/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2883855
This is a very cool webm. I especially enjoy the red background the artistic representation of an luminescent red movement and find it to be an incredible artistic representation.

The Austrian School begins with Carl Menger (1840–1921), who after beginning his economic study in 1867, published the "Principles of Economics" (1871), which at the time was not widely received. It was only with later works from 1883-4 that he gained attention in a dispute entitled the "methodology struggle" (Methodenstreit), where the "Austrian" School also gained it's namesake. In the same year we get the early works of both Böhm-Bawerk and Wieser, who are its earliest representatives.

We read in James Bonar's "The Austrian Economists and their View of Value" (1888) the direct comparison between Jevons' and Mengers' theory of value. Indeed, Wieser takes Jevons' "final degree of utility" and from it crafts the term "marginal utility" (1884) to mean the same thing. Menger illustrates the same principle but in less eloquent (e.g. formal) terms, and so this stands. In approaching the so-called "Neoclassical" and "Austrian" Schools, what stands between them? Wieser in "The Austrian School and the Theory of Value" (1891) claims that Jevons' view is a "narrower view" of price and value, where value only manifests as price, while to Austrians, value expresses something intrinsic to our experience.

We must start with Menger's "Principles" (1871), which begins with a consideration of causation (Ch. 1, Sct. 1). A thing which is known to have the capacity to satisfy a human need is called a "useful thing" (Nützlichkeiten), which if it may be commanded, is a "good". All goods have a goods-character (Güterqualität). Goods may either be "true" or "imaginary" in their means to satisfy, and thus, goods-character is not arbitrary. The nature of goods can be given in "relationships" (Verhältnisse), as well as individual items. Menger resolves that goods are of two kinds: (i) material goods, and (ii) useful human in/activity; e.g. labour and its product. Causal connections may be seen between goods (Ch. 1, Sct. 2), such that what is directly consumed in bread is a result of goods which indirectly cause our satisfaction (e.g. flour). What is directly consumed is thus a good "of the first order", while what is indirect is of the second/third/fourth, etc. order. The more orders of good, the more indirect causes, and so the greater the process of production, which henceforth corresponds to a greater length of time in production (Ch. 1, Sct. 4). Goods which belong to the same order as each other are "complementary goods", and these are used to create goods oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Rupert Lowe's economic prescriptions for the UK:
https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/the_wealth_of_our_nation

• Return to the administration of >1997, when GDP was made up by 33% public spending, rather than 45% today.
  
• Triple lock pensions will be ended, and will only trace from CPI (e.g. the rate of general inflation). Immigrants will not be able to claim benefits. Rates of working age benefits will be fixed at 2025/6 levels.
  
• The Bank of England will be re-nationalised.
  
• QUANGOs will be reviewed by ministers.
  
• Only national citizens will be able to use the NHS freely, while immigrants will have to pay. Private healthcare will be made tax-deductible. NHS management will operate more like a business to improve internal efficiency.
  
• Schools will be exempt from VAT. Private schools will be tax deductible at the marginal rate of income tax.
  
• Taxes will be simplified by abolishing sin taxes related to climate change. Inheritance tax and stamp duty will also be abolished. VAT will be lowered to 18%. Personal allowance will be raised to £16,000 and the basic rate of income tax (20%) will extend from £16,001–£100,000. Corporation tax will only be given after £50,000 profits.
  
• Ultimately, the public is said to save £180 Billion (10%).
  
  

The screed of this document is in its opening remarks, where Lowe compares the UK to the USSR by directly calling it a "corporatist command economy". The text is interspersed by various ideological oppositions to the red scare of Socialism - despite this, Lowe is not quite a grand economic reformer, essentially seeking a return to the late 1990s, and not smashing the state, of which he feigns so much about. His milquetoast suggestions are hardly notable, besides the idiocy of his position on VAT. To make the case clear, his proposals are said to save £20 Billion, and if we say that 40 Million people pay VAT, this amounts to £500/y, or £1.40 a day. These are average numbers, and so scaled by consumption. It is the richest who pay most VAT per capita, and so lower earners hardly save £0.50 a day - worst is its crippling of public power by a non-marginal empowerment of the private sector. It is quite literally a lose-lose policy to lower VAT a smidge, and it would be a win-win to raiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

According to Ricardo, the law of Value is only present where there is free competition between producers, which then determines the prices of commodities as costs of production (e.g. minimum prices), as opposed to "monopoly prices", which are the maximum, based in a competition between customers. Menger concurs that monopoly leads to the highest marginal price. We see Engels as early as 1843 describe the monetary system as a "monopoly", which would then mean that money as an asset has no value, even if it has costs of production. We also see Gesell (1916) bemoan the liberals for a free market of all things besides money. Aristotle writes that money's worth is based on the fiat of the state, and we see that this continues into the Roman system, which attempted to fix prices relative to its fiat currency. Fixing exchange rates by regulating prices is also seen in the Ancient Near East by explicit law codes setting the value of various labours relative to precious metals like silver.

