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>>2922653
Social democracy is praxis?

>>2922714
The US still taxes their illegals.

So since we’ve pulled out of Iraq, how long til the ISIS resurgence we think? Obviously we were doing nothing good but we seem to have a habit of leaving power vacuums wherever we go.

>>2920957
obungus won at life tbh

fell out of the right CIA pussy and is now cynically saying this shit for easy checks (that or to stay in the good graces of the dem elite so he doesn't get got)

>>2924063
wouldn't Iran's people on the inside keep those fuckers down?



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i know you theory-minded suburban adolescents don't want to hear this, but one of the unavoidable prerequisites for any kind of leftist revolutionary effort, or any large scale human endeavor for that matter, is obtaining money. you want to organize a strike or start a union, you need money to pay your friends who are now out of work and starving. you want to start a big protest on the streets, you need money to pay lawyers and bondsmen and hospital bills when your friends inevitably end up in jail or the emergency room. you want to start an armed insurrection and go to war with cops and national guard and maga militias you need enormous amounts of money to pay for weapons and ammunition and vehicles and fuel and radios and burner phones and medical supplies and rations so your friends don't get massacred. you need a lot of money, and the money has to obtained honestly and ethically, otherwise you cease to be a revolutionary movement and you just become a violent capitalist drug/weapon/human trafficking cartel masquerading as a revolutionary movement and the people you're supposed to be fighting for will despise you even more than the regime. and you need to be able to handle the money without becoming emotionally attached to the money, i.e. you need to be willing to part with the money you worked very hard for and throw it into the pool with everyone else's money and cease to think of it as your money after that, it is now everyone's money and it doesn't matter how much your contribution was compared to anyone else's because it's not your money anymore. and trying to abandon the whole concept of money is not the solution, it's an absurdly unrealistic and lazy copout that simply tries to ignore and sidestep what is ultimately the true source of all of our problems, the fundamental flaw of human psychology that got us into this mess to begin with, which is our lack of emotional maturity when it comes to material wealth. there is no getting out from under capitalism without addressing that core problem, there is no clever shortcut that will allow us to skip ahead to the next level of human social evolution without dealing with our greed and our entitlement and our pettiness. if we can't find any reasonable middle ground between getting high on money and rejecting it outright, between capitalism and utopianism, then we've got more immediate and personal problems to deal with before we can start talking about how to refactor the entire world.
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>>2915253 Holy incredibly based, we need every leftist to see this. Get a job, get money, contribute to the class struggle and use what you can to help us get 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% closer to ending it. Because when you have money and can use it for that, at least it's better than the world getting 0.000000000000000000000000% better.

>>2922207 To be fair, many young people do smoke too much weed and some of ye need to cut back a little because every-day-stoners are insufferable to talk to when high and sometimes even when sober.

>>2922211
True but besides the point. I quit cold turkey when I hit 29 and never went back.

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>>2922207

the couple who are running this "intentional community" are older than i am, and way way wealthier than i will ever be. the real story most likely is that they irresponsibly bought a multi-million dollar house that they could not afford and they went upside down on the mortgage and decided to try to weasel out of it by becoming glorified misclassified landlords who enjoy all of the benefits of being landlords while evading most of the regulations by claiming to be a co-op. and of course, a quick google search reveals that the house is still privately owned and the married couple are the only names on the deed and it's not a cooperative entity at all as they claim to be, the other "community members" are tenants and they own nothing and if the owners decide to raise the rent or throw them out or sell the place they probably have very little recourse because of what a convoluted legal clusterfuck it would be for them to try to do anything about it and probably not worth any lawyer's time.

i know that capitalism and finances and legal matters are boring old boomer stuff and totally lame, but leftists would really do well to educate themselves on these kinds of things because, the real ugly unspoken truth about america is that the corruption is fucking everywhere, it's not just the GOP politicians or wall street or the techbro billionaires who are crooks. a huge segment of the middle-class american population, regardless of political persuasion or how innocent they may seem on the surface, are actually dirty slimy greasy people doing all kinds of shady shit - phony housing co-ops, quack therapists and self-help gurus, fraudulent small business owners, crooked small-time landlords, rampant elder abuse and estate fraud, parents embezzling from their children, children embezzling from their parents, seniors selling their prescription opioids to their teenage grandkids, enormous amounts of tax fraud that goes unnoticed simply because nobody has bothered to do an audit, etc. our whole society is filthy from top to bottom and the sooner you come to grips with it the better. you don't empower yourself or right any of the world's wrongs by being a naive youthful idealist, you do it by being a crusty, cynical, miserable son of a bitch who trusts no one.

