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the funniest thing about "anti-revisionism" vs "revisionism" is that it is not something Marx ever mentioned, because he would never imagine himself as the static, unchanging root of a globe-spanning political project called "Marxism" with various branches like "Marxism-Leninism", "Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Zedong-Thought", "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism", "Stalinism, "Hoxhaism" and so on . Instead, Marx revised himself several times during his own life, moving from a framework rooted in alienation and species-being, to a framework rooted in (what would later be called) historical and dialectical materialism. Engels famously said that he and Marx's system was a method, not a dogma, and Kim-Il-Sung repeated this when innovating Juche, as did Deng Xiaoping when innovating "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", make of that what you will. So if innovation is allowed and Marxism is a method, and not a dogma, why all the controversy about "revisionism?" If Marxism is meant to be applied to unique spatio-temporal conditions which outsiders, even sympathetic outsiders, usually fail to understand, why do outsiders always look for "revisionism" to condemn? Why not just accept that we are all striving not for "[insert the name of Great Men]" -ism but Communism and that our paths towards Communism are evolutionarily convergent from our different spatiotemporal standpoints rather than divergent from some imagined "anti-revisionist" standpoint? Am I being revisionist right now?

Let's look at how Marxists.org defines revisionism (you may disagree with each other on this very point):

> Revisionism


>A fundamental alteration of a theory, essentially usurping (though taking elements of) the former theory and replacing it with a new one. While the attributes of a theory are subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances, changing the fundamental basis of that theory is to nullify it in place of a new one.


Was Marx "Revisionist" when he revised himself? Who has the authority to decide the criteria for what is "subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances" and what is not?

I think the encouraging results of an even half-successful practice matter more than the purity of theory, personally.
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>>2807125
>This place has deteriorated
people are just tired of correcting the same repeat misconception hundreds of times from the same few trolls

>>2807870
the trolls outnumber the sincere anons and you know it. and being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level.

>>2808020
>being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level
thats why people just stop posting and leave

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The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.

There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.

Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!

Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
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>>2809916 (me)

I not only recommend the PRACTICE, but I truly think it is an OPTIMAL way of going about. Buddhism just has the most developed system of meditation in the world. There is no secular system that surpasses it, or if there is, it is a small project of some dedicated individuals and much harder to find than any mahayana sangha.

Meditation will greatly increase cognitive, conceptual, sentimental/emotional and alignment capacities/functions. By alignment I mean, truly being on the side of the suffering beings, not going astray being egoistic, really devoting your life to the cause. Some say that emotions, feelings, etc cannot be changed, but that's bullshit, meditation radically changes the way you feel, who you stand with, etc but this emotional side is only one part. It greatly increases pragmatic capacity, you become a much more functional person when you can control your discursive thinking, your imagination, your own personality, at will and it's not in automatic mode running endlessly and haphazardly all day long.

I've always thought that Buddhist philosophy fits with dialectics because everything is impermanent and interdependant

>>2809916
Metaphysics is mineable, tbh.

That's the particular point of Mahayana; the core documents are revealed forgeries, inconsistent, and no one cares that much that they're fake.

The important point is that despite all claims to materialism, Marxism ALSO has a metaphysics, epistemology, and ontology, and for some people this is a huge amount of its appeal, by offering an alternative to both vulgar and liberal epistemologies and ontologies.

>>2810542
By metaphysics I do not mean ontology, but the type of (obsolete) thinking that mind has intuitive access to intelligible realities that exist in themselves, and which has the pretension of extracting predicates of necessity from such abstract realities that apply to particular entities. For example, since intelligibly the relation of cause-effect require a primal substance in order to make sense of further things, as everything is always the consequence of something that happened before it, then one may conclude that there must be necessarily be a primal uncaused cause in order for the world to make sanse and have integrity. It is in this sense that buddhist thought is metaphysical, since it claims to know realities such as previous lives, metempsychosis, spiritual worlds such as pure lands and etc.

And when I said that the sutra/tantra and layers of commentaries format is troublesome, I didn't say so because of some notion of authorial legimitimacy. This is, in fact, only a Buddhist concern and legitimization strategy, that western-style thinking since Socrates has completely rejected, establishing the sole legitimacy of the concepts' immanent content, systematicity, coherence… Of course, this principle didnt always function in full force in all western history, but it was always available and consistently effective, until it gained full recognition after the advent of modernity, at least virtually so. If buddhist philosophy had achieved this, what we can call "the absolute sovereignty of the concept (in spite of great religious-style figures)" it would be a philosophy on the same footing as western style thinking, but befause of its monastic, religious, doctrinal character, it remains powerless and will be always deconstructed and anylized and integrated by philosophy, not viceversa. This is why I recommend anons to stick to Buddhist meditational practice, over which it still has a monopoly so to say, and leave as secondary it's philosophy.

