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Look, I used to be deep in the third internationale scene, councilcoms, leftcoms, NEP diehards, the whole united front of 3rd internationalist trash. Spent years on barricades in bavaria that went nowhere but to long jail terms and isolated comrades, who piss workers off.

Here's what nobody wants to say these movements don't actually want liberation. They want perpetual grievance. They'll talk about establishing a socialism in one country blah fucking blah but have you noticed how these never seems to include any plan for what happens after? How the only solution they offer is the destruction of the only social democracy in the region? Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would.

I'm just saying, i know the weimar regime is fucked, and yes social-democracy has a bad history, but ask yourself who benefits when the left fragments into a dozen purity spirals. Ask yourself why "build the productive forces" gets chanted louder than any concrete demand for soviet power or negotiated production. the third internationalists want open borders in the west but hard authoritarian borders in any region that acts as a hostile force to the west. Some of us are tired of romanticizing resistance that only ever produces more corpses and chauvinist nationalism.

you idiots want to come to terms with reality start by admitting your heroes are running a dangerous disgusting grift.

Yeah no shit lol. Career loonies love to go to normal one issue protests with a soviet flag making us all look stupid.

Just dumb it down, take the method of the right say shit like we will make sure you get more money, addressing climate change will make more jobs and more money. Take the slurs the capitalists use against migrants and use landlord specific slurs instead.

Keep it short and sweet no ten thousand hours of 19th century theory.

>>2839098
I know the post this is referencing lol

>Spent years on barricades in bavaria
>barricades
>in Bayern
Ahahahahaha, cool story bro
>Succdems bad, BUT…
>please don't support actual communists because they're losers i swear
>Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would
comedy gold

kys lib



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How do communists prevent capital flight? It seems like the capitalists will make the economy scream if you organize trade unions and put socialists in power. I suppose sanctions are a similar issue at a larger scale if you've smashed the state.
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>>2839422

literal Nazism.

>>2839369
Through incentives for foreign capital. They will not care if you give them good deal. and national capital cannot fly away because the conditions of profitability it's in the nation. If no revolution they prolly going to fund psyop, opposition, corruption, etc rather than just leave

>>2839431
4e you give them low taxes for 30 years plus other bonuses in exchange for local investment and local acquisition of shit and local funding of R&D and university and shit like that through a government promotion of some stupid bullshit

explain what you mean by prevention

>>2839422
Their argument was easier when property was mostly a physical thing, but the digitization of the economy has made this no longer the case; it's much harder to confiscate the latter than the former. Plus you have few options if your "skilled" labor force decides to emigrate (what are you going to do, create another iron curtain? Forget the impact on public opinion, it didn't work before and won't work now, but even if it did it would require a tiny country with a totalitarian regime like NK - aka not socialism at all, but Bonapartism), or when you need goods that require access to the international market (again, autarky doesn't work - even NK is dependent on China and Russia to access goods), the creation of a black market that undermines your official one, or just simply if you face foreign pressure in the form of sanctions, a denial of credit, or other means of financial isolation. This is why the need for an international coalition in order to overthrow an international system and move beyond it becomes apparent: history doesn't move backwards.



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Why does the left not focus on cooperativization rather than nationalization of industries? If we did manage to replace every company with a cooperative, would that not still be some kind of proto-Socialist position, albeit with markets still intact?
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>>2835115
This is called a smychka

>>2835129
>>2835130
>the value of a political theory lies in how many revolutions the theoretician personally started
by this logic the CIA is the ultimate revolutionary theorist since they have started hundreds of color revolutions.

Hi, guys

I would like to ask you guys to go to EU Inc. proposal page in "Have your say" portal to ask Commission to include cooperatives in their regulation. Here is all you need to know why that's important and to make it easier for you to write your feedback and provide sources too, anyway two studies (1)(2) commissioned by EU identified these problems with the existing SCE (European cooperative society) regulation:

1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital

2. Complicated registration procedures since all 27 member states have their own ways to register SCEs, frequently goverment institutions have no idea how to do it, for example one study references a situation where registration took a whole year, and there is no mechanism to notify other member states then SCE is registered in one state

3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countries which is arbitrary because all member state citizens are automatically EU citizens so it just needlessly makes it harder to register one

4. Little reason to use SCE legal form then national cooperative forms are much more convenient and can be used to operate cross-borders anyway and little knowledge and visibility that SCEs eve exist

