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>fucking up the world's economy and the youth for two decade because of a flu that mainly kill the gigaold boomer rentier class and a few terminally ill people who wouldve died 6 month later anyway
While rightoids made a clown show of the whole situation, as usual, with their antivaxx conspiratard bullshit featuring Favci killing one trillion goyim with MNRA black magic, i still don't understand what was the rational behind the lockdowns and demolishing the supply chain. How does the bourgeoisie profit from it? Why even third world war torn shithole like Lebanon or Sudan did it? Why did China?
It felt like all of our elites became insane.
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>>2819187
It was really terrible for people who lived alone in a tiny appartment or renting a maid's room. Young people being trapped with abusive parents also. I had several friend in Paris who became almost insane from it.
Otherwise it was fine. It's the economic consequence that we are still dealing with that are bad. Nothing ever came back to pre-covid level. Employment (which was already bad), prices, the quality of most services, even lots of food products have become bad.
It also made a quarter of the population insane.

My dad died

>>2819191
So it sucked for people who already had sucky lives. It was probably going to suck for them no matter what happened.

Quarantine showed we can reverse climate change

>>2819191
I lived alone in a studio apartment in a basement during covid and it still wasn't that bad for me. I did get to go to work but people acted like they got sealed in their apartments like china



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


<Sino-Burger Summit Retrospective Edition


OP Backup Site: https://usapol.neocities.org/

💀 ICE & Prison Resources

(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

• ICE tracker using public info and user submissions // https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
• list of deaths at ICE concentration camps // https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
• visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
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>>2817253
We got Atomwaffen x Antifa before GTA 6

>>2817286
>So this is what fedlix was rambling about. if he had any social skills whatsoever he could have easily explained what he meant instead of making it sound like he was celebrating the death of victims lol
making sense is contrary to his mission. he has to say the truth in the most confusing and hostile way possible

American national bouj, about 150 years too late

>>2819110
i feel bad for deaf people who think the easter egg subtitles are what he's actually saying lol

>>2819110
the guy is wrestling with the contradictions but still coming up short. he thinks a mid sized regional business won't be destroyed like a mom and pop shop, but it will be. it just can't compete with a monopoly. this is why the teddy roosevelt era bourgeoisie in america did trust busting, while across the pond lenin was nationalizing monopolies and having them owned by the proletarian dictatorship. those are your two options. break up the monopolies which is just kicking the can down the road since it resets competition, punishes "winners" and makes the future emergence of new monopolies inevitable, or build a new mode of production centered around worker ownership of monopolies.



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The term "antisemitism" has lost all meaning for me. In a lot of western countries they have an entire year's worth of history curriculum dedicated to the holocaust, which is very real and did happen, but anyway… my point here is that when the media says "antisemitism" they want to conjure up the image of neo-nazis and white power "people" when most of the time they are talking about Palestinians who had their land forcefully expropriated in the same way that the native americans did. One group wants genocide, one is actively fighting against a genocide, yet they are both treated as "antisemitism" by the media. It's such a slick and disingenuous use of the term. That's why I can't stand when I hear it these days
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>>2818343
>Probably the majority of people have no idea that millions of non Jews were killed in the Holocaust,
even in the US i was taught that so idk what you're on about

>>2818213
>>2818333
didn't deny there's a jewish-centric and jewish supremacist revisionist history, just pointed out that history of the non-jewish victims is not generally denied, even if it is also not mentioned often enough. I think it should be mentioned more often, in contrast to nazis, who deny all of it, or say it was all good

>>2818990
the techbros made everyone stupider and more reactionary in a matter of years

>>2818028
>ziorat spotted

>>2818990
Sophie is based.
Calling reactionaries out for their contradictions is good. Even if done so crudely. These filth are not interested in good faith debate so telling them they are the real "Epstein sl4ves" in a way is praxis.



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Communism is an impossibility, you’re never getting rid of the division of labor. Even if you got rid of entrepreneurs and investors and replaced them with the state you’ll never have factory workers doing brain surgery or high level accounting. Unless you rotate which sector sets the government agenda (which will inevitably benefit itself above the wider community) you’re just going to have a dictatorship of HR departments, which would be worse than the status quo.
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>>2813589
>Communism is an impossibility
I will make it possible

>>2813589
>equating capitalist mode of production with expertise/specialization
You know that guilds predate capitalism by thousands of years right?
The idea that "entrepreneurs" and investors are experts is also hilarious - the opposite is true in most cases.

