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>>2843564
Look at the CPGB-ML or the WSWS guys. Neither Harpal Brar nor David North have made any theoretical innovations. They are (or were, Brar is dead now) business owners.

>>2842804
>workers already have class consciousness
can they hurry up with the revolution then?

>>2842505
was polpot the first communizer?

>>2844083
Then I guess his critique was against the Italian Communist Left, primarily against the various ICP's. This would make sense as he specifically calls them out in the text. Either way, I think this text of his is one of the best critiques against the party form.

>>2844150
Slow and steady wins the race!

>>2844151
No, that was just a dictatorship with a planned economy centered around commodity production.

>>2844350
>Slow and steady
why? they already got class consciousness what else do these fuckers need?



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> bro socialism caused millions to die
> so did capitalism
> bro that’s completely different bro, like you need to see the context bro. It’s more complicated than that, and without capitalism bro we wouldn’t have the luxuries we have.
>bruh
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>>2844138
sir i am a sober man in his 30s with a family. but i am smart enough to know that crime is a byproduct of poverty, and that the US prison system exists to enslave, and that pigs plant drugs on homeless people, and that the CIA flooded the cities with crack. i have an empathy first approach when it comes to the victims of this society, be they the crackheads, or the working class families who have to step over them on the way to work. but not the pigs.

>>2844146
>so are you saying the cops are a part of the problem in places like this? I can see it.
imagine if firefighters secretly started fires in order to get higher budgets? That's how crooked cops are with crime.

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>>2844149
yeah it's cringe and i wouldn't do it but people just react to the pile of shit they live in. even the ancient romans scribbled graffiti on everything.

>>2844155
>LA and philadelphia are essentially like 3rd world countries, correct?
well if you look at a lot of third world countries they are very poor but the streets are cleaner because the people there are fit, sober, disciplined and have respect for their society

>i guess maybe im being close minded and imagining all leftists as college students


i just want socialism. for me that means an end of a society that centers around profit, money, and exploitation.

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20 million people die due to capitalism every year. Capitalism kills more people than any alleged death toll attributed to communists in over a century, every 5 years. That doesn't even go into the actual politically motivated murders, colonialism, etc



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Ibn Khaldun already had a labor theory of value and theory of evolution in 1377:

https://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Muqaddimah-by-Ibn-Khaldun-Translated-by-Franz-Rosenthal.pdf

Evolution:
>The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.

Labor Theory of Value:
>Now, as we shall mention, labor is the real basis of profit. When labor is not appreciated and is done for nothing, the hope for profit vanishes, and no (productive) work is done. The sedentary population disperses, and civilization decays.

HOW WAS HE SO BASED?
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>>2818672
>i'd argue both existed in some form in the roman period
elaborate

>>2818388
>and theory of evolution in 1377:
This is amazing.

>had a labor theory of value

This is retarded.

>>2818388
>At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.
Heraclitus already makes the same point (500 BCE):
<The wisest man is an ape compared to God, just as the most beautiful ape is ugly compared to man.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Heraclitus_(annotated)
>Now, as we shall mention, labor is the real basis of profit
Khaldun contradicts himself in Muqadimmah (Ch. V) as regards the nature of profit (ribh) as we may read from section IX:
<It should be known that commerce means the attempt to make a profit by increasing capital, through buying goods at a low price and selling them at a high price, whether these goods consist of slaves, grain, animals, weapons, or clothing material. The accrued (amount) is called "profit" (ribh). The attempt to make such a profit may be undertaken by storing goods and holding them until the market has fluctuated from low prices to high prices. […] Therefore, an old merchant said to a person who wanted to find out the truth about commerce: "I shall give it to you in two words: Buy cheap and sell dear.
https://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ik/Muqaddimah/Chapter5/Ch_5_09.htm
The classical LTV maintains that surplus labour leads to profit by selling goods at their value, not above their value. The "profit" incurred from labour is also used very generally as an adjective of gain, where "ma'ash" appears synonymous with ribh (Section II):
https://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ik/Muqaddimah/Chapter5/Ch_5_02.htm

