/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2543339
lol the chud in the first image cracks me up
>>2543295
you guys are retards and there is nothing to gain from an alliance with retards

>>2543381
You have less infighting because fascism is syncretic in nature, all that matters is "kill da commies"
>>2543378
>but I don't see modern fascists as ideologically coherent
the old ones (fascists italy) wasnt either
>>2543396
>The logical result of Fascism is the introduction of aesthetics into political life.
walter benjamin, many decades ago

It's retarded but please let something happen

The only possible red-brown alliance is the sexual-romantic alliance between me and my future homophobic fascist boyfriend

Yes. Let's bring back Social Radicalism.

>>2543404
Since when is Taiwan, Japan and Korea part of the Global South?

>>2542856
end imperialism, climate change, neo colonialism, currency hegemony, forever wars, and you will end the conditions which lead to mass migration. Until you attack the root cause of mass migration, ask yourself why the borders of bourgeois dictatorships should be respected, and why human beings are less free to move around than the commodities they produce through their labor.

>>2542903
almost like there's a 2 tiered system of immigration where there's brain drain from the periphery, but also muscle drain from the periphery. the brain drain ends up at the magnificent 7 silikkkon valley corporations, and the muscle drain ends up on your farms alongside your prisoners (are the prisoners also scabs?).

>>2543945
As long as the proletariat from the global south continue to move and defect to the north, worker solidarity is not possible in the global south. As it stands, the dream of the "middle class" in the south is to move to a developed country, not to unite with their fellow workers.
>>2543947
Prisoners are forced into slavery by the bourgeois dictatorship. Who is forcing the workers from global south to defect to the north?

Millions more will come in, no matter how hard you try to argue, no matter how angry and violent you become.

>>2475519
>it is socialism or barbarism, not socialism after barbarism
Holy shit that is an actual killer post and phrase. I'm screenshotting and saving. Best thing to come from this thread

>>2475138
He's Double Lenin

>>2482649
Maybe even triple

We will win only if we fight

>>2475515
free will exists retard

>>2536062
Islam was populist in the context of India because it broke with the rigidity of the caste system

>>2542666
south asian muslims have their own caste system tho. If anti-casteism was the reason all of India would be Buddhist

>>2542672
I think the difference is that Buddhism isn't dogmatic like abrahamic religions, the Buddhist king Ashoka patronised non-buddhist sects in his kingdom while remaining Buddhist himself, something an abrahamist would never do.

>>2542672
i've never seen caste being mentioned in relationship to pakistanis

>>2542707
Abrhamic religion are extremely bad, reactionary and should be fought against everywhere, no sane rational progressive person support those religions.

>>2542939
Pointing out that non-Europeans have a better track record at doing socialism on their own accord makes you a race essentialist apparently.

>>2542939
White people invented communism, you should be kissing our feet.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2542971
Marx was asian

>>2542971
Only if you have stinky feet 🧀

>>2542973
Marx was African

Bro just one more sacrifice bro.
Just one more big spectacle burning dozens, no, hundreds of people alive.
The rain gods will finally listen and end the drought. I promise bro please.

humans are inherently irrational and superstitious
you cant get rid of the sacrifice cults

There will always be an expenditure of energy, nerves and muscles or any other matter

>Kardashev scale
>vaccine testing is the same as cutting people's hearts out as a gift to Huitzilopochtli

OP, people are always going to have to pick tradeoffs in order to do anything. Most of the things that actually advance society technologically or socially really doesn't have some serious inherent cost. Most of what we have to deal with is a result of class society producing things (including knowledge) in a way that maximizes profit and is indifferent to suffering.

>>2541975
>The Elder Stops Scrolling.jpg
lol

What's wrong with Kardashev? I think he was onto something.

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>>2541978
even if they were able to, i'm just not convinced the bourgeois would rather rule over the ashes. their lavish lifestyles of xanaduian retreats and cosmopolitan gilded castle parties would not sustain themselves in a post nuclear apocalypse, i think this is a fantasy, they really don't want to go in the bunker and be at the mercy of the insane mercenary holding the gun once fiat money ceases to be.

