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>>2506575
I noticed Smith anon that your strongest opinions seem to be:

1. Machines can create value rather than just transfer it
2. Value is a social construct and not a magnitude of SNLT

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>>2507104
They dont understand what critique means in German Philosophy. I guess they think that Kant was a hater of reason.

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>>2507104
same way hegel's "science of logic" is not a series of empirical experiments.



 

Memes aside, how could the soviet republics have managed to keep unity and rivalize with the west whilst maintaining an image of a viable alternative to normal people from the 1980s-onwards ? Lastly, would a soviet model as it was intended to work in practice be actually desirable as a socialist model ?
Give specific policies and actions, not just vague stuff about "beating the corrupt bureaucrats!"
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>>2505902
that's just changing the names of things

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>>2505902
if you would please consult the meme

>>2505967
>If you are going to criticize my positions or proposals offer criticism with actual substance or the only thing I can critique is your character
Or just ask. Just say you did not understand the statement. Don’t just start critiquing my character when you know nothing about it.

The critique is that while you did bring some good ideas to the table, you ultimately negated that when you introduced dengism, and arguably made things worse by adopting an ideology that promotes more openness towards capitalist tendencies.

More military aid treats and intervention help for the afghani communists, humanitarian aid treats for derg ethiopia and zero treats for vietnam

>>2505483
Try to figure out how to significantly cut military spending without getting overthrown or destabilizing the country by unleashing a horde of unemployed soldiers.
The Soviet military had three main purposes:
1. Deter foreign aggression.
2. Assist the spread of Soviet power and communism in foreign lands.
3. Hold the Soviet Union together by force if necessary.
Now let's examine these.
1. Nuclear weapons already deterred foreign aggression enough, there was no reason to spend such a huge portion of the economy on the conventional military.
2. To the extent that this succeeded, it did not help the Soviet Union one bit once the Soviet Union started to collapse.
3. This didn't end up happening when the Soviet Union started to dissolve, for the most part the military just stood aside and let the country disintegrate. So the resources spent for this purpose were wasted.



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This is a question I have always had, usually when reading their forums they just go on and on about how they're going to magically deport 100 million non-whites from America and then they'll live happily ever after.
No actual realistic steps seem to be discussed ever. It's either pining for deportations or masturbatory fantasies about Total (insert boogeyman here) Death
This isn't even getting into how contradictory these types can be, plenty of white nationalists will pine after non white women
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>>2506677
>The right to national self determination is guaranteed to all races and peoples

Are you sure? Because I can name some races and peoples that you might disagree with.

>>2506677
>and was actually put into practice in USSR
Yeah when the USSR disbanded and a few of the nations got their independence

>>2506757
Feel free to name them

>>2506677
>The right to national self determination is guaranteed to all races and peoples, and was actually put into practice in USSR

Trvth, thoughbeit Marxism is a living science and so we must adjust and revise based upon new information and empirical data.
Certain peoples and races should have this right revoked in light of the imperialist warmongering they have performed over the past century.

Non-exhaustive official Marxist List of Peoples Who Have Temporarily Lost Their Right to Self-Determination (they may regain it after a few centuries of repentance and humiliation):
>Anglo-Saxons
>Germans
>French
>Russians
>Ukrainians
>Jews
>European-Americans

>>2504608
It was done under the German Empire if I remember right. Ironically, German Jews were probably the most patriotic of all those in Europe. Don't quote me on this but I think they saw some of the greatest social mobility there as far as late 19th c. european states went. Fritz Haber is probably the most insane example of this. Contrast all this with the judeobolshevism allegation originating largely from sheerly how many Jews the Tsar convinced to support the liberal opposition or the Bolsheviks (some rw conspiracy theories seem to lump the two together)



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I know you American folks like to freak out whenever someone calls you treatlers and insinuate that you are collaborators in your government's imperialism and world raping. But let's be honest, between us, it is true right? I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?
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>>2507882
>>2507878
What the bourgeoisie calls "services" produce no value. Read proletarian political economic textbook. Everything you said is wrong.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch15.htm
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch20.htm

>>2507883
I never brought up services. Baristas aren't service workers, they're produce vendible commodities. Customer service workers are service workers because they don't produde suplus value. Even a porn star who produces a DVD film or porn movie is more proletarian than an Indian customer service worker because they produce a vendible commodity (Adam Smith).

>>2507883
>stars are the only proletarians because anything other than creating atoms is just moving shit around

>>2507809
theres a wide gap between read settlers third worldists and principled analysis of labor aristocracy.

>large group but not everyone in the 401k group is automatically precariat

yeah i was saying theres two groups the 401k group who are a new type of petty bourgeois and the precariat who are lumpen. the first being a part of the FDR new deal which was ultimately a compromise to stop communist revolution after ww2 while industry was booming and the big bourgeoisie could afford concessions. the actual proletariat is small but growing, the problem is that lumpen arent moving up, its petty bourgeois getting pushed down and becoming reactionary because there is no organized movement to educate them.

>>2506690
Is that what imperialism means?



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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-city-officially-famine-says-global-hunger-monitor-2025-08-22/

>UNITED NATIONS, Aug 22 (Reuters) - Gaza City and surrounding areas are officially suffering from famine, and it will likely spread, a global hunger monitor determined on Friday, an assessment that will escalate pressure on Israel to allow more aid into the Palestinian enclave.


