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What's up with FARC? I don't see much discussion of them in leftist circles despite being a communist ML group? Are/were they just drug traffickers and gangsters, or a real political movement?

IIRC FARC, ELN, EPA, and M19 never manufactured or distributed cocaine themselves, they protected cocoa leaf growing peasants and taxed the trade happening in areas they operated in. The Colombian economy is so awful for its rural poor that cocoa is essentially the only crop you can grow and make a living in. It was the right wing paramilitaries like Gulf Clan who were actually making the cocaine out of the leaves and sending it to Trinidad where it would find its way to the US.

>>2852975
They demobilized. The peace process however was a farce, so many, being targets disarmed in the government camps, folded into ELN, FARC-EP, and various drug gang. Leads to some schizophrenia, coppied from one FARC-EP group turned drug gang:
<The criminal organisation describes itself as ideologically centrist and makes it clear that it does not subscribe to left-wing or right-wing doctrines, adding that “Marxist or fascist theories are not accepted within our organisation”. It also states that it accepts “all types of fighters, regardless of their background or combat experience”, provided they are not “enemies of the state”
A big part of the offensives we've been seeing by the ELN are apparently because of this influx of manpower and so on.
This could have gone into /QTDDTOT/ to be fair.

>>2852975
>Are/were they just drug traffickers and gangsters, or a real political movement?
both to different degrees at different points subject to internal and external influences



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I rarely hear arguments against objectivism that manage to invalidate Ayn Rand's argument for capitalism. Her argument is often considered to be the following, assuming a simplified syllogistic format :

>1. Survival requires reason : Man survives by using his rational mind, not instinct or force.


>2. Reason requires freedom : A mind can only function if left free to think and act on its own judgment; force or coercion can't make someone think.


>3. Capitalism is the only system that bans coercion between individuals and protects property rights, allowing each person to act on their own judgment.


>4. Therefore, capitalism is the only moral/practical social system : it's the only one consistent with the requirements of human survival and rationality.


The idea behind her argument is that living is to value human life, and that capitalism is rationally the correct system that upholds men's self-determination of values and hence of life given that it prevents force being used upon them. Capitalism is what follows from her objectivist ethics : ethical egoism.

I've yet to see any actual counter-arguments done against her pro-capitalist stance that are valid.
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>>2853308
>Ayn Rand justified the Native American genocide on the terms that the colonisers were "more advanced"

So did Locke and Marx and the fascists and pretty much everyone. The only people who don't are landback radlibs and anprims.

>>2853311
Do you think the West sponsoring the ethnic cleaning of Palestine is justified? What is the real, true difference in the scheme of civilisation?

>>2853311
>so did Marx
provide evidence

>>2853308
>Man is trained to obey, not to think
>The poorest people in the world are the least rational
Do you really want me to comment on these ?

>Is rational selfishness just a broad hammer of "might makes right"?

On the contrary, it's the opposite. If you recognize your own self-values, you recognize the necessity in guaranteed freedom.

>A dependent person or an independent person

They're both free aslong as they're not coerced

>Who owns ideas?

Yeah I agree on you her belief in intellectual property is a bit stupid

>is this a sign of more or less freedom?

I'd suggest that you look up the definition of freedom for objectivists

>>2853386
>Do you really want me to comment on these ?
Look around. The dumbest and poorest people will always have more kids than the smartest people. Reason negates survival. Ayn Rand herself was childless, which contradicts the objectivist view of femininity according to a particular nature and duty to have children.
>the necessity in guaranteed freedom.
What guarantees freedom?
>They're both free
It's not about the quality of freedom, but its degree.
Who is *more* free or not? You fail to grasp this concept.



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I'm really fucking gay and I like men but I don't see how a cavalry of transfem transbians would ever be a possible thing, if everyone could just unleash the barbaric animal inside of them it would be super amazing because I want these subhuman money laundering zionist flesh eating bastards to have their corpses eviscerated till their eyeballs are coagulated and they lay pudged up in blood, cum and fecal matter until they are indistinguishable to a pile of negroplasm which is then grinded up and fed to a rhinoceros and birthed from it's infected urinatus.

Ted Kaczynski meets Jeffrey Dahmer.

The war is won by boymoders.

Total boymoder victory.

This has absolutely nothing to do with this board

>>>/siberia/

SNCA




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It work pretty well for a bit in Catalonia, but I'm not really sure the means of revolution adapted to the conditions of 1920s Spain would really translate all that well to modern day America.
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>>2852706
> syndicates can easily cause economic stagnation through entrenched ludditism
I already like syndicalism, you don't need to sell it for me

I don’t see any problems with it other than the fact that it is uncompetitive. Any state can defeat anarchists even using elephants and uyghurs with spears. Anarchism is powerless against external threats.

