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Whole highway lobby sucks piss off the government tit, fucking warmongering ecocidal babykillers bulldoze poor and minority communities, also big oil funds transphobia. Fuck'em suburbs, fuck'em small homeowners, fuck'em petite-bourgeoisie. Fuck'em Southern petrofascist Christians too. Fuck TOG (Texas-Occupied Government), fuck the USA, fuck Evangelicals and their oil wealth. Fuck Christian Wahhabism. Fuck the military-highway-industrial complex.

Bump

=based= there was a time when you could get from one side of the country to the other on trams which went town-to-town. The reason why roads were paved in the US was because bicyclist unions demanded it from the government.

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Essential theory consulted





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Why isn't there any communist revoluntionary action in haiti?
I know theres like one group trying but its really just a gang and isnt actually communist
The entire bourgesise goverment has collapsed, theres already a communist party, and even americans are trying to establish colonies in it to rape people, like seriously are you just gonna let a bunch of crackers take over again?

Come on, do something already

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Haitian_Communist_Party_(Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/texas-haiti-rape-indictment?

https://www.blackagendareport.com/challenging-imperialism-communist-party-kenya-stands-solidarity-justice-and-equality-haitian-people
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Because turns out 18th century theory isn't working well in the 21st century

>>2819554
who cares what that grifter glowie is doing.

>>2819423
Does gangs taking over the country count as communist revolutionary action?

>Why isn't there any communist revoluntionary action in haiti?
The west has already been perpetually punishing Haiti for having a successful slave rebellion for over 200 years at this point, if they ever had any socialist movement at all then America would kill every Haitian person.



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who will leftypol support in the upcoming greek turko war????
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>>2820730
>Turkey also disputes Greece’s right to extend its territorial waters from six to 12 nautical miles under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), warning that such a move could constitute a casus belli. Greece is a signatory to UNCLOS, while Turkey is not.

So Iran shits up UNCLOS, and Turkey isn't far behind? That didn't take long at all.

Email them to cut it out.

Shit vs piss

>>2822341
Team sports faggot.

>>2820843
Incorrect. Bulgaria belongs to Serbian.



 

Any predictions for the outcome of the 2026 American midterm elections?

Any socialists on the ballot?

Any guesses as to how the redistributing/gerrymandering issue will play into things?

How do you think issues like Trump’s wars, the tariffs, ICE raids, Black issues, Medicare For All, the climate, voting rights, abortion, trans issues, autistic/neurodivergent issues, and Palestine will affect the outcome? For instance, are we seeing a split in the Democrats over Palestine and other foreign policy issues?
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>>2818940
Geg so true

>>2813177
History has shown that doesn’t happen, quite the opposite, fascism is a tool of the bourgeois to stop Communism.

>>2822323
It’s literally worse at that than regular liberal democracy, especially social democracy

either the republicans gerry their mander hard enough to maintain their majority or we are about to see the funniest
round of republican republican moralfagging since kirk got shot

We should make this a general methinks



 

Why are small towns so Hitlerite? There's just an incredible amount of tribalism, anti-intellectualism and moral busybody behavior. Small towners are just people who don't know how to mind their own fucking business and get outraged over every moral panic. What the fuck is wrong with these libertarian freaks who want to diddle little girls and execute the gays? I've noticed that a lot of marginalized groups also maintain these kinds of small town politics. I just don't get it.
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>>2800638
>muh primitivism

>>2800529
Collectivism and individualism are spooks.

>>2800005
Selection effects: open minded progressive types move to the city, leaving behind only the sort of person so small minded that they can't imagine leaving.

This is also why Britain is a shithole and why for all its flaws America is an innovative (if crazy) country: it is positively selected for those who'd gamble on a better life.

>>2800574
Why are you blaming the action of jew in Israel on white people in rural America? Hillbillies don't run AIPAC, they didn't run the Epstein black mail ring, and their votes don't matter. The Palestinian genocide is being done by jews in Israel, and enabled by jewish supremacist lobbies in America, why are you angry at white people in West Virginia or Ohio? Their role in all of this being lied to about immigration.

>>2822066
That post was sarcastic hence the "Good one."

>>2800653
If you want to study animals in captivity and improve their conditions, you have to study the natural state, yes. Otherwise they fail to flourish and do weird things like pace out of boredom, pluck out their feathers and hair, fail to reproduce, etc.



 

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>>2822238
>politics is just muh entertainment slop

>>2822238
>At least ᴉuᴉlossnW gives le funny speeches!!1!!!! i find your struggle against him boring!!!1!!! everyone exists to entertain me!!!!!11! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>2822791
Postin on leftypol ain't politics my friend, it is entertainment slop

>>2822792
Your posting on anonymous image boards against either ACP/ESL anon or Haz is certainly not comparable to a some kind of struggle against ᴉuᴉlossnW lmao, get a grip
>That crashout
Sorry to offend your sensibilities anon. It's just stale material

>>2822088
I am still alive comrade. I stay away from yanknest leftypol lately




 

