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Three years after October 7th this very difficult question needs to be asked:

Materially speaking, what can the American left — or any country’s left — do to actually “support” Palestine?

I’ve been an activist for Palestine solidarity since 2008. I’ve seen this movement change drastically during this time. Basically, 18 years ago you could support a two-state solution on the ‘67 border just fine without scrutiny. Now, post-Gaza genocide, you’re considered a “Zio” or “normalizer” if you support anything other than a full-blown Algeria scenario whereby every single Israeli Jew is deported or forced to flee. But let’s be honest: even if this is what we wanted, the American (or overall western) left has no ability to make this happen. It’s as stupid as claiming you’re a sellout unless you support a gigantic communist uprising happening tomorrow. Given that what we mentally support means nothing unless we can do material support, what’s the fucking point?

Oh but it’s a MORAL LITMUS TEST! — so fucking what? Even if we wanted to weed out the “immoral” people from our movement we still have no ability to carry out the results we want to see.

So where does that leave us? What should the left be doing for Palestine that it already hasn’t been doing for the past 20 years? We’ve done mass protests, boycotts, pressuring politicians, attempting to blockade weapons shipments, etc. Some people like Elias Rodriguez even used political violence. And guess what? Nothing happened in terms of the Palestinians winning. Israel’s reputation is in the shitter, but why hasn’t that translated into a Palestinian victory? How much longer do we have to wait for Israel to collapse, and if that happens on what basis would an “Algeria” scenario emerge?

Maybe I’m wrong but I really want to know what it actually means to “support Palestine” now.
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>>2928963
I read it all because I wanted to know how someone could be sick enough to burn down hospitals, and now I still don't.

>>2928919
I fucked up, the lehi tried to cut a deal with the nazis in 1941, not 1944. they weren't that depraved.

>>2928067
>Materially speaking, what can the American left — or any country’s left — do to actually “support” Palestine?
wield even the most basic fucking executive functions in cutting ties

>>2928068
those who glow;




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>be me a few years ago
>looking for a job
>get interviewed
>employer says pay is around $20/h
>brain starts working
>"if they're willing to pay me $20/h, that means I'm generating more than $20/h in value for the company"
>realize the company wouldn't hire me if I cost them more than I made them
>bring this up to the employer
>get rejected on the spot
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Read capital my man, or carlo cafiero's summarized version if the OG one is too scary

this is why people steal and sell drugs

>>2929184
Ouch, but you won't make that mistake again, what can you do

>>2930701
>mp3
average imageboard user trying to be normal IRL and wondering why everyone is so sensitive

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>job posting says 22-26$ an hour
>have experience in the field
>go through the interview
>get offered the job
>ask about pay
>she says 21$ an hour non-negotiable
>leave as interviewer complains I'm passing up a great opportunity



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
Thread #2

French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!

Français! Ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!
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>>2931437
Yet she ends up liking it so what does that tell you? Most people want be pursued

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>>2931355
>>2931422
imagine being freaked over a fictional looney tunes cartoon character many years after its creation

Fifi's character was clearly the jewish animator's projection.

>>2931451
Are you referring to me or the metooers. Apparently Pepe is aspirational to a demographic of gay autistic furries, it's sad that have lost their role model

I mean pepe



 

Not only Israeli Jews, I noticed Zionists living in a lot of countries antagonizing Poland and Poles as well. Just because Poland talks about being victimized by Nazi Germany, Ukrainian UPA, Russian Soviets, Zionists always seem to want to suppress this knowledge, even about the existence of KL Warschau (which existed in my opinion). Jews want us not to have great positions in this society, they would degrade us into criminal status, using DARVO technique as well. What motivates them to be extremely hostile against Poland like that? I'm even leftist, I believe in women's rights and they hate me for being Polish. I wonder why. How is Gaza, I'm asking right now? Why aren't those people given any chance? So many questions at once. I have an impression that antipolonism is even promoted on social media and Tucker Carlson blamed us for the WWII as well. I think Putin is a Zionist pig as well and Russia is controlled by Israelis. Same with Ukraine, but they are more Nazi. Any explanation why does it happen to Poland? We are bombarded with Polish jokes as well and Polish sense of humor is interpret as a legit threat by Israeli-controlled Westerners. Our country is being a scapegoat and Westerners are told "you will end up like Poland if you won't be democratiĉ". Westies ofc are "allies" to us, my ass. Some of you wish upon us war against Russia, too.
Those folks are actually every single reason why I hate the West as a Pole and I don't want to have anything in common with it. I'm risking being called a Russian onuca with this attitude. But I prefer my own happiness than being constantly guilt-tripped by the Western powers for the crimes we the Polish people have never committed. I used to be philosemitic, because I was taught like that at school, forced to this or else I would face the consequences of "lawlessness", now I think that they don't like us.
During PRL at least there wasn't that craziness for Zionist America like now.
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???