<It was the first time the IPC has recorded famine outside of Africa, and the global group predicted that famine conditions would spread to the central and southern areas of Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis by the end of next month.



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>Hamas has responded to the US ceasefire proposals by accepting them in part but seeking further negotiations on a number of key points.
>In a statement the movement said it agreed "to release all Israeli prisoners, both living and dead, according to the exchange formula contained in President Trump's proposal" - if field conditions for the exchanges were met.
>But it appears to suggest it is seeking further negotiation on other issues regarding the future of the Gaza Strip and the rights of the Palestinian people saying that they are still being discussed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o

>>2507582
Disgusting

>>2507582
Will be sabotaged and rendered impossible by the entity. Palestine will garner further support. Proletarian defeatism will rise, the whole shebang. We've seen this happen a gorillion times since the Al-Aqsa Flood.

>>2507609
I think that's basically guaranteed.

>>2507609
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1972853886793965624

>In Hebrew, Netanyahu gave away the game: The “Gaza Peace Initiative” was another deceptive ruse to paint Hamas as rejectionists Israel has no intention of withdrawing troops from Gaza, and will not implement any part of the plan in good faith



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2489125
AES create a federal parliament? man thats sounds like a great progress. Makes one hopeful.

>>2489125
How does this help them fight Al Qaeda?

SA: Malema found guilty of gun crime.

So is AES just doomed? Ive been trying to look at the situation with the islamists in the Sahel and it doesn't look good at all. Mali has been put under a fuel blockade and JNIM are using starlink to communicate. It seems the longer Russia is distracted by Ukraine the less time AES has to defend themselves. Any Africa anons know anything?

This the type of shit that makes me really angry. And to the multipolartards out here, China and Russia both support Morocco.



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After the Gen-Z screeching in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Nepal, it is now happening in King Julian's fief, MADAGASCAR. The whole package, with the One Piece cringe and all…

From Reuters:

''ANTANANARIVO, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Security forces fired teargas to disperse hundreds of young protesters in Madagascar's capital who took to the streets again on Tuesday despite the president's decision to partly yield to their demands by dissolving the government.
Andry Rajoelina went on state television late on Monday and said he wanted to create room for dialogue with young people pressing for access to water and an end to power cuts, and promised measures to support businesses affected by looting.''
''In a message on the protest movement's Facebook page, some of the protest organisers said they were disappointed by his speech and demanded an apology from him and the now dismissed prime minister, as well as the firing of Antananarivo's administrator.
Others went further, waving placards with messages such as "We need water, we need electricity, Rajoelina out", footage of protesters marching in the capital Antananarivo, broadcast on the privately owned broadcaster Real TV Madagasikara, showed.''

Leftypol scholars, what do you think? Lumpen-rioting, based proletarian revolution, or CIA-colour revolution?
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>>2507770
What if you just kill the fash?

>>2507776
Killing is not moralistic in of itself, but one could be deluded into believing it is moral, or has a moral imperative.

>>2507777
Like when ancom gigachads shot leftcomoids in 1945

>>2507773
do libs actually think thats an actual argument?



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I dont like tankies but i hate nazis so i guess that puts me on the left.
Created this epic maymay after the DHS made post of gigachad being anti communist, which like everything else these fascist post has no base in reality and is telling about their media literacy.
please be kind like i know giga chad is.
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>>2507742
>>2507743
Shame about your infantile disorder

>>2507749
>>2507742
Otherwise great minds think alike

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>>2506935
He doesn't look like his pics though ;_;

>>2506935
he also hates when people make memes of him



 

Political implications of more Americans converting to Catholicism?

The American right was heavily associated with Evangelical idpol for the past 50 years. They became the cultural backbone of the GOP from the 80s to the late 2000s. Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.

At the same time, it seems like leftists are embracing Catholicism too. Remember when everyone was convinced Pope Francis was a secret socialist? Jacobin mag goes out of their way with appealing to Catholics as well (every other article of theirs is something along the lines of: “Move over pink-haired bipolar feminist queers, here’s why the Catholic Church are the REAL socialists!”). People like Dorothy Day are propped up even though her actual contributions to the American left were minimal and symbolic at best (the Catholic Worker also referred to the priests killed by /ourguys/ in Catalonia as “martyrs” which is disgusting). Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.

But anyway, if Catholicism becomes a major cultural force in America in the next few years how do you see it affecting the political landscape?
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Italy is slowly turning back into a Catholic theocracy, so there’s that.

>>2503411
JD vance definately did this. I always said you can never trust an american catholic.

>>2507636
The current pope hates Trump and Vance.

>>2464937
Keep dreaming, christcuck.



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Whats /leftypol/ take on President of Burkina Faso Ibrahim Traoré?

Is he a credible anti-imperialist actor?
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>>2479643
i am not the original man, he's sort of unhinged but better than many of this site's posters, regardless you are sort of correct, please phrase yourself better, sir.

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I've argued that these juntas have an essentially conservative character but that's also why it'll be relatively simple for them to engage in reapproachment with the West (which is now gradually becoming public).

>>2507701
Togo btw seems to be the main conduit between the Sahel states and AFRICOM:
https://www.africom.mil/pressrelease/35659/ace-commander-visits-togo

>>2507623
>post a 2019 article from before aes

>>2507716
the US are just looking for a new military base in the region, and togo isnt part of aes so I dont see how they're the "main conduit"



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