Marx himself (1867) remarks that the ancients did not adequately treat money as a commodity, and that this was the problem, since the law of value undermined the conspiracies of the ruling class to defraud the general public - we see this apparent law of value active from Gresham's Law, theorised as early as Copernicus (1513), who wrote that the standard of coinage tends toward its lowest grade of metal, yet this only pertains to domestic coin, which by influence of increased velocity must be debased. Marx also concurs that added velocity lowers the value of money, and here is the first issue of seeing money as a "value". We read that Copernicus holds to a need for shift in the exchange rate based in the quantity of money (e.g. capacity of trade), and this can only be effected by treating money relative to a prior calculation rather than the market setting a rate. The gold standard in Britain was itself accidentally set by the fixing of rates by Newton in 1717, and so the manual accounting of the exchange rate reveals a system of monopoly. If money can simply be fixed at a certain rate, then why did Rome struggle to keep its price controls against merchants? If fiat should decide, the nominal should become real, like the breath of life given to the image of God, yet as it is evident, like a simulation of Narcissus' watery reflection, it is really substanceless, and so drowns its captivators. Hollowness can preserve an external image, but as the brittleness of a shell prPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Here is the 3rd Edition of my English translation of Antoine Montchrétien's "Treatise on Political Economy" (1615). This book is known for inventing the neologism "Political Economy", which in its context, refers to the principles of oikonomia (οἰκονομία) applied to the state (πόλις), and so displaying continuity between the economic and political. This sense of primacy enters the third estate into consideration, which as Montchrétien has it, elevates the Mechanical Arts to the importance of the Liberal Arts. We see a difference of this view from the ancients, who from Aristotle to Cicero, saw the Mechanical Arts as "unnatural" and only fit for lower orders. This book is then reflective of capitalist modernity - and is the birth of Political Economy.

I dont get it, council communism just sounds like anarchism with extra steps

>>2891649
How is it like anarchism

>>2891037
ok but how is this non-immediate immediacy supposed to look like when you are in lenin's shoes? if it doesnt mean stopping using money immediately, then lenin would still have had to have established state capitalism, but i guess now the idea to spend time creating some communes here and there?

>>2891661
I *think* (not that anon, but familiar with Neel's work) the idea is that you just have to never stop trying to take it as far as it can go and let it die. I am quite possibly missinterpreting, but the takeaway I get is that it would have been more productive if Russian revolution died a bloody death trying to push it forward than for it to re-constitute itself as a self-protecting project. Idea being that in its death, it would have contributed to building the movement by creating more hardened remnants. He talks about it in his Theory of the Party that the worst thing an ephemeral communist party could do is to become obsessed by its own survival or to glorify itself as the be-all end-all of the communist project. Basically, I think he envisions it as a recurrent tide that grows stronger or weaker that at some point will be strong enough.

>>2891570
Worth noting that the exponential aspect can be reset, as it was over our last century. We are now among the wreckages of the movement, about in the same place as in pre-Marxian times.

>>2891640
Interview he did here
https://terrabayt.com/dusunce/english/crisis-capital-and-hell-on-earth-an-interview-with-phil-neel/
>>2891661
Phil acutally gives a bit of Leninist critique in the next paragraph:
>That said, I’m not a communization theorist. I do not like the framework or the term. I do not think there is anything special about our era that makes us any more (or less) prone to building communism today than we were in the past, though perhaps the possibility becomes more clearly visible or more necessary. I certainly draw a lot of influence from theorists associated with the current, but that’s simply because they are good, interesting, and rigorous Marxist thinkers. As for myself, I consider myself an entirely orthodox communist. That includes both the Marxian aspect, as well as the sequence of practical lessons learned in the long history of struggle and elaborated in theories of revolutionary organization. In this respect, I think many within the communization current do not focus enough on the frictions that arise in the pragmatic process of building power in a hostile world, even if they do a great job of symptomatizing the limits faced by existing uprisings and relating them to large-scale, structural trends. In other words, while they’re very good Marxists, they’re often not very good Leninists.

