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Did we tried to establish communism the marxian way? Lets take Russia, China and Vietnam. They all got from feudalism to socialism without even putting down capitalism. Furthermore, if I remember correctly, the revolutions which took place in those country came from the intellectual class instead of the proletariat.
Please enlight me.

Communism hasn't been established and all those countries were/are state capitalist

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>>2816890
this is still socialism though



 

This is probably a very unpopular opinion but leftists should not oppose AI.

AI has the potential to make our lives easier as workers, but in the hands of capitalists, they will continue to extract our surplus value even as our productivity increases, exactly as happened during the Industrial Revolution. Instead of the workday being shortened, it grew longer, and under extremely harsh conditions.

We should use it to our advantage, create propaganda, videos, and information. Opposing it would be like workers in the last century refusing to use machines and instead wanting to make a revolution with picks and shovels.

Only when AI is in the hands of workers rather than the market will we be able to properly regulate its use.

>>2817713
I agree. Fuck leftists though, left wing of capital.

>>2817713
We do not have AI. We have fancy autocomplete that the bourgeoisie are going to try to use to decimate workers. It's going to fail, and the stock market is going to crash, because this fancy autocomplete is prohibitively expensive to operate.

>>2817713
Go ahead, use AI as much as you want, no one's stopping you.

>>2817713
wake me up when AI:
  • is actually intelligent, at least rivaling that of a person
  • isn't a needlessly environmentally destructive force
  • open source and readily available to anyone for implementation in applications outside of government/private sector
  • isn't a gigantic speculative bubble



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anarchist here. so i have been thinking about this a lot lately. should we be doing things to literally "seize" the means of production by producing goods and services in our own homes (for those of us lucky enough to have homes), and then giving these goods and services to others (mainly people we know such as friends etc. but giving to strangers is based too) free of charge? a sort of underground gift-based economy, that is? obviously this cannot substitute entirely for collective workers' struggle and i don't think we should stop doing that. i do think that building an underground gift economy based on homemade goods could be very beneficial to the cause of liberation though. did you know that there are fruits and vegetables you can literally grow indoors?
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>>2818173
bro got mad puss with his crazy peasant magick tho, he even got to plow the empress. Pretty cool if you ask me

>>2818175
Yes, I suppose he did. Good for him, I'm sure it brought him fulfillment and satisfaction.

>>2818177
His secret technique was that he knew women could orgasm, which wouldn't become public knowledge in russia until after the revolution. You could learn a thing or two from this guy anon

>>2818101
MODS=GODS

>>2817446
>literally "seize" the means of production
>by producing goods and services in our own homes
this is literally not seizing anything and simply trying to start your small business
>and then giving these goods and services to others […] free of charge
wait not a business, a charity
>underground gift-based economy
it will be simply irrelevant to the economy at large. Theres a reason we produce shit in massive factories and big machines, and that the rich and powerful own these. Go read some marxist theory



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the current right wing strategies

  1. thinking magic is real thus circlejerking everything you can into an ergragore

  2. waiting for a caesar to show up

  3. refusing to come to terms with china being socialist and thinking hyper accelerating finance capital will defeat it
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>>2817452
Used to. Now in the most charitable interpretation of their actions they're powerless to do anything or more likely don't give enough of a shit to do anything about it. At least the DSA isn't a major Israeli trading partner

>>2817455
how would the DSA even begin to become a trading partner lmao

China has always disputed the Golan heights and maintains diplomatic support for Palestine, asking them to be world police is just american retardium

>>2817457
My point is that if you're realistic when it comes to all aspects of China's foreign and domestic policy, you shouldn't expect a socialist organization undergoing party formation to be able to affect American foreign policy at this stage. They follow Thawabit since 2025, yet amerifats here act like they're literally Hitler and everyone in the DSA wants to vote for Dems forever to excuse themselves from joining the biggest socialist organization in their country and making their arguments inside of it rather than continuing to post and do nothing.

>>2817463
Im fine with both the DSA's actions and agree people pearl clutch to much over it.

I also think whats happening with China is they learned the lessons from invading Vietnam and from the USSR invading Afghanistan in that the US literally wants them to do his because it bleeds them dry and acts as agitprop which allows the US to portray them as the aggressors.

Do nothing win means there is no question, the US is the aggressor.

>>2817354
>You Trots/anarcho-liberals will never be aligned with the proletariat, you don't have the guts to study physics or chemistry or even biology. Your "Marxist criticism" is nothing but comfort for your narcissistic bourgeois mindset
I've done nothing but manual labor within my life. I'm aligned with the proletariat because I am a member of the proletariat, you dribbling retard. And I spend most of my workday currently with headphones on listening to audiobooks. An ad-hom is always stupid, but it's especially stupid on an anonymous imageboard where every accusation is based in nothing but speculation.

