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The classical Marxist schema wherein the industrial proletariat forms the decisive vanguard of socialist revolution must be ruthlessly interrogated and superseded when confronted with the objective reality of advanced settler colonialism, parasitic racist imperialism, and the labor aristocracy that binds large swathes of the so-called "working class" to the reproduction of empire.

The settler working class in America which are predominantly white, but including layers of assimilated non-white labor is not, and cannot be, the leading revolutionary subject in the imperial core. This is not moralism or identity politics; it is materialist analysis rooted in the global division of labor, superprofits extracted from the Third World (and internal colonies), and the bribe of relative privilege that turns potential revolutionary classes into social chauvinists or passive beneficiaries of genocide and plunder.

First, we must consider the structure of imperialism as analyzed through a MLM lens informed by dependency/world-systems insights and the theory of the labor aristocracy. The U.S. is the primary pole of the First World empire, a non-productive, consumption-heavy formation sustained by the superexploitation of the global South and the ongoing primitive accumulation against internal colonies (New Afrika/Black nation, occupied Turtle Island/Indigenous nations, occupied Aztlán, etc.). The "wages" of American workers are not merely the fruit of their labor but a redistributed share of imperialist superprofits via crumbs, cheap commodities, home ownership on stolen land, and the ideological bribe of white supremacy/nationalist chauvinism. This creates a clear labor aristocracy whose immediate material interests align more with preserving the imperialist system than overthrowing it. The "white working class" is not exploited in the classical sense that drives revolutionary consciousness; it is co-opted, bought off, and invested in settler-colonial continuity.

Historical evidence abounds from the 1877 railroad strikes through the New Deal labor accords to the post-WWII suburban boom and deindustrialization's selective pain, white workers have repeatedly sided with empire against colonized peoples (e.g., anti-Black pogroms, support for wars of aggression, rejection of reparations or land return). Even in moments of economic distress, reactionary populism and fascist-adjacent MAGA-ism or its left variants tends to dominate rather than proper Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2708085

So, when a majority of white Americans support the police, that means communists should not side with black folk against the police? If a good chunk of low income workers whom are white are PRO ICE, should leftists not resist ICE? What if you're in a state where most of the working class is anti-union, do you tone your union speak down? What if you live in an area where most of the working class are transphobic/homphobic and there 300 trans and gay people, do you abandon them to be "more effective" in the town of 10k? What if most of the american working class don't believe in decrying the military, flag burning, or explicit anti-war militancy? Then do you tone it down, and integrate the celebration of american militarism into your leftism? Sounds like the politics of cowards, sheep, not lion. Just continuously base the praxis, and langauge upon what the mainstream views as acceptable; yup that will work alright, but not as revolutionary praxis, more so as COIN against revolutionary praxis. Maga communism is retarded. Anyone who believes that the class struggle needs to neuter itself in order to gain more influence, needs to jump off a high bridge.

>Blacks must be in charge!

>Oh how could those meanie whites accuse me being of black supremacist?

You think I'm saying BLACK LEADER RULE WHITE MAN. Go fucking read the thread or don't even speak you bitch ass mark

>>2708116
>when a majority of white Americans support the police
Majority of blacks vote democrat and support capitalism. Does that mean communists rail against blacks for being black? No, they criticize the belief and the individual person's reasoning, not the race of the person who holds the belief.
>Anyone who believes that the class struggle needs to neuter itself in order to gain more influence
There is a difference between attacking people based on race and compromising your ideals.
>Go fucking read the thread or don't even speak you bitch ass mark.
Ok Mr Bodies and Spaces, you really like to hide behind a lot of academese while attacking people for being fascist settlers if they don't agree immediately. That really doesn't help communicate what you are saying

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>>2708118

See >>2704539


>>Majority of blacks vote democrat and support capitalism. Does that mean communists rail against blacks for being black?

