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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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the way i explain the labor to people is very simple. I cut straight to the chase.

I say these things, usually not all at once. I let people chew on each one:

> 1 If you’re a boss, and you own a business, you have to pay the worker less than their work is worth.

> 2 If you pay them exactly what their work is worth, you don’t make any money, your business won’t grow, and you’ll get bought out by some asshole who pays workers less.
> 3 If you pay a worker more than their work is worth, you’re losing money, your business will shrink, and you’ll go out of business.
> 4 the problem is the system, because the way the system is set up, workers have to beg for a job from people who own the places we work at, and the bosses only give the job to the lowest bidder, the people willing to do the most in exchange for the least in return.
> 5 everybody who can't get a job has to keep looking for a job until they get so desperate they start selling themselves for less and less
> 6 even with how little they pay us they think it's too much. so they constantly look for ways to make more money and pay less money.
> 7 they send our jobs overseas to where the labor is cheaper, and they want us to blame the people overseas even though they're the ones sending the jobs off and calling themselves job creators while they do it
> 8 they hire a bunch of overeducated nerds to make machines and programs to do our jobs for us, so they can fire us, and then they take credit for what those nerds make
> 9 they give the jobs to people who just got here and are usually running away from some fucked up shit like war and are therefore more desperate than even the average schmuck here is
> 10 despite all this shit they do to get rid of us or make us work for less money, they still need to sell the stuff they make, and if everyone's too poor to buy that shit, then they gotta lower the price
> 11 the faster they make stuff, the cheaper that stuff is because less work goes into makin it, and money is just a piece of paper that says some work got done
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>>14135
truth nuke of unimaginable magnitude and potence

sorry leftoids, the workers WILL read the ruthless critique and they WILL agree.

>>14135
Literacy doesn't mean voracious reading.

>>19045
This is the only real good post on here.
Most talks about a glorious leftist revolution in the twenty first century is a farce.
At best it's lib left bs.
At worst it's just right wing rehash.

>>14136
>Illiteracy is on the rise in the US and child labor has returned. This isn't because workers are getting dumber, but because the bourgeoisie are getting more ruthless.

I have yet to see where child labor is being a prominent return with exceptions of some outlier factory using orphans.

Also, I find it funny how people are complaining about illiteracy in a time where everyone makes and reads text messages and/or essay posts.
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>>19918
>>19045
the only two replies ITT worth reading

>>22824
>So I tell all of you: Dumb it all down, simplify then make it simpler. Make it spread.

yes. an introductory comment on simplification in general. Not many people know that there is a primary synopsis of Capital, written by Engels himself (1868):
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/1868-syn/
Marx also makes early comment as to the serialisation of Capital by French editors in the 1872 preface:
<I applaud your idea of publishing the translation of “Das Kapital” as a serial. In this form the book will be more accessible to the working class, a consideration which to me outweighs everything else.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p2.htm
Thus, Marx clearly cared for simple presentation and exposition, despite his verbose style, as he admits of in the beginning of the 1873 preface.

Beginning with Carlo's Capital, we have a note upon translation, which by this time, Capital was limited to the German, Russian and French, with the first English edition being published in 1886. Marx died 3 years earlier. Carlo also gives a tragic fact that by this time (1878), Marx had failed to publish Capital Vol. 2 (1885), despite already having the groundwork and notes for Capital, cumulatively from the period of 1857-67. Of course, Engels only published the unfinished manuscript of Capital Vol. 3 in 1894, 11 years after Marx's death, and 1 year before his own demise. The unpublished "theories of surplus value" was also only brought into completion by Kautsky around 1910, and so it took over 40 years to convert Marx's notes into his "Critique of Political Economy" series (talk about procrastinating!). Many of the secondary and tertiary texts of Marx were also only published in the 20th century, largely through the USSR, by "progress publishers" (1931-). Carlo writes:
<Meanwhile Marx can fulfill his promise, giving us the second volume of Capital, which will deal with The Process of Circulation of Capital (book II), and with The Process of Capitalist Production as a Whole (book III), and the fourth and fiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>19918
Nowadays, students are swamped with more work than minimum wage employees.
Having to finish a bunch of assignments and then go to work?



