/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2863003
Almost every communist defends kurdish peoples freedom, rights and usage of kurdish language. But we are pretty far away from PKK because of their theory and their relations with USA.

>>2834909
It is. Im not saying refugees dont have rights to be here, since Türkiye take place in syria War and caused thoused of people to leave their region. But most of them are still radically muslim.

any laz anons?
what are some resources to learn the language? an anki deck would be nice
we need to establish a proper movement to preserve the language and the culture

Gobble gobble.

>>2881349
there are millions of syrian refugees and only like 250k of them have turkish citizenship

OP here, why do my shitpost threads get the most replies? I expected this to be moved to /siberia/.

>>2879015
this is a pretty much meaningless truism that has been repeated ad absurdum but never defined what "western left" or "socially conservative" actually means

Leftists somehow manage to be double-wrong on immigration. Immigration under capitalism leads to suppressed wages and is generally not a great things AS LONG as capitalism exists. Under communism, nations will be abolished and there will be free movement of people worldwide.

So the "socially leftist" communists simultaneously support immigration in Western countries which is the single biggest reason for them not having any popularity, while also claiming that nation-states will exist in socialism, denying the inherently international nature of communism, therefore falsifying communism and making it easy for the working class to be misled by opportunist governments.

In other words, leftists are economically right and socially left when it comes to capitalism and economically left and socially right when it comes to socialism. Both are retarded.

>>2879588
>NO LEFTY PERSON WITH A LARGE SIZED HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS WOULD HAVE EVER FULLY STOMACHED ALL THE DEGROWTH, DRUG-LIBERALIZATION, PRISON ABOLITION, ANTI-GUN STUFF, STATELESSNESS ADVOCACY, PROTECT THE INNOCENT CRACKHEADS STORIES, PRO-SEXWORK PROMOTION, KEEP THE SAME ORDER/GOV BUT REFORMED STUFF, LET PEOPLE STEAL THINGS
That's exactly it. I'm not right-wing in any meaningful way. I'm not even a taylorist larper who needs everything to be about sweaty industrial workers, development of the means of production tends to reduce physical labor anyway. I'm all about actual, real, material progress. Many things associated with "the left" have nothing to do with that. The lumpenproletariat has nothing to do with progress by definition. The same is true of degrowth.

>>2881308
But the question remains, who can we trust, and who is actually allied with the American people at large?

>>2881314

i can only speak for myself and my own ability to read a person and be a judge of human character, i can't tell other people who to trust and not to trust. i personally don't think any democratic or republican candidate has ever been allied with the american people at large, our entire society and all of its institutions are designed in such a way to prevent those kinds of people from ever rising to positions of importance.

i remember a long time i ago i listened to an episode of the marc maron podcast where he interviewed barack obama and it kind of made me understand the situation in a way that i've never really been able to forget. the longer i listened to him talk the more i became aware of two things, one being that he talks about the common american people the exact same way he talks about his own daughters, where he sees them as helpless confused children and himself as a loving but firm parent, and the other being that when he says things that are just blatantly false or misleading or downright callous, like defending us drone attacks in the middle east as a necessary national security measure, he isn't being dishonest; he is being completely sincere and he genuinely believes these things.

people tend to have this conception of politicians as being these crafty scheming pathological liars, but the truth is actually a lot worse than that. the real painful truth is that they aren't lying and that they are completely and utterly brainwashed, indoctrinated to the point where they are genuinely insane and have no connection to reality at all. the school system, the military, big business, corporate journalism, the justice system, local politics, national politics, all of these hierarchical institutions are designed to groom and filter people from early childhood onward, indoctrinating them to think a certain way and weeding out the ones who cannot or will not get with the program, so by the time you get to the top you're not really dealing with human beings who are capable of critical thinking or perceiving reality anymore, you're dealing with manufactured products that come from a machine.

>>2881123
I look like this

>>2881155
>My fellow rightoids did this with Drumpf thinking both times thinking he was on their side, but as time moved along Drumpf revealed he was part of the same big club of elites just playing an actor's role, what makes you think your little DSA is going to be any different?
Trump was always transparently an elite though, rightoids had to turbogaslight themselves into thinking otherwise with gematria and pepejak spam. Unlike rightoids, you have the tech literacy to research into the DSA and weigh the cost-benefits of an imperfect but momentarily optimal choice in a system purposely built to not give workers an obvious good choice.

