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Have you ever noticed that the "United Nations" consists of a bunch of divided states, and the "United States" consists of a bunch of divided nations? What's up with that?



 

Lets have a thread on basic definitions of left-wing terms.
It doesn't seem to me that even the most foundational words like "Socialism" are consistently defined.

<"To each according to their contribution."

<"Worker ownership of the means of production."
<"Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other.
<Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."

Which of these you accept has implications such as on the form of the argument over the USSR takes.
Other terms which aren't defined consistently to my knowledge are terms like "imperialism", "left-wing", "worker", "identity politics", etc.
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>>2262659
Of course that the vanguard was DotP doesn't rule out alternatives.
For example left-communist and reformist movements may also be capable of making a DotP.
That this hasn't happened so far is no reason to believe that it can't happen.

>The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

protovangaurd writings

>>2262960
>The proletariat can only act as a class if it constitutes itself as a distinct political party opposed to all old parties formed by the propertied classes. This is necessary to ensure the victory of the social revolution and its ultimate goal: the abolition of classes.
Here's another one, there doesn't seem to be too much information available on party organization, either this or my search isn't specific enough.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/letters/75_03_18.htm

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"There is no royal road to science, and only those who do not dread the fatiguing climb of its steep paths have a chance of gaining its luminous summits." - Marx

This thread is just retards trying to make marxism easily palatable to other retards when they don't even understand it themselves.

>>2264121
Like to imagine it's just retards trying to understand Marxism.



 

This is like the third time I’m posting this article, because there’s a specific idea I got from this situation that didn’t come from me before.

All cops private or publicly funded are private entities in nature.

Even in ideal situation where the police aren’t corrupt and incompetent, there is not a single cop let alone person with the capacity to act as a protecter for everyone much less an entire town or city because such a person would exist as a one man army.
This idea matters because it clarifies why I feel that the police officer that was killed had it coming along with every other police officer acting performing their service when not assigned to protect any specific person. The officer in question is retired and shouldn’t be trying to do anything unless asked or at least given permission. The moment he got involved in the murder of that father’s son, he already justified his own death just off by the fact that he didn’t and shouldn’t have done anything and let other officers that were assigned to that original shop handle the situation.

Ironically enough, by involving himself, that cop also just made the jobs of his fellow cops even harder by jeapordizing any plans those other officers made and by blowing the situation out of control.

That kid was under no obligation to listen or even respect whatever the fuck that pig was doing and the father doesn’t have any reason to feel or even be tried guilty for murdering him either.

Tldr, all cops are private and the one that got murdered deserved it entirely. I don’t even give a shit about the racebait garbage or the comments, I genuinely think everyone should be allowed to kill retired and out of duty pigs out of vengeance and self defence just off the principle that those people shouldn’t be involved in violence if it isn’t permitted or asked for.
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>>2262891
Groups? This guy came in looking for trouble the moment he decided to roleplay as a cop even when retired. Leave the rest of the officers in the situation out. The guy was asking for whatever garbage he got.

>>2262891
If you're going to kill one guy before you get caught at least pick your target better. That's all I'm saying. Is it bourgeois to have a plan?

>>2263168
How tf do you plan to respond to someone pre-empitvely murdering your son

Ad hoc killings of cops is adventurist, even if it is is done for a reasonable emotional reason. We need systematic killing of cops.

Anything that isn't holding hands and singing or having a reading group is adventurist!

Do not form micro cells of 4-6 people and take action, communism is about waiting and feeling smug! Revolution is about waiting for it to come!



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MAGA Communism vs Christcoms
Which will triumph in the end, /leftypol/?
pick a side, thin crust or deep dish, idk it is a tough choice.
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Christian Socialists were much more varied, influential over the course of the history of the labour movement and were actual socialists. Magacommunism is a meme.

Maga communism is not in a really good position right now.

>>2260414
I agree, but I'm curious, what do you mean?

