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Hong Kong is one of the world's most densely populated areas, with an overall density of approximately 7,177 people per square kilometer as of 2023. The population is heavily concentrated, with districts like Kwun Tong exceeding 57,000 people per square kilometer…
With such crowd density, an incident like the Seoul Halloween crowd crush is inevitable to happen.

All the complaining of westerners about "Kowloon walled city" while the rest of HK wasn't any better, if anything at least in the Kowloon walled city people could manage at least their own space.

In fact it already happened - the 1993 Lan Kwai Fong, Hong Kong, tragedy saw 21 people killed and 63 injured on New Year's Eve, when 20,000 celebrators crowded narrow, sloping streets, causing a fatal crush due to alcohol-slicked, slippery roads.
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It's because Hong Kong is capitalist and due to the terms of the handover agreement made with Britain (One Country Two Systems) has preserved its economic system along with the oligarchy from the colonial times.

Once China completes the takeover in 2047 or whenever they should expropriate all the retarded landlords and fix up the place because it's just a torture chamber generating a constant stream of libtards at the moment.

Electronic porky says - move in the moshpit
😂😂😂😂😂

HK needs to be liberated by Xi

I played sleeping dogs, good game although main character is a literal cop, even there Hong Kong looked like a shithole.

USA - Imperialist Hell
Amerikkka is the world's most densely imperialist area, with an overall density of approximately 7,177 imperialisms per treat as of 2026. The population is heavily faggotised, with districts like New York exceeding 57,000 faggots per square kilometer…
With such faggot density, an incident like the Nuremburg Rally is inevitable to happen.

All the complaining of westerners about "MAGA fascists" while the rest of USA wasn't any better.

In fact it already happened - everyday outside the USA, tragedy saw 217292628 people killed and 63728262 injured during treat production, when 20,000 yanks crowded narrow oesophagii with treats, causing a fatal treatchoke due to cholesterol-slicked, cloggy arteries.



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2686205
Bro I don't care about trans issues and neither did Marx, this is really isn't a 'gotcha' because it has nothing to do with the left/right distinction in the organic sense, it's psy-op slop that is irrelevant to all but 1% of the population.

>>2686299
So trans comrades don’t matter?

Hate to say it, but I see why the political right is so appealing to disgruntled former leftists.

The left (at least, in the US) has no real political goals. It's confined to berating and cancelling each other over social media. And for what purpose? Weeding out oppressive behaviours? How does that lead us to accomplish our goals on a political level?

The right-wing, on the other hand, knows that it's creating a new world, a worse world, but that's how they want it. They remain politically-focused while the left only acts within the social realm.

>>2649015
Many of these people develop an inner "fuck you" towards their former comrades as well as towards the public at large. Think about how jaded even armchair activists get with the public for not striking, voting for SocDems, etc., while also being THE PERSON providing the ideological ammunition and fuel to the activist base.

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>>2679498
I mean, a lot of this has to do with the issue of Black wealth and the fact Black folks feel like they can't get out of poverty because Black money doesn't stay with Black communities. A lot of Black nationalists will attack rich and even middle-class Blacks for having children with non-Black partners (usually white, Hispanic, or Pinoy) because the money won't be passed down to Black hands but mixed hands. Intergenerational wealth is something whites often take for granted whereas it's something Blacks consider crucial to the survival of their communities.



 

Materialist analysis of celebrities engaging in activism?

Recently, we’ve seen notable celebrities like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo speak out against Trump and ICE. Their social media profiles are full of anti-ICE sentiment. Billie has also spoken out against billionaires despite being rich herself. So what’s going on here? Is there any chance that celebrities like Billie and Olivia can hold radical leftist political views? A lot of celebrities and musicians were involved in the 60s New Left, by comparison. Are we seeing a rebirth of this?
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Fuck Billie Eilish and her Rosa-killer brother.

>>2673165 Petitboug just get carried with the current usually. If the proletariat is winning they join the cause of labour against the big capitalist class, if reaction is winning they join it against the proles to preserve their property

Right wing or left wing celebrity activism is the same waiting for some millionaire to save you people is insane brain rot that shows yoir just a petit bourgeoise loser

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>>2687236
amerikan celebrities are but purest distilation of fascism and bourgeois degeneracy that permeate entirety of genocidal settler euroamerikan formation which is wholly bourgeois

She is a martyr though.

Billie is being blacklisted by Hollywood as we speak.



