No.447525[Reply]
Is Jesus saying that those who do not honour their parents should be executed in this part in the bible?
Matthew 15
1. Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2. Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6. And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
I was arguing with chat GPT and it explained this part away by saying that the "let him die the death" part is just hyperbole. I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
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>>447783your conservative Christian relatives just want an excuse to abuse you
No.448009
>>447848>Jesus calls the Pharisees' tradition their own tradition and not the tradition of the elders>the Pharisees wanted to show that Jesus' disciples broke the Jewish law>Jesus shows that they themselves break the law by their traditions while his disciples did not>the traditions are not commanded in the Old Testament law<(adherence to their traditions was taken to be indicative of the religious devotion of people)>their traditions taught that people can deny assistance to their parents if they declare that whatever is requested is going to be used as a religious gift (for the temple in Jerusalem) at some point>this defrauds both their parents and God alike supposedly for the others' sake>the intention of the law is spelled out in the full text of the commandment: honour your parents so that you too may live long on the earth, but whoever curses father or mother, let him die (or be put to death, the literal translation is let him die, but since the law is a command, the sense is that they should be put to death)>the Pharisees know the full form of the commandment so Jesus' only quotes the second half, with the understanding that their traditions enable people to violate the spirit of the law, and that the punishment threatened for those who dishonour their parents is death, so the Pharisees are worthy of death>if the punishment called for is death for those who just curse their parents, then the punishment fot those who dishonor their parents in their actions and then teach others to do so as well can only be more severe>therefore they don't have any moral authority by which they can condemn Jesus' disciples for not following their traditions>and they're willing to attack Jesus (who hasn't yet ascended to heaven) in their arrogance even though what they're doing is just as much an attack on the law given in the Old Testament I dunno what's being referred to in that final sentence though
No.448074
>>448009I found out what the last sentence means I had to put at a French translation through Deepl, the English translation sucks:
>How then, you who are unworthy to live, dare you accuse my disciples? Is it any wonder that you treat me, a stranger to you, so outrageously, since you do not treat my Father better by violating his ordinances? And so he shows them everywhere that their contempt for him stems, as if from its source, from their contempt for his Father. No.453165
I find it funny that people talk about respexting your elders vut nobody thinls about respecting their juniors.
Parents can disown their kids, beat and patronize them but its conaidred collateral damage.
But God forbid a child talks back.