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"Good" and "evil" is idealism and should be discareded, but replaced with what?
My answer is with this binary: communitary and anti-social.

Communitary actions and people are those that do things that help the group. Anti-social actions and people are those that harm the group.

Giving people food for free is communitary, stealing is anti-social.
Another useful binary is problem-solving and trouble-making.
Why do people love heroic characters? because they are portrayed as characters that solve problems, help and even save other people even at their personal expense. Why do people hate villanous characters? because they cause problems for everyone else for their own gain.
We like people that are communitary and that solve problems, we don't like people that are harmful to the group and make problems.

Then what about justice? Justice is also not real. Then what should it be replaced with? with problem solving.
If a guy kills 10 people then it doesn't matter whether he deserves to be tortured or not, what matters is whether that'd solve any problem. If not, then there's no reason to do it.
Thinking of giving criminals proper punishment is pointless, because even if you do give them the most deserving punishment you are not fixing the problem of people commiting crimes in general nor the problem of this particular person being anti-social. If effort was concentrated on the issue of problem-solving rather than justice-seeking then we'd be closer to actually solving our problems.
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>>2931961
>replace binary idealism with binary idealism
the kind of genius you can only get from stirnerkeks

>>2931961
We've already replaced them with "western" and "non-western". Didn't you get the memo?

>>2931968
>a bloo bloo i'm losing the argument, let me talk like a child
why do faggots do this so often

>>2932069
>debate pervert doesnt understand communication that isn't a competition
sad!

>>2931961
Fuck the gemeinschaft. Community is patriarchal gibberish. It's reactionary socialism.



 

You know what fuck Greece

It's time to critically supporting Erdogan and Turks since Isn'trael and Greekoids joining coalition against Turkey. Imperialistic powers want to slice Turkey even more like WW1.
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>>2931976
>Critical support Erdogan and Turks
<An intelligence agency in partnership with the CIA disguised as a government.
How about no.

>>2932178
<<An intelligence agency, a fascist paramilitary organization and a mafia in partnership with the CIA disguised as a government.*

>>2932178
ErdoGOD is against the CIA tho, that's why they tried to color revolution him 50 billion times and also the Zionists say their next war will be against Turkey. We must support ErdoGOD as he is anti imperialist.

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>>2932181
>>2932181
>ErdoGOD is against the CIA tho,
>ErdoGO is anti imperialist.
Top tier retardation.

>>2932190
>Researchers from…Progressive International
PI is literally a CIA front. Nice try Mossad.



 

So back in the days when I used to browse /pol/, this guy Noel Ignatiev used to be brought up quite a bit especially in those threads full of poorly-sourced infographics about how those Heinous Hebrews want to destroy all white babies yada yada. I remember this guy standing out particularly because his quotes always seemed to be framed as some of the most particularly vitriolic towards white people, pic related.

Out of curiosity, I decided to do some research on him, and it turns out this guy was actually a Giga. Here's some interesting episodes from his life:

>For twenty years, Ignatiev worked in a Gary, Indiana steel mill and also in the manufacturing of farming equipment and electrical components. A Marxist activist, he was involved in efforts by African American steel workers to achieve equality in the mills. In 1984, he was laid off from the steel mill, approximately a year after an arrest on charges of attacking a strike-breaker's car with a paint bomb.

>Ignatiev was accepted to the Harvard Graduate School of Education without an undergraduate degree.
>From 1986 until 1992, Ignatiev served as a tutor (academic adviser) for Dunster House at Harvard College. In early 1992, Ignatiev objected to the university's purchase of a toaster oven for the Dunster House dining hall that would be designated for kosher use only. He insisted that cooking utensils with restricted use should be paid for by private funds.
>In 2008, the American Jewish Committee objected to an encyclopedia article on Zionism that Ignatiev wrote for The Encyclopedia of Race and Racism. In the article, Ignatiev described Israel as a "racial state, where rights are assigned on the basis of ascribed descent or the approval of the superior race" and likened it to Nazi Germany and the Southern United States before the civil rights movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev

So here's one of his more inflammatory quotations that nazis like to attribute to him:
>"Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed—not "deconstructed" but destroyed".

Sounds pretty awful Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>2010s era idpol about white privilege

who cares

>>2931895
>approximately a year after an arrest on charges of attacking a strike-breaker's car with a paint bomb.
Based

>this random liberal academic Jew is actually based and shieet yo
No thanks.

https://www.negationmag.com/articles/philadelphias-race-traitor

>>2931898
ignatiev likely invented that term btw, and hated the way it ended up being used

"Though Ignatiev and Allen credited Du Bois with the concept itself, they are credited as being the first to use and promote the specific terminology of “white-skin privilege” or “white privilege” in Allen's 1965 speech to the John Brown Commemoration Committee and the previously mentioned collaboration on the essay White Blindspot. Despite his role in coining the now extremely prevalent term, Ignatiev was confused by and opposed to the connotations it had taken on when it gained popularity many decades later:

"Ted Allen and I always held that the privileges were not ultimately in the interests of white working-class people but served to subordinate them to the employing class; our aim was to challenge white supremacy in order to establish working-class solidarity. Others held that the privileges of whiteness made the white workers exploiters of the downtrodden people of the world.