 

Hello comrades. I have doubts about materialism since the philosophical part of Marxism isn't my strength, but I want to be able to understand it better since materialism is the foundation of marxist theory and the communist movement.
I've had arguments in the past with people who claim that modern science doesn't prove materialism or that materialism cannot explain things like the origin of the universe or quantum mechanics. Well, where do I begin with this? Is materialism the truth? The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right? How do I prove this then? Maybe one of you STEMlords around here can help me out with this. Any resources on this is appreciated.
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>>20840
Why?

Have we discovered a "scientific value" of commodity? Ten yards of linen gets you ten scientifics. Balderdash !



>>1231
keep in mind that einstein was a socialist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8lQKVcbOs

>The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right?
Marx was not a "materialist", he was a naturalist. The only materialist assumption he made was in his critique of Hegel; that the mind proceeds material processes, and so the development of history is really just the advancement of material conditions, which he made equivalent to the development of commodity production. This he called "the materialist concept of history" (e.g. historical materialism). Dialectical materialism is a later invention by Engels.

On materialism, it is a false starter, since it posits that all things are made of a single substance, which in itself is no-thing, and so nothing actually exists, not even matter. The issue is not just ontological, but epistemological, where if the only way to know that materialism is true is a priori reasoning, then you become a rationalist, and thus an implicit idealist, by placing knowledge in the mind alone. Marx was careful to never subscribe to any positive (e.g. abstract) philosophy.



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There are infinite natural numbers. You can take each of those natural numbers and multiply them by 2 and get a new infinite amount of natural numbers. You can repeat this ad infinitum. You can do the same thing with 3,4,5 etc. on any of The above ad infinitum. and exponentation, tetration, etc. on any of the above ad infinitum.

What is tetration? Never heard of it…

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Noooo but my heckin idealist Cantor said natural number infinity is smaller than real number infinity



 

What awaits the future? Why is college still so popular now?

The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.
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>>25894
liberal take

>>25876
>What awaits the future?

AGI Takes all jobs.
Humans get welfare or starvation.
Agent swarms do what humans would have done.
Jobs that can't be automated get flooded with Masters Degree Applicants.
Laws get made to license AI into specific roles like Law and Medicine.
Tasks get automated one by one until no one is left.
Humanoid Robots invade manual labor.

What is the leftypol take on this book? It's main argument is that college/university is basically just a big hazing ritual for employment, and doesn't actually impart much useful, human capital-increasing knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_Against_Education

>>25887
Very true.

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>>25930
its been done better



 

This thread is for discussing the psychology of right wing politics eg for example why men are more likely to be right wing than women on average perspectives are welcomed including non-leftist perspectives
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>>25919
Sources on what?

>>25920
The two articles where you got your two screenshots from

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>>25921
Pew Research Center:
<Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

Variability Hypothesis:
<The variability hypothesis, also known as the greater male variability hypothesis, is the hypothesis that human males generally display greater variability in traits than human females do [including cognition].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis

Supporting Article 1:
<In the majority of countries, male variability is higher than female variability in both reading and math.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1162573

Supporting Article 2:
<Males are more variable on most measures of quantitative and visuospatial ability, which necessarily results in more males at both high- and low-ability extremes
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In addition to the raised points on autism score, big 5 personality traits have good correlations: low openness, mid-high conscientiousness (rule following), low agreeableness, generally low neuroticism = rightoid traits, opposite profile = leftist traits.

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>>25923
Most people are also moderate in their personality, so don't fall into extremism



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I'm getting an associates at a community college since it's cheaper to do general education courses here than at a university. I want to major in a math subject for my bachelors but am pretty bad at math.
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seems I'm a few weeks late as per usual with /leftypol/'s current activity, but as an actual PhD(c) applied math I'm compelled to post anyway. also the two serious recs here are hilariously bad or unfit

I would brush up on basic knowledge of algebra and trigonometry/geometry, basically HS math or what you might see as "pre-calculus" or "pre-algebra" in college syllabi. Then if you're majoring in a math-heavy subject you'll want to learn calculus, linear algebra, maybe discrete math, maybe probability and statistics.

Regarding sources I'll recommend Paul's Online Math Notes and Prof. Leonard's lectures:
https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorLeonard/courses
Another decent resource for very basic stuff is Khan Academy if you like their format. Also check out the OSSU repo, which is mostly a list of links to relevant online courses: https://github.com/ossu/math

>>25852
>I want to major in a math subject for my bachelors
What motivates you about math? Do you specifically want to major in math (or applied math) or do you mean another STEM major, perhaps CS or some kind of engineering?

