/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The robot would kill them out of indifference the way humans kill animals out of indifference, by destroying the environment that supports us and displacing us, that would include the bourgeois. Also they need consumers for whatever they happen to manufacture.

>>2786117
No, how many times do we have to go over this. The bourgeoisie are not magical demons that can do whatever they want. They don't know how to code robots or operate drones, even if they did like in any war the side with more people always wins in the end ffs. The moment that full automation becomes a thing is the moment they no longer have anything to bribe the working class with to prevent their own downfall. If everyone in this scenario is acting out of pure self-interest than any attempted genocide by the upper class towards the lower will just result in an immediate unconcious annihilation of the bourgeois out of self-defense by the working class. IP doesn't grant power, muscle grants power and we have far more of it than them.

>>2786117
This was one of the paths to communism in Four Futures, I believe. The rich kill the proles and live in an automated robo society, money loses meaning, communism achieved. Well, except the part about labor being life's prime want. The gay space communism people always seem to skip that part.

capitalism literally cannot even exist without a proletariat, read a book retards

>Could the Bourgeoisie win the class war by exterminating us?
no
>Say, in the next few years, fat engineers in Silicon Valley invent some robot that can do everything a regular human worker can do.
they cant do that

Oil futures markets open in ~6 hours.

>>2786430
who cares about the oil futures, the sp500 only goes up lol

>>2786329
there's more than one person here m'lawd

And there's always room for *more* hate :-)

>>2786412
go back

Salih Müslim was sent off on his final journey.
Salih Muslim, a member of the Co-Chairmanship Council of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), who died of kidney failure on March 11 in a hospital in Hewler (Erbil), was buried in his hometown of Kobanê. Delegations from North and South Kurdistan attended the funeral ceremony held at the Martyr Dicle Cemetery. At the ceremony, which was attended by tens of thousands of people, a letter sent by Leader Apo (Abdullah Öcalan) after Salih Muslim's death was read aloud.

Speaking at the ceremony, Tuncer Bakırhan, Co-Chair of the Peoples' Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party), said, "We worked closely with Salih Muslim. Comrade Salih was a great diplomat, a great revolutionary. He worked not only for himself but for the entire Kurdish people. Just as Orhan Doğan and Mehmet Sincar are for the people of Bakur (Northern Kurdistan), Salih Muslim is for Rojava (Western Kurdistan). May your path be clear, Comrade Salih. Our condolences to the Kurdish people."

Kurdish politician Leyla Zana said, "The path of hope opened by the great Salih Muslim will illuminate our way. The suffering we have endured for centuries must end. I also respectfully commemorate the martyrs who were laid to rest yesterday. We have reached this stage with great sacrifices. We are going through a process where we will either live freely or we will live freely. Chairman Apo speaks of democratic unity, and therefore everyone must take responsibility for their part. Today, the world is facing crises. Because there is a circle of fire. However, it is the Kurdish people who are full of hope. We will further increase our hopes. Today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow will be even better than today. We will lean on our people. When we have confidence in ourselves, the whole world will respect us. We will strive even harder to live freely. They deem death worthy of us, but no, we are building life."

Kobanê is an example for us. I am at the service of this people. And I will continue to be so after this process. If we are united, we are a great force. We will lead the way to a free life. We are ready to be friends with all peoples. I hope we will experience our best moments together. I participated in a program with Comrade Salih. Despite having difficulty breathing, he wanted to ensure that not a single minute was wasted. He didn't want a single minute to be wasted for the Kurdish people. I belPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Israel said it carried out airstrikes on Syrian army positions overnight on Thursday, claiming the attacks were in response to violence against Druze civilians in southern Syria, amid intensifying clashes in Suweida province.

"Overnight, the IDF struck a headquarters and weapons at Syrian regime military camps in southern Syria," the Israeli military said, according to AFP.

Clashes in Suweida erupted on Thursday between government forces and allied tribal fighters and Druze factions, according to local sources.

