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>historians: the Byzantine Empire was LITERALLY ROMAN
<literally atheist "anti-fascist" westoids: nuh-uh, the Pope from 1200 years ago said it wasn't, so it wasn't
When Papal propaganda way past its political expiration date from 1200 years ago continues to affect the brains of people today who are neither Catholic nor ᴉuᴉlossnW-aligned, I must ask if I have been a fool all along, for thinking the truth ever mattered.
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Byzantium in effect contradicts the linear historical development model. That is, they preserved their productive forces, unlike the West, and furthermore, they "skipped" serfdom (at least until the Dynatoi won much later). So the "oh yeah the standard of living went to shit but hey the serfdom over slavery thing is technically progress, that's dialectics" model doesn't fit.
>>2671191
I want to reply to you honestly but I don't even know what to write. Do you want me to pull sources proving that private property was not "legal fiction"?

>>2672623
>You're basically just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks now.
Nah, you are just being evasive and not taking any definite position on anything. Your whole post was about how the Byzantine Greek Christians refused to merge with the Western Church out of some principle of not being subordinate to the West. Then you asserted that being under the Ottoman yoke was benign and superior to being under the West. Then you assert that the Ottomans were cruel tyrants.
>Doesn't change that "forcibly recruiting"
Yes, that is what we call conscription when we apply it to teenagers and young adults. Recruits were from 8 to 18 years old for the devshirme. The system was many centuries old and it was predictable. Take as comparison the conscription system of Imperial Russia in the 18th and 19th century, where forced military conscription in your late teens was a death sentence essentially, since you had to serve in the army for 25 years with almost no social mobility.
>I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. But I have a sneaking suspicion it is irrelevant to my point.
Your own words:
>Do you understand why the Byzantine populace rejected the Union of Florence, rejected help from the Pope against the Ottomans?
>.Byzantium wasn't the sacrificial lamb of European history so the West could survive.
>Point being, they literally revolted because they refused to give up their religious beliefs. Thereby "sacrificing" Byzantium.
Whatever it means it's not really coherent.
>Again, projection. The Ottomans (and Arabs, since it's literally Islamic law, jizya) levied an extra tax on non-Muslims. These people were worse off materially as a result. This is a FACT.
These taxes were often lower than what western Christians paid their own states. They were also graduated by income with demographics like women, monks etc. being exempted. Besides that, non-muslims were exempted from military service and paying zakat, and they had a lot of autonomy to tax and govern themselves as millets. Greeks and other minorities like Jews were important to trade, commerce, finance that the sultans found them indiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2672857
>populace didn't make those decisions. The Orthodox Church wanted to keep it's own power which required being separate from Catholics.
Firstly, the Church was the signatory. Except for bishop Mark of Ephesus. Secondly, it was precisely because of the laity's, monks' and lower clergy's resistance that the Union failed. Thirdly, you are getting your chronology wrong, as the Church keeping its power did happen after Constantinople was conquered, but there was no crystal ball to know that would be the outcome at the time of the Union. In conclusion, and I am literally repeating modern scholarship, they consciously chose "a lesser evil" in their spiritual self-interest.
>>2673455
>Nah, you are just being evasive and not taking any definite position on anything.
Because I am not interested in moralism, I'm interested in understanding the past as it were, and not as the West had revised it because it was inconvenient to its ideology. I am not a "Greek nationalist" as you immediately assumed the moment the Ottomans were brought up. The "Greek nationalists" are precisely the unwitting victims of the West's chauvinism towards Byzantium, they are compelled to spin the "defended Europe from the Muslims" narrative to "save face", precisely because they internalized the West's false "despot shithole" narrative.

Likewise, there is no need to whitewash the Ottoman Empire, as the Turkish nationalists do, reflexively because of Western chauvinism. Just as I am "rescuing" Byzantium by pointing out that it was materially remarkable (and truly it was, there is no lie), so should you "rescue" the Ottoman Empire, by pointing to its golden age. Not because we want a "return", but because we want to put an end to the chauvinism and falsehoods.

