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Why was judeochristian imperialism and divide et impera particularly successful in MENA?

I find it particularly amusing because here in Pakistan we have fsr more legitimate and organic ethnicities than whatever these Arab Christians claim to be (the Phoenician larp some Lebanese do is particularly hilarious)

For example I'm Punjabi and we could totally demand our little Ethnostate in central Pakistan but no Pakistani ethnicity does that because we see ourselves as Pakistani first and Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluch, Pashtun or any other ethnicity second
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>>2820317
You are mentally deficient and I will not engage with you any further
>>2820319
Judeochristians name their children in hebrew names and pray to a zionist rabbi who called them pigs and dogs and qhose only purpose was to serve and pray for the jewish master race. Islam is race blind and the most egalitarian faith of the world

>>2820321
Stalin smuggled top tier weaponry to zionist terrorists through chzechoslovakia as well as being the first nation on earth to recognize ""israel"" you're not only denying you inverting the reality

Republican CHINA were allies of the US during WW2, the CCP definitely not

>>2820321
>Even worse, you just invented an entirely new nationality less than 100 years ago and divided the subcontinent over it.
Our identity came as material circumstances under hinduvta oppression
It came naturally and wasn't artificially created by the british

>>2820327
>Islam is race blind and the most egalitarian faith of the world
If it's so egalitarian and race blind then why are there constant struggle sessions over translating the Quran to non-Arabic languages?

>>2820380
Arabic is a very complex language and the semitic lexicon makes it hard to translate to indoeuropean languages

But judeochristianity for example is a jewish supremacist faith they interpret Isa (PBUH) as a zionist who called gentiles pigs and dogs

OP is a Brazillian 30 y.o. shitposter called Vinicius Soares Yugulis (pic related), he is not arab, muslim or whatever. He's here just to ragebait, do not engage with his posts.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2817210
>Do you buy nuclear waste at the store.
I can buy smoke detectors which contain a form of nuclear waste

Vivek Chibber is one of the most influential nominally socialist writers in the US. He is one of the founders of Catalyst, a theory journal of Jacobin. Here is an interview (or "interview", as the other person sounds more sycophantic than ChatGPT and just agrees with everything) where Chibber argues against central planning, doing the usual sleight of hand of equating decentralized with market mechanisms:
https://jacobin.com/2026/05/central-planning-soviet-union-socialism
Actual quote by him from that:
<Normally in capitalism, what do managers do? They want to make profits. The way to make a profit is by trying to sell, at the lowest price possible, the best-quality good that you can.
This is false. The goal in capitalism is to maximize profits, which is very different from trying to maximize output while breaking even.

<That planner has to get everybody else to follow his directions because it only works if they listen to what he is saying.

He talks of "the central planner" as if that were a single person.

<When you start with saying, “We need so much steel,” in order to make that steel, you have to know everything that goes into making steel. And it’s all integrated. In order to have all those things go into the steel, you have to ask, “Well, how many blast furnaces do we need?” For the blast furnaces, you have to ask, “How much coal do we need?” For the steel to be made, you have to ask, “Okay, once all that steel is made, where’s it going to go? Who’s going to use it?” Trains, automobiles, and so on.


<In economics, these are called complementarities or linkages. Everything is linked. If you screw up one of those links, it radiates all across the economy. So you have to be able to handle complexity at a level that just boggles the mind.

In economics, complementary goods are goods that go well together with other goods, the opposite case of competition. E. g. If you are got a stand selling pretzels and Coke and you make the pretzel cheaper, demand for your Coke goes up. Anyway, the connections that Chibber speaks of are very much visible in the input-output tables of a planned economy. This is a Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Reply to Chibber
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>>2819557
>09:44 If the market system was more rational in its use of resources, if its information transmission was more effective as the Austrian school - Hayek, Mises and now Chibber - claim, then the market economies would have raced ahead of the USSR. But actually the opposite is the case!
oh snap




 

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>>2820196
Yet no one seems to have written a real history of the book's distribution without lunatic "Fed" narratives attached.
As one of the worst examples of 'book worship' in the bourgeois left it is key to understand why this "grotesque mediocrity" of a book in particular is held up to be important above other more accurately communist treatments of the same problem.

>>2820202
It's very useful for black ethno-nationalist (a tragedy but those are in fact, on the "left" simply because it's the only side willing to entertain their delusions) to justify doing nothing, which are a very vocal minority.

