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every major revolutionary or determinist marxist in history:
>the bourgeois/tsarist electorate is the most effective means of organizing the working class, serving as a megaphone, and even in potential victory laying the contradictions of the system bare.
every modern larpy communist org with 1500 members total which hasn't grown in 50 years and does nothing at all except sell pamphlets:
>noo you can't participate in elections that's hecking electoralism that's hecking revisionist
explain this?
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>>2838595
I think they're not mutually exclusive we should wage class war on all political fronts but we shouldn't have any illusions about individualism, mutual aid, unionism, reformism and parties, no one can emancipate labour other than labour itself, purity will only result in sectarianism and armchairism

>>2838595
Because the larpers know that participating in elections would actually be a clear metric that would show how disconnected they are from the working class when they get 0.5% of the vote lol.

If you notice, the larp and sect left never have concrete measurable goals for anything they do. Their whole modus operandi is diffusing ideology which literally can't be measured

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Nobody reads Lenin and everybody is a liberal.

See being a communist is not determined by "your beliefs" or by what you read, that's a liberal understanding. Being a communist is about your actions.
It doesn't matter if you're a theory buff, if you do not ACT communist then you are a liberal, that's hwhat.

Lenin tells you what TO DO and why to do it, it's the reason he's essential no-skip reading. Mao also helps with that. Log off and go do stuff, stop being a liberal NOW!

>>2839688
Ok? But if there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that is the only choice afforded to workers under capitalism then I may as well live as an apolitical normie but with the knowledge that the whole system is rigged.

>>2839688
>Lenin tells you what TO DO
No he doesn't. Reading Lenin literally without understanding his historical surroundings and the people he's debating will net you a bunch of contradictory and inapplicable positions



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https://www.marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1975/us-indochina.htm
>The American economy is geared to the world market, of which it requires an increasingly larger share as U.S. capital expands. If this share contracts — and it is bound to contract, should more nations turn away from the American-dominated world market towards a kind of "second world market" which restricts, or excludes, the exploitation of less-developed nations by the developed ones — it will force the internal American development into isolation and in the direction of a state-controlled economy.
Is this prediction basically in the process of being realized given the present conditions of multipolarity and the fact that the American economy has been running on state-subsidized tech bubbles? Does anyone have a statistical QRD of this tendency at hand?



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Third worldism taught us that oppressed nations can become oppressors once they snatch a seat at the imperial table. Poles were once white negroes. Now NATO uniforms wash away solidarity. Marx exalted them. Today, the city of COMECON friendship kisses the Pentagon's boot and calls it sovereignty. Yesterday's revolutionary becomes today's border guard.

What is to be done with Poles and other Volkerabfaelle?
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Liquidate the "Polish" people (made up nationality and fake culture) and have the Belarusians annex the territory as reparations for funding the Belarusian libtards.

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>>2839542
>artificial border between poland and russia
of all the insults aimed at ruthenia this one is my new favorite
>>2839460
guess who's made up and fake now

They're attention whores. Ignore them. It's that simple.

>>2839460
sorry lithuanian, you WILL get polish propaganda in your country and you WILL be part of the PNWO



 

I wrote this article on "Dare To Struggle", a front group for the "Organization of Communist Revolutionaries", itself a splinter group of the RCP (Bob Avakian's cult). There is basically nothing on the group on the internet besides its own posts and websites, I decided to change that. Notable things they've done are threatening to kill other leftist groups for being liberals (despite doing materially the same things as them) and somehow never getting in trouble for them, praising the Shining Path more than any other communist group that actually beat the capitalists in their country, and general retardation and LARPing. Would be interested in seeing what other people think about this group.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dare_To_Struggle_-_Organization_of_Communist_Revolutionaries
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>>2839586
He deleted his post, but Im pretty sure it was him, with his tripcode n everything. Talking the usual stuff trying to get people to write for his mag. Don't know if he posted anything since then

>>2839596 (me)
Just looked it up, this was about 3 days ago in /ISG/. He has not posted since then, but his last non deleted post is from around a week ago.

>>2839579
no one on /leftypol/ was stupid enough to donate to houdini; if anyone did it was just houdini funneling money to himself to fake it.

