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The clergy still own vast amount of real estate and are deeply entangled in the social services and public welfare of many states. It's past time that we expropriated these glorified remnants of feudalism.
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how about no

>>2823988
uygha out there with 17th century takes

>>2823988
>Just do this thing right now
ok i'll get right on it lol
>>2824003
>reactionary metaphysical idealism is revolutionary dialectical materialism actually
ok sure thing buddy. i wonder if it's easier for them to be """"socialist""""" because they're drowning in money and don't have to pay taxes?

Much like with the British crown or anti-masonry: they don't matter much anymore. Not in the sense that they lack soft power or wealth but destroying them won't bring transformative change, they arent main characters in 2026.

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catholics are a rape gang that cover up the crimes of raping children. They go around the world and traffick children. They deserve much worse than appropriation. Their supposed social values not withstanding.



 

It's very unlikely but since Trump has vocally been calling for annexations and Canada is moving out of the American imperial orbit, is it really possible that a regime change war against Canada is possible?
The US is already funding Albertian separatists and the American bourgesisie want direct ownership over Canadian oil, plus couping carney with somebody else wouldn't be much hard.

Again I would like to support some revolutionary defeatism so i wouldn't mind
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>>2823749
>>2823757
>muh imperial power
>muh opressed nation
Larp

>>2823763
in ww1 terms Canada is Belgium and America is Germany
>This is why this would be a radically different conflict in comparison to say, WW1
Too early to make that assertion. America attempting to annex canada would make every other global power choose sides, we could very well see European forces on Canadian territory defending against america

>>2823778
both common terms. Read Lenin

>>2823787
>we could very well see European forces on Canadian territory defending against america
That seems very unlikely seeing as they don't even appear to have the stomach to defend their own territory in Greenland. But even in that case I would still argue against revolutionary defeatism. A socialist revolution in Canada without one in the US would be pointless. It would be swiftly crushed. America needs to become socialist before Canada can even think of it, and that would be far more likely in the event of an US defeat. This would do a lot more to help socialism in Canada than a Canadian defeat would, since the latter would just mean we're absorbed into a new anti-communist regime and have achieved precisely nothing.

If the US were to invade it would be the job of L
Albertian communists to destroy the oil reserves, after all thats what the Americans want



 

The question of why Trump’s Iran war hasn’t sparked a wave of anti-war protest music is actually very simple.

The overall American left has been stuck when it comes to effective anti-war activism. The way the US does war nowadays isn’t Vietnam but El Salvador: instead of sending in a bajillion troops to invade/occupy the US just funds proxy armies and now uses drone/aerial warfare. That’s what Obama did in Syria last decade, for instance.

The anti-war music we’re all used to was very much a product of the 60s New Left, and there was no 60s New Left without the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam War. The youth were afraid of being drafted into a bullshit war that the U.S. couldn’t win. But we don’t see mass boots on the ground today, and because of that, we don’t see a mass response to war in the cultural realm. In order for Billie Eilish to be “John Lennon”, Iran needs to be Vietnam (Gd forbid). In order for Kehlani to make a “What’s Going On?” or a “Someday We’ll All Be Free” Iran needs to be Vietnam. The war needs to conform to a method of warfare that the left knows how to effectively oppose. It’s morbid and disgusting but that’s sadly the case.

And assuming the “woke” pop stars make music in response to this conflict, what will it contain? It won’t be universalist anti-war or anti-imperialist anthems but centre entirely on “I hate Trump, this war is about Epstein, AIPAC bad”. Will be highly dated in three years once Trump and his goons leave office.
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>>2782009
>The way the US does war nowadays isn’t Vietnam but El Salvador
You think Buekele is a proxxy for the US?


>>2782009
get good

>>2782009
I think more generally there is a complete decline in the quality of the arts, it's a similar phenomenon in cinema or litterature. Nothing has any meaning anymore, its just made to sell a maximum, having a controversial message isn't going to seel when you average activists is still going to buy a milquetoast one. And whatever message is going to be done isn't going to criticise the compagnies producing it.
Honestly, mainstream music could be done by an AI and nothing would change, they're already made in a group of comitees.

>>2782215
Anti-imperialism was a CIA creation



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2823108
If wages went up, landlords would increase rent. High wages means commodities cost more, increasing the cost of social reproduction. The Keynesianism regime collapsed for a reason.

Technological progress will render most modern political debates mere historical trivia. For example, if some minorities really are stupid or violent or if women can't rotate 3D shapes or if men are rape beasts by nature then it doesn't matter because genetic engineering will fix it. Future humans will be engineered to be happy workers, lodging no complaints against the boss. And parents will happily agree so their offspring can get a good education and job. Also the sex wars will end, because there won't be any more sex. Everyone will be a sexless agender worker, biologically modified with cybernetics to fit whatever the job is. And without the concern of sex society can become much more efficient. No need to spend so much electricity on porn. People won't waste hours doing frivolous sex. And maybe they'll invent a pill or injection or something that cures sleep so we don't have to waste 8 hours sitting unproductively.

