No.268479[Reply]
>"Democracy? Democracy. Democracy is not what these people need, hell, it's not even what they want. America has been trying to install democracies in nations for a century and it hasn't worked one time. These countries don't have the most basic building blocks to support a democracy. Little things like, "We ought to be tolerant of those that disagree with us." "We ought to be tolerant of those who worship a different god than us!" That, "A journalist ought to be able to disagree with the president!" And you think you can just march into these countries - based on some fundamentalist, religious principles - drop a few bombs, topple a dictator and start a democracy? Huh. Give me a break. People don't want freedom. They want boundaries and rules… Protection… From invaders, and from themselves. People need a leader who can give them both the support and constraints to keep chaos at bay. You give them that, and they'll follow. And that's where I come in."
>Irons is an American disillusioned with the US and its foreign policy. sincerely convinced that it is blame for all the troubles, wars and conflicts over the past decades
this was supposed to be the bad guy and yet everything he stated was factual, like not even something to argue just 100% correct
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>>268590>Monarchists hate America for the promotion of democracy/individualismNot true.
r/monarchism likes democracy.
And most others make a pretense of democracy.
The only people who are loud about disliking democracy are libertarians who read Hoppe and some trads.
I'm not a democracy simp myself, but I also dislike crypto-oligarchists who talk about the x-treme of democracy and monarchy.
>individualismIsn't democracy more collectivist and monarchy more individual?
No.268666
>>268665And if they do hate democracy, it doesn't mean they'll advocate absolute monarchy.
to my disappointmentThat's why I'm skeptical of those who merely hate democracy and have nothing much to say about monarchy.
Esp. the case w/ Hoppeans who consider Monarchy to be a lesser evil
but evil nonetheless No.268669
The case with /pol/ is they quote-on-quote "hate" democracy, yet this doesn't mean they'll advocate monarchy or even an oligarchy. Instead they are populists and make some hocus pocus about meritocracy.
No.268674
>>268585>that's bourgeois "democracy"I think that's the case with /pol/.
They don't really "hate" democracy, but hate how contemporary democracy is run. This is most often the case.
A great portion of /pol/ probably still advocates what they believe to be a kind of democracy.
No.268691
>>268666>Esp. the case w/ Hoppeans who consider Monarchy to be a lesser evil but evil nonethelessLife is all about relativity.
There's no black and white.