/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Can an actual Pannekoekist on this board give me a crash course on CouncilCom please?

>>2566699
>Anarcho-Synndicaliam
Proto fascism

>>>What do we think of

USSR: (max) 75 years
Anarchism: (max) 5 years.

lmao, etc.

Go kys anarchos

>>2575998
>anarchism isn't an active movement
yet rojava, and Zapatista remain.
>>2617067
So you know how Yugoslavia had worker self-management and managers were elected inside specfic industries? Or how in the early USSR local soviets held a lot of political power? Its like that but more democratic and they aren't appointed by the state, infact the state doesn't exist and instead its a series of soviets organizated amongst each other. Although it should be noted I probably need to read more from Pannekoek and im oversimplifing
>>2617107
More like only 6 years of the USSR ever actually served the interests of the working class, again if it isn't obvious the Vanguard became the new ruling class.

>>2631209
Central state*

Trump knows meek pink tiders or timid islamoids would never use nukes against their class anyway, can't bomb western cities without hitting fascists, CEOs and the stock market, big no no for social demoncrats.

>>2627783
keep coping yank you lost

>>2627783
trvke

>>2627908
Somewhat ahistorical. They didn't even run a nuclear test until the 2000s. Sure they built breeder reactors

>>2627907
>Why did they prop up Syngman Rhee, fuck with elections, and commit the No Gun Ri massacre? Vibes? fun? Practice?
Second military vassal to threaten China and Soviets with.

>>2627674
how is OP wrong though

>1928-9 USSR: Great Break, sudden annihilation of kulaks as a class, 'Second October'


What is the lesson? It is that althrough threats of overthrow created by new class of capitalists and 'nepmen' is real, as long as the Communist Party holds power, it is POLITICALLY SOCIALIST. People who harp about PRC and claim it is not socialist do not understand Lenin made concessions and retreats that were not any less than those made by Deng Xiaoping. 'China has stock markets/wage labor/value form' whatever shit raised by fake marxists who not only dispute economical but also political form are going against Lenin.

>>2630912
You are right but this has been settled so many times now it was hardly worth a new thread. See >>2628979

Another bourgie Dengist historical revisionism thread, eh? Let's contradict that!

<Lenin:
a. How long did the NEP last?
b. What did Lenin say about the burgeoning bureaucracy and about it wielding something?
<Mao:
a. While the CPC under Mao's leadership (the pupils of the just successful anti-fascist USSR, collectivized, industrialized, centrally planned, before supercomputers) focused on both social and material conditions, what did Mao think Deng's perspective lacked and the consequences of downplaying one?
b. According to the CPC during 1950s-to-1960s, what are the adverse consequences to socialist internationalism by adopting a rightist and social-imperialist line, first emerging in the CPSU with Khrushchev's clique, then also being struggled against in the PRC?
c. Why was the Cultural Revolution started?
d. What are some of Mao's final statements on Deng near the end of Mao's life?
e. What differentiates Chinese foreign policy from the 50s to mid 70s vs late 70s to today?

Bonus
<Xi:
a. If the CPC several years under the leadership of Xi Jinping in 2017 tried to strip the DPRK of its main method of defending itself, nuclear armaments, in chorus with the G7/NATO imperialists; what in US-China relations changed in 2018 that made China less interested? And does that reflect a deeply set bourgeois (profit motive, competing capitals) vs proletarian (revolutionary, socialist) internationalism guiding their overall strategy?

>>2631215
> What are some of Mao's final statements on Deng near the end of Mao's life?
Mao was senile, and Deng tricked the yanks into giving up the productive forces. Had Deng lost, China would have continued to make the same ultra left mistakes of some of the GPCR and been CIA couped unceremoniously in the 80s and become something like the Russian federation instead of what it is today.

>>2631314
>Mao was senile
The adhom/distraction always used to not study a crucial part of the materialist history of socialism in the world-historical Chinese revolution; the Cultural Revolution.
Let me guess, the Deepseek and Qwen content blocks prevented you from giving an answer?
>Deng tricked the yanks into giving up the productive forces
Sorry anon but transnational capital actually owns and controls their corporations on Chinese soil. They also have made immense profits from the rightist CPC traitors prostituting the Chinese proletariat. Clearly you thought differently, that the PRC was a planned economy, like DPRK. That's false.
>Had Deng lost [alternative history]
Irrelevant and embarrassing.

0/8: You have failed the basic test of historical materialism and are wholly ineligible for Party work.

female stalin so baddd bro

>>2631003
ong stalina crush my balls

>>2630628
yes Made in Abyss is for people with bad taste

>>2630555
i'm just noticing

>>2630646
>>I misunderstood
you still dont understand what "slop" means lmfao im sorry its not just when you dont like something

>>2631007
nta.
someone made a real definition of the word ? I thought it was just about vibes

>>2588624

you are correct.

