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I have noticed that many of my comrades receive push-back, both from organic voices and from deliberate, planted ones typically directed at our language, our rhetoric, and the concepts we work with that extend beyond what is considered acceptable within mainstream society. We operate outside the bounds of liberal civility between class and political opponents. We step beyond moralism and speak in terms of power, power that stands in opposition to existing institutions, with the aim of toppling them, not entering them.

One example is my comrade's statement that reactionary movements are not equal to ours, and therefore do not deserve honest conversation or platforms; they deserve attack on all fronts, physical or otherwise. Some people take issue with this, which has always confused me. I cannot speak for the other JPAs, but I am now realizing in my experience this militant tendency is far from the norm within the broader left, and the moment they're done being threatened by someone they aren't willing to engage with, they drop the support. In fact, the militant edge of the movement has often been pushed to the edge by leftist counter‑insurgents. Over the years, militant praxis has frequently dictated the pace of broader left politics, shaping the topics, the framing, the urgency. Yet the largest base of the left remains reformist, and not only pacifists, but PASSIVE, which is a big difference. These modern leftists aren't pacifists, because they would call the workers who threw bolts into the gears of machinery violent; that is counter-insurgency. That reformist majority vigorously critiques, attacks, and slanders anything it perceives as ultra‑left, overly militant, or brash. They do not merely abandon militants in times of repression; that would be too abstract of a description of what happens. The reality is that they exist to enable that repression, through the very way they behave within movements and the language of their critiques. The counter‑insurgency role of the left fills many functions, and this is one. Another is the continuous capture and containment of revolutionary energy, funneling it back into the DNC or other bourgeoisie avenues.

This is the role most of you leftists who are counter insurgency'd up by your captured revisionist/reformist orgs end up serving, whether consciously or not you exist as a form of counter insurgency. The position is inherently controlled opposition, and counter-revolutionary. You move for socPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>Leftist Counter-Insurgents
What about them?

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>>2765514

Read deeper. This isn't about socialist states crushing anti-communist insurgencies. It's about the organized left's actual role in Western counter‑insurgency, right here, right now. Like in this picture, a snitch from a "Marxist-Leninist" organization screams "Agitators, right here!" as he points out multiple individuals they wish to de-mask. Federal behavior.

You might say there's no open insurgency. True. But modern counterinsurgency is preventive and far more sophisticated than even 50 years ago. It wages a counter-insurgency intended to never allow militancy to ever take root in class / anti-imperialist struggles, let alone an actual large-scale insurgency.

>>2762980

>>black Bloc tactics are criminal, hyper‑masculine, mob violence that turns humans into beasts.


lmfao what the fuck. I looked up the night that had Chris Hedges buttmad after reading some archived articles on telegraph…. seems like a bit of an exaggeration? Beasts? So not willfully getting beat by the actual violent beasts means you are a rabid masculine furry? what makes Greek leftists immune from being bestial when engaging in these tactics or is chris just not concerned with bestial communists if they aren't within American borders? like not my problem, let the beasts stay contained to the south EU, but far away from the civilized USA and UK. it gives off colonial vibes tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVLc3MmAT0A

Okay uygha, and?

Reformists gonna reform, we know that already. What are you gonna do about it? How is your militant tendency going to organize and mobilize millions of workers, soldiers, etc. to overcome reformism? How do you respond tactically to this issue, rather than whining like a liberal about how the other side isn't playing fair?

>>2765658
>>How do you respond tactically to this issue

This is a good and necessary question. Let me try to answer.

First, you have to interact within their organizations, study them, and develop conclusions that are much more detailed and specific to your local terrain. You can organize affinity with comrades and attempt to covertly capture their members, undermine their counter‑insurgency functions, and if you get skilled enough, you might end up with multiple proxy individuals in multiple chapters doing this work. You might gain the ability to split organizations, fracturing them even if only partially. You attack them dishonestly with psychological harassment and systematic, anonymous, bad‑faith critique. Then, without anonymity, you hammer their positions with materialism, shattering the illusions they put forward and showing their base and potential base, the light. The next front is physical coercion. You drive them out of protest spaces, wreck their events, hijack their demonstrations, and make them visibly act as supporters of the imperialist state through physical confrontation, shattering their illusions while also physically intimidating their most dedicated base.



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What are you guys opinion on queer anarchism?
I think I am something like this.