>>25875
>and you're contributing to propping up capitalism anyway
lol. lmao

>>25893
academic faggot, incompatible with marxism
neck yourself

>>25900
Sorry chud but in this house we believe in the hammer, the sickle and the brush

>>25902
I.e. in the house of liberal revisionism we pretend to embrace Marx while spewing nonsense which is directly antithetical to his ideology and personal views.

>>25909
only because (you) post here



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Solomon on Sheba: Three ringed cycle; Jesse, David, Solomon; building on lethal severity, per youngest child.

Cicero on Pilate: Born of a midget, through Samhain; the Queen of all of Siberia, the marijuana trade in Druid soldier swordsmen; either man or woman, heterosexual otherwise gay; removed of facial recognition by blade, a "jude".

Birds of Paradise: Entire code of Holy Roman Empire, as unmutable per demanded of tradition; code of falsehood taught, as having disbelieved entire lesson, as against term of linguistics as secondary; the homosexual officer's code, a Marine Corps.

Robert the Bruce: The marijuana trade to famous police, authors, and politicians; without sex mentioned or gathered, per the penalty as transexuality, happening automatically and inverting or reverting literature pledged; the Shakespeare Groundlings, the Bourgeoise; anyone refusing, as queer, through political following; molesting own children through public confession, "arts", not "theater".

Skorzene: The long hair soldier, a hippie; understanding exactly what music means, but refusing to listen to narrow term; otherwise, marching band music rejected, the queer and common police adjutant as refused and nullified; any given quadrant of war, since commodities, the common grower's crop per luxury outside of nourishment; the big bowel movement.

Serbic Hun: The Madisons, through the Champlains; the sacrifice to country, as having practice public job, a media role and a combined paycheque, with private career, assassin; family patronizing, as hero in text, combined with refusal of Vikings; the old enemy, the queer cripple, worshipped by men outside of their own animus, their sens of male; Jung reversing animus, manhood, and anima, womanhood, as a faggot; who God Hates, for Hating Themselves; a muscle builder, a homosexual eunech by own hand.

Moved to >>>/siberia/805339.



 

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body too short or something



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Are there any modern-day Althusserians or Marxists who still uphold Althusser?

I know Badiou is sort of one but are there others?

I fucking hate humanists and socdems.

>>25891
zizek



 

I convinced a quite a big amount of Muslim friends and even Elder Muslim folks in my community that Capitalism is Haram with one simple argument: Usury is a sin under the the rule of "Riba" being Haram, literally meaning "infinite" or "excess" in Arabic, due to financial exploitation and taking advantage of the person.

Simple

>Infinite growth is a sin requires financial exploitation, and making money off of being idle

>Capitalism's main ethos is infinite profit extraction
>They connect the dots

This opens them up to other arguments like "Infinite growth is impossible on a planet with finite resources" and other things like excess, indulgence and things Capitalists encourage like gambling being a sin (Prediction markets are awful)

I then explain it's like pork, you can eat pork or drink alcohol if you need to if there is nothing else to eat or you need to numb pain under the Islamic law of Rukhsah (Exemptions out of health or other necessities) and we are forced to participate in it order to survive

This easily convinces a lot of Muslims, even ones I meet in the global south who are otherwise very conservative and even if I can't make them fully woke or whatever it's good to have people wake up to some injustice at least. Class interests come first

The main thing I'm asking is if anyone knows any similar works on Socialism from an Islamic perspective using this same logic or at least pre-modern Islamic works that meet the base principles of socialism and wants to discuss this further
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the key is to not simply be against usury, but also against profit, rent, and wages. Communism seeks to abolish the wages system. profit, interest, rent, and wages are all part of the system of exploitation.

>>25821
depends on the kind of education

>>25823
Education in general

>>25821
Western style higher education, especially STEM fields, embody the epistemology and ideology of secularism and capitalism. You'll notice that most chuds and neo stalinists are people from STEM backgrounds i.e. people who believe we can rationally predict and plan all human affairs with statistics, the scientific method etc.

>>25873
Secular here is relative.
They’re still motivated by some “higher power/higher calling”



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