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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2860621
true but I don't think that was for them being social democracies as much as they were closer with the USSR.

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>>2860593
>talking tough over internet slap fights
Holy hell how pathetic can you get

>>2860612
Once Lulu dies from old age the fascists will get their guys in. They will not make the same mistakes Bolsonaro made.
>>2860625
USSR didn't matter in the western hemisphere after they cucked out with the Cuban missile crisis. Real problem for you is why would they let you have a social democracy when banana republics are more profitable and give them tighter control?

>>2860510
Also if you haven't seen this I created a visualization of the 577 people who George Washington held in chattel slavery at Mt Vernon

https://erikhoudini.com/577



 

Would the ruling class actually restort to nuclear armageddon to try to maintain their social class?

It didn't happen during the cold war but we might very well be in the times of a new revolution, and even without that, the israeli regime has the samson option where it nukes itself and its neighbors for a hellish holocaust.
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>>2859470
Maybe although nukes aren't wholly controlled by the bourgeoisie it's actually run by a bunch of Curtis LeMays and 18 year old key turners.

At this point it's kind of like chekhov's nuclear war. It's gonna happen at some point


>>2859470
No. The taboo against nuclear war was established by the modern bourgeoisie (and the social-imperialist Soviet regime) to discredit proletarian revolution. The lie is that nukes are so uniquely destructive and dangerous that class collaboration and quietism are necessary to preserve the survival of humanity.

The truth is that nuclear war is inevitable, desirable, and eminently survivable for an educated and prepared proletarian vanguard.

>>2859470
If the porkies could find a way or make psyche themselves to believe that they would be personally isolated from the primary and secondary effects of a open ended nuclear exchange, where they could reap all the benefits of the elevated rate of profit and possible elimination of geopolitical rivals, without any the downsides. If that were the scenario, they would have probably launched the nukes already. So it's unlikely to be coordinated push towards it. Doesn't mean that they can't get high or ideology, desperation and warmongering and start a conventional war that ends up turning into a nuclear war.

I still think that the greatest buffer against nuclear war, after Russian and Chinese nuclear deterrence are the US military brass who actually have to plan for humanity ending wars and who then push back against the civilian wing of the US state machine, who would have burnt the planet x10 over by now with delusions of assured US and western victory in any and all possible conflict scenarios.



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Prediction (pessimistic): The US government will be overthrown, not by "social fascist" DSA members or by "True marxist leninists" (they don't exist since they are an impossible standard for a westoid to meet) but actual fascists like patriot front or proud boys. The US government will triple down on ethno-nationalism but will recede from the world stage. "Multipolarity" will bloom but will prove to be a farce. "Free trade" will collapse and all countries will be forced to become "self sufficient". This will lead to a period of basically universal Juche style self reliance mixed with ethnonational zionist kibbutz style "socialism." Neofeudal schemes will tie neo-peasants to agriculture since countries will be forced to produce surplus, but neo-peasants will double as neo-proles through digital office jobs. Basically they will grow crops for the state but also be responsible for digital maintenance of statistics. Hyper surveillance will prevent people from hoarding or hiding what they produce. Climate change will make everything harder to grow, the end of free trade will mean that all countries become isolationist and produce for themselves, and ethnonationalism and hyper surveillance will create a self reliant neofeudal national socialist dystopia in each country with its own characteristics. Each country will become an open air fallout vault. Transhumanism and gene editing will result in speciation of humans into several new sub species meant to specialize. Mind altering substances and technology will be used to enforce obedience, and transform pain into pleasure. This will entrench artificial castes and turn life into a hell disguised as heaven.

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Sounds like Pretty Basic Marxism to me.

>>2860175
No this is retarded op the reason is that the American bourgeois gets their profits internationally and they don’t want isolationism in trade they want global super profits the only version of nationalism they like is anti china and anti third world ie convert those regimes to western corporation friendly so bezos can strip mine China and loot it for parts once muh cop is gone and western private equity can buy every apartment building and SOE in China and start extraction of wealth to then

I can see the nazi elements inside the american security apparatus trying to wrestle more direct control from their zionist masters but not much would change for us.