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Look, I know picrel is an elaborate troll, but how do we work towards stamping out this way of thinking from the left once and for all?

A lot of people like this just want to be coddled for having XYZ marginalized identity; they’re oblivious to the fact that your identity isn’t what makes you radical, your ACTIONS are. A lot of it seems to stem from the narcissism that’s embedded within late capitalist society: people want “validation” just for existing, they can’t understand nuance or striving for a goal bigger than them, they want instant gratification instead of long-term sacrifice, and they fall into Main Character Syndrome (“what about ME????”).

So how can we tweak our methodology so we can prevent comrades from mentally falling into this way of thinking and thus prevent wrecker behaviour and bean soup bullshit?
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>how do we work towards stamping out this way of thinking from the left once and for all?

>>2922400
some say batina come from heaven

>>2922422
heaven is batina

>>2922373
>imho alot of the time the problem self corrects cuz well adjusted people will eventually get sick and tired of them
You'd think so, but one way in which this can (and imo has) been disruptive to the left is that it's a constant wrench in the gears of any socialist intelligentsia. Obviously ordinary workers aren't going to bother with this nonsense, but the movement will still need an intellectual wing which will most likely be drawn from the educated middle strata. Unfortunately those people are the most likely to actually take this sort of nonsense seriously, and the most likely to allow it to become a real obstacle to organizing or theoretical clarity. That in turn prevents the integration of an intellectual vanguard with its natural proletatian base.

>>2922363 (OP)

it's just nonsense, drivel, like 99% of the rest of what comes out of people's brains. there is no "stamping this out" it's just everyday lowest common denominator human mediocrity that exists absolutely everywhere. sit at a table in a coffee shop by yourself for a while and actually listen to the conversations of people at other tables and you'll hear all kinds of insipid stupid crap. one time i overheard a guy say that trump was "just making a big skeptical" and my coffee almost shot out my nose.



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>Gigabazed Edition

A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.

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>>2847216
>people whose idea of "socialism" seems to be more ISIS with red flags

>>2919583
>muh based schizoism

>>2847216
Being against nukes is cringe and libtarded. Through nukes we shal achieve communism.

>>2919580
Honestly, castrate the bastard.

prove this wrong



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Over 1,000 drivers, jeepney operators set to join transport strike in Bacolod City
The groups said they will stop operations to denounce the Marcos regime’s failure to control fuel prices, which the Oil Deregulation Law allows to rise unchecked. KNETCO said 85% of drivers and operators in Bacolod City are already earning insufficient daily incomes and have been driven into poverty. They will also demand that the Marcos regime remove the value-added tax and excise tax to reduce fuel prices. They will simultaneously push for diesel and gasoline prices to be rolled back to their previous price of ₱55/liter.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/angbayan/over-1000-drivers-jeepney-operators-set-to-join-transport-strike-in-bacolod-city/

‘Forcing a reckoning’: How Asia is preparing for a ‘supersized’ El Niño
In Hong Kong, authorities have already been forced to revise workplace policies, after the city experienced its hottest day on record on 9 August. During times of extreme heat, companies are expected to reschedule work, provide cooling equipment and rest breaks for their employees. Employers in the international financial hub could even face prosecution if they fail to provide staff with support at times of sweltering heat. In mainland China a 100-day campaign has been launched to prepare for extreme weather and help safeguard harvests against the opposing extremes of drought and intense rainfall.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/sep/18/how-asia-is-preparing-for-supersized-el-nino-global-warming

Airstrike near a market in Myanmar’s Rakhine state kills 33 people
Monday’s attack occurred in Kyauktaw township, about 340 kilometers (210 miles) west of Mandalay, the country’s second-largest city, according to the Arakan Army, a powerful ethnic armed group based in Rakhine which controls Kyauktaw. It said a fighter jet dropped two bombs near a local market around noon, killing 33 people, including vendors, shoppers and pedestrians.
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ACLU demands immediate withdrawal of PRNG troops from Washington=
More than 150 members of the Puerto Rico National Guard continue patrolling neighborhoods in Washington, D.C., a deployment the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Puerto Rico denounced this week as unjustified and politically motivated.
https://www.sanjuandailystar.com/post/aclu-demands-immediate-withdrawal-of-prng-troops-from-washington

