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>"Try Iran" Edition


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>>2701339
i think gavin is gen x

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>>2701329
>Account Name: End Wokeness
>Tweet: Gavin did a non-woke

>>2701329
Chuds are Becoming Woke
Woke is Becoming Chud
Dialectics

>>2701333
Guy in the middle looks confused



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Who created Christian Zionism? I have been studying the Bible recently and the topic and I cannot find anything in the New Testament that even hints at some future Jewish ethnic based kingdom. In fact zionism seems to contradict historic Christianity.
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>>2700594
Say what you will about his economics, but Sowell has some pretty interesting observations regarding social relations in America.

>>2700604
Haven't read that book but it's my understanding that Sowell is a conservative economist who asserts that black Americans and the white Scots-Irish descendants are basically the same people shaped by an honor culture. Personal reputation and respect matters and you don't take insults lying down. In Trump's base you can get this combination of suspicion about spreading "democracy" which is perceived as isolationaist but they will enthusiastically support military force if it's perceived as restoring our image as being badasses who you don't want to mess with. The Scots-Irish settled in buffer zones between the established settlements and Indian country in part because of their reputation for violence. This was also the social base for Andrew Jackson, and political historians have referred to the Jacksonian tradition in American politics. That contributes to supporting Isreal now because they're perceived as being in the same "Judeo-Christian" "tribe." I guess there was a lot of ideological work done to make that seem natural even if that's not how people would've thought about it in the 18th century.

On this book about the American Revolution, an interesting thing about it is that it reads like a social / political conflict within the same empire that radicalized as England tried to tighten political control. The Boston Massacre was a soccer hooligan riot that you'd see in peripheral armpit cities in the U.K. / Northern Ireland which got out of control basically. It wasn't initially about independence but that's how previous social conflicts within this society about rights of commoners got sublated up to another level.

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>>2681297
which is an extremely retarded reading of the new testament and book of revelations which is just an anti roman imperialist critique in the language of jewish apocalyptic prophecy

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THE “CHRISTIAN” COLONIALIST STATE CALLED ISRAEL

The Zionist settlers should listen to Sayyed and leave so called israel . Sayyed seems to know the root of the problem, and the solution to this problem; and he has warned the settlers to stop being part of this endeavor and to leave the place if they want security and safety, because there is no security and safety in the temporary state. Sayyed added they should do this as soon as possible because there will come a time when they will not be able to leave . Sayyed seems to bring up the fact that what is in store for israelis is what was in store for the Vietnamese agents to the US when the US decided to withdraw after it was defeated by the Viet Cong and left behind thousand of agents to their fate .
The truth is that the problem that very few are bringing up is that of the foundation of the usurping state, and how it was founded and who founded it, and the role of the Jews in all this .The owners of the project of israel are not the Jews , they are the colonialists, and the colonialists imposed it on the Jews who rejected it and refused it at first before some notorious Jews accepted it and embarked on it and made most Jews embark on it .
Many sources say -including Chomsky -that israel was conceived in the sick minds of European Christians. This is where the concept of israel took birth and developed. It is a Christian concept ; and this concept had to go through racism and anti Semitism and wait for the 2nd world war in order to materialize. The European colonialists- together with the Nazis- started this endeavor before some Jews signed up for it under colonial pressure . The Europeans segregated against the Jews , and the Nazis persecuted them, after which – and due to which- the colonialists sought to protect the Jews – so to speak- and shelter them by sending them to Palestine, a place that they could claim because of historical and religious reasons and where they could be protected . But this is only in appearance .The truth is that the israeli endeavor is but an updated version of the crusades of the medieval times; it is a Christian colonial endeavor that seeks to take possession of what the Christians think is theirs which is Jerusalem and what is considered to be the Holy Land where Jesus Christ lived and died on the cross. The Jews here are only a cover and a useful tool .
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>be me
>ugly chud with nazi beliefs
>go to palestine rally
>tell lefty foids i'm a gay abo farmer who is visiting city
>get their numbers
>text one: "I'll give you a proper welcome to cuntr and decolonise your holes"
>she replies where are you?
>staying at my sisters house i reply
>she comes over
>we fuck, nut inside her, call her a white dog while fucking
>mfw she was a bit fat but we got kfc after

>>2691571
this happened
i was the gay abo farmer's boyfriend.

Darl, it's time for your daily news report on nationalism
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australia-national-pride-pew-report/0nv0le4l0

<A quarter of those it surveyed in Australia said the "mateship" they feel with other Australians, as well as how they "lend a hand" in times of need, such as natural disasters, were a source of pride.

<One Australian woman responded that she was proud of mateship and community spirit: "Australians are known for their friendliness, resilience, and willingness to help each other, especially in tough times."

