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From my understanding, Marx's philosophical theory was essentially the dialectical method except applied to history and society. To me, it seemed like it could be broadly summarized as :
>Society determines men's consciousness
>This creates class antagonisms and conflicting interests amongst them
>Over time, contradictions between them are overcomed by changing the structure of society, which produced these classes
>Communism is the movement which abolishes class, thus ending structural contradictions within society


However, I don't see where alienation comes in all of this. To me, the antagonisms between class and the desire to overcome contradictions was mainly in regards to each class' own interest. The bourgeoisie benefitted from capitalism, and so aimed at keeping it, whilst the proletariat endured it and in turn had different motivations. My understanding of alienation is essentially that it is the impossibility for men to fulfill their social and creative potential. This twists the dialectic from class conflict to merely satisfaction of one own's potential. It seems like capitalism or class structure isn't inherently at fault in this way, but more so how it is performed.
So, from my understanding, it looks like alienation can either be replaced in Marx's "mature" dialectic by treating it merely as one of the many motivations for the proletariat to overcome capitalism. Or, on the other side, that it treats the economic crisis and misery produced by capitalism as only alienating factors which are added ontop of the pre-existing alienations.
I think that fundamentally this might go at odds with how I percieve's Marx's works. Imo, Marx is mainly a social critique who performs a sociological and economical assessment of society to posit the sources for its conflicts, and its potential future. This concept of alienation seems very much hegelian and much more philosophical, and incurs some form of moralist and idealist critique in Marx's otherwise "scientific" work. Thoughts ?

<inb4 read the manuscripts

I have, and they didn't answer my questions.
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>>2687034
>is just a way of presenting ideas
yeah, a methodical one, retard

marxism will never recover from the fact that anglospeak has no accurate translation for Wissenschaft

The concept of alienation, for better or worse is one of the best concepts devised by Marx. It has materialized in recent times in such a way, modern philosophers like Chul Han, have to try and not sound like Marx.

>>2687414
>i am more hegelian than marxist
many such cases in this website




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<neoliberalism
any and all materialists must acknowledge that we exist in the neoliberal epoch, one unlike any other capitalist epoch. the biggest difference is that it has been intentionally manufactured to destroy class politics in everyway and it succeeded. via attacks on home ownership, community belonging, social atomisation, post fordism & gig economy, well fare it destroyed the ability for the left and even right to coherently organise and left them to embrace pseudo simulcra politics of liberalism (woke) vs conservatvism (nothing lol). in the third world where traditional manufacturing is still persued, an all ecompassing and brutal surveillance state made successful revolutionary politics impossible.

<death-agony, current and coming

but neoliberalism has entered its death agony stage. its contradictions (need to global elite agreement, invisible imports hard carrying western economies, ect) have caught up and the ideological, moralistic and pragmatic defences for the liberal international order and neoliberalism have already gone Dodo, all we wait for is the first piston in the globalist economy to collapse and this will cause a critical meltdown across the globe and with it the end of everything, the cathedral, human rights, capitalist realism, the spectacle and more. its impossible to tell when this will occur. i predicted it would be the coming right populist surge and then the mass dissillusionment which would follow, but the epstein files might cause it even sooner.

<Return of Vitality and Horror

with neoliberalism's death, we will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics. we will likely see a years of lead across the whole of eurasia, south americas and africa but not US or PRC. there will be far more riots, counter culture & demagogues arising from the formly 1dimenional workers. the 60s and interwar periods will be nothing the bumbling marches to the bloodshed to come and we shall see the earth be hurtled to utopia and despair one day after the next. total global meltdown. is your ideology prepared for the sudden influx of work? can you make one that can?
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>>2687350
nice filename

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>>2687350
>I disagree that there is some new stage of neoliberalism
i didnt say it was unless you count viewing the present, recent past & future as the twilight years of NeoL being tantamount to saying we're in a different phase. i believe we'll enter a new phase of capitalism and the true return of class politics. either way what you said isnt contrary to anything i believe or stated imo.
>>2687411
>>2687452
>prole has been absolutely brainfucked
>You have to not just think that the masses are hopeless
bro, remember our epoch, its impossible for them to be anything but at the moment. its why i empheize that we will see a great return of spirit when its ends for better and much worse. we will see many nostalgic for the saftey and conformity of the NeoL age
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>>2687339
didnt state clearly in OP but imo its entirely possible the meltdown will be the next year or at least within the next 7 or such. no way NeoL limps to the 40s or even late 30s

>>2687082
>with neoliberalism's death, we will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics.

Oddly conservative prediction. You'd think there'd be something new and strange. May as well predict the return of monarchy like the tech-fedualist crowd.

>next stage
You're thinking with a stagest mindset and that's fundamentally flawed. History does not progress in stages.

>neoliberalism is unlike any other capitalist epoch

No. Its very much like the liberalism of the 19th century. Hence the 'neo' part. Sure, some things are different, but the bedrock of neoliberalism is a revival of classical liberal ideas from well over a century ago.

