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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2822238
>politics is just muh entertainment slop

>>2822238
>At least ᴉuᴉlossnW gives le funny speeches!!1!!!! i find your struggle against him boring!!!1!!! everyone exists to entertain me!!!!!11! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>2822791
Postin on leftypol ain't politics my friend, it is entertainment slop

>>2822792
Your posting on anonymous image boards against either ACP/ESL anon or Haz is certainly not comparable to a some kind of struggle against ᴉuᴉlossnW lmao, get a grip
>That crashout
Sorry to offend your sensibilities anon. It's just stale material

>>2822088
I am still alive comrade. I stay away from yanknest leftypol lately




 

>Kendrick diss just a couple of months after Drake signing that ceasefire letter.
>he would delete free Palestine comments under his IG posts
>former associates like Top Dawg are zionists
>he has been dead silent about Gaza despite being known as a political rapper.
>Not like us trivializing/normalizing pedophilia, turning it into a meme that people twerk to at parties just a couple months before Epstein-gate
>Kendrick being Diddy's "great friend", giving a feat to Kodak who raped a minor, being featured in Taylor Swift's (serial predator of teens) album, his long time friend from Compton Rykeis got exposed for trying to meet a 15 year old.
>Not like us gets 5 Grammys (CBS network in charge, all of the key ppl are zionists, subdivision of Paramount Skydance who's Founder/CEO/chairman David Ellision is a close associate of Netanyahu). Drake sues Universal Music Group (chairman/CEO Lucian Grainge, ardent Jewish zionist) because he argued the views of Not Like Us were inflated (proven fact) and they intentionally supported the track through bots and radio plays.

Did they manufacture a character assasination to punish a Jewish man who signed the ceasefire letter, while also memefying pedophilia and turning child sexual abuse into a harmless spectacle, so we engage with the Epstein revelations the same way? Did the same thing happen to MJ who was a pro-Palestine advocate and was called antisemitic for some of his lyrics?
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Lefty music nerds like Fantano are retarded. Drake is openly WOKE, hates Trump and support Palestine. He's made too many pop bangers to count. Kendrick is some goofy "conscious" vagueposting black isrealite lyricist that hasnt made a good album for a decade and think way too much of himself. His drake diss also sucked he was calling him a pedo for no reason as if he never fucked barely legal girls himself that hypocrite.
Most of his haters are clearly acting out of ressentiment because Drake is too normie and prosocial both in his music and as a person.

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how easily morons fall for this celeb worship shit as long as they think theyre doing it for moral reasons, like kendrick hates drake but has no issue hanging out with other pedos or sexual abusers lol

>>2822037
All the songs Kendrick made with SZA wipe the floor of any Drake project past If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late

>>2822040
Yeah having Kodak Black as a feature of Mr Morale and dropping multiple verses on the last Playboi Carti kind of defeats the whole rap feminist Christian angle he goes for

>>2819535
This post belongs in the Smithsonian.



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Did the party switch actually happen?
Were we Wrong About the Ideologies of US Political Parties in the Past?
From 1854 to 1896…
>Were the Republicans actually to the Left of the Democrats of the same period outside of racial issues?
>Was the Republican's protectionist stance more reactionary than the Democrat's Free Trade position?
>The Republicans contracted private companies to build railroads. Was this more Right-Wing than the position of the Democrats at the time, which was Laissez-Faire Capitalism? Keep in mind neither party supported regulations on businesses.
>Marx supported Republicans over Democrats in this time period. Would that have changed if he lived to the end of the guilded age?
>Was the Liberal Republican party to the Left of the Republican party, despite its Right-Wing position on Reconstruction?
>Who was the lesser evil in the Presidential elections from 1856 to 1892?

From 1896 to 1932…
>Was William Jennings Bryan ACTUALLY to the Left of William McKinley?
>Was the policy of Free Silver actually more Left-Wing than the Gold Standard? Note that Marx supported fiat currency and Engels mocked the Free Silver movement in the US.
>Did the GOP still represent a historically progressive industrial force by this point? Did the Democrats still represent a regressive, agricultural-focused and anti-Industrial force?
>Was Woodrow Wilson actually to the Left of Teddy Roosevelt?
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Protectonism is not a reactionary position. Protectonism historically has developed nations. Even modern china uses protectonism
Engles and marx were wrong about this

>>2820920
Yes the Party switch happened, I don’t like the Democratic Party but it did change from Conservatism to Social-Democracy then to Centrism. Thats why the Republicans use the Color red and Democrats Blue

>>2821119
>it did change from Conservatism to Social-Democracy then to Centrism
When was the Democratic party ever to the Left of where it is now? Face it: It's always sucked.
>Thats why the Republicans use the Color red and Democrats Blue
I'm sorry, but this is false. This color scheme only became an entrenched concept in like, 2000.
>>2821114
Marx acknowledged that protectionism developed nations at the expense of the outside world, he just didn't care.

