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Can we get a Neocon breadpill thread going?

What exactly was Neoconservatism and how exactly did it originate? Was it the philosophy of Leo Strauss? Was it former Trotskyists like Irving Kristol? If so, why did these ex-Trots flip and become right-wingers? Politically, it started in America with the Reagan presidency, so what exactly were Reagan's political influences? Also, given that its biggest proponents were Jews, did it have any Talmudic or Kabbalistic element to it?

Basically, sum up whatever Neoconservatism is. Also, Straussian Neocons formed coalitions with the Religious Right and free market neoliberals despite all three groups having contradictory ideologies. Why?
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>>2829519
Someone needs to ask Jenny what she thinks of the recent woke Odyssey adaptation featuring Helen of Detroit.

>>2832517
NTA but iirc its the its just a term for the ideas espoused by Thomas Aquinas

>>2832301
>They rely on Thomism not Greek and Roman shit
Aquinas was an Aristotelian…

>>2866521
What part of Africa is Detroit in?

>>2830921
anon never read or watched the thing lol. your effort was wasted



 

Real question, how many of you adhere neatly to one ideology? I think everybody vibes with a particular tendency, but personally I'm totally happy to steal good ideas from across ideological lines. I definitely think there's an optimal way to achieve a leftist society as well, however if someone implements another plan to get us there that doesn't fuck others over, I don't see myself being too upset so long as we get where we're going.

Just asking because I see people engage in never-ending theory battles online, as well as discounting the contributions of leftists of other tendencies. It seems so strange to me, like instead of acknowledging the good work others have done, while maintaining your own critiques for how to do it better, it seems more in vogue to treat other ideologies as fakes designed to waste your time and meet them with hostility.

I mean obviously this is the internet, people are constantly cranked up to 11, trolling, or genuinely suffering from untreated mental illness. But it seems to me that we're seeing a massive resurgence in leftist thought and action, so I figured people would exercise a little discipline to make the most of the moment. Tbf, this could all be crazy people, bots, government psyops, and algorithmic manipulation. I've just seen people I genuinely appreciate engage in the same shit, so there has to be some element that's real.
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>>2862436
ok based also I think people are too concerned with being "dogmatic" when in reality the only thing that can keep afloat in the most difficult moments of the struggle is unwavering trust in your core beliefs
>If you wish, I can provide you with some Marxist texts to read so that you may immunize yourself against the opportunism fostered by the hegemony of liberal ideas in today's capitalism.
pls go ahead

>>2865619
hello ᴉuᴉlossnW

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>>2858713

>listen to morons


Perhaps I should be clearer. I am saying to listen to literally everyone. Everyone. Even those who we would line up against a wall. This is for the sole purpose of learning how to mind-fuck them even better because this is the age of psychological warfare and we should be doing that more often.

I'm not wrong here, am I?


>>2867106
youre trying to pass off vibes and aura as anything but a waste of fucking time. you could simply learn to analyze and study the material world scientifically instead of this shit, lol. the whole criticism of ideology is that it inherently masks how real life actually works



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lmaooo

>>2866771
I respected him more during his nazi days

>>2866771
was this guy just a long term fed op to funnel nazis back into the neocon establishment?

>>2866952
He was more the victim of said fedop if anything.

>>2865566
>RAPE LINDSEY GRAHAMS DEAD BODY
a dead body can neither consent or withhold consent, except through a last will and testament perhaps



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Do you use algorithmic platforms like YouTube, X, Instagram, Xiaohongshu, etc.?

Objectively speaking, these are the most powerful and widespread brainwashing technologies currently in existence. Precisely because this here is a highly ideological forum, I wonder why this topic isn't being discussed here at all. You don't consume traditional mainstream media, yet you let X and YouTube dictate what you see and rewire your brain? And quite apart from that, the scale of algorithmic manipulation is not even remotely comparable to traditional media like television or newspapers. Are you even aware of what you're doing? Why do you think X and YouTube are banned in countries like China?
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* good to see some self-liberating comr8s in these replies.

