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I am unable to remember the exact place i discovered this but its pretty obvious from just class warfare in general.

At some point we are probably gonna see Luddite riots and bombings against ai development, we are already partially seeing it.
What is the material reasons for this and can anybody find an example?
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>>2826495
But if clerical tasks are already accomplished by smaller local models, is there really a point to the data centers? Tangentially, I think massive investment deposited into centralized data centers is halting development of AI elsewhere e.g. local inference models, so even if someone concludes that LLMs are productive you steal need to account for the particular mode of "compute distribution" being a productive net loss

It happened

Revive

>>2825685
>and they blame technology, not capitalism
oh no, the original luddites absolutely blamed the social relations that led to their livelihood being destroyed by the tech more than the tech itself, but its way easier to destroy a machine than the socio-economic system you're in, and so they destroyed the machines to extract concessions



 

Is it fair to say that most of the culture wars that take place in American politics are merely fights between the petite-bourgeoisie (small business owners) and the PMC?

The ruling class doesn't seem to care about the cultural bullshit since they're not really affected by it. Likewise, the working-class doesn't care about cultural issues all that much either and really only cares about short-term economic stuff like the price of gas. Many of the conservative cultural attributes that are thrown on to the working-class are actually the traits of the petit-bourg (being anti-abortion and anti-queer, for instance).

Right now, in the era of social media, it seems like culture wars and "symbolic crusades" are at an all-time high. Interestingly though, much unlike the culture wars of the 80s-2000s which were lead by the right, these contemporary culture wars seem to be mostly lead by snarky white liberals who overwhelmingly make up the PMC. Take, for instance, something like the backlash against Olivia Rodrigo's babydoll dress: for decades liberals pushed "choice feminism" and told people to stop attacking what women wear, yet now seem very concerned about what women wear. Olivia's dress is an issue for them because they associate it with pedophillia, which of course they link to Trump and Epstein (never mind the fact Olivia is a proud liberal herself who works with Planned Parenthood and pro-Palestine organizations). On an almost identical note, multiple liberal women have raised hysteria over big retail chains like Target and Nordstrom selling milkmaid dresses, calling it "tradwife coded" and saying it's indicative that women's civil rights will be taken away. Obviously, this is bullshit. How could something as petty as a milkmaid dress destroy the decades of feminist struggles in America? We also see this very clearly with the "clean girl" aesthetic being demonized as right-wing or "eugenics-coded" with the heavy makeup/blue eyeshadow look being championed for being (allegedly) progressive. For a leftist, all of these things are simply a case of consumer identity vs. consumer identity.

But that's not the point. The real issue in these contemporary examples is that snarky liberal white women fear the decline of their social and cultural status. Jill from Manhattan is mad that Fynnleigh the Mormon tradwife has more TikTok followers than her, even though what Fynnleigh does in her home in Utah has no effect whatsoever on Jill. Women's Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2827235
How does this analysis square with the fact that even university educated types in Europe are increasingly voting far-right after enough contact with problematic immigrants from Africa and Middle-East? The same people who used to vote for centre-left and centre-right parties are switching to populist right and far right by the millions.

>>2827274
  1. Because there are many factors at play: there are some educated people with no taste, for example.
  2. Centrist parties have generally been incompetent and self-destructive
  3. The center right also tends to appeal to uneducated types. 58% of Germans with only "basic education" voted CSU (32) or AFD (26) vs 40 with higher education (27 CSU, 13 AFD), and I chose Germany at random as an unsympathetic example. (The UK is a total victory for this theory)

>>2825988
Very interesting video.

No idea why comrades think it’s worth it to get involved so heavily in petty cultural bullshit.

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>>2827709
The superstructure reflects the material base. The trouble is that people don't get into the underlying material factors driving culture.

IMO contemporary politics have largely been driven by the slow proletarianization of white-collar jobs which is increasingly putting the cultural hegemony of capitalists into crisis. The reactionary shift is a temporary measure as reformism has ceased to satisfy the masses.