>>2813589
>you’re never getting rid of the division of labor.
so? division of labor is good. do you want plumbers doing neurosurgery?

>>2818963
If you have a problem with your brain, that’s your own fault and moral failure, every kind of surgery is just enabling bad behavior

>>2819008
Stop bumping slide threads, retard.



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Ibn Khaldun already had a labor theory of value and theory of evolution in 1377:

https://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Muqaddimah-by-Ibn-Khaldun-Translated-by-Franz-Rosenthal.pdf

Evolution:
>The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.

Labor Theory of Value:
>Now, as we shall mention, labor is the real basis of profit. When labor is not appreciated and is done for nothing, the hope for profit vanishes, and no (productive) work is done. The sedentary population disperses, and civilization decays.

HOW WAS HE SO BASED?
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evoluution nor the LTV were crazy concepts, i'd argue both existed in some form in the roman period

Marx never claimed to have invented LTV, he was very clear about being a critic of the inconsistent LTV of Ricardo and Smith.

>Ibn Khaldun already had a labor theory of value and theory of evolution in 1377
so did Thomas Aquinas, who died before Ibn Khaldun was even born

>>2818714
Both are far better than the revisionist Karl Marx.

>>2818714
Did Tom also invent sociology?



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From a Marxist perspective, which side should we support critically?
>Kasakela
>Kahama
>Mitumba
>Kalande
>the meow hooohoo haaahaaa

Whoever is the most historically progressive.

>>2818760
Finally a good fucking threat



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>Soviet Archives

Reminder: There is no monolithic Soviet archives. It's an umbrella term usually to refer to the over a dozen central state archives in Moscow, which over the course of several mergers, acquisitions, and Renamings got the main previously classified government records and communist party records. Certain collections are open to the public. Other archives might be invitation only or by request of scholars. There are certain records that to this day are still classified, especially retaining to some of the operations of the Cheka, NKVD, and KGB are deemed to still be relevant to Russian national security and are usually within the FSB archives. The term could also include regional and local archives across the country and in other former Soviet countries. In the broadest sense it could even refer to archives completely outside the former Soviet Union, which have a Soviet documentary focus.

So just keep that in mind any time anyone refers to "the soviet archives" in a casual conversation. Maybe interrogate what they mean by that, regardless of whose "side" they appear to be on.
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>>2816658
gee beria, how come the politburo lets you have two typewriters?

>>2816658
Damn, I can't believe the Soviets would deliberately fill their archives with false documents to mislead western researchers 50 years later. What a bunch of dumbasses.
That's almost as bad as every old Bolshevik being a secret Trotskyist wrecker and Nazi collaborator and no one finding out until Stalin did in the 1930s. Was the USSR always this incompetent?

>>2816692
there's no need for snark
the implication is that there's people working in the archives, who have access to blank letterheads, producing documents that push whatever narrative the Russian Federation wants the world to see. there was a thread on this board a couple of years ago looking at the forensics of this, the conclusion of which is that either Beria used a second typewriter only for things like execution orders that put the USSR in a bad light, or someone is or was producing fakes
>That's almost as bad as every old Bolshevik being a secret Trotskyist wrecker and Nazi collaborator and no one finding out until Stalin did in the 1930s
do you have evidence to the contrary?

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>>2816658
>there's also the possibility that some purported documents from the archives are fakes
This is probably true. Especially from both Khrushchev, and the wrecker Yakovlev. The katyn massacre files were most likely forged, for sure.

All of the "Soviet Archives" released during Yeltsin's term are fake.



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Any sufficiently advanced materialism is indistinguishable from idealism in the same way that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. From a materialist perspective, consciousness is not something separate from the physical world. It is what happens when matter becomes organized in sufficiently complex ways, especially in brains capable of memory, self-modeling, and recursive feedback. Conscious experience, in this view, emerges from physical processes rather than floating above them as a soul or independent substance.

Modern physics pushes this one step deeper. Matter itself is no longer understood as tiny solid objects at bottom, but as patterns or excitations in underlying fields, with these fields being a universally extant substrate that is present even in the vast cosmic voids between galaxies, where there is very little matter or energy. If consciousness comes from matter, and matter comes from these universal fields, then consciousness may ultimately depend on certain highly organized field dynamics. A brain would not contain some extra ingredient beyond physics; it would be a particular arrangement of the same substrate underlying matter itself that makes up everything else in the universe, including "empty" space.

