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There is no hope. There is no movement. I keep waiting for the spark. For a bifurcation in the continuum. I remain dissatisfied. Capitalist Realism stands undefeated, cruising on easy mode. The Communist movement has been successfully destroyed internationally by American finance capitalism: the last imperialists.

What's for us, committed guerrilleros? Conversion to Islam, I guess. Jihad is the last form of resistance. This is the American Century.
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bleak

>convert to Islam
What if I don't want to fuck goats?

>>2808982
pork and alcohol are your life because you’re a treatler

Guy who never actually did anything in his life : "Oh man I'm so exhausted and depressed it's all over man".

I suggest you actually follow through with this larp and kill yourself



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I want to learn about the french revolution more after checking out De Toquevilles analysis of its cause and a little in Age of Capital by Hobsbawm. I've read some manifestos from the times (Babeuf, Robespierre) on marxists.org but want more history that refers to primary documents. Are the minutes of the early parliaments available, or polemics between the factions? Just give me everything pdfs or recommendations.


file unrelated

>>2804221
>Are the minutes of the early parliaments available, or polemics between the factions
Some of the most well known speech are available on the french assembly website
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/decouvrir-l-assemblee/histoire/les-grands-discours-parlementaires

but if you want the primary source of the first parliamentary debates, according to this
https://shs.cairn.info/revue-parlements1-2010-2-page-146?lang=fr#s1n2
you gotta read "Le Moniteur universel"
Theres apparently an old history book version of it "Révolution française ou, Analyse complète et impartiale du Moniteur" that you can find online
https://books.google.fr/books?id=pTM_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PP9&hl=fr&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

But even better, the BNF apparently have it digitized, then you can really feel like a 1789 frenchman reading about the debates in the news, starting from the estates general (pretty amazing honestly) :
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34452336z/date1789.r=
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k44109553

>>2804993
some good books of the period would prolly be the best ofc, but Im no expert on that front
maybe "1789-1792 / 1792-1794 : Les deux Révolutions françaises" by Henri Guillemin who is a well liked historian by leftists here in france, although it might be a bit dated now.

My entire view of jacobins is based off of TFR and it will be extremely hard to change that



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What exactly explains the (American) left's obsession with trying to "convert" right-wingers to the left?

I ask, because I've been politically active on the far-left for almost 20 years (I'm in my mid-30s) and I've seen this pattern going all the way back then. When the Tea Party crap was a thing in 2009-2010, there were a lot of leftists (mostly Trotskyists and Chomskyite anarchists) who wanted to "show them the light" and convert them to leftism. The logic was, these people have very real grievances but they've been brainwashed by the media or whatever to embrace the right instead of the left. Nowadays I see a lot of leftists talk about converting MAGAts to Marxism or the new wave of TradCaths to Liberation Theology. Hell, I see so many atheist leftists repeat the "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" mantra despite having zero stake in any Christian theology, simply because they believe doing so will win right-wring Christians over to socialism. I also see heavy, heavy romanticization of Appalachia and Appalachian culture to the point where comrades will say things like: "WE NEED TO TAKE BACK THE TERM 'REDNECK' AND MAKE IT RADICAL AGAIN!" – cool story bro, Harlan County voted for Trump by over 80%.

So why though? It doesn't help either that this seems to be a distinctly American phenomenon. When I speak to comrades in Europe, Asia, or LatAm, they make it very clear there is no converting a fascist or a communist, or a TradCath to anarchist. They're under the assumpton that you don't missionize to the right-wing on the basis that "deep down they're a good person", you fight them. There are material reasons why right-wingers remain right-wing and chose reactionary and exclusionary politics over radical leftist ones. TradCaths, Evangelicals, and Appalachian hillbillies aren't going to become communists just because Penny the Pink-Haired Grad Student panders to them.

>pic unrelated; it's a banana
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Talking to apolitical workers or moderate leftists is fine. Talking to conservatives can be okay if they share your material interests (i.e. they're working class), but it's a poor investment of your time and energy for obvious reasons. Talking to fascists and the bourgeoisie (even petite bourgeois) is counterproductive, complete waste of time.

>>2808852
i'm sure worshipping the same guy is gonna get you real far in a country detached from it, but what do i know? i'm just an ultra!

