/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

OP is right you should move to leftysoy.st

>>2919992
>4/pol/'s right about you.
They fucking auto-saged and then deleted the Savanna Cannon OP picrel of my thread about life. The mods should get vivisected ass first on 4/gif/rekt/, fuck them.

>>2920282
>bro this place has its problems but you couldn't pay me to post on 4chan in the big 26
Trve.

>>2920377
>they even pay hundreds of dollars every year to elon musk.
Disgusting.

>>2919992
Woke idpol has lead to the highest ever numbers of people identifying as socialists and communists in the Anglo world. This theory is stupid.
What actually happened is that politics has become mostly about dispositional expression. Wokeness and leftism appeal to one underlying disposition, and right-populism and reaction to another. /Leftypol/'s traditional anti-idpol stance is just what happens when you pair leftism with the underlying autism and alienation of imageboard users, and not for nothing has leftypol become more progressive over time.
(4chan on the other hand pays rapeape to keep his thumb on the scale in /pol/s favor)

>>2920373
I just went to check it out and it is the most pozzed thing I have seen. Truly the leftyverse of the sharty.

>>2919992
> Back to 4chan.
Stay there next time.

>>2914904
nobody can answer these basic theoretical questions smdh

>>2905756
The premise of utopian socialism is to simply create an alternative bubble mode of production and watch it grow.

>>2914701
You've definetly missread him there with the "dark alien god" thing. His point is exactly that its a retarded concept. First chapter retraces the steps of Camatte to why it might appear that capital is a Landian alien AI that has vome to kill us all, but then cuts through the bullshit word for word with what >>2914859 said: its all ultimately human relations, or to rephrase it in Bordiga's / meme words - "we live in a society".

>>2918880
Indeed. These stupid leftcoms will do anything but accept that Kaiser Wilhelm was successfully building socialism until the damnable libsoc ultras stopped him.

>>2891661
The motivating premise of communisation is that we aren't lenin shoes. Communisers believe that the mass party politics of old was historically contingent - that is contingent upon the organised labour movement which in turn was contingent upon mass semi-skilled industrial factory workforces. Capitalist restructuring has decomposed this reality and thus decomposed the possibility for the old communist projects.

>In the late 1960s and early 1970s, a whole historical period entered into crisis and came to an end — the period in which the revolution was conceived … as the affirmation of the proletariat, its elevation to the position of ruling class, the liberation of labour, and the institution of a period of transition.
<Editorial - SIC 1

>Everywhere, the working class is less homogeneous — it is stratified across high- and low-income occupations; its work is more precarious; and it switches jobs more frequently. More and more workers feel like work has no purpose; for more and more are employed in dead-end service jobs, or are unemployed or unemployable. Like the housewives of an earlier era, they produce little more than the everyday reproduction of the class relation itself. For these reasons, we cannot follow the autonomists in supposing that an “objective” recomposition of the class will find its correlate in a new “subjective” affirmation of class identity.

>It’s not that it’s impossible today to glorify work or workers; it’s that those who can do so are necessarily a minority. They can no longer pose their activity, or the activity of any concrete fraction of the class, as having universal significance. The workers’ movement rested on a vision of the future that turned out to be a dream. In the second half of the twentieth century workers awoke from this dream to discover that all that was supposed to bring them together had actually separated them.
<A History of Separation - Endnotes 4

As opposed to previous era of struggle we have entered a new era in which the factory no longer serves as the germ of a new society in waiting. Masses of workers are expelled from the process of labour, either entirely, partially or intermittently. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Fossil-fuel firms in line for billions in benefits after answering Trump’s donation call
The fossil fuel industry secured an estimated $190bn in tax breaks and subsidies over the next decade after responding to Donald Trump’s pre-election call for major campaign donations, leaving American taxpayers to shoulder higher bills and public health costs associated with pollution, according to a new report.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/24/fossil-fuels-trump-donations

Homeland Security defends officers in immigrant’s fatal car crash in Michigan
Federal immigration officers were about a half-mile away when a man who was illegally in the U.S. crashed a car at high speed and died in Michigan last weekend, authorities said Thursday, attempting to rebut any claim that they were in hot pursuit.
https://apnews.com/article/immigrant-fatal-crash-michigan-3938983d2a55aab9dcb5b42ba6c6cda5

