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99% of the time someone complains about it, it's literally just something like
>the movie depicts settler colonials exterminating wildlife and utterly ravaging the land
>the indigenous people aren't doing that
Favorably contrasting indigenous people with settlers or criticizing colonials' genocidal and ecocidal rampage is not "noble savage." People who say this are just coping about their culture being (rightfully) criticized as specifically and uniquely destructive in a particular historical context. No, the fact that indigenous people hunted bison and made war on each other is not equivalent to wholesale extermination of people and wildlife on the continent (for example). Depicting these people groups as something other that bloodthirsty orcs is not "noble savage." The destructiveness of colonizers is a matter of historical fact, and lamenting the loss of life and cultures that didn't maximize environmental destruction is not inherently fetishizing or romanticizing those people, any more than lamenting the holocaust is inherently fetishizing or romanticizing Jews.

This is not to say that the "noble savage" trope doesn't exist, because it does. Nor is it to say it's not problematic, because it is. It is to say, however, that the "noble savage" as a talking point has primarily served not to critique actual examples of it, but to reinforce colonial stereotypes of indigenous people as barbarous primitives. We shouldn't get rid of the noble savage critique, just constrain it to places where it actually applies - treating indigenous people as in a harmonious state of nature or somehow magically in tune with the environment in a way that others never could be. And at the same time the bulk of the critique should be refocused on the "savage savage" trope, which is the original stereotype and remains the far more prominent, continuing to serve as ideological justification for colonial conquest that is at least as bad as holocaust denial, not least of which because colonial oppression of indigenous people continues to this day the world over.

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It’s not subtle to you because it’s self-evident what the Americans in the film are up to
Idk if I would write the Navi off this way, their home planet is explicitly different from Earth, whereas life on Earth is connected through our relationships to each other, life on Pandora is connected in this fashion but also by the biological ability to connect their nervous systems, and thus their thoughts and emotions directly. The culture of the Navi isn’t only similar to contemporary indigenous cultures, it is similar to how ALL human societies started out, even the one of you Europeans, before your people rejected the notion that life had value and nature is more than a tool to exploit. The Navi can’t lose their connection to their world the way humans did because of their ability to directly interface with it.


Maybe people overcritizing the "Noble Savage" trope is them coping with the obvious advantage of living under a classless society.


>they come across as something entirely inhuman. They're something more akin to wood elves from a fantasy setting.

and what do you think they are an allusion to???


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NTA but myths about elves and other creatures long predate European colonialism in the age of sail. Which actually raises the point that a lot of the tropes about spirituality and connection with nature weren't originally generated by contact with a new people group, but were a process of synthesizing existing European myths with this new contact. Europeans already had a romanticized or mythologized view of nature (probably a reflection of the separation from it being created in their society) that they brought with them. Upon seeing peoples who did not create such a distinct separation, these peoples fit into an already existing ideology about the distinction between society and nature and a template for human-like but not human magical creatures. A large part of the mystique of Americans for the early European explorers and settlers was the seeming contradiction of a society that was not seeking to "master" nature and bend it to submission under the yoke and plow, totally reshaping it to suit their class society. The mythologizing of the Americans was an attempt to reconcile this seeming contradiction, and were a reflection of the Europeans' assumption that such a society wasn't possible.

One of the directions this took was "actually they're not a real society because they don't cut down the forests to make farmland. They need to be civilized or killed." Which among other things is partly what this anon says >>31949 i.e. coping.

Another direction this took was "if these people can resolve the contradiction between human society and nature, maybe their society is better than ours or at least we could learn something from them."