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>noooo! everyone has to eat acorns naked in the forest
Wtf was his problem?



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<ITT: discuss various forms of localist politics, e.g. communalism, municipalism, other forms of localist socialist governance, distributism, etc

there are some who still complain that russia was "socialism in one country". i contend that they are right, not because the concept is absurd, but because they do not go far enough. we have not yet taken stalin's gnosis to its logical conclusion and brought it to the hyper-financialized modern era

the current dichotomy in modern discourse has largely been between reformism and revolutionism. ultimately both forms make the mistake of operating as though contradictions are uniformly distributed. it is either you immediately go against the whole system in order to take it down, or you work with the whole system in order gradually reform it into socialism. why are these ultimately the only two notions entertained? the first approach underestimates the adaptability of monopoly capital or they fail to see the difficulty in coordinating an immediate revolution across large spans of the country. i think we all can see the failure of the second approach with its disregard for the blatant capture of bourgeois institutions by capital. maybe instead of still operating at such a high level of social change, we should focus more on what we can achieve on lower levels

this was part of the wisdom in "socialism in one country", it was the recognition that the contradictions were ripe in certain regions over others thanks to imperialism, and the specificity of these contradictions to particular regions only supports rather than detracts from the cultivation of determinate national character (contrary to industrial capital, which constantly strives towards maximal hyperconnectivity and the erosion of all national determinateness). ultimately, if you can not even achieve socialism in one country, there is much less hope in achieving socialism globally. now, we must of course acknowledge that "socialism in one country" was a logical response to imperialism, with the latter's tendency to unite the various classes within a society against a common imperialist bourgeois enemy. it is easy to see this and conclude that various forms of third-worldism are the answer. my issue with such a position is that it simply gives us an excuse to sit on our asses all day. if we actually carefully analyze things, we would notice that developed western nations have a tendency to, after thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>i see a decent amount of potential in bookchin's municipalism as a strategy.
What happened to Rojava? It got crushed.

What happened to EZ(LN) Natlibs? Dissolved unable to fight against cartels.

>>2811791
first of all, i am not an autonomist/communizer and i have already critiqued immediate revolutionism

second of all, "global capital" is really imperialist capital. dismantling capitalism in the imperial core does not have the same significance as doing it in some peripheral nation.

actually, there is an extent to which finance capital has attempted to, at some level, dismantle globalization itself. we have seen this with the dismantling of programs that projected american soft power and the erection of various forms of nationalism. deindustrialization has also made the us increasingly incompetent at projecting hard power as well, as can be seen with the iran war. domestically, again various federal institutions have experienced mass layoffs as well

this is not to mention the fact that international struggle was most effective when there were determinate socialist states that were "socialism in one country"

>>2811794
zapatistas are still here. note that i am not suggesting to engage in either of their strategies as for them to gain steam already presupposes some sort of major crisis that weakens the sphere of control of a bourgeois government. at the same though, i do think that the us could possibly enter into a crises in the future if it continues to fail at upholding its imperialism starting with iran. if this happens, the dynamics of the situation would be different from that of rojava as it would entail the destabilization of the very imperial core that would sabotage socialist projects worldwide

>>2811751
Socialism in one compound

>>2811834
Critical support to the cartels fighting against the Zapatista National Liberation libtards

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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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>>2808264
Ayo hol up, why are petty bourgs allowed to have restaurant business in Cuba, ML sisters??!

>>2808277
everyone knows Cuba is socdem, you need to manufacture more advanced bait on this issue

>>2808277
why do you shit up every thread?


>>2698776
I'm donating my copy of Dialogue with Stalin to Cuba, hope it helps



 

Trump lands in China for high-stakes summit with Xi Jinping, as Iran war looms over talks
Trump was accompanied by his son Eric and daughter-in-law Lara as well as tech leaders including Elon Musk of Tesla and Jensen Huang of the chip-maker Nvidia. The US president has plans for headline-grabbing deals and previously predicted that China’s leader, Xi Jinping, would “give me a big, fat hug when I get there”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/13/trump-china-summit-xi-jinping-talks

