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precapitalist modes of production general /pcmop/ Anonymous 05/28/21 (Fri) 17:56:18 No.5843 [Reply]

Most Marxists, for obvious reasons, are primarily concerned with the analysis of the capitalist mode of production, this causes many marxists (including myself) to have a poor or just a very basic understanding of pre-capitalist modes of production.
An in-depth understanding of these modes of production is, however, essential for reasonable historical materialist analysis.
Post videos, books, articles and so on for education on this topic.

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Anonymous 05/28/21 (Fri) 18:30:29 No.5845

Apparently the simplified serf and Lord dichotomy didn't stay the same throughout the middle ages, but developed. In the high middle ages the serf was bonded to the lord full stop but as we get to the late middle ages apparently it apparently became something of a social contract between the lord and peasant/serf, that could be negotiated.

Anonymous 05/28/21 (Fri) 19:28:55 No.5846

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this is a great book and really explains Marxist themes lucidly.

Haven't been able to find a pdf though

Anonymous 05/30/21 (Sun) 16:26:17 No.5857

>>5846
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=CB6553D818BE1F07A534A3A88E8B0DBA

Here is the link. Dude, just uhh, use libgen.is — at least for the anglo literature it is vast and very accomodating. I use other sources for literature in my language, but libgen should suffice for most things.

Also archive.org is great for searching things from last past century, old books et cettera.

Anonymous 06/02/21 (Wed) 22:39:54 No.5947

File: 1622673593583-0.pdf (26.31 MB, 212x300, (Sather Classical Lectures….pdf)

File: 1622673593583-1.pdf (22.12 MB, 212x300, Geoffrey E. Maurice Ste. C….pdf)

Anonymous 06/02/21 (Wed) 22:45:17 No.5948

I find it interesting that ancient societies ran on debt allocation, so much so that debt abolition was an actually platform politicians would campaign on.

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Roman Empire Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 16:11:08 No.5935 [Reply]

Is there a book I can read on the economy of the Roman Empire and the social classes of the time? Anything that goes into deep analysis or extensive stuff.

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Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 17:31:56 No.5938

>>5937
>tell me the facts
<no not those facts
I haven't read that work but the word proletarian is literally Latin. Cockshott (HTWW) also mentions small scale wage labor in ancient polities.

Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 22:36:23 No.5940

>>5937
>weird shit like claiming there were capitalists and proletarians in that time.
of course there were proletarians and capitalists in ancient rome.
the word proletariat is literally the latin term for the social class of landless and propertyless wage-dependent but not enslaved citizens in the city-state, who were not subject to taxation and military service.
and capital is also nothing new read on the subject of Handelskapital (trade capital) das kapital volume 2 and 3.
trading capital is an ancient thing how is it possible that a marxist does not know this?

Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 22:44:33 No.5942

>>5935
idk pick a roman historian

Anonymous 06/02/21 (Wed) 02:47:44 No.5943

>>5940
How come marx says there were no capitalists or proletarians as we know them today?

Anonymous 06/02/21 (Wed) 16:37:01 No.5946

>The proletarii constituted a social class of Roman citizens who owned little or no property. The name presumably originated with the census, which Roman authorities conducted every five years to produce a register of citizens and their property, which determined their military duties and voting privileges. Those who owned 11,000 assēs or less fell below the lowest category for military service, and their children—prōlēs (offspring)—were listed instead of property; hence the name proletarius (producer of offspring). Roman citizen-soldiers paid for their own horses and arms, and fought without payment for the commonwealth, but the only military contribution of a proletarius was his children, the future Roman citizens who could colonize conquered territories. Officially, propertyless citizens were called capite censi because they were "persons registered not as to their property…but simply as to their existence as living individuals, primarily as heads (caput) of a family."
>t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat

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Learning dialectical thinking Comrade 12/21/20 (Mon) 05:20:29 No.906 [Reply]

I'm trying to learn and understand dialectics, but I think getting some direction for this would be helpful.

Which works should I read to understand dialectical (Hegelian, materialist) thinking and in what order?

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Anonymous 05/07/21 (Fri) 21:20:28 No.5609

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>>906
>Which works should I read to understand dialectical
this is a pretty good introduction
https://dashthered.medium.com/marxism-for-normal-people-dialectical-materialism-deb5034685a4

Anonymous 05/31/21 (Mon) 19:13:19 No.5920

HEGEL JUST BEEN DEBUNKED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4R0gX7g3w

Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 06:31:20 No.5924

>>5920
Wtf is this channel?

Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 06:34:35 No.5925

>>5924
long winded rightoid garbage

Anonymous 06/01/21 (Tue) 06:55:10 No.5926

>>5920
>4 hours
I think I'll pass, thanks. lol

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Prussian Language Luge Ushqimi 12/21/20 (Mon) 05:20:38 No.1000 [Reply]

So I wrote a pdf, on the reconstructed language of old Prussian. This language is actually going through a revival, from what I could gather. Since last year I found a YouTube channel where a family from Lithuania speak this language in a daily basis, and even their daughters speak it. So I got the dictionary of the language, read some posts on their facebook page, and listened to their speech. This pdf is mostly an overview of the language, I am not a linguistic or anything like that, I am just a random guy who likes languages.

So I wanted to post it somewhere, and I decided to post it here first, I think that there are some people here that would be interested in this.

The YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqhLH_SLh3apNZjSruEXZMg

The dictionary
https://wirdeins.twanksta.org/

A site with good resources
https://bila.twanksta.org/

Anonymous 05/29/21 (Sat) 04:13:46 No.5848

bump, that's impressive

Anonymous 05/31/21 (Mon) 01:39:24 No.5916

bump!

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Anonymous 05/29/21 (Sat) 18:18:29 No.5849 [Reply]

anyone here ever read gentile ? whats his writings like, is there any merit to what he has to say as well as any relevant criticism of capitalism or socialist movements ?

Anonymous 05/30/21 (Sun) 07:13:26 No.5856

It's pretty underwhelming imo. If you want to understand the Ideology and movement, that was 20th century fascism then you have to read him atleast once, but there are more fascinating writers under that tent tbh

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Anonymous 02/21/21 (Sun) 00:31:08 No.5028 [Reply]

Thread for PDFs related to the 'Anti-Anglo reading group - left deviation'

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Anonymous 05/29/21 (Sat) 20:51:31 No.5850

File: 1622321488490.pdf (13.49 MB, 193x300, !Kawashima, Schäfer, & St….pdf)

!Kawashima, Schafer, & Stolz (eds) – Tosaka Jun. A Critical Reader (Cornell University East Asia Program. Cornell East Asia Series 168, 2013)

Anonymous 05/29/21 (Sat) 22:58:53 No.5852

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Rey, Michel – Parisian Homosexuals Create a Lifestyle, 1700-1750: The Police Archives

Anonymous 05/30/21 (Sun) 00:20:58 No.5853

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File: 1622334055609-1.pdf (558.2 KB, 67x118, La literatura nazi en Amer….pdf)

Bolaño novels in Spanish

Anonymous 05/30/21 (Sun) 00:43:13 No.5854

File: 1622335392859.pdf (41.34 MB, 195x300, 1978 Intellectual & Manual….pdf)

Sohn-Rethel, Alfred. « Intellectual & Manual Labour. A Critique of Epistemology » (Macmillan; Critical Social Studies, 1978)
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If anyone has the new edition, Historical Materialism Series 224 (Brill: 2020), a link or a file would be greatly

Anonymous 05/30/21 (Sun) 00:48:59 No.5855

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Whitehead, Alfred North. 1925. « Science & the Modern World » (Macmillan)

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Samurai thread Anonymous 12/21/20 (Mon) 05:22:08 No.1855 [Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Was the Meiji restoration and "restoring power to the emperor" a good or bad thing in 18th century Japan for the peasants? It marked the upper class revolution that caused the samurai feudal system to transition into a capitalist system. (Which ultimately turned into a racist imperialist empire that tried to invade and oppress all of its neighbors in Asia in a sort of fascist system, and as Japan lost the war the people starved and suffered greatly.)

I just found this photograph btw. Samurai didn't look nearly as impressive as I thought they would, and that hairdo is "objectively ugly."

There were a lot of peasant revolutions/movements that tried to go against the samurai but they all ultimately failed so no one except historians talk about them. Unfortunately too, the people who study Japanese history appear to be mostly weebs who romanticize the samurai so much that you never get to hear about the peasents' movements.

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Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 15:29:36 No.5809

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>>1948
can I get a bump on this?

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 15:42:30 No.5810

>>1855
Japan was a hyper feudalist society rivalling that of europe, the country was mostly subdued and revaltively peaceful so the warrior-aristocrat caste fell into irrelevancy and the petite-booj flourished which allowed it to transitition so well into capitalism but since petit-booj class intetest is conservative in the face of imperialism fascism would be its last stand in vain.

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 17:06:41 No.5811

I don't know how accurate the game "Ghost of Tsushima" is in portraying feudal Japan, but one thing they game highlights at the end is how the "cod of honor" of the samurai was a covert way for cementing the class rule of the Shogun. The MC gets sperged on by the Samurai throughout the game for not only being "without honor" but also for teaching the peasants to fight themselves and resist their "leaders". I can imagine this to have happened in a similiar fashion back then tbh

7ko 05/25/21 (Tue) 11:15:41 No.5828

How bourgeois, or if not then "feudal remnant", was the Meiji Restoration anyways?
Didn't much of the caste of samurai get relegated to more typical "bourgeois" positions, deprived of feudal privileges, with only a superficial exaltation of their status so as to promote the bushido militarist stuff?
Are there any good books on this era about that?

