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>I love my country but it does not yet exist edition

The American question is: how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth without either reproducing the imperial form or fragmenting into balkanized enclaves that allow capital to reconstitute, while resolving the contradictions of internal colonization and liberating its external colonies, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?

ICE & Prison Resources
Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world.
>ICE In My Area // ICE tracker using public info and user submissions
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
>AILA Deaths Log // list of deaths at ICE concentration camps
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
>Incarceration in Real Numbers // visualization of prison population in US
https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
>Organizing in Prison // for when the walls close in (RANT Collective)
https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
>US Jails Database // database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites
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>>2901695
>I hate the British working class, because they are willing and gleeful collaborators in the globe-spanning British empire. I don't care if the children are chimney sweeps with lung cancer! Fuck 'em

  • Karl Marx, DaSS KKKapital: The KKKlanditions of the """workkking""" kkklass in KKKlangland

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>>2901461

I don't know the context, but I pray for your victory over every obstacle

>>2900384
Mkultra aint sending their best

>>2900464
The lying yank cannot fathom that a man does not lie about his identity



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Ich muss mich mal kurz bilden.


>>2900192
Hatte 25 BSW gewählt und bin schwer ernüchtert: a) interne Parteikriege, welche dazu führen, dass mit den Kapitalisten gekuschelt wird b) Wahlmanipulation, gegen die man nicht vorgehen kann, wenn die Partei zu klein ist c) kleine Parteien bringen keine Veränderung, weil sie keine Mehrheiten haben.
Ich empfehle einfach taktisch zu wählen.
  • welche Partei verspricht, was ich will
  • welche Partei enspricht meiner Ideologie
  • welche Partei hat die Chance, tatsächlich Macht zu bekommen

In dieser Reihenfolge.


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Das neue Sternchen am Streamerhimmel.



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has anyone been paying attention to these ""discussions"" on tiktok the gentiles believe that lindsay clancey didn't kill her kids, straight people are only attracted to other, and the word cis is a slur/predatory (old foids don't want to be called it so if you call them that its le rape) how are we to reeducate these people with no institutional power
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>mfw naziflag talks to anyone, ever, about children
L. Mao

>>2901039
all you uyghurs seem to misunderstand that im not just talking about these specific discourses the gentiles seem to always be wrapped up in these "discussions" that lead them to ideas (in this case philosophies with younger people getting into ""politics"""") which we will have to teach out of them

>>2901140
Things are infinitely better offline.
Still not great, but seriously better.

>>2901140
my uyghur my uyghur ima ride for my mothafuckin uyghurs

>>2901140
Why do the terminally online have such difficulty understanding a basic concept like "what you see online is a biased sample and not necessarily reflective of what people offline actually think"



 

Today most legal systems nominally reject collective punishment, emphasizing individual responsibility. It is also prohibited in armed conflict under international humanitarian law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention. This was not always the case. The Athenian Draco is remembered for harsh laws, from which we get the word "Draconian" but one of his major reforms was to replace private blood feuds with state-administered justice. Before his code, killings were often avenged by the victim's family, leading to cycles of retaliation.

The shift from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt toward individual responsibility and the presumption of innocence was gradual rather than revolutionary. In many ancient and medieval societies, families, clans, villages, or entire communities could be held liable for the actions of one member, and accused individuals often had to prove their innocence through oaths, ordeals, or social standing. These proofs were often ritual in nature and lacked scientific rigor. Over centuries, especially under the influence of Roman legal principles, canon law, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and liberal constitutionalism, legal systems increasingly emphasized that guilt should be based on evidence against a specific individual rather than group affiliation. Thinkers such as Beccaria and Blackstone argued that protecting the innocent from wrongful punishment was more important than maximizing convictions, leading to higher standards of proof, formal rules of evidence, due process, and the modern principle that the prosecution bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite these legal prohibitions, governments and armed groups have at times been accused of imposing measures that amount to collective punishment, especially during wars, occupations, and counterinsurgency campaigns. Whether a specific case qualifies is often legally and politically disputed.

