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Will Israel Exist in 15 years?
Nearly 10 years ago Ali Khamenei claimed that Israel won’t exist in 25 years, do you still think he was right?
I hope he was but all of the countries surrounding Israel are either failed states or basically Vichy France. However I bet Egypt could possibly have a revolution in the next 10 years and elect some nationalist who would pressure Israel.
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The Palestinians in Israel Proper are enthusiastic collaborators, those in the West Bank are wallowing in nihilism and have politically disengaged, and those in Gaza have effectively been solved at this point. Meanwhile Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria are crawling on top of each other racing to be the first to kiss the ground at Israel's feet. It's absolutely over.

in 15 years israel will be a full theocracy and openly commit genocide without any hasbara apologetics.

Climate collapse means a lot of shit won't exist

no fucken way mate. cunts fucked.

>>2860941
>Will Israel Exist in 15 years?
maybe, maybe not



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There is a recurring tendency within revolutionary politics to greet every crisis with optimism. Inflation rises, wages stagnate or fall, housing becomes unaffordable, ecological collapse accelerates, governments become increasingly reactionary, and someone inevitably declares that these are "good." Not because they are good in themselves, but because they are believed to contain the seeds of revolutionary transformation. The suffering of the present is interpreted as the midwife of a liberated future.

This tendency is neither confined to the political left nor unique to the twenty-first century. Throughout the history of capitalism, socialists, anarchists, communists, as well as fascists, liberals, and conservatives have all, at different moments, imagined catastrophe as politically clarifying. The wager is simple. The contradictions of society intensify until they become unbearable, forcing people to abandon old illusions, confront reality, and take action, lawful or otherwise.

Whether this wager is correct remains one of the most difficult questions facing revolutionary politics. The phrase "things have to get worse before they get better" expresses an intuition rooted in historical materialism. If the existing order continues to satisfy enough people's immediate needs, then those people have relatively little incentive to overthrow it. Reform appears preferable to revolution. Stability reproduces consent. Capitalism is not static. It generates recurring crises. Falling profitability, unemployment, debt, environmental destruction, imperial conflict, housing shortages, and declining public services are not external accidents but recurring features of the system itself. From this perspective, worsening conditions expose capitalism's inability to meet human needs. This is not obviously irrational. Revolutions rarely emerge during periods of widespread prosperity. They tend to occur during crises.

Yet this observation immediately confronts a second one. Most crises do not produce revolution, they produce exhaustion. Misery is not consciousness. The assumption that suffering naturally radicalizes people confuses necessity with possibility. Material hardship creates grievances. It does not automatically create revolutionary consciousness. A worker facing eviction may join a tenants' union. The same worker may instead blame immigrants, or become politically apathetic, or devote every waking hour simply to surviving. The crisis itselPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2861844
>kidnapper, extortionist
source?

>>2860245
that says a lot of things about communism. Both good and bad

>>2860262
doesn't that just bolster the point the other anon was making. he was talking about how remarkably non-proletarian some of the most famous communists are. He said "in a time where most people did not get a university education." the fact that they still don't makes his point understated not overstated.

>>2860245
>Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Castro: None of them were proles.
Yeah but the last two were libs

>>2861894
you're a bigger lib if you think that



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Kerala, a state in Southern India, has a strong communist party that despite having to share state power with liberals in a capitalist government implemented a decentralised planned economy.

Local assemblies in villages or city districts make proposals of what to spend the planning budget on, from building schools, hospitals, roads to energy projects. Then through delegates these local proposals go to larger administrative levels and get adapted/combine into larger projects. Then these projects get approved or disapproved by a higher level of government. This happens once a year and has produced multiple 5 year plans throughout its existence.

Could this be used as a blueprint for a a real communist revolution? The problem with giving ownership of MoP to worker cooperatives is the fracturing of society's interests down to the firm (see mutualism), while organisational structures centred on the workplace tend to prioritise production over other important societal issues (see syndicalism). This encourages the maintenance of the commodity form and competition.

