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What would be a Marxist critique of sex and human sexuality?

Sexual lust is a stain on civilization. It destroys communities, promotes selfishness and furthers the idea that human beings are worthy only insofar as they provide pleasure or “usefulness” to the other. One can clearly see the link between the normalization of sexual lust and eugenics for this reason. It also causes social instability and moral decay.

Non-sexual love is about what you give to the other person, lust is about what you mindlessly take from the other person.

So far, the only philosophers and thinkers I’ve seen who thoroughly critique human sexuality are either ancient and medieval thinkers, or modern-day right-wingers who rely on said ancient/medieval critiques. Where are all the Marxist critique of sexual lust and what a massively destructive force it is? Marxism needs to promote the idea sex is solely for the act of procreation and mutual pleasure between monogamous partners. It is because our modern society is ruled by lust that we see vast amounts of moral decay. Moral relativism is everywhere. Secularism and capitalism have destroyed any sense of virtue. Desire to take from others sexually has made these things almost impossible to fight against.

Marxism must critique sexuality and promote sexual abstinence and purity.(Excessive reactoid retardation)
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>>2861007
Marxists oppose sex?

>>2858895
>Thomas Aquinas was practically an anarcho-communist.
Source? Everything I know about him implies a deep level of classism towards the poor

>>2861013
It's bullshit.

There's a reason the Catholic Church has always hated Liberation Theology.

>>2860301
That entire video is a /pol/ meme.

>>2858817
Look up the Islamic critique of sex, OP.



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I have come to a serious realization.

The essence of communism is not the nationalization of the means of production. That is a byproduct of a more fundamental change in society.

The essence of communism is the government directly controlling labor i.e. people.

>besides the point, but interesting video you should check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZN8hmkSZU

A new government telling YOU to what to work on and where to work, given your capabilities and resources in the rest of society.
And this is objectively Good if the new government is Good.

This is a core redpill that is too hard to swallow for retards and normies. Those who understand need to evangelize the commie sigma grindset because the human capital for communism is very rare. That mindset is the Hive-mind. Broken people reject the hive-mind when it is an unavoidable prerequisite for communism. We will not be able to build communism with people broken and alienated by crapitalism. As crapistalism turns even worse, more and more of the entreprolecariat will gnosticpill themselves. The result is nihilism for the wealth accumulators and suicide for the rest. It will be a total dark age because human development and the divine reaching for the stars is possible only through social practice of actual vigor. All the good people are dying and returning to the pleroma. There are fewer and fewer people left to make communism work.

We will not see communism come back anytime soon because those that can do it, won't.
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>>2860700
>The essence of communism is the government directly controlling labor i.e. people.
How did you get it completely backwards? Communism is labor controlling the government(the DoTP???) not the other way around.

>>2860893
Labor is mostly a disorganized majority. The government is an organized minority. Even in cases of populaf majority hegemony, a vanguard appeared to steer the majority. The more organized group leads. Also, let's stop pretending that historical AES governments did not give form to the labor movements in their countries. Even Iran with their Basij does the same.

>>2860715
I mean hey, if that's the word you like to use. I don't think you can honestly say, though, that it doesn't have a negative connotation in the western psyche. Gemeinwesen, however, is the explicit Marxian term which I believe has been articulated by Bordiga others in his vein, and has its own delicate German connotation and etymology.

If you have spare time consult these…ah I see he does mention 'community' a lot in the manuscripts but among the most powerful is the one more on point with hivemind'. The text is 'estranged labor' and the term is 'Gattungswesen' or 'species-being'. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm mandatory reading for leftypol in general

>>2860947
I'll read it.
And yes it does have a negative connotation. Either you are viewed as naïve, a fool, or an opressor authority figure. Atomized individuals are on the entrepreneur worship train and they aren't getting off.

>>2860724
we live rent free in your head



 

The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.

>What is the difference between:

>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?

Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.

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>>2777121
Thanks for pointing it out.
He ended the perior unpopular as Boluarte in recent times but alive. Check video.
Only putting Mlm as THE communist movement seems to me the most reductive way to see history in the last decades. Specially since is another boat drowining in a sea of nothingness (writing this as the Cuban capitulate to the gringos for the X time in the decade and the chinese "sociailism with markets TM" is the only horse winning the race)

>>>/leftypol/2849563 related topic

yall just putting letters together at random

>>2850275
seems pretty deliberate to me

this is random:

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>>2829467
You are a faggot of the highest degree.



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2855136
>the burkinabé chief of state ibrahim traoré received with great pomp the israeli ambassador to ivory coast who is equally accredited to represent israel with benin, togo and burkina faso. this visit happens as israel looks to deepen its links with the sahel including with mali who started secret negotiations with israel several months ago with the help of the uae and morocco

>>2855136
Thank you AES ally UAE for this gift to the african peoples!
Soon the the AES Egyptian military will critically escort the IDF into the last districts of Palestine to crush terrorism and safeguard peace and harmony under the PLO two state solution!

