/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2835182
Juche is an idea whose time has come. OP should investigate this dih instead of concern trolling on behalf of the American Empire.

Long live the Democratic People's Republic of Korea!!!

op is a jewish nigger

Bookchin is a pseud tier retard that was glad societ kids died remember.

Bookchin is Mamdanite-Rojavite garbage. It is fanfic for the lust of left-imperialists.

>>2832611
Marx supported manifest destiny. I don't think that invalidates everything he said.

>>2832721
Manifest destinybwas correct and revolutionary

I find libertarian municipalism necessary in a communist/anarcho-communist society. Anarchists usually don't specify how we will organize society, and libertarian municipalism offers a good guide imo.

>>2835001
It was started by a known pedophile (litterally wrote a book called, the under fifteen) called Gabriel Matzneff.

>>2833934
Based and breadpilled petition made by the greatest Frenchmen of all time, all of whom have accomplished more than everyone here on this board.

Sartre and Foucault have overthrown modernism and create a new intellectual tradition out of it. WTF has anyone accomplished here besides bitching over their betters? Grow up.

>>2833973
Tbh mass immigration from Algeria preceded the Algerian war of independence, so de Gaulle was merely continuing his predecessors’ policies tbh. Read: https://archives.history.ac.uk/history-in-focus/Migration/articles/house.html

>>2833961
Which makes Gisele Pelicot’s case weird, since you’d expect the French to side with her husband as opposed to be like Americans in that controversy. Really weird turn of events that one.

>>2834048
Stop spreading disinformation. Foucault never raped anyone, there’s no record of that. Plus all the allegations come from Guy Sorman, whose contradictory claims led him to being questioned: https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/idees-et-debats/michel-foucault-et-la-pedophilie-enquete-sur-un-emballement-mediatique_2148517.html

So take the claims with a grain of salt. And even the allegations take at face value are themselves are relatively innocuous as they don’t involve gore or torture, just a white dude with BWC paying some Arab moids below the magic age line to do some hanky panky. You’d have to be a homophobe to think this is worst than the Holocaust.
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>you must answer for bourgeois academics from 50 years ago who you are not associated with because glowiepedia calls them left
stupid thread

>>2835067
>It was a troll, but with gay liberation in mind, considering how France constrained homosexuals’ freedom of expression with various moralistic statutes.
yeah i had no idea. makes sense since they are french i just really wanted to assume they didnt want to actually fuck kids or at the very least that the co-signers didnt find it socially acceptable. euros in general are like that tho
>>2835008
>Gabriel Matzneff.
literally never heard this in all the years of this going around

>>2835080
Only came out he wrote it in 2013

The UN is irrelevant

been MOSTLY captured by imperialists and pedos since atleast the 50s (korean war)

Could be good but is bad, mostly useless.

They spread cholera in Haiti and raped a lot of women and girls after the earthquake

>>2834416
>How did Yugoslavia’s economic model work?
Companies were all co-ops but were ran as private for-profit businesses, with the Party having strategic ownership of the financial heights of the country

>this seems to be closer to Marx and Engels’ vision of what a socialist state would look like
Yes and no. The problem of the yugoslavian economic model is that it essentially pushed for the co-ops to be for-profit ventures. As such, the actually collective ownership of the structures was limited in practice given that the collective simply could not voice itself as the ownership status was essentially left to the employees.
By this, I mean that a city for instance could not decide upon how the co-ops should be ran, on what they should invest etc. Meaning that you saw a lot of small-scale enterprise pop up without any kind of collective decision over them.
That said, they were probably closer in spirit to Marx's vision of the dictatorship of the proletariat in its earliest stages, when the means of production are seized. It just happened however that it got stuck at that stage and never set about collective ownership beyond co-op structure. The Commune, that Engels described as an example of the dictatorship of the proletariat, did have a similar system, but the DoTP is a transitional state that Yugoslavia never moved on from.
This is what Marx had to say about co-ops in volume III of the Capital :
<"The co-operative factories of the labourers themselves represent within the old form the first sprouts of the new, although they naturally reproduce, and must reproduce, everywhere in their actual organisation all the shortcomings of the prevailing system."