>It is necessary to think quite hard about the likely sequence of social transformation, the forms of revolutionary organization that would be needed to channel that process, and the geopolitical, administrative, and economic demands placed on any revolutionary force that emerges and holds any territory. In this regard, we still do not have any better living examples than the saga of the Soviet Union, the protracted people’s war in China, and the struggle for survival by isolated revolutionary states like Cuba. These are also case studies in the extreme ways that revolutionary societies can degenerate, either into bizarre chimeras like North Korea or, more conventionally, by melting back into the liberal order, as in Russia anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2891368
>We need them to do that in the imperial core, not the periphery
the whole reason the imperial core created israel in the first place was to colonize the middle east. theodor herzl literally envisioned israel as a "bulwark agains the east" for europe. he was always a german colonist with jewish characteristics. now zionism has evolved to be an american-funded thing and a lot of american bourgeois criminals just convert to judaism if they weren't already and flee to israel where they can steal land in the west bank. it's a repeat of manifest destiny and lebensraum. one day people are going to realize the bourgeoisie just changes ethnic/religious disguises whenever they're done looting one place and need to take over another. this keeps normies distracted over which race/ethnicity is in charge (its da wytes vs. its da jooz) without doing anything about the underlying mode of production. there is no fundamental difference between a british soldier in india 120 years ago, a US colonist stealing native land 200 years ago, and an zionist settler stealing land in the west bank now. it's all a big joke and race to the bottom anyway because we're cooking the planet and running out of fuel and it won't be worth living on anymore. these guys are just setting themselves up to be king of the junkyard after everything falls apart, because they cannot envsion or act to create a better world.

what is it with people thinking that south america is this pristine untouched frontier that wasn't conquered and colonized by the white european spanish and portuguese empires 600 years ago? the indigenous cultures are long gone, all that's left of them is a scattered handful of dark-skinned people whom the majority of latin america view as filthy subhuman vermin. it's like all the bullshit between white spanish argentines and white english falkland islanders arguing about who the islands really belong to, two street hooligans standing over the corpse of a man they beat to death with baseball bats arguing over which one gets to keep his watch.

>>2891315
Millei is a cuck.
Only answer is to not allow any israeli nationals into your country.
I would go further and ban NYC, LA, and Miami too just to be safe.

>>2891514
There are still indigenous people in LATAM. Most has been lost, yes, but they remain. Around 40% of people in Guatemala are Mayas. Bolivia is full of indigenous people too.

>>2891366
everybody there already hates them and they can't even blame it on "muh deep-seated historical antisemitism" lol

>>2890348
i wish i could spit fire like squirrel

>>2881505
But was it really worth all the poor proles (US/IDF soldiers, Blackwater mercs) dying?

>>2890348
finally we have vijay prasah. did delcy sell out venezuela?

Lol fell for it

>>2890348
ropefuel but probably true

Third person dies at New Jersey immigration detention center
A nurse responded when Chajón-Raxón experienced a medical emergency and “witnessed Chajón-Raxón experiencing seizure-like activity”, according to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Medical personnel were called, and he was transported to a hospital, the DHS said in a statement shared with the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/13/immigrant-dies-delaney-hall-new-jersey

ACLU Says New Flock Camera Guardrails Nothing But a ‘Thinly Veiled PR Attempt’
Flock on Thursday unveiled new guardrails for its law enforcement customers, including a reduction in default license plate data retention from 30 days to seven, mandatory auditing tools designed to flag suspicious searches, and requirements that officers associate searches with case numbers.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aclu-flock-guardrails

‘Unprecedented, dangerous territory’: US north-west reckons with a summer of historic wildfires
More than 2.9m acres (1.1m hectares) have already burned across Washington and Oregon this year, as extreme conditions fuel fast-moving fires that have draped the region in toxic plumes for weeks on end. Oregon has already logged more burned acreage this year than any in recorded history. Washington, meanwhile, is in the midst of its most destructive fire season.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/us-wildfires-pacific-north-west

