/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2765348
see >>2765159, first picrel.

>>2765340
What about boobs on the ground?

giga fizzle
nothing ever happens
you still have to go to work tomorrow

>>2765343
the old fat pedo turd can now sense that everyone around him is doubting or disgusted with him, so he's reducing his circle to only the most committed zionist warmongers and trump personality cultists

>>2764329
For what? Love to know what rule I broke.

>>2764341
the implicit rule of not being a dumb frogposter

>>2764351
Pepe & Pepo make me laugh and that's not liable to change any time soon.

>>2764326
>This hasn't ever been achieved anymore than any White Power movement in the United States has succeeding in getting closer to a Fourth Reich. Every single Communist country has been almost entirely homogenous in every way - it was Russian imperialism upon Eastern European countries that made them hate Communism far more than anything Communism itself did or whether or not it was being practiced correctly.

Big joke, all communist revolutions were not homogeneous with communists of various races, contrary to the fantasy you have in your head. You don't understand what imperialist capitalism is; read "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" about the dominance of finance capital as inevitable in the competition and accumulation of capital. All bourgeois states will be overthrown, the supremacy of the proletariat will be established, and any counter-revolutionary, reformist, liberal, and reactionary will be re-educated and punished for denying the new ruling class. Your opinion, apologists of the bourgeoisie and tradition, means nothing to me and will be crushed. I don't value sentimentality and nostalgia from lackeys of finance capital who will eventually be discarded by the bourgeoisie.

>Yeah that's not gonna happen for people with a healthy relationship with their own identity - nobody wants to be a Kalergite Bugman in the Global Communist Crusade.

Wrong, workers will form socialist culture without chauvinism or reactionary influence, without private property and social classes to feed false consciousness. This will be done in a socialist economy without profit.

>What culture? You're gonna end up destroying it and replacing it with something artificial in it's place by the bayonet. Somehow this was also not OK when the British Empire or any other Western European Empire did it… but now it's really swag for Commies to?

The socialist culture that will exist in socialist society and will form within it without the exploitation of man by man, acting and organizing collectively according to the economic plan to meet the needs of the workers. The British Empire initially served the interests of its ruling class, the aristocracy, and eventually the bourgeoisie, to accumulate capital. If you had read the text "The Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2764326
If you're too lazy to read, then I'll leave you with a quote from Lenin about what imperialist capitalism is:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

Proletarian internationalism is a duty, no matter what you complain about, and all bourgeois states will be overthrown for the supremacy of the proletariat, no matter your opinion or your outrage.

Capitalism is also morally and aesthetically despicable.
It is a void of being that pushes people into a combo of non-existence + negative work.
It makes me really sad.

Correct, the amoral aspect of capitalism is a correct and calud criticism of it, despite what sone dogmatic leftists believe.

>>2765315
I dont consider myself a scientist, maybe a philosopher or a mystic. I have read some things, but I prefer creating my own worldview based on what I read.
To me, capitalism is morally wrong because everything that is not morally good (like seeking the truth, listening to good music, making love in some way) is actually bad and not just "neutral".
That's where my idea of capitalism as a social and existential void comes from. It literally sucks life from good people and give it to someone who doesn't really care about nothing.
Non-beings and ugly people pretending they are, while good and exceptional stuff being always tossed away and repressed.
I have no idea where this comes from, but I think socialism is a good way of fixing it.

>>2765339
It's the human essence recognizing capitalism is flawed, in the same manner animals in zoos go crazy

Funny thing is, if you take morals out of the equation it’s still a pretty shit system.

> look at china
China operates by the “light-heavy” principle when it comes to the market. It’s not a neoliberal “free-market” and still purposely maintains SOEs which is why neoliberal capitalists in the U.S. are still pissy.

>>2764291
Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention. The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital, since China can pump out 100 cheap EVs for one dogshit F-150.

>>2764291
the US has just as much state aid and protection even if it doesn't have ownership
indeed, regulation and protection from failure matters far more than ownership in terms of skewing market outcomes negatively. americans should all be driving cheap chinese cars, SOE or not.

>>2764294
>Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention.
Find me one where 68% of the total registered capital of all firms have at least some level of state ownership and you might have a point. https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/reassessing-role-state-ownership-chinas-economy
> The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital
Those aren't mutually exclusive. If they could have implemented and maintained "shock therapy" neoliberal policies in China in the late-70s early-80s, they would likely not be having the same issues they are having today.
>>2764300
Ownership is a crucial difference because it's partially how China was able to reject neoliberal shock therapy. The market instead became a tool for development goals instead of falling into the neoliberal trap of being used by the market for the sake of building U.S. dominance. Using China as an example of neoliberal superiority is nonsense when neoliberalism would have wrecked them completely if it had its way.