Now proposed EU Inc. regulation would fix LITERALLY all of the problems mentioned above because:

1. It has very low capital requirement, so far the proposal only asks for 100 euros i.e. 300 times less than to set up a SCE
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This is a neat thread, do it again

>>2834694
>markets still intact
"Markets" is just another euphemism for capitalism. So called "coops" under capitalism are not what the name suggests as differences to other types of private commercial businesses such as shareholding are in practice miniscule and merely formal. In order to not get crushed by commercial market competitors privately owned "coops" must generate revenue, transform goods and products into commodities, accumulate capital and constantly expand just like any other capitalist. After a certain time however an operative threshold is reached and the effects of the falling rate of profit might kick in noticably, making maintaining revenue & growth more difficult. So in order to stay in business private commercial coops are bound to employ the usual bourgeois methods that is degrade product quality while the price is increased, cut r & d costs, degrade working conditions, cut wages of employees and "invest" in imperialist activities of the bourgeois state.
A "nationalized" coop under socialism or communism works entirely different, because socialist and communist economies are based on demand, not on the desire of bourgeois individuals to limitless hoard while preventing others from accessing and distributing resources for common purposes most efficiently.
"More coops" is pseudo-socialist liberal hogwash, it will change nothing substantially as the capitalist mode of production remains untouched.



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Communism is an impossibility, you’re never getting rid of the division of labor. Even if you got rid of entrepreneurs and investors and replaced them with the state you’ll never have factory workers doing brain surgery or high level accounting. Unless you rotate which sector sets the government agenda (which will inevitably benefit itself above the wider community) you’re just going to have a dictatorship of HR departments, which would be worse than the status quo.
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>>2813589
>you’re never getting rid of the division of labor.
so? division of labor is good. do you want plumbers doing neurosurgery?

>>2818963
If you have a problem with your brain, that’s your own fault and moral failure, every kind of surgery is just enabling bad behavior

>>2819008
Stop bumping slide threads, retard.

unfortunately true, but we can still fight for better concessions as workers. by fight i mean in the ballots, anything else usually just gives the state the excuse to outlaw socialism

>>2818963
>so? division of labor is good.
According to Marx, communism will abolish the division of labour.



 

Is the whole boomer vs. gen X vs. millennial vs. zoomer thing simply another form of false consciousness?

For example, someone born in 1986 and someone born in 1994 are both “millennials” but someone born in 1997 is a “zoomer” even though someone born in 1994 has a life experience much more like someone born in 1997 than they do someone born in 1986. Likewise, we don’t even know how to define when certain generations end or begin. Is the cut-off for boomers 1963, 1964, or 1965? To what extent does it matter?

It seems like scapegoating “boomers” for everything has become a popular thing to do on social media and I have to ask why is blaming the older generation somehow worthwhile? “Boomers were the hippies who ended up becoming conservative and voting for Reagan” — that doesn’t explain the material factors that lead to the rise of Reagan and neoconservatism in the first place. You can’t simply “blame boomers” when “boomer” exists in a materialist context. Likewise, you can’t blame Gen Xers and millennials for being “vain” or whatever when Gen Xers and millennials also faced material conditions beyond their control. So why are we placing blame on generations? Does it make any sense to do this?
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>>2838616
Gen X to the gulag too.

>>2838392
Agreed. I would talk to other people about Pokémon at school. Then I would watch the show and play the game later. It was a social experience that made Pokémon so succesful.

>>2838577
Gamergate was the “Franz Ferdinand” moment that ended up causing millions of millennial and zoomer men to embrace literal Nazism.

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>>2838598
>>2838683
You /pol/tards can give current and future generation /leftypol/ as well as insurance companies some risk relief by killing yourselves before you get old, preferably asap. Acknowledging your free will to save costs some insurance prick might even give you a free pass for using cutting edge western euthanasia tech if you ask nicely.

all generations suck equally, yet differently.



 

Recently saw a discussion in regards to "Third Worldism" as in MLM + unequal exchange (a non-Wallerstinian branch of world systems theory) having grown in influence in the anglophone/western, largely online, "communist" spaces.
Here is my dialectical engagement, as they were on to something important, not usually recognized, but also partially incorrect. I attempt to correct it ITT.

