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Epstein and Maxwell manipulated 4chan and Reddit respectively in order to fuel both sides of the "culture wars". Now they're fueling it once again in order to distract from the revelations that were in the files.
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>>2746684
That would be correct if yhey followed it to it's debord-ian conclusion : punish that 1% as a sacrificial lamb to appease the people.
But no, what they're showing is resignation : "what are you gonna do about it ?"
In that sense it does not actually do that at all, it just shows how the entire class is united together and thus can only recieve collective punishment

>>2684321
Yucky. But it is to be expected from celebrities.

>>2684644
/pol/ seethe fuels me
you are cattle for the elites

>>2746879

they are literally worse than redditors. At least redditors DID something by arming themselves and going to Ukkkraine. I don't support the decision but the closest /pol/ has ever gotten to battle is by being school shooters. pathetic

>>2746684
>>2746854
It may not have been a good slogan but at least it was better than "Check your privilege", "Read Settlers" and all the other CONINTELPRO bullshit that literally came from Wall Street.
>>2747454
>they are literally worse than redditors. At least redditors DID something by arming themselves and going to Ukkkraine. I don't support the decision but the closest /pol/ has ever gotten to battle is by being school shooters.
Fascists only ever go after the weak, that's why they're into mass shootings at schools, supermarkets and houses of worship. The only thing they're good for is death squads because a real military unit would utterly flatten them.


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the cuban flotilla is being run by the PSL but they aren't using the PSL to push the flotilla because everyone with half a brain knows by now that the PSL has a history of sexually assaulting cadre across multiple branches, so they are using other orgs they run like code pink to do the promotion and optics of the flotilla

the flotilla, much like the PSL and the rest of these astroturfing organizations like Veterans for Peace or Code Pink are funded primarily by this billionaire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham

I would be highly suspect of any content creator or activist who joins the flotilla. The PSL is one of the biggest obstacles for a revolutionary American left to overcome.
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No the flotilla is run by The Progressive International you yankeebrained dumbcunt not everything is about random sects in your fetid crackkker entity.

>>2747991
You should be highly suspicious of any "content creators" because they're all egotestical pedophiles.
Nonetheless, in that case, even if it's a PR stunt, they help the people of Cuba a bit, there is worse in the world. Can't think the activists who join it are bad people, probably just want to help

>>2747991
OP is a glowuyghur.

>>2748500
Amerikans always make the siege of cubans about themselves. Cpusa was doing this when they said cuba has life saving treatments that amerikans can use. Cuba has cure to diabetes https://www.cpusa.org/article/lifting-blockade-on-cuba-will-bring-life-saving-treatments-to-u-s-shores/

I follow China’s policy of doing nothing and winning. I’m spreading socialism by not joining a union, voting, organizing, spreading socialist ideas. So do nothing and socialism will win by its own ontological momentum and epistemological inevitability.


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what if thay give to power to the people helped start workers co-ops and killed any one that violates the nonaggression perincebal will be killed in the name of revenge witch is justice by the people by createing the cult of the self where everyone is the god of them selfs and self ownership is the law so that people are free and concent is king and people from unions of egoists where that trun there sosidty in to a contract blunt gritty and out in the open(low effort)

the Founding Fathers were slaver aristocrat scumbags who should have been lynched

If was a hypothetical that instead of being reeblicns thay
Where individual anarchists that either freed their slaves or got killed


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>Previous Bake
>>2745604

<Hide the Coffins Hide the Cameras Edition

This cringefest started for real this time on February 28
Fizzlers are on ackwatch

Latest News:
>F-35 ack'd by Iran
<Trump is hiding the coffins
>Bibi AI clone is in damage control mode
<Iran is increasing drone/missile strikes
>Oil rising except brent and WTI because logistics or something
<RT journo almost killed on purpose by JDAM
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>>2747963
>barbarians were
yes dialectics means repetition of core principles at a higher stage. aufheben = uplift and preserve not identicle repeat of historic events

>>2747948
no it is true. state is an organ for class rule proletarian republic is a transition when capitalism still exists globally. full communism is global, and stateless, abolition of classes precludes the existence of the state as such

>>2747945
>states also rely on the existence of capitalism
Capitalism only can exist within a state. It's the other way around. States exist since antiquity and are difficult to remove.

