/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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hahaha that guy is too wrathful and prideful to accept you agree with him so he has to pretend like he won a fight that never happened in the first place. peak imageboard chud behavior.
>>2816162
>exploitation is a para-ethic term bro
read marx, holy fucking shit, the term appears 115 times in my translation of volume 1, alone.

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>>2816139
>Technologies have an order of dependence to them that can not be arbitrarily skipped over. Without the knowledge and skills associated with a particular stage of technology, you can not simply go on to develop the next.
Sure, but the claim then becomes one of technological determinism, and so fatality upon the prospect of political action. This is the main error, that if we consider the development of history simply as the means by which we relate to instruments of production, then a post-capitalist era is signified as simply being consequential of an innovation in production, and so the Philosopher's Stone of social transformation. The issue is that Marx's criticism of capitalism is not simply based in its capacity for production, but its manner of distribution, or in how the relations of production are given from the mode of production. The issue of the syllogism (production-distribution/exchange-consumption) then is not in the mode of production, but in its relations. The top-down management of labour is permitted, so long as the social product has a greater share. This is also the point on commodity exchange; we can say that a product is made as a commodity, but it can only become a commodity in its mode of exchange, and so commodity production is entirely contingent to production as such, and only an accident of exchange:
<Lastly nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
<A commodity proves that it is a commodity in exchange.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/1868-syn/ch01.htm
Thus, Robinson Crusoe makes no commodities, although he labours (in other words, the commodity is not produced, it is circulated, as a social abstraction; i.e. "value"). Marx thought he could establish a world communist revolution in the 19th century, and so capitalism is not determined by technical knowlePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2816155
>I simply don't care about a rational "justification" for communism
But this is the problem; if you support something, you must think it is good, that is, ethically correct - you cannot escape this. If something is good therefore, it is justified. So, if you hold a positive political position, you are inherently justifying it, otherwise, why promote it?
>I understand communism as simply proletarian struggle that taken to is logical conclusion does away with private property and the State, and I don't think the proletariat needs to justify anything to anyone (not even to themselves really).
Communism is not a proletarian movement, it is a priestly project of intellectuals. The proletariat lack any meaningful self-consciousness, and the communist has always found an astonishing frustration with the reactionary masses for these reasons, per Lenin:
<The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers, and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc. The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals. By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm
Thus, communism is a brain-child of the bourgeoisie!
>we are still animals at the end of the day
Animals are often more rational than human beings. It just sounds like you are being wilfully ignorant to avoid ethical responsibility. Wash your penis.

>>2816148
>It clearly is
no they are wrong on purpose. the insistence on this framing is political

>>2815960
Cant think of anything more linked to free thinking and freedom of expression then state sponsored propaganda posters.

>>2815960
You're like the first Spanish mf I've seen posting on leftypol.org

>>2815968
depends on the nature of the state you uyghur. the eu is just a company.

>>2815990
Propaganda, even one you agree with, by definition doesn't promote free thinking, you're told what to think, thats the definition of the word.

>>2815968
Idk I don't really have a problem with the fact that they are doing propaganda (I have an issue that they are doing liberal europeist propaganda). Also, its very ironic they do that while they try to ban VPNs, E2EE and their war against "russian disinformation"
>>2815989
Theres literally an /esp/ thread
>>2815994
Not really, its more about making your position known. Propaganda is not inherently bad

>>2814748
depends on whether milk suppliers are overproducing and milk processors are meeting demand accurately, or whether milk suppliers are meeting demand accurately and milk processors are underproducing.

>>2814774
see engels on rodbertus >>2811930

>>2814774

Your framing is a bit weird because its treating final demand as if it counts for all stages of production. But demand for raw milk comes from milk processing & the latter's demand comes from final consumption. This is how it is dealt with in standard neoclassical as well, so this is even stranger if you acting as a higher level pro-capitalist troll.

In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.

Therefore, assuming your example takes place under conditions of that kind of basic socialism, its highly likely that milk production capacity was expanded before milk processing capacity (maybe wrongly? processing & transit should usually be setup before production to reduce initial waste, unless some large initial buffer stocks are needed)

This is especially so because cows/sheep/etc. are a form of capital stock and therefore capacity, and it makes little sense if processing capacity & output was meeting final demand to already have had oversupply of milk sheep/cattle/etc.

