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Obviously the Marxist project is modernist.
Obviously it's spooky season so this is a spook thread.
Can there even be a post-modern political project?
How we define the term post-modern seems critical.
Consider it a dialectic which doesn't remove the negated.
If we do this can we even negate "illegitimate" uses of power.
There's no "good" and "evil" here, and mass doesn't help.
Is it just our own good and evil and will to power?
Maybe we even think we're a "good" person.
And use our little power to enforce "good" ends…
But there's just the means available, and our willingness.
Does it come full circle in the end?
Maybe everyone already realizes this.
Except the "establishment" clinging to remnants of modernity.
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>>2926485
Derivative

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>>2926486
Well done 10/10

Its insane how you can just say something completely innocuous or inquire about someghing out of curiousity and there is a non zero chance it will trigger some mentally unstable individuals PTSD about that specific subject and if it happens irl they could legitimately stab you to death then and there. Let this thread be a reminder to people here that no matter how ordinary something you say is, no matter where you are, the wrong person could hear it and shit could go from 0-100 in seconds.

>>2926610
Is that what you're doing right now? kek.

>Can there even be a post-modern political project?
it's called capitalism. pomo was born of capitalism in order to deny the centrality of class struggle. pomo glows



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Why do Leftists/Marxists in particular get upset when capitalist countries oppose them, when their ideology necessarily calls for overthrowing of their governments. When you call for world revolution their are naturally going to be forces that will oppose you.

Marxists argue that capitalists will do whatever is necessary to preserve their power, including supporting or installing fascist regimes. If you therefore believe that violent revolution is ultimately necessary to overthrow the bourgeoisie, why is it surprising when the bourgeoisie commits atrocities in the name of preserving its own power?
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>>2926030
>why are you angry at your enemies
I couldn't fucking tell you, man.

>>2926054
they why get upset when your enemies hate you back?

>>2926030
They haven't read enough Karl Marx


>>2926058
Because they are enslaving us



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2926184
it's not just what he thinks, they listed that as a reason, that he supported "antisemitic conspiracy theories" because he doesn't buy the official explanation for the Nth israeli false flag attack
then there is the gender thing

imo the strongest point they have against him is the acp shit: he apparently liked and retweeted some of their stuff. on the other hand, he has made more than one video condemning and disproving acp nonsense, like his iconic video explaining that baristas are, in fact, NOT bourgeois:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEsuQyyv5hc

he clearly doesn't agree with them on anything, old man just saw the word "communist party" and smashed the like and retweet button. it's insane that they would expel someone over any of this, let alone someone of his caliber. this feels like some clique inside had a grudge against him and just decided to throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks

like, all the other british marxist authors from the last ~30 years are, at best, verso-books fodder

>>2926199
>"antisemitic conspiracy theories"

>>2926050
Heinrichchads winning

>>2926273
Another banger from that channel.

>>2926273
>the fucking anti-vaxx stuff near the end
am I missing something here? is he implying that Fauci was underestimating the amount of time (two weeks) it would take to get the pandemic under control?
>>2926199
>like, all the other british marxist authors from the last ~30 years are, at best, verso-books fodder
it could just be that the CPB has been infiltrated by glowies



 

Back in Jesus's time when politics and religion were firmly merged together and people couldn't even conceptualize politics without god so I guess it must've made sense for a man to develop a political vision and think of it all as a revelation from heavens.

If you calm down and look at Jesus's message thinking of it as a political message then it can be summed up to a sort of proto utopian communism. He advocated for better treatment for slaves (which is really a lukewarm reformist stance), an abandonment of money and instead life in communities where people share their shit and help each other. He also invented the threat of hell to force people to do as he said and his rhetoric and methods had a ton of weaknesses. His insistence of pacifism only made his followers easy to hunt down and for the people in power to distort his ideas.

