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Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels developed a way of understanding society, history, and social change that remains essential for anyone trying to make sense of the world today. Their work is not a collection of abstract ideas or moral pronouncements. It is a method of analysis, a critique of capitalism, and a political project aimed at creating a more equitable world. This guide introduces the fundamental concepts of Marxism in accessible language.

The materialist foundation
The most basic distinction in Marxist thought is between idealism and materialism. Idealism holds that ideas come first, that the material world is shaped by thoughts and concepts. Religious and magical thinking are forms of idealism, as is the common belief that human nature is fixed and unchangeable. Materialism holds the opposite: material conditions come first, and our ideas arise from them. Marxists believe that how a society produces food, shelter, and other necessities shapes everything else, including our ideas, beliefs, and values. This does not mean ideas don't matter. It means they emerge from material conditions and cannot be understood apart from them. When people ask why human beings behave in certain ways, Marxists look first to the economic and social structures in which people live.

Historical materialism
Historical materialism applies this way of thinking to history. The material conditions of a society determine its social structure, and class struggle drives historical change. Societies evolve through different modes of production, each containing internal contradictions that eventually lead to its replacement.

Human history has passed through several stages. There was primitive communism, where hunter-gatherer societies existed without class divisions. Slave society built ancient civilizations on slave labor. Feudalism followed, with its lords, serfs, and peasants. Capitalism is the industrial system we live under today. Each stage contains contradictions that lead to its replacement by a new system, and capitalism is no exception.

Class struggle
Class struggle is at the center of Marxist analysis. In every class society, a ruling class controls the means of production and an oppressed class does the work. Under capitalism, the bourgeoisie owns factories, machinery, land, and other productive property. The proletariat owns only its laPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The state and its fate
Marxism views the state—government, police, military, and courts—as an instrument of class rule. It is not neutral. Under capitalism, the state protects private property, enforces contracts favorable to capital, suppresses worker resistance, and promotes capitalist ideology.

After a socialist revolution, the proletariat would use the state to suppress the old ruling class. But as class distinctions disappear, the state becomes unnecessary. It would wither away, replaced by cooperative, democratic management of society. This is not anarchism. It is a prediction about what happens when class antagonisms end. The state exists because classes exist. When classes are eliminated, the state has nothing to do.

Reform and revolution
Marxism argues capitalism cannot be reformed into a just system. Its contradictions will intensify and cannot be resolved within the system. Reforms can improve conditions in the short term, but they are always limited, can be rolled back, and do not change the fundamental power structure. Eventually, reforms reach their limits.

Revolution means the working class takes state power, the means of production are socialized, and society is reorganized in the interests of the majority. This is not a coup or a rebellion. It is a political process that requires workers to develop class consciousness, organize collectively, and seize control of the state.

Workers must understand their position in society, recognize their common interests, and realize the need for collective action. This does not happen automatically. Effective revolution requires trade unions for economic struggle, political parties for political struggle, and leadership to provide strategy and coordination.

The phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" is widely misunderstood. It does not mean dictatorship in the authoritarian sense. It means workers exercise political power, the old ruling class is suppressed, and democracy is extended to the majority rather than reserved for the wealthy.

Socialism and communism
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Marxism and anarchism
Marxists and anarchists share opposition to capitalism, but they differ on fundamental questions of strategy and organization. Marxists see the state as a tool that can be used for liberation. Anarchists view all states as inherently oppressive. Marxists argue a transitional worker's state is necessary. Anarchists believe the state must be abolished immediately. Marxists emphasize organization and discipline. Anarchists favor spontaneous action and decentralization. Marxists see revolution as a process requiring planning. Anarchists envision revolution as immediate and total.

Imperialism
Lenin extended Marx's analysis to understand imperialism, which he called the highest stage of capitalism. Imperialism is characterized by monopoly capitalism, where giant corporations dominate; finance capital, where banks control industry; the export of capital to less developed countries; the division of the world among capitalist powers; and intensified competition leading to war. Imperialism is not a policy choice. It is the logical outcome of capitalism's drive for profit and expansion.