Part of the motivation for the wars and exterminations was certainly that American societies raised a lot of difficult questions about European societies by contrast. This is of course a threat to the ruling class and the kneejerk response to destroy these people also created an opportunity to acquire vast quantities of resources, so it's hardly surprising that this was the direction they went. This is, after all, a culture that had already spent centuries burning heretics, Christianizing Europe, and otherwise supplanting the "indigenous" European cultures alien to Rome and a post-Roman Christendom, like the Goths orPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


based. Nothing more I could say, you put it better than I could possibly have.
>People who say this are just coping about their culture being (rightfully) criticized as specifically and uniquely destructive in a particular historical context
>Most people whining about the “noble savage trope” are literally pasty crackoids criticizing a film for acting like the natives weren’t inherently inferior
Yeah I agree with both of you especially on this. There's a very strong classist element to it too when I've seen this reaction from people in my region (not in the US).
<stop fetishizing poor people (mostly indigenous or mixed), they can do bad things too!!11
It's not fetishizing or demonizing to say the truths which the whiter, upper class (and those who aspire to become like them) are not used to hearing, mostly that the effects of colonization have been so devastating that certain groups of people are still being oppressed to this day, and that the capitalist class actively works to oppress us all.

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Post'em, I'll start

>fabric (n.)

>late 15c. (Caxton), "a building," a sense now obsolete, from Old French fabrique (14c.), verbal noun from fabriquer (13c.), from Latin fabricare "to make, construct, fashion, build," from fabrica "workshop," also "an art, trade; a skillful production, structure, fabric," from faber "artisan who works in hard materials," from Proto-Italic *fafro-, from PIE *dhabh-, perhaps meaning "craftsman" (source also of Armenian darbin "smith," and possibly also Lithuanian dabà "nature, habit, character," dabnùs "smart, well-dressed, elegant;" Russian dobryj "good," Gothic gadob "it fits," Old English gedēfe "fitting;" also see daft).

>From 1630s as "a thing made; a structure of any kind." The sense in English has evolved via "manufactured material" (1753) to "textile, woven or felted cloth" (1791). Compare forge (n.) which is a doublet.


>nice (adj.)

>late 13c., "foolish, ignorant, frivolous, senseless," from Old French nice (12c.) "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware," literally "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (from PIE root *ne- "not") + stem of scire "to know" (see science). "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] — from "timid, faint-hearted" (pre-1300); to "fussy, fastidious" (late 14c.); to "dainty, delicate" (c. 1400); to "precise, careful" (1500s, preserved in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to "agreeable, delightful" (1769); to "kind, thoughtful" (1830).

>In many examples from the 16th and 17th centuries it is difficult to say in what particular sense the writer intended it to be taken. [OED]

>By 1926, it was said to be "too great a favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness." [Fowler]

>"I am sure," cried Catherine, "I did not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I not call it so?" "Very true," said Henry, "and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything." [Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey," 1803]


Really makes you think.


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this one's easy. it's basically a shortened "fabricate"
really shows the huge gap between middle english and everything afterwards
patriarchy is PMC

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I'm trying to watch Young Royals ep.1 but it's too homosexual.


got any more riveting fox news comment section takes on tv shows


how is a show "homosexual"?


I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.


>I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.

>I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.

 No.3333[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Since Star Wars got a thread why can’t this? Discuss anything you like of the universe. lore, art, diy modeling or even Marxist critique of the setting and gw parasitic relationship with it.

To start of the part 5 of Astartes fan film and the promise for more.
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>Acknowledging that the Luddites were right about automation destroying jobs means you have to support feudalism
wow anon please continue to show us how to play your favorite game


>automation is responsible for many job losses.
I don't think that's actually true. A socialist society would employ everybody, and the advances in automation would be used to reduce the work-day, make people work 6 hours instead of 8 to 10.
Some of the economic automation bonus would also be spend on raising the level of ambition for certain projects.
I think job-loss is a capitalist thing, not a technology thing.

Only capitalists seek to replace workers with automation. A socialist society would see automation as a way to increase the productivity of workers. Which is a more realistic goal.

What the capitalists are doing doesn't make much sense because they are trying to proletarianize capital it self. It doesn't actually end the class struggle. If they make machines that can do all the things that workers can do, they will have created machine workers with the same class interests. Class struggle transcends the substrate.

Also the capitalists aren't really investing much into technological advances anymore, so the future isn't racing towards us anymore, it's a really slow crawl.