Unequal exchange, Mao/Chinese aesthetics and purely performative MLM rhetoric has grown in recent years… But with time comes change.

The original 90s ThirdWorldism "movement", centered in north-america diverged from MLM on a variety of theoretical issues, most crucially the revolutionary nature of the proletariat. They supplemented their divergence with integrating post-Marxist turns happening in word-systems theory (which was ongoing in western academia between the 80s and 90s). As ""Maoism" ThirdWorldism" largely accomplished nothing, other than maybe increasing confusion in the communist movement during the era of blackest reaction, we mostly remember them by their cartoony writing and online media available through archives from that era.

So if 90s Third Worldism was a north-american revisionist offshoot from MLM which integrated non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and rejecting revolution in the imperial core for rhetorical "support" of [far off, peripheral countries]… What are the particularities of the contemporary expression?

2020s Third Worldism can be observed as being a north-american right-wing revisionist movement which retains both the non-Wallerstinian unequal exchange theory and the purely symbolic appeals to Mao, but now replacing the "MLM" pretender framing for the simpler, safer state ideology of social-imperialist China; that also just so happens to feign adherence to 'Mao Zedong Thought', even after it was systematically replaced with the Bukharinist-Dengist capitulationist counterrevolution. which is continued today, the true basis for Xi Jinping Thought, as the bureaucrat-monopoly capitalist heading the political line of the party has only deepened the cementation of a new pole in the capitalist imperialist world system since Deng, when neither as many NEZ, stock markets, overall % of bourgeois in the party or billionaires existed in China. Mao Zedong Thought lives on in the rural and urban areas of any militant area of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2758817
>Torkil Lauesen
Oh, this Torkil Lauesen?:
https://lemmy.ml/post/41148785
>Quote open:
Many comrades know that one of my side projects, is recording audiobooks and putting them on youtube and torrents for all to listen.
Many times when I record a book, its the first-reading, so if it turns out to be a bad book, I can always stop recording, and move on to the next one. Usually this happens early on in the book, as its fairly easy to tell if an author has anything of value to add.
Based on ComradeHakim’s recent book recommendation video, I decided to read something from an author I hadn’t before, Torkil Lauesen’s - The long transition towards socialism and the end of capitalism. PDF here
There were a few red flags early on in the book, that made me suspect that Lauesen was either a Trot or ultra-left (an idealist definition of socialism, a claim that the USSR wasn’t socialist), but it was difficult to discern, because the early part of the book was about early socialist history (the internationals), and didn’t make too many firm judgements.
It took until about 40% of the book was done, probably 7+ hours of recording wasted, until Lauesen shows his ultraleft politics. Chapter 12 is where it really comes out (you can read it in the pdf linked above). Some of his points:
He denounces the USSR as not socialist, and abandoning Marxism in favor of building a “state bureacracy”.
Denounces socialism in one country as abandoning internationalism.
Citing trotskyist writers like Deutscher to claim that Stalin was “authoritarian”, and a “schemer”, and ruthlessly eliminating/purging opponents.
Stalin is painted in the standard western caricature as a ruthless self-serving bureacrat who subverted socialism to build his own power.
Groups Lenin and Stalin as the “right-wing” of the bolsheviks while Trotsky represented the “left”.
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LaRouchintern

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Drop Site News founder Ryan Grim seen here (img related) defending SS tattoo on Platner.

BreakThrough News (PSL organ) promotes Dropsite News, seen here >>2834130

>>2839102
grim and drop site are libs
but "promotes" doesnt mean much

yawnnnn more third turdism, and maoposting. tldr



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You guys don’t fine it weird how this man became the world's first trillionaire and then you go to his social media and he spends all day reposting videos of minorities committing crimes, anti-immigration propaganda, etc.?

It’s like he knows his ass is on the line and he's desperate to redirect the anger of the masses to another target. The worst part is that it works.
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>>2839480
yes my fellow champion of the people it is certainly in the interests of the workers to vote for those parties that continue to cut taxes on the wealthy, cut social spending, cut public healthcare, education, pensions, lower the minimum wage, raise the level of working hours, replace workers with AI, raise the cost of housing, the cost of food, destroy worker savings through inflation, fund and grow the surveillance state, and arrest and imprison people who protest against imperialist war and genocide. this is surely in the interests of the working class and not at all a pitiful attempt at astroturfing on your part stemming from a misanthropic and psychopathic lust for blood and suffering against those you deem as subhuman.

