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 No.31570[Reply]

99% of the time someone complains about it, it's literally just something like
>the movie depicts settler colonials exterminating wildlife and utterly ravaging the land
>the indigenous people aren't doing that
Favorably contrasting indigenous people with settlers or criticizing colonials' genocidal and ecocidal rampage is not "noble savage." People who say this are just coping about their culture being (rightfully) criticized as specifically and uniquely destructive in a particular historical context. No, the fact that indigenous people hunted bison and made war on each other is not equivalent to wholesale extermination of people and wildlife on the continent (for example). Depicting these people groups as something other that bloodthirsty orcs is not "noble savage." The destructiveness of colonizers is a matter of historical fact, and lamenting the loss of life and cultures that didn't maximize environmental destruction is not inherently fetishizing or romanticizing those people, any more than lamenting the holocaust is inherently fetishizing or romanticizing Jews.

This is not to say that the "noble savage" trope doesn't exist, because it does. Nor is it to say it's not problematic, because it is. It is to say, however, that the "noble savage" as a talking point has primarily served not to critique actual examples of it, but to reinforce colonial stereotypes of indigenous people as barbarous primitives. We shouldn't get rid of the noble savage critique, just constrain it to places where it actually applies - treating indigenous people as in a harmonious state of nature or somehow magically in tune with the environment in a way that others never could be. And at the same time the bulk of the critique should be refocused on the "savage savage" trope, which is the original stereotype and remains the far more prominent, continuing to serve as ideological justification for colonial conquest that is at least as bad as holocaust denial, not least of which because colonial oppression of indigenous people continues to this day the world over.

Discuss.
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 No.31949

>>31570
Maybe people overcritizing the "Noble Savage" trope is them coping with the obvious advantage of living under a classless society.

 No.31950

>>31930
>they come across as something entirely inhuman. They're something more akin to wood elves from a fantasy setting.

and what do you think they are an allusion to???

 No.31952

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>>31950
NTA but myths about elves and other creatures long predate European colonialism in the age of sail. Which actually raises the point that a lot of the tropes about spirituality and connection with nature weren't originally generated by contact with a new people group, but were a process of synthesizing existing European myths with this new contact. Europeans already had a romanticized or mythologized view of nature (probably a reflection of the separation from it being created in their society) that they brought with them. Upon seeing peoples who did not create such a distinct separation, these peoples fit into an already existing ideology about the distinction between society and nature and a template for human-like but not human magical creatures. A large part of the mystique of Americans for the early European explorers and settlers was the seeming contradiction of a society that was not seeking to "master" nature and bend it to submission under the yoke and plow, totally reshaping it to suit their class society. The mythologizing of the Americans was an attempt to reconcile this seeming contradiction, and were a reflection of the Europeans' assumption that such a society wasn't possible.

One of the directions this took was "actually they're not a real society because they don't cut down the forests to make farmland. They need to be civilized or killed." Which among other things is partly what this anon says >>31949 i.e. coping.

Another direction this took was "if these people can resolve the contradiction between human society and nature, maybe their society is better than ours or at least we could learn something from them."

Part of the motivation for the wars and exterminations was certainly that American societies raised a lot of difficult questions about European societies by contrast. This is of course a threat to the ruling class and the kneejerk response to destroy these people also created an opportunity to acquire vast quantities of resources, so it's hardly surprising that this was the direction they went. This is, after all, a culture that had already spent centuries burning heretics, Christianizing Europe, and otherwise supplanting the "indigenous" European cultures alien to Rome and a post-Roman Christendom, like the Goths orPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.31988

based. Nothing more I could say, you put it better than I could possibly have.
>People who say this are just coping about their culture being (rightfully) criticized as specifically and uniquely destructive in a particular historical context
>>31947
>Most people whining about the “noble savage trope” are literally pasty crackoids criticizing a film for acting like the natives weren’t inherently inferior
Yeah I agree with both of you especially on this. There's a very strong classist element to it too when I've seen this reaction from people in my region (not in the US).
<stop fetishizing poor people (mostly indigenous or mixed), they can do bad things too!!11
It's not fetishizing or demonizing to say the truths which the whiter, upper class (and those who aspire to become like them) are not used to hearing, mostly that the effects of colonization have been so devastating that certain groups of people are still being oppressed to this day, and that the capitalist class actively works to oppress us all.