Mikie Sherrill demands NJ lieutenant governor resign after report found improper behavior with women
The investigation — first reported on Sept. 4 but commissioned by Gov. Mikie Sherrill more than three months earlier — focused on Lt. Gov. Dale Caldwell’s conduct in office. The report found Caldwell engaged in ethics violations, including attempts to promote a romantic partner in a state job — while not disclosing the personal relationship.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/24/mikie-sherrill-demands-nj-lieutenant-governor-resign-after-report-found-improper-behavior-with-women-01092915

Nearly 200 people wrongly identified on Nevada’s voter rolls as non-citizens
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wrongly identified 185 people on Nevada’s voter rolls as non-citizens, state officials said this week, escalating concerns over the shoddy methodology the government is using to raise fear about non-citizen voting ahead of the midterm elections.
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Liberal dilemmas as the ruling class seeks a new vehicle for fragmented Britain
ED DAVEY has the perennial problem of Lib Dem leaders — how to make his second division team avoid further relegation. With polls showing just one in 12 voters considering voting for his party the Lib Dems are in fifth place behind Labour, Reform, the Tories and the Greens who have laid siege to a slice of their voters. Where Davey is right is in arguing that some elements in our ruling Establishment favour a Tory/Reform UK coalition. (Davey didn’t put it in these terms because to do so might draw attention to the uncomfortable fact that the austerity policies currently driving some of the support towards Nigel Farage were the centrepiece of Cameron’s Tory-Lib Dem coalition government and Lib Dem Treasury ministers were in the driving seat.)
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/ed-davey-liberal-democrats-polls-dilemmas-ruling-class-britain

What Are Prediction Markets—and Can They Really Predict the Future?
Supporters argue that this process aggregates publicly available information into a real-time forecast, allowing markets to reveal probabilities that sometimes outperform polls or expert opinion. Critics counter that these same incentives can reward speculation, manipulation, or insider knowledge, raising questions about whether they function primarily as forecasting tools, gambling platforms, or something in between. A contract’s price fluctuates with the probability of an event occurring and reflects that prediction. The price is intended to serve as the implied probability of the event occurring. Every contract includes a resolution date and rules that indicate how and when it will be settled. When the resolution date arrives, the market closes automatically, and the bettor is informed about the outcome. One major advantage of prediction markets is their simplicity. Will a given event occur by a certain date? It’s either yes or no. On two of the most prominent markets, Kalshi and Polymarket, a user buys one or more contracts that pay out $1 each if they’re right and nothing if they’re wrong.Unlike Kalshi, Polymarket relies on UMA (Universal Market Access), a decentralized oracle protocol, to resolve markets. Most outcomes are finalized automaticalPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

socialism in one country doesn't work bro.

>>2914906
>Communism seems to me like propaganda, it has no basis in reality
you only think this because you're retarded. this is your, what, 5th thread this week trying to debooonk gommunism?

>>2914972
it is not moral terrorism to say that murdering children is bad you weird ayn rand sycophant

>>2917820
2026: the only people who say 'thats not real communism' are liberals who are mad that communism works

>>2914929
We will make it work no matter the cost.

>>2919159
>>2919579
GTFO with this 2005-tier bullshit.

>>2919579
Meds

>>2920040
Who?

Look up:

Luck Larry “PULL IT”

>>2919938
nah, talking about “barry soetoro” isn’t inherently racist; the issue is the leap you’re making from a real childhood name to a secret replacement or controlled-op plot. obama used that name while living in indonesia with his mother and stepfather, lolo soetoro; hawaii’s records place his birth in honolulu in 1961.

states absolutely do try to shape politics, and USAID has funded some LGBTQ-rights programs abroad. that doesn’t establish a coordinated plan to divide populations, though—and NATO membership doesn’t require countries to adopt LGBTQ policies. the “manufactured consent” idea is worth arguing about; these specific claims need evidence beyond the name and the broader pattern you suspect.

>>2919546
the history is real: cointelpro used infiltration, forged communications, and efforts to fracture groups like the black panthers and antiwar movements. but that history doesn’t by itself prove the specific things you’ve encountered are coordinated ops, and when everything starts fitting one terrifying pattern it’s worth having someone steady and outside the situation check the evidence with you.

keep the raw records and dates, separate what you directly saw from what you infer, and don’t confront anyone based on a suspicion alone. if you think there’s an immediate threat, get somewhere safe and talk to someone you trust offline.

