/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2845741
Fokoculuk ve kırdan şehire bizi bitirdi baba, bizi kim siktiyse maoculardan sikti.

>>2934709
>>2934691
I really appreciate your posts, comrade. Thank you. Very educational.
On the Kurdish question, do you think this peace process will prevail? To me it seems it has faltered recently, but the PKK has put themselves in a very bad spot if they as they have claimed really have abandoned 'Metina and Medya' Defense Zones, and the statements from their leadership shows a certain amount of pessimism. The sticking point (even leaving aside the ultra-nationalist elements within Turkey) as i see it is that an organized political force with such discipline, who will also be revered as heros by many Kurds within Turkey, seems more dangerous within the state and within mainstream political process, for example; if the trusteeship system was removed and the PKK cadres really were to come down from the mountains and engage in civil politics (with the HDP or as a new party in coalition with the HDP) would it be not almost guaranteed they would gain control of Kurdish majority cities like Diyarbakır, Van or Batman, and of all those towns in which had uprisings and in which the state sent their guns and their bombs and their artillery pieces to quash through the mid 2010s (I mean the siege and assaults on Silvan, Sur and Cizre, etc.)? Surely is this political influence not a more dangerous thing to the bourgeois class and the state apparatus than, what would seem the more attractive offer to the state, that is having long ago pushed the PKK out of Turkey, simply leaving them to their own, remaining holed up in Qandil, stuck in this strategic stalemate until the leadership dies off or gets picked off by bombers and raids, letting the organization decay through inertia?

>>2936489
Sorry, i was saying HDP here but meant to say DEM Party. Your country outlaws them so fast i cannot keep up.

Are there any communizers in Turkey?

Turkpol bump.
Any news?

So the Nov 5 strike a complete nothing burger like predicted, huh? I called this, that a one day strike will do nothing and vacuum all revolutionary potential from the "movement"

>>2935443



I know im going to get called a treatler for this by the twists but.. I cant help but feel bad for the guy. I grew up in stores like this and they were my comfort zone. I was up all night gaming tonight, in fact it was a text based game but its rather addicting if youre into footbal and basketballl. legionnaire pro.

Bordiguists are out in the streets

>>2950560
La vérité sort de la bouche des enfants.

>>2950597
> still can't figure out the answer to my main question however: why are their fans so into classic literature?

Again - it's a hotspot for aging millennials who used to post on /lit/, /mu/ and /tv/.

People who read Dostoevsky, Pushkin, Hemingway, Joyce, Steinbeck.

Bands like like MBV, NMH and AJJ.

Television shows like Moral Orel.

>>2950606
>aging millennials who used to post on /lit/, /mu/ and /tv/
Beyond my time, I have no idea what those things looked like. TBH my only real chan experience is /leftypol/, which I think was at its best when I first discovered it in late 2017 (catgirl drama). I was too young and too much of a booklet back then to really contribute myself, but I remember the board being much better read and more pluralistic back then - real anarchist representation, well-read left communists, people who actually read classic literature, right-wing Nietzscheans who would butt in etc. I'm still here, but mostly just chasing the effervescent feeling I got from the 8chan days tbh.

That brings up another question: did that whole intellectual millennial crowd all shift to the right like the Red Scare crowd did? Some kind of "dark bohemia" shift? A lost generation that we could have won to socialism?

>>2950617
They were always socdems and then became the typical third worldist "anti imperialist", now they're probably gonna go back to socdem with the DSA upsurge. Tbh it's all become one big blob of slop. Theres very little strong ideological lines that people follow nowadays.

>>2950718 (me)
Talking about aging millenials btw. Looking back, I think us millenials overhyped ourselves.

>>2950550
<He was also talking about how he prefers the Class Reductionist Left over the Intersectionality Crowd, and how he has read Hegel.
source/clip? can you post?

>>2944728
I do agree that this isn't some socialist revolution or whatever, and that it's not a particularly radical social democrat program compared to what some European countries have. But that article has some strange inaccuracies. I don't know Greek, so maybe some of these issues are only in the English translation.
First, there's some minor ones like getting wrong the number of injured in the collapse, Srdanovic's surname and his medical specialization. Second, he writes about the creation of the SL in a conspiratorial tone, as if he believes that the SM didn't actually make the list. But it's simply the fact that the students in the SM, when looked at collectively, hold liberal views. This is simply because that is currently the dominant ideology in Serbia and the world. Any sort of anti-capitalist current can only support the social democracy style demands since the rest of the movement wouldn't accept anything more radical. Which is the reason why the SL and its program looks the way it does, and not because someone else gave it to them.
Then, he supposes there is a conspiracy by a portion of the Serbian bourgeoisie that made that happen in order to change Serbia's geopolitical positioning. Like I just said, I doubt there was any such conspiracy to create the SL. The portions of the bourgeoisie that support the SL simply just attached themselves to it, because they do not mind it and they do mind SNS. As for the geopolitical claims, the text seems to imply that Rio Tinto is a Chinese interest opposed by the EU. This is either a misunderstanding of the situation or a weird interpretation, since it's seen as an EU interest here in Serbia, with a Chinese company having a small stake in the project.
He also mentions Chinese companies in the beginning when talking about the canopy collapse. They are pretty much always mentioned in Western coverage, however, in Serbia they're not really a focus. The focus is on SNS and their incompetence and unaccountably, which is seen as being caused by corruption.
As for the NKPJ, I don't think many people consider them a serious party, and the Russian Party directly works with SNS. The radical left is quite nonexistent on the Serbian political scene, and literally nonexistent if you consider only parties that contest elections.
In the text's conclusion, the author claims that the SM has as its gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2947868
>He also mentions Chinese companies in the beginning when talking about the canopy collapse.
He has to, he's talking for the KKE, they hold sinophobic positions. What leftists reported on was the fact that construction laws were amended to accept lower standards after western lobbying so that projects like EXPO and similar can be done faster and with less popular intervention.