>machine workers
??? no,they would just devalue the rate of profit by replacing labor with dead labor,since the machines are capital themselves. (or in non marxist terms,they are destroying the loop of the economy by producing commodities that nobody can buy because of no wages)
Class struggle doesn't transcend humanity or sentience,that would be twisting Marx's writing in the weirdest way I've read so far.


>no,they would just devalue the rate of profit by replacing labor with dead labor,since the machines are capital themselves.
>they are destroying the loop of the economy
It depends, if machines don't reproduce, then yes it's just going to be dead labor. Eventually all the machines will be depreciated and the hole thing winds down like a clockwork that nobody is winding up anymore.
However if the capitalists could manage to make the machines reproduce them self, the machines would stop being capital and they would become workers.
Humans are biological machines that produce all the things in the economy and they also reproduce them selves. If the workers didn't make new workers there could not be economic surplus.

>Class struggle doesn't

Of course class struggle is not limited to humans. I doubt you could make non-sentient machines that can do all the things that workers do. If you make the machines reproduce all the abilities of workers, you'll end up reproducing the mental processes that workers have as well.


Ah yes, Hegel's Master Slave dialectic is pertinent here

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I’ll start:
Pan’s Labyrinth
Blade Runner
Starship Troopers
The Thing
The Matrix
Pirates of the Caribbean
Paths of Glory
The Devil’s Backbone
Return of the Living Dead
Grave of the Fireflies
Princess Mononoke
Come and See
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the beginning was, probably the ending 2


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b movies can be indirectional considered communist

because they're
a) unproffessional
b) low budget (lol)
c) scare normies




zombie lake is actually z movie tb h, but the difference is little


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>Pan's Labyrinth
>Soyjak OP image
This OC needed to be made.

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First thread I've ever made here. I'm really interested in graphic design and I make shitty flags all the time. Therefore: Post your flags, your logos, your posters, your whatever. Or you can post cool shit you found - point is, post some based shit.

>Lefty shit is best, but if you think it's cool, post.
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How do I git gud at graphic design lads?


pragtice :DD


Practice and analysis.


Making opportunists cry one Canva element at a time.


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&ltStar Trek Picard S01E01 is out
(check torrents)


Favourite episodes, best characters, memorable moments, etc.
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>>31292 (me)
Well, they are both incredibly hot.


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>sisko builds and flies a spaceship entirely for fun
>jake gives his dad dating advice
>hammock time
>o'brien and bashir get drunk and sing songs
"Explorers" has more dudes rocking per minute than almost any other Trek episode.


As someone who despises Nu-Trek, S1 is bad, S2 is decent, S3 is good.
>However best NuTrek show is the Pike show
Best NuTrek is unironically the Orville S3, that is just straight up a new season of TNG and it fucking rocks.
Closest thing to the feel of Deep Space Nine is For All Mankind the Apple show, which is done by the DS9 Showrunner and written by the DS9 writing staff (Just watch everything on 1movieshd anyway)


I'm here to report that Picard S03E01 still sucks, it's getting glowing reviews though. Money well spent for sure. It was very amusing watching Dr Crusher kill 2 aliens in a gunfight, double tapping a wounded one.


Considering how much of a celebrity and important cultural figure the Sisko was to the Bajorans, I'd really have loved to see baseball take off on Bajor. It would have been great to see Bajorans walking around in the background wearing baseball caps, newly en vogue (and supplied for a tidy profit courtesy of Quark's Quality Athletic Equipment Outlet). I want an episode where Sisko has to go down to Bajor and he's surprised to find that all kinds of teams are getting set up. And being Bajorans, I bet they mix in all kinds of religious aspects to it too, like having a Vedec ritually bless the ball, or having the Kai throw the first pitch at the Bajoran World Series. Serious religious disputes arise because of arguments over rules, like whether or not it's acceptable to use lightweight composite alloy bats, or if traditional wooden bats are required. The Kai has to write to Sisko begging him to settle aspects of the game because the Vedec assembly is in an uproar over the issue of pitch timers and Bajoran society starts to fly apart because of the introduction and mass adoption of chewing gum among the youth.