>>2764353
ownership is not particularly relevant to that development model, which is why china is a mixed economy. the ownership/control distinction blurs almost to irrelevance in such a context anyway.

what you must understand is that the US state acting in market distorting ways is also bad. this is why liberalism is "good" - in almost all areas, the US following the theoretical prescriptions of liberalism leads to better outcomes. neoliberal economic theory, divorced from its flawed, human advocates, will tell you loud and clear that there should be free trade with cuba. (even if cuba doesn't reciprocate!)

or, back to the thesis of the OP: the implementers of neoliberalism let neoliberalism down. would-be neoliberal presidents continued to indulge in protectionism and obviously inefficient regulated/protected markets. in britain, half of neoliberal-hero margaret thatcher's privatizations put former state assets into "private" markets subject to less competitive pressure than the average chinese SOE. what was good in "actually existing neoliberalism" is fading, and what is bad is expanding. all i'm saying is: consider the inverse. imagine if the good were expanded, and the bad were fading, instead of writing off the whole thing and pretending that the closest thing to the kingdom of heaven on earth is the random statist tilts of the nixon administration combined with headline-programs from the dead USSR.

The primary contradiction is whether you can see why kids like the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch

>>2759242
How is class not the primary contradiction when class is tied to why these are consistent problems?

Like proles care about the environment, bourgeosis dont and destroys the planet for profit, and for decades we've been living understood of upcoming crisis of global warming, and we failed to stop it.

>>2762989
based and productive forces pilled

>>2759242
Greta has been discrediting protests and occupying the political scene since day one.
She makes an excellent controlled oppositional pawn which prevents the people from demanding what they need.

The eradication of false competition which works against the people's interests is a step in removing the establishment, even capturing and holding these government pawns hostage is more reasonable than joining them.

Only no kings protests are viable.

whats the difference between strasserism and national bolshevism

>>2764531
If you get up everyday at the same time, go to the same job, do the same things and go to bed at the same time, your brain starts to skip memory in order to safe power. Then some day you wake up and you are scared, because you are 65yo and wasted you life paying taxes to pedophiles.

>>2764647
kek, also interested

>>2764647
>Strasserism
Otto Strasser was a 'guild socialist' who favored de-urbanization and agrarian self-sufficiency.. Basically what Marx would call a reactionary socialist. He was still completely anticommunist and an early proponent of a NATO/EU style alliance against the USSR.
>NazBol
National bolshevism was born from elements of the KPD and German leftcoms in reaction to the treaty of Versailles, when a lot of leftists were turning to nationalism. Decades later the Nazbol manifesto was published by Karl Otto Paetel which rejected marxist philosophy but advocated a planned economy and an alliance with the soviets. Russian Nazbol is a pretty different thing that came much later in the 90s with Limonov and Dugin and took some influence from the Germans but I'm not sure how much. It seems largely right wing mixed with some left-leaning nationalists like Black Lenin.

why is there a leftypol and a leftychan? personal drama or is one site for one leftist tendency and the other for another

>>2764268
Ofc they're not, I just state that exploatition is against self and class intrest of everyone included in porn industry.

>>2764263
Go back to /pol/

>>2764263
>No one has self-intrest in normalisation of drawn pornography except for those who profit from it.
I think this is an interesting point. But why exactly would it not be in the gooner's self-interest?

>>2764362
Because he's unconscious victim of his own addiction which does cause him to involuntary be a cow for endless profit.

Those people don't only destroy their life by addiction which deepen their sexual frustrations but also some people make profit out of it.

Also they're definetly victims of porn in terms of social interactions, alot of males get addicted to porn at very young age (including drawn ones) which determinate their inability in socialising with opposite sex and even may cause rise of misoginistic behaviours which obviously isn't beneficial for them but they don't realise it until it's too late.

i notice that tumblr is covered in ads for some hardcore ai generated fetish porn now. remember a few years ago when tumblr cracked down on "adult content" by basically shadowbanning every user who posted any remotely revealing pictures of themselves? apparently it was never actually the content itself that was morally objectionable, it was the human content creators who were the real target. it's okay to have a site covered in filthy depraved sexual content for perverts to jack off to, what isn't okay is human sex workers making a living off of it and expecting to be treated like human beings. ban all the sex workers and replace them with ai and suddenly there's no ethical dilemma, you can advertise all the creepy incest ai porn you want and nobody will complain.

>>2760892
maybe evidence that they really weren't bullshitting the country in some boiling the frog op re:the war in iran and really thought they'd be done by now. At this point if Cuba collapsed it'd be a tax on resources to take and occupy 10 million people that don't have any strategic resources when resources are in short supply already for the iran war. pissing off russia doing piracy on their tankers has a different feeling of cost to it now vs before the war a couple months ago. the time table is messed up so they'll get back to cuba later, is what they are likely telling themselves.

>>2760384
donald cuck strikes again!

>>2760915
>is what they are likely telling themselves
Yep. They never allow for the law of unintended consequences so they have to keep making rash judgements on the fly.

more ejercito cubano

>>2760358
crazy how darth putler the right wing dick tator was the only one to step up on this meanwhile all the latam "leftist" goverments cucked out

The working class doesn’t want independence or to rule

Cunt for trying to rehabilitate Kautskyism. Trash for that alone
Also Cockshott wiped the floor with him whenever they issued polemics towards each other

>>2763836
he won't. and if he does, he will just recreate nato. he will labelled 'anti-de-dei-zed' nato o algo.
>>2764057
what do you mean? albanesse and starmer did the same.

>>2764057
the event was closed press, the video was not meant to be released, so he was a lot more candid than usual

new thread:
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>>2763969
Trump revealed his presidential library will be in Miami. He is associated with Florida now and is the stereotypical snowbird retiree