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It seems to me that the most popular political position these days is some form of developmentalist national liberalism. Most people would like a strong but democratic state to intervene in the economy to eliminate the worst excesses of capitalism, direct investment to promote employment growth and modern industry, and generally avoid imperialist meddling or international entanglements. These kinds of positions were very popular in the 1950s and 60s, and people on the street are generally agreeable towards them.

So why do today's ideological arguments not reflect this? Why is everyone cosplaying as a fascist or a communist when their policy positions remain fundamentally liberal? Why are people turning to Sorel or Stalin for theory and not Nehru or Nasser? Why is liberalism constantly disparaged as bankrupt or illegitimate when all the alternatives to it end up looking exactly the same?
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>>2864696
> The best realistic scenario I can see is the decentralisation of power to a more local level so that (a) it's easier for leftists to obtain it and (b) each area can experiment and see what works in their specific circumstances or make the trade-offs they desire, and other areas can learn from their experiences.
socialism in one municipal district

>>2864742
You remain wrong. Puppet agents of finance capital exist in all countries on the periphery of capitalism. For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty. However, for this to be done, there is no agreement to be made with the bourgeoisie; therefore, state-owned enterprises must be used so that technology is democratized in a country that is under the control of capitalists who use blackmail against countries that do not have technological sovereignty. The solution is the use of state capitalism with state-owned enterprises competing against capitalists; this will facilitate democratization to prepare for the socialist revolution in a revolutionary situation.

This follows what Engels and Marx wrote:

<(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.


<Frederick Engels, 1847, The Principles of Communism


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

As for what to do if the petty bourgeoisie wishes to nationalize something or propose taxes, the Marxist position is not to be a lackey to deliver property into the hands of capitalists nor to defend them:

<2. They must drive the proposals of the democrats to their logical extreme (the democrats will in any case act in a reformist and not a revolutionary manner) and transform these proposals into direct attacks on private property. If, for instance, the petty bourgeoisie propose the purchase of the railways and factories, the workers must demand that these railways and factories simply be confiscated by the state without compensation as the property of reactionaries. If the democrats propose a proportional tax, then the workers must demand a progressive tax; if the democrats themselves propose a moderate progressive tax, then the workers must insist on a tax whose rates rise so steeply that big capital is ruined by it; if the democrats demand the regul
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>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports
If the workers have the world have united, where the fuck are imports coming from? Mars?!
The rest is just wishcasting. If you think that Air New Zealand has the bourgeoisie seething because it's an SOE (which incidentally furnished the country's current leader) you're delusional. If you think state ownership leads to the "democratisation of technology" just like that, you're delusional. (Quite famously one of the few good things to come out of privatisation is that waiting times for landline installation fell from 6 months to about 1 week max.) There is no inherent reason to assume state employees are benevolent. In practice public services are just as prone to empire building and cover-ups as private sector ones.
(This, incidentally, is why I am a fan of decentralisation. I am not some market dogmatist who thinks that the private sector should run all bus services, but I do think that each local area should commission the services it needs via a local council sufficiently close to the public that you can personally know someone with some decision making power. It is pointless having a national bus company subject to "democratic oversight" by an MP who also represents 80,000 other people, or to have a russian-doll system where you have to complain to your block leader, who reports to a councillor, who reports to a regional leader, who reports to a national MP, who maybe reports to the bus committee…)

Governments choose to issue public debt and do not, as a general rule have austerity enforced upon them when they are spending within their actual capacities. The last time the UK ran a surplus was in 2001, France hasn't run one since 1974, USA 2001, Germany 2019, Portugal 2025, China 2007, Indonesia 2000, Brazil 2013, Chile 2022. Greece is an unusual exception, but behaved profligately by any standard and found itself bullied by other Euro member states rather than international markets. There are only a handful of countries in the world worse off today than they were in 1980. Your just-so story about "becom[ing] a deindustrialized colony without control of any technology for the export of raw materials" is just total nonsense - most of the gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2865023
>Plants require humans, but the global share of industrial workers has stayed consistent […]
That's true to an extent but this is also because of the poor state that industries are in. Compare to China's manufacturing sector and you see that, although automation has replaced many workers, it has also created new fields for engineers alongside new jobs in more technical plants for workers.