Why Marxism matters today
Marxism remains relevant because the problems it identified have only grown more urgent. The environmental crisis is driven by capitalism's profit motive, which treats nature as an infinite resource and externalizes environmental costs. Capitalist competition leads to war, arms races, and conflict. Inequality is not a side effect of capitalism. It is a feature of the system.

Only a planned economy based on human need, not profit, can address ecological collapse. Peace is impossible within a system based on competition for markets and resources. Capitalism produces not just inequality but also fascism and authoritarianism as responses to its own crises.

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>>2842768
>Imperialism

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>>2842766
>as is the common belief that human nature is fixed and unchangeable
Material conditions bless Karl Marx he found that human nature was, is and will be labor!



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Unless men are maddened in the battlefield they cannot stand it to hear appeals for help and not respond to them. The hero goes, and what the hero does, all feel they ought to have done as well. The sophisms of the brain cannot resist the mutual aid feeling, because this feeling has been nurtured by thousands of years of human social life and hundreds of thousands of years of prehuman life in societies.
-Kropotkin

In the US when I hear a defense of our founding fathers who owned slaves, particularly Jefferson and Washington, I always hear that morals were just different back then and that you basically can’t expect these people to know any better in 1776. This is stupid.

Morality is a constant. You know when you’re harming someone or inconveniencing them. You should think of how they feel about it and you should judge particularly impactful interactions for yourself and others from as many angles as possible as many times as possible. Don’t be neurotic, but hearing the screams of someone being whipped shouldn’t take a struggle session and psychological damage to evoke emotions over. Ruminating on all the memories that stick out we which ones we could’ve and should’ve acted better in. It’s a natural, gut instinct that some defective people may be born without, but it’s a common factor that should be the basis for society.

This is very vague, I’ve only described a notion of what’s “moral” or “not moral” and these categories do need to be demystified, but the constant shifting and adjusting for moral shores is the job of legislatures. I know many will come and start posing moral hypotheticals which I’ll be happy to answer, but in a world where were giving back to the billionaires directly without even bothering to mask it, giving back to foreign proxy’s with shrinking domestic protections, and giving back to politicians, cops and even criminals willing to abuse the courts system without any consideration or efficiency for the people making the system run, I want to focus on at least starting to round the edges.

I know this places namesake is 4chan. I see the reading list contains antisemitic texts, not just chapters from Bakunin, but shit like The Jewish Question and a section on German Idealism. I’m not an idiot, but clearly you’re all here because you feel something that keeps you off platforms like instagram and twitter and yet a compulsion to strive for better than 4chan. Typically the most politically involved Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2827879
>Unless men are maddened in the battlefield they cannot stand it to hear appeals for help and not respond to them.
Damn, this guy lived in a crazy bubble. How could an aristocrat like him get such a rosy view of humanity? Did he never overhear his peers talking about the lower orders?

>>2842685
He wrote this after escaping a tsarist gulag and spending nearly 30 years exiled in Western Europe. The man was born aristocratic but willingly chose to become a naturalist and advocate for the rights of all men, which got him thrown in prison. He knew more of the depravity of mankind than I think most of us ever will.

I wouldn't say morality is constant, but it is true that there's a kernel of human empathetic instinct around which most moral systems develop. Even the most blatantly horrific atrocities like chattel slavery and the Holocaust had to make extensive ideological efforts to dehumanize the victims. The perpetrators knew that if anybody saw them as human beings, the inherent instinct for empathy would undermine their legitimacy. Ever since its inception, class society has had to wage a constant battle against this instinct in order to survive. Kropotkin definitely had a point about communism being the truest expression of humanity's natural social and empathetic inclinations.

>>2842784
>I wouldn't say morality is constant
I think there are cultural contexts which give some things more or less meaning, but the effect you’ve had on others could, can, and always will be able to be quantified along the exact same lines of good and bad.



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Both were against to differing degrees singular individuals accumulating extreme wealth to oppose everyone. Both wanted high decentralization and sometimes assumes an agrarian material world. Jeffersonian democracy is interesting because it's based on the idea that people can govern themselves without experts leading them, and that liberty is kept alive through local organization autonomy and action.

Jefferson himself however was a slave owner and a rapist and a bad person, but I don't think that invalidates some of his ideas. And he supported private property.

