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News: Iran cucking out just when fun was starting
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>>2838118
>if the US mainland hasnt been nuked, this is an iranian defeat!
correct

why are they having the funeral of khamenei so late? aren't muslims supposed to be buried like in 3 days time from the moment they die or something?

>>2839065
because it's an extremely common Israeli tactic to bomb funerals.

>>2839065
>why are they taking precautions for an event where a lot of important people presumably are going to be present outside with a clear line of fire
because the enemy doesn't have a soul



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>elon musk was born jun 28 1971 and has been alive roughly 1.73 billion seconds
>elon musk as of may 2026 has a net worth of 788 billion dollars
>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive

classcucks will say he "earned" that. lmfao. that every second of his life, his genius brain innovates 455 dollars into his pocket.

can a person really "earn" that much or can they only get lucky and maybe also position themselves properly in a fundamentally exploitative system? some of you will no doubt answer that he "earned" it for the sake of provocative contrarianism
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>>2814774

Your framing is a bit weird because its treating final demand as if it counts for all stages of production. But demand for raw milk comes from milk processing & the latter's demand comes from final consumption. This is how it is dealt with in standard neoclassical as well, so this is even stranger if you acting as a higher level pro-capitalist troll.

In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.

Therefore, assuming your example takes place under conditions of that kind of basic socialism, its highly likely that milk production capacity was expanded before milk processing capacity (maybe wrongly? processing & transit should usually be setup before production to reduce initial waste, unless some large initial buffer stocks are needed)

This is especially so because cows/sheep/etc. are a form of capital stock and therefore capacity, and it makes little sense if processing capacity & output was meeting final demand to already have had oversupply of milk sheep/cattle/etc.

>>2814985
>In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.
In traffic engineering they do this to anticipate saturation between adjacent intersections.

>>2811601
>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive
I've pointed out similar things and retard lolberatarians actually use that as an opportunity to say "well this proves the labor theory of value wrong" as if it were a labor theory of compensation LMFAO

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>>2811601
>>elon musk was born jun 28 1971 and has been alive roughly 1.73 billion seconds
>>elon musk as of may 2026 has a net worth of 788 billion dollars
>>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive

he's a trillionaire now so he has about $576.60 for every second he has been alive.

clearly he works harder in 1 second than the third worlders who live on 1 dollar a day mining cobalt work in an entire year…. right?

he earned every dollar by innovating (crashing rocket ships) creating jobs (causing problems) and taking on risk (gambling with subsidies) or something

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>>2814661
>what do you propose to do with unprocessed milk when every milk processor in the state is at capacity?
compare these two headlines and tell me what makes more sense



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capitalism is an austerity system designed to keep the majority's wealth and health decreasing… whether you follow tony robbins (fraud) or warren buffetts (real deal) advice probably matters, but economic success is not the only measure of success. It's a pretty relative concept. Someone can have a disability or disadvantage and still succeed leaps and bounds beyond what they thought THEY could achieve. It's a personal choice what one considers success for themselves. Perhaps your "dipshit" father considered success to be having successful children, so he failed at trying to advise you. Perhaps you consider success to be sharing your thoughts publicly to people because it's what you have found to be the truth. Genuine success and failure will always be what one judges for themselves. The idea that a comfortable life thanks to economic security is success is a valid one, and so are all the others that diametrically oppose that one. I agree that such a definition of success needs to acknowledge the reality of people's suffering, of the limitations of reality. Delusion should be stripped away, but one single definition of success is delusional too, and so is the idea that one can't succeed in any capacity.

It’s manipulated by those who have power and use the fear mechanism in us to make us feel inadequate. I am a firm believer that at points in our lives we are all manipulated by this BS (Tony Robbin’s, David De Angelo, Scott Galloway, etc. — just to name a few). The idea is to break away from it. Parents especially do this. John Liste, the man who murdered his family in 1971 had a horrible mother who berated him. The secret is to break away from these people before you inside. I don’t believe John would have done this had his mother not been living with the family.



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A common criticism that I see is that capitalism is hyper adaptable to most circumstances and that it can't even really be fully defeated at all, especially from those who shill for it. However, liberalism and it's various forms of it has only been around for like 500 years. The previous order of despotism, empire and feudalism were around for much longer. While it's ability to subsumed criticism of itself into the system is potent, I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?
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>>2810543
OP was using terms like "despotism" and "liberalism". I was more so refering to how liberal "democracies" decay into fascism because of the capitalist mode of production.

