/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2837660
Wow he is even more retarded than I thought.

>>2837765
> I don’t see how taking a harder stance on idpol is gonna make socialism sound more appealing except for maybe convincing a right winger or two, but I think it’s unlikely.
I realized western leftism has to be socially liberal and conservative leftism is usually a phenomenon of the eastern hemisphere. I am still trying to figure out why that is, but my preliminary theory has something to do with individualism in culture or actual ethnic cultural unity in other words.

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>>2871896
>The fire and air push the body up. The water and the earth – down. Galileo and Newton have denied the levitation. And the Universe became material. It started to fall.
You see all of you think this is stupid but actually this is brilliant. By pushing unusable aristotellian avatar paradigm, you keep the masses mystified by nature, while you who now the TRVTH about atoms and the material world, can control the sheeple.

Dugin at al. are angry at everyone having a chance at changing reality in their image. Dugin et al, like most neo-reactionaries want to restrict access to the TRVTH for the masses because the masses cannot handle the TRVTH (i.e. they can shape their own reality separate from the totem they are trying to enshrine).

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Dugin on this one conceptually because every political movement worth a damn succeeded because they controlled access to the TRVTH in the public. I never wanted this to be the case but look at all the countries that survive (usa,eu,china, dprk), they all control TRVTH. And all the countries that failed (ussr,sfrj), stopped controlling TRVTH and let the "free market of ideas" take over which usually means a more organized force will become the cultural hegemon.

>tldr I don't want to live under Duginism. I want my enemies to live under Duginism.

>>2872983
I think it's probably some kind of objective process. What this means is that socially conservative immigrants in the West end up being forced into the same alliances as the woke libtards for reasons that are bigger than the individuals involved. The left has various objectives to abolish social privileges, inequalities, and discrimination.

Also secularism is a goal of the left, like secularizing social life, which means emancipating the state from religion. Karl Marx would have thought that progressive but falling short because it doesn't address what creates the demand for religion in the first place. But at any rate, Muslims in America have an objective interest in secularism because they are a minority. Most of them might not agree with Pride parades per se but the same framework protects a Shia mosque as well as a Pride parade.

>>2873022
In the cause of mamdani id argue he genuinely believes what he preaches. Nothing about him struck me as conservative.

>>2872836
forgot the commie muppets

>>2872836
>power must ultimately be maintained through the application of violence
Not necessarily. Direct violence is always the last resort.
>Am i more powerful than a dictator if i shoot them with a gun until they're dead?
Well, this concerns general arguments about "legitimacy". What is the mechanism which transfers power? In an assassination, a leader is killed, but power is not transferred to the assassin, while in a revolution, the murderers become the new leaders by right - the same pretext as a "right to the throne" which initiated wars, like the Battle of Hastings. So, as per the saying, you can "kill the man", but not "the idea". Power is in "the idea", therefore, not the man, the same way God as an idea is powerful because God is not present.
>can power be wielded as a tool for good
All power must be justified, and so power always serves good - but only an exclusive good. So this is a larger debate about morality, but in politics, goodness is often seen as class interest.
>produce a constant cycle of abuse of it in order to maintain power?
Well, that is the ancient opinion in people like Plato, Aristotle and Polybius, that politics is a cycle of violence (e.g. Monarchy, Oligarchy, Democracy, etc.) which has no resolution. These opinions certainly seem valid given the history of politics, where no permanent state has ever been maintained, due to contradictions within and without. Realists of political violence are people like Hobbes and Locke who see that the social contract is a temporary peace treaty between self-interested parties. Peace can exist, but not forever, and so the social contract is broken by a means of war. Heraclitus believed that all things in nature were at war, and if this is so, then power is simply a cycle of abuse - projected onto life as a whole, this becomes Darwinism. I personally have a mutualist view of nature - not because I think all things can exist in peace, but that there is clearly an ecological equilibrium at play, otherwise life would have already destroyed itself.

