/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2863070
this

>>2863084
>theft is caused by poverty
The intellectual might of leftism.

>>2863069
>If crime is merely a function of poverty
it's not
literally every single study on the subject shows this

>If crime is merely a function of poverty
Nice misframing, monkey boy!

This claim is usually made in the context of petty theft, violent muggings and gang murders. The kind of crime that makes everyday people, or small business owners, feel unsafe.
The ultrawealthy and states tend towards committing different crimes.

>Seems to me crime is more of a function of sociopathy than poverty
Crime and law is not a proxy for morality or social cohesion. I regularly avoid paying the wealthy and I use those savings to support people and organizations in need - am I therefore a sociopath?

>>2863603
>Poor people who commit crimes are being conditioned to do so by conditions of poverty. Rich people who commit crimes do so because you can't be rich under capitalism without also being a shitty person.
TRVTH NVKE
>>2863853
>>If crime is merely a function of poverty
>it's not
>literally every single study on the subject shows this
such as?

>>2855112
>What are your solutions?
War of national liberation against israel. If youre talking abous jewSA instead the problem seems to be evangelical christians corrupted by israel.

>>2855112
>these Zionist assholes
Capitalists are also bad even if they aren't zionists

>>2855112
bro this picture is hideous bro

>>2855112
A revolutionary socialist party striving for the supremacy of the proletariat must remain independent of the bourgeoisie in order to propagate its ideas among the masses. To this end, it requires an anti-imperialist policy based on solidarity with workers worldwide and opposition to any financing of financial capital's dominance abroad—without exception; this includes arms sales, loans, and aid that sustain capitalist-imperialist hegemony.

Necessary political slogans include: guaranteed public employment; a reduction in the workday; wage equality within unions, alongside the removal of all barriers preventing the formation and action of radical unions; the abolition of contracts with private companies in favor of public enterprises that compete against private firms in the market; the unionization of all workers; and labor and civil rights for all workers—including immigrants—with wage parity vis-à-vis native workers and compensation for any intensified exploitation, with the cost always borne by the capitalists. Furthermore, workers must have the legal right to pursue litigation at the capitalists' expense, and pensions must be removed from the realm of financial speculation, becoming a public guarantee controlled by the pensioners themselves, with costs covered by the capitalists who exploited the workers, backed by state guarantees. Maternity and paternity must be guaranteed by the government, and the cost of child-rearing must be borne by society; society bears the responsibility of caring for the elderly and the disabled.

All banks must be nationalized and controlled by a workers' council—free of speculators and capitalists—to regulate the minimum wage by linking it to the cost of food and workers' necessities, thereby minimizing the impact of inflation on the workforce. All government spending must be transparent and overseen by a popular workers' council to politicize every public expenditure through participatory budgeting; any fiscal responsibility laws must be abolished. Public enterprises are to be managed by workers' councils, excluding capitalists. Public debts must be audited, and all obligations and contracts with private companies reviewed, with the aim of ending speculation on public debt and bankrupting private firms so that cooperatives and public enterprises can dominate; cheap credit and debt should be usedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2877984
this text is 80% likely to be AI generated.

>>2860092
>Actually, killing people in mass quatities is hard and costly. Specially if you want to use the land they lived on AND you don't want to anger the neighbourgs. One recent example is how Rojava abandoned a big islamist prison to be taken by the turkish proxies. Rojava didn't have the time nor the resources to kill the +1000 islamists there in hours.

I bet washington just said "no" and "keep going south, though, and rounding up arabs, we need them for later". And the rest is irony, i mean, history.

guys i suspect israel might be a fake country

>>2829924
>Why dont they just kill all palestinians?
What do you think they're doing?
>Yet they don't, why?
Cat's often like to play with their catches before they kill them. Also it's better for them and their Western partners to go slow enough that they can keep it off the news.

>>2862689
>They need to exploit the Palestinians for cheap labor
This is such a bizzare cope, Israelis have a higher birth-rate then Palestinians and they have a proper working class

>>2877953
The state is the apparatus of the bourgeoisie

Say goodbye to cheap aluminum everyone

>>2877847
>Iran is uniting the muslim world
Proof?

>>2877847
>Iran is reversing decades worth of infrastructure and presence built by the US in the Middle East since Iraq.
yeah
>Iran is uniting the muslim world against a common enemy
nah. the gulf monarchies love money
>Iran has killed 11 US soldiers and 1 contractor,
way way more than that. USA is lying about their deaths in this war

>>2877912
read marx

>>2877933
You read Marx

>>2877952
>no u
"Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat." - K. Marx

"Under collective ownership, the so-called will of the people disappears, to make way for the real will of the cooperative" - K. Marx

"When the people are beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick.'" - M. Bakunin

I'm not interested in arguing with some hasanabi hot topic socialist who doesn't even know the strengths and weaknesses of what he professes to believe.