Pic related is a place in my hometown (Curitiba - Brazil) that I would totally make as the headquarter of my movement.
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>>2764802
Achei a casa adorável, me amarro nessa arquitetura eclética. Ela tem já algum histórico de ocupação militante ou tu a escolheu por causa da cor?
>>2765856
I have a problem with solarpunk. The ideas are cool, but somehow the predominant aesthetic is the lamest of all these somethingpunk genres. It's like you fused cottagecore with frutiger aero corporate plastic slop and the result was then vomited up by those AIs that mimic Studio Ghibli art.
What's missing is the dust, the insects, the imperfections in the buildings through which nature crawls, and most importantly, the vestigial ruins of the old society from which their utopia emerged.

>>2765901
Não sei a história dessa casa especificamente, mas ela fica numa área jovem/punk/artística da minha cidade, onde tem muitos bares "de esquerda".

>>2765901
>It's like you fused cottagecore with frutiger aero corporate plastic slop and the result was then vomited up by those AIs that mimic Studio Ghibli art.
It’s definitely too agrarian, and the tech doesn’t look right either.
>and most importantly, the vestigial ruins of the old society from which their utopia emerged
And the industry. And the explanation for how such a society would deal with climate change.

>>2765919
it looks like a nice place to live, but yeah, I think solarpunk is "cottagecore without the conservatism

>>2764802
Sounds gay. Movements should always be inclusive with focus on united class enemy.



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I want the expansion of immigration and the ruin of the imperial middle-class.

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch02.htm

> The mass of [the middle-class] formed the basis of the military power of [migrant]-owning society. They served in the armed forces and bore on their shoulders the main burden of taxes essential for conducting war. But as a result of the competition of large-scale production based on cheap [migrant] labour, and under the weight of burdens beyond their strength, the [middle class] were ruined. The insoluble contradiction between large [industry] and [the middle class] continued to intensify.


> The squeezing out of the [middle-class] subverted not only the economic, but also the military and political might of the [migrant]-owning States, and particularly [the USA]. Victories were replaced by defeats. Wars of conquest were replaced by defensive ones. The source of the uninterrupted supply of cheap [migrants] dried up. The negative aspects of migrant labour appeared more and more strongly. A general fall in production took place in the last two centuries of the existence of the [Statesian] Empire.
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>>2765754
Seethe harder liberal retard.

>>2765774
you are Epstein
you are the liberal here, read Lenin >>2765723

>>2765682
I want to import the entire fucking third world and damn the consequences.

>>2765723
>center aligned text, non justified, sans serif barely an outline, pasted over a photograph
do you want people to actually read that or do you want them to give up halfway through?

>>2765780
You are stupid



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https://www.swtimes.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2016/10/15/on-holiest-day-in-jewish/25200145007/
>TEL AVIV, Israel — As afternoon dims into dusk on the eve of Yom Kippur, an extraordinary thing happens in this secular metropolis: Israel’s city that rarely sleeps grinds to a standstill and is enveloped in a strange and wonderful silence.

>Parents lug bicycles out of basement bomb shelters. Children pop their heads out in between parked cars to see if it is finally safe to go into the road. The echo of car horns is replaced by the pinging of bicycle bells.


>“It’s the one day that parents can let kids go out in the street without getting run over,” he says. “They can ride their bikes from one end of the city to another.”


>After dark, wide-open HaBimah Square next to the eponymous national theater fills with hundreds of families. Parents socialize as children wobble along on training wheels and teenagers plan nocturnal bicycle rides to neighboring cities.


How old were you when you realized cycling us Zi*nist coded? True anti-colonial proletarians drive lifted trucks
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>>2765867
Quit seething, Rabbi

>>2765870
A proletarian will run you over in a lifted truck, Epstein

The real proletarian vehicles are engine powered hang-gliders

Israelis are building colonies in Kenya so they can practice apartheid
If their state in occupid palestine falls they'll go down ratlines to these settlements. is there no end to their colonisation?

>>2765875
>>2765875
Surely just a COHENincidende…



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Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
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>>2764801
Don’t google Bunga Bunga

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>>2764834
"…"

>>2761954
She was right about a lot of things but her general reactionary disdain for men convinced me that Feminism is not inherently compatible with Leftism and we need to be very careful allying with Men of Wo. Most self-identified radfems are just left-wing out of self-interest and not any kind of idealistic belief in improving the world or helping their fellow man, just themselves and their own kind. Cut a radfem and a tribalist class traitor bleeds. They're also often responsible for extremely reactionary policy under the guise of "protecting women" like banning porn or requiring age verification online or mass surveillance.

