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 No.2654[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

When I was a wee lad I read Katawa Shoujo and ended up really liking Emi. She hit all the right spots for me personality wise. I finished her route with the impression that she was supposed to be the token tomboy among the main girls. To my astonishment, when I went on the Katawa Shoujo forum I found out that other people did not consider her a tomboy. How? She's the athletic, bold, energetic girl who likes to play rough. Did I not just describe a tomboy? Is it because she doesn't "look" like a tomboy? Ridiculous. It was as if at some point I had been transported to bizarro world where the word tomboy had been hijacked by pathetic fetishists who now tied the word tomboy to physical appearance.

As the years went by I found myself highly attracted to 2D girls with varying types of what are culturally seen as masculine qualities. Like the aforementioned athletic, bold, energetic, likes to play rough but also aggressive, assertive, emotionally reserved, brash, vulgar, messy, short-tempered, rhetorical, analytical, philosophical, gluttonous, as lustful as a man and so on. In other words, women who behave like the worst and best of male cultural stereotypes. Do they "look" like tomboys? Some do. But even then I have nothing in common with the pathetic fetishists, the most egregious and possibly loudest of which circlejerk over 2D girls who only "look" like tomboys and otherwise do not deviate much from the assumed average girl who on top of that unironically fantasize about turning said "tomboy" into a traditional 1950s cooking, breeding and raising servant (read: wife).

Don't believe me? Give a definition for the word tomboy. Then objectively think of all the fictional girls who come to your mind that fit that definition. How many have you never thought of as tomboys?

It's not just the word tomboy that is being systematically destroyed by pathetic fetishists. The word gyaru did not simply refer to physical appearance alone, but a whole subculture. To be a gyaru it's not enough to dress the part, you also have to act the part else you're a poser right? That's how subcultures work. Gals are stereotypically vain, airheaded, trendy, extroverted, socially intelligent, gold diggers, Americaboos and so on. Today? Shy gyaru. Awkward gyaru. Recluse gyaru. Tomboy gyaru. Normal girl gyaru. Otaku gyaru. Of course a character turning out to be different from expectation is funny on the occasion, but when every gyaru is effectively a poser gyaru thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.20729

>>20608
sorry it took long to respond [spoiler]i don't like this website[/spoiler] but essentially >>20612 this guy don't know what he's talking about. each decade of feminism essentially tries and fix the toxicity of the previous. the modern wave of feminism is a response to the gen-x/90s wave of feminism that tried to compete with men at their own game ie. being masculine and doing boy stuff. now and days it seems that feminism is embracing femininity saying it can be strong in it's own way. ie. girly, frilly, makeup stuff. this of course came with it's own toxicity; Mary Harrington has a good criticism of it. but what i'm focusing on is that is it can deprive women who want to be tomboy like. i'd argue that being a tomboy can be feminine in it's own way. the reason leftist are so critical of modern feminism, is that feminism isn't about class, it's not suppose to be. that's why you see people talking about more women CEOs, feminism is about working the current system. the modern feminist response to this is by making "women" a class, which is the biggest criticism I have. for one thing it undermines other issues of class by dividing the workers even more (it's like the industrial union debate), but the biggest flaw is again feminism isn't about class and when you try to create a women class the focus is at fault. i'll stop here because this is derailing.

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>>20729
This is derailing the thread at this point, so please take any more feminist dialogue to the /siberia/ thread on the topic.
>i don't like this website
Why do you come here then?
>this guy don't know what he's talking about
Sure bud
>each decade of feminism essentially tries and fix the toxicity of the previous
Liberal mythology. Each 'decade' or rather wave of feminism has not tried to fix the toxicity of the previous, just double down with a different sort of toxicity, this is exactly what people like Clara Zetkin predicted and why the USSR rejected feminism and instead promoted women's rights as part of the working class. The first Western feminists were bourg movements that only got headway for the same reason general workers rights were improved - the Soviet Union's emancipatory efforts in bringing literacy and rights to its working class, gave workers unions and labour movements incentive to protest and demand rights from their corporate overlords. Thus, had the social democrats not committed to welfare capitalism, the USA and other Western states would have faced a genuine socialist revolt. So porky changed tactics, embracing populist rhetoric, co-opting movements like 'feminism' and later through the CIA, creating and controlling these ideologies that divided the working class by identity, only granting rights in superficial terms, while pitting different groups of people against each other by supporting policies that negatively impacted one group of workers to marginally 'improve' the rights/status of others, be they women, African-Americans or anything else. This started off subtly, but at this point grown into full-blown reactionary politics under the guise of 'social justice'.
>the gen-x/90s wave of feminism that tried to compete with men at their own game ie. being masculine and doing boy stuff.
That's not how feminist 'waves' are divided. First Wave was the original suffragettes, which became active from the late 1910s into the 1950s, although their origins go back to the late 19th century with people like Victoria Woodhull. The Second Wave came in the 60s and went through the 90s, with the Third Wave beginning with the turn of the century up to today.
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>>20726
didn't read lol

 No.20925

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>>20679
>>8783
I LOVE RUBY

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Guy who only became attracted to tomboys in 2019.



