No.345247
Genuine question, but what exactly does the „men‘s movement“ fight for and what is their method of analysis? Anything related to movements of men, be it MGTOW, redpill, men‘s rights activists, tends to be a cesspool of the worst that the male gender has to offer. They usually are people who are exactly the stereotypes feminism well describes and their grievances generally stem from either not getting sex or having made bad experiences with women in past relationships, which sounds like a personal problem they were too immature to cope with. Listening to my girl friends experiences with bad relationships, which involve being coerced into unwanted sex, genuinely dangerous exes and neglect I find it hard to sympathize with men’s rather trivial sounding issues in relationships that usually come from low social and emotional intelligence on the man‘s end. Something you can work on. Their solutions tend to be reactionary or anti-social. When it comes to getting and keeping women a lot of men are dependent on the great social advantages that men had over women under a patriarchal system. Hence these men seek the solution in returning to the old days. Do they offer any solutions that doesn‘t involve re-enslaving women as mere breeding machines, but also support women‘s full autonomy? The problems they address are covered by feminists. What issues do they address that I wouldn‘t find in feminist literature? Whenever I hear any man talk about men‘s issues they depict these problems as singular, isolated phenomenon with seemingly no origin. Just things that sounds bad. „More men commit suicide!“ Okay? That sucks, how did that happen? I don‘t think you will find the solution for that in a based sigma male TikTok video or redpill communities that have become the substitute for actual emotional help these jaded men need who seem to be the most staunch advocates of men‘s movements. Even liberal feminism has a better systemic critique than I have ever heard of a „men‘s rights“ supporter. So what is your best arguments for these „men‘s movements“?
No.345289
>>345247Men's rights are flooded with right wing sophomorism.
In fact, MGTOW was originally supposed to be denying the shallow machismo metrics that society puts on men.
It got incel-ified.
Men do have serious problems other than lack of sex. Men have ended up paying alimony to cheating wives, getting false accusations of rape, or accused of sexism for disagreeing with a female coworker/supervisor.
The biggest complaint made by MGTOW doesn't relate to women so much as chivalry.
There's a few leftist men's right forums but they're few.
No.345394
>>345289>Men do have serious problems other than lack of sex.Didn‘t claim otherwise, but that seems to be the core motivator for a lot of men to engage in issues regarding gender.
>Men have ended up paying alimony to cheating wives,Remnant of the patriarchy.
>getting false accusations of rape, False rape accusations are a clear minority in all rape accusations. That women get raped and their perpetrators get away with it is far more common, leaving them with trauma and no justice. Rape itself isn’t punished hard enough. Yet men‘s paranoia of getting falsely accused is the driving motor to strip any possibility of justice from women when it‘s already hard to prove that someone has raped you. The Brett Kavenaugh hearings are a good example of that.
>or accused of sexism for disagreeing with a female coworker/supervisor.Can you give a specific example?