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I mostly agree with the LTV because it's almost a tautology. A commodity needs labor to be produced and other commodities aswell. As such, any commodity can be broken down and will always be reduccible to its labor-content.
That prices =/= labor-costs can simply be explained by supply/demand granting higher bargaining power to the bourgeois.

However, if this is correct, why can't we solve the transformation problem ? I might be wrong in my understanding of the LTV so this might explain the issue, but it seems that there's no satisfying solution to it.
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>>2893299
Right, but this would mean reducing wages in the West to an average found across the world. We can see this dispute in Social Democrats like Bernie. In this interview he says he is against open borders since it declines wages, and he says he doesn't care about levelling wages of the third world to the first world. We could then call this protection of wages a type of price-fixing that allows greater consumption on the world market, but also results in capital flight to competitive sectors.

>>2893314
>Right, but this would mean reducing wages in the West to an average found across the world
indeed. but it is historically progressive, so of course the social fascist would oppose it
beyond keeping wages unequal, this also leads to unequal development. it makes no sense to invest in MoPs when labor power is cheap

>>2893319
>Historically progressive
I mean, that's a loaded judgement. It is what it is - it can either be good or bad for whichever context you're discussing it in. I am just describing the facts; border regulations raise national wages by monopolising domestic labour markets over international ones.

>>2893320
yeah. but it also wastes labor power and holds back the development of the MoPs

>>2893322
Well, it all depends. We see that in the struggle of labour versus capital, that pushing for higher wages leads to the development of machines which subsequently replace workers. So, technology is not just created by competition between capitalists, but also of workers versus capital as well. Now, for the struggles of labour regulations, Marx gives an account of its history in Capital Vol. 1, Ch. 10, and it concludes that the real struggle is the fight for a lesser working day, which in turn, leads to higher wages, rather than the other way round. Minimum wage laws were never pushed by socialists, but only liberals. Even trade unions had opposition to minimum wages, but only because it levelled wages in different industries. So, simply letting capital take the reins is not the sole path to productivity, and it cannot bring increased prosperity without regulations in place, either.



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One cultural trend I've noticed over the years is how many Americans, especially on the neoconservative right(though not exclusively) genuinely seem to view American history through the lens of the plucky underdog fighting against overwhelming odds. Which is a rather odd interpretation of history, if you ignore the small detail that the United States was usually the side with more resources, more money, better logistics or some combination of all three.

Take the Revolutionary War, probably the most commonly cited example. Yes, the Continental Army was fighting the British Empire. But the Americans were financed and materially supported by France and later Spain, while Britain was simultaneously dealing with multiple conflicts across the globe. Calling this a straightforward case of a tiny, helpless underdog taking on an all-powerful empire leaves out a few inconvenient details.

Then there's WW2, where the American "underdog" narrative becomes even more impressive. The average American soldier was significantly better paid than soldiers in all other armies. An American private earned around $50 a month, compared with roughly $12 for a British private. An American sergeant could out-earn officers in some other countries. American troops were also extraordinarily well supplied, with vastly greater access to not just food, ammunition, equipment, transportation, but for ice-cream, thanksgiving Turkey and cigarettes
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>>2893014
Not that anon but you are retarded if you think this is a "trend" americans have been professional victims for their entire existence. Pretending to be victims of the evil savage native while engaging in genocide.

>>2892973
No but it does seem to conflict with your idea of the innocent american prole who dindu nuffin' and totally didn't mean to commit mass rape and genocide.

>>2892975
Which book?

>>2893262
I'm not denying that Americans are retards with a victim complex, but this specific phenomenon of glorifying the militia above the conventional military seems to be recentish. Like in The Patriot, the main focus is on the Battle of Cowpens, which while somewhat important is presented as the biggest achievement of the war. giving this narrative that the Americans learned from Indian warriors to win through rugged individualism and by avoiding stuffy conventional military tactics. This would not have been an idea in the 1900, or even in the 1950s, when the focus was much more on the Continental Army.