>Kendrick diss just a couple of months after Drake signing that ceasefire letter.
>he would delete free Palestine comments under his IG posts
>former associates like Top Dawg are zionists
>he has been dead silent about Gaza despite being known as a political rapper.
>Not like us trivializing/normalizing pedophilia, turning it into a meme that people twerk to at parties just a couple months before Epstein-gate
>Kendrick being Diddy's "great friend", giving a feat to Kodak who raped a minor, being featured in Taylor Swift's (serial predator of teens) album, his long time friend from Compton Rykeis got exposed for trying to meet a 15 year old.
>Not like us gets 5 Grammys (CBS network in charge, all of the key ppl are zionists, subdivision of Paramount Skydance who's Founder/CEO/chairman David Ellision is a close associate of Netanyahu). Drake sues Universal Music Group (chairman/CEO Lucian Grainge, ardent Jewish zionist) because he argued the views of Not Like Us were inflated (proven fact) and they intentionally supported the track through bots and radio plays.

Did they manufacture a character assasination to punish a Jewish man who signed the ceasefire letter, while also memefying pedophilia and turning child sexual abuse into a harmless spectacle, so we engage with the Epstein revelations the same way? Did the same thing happen to MJ who was a pro-Palestine advocate and was called antisemitic for some of his lyrics?
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Lefty music nerds like Fantano are retarded. Drake is openly WOKE, hates Trump and support Palestine. He's made too many pop bangers to count. Kendrick is some goofy "conscious" vagueposting black isrealite lyricist that hasnt made a good album for a decade and think way too much of himself. His drake diss also sucked he was calling him a pedo for no reason as if he never fucked barely legal girls himself that hypocrite.
Most of his haters are clearly acting out of ressentiment because Drake is too normie and prosocial both in his music and as a person.

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how easily morons fall for this celeb worship shit as long as they think theyre doing it for moral reasons, like kendrick hates drake but has no issue hanging out with other pedos or sexual abusers lol

>>2822037
All the songs Kendrick made with SZA wipe the floor of any Drake project past If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late

>>2822040
Yeah having Kodak Black as a feature of Mr Morale and dropping multiple verses on the last Playboi Carti kind of defeats the whole rap feminist Christian angle he goes for

>>2819535
This post belongs in the Smithsonian.



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Did the party switch actually happen?
Were we Wrong About the Ideologies of US Political Parties in the Past?
From 1854 to 1896…
>Were the Republicans actually to the Left of the Democrats of the same period outside of racial issues?
>Was the Republican's protectionist stance more reactionary than the Democrat's Free Trade position?
>The Republicans contracted private companies to build railroads. Was this more Right-Wing than the position of the Democrats at the time, which was Laissez-Faire Capitalism? Keep in mind neither party supported regulations on businesses.
>Marx supported Republicans over Democrats in this time period. Would that have changed if he lived to the end of the guilded age?
>Was the Liberal Republican party to the Left of the Republican party, despite its Right-Wing position on Reconstruction?
>Who was the lesser evil in the Presidential elections from 1856 to 1892?

From 1896 to 1932…
>Was William Jennings Bryan ACTUALLY to the Left of William McKinley?
>Was the policy of Free Silver actually more Left-Wing than the Gold Standard? Note that Marx supported fiat currency and Engels mocked the Free Silver movement in the US.
>Did the GOP still represent a historically progressive industrial force by this point? Did the Democrats still represent a regressive, agricultural-focused and anti-Industrial force?
>Was Woodrow Wilson actually to the Left of Teddy Roosevelt?
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Protectonism is not a reactionary position. Protectonism historically has developed nations. Even modern china uses protectonism
Engles and marx were wrong about this

>>2820920
Yes the Party switch happened, I don’t like the Democratic Party but it did change from Conservatism to Social-Democracy then to Centrism. Thats why the Republicans use the Color red and Democrats Blue

>>2821119
>it did change from Conservatism to Social-Democracy then to Centrism
When was the Democratic party ever to the Left of where it is now? Face it: It's always sucked.
>Thats why the Republicans use the Color red and Democrats Blue
I'm sorry, but this is false. This color scheme only became an entrenched concept in like, 2000.
>>2821114
Marx acknowledged that protectionism developed nations at the expense of the outside world, he just didn't care.

>>2821151
>When was the Democratic party ever to the Left of where it is now? Face it: It's always sucked.
the 60s to mid 80s but beyond that not really
>>2821114
protectionism is reactionary only if the economy is already developed so it halts the spread of capital
>>2821029
>I actually remember for a time that Wikipedia's page on the Stalwart faction of the GOP claimed that they were more Right-Wing than the Democrats because they wanted to "Impose Capitalism on the South". That always makes me laugh.
i find that somewhat ridiculous, but bless the republicans anyway for doign it

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>>2821151
It was a Social-Democratic party under FDR, he saved America and the whole world from Fascism



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Why are so many wealthy people like Hasan and Mamdani leftists and socialists and communists despite being from wealthy families? It makes me very skeptical. It seems like socialism is in the class interests of the already wealthy and powerful, not the immiserated person barely making a living without a pot to piss in. The pattern repeats through out history as well. Marx and Engels both came from well off families. As did Lenin and Mao.

