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As the post said, cant think of anything theyve done for the proletarian cause except use all their power to take it down. They want to preserve commodity production and wage labour for the sake of stability. Unlike marxist leninists who actually take efforts to communism.
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>>2811975
>what Bordigists actually do
…post on reddit?

I cant speak Italian so I read only translations of his work, but I would consider his prose the best of all big marxist writers.

>>2811975
Can someone explain to me this fetish many communist splinter groups have with 100 year old technology of propaganda, like leaflets and newspapers?

>>2812021
Having presence in actually physical space is extremely important for socialist orgs. Couple dozens members concentrated in your local area gives organisation far more political push than thousands scattered across entire coutry. Also you shouldnt rely on social media presence too much, as it can be taken from you on a whim.

>>2812005
No they split over the working with a union that one group within the party didn't like



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We know workers dislike domination. And contra Lyotard, they also dislike exploitation. But might a significant number of workers actually enjoy being estranged from the objects of their labor? Or at least, might they be indifferent enough to not see alienation as a problem?

Consider that as an alienated worker, I am encouraged to be utterly unconcerned with labor conditions outside of my own workplace. Or the quantity and quality of production of commodities that I do not consume. Those are the concerns of management and the bourgeoisie. My alienation provides a perverse degree of "freedom" from society, to focus only on my individual consumption and not the conditions of my fellow workers.

Whereas in a communist society of free and equal producers, I am supposed to have an interest the labor conditions in all workplaces in a society, as each directly affects the amount of social product available for consumption. The degree of political control needed to make that happen equitably seems extremely time-consuming and limiting, and I imagine a lot of workers would be turned off by it.

Perhaps that is why most 'socialist' experiments have never really addressed alienation, and why most workers seem completely resigned to the hyper-alienated existence mediated by apps and nation-states despite everyone allegedly agreeing on how horrible it is.
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>>2811416
None of this contradicts what was written earlier.
>The life-process of society, which is based on the process of material production, does not strip off its mystical veil until it is treated as production by freely associated men, and is consciously regulated by them in accordance with a settled plan.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm

>>2811421
Deductions have to be made from everyone's comsumption credit to fund expansion of the MoP, plus public services. The size of that deduction needs to be determined politically by the working class.

>>2811519
So I’m gonna have to be on a zoom meeting with every other survivor of the civil war and we decide which sectors of workers get to bear the most tax burden to fund our public services.

>>2811613
That's how Parecon would probably do it. Presumably it could be organized better.
But would workers desire that kind of participation instead of their current alienated existence?

>>2810889
Aren't there like several type of alienations? Surely not all of them could have the same impact on everyone?



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>>2535127

So give the fact US invasion of Greenland went from provocative joke to a realistic possibility, what are the chances of European governments getting their shit together?
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>>2811135
Everybody can speak english though.

>>2811135
>Europe has two fundamental problems for that: languages and politics fragmented along national lines
See this section from >>2811069
>a socialgeographical situation (language barriers) making social media perfect to bridge silos
The internet, especially post smartphones, completely nullifies this as a hindrance.
>>2811141
Not only can a significant part of Europe speak english, but most phones can auto-translate page from let's say italian to french in ~3 seconds (even with 100% free software) today.

>>2811193
Well then surely with all this language support there must be a pan european specific social media platform out there comparable in size and development to what america has!

>>2804936
who cares about racist jews? even if they hate your bake sale it's not like they can do anything about it.

>>2811602
Which are the US specific social media networks?
There used to be national social media sites, but these days everybody moved to facebook, instagram, twitter, etc.



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If Bolsheviks own me how come Stalin kill em all?

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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2792439
Wagner are extremly incompetent and failing to beat the Jihadis, the Jihadis were helped by Ukraine for a bit, but most of their support is local, they're winning because Mali and Wagner is corrupt.
>>2793010
https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20260426-new-fighting-erupts-in-north-mali-s-kidal-as-army-clashes-with-rebels
Mali is withdrawing from some key cities, the end of this war is probably a de facto independant islamic state in Northern Mali, don't think they'll be able to take the rest of the country.

>>2793448
>Wagner are extremly incompetent and failing to beat the Jihadis, the Jihadis were helped by Ukraine for a bit, but most of their support is local, they're winning because Mali and Wagner is corrupt.
wagner (actually its called africa corps now) is mostly light infantry, the problem isnt that they're incompetent or corrupt (although they likely are, given they're mercenaries fucks), the problem is they dont have much heavy equipment or air support and arent many (and the most skilled guys prolly were kept in russia for the war). They're a small support force mostly there to help with shit like training or radio jamming
And I suspect france is helping the jihadist too. Just after france was kicked out mali had managed to retake kidal, a feat french military never helped with, and now they're becoming stronger and striking back and there were report of ukrainians helping them out, so its safe to assume the west empire is backing them as retaliation for the sahel states giving them the boot and nationalizing shit.