>>2747904
>wait i thought you liked him? are you also the person who cried about him all the time before tripfagging?
I have a love/hate relationship with Martyanov. I will never forgive him for calling Shoigu's firing as a "promotion". He was replaced by Belousov and given a position that is entirely dependent on informal connection which he is lacking therefore he was demoted. I agree with Martyanov's CV early life meme but I think he too has his blinders on.

>>2747680
>class war and history are (for now) the same thing
NTA but I've never understood this notion. marx says the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle. he said that because class struggle happens in all societies, because all societies so far are class societies. the part I have trouble with is the "history" part. History as an actual academic practice has actually notoriously been an enterprise of the privileged elites, the literate, the wealthy, and so the practitioners of history have actually been very good at covering up class war, and presenting history as a mere chronology of the deeds of wealthy, powerful, gifted, and famous individuals, and of "epic" events like wars and famines.


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Capitalism can only end when profit is no longer the incentive and is rendered useless, that requires either resource depletion or a change of the MOP as to underminet he cost of labour and the need for employed labour.

Never in history has a mode of production been forcefully "fought" and replaced, there was no capitalist movement to end the feudal mode of production, nor for any in the history of civilization. Communism is a bourgeois movement that postures as the real process of change, when change can only come when the mode of production runs its course.

There is only one thing that people who want change can do - they can wait.

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>>2721198
Who wrote about abolishing the feudal mode of production 200 years prior to industrialization? Thats what we're at with Marx, and 200 years later it is still the capitalist mode of production. Where were their analyists? Where were their great men? Which was the great capitalist nation that fell during feudalism only for capitalism to come to be later? What was their USSR?

>>2721198
There was no capitalist movement during feudalism, it all came to be after the industrial revolution, which was spontaneous as a result of random smart asses rediscovering the steam engine. The bourgeois didn't have to suffer like we did, they got it all handed to them right there and then.

>>2721229
>What was their USSR?
technically speaking the dutch republic, more accurately parliamentarian england during the civil war, for a good while afterward a large amount of reforms were placed in to reduce the growing tide of liberal capitalist reform, like in france, parts of germany, etc, it was only in the latter half of the 18th century that liberal capitalism started to be a real force

uygha they spent centuries theorizing liberalism before the feudal order actually fell wtf is everyone talking abt

>>2721230
>there was no capitalist movement
what was the enlightenment?

It was the liberal movement, it didnt call itself a "capitalist" movement


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>>2535127

So give the fact US invasion of Greenland went from provocative joke to a realistic possibility, what are the chances of European governments getting their shit together?
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The EU is just an international job program for us

>>2733931
made in abyss is garbage

>>2733931
AD5 competition. I applied for this too. No fucking clue why 80 thousand of 170 thousand applications are Italians

>>2747917
Also applied

>>2747920
Does practicing verbal reasoning tests makes you feel retarded? Because they make me feel retarded


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What are your thoughts on the RCP/RCA/RCI? They seem to be the only communist group that's actively trying to organize near me but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
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>>2726858
That's some cool surface level insight you have on the ACP. Completely unrelated to this thread though. Especially since the US Section of the RCI is even more of a laughing stock compared to it's european counterparts.

>>2726876
Which one? Can i read it online?

>>2727001
here's the website comrade
https://marxist.com/the-imt/international-marxist-tendency/the-imt.htm

>>2727001
dude ACP has absolutely no grounds to mock the RCI lol

>>2731342
Some Trots are alright. You guys have the best Newspaper where i live. The Tankies have one that is alright too but noone reads it.

>>2731834
Maybe not the RCI as a whole but the RCA are a complete joke.

recently some iranian immigrant joined the party and he had just immigranted 4 months ago
He instantly talked about overthrowing capitalism, not just sectors in it, but the whole.
So…….. is the guy a spy….?.?


