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Marxism is not about vibes, justice, or who feels bad. It is about material development. Any attempt to condemn American imperialism primarily on moral grounds is liberal humanism, and therefore idealism. Despite the moral indignation likely to follow this post, let me explain.

As is well known, of all the things Karl Marx was, an idealist he was not. Nor was he a moralist. He did not frame his analysis of social phenomena—however fraught—in terms of ethical condemnation or approval. Even when discussing subjects as uncomfortable as prostitution, Marx was concerned with material conditions, not moral outrage. One can only imagine his incredulity at seeing self-described “Marxists” today reverting to liberal moral language when confronted with elite scandal, mistaking denunciation for analysis.

Naturally, as a man of his time, Marx was not immune to contemporary prejudices. This is neither here nor there. What matters is that his method rejected moral evaluation as the driver of history.
Unlike Whig historians, Marx understood history as neither moral nor immoral, but amoral. Accordingly, he described phenomena such as the destruction of Indigenous societies in the Americas, the expansion of European colonialism, British rule in India, and even slavery in ancient Greece as progressive—not in an ethical sense, but insofar as they advanced productive forces and dissolved pre-existing social relations. In the Greek case, slavery marked the transition from tribal organization to the polis. In the colonial case, capitalism shattered stagnant forms of production. For Marx, European colonialism represented a double mission: destructive, certainly, but historically necessary.

It is with this framework in mind that one can argue—without moral embellishment—that Marx would have understood modern American imperialism as a progressive force. If historical progress is defined by the destruction of pre-capitalist social relations and the development of productive forces, then American imperialism is not merely progressive, but among the most effective such forces in history. Marx regarded capitalism itself as a violent yet necessary stage, since communism emerges through capitalism, not alongside or prior to it. To recoil from this conclusion by introducing moral exceptions is to abandon materialism in favor of sentimentality, a tendency unfortunately common in the contemporary Western left.
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>>2808465
This shit must be bait

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>1979 Islamic Revolution

The west is the reason that counter revolution exists howeverbeit

>>2808536
>They've been deindustrialize Europ
Not necessarily, Europe has become deindustrialized because the end of Euro colonialism, the aging of their population and China rising

>>2808544
As long as we don't call China socialist it's alright.

>>2808544
indeed it is, glory to chinese imperialism due to its progressive nature, and death to the american and russian imperialism!

I'm not reading all that slop, but the vibe I'm getting is that you've reinvented Kautskian ultraimperialism. this doesn't work, for reasons that Lenin lays out in Imperialism



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I was born in 1998, so 2001-2010 was basically my childhood. Gen Alpha kids don't even know what cartoons are - they just grow up on YouTube. As a Z kid (1996-2009) I can say Gen Alpha is cultureless. As a Zoomer I grew up on Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Billy & Mandy, Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends, Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, Duel Masters, Beyblade, Pokemon, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Code Lyoko, Invader Zim, and so on. I didn't discover YouTube until 2006, and even then, it was NOT on a smartphone! Everything is fucking woke now. I would hate to have a childhood growing up in this era (2011-present). I was 13 when popular culture started to suck.

What cartoons do they have for kids growing up now? Adventure Time, Gravity Falls or Rick & Morty at best. Woke garbage.
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>>2808106
1 episode of Tom & Jerry clears all those.

What does this have to do with marxism and the working class?

>>2808514
Cartoons are beloved by proletarians

>>2808514
It's political because it deals with popular culture in the cancer era (2011 onwards).

Moved to >>>/hobby/47633.



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>Russia is an oligarch controlled shithole so british workers aren't proles
Why are ziggoids like this?

>>2808533
No more oligarch controlled than the West, actually. You don't get to claim to have less corruption by legalizing it as lobbying, lol

>>2808530
>25% of brits having less than 200 punds saved
>60% of russians have some sort of savings
still means 15% more of russians compared to bongs do not have any savings at all

mean savings in bongland is 19 000 gbp which is almost exactly 1 900 000 rub. feel free to gloat when half of russians have more money saved

or at least 807 500 rub by ppp (potato purchasing parity)

19000/1.2*51




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Once the evidence of extreme abuse began surfacing in surprising numbers, the 'False Memory Syndrome Foundation' (FMSF) was set up to promote the theory that victims are suffering from a syndrome that creates false memories, often at the suggestion of psychotic parents or over-zealous psychiatrists.