Maybe I'm just a chud though.

>>2764793
Les ritals sont en chaleur c'est scientifiquement prouvé

>>2765361
why is banning porn "extremely reactionary"?



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Why are crippled homeless beggars, disabled and rich Mafia all lumped together as Lumpenproles?

Seems hella weird rich criminals being in that group according to Karl Marx.

>>2764312
because they are free minded and can't be used as a tool for le revolution

>>2764312
there's arguments that mafia would be more considered "lumpenbourgeoisie"
But the real answer is these groups don't organize because they have no real economic or political power, especially homeless beggars.

>>2764314

There is class hereirchy in the mob too though. you have the working class members earning and the rich elites on top. and marx and engels werent using dialetical materialism to criticize lumpens they were mostly just doing moral liberal panic over the "anti-social" behaviors of the lowest workers because marx was poor but still a petite bourgeois academic would be no different than some gentry marxist moving in a seattle condo then saying the way the workers behave is too crude

>>2765610
Booklet. M&E recorded several (anti-monarchist) revolutions where lumpen were bought to fight for the status quo.



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the fundamental flaw of marxism is that it is built around the idea of ONE contradiction being the motor of capitalism's development, namely what is manifest in the value form. this is merely the contradiction between proletariat and capitalist. but of course there is the contradiction between the capitalist and the capitalist, as well as the contradiction between the form of bourgeois institutions and their actual content insofar as they are in a material relationship with the capitalist class

what we have seen is that after the falling rate of profit has progressed a certain point, capitalists realized that the first contradiction was no longer tenable to work with and so they moved to the other two. this has resulted in a qualitatively distinct transformation of the development of capital. in the contradiction of the value form, still working within the logic of value, the only salient variable is productivity. however, in capitalist vs capitalist and capitalist vs government power relations they no longer need to concern themselves with such things. it does not matter that the rate of profit is zero or even negative if you just fucking kill your competition and have the govt print infinite money. the solution to capital's first contradiction really is just have more war and sabotage everyone else whilst introducing financialization bullshit. look at netflix. they actively undercut blockbuster whilst losing money just to push their opponent into bankruptcy. that is just what is normal now, cannibalism

this is why ofc there will be no revolution because the contradictions at play have nothing to do with prole cattle. they are just pawns in the larger game. in the context of disputing wages, there is a clear connection between one's class position and what is the natural progression with respect to how to address things. in such contexts, class consciousness is something very simple to promote. this is not the case when its having a war with the national bourgeois of another country, or heck in the future two megacorporations just fucking killing each other mafia-style. that is what will happen btw. the iran war will crash the economy and corporations will capitalize on the chaos to balkanize western states into feudal shitholes. then eventually you will have these "freedom cities" hurling drones at each other and any prole cattle that thinks of objecting to this will be preemptively executed why palantir technology

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>>2764058
I think that's more of a caricature of the dialectic. It's more that something can be "false" but also express something real or be internally coherent even if it breaks down.

>>2760716
>we see empirically that after every crisis, monopolies only grow stronger. in fact the most powerful bourgeois WANT crises, staglation, wars, etc because the chaos allows them to advance their capitalization
Empirically, this is wrong. The bourgeoisie generally don't want crises (depends on the crisis, but they tend to create unpredictability, which can be expensive to manage), they absolutely do not want stagflation (and they're willing to fuck over everyone else to ensure it doesn't happen, see Paul Volcker's tenure at the Fed), and they usually don't want war (depends on the industry they're involved in, the particulars of the war, and how they're positioned in relation to it).


>>2764058
That isn't how dialectic works in Hegel or Marx. The equations are abstractly juxtaposed, and "synthesis" isn't equivalent to adding the two equations together then dividing them by two.

Thesis-antithesis-synthesis was actually Fichte (at least in one of his many different presentations of the Wissenschaftslehre). Hegel actually criticized Fichte for it, although it's true that Hegel has sometimes been taught this way despite that.

