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I've personally approached marx from a more economic perspective and I was surprised to see that some authors treat Marx as primarily a philosopher rather than a social critique.

From the few bits and pieces I've read on it, their work seems completely irrelevant and stuck in philosophical qualms with no relation to the real world. The hegelian interpretation of Marx reads as a bunch of messianic and idealist garbage that Marx would've condemned.
But what's /leftypol/'s opinion on the matter ?
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>>2899914
Althusserians and Analytic Marxists like Gerald Cohen

it should tell you something that the eurocentric white supremacist views of hegel are so compatible with marx

>>2899834
I just said there are better translations and you don't have to ride horse and buggy to a library or smuggle illegal books into the country like Lenin did. I said nothing about memes. God damn you anons are frustrating sometimes.

>>2901887
>you know who also thought 2+2=4…? that's right. adolf hitler. not a big fan of addition now, are you?



 

I hope these guys win the coming elections in Israel.
Because no matter who wins the elections, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians will continue. If one of the liberal Zionists wins they will spin somehow to make it seem less evil. With these two they won't be able to pretend that they're not genocidal freaks. Thus hastening international intervention.
I'm totally accelerationist in this regard.

What do you think of this?
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>>2901858
netanyahu has pivoted to full throated support of the settler movement. the differences are academic.

a more liberal knesset gives the west and the media an offramp to pretend the show is over. a hard right swing would be much more difficult to spin and would galvanise the anti israel movement.

in both scenarios the price would be paid in palestinian blood and the limbs of children so it's in very poor taste to advocate either side and you should be centering the victims of this genocide and all the aid workers and journalists the fascists have been murdered.

your hoping is totally immaterial. you are not an accelerationist. shut the fuck up. don't ever post here again. kill yourself

>>2901914
>heredi leaders are saying they'd rather leave israel than compromise on their torah values (be in the presence of women)

Sounds pretty gay

>>2901915
wrong. israels reputation will continue to plummet no matters whos in charge. the genocide is endorsed by pretty much every facet of israeli society. gaze upon history and you'll realize there's nothing a Liberal hates more than a badly run war

>>2901926
israel's herrenvolk democracy doesn't even figure: they can't exist without western patronage and they know it. a liberal turn wouldn't help the palestinians but it would be a boon to their propagandists in the west. their plan all along has been attrition against the attention span of the general public and nearly any new prime minister will be presented as a moderate by the media as a way of cracking consensus by giving a fatigued public permission to look away.

it happened in hungary: the new president was presented as a clean break from orban even when he's basically identical but with no international profile.



 

Another Communization Theory thread because why not?

Talk about anything relating to Communization Theory! Talk about how Communization Theory is great or how its shit!

Texts regarding Communization Theory and its many sub-sects will be attached in the replies.

[NOTE: Not every Communizer believes in the same things, e.g. some emphasis class struggle while others don't]
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Le ICP status?

>>2899827
From what I've heard from they're involved with the union movement and usually pull them towards "the communist programme," or at least towards their interpretation of it.

>>2891851
Currently reading through the crisis theory part of the interview, it's a very informative article. I might read "Hinterland" later on, when I have the chance.

>>2891545
Reich was a retard whose only real contribution was being the first to try doing marxism and psychoanalysis at the same time. Žižek solos.

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still praying for this man to be debunked (it will never happen)

>>2891851
> As for myself, I consider myself an entirely orthodox communist
>That includes both the Marxian aspect, as well as the sequence of practical lessons learned in the long history of struggle and elaborated in theories of revolutionary organization
>In other words, while they’re very good Marxists, they’re often not very good Leninists.
A Leninist is a Leninist



 

Military Deployment in Bolivia’s Roads Anticipating New Blockades
The government of Rodrigo Paz has deployed Police and Military units after the announcement of road blockades in different areas of Bolivia. In June this year, the government issued a decree to deploy the repression forces of the State before popular protests, such as the road blockades. Therefore, the government imposed a state of exception, which is still ongoing and will last another 22 days.
https://redherald.org/2026/08/26/military-deployment-in-bolivias-roads-anticipating-new-blockades/

Venezuela: Opposition Lawmaker Ecarri Proposes Dollarization Plan
Ecarri, a National Assembly Deputy from Alianza del Lápiz, has hired US economist Steve Hanke as an advisor for his plan to change the national currency. …. Hanke, a Johns Hopkins University academic who served in the Reagan administration, has advised countries such as Ecuador and Zimbabwe on similar initiatives. In an article for business magazine Fortune, he confirmed that he has already drafted “a bill for the Venezuelan parliament.”
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-opposition-lawmaker-ecarri-proposes-dollarization-plan/

