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I'm really new to politics. What I understood so far is:

socialism: social property of the "means of production" (it can be both democratic or revolutionary)
communism: stateless and classless society
marxism: a sociopolitical and economic analysis of society based on the idea that class struggle under capitalism will eventually lead to a socialist and then communist society

They are different concepts, but can work in a same framework depending on how you define them.

Am I right?
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>>2795866
>decisions have to be planned by rationality and reason not by popularity.
Humans are not rational agents. And indeed, society is such a large organism that it is impossible for society to collectively plan production without competing interests existing. We've seen the 20th century play out, we know a rationally planned economy is not possible.
I think it would be better for producers and consumers to work out their interests and plan locally according to their needs, but I don't think a planned, centralized communist society is possible.

>>2796793
>we know a rationally planned economy is not possible.
only if the richest half of the world refuses to have a revolution for some reason

>>2796793
we're already under a planned economy if you look at how huge business functions,it's just built for profit

>>2796793
>I think it would be better for producers and consumers to work out their interests and plan locally according to their needs
That's basically what I wrote though, you just don't want to say it should function rationally because some people won't be rational but that's expected, nobody is pushing idealism to say all humans are rational. But humans should strive to make rational decisions.

>>2796954
Also Fichte already answered the question of contradiction of interests, its compromise or conflict.


 

I've been reading a book about the limits of science, one of it's topics is about the idea of chaos and how complex system cannot be fully know to us or controlled, that does it imply that a planned economy is theoretically impossible for us? What is the answer from socialist about this problem? After that question I'm starting to lean towards a market socialism to deal with the question economy complexity, what's is the LeftyPol answer to the question of economic complexity?

BUmperino

The economy is only limited by the division of labour. If you allow for more specialised labour to flourish, it is harder to control.

>>2796739
You put an ultimatum on something that hasn't even been structured for an attempt, planned production isn't impossible, you fell for the same bullshit premise as "economic miscalculation problem".

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>>2796739
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another staged assassination attempt. Trump didn't want to hear jokes at his expense and it gives him the excuse to build his ballroom. There will probably be many more stunts like this. they even had CIA actor Erika Kirk there to bring the community theatre level theatrics. anything to distract from the files. his face here says "yep, i did it again"
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nobody thinks its real. another psyop

>>2793456
Fuck off Maupin

>>2793456

Z tag, q-anon swag.

>>2793155
It's insane how much of it is literally in plainsight. It's so obvious they all recieved the same memo and do it for the same check.
Wasn't it revealed that half of them were indian dudes paid to do this too ?

>>2793173
No, he's just ready for it. For someone of his character and at his age, martyrdom is a preferred method.


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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2792559
I never said I am not a degenerate western man. Okay, maybe a good article explaining the situation?

>Mali’s Defence Minister General Sadio Camara has been killed amid coordinated attacks in military sites across the country, sources told Al Jazeera.

>The news on Sunday came a day after his house in the garrison town of Kati came under attack the previous day.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/26/malis-defence-minister-sadio-camara-killed-amid-coordinated-attacks

>>2792439
Wagner are extremly incompetent and failing to beat the Jihadis, the Jihadis were helped by Ukraine for a bit, but most of their support is local, they're winning because Mali and Wagner is corrupt.
>>2793010
https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20260426-new-fighting-erupts-in-north-mali-s-kidal-as-army-clashes-with-rebels
Mali is withdrawing from some key cities, the end of this war is probably a de facto independant islamic state in Northern Mali, don't think they'll be able to take the rest of the country.

>>2793448
>Wagner are extremly incompetent and failing to beat the Jihadis, the Jihadis were helped by Ukraine for a bit, but most of their support is local, they're winning because Mali and Wagner is corrupt.
wagner (actually its called africa corps now) is mostly light infantry, the problem isnt that they're incompetent or corrupt (although they likely are, given they're mercenaries fucks), the problem is they dont have much heavy equipment or air support and arent many (and the most skilled guys prolly were kept in russia for the war). They're a small support force mostly there to help with shit like training or radio jamming
And I suspect france is helping the jihadist too. Just after france was kicked out mali had managed to retake kidal, a feat french military never helped with, and now they're becoming stronger and striking back and there were report of ukrainians helping them out, so its safe to assume the west empire is backing them as retaliation for the sahel states giving them the boot and nationalizing shit.

