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I thought I'd start a general thread about sexism in sci-fi.

The first issue I'd like to address is from the Voyager episode Fair Haven where the crew use their recreational time to occupy a holodeck program set in 19th century Ireland.

At somepoint in the episode Janeway adjusts the parameters of her holographic lover to make him taller and also deletes his wife. Imagine if that was a male character making a female holodeck character's breasts bigger. Everybody would be crying sexism, saying they are objectifying women etc.

I think that there's some severe double standards at work here, what do you guys think?
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>>2683581
>In TNG, Councillor Troi had to wear a revealing outfit (despite being Star Fleet and working upon the bridge) for about 4 series until the episode where Captain Jellico takes over the Enterprise and makes her wear a regular uniform. This was 1987 - 1991. Then in series 4 (1997) of Voyager they had Seven of Nine wear those tight cat suits which I never thought suited her.

I guess Troi's outfit is "revealing" by comparison with its lower neckline but in every other respect it is the same form fitting outfit most characters wear. Especially before the uniform redesign, where depending on the actor and whatever size they had available, sometimes they might as well be painted on.

There's not really any excuse for 7 of 9 though. Like with Troi, there's definitely a sex appeal factor (which I think is necessary to a degree), but with 7 it really was just shameless "look at these huge boobs you stupid nerd."

I think that if you came at it from a certain angle, 7's outfit could really work given her character. She's spent most of her life as a Borg, and a grey, form fitting jumpsuit could be a practical choice. So for us the viewer and the humans on Voyager, it reads as a sexy catsuit that really shows off her body. 7 doesn't even consider this because her whole life she's never had to consider her physical appearance, how others interpret it, and how these social perceptions effect her.

I'm kind of thinking about Data and his interactions with his mother, where iirc she talks about the problems Data caused at first where he walked around the colony naked because he's an android that didn't need to wear clothes. Dr Soongh had to program special modesty subroutines into him iirc.

But then, that really underscores the problems with voyager, doubly so. They didn't know what they were doing, had no strong ideas guiding the story, and 7 is just them flailing to try and boost ratings by stuffing boobs in a jumpsuit.

DS9 has a humorous depiction of a hyper capitalist hyper misogynistic society, in the Ferengi. Females are not allowed to earn profit or even wear clothes however this changes by the time the show finishes.

I remember an episode of Sliders where they slide to a dimension where males are oppressed and Rembrandt (a male character) is used by a woman. Some critics say why couldn't they just depict an even more sexist society (against women) like the Ferrengi, rather than switch roles, but I think it's a valid allegory (not sure that's the correct word).

why is this pop culture shit on the main board lmao

>>2685074
Lib tourists think everything is political, hence shitting up the politics board with their radlib analysis of pop culture

>>2681115
>05-02-26
More proof mods have completely abandoned this ever-worsening heap of a website
>>>/hobby/



 

With
>pros
and
<cons
in order of deadness. Feel free to add to the list.

David Graeber, USA (status: very dead)
>Caused a ruckus in the field of anthropology: "wtf, this class shit ain't normal?"
>Was right proving wrong Marx and Engels on the origin of money (although they were relying on contemporary anthropologists)
>Turned some right libertarians into """left""" lib- I mean anarchists
<Teeth status
<His most popular book, Bullshit Jobs, is proven idiotic by the first 10 pages of Theories of Surplus value by Marx

Mark Fisher, UK (status: very dead – suicide'd)
>Popularized anti-idpol
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>>2683266
>>Was right proving wrong Marx and Engels on the origin of money (although they were relying on contemporary anthropologists)
He wasnt even the person that discovered this. By early 20th century economists had already known about Sumeria's use of debt as money instead of the meme of money coming from barter.

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Genuinely, what the hell was his problem?

>>2685049
he was european

>>2685049
as cockshott says, he was a Madman

>academioids
why even add the -oid like academics have anything to do with communism at all



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>B-b-but Ukraine is run by Nazis!
Ukraine wasn't ran by Nazis, that's just what Putin wants you to believe while he sold Russia out to "traditional" patriotism. How the fuck am i going to explain to a Russian nationalist puppet that Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada is composed of this -
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>>2684740
>ukraine has an active communist movement as well
In jail. GTFO Nafo glowtard

>>2684814
might not be a nafoid, could be a time traveler

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>>2683419
>centre right
>honor nazis
do not be deceived. it happens elsewhere in Europe too. Out of all neonazi influencers we have in Slovenia, most of them are associated with SDS and NSi center right parties, or "ex" associates of these parties.
Among the hitler worshippers, hardly anyone is from the SNS which is our "far right"
The center right is the most pro-nazi phenomenon currently in Europe.

