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marx loved europe, european progress, 18th century liberalism, capitalism, and believed only through that high point of civilizational evolution communism can be achieved.
it's easy to understand then why marx approved of european colonialism as marxist, taking hunter-gatherer groups into capitalist societies was a progressive act.
so then, where did this "europe bad, pre-colonial societies good" nu left come from? is it not reactionary?
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thats not even what anti colonial sentiment is about and no in the 21st century imperialism and colonialism isn't progressive retard

>so then, where did this "europe bad, pre-colonial societies good" nu left come from?

there's always been very vocal opposition to the eurocentric imperial world order, you just never heard it until more recently because there was no internet and there was no international dialogue beyond the eurocentric dialogue between intellectuals operating in mainstream western society. critics of eurocentrism were generally found in underground activist movements operating in the margins of western society like black activists or chicano activists in the united states, or they were revolutionary movements operating in the global south such as the various revolutionary movements in latin america or the viet cong in south vietnam, and all of these people were treated as enemies by western society. their ideas were not published and disseminated by any mainstream media, what little that average people in western society knew about them came from state propaganda painting them as violent dangerous terrorist bogeymen who want to destroy the world and their way of life, information was tightly controlled until the latter era of the internet when these kinds of people finally had some means of participating in international discourse.

>>2874211
Critics of euro centrism were swepted up into the history dustbin because europe had overwhelming economic, military and cultural advantadge over the rest of the world. The nations who fought back colonialism actually westernized to do so. And meanwhile the intellectual criticism against euro centrism comes for a good part from… western universities

>>2874211
It goes as far back as the Baku Congress (of which Bordiga upheld btw) and the issue is one of the most effective lenses to read a pseud/glowie from a Marxist, except for when they do the opposite grift (degrowth).

I.e. that we will throw US Patsocs, the DSA, Nick Fuentes and the 'From Alpha to Omega' podcasters (when they visit to scoff at homeless people) down the same mine shaft; and that should come as little surprise.

sage.



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Why would the society described in Plato's Republic be undesirable according to a Marxist perspective? We know all the problems with democracy and how the masses of people can't be trusted. Plus the republic abolishes private property and calls for communal raising of children, which Marxists also support.

Being ruled by the wise is undoubtedly the best system of government. Philosopher kings are chads, and what better system than to be ruled by chads?

The Republic is the defining work of all western political philosophy so it should be natural that we turn to it.

>Why would the society described in Plato's Republic be undesirable according to a Marxist perspective?
Who said it was undesirable?
But the problem with such governance is it will naturally drift toward gerontocracy due to modern medecine.

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>>2874029
The decay of order is also a theme in Plato. Stalin also writes upon how all "organic" movements have life cycles of youth and death.
>>2874016
>Why would the society described in Plato's Republic be undesirable
Well, I suppose it depends-
>according to a Marxist perspective?
Did you read the text? Plato's Noble Lies are literally (i) Religion and (ii) Class Society [e.g. the Myth of Metals].
>We know all the problems with democracy and how the masses of people can't be trusted
But Plato's primary political criticism is really that the elites become perverted by power and money, and so they must be decoupled by conditions of (i) intra-marriage, (ii) eugenics, (iii) shared property, (iv) austerity, etc.
>the republic abolishes private property and calls for communal raising of children
No it doesn't. Shared property only extends to the Guardian caste of 'philosopher-kings' [e.g. Warrior Priests]. The division of labour in the lower orders presupposes private property and commerce.
>Being ruled by the wise is undoubtedly the best system of government
Yes, but Marxism is not about systems of government.

Plato is UTOPIAN SOCIALIST, ANTI-USURY.

marxism isn't about what's desirable or undesirable it's about what develops as part of how the laws of society move



 

The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.

>What is the difference between:

>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?

Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.

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>lib vs lib vs lib
We don't need more liberal revolutions

>>2874089
Go back to your national-anarchist hugbox you unfunny epsteinchan-derivative pseud: http://bordiga.party

>>2874004
bro what a weird ass thing to say
>you're a victim of a heinous crime!!!!!
how is that a gotcha to anyone but a reactionary slime mold

>>2874002
>>2874031
thank you for the replies to this question. I will ponder them now but don't have much to say back except thank you. I just want you to know I have received and read them.