>>2814985
>In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.
In traffic engineering they do this to anticipate saturation between adjacent intersections.

>>2811601
>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive
I've pointed out similar things and retard lolberatarians actually use that as an opportunity to say "well this proves the labor theory of value wrong" as if it were a labor theory of compensation LMFAO

The Paul Cockshott Show

>>2815564
Thank you comrade :)

alas, the era of the shockjock taking calls on the radio is over.
I was surprised to see the zionists at h3 do it.

I personally enjoy the call-in culture of the olden days of radio, some of my favorite bits come from call-ins.
I can see this as a niche hole in a niche market that I would enjoy, but can't see ever really being a thing.

the adam friedland show

>>2815592
Hm. True. And leftists do tend to be a lot more insular (with Patreon as a main mechanism) nowadays. I might have to shill money on various Youtuber patreons to assist in my goal of ending echo-chambers…

>>2815147
> I'm Spanish
kys

while i think their methods were always dumb they made sense during francism, today bsaque nationalism is retarded and petit bourgeois

>>2815147
Justified, shame they resigned.
The Francoist regime was actively trying to destroy the Basque people, erase their language and culture, children were beaten for speaking Basque.
When the King came back, he was chosen by Franco, he tried to coup against the liberals until he backed down.
Nothing had really changed for the Basque, the Spanish funded fascist paramillitaries to again, continue the basque oppression. To this day the spanish continue to rape and torture Basque activists, see Iratxe Sorzabal

>>2815317
I think the reason some people still support them these days is because the reactionaries are butthurt over ETA, so if they hate ETA, I have to defend it type mindset

also Guardia Civil guys are all reactionary bastards, much more than the normal police

Literal CIA

>>2814974
Greetings secret service uyghurs.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Wj3GEuwoNWc

You will need to upgrade your secret service shields.

North America’s largest commuter rail system shuts down as workers strike
The unions and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the public agency that runs the railroad, have been negotiating for months on a new contract, with talks stalled over the question of workers’ salaries and healthcare premiums. President Donald Trump’s administration tried to broker a deal, but the unions were legally allowed to strike starting at 12:01 a.m. Kevin Sexton, national vice president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, said no new negotiations have been scheduled. “We’re far apart at this point,” Sexton said early Saturday. “We are truly sorry that we are in this situation.”
https://apnews.com/article/lirr-new-york-commuter-rail-strike-union-a9b20b5de53a944c9da4263d289a845f

US Postmaster General floats ending six-days-a-week mail delivery, closing most local post offices
Steiner’s opening report to the meeting called on Congress “to remove the mandates that ensure the Postal Service loses money: For example, days and levels of service, the ability to close unprofitable offices, and the underpricing of First-Class Mail. If we had flexibility on those three main issues, we could go a long way towards becoming profitable, but the American public would see reduced levels of service and higher rates.” This amounts to the abolition of USPS as a public service, converting it openly into a for-profit model and setting the stage for its privatization. More than 70 percent of local post offices are unprofitable, according to USPS’ own estimates. Combined with cuts to “days and levels” of delivery service, this would lead broad swathes of the country, especially rural areas, without reliable access to mail.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/05/15/ouau-m15.html

New Virginia law banning `assault firearms’ prompts quick lawsuits from gun-rights groups
The limits on “ assault firearms,” as they are described by the legislation, are among two dozen new restrictions and regulations on guns enacted by the Democratic governor in her first few months in office. That marks a sharp policy reversPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Why Capitalism’s Origins Matter: Review of Mother of Capital: How Rent Gave Birth to Modernity by Matthew Costa (Pluto Press, 2025)
How did the medieval world give birth to our modern system of capitalist accumulation and competition? A new book by Matthew Costa, a Marxist historian and mandarin at New South Wales’s treasury, offers a compelling answer and synthesizes a vast body of writing on this topic. Mother of Capital: How Rent Gave Birth to Modernity provides an engaging account of the transition from feudalism to capitalism, a subject that has been debated among historians and economists for centuries.
https://jacobin.com/2026/05/review-costa-transition-feudalism-capitalism