1. Ukraine has effectively banned socialist parties which makes it fascist in practice even if it still retains many features of a liberalism.
2. The Ukrainian security apparatus and military is riddled with open fascists who use Nazi imagery.
3. Fascist ideas and figures are made mainstream in Ukraine and even upheld by self-identified liberals.

>retard spends 2 minutes on a Wikipedia entry and acts smug about it



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“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1908860526400057534

"The legacy media never mentions white genocide in South Africa, because it doesn’t fit their narrative that whites can be victims"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1904065163407368212

Even Musk's AI is based.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1916042294018666585

"The ADL is a hate group"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973289543848829225

He supports remigration.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997700657546191314

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Why dont these super empathetic whites stop plundering the third world's resources, building military bases and bombing countries all around the world, constantly orchestrate coups around the world and finance and arm terror grouos like isis or latam drug cartels?

Elon suppers Indians on the H1B1 visa . Why because they don’t unionize they don’t fight back will do what they are told to please him because they think white people are deities die to the case system . Also after you are done exploiting them you can deport them with out pay . A brilliant system . I knew capitalists who do do this exact thing and that’s what they tell me .

>>2616361
Yes this is just rhetorical cover because he knows most people are retarded. He doesn't actually mean any of it.

>>2616360
>“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
"But I would never ever ever hire a white person"

I can't get over how immature and childish this man is.



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how valid is it to "sneak" communism without people realizing it democratically?

I think we are in the last steps of bourgeois democracy, talking to a friend about my ideologies and how they could not win democratically and he responded by saying "what if you lie to him and that's it? everyone lies anyway, you just arrive democratically and destroy democracy as quickly as possible with some emergency or shit like that

and it's really something that I always thought about, but that a person who doesn't know about politics came to that conclusion makes me think that people could really come to the same conclusion

anyway, what do you think about this? he even told me not to use the word "Communists" to invent something like Peron did with fascism (we are Argentines), what do you think about hiding your idolology so much without losing what your idolology really is? I mean… you change the name, not the ideology
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In chans, I call everyone who wants to cut pensions or health/education a communist since they dont want to adhere to the contract that was made under free market

R8

>>2684642
People only care about “truth” that’s either convenient or emotionally satisfying to them, what of that is there in any of Marx’s Proto Zionist screeds to anyone in the 21st century?

>>2684652
Good god you have no life huh

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How about this . Genetic engineer designer babies to be socialist with out them knowing it remove capitalist and competitive drives from the brain. Remove all individualization like loneliness and desire and fear of losing one’s self

>>2684627
>"what if you lie to him and that's it?"
No that's a bad idea. Unless you're a really good liar, but you're probably not.

>you just arrive democratically and destroy democracy as quickly as possible with some emergency or shit like that

This is the crux of the problem about why the normies don't like communists. Or at least a lot of people who identify as communists. They don't view revolution as a movement of the masses which they hope to associate with, they view it as a set of policies which THEY impose on those BENEATH them. Or that's how they're perceived by normies who are at all even aware that communists still exist beyond vague historical cartoon villains.

>anyway, what do you think about this?

Think the average normie is sympathetic to a sort of socialism that boils down to better wages and shorter working hours + nobody bossing them around. On the other hand, the theoretical Marxist might be correct that this isn't possible without a radical reorganization of society, and the normie is not, but at any rate there's a big gap there and I don't think the normies will respond well to communists if they come across as either speaking an alien language or appear like they're trying to impose themselves on the normies. The normies might fuck it up but they're perfectly capable of fucking things up on their own thank you very much.



