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 No.1491153[Reply]

Striking Amazon workers ‘standing strong against disgusting intimidation’
STRIKING Amazon workers are “standing strong against disgusting intimidation” from bosses, they told fellow trade unionists today. Addressing a fringe meeting at GMB congress 2023, workers from the US-owned online retail giant’s Coventry warehouse slammed management for “taking us for a ride” but stressed their historic walkouts are “empowering” colleagues globally.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/striking-amazon-workers-standing-strong-against-disgus

French pension reform protesters briefly storm 2024 Olympics headquarters
French anti-pension reform protesters stormed the headquarters of the Paris 2024 Olympic Games on Tuesday as trade unions made a last-gasp attempt to pressure lawmakers into reversing President Emmanuel Macron's raising of the retirement age. BFM TV broadcast images of several dozen hard-left CGT trade union militants briefly occupying the building in Aubervilliers in northern Paris.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/protesters-prepare-last-ditch-bid-stop-french-pension-overhaul-2023-06-06/

Qatar minister picked to head UN labour conference
Qatar's labour minister was on Monday appointed without a vote to head the International Labour Organization's annual decision-making conference, despite union criticism amid concerns over labour conditions in Qatar. Asian and Pacific nations, which according to a regional rotation had dibs this year on selecting the president of the two-week International Labour Conference, had proposed Ali Bin Samikh Al-Marri. Usually, such picks are approved by acclamation, but this year, some unions had called for a vote, deeming that concerns around labour conditions in Qatar raised questions about the suitability of having a Qatari minister in the post.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/06/qatar-minister-picked-head-un-labour-conference

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SAG-AFTRA Members Vote 97.9% in Favor of Strike Authorization
The guild announced Monday night that 97.91% of the voting members supported the authorization. Turnout was 47.69%. The vote comes as the Writers Guild of America strike enters its sixth week. Many SAG-AFTRA members have already joined WGA members walking the picket lines. The leaders of both guilds have expressed solidarity with each other several times this year.
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sag-aftra-strike-authorization-vote-writers-1235633850/
https://archive.is/OLkU3

Progressive Groups Sue Mississippi Over 'Unconstitutional' Anti-Protest Law
A lawsuit filed last week by JXN Undivided Coalition, Mississippi Votes, Mississippi Poor People's Campaign, Black Voters Matter, and a trio of activists challenges S.B. 2343, which is set to take effect on July 1. The legislation required prior approval from Public Safety Commissioner Sean Tindell or Capitol Police Chief Bo Luckey for public demonstrations on the grounds of or near state government buildings including the Capitol Complex, Governor's Mansion, state Supreme Court, and other edifices.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/mississippi-anti-protest

'Shameless Greed': Pharma Giant Merck Sues to Kill Medicare Drug Price Negotiations
Merck on Tuesday became the first pharmaceutical company to sue the Biden administration over a recently enacted law that empowers Medicare to directly negotiate the prices of a small number of high-cost prescription medicines with drug makers—a change that could threaten Merck's bottom line.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/merck-medicare-drug-price-negotiations

Atlanta project decried as ‘Cop City’ gets funding approval from City Council
The 11-4 vote just after 5 a.m. is a significant victory for Mayor Andre Dickens, who has made the $90 million project a large part of his first term in office, despite pushbaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Imran Khan: U.S. Was Manipulated by Pakistan Military Into Backing Overthrow
Imran Khan became Pakistan’s prime minister through a most unusual route. As he explained in an interview on Sunday night, Khan was for decades the nation’s most famous cricketer, before transitioning into the world of philanthropy, building hospitals and supporting universities. From there, he moved into politics, founding a party — the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or PTI — and sweeping into power in 2018. But he had a slim majority, and was ousted in a no-confidence vote by 2022. Since then, he and his party have been the target of a relentless crackdown by the nation’s military, which has ruled the country directly or indirectly for decades. Khan was arrested on May 9, 2023, by the military, and held for four days before the Supreme Court ruled his detention illegal. Protests erupted nationwide, some turning violent, and the military establishment responded by arresting most of Khan’s senior leadership and forcing them to resign from the party under pressure. Thousands of rank-and-file party workers have also been jailed. Khan, meanwhile, is holed up in his home in Lahore, sifting through some 150 charges of corruption and other offenses that have been leveled at him — charges he and his supporters dismiss as politically motivated. Yet Khan remains a popular political figure heading into elections that are scheduled for October. He joined me last night to discuss his career, the political crisis facing Pakistan, and his diminishing hope for a negotiated resolution. What follows is a condensed version of our conversation; the transcript has been edited for clarity.
https://theintercept.com/2023/06/05/imran-khan-interview/