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Why are Eastern Bloc countries so inundated with retarded faggot gaylord parties that go around saying they're "Economically Left-Wing but Socially Right-Wing" or whatever? Western Europe doesn't do this, they have normal bourgeoisie political parties that reject syncretist nonsense. What the fuck are they doing over there? Can they just be normal and stop trying to be le unique and different? Why don't they just kill themselves?
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Actual Communism when practised always turns into Third Positonism/National Socialism. Western Commies will never succeed in anything except aiding the social liberal parties to stay in power in their countries and aiding the judeocapitalist banker class in replacing the native worker who demands basic worker rights with third world migrants that can work for 12hours a day for 2 dollars and not complain.

>>2821416
>nd contextualized, are peasant revolutions. Rather than asking why rural folks support socialists in the East, the real question is why the rural regions support the right in the West. Once socialists in the west can answer that question and figure out a way to appeal to rural people in the West, they will be abl

Because the Western Left has taken the side of third world lubenproletariat απεργοσπάστες instead of the native workers, who they decry for being "colonzers" (even though their ancestors worked in coals mines during the colonial era),racist or bougie when they ask uncomfortable questions.
Their Fanatical Support for F@ggotry, Tranvestites and other sexual perv activity is also a major reason.
I am a full on nazi from Greece, but I might hypothetically honestly join the KKE if they changed their view on migration and if they where (a bit) more Christian.

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>>2828006
>Third Positionism/National Socialism
Read a book uyghur.

its because marxism-leninism ruined everything
just compare russian communists before marxism-leninism:
>total Tsar ACKing
with russian communists post marxism-leninism
>outmaneuvered by gorbachov (fucking lol)
>united front with cucktin
its grim

>>2821416
Easy. Those weren't communists revolutions. They were liberal revolutions that produced industrial societies. Rural people in the West support the Right cause they are 12 people that own land and immigrant slaves.



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Atlanticism is literally the Ruscism of the West, and Fehlingerism and Schwabism are the Duginism of the West.

meow. meow. meow. meow.

Should've added anti fascism and multiliberaism to that

You play too much hoi4 tfr

>>2824701
for "allahu akbar"
for "God is great" wtf does this even mean ? The equivalent to the others is the "Ummah" or maybe the caliphate.



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>The Urning [book by K. H. Ulrichs] you sent me is a very curious thing. These are extremely unnatural revelations. The paederasts are beginning to count themselves, and discover that they are a power in the state. Only organisation was lacking, but according to this source it apparently already exists in secret. And since they have such important men in all the old parties and even in the new ones, from Rosing to Schweitzer, they cannot fail to triumph. Guerre aux cons, paix aus trous-de-cul [war on the cunts, peace to the arse-holes] will now be the slogan. It is a bit of luck that we, personally, are too old to have to fear that, when this party wins, we shall have to pay physical tribute to the victors. But the younger generation! Incidentally it is only in Germany that a fellow like this can possibly come forward, convert this smut into a theory, and offer the invitation: introite [enter], etc. Unfortunately, he has not yet got up the courage to acknowledge publicly that he is ‘that way’, and must still operate coram publico‘ from the front’, if not ‘going in from the front’ as he once said by mistake. But just wait until the new North German Penal Code recognises the droits du cul [rights of the arse-hole] then he will operate quite differently. Then things will go badly enough for poor frontside people like us, with our childish penchant for females. If Schweitzer could be made useful for anything, it would be to wheedle out of this peculiar honourable gentleman the particulars of the paederasts in high and top places, which would certainly not be difficult for him as a brother in spirit.
Letter from Friedrich Engels to Karl Marx, June 22, 1869
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idpol slide thread

>>2827341
>If Schweitzer could be made useful for anything, it would be to wheedle out of this peculiar honourable gentleman the particulars of the paederasts in high and top places, which would certainly not be difficult for him as a brother in spirit.
Image of Karl Marx trying to recruit the first socialist elected to parliament in Europe (who was gay) to spy on othe socialists (who were also gay)

Oh wait that was Engels nm

>>2827611
I read OP like three times, Engels doesn’t sound hostile to Ulrichs unless I’m missing some sarcasm or context. Saying “ thank god me and Marx are too old to assfuck” is a pretty typical straight guy joke.

