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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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Bourgeois economists embraced labor theory of value (which originated from Adam Smith of all people) until Marx. Marx got bourgeois economists to abandon the labor theory of value because he took it to its logical conclusion of the proletarian revolution against the bourgeois class dictatorship. As a result of bourgeois economists abandoning the labor theory of value in order to distance mainstream economics from Marx's conclusions, they began to embrace quackery like marginal utility theory and the subjective theory of value.

Enough background. Let me get to the point. I was wondering, are there any books that outline the differences in vocabulary used by bourgeois economists before and after Marx? They did a lot of linguistic obfuscation after Marx, and it might be helpful to get a breakdown of that, because it's hard to even tell what bourgeois economists are talking about sometimes if your vocabulary is already marxist, or vice-versa, if you learned "mainstream" economics first and then pick up Marx 2nd. Sometimes it can feel like you're speaking two different languages, because the technical glossaries of each approach to viewing the world differ so much.

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Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way.


Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now).


I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions.

So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now.

If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site.

Thanks for your attention!
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II think I've fixed all the templates that were in the old files. The site is looking a lot better. I've brought back basically everything that I can without admin help (images, mainly).

I also wrote a couple articles. Read or edit them if you like:
And rewrote these ones:


Overhauled template on political economy:
Work in progress. Also working on a "Theories of imperialism" one


Images are fixed. Templates are almost all fixed, making it much easier to see which pages need to be improved:

I also plan on adding WikiProjects, which would allow groups of editors of a certain interest, like a tendency (MLs, anarchists) or topic (Hegel, imperialism) to work together. See for example:


Good to see that the images are fixed, it'd be a shame for my Great Plan article to be permanently referenceless.

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I do not care about the /leftypol/ mob, I love reading Thomas Piketty.
>waaaah but his solutions are too soft
Blah blah blah. The thick of his work, 99% of it, is just compiling and analyzing heaps of data, which he does exceptionally well.




It's not bad but I'm suspicious of anyone promoting him. I've seen techbro entrepreneurs have Picketty capital book on their desk.


I only read Capital in the 21st Century by him, and I don't think I even finished it because of the amount of repetition and redundancy.
Nonetheless, I agree he's an interesting and even useful writer. At the end of the day he's describing the gradual accumulation of wealth and growth of inequality through mainstream economics language, which might not be new to marxists but is an additional tool at the very least.
When talking to people who are not socialists about the world I often find myself referencing him, which is harder to do with marxian economists.


>The thick of his work, 99% of it, is just compiling and analyzing heaps of data
wow sounds dumb

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Less about the parasocial more about the signal.

Less about subscribing to an individual podcast, more about listening to individual episodes and why that episode resonated.

Not videos. This is a chance for you to educate yourself while working, doing chores or exercising.

I'll go first. This episode of politics theory other was memorable because it made me reconsider the intersection of sex and politics, particularly as someone who sees themselves as becoming more skeptical about everything surrounding idpol as it's being co-opted and weaponized.

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If we want educational Red Star Radio podcast is a really easy listen and ties longer periods of communist history together extremely well. If you're never going to do the reading listening to this will get you part of the way. Really good ukraine and dedollarization updates too.


Pascal Robert is back after illness on This Is Revolution podcast. The man is a majestic speaker, any episode he's on is worth listening to. Man also lives in florida and has a vitD deficiency smh. He should check out our hikkimori fitness thread


>educational podcast episodes


Fair point but you can't read while doing what's required daily to be an effective political citizen. Like some cardio and calisthenics, cooking healthy food, cleaning and chores. You do all that on the daily right anon?

Dr. Cornel West is interviewed by his peer (imo) Pascal Robert on the Mau Mau Hour on This Is Revolution podcast's last episode. Listening now and he's giving comprehensive answers. He's defining himself as a workers council communist not a revolutionary vanguard communist replying to the first question. Alright then.
Can post it here if it's not on the feed.