>critical meltdown across the globe and with it the end of everything

Neoliberalism is not in its death stage. Neoliberalism is a lot more fluid and flexible system for Marxist theory to adequately understand it. People have made claims about global collapse before, but that hasn't happened. They underestimated how flexible it is.

>will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics. we will likely see a years of lead across the whole of eurasia, south americas and africa but not US or PRC. there will be far more riots, counter culture & demagogues arising from the formly 1dimenional workers

With the internet and social media what we in fact see is a standardization of politics at the global level. Once there were competing political ideologies (communism, neoliberalism, Islamism) today they've all been streamlined into one current. Left and right are now just political identities, tribes or franchises that barely disagree in any meaningful way. People don't form politics on the basis of class identity, but cultural identity and idpol. Class struggle is redundant. The left is extremely reactionary and obsessed with restoring pre-neolib social democracy and the right are equally reactionary. Standardization of culture means that there is no real counterculture anymore. People play acting at it but nothing beyond that. I'd say that the explosion of jihadism in the 2000s was the last real counterculture to exist. People riot but they don't have any alternate vision. They riot to protect the system and just like jihadis, the existence of rioters entrenches the system by justifying further security and mass surveillance.

>>2687082
The next phase of capitalism is so called "phase D" as described by engels in anti duhring. I suggest you read that.



 

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>>2687741
im tired boss

>>2681552
>“Her whole goal is to try and wait out Trump.”
delcybros, will you guys trust the plan?

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>Airlines are scaling back or suspending service to Cuba after the government warned that aviation fuel will be unavailable at the country’s airports for at least one month.

>The advisory, effective through March 11, applies nationwide—including Havana, Varadero, Santa Clara, Holguin, Santiago de Cuba and Cayo Coco—and has triggered a wave of flight suspensions and contingency measures, particularly among Canadian carriers that dominate the island’s leisure market.


>Air Canada has suspended all service to Cuba effective immediately, citing expectations that “as of Feb. 10 aviation fuel will not be commercially available at the island’s airports.” The airline will operate empty southbound ferry flights over the coming days to repatriate approximately 3,000 travelers currently in Cuba.


>“Air Canada’s immediate priority is to return customers already in Cuba to Canada,” the carrier says, adding that it will tanker additional fuel on remaining operations and make technical stops as needed on the return leg.


https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airports-networks/airlines-cut-cuba-services-due-fuel-crisis

The US has banned Russia from participating in deals involving Venezuelan oil

On February 10, the US Department of the Treasury issued a license to Venezuelan companies for oil operations, which prohibits any transactions involving individuals and companies from Russia, Iran, North Korea, and Cuba. The document was published by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC).

The ban applies to individuals and legal entities registered in these countries, as well as entities that are under their direct or indirect control or are joint ventures involving them. The license also blocks transactions with legal entities from Venezuela and the US that are directly or indirectly owned or controlled by entities from China, or are joint ventures involving the PRC.

The license gives American businesses the right to conduct oil and gas activities in Venezuela, allowing them to explore, develop, and extract raw materials. The permit covers related infrastructure and services, including financial transactions, logistics (including freight and ship insurance), and port services.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/8420968?tg

>>2687741
I swear to god the Pro Delcy fags should get a special "retard" flag forced upon them.
What level of 6D delcy level chess is this shit?
Remember how fucking smug Delcy fags were here a few weeks back? lmao.



 

How exactly do we successfully fight against and reverse Gen Alpha brainrot?

https://youtube.com/shorts/h2i3cGyzNKo

This stuff is becoming alarming. When I was a little kid in the 90s I would watch stuff that had actual substance to it (think: Disney renaissance, Don Bluth films, TV shows like Arthur). Plus our parents made an effort to read to us and get us looking at science books and history books for kids. When I babysit my neighbours’ kids who are eight and six (both boys) I’m horrified by how stupid they are. They can’t read at all. They can’t play musical instruments. They don’t do arts and crafts. They have the vocabularies of preschool-aged kids. They can’t do math and the eight-year old asks me to do his math homework for him. Both of them are either glued to their iPads or glued to watching YouTube on TV. It’s sad as hell. What do?
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zeitgeist of intelligence has left the left I see in the thread . You comrades are discussing how to prevent brain rot like the reactionaries you are instead of weaponizing it . It’s a dialectical issue think like that . Lenin talks about this in emperico criticism. the contradiction must get to a point and get worse and then something new is bot . The brain rot is the incubator of the future

>>2680752
So, accelerationism?

>>2680715
Have you even lived if you haven't been molested at least once?


>>2688286
I would of watched the video but this chick seems so irritating I just couldn't. Cruises sound like shit why do I want to be stuck with thousands of others in the middle of the ocean. Disney is alright I guess I never really had strong opinions of them.



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Heroes of leftypol.

Also,

>make pedophiles afraid again

FUCK Donald J. Trump. Fuck Israel. Fuck the healthcare cartels. Leftypol does much a better job at it, don't you thunk?
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>>2688147
Another one.

>>2688121
Received. Operation commencing.