>>2872877
>In an assassination, a leader is killed, but power is not transferred to the assassin
if by "assassin" we mean the one who organized the murder,this DID happen during medieval times,and even as recent as Lincoln assassination,it can always happen as long as there is some form of direct succession (necessary to have transition of power)

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Azov Glowzek

>>2872990 (me)
btw this is why the best way to not be assassinated,other than towing the line of the ruling class (renouncing power in all but name) is having someone that is more radical and extreme than you as successor/direct opposition

Imagine Marx on speed instead of arsenic,opium,and booze lol.

>>2872513
didnt they have essy access to coke back? a few bumps a day could have helped him finish 'pital

>>2872781
He smoked cigars, so that's kinda a stimulant.

>>2872781
i think he was born too early coke was popular towards the end of the 19th century. it would have been a novelty when he was an old man.

This reactionary thread is mind boggling stupid
>>2872164
>Engels is now roaming free, distorting Marx’s work
>distorting Marx’s work
No proof of this
>Lenin reads an incomplete Marx bibliography
Marx’s bibliography was complete enough. Lenin decided to do shit like making vanguard parties when the manifesto itself (the booklet) explicitly states not to. That’s his fault.
>The USSR now believes Book II is a manual of socialist development
The USSR was revisionist and prone to misinterpretation and even outright ignorance. That’s their fault, not the fault of book II or Marx.
>Marx’s ADHD, among many other things, lead to the USSR’s collapse.
The USSR led to the USSR’s collapse. Marx only gave the tools and knowledge to progress to the next mode of production.

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History becomes legend. Legend becomes Myth. How can Marxists top this two-step decay from real historical understanding into oversimplified quasi-religious mythology? RRR example is good because it literally feels like a vedic myth mapped onto the British colonial period. And it's meant to. Right deviationists claim this kind of Sorelian mythmaking is necessary to rally the normiecattle… but I think it's a lazy excuse for just not putting in the work of educating the masses.

>>2872578
If only there was some kind of process at work that could be examined and analyzed.

But alas, history just becomes legend!

>>2872584
Alas

>>2872126
Scotland is the funniest (if perhaps most boring) case of this because it basically lacks a "national bourgeoisie" (Scottish-not-British bourgeoisie are like 3 guys, the rest all became British bourgeoisie and moved to England because of course you'd choose the market of 70 million over the market of 5 million) while retaining other local elites. (Scotland has a separate systems for law, education, healthcare, transport, and most other day-to-day government functions, so Scotland's upper-strata are mostly administrative rather than commercial, which is reflected in the structure of Scotland's devolved parliament.)
This has evolved into the fun idea that Scotland is not so much oppressed by the English (contra anti-Scottish-nationalist cliche which holds that they blame the Scot-on-Scot, or really British-Scot-on-Scottish-Scot highland clearances on the English.) as by Westminster or London via the abstractions of the Scottish National Party. Scotland oppressed not so much by England as by the union of Scotland and England that Scottish elites signed up for (against the will of the working class) centuries ago.

Which is groping at the underlying idea that basically, the biggest enemies of Scotland as a nation have always been other Scots, which is quite obvious yet rarely articulated explicitly. e.g. this is not the standard Scottish Nationalist understanding, even though Scotland's national poet doing one of his most famous works about the parcel of rogues who were bribed into joining a union with England, because Scottish nationalists obviously like Scottishness and are quite willing to conceptualise it quite broadly and accept anyone who wants to consider themselves Scottish whether they're muh-heritage Americans, new immigrants, or Anglo-Scots who've moved down to England. (The new immigrants are the least odd of these three, because another oddity of modern Scottish nationalism is that rather than being ethnic or cultural, it is primarily geographic, based basically on the idea that Scotland is this set of defined borders and that they should be governed as a normal country, rather than as part of Britain's weird multinational union and failed nationbuilding project.)

>>2872695
Again, it mostly comes down to not taking feudal dynamics into account. The Scottish Jacobite rebellions were largely supported by feudal Highland landowners, most of whom were Protestant Episcopalians. They opposed the dominance of the Presbyterian Church of Scotland and preferred the restoration of an episcopal church governed by bishops, as it had been during the Stuart era. There was also the appeal of the Stuart claimant himself, because he had never ruled, he carried none of the negative baggage associated with previous monarchs, while also still benefiting from the prestige and positive legacy of his ancestors.
But the majority of Lowland Scots opposed the Jacobites though.

