/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1799757
>"In view of this common characteristic of the members of such an organization, all distinctions as between workers and intellectuals, not to speak of distinctions of trade and profession, in both categories, must be effaced."
>"It is immaterial whether a student or a worker is capable of becoming a professional revolutionary."
- Woke PMC Barrister's Assistant, from "What is to be done?".

>>1799490
>>1799476
It depends upon what the 'home' in question is and the scope of its usage as a reserve asset beyond the purpose of mere shelter. Owning a simple small flat is quite different from, say, a suburban house that allows the possibility of equity and rent.

Even in cases of decent-built homes, if the mortgage for example is too high it may disqualify the house from serving as a reserve in an emergency crisis. Plus there are multiple other factors to consider alongside, eg other kinds of potential reserves (stocks etc) alongside it.

Most homeowners in the case of America, for example, don't just own a home - they also have stuff like stocks, mutual funds, pensions and other kinds of savings alongside. All these are cumulative in their consideration as reserves.

There's no reason to believe tenant unions do not also benefit the petit bourgeoisie.

>>1799823
They clearly benefit the poor more than they benefit the petit bourgeois, so it's a moot point.

>>1799829
The whole point of the argument is that they benefit both. A communist shouldn't waste their time or all of the proletariat's time pushing for interclassist reforms when there's bigger fish to fry.

Groups Slam Billionaire Jeffrey Yass for Trying to Oust Pennsylvania Progressive
Yass—who is Pennsylvania's wealthiest person—is a GOP megadonor with a history of funding political action committees (PACs) and other groups opposed to LGBTQ+ rights, abortion, unions, minimum wage increases, public schools, and raising taxes on the rich. He also has dodged $1 billion in taxes, according to a ProPublica investigation, and is reportedly on Republican presidential nominee and former President Donald Trump's shortlist for treasury secretary.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jeffrey-yass

US Kleenex plant contaminated drinking water with PFAS, lawsuit says
Toxic PFAS “forever chemical” pollution from a Connecticut Kleenex plant has contaminated nearby drinking water, put residents’ health at risk and destroyed their property value, a new federal class-action lawsuit alleges.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/kleenex-plant-pfas-toxic-chemicals-lawsuit-connecticut

Mississippi 'Goon Squad' ex-deputy gets 20-year sentence in racist torture of 2 Black men
A former Mississippi sheriff’s deputy who was part of a self-described "Goon Squad" was sentenced Tuesday to about 20 years in prison for his part in torturing two Black men last year, after a neighbor complained that the men were staying in a home with a white woman.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mississippi-goon-squad-ex-deputy-gets-20-year-sentence-racist-torture-rcna144104

Tyson Foods to close Iowa pork plant with 1,200 workers
The pork plant employed about 1,200 people in Perry, which has about 8,200 residents and is located near the state capital Des Moines, Mayor Dirk Cavanaugh said. "It's a big blow to the community," he said by phone. "It's our largest employer in the area. It's going to be tough to figure out what to do without them."
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CP of Venezuela, Manuel Isidro Molina will be the PCV's candidate for the presidential elections
"This candidacy is not only to participate in the electoral process, but it is a proposal to advance in the process of accumulation of forces and impulse of the struggles of the workers, peasants, communities and indigenous peoples, of the popular movement in general; of women, youth and students; of the intelligentsia capable of identifying itself with a popular democratic solution to the national catastrophe for which both the bourgeois fraction that leads the country from Miraflores and the bourgeois fractions that from the opposition have promoted lines of intervention and foreign aggression against the country are responsible", explained Figuera. The leader of the PCV, described the proposal as "a candidacy to renew the confidence in the own forces of the working class and the Venezuelan people; to raise and recover the dignity of our people against those who attack us daily and try to lead us to situations of violence, abstention, fragmentation of the popular forces to continue reigning and continue taking advantage of the spaces of power and government for their enrichment".
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Venezuela-Manuel-Isidro-Molina-will-be-the-PCVs-candidate-for-the-presidential-elections/

Don’t blame migrants for the housing crisis
Want to buy a typically-priced house in Gadigal/Sydney? As of December, the cost of that median residence was $1,595,310, up 10.6% from 2022. Across all Australian capitals, the price rise in 2023 was 7.8%. For perspective, that put the ratio of housing prices to household income in Sydney at 13.3 times, making the city the second most unaffordable in the world after Hong Kong. A median-priced house in Naarm/Melbourne last year would set you back 9.9 times annual household earnings, not far behind San Francisco. Even Adelaide, at 8.2 times, was similar to Miami. For rents, the story has been similar, with prices spiralling far beyond pay rises and the broader inflation rate. In the 12 months to December, Australian rents rose nationally by 9.1% cent for houses, and by 13.1% for units. The median rent for all housing reached $580, or 44.6% of median weekly earnings ofPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

TYBNA

>>1797737
They get dispossessed and disappear as a class, just like the proletariat btw, classless society is what it means, no more wage, commodities and labor, no more workers and capitalists.