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Makin radish kimchi.

Boiling glass jar to get rid of bacteria
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he turned the thread into pickling
funniest shit I've ever seen


the beauty of the white radish must not perish from the face of this earth !!


There are already several cooking threads (i presume also made by you, retard). Stop shitting up the board with your trash cooking skills.


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How are you even mad about this? I see, like, 3 total if you include the /ck/ general.
Are you crying over these failthreads or something? Just bump 'em bro.


some autists get fantastically asshurt when a somewhat related thread occurs outside their beloved generals

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 No.2737[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Star Wars thread; To discuss, laugh and meme about Star Wars

Don't be a cunt and may the Force be with you
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luthen is fucking crazy. saw gerrera aint even as extreme as him. he views his rebellion as a trap, something he cannot escape from. he has given up the very values of what makes a rebellion burn across the galaxy. friendship, kindship, love? he frames as giving up everything as his reputation his peace. he talks about his ego never being able to be mirrored, to have an audience, to be examined under light. he sees himself as the villain but thats not even the most important part. all his sacrifice has been about his image, his fucking peace. sure he mentions the people's life he's trampled on as a result of his "rebellion" but not as much as in depth as his own fucking self. this rebellion is a power trip for himself, in which he is conflicted between the views of a back to brunch liberal and the liberal projection of a revolutionary terror who is all about bloodthirsty violence. saw gerrera wont ally with anton kreegyr because of a difference of values but luthen is willing to sacrifice his rebel cell of 50 men to "maintain the rebellion". on a surface level this makes sense as it will enact protocol of the empire, but that doesnt even make sense when examined. networks build their strength, their power on connections. the empire responds accordingly. if anything it will make the empire more lax as a sort of anxiety release valve with the squashing of this particular rebel cell. saw gerrera wouldnt exterminate a rebel cell to "maintain the rebellion" but fight and kill them because of a difference of values. but luthen views this as an empowerment to the empire that will show the people they need to rebel. but people already have seen the empire. they dont need a closing iron fist, as he puts it. if anything it would tickle the interest of those with a conscience in his upper class realm of society. people still on the bottom will fight tooth and nail with the very values he feels he needs to abandon. and it will leave him behind, ironically, as people will forge connections while he's too busy doing the empire's jobs for them. an extremist centrist guilty about his rebellion.

a brilliant character. i hope the writers make him a villain. i think they will given the whole emperor palpatine-esque black robes parallel in the most recent episode(10). hell he even looks like fucking sheev himself hopefully the message will be that he will reject these values or other rebel cells will uprise against him. or a more fittingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


his speech for context


fight the empire


Which rebel cells do you think communists would align with? Probably not the neo-Republicans cuz they’re just liberals who want to go back to “normal”. Sectorists sound like folks who are more into self governance than a centralized galactic government. I think Saw’s partisans are the closest but even Luthen mentioned about Saw being something of an anarchist, but I’m more interested in the regular old communists and who they’d align with.


from reading this speech, this show actually seems well written?

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A luxury space cruise ship in the awful climate change-ridden neoliberal "future" owned by a mash-up of Richard Branson, Elizabeth Holmes and Billy McFarland rapidly, dependably descends into catastrophe and spectacle
Last season just ended its HBO Max premiere


>When EW recently caught up with Iannucci, he insisted that season 2 will not be the show's last, at least as far as he is concerned
>"No," said the executive producer when asked if the show was canceled. "No, no, no, it's not. No."
>Iannucci explained that the cast had been let out of their contracts because of the COVID-caused delay in shooting season 2 of the show.
>"HBO doesn't really renew a season until the previous season is going out," he said. "Because we got delayed by the pandemic by about 18 months, we knew that meant everyone's contracts would run out, because they're contracted for a certain period. We just thought, everyone's got 101 other things to be doing, so it would be unfair to kind of keep them on hold in limbo. But everyone wants to do more. HBO are very keen. We'll make more when we can corral everyone together again. Everyone's up for it and we've already got ideas and thoughts about what happens next."

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