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Step 1. Organize political party able to take state power.
Step 2. Proletarian dictatorship
Step 3. Pic related
Step 4. Socialism / Communism
Questions?

>>2847367
Trust the plan. Comrades in control. WWG1WGA. - ML



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PERU ELECTIONS 2026
PENCILMAN FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS
Well dear leftypol, the country with more presidents in the decade now has to again elect one. After the debacle of Pencilman I, the betrayal of Dinamita Boluarte, the r*pist lapdog of Jeri and the sarcophagus of current Balcazar comes the rematch. Roberto Sanchez, exminister in Castillo's goverment is practically the second round candidate with Fujimori (no explanation needed). Now, he is being bombarded by the press to debilitate his campaing and with all the sloganeering as always (statist, terrierist, betrayer, etc).
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>>2838194
Great artistic skill to whoever made this.
This can be a fresh format for any and all petty-bourg interests
"balancing on a flat inverted triangle"
especially great is that they are slammed down when their get rich quick schemes fail, as have been of interest to communists, to pick them up and (re)organize them after monopoly capitalism proletarianizes them, freeing them from the bourgeois mindset.

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>>2838230
>Great artistic skill to whoever made this.
Vancouver has hated the capitalist class dangists from China for the longest time, that at least now one of the locals have made great works of socialist art somehow also the 50% of locals elected a demsoc candidate for council from their local cafe to spite the dangists.

Peru literally sold their country to Japan on a silver platter ffs

>>2837114
Jokes on you everything that could be sold has been sold. Don't you know the Fujimori privatisacion and constitutional prohibition on creating state owned enterprises?

>>2838177
>Milei is a great ally of China
describe how he is an ally in 10 different and concrete ways



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i see people here constantly talk about theory and the writers of said theory so i'm kinda curious what everyone's taste is for stuff outside of philosophy.



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The concept of social murder, as Engels developed it, represents one of Marxism's most genuinely valuable theoretical contributions to moral and political philosophy. Its power lies in a crucial insight: that moral responsibility for death and suffering need not be located in individual malice or conscious intention, but can inhere in structural arrangements that systematically produce preventable harm. This is an insight that transcends its original polemical context and remains analytically useful across ideological lines — one can accept it without accepting the broader Marxist theoretical apparatus, much as one can accept marginal utility theory without being a committed libertarian.

It is precisely *because* the concept is valuable that the use to which many Marxists have put it is so morally horrifying.

The Leninist and Maoist deployment of social murder runs as follows: capitalist structural arrangements produce preventable death on a mass scale; this constitutes a form of murder; murder of this magnitude and systematic character justifies revolutionary violence, suspension of civil and religious liberties, militarism, and the coercive apparatus of the vanguard state. The concept, in other words, is converted from a tool of moral analysis into a blank check for political violence. The gravity of the indictment is made to justify the severity of the remedy, with no ceiling specified and no accounting required.

The contradiction here is not merely rhetorical but logical, and it cuts at the internal consistency of the framework itself. The moral force of the social murder concept derives entirely from its consequentialist and structuralist character — it condemns capitalist arrangements not because capitalists are evil in their intentions but because their system produces measurable, preventable death regardless of intent. This is precisely what makes it powerful. But this logic is a double-edged instrument. Once moral responsibility is detached from intention and attached to structural outcomes, that standard cannot be selectively applied. It cannot be wielded against the old order and then quietly retired when evaluating the new one.

Yet this is exactly what actually existing socialist states required. The famines of the Great Leap Forward, the mortality of the Gulag system, the epidemiological decline of Soviet males in the 1960s and 70s, the environmental devastation that produced preventable illness across the EPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2846742
Enjoyed reading this but isnt this just moralism? Leninists (at least here) reject this and appeal to class interest instead.

>>2846742
Sure but like the rest of the 20th century horrors it was an outgrowth of Rousseauian totalitarianism. No dissenting voices allowed under the sovereign will! When the crowd speaks that's God, and the Party speaks for the crowd.