I'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me. You require more studying on Marxist theory in relation to the structure of race in American's colonial capitalism. BLACK PEOPLE DID NOT COLONIZE THE AMERICAS AND BUILD A COLONIAL STRUCTURE OF BLACK SUPREMACY THROUGH A NEW CAPITALIST WORLD, ON THE BACKS OF NON-BLACK LABOR. There is no "black supremacist" structure and reactionary force to attack in relation to the class struggle. So this comparison you give cannot be flipped in vice versa as an example.

just read books about this

>>There is a difference between attacking people based on race


This response again stems from individualist liberal perception on race and colonialism; it lacks a material analysis on these things. again, read please.


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>>2708116
You know black people aren't retarded faggots like your are and also want the police and law and order to exist

>>2708163
>>2708116
>>2708072
>>2708072
>>2707996
Sorry for seeming so mean, I wet my diapers and my Jewish master hasn't changed them yet



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Capitalism will end in a few decades.
I concluded this by playing a flash game called Oiligarchy which you should play for yourself and see the eco ending:
https://armorgames.com/play/2607/oiligarchy (Original)
https://www.hackedfreegames.com/game/3195/oiligarchy (Hacked/Cheats)

and by searching "when will the world run out of oil" on Google, which said:
<Based on current consumption rates and known reserves, the world is estimated to run out of economically accessible oil in approximately 50 years, or around 2052–2060.

And I once read this guy called Reza Negristani who wrote a book (Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous Materials) about how oil is capitalism and its sentient, like he was saying capitalism needs oil, also the west runs on oil and its obviously important to them. Lots of guys like Michael Parenti and Jacques Derrida and whatnot wrote big books on how the west invades for oil, fights for oil and like is living because of oil and stuff.

So yeah, there won't be an ecological collapse / doomsday. West should fall soon. Unless they use nukes for M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) like in one of the game endings.

To address some concerns:
>We're already past the point of no return, this ecological damage is irreversible, we're fucked.
No I'm pretty sure not, but if we are its like… why aren't you doing whatever you want if its your final days? Go.
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>>2706972
There will never be a fuel source like oil again, capitalism isn’t compatible with solar and wind (and neither is large scale industries at all)

>>2706976
Of course not, but large scale industries != capitalism. We already had capitalism with barely-above-artisanal levels of manual craftsmanship in England's nascent textile industry in the XVIII century. The only thing you need for capitalism is a small set of people with enough money to buy things and buy labour to then sell the result of labour+things for a bit above the cost and treat all of this as a private, non-social operation. They will begin to accumulate and pass the wealth through inheritance and begin the cycle all over again. My point is that ecological and/or technological catastrophes may very well preclude the current form of capitalism, but not capitalism itself. So I agree that running out of oil will be a once in a millenia opportunity for setting up a new set of rules for the material production of life, but we need to start thinking about the specifics right now because if we are not ready by then, inertia will make humanity fall back again to what they already are familiar with.

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>>2707060
Without large scale industry we cannot do communism, we’re gonna end up reverting to feudalism and slavery as the entire human population fights over the newly arable land in Northern Canada, Scandinavia, Alaska, and Siberia

>>2706976
>and neither is large scale industries at all
how are large scale industries incompatible with solar and wind? provided you have some hydro and nuclear it will be fine

>>2706972
energy prices will be skyrocketing before the collapse happens so there could easily be a socialist revolution then



 

What does leftypol think of Tolstoy?


The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.
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>>2646147
Tolstoy late in life was basically a Slavic Quaker

Dostoyevskiy is a reactionary piece of shit and Western fascination with him annoys me endlessl

>>2646202
Bulgakov wrote proto-new-age shit

>>2646168
they do, aside from Ilf & Petrov, but they're really hard to read without the cultural context

t. Russian

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I like the movie.

>>2682075
>Dostoyevskiy is a reactionary piece of shit and Western fascination with him annoys me endlessl
i remember jordan peterson claiming he was the wisest man who lived.