>>1799420
Karl Marx, famous activist and trades union fanboy

>>1797737
So does the proletariat, dumbass.

>>1799423
Holy fuck.

didnt read. looks like some schizopost

>>1798798
It's like when people post the document from air force psyops program shit about convincing people we have Havana Syndrome weapons in order to claim we do have them

>>1798803 (Me)
Actually my tone there was derogatory but I want to downgrade it to autistic thing noticing. This is an interesting discussion in and of itself. These types of partial disclosures forming an Alex Jones style schizo culture which then discredits actual leaks. Then you have the third newer layer of limited hangout whistleblowing which occupies people looking for legit coded things.
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>pastebin still has the ukkkraine "solidarity" logo after 2 years

cringe and glow; sick of ukkkraine shills

Well, the good thing about being manipulated is: We don't notice it and we believe, we are doing things voluntarily.

>>1797888
I agree completely about the determined aspect of our being, but that also doesnt denote "materialism" as an ontology. "Materialism" is overstated today; its an old concept that is only revived by marxists. To me, materialism begins and ends with the enlightenment, which is due to the legacy of german idealism, which marx borrows from in hegel too.
"Dialectical materialism" was not something formalised in marx and engels' works, and only became known from the state philosophy of the soviet union under stalin, the same way "leninism" was also defined as a doctrine by stalin.
The dialectical process of marx is still ideal in structure; of history fulfilling its own idea, which is the same to hegel. Marx's inversion of hegel only comes in the scientific analysis of agency, where he puts emphasis in the mass, and where hegel puts agency in an enlightened minority.
Also, the "matter" of materialism is very different in concept than what we see today, and so it is literally outdated, i would even say, with einstein's relativity (where the newtonian absolutism is the model of matter as a uniform structure).
The scientific idea of cosmic evolution to me gives Idea to its dialectical process, where we begin with physics, which turns to chemistry and ends in biology. Like hegel, i find the completeness of nature in its phenomena, and so find the fullness of "matter" in this self-movement towards life.
Neo-darwinists would say this is also true, in that life expresses the chaos of the universe, but i also think there is "idea" to the very meaning of reality in this way. To me, biology is the meaning of physics, the same way man is the meaning of nature.
politically and socially, materialism occupies the discourse of "neutrality" where it attempts to supersede our kantian subjectivity by positing the notion of an "objective" perspective that you are only allowed to argue with on the terms set by materialists. This is the strategy of both liberals and communists alike [the children of leftism] since it debases the primacy of the qualitative [by dialectical self-reference, or concrete totality] into the quantitative, "objective" gaze of "facts and logic" or "reason" or "science". Reason thus is set as an epistemology from which the neutral party speaks and all others are irrational. This is the basis of the parliaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1797522
Good points. Ancient Rome was always an oligarchic system. Full stop. End of. The republican period was only "republican" because the two consuls - the officials acting as heads of state and government - were elected and stayed in office for a term of one year and they were barred from being re-elected straight away, while the mythological kings ruled for life and they were properly a monarchic - i.e. rule of one - kind of figure, but it has to be said that them too were elected. And btw, elective monarchies or other lifelong chieftainships in some eras and some places could be more common then hereditary ones, but that's another topic.
Also, "republican" institutions, conventions and traditions survived the institution of the "principality" - what we call the empire as having an emperor in power - with Augustus until the remaining western part of the empire was finally liquidated in the 5th century, but for the most part they only served ceremonial and symbolic functions. The real power struggle was between the Senate - and sometimes there were different senatorial factions fighting each other - and the emperors. Popular masses were for the most part manipulated by one or the other for their ends.
Getting back to the republican period, the Senate and the actual ruling classes always did whatever they could to stop consuls or other officials that showed excessive favour toward the poor and the dispossessed. Everyone know the story of the Gracchi brothers - both assassinated, one about a decade after the other - but other figures were relatively luckier: sometimes auspices just read some really nasty omen on the day a certain official had to be sworn in, so the guy got wind of the thing and renounced to get in office straight away.
Source: Roman born and living in Rome.

>>1795836
Yeah I bet you know all about a ton of guys

>>1796695
The Republic was already dead in its inability to enact social reforms. Gracchi brothers tried their best and destroyed republican norms trying.

>>1798580
>Also, "republican" institutions, conventions and traditions survived the institution of the "principality" - what we call the empire as having an emperor in power - with Augustus until the remaining western part of the empire was finally liquidated in the 5th century, but for the most part they only served ceremonial and symbolic functions.

