/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Yes but also no. No because the movement is still too weak for that. Yes because we need to have a proper understanding of what went wrong in the past/present and what to do in the present/future.

See: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2816472.html#q2816472

They are tethers who support suffering since they know they the disastrous aftermath won’t be externalised onto them anyway.

>>2816474
>Venezuelan cheered when Maduro was kidnapped
He was running the country to the ground and venezuelans are poorer than theyve ever been under his rule

I hate gusanos

I dont get it, if they think they are incabable of governing themselves, why dont they want to be governed by am actual successfull governement, like China's?

>>2816458
yep, indeed pretty good considering its situation

>>2816474
>cheered
no they largely didn't

>>2810619
>Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee
Adventurist retardation

>>2810658
>I was originally going to post this thread in leftychan's /dead/ board
As an olddandy and also the leftcom on 0chan I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.

>>2810634
Appel idk is an irrelevant ideology that only people who have ever heard of it are the most uk Dora borderline anarchist bordigists pursust deviationists
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>>2811727
Exactly THEYRE so irrelevant that I just header about them now and I know about things like de Leonism, accelerationism, the bordigist the damenists and compromises middle factions between them in the left-com movement the og accelerationists etc…

>>2816501
Autocorrect raped me when I said ultra bordigist

>>2816488
>I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.
make it here and just call it /communism/ to make red socdems seethe

At least one person killed in shooting at Islamic Center of San Diego
Police rushed to the center on Monday and “neutralized” the shooter, according to authorities. Authorities had not yet confirmed any fatalities or injuries, but chairman of the mosque that was targeted confirmed to outlets that a guard had been killed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/18/active-shooter-report-san-diego-islamic-center

Trump officials plan to repeal limits on ‘forever chemicals’ in drinking water
The Trump administration’s plan comes just two years after the US Environmental Protection Agency set legally enforceable drinking water limits for six of the most dangerous Pfas compounds that have been studied. The chemicals include some of the most toxic substances, and are linked to a range of cancers and other serious health problems.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/18/trump-administration-epa-pfas-water

Trump creates $1.8B "anti-weaponization" fund after dropping IRS suit
The dismissal comes as Trump has reportedly considered launching a $1.776 billion taxpayer-funded compensation fund for those who claim they were wrongfully targeted by the Biden administration, including Jan. 6 defendants.
https://www.axios.com/2026/05/18/trump-irs-lawsuit-dropped
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US states reject anti-vaccine bills as public health groups fight MAHA
Dozens of state anti-vaccine bills backed by "Make America Healthy Again" supporters have failed after public health groups won over Republican state lawmakers, marking a series of defeats for the backers ​of Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
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Why Is the Labour Right Desperate to Rehash Brexit?: It’s like 2016 all over again.
For those of you a little out of puff after last week’s avalanche of Labour leadership maneuverings, remember: it’s a marathon not a sprint. Stay hydrated, folks, and find your pace, because we’ve exactly a month to go before 18 June. That’s the date now being reported (though still unconfirmed) on which the good people of Makerfield will select their new MP – and possibly the next prime minister. Forget the future, though: it’s history that’s been occupying Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham this weekend. Even though only Streeting has declared his intention to run, everyone and their dog knows they’re our current contenders for the Labour crown. That may explain why the recently ex-health secretary, very much the longshot in this race, decided to truly set le chat amongst i piccioni on Samstag. Yes, chicos, we’re Brexdebating like it’s 2016 all over again. “Leaving the European Union,” Wes Streeting told a meeting of the Labour right Progress group this weekend, “was a catastrophic mistake.” That’s quite the stall to set out when you’re pitching for the biggest job in politics. Guaranteed to turn the stomach of one chunk of the electorate, overstimulate the hope cores of another, and send the rest into a spiral of screaming pub lunch flashbacks, little could be more divisive. Were Streeting leading the Labour party to a general election tomorrow, ‘Catastrophic’ would be graffitied across his political tombstone the very next day. Of course, Streeting is not running for popular election anytime soon. But Andy Burnham probably is. The Greater Manchester mayor has, from the comfort of his northern throne, mused similarly in the past. “Long term,” he said of the EU at Labour conference last September, “I’m going to be honest, I’m going to say it: I want to rejoin it.”
https://novaramedia.com/2026/05/18/why-is-the-labour-right-desperate-to-rehash-brexit/

China, the “Thucydides Trap” and the Illusion of “Anti-Imperialist Multipolarity”
President Xi Jinping’s invocation of the so-called “Thucydides Trap” during the recent hosting of Donald Trump was not a neutral geopolitical observation. It reflected a real and sharpening contradiction within the imperialist systePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Because revolutionary communism isn't about cheering for whichever side is perceived as having the bigger number. How was the Soviet Union involved in national liberation struggles? The Soviets were dragged kicking and screaming into a progressive role in Vietnam, with their involvement in national liberation struggles post-Stalin principally being self-serving and uninterested in establishing self-sufficient, revolutionary socialist states. Hence why every single "socialist" government established after the Indochinese revolutions collapsed soon before or immediately after the fall of the USSR. These weren't socialist or revolutionary, they were dependent neo-colonies.

