/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2620557
This

Crazy to think Myanmar has shit like this happening and no one knows

>>2621020
Myanmar probably has shit like this happening EVERY day, there's probably a leftcom militia group over there

>>2639441
Every armed group in myanmar are some kind of horrid racist

>>2639444
If there probably was a non racist armed group in Myanmar, they'd probably end up racist later on because they'd have to get supplies

>Shitposting argumentative twattery ends at 600
I know their game

>>2639549
Stop spamming other people please.

>>2639559
Not when they make it personal, I go rambo then

>>2639549
you're still butthurt your falseflagging was discovered?

the illuminati were a leftist secret society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_Just

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_des_saisons

The first modern Communist parties spawned out of Communist Secret Societies.


In Central Europe Trade Unionism and strikes originate in medieval brotherhoods of free craftsmen who used strikes to fight against bad guilds (the guilds were organized bourgeois craftsmen who owned the means of production). These brotherhoods had necessarily clandestine elements to it.
The brotherhoods still exist (just like the guilds) but kinda forgot & abandoned class struggle, only the traditional clothes, ethics, rules & rituals are upheld today which are still quite "left" nonetheless. Unfortunately most journeymen today are not aware of how "left" their brotherhoods used to be and what purpose they served over centuries aside from journey related matters.

>>2622440
Nowadays leftism is too oriented around egalitarianism which conflicts with the inherent elitism of secret societies.

>why does the left seemingly not utilize secret societies, or are most of the left secret socs just really good at staying secret?
Weird nebulous use of 'the left'.

0) In countries where socialism isn't directly surpressed, it's beneficial to be open and public. We're trying to build a mass movement, not conspire to assassinate people like the Propaganda of the Deed 1890s fiasco (assassinated a whole bunch of industrialists, police chiefs and heads of state - normal people didn't rise up). So unless there's an actual strategic necessity to be a private secret movement, it's a HUGE logistical disadvantage.
e.g. one of the recently dissolved M-L parties in my country drove members away by taking laborious, unnecessary cybersecurity precautions essentially just to group-watch The Deprogram and run a soup kitchen.
1) There are concepts like antifascist affinity groups who are adjacent to those secret societies. The bigger a society is, the harder it is to keep a secret, so don't expect some huge Masonic lodge of communists doing fuckass handshakes and meeting in halls. Consider groups of 2-10 people. Additionally, a lot of antifascists are anonymous, even when publishing their actions online.

>>2626079
Fuck that shit

>>2639397
It’s also because their families back home are dependent on remittances in places where first world currency goes a lot further

>>2639404
yes, which is one of the dumbest parts of the capitalist system:
<my green paper is worth more than your green paper!

>>2639411
What’s fucked up is it’s only America that gets the shitty green paper, everyone else gets these awesome pale pinks, yellows, blues with these shiny watermarks

>>2639419
the 1 dollar bill is still GOAT'd

>>2639433
It is funny how the eye pyramid is like catnip for schizos

>>2638942
Yeah it's another semi-myth pushed by retards and accepted by other retards who WANT TO BELIEVE that communism is evil so they can feel good about themselves. The funniest thing about this story is that soviet newspapers were both cheap and softer than the brown sandpaper my grandparents still prefer to use today for some reason that was the available toilet paper before 1969, and even then, the government had to run a campaign to promote the new white toilet paper because people chose to stick with newspapers as they were used to them. There is a very acute irony how everyone used pravda to wipe their asses, even the most patriotic of communists. I guess it's similar to americans wearing star spangled underwear. As to the story about le dead admirals, I first heard it from the anticommunist youtuber Paper Skies and in that story it was not toilet paper that brought down the plane, but a shit ton of sausage and furniture. I don't know if it's true but it's very fashionable to make things up about the SU because the west needs cope.

>>2638865
>unless you want to have to take a shower after every shit.
yeah, a shit then a shower per day is quite reasonable, i think

>>2638981
You should use both dumbass have some reading comprehension.

90% of you people are utterly worthless and should kill yourselves. You know nothing about the state you fete. Worse, you can't even do 2 seconds googling.
I don't know anything about the Soviet toilet paper situation, but OP is suspect because the 1981 plane crash in question is cited as caused by rolls of printing paper, not toilet paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pushkin_Tu-104_crash

Even https://www.coffeeordie.com/article/soviet-navy-sausage-crash (early non-wiki result) gives the cause as
>…the officers headed back to Pushkin Airfield on Feb. 7, 1981, with hundreds of pounds of sausage, cheese, and other goods. Also, the commanding admiral brought massive rolls of paper for a unit newspaper as well as entire furniture sets.