The members of the FMSF have been called as expert witnesses in hundreds of trials around the United States and have been routinely quoted as experts in the media. Their mission has been exceptionally successful, as the 'false memory syndrome' has become accepted as a fact in most of the public consciousness. Unfortunately, people rarely stop to ask the question, who exactly are the members of the FMSF, and how solid is their science?

Peter J. Freyd initiated the founding of the FMSF after being accused of sexual abuse by his daughter, Jennifer. His behavior has been particularly suspect, such as accusing his daughter of being brain damaged, despite the fact that she holds a PhD in Psychology, graduated magna cum laude from Penn and is currently a tenured professor of psychology at the University of Oregon. Speaking to The Oregonian, Jennifer Freyd stated that “I’m sometimes flabbergasted that my memory is considered ‘false’ and my alcoholic father’s memory is considered rational and sane.”

Peter Freyd once stated that “With the help of Harold Lief and Martin Orne, the FMSF quickly gathered a respectable appearing advisory board, giving the new syndrome an aura of scientific acceptance.” Interestingly, Dr. Martin T. Orne has been heavily involved with MK-ULTRA experiments since the early '60s, where he undertook hypnosis studies at Harvard Medical School with a $30,000 grant from the CIA.

CIA documents have confirmed that Orne had a 'top secret' clearance in MK-ULTRA. He has published many papers relevant to the creation of a 'Manchurian candidate', including one called “Can a hypnotized subject be compelled to carry out otherwise unacceptable behavior?”, another called “The significance of unwitting cues for experimental outcomes: Toward a pragmatic approach”, and lastly “Restricted use of success cues in retrieval during post-hypnotic amnesia”.This is an interesting subject matter history given the FMSF's insistence that hypnotism is illegitimate.

Dr. Harold Lief was involved with brain electrode experiments at Tulane University, a notorious MK-ULTRA institution. Another prominent member, David Dinges, was a co-worPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2808294
Hey man you know this guy epstein

>>2808330
A lot of people block memories because of trauma you fool

>>2808435
so true, no one can ever just reproduce false memories

People here acting like fortune teller saying "that's bullshit" put of their ass reading some article. Is there a chance somebody in the history of the world created a false memory of abuse? Yes. Will YOU uyghas realize just by reading some testimony? Not with any semblance of certainty. Is there ritual child rape happening? YES and the whole Epstein shit is more than enough proof. Are there a lot of powerful people interested in covering that up? Yes. I remember out of the top of my head this israelite lady, the daughter of this powerful far right family (her Mama's in one of their houses of deputys or whatever the name is, shes a famous bitch) and she got found dead by this association with known ties with Epstein. The lumpenoligarchy is real and they do some fucked shup, i dont know what these anons showing so much skepticism are tryna do, but they should shut their lame ass mouths.

>>2808439
And they do some fucked up shit*



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On this day 81 years ago, Germany signed the surrender, marking the end of the bloodiest conflict in the history of mankind.

ITT we celebrate the victory of the USSR over Nazism

>>2807310
>bloodiest conflict in human history
what about tianamenen square genocide, THOUGH

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>>2807310
According to Wikipedia, it never happened.

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>>2807369
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_over_Nazism_in_World_War_II
>Victory Day over Nazism in World War II (Ukrainian: День перемоги над нацизмом у Другій світовій війні, romanized: Den peremohy nad natsyzmom u Druhii svitovii viini) was a national holiday and a non-working day in Ukraine from 2015 to 2023.

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>>2807372
Uh, it's called EUROPE(an union) DAY, chud.

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>>2808161
>>2807372
>>2807369
Historical revisionism.



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IT'S OFFICIAL: KRAUTS GIVE IN!!!
DAILY WORKER REPORTS "MASTER RACE THEORY SHATTERED, BUT WAR IS ONLY HALF OVER"
THE WAR IN EUROPE IS OVER
THE UNITED NATIONS HAS WON
GLORY TO THE PROLETARIAT
BETTER DAYS ARE AHEAD
THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT
JAPAN IS NEXT
WHAT NOW?

BEWARE OF ALL SUBVERSIVES, DAILY WORKER SAYS:
>The Hitlerites will not now be able to cripple men’s bodies, but they will not give up striving to poison men’s minds. They are plotting to undo our victory at the very moment we celebrate it.
REPORT HITLERITES!!!
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Looks like the little Soviet victory was made up.

