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>>2686665

>abrahamic

>look inside
>anglogermans

i was going to put the "is da joos/ no it's the germans" meme here but it seems to be lost media since my old Xitter account got deleted.

>>2686757
>Itz da goyiiiim jesvs wuz wide oy vey!
No one will fall for your chutzpah

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>>2686771

i couldn't care less what you do uygha

>>2686865
Cool it with the anti-goy remarks

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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Smoke A Super Bowl Edition


💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2686882
not really

>>2686879
>Can't get food stamps without an address, can't get an address without wages, wages don't pay enough to pay rent, can't use a motel as an address.
idk this sounds like lies. the mass tor baiter told my you live in a mansion and get free stuff when no job.

>>2686927
He hasnt couped enough latin american goverments this week

>>2686720
holy shit that first guy is insufferable wtf

>>2686720
Also why is singing in a choir good? That seems like some real asshattery, cringe as fuck, is that what second worldism is? Communism by power of cringe?



 

Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.

The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.



 

Mine is Bill Clinton.
>let people get slaughtered at the LA riots while the National Guard did nothing
>killed a man's 14 year old son and wife as she held her baby in her arms after feds targeted the man's house when US marshals lured the man's family dog out on the lawn so they could shoot it, but it backfired after they killed it and the family friend (Kevin Harris) fired back, killing US marshal Degan (rest in piss)
>killed 88 people in the Waco siege when feds besieged a church (which the media erroneously referred to as "a compound"), including men, women, children, the elderly and four of their own agents they killed to blame the Branch Davidians (you can clearly see an officer shoot himself in the leg while climbing up the steps to the roof while another three got killed inside from shots coming from outside the house that you can clearly see didn't come from within the building because you can see bulletholes in the roof from an armed attack helicopter. Federal agents and marshals posed with the rubble over the children they just burned alivs, tortured via sleep deprivation and bright floodlights for months.
>invaded Kosovo and ethnically cleansed Serbs for the Albanian terrorists (KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!)
>passed the AWB (Assault weapons Ban) in 1994, which really solidified everything wrong with this cocksucker of a president.
>passed the first federal sex offender registry laws… even though he took flights to Epstein island
>passed anti-black crime bills that used overpolicing as a tactic to reduce the crime problem
Fuck. This. Cocksucker. And Lyndon Baines Johnson is burning in hell right now.
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>>2684730
Wow this shit got my eyes wide open

>>2684581
first place: andrew johnson
second place: trump
third place: reagan

>>2686217
Trump is top 5 because hes crashing USA with no survivors.

Woodrow Wilson sucked a fat dick

william mckinley:
>massive promoter of manifest destiny
>promised to get america an empire
>took over hawaii
>took over most of spain's territories promising independence to the people but kept the colonies under a tighter control than the spanish, even now purto rico is still a territory
>is heavily looked up to by donald trump and is pretty much the only president trump has quoted



 

I'm looking for some really lame super pragmatic minimal market socialism for the sake of giving imagination-gap terminally reform-brained normies a concrete thing they can work with.

Specifically I was looking for something which while maintaining distributed capital markets also gets rid of rewards for nonproductive actors. I didn't exactly find this, but I did find Roerner's Equal Shares proposal this follows:

>Every adult citizen would receive from the state treasury an equal endowment of coupons, that can be used only to purchase shares of mutual funds. Only coupons can be used to purchase shares of mutual funds, not money. Only mutual funds can purchase shares of public firms, using coupons. Prices of corporate shares and mutual funds are, hence, denominated in coupons; they will oscillate depending on the supply and demand for shares. Citizens are free to sell their mutual-fund shares for coupons, and to reinvest the coupons in other mutual funds. Finally, firms may exchange coupons with the state treasury for investment funds, and may purchase coupons from the treasury with money. This is the only point at which coupons exchange for money. These investment funds play the role of equity in the firm. (p. 20)


>A share of a firm entitles the owning mutual fund to a share of the firm's profits, and a share of a mutual fund entitles the owning citizen to a share of the mutual fund's revenues. When a citizen dies, his mutual fund shares must be sold and the coupon revenues are returned to the state treasury. The treasury in turn issues coupon endowments to citizens reaching the age of majority. (p. 20)


Anyway this proposal seemed to get reasonably close to what I was "looking for". I'm still not sure however if it's productive to advertise this sort of thing to others. Is it a useful strategy to build these sort of concrete programs. Further about this plan in particular is it really what anyone is after? Is there an effective even more reform minded solution that still removes rewards for unproductive actors - or at least as this one does makes such rewards equal?
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Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:

(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.

