/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2634626
any cooperatives willing to excessively exploit themselves,and even then they can't just have turn over to get rid of the workers that no longer have anything to squeeze from

the type of industry or place doesn't matter,since in the real world managers (ie,people employed by the "leader")are the one commanding those structures,so what's the real difference ?

and like the other said,the inevitability of capital consolidation happens because of the rate of profit declining,and even if it's steady,it's FAR from having killed small bussiness entirely

Huawei, one of the world's largest Worker-Owned-Cooperatives.

>>2654233
Half of its employees are foreigners with no right to participate in collective ownership.

>>2654251
Chat is this true?

>>2634626
Cooperatives have lower agency costs (no absentee owners extracting value), higher trust and information flow, longer planning horizons, willingness to operate at lower but steadier margins, resistance to enshittification and short-term extraction.

These advantages compound in certain industries. Cooperatives consistently are able to compete in agriculture, utilities, infrastructure, natural monopolies. Even in finance you have credit unions which are basically the banking version of a cooperative.

>>2656926
>the decay of unipolarity is a step forward.
Where is teh proofs?

I just think multipolarity will happen at some point as a matter of fact and we need to plan around it, not that it is preferable to struggle to bring it about, as if we can influence policy that much anyway at this point.

>Stalin was not a diplomat of the status quo
Say that again

>>2656968
Do you believe unipolarity exists?

>>2656992
Never existed

Same way socialism came to (half of) Germany, by having its fascist government being defeated, territory devided and nation conquered by a socialist state. duhh

Thread is more proof most people need to return to the basics, all this geopolitical multipolarity content slop has people running around saying random words they hear like “third-worldism” without understanding the political currents they’re even speaking about

>>2657090
Oooohhhhhh I'm partnooooooooring
I'm strooooooootegically partnooooooring

>>2657098
Geopolitics is bourgeois politics

On Sunday, the National General Secretary of the Communist Party of India (CPI), D Raja, said the Communist Party of India’s 100-year journey was a “glorious path of struggles and sacrifices” rooted in the freedom movement and the cause of the people.
Speaking at the concluding ceremony of the CPI’s centenary celebrations held in Khammam town, Telangana, Raja recalled that the CPI was formed on December 26, 1925, at a time when India was under colonial rule.


He said the party, from its inception, declared complete independence as its goal and remained in the forefront of the country’s freedom struggle.
Calling it a historic moment, he noted that the centenary programme drew participation from delegates and comrades from several countries. He mentioned the presence of a representative from Nepal and foreign delegates from countries including China, Vietnam, Korea and others, reflecting the party’s international solidarity.

Raja asserted that both the CPI and the Congress played key roles in the freedom struggle, and questioned the role of the RSS during the independence movement. “Those who did not participate in the freedom struggle have no moral right to claim credit today,” he said.

Highlighting CPI’s ideological position, he said the party stood not only as communists but also as internationalists, extending solidarity to people fighting for rights and freedom across the world. Referring to the situation in Palestine, Raja expressed concern over civilian suffering and reiterated support for an independent Palestine and a two-state solution in line with UN resolutions.



He also criticised the policies of the Centre, alleging that India’s global standing had weakened in recent years. Raja accused the Modi government of succumbing to pressure from the United States and corporate interests, and called for resisting what he described as imperialist forces.
He said the communists had played an important role in building post-Independence India, especially in strengthening public sector undertakings and planned development, and urged continued struggle to protect national interests.
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>BJP won Maharashtra by a landslide
How did they keep doing this

>>2657596
Muh muslims or something?

>>2657698
Partially but the INC coalition partner in Maharashtra are also Hindutva lite chauvinists created specifically to break organized left in Mumbai (yes, this is the state of politics in India, you fight fascism with other fascists) and they still lost badly, not even able to capture a majority of lower caste, Buddhist or Muslim voters. Absolute impotent performance

What if there were anonymous shitposters on leftypol that did praxis
But didn't brag about it or ask for donations

>>2657346
Well let's face it man, there's only so many reasons you wouldn't
>You don't like attention and keep a low profile. Possibly autistic and prob aren't a serious threat to the system
>You're a pussy. You don't wanna risk being incriminated for wrong think let alone wrong action, thereby keep a low profile and while that might be smart short term, it also means you are the easiest to compromise

It is natural to the human condition to want benefit. Be it physical benefit of donations or higher yearnings like ego boosts and praise.

