/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

We don't. On Leftypol, it's a wordfilter of the racial slur "N*gger", intended to trip up people from rightwing communities who get angry when you don't let them speak like that.

you're so right! nuke Beijing NOW

What the fuck is this graph

>>2183664
>political chart shite
>no mention of their policies or examples.

So are you going to give us something to analyse OP, or are you just going to post a chart and take it at face value?

>>2182333
>They only recognize oppression when it involves some other process.
Then maybe we shouldn't be reinforcing that tendency by de-emphasizing class as the primary basis of exploitation and oppression.
>Ironically you see more class consciousness and racialism from those groups that aren't defined by being proles, because they're already disillusioned with the aspirational myths of capitalism by virtue of how they are discarded.
That's true to a point, and its certainly true that racialization makes racialized people far more likely to be dissidents, however it very often doesn't promote class consciousness as such. The relationship between capitalism and race is not always immediately apparent, and the experience of racialization can just as easily funnel people towards ethnic nationalism or othe forms of false consciousness. Remember that even at their height, the Black Panthers were significantly outnumbered by the Nation of Islam. Generally forms of bourgeois Black radicalism are more prominent than socialism. Dispelling this tendency requires materialist analysis and Marxist education/agitation, exactly like dispelling the white tendency to blame racialized people, immigrants, etc. This is a big issue I have with Sakai-adjacent arguments, a lot of the tendencies towards racially motivated false consciousness can be seen among racialized people, just as it can be seen among whites. The only difference is that in the former case its usually less virulently reactionary. Racialization alienates people from the status quo and makes them its enemies, but it doesn't necessarily promote an accurate understanding of the real causes of their problems or the necessary solutions.

>>2174719
>My hot take on vanguardism in the imperial core is that no revolutionary labor aristocracy party is possible. Due to the bourgeoise character of the imperial core, more horizontal forms of organization are necessary. There is no cause of national liberation to unite the country the way there is in the periphery.
This is the most incoherent basterdization of marxism that i've read in a while, congratulations.

>National liberation
Not needed for the vanguard party, see the bolsheviks, who invented and perfected the entire model of a communist party. They did not fight a war of national liberation, they fought against their own national bourgeoisie and aristocracy. And Mao fought against the national bourgoiesie for a large part too, the KMT was the nationalist block, which the CPC then fought after jointly kicking out the Japanese. Only in examples such as Vietnam can you speak of the conception of the party as the national liberation vanguard.
>Due to the bourgeoise character of the imperial core, more horizontal forms of organization are necessary.
1. Why would you need horizontal forms of organisation?
2. Does not follow at all from there being a higher degree of labour aristocracy.
> in the imperial core is that no revolutionary labor aristocracy party is possible.
The labor aristocracy is the small section of the working class that fills positions of manegerial or extremely well paid jobs, and therefore have outlooks alligned with the bourgoiesie.
1. These are a minority even in the imperial core
2. By definition, they tend to be *bourgoies* minded, so it makes no sense whatsoever to speak of "a labor aristocracy party". "A labor aristocratic communist vanguard party" is an incoherent, self contradicting idea.
>My hot take
Its not hot, you're one in thousands of retarded uneducated nationalists who aren't marxists because you read marx but because you think xyz national hero figure is cool. Theres plenty of people with identical incoherent views as you.
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>>2175353
>>2175356
Not an argument.
If you want to play pretend about politics which say groups with a certain skin colour are better than others and are the only ones worth listening to, might I suggest checking out 4chan.org/pol
This is a marxist board, not a race fetish larp board.

>>2182333
No. Members of white churches or other fascist cults are class traitors, cops or bourgeoise proletariate. They are bribed with the privilege of essential social services to terrorize their fellow workers (queers, Black people, etc…). Look into Operation Gladio. Racist violence has always been tacitly approved by the American state.

>>2182393
IMO Nation of Islam is controlled by the feds. It follows that NOI is really a paramilitary wing of the state in the same fashion that the white churches are. I think there's an argument to make that enough status in the NOI makes you bourgeoise proletariate (so a cop) or possibly a comprador (you profit off of facilitating access to super-exploited markets).

>>2184350
I misread that as ejaculation device at first

Whats the better slur for Russians
Russhits or Ziggers
Cause I gotta choose one when getting drafted and I have to execute sum with my big american cock

>>2184366
It is if you're freaky enough.

>>2184176
>muh irony
2015 was 10 years ago

>>2184372
There were many videos, can't find them now.