 

The Soviet Union opened its very first large toilet paper factory in… 1969
And toilet paper remained in deficit for the whole Soviet period, right until the end.
People would buy Pravda and Komsomol newspapers exclusively to use as toilet paper.
In 1981, a Soviet plane crashed and killed 16 Admirals and Generals because it was overloaded with hoarded toilet paper lol.
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>>2683405
>The Bolsheviks just stole an election and said "Yep all those institutions are now ours", it wasn't really a grassroots uprising of dual power institutions like the Chinese revolution was. Mass Line is still a massive part of Chinese policy, meanwhile the Soviets were dismantled in the USSR in the early 1920s and were formally abolished in 1936
<Le bolshies were mean and stole muh elections
Are you trying to cosplay as a butthurt lib that lives in the baltics?

The thread is basically ogre, but all of these claims about the Soviet Union supposedly making basic items unobtainable depends on the false comparison against what is easily found and bought in Western shops today and not those of the 20th Century.

Consumer electronics probably involves the biggest misconception in this regard, they’re essentially all disposable items these days and you’re encouraged to treat them as such with planned obsolescence, but it seems that gets projected on to fancy 80s Japanese hi-fis when trying to critique le consoomerism in the Soviet Union. By which it’s imagined everyone in the West had those now-quaint Laserdisc players in the 1980s because capitalism is just so heckin dedicated to facilitating consumerism, while only those with the money in the USSR could get one from the black market and with waiting lists unless you had connections, aka you “knew a guy” in contemporary western parlance.

In reality, even TVs were expensive enough, unreliable enough and hard enough to replace in the West that it was common to lease them in the 20th Century. Being able to go to your nearest shopping centre on any day and finding a new TV, in-stock, for the cost of a day or two’s salary is a pretty recent development.

>>2684411
they literally didn't win a majority in one of the elections, declared it null and void and just seized power anyway

>>2684469
Yep, a home computer ran you over a month's wage in the 1980s, with Apples or IBMs costing as much as a car.

>>2684411
The difference is that the Bolsheviks were handed over completely set up institutions, they slapped a red coat of paint on them and kept them largely the same.
The CPC built new institutions from the ground up and the party always functioned more through localism anyway, the heart of the CPC is really village councils.



 

>Nick Fuentes
Gay Mexican
>Sneako
Filipino and Haitian
>Candace Owens
Black Women
>Fresh and Fit
Sudanese and Barbadian duo
>Stonetoss
Puerto Rican
>Every greek statue profile picture cyrtpto-Nazi account on Twitter
Indian
You can debate whether or not these guys are all Nazis but they all have defended Hitler at some point and either denied, revised, or downplayed the Holocaust. And they are also all at least White-Nationalits.
I myself am a white man and also Heterosexual and Cisgender and I understand why another white man with no class consciousness would be a white supremacist BUT WHY WOULD A BLACK OR BROWN PERSON BE A WHITE SUPREMACIST?!?!?! Why are these Cucks trying to suck my dick?!?!?!
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>At the scene of a November 2025 bomb attack on a school in Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, security forces found a toy gun owned by the 17-year-old suspected attacker. Written on the gun were the names of Western far-right extremists, such as Brenton Tarrant and Alexandre Bissonnette.

>Nearly 100 people were injured in the Jakarta attack, including the suspect. Police say he acted alone but was inspired by online extremist content.


>Indonesia's counterterrorism agency has warned that more teens are being exposed to far‑right ideology through gaming communities. Authorities report rising online radicalization and plan new measures, including tighter social media rules for minors.


https://www.dw.com/en/how-white-supremacy-is-spreading-among-indonesias-youth/video-75813889

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>>2656484 Model minority racial anxieties, basically. Similar trends happened with Irish and Italian immigrants when they first came here. It's why Tony Soprano has a panic attack at the thought of his daughter taking BBC in that one Sopranos episode

>>2656557
A lot of the Indians larping as white trad accounts on twitter also do it for clicks so they can get money from it

anyone remember that black nigcel groyper who shot up a school?

>>2656649
>>2656557
I don’t buy the grifter excuse. Candace Owens could have made a lot more money if she had stayed at The Daily Wire and remained a neocon. ST and Nick's growth were also built from the ground up.

>>2684812
>The Daily Wire
bruh Ben Shabibo is literally bleeding mondy and losing his audience and only continues to exist because of Israeli money.
even Tucker 10 years ago before he started taking Russian money was mocking Ben's stupid libertarianism. everyone in the west is starting to hate "muh free markets" hence why even conservatards have to pretend to be anti corporation these days.