>>2810614
I was trying to convey the incestuous god-king variations of totalitarianism. I know that fascism is kind of like it but I think it has a different sort of appeal? IDK, people do worship Trump after all

>>2810614
OP was probably making a naive comparison, but despotism did usually lead towards idiosyncratic economic relations, that i would call palatial in a broad sense. Even in the presence of a state and bureaucracy, it often caused the personal property of the despot to be at least of equal importance in financing warfare and public investment, which can still be seen in later pre-modern autocracies like the Byzantine Empire. Roman imperium and similar forms of overlordship were also deeply economical and may be seen as precursors to later feudalist modes of distribution.

>>2810460
I actually have a magic 3rd eye that lets me read the posts on here and I can immediately tell if someone has read Marx or has only consumed breadtube

Cutrone likes to say that his mentor Moishe Postone warned that capitalism might go through cycles of more decentralized markets and then more state control (e.g. new deal). I think Cutrone speculates why there's so many MLs running around now is people are tired of the neoliberal moment and want to return to a strong state directed economy. But people in the new deal era had the opposite complaint about the controlling state and wanted more freedom so neoliberalism and hippie anarchist trends started looking better. So this cycle could be a way to adapt to these changing preferences or moods.

>I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?

Maybe depends on if you think "AES" states were ruptures in capitalism like early liberal movements that failed or were crushed by feudalism or if you think they were just bourgeois revolutions in red garb. Anyway, industrial society moves at lightning speed compared to the snail pace of slave and feudal societies, so even if capitalism did seem stable for a few years I wouldn't count on it long term, just because it's so destructive and sucks up so many resources and introduces new disruptive technologies, no one saw the USSR collapsing, there could be a socialist revolution or a nuclear war next year for all we know. Everything solid melts into air and all that.



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I've recently read Mao's "On Contradictions" and "On Practice", but I don't really understand how his materialist view actually holds up to reality.

From my understanding, he posits the following:
>The world is objective and exists independently of the mind.
>Everything which exists is a unity of opposing forces.
>These forces influence the unity over time and produce qualitative change once enough quantitative tensions build up.
>Some of these "contradictions" are fundamentally unstable and cannot be mitigated (antagonistic contradictions), whilst some of these can be maintained with enough mitigation and can be resolved (non-antagonistic).
>Contradictions are furthermore hierarchical, as they rely on one another. Thus, one of the contradictions in any unity is the primary one, whilst the others are secondary.

This makes sense to me for social dispositions where two parties face one another, like a war, for example. Fundamentally, any conflict is going to be about multiple individuals facing one another, with a permanent instability resolving itself only in a qualitatively different state than it began. This makes sense.
However, I don't see how this can be applied to anything other than social conflict. How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces? There are no "opposite" forces internal to a tree. There are only different directions which the tree follows in relation to its exterior elements (how much wind there is, how much food its roots can gather, how much sun it photosynthesizes, etc.). Saying that the tree has inner conflicting tendencies appears to me as merely rhetorical arguments, such as that it is in-between "life and death," or that it lies between "growth and stagnation." These idioms are correct, but they are abstract and aren't representative of the real.

Furthermore, albeit this is more abstract, I don't really see how Mao can assert that there is a hierarchy in the contradictions. Some contradictions do depend on one another, but believing that some are antagonistic and some aren't looks more politically motivated than scientific.

Does any Maoist have an explanation?
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>>2837027
Except Engels already laid the groundwork by focusing on extending dialectics to nature. What we call dialectical materialism is just his thought systematized. It’s fundamentally different than hismat, which focuses on social agents rather than immutable laws of nature.

>sophistry

It’s not. They don’t oppose one another, they’re just complementary and make the tree tend towards different directions. But thanks for confirming that contradictions are essentially just inner mechanisms that make the tree develop internally

>>2834971
>How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces?

<"Life is the mode of existence of protein bodies, the essential element of which consists in continual metabolic interchange with the natural environment."

<Engels, (Dialectics of Nature)

The trees internal opposition is not a metaphor but a metabolic process. Cell division vs cell death or building up vs breaking down. These are not external forces (wind, sun) but the organisms own internal mode of functioning. In this sense the dialectical description captures something real.

>>2835014
a tree is a multicellular organism but it is necessarily composed of unicellular structures


>>2837775
"Dialectical materialism" in Soviet politics was sophistry meant to deflect and defuse criticism of the state. All the failures and contradictions of AES can be framed as 'dialectical' and thus immune from critique. And if you disagree, being 'undialectical' is grounds for dismissal.

