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Let's imagine an economy where production and distribution is determined through a plan, where workers obey an elected factory manager, and where there is no massive corruption or parallel market activity.
How would the following issues be solved ?

>information problem

How do you determine where to allocate labor, and where to distribute the products

>Under/Over reporting problem

There is an incentive gap between the workers at a factory tasked with production, and the planners who do not know how much they can produce.
How do you make certain that the workers are truthful about their productive capacities ?

>innovation problem

How do you make sure that there workers aim at adopting and implementing new technologies to the fullest extent possible, and that they also try to develop local innovations by themselves.
In essence, how do you make sure that the workers use the most efficient means of production.

>ECP/Price determination

If the economy is currency-less, how do you determine opportunity-costs ? If there is some form of tractability between goods, how do you determine the prices of different goods.
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>>2858485
  1. transportation has to break even, including subsidies. it is a material fact that people's desire to travel by air is much better served today than it was pre-1975. (it's such a strong fact your best get-out clause is environmentalism, that they're doing it too much!)
  2. it's an obvious fact the US won't let Boeing go under because they're a defense contractor. if you don't think the US war machine causes undesirable economic distortions, you're an imbecile. It's not a question of government Vs non-government (plenty of countries have state owned airlines that operate in a normal market fashion because it's just about the most international industry there is), it's an obvious case of the US government specifically fucking up. you don't see New Zealand making planes that kill people.
  3. on the contrary I have many premises, which is why I find your lazy assumptions about my motivations and inability to tell different users apart incredibly both tedious and, in and of themselves, part of the case against planning.

>>2858541
> on the contrary I have many premises, which is why I find your lazy assumptions about my motivations and inability to tell different users apart incredibly both tedious and, in and of themselves, part of the case against planning.
>its a material fact
>its an obvious fact
lots of assumptions there bud, still no premise

>>2858541
yeah, dirt cheap travel by plane is totally a prerequisite for a functioning market economy and not an example of the excesses and wastefulness of it. boeing becoming a dysfunctional quasi state enterprise that lost its core competency in engineering and manufacturing functional air planes is a great example for how well the market is able to allocate ressources in an efficient manner.
you ignoring every good faith post giving you arguments isn't you being a dishonest wrecker moron.

its totally us who are lazy and combatative and not you who has not a single clue about even the most basic fundamentals of political economy; or how a modern manufacturing supply chain operates end to end.

>>2858806
  1. (you) every post you think is mine, I need a good laugh
  2. yes, people being able to travel is good, actually.
  3. you can't accuse me of blaming the state for boeing's failures and then turn around to claim I'm using it being a quasi state entity as an example of market efficiency. this is just incoherent. stop seething and think before you post. (after you hastily (you) half the thread, of course.)

>>2858861
Nothing and no one will ever travel, that’s immigration and it’s scabbing



 

Why do Western governments make it easy for their citizens to access drugs and CP via the darknet?

Shouldn't civilized countries actually be consistently eliminating access to such filth?
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>>2858243
>irl jannies

now just imagining anon getting pulled over by a state trooper and being like "shut the fuck up, clean up after me janny!!"

I'm gonna go against the grain here and say drugs, much like firearms, should be regulated

not even moralfaggotry I just don't want normies, having easy access to shit that may harm me directly (guns and spikable drugs) or indirectly ("I'm so high bro"-itis), they better go through as many hoops as possible and be put on as many publicly accessible lists with as much detail as possible too

>>2858508
bro anyone can just stab you or poison you with common household items anyways.

>>2858509
>reductio ad absurdum
come on bruh

or wait maybe you're onto something and so is the bri'ish guvnmint, maybe we should need a loicence for those

>>2858249
That's basically how we treat police in the UK, as it should be. Its changing though.



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>>2854809
let the retard enjoy pride how he wants

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Just wanna say good luck against Morocco, Canada! Rooting for ya guys.

CUM sticks together.



Nuke Morrocco NOW



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


<Factory Status? Edition


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list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2857759
Stalin would have done worse the the hippies.

>>2858335
It's pretty telling that one of your friends is a thug who murdered innocent people for the endless profits of capital, feels no remorse and you empathize with him, because this is your end goal, the complete, violent destruction of the rest of the world to benefit America.