 No.429[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The finally of season 4 was actually pretty tight even if gentle arc was fucking dumb.
I normally dont like shounentrash but the animation and art is pretty fuckin good.
Also Eri is adorable.
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>>20904
It's part of why Jujutsu lost some popularity after initial hype, it failed to world build enough, it could have been the next Bleach, just like Black Clover sort of became the closest thing to a current Naruto.

>>20905
>no superhero or many media with super people ever exposes.
Well there are some anime and obscure comics that explore this, but they're very far and few between… part of the reason is because frankly superhero writers want cool people with cool powers in a world like ours, ignoring that a world of cool powers would lead to very different material developments, partially because that's rather boring for an action story.
>there are very few "Hero for us, villain for them" character or situations
There are a few, particularly back during the Cold War, where Soviet and Chinese antagonists had supervillains that were heroes to their country. Superman Red Son is a direct example of this even if it's a pretty lib-take on communists.

>>20911
You could say they have anticommunist brainWorm

 No.20918

>>20910
It's alright. It's like Bleach + Hunter X Hunter but urban setting. Feels less cliche somehow despite all story arcs and characters being very archetypical. A lot of character deaths and emotional tragedy unresolved, often feels high stakes, and kind of gloomy compared to other big WSJ battle manga. I recommend finishing Vs. Mahito arc before droping because it's a rough start for some people (personally I was hooked from episode 3 onwards).
Mentor figure has revolutionary ideals (against the bureaucrats of the secret society, called "higher-ups"). Endgame of one of the heroines is getting rid of a problem at a systemic level and she is shunned for it by said conservative higher-ups. Main villain is an idealist liberal turned fascist supremacist. A whole clan of reactionaries gets unapolotegically murdered and the story presents it as a good thing. Gigachad has a transgender girlfriend. Women are actual characters even if main conflict centers around the men. There's a chapter about criminal justice hating poor people. No royalty/nobility wank, though there's a lot of muh inherited superpowers from special family.
Religious organizations, inflexible old people, traditionalist conservatives, wageslaving, are all depicted as bad/evil. American military is mocked and humiliated in a recent story arc.

 No.20919

>>20918
Forget to mention that main character is a collectivist, in a sense of "I'm not special, I'm part of something larger and it's important for all of us that we fulfill our functions". Another character confronts this, mistaking him for a spooked moralist, only to later realize his devotion is genuine and coming to respect him.

 No.20920

>>20910
I've only watched the anime, but it's good/10. To me if you stop to think about it very much it starts to fall apart, but otherwise it's enjoyable

>why is there an ancient evil relic in a locker by a school if cursed objects attract curses and that's bad

>if curses are a fact of life then why does no one seem to know about them
>how can they maintain the masquerade when all kinds of impossible shit regularly happens
>what is happening elsewhere in the world if curses are a fact of life, like, where are the American sorcerers, or the Chinese, or whatever
>if curses are state knowledge then why isn't it being weaponized when curse wielding individuals can do shit like stop time, travel to other dimensions, etc
>why is this activity that is essential to protecting society at large and particularly the state being left to teenagers who have a ridiculously high attrition rate
>if bad feelings create curses why don't good feelings do anything
>if bad feelings like those that arise from the consequences of living under capitalism (poverty, hunger, stress from competition and precarity,etc) cause curses, then shouldn't social policies which alleviate these things have a direct effect on the curse population
>why is the first thing the antagonist thinks of to kill all normies in order to make a world of only sorcerers instead of achieving communism in order to drastically reduce the level of curses

Imo Chainsaw man handles it better. Maybe this stuff is explained in the manga, but being an anime onlyfag I don't know.