As the concept of “privilege” entered the mainstream, “privilege politics” became a way of avoiding direct confrontations with the institutions that reproduce race. The focus shifted to an emphasis on scrutinizing every inter-personal encounter to unearth underlying racist attitudes and to guide people in “unlearning” them. This has developed into a tendency to strictly enforce the boundaries between the races—not only (as in the past) by white supremacists but by proponents of what might be considered black advancement.""



 

As a communist I will be voting the republicans in the midterms heres why (and also don't remove this, this is called "leftist politically incorrect" for a reason):

>Global trade has been heavily damaged for the world because of the Iran war, and previous traffs

>US elections have been delegitized since 2021 because of trump's coup attempt
>reformism is retarded I would rather live in Trump's america for a couple years then biden's for a decade
>The US is losing the Iran war and the empire is retracting from much of the middle east
>If trump secures the government, AT LEAST A BIT, he will attempt to run for 3th term causing the second american civil war to start, allowing a revolution to take place

No I will not be voting for the reformist neolib party fuck them, this is revolutionary what I am doing.
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>>2927530
I am participating in this us senate debate,love Jack wilimos.

My ultimate worry with Mr. Whatley is that he will be Zionist trump’s bulldog. Rape the working class. Mr. Cooper will just do that but with more sugary words.mr. Dublin is ineffectual and Mr. Bray thinks that negative freedom is the only one that exists.

My policy on healthcare has been consistent since day one. Nationalize it, total single-payer healthcare for everybody.

I agree with both Mr bray and Dublin that the patriot act should be abolished.

Thank you for hearing me out, tonight. Hopefully I have convinced you to vote for me on November 3rd. Not even just me, but for the international proletariat vs. the Epstein class who wants to rape common guys like you and me.



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https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2026/10/04/on-my-expulsion-from-the-communist-party-of-britain/

PAUL COCKSHOTT EXPELLED FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF GREAT BRITAIN FOR "ANTISEMITISM" AMONG OTHER THINGS

Quote:

The basis for this seems to have been that I retweeted commentary by Craig Murray and David Miller about the arson that was committed against a group of ambulances in London that belonged to a Jewish community charity. As readers may recall, the media and the Government immediately described the arson as evidence of growing antisemitism and suggested that it was probably part of a conspiracy directed by the Iranian Government. Security Minister Dan Jarvis told Parliament: “The House will be aware that the police are treating this arson attack as an antisemitic hate crime.” Prime Minister Keir Starmer described it as: “a horrific antisemitic attack”. Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood referred to it as an: “Iranian-linked firebomb attack” and an “abhorrent crime”. By July the Government’s language became considerably stronger. Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper announced sanctions on an Iran-linked group and stated that the organisation had: “publicly claimed responsibility” for attacks including “the antisemitic arson attack on four Hatzola ambulances in Golders Green in March” The same statement further asserted: “members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Qods Force … almost certainly directed IMCR attacks across Europe.” You may recall that clause 15 of the CP’s Social Media Protocol states that members should not promote antisemitic conspiracy theories or conspiracy theories based on unverifiable claims. It is evident that a conspiracy took place because, in law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a criminal offence. Arson is a crime, and three people were filmed setting fire to the vehicles. The existence of a conspiracy is therefore not unverifiable. What remained unverified was any claim about the perpetrators’ motivation, organisation, or links to a specific foreign government. At the time, responsibility for the attack remained a matter of public dispute. Government ministers advanced one interpretation of the evidence. Craig Murray advanced another. Reposting a journalist who qPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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It's genuinely very funny that the ACP is such a poison that other opportunist and social fascist parties are tearing off limbs to save the body.

>>2926561
>Communism is when we "do something"
It's so telling that all people have to fall back on to make these vapid defenses of indefensible parties everywhere. is just parroting the US Democratic Party.

>>2931515
So what’s the positive, defensible alternative to all the social chauvinist opportunist parties? I don’t see any successful PPWs happening but maybe I’m stupid, they never outright lose but they seem to just slowly dwindle into irrelevance especially as the peasants become proletarianized, move into the cities, and lose the farmland that could theoretically feed a People’s Army

>>2929732
>The western "left" are fascists who are also soy and weak.
>See Azov Battalion
Mhmm sure. See when this started I was like well at least these guys will get killed and then Russia traded their command structure captured at Mariupol back to Ukraine for Medvedchuk while having ranted about executing them all for months, and now it's no longer a battalion but, like, three brigades so ꑭAzovꑭ is now way bigger.

