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/seen the light/ general Anonymous 10-01-26 10:43:24 No.2638647[Reply]

who here has /seen the light/?

understood the necessity of reform and opening up in the west

by reform of course i mean revolution

by opening up of course i mean abolishing the state

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Anonymous 10-01-26 11:37:24 No.2638702

>>2638697
ah, so this is just another "white capitalism bad, asian capitalism good" thread? k. 👍

Anonymous 10-01-26 11:37:55 No.2638704

>>2638702
Yes, Asia is the future

Anonymous 10-01-26 12:01:33 No.2638738

>>2638704
nta but its 50/50
its either
east asia is our future
or
climate change kills us all.

sage sage 10-01-26 23:38:40 No.2639761

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>>2638647
Holy ragebait

Anonymous 10-01-26 23:49:37 No.2639773

>>2638648
If abolishing the state is impossible and undesirable then so is communism by definition and you're wasting your time caring about any of this shit. If it's possible and desirable in theory then there is a real debate to be had over the merits of how and when to go about it.

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Anonymous 17-12-25 14:31:22 No.2601252[Reply]

Do you guys see the left capturing any meaningful gains in the next twenty years? What countries do you guys believe are most primed for revolution? Do you believe communism will die in this century?

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Anonymous 18-12-25 04:56:42 No.2602575

>>2602570
How many years do you give it? They resemble the Philippines in their distaste towards communism.

Anonymous 22-12-25 17:11:38 No.2608961

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Que sera sera
What ever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see

Anonymous 22-12-25 17:52:23 No.2609026

>>2601354
>China becoming a superpower
It already is.
>mass unemployment caused by AI useful for leftist politics
This might actually be a bad thing, believe it or not. The entire basis of Marxism is that the bourgeois need us more than we need them. What happens when this ceases to be true? Historical materialism is not historical destiny.

>planned economy becoming more realistic with AI
Modern-day "AI" is, by and large, a machine that generates expected responses to prompts. In terms of functionality, it's really just Cleverbot with a larger context window and the ability to piece together new sentences rather than just repeating back old ones. It's an impressive piece of technology, to be sure, one that I myself have used a fair bit, but to put it in charge of economic planning is dangerously stupid.

>>2601514
>greenhairs
Why are you people so goddamn obsessed with this 2015 Tumblr SJW stereotype? How many of these people do you actually encounter in your daily lives?

>China will be fully socialist
What does "fully socialist" actually mean in this context?

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:57:49 No.2639466

>>2601427
>The bourgeoisie has been trying very hard to paint libertarianism as the way to go
It's so strange how it's become so popular so quickly.
>Africa might see a return to socialism through a chinese-like model being exported there
Not exactly sure about this. I don't think anything will happen over in France.

Anonymous 10-01-26 23:34:28 No.2639753

No, too many strategic blunders have been made. It will take decades to recover and that's assuming the powers that be don't finish the left off while it's weak and vulnerable.

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Anonymous 10-01-26 22:07:54 No.2639672[Reply]

What are the best books about gunsmithing, lockpicking, forgery, mobilizing through hostile territory, hotwiring machines, evading surveillance, and other morally grey acts that would be useful in the event shit hits the fan and the government you're in collapses? Stuff to keep you alive or safe until you can actually get to your friends, family, comrades, etc. if they're hundreds of miles away

I'd use /AKM/ but the board is dead and more warfare focused than being concerned about general skills.

>nothing ever happens
posters NOT allowed, assume it has happened and it's you and the hostile concrete jungle with no friends around.

General Niggnin!7MGHd/e/GM 10-01-26 22:12:48 No.2639677

>>2639672
https://archive.org/details/DaysOfWarNightsOfLove
https://crimethinc.com/
Crimethinc has a lot of stuff about indiviual actism, i don't wanna get fedded so you can read yourself but there's plently you'll find

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Thousand Year Wait Anonymous 31-12-25 20:03:47 No.2619728[Reply]

Communist meditation, bordigization, armchairist.
GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT.
A minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, a decade, a century, a millennium, a decamillennium, a centamillennium. As long as it takes.
Nothing you do matters, don't waste energy. Wait, read, write. That's the communist life. Wait in your armchair, read capital, write analysis and critique. Buy a gravestone with symbols on it to signify you were a communist. When the revolution comes everyone real and authentic will be resurrected.