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>>2808695
Simply talk about all the obvious ways in which capitalism is completely antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. He tells his followers to care for the poor and the downtrodden, that the accumulation of wealth at the expense of others is sinful, that property should be held in common and distributed according to need, etc. In short, simply identify to them the myriad of ways in which capitalism compels and encourages people to behave in ways that are the complete opposite of Christian teachings. From there it's a small leap to point out how a socialist society would be objectively closer to the application of those teachings on a national scale.
>>2808639
>Massive scientific and technological activities that would have been greatly hampered in an environment lead by the retarded superstitions of backwards religions institutions.
And yet countries like the US which didn't engage in any crackdown on religion made similar advancements and often surpassed those of the Soviet Union. This isn't the 17th century, no mainstream Christian denomination teaches that scientific inquiry and research is a bad thing. On the contrary, some of the largest denominations (like Catholicism) actively promote it as a means to better understand God through studying creation.
>the rift already existed
The rift existed between socialism and established religious institutions. Those institutions like the Russian Orthodox Church absolutely needed to he subjugated and neutralized. However it doesn't follow from this that religion in general should be demonized. The correct course of action would be to promote schools of religious thinking which were compatible with the revolution. This is the current approach in China. If a reactionary priest tells somebody that they cannot be both a Christian and a socialist, we aren't helping our cause by confirming that and allegation and forcing Christian workers to choose between their faith and their class. We would be much better off convincing them that not only can they be both, but that their faith compels them to be a socialist.
>Religious "Marxism" rejects dialectical materialism
I see no reason why this should bePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

If you believe the world was immaculately concieved you are not a materialist. Simple as

>>2808837
>Reading my posts I see I might come across as a concern troll and I’m sorry if I do, but I’m really asking here
No, it's fine. And even if you were, it can still lead to an interesting discussion.

A big thing in Marxian historiography is that, while the overall direction of history is in a given direction, on a moment-to-moment basis, it can still go backwards. It took centuries worth of back and forth for capitalism to overtake feudalism, so long that feudalism still existed in Russia by the time the Russian revolution had occurred. Whether or not we actually are moving in the direction that Marx and Engels believe us to be is debatable, but that's a whole conversation unto itself.

>>2808852
I don't see what any of this has to do with anything.

>>2808877
>And yet countries like the US which didn't engage in any crackdown on religion made similar advancements and often surpassed those of the Soviet Union.
The US also has a construction that protects people from religious authority. Both countries were still, from a legal perspective, secular, so the distinction isn't quite as large as you think.

>This isn't the 17th century, no mainstream Christian denomination teaches that scientific inquiry and research is a bad thing. On the contrary, some of the largest denominations (like Catholicism) actively promote it as a means to better understand God through studying creation.

See above. And crazed Christians who want to live like it's the middle ages absolutely exist.
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The majority of ‘anti-fascists’ are anarakkkidies and shitlibs who a pose it purely because of “Muh democracy” or “le authoritarianism” the lies about communism are basically the same lies about fascism, to be frank fascism at its core is a better alternative to capitalism but not by much. I suppose fascism also was, at least under hitlers policies,very antisemitic and anti-gay, but there are plenty of Queer-phobic communists and many communists where anti Isreal and sometimes anti-Jewish to some extents(xDDD)

Anti-fascists and fascists are both liberals fighting to the last worker for the sacredness of capital

The left and right are meaningless bourgeois abstractions. We are the real movement. Next question?

If you reply to this thread you're either a troll or retarded

>to be frank fascism at its core is a better alternative to capitalism
No it isn't you stupid simian chimp

i hate them because i hate all social-democrats

Most rank-and-file fascists in a fascist state like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy would be rank-and-file Communists in a socialist state TBH



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Was Marx taking a subtle jab at the bible at the end of the Manifesto?

>The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working Men of All Countries, Unite!

  • The Communist Manifesto Ch 4

>For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
  • The Gospel of Matthew 16:26

Is Marx saying that since souls don't exist, it is better to gain the world and lose one's chains?

BRAVO MARX!

All religious "Marxists" are LARPers.

>>2808214
actually buddhism does not contradict marxism or the dialectical method

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>>2808164
it may or may not have been a deliberate reference. Hard to tell.

>>2808229
It does, on the virtue of being metaphysical, but definitely it does not contradict it as egregiously as Western Platonic idealism does, which likely contributed to its success in China.



 

Recently saw a discussion in regards to "Third Worldism" as in MLM + unequal exchange (a non-Wallerstinian branch of world systems theory) having grown in influence in the anglophone/western, largely online, "communist" spaces.
Here is my dialectical engagement, as they were on to something important, not usually recognized, but also partially incorrect. I attempt to correct it ITT.

Unequal exchange, Mao/Chinese aesthetics and purely performative MLM rhetoric has grown in recent years… But with time comes change.