>>2827341
Engels was fucking hilarious, this is quality comedic writing
>war on the cunts, peace to the arse-holes
>rights of the arse-hole
Why am I picturing Milo Yiannopoulos?



 

I know that Western investment in the third world can be anti-imperialist and AES but what about IMF loans???
I thought Based China was going to wholesomely develop Africa's productive forces for free, what the FUCK is this??
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>>2827833
ML stands for Military LARP

>>2827841
I thought it stood for Moderate Leftism?

>>2827841
>>2827980
No, it stands for Massively Logical.

>>2827841
It stands for Moronic Liberal actually

>>2827832
Indeed, one might even say that it's so low that it's a nothingburger and this was a stupid gotcha thread that isn't based on anything meaningful.



 

Fuck this guy. I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag prop him up as the greatest thing to happen to American leftism, like he’s sone kind of modern-Day William Z Foster.

In reality, Mamdani is a total fraud. He’s pandered to Zionists even before taking office. Then after taking office he’s sucked up to Chabad-Lubavitcher which is a satanic racist Jewish supremacist org with ties to the Russian mafia and Zionist entity. Why? He’s even thrown his own wife under the bus for working with Palestinian liberation activist Susan Abdulhawa. I guess he thinks kosher feelings outweigh Palestinian lives. He hasn’t done anything he’s promised in making NYC a cheaper and easier place to live. And yet delusional leftists still love and support him.

If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC. Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.

Mamdani ran on the basis of defying the Zionist Lobby so he needs to keep his promises.
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>>2801728
not enough motion to challenge the police union.

>>2819426
Because he's not a dictator and has no ability to do that.

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>>2782652
Can I hate both?



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Honestly, why people treat Marx as some kind of religious figure? Every time I interact with a leftist that go nut when you criticize Marx, why? Why the dogmatism around Marx? It's genuinely confusing to me, I read that the vast majority of modern economist doesn't even care for Marx and treat him as a historical figure, they still say people still try to make economics idea out of outdated ideas of Marx. Anyway, my main point is: will the left move on from Marx someday or they will forever trap under marxism? Why leftist are so dogmatic?
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>>2827653
actually I'm just responding candidly to a real complaint that real people have in the real world.

I don't care very much if it "contributes to the thread"
or "proves a point"
I'm just having fun with my friends on leftypol and I will not be heeding to complaints of what reasoning I should or should not engage in and what behavior I should or not enforce. Because this isn't your little politburo and you're not my chairman.
I wish we would all just get along.

>>2827741
>>2827653

Yeah I also got a little sloppy since my post >>2827610
was actually both a reply to

>>2826835
>is it dogmatic of me to quote these anti-dogmatic passages
"good" effortpost.

as well as the bad evil troll responding to it (How Dare He?)
>>2827528

>>2826623
>leftist that go nut when you criticize Marx
Probably your criticisms are ignorant and you didn't read or understand Marx.

>>2826623
Marx was fairly brilliant philosopher. He was immortalized by Lenin and the legacy of the soviet union/xx century for better or worse. You could stand to read him sometime.




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In 2024, somebody posted a clip of a somebody making the point that a trans woman whi didn’t disclose their gender transition status before having sex with a man was being deceptive and thus was raping him, which some leftists found to be controversial: https://xcancel.com/secondbyfarce/status/1852772181073445357

Some here may find the position of the guy in the video to be disconcerting and triggering, but within the context of consent in sexual intimacy, he is right since he is merely applying the logic of rape-as-lack-of-consent to its logical conclusion.