>>2919976
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>>2919965
It's always crazy to hear western leftists end up being the vanguard of the establishment, and purporting that our govt does nothing wrong or bad.

The United States govt has been involved in an 80 year long war against communists everywhere we exist. Part of that war involves information warfare, and psychological operations.

Pic rel was a famous recent example of a guy clearly wearing a mask and impersonating another person on national television. And are you going to all tell me "nope, I don't see it!" like you do with Obama and Osama? And even worse, we have people who are western leftists in this thread defending the United States' perpetration of 9/11! Which was done to manufacture public consent for many wars in the middle east, which were against communism, not "radical islamic terror", or whatever. Those were leftist nations, or the allies of communist nations who were making trad deals involving their oil with communists. And you all want to try to defend it? Complete insanity.

I post on /pol/, frequently, and you're living up to their propaganda there. And I post there to fight with them, not because I'm even remotely sympathetic to fascism.

>>2919983
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>>2919976
>>2919967
BOOM! According to the people in this thread, "nothing to see here!" It's just another muslim radical terror incident! No psyops to justify wars which were intended to geopolitically oppose communism, through oil interests!!!!

Come on. Get real, people. Your government did this, to manufacture consent for wars against communism, but you actually think your clear idpol bait neoliberal faux-progressive savior Barrack Obama was real? You epitomize the failure of the western left, if you really think that.

In fact, I doubt you're even an actual western leftist, if you think this.

Moved to >>>/ufo/1637.

It is psychologically impossible for most people to live communally on a large scale, beyond their immediately relations. Therefore, communism outside of literal communes of a few dozen/hundred like-minded people is impossible. Socialism is the farthest you will get at the state level, and states are necessary for collective defence - your little commune can be annihilated in a single airstrike.

>>2911017
Stalin is both overrated and overhated. Brezhnev wasn't as bad was people said he was. Maoism is the new Trotskyism. Getting rid of the Gang of Four and ending the Cultural Revolution is the second best thing that happened to China. Anti-Communists actually have somewhat of a point when they say "Communism is against human nature."
>the ideologies that are more retarded, emotional, biased and ignorant, the ideologies filled with magical thinking and moralism, those are the ideologies that actually drive history foward (maoism, third worldism)
MTWs aren't going to change anything because they (Like what is now called "Woke 1.0") are a controlled opposition whose purpose is to prevent any real change from happening.
>>2913039
>The dream of most Western Leftists is to be bougie artisans who luck out with monopoly rights to a successful IP they can live on forever, hence why most Leftists become hilariously reactionary when you bring up reducing Copyright laws or AI.
Either that or a well-paid academic that gets to tell poor people to "check their settler privilege" from their gentrified neighborhood. It always comes down to class and most of Western leftoidism is the politics of the jilted petit-bourgeoisie. Most of these people are only "communist" not because they actually support communism but because they oppose their own countries. If they were Russians or Chinese, they'd be liberals. Tumblr is their past, BadEmpanda is their present and Van Jones is their inevitable future.
>Materialist Analysis often leads to positions that would be considered laughably immoral by most of the left, but it doesn't really matter because they are the true position. Read Marx's positions in Critique of the Gotha Program. How much of the modern Left would actually agree with Marx's materialist positions in it? Most Lefties would cry Fascist if they came across someone with the exact same positions Marx holds in it lmao.
Anybody that actually follows dialectical and historical materialism to its logical conclusion knows that it leads to something that today's leftoids would definitely not like. I bet that the majority of these people would have opposPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2911017
There are at least 20 more years before the international reserve army of labor runs out and capitalism really begins to collapse.

Dialectial materialism is the most advanced method for understanding reality but most Marxists believe in 18th century mechanical materialism and mistake it for dialectics. Heraclitus fragments should be mandatory reading.

Identitarian groups and minority discussion are the last shovels of earth on top of the tomb of the revolution. The divisiveness of these movements is anti-revolutionary to the bones and has been co-opted by zionist capitalism a long time ago (if not fabricated by it). Feminism, anti-racism, gay movements, are all, 100% financed by capitalists and instrumentalized by CIA, Mossad and the sort. It only benefits capitalism.
If the revolutionaries don't start focusing strictly on class struggle right now, the struggle will be lost for fucking ever. It lacks so much objectivity in the left. It lacks focus, many great minds in play are being completely wasted in debates, subjective drama and terminology discussions. It seems like most of people have never believed in any type of revolution at all. What the fuck are we waiting for to actually do something? Another Luigi? This guy's attitude should have moved masses towards at least some interesting havoc against swines. Everything seems paralyzed. Much because of lack of cohesion these identitarian woke motherfuckers produced within the revolutionary movements.

