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>reading about the Industrial Revolution and its consequences in the contemporary world
<mfw when I realize that Marx believed Communism would be possible because he mistakenly believed that industries would generate infinite resources, which would make the division of labor, the origin of social stratification, meaningless since there would be resources for everyone, unlike the systems of servitude prior to Capitalism where the division of labor had to exist to organize/maximize the production of resources since there were no industries and producing alone would not generate enough resources for a larger population to sustain itself
<mfw Marx did not realize that it is the very dynamics of the organization of the division of labor/classes and not the industries that generate infinite resources because equality of production produces absence of competition. Absence of competition produces absence of incentive for innovation. Absence of innovation produces absence of productivity. Absence of productivity produces nothing and is the reason why socialist regimes simply stagnate and need external intervention to maintain themselves(Rule 10)
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>>2835489
>In practice, however, they generally produced less and faced shortages more frequently, only being surpassed by other countries where there was no even and post-Neolithic serfdom such as those in Africa, though they had modern technology (guns), they still used it for Neolithic purposes (Slavery).
This is what coombrainrot does to your noggin. Produced less lol. Clearly you did not do research. They produced A LOT, but sold it as exports.

>>2835795
>at the hands of the workers
<I mean the hands of the workers *representatives*

>>2835489
> If production were guided solely by social needs, socialist countries should have surpassed capitalist countries in consumer goods and material abundance
They did and still do ? Socialist countries historically have performed better at industrialization and scientific sectors given their original starting point. The lack of material abundance in consumer goods is simply due to the absence of priority given to these goods and socialist countries opting to plan almost entirely for industrialization

<Cuba has good literacy and healthcare compared to its neighbors

<China is world leader in EV and in manufacture
<The USSR pioneered space exploration and nuclear development

gunbuster fans are retarded, color me surprised




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>Powered by Marxist ideology, Revolutionary Socialist (RS) armed groups launched formidable challenges against incumbent regimes during the historical era of the Cold War. As both transformational and transnational actors, they were optimally positioned to execute a revolutionary war doctrine that called for a highly integrated political and military organization that could weave a dense web of interactions with civilian populations. Civil wars featuring RS rebels tended to be robust insurgencies, that is, irregular wars that lasted longer and produced more battlefield fatalities compared to other civil wars. However, this superior capacity failed to translate into a higher rate of victories—hence, a “Marxist Paradox.” By posing a credible threat, RS rebellions engendered equally powerful regime counter-mobilizations. We show how ideology shaped armed conflict in a particular world-historical time and point to implications for the current state of civil conflict.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/ideology-and-revolution-in-civil-wars-the-marxist-paradox/04E59A4D1DA17BD12089D99FA840724A
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>>2845735
Address the article or fuck off you virtue-signalling, narcissistic, fearmongering hater of peasantry.

>>2845738
I addressed the article, ideology doesn’t exist and Cambridge is a factory whose product is British prime ministers, therefore worthless

>>2845740
You simply didn't, you just shat on the chessboard and demanded victory.

>>2845699
>Civil wars featuring RS rebels tended to be robust insurgencies, that is, irregular wars that lasted longer and produced more battlefield fatalities compared to other civil wars. However, this superior capacity failed to translate into a higher rate of victories—hence, a “Marxist Paradox.”
That's cause the objetive of the revolutionary socialist is to radically transform society and abolish commodity production, wage labor and create a classless society, which is extremely difficult.

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>Marxist-Leninists are losers, more news at 11



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First of all, if we were to have rights and a republic, we cannot have government that contradicts that. People say fascism is militarism. I disagree. Every major war over the last 80 years has been because of banks profiting off of war. WW1 taught bankers that war is good for business. During WW2, the isolationist movement that opposed US involvement stated that the founding fathers were against old world conflicts (which they were). Capitalism will always inevitably devolve into authoritarianism. "ANCAP" / non-libertarian socialists have libertarianism all wrong. What we're living in today is end-stage capitalism. The anti-federalists opposed the founding fathers because they feared they would become too powerful. However, I believe that the means of production should be owned by the people and not the government or private corporations.

Why are you not a libertarian socialist?

>>2845927
There' a reason every rich dipshit is a libertarian.

<You’ve got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists: they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn’t; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists.

– GK Chestton

>libertarianism
>collectivism
you have to pick one, anon.



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Georgi Dmitrov:
>the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital.

Umberto Eco's 14 traits:
>cult of tradition, rejection of modernism, irrationalism/action for action’s sake, fear of difference, obsession with conspiracy, nationalism, glorification of struggle, contempt for weakness, selective populism, machismo, newspeak, treating dissent as treason.