>>2669597
more roman than russia, less than romania

>>2670082
>Arguably it entered "early feudalism" with crisis of 3th century.
It's interesting to point out that Julius Caesar described Gaul society as suspiciously feudal. The commoners were treated "almost like slaves" by the nobles. I wonder if our assumptions of feudalism being temporaly tied to the Middle Ages is erroneous, and in fact, feudalism arises whenever you have a lack of a (strong?) state with currency, institutions, infrastructure, etc. and men equipped for violence take advantage of that.

Anon >>2669863 argues there is no difference between banditry and a state.

Thinking about it more, a king offering "protection" from bandits but nothing else, versus a state offering "protection" from bandits PLUS currency, institutions, infrastructure, social spending… It doesn't make sense to equate the two. It's reductive.

It's very hard to argue Byzantium's "feudal" turn was progress, and the "feudal" transformation was never truly complete as the state was still centralized and trade was still more developed compared to the West. Keep in mind, apparently, Byzantium's currency, the solidus, was possibly the world's first "global reserve currency" ("dollar of the Middle Ages"), defacto the coin of trade, showing up as far as Scandinavia and India, and apparently, it held the same value for 700 years.

Is the answer geography? What would have Byzantium developed into if it wasn't for the "feudal" turn and fall?


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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2673584
C'est quoi le rapport avec usul?

>>2673599
Tous les mêmes

>>2673622
Mdr OK, j'avoue je n'ai pas les histoires la mais je te crois

>>2674064
un débile random sort de nulle part et evoque une affaire des années 80 pour pleurer sur usul, et tu "le crois"?
je sais même ce qu'il essaye de dire, qu'usul est un pédophile? faut vraiment etre un droitardé obsédé par ses "enemis culturels" pour sortir des conneries pareilles

comment devenir gauchiasse ?


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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Luigi Lives Edition
<In other news, the country is run by pedophiles or something idk, go read the PDFs in the last thread

2025 had the highest number of deaths in ICE Detention since 2004, including the pandemic years when immigrants were dying in overcrowded conditions without gloves, mask, or hygiene upkeep, and December 2025 was the deadliest month on record

💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2674262
I heard he said that but I never saw it personally so I didn’t bring it up.

I remember him once pushing back on people pointing out that he came on a picture of Putin by saying “everyone CLAIMS I did that, but curiously none of them have any proof!” Only for an anon to immediately respond with a screenshot of the exact post with his name on it and the evidence of his cum tribute.

>>2674265
He self described "The only true communist here" and would get mad whenever I called him a third worldist because one of his most frequent refrains was "America must be destroyed" and that every single American was a willing collaborator with imperialism who should be killed. He'd get mad if I said that Communism would improve the average person's standard of living and would claim that anything other than total burger death is simply Nazism and wanting to "perfect imperialism" to "benefit the volk".

I once talked about how we should do more for Black people in the country and he accused me of "deracinating the volk" which I guess means "you're a Nazi but not racist"

>>2674281
And he really hates CPUSA for some reason saying they're fascists. I think that was the main reason he became obsessed with you?

>>2674239
>muh law of trickle down economics
give it a rest agent

>>2674283
He either hated the CPUSA 'cause of me or hated me 'cause of the CPUSA. He also thinks Anarchists are Fascists.


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>For the majority of Marxists, truth was truth no matter when and where it was known, and scientific knowledge, which included Marxism, accumulated historically as the advance of truth in this everyday sense. In this view, Marxism (or the Marxist theory of history and economics) did not belong to the illusory realm of the superstructure because it is a science
<In contrast, Gramsci believed Marxism was true in a socially pragmatic sense: by articulating the class consciousness of the proletariat, Marxism expressed the truth of its times better than any other theory.

What did he mean by this?
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>>2672829
>Is he wrong?
It's literally nonsense.

>>2672814
Only good thing ᴉuᴉlossnW did.
More seriously, going to jail doesn't make you right.

>>2672663
Gramsci bad

Another thread, another Glownonymous stinker.

>>2672663
He's basically saying Marxism is true because it pragmatically expresses the intuitions of the proletariat conceptually, like it only could become a thing because of the times it was formulated not that it was a scientific theory that could've theoretically existed in pre-modern times that was valid for all time like a mathematical equation.