>>2839467
Shouldn’t you be on /r/redscarepod or /r/stupidpol parroting generic right-wing talking points and thinking you’re enlightened for living in a major city in a blue state and having the same beliefs as some redneck from Bumfuck, Ohio while refusing to move to a conservative area?

>>2839485
listen just because the guy that orders the design of and approves those engagement bait algorithms just recently became the first trillionaire in history doesn't mean we should start jumping to conclusions all of a sudden

>>2839487
You forgot Orban and the Polish right in the list too. The worst part? Their partisan will actually pretend they solved the problem while still attacking the left or even liberals because it turns out "immigration" is not about immigration for the most part.
Trump hasnt reduced it significantly by the way but UK Labour did. Guess which one is being defamed by the rightwing medias constantly?
>>2839492
Well said. When we win we will deport these guys to deep red flyover rural town so they can experience the joys of an ethnically homogenous christpilled hogh trust society they promote so much. Because they wont go there by themselves clearly.

elon is the richest man in the history of… ever



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Deng Xiaoping Theory saved Marxism from irrelevance by shifting its focus from perpetual class struggle to practical economic development. In the late 1970s, orthodox Marxist-Leninist economies faced severe stagnation and widespread poverty. Deng revitalized the ideology by introducing market mechanisms into a socialist framework, creating a model that allowed communist states to survive and thrive in a modern globalized world. [1]

Rebranding Productive Forces
Prioritizing wealth: Deng argued that poverty is not socialism.
Redefining communism: He stated that true socialism must develop productive forces.
Shifting metrics: Economic output replaced ideological purity as the primary goal. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Decoupling Markets from Capitalism
Pragmatic tools: Markets and planning were viewed as economic tools, not defining political traits.
Market Socialism: He proved market mechanisms can serve a socialist economy.
Foreign capital: China opened doors to global investment while maintaining state control. [7, 8, 9, 10, 11]

The "Seek Truth from Facts" Philosophy
Rejecting dogma: Deng discarded blind adherence to utopian Marxist theories.
Results-oriented: Policies were judged by their ability to raise living standards.
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>>2839478
Dengoids enjoyed the benefit of the doubt as long as China's rate of profit was high and they economy was growing, so they could pretend it was NEP in action. But now that the economy is slowing and RoP is declining, it's going to be increasingly harder to maintain this illusion.

Some examples include raising the retirement age for workers, making anti-automation laws, threatening other countries for violating Intellectual Property, threatening countries that want to adopt "Dengism" themselves because doing so would it make it harder for Chinese exports to enter, making public about intentions to increase consumption share of GDP (which results in declining growth), revising down GDP growth expectations, providing support for real estate market, increasing regressive taxes and tightening tax compliance on working class etc

>>2839477
>If a real communist revolution happened anywhere, the US and China would work together to crush that revolution.
as china builds socialism you will cry every step of the way that China and the USA are secretly best friends, all the way up until the point that the USA starts thermonuclear war with China, and then you will say it's just inter imperialist war

>>2839482
ultras have nothing but complaining from their armchairs

>>2839483
Why would I cry if China does something that benefits the real movement? You know the "capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them" applies to Chinese capitalists as well right?

>>2839484
I mean if you actually bothered to learn about China from Chinese themselves you would realize all the things I talked about are publicly discussed problems in China. Btw there are lots of Chinese leftcoms as well.

>>2839477
No they wouldn't, they don't even have the capacity for that in the slightest



 

Protests staged in Metro Manila on PH Independence Day 2026
Participating groups were from Bayan, Anakbayan, PISTON, Karapatan, and allied organizations. Their protests focused on opposition to imperialism, calls for just peace, withdrawal of United States troops, and the repeal of defense agreements, while also denouncing alleged foreign military aggression and demanding to "junk EDCA." Signed in 2014, EDCA or the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement grants American troops access to designated Philippine military facilities, the right to construct facilities, and to pre-position equipment, aircraft, and vessels, but does not allow permanent basing.
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/991206/protest-independence-day-issues/story/
https://archive.ph/XGfsU