>>2846980
It's in my class interest to be crowded like sardines in a concrete labyrinth full of strangers so I can inhale chemicals and microparticles and toil in a factory.

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>>2846742
I'm sorry, but no amount of Eurocommunism will save you this time. It is out of your hands, socdem-anon. The forces coming for you and yours will not be cowed, nor do they need even a facade of socialism as an enemy.

It doesn't matter if you spend every waking moment trying to defuse organized resistance to the new fascism necessary to fight for NATO and US hegemony, to the inevitable bitter end. It will not matter if you indeed convince every leftoid to adopt your christian morality and find every other cheek in their body for the fascists to trample.

It's all liberals now, nobody is coming to expropriate your oh-so-loved bourgeoisie. They are coming for your weath,your global privilege and the liberals at home will sooner do shock therapy at home to get in the graces of the new cold war winners than give up a single point of quarterly profit growth. You seem to think that your role as consumer in the imperial core is guaranteed.

Buddy, friendo. Before the century is over, NATO will look like South East Asia did in the 90s. It will be your kind who labors in sweatshops and produces cheap tat for the new Asian imperial core consumer base of global labor aristocracy. It will be your land which exists to impress (sex) tourists and landlords. Your politics? Oh boy, compradors all the way down.

You don't need to reject communism, authoritarianism, internationalism or what have you.

Nobody is coming to save you from your choices. You will enjoy them in full.

a political regime's policiesmassive casualties or harsh wartime measures are determined by external circumstances. For example, Leniwartime communist policies during the Russian Civil War were necessary because his enemies were extremely vicious and would stop at nothing. The White Army had no social base except for their brutal Cossack cavalry.

It's true that the Great Leap Forward caused unnecessary losses, but without the industrial reforms and opening up that took place in the first thirty years after the founding of New China, the country wouldn't have been able to take off (after all, the Four Thirds Plan, which was largely pushed by the "capitalists" who were later criticized, like Deng Xiaoping and Zhou Enlai, introduced fertilizer and related manufacturing technologies). So some strategies simply can't yield immediate results

>>2847245
I mean "the external environment is equally important," not "completely dependent on the external environment"



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In defense of the free market.

When we deal with matters of the economy, it’s important to stay grounded in very real world terms and not fall for the abstractions the wealthy propagandize people with. These are systems of metabolizing the labor of everyone in society and then proportioning goods accordingly. Everyday there is work that has to get done to maintain civilization, and “the economy” describes how we incentivize (or more crudely, reward) doing that work. The control and production of everything takes labor, and the biggest issues with society stem from our considering property or ownership of stock as a means of financial gain in of itself over labor. In a preferable society with equal access to education and healthcare and equal rights for all, those capable of doing work should still be made to. There simply is no society without that economic work incentive, and ours is now being destroyed because the incentive is switching to trading stocks and speculating on others businesses instead of putting effort in to produce or maintain anything. I think these best ways to distribute these goods is for a wage system that distributes a currency exchangeable for goods and services at a market rate. Its a fundamentally democratizing force that should be regulated and limited in certain aspects, but that should not be abolished in favor of anything else, as the rich are trying to do now. I support some economic inequality enough to maintain a petit bourgeoisie, I would even say I’m against a UBI.

The reason i don’t identify as a communist is because I see them as abandoning this distributive system in favor of a more hierarchical approach. In a world without currency, you would either have to rigidly control distribution or provide a civilization so materially liberal I don’t think human beings could uncorruptibly function without abusing the systems of social benefit to an unsustainable degree. This is a monopoly of the state and even a state that is democratically controlled should not wield such power in my opinion.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that capitalism doesn’t just have a free market, but as our current neoliberal system extols, has businesses controlled by centralized power and authority rested in bourgeois, old money families. These people are given the reigns of power over their own little fiefdoms, given essentially no oversight or real threat of punishment, and even those that work their way inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2846614

It certainly is possible that you are one among many that are posting similar lines of thought in this thread and we have confused you all together. Your arguments are similar enough.