>>2672849
>It's literally nonsense.
it literally isn't lol
>>2672832
two more weeks until entropy abolishes private property


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>tfw you get put into a made up state because the english left
>unlike india the english didn't even care about you
>tfw you're still recovering from the japanese invasion
>really smart ex communist socialist leader helps gets things together and switches sides from the japs to the anglos
>tfw your leader who unified your country dies just before independence
>your prime minister gets tried for murder
>its still unknown whether the guy who killed him was the prime minister of a rogue british intelligence group
>your party is being led by an idiot now
>tfw you live in the golden triangle of drug smuggling
>you have to be neutral because otherwise you'd be invaded from all sides
>he becomes an insane religious schizo later on
>he gets couped years later by a general
>a literal kmt insurgency in the northern states
>communist insurgency
>your general trusts mao until mao was proven to support the insurgency
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>>2620544
Wa is interesting because yeah the Bamar state doesn't even try to assimilate them the way they have with the Kachins, Rakhines and Karen.


If you're interested in more Myanmar statelets, Karenni IEC looks to be putting forward a fairly progressive governance system, at least on paper.
Also, after the KIO took over the rare earth mines in the North, they are basically at the stage of needing to become much more democratic as their base is getting pissed off that their landscapes are getting destroyed and want a limit of mining

>>2673413
Is there a map of Myanmar state politics
It's funny to see how they're fighting for our entertainment

It's called Burma actually.

>>2673432
Proof

>>2673432
different spelling, very same thing


 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Another Fried Day in the Burger Reich Edition

2025 had the highest number of deaths in ICE Detention since 2004, including the pandemic years when immigrants were dying in overcrowded conditions without gloves, mask, or hygiene upkeep, and December 2025 was the deadliest month on record

💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
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>>2672920
it is known

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>>2671791
>Caleb Maupin

>>2672901
I realize that I'm talking about the illuminati one.

>>2672897
If Epstein spent his time masturbating to FNAF porn instead of using his harem they must've been of poor quality tbqhdesu.

>>2672897
I'm sorry I don't follow the Talhmud for age of consent.
The honorable Elijah Muhammad suggested a man taking a women half his age + 7 years is appropriate.


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Reading Lenin's works in order is one of the most depressing things. By 1922 he basically admitted that the Soviet Union's state apparatus is a "bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch" and he previously described it as a state taken away (not smashed) from tsarism and "slightly anointed with Soviet oil."

<It is said that a united apparatus was needed. Where did that assurance come from? Did it not come from that same Russian apparatus which, as I pointed out in one of the preceding sections of my diary, we took over from tsarism and slightly anointed with Soviet oil?
<There is no doubt that that measure should have been delayed somewhat until we could say that we vouched for our apparatus as our own. But now, we must, in all conscience, admit the contrary; the apparatus we call ours is, in fact, still quite alien to us; it is a bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch and there has been no possibility of getting rid of it in the course of the past five years without the help of other countries and because we have been "busy" most of the time with military engagements and the fight against famine.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm
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Socialism is when communists steer capitalism towards its own self abolition, it's nothing new
Even marx spoke of this

>>2673484
>It must be recalled today that this passage is based on a misunderstanding. At that time – thanks to the Bonapartist and liberal falsifiers of history – it was considered as established that the French centralised machine of administration had been introduced by the Great Revolution and in particular that it had been used by the Convention as an indispensable and decisive weapon for defeating the royalist and federalist reaction and the external enemy. It is now, however, a well-known fact that throughout the revolution up to the eighteenth Brumaire c the whole administration of the départements, arrondissements and communes consisted of authorities elected by, the respective constituents themselves, and that these authorities acted with complete freedom within the general state laws; that precisely this provincial and local self-government, similar to the American, became the most powerful lever of the revolution and indeed to such an extent that Napoleon, immediately after his coup d’état of the eighteenth Brumaire, hastened to replace it by the still existing administration by prefects, which, therefore, was a pure instrument of reaction from the beginning. But no more than local and provincial self-government is in contradiction to political, national centralisation, is it necessarily bound up with that narrow-minded cantonal or communal self-seeking which strikes us as so repulsive in Switzerland, and which all the South German federal republicans wanted to make the rule in Germany in 1849.
<– Note by Engels to the 1885 edition.