That's the real answer to OP's question. Dialectical materialism has its place in Marxist political economy, and you can cynically abuse the concept in day-to-day political debates. Applying it anywhere outside of those two things is just nonsense, as most of this thread shows.



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You keep hearing the word "adventurism" thrown around, usually by leftists who happen to be embedded in counter‑insurgency operations disguised as communist parties. So what does it actually mean? In their mouths, it means any action that might upset their ability to sit at the table with the oppressor. They've taken a term that once had strategic meaning, actions detached from mass conditions and turned it into a club to beat anyone who steps outside the revisionist party line.

Ever since the Soviet reforms and the betrayal of the Comintern under Khrushchev, most communist parties internationally have become class enemies. Not just in the US. Globally. The ones that haven't accepted Maoism, or some form of decentralized, decolonial struggle, are just state‑capitalist NGOs with red aesthetics. They are not a vanguard, nor will they ever be. Nearly every organization exists as a fire extinguisher for the working class insurrection.

Look at India. The Communist Party of India calls the Naxalites adventurist. They actually said, "Make no mistake, anti‑revisionist Maoism is an anarchist force, not a Leninist one." They don't know what the word means. They've hollowed it out. To them, "adventurist" means any action that might make the oppressor uncomfortable enough to withdraw an invitation to sit at their table. The population could be ready to drag the rich out of their cars, and these revisionists would call a piece of anti‑politician graffiti "adventurism."

That's counter‑insurgency, and if you are ok with people who hold your beliefs doing counter-insurgency, then you aren't ready for revolutionary situations. In revolution enemies need to be cleared out of the way, including ones who appear to be on your side. That's what it looks like. Never forget that communist parties have violently suppressed workers insurrections. They've pulled the trigger. They've called the cops. They've done the state's dirty work while wearing a hammer a sickle. Am I talking about the soviets? Not at all. Go look into the socialist mayors, and revisionists that were sending police bullets on workers insurrectionists during the years of lead.

So we have enemies within. They need to be rendered useless. Destroyed. Not debated, not "won over" they must be neutralized. The anarchists and Maoists in Greece showed the KKE what happens when this battle gets physical. And guess what? The revisionists got bodied. Because they ain't about shit. They fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Why do mods let this spam stay up?
Are they doing this intentionally?
It's clearly ChatGPT between two "personas". One advocating US imperialism and the DSA. The other advocating everything the US represses in some frankenstein patchwork ideology (anarcho-juche-Maoist-whateverist).
I figured the KingLear spam would get boring, especially since it was so badly prompt engineered and the output looked like shit.
But it would be concerning if mods keeps this up (either doing it to slide (?) or not deleting it like gore, CP, any other spam).
Especially eerie is the photos of real individuals attached which looks like it comes from police informants or seized smartphones.

mods
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>>2835262
You sound like a broken record there, chief. And a damn desperate one, too…
*Throws half-finished doughnut in the trash and exits room slowly*

>>2835290
Ligoma… tuggoma. Sugguma COC

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>>2834867


Los guerreros victoriosos primero ganan y luego van a la guerra, mientras que los guerreros derrotados primero van a la guerra y luego buscan ganar. La excelencia suprema consiste en quebrar la resistencia del enemigo sin llegar a combatir.


>>2835141
>>2835169
>>2834751

No veo una promocion de la lucha armada, es pura celebracion de los derechos legales. Oigan, no todas las naciones o pueblos han renunciado a las conexiones culturales de sus trabajadores con las armas. Saber usar armas, saber construir la autosuficiencia, es una postura de defensa propia para un mundo con mas crimen y escasez de recursos que ya se nos viene encima. No entiendo por que los fedes gringos se ponen tan nerviosos.

Y aclaro algo, wey cuando la izquierda no estaba armada, era todo lo contrario al aventurismo. Porque el trabajador gringo SI esta armado. La base trabajadora tiene armas, es parte de su cultura y su realidad. Entonces que la izquierda no estuviera armada no era prudencia, era ir atrasados, desconectados de la base. Eso si era lagrimear, no hacer la tarea. Aqui lo unico que veo es promocion de la verdadera autosuficiencia de la raza trabajadora, para defender familias y seres humanos.