 No.20924

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>>20920
>why is there an ancient evil relic in a locker by a school if cursed objects attract curses and that's bad
There is a reason for this but it isn't explicitly stated and the anime portion of the story doesn't give enough context as to why.
>if curses are a fact of life then why does no one seem to know about them
It's roughly the same as real life in Japan: plenty of people claim to have seen spirits once of twice during their lifetime. Curses in JJK aren't common, and there's urgency in exorcising them. Some normies do know about curses, however. The government knows about curses and Jujutsu society, there are laws regarding this.
>how can they maintain the masquerade when all kinds of impossible shit regularly happens
They don't regularly happen, but when they do happen, veil techniques are employed.
>what is happening elsewhere in the world if curses are a fact of life, like, where are the American sorcerers, or the Chinese, or whatever
This seems to be an important plot point currently in the manga.
>if curses are state knowledge then why isn't it being weaponized when curse wielding individuals can do shit like stop time, travel to other dimensions, etc
This seems to be an important plot point currently in the manga.
>why is this activity that is essential to protecting society at large and particularly the state being left to teenagers who have a ridiculously high attrition rate
Most sorcerers are adults. Jujutsu society is not limited to Jujutsu Tech, and most sorcerers are trained within their own clans instead of Jujutsu Tech. Fushiguro implies that age is not a determining factor as to whether you can join Jujutsu Tech, but they seem to need you to be at least in your late teens.
>if bad feelings create curses why don't good feelings do anything
We still don't know much about cursed energy, there's a lot the author is leaving as a mystery. Positive energy exists, but it is not born out of positive feelings.
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 No.71[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

AMV thread
I know that AMVs aren't as big (or good) as they used to be, but I certainly think they're a lot of fun so lets enjoy the best of it!
https://www.animemusicvideos.org/home/home.php
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 No.19427

i don't think the song was good, i mean because of the religious lyrics, but this amv was very well made for a 2005 made amv, and it also won the 2006 VCA contest, which i think is a contest made for amvs on that website since there seemed to be lots of contests happening on that website

its a naruto one, and it looks good because of how well it's synced to the song and it's obvious it has a lot of effort put into it

https://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=68138

what i love about a-m-v.org website thing is that it seems like a giant time capsule from early to late 2000s. i saw the guides on that site a few weeks ago and they are interesting though lots of it seems outdated to me

https://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/

 No.19428

>>19427
Yeah that site is the (time)bomb. Although I wish it was better at linking/letting people download the files. Like for your example I can't seem to get the video to download and so I can't view it.

 No.19661

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>>88
>Masterchef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_mH4QnAe4
I still wish they used DxD's cooking scenes here from Season 1.

 No.20916

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An oldie updated



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 No.6170[Reply]

>one of the only openly pro-communist manga
>fan translators dropped it halfway through
Making this thread just to shed some light on it
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 No.17813

>>17812
>Not an actual thing.
take your meds
>It is usual rightoid shittery with plots straight out from "Enemy at the gate". They only difference is soviet aesthetics fetishism, but he is actually pretty crap about it too.
lmao i don't care about muh enemy at the gaytes, it's how history is taught literally everywhere, anyone could make those mistakes

 No.17816

>>17813
>anyone could make those mistakes
The claim was that he is pro-communist and does his research. If he describes WWII exactly as porky propaganda describes it, then neither is true, isn't it?
>take your meds
Already took them. The red (as in communist) pill. Left is an ubiquitous term, which doesn't really mean anything since even democratic party of the burgerstan calls themself such. So him calling himself a lefty doesn't really tell us anything of value about his actual views.

 No.17817

>>17804
>he's against russia in the russo-ukranian war, but he seems to be a leftist
I got this from his twitter back in March, seems like he was even in Russia during it
>i'm glad he makes manga outside of the usual wehraboo and rightoid shittery because i really like his artstyle
Yeah, the bitching ITT is why the genocidal empire is seen as cute and quirky anime fodder while the soviets are still seen as "too far" by some cucks
The guy himself seems to be into history in general

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>>17812
>It is usual rightoid shittery with plots straight out from "Enemy at the gate"
The Soviets are depicted sympathetic and more human with some typical stereotypes while the Nazis are generally more generally cartoonish villains, including the elf bitch. One of the main characters is a Jewish atheist, I'm not the one who thinks the creator is some hardened leftist, it's usually hard to tell, but I wouldn't call this "rightoid shittery".
This case of puritanism is interesting because you don't really see it in the opposite case. In Hellsing the Nazis are depicted as literal psychotic vampires but that never stops rightoids from adopting it

 No.20914

Very underrated thread and manga, even if it uses Soviet aesthetics in partiality for LARP aesthetics.