>you cannot say the sector as a whole has declined just because you don't like its compositional changes

The composition does matter because when people complain about deindustrialization, they're complaining about losing sovereignty, losing regional jobs, losing low-skill high-value gigs and lastly losing technological savoir-faire (and the jobs that go alongside it)
More over, the general claim on deindustrialization is that it made the nation loose its economic sovereignty. It made unions powerless and stripped the state out of an effective investment potential.

>Most European countries are better off today than they were before "Deindustrialisation

You need to compare to the potential we lost rather than the state we had

> I do not consider healthcare to be welfare spending for these purposes and "Actual quality" is basically a wash

You're making a category error here

>The idea postwar keynesianism was driven because of the USSR is another just-so story

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>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty.
doesn't everyone depend on at least some imports? especially island nations without much biodiversity or ores?



 

Why is no one discussing the true ideological origins of the ideology of the Zionist entity?

Satanyahu and his genocidal settler ilk largely take their genocidal murderous ideology from the teachings of Rabbi Abraham Kook, a late 19th-early 20th century Latvian rabbi. Kook was a rabid Zio who largely based his Zionism in a mix of Talmud, Kabbalah and German idealism, specifically Hegel. He believed the Jews establishing a racialist settled-colony in Palestine was part of a mystical process of “redemption.” He came to Palestine as a settler and ended up dying there in the 1930s when Palestine was illegally occupied by the British. His thought is very Hegelian with highly fascistic overtones, and anyone can defend with Palestine must learn his thought to fully understand the genocidal nature of Isn’treal.
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This video goes over his ideology.

Israel is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic commune.

Quiet part out loud.


>>2865319
>abrahamic schizobabble



 

overthrow the US government already you fat fucks im getting bored and my life is progressively getting worst in every aspect because the economy is collapsing
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>>2859665
unless you work at a "family business"

man this thread died quick

>>2861452
did you think we were going to overthrow the US govt in a thread?

life sucks and we all deal differently

>>2859296
>overthrow the US government already you fat fucks
no, the US gov is the real movement

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I have a feeling Hegseth has the potential to become a Coriolanus. He already has the psychological traits and motivations. A commander who starts out fiercely loyal to his homeland, but through war comes to admire aspects of the enemy while growing disillusioned with his own state's political leadership and civilian society as decadent, and ungrateful. All it would take is for him to be cast aside by his own side and offered a place by the enemy and you'd have a classic Coriolanus.



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​"True, the productive forces, practice and the economic base generally play the principal and decisive role; whoever denies this is not a materialist. But it must also be admitted that in certain conditions, such aspects as the relations of production, theory and the superstructure in turn manifest themselves in the principal and decisive role."
​Mao Zedong, "On Contradiction" (August 1937)

​"This means that, on the basis of the existing productive forces and within their limits, it is the relations of production that play the decisive role. The whole of Capital, and all the works of Lenin and Mao Zedong, serve as a commentary on this thesis, which has never been recognized by Marxists."
​Louis Althusser, "On the Reproduction of Capital" / "On the Relations of Production" (written 1969-1973, published posthumously).