To reach true revolutionary ends workers ownership needs to be eventually transferred to social ownership. A planning commission organised based on the commune/society needs to have political grip over workplaces and industries. This to me seems like a viable model towards this that has been tried and tested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Planning_in_Kerala
https://www.sdg16.plus/policies/participatory-development-plan-kerala-india/
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>>2861360
Kerela isn’t the Maoist corridor, CPI Marxist and CPI Maoist hate and kill each other

>>2861380
It's more like the CPI MX are Mensheviks while CPI MO are the Bolsheviks

I wish armed rebellion was legal.
You don't get to impose your shitty laws on me. I have no choice but to obey them.
>Accept terms and conditions
No, but I still want your product.
I hate legalism
I hate the Serpent Race

>>2861389
And CPI Maoist are losing the war and have been losing since Operation Green Hunt, they’re in an infinitely worse position now than they were 20 years ago when CPI Maoist first formed

>>2861311
Of course electoralism is inherently limiting and will not bring the necessary social change. What I wonder is how we use and apply this experiment when an actual revolution were to break out

>>2861295
>a decentralised planned economy.
how can it be both



 

What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?

It might very well be the best possible avenue for communism in the western world. It's one of the largest partie's in Belgium and has very good polling for the next federal election, the only problem is that if they don't get a very clear majority (and thats rare for belgium) they will probably have to come into a coalition with some socdem or moderate party.
The party was also originially maoist but to not die out it just instead became a communist party.

I always thought belgium was gonna cease to exist at some point because of how divivded it is along language lines but i think finally, after however long, class struggle is uniting them together.
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>>2860359
>Peace, land and bread
Peace, land, and bread are absolutely short term economistic demands. None of those things require a revolutionary state as such. All power to Soviets is another matter of course, but they only issued that demand once Russia was already in a situation of dual power.

>>2860359
>all power to the soviets
This was top political play by Lenin, calling for dual power between soviets of deputies and the provisional government, letting the soviets be taken by reformist mensheviks and right-SRs, them hitting the wall of reformism, bolsheviks taking over after radicalization, and only then did Lenin call for APTTS. Genius if ask me. He didn't scream it as an cool slogan btw, there was actual politics behind it.


>>2860957
Damn the DSA seems even more useless than I thought

>>2858790
>What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?
how do they feel about the congo



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I have come to a serious realization.

The essence of communism is not the nationalization of the means of production. That is a byproduct of a more fundamental change in society.

The essence of communism is the government directly controlling labor i.e. people.

>besides the point, but interesting video you should check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZN8hmkSZU

A new government telling YOU to what to work on and where to work, given your capabilities and resources in the rest of society.
And this is objectively Good if the new government is Good.

This is a core redpill that is too hard to swallow for retards and normies. Those who understand need to evangelize the commie sigma grindset because the human capital for communism is very rare. That mindset is the Hive-mind. Broken people reject the hive-mind when it is an unavoidable prerequisite for communism. We will not be able to build communism with people broken and alienated by crapitalism. As crapistalism turns even worse, more and more of the entreprolecariat will gnosticpill themselves. The result is nihilism for the wealth accumulators and suicide for the rest. It will be a total dark age because human development and the divine reaching for the stars is possible only through social practice of actual vigor. All the good people are dying and returning to the pleroma. There are fewer and fewer people left to make communism work.

We will not see communism come back anytime soon because those that can do it, won't.
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>>2860893
Labor is mostly a disorganized majority. The government is an organized minority. Even in cases of populaf majority hegemony, a vanguard appeared to steer the majority. The more organized group leads. Also, let's stop pretending that historical AES governments did not give form to the labor movements in their countries. Even Iran with their Basij does the same.

>>2860715
I mean hey, if that's the word you like to use. I don't think you can honestly say, though, that it doesn't have a negative connotation in the western psyche. Gemeinwesen, however, is the explicit Marxian term which I believe has been articulated by Bordiga others in his vein, and has its own delicate German connotation and etymology.

