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Canada has declared a recession

>>2829773
So how fucked are we?

>>2829818
idk but apparently we're the only one in the G7 to have one.



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3 questions divide the Marxists from the Liberals
>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
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>Neither person belong to the proletariat. The gourmet chef is an artisan and the shop owner is petty bourgeois.
>No, Native Americans do not have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup. Existing indigenous peoples can be afforded certain rights based on the continuity of their culture, but genetics is irrelevant to this.
>Capitalist society is largely an improvement over pre-capitalist society in material terms, but more importantly it is a progressive *development* of society in the Hegelian sense.

Don’t care, die, and fuck ofd

>>2827977
>Unless you think Marx was not a Marxist.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm

>The materialist conception of history has a lot of them nowadays, to whom it serves as an excuse for not studying history. Just as Marx used to say, commenting on the French "Marxists" of the late [18]70s: "All I know is that I am not a Marxist."

>>2829737
I love this quote because it's Marx saying "those uyghas so retarded I renounce myself to not be associated with them"

>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
Both if they are class consciouss
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
No
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
True



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Vietnam has a smaller public sector than the United States and they are Pro-America, Pro-Israel, and Anti-China in their foreign policy. I have no idea how after America nearly committed genocide in your country you can put them over fellow socialist states, they will condemn America when it does something shitty but never act on it, they are practically just Spain, Norway, or Ireland when it comes to foreign policy. I know that China is also shitty when it comes to foreign policy and stuff too but they are at least technically Anti-America.
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It’s gonna be really funny when the communist revolution overthrows the communist party because of gas shortages

>>2829088
I think selling drugs is a bit different than robbing banks anon.

>>2829056
>Idk man, maybe because the Soviet Union failed to sufficiently support them when a genocidal war was being waged against them?
The USSR provided them with tons of support and the two countries remained close allies afterwards wtf are you on about?

>>2796607
>What is socialist sovereignty supposed to look like in this region?
Common waters administrated by a soviet of peoples coming from the region.

>>2829723
everybody is already claiming it's their regions,SSRs would still fight over it



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2823099
>>2823600
The kids will never fuck you, brotatonator.

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>>2704023
You are spiritually Israeli.

>>2827826
reactionary

>>2828066
If that’s the case libtard, why do pedophobes claim that the AoC should exist because minors are just sooooo easy peasy to get laid with? What difference would the AoC make if I don’t have the ability to seduce minors as you say?

Either you or them can be true, not both

>>2792061
I don't agree but a funny factoid is that the nazis thought interracial laws of the usa, also known as one drop policies, were too extreme, so while I don't really agree, hitler def was an ameriboo



 

The cults of personality of 20th century communism were a mistake, though perhaps unavoidable. The emergence of pronounced cults of personality in several 20th-century socialist states can be understood as a historical misstep rather than an inherent feature of Marxist theory. Stalin himself denounced this in his interview with Feuchtwanger, and some personal letters. The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, as developed within Marxism, refers to the collective rule of the working class organized through its institutions. In practice, however, this principle was often conflated with the authority of individual leaders such as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Kim Il Sung. This conflation obscured the distinction between class power exercised through mass participation and the symbolic centrality of particular historical figures.

This development did not arise in a vacuum. Many of the societies in which socialist revolutions succeeded were shaped by predominantly peasant populations, relatively low levels of literacy, and recent histories of feudal or semi-feudal rule. In such contexts, political authority had long been associated with monarchs, emperors, or strongman figures. It is therefore unsurprising that revolutionary movements, even when grounded in collective and egalitarian ideals, were interpreted through familiar cultural patterns that emphasized personal leadership. The elevation of revolutionary figures into near-mythic symbols can be seen as a byproduct of these conditions rather than a deliberate theoretical aim.

Recognizing this helps clarify that the issue was not simply the presence of influential leaders, but the tendency to substitute their personal authority for the organized, conscious activity of the working masses. A more consistent application of proletarian rule would emphasize institutions, education, and participation over symbolic identification with individuals. Understanding the historical roots of these personality cults allows for a more grounded assessment of past socialist experiences without reducing them to caricature or dismissing their broader social and economic transformations.
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>>2798819
The party and the people wanted to keep his body, what I think trumps his personal desires on the matter. Happy May Day.

