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Why have movies and other franchises moved away from just doing normal sequels to doing prequels and side stories so much?
I don't buy that it's simply for the sake of fan buy-in and "I know what that is!" You can put references to other stories into a new one without making them literally connected. So what gives?

It's especially weird with Mad Max, where the continuity in the older movies was always vague. The way Road Warrior and Thunderdome made it seem like they could be retellings of the same events in an oral tradition. Why is that not good enough? And what is the point of telling the backstory of a character like Furiosa when the ending of Fury Road set up a more interesting scenario? They won, they overthrew the bad guys, but we don't get to see what the victory looks like? If you still need the action scenes, you could just have some opportunistic faction show up to do a siege during the transition.

In even worse cases, you have things like the Zelda timeline or Stephen King novels, where there wasn't originally a holistic canon, but one was rationalized later. (And in the case of Zelda, the most recent entries seem to contradict the "official" canon timeline in multiple ways.) Seriously, what is added by establishing an explicit canon for all these separate products? Why can't it just be a series of thematically connected works, like Dark Souls? Or the original middle ground where Zeldas were different incarnations of the same concept, but with no specific relationship between most of them?
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>>42180
Damn that's fucking sick. Thanks for posting. Wheres it from?

>>42600
Supposedly the trailers used unfinished VFX which seems highly sus. Maybe the studio intentionally under-marketed it because these movies are relatively expensive and not usually that profitable so they want to kill the potential for the franchise to grow. It wouldn't be the first time they'd done something like that.

>>42602
Back in my day when they wanted to make a teaser but the movie was unfinished, they just teased you with some sick visual that's not in the movie instead of showing us the whole movie in a half finished state.

>>42597
>how can the titanic be sinking when there are parts of it still above water

media franchises are preferred by risk-averse executives who run the oligopolies like hollywood
that's it
it's not much deeper than that
no one's gonna bankroll the next kubrick (unless they force the project through a few dozen focus groups)



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Like you know what I'm talking about
We live in a society where so much of pop culture is never ending referential

WandaVision references old ass TV that I'm sure most of it's viewer base hasn't even ever seen

I don't even think the writer's have, They're just referencing it because that's what you are supposed to do, Like references these days just seem to be self regurgitating references because references can be made, no meaningful purpose behind it, just ooo it's that thing that i saw referenced in that other thing!

Anyway back to our point,
I like comedies, so I feel pressure to watch Happy Days, Taxi, and Honey Mooners and feel like I'm missing out if I don't watch them to build up my history and culture

For e.g some of you who like comic books might feel the same way about all the various billion runs of each character

I don't even know if they'll hold up, and I've basically held the belief that something influential or the first to do it only gives it merit to the history books, Nothing more
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>>22200
>but all the classics are usually genre shattering masterpieces that did something so good or new
Right, but after a period of time the uniqueness erodes and becomes passe. At one point Elvis was a dangerous threat to society, now even the most rigid social conservatives would laugh at the idea of being offended by his music or dancing. Some classics are just version alpha, and honestly only "classic" because they were first to market. Would Plato have been so popular had his critics had just as many surviving texts? If China had colonized the americas would ancient greek philosophy be held in such high regard? Would Shakespeare be considered such mastery of english if students hadn't been told this their entire lives, before they even get a chance read it for themselves and come to an independent conclusion? If you played Flamenco Sketches for someone whose never heard jazz or heard of Miles Davis, would they have any reason to hold it in high regard? Classical canons are just academic meme warfare; the same timeless strategy of using prestige to control cultural narratives. While I recognize there is a causal chain of actions from past to present that produces media, I don't think the fecundity of a work is a valid means of measuring its quality or cultural impact.

I for one feel pressured to read marx even tho I've heard all the talking pointa a gozzilion times allready.

>>42486
All the more reason you need to read if you think it's just "talking points"

I dunno I never really notice this in indie stuff.