Labour and the myth of the twin extremes
AS LABOUR turns its eyes to Andy Burnham as a possible saviour, rival demonstrations in London underline the depth of Britain’s political crisis. The far-right — once again absurdly misnamed — “unite the kingdom” rally called by Tommy Robinson embodies a threat most Labour MPs have woken up to. Reform’s sweeping wins at the May 7 local elections have precipitated a full-on political crisis. Though a “Burnham bounce” based largely on popular loathing for Keir Starmer, whose exit now seems tied to the Manchester mayor’s availability to replace him, suggest Labour would be favourites to win a Makerfield by-election should Burnham indeed be the candidate, even he is only narrowly ahead of Reform. A Reform win is a plausible outcome and would leave Labour with even fewer options than it has right now, besides reasserting the rise of intolerant nationalism as the dominant theme in British politics. Robinson has chosen his demo date not to unite the kingdom of course but to maximise divisions by facing off against the annual Nakba demonstration, commemorating the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during the establishment of the state of Israel and demanding the UN-recognised right of return denied them and their descendants ever since.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-and-myth-twin-extremes

The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte by Marx Chapter IV (Rise of Louis BonaparPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2797349
>the de facto recognised Communist Party in the US
by whom?

>>2815383
DSA

>>2797349
Russia and China

>>2815373
The FBI and CIA master plan of working with Russia, Iran, China and Yemen

>>2797349
PSL and other "woke" groups are tied to a Chinese linked porkie. So it's all complicated. I assume that they're hedging their bets and playing both sides.

I don't understand USAian rural culture. But I'm not against rural pandering. I feel like they could do better than Haz but whatever.

>>2814206
Idk compare with Trump. Trump was shit but relatively harmless until his second term when he got the support of the bourgeois tech sector behind him. Trump's base of family business and land/resource owners (oil, coal, etc..) just couldn't come up with a real strategy for change. Trump was a reactionary in his first term. Trump is a fascist in his second term with big tech backing him.

It's the same with historical fascism. The aristocracy and the artisans could never unify around their own political project. It's only when the steel mill ran into a crisis of over-accumulation that these reactionaries could really be weaponized.

>>2814182
>That's bs tbh. The bourgeoisie and capitalism thrived here in the Free & Hanse cities since medieval times, feudalism and aristocracy was a rural thing. The cities were in fact politically ruled by the bourgeois already.
I don't quite see how the mercantile elites of back in the day are relevant to what I am discussing here, so feel free to explain. The post-feudal nobility of the early 20th century still dominated society with a strong economic base in the countryside and almost total control over politics, especially in those countries that were semi-absolutist like Wilhelmine Germany. They continually made decisions in favor of agriculture over industry and commerce, which is why there was so much protectionism at this time. As you also mention, they enjoyed an immense amount of prestige that made the Bourgeoisie long for their approval and acceptance. You also mention the military, whose officer class was still permeated with sons of the nobility and their values even after 1918/19. (If this sounds interesting to you you should read the book, which I obviously can't do justice in a short post like this)

>However there is no doubt the bourgeois bankers, industry bosses (+associations), media oligarchs and liberal associates in the Reichstag were the main driving force behind fascism 100 years ago.
See, that's what I believed as well, but with these recent books I feel like the nobility played a big role as well that is not often talked about. A big role which could even be that of a prime instigator amongst the elites.