The transformation from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt to individual liability and the presumption of innocence was driven largely by changes in state capacity and legal administration. As governments became stronger, more centralized, and more bureaucratic, they relied less on kinship groups to police their own members and more on professional courts, investigators, and judges. Improved record-keeping, forensic methods, written legal codes, and standardized procedures made it increasingly feasible (but not necessarilPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2879129
>entered thread thinking OP was defending bourgeous collective punishment
<ptsd of job related collective punishment by demented manager rising
>actually read OP
>OP, actually, made correct points

>Should the ruling class be collectively punished for this crime, potentially undermining or reversing the the historical changes described above?

Yes, beyond question. Liberals will disagree, but what the fuck do you retards think when communists talk of revolution and a dictatorship of the proletariat? The bourgeiousie will be brought to heel and collectively dominated as a class. They will be punished as a class and eventually liquidated as a class. In the remnants of a world whose biosphere was nearly destroyed by capitalism, whose oligarical overlords raped children and enslaved multitudes, killed tens of millions is hellish wars, poisoned swathes of the earth, not in some calculated aim but just at the anarchic tide of markets, that there will be any pity or handwaving for holding the dying capitalist class accountable? Ridiculous.

When communists are more preoccupied with punishment instead of building a new society, nothing gets done.

>>2879129
The social murder is not a crime under any system of positive law, but a strategy in class warfare. You are trying to fit this in an unfit category

>>2879375
>the problem isnt that israelis are the "bad guys", it is that they [proceeds to describe bad guys doing collective punishment against a victim population] where is the punishment there?
astounding mental gymnastics

>>2884725
not even in the most successful socialist projects has the bourgeoisie been "liquidated" down to the individual with punishment applying to children and so forth. In reality we see a much more complex situation where careful consideration is made for whether the particular bourgeois individual was a class traitor or not. People who talk like this think Marx and Engels and Marx's wife and children would have been lynched by the proletariat for being bourgeois, with no consideration as to the content of their lives and deeds.



 

Exmples of what I mean:
  • Black Panther Party - aimed to destroy the US and bring communism, did nothing notable, disbanded after being targeted by the state they wanted to destroy. Online leftists say they did nothing wrong and blame the evil capitalist US for not letting a bunch of dudes destroy itself.
  • The USSR - a system that almost died in late 1960s but was saved by oil prices. When oil prices dropped back down it also died. Thoughout its existence it was plagued by internal issues, corruption, censorship, and Dubai style megaprojects.
  • Concept of "Late stage capitalism" - the term was coined over 100 years ago and it implies that capitalism is heading towards collapse soon™. Since then capitalisn has transformed multiple times but it is still "late stage" and this time it is definitely going to collapse. (dont look at parallels with christian latter days)
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>>2901289
I thought "late stage capitalism" meant "as of late" but maybe I fell for a meme. Yeah the left has been predicting the fall of capitalism for 150 years, so it goes.

the civil rights movement ended jim crow and segregation and gave black americans the right to vote and dealt a major blow to white supremacy and terrorized the ruling class and racist white citizenry and forced a total restructuring of american society by way of white flight from the cities into suburbia

the ussr won world war 2 and destroyed the third reich and saved the world from falling under the rule of the most terrible totalitarian empire in history (at the time) and prevented the total extermination of the jewish people, as well as gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people, etc.

the term late stage capitalism was coined long ago because anyone who wasn't a complete fucking idiot could use their brain and understand that an economic philosophy based on perpetual expansion in a world of finite space and resources is mathematically unsustainable and would eventually run out of room to expand and transition away from industrialization and real production and profits and towards deindustrialization and financialism and zero-sum transactions, which it did.

>>2901530
> BPP
I'd not go as far as to equate a militant black power group with the civil rights movement. Matter of fact, "nothing notable" is in the context of the civil rights movement.
> USSR
well, Epstein donated to charity. Did his faults evaporate?
> third
That's a highly dubious claim. If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

>>2901289
humanity has been around for 200,000 years, feudalism was around for 500 years, capitalism has been around for 300 years. Capitalism has survived longer than some thought it would, but I think it is definitely transforming into socialism for several ways that I can elaborate if you care about.