In the end Jesus's thought was entirely recuperated by the Romans. They took Jesus out of christianity and interpreted everything he said in a way that allowed them to do what they were already doing: kill rape and pillage everyone, which eventually merged (and turned) into christianity itself. Most of christian history of destruction is just an influence of the roman co-opted version Jesus's political movement with very little of Jesus himself, which means Jesus is a catastrophically failed political leader whose life should be interpreted as a failed revolutionary movement, and as all revolutionary movements it should be studied to avoid the same mistakes. For example, he proved that martyrism and pacifism do not work at all, that speaking in vague riddles will just make it easier for your enemies to just distort everything you said in a way that is convenient to themselves, and that communism must be materialist.
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>>2925485
>pic
ah fuck this rocks, thank you

>>2925484
>He also invented the threat of hell to force people to do as he said
This is a later addition to this religion. Jews at that time didnt believe in afterlife.

>>2925632
Epikurius was not an atheist, he believed in the gods, although thought of them as non-interventionist.

Modern atheism did not exist in pre-modern times, it would have been seen as a mental illness.

>>2926116
>believed in the gods, although thought of them as non-interventionist.
What is the difference between them being fake or real if they have no impact in the real world

there are two diametrically-opposed conceptions of god that people have had since day one and continue to have to this day: god as the world, and god as a man. people either use "god" as a metaphor for the vast untenable universe and all of its systems and complexities and calamities that are beyond human control, or "god" as a metaphor for individual human greatness - the master, the ruler, the conqueror, the proprietor, etc. the fundamental schism between all human philosophy is between epistemic humility and anthropocentric hubris and these two opposing views are irreconcileable by definition and the war never ends.

personally i chalk it up to basic human psychology, specifically intellectual/emotional maturity. a child is egocentric and thinks that the world revolves around them and everything in the world must start and stop at their convenience, a child is always talking without thinking and always in a hurry and cannot wait for anything and feels the need to act on every impulse immediately and always wants to take shortcuts and avoid difficulty and tediousness and complain loudly about every hardship they face. a mature adult is humble and understands and accepts their relative insignificance and that it's not all about them and it's not their place to be in control, a mature adult is silent and patient and restrained and disciplined and bears their burdens and hardships without complaint.



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If you had to choose 3 essential books to show to baby communists that haven't read shit other than maybe instragram posts or watched breatubers, what books would you pick? for me it'd be

>rius's marxism: a graphic guide

>politzer's elementary principles of philosophy
>carlo cafiero's summarized version of capital

Why? because those are all easy, not too long and kinda get most of the really important things you need to understand before you read everything else.
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>>2925496
The three basic essential starter books that I would advise are the Communist Manifesto https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf , the State and Revolution https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf , and the German Ideology https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_The_German_Ideology.pdf , as the Communist manifesto provides a very basic overview of Marxism that is pretty understandable for beginners, the State and Revolution provides an In-depth explanation of the Marxist conception of the State as a Dictatorship of one Class over another, along with the critique of reformist Social Democracy (ie. Karl Kautsky) and a clarification of the fact that Socialism can only be established through a armed Revolution that overthrows the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie and replaces it with a Dictatorship of the Proletariat, which is necessary to understand if you want to be a Real Communist (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist), and the German Ideology provides the strongest critique of Idealism combined with the most In-depth articulation of the Materialist Conception of History, in particular the core concepts of the Mode of Production (ie. Primitive Communal, Ancient, Feudal, Capitalist, Socialist, and Communist) and the Base-Superstructure Model (the Marxist conception of Culture, including Religion, Art, Law, Politics, Government, Gender roles, Nationalism, Philosophy, Metaphysics, etc. as an Ideological Superstructure used by the Ruling Class to reinforce the Material Base, ie. Mode of Production, while continuously being shaped by it in a mutually reinforcing dialectical relationship) that are required to grasp the Dialectical Materialism that makes Marxism the Universal/Immortal Scientific Theory of History, Politics, Society, Economics, Culture, etc., and after reading these three texts, then I would move onto Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

<This other man he could never see in his entirety but he seemed an artisan and a worker in metal. The judge enshadowed him where he crouched at his trade but he was a coldforger who worked with hammer and die, perhaps under some indictment and an exile from men's fires, hammering out like his own conjectural destiny all through the night of his becoming some coinage for a dawn that would not be. It is this false moneyer with his gravers and burins who seeks favor with the judge and he is at contriving from cold slag brute in the crucible a face that will pass, an image that will render this residual specie current in the markets where men barter. Of this is the judge judge and the night does not end.