>>2852706
Have they ever effectively be the base of any revolutionary movement, not just in theory? I always felt unions were about negotiating a better deal not to overthrow anything.
They tend to make the business worse due to endemic corruption and also not bring anything close to communism, not even real social democracy since they were always downstream from powerful state capacity and not some decentralized salary bargaining.

>>2852858
They can be, unions can strike for reform such as higher wages and better conditions but the logical conclusion of all that is the abolishing of the wage system altogether so it really depends on the level of class consciousness that they have and the material conditions that would be auspicious for such a demand to become a real potential.

>>2852806
Exactly, non state socialism is essentially anti-competitive so lacks the coercive slave driving to prod the proletariat above and beyond their capacity. Which is why it cannot exist within the international community which the bourgeoisie would just see as a vacuum to capitalise on. Once the productive forces have built up and reached an equalibrium on a global scale and there are no more countries to imperialise, the bourgeoisie will be backed into a corner since they would no longer be able to buy out through reform since they cannot export or import labour to poorer nations and will be at the mercy of the demands of the proletariat



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How do you wake up every morning knowing you're Australian not immediately kill yourself?


>>2829498
Why is the only thing Australian leftists are capable of effectively doing at all attacking anyone who opposes the mass importation of cheap labour for capitalists?

>>2851799
self-hating anglos

>>2826164
Organize immigrant workers. Agitate for better conditions and make them harder to exploit by porkies. Don't fall for the strasserist psyop and cuck out to "anti mass migration" rightoids who will only make them into an easy scapegoat to be isolated from the wider struggle.



 

I cope with globalization's destruction of the labor movement by pretending that we have reached the global Lewis turning point. There's just not that big of s global latent reserve army anymore. The capitalists will still be evil but now they will have to explicitly use force or develop technology more in order to exploit us.

>>2852675
Yes I would say this is cope, there's still billions of unemployed people around the world and employment will probably continue to go down as AI replaces more jobs and quality of life just declines generally (in the west anyway)

>>2852675
They will implant a brain computer interface on your dura mater that flashes your mind's eye with brazzers and mcdonalds adverts when an algorithm determines you're looking off into space or not being productive enough. if the wifi drops out there's a small but non negligible risk you'll have a seizure

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>>2852765
stop giving them ideas



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>Israel Epstein (1915–2005) was a Polish-born journalist who spent most of his life in China and became a Chinese citizen. He was one of the few foreign-born members of the Chinese Communist Party.

>He was born in Warsaw to Jewish parents and moved to China as a young child after his family fled instability in Europe. He grew up in Tianjin and began working as a journalist at an early age, later reporting on major events such as the Chinese resistance against Japan.


>During World War II, he was detained by Japanese forces but later escaped. Years later, during the Cultural Revolution, he was imprisoned again on political accusations, though he was eventually released and rehabilitated.


>Throughout his career, he wrote extensively about China, helping communicate its political and social developments to an international audience. He remained closely connected to the Chinese government and was honored by several national leaders.


>He died in Beijing in 2005 and was buried in a cemetery reserved for notable revolutionary figures.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Epstein



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I've been seeing a lot of neoliberal and generally pro-market positions on social-media for a while now and I was wondering if this was a general phenomena or if it was just me.
In any case, in the event that this is a general trend on social media, how receptive is the average person to that kind of propaganda ?

From where I'm from, most people are pretty left-leaning economically but also have a lot of anti-tax views (which is logical given the burden of 65+ on the pension system). But is this the case everywhere ? I've also noticed that a lot of zoomers seemed to embrace the myth of the self-made man a lot more than the older generations.
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>>2850006
>>2850462
I mean let's be real neoliberalism basically means nothing at this point.

>>2852711
It’s the abundance movement now apparently

>>2852713
What are the actual economic policy positions of abundance?

>>2852716
They’re literally just rebranded neoliberal policies with an emphasis on YIMBYISM

>>2852719
😕 Neoliberals do jack shit to nationalize land, debt and other rents.