>>2638765
If you really were just posting anticommunist bait, OP, congratulations: no toilet paper situation in the USSR could be as humiliating for world socialism as the posts of its adherents on leftypol.org.

>>2638932
this excuse is fine in 1950, maybe even in 1959, but it's embarrassing in 1969.
Japan was burned to the ground and they didn't have this problem in '59 let alone '69. Even if you say: ah, well Japan is cheating because they got preferential access to the US market, I would be surprised to learn that (say) East Germany had this problem.

>>2638942
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Posting in a bullshit thread. Anyway. I think a socialist society should actually put information on rolls of toilet paper. Maybe not Fidel's speeches, but factoids and vocabulary stuff.

>>2638942
>you think TP made in the first half of the 20th century was any better than newspapers? That stuff had splinters and shit in it. Also soviet newspapers were free.
This.

>>2639014
And this.

>>2602627
Millennial boomer here. (Week 1 4chan opening 2003, Gaia Online before that, before that just random phpBB forums, before that Usenet, so a lot of experience with online communities).
Issue with Zoomers is they grew up largely online, during the peak of woke which made them all super thin skinned little fucking groupthink narcs who go running to the mods anytime they see a nono thought (look at the state of leftypol and its beyond shit tier eggshells tier moderation today), A lot of the woke shit they gobbled down was largely just out of context Tumblr bullshit they interpreted in the worst and most insufferable way which became a large part of Zoomer culture (example: Millennials complaining about grooming gangs where 25-30 year olds would hang out at high school for their 16 year old girlfriends became "if you are 27 and have a 24 year old girlfriend you're a paedophile"), Covid absolutely fucked zoomers entrance into the real world and socialization, they spent much of their University years in lockdown and doing everything remote leading to more focus on online trends rather than real world ones, being terminally online and terminally Tumblr brained and hyper-politicization led to youth subcultures being replaced with online political activism. This is why Zoomers are also the most culturally sterile generation of the modern age, there are no meaningful Zoomer genres, no meaningful zoomer artists, no meaningful zoomer scenes, no meaningful zoomer music etc because it all got replaced with dogshit political takes and LARPing.
Also just for me, they are the single most annoying generation online (though it might be alphas as well), they are pathologically snarky and bad faith, they can't take any fucking criticism, they can't stand people having different opinions than them, they project like crazy and have no fucking critical thinking skills, the terrible socialization and lack of experience in the real world is way more than it was with us Millennials. I had friends straight out of highschool into Government and Corporate careers (College/Uni was less of a thing in the early 2000s), Zoomers are in their mid to late 20s and still act and talk like they are fucking teenagers in high school and have no understanding how normal people actually think or act. They're doing teenage LARPing of being an adult rather than being an adult. This Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2638607
lol

>>2638607
>woke
Stopped reading lmao

Who cares? What’s the point? They’re the final generation anyway

>>2638607
>Millennial boomer here. (Week 1 4chan opening 2003, Gaia Online before that, before that just random phpBB forums, before that Usenet, so a lot of experience with online communities).
So fucking what? You wanna get a medal for being a graybeard atop shit mountain? As if the early 2000s internet wasn't also a period of rampant narcissists run amok on forums. The only difference being that you might've had more anonymity before the panopticon really set in, but that only made the people using the internet then even more narcissistic. I bet you were a tryhard then like how you sound right now.
>Issue with Zoomers is they grew up largely online, during the peak of woke which made them all super thin skinned little fucking groupthink narcs who go running to the mods anytime they see a nono thought (look at the state of leftypol and its beyond shit tier eggshells tier moderation today)
Borderline projection. The internet/social media has become so ubiquitous that growing up without the internet is little more than memories to remind older people about something to be angry over. If it weren't for their jobs disciplining their phone time, I'd bet money that Millennials would be little better than Boomer dads and Gen-X housewives with their internet addiction like the rest of us.
>Covid absolutely fucked zoomers entrance into the real world and socialization, they spent much of their University years in lockdown and doing everything remote leading to more focus on online trends rather than real world ones …
Sure, though those were trends that were years or decades in the making that Covid simply accelerated
>… being terminally online and terminally Tumblr brained and hyper-politicization led to youth subcultures being replaced with online political activism.
Sure, but at the heart of this notion–the idea that cultural consumption is capable of being a complete stand-in for political activism–can be traced back at least to the Boomers. The only real difference is that nearly all of fandom has been consumed into this culture/political arguments by-proxy, where political debate over fiction has become just another vector to argue how "[x] group aren't real fans!"
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>>2638375
Name those expectations trccnyugha(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2638377
hormones are only if you want them, or if you don't take your reeducation seriously. but yes to the rest.