>>2865718
>I'm tired…
preach sister, preach.
its the same people that convinced themselves/were convinced in school that mathematics is useless for life anyway and thus a waste of time.
now the same people talk about 'algorithms', 'AI' etc. and deem information technology some kind of mystical idol that makes things happen via magic.

>>2865712
bro asked the AI to tell him why he's right LMFAO

>>2864941
I never click youtube recommendations I just search for what i want. i am in fact immune to propaganda. my brain and penis are both huge

>>2865718
>>2865724
>dooood a simple "sort by last bump" is the same as social media using neural networks to guess what you want to see next
lmfao are you retarded, retarded (autistic) or just disingenuous to pretend only your personal definition of a colloquial term is the only valid one



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>responsible for the success of the bourgeois revolutions
>responsible for the success of socialist revolutions
Why are peasants so fucking based??

>nooo it was because of the intellectuals!

These eggheads would have done SHIT on their own.
>nooo the bourgeois revolution succeeded because of the bourgeoise!
They are like Americans who swoop in in the last minute to reap the rewards.
>nooo the socialist revolution succeeded because of the proletarians!
Same mistake.

I think the lord’s right to the first night simply does something to a uygha. You can’t get cucked for this long without turning into King Von.
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>>2866034
we will be again soon enough if anyone survives the next couple decades

There were three reasons the bourgeoisie gained power and the peasantry didn't even make the top ten.
>Number 3: Double account bookkeeping.
>Number 2: The check, bill & the letter of exchange enabling settlement cycles.
>Number 1: The manufacture and proliferation of the firearm and training manuals which enabled autonomous zones inside cities (aka burgers) 🍔🍔🍔 They even talk about this in the Communist Manifesto lol!

>>2865938
Because they were the most numerous?

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>I think the lord’s right to the first night simply does something to a uygha.

that shit was mostly fake thoughbeit and used by lords as propaganda towards one another

only girugamesh in the epic did it, and he was confronted for it by giga enkidu

>>2866006
>in North/South America there was even a few instances where slaves sided with the monarchy against the bourgeoisie.
MONBOL GANG



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If you don't talk about OIL you think the recent wars are about "security" or "nationalism" or "anti imperialism" then you are a fed who defends the US oil industry by distracting from what's actually going on.

So let's talk OIL. World oil consumption is now 103 mbd (million barrels/day). This number is expected to peak in 2030 and depending on decarbonization scenarios, it could decline to between 50 mbd and 80 mbd by 2050.

Now take a good look at the oil production by countries. And look at the reserves.

What does all this tell you? It tells us that oil revenues and profits are going to tank in the coming 20 years. And oil is one of the last major profit centers in capitalism.

It's not a coincidence that major oil producers like Iran, Russia, USA, Gulf, Venezuela are all the major players in recent geopolitical upheavals. This is not a world war. This is a war specifically between oil producers trying to expand marketshare in a world of shrinking oil demand and profits.

Now there's another crucial aspect to consider here - that is the cost of production. The Gulf can produce oil cheaper than anywhere else in the world, while US and Venezuela oil needs prices to remain above $60 to be profitable.

Now can you connect the dots? In a shrinking oil world, it's the Gulf/Iran that will win out at the end by being the last remaining oil producing area that can produce profitable at very low prices. The US/Venezuela will have to sell at near cost to have any marketshare, and that's assuming they're still able to have any marketshare at all.

But the US and Gulf are mostly allies so instead of fighting each other, they've decided to neutralize the Iranian and Russian oil industry. This achieves the common benefit of both sides maintaining their marketshare while keeping prices high which benefits both US/Venezuela and Gulf.
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>>2866798
That's until 2024

>>2866933
they'll keep doing it despite the current administration's attempt to boost oil production. there's an inherent tension between "Oil is expensive enough to be profitable" and "oil is cheap enough people will use it instead of renewables". if prices are too low, producers disappear. if prices are too high, consumers disappear. the only way to thread that needle is outright cash subsidies for oil. (which they get to some extent, but nowhere near enough to balance things out.)

if you set the US aside for one moment, the most remarkable thing in the world is the gigantic explosion in solar capacity in the developing world. the US can afford to be dumb, but when poor countries want electricity they don't even bother with conventional power plants anymore. (even then, the vast majority of newly added electrical capacity in the US today is solar + storage, and the single biggest solar producer is red-state Texas, and solar generated more power than coal for the first time in 2026 despite Trump also being pro-coal.)