The Recent SCOTUS Ruling Against Unions Was Bad. But It Could’ve Been Far Worse.
The US Supreme Court’s decision in Glacier Northwest v. Teamsters Local 174 is outrageous — valuing property over workers’ rights. But it could have been much worse. Unions still have the right to strike. Employers still can’t generally sue unions in state court for losses caused by strikes. But the decision does open the door to whittling away those rights more in the future. The practical impact of the court’s decision is that employers will be suing unions more often for alleged property damage caPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Picrel is news anon

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Thanks News Anon



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 No.744595[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This is the thread dedicated to researching, discussing, exploring, and laughing at, that element of the far right which we have come to term "esoteric hitlerist" but more broadly a thread for documenting the extreme right.

To sum up, as it says in the title, this entire strand of thought is more or less an intelligence operation carried out mostly by pedophiles, with a strong satanic/ esoteric influence. On top of this, there are several interesting connections to these operations and operatives and Zionism.

The purpose of these operations, as are the purpose of all CIA operations, is to suppress and destroy the real movement that abolishes the present state of things, the mass movement of organised workers, the socialist and communist movement.

What follows is a series of links, references and thoughts which document this feature of capitalist hegemony.


Link to last thread archive:

>>>/leftypol_archive/498722

https://web.archive.org/web/20220213224836/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/56299.html

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>>1484695
objective *moral facts

 No.1484724

>>1484709
What difference does it make whos responsibility it is? one thing for sure, the harm was done, no other way of seeing that.
prevention is what matters not blame.

 No.1490776

>>1419680
those people didn't exist until recently, coinciding with the collapse of neoliberalism in 2001/2008.

 No.1490852

>>841995
Context? I want to read more about this incident.

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 No.1491074[Reply]

The world is obviously an awful place, it always was and probably always will be.
the issue with so many leftists I see is that they get the intentions right, they push for things like "humanism", fairness and happiness but they so blindly believe in their own make up belief "progress" that they come off as incredibly naive.

anyone who has observed and studied reality up to a certain degree would see that all there is is the struggle against chaos, be it the struggle of overcoming the cruelty and chaos of nature and evolution or capitalism. leftists blindly believe in "progress" just like how the Christians believe in redemption.
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 No.1491124

All the others became rightists or dead

 No.1491130

>>1491074
Pessimism of the mind, Optimism of the will.

You want to proceed with a strategically-mediated and self aware course of action that will result in a better future while also being honest with yourself about the actual state of things.

 No.1491133

>>1491074
>leftists blindly believe in "progress" just like how the Christians believe in redemption.
we are fully aware that reactionaries can take power and reverse "progress," but we are also aware that it is very difficult to reverse historical development without severe consequences, which is why most reactionary regimes are only able to reverse things temporarily

 No.1491135

I have to keep myself wired with a false sense of security or I will kill myself

 No.1491140

>>1491090
The key is to accept that life is horrible while not over indulging in negative thoughts. One can accept the horribleness and do things to minimize suffering of oneself and others.



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 No.1490020[Reply]

Juche is simply National Socialism, but Korean and without all the warmongering and perversion. There are many places in the world that I'd like to live in less than the DPRK.
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 No.1490583

Juche is certainly a nationalist socialism.

but so is M-L, only to a lesser degree

 No.1490585

>Juche is socialism
Wrong.

 No.1490616

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<woke: North Korea is a national socialist nazbol state w/ Korean characteristics
>bespoke: North Korea is a people's paektu dynasty & KJU is their King

 No.1490716

Whenever someone says something like, "x is just y but painted red" I automatically assume they don't actually know anything about x. Explain juche too me without saying "it's basically just…"

 No.1491098

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Juche and so-called "National Socialism" are literally two very different things. Naziism was revanchist German imperialism that looked to make Germany the master of Europe, with other nationalities enslaved or liquidated. The DPRK came from Korean anti-colonialist movement that fought against Japan, which was Germany's close ally. Those who compare communism with fascism or anti-colonialism to colonialism are nothing less than fascist apologists.



 No.1477586[Reply]

Obviously Secret Societies play a role in conspiracy theories but a) how much power do they actually have? b) what role do they have in shaping world events and c)if they are so effective why can't communists make a secret society to overthrow capitalism? though im sure some rightoids already think this is the goal of already existing secret societies

Why can't we just make 'the order of the red hammer' or something?
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>>1477586
>>1478429
Neo-Blanquist revolution is the only viable political strategy these days. A Neo-Blanquist movement would include the following tactics:

>Promotion of a 'populist' opposition party championed by a charismatic leader-figure

>Operating media/propaganda outlets responsible for promoting said opposition party
>Covert installation of comrades at high levels within the military and civil bureaucracy
>Fundraising for the above, done as legally as possible

A secret society of leadership cadres would be essential in coordinating all these tactics, while concealing the ultimate goal of the movement as a whole.

