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Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine, Ukraine has good reason to resist Russian occupation but should be open to ceding territory in return for peace if possible. I do not buy that the Far-Right parties around the world that defend this invasion were actually le based prole-pilled geniuses the entire time. Prove me wrong.
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>>2805001
So you admit Russia invaded Ukraine to steal it's trillion dollar minerals? and that's different from NATO how exactly? ziggers too dumb to realize their own arguments work against them
>>2807829
>Dumb zigger cries about NATO expansion and imperalism while simultaneously promotes Russian expansion and imperalism
fuck off zigger nazi, ruskyi mir is Russias Lebensraum

>>2805008
>this isn't Russia invading Ukraine
Putin was literally on live TV announcing the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Braindead zigger bots still trying to gaslight people with Kremlin talking points

saw someone say "zigger" in the wild

crazy shit out there

>>2816392
What, like IRL or on another website?

>>2815723
>>2815724
>>2815788
>You don't understand what state capitalism is. State capitalism means controlling the market with public companies so that capitalism within a country goes in a certain direction.
I know what state capitalism is, as I communist I oppose it.
>This facilitates public policies where eventually a national bourgeoisie develops and foreign capital remains under control.
Proof?
>In Brazil, unlike the state capitalism of the Vargas period, the Second Republic, the military business junta, and the New Republic, there was a dependent industrialization with a more limited state capitalism to support the interests of capitalists, which eventually led to problems that Brazilian left-wing developmentalists failed to understand.
So the state-caputalist period of Vargas lead to privatization and neoliberalism, this proves my point right, the establishment of state capitalism, if it empowers the national bourg, results in privatization policies and deindustrialization under the direction of the national bourg. Again, this is evidence that YOUR position is wrong, not mine, I DO NOT wish to empower nat bourgs, you do.
>here is no possible agreement between the national bourgeoisie and labor to reindustrialize the country when everything has already been financialized.
Again, this argument is AGAINST YOUR IDEOLOGY, when you empower the national bourg, the end up gaining power and influencez and instead of engaging in socialism they privatize state enterprises and deindustrialize.
>This means that to reindustrialize a country there must at least be the use of state capitalism and state-owned enterprises to force reindustrialization, using these enterprises to compete against private companies, no matter how many go bankrupt, to facilitate occupations, nationalizations, collectivizations, and socializations because capitalists will only speculate in the financial market anyway, and therefore only communists have solutions.
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Can we get a thread going for Pridnestrovie? Last I heard, Moldova was trying to get the land back. So long as Russia's backing them, Moldova can't do anything.
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>>2816737
everyone in the country either works abroad or is supplemented by someone who does
you're better off in romania

>>2816755
I live neither on Romania nor Moldovan, I live in Southern Europe
>>2816752
Mm thanks, I wanted to Russian anyways, maybe a basic Ukranian would help

>>2816715
Housing is a right there. So you'll likely be living in some ghetto Soviet-style apartment.

>>2816866
The pseudo-country is about 100% Eastern Orthodox.

>>2816866
You never been to eastern europe? It's all ghetto soviet style apartments all the way down. Unless you're in a city center, then it's glass buildings and lidls as far as the eye can see



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What would you do if you were put into gorbachev's shoes?
What could you do?
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>>2812019

I think he was talking as an individual in Gorby's position in terms of immediate actions to take.

>>2811998

Ironically, I would promote Gromyko to the politburo in exchange for overall loyalty of old guard elements. The marked one historically betrayed him and it actually was one of the reasons he couldn't act that quickly & instead went for acceleration before perestroika.

Otherwise, since the goal is to "restalinize" the economic structure (read: Empower Gosplan to have for e of law directives over all other ministries, reduce/restrict/remove enterprise level investment decisions & supply chain decisions, sharply reduce enterprise profit retention, have all investment be done via loans from the state bank, move towards piece rate wages, start the process of having an independent quality control office, etc, etc.) the personnel changes would have be carefully considered:

O think you could lean on empowering Grigory Romanov to assure a base level of competence & limits to corruption. People like Kosolapov could be invited to the ideological department. My own favorite for high ranking military positions would be Akhromeyev.

One big challenge would be in how to reduce military related spending & especially reallocate some of the specialists into civil industrial innovation. Just flat austerity wouldn't do, you have to make strategic cuts. I think the is probably dome decent room to reduce ground forces. On the flipside, basically everything ballistics related has to continue to grow & expand because its hhe backbone of detterence.