Thoughts?
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some of the founding fathers were based

>>2839560
Paine. That's it.

>>2839560
Most were

>>2839439
The probably with Jeffersonian democracy is eventually all the yeoman farmers turn into proles.

socialism was just the logical conclusion to liberalism, but liberals stopped being radicals once they became the new elite



 

Any predictions for the outcome of the 2026 American midterm elections?

Any socialists on the ballot?

Any guesses as to how the redistributing/gerrymandering issue will play into things?

How do you think issues like Trump’s wars, the tariffs, ICE raids, Black issues, Medicare For All, the climate, voting rights, abortion, trans issues, autistic/neurodivergent issues, and Palestine will affect the outcome? For instance, are we seeing a split in the Democrats over Palestine and other foreign policy issues?
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>>2813177
History has shown that doesn’t happen, quite the opposite, fascism is a tool of the bourgeois to stop Communism.

>>2822323
It’s literally worse at that than regular liberal democracy, especially social democracy

either the republicans gerry their mander hard enough to maintain their majority or we are about to see the funniest
round of republican republican moralfagging since kirk got shot

We should make this a general methinks

>>2817147
but North Carolina might become communist in the u.s senate. just wait and see in November.



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>>2841631
>I think people get really moralist about the military even though it's completely chuddy. I think that basically what you have to do is appeal to a sense of honor and paint communist revolutionaries as honorable soldiers fighting for their home and the working class.
I think historically communists trying to agitate in the military with very immediate concerns. It's like tenant organizing. You probably won't start out with the communism but about how the landlord sucks and doesn't fix anything. What the military recruitment commercials don't tell people is that the military actually sucks, it can be really demoralizing, and you're bossed around by complete morons.


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>>2841487
>if the working class actually exercises its primary strength as identified by Marx, that of the ability to withhold work, it's just bargaining and expecting the bourgeoisie to roll over


well damn i guess marx was just a retarded liberal.




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Prior to 2016 (when Trump was first elected POTUS), conspiracy culture was left-coded as shown by how 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, General Motors streetcar conspiracy, etc… were mostly leftists or leaned to the left in the political spectrum, with GWOT-era Michael Moore’s documentaries being the prime example. Funnily enough, the mainstream American right-wing during the Bush presidency was far more elitist and anti-conspiratorial than their leftist contemporaries, and that was when the American left was more populist since it was the underdog during the GWOT era (especially the faction opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan).

It’s only after 2016 that you see the big shift as the post-2008 American left became less populist and more elite, “woke”, and prestigious as opposed to the GOP which started to become more prole-coded, lower-class and populist. The cracks began with the Tea Party, and MAGA just accelerated the shift, to the point that MAGA turned from a faction within the GOP to being the top faction, so much so that any republican candidate would be committing social suicide by not being 100% devoted to MAGA.

Now that the American right (particularly MAGA) has become the incumbent, you’re starting to see some kind of return to the old status quo as right-wing influencers like Nick Fuentes and The Blaze are shitting on conspiracists, beginning with Epstein. Part of it is because Nick hates cringe and poor people, and part of it is that, now that the movement he supports is in power, all the talks about “deep state” this and that is counterproductive now that Trump (the guy Qanon prophesied to stop Epstein) is in charge. In the meantime, the American left has successfully seized on Trump acting guilty by ridiculously walking back on the Epstein files, to the point of dismissing it as a ‘Democratic hoax’. Likewise you have various MAGA influencers like Azealia Banks defending Epstein or denying it, even if it means going against their priors. This is concurrent with how the Epstein saga has transformed into a form of lumpenised class consciousness across the American left, to the point that this sort of populist Epstein-related conspiratorialism (such as allegations of cannibalism and satanism) has reached all of Latin America, the entire western left, as well as the Iranian government (if its LEGO AI videos are proof of anything).

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Do the Zeitgeist movies by Peter Joseph count as "conspiratardism"?

It was one of the things that made me a communist.

>>2841419
no he's a left-liberal who got into an internet spat with hasan piker fans

>>2838931
>General Motors streetcar conspiracy
that isn't a conspiracy you fucking idiot

>>2842076
If the streetcar systems were profitable and being deliberately destroyed by a conspiracy, why were so many transit operators already in severe financial trouble before the acquisition campaign began? And how do you distinguish between accelerating an existing trend and causing that trend?