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>>2765325
>the bourgeois generally […]
they are not a unitary class. the smaller bourgeois obviously do not like any of these things but the larger ones absolutely love all of these things as it allows them to expand their share of assets thanks to private equity. this is because it is not about profit as such but differential accumulation. power only means something in comparison to something else. mere cost doesnt matter. if everyone is suffering then the larger entities will be the last to fall under and file bankruptcy

>>2765453
idk why but the site was not letting me put one of the links i wanted to …? anyways aside from those graphs i got from another blog, here is another example given by the casp folks
https://capitalaspower.com/2023/09/bichler-nitzan-the-capital-as-power-approach-an-invited-then-rejected-interview/
>In ‘Going Global: The Great U-Turn in South Africa and Israel’,111 we argued that, by the 1980s, the dominant capital groups in the two countries had grown too large for their respective home markets, and that in order to continue their differential accumulation, they had to break through their ‘national envelopes’ and go global. However, conflict-related sanctions and boycotts on the two countries made significant outward capital movement difficult if not impossible. Moreover, and perhaps more importantly, the global stagflation of the 1970s and 1980s provided their dominant capital groups with a massive differential windfall: global inflation multiplied the price of gold many times over and in so doing boosted the differential profit of the South African conglomerates, while the depth-driven conflicts of the Middle East caused military production and exports by the Israeli holding groups to thrive. And as long as these differential boosts continued, a large chunk of the capitalist ruling classes in the two countries remained seated on the fence. They wanted the conflicts to end so that they could go global, but with their depth-driven differential accumulation being so lucrative, they were willing to wait. It was only with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening for business of the former Communist Bloc, the rise of emerging markets and the consequent global shift from depth to breadth that they finally got off the fence to openly support the end of Apartheid and reconciliation with the Palestinians. And it were these inner realignments of the elites, we argued, that tipped the balance in favour of the U-turns and serve to explain why the two U-turns were, at least initially, relatively peaceful. It seems that, when it comes to the accumulation of power and the associated creordering of the world, the ups and downs of inflation, just like the amalgamPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

the fundamental flaw of Marxism is that naming your world view and identity after another man is homo-idolatry. On another note, ACAB also includes therapists.



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>Previous Bake
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<47th Thread for 47th President Edition


Latest News
>Oil dipped today as Trump TACOs yet again
<Ladybugs Graham is getting cold feet on further Iran fighting
>More problems in USA like sex scandals becoming public and Ballroom malfunctions are distracting Trump
<Autists confirmed that Saudi Arabia is used for strikes (Saudis lied yet again)
>US Defense Secretary Hegseth's broker looked to buy defense fund before Iran attack, FT reports
<Tomahawks are depleted
>Fizzlers are ascending except in Lebanon as Hezbollah is engaging in heavy fighting with IOF

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>>2765348
see >>2765159, first picrel.

>>2765340
What about boobs on the ground?

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giga fizzle
nothing ever happens
you still have to go to work tomorrow

>>2765343
the old fat pedo turd can now sense that everyone around him is doubting or disgusted with him, so he's reducing his circle to only the most committed zionist warmongers and trump personality cultists



 

Capitalism is social and existential vampirism.
If capital is the value of exploitation, then we have capitalism as a way of life that one person benefits from the disgrace of other people.
It is a threat to society disguised as freedom and excellence.
Am I right?
Notice that I am a little high.

Capitalism is also morally and aesthetically despicable.
It is a void of being that pushes people into a combo of non-existence + negative work.
It makes me really sad.

Correct, the amoral aspect of capitalism is a correct and calud criticism of it, despite what sone dogmatic leftists believe.

>>2765315
I dont consider myself a scientist, maybe a philosopher or a mystic. I have read some things, but I prefer creating my own worldview based on what I read.
To me, capitalism is morally wrong because everything that is not morally good (like seeking the truth, listening to good music, making love in some way) is actually bad and not just "neutral".
That's where my idea of capitalism as a social and existential void comes from. It literally sucks life from good people and give it to someone who doesn't really care about nothing.
Non-beings and ugly people pretending they are, while good and exceptional stuff being always tossed away and repressed.
I have no idea where this comes from, but I think socialism is a good way of fixing it.

>>2765339
It's the human essence recognizing capitalism is flawed, in the same manner animals in zoos go crazy

Funny thing is, if you take morals out of the equation it’s still a pretty shit system.