But I also heard that in the former Eastern Bloc it was felt that improving the state into perfection was the path towards communism. In my view that seems totalitarian.

>>2588540
Yes but unironically. Nazism needs to be eradicated on a genetic level.

>>2588642

It is indeed totalitarian conceptually.

For a Proletarian Dictatorship to truly triumph, it must come to encompass all of society; Nothing must be outside it or against it.

And it is by this process, as OP hinted at, that the state itself, defined in the Marxist sense as the instrument of class power itself can wither away.

The yet harder pill to swallow is that any totalitarian state almost also itself come to resemble something close to Proletarian Dictatorship. That is to say class collaborationism will never actually achieve what the corporatists say they want it to achieve (comprehensive social harmony analogous to a healthy body); Only something resembling the Dictatorship of the Proletariat can ever hope to lead to anything close to such an outcome.

anarchism was an antisemitic mistake

>>2588516
this doesnt make sense

>>2629897
I am taking precautions against the infiltration of MMT into socialist circles and the damage this could cause by bringing confusion and possible co-optation. I am not against the use of state capitalism as long as it is a weapon of class struggle to bankrupt the capitalists so that the economy can be nationalized and socialized.

>>2625179
britbong brainrot i forgot about this slop

>>2628841
no one here said money creates value. the claim was that issuing new credit money doesn't inherently lower the exchange value of the currency relative to all other commodities (inflation).

>>2628688
>Seems based. From what I've read, it's essentially delegating private enterprise's roles to public ones, aswell as highly redistributive policies alongside maoist culture & tightening security. It seems a lot like Singaporean model, minus the maoist cultural aspect, where the city essentially owns housing, transit, infrastructure etc but allows for unregulated markets where it doesn't impact their citizens.
Alright cool.

>Deficit spending isn't an issue as long as your economy can produce more goods than their is money in circulation. In MMT, inflation occurs when aggregate spending (especially by the government) exceeds the economy’s productive capacity. So, as long as you have productive structures yielding good results, deficits (& inflation really) aren't a big problem.
I find MMT _very_ confusing. To my understanding more money in circulation representing the same (or slightly more) labor time would result in inflation. The Philips curve and NAIRU (or equivalently the necessity of a surplus army of labor) implies that a little inflation is a good thing. And it's especially good if employment drops like in a recession once again because of the Philips curve. But this is besides the point. Just from a labor perspective (and this is the most important perspective), sticky wages imply that you wouldn't want more inflation than necessary to secure employment.

But even besides this I simply don't know if it was in fact true that the Chongqing model utilized excessive deficit spending or not; I heard there were many attempts to slander the model after the murder trial, and it's hard to find data on other than perhaps the wsj article linked in OP which showed total dept within the whole province going from 100% of GDP to 125% over the five years. I was also curious if there was any influence on Xi from this model - which seemed so beneficial.

(Sorry the OP is so terribly written also, pure brainslop composition.)

If you’re referring to Haz and Hinkle, they’re just going to act shocked that this happened and never own up to it. They did the same with Gaza.

>>2630576
do we have any metrics to monitor the status of the grift? rate of profit?

>>2630576
They are not shocked at all and have been consistently anti-Trump all year. They have been against the ICE raids. They have been against South Africa white genocide claim. The list goes on. The only thing is negotiations with Russia over Ukraine and annexation of Canada. Its like you guys are stuck in 2022 a lot of the time and not seen their recent takes

>>2630650
>They are not shocked at all and have been consistently anti-Trump all year.
>all year.
it's only 6 days in. but if you mean last year…

>>2630650
>They are not shocked at all and have been consistently anti-Trump all year.
Why are you lying?

>>2630385
Confidence

>>2630146
>workerist
we prefer the term 'communist', anarcho-lumpen

>>2630451
>40 year old NEET who has not worked his entire life
<just be confident bro
LMAO you dont even understand how over it is for them.

Why do I feel that everytime there is some kind of trend or mentality about some Chinese kids it's blown up in the West as some "social and cultural phenomenon" (mostly a negative habit or something), given a fancy name, so that all the Western "China experts" can drop it all the time and seem like they have some deep cultural insight.

Everything can't grow for forever, it will decay, either tragically or joyously.
The way I have understood after reading Deleuze, to live you need to spread yourself, those parts of you can be totally different but will carry your remittance.

>>2620947
Happy new year comrade

Maduro getting captured and Venezuela collapse in the first week of 2026 shows this will be a Rollercoaster year

>>2624986
>>2614541
Nothing happened and nothing will happen.

Things get much worse despite massive televised pleas and calls for sympthy and change. More TV violence. A big leader gets assimilated, nukes get fired.

You heard it here first.

>>2616814
A lot of (young?) people are going to be down in the dumps and money makers are going to make money off the goth aesthetic + ppl get some catharsis over being gloomy and doomer ala Greek tragedies. Maybe have that sexy vampire theme to get those young tortured souls making love or babies so they got something else to live for.