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https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/skeqnl08wg

Members of Kibbutz Hanita are suing the Chinese-controlled Ballet Vision fund for refusing to buy their remaining stake in an intraocular lens plant, citing losses and what it says is a Chinese government ban on new investments in Israel since the war

Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.

In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.

“Since the outbreak of the fighting in Israel, the Chinese government has classified Israel as a high-risk zone (red category) and prohibited any new Chinese investment in the country,” the fund wrote. “As long as this restriction remains in place, there is no practical operational ability to exercise the option.”

According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.
As part of the agreements, the Chinese fund granted the remaining minority shareholders an option to require it to purchase their remaining shares for about $9.5 million, now valued at roughly $11 million, by early December 2025.

The kibbutz claims that its stake was further diluted in two subsequent agreements in 2022, leaving the Chinese fund with about 80% ownership. One dilution followed a $7 million additional investment, while another was tied to a future $8 million investment that has not yet been carried out.
In December, the kibbutz notified the fund of its intention to exercise the option. The lawsuit says the funds are urgently needed due to the war. Hanita, located close to the border, has endured two extremely difficult years, and the money is required for rehabilitation, particularly for older members.
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>I'm literally Arab!!!
Anti china anon is always going on about this. Why are ultras such NPCs? Materialist explanation?

>>2684794
Chyna wouldn't be there without the IMF

>>2684749
>USA gives israel weapons, intelligence, logistical support, defense from iranian strikes, billions of dollars every year, in addition to trading with them, including selling them weapons
<i sleep
>china sells israel non-military commodities
<WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

btw what arab country do you live in… or are you an arab in the USA?

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>>2684798
china bails african countries out of their IMF loans regularly by giving them 0% interest loans and then forgiving those loans later on. the west calls this "debt trap diplomacy" because it traps the USA by bailing africa out of debt. cheers.

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Man come on
Seething about Israel and glazing the PRC are like THE two biggest topics on /leftypol/
But pointing out the very obvious China-Israel trade relationship doesn't even get a HINT of a reaction?
So fucking stupid, it's impossible to troll people with brains as smooth as this, fucking dumbass website



 

There is an unspoken agreement between US and Iran to maintain the delicate balance of power in the region.

Losing Islamist Iran period means losing Iraq to a power vacuum.

Losing Islamist Iran to communists is doomsday scenario for capitalists, the resource rich region is filled with unpopular regimes and immiserated workers. Iran and Iraq (the most susceptible for revolution) alone make up a quarter of the world oil supply. The stakes are too high to allow an unpredictable mass movement (that cannot be entirely controlled) to overthrow the regime.

Iran poses zero threat to western imperialism, in fact in places like Iraq and Lebanon it is the lever that is maintaining it. Decades of wheeling and dealing through backchannels have exposed this myth for what it is - a false dichotomy that sets the ideological framework for US and Iranian imperialism in the region, so-called "Axis of Resistance" and "Forces of Order"

Does this mean they're in agreement on everything and Iran is secretly run by da juice? Of course not, that's conspiratorial and Kautskyist nonsense. They're united in so far as their class interests meet, mostly in suppressing workers and maintaining the status quo.

Will this last forever? No, eventually a war will break out due to capital's growing contradictions and the need to counter overproduction through destruction. The region and the world broadly have yet to fall into designated camps for such event to happen, that will spark the a third global imperialist war.

Don't fall into this false dichotomy, or prepare to be disappointed. Learn from the communist parties in the region who have reached this conclusion.

No war but class war
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>>2684459
>One of the topics which needs be recalled here is that Islam does not approve of tyrannical capitalism, which tends to deprive the oppressed and downtrodden masses. On the contrary, it sharply condemns it in the Book and so do the traditions. They consider ii counter to social justice, although certain half-witted people who are uninformed about the Islamic government and political issues in an Islamic state have somehow pretended and still persist in their writings and in their lectures that Islam advocates uncontrolled capitalism and private ownership, and with such interpretations of the Islamic dictates they have marred the brilliant visage of Islam, thereby paving the way for the invasion against Islam by malevolent people and for intimating that an Islamic government is a government like capitalist governments of the West, such as the United States, England and other plunderers of the West, and there are others who, relying on the judgment of such silly people, or perhaps maliciously and without bothering to check with true Islamicists, they are fighting Islam. Islam is rather a moderate system of government which recognizes private ownership only to a level and allowing it only within bounds, the implementation of which system in its true form will ensure the turning of the wheels of a healthy economy which is required for a healthy political system.