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Why do MLs hate Trotsky so much? What takes did he have that makes MLs absolutely despise him? Wasn't he even endorsed by Lenin to be his successor? I feel like even major revisionists like Tito and Gorbachev don't get as much hate as Trotsky.
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>>2686432
Love how Anarchist cry about Trotsky killing them as somehow being unfair.
Like, obviously? They're opposite sides in a fucking war? The Kronstadt rebels and Makhnovites were trying to kill the Bolsheviks just as hard as the Bolsheviks were trying to kill the Anarchists.
Why do anarkiddies think the reds should have just lied down and given up for them?

>>2686637
Trotsky had nothing to do with Kronstadt though he did support it being crushed.

>>2686674
>Trotsky had nothing to do with Kronstadt
Who do you think issued the ultimatum to the rebels? Who ordered the attack?

>>2686256
I second this. Trotsky is a damn good writer in general, but History of the Russian Revolution is on still another level. Trotsky proves that Marxist history doesn't have to be strictly about statistics showing class formation and so on; instead he writes a vivid narrative history that puts the reader right in the middle of historic events, in a way which reminds me of John Reed's Ten Days That Shook the World. Then at the end of each chapter, he pulls out the statistics showing class formation and draws theoretical lessons from what took place. I actually think that the narrative Trotsky spins is very misleading in places (especially the stress he places on Lenin's April Theses being a supposed turning point for the party), but he tells it so damn well that I wholeheartedly recommend the book anyway.
>>2685701
Opposition to the Big Bang theory isn't just a Trotskyist thing, it's just that Alan Woods, permanent founder-leader of the most prominent Trot party today, opposes it on the basis of Engels' explicit philosophical opposition to a god-created finite universe (which in turn goes back to Holbach etc etc). In doing so he's following a long tradition of Marxists that are skeptical of the concept. I haven't studied this specifically, but I'm pretty damn sure that the Soviet academy under Stalin was also opposed to the Big Bang theory.

I fully support Woods speaking out against against cosmological orthodoxy (which is based on a lot less empirical evidence than you'd assume). What I oppose is being required to accept Woods's philosophy as some sort of prerequisite for political unity. Being forced to accept the great leader's views on subjects as distant as cosmology is an absurd example of everything that's wrong with socialist organizations today.

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>>2686526
Having read a lot of Trotsky, that is absolutely something I could see him doing.

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“The problem with Trotsky is that Stalin got to kill him instead of us”
Too right wing



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>yeah the revolution will take place in an industrial country like Germany or Britain or however the berches is braided
>ends up happening in agrarian shitholes instead
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>>2685230
its interesting how he argued it would happen in the west within industrial societies, but it happened in the east to cause rapid industrialization

What's stopping us from just all deciding on a time and date for the revolution?
Then we just spam that we're doing it for a couple months all over social media, get streamers or whoever else to mention it, it gives people time to organise… and then when the day comes, we actually do it and begin *the* class war?
Thing is nobody else would take it seriously would they? Nobody would join me. Most of these leftists don't actually want to start something.


>>2687283
yeah the more risky the behavior, the greater the reward, but the greater the likelihood of injury, imprisonment, or death. So always bet on people doing low-mid risk behavior more often than high risk behavior… unless it's really addictive and provides an immediate reward, like drug use…

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Akshually what you’re probably referring to as “revolutions” were just bourgeois nationalist struggles. Revolutions happened in industrialized countries (Germany, Hungary) but were defeated due to Bolschevik mandated opportunism (I piss on an image of Radek every morning)



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Is revolution possible in the SECOND WORLD? Occupied by the first world in Europe and allied with the third world in central asia.
HMMMM???
Ever thought about that?
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>>2689209
It will definitely be within OP's lifetime with the way things are going particularly Central Asia and Russia

>>2689279
a part two would be interesting, kino even, but i dont think it's gauranteed

>>2687685
>SECOND WORLD
hasn't been a thing for almost 40 years now
>>2687701
propagation of totalitarian systems including communism has been illegal in poland since 1992

it used to be a dead law because no one takes commies seriously but communist parties haven't been legal for decades

>>2689309
Tbf everyone knows that glazing trump with words(but not necessarily substantial actions) is an easy way to get on his good side and secure more favorable relations without paying any actual cost.