>>2820232

As far as an authentically Marxist critique of the material this group distributed would go: focusing on the material's treatment of the ethno-nationalism within one particular group is a mistake.
Particularly because no one involved in it was a "black ethno-nationalist" and the authors tellingly have a very infantalizing (perhaps typically racist, for wealthy and anarchist asian-american students) view of black americans at a level of political and economy agency. Reading MIM and Sakai gives an impression that they think black people are dolls or dummies animated only by identity, fear and violence. Whereas they treat asians as inherently freer and wiser. This is explicit in Park's later writing where his explicitly incel screeds are targeted at 'strong asian males' being cucked by the 'amerikkkan' feminists.
Instead of being lost in the internet reception of Settlers it is it better to look at how it uses the vocabulary of its time to make it seem like Maoist "national struggle" rhetoric means something that it never meant until after Mao's death and its aestheticization into campus politics and games for intellectuals. I agree with you broadly but the problem is the "nationalism" not "ethno" since the "ethno-nationalism" encouraged by the that part of the New Communist Movement was a kind of revisionism that wanted to make other forms of Marxism seem revisionism by playing word games with the idea of a "national" struggle so that it applied all kinds of spurious things. It is no surprise to me at all that at least one of the authors of Settlers is a sincere admirer of both Mein Kampf and the John Birch Society.
All this goes to show why you cannot understand Settlers unless you know the works that it was rewritten from. Because only then can you see how the authors were being highly selective around the issues of colonialism and imperialism as stages of historical development.
Settlers is not one book and never really was. Isolating it as a single scholarly text is part of a hoodwink - rendering it ahistorical and anachronistic. Instead understand that the "labor aristocracy" writing that it was edited from was one continuous stream. And if you understand that by actually tracing the books origins and the origins of its claims you will see exactly how radically the MIM and Sakai version of 'Labor Aristocracy' departed Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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As someone from the third world, I’ve always been fascinated by American Boomer/Gen-X ‘COMMIE’ hysteria. I get that it’s the product of 50+ years of Cold War propaganda, but it’s still hilarious watching people treat milquetoast demsocs like Zohran or Bernie as if they’re hardened Eastern Bloc revolutionaries. At this point even the half illiterate Islamist in my country probably has a more coherent understanding of Communism than large parts of either the Western right or left

>>2821444
To the vast majority of Americans - including those label themselves as "communists" - communism is a cultural issue about individuality.



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Why during the campaign was Trump so focused on aura farming and now after being president and epstein files he just says retarded shit and posts ai slop
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>>2819925
i relate a lot to biden bc i stutter a lot and i have a horrible memory. people need to leave him alone hes trying his hardest

>>2819926
Actually though

Biden had more aura
I would vote for hunter biden in 2028

>>2819920
>Why during the campaign was Trump so focused on aura farming
because campaigns are about aura farming
> now after being president and epstein files he just says retarded shit and posts ai slop
because when you're in power you no longer have to focus on aura farming. especially in your 2nd term where you are free to betray your voters and do everything your "bene"factors blackmailed and bribed you into doing

>>2819926
you want hitler?



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2819997
astounding, beautiful, inspiring….

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>>2820018
the key insight here was that he was replaced with someone even worse

>>2819968
which son was it lol

>>2820007
uygha please touch grass. I can literally identify you as you're the only one on this entire god damn board this obsessed with Gen z and asmongold.

>>2820007
big if true!



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The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.

There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.

Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!

Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
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>>2810542
By metaphysics I do not mean ontology, but the type of (obsolete) thinking that mind has intuitive access to intelligible realities that exist in themselves, and which has the pretension of extracting predicates of necessity from such abstract realities that apply to particular entities. For example, since intelligibly the relation of cause-effect require a primal substance in order to make sense of further things, as everything is always the consequence of something that happened before it, then one may conclude that there must be necessarily be a primal uncaused cause in order for the world to make sanse and have integrity. It is in this sense that buddhist thought is metaphysical, since it claims to know realities such as previous lives, metempsychosis, spiritual worlds such as pure lands and etc.

And when I said that the sutra/tantra and layers of commentaries format is troublesome, I didn't say so because of some notion of authorial legimitimacy. This is, in fact, only a Buddhist concern and legitimization strategy, that western-style thinking since Socrates has completely rejected, establishing the sole legitimacy of the concepts' immanent content, systematicity, coherence… Of course, this principle didnt always function in full force in all western history, but it was always available and consistently effective, until it gained full recognition after the advent of modernity, at least virtually so. If buddhist philosophy had achieved this, what we can call "the absolute sovereignty of the concept (in spite of great religious-style figures)" it would be a philosophy on the same footing as western style thinking, but befause of its monastic, religious, doctrinal character, it remains powerless and will be always deconstructed and anylized and integrated by philosophy, not viceversa. This is why I recommend anons to stick to Buddhist meditational practice, over which it still has a monopoly so to say, and leave as secondary it's philosophy.

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>noooo! everyone has to eat acorns naked in the forest
Wtf was his problem?

Content free bump. Too busy setting up my new Vanguard Party to care.