 No.36579

>>31952
>I struggle to think of an example from popular media where indigenous people are portrayed as purely good while settlers are portrayed as purely evil
Eh I've seen several in recent times. Prey for example does this shit where the native Americans are, at worst, just misogynistic, while the European hunters are all depicted as savage, fat, smelly killers that would use a human being as bait for a monster.

There's some others I can't think of in this moment because I'm tired as hell, but there's a good number of such films that depict Indians as the uncritical heroes. It's a mythology on the level of "muh honorable Japanese Samurai".

Hell a lot of movies in the 80s have native Americans as wise, quiet people from whom the white man learns a thing or two from. And I can think of a few films of that era, depicting cowboys massacring villages of their women and children, which is hardly a good presentation of "colonizers".



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 No.31743[Reply]

Post'em, I'll start

>fabric (n.)


>late 15c. (Caxton), "a building," a sense now obsolete, from Old French fabrique (14c.), verbal noun from fabriquer (13c.), from Latin fabricare "to make, construct, fashion, build," from fabrica "workshop," also "an art, trade; a skillful production, structure, fabric," from faber "artisan who works in hard materials," from Proto-Italic *fafro-, from PIE *dhabh-, perhaps meaning "craftsman" (source also of Armenian darbin "smith," and possibly also Lithuanian dabà "nature, habit, character," dabnùs "smart, well-dressed, elegant;" Russian dobryj "good," Gothic gadob "it fits," Old English gedēfe "fitting;" also see daft).


>From 1630s as "a thing made; a structure of any kind." The sense in English has evolved via "manufactured material" (1753) to "textile, woven or felted cloth" (1791). Compare forge (n.) which is a doublet.

 No.31744

>nice (adj.)

>late 13c., "foolish, ignorant, frivolous, senseless," from Old French nice (12c.) "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware," literally "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (from PIE root *ne- "not") + stem of scire "to know" (see science). "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] — from "timid, faint-hearted" (pre-1300); to "fussy, fastidious" (late 14c.); to "dainty, delicate" (c. 1400); to "precise, careful" (1500s, preserved in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to "agreeable, delightful" (1769); to "kind, thoughtful" (1830).


>In many examples from the 16th and 17th centuries it is difficult to say in what particular sense the writer intended it to be taken. [OED]


>By 1926, it was said to be "too great a favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness." [Fowler]


>"I am sure," cried Catherine, "I did not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I not call it so?" "Very true," said Henry, "and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything." [Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey," 1803]

 No.31745

Really makes you think.

 No.31747

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>>31743
this one's easy. it's basically a shortened "fabricate"
>>31744
really shows the huge gap between middle english and everything afterwards
>>31745
patriarchy is PMC



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 No.30672[Reply]

I'm trying to watch Young Royals ep.1 but it's too homosexual.

 No.30677

got any more riveting fox news comment section takes on tv shows

 No.30681

how is a show "homosexual"?

 No.30910

>>30672
I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.

 No.31690

>>30910
>I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.

this
>I'm gay, but I don't watch it because it has Royals in the title and I don't support monarchist propaganda.



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 No.31403[Reply]

Makin radish kimchi.

Boiling glass jar to get rid of bacteria
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 No.31448

he turned the thread into pickling
funniest shit I've ever seen

 No.31451

>>31439
the beauty of the white radish must not perish from the face of this earth !!

 No.31452

There are already several cooking threads (i presume also made by you, retard). Stop shitting up the board with your trash cooking skills.

 No.31472

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>>31452
How are you even mad about this? I see, like, 3 total if you include the /ck/ general.
Are you crying over these failthreads or something? Just bump 'em bro.

 No.31505

>>31472
some autists get fantastically asshurt when a somewhat related thread occurs outside their beloved generals



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 No.2737[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Star Wars thread; To discuss, laugh and meme about Star Wars

Don't be a cunt and may the Force be with you
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 No.31525

>>31030
Which rebel cells do you think communists would align with? Probably not the neo-Republicans cuz they’re just liberals who want to go back to “normal”. Sectorists sound like folks who are more into self governance than a centralized galactic government. I think Saw’s partisans are the closest but even Luthen mentioned about Saw being something of an anarchist, but I’m more interested in the regular old communists and who they’d align with.