You fail to understand the Maoist position because you look at everything as empty labels. To you, Communism is an aesthetic, politics a matter of vibes and "geopolitical" ""pragmatism"", and Maoists simply "call" others social-imperialists — you haven't bothered to do any amount of investigation to understand the essence of that critique or the meanings of these words.

>maoist china ended up coddling up to the USA
>was it because "white people bad"?
I couldn't possibly be rolling my eyes harder right now.

>>2815983
It did cuddle up with the USA although, and also invaded vietnam, an indepedent revolutionary socialist state

>>2816262
True my personal take on the Dino-Soviet split was that both sides bad but also both sides good

>>2816281
They split the T-Rex in two ? I knew he was a revisionist

>>2816389
It autocorrects sino to either Sind Dino or sink

Also there are people in the DSA who want to break from the Democrats altogether and form a distinct party. This is difficult to do because of the nature of the American system, but I think Americans should think about what goes on in the Western Hemisphere. Morena in Mexico was actually a national movement before it moved into a party formation led by AMLO who was the popular mayor of Mexico City, and then they just took over the country when they saw that they could win a presidential election. More likely than not you will see Mamdani run for higher office as a Democrat, but I'm just saying, in these circumstances today you need to have some kind of structure to win elections, not just what Karl Marx and Lenin said. That can turn into pure ideology which can become an obstacle.

You know Houdini? He's a leftypol poster that's facing the possibility of going to jail. But that's not going to wake anybody up or convince anybody. A lot of people have gone to jail in some way related to their politics and have had no effect. What do you have to tell the worker who loses his job trying to get a better wage? That he has to sacrifice himself and build a party because capitalism is wrong? That guy doesn't give a damn about the differences between left-wing sects. You don't have to quote Das Kapital at them. You can believe in that because you're a socialist and that's how you're educated but you have to build a movement, and chapters of any movement needs autonomy at the ground level otherwise they're not going to be able to reach their communities.

>>2815819
Morena is pretty interesting to me because it seems like it kinda picked up the old more loudly suc dem national developmentalist branding that the PRI abandoned after Cárdenas. Although I do wonder what it would take for the burger unions to actually withdraw from the burger party system as it stands, given how much union involvement in politics centers on the AFL-CIA and Team$$ter$

>>2815819
I think it's probably best to understand that the way our political system is built heavily incentivizes two and only two parties. 3rd party candidates often cannot even get on the ballot so people can vote for them. That's why despite both parties being unpopular there aren't real alternatives and why DSA has a bizarre "let's grow within a party so that we can usurp and destroy that party" plan. Will it work? Probably not, but it's been 250 years, and 3rd parties are less effective than ever.

DSA is too big tent to say they would all organize into a unified militant force and how a civil war actually develops and which foreign powers get involved probably changes things.

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>>2812799
The DSA does have a large anti-Democrat even revolutionary faction though the party is controlled by socdem democrats that are ruining the org. I personally think the left-DSA should split and United with greens psl, etc… to form a United front and eventual fight in the civil war by the 2040s/50s and win.

>>2812807
All national socialism is democratic socialism, bit not all democratic socialism is national socialism.

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hahaha that guy is too wrathful and prideful to accept you agree with him so he has to pretend like he won a fight that never happened in the first place. peak imageboard chud behavior.
>>2816162
>exploitation is a para-ethic term bro
read marx, holy fucking shit, the term appears 115 times in my translation of volume 1, alone.