>>2260047
Tukhachevsky got shot for a reason

Neither, the conservative moderates™ will rule till Christ comes again (never)

>>2262011
>Tukhachevsky
His execution had nothing to do with the paganism thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Tukhachevsky



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What is a lumpen (how is it defined), and what is it good for (what can they do to help).

>From whore to pope, there is a mass of such rabble. But the honest and ‘working’ lumpenproletariat belongs here as well; e.g. the great mob of porters etc. who render service in seaport cities etc.

>People who have passed the normal age of the labourer; the victims of industry.
>Pauperism is the hospital of the active labour-army and the dead weight of the industrial reserve army.
>In short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French call la bohème
<Think its roughly anyone not "integrated" or marginally "integrated" into the mode of production, this includes the precarious: old, broken, beggars (including beggar children), but also criminals, and bohemians.
<The lumpenproletariat also seems to include precarious contract-workers, as being sufficiently marginal.
<This is just by having the notion of 'working' lumpenproletariate and identifying them with porters.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch05.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch25.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch05.htm
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>>2262027
any work that creates surplus value for the capitalist is productive. that is what the word means

>>2262002
>Text you cite undermines
yes please cite the section you refer to

>>2262038
<any work that creates surplus value for the capitalist is productive. that is what the word means
Wrong. This bourgeoisie's notion of productivity. Our tautological vulgar bourgeois economist say all labor that create profit is productive. Vulgar bourgeois economic wrong. Marx say wage-earning market workers produce no value. Mao say shopkeepers as semi-proletarian. Car dealership employees produce no value.

>>2262808
Wrong.
>Since the direct purpose and the actual product of capitalist production is surplus value, only such labour is productive, and only such an exerter of labour capacity is a productive worker, as directly produces surplus value.

>That worker is productive who performs productive labour, and that labour is productive which directly creates surplus value, i.e. valorises capital.


>Only the narrow-minded bourgeois, who regards the capitalist form of production as its absolute form, hence as the sole natural form of production, can confuse the question of what are productive labour and productive workers from the standpoint of capital with the question of what productive labour is in general, and can therefore be satisfied with the tautological answer that all that labour is productive which produces, which results in a product

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1864/economic/ch02b.htm

>>2261957
>The guy who admitted to never having read Marx's Capital said otherwise
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Turdworldist

>>2260163
>they shoulda read Marx LMAO
They did, he was required reading for membership. Don't get your history from movies.



 

I simultaneously hate and appreciate psychology. There is potential for it to be incredibly useful but it’s bogged down by absolute dogshit social constructs like vid related. Obviously, people can start anticipating scarcity and develop a “mindset” centered around it, but these dumbasses never address the elephant in the room which is that capitalism creates scarcity and having a mindset that anticipates it is a rational response when you’ve been conditioned like Pavlov’s dog.
In this way, psychology greases the wheels of capitalism by stigmatizing survival mechanisms that are triggered from the environments people live in. Instead of working towards an environment that doesn’t evoke these responses, people are instead asked to work on themselves. The individual is scapegoated and the economic system is passed over. I think modalities like liberation psychology present themselves as one solution to this problem but I’m not sure it goes far enough. Too much of it still carries the baggage of “social justice” that makes it difficult to move past. I would like to know if people here have suggestions on how it could be advanced within a far left framework.

>>2262863
read capitalism and schizophrenia by deleuze and guattari

I'm not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but I've been doing Dialectical Behavior Therapy, and it's helped me a lot.

The general takeaway has been that, while I'm not wrong for being concerned about the world around me, I need to be rational about it. I need to take inventory of things in an objective way, and loop everything back to something actionable. For example, I have a habit of doomscrolling. We discussed that, while I'm absolutely in the right for wanting to stay informed and in-touch, this isn't actually helping me. Social media is a whole lot of noise, and even when you have numbers, it's pretty much impossible to eek out what they actually mean. I was told to, instead, to begin preparing myself for potential problems generally, and to focus more on my own activism, accepting that the world is a chaotic place and being proactive rather than reactive.

>>2262963
I also do DBT and it has helped me a lot.