>>2814385
A medieval HRE city and urban society was legally subject to the emperor, however not subject to feudal lords, kings etc. Like for example any urban bourgeois with financial means to do so could recruit a band of Landsknechts and start a proper war against some random rural feudal Junker or other aristocrat of whatever noble rank (not just in theory, such feuds actually took place and could prolong over a long time). What's more, serfs from the feudal countryside might run from their lords, move to a city and become free men if they managed to get a job (i.e. join the proletariat) and accomodation and the former lord could do nothing against it. The cities were ruled by councils which consisted of elected bourgeois guild bosses who would either inherit their position from their family or bought political influence with money. In medieval times the proletariat existed already inside the free cities as free wage workers, however proletarians were not allowed to take part in bourgeois elections, politics was strictly for rich people. This was called "Ständestaat" and it is what our current German rightoids mean when they say "we want to go back to the "good old times", fuck the modern world". As city population grew, manufacturing processes diversified, technology and automation developed and urban societies networked globally the bourgeois guild bosses and merchants became the modern capitalists, amassed more private property and financial wealth than aristocrats (resulting in aristocrats becoming dependent on the richest bourgeois oligarchs to obtain loans for their wars and purchases of the latest representative luxury items) while the situation of the proletariat gradually became worse and worse, which was particularly evident in the form of big slum districts in the cities (like, half of Hamburg used to be a slum of the worst kind) but also in the founding of the predecessors of the unions and first unions, secret worker's societies, in the founding of the first communist party and eventually violent worker's uprisings against the bourgeoisie. Why is this relevant? Well, because the author says that Germany was a monolithic feudal society with dominant feudal entities executing absolute political power well into the 20th century, which is simply wrong: The junkers, barons, dukes etc. and the clergy only ever ruled the countryside, their power Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2814232
>Trump was a reactionary in his first term. Trump is a fascist in his second term with big tech backing him.
wtf are u talkin about, Jesse

>>2814569
Thank you for the write up, that clears up why you mentioned that.

>because the author says that Germany was a monolithic feudal society with dominant feudal entities executing absolute political power well into the 20th century, which is simply wrong: The junkers, barons, dukes etc. and the clergy only ever ruled the countryside, their power in the cities was always very limited to non-existent and from the renaissance onwards to the enlightment age they gradually lost their power grip over the the countryside too as industrialization rapidly increased and the capitalist mode of production spread to rural areas as well
And yet this post-feudal nobility still retained a lot of power. 40% of the population of Germany still worked the land as late as 1907, compared to 30% in industry and manufacture. 40% of the population lived in the countryside in towns and villages not exceeding 10.000 inhabitants. The nobility were first amongst the major land owners in Germany (and in the other countries that the text concerns itself with) and exercised a huge amount of influence in associations in the countryside, which from what I can tell from the book by Corni lasted until Darré and the Nazis as a whole completely outmanoeuvred them. Even after the Nazi takeover they managed to continue cushioning their fall from relevance by influencing policy (for example, completely side-stepping any kind of land reform).

90% of firms in manufacturing and industry were small family owned businesses employing no more than 5 workers and over half the sector worked in firms not exceeding 50 workers. Most of these firms were characterized by artisanal labor. In retail and commerce most firms were also tiny with department stores only accounting for a small percentage of revenue in the sector.

Mayer's whole point is that this old economy, if you will, was not an irrelevant vestige of a time long gone waiting to be washed away once and for all by modern industrial firms, but rather that this was the still extremely relevant social base from which the old elite drew its tremendous, but terminally declining, economic and especially political and cultural power. He emphasizes Europe's dual character (modern and pre-modern), which was the source of the general crisis of the early TwentiethPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2810257
there's gonna be a lot of cope here when the arab states begin normalising relations with israel again
while the wars still going

>>2810965
as the isolation of becoming a pariah state sets in the best and brightest citizens will leave the country when the opportunity arises. It will be a population fascist supremacist thugs and inbred haredi moochers.

>>2814934
the more that happens the more the IDF keeps getting kited into asymetric skirmishing which is disasterous for them. they also fail at missile defense. time is not on their side really. the thing about the zionazis is that they aren't esactly clever just very well sponsored and that could turn on a fucking dime.

>>2813881
it's going to be harder to normalize relationships with israel if the US gets the fuck out of the middle east lol

>>2815289 (me)
which btw they just did, they haven't returned to their bases in the gulf

>>2813933
tbh it's pretty brilliant that they let sanchez in
now after he is convicted and imprisoned just days before the election the people will have no choice but to vote fujimori and she'll win 100% of the votes
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2026/05/15/peruvian-prosecutors-seek-to-disqualify-leftist-presidential-candidate/

>>2814359
>Rafael the gay anal vore bestality lover
shoulda gone into art

>>2814531
Sanchez will anally rape the police officers trying to arrest him with a tortoise, this will make a man out of them and therefore secure his victory.

>>2813933
epstein was right, the goyim are cattle

>>2802040
nah mexico and mexico city are mestizo territories, I mean they literally built the city over the ruins of the indigenous cities, thus the colonial structure is vastly different