Fun fact the Senate survived the 5th century collapse of the western empire. Odoacer was a short lived king who was quickly deposed by Theoderic. Theoderic ruled Italy with a consent of an eastern emperor and as a vassal of him (on paper, he was defacto autonomous). Because of that he kept the Roman institutions around. They were still around when Belisarius invaded Italy in 6th century. And I don't actually know when they were dissolved, probably by Longobards.

>>1771393
thirdposter

>>1771387
Not really

>>1771387
pig chimps have little logic and restrain dont trust them

>>1773836
A lot of people in this thread are idiots who belong in jail, they are looking for naive ideologies who are about to try this experiment yet again

>>1773836
base precedes superstructure so a socialist base means socialist law enforcement in the superstructure. while a capitalist base means capitalist law enforcement in the superstructure. in a socialist society laws constitute a dictatorship of the proletariat class. In a capitalist society laws constitute a dictatorship of the bourgeois class.

Marx's labor theory of value is derived from Adam Smith and Ricardo. It states that the value of a commodity is more or less equivalent to the average hours of labor it takes to produce it. It can explain why you will never be able to exchange a pencil for a fancy car.
You can find the core of it in the first chapter of Capital, beginning with considerations about utility and market exchange. It's a dense text, but it's a valuable thing to read, several times even, to be more knowledgeable about economics.

>>1798581
I would also agree that austrian "economics" is primarily moral in nature, with its transcendental critiques like "praxeology" and its rationalistic discourse of "human action" taking precedence over empirical reality. But thats why the chicago school (sowell, friedman, etc) has always been superior to the austrian cultists.

>>1798522
>If I labor 50 hours polishing a turd versus 5 hours, how does that make my turd more valuable?
<le mudpies critique
this is peak QTDDTOT. this is chapter 1 volume 1 shit. Not even brainlets like Bohm-Bawerk stoop to the "mudpies" critique. Marx explicitly states it has to useful labour producing a commodity with a use value. Sitting around polishing a turd is not useful labour.

>>1798522
if reading Capital is too hard; at least watch this

>If I labor 50 hours polishing a turd versus 5 hours, how does that make my turd more valuable?
No. This is addressed within the first few paragraphs of Capital

US Volkswagen workers file for union election to join United Auto Workers
It is the first union election filing for the union since it launched a massive campaign aimed at organizing 150,000 workers at non-unionized auto plants in the US in the wake of securing historic gains in their contracts at the big three US automakers, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/18/volkswagen-workers-file-union-election-to-join-uaw

San Francisco protesters who blocked bridge to demand cease-fire will avoid criminal proceedings
Seventy-eight protesters were ordered to do five hours of community service and pay restitution to avoid criminal proceedings for allegedly blocking traffic on the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge for hours in November to demand a cease-fire in Gaza, prosecutors said.
https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-protesters-charged-israel-gaza-war-3f48ce5eecfb9f49b30bc989dbef0d25

War on Gaza: Christian Americans mobilise for Gaza ceasefire and against Zionism
"Christian Zionism and Christian Nationalism work side by side - both are ideologies that justify violence against others, fueling antisemitism and anti-Muslim violence, and currently enabling a genocide. We instead turn to the liberating path of Jesus, who fought against empire and proclaimed 'Blessed are the peacemakers'."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-christian-americans-mobilise-gaza-ceasefire-and-against-zionism

Attorney wants stiffest penalties ahead of sentencings for Rankin Co. ‘Goon Squad’
Attorneys for the two men who were tortured by six Rankin County law enforcement officers are seeking the stiffest sentences possible ahead of their sentencings this week. “Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker continue to suffer emotionally and physically since this horrific and bloody attack by Rankin County deputies,” said attoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Ben Barka Was a Lost Leader of the International Left
Mehdi Ben Barka was a leading figure in the Moroccan nationalist movement against French colonialism. After independence, he became the focal point for opposition to the autocratic rule of King Hassan II and a driving force behind the alliance of national liberation movements that came together at the 1966 Tricontinental Conference in Havana. However, Ben Barka never made it to the conference. On October 29, 1965, he was approached by two police officers on his way to a well-known brasserie in central Paris. They led him to a car and then he was driven to a villa on the outskirts of Paris. He was never seen again. It is likely that Ben Barka’s assassination was ordered by King Hassan II and carried out by his interior minister Mohamed Oufkir, who was convicted of the murder in absentia by a French court in 1967. Supporting roles were played by President Charles de Gaulle’s secret services, a network spanning parallel police forces and the criminal underworld, masterminded by his dirty-tricks fixer, Jacques Foccart, and by Israel’s national intelligence agency, Mossad. The full truth behind the murder has never come to light. Successive French presidents from De Gaulle to Emmanuel Macron have persistently obstructed justice in the name of secret défense, a perfectly legal and very effective means of covering up state crimes.
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/ben-barka-morocco-colonialism-nationalism