Jewish supremacy has largely replaced white supremacy as the dominant ideology in the United States

>>2184351
they are white though

>>2184357
Judaism is a universal religion, most nations in the world have some jewish presence, it wasn’t until the rise of naziism and zionism respectively that judaism got racialized

>>2184364
the origins were in the 19th century with the rise of racial 'science' when jews were turned from a religion into a race category.

>>2184364
>Judaism is a universal religion

Not really.

>>2184367
He's right. My family are greek-cypriot who migrated after all the drama with the turks and the military base, they get called distinctly non-white slurs on the street and even the woman in my family have had anti-muslim sentiment for being veiled despite not only being christians but being substantially more christian than the 'christian' in the countries they migrated to.
TBH the med should fucking show how absurd ideas of western civilization and european races and all this actually are.

>>2184367
>Ancient Greeks were black

Jesus fuckin Christ, talking about cultural appropriation, it's like black people can't be happy with their own genuine history and need to go "we wuz", same tier as those nazi nordicism claim even fuckin old China was Nordic, totally delusional

>>2184434
Was Hitler black too?

>>2184432
>>2184434
That's not what the book is about. It's about how much of classical Greek culture was heavily influenced by Egypt and Asia, and how these influences were later deliberately downplayed/denied by Victorian scholars for racist reasons. Not that ancient Greek people were literally Black as we would use that term today.

>>2184432
<doesn't read book
>assoooooming
<gets mad
Lmfao. Peak /leftypol/

>>2182590
>oh, so the falling rates of profit dont actually matter then if the profit rate can just be "reset" by wars?
That peak is always still below the previous peaks induced by wars.
Even marx wasn't confident on the falling rate of profit, but empirically as a long term trend it is looking very solid at this point.

>>2182560
>if this esoteric "science" of yours has no predictive power, then what exactly is "scientific" about it?


a tendency for the value rate of profit to decline during long wave periods of expansion [a "novel fact" according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also, this tendency is not predicted by neoclassical economics]

the relative immiseration of the proletariat, i.e., an increase in the rate of surplus-value, as a secular trend [not predicted by neoclassical theory]

an inherent tendency toward technological change, as a secular trend [a "novel fact" according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also not predicted by neoclassical theory]

an increase in the physical ratio of machinery (and raw materials) to current labor, as a secular trend [not predicted by neoclassical theory – indeed, neoclassical theory cannot even provide an ex-post explanation of the causes of the observed increase in this ratio, because it cannot discriminate empirically between supply causes and demand causes]

a secular tendency for technological change to substitute machinery for labor even in capitalist economies which are "labor-abundant" or "capital scarce" [neoclassical theory, by contrast, seems to predict that labor abundant economies should be characterized by the widespread replacement of machinery with labor, both by "substitution" and perhaps by an induced "labor-saving" bias in technological change; however, the history of developing countries supports Marx's prediction and contradicts neoclassical theory]

an inherent conflict between workers and capitalists over the length of the working day [a "novel fact" according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also not predicted by neoclassical theory – indeed, the empirical evidence also contradicts the neoclassical theory of labor supply, according to which the working day is determined by the preferences of workers, because competition among firms forces them to accommodate workers' preferences (according to this theory, there should be no conflict between firms and workers over the length of the working day, but competition has the opposite ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2182590
>>investment creates profit
investment in established industries with high technology has a low return on investment compared to investment in new industries that havent implemented technology, like underdeveloped or war torn countries.
>so why dont they end it if its in their power?
>>2181790
>organizing
are you just completely unaware of marxism yet confidently sure about it?

OP, you are trying to talk about Marxism without ever engaging with its content. You speak of state intervention "working" while preserving "civil liberties", without asking to what end it is working and what exactly these civil liberties mean for the life of the proletariat.

To answer the question "what exactly is wrong with social democracy?": everything that is wrong with capitalism. If you want an understanding of that, engage with a critique of political economy.

>>2182053
>>2182055
trvth nvke

>>2175711
True, in capitalist US man exploits man, in socialist China, it's the other way around.

>>2183997
I only pray they can find the ultra secret double basement trapdoors and free all of the totally not gangrapists 🥰

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG_LQbhtCyo/?igsh=MTQ4NjU4ZTNocW13eA==

Video about a city in Syria by a guy there saying how much killing is happening he wears a mask to protect identity

>>2101410
but the br*ish and harry truman bear the majority of the responsibility for israel.

read this for insight into the fall of Assad:

ozgurpolitika(dot)com/haberi-esada-darbeyi-rusya-organize-etti-198558

>>2181443
> expel all laconic forces within our ranks,
When do that send to us not the liberals or other fascists plox Tankyoo!