And of course both factions collaborate effortlessly to quash the peons, everything under the heavens being chaos is not in the menu for such scenario.



 

Dear comrades, this is a guide how to fuck the capitalists, every day of your life.

-do not drink Coca Cola, soda. Drink water and green tea (without sugar)
-do not use toothpaste, brush teeth with toothbrush and saliva
-do not use shampoo, it's expensive and toxic
-do not eat processed foods. Eat unprocessed foods and vegetables, cook them
-do not buy expensive computer hardware and do not buy gaming consoles
-do not waste savings and your salary on consumptionism, instead invest everything or give to charities
-do not work and do not pay taxes, collect gibs from gubmint
-choose cheapest internet subscription instead of fast internet
-do not eat fast food, do not go to McDonalds and KFC
-never buy new cars, always buy old cheap cars
-use ad blocker in your web browser (ublock origin)
-spread anticapitalism on forums and social media
-do not use loans and credit cards, except house loan
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>>2859873
>invest everything
Capitalists hate when you invest!

>>2860110
>Capitalists hate when you invest!
Actually, yes, they do.
They want the proletariat to be without assets, without housing, renting everything from the capitalists. They want you to own nothing.

I will do this.

Thanks

Garbage thread.

tldr: some decent anti-consumerism advice, with some harmful ignorant nonsense sprinkled in because why not (unironically you would have been better off suggesting urine and baking soda than "brush your teeth with nothing HURRR", you can die from advice this bad)



 

And with that, the Right Wing ideology has captured the government of everything single South America country, ironically, on the leftern side of the continent.

The only technical standout is Fujimori in Peru, granted she is 40k votes ahead and mathematically locked in, unless the recount reshapes the race entire in the direction of the left, which is mathematically unlikely.
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>>2846743
>>2855082
Argie trots are morenistas, they support NATO and shit lol

>>2857837
Proof?

>>2857837
>Trot supports NATO
water is wet

>>2857846
"Trot" barely means anything when it can be a crypto-councilist, a DPRK stan or a neocon

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you stupid faggots need to accept that there's nothing worth saving in south america



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Haben sich nicht genug Berufssoldaten gefunden, die sich freiwillig nach Litauen stationieren lassen, jetzt wird verfplichtet.


>>2859398
Wie zerserzt man heutzutage Wehrkraft?

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>labor shortages
<rising unemployment

>>2859861
First pic shows freimaurer asking proletarians to work more, second pic shows proletarians forcing freimaurers to work more.



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2833861 (me)
>black in touch

I was gonna be mad at autocorrect but this in fact an improvement

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>>2705142
>The tight bond between Israel and the Five Eyes nations isn't about shadowy control and blackmail; it's structural kinship

Russian revolution happened spontaneously from worker organizing, lenin was just writing stuff in a newspaper, then the bolsheviks cherrypicked whichever articles he wrote retroactively fit the course of revolution

Thinking one guy's newspaper articles can change world history is idealism and voluntarism

>>2752892
This anon is going to be fighting for the Islamic State 10 years later. Remember this post.

>>2834499
>X isn't Y, it's Z!
I feel bad for anyone who uses this logic chain online because they're just going to get typecast as ChatGPT by cynics from now until the end of time.



 

In 2017 when Jason Kessler launched the biggest white nationalist rally in the US in a very long time, with 1,500 people attending, it got violently interrupted by counterprotests. Afterwards, the Daily Stormer got kicked from its hosting and didn't find a stable host until 6 months later in February 2018 when they settled with Eranet and Bitmitigate. In 2017, the alt-right was lead by Richard Spencer. Lots has changed since, but in the end, it didn't kill the fringe right it only slowed down their progress by a few years. In 2017, the percent of neo-nazis in America was 9% but alt-right was 10%. In 2021, that number grew after the January 6 protests. More people started supporting the rioters. But yet while the alt-right did die off after the Atomwaffen-Satan drama in early 2018 after that Kiwi Farms thread was created and somebody took screenshots from the BowlPatrol discord server, and the Ricky Vaughn drama that would happen later over TRS 504um. In 2018, so much happened. First the cuckboxing, then Alex Jones getting banned from YouTube. Google rolled out its biggest ever crackdown on "extremist content" in August 2017 after Charlottesville with Jared Taylor's video "race differences in intelligence" getting put in a limited state first. But recently, people have simply adapted to Google's algorithm and YouTube is starting to look a lot like it did in 2016 during the election cycle before the crackdowns. Arthur Kwon-Lee, Jiang Xueqin, and many others are talking openly about the J00s, and comment sections simply use words that don't trigger the algorithm. It's like Google simply abandoned their initial censorship. Videos no longer get put in limited states like they used to, and more alt-right content is flourishing. Antifa? I haven't heard from them in a while. You would expect heavier resistance against ICE, but yet that was reserved mostly for the early Trump presidency. I don't hear from them no more hardly. There are #NoKings protests, but the left is nowhere near as radical as they used to be back in the 2010s. I think the second Trump administration basically cracked down on all of them.
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>>2858866
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Yes and no

