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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
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This kind of also ties into "liberty", which in itself is very theoretical. In practice, it's how much power you possess, which is usually in the form of capital nowadays.

>>2933552
By that logic you can never really own anything because someone could just come and take it away from you

>>2933556
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2933557
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2933558
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real



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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
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This kind of also ties into "liberty", which in itself is very theoretical. In practice, it's how much power you possess, which is usually in the form of capital nowadays.

>>2933542
By that logic you can never really own anything because someone could just come and take it away from you

>>2933546
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2933547
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2933548
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real



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LET ME SEE YOUR WAR LIPS YOU BLOODY WANKERS!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cmn0jke547r5o

<If the UK suddenly found itself at war, would you know what to do? Do you know what would be expected of you?


>The government wants us all to start preparing for severe disruption to our lives. It wants us to stockpile canned food and drinking water, strengthen our civic resilience, and plan for the possibility of war.


>Work has begun on the government's so-called "war book", which hasn't been updated in decades.


>The UK's most senior soldier has sounded the alarm. The Chief of the Defence Staff Sir Richard Knighton this week said the threat from Russia meant Britain was living through the "most dangerous" period of his 35-year career in the armed forces.


>But what is the threat? In 1940 the danger of a German invasion of the UK was very real. But the chances of Russian tanks rolling up Whitehall are surely negligible.


>"It's not the tanks you need to worry about," says historian Margaret MacMillan, author of War: How Conflict Shaped Us.

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>>2933229
I am not tallying points, I am having a discussion. The moment friendship occurs is when two people notice they can freely swap places in the status game, e.g. they recognise it as a game and play it. I am simply trying to convey that there is no pure world free of status games amongst humans.

You draw hanania too far. You can explain elements of institutionalised HR wokeness by reference to legal and state structures, but this does not explain the part once termed "SJWism", whereas a dispositional theory - for example - is much more powerful.

There is either no such thing as organic culture (it is all man made) or religion (considered broadly) is an organic phenomenon. I share contempt for that which is generally recognized as religious faith but I do not believe the underlying impulses towards it have been removed from man. Politics, media, fandom, Internet communities, all are ersatz religions in one way or another. (And that's basically a good thing)

>>2933245
>status games
No. Friendship occurs by a dissolution of competing status.
A friend doesn't care what you are signalling to others.
>SJW
Material analysis.
What are the concrete demands of SJWs?
Political, economic and social power, relative to what they consider the hegemony of "straight (cis) white men". It is vulgar class war.
>man-made means inorganic
What? We are humans, so everything we do is "man-made".
>worshipping your own alienation (objectification) is good
You mentioned girard. What does he say about scapegoating, again?
Religion presupposes tribute to an alienated subject through which we become objectified. Capital is idolatry which demands sacrifice, etc.

>>2932820
Not watching all of that though I really don't have that much sympathy for some of these street preachers

>>2933279
By what means is the competition dissolved? By recognising it as a game where one can harmlessly play high or low depending on what is more fun at the time. It never actually disappears: many of the behaviours we engage in with friends only make sense in the context of there still being a generalised status game going on. Plus, of course, we still compete with friends (even if playfully) in various contexts. (Most obviously in actual games, where the general pattern is to try to win, but then switch to letting the friend win if you're winning too much. What most people really want is to be just slightly above their peers, not enough to upset egalitarianism, but not slightly below either…)
Moreover a friend absolutely cares what you signal: try never signalling interest in what they have to say and see how long they remain a friend!

I agree that SJWism is vulgar class war (broadly or functionally, most then-SJWs are now self-proclaimed socialists and communists) but this, if anything, reinforces my point that "wokeness" as a floating signifier includes these people despite the fact their existence is rooted not in a certain legal framework, but in other underlying material conditions. (the ones that have lead basically every first world country to electorally polarise politically by age, education, and to a lesser extent sex) thus, you draw Hanania too far.
>What? We are humans, so everything we do is "man-made".
Yes. All culture is an artificial creation unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of whether some animals have culture. This is precisely my point.

If you look at all the contemporary ersatz-religions save perhaps the global Trump cult, they are less cruel than what has come before. To objectify oneself to Marxism Leninism or the TADC fandom or some other inane cause is a cultural leap ahead of doing so in the name of the supernatural. (Not to be confused with the TV Series Supernatural, you can objectify yourself as a fan of that all you like.)

p.s. stop doing this quote line-by-line thing. You claim not to be here for point-scoring but the only reason to write in such a way is to score points instead of engaging with a post holistically.

>>2928345
Guy who hates the spontaneity of the working class but will do nothing to organise them. There can be no 1917 without 1905.



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What's your take on the coming elections in the demon colony?
I hope that Netanyahu and the extreme right win, it will tarnish Israel's reputation even further + they are very incompetent. If the "moderate" liberal Zionists win it's fucking over. They will present themselves as more sane but will continue dispossessing Palestinians under a nice guy mask.

