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>>2634654
If somebody is going to hide behind AI, Pretend to be credentialed and never show their face or voice, nobody is going to trust them, yes.
Back to /ISG/ with your 'muh vtubing muh drawsona' nobody here cares about or even to know what these things mean.

>>2634553
Dr Décodé is incredible

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>>2634672
>i can't say why he's wrong or attack his arguments, so I'll get mad at the tech he uses to make his vids

you are also without credentials and you hide behind anonymity also. we all do. noibody cares about bourgeois credentialism anymore. anyone can say shit. a pedophile who somehow bankrupted casinos runs my country and a busdriver ran venezuela. you have no real arguments about why decode is wrong because you won't even digest the material. in the time you spent bitching, you could have just ignored it and moved on with your life



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PMC leftists when blue collars whine about immigrants taking their jerbs
>Why are these people so backwards and stupid? Don't they know that wages already declined even before immigration and that immigrants mostly take over jobs that nobody wants to work with in the first place?

PMC leftists when AI take their jobs:
>NO AI SLOP SLOP FUCK AI I HATE AI LYNCH AI BURN THE DATASERVERS

And no, i'm not justifying anti immigration nativism, the point against them are valid and true. But those same points apply with AI. Wages are already declining long before AI is a thing, and AI is used primarily, in the creative industry setting, for entry level jobs with low wages that nobody wants to work in. You know, like making codemonkey scripts or making fillers for game backgrounds. But its the fucking hypocrisy i can't stand: you guys can correctly see through hysteria when it affects the blue collars, but when it affects your substratum's interest, your creative art making and programming jobs, suddenly you become as insane as the most rabid nativists who think that haitians are eating cat and dogs
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Because a job that AI can "do" was not real in the first place, because AI is useless.

This is why non-twitter artists have been and will remain fine, actual programmers have been and will remain fine, every job that AI claims it will replace have been and will remain fine. JavaScript framework devs, marketing, tech support and managerial jobs, however, are fucked because they weren't doing anything competent, useful or conceptually coherent to begin with, so now that we have a generalized method of automating doing a job badly, these jobs will cease to exist after the AI bubble.

>>2602231
Inane and inaccurate.

>>2602241
Your AI concubine will not survive the bubble, cope.

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>>2634266
Intersectional analysis eating good tonight?

>>2602231
Is this invoking 'bullshit jobs'? Because most of what you described IS actually useful, just for their firm's capitalists, which is why most (non-capitalist) people fail to see the use in such labor. The use-value of marketing is to modify demographics of consumers into recognizing–if not valorizing–the subject of advertising. Something innocuous like a PSA campaign operates on the same process as commodity advertising. The difference is, advertising commodities enables the capturing of additional surplus value from commodities that might otherwise be wasted in competing with other capitalist firms. Something like how color was genderized in the United States in an advertising campaign allowed for a greater portion of clothes to be sold from what was already able to be manufactured, as wardrobes between boys and girls were further separated, hand-me-downs became less prevalent, among other things. Advertising can also enable rentier-like structures, where the valorization of certain name-brands–protected by intellectual property–can capture surplus value that is more than that of the advertised commodity from the wages and earnings of consumers (mostly workers).

So, no. It's more accurate to say that AI will *displace* those jobs you mentioned. Hopefully this means the professionals in those jobs become thoroughly and ruthlessly proletarianized, too.



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Something I find a little strange, or perhaps just misunderstand, is that marxism is posited to be an morally unconcerned, descriptive theory, yet its adherents often don't adopt that attitude whatsoever. Most marxists I've ever met are activists and have a clear ethical problem with capitalism. However, this ethical problematization is never seemingly justified, just presupposed and unexamined. I don't think that's necessarily an inherent problem but it seems to run counter to the idea of the supposed amoralism of marxism. That supposed amoralism is used to counter liberal sentimentality yet it isn't actually amoralistic itself. You could probably even criticize Marx and Engels themselves for this, owing to their active engagement with a communist movement. If it's true that capitalism's collapse is an inevitability and the theory posts only that then why even concern yourself with ensuring or disrupting that outcome? Even if you want to argue that it is only a likely event and not strictly determined, from that we still don't have a reason as to why anybody should care, really. From the theory, communism is neither a positive nor a negative development, only a transformation. You could make an argument that you have a personal or community interest in communism but that would be an external moral argument that has no direct bearing on marxism.
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>>2633402
>i think this is the most reasonable position since its true you cant derive is from ought but the only thing you have to accept for marxist "ethics" to be true is that humans should exist and everything else follows
i broadly agree with this post, but where i break with you is when you say "humans should exist" is a sufficient premise from which to derive some kind of distilled ethics of marxian communism. kings and capitalists exist, as do serfs and proles. for me, the basic ethical premise which underlies any reasoned reflection on communism as the real movement abolishing the current state of things and what should be done to further it would be more like "people should exist without class distinction". the historical novelty of the proletariat, and why we hypothesize it as the world-historically revolutionary subject, is that it is the working class in the period of human history which first produces productive means sufficient to universalize itself as the only class through revolutionary activity, and thus is the first revolutionary working class historically capable of abolishing class distinction as such. what is important isn't so much a universalist humanism, which is arguably something more proper to the development of bourgeois society, but the universalization of a particular class position which simultaneously abolishes class position as a meaningful category.