The open question is whether consciousness is only a rare effect produced by very complex systems, or whether it reveals something more basic about reality itself. One possibility is that consciousness is just an emergent process, like liquidity emerging from molecules. Another is that experience is somehow woven into the fabric of the universe from the start, with minds being especially dense or sophisticated expressions of it. Physics does not settle that question yet, so the debate remains philosophical as much as scientific.

Religion and the supernatural is not needed here, the conclusion is that the ideal and the material are part of the same substrate, and the evolution of mind out of matter is built into physics itself, possibly as a deterministic inevitability. Speak with the fungi for more info.
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>>2818361
>one of the interpretations of qm that i prefer over the others is heavily inspired by diamat
wait so if certain interpretations of QM build on DiaMat how is DiaMat ahead of it. We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, but those who came before us are not "ahead" of us. We are "ahead of them" because we are able to see farther by building on top of their frameworks.

>the world under diamat is close to that of the implicate order, with the contradictory nature of temporal moments being relatable to basil hiley's concept of the "duron" as well as the uncertainty principle


>the recognition by marx of sensuous activity being before the division between subject and object also provides a better way of interpreting the role of consciousness in material reality compared to the consciousness wave-function collapse which takes the self-standing observer for granted imo



interesting, thank you.

>>2818505
>in all his supposed knowledge about computers, he could not figure out how to navigate the imageboard
anon being born in the 50s and knowing a fuckton about logic gates and turing machines has nothing to do with knowing how to navigate a dogshit user interface first made by japanese autists in the 00s for anonymously discussing anime titties

>>2818561
excuses excuses
I wanna know why he is unconscious

>>2815873
>Because there would have to be a gradient from non-consciousness to consciousness, which is not identified.
As someone that's been dehydrated before, there absolutely is a gradient between consciousness and non-consciousness.



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Hezbollah drones limiting 80 percent of Israeli troop assaults in Lebanon
The report stated that anti-drone systems were being distributed to only a limited number of Israeli troops due to supply shortages, and that some military operations were not being carried out in daylight hours over fears of drone attacks. These drones have increasingly become a problem for Israel’s government, which has reportedly created a specialist task force, composed of military, defence and civilian experts, to develop systems to counter the threat. Israeli military intelligence sources told Kan that Hezbollah had moved away from a command and control structure, and was now operating guerrilla-style warfare.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hezbollah-drones-limiting-80-percent-israeli-troop-assaults-lebanon

'We don't know when the bulldozers will come': Palestinians fear expulsion in Khan al-Ahmar
The Bedouin village, home to around 300 Palestinians, lies in Area C of the occupied West Bank under full Israeli military control. Residents have for years endured repeated threats of demolition, violent settler attacks, and harassment by Israeli forces aimed at driving them off their land. Smotrich said he was coordinating with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli military to secure approval for the expulsion order, which would still require cabinet authorisation.
https://www.newarab.com/news/were-all-afraid-palestinians-khan-al-ahmar-fear-expulsion

Israeli police force Gaza flotilla activists to kneel with hands bound, video shows
The flotilla, having set sail from southern Turkey, was making a renewed attempt to deliver aid to war-shattered Gaza after earlier missions were also intercepted by Israel. Organisers say they aim to break Israel's blockade of Gaza by delivering humanitarian assistance, something aid bodies say is still in short supply despite a U.S.-brokered ceasefire between Israel and ​Hamas in place since October 2025 that includes guarantees of increased aid.
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US employers spend more than $1.5bn a year to fight labor unions, report finds
Employers spent company money hiring consultants and law firms specializing in union avoidance and on legal counsel, representation, and litigation services during union elections and organizing campaigns. US employers spend $442m on union-avoidance consultants annually, according to an estimate by the EPI. Amazon alone spent $26.6m in 2025 on union-avoidance consultants, based on filings with the US Department of Labor.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/20/how-much-companies-spend-fight-unions

US Democrats push to rein in Trump on Cuba as White House steps up pressure
A group of ​Democratic U.S. senators introduced a resolution to stop President Donald Trump from using the ‌military against Cuba on Wednesday, as his administration escalated pressure on the island's government by indicting former President Raul Castro. Democrats Tim Kaine of Virginia, Adam Schiff of California and Ruben Gallego of Arizona introduced a War Powers ​Resolution to block the use of the U.S. armed forces against the Communist-ruled ​island.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-democrats-push-rein-trump-cuba-white-house-steps-up-pressure-2026-05-20/

