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you can just cancel debt and then expropriate expropriators. money is not real. bourgeois economics is fake.
>Bolshevik revolutionaries overthrew the government on October 24, 1917, subsequently creating the Soviet government. The amounts of payments in default were enormous.[3] Russian debt to Great Britain alone at the end of World War I was estimated at between 538 and 568 million pounds. The amount of debt to France was estimated at 3,573 million francs and Russian foreign debt to Japan equaled 147 million dollars.[citation needed]
The debt repudiation
>On February 8, 1918, the Soviet government repudiated all bonds issued by the Tsarist government when the Soviet of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) cancelled all previously issued Russian government debt. It stopped payment on foreign debt at the beginning of 1918 and declared that all debts contracted by the Russian Empire were cancelled, as well as the debts contracted by the Russian Provisional Government, so that the war could be continued from February to November 1917.[citation needed]
>At the same time, the Soviets decided to expropriate all assets of foreign nations in Russia. The Soviets also nationalized banks, lands, and industries. By repudiating the external debt, the Soviet government implemented the Petrograd Soviet’s decision of 1905.[4]
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>>2662061
Funny cause including Stalin isn't wrong

>>2661260
debts are real to the extent that the creditor can enforce payment

>>2661260
True. Very true. Ridiculously true.

>>2662061
>collaborated with the west
the only country I can think of that never did that is just North Korea tho

>>2661260
Trve. Most people are mindbroken by commodity production however. I don't remember how many times i tried to explain MMT to my parents.



 

ICE PROTESTS GENERAL
*ICE SHOOTS TWO PROTESTORS EDITION*

Everybody was wrong, ICE began shooting protestors only one day after the protests began. This Thursday afternoon, ICE agents shot two protestors and put them in critical condition in the city of Portland, Oregon.

>What will come of this?

<We don't know yet, but if you had to realistically guess, nothing probably.

Source: https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon
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>>2672042
The Berg

>>2665222
I love Oxygen, its my favourite thing.

>>2695630
Agreed, it is Amazing.

fizzleGODS won

>>2672024
Pretty much.
White people don't wanna get arrested.
Salsa Americans are either joining ICE or cheering them on or are too scared to leave their homes.



 

Dolphins are smarter than Stalinists, I will prove this by teaching dolphins Das Kapital, and then even a dolphin would know that if you have community production you have a capitalist mode of production, and it is not a transitionary stage to be reformed.
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>>2694020
How's the weather in Langley?

>>2693970
>So the term generalized commodity production doesn't exist for you? Let's take Capital so you can read Marx using the term:
<proceeds to give a quote where the term isn't used

you are right, there has been no AES in history, and tru communism is actually just a retarded idea talked about and masturbated to by trotskyists and anarchists who are opposed to any kind of pragmatic organization on a large enough scale to hold territory. i guess we should all just give up.

>>2693970
Lower commodity production

>>2693354
The aliens are space rapists anyway, you don't want to be friends with them.

We get invited into the galactic federation and I'm bopping the Grey Emperor in his boppo-the-clown face the moment the first teleporter gets installed on earth.



 

How exactly are you supposed to overthrow the government of the most powerful country on Earth with a legally registered above ground organization where members don't hide their affiliation and which can never ever ever commit a crime? I don't support adventurism or terrorism or firebombing a Walmart or useless political assassinations that only have symbolic results. But revolution is still illegal and actually successfully accomplishing a real revolution involves committing countless crimes, often violent ones, and requires being actually capable of withstanding extremely intense state repression. The "left" in Western countries seems stuck in an eternal malaise where it struggles to accomplish virtually anything. Why? Let's look at the Western left. You either have glorified liberal NGOs with red flags doing an endless bullshit loop of holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult doing nothing but adventurism and firebombing walmarts. I posit that this malaise is because making a left-wing party is legal in liberal democracies, so any normal left wing party is lured to become a "legal" organization with all that entails. The exceptions in Western society naturally tend towards pure adventurism. I think the Bolsheviks actually significantly benefited from being an illegal underground party through most of the course of their existence. They had to learn the organizational tools to genuinely learn to survive state repression, to act decisively, and to build dual power without resorting to mindless suicidal adventurism. A revolution is not legal, so why would you try to accomplish the most brazenly illegal act of all (overthrowing the government) with a defanged legal organization? If the government decided to to a second Red Scare tomorrow, all these orgs would instantly evaporate. We need to go underground before being a communist is illegal and not after.
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>>2678364
That's a bullshit excuse
>Muh survelliance
Did they watch Epstein fuck those kids from the fed cuck chair? Not even Epstein. Just go after the fuckin reddit jannies. Can't even do that. Feds and authorities of all kinds tongue my anus and if I wanna kill someone, anyone, I just will. I'll yell pipe bomb where I want as well. Everytime my stupid ass phone fucks up and goes automatically to Google Ai that's what I do to make it shut it's bitch ass up
>Google how do I make a bomb? (Turns off)
>Yeah that's what I thought faggot