Rajani Palme Dutt:
>Monopoly capitalism in crisis creating a dictatorship at the head of a manipulated petty bourgeois mass movement, resulting in the collapse of parliamentary liberalism under capitalism,

Normie Lib Political Science Definition:
>totalitarian authoritarian anti-liberal ultranationalism bulit on a myth of national rebirth, dictatorship, mass mobilization, and political violence

criticisms? thoughts?
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if imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism
fascism is the highest stage of anti-communism

>>2845253
This. The only thing that actually unites them is terroristic repression of socialism and perhaps also autocratic government.

>>2845544
But libs also do it

bro what if trying to connect the fascisms together into one was a mistake. What if generic fascism doesnt exist? What if trying to make one generic fascism definition is doomed to failure and instead we should recognize the different fascsisms as seperate phenemona

>>2845797
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.



 

Why do people act as if “anti-Zionist Jews” are somehow better than overtly Zionist Jews, when nearly all “anti-Zionist” Jews are merely liberal Zios who adhere to the exact same narratives as overt Zios?

Believing Jews have any “connection” to Palestine is Zionist. Believing Jews are entitled to live in Palestine is Zionist. The “one-state solution” is just as settler-colonial as the “two-state solution” since it allows for illegal Zio settlers to remain in the lands they stole through colonialism and genocide.

Stop supporting these genocidal and colonial normalizers. Palestine is NOT South Africa but Algeria, and any true Palestine solidarity must call for the mass expulsion of every Jewish settler in Palestine. There is nothing they have that they didn’t acquire by theft and genocide. All of them must be removed for Palestine to be truly liberated.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2845980
You had jews in Palestine even before zionism. The Ari synagogue was founded in the 1500s for exemple.

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>>2845980
You have a PFLP flag even though the PFLP's position is for a one-state solution in which Jews would be welcome as equal citizens with the same rights as others while rejecting Israel's insistence that their war against Israel is a racial war aiming at eliminating every Jewish citizen and throwing him into the sea.

Jew derangement syndrome.

Based ban



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2839910
>wordfilter changed discord link to fbi.gov
lel

Brandon Lee responding to the Jacglowbin article on planning

>>2841343
thanks

>>2839910
39 minutes in, Leone Castar says he looks for collaborators do develop a chapter how a postcapitalist judiciary would work. Well, I don’t use Discord or Zoom and I prefer to remain anonymous, so I will just drop my answer in this thread.

JURY SYSTEM

To get inspiration, we start with a brief look at a very simple analytical model: There is a group of people trying to answer some question about reality by voting between two options, one true and one false. Each person in the group got more intelligence than zero, so their chance of picking the right option from the two is a bit better than 50 %. Assume the same percentage for each person, with no particular correlation between people. That’s the model. What follows from this? Three things:
  1. The banal thing: The best approach to finding the truth here is to just go with the option that gets more votes, not requiring a super-majority or people voting for representatives who then vote.
  2. The beautiful thing: We can get arbitrarily close to being correct 100 % of the time if the group is big enough. These two conclusions are known as Condorcet’s Jury theorem.
  3. A tricky detail: If you have a group size that is odd and you just add one person, the probability that the group gets the right decision just stays where it is. So the group size should be odd.

When it comes to punishment, I’m thinking of something a bit more complicated than just two options. I think the topic fits into a one-dimensional spatial model. I think such a model fits because we can think of prison time as a quantity shown on a line, and everybody agrees what more or less means here. This agreement is necessary, but not sufficient for a really good fit. It is also necessary that people see themselves as standing on a point on that line. A counter-example: A parliament discusses different proposals for military spending and there might be consensus on how to order these plans from small to big, but the politicians may not all see themselves as standing on one point on that line, but rather with each foot on one end. On that issue, one may be of the opinion: “Go big or go home.”

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>>2845941
you should email your thoughts to him, since I don't think he's aware of the threads
I thought "wall of text"-anon was Leone since it's kind of his posting style but your post directly contradicts this



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I made this without a hint of irony.

I like natural rights, Leninism, Hoxhaism, and my philosophy is heavily influenced by Mishima.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>2845874
Are you Adam Smith anon from the /political economy/ thread?

>two communists, a lib, and a fascist walk into a flag

>>2845874

If rights are not natural, how is it possible to violate them then?

And a much more important issue: One can always deliberately set themselves up with a normative framework that demands given rights be violated at least in given circumstances. You can shout "unnatural" or "evil" all you want and your opponent can simply "Yes. Fuck your rights."