Yes, things have gotten worse as the fascists consolidate power and this will only get worse until AI and climate change starts genociding the global north after killing everyone else.

No, the "left" hasn't changed; it's equally milquetoast in it's response to fascism and bourgies were never on our side.

I think the real solution is permaculture and lucid dreaming as opposed to proselytizing a specific ideology and I'm guessing you're already doing the former.
And TBH, I am also supportive of reform on the local level, because that is, evidently, the only level where you can change anything (And I mean on the level of individual towns and neighborhoods).

Glowie thread

'alt right' to the rest of the world is just the same usian liberalism

not my problem

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>>2859716
>permaculture and lucid dreaming
Are you obtiomaxxing?

Patriot Front in the US Capital (Washington D.C.)

They seem to be very disciplined and organised, from the metro cards, to the shields and uniforms, almost paramilitary like. But it is likely to be unpopular with the public, relative to the overly militant image, however like other fascist groups, have done propaganda around aid.

The American Left should continue to focus on legal means, such as elections and national political organisations, like the DSA as the largest example, and smaller ones like PSL or CPUSA (who should be absorbed). This neo-kautskyist or leninist method of socialism through democratic means, seems to be a slow but sure method.

However black bloc tactics clearly do not work in the west, or other civic tactics against the fascists.

You Americans, are privileged to have a level of freedom, that would allow you to form similar uniformed organisation(s) (separate from the likes of the DSA, PSL, CPUSA).

There exists a few left gun clubs, like the John Brown Club and Socialist Rifle Association, who educate on firearms training and also do mutual aid; but at the least these groups could be mirror uniformed organisations, just as disciplined, to the patriot front, standing opposite them, just as a threat without committing any action, and if shit goes down, they are not the first to fire or bludgeon.



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2859423
Making the prediction that 2028 will be similar to 1824 or 1856.

>>2859461
Third-worldists have always been self-hating westerners, feds, or misanthopes dressing their rhetoric in "leftish" sounding language.

Stop being spooked.

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>>2859390
the kids are alright

>>2859390
What does the missing ten percent of millennials prefer?
CapCom?



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What are your thoughts on them? Here was their 10 point platform:

  1. Full endorsement and support of Black Panther Party’s 10-Point Program.

  2. Total assault on the culture by any means necessary, including rock ’n’ roll, dope and fucking in the streets.

  3. Free exchange of energy and materials — we demand the end of money!

  4. Free food, clothes, housing, dope, music, bodies, medical care — everything free for everybody!

  5. Free access to information media — free the technology from the greed creeps!

  6. Free time and space for all humans — dissolve all unnatural boundaries.

  7. Free all schools and all structures from corporate rule — turn the buildings over to the people at once!
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>>2859107
>ultras
boogeyman term that means nothing

>>2859399
Once capitalism reaches a certain stage the superstructure overtakes the structure and the latter ceases to exist in political terms

>>2859412
This would go hard if I was illiterate and retarded.

I always wonder do these people realize that what they want has nothing to do with communism or do they just see all struggles against bigger powers as part of the same struggle

>>2859419
You know if you plan on being a one world government you are gonna have to get into the weeds on issues that aren’t strictly economic right?

>>2859399
>>2859399
>The programme explicitly calls for the end of money.

Still better than the USSR lol.



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