>>2874164 stop moralfagging on leftypol



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Why are Western bourg so incredibly invested in protecting Israel? At some point it’s hard for me to believe they have this much to gain from protecting this tiny sliver of land. What the fuck is going on?
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Welcome to Aggieland!

>>2870927
Yes, you see the same in how elites defended Epstein, MJ, Polanski, Weinstein etc for decades. They literally think that if rich people get held to any account, it's basically opening the doors to a Communist uprising. Only under unique circumstances do elites ever throw eachother under the bus.
The elite are very class conscious and have class solidarity.

>>2840794
Ayn Rand, Milton friedman, Mises, David Ricardo, Rothbard were jewish. (the Arquitects of the Capitalist Dystopia we live today)

Overlapping interests of the various sections of the haute bourgeoisie. Some of whom are indeed Zionist ethnonationalists or white Christian shabbos goyim. Others are driven by a desire to see the Middle East dominated for American interests to which Israel is in fact a vehicle for that. The MIC of course, sees Israel as a major customer for their wunderwaffen. Even amongst the supposed "ideological" supporters of Israel, many are simply bought off by Israeli agents such as AIPAC. Take comfort in the fact that many of these supposed "jewish conspirators" do not actually desire Communism despite what fascists tell you. As >>2871799 said. The ideological architects of our neoliberal anti-human hellscape are in fact Jewish Zionists.

>>2871815
Yeah but Israel doesn’t actually buy weapons the us just gives it to them



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Which is actually the best of the communist parties in the US of A. i will list them by their tendency. They will be shorten to "LPO" in the poll

https://strawpoll.com/PKgleQKeoZp

>Marxist-Leninist

(APL) American Party of Labor
(PSL) Party for Socialism and Liberation
(WWP) Workers world party
(FRSO) Freedom Road Socialist Organization

>Socialism with "American" characteristics

(ACP) American Communist Party
(CPUSA) Communist Party USA

>Maoist

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>>2873495
RCPUSA are Bob Avakian’s cult, RCA are the trots descended from Alan Woods (In Defense of Marxism, International Marxist Tendency)

>>2872646
(CPI) Center for Political Innovation [Innovationist]

Uppppppp

Wheres the butthole penis party

>>2873659
>PCUSA
this is the party Dankey switch to for a while. but I think he's since given up on it



 

The far-right settler nationalists justify themselves with the idea that they're fighting the new nazis while at the same time embracing the same form of blood and soil militarism
"anti-hitlerian fascism" isn't exactly hard to comprehend, but what I find confusing is that the far rightists in israel see no issue with collaboration with white nationalist groups
I can only assume this has to do with some kind of anti-arab unity sort of thing?
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>>2873647
What's false about it

>>2873196
the israel/ukraine relationship is more than a shared love of fascism: the ancient tribes of israel bought ukrainian mail order brides to try to fix problems caused by their horrific practices of inbreeding.

they still have religious holidays that involve trips to ukraine, and they still buy ukrainian mail order brides. every so often it makes the news, usually because once the women arrive they start beating them (51% DV rate) but more lately to congratulate themselves for saving them from the war (like domestic slavery in israel is better).

>>2873740
anti-Christ thought

>>2873586
Did they say anything explicitly fascist?

>>2873196
are you mentally retarded? the azov battlion is led by jews. and the nazi symbolism they use, is to trick retards into dying for them. that is why they are called 'kosher' nazis. swear you guys on here, like to be intelluectually dishonest or are retarded -100 autism score



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do you guys think there'll be any marxist school shoooter/terror cell types in the future with the doctrine being more popular amongst genz? or do all maxists know that lone wolf attacks are retarded
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>>2873745 this was so hecking scary,,, never put this image again,,, hope this helps

You can’t get famous doing a mass shooting anymore, which is the goal, you have to kill a CEO or Trump or something

>>2873742
There was one in Quebec recently but he was an incel, doesn't count

>>2873745
HOLY FUCK HE's BRItitsh!!!!

>>2873745
she would get it



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Mahmoud Amin Ya’qub Al-Muhtadi, 33 a DFLP/NRB militant, joined the Oct. 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel near Kibbutz Kfar Aza (site of a massacre that killed Americans). He lied about his terrorist ties on his U.S. visa application, entered the country in Sept. 2024, and has now been arrested by federal authorities as part of JTF 10-7’s efforts to prosecute Oct. 7 perpetrators.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gaza-man-arrested-alleged-involvement-october-7-2023-terrorist-attacks
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>>2872880
king shit

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>>2872880
>site of a massacre that killed Americans
What kind of Americans?

