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Today is an amazing day, one of the best days on Earth, the day the disgusting boy fucking nailed jew worshipping reekoid despotate of Constantinople was rightfully destroyed by the forces of the Mujahideen and its vile vermonous memory erased from history forever

Today is the day the reek locust cuckstantine XI got his head served on a plate by our turkish brothers

Fuck byzanturds, fuck reeks, may their memory be eternally cursed.

My only lament is that the Abbassids were too lazy to destroy this loathsome pathetic excuse of a country earlier
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The West will always win in the end.

hey guys i'm turkis now külülülu byelülü ı ı ı uyghür

>jew worshipping

uygha your meme religion wouldn't have existed without Judaism

>nailed jew
Not very pious for a Muslim to talk about one of the most important prophets in their religion like that.




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>>2824013
if MLs were seriously threatening then they wouldn't be the largest party in every country representing communism

>>2824018
Ah yes, it will be you and your clique is the real movement.

>>2824021
i don't claim to be the Next Big Thing, on the other hand you imagine a future of MLism that doesn't really appear to exist, even in places where it was once strong, it simply becomes (and became) another form of socialist reformism, rather as you imagine it to be, some truly revolutionary idea

MLism is just state Capitalism. Stalin notwithstanding, they don't trend towards pedo/ephebophilia like RWers do

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>>2825953
You're chimp out all over the site.



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Anyone who claims to be a Marxist but cares about "police violence" in modern America is a tard. The police don't break strikes anymore, it isn't 1925. They are not being used against the interests of the proletariat, they are used against the lumpenproletariat, and frankly I could not care less if every drug dealing lumpen thug got mag dumped. The lumpenproletariat are not a revolutionary class. Yes, the police are the armed wing of the bourgeois state, this is of course true-but that is only relevant in it's relation to the proletarian movement. The post office is also technically an arm of the bourgeois state but nobody gaf because mail delivery does not have a significant impact on the interests of the proletariat. If New Leftist retards who claim to be Marxists were consistent with their claim that they oppose the police because police historically broke strikes, they would logically put the effort they put into "ACAB" retardation into Union organizing and combating corporate anti union policy which is essentially the modern replacement of armed strikebreaking. They don't do this because they are not really Marxists and their movement is one of idpol.
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>>2825713
Well, now that the "left" rebranded as peace antimilitary it's going to be hard to implement it without backlash

>>2825716
The backlash against being conscripted is the fuel for the movement though

>>2825688
Brother we're not liberals we're fucking materialists.
ACAB "rethoric" isn't bullshit it's just acknowledging the reality that a few bad apples spoil the bunch. The police are an organized gang backed by the rule of law, they look out for each other. "Good cops" protect bad cops. That's what ACAB means. Any "good cop" would stop being a cop.

>>2825716
>>2825732
The value of conscription is essentially accelerationist in nature. It would help us in a number of ways, but it's not the sort of thing we could openly advocate for or make part of a program.

>>2825667
>i want as many people on reddit as possible
found the agent
see how these loyalty tests work in practice, anyone can just take anything you say and twist it



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>Those not wondering what a Maoist is wonder how I could have been one. It’s a historical moment that has vanished without a trace.

>In the early 1970s, when I came of age politically, the U.S. government was raining death on Vietnam abroad and hunting down Black militants at home. The system manifestly required more than a little tinkering to be set right. Anyhow, I had committed myself not just to a reformed world but a world turned upside down. For all its Marxist pretences, Russia seemed to resemble the United States. The grey-on-grey of Soviet-style socialism didn’t exactly fire the imagination. On the other hand, China appeared on the brink of ushering in a new world. Those coming back from Maoist China echoed the writer Lincoln Steffens on his return from Lenin’s Russia: “I have seen the future, and it works.” From Chairman Mao down to the ordinary worker and peasant, everyone seemed to be practicing a simple, austere lifestyle, contemptuous of bourgeois amenities and devoted to a larger collective purpose. I still remember the sense of moral inferiority on my first sighting of a real-life exemplar of this “new socialist man” from China (in fact, a woman, Carmelita Hinton, daughter of famed Maoist author William Hinton) at a left-wing conference in New York. Shamed by my bourgeois baggage, I decided against introducing myself to her.


