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"Cheap hack of a writer's guide to creating a morally ambigous antagonist:"
>Have a character be a smug self-centered asshole for 80% of the story
>Have him ally with the main baddie and commit some war crimes
>Have him turn on the main baddie after realising that the main baddie had killed their favorite dog (or is going to kill their favorite dog soon)
>Help the main characters for one or two scenes and then be killed by the main baddie
>The main characters in the epilogue are shown standing besides his grave and musing "He wasn't a bad person, after all. Such a tragedy!"

Post examples of this which had annoyed you the most. Shounen genre specifically is ripe with them, isn't it?
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>>30379
>>30382
To continue, people express more immediate vitriol for minor antagonists.
Bad isn't punished for evil, but rather for weakness or lacklustre.

That's why Orochimaru is allowed to live.

>>30383
Orochimaru is figuratively exactly what I said about vengeance, he's kept alive to stop le circle of hatred, that is the narrative reason

>>30384
"Stop the violence" is just an excuse.
People have more contempt for Obito, because of his motives for avenging a beloved female comrade

>>30386
You can't say it's an excuse and then defend vengeance, that's ridiculous, obito was also pardoned post death, that was the entire point of the last fight between naruto and sasuke, that "bad" people are forced by their circomstances (some people here would say material conditions), he wasn't even killed, he sacrificed himself
If you only mean readers talking bad about him, it's mostly because he had ONE death and lost his fucking marbles even tho he still had a village, a family, other friends etc, when pretty much every ninja in the series also had to witness somebody dying at some point in their lives.

>>30390
>If you only mean readers talking bad about him, it's mostly because he had ONE death and lost his fucking marbles even tho he still had a village, a family, other friends etc, when pretty much every ninja in the series also had to witness somebody dying at some point in their lives.

Readers hated on Sasuke for not conforming to. Naruto's idealism in the beginning.

I just notice that MCs who aren't positive goof balls that easily turn the other cheek are seen as monsters.

Hakuryuu Ren from Magi: Labyrinth of Magic
He had witnessed his brothers being killed in a house fire started by his mom, Gyokuen (who was possessed by Arba).

He wanted to avenge his brothers and the fandom hate him for his cynicism



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I lurked across many anime forums, and at this point I don’t think there’s any interesting discourse to be had, leftist or rightist, regarding anime. Of course, due to Sturgeon’s law, few anime are actual gems. But that’s not the point. The point is that:

Is there any point in re-hashing the same old arguments.

Last time I remember, the only engaging discourses among weebs were about Frieren and Drama Queen, but for different reasons.

Frieren moreso for its depiction of demons and its comparisons to Tolkien’s orcs. For those who don’t know, a YouTuber named Lextorias made an hour-long video discussing the narrative problems with demons and the manga’s/anime’s inconsistent portrayal of demons as being absolutely evil, explaining via both in-story and authorial reasons for it, coming to the conclusion that Frieren’s demons are just a badly-written species. What was the reaction to it? Chuds coming out in defense of the series and attacking Lextorias with the kind of arguments he himself predicted and criticised in his own video: https://www.lextorias.com/references/frieren-dilemma/

Suffice to say, he singlehandedly managed to create an entire discourse that lasted for days in Twitter as culture war BS.

Coming up next is Drama Queen, a manga that is yet to be adapted into an anime, and highly unlikely. It’s about humans living alongside with aliens who saved them from an asteroid impact. It would’ve been another slice of life manga if it wasn’t for the fact that it caught weebs’ attention due to the MCs being sociopaths who hate the aliens and are contracted by a shady org that makes a profit off of killing the alien residents whose head is a dude with a double life as an “anti-racist” professor, with said aliens being pompous and arrogant foreigners who are taking up human life.
Long story short, people caught on it as a Japanese commentary on modern immigration to Japan with said aliens being allegory for immigrants. Which immigrants (white expats, Chinese house buyers, US troops, POC non-Japanese immigrants, etc…) is debated, but it’s clearly about immigration from a right-wing POV so far, although we’ll see how it goes since the story is still being published.