For the record, I don't care what resources you point me to, because I already know how to do my own research. I'm here specifically because I want to have a dialog. If this is not something that interests you, fine, but then it becomes questionable as to why you're here to begin with.



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I have a hard time believing that any of us would care about capitalism if we had "made" it. Through bad circumstances, bad choices, bad relationships, lowly class origins, or disability, we have ended up here at the end of history. I can't help but think about what it's like to be a winner. How often do they think about us?
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>>2816980
>if one has no stake in the capitalist system, then one may well turn against it
he is so close to realizing that it is necessary for capitalism to function that most people be proletarian and therefore have no stake in its continuation

>>2816872
CIAnonymous coming in hot with another banger.

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guy who doesn't know who friedrich engels is thread #728957972

>>2817294
>implying everyone is as moral as Engels

>>2817789
>im wrong but im going to ignore any evidence that proves me so

yeah ok



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One common stereotype regarding today’s western atheists is that they are predominantly white, male, and from Christian backgrounds, and this demographic profile stands to this day based on the latest polls on the atheist community.

And as pointed out by people like Contrapoints, both the alt-right and the SJWs of the 2010s were products of the New Atheism movement, the bulk of its members being, once again, white males from Christian households.
So this begs the question: Did they leave because the churches weren’t racist enough following the adoption of the civil rights movement’s philosophy by most churches in the 1990s?

As polemical and farfetched as it sounds, I don’t necessarily think it’s improbable given the obvious demographic profile, the fact that the decline in Christianity (in America, Canada, and Australia at least) and rise of sub-cultures were heavily driven by young middle-class white people (especially white men) who left the churches, and that was back when the churches were at least nominally anti-racist following the decline of the white nationalist movement as a significant political bloc in both the north and the new south, as well as the fact that whilst elevatorgate did drive many young white atheist men into further reactionary politics (e.g., the “redpill”, incels, scientific racism, transphobia, etc…) the reactionary streak was there since the beginning as the “four horsemen” used bait-and-switch tactics in their writings to sell the message during the GWOT era: “You don’t need to be a fundamentalist Christian to support another crusade in Iraq”, as well as the universalist civilisational rhetoric. and that was long before the “horsemen” like Harris and Dawkins began to promote a particularist view of the west as it becomes clear that its hegemony is being challenged by nominally non-liberal countries like Russia and China.

There’s also the fact that Christianity in America and elsewhere in what made up old Christendom hasn’t gained any more followers outside of mass immigration as seen how churches across Europe and elsewhere in north America and Australia need to import priests to fill the roles of the clergy as white people there don’t wanna work in churches. While it can be argued that much of it is to do with how Christianity’s universalism is clashing with the increasing particularism of white people who only want Christianity if it affirms white identitarianism, that still wouldn’t support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2816733
When did I say that

>>2815344
You brought up American prostestantism as a distinct entity out of no-where as if American protestantism is distinct from American catholicism for some reason, despite almost having the same material base, when it was Catholic judges that abolished Roe and American Catholics, outside of FOB hispanics have the same politics as protestants and argued based on scripture, as if people follow some coherent rational theology. That's why I called you an idealist.

>>2815333
>look at my random shart that displays formal membership to mainstream religious institutions that has no correlation whatsover with actual political influence

>>2816875
ding ding ding

Vulgar Whiggism is not materialist analysis. By all objective accounts Christian nationalism has never been stronger than right now. Within the US and outside of it, especially in Latin American. Radical chuches, especially those pro-civil rights have been subverted. Evangical zionism reigns hegemonically, sedevacantism is at an all time high.

OP is totally delusional.



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Hello, I'd like to let you know about the existence of an active left-wing/anti-Fascist community in the virtual world known as Second Life. They have their own land/map and do events and discussions every third day.

They do a lot of real world activism, but they also get involved in issues that might affect that virtual world. For example, they participated in the online protests against Patch Linden, a Linden Labs employee who was found to be an ageplayer (he was finally fired weeks ago) and also against several pro-Trump maps/regions.

In their next event they will have as a guest speaker a high profile psychologist to talk about several issues related to political activism. It will be on May 21st at 6:00 PM (California time) in the Grand Hustle region of Second Life.

To be part of these communities (there are several groups, more or less affiliated to each other) you only need a free Second Life account. Second Life can be played as a regular PC game, but also as a mobile or browser game.

When you get in touch with any of us in-world, feel free to ask for flags, banners, shirts or any materials we use in our protests. If you have some basic Photoshop knowledge you can make your own as well.

Well, that's all, freel free to ask anything.

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>Second Life

That's awesome

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>>2817565
I just don't want Fascists to relax, be it in the real world or the virtual one.

I wish the press would keep covering our activities though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtXyYKBtd_Q

>>/ISG/



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with trump approval rating still being so high can we say that at least 35-45% of americans will always metaphysically be Lumpen-Proletariat unless there’s something akin to a culture revolution/mass reeducation that takes place
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Marx underestimated how important ideology is.

