/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2688528
Cope

>>2689027
I have, the difference is that I am.not delusional

>>2689194
The US is plotting how to invade whatever "AES" shithole you believe has any revolutionary potential as we speak.

>>2689208
China mogs the US militarywise thobeit.

>>2689212
The US is gonna fight China until the last South Korean, Filipino, Japanese, and Australian

Yeah its pretty obvious that things are not working and there shouldnt be billionares never mind trillionares. P sure theres s way to streamline government with computers somehow and make is effective as markets but alas everyone is too dumb so we stick with the ol market anarchy.

>>2687531
They will taste better that's for sure.

>>2687534
well you can make stem cells without them being inside of babies. beyond baby burger

What's this about eating babies?

>>2687537
It wasn't literal jerky. They talked about keeping it refrigerated. They just used jerky as a code word. Just like how pizza wasn't literal.

>suppose there was imperialism without the consequences of imperialism
Yeah no I don't think I will. That's the crux of your take. Suppose there were a world, without the consequences of imperialism, but that there also was imperialism. The two don't go together. The situation you describe is somewhat parallel to what was going on in Germany in the 1910s with the SPD, and it still split up and there were even attempts at revolution. I'm inclined to believe, if there was a large legal/illegal pre-WW1 SPD-like organization in America and if it was crisis/revolution - then there would be some attempting an uprising.

You are retarded OP

>>2686639
You are rather conservative in your estimation and I like that. In any case, yeah, it's a push the magic button *poof* scenario that is however intended to highlight a point. For sure, within years everything would revert back to how it was, if not worse, to compensate for the damage to the system.

But you see, we are having an interesting discussion.

>>2686642
My life is shattered.

Unions can be crushed like nothing.

>In such a scenario a communist movement would still not materilize in the West, reformist unionism would become more popular likely
And from there, dengism.
>but that's pretty much it if you think that it is still in the material interest of the labor aristocracy to conserve the current world order.
The labor aristocracy in the US is small compared to the total population, much like many 3rd world countries.

Like I really don't think a bunch of of frontend devs and steel mill workers can prevent dengism from happening in the US, it's mainly the institutions at this point.
>I consider my position to be common sense
To say this out loud and not attempt to figure out where the load bearing vibes are is baffling. You do understand common sense is never a good thing, right?

>>2688973
Back to pol with you, vermin

>>2688970
Zogban is anticolonial since when?

>>2688955
>Be a honest zionist, not a secular zionist liberal.
Indeed orban and all these european fascist leaders zionism steers from hatred of brown people rather than any genuine sympathy towards jews, orban likes israhell because they're genociding brown people, simple as rhat

Fascists are moved by hatred and death and there's no compromise with them

>>2688985
But polyp troll, I don't think the children the likes of epstein and his zionist buddies were raping and cannibalizing were muslim

>>2688991
Orbitch is bffs with the likes of them, granted zionist scum like you are a cult of hatred, pedophilic cannibals that should be promptly executed en masse

>>2688582
Rveryone in the future either clise or distant will be a kalergi creature. A eurasian black either by conquest or by evolution. Conquest being the fastest route. The sooner this is accepted the sooner we can carry on with the orogrom.

Is telegram a good app to use for local organizating?

>>2688793
Well if its for legal organizing i guess. They cracked down on tg. If its iffy youll want to use sessions. It uses a crypto version of tor.

>>2688793
Telegram is just like any other non-encrypted messaging app. There's nothing special about it. If you need an encrypted messaging app Signal is decent

>>2688320
As shown by both the Russian and Chinese revolutions, infiltrating the enemy's military is an important aspect of the work. It just can't be the only aspect, because it's also necessary to grow the number of revolutionaries, and that's achieved by organizing within the working class. The US military is especially harsh on any attempts to organize their forces. It doesn't mean we can't spread ideas or put ourselves in positions to do sabotage, but it means we'll have much less success than with the civilian population.

Also it's not necessarily true that the military can easily stop an insurrection. Insurrection is a surprise attack by a large portion of the population on the forces already stationed in a city. All the military can do is come in later to try to root out the now entrenched insurgents, who are also the popular and legitimate governing force. The US has fought in similar conditions, and it only has two methods of dealing with it: 1. genocide the population, 2. turn on the money faucet and bribe the population to be loyal to the previously established government. The second one is the most dangerous because it actually works. The first method, killing everyone until they happen to kill all insurgents, or until the population gives in, can be countered somewhat with moving key leaders, money, equipment etc. to another city, and building bunkers and tunnels underground to evade bombs. Really if they go the genocide route there's nothing anyone can do to totally defend against it, but in a civil war setting they're also destroying their own economic base, and thus their logistics. I

n the stage in preparation for insurrection, they could really hamper us if they do intense information gathering and targeted killings/arrests (and they already know this, which is why they're doing everything they're doing), but it seems like they have some trouble actually following through on this, meaning there must be too many enemies of the state for them to risk the political unrest it would cause to suddenly kill us all. Also their surveillance is not perfect. The stage where we're still trying to grow the number of armed communists, and when they begin to use violent repression, is the most dangerous for us. We'll have to quickly re-organize in order to avoid deadly raids while not yet strong enough to make any offensive moves. TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2688847
the western hegemon does a hell of a lot of heavy lifting for keeping compradors around though. National liberation sans socialists at the helm might not have worked out as well as hoped but I would be very surprised if the west being largely unable to maintain control over other governments would lead nowhere

