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Given the factors you would consider relevant within your region: local, national, surrounding geopolitical climate, etc… What policies could a party active in that region–currently existing or otherwise–work towards that both you would either agree with or critically support, and believe would be popular in said region?

Bonus:
  • What factors did you consider when answering the above?
  • Do you know of other regions with similar conditions, and would your answer be the same if you lived there? If not, why?

idk man but it wouldnt involve hentai posting

>>2839259
End the fucking war. That's what everyone needs here.

>>2839259
Keeping services up and running tbqh. Sick and tired of porkies turning into trillionaires while proles have to suffer austerity and cut services.



 

What is the likelihood of the contradictions of capitalism accelerating to such a bad extent that another American Civil War breaks out, specifically before 2030.

And if it were to happen, what would be the leading factions, would there be a revolutionary party disciplined enough to overthrow the capitalist class during the internal conflict, and also, would it just result in an even more extreme fascist takeover?

Has the Iran accelerated the process of civil war?
Is the 2028 election gonna result in civil war?
Will a economic crash happen before it?
Is Trump gonna attempt a self-coup on the government that causes a civil war?
How will the DSA, CPUSA, RCP, Antifa, Trade unions, etc react to it?

(Yes i know i used the socdem antisemtic professor for the video)
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>>2839854
So he’s a midwit who watches Handmaid’s tale, fucking awesome dude

asian jordan peterson

diddy

Highly unlikely, civil wars are always started by elites and there's no internal "barbarian army" that can take advantage. A civil war is not the only way a country can lose its hegemony, it can just go out with a whimper like the USSR or become less relevant like Britain.

>>2839978
Civil war is fun doe and maybe i can establish a trotskyist republic in califonia if it happens



 

What's the solution to the problem she explains in the video? The western left is not simply doomed but the problem posed by having a CIA approved version of marxism mudding the waters needs to be solved somehow.
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>>2840062
The proletariat are not the underclass of society lmao

>>2840064
please explain who is

>>2839352
>>2839354
>>2839357
>>2839362
>>2839364
The final boss of It's Not My Job to Educate You

>>2840075
"Lumpen nation" would imply that they live off the handouts of the "proletarian nations".

>>2840075
define "lumpen"



 

every major revolutionary or determinist marxist in history:
>the bourgeois/tsarist electorate is the most effective means of organizing the working class, serving as a megaphone, and even in potential victory laying the contradictions of the system bare.
every modern larpy communist org with 1500 members total which hasn't grown in 50 years and does nothing at all except sell pamphlets:
>noo you can't participate in elections that's hecking electoralism that's hecking revisionist
explain this?
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>>2838595
I think they're not mutually exclusive we should wage class war on all political fronts but we shouldn't have any illusions about individualism, mutual aid, unionism, reformism and parties, no one can emancipate labour other than labour itself, purity will only result in sectarianism and armchairism

>>2838595
Because the larpers know that participating in elections would actually be a clear metric that would show how disconnected they are from the working class when they get 0.5% of the vote lol.

If you notice, the larp and sect left never have concrete measurable goals for anything they do. Their whole modus operandi is diffusing ideology which literally can't be measured

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Nobody reads Lenin and everybody is a liberal.

See being a communist is not determined by "your beliefs" or by what you read, that's a liberal understanding. Being a communist is about your actions.
It doesn't matter if you're a theory buff, if you do not ACT communist then you are a liberal, that's hwhat.

Lenin tells you what TO DO and why to do it, it's the reason he's essential no-skip reading. Mao also helps with that. Log off and go do stuff, stop being a liberal NOW!

>>2839688
Ok? But if there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that is the only choice afforded to workers under capitalism then I may as well live as an apolitical normie but with the knowledge that the whole system is rigged.

>>2839688
>Lenin tells you what TO DO
No he doesn't. Reading Lenin literally without understanding his historical surroundings and the people he's debating will net you a bunch of contradictory and inapplicable positions



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https://www.marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1975/us-indochina.htm
>The American economy is geared to the world market, of which it requires an increasingly larger share as U.S. capital expands. If this share contracts — and it is bound to contract, should more nations turn away from the American-dominated world market towards a kind of "second world market" which restricts, or excludes, the exploitation of less-developed nations by the developed ones — it will force the internal American development into isolation and in the direction of a state-controlled economy.
Is this prediction basically in the process of being realized given the present conditions of multipolarity and the fact that the American economy has been running on state-subsidized tech bubbles? Does anyone have a statistical QRD of this tendency at hand?