Unlike your friend, you're just too much of a coward to do anything about it.

>>2858533
If Stalin invaded Vietnam he should not only have been resisted, but shot

>>2858549
There’s no such thing as an innocent person, let’s be real here

>>2857800
>all the posting about cpusa i did it
<if u have to hear one more time you did it for the revolution
>I did for me
>I liked it I was good at it it made me feel alive



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Think about it. Humans have been around for 300,000 years and didn't have code of law until the last 3,800 during the Bronze Age when Hammurabi ruled Mesopotamia. Before that, humans were animals just like any other. Before the farming revolution of the neolithic period 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, we were all hunter-gatherers. The moment we switched from stones to metal was the moment humanity messed up. When we were cave and hut dwellers, our world was way different. Humans are going outside of their very nature to enslave itself, basically. Laws, religions, all of these are forms of control. We need to stop pretending we are above other animals. We are destroying the world with our bullshit.
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>>2858105
Ok but that does not mean that there will be no industrial capacities or infrastructure left after, regardless of the exonomic model that comes after. And it surely doesn't mean we can just go back to primitivist lives. (something that seems very ill defined, but that might just be me lacking knowledge about it)

>>2858103
2016 ass meme goddamn

>>2857565
Honestly, I just don't like the idea of having to work 8 hours a day just for the benefit of the few. I wish I could go back to the village and live a solitary life free from other society, other people genuinely scare me. I won't have enough money to achieve this though, but I just hate modern industrial society so much….

>>2858127
2016 wasn't this horny

>>2858126
again the critique made by primitivists isn't that all forms of industry will completely disappear but that complex industrial system of the modern world is fragile and can collapse given a strong enough economy down turn and crisis.



 

>be ayn rand
>have the bad kind of narcissistic personality disorder(unlike me)
>support the most popular thing(capitalism) and make books where your the best and the people who oppose it are bad
>people somehow dickride and support you over 100 years later
i am envious of her everyday but atleast im right even if i dont get that amount of praise and attention after and before death
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>In the 1960s and 1970s, Rand developed and promoted her Objectivist philosophy through nonfiction, media appearances, and speeches,[98][99] including annual lectures at the Ford Hall Forum.[100] In answers to audience questions, she took controversial stances on political and social issues. These included supporting abortion rights,[101] opposing the Vietnam War and the military draft (but condemning many draft dodgers as "bums"),[102][103] supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War of 1973 against a coalition of Arab nations as "civilized men fighting savages",[104][105] claiming European colonists had the right to invade and take land inhabited by American Indians,[105][106] and calling homosexuality "immoral" and "disgusting", despite advocating the repeal of all laws concerning it.[107]
huh

rand and most lolbert shit is just secular calvinism

>have the bad kind of narcissistic personality disorder(unlike me)
unironically think paranoid personality disorder makes sense given the current state of things

Show us on the doll where the leftcom touched you




 

French court: Collège de France decision to cancel Palestine conference 'disproportionate'
The court's rapporteur-general considered the conference's cancellation to have been "disproportionate", recalling that French law provides a high degree of protection for academic freedom and that the Collège de France administration, if it believed the conference posed "a particular kind of risk", could have proceeded with security arrangements that would have allowed it to take place, rather than cancelling it outright.
https://www.newarab.com/news/french-court-questions-why-palestine-conference-cancelled

Spain’s conservatives and far-right Vox increase ties with Andalucía coalition
The incumbent PP regional president, Juan Manuel Moreno Bonilla, had hoped to govern alone to avoid depending on Vox, which has been seeking to drag the PP further to the right in regional coalitions by insisting Spanish-born people receive priority over those born abroad for housing and public services.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/03/spain-conservatives-pp-far-right-vox-party-andalucia-coalition-deal

Two men who stabbed journalist on behalf of Iranian regime face jail sentences
Iran International journalist Pouria Zeraati was left bleeding in the street after he was attacked outside his south-west London home on March 29 2024. Nandito Badea, 21, and George Stana, 25, were both found guilty last month of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm after a trial at Woolwich Crown Court.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/two-men-who-stabbed-journalist-behalf-iranian-regime-face-jail-sentences