>>2901618
>If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

well op started it by thinking he was being clever and sneaky by carefully singling out the black panthers and choosing not to even acknowledge the greater underlying movement behind it, like we were all born yesterday and can't read between the lines and figure out what he's up to. i'm just playing along with typical bad faith internet argument mindgames, that's all. hey what about that time i went to a soup kitchen and i found a hair my soup, they really ought to shut that place down shouldn't they.



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Why the fuck is it impossible for some of you neurotic freaks to be normal? Why must so many of you be contrarian fuckwits? For an ideology called "Socialism" you'd think you'd be able to manage basic social skills and not go "Uhm well ackshually Dolly Parton supported Iraq and didn't post about Palestine" right after she's fucking died. Why are so many of you so autistic you can't grasp something as basic as pandering to the sensibilities of normies even slightly and not screeching incessantly about her being a crakkker fascist or whatever because she wasn't bankrolling the Black Panthers or something?

The goal of Communists is to seize power for the working class. That means elevating the consciousness of the working people to see that their welfare and survival can only be secured by political means. Why are so many of you fuckwits so allergic to power that you think shitting on a figured universally beloved by that working class is a good idea?

Yes, there is a time and a place to discuss how celebrities can be tools to support Imperialism and Capitalism. That time and place is not fucking now. Maybe you're right, she did support Imperialism by being a sex symbol for "da troops" or whatever. Can you retards not grasp that saying that shit NOW doesn't make you a based and principled revolutionary, it makes you look like an unhinged lunatic. You're not just being a contrarian dickhead, you're being a shit Communist, and the entire movement would be better off without you.

Communists are not immune to the basic principles of politics and power-brokering. Touch grass ffs
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>>2901308
Normalcy is a spook

>>2901500
>the same as Nazis who refuse to listen to any popular music because it's "the sonic Jew"
Would be embarrassing if Nazis are more principled than leftists who can't wait for the next hollyweird movie, "prestige" TV show, video game pacifier.

>>2902361
>Falling for the Amish scam
>Muh new vs old media
Nta, but actually research how the Amish economically sustain themselves (they're way more integrated into the capitalist economy then their PR suggests). And the idea that consuming "nu" media makes you more of a "pacified consumer" then the consumption of "old" media is peak ideology with the blinders on.

>>2901355
>Name me a single issue in the world today more important than Palestine
According to what criteria? You can orgue an ongoing genocide can be the absolute priority from a moral standpoint, but it can be overshadowed by the slow ecological collapse that concerns all of mankind, or other wars that tank globel economy and therefore the livelyhood of billions…

"Uhm well ackshually Dolly Parton supported Iraq and didn't post about Palestine"
Literally who, cares?



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Can the top minds of this leftist board please fill me in on why /pol/yps' dead board is full of bot threads arguing either for or against the DSA?

I want to believe that they're bot/shill threads because all the replies are ridiculously stupid, uninteresting, and half of the time a thread will have 200-300 replies with not a single post addressing the OP image. A couple of days ago I saw a thread with the twitter account "End Wokeness" complaining about the DSA being dangerous, and only about 4 out of 250 replies even addressed the fact that End Wokeness is an Orthodox Zionist Jew (which should be common knowledge on a board which screams about da joooooz all day, but not for LLMs which can't parse the text in the OP image). I just saw this thread now and it made me unbelievably pissed off. Not a single person for dozens of replies pointed out that historically a bunch of socialist leaders (Mao, Pol Pot, many of "da joooooz" in Russia who were part of the Middle Class Intelligentsia with animosity against Christian Tsarist autocracy) were part of the petit-bourgeoisie, urban skilled professions or came from families wealthy rural landowners (which is how they got enough education to become socialist activists in the first place).