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I make a living off daytrading stocks, I'm not a millionaire but I consider myself comfortable, I enjoy what I do and like the freedom it brings me but even then I understand it's parasitical and doesn't really provide any value to society, I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.

what will happen to people like me if the US empire falls? from what I understand the financial world is pure bullshit that syphons money from real industries through exploitation, tech, stocks, crypto, AI, it all depends on the ability of the empire to exploit the third world.

what happens when the exploitation stops and the world starts running on a real economy based on labour instead of speculation? do construcion workers get huge raises and people like me end up in the streets? can traders and speculators be useful in socialism?
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>>2729998
>daytrading
what's the start up cost and should I take a course or something like that first?

t. lazy pothead

>>2747595
its unironically gambling and that anon is more likely than not lying

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>>2747595
the startup cost is everything you have, eventually.

courses are scams. you don't need to pay someone else to teach you to yeet all your money into the ether. you can download robinhood and be down everything forever within the day. leverage it with loans (free money) and you can be a debt-slave for NOTHIN, not even a degree or new car or whatever the fuck people live to die for now.

"call put low high sell buy resist trend" - there's literally every course right there, print these words out, cut them up, shuffle them, and recite whatever combination comes up when you're confused. this is technical anylysis, it will banish the money demons confusing you. the only thing else you really need to know is to try to split your trade into as many trades as possible so that the amount that goes to fees is fucking insane, but that's only if you want to. the financiers need fed too, but it does look way cooler if you blow it all in one fucking go.

>>2747595
pay for a course, it will speed up your progress

>>2729998
>I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.
You are providing allocation mechanism for capital to grown large and fat.


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Going out on a real limb here and being genuine.
I've got a really long history I'm not gonna Dear Diary about, but I've been around a bit.
Even though I was part of various groups that are Alt-Right I have always had various Left-of-Center beliefs. I felt like I was the only one that understood the
>socialist
aspects of various camps for a while.
Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
>and I've been to prison so I have a wide berth of experience with shit people
and I want off the fucking ride.
I can't say I don't believe in some
>"Right-of-Center"
things and I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
I actually have read lots of Leftist literature like Marx and Engels and a few others. Maybe they aren't really
>Leftist
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>>2747495
It's more like I've been burned in my life enough relying on other people to not be foolish enough to keep doing so or signing on for something that just exploits me in the end and doesn't actually give a fuck about me.
>You cry about a lack of community and empathy
Because there isn't one? What am I supposed to do about that? You say I'm the narcissistic egocentric asshole, you been outside lately? I've seen plenty of Leftist frustrations with organizing, don't act like I'm the first person to discover this problem. I'm just dealing with it. I'm one person. Maybe I'll get proven wrong one day about the general state of things but I don't see any unity to be found much of anywhere. Late Stage Capitalism has done an absolute motherfucker on our collaborative capabilities - I can't deprogram everyone.

>>2747501
Frankly I'm starting to feel this way about Communists.
>fetishize a nonexistent past
Communist countries also often rewrite their own history to fit with a Marxist interpretation, so I'm really not sure how people choose to relate to and interpret their heritage in odd ways is uniquely a conservative thing.
>selling off everything and importing the globalized mercantilist culture
As someone with Jeffersonian, Agrarian and Anti-Federalist sentiments I really have seen and experienced this a lot and noticed it from a young age.

>>2747401

What is the alt-left? As in communists, the actual left, and not democrats?

Also, yeah. The ideas were created for you and you were propagandized to believe them. The only ideology is ruling class ideology and Epstein was a mover and shaker in that class, and created the alt-right movement wholecloth. He probably made sure it would be antisemitic to double down on the cognitive dissonance of the deplorable chud base of the alt-right.

>>2747674
>communists, the actual left, and not democrats?
Yes. But it sure seems like you guys are always ready to act for Democrats. To be fair, the Alt-Right has had the same problematic relationship with Republicans.
If you really actually think Epstein created the Alt-Right, wholecloth, you are a fool who wasn't there on the inside. But I have no interest in defending these people - it's not the purpose of my thread - but I will say the assertion is patently false.