>>2811623
fpbp
/thread
OP BTFO

Uhhhh pull out of afganistan earlier and launch revitialization campaigns. Oh and expand computing for cybernic planning

At that point the USSR was probably doomed (arguably it was doomed after 1921/1924). At best you can attempt much more gradual liberalization and delegation to more regional autonomy while eventually re-empowering the workers councils and hope to stabilize the USSR even if some of the states still leave.

>>2816462
>I think he was talking as an individual in Gorby's position in terms of immediate actions to take.
I was. Things like developing economic plans needs to be done very carefully. And what I said was in the context of the state of the USSR. Beyond Gorbachev and Yakovlev's crimes, and destructive [wrecking] behavior, there was still problems borne from pro market-nationalist tendencies, that have captured key institutions, and are a product systematic ossification. Without Gorby, the USSR was still at risk of full capitalist restoration.


>Ironically, I would promote Gromyko

Gromyko was senile. And he was the main reason Gorbachev came to power. He did so because of a deal, that he had with the Gorbachev camp, to gain the position of chairman of the presidium of the supreme soviet. Gorby sidelined him in the end though. Apparently, Gromyko actually hated Gorbachev, so he actually could have supported someone else.

And this would have tipped the scales to someone other than Gorbachev, because half the politburo did not like Gorbachev.


>think you could lean on empowering Grigory Romanov to assure a base level of competence & limits to corruption

Romanov and Shcherbytsky were the best picks. Shcherbytsky wanted to improve planning. Romanov could go either way. But he would not do what Gorbachev did. And he also had his own plans, from his experience and connections with Leningrad, that's not based on market reforms.

>People like Kosolapov could be invited to the ideological department.

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>>2810284
> I think its because the rioters had no concrete goal, they didn't know what to do after burning down the stores and breaking through the barricades. They had no vision and their demands were vague
There was a clear process of insurrectionary clarification going on, at least from the accounts I've heard from comrades the uprising in ecuador and chile and from the Yellow Vests in france. Apolitical proles were organically building radical class consciousness through participation and there was a real potential for these "hunger riot" movements to spill over into something much bigger. Of course the opportunist, reformist, counterrevolutionary elements contributed to extinguishing the flame as well but imo the COVID measures were the biggest factor.

For anyone who is interested in reading a critique of communization theory you can read the ICT's article called "The Disappointed of 1968: Seeking Refuge in Utopia" (https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2020-08-28/the-disappointed-of-1968-seeking-refuge-in-utopia).

Its more of a critique against communizers who have abandoned class struggle or believe that there is no such thing as a "working class" anymore but if anyone is interested they can read it.

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>>2810286
very convenient how covid happened just in the right moment haha

bump



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To be honest I’m new to leftism

I think I joined this mess and identity with these ideas is that I believe that all other ideologies have failed or will inevitably fail if they came to power, nothing will stop the endless cycle of the battle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, communism is inevitable and nothing will stop the will of the people.

I know some of the basics of Marxism but I don’t really know a lot about economics as a whole, that’s really the problem.

Is there any book recommendations aside from the manifesto to start with? Also is this version of the manifesto good or is it complete libslop
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_West_Came_to_Rule

Also, read this if you think you can manage it. You can find it on Anna's archive or probably LibGen

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>>2815503
>Are there ideas of how to achieve that?
permanent revolution (pic related, its how it will look)


>>2814894
If you're serious about actually understanding Marxism, not the liberalized, toothless version that treats worker co-ops as the end goal, you need to ground yourself in foundational theory, not vague market-friendly nonsense.

Start with Engels for a solid orientation:

"Principles of Communism" lays out the basics in Q&A format: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" helps contrast real scientific socialism with moralistic daydreams: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

Before diving into Capital, it's worth getting a grip on Marx’s political economy:

"Value, Price and Profit", dissects surplus value and wages under capitalism: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

"Wage Labor and Capital", earlier and simpler, good to pair with the above: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdf

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Ignore the other posts. This is the only reading list you need to be a Marxist:
J. Sakai - "Settlers"
E. Said - "Orientalism"
B. ᴉuᴉlossnW - "La dottrina del fascismo"
G. Sorel - "Reflections on Violence"
P. J. Proudhon - "Conquest of Bread"
M. Bakunin - "The Program of the International Brotherhood"
K. O. Paetel - "National Bolshevist Manifesto"