>>2633486
yeah i get what you mean i just think class distinctions are in contradiction with humans existing long term. thats what i mean by the proletarian standpoint being universal and common ruin. even if you might be better off as a self interested capitalist in the term of your 70 year life your childrens children wont exist if the planet burns up and class distinctions necessarily develope into capitalism industrialization and climate catastrophe. like the proles arent the universal class merely because they are a majority but because they represent the emergent face of humanity as a self directed organism become actualized

>>2631856
There's different kinds of morals. It depends on the type of Marxism, because academic marxism can definitely be turned into something purely descriptive, but Marx himself was intervening in proletarian struggles. His standpoint, and the standpoint of communists, is that what's good for the proletariat is good. And what's good is simple, it's whatever increases our wellbeing and furthers our interests.

>>2634069
By different kinds of morals i mean there's stuff like "freedom is good" and then there's like "it's bad if i starve". And there are morals that people try to put on others in order to give universal laws that all fall under, and then there's just the personal, biological even, value systems that are innate to us as living creatures. Something that hurts is bad so I'll avoid it. It's miles apart from "everyone must strive for truth and justice". The higher type of morality is what liberals play around with, and the lower is what communists rely on.

>>2631856

The "amoralism" of Marxism is the descriptive study of where morality comes from, not a prescription to have no morals, those are in fact inescapable and propel the class struggle itself at the level of superstructural consciousness. Under class society, the oppressed have their own morality based on experiential affective understanding of the suffering caused by their oppression, the oppressors have their own morality based on the dehumanization of the oppressed, so as to not share their suffering, so as to benefit materially from it. If you materially benefit from Palestinian genocide you'll likely have genocidal morality, and if you don't you'll be horrified when you find out the Zionist entity is a fully committed genocidal society, and be compelled to support the liberation of Palestinians, whose suffering your material conditions allow you to empathize with.

But don't confuse this with merely stating that morality is historically contingent and you have no reason to oppose Zionism beyond your arbitrary circumstances. Marxism is no Postmodernism, because the latter rejects material reality as the ultimate source of "social constructs". Our true, non-historically contingent claim to righteousness is that empathy with fellow human beings allows for true scientific thinking, since to deny the humanity of the oppressed is to disregard their experienced reality as an object of serious dialectical inquiry, and at a greater degree it necessitates foregoing dialectical thinking entirely in favor of ideology to gaslight the oppressed out of their own experienced reality and to essentialize the system of oppression, denying the very reality of historical progress. Marx argues this when he analyzes that Aristotle could only gleam the form of value in exchange value, but not the substance of value in human labor, due to his class position in a slave society founded on the moral supposition of the inequality of men and thus their labor powers.

This is why we use scientific Marxism as our weapon of choice in the class struggle, while the reactionaries use eleven varieties of stupid retarded ideological bullshit, the most effective being identitarian fascism which is predicated on total dehumanization of the other, and on the other hand amoral utilitarian thinking, which allows for effective rational thinking completely taking incPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

How was he so based, and why has no other socialist leader even come close to accomplishing what he did? I don't 100% love everything the guy did, but I really do think that he's greatly underappreciated as both a theoretician and a leader.
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>>2634362
De-facto eurocommunist

>>2634367
Useless

Killalldengists

>>2608523
>Le successful Gorbachev!
MLs are genuinely pitiable people
I mean they would be if they didn’t deserve a brick to the face more than pity but yea

>>2610090
>Communism is just le magical label referring to nothing real
The only future for communism starts with either re-educating or outright murdering every single Stalinist/Marxist-Leninist; if this is not accomplished the future of the worker’s movement will continue to be deferred



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https://medium.com/message/how-white-people-got-made-6eeb076ade42
It started in the late 1600s in America, but like so many scams, it spiraled out of control until it had a life of its own.

