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The pigs, No mystery as to whom they represent, They even steal our protagonists' eggs and they're determined to put an end to this robbery once and for all.
The pigs are usually encamped in elaborate building structures which represents the deeply embedded and far reaching capitalist system while our heroes, the birds, can only ensure an end to the robbery by destroying them. Parallel to the proletarians' task to smash the state machinery. If otherwise the game would be a defensive one (reform, fending off against the porks)

To top it all off, birds can fly, Which symbolizes the infinite potential and rise of living standards of the proles once their shackles to the exploitative system is gotten rid off.

Very clear that the main character being red is an homage to the Soviet Union.

<The main story of the games and the movie are about the birds fighting back against colonial oppressors who want to eat their children.

<Said colonial oppressors are literal porkies who are colored green


<The pig society is an imperialist monarchy ruled by King Pig.


<In the movie, the pigs come to bird Island to share their "knowledge" with the birds but are in reality there to steal their resources (eggs) and exploit them.


Op is unironically correct.



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I feel like…
discussions about race, gender, sexuality and its relation to structures (or "post-structures") have reached a limit and class is not a concept good enough to replace it.
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>>2785950
Not that anon, but I think I get what he’s saying. It does feel like the New-left/Critical Theorist ideas about race are irreverent, because they largely depended on stable capitalist liberal societies to function and those systems seem to be changing or breaking down.

My glowie senses are tingling. I'm noticing an increase is typical bullshit arguments and discussions that retread age old conflicts that were resolved long ago.

>>2785953
Literally the point of postmodernism, reject any basis from before and try to be critical of everything that has ever been thought before so you can the most original political ideas (Neoliberalism with different names)

>class is not a concept good enough to replace it
show your working uygha class analysis is literally all there is we have like two centuries of thought and praxis proving this otherwise im just gonna assume youre another well poisoning neoliberal many such cases

Yes you have more in common with Elon Musk than someone flipping burgers at McDonald's because both of you think transhumanist bathrooms cringe



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If the rate of profit hits zero what will happen? Won’t it just boil down to the richest creating their own segregated societies were human level AI robots produce whatever their rich owners need, why everyone else would continue to live in a new cycle of capitalism that is run by everyone who doesn’t own high-end tech to become a master of an army of robot slaves as well? It seems like the profit rate hitting 0 wouldn’t be the end, it would just start a new cycle.
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>>2786202
So you’re problem is specifically with bipedal robots or any legs at all I guess

>>2786210
I didn't make the post but that's what I heard, legs are unstable and it can easily fall down, etc

>>2786216
Yeah, but wheels don’t work for stairs and tracks are a quite rigid solution. If bipedal is mastered it would be the most flexible solution.

>>2786239
True that wheels dont work for stairs in the typical design but most robots wouldnt need to go up and down stairs. There's also like triangular wheeled arrangements that can go up stairs (albeit slowly).

Bipedal robots usually just feel like silicon valley pablum, you're left to imagine 'what if it could do everything a person can', but it can't, so it's silly. You know what robot I like? Those automatic fruit/veg pickers, they actually seem to work correctly. I don't believe there's any two legged robots actually in real 'work' at the moment.

>>2786241
Wheeled robots, tracked robots and stationary robots will make up the vast majority of robots in usage, and even quadropedel are going to be preferred over bipedal, so you’re right.



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Were the fashies triggered by him depicting them accurately in Salo, therefore they went out of their way to prove him right by abducting, torturing, and murdering him? Or was he just a libtard bourgeois film maker making exploitative torture porn and got killed completely randomly?

Interested in what y'alls various takes are.
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>>2778455

Literally who?

>>2786167
>i'm proud of being ignorant
Go back to 4chin with the rest of the burger cattle.

>>2786172
not that anon but do you except the entire world to know of the existence of some degenerate film producer

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>>2786181
I mean he wrote 'Pasolini' as the thread title, anon could have either looked it up or just not commented but instead decided to be an asshole

>>2786181
>degenerate
I agree with the rest of your point, but fuck off with that reactionary ignorance.



 

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>>2784365
>reuters admit all the dooming about muh construction sector crisis was bullshit and china high quality growth rather than capitalist gpd fetishization is working
well they had to admit it sooner or later

>>2784857
I don’t believe anything I don’t see with my eyes, the only chinese I ever see is fake food and fake plastic products at walmart and target and I’m supposed to believe this is communism, this is the break from the status quo, fuck them and fuck you

>>2783622
>it'd be great if they made it gradually less useless
It's already been proven useful in STEM applications, especially logistics, and in a country like China which manufactures 95% of all solar panels globally, the data centers don't even need to be as wasteful as they are in the USA. Also believe it or not machine learning uses less energy and time in a lot of its calculations than a human would doing the same thing. People hate hearing this but it's true. Just like Ludd's hand-loom weavers couldn't cope with the power loom, white collars can't cope with the machine learning. They are dragged kicking and screaming into the future against their will, with no way to RETVRN to what was before.

>>2784867
That’s assuming Chinese even exist at all, it’s probably a lie made up to justify military budgets

someone made a new one before the old one was full



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I am scared im succumbing to Nihilism

The party i am in isn't giving me much hope and its expensive in the time and work i put into it, financially and physically, and I am scared the capitalist reign, and the fascist reign in America will not be overthrown in a conceivable timeframe.

What is to be done?
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>>2785757
idk, europeans built several short-lived states in occupied palestine back then too
some things never change

>>2785728
the truth is, life is unfair, it doesn't care about you or anyone. it rewards some and punishes others for no reason.
life is absurd.
if life is absurd, and you succumb to nihilism, why not just kill yourself?
you need to view life from the perspective of "What keeps you alive" not "Why not just die", you must fight the absurdity of life with your rebellious absurdity.

