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Does anybody here read Ted Grant?
He predictied the collapse of the post-WW2 boom and also basically created the RCI.

https://www.tedgrant.org/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/index.htm

Dead thread

Hes just another dumb western trot

>>2832682
Fuck you

Snca



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What is a revolutionary demand? It seems to me that most of the measures in the Communist Manifesto are simply liberal-democratic demands which decrease the cost of labor-power or otherwise support capital accumulation.

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

This is just a land-value tax. It's basically just Georgism or some other liberalism appropriating economic rent for spending on capital.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
> 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
The state is just going to spend these funds on capital.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Debt and unproductive labor are just different kinds of costs of circulation to appropriate, Hilferdingism is basically Georgism.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Public education just decreases the costs of propagation. Public services like housing, transit, childcare and education just decrease the wages that capitalists need to pay their workers.

These are all good liberal democratic reforms but they're not really proletarian demands.

>what's a DotP?!
Babbie's first thread



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Biking feels a little communist when you notice how it depends on shared public space and collective infrastructure, but honestly I just like not spending money on gas and parking. Should the cities of the future plan only for bikes and pedestrians (and other forms of electric micromobility for those who need it) and spacious trains to carry your bike as you go from city in city in 20 mins instead of 4+ hours as it is now?

Thoughts?
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>>2832717
Naive baboon

>>2832719
Fentanyl and school shooters are more anti imperialist than the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq combined

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>>2832585
"Damn, Nietzsche, save some takes for the rest of us."

cyclists are subhuman

Yeah, that's called city design.



 

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>>2821481
That perfectly describes my current situation with this book lol. It does have some good points and arguments but, like I said before, its too vague. At least, if I am ultimately not satisfied with the book, I'll know that Tiqqun and its affiliates are shit theorists.

>>2822941
The question is, which ICP does the road lead to?

yo thanks for recommending proles.info , clicked out of curiosity but im really enjoying their writing. does this mean im a communizer now.

>>2824883
Depends on whether you'd define yourself as one. I would like to ask, what does prole.info defend? What aspects of their theory did you like as I myself have never read them before.

bump

Shit theory thread 💩
Weak knees nerd thread 🤓



 

Is Murray Bookchin and Communalism worth getting into? Are there any Communalist currents today beyond Rojava? Could there be a commonality between Bookchin and Juche?
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>>2832017
I think tomatoes are a jewish plot to destroy the white race

Now, does my position on tomatoes make you more or less trusting of me?

Bookchin is a pseud tier retard that was glad societ kids died remember.

Bookchin is Mamdanite-Rojavite garbage. It is fanfic for the lust of left-imperialists.

>>2832611
Marx supported manifest destiny. I don't think that invalidates everything he said.

>>2832721
Manifest destinybwas correct and revolutionary



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Without resorting to vitriolic name-calling and unproven conspiracies and 70+ y/o propaganda, Explain why picrel and his thought is le bad?

Just want honest, productive discussion
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>>2832672
I accept your concession. Now never needlessly criticize the Soviet Union ever again!

>>2832664
>Achievements of trotskysim
Its never been tried

Trotsky was the first neoliberal in history

>>2832693
That would be Stalin and the partition of Palestine

>>2832696
Ollahooakbaring retard



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>>2831415
That position is correct. Marxism in the 21st century is either un anti-americanisme primaire or nothing at all

>>2831963
a guy who's dead, a guy who barely made it into politics, a guy who only western retort, in a country where nazism has only been influenced by the west, and its intelligence countries.
find better material.

>>2831938
"I'm totally a leftist, but Hitler didn't go far enough!!"

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We know workers dislike domination. And contra Lyotard, they also dislike exploitation. But might a significant number of workers actually enjoy being estranged from the objects of their labor? Or at least, might they be indifferent enough to not see alienation as a problem?

Consider that as an alienated worker, I am encouraged to be utterly unconcerned with labor conditions outside of my own workplace. Or the quantity and quality of production of commodities that I do not consume. Those are the concerns of management and the bourgeoisie. My alienation provides a perverse degree of "freedom" from society, to focus only on my individual consumption and not the conditions of my fellow workers.

Whereas in a communist society of free and equal producers, I am supposed to have an interest the labor conditions in all workplaces in a society, as each directly affects the amount of social product available for consumption. The degree of political control needed to make that happen equitably seems extremely time-consuming and limiting, and I imagine a lot of workers would be turned off by it.