>>2839606
>the website where users fall for the most obvious bait and LLM slops posts all the time

2839606

Didn’t Houdini and that Juche posters account both post threads the same week with CashApp links? Lol. The feds aren’t that sharp, though. What’s way more likely than North Korean super-meth soldiers is just a handful of burned out leftists hooked on crystal, trying to scrape together cash so they don’t end up fully homeless. Cops aren't always the most creative, so they see that and go, “Yep, possible kingpin".



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Look, I used to be deep in the third internationale scene, councilcoms, leftcoms, NEP diehards, the whole united front of 3rd internationalist trash. Spent years on barricades in bavaria that went nowhere but to long jail terms and isolated comrades, who piss workers off.

Here's what nobody wants to say these movements don't actually want liberation. They want perpetual grievance. They'll talk about establishing a socialism in one country blah fucking blah but have you noticed how these never seems to include any plan for what happens after? How the only solution they offer is the destruction of the only social democracy in the region? Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would.

I'm just saying, i know the weimar regime is fucked, and yes social-democracy has a bad history, but ask yourself who benefits when the left fragments into a dozen purity spirals. Ask yourself why "build the productive forces" gets chanted louder than any concrete demand for soviet power or negotiated production. the third internationalists want open borders in the west but hard authoritarian borders in any region that acts as a hostile force to the west. Some of us are tired of romanticizing resistance that only ever produces more corpses and chauvinist nationalism.

you idiots want to come to terms with reality start by admitting your heroes are running a dangerous disgusting grift.

Yeah no shit lol. Career loonies love to go to normal one issue protests with a soviet flag making us all look stupid.

Just dumb it down, take the method of the right say shit like we will make sure you get more money, addressing climate change will make more jobs and more money. Take the slurs the capitalists use against migrants and use landlord specific slurs instead.

Keep it short and sweet no ten thousand hours of 19th century theory.

>>2839098
I know the post this is referencing lol

>Spent years on barricades in bavaria
>barricades
>in Bayern
Ahahahahaha, cool story bro
>Succdems bad, BUT…
>please don't support actual communists because they're losers i swear
>Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would
comedy gold

kys lib



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How do communists prevent capital flight? It seems like the capitalists will make the economy scream if you organize trade unions and put socialists in power. I suppose sanctions are a similar issue at a larger scale if you've smashed the state.
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>>2839422

literal Nazism.

>>2839369
Through incentives for foreign capital. They will not care if you give them good deal. and national capital cannot fly away because the conditions of profitability it's in the nation. If no revolution they prolly going to fund psyop, opposition, corruption, etc rather than just leave

>>2839431
4e you give them low taxes for 30 years plus other bonuses in exchange for local investment and local acquisition of shit and local funding of R&D and university and shit like that through a government promotion of some stupid bullshit

explain what you mean by prevention

>>2839422
Their argument was easier when property was mostly a physical thing, but the digitization of the economy has made this no longer the case; it's much harder to confiscate the latter than the former. Plus you have few options if your "skilled" labor force decides to emigrate (what are you going to do, create another iron curtain? Forget the impact on public opinion, it didn't work before and won't work now, but even if it did it would require a tiny country with a totalitarian regime like NK - aka not socialism at all, but Bonapartism), or when you need goods that require access to the international market (again, autarky doesn't work - even NK is dependent on China and Russia to access goods), the creation of a black market that undermines your official one, or just simply if you face foreign pressure in the form of sanctions, a denial of credit, or other means of financial isolation. This is why the need for an international coalition in order to overthrow an international system and move beyond it becomes apparent: history doesn't move backwards.



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Why does the left not focus on cooperativization rather than nationalization of industries? If we did manage to replace every company with a cooperative, would that not still be some kind of proto-Socialist position, albeit with markets still intact?
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>>2835115
This is called a smychka

>>2835129
>>2835130
>the value of a political theory lies in how many revolutions the theoretician personally started
by this logic the CIA is the ultimate revolutionary theorist since they have started hundreds of color revolutions.