>>2925496
principles of communism, ship of fools (not even a book really), and something about imperialism, I dunno, maybe sword and the dollar.

A People's Guide to Capitalism (Hadas Thier)

Work and Wealth (GegenStandpunkt)



 

Poll: China a more positive influence than US in Latin America
The 2026 Latinobarómetro survey showed that for the first time since the annual survey began in 1995, China is seen as a more benign force than the United States. It showed 57 percent of people in Latin America considering the United States to be a positive influence, down from 60 percent in 2020. China, meanwhile, was considered a positive influence by 65 percent of respondents, a jump from the 48 percent it scored six years ago.
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/latin-america/poll-china-a-more-positive-influence-than-us-in-latin-america.phtml
https://archive.ph/m8x0f

Lula's lead over Bolsonaro narrows ahead of Brazil vote, CNT/MDA poll shows
In a first-round scenario, ​Lula would receive 43.1% of voter support, ​followed by Bolsonaro (38%), Augusto Cury (3.2%), Ronaldo Caiado (3%) ⁠and Renan Santos (1.5%), according to the poll. A September 15 ​poll had Lula at 40.5%, Bolsonaro at 30.4%, ​Cury at 6%, Caiado at 3% and Santos at 2.7%
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/lulas-lead-over-bolsonaro-narrows-ahead-brazil-vote-cntmda-poll-shows-2026-10-03/

Mexico City March Marks 58 Years Since Tlatelolco Massacre
Thousands marched in Mexico City on Friday to mark 58 years since the 1968 Tlatelolco student massacre, as President Claudia Sheinbaum called for keeping the memory alive and demanded “never again” state repression.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/mexico-city-march-marks-58-years-since-tlatelolco-massacre/

‘This can’t go on’: tens of thousands protest against housing crisis in Spain
Demonstrators on Saturday waved posters calling for a general strike ⁠after the measures drawn up to address mass anger over the eviction of an 87-year-old woman in ⁠Madrid, and other housing issues, were rejected in parPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Voters favor Democrats on key issues but lack faith in either party to solve problems: AP-NORC poll
Voters are deeply dissatisfied with President Donald Trump and his Republican Party heading into the Nov. 3 midterm elections, according to an Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll, and Democrats have built a clear advantage on pressing issues such as the cost of living and healthcare over just a few months. But the survey also points to a bigger problem for both parties: Few registered voters think either party is able to solve important problems or help Americans like them.
https://apnews.com/article/democrats-republicans-trump-midterms-prices-healthcare-congress-109768f7544c9e0fcc7e716de0dc2157

US FDA closes cyclospora lettuce parasite probe, finds strong link to Taylor Farms Mexico
FDA said its investigation could not definitively determine how the contamination happened, but two samples showed cyclospora was present in the environment where lettuce was grown and processed. One sample was found in a tank that held outgoing ​wastewater at Taylor Farms de Mexico's processing facility and the other was in a drainage ditch at an iceberg lettuce grower, it said.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/colorado-cbz-management-court-of-appeals-ruling/73-be091b7d-1649-45a3-a344-0058b0eb49f7