AI giants, unions join forces for data center fight
The new group, the American Infrastructure Alliance, wants to partner with state and local officials to create standards and guardrails for data centers in 2027. In return, the coalition hopes to head off moratoriums on new construction. The group is planning initial campaigns in Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Indiana and South Carolina. The alliance is backed by Blackstone, OpenAI, QTS and SoftBank Group, along with key unions, including the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW).
https://www.axios.com/2026/09/28/ai-industry-unions-data-centers
https://archive.ph/abFeB

Top FBI official Andrew Bailey, who was once widely seen as Patel successor, resigns
From the outset, Bailey's relationship with Patel was troubled. Initially, Bailey was not invited to meetings, according to two sources familiar with their dynamic, with one adding that Patel instructed staff to refer to him as director, to Bongino as deputy director and Bailey as co-deputy director.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-fbi-official-andrew-bailey-resigns/

Education Department formally rescinds Title IX protections for LGBTQ students
The Education Department announced Monday it has formally rescinded the Biden-era Title IX interpretation that gave sex-based discrimination protections to students on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
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Thank you based news anon

Palestinian communists seek broad electoral alliance to challenge Fatah-Hamas polarization
The Palestinian People’s Party (PPP) is stepping up preparations for the November 28 legislative elections, working to forge a broad left-wing, democratic and social alliance that could emerge as a third political pole beyond the longstanding Fatah-Hamas polarization. PPP General Secretary Bassam al-Salhi said the party does not regard the elections simply as a contest for parliamentary seats, but as an opportunity to rebuild Palestinian political institutions and restore popular participation. Al-Salhi argued that the vote must go ahead, its results must be respected and the process should ultimately produce “one government and one Legislative Council,” overcoming the existence of parallel political structures.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/09/palestinian-communists-seek-broad-electoral-alliance-to-challenge-fatah-hamas-polarization.html

Democratic Party Consultants Surround Troy Jackson with Pro-Israel Donors
The Troy Jackson campaign in Maine may have found a new way to measure just how far Democratic Party consultants are able to drag a candidate away from his grassroots supporters. This week, as Jackson ventured into the Facebook group set up for his volunteers, he was facing a legion of Maine supporters expressing a deep sense of betrayal, following an exposé by Rebecca Traister in New York Magazine, which had laid out in precise detail how a squadron of mostly out-of-state political consultants had done as much as possible to drain the life from Jackson and his campaign. In the Facebook group, Jackson’s defense of his campaign, and his attack on the reporting, was considered so condescending that supporters concluded there was no way that Jackson himself was running the account—and promptly kicked Jackson out of his own Facebook group, with less than six weeks until election day. Jackson, it turned out, was indeed still manning his own Facebook account, and he has since been allowed back in. But the damage his consultant-run campaign has done to his relationship with Maine voters will take more than a restored account to repair. Interviews with sources in Jackson’s orbit, and a review of campaign doPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Where do correct ideas come from? Do they drop from the skies? No. Are they innate in the mind? No. They come from social practice, and from it alone; they come from three kinds of social practice, the struggle for production, the class struggle and scientific experiment. It is man’s social being that determines his thinking. Once the correct ideas characteristic of the advanced class are grasped by the masses, these ideas turn into a material force which changes society and changes the world. In their social practice, men engage in various kinds of struggle and gain rich experience, both from their successes and from their failures. Countless phenomena of the objective external world are reflected in a man’s brain through his five sense organs — the organs of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch. At first, knowledge is perceptual. The leap to conceptual knowledge, i.e., to ideas, occurs when sufficient perceptual knowledge is accumulated. This is one process in cognition. It is the first stage in the whole process of cognition, the stage leading from objective matter to subjective consciousness from existence to ideas. Whether or not one’s consciousness or ideas (including theories, policies, plans or measures) do correctly reflect the laws of the objective external world is not yet proved at this stage, in which it is not yet possible to ascertain whether they are correct or not. Then comes the second stage in the process of cognition, the stage leading from consciousness back to matter, from ideas back to existence, in which the knowledge gained in the first stage is applied in social practice to ascertain whether the theories, policies, plans or measures meet with the anticipated success. Generally speaking, those that succeed are correct and those that fail are incorrect, and this is especially true of man’s struggle with nature. In social struggle, the forces representing the advanced class sometimes suffer defeat not because their ideas are incorrect, but because, in the balance of forces engaged in struggle, they are not as powerful for the time being as the forces of reaction; they are therefore temporarily defeated, but they are bound to triumph sooner or later. Man’s knowledge makes another leap through the test of practice. This leap is more important than the previous one. For it is this leap alone that can prove the correctness or incorrectness of the first leap in cognition, i.e., of the ideas, theories, policies, plans or measures formulaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2921860
It's shorter in Chinese

