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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>>2781482
Obviously they meddle in primaries to undermine the progressive wing, but they also genuinely drink the koolaid that their way of doing things works. It's nepobabies leeching off of the elderly by promoting bad ideas. That's why they don't have power. It's not simply that they are losing on purpose.
We've already seen what they do when they do have power - they engage in half-measures and find excuses to not do anything for workers, while keeping the capitalist ship steady. That's what a Newsom/etc presidency with control over Congress would look like. That is what they want, it's not something they're trying to avoid. They are just bad at getting there.

>>2781491

newsome, and anyone younger than 70, can't win.
bernie is unironically the dems only change in 2028.

>>2781448
Oh, ya. Every 4 years lady can help us

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>>2781305
>A tucker presidency is best-case scenario
imagine the big fell for that again trophy awards for you people.



 

>Previous Bake
>>2777046

<Ceasefire: Molested Edition


Latest News
Iran war ceasefire
US ceasefire violations
Israel attacks Lebanon
Energy crisis and inflation
oth sides claim victory
Iran says USA violated deal
Trump's "art of the deal"
Israel bombs Lebanon
Russia and China UN veto
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>>2781423
look you are never ever ever gonna get the jannocracy you want so just make your own website and stop shitting this thread up with metacommentary

>>2781430
you can have your fiefdom here but I'll keep annoying you from time to time

seethe about it

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>>2781415
You're a good baker leftychud, don't fret. Be happy!

>BAKA IS RADY

>>2781447
>BAKA IS RADY
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>BAKA IS RADY
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>BAKA IS RADY
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>BAKA IS RADY
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<BAKA IS RADY
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>>2781401
So true, my FBI handler(Felix) has been trying to nudge me to do terrorism for years

>>2781372
(he did not)



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Not sure if people remember but there eww a guy who www a lolcow here while back around the plans or take down the o9a and he was like all over the place. Anyways apparently he relapsed on drugs and killed himself I heard it was announced in a group chat? Is there anyone in these groups around? I heard it second hand. I'm anrifascist I keep my claw on the pulse apparently he was messed up about some shit a woman they like put him up to ir. Is it a rumor cause Blenzig did too these people were like saying SKULL MASK ARMY or something too during and after just heard about it.. and they shares screenshots of the old archives here or his threads here

Really can't say my source but I imagine it'll get checked

If O9A edgykids are dying, cool.
No further comment.

>>2781154
They still operate somewhere online. He was unstable this was state sponsored honeypots grooming mentally ill guys who are socially isolated into this. Why don't people here most of you prob broke pose as underage girls join these groups catfish them bam easy charge.

I can't anything online now so maybe is a group jw made himself or somebody else not sure

These people are mostly not ideological the ones in charge are really just greedy and perverted and sadistic they prey on mentally ill socially isolated people especially younger ones

And they have these gay online book stores

I think they'd be really easy to blackmail and control ar their own games.

Just wanna know who's around still? Where can I find them?

The authorities won't do anything they love publicity good or bad and it's really a lot smaller than people think and like idk

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>>2781154
They've never done anything with their lives and honestly none of them probably even have any sort of worth at all to treat like they treated others. Sad reality. No one makes a long life snitching you run out of people. It looks like they all went into hiding or quit. But I wanted to try and sort of engineer a solid plan about this.

Probably it's not ethical but still what they did was worse nobody thinks past the Nazism shit

That was one thing there was way more.

People self snitch cause they lied and made it up.

How guilty were some of these people ?

Anyways I guess it's shit to think about or waste more time on but if they were It's something to think about

It's just unreal the FBI would make an extremist group run by informants to turn guys into this

Why?



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We have to rig Hungary's election. We have to finance organizations that will rig Hungary's election and ensure a victory for anti-imperialist comrade Orbán.

<Polls show that there's a good Chance Orbán will lose the next election. Chances of this tard attacking Ukraine to reclaim Hungarian inhabited areas and to postpone an electoral defeat just got a bit higher.