>>2682265
Who cares what Jordan Fucking Peterson thinks

>>2682075
>Dostoyevskiy is a reactionary piece of shit and Western fascination with him annoys me endlessl
it's not just western. lenin expressed his annoyance at dosto fanboys. the truth is he was a good fuckin writer, and even in translation his writing is good. at some point you've just gotta accept that chuds can write banger novels every now and then.



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2699619
I found Bella Dodd’s great-grandniece from one of her mother’s Facebook posts where she said Bella Dodd was her great-aunt. I cyberstalked her from there and saw that her daughter is now an influencer. People need to be way more aware of how much info about themselves they put online.

>>2661687
See this is what people mean, like you can support Palestine without trying to connect two radically different issues, also the Palestinian resistence blueprint has been an objective failure more or less

>>2649156
>there was a trend of ex-Jacobins who flipped to the Holy Alliance against Napoleon
any specific examples of books about this?

This is precisely the trap that unfolds when one's praxis remains suspended in the realm of idealist abstraction rather than grounded materialist investigation. The settler colonial apparatus doesn't merely operate through the barrel of the gun, no it reproduces itself through the very same structural frameworks we deploy to critique it. Those who haven't undertaken the difficult work of excavating the material foundations of settler sovereignty the land-as-commodity, the juridical production of the Native and Black body as modern homo sacer, and the structural necessity of elimination for capital accumulation are susceptible to reactionary tendencies or grifts . Theres no shock they become susceptible to what I term reactionary interpellation. The far right doesn't contradict settler colonialism, you understand? It intensifies it, accelerates its contradictions, defends it. Without a grounded antagonistic positionality towards this, one's "radicalism" becomes mere aesthetic posturing, which won't hold up over the years.

Don't forget the identitarians, the liberal managers of white supremacy's symptoms. They treat race as cultural rather than structural, as discourse rather than as a relation to production. Their praxis inevitably gravitates toward the petite-bourgeois horizon because they've abandoned the class analytic that would reveal how white supremacy functions as a mode of colonial governance securing surplus populations and dividing the local proletariat.

Everyone here is saying MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY but the Occam's Razor answer is that the far right appeals, on a human level, to the same insecurities and frustrations as leftism. So, it's not weird at all to see a former anarchist become a fascist, a former Marxist-Leninist become a TradCath, you name it. I think it's weirder to see a former radical become a milquetoast liberal, like a former anarchist become a Republican.



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Which socialist countries could a NEET move to join the working class?

<As of 2023, approximately 21.7% of young people worldwide, aged 15 to 35, are classified as NEET, meaning they are not in education, employment, or training. This statistic highlights a significant global issue regarding youth engagement in productive activities.
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>>2705701
Neets and elites are both on the same train eating the same gravy. It's only different amounts. You are too afraid of being the former, and too eager to be the latter, to stop funding our unholy union.

>>2706918
Neets and elites. That rhymes

>>2705701
>How do NEETs not experience an existential dread
I do, but I also did when I was non-NEET, I just have better quality sleep now.

>>2660145
Nepal?

>>2705701
the vast majority of "neets" are incapacitated by serious mental health issues exacerbated by capitalism but fuck empathy because a random unemployed shartmerican on pol called me a wagecuck once amirite



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A general to compile all news, articles, essays and info related to the Greater Middle East-North Africa region.

Creating this general in an effort to centralize all the info that currently gets posted to 5 different threads concerning conflicts and developments in the MENA region. Seeing how slow they generally are and at risk of getting bumped off besides the Palestine thread and that it’s likely people interested in Yemen, Syria, Iran, Sudan and Palestine are likely also interested in news and info from across the region I think it would be useful to post everything in one place.

This will be the inaugural edition to see how it goes. Welcome!
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>>2707451
>including the former islands that were french colonies too where they pay machete gangs to terrorize the population lol
what?

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Is it true that all of these countries were invented by the British?