>>2817144

“According to the materialist conception of history, the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life. More than this neither Marx nor I have ever asserted. Hence if somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract, senseless phrase.”

Engels

>>2817164
you are telling me a lot of the marxists i met online didnt know shit? because huh

>>2817196
>hate successful American businessmen and statesmen
Agreed anybody who thinks the biosphere shouldn't be wiped out does.
>like Trump
He's successful as a businessman I guess. As a statesman he's a clown, everyone knows not to listen to him.

>>2816859
it's probably more like 25-30%, and it's not entirely that they're lumpen, it's that most parties have a core support of around this size. a chunk of those aren't lumpen, but they're assholes and strongly negatively polarized against liberals. so long as the enemy is worse, it's easy to keep a chunk of your support.

UK labour is a good illustrative example. in 1983 they ran on a "notoriously" left-wing manifesto and lost badly… they got 28% of the vote. in 2005, having just started the iraq war and proven incredibly right wing in power they got… 35% of the vote. in 2010, having continued the iraq war, appointed a dour scotsman as their leader, spent years infighting, in the midst of an economic recession, having contradictory stances on immigration (at once promising "british jobs for british workers" to pander to the BNP vote and accidentally insulting a woman whining about immigration as a "bigoted woman" in a hot mic moment) they got… 29% of the vote.

why am i telling you this? to illustrate that labour loyalists were loyal to labour no matter what labour did. why? because the conservatives were always worse, and because labour always gave them a handful of breadcrumbs to show there was an inch between them and the conservatives.

in 2019 labour lost badly after a massive press and institutional campaign against the party, with its own MPs sabotaging it, and a wrecking campaign to give the party an unworkable brexit position. they got… 33% of the vote. in 2024 they ran a bland man on a bland manifesto who spent his whole time attacking the membership of the party and they won with… 32% of the vote. but these things have limits: in power, still tacking to the right, with their opposition apparently irrelevant, and still attacking their support base, the dam has given way and labour are now on 16% of the vote and falling. but this has taken more than 35 years of the party actively hating its own membership and supporters and even then half of that core still haven't abandoned the party. i personally know people who would be just as if not more scathing about the party's record and they are still party members because the party as an abstract ideal is part of their identity even as the party as an actually existing organization is half moronic and haPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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I want to start by saying that I have been involved in aid work and activism in my country for over a decade now. I have seen a lot and I think one thing that needs to be clarified is just how bad things are. Not all third-world countries are this bad, but mine is. People are living worse than animals and in absolute misery
The upper middle class tries to disconnect from this reality. They either flee to the West or isolate themselves in gated communities, but even they are still confronted with poverty. The lower classes have cheap entertainment, but they too live with delusions and fantasies. For socialists however, there is no escape. We are forced to confront this failure daily and feel powerless, knowing we cannot change anything.
Ultimately, the only conclusion we have reached is that our states desperately require centralized authority for any kind of development. Without that, we are doomed to continue living in these conditions. I am sorry but Marxist-Leninism and orthodox Marxism are not going to take hold right now. Maybe they could in the future, but at present I would describe myself simply as a socialist who wants improvement for my country and nothing else.
The only path for development in the third world is authoritarian socialism
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>>2817150
I’ve said that I don’t view Fascism as the “anti-Christ” ideology that most Western leftists do. Anything that can most effectively dismantle or radically change the current world system would be ideal. As for the diaspora, I’m ambivalent. I think they should return home with the money they make and try to improve our home nations/


>>2815824
Once again this site is filled with silicon valley type freaks and show that no hope its possible for the modern world as we have murdered any sense of imagination

>>2815839
I’m almost sickeningly curious about what’s going to happen to countries that never industrialized but still reached below-replacement birth rates. Obviously It won’t mean “my country will be extinct in 23.4 years,” but it could radically change the economy and would basically force governments to change the status quo.

>>2817423
That sounds great



 

Terrisa Bukovinac is 100% anti-Zionist and refuses to take a penny from AIPAC. She will not kiss the wall. She is also very attractive and conservative (which most working-class people are) AND a socialist. Ziorats will most likely run a smear campaign against her do she needs all the love she can get.

Reminder stopping Zionists starts with voting against their puppets in Congress. The left needs to do as much as it can for Palestine, and one of the best things it can do is campaign for politicians who are openly anti-Zionist.

And can we PLEASE get Jimmy Dore or Caleb Maupin to interview her?
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>>2817177
>kiss the wall
What?

>>2817336
Like it or not, most working-class people are twats like me.

>>2817342
I don't know why you think I'm baiting, but I can assure you I'm not.

>>2817353
Humiliation ritual

She seems like an airhead.

Leftypol mods confirmed pro-aipac, probably receive aipac money



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