>>2821151
>When was the Democratic party ever to the Left of where it is now? Face it: It's always sucked.
the 60s to mid 80s but beyond that not really
>>2821114
protectionism is reactionary only if the economy is already developed so it halts the spread of capital
>>2821029
>I actually remember for a time that Wikipedia's page on the Stalwart faction of the GOP claimed that they were more Right-Wing than the Democrats because they wanted to "Impose Capitalism on the South". That always makes me laugh.
i find that somewhat ridiculous, but bless the republicans anyway for doign it

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>>2821151
It was a Social-Democratic party under FDR, he saved America and the whole world from Fascism



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Why are so many wealthy people like Hasan and Mamdani leftists and socialists and communists despite being from wealthy families? It makes me very skeptical. It seems like socialism is in the class interests of the already wealthy and powerful, not the immiserated person barely making a living without a pot to piss in. The pattern repeats through out history as well. Marx and Engels both came from well off families. As did Lenin and Mao.

Basically why should i trust some rich trust fund kid telling me socialism is in my interests? Seems like socialism is just a way for the already rich to accumulate ever more social capital and power.
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>>2820687
>socialists and communists despite being from wealthy families?
Engels (one of the heads on the communist banner, btw) was a rich factory owner.

>>2821339
engels was not a factory owner, he was employed by his dad as a manager. his family also threatened to disown him for being a socialist

>>2820687
haSSan piKKKer and mamdani are NOT communists they dont even claim to be they call themselves "socialists"

>>2820687
also being a class traitor isnt always bad infact marx also came from a somewhat wealthy family and so did engels

I feel like you have to be really fucking dumb to not understand how people can fight against their "class interests". Human beings are material creatures but we're not robots. We have independent wills and can form opinions and make decisions based on the information available. We also have something called empathy. Not everyone is automatically a 100% selfish cunt. Some people actually want to improve things.



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Forgive me if I fuck up on the details of theory, I'm not an expert on this

So I think most of us can agree that a key part of Marxist theory and dialectical/historical materialism relies on looking at the evolution of past societies and their class relations and extrapolating from there the inevitable future development of communism, right? Primitive communalism, the establishment of class society via slave economies, progressing to feudalism, capitalism, socialism then to communism. I think most people here can agree that these are the general trends.

However, Karl Popper, he of the "Paradox of Tolerance" that you might have seen in that meme infographic about why we shouldn't tolerate Nazis, had something to say about this. His book The Poverty of Historicism, first published in magazines in the 40's and in book form in 1957, argues that it's effectively impossible to accurately predict future trends, rendering a Marxist analysis of the "inevitable" development of socialism and communism to be false. Popper's main argument boils down to his view that technological progress is the main driving force of history, and by extension scientific progress, and therefor to truly predict future trends one must be able to predict scientific progress. However, the very nature of "scientific facts" means that it's impossible to predict its future progress, since if you could it would not be future progress but present progress. Historical determinism to predict future trends according to Popp relied on knowledge we dont know yet, which is logically impossible. Going by that logic therefor, it's impossible to use any form of determinism, Marxist or otherwise, to predict future developments of society.

What are some arguments against this, from a Marxist perspective as well as general leftist ones? Cuz like already Popper isn't accounting for the fact that "scientific development" is dependent on how people are organized, right? Knowledge production is production after all. But what other arguments are there against this? And does Popper perhaps have a point?
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>>2819212
It's basically a strawman on his part. Marxists don't pretend to know the exact way history goes. Lenin and Stalin were writing on how an actual socialist state deals with progress in the technological and social dimensions extensively. He was free to polemicize but chose not to because it would compromise the typical anglo way of looking at the world:
>you can never take action to improve your country because how can you justify doing anything that has a destructive compoment
>us starving the population of Ireland to death is just the natural order of things, we didn't do anything teehee
and even then, the English state was involved in a lot of things like forcing vagrants into the factories, but it's still the natural order somehow.
It's being passive aggressive on a worldview level. The choice is between the capitalist class that is fundamentally incapable of planning and acting as a cohesive unit for any extended period of time and the working class that is capable of that - first through its party, then without it. We have seen what happens when his people are given total freedom and not even the anglos themselves seem to be thrilled at what happened.

