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Can we get a Neocon breadpill thread going?

What exactly was Neoconservatism and how exactly did it originate? Was it the philosophy of Leo Strauss? Was it former Trotskyists like Irving Kristol? If so, why did these ex-Trots flip and become right-wingers? Politically, it started in America with the Reagan presidency, so what exactly were Reagan's political influences? Also, given that its biggest proponents were Jews, did it have any Talmudic or Kabbalistic element to it?

Basically, sum up whatever Neoconservatism is. Also, Straussian Neocons formed coalitions with the Religious Right and free market neoliberals despite all three groups having contradictory ideologies. Why?
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Neoconservatism is Jewish supremacy.

>>2844900
they're the type of people that bezmenov et. al actually appeals to.
"capitalism bad" > "capitalism bad but the current communists are worse" > "those dastardly communists tricked me into following evil, capitalism good"

PNAC behind 9/11 = NEW PEARL HARBOR

Bill Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz need to be brought to The Hague since they were clearly the masterminds.

>>2846523
>massively increase defence spending
>launch preemptive attacks
This is just normal US foreign policy. Reagan did this shit too.

>West Coast Neocons/Straussian (china hawks, very pro israel)
Alarice the Zionist barbarian
Bronzeage Zionist
Rawegg Zionist
Third City Zionist
Bari Weiss
Zero HP Jew
JD Vace
Peter Thiel
Tucker Carlson

>Orthodox Neocons/Straussian

(you know them, anti russia hawks, globalist, zionist)
John Bolton
Bill Crystol
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Was 9/11 orchestrated by Israel?

meow. meow. meow. meow.
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zero-sum/psimulacrum/paradise

… we get what we give

… we see what we want

… we experience what we need to experience because of quantum zero-sum goo game/war reality

… culture/civilisation is a happy trap that protects us from real full noise ugly beastly stuff (animal magnetism/rule of opposites/law of attraction)

>>2847484
I think the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania may have been going to the White House.

Most likely not.

>>2847462
Why haven’t they been charged with war crimes?




 

Why did marxist-liberalism fail? Literally 95% of marxist-leninist states all shat themselves and died and modern ml's havent learned anything at all from the failures and spend all their time seething about trotsky and simping for the capitalist class of non-western countries.
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>>2847716
Hamas are controlled by Israel lol

>>2847727
Reported for /pol/
>N-no
Callig for genocide us against the rules, doubleuyghur.

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>>2847710
>Fucking Islamists tower above leftcoms.
At what, being pedos? Lol

>>2847720
>city founded in 400 bc was built entirely by viets over a decade
leftKKKoms cannot hope to respond

I don't understand the argument "ML is superior because it was more relevant for 70 years than [other ideology]".

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to an ideology even more powerful than ML, that surpassed every other ideology for the past 250 years:
LIBERALISM
Liberalism currently rules the world. It can adapt endlessly despite repeated economic crises, and in fact, crises give opportunities for liberalism to strengthen itself and modify its own ideology according to new conditions, like a feedback loop.
What ML states did after 70 years? That's right, they liberalized their economy and adopted markets. Liberalism is the logical conclusion of ML.
Don't be afraid to join the winners of history, and don't forget to pay your respects to Trump and Macron.



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So give the fact US invasion of Greenland went from provocative joke to a realistic possibility, what are the chances of European governments getting their shit together?
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>>2839524
I do not care about an internationally
operating commercial Inc. If i want to create a business in the form of a coop i can do that without the fucking EU.

If you come back with incentives to support and protect FOSS on EU level i might care.

Thank you.

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The Swiss rejected a braindead plan to put a hard limit on their population and now rightoids are demanding they strip voting rights from women.

>>2840830
Swiss people are surprisingly responsible when it comes to voting. I guess they understand the power that comes with direct democracy.

Aristotelis Chantzis, who has been on a hunger strike for 138 days in Athens, has been hospitalized.
Aristotelis Chantzis, a member of the historic Prosfygika (Refugee Housing) Occupation Group in Athens, known as an autonomous and collective living space, was hospitalized after his health deteriorated to a critical stage on the 138th day of his hunger strike against the urban transformation project and eviction plans.

At approximately 4:30 PM on Monday, June 22, 2026, Chantzis, exhibiting severe weight loss, difficulty speaking and moving, and acute neurological symptoms, was transported by ambulance to George Genimatas Hospital in Athens.