In your new reply, the first point you make is a complete red herring: The failure or success of western communist parties has no significant bearing on the functioning of a planned economy. In fact I struggle to see any relevance: Political party organization or activity in general (not just communist, not just western) does not imply anything about organizing a centrally planned economy, since their fundamental tasks are completely different.

I also have no ideal where you are drawing this one big failure versus mix of success & failure from. Doesn't seem related to Western communist parties, since not a single one managed to achieve socialism: They are failures in that sense. If you are disordered thought anon I certainly see it.

Further, I assume you are free market advocate as you yourself have claimed. Ergo, its not assumption of bad faith, but rather that you are simply an enemy first and foremost. Not a communist at all (and you are trolling us by calling yourself one; I am going to guess some variant of libertarian? Regardless you don't fool many of us). Second, its very clear that you have not read & understood marxist canon. Or pray tell, why do marxists (and Marx hinself) advocate for central planning? What is it about a generalized market economy that marxists are against?

Finally, intermediate products are costed in a centrally planned economy. I don't know where you get this idea that aren't. There just isn't intermediate product & investment markets under a fully centrally planned economy.

There are of course important distinction between intermediate inputs & final consumer goods. I won't say why its important that under a planned economy there aren't intermediate markets, cause that would give away the answer to my prior question. That said, the distinction is quite so sharp: Not all consumer goods & services have to be sold in retail markets under a planned economy(education & health for instance wouldn't be).

>>2846206
>thats the samefag replying to himself.
I forgot the quote arrow for the second sentence.
>a discussion cannot take place if your own position is still shifting every week.
Gee why is "his" opinion shifting so much, whaddayathink? And he is so productive, making so many posts!

I'm of the position that a price system is not absolutely necessary to run an economy; and that if you use prices, there is something to be said for using prices not modified because of discrepancies between supply and demand or using these unmodified prices for longer planning horizons alongside modified prices for the short term. (That's not to say that these unmodified prices stay fixed forever: They can change when production technique changes.) Either approach requires a powerful center that makes some very big decisions unilaterally. So take a guess whether I'm a shill for capitalism.

>>2846649
the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)

more generally, the fundamental problem i see in the world today is institutional incompetence. the british government can't build railways, the US government can't build HSR, and yet you envision a world where we can shake our magic wand once for revolution and twice for total overhaul of the economy, get some linear programmers in, and just like that all will be fixed. pray, mr. babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures…?

i am not an advocate in the free market in the sense of being a deep enthusiast for it with an intuitive love of it. i am an advocate in the sense of a devil's advocate, in the sense that i think the standard marxist arguments do not hold up well to conditions on the ground and are not in any case well understood by the average marxist (who instead intuits, in a woolly sense, that Marx's bible must agree with him and that a cleverer person will sort it all out), i am of the view that at the very least we've got to reach the same conclusion as china, that productive forces are insufficiently developed to allow a leap to communism and therefore we're stuck with markets in the short run. if ideal central planning can outperform the market, sub-ideal central planning can easily underperform it. (we can point here to the soviet example. even if you want to go "ah, actually, it was beating the market in 1930!", the very fact one bumbling idiot could come in and have the entire economy cannibalise itself by 1989 speaks to the enormous risks of an incompetent center)

you will be quite correct to say i've dodged your questions, and iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2846824
>tldr: my intuition said so, so i have to make a thread about it
no you didn't lol. this is also some of the funniest shit i read:
>the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)
<central planning is called central planning because center duh
do you have an phd in bullshitenomics? the term you are looking for is called creative destruction and as a matter of fact: all these things you talk about have already been said by someone smarter than you, literally NONE of your ideas are original. you are debating with yourself lol

>>2847096
Why have you included some stupid bullshit about famines in reply to someone who has stuck exclusively and monotonously to economic questions?