Why not vote for actual communists?
>there arent any
Then run for election and/or start a communist party.

>>2881528
That’s true of literally every wave of automation that’s ever happened

>>2881530
and tell me about the current success of gas lamp lighting unions, saddlemakers unions, etc.

IT workers had to gradually get proletarianized because they started out as petty bourgeoisie and labor aristocrats highly adjacent to the military industrial complex. It took several decades of privatization deregulation and outsourcing for this process to reach a fever pitch, and now maybe tech workers will begin to develop the sort of trade union consciousness (let alone class consciousness) that had to be developed independently by manual laborers in the 19th century.

>>2881528
> it's like a machine is scabbing you all the time.
That's not … ugh never mind. It's the tor node baiters.

Moved to >>>/labor/2053.

I'm tired of this meme that Democrats and Republicans are the same. The Democrats are standard neoliberal fare. Republicans are straight up a neo-fascist party. They are both bad but one is obviously worse than the other.

>>2881511
>I'm tired of this meme that Democrats and Republicans are the same
That’s not a meme
>The Democrats are standard neoliberal fare
I don’t think you understand what goes into standard neoliberal fare for you to say that.
>Republicans are straight up a neo-fascist party
And so are the Democrats.
>They are both bad but one is obviously worse than the other.
They both worked hand in hand to make the we all have to live in.

>>2881500
Exile people for "unamerican thought"s is the logical conclusion

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U.S. investigating whether Iran was behind cyberattack on Minnesota water systems
Malicious cyber activity affected technology at more than 30 community water systems across Minnesota this week, forcing some utilities to switch to manual operations as state and federal authorities dig into who is behind the attack, CBS News has learned.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-investigating-iran-cyberattack-minnesota-water-systems/

US cites ‘unauthorized travel’ to end DACA status for a mother of 3 deported to Mexico
A Texas mother deported to Mexico despite having legal permission to stay in the U.S. after arriving as a child has filed a lawsuit against the federal government after it notified her it would be terminating her permission because of “unauthorized travel” stemming from her deportation.
https://apnews.com/article/daca-immigration-texas-uscis-09071c1707e6e1d385ca503c9c75bc6f

Data Centers Divide Democrats in Michigan Primary
This growing opposition has forced Michigan’s elected officials to reconsider the wisdom of the state’s 2024 decision to hand out tax breaks to data center constructors. Abdul El-Sayed, an epidemiologist and former Wayne County public health official running in the August 4 Democratic primary for U.S. Senate, told Barn Raiser that the corporations building data centers aren’t straightforward about their development plans.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/data-centers-michigan-democrats-primary-el-sayed-stevens

Seattle police chief resigns under pressure from mayor over response to festival shooting
Mayor Katie Wilson’s announcement followed hours of speculation about whether Police Chief Shon Barnes would step down, as some of his supporters said he had rebuffed Wilson’s request to resign. Wilson said she was appointing Deputy Chief Andre Sayles, a law enforcement veteran with more than two decades of experience, as interim chief. Barnes told The Seattle Times earlier ThurPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The Right vs. the Right: Conservative “Liberals” in the Age of Trump
Before the last presidential election, Adolph Reed Jr. argued that “electoral politics has captured too much of the political imagination of the American left—or, at least, of those occupying the cultural space that a left would if there were one in this country.” Reed lamented the culturally dominant “sensibility that approaches politics as largely performative, a theater for the expression of righteousness, or bearing witness for justice and against injustice.” As many radicals long predicted, this approach to politics has handed the whole of the national political conversation to the right, and this development will plague American society long after Trump is a memory. We’ve reached a point where Bill Kristol can be a featured speaker at a “liberal” conference. It’s hard, in this context, to know which way is up, yet we can see clearly that all ways now point rightward. Kristol is far from alone; this cottage industry includes a who’s who of bloody-handed, Bush-era conservatives who now pretend to care about the rule of law, when their whole careers were spent writing thin apologies for the many constitutional violations of the post-9/11 years. We would not be in this moment with MAGA lawlessness and authoritarianism were it not for the people behind The Bulwark, the Lincoln Project, and the various other groups and outlets that have emerged on the right since Trump.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/07/30/the-right-vs-the-right-conservative-liberals-in-the-age-of-trump/