>>2928326
I already know this book

anybody???

>>2931335
why do you even make this thread every couple months? the answer to your question has not changed since you made the first one

>>2931461
bc I want to



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>seize power promising you'll be less corrupt than the last corrupt dickhead
>fire a bunch of people in your government and replace them with loyalists
>war pops off with your larger neighbour
>align yourself with hardline nationalists and implement anti-communist policies in your government
>the war becomes a fuckfire nightmare consisting of endless trench warfare
>america and the rest of the west gives you an endless amount of loans and sells you shitloads of guns and missiles
>american government also forces you to accept a bunch of shitty future one-sided trade deals involving giving your natural resources to us corporations
>america also does some underhanded deals with the opposing side that you've been fighting tooth and nail for the past 5 years
>be zelensky
>pic unrelated
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word for word applies to putin too kek

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Many such cases!


>>2929701
>That twist
Can't wait to see leftists in 2070 glazing over him so hard.

>>2929815
>>2929891
I hate how the second one is the non jpgfied while I was looking for the first one.



 

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I don't even know why I come in here. I've been arguing with Russians for over a decade, my mind isn't changing at this point and I already know Russians refuse to ever admit they do anything wrong. Maybe it's just to let the SVR know they can't change my mind, that their psyops do not work on me no matter how long you subject me to them.

>>2930946
It’s the worst case of protagonist syndrome I’ve ever seen.

>>2930946
you're not arguing with russians you retarded fuck

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>>2930946
>>2930946
You will talk Russian and you will like it.




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Ever since oct 7 all I hear in any political sphere 24/7 is about this bullshit and before that it was all about ukraine and russia. I don't care and I'm sick of pretending I do. Doesn't matter if you're left or right it's all anyone talks about anymore. How does religious idiots doing a genocide have anything to do with workers rights? Obviously genocide is evil but 99% of us are not materially affected by this at all. Why is everyone so hyper fixated on this?
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>>2929406
Israel is the unspoken linchpin of western control over MENA and the Petrodollar system. As a result, Palestine is a litmus test for westerners that filters treatlerites.

IIT: Labor Zionists

>>2931145
>US and Western lifestyle is funded by imperial rent; less hours, higher wages, more social services, more treats

you're really buying into trickle down economics mr. radical leftist?

>>2931223
Most radical thing you can do is commit suicide, treaterlite faggot
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49687-y

>>2931206
>unspoken
biden_were_there_not_an_israel.mp4



 

I know somebody who just voted for what his trade union told him to vote for, many other ppl who vooote do this too.

How do we convince people to overthrow the bourgeois system if they are all retarded and just follow their higher ups all the time, class consciousness isn’t going anywhere

>>2930675
Two more decades until the revolution anon, hang tight

>>2930675
>I know somebody who just voted for what his trade union told him to vote for,
Based

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>I know somebody who just voted for what his trade union told him to vote for, many other ppl who vooote do this too.
It's apathy and some limited trust that your union has a decent idea who isn't in the "murder poor people betterer" party. Why bother thinking too much about it when there are more immediate matters? It's just going to get worse no matter who gets elected, why waste the brain power?
>How do we convince people to overthrow the bourgeois system
<convince
Convincing someone to be anti-capitalist is one thing, actually facilitating meaningful action is another. The concrete conditions must exist first before people are "convinced" re: rebellion. The work of communists is to display competence and build workable architecture for response to sharpening contradiction.
>they are all retarded and just follow their higher ups all the time
I wish you patience and wide vision, comrade. This simply isn't the case, it's just the path of least resistance. Even in what looks like compliance can be found the seeds of resentment, hidden enough to survive under the boot of capital.
>class consciousness isn’t going anywhere
I think perhaps you should reflect on what it means to be class conscious. One can be very conscious of class society and slip through the superstructure with great skill yet have no revolutionary thought because the education needed to leap towards an insurrectionary attitude is missing or seems to be a dead end.