Workers' rights have not improved since the P&O scandal – quite the reverse
Despite a flurry of cosmetic outrage from Tory ministers at the time, they have done nothing to deter employers from copying P&O by dismissing workers en masse to replace them with cheaper labour, and have further undermined workers’ rights through draconian anti-strike legislation. There are few clearer examples of the impunity granted to corporate crooks than the P&O scandal. Boss Peter Hebblethwaite actually admitted in Parliament that the firm knew it was behaving illegally when it sacked 786 seafarers by video link (claiming that they were being made redundant, though they were in fact being replaced) and then had them escorted off their ships by masked goons. P&O simply calculated that the cost of breaking the law would be outwePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thanks News Anon

>>1795294
He's right, and you're using TOR. Sorry that unionizing and joining the SRA isn't all there is to life and the most obvious solution that appealed to you might have some doubts around it.

>>1797627 (Me)
Some of us have to wonder why certain people get burned alive in their cars while Mike Prysner and the SRA go about their merry business.

>>1797627
>>1797628
puppets

>>1794928
Why are you so worried about being shoot for trespassing? Why are you hanging around in the yards of strangers?

>>1797996
Even the forests of rural america are "no trespassing" but every square mile of the eastern half of the country is dotted with boomer suburban housing development which prevents poor americans from being able to even walk through the woods without potentially being shot for "looking suspicious". This isnt a problem in europe because they have a concept called "the right to travel" which puts the rights of people to walk wherever they want above the rights of private property owners. It's a simple contradiction of priorities, nothing more.

>>1791971
Yes but idk what to tell you anon you're on an anonymous imageboard ran in part by incel misogo types.

Feminism and socialism go hand in hand. Our enemies know this, do you? Patriarchy and capitalism are interconnected and reinforce each other in important ways.

>>1796744
Capitalism is sure reinforced my lower life expectancy and mental health.

Feminism is a bourgeois movement, that is why Kollontai and other Marxist "feminists" refused to call themselves that. Feminism believes in patriarchy while Marxism knows capitalism is the core of society. In fact what feminists call "patriarchy" are inseperable parts capitalist society. Even thinking that "patriarchy and capitalism go hand in hand" is just another way to somehow look at "patriarchy" without capitalism or capitalism without "patriarchy". This is kind of like saying that a Covid-infection and coughing "go hand in hand". Obviously that is the case but the actual underlying problem is the infection, and the solution is to cure the infection. Meanwhile the feminists see "the cough" as the problem, as if it had an existence on its own, which is merely "entangled" with the infection.

Another thing to consider, is that in the theory of "patriarchy", the male is seen as the oppressor. In this way feminism not only sees the wrong reason for the female-specific forms of oppression, but also serves to divide the working class. In this, it actually furthers bourgeois interests. In reality only man and woman together can free themselves of capitalist oppression, which then leads to the emancipation of women as part of emancipation of every human being.

Marxism-Leninism and communism are the way forward for women, not feminism.

>>1797945
>Feminism believes in patriarchy while Marxism knows capitalism is the core of society.
Marx "believed in patriarchy" he just understood it as a particular social system and not a general term for sexism. According to Marx, capitalism was the historical movement that overcomes patriarchal rule in a final sense, so to be a Marxist and take patriarchy in concrete terms is to consider the struggle against patriarchy a principally bourgeois struggle in the last analysis. That doesn't mean, however, that the triuimph over the remnants of the patriarchy is necessarily completed within capitalism before a transition to socialism begins, but it does certainly relegate it to a secondary consideration both for its dependence on the material base and for most of the struggle (probably) already being completed.

Additionally, even self-identified Marxist feminists tend to agree that women's "liberation" under capitalism is somewhat of a double-edged sword. Principally of course, the great majority of women are working class and face the associated oppression thereof. Secondarily, many of the effects of women's entrance into the common labor force (proletarianization per se) has had various negative consequences. These include but are not limited to: a swelling of the labor force (lowering worker bargaining power), new responsibilities as expenses as employees, and a freeing from attachment to a husband to a new attachment to one or (often) more employers who are in a position to take advantage socially and sexually. None of this is patriarchy so much as it is a new, capitalism-based form of oppression that is only partially different in character from what their male peers experience. Therefore, the resolution to these issues is the overthrow of capitalism, and with men and women positioned much more as peers than at most other points in (recorded) history, the prospect of cross-gender solidarity is far greater than it ever has been.

That said, there is no excuse for socialism to backslide one millimeter on the matter of overcoming sexism, and indeed it must be the task of socialism to overcome new or sublated forms of discrimination which took shape under capitalism.