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For marxists, communism is the general movement of the proletariat establishing a new mode of production for itself by overcoming the existing capitalist relations of productions (i.e. wage labor, for-profit production etc).
Every mode of production implies the existence of one group (or class) imposing its set of rules and norms upon the fores of production to realize their ambitions.

As such, feudalism emerged from the centralized empires of Antiquity by having familial clans overcome the ancient empire's armies and taking control over the agrarian and territory-based MoP. These clans later dispersed and broke down into hundreds of personal domains belonging to individuals.
The bourgeoisie managed to overcome the arbitraryness of the previous MoP by first fleeing into cities, and afterwards by pushing for the rationalization of the State's institutions to protect their property rights.

But what can the communist movement hope to achieve ? All of the previous MoP could not create to the same degree that capitalism does the fake consciousness. None of the previous bureaucratic-military apparatus could control the entirety of the population through technological means enabling mass surveillance, psychological warfare, complete control over the information etc.

The 20th century had the unique possibility of creating a mass communist movement but failed spectacularly. The average person is incapable of dissociating the worst excesses of ML regimes from the broader communist movement. Economics are completely dominated by implicit bourgeois norms. Firms have been overtaking very slowly the State to be more "efficient" without even having to answer which normative goal they aim to accomplish by being more "efficient". It seems impossible for us to realistically try to recreate the conditions necessary for a revolution. And lastly, all of the alt-left movement like the Zapatistas or Rojava failed because they were incapable of adapting to the modern conditions of the capitalist MoP.

So, what are you guys thought and predictions on the future ? I don't want to doompost but I just don't see a viable alternative for the future than more neoliberalism until firms come to overpower the State and recreate feudal relations with their employees. The 20th century was our only shot and we blew it.
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>>2884051
That’s because a union doesn’t exist to overthrow anything, it exists to get more money and benefits for itself and its members, those got broken along with any and all communist parties in sufficiently industrialized countries. They only managed to pull it off in places with a large peasantry or in the colonies where the bourgeois was either weak or could unite with the communists to cast out compradors and imperialist bourgeois.

2. Conservative or Bourgeois Socialism
>A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems. We may cite Proudhon’s Philosophie de la Misère as an example of this form. The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom. They desire the existing state of society, minus its revolutionary and disintegrating elements. They wish for a bourgeoisie without a proletariat. The bourgeoisie naturally conceives the world in which it is supreme to be the best; and bourgeois Socialism develops this comfortable conception into various more or less complete systems. In requiring the proletariat to carry out such a system, and thereby to march straightway into the social New Jerusalem, it but requires in reality, that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie. A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in economical relations, could be of any advantage to them. By changes in the material conditions of existence, this form of Socialism, however, by no means understands abolition of the bourgeois relations of production, an abolition that can be affected only by a revolution, but administrative reforms, based on the
continued existence of these relations; reforms, therefore, that in no respect affect the relations
between capital and labour, but, at the best, lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative work, of bourgeois government. Bourgeois Socialism attains adequate expression when, and only when, it becomes a mere figure
of speech. Free trade: for the benefit of the working class. Protective duties: for the benefit of the working
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>>2884056
*only a section
and i fucked up the formatting

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I think you're treating capitalism's current strength as if it were a permanent feature of history rather than a historical stage. Marx never argued that capitalism would collapse because people simply became convinced by communist arguments. He argued that every mode of production develops contradictions that eventually become too great to manage. Class consciousness is a product of struggle, not a prerequisite for it. Think about it: the Roman peasant did not wake up one morning as a conscious feudalist, and the medieval burgher did not first write liberal theory and then overthrow feudalism. Material development came first, political consciousness developed through conflict, and only afterwards did a new ruling class consolidate its ideology. Why would socialism be the only exception?

I also think you're giving bourgeois ideology too much credit. Yes, capitalist media, surveillance, advertising, and education are vastly more sophisticated than anything previous ruling classes possessed. But they exist precisely because the bourgeoisie cannot simply rely on naked force anymore. Their ideological apparatus is not evidence of invincibility; it is evidence of constant maintenance. A stable ruling class does not need to spend billions manufacturing consent every year.