>>2892970
>Why does America do this totally normal thing that most countries do
The vulgar anti-Americanism can be a bit tiring.

There is a tendency for countries to play up the strength and competence of countries that they defeated in war, but still gave them a pretty bloody nose, while downplaying their own advantages.

Probably one of the reasons why history often remembers Pyrrhus of Epirus as one of the greatest military minds of his age despite his campaign king of being an unmitigated disaster and literally being the namesake for the "Pyrrhic victory" is because he was fighting the Romans and by all accounts left them with a pretty bloody nose despite ultimately losing.

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>>2893303
Funnily enough, in terms of the actual effective use of militias and guerrilla warfare, the British were vastly superior and they had more Indians tribes fighting alongside them. Rogers’ Rangers were basically the fantasy Americans had of an undermanned and under-armed force defeating a numerically superior Army through irregular tactics. But Rogers forces also had military discipline, tactics and training.



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Whats the correct leftypol take on immigration?
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>>2888453
The Global Migration Crisis is purely a result of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System that has created widespread Poverty/Inequality/Starvation combined with Genocidal Imperialist Wars launched by the U$ and the Zionist State throughout the Periphery/Semi-Periphery countries that has caused millions of people from Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, Eastern Europe, and East Asia to flee their homes and try to get to the Imperial Core (ie. The U$ and Western Europe), where they are used by the Bourgeoisie for both cheap labor and as a convenient scapegoat/bogeyman to divide the Proletariat in order to elect Fascists like Trump who will gut the Social Safety Net and eventually declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Bourgeois Liberal Democracy, so their is no way to truly solve this problem as long as the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System exists, but once the World Maoist PPW (in the aftermath of the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-imperialist System) successfully creates a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted), the Global Migration Crisis will end, as their will be no Material reason for anyone to migrate anymore, as every person worldwide will have Free Housing, Free Healthcare, Free Education, a Job Guarantee, and a UBI, and most people who migrated will probably voluntarily return to their homelands, with every Nation/Ethnic group receiving their own SSR according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2893206
Retard

>>2893240
Money remittance only creates the conditions for imperialism to enslave the mother country via threatening to restrict the flow. It's the reason India bends over backwards anytime Trump wants to fuck them, because he can simply threaten the systen of monetary remittances that make up a good deal of many indian people's support network. Instead of improving ones own country by migrating and sending money back you are putting heavier chains on it.

>>2893193
>People should
Retarded idealism

>>2888453
>Whats the correct leftypol take on immigration?
The opposite of what EU says. They're deporting immigrants and closing borders, so the correct take is open borders and "refugees and immigrants welcome!" Let them all in.

>>2893264
This simply does not follow, even on its own terms. If India did not have foreign currency inflows it would not be independent of the US in foreign policy, it would be either irrelevant or subservient because it would be trivial for the (much richer) US to fuck them over.

You cannot, in fact, be "poor but free", there is no magic "do domestic development to modern living standards without interacting with the global economy" button. That's before we even get into whether the level of analysis should be countries, rather than either individuals or classes.



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World War 3 is the endresult of self-imposed tyranny upon the human race and the world for 3,000+ years. It was inevitable that technology would progress to the point that humanity had the capability to destroy itself and take the world out along with it. WW3 is also the only solution to nation-states. They're gonna eat themselves. I look forward to the death of the nation-state. People said ANPRIM would never return - you cannot outsmart nature and biology. It was inevitable that this was gonna happen. Pride destroyed us all. It's the same story every single time, except next time there's no escaping the collapse.
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>>2892137
Humans have less fat than penguins and pressing penguins into oil didn’t work for brits