The ultimate goal of Neo-Blanquism is an 'internal color revolution' aimed at taking state power. The movement would build up their charismatic opposition figure while denouncing the political establishment, until a 'crisis' opportunity like a disputed election or the passing of an unpopular policy presents itself. They would call for mass street protests at this moment with a massive media blitz, inviting otherwise unorganized workers to demonstrate nonviolently against the regime (while demanding the controlled opposition figure take power). Any attempt at police repression would strengthen the movement's resolve. Ultimately the incumbent bourgeois politician should be forced to abdicate, while the opposition figure is hurriedly installed in power.

Once in power, the Neo-Blanquist leadership sect consolidates power through its media arm and those cadres already installed within the military and the civilian state, purging political opponents and installing more friendly figures in power. With the state thus conquered, the movement could then begin governing society in the interest of the proletariat.

 No.1487187

>>1487168
Impossible. This would brew opportunistic fuckers who would turn on you at the first sign of weakness.

 No.1490855

>>1486271
I agree with the first half of your post up to (not including)
>Marxism is a materialist philosophy, not an idealistic one.
Btw Kabbalah is a branch of Gnosis. See Joseph v. Hammer's Mysterium Baphometis Revelatum, or Charles W. King The Gnostics and their Remains.
https://anonfiles.com/19yf63y9uc/Mysterium_Baphometis_Revelatum_ENG_pdf
https://archive.org/details/cu31924029323858

>>1486145
>>1486279
Uh, can you define capitalism please?
I think we are talking about different things.
For me, capitalism equals free market and voluntarism.
Not a bunch of people who have no ownership of, nor are affected in any way (pollution, noise, etc.) by my own private property, time, body and whatever I do with it.

>>1486287
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>>1478055
Same reasoning behind the sanctimony of the ritualistic pomp and circumstances of monarchies btw. King Charles' coronation ceremony was just a way to obscure the fact through godly incantation that he and his kin are a bunch of unappointed social parasites who were born into their positions.

 No.1492171

>>1490855
>Not a bunch of people who have no ownership of, nor are affected in any way (pollution, noise, etc.) by my own private property, time, body and whatever I do with it telling me what to do and what not to do.
Sorry, somehow I failed to finish that sentence.



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 No.1490340[Reply]

In principle, socialism and liberalism are different projects, with different core principles. This fundamental difference is important to keep in mind at all times. In practice, however, socialists and left-liberals often overlap on specific issues. When they do, there are opportunities to encourage people who are engaged in liberal politics to reorient towards socialism.

Calling someone a 'liberal' or a 'conservative' or anything else assumes that the mode of political action they happen to be engaged in is central to who they are as a human being. Sometimes this is the case, but often it isn't. Often, people engage in whatever politics makes sense to them and seems convenient. This incoherence creates openings or hooks to draw people in to socialist struggle.
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 No.1490571

>>1490561
>They'll be radicalized when they're starving
Most realistic socialist.

>like the hobo from cyberpunk2020

I mean, if John Wick told them to come with him they probably would just because of charisma.

 No.1490573

>>1490563
>Socialism is classical liberalism taken to its extreme conclusion
This uniqqa knows the Smithian roots in Marxism. Good knowledge of socialist history, take a cookie.

 No.1490582

>>1490536
>capitalism must be allowed to deterritorialize society fully before socialism can emerge
Already happened, like Frédéric Lordon said recently, "there is no alternative, but this time it is ours" because liberalism can't address fundamental problems like rising inequalities and climate change anymore.
>>1490557
>Those who do convert are usually pretty open-minded in the first place, a rarity in the age of the infowars.
Look at what happens in France, sometimes it's like flipping a switch, as neoliberals become more desperate for profits, they do shit that piss off normal working people, zoomers and boomers.
I hope some Americans realize the recent legalization of child labor by some federal states is a way for the ruling class to lower the cost of their labor, in response to increasing unionization in the US. I hope this realization will stay deeply embed in their mind. Maybe, one day, the switch will flip there too.
>>1490561
>They'll be radicalized when they're starving.
Perhaps, I hope so, we will go through the "things need to get worse before they get better" path whenever we want it or not I guess, but I think if Marx would saw the level of development of productive forces in our era, and how pacified we are, all around the world, he would write at least 30,000 pages to cope
>>1490563
True. It's the opposite of Carlyle basically.