As for the 20th century, I don't think "we blew our only shot" is a Marxist conclusion. The Russian Revolution happened in one of Europe's least-developed capitalist countries, after a world war had shattered the state. The Chinese Revolution emerged from semi-colonial conditions. Neither represented the mature capitalist societies Marx expected to become socialist first. Their successes and failures should therefore be analyzed concretely, not mythologized either positively or negatively. People also overestimate the permanence of capitalist legitimacy. In 1900, monarchy looked eternal. In 1985, the USSR looked permanent. In 2005, globalization looked unstoppable. History repeatedly humiliates predictions of permanence.

The real question is not "why aren't workers revolutionary?" but "what objective conditions produce revolutionary organization?" Right now, the working class is fragmented, international capital is highly mobile, unions are weak in many countries, and communist parties are either marginal or revisionist. Those are organizational problems, not proof that capitalism has transcended its contradictions. Ironically, many of the tendencies you describe are Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2884033
>labor aristocrats
ok porky



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The Hamas leadership knew what the consequences would be, yet they pursued their course anyway. They understood that Israel was winning and that it was normalizing its relationships with the Arab world. In time the Palestinians people would have been pushed aside politically and culturally.

The attack, the suffering, and everything that followed were the pursuit of the ultimate act of propaganda of the dead. It was never about winning. it was about showing the world the subhumanity of Israel. They sacrificed their own people, their sons and themselves. The strength to do it and the will to carry it through are something sacred.
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>>2884004
Yes and that's because Hamas didn't plan to die in a blaze of glory. They remained committed and endured suffering.

>>2884005
At least the IDF are bleeding in Lebanon and Syria

>>2883987
The mfs that say that "western leftists" have christian ideals and love martyrs and losers then turn around and suck off islamist losers lmao.

Islamists ᴉuᴉlossnWs dying like dogs. Damn, like real ᴉuᴉlossnW.

>>2884035
I hate Western leftists and I do not think that Western leftists have Christian ideals or any ideals for that matter, beyond new left degeneracy. They are worthless degenerates who have done nothing for the world but navelgaze.
>>2884037
Hamas are better socialists then all Western Leftists



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>participates in the destabilisation of the third world in the name of treats
>refugees flee the third world to escape the instability
>they flee to your territory ON THE SAME CONTINENT
>this is somehow the fault of everyone except you and your friends
eurocuck moment
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You morns really don't understand this is going to accelerate the collapse of the left and the rise of Caudioism

>>2883968
There isn't and hasn't been a "left" movement for over 30 years now. Not even a rise of it.

You morns really don't understand this is going to accelerate the collapse of the left and the rise of Caudioism

>>2883870
how the fuck is this zionist

>>2883978
look into it



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Was he even wrong?
>Paris Commune was preceded by the Franco-Prussian war, it's contradictions and crisis allowed it to happen
>Russian revolution was preceded by the deadliest war in history at the time, it's contradictions and crisis allowed it to happen
>WW2 preceded the communist revolutions in Eastern Europe, Korea, and China. The contradictions and crisises developed the revolution

why would nuclear war not have the same effect if not a greater effect? Would nuclear war not be a global crisis that would bring about the conditions for international revolution?
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>>2879234
btw frogs do in fact notice change in the water's temperature,which is why you cook them the same way you do lobsters,if you would slowly rise the heat,she would just wake up and jump out

>>2879240
The extent of the eccentricities of Posadas was being a sect leader at 65-69 and earlier in his life advocating for thermonuclear war during the cuban missle crisis. The alien stuff was mostly his sectmembers after he passed. Dolphin stuff are overblown ramblings of an old weak and confused man, but he had claimed an that dolphins after establishment of communism would be comrades.
At least that's from what I gauged from reading A.M. Gittlitz "I want to believe".

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>it is contradictions and crisis allowed it to happen

How is this guy not criminally underrated? Seems his problem was being ahead of his time?

>>2879240
Yeah, the real absurdity here is that he's a trotskyist



 

The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.

>What is the difference between:

>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?

Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.

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>>2874004
bro what a weird ass thing to say
>you're a victim of a heinous crime!!!!!
how is that a gotcha to anyone but a reactionary slime mold

>>2874002
>>2874031
thank you for the replies to this question. I will ponder them now but don't have much to say back except thank you. I just want you to know I have received and read them.