U.S. close to striking "massive" deal for Venezuelan oil fields
The historic deal would more than double U.S. oil reserves by drawing from a country that has the world's largest proven reserves. "Calling this deal huge would be an understatement," one of the officials said. "It is massive." Adding pressure to get the deal signed: the wars in Iran and Ukraine, which have disrupted global oil supplies and raised prices.
https://www.axios.com/2026/08/27/trump-venezuela-oil-deal-talks
https://archive.ph/HRScX

Israeli forces set to deploy troops to West Bank as settler attacks continue
The move was justified by Israeli army chief Eyal Zamir, who said that amid the upcomiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Danke schon newsanon

Trump EPA aims to exempt datacenters from disclosing air pollution, advocates warn
The Clean Air Act requires “minor” air polluters to disclose to the public via state agencies how much pollution their proposed project will release, but the proposed new rule from Donald Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would dismantle that protection for datacenter proposals. Instead, it would make disclosure voluntary at state and some local officials’ discretion.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/25/datacenters-air-pollution-epa

US Postal Service says new mail ballot rules tied to Trump order are in effect
The Trump administration has sought to impose new rules requiring state election leaders to submit their voter rolls for inspection as part of a broader bid to increase federal government oversight over voting and elections. The post office requirements stem from an executive order issued by Trump earlier this year, requiring the post office to refrain from delivering ballots for mail-in voting to registered voters deemed ineligible when compared to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and other federal records.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/27/us-postal-service-mail-ballot-rules-trump-order

FAA moves to fire two controllers who left work before fatal LaGuardia collision, sources say
Several controllers interviewed by Reuters described the workload that night as busy and said other controllers would typically be brought in ​or stay on past ​their normal shift ⁠end time to manage the heavier-than-scheduled number of flights. One controller told Reuters that there has been a push nationwide by the FAA ​to crack down on employees leaving on break at the end ​of their ⁠shift and not coming back.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/faa-moves-fire-two-controllers-who-left-work-before-fatal-laguardia-collision-2026-08-27/

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The Mountains Gave Birth to a Mouse: MKP
Within the parliamentary arithmetic, there were those who, like the DEM Party, approached the issue with optimism, offering the lesser of two evils, as well as those who took a direct critical approach. Of course, those who signed and those who did not sign the draft law also began to reveal their stance. It is possible to interpret this dual, and perhaps even triple, difference in attitude as normal reactions in accordance with the principle of democracy. However, it is obvious that where there is no democracy, these reactions and differences do not, and will not, develop on the basis of this principle. In this case, it would not be wrong, and would be accurate, to say that bourgeois and bourgeois clique interests lead to differences in reactions and attitudes. Therefore, it would not be a prophecy to argue that the current differences in reactions and attitudes will continue to sharpen during the legalization process of the bill. It is clear that the ongoing debates and cracks will have much more to say. Without needing to say more about the bourgeois squabbles, we move on to our main topic…
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/36397/

Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan on the August 23rd parliamentary elections
"On August 23, Kazakhstan held elections to the unicameral parliament, the Kurultai, as part of the constitutional reform that had been carried out. As a result, the main presidential party, “Adilet,” which was established just a few months ago, along with other parties representing large capital, secured more than 70 percent of the seats in the legislative body. The party of large agrarian capitalists, “Auyl,” came second in the parliament, receiving only 6.26 percent. The other three parties — the CPC, “Ak Zhol,” and “Respublika” — made it into parliament by overcoming the five percent threshold, with minor differences between them in terms of fractions of a percent. Only two associations remained outside the legislative body: the Green Party “Baitak” and the former pro government “communists” party, the People’s Party of Kazakhstan. The main outcome was the consolidation of all political entities around the current president, Kassym Jomart Tokayev, and his party, as part of the restructuring of the political system and the removal of all possPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

ITALIANS DO IT BETTER

Manica di degenerati. Non mi aspettavo proprio che dopo un mese d'assenza, il filo cadesse dalla tavola. Vabè, leftypol ormai è l'ombra di quello che era soltanto qualche anno fa, ma c'è un limite a tutto.
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Sembra che il fascismo vincerà in Italia. Voglio dire, a questo punto la maggior minaccia del governo Meloni non è neanche uno della sinistra, ma un ex’generale capitalista, razzista e omofobico che vuole che l’Italia sia ancora più schiava all’America ed Israele (ma del resto, nessun politico in Italia può avere una carriera senza viaggiare a Washington DC per dichiarare massima lealtà alla casa Bianca e Tel Aviv). Ovviamente, sto parlando di Roberto Vannacci del “Futuro Nazionale”, che ora ha 5% dei sondaggi. Credo che l’italiani abbiano già capito che votare non serve a nulla, ma credo che Meloni cercherà di allearsi con lui per poter rimanere in potere per lungo sebbene i sondaggi di Meloni non sono le migliori.