>>2688456
>I think it would be popular if properly explained.
Of course it should be explained, but we can see in history that a revolutionary action being explained properly will not make it popular. The Bolsheviks did an excellent job explaining themselves and still did not have the wider popularity of many other "socialist" groups. Why is this? The answer lies within the nature of the class struggle within an imperialist state and among the dominant nation. This popularity shifted as the conditions shifted and imperialism became an active drag on previously complacent or vacillating sections of the workers and peasants.
>It is claimed that the first world gets welfare in exchange for imperialism but what I see in the USA is welfare getting cut while the military budget increases.
It's a vulgarization of the entire global economy to reduce these benefits down to welfare. In other parts of the first world much of this does go to welfare, but that's not the end of it nor has that been how this relation is expressed in the US at any point. Rather, we have to observe what made the "historic compromise" between labor and capital after WW2 possible: that being intensified exploitation of and extraction from the periphery. This historic compromise is the basis for current day artificially high wages in the first world, where despite playing a minor role in the overall creation of value in overall commodity production workers here are nearly-universally (prison enslavement and migrant labor excepted) paid disproportionately high wages for the labor they put in. I'm sure your immediate thought upon hearing this is to observe the downwardly-mobile labor aristocracy in many US cities, but that would be missing the point. Whether or not these wages meet the cost of living in the US (which it should be noted is not artificially inflated to the same degree as worker wages) doesn't change that the wages are inflated, nor does it change the reactionary nature of "free trade" unions struggling to maintain artificially inflated wages gleaned from imperialism. We also need to have a little perspective here. The conversation around that downwardly-mobile labor aristocracy today is largely around a reality that youth will largely not enjoy the same opportunities and prosperity as their parents, in particular housing is becoming difficult to buy and rents are increasing. But what are the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2688875
Theres places that are poor as shit as cambodia but overall it feels like the quality of life is going up across the board a little bit. Well even cambodia must have gone up a bit…
Pic rekated is nigeria

>>2688882
I don't know why I bother.

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here. Infrastructure getting built up with shiny buildings does not change the overall relations at work or the exploitation at its core. In fact in the colonial and neo-colonial countries it's a product of intensified exploitation and domination, not less. Acting like "look those people have cities too, they're just like me!" somehow disputes what I'm saying is playing into liberals jingling keys in your face at best.

>>2688897
The gini corfficient in Nigeria is 0.33 which is not bad. The us is like 0.5
Man it feels good not to be a burger

>>2676820
wow the slave owning clerics of tibet were reactionary????

a parallel universe where america is "dengist" would be an improvement (vid related)

>>2681126
geg

>>2681000
Next to the "dead muslims" gore threads? Hilarious for you to claim that rightoids like Islam even though the right ward push since 2012 was because of the Syrian refugee wave lmao

China is internationalist.

It's every other country that's nationalist, hence impoosibly to "ally" with for a socialist country

>>2688486
Very well laizzer faire capitalism
Not sure if i spelled it right

>>2688498
There's still state involvement in laissez fairy tale.

OP is so naively stupid, it made me agree with LeftCom poster.

>>2688580
I should have elaborated further.
Ai makes it possible for the first time for all the economic planning to happen within computers even if there are no robots which there will be. This is the best to happen to communism since marx and engels wrote the book.

>>2688346
>lets ignore capitalism as it exists and has always existed and reduce it to an ideal instead
again: retard

>>2688498
>>2688617
idiot lol

>hegelslop
keep it

Another day where Americans twirl their thumbs.

>>2688563
put a copy of Critique of Pure Reason up your ass metaphysicist

gotta bump

>>2688206
Yet these amerikkkans are exporting their slop to other countries!
>>2687958
Fed? I laugh, for i am against the Georgian Nightmare party's hegemony

>trotsky
This was already obvious in the times of Marx and Engels.

ludites were, are and always will be correct

This same logic can be applied to nation states, only the ruling class of smaller nations fear globalization and international trade, the proletariat is under the same conditions as before.

>>2688480
It looks like blacks and southerners as well. More populated areas seem more optimistic.