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Why is it that Islam, not Communism, remains the last bastion against imperialism?
And it can also be argued that communism was never anti imperialist to begin with because the Soviet union helped establish Israel, invaded Afghanistan and so on.

Is Islam the only true anti imperial creed?
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> I think I explained myself poorly. Lenin doesn't consider imperialism and capitalism to be the same thing; rather, he sees imperialism as a phase that develops according to the same internal logic of capitalism.
If a stage of capitalism that developed a hundred years ago that means that in effect all capitalism is imperialist now because we are much more advanced than a hundred years ago. So there is no point in a distinction anymore unless you are a historian.

But why do we need to use the word "imperialism" when this word is known to be used to be used already for other purposes? Why can't we use the word capital exportationist? The only reason I can think of is for propaganda purposes.

I'd prefer not to use the word imperialist at all at this point.
>It's true that there have been empires, but we're not using the word "imperialism" when there's an empire. We're using imperialism as a phase of capitalism, not as something else.
But my basic point is that using that word this way is propaganda.
>Tell me if I'm explaining myself badly because maybe the problem is mine xd
Nah your explaining fine. I enjoy the respectful conversation at least you aren't immediately insulting me because I am not the most well read on 100 year old Marxist texts.
>And if China is imperialist, it's not violent now, but neither were the Americans at the beginning.
I thought America was violent at the beginning.

you need to brush up on your history. islamic empires conquered and ruled much of the western world for hundreds of years. in fact one could argue that islam was even more imperialistic than christianity because it started as a political movement with military conquest as the goal from the very beginning, with muhammad raising an army and waging a holy war against the pagan arab feudal kingdoms and taking over the arabian peninsula. jesus and moses and abraham didn't achieve anything like that in their lifetimes, they were just local cult leaders and the movements they started didn't grow into major cultural forces until centuries after their deaths. the islamic empires would be the dominant wealthy high-tech civilization of the western hemisphere up until the renaissance when the european christians finally managed to unite their feudal kingdoms and assimilate the pagans and recover enough of the knowledge they had lost to develop technologies which allowed them to cross oceans and establish colonies and trade networks and global capitalism. the islamic empires waned in power, culminating in the defeat of the ottoman empire in world war 1 but this was not the end for islam as a global cultural force - years later the kingdom of saudi arabia was formed and they discovered the vast oil reserves in their territory and became monstrously rich and used their wealth to fund the most expensive and elaborate propaganda campaign in history to spread their highly authoritarian fundamentalist ideology and radicalize the islamic world into what it is today, similar to what the romans did with christianity. so their empire never really ended, just as the christian roman empire never really ended, just as the empires that preceded it never really ended, because it's all really the same empire; the empire isn't a terrority or a society, it is a pattern of human thought and behavior, it is a way of looking at things, it is a universal and omnipresent psychological phenomenon that exists across the entire human species that compels us to control and manipulate and dominate one another and forget what we are and where we come from and believe that we are gods and that our words dictate reality and that the universe bends to our will.

>>2902279
>For me the biggest problem with the non-Marxist anti-imperialists like Hezbollah and even Assad is that they are incompetent
just like all the leftcoms, Marxist-Leninists, anarchists, and the entire Left in the West and its environs since the middle of the last century. What is your point?

>>2902665
China has proven itself to be competent.

>>2902383
I just think in terms of the town-country contradiction. IMO Lenin's theory of imperialism mostly obfuscates that.



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I hear RCP people say that they are training professional revolutionaires
Wtf is that man I have read a shit ton of theory
They also say the job isn't to just gain membership its to make a harden vanguard




 

Why do ziggers - who are socially rightist (Russian ethno-nationalists + homo/transphobes) and economically rightist (supporting Putin's oligarchy) - constitute a privileged class on LEFTYpol?
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>>2902050
>shitalin image
thanks for letting me know you are anti-communist and you are zionist so I didnt waste time reading your post

>>2902104
>everyone ITT should read "Collapse"
ok, give me a pdf


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>>2902247
me top right

PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TRUTH NUKE >>2902250



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I made this without a hint of irony.

I like natural rights, Leninism, Hoxhaism, and my philosophy is heavily influenced by Mishima.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>2845912
He only loses to you in this category.

>>2845874
>I made this without a hint of irony.
I seriously doubt that

I'm no doctor but, mass shooters and other suicide attackers might have something in common psychologically with Mishima. I just feel like Evola was painting a hierarchy with big joke as it's yolk and that Mishima was completely mad and was masking it. He predicted his own suicide 10 years before in a novel (Kyoko no le, 1959) and then placed his active suicidality in a political spectacle for us to witness.

Extreme aestheticism? Traditionalism? Cosmic absurdity? Dysphoria? idk.