Man who sold land for Kushner-backed Albania development probed over alleged money laundering, drug trafficking
Artur Shehu, a Miami resident with dual U.S. and Albanian nationality, is being investigated by Albanian prosecutors who allege there is "sufficient eviPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Is Kamala Harris trying to win back Democrat voters with a pro-Palestine approach?
Other than Mamdani, Harris has reportedly met with one member of the Uncommitted National Movement, the protest group founded by Layla Elabed and Abbas Alawieh, which urged the United States government to impose an arms embargo on Israel and call for a ceasefire during Israel's genocidal war on the Gaza Strip.
https://www.newarab.com/news/harris-trying-win-back-voters-pro-palestine-approach

Pope Serving as ‘Chinese Communist Agent’ by Criticizing AI, Says Tech Billionaire Peter Thiel
According to a Thursday report from CNN, Thiel told the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado on Tuesday that the pope was inadvertently serving as a “Chinese communist agent” when he released a 42,000-word encyclical that called for strict regulation of AI, a technology that the pontiff said heightens the “risk of dehumanization” throughout the world.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/peter-thiel-pope-ai

'Stretched to the limit': Heat wave prompts US electrical grid emergency
PJM supplies power to about 65 million customers in Washington, D.C., and in all or parts of 13 states, including Delaware, Michigan, Maryland, Kentucky, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia. Wright's emergency declaration, which went into effect at 11:59 p.m. on Tuesday and will run through 11:59 p.m. on Friday, also directs PJM to conserve energy by curtailing power to data centers that have backup generators and other non-emergency facilities that use a lot of electricity.
https://abcnews.com/US/stretched-limit-heat-wave-prompts-us-electrical-grid/story?id=134369230

A California farmer is giving away tons of nectarines that he’s not allowed to sell
Since 2023, the third-generation farmer in the agricultural community of Reedley in California’s Central Valley has been fighting a lawsuit filed against him by Giumarra Brothers Fruit Co. The suit centPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Victims of Communism?
Putting aside whether the recent DSA electoral wins pose an existential threat to the capitalist class, the underlying fear has a material basis. As the billionaire class, and now, grotesquely, the trillionaire class, reap record profits, the quality of life in the heart of global capitalism and imperialism appears to be in rapid decline. Among the top leading causes of death for young people in the United States are drug overdoses, death by suicide, and gun deaths. Life expectancy has cratered across the board. For American Indian people, the decline in life expectancy is particularly acute, falling in recent years from an already abysmal of 71 years down to 65—with South Dakota reporting a median age of death for American Indian people of death at a staggering 58 years. Despite more than a million COVID deaths in the United States, the drop in life expectancy is caused by more than the pandemic; it includes massive inequalities and social and economic factors.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/07/03/victims-of-communism/

Why Does Andy Burnham Have so Little to Say on Foreign Policy?
In these listless days of Keir Starmer’s premiership, we’re all gasping for a crumb of real news. Ministers of state are being asked to weigh in on whether kids should be allowed to stay up for the England match this weekend, while the rest of the Parliamentary Labour Party is trying to hover around Andy Burnham’s eyeline in case he gives them a job. Labour, taking a breather after many months of public screeching, has decided to take its dirty laundry indoors. The selection of James Purnell as chief of staff last week gave us all something to chew over: but until we learn who gets the chancellor brief (Ed Miliband? Yvette Cooper? A secret third thing?) we’re all trying to patch together a sense of the next prime minister’s domestic agenda through set-piece speeches and unofficial briefings. The MP for Makerfield has been running a tightly controlled operation. He hasn’t taken many questions from the scrum at recent public appearances, preferring instead to sit down on his own terms with Andrew Marr on LBC, post TikToks with varying levels of seriousness, and answer questions on Reddit later this afternoon. It’s a fine balance between not appearing to hide and not tankPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

TYBNA!!!!!!!!



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What are the best arguments for or against third-worldism?

>Is there a true “proletariat” within the global north?

>How culpable are the rank and file citizenry in first world nations?
>Do first world nations have potential for proletarian revolution from within, or can they only be destroyed externally by “proletarian nations”?
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>>2857659
> I'm talking about the observable historical reality of workers self organizing that is also observably absent in the modern day.
how do you observe the past, hippy? do you have a time machine

>>2857608
they believe in american exceptionalism and conflict of civilizations just as much as any other NeoCon they just disagree on who le good civilization-state is and still think the world revolves around america and americans.