Nigeria says 2 nationals were killed during anti-migrant violence in South Africa

Nigeria said Sunday that two of its nationals were killed last month in South Africa following violent anti-immigrant protests targeting African workers in the country.

The Nigerians were killed June 28, two days before an unofficial deadline by protesters for foreigners to leave, the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said. One was allegedly killed by police officers and the other by unidentified attackers, it said.

https://apnews.com/article/nigeria-south-africa-antimigrant-violence-5448f808e7830b254de8c70038c08af7

Tanzania’s LNG project nears deal for US$42 billion

Tanzania is approaching one of the most important moments in its energy history. The government hopes to finalize the agreement with the host government for the Tanzania LNG project before mid-2026, an initiative valued at approximately $42 billion that seeks to develop vast natural gas reserves located off its coast.
The project is led by Equinor and Shell, who act as main operators, and also involves ExxonMobil, Pavilion Energy, Medco Energi and the state-owned Tanzania Petroleum Development Corporation (TPDC).

https://inspenet.com/en/news/tanzanian-lng-project-advances-agreement/

Tanzania says no to US specimen sharing, but concerns remain

Dar es Salaam. Tanzania says it did not agree to provide biological specimens to the United States under a new five-year health partnership under the America First Global Health Strategy (AFGHS), but major questions about the deal remain unanswered.
Health Minister Mohammed Mchengerwa has clarified that provisions requiring Tanzania to share biological specimens were not accepted during negotiations.
But the full agreement has not been made public.

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/national/tanzania-says-no-to-us-specimen-sharing-but-concerns-remain-5518462



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I noticed that within much of the conservative or reactionary movement, when people's material conditions worsen, many seem to respond not by supporting efforts to improve those conditions—whether through direct action or by voting for left-wing candidates who promise economic reforms—but by directing their frustration toward immigrants or so-called "welfare queens," believing those groups are receiving unfair advantages. They often end up supporting right-wing candidates whose policies, in my view, make life more difficult for the broader public while primarily benefiting the bourgeoisie. What I struggle to understand is the mindset of wanting to make other people's lives worse simply because your own circumstances have deteriorated. I understand why they see socialism/communism to be the devil because of decades of propaganda against those systems, but wanting to hurt those who are more vulnerable than they are just seems like anti-social behavior.

This is why I don't see MAGA communism or any 'conservative/nationalist' socialism having any potential other than devolving into fascism. The people those movements are trying to appeal to have no class conscious and solidarity. Things that bind the, are class collaborationist in nature rather than built upon class struggle. Communism, be it Marxist or anarchist, is a mass movement that requires the proletariat around the world to work together to throw off their chains. And can't be hung up over conflicts between different ethnicities, nationalities, orientations and ect.
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>>2858546
The left-slopulist assertion that conservatives only want to punish and kill the undeserving poor is dangerous. Because it leaves your average leftoid defenseless when they encounter right-wingers who aren't like that.
Case in point - that shitshow of a thread where Catholic Poland was declared to be "socialist" because it has a welfare state.

>>2859869
sometimes I wonder if the extreme anti-social behavior is unique to american conservative movement since as an outsider looking in it appears as if conservatives in other countries usually espouse some form of corporatism as an answer to the class question as opposed to just telling people they're literally the only truly sentient person in the world.

>>2859848
Looks like Dahmer had a type.

>>2860170
Well, American liberalism has been tied to meritocracy and multicultural civic nationalism for generations now. It's the land of the free, so if you fuck up it's your own fault and you should save yourself.

This is very different from the rest of the world, where ethno-religious nationalism is far more entrenched and it's accepted that society's losers should be protected as long as they're the correct faith or skin color.

>>2859869
Yeah it's called fascism anon



 

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>>2860621
true but I don't think that was for them being social democracies as much as they were closer with the USSR.

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>>2860593
>talking tough over internet slap fights
Holy hell how pathetic can you get

>>2860612
Once Lulu dies from old age the fascists will get their guys in. They will not make the same mistakes Bolsonaro made.
>>2860625
USSR didn't matter in the western hemisphere after they cucked out with the Cuban missile crisis. Real problem for you is why would they let you have a social democracy when banana republics are more profitable and give them tighter control?

>>2860510
Also if you haven't seen this I created a visualization of the 577 people who George Washington held in chattel slavery at Mt Vernon

https://erikhoudini.com/577



 

Would the ruling class actually restort to nuclear armageddon to try to maintain their social class?

It didn't happen during the cold war but we might very well be in the times of a new revolution, and even without that, the israeli regime has the samson option where it nukes itself and its neighbors for a hellish holocaust.
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>>2859470
Maybe although nukes aren't wholly controlled by the bourgeoisie it's actually run by a bunch of Curtis LeMays and 18 year old key turners.

