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Why is the Matrix server not end to end encrypted?

Whoever has rights to this room should enable end to end encryption.

I understand that because there are around 300 users in the room at current count you might think that this doesn't give much security but actually it gives more than you think.

First of all if the users are using the public matrix .org server, and then that server is a counterparty and can read all of the messages. Why let them? And the same is true of any other public or semi public server.

And even in the case where it's a law enforcement who for whatever stupid reason wants to see, having them end to end encrypted makes the investigation more costly because they have to find somebody with the key who is willing to share it. That's not hard to do when you got 300 people to go through but it is definitely work and won't get done in an hour, probably has a turn around time around 6 for the feds.

Finally there is the point that ISPs can read all the messages. It's just not smart to leave it off
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Interesting points, thanks. I did not know that there was some limitation as to the number of users that you could have within an encrypted group. This makes me think that the implementation that Matrix itself is using is wrong because typically what you want to do is make a single key for the room, and then just encrypt that key, which is itself a private key that gives you access, against all of the users that have access. This way you only have to actually encrypt the messages once, the same as in a small group.

Some systems do rotation as well, for example when users are leaving and joining it might rotate the key either every time that happens or every 10 minutes, whichever takes longer.



Looking at this page I understand perfectly why it's so difficult, but this doesn't really mean their implementation is wrong, it's just maximally secure which is okay for small groups but not good for large groups as you said.


And by the way I have no particular security concern. That isn't the point, the point is I don't believe in giving people any more data than they're entitled to, and so I didn't see a reason that all the various counterparties here should get data that they otherwise would not if the option were just how I thought it worked.

Thanks for explaining.


In practice, anyone who isn't a complete retard could get access to the chat. So e2e encryption might even be harmful by giving the impression of offering privacy. Anything you post there and here should be considered public. For 98+% of people, you can call your local FBI agency, NSA, etc, tell them you're a leftist, post on 4pol your address and political affiliations and literally nothing will happen to you.

I still think you should try to be private and secure, but the paranoia is sometimes blown out of proportion.


>In practice, anyone who isn't a complete retard
Kinda a funny point.
Thankfully we've never had an enemy, such as they are, who wasn't an absolute retard. But the possibility shouldn't be disregarded to keep safe.


The "IQ of a mentally challenged pug" filter already excludes like 80% of the problematic people lmao

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>"Leftism" is a bad descriptor that reinforces the "left-right" garbage.
>"Anti-capitalism" is a more accurate, direct, and less vague descriptor.
petition to rename /leftypol/ to /nocappol/ frfr ong /shitpost


yea anticapitalism is so accurate it encapsulates shit like people wanting to retvrn to feudalism


imo tbh desu leftism works fine as a general descriptor for political ideologies honestly. anti-capitalism is not more accurate, as the other guy pointed out, plus there are capitalists welcome here like sucdems and progressive liberals that aren't class pilled yet. leftism as a general quality is what distinguishes us from other right wing imageboards


but that would make /prc/ off-topic


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So many polisci people have been tricked into believing left-right typology is a real empirical metric and not a subjective characterization of more complex trends.


lmao but /isg/ and /USApol/ not
probably cause you are the guy shitting them up all day, right. what a fucking retarded post

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wvoobly you utter fascist
why did you delete the laser posts in /usapol/
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The state has finite resources with which to monitor and control the population. A maniac sowing chaos and lasering random people draws those resources away from combating hostile political groups.

As Mao said: "Everything under heaven is utter chaos. The situation is excellent.".

Of course, jannies who were crypto-liberal larpers who's objectives revolve around the bullshit emitted by Judith Butler would be hostile to anything that might upset the existing social order, despite publicly denying their support for said social order.


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New laseranon dropped


I actually love and respect laserbro but he could probably get a little more subtle with his fedposting which some nerds think is LE BAD


he's not even white, he's a native guy. he just has schizo beliefs about jewish people
this but unironically

proles and especially lefties should be knowledgeable in any and all military technology


>he's a native guy
What reason would you have to believe that? His own word? You know believing the mentally infirm is a path to not a very good mental state yourself. But what do I know? I just do this as a hobby.

