/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I don't care about
>the nation
>religion
>family
I care about
>my wage
>my leisure time
>my rest time
This is why I fight for
<higher wages
<more leisure
<more rest
Fighting for any of the first three doesn't guarantee any of these. It is not in my personal interest to fight for
>the nation
>religion
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Did we tried to establish communism the marxian way? Lets take Russia, China and Vietnam. They all got from feudalism to socialism without even putting down capitalism. Furthermore, if I remember correctly, the revolutions which took place in those country came from the intellectual class instead of the proletariat.
Please enlight me.

I hate leftists and rightists, doe, i follow some of their views as hating capitalists, rich people, yet i hate many minorities. I especially hate nazis and communists (only because of their behaviour, i hate nazis no matter what)

This may be a dumb question, but how am I supposed to support the working class and show sympathy for other workers when people are just stupid? Vast majority of people think communism is le 1 billion dead people and they would gladly have their rights taken away.

How can a revolution be possible when workers are more divided than ever? While global capital sweeps everything away, society is divided into men and women, vegans and meat-eaters, conservatives and liberals, and a million other things

>"Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience."

>"There are times in this world when, for the good of tolerance and humanity, you need to kill a motherfucker. Sadly most people who are true believers in tolerance and humanity find that activity repulsive. Which I suppose is morally good, but pragmatically a shortfall."

>"Out of curiosity, what would you say to the many Marines and Soldiers who took trophies and desecrated bodies while fighting the Japanese? I find the urinating on bodies as a poor choice, but only because of the current state of media affairs. It's amusing that today killing a man isn't worthy of comment, but god forbid you display dominance. Only 50 years ago, and for the rest of the history of warfare, this stuff was pretty standard."

>"We are going to kill thousands. By the end of it, it may be millions. Our way of life is better, and if that is what it takes to prevail, let's get this show on the road. I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with the fact you seem to think we shouldn't do it."

https://archive.org/download/graham_platner_reddit_comments/graham_platner_reddit_comments.txt

the tattoo and the racist and misogynistic stuff graham platner has said in the past were certainly red flags for me, but honestly when i actually started reading through the comments myself, i realized it's actually worse than people seem to realize. it goes beyond just teenage edgelord internet shenanigans, this is someone who seems to have a genuine fascination with killing and hurting people, he talks about it a lot and brags about it a lot, he claims that he joined the military because he wanted to kill people and that he enjoyed killing people and he constantly talks about how empowering it feels and how much he misses it.

i've known a lot of people who have served in the military and i've never known any of them to say things like this. but i have heard a few of them talk about meeting certain other members of the military who did. most people who join the military are decent normal people who join for the usual kinds of reasons - Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

In defense of the free market.

When we deal with matters of the economy, it’s important to stay grounded in very real world terms and not fall for the abstractions the wealthy propagandize people with. These are systems of metabolizing the labor of everyone in society and then proportioning goods accordingly. Everyday there is work that has to get done to maintain civilization, and “the economy” describes how we incentivize (or more crudely, reward) doing that work. The control and production of everything takes labor, and the biggest issues with society stem from our considering property or ownership of stock as a means of financial gain in of itself over labor. In a preferable society with equal access to education and healthcare and equal rights for all, those capable of doing work should still be made to. There simply is no society without that economic work incentive, and ours is now being destroyed because the incentive is switching to trading stocks and speculating on others businesses instead of putting effort in to produce or maintain anything. I think these best ways to distribute these goods is for a wage system that distributes a currency exchangeable for goods and services at a market rate. Its a fundamentally democratizing force that should be regulated and limited in certain aspects, but that should not be abolished in favor of anything else, as the rich are trying to do now. I support some economic inequality enough to maintain a petit bourgeoisie, I would even say I’m against a UBI.

The reason i don’t identify as a communist is because I see them as abandoning this distributive system in favor of a more hierarchical approach. In a world without currency, you would either have to rigidly control distribution or provide a civilization so materially liberal I don’t think human beings could uncorruptibly function without abusing the systems of social benefit to an unsustainable degree. This is a monopoly of the state and even a state that is democratically controlled should not wield such power in my opinion.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that capitalism doesn’t just have a free market, but as our current neoliberal system extols, has businesses controlled by centralized power and authority rested in bourgeois, old money families. These people are given the reigns of power over their own little fiefdoms, given essentially no oversight or real threat of punishment, and even those that work their way inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