NTSB: Flaw that led to engine flying off UPS plane grew unnoticed under relaxed inspection schedule
The National Transportation Safety Board’s questions also drew out that Boeing relied on older data when it asked to extend the inspection schedule in 2015, and didn’t seem to account for seven instances on other planes of the same model when the key engine mount parts were failing. The Federal Aviation Administration, for its part, approved the request after a month’s review without seeking more information.
https://apnews.com/article/ups-louisville-ntsb-md11-plane-engine-d31d05f24d5a8277c76abae298d30e52

Tennessee man jailed over Charlie Kirk post wins $Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Debanking, an Authoritarian Threat to the Left
The twenty-first century brought the utopian promise of an ever more interconnected world. Champions of globalization aspired to ever more international connectivity, meant to discourage powerful actors from creating divisions that might threaten the well-being or existence of others. It was rarely mentioned, however, that global interconnectedness could also allow individual actors in key positions of power to influence decisions across the entire network. Nowhere is this danger more evident than in the now-globalized banking sector. The serious consequences of interconnected global banking and finance have recently threatened the left-wing German solidarity organization Rote Hilfe (Red Aid). Citing the Trump administration’s declaration of an enigmatic German antifa group as a “terrorist” organization, a Göttingen-based bank attempted to shut down Rote Hilfe’s accounts. Similar cases have threatened other left-wing and anti-fascist groups in Germany and across the world. It lays bare the threat that “debanking” — the shutting down of accounts or refusal of services on political grounds — poses to the Left.
https://jacobin.com/2026/05/rote-hilfe-debanking-germany-repression

What Do People Attending a Tommy Robinson March Really Believe?
What do the 60,000-odd people at a Tommy Robinson march believe? Surely – at a minimum – they all like Tommy Robinson? I have news: no. He’s a “Zionist shill”, “a grifter”, I was told by two of his own attendees. One man confidently told us he wouldn’t have come on the march if it had been associated with Tommy Robinson (the march was organised and emceed by Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon). Were they all, at least, united in their hatred of migrants? Not entirely, no – not least because some of them were migrants: Iranian monarchists, to be exact, here at Robinson’s request, they repeatedly told me. They held up banners of Robinson that depicted him and US president Donald Trump in shimmering light as saviours of the Iranian nation. Some called for the UK to immediately invade Iran. They were, at least, keen to underline that they were genuine migrants (as opposed to the fake ones you apparently get these days). Most of the British nationalists we spoke to looked on, bemused aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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a common naive misconception among the political left is that the ruling class don't care about the poor and the marginalized, but that's not true at all. they are very interested in these people - they hate them. they don't just turn their backs on them; they deliberately go out of their way to hurt them, they devote time and money and resources to keeping them poor and marginalized and preventing anyone else from helping them, they want them all to starve and suffer and die.

the ruling class are so wealthy and greedy now that they see the poor and marginalized as worse than useless. in a more quaint time they would enslave them and use them for cheap labor, but even that's not worth their time anymore. why enslave the poor and marginalized in your own country and deal with all the hassles of labor laws and minimum wages and strikes and lawsuits when you can just enslave people in some distant foreign land whom you can pay even less and never have to even see or think about, or just automate the labor with machines? in a more quaint time they would exploit their desperation and sell them worthless garbage at a markup but even that's not worth their time anymore. why scam nickels and dimes from the poor and marginalized when you could be scamming rich people like investors and managers and doctors and politicians, people who actually have money to spend?

the ruling class no longer see the poor and marginalized as cattle; they see them as vermin. cockroaches. a person of inadequate means and/or divergent characteristics is an insult to them, a vulgarity, a foul stench and an eyesore. they want these people gone, exterminated, to make room for people and things that actually matter. if you think this is hyperbole, ask yourself this: why do the ruling class fight so hard to destroy things like public healthcare and public education and welfare and food stamps and subsidized housing when they don't even pay taxes and these social programs don't cost them a dime? why are the ruling class investing billions of dollars into things like fertility drugs and in-vitro fertilization and genetic screening and incessantly catastrophizing about declining birth rates in privileged and affluent populations?

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>>2817803
If you produce a good and it is not sold, does the good still have SNLT?

The idea machines can't replace human labor because they don't have souls sounds like something a medieval priest would say. I wonder how they explain beasts of burden since they're probably the type who thinks animals are automatons who don't feel anything. Maybe they're woke on animals because it's more organic than a robot.

>>2817918
Can surplus production exist without surplus value?

>>2817923
Yeah, the holocaust for example

>>2816366
People misunderstand this. The capitalists are perfectly aware that they need employees. The capitalists just want to liquidate old people, the disabled and other minorities.



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