<Australia's social programs were also mentioned by those surveyed — particularly Medicare. One man responded: "Free universal health care would be my #1 point of pride in Australia."


<The report said people mentioned the contributions and "rich cultural history" of Australia's Indigenous people as well as "how welcoming the country is to immigrants and to all nationalities and religions".


<Australia's systems of governance and politics were also a source of national pride for 21 per cent of those surveyed.

<In fact, our political system was among the top three mentioned when people were asked about their source of pride.

<Australians, along with Spaniards, were also proud of their way of life, praising their "relaxed" nature of the lifestyle, and "being able to live a relatively carefree life".


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>>2697220
>"Free universal health care would be my #1 point of pride in Australia."
I would also be proud if that existed here.

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AAAAAAAA

There are socialists EVERYWHERE. There are socialists around you who you DONT EVEN KNOW are red. It's amazing how many I've found by complete accident, like little glistening rocks in the earth.
I am going to FIND YOU and BE FRIENDS WITH YOU.



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The notion of a vanguard is not a notion of a political elite, though it can decay into one, but rather it is a notion of a highly developed strata of professional revolutionaries who guide the proletariat simply because of the fact that they had better access to political education. Sometimes this is described as "the most advanced section of the proletariat" but we often find not merely highly educated and motivated proletarians in the vanguard, but also plenty of bourgeois class traitors in (Engels), class traitors from the nobility (Felix Dzerzhinsky, Zhou Enlai) peasants (Lenin, Mao), the child of a plantation owner (Castro), and petty bourgeoisie (Marx himself, at least the young Marx, before his exile and relative poverty and England).

In the 19th century and early 20th century, this vanguard naturally contained many class traitors, since political education was rarely extended to the working class. Marx had maids, even in his apartment in London, and Lenin employed housekeepers even in his exile to a cabin in Siberia. This was a group of unusually educated professional revolutionaries who did so much reading, so much writing, so much public speaking, and attended so many meetings, that they did not have time to cook their own meals, do their own laundry, wash their own dishes, and could not have done so even if they wanted to. They needed help with basic domestic tasks from the very workers they wanted to liberate.

Today it is different. The worker can listen to the entire Marxist-Leninist canon as audiobooks while attending to the menial tasks which occupy daily life, both at work and at home. The worker can publish their thoughts to a site such as this easily, without needing access to a publishing company or a printing press. A worker can attend a party meeting in the form of a video call, while driving. This enables the worker to be every bit as involved in the theoretical half of the class struggle (reading theory, writing theory, speaking publicly, attending meetings) as they already were in the practical half of the class struggle (working, striking, fighting, dying). This calls into question whether the vanguard is the individual in a suit sitting in an office publishing theses against bourgeois rivals while servants bring tea and warm meals, or whether the vanguard is the individual who listens to Marx and Lenin while washing dishes.
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>>2700929
are you the same anon in the other thread who said all these exact same things and then concluded that we need to bring back roman slavery?


>>2701160
There’s not gonna be an alternative when nukes fly and the entire population of the global south is forced northward and oil runs out

>>2700837
Marx and Engels were never the vanguard, and as far as Lenin and the other key figures of the RSDLP who lived in exile, they were not even close to the whole vanguard. The real vanguard was sleeping on the floor of poor workers' homes while organizing study circles among factory workers. They were smuggling literature, setting up clandestine printing presses piece by piece, forging documents to get comrades across state lines or out of prison, etc. I agree broadly though that in the modern day we don't need saviors from a higher class, since literacy is widespread. Just from the more educated, literate, and politically lucky among the working class. All of the past revolutions can be thought of as nationalist first and communist second. The only one that doesn't fit this mold so well is the Russian revolution, but if you look from the point of view of the soldiers calling for peace before they're wiped out and peace is settled by terms set by Germany, and the bourgeoisie was calling for Germany to come save them from revolution, and even the bourgeoisie were attempting to kill the bourgeois revolution and were against a republic, it makes more sense that while the previously small and relatively junior bolsheviks did take the reins of the situation, the people who gave them their power, the soldiers, peasants, and workers, were not communist first.

>>2700882
The coming communist sneakernet will be glorious and unstoppable

>>2700895
The guy who got kicked in the head by a horse is the vanguard if he picks up a gun. You're conflating the ideological leadership with the vanguard as a whole.

>" Specifically, I wholly agree with you that special stress should be laid on the tasks connected with the work on an all-Russian scale and with the work of the Party as a whole; in your draft this is expressed in Clause One, which reads: “The newspaper Iskra, which has permanent correspondents among the workers and close contact with the work within the organisation, is the leading centre of the Party (and not only of a committee or a district).” I should merely like to remark that the newspaper can and sho
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>>2701393
communism isnt an ideology

>All of the past revolutions can be thought of as nationalist first and communist second

lol yeah i "can" also "think of" things as something entirely different, wouldnt change the actual reality of it though

>The only one that doesn't fit this mold so well is the Russian revolution

oh you mean the only one that led to an actual DOTP? interesting!