People demand “Bato” arrest
Various organizations widely condemned the Senate’s indulgence and defense of Sen. Ronald “Bato” dela Rosa after the International Criminal Court (ICC) publicly issued an arrest warrant against him in the afternoon of May 11. The ICC confirmed the warrant for dela Rosa’s role in the Duterte regime’s “war on drugs.” ICC spokesperson Oriane Maillet stated the court issued the warrant on November 6, 2025. Authorities made the previously “secret” document “public” only this May.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/angbayan/people-demand-bato-arrest/

Philippine vice president impeached by lawmakers over suspected wealth and threats
The House, which is dominated by President Ferdinand Marcos Jr.’s allies, voted 257-25 with nine abstentions. The two impeachment complaints against Duterte, which will now be elevated to the Senate for a trial, mark an initial setback to her plan to seek the presidency in 2028. Shortly before the impeachment vote in the House, Senate President Vicente Sotto III, who had vowed to immediately put the vice president to trial, was ousted by 13 of 24 senators, including supporters of the vice president and her father, former President Rodrigo Duterte.
https://apnews.com/article/philippines-vice-president-duterte-impeachment-5d619c24ae6ef880d3c03bbcdccc1536

Ethnic Groups Are Fleeing Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts in Search of Safety in Myanmar
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Senate fails to curb Trump’s war on Iran even as Republican opposition grows
The war powers resolution proposed by Jeff Merkley, a Democratic senator from Oregon, failed in a 49-50 vote. All Democrats with the exception of John Fetterman of Pennsylvania supported its advancement. Since the conflict began in February, Democrats have repeatedly offered such resolutions, without success. But for the first time on Wednesday, Alaska’s Lisa Murkowski voted in favor, joining fellow Republicans Rand Paul of Kentucky and Susan Collins of Maine. All other Republicans in attendance voted against it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/13/trump-iran-senate-war-powers

Democrats bypass Mike Johnson on Ukraine aid with GOP help
This is the eighth time in the last three years that a discharge petition has been used by some combination of Democrats and Republicans to do an end-run around GOP leadership. Just in the 119th Congress, lawmakers have succeeded in garnering the necessary 218 signatures to force votes on a half dozen bills covering everything from proxy voting in the House to releasing the Epstein files to extending Affordable Care Act tax credits.
https://www.axios.com/2026/05/13/ukraine-aid-discharge-petition-mike-johnson-kiley
https://archive.ph/tb3IL

House Progressives Demand Pentagon Answer for Alleged Abuse in US-Ecuador Operation
Backed by anti-war and human rights organizations, 20 “deeply concerned” progressives in the US House of Representatives sent a letter to the Pentagon on Wednesday demanding answers about “reports of serious human rights violations and the bombing of what appear to have been civilian facilities during joint US-Ecuador military operations conducted in northern Ecuador.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ecuador-us-troops

REI union workers call for boycott of co-op’s biggest annual sale
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Wartime Iran’s Political Transformation
For seven weeks, American and Israeli air power dominated Iranian skies. High-altitude surveillance, precision strikes on military infrastructure and apartment buildings in Tehran, and near-uncontested flight paths defined the opening phase of the conflict. Iran absorbed the blows and responded not with the guerrilla tactics of Baghdad’s roads but with long-range missiles, mass-produced drones, and a defensive posture that held the line. In the final days before the ceasefire, an F-15 and an A10-warthog were downed by optical tracking systems. Whether this was a replicable technical achievement or a fortunate anomaly remains to be seen. What was not ambiguous, however, was the fact that Iran was able to close off the Strait of Hormuz to maritime traffic. In response, global energy markets convulsed. The war had become a world event. Politics also shifted in Iran. Just a few months ago, in January, the main question there was economic. Inflation. Housing. The price of food. The Masoud Pezeshkian government’s austerity package had hollowed out household budgets and sent tens of thousands into the streets. Today the question is imperial. The war has not erased material suffering — it has reframed it. The choice presented to every Iranian is no longer about fiscal policy or subsidy reform. It is about sovereignty versus incorporation into an imperial order that already governs much of the region. Donald Trump’s ill-advised war has revealed Iran as a unique formation in modern history: a neoliberal anti-imperialist state. Austerity at home, resistance abroad. On paper, a contradiction, in practice, the state’s operating logic. This is why Iran oscillates between protests against austerity and displays of national solidarity — sometimes within the same month.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/starmer-toast-stop-farage-now-britains-left-wing-forces-must-unite

Starmer is toast. To stop Farage now, Britain's left-wing forces must unite
The architects of New Labour have eviscerated the Labour Party twice, once when former Prime Minister Tony Blair took Britain into the Iraq War in 2003, and now under the leadership of Keir Starmer. Unlike other Labour crises - such as the short-lived rebellion ofPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Man its been like 9 years of news anon
Thank you for your service



 

Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee from their text called "The Call" (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-call). They are a part of the anarchist side of communization and, like mainstream communization, they support the immediacy of revolution and the abolition of the working class. They are also insurrectionist.