>>2918934
>>2919039
Finkelstein's whole thing is ultimately self-defeating in that he has outright said that he wants to "bring the law against israel" but also "israel has a legal right to exist". He fundamentally believes in the de jure international legal world order and thus refuses to engage with the simple reality that the world is a place of power not law.

@FallenFellas mass shooting

>>2918670
>you'd have a leg to stand on with this kind of argument if 90% of Muslims were ISIS
90% are chuds lmao

>commit the necessary amount of violence to overthrow reactionary regime
>move the country towards communism
>commit violence against those who violently oppose it
>reeducate those who oppose it peacefully
>kill those that are repeat-wreckers
This is the limit on revolutionary violence. Everything else is sadism. Violence is a tool for the revolutionary, not a drug to get high on.

I'm logging off for a while now, anyway.

This was real nice, though, just completely dismantling your bullshit.

I've fought with you many nights on 4pol. I recognize your posting rhetoric. I always post this meme on there, which you people always just perpetually ignore the contents of, too, for many many years now. You always hate me passionately there. But you can never disprove anything I post for any of you.

>>2919816
>How about a little thing called "Hypersonic Glide Vehicles", just to break the ice.
Nazi Germany fielded the very first jet fighter and other "wunderwaffe." Were they a larger military power than the Allies?
>which the US can't make a fleet of, icebreaker submarines.
This is only true regarding surface icebreakers, which the US has historically underproduced in. American submarines operate under the ice, and the US possess the largest and most capable submarine fleet in the world.
By the way, Canada has more surface icebreakers than the US and China combined. Does that make Canada the larger military power?
The US Navy
>It was told to you in multiple comments why you were wrong
This was your reply: >>2919780
<Well PPP is what economists use, and you can continue living in your headcannon where "murica is the world's #1 economy" and no one will really care, because everyone plainly understands the present geopolitical reality of our world.
Where is the argument?
>>2919819
>The United States military famously cannot even defeat a few poor people fighting back in jungles or deserts.
China lost in Vietnam. The USSR lost in Afghanistan. Stronger countries don't tend to do very well against asymmetric insurgencies.
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>>2919831
>China lost in Vietnam.
By what metric? China just wanted to pressure Vietnam to stop the war against Cambodia, and made Vietnam agree to a settlement that would not have Vietnam incorporate Cambodian territory. China's border incursion did its job in ending the war.
>The USSR lost in Afghanistan.
The USSR could have continued its support of the Afghan government, but the Gorbachevites pushed a withdrawal as part of a general campaign against Soviet internationalism. The Soviets lost because of this internal factor, not because of the Mujaheddin.

>>2919831
First of all, it's hilarious how you had to go do a bunch of research in order to reply to my comments, which is apparent from the timestamps.

2nd of all, nazi germany, your pseudohistory in any fashion of the USSR or 1970s China, has nothing to do with this discussion in any fashion. What a meaningless diversion. We're discussing the present reality of the US vs China. And none of these other diversions play a role in our discussion.

3rd, Canada doesn't have anything which would be rationally considered to fulfill the category of fucking "icebreaker subs". You just post the usual endless bullshit.

Fucking coping, coping and coping endlessly. I also think it's hilarious how you just keep re-citing my own comments from above, which only calls more attention to how you lost that argument, too.

Moved to >>>/siberia/826454.

Juche schizo thread

>>2919468

My immortal science of Marxist-Leninist-Maoism is the science of communist insurgency in its highest form, and you will respect it as such. Feds like you fear this true, and proper, uncompromising stance. You can disprove nothing we say, so you resort to attacks and lies and we will even best you at these. Shut your mouth you whimpering colonial dog of Jewish exceptionalism.




>>2919461

my source on the prison strikes -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S._prison_strike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_U.S._prison_strike

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ACKtivism is retarded

>>2919305
I agree 100% with your assessment of the American micro-parties, but i don't want to join an anarchist org

>>2919468
He's right, expect all the American "ML" parties are actually just crypto-trots