Frankly, I think convincing the current "left" to get their fucking act together is more useful imo than convincing normies to join the "left" as it currently exists. If you're tired of the war of hearts and minds, perhaps focus on a different problem: How do we prepare the advanced section of the (lumpen)proletariat, such as they are, to respond to crisis that we commies understand is ever on the horizon?

I AM GONNA VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE

>>2930675
If you aren't voting with your union you are less than worthless, you're below a lumpen, you aren't even fucking human, you retarded piece of shit, you fucking insect, you deserve to be killed for this post, faggot, broke retarded USELESS piece of fucking shit.



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I don't believe free speech is necessarily a good thing. Racists, fascists, liberals, religious people, etc. should not just be allowed to shit in the well of public opinion.
If you are engaged in class war, it would make perfect sense to ban those who oppose class strugle or work against your class from expressing themselves. That's exactly what the bourgeoisie does all the time, suppressing ideas that go against their interests or threaten their dominant role in society. "Free speech" has never existed and it shouldn't exist.
No, this doesn't make you a "red fascist", it makes you an actual threat to the ruling class.
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>>2930526
but they do not do it as they please

>>2930425
In hic signo vinces. Take as old as time

>>2930416
>don't mercilessly rape tartars? did you just do a heckin" russophobia? i'll KILL you for that, chud!
freedom from consequence is the only problem, an educated proletariat is pefectly capable of rejecting and educating

>>2930507
>and they are mere islands of socialism, isolated and surrounded by enemies.
a third of the planet btw

>>2930416
I don't think most people are meaningfully invested in "free speech." As a queer whose very existence has often been seen as pornographic, I have fundamentally different material interests than the majority of the population concerning "free speech".

Ultimately, I place changing social mores as rooted in economic factors more than very general statements about the mode of production. Secularism and queer friendliness are more tied to the specifics of the welfare state and urbanization than generalizations of queer issues as linked to capitalism or socialism. I think it's worth mentioning here that capitalism is a progressive force in many respects.

I am still wary of censorship but I think that homophobia would rise to the top in any dictatorship whether the liberal democratic dictatorship of capital or the socialist dictatorship of the proletariat. I think that reaction is more about the productive forces than censorship and that's why I support socialism. Because I think the communists develop the productive forces the most.

The idea that any state will support queer people is very naive. I think that economic factors determine such attitudes more than anything else and I think only a minority of countries have developed to the point that being pro-LGBT (or appearing to be pro-LGBT) is social consensus. I do think that a socialist state will develop the productive forces, social services, urbanization and so on that will develop a secular and pro-LGBT culture.



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Mexican President Rejects Police Crackdown on Water Protest in Guadalajara
On Sunday, the demonstration in Jalisco ended in clashes between riot police and participants who were trying to reach the governor’s residence. The organizing groups reported that four people remained missing and that journalists were also affected during the protest in Guadalajara, Mexico’s second-largest city, with more than 4 million residents.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/mexican-president-rejects-police-crackdown-on-water-protest-in-guadalajara/

Cubans turn to free community pharmacies as medicines grow scarce
“Cuba has a medical-pharmaceutical industry that we consider strong,” María Fernández Martínez, head of the province’s pharmacy company, told the official newspaper Granma. But without supplies, “not even the most capable factory can complete the cycle.” The government also struggles to obtain packaging such as blister packs and bottles and says U.S. financial sanctions complicate payments for imports. Cuban authorities say shipments of medical supplies have also been stranded in third countries because shipping companies fear U.S. penalties for calling at Cuban ports.
https://apnews.com/article/cuba-medicines-pharmacies-charity-34280901ca0d9b7a66dd1892fffa0421