Pic very related because let's say you were face to face with this gorgeous bitch whose wrong about everything.
>She knows you steal from Target. Scalping those pokemon cards to sell as singles, free money for the revolution and by revolution I mean you can pay your bills
>Assuming she doesn't just scream to garner mob attention over what's barely a misdemeanor, she won't sleep with you at the very least
>Sad… That's prime rib cunny lost to ideology. Zizak/Jesus wept.
>You know what would make you feel better? A Paypal donation to the ACP, or your discord channel full of other nerds saying she's a libshit and all the other leftists have a septum theory of value and maybe one of them will suck your peepee
>I mean you could just lie but that doesn't mean you gonna impregnate. Lying will just guarantee she leaves you alone. IE you're the coward or the autist.
>To take the lie further just for her delightful loins would be a detriment to you because you can only lie for so long because holy shit she's dumb. You'll either break and punch her or end up lying to yourself and find yourself becoming the reactionary.
>What ever will you do Che Guevara?

They're probably feds trying to cripple the left by making it completely irrelevant and out of touch.

>>2657093
>the time it will take to create the envisioned society is literally multiple lifetimes, ie even if revolution happened tomorrow, the task of creating the society we want doesn't end, if anything, that's when it really begins
yes i keep telling that to the puritanical dumbasses on here. Let's read some theory that says the same thing:

<What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm


<Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

<To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.

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>>2657093
>"sex work won't exist, so there's no need to engage with it"
>"small businesses won't exist so engaging with them is wrong"
>"drugs will be banned under communism, so engaging with the people who consume them is wrong"
Boring, but I'll bite since I don't feel like grading papers right now:
Who says this?!
I swear half of the posts on this site sound like AI hallucinations for how completely disconnected they are from what literally anyone is saying. Or hell, what do you even mean by "engaging" anyways. Do you mean recruiting from those segments, adopting their ideas, struggling with them, or just talking with them? The weaselly way you use that word reflects the audacious dishonesty of this entire strawman "argument".

Sex work is inherently coercive and must be abolished. It's not a career, it's rape. Sex workers are lumpen and their right to life and safety should be defended, women's councils should be formed and armed to enforce this violently if need be, while pimps and Johns should be lynched.
The petty bourgeoisie cannot be relied on to be anything approaching a revolutionary class as a whole, especially in first world settler colonial contexts where their entire way of life relies on imperialism. Some few individuals in this class might place politics first and commit class suicide, but this isn't a behavior that can be relied on to be carried out with any kind of mass consistency. You cannot sweet talk a small business owner into supporting the revolution in any genuine way while remaining in their class position. Struggle where you can, but never get your hopes up.
Lastly, I don't think there's ever been a consistent communist position on drugs beyond "the masses should be clear-headed while decisions need to be made". I certainly don't know of anyone who has advocated that communists not "engage" with anyone who partakes in drug usage, especially since that's not an internally cohesive group in any meaningful way when you investigate it. What drugs are done is different along class lines, but drug usage has been shown to be a pretty universal practice across all class strata, maybe somewhat more prevalent among the bourgeois classes. It would be obviously meaningPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

US justice department subpoenas Minnesota Democrats accused of impeding ICE efforts
A copy of a subpoena to the office of the Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Frey, obtained by the Guardian, requests guidance and policies related to immigration enforcement in Minnesota since last year. It also requests communication regarding those policies with other state agencies, as well as documents related to “hindering, doxxing, identifying, or surveilling immigration officers”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/20/minnesota-democrats-subpoenas-justice-department

NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani and US Sen. Bernie Sanders rally with nurses on ninth day of strike
The democratic socialists, speaking to a boisterous crowd of nurses in front of Mount Sinai West on the Upper West Side, called on hospital executives to return to the negotiating table to resolve the contract impasse that prompted some 15,000 nurses to walk off the job last week.
https://apnews.com/article/nursing-strike-new-york-bernie-sanders-mayor-mamdani-c6a23222b6275c553e78d033994a5a79

‘It Has to Stop’: Minnesota Police Chief Says Off-Duty Cops Racially Profiled by ICE
“In Brooklyn Park, one particular officer who shared her story with me was stopped as she passed ICE going down the roadway,” Bruley continued. “They demanded her paperwork, [but] she is a US citizen, and clearly would not have any paperwork. When she became concerned about the rhetoric and the way she was being treated she pulled out her phone in an attempt to record the incident. The phone was knocked out of her hands.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-racial-profiling

ICE arrests elderly, underdressed Hmong-American man inside his St. Paul home over mistaken identity, family says
The family of the man taken from the home, Chongly Scott Thao, says it was a case of mistaken identity. In an online fundraiser, they say ICE agents broke down the door, entered with weapons drawnPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

What lies ahead in 2026?
As 2026 gets underway, British capitalism is entering another year in its long-running decline and disarray. This isn’t just a rough patch. Economic weakness, institutional decay, and social malaise are converging. Together they point to a system that has reached its limits. As the management committee of this broken system, the Starmer government is hated. But the anger goes deeper than just the government. The authority of Britain’s major institutions has collapsed. The police, the monarchy, the BBC, the courts, Parliament itself – none command any real respect. What’s striking is that the distrust comes from the left and right. The right sees ‘two-tier policing’ and a biased media; the left sees repression and corruption. All see the economic crisis and falling living standards. And increasing numbers draw the conclusion that these institutions are not neutral, competent, or legitimate. Westminster’s two-party system is now finished. Historically, Britain’s electoral system produced stable governments by rotating power between two large parties that could both, when push came to shove, be trusted to defend the interests of British capitalism. That arrangement is now breaking down.
https://communist.red/what-lies-ahead-in-2026/

“Bolivia Is Not for Sale”
“Fuerza, fuerza, fuerza! Fuerza, compañeros!” bellowed a man in a miner’s helmet into a megaphone. Marching through the sun-drenched streets in the haze of noisy firecrackers, thousands of miners, workers, peasants, civil society associations, and indigenous organizations in Bolivia descended on the city of La Paz earlier this month in the biggest social mobilization in at least five years. Beyond the city, road blockades led by union locals brought transport to a near standstill across the country. In the streets, the mantra was “Bolivia no se vende” (Bolivia is not for sale). The mass protests against the executive decree of newly elected Rodrigo Paz’s conservative government lasted nearly a month. While presented as the elimination of the fuel subsidy, which keeps gasoline prices artificially low, Decree 5503 would have also privatized key natural resources and implemented a wide range of austerity measures. The impressive display of workers’ might, combined with an effective negotiation strategy by the traPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2657420
even fucking CNN states it but people here still believe communism is democratic so its *gotta* be about "the majority"

>muh haz
idk how that retard can correctly point out skilled professionals have vastly different material interests to proles and then say shit like "uhhh baristas arent proles bc uhhhhhhh purple hair"

There is no cohesive observable ideological core for the MIGA movement. It's a tool to control the cattle.
On top it's imperialism, on the bottom the tune changes every 5 minutes. One second it's "globalism sucks", the second "we invaded a country and kidnapped its president, and we're supporting regime change on the other side of the world, and we're sending more weapons to Israel"

>>2657422
>even fucking CNN states it
Maybe, just maybe, the fact that you agree with CNN, the libest of all lib outlets, that working class = white people without four year degrees, is a sign that you don't actually know shit about Marxian class relations and should probably study up.

>skilled professionals have vastly different material interests to proles
The labor aristocracy is still a segment of the proletariat. A programmer might have a higher quality of life than a factory worker, but at a fundamental level, they're both exploited by the bourgeois in the exact same way. Working class, in the context of Marxian economics, does not mean "poor person", it means anyone who provides a product or a service to an employer who then profits off said good or service. Poverty is an effect of this relationship, not a cause, and starts affecting more and more people further up the pecking order the more emboldened the bourgeois becomes and the further capitalism advaces.