 

Hey guys I'm indian and ive been thinking of starting a new religion to save this country. Basically i just realised that the only real change that can happen here is through religion, like the buddha did. When my religion takes over, ill start adding coommunist stuff to it. The basic gist of it is that god isnt intelligent or even alive and that we can do anything, such as worshipping the sun, cannibalizing etc, also nothing happens after death, but you still live on through your children quite literally. Whats your opinion on this? I'm thinking of a cool name, I might steal mithraism. Also do you guys think my reduction of Indian history into religion is true?
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>>2262740
in china rural peasants worship mao in temples and pray to him fro good fortune

>>2262744
Why? It's literally the only thing special about here

>>2262740
good luck anon

>>2262760
Because India is rife with religious extremism and esotericism.

>>2262765
It was the same in 500 bc before buddha was enlightened.



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Friends, I need help. One of my best friends, who is an arab muslim, just told me she's reading the book Pawns in the Game by William Guy Carr and told me I should read it too. We were talking about Palestine, which we do a lot, but this time she started talking about how the jews were causing all sorts of problems in Europe, how Karl Marx was a jew and how they caused the French and Russian revolutions. Then she straight up asked me if I really think 6 million died. Like I said she's muslim but isn't very conservative (she doesn't even wear hijab). She's a compassionate, rational and perfectly lovely person otherwise. The fuck do I do?

I haven't read the book yet but it references both Protocols of the Elders of Zion and a letter supposedly written by the prominent freemason Albert Pike which outlines a secret plan for three world wars (I happen to know quite a lot about Pike and this letter is a hoax). What do you do when friends you love start going down these rabbit holes?
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argue against her

Mating press her like castro mating pressed that assasin

Basic bitch reactionary with an arab aesthetic. Redirect them to Finkle and jewish protests against Israel. Remind her that the reactionaries she is listening to would kill her on the spot (both islamists and nazis). If she is too in deep into the algorith, it's over. Just tell her to not talk about those topics with you and move on.

>>2262307
>Remind her that the reactionaries she is listening to would kill her on the spot (both islamists and nazis).
This is good and I did point this out. A common narrative among modern nazis is that the jews are orchestrating muslim immigration to Europe to destroy western civilization. So according to the people this stuff comes from she is part of the conspiracy and as such would need to be "dealt with" in one way or another.

My biggest issue is how to argue against "old school" European antisemitism and "light" holocaust revisionism. I've never encountered this shit in the wild so I have no experience dealing with it. Arguments like how the jews were expelled from so many countries that it has to be their fault somehow. Thankfully the book she mentioned is so obviously bullshit because of how it cites confirmed forgeries like the Albert Pike letter, that nothing else in it can be taken seriously.

>>2237681
it's part and parcel of having muslim friends.
I just act dumb and switch the topic to football instead



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German prosecutors move to strip AfD lawmaker's immunity amid bribery probe
Public prosecutors in Germany have moved to strip a politician from the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) of his immunity as a lawmaker after initiating a probe into bribery and money laundering allegations, local media reported on Friday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-prosecutors-move-strip-afd-lawmakers-immunity-amid-bribery-probe-2025-05-09/

NHS plans cuts to jobs and services to avoid £6.6bn deficit
In a survey for NHS Providers, 47 per cent of trust leaders warned they are rolling back services to balance the books, while another 43 per cent are considering doing so.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/nhs-plans-cuts-jobs-and-services-avoid-ps66bn-deficit

Israel intercepts missile launched by Yemen’s Houthis
Houthi rebels fired a “hypersonic ballistic missile” towards Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv, while also claiming a drone attack “targeting a vital Israeli enemy target” in the same area, according to the group’s military spokesperson, Yahya Saree.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/9/houthis-claim-responsibility-for-missile-attack-on-israel-airport
https://archive.ph/HRCbA

