/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>808050
yes, the government makes the money already. the production of money is regulated by the government, but the flow of money is largely regulated by "the economy" aka industry aka the marketplace. the breadmaker bought his yeast from a supplier, who in turn bought his laboratory and specialized utensils with which he produces the yeast from a supplier, and he who supplies such implements purchased tools to design and produce them from elsewhere, etc. etc. etc.

at every level of commerce, money is exchanging hands, and this is how "the economy" continues to flourish under capitalism. all of this is facilitated by a labor force, the proletariat, no? well, what happens when that element is entirely removed? under capitalism, the proletariat's value is in his labor, what work he does to contribute to the production of goods or services, and the value that is generated from such transactions is extracted by the capitalist. if AI replaces all human labor, then it could be said that capitalists would have gained not only a monopoly on the means of production, but also a monopoly on the force of labor, and thus the human worker is entirely left out in the cold in this paradigm, which is to say that his value, and subsequent bargaining chip, have been neutered, wrested from him.

it seems like in such a world, "the economy" would function as a tightly-controlled breadline, as all resources produced by capitalists would be owned by capital interests and the government, and a new caste system would displace these former-proles-turned-techno-serfs, who would be unable to even interface with society, as they would only be given just enough to subsist upon, and likely in squalor and destitution, in some sectioned off complex that exists physically and metaphorically on the fringes of society.

if the "AI revolution" doesn't result in the previous, it may occur to one that the capitalist's utilization of AI to control labor wouldn't necessarily eradicate human jobs, but would rather create the conditions for an oligarchical authoritarian regime that would squeeze every ounce of value out of the people who were privileged enough to secure work. because AI would act as a release valve for the pressure that corporations experience as a result of labor shortages, as any labor shortage would be satisfied by a legion of sophisticated-ready-and-willPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>808077
The biggest problem with that hypothetical is what happens during the decades long transition of automating all human labor, does unemployment level of 40% are still manageable ? How do you not end up with a massive-sized homeless population that could end up organizing ?

>>808080
I don't know, but it seems to me that even under the current paradigm, capitalists don't have a problem with ignoring the plight of the prole. as an aside, the state could easily deploy counterrevolutionary intelligence and flagrant use of force against any sort of organization that threatens their control of power, and perhaps even use the aforementioned AI solutions to aid in that endeavor as a tool of enforcement.

all I'm saying is that it seems like UBI can easily be used to justify this sort of state-backed serfdom.

i apologise for being too lazy to set it out in full, but in this scenario you're not fully factoring in the implications of how the price of things changes in response to such technological shifts, since all costs are relative to one another and human desires are essentially infinite.

e.g. even if AI destroys all current existing jobs, you'll see weird and unexpected new jobs spring up. as the price of literally everything we currently do drops through the floor thanks to AI-magic, the relative demand for other things will increase. e.g. at the moment there isn't really a market for paying people to hang out with you, because my willingness to pay for this has to compete with real jobs, but if AI obliterates all the real jobs then (a) i've suddenly got far less competition as an "employer" and (b) the cost of living will be lower, possibly allowing me to pay less and still have it be a good deal for both parties.
there are already examples of some stuff AI cannot ever replace. you can have an AI generate music all you like, it is not a 1:1 replacement for an orchestra, particularly as a status symbol.

>>808077
your general fear here seems to be that humans would still work jobs similar to those of today under a scenario like this, while the reality is that the imperfections of human work would become their selling point. sure, you could have an AI 3D print you a perfect table in seconds for 30 cents, but would that confer as much social status as paying a thousand times more (~$300) for one made by hand? people already pay a lot for artisan goods where they could get mass manufactured ones of higher quality for lower price, and this tendency would only increase if AI hiked production and cut costs further. (because if you're paid $300 to make a table but can buy a mass-produced table for $0.3, you're doing pretty good!)

of course, it's possible that in such a world instead of a UBI you have a negative income tax, or some kind of means tested benefit that stabilises income during bad times (effectively "unemployment welfare", but in this hypothetical the idea of employment can be taken or left.), but i'm more trying to sketch out the unpredictable but potentially self-stabilising nature of such a scenario.

>>808086
>>808077
If AI replaces all human labor, humans will just become maintenance workers for AI

The more complex the machines are, the more that they will need manual inspection

Also, maybe a technocratic society can only work with a reduced quantity of humans.

very cool

The androgynous urge to keep this fucking thread alive

I just came out as non-binary btw to my frienderinos. They were chill about it. Fuck the heteros.

>>808025
Non-binary people cannot be anything but hetero.

>>808026
But ado you count as pan if you like women and non-binary humans?