>>2838931
Bro, I can’t believe that you Didn’t cite AIDS denialism. Like, the whole thing probably wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for gay men trying to minimise or deny the effects of AIDS (“GRIDS”, as it was called) since it implicated gay people and their libertine lifestyle at the time.



 

Despite some of the inherited Leftist rhetoric, a lot of modern Leftoids and especially American ones, jfc, just come across as hating and despising most ordinary people. If you think they are irredeemably racist and sexist, patriarchal, white supremacist, contaminated with so many 'bad ideas' and the 'muck of ages' that they need to be 'deprogrammed' before they can begin to be part of your oh so effective attractive politics (lol), any notion that the Left is interested in, let alone capable of, helping to produce a mass workers' movement will just not be credible. If your party is full of people who are agoraphobic shut-ins who won't be told that if they want to be ultra radical activist whatevers then they need to speak to normal people and be marginally normal, then you'll be laughed at, and with good reason.

Normies look at the actually existing Left, what it claims for itself and what it claims to be wanting to do, the immense difficulty of it, and they laugh and they do not want to touch it, with their lack of time, money and energy, *and they are not wrong to do so*. It isn't (all) 'muh false consciousness'.

You cannot be seen as just a performatively radical subculture which despises, in practice, most normal people. You cannot fear populist politics because gasp you may have to rub shoulders with people with some dodgy and confused politics. That is the name of the game.

This is why griftoids like ACP get some of the credibility they do because at least they are willing to say the emperor has no clothes and not to just hate normal people.

This sentiment really is the dominant attitude of so much of the Left and it fizzes off so many of us all the time. And I hate it.

Just a vent. Needed to be said.
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>>2841937
Lenin said so bro

>>2840962
Most eschatological movements and 'ideologies' (including much of online 'leftism') hate ordinary people. They're all dumb, filthy, hedonistic, ignorant sinful sheeple etc who should be cynically manipulated, used, sacrificed and exterminated in the name of the "greater good". (i.e. some apocalyptic hyperreal narrative compensating for socio and psychosexual insecurities)
Anyway ACP is led by freaks too. Most people just wanna grill, nothing ever happens etc.

>>2841846
>After spending almost 20 years attacking them for completely delusional reasons.
Literally just doubling down on not taking any responsibility. Literally reactionary.
>>2841846
>It's not about introspection, even progressive straight white guys were attacked. In fact they were the ones that got attacked the most by their "political allies".
And what are you doing right now?

>>2840962
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>This is why griftoids like ACP get some of the credibility they do because at least they are willing to say the emperor has no clothes and not to just hate normal people.
Haz doesn't do that. He is a lazy streamer who never worked a day in his life. Saw him harassing random people at work while he was streaming on the street in LA just so he can make stream slop. Saw him then go and rant about how he would raze LA to the ground because… l can't really say… just he was dissapointed in his trip and he waan't just swimming in pussy and praise from people from some city he just arrived to for vacation. Seem him rant about his food delivery drivers dared to ask him to buz them into his apartment so they could bring him his tendies. Dude is literally the opposite of supporting the ordinary person.

>>2842159
Haz sounds like if Eliot Rodger had decided to become a communist

>>2840962
Fuck the people, only the vanguard counts



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I am not getting into whether the CMoP (Chinese mode of production) is AES or any kind of state-capitalist combination (the preferred term would be state-socialism, if you are a Leninist/Bukharinist (Lenin's theory of state and imperialism are actually Bukharin's, but I digress). What I am getting into is what the CMoP signifies in world-history.

Some month ago I read Laussen's The Long Transition and, withholding a genuine critique, I realized that revolutions are not singular instances in time, where there's a state before and after, but it usually takes many decades for a revolution - the time it takes for it to ember, kindle, start a prairie fire - and many years after the revolution, the period of proletarian dictatorship and socialist (re)construction.

It also takes time for people's consciousness to change, because they need to adjust to the new mode of production. But I think most communists agree that this part is the most difficult part because it takes time to change petty-bourgeois anti-communist consciousness so deeply rooted almost everywhere.