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peepees aren't even a right wing thing anymore, we fought long and hard and veiny to claim them for ourselves. why can i post peepees in my parasocial leftist streamers' chat but can't post them in here? this is literally george foreman's 1984

can we at least unban peepos? They're so cute :C


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100% agree. Free the peepo


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Honestly pepes aren't even a problem anymore outside of the two in pic related. The zeitgeist has dropped the frog in favour of le jaks and variations including le blonde bearded chad.


It happened for the second time, that I was banned from all boards based on a falsehood.
The first time was for alledged ban-evasion and the second supposed "low-effort" posting.
The first case was luckily reversed. The second one's appeal was denied, which is a first. I had to wait till my unfair ban expired to even post here (24 hours).
I find this all boards ban dangerous, extremely excessive in my cases and impractical. Especially the first one would have meant a 6 week ban if it weren't withdrawn. I would have had no means to communicate to the staff that this ban was wrong, since I'd be also banned from /meta/.
This wasn't the case in past bans for me, so I have to ask, why such severe punishment is being made for minor offenses now. In my cases, they weren't even justified. The appeal box only lets in very few characters to explain oneself, which I also find bad.

Apart from this, some mods seem to have a grudge against me, since pretty much 90% of my past bans were completely unjustified, and were always quickly reversed after my appeals.
I'd suggest you to look into this issue, because it seems some mods are abusing their power here. I've also seen this happen to other posters like IronFelix. His views in the Ukraine general aren't bad or rule-breaking by any means (from what I've seen, since mods delete posts without leaving any red texts like they used to), but only unpopular among Zisters, which leads to him getting banned all the time, while actual trolls remain for hours shitting up the thread. Sometimes, they even get a warning before banning for repeated rule violation.

This is ridiculous.
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they allow themselves, simple


This I already explained above. I only ban absolute psychos from all boards but it's like >95% of the modding I do so sometimes muscle memory kicks in.


Please be more careful from now on.


I mean I'll try me dude


miss use this

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Mainline KurobaEx support now please.


Really, no one?


a) When a new thread is made, do not delete the thread in the last position, and delete the least active thread (basically whichever thread has the oldest last reply)
b) Permasage cyclicals so they stop clogging the first page (they won't get deleted for being at the bottom thanks to A)
c) Automatically prune threads when they go X days without a reply, saged or not
d) Now channers will stop whining whenever sage is used too
e) Maybe increase reply limit to 1000 posts?


Oh and add links to the cyclicals in the board's description for easy access.


>Basically what happens anyways short of large-scale usage of the sage function by users
>Has been considered but denied cause visibility of generals stops newbs from instantly making shitty threads which belong in those generals. Instead, there will eventually be a tag system which you can filter generals out through.
>Also been considered, but since if there is ever a mass-bump raid deleting the posts resets the thread's position on the catalog, it was figured to be not necessary.
>Reply limit was reduced because thread load times were lagging people's computers and causing glitchy behavior from the site.


Seriously a ban to the 25th just for that?




No what?


Ah nm thanks vol


I still have no idea what you are talking about but cool

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can you guys start banning people who are clearly arguing in bad faith and shit up a thread for several posts
if you cant because that means more work for you then i understand


They often do, when they're on and the case is aggregious enough. They're light handed about it tho.


report it when you see it and its bad enough
don't report just because someone disagreed with something you agree with tho, idk its a personal thing. If I see it, i throw out lots of reports because the poster/post isnt rule breaking or messing with conversation. I do bad for disrupting convo a lot, just there's degrees. If e.g. Wvobbly sees your report first, high chance it'll get dealt with. All you can do tho is just report. We don't see every post in every thread


It's on a case-by-case basis and there's degrees to this.

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why is the default css a boring generic "dark theme"
cant we have something distinctive as the main style
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hey, that's hajime no ippo! I'm watching it right now and I'm loving it :3


the white and dark mode debate is so dumb
PARCHMENT has always been the kino background color


This thread made me realize the dark red theme is ugly af. Im now using Yotsuba, big improvement


I would like something like that actually. So far all of our image-background themes have had a little too much going on for me, but something like a space theme (maybe name it Sputnik or Yuri?) would be nice.
Tzuki is my new favorite


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maybe these would work for it?

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