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>>2921814
>our great internationalist duty

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chairman mao is so smart

>>2921995
We should all be adding "this position is correct" to the end of our posts. This position is correct

>>2921995
>>2922144
That's an excerpt for when he was reviewing a soviet textbook
"This is correct" refers to the quoted passage mao is referring to



 

Libtards and Ukies, do you seriously think the country in this webm is better than the Russian shithole? This is absolute top-tier clown world, I completely lost it at 0:41. Moving here is supposed to be ‘making it in life’? Seriously? Are you guys completely brainwashed NPCs, or what?

Waiter!

I kinda understand that russians and completely mind broken by this war. Such a waste of life for nothing.

Ivan, take it easy. Go home.



 

They're all in cahoots. It's true, it's one big club, and (you) are not in it. Politics is just one big spectacle where the rabble gets exploited and killed. But the elites party and have their fun. Xi Jinping, the oh so great anti-imperialist. Of course!(b8 thread)
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>>2921542
You’re doing x because you’re doing x

>>2921521
>bordiga said hitler was an authentic revolutioanry
He didn't tho

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i already know this and have kind of always known it, if not consciously then subconsciously. but what george carlin got wrong is that it's not a big club, it's a very small and very exclusive club that gets smaller and more exclusive every day. and it's not the only club either; in addition to the elite club of people at the top who have everything, there is a second diametrically-opposite club of people at the bottom who have almost nothing, and that club is big and inclusive and gets bigger and more inclusive with each passing day. and what i'm getting at is not some cliche idealistic pipe dream about a future revolution where the poor masses overthrow the wealthy elite, it's more like a reframing of the narrative, re-evaluating our highly-indoctrinated perceptions of who and what we really are, understanding that the power and wealth and prestige of the elite is not real, it is an elaborate facade, a smoke-and-mirrors parlor trick that requires tremendous and continuous effort and resources to maintain. this idea that the elite are somehow outside of everything, outside of reality, outside of the laws of nature, is a fantasy which ultimately no amount of money or power can ever permanently reify. and likewise the innate weakness and helplessness and bondage of the common masses is also an elaborate fiction, the common man is not weak or stupid or servile, he is simply an occasional victim of temporary circumstance and in the grand scheme of things he is remarkably resilient to every manner of suffering and hardship and calamity. the meek will not someday inherit the earth and they don't need to, because they are the earth, they are reality, always have been and always will be.

the elite are the ones who live in a glass house and it is only a matter of time before something they failed to account for causes the foundation to crack and the entire structure to fall and crumble to dust and leave them suddenly denuded of all the protections they have grown so accustomed to, whereupon the remorseless uncompromising forces of nature will rub them out of existence without missing a beat. meanwhile, the common folk who are one with the earth, who have spent their entire lives bending and flexing and adapting to the forces of nature out of primal necessity rather than trying to resist them and control them by brute force out of hubristic extravagance, will adapt and survive and make the best of it as they have always done through all mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2920225
>Be second liberal capitalist republic
>still have slave economy and landed gentry
>Be second marxist leninist republic
>still have wage labor and capitalist class
BFF 4L

>>2921840
i have class soyciety fatigue



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Why was Warsaw's destruction not declared a Nazi war crime by Nuremberg? Was it actually destroyed by Soviets? There was no Warsaw destruction listed in court sentence anywhere, despite Poles putting loads of documents for the court to consider, just like Soviets did with Katyn, but were repelled by the court.