‘Outrageous’: Trump Officials Investigated Left-Wing Groups After Alex Pretti Killing in Minneapolis
As The New York Times reported, days after Pretti was killed in the street as he tried to help a woman who had been violently pushed by the agents, the DHS office in St. Paul opened an investigation into groups including the climate-focused Sunrise Movement, major labor groups like the AFL-CIO and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the Democratic Socialists of America, and a collective called Direct Action Minnesota Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Short remark on IHL Day
On the occasion of IHL Day yesterday, the Party and the New People’s Army reaffirm its commitment to uphold the National Democratic Front of the Philippine’s “Declaration of Adherence to International Humanitarian Law” (August 15, 1991) in waging revolutionary armed struggle to fight for national liberation from US imperialism and end the oppressive and exploitative rule of the puppet ruling classes.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/short-remark-on-ihl-day/

(TrueAnon)Episode 559: Deadpool
Gambling week rolls on as we talk about the future of prediction markets, pump.fun bounty calls, insider trading, and more.
https://www.patreon.com/TrueAnonPod/posts/unlocked-episode-166577259

July 27, 2023: Idiots, No Longer Useful by Boris Kagarlitsky
“They can, but we can’t.” We had to repeat this for many months, when left-wing and liberal oppositionists were detained and sent to trial for the mere word “war” uttered in connection with military operations on the territory of Ukraine, while Igor Strelkov and his associates criticized words of the military leadership, complained about defeats at the front, and talked openly about the terrible state of affairs in military units. Of course, they got away with it because they did not question the very need for military action. At first, Putin was not called by name and was not directly scolded. The government was reproached only for not being severe enough. With regard to Ukraine, they strictly adhered to the opinion that a country with such a name should not exist. But everything has changed. On July 21 at 11:30 they came for Strelkov, FSB officers detaining the founder of the Angry Patriots Club. Earlier, charges were brought against retired colonel Vladimir Kvachkov, another well-known member of the Club. He is to be punished for discrediting the Russian army. Angry Patriots can justly be accused of aggressiveness and bloodthirstiness (and against the background of his comrades-in-arms, Strelkov is even one of the most moderate). Yet their main problem is not with their views per se, but in their monstrous political naivety and economicPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2891624
China is multiple times bigger than the usa both in population and density, and they're filled with cctvs, finding videos of random accident is stupid easy, pretty much every country with more than 10 million has one murder/kidnapping every day if you look at the entire population.

>>2855296
Recently in Australia Chinese shopkeeper worked hard.
Unemployed youths (a statistical metrix caused by Chinese 'working hard') bash him and accidentally kill him.

>>2891630
There is a sad dark irony of Chinese being accidentally killed by reactionists especially when most Chinese that actually cause problems are the selfish ones, not the heroic ones.

>>2855385
>Drugs are good and necessary for the productive forces needed to build communism. Do you think people can do the 12-14 hour without cocaine or meth?
>>2858156
>8 hour workday would've been practically impossible for people to stomach without coffee

Clocks + Indoor Workplaces + Stimulants = Dehumanized animatronic workers with disrupted circadian rhythms

>>2891308
Chatgpt ass map

>>2890443
In persom does not compare with photos, I will go to the one in the south next year. Will not go to the one in 2028 tho since its not total

>>2891277
Hasn't this been attempted before?

>>2891363
China and Cuba have been quietly expanding their coop sectors if Richard Wolff is to be believed

Anyways, half of this question should be answered with a history book in hand, but I dont have that data. But regardless, iirc there are many academic studies that show cooperatives can be more competitive than regular firms. In principle it makes sense, since a pyramidal system with some random dude at the top and different layers of PMC at the bottom seems less rational than an actual board of administrators that can check and balance each other and which are subject to change in case of failure.

Yes but the moment it is actually building up the state will put down it's boot on your neck.

We're allowed some coops to use as proof that there is some economic liberty present, the moment it means anything else it's bonebreaking time

>>2891048
Market competition itself creates winners and losers; the logic of debt and profit inevitably recreates capitalist conditions. The Yugoslav experience demonstrates that this leads to conflict between cooperative managers and the workers within those cooperatives—who may blackmail the rest of society by manipulating prices and pressuring the state to relax regulations, thereby facilitating exploitative dynamics that restore typical capitalist relations. Furthermore, there is the conflict involving the many unemployed and indebted workers from failed cooperatives who require constant state intervention. Another issue is the rise of nationalist opportunists who exploit the individualism fostered by competing cooperatives to deceive the masses. A crisis is inevitable; just as the Proudhonists in the Paris Commune—through the very process of practice—transformed into Marxists and spontaneously abolished the cooperative market, a similar shift toward economic planning occurred within the CNT-FAI in Catalonia. This proves that there is no stable state of competing cooperatives; such a situation inevitably generates conflict that leads either to the restoration of typical private capitalist relations or to the nationalization and coordination of these cooperatives under an economic plan designed to meet the population's needs and ensure remuneration based on labor, free from competition.

