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Thread for History of Ancient China up until the end of the Chinese Empire
Discuss History, Mythology, Archeology, Socio-Economics, Politics and Culture of Ancient China. This includes Tibet, Korea and Mongolia.
Leftypedia >>3780 requires an article on Ancient China, all that is covered is the current People's Republic

Important Topics
>Mythology and Legends and their Modern Cultural Impacts
A society that arose at the beginning of human civilization, China's culture is enormous and diverse. Legends and mythology of China such as Fa Mulan and Journey to the West are just prominent examples of legends that influenced others across the globe. Recommend and discuss literature or myths on this.

>Eastern Philosophy, Culture and Religion

The East, especially China developed several unique religions and philosophies utterly separate from the primarily Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian philosophies of Western and Central Europe as well as the Middle East. The 3 primary Chinese philosophies are Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism. Discuss the merits of these.

>Military Conflicts and Everyday Life in Ancient China

Society in China developed on its own and so it had much different ways of life. China is also known for having massive conflicts, some of the first to have millions of men fight at a time. China is known for it's generals such as author of "The Art of War"* Sun Tzu, Han Xing and CaoCao.
*https://sites.ualberta.ca/~enoch/Readings/The_Art_Of_War.pdf

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>>22079
>episode 2 (prehistory of china)
>recounts creation myth where nobles were molded carefully by hand first and then everyone else was made all together as a rush job
>implies or directly states throughout, in contradiction with now well-supported scientific consensus, that every "stage" of human evolution happened in China, independent of Africa, rather than various hominin species dispersing from Africa throughout human evolution
>implies our pre-hominin ape ancestors lived in China
>claims that Chinese people can trace their ancestry back 2 million years to hominins in China (Wushan "Man")
>says verbatim "Peking Man, ancestor of the Chinese"
>claims among the "ancestors of the Chinese" were the first people to use fire, before any other humans
>gives only a throwaway line at the end about this ancient line interbreeding with the out-of-Africa Homo sapiens who came later
Gotta be honest, I was not prepared for this level of pseudoscientific nationalist mythmaking for something produced this century by the Chinese government.

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>that one time a spanish habsburgo emperor wrote in his plan to conquer the chinese empire was to "fuck and outbreed them out of existence with our Spanish, Filipino and Japanese subjects"
>It was actually possible given that the Ming were incompetent and they got rekt by the Manchu with the last Ming emperor hanging himself because he got duped into executing their best general
Even the ~100 million population wouldn't be an issue given South America;
>Our new study clarifies the size of pre-Columbian populations and their impact on their environment. By combining all published estimates from populations throughout the Americas, we find a probable Indigenous population of 60 million in 1492.

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yeah its a little wild

>>22098
That's gonna be a yikes from me dog

Great!



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I'm charismatic and already communist, how can I help with what you're trying to do here? You all seem kind of frustrated in your interactions with each other. What needs to change?

What are you talking about? Explain please

>>24737
>You all seem kind of frustrated in your interactions with each other. What needs to change?
nothing, the point of a political imageboard is frustrating each other with different outlooks

>>24739
Does this lead to good results? Or is the hope that it creates the sort of people who bring good results?

>>24737
You know what? I stumbled upon this board when it was on 8chan back in 2016 - my god, it's already been a decade… - and I started posting in 2018. Every once in a while I took a break, sometimes even for months and I guess I missed out on some big drama and technical debacles a few times. But I've never, ever thought about meeting anyone or trying to organise anything in real life, really…
I'm glad you think of yourself as a charismatic person, though.



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So /edu/ this site is full of threads debunking standard chicken headed talking points but what are some legit criticisms of leftist thought?

I found this book Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson and his thesis runs as following. Marxism and European socialism, instead of being an ideology of the proletariat, was a petty bourgeois ideology born out of a ressentiment for the bourgeoisie and the belief that the proletariat could be better managed. Leftists falsely understood capitalism as a rationalizing force which would create a homogenous proletariat, while in truth capitalism exacerbates racial differences to manage pops more efficiently. Leftists mistake nationalism and racism as essentially reactionary, while in truth it has always played a huge and sometimes preponderant part in history.