>dammit, we gave the DeSantis sonnenrad wunderkind the soapiest interview back in 21 and our patreon pigs are making enough noise about it to affect our real careers and standing
>what do
>sorry not sorry, we are non-confrontational by nature, the WORK that we do is hard and professional interpersonal relationships are also hard
>also I kind of like conservatives anyway
pretty educational

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I plan to study this book over the next week starting tonight or tomorrow. Anyone wanna join the read? I'd wager ~50-70pgs (relative to my edition) per day is doable for most. So my plan then roughly is
>The three forewords, Intro (What Herr Duhring promises) and then chapters III-VIII
>From VIII to XIV
>Second part Political Economy I-V
>Then V-X
>Third ch. Socialism in its entirety


If anyone thinks a study guide would be better so we follow some main points, be free to post it or suggest it. I'm not a fan of structured studies because then I read the text with a certain goal in mind instead of understanding it.
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V Time and Space
Duhring argues in favor of a immovable mover. Engels retorts. We can imagine infinity going one way, says Duhring, say from this point in time, but this point in time presupposes by the same logic an infinite sequence of past times before it. Such a thing is impossible, claims Duhring, hence there must've been some point when history started. Kant already showed that you can argue for and against the existence of infinity from 'common knowledge', so the contradiction within infinity as a concept is something that you have to accept, as Hegel does.

<"Thesis: The world has a beginning in time, and with regard to space is also limited. — Proof: For if it is assumed that the world has no beginning in time, then an eternity must have elapsed up to every given point of time, and consequently an infinite series of successive states of things must have passed away in the world. The infinity of a series, however, consists precisely in this, that it can never be completed by means of a successive synthesis. Hence an infinite elapsed series of worlds is impossible, and consequently a beginning of the world is a necessary condition of its existence. And this was the first thing to be proved. — With regard to the second, if the opposite is again assumed, then the world must be an infinite given total of co-existent things. Now we cannot conceive the dimensions of a quantum, which is not given within certain limits of an intuition, in any other way than by means of the synthesis of its parts, and can conceive the total of such a quantum only by means of a completed synthesis, or by the repeated addition of a unit to itself. Accordingly, to conceive the world, which fills all spaces, as a whole, the successive synthesis of the parts of an infinite world would have to be looked upon as completed; that is, an infinite time would have to be regarded as elapsed in the enumeration of all co-existing things. This is impossible. For this reason an infinite aggregate of actual things cannot be regarded as a given whole nor, therefore, as given at the same time. Hence it follows that the world is not infinite, as regards extension in space, but enclosed in limits. And this was the second thing" (to be proved).

>These sentences are copied word for word from a well-known book which first appeared in 1781 and is called: Kritik der reinen Vernunft by Immanuel Kant, where all and sunPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Thank you


VII&VIII Organic world
NB I think that every socialist should read some natural philosophy. Darwin is on my reading list since a long time, but I've been reading Haeckel recently now and then and it's a nice break to have philosophy grounded somewhat in science rather than v.v. i.e. becoming idealist. The modern theory of revolution differs from its Darwinian beginnings

Duhring straw-mans Darwin would be the summary of the chapter. I'm extracting some interesting paragraphs, not much else, since most of what Engels argues for is standard biology in most high schools already (I hope so…)

On Darwin:
>Darwin brought back from his scientific travels the view that plant and animal species are not constant but subject to variation. In order to follow up this idea after his return home there was no better field available than that of the breeding of animals and plants. It is precisely in this field that England is the classical country; the achievements of other countries, for example Germany, fall far short of what England has achieved in this connection. Moreover, most of these successes have been won during the last hundred years, so that there is very little difficulty in establishing the facts. Darwin found that this breeding produced artificially, among animals and plants of the same species, differences greater than those found in what are generally recognised as different species. Thus was established on the one hand the variability of species up to a certain point, and on the other the possibility of a common ancestry for organisms with different specific characteristics. Darwin then investigated whether there were not possibly causes in nature which — without the conscious intention of the breeder — would nevertheless in the long run produce in living organisms changes similar to those produced by artificial selection. He discovered these causes in the disproportion between the immense number of germs [in the original Keime, ‘shoots’,‘embryos’] created by nature and the insignificant number of organisms which actually attain maturity. But as each germ strives to develop, there necessarily arises a struggle for existence which manifests itself not merely as direct bodily combat or devouring, but also as a struggle for space and light, even in the case of plants. And it is evident that in this struggle those individuals which have some individual peculiarity,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


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That's a wrap for these chapters. Main points: contra metaphysics in natural sciences and mathematics. Introduction deals with a materialistic and historic analysis of development of scientific socialism. I know I write comments or expositions rarely but this is mostly because the work is quite understandable. I only sometimes write what I had thought during the time of reading. Paragraphs are quoted because they have to be. Alright see you tomorrow hopefully! Good night anons.