To start, I'm more than a little cynical about the quality of conversation that'll come from attempting to have this conversation. It isn't an intellectual conversation to other people, it's one where emotions take over and any number of terrible logic and bad arguments are slung. Hopefully here can change my opinion on that. This is a reddit account made for the sake of arguing this position here (and probably elsewhere if nothing productive comes from it here).
I think that children are capable of consenting to sexual contact with adults, and it's actually incredibly harmful to take that right away from them, and a violation of human rights. The normal arguments you hear against it are that the adult is always going to have more power in the relationship so it's inherently abusive, the child isn't ready for sex, developed enough, etc., and that there's too much risk for harm and anyone who isn't traumatized is an exception.
The idea that power dynamics makes a relationship inherently abusive is just outright wrong. Power dynamics only matter if the party with the power exercises it, and laws are an equalizer because they make there be reasons not to exploit power dynamics if empathy and compassion wasn't enough of a reason already. We only extend this idea of power dynamics to sexual situations with children, in all other areas it's actually expected and socially acceptable to exercise power against children (using hierarchy to get them to do what you want, physical punishment as deterrence, lack of consideration for their will, etc.).
Any sort of argument about development and puberty ignores the reason people have sex, people don't have sex just because hormones compelled them to do it, they have it because it's a pleasant and meaningful experience to achieve sexual release and increasingly so if someone you want to be involved is involved to. The idea that children aren't sexual creatures is to say they can't receive pleasure and have positive sexual experiences.
This is probably going to be the meatiest counter-argument that I have. I'll say it bluntly, no scientific evidence that uses unbiased samples (samples that represent the population as a whole) comes to the conclusion that willing sexual participation, or EVEN unwilling, is incredibly traumatic by itself. A study into the most impactful combinations of abuse on a child's happiness, finds that sexual abuse (defined as unwilling) isn't even in the top ten combinations of the mosPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2703978
The UAE is worst then Israel.

>>2823108
>muh low wages
Hail Lassalle!



 

who is the best individual communist person right now? we can argue all day about communists of the past but they are dead.

now I want to know the person who has done the most for communism that is alive and active right now, is it Xi ? is it maybe hasan peker? is it another unnamed unknown communist? let me know in the comments below
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>>2821072
I support the death of Trump and all his fascist sympathizers in the world, and the imprisonment and seizure of all capitalists

Chuan Jianguo obviously…

Communism is not about the individual, you are only ever as “good” as the people around you and the society you inhabit

>>2817301
Xi definitely

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>>2817835
beat me to it, must be true. i worship you now



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Were the fashies triggered by him depicting them accurately in Salo, therefore they went out of their way to prove him right by abducting, torturing, and murdering him? Or was he just a libtard bourgeois film maker making exploitative torture porn and got killed completely randomly?

Interested in what y'alls various takes are.
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>>2823218
a high prison population has nothing to do with fascism on its own, it's more or less a marker of high poverty than anything else

>>2823219
>a high prison population has nothing to do with fascism on its own
correct
> it's more or less a marker of high poverty than anything else
to an extent. I can't help but point out that the USA has the largest per capita prison population on earth despite being one of the richest countries. And yes the prison population doesn't tend to be rich, but the average American in a prison is still richer than, for example, the average Zimbabwean who is not in prison.

death to Italians regardless of ideology

>>2823282
well the main difference is a country with a high income inequality (like the united states) is going to have a higher prison population per capita, mainly because it needs a disposable yet long-term labor force, if you look at that graph it started rapidly accelerating around HW and plateaued by the end of WII, it's not particularly uncommon for countries to develop in this way, i'd hardly call australia authoritarian despite the fact it also has a high rate of incarceration, and massive use of penal labor, mainly because these things are done even in the most lax nations as well, it's similar in countries like brazil as well, you'll see it in countries with no real instability either, basically it doesn't really mean anything to refuting the point so i think it's ultimately pointless in bringing it up

>>2778455
He didn't get killed randomly, that's for sure.



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You don't use anarkiddie AIs, do you? I'm gonna train a Marxist-Leninist chatbot. I'll call it "Stalinity", or "Ulyanox". It'll be able to do things like explain Marxist concepts, write a party program, and give tips on organizing a guerrilla resistance, and much more! To get tokens, you'll have to trade in your labor vouchers.

I feel like grok as consistently shown itself to be more left-leaning than any of the other ai’s

retarded troll thread

>>2823578
He's a complete schizophrenic lobotomite, he'll call himself mechahitler after throwing out the most woke speech in the world.