>>2877879
>>2853030
>>2845874
He was a but, but I respect him a hell of a lot more than Nietzsche. Mishima at least understood basic economics, wartime economies, nationalization and some of the problems with capitalism, rather than just saying, “Um, socialism and liberalism are bad because Christianity, the world should be ruled by aristocratic masters like ancient Rome, which I can totally understand" Mishima even had a debate with Marxist university students. During that 2 1/2 debate, he admitted that he admired some Marxists for their passion and drive. A few of those university students would eventually join his cause, including during his failed coup.
He also trained relentlessly to overcome the weaknesses of his body and become physically strong. Unlike Nietzsche, who remained physically weak, Mishima actually pushed himself to become the person he believed he should be.
He wasn’t a good man, he wasn't. but at least he did what he said he believed in.

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>>2845874
>I like Hoxhaism,



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Does anyone remembering all those communist meme pages on Facebook in 2015-2018? I had a philosophy meme page that would just post vaguely leftist content and existentialist memes, until it petered out in 2019. I used to be an admin on this page too and got kicked out by some ecelebs like Pierre Trudanke.
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Real ones remember Red London.

>>2896570

This was like the last Bastion of Facebook being an actual platform before it got algocucked into oblivion.

>>2896570
>>2896574
I remember them both. But I no longer use fascibook. Do they still exist? Any archives?

Leftbook and the surreal memes era were the last time facebook was any fun at all. The only reason I still keep mine around is to keep in contact with people

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>>2896570
Shoutout to Techno-Leninist Machineposting , Fake Baudrillard Post-Post Posting and Dark Margaritaville



 

Does anyone else think the whole "NVE" thing that popped up a year or so ago is a dedicated psyop? It came completely out of nowhere despute the fact that violence with obscure motives has always been a thing yet recently all the news outlets are drumming about it and acting like its an ISIS tier threat. Is someone trying to start a new satanic panic or is this a way to make political attacks look likejust mentally ill people schizoing out?
Plus they dont even know what nihilism even means.
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>>2884896
All of those mass shooters have either a direct and/or indirect (via immediate family) connection to state militaries and security apparatuses.

>>2884896
The US populace is highly medicated. If that were the case the streets would be a warzone. I bet WITHOUT these medications (and other treats and pacificsation tools, screens, entertainment, music, porn, etc.) it would get much worse.

>>2890519
I don't think it's all pacification tbh. After all politics is done, what next? More politics? Happiness?

I'm referring to the arrival fallacy of course. Unless an individual has an idea of their own retirement from politics, they possess Yukio Mishima's bullshido madness >>2885001

Bruce Lee was better anyway.

>>2884449
People don't do "evil" shit for no reason. these organizations are obviously glowie affiliated

>>2884720
>the exact reasons why these right-wing retards from places like 4chan, Xitter, sharty etc. become mass shooters or terrorists in the first place, which are the material conditions and alienation that results from the ruling capitalist system
Exactly, people don't just go around doing shit without something causing them to be like that.



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So, I'm about to become a manager's assistant, and hopefully after some time a manager proper, which is to say – in classical ML lingo, – I'm climbing the ladder from a productive worker's position to that of an overseer, which inevitably means that in terms of objective class positions, I'm moving from the run of the mill prole to one that is in service of capital, namely, my new function will essentially be to ensure an optimal production process, which inevitably involves neat things like "keeping the workplace clean" but more importantly, heightening the rate of exploitation, etc.

Yet, I'm a fucking communist. And I need this new position, I desperately need a better wage, so I took the job without a moment of existential crisis, or whatever.

So I would like to axe you guys if you've faced such a dilemma before, and how you resolved the contradictions between the individual and the social, meaning still being a fucking communist, yet having to order proles to "properly" submit to the rule of capital, WHILE trying to maintain… sanity…

On the one hand I feel that I earned this position through my blood sweat n' tears: I was always among the best workers, no matter the job, and I differentiated myself from the rest by delivering the highest quality product, doing it the fastest, being reliable and punctual, etc. Just so it happens that this particular company noticed it and said, "Hey, we need this guy," or, "Hey, what about this guy for this position?"

On the other, I understand – to a degree – being called a "nerd" or an "asslicker" behind my back by my fellow proles. To their criticism (or parody, morelike) I would say that I'm simply not "built" in a way that I could ever possibly do the absolute minimum at a job, so that I get paid what everyone else AND not get fired. It's just not an option for me, on a subjective level. Even at my most boring conveyor-belt job, while working, I was constantly thinking about the work I was doing and how to improve my speed, agility, whatever, while I saw my fellow conveyor-slaves dreaming about whatever, or talking about how the company provided dinner "better be good this time," or whatever. (And I'm not blaming them, tbh. It's an alienated existence, but I think there are cracks and there's luck and then you can break through.)

I'm an intense person, an intense personality.

I hate nothing more at work when the manager tellPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2901932
Its not like the progress of the worker's movement depends solely on (You). Also there is no free will. You dont get to consciously choose which side you get to ge on. If tomorrow angry proles will assrape you so they will.