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2652722
>It makes sense, then, that someone who was once a part of those highly authoritarian leftist spaces would end up falling into the authoritarian right
Not really. It would make more sense to seek out more libertarian spaces as a reaction.

>>2667390
>>2666790
How did you find them?

>>2699619
I found Bella Dodd’s great-grandniece from one of her mother’s Facebook posts where she said Bella Dodd was her great-aunt. I cyberstalked her from there and saw that her daughter is now an influencer. People need to be way more aware of how much info about themselves they put online.

>>2661687
See this is what people mean, like you can support Palestine without trying to connect two radically different issues, also the Palestinian resistence blueprint has been an objective failure more or less

>>2649156
>there was a trend of ex-Jacobins who flipped to the Holy Alliance against Napoleon
any specific examples of books about this?



 

I find it especially ironic that Islamists, who claim to be reactionaries yet are nothing but impotent conservatives: the loyal servants of of capital, have exacerbated the social ills of bourgeois society which they claimed to oppose.

Islamists in my country used to attack communists for "promoting prostitution" and the "community of women" (women owned in common) this was refuted by Marx as early as the Manifesto who pointed to the hypocrisy of this accusation, nevertheless what happened once Islamists captured power with the backing of multinational capital and the petty bourgeoisie? Public prostitution became prevalent and organized, an underground industry run by this new bourgeoisie. Religious cities became brothels that people cross oceans for, with the blessings of God and law - prostitution became holy "temporary" marriage, a market fueled by endless victims of poverty, austerity and war.

As for private prostitution (marriage) civil marriage was de facto abolished and with it any concessions offered to the woman, communists used to rally against the payment offered to the woman's family to consummate the marriage arguing that it is a form of commodification, this has now became the standard practice, cementing the woman's role as a commodity first, prompting her to rot until she is inevitably sold rather than take her own path in life.

The separation of genders have twisted the view of women to be mere objects of sexual gratification rather than real conscious beings. This view twisted further by pornagrahy; the consumption rates of which is amongst the highest in the world despite being banned and labelled taboo. Naturally the rates of harassment and rape have also increased despite bullying women into suppressing their every feminine character.

I suppose eventually it became convenient to lift any ostensible restrictions around this commodity, and so the age of marriage was lowered to 9 in order to save them from degeneracy of celibacy.

Now believe me when I say I don't shutter at the 'immorality and injustice' of any of this for the commodification of women and children is entirely within the logic of capitalism, in this extreme case it has only been elevated into a more public form under the guise of God, the only way to abolish it remains to be by abolishing all class distinctions.

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>>2679542
It's funny how the Soviet Union in WW2 fought for the same objectives as the Tsarist empire in WW1 that the great revolution negated before it crumbled.

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>>2677308
>>2677314
I'm Pakistani and I will say that the Afghans and my nation would have better off with the Russians, we'd be semi-civilized and on par with central-asia then the shitholes we are right now

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>>2677308
>How's the Soviets killing a billion Afghan to save le democracy
>killing a billion
1. kys
2. madeup number
3. the US funded osama bin laden and right wing freaks in afghanistan to overthrow the socialist government in kabul, who then asked 3 times (!) for soviet support before the soviets reluctantly acquiesced… then, the same fucking bourgeois real estate freak (Bin Laden) that the CIA funded to overthrow socialism in Afghanistan got about 20 dudes, most of them saudi, to do terror attacks in America, prompting America to invade… Afghanistan….

the only equation you should be making between the soviet "invasion" of Afghanistan prompted by Operation Cyclone and the US invasion of Afghanistan is that they were both America's fault.

>>2677319
>made up greentext
>ragebait assertion
>taking bourgeois propaganda at face value



 

This is the only logical way of understanding the Chomsky-Epstein controversy and what it means for us on the left, and I will die on this hill.

The worst thing Chomsky did was go against his anarchist principles by being friends with a billionaire pervert. There is zero evidence he did anything criminal himself. No woman has come forward and said Chomsky did anything to her on Epstein Island. Chomsky gave Epstein advice on how to defend himself from the media because they were friends and Chomsky believed his friend (no matter how awful of a person he was) was innocent. That’s not a valid reason to cancel someone or Chuck out their lifetime of work.