>and it certainly seems to have worked better than the old Soviet model
It didn't work better. If your standard is accesibility to goods, then sure it did provide better and more adequate goods than the eastern block. However, if your criteria is employment or work guarantee, then no the Soviet model worked better as there were persistent work shortages, especially in the southern republics.
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>>2834938
>but he never specified a precise model for that
I already posted several passages from the works of Marx and Engels specifically citing state ownership as the model they were envisioning.
>There's no way to know if he intended on having something closer to Yugoslavian model
Yes there is, since the Yugoslavian model didn't even do away with private property, the abolition of which Engels describes as "the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution." It's true that Marx and Engels left many things up to future generations of revolutionaries to figure out, and it's true that their whole method of analysis inherently precludes creating overly rigid models that should be treated as gospel or blueprints. The left open many questions such as precise models of management, remuneration schemes, how the transition to socialism would be executed, the precise means by which an economy would be planned, etc. However at the same time they are very clear about what the basic socialist relations of prodiction would need to look like in order to address the problems caused by capitalism. These are the elimination of private property, anarchy of production, wage slavery, and generalized commodity production, and their replacement with the ownership and operation of all means of production by society as a whole, specifically through a proletarian state. Yugoslavia's economy retained three out of four of the capitalist features I described. Only wage slavery was done away with. I'm not trying to shit on the SFRY too much. They did a lot of good things and I think their market socialist model could be a valid tool in socialist construction, but in and of itself it falls far short of Marxist socialism. The Soviet model was objectively closer to what Marx and Engels had in mind.

>>2834478
best answer itt. i do think its true that marx/engels were much more open to cooperative enterprise as a transitionary phase than theyre normally credited with, as indicated by commentary on paris commune and a few others texts, but ultimately i dont think it makes sense to assign them any definitive position on the details of economic arrangement taken up by a dictatorship of the proletariat, since the entire reason they avoided making "utopians" claims about future socialism is because that would have to be worked out by a dictatorship of the proletariat under its own circumstances with an unpredictable range of variables

in either case tho that means its futile to say x or y was more or less of what marx/engels proposed, because they didnt propose much specifically in this regard. the only thing that is abundantly clear is they thought the vast majority of political power needed to belong to the proletariat, who exercises that political power to reorient production towards need and away from exchange.

so if we want to do this kind of argument over 20th century socialism fidelity to the expectations of marx/engels, its probably more worthwhile to look at the extent to which the proletariat as a class was invested with and able to assert political influence

>>2834938
also a good answer, didnt see this one

>>2834948
>state ownership as the model they were envisioning
State-ownership doesn't really mean anything in-and-of itself. Should a SOE work like it did under a bourgeois state ? Should it be ran like a co-op albeit with nominal state-ownership to interfere if needed ? Should it be communal like anarchists propose ?
There's not definite way to interpret what they meant because as you say yourself Marx and Engels left no definite policy brief on how the means of production should be ran

>These are the elimination of private property, anarchy of production, wage slavery, and generalized commodity production
Yugoslavia didn't have private property. Its co-ops were nominally "social enterprise" where neither the worker or the state had formal ownership in the capitalist sense of the enterprise. The workers could not "sell" their membership, and the state could not impose the workers to produce XYZ. The property structure was akin to councils.
Similarly, Yugoslavia maintained a form of indicative planning throughout its existence. The state had control over the financial heights of the economy and tried to steer the economy in a general direction. To this end, there was a "plan" that was elaborated on each level by having delegates mobilized to seek out which priorities should be handled first and foremost through investments and fiscal policies. These delegates would then report to a municipal level, and then on a regional level etc.