complete pseud, the paradox isnt even a paradox if it has a seemingly convenient solution. its him and probably arendt that held back the social science atleast half a century

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>>2819212
>Historical determinism to predict future

I'm frankly too lazy to write an actual effort post, but the fundamental problem is that Popper has a tendency to:

<1. consider "pseudoscience" (i.e., unprovable claims) to be false

<2. treat Hegelian historicism as unfalsifiable and definite facts about the future
Neither of which are true. Marx isn't making a historicism. He's not saying that communism has to emerge with certainty in the post-capitalist world order. He's simply saying that the end of political development ends with communism.

Think of it this way: the state and its development change because of multiple conditions (a revolution, class conflict, instability, conquest, etc.). Now, when we look at the state, we can see that it mostly serves as a means to reproduce capitalist reified relations, to ensure property for a specific group of people.

As such, when the conditions that make the state change disappear, political development ceases. This isn't to say that event X can't happen under communism, or that regression is impossible, but that the conditions which create change in the first place (namely, class conflict) disappear. Marx radicalizes this idea by positing that the state, as it exists, only serves the purpose of protecting the class interests of the bourgeoisie, and that, as such, if communism does arise, the lack of class distinction will lead to the withering of the state.

Now, the reason why Marx claims that communism will likely arise is simply from a sociological standpoint: the globalization of the bourgeoisie and the creation of a capitalist hegemonic mode of production has converged toward the establishment of only two classes, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.
For instance, a feudal society like France in the Middle Ages had many classes and centers of power: it had the Church, the landed gentry, the bourgeoisie, the robe gentry (state admins and the king), the peasants, etc. Only one of them took power, leaving the rest to be subject to the now bourgeois power.
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>>2819701
I love mogging liberals who bring up that bitch Arendt by providing them with the quotes of her calling Africans subhuman monkeys and how she wrote in favour of segregation in America.

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Thousands march in Madrid demanding Spanish PM quit over graft allegations
The protest was called by a group of more than 150 civic associations called Sociedad Civil Espanola and backed by the mainstream conservative Popular Party (PP) and far-right Vox. Organisers put attendance at 120,000. The central government’s delegate to the region estimated 40,000 people had participated in the march, which ended in Plaza Moncloa near Sanchez’s official residence.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/23/thousands-march-in-madrid-demanding-spanish-pm-quit-over-graft-allegations
https://archive.ph/kTcfN

Police and protesters clash in Serbia as crowds demand president's exit
Officers in riot gear cordoned off Belgrade city hall, about a ​kilometre away, before sporadic clashes broke out between protesters and police near ⁠the presidency building and outside a park where Vucic's supporters have been camping since March ​last year. Police fired tear gas and stun grenades as they pushed back protesters farther down the ​street. Protesters set fire to bins filled with rubbish. Interior Minister Ivica Dacic said 23 people were detained, Tanjug news agency reported.
https://www.reuters.com/world/police-protesters-clash-serbia-crowds-demand-presidents-exit-2026-05-23/

Germany's 'rapid militarization' threatens basic rights
The authors of the report were particularly concerned about the possible reintroduction of conscription in Germany. Athena Möller, a member of the executive board of the International League for Human Rights, said it was presumptuous to expect complete loyalty to the German state, "especially from the younger generation," while the state fails to adequately uphold fundamental rights. The government is currently trying to recruit more young people for military service on a voluntary basis. Should this effort fail, a return to conscription — which was suspended in 2011 — is also up for discussion.
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‘Biggest Wealth Divide in Modern History’: Graphic Shows Shocking Reality of US Economy
“Absolutely incredible,” commented Kobeissi Letter. “Over the last six years, the S&P 500 has risen +130% while US Consumer Sentiment has collapsed by -55%, to its lowest since data began in 1952. We are witnessing the formation of the biggest wealth divide in modern history.” Kobeissi Letter produced the graphic one day after the University of Michigan’s latest survey found consumer sentiment hitting the lowest level on record.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-k-shaped-economy-graphic

A New Orleans attorney was punished for exposing a clergy abuser
When an attorney representing survivors of a clergy abuse scandal that drove the city’s archdiocese into bankruptcy learned about Hart’s past, he took steps to get him removed from the Brother Martin high school, an all-boys institution that draws dance team members from a girls-only college preparatory school. A federal judge presiding over the church’s bankruptcy fined the lawyer, Richard Trahant, more than $400,000.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/23/richard-trahant-new-orleans-clergy-abuse