>>2857100
Elettori di destra i più cojoni in assoluto. Le proposte di Vannacci sono tutte minestra riscaldata, tutta roba già proposta da salvini e meloni. Paese bollito.

>>2752797
what the fuck is a moffinist

Bumpy



 

>I love my country but it does not yet exist edition

The American question is: how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth without either reproducing the imperial form or fragmenting into balkanized enclaves that allow capital to reconstitute, while resolving the contradictions of internal colonization and liberating its external colonies, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?

ICE & Prison Resources
Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world.
>ICE In My Area // ICE tracker using public info and user submissions
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/
>AILA Deaths Log // list of deaths at ICE concentration camps
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers
>Incarceration in Real Numbers // visualization of prison population in US
https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
>Organizing in Prison // for when the walls close in (RANT Collective)
https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
>US Jails Database // database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2901695
>I hate the British working class, because they are willing and gleeful collaborators in the globe-spanning British empire. I don't care if the children are chimney sweeps with lung cancer! Fuck 'em

  • Karl Marx, DaSS KKKapital: The KKKlanditions of the """workkking""" kkklass in KKKlangland

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>>2901461

I don't know the context, but I pray for your victory over every obstacle

>>2900384
Mkultra aint sending their best

>>2900464
The lying yank cannot fathom that a man does not lie about his identity



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Ich muss mich mal kurz bilden.


>>2900192
Hatte 25 BSW gewählt und bin schwer ernüchtert: a) interne Parteikriege, welche dazu führen, dass mit den Kapitalisten gekuschelt wird b) Wahlmanipulation, gegen die man nicht vorgehen kann, wenn die Partei zu klein ist c) kleine Parteien bringen keine Veränderung, weil sie keine Mehrheiten haben.
Ich empfehle einfach taktisch zu wählen.
  • welche Partei verspricht, was ich will
  • welche Partei enspricht meiner Ideologie
  • welche Partei hat die Chance, tatsächlich Macht zu bekommen

In dieser Reihenfolge.


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Das neue Sternchen am Streamerhimmel.



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has anyone been paying attention to these ""discussions"" on tiktok the gentiles believe that lindsay clancey didn't kill her kids, straight people are only attracted to other, and the word cis is a slur/predatory (old foids don't want to be called it so if you call them that its le rape) how are we to reeducate these people with no institutional power
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>mfw naziflag talks to anyone, ever, about children
L. Mao

>>2901039
all you uyghurs seem to misunderstand that im not just talking about these specific discourses the gentiles seem to always be wrapped up in these "discussions" that lead them to ideas (in this case philosophies with younger people getting into ""politics"""") which we will have to teach out of them

>>2901140
Things are infinitely better offline.
Still not great, but seriously better.

>>2901140
my uyghur my uyghur ima ride for my mothafuckin uyghurs

>>2901140
Why do the terminally online have such difficulty understanding a basic concept like "what you see online is a biased sample and not necessarily reflective of what people offline actually think"



 

Today most legal systems nominally reject collective punishment, emphasizing individual responsibility. It is also prohibited in armed conflict under international humanitarian law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention. This was not always the case. The Athenian Draco is remembered for harsh laws, from which we get the word "Draconian" but one of his major reforms was to replace private blood feuds with state-administered justice. Before his code, killings were often avenged by the victim's family, leading to cycles of retaliation.

The shift from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt toward individual responsibility and the presumption of innocence was gradual rather than revolutionary. In many ancient and medieval societies, families, clans, villages, or entire communities could be held liable for the actions of one member, and accused individuals often had to prove their innocence through oaths, ordeals, or social standing. These proofs were often ritual in nature and lacked scientific rigor. Over centuries, especially under the influence of Roman legal principles, canon law, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and liberal constitutionalism, legal systems increasingly emphasized that guilt should be based on evidence against a specific individual rather than group affiliation. Thinkers such as Beccaria and Blackstone argued that protecting the innocent from wrongful punishment was more important than maximizing convictions, leading to higher standards of proof, formal rules of evidence, due process, and the modern principle that the prosecution bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite these legal prohibitions, governments and armed groups have at times been accused of imposing measures that amount to collective punishment, especially during wars, occupations, and counterinsurgency campaigns. Whether a specific case qualifies is often legally and politically disputed.