Lawyers and opposition challenge Milei’s citizenship-by-investment scheme as unconstitutional
In Congress, the opposition has filed requests for information and bills to repeal it. “It is unacceptable for Argentina to put its citizenship up for sale,” said Peronist deputy Agustín Rossi, a former defence minister, who called the proposal “classist” and argued it is aimed at attracting billionaires seeking to avoid restrictions that apply to foreigners, such as on buying land.
https://en.mercopress.com/2026/10/12/lawyers-and-opposition-challenge-milei-s-citizenship-by-investment-scheme-as-unconstitutional

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Agents search Rep. Omar’s Washington home in criminal probe as she vows she won’t ‘be silenced’
The scope of the investigation was unclear, though Trump and officials in his administration have repeatedly referred in recent months to the existence of an inquiry into Omar, a Somali-born Democrat whose status as an immigrant to the U.S. and left-wing views have drawn scrutiny from the White House and other Republicans. Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin last month cited an “ongoing investigation” that he suggested was examining potential fraud in her family’s immigration paperwork. “Something’s going to happen,” he said in a potential foreshadowing of the search.
https://apnews.com/article/ilhan-omar-home-searched-8e18c2aea948bd90f4d7a4eb32b9ec3a

Buttigieg gambles on a different path for 2028
Pete Buttigieg has been able to campaign for Democrats across the country more than many of his potential 2028 rivals this past year. One reason: He doesn't have a job. That's by choice. Buttigieg said no when top Democrats urged him to run for governor or the U.S. Senate in Michigan this year.
https://www.axios.com/2026/10/11/buttigieg-gambles-on-a-different-path-for-2028

Mailers promoting a socialist candidate in Ohio’s US Senate race have links to MAGA super PAC vendor
The mailers are sponsored by Enough Promises Ohio PAC and began arriving in voters’ mailboxes in recent days. They promote independent candidate Greg Levy over Brown with messages such as “Join the Revolution” and “Send a Worker to the Senate.” Levy describes himself as “Socialist running for the U.S. Senate to represent Ohio in 2026” on his X account. Levy condemned the fliers for falsely impersonating his campaign and engaging in “dirty tricks” designed to mislead voters. He said he is considering legal action.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2026-senate-ohio-brown-husted-maga-df0f117f541099713943613e9768fd75

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France: “Generation 6-7 doing May ‘68 all over again”
6 October – the third act of the school students’ protests that have rocked France since the beginning of the school year – represented yet another escalation of the movement. The demonstrations were huge everywhere. According to the organisers, school and university student organisations, 100,000 marched in Paris alone, and a total of 450,000 marched across the country. The demonstrations were lively, extremely youthful, and mainly composed of high school students, who turned up in quick-moving columns from each school and neighbourhood, armed with hundreds of home-made cardboard placards. On 5 October, 2,000 high schools – over half the total – across the country were already blockaded. On 6 October, about 90 percent of the country’s universities also joined the movement, following mass general assemblies attended by hundreds, and even thousands, of students.
https://communist.red/france-generation-6-7-doing-may-68-all-over-again/

AutoZone Workers Won a Union. Then the Company Fired Them.
Speaking with members of the newly formed AutoZone Workers Union, you would never guess that one of them had just been fired — and that another would be the next morning. That’s what happened to Nathan DuCongé and then David Valencia after they won their union election. On a Zoom call with Jacobin, though, their joy was contagious. DuCongé and his coworkers were all smiles and banter as they talked about their union campaign, how it feels to win, and the unexpected boost they received from filmmaker Boots Riley. On Friday, September 25, an AutoZone store in White Plains, New York, became the first of the company’s nearly seven thousand American retail locations to unionize. DuCongé and his coworkers, now members of United Auto Workers (UAW) Local 259, said they hadn’t been sure which way the vote would go. “The deck was really stacked against these workers trying to organize here,” said Brian Murray, an experienced organizer brought on in August by UAW Local 259 Vice President Mike DiGuiseppe. “It was because of their sticking together, the amount of fun they have, and their camaraderie, their solidarity for each other, [that] they were able to overcome a lot of union busting.” He added, “I would have expected [them] to noPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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