Hi, guys

I would like to ask you guys to go to EU Inc. proposal page in "Have your say" portal to ask Commission to include cooperatives in their regulation. Here is all you need to know why that's important and to make it easier for you to write your feedback and provide sources too, anyway two studies (1)(2) commissioned by EU identified these problems with the existing SCE (European cooperative society) regulation:

1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital

2. Complicated registration procedures since all 27 member states have their own ways to register SCEs, frequently goverment institutions have no idea how to do it, for example one study references a situation where registration took a whole year, and there is no mechanism to notify other member states then SCE is registered in one state

3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countries which is arbitrary because all member state citizens are automatically EU citizens so it just needlessly makes it harder to register one

4. Little reason to use SCE legal form then national cooperative forms are much more convenient and can be used to operate cross-borders anyway and little knowledge and visibility that SCEs eve exist

Now proposed EU Inc. regulation would fix LITERALLY all of the problems mentioned above because:

1. It has very low capital requirement, so far the proposal only asks for 100 euros i.e. 300 times less than to set up a SCE
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This is a neat thread, do it again

>>2834694
>markets still intact
"Markets" is just another euphemism for capitalism. So called "coops" under capitalism are not what the name suggests as differences to other types of private commercial businesses such as shareholding are in practice miniscule and merely formal. In order to not get crushed by commercial market competitors privately owned "coops" must generate revenue, transform goods and products into commodities, accumulate capital and constantly expand just like any other capitalist. After a certain time however an operative threshold is reached and the effects of the falling rate of profit might kick in noticably, making maintaining revenue & growth more difficult. So in order to stay in business private commercial coops are bound to employ the usual bourgeois methods that is degrade product quality while the price is increased, cut r & d costs, degrade working conditions, cut wages of employees and "invest" in imperialist activities of the bourgeois state.
A "nationalized" coop under socialism or communism works entirely different, because socialist and communist economies are based on demand, not on the desire of bourgeois individuals to limitless hoard while preventing others from accessing and distributing resources for common purposes most efficiently.
"More coops" is pseudo-socialist liberal hogwash, it will change nothing substantially as the capitalist mode of production remains untouched.



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Communism is an impossibility, you’re never getting rid of the division of labor. Even if you got rid of entrepreneurs and investors and replaced them with the state you’ll never have factory workers doing brain surgery or high level accounting. Unless you rotate which sector sets the government agenda (which will inevitably benefit itself above the wider community) you’re just going to have a dictatorship of HR departments, which would be worse than the status quo.
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>>2813589
>you’re never getting rid of the division of labor.
so? division of labor is good. do you want plumbers doing neurosurgery?

>>2818963
If you have a problem with your brain, that’s your own fault and moral failure, every kind of surgery is just enabling bad behavior

>>2819008
Stop bumping slide threads, retard.

unfortunately true, but we can still fight for better concessions as workers. by fight i mean in the ballots, anything else usually just gives the state the excuse to outlaw socialism

>>2818963
>so? division of labor is good.
According to Marx, communism will abolish the division of labour.



 

Is the whole boomer vs. gen X vs. millennial vs. zoomer thing simply another form of false consciousness?

For example, someone born in 1986 and someone born in 1994 are both “millennials” but someone born in 1997 is a “zoomer” even though someone born in 1994 has a life experience much more like someone born in 1997 than they do someone born in 1986. Likewise, we don’t even know how to define when certain generations end or begin. Is the cut-off for boomers 1963, 1964, or 1965? To what extent does it matter?

It seems like scapegoating “boomers” for everything has become a popular thing to do on social media and I have to ask why is blaming the older generation somehow worthwhile? “Boomers were the hippies who ended up becoming conservative and voting for Reagan” — that doesn’t explain the material factors that lead to the rise of Reagan and neoconservatism in the first place. You can’t simply “blame boomers” when “boomer” exists in a materialist context. Likewise, you can’t blame Gen Xers and millennials for being “vain” or whatever when Gen Xers and millennials also faced material conditions beyond their control. So why are we placing blame on generations? Does it make any sense to do this?
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>>2838616
Gen X to the gulag too.

>>2838392
Agreed. I would talk to other people about Pokémon at school. Then I would watch the show and play the game later. It was a social experience that made Pokémon so succesful.

>>2838577
Gamergate was the “Franz Ferdinand” moment that ended up causing millions of millennial and zoomer men to embrace literal Nazism.