(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.

(iii) Confiscation of the possessions of all emigrants and rebels against the majority of the people.

(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.

(v) An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

(vi) Centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with state capital, and the suppression of all private banks and bankers.

(vii) Increase in the number of national factories, workshops, railroads, ships; bringing new lands into cultivation and improvement of land already under cultivation – all in proportion to the growth of the capital and labor force at the disposal of the nation.
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1.Changes in organic composition of capital means that manufacturing share of labour will no longer absorb a huge amount of workers. You can't just deploy workers in a factory anymore, with how complicated and automated shit are nowadays. However I can see on-demand labour deployment in agriculture or services, India and China already do this, however this means that difference between productive capital and rent extraction becomes nul since there are no moe productive, industrial capital.
2.>state owned enterprises competing with private enterprise at low surplus margins and with low managerial salaries
This is my second biggest problem. Everything you said here, from implementation of labour vouchers to universal compulsory education to concentration of capital required an enormous, massive and powerful managerial bureaucracy, which you will need to pay and train significantly more than the average proles. You want to have your cake and eat it too; a state that needs massive managerial bureaucracy but also one without a nomenklatura. This is not gonna happen, because bureaucratic work by its nature is specialized.
3. >Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.
>cap hours allowed to be worked per week and implement more robust welfare
My third biggest problem. Having full employment will result in a massive demand increase. Since we control capital we can prevent inflationary pressure on the currency equivalent but we will still be left with a skyrocketing demand for consumer and industrial goods. Unless you want to face goods shortage you have to crank up working hours instead of reducing them. Again a case of having your cake and eat it too.
However, this is already a step in the right direction. We need labour creation and mobilization program. And we need a massive, well paid bureaucracy to do that. The rest of your platform just need some moderation

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>>2639546
Dengism

>>2652538
Nah, it's fine. Most of the non-cyclical and nin-habbening threads here are shit tier bait.

>>2652538
No, honestly it's fine, better than most the pure dogshit of the catalogue recently.
>>2686335
>cyclical and habbening threads
You lot barely post in them, instead preferring to learn nothing and endlessly bicker in whatever batch of nonsense threads, usually downstream of this weeks twitter engagement-slop.



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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American thread with American-tier posts.

>>2649389
>full of contradictions
such as? locke's concept of property as being based in mixing labour and nature is the same basis from which marx proceeds:
<Private property is first considered only in its objective aspect – but nevertheless with labour as its essence.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm
with justice equally being based in the right one possesses in his legitimate property, as marx further agrees with:
<This sphere that we are deserting, within whose boundaries the sale and purchase of labour-power goes on, is in fact a very Eden of the innate rights of man. There alone rule Freedom, Equality, Property and Bentham.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm
<There is here, therefore, an antinomy, right against right, both equally bearing the seal of the law of exchanges.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm
this "bourgeois right", marx extends down to the primary phase of communist society:
<Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it […] Hence, equal right here is still in principle – bourgeois right
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
>It heavily inspired the French Revolution with their slogan of "liberty, equality, and fraternity"
locke's contributions in terms of slogans is more relevant to "life, liberty and the pursuit of property", equally appreciated by jean-jacques rousseau and thomas jefferson in the french and american revolutions, with the declaration of independence also highlighting the "consent of the governed", a notion of a "social contract", thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2649413
i would suggest you read "brave new world" (1932)

>>2649413
>What to do with the remaining 95%?
They waste time consuming AI entertainment.