>>2818714
>>2844087
Sources on Aquinas' theory of value can be give thricefold; "A Letter on Credit Sales and Usury" (1262), Summa ii.ii.77 (1274), Summa ii.ii.78 (1274). In the first case, Aquinas speaks of Just Price (worth/value) as opposed to "usury", which he defines as setting an additional price upon a good for the delay of payment. Aquinas later presents the injustice of this being in the lack of substance attached to time; he does not say what defines justice here, but only injustice, which is not selling a thing what it is worth. Later, we move on to the Summa - in the first case, Aquinas clearly borrows his viewpoint from Augustine (De Civ. Dei xi, 16, 426 CE):
<according to the utility each man finds in a thing, there are various standards of value, so that it comes to pass that we prefer some things that have no sensation to some sentient beings […] even when valued by men themselves (whose nature is certainly of the highest dignity), more is often given for a horse than for a slave, for a jewel than for a maid […] the former considers what value a thing in itself has in the scale of creation, while necessity considers how it meets its need
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120111.htm
Value to Augustine is thus twofold, between natural worth (in the order of creation by reason) and pleasure. Aquinas uses the same terminology in Summa ii.ii.77:
<the price of things salable does not depend on their degree of nature, since at times a horse fetches a higher price than a slave; but it depends on their usefulness to man.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3077.htm
So then, price to Aquinas depends on usefulness, which is also directly caused by the substance of things:
<Gold and silver are costly not only on account of the usefulness of the vessels and other like things made from them, but also on account of the excellence and purity of their substance.
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>>2818388
Guanzi, Chapter 13: "Eight Observations" (《管子・八観第十三》). wealth would not be produced without people exerting efforts. All wealth under heaven grows out of exertion of strength; strength grows out of exertion of the physical body."
The Revival of Religious Knowledge (Ihya 'Ulum al-Din), Imam Al-Ghazali
a broker could hardly be able to dispense with telling lies, and overvaluing a commodity, just to publicize it on the one hand, and in view of the lack of adequate estimation of the work done in it, which sometimes might be little and sometimes much on the second hand, and it is not the work itself but the price of the sold thing that is given priority in assessing a broker's charge on the third hand. This is practice, which is, to be sure, a kind of injustice, for indeed, it is the amount of effort exerted that should be considered."



 

Hello friends,

My party has been critically studying the socialist superstructure with emphasis in the USSR for a while now. It has also set as it's goal, among others, in our last Congress the examination of the Chinese Revolution as whole, of the socialist development and of the eventual restoration of capitalism. I think I can contribute a lot by taking on a study of the historicio-philosophical Cultural Revolution and it's contradictions on occasion of the 60th and 50th anniversary of it's beggining and end respectivly. I have some, but I need more bibliography. Both maoist and ctirical sources towards the cultural revolution (but obviously from a marxist pov and not bourgeois propaganda) are welcome!
Thanks in advance!
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>>2843087
>The Cultural Revolution was actually a ploy to destroy worker's communes
Gotta hand it to you, that's a new one. Too bad it's a bald-faced lie though.

>>2841979
>>2842746
I am a Marxist-Leninist and I respect the Cultural Revolution and defend it against the narrative of capitalists and revisionists who invent excuses to justify class conciliation.

From what I know, the book "The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village" by Dongping Han is a better book that writes about the era than Gao Mobo.

I searched and I think I found a link to this text available on the internet if you want to read it:

http://www.socialiststories.com/en/writers/Han-Dongping/The-Unknown-Cultural-Revolution-Dongping-Han.pdf

>>2842746
Truth nuke.
If someone is in mostly ignorance (non-pejorative) of a thing they'd always be better served just using a search engine, rather than asking leftypol. For most things.

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the cultural revolution was college brats persecuting actual communists for knowing too much science and economics. look at the way those mobbed up radlibs treated actual veterans of the global antifascist war.

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CCP is not communist and China is not socialist



 

Cuba’s Communist Party approves emergency economic plan opening to private enterprise
The plan would expand opportunities for private enterprise and create measures to attract additional foreign investment, including from Cubans abroad. It could also set the stage for private real estate development ⁠on the Caribbean island and the ⁠transformation of state-owned businesses ⁠into private commercial ventures with shares and equity stakes. It would also ‌allow private banks to enter Cuba’s once state-dominated ‌finance ‌sector.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/18/cubas-communist-party-approves-opening-economy-in-unprecedented-move
https://archive.ph/lSOWa

HSI arrests Colombian influencer after filing criminal charges against De la Espriella
US migration authorities arrested a prominent Colombian influencer after filing criminal charges against far-right presidential candidate Abelardo de la Espriella. According to video sent to Colombian journalists, Beto Coral was arrested by four agents of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) at his home in Arizona. In a message to Senator-elect Wally Rodriguez, Coral said that he was told by one of the agents that the order to arrest him had come straight from State Secretary Marco Rubio.
https://colombiareports.com/hsi-arrests-colombian-influencer-after-filing-criminal-charges-against-de-la-espriella/