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>>2838598
>>2838683
You /pol/tards can give current and future generation /leftypol/ as well as insurance companies some risk relief by killing yourselves before you get old, preferably asap. Acknowledging your free will to save costs some insurance prick might even give you a free pass for using cutting edge western euthanasia tech if you ask nicely.

all generations suck equally, yet differently.



 

Recently saw a discussion in regards to "Third Worldism" as in MLM + unequal exchange (a non-Wallerstinian branch of world systems theory) having grown in influence in the anglophone/western, largely online, "communist" spaces.
Here is my dialectical engagement, as they were on to something important, not usually recognized, but also partially incorrect. I attempt to correct it ITT.

Unequal exchange, Mao/Chinese aesthetics and purely performative MLM rhetoric has grown in recent years… But with time comes change.

The original 90s ThirdWorldism "movement", centered in north-america diverged from MLM on a variety of theoretical issues, most crucially the revolutionary nature of the proletariat. They supplemented their divergence with integrating post-Marxist turns happening in word-systems theory (which was ongoing in western academia between the 80s and 90s). As ""Maoism" ThirdWorldism" largely accomplished nothing, other than maybe increasing confusion in the communist movement during the era of blackest reaction, we mostly remember them by their cartoony writing and online media available through archives from that era.

So if 90s Third Worldism was a north-american revisionist offshoot from MLM which integrated non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and rejecting revolution in the imperial core for rhetorical "support" of [far off, peripheral countries]… What are the particularities of the contemporary expression?

2020s Third Worldism can be observed as being a north-american right-wing revisionist movement which retains both the non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and the purely symbolic appeals to Mao, but now replacing the "MLM" pretender framing for the simpler, safer state ideology of social-imperialist China; that also just so happens to feign adherence to 'Mao Zedong Thought', even after it was systematically replaced with the Bukharinist-Dengist capitulationist counterrevolution. which is continued today, the true basis for Xi Jinping Thought, as the bureaucrat-monopoly capitalist heading the political line of the party has only deepened the cementation of a new pole in the capitalist imperialist world system since Deng, when neither as many NEZ, stock markets, overall % of bourgeois in the party or billionaires existed in China. Mao Zedong Thought lives on in the rural and urban areas of any militant area of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2758817
>Torkil Lauesen
Oh, this Torkil Lauesen?:
https://lemmy.ml/post/41148785
>Quote open:
Many comrades know that one of my side projects, is recording audiobooks and putting them on youtube and torrents for all to listen.
Many times when I record a book, its the first-reading, so if it turns out to be a bad book, I can always stop recording, and move on to the next one. Usually this happens early on in the book, as its fairly easy to tell if an author has anything of value to add.
Based on ComradeHakim’s recent book recommendation video, I decided to read something from an author I hadn’t before, Torkil Lauesen’s - The long transition towards socialism and the end of capitalism. PDF here
There were a few red flags early on in the book, that made me suspect that Lauesen was either a Trot or ultra-left (an idealist definition of socialism, a claim that the USSR wasn’t socialist), but it was difficult to discern, because the early part of the book was about early socialist history (the internationals), and didn’t make too many firm judgements.
It took until about 40% of the book was done, probably 7+ hours of recording wasted, until Lauesen shows his ultraleft politics. Chapter 12 is where it really comes out (you can read it in the pdf linked above). Some of his points:
He denounces the USSR as not socialist, and abandoning Marxism in favor of building a “state bureacracy”.
Denounces socialism in one country as abandoning internationalism.
Citing trotskyist writers like Deutscher to claim that Stalin was “authoritarian”, and a “schemer”, and ruthlessly eliminating/purging opponents.
Stalin is painted in the standard western caricature as a ruthless self-serving bureacrat who subverted socialism to build his own power.
Groups Lenin and Stalin as the “right-wing” of the bolsheviks while Trotsky represented the “left”.
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LaRouchintern

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Drop Site News founder Ryan Grim seen here (img related) defending SS tattoo on Platner.

BreakThrough News (PSL organ) promotes Dropsite News, seen here >>2834130

>>2839102
grim and drop site are libs
but "promotes" doesnt mean much

yawnnnn more third turdism, and maoposting. tldr



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