Because let’s face it: Consent, as pointed out by figures such as Harry Hay and Michel Foucault, is just liberal contract theory as applied to sex, and a contract is made void if you enter under it under false pretenses, and let’s not pretend that contracts are made in a vacuum, as whether a contract is or isn’t valid isn’t a neutral judgement made by an impartial figure, as much as being done by the powers that be (e.g., the state) under dominant or bourgeois cultural diktats.
So unless you think consent shouldn’t be absolute when it comes to sexual relations, then a trans woman having sex with a cishet man without disclosing “her” pre-transition gender is rape as much as sex by deception is rape, and neither are criminalised even in the most feminist countries like Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, the USA, Canada, Australia, the UK, and France. So what does it say about consent theory if not even the most feminist countries on Earth criminalised sex by deception as rape?

Then of course, there’s the issue of the AoC, a draconian and absolutist bourgeois piece of legislation used by the capitalist bourgeoisie to morally discipline the working class into anti-proletarian bourgeois morality since the days of William T Stead’s infamous yellow press journalism. In this case, a person under the magic age line cannot (legally) consent to sex with someone above the magic age line. Common idealist talking points often allude to an inconsistent and arbitrary notion of “mental maturity” that is heavily subjective depending on who uses it, whilst obfuscating the meat of the issue: It’s not that people below the magic age line are incapable of being willing sexual and/or romantic partners, it’s just that the state decided that the magic age line makes the willingness of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

It really seems like you are leaning on age of consent being a class-related thing, somehow, to justify pedophilia. I'm not saying that's what you are doing, OP, but it really seems like you are really pushing the edge of idpol bullshit right now. Do you or do you not want to fuck children. Let's just clear that up real quick and avoid any vagueness. I will quote you directly to free myself of bias:


>the issue of the AoC, a draconian and absolutist bourgeois piece of legislation used by the capitalist bourgeoisie to morally discipline the working class into anti-proletarian bourgeois morality since the days of William T Stead’s infamous yellow press journalism


I gave you the benefit of the doubt OP, now explain yourself.

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TELL ME ABOUT THE AGE OF CONSENT POSTER! WHY DOES HE USE THE VPN?

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>>2827923
While I respect the effort you put into this dialectic I have to say you did not answer my question whatsoever.



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Unless men are maddened in the battlefield they cannot stand it to hear appeals for help and not respond to them. The hero goes, and what the hero does, all feel they ought to have done as well. The sophisms of the brain cannot resist the mutual aid feeling, because this feeling has been nurtured by thousands of years of human social life and hundreds of thousands of years of prehuman life in societies.
-Kropotkin

In the US when I hear a defense of our founding fathers who owned slaves, particularly Jefferson and Washington, I always hear that morals were just different back then and that you basically can’t expect these people to know any better in 1776. This is stupid.

Morality is a constant. You know when you’re harming someone or inconveniencing them. You should think of how they feel about it and you should judge particularly impactful interactions for yourself and others from as many angles as possible as many times as possible. Don’t be neurotic, but hearing the screams of someone being whipped shouldn’t take a struggle session and psychological damage to evoke emotions over. Ruminating on all the memories that stick out we which ones we could’ve and should’ve acted better in. It’s a natural, gut instinct that some defective people may be born without, but it’s a common factor that should be the basis for society.

This is very vague, I’ve only described a notion of what’s “moral” or “not moral” and these categories do need to be demystified, but the constant shifting and adjusting for moral shores is the job of legislatures. I know many will come and start posing moral hypotheticals which I’ll be happy to answer, but in a world where were giving back to the billionaires directly without even bothering to mask it, giving back to foreign proxy’s with shrinking domestic protections, and giving back to politicians, cops and even criminals willing to abuse the courts system without any consideration or efficiency for the people making the system run, I want to focus on at least starting to round the edges.

I know this places namesake is 4chan. I see the reading list contains antisemitic texts, not just chapters from Bakunin, but shit like The Jewish Question and a section on German Idealism. I’m not an idiot, but clearly you’re all here because you feel something that keeps you off platforms like instagram and twitter and yet a compulsion to strive for better than 4chan. Typically the most politically involved Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

If you read most of that I appreciate and salute you comrade
Vive la revolucion!
Up the RA!
No Pasaran!
And death to all those who stand in the way of freedom for the working people!



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