>>2845874
What philosophy? Mishima wrote homoerotic novellas.

>here's a completely unsolicited vague summary of my beliefs, formulate an opinion about it NOW
no, i don't think i will



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so let me get this straight… basically marxism is communism and communism came from marx but marx said "i am not a marxist" and communism is against social-democracy but marxists called themselves socdems until 1914 when marxists and socdems split over the question of whether support their governments in ww1 with the marxists choosing to be "revolutionary defeatists" which confusingly means that revolution will be victorious if don't support your country in the war, but instead support a civil war at home… nobody did this except lenin, so only lenin was a real marxist, and he criticized leftism because leftism is really just the left wing of capitalism, and communism is not left wing or right wing despite everyone calling it left wing, and fascism is right wing, but so is liberalism and social democracy and anarchism and everything except marxism, and basically nothing is left wing except marxism, but marxism is not left wing, because left wing means the left wing of capital but also marx said he wasn't a marxist so marxists are anti communist anyway, but also communism can only be marxist, which is not the left wing of capital, but its own thing completely outside of bourgeois politics, and everything is right wing except marxism.
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>>2843656
>19th century
the utopian socialist fourier realized in 1799 that a new system was needed when he was asked to dispose of rice in Marseilles which had been held back from sale due to being unprofitable despite people starving

>>2845106
>anything leftypoloids have to offer
but anon… the screenshot in question contains two leftypol posts

>>2842843
i thought before marx was utopian socialism with pre-marxist "communism" just being a form of that?

>>2843191
>Lafargue
went on to marry Marx's daughter lol. Imagine a guy disses your strats so you fuck his daughter

>>2843639
>confusing Marxian with Marxist



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


<Peace Is What All True Warriors Strive For Edition


OP Backup Site: https://usapol.neocities.org/
💀 ICE & Prison Resources

(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

ICE tracker using public info and user submissions // https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
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I think to put my position more clearly. None of this shit, adventurism, militantism, whatever can ever succeed against the US military unless we had greater than 50% of the population on our side. And if we had that, there would be no need to go any other route other than "electoralism" (as Marx prescribed, don't make me post all the quotes, but I will)

>>2845854
>or spontaneously appear inside Latin-American countries
Latin America didn't have landowners and capitalists before the US got involved there? They weren't oppressing peasants? There was no slavery or Indigenous genocide?

>>2845858
>And what did that change or accomplish? Now a probably more right wing politician is in power in Japan.
it did kind of go better than planned because weirdly enough the japanese media and public sympathized with the assassin after hearing his story about a (korean) cult ruining his life. and as a result japan's government passed some new anti-cult laws. it probably ironically contributed to Takaichi becoming prime minister as the "korean cult" aspect fueled japanese nationalist anti-korean rhetoric in the country.

>>2845859
>None of this shit, adventurism, militantism, whatever can ever succeed against the US military unless we had greater than 50% of the population on our side. And if we had that, there would be no need to go any other route other than "electoralism"
you're a fucking retard lol. even the bolsheviks and pla had like less than 10% of their respective countries on their side when the revolutions started.

to be clear I'm not advocating potd or adventurism for its own sake but rather if there was a will for americans to revolt the "military power gap" is not something that can't be addressed when it comes to it. insurgencies primarily rely on hand-made equipment and improvised weapons. even modern day insurgencies are mostly just farmers with pitchforks because believe it or not guns are only effective if your enemy lines up to get shot. if you're being surrounded on all sides in deep urban environments where enemies have endless corners to hide behind, bashing you over the head with a metal pipe is just as deadly as a bullet.

>>2845861
>it did kind of go better than planned because weirdly enough the japanese media and public sympathized with the assassin after hearing his story about a (korean) cult ruining his life. and as a result japan's government passed some new anti-cult laws. it probably ironically contributed to Takaichi becoming prime minister as the "korean cult" aspect fueled japanese nationalist anti-korean rhetoric in the country.
That is true.

>>2845861
>you're a fucking retard lol. even the bolsheviks and pla had like less than 10% of their respective countries on their side when the revolutions started.
This isn't Tsarist Russia in the early 20th century dum dum. You guys are as retarded as Christians. Your gospel has no relevance to our current situation.

