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>>819358
>Why would Jesus preach to people if God didn't care about people's faith? Contradiction.
God does care, but we were discussing the specifics of judgement. Obviously someone who grows up in, say, Saudi Arabia, is going to find it much harder to convert than someone who grows up in, say, the American South. In order for God to be Just, he must have a method of weighing all those who did not have access to Bibles or who were never preached to. It's essentially your "atheist who did nothing wrong" argument extrapolated to the entire world. So obviously God takes all this into account.

Matthew 10:14-15 (NIV)
<If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Why is Jesus saying punishment will be lighter on Sodom and Gomorrah? Because Sodom and Gomorrah never had His disciples preaching to those towns. This is Jesus outright admitting that there will different degrees of punishment varying based on how much people knew of the truth. It's Jesus stating that he takes the material conditions of each civilization into account. What else is the alternative you propose? By the standards of 21st century morality, the Roman Empire is a barbaric imperialist slave-owning empire that should be destroyed and yet Jesus didn't go around saying everyone there should die. A flat "one size fits all" judgement would privilege all the newer generations of humanity compared to the older generations. That's not right or fair, and Jesus being truly good points out that there are different standards that will be applied.
>God isn't fair. That's the point
That is your argument, which you have yet to prove. So far I think I've proven I have a better grasp on this theology than you do, so I'm inclined to think my argument for God being fair is better.

>God is a hypocrite, of course, since he kills and rapes people.
Hold on a second. You attack God for not punishing evil instantaneously, and then you also accuse him of being evil in the times (I'm guessing the Old Testament stories) where he takes a more active presence and does kill evildPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>819363
>God does care
If God cares, why would he create the problem to begin with?
He doesn't care. He has predestined Hell for unbelievers.
>atheist who did nothing wrong
So is it grace through faith, or is it good works which saves people?
You aren't making sense. If good works save us, we don't need faith.
If faith saves us, good works don't count for anything.
>different degrees of punishment varying based on how much people knew of the truth
So its not just the burning lake of fire, but extra punishments too? What is the crime again? Eternal torment for not believing in an a thing without evidence? Demand proof? But tell me, do you think its fair to punish people for all eternity for anything? I don't. God does.
>What else is the alternative you propose?
I take Paul's account that the law is written on our hearts.
Moral progress doesn't exist. You apparently think the law changes.
>By the standards of 21st century morality, the Roman Empire is a barbaric imperialist slave-owning empire that should be destroyed
We are more immoral today than ever were in the past. There are no relative historical standards, only knowledge and ignorance.
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>>819365
>He doesn't care. He has predestined Hell for unbelievers.
We just spent the past few posts going over how unbelievers are not going to be thrown into Hell solely on the basis of their belief/disbelief but on a judgement by God taking multiple different factors into account, and I went to great effort citing multiple verses to bolster my argument. I'm not going to rehash and explain it all again; if you remain confused please scroll back up and read.
>So is it grace through faith, or is it good works which saves people?
Just like how there are different punishments for evildoers, there are also different rewards for the righteous. I also think I finally understand your problem. You are operating off a caricature of American Protestantism since you haven't actually read the Bible and cannot engage with the substance but are simply setting up strawmen based off popular misunderstandings promoted by American Christians (who also haven't read their Bibles).
1 Corinthians 3:11-14
<For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the [Judgement] Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Faith produces good works which determine your placement in Heaven. Belief can get you through the gates but how much you actually helped others (widows, orphans, poor, sick, etc.) earns promotions. There is a hierarchy based upon the people who lived the best (humble, helping, healing, etc.) possible lives they could, who will be placed in charge over others.

>But tell me, do you think its fair to punish people for all eternity for anything? I don't. God does.

I think there are people who actually do deserve such a punishment. For example, Satan, who is explicitly named as one of the people suffering eternal punishment. How do you calculate the punishment for ruPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>819376
>Faith produces good works
We finally get to it. If an atheist is good, does he actually have faith, even if he hasn't recognised it? Or is faith the confession of a name?
>Satan
Satan does nothing without God's permission. He works for God.
Saying Satan should be eternally punished for doing his job is insane.
>How do you calculate the punishment for ruining billions upon billions of human lives?
The only life Satan has ruined is Job's, which was by God's command. For all the rest, Satan tempts, but does not actually do anything. Satan is innocent.
>God is Just
Making sinless men blind from birth is justice, apparently.
>Can you count in the Bible how many times people are confirmed to be going to Hell?
All of those who have weeping and gnashing of teeth. All sinners:
<Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206&version=NIV
Unrepentant, practicing homosexuals at least shall be in Hell, right?
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>>819318
why bother with life though, if its all predetermined? from his position, its like a theater play that he already knows the end.

how do i stop the pain

>>819392
go to the doctor la

the king of norway is fucking dead goku. he died.

>>819402
Bourgeois crakkker down

The spiked magazine people used to be the revolutionary communist party / "living marxism" and ran such a pro climate change line (concurrent with a denialist one) but they're professional (possibly glowie) contrarians. (Some of their ilk wound up in Boris Johnson's conservative government and today they're all right wing culture war grifters, but many of their greatest hits started with living Marxism. For example they were doing all the cliches about university cancel culture closed mindedness back in the 1990s…)/

Are you a woman, by any chance?

>>819445
He said MAN.
You're dumber than OP.

>>819450
They never said they werent a smart woman. Just not a smart man.

>>819444
true!

>>812674
Good, marriage is a sham and a humbug, it's only cheating because societal/social expectation make it so you can't just divorce someone immediatly/there are children in the equation that chain you to the relationship.

I wanted to do something social outside, but for free since I am completely broke, and chance would have it local anarchist collective organized a communal picnic plus some workshops.I thought it wold be a good opportunity to meet new people. Went there saw handful of groups of young people sitting around the park, and just kept walking. Didnt know what do to, how to introduce myself, if it would be appropriate to intrude.
So just walked across entire city home. On the way visited a vegan ice cream place, it was overpriced, 6 euro for two scoops, not very wise given my precarious financial situation, but I wanted something to cheer me up. The red one wasnt anything amazing, bu the white was very tasty.

How do you meet people IRL? I am completely clueless.

>>819369
What flavour were they? Beetroot and lemon?

>>819381
The red one is bilberry. I think. Or some similar forest fruit. The other one is salted cashew nut.

A dark and foreboding feeling washed over me when I read this post

>>818862
I'm starting to believe that allistics are just an inferior form of life. They don't care about doing anything right, whatsoever.

A not insignificant amount of bars in Thailand play AI slop country

>>818870
I mean TBF that genre it makes no difference

>>818862
A surprisingly large amount of people are simply cargo culting life.

Trots hate other trots because they have no choice but to interact with eachother because trots usually the only somewhat salvagable party in their area.

>>819012
>commies on the Sharty
don't exist; that place is for mentally ill reactionaries

>>819022
>that place is for mentally ill reactionaries
but enough about leftypol

>>819037
whats leftypol

>>819022
kind of true considering they've moved over to leftysoy.st now

>>819340
The sun is an incredibly large fusion reactor, not an infinite energy source

>>819396
Is it going to run out of fuel any time soon? For all practical purposes, it is infinite.

>>819398
>For all practical purposes, it is infinite

"incredibly large" and "infinite" are in fact an infinite difference away from each other so it kind of is a big distinction. besides this is a discussion about whether perpetual motion machines are possible, the sun isn't one so that doesn't give any evidence of them being possible

>>819400
It's a smug idealist distinction used to win internet debates. From a practical, materialist standpoint, one can consider it an infinite source of power.

>>819403
Anon what the fuck are you talking about