 No.1490610

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Progressive liberals frequently have the same overall goals as socialists: reduce economic inequality, improve rights and potential of disadvantaged groups (women, sex minorities, racial/religious minorities, … )
They merely associate with liberalism because it is the status quo, because they think their goals are feasible under liberalism, or because they consider socialism either failed or brutal. The proglib->soc pipeline flows with each time bernie gets run over by a bus he was thrown under

 No.1490611

>>1490561
>They'll be radicalized when they're starving.
Shit conditions + shit worldview is how you get fascism
We still need to shift the public consciousness.



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 No.1484318[Reply]

Since the situation seems to heat up (and I am not neccessarily happy about, its thinking this will not neccessarily stay a nothingburger), Id suggest we make a Kosovo general

LATEST NEWS

>U.S. Soldiers from the 76th Infantry Brigade Combat Team of the Indiana Army National Guard were spotted earlier today Protecting the Administrative Building alongside the recently Elected Albanian-Mayor for the Town of Leposaviq in Northern Kosovo; the 76th IBCT has been Deployed to Kosovo to assist (KFOR) the NATO Peacekeeping Mission in the Country since November of 2022.

https://nitter.cz/sentdefender/status/1663917816557318145 (shitty acc but factual text)

>Serbia has put its military on the highest level of combat alert as unrest in neighbouring Kosovo reaches alarming new heights

https://nitter.cz/10NewsFirst/status/1663453921539506176
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 No.1488251

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 No.1488252

Kosovo, Also known as northwest Israel by all multipolar experts

 No.1488254

>>1487569
They are lumpen pawns of imperialist forces

 No.1488263

>>1487569
A long history of tightly packed cultures that have fought over the sane peninsula with one another and with outside influence on each of them.

 No.1490224

r/balkans would be having a field day over this if it still existed.



 No.1490004[Reply]

Progressives protest persecution of anti-fascists in Germany
They were protesting prison sentences given to antifa activist Lina E (28) and three other co-defendants—Lennart A, Jonathan Philipp M, and Jannis R—by the Higher Regional Court of Dresden on May 31. The four were charged with attacks on far-right extremists between 2018 to 2022 and running a left-wing extremist group. The court sentenced Lina E to five years and three months in prison and gave shorter sentences to the other three.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/06/05/progressives-protest-persecution-of-anti-fascists-in-germany/

Russian autoworkers protest low wages
Workers at an auto factory in Ulyanovsk, Russia, spontaneously shut down production on May 17 in protest over low wages. The plant is owned by one of the country’s major producers of buses, trucks and off-road vehicles for consumers, the government and the military. Activity was brought to a halt for several hours when dozens of men and women laid down their tools at the lunch hour and refused to restart the line until that night.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/06/05/hobl-j05.html

Hundreds of Thousands March for Polish Opposition Ahead of Vote
Hundreds of thousands joined the march, which was convened by former European Council President Donald Tusk to coincide with the anniversary of the first, partially free elections in the former Soviet bloc in 1989. Some waved national and European Union flags, while others held placards calling for a free and fair vote.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-04/hundreds-of-thousands-march-for-polish-opposition-ahead-of-vote
https://archive.is/ZCvT3

Scottish council plans to fire hundreds of nursery workers and rehire them on cheaper wages
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FREE LINA E

 No.1490034

NDFP: Resist Land Reclamation Projects On Negros Island
The population of Negros Island has every right to resist massive land reclamation projects that will displace urban poor and fishing communities and disrupt their livelihood, affect food supply and drastically destroy the environment amidst worsening climate change. These land reclamation projects are clearly for the interests of big business and for the swelling pockets of bureaucrat capitalists. More than a thousand hectares of land is targeted for reclamation in Bacolod City, Negros Occidental Province, particularly Barangays Banago, 1 and 2 while a 174-hectare reclamation project is threatening the coastline of Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental Province. After reclamation, these areas will accommodate international ports, economic zones and commercial facilities. Local bureaucrats of both cities are in connivance with big business and foreign investors and are staunch instruments of neo-liberal policies.
https://www.redspark.nu/en/peoples-war/ndfp-resist-land-reclamation-projects-on-negros-island/v

