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So we all agree this is going nowhere, right? There are no meaningful agreements here, no progress, no development. It‘s just eternal disagreements with no productive resolution. We are just passing time until whatever happens with this species happens, are we on the same page?
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>>32046
>This is the failure of your thinking
well EXCUSE ME mr smarty pants
exploitation is the process in which the bourgeois extract surplus value from labor, it doesnt distinguish between salaries and working conditions
>That very productivity is wrapped up in the commodity-form.
sure, but commodities existed before capitalism
the application of machinery and technology to satisfy needs responds to a social form of production. its not an unchangeable, omnipotent, perpetual mystical essence. if anything, a needs-based social form of production could further perfection efficiency and the distribution of resources, since, for example, people who would otherwise break their backs trying to make ends meet would be able to receive technological training
>You can imagine differently but thats my total belief.
fascists are wackos and scammers. they are outside the political spectrum, even the material form! SPIRITUAL REVOLUTION or something. but at the same time, the world just be like that, nothing to be done about it
>The stage of nationalising profits is desirable as a sublation of private profits
this is just a change of hands. patriotic corporations are totally different from international financiers, trust me bro
>central planning is communist retardation.
didnt your mom teach you manners? planification already occurs in the private sphere, what matters is who plans and what for

>>32046
>A guy behind a counter doesnt PRODUCE anything
oh and i agree with this, but thats a different issue than what we were talking about

Central planning of the economy is fundamental for a functioning economy

>>32047
>exploitation is the process in which the bourgeois extract surplus value from labor
And its not possible to extract more or less surplus value by unpaid Value realised in the sale of commodities? If i pay one guy $5/hr and another $10/hr for the same job im not exploiting one more?
I would argue that all societies (all economies) as built on this very reserve of unpaid labour, whether its in the workplace or the home.
>sure, but commodities existed before capitalism
Yes ofc. They are a transhistorical fact of economic life, and the idea of overcoming them by overcoming exchange and thus returning to communist conditions of creating mere use-values is pithy speculation and marx's weakest area of conceptualising history.
>a needs-based social form of production could further perfection efficiency and the distribution of resources
We already have public services which sublate aspects of the market. Whats unfortunate though is that a lot of them are shit, not in principle, but in practice, because there is no social/national self-conception.
The japanese for example have universal healthcare, but thats because they are a "people" proper and promote a healthy culture (diet wise), so dont fill up waiting lists and so on. Other cultural things like the unpaid labour of students cleaning their school up or their domestic gerontocracy bypassing needs for pension funds also add to the integral wholeness of their economy. I dont think my country should be like japan, but its always good to learn.
>planification already occurs in the private sphere, what matters is who plans and what for
Uh, sorting accounts isnt "central planning". Its regulation, which is a further sublation of market contradictions. I support regulations, does that make me a commie goon? Be critical.
>>32048
Its exactly what we've been discussing.

>>31984
>we don’t get off on wasting our time pointlessly antagonizing other communities

And this is a bad thing how? I got shit to do, I’m not wasting my time with dumbfuck meme war bullshit



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>no /work/ /worker/ /wagie/ board
>no resources or help for workers aside from one shitty career thread that gets buried
>even weebs have their own /anime/ board

this is the prime example of modern leftism.
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>>32131
thats not how it works. not everyone on career is going to find those interesting and theyre topics that should have their own post each

either merge akm tech with edu. And games anime music draw with hobby. or give me my /labor/ board

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there that look so bad

No but there should be a /gulag/ and I will personally shove you into it.

>>32136
/meta/ used to be called gulag



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The "home" page still says Bunkerchan: https://leftypol.org/

It no longer does.



 

Ok, so here is my rant about the "information culture" on leftypol:
You know what's funny? People on this site who want to strengthen their arguments by sharing links to Youtube videos. No, I will not watch your "educational" video. If you want to convince me, post a link to an article! Yes, text is superior to video. We should actually ostracise people who post here links to Youtube videos. Video is the medium of emotional manipulation, while acquiring information via text is much more analytic and distraction free. Text is pure information, video is a huge neon pile of shit which contains nearly no informational value. In short: Fuck video posters.
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text can be emotional and can manipulate info, too

>>31877
>autechre
hell yeah

>>31877
Embeds are good so you don't needlessly waste this website's storage space and bandwidth on your 70 mb mp4s.

>>31885
Speaking of, can the devs expand the embed system? Is it possible to get Twitter embedded as well? I saw on crystal.cafe they have tik tok embeds.

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As someone who occasionally links to video to back up my points, I strongly agree that text is preferable.
I guess I have the itch to link to my first source I got the information from, since that is my source in a strict sense. The little bit of effort needed to find something in text that conveys that same point would absolutely be worth it though; from an accessability standpoint, and just having multiple sources is a good practice regardless of medium. If I don't have the energy to do that, I probably shouldn't be having discussions that require linking to sources when I should be resting.

I suppose a comprimize would be to link to an article AND the video you originally got your point from, so the other party can take their pick. Do this enough and you may get most of your opinions originally from text sources, and thus no longer have this issue.



 

I have been banned for a month for saying Al Shifa has not been destroyed when the rocket chimpout haplened. I have been banned for stating an obvious fact that everyvody knew was true. Arent mods supposed to be impartial and not ban people based on what they dont like hearing but those who break rules? Literally why was I banned?



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What's the deal? I used to use 420chan (and coincidentally this site too) a lot in my faggy embittered youth and now I've found when you type in 420chan.org you get redirected to here. What's the deal?