A THOUSAND YEAR WAIT. EVERYTHING YOU EVER WISHED FOR WILL COME TRUE. YOU JUST NEED TO SIT AND READ MARX.

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Anonymous 10-01-26 19:59:19 No.2639468

>>2619731
Give it twenty years, the revolution will happen worldwide. Trust.

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:59:32 No.2639469

wat

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:10:36 No.2639493

>>2619728
If you want the ultimate armchair Marxism, look into henryk Grossman's crisis theory, he basically says capitalism will collapse automatically, atleast if revolution isn't brought about prematurely by the proletariat or party. The council communist Paul Mattick was a big fan of his, even though Grossman lived in East Germany and supported the party.

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:12:38 No.2639502

>>2639493
>If you want the ultimate armchair Marxism, look into henryk Grossman's crisis theory, he basically says capitalism will collapse automatically, atleast if revolution isn't brought about prematurely by the proletariat or party. The council communist Paul Mattick was a big fan of his, even though Grossman lived in East Germany and supported the party.
I keep learning new things from this website every day, when did he predict a collapse?

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:39:05 No.2639553

>>2639502
He didn't predict a collapse in the sense of 'X' year but that it's collapse was a logical necessity usually other Marxist crisis theories say theyre cyclical without any necessary resolution or that Marx's theory is no longer applicable such as reformists ala Bernstein.

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Minimum Possible Socialism Glownonymous 10-01-26 20:32:25 No.2639546[Reply]

I'm looking for some really lame super pragmatic minimal market socialism for the sake of giving imagination-gap terminally reform-brained normies a concrete thing they can work with.

Specifically I was looking for something which while maintaining distributed capital markets also gets rid of rewards for nonproductive actors. I didn't exactly find this, but I did find Roerner's Equal Shares proposal this follows:

>Every adult citizen would receive from the state treasury an equal endowment of coupons, that can be used only to purchase shares of mutual funds. Only coupons can be used to purchase shares of mutual funds, not money. Only mutual funds can purchase shares of public firms, using coupons. Prices of corporate shares and mutual funds are, hence, denominated in coupons; they will oscillate depending on the supply and demand for shares. Citizens are free to sell their mutual-fund shares for coupons, and to reinvest the coupons in other mutual funds. Finally, firms may exchange coupons with the state treasury for investment funds, and may purchase coupons from the treasury with money. This is the only point at which coupons exchange for money. These investment funds play the role of equity in the firm. (p. 20)

>A share of a firm entitles the owning mutual fund to a share of the firm's profits, and a share of a mutual fund entitles the owning citizen to a share of the mutual fund's revenues. When a citizen dies, his mutual fund shares must be sold and the coupon revenues are returned to the state treasury. The treasury in turn issues coupon endowments to citizens reaching the age of majority. (p. 20)

Anyway this proposal seemed to get reasonably close to what I was "looking for". I'm still not sure however if it's productive to advertise this sort of thing to others. Is it a useful strategy to build these sort of concrete programs. Further about this plan in particular is it really what anyone is after? Is there an effective even more reform minded solution that still removes rewards for unproductive actors - or at least as this one does makes such rewards equal?

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:33:27 No.2639548

/blog

Glownonymous 10-01-26 20:47:48 No.2639569

>>2639548
That's fair.

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Most stable place in Myanmar Anonymous 01-01-26 15:23:07 No.2620544[Reply]

>tfw you get put into a made up state because the english left
>unlike india the english didn't even care about you
>tfw you're still recovering from the japanese invasion
>really smart ex communist socialist leader helps gets things together and switches sides from the japs to the anglos
>tfw your leader who unified your country dies just before independence
>your prime minister gets tried for murder
>its still unknown whether the guy who killed him was the prime minister of a rogue british intelligence group
>your party is being led by an idiot now
>tfw you live in the golden triangle of drug smuggling
>you have to be neutral because otherwise you'd be invaded from all sides
>he becomes an insane religious schizo later on
>he gets couped years later by a general
>a literal kmt insurgency in the northern states
>communist insurgency
>your general trusts mao until mao was proven to support the insurgency
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Anonymous 01-01-26 15:55:55 No.2620569

>>2620557
This

Anonymous 02-01-26 05:29:29 No.2621020

Crazy to think Myanmar has shit like this happening and no one knows

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:49:26 No.2639441

>>2621020
Myanmar probably has shit like this happening EVERY day, there's probably a leftcom militia group over there

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:50:37 No.2639444

>>2639441
Every armed group in myanmar are some kind of horrid racist

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:03:58 No.2639479

>>2639444
If there probably was a non racist armed group in Myanmar, they'd probably end up racist later on because they'd have to get supplies

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/ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine War General #278 Anonymous 08-01-26 03:58:39 No.2634097[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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The "pwease stop the exodus of young men from Ukraine" t. Merz edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
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Anonymous 10-01-26 20:33:31 No.2639549

>Shitposting argumentative twattery ends at 600
I know their game

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:42:17 No.2639559

>>2639549
Stop spamming other people please.