Not long after Europeans started arriving on the east coast of North America and the Caribbean Islands they found themselves rich in land but desperate for labor to work the land. The answer they struck upon was importation of bond labor, initially mostly Irish. The Irish had not been considered fully human under English law for centuries, and they ended up in plantations and working sugar under the Caribbean sun. The easy part of importing Irish (and Scottish) slave labor was that they were right next to England. The downside is there wasn’t enough of them for the amazing amounts of land laid before the eager English settlers, and thus the Atlantic slave trade with Africa was born. This is the story we hear in school, but the abridged version we get, intentionally or not, hides the scam of it. Initially the bond terms of convict, Scotch-Irish, and African labor was a set period of time, at the end of which they received bond money and their freedom in this new land. In fact, not that many bondsmen and women lived to be free, but some did, and established themselves as a mixed-race, free peasantry of the new world. If you’ve ever wondered where the free blacks of so many stories of early America came from, a large number were the families of freed African bond laborers.

As time went on, the labor needs of the land holders continued to grow, and desperate to cultivate the land, they were loathe to let go of their bond servants and the bondsmen and bondswomen’s children (whom they kept in bondage for a legally defined time as well). In the mean time, a growing American peasantry was proving as difficult to govern as the European peasantry back home, periodically rising up in riot and rebellion, light skinned and dark skinned together. The political leaders of the Virginia colony struck upon an answer to all these problems, an answer which plagues us to this day.

The Virginians legislated a new class of people into existence: the whites. They gave the whites certain rights, and took other rights from blacks. White, as a language of race, appears in Virginia around the 1680s, and seems to first appear in Virginia law in 1691. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Nobody cares about this Allenite slop, everyone knows Yakub created whitoids to punish the rest of the world

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🇨🇳🇺🇲🇪🇺 A thread for all-things multipolaroidistical 🇷🇺🇮🇳🇮🇷
Pioneer's edition
In spite of the seething of many supposedly 'leftist comrades', America's unipolar dominance is weakening every day and we move ever closer into a multipolar world. It is clear to any good faith communist that a multipolar world just means that: transitioning from American unipolarity to multipolarity, and that does not automatically mean the expansion and consolidation of socialism. The latter gains more opportunities in this new state of affairs, but nothing is given on a silver platter - communists still have to seize the day. If we make the mistake of thinking multipolarity is socialism, we might as well end up with a multiple poles of fascism and reaction. This is understood by communists, real ones, not agents of NATO clad in 'red aesthetics'. The latter strawman the 'multipolarity=communism' nonsense precisely to then dismantle it and thus ridicule and 'defeat' multipolaristas, doing the work of the NATO Moloch.
'''Multipolaristas, let this thread be a place where all developments concerning the advent of multipolarity is posted and compiled.

https://emmanueltodd.substack.com/p/diverging-populisms :: Diverging populisms, Emmanuel Todd

https://youtu.be/UMgkvvu_pnU :: West's Failure to Adjust to a Multipolar World, John Mearsheimer

https://youtu.be/US7oycLV5ZE :: Avec le PRCF, Rencontre Internationale, faire front anti impérialiste pour la paix et la liberté, Pôle de Renaissance Communiste en France
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>>2634344
Vietnam and SEA states are likely to remain largely neutral in the PRC vs USA conflict, with the exception of the cucklippines.

>>2615104
Are you four years old?

>>2634357
Cringe. Abolish markets, abolish private property.

>>2634449
Do it. Press the abolsih button.

>>2634449
um sweety that would break the people's capitalism



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The absolute state of the discourse on this board lately is pathetic. It’s almost 2026 and I’m still seeing "socialists" parroting CIA talking points like they’re reading from the Black Book of Communism. It’s time to filter the radlibs and the ultras who care more about moral purity than winning.

If we actually apply historical materialism instead of utopian wish-casting, it becomes obvious that Stalin and Deng aren't just "good" – they are the two greatest practitioners of Marxism in history because they did what Western leftists refuse to do: they prioritized the survival of the revolution over the approval of the bourgeoisie.

1. Stalin: The Shield
Stop crying about "authoritarianism" and read Losurdo. His Critique of a Black Legend completely exposes how the "millions dead" narrative is just recycled Nazi war propaganda that the West adopted during the Cold War. The "Holodomor" wasn't a genocide; it was a combination of kulak sabotage and cyclical drought that the Soviets eventually ended through collectivization. Stalin understood that you don't survive capitalist encirclement with good vibes. He took a country of wooden plows and turned it into a nuclear superpower in a single generation. He purged the fifth columnists because he knew a war of annihilation was coming. Without that "authoritarianism," the Wehrmacht would have wiped the Slavs off the map.

2. Deng: The Sword
The hate for Deng is even more embarrassing. You guys claim to care about the poor but hate the man who oversaw the greatest poverty alleviation program in human history? Deng understood that "poverty is not socialism." He developed the productive forces necessary to compete with the West. And regarding 1989: He saved China from the fate of the USSR. Tiananmen was a textbook color revolution, backed by Western NGOs and intelligence. Deng saw Gorbachev selling out to Pizza Hut and realized that sometimes you have to crush a counter-revolution to preserve the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Because he had the spine to do that, China is now mogging the US economy while Russia spent the 90s getting looted by oligarchs.