 

Let's rehearse the facts:
>The US bombed Cambodia harder than they did in Nazi Germany and Japan
>The majority of the urban population were refugees from the countryside when the cities were emptied.
>Life expectancy dropped to its lowest point in 1975, before the Khmer Rouge took over. Afterwards, it began increasing.
>The Khmer Rouge successfully did all they could do prevent famine.
>The Khmer Rouge was not peasantist/primitivist. There was investment in light industry, healthcare and education.
>Thousands were killed in the Vietnamese invasion. More refugees fled per year from the puppet regime than from the Democratic Kampuchea.
>The central government ordered a stop to all killings on several occasions.
>The CIA only supported the Khmer Rouge after Vietnam took over to fuck with the USSR. The same CIA that bombed the country to rubble

Am I saying the KR was good? No. But blindly believing in propaganda is stupid.
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<ML party-state? Nice.
<Which tendency, leftist, centerist or rightist?
>We're centrist

Genuine mental illness

>>2840444
Anyone who defends Pol Pot is a CIA asset just like Pol Pot himself, Vietnam saved Cambodia from a genocide committed by a man who received $85 million bucks from Henry Kissinger

>>2852428
Take some deep breaths
>>2852603
You can't read I can tell

>>2840444
>blindly believing in propaganda is stupid
Liberals literally cancelled Noam Chomsky for his "genocide denial" more than they ever condemned him for being an MIT fascist who is aligned with the Epstein class.
<'The Cynical Farce about Cambodia' by Noam Chomsky
<Dissent, June 26, 1978
<“Do the recent events in Cambodia warrant a reconsideration of our opposition to the Vietnam War”? Consider the factual and moral premises that allow this question to be seriously raised.

<Principled opponents of that war should now devote themselves with no less energy to attempting to heal its wounds and help its victims — those in exile, those who are oppressed, and those who are struggling to construct a viable society from the ruins left by American terror. If honest inquiry reveals terror and repression, protest is legitimate. One who undertakes it must ask how his acts may help those who suffer, bearing in mind also the domestic consequences and the fate of future victims of the interventionist ideologies now being reconstructed. One will of course win acclaim in the West by joining the chorus of protest focused on those who have escaped the Western orbit, but for ugly reasons. It is easy to avoid these considerations, but an honest person with true human concern will not lightly do so. Individuals may differ in their assessment of these complex issues, but they deserve more careful attention than they often receive. We cannot escape the world in which we live, inconvenient though that fact may be.
https://chomsky.info/19780626/

>>2840599
>revolution is worse than the social ills it claims to cure
Liberals are just pagan Baal cultusts who believe 'the invisible hand of the free market' is natural and not made of political choices. So any attempt to resist the Epstein class of IMF finance imperialism is against nature



 

Is the whole boomer vs. gen X vs. millennial vs. zoomer thing simply another form of false consciousness?

For example, someone born in 1986 and someone born in 1994 are both “millennials” but someone born in 1997 is a “zoomer” even though someone born in 1994 has a life experience much more like someone born in 1997 than they do someone born in 1986. Likewise, we don’t even know how to define when certain generations end or begin. Is the cut-off for boomers 1963, 1964, or 1965? To what extent does it matter?

It seems like scapegoating “boomers” for everything has become a popular thing to do on social media and I have to ask why is blaming the older generation somehow worthwhile? “Boomers were the hippies who ended up becoming conservative and voting for Reagan” — that doesn’t explain the material factors that lead to the rise of Reagan and neoconservatism in the first place. You can’t simply “blame boomers” when “boomer” exists in a materialist context. Likewise, you can’t blame Gen Xers and millennials for being “vain” or whatever when Gen Xers and millennials also faced material conditions beyond their control. So why are we placing blame on generations? Does it make any sense to do this?
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>>2838392
Agreed. I would talk to other people about Pokémon at school. Then I would watch the show and play the game later. It was a social experience that made Pokémon so succesful.

>>2838577
Gamergate was the “Franz Ferdinand” moment that ended up causing millions of millennial and zoomer men to embrace literal Nazism.

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>>2838598
>>2838683
You /pol/tards can give current and future generation /leftypol/ as well as insurance companies some risk relief by killing yourselves before you get old, preferably asap. Acknowledging your free will to save costs some insurance prick might even give you a free pass for using cutting edge western euthanasia tech if you ask nicely.

all generations suck equally, yet differently.

Hot take: boomers get too much hate, gen Xers get too little hate.

Gen Xers (1964-1980) are by far the most right-wing generation. We all like to denounce boomers as “the hippies who voted for Reagan” when gen Xers are largely the anti-globalization vegan punks who ended up voting for Trump. And just like how the Reaganite Neocon-Neoliberal-Evangelical alliance was about making conservatism appeal to hippies, Trumpism is conservatism that appeals to CrimethInc-reading, organic-food eating types. There’s a reason why so many people who were “leftists” back in the 90s-2000s ended up jumping ship for Trump in 2016.



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