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>>2524229
U weren’t a kang



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>leftypol: uwu we need to be careful not to spread antisemitism (which is uniquely evil and just another form of ethnic hatred) when attacking zionists and we need to be careful when addressimg the bourgeoisie
>also not all pedos are bad!!
<literal liberal wine moms: kill all bourgeois pedo zionists, proletarian dictatorship NOW
why the difference?
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(((leftypol))) is a neocon board

>literal liberal wine moms: uwu we need to be careful not to spread antisemitism (which is uniquely evil and just another form of ethnic hatred) when attacking zionists and we need to be careful when addressimg the bourgeoisie
>also not all pedos are bad!!
<redditor libs: kill all bourgeois pedo zionists, proletarian dictatorship NOW

FTFY

Antisemitism is the only form of bigotry that should be allowed on all websites.

>also not all pedos are bad!!
Where has anybody ever said this?

antisemitism is an excuse to deny oneself a comprehensive analysis of society, as lenin tells us.



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You know, I came to the conclusion Zionism cannot have any kind of materialist explanation, because it's not capitalism or whatever, it's simply a cult that must dismantled by humanity together.

Trying to understand Zionism as anything other than a cult will result in failure.
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Also I will always make the point that Judaism is NOT an Ethno-religion. This is just bullshit made up by Zionists and holds up to zero scrutiny whatsoever.
Judaism wasn't ethnic based in classical times.
Judaism was never ethnic based in medieval times (different Jewish ethnic groups existed from Ethiopians to Chinese to Ashkenazi)
"Jew" in European context = Ashkenazi.
Israel itself in pracitce doesn't view it as a ethno-religion. There is a real heirarchy of ethnicities in Israel with Ashkenazi being the top, Mizrahi trailing far behind, and groups like Ethiopian, Kaifeng etc basically considered LARPers. (despite Ethiopian Jews being arguably one of the earliest and unbroken Jewish groups)
Even the Nazis didn't target all Jews as a ethnicity, but Ashkenazi, other Jewish groups were largely ignored showing even more Jew = Ashkenazi.
If you believe Judaism is a ethnicity due to cultural practice, not all Jews have the same cultural practice (even among ashkenazi, russian saboteur comes from a Western jewish insult against Russian/Eastern European Jews) and if this were true, then if you put up a Christmas Tree surely you are Ethnically Christian. Christianity also holds all that accept Christ are of the same "nation" (ethnicity/people).
Pre-WW2 the idea Jews were all the same was seen as absurd by most Jews.
<there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries – through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race. The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they certainly do not belong to the same nation. - Edwin Montagu, arguably the most powerful Jewish political figure in the world at the time, 1917

>da joos wanting to have their own state mean they are demons from hell

>>2686248
this but unironically

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>>2686248
>poor little jews just want their own state which is why every western politician needs to be bribed by Israel, why we need to send them billions every year, fight their wars, and arm them to the teeth, oh and we need antisemitism laws to stop you talking about any of that. If you disagree with any of this you're just an antisemite

>>2686258
who says that on this website



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Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
I live in the United States and we were always taught that he did but it was somehow a good thing. I understand that Gorbachev wasn't the one who collapsed it and that it was Yeltsin who did, Gorbachev's reforms just caused it to happen because it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up, but I still think he is somewhat responsible. It was reckless and stupid to abandon Marxism-Leninism for Social Democracy and it was also reckless to let the eastern bloc have elections knowing that the CIA would mess with them which they did. I understand that stagnation was a problem but he should of listened to Deng's advice rather than allow so much nationalist sentiment to brew up and illegally dismantle your country, I understand that the USSR kind of sucked domestically but foreign-policy wise it was the most moral superpower to ever exist, and the bar is very low.

>>>/Draw/5715
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>>2654366
You are retarded. Self-humiliation through stupidity

>>2653020
Nope. He was 50 years late with his reforms.