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in setting oneself against the status-quo and against capitalism, which is the correct thing to do because the status quo and capitalism have many flaws, most people drift into a certain mistaken mode of thinking: capitalism is bad, and whatever is against capitalism is good.

this is a sort of moralistic mode of thinking. it works for individual relationships (john is bad, the enemy of john is my friend) but terribly for modes of social organization. capitalism is good compared to feudalism, capitalism is bad compared to communism. obviously marx understood this and any marxist could tell you that in theory capitalism is "historically progressive" - but look in practice and you'll find that the ire of the communist is always directed more strongly at the capitalist than at any worse alternative. were (somehow) a feudalist counter-revolution to break out in some far flung country, you can bet /leftypol/ would critically support it against US imperialism. we have had our contingent of Trump contrarians, and very few of them pre-2024 were advocating for him on the basis that he'd totally screw the US and clear the way for China to become a world power. no, if that happens it'll be a fluke.

this is important for two reasons:
  1. on the question of how to organize a capitalist economy, conventional economics is more right than it is given credit for. there is no rational reason for socialists to instinctively side with every loser under the status quo. in many cases, socialists should in fact be pushing for "neoliberal" policies that neoliberals themselves have chickend out on. why is it that of all bourgeoise, owners of coca-cola bottling plants are specially isolated from competition by regulation? why should car dealerships have a special carve-out from the market mechanism that gives them greater subsidies and while making the consumer - that is, often, a proletarian - pay more?
  2. most of the possible alternatives to the status quo are worse. you will see more and more language that vaguely evokes the pre-neoliberal status quo, and you shouldn't be baited into supporting it. a protectionist turn against free trade, more in-sourcing of strategic goods, greater domestic investment in (military) industry, and so on, funded of course by a stripping of social protections. if you thought living in a market focused only on trade was bad, wait until you get the thrills of a non-market focused only on war.
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> look at china
China operates by the “light-heavy” principle when it comes to the market. It’s not a neoliberal “free-market” and still purposely maintains SOEs which is why neoliberal capitalists in the U.S. are still pissy.

>>2764291
Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention. The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital, since China can pump out 100 cheap EVs for one dogshit F-150.

>>2764291
the US has just as much state aid and protection even if it doesn't have ownership
indeed, regulation and protection from failure matters far more than ownership in terms of skewing market outcomes negatively. americans should all be driving cheap chinese cars, SOE or not.

>>2764294
>Find me a market economy that doesn't maintain SOEs and has no government intervention.
Find me one where 68% of the total registered capital of all firms have at least some level of state ownership and you might have a point. https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/reassessing-role-state-ownership-chinas-economy
> The reason neoliberal capitalists are pissy is because they have to compete with Chinese capital
Those aren't mutually exclusive. If they could have implemented and maintained "shock therapy" neoliberal policies in China in the late-70s early-80s, they would likely not be having the same issues they are having today.
>>2764300
Ownership is a crucial difference because it's partially how China was able to reject neoliberal shock therapy. The market instead became a tool for development goals instead of falling into the neoliberal trap of being used by the market for the sake of building U.S. dominance. Using China as an example of neoliberal superiority is nonsense when neoliberalism would have wrecked them completely if it had its way.

>>2764353
ownership is not particularly relevant to that development model, which is why china is a mixed economy. the ownership/control distinction blurs almost to irrelevance in such a context anyway.

what you must understand is that the US state acting in market distorting ways is also bad. this is why liberalism is "good" - in almost all areas, the US following the theoretical prescriptions of liberalism leads to better outcomes. neoliberal economic theory, divorced from its flawed, human advocates, will tell you loud and clear that there should be free trade with cuba. (even if cuba doesn't reciprocate!)

or, back to the thesis of the OP: the implementers of neoliberalism let neoliberalism down. would-be neoliberal presidents continued to indulge in protectionism and obviously inefficient regulated/protected markets. in britain, half of neoliberal-hero margaret thatcher's privatizations put former state assets into "private" markets subject to less competitive pressure than the average chinese SOE. what was good in "actually existing neoliberalism" is fading, and what is bad is expanding. all i'm saying is: consider the inverse. imagine if the good were expanded, and the bad were fading, instead of writing off the whole thing and pretending that the closest thing to the kingdom of heaven on earth is the random statist tilts of the nixon administration combined with headline-programs from the dead USSR.



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