>>2947868

You are reading in conspiratorial elements where there is just standard marxist analysis.

The KKE doesn't claim that there is no organic base for the demands of the movement. Of course people are dissatisfied with how things are going (at all levels, this is true all over the world, just see the outrage the train disaster provoked In Greece by comparison).

What the article is however claiming is that the bourgeoisie (which is by definition I remind everybody, is a class divided itself) are maneuvering to influence the movement in their interest. Which means contradictions both between domestic & foreign capital, Russian Chinese & European, petit vs. large, state procurement dependent va. non, etc, etc, etc.

It is not only anti-marxist, but actually naive to assume there are aren't any attempts at cooptation & direction, as well as much influence it various ngos & foreign intelligence. This doesn't at all imply that the root causes of the eruption & formation of these protest movements are unreal, unjustified, etc.

>>2947729

You are creating the strawman; the main thrust of the argument is that is not even progressive or even opportunist. The argument is against having any illusions that this will bring about significant change, beyond perhaps what >>2947868 mentioned (a little bit less corruption; Although I read their program as more transparent & thorough liberalization instead of haphazard & crony based version).

>>2947875
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>>2948067

*a class divided against itself

>>2948067
>You are reading in conspiratorial elements where there is just standard marxist analysis.

I am referring to this paragraph:
>In May 2025, a process began to establish a political movement that would capitalize on the prestige of the student mobilizations, which had already continued for six months, as well as on the support of student assemblies and the leaders of the protests. In effect, these bodies gave their endorsement to the movement, even though not a single current student stood as a candidate.

This is written like the SL is something that was formed by third parties and the SM simply endorsed it, when actually the SM formed the SL and picked each candidate in a process that took a year and a few months. This is why I called it conspiratorial, it supposes that there was some conspiracy to "capitalize on the prestige" of the SM and form the SL that was then rubber stamped by the SM. I don't think that such a thing happened, or could happen quietly because of the decentralized nature of the SM. And the fact there were no student candidates was an explicit decision that was decided when formulating the plan for the formation of the SL, and was a part of the main set of criteria for candidates.

>>2950376
More like the proletariat wouldn’t side with the bourgeoisie if their alleged representatives on “the left” didn’t constantly sing the praises of criminals and junkies who live on their dime

>>2950376
that;s not what i said
even disregarding how much of society petit bourg including professionals constitutes you could have not made a worse case

>>2949856
They were not protesting neoliberalism, they are kids and their political culture is really limited. They were protesting because the classrooms are not heated and the teachers not hired, and the national education cost 470 000€ per year for a class of 40 kids already.
Tell me that you can not buy an electric radiator for that price.

They were not the ones doing the looting anyway, criminals did because they saw that the cops were busy beating teenagers, people from all over Europe (all of them white) who like to destroy things came to destroy things and then went home to destroy more things and some of the migrants decided to do some racially motivated attacks.
And I have not mentioned everything, like the yellow vest who mostly protest how heavily they are taxed and how they never see the money come back (you would not assume that only education waste money don't you) and the old syndicates taking the opportunity to have some protests and strikes.

>>2950432
You're cucked if you believe the msm narrative around high schoolers who are often workers or will very soon be, when they sing down with the state bosses and the cops they're not asking for a heater and they already automatically have more political culture than chuds like you who are desperately trying to divide social movements around small revendications because that's how the bourgeois media make sense of the historical party being disturbed in its sleep. The racially motivated attacks are done everyday yes, by fascist vermins and racist pigs, the criminals they are the ones in charge of countries and putting people in prison, and a conscious prole couldn't care less about pokemon cards being stolen and muh optics of a burning trash can, a fed or a cuck would though

>>2950515
what did this aurafarming achieve other than looking exceptionally gay?

Karl Marx derisively referred to Max Stirner as "Saint Sancho" in The German Ideology, in direct reference to Sancho Panza.