>Maoism seemed irrefutable proof of an alternative to the rat-race existence. To cynics who maintained that creating a society based on non-acquisitive values was utopian, I replied: Look at China! It was even said that petty theft had disappeared. Bicycles weren’t chained up, lost items were returned. While I was taking a nap late one winter’s night in my college student centre, someone stole my brand new work shoes from, literally, right under my feet. Furious at the theft and having had to walk home barefoot in the slush, the next day in my Chinese foreign policy class I indignantly declared, “This wouldn’t have happened in China!” Many of my classmates no doubt silently thought that it served this self-righteous ass**** right.


>The precepts of Chinese Communism mirrored my own of a decent society. Prime Minister Chou En-Lai always had pinned to his lapel the button, “Serve the people.” Praising the wisdom and dignity of ordinary workers, a Mao quotation declared that the “worker
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>>2824834
>Ok but still a liberal academic who is not a communist.
I don't care but he's a big Rosa guy iirc. Like when he wants to cope with how vulgar and trashy everything is today he reads Rosa.

>>2825300
I'm not sure how much translations would change it because "On Guerrilla Warfare" does read differently from highly technical U.S. military field manuals. Like that stuff from Mao was more like a handbook to shaping the correct mindset in guerrilla cadre because they operated independently and outside communication. Also how do you phase operations and levels of organization up or down depending on the situation. Stuff like that. It's not advice on setting up a firing position, they either had other manuals for that or just experimented because it's a peasant guerrilla army, they can figure it out.

I think some of these 60s leftists were just going on vibes. Like a lot of them were literal teenagers (or in any case quite young, few older than early 20s) who wanted to be like Che, and they just completely misread that stuff because they believed they could do in the United States what Che did in Cuba. A lot of romanticism about that. Otoh most of the Chinese Red Army in the 1930s/1940s were teens too but it was different growing up in rural China back then.

The "wise" old Fink does take his time to find the party with a less correct line. Seems book publishing money on pet topics was too good enough for such silly and embarrassing things like the communist movement.

>>2825598
>Like that stuff from Mao was more like a handbook to shaping the correct mindset in guerrilla cadre because they operated independently and outside communication.
Yeah and I can totally imagine someone who isn’t that good at translating Chinese and isn’t familiar at all with what actual war was like or what Chinese peasants were like completely misunderstanding those concepts and turning the whole thing into some kind of religious text. Also, all of the modern available translations of Mao’s military writings we have right now are basically from Griffith and other US military officials and we really have no idea what earlier translations were like.

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>>2824002
Makes me wonder what will happen with the death of Western Dengism. I guess people aren't particularly wedded to ideologies like in the past so it won't make much of a splash. Still, maybe a few meltdowns here and there.



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why do americans have an odd definition of who is "working class" or not? apparently only "blue-collar" workers can be considered working class in america while people like teachers and office workers aren't even though they occupy the same class relationship (employee-employer)
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>>2825631
Even though most Americans are service or distribution workers

>>2825631
Service workers do create surplus value. Read Marx.

>>2825683
they create surplus value, but don't have any leverage because they're interchangeable and honestly kind of useless and getting replaced by the internet.

>>2825631
so true this is why america has the strongest proletarian movement

It's just resentment at the difference in quality of life, so they try to insist white collar workers aren't part of the club.

To be fair, the managerial class gets more and more bougie the higher up the ladder you go, even though in principle they should all be proles, because as you go up the incentive structure doesn't just force alignment with bourgeois imperatives but the compensation they're paid, especially at the executive level, allows them to become part of the bourgeoisie themselves, especially as shareholders.



 

Could the worship of objects that lots of people have be the reason why we can't have socialism, or is it just a symptom of living in a capitalist society?

Are object obsessed guys (such as "car guys") incompatible with civilization, or has neo-liberalism indoctrinated people who would otherwise be pro-social into ignoring human suffering in order to purchase and worship objects?



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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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<Inside Cuba, particularly the Business Administration Group SA (GAESA) is a holding company that controls 40% of the island’s GDP, directly administered by the Cuban Armed Forces (FAR) and linked to the Castro family. While the majority of the population lives in extreme poverty, the group controls the tourism sector by managing luxury hotels, airports, ports, travel agencies, and thousands of shops. It manages import and export operations, controlling various trade routes. It controls the flow of foreign currency, including services through Western Union and the International Financial Bank (BFI). Its financial assets, totaling tens of billions of dollars, are held in secret accounts abroad, used for massive investments in infrastructure and the private sector, at the expense of social services such as healthcare.