​"The changes and development of production always begin with changes and development of the productive forces, and in the first place, with changes and development of the instruments of production. Productive forces are therefore the most mobile and revolutionary element of production. First the productive forces of society change and develop, and then, depending on these changes and in conformity with them, men's relations of production, their economic relations, change.
​Relations of production develop depending on the development of the productive forces, but they, in their turn, react upon the development of productive forces, accelerating or retarding it. And it must be noted that the relations of production cannot postpone lagging behind the growth of the productive forces and being in contradiction to them for too long, for the productive forces can develop to the full only when the relations of production correspond to the nature and state of the productive forces and allow full scope for their development."
​Joseph Stalin, "Dialectical and Historical Materialism" (September 1938)

well well well…

Bukharin has had a greater influence on Chinese Marxism than Mao. Mao is often viewed as a rural yokel who was useful for winning the revolution, but outside of a small group of unusual, self-loathing Westerners, few people take him seriously as a Marxist theorist.

coal

>>2864992
>Bukharin has had a greater influence on Chinese Marxism than Mao.
Proof?



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We live in capitalist societies, where money and time are the fundamental resources for building power. Almost every other resource can be purchased or built from these, or will be boosted by these. Therefore, it is most vital that you make money and put it to work.

The only real limit to these money-raising methods should be, "how could this negatively affect the movement?" Consider the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery by Bolsheviks - this event's recklessness and harm to civilians seriously damaged the Bolsheviks' reputation in Georgia and among other socialists. Contrast that against the 1906 Helsinki bank robbery, the Dusheti treasury heist and the Bezdany raid by various socialist organizations, which had no citizen casualties.

If you can do so with little risk, you absolutely should be pirating entertainment media, shoplifting and investing in mutual funds.

More so, if you are not publicly affiliated with the socialist movement, and you have the means, you should be buying property, owning factories or being a landlord. If your tenants and workers aren't socialists, it's very important for you to take as much of their money as you pragmatically can and use it to combat capitalism.

Remember: the status quo is destroying more people than you could ever hope to. To do nothing is harmful.
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>>2865685
At least it's not RP. Critsup for OP

>robbery and grand theft auto
How about the stock market? That's what the visible half of porky does, isn't it? The other half does do violent heists and such, the cartels and mafias and the big bourg are one and the same in the big 2020s after all.

As a barely literate thirdoid who makes around 1800 USD a month I don't know a thing 'bout moni all I know is that on my job I get paid in the last week of the month if I work for jobsman and then I'm happy

I tried looking at the stock market a few times but there are way too many big boy words going on in there and my mind just keeps concluding it's a retarded and debauched casino to save myself some energy then I walk away everytime

>>2865965
Stock market is the best solution right now, banks don't store that much money on premises anymore. Remember that US Megachurches/Televangelists encourage all their listeners to donate 10% of their salaries to them, no matter how poor they are. Imagine if every socialist in the world saved 5% of their salary, invested it in the stock market, and let it grow so they can donate it to their party.

>>2865685
You can't larp on the internet by definition.

take out power substations in areas with gun stores. go rob the gun stores while the cameras and alarms are off. go back and kill whoever is repairing the substation. Steal their truck. Take out more substations while disguised as electricians. rinse and repeat. Distract cops and firefighters with arson then loot police and fire stations.



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Why are so many modern communists obsessed with liberal concept of indigenous rights? When communists dont believe in land ownership or inheritance.

>Body too short

>Body too short
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>>2864622
>I wanted to see if the discussion actually lead anywhere
well it could if you put as much effort into answering my questions as i put into answering your questions, but your brain won't let you.
>>2864626
don't let this anon get under your skin

>>2864643
>well it could if you put as much effort into answering my questions
Your questions were shit and required more context you failed to provide.
>>2864626
The sky is not relevant to this discussion, so no.

>>2864594
I agree that you can't just sweep things under the rug, but by definition if you have universal equal rights to employment, housing, education, etc combined with socialist relations of production then by definition you can't "reproduce those same relations" of settler colonialism and slavery. That's just a huge exaggeration. At most you might have lingering discrimination in some areas, but even just removing the capitalist basis of the economy would dramatically improve the conditions of oppressed nations in America.

>>2864691
>Your questions were shit and required more context you failed to provide.

for those who haven't read the entire conversation, these were the questions


>if you suffer a traumatic brain injury, are you the same person as before? I say no. Do you say yes?