>>22262
>Schopenhauer may have been the first to realize this
why did this make me laugh lol



 

Comrades let's have a thread for martial arts, combat sports and self defense. Striking, grappling, all styles welcome (except fake ass shit). Let's talk about training, techniques, fights, fighters, etc. Here's a fun fact: One of the many achievements of the soviets was founding their own combat system, sambo, which proved to be extremely effective and is still widely practiced today. Also, Judo orange belt here (AMA if you want)
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>>41572
well I looked up a club that does Shotokan and K1 so I can do both of those, there's no kyokushin nearby, I'd like to move somewhere to do it someday

>>41593
Found this too
>Training that will Expose the Lies of Your Katana Swinging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAU9WVT0LIU

>>41568
it really just depends on whether you like striking or grappling more. all four are great. I prefer grappling, throwing people and gripfighting, that's why I stick to wrestling and judo (I'd like to try boxing at some point though). of course if you like punches, boxing or MT would be ideal. if you're all about grappling people on the ground and leglocks, chokes, etc BJJ is the obvious choice. eventually you'll likely discover your real passion through trial and error.

>>42386
As it happens, I took my first kickboxing class today. I basically want to learn how to punch and kick, and I've already learned the basic movements, so I'll stick with this for a while.

I inquired at the Judo place, but the guy didn't seem very forthcoming so I decided to leave it. I'll try it one day though, for sure. There is a BJJ place right next to where I do the kickboxing, so that seems to be the logical next step, but I do like the takedown focus of Judo more than the ground grappling aspect of BJJ. I'm warming up to the idea of it as time goes on, though.

>>42424
Update: I went back again this week, and am still enjoying it. I think it'll be a while before we get into any sparring though, partially because there's a probationary period for sparring, and also because they have a belt system and you only start sparring after your first few gradings. It's kind of annoying, but never mind.

On a related note, have you guys heard of Liberation Martial Arts? It's a kind of curriculum created by the people behind the Southpaw podcast. At first glance it seems very… soy. But the people who do it seem to enjoy it, and I like that there's an emphasis on self-learning.



 

Was he the original War Social Media Clout Shark?



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Discuss.
Dune discussion general.

https://youtu.be/jJj2yHM3d3Y
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>>42446
Unlike IRL the Fremen are shown to be in contact with each other across the globe and routinely travel across the planet, so the effects of genetic drift on them would not be as strong as they are on Earth in our real history and prehistory. Given that in the story the Fremen are said to have various adaptations specific to Arrakis (like resistance to bleeding), they have some common ancestry and have adapted to the planet. You would expect to see variations, and arguably more than in many other parts of the Imperium (especially the nobles are practicing eugenics).

What you wouldn't expect is pretty much the whole spectrum of what you see on IRL Earth. We have a lot more conditions than one big desert. Given how white-dominated the Imperium is in the movies (a handful of characters like Yueh and Thufir aside) it seems like a deliberate casting choice, to contribute to the geopolitical coding of the characters and reality subtext of the movies - making the Fremen more representative of the global south in general. That's a fine choice to make in isolation, but it does clash with the themes of Dune (which are themselves problematic at times). It's sort of trying to have your cake and eat it too between grounded worldbuilding and symbolic impact. In the source material, that was already done by having the specificity and uniqueness of the Fremen contribute to the representation of an oppressed people, rather than being more of a melting pot.

The movies don't have time to delve into much detail so the overall effect was always going to genericize the Fremen, and it seems like they leaned into that by intentionally casting the Fremen as much more diverse than the rest of the cast. IMO that choice would work better thematically if the movies had also leaned into the mythic elements or had used a framing device like Princess Irulan's quotations to make the story feel more symbolic than literal. But that potentially would have worked against the cautionary tale by romanticizing it. There's a lot on the table thematically, and it's challenging to balance those pieces against each other. The choices they make in that regard reflect the popular zeitgeist within Hollywood, which in terms of anti-racism tends to be pretty simplistic and surface level. Hollywood is not really the best place to go for anti-imperialist propaganda even if now and then you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>42448
Given that the Fremen are semi nomadic peoples they have similar interactions to the Taureg and Berbers irl over similar distances. Thats plenty of isolation to develop distinct phenotypes over distant, especially given the high selective pressure in such an environment.
15 thousand years is plenty time to develop "special adaptations" such as quicker blood clothing to prevent moisture loss given that such variation is already present in todays population and it just a question of selection and duplication of genes, which happens fairly quickly in an environmentally highly selective environment.

Also who care. Why aren't you talking about the erasure of the identity of the harkonnens.

>>42449
>Also who care. Why aren't you talking about the erasure of the identity of the harkonnens.