Mate I don't bloody know. Ask Fred.




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I forgotten where I kept the June meeting notes, so I decided to just post all meeting notes from here on out.

Derail this thread at your own peril. I will not play nice like the other mods.


Meeting Report 03/07/22

New Moderation Drive to be determined soon. To ease burden on active members

-Make mod posts in LATAM and Africa threads to encourage applicants from these regions as their NA and EU counterparts are most active
-Must be done before American Midterms really begins to counter the flood of new users in NA region


Finalization of Ban Lengths.

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>31731
We have succeeded in debunking anarchism and converting them.over to the truth. Seethe, liberal

>>31717
>If you guys want to react to the meetings, can you at least make a separate thread for it? I won’t entertain any more discussion in a thread that is meant to be an archive.
Communication is key - if this is meant to be an archive, can you also adjust the OP to state that?
Before making a new thread, is there any existing place where users can not merely react, but discuss and make suggestions towards the direction of the site, if not the meeting thread? The moderation thread sticky is clearly no good because only about two or three mods bother reading it, with one seemingly just on the board to troll anyone who got collateral'd by rangebans. It's just frustrating seeing this site taking the time to get together just to act like an out-of-touch manager, ordering pizzas to placate the complaints about exposed wires and leaky roofs, because someone's gone through the complaint box and burned the all ones they don't like.

wait I read that as manager of a pizza place
meh doesn't matter

>>31717
>Can you post some screenshots or make a new thread?
Plz not another thread. Simple suggestions months ago to make tor posts text only (when necessary) or to pre-approve them were ignored or never got any traction. Instead spam and drama was allowed to happen on the tor node. Now tor users are singled out with a tag which ridiculously defeats the purpose of using the node. Could someone take responsibility for this because it seems like an unnecessary drama?

>>31763
We are already working on making a Big Brother (working title)
He will take responsibility for everything.



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This mod has been consistently banning people unfairly, excessively, while only providing vague reasons for it.
For me, I always get bans only from him on bogus nonesense, which gets immediately revoked, when other mods look at it. Seeing picrel, I'm not the only one, who has complained about this.
It's aggravating getting all my posts in a thread, including the effort ones, deleted. Even after unbanning, they remain gone.

This guy is clearly unqualified for moderation, since he abuses his power constantly to silence people he doesn't personally like.
Please, PLEASE do something finally! 🙏
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>>31721
>scat porn and gore
Sorry, but I am not insane enough to save such shit on my devices.

>>31722
Copy-pasted images aren't saved

>>31718
die mad about it
master blaster runs barter town

>>31724
Ah yes sounds like something I'd say

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hey, just wanted to congratulate the mods (more like gods(?!!??!)) on ur good job, and on the ghostbuster stirner thing, which amused me. Round of applause 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

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All according to plan



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I believe the LGBT general should be on the main board, just perhaps without the suggestive OPs. My thoughts are such: I understand why the thread is on siberia, since it avoids the idpol discussion and puts us away from the worst of the homophobes. But this just feels like LGBT people have been quitely hidden away as to not cause drama with the anti-idpol crowd. It's a bit like someone who won't go out with their trans partner or mention the relationship to anyone because they don't want to worry about being stigmatised. There are also a lot of users who do not frequently go on siberia, so having the thread here means it isn't representing all of the queer people using the website, which is what it should be doing. There are at least as many, and almost certainly more, LGBT people who rebound away from the website because of the lack of totally clear representation as there would be socially conservative people who would shake their heads and leave because of it. Lastly, and I understand that this is just my own ideological perspective, and I even sympathis with the anti-idpol stance, but I think that minorities such as LGBT+ people should be targeted for socialist mobilization due to their marginalised positions, and we especially need proletarian queer spaces in order to achieve this. Even if it will cause trouble with a certain crowd, it is only fair to have the LGBT general on the main board.

Thanks for reading. If I could just add an adendum, I'd also like to say that there is a lot of casual misogyny across the website (I am not talking about the virgin threads). It infects people's normal speech. I know I'm sounding slightly like a dreaded SJW, but the subtle and totally unconscious misogyny is very grating. A more obvious part of it are words like 'roastie', but it is almost always much quieter than that. I'm unsure about a solution applicable to this website. Certainly, liberalism has no answer. The only real way is total revolution in society to eradicate unconscious patriarchy. If we really want to go beyond identity politics, we need total egality, and this sort of language and, more dangerously I fear, way of thinking, is not conducive to such egality. I don't like complaining about a problem and not having a solution, but I'm poasting anyway so there you go.
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There's a reason /isg/ and the war containment generals are on /leftypol/: It's the news addict board.

I feel like once we reach the point where other leftypol-like boards pop up that aren't splinters, they'll just have a /siberia/ board since it's basically sufficient to the purpose of having a /leftypol/ board while being relatively civilized and chill. Also "/[thing]-pol/: [thing] politically incorrect" is just begging for reactionaries.

Also LBGTQ+ people existing isn't idpol, so I'm partially assuming this is falseflagging, else really poorly thought out wording.

Agree on being more restrictive with misogyny around the site. Disagree with moving the thread. It's low volume and it's mostly just not political. I've tried to bring in queer Marxist theory but there isn't enough volume to keep the discussion afloat.

We need more queers.

>>31567
quality over quantity

For the record: OP asked in the LGBT general and the response was completely negative.

>>31554
Other posters and myself already told you why this is a bad idea. Go find another website that caters to what you want.



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