 No.33211

>>31056
from reading this speech, this show actually seems well written?

 No.40659

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>>27291
You do you I guess

 No.40660

>>26246
WHAT IF Anakin Killed Palpatine and Started a Jedi Civil War? | STAR WARS Jedi Empire What If
Screen Crush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Oy4cdCPo

>>24792
Clanka says the f word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kMqRXqi3xg

 No.40684




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 No.31356[Reply]

A luxury space cruise ship in the awful climate change-ridden neoliberal "future" owned by a mash-up of Richard Branson, Elizabeth Holmes and Billy McFarland rapidly, dependably descends into catastrophe and spectacle
Last season just ended its HBO Max premiere

 No.31357

https://ew.com/tv/avenue-5-not-canceled-hbo/
>When EW recently caught up with Iannucci, he insisted that season 2 will not be the show's last, at least as far as he is concerned
>"No," said the executive producer when asked if the show was canceled. "No, no, no, it's not. No."
>Iannucci explained that the cast had been let out of their contracts because of the COVID-caused delay in shooting season 2 of the show.
>"HBO doesn't really renew a season until the previous season is going out," he said. "Because we got delayed by the pandemic by about 18 months, we knew that meant everyone's contracts would run out, because they're contracted for a certain period. We just thought, everyone's got 101 other things to be doing, so it would be unfair to kind of keep them on hold in limbo. But everyone wants to do more. HBO are very keen. We'll make more when we can corral everyone together again. Everyone's up for it and we've already got ideas and thoughts about what happens next."



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 No.31349[Reply]

i'm so fucking sick and tired of the capeshit
if they keep makin it, i'mma go apeshit
what ever happened to historical drama?
love to watch HBO Rome with ya mama

 No.31350

don't like it? don't watch it

 No.31351

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>>31350
>don't like to hear about the most popular action film genre? start living on an island.
robinson crusoe moment
One of my friends always watches the latest capeshit or general franchise cashgrabs. He was open to receiving some recommendations though, so he will hopefully diversify his taste and start to search for older (as in time-proven) movies.



 No.31317[Reply]

Leftypol opinion on the original book of Frankenstein by Mary Shelly from 1818 .

 No.31319

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>"I do know that for the sympathy of one living being, I would make peace with all. I have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine and rage the likes of which you would not believe. If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other."
>"I am malicious because I am miserable; am I not shunned and hated by all mankind?"
>"Shall each man," cried he, "find a wife for his bosom, and each beast have his mate, and I be alone? I had feelings of affection, and they were requited by detestation and scorn."
Incel /lit/

 No.31320

no, it's about search for reconition, like kojeve had argued, tho?

 No.31321

>>31319
an incel would never be that erotic



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 No.31181[Reply]

We start by cutting ham!
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 No.31243

>>31242
Cooking at all is an achievement nowadays
Good on you OP

 No.31244

based thread cook anon

 No.31251

>>31243
maybe in burgerland. eating in restaurants, ordering take-away/delivery is still prohibitively expensive in the rest of the world. I cook every day, lunch and dinner, because I can't afford to eat out every single day, for every meal. even frozen food and ready meals are expensive. ingredients are cheap. I even bake my own bread cause for the price of a loaf I can buy 4kg of flour. got my sourdough starter in the fridge and can have delicious, freshly-baked bread in no time. I grow my own chilies and make my own sauces so I don't need to buy ketchup.

This thread is making me think there's no adults left on this website…

 No.31252

>>31251
>This thread is making me think there's no adults left on this website…
Yeah, you may be right.

 No.31253

>>31251
I'm trying to not crush OP's feelings here dammit comrade



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 No.17275[Reply]

Post wallpapers! I need something without anime girls in it, but really comfy and nice and makes you feel like you're living in itpunkPunk
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 No.31157

yes I get my backgrounds from nightcore/j-core videos too

 No.31158

Fags shittalking these sick backgrounds without posting their own. lol I bet they use whatever default slop microsoft fills their screens with.

 No.31166

>>31158
There’s only one post shittalking them. Why are you making it plural and why do girls ignore you when you try to talk to them

 No.31180

>>31166
trick question gaywad, I never talk to girls

 No.31228

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>>17505
>pic 2
FDR got that charlie kirk face



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