We have to ensure Orban wins, lets fund some organization that rigs the election or donate to the party of FIDESZ.
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EU bad even doe it's basically Eurocommunism o algo

>>2779667
> a) hungary's economic performance will improve
They're the poorest EU member even with all the money they get. Unless Albania or Macedonia join tomorrow, they can only go up…

>>2779663
>brutalize the romas
Who gives a shit about roma feelings in 2026? They're antisocial religious schyzos who support far righters, welfare frauders and looters. You want me to love Matt Walsh too?

>>2780279
im pretty sure that was for >>2779890

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>>2779890
>Orb Man
more like badman orbman.



 

Your Party Scotland’s interim executive committee resigns en masse
The leadership said consistent contempt was shown towards members and the organisation north of the border after tensions were raised last month when it emerged that the party would not stand candidates in next month’s Holyrood elections. … In a statement, the committee said: “No serious attempt to unite the left can be done through purges of socialists or by disregarding entire nations and their representatives.”
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/your-party-scotlands-interim-executive-committee-resigns-en-masse

Lufthansa pilots strike for 2 days, cabin crew will follow
On Monday afternoon, UFO said that it had called on its members to strike again on Wednesday and Thursday of this week, meaning Lufthansa could face four consecutive days of disruptions. Hundreds of flights were canceled on Monday, with the major hubs of Frankfurt and Munich hit hardest, in the fourth strike of 2026 at the airline.
https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-pilots-launch-2-day-strike-cabin-crew-say-they-will-strike-right-after/a-76760890
https://archive.ph/6xSVe

French lawmakers set to push bill criminalising speech on Israel
Under Article 1, individuals could face up to five years in prison and heavy fines for speech interpreted as justifying or reframing acts labelled as terrorism. That could include describing such acts as “resistance” or providing context deemed insufficiently condemnatory. France’s former anti-terrorism judge Marc Trevidic issued a stark warning about the implications. "I'd never seen anything like it, the notion of implicit incitement to terrorism. Do you realise what that means? Becoming a censor of other people's thoughts, trying to guess what a person really meant."
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Judges fired after blocking deportation of pro-Palestinian students
The New York Times reported over the weekend that the justice department had terminated six judges, including Roopal Patel and Nina Froes, who oversaw deportation proceedings against Rümeysa Öztürk and Mohsen Mahdawi, two students who were arrested last year as part of Trump’s campaign against the Gaza protest movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/13/immigration-judges-fired-trump-administration

With Congress Back in DC, Sanders Plans Another Vote on Blocking US Weapons to Israel Over Genocide
With members of Congress returning to Washington, DC, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday pledged that he will, yet again, force a vote aimed at cutting off the flow of US weapons to Israel over its genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/sanders-weapons-israel

Man shot by ICE in California has been arrested by the FBI, attorney says
A man shot by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents during an enforcement stop in central California last week was arrested Monday by the FBI after being discharged from a hospital, his attorney said. Attorney Patrick Kolasinski said federal officials have not said what charges Carlos Ivan Mendoza Hernandez might face. Messages were sent to the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office seeking more information about the arrest.
https://apnews.com/article/california-ice-shooting-carlos-ivan-mendoza-hernandez-71b60ba1007bd705454a4cef5293da6e

Minnesota investigates the arrest by ICE of a Hmong American man as a possible kidnapping
Ramsey County Attorney John Choi and Sheriff Bob Fletcher said at a news conference they will pursue information from the Department of Homeland Security that they need for their investigation into the arrest of ChongLy "Scott" Thao in January. Ramsey County includes the state capital of St. Paul.
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The homeland must be defended: Cuban unions call for mass mobilization on May Day 2026
In the face of growing threats from the U.S. government—reinforced by the executive order of January 29, which has added an energy siege to the already intensified economic, commercial, and financial blockade imposed on our country for more than 65 years, simply because we chose to build a dignified, sovereign, and independent nation—there is nothing more urgent or decisive today than to act together and strengthen ourselves as a country. In this context, the Central de Trabajadores de Cuba (CTC), its national unions, and the National Association of Innovators and Rationalizers (ANIR) call for the celebration of May 1st, International Workers’ Day, under a clear and mobilizing principle: The homeland must be defended. To mark May Day is to reaffirm the unity and patriotism of the Cuban people. It is to once again “break the corojo,” as Antonio Maceo did at Baraguá when he rejected a peace without independence; to recall José Martí’s message in Los Pinos Nuevos, a historic call for unity across generations in the struggle for sovereignty; and, in the year marking the centenary of Commander-in-Chief Fidel Castro Ruz, to uphold the vision he expressed on May 1, 2000.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/04/the-homeland-must-be-defended-cuban-unions-call-for-mass-mobilization-on-may-day-2026.html