Anonymous 05/25/21 (Tue) 18:57:12 No.5835

>>5828
It's not solely on this era, but Pierre François Souyri did a good job at explaining the overall path to modernity of Japan. I'm not sure if his books are translated in english tho.

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Unfounded Axioms in Marxism Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 19:14:00 No.5817 [Reply]

So, what I hear from from liberals, reactonaries but also some communists, is that a lot of Marx's concepts and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics) or based on his own morality. One of these categories disputed by liberal "intellectuals" is surplus value or profit in their view. They argue, that it only exists as an entity if you accept Marx's epistemology. Is it true?
This shouldn't be only about surplus value but about whatever seems to fullfill the premise of being an unsupported claim in Marx's works. Communists like Althusser insist that there are remnants of Hegelian Idealism in Marx that make some of his claims unscientific. Is there truth to that too?
>posting in /edu/ since I hope to get some good answers in this thread

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 21:59:06 No.5819

How is surplus value a Marxian category? It’s a name Marx made for something that is part of liberal categories. Marx only looked to understand the relation in those categories.

OP 05/25/21 (Tue) 06:36:18 No.5823

>>5819
I said that a lot is based on prior assumptions. See:
>and categories are not empirically proven and just based on prior assumptions Marx makes(ie Dialectics)
This includes the political economy of Smith and Ricardo too. Now that bourgeois economics has moved away from the classicals, the question arises by liberals, if Marx's work can only work nowadays if you accept the categories of classical political economy. We can see that it is not true for the ltv since people like cockshott proved it empirically. Surplus value though…seems not to have been proven

Anonymous 05/25/21 (Tue) 12:32:42 No.5829

This is true for every theory. Atom is just a theory backed by copious data and evidence. You’re free to come up with an alternative hypothesis.
Just know that Neoclassical economics doesn’t have any more predictive power and the Post Keynesian prove this

Anonymous 05/25/21 (Tue) 18:40:05 No.5834

>>5823
Surplus is given value only by competition but surplus in general just means above what is necessary to maintain a group. If 5 people produce every day enough to produce all 5 of them every single day then they do not produce surplus. Now if 5 people produce double what they produced before then now they are producing a surplus. This would double what they needed to subsist. That's all surplus is. Surplus value is a category denoting s phenomena in modern political economy. The surplus value is only given value in comparison to other values in exchange, that is, commodity production. Surplus value has only been possible ever since the realization of generalized commodity production, to be distinct from former commodity production when someone would only barter or trade their surpluses. Generalized commodity production is what gives value it's value, alongside competition of course.

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/posadism/ Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 15:26:30 No.5808 [Reply]

/posadism/ general

Any posadist literature in english? I wanna see if there is any method to his madness or is it just shizo rambling.

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Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 17:42:21 No.5813

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>>5812 (me)
there is also a revleft episode with the author.

https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/posadism

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 17:55:06 No.5815

>>5812
Is there an epub of this?

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 17:55:10 No.5816

General /ayyyylmao/ thread? Anyone have any suggestions for books on the trans-dimensional theories? I've read Valleé and liked it but this was years ago and he never really articulated a theory.

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 21:27:53 No.5818

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Anonymous 05/25/21 (Tue) 02:30:15 No.5820

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Private property Anonymous 05/23/21 (Sun) 21:48:08 No.5798 [Reply]

I want to talk about private property, it’s original inspiration to according to modern private property, and it’s development as private property in bourgeois society.

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Anonymous 05/23/21 (Sun) 22:01:52 No.5800

>>5799
I didn’t say I want reading materia, I want to discuss.

Anonymous 05/23/21 (Sun) 22:08:54 No.5801

>>5800
But you didn't ask a question or anything. The clip is related to where private property comes from historically. Somebody could write what Mark Blyth said as a post but it would be the same thing. What's there to discuss exactly? The mercantile classes rose up against the nobility and took the state, then created private property as the means to make the commoners work for them as proles instead of peasants. That's the quick rundown version.

Anonymous 05/23/21 (Sun) 22:29:01 No.5802

>>5801
Wasn’t private property a kind of marriage of the old Roman private property law and the landed property laws of the feudal times?

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 08:02:54 No.5804

What do we call the property of the peasants, small landowners who were expropriated with the rise of capital?

Anonymous 05/24/21 (Mon) 13:58:58 No.5806

>>5804
We have to look at a feudal legal code to know that tbh.

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