Before being taken to the hospital, Chantzis made a statement, declaring that he would continue his action: “The struggle does not back down; on the contrary, it is just beginning. We will win until justice or death is served. We bear the responsibility for 400 lives, we are responsible to our community, and we will win. Our struggle is just, and I will not back down until justice is served. Our demands are legitimate.”

<URGENT APPEAL FROM THE INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL COMMITTEE.

A delegation from the Turkish Medical Association (TTB), including Şebnem Korur Fincancı, recently visited Prosfygika at the invitation of human rights advocates and doctors in Greece, and conducted investigations in the region.

An independent medical delegation with experience in hunger strikes and death fasts conducted an examination of Chantzis's health condition. A statement released by the delegation indicated that his life was in increasing danger and that the risk of irreversible nervous system damage was extremely high, issuing an urgent appeal to the international community.

<THREE BASIC DEMANDS

Aristotelis Chantzis's hunger strike, conducted on behalf of the L. Alexandras Occupied Prosfygika Society, highlights three key demands.

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So the chudding out towards the far-right is just a boomer reactionarism right? If we look at the ages of the voters the far-right will be dead (literally) in 20 years.



 

How can a urban insurgent group surivive?
The majority of insurgencies are now in urban centres instead or rural ones, such as northern ireland and gaza.

So.. how can a urban insurgency surivive in the united states? Or similar countries? Can only decentrailized cells funcition since leadership would be capped easily, or can a full group temporaily seize small portions of a city, or cause disruptions?

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>>2848064
They bombed the headquarters of one of the companies involved in the Chilean coup. That's more effort than anything the CPUSA ever did.

>>2848067
>On September 28, 1973, the Weather Underground bombed an ⁠ITT Corporation building in New York City. The militant group carried out the attack in retaliation for the telecommunications company's heavy involvement in the 1973 Chilean coup d'état.
>The Weatherman underground gave the New York Times a warning 20 minutes before the explosion. Because the building was deserted at the time, no one was hurt, but the blast heavily damaged reception areas and furnishings on multiple floors.
This is the greatest Western revolutionary movement?

Nobody talks about it this way but it was the CIO that betrayed the CPUSA way more than CPUSA betraying American workers, the soviet union, ethnic and sexual minorities, or anyone else you could assert without evidence because most haven’t even skimmed the wiki history of the party

>>2848076
The material conditions for revolution just weren’t there after the New Deal. The US had already laid the foundations of a modern welfare state, complete with Social Security and unemployment insurance, so there wasn’t much incentive for the majority of workers to start rocking the boat.
The New Left decided that black and latino minorities would be the designated “revolutionary vanguard,” but once their major issues were resolved that too turned out to be a dead end. leftists kept discovering ever more “marginalized” groups destined to lead the revolution, rather than just admitting those conditions didn’t exist in the first place and somewhere along the way, they lost the plot entirely

The big push towards surveillance expansion is an attempt to counter the threat of urban insurgency. Urban combat and counterinsurgency is one of the most difficult military tasks currently, and unrestrained urban expansion and development had basically made the entire US eastern seaboard an urban insurgent's wetdream.

The establishment is terrified of an actual US insurgency because the conditions are totally ideal. You've got huge expanses of lightly settled territory through which large, essential, aging infrastructure runs through, the scope of which makes it basically indefensible. Then in the densely settled areas you've got runaway urban sprawl that makes it impossible to isolate one potential hotspot from another. In addition to that, you've got natural barriers like the Appalachian and Rocky mountains which create choke points based on terrain or essential infrastructure. To give an example, when Hurricane Helene hit North Carolina a few years ago, part of the essential I-40 east-west corridor was washed away, severely impacting travel and transport between NC and Tennessee. Imo if insurgency sprouted up in West Virginia, the federal government would have a very hard time trying to put it down without essentially putting the entire state under siege.



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which is more true, take 1 or take 2?

>take 1


>being a NEET is based if you are in an imperialist country, because that means you are sucking it dry and making it collapse


>being a NEET is cringe if you are in a peripheral country because that means you are making it weaker against imperialism.


<take 2


<being a NEET is cringe if you are in an imperialist country, because that means you are increasing the appetite of treatlerism and forcing the global south to work harder for your treats


<being a NEET is based if you are in a peripheral country because that means you are depriving the imperial core treatlerites of their slave labor
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>>2846602
yeah i also kind of got the feeling that this actually a map of countries that just aren't educating their women.