California Gov. Newsom declares state of emergency for Orange County chemical leak as officials search for solutions
It was previously believed that the temperatures were cooling inside the Garden Grove industrial tank, at GKN Aerospace, estimated to contain 7,000 gallons of methyl methacrylate. However, after crews embarked on a risky operation inside the danger zone, they learned temperatures were increasing at a rate of about one degree per hour. It was at 90 degrees on Friday night after starting the day at 77.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/garden-grove-chemical-leak-plans-orange-county-california-evacuations/

San Francisco immigration court shuts down after purge of judges, leaving asylum cases in chaos
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Fatah’s Eighth Conference: A Stark Expression of the Defeat of the Comprador Class and the Fragmentation of the Movement
The division within Fatah is not merely an organizational dispute or a difference in viewpoints, as some attempt to market it, but rather a reflection of the collapse of an entire project founded on the illusion of the “independent state” and the Oslo Accords. It is the project of a comprador Palestinian class that stole all Palestinian institutions, seized the keys to the prisons and the seal of the Palestine Liberation Organization, and whose functional role is to entrench the reality of occupation while securing its own interests and privileges. The movement that once led the “Palestinian national project” has, under the dominance of a parasitic stratum, individual leadership, and bureaucratic security apparatuses, been transformed into a crisis-ridden framework devoid of legitimacy and national direction, disconnected from the pulse of the Palestinian street and from the liberation struggle taking place on the ground. It is even disconnected from Fatah’s own base and supporters. The loud popular question today is: where is the movement while the Palestinian people are subjected to a genocide?
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/33047/

Congress Is Trying to Preempt State Robotruck Regulations
After months of industry lobbying, House lawmakers inserted a provision into a must-pass transportation funding bill that would block states’ from setting safety standards for self-driving trucks, buses, and other commercial vehicles — despite mounting calls for tougher safeguards. On Sunday, House lawmakers announced a deal on a congressional funding package for surface transportation and highways, which would determine policy and spending for the country’s roads, bridges, trains, and highways for the next five years. Buried in the one-thousand-page legislation was a provision that would grant a longtime wish of the autonomous vehicle industry: override state autonomous commercial vehicle regulations and instead install a light-touch national framework allowing nearly unrestricted expansion of self-driving trucks across the nation’s highways and roads. According to the Truck Safety Coalition, an advocacy group of trucking accident victims and survivors, the proposal sacrifices “commoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybna

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kill the rich, feed the poor



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Russia's SMO is completely and totally justified
>NATO plans to balkanize Russia, hence why they refused to accept Russia's overtures to the West. They don't want Russia integrated into the West, they want to exploit it
>Russia must do whatever it takes to prevent eastward NATO expansion in order to protect itself from balkanization
>Ukraine is a Nazi country that commits genocide against its Russian minorities and Russia needed to save them
>Russia played nice for many years while NATO funneled weapons into Ukraine to prepare for an eventual invasion of the Donbas
>NATO also intended to funnel weapons to extremist Nazis in Russia through Uktaine in order to overthrow the government
>Euromaidan was a coup backed by the West and executed by Nazis, which is why Poroshenko immediately took out IMF loans and let the West exploit the country as much as it wanted
>The West started the conflict with Euromaidan by turning Ukraine from a neutral buffer state into a nation aligned with the West, thereby beginning the power struggle
>The consequences of not doing the SMO vastly outweight the deaths that have resulted from the fighting, which Ukraine started anyway
>Russia wants to protect Ukraine and protect itself, the West wants to turn it into a colony to be exploited
>The SMO is to protect Russia, protect Ukraine and protect the victims of NATO imperialism around the world by weakening the West
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>>2819901
Always found this image funny, they took a lot of liberties with the events referenced.

>1242

>Battle on the Ice
This one is fair enough, the Livonians had their ass handed to them by the Novgorodians. The Livonian order was ruled by Prussians but Novgorod as a precursor to Russia is a bit more unclear. Generally we'd consider the Grand Principality of Moscow to be the precursor to modern Russia and they actually conquered Novgorod… I give it a pass, though.

>1558

>Siege of Dorpat in the Livonian War
This one is kind of bullshit. It is true that the Russians conquered the Bishopric of Dorpat here, but does it really count when this was NOT the end of the war? The Livonian War did result in the dissolution of the Livonian order as a result of a Russian invasion, but Russia would ultimately lose the war. It started because Russia didn't want the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to take control of Livonia, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sweden and Denmark-Norway beat Russia and partitioned Livonia amongst themselves.