>>2540915
its to include the black african diaspora. actually not as silly a thing as it sounds, considering at a certain point it gets hard to talk about e.g. caribbean history and culture without an understanding of africa, and to a lesser extent vice versa.

>>2540880
>Grant
<Failure
>Johnson
>Average
This has to be the worst ranking I have ever seen.

Revealed: Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret ‘wink’ to sidestep legal orders
For Israel, losing control of its data to authorities overseas was a significant concern. So to deal with the threat, officials created a secret warning system: the companies must send signals hidden in payments to the Israeli government, tipping it off when it has disclosed Israeli data to foreign courts or investigators. To clinch the lucrative contract, Google and Amazon agreed to the so-called winking mechanism, according to leaked documents seen by the Guardian, as part of a joint investigation with Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and Hebrew-language outlet Local Call.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/29/google-amazon-israel-contract-secret-code

Pro-Palestinian students threaten to sue US university amid antisemitism definition controversy
“As a public university, the law is crystal clear that GMU may not censor its students or student organizations on the basis of viewpoint,” the letter added, demanding the university allow SJP to repost the video by Friday. “GMU cannot utilize the veneer of anti-discrimination in order to censor student speech that may be disfavored by the administration.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/29/george-mason-university-virginia-ihra-antisemitism-definition

spending $5M to slam House Dems over political violence
The ads vary by district, but accuse Democratic incumbents of voting against funding for law enforcement and feeding into or not condemning political violence, according to the ones viewed first by Axios. Many feature images from the assassination attempt on President Trump, ammunition engaved with "anti-ICE," the killing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina and a clip of Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough saying "there has been left-wing violence."
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/29/house-republicans-ads-political-violence
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Interviews with Georges Ibrahim Abdallah
[Video] https://odysee.com/@richardmedhurst:3/inside-the-mind-of-a-militant-an:f
[Text] https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/22318/

France in Crisis: an Interview with Jean Luc Melenchon and La France Insoumise
In the nine years since its founding in 2016, La France Insoumise (LFI) has become the leading left formation in France, with its current parliamentary representation at 71, ahead of the traditional parties of the left, the Socialist Party and Communist Party. The personality most identified with it is Jean Luc Melenchon, who has run for president three times, the last time in 2022, when he gathered 21.9 percent of the votes, finishing third after second-placer Marine Le Pen of National Rally and Emmanuel Macron. La France Insoumise describes its orientation as democratic socialist and ecosocialist. The following is a composite interview. When he visited Paris in July 2025, Walden Bello interviewed some of the leaders of LFI, including Nadege Abomangoli, vice president of the National Assembly; Aurelie Trouve, chairwoman of the Economic Affairs Committee of the Assembly; and members of parliament Arnaud Le Gall, Aurelien Tache, and Aurelien Saintoul. This was followed in September 2025 by an email interview with LFI leader Jean Luc Melenchon (JLM).
https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/10/29/france-in-crisis-an-interview-with-jean-luc-melenchon-and-la-france-insoumise/

Caerphilly by-election: A harbinger of things to come
On 23 October, residents of Caerphilly, a town in South Wales, turned out in record numbers to vote in a by-election for the Senedd, the devolved Welsh Parliament. Plaid Cymru’s Lindsay Whittle was elected, on an unprecedented turnout of over 50 percent. While just a single constituency, this result has far-reaching implications. It is often remarked that the Welsh Labour Party is the most successful political party in history. Labour’s dominance in Wales has remained practically unrivaled for over a century – uPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thanks News Anon

>>2542204
Ok then let's go through your specific objections:

>anti racism
Proletarians of all races should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>feminism
repeat the same argument as above. Male and female proletarians should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>trans ideology
cisgender and trans proletarians should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>open borders,
short answer: the proletariat knows no country
long answer: the bourgeoisie already have total freedom of travel but the proletariat is supposed to stay in a nationalist cage and be less free to move around than the stuff they create through their labor? On the question of brain drain, outsourcing, using migrants as cheap sources of labor, etc. End imperialism and this won't be a problem.
>secularism
Anti-secularism takes many forms. What kind of theocracy do you desire? Abrahamic? Vedic?
>vax science
enjoy polio, measles, mumps, and rubella i guess

>>2542168
>everything under the umbrella of capitalism is corrupted and must be criticized as bourgeois propaganda!!!