 

What is pre-Revolutionary conditions in the modern day and is the United States already within those conditions?
I believe Colombia is an prime example of an nation in pre-revolutionary conditions compared to any else
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>>2846672
Didn't know 12 million Colombians were of the Epsteinite Class.

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>>2846672
blatantly rigged. the count hasn't finished and that mf declared himself the winner on TV and jd vance congratulated him. and there were anomalies detected. the whole fucking thing stinks. but yeah i don't know if it's in pre revolutionary conditions regardless. i suppose every country es at every moment if you think about it haha if ykwim 🌿🚬 🌿🚬 🌿🚬 🌿🚬

>>2846641
>more or less a lot of the same conditions are present in the US today that were present in pre-revolutionary Russia
By February 1917 they were losing territory along with already having suffered two million dead (wounded being some multiple of that). Inflation right now sucks, it's 4.2%, but it's not 400%. In that situation money essentially stopped being a store of value. It's not $20 burger, it's no burger.

>>2846797
>no burger
NOOOOOOOOO



 

Fuck this guy. I’m tired of seeing liberals and even “principled” leftists like Jacobin Mag prop him up as the greatest thing to happen to American leftism, like he’s sone kind of modern-Day William Z Foster.

In reality, Mamdani is a total fraud. He’s pandered to Zionists even before taking office. Then after taking office he’s sucked up to Chabad-Lubavitcher which is a satanic racist Jewish supremacist org with ties to the Russian mafia and Zionist entity. Why? He’s even thrown his own wife under the bus for working with Palestinian liberation activist Susan Abdulhawa. I guess he thinks kosher feelings outweigh Palestinian lives. He hasn’t done anything he’s promised in making NYC a cheaper and easier place to live. And yet delusional leftists still love and support him.

If Mamdani was truly principled he’d make it illegal to be a Zio in NYC. Semd police to monitor all synagogues for promoting Zionism. Track donations to the IOF from Jewish orgs. Fully divest NYC from the Zionist entity and all companies that do business with the Zionist entity. Get ICE to deport anyone with Zionist entity citizenship ( I hear there are a lot of them in Brooklyn and Queens). Ban AIPAC and all other pro-Zionist groups. Shut down businesses like Eichler’s which routinely sell Zionist products.

Mamdani ran on the basis of defying the Zionist Lobby so he needs to keep his promises.
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So is Mamdani good or bad for American leftism now that he’s been in office for over six months?

>>2838314
Besides the tunnels themselves, the bloody mattresses is certainly a point of suspision of something nutty and illegal.

Listen to Palestinians.

>>2846417
>account based in Israel

>>2819433
chad bartender. Imagine a "reading group" for a magazine you'd read shitting



 

One of the most hollowing things about being a leftoid is just how much bad behavior is automatically given to you just because you want to live in a world where people don't starve or whatever and there could be more free time to do well whatever the fuck uyghas want to do. Yet leftoids are said to always have these Dysgenetic traits while rightiods get to portray themselves as the yes chad and we get saddled with soyjaks and shit. Even people who are just vaguely sympathetic to our cause is also getting that treatment and other such shit. "Conservatives/Chuds are the real punk rock/edgelords/contrarians" "Conservatives/Chuds are the real tolerant people", "Conservatives are all fit" yet if you ever bring up rural/urban obesity rates or notice how fucking ugly, the very obvious gap in autism score s between rightiods and leftoids, how much social conservatives have larger amygladas (Thus they feel fear and disgust more, not very stoic of them), how they think they can't even win a fight against DONALD TRUMP or even worse MID LOOKING all these rightiod look like and yet you still have vtubers and shit saying they want to be impregnated by Asmongold!

Being a leftoid is basically having no fucking ego defense and you have to be much more fit, intelligent and other such qualities to get ass while centroid/chud men get it easier despite them not even needing to be HALF of any of things we have to do.
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I think… you don't really want people's approval. Well, you do. You want to be liked, it's better than being disliked. But you should be more indifferent to what people think of you. "Haters gonna hate" and all that. That shouldn't be the driving force of your movement. So if your approval ratings are going down a bit, it's not a big deal, because it doesn't matter if most people don't like you. If you transitioned (or came out of the closet) and you're still alive, then you're probably a pretty strong person (mentally speaking).