The transformation from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt to individual liability and the presumption of innocence was driven largely by changes in state capacity and legal administration. As governments became stronger, more centralized, and more bureaucratic, they relied less on kinship groups to police their own members and more on professional courts, investigators, and judges. Improved record-keeping, forensic methods, written legal codes, and standardized procedures made it increasingly feasible (but not necessarilPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2879129
>entered thread thinking OP was defending bourgeous collective punishment
<ptsd of job related collective punishment by demented manager rising
>actually read OP
>OP, actually, made correct points

>Should the ruling class be collectively punished for this crime, potentially undermining or reversing the the historical changes described above?

Yes, beyond question. Liberals will disagree, but what the fuck do you retards think when communists talk of revolution and a dictatorship of the proletariat? The bourgeiousie will be brought to heel and collectively dominated as a class. They will be punished as a class and eventually liquidated as a class. In the remnants of a world whose biosphere was nearly destroyed by capitalism, whose oligarical overlords raped children and enslaved multitudes, killed tens of millions is hellish wars, poisoned swathes of the earth, not in some calculated aim but just at the anarchic tide of markets, that there will be any pity or handwaving for holding the dying capitalist class accountable? Ridiculous.

When communists are more preoccupied with punishment instead of building a new society, nothing gets done.

>>2879129
The social murder is not a crime under any system of positive law, but a strategy in class warfare. You are trying to fit this in an unfit category

>>2879375
>the problem isnt that israelis are the "bad guys", it is that they [proceeds to describe bad guys doing collective punishment against a victim population] where is the punishment there?
astounding mental gymnastics

>>2884725
not even in the most successful socialist projects has the bourgeoisie been "liquidated" down to the individual with punishment applying to children and so forth. In reality we see a much more complex situation where careful consideration is made for whether the particular bourgeois individual was a class traitor or not. People who talk like this think Marx and Engels and Marx's wife and children would have been lynched by the proletariat for being bourgeois, with no consideration as to the content of their lives and deeds.



 

Exmples of what I mean:
  • Black Panther Party - aimed to destroy the US and bring communism, did nothing notable, disbanded after being targeted by the state they wanted to destroy. Online leftists say they did nothing wrong and blame the evil capitalist US for not letting a bunch of dudes destroy itself.
  • The USSR - a system that almost died in late 1960s but was saved by oil prices. When oil prices dropped back down it also died. Thoughout its existence it was plagued by internal issues, corruption, censorship, and Dubai style megaprojects.
  • Concept of "Late stage capitalism" - the term was coined over 100 years ago and it implies that capitalism is heading towards collapse soon™. Since then capitalisn has transformed multiple times but it is still "late stage" and this time it is definitely going to collapse. (dont look at parallels with christian latter days)
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>>2901289
I thought "late stage capitalism" meant "as of late" but maybe I fell for a meme. Yeah the left has been predicting the fall of capitalism for 150 years, so it goes.

the civil rights movement ended jim crow and segregation and gave black americans the right to vote and dealt a major blow to white supremacy and terrorized the ruling class and racist white citizenry and forced a total restructuring of american society by way of white flight from the cities into suburbia

the ussr won world war 2 and destroyed the third reich and saved the world from falling under the rule of the most terrible totalitarian empire in history (at the time) and prevented the total extermination of the jewish people, as well as gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people, etc.

the term late stage capitalism was coined long ago because anyone who wasn't a complete fucking idiot could use their brain and understand that an economic philosophy based on perpetual expansion in a world of finite space and resources is mathematically unsustainable and would eventually run out of room to expand and transition away from industrialization and real production and profits and towards deindustrialization and financialism and zero-sum transactions, which it did.

>>2901530
> BPP
I'd not go as far as to equate a militant black power group with the civil rights movement. Matter of fact, "nothing notable" is in the context of the civil rights movement.
> USSR
well, Epstein donated to charity. Did his faults evaporate?
> third
That's a highly dubious claim. If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

>>2901289
humanity has been around for 200,000 years, feudalism was around for 500 years, capitalism has been around for 300 years. Capitalism has survived longer than some thought it would, but I think it is definitely transforming into socialism for several ways that I can elaborate if you care about.

>>2901618
>If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

well op started it by thinking he was being clever and sneaky by carefully singling out the black panthers and choosing not to even acknowledge the greater underlying movement behind it, like we were all born yesterday and can't read between the lines and figure out what he's up to. i'm just playing along with typical bad faith internet argument mindgames, that's all. hey what about that time i went to a soup kitchen and i found a hair my soup, they really ought to shut that place down shouldn't they.



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