TL;DR
Parenti said it best in Blackshirts and Reds: you people want a revolution without a revolution. You want a clean, safe process that never makes mistakes and never exercises power. That doesn't exist. Stalin secured the state; Deng secured the economy. If you reject them, you’re not Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2629216
lenin, stalin and even bukharin would do the same

ᴉuᴉlossnW would be in love tho

>>2628686
demcent is really easy just accept the majority vote and dont be a wrecker


>>2628979
<Lenin:
a. How long did the NEP last?
b. What did Lenin say about the burgeoning bureaucracy and about it wielding something?
<Mao:
a. While the CPC under Mao's leadership (the pupils of the just successful anti-fascist USSR, collectivized, industrialized, centrally planned, before supercomputers) focused on both social and material conditions, what did Mao think Deng's perspective lacked and the consequences of downplaying one?
b. According to the CPC during 1950s-to-1960s, what are the adverse consequences to socialist internationalism by adopting a rightist and social-imperialist line, first emerging in the CPSU with Khrushchev's clique, then also being struggled against in the PRC?
c. Why was the Cultural Revolution started?
d. What are some of Mao's final statements on Deng near the end of Mao's life?
e. What differentiates Chinese foreign policy from the 50s to mid 70s vs late 70s to today?
<Xi:
a. If the CPC several years under the leadership of Xi Jinping in 2017 tried to strip the DPRK of its main method of defending itself, nuclear armaments, in chorus with the G7/NATO imperialists; what in US-China relations changed in 2018 that made China less interested? And does that reflect a deeply set bourgeois (profit motive, competing capitals) vs proletarian (revolutionary, socialist) internationalism guiding their overall strategy?




 

Nobody cares about "revisionism". Nobody cares if you think socialism ended in the USSR in 1953 or whatever. Nobody cares about your position on debates and splits that took place decades before they were born. What people *do* care about is that socialism and can solve the problems that face them, like poverty and colonialism. I've seen people here ridicule the notion that socialism is helping people but there is really no other way to build power. People did not follow Lenin because he had the right ideas but because the Bolsheviks were the only conceivable solution that didn't end in what would later be known as fascism. Why does the CPC have near-universal approval in China? Because their system works and it provides for the people. Almost nobody there wants to return to the days of the Cultural Revolution. And where is anti-revisionist cause celebre Albania today? Now just another NATO puppet state. The entire concept of "anti-revisionism" is anti-materialist because it puts ideas before people. It doesn't matter if you have the right ideas because Marxism was never about having the right ideas. What matters is having the right practice. Here's another truke: If your system can be undone by a single bad actor with mere decrees, then maybe it was useless and was never going to make it in the first place.
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>>2559014
Kamala stans make the exact faggot argument OP did
Your mum should kill herself

What do you determine is useful information and what's not? That's the more important question. Until we talk about that it will be endless shitflinging between the two extremes.

>>2559451
>What do you determine is useful information and what's not?
Emprical evidence of it working in real life or not.

>>2532299
There is truth behind this post but it only is correct about imperialist countries.

dont care didnt ask



 

I'm not really active here anymore, but I have to post this. Who's ready for the Sino-European alliance against United States Imperialism?

(Or in ten years time, a Greenland Conference on the Zones of Occupation between Von der Leyen and Xi Jingping, and whoever else decides to join in the mess)
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>>2633998
Leftcom gives an unmaterialist argument

>>2633774
they don't really have to. just stop feeding trump's soldiers: they haven't been paid for like six months and are stuck overseas with no rotation out in sight.

>>2633979
not sure what the fight would be. the number of american bases is staggering, hundreds of legal ones and probably a fuckload of brownstone epstein apartments blacksites.

having said that, even if the us already has bases in europe, they're all manned by europeans so they don't even have to raid/roadblock them they can just walk one building over to arrest the seppo commanders.

>>2634038
also, having said this out loud. it's fucking stupid that we accept weak liberal lies about how durable globalism is and how their hands are tied when the material facts on the ground are so brittle and flimsy.

>>2633769
so what stops them from raping america then

>>2634024
Meme-worthy



 

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>>2634090
what if we have a dedicated thread for that and that's why it gets talked about less in here


>>2633733
you guys keep wishing for a spontaneous mass movement but what history has shown is that this is a horrible strategy, and you need to be organizing IN ADVANCE of spontaneity, so that existing forms of organized struggle can take advantage of emerging spontaneity rather than rushing to catch up.

>>2633659
I mean I do feel like it's working. Look how many people openly cheered for Luigi.



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