>>2183551
>I doubt we're going back to this, to be honest.
Sure, everyone would think it's really hokey and unconvincing if you did this now. Though it's not like people in the recent past were simple-minded. I'm sure there's a deeper, contextual 'why' behind ideological effect. Whatever it was, parades did seem to do something, in their own time. But as always, you work with what you've got. As this pertains to:
>They're just as deracinated and atomized as everybody else
I wonder 'works' in this new context. It's mostly infertile soil. I don't even really like communal integrity being a benchmark of success anymore, I don't think any of that 'works', it's like using GDP as a measure of economic success–maybe in the 1950s that all meant something. I don't think anyone is actually affected by communal experiences of God or expressions of faith. Every one of these people who claim to be driven by or deeply concerned with communal religiosity turn out to invariably be rapists, pedophiles, infidelious, generally just putting on a front of religiosity to cope with their real individual proclivities; I don't really think there are exceptions to this now. And so it is their individual experience of God and their individual belief conflicts and crises which have meaning in this new paradigm.

>>2183629
It's not just the parade, it's the whole package. The stirring music that isn't Ode to Joy but could be, the voice of the narrator, and everyone marching off into the sunset together. It's a "grand narrative" and I suppose I'm also a product of a postmodern atmosphere by contrast to that. And then to paraphrase Hobsbawm again, he didn't believe in a utopia and said that wasn't what he believed at the time. He felt that the choice was between a world and NO WORLD at all. Like that is what they felt the stakes were at that time.

>>2183538
That decision was made by the ruling class. Although a part of the population supports the idea due to their mundane, meaningless lives

>>2183629
>Whatever it was, parades did seem to do something, in their own time.
We still have parades every where all the time.

>>2159204
>Oh wait, it hurts you in the nuts knowing that Staline's forces had reach their limits
Lmao muh lend-lease saved you commies have been debunked multiple times. It saved lives but wasnt what tipped the war to the Soviets in the east

>>2183763
Yeah :/

>>2154870
>But Nazism stood against the private control of the Reichsbank and usury as that kind of banking is certainly the sickest form of capitalism of all. I guess that's why nazis can't stomach fascists, the differences are too colossal to ignore.
>Isn't Communism a system where the state is the owner and managing the capital of everything in a fair way?
I tried to make an effort reading through your posts, but wtf is this shit? It gives the impression that you haven't read a single book in your entire life, as if your entire historical and political outlook is built upon casual conversations you had or memes you saw. Communism is where you manage capital in a fair way? The Nazis were against usury, the banks lacked private control? Have you even looked into who ran the economic councils of the Nazis?

>>2155293
>It didn't pay off only because they had a small fraction of the resources of these two powers combined and yet they came horribly close to winning. You gravely underestimate the might of these technological nightmares they came up with.
<Implying the Axis were only Nazi Germany
<Implying the territory of Nazi Germany was limited to only the borders of the Germany we know today and that their starting resources were as limited as you make them out to be
<Implying "muh wunderwaffen" weren't just wasteful resource sinks and that their early victories weren't just the result of attacking "early" against their wholly unprepared opposition while also outnumbering them at the beginning of the war with a largely veteran makeup (which they lost as the war went on)
WW2 illiteracy will be the death of us.

anyone who is anti-communist is doing the work of fascism, knowingly or not.

political repression of right wing ideology is good

authoritarianism is a meaningless word for 'politicians that do things i don't like'

violence against right wing movements is good

any ideology of ethnic supremacy is fascist, but not all ideologies that involve ethnicity are fascist. native americans for example organizing along ethnic lines is not fascist, they are responding to historical injustices that were perpetrated along psuedoscientific racial boundaries - to ignore these would be to whitewash the history of ethnic cleansing against native americans.

however, europeans 'resisting multi-culturalism in europe that was generated by the capitalist system' is indeed fascist, given that these movements are by and of the ethnic majority/hegemony, and rely on fictitious or heavily misinterpreted 'immigrant crime statistics' or fearmongering about birth rates to justify their white supremacist beliefs. 'multi-culturalism' is the antithesis of fascism, the belief that multiple cultures can coexist peacefully is the opposite of ethno-nationalist, ethnic supremacist beliefs. once there is a historically white country (settler nations like america, israel, and south africa don't count) where the government is made up of a severe majority of non-whites, then we can maybe start to talk about organizing around white ethnicity in a non-problematic way, being careful not to cede any theoretical ground to ethno-supremacism of any kind.