From what I've heard they are very problematic, with some individuals claiming that they harass fellow anarchists who disgaree with them. There's this article written by an ex-member of the appelistes, claiming that they were bigotted, didn't protect the women within the appelist circle from rapists, and that they were hostile towards other anarchists. (https://anarchistnews.org/content/jumping-ship-or-why-im-defecting-terrible-community)

They have also been seen as reformist, as one anarchist claims that they were "the French tiqqunists who sold out anarchists at the Zad in order to negotiate for state-sanctioned land projects." (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/some-intractables-more-talk-more-rock).

Both the articles linked give a lot more detail to how problematic they are, so please read them if you want more detail.
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bump

>be anarchist vanguard
>have zero motion
>name your group the invisible committee
is this a sign that anarkiddies are becoming self aware?

I think the books are interesting and I liked them but those people suck for sure, if you try to work with them they make everything dramatic and difficult. When I was doing the yellow vests at some point we raised funds with many groups them included for prisoner support, and the money they raised disappeared, never ended in the legal fund. And they had a lot because they threw a big ass party advertised to do this. So yeah fuck those guys

>>2811556
Sorry that you and your compatriots had the unfortunate opportunity of dealing with them. What do you think the reason is for their toxicity? Also what did they do with the money?

>>2810619
>Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee
Adventurist retardation



 

>Traffic congestion in the Metropolitan Area of the Valley of Mexico generates an annual cost of 47 billion pesos, a figure that represents half of the total economic losses caused by traffic in the country’s main cities, reported Juan José Sierra Álvarez, national president of Coparmex.
>The leader pointed out a marked imbalance in public investment: while 47% of the mobility budget is allocated to private cars —used by only a quarter of the population— public transportation, which moves 39% of citizens, receives only 1.2% of the resources. This lack of investment forces public transport users to lose 118 hours per year commuting, significantly exceeding the 71 hours averaged by motorists.

Who is Coparmex you ask?
Coparmex (Mexican Employers’ Confederation) is a major business organization in Mexico.
In simple terms:
It represents business owners and employers
It advocates for private sector interests
It speaks out on public policy, economic issues, and labor laws
It is not a labor union for workers, but for employers
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>>2811120
you are consistently the worst poster on the website. public transit saves space, cuts down on traffic, and reduces pedestrian injuries

>>2811082
The bourgeoisie get to keep the same surplus value either way, dummy. "Costs" are payments to the bourgeoisie!

If you make $2000 worth of goods a month, are paid $1000 a month and pay $500 in rent, that's $500 for you and $500 for the bourgeois landlord, $1500 to the bourgeoisie total. If you're paid $500 instead but your rent is free, the landlord gets $0 and your employer gets to keep $1500 of value… $1500 to the bourgeoisie! It's the same thing!

>>2811318
Cool story bro, I am not getting in ze pod just because that's more profitable for porky

I want porky to make less profits, not more
I want proles to be discontent with their trajectory to snd from work

>>2811327
You are retarded

>>2811375
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>>2811638
I already gave you an argument here >>2809615



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Some anon posted this article in another thread but I think it's interesting as its own. Here are some key points:
https://engelsbergideas.com/notebook/the-irgcs-way-of-war/
  1. the Islamic Republic is not organised around a single person: its institutional design prioritises not the fate of any leader, but rather the preservation of the system itself.
  2. The Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) provides a clear example. The SNSC brings together military officials (army and IRGC commanders), key ministers (intelligence, foreign affairs, interior), the president, and other key figures,
  3. The SNSC effectively serves as the central body responsible for formulating core policies on national security
  4. Through the SNSC, senior regime officials deliberate and make decisions through consensus, decisions that are formally ratified by the Supreme Leader. Decision-making thus occurs through an institutionalised and collegial process rather than through unilateral directives from the top.
  5. The armed forces are similarly depersonalised and horizontal.
  6. in wartime, local commanders have been empowered under Iran’s ‘Mosaic Defence’ policy, which enables them to act independently, especially if senior leaders are killed or communications are cut
  7. The IRGC emerged as an amalgamation of revolutionary militias

Honestly, this seems to be in line with what I would expect an honest communist party to strive (well, most of it). 1. is essentially collective leadership, 2. 3. 4. is democratic centralism, 5. is partisan warfare and 6. 7. is a network of soviets.

the great and avthentic revolutionaries are two: Deng Xiaoping and Ali Khamenei.