Viktor Orbán’s Hungarian Model Has Collapsed
Reacting to news of Viktor Orbán’s defeat in Sunday’s Hungarian election, many of his admirers insisted that he had, after all, done a good job. Jordan Bardella, president of France’s Rassemblement National, wrote that Orbán had “led Hungary’s economic recovery, promoted family policies that helped maintain the birth rate, and defended his country and Europe’s borders against migration.” Dutch nationalist leader Geert Wilders insisted Orbán was “the only leader with balls in the EU”; for others, the fact that he had admitted defeat proved his democratic spirit. Many accounts focus on Orbán’s authoritarian hold on power, whether rewriting the state’s Fundamental Law or packing the Constitutional Court. His Fidesz party’s influence on public media and the education system was also an importanPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2777168
If it were really AI, and they really framed Chamel Abdulkarim for the arson, they would have had him say something like "Allahu Akbar" rather than having him say something like "All you had to do was pay us enough to live" which is a lot more relatable.

>>2775977
ADHD meds actually makes you do stuff fuck you mean

>>2776651
As we all know, only westoids have cats and dogs, which are utterly unknow to the working class of the global east

>>2776089
Some good news at least: microplastics fucking up testosterone production means femboy future.



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Are all Non-US NATO countries puppet-states or Vassal-states or proxy-states or whatever? France and the UK have the ability to be independent since they have nukes but they choose not to be for some reason. NATO countries just seem to let America smear its dick all over them in exchange for “Defense” which is actually just offensive somewhere in the other side of the world.
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>>2780392
France is building up military capabilities for her to be able to defend against mutts. For UK they have chosen to be a USA colony.

>>2780401
The UK has nukes, if there is ever a socialist revolution then they could avoid invasion unless the US is insane enough to invade a nuclear power

nah bro hungary is anti-zionist AES now, dont let ziggers psyop you

>>2780641
the nukes have US backdoors

>>2780392
they're vassals, which is different from a puppet or a proxy. A vassal or puppet can serve as a proxy, but even an ally or independent force with a common enemy can serve as proxy. A puppet has no independent will. A vassal is dependent on and serve its master but has independent agency, and will have to be forced to act against its interests.
hezbollah or the houthis for example are iranian ally and proxy, but not a puppet nor a vassal. Israel is an ally, vassal and proxy of the us, but not a puppet.
The EU are vassals of US. Ukraine is a vassal and proxy of the US. Syria is both a puppet of turkey, and a vassal of the US.



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Some reading for UK /Leftypol/

Some brutal home truths about Sultana - I dont buy the muh fed stuff and Corbyn's lot haven't behaved wonderfully either but what Sultana and the screeching sects and radlibs behind her have done for the chances of YP now is just unforgivable.

https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder
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>>2775407
Corbyn himself didn't even want Labour lol, he just wanted a loose alliance of community groups. It's just all the people around Corbyn who wanted Labour (because then they could have jobs in the party bureaucracy, like they had in Labour). Sultana didn't want the Democrats, she just didn't want to be shut out of any influence whatsoever, so she took up saying whatever left twitter wanted her to say.