>the end of this war is probably a de facto independant islamic state in Northern Mali

thats the situation since more than a decade at this point

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Suriyak got some intel from Wagner: sadly the Malian gouv strategy seems to be like Assadist Syria, with "repositioning and defense" to protect the main centers of power and leaving the rest of the country to rebels

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>>2796697
This really has the potential to snowball into something much larger, there are already insurrections in other Sahel countries, no one is going to do anything to save them is Russia can't. Libya, next door, is still divided, and there is a large muslim population across the Sahel that are disfavored and discriminated against and that might be convinced to join Al Qaeda/Isis, there is also no international appetite to do anything about it.



 

ITALIANS DO IT BETTER

Manica di degenerati. Non mi aspettavo proprio che dopo un mese d'assenza, il filo cadesse dalla tavola. Vabè, leftypol ormai è l'ombra di quello che era soltanto qualche anno fa, ma c'è un limite a tutto.
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>>2787000
USB o qualche altra organizzazione locale, per i partiti è difficile.
>>2792367
Anche a te!

>>2720262
>nationalism… le bad
t. Marx

Italianos, answer: >>2811046

Is true that Italian boys want to fuck their moms? That's kinda weird bros

>>2793017
Like he said, working man has […] country



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the funniest thing about "anti-revisionism" vs "revisionism" is that it is not something Marx ever mentioned, because he would never imagine himself as the static, unchanging root of a globe-spanning political project called "Marxism" with various branches like "Marxism-Leninism", "Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Zedong-Thought", "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism", "Stalinism, "Hoxhaism" and so on . Instead, Marx revised himself several times during his own life, moving from a framework rooted in alienation and species-being, to a framework rooted in (what would later be called) historical and dialectical materialism. Engels famously said that he and Marx's system was a method, not a dogma, and Kim-Il-Sung repeated this when innovating Juche, as did Deng Xiaoping when innovating "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", make of that what you will. So if innovation is allowed and Marxism is a method, and not a dogma, why all the controversy about "revisionism?" If Marxism is meant to be applied to unique spatio-temporal conditions which outsiders, even sympathetic outsiders, usually fail to understand, why do outsiders always look for "revisionism" to condemn? Why not just accept that we are all striving not for "[insert the name of Great Men]" -ism but Communism and that our paths towards Communism are evolutionarily convergent from our different spatiotemporal standpoints rather than divergent from some imagined "anti-revisionist" standpoint? Am I being revisionist right now?

Let's look at how Marxists.org defines revisionism (you may disagree with each other on this very point):

> Revisionism


>A fundamental alteration of a theory, essentially usurping (though taking elements of) the former theory and replacing it with a new one. While the attributes of a theory are subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances, changing the fundamental basis of that theory is to nullify it in place of a new one.


Was Marx "Revisionist" when he revised himself? Who has the authority to decide the criteria for what is "subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances" and what is not?

I think the encouraging results of an even half-successful practice matter more than the purity of theory, personally.
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>>2807125
>This place has deteriorated
people are just tired of correcting the same repeat misconception hundreds of times from the same few trolls

>>2807870
the trolls outnumber the sincere anons and you know it. and being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level.

>>2808020
>being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level
thats why people just stop posting and leave

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The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.

There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.

Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!

Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
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>>2809916 (me)

I not only recommend the PRACTICE, but I truly think it is an OPTIMAL way of going about. Buddhism just has the most developed system of meditation in the world. There is no secular system that surpasses it, or if there is, it is a small project of some dedicated individuals and much harder to find than any mahayana sangha.

Meditation will greatly increase cognitive, conceptual, sentimental/emotional and alignment capacities/functions. By alignment I mean, truly being on the side of the suffering beings, not going astray being egoistic, really devoting your life to the cause. Some say that emotions, feelings, etc cannot be changed, but that's bullshit, meditation radically changes the way you feel, who you stand with, etc but this emotional side is only one part. It greatly increases pragmatic capacity, you become a much more functional person when you can control your discursive thinking, your imagination, your own personality, at will and it's not in automatic mode running endlessly and haphazardly all day long.

I've always thought that Buddhist philosophy fits with dialectics because everything is impermanent and interdependant

>>2809916
Metaphysics is mineable, tbh.

That's the particular point of Mahayana; the core documents are revealed forgeries, inconsistent, and no one cares that much that they're fake.

The important point is that despite all claims to materialism, Marxism ALSO has a metaphysics, epistemology, and ontology, and for some people this is a huge amount of its appeal, by offering an alternative to both vulgar and liberal epistemologies and ontologies.