Wa wa wee wa

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>>2892077
Based Take Comrade S Poster, the Hippies made some good music and had Based views on opposing the Vietnam War, supporting recreational Drug use/legalization, the Black/New Afrikan Liberation movement (ie. the Maoist Black Panthers), Feminism, LGBT rights, etc. but they were still highly influenced by Petit Bourgeois Liberal Idealism (the same reason they thought it was okay to preserve Bourgeois Femininity and the Reactionary Patriarchal Gender Binary by letting Women have Long Hair) which caused them to fall for the Reaganite/Khrushchevite/Gorbachev “Nuclear Winter” meme, and refuse to accept the Dialectical Materialist reality that Global Nuclear War is Historically Progressive because it will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, which will create the Material Conditions for a successful World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) that will create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the map I posted) which will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️ 💇‍♀️👩‍🦲!

Nah
<As a result of World War I, the tsar, the landlords and the capitalists in Russia were wiped out; as a result of World War II, Chiang Kai-shek and the landlords were overthrown in China and the East European countries and a number of countries in Asia were liberated. Should the United States launch a third world war and supposing it lasted eight or ten years, the result would be the elimination of the ruling classes in the United States, Britain and the other accomplice countries and the transformation of most of the world into countries led by Communist Parties. World wars end not in favour of the warmongers but in favour of the Communist Parties and the revolutionary people in all lands. If the warmongers are to make war, then they mustn't blame us for making revolution or engaging in "subversive activities" as they keep saying all the time. If they desist from war, they can survive a little longer on this earth. But the sooner they make war the sooner they will be wiped from the face of the earth. Then a people's united nations would be set up, maybe in Shanghai, maybe somewhere in Europe, or it might be set up again in New York, provided the U.S. warmongers had been wiped out.



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For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of online left-wing politics. Bernie was about to win, Democratic socialism was the future, China would inevitably democratize and the old boring MLism was dead. A few DSA-backed candidates winning city council seats in already progressive districts was treated as if the Bolsheviks had just stormed the Winter Palace.

The most ridiculous part was that the supposed divide between the Dirtbag Left and the DSA left barely existed. They agreed on healthcare, labor, foreign policy, housing, policing and virtually every other major issue. The defining ideological conflict of the era was essentially whether you were allowed to make edgy 90's raunch comedy jokes on podcasts. Entire feuds and endless Twitter meltdowns emerged from a disagreement that amounted to "can you say slurs ironically?"

The confidence was incredible, leftist genuinely talked as if DSA-aligned leadership of every major American city was inevitable, as if Bernie was one good news cycle away from the White House and as if a handful of podcasts by stand up comedians had somehow cracked the code of political history.
In retrospect, it all seems absurd. There was never a realistic path to any of it. The movement's grandest ambitions had essentially zero chance of materializing.

Then reality intervened. Bernie lost, The post-COVID world arrivedm Housing crises worsened, Migration became politically explosive, Major wars returnedm China didn't democratize and instead looked increasingly capable of navigating long-term crises without becoming a Western liberal democracy and the assumptions underlying the entire scene collapsed one by one.

A lot of the old supporters ended up as tankies. A smaller but noticeable number drifted toward the far right. Sometimes they somehow became both at once. The aesthetic transformation is almost as funny as the political one, the old Dirtbag Left revolved around schlubby podcasters making jokes about being ironically gay, the people who inherited its audience are often obsessed with MMA, military history, geopolitical realism and posting shirtless workout photos. The few remaining loyalists seem to have finally realized that their politics were never meaningfully different from the DSA's in the first place and appear perfectly content settling into the role of ordinary progressive liberals.

What a strange, stupid little farce that was.
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>>2856792
Don't go into debt for your daddy who doesnt know you exist now. gl bud

>>2856475
what put him on the map is saying america deserved 7/11

>>2847877
<this is skinny in AmeriKKKa

>>2849718
>cruise ships cause more emissions then cars

Either he is completely ignorant on this or wilfully misrepresenting shit.