>the end of this war is probably a de facto independant islamic state in Northern Mali
thats the situation since more than a decade at this point

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Suriyak got some intel from Wagner: sadly the Malian gouv strategy seems to be like Assadist Syria, with "repositioning and defense" to protect the main centers of power and leaving the rest of the country to rebels


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>FBI agents used a pry bar to enter the Metro Learning Center on 13th Avenue South in Minneapolis just before 7 a.m. on Tuesday.

>The day care in the Phillips neighborhood was one of several across the Twin Cities metro area where federal authorities simultaneously carried out search warrants.

>State records identify the owner of Metro Learning Center as Abdullahi Musse.

>Some time after entering the business, investigators could be seen handing paperwork to a man who responded to that name when approached by 5 INVESTIGATES.

>“Nothing I know,” he said when asked about the FBI operation. He insisted his day care was still serving children and families.

>The Minnesota Department of Human Services cited Metro Learning Center in January for failing to update a background check on one member of its staff.

>So far, federal authorities have not commented about the nature of their search warrant.

>The early morning operation captured the attention of neighbors in the area which also includes other Somali-owned businesses and an Islamic Center.
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feds just take tips from myths at this point, lefty pol's servers are almost ready to get raided because of Houdini

We know what goes on in these ideological enclaves. Too bad the feds are there for money instead of protecting kids (surprise surprise.)

>>2796169
Ah yes, the people's flag could be deepest red with the potential blood of our martyred dead, except it's not.

Belongs in /usapol/


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What’s the material condition pedos gets caught in 4K all the time and rarely gets arrested?

Infamous examples famous lolcow EDP getting caught by predator hunters twice(Low-effort)
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>>2796507
probably labor aristocrat tbh

>>2796476
Great, we're getting pointless 'what is the materialist explanation for my pointless autistic fixations' threads again.
I really hate jannies.

>>2796507
>>2796644
The law can't explicitly give the bourgeoisie amnesty from crimes. Often the laws are written so that in practice they're exempt, but in this case making it so that porky can't get busted simply for being on Epstein's Island "looking for a wild party" also means that fully grown adults trying to meet kids IRL is hard to convict.

>>2796476
Because it's mostly online chats with a decay, not like them actually fucking kids, and if you see what most of them look like no teen or even adult would be fucking them willingly, hence the desperation to fall for the bait.

>>2796882
>Decay
decoy*


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I was talking to a lumpen worker happy that a liberal socialdemocrat won the election, he thinks that the succdem is a "man of the people, he will fix everything". And we talked for a bit yelling. But it got me thinking, the lumpen had no problem with the ruling class as long as his needs were met, and for the large part even in spite of the miserable manual labour - were being met. So why do we demand an economy of needs - production planned on needs "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" if capitalism already fulfills their needs? They will still work, not for wages but it would be the same jobs. Its just that the drive for profit and class causes damage to the planet and misery for the manual laborers but as long as their needs are met they don't really care. They don't want planned production they want somebody else to think for them and most have just accepted their roles in contempt so feel no need for a DOTP - ruling is somebody else's problem to them.
Plus the lumpen laugh at the size of the "real movement" - how many are you? You're too little to change anything.
Lumpens do admire China but China doesn't care for anything besides its own citizens.(Why the fuck was this reported?)
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>>2788173
>OP said that she's defining lumpen as working class who lack class consciousness.
Well good for her she's wrong.

>>2787801
There's something to be said for having a designated outlet for the absolute disdain I feel towards liberalism at any given moment. This is that outlet for me.

But also NewsAnon's posts are nice. Those are consistently neat.

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>>2796332
gemerald

Reminder that the idiot jannys decided actively thst this was a quality post.


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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2792803

antz is way bettter

>>2792061
>more racist
And how does that matter? It is still good they won.

>>2792070
Kill yourself, Baal-worshipping cannibalistic Epsteinite.

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>>2792070
>Cuba's age of consent is 12

Wrong, its 18.

universal healthcare would bankrupt the US, since there are so may unhealthy people living there. You can only have healthcare if you deserve it, and America has chosen to kill itself.


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I am an adult human being living in a bourgeois echo chamber who knows nothing about global poverty. please respond only in text, but I want a serious answer - what is happening? Why do so many people want to kill people like me? I've read communist books and they're all theory, but what I actually want is actual information on the state of global poverty. Specifically, what is causing people to die, and in what terrible conditions do people work? The people here seem almost fanatic, and I could understand this if and only if people were literally systematically dying. Please don't be mean to me - I have spent most of my life in a bourgeois echo chamber.