Now, you can argue that this does not constitute an effective form of planning, nor that the "social enterprise" was actually a council-property system. However, any claim in doing so will result in an attempt from your end to interpret Marx's word with a preexisting image of how an enterprise should be ran.

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>>2832705
Mongols continued the slave trade and enslaved even more people doebeit

>>2833375
Stalin allied with the US and two worst colonial empires in history

>>2834675
Stalin was attacked, the Ottomans joined a pointless war and destroyed their empire.

>>2833369
the vast majority of peasant revolts ended unsuccessfully and nobody learned anything. even the most famous ones like wat tyler were incredibly stupid because they were based on the idea that the king had a good soul and merely bad advisers, and that if he would just listen to the peasants he would joint them. it's kind of wild because it's the opposite problem we have today. today we have people who read every revolutionary text but then do nothing. back then we have people who will kill or die for change, but have very naive ideas.

The theory of Just War is a concept of defensive warfare rather than offensive warfare. The idea has been abused today to justify pre-eminent aggression for the sake of quelling later distress. The theory of natural right of course plays a part, where the cause of rebellion is in preserving the rights inherent in oneself, and since antiquity, slavery has been justified by the cowardice of prisoners of war, who willingly forfeit their natural rights in return of life. This common sense is still present in Locke and Rousseau into the modern period. So then, all men assert their rights in defense, and are justified on that basis, while surrender is the admission of one's lack of natural rights, and therefore have no rule over themselves. Slave rebellions then (such as the Third Servile War, 73-71 BCE) in which Spartacus becomes a legendary figure, display the affirmative humanity of the bound (e.g. your rights cannot be granted, but only fought for). A foundational class war central to the Roman Republic was the Struggle of the Orders, beginning in 500 BCE, between patricians and plebs, and creating such codefied laws as the Twelve Tables (450 BCE) which formalised existing common law. Here, law becomes a constitutional instrument of respecting rights. Aristotle in his account of Athens writes on the reign of Solon (590 BCE) who mediated between the pre-established laws of Draco (which gave supremacy to the strong and wealthy) and the masses, who were largely made debt slaves. Solon repealed the laws and also cancelled all public and private debts (Seisachtheia), codefying a new constitution of class harmony, borne from rebellion. Nonetheless, neither the rich or poor were satisfied, and so Solon exiled himself. Here, class war brings legal re-constitution, such as we see in later revolutionary periods, such as England (1653-88), France (1789) and the USA (1776-1865). We see from myth, the Trojan War, which has its complications, since Paris stole Helen from Menelaus, urging the conflict from an original infringement, yet the Greeks hired many mercenaries to loot Troy of its treasures. In the end, a pact of peace is met between Achilles and Priam, and so perhaps the resolution of conflict by a truce or compromise also serves as a justice of its own, like Solon, though people may grow weary of peace and desire more for themselves, respectively. We see then that justice in conflict must be based in a protection of one's rights, and so the aggressor against righPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Intense activity on the Damascus-Rojava front: Integration, job offers, and returns are on the table.
During meetings held in Damascus on April 16, Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) Commander Mazlum Abdi, Autonomous Administration Foreign Relations Officer Ilham Ahmed, Interim Government Head Ahmed Shara, Foreign Minister Asad Sheibani, and Presidential Advisor Ziyad al-Aish came together.
The meeting addressed key political and security issues in Syria, the advancement of the integration process, and the timeline for the implementation of necessary measures. It was noted that the parties conducted a comprehensive and detailed assessment, particularly regarding the implementation of the military, administrative, and political arrangements defined within the framework of the January 29th Agreement.
The main focus of the meeting was on the topics discussed in Damascus, the stage of the integration process, the steps that need to be taken along the Rojava-Damascus line, and how the situation on the ground is developing.