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:46:50 No.2639566

>>2639559
Not when they make it personal, I go rambo then

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:48:39 No.2639571

>>2639549
you're still butthurt your falseflagging was discovered?

Anonymous 10-01-26 20:54:11 No.2639578

NEW NEW NEW
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>>2639577
>>2639577
>>2639577

NEW NEW NEW
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>>2639577
>>2639577
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Left wing Secret Societies Glowing Scholar 03-01-26 08:29:47 No.2622440[Reply]

im someone whose been interested in secret societies and clandestine shit, but i was always surprised how there were so few left-wing ones, compared to the myriad of right wing secret societies, since the only one i could find anything about is the spanish anarchist secret org called "The Disinherited".

why does the left seemingly not utilize secret societies, or are most of the left secret socs just really good at staying secret?

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Anonymous 03-01-26 10:19:12 No.2622870

the illuminati were a leftist secret society

Anonymous 03-01-26 12:51:18 No.2623439

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_Just

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_des_saisons

The first modern Communist parties spawned out of Communist Secret Societies.

In Central Europe Trade Unionism and strikes originate in medieval brotherhoods of free craftsmen who used strikes to fight against bad guilds (the guilds were organized bourgeois craftsmen who owned the means of production). These brotherhoods had necessarily clandestine elements to it.
The brotherhoods still exist (just like the guilds) but kinda forgot & abandoned class struggle, only the traditional clothes, ethics, rules & rituals are upheld today which are still quite "left" nonetheless. Unfortunately most journeymen today are not aware of how "left" their brotherhoods used to be and what purpose they served over centuries aside from journey related matters.

Anonymous 04-01-26 01:08:48 No.2626079

>>2622440
Nowadays leftism is too oriented around egalitarianism which conflicts with the inherent elitism of secret societies.

Glownonymous 04-01-26 02:05:45 No.2626182

>why does the left seemingly not utilize secret societies, or are most of the left secret socs just really good at staying secret?
Weird nebulous use of 'the left'.

0) In countries where socialism isn't directly surpressed, it's beneficial to be open and public. We're trying to build a mass movement, not conspire to assassinate people like the Propaganda of the Deed 1890s fiasco (assassinated a whole bunch of industrialists, police chiefs and heads of state - normal people didn't rise up). So unless there's an actual strategic necessity to be a private secret movement, it's a HUGE logistical disadvantage.
e.g. one of the recently dissolved M-L parties in my country drove members away by taking laborious, unnecessary cybersecurity precautions essentially just to group-watch The Deprogram and run a soup kitchen.
1) There are concepts like antifascist affinity groups who are adjacent to those secret societies. The bigger a society is, the harder it is to keep a secret, so don't expect some huge Masonic lodge of communists doing fuckass handshakes and meeting in halls. Consider groups of 2-10 people. Additionally, a lot of antifascists are anonymous, even when publishing their actions online.

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:51:26 No.2639446

>>2626079
Fuck that shit

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consider the following Anonymous 10-01-26 04:29:43 No.2638299[Reply]

Successful mass resistance to ICE has flourished everywhere.

you even have entire municipal police departments threatening to confront ICE.

Now ask yourself: why would the ruling class allow the plebs to challenge federal law? Would that not set a dangerous precedent for the ruling class to have ordinary working class people resist federal policy?

And the answer in this case is no, they're not afraid. And the reason is simple: THE RULING CLASS, THE BIG CORPORATE OLIGARCHS, WANT UNLIMITED MESTIZO IMMIGRATION IN THE US.

unlimited undocumented immigration from latin America means that capitalists can call upon a pool of unlimited scabs and also pay them BELOW minimum wage. white workers are simply too much of a hassle to deal with, they put up a stink and ask for too much. Jose and Juan, by contrast, have zero leverage and therefore can be hyper-exploited.