Basically I see Netanyahu as the Shabtai Tzvi of Zionism.
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>>2932907
GEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>2932954
it was kc tire

>>2932525
Pretty much how I see it. NuttyYahoo will likely win but it doesn't matter. Theres no unfucking the economy, or Negotiating an exit from the war(s). The second the U.S is incapable of projecting power in the middle east. Hez and iran will march into israel like the allies marching into Berlin.

>>2932907
This is more evidence of the upcoming Israeli bond crisis: if you look at the credit rating agencies they have Israel rated way too high, if you look at the interest rates of their bonds they're too low.

it doesn't take a genius to know the fundamentals are fucked up and there's a finger on the scale. Israel is already raiding the deep Forex reserves the ratings agencies are holding up as their excuse, what do they think will happen when more investors judge the risk for themselves and pull out?

>>2932902
Overwhelmingly majority of """israelis""" are comically evil and need to be purged or gulaged en masse, not falling for your humanization of literal sadistic baby killing and torturing subhuman monsters



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In theory, supposed the entire world became a communist, does that status of the world entail the "end of history" for mankind or there could be a new socio economical system after communism too? In other words: is communist society the end of history or we keep evolving forever?

>>2932421
Communism is just the end of history from the basis of the class struggle as it has existed so far. Social evolution will still occur and there will probably be new realms of societal struggle in time.

>>2932421
>keep evolving forever?
I don't see why not. The thing is, Marxism might also die out (at least an "ideology") because there would no longer be a need for it and then people would come up with something different in order to better solve problems that emerge at the stage of an interplanetary civilization. It's not an eternal worldview, it's a historically produced critical theory of a particular social order.

>>2932421
Yes next would be the robot revolution, putting people in the matrix, gray goo, humans becoming the borg, vengeful aliens turning us into postmodern art, that kinda thing.

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>we cant know

>>2932421
Communism is the end of the prehistory of mankind.



 

Israeli forces impose curfew on non-local workers in rural Al-Quneitrah
Israeli forces have warned residents of Hodr village in Al-Quneitrah country that non-local workers will not be permitted to remain past 7:00 PM. Military checkpoints also issued direct warnings to non-local laborers, ordering them to leave the village before the daily deadline
https://www.syriahr.com/en/386593/

Israeli rights groups sound alarm over surge of mostly Palestinian inmates being shot by guards
Physicians for Human Rights Israel and the Public Committee Against Torture (PCATI) in Israel say they have documented 22 cases. One is Israeli; the rest are Palestinian. Nearly all of the shootings have occurred since last autumn, whereas only a handful of such incidents had been documented by these rights groups in the prior decade.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/israeli-rights-groups-sound-alarm-over-surge-mostly-palestinian-inmates-being-shot-guards

Iraqi Kurds suggest peace process between Iran and Iranian Kurdish opposition
It is not the first time that Iran has negotiated with the Iranian Kurds. On 13 July 1989, during negotiations between Iran and Iranian Kurds, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan (PDKI) leader Abdul Rahman Ghassemlou was assassinated in Vienna, while another former leader, Sadegh Sharafkandi in Berlin was assassinated on 17 September 1992. Also in 2011, the PKK-affiliated Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK) and Iran reached a ceasefire agreement after Iran agreed to stop executing Kurdish political prisoners if PJAK ceased its attacks. PJAK did not respond to a request by MEE for comment.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraqi-kurds-suggest-peace-process-between-iran-and-iranian-kurdish-opposition

Albania’s prime minister vows not to resign over student-led protests
The unrest – in contrast to the largely peaceful protests of recent months – marks the veteran leader’s Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Texas prosecutor considering felony charges for ICE agent who ran over man
Sean Teare, district attorney for Harris county, said video of the incident in west Houston on Saturday morning, in which the officer’s unmarked SUV is seen veering into the man as he runs away across an empty parking lot, could support a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/14/texas-ice-agent-assault-charge

Judge finds Elon Musk, Kristi Noem engaged in premeditated campaign to smear ex-FEMA official
A federal judge on Tuesday found that billionaire Elon Musk and former Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, as well as other senior Trump administration officials, engaged in a coordinated campaign to spread false information about a former FEMA official and impugn her integrity.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-kristi-noem-mary-comans-fema-official/

EPA rollbacks could shift pollution costs to NC families, report says
The report, “North Carolina Left Exposed,” was released Wednesday by the Environmental Protection Network, an organization of former EPA officials. It warns that federal changes could shift more responsibility for preventing pollution and paying for its consequences to state agencies and families. The report brings together existing research and policy changes involving PFAS - or forever chemicals, coal ash, animal agriculture and pesticides. It does not provide a new statewide measurement of pollution increases or a total estimate of additional household costs.
https://www.wral.com/news/local/epa-rollbacks-nc-families-pollution-exposure-october-2026/

Georgia man sues Flock, sheriff’s office over alleged ALPR-fueled retaliation
A small-business owner in Georgia has sued Flock and the Coweta County Sheriff’s Office over alleged retaliation using license plate cameras. “[The lawsuit] alleges illegal [license plate tracking] searches over many months without proPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