Israel demarcates expanded Lebanon occupation zone, challenging US-Iran pact
Israel has rejected calls to withdraw ​troops from southern Lebanon, which it invaded in March in response to rocket fire by Hezbollah. Israeli attacks and the destruction of villages have killed thousands and set off a ​displacement crisis.Hezbollah has continued to launch attacks on Israeli positions in the south this week, including with explosive drones that have killed and injured ⁠troops.
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it's never been more over

Republicans blast Trump's Iran agreement as details emerge
U.S. President Donald Trump's interim deal to end the Iran war met scorching public criticism from some of his fellow Republicans as copies of the signed agreement circulated on Capitol Hill on Thursday. One Republican senator called the framework pact announced this week the "worst foreign ​policy blunder in decades," another said some reported provisions seemed "ill-advised," and some pro-Republican commentators also broke with Trump over the agreement.
https://www.reuters.com/world/republicans-blast-trumps-iran-agreement-details-emerge-2026-06-18/

Teamsters federal monitorship ending after 37 years
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters has been subject to oversight since 1989, when it signed a consent decree aimed at eliminating the mob's influence in the union. "Being the general president of the Teamsters, if I even think it, they want to indict me over it," Teamsters president Sean O'Brien joked on his podcast in early 2025 about the union's lingering image.
https://www.axios.com/2026/06/17/teamsters-sean-o-brien-federal-oversight
https://archive.ph/1AYfR

Democratic socialist Janeese Lewis George to be next mayor of Washington DC
Democratic socialist Janeese Lewis George is slated to be the next mayor of Washington DC after her opponent conceded on Thursday. Lewis George, a city council member, ran on a platform of expanding childcare, education and housing, and revoking the district’s cooperation with federal immigration enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/18/janeese-lewis-george-dc-mayor

Susan Collins Ads Brag About $190 Million for Rural Hospitals. It’s a Band-Aid on the Gaping Wound She Helped Inflict
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Colombia in the Eye of “El Tigre”
On Monday, June 8, I received terrible news from my friend Rosa, a youth activist and the founder of three community gardens in the impoverished neighborhoods of northern Bogotá. Thugs had destroyed one of their spaces, the Pollinators’ Garden in Suba. Emboldened angry men with machetes, shovels, and axes chopped down tomate de árbol and avocado trees, multiplying banana fronds and fruit, lavender, rue, kale, oregano, basil, and many other vegetables and herbs. I wept when I saw photos of the dry brown earth where once I had walked with her and her friends through the overflowing, tangled green. “They weren’t afraid of anything,” said Rosa (whose name has been changed for anonymity). “They did it in broad daylight.” I commiserated. “It’s as if their guy has already won,” she added. Colombia’s second round of elections this Sunday will steer the country into one world or another: a feast of hatred, exclusion, violence, or a continuation of an imperfect progressive experiment. After the first round, on May 31, Senator Iván Cepeda of the leftist Pacto Histórico had 9.64 million votes, and lawyer Abelardo de la Espriella, a newcomer to politics with neofascist aesthetics, unexpectedly pulled ahead, with 10.31 million votes. The candidate in third place, Paloma Valencia, a traditional conservative originally favored by former right-wing President Álvaro Uribe, was eliminated.
https://jacobin.com/2026/06/colombia-election-cepeda-abriella-trump

Resignation letter of top Party for Socialism and Liberation cadre Walter Smolarek
I have been a member of this organization for 17 years, more than half of my life. When I first joined, I used to sneak out of my parents' house to attend Party meetings and had to open a P.O. box to receive Party literature. I spent years building Party branches in various cities — Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Asheville, Baltimore, Louisville, Lexington and elsewhere. I was elected to the Central Committee three times, and before that was an observer present at every CC meeting for seven years. I worked for over four years on the Loud & Clear podcast alongside Brian Becker, then later on The Socialist Program. When the National Communications Department was established in 2022, I was made its director, and I havePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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They refuse to be nuanced. Everything is "West bad, East Good", no matter the context, no matter what they do. It's evidently not ideologically informed but simply globe-level tribalism. There should be nothing difficult about saying, for instance, that in the context of the US vs Cuba, Russia is in the right, whereas in the context of Russia vs Ukraine, Russia is in the wrong.
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>On top of that, I doubt most people here would actually enjoy to live in Russia or Iran, especially considering half of you are gay or trans. You would get beaten up by Putinists daily for being atheist communist faggots.

i already live in a third world country retard.

>>2835509
>>2835515
>I don't care about historical contex
People are still taking OP seriously after this confession

>>2842800
Il not saying it because it's intellectually defensible but tactically. "Muh historical conditions" is second only to "muh material conditions" in campist infinite goalpost moving for why totalitarian fascist regimes are defnesible to the end of time so long as they oppose the USA.