The point is to build self-respect, because that's part of the maturation process. When you respect yourself, you'll be more effective at demanding fair treatment. That might not sound "fair" but that's the reality.

>>2833501
>The issue is with the entire framing of the question, which focuses on interrogating the morality of joining the military instead of assessing the utility of having soldiers and veterans in the movement.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jan/09.htm

>>2846813
This is historical revisionism. Gay people had to fight tooth and nail over decades of being stomped on by "the majority." That's what won them a position in society, at least enough for the bourgeois aspirant fags to be comfortable enough to come out and assimilate into mainstream bourgeois society.

You should kill yourself.

>>2846832
>You should kill yourself.
I didn't kill myself when I was in the closet so why should I do it now?

To make an argument, I don't have a problem per se with gay rights being bourgeois, or more specifically existing within "bourgeois right." Gay identity emerged at a specific point in history because of productivity increases (urbanization etc.) brought about by the socialization of production under capitalism. That led to the decline of agriculture as something most of the population labored under every day (and thus made people more dependent on their immediate family members to eat).

That doesn't make bourgeois "rights" fake or "reactionary." There are some communists who think that. They're like, it's bourgeois so we're not interested in it, or even against it. I think a socialist position is more that it's not the endpoint, it's limited. I don't think being a sexual minority is inherently transgressive. That's radical identity politics. It might have been more transgressive in the 1970s. There are political demands that came out of that era.



 

I'm pretty skeptical of Michael Hudson kinds of narratives on financialization and rentiers. But I'm not really sure I properly understand how rent works. It seems to me that capitalism stagnates due to the falling rate of profit and not due to high rents and debts. If anything high rent and debt are mostly signs of a large amount of industrial development and a high demand for raw resources. I am particularly skeptical that investment into real estate is the cause behind deindustrialization. If anything the big real-estate investment trusts are a consequence of a worldwide larger and larger demand for raw resources due to the industrialization of the semi-periphery.

why looks for a clear chain of cause and effect when most phenomena have both many causes and many effects and even when A can be said to cause B, B can also be said to cause A in a feedback loop?

TFRP, absent anything else, doesn't really explain very well why capitalism would have periodic crises, much of what goes into the specifics of crises when they happen is an issue of finance. I don't believe Hudson puts finance at the primary driver of capitalism or what have you, he's focused on mid-level economics, which is, in capitalism, broadly handled through finance.

>>2846725
A demand for resources doesn’t automatically mean more jobs extracting such resources. If workers don’t have jobs, high rents/debts become an immediate issue.

Look at this graph https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VAPGDPFI

Finance and real estate don't seem to be a very big component of GDP, nor do they appear to be increasing much.



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
Thread #2

French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!

Français! Ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!
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Perso je suis dans le Cher et je viens de passer la barre des 30 degrés dans mon appartment aujourd'hui, appartement pourtant récement rénové et extrêmement bien isolé, car la charge thermique est absolument délirante vu que les nuits sont trop chaudes. Je ne vois pas ce qui peut contrer ça à part une maison en pierre avec du carrelage partout comme dans laquelle je vivais dans le Finistère.
Même mon mobilier est chaud au toucher bordel. J'aurais jamais du quitter le Bretagne dream.

>>2846328
Putain, le 1er juillet je vais bosser en horticulture, l'espère tellement que la canicule va s'arrêter avant.

>>2846414
Normalement c'est finis Lundi ou Mardi prochain, le risque c'est si on en a une nouvelle

Elle était où la China pour stopper la restauration du capitalisme à Cuba?

>>2846760
Bah la Chine leur avait deja demandé faire ces réformes il y a longtemps et de s'ouvrir aux investisement Chinois et Russes, Cuba avait just refusé à l'époque.



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