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Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
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>>2764834
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>>2761954
She was right about a lot of things but her general reactionary disdain for men convinced me that Feminism is not inherently compatible with Leftism and we need to be very careful allying with Men of Wo. Most self-identified radfems are just left-wing out of self-interest and not any kind of idealistic belief in improving the world or helping their fellow man, just themselves and their own kind. Cut a radfem and a tribalist class traitor bleeds. They're also often responsible for extremely reactionary policy under the guise of "protecting women" like banning porn or requiring age verification online or mass surveillance.

Maybe I'm just a chud though.

>>2765361
They're obviously driven by some sort of grievance with men, and use leftist logic to further their aims, by framing women as inherently the oppressed class. It's all bullshit.

>>2764793
Les ritals sont en chaleur c'est scientifiquement prouvé

>>2765361
why is banning porn "extremely reactionary"?



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Why are crippled homeless beggars, disabled and rich Mafia all lumped together as Lumpenproles?

Seems hella weird rich criminals being in that group according to Karl Marx.

>>2764312
because they are free minded and can't be used as a tool for le revolution

>>2764312
there's arguments that mafia would be more considered "lumpenbourgeoisie"
But the real answer is these groups don't organize because they have no real economic or political power, especially homeless beggars.

>>2764314

There is class hereirchy in the mob too though. you have the working class members earning and the rich elites on top. and marx and engels werent using dialetical materialism to criticize lumpens they were mostly just doing moral liberal panic over the "anti-social" behaviors of the lowest workers because marx was poor but still a petite bourgeois academic would be no different than some gentry marxist moving in a seattle condo then saying the way the workers behave is too crude

>>2765610
Booklet. M&E recorded several (anti-monarchist) revolutions where lumpen were bought to fight for the status quo.



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the fundamental flaw of marxism is that it is built around the idea of ONE contradiction being the motor of capitalism's development, namely what is manifest in the value form. this is merely the contradiction between proletariat and capitalist. but of course there is the contradiction between the capitalist and the capitalist, as well as the contradiction between the form of bourgeois institutions and their actual content insofar as they are in a material relationship with the capitalist class

what we have seen is that after the falling rate of profit has progressed a certain point, capitalists realized that the first contradiction was no longer tenable to work with and so they moved to the other two. this has resulted in a qualitatively distinct transformation of the development of capital. in the contradiction of the value form, still working within the logic of value, the only salient variable is productivity. however, in capitalist vs capitalist and capitalist vs government power relations they no longer need to concern themselves with such things. it does not matter that the rate of profit is zero or even negative if you just fucking kill your competition and have the govt print infinite money. the solution to capital's first contradiction really is just have more war and sabotage everyone else whilst introducing financialization bullshit. look at netflix. they actively undercut blockbuster whilst losing money just to push their opponent into bankruptcy. that is just what is normal now, cannibalism

this is why ofc there will be no revolution because the contradictions at play have nothing to do with prole cattle. they are just pawns in the larger game. in the context of disputing wages, there is a clear connection between one's class position and what is the natural progression with respect to how to address things. in such contexts, class consciousness is something very simple to promote. this is not the case when its having a war with the national bourgeois of another country, or heck in the future two megacorporations just fucking killing each other mafia-style. that is what will happen btw. the iran war will crash the economy and corporations will capitalize on the chaos to balkanize western states into feudal shitholes. then eventually you will have these "freedom cities" hurling drones at each other and any prole cattle that thinks of objecting to this will be preemptively executed why palantir technology

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>>2764058
I think that's more of a caricature of the dialectic. It's more that something can be "false" but also express something real or be internally coherent even if it breaks down.

>>2760716
>we see empirically that after every crisis, monopolies only grow stronger. in fact the most powerful bourgeois WANT crises, staglation, wars, etc because the chaos allows them to advance their capitalization
Empirically, this is wrong. The bourgeoisie generally don't want crises (depends on the crisis, but they tend to create unpredictability, which can be expensive to manage), they absolutely do not want stagflation (and they're willing to fuck over everyone else to ensure it doesn't happen, see Paul Volcker's tenure at the Fed), and they usually don't want war (depends on the industry they're involved in, the particulars of the war, and how they're positioned in relation to it).