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Third worldism taught us that oppressed nations can become oppressors once they snatch a seat at the imperial table. Poles were once white negroes. Now NATO uniforms wash away solidarity. Marx exalted them. Today, the city of COMECON friendship kisses the Pentagon's boot and calls it sovereignty. Yesterday's revolutionary becomes today's border guard.

What is to be done with Poles and other Volkerabfaelle?
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Liquidate the "Polish" people (made up nationality and fake culture) and have the Belarusians annex the territory as reparations for funding the Belarusian libtards.

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>>2839542
>artificial border between poland and russia
of all the insults aimed at ruthenia this one is my new favorite
>>2839460
guess who's made up and fake now

They're attention whores. Ignore them. It's that simple.

>>2839460
sorry lithuanian, you WILL get polish propaganda in your country and you WILL be part of the PNWO



 

I wrote this article on "Dare To Struggle", a front group for the "Organization of Communist Revolutionaries", itself a splinter group of the RCP (Bob Avakian's cult). There is basically nothing on the group on the internet besides its own posts and websites, I decided to change that. Notable things they've done are threatening to kill other leftist groups for being liberals (despite doing materially the same things as them) and somehow never getting in trouble for them, praising the Shining Path more than any other communist group that actually beat the capitalists in their country, and general retardation and LARPing. Would be interested in seeing what other people think about this group.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dare_To_Struggle_-_Organization_of_Communist_Revolutionaries
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>>2839586
He deleted his post, but Im pretty sure it was him, with his tripcode n everything. Talking the usual stuff trying to get people to write for his mag. Don't know if he posted anything since then

>>2839596 (me)
Just looked it up, this was about 3 days ago in /ISG/. He has not posted since then, but his last non deleted post is from around a week ago.

>>2839579
no one on /leftypol/ was stupid enough to donate to houdini; if anyone did it was just houdini funneling money to himself to fake it.

>>2839606
>the website where users fall for the most obvious bait and LLM slops posts all the time

2839606

Didn’t Houdini and that Juche posters account both post threads the same week with CashApp links? Lol. The feds aren’t that sharp, though. What’s way more likely than North Korean super-meth soldiers is just a handful of burned out leftists hooked on crystal, trying to scrape together cash so they don’t end up fully homeless. Cops aren't always the most creative, so they see that and go, “Yep, possible kingpin".



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Look, I used to be deep in the third internationale scene, councilcoms, leftcoms, NEP diehards, the whole united front of 3rd internationalist trash. Spent years on barricades in bavaria that went nowhere but to long jail terms and isolated comrades, who piss workers off.

Here's what nobody wants to say these movements don't actually want liberation. They want perpetual grievance. They'll talk about establishing a socialism in one country blah fucking blah but have you noticed how these never seems to include any plan for what happens after? How the only solution they offer is the destruction of the only social democracy in the region? Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would.

I'm just saying, i know the weimar regime is fucked, and yes social-democracy has a bad history, but ask yourself who benefits when the left fragments into a dozen purity spirals. Ask yourself why "build the productive forces" gets chanted louder than any concrete demand for soviet power or negotiated production. the third internationalists want open borders in the west but hard authoritarian borders in any region that acts as a hostile force to the west. Some of us are tired of romanticizing resistance that only ever produces more corpses and chauvinist nationalism.

you idiots want to come to terms with reality start by admitting your heroes are running a dangerous disgusting grift.

Yeah no shit lol. Career loonies love to go to normal one issue protests with a soviet flag making us all look stupid.

Just dumb it down, take the method of the right say shit like we will make sure you get more money, addressing climate change will make more jobs and more money. Take the slurs the capitalists use against migrants and use landlord specific slurs instead.

Keep it short and sweet no ten thousand hours of 19th century theory.