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 No.1993[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Just give me your anime hot takes. I don't care if they're retarded.
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 No.20415

>>20343
There is nothing wrong with lolicon art.

 No.20431

>>20407
But what about the class hatred against the bourgeoisie? Is that better than class hatred against the poor?

 No.20432

>>5136
I don't even know what's overhyped anymore because everyone who hypes something up says that they're not overhyping it. It's like infowars, you can't even know who's right or wrong. People get very defensive about their favorite anime so I hide in the corner until they leave me alone.

 No.20433

>>20432
But what if… What if everyone else is right and I understand nothing? But isn't that an appeal to authority? Isn't the so-called "objective quality" just a form of mass brainwashing by the critics so we agree with their opinions all the time? What if the main reason we think of something as good is because others told us it is good so we constantly force ourselves to enjoy things we otherwise wouldn't? Think about how many times our opinions are shaped by those around us.

What if quality is a spook? What if Sword Art Online is actually an underappreciated masterpiece? What if Neo-Yokio is a timeless classic?

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>>20433
>What if Sword Art Online is actually an underappreciated masterpiece? What if Neo-Yokio is a timeless classic?



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 No.12097[Reply]

Just finished this show and it has become one of my favorites. On the surface this anime appears to be trash anime packed full of fan service, but on watching it the so called "trash anime" is brimming with substance. excellent character design, badass soundtrack, and one of the satisfying endings I have seen in a long time. This show can make a scene of a butt naked woman running around killing enemy's with nothing but her toe nail feel empowering and not at all exploitative and fan servicey. What are your guys opinion on the show?
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 No.16336

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>>16220
Why exactly do you think the left is necessarily anti-titty?

>Stealing robots and fusing them to create new robots is part of the show's statement on earned individuality

This is ignoring a big part of the show to hyper-focus on one aspect of it. I don't think anyone was denying that personal development and growth was a major theme of the show, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any social commentary as well. You gonna argue that the episode where they found that underground colony that had a religion worshiping a derelict mech as a god and made sacrifices to it by sending people to the surface to presumably die when their population got too big was a commentary about "earned individuality"?

 No.16339

>>16336
>Why exactly do you think the left is necessarily anti-titty?
Not that anon by he probably fell for reactionary bullshit
The left tend to be progressive
They think progressives are anti titty and nudity
Even though rightoidz think the left are pro nudity, but only for non conventionally attractive women or some shit

 No.16345

>>16336
I don't think "earned individuality" is even the core theme of Gurren Lagann; my point is that "stealing robots = seizing the means of production" has little basis, especially when the actual show gives you a million hints as to what that element symbolizes.
>>16339
you can't with a straight face imply this stuff isn't widespread in online leftist circles, especially when people in this very thread say that nerds "missed the point" of Kill la Kill re: fanservice, compare said fanservice to American History X's portrayal of nazism & claim "you're supposed to feel bad for wanting hypersexualization of women in anime". are those supposed to be /pol/ falseflags?

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>>12097
It's been nearly 10 years and frankly I've found that the anime is not as fun or good as I remember it, tch, what growing up does to a guy.

 No.20867

>>20805
>10 years
Just put me out of my misery 💀



 No.8429[Reply]

>No Black Lagoon thread
Time to fix this.spurdoSpurdo
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 No.20820

>>11182
>(Spoiler porn)
NTA but those are just a pair of tits, not the whole image, it was never banned before.

 No.20821

>>13661
Wow that's a great twist with some impressive foreshadowing.

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>>11182
Imagine not posting Revy porn.

 No.20843

>>13661
guess dutch won in the end considering what is happening in burkina faso right now.

 No.20866

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>>20841
Forgot this one



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 No.12487[Reply]

Just so we're all on the same page, this shit was made by glowies, right? I've only seen bits of it, but it comes across as though it was made to recruit ambitious PMC women into the intelligence community.

The main character (disgustingly named 'Reagan') seems to be custom-crafted to get women to wish to identify with her. She's both more clever and less naive than everyone around her, yet at the same time cooler, more charismatic, and less inhibited. She is a girlboss and drops constant zingers around all the male characters putting them in their place. It's made clear she is sexually appealing to men and out of their league most of the time and is only sexless due to her le epic quirky nerdiness. She has an edgy backstory that gives her feelings of victimization towards her father and is simultaneously highly narcissistically indulging (her father tried to make her perfect through a combination of training and genetic engineering). Many of the plots and scenes seem to revolve around her particular neuroses and emotions, giving them an air of outsized importance. Over and over it is driven home that she is cool and gets to do cool shit due to power, privilege, and nepotism.