>>2747626
>Progress is not always synonymous with improvement.
I never mentioned progress, I just said things change, this is inevitable, and between us I don't really believe there is such a thing as "progress" in the sense most leftists use it, but this doesn't mean holding to stuff from the old world that will inevitably stop existing makes sense, reactionaries think change is something thats being imposed to them from the outside when is actually just a consequences of our existence being inseparable from what we call time


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According to CNN (If you can trust them) only 38% of Americans support Trump, that is small compared to the majority but that still means that 129 Million people support Trump after everything. And I genuinely don’t know how, because there are many rich country-club republicans who support him and it makes sense for them by why rural Appalachian farmers support him?!?! And they don’t just support him, they would literally die for this man, they are hive-minded-cattle, many boomers literally don’t speak to their children who don’t support Trump. I don’t even think similar populist strong-men like Putin have supporters like this (Correct me if I’m wrong). Like maybe you could say that Mao, Castro, Tito, Nasser, or Kim Il-Sung had ride or die supporters like this but that makes sense because they improved the lives of their people, Trump has not improved the lives of the working people at all, like what does a rural, Appalachian, Gen X, farmer get out of supporting Trump? Trump just made this hypothetical person unable to go to a nearby hospital, unable to by affordable gas or fertilizer, and in his first term Trump killed his mom with Covid.
I know that many will reply “They’re stupid don’t try to dissect it” but I will anyways.
First of all for decades the Republican Party and even the Democratic Party has gutted education in order to make these people stupid.
Second of all whenever something is bad Trump gives them an explanation weather it be Brown people, trans people, or Chyna, it is bullshit but democrats which are the only other option and they don’t provide any explanation, and since they are uneducated and lack critical thinking skills they buy Trumps shit.
Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Fourth of all Trump is a Slopulist and he larps as Anti-Elitist during his elections by calling out lobbyists and industrial complexes but goes back on it when he is back in office.
Fifth of all, boomers are stuck-up and don’t want to admit when they have been bamboozled so they think that they have no choice but to keep supporting him.
Sixth of all, culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one everPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2740177
You are a dumb inbred redditor

>>2740328
mad

>>2740149
>Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Having this Deliverance-ass classist snobbery towards these kinds of people is pretty much the easiest big reason, first of all, why these people would rather die than be Left-wing. They care about their roots and have a deep pride in that. People talk about traumatic Small Town American culture and act like somehow we are worse than everyone else. Lmao, are you blind or sheltered?
Trump spoke to their needs, something Democrats haven't done. They've internalized that, economically, they're just in their own. Actual socialist policies that would've helped them have been totally delegitimized in their eyes. But these people are not stupid just because they don't look at life through your academic worldview.
>culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one ever wants to slap someone shit into these people.
The fact that the people who are overwhelmingly compared to Suburbia veterans with more experience with violence generally have not actually formed the Right-Wing Death Squads and made it impossible for you to ever leave the city limits in spite of the fact that, from their point of view, Leftists literally hate them because they exist (in essence) should say a lot more about the fact that they are capable of being respectful.
We didn't wake up one day in this political climate and the Right definitely didn't start it. It started with Democrats race-baiting, which created this blowback, which inevitably just serves to further undermine any attempt at getting these people even a smidgen of class consciousness.
How about this for a fucking start: quit looking down your nose at these people and understand them. Matter of fact just stay in your lane because you're just going to do more harm than good to those of us from these cultures who are trying to make any real change.
Once upon a time, Appalachia for example was literally forming guerilla bands to fight the fucking army over Coal Mines. Maybe ask what happened there, and then keep studying it from your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2740272
>hahaha Americans are all evil, everything about them is evil, they have no redeeming qualities what so ever, i'm gonna shit all over the father of their country
>why do Americans hate us and not want to entertain Leftism?
Jesus - at least the Alt-Right can understand why most Americans don't want to give credence to them, or could back when they still mattered. The lack of self awareness - whew, lad.

>>2740149
Euro-Americans are völkerabfälle, non-historic peoples and cannot seize power. Euro-America forms the cast-off ruins of European nations. However, by the nature of their struggles against oppression, the non-white American nations have formed historical nations. Urban Euro-America is being absorbed into the progressive non-white American nations at a much faster pace than the non-historical rural Euro-America. Urban America also has much more material options for women's independence.

It's a mistake to assume that non-historic peoples are always reactionary but in many situations and times they can become quite reactionary. Everything that Engels said about the Slavs really applies to Euro-America.


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