/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>819154
no

>>819153 hot
>>819157 hot

>>819157
What if the truth was somewhere in between?

Just don't be an Abrahamist, okay?

>>819185
Why doe?

>>819088
>I am a gnostic atheist, I think there is a god
not what that means

>>819272
Where is the don't care section in the x axis

>>819289
I guess lack of opinion would fit under lack of belief and therefore agnosticism.

>>819188
By building another brand?

>>819209
While this is true, they released their big breakout album when Billie Joe Armstrong was 22.

>>819237
yeah but this dumb idea that youth = special musical prowess is dumb. in fact, the opposite is true, but that doesn't coincide with the the idea that youth = aesthetically pleasing, and therein lies the problem innit. the music industry needs YOUNG and TALENTED at the same time, otherwise they can't sell your likeness. except for buckethead, he don't give a fuck you what you think about how he looks. maybe that was the entire point.

>>819237
sure but american idiot was the peak of their popularity and when their brand was at its strongest, and they rode that high for a few years more still. in fact a lot of celebrities with "youthful" images or fanbases are in their 30s.

>being young
Can't help that.
>energetic
Cocaine.
>edgy/relatable
You can be edgy and relatable to middle age guys. Just sing about refinancing your house and kicking out your child the moment they turn 18.

>>818561
That's completely different from someone writing a book called How Capitalism Should Work and then someone else deciding to implement that, which is what these stupid criticisms of Marx insist should be the case for communism specifically.
>>818586
>Because their whole point wasnt establishing political control over economic activity
No, it's because they were not centralized conscious efforts to begin with. They, again, emerged slowly from historical circumstances.
>revolutions need a vision of society to be established
Motte: revolutions need to have some idea of what they're going to do once they're in power
Bailey: he didn't write a full speculative description of a theoretical communist society therefore Marx is a doodoo head
>they were made by conscious effort of people existing within those historical circumstances.
Your own description obscures the fact that no one set out with the conscious thought of "I'm gonna create capitalism". A few landowners pressed their government to pass enclosure acts. A few inventors developed machines to reduce labor and increase production. A few displaced workers moved to towns in search of new jobs. A few bankers and investors created new ways to finance businesses. They were all trying to solve local problems and maximize their own profits. No one was setting out to implement the grand plan of "capitalism". That is simply the arrangement of production relations that resulted from their actions. That is the point you and critics of your ilk decide to deliberately ignore.

>>818585
marx himself implies that capitalism can only go away once it's been fully developed, which to me sure implies we need to be full-on accelerationists. i've asked multiple marxists/communists about this and have never gotten an answer that satisfied me.

>>819213
This is internally consistent but does nothing to exculpate Marx for his conclusion that violent organised revolution was necessary to deliver a communist society. Capitalists had no grand blueprint for enclosure acts, mechanisation, population movements, financial innovation, and so on, these were all decentralised and iterative processes in the first instance. (even if latecomer countries took a more centralised approach)

Why, then, should we presume that socialism and communism arrive by violent revolution, and not by some similar "natural" outgrowing of capitalism? You might answer: well, his analysis said that such a revolution was inevitable and so he was just trying to hasten it… but that presupposes this analysis is correct, something we won't know until we're looking back in hindsight. What if, in the grand scheme of things, the socialist/communist "revolution" is a mostly mundane and non-violent affair?

>>819224
It is a position I find myself sympathetic to, with one qualification: most accelerationists seem to take a "the worse, the better" approach, if you like, hitting the gas pedal so we crash into the brick wall at the end of the road faster. I think that's basically wrongheaded. The aim of trying to fully develop the system must be to develop, which more often than not may require saving it from itself because the alternative may well be a slower path overall.

At which point you suddenly find yourself in some very mundane arguments about trade policy or whatever.

>>819225
Revolutions have been part of the emergence of capitalism too. They didn't single-handedly replace the existing economic order of wherever they took place with the fully-formed structure of capitalism. What they did was replace the existing government with one directly beholden to bourgeois interests and that made decisions based on those interests. Some made favorable decisions, some made adverse decisions. So it is with all governments. Also, Marx did not believe communist revolution was inevitable in the sense that we could just sit around and wait for it to happen, he simply believed that the shocks/crises that create the opportunity for it would get deeper and more frequent.

>>818469
I am able to form my own opinions on reality, anon. Maybe I cannot truly escape the social games of society, but this is not foremost in my mind when I'm trying to discern the truth of the world.

>>819097
Notice how you get mad at my post rather than getting mad at the bourgeoisie? This is because you are a lumpenprole.

>>819101
I just corrected your post, don't make it weird.

>>819097
Maybe he's a lumpen bourg?

>>819108
>lumpen bourg
No such thing, all bourg are criminals, to imply some are lumpen would imply others weild power legitimately.

>>818968
He's probably not a sport fan but someone who lost a massive bet desu

>>819064
>when he’s just a liberal
Yes and so is Trump.

>>819064
>>819064
Lenin said socialism is just state capitalism that serves the whole people. Marx said joint-stock companies abolish private property within capitalism. And then the left wonders why the right calls state led development and big monopolies socialism…

Why the left always say, Xi Jinping, the communist when he’s just a liberal

>>819180
To piss off you specifically, glad it's starting to work. this has been a long campaign.

>>819162
>professional revolutionaires
By definition that means they're getting paid to do revolution, which sounds kinda neat. I'd like a career change, but to something less dangerous than what I do, not more.

>>819054 wtf did she did rib removal surgery or something

>>818898
ok but go bump my thread

>>819074
>Fucked up at another job interview
I got a job as a customer rep so now every single day at the work is like taking a brand new job interview

>>819122
amazing

>>819122
THANK YOUUUU
No more sifting through AI slop to find appropriate pictures.

>>819054
sir you have made my soul erect.

>>819107
It works in China the only reason it doesn't work in Latin America is because the Americans keep covertly supporting and empowering the drug dealers.

>>819000
Whatever Mao did to opium dealers seemed to work.

Force them to beautiful lady😍🥰 out on HRT to quell their toxic masculinity

>>819131
>It works in China
It's not all they do.

>>819139
>It's not all they do.
they'll never learn
<ackshually war on drugs and anti immigration and social conservatism is good because AES does it… therefore we should do it in our hyper capitalist shitholes without actually changing the economic base of society in any fashion

Whether raw milk turn into something edible or not depend on the microrganisms colonizing it. With the wrong bug, you just get sick by eating mold.

I'm an adult, I don't have to drink any of that shit any more creep.

y'all should drink milk from my balls instead

im pretty sure the raw milk and raw meat shit is just a CIA psyop to make proles even more retarded