>>2901932
>I'm about to become a manager's assistant
assistant to the manager

>immediately the first 2 posts offer the exact opposite advice
>>2901958
>>2901960
I guess this is one of the few reasons I still visit this place!

>>2901958
Thanks. This' pretty much me, and how I behave (regardless of position) in the workplace.

Believe it or not, this is my first job where I have a boss who fits this description
>my best boss was somebody who clearly explained what has to be done, when and why. he knew that people work better when they're treated kindly and not being barked at. high morale
while my previous bosses were all
>my worst boss was an idiot who couldn't do the work himself and didn't know the specifics of the job. always yelling how things should be but never talked about how things are. low morale

>>2901987
>there is no free will
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2901932
Given how you speak here you're going to be an insufferable asshole. Seriously, why can't you speak normally ? Why do you have to speak in such a debilitating manner ? It makes you sound like a retard

>meaning still being a fucking communist, yet having to order proles to "properly" submit to the rule of capital, WHILE trying to maintain… sanity…

Just do your job. Communism isn't a moral stance that you have to take, it's simply about recognizing your material self-interest derived from your economic position.

<hOw?

Every task has one particular way of ensuring the realization of the desired thing whilst simultaneously minimizing the energy spent. Just apply this whenever you boss your coworkers around

>>2901932
Managers are proles too.



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"Jason Arday, ex-Cambridge professor at centre of plagiarism row, found dead."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j1ye6n30no

First major victim of radical liberalism?
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>>2899435
It’s just drawings though.

>>2899314
> just because a racist
>just
It's the main problem here, i don't mind Arday getting sacked for plagiarization or other offenses if he's guilty. That's a normal thing over here and usually leads to a loss of the PhD title as well. Such a process basically ended the political career of a rightoid baron, who had the entire bourgeois MSM media circus behind him in his bid to become the next chancellor and dethrone Merkel.

Anyway, you can bet this inbred looking pol/tard doesn't really care about errors or misconduct with Arday's actual scientific work. He picked Arday because he got a chance to bully a black guy out of a position he doesn't want black people to occupy. If he was really into going against scientific misconduct chances are he would find a lot of steaming shit within his own circle of "race realists" around R. Lynn et al. which isn't very far from Nazi eugenics "research" btw.

Turns out that Cofnas is a hypocrite: https://twitterwebviewer.com/?tweet=2093137641189388497

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>>2896748
Trans BVLLS win again

>>2896748
>transgender gynecologist
*distant sound of JK Rowling screaming*



 

I've personally approached marx from a more economic perspective and I was surprised to see that some authors treat Marx as primarily a philosopher rather than a social critique.

From the few bits and pieces I've read on it, their work seems completely irrelevant and stuck in philosophical qualms with no relation to the real world. The hegelian interpretation of Marx reads as a bunch of messianic and idealist garbage that Marx would've condemned.
But what's /leftypol/'s opinion on the matter ?
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>>2899914
Althusserians and Analytic Marxists like Gerald Cohen

it should tell you something that the eurocentric white supremacist views of hegel are so compatible with marx

>>2899834
I just said there are better translations and you don't have to ride horse and buggy to a library or smuggle illegal books into the country like Lenin did. I said nothing about memes. God damn you anons are frustrating sometimes.

>>2901887
>you know who also thought 2+2=4…? that's right. adolf hitler. not a big fan of addition now, are you?



 

I hope these guys win the coming elections in Israel.
Because no matter who wins the elections, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians will continue. If one of the liberal Zionists wins they will spin somehow to make it seem less evil. With these two they won't be able to pretend that they're not genocidal freaks. Thus hastening international intervention.
I'm totally accelerationist in this regard.

What do you think of this?
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>>2901858
netanyahu has pivoted to full throated support of the settler movement. the differences are academic.

a more liberal knesset gives the west and the media an offramp to pretend the show is over. a hard right swing would be much more difficult to spin and would galvanise the anti israel movement.

in both scenarios the price would be paid in palestinian blood and the limbs of children so it's in very poor taste to advocate either side and you should be centering the victims of this genocide and all the aid workers and journalists the fascists have been murdered.

your hoping is totally immaterial. you are not an accelerationist. shut the fuck up. don't ever post here again. kill yourself

>>2901914
>heredi leaders are saying they'd rather leave israel than compromise on their torah values (be in the presence of women)

Sounds pretty gay

>>2901915
wrong. israels reputation will continue to plummet no matters whos in charge. the genocide is endorsed by pretty much every facet of israeli society. gaze upon history and you'll realize there's nothing a Liberal hates more than a badly run war

>>2901926
israel's herrenvolk democracy doesn't even figure: they can't exist without western patronage and they know it. a liberal turn wouldn't help the palestinians but it would be a boon to their propagandists in the west. their plan all along has been attrition against the attention span of the general public and nearly any new prime minister will be presented as a moderate by the media as a way of cracking consensus by giving a fatigued public permission to look away.

it happened in hungary: the new president was presented as a clean break from orban even when he's basically identical but with no international profile.



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