>>2638382
crazy that as well as king lear our jannies think the illiterate incel who hangs around to call everyone 'trccns' every day is a valued and worthwhile person that should be protected and kept around.

>>2616416
This
>Try to start a co-op
>Have to pick between class conscious workers that have no idea how to work manual labour or classcucks that don't care a single bit about it but know how to work.

>>2634626
the key would be to create a worker owned monopoly by having small cooperatives merge with each other over time. and just because small businesses can't compete with monopolies doesn't doom them to total bankruptcy instantly. Many of them survive a good while before going under.

>>2616351
Ignore the haters OP. I am all for sources of income for the party and means of subsistence for valuable cadre as well as one's community. A coop by itself is long term just subject to market forces, but as part of a movement is an agent for dual power.

>>2616449
>If Engels admits cooperatives are "are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies" (emphasis on the word bourgeois) then he admits that co-operatives are not only not bourgeois (by implication)
true
> but also that they can potentially, in some situations, outcompete the bourgeoisie.
less certain
>Large cooperatives like Mondragon prove that cooperatives can grow into huge firms. That's also good. Worker cooperatives could potentially grow into Worker-owned monopolies if competition and buyouts are made a priority by the worker-members.
There have also been situations where traditional bourgeois companies became cooperative after a strike demanded worker ownership. It happened once in France I think. So it is entirely possible for the workers to use strikes win ownership stakes. Someone would say this is revisionism and breeds labor aristocracy though.
>Vertical and horizontal integration of a nation's firms into a worker-owned monopoly could prove a very strong thorn in the bourgeoisie's side. They may even at some point have to make cooperatives illegal, which would agitate the workers and force them down a more militant and illegal path, which is also good as an accelerant towards revolution.
Also an interesting and underrated point.
>n. The exhaustion of peaceful avenues shows the proletariat through experience the need for violent, illegal, and militant struggle. This is part of why the legal half of struggle is needed: Its exhaustion proves to the workers still deluded by reformism that the game is rigged.
This is consistent with Lenin. Good post overall.

>>2634626
any cooperatives willing to excessively exploit themselves,and even then they can't just have turn over to get rid of the workers that no longer have anything to squeeze from

the type of industry or place doesn't matter,since in the real world managers (ie,people employed by the "leader")are the one commanding those structures,so what's the real difference ?

and like the other said,the inevitability of capital consolidation happens because of the rate of profit declining,and even if it's steady,it's FAR from having killed small bussiness entirely

>>2638321
>Russia is barely or not even a pole.
trve trve

I haven’t read the book because my high school only assigned Animal Farm, but I thought the point was that EastAsia, Eurasia don’t exist and “Airstrip 1” was the only actual territory of Oceania because the rest of the world was destroyed by a previous nuclear war.

>>2638322
>pic
That was the general sentiment of the elites of that time and it is a blatant and malicious lie. They claimed that these dirty proles want to destroy their culture meanwhile in reality proles of that time always organized reading clubs, literary saloons and classical music concerts and generally all in for culture and the education of children. Actually it was the decadent ruling class who regressed into idiocy like spiritualism, occultism and finally fascism. I hate Orwell so damn much.

>>2638367
no… that's not the point at all lol…
the wars between the 3 superpowers exist, but they are highly managed kayfabe meant to destroy excess productive forces and labor power in order to stabilize production and prices. Which is actually what rajani palme dutt says about fascism. so it's 3 fascist superpowers just doing highly managed social-darwinism and death cultism eternally

Moved to >>>/siberia/744771.

Is Carney a political genius? He just needs another MP to become majority

>>2593523
he's a "progressive conservative" leader running in the liberal party, and he more favorable then Poilievre so far

>>2593523
Poilievre is just a colossal retard who blew the easiest election win in history by being too much of a Yankee blowing cuck.

Anyone actually go to the Canadian Communist Party congress that was held recently?