Tankyoo :)

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Let's have a thread about chemistry. I can't be the only amateur chemist on here. To please the mods, everything in here is purely academic. Check local laws before you embark on your projects. And before you do anything, make sure you have appropriate safety equipment. Think about the worst thing that could happen to your reaction, because chances are it will. Don't be stupid.

https://www.sciencemadness.org/ The go-to site for amateur chemists
Wiki: http://www.sciencemadness.org/smwiki/index.php/Main_Page
Forums, require email registration: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/

Archive.org has plenty of old chemistry textbooks. The most useful ones for me are those meant to teach youngsters from the early 1900's.

NurdRage, the OG channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/NurdRage
NileRed, the internet's premier piss chemist: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRedNile
NileBlue, secondary channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1D3yD4wlPMico0dss264XA
Explosions&Fire, energetic materials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVovvq34gd0ps5cVYNZrc7A
Extractions&Ire, secondary channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvFApMFo_AafXbHRyEJefjA
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Yeah I'm familiar with those clandestine routes from these venerable old sites, but even those are still way too intimidating to someone without any practical experience like me – way too many steps, equipment and substances. So I aimed to find or imagine protocols as bare-bones and layman-friendly as humanly possible. Thus the reduction above, requiring just zinc dust, vinegar, chemical ferment, open vessels and a common stirrer.


its pregnant mare urine you need, it would be an inhumane and unfulfilling job, the same as modern dairy farming. You'd have to get your piss horse impregnated, do something with the foal when it's born, repeat


pls respond

at least to this bit here:
>In a more abstract example, suppose that salts AB, CD and AD are all water-soluble but CB isn't; would simply mixing AB and CD in water make CB crash out?


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>suppose that salts AB, CD and AD are all water-soluble but CB isn't; would simply mixing AB and CD in water make CB crash out?
probably, unless there's something preventing it like high temperature or unsuitable pH. see for example https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/General_Chemistry/General_Chemistry_Supplement_(Eames)/Chemical_Reactions_and_Interactions/Solubility_and_Precipitation
in fact precipitating by adding a second salt is a common way to purify certain salts and elements, especially precious metals. adding sodium metabisulfite to aqua regia with dissolved gold will cause elemental gold to precipitate rather than any salt. precipitating solver chloride is also a common thing, like getting rid of silver from gold
>it would be an inhumane and unfulfilling job
never. a dedicated piss chemist would ensure the source of their piss is happy and well taken care of
>You'd have to get your piss horse impregnated


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practical ways of making glacial AcOH would be useful for this, as it is a controlled substance I think. I can get 60% AcOH at a food wholesaler, but getting rid of the remaining water is not practical using distillation. maybe molecular sieves? would be slow..
where do you get the precursor?
based indian man shows how to do things yet again

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I'm searching for good(!) resources on how to outreach, recruit, organize people.
Looking for modern material i.e. "Social Media" and "Youtube" should be part of that.
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>tbh tho you are best off joining an effective org and learning through doing rather than reading theory
It is actually possible to do both. It is important that as communists that we make full use of democratic centralism as a method for which we make decisions concerning how we orient ourselves toward the struggle. Democratic centralism, compared to the so-called principle of "horizontalist concensus," enables the most organizationally advanced section of our class, in terms of development, to act quickly, to be able to turn on a dime and take off, starting off in strategized basegroups, and with clear vision of the objectives, and with coherent and developed understanding of the actuality of revolution, set out to intervene in the authentic struggles by the people, amidst the cascade of crises under this murderous system, the current material stage of imperialist capitalism. Our understanding of organization is that in order to that we may help make revolution, alongside the masses, providing them a platform from which they can act in their authentic crises, is that we have to be highly organized and purposeful: that there is absolutely a need for democratic decision making, and it must be a centralized fashion, where we have a debate within a set time frame, we have that necessary discussion time, and then we act, and do what the majority of us said we should do, and orient ourselves to unity of action, even if we might disagree.