>>2872560
I wouldn't go that far, but they've never faced political repression and they've been incredibly dominant in academia for nearly 50 years. Despite that, they've accomplished absolutely nothing.

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Who let fox news in here lmao

>>2872590
saying western leftists aren't facing oppression or repression isn't fox news.

ngl, most of the Marxist definitions of fascism are only better than the fascist definitions of fascism.
daily reminder of that conference in 1931 when fascists and Fascists couldn't decide what the fuck they were doing at all

>>2872619
It is, along with bullshit like
>they enjoyed pure dominance and shaped society.
Or
>they've never faced political repression and they've been incredibly dominant in academia for nearly 50 years.

You should get off the internet and do something to connect back with reality.

>>2872535
chapo literally coined the treatler shit to describe guys like podhoretz only for it to grow wildly out of control and turn into a twitter maoist shibboleth for the golden billionoids

>>2872534
>To be honest, I'm going to court controversy here,
I don't see how anything you said would be courting controversy.
I mean, TND, total uyghur death, is a popular slogan of there's but I think you have a point is more potential for pogroms with Muslims, Blacks are more considered more of as a problem to be dealt with as it already has been, discrimination and imprisonment. Blacks are like a "problem" for them that's more or less in stasis. But yeah the Christians will really lose there shit if Muslims get more visibility in the US about the Sharia Law and whatever. Greg Abbot just pulled the plug on some Muslims renting out a water park for a private Eid celebration because of the "controversy," when this water park already rents out for private events.

>amy goodman
it's so funny. she tried to cozy so hard with the neolib establishment, and still, she gets thrown under the bus.
she never invited again Norman Finkelstein again because Fink told her that between them two, after she accused Fink of being privileged, she's the privileged kid.
and she never again invited Boots Riley after he corrected amy for not including 'communist' in the list of things he is.
link to rubio's 'Cuba report' 446MB.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/api/v1/file/7c2ba313-ca30-47b2-a67b-8f8d1f519eed.pdf
it's a fucking PDF link, don't 'Im not clicking that shit' on me.

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>>2872489
I was saying this a couple threads ago, I can point to hundreds of laws that right now exist that cut away at freedoms and rights; some of my freedoms and rights. There are ZERO; zero laws that specifically target jews, and there surely never will be unless like fuentes becomes president. And thats not to downplay that a bunch of that stuff did exist in the recent past, but lets be objective here.

Pentagon Has Been Hiding Reports on Soldiers Injured During Trump’s Illegal Iran War
In the week leading up to the Iranian attack on Friday that killed two US soldiers and left one service member missing in Jordan, Iran carried out three other strikes against US forces in the country. Those attacks injured dozens of US service members and damaged several helicopters, according to several US officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/pentagon-hiding-iran-casualties

Inside House Democrats' fear-driven turn against Israel
The vote put House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) in the minority of his own party. He was among the 98 Democrats who voted against the measure. A former House Democrat told Axios some current lawmakers have fumed to them that Jeffries "is not reading the moment of where the party is now." … There would have been more votes for the amendment had Jeffries not spoken out, the lawmaker said, estimating that as many as 150 Democrats might have supported it in that scenario.
https://www.axios.com/2026/07/20/democrats-israel-jeffries-massie-amendment-vote
https://archive.ph/SI5VN

‘He’s a war criminal’: Mamdani exploring whether he can arrest Netanyahu if he visits New York
Mamdani said it was unclear to him whether he has the legal authority to order the New York police department (NYPD), which he oversees, to detain a foreign leader like Netanyahu. But he said he was in “an active conversation” with the city’s law department about the matter. “Whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that’s what we will do,” Mamdani added. “But we won’t be writing our own laws to that end.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/19/mamdani-netanyahu

‘An Unmistakably Chilling Message’: Trump DOJ Subpoenaed Phone Records of Journalists’ Relatives
In a letter sent to US DistPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna

Communist Party of the Workers of Spain: Statement on the 90th Anniversary of the 1936 Fascist Coup d'État
On July 18, 1936 a significant section of the Army, supported by the big bourgeoisie, landowners, the Church hierarchy, the most reactionary sections of the State apparatus, and the European fascist powers, rose up against the working people. That coup was the violent response of the ruling classes to guarantee their offensive in all the spheres; it was their response against the advance of the workers', peasants', and popular organization. Ninety years later, the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of the Workers of Spain pays tribute to those who fought fascism on all fronts. From trenches and factories, in the villages, in prisons, in exile, and everywhere the working class and the working people refused to accept the victory of reaction. We remember all those who fought for our future, especially those who, as members of the International Brigades, came to our country to give their best to stop fascism.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/07/communist-party-of-workers-of-spain-statement-on-90th-anniversary.html

Burnham knows what to do in Number 10: just keep his word
DAY ONE in Number 10 for Andy Burnham. Starmer made it simple for the new Prime Minister. All he has to do is do what he said he would do. Where Starmer took office on a false prospectus — that he would put into place Corbyn’s policies — and then proceeded to betray each one and start a police regime that stripped the guts out of Labour, all Burnham has to do is keep his word. At the rhetorical level Burnham has done well. Abandoning the ID card scheme — a maladroit move that Starmer bungled and which gifted the Tories a chance to pose as defenders of individual liberties — is set alongside his pledge to concentrate on the cost of living for working people. Where this newspaper has been the forum where scepticism about Burnham’s radical credentials are aired we can state plainly that in Burnham there rests both great hopes and real fears. But tackling the cost-of-living crisis entails real measures that go to the heart of the central contradiction in capitalist society between the interests of the class of people whose wealth derives from the work oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2872323
They were both right

>>2872422
Centrism

>>2872422
Thesis: Marxism
Antithesis: Bakuninism
Synthesis: ?

>>2872433
Bukharinism

Moved to >>>/siberia/806991.

>>2867385
>You don't believe change is possible
if you call social-democracy or state capitalism "AES" its you that thinks change is impossible because you have turned socialism into something identical to capitalism

>'This isn’t Venezuela where you take out one person and everyone else gets scared and backs down'

<Iran’s FM Abbas Araghchi on confronting Trump’s top negotiator Steve Witkoff

Shots fired.

>>2867383
The biggest economical winners this year are… Monopoly executives bringing in a whopping $8million/year shooting them directly into the world's richest class.

This allows executives to permanently be a part of the ultra rich class.

The current greed of executives in monopolies even though the monopolies are failing across the board reveals and important detail about the nature of executives. Pure raw greed at the expense of others. They have built nothing of value and intend to build nothing of value, a sad reality of the world we live in. These executives are however able to put their money into one of the investment walls and earn more money than the best paying job on the planet a government contractor. These are however outlier positions, as most Corporate workers are… Living paycheck to paycheck.

The biggest loser this year are dole recipients. Trust thieves with money is a horrible idea, working for companies is a horrible idea.

The noble safety net that exists in some countries has prevented extraordinary crimes and tragic circumstances. The wonderful idea of sharing and living in a society of mutually respectful and mutual beneficiary collective has outlined itself as the only way forward.

>>2871838
he needs sabo anon to explain him socdems are the real movement

>>2871892
At the moment the Iranians are "the real movement". I despise that phrase though because it's constantly abused by retards. Suffice to say that Iran is (inadvertently and despite its class character as a state) helping to create conditions more favourable to socialism than what preceded them.

>>2869207
the nep had alot of problems though, see scissors crisis

I swear to god rightoids are the dumbest people imaginable. The intellectual embodiment of no child left behind.

>>2871809

if by rightoids you mean people who believe in "socialist" commodity production I agree

>>2871797
>decades of capitalism but red, only then communism
who even falls for this psyop anymore

>>2871797
Scarcity isn’t a state of the productive forces but a product of social relationships. Exchanges create scarcity, not the inverse.