>>2866950
Yes, oil is essentially cooked, that's the point. It will decrease in both volume sold, price sold and above all, profit made. That's why all the recent wars are involving oil producers. They're all fighting for disappearing marketshare and profits.

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>>2867082
schizo graph. can't even figure out what it means.



 

What do you think of them?
A lot of people on this board hate them for their supposedly inherent "Bourgeois" or "Petit bourgeois" elements but: 1. many of them are carried out by leftist orgs against military dictatorships or otherwise tyrannical governments, 2. Ignore the revolutionary potential of such movements and how the proletarian of the imperialistic nation can cooperate with the proletariat of the seceeding nation and result in a defeat for the former nation's bourgeoisie and their imperialistic power
  1. Even if they had beorgeois elements, Some nations such as kurds in Turkey historically or Kashmiris presently have been subjected to so much oppression and their position so unstable and tenouos that it's more important to advocate for their independence rather than let them be subjected to further oppression for the sake of barely tenable idealist principles

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>>2864674
Differences in language make economic participation harder


>>2864631
The PKK and that whole side of Kurdish politics very famously renounced separatism, anon.

All CIA plants to hamper the development of the productive forces.

>>2866129
>muh brodugdiv vorzez
Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa are all more developed than England was when Marx wrote Capital. How many more centuries do you need?



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It seems to me that the most popular political position these days is some form of developmentalist national liberalism. Most people would like a strong but democratic state to intervene in the economy to eliminate the worst excesses of capitalism, direct investment to promote employment growth and modern industry, and generally avoid imperialist meddling or international entanglements. These kinds of positions were very popular in the 1950s and 60s, and people on the street are generally agreeable towards them.

So why do today's ideological arguments not reflect this? Why is everyone cosplaying as a fascist or a communist when their policy positions remain fundamentally liberal? Why are people turning to Sorel or Stalin for theory and not Nehru or Nasser? Why is liberalism constantly disparaged as bankrupt or illegitimate when all the alternatives to it end up looking exactly the same?
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>>2864696
> The best realistic scenario I can see is the decentralisation of power to a more local level so that (a) it's easier for leftists to obtain it and (b) each area can experiment and see what works in their specific circumstances or make the trade-offs they desire, and other areas can learn from their experiences.
socialism in one municipal district

>>2864742
You remain wrong. Puppet agents of finance capital exist in all countries on the periphery of capitalism. For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty. However, for this to be done, there is no agreement to be made with the bourgeoisie; therefore, state-owned enterprises must be used so that technology is democratized in a country that is under the control of capitalists who use blackmail against countries that do not have technological sovereignty. The solution is the use of state capitalism with state-owned enterprises competing against capitalists; this will facilitate democratization to prepare for the socialist revolution in a revolutionary situation.

This follows what Engels and Marx wrote:

<(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.


<Frederick Engels, 1847, The Principles of Communism


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

As for what to do if the petty bourgeoisie wishes to nationalize something or propose taxes, the Marxist position is not to be a lackey to deliver property into the hands of capitalists nor to defend them:

<2. They must drive the proposals of the democrats to their logical extreme (the democrats will in any case act in a reformist and not a revolutionary manner) and transform these proposals into direct attacks on private property. If, for instance, the petty bourgeoisie propose the purchase of the railways and factories, the workers must demand that these railways and factories simply be confiscated by the state without compensation as the property of reactionaries. If the democrats propose a proportional tax, then the workers must demand a progressive tax; if the democrats themselves propose a moderate progressive tax, then the workers must insist on a tax whose rates rise so steeply that big capital is ruined by it; if the democrats demand the regul
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>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports
If the workers have the world have united, where the fuck are imports coming from? Mars?!
The rest is just wishcasting. If you think that Air New Zealand has the bourgeoisie seething because it's an SOE (which incidentally furnished the country's current leader) you're delusional. If you think state ownership leads to the "democratisation of technology" just like that, you're delusional. (Quite famously one of the few good things to come out of privatisation is that waiting times for landline installation fell from 6 months to about 1 week max.) There is no inherent reason to assume state employees are benevolent. In practice public services are just as prone to empire building and cover-ups as private sector ones.
(This, incidentally, is why I am a fan of decentralisation. I am not some market dogmatist who thinks that the private sector should run all bus services, but I do think that each local area should commission the services it needs via a local council sufficiently close to the public that you can personally know someone with some decision making power. It is pointless having a national bus company subject to "democratic oversight" by an MP who also represents 80,000 other people, or to have a russian-doll system where you have to complain to your block leader, who reports to a councillor, who reports to a regional leader, who reports to a national MP, who maybe reports to the bus committee…)