Bengal: Red Flags Stand up Against BJP Bulldozers to Defend Hawkers
Acting on petitions filed by the Centre of Indian Trade Union (CITU)– affiliated Railway Hawkers’ Union and associations representing small businesses, the Calcutta High Court on Wednesday (June 10) ordered temporary suspension of the eviction process in the railway markets of Naihati, Dankuni and Konnagar until June 17. Justice Hiranmay Bhattacharya, while issuing the order, directed that neither the Railway authorities nor the state government would be permitted to carry out any forcible eviction at these three locations until June 17.
https://www.newsclick.in/bengal-red-flags-stand-against-bjp-bulldozers-defend-hawkers

A Myanmar rights group urges FIFA to drop Mytel’s World Cup rights over connections to military
The group, Justice For Myanmar, told The Associated Press on Friday it only learned this week that international soccer’s governing body FIFA had granted the exclusive Myanmar broadcast rights to Mytel after the telecoms operator launched its local advertising campaign for the World Cup.
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Replace P with N in Photoshop.

A woman’s hypothermia death in Pittsburgh after her release from ICE custody is ruled a homicide
Daphy Michel, 31, died March 2. She was found at a bus shelter in Pittsburgh. The Allegheny County Medical Examiner’s Office found her cause of death to be hypothermia and ruled the manner a homicide, “indicating the death was caused by the actions of another individual” and should not be interpreted as a declaration of criminal guilt, the office said in a statement. The office released its findings Friday.
https://apnews.com/article/haiti-woman-homicide-ice-e31e7109eba053b41f6b0319640df042

Cruz breaks with Trump on key endorsements as 2028 looms
Cruz this week announced he was backing Rick Jackson for Georgia governor and Alan Wilson in South Carolina's race for governor. Jackson, a wealthy health care executive, faces Trump-backed Lt. Gov. Burt Jones in Georgia's June 16 runoff. Wilson, South Carolina's attorney general, is up against Trump-endorsed Lt. Gov. Pamela Evette in a runoff taking place on June 23.
https://www.axios.com/2026/06/13/ted-cruz-trump-endorsements-2028
https://archive.ph/ZdgZ6

Blaze at 1m-sq-ft California warehouse rages into third day: ‘We’re struggling’
The fire has been raging at the medical supplier Medline Industries’ warehouse in Tracy, a city of more than 100,000 residents located about 55 miles (90km) east of San Francisco. Officials expect to be battling the fire for a few more days.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/13/california-warehouse-fire-tracy

Some people are making guns with 3D printers. A new law seeks to cancel their print jobs
A New York law signed last month and a bill in the California Legislature both would direct panels of experts to come up with standards for firearm blueprint detection algorithms. The technology would analyze every design submitted for 3D printing, compare it to a digital library of fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Elon Musk: What kind of system produces a trillionaire?
"If a man tells you he got rich through hard work, ask him: 'Whose?'" The old remark by Don Marquis has never been more relevant. Elon Musk has officially become the world's first trillionaire. Predictably, the newspapers, television networks and business magazines are treating it as a historic achievement. A monument to innovation. A triumph of genius. Proof that capitalism rewards talent. But a trillion dollars is not a measure of talent. It is rather a measure of power. No human being creates a trillion dollars. No human being earns a trillion dollars. A trillion dollars represents the labor of countless workers — miners, engineers, technicians, drivers, factory workers, programmers, cleaners, warehouse employees — whose collective work is transformed into private wealth. The billionaire appears at the end of the process and claims the credit. The defenders of capitalism want us to marvel at the size of Musk's fortune. We ask a simpler question: Who produced it? Not Musk alone. Not even remotely.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/06/elon-musk-what-kind-of-system-produces-a-trillionaire.html

Mamdani and the ABCs of Marxist State Theory
More than four months have passed since Zohran Mamdani, a young activist from the Democratic Socialists of America, rose to the position of mayor of one of the wealthiest and most important cities in the world. His electoral victory over the Democratic Party establishment candidate, Andrew Cuomo, was viewed sympathetically by many and seen as an expression of a leftward shift among a generation that led the university campus occupations in solidarity with Palestine and has been radicalizing since the rise of Bernie Sanders. His campaign centered on “affordability,” with proposals including free public transportation, taxes on billionaires, and anti-repression demands, such as the dissolution of the police’s most violent units. For these reasons, his candidacy was widely perceived as a challenge to the U.S. political and social order. Yet, as soon as the task of administering the state apparatus took hold of both the candidate and the organization, they made a series of concessions to economic and political power. These concessions sparked intense debaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

>"Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience."