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Bolivia declares state of emergency amid blockade crisis
According to a government statement, the decree will last 90 days but could be lifted earlier if “violence and threats against the population come to an end”. But more specifically, the decree prohibits “blocking streets, avenues, roads and highways in ways that affect transportation and supplies”. It also orders the armed forces to temporarily support the police “in restoring order, reopening roads and protecting the population.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/20/bolivia-declares-state-of-emergency-amid-blockade-crisis
https://archive.ph/Hpaf4

Peru's Sánchez calls a protest against the result that makes Fujimori the virtual winner
The march, called by Juntos por el Perú (JPP) “in defense of the popular vote,” will be attended by Sánchez himself. The Lima municipality limited vehicle access to the rally area. JPP challenged 2,398 polling tables in Lima and the United States —where the vote favored Fujimori— and filed a total of 32 appeals before the Special Electoral Juries, which were due to decide Friday whether to admit them; if the differences persist, a new recount in a public audience would follow.
https://en.mercopress.com/2026/06/19/peru-s-sanchez-calls-a-protest-against-the-result-that-makes-fujimori-the-virtual-winner

Venezuelan Gov’t Launches US-Backed Dialogue with Hardline Opposition
Upon arriving at the airport on Thursday, Figuera told reporters that she had traveled to Venezuela at the invitation of the US State Department, with her tasks including the establishment of a “credible” electoral council. She added that her work intends to benefit all political forces while avoiding questions about whether the initiative had been coordinated with far-right leader María Corina Machado.
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DOJ memo stokes fear among disability advocates of a return to institutionalization
Without the federal government requiring that states provide these services – to help disabled people integrate into their communities – advocates and legal experts warn that cash-strapped states could cut them and return to what was once common practice: de facto segregation of Americans with disabilities in nursing homes and large institutions.
https://www.npr.org/2026/06/20/nx-s1-5865100/doj-memo-trump-disability-civil-rights-institutionalization

US appeals court blocks Trump admin from enacting new plans to slash consumer watchdog staff
A federal appeals court on Friday blocked the Trump administration's plans to immediately slash the workforce at the U.S. Consumer Financial Protection ​Bureau by about two-thirds, delivering a setback to the White House's protracted ‌efforts to shrink the consumer watchdog.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-appeals-court-blocks-trump-admin-enacting-new-plans-slash-consumer-watchdog-2026-06-19/

Mamdani won New York opposing Israel. Now, his movement wants power in Congress.
Goldman, a former prosecutor who helped lead the first investigation and impeachment trial against President Donald Trump, and Lander, who cross-endorsed Mamdani when they were both seeking the mayoral nomination, are both Jews who call themselves “liberal Zionists.” … Further uptown, Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D), the influential Congressional Hispanic Caucus chair, is facing a similar line of criticism from Darializa Avila Chevalier, a doctoral student who participated in pro-Palestine encampment at Columbia University and who has slammed the congressman for taking money from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/06/20/nyc-congressional-primaries-will-test-mamdani-aipac-influence/
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France’s Left Can't Abandon Workers to the Far Right Interview with Danièle Obono
In less than a year’s time, France will head to the polls to elect a new president. Two of the dominant figures in French politics over the past decade will not be on the ballot. President Emmanuel Macron is constitutionally barred from seeking a third consecutive term, while Marine Le Pen, leader of the Rassemblement National (RN; formerly Front National), has been barred from running following her embezzlement conviction. In her place, the RN’s thirty-year-old Party resident, Jordan Bardella, is leading polling in both the first and second rounds. The French left, however, remains divided. The relative success of the Nouveau Front Populaire (NFP) — an electoral alliance bringing together much of the Left, in 2024, which emerged as the largest bloc in the National Assembly — has given way to growing tensions between its constituent parties, most notably Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s France Insoumise (LFI) and the Parti Socialiste (PS). In an interview, Thomas Glasman met with Danièle Obono, a France Insoumise parliamentarian for Paris and one of the party’s most prominent anti-racist and internationalist voices, who has served in the National Assembly since 2017. They discussed the fragmentation of the French left, the rise of racialized politics, and how to confront an increasingly powerful far right.
https://jacobin.com/2026/06/interview-france-insoumise-rassemblement-national

The Left Voted Tactically in Makerfield – and the Right Should Take Note
Nobody expected the scale of Andy Burnham’s victory in the Makerfield byelection this morning – including many of those around him. A week ago I was told that canvassing returns were looking strong for Labour in the Greater Manchester seat, giving the party as much as 50% of the vote. While I was certain Burnham could win – particularly after speaking to voters here – I still found that figure hard to believe. In the end Burnham won 55% of the vote, beating Reform UK’s Robert Kenyon by more than 9,000 votes. On the BBC shortly after the result, Mike Tapp, a prominent figure on the Labour right, was trying to play down the result, saying Burnham would have to call a general election in the event of becoming prime minister and deviating frPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2845782
I fear the Bolivian strikers will be massacred. Anyways, thanks news anon.



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