The original 90s ThirdWorldism "movement", centered in north-america diverged from MLM on a variety of theoretical issues, most crucially the revolutionary nature of the proletariat. They supplemented their divergence with integrating post-Marxist turns happening in word-systems theory (which was ongoing in western academia between the 80s and 90s). As ""Maoism" ThirdWorldism" largely accomplished nothing, other than maybe increasing confusion in the communist movement during the era of blackest reaction, we mostly remember them by their cartoony writing and online media available through archives from that era.

So if 90s Third Worldism was a north-american revisionist offshoot from MLM which integrated non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and rejecting revolution in the imperial core for rhetorical "support" of [far off, peripheral countries]… What are the particularities of the contemporary expression?

2020s Third Worldism can be observed as being a north-american right-wing revisionist movement which retains both the non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and the purely symbolic appeals to Mao, but now replacing the "MLM" pretender framing for the simpler, safer state ideology of social-imperialist China; that also just so happens to feign adherence to 'Mao Zedong Thought', even after it was systematically replaced with the Bukharinist-Dengist capitulationist counterrevolution. which is continued today, the true basis for Xi Jinping Thought, as the bureaucrat-monopoly capitalist heading the political line of the party has only deepened the cementation of a new pole in the capitalist imperialist world system since Deng, when neither as many NEZ, stock markets, overall % of bourgeois in the party or billionaires existed in China. Mao Zedong Thought lives on in the rural and urban areas of any militant area of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2767356
>yeah so we're going to need you working 30 minutes monday,two hours tuesday etc etc
the statements of the utterly deranged

>>2767315
Are there any blogs that have historicised this being the case via archival methods or something similar? Or is it able to be unearthed through links to SA archives? Wasn't a SA user but considering it was very internet-centric this doesnt sound too unlikely. Would need some sort of proof of the connective tissue to counter-pose to the emergence of the M3W """orgs""" like MIM, IRTR, LLCO, etc.

>>2767251
invasive plant species mean no more "bullshit jobs",mechanical removal with lawn equipment of phragmites and kudzu alone would end unemployment.

>>2769125
>kudzu
Ok. Based. I changed my mind.

Mamdani status?



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Marxism is not about vibes, justice, or who feels bad. It is about material development. Any attempt to condemn American imperialism primarily on moral grounds is liberal humanism, and therefore idealism. Despite the moral indignation likely to follow this post, let me explain.

As is well known, of all the things Karl Marx was, an idealist he was not. Nor was he a moralist. He did not frame his analysis of social phenomena—however fraught—in terms of ethical condemnation or approval. Even when discussing subjects as uncomfortable as prostitution, Marx was concerned with material conditions, not moral outrage. One can only imagine his incredulity at seeing self-described “Marxists” today reverting to liberal moral language when confronted with elite scandal, mistaking denunciation for analysis.

Naturally, as a man of his time, Marx was not immune to contemporary prejudices. This is neither here nor there. What matters is that his method rejected moral evaluation as the driver of history.
Unlike Whig historians, Marx understood history as neither moral nor immoral, but amoral. Accordingly, he described phenomena such as the destruction of Indigenous societies in the Americas, the expansion of European colonialism, British rule in India, and even slavery in ancient Greece as progressive—not in an ethical sense, but insofar as they advanced productive forces and dissolved pre-existing social relations. In the Greek case, slavery marked the transition from tribal organization to the polis. In the colonial case, capitalism shattered stagnant forms of production. For Marx, European colonialism represented a double mission: destructive, certainly, but historically necessary.

It is with this framework in mind that one can argue—without moral embellishment—that Marx would have understood modern American imperialism as a progressive force. If historical progress is defined by the destruction of pre-capitalist social relations and the development of productive forces, then American imperialism is not merely progressive, but among the most effective such forces in history. Marx regarded capitalism itself as a violent yet necessary stage, since communism emerges through capitalism, not alongside or prior to it. To recoil from this conclusion by introducing moral exceptions is to abandon materialism in favor of sentimentality, a tendency unfortunately common in the contemporary Western left.
One may object to American imperialism on Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2808465
This shit must be bait

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>1979 Islamic Revolution

The west is the reason that counter revolution exists howeverbeit

>>2808536
>They've been deindustrialize Europ
Not necessarily, Europe has become deindustrialized because the end of Euro colonialism, the aging of their population and China rising

>>2808544
As long as we don't call China socialist it's alright.

>>2808544
indeed it is, glory to chinese imperialism due to its progressive nature, and death to the american and russian imperialism!