>>2764058
That isn't how dialectic works in Hegel or Marx. The equations are abstractly juxtaposed, and "synthesis" isn't equivalent to adding the two equations together then dividing them by two.

Thesis-antithesis-synthesis was actually Fichte (at least in one of his many different presentations of the Wissenschaftslehre). Hegel actually criticized Fichte for it, although it's true that Hegel has sometimes been taught this way despite that.

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>>2765325
>the bourgeois generally […]
they are not a unitary class. the smaller bourgeois obviously do not like any of these things but the larger ones absolutely love all of these things as it allows them to expand their share of assets thanks to private equity. this is because it is not about profit as such but differential accumulation. power only means something in comparison to something else. mere cost doesnt matter. if everyone is suffering then the larger entities will be the last to fall under and file bankruptcy

>>2765453
idk why but the site was not letting me put one of the links i wanted to …? anyways aside from those graphs i got from another blog, here is another example given by the casp folks
https://capitalaspower.com/2023/09/bichler-nitzan-the-capital-as-power-approach-an-invited-then-rejected-interview/
>In ‘Going Global: The Great U-Turn in South Africa and Israel’,111 we argued that, by the 1980s, the dominant capital groups in the two countries had grown too large for their respective home markets, and that in order to continue their differential accumulation, they had to break through their ‘national envelopes’ and go global. However, conflict-related sanctions and boycotts on the two countries made significant outward capital movement difficult if not impossible. Moreover, and perhaps more importantly, the global stagflation of the 1970s and 1980s provided their dominant capital groups with a massive differential windfall: global inflation multiplied the price of gold many times over and in so doing boosted the differential profit of the South African conglomerates, while the depth-driven conflicts of the Middle East caused military production and exports by the Israeli holding groups to thrive. And as long as these differential boosts continued, a large chunk of the capitalist ruling classes in the two countries remained seated on the fence. They wanted the conflicts to end so that they could go global, but with their depth-driven differential accumulation being so lucrative, they were willing to wait. It was only with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening for business of the former Communist Bloc, the rise of emerging markets and the consequent global shift from depth to breadth that they finally got off the fence to openly support the end of Apartheid and reconciliation with the Palestinians. And it were these inner realignments of the elites, we argued, that tipped the balance in favour of the U-turns and serve to explain why the two U-turns were, at least initially, relatively peaceful. It seems that, when it comes to the accumulation of power and the associated creordering of the world, the ups and downs of inflation, just like the amalgamPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

the fundamental flaw of Marxism is that naming your world view and identity after another man is homo-idolatry. On another note, ACAB also includes therapists.



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>Previous Bake
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<47th Thread for 47th President Edition


Latest News
>Oil dipped today as Trump TACOs yet again
<Ladybugs Graham is getting cold feet on further Iran fighting
>More problems in USA like sex scandals becoming public and Ballroom malfunctions are distracting Trump
<Autists confirmed that Saudi Arabia is used for strikes (Saudis lied yet again)
>US Defense Secretary Hegseth's broker looked to buy defense fund before Iran attack, FT reports
<Tomahawks are depleted
>Fizzlers are ascending except in Lebanon as Hezbollah is engaging in heavy fighting with IOF

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>>2765348
see >>2765159, first picrel.

>>2765340
What about boobs on the ground?

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giga fizzle
nothing ever happens
you still have to go to work tomorrow

>>2765343
the old fat pedo turd can now sense that everyone around him is doubting or disgusted with him, so he's reducing his circle to only the most committed zionist warmongers and trump personality cultists



 

Going out on a real limb here and being genuine.
I've got a really long history I'm not gonna Dear Diary about, but I've been around a bit.
Even though I was part of various groups that are Alt-Right I have always had various Left-of-Center beliefs. I felt like I was the only one that understood the
>socialist
aspects of various camps for a while.
Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
>and I've been to prison so I have a wide berth of experience with shit people
and I want off the fucking ride.
I can't say I don't believe in some
>"Right-of-Center"
things and I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
I actually have read lots of Leftist literature like Marx and Engels and a few others. Maybe they aren't really
>Leftist
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>>2764329
For what? Love to know what rule I broke.