According to information we received from local sources, the question Ahmed Shara posed to Mazlum Abdi during their meeting – "When are you coming to Damascus?" – is noteworthy. In the past, it was known that Mazlum Abdi had stated, "Instead of a presidential election, I will be among my people and involved in national unity efforts." However, as this meeting indicates, Ahmed Shara considers Mazlum Abdi's involvement in Damascus a vital and unavoidable step. Abdi's move to Damascus, whether as vice president or in another capacity, is seen as critical for the implementation of the January 29th Agreement and for the resolution of political issues in Syria through coordination between the SDF and Damascus.

<THE GOVERNANCE OF A SHARED SYRIAN INTEGRITY IS BEING DISCUSSED.
There is a topic that came up between the SDF and Damascus even before the April 16 meeting. According to local sources, Damascus had conveyed to SDF-Autonomous Administration officials in previous meetings a request for an individual who could serve in the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Although there has been no official statement from the Syrian Interim Government on this matter, it is clear that this is a topic related to the integration process.

<INTERIM FORMULA FOR YPJ
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May Day statement in Kobanê.
The Democratic Society Movement (TEV-DEM) and the Kobanê Workers' Union held a joint press conference on the occasion of May 1st, International Workers' Day. The statement, delivered by Kobanê Workers' Union Co-Chair Mihemed Derwîş and Democratic Union Party (PYD) Women's Council Member Bedîa Miho, celebrated the holiday of the entire working class, especially the workers of Kobanê who contribute to the construction of a developed society, and who never shy away from fulfilling their duties with loyalty and selflessness and facing challenges under all circumstances.

The statement, which commemorated those who have fought for social justice, freedom, and dignity throughout history, said: “The workers' struggle in Syria, and especially in Rojava, is also a complex process due to Türkiye's attacks on infrastructure, ISIS's attack on Kobanê, and the sieges. In such processes, workers have faced harsh conditions such as attacks targeting their rights to life and work, murders, sieges, hunger, displacement policies, economic restrictions, widespread unemployment, injustice, and exploitation.”

In a statement expressing continued support for workers on the occasion of Labor Day, it was stated that the struggle would ensure the protection of workers and their families and strengthen the principles of social justice, and the following statements were included: “Organization and struggle are the only way to eliminate betrayal, exploitation, and social injustice. The only weapon of all workers is solidarity. We salute the resistance of the working class and emphasize that workers' rights are not a right granted by fate, but indisputable legal and ethical rights.”

The statement, which expressed wishes for security, stability, and a dignified life for all peoples throughout Syria and Rojava, included the following call: “We call on all the children of the Syrian people to see this day as an opportunity for unity and solidarity, to reject hate and hostility, and to thwart the conspiracies of those who seek to use the blood of the Syrian people for their own interests. Let us work together to build a democratic, pluralistic, and decentralized Syria where a dignified and free life is possible for all, and to strengthen the collaborative roles of Syrian and Kurdish women in production and resistance.”

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>>2748047
That wasn't in Damascus.

Sipan Hamo: From PKK Cadre to Deputy Minister of Defense for Eastern Syria
Sipan Hamo is a prominent Syrian Kurdish military commander who, in March 2026, assumed the post of Deputy Minister of Defense for the Eastern Region. His appointment represents a pivotal milestone in the historic process of integrating the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) into the institutions of the Syrian state following the political transition in Damascus. Over more than three decades, Hamo’s career has mirrored the shifting alliances, conflicts, and geopolitical complexities that have shaped modern Syria.

<Origins and Early Militancy
Born Samir Aso in Afrin, Hamo began his political and military trajectory in 1994 when he joined the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). He spent his formative years in the PKK’s military structure, receiving training in the group’s camps in the Qandil Mountains of northern Iraq. During this period, he used several noms de guerre, including “Darwish Afrin” and “Swar,” before adopting the name Sipan Hamo. His long association with the PKK has remained a central point of contention, particularly for Turkey, which designates the PKK as a terrorist organization.