But yh, there’s no interesting discussion to be had as these themes have already been discussed to death on mainstream social media.

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>>30141
Another major problem with anime discussion which is also rampant in western media is the constant criticism about Mary Sue

People seem to have a deep hatred for perfect characters unless they’re villians

Everyone wants the main characters to be homely naive goofballs for “relatability”

>>30365
No, the most vocal people in anime circles are the group that deepthroat OP Mcs that curbstomp with zero efforts anything that comes accross them, they just stay in their circlejerk so you pretend only their opponents exist.
Also gives one (1) anime with a perfect Mc that's actually good and not hurt by the MC OP-ness (like slime datta ken, which kills any tension or fight by having rimuru fix everything in the middle)

>>30381
Most of those OP MCs that are worshipped are the snarky ass goofballs

As for your second paragraph, idk.

>>30385
What ? So you want a story where the guy is perfect, but also le stoic gigachad about it ? You should read dante's inferno then lol

>>30387
One Punch Man was close to the mark of the perfect MC that's a stoic gigachad



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I once wrote a post speculating on the causes behind the rise of isekai and how the evolution of Japanese anime reflects societal changes in Japanese society beginning from its economic boom of the 1980s, but I’m not sure if it holds up in 2025-2026. Since I’m unfamiliar with otome-type isekai that is targeted to a female audience, I omitted it from my post. Anyway, here’s the main text:

You ever notice how most modern manga/anime releases are isekai or LitRPG slop? That isn’t random, and it isn’t just “bad writing.” It reflects who the audience is and what kind of society they’re living in.
The core consumer base is overwhelmingly struggling, isolated Japanese men in their 20s–30s (and increasingly older), often single, often overworked, often priced out of meaningful adulthood in one of the most expensive urban environments on earth. Many of them peaked socially in high school, before rent, career stagnation, and demographic collapse set in. Their main leisure activity is gaming — especially Western medieval fantasy RPGs — so the fantasy worlds they escape into are already familiar.
That’s why isekai looks the way it does. It isn’t about originality or artistic ambition; it’s about frictionless escapism. These stories let readers imagine themselves transported into a sanitized West European fantasy theme park where their accumulated gaming literacy suddenly becomes power, status, and sexual access. The protagonist can’t really fail, can’t meaningfully struggle, and can’t be morally challenged — because that would defeat the point.
This is also why isekai protagonists are so aggressively generic: They aren’t “protagonists” in the literary sense, as much as the voiceless and character-less player character typical of games like Pokemon Red. The less personality, the easier the self-insert. The less social embeddedness, the easier the exit from real life. These characters aren’t written as humans so much as interfaces.
Are there good isekai? Yes — Digimon, Re:Zero, a handful of others — but they’re exceptions precisely because they violate the unspoken contract of the genre by insisting on consequence, trauma, or actual character development. Most isekai avoids humanity altogether, because humanity introduces risk.
A lot of people blame “shut-in authors with no life experience,” but that’s only half the story. The bigger issue is the ecosystem.
Most isekai originate on web novel platforms that reward speed, familiarity, and Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>29835
if you are not baiting you are hilariously full of yourself. you spent less time working on your post than you expect people to spend reading it. the only thing that could explain your ridiculous arrogance is you believing you are actually the center of the universe, and i hope a fatal and painful accident comes and disproves that notion as soon as possible, you stupid faggot.

>>29836

Wow, you truly are miserable if you feel compelled to send me a death threat out of nowhere. Getting this worked up over a rando post by an anon, when you could have easily ignored it if you really thought it was that bad. Says more about you than me ngl. At least I did get some replies out of it FWIW.

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>>29833
>perhaps you shouldn’t have any issues with linking anything on this board
NTA but there's LITERALLY an Isekai thread with these points being made numerous times by numerous people. And the Evangelion thread and the ANIMETA thread and the Animator thread. Use Catalog you textwalling, rambling uyghur.