>Does your brain produce the same behavioral outputs it would have produced had you not received any brain damage? I say no. Do you say yes?


>Does a person with brain damage process stimuli as quickly and reliably as a person without brain damage?


>I say no. Do you say yes?


>Does a person with brain damage process stimuli and produce outputs as quickly or reliably or accurately as a person without brain damage? I say no. Do you

>>2838819
>Why are so many modern communists obsessed with liberal concept of indigenous rights
because they're blood and soil SJWs hypnotized by woke hitlerism



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Hi I am sigmort I am a left chud which means I am a chud if a chud were left




I molest neo liberals,I goon to goth girls, I think about the Vietnam war, and the roman empire

DIE AMERIKKKAN TOTAL CANADIAN VICTORY

what kind of name is sigmort



 

This site has no WHOIS or RDAP available so you know what that means. They sell stahlhelm themed, 3D printed bottle covers. This is exactly the kind of kitsch shit that neofascists love to hock on X.

https://capsalute.shop/

whois capsalute.shop
Notice: Effective May 1, 2026, the WHOIS service has been retired in accordance with ICANN's RDAP transition policy. All registration data queries are now served via RDAP. The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) base URL is: https://rdap.gmoregistry.net/rdap/

rdap capsalute.shop
# Error: No RDAP servers responded successfully (tried 1 server(s))
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>>2863943
I know you're joking but unironically we should all get together and make some kind of business to appeal to rightoids and then give the profit to Palestinian charities or something

>>2863932
It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head

>>2863948
>>2863948
>It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head
😂

>>2863940
cute! idk why anyone would pay for it though

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>>2863943
we salute our heroes



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I think I finally know Trumps ideology and its called Neo-Bonapartism

Bonapartism describes a state that achieves relative autonomy from any single class by claiming to stand above class conflict entirely ruling personalistically through plebiscitary mass appeal and charismatic authority rather than through a party program or a coherent class coalition, while materially serving capital's interests without capital directly controlling the state apparatus. Bonaparte's actual regime combined: personalist rule bypassing parliamentary/institutional mediation, appeals to a cross-class "people" against both organized labor and the traditional elite, military prestige projects and adventurism as legitimation (the whole Second Empire foreign policy pattern), and state-directed economic development (Haussmann's Paris, railway financing) alongside crushing independent labor organization. That's close to a checklist match for Trump: personalist rule, state economic direction, military/security emphasis as legitimating spectacle, hostility to organized labor and the left, appeal over the heads of institutions to a plebiscitary mass base.

Bonapartism in the Marxist tradition is specifically theorized as arising when class conflict reaches a stalemate where no single class can rule directly, so an autonomous executive arbitrates from above, critically, without needing to make durable concessions to labor the way a genuinely hegemonic class-coalition government would. Gramsci's extension of the concept (he uses “Caesarism” interchangeably) is explicitly about a strong personalist arbiter stepping in during a legitimacy crisis of the ordinary political process, offering national/military grandeur and personal charisma as substitutes for programmatic concession. That's the theoretical explanation for exactly why Trumpism is anti social welfare while pro military spending Bonapartist/Caesarist rule doesn't need to buy off labor, because it's explicitly a crisis arbitration form that draws its legitimacy from personal charisma and national mythology rather than from a stable coalition requiring material payoffs.

So: Bonapartism (Marx's term) or Caesarism (Gramsci's near-synonym) is the actual name for 19th-century style personalist strongman, holistic state-directed military-industrial policy, minimal welfare concession, legitimated by charisma and national grandeur rather than institution-building or class-coalition bargaining. Specifically it explPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2863937
"More money for me, fuck you" isn't much of an ideology. Also this is old hat, the Chapotards back in 2017 were talking about the 18th of Brumaire and I think Jacobin had an article comparing Trump to Napoleon III.