>>2929732
>The western "left" are fascists who are also soy and weak.
<proceeds to list right wingers
ah but you put scare quotes around "left" implying therefore that they are, above all else, the leftmost people in the west. very good. amazing opinion. very cool. there is nobody in the entire west to the left of the azov battalion. nope. don't even try to investigate this claim. it's irrefutable. pack it up.

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>>2931516
Your main question was already answered by Lenin a century ago:
>It is impossible to carry out the tasks of Socialism at the present time, it is impossible to achieve real international unity of the workers, without a determined rupture with opportunism and explaining to the masses the inevitability of its bankruptcy.
<The War and Russian Social-Democracy
Even if you believe that these Parties aren't completely opportunist, and have revolutionary elements, Lenin said:
>It is absolutely essential to split the most revolutionary elements off from the 'centre'; this can be done only by the ruthless criticism and exposure of the 'centrist' leaders. The organizational break with the 'centre' is an absolute historical necessity.
<Theses on the Basic Tasks of the Communist International
The main task is to unite around revolutionary ideology, and in so doing rupture with and isolate revisionism, opportunism, and social chauvinism. The solution certainly isn't to just join an existing Party because you can't be bothered to do the hard work of organizing a revolutionary force that can supplant its influence among the genuinely revolutionary sections of the population. Unity is a great thing, but we need to discern between the unity of Revolutionary Communist forces and the unity of "Communists" with opportunists:
>Unity — a great cause and a great slogan! But the workers' cause requires the unity of the Marxists and not the unity of the Marxists with the opponents and distorters of Marxism.
<Unity & Disruption of Unity Under Cover of Outcries for Unity
The revolutionary forces must grasp the roots of the opportunism which exists in their countries, and struggle against it to build the subjective forces for revolution. Within countries like the UK and US this root was already identified by Lenin and the Comintern:
>I would like to say only a few words about Comrade Crispien…. His speech is a most important document, and expresses explicitly the political line of the Right wing of the Independent Social-Democratic Party.
>Since we have a good revolutionaryPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Yo uhh chud here
The normies started using chud to mean fat and lazy and now I can't self insert as a chud
Do you have new slang that you use to make fun of rightoids that I could use to self insert? Thanks
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Wait why are you guys kind of based

>>2931754
>nooo don't associate my heckin' niche terminology for rightoids with fat losers
how is this not a good thing

I mean you can call yourself a jakker if you really hate yourself

Kek, off to /siberia/

just call yourself a chinlet instead



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Recently I've been thinking about why people believe in things, why they act or think in one way or the other. I am now leaning towards "people believe in X or Y to justify killing people".

I really hate to be a doomer or use my fee-fees for opinions but all the drama on twitter, all the bullshit i see on the internet or irl is getting to me

I spent a bit reading up on people's opinions, on some historical massacres, the genocides in sudan, palestine, the cultural revolution and the blood spilled there, the horrible crimes committed in the name of capital or communism or liberation or fascism and I think I understand a bit more about people now.

My dad and I often argue about one thing or another - and i love the man, but he is stubborn and old - and one of those arguments was about empathy. I argued that it is intrinsic, and not just a learned behavior. He argued against it, and now I think he was right

People dont *really* care about achieving a political goal (tho some do). What they care about is justifying their behavior. And most people are crude, violent apes, who behave accordingly. In every age people thought they were the enlightened Modern Man - free of the barbarity of the past. They thought that as they murdered their neighbours, raped children and whatever. So many people just want a group they can hate - whether its brown people, trans people, jews, women, atheists, muslims. Anyone who isnt you, basically.

Doesnt matter which political belief, doesnt matter who or what you are, doesnt matter where or when you live. Most people just want an US and a THEM, and the more of THEM that are subject to violence the better.

How can i begin believing in humanity again when hate mobs kill transhumanists like me, when soldiers murder, steal and rape all over the globe, when people all around the world justify the deaths of innocent people because of how or where they were born?

Why is it so hard for people to see others as people?

>>2928470
>empathy. I argued that it is intrinsic, and not just a learned behavior
we have literal toddler study showing empathy is intrinsic, as well as a sense of justice and sharing (meaning naturally, humans feel everyone should have the same share of something obtained without effort)

>And most people are crude, violent apes, who behave accordingly

our social advancement outpaced our biological one, but I feel thats still a very reductive view

>Most people just want an US and a THEM, and the more of THEM that are subject to violence the better.

thats quite simply not true. Hence the need for intensive propaganda to do shit like that. Vast majority of people are naturally quite chill.