Ugh, the F*nns…

>>42449
>Also who care. Why aren't you talking about the erasure of the identity of the harkonnens.
I can. It makes the lineage stuff bizarre. If Jessica is half Harkonnen what happened to all the freaky Harkonnen traits? In the book they are redheads and she is a redhead. She's more closely related to the Baron than Feyd is lol. I guess because the rest of the characters didn't really get much attention on planetary adaptation, they went to the extreme with the Harkonnens (also because they're bad guys and making them more inhuman works for that purpose).

>Thats plenty of isolation to develop distinct phenotypes over distant

Yeah that's what I said. It's just a matter of degree. Arrakis doesn't have that much variation in environment compared to Earth. You would expect a lot more diversity on Caladan since the wetter climate allows more diverse environments. House Atreides is relatively diverse compared to the rest of the Imperium, but not compared to the Fremen. Giedi Prime being homogeneous pod people makes the most sense given they live in a mostly artificial environment. Being super fair skinned and fair haired fits with that in the original version too, but keeps them less alien.

paul is sort of like trump if u think about it



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Based on true events or realistic fiction, what are some films, TV shows, specific episodes, or characters you've seen that represent the far-right movement with disturbing accuracy? Let's avoid talking about American History X. Its 90s skinhead nazis are now Hollywood stereotypes that are less relevant in the era of siege culture and active clubs.
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Civil War by Alex Garland was interesting, it's not explicitly about neo nazis but the DC regime is said to assassinate journalists on sight and to airstrike civilians, and the civil war is hinted to have begun because the president began a third term and dissolved the FBI

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THE THREAD IS ALIVE

>>42332
Good movie. Those reasons are mainly set pieces for the characters though, which are the main focus of the movie and discuss how journalists ethics and personality come to play in war/tragedies scenarios. It's similar in ethos as nightcrawler but still very enjoyable. Wagner Moura was pretty good in this <3

>>42276
>>38657
reminds me of how quickly #stopasianhate ended, people got uncomfortable with the realization where much of the "hate"(assaults and robbery) were coming from

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>>38647
Came here to post romper stomper but I guess it doesn't count?
>>38613
>Let's avoid talking about American History X. Its 90s skinhead nazis are now Hollywood stereotypes that are less relevant in the era of siege culture and active clubs
Hard to tell what you want OP. The "death" of skinhead culture was merely a change of costume. It's the same people and the same culture by and large. Neo-nazism understands itself as living in the shadow of the holocaust. It is the holocaust ideology. Thus it has to constantly disguise itself, take on new forms. Hence why the label "alt-right" was adopted and shed within a matter of years.

Personally I think the best moment of American History X is with Cameron, the big boss, when Derek calls him out as a Moloch-figure sacrificing young men for the cause while he sits back and collects the checks. That's the reality.

Power electronics, in my opinion, is a good portrayal of neo-nazism in musical form. People accuse it of being neo-nazi music, but what they do is very clever. They hint at being neo-nazi while making music that's as ugly as neo-nazism really is.



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Have you done any 𝕮𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖎𝖌𝖗𝖆𝖕𝖍𝖎𝖈 𝕬𝖗𝖙𝖘 lately?
All you need is a chiseled marker or brush or something and you can make some neat looking lines and fonts.
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does this technically belong on /draw/?

>>42404
Idk when I made the thread I flipped a coin because I didn't know if it should be in /hobby/ or /draw/ and it landed (h)eads for (h)obby.

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>>42404
Better here, /draw/ was a mistake and should be merged back into /leftypol/



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"Left-coded" puritanism is one of the worst things to ever happen to art. Now most art is either excessively safe/coddly or superficially transgressive but utterly vapid. I don't want fucking Stella Blade to be the only kind of place where eroticism and art can meet.
The thing is this isn't even done for any genuine well-intentioned reasons like trying to protect minorities or whatever, no one is being protected by trying to shut out all hints of sex from media.
I dunno I guess this is a "what is the material explanation for this?" type thread but mostly I'm just annoyed and I want this to be fixed, how do we do it