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“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1908860526400057534

"The legacy media never mentions white genocide in South Africa, because it doesn’t fit their narrative that whites can be victims"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1904065163407368212

Even Musk's AI is based.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1916042294018666585

"The ADL is a hate group"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973289543848829225

He supports remigration.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997700657546191314

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2616361
Yes this is just rhetorical cover because he knows most people are retarded. He doesn't actually mean any of it.

>>2616360
>“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
"But I would never ever ever hire a white person"

I can't get over how immature and childish this man is.

But he does.

Can I have a uhh, 500 million African immigrants and uh another 500 million Indians, thanks.



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Why did european socialists surrender their nationalist credentials to a bunch of we wuzing porno addict larpers post 1989?
>In the 40 years of People's Poland, we became an industrialised, urbanised, maritime country. The western and northern lands were reclaimed and developed. Revolutionary reforms and socialist transformations freed society from social injustice, unemployment and illiteracy."
>On 29 July Stalin asked Bolesław Bierut, the head of the Soviet-aligned Polish government, to accept in consideration of the large American concessions. The Polish delegation decided to accept a boundary of the administration zone at "somewhere between the western Neisse and the Kwisa". Later that day the Poles changed their mind: "Bierut, accompanied by Rola-Zymierski, returned to Stalin and argued against any compromise with the Americans. Stalin told his Polish protégés that he would defend their position at the conference."

Because the USSR is no more and you live in the Epstein Cinematic Universe. Things will only get worse. Stay vigilant lads.

>>2688959
because everywhere in the world there are a bunch of yesmen that are perfectly fine living under a slave state,a socialist republic,a bourgeois dictatorship,as long as they can still get lobster from time to time and keep their job.

and they're very good at pretending to be ideologically driven,while actually not giving a single shit,they will obey you until you get invaded,and then they will do a 360 and be collaborators,and you might think "well those guys are worthless" except they're very comfortable for a ruler to have,because unlike someone that actually has passion and interest,they're never going to disagree and challenge you,and you probably killed half of those while the rats gladly take their place

>>2688959
socialist movement in poland specifically never had any nationalist credentials to start with
before war it was a political platform for jewish immigrants from russian empire exclusively, centered around bund
during the war it got thoroughly purged and revitalized with new nkvd approved new blood, mostly jewish immigrants from the soviets
and after thawing supposed nationalist credentials were invalidated by association with soviets via warsaw pact
up to the 60s poles had barely any input into politics in (nominally) their own country
in the 60s gomulka who was a genuine nationalist got outsted for getting too chummy with chinese
in the 70s gierek who tried to create a genuinely polish socialism got outsted for getting too chummy with the free world
in the 80s poland ended up with jaruzel who was no less of an ussr puppet than bierut
and after '89 socialist movement in poland went back to being exclusively a platform for jewish diaspora



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concentration of wealth is matching or exceeding what it was in the nadir of the gilded age

at least back then there was a labor movement that was actually gaining momentum. people were getting shot at for striking and they kept striking anyway. now we've got guys working three gig apps. We have an economy increasingly revolving around everyone being servants for rich people

the thing that gets me is how normalized it all is. rockefeller and carnegie were at least publicly shamed into building libraries and universities. our guys just build rockets and buy social media platforms and everyone claps. the PR is better now

Normal people cannot afford houses. The slavery of capitalism is probably at its worst in history today and its very bleak to imagine

This is a historically uncomfortable place to be in because of how inconsistent progress has been. Or multidirectional. The ugliest faces of imperialism have been cleaned away (outright racism, outright colonial brutality) but the logic remains
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>>2689027
I have, the difference is that I am.not delusional

>>2689194
The US is plotting how to invade whatever "AES" shithole you believe has any revolutionary potential as we speak.

>>2689208
China mogs the US militarywise thobeit.

>>2689212
The US is gonna fight China until the last South Korean, Filipino, Japanese, and Australian

Yeah its pretty obvious that things are not working and there shouldnt be billionares never mind trillionares. P sure theres s way to streamline government with computers somehow and make is effective as markets but alas everyone is too dumb so we stick with the ol market anarchy.



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what are the implications that capitalists are actually eating people to find out that people form MIT think eating babies will make them younger is pretty shocking
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>>2687531
They will taste better that's for sure.

>>2687534
well you can make stem cells without them being inside of babies. beyond baby burger

>>2687534
>iphone poster

What's this about eating babies?

>>2687537
It wasn't literal jerky. They talked about keeping it refrigerated. They just used jerky as a code word. Just like how pizza wasn't literal.



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