For context (feel free to skip this paragraph, though, if tl;dr), I've always considered myself an individualist anarchist and an illegalist. I've never had anything against collectivist anarchists, and in fact I tend to agree with them on a lot of things, but I've just never had the patience for a whole lot of theory, and I'm perfectly frankly a selfish piece of shit who does want a better world for everyone but is primarily interested in making things better for himself (and others, in parentheses) right here and now to whatever degree possible. I've read the Communist Manifesto once and some Bakunin here and there and remember little of any of it; the sum of my political philosophy is more or less that the capitalist system/the state has stolen from me, so I don't regard any of its institutions as valid and regard myself as existing outside of them. I am serious about putting illegalist philosophy into practice; ACAB means ACAB, I don't call the police, and I don't steal from small or minority-owned businesses, but banks and retail chains are fair game. The point being, I'm not entirely new, but also not especially educated when it comes to political theory.

I've always regarded Marxist-Leninists as a strange but mostly pleasant variety of exotic creature that I occasionally interact with by chance, and although I disagree with some of the things I've heard coming out of their mouths (for example, they seem to be very quick to explain why mass civilian deaths under Stalin both didn't happen and were unavoidable but also totally justifiable even if they did), I've rarely or never had a bad experience, so I don't judge too much, but I don't understand them.

At any rate, I spent the last few days on a caffeine-fueled bender reading through various internet shitposts until I came across pic related and downloaded a copy, and it's so obviously full of blatant lies, half-truths, and misinformation even to someone completely uneducated like me that a light switched on in my brain and I immediately started downloading every legitimate book on communism I could find just so I can have some idea what I'm talking about when I confront people who think like this in meatspace. But I'm getting overwhelmed by the enormity of it all. Marx? Seems like I could get away with rereading Communist Manifesto and the 2024 version of the first volume of Capital for now while I wait for the second volume to get a retranslation. Che? Well, he's got a couple of sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I own the work place and you don't. You have to beg me for a job. You can have the job only if you produce more revenue than I pay you. I'll pay you enough to stay alive but not enough to escape your circumstances, unless it looks like you're a total bootlicker and I can use you to keep your peers in line. I need you alive so I can use you, but I need you weak so you can't fight back. Who am I?

Eugenics is one of those words that people flattened to be absurdly broad and shallow. It was a specific movement, with key goals and philosophies.
But people today employ the word any time someone makes a decision about their offspring that isn't randomly selected breeding.
Today on xitter i see right-wingers and a few left-wingers harassing a couple that decided to terminate a pregnancy due to the baby having down syndrome as "eugenic".
What caused this bastardisation of the term?

note: i don't proclaim to be super-knowledgeable about offline optics, but with the world becoming increasingly online, i do feel this will inevitably bleed into real-life consequences, as they have done with the online right's success from 2014 to about present-day

as a veteran of the culture wars on both sides since pretty much just after the gamergate days and pre-trump 1, i've seen a lot in my 10+ years being politically involved in the modern age. i've wasted most of my twenties autisticly hyper-analysing political dynamics and persuasion to try and develop theories and praxis on how to help socialist politics gain power in the face of the enormous pressure ultra-capitalism places on them. i'll try and keep this simple, no deep citations of marxist scripture that will make normies turn off their brains, just basic techniques and strategy that i think would personally help the left as a general movement

mainly, win the humour war. i'm not going to say i can always understand what is and isn't quality humour, but that goes even for the greatest of comic minds, not every joke is going to land, but some risk and vulnerability is expected from the comic is needed. anyway, humour i believe is derived from subversion and surprise. subversion often involves the target and the whole "punching up" rule in comedy can be constituted as that. so why is/was 4chan rightoid slop humour "kill da uyghurs and jews deus vult" stuff considered funny by enough of a die-hard audience? because it was subversive. it did something new, and got the reactions it desired. why is it not funny now, or how do you not make it funny to a wider audience? not through outrage or indignation, but simply fatigue and boredom. the shock is the humour. take away the shock and it fades. act like you've seen this shit before and it's almost become normal, without actively normalising it, because you're still critiquing it. you can combine the shock and edge they once had, and instead turn it on the rightoids. they bring what they think is a pipebomb telling you to "kill yourself, commie beautiful lady😍🥰"? bring a precision airstike "i remember when that was funny and hip in 2017. running on exhaust fumes, you epstein apologist dronefly?" i'm not saying it's the apex of comedy, but you're bullying them back harder and more eloquently and put them in a position where they have to think and not operate on autopilot, something naturally leftists will fucking obliterate rightoids oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.