>>2764341
the implicit rule of not being a dumb frogposter

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>>2764351
Pepe & Pepo make me laugh and that's not liable to change any time soon.

>>2764326
>This hasn't ever been achieved anymore than any White Power movement in the United States has succeeding in getting closer to a Fourth Reich. Every single Communist country has been almost entirely homogenous in every way - it was Russian imperialism upon Eastern European countries that made them hate Communism far more than anything Communism itself did or whether or not it was being practiced correctly.

Big joke, all communist revolutions were not homogeneous with communists of various races, contrary to the fantasy you have in your head. You don't understand what imperialist capitalism is; read "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" about the dominance of finance capital as inevitable in the competition and accumulation of capital. All bourgeois states will be overthrown, the supremacy of the proletariat will be established, and any counter-revolutionary, reformist, liberal, and reactionary will be re-educated and punished for denying the new ruling class. Your opinion, apologists of the bourgeoisie and tradition, means nothing to me and will be crushed. I don't value sentimentality and nostalgia from lackeys of finance capital who will eventually be discarded by the bourgeoisie.

>Yeah that's not gonna happen for people with a healthy relationship with their own identity - nobody wants to be a Kalergite Bugman in the Global Communist Crusade.


Wrong, workers will form socialist culture without chauvinism or reactionary influence, without private property and social classes to feed false consciousness. This will be done in a socialist economy without profit.

>What culture? You're gonna end up destroying it and replacing it with something artificial in it's place by the bayonet. Somehow this was also not OK when the British Empire or any other Western European Empire did it… but now it's really swag for Commies to?


The socialist culture that will exist in socialist society and will form within it without the exploitation of man by man, acting and organizing collectively according to the economic plan to meet the needs of the workers. The British Empire initially served the interests of its ruling class, the aristocracy, and eventually the bourgeoisie, to accumulate capital. If you had read the text "The Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2764326
If you're too lazy to read, then I'll leave you with a quote from Lenin about what imperialist capitalism is:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:


<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.


<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

Proletarian internationalism is a duty, no matter what you complain about, and all bourgeois states will be overthrown for the supremacy of the proletariat, no matter your opinion or your outrage.



 

Capitalism is social and existential vampirism.
If capital is the value of exploitation, then we have capitalism as a way of life that one person benefits from the disgrace of other people.
It is a threat to society disguised as freedom and excellence.
Am I right?
Notice that I am a little high.

Capitalism is also morally and aesthetically despicable.
It is a void of being that pushes people into a combo of non-existence + negative work.
It makes me really sad.

Correct, the amoral aspect of capitalism is a correct and calud criticism of it, despite what sone dogmatic leftists believe.

>>2765315
I dont consider myself a scientist, maybe a philosopher or a mystic. I have read some things, but I prefer creating my own worldview based on what I read.
To me, capitalism is morally wrong because everything that is not morally good (like seeking the truth, listening to good music, making love in some way) is actually bad and not just "neutral".
That's where my idea of capitalism as a social and existential void comes from. It literally sucks life from good people and give it to someone who doesn't really care about nothing.
Non-beings and ugly people pretending they are, while good and exceptional stuff being always tossed away and repressed.
I have no idea where this comes from, but I think socialism is a good way of fixing it.

>>2765339
It's the human essence recognizing capitalism is flawed, in the same manner animals in zoos go crazy

Funny thing is, if you take morals out of the equation it’s still a pretty shit system.