>>2872880
>>2873704
Anyways loldog, I stand with my Muslim Americans exterminating as many of our Israeli Americans as they can. Godbless and godspeed. You can't hide behind "American" because you are not, you are the most subversive little parasites to ever hit this country.

Israel still isn't being punished.

Did this retard really go to the US? Might as well move to Tel-Aviv.



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>die fascist dog
Heard that before. screech moar
>I don't care for your ebin debate
I'm not here to debate, I just want to hear other perspectives

Whenever I look at the Ideological line between myself and lefties, I often find more common ground with socialists than I do with fellow Right-wingers.

>I believe Capital is actively destroying countries all around the world in order to enrich itself. the first order of business for ANY sensible movement should be to crush and subjugate the capital class.

>I fucking hate rural areas and rural life. I was born in a city, raised in a city, And I'm living in a city until the day I die. cities are vibrant, Alive, and the engines of civilizational growth
>I don't care for some abstract concept of a past to Retvrn to. Yes, I love the culture of my country and I absolutely adore its traditions, I believe it's my responsibility to continue them. But There is no way in fucking hell I'd want to marry my sister like ancient Persians did.
>I love technology. I love Modernity. I love our current way of life. I'd rather have my job right now than to be some wheat farmer in the mountains. I love modern fashion and aesthetics. Yes, some elements from the past should probably be woven into modern design to enrich it and keep the aesthetics away from looking like americanslop aesthetics, But progress should be maintained.
>Idc about the gays and the transhumanists if anything they're a sign of social progress.
>I support abortion for the first three months/when the mother's life is in danger
>I believe women are an important part of the job market and they can contribute significantly more to their country when they're given equal opportunities.
>I support cultural and social progress.
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>>2872743
<call Germanics snowuyghurs
>U r heckin nazi

>>2873326
Imagine how it feels to be the butt of every joke inbetween whitoids.

>>2873326
> i used le hecking funny word i cannot be le nazi

>>2872506
Tech isn't static and owned considering once created people will adopt and copy it regardless of its origins due to humans being a social and an adaptive species. I'm glad though that white nationalists are outing themselves as Ayn Randtards considering how feckless and philosemitic they are.

>>2872653
i don't care about the context because I am not the retard you were replying to. you are both retarded.



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https://www.bannedthought.net/Sweden/MF/2022/Gonzaloism-ALeftRevisionistDeviation-Berg-3rdEd-2022-OCR.pdf

I will give a quick response to this article based on the points it makes.

>Jefatura

I actually don't agree with Jefatura and I believe in Collective Leadership, so I will not dispute the article about this.

>Universality of Protracted Peoples War & Militarization of the Party

I strongly disagree with the article on this. It cites Mao a lot but the point is that the period where PPW is universal is a new development. It's just dogmatism to say that because a development of a theory had not been done at the time a thinker was alive, that thinker would not have supported the development. The article's point that it is "petit-bourgeois" since in China it was based on a broad alliance of the people is silly, in urban situations it is assumed the people mean the working class, lumpens and progressive PBs.

It's all well and good to support this "October Road", but this hasn't realistically been a thing in like a hundred hears. It's just dogmatism to old ways to try and do what has only lead to stagnation and revisionism for the last 70-80 years.

PPW is universal (can be used in Urban and Rural, 1st world and 3rd world) and every party should be ready for war. It's actually especially applicable to the 1st world since the intelligence apparatus will destroy any peaceful and legal party. Everyone knows revisionism is a constant fight, and its one they only have to win once while we have to win every time. The subjective situation is that revolution could be any day (even if you don't agree with PPW) and not being organised as an army just means you will miss that. The objective situation is good for revolution. The article says what is proven is what is correct. Well, PPW is the only realistic and provable way for revolution in the 1st and 3rd world. The October Road is a fantasy in modern day 1st world countries.

I have other points but doing work at the moment.
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Out of curiosity, do any biological women use this website, lol.

>>2873499
What are you seething about, exactly?

>>2873729
Sir, HRT changes your biology.

>>2873729
>Out of curiosity, do any biological women use this website, lol.
They're sure as fuck not going to tell you, anon.

>>2873499
Im not encouraging shit, I just said its based because it is



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