>>2891277
You are overlooking the fact that bank nationalization is a crucial requirement for a successful communist revolution, according to the critiques Marx leveled at the Paris Commune and all revolutions that established the dictatorship of the proletariat. If a country possesses the means of production—moving beyond backward peasant farming—then the nationalization and socialization of all industries, natural resources, energy, transport, communication, land, housing, healthcare, education, childcare, pensions, technology, and food supplies become necessary; or, at the very least, it is essential to end competition among cooperatives in sectors that cannot yet be fully socialized due to technological limitations or isolation.

China (And Iran BTFO's Drumpf's timeline) just saved Cuba:

>They are swapping their gas-guzzling 1950s American cars for electric motorcycles and rickshaws from China; importing hefty lithium batteries to keep televisions and fans running through blackouts; jury-rigging generators to run on more accessible natural gas; and installing solar panels on rooftops and even vehicles.
>The result is that Cuba has lasted far longer without fuel shipments than the Trump administration expected.
>After hearing about the oil blockade, Mr. Palmero learned on YouTube how to distill junk plastic into homemade gasoline and diesel. He has since built a tiny, makeshift refinery in his backyard to power his motorcycle and light his stove.
>“We look for solutions,” he said. “The economic restrictions are slowly killing us, but we’re pulling through with all our might, managing to get by until we see what happens next.”

>In Havana and beyond, the crisis’s effects were clear.
>We met families walking two hours for water because government pumps had run out of diesel. Women, lacking gas, cooked with firewood on the street. Powerless refrigerators became cabinets. Hitchhikers littered roadsides after the city halted public busing. And dozens of people told us they were simply exhausted after so many sleepless nights in the sweltering heat without fans or air-conditioning.

>Vehicles were on the road — despite black-market gasoline reaching $30 a gallon — because many were electric. Restaurants were open for the few who could afford them, powered by rumbling generators out back. Hospitals, government buildings and the airport had power because they were on protected parts of the grid. Medical clinics, nursing homes and bank branches ran off solar panels donated by China.
>Cell service was sometimes working. Televisions showing the World Cup were not hard to find. And even roadside stands were serving cold beer from refrigerators powered by the sun.

>While not everyone can afford alternative power sources, their energy has trickled down. Electric rickshaws ferry people to work. Solar panels have kept stores open. And people charge their phones and lanterns off their neiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

sort of offtopic but i think the horseshoe model and the left-right linear model and other models people invent for describing politics are fundamentally flawed, i mean if your linear model has to be amended into a circular horseshoe shape to better account for reality that ought to tell you that your whole conception of politics was bunk to begin with. before you can start drawing up a model you have to figure out where exactly the delineation is, what is the specific thing that people become politically divided over. personally i don't think it is about policy or structure, i think it is a psychological/epistemological division, it's about how people think and see the world and their place in it. i think the real fundamental difference is between people who think they are separate from the world and people who do not, between narcissism and humility. if a person thinks that one or a few elite rulers can and should decide the fate of the entire world, it doesn't really make any difference how the monarchy/vanguard rules or how they structure everything or what checks and balances they program in or how benevolent or malevolent they are, they have already stepped over the line from humble human beings to egomaniacal wannabe demigods just by believing that they have the right and the ability to wield such power, by believing that they are a higher observer outside of everything and that they aren't just a small insignificant locality in a vast system. the cruel nihilistic tyrant and the caring paternalistic tyrant are both still tyrants, and the latter kind of tyrant flips to the former kind in the blink of an eye.

Dengoids claim that Huawei is a socialist cooperative, but now I see it's a religious cult.

Let it be known, that Zhu Rongji was an enemy of socialism, a rightist, a capitalist roader, and a neoliberal.

>>2883881
It's harder to attain polytechnic education in the burgerreich than in China as a prole, but when it comes to developing the productive forces and "proletarization" I don't see how developing productive forces in USA differs from developing the productive forces in China. China is a communist party-state but the methods they use for developing productive forces still keep the class dynamics and the time horizon for Communism and comprehensively reworking those relations of productions is 100+ years, Xi said that himself
>the consolidation and development of the socialist system […] will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations (200ish years).
If Chinese approach of "communism must win but only after capacity of developing productive forces of capitalism (and every mixed system) will be exhausted" is correct then developing the productive forces in USA also would help global socialism, right?