Aid workers slam plans by US contractors to take over Gaza aid distribution
The newly created Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is reportedly attempting to implement a new aid distribution system that supplants the current arrangement run by the United Nations and other international aid agencies. The UN and aid groups have rejected the Israeli authorities’ attempts to control aid distribution.
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Michigan’s Trumpian Attorney General Is a Democrat
A police crackdown on students protesting Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza. An attorney general throwing the book at the antiwar activists. Reckless accusations of antisemitism against anyone who disagrees. Protesters’ doors kicked down and raided by armed police. It’s just another day in Donald Trump’s America. Except in this case in question, none of it was done by Trump or even happened while he was president. All of these things happened in a Democrat-controlled state, at the hands of a Democratic attorney general, almost all of it while a Democrat was president. Felony charges were brought against seven antiwar student protesters by Michigan attorney general Dana Nesssel last year, charges that have been criticized as an assault on the rights to free speech and protest — and which were, fortunately and unexpectedly, dropped by Nessel earlier this week. The whole episode is a reminder that as much as the Democratic Party rightly charges Trump and other right-wing political opponents with authoritarianism, its own officials have often acted indistinguishably from the president in defense of Israel’s bloody war on Gaza.
https://jacobin.com/2025/05/michigan-ag-nessel-gaza-protesters

CP of India, CPI on Operation Sindoor by Indian Armed Forces
Given the grave provocation and loss of innocent lives, CPI believes that India had little choice but to respond firmly against the sources of such terrorism. The targeted nature of the strikes—avoiding Pakistani military assets and focusing solely on terrorist infrastructure—demonstrates a calibrated and non-escalatory approach, prioritizing accountability without inviting full-scale conflict. At the same time, CPI urges the Government of India to immediately call for an all-Party meeting to strengthen national consensus and collective resolve in the fight against terrorism. We reiterate the importance of pursuing diplomatic avenues to prevent further escalation and preserve peace in our region and also to arrive at political solutions.
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-India-CPI-on-Operation-Sindoor-by-Indian-Armed-Forces/

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>>2261783
>CP of India, CPI on Operation Sindoor by Indian Armed Forces
Fascist apologia. The CPI and CPI(M) should be ashamed of their complicity.
>Social-Chauvinist Policy Behind a Cover of Internationalist Phrases
>We say nothing of the fact that bourgeois society is continually producing politicians who love to assert they belong to no class, and opportunists who love to call themselves socialists, both of whom deliberately and systematically deceive the masses with the most florid and “radical” words.
Extremely apt thing to include immediately after that.

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Thanks News Anon

>>2261688
>PKK says held congress on dissolution, decision to be announced ‘very soon’
I hope a less cucked faction takes over and continues the fight against t*rkish colonialism of Kurdistan.

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>>2262158
yeah, sure.



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Why can't we have a world where people with differing ideologies can just agree to live separately and not fuck with eachother? Why does everyone feel the need to "save", "liberate" or "civilize" other nations?

I'm not even picking on anyone in particular here, although there are obviously certain nations that are better than others in this regard (the difference between the US and China comes to mind), but overall it seems like every ideology's implicit end goal is to cover the whole earth. Why is that? I would say it's a result of material conditions blah blah blah, but it seems to go back to the dawn of civilization itself, which confuses me.
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>>2262232
>Why would they have killed Mao?
if your goal is to renew society, your prime target ought to be its oldest members.
>The bureucracy isn't a state. This is just like transportation and logistics stuff that needs to exist.
you never mention legislation here, why? where are the courthouses? where are the police and military?

>>2262246
What do you mean target its oldest members? Why? You target people based on class and class affiliation alone.

There would not be a police or military in communism. That is the point of what I'm trying to say. If a police force and judiciary did exist, it would be completely diffirent from what we know today, because the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.

>>2262251
>What do you mean target its oldest members?
the cultural revolution was lead by the youth to dismantle reactionary upstarts in china. yet, if unconditional progress is the call, then why do its oldest members preserve themselves? its because mao was largely purging competition from within the party itself to protect his interests. progress then, is not unconditional, but conditioned by existing power.
>There would not be a police or military in communism
why not?
>the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.
the state also mediates civil society to preserve order. its "law *and* order" for that purpose.

>>2262258
You are just repeating ignorant statements.

>>2262429
i am just realistic, not utopian



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