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in setting oneself against the status-quo and against capitalism, which is the correct thing to do because the status quo and capitalism have many flaws, most people drift into a certain mistaken mode of thinking: capitalism is bad, and whatever is against capitalism is good.

this is a sort of moralistic mode of thinking. it works for individual relationships (john is bad, the enemy of john is my friend) but terribly for modes of social organization. capitalism is good compared to feudalism, capitalism is bad compared to communism. obviously marx understood this and any marxist could tell you that in theory capitalism is "historically progressive" - but look in practice and you'll find that the ire of the communist is always directed more strongly at the capitalist than at any worse alternative. were (somehow) a feudalist counter-revolution to break out in some far flung country, you can bet /leftypol/ would critically support it against US imperialism. we have had our contingent of Trump contrarians, and very few of them pre-2024 were advocating for him on the basis that he'd totally screw the US and clear the way for China to become a world power. no, if that happens it'll be a fluke.

this is important for two reasons:
  1. on the question of how to organize a capitalist economy, conventional economics is more right than it is given credit for. there is no rational reason for socialists to instinctively side with every loser under the status quo. in many cases, socialists should in fact be pushing for "neoliberal" policies that neoliberals themselves have chickend out on. why is it that of all bourgeoise, owners of coca-cola bottling plants are specially isolated from competition by regulation? why should car dealerships have a special carve-out from the market mechanism that gives them greater subsidies and while making the consumer - that is, often, a proletarian - pay more?
  2. most of the possible alternatives to the status quo are worse. you will see more and more language that vaguely evokes the pre-neoliberal status quo, and you shouldn't be baited into supporting it. a protectionist turn against free trade, more in-sourcing of strategic goods, greater domestic investment in (military) industry, and so on, funded of course by a stripping of social protections. if you thought living in a market focused only on trade was bad, wait until you get the thrills of a non-market focused only on war.
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> look at china
China operates by the “light-heavy” principle when it comes to the market. It’s not a neoliberal “free-market” and still purposely maintains SOEs which is why neoliberal capitalists in the U.S. are still pissy.

>>2764291
Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention. The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital, since China can pump out 100 cheap EVs for one dogshit F-150.

>>2764291
the US has just as much state aid and protection even if it doesn't have ownership
indeed, regulation and protection from failure matters far more than ownership in terms of skewing market outcomes negatively. americans should all be driving cheap chinese cars, SOE or not.

>>2764294
>Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention.
Find me one where 68% of the total registered capital of all firms have at least some level of state ownership and you might have a point. https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/reassessing-role-state-ownership-chinas-economy
> The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital
Those aren't mutually exclusive. If they could have implemented and maintained "shock therapy" neoliberal policies in China in the late-70s early-80s, they would likely not be having the same issues they are having today.
>>2764300
Ownership is a crucial difference because it's partially how China was able to reject neoliberal shock therapy. The market instead became a tool for development goals instead of falling into the neoliberal trap of being used by the market for the sake of building U.S. dominance. Using China as an example of neoliberal superiority is nonsense when neoliberalism would have wrecked them completely if it had its way.

>>2764353
ownership is not particularly relevant to that development model, which is why china is a mixed economy. the ownership/control distinction blurs almost to irrelevance in such a context anyway.

what you must understand is that the US state acting in market distorting ways is also bad. this is why liberalism is "good" - in almost all areas, the US following the theoretical prescriptions of liberalism leads to better outcomes. neoliberal economic theory, divorced from its flawed, human advocates, will tell you loud and clear that there should be free trade with cuba. (even if cuba doesn't reciprocate!)

or, back to the thesis of the OP: the implementers of neoliberalism let neoliberalism down. would-be neoliberal presidents continued to indulge in protectionism and obviously inefficient regulated/protected markets. in britain, half of neoliberal-hero margaret thatcher's privatizations put former state assets into "private" markets subject to less competitive pressure than the average chinese SOE. what was good in "actually existing neoliberalism" is fading, and what is bad is expanding. all i'm saying is: consider the inverse. imagine if the good were expanded, and the bad were fading, instead of writing off the whole thing and pretending that the closest thing to the kingdom of heaven on earth is the random statist tilts of the nixon administration combined with headline-programs from the dead USSR.