Syrian state media did not acknowledge the clashes or the Israeli strikes.

“The IDF will not allow harm to come to Druze in Syria and will continue to act for their protection,” a statement from the Israeli military said.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-strikes-syria-under-pretext-protecting-druze

Newroz in Damascus. Interesting.

protest against the new anti-alcohol laws

Intense activity on the Damascus-Rojava front: Integration, job offers, and returns are on the table.
During meetings held in Damascus on April 16, Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) Commander Mazlum Abdi, Autonomous Administration Foreign Relations Officer Ilham Ahmed, Interim Government Head Ahmed Shara, Foreign Minister Asad Sheibani, and Presidential Advisor Ziyad al-Aish came together.
The meeting addressed key political and security issues in Syria, the advancement of the integration process, and the timeline for the implementation of necessary measures. It was noted that the parties conducted a comprehensive and detailed assessment, particularly regarding the implementation of the military, administrative, and political arrangements defined within the framework of the January 29th Agreement.
The main focus of the meeting was on the topics discussed in Damascus, the stage of the integration process, the steps that need to be taken along the Rojava-Damascus line, and how the situation on the ground is developing.

According to information we received from local sources, the question Ahmed Shara posed to Mazlum Abdi during their meeting – "When are you coming to Damascus?" – is noteworthy. In the past, it was known that Mazlum Abdi had stated, "Instead of a presidential election, I will be among my people and involved in national unity efforts." However, as this meeting indicates, Ahmed Shara considers Mazlum Abdi's involvement in Damascus a vital and unavoidable step. Abdi's move to Damascus, whether as vice president or in another capacity, is seen as critical for the implementation of the January 29th Agreement and for the resolution of political issues in Syria through coordination between the SDF and Damascus.

<THE GOVERNANCE OF A SHARED SYRIAN INTEGRITY IS BEING DISCUSSED.
There is a topic that came up between the SDF and Damascus even before the April 16 meeting. According to local sources, Damascus had conveyed to SDF-Autonomous Administration officials in previous meetings a request for an individual who could serve in the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Although there has been no official statement from the Syrian Interim Government on this matter, it is clear that this is a topic related to the integration process.

<INTERIM FORMULA FOR YPJ
During the visit of the Women's Protection Units (YPJ) delPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Very clear that the main character being red is an homage to the Soviet Union.

<The main story of the games and the movie are about the birds fighting back against colonial oppressors who want to eat their children.

<Said colonial oppressors are literal porkies who are colored green

<The pig society is an imperialist monarchy ruled by King Pig.

<In the movie, the pigs come to bird Island to share their "knowledge" with the birds but are in reality there to steal their resources (eggs) and exploit them.

Op is unironically correct.

>>2785950
Not that anon, but I think I get what he’s saying. It does feel like the New-left/Critical Theorist ideas about race are irreverent, because they largely depended on stable capitalist liberal societies to function and those systems seem to be changing or breaking down.

My glowie senses are tingling. I'm noticing an increase is typical bullshit arguments and discussions that retread age old conflicts that were resolved long ago.

>>2785953
Literally the point of postmodernism, reject any basis from before and try to be critical of everything that has ever been thought before so you can the most original political ideas (Neoliberalism with different names)

>class is not a concept good enough to replace it
show your working uygha class analysis is literally all there is we have like two centuries of thought and praxis proving this otherwise im just gonna assume youre another well poisoning neoliberal many such cases

Yes you have more in common with Elon Musk than someone flipping burgers at McDonald's because both of you think transhumanist bathrooms cringe

>>2786202
So you’re problem is specifically with bipedal robots or any legs at all I guess

>>2786210
I didn't make the post but that's what I heard, legs are unstable and it can easily fall down, etc

>>2786216
Yeah, but wheels don’t work for stairs and tracks are a quite rigid solution. If bipedal is mastered it would be the most flexible solution.