You guys must be talking about the Ukrainian holiday that got cancelled in 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_over_Nazism_in_World_War_II
>Victory Day over Nazism in World War II (Ukrainian: День перемоги над нацизмом у Другій світовій війні, romanized: Den peremohy nad natsyzmom u Druhii svitovii viini) was a national holiday and a non-working day in Ukraine from 2015 to 2023.

ЗА ПОБЕДУ НАД ФАШИЗМОМ!

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>>2808346
Wrong thread for Belladonna posting



 

Israeli Abrahamics, if a theft of semen is stolen and spotted (a system foreign to the famous "Mordred" is used, the trap of the father or mother matching as hand gesture moved; "A Knight's tale"), will be conduced to hunt their own families by the proper Ismaelis; God's Chosen, Ismael, not God's Favorite, Isaac; the Polander Aryan Brotherhood (American History X, the foundation of the World War 2 National Socialist movement among others).

This is performed simply; the entire registry of patents is identified, and a child will be raised as a particular Catholic clergy's philosophy to target the enemy political alliance through necessity of most public trade relation; however through the non-Ismaeli parent having been a victim of anal sodomey from a male, male or female; the common tracker of "Arabic", the tell-tale signature of the enemy; not "Urdu", the language of any court in carpentry; Parochial school for an Islamic Catholic, not taught Lotus as a child due to parents equivocating in Hebrew linguistics at having placed someone in opiates confinement; the Roman, African, or Chinese Empires.

Let's go over the list of slain figures.

Samson (the women's lingerie, as the men's thong, for sword fighting).

Alexander the Great (the labor patent, as mass draft, per pensioner elder's children and family).

Scipio Africanus (the sugar reed market, a plantation, out of the sizes of the white man's versus black woman's buttocks, wealth and poverty out of the front gusset sitting fetish).

Jesus Christ (the paternity suit, as the Old Testament, the Bible in any copy; the fraud of self into New Testament, a post-arrest police family execution at declaration of self as Jordanian-Arab bride in men's gender).

John Wilkes Booth (the haberdasher's class, or other tailor, per contact by British intelligence forces to kill First Lady; hence the switch, contract hired, to the pay per grievance of contract; and if crossed, then both, otherwise, spouse switched either way).
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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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Cuba Deregulates Agricultural Trade to Fight Chronic Food Shortages

<Cuba is opening its agricultural distribution channels to private companies and producers in an effort to boost domestic production, as the nation currently imports more than 80% of its food. The government is relaxing longstanding regulations on the sale and distribution of agricultural and forestry products to reduce centralized state control and expand the private sector influence.


Breaking the State Monopoly

<The new regulations grant micro, small, and medium sized enterprises, cooperatives, self employed individuals, and landowners the direct right to distribute and sell agricultural products. This allows private operators to enter wholesale and retail markets without navigating the state owned intermediary Acopio, which has historically dominated the collection and distribution of crops. Under the updated rules, state procurement units will only receive products if the producer has not already secured an independent final buyer, effectively forcing the state to compete with private entities for the first time.


A Response to Productivity Failure

<This reform addresses a severe productivity crisis where, despite 79% of the country six million hectares being state owned, output continues to decline. Centralized inefficiency has led to massive waste; for instance, some cooperatives report losing up to 80% of their harvest because state processing plants lack the equipment to handle it or fail to collect it before it spoils. The move also attempts to solve distribution bottlenecks caused by a crippling fuel shortage exacerbated by the U.S. oil embargo by shifting logistics to private actors who may have more flexible means of importing fuel.


Decentralized Pricing and Market Distortions

<Management of food pricing is shifting toward decentralized contracting committees at the provincial and municipal levels, led by local governors and mayors. While these committees can now negotiate prices based on local production costs and supply, economist Pedro Monreal warns that the state still maintains final authority over price caps. This continued intervention risks distorting the mar
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>>2764503
avg Russians have a positive outlook on Cubans and Venezuelans as opposed to avg latams who turn into little hitlerites when confronted with either in public

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>>2808264
Ayo hol up, why are petty bourgs allowed to have restaurant business in Cuba, ML sisters??!

>>2808277
everyone knows Cuba is socdem, you need to manufacture more advanced bait on this issue

>>2808277
why do you shit up every thread?