>>2810984
Anatta, that the self does not exist, except through dependent origination.

Buddhism has been strip-mined by Neo-Confucianism and Daoism, and in fact given Theravada and Mindfulness Buddhism it already exists as a Trojan horse within the capitalist system because its ontological priors are in fact hostile to capitalist function.

The idea that the self is not an actual basic reality provides a powerful battering ram against capitalist atomization, and can be used as a basis for solidarity.

Moreover, if we go to cause and effect, Yogacara already has a potent weapon to alienate that, wherein each moment of time is actually fully independent; every frame of reality self-immanentizing.

>>2792434
I hate landlords. The clergy are as useless as the nobility.



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>Bolsheviks: "Hey Kerensky we're going to rape you if you don't end the war"
>Left SRs: "Hey Kerensky we're going to rape you if you don't end the war"
>Proletarians: "Hey Kerensky we're going to rape you if you don't end the war"
>Peasantry: "Hey Kerensky we're going to rape you if you don't end the war"
>Soldiers: "Hey Kerensky we're going to rape you if you don't end the war"
<Kerensky: "I'm going to continue the war"
<Gets raped
Was he retarded?
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>>2819726
>funny way of saying most Tsarist industry and resources were not actually in Russia, but instead in occupied poland baltics and ukraine
Yeah, that was western Russia at the time. Do you genuinely think I'm not aware of how Russia's territory at the time (And now, to some extent) was largely non-Russian land taken in imperial conquests?
>The whole calculus for germany changes when their forces cross into russia proper where the local residents are much more enthusiastic about war now that its about defending their tiny little russian peasant village and not about pointlessly invading austria
Yeah okay, once the German Empire gets past all of the areas of the Russian Empire that want independence THEN the situation becomes real. AFTER half of Russia's industrial capacity is gone and millions are dead, THAT'S when shit gets REAL. Russia kicks into overdrive and everybody suddenly decides that the war isn't fucking retarded.

>>2819837
the soviets survived just fine after brest litovsk. no need to freak out over the assumption that a bourgeois russian government would've also been fine. germany would've lost it all in any case after their inevitable defeat to america

>>2819845
>the soviets survived just fine after brest litovsk
Because they signed a peace deal with Germany and then fought a Civil War against an extremely unpopular enemy that recieved limited foreign support from an entente that was completely and totally exhausted by WWI. This is completely different from fighting against a fully dedicated coalition of Great Powers without popular support.

>>2819858
since when was waging defensive, existential wars ever at the whims of 'popular support'? you are a liberal

>>2819908
When popular support is dependent on the war effort. Without it, you get strikes, desertion, fragging, sabotage, civil unrest and finally, revolution. Exactly what happened to the Russian Empire and later, the Republic. This isn't Liberalism. It is, by your own admission, the truth. This is why you said
>The whole calculus for germany changes when their forces cross into russia proper where the local residents are much more enthusiastic about war



 

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>>2820566
>I have to say that a lot these days, huh?
no, you don't. just ignore them. You're too easy to bait and you're allowing them to slide the thread. they'll get you into a back and forth about you as a person (and you'll fall for it because you have an ego like everyone else) and the thread will go off-topic.

Don't be so predictable and easy to manipulate. Tell your friends about the Starobilsk strike.

>>2820654
>bait
Oh they wish they were trolling lmao

>>2820678
I wish I was trolling too but the real troll in all of this is Cucktin who will allow hundreds of thousands of Russians to die needlessly thanks to his lack of escalation, all because he wants good relations with the West.

>>2820696
And it's not like he wasn't schooled by Iran. ..




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On the occasion of the release of its convicted leader after 25 years of captivity, what is your opinion on the Revolutionary Organization 17 November?

Greece is still in NATO so they failed but they’re braver than I am

based



 

Fuck this guy. I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag prop him up as the greatest thing to happen to American leftism, like he’s sone kind of modern-Day William Z Foster.

In reality, Mamdani is a total fraud. He’s pandered to Zionists even before taking office. Then after taking office he’s sucked up to Chabad-Lubavitcher which is a satanic racist Jewish supremacist org with ties to the Russian mafia and Zionist entity. Why? He’s even thrown his own wife under the bus for working with Palestinian liberation activist Susan Abdulhawa. I guess he thinks kosher feelings outweigh Palestinian lives. He hasn’t done anything he’s promised in making NYC a cheaper and easier place to live. And yet delusional leftists still love and support him.

If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC. Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.

Mamdani ran on the basis of defying the Zionist Lobby so he needs to keep his promises.
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Why won’t Ziohran take down the Kars4Kars zio scam?

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>>2746538
>I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag
lol


>>2801728
not enough motion to challenge the police union.

>>2819426
Because he's not a dictator and has no ability to do that.



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