Let’s be honest: a lot of the stuff said about Epstein is dubious at best. There’s no solid evidence he was a Mossad agent luring in high-ranking global elites in order to get blackmail material on them on behalf of Israel. Not only does this narrative completely ignore capitalism and class interest, but it’s not supported by much. For one thing, most of the girls Epstein was having sex with were over 18. Yes, sone were underage, but it’s most likely they lied about their ages the same way underage groupies in the 1970s lied about their ages in order to bang rock stars. I don’t deny Epstein was a disgusting sleazeball, but he wasn’t some three-headed Illuminati alien sacrificing babies to Satan. There’s also no evidence of Epstein ever being a pimp. None of the women he trafficked have said he was pumping them out to others. One woman, Virginia Giuffre, has made multiple claims that haven’t been substantiated yet the media takes as gospel truth. Some of the things said in the files are so outrageous it’s hard to believe them. Look at it with skeptical eyes.

But back to Chomsky: his work is now being thrown out by 99% of the left precisely because the left operates on a very rigid moralism. They will dogpile on anyone for every single little thing. Modern leftist spaces have no leaders and no real structure, so they’re unable to resolve any internal conflict in any other way than mob justice. This is a huge problem that needs to be addressed and solved.

Is there a way to hold Chomsky accountable for being friends with Epstein without demanding comrades burn his books? There should be.
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>>2701046
the unnecessary palestine flag attached to this post adds a bit of extra spice to the bait but it also gives the bait away, you can tell it's meant to be bit

Am I the only one who’s sick and tired of the Epstein shit turning into the left embracing the Great Man of History nonsense?

>>2700359
This. How is Epstein any different from #metoo?

>>2702299
Because Epstein was a global conspiracy.

Chomsky is petite bourgeois which is why all the anarchists he lead follow the legacy of petite bourgeois.



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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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>>2698791
We should do a joint fund, in the name of leftypol, for the flotilla, raise a decent amount?

>>2699043
Cuckold won't do jackshit, Lukashenko invade Russia NOW!!!!1

>>2700701
>The vessel Sea Horse, expected to arrive in early March, is carrying much-needed fuels to Cuba, according to data from maritime intelligence firm Kpler Ltd. The country is short on fuels critical for cooking, transportation and power generation, with it literally struggling to keep the lights on. Available electricity has plummeted since the start of the year and satellite imagery found the level of light at night is down as much as 50%.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/cuba-bound-tanker-carrying-russian-fuels-to-test-trump-blockade

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>>2699053
Cuba has installed 49 solar parks donated by China into its electrical grid. This now accounts for 20% of all of Cuba's electricity generation. All in a year's work. China also donated a lot of solars panels so that people can put them on their houses or businesses. Transport is still a problem because it takes time to build the charging infrastracture for EV.




 

We can draw parallels with the interbellum period. The rotten liberal European regimes trying to appease brooding fascism (be it Nazi Germany or the disunited ssnakkkess of crackmerikkka), letting the rabid dogs of imperialism get away with more and more ridiculous demands, every state on the way to the Bastion of Communism (the USSR or PRC) falling like dominoes (Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Rumania, Bolgaria/Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Venezuela) but in the end, wars are not decided by vibes and shit, by flashes and thunders, wars are not decided by kidnapping figure-heads, but by the capacity of industrial production. And when it comes to that, the US is doomed to lose.

The emperor is fully naked. It is always darkest before dawn, Minerva's owl flies only at dusk.
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>>2700518
you don't understand. You watching Nazi Germany prepare to go up against the USSR. Whatever happens in between, this has already been decided on. USA loses to China. Imperialism is over.

>>2700471
the cope for that is "false consciousness", not imperialism

>>2700471
>why the vast majority of the working class has never supported the communist project.
1/6 of the world's population lived under communist projects at its peak, and that was the first time communism tried the whole "international proletarian dictatorship" thing.

>>2700521
whose the USSR?

>>2700537
False consciousness is not cope



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ok so what does dictator ship of the proletariat mean? Because it sounds like the working people of the country are the dictatorship and make the decisions, which really means that it’s… representative democracy? but we havethat already?
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>>2700533
if you want a serious answer go read state and revolution by lenin

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Theres the historical way it plsyed out pragmatically and what marx meant. Back in marx day he got the inspiration because if the paris commune where workers seized the loom factories and ran them collectively for a short period of time before they got shot.

>>2700668
Dat pic is peak historical illiterate meme

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>>2700564
>Marx spoke of a stateless society, that should be your first clue that he didn't imply any form of nation-state is necessary.

>>2700668
>Back in marx day he got the inspiration because if the paris commune
Marx was already writing for decades when the paris commune happened. manifesto was in 1848. capital was in 1867. paris commune was in 1871. marx was supportive but also critical of the paris commune, and the mistakes which caused it to fail.



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