 

Oskar Lange was a Polish economist who first theorized market socialism to respond to the Economic Calculation Problem.
The Austrian capitalist economists had theorized in the ECP that a socialist state could NOT account for scarcity without prices. The initial responses from socialists were that you could determine value by analyzing what people wanted and determining production in relation.
This prompted Hayek to say that centralizing information would be nigh impossible on a large-scale economy, creating the information problem. Hayek believed that prices aggregated information, and that the State would not be able to replicate them due to the sheer amount of information it would take.
In response, Lange theorized market socialism, a system where:

>state commission gives prices to company managers

>managers produce until price = marginal cost of production and have freedom to do so
>if shortages occur, the commission increases prices to increase production
>if overproduction occurs, the commission decreases prices to decrease production
This in theory should've made state planning much more efficient, as the state wouldn't micromanage the economy by assigning and supplying quotas of goods.

Although Lange's system was never fully implemented, Hungary did get close to it by establishing the NEM. The economy worked well at supplying goods relative to the eastern states, and consequently gave Hungary the nickname "Goulash Communism". However, it also prompted the State to subsidize prices by borrowing, which ultimately culminated in its debt crisis.
So, what does /leftypol/ think of Lange's market socialism?
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>>2807839
when marginal cost = price you're at maximum profit

the graph shows the relation between quantity and different cost curves

>>2807879
No, profit comes from surplus value. There's no surplus value if price of production = price set by the borad

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>>2808180
The break-even point is the sales volume where total revenues equal total costs, resulting in zero profit or loss. It is calculated by dividing total fixed costs by the contribution margin per unit (price minus variable cost). This critical metric helps determine the minimum sales needed to cover expenses.

Key Break-Even Formulas

Break-Even Point (Units):
Fixed Costs \ (Selling Price per Unit - Variable Cost per Unit)

check the variable cost on previous graph

>>2807879
>when marginal cost = price you're at maximum profit
That is what according to neoclassical theory a company is doing in a highly competitive market, which is not what a monopolist does to maximize profit. The problem with neoclassical economists is that, aside from a widespread mentality exaggerating the intensity of competition between firms (just because something is not controlled by a monopoly does not mean it is highly competitive), they assume virtually always rising production cost per unit when more is produced, whereas in real life costs per unit usually go down.

Neoclassical socialist economists like Abba Lerner proposed that in socialism the pseudo-firms should set their prices according to marginally cost, making the environment of socialist pseudo-firms effectively working more closely to the ideal of free markets than the capitalist counterpart. Which makes sense if you believe neoclassical economics is sensible. And I don't believe that.

Once you try to do marginal-cost accounting in real life, you will see that this doesn't have the technologically objective engineering flavor as in the textbooks, it depends on somewhat arbitrary accounting practices. Which costs are fixed and which are not depends on the length of the time span under consideration. There is usually a bit of slack and redundancy in the system, so it is more realistic to assume as a rule of thumb that costs per unit stay the same as you produce a bit more or less. You don't get steadily increasing marginal cost as you get closer to the limit, first there is no increase, then there is again no increase, then there is still no increase, then a very sharp increase and you can't produce any more at the moment no matter how much money we throw at you, because you need time to build capacity for that.



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Sorry, it's true
>Trash everywhere
>People constantly shitting in public
>No public safety, people die like hamsters daily
>Citizens just ignore public deaths because everything is fucked anyway
>Everything smells like shit
>SOME people have a tendency to EAT COW SHIT and DRINK COW PISS
>Extreme wealth inequality
>Aesthetics are just constant eye-rape of random ass bullshit
>TV and movies suck
>Food is terrible
>Everything is dirty and everybody is constantly getting diseases
>Little to no natural beauty in the cities
>Rape is constant and unending
>Ruled by fascists who enjoy the broad support of the population despite extreme cruelty and incompetence
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>ITS DAAAAAA THIRDIE
Read Marx, libtard.

>muh moralism
>muh free will
>muh culture
>muh civil code
>muh cleansing fire
Consider suicide

India metropolis looks indistinguishable from China btw same applies to rural shitholes

>>2808253
That's cope

>if China were actually Communist (It's not)
opinion discarded

Wouldn’t the same apply to the rest of the world too? I mean, everywhere on planet Earth needs to be cleansed with Marxist hellfire. Twice just to make sure.



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