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>mein fuhrer
<yes jojo
>is our entire ideology born from co-opting left populism
<yes jojo
>do we pretend to be third position when our ideology is just the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital
<yes jojo
>do will still call ourselves third position or just say far right
<sometimes we say third position but most of the time far right
>will we pretend not to care about media reaffirming our worldview
<yes jojo
>will we complain about how media isn’t cratering to us but never start our own art movement because we masquerade as the personal responsibility crowd
<yes jojo
>is this because fascist have only even gotten into power through democracy or coups so we don’t have the revolutionary spirit
<yes jojo
>is that why we care about leftists stealing our “memes” because it’s the closest thing we have to an art movement
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Ah yes, the eternal battle between leftists (liberals) and fascists (liberals)

>>2816672
Oh, so WW2 was just liberal infighting. Great, the more you learn



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Is there a point in picking a leftist "tendency"?

I'm quite familiar with theory and concepts such as Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, Left Communism etc never really stood out to me as something I'd support over others with the exception of anarchism being generally retarded. I've always had the since of "I'll support anything that looks like it has a chance of working"

Yes but also no. No because the movement is still too weak for that. Yes because we need to have a proper understanding of what went wrong in the past/present and what to do in the present/future.



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venezuelan diaspora are almost on par thinking being a US colony with no agency over their oil will somehow liberate venezuela who else would be on par or almost on par
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See: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2816472.html#q2816472

They are tethers who support suffering since they know they the disastrous aftermath won’t be externalised onto them anyway.

>>2816474
>Venezuelan cheered when Maduro was kidnapped
He was running the country to the ground and venezuelans are poorer than theyve ever been under his rule

I hate gusanos

I dont get it, if they think they are incabable of governing themselves, why dont they want to be governed by am actual successfull governement, like China's?

>>2816458
yep, indeed pretty good considering its situation

>>2816474
>cheered
no they largely didn't



 

Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee from their text called "The Call" (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-call). They are a part of the anarchist side of communization and, like mainstream communization, they support the immediacy of revolution and the abolition of the working class. They are also insurrectionist.

From what I've heard they are very problematic, with some individuals claiming that they harass fellow anarchists who disgaree with them. There's this article written by an ex-member of the appelistes, claiming that they were bigotted, didn't protect the women within the appelist circle from rapists, and that they were hostile towards other anarchists. (https://anarchistnews.org/content/jumping-ship-or-why-im-defecting-terrible-community)

They have also been seen as reformist, as one anarchist claims that they were "the French tiqqunists who sold out anarchists at the Zad in order to negotiate for state-sanctioned land projects." (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/some-intractables-more-talk-more-rock).

Both the articles linked give a lot more detail to how problematic they are, so please read them if you want more detail.
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>>2810619
>Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee
Adventurist retardation

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>>2810658
>I was originally going to post this thread in leftychan's /dead/ board
As an olddandy and also the leftcom on 0chan I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.

>>2810634
Appel idk is an irrelevant ideology that only people who have ever heard of it are the most uk Dora borderline anarchist bordigists pursust deviationists
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>>2811727
Exactly THEYRE so irrelevant that I just header about them now and I know about things like de Leonism, accelerationism, the bordigist the damenists and compromises middle factions between them in the left-com movement the og accelerationists etc…

>>2816501
Autocorrect raped me when I said ultra bordigist

>>2816488
>I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.
make it here and just call it /communism/ to make red socdems seethe



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Cuba Defends Right to ‘Legitimate Defense’ After U.S. Media Claim Military Drone Acquisition
The Axios report, citing a senior U.S. intelligence official, claimed that Washington is analyzing the threat of drones from Cuba that could be used against the U.S. naval base at Guantánamo Bay, U.S. military vessels, or Key West, Florida. The report also mentioned the alleged presence of Iranian military advisors in Havana. Such information could serve as a pretext for hypothetical U.S. military action on the island, according to the Cuban government. The diplomatic row comes just days after an unusual high‑level meeting in Havana between CIA Director John Ratcliffe and Cuban intelligence officials.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/cuba-defends-right-to-legitimate-defense-after-u-s-media-claim-military-drone-acquisition/