Temecula school board members accuse colleague of placing a listening device under their desk
The allegation is the latest controversy for a school board that has drawn attention in recent years over disputes involving book bans, flag bans, arguing at meetings, and even allegations of sexual harassment among board members. According to board members Steven Schwartz and Emil Barham, surveillance video recorded near the end of a closed session meeting on Sept. 22 shows board member Melinda Anderson walking to the desk used by Schwartz and Barham, pulling out an electronic device and attaching it underneath the table.
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Brazil’s Communists ahead of the elections: Alliance with Lula or political independence?
With Brazil heading to the polls in October, three communist parties are approaching the elections from sharply different positions. The Communist Party of Brazil (PCdoB) remains fully committed to the re-election of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and the PT-led coalition, while the Brazilian Communist Party (PCB) is presenting its own presidential ticket headed by Edmilson Costa, and the Revolutionary Communist Party (PCBR) is calling for an independent revolutionary left position outside both the Bolsonarist camp and the Lula-led broad front. For the PCdoB, the immediate priority is defeating the far right and securing another Lula government. The party has officially endorsed the Lula-Alckmin ticket and is campaigning inside the Brasil da Esperança federation with the PT and PV, arguing that a new Lula term should deepen national development, reindustrialization and social policies. Its leaders present Bolsonarism as a neofascist, pro-US force and frame the election largely as a confrontation between the democratic-popular camp and the far right. That strategy, however, also exposes the central contradiction of the PCdoB’s electoral line: for years it has subordinated its communist identity to alliances led by the PT and to the management of capitalism through broad coalitions. Its 2026 campaign again ties communist activity to Lula’s re-election rather than to an independent communist presidential project. From a class standpoint, this leaves unresolved the question of whether repeated support for social-democratic and social-liberal governments can produce a genuinely independent political pole for the working class.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/10/brazils-communists-ahead-of-elections-alliance-with-lula-of-political-independence.html

France: an explosive situation
Since the beginning of September, social tensions have been rising day by day. As we write, tens of thousands of high school students across the country are taking to the streets to demand decent learning conditions. The government is responding with insults and police repression. On 29 September, many school students joined the powerful mobilisation Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2925536
>Poll: China a more positive influence than US in Latin America
>The 2026 Latinobarómetro survey showed that for the first time since the annual survey began in 1995, China is seen as a more benign force than the United States. It showed 57 percent of people in Latin America considering the United States to be a positive influence, down from 60 percent in 2020. China, meanwhile, was considered a positive influence by 65 percent of respondents, a jump from the 48 percent it scored six years ago.
>https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/latin-america/poll-china-a-more-positive-influence-than-us-in-latin-america.phtml
>https://archive.ph/m8x0f

those numbers are still cucked



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Politicians in europe are openly claiming they wish they could have an IDF at home.
Why are Europeans becoming such chuds?
They're going on trips to watch how Israel represses Palestinians in the west and take notes.
The kind of repression Israel uses is what lead to George floyd
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>>2925526
There are literally only two kinds of people in this world. People who hate Israel and spiritual Israelis.

>implying if Israel didn't exist there wouldn't be state repression on Europe
Naive or propaganda, call it

>>2925986
If Europe didn't exist there wouldn't be Israel.

>>2925989
String of words that don't make sense

from europe to america. from america to israel. from israel back to europe.



 

Why is it that the surviving members of the George W. Bush administration who acted as the architects of the Iraq War have never faced any legal penalties for what they did?

The 2003 US invasion of Iraq was arguably one of the worst human rights atrocities of the past 50 years. Over 1 million Iraqi CIVILIANS were killed. If that's not a low key genocide similar to Gaza I don't know what is. But it's even worse knowing this war was based entirely on a gigantic lie (a "noble lie" if you will) by some of the slimiest, most diabolical villains ever known to American politics. Yes, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld are dead and rotting in hell. But George W Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith are still alive. Neocons Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan and John Bolton who were the top dogs in PNAC (Project for a New American Century), which called for massive military spending and preemptive attacks (also a "New Pearl Harbor" which conveniently happened on 9/11) are also still alive. WHY HAVEN'T ANY OF THEM EVER BEEN CHARGED AS WAR CRIMINALS?????

The Straussian cabal is very real and still holds loads of ideological power within American politics. Many Neocons from the Bush II era have now since become Democrats and publicly supported Kamala Harris over Trump on the basis Trump wasn't Neocon enough. These people have names and addresses and have to face some kind of legal penalties so the world can finally have closure and the Neocon war criminals can finally reap what they sowed.
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>>2920802
>expecting women to be consistent

>>2883310
Can we convince Caleb to re-upload the “WHERE DID THE NEOCONS COME FROM?” slideshow video on his archive channel?

Holy shit it's back.


Jesus Christ bro, I miss the 2000s.