I've gone through the reasons for the collapse of the USSR numerous times, so I can't be bothered to write out another several thousand word post, so just quick pointers.
- Inherited shitty Tsarist institutions and adopted nomenklatura as the way to rise up through the party
- This meant the entire system created a system of nepotism + merits. Instead of working together, people gamed the system to sabotage rivals instead making them look better.
- Purges happened, Communists didn't know how to shut their mouths and fell to libtard rivals who played the game.
- Stalin dies, Libtards come to power
- Destalinization is really just Decommunization-lite
- Soviet ministry of finance becomes more powerful as Financialization starts to occur, they start sabotaging the central statisics bureau with funding cuts. This means GOSPLAN starts to falter and reforms like OGAS (Soviet internet) get canned.
- 1965 reforms come in pushed by Kyosgin and Liberman, within 5 years these plans will kill functional central planning and GOSPLAN in the USSR. By 1970, not a single top down target is being met or cared about.
- This empowers the Red Directors of Industry, they become even more insanely corrupt and basically will only do their jobs if you bribe them, this attitude of quid pro quo sweeps across the USSR, to even see a doctor you need to bring a "gift" or to get a decent cut of meat you bring a gift to the butcher etc.
- Brezhnev is just a military/heavy industry brained nationalist, who empowers other nationalist allies across the USSR.
- So now you have Nationalist presidents + Red Directors who are functional Capitalists.
- Andropov comes in, KGB, wants to reform the USSR, brings all sorts of advisors in, basically ends up with a more Xi-style approach, anti-corruption, light economic reforms, clamp down on social degeneracy and restore Communist values
- Dude dies from Type 1 Diabetes as soon as his reforms start to see results
- Dude brought back literally exiled Capitalist shitlibs just to see what they had to say, now they are at the top of the USSR advisory apparatus.
- They get a puppet in, they seize their opportunity with help from the Red Directors and Nationalist Presidents.
- *Komm Susser Todd starts playing*

Gorbachev was just the culmination of nearly half a century effort by opportinists to dismantle the soviet system

>I understand that [Great Man] wasn't the one who collapsed [supposed mode of production with full-on class dictatorship] it and that it was [other Great Man] who did
Shit website



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GESTURE OF GOODWILL TO WASHINGTON edition

https://www.rt.com/russia/614918-kiev-cannot-control-military-kremlin/
>The Kremlin then said that it intended to maintain the 30-day partial ceasefire as a gesture of goodwill to Washington, even if Kiev fails to honor it.

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
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>>2686237
>Ukrainian conspiracy theory
That IS the MSM narrative when anybody presses on post 2014 fate or will of the people of donbass and eastern Ukrainian russia speakers in general. There never was any problems or hostility in donbass before Russian intelligence rolled in with agitators and crates full of weapons. Everybody all across Ukraine more or less loved the maidan movement. Any bloodshed is fully Russia's fault.

Though nobody speaks about it anymore. Narrative from kiev towards donbass has for years been low key "death to the traitors". And by narrative I mostly mean the shells that still flew into Donetsk a couple of years ago. Western media just skips the issue totally. Pretends that there is no implications (the pits, rifles and concrete poured over the bodies) of Ukraine wanting to liberate that area and the people inhabiting it, while the people are fighting against Ukraine, first mostly alone and now as part of the RUAF.

The problem with Ziggers asserting that eastern Ukraine was full of Russian sympathizers is that if that really had been true their military would not have been stuck there for 4+ years and they would have quickly rolled over the area. The FSB was paying Ukrainian informants who told them they would be welcomed with flowers and parades and when that didn't happen and there was no mass revolt welcoming the Russians, they all got stuck in a meat grinder.

In truth, most Ukranians (west or east doesn't matter) have no dog in this fight. They don't like Zelensky's conscription goons but they also don't like Putin rolling in with the tanks. Most if given the choice would like to flee the country to Europe or any other safe haven.

>>2686267
>In truth, most Ukranians (west or east doesn't matter) have no dog in this fight.
Maybe not originally. Now however everybody in the east and west knows that Kiev is a deathcult that will not accept any negotiated settlement, or end for the war that isn't fully on their terms and they will fight to the last Ukrainian to avoid humiliation, if it's left up to them. For many Ukrainians Russian victory is a matter of survival and the fastest road for the end of the war. That road is still a bloody road.

>>2686267
Civilians haveno weapons, you tard.




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