Venezuela ‘Deports’ Former Minister, Diplomatic Envoy Alex Saab to US
The executive led by Acting President Delcy Rodríguez announced the “deportation of Colombian citizen Alex Saab Morán” through a statement issued by the Administrative Service for Identification, Migration, and Immigration (SAIME). The statement said the measure was adopted “taking into consideration that [Saab] is implicated in various crimes in the United States of America, as is publicly known and widely reported.” According to local media reports, Saab was transferred under custody from the El Helicoide detention center in Caracas to Simón Bolívar International Airport in Maiquetía, where a US government airplane was waiting for him. The operation reportedly involved agents from the FBI and the CIA, under the supervision of the US Justice and State Departments.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-extradites-former-minister-diplomatic-envoy-alex-saab-to-face-us-charges/

U.S. Agencies Will Operate From Surveillance Tower in Chihuahua, Despite Recent Unauthorized CIA Presence in the Mexican State
Despite the political scandal that has raised concern about U.S. government involvement in Mexico, Chihuahua is pressing ahead wiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

At least one person killed in shooting at Islamic Center of San Diego
Police rushed to the center on Monday and “neutralized” the shooter, according to authorities. Authorities had not yet confirmed any fatalities or injuries, but chairman of the mosque that was targeted confirmed to outlets that a guard had been killed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/18/active-shooter-report-san-diego-islamic-center

Trump officials plan to repeal limits on ‘forever chemicals’ in drinking water
The Trump administration’s plan comes just two years after the US Environmental Protection Agency set legally enforceable drinking water limits for six of the most dangerous Pfas compounds that have been studied. The chemicals include some of the most toxic substances, and are linked to a range of cancers and other serious health problems.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/18/trump-administration-epa-pfas-water

Trump creates $1.8B "anti-weaponization" fund after dropping IRS suit
The dismissal comes as Trump has reportedly considered launching a $1.776 billion taxpayer-funded compensation fund for those who claim they were wrongfully targeted by the Biden administration, including Jan. 6 defendants.
https://www.axios.com/2026/05/18/trump-irs-lawsuit-dropped
https://archive.ph/ev0Qq

US states reject anti-vaccine bills as public health groups fight MAHA
Dozens of state anti-vaccine bills backed by "Make America Healthy Again" supporters have failed after public health groups won over Republican state lawmakers, marking a series of defeats for the backers ​of Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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Why Is the Labour Right Desperate to Rehash Brexit?: It’s like 2016 all over again.
For those of you a little out of puff after last week’s avalanche of Labour leadership maneuverings, remember: it’s a marathon not a sprint. Stay hydrated, folks, and find your pace, because we’ve exactly a month to go before 18 June. That’s the date now being reported (though still unconfirmed) on which the good people of Makerfield will select their new MP – and possibly the next prime minister. Forget the future, though: it’s history that’s been occupying Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham this weekend. Even though only Streeting has declared his intention to run, everyone and their dog knows they’re our current contenders for the Labour crown. That may explain why the recently ex-health secretary, very much the longshot in this race, decided to truly set le chat amongst i piccioni on Samstag. Yes, chicos, we’re Brexdebating like it’s 2016 all over again. “Leaving the European Union,” Wes Streeting told a meeting of the Labour right Progress group this weekend, “was a catastrophic mistake.” That’s quite the stall to set out when you’re pitching for the biggest job in politics. Guaranteed to turn the stomach of one chunk of the electorate, overstimulate the hope cores of another, and send the rest into a spiral of screaming pub lunch flashbacks, little could be more divisive. Were Streeting leading the Labour party to a general election tomorrow, ‘Catastrophic’ would be graffitied across his political tombstone the very next day. Of course, Streeting is not running for popular election anytime soon. But Andy Burnham probably is. The Greater Manchester mayor has, from the comfort of his northern throne, mused similarly in the past. “Long term,” he said of the EU at Labour conference last September, “I’m going to be honest, I’m going to say it: I want to rejoin it.”
https://novaramedia.com/2026/05/18/why-is-the-labour-right-desperate-to-rehash-brexit/

China, the “Thucydides Trap” and the Illusion of “Anti-Imperialist Multipolarity”
President Xi Jinping’s invocation of the so-called “Thucydides Trap” during the recent hosting of Donald Trump was not a neutral geopolitical observation. It reflected a real and sharpening contradiction within the imperialist systePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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