Basically why should i trust some rich trust fund kid telling me socialism is in my interests? Seems like socialism is just a way for the already rich to accumulate ever more social capital and power.
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>>2820687
>socialists and communists despite being from wealthy families?
Engels (one of the heads on the communist banner, btw) was a rich factory owner.

>>2821339
engels was not a factory owner, he was employed by his dad as a manager. his family also threatened to disown him for being a socialist

>>2820687
haSSan piKKKer and mamdani are NOT communists they dont even claim to be they call themselves "socialists"

>>2820687
also being a class traitor isnt always bad infact marx also came from a somewhat wealthy family and so did engels

I feel like you have to be really fucking dumb to not understand how people can fight against their "class interests". Human beings are material creatures but we're not robots. We have independent wills and can form opinions and make decisions based on the information available. We also have something called empathy. Not everyone is automatically a 100% selfish cunt. Some people actually want to improve things.



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Forgive me if I fuck up on the details of theory, I'm not an expert on this

So I think most of us can agree that a key part of Marxist theory and dialectical/historical materialism relies on looking at the evolution of past societies and their class relations and extrapolating from there the inevitable future development of communism, right? Primitive communalism, the establishment of class society via slave economies, progressing to feudalism, capitalism, socialism then to communism. I think most people here can agree that these are the general trends.

However, Karl Popper, he of the "Paradox of Tolerance" that you might have seen in that meme infographic about why we shouldn't tolerate Nazis, had something to say about this. His book The Poverty of Historicism, first published in magazines in the 40's and in book form in 1957, argues that it's effectively impossible to accurately predict future trends, rendering a Marxist analysis of the "inevitable" development of socialism and communism to be false. Popper's main argument boils down to his view that technological progress is the main driving force of history, and by extension scientific progress, and therefor to truly predict future trends one must be able to predict scientific progress. However, the very nature of "scientific facts" means that it's impossible to predict its future progress, since if you could it would not be future progress but present progress. Historical determinism to predict future trends according to Popp relied on knowledge we dont know yet, which is logically impossible. Going by that logic therefor, it's impossible to use any form of determinism, Marxist or otherwise, to predict future developments of society.

What are some arguments against this, from a Marxist perspective as well as general leftist ones? Cuz like already Popper isn't accounting for the fact that "scientific development" is dependent on how people are organized, right? Knowledge production is production after all. But what other arguments are there against this? And does Popper perhaps have a point?
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>>2819212
It's basically a strawman on his part. Marxists don't pretend to know the exact way history goes. Lenin and Stalin were writing on how an actual socialist state deals with progress in the technological and social dimensions extensively. He was free to polemicize but chose not to because it would compromise the typical anglo way of looking at the world:
>you can never take action to improve your country because how can you justify doing anything that has a destructive compoment
>us starving the population of Ireland to death is just the natural order of things, we didn't do anything teehee
and even then, the English state was involved in a lot of things like forcing vagrants into the factories, but it's still the natural order somehow.
It's being passive aggressive on a worldview level. The choice is between the capitalist class that is fundamentally incapable of planning and acting as a cohesive unit for any extended period of time and the working class that is capable of that - first through its party, then without it. We have seen what happens when his people are given total freedom and not even the anglos themselves seem to be thrilled at what happened.

complete pseud, the paradox isnt even a paradox if it has a seemingly convenient solution. its him and probably arendt that held back the social science atleast half a century

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>>2819212
>Historical determinism to predict future

I'm frankly too lazy to write an actual effort post, but the fundamental problem is that Popper has a tendency to:

<1. consider "pseudoscience" (i.e., unprovable claims) to be false

<2. treat Hegelian historicism as unfalsifiable and definite facts about the future
Neither of which are true. Marx isn't making a historicism. He's not saying that communism has to emerge with certainty in the post-capitalist world order. He's simply saying that the end of political development ends with communism.

Think of it this way: the state and its development change because of multiple conditions (a revolution, class conflict, instability, conquest, etc.). Now, when we look at the state, we can see that it mostly serves as a means to reproduce capitalist reified relations, to ensure property for a specific group of people.

As such, when the conditions that make the state change disappear, political development ceases. This isn't to say that event X can't happen under communism, or that regression is impossible, but that the conditions which create change in the first place (namely, class conflict) disappear. Marx radicalizes this idea by positing that the state, as it exists, only serves the purpose of protecting the class interests of the bourgeoisie, and that, as such, if communism does arise, the lack of class distinction will lead to the withering of the state.

Now, the reason why Marx claims that communism will likely arise is simply from a sociological standpoint: the globalization of the bourgeoisie and the creation of a capitalist hegemonic mode of production has converged toward the establishment of only two classes, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.
For instance, a feudal society like France in the Middle Ages had many classes and centers of power: it had the Church, the landed gentry, the bourgeoisie, the robe gentry (state admins and the king), the peasants, etc. Only one of them took power, leaving the rest to be subject to the now bourgeois power.
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>>2819701
I love mogging liberals who bring up that bitch Arendt by providing them with the quotes of her calling Africans subhuman monkeys and how she wrote in favour of segregation in America.

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