>>2857667
i agree. strip out the very superficial use of slogans and jargon and you can sort them into two categories: liberal idealists clinging to anarchism and agent provocateurs

>>2857665
Read a book uygha

>>2857765
go to bed



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No bait no rageful discussion just honest question, Why was he so hated?

It seems to me that By all means he is an orthodox marxist and his writings perfectly fine. And his criticisms of the USSR seem non-objectionable to most people (Totalitarianism is bad, More party discourse needed, More worker democracy, etc.)

Why is he so hated among many marxist circles? Hate doesn't describe it, He is thoroughly despised.
I'm all ears. and will respond if I have time.
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>>2856178
menshevik revisionist who conspired with enemies of the revolution to remove stalin as premier 100% because he was malding that both lenin and the party liked stalin better. in exile he formed the 100% bourgeois CPUSA that to this day has yet to acheive anything, and wrote a bunch of cringe shit about how the proletariat of oppressed nations couldn't do revolution properly and they needed le western left to help. got booted out of the USA and went to mexico where he hooked up with frieda kahlo: quintessential libtard postcolonialist art ho who was pretending to be indigenous.

in short:
>he a snake
>he stupid
>he don't got bars
>his bitch is wack

>>2856443
why? I like being cool and having cool friends.

>>2857041
>can't spout commodity-producing furrTRVTH without open mysoginy
ever wonder why nobody likes you guys?

>>2857094
just saying he got MOGGED so hard by stalin his gf had a mustache.

>>2856950
They repaid that by assassinating him after bombing the soviet embassy
RE: The doctors' plot



 

The global economy is overproducing in general. Abolishing overproduction would not lead to drop in living standards, since with planning and rationing we can ensure decent living standards for 8.5 billion people using 30% of current production, and use the remaining surplus for luxury, free time, and science.
<Some narratives* in international development hold that ending poverty and achieving good lives for all will require every country to reach the levels of GDP per capita that currently characterise high-income countries.
<However, this would require increasing total global output and resource use several times over, dramatically exacerbating ecological breakdown.
<Furthermore, universal convergence along these lines is unlikely within the imperialist structure of the existing world economy.
<Here we demonstrate that this dilemma can be resolved with a different approach, rooted in recent needs-based analyses of poverty and development.
<Strategies for development should not pursue capitalist growth and increased aggregate production as such, but should rather increase the specific forms of production that are necessary to improve capabilities and meet human needs at a high standard, while ensuring universal access to key goods and services through public provisioning and decommodification.
<At the same time, in high-income countries**, less-necessary production should be scaled down to enable faster decarbonization and to help bring resource use back within planetary boundaries.
<With this approach, good lives can be achieved for all without requiring large increases in total global throughput and output.==
<Provisioning decent living standards (DLS) for 8.5 billion people would require only 30% of current global resource and energy use, leaving a substantial surplus for additional consumption, public luxury, scientific advancement, and other social investmentsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2854484
>Abolishing overproduction would not lead to drop in living standards, since with planning and rationing we can ensure decent living standards for 8.5 billion people using 30% of current production, and use the remaining surplus for luxury, free time, and science.

umm fuck your science. it's bourgeois. clearly the world is a zero sum game. every calorie that goes into a westoid tummy is ripped out of a third world tummy.

(jk anon, this is totally correct and has been correct for decades now)

>>2854546
>every american has a car, 3 iphones, a laptop, a gaming pc, a smart watch, a fridge, a microwace, AC, and hundreds of useless little trinkets they buy from time to time
even the homeless. it's true

>>2854546
And yet if you eliminate the inherent wastefulness of capitalism it becomes possible for literally everybody in the world to have a comparable living standard without growing global GDP.

>>2854546
Another farbage cigarflag post

>>2854484
search copper -> no results
search soil -> no results
search coltan -> no results
search concrete -> no results

Anyway the left should figure out if we need to expand the means of production to overcome scarcity or if we're actually overproducing and just have to distribute it better. The latter is probably more optimistic unless you want to start doing asteroid mining or we figure a way to save the topsoil and vanishing fossil water.



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