>>2786239
True that wheels dont work for stairs in the typical design but most robots wouldnt need to go up and down stairs. There's also like triangular wheeled arrangements that can go up stairs (albeit slowly).

Bipedal robots usually just feel like silicon valley pablum, you're left to imagine 'what if it could do everything a person can', but it can't, so it's silly. You know what robot I like? Those automatic fruit/veg pickers, they actually seem to work correctly. I don't believe there's any two legged robots actually in real 'work' at the moment.

>>2786241
Wheeled robots, tracked robots and stationary robots will make up the vast majority of robots in usage, and even quadropedel are going to be preferred over bipedal, so you’re right.

>>2784365
>reuters admit all the dooming about muh construction sector crisis was bullshit and china high quality growth rather than capitalist gpd fetishization is working
well they had to admit it sooner or later

>>2784857
I don’t believe anything I don’t see with my eyes, the only chinese I ever see is fake food and fake plastic products at walmart and target and I’m supposed to believe this is communism, this is the break from the status quo, fuck them and fuck you

>>2783622
>it'd be great if they made it gradually less useless
It's already been proven useful in STEM applications, especially logistics, and in a country like China which manufactures 95% of all solar panels globally, the data centers don't even need to be as wasteful as they are in the USA. Also believe it or not machine learning uses less energy and time in a lot of its calculations than a human would doing the same thing. People hate hearing this but it's true. Just like Ludd's hand-loom weavers couldn't cope with the power loom, white collars can't cope with the machine learning. They are dragged kicking and screaming into the future against their will, with no way to RETVRN to what was before.

>>2784867
That’s assuming Chinese even exist at all, it’s probably a lie made up to justify military budgets

someone made a new one before the old one was full

>>2785232
So you're saying like, that a new middle strata always becomes the next ruling class instead of creating a 1 class society or a or 0 class society? That's like zeno's paradox but with classes instead of distance.

>>2785232
Well of course you can't abolish exploitation why would anyone be hired just to produce enough to support themselves. But under communism society exploits you instead of capitalists.

>>2785677
>But under communism society exploits you instead of capitalists.
but vulgar marxists don't usually read the gothakritik and understand this

>>2785232
>the neepalz are the buttons
i want to peench them

>>2785757
idk, europeans built several short-lived states in occupied palestine back then too
some things never change

>>2785728
the truth is, life is unfair, it doesn't care about you or anyone. it rewards some and punishes others for no reason.
life is absurd.
if life is absurd, and you succumb to nihilism, why not just kill yourself?
you need to view life from the perspective of "What keeps you alive" not "Why not just die", you must fight the absurdity of life with your rebellious absurdity.

>>2785771
Someone’s read their french

>>2785289
>I am scared im succumbing to Nihilism

sometimes it feels like humanity will never be chill and have communism because sociopaths will always conspire to give themselves any kind of relative advantage, escalation dominance, ability to exploit others, monopoly on violence, etc.

>>2785974
That's why you kill all sociopaths. Treat them like sapient malignant tumors.

>>2784743
Many communists forget what Engels wrote about the United States where workers have to have their revolutionary socialist party independent of the bourgeoisie without being co-opted by republicans, democrats or libertarians.

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.

<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm

Now with the quotes from Marx and Engels that it is necessary to remember:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

You’d need a framework for it to spread that quickly, it’s heavily divided among different nations currently.

Personally I’m thinking maybe France would have the best chance. The USA is up in the air.

>Reverse 1989
Doubt it. 1989 was a domino effect that at best wouldn't have been a socialist catastrophic if the USSR didn't kill itself in 1991. The Warsaw Pact countries could have remained neutral and not a part of NATO if the Soviet Union was around. For example Poland didn't join until 1999. At best Eastern Europe would have been ran by some Eurocommunist trying to balance East and West. What I am trying to say is that 1989 was unique and a black swan event. A reverse 1989 would be trying to find something even more out of the blue than a black swan

>>2785092
GREAT post.

>>2784743
You need a functioning communist party for a revolution to happen at the very least.