>>2798819
there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him

>>2798799
OP's post might lowkirkenuinely be LLM generated but if you disagree with it your still a crypto-sorelian tbh

They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice

>>2799025
>LLM generated
source was provided for the Feuchtwanger interview
>lowkirkenuinely
is this some kind of word filter
>>2798832
>there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him
lol
>>2799181
>They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice
stalin says it's both if you read the feuchtwanger interview



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Not gonna bother defining "leftist" cause it's a stupid conversation. Just talking about stuff where you'll hear someone who agrees with you politically say something and instantly think "this guy is not the same as me".

Here's my examples
>Being religious
>Is against violent opposition to fascists
>Anti-gun
>"You know tucker carlson and fuentes have some good points"
>Thinks opposing israel is more important than opposing capitalism
>Likes candace owens or any rightoid commentator
>Watches hasan or any twitch streamer
>Gets oddly defensive if you say "we should kill fascists" or anything like that
>Weirdly defensive of trump or really any world leader
>Likes modern day russia
>Supports ukraine
>Unironically complains about wokeness
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>>2829416
Leninists, I respect them and give conditional support for their advocacy of national liberation and anti imperialism but it's just state capitalism with the false promise that they're somehow building socialism while the actual proletariat has little to no agency.

There are no fake leftists, but there are fake communists.

People who shill for Demonrats (the lengths so many amerikkkana on this board are going to in order to defend Graham "I love killing brown people and getting Nazi tats" Platner is insane).

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>Is a pedophile
I promise you Beria was a much better and relevant leftist than you or anyone after 1968 bro.(USER ALREADY BANNED)

>>2829416
Broadly: has a personality type at odds with that of the broad swathe of leftists and liberals.
Any specific policy position runs into the problem that most people don't think that hard about policy and may have different psychological motivations for arriving at their stupid opinions. A socdem who is kind of passively anti-transgender because they think it loses elections is typologically a socdem with a stupid opinion, which is broadly of the leftish-type, while a much better read socialist may still be a fake leftist if they're clearly obsessed with hating transhumanists to the detriment of their socialism. (e.g. typologically they are anti-transgender with incidental socialist views)
If this is too contentious, consider guns: a socdem who is anti-gun because guns hurt people is clearly left-liberal, a socialist who is pro-gun because they see it as necessary to bring about radical social change is clearly leftist too, while a "socialist" who is pro-gun because they have intense fantasies of shooting everyone who ever wronged them is a nutter who is very likely to be won over by the right's greater indulgence of that fantasy.

In big-5 terms, you are very likely to be a "fake leftist" if you are all of these:
>low openness
>low agreeableness
>low neuroticism
with openness being the single most important trait (it's hard to want to upend the status quo if you hate new things), followed by agreeableness (leftism is, after all, wanting nice things…), then neuroticism. (this one's more statistical: a lot of leftists and liberals want leftist and liberal policy because it provides security, and they identify their neurotic tendencies with an external cause in the economic/social system. this is also why liberals trend left in reality, because as their specific social issues no longer serve as an adequate explanation for why they feel the way they do, they intellectualise it further and go "It must be the entire social and economic system, Marx was right!")

These things are also relative by country. That is to say, in the developing world a socialist may be low on all 3 of those traits by first-world standards (because of a more generally conservative society etc), but he will be relatively high on thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>>2826164
Abolish private property, money and wage labor

>Testifying before the Royal Commission on Antisemitism and Social Cohesion, which is investigating the spread of antisemitism in Australia ahead of the Dec. 14 attack at Bondi Beach, New South Wales Police Deputy Commissioner David Hudson described a firepower imbalance.

>The police force has responded with a plan to establish an Armed Response Command, equipped with semiautomatic rifles, and by reviving a priority-resourced operation that focused on antisemitic crimes and retaliations against Muslim targets, Hudson said.


i don't understand. so they're creating a force solely to attack muslims for anti-semitism?

https://apnews.com/article/australia-bondi-shooting-antisemitism-inquiry-sydney-4d621f5b57feee7ba98f08a67f0e2769

>>2826164
We're even importing Indian academics to tell us that we need to offshore more jobs to India.

>>2826164
Right wingers and the capitalists should go to offshore camps, instead of migrants.

Capitalism and petit bourgeois ideology has poisoned the minds of this country. Australia is too middle class, and because the middle class society is collapsing, people are turning to the far right.