Maybe, but accelerationism and revolt brings change quicker

>>808021
I mean Hitler did it and didn't he lie about his intentions just to get elected or something

No, getting filthy rich but not paying any tax is.

I saw that exact sign in a fascist's yard the other day. Verbatim, and in like eight different fonts.

>>807885 when I look at this creature, these words are the first things that come to my mind

>>807843
Where is the lie?

It goes to show that leftism is just Christian spooks without a metaphysical prescence

i love spooks

i love fiction

the only spook i hate is the self

Biggest realization is that the American poverty draft is a meme, and if you come across at current soldiers on their social media accounts that are active(they love oversharing), and if you dig back during their recruitment phase or before joining, they come from the suburbs with whose caretakers/parents have mcmansions/houses. The volunteer military is there to serve the interests of the not only the bourgeoise but the petit bourgeoise(usually inspiring/avoiding downward mobility) too.

>>807802
Tbh I think the poverty draft was a thing in the past but not so much nowadays

In fact if anything, I wouldn’t be surprised if the military are now restricting acceptance of inner city/ trailer park kids because of potential PR issues

OP here, this thread is once again a perfect example that almost everyone on this site never leaves their home and just repeats shit they hear and see online like a bunch of clapping retards. Get your head out of your asses you fucking autists.

>>807858
I'm sorry I'm too angry because of the heat , I love all my comrades

>>807858
No offense but it seems to me that the people you’re describing seems to be you

You’re the one assuming that middle a class people are pharaohs who don’t do any work at all
I will admit that they’re a massive drain on resources but to say they don’t do any dirty work at all is a major stretch.

>>807777

wasted quads

>>807592

what i do is find random people, do a trust exercise like venting to them and judging by their reaction you know if you can trust them for a bigger project.

also what kind of project?

i make videogames and videogame mods

esse é o meu livro favorito

motherfuckers lets get together.

I feel you. I want to start a webseries and a youtube channel in general but I don't want to do it alone.

there was a game on steam called how 2 kill a fly. neat idea of a cyberpunk corpo meat puppet serving as a corpo spy bla bla bla usual background. cruelty squad/lo-fi(low poly), although more lo-fi, inspired aesthetic. anyways the dev team had the brilliant idea of "recording dialogue"

This dialogue bank is recorded from your daily interactions. Lore reason is bc you're a meat puppet and can only mechanically repeat what you have recorded from your database. So if a person you talked to offhand said "im gonna kill myself", you can store that "voice recording" and then use it in later dialogue sessions.

very tedious but surprisingly works out quite well.

anyways my point besides recommending the game is they brainstormed it from a game jam/meetup. we should do a game jam~

>>808107
if it was CPUSA doing it then the herrenvolk wouldn't be blaming billionares and "le epstein class" for it so thats a small CPUSA W actually

>>808103
>and has completely killed US soft power by disbanding US aid and also hes made it clear that america is controlled by corporations instead of the democrats larping that it isnt and also he has revived socialism.
giga trvke, but is just capitalism doing its thing at the end of the day, no need to support any capitalist politician, party or state for it, they all do what CapitalGOD demands
>>808104
I'm so glad your daddy Zohran can't be president, another FDR would move the wheel of history back 50 years and fuck up all this progress Donald has been kind enough to deliver, then we would be actually 100% fucked

FUCK YEAH
Trump owned those woke libs lets vote for him in 2028!

>>808109
>I'm so glad your daddy Zohran can't be president, another FDR would move the wheel of history back 50 years
implied teleology

Trump's retardation has been a massive factor in American decline but I think there's a few things that probably wouldn't have changed regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office. America was woefully unprepared for a war with Iran. If someone like Kamala Harris was in charge, at best, she may have tried to disengage and actually stick with the ceasefire, MOU, whatever. But the outcome wouldn't have come out in America's favour.

The political compass background combined with Warhammer commissar hat are a beautiful touch. A-grade cringe.

>>807878
Warhammer and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>not even confident enough to say uyghurs instead of “minorities”
ngmi

That chud is actually kinda cute Ngl.
Too bad he’s deranged

>>807872
Why are we posting reactionary comics on here?

Just make AI videos on TikTok

>>807849
We would still have work
Women can make money showing off their tits on camera.
And we still have women who work.

the easiest way to make money is doing jobs no one else wants to do. if youre a single young male you could do something that involvee traveling a lot, normalfags dont want to do it because they care about their families or some other gay bullshit, so these jobs pay a lot more than the median wage

>>807846
Sex work doesn’t pay well, either for men or women.
Don’t listen to these gender essentialists who say that boobs and pussies are gold mines.
They do get a lot of attention but the pay isn’t as good as you think.

>>807944
I know anons on here are averse to more utilities work