>>2877963
When we're talking about the dictatorship of the proletariat we are talking about a period of emergency rule when classes are liquidated. This doesn't necessarily equal despotism or state violence. Secondly, when Bakunin talks about the people beaten with a stick he doesn't put forward what kind of class character the coercive power of the state would convey in Marx's view and what his alternative to proletarian emergency rule is. There's never been an anarchist revolution without the People's Stick. Bakunin doesn't actually address the contradiction and went into weird shit like participating secret societies to organize insurgencies and terror as opposed to parties which would be able to create a workers' state.

>>2877963
"Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom. He is presently in Sweden, where he is hatching “revolution” with the Finns." - K Marx
I am not interested in people who think a fat pedophile arguing about sticks counts as a valid critique of communism. Hierarchy arises out of the social/economic conditions and can only cease to be through actual changing of those conditions, which can only be brought about with the people's stick. Change the world and change the need for hierarchical forms of social organization

>>2861432
>race war
retard

>>2861432
>Either way I’m abandoning this shithole
i hope wherever you go they hang you

>>2861432
DSA is a White party made up of rich White men with Aryan wives.

>>2861453
large if factual

>>2861383
People still hate the previous status quo and know that it will offer them nothing

>>2849563
>What are the best arguments for or against third-worldism?
for: it makes americans mad
against: it isnt communism

>>2849563
Duginism ruined third worldism.

How? Duginism turned third worldism into boomer tier tradcucking and moralizing about interventionalism in the same way 1st worldists do, except instead of "human rights" now it is tradcuck "because god said so" and third worldism stupidly anti-Machiavellian.

I honestly I can't sympathize with 3rd worldists because they have become mimics and mirrors to 1st worldists–now it is about being as "anti-secular" as possible when many 3rd world regimes were built by secularists and nationalists. Now (due to Iran's influence) ultraclericalism. Now, they're pro-interventionalist on any faggy pretense as much as 1st worldists are.

The worst part about the new religious doctrine of third worldism, as espoused by Duginism, is that all it does is play into the 1st worldists' hands–they love nothing more than to divide and conquer based on religious sectarian fronts, esp. in the Middle East, as that was the original pretext against mobilizing proxy wars against the Soviet Union.

Chinese script was invented because multiple kingdoms speaking different languages could be unified by a singular writing system. Even if you don't know how the words are supposed to be pronounced to the other person you can still understand the ideas. Chinese script is already a lingua Franca by design.
Chinese script should be the universal writing system, while speaking whatever language is convenient

>>2862751
>Even if you don't know how the words are supposed to be pronounced to the other person you can still understand the ideas.
Only the oldest Chinese characters are pictographs and most of those have been transformed completely into logograms. And you can't just look at logograms and know what it's talking about.
>Chinese script should be the universal writing system, while speaking whatever language is convenient
Japan did that and now they have three writing systems. Even the Korean writing system would be better.

>>2843122
>liking something
>idealism
oh nonono maokeks…

Unironically adopt Shavian.
Shavian.info

english is a fag language that must be destroyed. i am skull face

>>2862311
Bruh how is that empiricism?
Its vibes based not senses based

>>2862316
reams of survey data
(i sense this will not be a productive conversation.)

>>2862324
Where did they survey?
Your ass?

>you look bad!
<no, you look bad!
Everyone itt is formaly invited to looksmax.org

>>2829352
>It's a miracle Mamdani won after humiliating himself at the weight lifting attempt.
it's not the bush years anymore. nobody cares about that gay shit

>>2857565
Honestly, I just don't like the idea of having to work 8 hours a day just for the benefit of the few. I wish I could go back to the village and live a solitary life free from other society, other people genuinely scare me. I won't have enough money to achieve this though, but I just hate modern industrial society so much….

>>2858127
2016 wasn't this horny

>>2858126
again the critique made by primitivists isn't that all forms of industry will completely disappear but that complex industrial system of the modern world is fragile and can collapse given a strong enough economy down turn and crisis.

anarcho primitivism is delusional. just because industrial society is unsustainable does not imply a RETVRN to pre-industrial conditions. post-industrial society will be life scarred by an industrial past.

>>2877914
no anprim has claims that a collapse of industrial society implies a RETVRN to pre-industrial conditions