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tfw real socialism is when you don't like "crony capitalism"

>>2684610
This meme was approved by Allah (the OG libertarian)

>>2684571
I'm a Muslim and I never read any mention of capitalism in the Quran. However, Islamists mostly backed by gulf money, invented le Islamic economics less than a century ago and it is condemned as liberalism by every non-state sponsored Muslim economist and Imam.

You seem to be confused

>>2684618
Wrong. Islam forbids exploitation. Iran is a revolutionary Islamic People's Democratic Dictatorship. That is why working peoples support Iran Revolution and imperialist speak ill of it



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Any serious conversation about socialism has to start with something very basic systems that replace an old order cannot survive by copying it. Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets. The productive forces had already moved on. In the same way it makes little sense to claim we are building something beyond capitalism while keeping markets competition profit logic and wage dependence at the center of everything. Calling it market socialism or state capitalism does not magically turn it into a new mode of production. If the underlying structure of accumulation and market compulsion stays intact then what you have is capitalism with new management. Socialism has to mean a real transformation in how production is organized and how surplus is distributed otherwise it is just nostalgia dressed up as innovation and history is not kind to systems that refuse to evolve beyond their time.

Understanding the transition from feudalism to capitalism requires examining how each system organizes production, class relations, and the extraction of surplus. The feudal mode of production was structured around landownership, hereditary hierarchy, and obligations enforced through direct social and political coercion. In contrast, the capitalist mode of production is based on private ownership of capital, wage labor, and market exchange as the central mechanism of economic coordination. By comparing these two systems, we can see not only how economic structures changed, but also how power, freedom, and class relations were fundamentally reorganized in the shift from medieval to modern society.

Here are the core characteristics of the feudal mode of production:

>1. Land is the central means of production

Wealth doesn’t primarily come from trade or industry, it comes from land. Whoever controls land controls power.

>2. Lords own the land, peasants work it

The ruling class (lords, nobles) legally controls the land. Peasants (often serfs) work that land to survive.

>3. Surplus is extracted through extra-economic coercion

This is key. The lord doesn’t pay wages. Instead, peasants are obligated to give part of their harvest, labor time, or services. This obligation is enforced by tradition, law, and force, not by a labor contract like in capitalism.
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It’s not even relevant because the ecological destruction capitalism is causing will make both itself and a transition to socialism (whatever that means) impossible anyway, the only way forward is a return to feudalism or primitive communism

>>2683687
>Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets.

They did though. That's how there were European aristos with real power well into the 20th century. Capitalists were acquiring titles for a long time to legitimize themselves (marrying into a family or buying it).

>capitalism develops centralized nation-states


Feudalism was already doing this although I guess you could call the transition proto-capitalism depends on what time period you're talking about.

You are correct. But industrial communism just seems so unimaginable and far away. How could it develop from within capitalism? What does the transitional period looks like? Is it even comparable to feudalism transitioning into capitalism? Cause they are both class systems.

>>2683687
>Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets.

Except that's what happened in Japan. Instead of having a bourgeois revolution they had a managed transition out of feudalism by the portion of the feudal ruling class who were modernizers.

< The Japanese elite knew their country to be one among many confronted by the dangers of conquest or subjection which they had faced in the course of a long history […] what is perhaps more important, the Japanese elite possessed a state apparatus and a social structure capable of controlling the movement of an entire society. To transform a country from above without risking either passive resistance, disintegration, or revolution is extremely difficult. The Japanese rulers were in the historically exceptional position of being able to mobilise a traditional mechanism of social obedience for the purposes of a sudden, radical, but controlled 'westernisation' […] the 'Meiji Restoration' […] a drastic 'revolution from above' […] The parallelism between Japan and Prussia has often been made. In both countries capitalism was formally installed not by bourgeois revolution [against feudal lords] but from above, by an old [feudal] bureaucratic-aristocratic order which recognised that its survival could not otherwise be assured.

Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Capital (1848-1875), Chapter 8

Now consider: the transition from primitive communism to slavery, and from slavery to serfdom was neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. To me, the idea that modes of production ALWAYS transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical. What history shows is that modes of production do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to particular material conditions.



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