>"Well, we have lived through a year, the state is in our hands, but has it operated the New Economic Policy in the way we wanted in the past year? No. But we refuse to admit that it did not operate in the way we wanted. How did it operate? The machine refused to obey the hand that guided it. It was like a car that was going not in the direction the driver desired but in the direction someone else desired; as if it were being driven by some mysterious, lawless hand, God knows whose, perhaps of a profiteer, or of a private capitalist, or of both. Be that as it may, the car is not going quite in the direction the man at the wheel imagines, and often it goes in an altogether different direction."
<V. I. Lenin, Eleventh Congress of the Russian Communist Party

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>>2673508
Skill issue

>>2673513
Unlike Deng, Lenin wasn't a liberal. So the triumph of liberalism wasn't what he was going for :\


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ICE are not fascists, they're simply lumpen and petit-bourgeoisie who want to work a simple job for a good salary. What makes most people join ICE is not being a fascist/nazi and wanting to destroy immigrants and POCs but simply being paid well enough to live a good life. This entire circus is to secure power for the pedophile government of America and as a whole the geopolitical pedophile governments of the west. Nobody is rising up despite civil wars having been had for less than this because society has been faggotified and sissified now with most citizens being deluded liberals who think they can fix thngs through reforms and civil disobedience marches and protests and violence only being very brief uncoordinated or sporadic acts of useless terrorism (adventurism). Fascists were never paid well for being fascists, freikorps fought for only food and water, the blackshirts were mostly hyped up hooligan youth, the nazis were disgruntled middle classers, the falange were disgruntled middle classers appealing to the lower class and such. ICE are simply like mercs, most of them do dirty deeds for good money and only few of them are politically motivated much like Wagner, you cannot blame Wagner, blame the bourgeois country that enables them, ICE and Wagner did nothing wrong they're simply acting in their class interests and do whats best for themselves and their relatives by earning a good wage. If you're anti-ICE you're a liberal, ICE are a symptom not the disease, the disease is your bourgeois government that you need to coordiante to coup but you're all too incomptenet and ideologically incoherent to do so and replace it with anything better, but at the very least your shitty coup and groupings that could do it would at least destabilize it for other international players to potentially involve themselves (China, Russia) who know the way of proper governance. So if you protest fuck you, you're for the status quo and get what you deserve for being a retarded activist.
DEATH TO THE WEST, YOU ALL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.
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>>2673306
>zigger who thinks Russia isn't in the west

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>violent lumpens hired as goons to protect elite pedophiles
yes, fascism.

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>>2673306
>They're not fascists, they're just fascists!
Riviting analysis


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The Japanese lower house election is underway, and all early reports indicate an overwhelming majority for the new prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. I guess just making your platform hating China works, especially if every poll shows youth support for her is in the 90%
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>>2671481
>but japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture.
Japanese youth love Tiktok but still have a negative perception of China. Also doesn't help the Left in China also happens to be anti-China except Reiwa Shinsengumi.

>>2671520
Stop learning about other countries from Twitter shitposts.

>>2671472
Japan's anti-China nature is not something that originated with capitalism as all the people here harping about the Meiji Restoration claim. Hideyoshi's ultimate goal was to subjugate China and stop it from being the cultural centerpiece of Asia, the Kokugaku movement was in the main a rejection of Chinese culture. This is something that goes beyond class, because its embedded within the Japanese identity itself. The Japanese national identity is first and foremost an expression of hatred of China.

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Takaichi's anti-China position is not meaningfully different from other anti-China LDP leaders who were deeply unpopular like Suga. I know people don't care about Japan aside from Sino-Japan relations here but Japanese people don't just seethe about the Chinese Dream all of their waking hours. What she makes a big deal about being a departure from previous LDP leaders really doesn't have much to do with China at all.
For example tourism from countries with stronger currencies than the Yen has been causing sharp price rises for a while and Takaichi capitalizes on this by pushing things like international tourist taxes, while previously the LDP just ignored this. She also makes a big deal about her working hours since the previous batch of LDP prime ministers were very old and were found sleeping through meetings and such.
So people see her as a diligent leader working around the clock on issues that were previously ignored, so they express approval.

>>2672966
You can't ignore that China played a big role. China is seen as economically buying land and resources from Japan and the LDP is doing nothing about it.
>Takaichi capitalizes on this by pushing things like international tourist taxes
In which she uses anti-China sentiment to push for it. Also the LDP ignored it because the liberal faction ran policy for four years.


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>>2673198
Read books they said


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