>Or why isekai and fantasy are now more prominent than ever
youre like 5 years late you substack larper

>>29825
This. All the complaints about isekai are the same people who indulge in shonen all day, cheering on antiheroes and stuff which is more escapist and idealistic than iseakai



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What the fuck even is the point of harem series? Aren't most of them just romance but with an even greater chance of blueballing you?
Yeah, it SEEMS like pure wish fulfillment, but it isn't even good at that because in most shows there's only relentless teasing instead of any actual romance and the MC only ends up with one of the candidates anyway.
The only explanation I can come up with is that it's just a way to increase the appeal (and thus commercial potential) of a standard romance series by cramming it with different archetypes. Either that or anime fans just love getting teased with no real guarantee of a reward, which would explain a lot, actually.
(Also) This thread is for all the harem anime, manga, light novels/virtual novels etc. Post your Favorite Anime, Favorite Scenes, What you like about them, memes, discussion, lewds and anything in between.
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>>27137
Harem animes been popular for decades

>>27137
>I have yet to see that.
bro is blind :skull_emoji:

>>24315
>>21167
Files restored

Why is there so much animosity towards male psychosexual gratification?
We never get much criticism about reverse harems

>>26896
Average male ≠ incel loser
Incel losers would be shut ins



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I was watching a cartoon from my child and realized that the saturday morning cartoon generation lucked out. Other than some outliers like avatar or adventuretime, the good stuff was 90s-early naughty aughties. This is not just nostalgia but demonstrably true as merch from these cartoons is still popular as ever for kids. I work as a substitute teacher and they still watch our old cartoons and it's actually super weird, I didn't watch captain kangaroo or whatever boomer crap my mom watched when i was a kid.

Batman Beyond Yeah, Batman is a billionaire who has kids running around in tights in his mansion and beats up environmentalists and poor people. But I'll always love the gimmicks and his "rouge's gallery" has the best gimmicks.
Batman Beyond he's not rich he's just a regular kid living in a much cooler dystopia than the one we wound up with. The animation and voice acting are both top notch.
Gargoyles- From the same animation bloc, with some legendary voice acting from Keith David, Marina Sirtis, Jonathan Frakes. A very 'serious' show that Disney wants us to forget that they ever produced.
ReBoot Ever what wonder what life inside a computer would be like if all the 0s and 1s were sentient? Well, a show like this will make a tech nerd scream but it's one of several quality early 3d CGI coming out of Canada during this period.
Animaniacs It's honestly amazing how much SFW 'adult' humor was snuck into these shows. I think I learned more about popculture from Wakko, Yakko, and Dot than anywhere else.
The SlayersThe first "real" anime I saw and it got me interested in anime and d&d style worlds.Pretty thought out lore and universe.

So what are yours comradanons
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>>30050
anime really did fall off in the 2010s though, the decade of cool Japan trying to be a cultural soft power released banger after banger.

pic is 2006 spring anime release and it's just stacked.

>>30106
no hellsing ultimate?

>>30106
This has the same kinda shit that was in the 2010s though.

I miss the 2010s.
Boku No Hero, Magi: Labyrinth Of Magic, Merman In My Tub, Haikyuu, etc

>>30059
>First Tom and Jerry short: 1940
>Captain Kangaro: 1955
Did they take some time to air Tom and Jerry on TV? Because even then it should be from around the same time.

>>29958
Why is it so weird to be greenlit as kids entertainment? I think it’s the most relatable.



 

gunsmith cats full anime on youtube
>In the dangerous suburbs of Chicago, skilled bounty hunters Irene "Rally" Vincent and "Minnie" May Hopkins run Gunsmith Cats, a firearms store of questionable legality. One day, Bill Collins, an agent for the Chicago branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, blackmails Rally and May into working with him on a case. The stakes are high, but Rally’s gunmanship and May’s knowledge of explosives are unmatched. As Rally and May unravel the secrets of the case, the two will need to use guns and grenades while being faster, stronger, and better than everyone else in order to stay alive.
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>>27967
They are lesbians in my mind


>>27971
>>27967
mods need to move the thread to >>>/lgbt/

bump after an entire year

>>27971
And people wanna complain about sexualisation of female anime characters



 

women in western animation:
+ Allowed to be ugly;
+ Tastefully sexualized when appropriate (IMO);
  • Not allowed to be stupid;
  • Very oftenly "Mary Sues";


women in japanese animation:
+ Allowed to be stupid;
+ Are oftenly nuanced characters;
  • Not allowed to be ugly;
  • Frequently sexualized to an obnoxious extent;


THOUGHTS?!?!???!?!?!?!!???!?!??!!?!???!?!!
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>>30206
👁️Tourist👁️

animoid genocide

Western animation women aren’t allowed to be Mary Sues. At least not in post-1980s animation.