When I think NEET i think Incel videogamer living with their parents, and think thats probably common because peoples expectations and picturing of "work" and "worker" are pretty male dominated.

But stats dont care what your mental image says so thats actually islamic countries turning women into housewives amd such.

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>>2846703
>Remember - never work.

>>2846727
>nobody died from resting
The Montenegrins don’t have My 600 lb Life

>>2846716
It's almost like there's a real material base in the rise of feminism and NEET misogyny.

Luckily we are reaching the global Lewis turning point soon.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.AGR.EMPL.ZS

I predict a massive amount of technological development to restore mass unemployment as immigration runs dry.

>>2846602
NEETS will stop existing under socialism unless a medical condition and even then they can do adjusted work.



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I am not getting into whether the CMoP (Chinese mode of production) is AES or any kind of state-capitalist combination (the preferred term would be state-socialism, if you are a Leninist/Bukharinist (Lenin's theory of state and imperialism are actually Bukharin's, but I digress). What I am getting into is what the CMoP signifies in world-history.

Some month ago I read Laussen's The Long Transition and, withholding a genuine critique, I realized that revolutions are not singular instances in time, where there's a state before and after, but it usually takes many decades for a revolution - the time it takes for it to ember, kindle, start a prairie fire - and many years after the revolution, the period of proletarian dictatorship and socialist (re)construction.

It also takes time for people's consciousness to change, because they need to adjust to the new mode of production. But I think most communists agree that this part is the most difficult part because it takes time to change petty-bourgeois anti-communist consciousness so deeply rooted almost everywhere.

In this sense, what China signifies is an actual possibility of communism. It matters not that the cat is black or white, as long as there is a negative other that the bourgeois order is forced to defined itself by way of antagonism/contraposition.

As the imperialist order rots further, this anti-communism will become more and more obvious. At the same time, it will also be completely undeniable that the CMoP works while the patriotic anti-communist system doesn't. This would conditionally get people to achieve some form of class consciousness if any kind of communist party is ready to go for ideological mobilization and mass agitation.

The PRC signals communism as actuality. This is the point. Socialism is not a thing of the past, or a utopia. It exists here and now, dirty-semitic and this-worldly, and this too is a step forward.
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>>2841784
America has central bank and stakes in intel, it is socialist

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Congratulations on your progress!


oh nonononononono commoditychuddies…

>>2842104
>.de
Why should anyone listen to what Germany (creators of Fascism and Eugenics) has to say about anything? The only time in its entire history that Germany was Communist was when they got BTFO in a war and had it forced upon them. The Chinese didn't need to b threatened into Communism they did the revolution themselves.



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I know this is going to sound fucked, and I'm not happy about saying it, but I'm starting to think that the only way the American left is going to survive is if the "Third Turdist" wing, the Maoists, the anarchists, the black bloc types gets crushed under the weight of a terrorism designation. and the best possible thing any normal level headed leftist can do is do not get involved, don't even vocally support them and turn them into martyrs. Espescially the anarchists, why would marxist-leninists who follow the actual communist international get involved in a civil war on behalf of them and other deviationists? And I hate that I'm even typing this but sometimes logic needs to trump feels.

Look, I've been in leftist spaces for years. I've read the theory. I've done the organizing. But these people are not serious. They treat revolution like a LARP. They assault random civilians. They smash windows and call it "propaganda of the deed.". They celebrate mentally ill shooters. They dress as hamas and celebrate the death of US servicemen in the streets. And then they wonder why normal workers think we're all insane.

The Islamist militant groups GWOT has been fighting for decades are hardened, disciplined, and ideologically driven by something that tells them they are rewarded in the next life. These anarchist and Maoist street fighters? They're not. They're soft. They're mostly middle class kids with face tattoos and oppositional defiance disorder and they can't even handle a 90 hour work week without quitting let alone the full weight of an anti terror crack down. their rehtoric is vietcong, their balls are the size of chestnuts. Once the GWOT energy gets redirected onto them once the feds start treating antifa like they treated Al Qaeda these people will fold like a lawn chair. They don't have the training, the discipline, or the popular support to survive a sustained crackdown. Now sure some of them are actually competent or smart people but those people are constantly drug down by the normal base of twitter maoists and tumblr anarchists.