Was Stalin responsible for Warsaw destruction the same way he lost Katyn case in Nuremberg?

Dachau and Buchenwald aren't mentioned in the sentencing either, weirdly enough. Auschwitz had an episode of women getting neutered in indictment, but no mention of it in the sentencing. Were the Soviets responsible for all of those, I wonder? Judging by how it is claimed that since Katyn is missing in the sentencing, it means that court refused the accusation
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>>2920435
>Which is why Katyn was rejected in the final judgement.
There was NO rejection of Katyn anywhere in Nuremberg. Buchenwald and destruction of Warsaw are not in the final judgement, but are proven to be German acts - same as Katyn.

You cannot claim that Nuremberg had doubts about Katyn without invoking that Buchenwald and Warsaw destruction weren't Nazi crimes - which is Nazi crime denialism.

You have to drop this line of argument permanently, because Nuremberg did, in fact, persecute Goring, Hess and others for Katyn. But specifically Goring was the defendant on Katyn, and Nuremberg didn't abscond him of guilt during the Katyn hearing, as it was not stricken out of indictment. This is also proven by the fact that Nuremberg did drop stuff out of indictment, like the aforementioned case of secret Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, which was DISMISSED by Nuremberg court outright as having no factual evidence behind it even existing

>>2920711
Oh, and also, Romanov not a real person btw, but rather a collection of anticommunist writers from katynfiles doesn't go over Nuremberg trials' rules and proceedings specifically because if he were to read them out loud his whole position would fucking collapse. Hence, instead of open and direct going over rules and proceedings, he instead tries to recreate them off records of certain cases - a certified conspiracy theorist behaviour. In our case, though, he is more like those sleazy climate change denialist scientists who attack late edits on papers as a proof of paper being rushed and untrustworthy

Katynfiles takes you people for idiots. It's not factual, it's propaganda

>>2920701
You remain mistaken. In the "Critique of the Gotha Programme", Marx is already including the lower phase of communism when he writes about the state.

<Now the program does not deal with this nor with the future state of communist society.


<Karl Marx, 1875, Critique of the Gotha Programme, Chapter IV


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm

>>2920836
>Marx is already including the lower phase of communism when he writes about the state.
That's not what the excerpt says, you copy-pasting retard. He's referring to the organized collective and community of a potential communist society, not to a state in the traditional, class-based sense.

>>2921643
You remain mistaken. Marx is criticizing Lassalle's concept of the "free state," which tends toward class conciliation without resorting to anarchist fantasies.



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  1. Punching your monitor only hurts you, it does not hurt the person who made the post.
  2. People often don't think, they just feel. Asking them to define terms and defend positions forces them to think and causes them to realize things about themselves they did not previously realize.
  3. Practice without theory is flailing. Theory without debate is solipsism. Debate without reflection upon practice is masturbation. We should practice, then debate whether that practice was useful, then reflect upon that debate to establish a superior theory that will lead to better practice.
  4. Debate does not cause splits, it reveals splits that were previously hidden under the flowery language of a false unity, and allows something to be done about them.
  5. People who are unable to defend their ideas don't even know why they hold them in the first place.
  6. People who are unable to define the terms they use don't even know what they mean.
  7. If you shoot first and ask questions later you end up with a lot of unnecessary friendly fire.
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is this the argument clinic?

>>2910193
lurkfag

>>2910374
til I'm a dork

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i'm a lifelong debate addict; i just can't stop no matter what i do. i've simply accepted it as who i am, and made peace with the fact that i will be forever intolerable, after a certain point. as for the very few people in my life who continue to seek my company, they have either grown callous to my incessant exposition and questioning, or they encounter the version of me that keeps his mouth shut for as long as possible, which isn't very long, hence company of this latter sort frequently shuffles in and out.

like most addicts, my practice no longer brings me joy but simply serves to stave off a certain type of pain. although being addicted to dialectical intercourse can certainly be more productive and conducive to personal growth than other addictions, i sincerely have no idea if i am better off for it. i still feel helpless to affect my actions in any meaningful way, and all i can do is simply be more lucid and observant when i make the same mistakes as anybody else.

>>2921696
literally me



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