Second Kolakowski's book Main Currents of Marxism makes two important claims. Terms like "materialism" and "dialectics" are not well defined leading to ambiguity and confusion. This is why Lenin and the Russian Marxists misinterpreted Marx's materialism as an ontology of matter. Second leftist materialism is determinstic and offers a telological history in which outcomes are predetermined. This undermines human creativity and autonomy and is why the Soviets and "actually existing socialism" became totalitarian in practice. The party led by masters of Marxist theory and technocrats can guide society through more and more bureaucratization cancelling out the need for democratic participation and subordinating individual agency to the needs of the bureaucracy itself. I believe the Maoists saw this and tried to break from it but China ended up producing the same results because even the red guards embraced the same interpretation of historical/dialectical materialism.

I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within. Anarchist societies would not have the means to resist these invaders. Probably why the Zapatistas are scrapping their communal autonomy model because of cartels moving into Chiapas and causing trouble. The anarchist army could resist an external military force. Its been done before. But an anarchist society is prone to collapse and reversal through inabiliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>24723
>Marx gives us a stage theory of history where human societies evolve from more simple modes of production to more complex ones like capitalism. This entire model is empirically false and it assumes there's some linear tech tree that all human societies must advance through.
No, that's just your misreading of Marx. There's a tendency that people reduce dialectics to the triad thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Well, I also think that there's a tendency that people reduce Marx's analysis of capitalist to the triad slavery-feudalism-capitalism. Looking back, everything does seem linear.

The message you should get from Marx is that capital is univeralizing and history during and after Marx proves this - capital is international, it spread with sword and fire of colonialism and imperialism. Where there is capital, there's a working class and vice versa. Capital reproduces the working class and the enslavement of the working class under capital. The working class has vested historic interest to overthrow this system. That's the big story.

In general I think you're arguing a Marx strawman. With some Twitter ML ghost that ratio'd you earlier in the week.

>>24727
I'm not talking about dialectics. I'm talking about historical materialism and his theories of historical development. Marx is a social evolutionist: all societies should eventually develop the same social and productive structures, regardless of how he thinks this development happens. This really could be a side thing to his whole critique of capitalism which mostly holds up even if its dated. You can accept some of Marx's ideas without being a Marxist and you don't have to believe in X or Y thing Marx said. Marxists try to clobber you into this dogmatism.

>>24724
That's why I say that free will is not the same as true freedom.

>>24729
thats dialectics

>>24729
>I'm not talking about dialectics
yeah congrats for not reading the post
>>24727
<there's a tendency that people reduce Marx's analysis of capitalist to the triad slavery-feudalism-capitalism. Looking back, everything does seem linear.
<The message you should get from Marx is that capital is univeralizing and history during and after Marx proves this - capital is international, it spread with sword and fire of colonialism and imperialism. Where there is capital, there's a working class and vice versa. Capital reproduces the working class and the enslavement of the working class under capital. The working class has vested historic interest to overthrow this system. That's the big story.



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>Historical events, states and peoples with cool names
'The expedition of the thousand', 'Triarchy of Negroponte', 'The Battle of the Crater' and 'The Boxer rebellion'
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Ispahsalar


Heresiarch or Arch-Heretic

The Field of Blood

>>21647

redditor



 

How could the economic stagnation in the USSR have been avoided? I understand that Gorbachev's liberalization was the last straw, but there were economic problems even before that.

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Market socialist reforms

Anti-corruption reforms

There was no future for socialism, so it could only die no matter what you did to resuscitate it. The argument for socialism was never premised on economic growth, nor was that seen as the purpose of capitalism necessarily. The argument for socialism was whether there was any interest in continuing the project, or if the favored wouldn't cut loose anyone who wasn't meant to make it in the world to come. They chose the latter, some enthusiastically, some only out of immediate self-interest, and some entirely against their wishes and sense of the world but mandated by the pressure of the first two groups. It became impossible to speak of a world where someone could simply exist as a poor. Only exceptional people are wanted in the world to come, and exceptional people are by definition not the masses.



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I am still a noob in economics and socialism in general, can someone explain to me in a simple way why the current real estate crisis and high prices. I live in the EU which is infamous for making excessive controls, yet it is quite common to buy products from Morocco or similar countries where conditions are much worse, what do they gain from it?