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>>2925665
>Both anti-Euro and anti-Atlanticist at the same time right?
Le Pen's RN was literally named "occident" (west) by the nazis who founded it, like the AfD they like europe and north america, they just want to make 4th reich fortress evropa with burger money against the jungle

>>2925289
während ich mit deepseek meine bisexuelle seite erforsche, leiste ich meinen objektiven beitrag zum aufbau des kommunismus.

das erkennt jeder, der materialistisch denkt.

wen nennst du hier also "beknackt"? 😎

>>2925667
Was bleibt dem Michel? Das ist doch die Frage. Man kann die tollsten Utopien und die ehrenwertesten Werte haben, aber in einem besetzten Staat wie unserem, bleibt nur die implizierte Wahl und die ermöglicht aktuell nur: Libertäre gegen den Krieg. Also wählt Michel Libertäre gegen den Krieg. Ich kann Michel hier absolut verstehen. Ihm ist es egal, wie er danach gefickt wird - Hauptsache, er muss nicht im Schützengraben sterben. Das ist einfach das Resultat von jahtelanger Zersetzung. Normalerweise hätte man schon Putschen müssen, als es um Taurus ging.

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Die Befreiung der Produktivkräfte und die Befreiung des Körpers sind kein Widerspruch.

Sie sind zwei Seiten desselben Prozesses.

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Hey everyone, I don't really understand what people mean when they say they are for 'prison abolition', I get the stuff about economic factors need to be tackled and there should be more services trying to stop recidivism, and keep people out of prison, but at the same time don't we still need prisons for the worst offenders? Or at least some kind of place to put people that are a danger to society? Do prison abolitionists have any kind of answer for this? What places should I research?
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>>2925067
>luckily he wasn't quite insane enough to actually fire at me but it scared the living shit out of me nonetheless,
Lucky he wasn't.
> i didn't respect the gun or respect him, i didn't think or feel anything at all, i just went into total fight or flight reflex mode and got the fuck out of there.
Lucky that worked out for you.

>>2925073
But yeah, sometimes I absolutely believe fight or flight is the better option. Never be me digging my own grave at gunpoint, but that is the good thing about a police force verses other armed people is you stand a better chance of not getting killed by folding to them.
>>2924971
>i mean my political views would probably fall into the category of anarchism but i'm not dumb enough to think that you can abolish the police. someone is going to be the police some way or another. if you go to places like juarez mexico and drive around the city, most places will be policed by the actual police, but there are certain areas where the police have been effectively abolished and in those zones the drug cartels are the police - they dress exactly like police with paramilitary uniforms and masks and tactical vests and carry assault rifles and handheld radios and they conduct patrols and traffic stops and arrests and raids and set up roadblocks and checkpoints, they pull you over and ask where you're going and what you're doing here and if you have any drugs or weapons in your car, etc. there are always police, it's just the way of the world.

>>2925073

well the point of the story is, as much as this guy believed that his gun gave him power and made him some kind of authority figure and as much as his actions affected me, nobody had any real authority in that situation, he wasn't really in control of himself or what i did, i wasn't really in control of myself or what he did, no one was in control, it was just chaos. and that's really the truth of the world, we don't control the world and when we try to we just create chaos, there is no authority. authority is an illusion that so-called authority figures try to reify through coercion and violence and then they deliberately misinterpret the involuntary visceral response of their so-called subordinates as a ratification of their so-called authority. like bill cosby out on a date they manufacture the consent and then they pretend like they didn't and tell themselves that the consent was genuine and they're just a straight up player.

Side topic. I just gotta say. "Deterrence" theory is fucking stupid. The idea that people will commit fewer crimes if there is more prisons, more cops, more sentencing, more judges, more death penalty, more torture, more arrests, etc is fuckin stupid. If anything the police state just widens the definition of crime so much that mere existence approaches criminality.

>>2925624
Deterrence theory isn't about more prisons or harsher punishment; it's about stronger enforcement of the existing law. Not sure why you think it's BS. People are less likely to commit forbidden acts if they know they'll certainly be caught. For example, murder rate dropped because murder is much harder to get away with nowadays.



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