I'm not reading all that slop, but the vibe I'm getting is that you've reinvented Kautskian ultraimperialism. this doesn't work, for reasons that Lenin lays out in Imperialism



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I was born in 1998, so 2001-2010 was basically my childhood. Gen Alpha kids don't even know what cartoons are - they just grow up on YouTube. As a Z kid (1996-2009) I can say Gen Alpha is cultureless. As a Zoomer I grew up on Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Billy & Mandy, Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends, Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, Duel Masters, Beyblade, Pokemon, Ed, Edd n Eddy, Code Lyoko, Invader Zim, and so on. I didn't discover YouTube until 2006, and even then, it was NOT on a smartphone! Everything is fucking woke now. I would hate to have a childhood growing up in this era (2011-present). I was 13 when popular culture started to suck.

What cartoons do they have for kids growing up now? Adventure Time, Gravity Falls or Rick & Morty at best. Woke garbage.
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>>2808106
1 episode of Tom & Jerry clears all those.

What does this have to do with marxism and the working class?

>>2808514
Cartoons are beloved by proletarians

>>2808514
It's political because it deals with popular culture in the cancer era (2011 onwards).

Moved to >>>/hobby/47633.



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>Russia is an oligarch controlled shithole so british workers aren't proles
Why are ziggoids like this?

>>2808533
No more oligarch controlled than the West, actually. You don't get to claim to have less corruption by legalizing it as lobbying, lol

>>2808530
>25% of brits having less than 200 punds saved
>60% of russians have some sort of savings
still means 15% more of russians compared to bongs do not have any savings at all

mean savings in bongland is 19 000 gbp which is almost exactly 1 900 000 rub. feel free to gloat when half of russians have more money saved

or at least 807 500 rub by ppp (potato purchasing parity)

19000/1.2*51




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Once the evidence of extreme abuse began surfacing in surprising numbers, the 'False Memory Syndrome Foundation' (FMSF) was set up to promote the theory that victims are suffering from a syndrome that creates false memories, often at the suggestion of psychotic parents or over-zealous psychiatrists.

The members of the FMSF have been called as expert witnesses in hundreds of trials around the United States and have been routinely quoted as experts in the media. Their mission has been exceptionally successful, as the 'false memory syndrome' has become accepted as a fact in most of the public consciousness. Unfortunately, people rarely stop to ask the question, who exactly are the members of the FMSF, and how solid is their science?

Peter J. Freyd initiated the founding of the FMSF after being accused of sexual abuse by his daughter, Jennifer. His behavior has been particularly suspect, such as accusing his daughter of being brain damaged, despite the fact that she holds a PhD in Psychology, graduated magna cum laude from Penn and is currently a tenured professor of psychology at the University of Oregon. Speaking to The Oregonian, Jennifer Freyd stated that “I’m sometimes flabbergasted that my memory is considered ‘false’ and my alcoholic father’s memory is considered rational and sane.”

Peter Freyd once stated that “With the help of Harold Lief and Martin Orne, the FMSF quickly gathered a respectable appearing advisory board, giving the new syndrome an aura of scientific acceptance.” Interestingly, Dr. Martin T. Orne has been heavily involved with MK-ULTRA experiments since the early '60s, where he undertook hypnosis studies at Harvard Medical School with a $30,000 grant from the CIA.

CIA documents have confirmed that Orne had a 'top secret' clearance in MK-ULTRA. He has published many papers relevant to the creation of a 'Manchurian candidate', including one called “Can a hypnotized subject be compelled to carry out otherwise unacceptable behavior?”, another called “The significance of unwitting cues for experimental outcomes: Toward a pragmatic approach”, and lastly “Restricted use of success cues in retrieval during post-hypnotic amnesia”.This is an interesting subject matter history given the FMSF's insistence that hypnotism is illegitimate.

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>>2808294
Hey man you know this guy epstein

>>2808330
A lot of people block memories because of trauma you fool

>>2808435
so true, no one can ever just reproduce false memories

People here acting like fortune teller saying "that's bullshit" put of their ass reading some article. Is there a chance somebody in the history of the world created a false memory of abuse? Yes. Will YOU uyghas realize just by reading some testimony? Not with any semblance of certainty. Is there ritual child rape happening? YES and the whole Epstein shit is more than enough proof. Are there a lot of powerful people interested in covering that up? Yes. I remember out of the top of my head this israelite lady, the daughter of this powerful far right family (her Mama's in one of their houses of deputys or whatever the name is, shes a famous bitch) and she got found dead by this association with known ties with Epstein. The lumpenoligarchy is real and they do some fucked shup, i dont know what these anons showing so much skepticism are tryna do, but they should shut their lame ass mouths.

>>2808439
And they do some fucked up shit*



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