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>tfw dont know a single dirtbag leftist



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So why is it that all "historically progressive" forces in History all turnout to be white European colonizers who raped and enslaved Black and Indigenous folx?
Is Marxism just a long winded apologia to justify colonialism and oppression?
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>>2890963
have you noticed that the locking keypad is only on the outside

>>2891972
Where does Marx define progress?

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>>2888859
I take the Proudhonist position that "progress" is circular, which is the meaning of "revolution" (e.g. returning back to the same point). Marx in his latest years offers wisdom upon this topic. Marx (1881):
<‘the new system’ to which modern society is tending ‘will be a revival, in a superior form, of an archaic social type.’ We should not, then, be too frightened by the word ‘archaic’.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/zasulich/draft-1.htm
Here, History is moving back to its beginning, the same as the cyclical History of Hesiod (700 BCE) and the Mahabrata (400 BCE). We see then that the course of History is back toward the lost Golden Age. This is also in the Bible, where a new Eden redeems the Curse of Adam, or so to say, the compulsion of labour is overcome (such as Hesiod describes our Iron Age as one of toil). Virgil (40 BCE):
<The iron shall cease, the golden race arise […] shall the earth, untilled, pour freely forth her childish gifts
https://allpoetry.com/Eclogue-IV

>>2889951
japan before the islamic revolution

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>>2891978
Marx was a monkeist?



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Which of these is the closest?

meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.meow.
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>>2891783
The thirdworldist is white in this image, sir.

>>2891707
hell yeah

>>2891935
Is the third worldist in the room with us now?

>>2891835
it didn't say le jews, it just made fun of how zionists call everything they don't like antisemitic. the guy in the cartoon is literally christian zionist rupert murdoch who was acting CEO of fox news

>>2891835
just cut off the bottom panel if it triggers you so much



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Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz was born on August 13, 1926 in Biran, a former Cuban province in the eastern part of the island. He was the son of Ángel Castro Argiz and Lina Ruz González. His father was a Galician migrant; when he arrived in Cuba he had obtained some property and, as a peasant farmer, he dedicated himself to sugar cane production. His mother came from a peasant family in the province of Pinar del Río. Fidel Castro is one of the great protagonists of 20th century history and politics, and one of the most relevant figures in Cuban and Latin American history. He is considered the father of the Cuban Revolution.

His first studies were in the rural public school of Biran, where he learned to read and write, continuing the following educational levels in private catholic schools in the city of Santiago de Cuba. In 1945 he graduated as a bachelor of arts at the Colegio de Belen in Havana, belonging to the Society of Jesus. He then entered the University of Havana to study social sciences and national and international law.

Restless, observant, sharp in his reflections and outstanding in all learning, in the university environment he joined the socio-political struggles of his time, occupying various positions in the University Student Federation. With an ideology favorable to just, libertarian and popular causes, he soon became involved in revolutionary activities, such as those of the Committee for the Independence of Puerto Rico.

Fidel Castro was 25 years old when he was designated by the party as candidate for Congress in the elections scheduled for June 1952, but on March 10 of that year the coup d'état of Colonel Fulgencio Batista Zaldívar took place, being Fidel Castro one of the first to denounce the reactionary and illegitimate character of the de facto regime and to call for its overthrow.

On July 26, 1953 he commanded the assault on the Moncada barracks in Santiago de Cuba, a plan that included also taking the Bayamo barracks, in an action conceived as a detonator of the armed struggle against the Batista regime. Unfortunately, his tactics failed and he was taken prisoner by the repressive forces of the tyranny a few days after the military setback. He was held incommunicado for 76 days. He was put on trial and sentenced to 15 years in prison. However, the popular reaction in his support and that of the rest of the Moncadistas succeeded in pressuring the government, and they were released in May 1955. WeePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Greatest LGBT ally

Great man theory

I miss you fidel ( ;m;)7

He was a fascist pig




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Marxism is part of Western culture. It's the combination of English political economy (e.g. Mill, Ricardo, Smith), French socialism (e.g. Fourier, Proudhon, Saint-Simon) and German philosophy (e.g. Hegel, Fichte, Feuerbach).