Plus, the average person with no money is literally a wageslave with no time, no connections and no resources to be heard by other people/media. Why wouldn't socialist organisers disproportionately be people with some amount of money, just like a ton of the alt-right personalities were? Only so many people can become political talking heads by being viral streamers, and even then they can only get so far unless they can afford to make it their full-time pursuit (which involves money). And on top of that, what radical Union organisations does the USA even have that exist in the consciousness of the average zoomer? What do these people fucking want, John Henry?

This has to be a concerted effort to spam discussion about the DSA on that dead board, it's not possible so many people can be so inane and stupid for hundreds of posts on end. Can somebody explain to me why exactly there is a shill war between the DSA and MIGAtards on the dead website that is 4cuck?
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>>2901222
<posted 4chins again award
Fuck off
>flaunted her summer
>>2901243
What? Damn, these people really are retarded. sad to see.>What's interesting here is that together with France the "far right" has never been in power in Germany since ww2. My pet theory's other euro states are a bit more inoculated against this stuff because…
Yea, or it could be the cordon sanitaire and use of state powers of suppression.
fdpd

>>2901347
I was talking about why after entering power the first time (generally by supporting or joining a coalition) - the "far right" tends to not get re-elected again or falls off electorally. It's not about why they've never come to power in post-war France or Germany.

>>2901230
>Why would they kill the right on purpose?
They aren’t.

Wow I haven't used that board in literal years, went on it because of this thread and those dudes make leftypol look like a collection of the greatest minds the world has ever seen. I have no clue how you spend time there OP

>>2901222
>why are people not posting MY arguments that I (MYSELF) could come up with ?
>Is it because they're bots?
Do you have a theory of mind ?



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You know there are actually two NATO's?
Class A NATO and Class B NATO.
Class A - Germanic NATO.
Class B - Slavic NATO.

When there would be an actual attack on NATO Class B, it doesn't mean the Class A (Germanic) will go and send their soldiers to fight the attacker.
You will not read about this in official documents and statements, but this is the reality.

If for example, Putler would attack the baltics, we might see Poland, Romania and maybe Finland and Sweden, fighting.

NATO is a paper tiger, Putler is already doing hybrid war against baltics, Poland, Romania, but NATO is not reacting at all, they don't respond with hybrid war against Russia.
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I think the division is more down to the “old powers” looking out for number one.
The UK, France and Germany aren’t going to agree amongst them who’s elected to be the battleground for a war (let’s face it, it’d be Germany again) so expanding to conquer former Soviet and Warsaw Pact nations is, on the one hand more likely to spark war, but on the other has the irresistible benefit that war will be fought on someone else’s territory. Their former adversaries’ in fact.

It’s genius, if it weren’t for the fact WW3 is exceedingly unlikely to remain conventional. So in practice they’ve just brought us closer to nuclear war than at any point in the Cold War because potentially a Russia-NATO war stops with negotiations with Ukraine getting rekt rather than Germany.

Germanics never planned to defend the Slavs if Russia invades. It was fake from the beginning.

>Class B
also known as Butthurt Belt

>>2901350
I notice that Pakistanis self-brainwash themselves a lot to make contradictory ideas make sense. Like how Pakistan is a US ally and receives US weapon and aid and attacked Afghanistan while simultaneously pretending to be anti imperialist. Turkiyiyiyie is also the same, simultaneously LARPing as Brics while being a NATO member.

>>2901358
>Russia will feel confident to invade Poland and Lithuania
i wish they would



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Brazilian presidential candidate stages a falseflag, blames Leftypol
Yesterday, someone in Leftypol's latam board posted a death threat to Renan Santos, a Brazilian candidate in this year's presidential elections. Within (what I believe to be) seconds, it was deleted by the own OP. Reportedly no one saw that post, but it is in the board's log. Some hours later, websites and social media started circulating this as (minor) news, and Renan Santos promptly recorded a video (related) wearing a bulletproof vest saying he's being threatened by radical leftists in an obscure imageboard, who intended to kill him on his next speech at an university (the most famous one in Brazil), yadda yadda.
Renan Santos is a member of MBL and its Missão party, which are alt-right organizations that are somewhat popular with the Brazilian youth. He is ranking low, at only 4% of estimated votes in the upcoming elections, but he ranks higher with young voters, and will probably scoop a third place behind Lula and Bolsonaro's son.