>>2839098
I know the post this is referencing lol

>Spent years on barricades in bavaria
>barricades
>in Bayern
Ahahahahaha, cool story bro
>Succdems bad, BUT…
>please don't support actual communists because they're losers i swear
>Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would
comedy gold

kys lib



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How do communists prevent capital flight? It seems like the capitalists will make the economy scream if you organize trade unions and put socialists in power. I suppose sanctions are a similar issue at a larger scale if you've smashed the state.
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>>2839422

literal Nazism.

>>2839369
Through incentives for foreign capital. They will not care if you give them good deal. and national capital cannot fly away because the conditions of profitability it's in the nation. If no revolution they prolly going to fund psyop, opposition, corruption, etc rather than just leave

>>2839431
4e you give them low taxes for 30 years plus other bonuses in exchange for local investment and local acquisition of shit and local funding of R&D and university and shit like that through a government promotion of some stupid bullshit

explain what you mean by prevention

>>2839422
Their argument was easier when property was mostly a physical thing, but the digitization of the economy has made this no longer the case; it's much harder to confiscate the latter than the former. Plus you have few options if your "skilled" labor force decides to emigrate (what are you going to do, create another iron curtain? Forget the impact on public opinion, it didn't work before and won't work now, but even if it did it would require a tiny country with a totalitarian regime like NK - aka not socialism at all, but Bonapartism), or when you need goods that require access to the international market (again, autarky doesn't work - even NK is dependent on China and Russia to access goods), the creation of a black market that undermines your official one, or just simply if you face foreign pressure in the form of sanctions, a denial of credit, or other means of financial isolation. This is why the need for an international coalition in order to overthrow an international system and move beyond it becomes apparent: history doesn't move backwards.



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Why does the left not focus on cooperativization rather than nationalization of industries? If we did manage to replace every company with a cooperative, would that not still be some kind of proto-Socialist position, albeit with markets still intact?
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>>2835115
This is called a smychka

>>2835129
>>2835130
>the value of a political theory lies in how many revolutions the theoretician personally started
by this logic the CIA is the ultimate revolutionary theorist since they have started hundreds of color revolutions.

Hi, guys

I would like to ask you guys to go to EU Inc. proposal page in "Have your say" portal to ask Commission to include cooperatives in their regulation. Here is all you need to know why that's important and to make it easier for you to write your feedback and provide sources too, anyway two studies (1)(2) commissioned by EU identified these problems with the existing SCE (European cooperative society) regulation:

1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital

2. Complicated registration procedures since all 27 member states have their own ways to register SCEs, frequently goverment institutions have no idea how to do it, for example one study references a situation where registration took a whole year, and there is no mechanism to notify other member states then SCE is registered in one state

3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countries which is arbitrary because all member state citizens are automatically EU citizens so it just needlessly makes it harder to register one

4. Little reason to use SCE legal form then national cooperative forms are much more convenient and can be used to operate cross-borders anyway and little knowledge and visibility that SCEs eve exist

Now proposed EU Inc. regulation would fix LITERALLY all of the problems mentioned above because:

1. It has very low capital requirement, so far the proposal only asks for 100 euros i.e. 300 times less than to set up a SCE
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This is a neat thread, do it again

>>2834694
>markets still intact
"Markets" is just another euphemism for capitalism. So called "coops" under capitalism are not what the name suggests as differences to other types of private commercial businesses such as shareholding are in practice miniscule and merely formal. In order to not get crushed by commercial market competitors privately owned "coops" must generate revenue, transform goods and products into commodities, accumulate capital and constantly expand just like any other capitalist. After a certain time however an operative threshold is reached and the effects of the falling rate of profit might kick in noticably, making maintaining revenue & growth more difficult. So in order to stay in business private commercial coops are bound to employ the usual bourgeois methods that is degrade product quality while the price is increased, cut r & d costs, degrade working conditions, cut wages of employees and "invest" in imperialist activities of the bourgeois state.
A "nationalized" coop under socialism or communism works entirely different, because socialist and communist economies are based on demand, not on the desire of bourgeois individuals to limitless hoard while preventing others from accessing and distributing resources for common purposes most efficiently.
"More coops" is pseudo-socialist liberal hogwash, it will change nothing substantially as the capitalist mode of production remains untouched.



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