>"There are times in this world when, for the good of tolerance and humanity, you need to kill a motherfucker. Sadly most people who are true believers in tolerance and humanity find that activity repulsive. Which I suppose is morally good, but pragmatically a shortfall."


>"Out of curiosity, what would you say to the many Marines and Soldiers who took trophies and desecrated bodies while fighting the Japanese? I find the urinating on bodies as a poor choice, but only because of the current state of media affairs. It's amusing that today killing a man isn't worthy of comment, but god forbid you display dominance. Only 50 years ago, and for the rest of the history of warfare, this stuff was pretty standard."


>"We are going to kill thousands. By the end of it, it may be millions. Our way of life is better, and if that is what it takes to prevail, let's get this show on the road. I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with the fact you seem to think we shouldn't do it."


https://archive.org/download/graham_platner_reddit_comments/graham_platner_reddit_comments.txt

the tattoo and the racist and misogynistic stuff graham platner has said in the past were certainly red flags for me, but honestly when i actually started reading through the comments myself, i realized it's actually worse than people seem to realize. it goes beyond just teenage edgelord internet shenanigans, this is someone who seems to have a genuine fascination with killing and hurting people, he talks about it a lot and brags about it a lot, he claims that he joined the military because he wanted to kill people and that he enjoyed killing people and he constantly talks about how empowering it feels and how much he misses it.

i've known a lot of people who have served in the military and i've never known any of them to say things like this. but i have heard a few of them talk about meeting certain other members of the military who did. most people who join the military are decent normal people who join for the usual kinds of reasons - Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2834009
assuming this person sodomized people w that thing, funny to think she was my countryman and is probably well-off w some consulting gig or gainfully retired.

>>2833372
>To be fair to Kyle, Fetterman was a totally different person back then, before the brain damage
no he really wasn't, he was just better at faking it. the jogger incident is the best known example of him always being a hotheaded asshole, but I have also been in the same room as pre-stroke fetty IRL and witnessed him raging out the exact same way at some mild left pushback from a fucking DSA meeting. the stroke didn't make him an asshole, it just took away his ability to pretend he wasn't

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>>2826855
People are desperate to reduce criticism of Graham Platner to the rejection of ex USA military people in a wider movement when it's never been that. There are plenty of clearly repentant veterans with with histories of activism and political experience. That background is important in that it makes it more likely that this is a person you can trust to cooperate with your political agenda. Platner does not have that. On the contrary he has an extremely sketchy background which he has lied about. Furthermore many supposedly radical independent journalists and media figures (Ryan Grim, Majority Report, Hasan Piker) have repeatedly lied about him. They said he regrets his participation in the military, he doesn't. They said he is anti-war, he isn't. They said he is anti Israel, he's a liberal zionist. They said he has a working class background, he owns an oyster business and comes from a business owning family.

Regarding his class background, it is not a moral failing that he is from a bourgeoisie family, but it's the fact that he and the previously mentioned media people have lied about it. And when that lie and all the others are pointed out, all those legitimate demonstrable criticisms and their conclusion (that there is no good reason to trust this guy and they should have gotten a better candidate), are waved away by Grim, ME, Piker etc. as incoherent crying by tankies or ultras or third worldists. If you are not from the USA, they'll jump to "stfu this isn't your country", as if USA senators weren't people with powers that can affect whole planet. If you are from the USA they'll throw the contrapoints/basil criticism at you (not verbatim because that would be too embarrassing for them): "you don't want power you just want to endlessly critique power". Which has been endlessly ripped apart but once again: any ideologically driven person does not want power just for it's own sake, they want the things that that power can obtain, in the case of leftists a better socioeconomic system.

>>2839037
truthfully I don't remember any of what he said in that meeting that wasn't angry hollering. because I was in the back of the room and he absolutely refused to use a microphone, no matter how many times we tried to tell him it was an accessibility issue. every single other candidate just got up at the podium and spoke, but he insisted on doing his fakeass "man of the people" act in the middle of the aisle and refused to touch the wireless mic they kept trying to hand him
(yeah I know, lol DSA electoral shit, I was a dumbass and had to learn the hard way how retarded it was)

>>2838380
Total pro-lifer death



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