If you have spare time consult these…ah I see he does mention 'community' a lot in the manuscripts but among the most powerful is the one more on point with hivemind'. The text is 'estranged labor' and the term is 'Gattungswesen' or 'species-being'. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm mandatory reading for leftypol in general

>>2860947
I'll read it.
And yes it does have a negative connotation. Either you are viewed as naïve, a fool, or an opressor authority figure. Atomized individuals are on the entrepreneur worship train and they aren't getting off.

>>2860724
we live rent free in your head

why do you avatarfag as this bad pirate show from the 90s



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I noticed that within much of the conservative or reactionary movement, when people's material conditions worsen, many seem to respond not by supporting efforts to improve those conditions—whether through direct action or by voting for left-wing candidates who promise economic reforms—but by directing their frustration toward immigrants or so-called "welfare queens," believing those groups are receiving unfair advantages. They often end up supporting right-wing candidates whose policies, in my view, make life more difficult for the broader public while primarily benefiting the bourgeoisie. What I struggle to understand is the mindset of wanting to make other people's lives worse simply because your own circumstances have deteriorated. I understand why they see socialism/communism to be the devil because of decades of propaganda against those systems, but wanting to hurt those who are more vulnerable than they are just seems like anti-social behavior.

This is why I don't see MAGA communism or any 'conservative/nationalist' socialism having any potential other than devolving into fascism. The people those movements are trying to appeal to have no class conscious and solidarity. Things that bind the, are class collaborationist in nature rather than built upon class struggle. Communism, be it Marxist or anarchist, is a mass movement that requires the proletariat around the world to work together to throw off their chains. And can't be hung up over conflicts between different ethnicities, nationalities, orientations and ect.
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>>2859869
sometimes I wonder if the extreme anti-social behavior is unique to american conservative movement since as an outsider looking in it appears as if conservatives in other countries usually espouse some form of corporatism as an answer to the class question as opposed to just telling people they're literally the only truly sentient person in the world.

>>2859848
Looks like Dahmer had a type.

>>2860170
Well, American liberalism has been tied to meritocracy and multicultural civic nationalism for generations now. It's the land of the free, so if you fuck up it's your own fault and you should save yourself.

This is very different from the rest of the world, where ethno-religious nationalism is far more entrenched and it's accepted that society's losers should be protected as long as they're the correct faith or skin color.

>>2859869
Yeah it's called fascism anon

>>2859869
>>2860676
strasserism actually



 

Would the ruling class actually restort to nuclear armageddon to try to maintain their social class?

It didn't happen during the cold war but we might very well be in the times of a new revolution, and even without that, the israeli regime has the samson option where it nukes itself and its neighbors for a hellish holocaust.
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At this point it's kind of like chekhov's nuclear war. It's gonna happen at some point


>>2859470
No. The taboo against nuclear war was established by the modern bourgeoisie (and the social-imperialist Soviet regime) to discredit proletarian revolution. The lie is that nukes are so uniquely destructive and dangerous that class collaboration and quietism are necessary to preserve the survival of humanity.

The truth is that nuclear war is inevitable, desirable, and eminently survivable for an educated and prepared proletarian vanguard.

>>2859470
If the porkies could find a way or make psyche themselves to believe that they would be personally isolated from the primary and secondary effects of a open ended nuclear exchange, where they could reap all the benefits of the elevated rate of profit and possible elimination of geopolitical rivals, without any the downsides. If that were the scenario, they would have probably launched the nukes already. So it's unlikely to be coordinated push towards it. Doesn't mean that they can't get high or ideology, desperation and warmongering and start a conventional war that ends up turning into a nuclear war.

