/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2900679
>original contribution
probably not
>parasitizing inventions
this is the nature of invention, to spread and be used, even by people who you would like not to use it. I do not endeavor to praise the concept of intellectual property which tends to seek endless generations royalties and is thus also parasitic, especially in the case of patent trolling

>>2900675
This, but also it's a way for a small country with few natural resources to remain economically relevant. Just look at Taiwan with their semiconductors.

>>2900766
This.

Israel has always been afraid of getting embargoed. They were actually under a U.S. arms embargo during the '48 war, and then worked with France until '68 when France cut them off and then got back in with the U.S., but have since the beginning tried to do as much as they can themselves. For the military their strategy has been to produce at least one major weapon system in each category in Israel. The hardest thing was making airplanes which they never quite managed to do themselves. But in the 1970s they started making their own tank, for example. They'd make their own radio, and their own submachine gun, the Uzi. Then they'd sell radios and Uzis to all kinds of evil governments like South Africa during the Cold War at a lower price point than Western countries.

A lot of military hardware also isn't weapons but kind of niche stuff, like specific components. So Israel wouldn't make every component but they'd try to get good at specific things, so when Vietnam wants to upgrade their old Soviet armored vehicles with a new fire-control system, Israel will sell it to them and do the upgrades and they don't care about who they do business with. Or India, which has historically bought more Russian stuff than American stuff. (The U.S. has historically sold a lot more weapons to Pakistan than India.) Also the influx of Jewish engineers and scientists from the Soviet Union in the 1990s helped.

Also they've tried really hard to integrate with Western supply chains. Also a big thing now they do is medical technology. I think there's something about military hardware and medical tech that transfer easily because there's a lot of sensors involved. An engineer who can design a sensor for a helicopter can also make augmented goggles that a surgeon wears.

Also see Cuba pivoting into biotechnology in the 1980s (probably for similar reasons). You don't need a huge, continent-sized industrial base like the U.S., Russia or China to make pharmaceuticals. It's a good niche if you're a small country.

Also IT / software is a thing. Russia also got into that but they got frozen out of Western countries. Kaspersky is highly regarded in the cybersecurity industry. Enterprises in the U.S. and Europe got off Kaspersky after 2014 but China is a huge market. I like the ad where Eugene Kaspersky equips Jackie Chan to enter the CYBERWORLD to fight evil computer viruses with martial arts moves.

>>2900666
goyim control

The ancients understood that women rule the household and so men are at mercy of the wrath of their wives. It's never up to men.

>>2900988
Who cares about this culture war nonsense? Fuck off back to whatever website you came from.

>>2901019
>watch fiction for facts
Anon…

Who gives a shit about culture war slop?
Sage

Moved to >>>/siberia/818683.

>Is there a communism who puts central importance on the lumpenproletariat, and not the proletariat?
There were some New Left currents that did this on the basis of (mostly Black) prisoner's movements in the 60s and 70s. Iirc Huey Newton adopted some elements of this in his writing.

>>2899857
>Iirc Huey Newton adopted some elements of this in his writing.

Quick rundown?

>>2900934
It's essentially just a variation on the labour aristocracy theory, arguing that workers (or at least white ones) were too heavily absorbed into capitalist society and were unlikely to revolt. So they proposed that organized prisoners and lumpenproletariat more generally would take on a vanguard role that would eventually draw in the broader masses of workers.

>>2900936
Id love to hear about such movements because i have a somewhat similar belief, that is, that emphasis should be put on the most avant-garde, radical elements in society, the ones that, due to their conditions, are the most opressed in a first world country and would naturally have the most to gain from bringing about communism. An elite, not in a sense of class or education but in their severe resentment of a system that wronged them. IE ex cons,low class homosexuals, transgender individuals, and generally peolple who the system deems undesirable, mostly people who are extreme in their hatred of the status quo for being wronged by it. They would be naturally receptive to an ideology that promises the restructuring of society that would eliminate their subhuman status and should be pretty loyal due to not having a future under the status quo.
These types, should be chosen for their readiness to act violently if needed. With some education and training, they could prove very valuable and a shared struggle would mend their differences to an acceptable level. This nucleus could then, through a agressive campaign, slowly draw the general proleteriat into a broader movement.
I might be an absolute anarkkkiddie and a theorylet for even thinking this could work, but damn if it wouldn't be cool as hell.