Things like superannuation breed petite bourgeois ideology [Fuck Hawke and Keating].




 

The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.

>What is the difference between:

>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?

Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.

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>>2825634 (me)
I found a very useful text that elucidates some things in regards my question.
>Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR with Mao Zedong’s Commentaries
https://foreignlanguages.press/product/economic-problems-of-socialism-in-the-ussr-with-mao-zedongs-commentaries-joseph-stalin/
https://foreignlanguages.press/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/C33-Economic-Problems-in-the-USSR-1st-Printing.pdf

<Stalin:

>1. Character of Economic Laws Under Socialism
>Some comrades deny the objective character of laws of science, and of laws of political economy particularly, under socialism. They deny that the laws of political economy reflect law-governed processes which operate independently of the will of man. They believe that in view of the specific role assigned to the Soviet state by history, the Soviet state and its leaders can abolish existing laws of political economy and can “form,” “create,” new laws. These comrades are profoundly mistaken. It is evident that they con- fuse laws of science, which reflect objective processes in nature or society, processes which take place independently of the will of man, with the laws which are issued by governments, which are made by the will of man, and which have only juridical validity. But they must not be confused.
>Marxism regards laws of science—whether they be laws of natural science or laws of political economy—as the reflection of objective processes which take place independently of the will of man. Man may dis- cover these laws, get to know them, study them, reckon with them in his activities and utilize them in the interests of society, but he cannot change or abolish them. Still less can he form or create new laws of science.
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>>2767836
>Alberto Fujimori, a Japanese capitalist
Fujimori was born and raised in Peru, and grew up in the Peruvian Catholic Church. He's a product of Peruvian capitalism.

theyre all trash ideas anarchism, maoism, jucheism are all just third world simping cults. theyve all synthesized into one idea or movement with one goal destroy the west. just stick to the dsa

>>2767848
Death to the United States*
From the ashes shall emerge a truly pan-American state.

>>2828287
>You completely miss the forest for the trees. That is only true from a narrow and partial aspect of what's at play here. It's forgetting Stalin's simultaneous perspective that class struggle were to be "over" after the liquidation of the kulaks and some cloistered intraparty purges, isolated from the wider populace. These political mistakes blahblahblah The entire point is for these collective farms to be temporary and then made state-run with time as the state matured and became capable.
That is exactly Stalin's position? The farms aren't yet properly integrated into the plan. There is still buying and selling between the farms and the state and so labor values continue to regulate things behind peoples' backs to some extent.



 

Wage/consumption taxes are the best kind of taxes under capitalism because they incentivize the state to keep workers well paid. Property taxes just encourage the state to invest in resource extraction. Bureaucrats simply cannot embezzle money for their treats if taxes are derived from the wages of the workers and workers are not well paid. Furthermore, the state nationalizing enterprises is counterproductive because it directly transforms the state into being a capitalist instead of just being bribed by capitalists. You may not like it, but the best state under global capitalism runs purely off of wage taxes and has no public industry.
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>>2813897
Intellectual monopoly rent is cancerous rent seeking anyhow.
>>2813900
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/housing-question
A monopoly on land is no different from a monopoly on a better kind of production. Commercial landlords are still department 1 and should not be taxed.

>>2813900

Listen I wouldn't bother arguing because its very clear from >>2813901 that the guy posting doesn't understand what a land rent is or what land value taxes are.

Its not even that he didn't read volume 3 on differential rent or even ricardo; Guy hasn't even read the Communist Manifesto basic programme.

>>2813892
games aren't on disks and cartridges anymore.

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>>2813934
not an argument

>>2813542
To increase the power of the trade unions, you also want to drive up investment/employment and drive down the cost of labor.

Consequently, free trade and public housing are essential. Trade protectionism just drives up the wages of the workers and prevents investment/employment/exploitation. You also want to keep the labor market liquid by disincentivising homeownership.



 

What does Althusser mean by the statement that ideology does not have a history? And what does he mean by stating that ideology is fundamentally a social relation; is this part of his "return to Marx"?

Also, opinions on Ideology and Ideology State Apparatus

>>2829192
Ideological state apparatus*

Let me guess, none of you cunts have actually read this

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm

When you speak of something at a high level of abstraction, that is, without the details of this or that historical period, your explanation is "timeless" (or rather, it is applicable over a longer period compared to explanations full of specifics).



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