I still think that the greatest buffer against nuclear war, after Russian and Chinese nuclear deterrence are the US military brass who actually have to plan for humanity ending wars and who then push back against the civilian wing of the US state machine, who would have burnt the planet x10 over by now with delusions of assured US and western victory in any and all possible conflict scenarios.

let's hope so



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Prediction (pessimistic): The US government will be overthrown, not by "social fascist" DSA members or by "True marxist leninists" (they don't exist since they are an impossible standard for a westoid to meet) but actual fascists like patriot front or proud boys. The US government will triple down on ethno-nationalism but will recede from the world stage. "Multipolarity" will bloom but will prove to be a farce. "Free trade" will collapse and all countries will be forced to become "self sufficient". This will lead to a period of basically universal Juche style self reliance mixed with ethnonational zionist kibbutz style "socialism." Neofeudal schemes will tie neo-peasants to agriculture since countries will be forced to produce surplus, but neo-peasants will double as neo-proles through digital office jobs. Basically they will grow crops for the state but also be responsible for digital maintenance of statistics. Hyper surveillance will prevent people from hoarding or hiding what they produce. Climate change will make everything harder to grow, the end of free trade will mean that all countries become isolationist and produce for themselves, and ethnonationalism and hyper surveillance will create a self reliant neofeudal national socialist dystopia in each country with its own characteristics. Each country will become an open air fallout vault. Transhumanism and gene editing will result in speciation of humans into several new sub species meant to specialize. Mind altering substances and technology will be used to enforce obedience, and transform pain into pleasure. This will entrench artificial castes and turn life into a hell disguised as heaven.

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Sounds like Pretty Basic Marxism to me.

>>2860175
No this is retarded op the reason is that the American bourgeois gets their profits internationally and they don’t want isolationism in trade they want global super profits the only version of nationalism they like is anti china and anti third world ie convert those regimes to western corporation friendly so bezos can strip mine China and loot it for parts once muh cop is gone and western private equity can buy every apartment building and SOE in China and start extraction of wealth to then

I can see the nazi elements inside the american security apparatus trying to wrestle more direct control from their zionist masters but not much would change for us.

And of course both factions collaborate effortlessly to quash the peons, everything under the heavens being chaos is not in the menu for such scenario.

>>2860178
these two faggots must be so funny if you're 12



 

Dear comrades, this is a guide how to fuck the capitalists, every day of your life.

-do not drink Coca Cola, soda. Drink water and green tea (without sugar)
-do not use toothpaste, brush teeth with toothbrush and saliva
-do not use shampoo, it's expensive and toxic
-do not eat processed foods. Eat unprocessed foods and vegetables, cook them
-do not buy expensive computer hardware and do not buy gaming consoles
-do not waste savings and your salary on consumptionism, instead invest everything or give to charities
-do not work and do not pay taxes, collect gibs from gubmint
-choose cheapest internet subscription instead of fast internet
-do not eat fast food, do not go to McDonalds and KFC
-never buy new cars, always buy old cheap cars
-use ad blocker in your web browser (ublock origin)
-spread anticapitalism on forums and social media
-do not use loans and credit cards, except house loan
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>>2860110
>Capitalists hate when you invest!
Actually, yes, they do.
They want the proletariat to be without assets, without housing, renting everything from the capitalists. They want you to own nothing.

I will do this.

Thanks

Garbage thread.

tldr: some decent anti-consumerism advice, with some harmful ignorant nonsense sprinkled in because why not (unironically you would have been better off suggesting urine and baking soda than "brush your teeth with nothing HURRR", you can die from advice this bad)

>>2860033
Deng won tho



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lets have a party to celebrate our great glorious leader Joseph Stalin he is the greatest glory to the motherland and TO HELL WITH THE BOURGEOIS AND THE CAPITALIST SCUM!!!

>>2855302
>si/b/eria is down the hall and to the left

>>2855678
hahahaha say the line bart

>>2855302
>he didn't even post the song

>>2877895
A city rooftop summer night,
in your tank top,
RAINBOW STALIN

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and yu loowk so coot bay
yu wer cwyin

awl dis luv sayvd 4 nuthin
i neva felt so blu
and awl dis luv 4 rainbow stalin



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