<Several holding companies, linked to varying degrees to the country’s largest economic conglomerate, are examples of these: CIMEX SA, owner of a network of stores, gas stations, import and export companies, restaurants, and financial services; ETECSA, the monopoly on telephone and internet services; Corp. Habanos SA, a joint venture between the State-owned Cubatabaco group and the British tobacco company Imperial Tobacco; BioCubaFarma, which groups together pharmaceutical companies; and Cubana de Aviación, the national airline that controls domestic and international flights. These are just some of the most important examples.


<Many of these companies operate through offshore companies registered abroad, often in Panama, to circumvent US sanctions, demonstrating how State capital merges with private capital.


Cuba is literally just another corrupt incompetent latin american country that uses welfarism and communist aesthetics to hide it's fundamental flaws.

>>2825103
Well is that so ? i dont want the united states invading the rest of latin america either ?

>>2825104
Neither do I. But if it happens, Cuban workers and soldiers should engage in revolutionary defeatism as the Cuban govt is not worth fighting for.

>>2825103
Even if that was the case I don't want Trump to turn Cuba into another Epstein-colony
>>2825130
You are not a leftist if you actually think this

>>2825097
Firstly, America won't accept ships which have docked in Cuba in the previous 180 (might be wrong about this figure) days. Effectively this means a cargo ship has to cross the Atlantic without docking in America, by far the largest import and export market in the region, all so they can trade with Cuba, a very small market. Financially, this makes no sense, and it results in Cuba having to pay the highest transport fee of any country on earth for their imports and exports.

Secondly, trade flows function like gravity. The closer and larger an economy, the more you will trade with it. Given its proximity and size, America should be Cuba's primary trading partner - and would be, were it not for the embargo. Cuba has to find new trading partners instead of using their natural biggest trading partner, adding to expense and harming their ability to buy and sell goods competitively.

The embargo slowly strangles Cuba and severely retards it's economic development.



 

What were the class dynamics behind the rise of fascism in Europe?

A while ago I read The Persistence Of The Old regime by Arno Mayer (I wrote a short summary here >>>/edu/25554). It can be summarized as follows:
<"Down to 1914 Europe was preeminently pre-industrial and prebourgeois. Its civil societies being deeply rooted in economies of labor-intensive agriculture, consumer manufacture and petty commerce."
>Mayer goes on to show that economically, politically and culturally the now post-feudal ancien regime was still dominant. The grande bourgeoisie did not yet exist as a class for itself. Its new industrial economic base was grafted onto the old, but still dominant, agricultural one, the latter of which the nobility held in their hands through their vast land ownership.
Mayer asserts in Why Did The Heavens Not Darken, his book on the Judeocide, that Germany was "very much still an old regime" even after the revolution that ended the Wilhelmine autocracy. The same was true for much of Eastern Europe, hence why there too there was an aristocratic propensity towards empowering fascists as to use their popular base for the former's continued survival.

Right now I'm reading Hitler And The Peasants by Gustavo Corni and he too mentions the continued, but waning, supremacy that large landowners enjoyed on the countryside:
>[…] until 1940-5 the cast of large landowners in the east (aristocratic or otherwise) continued to exercise a hegemonic role from a social and politico-cultural point of view, rather than from an economic one.
Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, himself an arch-Junker, and entered into a coalition with the traditional conservatives of the DNVP. The latter were only willing to do so after losing many (countryside) votes to the NSDAP because they failed to copy their "popular" conservatism.