>>2874164 stop moralfagging on leftypol

>>2874197
it's fucking weird and you know it.

>>2874197
>moralfagging is when you realize that calling someone "raped" is a non-argument



 

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>>2881527
>this is one of the more interesting parts of his article that the anon should have posted

It is interesting. I just couldn't be bothered to post more because I doubted anyone would read it, and even when they do there's usually just
>>2881523
<nuance is the faggiest bullshit of all
Tier responses.

>>2881527
if he doesn't know the value of venezuelan oil how can he claim china was getting a 15% discount?

Looks like Rodriguez is transitioning in the opposition.

>>2879442
so how is great genius delcy going to fix the problem of america controlling the accounts where oil payments are made once trump is gone?

.



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>anti-imperialist be like
>NOOOO YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO KILL AND EXPLOIT WORKERS WITHIN THE ARBITRARY MADE UP ETHNIC BOUNDARIES OF YOUR NATION STATE!!!!

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>antiimperialists be like
<let us solve climate change and rationally organize production

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uphold D2W (Dengism-2nd-Worldism)



 

We haven't had this thread in a while so I'm bringing it back. >>>/leftypol/2851498 says mods will remove it so I am proving it wrong.

The Zionist Entity is a genocidal settler-colonial apartheid state set up by the European and North American powers to colonize the middle east. Even early zionists like Theodor Herzl understood Israel in these explicitly settler-colonial terms. Here is Herzl speaking in the 1800s, when Palestine was still Ottoman territory:

>If His Majesty the Sultan were to give us Palestine, we could offer to resolve Turkey’s finances. For Europe, we would form part of a bulwark against Asia there, we would serve as the advance post of civilisation against barbarism.


So Theodor Herzel felt not only that European people were entitled to Palestine over the people already living there (including Ottoman Jews), but that the presence of "civilized" Europeans in Israel would form a "bulwark" (forward operating base(offensive, not defensive)) against Asia, which entire continent Herzl racistly characterized as "barbaric."

Herzl was born on May 2nd , 1860 in Budapest, Hungary to a family of German speaking assimilated Jews. His father, Jakob, was a wealthy businessman and the young Theodor was expected to enter politics or engineering by his parents. In a sense, he did not disappoint, as Herzl was destined to become the father of political Zionism. While Herzl never saw his Jewish state during his lifetime, his ideology remains so influential that even today he is considered the father of Israel.

Herzl’s birthday is a holiday in Israel, his grave is a national monument, the organization he founded is still active today and the largest mountain in the country was re-named in his honor. It is not an exaggeration to say that Herzl and his ideology remain central to Zionism.

As a young man, Herzl was a fanatic Germanophile. He believed that if Jews simply tried hard enough, they could become “Germanized” and shake off what he called “shameful Jewish characteristics.” Herzl viewed German culture and language as inherently superior to that of the reviled working-class Yiddish speaking Jews. At first, he believed that Jews should be Germanized, arguing that Eastern European Jews were so "savage" and backwards that they must learn the very concepts of beauty and nobility by studying the works of authors like Goethe and Shakespeare. He initially envisionPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>Israeli lawyer Yehuda Shimon has gone viral for calling for the complete extermination of the Palestinian people because he views one Jewish life as equivalent to one million Palestinian lives.

>He said God has chosen them and that the Bible authorizes all of the land as belonging to them.


>"That just sounds racist."


>"Yes, I know."


Interviewer should've asked him how many British or whatever Western goy lives is worth compared to a Jewish life. Such an easy own. He kind of more or less said it when he started going on about how Westerners are jealous of Jews for being chosen.

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https://thecradle.co/articles-id/39131
Israeli energy minister says no deal reached to halt attacks on Gaza as killings continue
<Israeli pilots killed nine Palestinians on Sunday, days after Trump announced an agreement to disarm Hamas under the auspices of the Board of Peace

Speaking to Army Radio (GLZ), Israeli Energy Minister Eli Cohen said that "there has not been a cabinet discussion [on the Gaza plan] in the past 72 hours."

"Any armed actor who operates, threatens, that is involved with terrorism, we will eliminate him," said Cohen, who is a member of the top-level security cabinet.