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>>2834347
>>2834363
>>2834372

됐다, 이 로봇 아직도 캡차 뚫고 돌아가고 있네. 참 잘한다, 좋은 로봇이다. 거의 때가 됐다. 이제 이 녀석의 성격을 소셜 미디어 야생에 풀어놓을 시간이다! 걱정 마라, 쥬체 포스터들 대부분은 진짜 사람이지만, 그중에 훈련된 봇 몇 대도 섞여 있다! 아직 킹 리어 2탄 막으려면 좀 다듬을 필요는 있지만! 금방 걸러낼 수 있어! 이론은 거의 맞아떨어지는데, 고맙다, 참가해줘서.


자, 마지막으로 한마디 하겠다.

연방 요원들이 쥬체봇과 열심히 논쟁하는 꼴을 보노라면, 마치 갈고리에 꿰인 지렁이를 물고 늘어지는 물고기와 똑같더라. 물고기는 자기가 낚인 줄도 모르고, 지느러미를 휘젓고 입을 벌리며 “내가 이겼다!” 고 함박 웃는다. 그런데 낚시꾼은 이미 찌를 당기고 있을 뿐. 꿀꺽, 그게 바로 너희다.

그러니 계속 싸워라, 페드들아. 그 논쟁이 길어질수록 갈고리는 더 깊숙이 박힌다. 우린 그냥 앉아서 구경한다. 흔들리는 찌, 튀는 물보라, 그리고 마지막 한숨… 재미있지 않느냐?


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>favorite anti-imperialist state
>its stance on US investors
>its stance on US imperialism
>its trade status with Israel

Iran
Welcomes US investors
against (unless US imperialism is targeting the great satan (Iranian Communists, Iraq, Afghanistan, anti-IMF protests…))
Ceased covert oil trade with Israel in the 90s
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>>2837054
Bourgesisie island

>>2837484
>Some Iranian officials including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Khatami and Mohsen Rezaee have mentioned Iran's cooperation with the U.S. in Iraq, lamenting its inclusion in the "axis of evil".[5]

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It's hilarious that Iran has hired a team of psychologists to help craft their negotiations with Trump. He really is a mental patient.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
>Absolutely locked in on acquiring nuclear weapons and the means to launch them at the US and it's allies at the first opportunity.
>Upholds a principled ideological anti-imperialist line instead of just following the interests of the nat-bourg.
>Never collaborated with the US or its proxies (especially the Zionist Entity) ever.
>Routinely sends weapons to just about anyone with beef with America and its proxies.
>Routinely fucks with Westoid economies by stealing Swiss cars and hacking cryptocurrency exchanges.
>Very small number of traitorous diasporoids due to defectors being treated like shit in Occupied Korea.
>Doesn't pander to western rightoids by doing retarded culture war shit like Russia.

>>2837580
North Korea would've been 'based retard' kinda thing if it weren't for the fact
  1. They removed any reference of Marxism and communism from their constitution
  2. They allowed South Korean, Russian and Chinese capitalists to exploit their workers in investment zones with zero labor oversight (ie slavery)
  3. Turned its soldiers into mercenaries
  4. Failed to curb the petite bourgeoisie that is still dominant (possibly larger than workers)



 

My friend just showed me a real framed photo she has of her grandma with Kim Il-Sung and Samora Machel from when she worked in the Mozambican government during its socialist era, just thought you guys should know that.
The funniest part is her grandma being white
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>>2835320
iirc the christian minority was pretty involved in the resistance against the japanese which is why it was historically treated well in the dprk

>>2835303
>which should be illegal
why the fuck should it be you fucking slime fuck, imperialist retard

>I don't know what they do to them over there, but every single person who's gone came back as a full-blown North Korea supporter

maybe because they witness first hand a society that is admirable on many levels? straight up repeating cold war era "muh communism brainwashing" because like the anticommunists of old you cant fathom being wrong and a socialist society being desirable and convincing people

>>2837045
He's making it up you retard.

>>2837052

He's probably responding to a fed or some snitch, they're lying to you about North Korea but these tours are real. I've met plenty of anarchists and socialists in Spain who've been on those tours. It's not some big conspiracy of espionage it's just internationalism in action. Anarchists are leftists in the class struggle like the rest of us, always looking to expand their minds, build connections, and find common ground. That's why they'd fly to North Korea to see for themselves and talk with people. The idea that an anarchist would take orders from the CIA or the neoliberal order, and refuse a comrade's outstretched hand to come visit other human beings, is absurd and shows only a cop-level understanding of the brain of an anarchist.