>>2842750
Do you enjoy it though?

>>2843797
>victims of us imperialism are all equally totalitarian and fascist and if you explain to me how the current situation came about i'll plug my ears



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


<Hollyweird Edition


OP Backup Site: https://usapol.neocities.org/
💀 ICE & Prison Resources

(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

ICE tracker using public info and user submissions // https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
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>>2843449
Atp you need any pussy you can get.

>>2843458
explanation?

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>>2843456
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>>2843457
>0% black support
He isn't making it out of the primary lmao



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>>2843642
>AOCIA by contrast is actively aspiring to be the next Adolf Hitler
Okay that's hot

>>2843641
I want to stick my nose between those tits and breathe deeply.

>>2843551
Absolutely did happen with a gaynazi flag doing it. Promoted him and everything. Only got embarrassed when he turned into the biggest zionist shill in congress and had to fix house that you did not support him

>>2843518
I can understand critiquing AOC from the left, but if you’re actually debating whether a Democrat or a Republican would materially harm this country less you’re too stupid to be voting.

>>2843963
>I can understand critiquing AOC from the left, but if you’re actually debating whether a Democrat or a Republican would materially harm this country less you’re too stupid to be voting.
If you say this in usapol the thread will fill up



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The isolation and vilification of Ireland for its principled anti‑Zionist stance is not a spontaneous eruption of diplomatic friction alone; it is a calculated, multifaceted campaign of psychological warfare to divide, sway and dominate a nation. This offensive is waged by a convergent triad of hostile actors, British intelligence, the Mossad, the CIA, and a network of far‑right, British white‑nationalist NGOs and individuals that have cynically repurposed reactionary anti‑socialist and anti‑immigrant politics as a vehicle for Zionist pro-imperialist counter‑insurgency. To comprehend the ferocity of this assault, one must first grasp the historical and material basis for Ireland’s solidarity with the colonized, and then examine the specific mechanisms through which these forces seek to isolate, delegitimize, and demoralize a nation that refuses to bow to the dictates of empire.


The Republic of Ireland’s consistent opposition to Zionism is not a matter of mere sentiment or diplomatic fashion; it is rooted in a shared material experience of colonial subjugation. The partition of Ireland in 1921 created a sectarian statelet, and the subsequent struggle for national liberation forged a political culture deeply suspicious of settler‑colonial projects. As Irish historian Rory Miller notes, Ireland has long framed its foreign policy through the lens of anti‑colonial solidarity, a stance that has placed it increasingly at odds with the expansionist policies of the Israeli state and the rest of western Europe. This has manifested in concrete and apparent actions, in late 2024, Israel responded to Ireland’s “anti‑Israel” position by closing its embassy in Dublin, a punitive measure that underscored the depth of the rupture. In January 2025, Ireland further escalated by formally joining South Africa’s genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice, a move that transformed diplomatic tension into a direct legal challenge to the apartheid regime.

The counter‑offensive against Ireland’s solidarity with Palestine is not a spontaneous reaction; it is a coordinated psychological operation. The Mossad has long maintained a dedicated psychological warfare department, known as the “LAP” (Lohamah Psichlogit), responsible for propaganda, deception, and information manipulation and quite honestly it's likely they deploy false flags or narrative structuring (gaslighting) through attacks that already naturally occur - we Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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This is the 2nd thread I'm bumping raw dawg.

>>2837067
>The real Irish
Hail Hitler!

>>2841780
You thought I was a Zigger lmao. I also hate brown hitlerites. I cheered when Irianian workers burned down mosques and killed police. You are a retard and the thread was made by a retard Irish nationalist.

>>2839421
>no mention of communism or the proletariat
Anon knows the meta otherwise his email gets filtered and sent straight to the trash

>>2839421



 

How do we feel about social media accounts run by adults that are dedicated to children? Including parents who routinely post their children online and document every little aspect of their lives?

Is it pedo bait?

Should it be made illegal? Seems like very blatant child exploitation.
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>>2842449
There is actual CP spammed on this website too. They were probably faster about removing it on 8ch. 8ch openly cooperated with the police. The delisting was for their pedo board which is as I described.

>>2842377
That is one ugly Mexican kid.

You can’t enforce laws that ban people from posting content on social media.

>>2842433
Youth liberation

>>2843576
I mean, if you think CP is so evil that no measure is unnecessary to stop it, then you’re conceding the point of the censors which is that a police state is needed to stop CP.

Either stop paying lip-service to the spook and realise it’s a nothingburger, or accept the censorship. There’s no middle ground here.



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