In this sense, what China signifies is an actual possibility of communism. It matters not that the cat is black or white, as long as there is a negative other that the bourgeois order is forced to defined itself by way of antagonism/contraposition.

As the imperialist order rots further, this anti-communism will become more and more obvious. At the same time, it will also be completely undeniable that the CMoP works while the patriotic anti-communist system doesn't. This would conditionally get people to achieve some form of class consciousness if any kind of communist party is ready to go for ideological mobilization and mass agitation.

The PRC signals communism as actuality. This is the point. Socialism is not a thing of the past, or a utopia. It exists here and now, dirty-semitic and this-worldly, and this too is a step forward.
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China is a capitalist state with de facto land-lordism that has simply reproduced capitalist contradictions because IT IS CAPITALIST!!!

Also, how can it force anything when it’s part of the unipolar order?

>>2841784
China is not socialist by the simple fact that the workers don't own the means of production and are not directly involved in politics, it's not the workers who run society, it's the CCP. You can come up with your own definition of socialism, but China doesn't fit the marxist definition of socialism. If it's socialist as you say, then why isn't the state withering away? China is also imperialist since it's been investing in Latin America and Africa, in order to exploit workers and extract their wealth. Down with chinese revolution.

>>2841784
America has central bank and stakes in intel, it is socialist

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>>2838086
I'm sorry, "We" are "Winning" by "Doing Nothing"? While the US secures every single node in your dubious tactic of Belt and Road outside of the China-Russia-Iran triangle, two of which are extremely vulnerable (entrenching the quarantine 1*, compounding power asymmetry 2*)
1: how's that worked out for all ML states so far? it is the most lethal and you invite it? who's playing who? "do nothing win" may be the CIA's most successful meme and you drooling suburban Californian MLs love it
2: speedrunning the later decades of the USSR are we? Ah yes China winning hard by events in Caribbean (only stable core of their LatAm strategy)
Great that you now have allies like UAE and Egypt in BRICS after Assad (oops, guess he wasn't immortal, but Ben didn't make a vid no that :( curious) Bright days ahead in west Asia, the key geostrategic zone for the Belt and Road pipe dream to come into effect (connecting asia to africa and latin america) as all arab states in the region let the the zionists "finish the job" for their bottom line.
Chinese chauvinism made them get kicked out of Sahel too, you think South Africa can carry the continent by itself?
As yankees now pivot from Asia to LatAm (Japan, Philippines, Thailand, India, Nepal, Afghanistan, """East Turkestan""", socfash Mongolia) and the British Commonwealth in the timezone - "looking good") and LatAm most already having been made subservient following US successful drug networks wrecking the straight line from Mexico to Brazil; "pink wave" reformists predictably walking on crates went and made themselves associated to drugs and are now stuck in a alt-right malaise for the foreseeable future (you say "look at andean region"). The entire continent is a settler-colonial project that already accomplished its task. Arab populations can't even find the bourgeois nationalism in them in the late stage of capitalist imperialism to free their Palestinians brothers and sisters from the first phases of their genocide. Iran is doing what it's doing purely for regional competition with the Isaraelis and Gulf Arabs. Every single west asian sunni arab zionist state standing firm, no arab spring 2 but arab nationalist.

You are as politically relevant as a radlib and your class collaborationism makes you but another obstacle in the way of proletarian revolution.
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>>2839026
You are mentally retarded enough to believe that China would provide one of the greatest US dicksuckers in the region, one of their staunchest opponents, with significant amounts of weaponry to crush an insurgent group that, if they successfully overthrew the PH government, could only benefit China's regional power projection. It is you who is brain damaged, not anyone else.

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pretty much

I think china is still banking for NEH and to be frank they WILL win if chuddha is right and NEH is the true noble path to nirvana

it's also why suddenly western porky has been trying to make everything happen at the same time

who will win? who knows, but most thirdie proles and a section of firstoid workers will definitely lose everything they have and then some

4 more years



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Why are Western bourg so incredibly invested in protecting Israel? At some point it’s hard for me to believe they have this much to gain from protecting this tiny sliver of land. What the fuck is going on?
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Why are Russian bourg so incredibly invested in protecting Serbia? At some point it’s hard for me to believe they have this much to gain from protecting this tiny sliver of land. What the fuck is going on?