>>2900936
the problem with that is the prisoners are literally slaves stuck in series of geographically isolated panopticons. no spartacus like uprising is possible when the slaves are in a jail. you would need a bunch of simultaneous successful prison breaks from max security facilities. statistically unlikely. also mixed in with the nonviolent workers who were imprisoned for no good reason are genuine opportunists, class traitors, psychopaths, etc. you are unlikely to develop a healthy and lasting political coalition out of that mixture.

How do people here feel about forgiveness?
Is it weak and submissive to turn the other cheek, or is it strong to be able to extinguish the desire for revenge? Jesus says to give a thief your own coat - evil is injustly rewarded by lack of immediate punishment. This is the ethos of slaves and cowards to all sensible persons, no? Forgiveness can come afterwards, but never straight away.

The theological rationale of forgiveness is in the universality of sin, which thus makes no man better than another. Thus, Jesus says to not execute the adulteress so that she may repent. This is expressed today in the methods of rehabilitation; the redemption of souls. In older Catholic executions, the souls of criminals would be forgiven before their mortal bodies were destroyed. The forgiveness of sin was administered spiritually, but not materially. Of course, this conflicts with the Judgement of God - indeed, souls are destroyed in the Lake of Fire by their sin (the idea of a punishing afterlife in Tartarus going back to at least Plato). Here, there is no forgiveness, but a payment of debts. So, even if man forgives, God may not, making man more of a merciful spirit than God. The promise of Hell for the wicked paired with the forgiveness of ignorance (e.g. "forgive them… for they know not what they do") is certainly paradoxical, if not contradictory. So, is forgiveness really true, if sin still remains? As we see with the thief on the cross, forgiveness is granted by permission of God, despite one's sins in life. This is the "death-bed conversion" so notorious of criminal repentance, like Jeffrey Dahmer. In any case, sin is not erased, but passed on down the line - and this is the issue. Where mere man is asked to forgive his rapist and murderer, what sense can be in this? Beyond all passion is still the light of reason. Why is my forgiveness of evil more primary than the evil act itself? I reject this. I need justice.

>you have beaten me, raped me, murdered me - and now I love you
This is the psychological sickness of forgiveness. It is more than simple servility; it is the creed of slavery by an attitude of inferiority.

>>2900895
I think it's desirable to have some kind of avenue to forgiveness. A summary of a book I one read in a Slate Star Codex post (no, really) got to me on this.

From memory the story is basically as follows: There are two twin brothers, an unpopular one and a popular one. The popular one shows up in town and says that he and the unpopular one had a fight, and he killed his brother in self defence. Everyone naturally understands that this is forgivable, except the priest who says it will only be forgiven if he reflects on it, undertakes penance, is truly sorry, and so on. The townspeople think the priest is being old fashioned and too harsh, after all it was a good man engaged in self defence!

Then it turns out that it was actually the unpopular brother who killed the popular brother in self defence and came back to the town, not the popular one. He lied about his identity. Now the population is outraged: this is unforgivable! he killed a good man!
But the priest says: nope, forgivable, provided he reflects on it, undertakes penance, is truly sorry, and so on. Justice isn't a popularity contest and god doesn't discriminate.

Anyway I've probably butchered the story but the point that sticks with me is that there's no similar formal avenue of forgiveness today. You can't go to a priest and go "tell me what to do to show everyone that I'm truly sorry and repentant" and then have the priest stick up for you. All social crimes are either totally forgivable, totally unforgivable, or in an unstable position where they can be ignored most of the time but hauled out to shut you up if need-be. If there was some kind of accepted avenue towards conditional forgiveness, things would probably be a lot better.