>>2785771
Someone’s read their french

>>2785289
>I am scared im succumbing to Nihilism

sometimes it feels like humanity will never be chill and have communism because sociopaths will always conspire to give themselves any kind of relative advantage, escalation dominance, ability to exploit others, monopoly on violence, etc.

>>2785974
That's why you kill all sociopaths. Treat them like sapient malignant tumors.



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What if like 10-20 years from now we experience a reverse-1989 and socialists gain political power all across the world and the United States collapses?
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>>2784743
Many communists forget what Engels wrote about the United States where workers have to have their revolutionary socialist party independent of the bourgeoisie without being co-opted by republicans, democrats or libertarians.

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.


<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm

Now with the quotes from Marx and Engels that it is necessary to remember:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.


<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850,
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You’d need a framework for it to spread that quickly, it’s heavily divided among different nations currently.

Personally I’m thinking maybe France would have the best chance. The USA is up in the air.

>Reverse 1989
Doubt it. 1989 was a domino effect that at best wouldn't have been a socialist catastrophic if the USSR didn't kill itself in 1991. The Warsaw Pact countries could have remained neutral and not a part of NATO if the Soviet Union was around. For example Poland didn't join until 1999. At best Eastern Europe would have been ran by some Eurocommunist trying to balance East and West. What I am trying to say is that 1989 was unique and a black swan event. A reverse 1989 would be trying to find something even more out of the blue than a black swan

>>2785092
GREAT post.

>>2784743
You need a functioning communist party for a revolution to happen at the very least.



 

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>>2739736
Anon I…

>>2739736
She’s just building up the productive forces

Anything new recently?

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>>2672346
obligatory

Delcy is a sell out



 

The revcom legitimately got brainwashed into a cult group, how the fuck did Amerikkka mindbreak domestic groups so badly? Dude has done nothing for years. There're apparently 80 page pamphlets written by their "organization" and literally an updated news page trying to market this guy as their leader.
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>>2784767
This tbh, at least when you've seized state power your guy has something to boast about. Otherwise it's like uhhhhh our guy has like uhhhh really good ideas or smt

>>2785026
>the ACP is more akin to blackhammer than the avakian RCP
it's way more akin to lyndon larouche.

How the fuck is Avakian still alive?

We need to organise cagefight between Haz and Avakian

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>>2785336
Not a single western leftist group has ever come close to the level of political recognition the ACP has achieved. Most of them have floundered in academia. Comparing Haz and Hinkle to those groups is an insult, they’re leading the revolution



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Bookchin, the man who destroyed marxism and anarchism.
Embrace the final form of revolution: Communalism.

>Marxism: dogmatic and outdated

>Anarchism: lifestylist and radical personal autonomy
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Does Bookchin actually advance a political economy that does away with wages, commodities, private property, etc? Been a while since I read him but from what I remember he was mostly focused on the politics side of things, not economics.

>>2785113
You can't deal with bourgeoisie and capitalist relations single-handedly, it's impossible to achieve socialism in one country alone so otherwise we need proletarian party which can abolish bourgeoisie state and implement new worker's state (DoTP) and since there's still a class division and contradictions there's a need for state which has to suppress any bourgeoisie oppossition.

You can't achieve le communistic relations in one commune alone if you don't want to starve your people, and even if you do create le anarchist (state) commune then it's impossible for it to be in any way a communistic society because it still has to trade with external countries, produce commodities and even has remaining elements of petite-bourgeoisie, every example of anarchism did at best implement radical democracy petite-bourgeoisie state in small area.

Creating counter-hegemonies or other quasi-states which are suppossed to challenge bourgeoisie state, in reality it doesn't actually challenge it and even just conservates it by preventing any means of organising a proletariat in order to overthrow existing state of being.

>>2785450
>But modern anarchism has become too individualistic, trapped under a philosophy that doesn’t allow any sort of organized action as it is considered authoritarian.
Isn't that why Makhno and co split with other anarchists to found platformism?

>>2785450
>Their theory just says to wait for the right moment

This doesn't mean that communist parties aren't actively organising itself and expanding their influence or/and connections among proletariat.

Revolution isn't something that party can trigger at any moment but can lead it.

>Trotsky himself said that if WW2 didn’t trigger a revolutionary response by the workers, a new strategy must be found.


I think Trotsky was wrong, and even if he was right then what strategy we should adopt according to you?

>>2785512
You keep mention the class division as a reason for a proletarian state (which always becomes another bourgeoisie state) as needed. But history shows the elite always flees during a revolution (Cuba, Rojava, Venezuela, etc.). There are other ways to uphold a revolution that don’t involve a State, like Communalism (Rojava, Zapatistas, Makhnoschvina,etc.). Although I agree not being recognized as a State is problematic in the current situation. This has caused Rojava problems as it’s not a state, technically speaking
>>2785515
Yes. Makhno even exchanged letters with Malatesta arguing that anarchism was philosophically strong but organizationally weak. And this problem has plagued anarchism since its inception.
>>2785516
Isn’t that the one million dollar question? The way I see it we need to create a base for workers to rely on, so they are more willing to take risks (such as being fired for starting a syndicate, not having savings, etc.). This base is the community, communalism, solidarity among its members.

In order to protect the popular assemblies from State power, the syndicates threaten by striking. It’s a mutual support between communalism and syndicates, without the need if a vanguard party or authoritarianism.

The problem is it’s too ambitious and it’s technically an attrition war against the State



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