Because almost all western governments are bought out by Israeli and megacorp lobbies, or follow the diktats of America whose government is bought out by the Israeli and megacorp lobbies. In the latter’s case, it’s big tech. And big tech loves Israel not only because Silicon Valley is full of psychotic chuds with a god complex and thus see the Jews in terms of class solidarity wherein their hatred of the Palestinians is a diffusion of their hatred for the prole in general while the Jews are the bourgeois, but also because Israel is a tech hub between Asia and Europe, which is also why China massively trades with Israel. I mean, hello where do you think the various spywares used by governments Worldwide come from?

There’s also the fact that America is, well, a fucking ZOG. In this case, western support for Israel is also ideological, especially given how powerful Jewish lobbies are.

>>2840987
>An answer to this that lots of people ignore sadly is incumbency bias - at this point, an entire generation of civil servants, politicians, journalists, military officers etc … Nobody *ever* admits to that and they are not going to allow a process to take place that ends with them being up before the dock. And people who work under them know that it won't be good for their careers to be seen to support that sort of outcome. And this bias is so fundamental that it doesn't need to be explained by muh lobby money or whatever … That is where the absolute fanaticism comes from.
I think this is closer to the mark, although not so much a latent awareness of having been complicit in human rights abuses. It's more about status and Israel is also serving as a proxy for this struggle over recognition. Status is about who's respected in society and who's not. Status is related to class but it sits kind of orthogonal to it. So there's an entire generation of politicians, civil servants, journalists, military officers etc. who feel like they've "made it," and that they represent the center of society. It's relational to others and how they're seen and/or taken seriously and by whom. Also people who are trying to defend their status rarely say that's what they're doing, they'll say they're defending "civilization" or "common sense" or "tradition" or "morality" or something. Israel represents "civilization" and Hamas represents the "barbarians."

They feel insecure too because there's a lot of immigration from Muslim countries, and those immigrants and their kids don't rock with Israel, to put it mildly. But if you listened to any of Zohran Mamdani's speeches, he would articulate his candidacy for New York mayor as representing Uzben nurses and Senegelese cab drivers, people who are not "seen" or respected in any case. (That's also related to Graham Platner and the disgust some of his opponents in American society have for him, like establishment media and political types, even if Platner isn't really "working class" he looks like a "barbarian" to tastemakers.) This is also why you can get alt-right types who a few years ago were making antisemitic statements mutate into being pro-Israel guys, they exist, it's not a totally cynical maneuver, they really do feel threatened in some kind of way.

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>>2842034
>They feel insecure too because there's a lot of immigration from Muslim countries, and those immigrants and their kids don't rock with Israel
Literally nobody rocks with Israel. even in your picture as an example, the Solidarity orgs and so on up and down the country are full of young and old white people along with all other people. Notably they have been hating Israel, paradoxically oct7 probably increased sympathy for Israel compared to the levels before, i remember doing activism and etc around Cast Lead, my first real introduction to the topic, and even back then my parents would tell me how it's been so bad since they were my age.
Israel has never been popular here, this is a big part of why the media and state is so heavy handed on the issue. It's the whole reason they had to create the EDL, Tommy Ten Names and so on.

Leftards and baizuos worldwide will never admit to this, both because they don't read books and have mostly abandoned materialism, but also because the well has been poisoned beyond belief mostly by agents of zioninsm themselves and their greatest neo-nazi allies/useful idiots and they'd rather not be associated with that.

One of the strongest reasons for this is that the riches and fortunes of jewish banking dynasties are foundational to the current day west, a great number of western porkies are in their position because their allowed to be there by what's essentially a zionist mafia, else they'd get gatekept or worse. The zionist project is a not a colony of the west, it is a pet project of the masters of the western banking system and they've successfully recruited the top echelons of western haute society to their cause. Maybe the westards are mostly non-believers (but that may be changing) but they still have a material interest of protecting their standing in this system regardless of their personal views on the matter - and be honest, we all know they wouldn't be spared if justice ever comes to these issues, so the self-preservation angle is likely stronger for most of the elite as religious zeal is for the original creators of the idea.



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