Thoughts on this?
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 No.20849

>>12506
>let's only talk about decades old shit that has been talked to death
amazing idea

 No.20853

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>>20849
>old shit
NTA but the point is that it's NOT shit
>talked to death
Every person can bring something new to the table, and just because somewhere, sometime ago, someone talked about an animated film/series, doesn't mean that other people won't want to talk about it or discuss about it, or hell even reminisce.

At the very least something of quality is a better topic of discussion than an obvious shitshow that the conversation over which is summarized by laughing at it and pointing out how same-faced it is compared to similar "adult" animations.

 No.20854

>>12490
I'd say western animation seems to have more diverse art styles than the typical manga style of Japanese but I wouldn't say it's superior or inferior as a rule

 No.20860

>>12490
>western animation
>generally superior
>culturally accessible
I CAN SMELL THE BURGER FROM A MILE AWAY

 No.20861

theres only "western animation" (mainstream burger tv cartoons) and the rest (the anime shows i dislike)



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 No.4167[Reply]

Well that was bad. Wasted potential as it's usual with many shows.

Most baffling parts were the deuteragonist working the big rich mafia guy that pits the poor to kill each other as a sport among other things and the "if you kill him you'll be as bad as him" at the end. Then there's the convenient powers the main couple exhibit to solve the big issue at the end.

Trigger hasn't been good since it was called Gainax, huh.
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 No.20842

>>20839
Sure I can loser, just because you're seething, doesn't mean normalcy doesn't exist. Now please stop projecting about guns to your head onto others and take your anti-depressants.

>>20840
>magicless, music hating muggles
>imagine unironically using Harry Potter memes ripped off of plebbit and thinking they actually applicable to real life

>normal people waste their lives in loveless marriages as they grind away their humanity working as middle managers drinking shitty domestic beer

That's a nice strawman there, burger-man, trouble is that's not true. Normal human lives aren't actually like your soap-operas y'know.

 No.20859

>>20842
>i'm so normal i'm so normal everyone should be normal like me don't do anything i don't like you've got to be normal or else you're bad stop acting like the problem is with me not with you i'm normal i'm normal i'm normal

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>>20859
>strawman schizopost cope because I said normalcy is a real concept
LMAO, seethe harder

 No.20870

>>20868
normal people dont talk like this :)

 No.20985

yeah



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 No.11583[Reply]

>but jet, you are black and you are male
>WELCOME TO THE OUCH, MOTHERFUCKERS
<everything about Vicious
<all of faye's soy-banter dialogue
<Ed's actor getting done dirty with cringe direction and cringe costume design
<tying everything in to the syndicate unintentionally making the world feel that much smaller and therefore less interesting
<dutch angles fucking everywhere
<Julia becomes a power-hungry asshole with almost no in-universe character motivation given
<the entire sequence of mad pierrot hacking into ein's brain
<Vicious magically knows about Jet's daughter when we're given every indication to believe he's been obsessively focused on his coup d'etat leaving all of his dealings regarding looking for Spike and his associates entirely to the viewer's speculation
<the green screen for spike falling out the church window looks like absolute ass
<the hilariously placed "PORN" sign during the rooftop fight with Hakim
<the scene in the S&M dungeon that felt like something out of a 2000s National Lampoon comedy
<detailing the spike/vicious/julia backstory ends up backfiring because it takes what was initially something mysterious and partially left to viewer interpretation and turns it into something that comes off incredibly ham-fisted and unjustifiably stupid on every single character's part

why, anons
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 No.20777

>>12777
>777
>Japanese live action adaptations remind me that real people look fucking retarded imitating mannerisms from anime.
Checked and based. Saw clips from the theatrical of Spirited Away and I was wincing the entire time at how poorly Miyazaki's story translates into a costume performance.

 No.20778

>>20777
>20777
>replying to 12777
I swear I wasn't trying to get GETs, LMAO

 No.20855

Speaking of Bebop, the movie Knocking on Heaven's Door was in theatres August 15 but I couldn't go see it, fucking annoyed as hell tbh.

 No.20856

It's the same production company doing the One Piece live action that drops in two weeks btw.

 No.20857

>>20856
One Piece leaks are already out on torrents, though the company is shutting them down fast.

The One Piece trailer is a mixed bag, but it's probably gonna be more fun.



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