At this point it's kind of like chekhov's nuclear war. It's gonna happen at some point


>>2859470
No. The taboo against nuclear war was established by the modern bourgeoisie (and the social-imperialist Soviet regime) to discredit proletarian revolution. The lie is that nukes are so uniquely destructive and dangerous that class collaboration and quietism are necessary to preserve the survival of humanity.

The truth is that nuclear war is inevitable, desirable, and eminently survivable for an educated and prepared proletarian vanguard.

>>2859470
If the porkies could find a way or make psyche themselves to believe that they would be personally isolated from the primary and secondary effects of a open ended nuclear exchange, where they could reap all the benefits of the elevated rate of profit and possible elimination of geopolitical rivals, without any the downsides. If that were the scenario, they would have probably launched the nukes already. So it's unlikely to be coordinated push towards it. Doesn't mean that they can't get high or ideology, desperation and warmongering and start a conventional war that ends up turning into a nuclear war.

I still think that the greatest buffer against nuclear war, after Russian and Chinese nuclear deterrence are the US military brass who actually have to plan for humanity ending wars and who then push back against the civilian wing of the US state machine, who would have burnt the planet x10 over by now with delusions of assured US and western victory in any and all possible conflict scenarios.



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Prediction (pessimistic): The US government will be overthrown, not by "social fascist" DSA members or by "True marxist leninists" (they don't exist since they are an impossible standard for a westoid to meet) but actual fascists like patriot front or proud boys. The US government will triple down on ethno-nationalism but will recede from the world stage. "Multipolarity" will bloom but will prove to be a farce. "Free trade" will collapse and all countries will be forced to become "self sufficient". This will lead to a period of basically universal Juche style self reliance mixed with ethnonational zionist kibbutz style "socialism." Neofeudal schemes will tie neo-peasants to agriculture since countries will be forced to produce surplus, but neo-peasants will double as neo-proles through digital office jobs. Basically they will grow crops for the state but also be responsible for digital maintenance of statistics. Hyper surveillance will prevent people from hoarding or hiding what they produce. Climate change will make everything harder to grow, the end of free trade will mean that all countries become isolationist and produce for themselves, and ethnonationalism and hyper surveillance will create a self reliant neofeudal national socialist dystopia in each country with its own characteristics. Each country will become an open air fallout vault. Transhumanism and gene editing will result in speciation of humans into several new sub species meant to specialize. Mind altering substances and technology will be used to enforce obedience, and transform pain into pleasure. This will entrench artificial castes and turn life into a hell disguised as heaven.

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Sounds like Pretty Basic Marxism to me.

>>2860175
No this is retarded op the reason is that the American bourgeois gets their profits internationally and they don’t want isolationism in trade they want global super profits the only version of nationalism they like is anti china and anti third world ie convert those regimes to western corporation friendly so bezos can strip mine China and loot it for parts once muh cop is gone and western private equity can buy every apartment building and SOE in China and start extraction of wealth to then

I can see the nazi elements inside the american security apparatus trying to wrestle more direct control from their zionist masters but not much would change for us.

And of course both factions collaborate effortlessly to quash the peons, everything under the heavens being chaos is not in the menu for such scenario.



 

Dear comrades, this is a guide how to fuck the capitalists, every day of your life.

-do not drink Coca Cola, soda. Drink water and green tea (without sugar)
-do not use toothpaste, brush teeth with toothbrush and saliva
-do not use shampoo, it's expensive and toxic
-do not eat processed foods. Eat unprocessed foods and vegetables, cook them
-do not buy expensive computer hardware and do not buy gaming consoles
-do not waste savings and your salary on consumptionism, instead invest everything or give to charities
-do not work and do not pay taxes, collect gibs from gubmint
-choose cheapest internet subscription instead of fast internet
-do not eat fast food, do not go to McDonalds and KFC
-never buy new cars, always buy old cheap cars
-use ad blocker in your web browser (ublock origin)
-spread anticapitalism on forums and social media
-do not use loans and credit cards, except house loan
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>>2859873
>invest everything
Capitalists hate when you invest!

>>2860110
>Capitalists hate when you invest!
Actually, yes, they do.
They want the proletariat to be without assets, without housing, renting everything from the capitalists. They want you to own nothing.

I will do this.

Thanks

Garbage thread.

tldr: some decent anti-consumerism advice, with some harmful ignorant nonsense sprinkled in because why not (unironically you would have been better off suggesting urine and baking soda than "brush your teeth with nothing HURRR", you can die from advice this bad)



 

And with that, the Right Wing ideology has captured the government of everything single South America country, ironically, on the leftern side of the continent.

The only technical standout is Fujimori in Peru, granted she is 40k votes ahead and mathematically locked in, unless the recount reshapes the race entire in the direction of the left, which is mathematically unlikely.
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>>2846743
>>2855082
Argie trots are morenistas, they support NATO and shit lol

>>2857837
Proof?

>>2857837
>Trot supports NATO
water is wet

>>2857846
"Trot" barely means anything when it can be a crypto-councilist, a DPRK stan or a neocon

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you stupid faggots need to accept that there's nothing worth saving in south america



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