What is anti-Western about it?
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>>2881625
<What is anti-Western about it?
nothing, and they're retards who don't read anyway.

Because modern leftism is just a vehicle for anti-white resentment and white people built the West

Why not destroy monarchy, the Church, the family, and put a bunch of shudras in charge? Worked well for France and America lmao

>>2892671
>Because modern leftism is just a vehicle for anti-white resentment and white people built the West
leftism and marxism are not synonyms. Anyway classical marxism doesnt really say much about race anyway since its built for a western european context anyway

>>2892671
Why shouldn’t the other races resent whites?

>>2887122
>Using a soyjak automatically makes someone retarded
Obsessed wit us



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The people's comprador edition

>Iran’s top negotiator Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf says there will be no security in the region if Iran’s security is not guaranteed.

>President Donald Trump threatens that the US will bomb and destroy critical Iranian infrastructure every time Iran shoots at ships in the Strait of Hormuz.
>Iran has pledged retaliatory attacks on civilian infrastructure in the region, including bridges and energy sites.
>Iran’s Health Ministry says that at least 53 people have been killed in US strikes on the country since June 27.
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WATCH: Houthi attack on port kills four, eroding truce with Yemen’s government
Six Houthi ballistic missiles struck Yemen’s government-held al-Makha port, killing at least four and setting fire to the facility.
Recent Houthi attacks have reignited fears of all-out war in Yemen, years after a 2022 truce halted fighting with government forces.

A recap of recent developments
>Trump says he will declare the Strait of Hormuz US territory “pretty soon” while preparing a hard economic blow to force Iran into ending the war.
<In response to Trump’s threats, Iran’s deputy foreign minister says the waterway will remain Iranian and that blockade enforcement will continue until the US accepts defeat.
>Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says the Islamabad MoU marked an “end of the war, not a ceasefire”, pointing out that the US violated the deal and fighting resumed, leaving no 60-day ceasefire to extend.
<Araghchi also says negotiations between Iran and Oman regarding the Strait of Hormuz “may reach a conclusion soon”.
>Abu Dhabi National Oil Company says one of its vessels came under attack in the Strait of Hormuz on Friday, reporting no injuries and that the situation was brought under control.
<Oil prices rise more than a dollar a barrel as tanker attacks and stalled US-Iran peace talks drive Brent crude to $88.52 and US WTI to $82.40.
>CENTCOM says US forces “redirected” 62 commercial vessels in the Arabian Sea after reinstating the naval blockade of Iranian ports.

More like the strait of AMERICA 🦅🦅🦅🦅🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔


>>2892526
<Trump does not take his own claim of taking over Hormuz ‘particularly seriously’
It’s clear the US president, with a chuckle as he said that, even himself, is not taking this particularly seriously, given the fact that there is already an international waterway in the Strait of Hormuz where ships are traversing back and forth.
Also, these are the territorial waters of Iran and Oman. But what the US president likes to do is get under the skin of adversaries, and, in this case, it’s Iran.
What we should point out, though, is what the US president is not backing down on is the fact that there is a naval blockade by the United States in effect in the Strait of Hormuz, and that is ongoing.
In fact, the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said that there will be ships that will be interchanged in order to continue and prolong that naval blockade.
So, the US president is trying to exert control. What is important to point out, however, is that he said no ships are going in and out of the strait unless the US wants them to.
That’s not entirely true. What we know is that there is some traffic that is going through, but it has slowed down significantly.
https://aje.news/ztg5m7?update=4855080
>>2892525 (me)
https://aje.news/ztg5m7?update=4855065
https://aje.news/ztg5m7?update=4855079

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>Military families and service members are now describing horrific conditions across MULTIPLE ships: human waste flooding bathrooms, virtually no food, water or soap, months without port calls, exhausted crews, and no end in sight.

>This crisis appears to be far bigger than just the USS Abraham Lincoln.



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