And here's the part I really hate to admit, Trump might actually be doing real leftists a favor by going after them. Because right now, these people are the single biggest obstacle to the majority of Americans accepting socialism. Every time a normie sees a masked anarchist smashing a Starbucks window, that's another vote for the far right. Every time a Maoist calls a union worker a "labor aristocrPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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antifa and anarchists are larpers and an embarrassment to the Marxist tradition

>>2843194

Stop posting on /pol/ you fucking idiots. you don't want to open that can of worms. let bygones be bygones. one fucking post on /pol/ mocking us or claiming your stupid ideologies and we will all flood here, and making our anti juche posts look like normal discussion in comparison to what comes your way. the juchetifa idiots are the ones who started getting our accounts mass banned first, so fuck off and stop telling people /pol/ is a glowie up. leftypol is the real ZOGGERS, shut the fuck up Anarcho Juche Cultists, go back to your hole, you fucking faggot baal worshiping ANTIFA Jewish tweakers are now posting threads on /pol/. You Are the zog. You fight for the rights of immigrants and rape gangs to displace and murder the culture of workers in your nation. You are not communists, you are identity politicians who love to virtue signal. stay in your little leftyhole and stay away from us. you're not going to fish for information there its air tight theyll just flame you in ways leftypol cant flame us. so fucking go ahead i dare you. make your retarded anti-christ juche posts and see what the fuck happens if you try to brigade and confuse /pol/. we have suffered far more than you larpers!


>>2843194

This x1000

>>2843237
Baby need a bottle?

i like how op implies mls know they're too larpy to even be worth throwing in jail

>>2848025
Why the fuck would you find and bump a week old thread to say absolutely nothing?



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Socialist commodity production/socialism in one country is inherently necessary for countries outside the imperial core. What's the alternative? It redistributes all profit into the well-being of the population, and the more countries join this system (a la USSR), the more it can be progressively self-abolished. This is better than the capitalism under a red cloak you see in China or Vietnam.

I can understand criticisms of this theory, but no alternative has ever been able to convince me there's anything better. So for now Hoxhaists or Maoists make the most sense to me. Leftkkkoms seem to not give a shit about the imperialised countries and just affirm revolution in the first world before such a thing can be implemented elsewhere, which history has taught us is not how it works.

Feel free to convince me otherwise, though.
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>>2847329
How is that different from what Marx advocated for with his criticism of the concept of "the undiminished proceeds of labour" in Critique of the Gotha Program?

I don't know if you've heard of the stagflation crisis that hit Europe in the 70s. Stagflation means that inflation and unemployment rates soar at the same time, which was theoretically impossible according to economic theories from the early Cold War (the Phillips Curve), but it happened anyway. At that time, the prices of key raw materials for production (like oil and food) skyrocketed suddenly (during the first and second oil crises), which drove up production costs for businesses. Even when the economy was sluggish, companies still had to raise prices, leading to runaway inflation. Because costs were just too high, consumers couldn't afford them, so companies' profits were severely squeezed. They had no choice but to cut production or even go bankrupt, which in turn caused unemployment rates to soar and the economy to stall. Since Europe couldn't continue making huge profits locally, companies started looking to developing regions for absolute or comparative advantages. So it's pretty impossible for a country to achieve a complete industrial cycle. China might be the closest, but its high-tech still lags behind that of developed countries

I think the biggest problem right now isn't "better national systems," but multinational big capital
>It redistributes all profit into the well-being of the population…
Tituation probably only existed in the social democratic European countries during the early Cold War (typical examplbeing Scandinavia, but times have changed. Multinational capital won't let you put all your profits intwelfare programs because they need to "reproduce" themselves (I'm not entirely sure about this though).
No country can lock in capital - China can't, Norway can't, Russia can't either (unless they voluntarily withdraw, like Russia did)

>>2844032
>1/3 of the earth's population results in literally 0 meaningful progress
socialism in one paradox achievement

>>2847485
You fell for the monetardist narrative. In reality the oil supply shock caused stagflation and the Club of Rome used it as an excuse to discredit full employment policy so they could usher in neoliberalism.



 

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>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
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>>2847739
Tribalists in general need to be destroyed. They’re a liability to the species in an era where nukes exist

>>2847739
It appears Russia’s superiority is cause for controversy

>>2847679
correct
>>2847675
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>>2847700
being retarded on purpose
>>2847682
what was the context of the conversation again? oh yeah, someone was chanting "commie pope" because the pope said something vaguely nice. Maybe that's the real thought killer? I'm not a fan of soyjaks either I just quickly searched the booru for something making fun of religion.

>>2847739
bruh the thread is full, why are you even posting bait like this.

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