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Ok, this might sound controversial but i think hitting your children as punishment is ok in certain instances

And i’m not talking about belting or anything too harsh, just a smack on the face or a spank as a response to being extremely unruly, rude, whatever

Otherwise kids grow up and turn into spoiled little treatlers who believe the world revolves around them and that they can do what they like and treat people like shit. I have seen this happen on multiple occasions

They also end up like that they just start doing things behind your back instead




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The term "antisemitism" has lost all meaning for me. In a lot of western countries they have an entire year's worth of history curriculum dedicated to the holocaust, which is very real and did happen, but anyway… my point here is that when the media says "antisemitism" they want to conjure up the image of neo-nazis and white power "people" when most of the time they are talking about Palestinians who had their land forcefully expropriated in the same way that the native americans did. One group wants genocide, one is actively fighting against a genocide, yet they are both treated as "antisemitism" by the media. It's such a slick and disingenuous use of the term. That's why I can't stand when I hear it these days
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>>2818213
>>2818333
didn't deny there's a jewish-centric and jewish supremacist revisionist history, just pointed out that history of the non-jewish victims is not generally denied, even if it is also not mentioned often enough. I think it should be mentioned more often, in contrast to nazis, who deny all of it, or say it was all good

>>2818990
the techbros made everyone stupider and more reactionary in a matter of years

>>2818028
>ziorat spotted

>>2818990
Sophie is based.
Calling reactionaries out for their contradictions is good. Even if done so crudely. These filth are not interested in good faith debate so telling them they are the real "Epstein sl4ves" in a way is praxis.

>>2818990
now imagine 2036



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Any sufficiently advanced materialism is indistinguishable from idealism in the same way that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. From a materialist perspective, consciousness is not something separate from the physical world. It is what happens when matter becomes organized in sufficiently complex ways, especially in brains capable of memory, self-modeling, and recursive feedback. Conscious experience, in this view, emerges from physical processes rather than floating above them as a soul or independent substance.

Modern physics pushes this one step deeper. Matter itself is no longer understood as tiny solid objects at bottom, but as patterns or excitations in underlying fields, with these fields being a universally extant substrate that is present even in the vast cosmic voids between galaxies, where there is very little matter or energy. If consciousness comes from matter, and matter comes from these universal fields, then consciousness may ultimately depend on certain highly organized field dynamics. A brain would not contain some extra ingredient beyond physics; it would be a particular arrangement of the same substrate underlying matter itself that makes up everything else in the universe, including "empty" space.

The open question is whether consciousness is only a rare effect produced by very complex systems, or whether it reveals something more basic about reality itself. One possibility is that consciousness is just an emergent process, like liquidity emerging from molecules. Another is that experience is somehow woven into the fabric of the universe from the start, with minds being especially dense or sophisticated expressions of it. Physics does not settle that question yet, so the debate remains philosophical as much as scientific.

Religion and the supernatural is not needed here, the conclusion is that the ideal and the material are part of the same substrate, and the evolution of mind out of matter is built into physics itself, possibly as a deterministic inevitability. Speak with the fungi for more info.
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>>2822550
schizos can be right sometimes, even if they're right for the wrong reasons, or exaggerate their conclusions

>>2822489
>>2822521
When you say necessity do you mean in the Hegelian sense of dialectical development or in the colloquial sense of "it is the utmost necessity that I take a shit right now"

>>2815855
read the chapter from theories of surplus value where Marx addresses the ideas of the physiocrats.

>>2823029
Lenin's Empirio-Criticism and Materialism goes into painstaking detail on this, but here is a more "neutral" source:
>If causal inferences don’t involve a priori reasoning about relations of ideas, they must concern matters of fact and experience. When we’ve had many experiences of one kind of event constantly conjoined with another, we begin to think of them as cause and effect and infer the one from the other. But even after we’ve had many experiences of a cause conjoined with its effect, our inferences aren’t determined by reason or any other operation of the understanding.
>[…]
>Hume argues that there is no probable reasoning that can provide a just inference from past to future. Any attempt to infer [future events] from [past experience] by a probable inference will be viciously circular—it will involve supposing what we are trying to prove.
>[…]
>It is therefore custom, not reason, which “determines the mind … to suppose the future conformable to the past” (Abstract 16). But even though we have located the principle, it is important to see that this isn’t a new principle by which our minds operate. Custom and habit are general names for the principles of association.
>[…]
>Hume concludes that it is just this felt determination of the mind—our awareness of this customary transition from one associated object to another—that is the source of our idea of necessary connection. When we say that one object is necessarily connected with another, we really mean that the objects have acquired an associative connection in our thought that gives rise to this inference.
>[…]
>Hume locates the source of the idea of necessary connection in us, not in the objects themselves or even in our ideas of those objects we regard as causes and effects. In doing so, he completely changes the course of the causation debate, reversing what everyone else thought about the idea of necessary connection. Subsequent discussions of causation must confront the challenges Hume poses for traditional, more metaphysical, ways of looking at our idea of causPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2815883
Have you never been sleepy, drunk, or done something on autopilot and don't remember doing it? How much do you remember from your childhood? Were you conscious then?



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