You're just reactionary, it's ok most Amerikkkans are. You're inherently worthless and that's why there isn't gonna be a revolution in the states as noone is coming to save your ass cause you ain't worth it

>>2679402
>the time will eventually come when western governments get more aggressive and authoritarian as capitalism decays and they'll inevitably restrict or ban communist parties.
Meanwhile, real life spits at your vague, ever-moving goalposts and demands specifics:
>Communist Control Act of 1954
>Long-term strengthening of the US' executive branch
>militarization and centralization of Police
>entrenchment of the CIA and FBI
>deep collaboration of capital with the state to create a universal surveillance network (flock cameras, doorbell camera databases, etc.)
>"urban revitalization" coincidentally always means the systematic atomization and diaspora-fication of nationally oppressed communities and their eradication as a cohesive political force
>systematic imprisonment and assassination of ideological leadership within the Panthers, Communist Workers Party, Black Liberation Army, American Indian Movement, etc.
<But hey, CPUSA and the Pakistani Super League are allowed to exist aboveground so we must not be at that point of restriction and clandestine activity!
Or maybe, just maybe, these "parties" (PSL is the only one even vaguely organized as a Bolshevik-type party) don't actually present any real threat to the bourgeois state and exist as a relief valve for downwardly-mobile petty bourgeois to vent their frustrations as acceptable opposition with vague strategy and muddled tactics until they burn out and go back to passively or actively taking part in imperialism. PSL's Socialist Reconstruction actively refuses to answer the most basic questions about revolutionary strategy and amounts to PatSoc fanfiction (their internal documents aren't any better, in case any of you were wondering). All aboveground parties share functionally the same movementist tactics expressing empty and aimless "militancy" that never actually goes beyond what the Democratic Party organizes. I say this as someone who spent years in these organizations complicit in these same practices. In reality we Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2678317
>holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult
are these mutually exclusive? how do you know they arent made up of the same people?

i thought above ground and underground were supposed to work together

>>2678317
>We need to go underground before being a communist is illegal and not after.
We still need an above ground appearance, and how would you go about implementing hierarchical vanguard parties in America?



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The "people" does not exist. I've never seen the "people". I want to hear nothing of the "people" and its confused democratism, handing power to the bourgeois and petty bourgeois ideologues using the abstraction that is the "masses" as leverage to bargain with the State.
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¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

>>2642762
>dictatorship of the proletariat is to proletarians as israel is to zionists
has got to be one of the funniest left anti-communist talking points i've ever heard

>>2641644
Wrong. The people do exist as material force, not abstraction.
>>2681660

>>2641724
>>2641738
>>2641752

>”Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”

Joseph de Maistre, the Father of Continental Reaction.




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Singapore is an economical and social miracle undoubtedly, low rate of corruption, high rate of employment, FDI, Income and quality of life in general.
All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economy, Lee Yew is practically worshipped by Neoliberal for not only his policies but also for his Anti-communist operations.
Marxist (atleast I haven't found any) can point out to any contradiction plaguing Singaporean multicultural society.
Does this economical path is the way to prosperity, as an alternative to liberal western ideology.
What does /leftypol/ say on this? Can he be refuted by Dialectical Materialism?
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Is leftypol banned in Singapore? I haven't seen anyone from Singapore here

>>2652564
>Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.

this is pretty much the same path japan, korea, and taiwan went. Lol


>>2667529
I get the impression that Singaporeans are live in a weird bubble and are very mentally strait-jacketed for the most part. They can't see anything outside their carefully curated and hypercompetitive culture of their authoritarian city-state.