The name fiasco wasn't because the party was divided (if it was, there would've at least been some good candidates for names), it was because the clique around Corbyn like the name "Your Party" and rigged the name-choice vote to offer "Your Party" (the alternatives "Popular Alliance" and "For The Many" were both jokes, and no effort was made to coordinate with the electoral commission and other parties to remove barriers to left/socialist/etc type names which is the kind of name most people would go for.)

https://www.thenational.scot/news/26016125.party-scotland-over-leadership-team-resign-en-mass/
The entire Scottish committee just resigned and are now saying they'll start their own party because they've been ignored by the Your Party CEC (for those just tuning in: Your Party aren't standing for the holyrood election because the UK party didn't care enough to register candidates)

Remember: The Corbyn (hanger on) faction controls the UK CEC!

>>2780422
Why did she do this?
Zarah is the face of all evil, truly.

>>2775314
>it hasn't produced much, but the same is true of whatever "true" grassroots leftism you want to align yourself with.
NTA but thats the effect the electoral neolib left was supposed to have, its existence prevents anything else outside of it from growing
in this sense it has been a complete success and not a failure
>but that doesn't mean it should be entirely written off
I agree but all needs to be subordinate to class from now on, that needs to be the new "litmus test" for the left
>unfortunately, here we return to the disposition of the average leftist: agreeable, open minded, and neurotic is not a good mindset for knuckling down to boring practical organizational work even before you throw in the need for conscientiousness/rule following, which is generally a trait more common on the right.
I wonder how the bolsheviks did it then? Maybe this framework of what defines leftists is self-defeating by design?
like, when you say stuff like this
>fundamentally, people's political alignment is downstream of their personality and disposition.
you have already given up to a class based understanding and delimination of politics and what being a leftist is or could be, it makes you sound like your mind has already been completely hijacked by individualist bourgeois ideology and therapy talk

>>2780501
There are plenty of freaks with their own little non-"neoliberal" non-left parties (indeed, most British "communists") qualify. They fail because they can't appeal to anyone under 60 or anyone who doesn't want to join a literal cult, not because the big bad Green party is bedblocking.

You do not have the power to subordinate anything to class. As Your Party clearly shows, the ultimate litmus test is "are you remotely capable of organising anything whatsoever?", only once that is answered can one try to organise on a class-first basis. (One would however require a useful understanding of class. The average class-first leftist really doesn't want to admit that most pensioners are something other than proles…)

The Bolsheviks existed in vastly different circumstances. You are making the Trotskyist newspaper argument (it worked in 1917!!) and you are confusing my empirical analysis (disposition correlates to political views much more strongly than class) with a normative one ("and that's a good thing")

But let's look at the Bolsheviks with a broad brush: they were surely the most progressive wing of their class, but did not have it's universal backing. There were almost certainly differences in disposition between Bolsheviks and SRs, and between left and right SRs, let alone other groups. Some misguided proletarians fought for the white army! My advice, if you wish, is that the Bolsheviks should not alienate natural Bolsheviks in a doomed attempt to win over the black hundreds. They should instead focus on being better Bolsheviks.
(And this is what the Bolsheviks would do! They could and would eject proletarian members who were insufferable dickheads with reactionary sympathies!)



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If there exists class conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie and historically proletarians have established their supremacy in certain countries and certain time periods like the dictatorship of the proletariat under Stalin in USSR for example was there ever a place where Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class?
Would it even be possible for Lumpenproletariat to seize the power and make their class interest the dominant one? How would such system look like and function?
Is there any political party at this moment advocating for the interest of lumpenproletariat?

Who even constitutes XXI century Lumpenproletariat?
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Lumpen cops

>Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class
"What a country!" - retarded illiterate pedo Jeffrey Epstein on class mobility
>>2780043
>Lumpen cops
"ICE is a counter-revolution of satanic guys who can't do productive labor against devout Catholics who actually produce real material value in their communities"

>>2780056
Nah, lumpens are lame. They're like failed actors who become conspiracy theorists. Proles are good.

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>>2779227
The great Lumpenproletariat are being organised in fascist anarchist squats in order to march against any worker's state available.

>>2779258
The lumpenproletariat is just a scapegoat for the labor aristocracy. Fucking Social Demokkkrats scapegoat queer people and the poor instead of their own labor aristocracy.