Not true. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find people who praise the bourgeoisie more than communists. For example, in a recent interview James Vaughn said that without the industrial revolution we would all just be good liberals because they were right about everything.

https://youtu.be/GRoyLo6HubQ?si=GPUYfouaPklCPman&t=5740

1:35:45 if the timestamp link doesn't work

I can't remember if it was Engels or Lenin who admitted socialism was a bourgeois science. Marx praised the bourgeoisie for being great revolutionaries who frustrated the reactionaries, he just wanted them to keep going but they're not incentivized to so it's up to the workers to do the rest. Note that many online socialists will seethe at this and accuse you of saying socialism is an extension of liberalism. Very undialectical.

>>2542244
>I can't remember if it was Engels or Lenin who admitted socialism was a bourgeois science.
you can't remember? so I take it you have no source for your claim (Not OP). If Engels said "socialism" is a "bourgeois science" (wissenschaft) did he say it during the era that he he wrote Principles of Communism, and trying to distinguish socialism from communism in general, or did he write it later in his life, when he was calling Communism "scientific socialism" and distinguishing it from bourgeois socialism, democratic socialism, reactionary socialism, and other forms of socialism? It's sort of like reading Lenin before and after WW1. For Lenin Marxism and Social Democracy were the same thing until WW1, when social democracy betrayed the international proletariat leading to the collapse of the 2nd international. So if these remarks are real I would like a source, and am especially interested in the year that source was written. But you can't even remember which of the two gentlemen said it.

>Marx praised the bourgeoisie for being great revolutionaries who frustrated the reactionaries, he just wanted them to keep going but they're not incentivized to so it's up to the workers to do the rest. Note that many online socialists will seethe at this and accuse you of saying socialism is an extension of liberalism. Very undialectical.

Yes, for Marx, the bourgeois were revolutionary, but their revolutionary potential was historically limited:

<The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

<The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2542260
One example is Lenin in What is to be Done? when he favorably quotes Kautsky who said:

<Modern socialist consciousness can arise only on the basis of profound scientific knowledge. Indeed, modern economic science is as much a condition for socialist production as, say, modern technology, and the proletariat can create neither the one nor the other, no matter how much it may desire to do so; both arise out of the modern social process. The vehicle of science is not the proletariat, but the bourgeois intelligentsia [K. K.’s italics]: it was in the minds of individual members of this stratum that modern socialism originated, and it was they who communicated it to the more intellectually developed proletarians who, in their turn, introduce it into the proletarian class struggle where conditions allow that to be done. Thus, socialist consciousness is something introduced into the proletarian class struggle from without [von Aussen Hineingetragenes] and not something that arose within it spontaneously [urwüchsig]. Accordingly, the old Hainfeld programme quite rightly stated that the task of Social-Democracy is to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the consciousness of its task. There would be no need for this if consciousness arose of itself from the class struggle.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm

>>2542368
This is not "admitting" socialism is a "bourgeois science" as originally claimed, but stating something a bit more profoudn and nuanced, though I can see why you oversimplified this quote into the claim from a few posts back, especially deriving it from memory.

<The vehicle of science is not the proletariat, but the bourgeois intelligentsia

This is the closest he comes to stating what you said, but I still think there is a difference between stating that scientific education is originally a privilege of the bourgeois intelligentsia, and stating explicitly that socialism is a bourgeois science. He is still saying by the end that

<the task of Social-Democracy
(1901, pre-split from Marxism)
<is to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the consciousness of its task. There would be no need for this if consciousness arose of itself from the class struggle.

So the practice of socialism is begun by the class traitors of the bourgeois intelligentsia, but is ultimately the task of the proletariat. It is not exclusively bourgeois, just originally bourgeois in its origins (since Owen, Fourier, Saint-Simon, Marx, and Engels were all bourgeois class traitors).