>>2707464
>muh blood and soil
All shitholes are fake

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>>2707465
>Anarkid speek
When did I ever say that I was a statist?!?!
Of course I national citizenship is just a social construct and stuff and states are just an instrument of class oppression but most countries had a national identity and unique culture and shit but none of the ones I shared above did, they were just carved up by the British, or I think so that is why I was asking.

>>2707468
yes, but all the gulf countries are fake or amalgamations of previous states, with the exception of perhaps bahrain



 

Without him, UKKKraine and LGBT EU Neoliberalism would fully declare war on Russia. Vote for Viktor Orban without him, Russia would deal with EU invasion of Russia.

Pic related is why you should vote for him and I encourage every Hungarians do that.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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>>2707054
>There is no reason for multipolarism to need
Multipolarism does not "need". It is an established fact. This is the aspect that blows your ass the most.

>If China can do multipolarism

China doesn't "do" multipolarism, instead, it is a part of it.

You are terminally burger-brained and I refuse to read your post further. Fuck you for polluting this space with your ignorant takes, I hope you die.

Bye

>>2706784
Orban is to NATO what Ceaușescu was to the Warsaw Pact. Also nobody understands Hungarian, it's an impenetrable language, it might not even be a real language, they made it up for a fantasy book and film franchise.

>>2707054
>There is no reason for multipolarism to need fascist epstein islanders to carry it out.
Orban was in the Epstein files? Prove it.

Stopped reading here, btw.

Any European who opposes Russia is bad
Any European who supports Russia is good

Whether Russia is good or bad is a moot point
Russia serves as a litmus test for the European

>>2707190
why would any european support russia?



 

Sure the Sassanids had issues like raidings, slavery and forced resettlement, but we must critically support them to weaken Roman Empire unipolarity.
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>>2706788
>lets replace Roman slave society with Arab slave society

>>2706776
>Roman Empire
>unipolarity
bro did you even look at your own fucking map

>>2706776
Muhammad PBUH and the early Muslim community critically supported the Roman Empire thoughbeit

>>2706844
Shut up chud. The romans have 200 military bases around the mediterranean. They literally control the Nile too. They're literally the heckin puppetmasters of whatever happens in europe. Let's be real slavs teutons or anglos will never do imperialism.

>>2706788
>>2706790
It wasn’t really the “Arabs” per se, more accurately the Believers who came out of the Hejaz were actually a broad coalition of monotheists, whose baseline were non-Trinitarian Christians, whose teachings would have been closer to the non-Trinitarian populations of the Byzantine and Sassanian Persian realms than to orthodox Christianity. Islam proper only began much later.



 

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>>2694119
The early '90s was a rough time for MJ. Idk if he was a cringe zionist but he did settle out of court.

>>2694123
>I'm kind of surprised that 30% of San Antonio's city council is DSA members. Also a little surprised that's only 5.9% in NYC but then again theirs a lot of very wealthy Democrats in NYC so that makes sense.
To be fair to the NYC DSA (and no further), NYC is still one of the biggest cities in the US, period, so a 100,000 member org dispersed nationwide literally doesn't have the capacity.

Haven't been to Texas but I have the impression that it's not as reactionary underneath the surface about as much as California is reactionary underneath the surface.

>>2693571
>Look at this fucking moron on the video
yes, yes, horrible, terrible, moronic. the music? tasteless, deceiving. the message? ugh, alienating, who 'wants to be Chinese'? the way he dresses? sad for a grown man, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
>mfw

All of my friends now "reject nihilism" and are in support of Graham Platner. I don't even know. I don't even know! Because who's to say that he isn't just going to do an about face when he gets in like literally every other politician. Is it worth it to invest time in electoralism or what? I just have a bad feeling again, like with every politician, that this facade will fade away once he's in the Senate. I hate this shit



 

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>>2703744

the counter revolution was the revisionism and US imperialism.

realize doing this radio shit youre doing to feds is like 10 years in federal penitentiary minimum right?

>>2703759
But le party? Le centralism?

>>2703819
It isn't illegal to listen and the criminals are them and their bosses

so whats the point if this is all encrypted



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