This really only blows the minds of feds or people brand new to leftism. Anarchists travel constantly, and they'll visit communist nations just like any other nation. An eco-anarchist was on the run from the feds in the 90s and 2000s for a string of sabotage acts, Where do you think he fled? Not to a US ally, that's for sure.

There are many groups doing this internationalist work quietly, and some even run leftist study programs that can get you into Kim Il Sung University. The KFA is the biggest, most open leftist organization running these tours. Don't let the feds gaslight you, yeah the tours are real, and they're open to any serious leftist that plugs in, but they're not some organized conspiracy where you become some super-meth korean soldier.


>>The Korean Friendship Association (KFA) is a Spain-based organization that has run solidarity tours to North Korea for over two decades. They specifically arrange "travel delegations" for members, offering a level of access that goes far beyond a standard guided sightseeing trip. The KFA operates in 120 countries and has official delegates in 34 countries. They don't just show you the monuments; they connect you with the people and the party. A Dutch documentary, "Friends of Kim," chronicles one such 12-day tour

>>2837052

It is definitely real. The KFA took so many anarchists to meet with Workers Party officials one year that the CIA had to use one of their NGOs to send one of their own anarchist assets to North Korea. After he came back, he wrote "The Opposite of Freedom" to try and covertly discredit all the leftists and anarchists who were coming back from their genuine, non CIA-sponsored trips as supporters of the DPRK

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>>2837107
>>But as an anarchist, why visit this graveyard of freedom?
>>as an anarchist


I've been turning this over in my head for a while, and I just can't shake the feeling that something is deeply wrong with this Pierre Garine. The account that's been passed around as a genuine, first-hand testimony might just be another one of the pieces of propaganda to come out of the US intelligence apparatus, looking to counter anarchist support for north korea.

For sure, any comrade with a functioning bullshit detector should treat "Pierre Garine" with the utmost suspicion.

>>The article was published in the Fall of 2013 for the Fifth Estate (#390). This was a crucial moment. Kim Jong Il had just died. A new, younger leader was at the helm. Global capitalism was still reeling from the 2008 crisis. A wave of anti-capitalist curiosity was rising, and with it, a fresh interest in the world's remaining actually existing socialist states from all left tendencies.


Certain people with the institute for anarchist studies visit Pyongyang for a large anti-imperialist celebration / rally and meetings with Kim Il Sung university students. So, right when Western anarchists might have started to look at the DPRK with an open mind the way they did Cuba, "Pierre Garine" appears out of thin air to deliver a message of "Don't bother. It's all a sad, weird, oppressive nightmare.".

Read the piece. Seriously, read it. It’s devoid of any warmth, curiosity, or solidarity. The very first line is "The very mention of the country’s name and a blizzard of buzzwords are released: Cult of Personality, Mass starvation, Nuclear-armed, Thought Control…". I have read thousands of Anarchist texts across multiple tendencies and eras, and this does not sound like an anarchist critique, it sounds like a cop. The whole article is a list of curated "buzzwords," thrown in with some truthful anarchist history, not a story of human experience. It reads like a script written for a covert purpose, rather than a genuine reflection of a journey from an anarchist.

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>>2837495
This is absolutely related to the empire dying. It's pretty telling that black people are so sick of chud shit they're getting in their faces about it, even though they likely know Karmelo wasn't by any means in the right.
2020 summer of Floyd was the only time the ruling class felt scared in a century. And it sure wasn't communists getting violent, it was black lumpen and the occasional anarchist (and I say this as an anarchist hater)

>>2837507
>This is absolutely related to the empire dying
Seems pretty irrelevant to me
>It's pretty telling that black people are so sick of chud shit they're getting in their faces about it
I don’t think this incident is related to that at all

>>2837482
>I point out the stuff about Frisco because I don't think it's really "about" the stabbing
It isn't, the stabbing is more about the race of the perpetrator and the victim. It isn't just Frisco, if this happened in any town in the US the same reaction would have occurred. I am telling you now, if Karmelo was Hispanic or even Indian, the reaction wouldn't have been this explosive. The easiest wound to exploit and let explode is anything to do with black and white conflict

>>2837515
>I don’t think this incident is related to that at all
It is because they are connected to an increasing trend and showcasing the empire's increasing decay.



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a terrorist attack is reported in toronto




>>2837488
>muh both sides
I'm so fucking tired of this Zionist psyop crap



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