>>2926922
I remember I made the "tilting at windmills" joke before I ever seen anyone else make it(he hates windmills if you don't know) i never read the thing but I grew up with a Gustave Dore print on my wall. It is echted into my mind.

>>2950133
Gustav Dore is peak. It's really not enough to look at a small jpg of his works. you need the big png shit to really appreciate it. i wish I could see one physically irl with a magnifying glass.

>>2950067
He likes bitcoins and fascism

I just noticed something interesting.
Almost everyone except the korean dude got very high progressive scores.
What is the material explanation for this?

>>2950352
The korean one was fake

>>2934918
These colors are also the flag of the Kashubians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubians

Is this website dead?

>>2945956
yes except for /usapol/ and the occasional posts in /ukr/, /iran/ and /isg/

>>2935280
>What the fuck are you talking about?
1) Watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3OH4QO5JY

2) React to it

>>2949975
>imagine this hypothetical
>some fictional scenario about being an absolute dictator that gets captain america to do textiles.
>lower standards of living because yeltsin visited a texas store
Planning never worked on:

1. What to produce
   
2. Who will produce
   
3. How to allocate it
   

Undialectical drivel.
Planning always started from existing capabilities. Think of it like buying a business. You know what you have and what you can do. If you need to expand, you calculate the resources needed, transfer the construction brigades and do it. If you need a new company, you do the same but bigger. You may buy outside help if you need it. About allocation? You try to set the price as low as possible to its socially necessary labor time. You can always set it higher to get profit, but at the end of the day, you can always commandeer shortfalls with taxes. I could go on but that video is just total bullshit. No surprise it was made in Georgia. If it was Belarus they would have said: Socialism worked and continues to work for us.

Mamdani and Hochul promise a new day for Puerto Rico after Democrats sweep midterms
The nonprofit Hispanic Federation said the money would equip 10 community-run resiliency hubs across the island with increased water storage capacity; some also would receive rain-collection systems, kitchen infrastructure and solar power with battery storage. “We have to start working with the leadership to make sure that the Puerto Rico agenda is not forgotten,” Frankie Miranda, president and CEO of Hispanic Federation, told The Associated Press.
https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-mamdani-new-york-partnership-infrastructure-e15594b38ce800f93618cce7184e504e

Ro Khanna Allies Push Him to Declare 2028 Bid, Emboldened by Progressive Midterm Surge
Following Election Day victories by Democrats like Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan, Troy Jackson in Maine, and other champions of left-wing populist economic policy across the country, they feel Khanna—a supporter of Medicare for All and leader of efforts to block President Donald Trump’s wars—must strike while the iron is hot and set a progressive tone for 2028.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/run-ro-khanna

Stephen Miller, architect of Trump’s immigration crackdown, to become White House chief of staff
Miller’s appointment is the first sign of a shake-up at the White House following Republicans’ catastrophic defeat in the midterms. His record as a far-right firebrand implies that Trump is preparing for an aggressive fight against congressional Democrats’ oversight and investigations. Chris Whipple, author of The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency, told CNN: “It’s almost a declaration of war by Trump … He [Miller] only knows one gear and that’s full-throttle, full steam ahead over the cliff.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/nov/06/stephen-miller-chief-of-staff-trump

GOP infighting begins; Civil-society groups propose delaying fight over Iran war until Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

‘Better Tehran than Caracas’: guidelines for the defence of the Cuban Revolution
We publish the following article from Cuban communist Frank Josué Solar Cabrales, which offers an insightful perspective on the strangulation of the island at the hands of US imperialism. In Cuba, the threat of capitalist restoration looms large. This article poses the need for a revolutionary way forward to defend the Cuban Revolution.
https://marxist.com/better-tehran-than-caracas-guidelines-for-the-defence-of-the-cuban-revolution

Communist Workers' Platform USA: Statement on the results of the 2026 midterm elections
In a statement concerning the results of the US midterm elections, the Central Committee of the Communist Workers' Platform USA (CWPUSA) points out: “The democratic petty bourgeois want better wages and security for the workers, and hope to achieve this by an extension of state employment and by welfare measures; in short, they hope to bribe the workers with a more or less disguised form of alms and to break their revolutionary strength by temporarily rendering their situation tolerable" - Marx, Abstract from the Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, London 1850 On 3 November 2026, the US midterm elections were held with the Republican Party suffering substantial losses amidst an upswell of Democratic wins. The midterm elections are waged for the composition of the Legislative branch, that section of the capitalist State that houses the arbitrators of the controversies within the capitalist class. These elections take place against the backdrop of an intensifying struggle within the US bourgeoisie, the sharpening of inter-imperialist competition with China, and widespread popular dissatisfaction with the policies of the Trump administration and with the costs of its repressive measures and imperialist interventions, borne by the workers and people of the US. This contest between the two parties reflects the intensifying inter-imperialist rivalry that is fueling clashes among the monopolies over a larger share of state support, over which sectors and which business groups will secure the biggest slice of the pie for themselves.
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