>How can i begin believing in humanity again

you dont have to "believe", humans are capable of both awesome and awful shit, and this is all mostly dependent on their circumstances

>>2928470
I feel the same, I think this is a form of traumatic knowledge in the psychoanalytic sense, which a lot of people deny or disavow. But if humanity were as good as we hoped, then you would not need to believe in it, you would simply know it; belief is a choice, and if you have free will then you also have a responsibility to act ethically, and you should choose to believe, if that's really the code you live by. To sit back and speak of the way things ought to be and how people ought to live is a perverse pleasure, and the pleasure we experience from merely speaking these things subsumes our drive to actually act ethically.

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Killing people because of some moral justification you give whatever it is because we good and they bad

>>2928470
People are really fucking bored under capitalism. The capitalists are bored and the proles are tired and bored. Like Sparta, a slave society eventually becomes extremely dull.

>>2928470
> I really hate to be a doomer or use my fee-fees for opinions but all the drama on twitter
none of it's real go the fuck outside



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>multinational federation
>political system fails to adapt to changing political economic conditions and shifting global alliances
>bureaucratic cliques of conservative managers cling to power
>use increasingly authoritarian and censorious security measures to stave off decline of the system
>contradictions give legitimacy to nationalist opportunists
>union implodes and suffers a horrible economic collapse, many die from deprivation and despair
>be european union, pic unrelated
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>>2931892
Socialist internationalism is good. Bourgeois internationalism is bad. Simple as.

>>2931892
Have you seen the laws on communism in EU countries mate?

>>2931927
there is not a single eu directive involving communism

What is stopping EUroaches from doing a revolution and instituting a DotP?

>>2931938
revolutions are for the underclasses and the downtrodden meanwhile europeans are what the rest of species can only aspire to be



 

Is picrel final proof idpol has gone too far?

Since when are we supposed to show solidarity with narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths? Isn’t it clear that said mentalities are cultural products of capitalism?

Also, comparing narcissism to autism is bullshit. No one is born a narcissist.

Is this the final boss of idpol or the time when idpol finally jumps the shark for good?
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>>2931881
A cop wouldn't be beating that person in the first place if he had actual empathy for him.

>>2931769
What? Nazism is built on biology.

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>>2931681
>Random reddit post with a dozen upvotes
>"Has idpol gone too far???"
OP has absolutely nothing to say or contribute to the revolutionary movement so all he does is winge and complain about completely irrelevant shit.

>>2931681
>anarchist “theory” everyone




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I'm specifically talking about atheist racists who want to prove there are superior and inferior races.
My main argument is that racists are given platforms to spread pseudo-science but basically no real scientists fights them out of fear of being grouped in with them and losing their reputation. No respected biologist wants to be known as the "racism debate guy" and this creates a lack of pushback.

I have yet to find a single intelligent "race realist", it's pretty much all ramblings about supposed hatred against whites and jewish conspiracies. On the flip side however I have not found any serious intellectuals actually contending with these ideas. Real scientists seem to not care about this topic whatsoever. Race "realists" are given free roam to spread propaganda with zero pushback.

Basically what I'm asking for is what are some intelligent discussions on biology in the context of race. The only really decent *popular* video I've seen is "the bell curve" by shaun but shaun is not a scientist and one video is not enough. There was another guy who I remember made good videos debunking these ideas but he had a heavy accent (perhaps german?) and I have not been able to find him since.

>It's because of censorship that this topic is not debated more!

I think the censorship angle actually works to the benefit of the racist as they are allowed to spread propaganda with zero recourse while an actual scientist engaging with them marks them to be endlessly harassed and looked down upon by other intellectuals for giving a racist a platform.

>I'm from /pol/ and race is real because of this chart I saw

I want someone with an actual interest in science not a 15 year old who just found out dylann roof exists.
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>>2931694
It took me 2 seconds to google "Israel Cohen Communist" and I found out:

-This purported quote was originally claimed as sourced from a work titled "A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century"
-Israel Cohen has never written any work titled "A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century", nor can any such publication be found in any library anywhere in the world, nor has he written any work related to Communism, or American race relations
-The quote was tracked down in its first appearance to come from an aide to Senator Joseph McCarthy named Eustace Mullins, who claimed to have copied it from a publication in the Library of Congress
-When asked to produce the publication in question, he claimed he could not locate his files. When The Washington Star offered to help him track down the "files", he evaded the question and said that he was too busy with other matters to help
-A subsequent search of the Library of Congress showed that no publication titled "A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century" was known to either the Library of Congress or the National Union Catalogue (which indexed holdings across 800 principal U.S. libraries)

>>2931766
right wingers always lie. debunking their claims doesn't work on them because their ideology is based on pure id. never forget this

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>>2931774
I know, but it's not for his sake, I just like making spooks vanish.

>>2931777
haha, spook'd

>>2931766
Google searching random right wing charts and finding that 99% of them are just flat out lies is unironically what made me go from apolitical to leftist. It's genuinely baffling, you can just do like 2 mins of research on any rw meme and it's always a lie.



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