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>>2816139
>Technologies have an order of dependence to them that can not be arbitrarily skipped over. Without the knowledge and skills associated with a particular stage of technology, you can not simply go on to develop the next.
Sure, but the claim then becomes one of technological determinism, and so fatality upon the prospect of political action. This is the main error, that if we consider the development of history simply as the means by which we relate to instruments of production, then a post-capitalist era is signified as simply being consequential of an innovation in production, and so the Philosopher's Stone of social transformation. The issue is that Marx's criticism of capitalism is not simply based in its capacity for production, but its manner of distribution, or in how the relations of production are given from the mode of production. The issue of the syllogism (production-distribution/exchange-consumption) then is not in the mode of production, but in its relations. The top-down management of labour is permitted, so long as the social product has a greater share. This is also the point on commodity exchange; we can say that a product is made as a commodity, but it can only become a commodity in its mode of exchange, and so commodity production is entirely contingent to production as such, and only an accident of exchange:
<Lastly nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
<A commodity proves that it is a commodity in exchange.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/1868-syn/ch01.htm
Thus, Robinson Crusoe makes no commodities, although he labours (in other words, the commodity is not produced, it is circulated, as a social abstraction; i.e. "value"). Marx thought he could establish a world communist revolution in the 19th century, and so capitalism is not determined by technical knowlePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2816155
>I simply don't care about a rational "justification" for communism
But this is the problem; if you support something, you must think it is good, that is, ethically correct - you cannot escape this. If something is good therefore, it is justified. So, if you hold a positive political position, you are inherently justifying it, otherwise, why promote it?
>I understand communism as simply proletarian struggle that taken to is logical conclusion does away with private property and the State, and I don't think the proletariat needs to justify anything to anyone (not even to themselves really).
Communism is not a proletarian movement, it is a priestly project of intellectuals. The proletariat lack any meaningful self-consciousness, and the communist has always found an astonishing frustration with the reactionary masses for these reasons, per Lenin:
<The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers, and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc. The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals. By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm
Thus, communism is a brain-child of the bourgeoisie!
>we are still animals at the end of the day
Animals are often more rational than human beings. It just sounds like you are being wilfully ignorant to avoid ethical responsibility. Wash your penis.

>>2816148
>It clearly is
no they are wrong on purpose. the insistence on this framing is political

>>2814748
depends on whether milk suppliers are overproducing and milk processors are meeting demand accurately, or whether milk suppliers are meeting demand accurately and milk processors are underproducing.

>>2814774
see engels on rodbertus >>2811930

>>2814774

Your framing is a bit weird because its treating final demand as if it counts for all stages of production. But demand for raw milk comes from milk processing & the latter's demand comes from final consumption. This is how it is dealt with in standard neoclassical as well, so this is even stranger if you acting as a higher level pro-capitalist troll.

In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.

Therefore, assuming your example takes place under conditions of that kind of basic socialism, its highly likely that milk production capacity was expanded before milk processing capacity (maybe wrongly? processing & transit should usually be setup before production to reduce initial waste, unless some large initial buffer stocks are needed)

This is especially so because cows/sheep/etc. are a form of capital stock and therefore capacity, and it makes little sense if processing capacity & output was meeting final demand to already have had oversupply of milk sheep/cattle/etc.

>>2814985
>In the USSR they used material balances to make sure that the outputs of an upstream sector matched the inputs of a downstream sector the other.
In traffic engineering they do this to anticipate saturation between adjacent intersections.

>>2811601
>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive
I've pointed out similar things and retard lolberatarians actually use that as an opportunity to say "well this proves the labor theory of value wrong" as if it were a labor theory of compensation LMFAO

The Paul Cockshott Show

>>2815564
Thank you comrade :)

alas, the era of the shockjock taking calls on the radio is over.
I was surprised to see the zionists at h3 do it.

I personally enjoy the call-in culture of the olden days of radio, some of my favorite bits come from call-ins.
I can see this as a niche hole in a niche market that I would enjoy, but can't see ever really being a thing.

the adam friedland show

>>2815592
Hm. True. And leftists do tend to be a lot more insular (with Patreon as a main mechanism) nowadays. I might have to shill money on various Youtuber patreons to assist in my goal of ending echo-chambers…

>>2815147
> I'm Spanish
kys

while i think their methods were always dumb they made sense during francism, today bsaque nationalism is retarded and petit bourgeois

>>2815147
Justified, shame they resigned.
The Francoist regime was actively trying to destroy the Basque people, erase their language and culture, children were beaten for speaking Basque.
When the King came back, he was chosen by Franco, he tried to coup against the liberals until he backed down.
Nothing had really changed for the Basque, the Spanish funded fascist paramillitaries to again, continue the basque oppression. To this day the spanish continue to rape and torture Basque activists, see Iratxe Sorzabal

>>2815317
I think the reason some people still support them these days is because the reactionaries are butthurt over ETA, so if they hate ETA, I have to defend it type mindset

also Guardia Civil guys are all reactionary bastards, much more than the normal police

Literal CIA