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>>2793972
> I could understand this if and only if people were literally systematically dying. Please don't be mean to me - I have spent most of my life in a bourgeois echo chamber.
Here's a good start.

>>2793972
>Why do so many people want to kill people like me?
You might be surprised by this, but the goal of Communism is to abolish class society, through any means necessary, not simply kill the bourgeoisie. If it were possible to abolish classes without violence, the Communists would take that option, but because the bourgeoisie defend their class interests through murder, it becomes self defense for the proletariat to wage class war against the bourgeoisie.

Stalin:
>Marx in his day (the seventies of the nineteenth century) made an exception in the case of Britain, and probably also of America, where militarism and bureaucracy were little developed at that time, and where at that time there was a possibility of achieving the political rule of the proletariat by other means, “peaceful” means. I said that this exception, or reservation, made by Marx in the case of Britain and America was correct at the time, but, in Lenin’s opinion, has become incorrect and superfluous in the present conditions of developed imperialism, when militarism and bureaucracy are flourishing in Britain and America in the same way as in other countries.

>Permit me, comrades, to turn to Marx. Here is what he wrote in his letter to Kugelmann in April 1871:

Marx quoted by Stalin:

>“. . . If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire, you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it . . . , and this is the preliminary condition for every real people’s revolution on the continent.* And this is what our heroic party comrades in Paris are attempting.”

Back To Stalin:

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The promise of capitalism as opportunity for everyone does not materialize. Normal people live and die having to submit to the orders of modern day aristocrats or their representatives. Education is no longer a guaranteed ticket into the middle class. Saving money in the hopes of becoming your own boss grows less realistic as barriers of entry to business rise while wages stagnate for decades despite productivity growth.
In short, mass desperation and palpable inequality which (social) democracy failed to keep in check.
Now consider that this is actually many people's life, when you're actually hungry or at risk you will have a very strong emotional response that makes you easy to radicalize. We're not quite "there" yet and most people are still reasonable but this will get worse with conditions.
See, if you haven't: wtfhappenedin1971.com
As a bonus, read Kropotkin, the de facto father of my flag. He was also someone born into money but switched sides.

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>>Lets make this easy, no fighting, hop in


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The American 'working class' produce zero surplus value through their net nonproductive labor and physically cannot sustain themselves due to deindustrialization. Each and every single lumpen settler owes more than forty trillion in exports to repay their debt to the rest of the planet and survives off the surplus labor of non-americans from Berlin to Siberia. Even ignoring the countless acts of terrorism committed by the burgereich, the consumerism of treats must end. As the pedotariat of epsteinland must work for several years and export to maybe repay even 30 percent of what occupied turtle island owes to the non-american surplus value producing global proletariat.

Any strawman that does not address the largest trade deficit that will ever exist shall be ignored.
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>>2782035
also the slave mode of production of late european antiquity wasn't overthrown by the slaves, but gradually reformed away by the lords of manorial estates in the aftermath of the collapse of the roman empire and the carving up of the latifundia

>>2741267
despite being obnoxious, OP has a point. Part of the side effect of the US having the global reserve currency is de industrialization, because it makes imports more attractive structurally. This lumpenizes the former industrial workers, and the only exceptions are workers in protected industries often related to national defense (ex: the factory working assembling missiles for the us air force) who obviously has a a material interest in the continuity of empire.

He kinda overreaches by saying NO proletariat exists, obviously the us does have SOME heavy industry left, like auto production, plus one thing he leaves out is Oil production, the US is a net exporter of oil and the biggest oil exporter on earth which sort of seems at odds with his overall point.

Nevertheless its true that currency hegemony leads to de-industrialization

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>>2741483
facts

Hentai > 3DPD

(I've actually gathered that information and
This is not an an a priori statement of taste in this instance)

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>>2741267 (OP)

OP is a typical third-worldist retard who doesn't realize that third-world bourgiouse are screwing over their fellow third-worlders just as much.

This is just reheated origional sin spookery.

>>2787238

local states have historically collaborated with the foreign business powers against their own national liberation movements, unless the party of the movement is in power, and even still… its a risk


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