>>2900923
Well, we set "penalties" against criminals, which if it they are paid, we say that they are forgiven (e.g. A "purgatory"; of "purging" impurities by a trial). Forgiveness in this case is the paying of debt (hence we call crimes "debts to society"). No one denies that forgiveness is possible - in time, but when Jesus says to offer your thief your coat willingly, he is effectively saying that forgiveness is unconditional, through taking on the debt yourself. Jesus thus takes on everyone's sin, leaving each to be sinless (if they would repent). So, the Christian is supposed to allow evil to overcome them by faith, and this we call "martyrdom". For example, Anabaptists are pacifists, and so you can murder them and they cannot defend themselves. When I see forgiveness of this kind, I see a willingness to be conquered, which I regard as undignified. Even if you will let yourself be victimised, at least defend others. So, I do not think forgiveness is impossible, but all crimes must carry a penalty.

>>2900653
maybe it's more like this… hmm..

it literally has nothing to do with feudalism i dont even get the train of thought

>>2900683
"Serfdom was abolished!" I scream as I'm herded into Elon Musk's epic bacon sauce kingdom.

>>2900655
trvth nvke

>>2900346
Feudalism is the default stage of proprietarian human development (if there is property, there is feudalism (not a bordigafag, but this is the trvth)). When slavery fails (slavery is primitive capitalism), it reverts to feudalism, when capitalism fails it reverts to feudalism, when feudalism fails, it devolves into capitalism, when socialism fails, it devolves into capitalism, which upon failure reverts to feudalism. Feudalism existed even before antiquity. It just had a different name
>feudalism
<subjection
>fiefdom
<satrapy
>fee
<tribute
>Sovereign
<King, Despot, Satrap etc.
and so on.
Communism is esoteric feudalism because it concentrates everything into the hands of the sovereign (the politburo), it creates a relationship of loyalty between the citizens and the church (the party), you could not freely move in-out or inside AES countries permanently (tied to one's land), there was excessive social surplus generated for the use by the sovereign, there was heightened sense of community (ideological) and so on. Even the collective farm system was similar to feudalism where above the fee quota, you traded on actual free markets. Lastly socialism was brought down by the soviet merchant guild in exactly the same way that the medieval merchant guild brought down feudalism because they wanted unrestricted property claims. It did not fail organically like is said in the westoid academic media (bla bla people got tired and overthrew bla bla), the merchants corrupted the sovereign into destroying the order of things so they could become the new aristocracy (the oligarchy).

>>2900350
>former q-tard
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>>2899264
You do realize americans go to jail for importing chinese electric vehicles, solar panels, wifi modems and countless other high tech goods right? Treats that mexicans and canadians can freely import and consume?

>>2899323
Praise China, the toy maker!

We need an baker

>>2899264
Chinese model being export driven is the biggest lie capitalist propaganda feeds us. We can see all those other export oriented economies, and they NEVER grow up to stand on their own two feet, and they've been living in export-driven economies for the past 2 centuries

Pray for China.

>>2900832
see also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swULKfLQ9t0&pp=ygUTczRhIGNoaW5hIG5iIHR1cm5lcg%3D%3D

and following episodes

>>2900832
>in violation of United Nations sanctions
Oh no, anyway

Hoxhaist hands typed this

>>2900832
hello mossad

>>2900841
in violation of international maritime law retard. not sanctions. you cant fish in territorial waters of other nations. Same way you cant appropriate natural resources that aren't part of your nation. nothing
prevents china fishing in its own waters

>>2900847
hello friend, please send us those Chinese cameras for our checkpoints. the palestinians are getting uppity

>>2900786
Rosa didn't support the revolution until you started massacring workers, subhuman animal lapdog.

>>2900800
You seem to be under the misapprehension that 107 year old Germans post on leftypol.org

>>2900800
<you
He knows. Shut it down.

>>2899842
Shut up it was super obvious

>>2900220
Kill yourself

>>2900220
explain it anyway

for me it was the opposite, violence - real violence - was normalized for me as a kid and it wasn't until well into adulthood that i learned that it was not a normal thing for most of society. i get the feeling that a lot of the people who most vocally endorse violence are the people who have never really been exposed to it, all they've ever seen is videogame or movie violence or shock content on the internet, not actual traumatizing real life violence that screws you up in the head forever when you see it.