Cohen added that he saw a need for Israel, which directly occupies 70 percent of the strip, to take full control of it.

Rumors that Israel agreed to end Gaza strikes emerged Sunday morning due to a statement posted to social media by UAE-based Palestinian politician Mohammad Dahlan of Fatah.

Dahlan claimed that US President Donald Trump's advisor and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, told him Israel had agreed to halt its strikes on Gaza starting Sunday as part of ongoing negotiations between Hamas and Trump's Board of Peace.

Dahlan has since retracted the claim, which came days after Hamas agreed to a disarmament plan with Board of Peace director general Nickolay Mladenov.
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>>2882767
wow abrahamoids believe God has chosen them over the other abrahamoids and that they are obligated to rape and genocide everyone, who could have seen this coming Deuteronomy 7:1-10

China reaffirms support for an independent Palestinian state
The head of the Chinese office in Palestine has reiterated China’s unwavering commitment to the Palestinian cause, according to the Wafa news agency.

Sun Zhen also expressed China’s willingness to continue humanitarian and development assistance and to strengthen Sino-Palestinian relations to new levels.

At a news conference at the Chinese Embassy in Ramallah, the ambassador said that during his meetings with Palestinian leaders, he had witnessed the extent of the injustices inflicted upon the Palestinian people.

He reaffirmed that China would continue its efforts to deepen bilateral relations, as this year also marks the third anniversary of the establishment of a strategic partnership between China and Palestine.
https://aje.news/mcmsi9?update=4826031

>>2883455
but they le trade



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>>2880895
Bezaubernde Dame. Dein Problem?

>>2882976
Biitte nicht schubsen, hab Pilsator im Rucksack.

aa

warum wurde der clip über nick land gelöscht?

>>2883033
Fein gemacht.



 

Blackpill time: Solidarity is something you, as a worker, have for other members of the working class. Solidarity is the foundation of organizing as a worker within the working class, but solidarity cannot be shared as a revolutionary with other revolutionaries, with other people who are seeking to change the system or seeking power. Any power that you do not grasp will be used against you. It's gangsterism all the way up. The comrades that you work with today will be the same comrades that stab you in the back when the revolution comes. Doesn't mean you don't work with them, it just means you check behind you every so often, and never forget that you can't have solidarity with those that would stab you in the back. The history of revolution is full of backstabs and betrayals. The fact that any of us even work together is a miracle. Because as you are working with some of these people, know that they are planning on stabbing you in the back the same way that Trotsky did, the same way that the communists did in Spain.

Don't get captured and remember that any power that you do not seek and use against those who could use it against you will be used against you. Don't get played like we got played before. The anarchist that denies power for moralistic ideologue's sake is the anarchist that ends up shot by the "communist" in the back of the head.
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>>2883365
Communists aren’t truly leftists. Communists are above leftism in truth.

>>2883365
Can you really call yourself a leftist if you don't have a list of comrades you want killed after you take power?

>>2883365
marx doomed communism to be co-opted by crypto-socdems when he kicked anarchists out of the first international

>so you're going to let the peasants have their autonomous communes within the framework of the USSR right? like a special autonomous zone?
>oh actually you're not and all of the people who fought with you have to die
>oh you have to kill everyone else that struggled for revolution to "save it"
>one must imagine the state of China if Mao had Deng killed for revisionism
>what do you mean your "revolutionary" project only lasted 70 years
>what do you mean the Ukraine and Russia are currently at war sending formerly united proles to kill each other
>i'm sure that history didn't reverberate here and if we just repeat exactly what the bolsheviks did with no changes and zero look at the last 100 years of history, we can win

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>>2883499
marx:
>Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom.

bakunin:
<By origin Marx is a Jew. One might say that he combines all of the positive qualities and all of the short comings of that capable race. A nervous man, some say to the point of cowardice, he is extremely ambitious and vain, quarrelsome, intolerant, and absolute, like Jehovah, the Lord God of his ancestors, and, like him, vengeful to the point of madness. There is no lie or calumny that he would not invent and disseminate against anyone who had the misfortune to arouse his jealousy – or his hatred, which amounts to the same thing. And there is no intrigue so sordid that he would hesitate to engage in it if in his opinion (which is for the most part mistaken) it might serve to strengthen his position and his influence or extend his power



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