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Is the key flaw of Marxism that all of its predictions are bullshit? Why do communists feel like facts have to conform to their feelings when Marx never said that? Marx was never a moralfag and based his ideas in the fact he believed the collapse of Capitalism was inevitable. 200 years on, and it has not collapsed or led to any sort of successful socialist revolution.

You can identify the exact point at which Marxists start coping and treating their belief system as a religion. From the Preface of The Poverty of Philosophy on Marxists.org:

>The above application of the Ricardian theory that the entire social product belongs to the workers as their product, because they are the sole real producers, leads directly to communism. But, as Marx indeed indicates in the above-quoted passage, it is incorrect in formal economic terms, for it is simply an application of morality to economics. According to the laws of bourgeois economics, the greatest part of the product does not belong to the workers who have produced it. If we now say: that is unjust, that ought not to be so, then that has nothing immediately to do with economics. We are merely saying that this economic fact is in contradiction to our sense of morality. Marx, therefore, never based his communist demands upon this, but upon the inevitable collapse of the capitalist mode of production which is daily taking place before our eyes to an ever growing degree; he says only that surplus value consists of unpaid labour, which is a simple fact. But what in economic terms may be formally incorrect, may all the same be correct from the point of view of world history. If mass moral consciousness declares an economic fact to be unjust, as it did at one time in the case of slavery and statute labour, that is proof that the fact itself has outlived its day, that other economic facts have made their appearance due to which the former has become unbearable and untenable. Therefore, a very true economic content may be concealed behind the formal economic incorrectness. This is not the place to deal more closely with the significance and history of the theory of surplus value.


Marx never would have said this lol, this is plain magical thinking
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>>2780259
>If the masses declare wage-labor to be done for
they will get beaten by their ruling class until they stop having wrong thoughts

>>2780153
The inexistance of a socialist world economy makes it impossible to do it in one country. How do you plan on keeping yourself afloat without a state capitalist economy? You must extract surplus value from your workers even if only from the purpose of international trade. To some degree all state controlled enterprises have a profit motive
>>2780224
Capitalism was always everything. Whatever mode of production you happen to be a participant of determines nearly everything about your life.

>>2779214
Most leftcom critiques aren't that great, but the better ones come from councilcoms who advance labor time calculation as the lower stage of socialism. The problem with the USSR is that workers had no right of disposal to their product, and were thus still alienated from their labor and society. Likewise the wage relation, commodity production, etc. still existed, even if their forms were distorted by the presence of central planning. You can't advance to communism from here, that's the central problem, you'd have to have a second economic revolution to truly abolish these forms and replace them with labor time calculation or something more advanced. The only thing a Soviet-style system can do is degenerate back into capitalism, which is exactly what happened, facilitated by the intense alienation of Soviet society and the general falsification of Marxism in the east.
>>2779610
Way to completely miss the point. Leninism is the economics of Social Democracy taken to the extreme: a paternalistic party-state which provides for the people, ensures fair distribution of wages and commodities while bullshitting enough theory to make people think it's "socialism".

>>2780149
>also how does one country develop socialism in one country alone?
By eliminating their bourgeoisie in the main and beginning the process of socialist construction through the rational planning of the economy

>>2780264
>And you can always jump to any other mode of production.
This is anti-thetical to Marxist historical materialism. Why would a prior MoP be reverted to unless a catastrophic loss in productive means occurs? Means of Production are, alongside the expropriation of surplus, the defining characteristic of Modes of Production. Yes it's true that once a more advanced MoP emerges other societies at a much lower level of development can skip the intermediary stages due to transfer of technology and state formation, but this chart acts as if for example the reversion from a Socialist Economy to a Capitalist economy was a reversion to a historical MoP which isn't true, the existence of a "Socialist Economy" itself indicates that the Capitalist MoP still has elements in society that never went away. This chart then replaces "Feudal MoP" is "peasant economy", I guess so it can sandwich together 11th century Europe and ancient Sumer together as having the same MoP? You know that MoPs are characterized in part by the Means of Production right?



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