Also, they’re not really allowed to be ugly much either

>>30206
I think you’ve been watching too many rant vids about “fanservice”
I never get this much whining about seuxalisation of western cartoon females. In fact, it’s often celebrated

Also let’s not forget that male characters are also sexualised in anime but nobody cares about that

>>30174
People who complain about sexualisation of anime characters are just touch-starved neopuritans



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>male does something perverted
>female angry
>female hits the male
I love anime but sometimes I wonder if one nuke wasn't enough.
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>>26650
It IS a classic, in the sense that everything you don't like about harem anime, Love Hina is directly responsible for.

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>>25771
Dragon Ball did it best because Toriyama is a huge Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry fan from the seems of it + the show being a goofy parody of Wuxia leads to more creative jokes, even with that same set up and/or punchline.

>>25771
>muh zoomers

Let’s not act as if though millennials aren’t like this.

>>25769
Can we cook it with the “Japan should’ve been nukes more” jokes?
Does anime really piss you off that much?

>>26645
>>26652
What’s with the hate for the harem trope?

>>25770
Nowhere near as bad as western animation, particularly Adult Swim type

>>25846
>>25833
>whining about muh zoomers for cliche flaws that millennials had



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Dandadan - best new shonen, or overrated zoomer garbage?

Personally I'm enjoying it despite almost dropping it in episode 1 due to portrated sexual violence. A side question is to anyone who reads the manga, is it worth the time for somebody who isnt a huge manga reader and usually only reads the manga of my absolute favourite anime?
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>>29902
>the JPC is outright bankrolling Spy x Family
Whatchu talkin about

>>26234
I'd describe it more as InuYasha meets FLCL.

I think that might be why it's the only mainstream Battle Shounen/Nekketsu I like. Because it's not a battle shounen, it's an awkward Rumiko Takahashi-esque teen romance tale that just happens to have cool fights. No power-scaling bullshit (yet) even if it got real close with that three-eyed-demon guy. Just goofy bullshit.
>>26258
*Male* adolescent fiction.

>>26524
That’s not exactly true.
Shonen does rely on exaggerated behavioral archetypes of teenagers
Also there really isn’t much difference between teens and twenties outside of social conditioning.

I also hate the “act their age” expectations that society wants of fictional teen characters

>>26532
YA is literally teens and tweens

>>26524
I feel that the behavioral realism you’re mentioning is due to social conditioning.
Teens can be emotional dysfunctional but it’s not due to their age but rather the contemporary culture.

Especially in our post-1980s culture where awkwardness and unworldlyness is promoted as essential for youth

I actually prefer the other shonen characters you mention that aren’t “real” for this reason

>>28841
This.
Especially when everyone wants to glaze the flaws of previous franchises compared to those of new ones



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One Piece is leftist
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>>30065
I hate pedoshit and lolicon but this is a hell of a reach for a number of reasons.
1) Early marriages have happened throughout history and she's not even that young relative to age of consent in many countries outside the USA.
2) Actually she was 16 when she married him and had her daughter with him when she was 19

One Piece is for kids. Sure, there’s a lot of gore, but fundamentally it’s basically the weeaboo version of LOTR, and both are idealist children’s tales, moreso LOTR since it began with The Hobbit.

>>30065
I’m amazed that people still go apeshit about fictional teens getting married to slightly older people but are ok with fictional teens being groomed into soldiers

>>19898
Didn’t they release season one of the live action adaptation already?
Or was that another platform?

>>30302
You're replying to a post from 3 years ago

>>30021
>Isn't a woman
We've been betrayed



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