These do about as much relevant stuff as the DSA
There's no real party organization for workers in the US or really anywhere except for tentatively voting for established libleft parties, in this case the Democrats

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If you know French or German, please contribute a chapter to /leftypol/'s first crowdsourced translation project! This project started on >>691.

The book is Karl Kautsky's history of the French Revolution, originally published as Die Klassengegensätze im Zeitalter der Französischen Revolution in 1889. Coming from the "Pope of Marxism", as Kautsky was then known, this text likely had an immense influence on Lenin and other revolutionaries of his day. It was approved by Engels himself, and may have been foundational in establishing the Marxist theory of bourgeois revolution, yet it has never been translated into English. The original German is available here: https://www.marxists.org/deutsch/archiv/kautsky/1908/frev/index.html and an old French translation is available here: https://www.marxists.org/francais/kautsky/works/1889/00/antagonismes-table.htm

What makes this work especially good for us to translate is that it's relatively short - just around 60 pages in total, divided into 10 chapters. With each chapter being 5-7 pages each, it is conceivable to translate a chapter in one day's volunteer work. Comrade Akko has already translated the preface, and is working on chapter 1. That leaves 9 chapters to complete:

Preface: Complete!
Chapter 1: Second draft complete (French)
Chapter 2: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 3: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 4: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 5: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading complete (English)
Chapter 6: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 7: Draft complete (French) - Proofreading in progress (English) - Proofreader needed
Chapter 8: Complete! (Copyrighted work, permission secured)
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no, the book Kobzar


Oh. I didn't hear anything about that.


This children's cartoon is literally how grown ass adults in Yurop and Murica actually see this crisis.


kiddie things for infantile people


Anyone have Russian translations they need?

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Wanted to make a theology general to discuss whatever questions or topics about religion people here may have. I thought about posting this in /siberia/ but I rather have a higher quality discussion tbh, and since /edu/ has much less traffic I think a thread about theology and religion in general would work better than a specific topic about particular denominations and such. So to start, something I had been wondering for a while, in buddhist theology when you die you reincarnate and depending on your karma you'll either be reborn into a human or an animal. So if you are reborn into an animal, after this life what would determine what you reincarnate into? Does buddhism have a way to judge animals? Do you reincarnate into a human by default after living as an animal and just keep the cycle going until you achieve enlightenment? If anyone knows I'd really appreciate it.
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>>10447 (me)
>>10498 (me)
And this on Islam.


that Yijie Tang book is really good, thanks for that

(it goes too soft on pomo tho)


Which has more adherents, traditionalist catholicism or liberation theology? Does it differ in Europe vs LatAm? Why/how?


Looking for good books on atheism


What's some good resources for getting into witchcraft, particularly Wicca, proper? Like I understand the basics sort of, but I'd like to develop an understanding of it that isn't just scrapped together from youtube videos.

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Greetings, comrades.

Some of you may already be aware of our work. We began our project since September 2020, we are almost 3 years old, and we've been expanding our work since then. As a celebration of ProleWiki, we are beginning a recruitment campaign to attract Marxists-Leninists interested in improving our work.

We have enough money to keep us going for two more years, so we're not currently interested in donations. What we really want is people who study Marxism-Leninism and are interested in making their knowledge more accessible to the general public.

The current articles available is a reflection of our current set of editors' knowledge. It is bound to improve over time while we internally debate about many subjects and increase in number of editors. We currently have editors from all over the world, United States, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Denmark, Germany, and many other countries.

If you see anything wrong with our articles, the best thing you can do is join us so you can correct them. What are you waiting for? Join us!

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>The final implication of the argument is that this creates a labor aristocracy out of high paid workers in the 1st world that compromises with the capitalist class to extrapolate more value than they produce (reaping the benefits of the exploitation of others, especially those of the 3rd world). This labor aristocracy is marked by the higher end of middle class and up workers within a given first world country.
That's the point of the article. They should probably put it at the top, remove all the algebra, and rename the article. Hey, maybe I should be the main editor? 🤔


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The mental model in the prolewiki article about unequal exchange is that profit margins are just something the capitalist slaps on top of costs, which is the opposite of what Marx argued. See pic.


I recommend that for Articles e.g. the one on Unequal Exchange.

Add a section of Key Theorists or Authors or Related peoples, key and relevant works in a further reading list.


They could also have a list of critics and put Marx in there.


Some competition or even source for copypaste for you


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