I will be called a republican, trumpist, fascist, but I am right. material analysis > muh feels.

Now this is not to suggest that the republicans care about workers, but the broader point I'm trying to make is that this goes beyond democrat vs republican identity politics: this is about what the haute bourgeoisie want. They want scared and vulnerable immigrants. simple as.

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Anonymous 10-01-26 19:33:34 No.2639404

>>2639397
It’s also because their families back home are dependent on remittances in places where first world currency goes a lot further

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:35:59 No.2639411

>>2639404
yes, which is one of the dumbest parts of the capitalist system:
<my green paper is worth more than your green paper!

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:38:38 No.2639419

>>2639411
What’s fucked up is it’s only America that gets the shitty green paper, everyone else gets these awesome pale pinks, yellows, blues with these shiny watermarks

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:46:08 No.2639433

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>>2639419
the 1 dollar bill is still GOAT'd

Anonymous 10-01-26 19:47:03 No.2639435

>>2639433
It is funny how the eye pyramid is like catnip for schizos

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Why was the USSR such a shithole? (Literally) Anonymous 10-01-26 12:25:19 No.2638765[Reply]

The Soviet Union opened its very first large toilet paper factory in… 1969
And toilet paper remained in deficit for the whole Soviet period, right until the end.
People would buy Pravda and Komsomol newspapers exclusively to use as toilet paper.
In 1981, a Soviet plane crashed and killed 16 Admirals and Generals because it was overloaded with hoarded toilet paper lol.

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Anonymous 10-01-26 14:49:51 No.2638989

>>2638942
Yeah it's another semi-myth pushed by retards and accepted by other retards who WANT TO BELIEVE that communism is evil so they can feel good about themselves. The funniest thing about this story is that soviet newspapers were both cheap and softer than the brown sandpaper my grandparents still prefer to use today for some reason that was the available toilet paper before 1969, and even then, the government had to run a campaign to promote the new white toilet paper because people chose to stick with newspapers as they were used to them. There is a very acute irony how everyone used pravda to wipe their asses, even the most patriotic of communists. I guess it's similar to americans wearing star spangled underwear. As to the story about le dead admirals, I first heard it from the anticommunist youtuber Paper Skies and in that story it was not toilet paper that brought down the plane, but a shit ton of sausage and furniture. I don't know if it's true but it's very fashionable to make things up about the SU because the west needs cope.

Glownonymous 10-01-26 14:52:13 No.2638990

>>2638865
>unless you want to have to take a shower after every shit.
yeah, a shit then a shower per day is quite reasonable, i think

Anonymous 10-01-26 15:05:19 No.2639001

>>2638981
You should use both dumbass have some reading comprehension.

Anonymous 10-01-26 15:16:35 No.2639014

90% of you people are utterly worthless and should kill yourselves. You know nothing about the state you fete. Worse, you can't even do 2 seconds googling.
I don't know anything about the Soviet toilet paper situation, but OP is suspect because the 1981 plane crash in question is cited as caused by rolls of printing paper, not toilet paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pushkin_Tu-104_crash

Even https://www.coffeeordie.com/article/soviet-navy-sausage-crash (early non-wiki result) gives the cause as
>…the officers headed back to Pushkin Airfield on Feb. 7, 1981, with hundreds of pounds of sausage, cheese, and other goods. Also, the commanding admiral brought massive rolls of paper for a unit newspaper as well as entire furniture sets.

>>2638765
If you really were just posting anticommunist bait, OP, congratulations: no toilet paper situation in the USSR could be as humiliating for world socialism as the posts of its adherents on leftypol.org.

>>2638932
this excuse is fine in 1950, maybe even in 1959, but it's embarrassing in 1969.
Japan was burned to the ground and they didn't have this problem in '59 let alone '69. Even if you say: ah, well Japan is cheating because they got preferential access to the US market, I would be surprised to learn that (say) East Germany had this problem.

>>2638942
>>2638989
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Anonymous 10-01-26 15:55:00 No.2639048

Posting in a bullshit thread. Anyway. I think a socialist society should actually put information on rolls of toilet paper. Maybe not Fidel's speeches, but factoids and vocabulary stuff.

>>2638942
>you think TP made in the first half of the 20th century was any better than newspapers? That stuff had splinters and shit in it. Also soviet newspapers were free.
This.

>>2639014
And this.

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