Thoughts?
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>>2892901
that's crazy. are tech fascists so paranoid about leftists that they're monitoring us? we literally have no influence anywhere on the internet and i doubt more than 3k people post here

HOLY SHIT KEKKKKKK

i killed him last month ama

I want to wish the anon who made the post a very happy brazil or whatever they celebrate there

we did it reddit



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2881092
And white reactoid's agenda is 99% compatible with the Shariah, yet the overwhelming majority still screech about muzzies.
They just don't mingle with swarthier people, strategic advancement of their own goals be damned.

An Invasive Mosquito Is Spreading With Alarming Speed, Threatening Africa’s Cities

An invasive, malaria-carrying, insecticide-resistant mosquito that thrives in cities, where malaria has not been a major threat, has moved farther and faster across Africa than even pessimistic scientists had feared. And many public health experts believe it is too late to eliminate, or even contain, it.
A new genomic analysis of the mosquito, called Anopheles stephensi, using specimens collected from 10 countries, showed that those found in Africa had genetic resistance to all of the chemicals currently used in spraying campaigns and other mosquito-control efforts, meaning those insecticides will not kill it.

Before stephensi arrived in 2013, Djibouti was on the cusp of declaring malaria eradicated. In 2012, there were just 27 cases. A year after stephensi was found, cases shot up to nearly 1,700. Each year thereafter, the number crept up, and in 2020, there was an explosion: more than 70,000 cases.
The spread of stephensi is yet another setback in an already sputtering battle with mosquitoes in Africa. In 2024, there were nine million more malaria cases than in 2023. While the full 2025 data is not available yet, and will be less comprehensive due to health program funding cuts, there are clear signs that malaria is resurgent.

https://archive.is/TMjZ7

COSATU's ANC support faces test as SACP eyes 2026 local elections
>COSATU will decide at its 15th National Congress whether to stick with its ANC support or broaden its position as affiliates seek mandates on backing the ANC or SACP in the 2026 local elections.
https://www.ewn.co.za/2026/08/25/cosatus-anc-support-faces-test-as-sacp-eyes-2026-local-elections

Vidrel: National Education, Health and Allied Workers' Union (NEHAWU) has resolved to support the South African Communist Party
NEHAWU has resolved to support the South African Communist Party as it prepares to contest the 2026 Local Government Elections independently. The decision, solidified during NEHAWU's 13th National Congress, marks a massive fracture in the labour movement's traditional "vote ANC" stance. Nehawu's new president Nyameka Macanda says they believe the SACP is the vanguard of the working class.

Conference of the Left signals realignment in South African politics
While ideological differences among participating organisations remain substantial — particularly on questions of nationalism, socialism, Pan-Africanism, electoral strategy and the role of the state — the conference nevertheless signals a growing recognition that fragmentation on the left has strengthened neoliberal and centrist forces.
The possibility of tactical cooperation among left-leaning organisations could therefore herald the emergence of a new political bloc capable of reshaping opposition politics in South Africa.

For the ANC and the DA, such a development would pose a serious challenge. The ANC risks losing even more of its traditional working-class support base, while the DA could become increasingly identified with defending the status quo within the GNU.
Should a coherent left alternative emerge, it could fundamentally alter the ideological terrain of South African politics in the years ahead.

Whether the Conference of the Left becomes a genuine vehicle for left unity or remains merely another symbolic gathering will depend on its ability to move beyond rhetoric and achieve organisational coherence, ideological clarity and effective mass mobilisation.
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tfw the equatorial guinean I am talking to has better internet speeds than me

>>2901161
CGTV interview with GS of SACP Solly Mapaila.
<vidrel
Statement on the 105th anniversary of the South African Communist Party and the launch of the 2026 Local Government Election Manifesto
https://www.politicsweb.co.za/news/on-the-sacp-manifesto-for-lge-2026-solly-mapaila



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