Corni notes on Nazi agricultural ideology:
>The vital role of the state, the preservation of the landed estates for strategic purposes, and imperialist expansion (which was much more a response to the deeply rooted demands of the Junkertum than a move in the interests of the peasants) — these were all muted notes in the 'leitmotif' which ran through [Nazi agricultural ideologist Richard Walter] Darré's idePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2813922
Wouldn't Bonapartist be a better description

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>>2814129
It varied quite a bit. According to Jonathan Petropoulos there were broadly three common attitudes among nobles toward the Nazis. The most common view was that of conservative nobles who saw the Nazis as an effective way to defeat the liberals and restore Germany to greatness. Many of them would have preferred the monarchy’s return, but they were ultimately willing to tolerate the Nazis.
The second group supported the Nazis, though not necessarily in a deeply ideological sense. They were deeply antisemitic but didn't care about Aryan super race stuff, they just viewed Adolf Hitler like a new Emperor figure.
The third group, which was less common but later became more famous consisted of aristocrats who disliked the Nazis, not for progressive reasons, but because they saw them as peasant socialist upstarts and resented being lectured by a Bohemian corporal.

>>2824965
There was a British intelligence study of German POWs examining their motivations for fighting. Only around 15% were genuinely committed to Nazi ideology, while about 35% said they were simply doing their duty. The remaining 50% said they were fighting for Hitler or for Germany. For most of them, loyalty to Hitler was the same kind of loyalty an earlier generation felt toward the Kaiser. I think the nobles viewed him in much the same way, overlooking his lower-class origins because they saw him first and foremost as Germany’s leader.

>>2825333
Makes you wonder where half the population that voted for the SPD and KPD went. A lot of soldiers would have been young teenagers at the time of the Machtergreifung and the threat of detention in the concentration camp system loomed over them if they were anything but enthusiastic about dying in a ditch on the eastern front, but still curious how they managed to integrate these people into the Wehrmacht.

>>2825341
Its leaders were arrested or forced to resign and parties were dissolved, so regular voters and even lay party members afterwards could only just live their lives. there were basically only two real outcomes, being a passive citizen workers a communist working with the Nazis.

Now there was active resistance, but the overwhelming majority of people generally fell into two broad camps.
One example might be a unionized factory worker in Berlin who voted for the SPD in 1932 and lost his union after the Nazis destroyed independent labor organizations. He dislikes the Nazis but has a wife and children to support. He stops attending political meetings, avoids criticizing the regime publicly, joins the Nazi Labor Front because it becomes effectively mandatory for employment, and performs outward displays of loyalty. Privately, he may complain at home, but publicly, he conforms.
The other path might be an unemployed industrial worker in the Ruhr who voted for the Communist Party of Germany during the Great Depression and later finds stable employment as Nazi rearmament expands factory work. Over time he begins to believe Nazi claims that Germany has “recovered” because of national unity under Adolf Hitler. He may never become deeply committed to Nazi racial ideology, but he becomes broadly supportive of the regime.



 

What the fuck is Cuckla da $ilva's problem? Why does he hate the latam proletariat so much? Why does he love the U$ and its right-wing puppet in Bolivia so much?
I know there is at least one major Lula simp here on this website, show your face freud flag anon, explain this, is this some 5D chess move or do you accept you support an enemy of the latam proletariat?
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It's because he's Brazilian.

Cuckla (forgot xher name) said Marx is an obsolete old man while hitting the griddy during his succdem election party

>deep concern
>humanitarian aid
What exactly is the problem here? He's not summoning his nonexistent red guards to climb into the andes and declare war on Bolivia?

There's basically an ongoing revolution in La Paz right now and all OP can do is bitch about Bolivia's neighbors. Talk about burying the lede!

what can you expect from the leftist version of bernie sanders?

>>2825362
This. He's a socdem. You can't expect much.



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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

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>>2824911
In fact better question, petite bourgeoisie/bourgeoisie test
>my dad particularly owns his doctors practice and works in contract with the government as previously stated,he is the boss of the practice and has other people work for him, although he also does his own work. I’m not actually sure how his job really works or how much he owns
>my aunt and uncle both are in finance, as well as my dad, don’t really know how it works but I think it’s just bettings and investments

That’s really it, does my family even matter at this point?



>>2824947
How morally bankrupt and coldly elitist was it for Marx and Engels to dismiss the "lumpenproletariat" - the most wretched, desperate, and brutally crushed victims of capitalism - as nothing more than a degenerate, passive, rotting underclass unfit for revolution, when history repeatedly shows these exact marginalized groups were often far more radical, violent, and revolutionary than the supposedly pure, disciplined industrial proletariat they fetishized?

How do I convince my stalinoid friends that trotskyism is the best ideology?



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