CP of the Workers of Spain, Building Working-Class Opposition to Capital and Its Governments
The Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Workers of Spain (PCTE), meeting at its Fifth Extraordinary Plenary Session, has analysed the political situation arising from the mobilisations for the right to housing, the calling of an early general election for 29 November, and the announcement of a general strike for 11 November. These events, which have unfolded over the course of just a few weeks, reflect the sharpening of social contradictions that directly affect the living conditions of the working class and pose new tasks for those of us who defend the need for a political alternative independent of the interests of capital. The mobilisations sparked by the eviction of Maricarmen Abascal have once again exposed the severity of the housing problem in our country. Rising rents, difficulties in accessing housing, the inability of large sections of working-class youth to establish independent households, and the insecurity faced by numerous families are all part of a reality that cannot be separated from the general deterioration of the living conditions of our class.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-the-Workers-of-Spain-Building-Working-Class-Opposition-to-Capital-and-Its-Governments/

France: 17 October – towards a revolutionary crisis?
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of workers and youth mobilised across France for the latest in the recent wave of student-led protests sweeping the country. With 90 percent of French universities and hundreds of schools shut yesterday, it is clear that this youth-led movement has not been cowed or diminished in scale, despite brutal police repression. We publish below an article by Jérôme Métellus originally published in French at marxiste.org, which lays out the tasks ahead, if the successes of yesterday’s protests are to be turned into a struggle that can deal a killing blow to the hated Macron government.
https://marxist.com/france-17-october-towards-a-revolutionary-crisis.htm

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visualization of prison population in US // https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/
Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in (RANT Collective) // https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf
database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites // https://alcpress.org/usjails/index.html
list of prison related resources, mailing lists, etc // https://www.prisonactivist.org/resources
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>>2932807
>Do you actually think he is anti-zionist?
Who knows? A lot of people seem to think that Kopmala is this closet socialist and anti-Zionist that really wanted to help Palestine.

>>2932860
>>2932892
Someone please…turn reality back on.

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>>2932514
Sounds good, Plazas are useful.



 

Before you were exploited by actual humans who you might be able to relate to one some level as humans. Now with RentAHuman you can be exploited by soulless inhuman AI "agents."
https://rentahuman.ai/
https://rentahuman.ai/
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>>2914238
You do understand that this AI is rented by a human?

>>2932609
Human is rented by AI

Makes me think I heard two hypothesis about the far future of AI in marxist theory in the framework of a capitalist system, on one hand it could subsume the bourgeoisie and act as the capitalist class, taking decisions regarding investments, political decisions and so on. On the other it would become the worker, competing on the market, reproducing itself, selling its labor power etc. Maybe it'll be both

>>2914238
That's automation of HR's department and temp agencies, not AI becoming Porky.

AI is a scam and most AI companies are bleeding money.



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Is it TRVE that most people will excuse any kind of depravity being commited by their government provided that their basic need are met? If they PERSONALLY live in peace and have a full belly they couldnt give less of a shit about public dismemberments, child floggings, arranged marriages, torture and even mass murder of undesirables of society? If this is true then thats dark as fuck and gives me a good reason to have zero empathy for the working class. If they are going to act like barely sapient animals then maybe they deserve to be treated as nothing more than that by the bourgeoise.
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>>2932564
None of this has anything to do with morals. Being against something that hurts the fellow man is common sense. Not moralism. Especially if its state sponsored.

>Those FUCKING proles won't commit suicide bombings for Palestine! I FUCKING HATE HUMANITY!!

>>2932566
>common sense
Literally the spookiest concept imaginable.

>Is it TRVE that most people will excuse any kind of depravity being commited by their government provided that their basic need are met?
It's not true. Most people are dissatisfied with "their" government and also their lives. The reason they don't rise up in revolt is they are afraid to put their lives on the line and afraid that their situation could be even worse than before if the current system is destabilized.
> If this is true then thats dark as fuck and gives me a good reason to have zero empathy for the working class.
You say this as if you're not yourself dispossessed of the means of production. If you are in fact not a booj, and indeed an Egoist, then you should know having empathy for other proletarians is not what is needed. You need to foment class consciousness among the proletariat because your self interest and the class interest of the proletariat are identical: the overcoming of the subordinate condition, the reappropriation of the means of production for the fulfillment of maximum self interest. Read the Greed Book.

>>2932562
Yes, proles are assholes. That's not the point. People organize for the revolution due to their material interests, not because they're good people. Most proles enjoy casual sadism against minorities. That's not the point.



 

If capitalism were a guy would it be morally acceptable to rape it? I think it would be morally acceptable but im curious to hear what you guys think. I really think this is a necessary step to take to really becoming a leftist
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>>2932510
Literal anthropomorphisation of abstract phenomenon is fascist.


>>2932594
Biopolitics

>>2932595
This still doesn't explain anything.

>>2932593
no it's theist



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