>1760

>Raid on Berlin in the Seven Year's War
This one is also sort of bullshit. Yes, it did result in an Austro-Russian occupation of Berlin and was a huge failure for the Prussians but the Seven Year's War was not a Russian victory. The Russians initially sided with the French and fought against the Prussians but then Elizabeth of Russia died and was replaced with her retarded chud Prussiaboo Nephew Peter III in January of 1762 causing Russia to switch sides to support Prussia even though they were at death's door. Then he was deposed by Catherine the Great and Russia exited the war. Not exactly a big Russian win.

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>>2819966
You're missing the point. The point was that these were defeats of Prussian/Western invaders, which they were. Obviously there's more detail to it, but it's a propaganda poster, not a History essay.
>The Ukrainians beat the Germans here
Sorry to burst your bubble but the Ukrainians prior to the delusional nationalization of the Banderites, have never been considered a separate ethnicity from Russians, especially considering the Kievan RUS. It's like saying that various Mongol tribes aren't actually Mongols because they had mildly different dialects and local customs.
>It was also the Soviet Union and not "Russia"
See Stalin: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1945/05/24.htm
And Kalashnikov
>"Но тут надо такую линию провести. Мы всегда под словом 'Русский' понимали всех… всех понимали: Тут были и Украинцы, тут были Узбеки, тут были и Казаки, Рус было как б олицетворение было всех вместе вот…" - Михаил Тимофеевич Калашников, 1993

>>2819909
>which country is aggressive towards russi
NATO countries, through expansion of territory and the placement of conventional and nuclear armed missiles nearby, creating a direct threat. Additionally socio-economic sabotage and the funding of neo-nazis and 5th column provocateurs by the CIA.
>not even part of the same civilization
History says you're wrong.

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>>2821228
>NATO countries, through expansion of territory
other than reunification of germany not a single nato member has territorialy expanded since 1991
>History says you're wrong.
cope

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>>2821228
>It's ok for Ruzzians to genocide and colonize natives because they are on the same continent!!!

You aren't even trying anymore zigger. You braindead retarded zigger keep justifying Ruzzia invading and genociding countries to expand its territory while at the same time you seethe and cry that countries willingly choose to join NATO.

Now keep seething and coping that the failing Ruzzian empire will collapse again like it did in 1991 and will lose even more of the colonies it stole

Imagine simping for a guy who helped destroy the USSR. Peak cuck behavior.



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When In Power

Do you declare…
>I am in favor of free speech because it does not challenge my power, but gives those weaker than me the illusion of freedom by allowing them to criticize me impotently, and robs them of the "censored underdog" clout they crave.
or do you declare…
<I am against free speech because it spreads doctrines which can eventually results in my overthrow, I must ruthlessly oppress my opposition.


When Not In Power
Do you declare…
>i am in favor of free speech because it allows me to spread militant revolutionary doctrines in favor of overthrowing the ruling class without being censored or oppressed
or do you declare…
<I am against free speech because it is completely impotent and does not challenge the powers-that-be at all. The censorship of my ideas and oppression of my faction proves we are a credible threat, and legitimizes us in the eyes of the oppressed.

When the issue of free speech comes up on here I notice a lot of people will say that the bourgeoisie are only in favor of free speech because it neuters and demilitarizes the communist opposition, but at the same time, they will say when communists are in power they should not use the same strategy, because it will spread anti communist doctrines and result in the overthrow of communism.
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>>2820103
how the conversation started:
>A communists has literally never suffered a set back for their ideology in professional or academic life.
how the goalposts shifted:
>It makes perfect sense if you think anyone left of ᴉuᴉlossnW is a communist.

So the implication is what? Communists were never oppressed, but if they were, they weren't TRVE communists but merely "to the left of ᴉuᴉlossnW"? Now slow down for a minute and ask yourself why the bourgeoisie would have such little tolerance for communism that they would ruthlessly accuse anyone "to the left of ᴉuᴉlossnW" of being communist?

What did Marx say abut the phenomenon?

<Every demand of the simplest bourgeois financial reform, of the most ordinary liberalism, of the most formal republicanism, of the most shallow democracy, is simultaneously castigated as an "attempt on society" and stigmatized as "socialism".


  • Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852)


So even in Marx's time, the bourgeoisie were already prepared to accuse each other of "Socialism". What does this tell us about the bourgeoisie, their priorities, and how they regard threats? It tells us they are paranoid, and that if they are willing to persecute one another for "socialism" they are definitely willing to persecute actual socialists, actual communists, anything they view as a threat.

>>2815836
I'm not a free speech absolutist but I do believe in being able to criticize the government and hold it accountable. Even if you support a government's political project unconditionally, mistakes can still happen and bad actors can still exploit the system. You need critics and whistleblowers to keep the government honest.
What I don't support is capitalists being able to bankroll propaganda outlets to brainwash people into opposing their best interests. In particular the US Supreme Court ruling that money is a form of speech is fucking retarded and evil.
The best argument in favor of suppressing speech is that it's insulation from capitalist manipulation. If you stop the capitalist manipulation in the first place then free speech is no longer a problem, it's just individual citizens giving their honest feedback based on their own material needs.

>>2815959
What is a right made of? What is its real presence in the world? If it is a condition set up by a set of institutions, how can it be a "universal" condition (since they say "universal right") if said institutions are not universal in themselves, but partial to the interest of some classes against other ones? But the class which has these institutions in their hands will say that the conditions they establish through them are "universal". This is how the bourgeoise recluted all other classes into their revolution, by presenting their own conditions for social domination as universal, abstract principles applying to all. And they are not abstract because the bourgeoise has an inherently abstractive conduct. The rights they promulgate must be abstract precisely because they must flatten the real concrete conditions which would show their mere particularity. So they'll talk about "universal" free speech, when in actuality, the whole socio-economic structure only allows for the owners of large media enterprises to really promulgate any sort of relevant "speech". So you are all free to speak but only those with property can effectively do so. So wonder not that communist see these kind of "rights" only strategically, since their nature is a bourgeoise ideological strategy in the first place

>>2819509
The wanted to reveal the findings of the Venona report, which included a list of several senators and congresmen being part of secret communist groups. Plenty of the people on the list were later revealed to be communists working for the USSR, but nothing happened to them. Mccarty was hounded by the mainstream press, the Mccarty affair shows that US institutions actively aided marxists. Literally no-one the left suffered any consequences, and there is no evidence of them being negatively impacted.

to think freely is great
to think correctly is greater



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Bukharin was one of the best bolsheviks who played a major role during the October revolution and was admired by Lenin. He was also a friend of Stalin.
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>>2773377
>>2773354
Be real what are they gonna do in prison? it's not like the big dzerzh or trotsky who got released after a while of rotting inside (major fuckup by the whites fr). They can't dig themselves out with spoons or some shit.

>>2790888
>peasant worshippers
Bad cope but even if this is true, it just shows peasant worshipers>marxists

Did Stalin actually contribute on the creation of Israel?

>>2791942
Yes, it is little know but during the Civil War Stalin undertook the moniker "David Ben Gurion" and worked to convince the backwards Anglos of the need for a jewish ethnostate.

>>2774335
All SIOC did was confuse 600 gorrillion future socialists that State Social Democracy was Socialism.



 

>prohibits criticism of Zionism
>has made anti-Zionism a "hate crime" punishable by expulsion from the university
>has a student body that’s overwhelmingly pro-Zionist
>school of the arts is owned by the Tisch family who are well-known Zionists
>music school is owned by Clive Davis, a mega-Zionist and one of the most powerful men in the music industry who has ties to Epstein (Clive Davis Institute for Recorded Music)
>sanctions pro-Palestine faculty members
>withheld a student’s diploma for speaking out against the genocide in Palestine during his graduation speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9rgWj-hz4E
>has authorized the NYPD to mass-arrest pro-Palestine students during demonstrations

NYU and everyone affiliated with this university needs to be on the BDS list. Boycott books written by faculty members. If you're an alum, renounce your diploma and stop giving the school your money. They are complicit in genocide and colonialism.

No other school in America is as Ziocucked as NYU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1D2PW3h1zo
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>>2818307
What's with you shitlibs immediately sperging out about firebombing a Walmart

>>2820677
>entirely different
<apartheid state
<native minorities oppressed by European colonialists
<resistance is branded terrorism
<supported by Israel
Obviously there are major differences, but there are similarities too.

>>2820686
The end goal is different. Also, most Palestinians don’t see Palestine as South Africa but Algeria.

>>2820691
If that's really the case you can always leave bro no one is forcing you to post religious propaganda here.

>>2821002
Jannoids ban antizionist posters while allowing rats like this to spew their hasbara baby killing judeonazi garbage



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