Literally "The rent is too damn high". The entire economy is set up for as much rent extraction as possible by decades of policy, with the intent of imploding capitalism as anything involving actual capital.
In the rest of the world, real estate is not ridiculously overpriced, with the exception of some parts of the Middle East that are already an advanced model of the new program they want for the world. It's still expensive everywhere, but not so expensive that it is inflated ridiculously beyond what anyone actually pays for it. The entire purpose of such high rents is to make them unpayable, so that there is no more family home and you can't rent an apartment without three working-class incomes that you can't possibly attain. The only reason there isn't a mass implosion is because of those holding on to their accumulated wealth from generations ago and housing programs that prop up the ridiculous rent-seeking… sometimes. If you are a poor, you are dead in this world. Dead. The poors are made to live as if they were illegal aliens in their own country, squatting in their friends' homes. Such is life. If any of them find a place of their own, the mob of squatters comes in to wreck it, all with the tacit approval of the rent-seekers. No one could afford these rents without being selected to live, and those selected to live are just handed everything. They do not struggle. They do not.



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Let's make a thread about programming,share your experiences,adviсes to beginners and so on.
I don't have any great experience on this topic,because i'm beginner like only language i learned is Python.



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I come from a long line of Freemasons. I did not suspect anything until my relative went to the 33 degree then I got the following info

70% of law enforcement in USA, and UK are masons. Be ready to hide.

Please share this information with everyone you can. Be careful My family is involved in this stuff. So I know what Im talking about. Im currently in big danger. So this is a real war and not a game. Our futures and freedom are at stake.
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>>24018
I heard Nikocado started his career as sort a joke/whim.
All the people morally obsessing over him because of his obesity are the reason why shock jock artists exist

People are addicted to indignation. And that addiction to indignantion is what fuels self-righteousness.

Everyone thinks to themselves "That could never be me. I'm too smart/mature for this". And then it happens. They fell into a rut and are desperate for saving face. This is the problem with LeftyPol.
They all whine about the right being hypocrites and cringe lords, yet their own camp does the same shit.

LeftyPol whines about "women are gold diggers". They whine about certain ethnic minorities being troublesome (Indians in this case).
They go hysterical over entertainment franchises having canon-reboot sequels.
Alot of them are NEETs or semi-NEETs who think they're owed free money for being miserable bastards.

>>24021
So that's why Nietzsche says "God is dead and we killed Him"?
Of course, Christians take it out of context and frame it as an attack against their religion.

>thread about the power and danger of freemasonry gets derailed into schizobabble about aliens and a discussion of christianity
Wasn't convinced about a masonic conspiracy until I saw this thread and noticed masons scrambling to divert. Trotsky and Molotov were right. Communists must kill all freemasons.

>>24034
Some of our early post-Revolutionary War American presidents were anti-Masons.

kill yourself now



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The marketplace of ideas and great men also move history, it's just that in a way that is less important than materialism.

Without a Marx noticing everything and spreading his ideas, we wouldn't be here. And without great men like Lenin or Mao things would also be drastically different. What put everything in motion was the material conditions so it's always the most important thing, but the material conditions create ideas and great men.

It's the reason the bourgeoisie is constantly creating anti proletarian myths like "self made man" or whatever. The ruling class uses ideas as a weapon, and while ultimately material conditions will make even the most stubborn idiots realize the truth, ideas can delay it from happening, and so can important leading figures like Donald Trump who has been a retard-whisperer for some time now.
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>>24348
>Why was Marx able to come up with his theory of history?
hegel.

>>24348
>why was marx able to come up with his theory of history?
Because he was smart and worked hard

>>24345
what an actual retard.

>>24351
lmfao

imagine believing theres a "marxist method of looking at things". marx did regular science, not some philosophical gibberish



 

Hello comrades. I have doubts about materialism since the philosophical part of Marxism isn't my strength, but I want to be able to understand it better since materialism is the foundation of marxist theory and the communist movement.
I've had arguments in the past with people who claim that modern science doesn't prove materialism or that materialism cannot explain things like the origin of the universe or quantum mechanics. Well, where do I begin with this? Is materialism the truth? The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right? How do I prove this then? Maybe one of you STEMlords around here can help me out with this. Any resources on this is appreciated.
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Perhaps I dont understand materialism, scientific value, communism, marxism, or what you mean
but
The way I see it, materialism is all that matters because its all that can be proved to exist
>inb4 solipsism brain in a jar shit, I dont care if my house isnt actually real, I have performed numerous repeat experiments by living in it and all evidence points toward corporeality
I guess this is one of those things that can be really easy to bring into a navel gazing circlejerk about what is reality, what is real, etc, like in the same vein as Last Thursdayism where technically you could have been created a few days ago and it just so happens that all your memories are generally pretty accurate and also congruous with reality moving forwards

Bumping this one

>>20840
Why?

Have we discovered a "scientific value" of commodity? Ten yards of linen gets you ten scientifics. Balderdash !





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