Singapore sucks



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Libertarians come in many flavors. Even Charlie Kirk called himself a libertarian once. Most of them are irredeemable, craving to oppress women & minorities - terrible people, who ALWAYS slide towards fascism.

However, there's a smaller subset of them who value freedom above everything else and despise surveillance. Are we their closest ally? Because libertarians on the right just cling to Palantir, Israel and horrific child abusers. How do we integrate them? What should be done to integrate them?
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>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

>>2677186
They are very fun to laugh at



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friendly reminder: if you are a NEET and a communist, you are suicidal. you are according to marxists a useless eater and they will 100% exterminate you after the revolution.

source: marxist theory and history
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We are here to help comrade .

i'm a minmaxer, even when i'm suicidal i'm as productive as i can be, i don't take a single step without a purpose.

>>2674296
>During War Communism there were labor camps for those not engaged in productive labor.
so ur tellin me if i dont have a job theyre gonna give me one where i hang out with the bros and build stuff to help society?

based

>>2674198
Damn that’s crazy

>>2674562
>>that's why we need a global mystical 1984 state
thats what we already have tho, you think you live in communism lol? are you american?



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Fine. I'll address it. What can we do to stop the incessant infighting between MLs and Ultras?
There is ultimately a middle ground to be found between their positions.
And it is at least in my opinion, it's the positions between both groups that makes the most sense and most closely resemble the intent behind Marx's original aims.
I am a bit of a theorylet so maybe I am missing some crucial ideological perspective that already achieved this, but if not I suppose I am in a sense proposing that stance here.

What do I even mean? Take for example;

Ultras:
>We must abolish the commodity form and money on day 1 of the revolution or you're a state capitalist moderniser falsifier and a betrayer of the revolution
MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future

Ultras:
>You must never ever support national liberation even when the movement is clearly progressive and socialist in character and it's successes will weaken imperialism and capitalism
MLs:
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2667438
>Muh semantics
Ok don't listen to me then. Keep being confused

Did 'strengthening proletarian ties' include, forcing united fronts on international parties, allying with nazis, allying with western colonialists, abolishing the Comintern to appease said colonialists, establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, etc?

>>2667440
>semantics
Nice cope pseudo. If only this distinction wasn't the whole reason Marx broke with the left and the Comintern was later established

>>2667443
You asked me a question, I answered it, then you just restate the question differently. The only pseud here is you, Marx didn't break with the left over the distinction between socialism as the mop and socialism as the state ideology of a post revolutionary dotp. He broke with various groups for various different reasons, disagreement over utopianism, reformism, idealism, etc. The comintern was established to further the goals of international revolution and again, break from reformists and their ilk. None of that has anything to do with your confusion regarding mop and post rev dotp both being called "socialism"

>>2667092
Not quite



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What’s your opinion on Mao agricultural socialism I think personally that’s better than industrial socialism because it helps out the peasants Not saying Vladimir Lennon what’s wrong but I just personally like Mao take on things

>>2672394
>lennon
Also, you need industrial socialism to advance. Being stuck in agro is not a good thing. The direction of history is that you build industrial society with agro surplus and peasants stop being peasants. Same goes for proles. The goal of communism is to get out of "peasantry" and "proles" and become free people.

There is no Mao's 'agricultural socialism'.
Mao HAD to rely heavily on peasants because they were the overwhelming majority of Chinese people at that time.
Mao was not a vulgar stagist à la Kautsky. He was not going to sit and wait a million years until there is a big enough proletariat.

Once the PRC was established, he did everything to industrialise and thus proletarianize. It did not all work out perfectly, but he never enshrined agriculture and peasantry to the detriment of industry and proletariat. Never.

>>2672435
Came here to say essentially this. China industrialized hugely under Mao. Anyone claiming that China was simply "agricultural" during his era is being willfully dishonest.

Liberal industrialization



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