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>Western leftists when asked if they could recognize Iranian workers as equals and capable of struggle (the alternative is supporting a neoliberal theocracy)



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What exactly is israel's endgame with gaza? So far only 80k people out of 2.3 million if israel wanted to genocide them all they would've done so already.
What's the endgoal here?
What can they hope to achieve?
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read machiavelli and you will understand

>>2783668
I don't think they'll take them because while Arab elites are gigacucks their population are 99% fanatically anti-israel and would take welcoming them as betraying arabs and sucking jewish cock. It's the reason Gaza still exist today btw.

>>2782961
They wish to bring about the Jewish messiah. The religious nuts over there have similar goals to the evangelicals trying to cause armageddon in the us.

>>2782961
Gaza isn't the center of Israel's desires, Israel only views Gaza on the long term, thats why they aren't bothering with rapid genocide, but rather concentrated with starving the place and destroying the infrastructure.
Israel's main goals are in the West Bank, their objective is to get rid of Palestinians there in order to annex the place.
With the large scale regional instability, they are also seeing opportunities in unstable state such as Lebanon and Syria.
Their interest in this expansion are two fold, they are getting rid of ennemies, and they are causing internal troubles in these countries as their annexations make these countries unstable due to the apparent weakness of the government.
Israel has the nuclear weapon, they know that no serious power can threaten them. Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, even Iran, none of them can destroy Israel even if they wanted to, because Israel can obliterate those countries, they don't view Palestine as a threat anymore either. Gaza has also opened the mind of the people in charge of Israel, as it showed them that they could commit a genocide with barely any consequences, so they realise that no one is stopping them in their expansion.
And yet here we are again, Israel taking over south Lebanon and not a word is a spoken internationally.
I think this is something more and more country are realising, America is unable and unwilling to keep the borders of the post cold war world, thats why you're seeing a lot more wars between states (Ukraine, Israel, Thailand-Cambodia, Afghanistan-Pakistan-India)

>>2782961
The death toll is definitely wayyyy higher than 80k, and you also have to account for refugees who have fled.



 

I keep running into a particularly insidious type of revisionism. The "Deng Won" revisionism. It is stated repeatedly by disguised fascists, capitalists, and liberals (but I repeat myself) larping as communists on our board and misusing the concept of realpolitik that capitalist roader party bureaucrats can be deified, and, failing that, rehabilitated. Let me be perfectly clear. The party bureaucrats, the capitalist roaders, and the opportunist labor aristocracy cannot be "deified" or "rehabilitated" under any circumstances. They must all be liquidated alongside their inbred pedophile worker-hating Nixonist-Kissingerist counterparts. It is not the duty of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat to waste precious and limited resources attempting to coddle and reeducate opportunists who in 99.9…% of circumstances will betray the working class, because they secretly harbor counter-revolutionary opinions, and collaborate amongst themselves to foment bourgeois counter-revolution. I don't care if they "raised billions out of poverty.". You put a bullet in their fucking head. Morality is not real. It is a theistic bourgeois construct regarding property relations. It does not matter if this is "good" or "bad." You put the bullet in the bourgeois bootlicker's brain or he will grow strong enough to kill you and everyone you love and destroy everything you fought for. Do you understand? If not, you are a liberal, a fascist, a capitalist roader, and you ought to be hung by your genitals from the nearest lamp post next to the rotting corpse of Bukharin. You are not a comrade, you are a coward, and vermin, to be exterminated alongside the ruling class, their children, their pets, and their lickspittle servants. This isn't a question of "nurture vs nature" either. This is a question of risk mitigation and victory maximization. I am not "weird" or a "freak" or "hate children" for understanding this. Take heed this quote from Mark Twain (Who, despite being a feckless bourgeois 19th century liberal, was perfectly capable of understanding the need for Revolutionary Terror):

>“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the mom
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>>2811336
trvke
>>2811338
i promise you i have high quality consensual sex with adults more often than either of you

>>2811336
Oil porkys still profit from Diesel used in bus fuel and tons of other petroleum products

>>2811330
>I am only pretending to ve mindbroken
Lol

>>2811361
if you think "raped" and "foid" are args maybe /pol/ is more your speed lil bro

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>>2811259
>the working class only gets paid enough to stay alive
Total iron law of wages victory!

>>2811383
Im not saying that at all



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