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Class is not the primary contradiction.

1: Climate change
Why? Existential threat to all of humanity. On a strict time limit.
2: Imperialism
Why? Countries can't have their own 1917 (Socialist Revolution) until they have their own 1776 (Bourgeois sovereignty).
3: Class struggle
4: idpol/disabled struggles (basically just a mop-up after global socialism is achieved)
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The primary contradiction is whether you can see why kids like the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch

>>2759242
How is class not the primary contradiction when class is tied to why these are consistent problems?

Like proles care about the environment, bourgeosis dont and destroys the planet for profit, and for decades we've been living understood of upcoming crisis of global warming, and we failed to stop it.

>>2762989
based and productive forces pilled

>>2759242
Greta has been discrediting protests and occupying the political scene since day one.
She makes an excellent controlled oppositional pawn which prevents the people from demanding what they need.

The eradication of false competition which works against the people's interests is a step in removing the establishment, even capturing and holding these government pawns hostage is more reasonable than joining them.

Only no kings protests are viable.



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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

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whats the difference between strasserism and national bolshevism

>>2764531
If you get up everyday at the same time, go to the same job, do the same things and go to bed at the same time, your brain starts to skip memory in order to safe power. Then some day you wake up and you are scared, because you are 65yo and wasted you life paying taxes to pedophiles.

>>2764647
kek, also interested

>>2764647
>Strasserism
Otto Strasser was a 'guild socialist' who favored de-urbanization and agrarian self-sufficiency.. Basically what Marx would call a reactionary socialist. He was still completely anticommunist and an early proponent of a NATO/EU style alliance against the USSR.
>NazBol
National bolshevism was born from elements of the KPD and German leftcoms in reaction to the treaty of Versailles, when a lot of leftists were turning to nationalism. Decades later the Nazbol manifesto was published by Karl Otto Paetel which rejected marxist philosophy but advocated a planned economy and an alliance with the soviets. Russian Nazbol is a pretty different thing that came much later in the 90s with Limonov and Dugin and took some influence from the Germans but I'm not sure how much. It seems largely right wing mixed with some left-leaning nationalists like Black Lenin.

why is there a leftypol and a leftychan? personal drama or is one site for one leftist tendency and the other for another



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So porn is considered by many on hee because it's usually coercive and misogynistic, but is the same true for drawn porn and smut? I mean no one's getting coerced, if you don't wanna draw/write smut you can just draw regular art and a lot of people just do it for the love of the game as well.
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>>2764268
Ofc they're not, I just state that exploatition is against self and class intrest of everyone included in porn industry.

>>2764263
Go back to /pol/

>>2764263
>No one has self-intrest in normalisation of drawn pornography except for those who profit from it.
I think this is an interesting point. But why exactly would it not be in the gooner's self-interest?

>>2764362
Because he's unconscious victim of his own addiction which does cause him to involuntary be a cow for endless profit.

Those people don't only destroy their life by addiction which deepen their sexual frustrations but also some people make profit out of it.

Also they're definetly victims of porn in terms of social interactions, alot of males get addicted to porn at very young age (including drawn ones) which determinate their inability in socialising with opposite sex and even may cause rise of misoginistic behaviours which obviously isn't beneficial for them but they don't realise it until it's too late.

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i notice that tumblr is covered in ads for some hardcore ai generated fetish porn now. remember a few years ago when tumblr cracked down on "adult content" by basically shadowbanning every user who posted any remotely revealing pictures of themselves? apparently it was never actually the content itself that was morally objectionable, it was the human content creators who were the real target. it's okay to have a site covered in filthy depraved sexual content for perverts to jack off to, what isn't okay is human sex workers making a living off of it and expecting to be treated like human beings. ban all the sex workers and replace them with ai and suddenly there's no ethical dilemma, you can advertise all the creepy incest ai porn you want and nobody will complain.



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