Power beneath the surface: Mining, politics and the Marcos dev’t agenda
For Indigenous peoples in Kasibu, Nueva Vizcaya, there is no justice in Ferdinand Marcos Jr.’s ‘just’ energy transition. Growing up in the fertile rice fields of the province, Bugkalot-Ilongot resident Zesirie Enggo chose to till the same land that had sustained generations of their community. On sunny days before, she recalled, a single hectare of their rice field could yield up to 100 sacks of palay. Yet, as several mining corporations — FCF Minerals Corporation, Oceana Gold Philippines Inc. and now North Luzon Mineral Resources Corporation (NLMRC) — take interest in the richness of their mountains and soil, their livPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2881212
Yes anon. We all read the OP.

>>2881217
Those 2500 euro are surely going to overthrow the American Government

>According to the campaign, the organizers claim responsibility for previous acts of vandalism targeting replicas of the Statue of Liberty associated with the Brazilian retail chain Havan.
We did it boys, we have defeated imperialism

>>2881022
He was an anti semite?
Maybe I should actually read him

>>2881037
Yeah as much as Bakunin gets flack for his antisemitism, which was mostly limited to a few outbursts triggered by Marx and friends outmaneuvering him, Proudhon was a lot worse about it

>>2881049
Any particular texts highlighting this?

Still crazy to me this uygha was like praised during marxs time and is now a skidmark of history.
Shit this uygha is probably Hasan of his day

It's pronounced proo-dohn

>>2879582
>ultra
>labor power
i'm not an ultra and didn't mention labor power. as for the pic I am just retarded and copied the wrong thing from the booru. I meant to post this. I was commenting marginal utility

>>2879594
Oh, well, you should know that the idea that socialism is when every workers directly receives back the "value of their labor" is a proudhonist idea, and marx critiqued it himself

Workers sell thwir labor power, not labor, meaning they sell their potential to be performing any kind of labor. And the problem with capitalism is not merely that the capitalist skims off the top, but that this potentiality is subordinated to the irrational goal of reproducing capital itself, rather than anything else we could be doing

Thus the point is not that workers should "own the fruits of their labor" like some pwtty bourg producer.
When you expend labor it has already entered the sphere of social/common wealth, to say that you "ought to" own some part of it, your individual contribution, as an individual, is still liberalism. The point is to rationally organize the production process, politically.

the point of Das Kaptal is that it's a critique of political economy baka OP

>>2879595
So once again the point is to hope the ones in charge of "rationalizing" production don't end up giving themselves any advantage ?

>>2879595
I think you make a good point, but then it's hard to imagine anyone (save a handful of technocrats) really being an enthusiast for this. Many of the most enjoyable parts of capitalism are irrationalities in the production process, while many of the most dire parts are in fact rational efficiency savings. (e.g. that you can make a living drawing furry porn is "irrational" but good work if you can get it, while taylorism is so miserable that capitalists had to project it onto communism. and, tbf, AES states did embrace it.)

While theoretically one can imagine a world where we organise things so efficiently and so rationally that we only have to work a few hours a week, I think this is over-optimistic when one focuses on efficiency. We already live in a world where we could work but a few hours a week - if we'd accept being poorer in consequence. We can always work harder to be richer, so the most rational way to organise the production process can always appear to be an intensified version of the status quo…

>>2877370
Slopper stop slopping. Your text for the most part doesn’t even touch on artificial meat production other than mentioning it’s name. The rest is a weird tangent and arguments that are only applicable for modern day regular meat production. You didn’t even fucking try.

>>2877665
because taking plants and turning them into fake meat just adds a bunch of unnecessary processing steps. why would i eat shitty imitation sausages made out of plant protein when I could just eat peas?

>>2877696
>because taking plants and turning them into fake meat just adds a bunch of unnecessary processing steps.
We are talking about lab grown products, not highly processed plant based imitation products. Also, not every sort of imitation product has to be cost intensive or even highly processed you know?

This video is the second part of a discussion between John Bellamy Foster and Lynn Fries on Marx’s analysis of the dialectics of society and nature. One of Marx’s concerns was how manufacturers would extract soil nutrients, such as nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, use them to make products like fiber, and not return the chemicals to the soil but instead generate pollution. And then the clever capitalists would import guano to make synthetic fertilizers to restore the productivity of farmland.

>>2877709
lab grown meat is even stupider.