>>2657420
why do you think the working class is comprised exclusively of white people

>>2657464
I don't. CNN sure does though.

>>2642553
A Neuro surgeon did go to school for ten years and has to deal with a lot of bullshit even in the medical field to actually practice and adheres to strict practice or loses the medical license. So they cannot competitively be called bourgeois as we understand the term. They don't even necessarily own capital. They're just highly paid (because they're a fucking surgeon) and it's an overall reputable job that gets you lots of pussy and praise.

There's nothing wrong with calling someone privileged. You can be privileged without being bourgeois.

>>2657285
>they invested absurd amounts of money to become a professional who is so highly sought after theyd have to be incredibly stupid to suffer unemployment…… so that means they CANT be petit bourgeois (??)
lmfao ofc its a retard with a christcuck flag posting dumb garbage

>They don't even necessarily own capital
they earn stupidly high wages which lets them acquire assets you fat fucking retard

>You can be privileged without being bourgeois
the proletariat is immiserated and the bourgeous includes the petit bourgeois you braindead dipshit

why is everyone here a stupid amerilard bro. its incredible. nothing but bullshit after bullshit

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>>2657293
Liberals - because they are bleeding hearts for democracy - just lump everyone into the proletariat because they think communism is about the "masses". Like, watch them go "uhh, actually bureaucrats are proletariat too since they don’t own the means of production."

Where would you put an engineer in the oil industry who oversees projects, makes three figures a year, has large shares in the company, has a pension fund and private healthcare? Is it by accident that they will vote for parties that cater to the oil industry? Cue some academic quackery about how they're literally brainwashed and not simply following their class interests.

The petty bourgeois is a constantly decaying class that has very easily spotted positions in society and in industry. Only here is this remotely controversial.

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>>2657285
Someone who earns a salary high enough to begin accumulating assets is very obviously not a reserveless wage-labourer.

Leaving Marxological justifications aside for a moment, do you really think that someone who works at an office and can look forward to having a nice career, eventually being able to buy a home etc. has the same immediate interests and need for association as someone working in a factory? The former obviously enjoys a position of relative security. The fact that home ownership gives people a stake in the stability of society is widely known to governments and policymakers. You can even find people like Peter Thiel talking about it openly.

That isn't to say that homeownership automatically makes someone petty bourgeois or that one becomes petty bourgeois only when one buys a home, but you have to take factors like this into consideration. A student who takes a minimum wage job but can expect to make 200k after finishing university is also not a proletarian in any meaningful sense of the term.

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>>2657306
I'm glad to know leftypol has the same level of class analysis as CNN.

>>2627683
>no, and im just about ready to stop posting here tbh.
Fuuuuuuuuuuck. I missed this. RIP big one. You kept this thread alive.

>>2627744
>You're a bright fellow
I take it you haven't read any of the authors that guy refers to lol

He thinks that value ratios and exchange-value ratios are the same in the system of Marx and people have shown him over and over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER that they are not, this has been going on for what, over a year now? Densest mothafucka in leftypol history.

Can you recommend some kind of petty-bourgeois socialism for me? One that would allow for small or even medium-sized businesses?

>>2657165
Join the center for political innovation. maupin industries soon hiring!

>>2657177
They're just Nazi, right?

>>2657213
I'm too stupid to understand this please explain

>>2657214
30 Year USD Bond Yields just spiked up because of Greenland shenanigans

>Euros dumping US stocks and bonds
>Bonds riskier = Yields rise
>Mortgages for example are tied to these, so burger mortgage monthly payments are going up
>Everyone gets higher borrowing costs (from people to corps/govts) and dollar dumps

Those argie gusanos that spent their life savings on dollars must be shitting themselves to death rn lole

>>2657220
This means in a while CD interest yields will rise as well, since they tail the bond market

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… chuds