>>2810542
By metaphysics I do not mean ontology, but the type of (obsolete) thinking that mind has intuitive access to intelligible realities that exist in themselves, and which has the pretension of extracting predicates of necessity from such abstract realities that apply to particular entities. For example, since intelligibly the relation of cause-effect require a primal substance in order to make sense of further things, as everything is always the consequence of something that happened before it, then one may conclude that there must be necessarily be a primal uncaused cause in order for the world to make sanse and have integrity. It is in this sense that buddhist thought is metaphysical, since it claims to know realities such as previous lives, metempsychosis, spiritual worlds such as pure lands and etc.

And when I said that the sutra/tantra and layers of commentaries format is troublesome, I didn't say so because of some notion of authorial legimitimacy. This is, in fact, only a Buddhist concern and legitimization strategy, that western-style thinking since Socrates has completely rejected, establishing the sole legitimacy of the concepts' immanent content, systematicity, coherence… Of course, this principle didnt always function in full force in all western history, but it was always available and consistently effective, until it gained full recognition after the advent of modernity, at least virtually so. If buddhist philosophy had achieved this, what we can call "the absolute sovereignty of the concept (in spite of great religious-style figures)" it would be a philosophy on the same footing as western style thinking, but befause of its monastic, religious, doctrinal character, it remains powerless and will be always deconstructed and anylized and integrated by philosophy, not viceversa. This is why I recommend anons to stick to Buddhist meditational practice, over which it still has a monopoly so to say, and leave as secondary it's philosophy.

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>noooo! everyone has to eat acorns naked in the forest
Wtf was his problem?



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<ITT: discuss various forms of localist politics, e.g. communalism, municipalism, other forms of localist socialist governance, distributism, etc

there are some who still complain that russia was "socialism in one country". i contend that they are right, not because the concept is absurd, but because they do not go far enough. we have not yet taken stalin's gnosis to its logical conclusion and brought it to the hyper-financialized modern era

the current dichotomy in modern discourse has largely been between reformism and revolutionism. ultimately both forms make the mistake of operating as though contradictions are uniformly distributed. it is either you immediately go against the whole system in order to take it down, or you work with the whole system in order gradually reform it into socialism. why are these ultimately the only two notions entertained? the first approach underestimates the adaptability of monopoly capital or they fail to see the difficulty in coordinating an immediate revolution across large spans of the country. i think we all can see the failure of the second approach with its disregard for the blatant capture of bourgeois institutions by capital. maybe instead of still operating at such a high level of social change, we should focus more on what we can achieve on lower levels

this was part of the wisdom in "socialism in one country", it was the recognition that the contradictions were ripe in certain regions over others thanks to imperialism, and the specificity of these contradictions to particular regions only supports rather than detracts from the cultivation of determinate national character (contrary to industrial capital, which constantly strives towards maximal hyperconnectivity and the erosion of all national determinateness). ultimately, if you can not even achieve socialism in one country, there is much less hope in achieving socialism globally. now, we must of course acknowledge that "socialism in one country" was a logical response to imperialism, with the latter's tendency to unite the various classes within a society against a common imperialist bourgeois enemy. it is easy to see this and conclude that various forms of third-worldism are the answer. my issue with such a position is that it simply gives us an excuse to sit on our asses all day. if we actually carefully analyze things, we would notice that developed western nations have a tendency to, after thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>i see a decent amount of potential in bookchin's municipalism as a strategy.
What happened to Rojava? It got crushed.

What happened to EZ(LN) Natlibs? Dissolved unable to fight against cartels.

>>2811791
first of all, i am not an autonomist/communizer and i have already critiqued immediate revolutionism

second of all, "global capital" is really imperialist capital. dismantling capitalism in the imperial core does not have the same significance as doing it in some peripheral nation.

actually, there is an extent to which finance capital has attempted to, at some level, dismantle globalization itself. we have seen this with the dismantling of programs that projected american soft power and the erection of various forms of nationalism. deindustrialization has also made the us increasingly incompetent at projecting hard power as well, as can be seen with the iran war. domestically, again various federal institutions have experienced mass layoffs as well

this is not to mention the fact that international struggle was most effective when there were determinate socialist states that were "socialism in one country"

>>2811794
zapatistas are still here. note that i am not suggesting to engage in either of their strategies as for them to gain steam already presupposes some sort of major crisis that weakens the sphere of control of a bourgeois government. at the same though, i do think that the us could possibly enter into a crises in the future if it continues to fail at upholding its imperialism starting with iran. if this happens, the dynamics of the situation would be different from that of rojava as it would entail the destabilization of the very imperial core that would sabotage socialist projects worldwide

>>2811751
Socialism in one compound

>>2811834
Critical support to the cartels fighting against the Zapatista National Liberation libtards

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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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>>2808264
Ayo hol up, why are petty bourgs allowed to have restaurant business in Cuba, ML sisters??!

>>2808277
everyone knows Cuba is socdem, you need to manufacture more advanced bait on this issue

>>2808277
why do you shit up every thread?


>>2698776
I'm donating my copy of Dialogue with Stalin to Cuba, hope it helps



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