Perhaps that is why most 'socialist' experiments have never really addressed alienation, and why most workers seem completely resigned to the hyper-alienated existence mediated by apps and nation-states despite everyone allegedly agreeing on how horrible it is.
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Not exactly, but I enjoy the complex schema my psychology constructs to cope with it. It's a refined sort of taste

>>2832645
Alienation is also a legal term. The labourer is objectively alienated from the products of his labor and therefore deciding on their fate, because he's hired for his labour power and paid the market price for it in legal separation from the means by which he produces. The subjective effects of this separation are conditional in their historically determined manifestations, but they are nonetheless significant to Marx's later work. In the first volume of Capital, this is understood to be the basis of the working class' intellectual and physical immiseration as "an appendage of the machine" from Chapter 6 onwards. This is how I understand it in relation to the species-being, in the sense of man's creativity as harnessed for production guided by the self-destructive capitalist drive to valorize dead labour as opposed to production for the sake of usefulness based on human reasoning. David Harvey has a good video going over alienation in case my rambling doesn't elucidate it

If you do particularly dull work, you can think about other stuff while doing it. If the work process is rearranged by psychology experts to make it more engaging and empowering and blahblahblah, this can make your quality of life worse.

Amerikans enjoy the aliénation of workers

Most people are goycattle slaves and as long as they have Netflix and food they don't care about anything, we will never see a socialist revolution in our lifetimes



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I think given what Lincoln was faced with he made by far the most moral decisions, but even what he did was just a bandaid for real change that was made excruciatingly slowly from 1868 on.
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>>2832437
only nominally

>>2832436
JFK said the quiet part out loud

>>2832437
Bullshit they wanted the confederacy to win, Prussia and Russia were both firmly with the Union.

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This is how ultras talk about FDR

>>2832437
Not really.

>>2832457
I don't think they ever actually wanted/expected the confederacy to win but they were happy to make money from them and hoped the war would damage America and make cheaper goods available. However once the Lincoln proclamation happened they had to come down on the side of the Union and stop selling to the confederacy.



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50% truth combined with 50% untruth equals 100% annihilation of reality.

every point on the line between "the world is round" and "the world is flat" is just as absurd and stupid as "the world is flat".

there can never be any convenient model or algorithm or formula for knowing the truth of the world without the application of thought. there are no substitutes for thought.

any time we rely on shortcuts, some kind of simplified universal model, to understand reality instead of conscious thought, rigorous disciplined mental effort, we are practicing religion. god is religion, teleology is religion, dialectics is religion, LLMs are religion.

marx believed that religion is the opiate of the uneducated commoners and that religion only comes from traditional churches and priests, but religion can take infinite possible forms and anyone can fall victim to the allure of a simple answer.
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>>2827672
>Darwin did not derive natural selection through a formal logical proof in the mathematical sense. Instead, he worked dialectically in a broad sense: he examined tensions and interactions between opposing tendencies in nature.

that's not how darwin developed the theory of evolution. he developed it by leaving his house and travelling all over the world on ships and observing lots of wild animals and fossilized skeletal remains in different regions and talking to farmers and asking them questions about their selective breeding practices for plants and animals, writing things down in his journals and gathering lots of information, i.e. a lot of hard work. he didn't do it by sitting on his ass in a cozy armchair philosophizing and bloviating with other intellectual windbags. science is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

dialectics is correct in its first assertion, that reality emerges from the interplay of two fundamental forces, but that assertion was made thousands of years ago by eastern philosophers and is nothing new or revolutionary. where dialectics goes wrong is its following assertion that by understanding the duality we can understand the totality, that there could ever be some kind of synthesis achieved between the two fundamental forces. there can be no novel synthesis, the synthesis was where it all began, long ago, before the One split into two and created the universe. the synthesis vanished the moment our world came into being and it is gone forever.

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Step 1.
<The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
<Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
>AI Overview In the late 19th century, opium usage was widespread and socially normalized across the Western world and Asia. It was primarily consumed as an accessible, over-the-counter medicine, though the period marked a cultural shift as governments began to recognize its addictive dangers and impose the first strict regulations
<The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
It's almost like truly understanding and contextualizing these authors requires engaging with questions that were taken for granted then.

Step 2. In Order
>Hegel, Encyclopedia Logic, §§107–111 (Measure).
>Engels, Anti‑Dühring, chapters on quantity–quality.
>Engels, Dialectics of Nature, “Basic Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2830123
When you use grok to digest difficult posts you don't have to re-share that back here champ.

>>2825086
>This is PRECISELY what Hegel says
yeah same i was fuckin lolin @ op



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