Governments choose to issue public debt and do not, as a general rule have austerity enforced upon them when they are spending within their actual capacities. The last time the UK ran a surplus was in 2001, France hasn't run one since 1974, USA 2001, Germany 2019, Portugal 2025, China 2007, Indonesia 2000, Brazil 2013, Chile 2022. Greece is an unusual exception, but behaved profligately by any standard and found itself bullied by other Euro member states rather than international markets. There are only a handful of countries in the world worse off today than they were in 1980. Your just-so story about "becom[ing] a deindustrialized colony without control of any technology for the export of raw materials" is just total nonsense - most of the gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2865023
>Plants require humans, but the global share of industrial workers has stayed consistent […]
That's true to an extent but this is also because of the poor state that industries are in. Compare to China's manufacturing sector and you see that, although automation has replaced many workers, it has also created new fields for engineers alongside new jobs in more technical plants for workers.

>you cannot say the sector as a whole has declined just because you don't like its compositional changes

The composition does matter because when people complain about deindustrialization, they're complaining about losing sovereignty, losing regional jobs, losing low-skill high-value gigs and lastly losing technological savoir-faire (and the jobs that go alongside it)
More over, the general claim on deindustrialization is that it made the nation loose its economic sovereignty. It made unions powerless and stripped the state out of an effective investment potential.

>Most European countries are better off today than they were before "Deindustrialisation

You need to compare to the potential we lost rather than the state we had

> I do not consider healthcare to be welfare spending for these purposes and "Actual quality" is basically a wash

You're making a category error here

>The idea postwar keynesianism was driven because of the USSR is another just-so story

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>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty.
doesn't everyone depend on at least some imports? especially island nations without much biodiversity or ores?



 

Why is no one discussing the true ideological origins of the ideology of the Zionist entity?

Satanyahu and his genocidal settler ilk largely take their genocidal murderous ideology from the teachings of Rabbi Abraham Kook, a late 19th-early 20th century Latvian rabbi. Kook was a rabid Zio who largely based his Zionism in a mix of Talmud, Kabbalah and German idealism, specifically Hegel. He believed the Jews establishing a racialist settled-colony in Palestine was part of a mystical process of “redemption.” He came to Palestine as a settler and ended up dying there in the 1930s when Palestine was illegally occupied by the British. His thought is very Hegelian with highly fascistic overtones, and anyone can defend with Palestine must learn his thought to fully understand the genocidal nature of Isn’treal.
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This video goes over his ideology.

Israel is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic commune.

Quiet part out loud.


>>2865319
>abrahamic schizobabble



 

overthrow the US government already you fat fucks im getting bored and my life is progressively getting worst in every aspect because the economy is collapsing
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>>2859665
unless you work at a "family business"

man this thread died quick

>>2861452
did you think we were going to overthrow the US govt in a thread?

life sucks and we all deal differently

>>2859296
>overthrow the US government already you fat fucks
no, the US gov is the real movement

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I have a feeling Hegseth has the potential to become a Coriolanus. He already has the psychological traits and motivations. A commander who starts out fiercely loyal to his homeland, but through war comes to admire aspects of the enemy while growing disillusioned with his own state's political leadership and civilian society as decadent, and ungrateful. All it would take is for him to be cast aside by his own side and offered a place by the enemy and you'd have a classic Coriolanus.



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