With the Debt Ceiling Deal, Joe Biden Has Abandoned Student Debtors
What President Joe Biden is selling as a win for student loan borrowers in the debt ceiling deal is actually a forfeiture of his own authority to help debtors and a ticking time bomb for tens of millions of Americans. Biden could still move to save his student debt cancellation agenda from conservative sabotage — but instead his administration has been downplaying the threat and assuring borrowers that everything is going to be just fine. Student loan payments have been on pause for the past three years, as part of a COVID-19-era relief program initiated by former president Donald Trump. In one of a series of concessions to Republicans during the recent debt ceiling standoff, Biden must restart student loan payments by the end of this summer. That means more than forty million Americans will be once again crushed by debt, but it also strips Biden of his best tool to defend his broader student debt cancellation program: delay. His order to cancel up to $20,000 in debt for federal borrowers is expected to be struck down by the Supreme Court any day now — making it an inopportune moment for Biden to relinquish his power to ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>1490016
Cornel West announces US presidential campaign with the People’s party
Cornel West, the 70-year-old activist and public intellectual, announced on Monday that he is running for president in the 2024 election as a candidate for the People’s party. West made the announcement in a video posted to Twitter, saying that he had “decided to run for truth and justice”. “I come from a tradition where I care about you,” West said. “I care about the quality of your life, I care about whether you have access to a job with a living wage, decent housing, women having control over their bodies, healthcare for all.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/05/cornel-west-2024-presidential-run-announce

 No.1490082

>>1490050
>Cornel West announces US presidential campaign with the People’s party
>70 years old
do burgers have an old person fetish

 No.1490165

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Thanks News Anon



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 No.1488765[Reply]

Any thoughts on this? For a quick primer, cliodynamics is basically quantitative historical analysis. Using what amounts to big data analytics, it builds computer models of macrohistorical trends to identify patterns and predict developments. By this method Turchin himself has claimed to have discovered certain formulas for civil unrest, though Marxist theorists could have told you most of that without the models. He claims that many years ago he predicted that civilization would enter an age of instability starting in the 2020s.

Some of cliodynamic's findings are as follows: Societies tend to function in circular centennial patterns of uptrends and downtrends, “an alternation of integrative and disintegrative phases lasting for roughly a century” as he puts it . The three most robust predictive metrics for societal collapse are a wealth disparity and declining wages, "elite overproduction" (too many highly educated people with not enough positions of power for them to fill), and an increase in public debt. Another is what he calls the "wealth pump" , where wealth is funneled up to the rich away from the poor, which usually marks the end of the integrative phase and the beginning of the disintegrative phase.
He claims to identify four major power sectors, the militaristic, financial, bureaucratic and ideological, which in good times, remain aligned, but begin to fall out of joint with one another and begin to squabble.

In my opinion, I like data based models. However, a model is not an explanatory theory. It is inert. And in that sense, Turchin does not go far enough. He has snapshots, but does not tie them together, probably because he wouldn't like where it would lead him: to Marx.
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 No.1489144

>>1488765
>By this method Turchin himself has claimed to have discovered certain formulas for civil unrest, though Marxist theorists could have told you most of that without the models
When scientists and analytic philosophers discover the same shit as political theorists and continental philosophers several centuries later.

More reasons to be well-versed in disciplines outside of STEM. Take that, scientologists!

 No.1489698

>>1489144
It's the same deal with math.

 No.1489707

i came across turchin a long time ago because i was a neet with lots of time on my hands obsessed with patter and cycles in history, thinking i could find some secret patterns to help me tell the future.
Whats funny is that he uses science to analyze history but it comes off like some weirdo shit

 No.1489987

>>1489057
I understand the point that you are making through irony, but these theories are not really about the structural causes of unemployment, but about the consequences and some vague correlations
doesn't seem very useful but I guess the guy is filling his white paper quota or some other grift

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The difference between pseudoscience and science is that scientists can make predictions that actually come true.
What has he predicted that came true?
Great, now please put it where the AGW models belong.

>He claims that many years ago he predicted that civilization would enter an age of instability starting in the 2020s

I never saw as many people conforming to commands given by the ruling class as in 2020.



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 No.1490503[Reply]

Uhh isn't this the basic point of socialism, why did Orwell decide to construe the working class as a bunch of illiterate animals?

 No.1490504

Because he didn't write it.
Eric Arthur Blair died while on Spain and then the british goverment decided to use his name.

 No.1490505

>>1490503
>why did Orwell decide to construe the working class as a bunch of illiterate animals?
not a big fan of orwell, but in 1984 he construes them not as animals but as humans who have been deprived of education by the Inner Party, made to toil day in and day out, and kept placated by substance abuse. The illiteracy is just a side effect of this. Winston goes to talk to some proles and find that they have very little in the way of historical memory and many of them are drunk. It's not that they're naturally like this, it's that the party made them that way to control them.

1984 vuvuzela no iphone

 No.1490506

they had sex in that book

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 No.1490508

Gee I don't know



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