<Founding the YPG and Ascendancy within the SDF
With the outbreak of the Syrian uprising in 2011, Hamo returned to Syria and became one of the principal founders of the People’s Protection Units (YPG). He rose to the position of Commander-in-Chief, overseeing the group’s evolution from a localized militia into a disciplined and effective fighting force.

When the YPG became the backbone of the US-supported Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in 2015, Hamo secured a seat on the SDF General Command. He gained international recognition for his leadership in the campaign against ISIS, particularly during the decisive Battle of Kobani (2014–2015). Following the collapse of the ISIS caliphate, forces under his command expanded their control across much of Syria’s northeast, including large areas of Hassakeh, Raqqa, and Deir ez-Zor.
Controversies and Human Rights Allegations

Hamo’s rise was accompanied by significant controversy. Human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch, documented allegations against the YPG during its territorial expansion. These reports cited forced displacement of Arab and Turkmen residents in areas such as Tell Abyad, the dePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Protests are spreading in Syria.
Workers at the Zenubia ceramics company in rural Damascus staged a protest and went on strike. The workers are demanding improved working conditions and increased wages.

In addition, workers at the Medar factory in El Keswa, a town in rural Damascus, also held a protest demanding a wage increase. The workers stated that their current salaries are no longer sufficient to make ends meet and that they cannot sustain their lives.

In northern and eastern Syria, residents of Til Berak, Hol, and Shaddadi towns in Hasakah province, as well as people in Raqqa province, participated in the protests. The demonstrations demanded the provision of basic services and the resolution of economic problems.
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-surIye/suriye-de-protestolar-yayiliyor-229697

people will complain that movies no longer feature regular looking people and all actors are supermodels, then when regular looking people are added they complain that there are no supermodels

you can never please the outrage crowd

>>2834705
I buy my game based on gameplay I enjoy, not culture war shit

There's a case to be made that the rise of a technocratic managerial class in Yugoslavia, from late 60s onwards, essentially spelled out the doom for self-managed socialism and federalism. As the "old guard" died off, newly trained managerial class was the driving force that hacked away at the socialist policies and entrenched the regional federal bureaucracies (contrary to the Republican institutions), pawing the way for a civil war that was to come.
Almost all leaders of the 90s, both "conservative" (Milošević, Tuđman… etc.) and "progressive" (Marković) were born out of, or widely supported by, the professional managerial class that ossified in the upper echelons during the 80s.

I'm not saying one historical example necessitates that managerialism is functionally a collective suicide cult, but I'm personally inclined to say it's a suicide cult.

except the bourgeois are agaisnt a rationally managed government, otherwise literally every country on earth would be a social democracy, which is the most rational and efficient way to organise capitalisn. theyd rather cannibalise the nation to make a few quick bucks.

>>2834629
Yeah, if it's just about speeding up already scheduled executions by bypassing the lack of availability of execution drugs, that could result in things speeding up, but not much since a lot of those people get years and years of appeals before an execution date, which is a much bigger factor than the method of execution. It also means only already scheduled executions would be carried out, which is not enough to make any difference in the incarceration rate in the first place.

Also, bring shot in the head might in fact be more pleasant than getting killed by that drug cocktail, because it's been shown that some people are still very awake and and aware by the time the potassium injection (painful) hits you. I don't know how quick a death by firing squad would actually be, though.

>solving crime is le bad
>we should do nothing about the thousands raped and murdered
>it's actually capitalism making them do that, ignore the 98% of workers who never commit crimes
>noooo don't put rapists and murderers in prison, if you actually solve problems no one will care about us leftists

Do leftiggers really?

>>2834667
Ok! let's start it off with the Chomo-in-Chief, faggot. :^)

>>2834667
I'm am all for putting you retards into gulags and reeducation camps tho. Maybe after a few years you'll learn to stop worshiping pedo billionaires.

>>2793492
We already have a containment thread for this.
>>2833260