I truly don’t think he has any ideology beyond sleeping, partying and eating McDonald’s. He will say and do whatever the people paying him and sucking his dick the most convince him to. He’s raised bourgeoisie, he has no thought beyond “god I hope number go up so I don’t have to actually do any work”

>>2863937
I think Bonparatism is a good descriptor for what Trump "is" but I'm not sure it's really an ideology. Egypt really has a regime like this.

Chris Cutrone gets too into contrarianism for its own sake but think he's one of the better American leftists on Bonapartism:

>Bonapartism is characterized for Marxism by precisely the inability of leading political figures to render society and the state tractable: Louis Bonaparte is the “farce,” compared to Napoleon’s (and Caesar’s) “tragedy,” because of his futility; he is not a cunning hero but a comedic villain. Where celestial forces swirl around a protagonist of Divine Fate, instead, we have the folly and error of someone who is merely “human, all-too human” (Nietzsche): not punished but merely scorned by the gods. While the conquering Napoleon summoned Goethe to insist that “there is no Destiny, only politics,” he was for Hegel nonetheless the “World Soul” of eternal History[2] when he rode his horse into town at the young professor’s first academic appointment. Louis Bonaparte is not the substantial character of political action, but a holographic projection of greater forces that neither he nor anyone else can master: “Bonapartism” is Marx/ism’s term for the self-alienation of politics in capitalism. As Marx summed it up about the plebeian masses in capitalism (petite bourgeoisie, lumpenproletariat, et al. — including workers, insofar as they are not self-organized into a social and political force of their own): they cannot represent themselves; they must be represented; they will be represented.[3] Bonapartism means the state represents everyone and no one. The state is universal but also its own particular interest.


>Police and military are “citizens in uniform” — as are bureaucrats — and hence playing a role that anyone could; and yet in capitalism they become their own specific caste apart from everyone. This is not merely a function of specialized knowledge but of role: the peculiar political role of the state in capitalism. Bureaucracy is considered by Marxism to be endemic in capitalism differently from its role in traditional civilization, which was of course a caste system that bourgeois society is not or at least is not supposed to be. Bureaucracy is a function of reification of social and political activity
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>ideology
Didn't read a word past that

>>2863937
he's just a fat pedophile landlord grifter ripping copper out of the burger reich's walls



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REAL, NOT CLICKBAIT, NOT A DRILL, THE CHICAGO POPE CRACKS DOWN

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2026-07/holy-see-decrees-excommunication-lefebrians-consecrations.html

As a result of escalating tensions revolving around some unapproved bishop appointments, it's officially happened: the Vatican has declared the tradcath Society of Saint Pius X to be schismatic and therefor not just its bishops but lay practitioners too are excommunicated. While the largest amount of tradcaths tend to congregate in America there's still plenty spread out all over the world. What are the implications of this split? Possible Antipope soon?
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>>2859714
you can cultivate it yourself. its not hard and isn't very expensive.

>>2859707
I’ve had some wild experiences on Mushrooms but I don’t think I’ve really had religious ecstasy from it.

TBH I think the “mystical” elements of religion are so completely ignored in modernity that people kind of dismiss what religious thinkers went through with “lol they must’ve been high”

Within the more mystical strains of Judaism, for example (I think you can learn more from studying “Merkevah Mysticism” or “Chariot mysticism”) there were religious/historical figures whose mystical experiences had such a profound effect on themselves that one became a “messiah” contender and disrupted Jewish society by preaching whatever their form of “heresy” is while another allegedly went incurably insane. For many of these people the experiences were so profound that many were willing to die (or, sadly, kill) for their beliefs.

So when these ancient Rabbis talk about seeing the chariot of God and going mad, I think it’s important to know that to many of these people their experiences were profoundly real.

>>2864015
I’m not a Gnostic or a scholar, but I’ve been on a Gnostic text binge lately so if you’ve got questions about Gnosticism contra Catholicism, I can try to answer as best I can.


Liberation Theology BTFO

>>2864085
>Liberation Theology BTFO
>look inside
>refutation from a theological perspective
ugh



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