>>42427
>Now most art is either excessively safe/coddly or superficially transgressive but utterly vapid.
"Safe edgy"?
>I don't want fucking Stella Blade to be the only kind of place where eroticism and art can meet.
Part of the problem is that people think that sexuality or other adult things have to be puerile, juvenile, trashy, and pandering. Europe has been doing highly sexual art films since forever (this was one of the first things the nazis attacked btw). The very icons of "high art" in the western canon - the renaissaince - is loaded with sexuality (not just nudity).
>I dunno I guess this is a "what is the material explanation for this?" type thread
The confinement of adult themes to the realm of pornography and pseudo-pornography is part of a campaign to reduce art to mere entertainment. The ruling class is happy for art to make people soyface at a screen for a few hours. They are not happy for it to make the workers think about their conditions or imagine better conditions.
>but mostly I'm just annoyed and I want this to be fixed, how do we do it
Bring back counterculture, but instead of just being edgy to spite the puritans, make art that's eye-opening and edifying.

>>42427
all the specific problems you worry about are non problems. the materialist explanation is that you are living in a society where the dominant media-format is the internet and you are spending your time looking at places where people you regard as puritan congregate. you want eroticism and art to meet? go to furaffinity. go to a twitter circle full of chronic masturbators instead of one full of discourse-fiends. christ, go to leftypol.org and scroll down the overboard. really, that's all it is: find another circle of people. you are floating in an ocean of islands, have found an island that annoys you, and now you fear that every island is like this. well it isn't, there's an infinite number of islands. what should really be frightening you is not the specific social annoyances of one island or another, but the fact that you are trapped on a canoe in a world full of islands.

the scary thing for art is not that puritans may come in and ruin it - so what if they did? look to history, plenty of people have come along and tried to dictate how art ought to work, failed painters have killed over the topic, and yet we wound up here. no, the scary thing is that the very idea of an artistic canon or progression of history, as such, has taken a fatal wound: with no island to write the dominant history, who is to say what matters and what doesn't? we may track from greek statues to socialist realism without trouble, but what do you do in 2024? how much space do you devote to tumblr's red noses, to google's blob-people, to the development of furry art from 2005's goth-anime sparkledogs to today's proliferation of styles, most of which ruthlessly targeted at certain pornographic niches? i'll tell you how: you don't. you don't have the space. the canon is a vestige of the era of "linear" media, of books and TV. you are living in the age of hypermedia, so pick an island and set sail.

>>42427
>I don't want fucking Stella Blade to be the only kind of place where eroticism and art can meet.

Who the fuck said it was???? Holy shit, you get all your takes from V and then come cry to 'the left' about it

>muh western liberal values are falling thread 654899654
kek
>I dunno I guess this is a "what is the material explanation for this?" type thread but mostly I'm just annoyed and I want this to be fixed, how do we do it
send a strongly worded email to your national nroadcaster



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Going off this >>4480 anon's point about post-apocalyptic films; how does such fiction reproduce capitalist ideology generally?
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>>41364
>>41360
bait used to be believable (not even gonna bother getting the image)


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Just read through the Judge Dredd spinoff comic Fall of Deadworld, or at least what's available now. It's not a bad apocalypse adventure story, and the art is really good at being creepy and unsettling.



 

The On Cinema cinematic universe is a hilarious satirical cycle/storyline about 2 extremely egoistic faux movie lovers in an exurban Inland Empire town clashing with each other and the various hijinks and mediocre attempts at producing media that result in between
You can follow it here https://www.oncinematimeline.com
It's genuinely a very deep metatextual satire of a weird kind of zeitgeist in the YouTube era
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>>37492
It's sadly hard to find, however as a current subscriber you're not wasting any money subscribing. The only unalienated streaming service.

I fucking cannot with Tim's characters anymore lol
He's blending together so many different people into one character, Bill Maher but also JP but also Steven Crowder maybe? It's surreal, like one of those DJs that plays with 4 decks at once.

I watched the first three seasons recently, it's funny and laudably captures a very common Type of Guy, but not gonna lie I kinda feel like I don't need to watch any more, I feel like they're running out of ideas already. Do they shake things up in any way later?

>>42355
I guess if you like Tim and Eric Awesome Show humor and are invested in the character arcs enough, then you can keep watching
I like seeing their warped takes on movies that I've watched sometimes

I love how the "After The Episode" column has presumably been broken by Elon Musk's fuck-up of Twitter. It's an amazing new dimension to the whole thing.



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