>>2688198
Antifa supersoldiers activated



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Take the Epstein pill 💊: Chumpsky was glowiemaxxing and got gigamogged by Parentichads. Every time he attacked AES it was all just cope to keep theorylets bluepilled. For real, I can't believe normies were beta orbitting this liberalcel. SocDem betabuxers felt for it again and got autism scoremogged by tankiecels one more time. Clownworld 🤡🌍
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>>2687773
there is a new option on X where you can let grok rephrase your tweets in a certain style.

>>2687924
Oh so some jokester did this and posted it here as if it was actually Blumenthal

>>2688110
nope this actually is Max tweet

>AES
forced meme

>'leftcom' troll
glowop



 

Is there an inherent spiritual element to Marxist values? If you look at history you will notice that despite religious restrictions, the most diehard supporters of Marxism were religious at some point or even stayed religious afterwards.

Likewise, many spiritual traditionalist philosophers in today recognize that Marxism has "esoteric" and "spiritual" themes. And that is true even more for the Bolshevik revolution and Bolshevism.

What do you think, why is this?
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>>2688050
you can explain it in a materialist basis, that is to say it was the result of a petty bourgeois idealism emerging in the early 20th century that was then quenched with discontent and forced into reality

>>2688056
>bro ideologies can't triumph as a natural element of historical development
idiot

>>2688068
>he isn't because while he is inspired by it and makes comments supportive of its former fighters, he himself is ultimately just a modern fascist
this

>>2688073
i should clarify what i meant by this is that in a way he reaches the same fundamental conclusions as the old fascists did, but in a very different context, divorced from most of the historical developments that created fascism, instead imbued with newer ideas and a modern form of anti-western anti-intellectualism present since the perestroika era with things like new chronology and whatnot

>>2688076
yeah i dont disagree with that.



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why cant the left meet the moment for new theories ?? theirs absolutely no revolutionary theory on the left. just endless history discussion . you all look back when you should look foreword
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>>2687357
More big titties.

Yes there is revolutionary theory! Marxism is a science that is always being updated. That is what Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is.

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>>2687425
>marxism is science

>>2687396
This seems pretty accurate for the first world. Hopefully enough of group one and two will will decide they actually need to do something about the world once they start losing their treats

>>2687425
>Marxism-Leninism-Maoism
actually spat out my drink lmfao none of that garbage is scientific or a scientific argument or presentation

>>2687426
memer doesnt even understand what scientific socialism entails



 

Can we talk about the new revelations about Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Epstein?

>The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November by US lawmakers.


>Such comments from Chomsky, or attributed to him, suggest his association with Epstein – who officials concluded killed himself in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges – went deeper than the occasional political and academic discussions the former had previously claimed to have with the latter.


>Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.


>The emails disclosed on 12 November by the Republican members of the US House oversight committee generally detailed the correspondence Epstein had with political, academic and business luminaries, including the Bill Clinton White House’s treasury secretary Larry Summers and Steve Bannon, the longtime ally of Donald Trump. Further, they reveal Epstein and Chomsky were close enough to discuss musical interests and even potential vacations.


>Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related documents in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/22/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-ties-emails

A couple of things:
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>>2687407
>what sane person converts to Judaism?
Tim Watley did for the jokes.

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>>2687430
You joke but this is kind of true. Bernie was the diet version of socialist (social democracy) while Chomsky was the diet version of anarchist (khmer rouge thought) and they were significant as representatives of both of those things to the broader population. You don't need to be super precise all the time just to criticize the sort of movements or ideological strains they spawned. I wouldn't necessarily consider a dsa berniebro to be an avthentic red marxist patriot but I wouldn't really care if someone like that calls himself a socialist or gets called a socialist by someone criticizing that movement.

>>2687443
Imagine getting written out of your dad's will at the suggestion of Epstein lol. No wonder his wifey loved this guy

>>2687407
>Like seriously, what sane person converts to Judaism?
either a weird protestant background due to US missionaries in brazil or maybe a weird catholic who found converting to judaism edgy and rebellious



 

has pseudo-scientific bourgeois empiricism produced anything so reductive, so psychopathic, so unhinged, so race-to-the-bottom as "Game Theory," which was literally invented to justify pre-emptive nuclear strikes against the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
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>>2687778
>Game theory is empiricist
this anon isn't familiar with the type of anon who uses "empiricist" as a synonym for "bourgeois, bad" while using it to be the opposite of "dialectical" which they use as a synonym for "proletarian, good"

>>2687778
I thought game theory was developed by a literal schizo that repudiated it once he got medicated

freddy fazbear murder theory strike me as idealist

>>2687822
the opposite of dialectical is eclectic btw

>>2687681
>life isn't a zero sum game
Didn't watch the video, but positive-sum games were already in Morgenstern and Neumann's foundational text: You can just model a zero-sum game and introduce a dummy player that gets looted by the others.
>>2687778
>rationalist strain of theorizing
Yeah OP just has a meme understanding of philosophy so he doesn't know that empiricist and rationalist refers to two camps in philosophy, with the rationalists often being religious. He probably means something like "smug liberal racist atheist on reddit".
>idealizations that may be so reductive that it doesn't actually capture the complexity
You can say that about the intro texts for just about anything. Game theorists also deal with people having cognitive limits, but that comes later.



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