/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2891308
Chatgpt ass map

>>2890443
In persom does not compare with photos, I will go to the one in the south next year. Will not go to the one in 2028 tho since its not total

>>2891277
Hasn't this been attempted before?

>>2891363
China and Cuba have been quietly expanding their coop sectors if Richard Wolff is to be believed

Anyways, half of this question should be answered with a history book in hand, but I dont have that data. But regardless, iirc there are many academic studies that show cooperatives can be more competitive than regular firms. In principle it makes sense, since a pyramidal system with some random dude at the top and different layers of PMC at the bottom seems less rational than an actual board of administrators that can check and balance each other and which are subject to change in case of failure.

Yes but the moment it is actually building up the state will put down it's boot on your neck.

We're allowed some coops to use as proof that there is some economic liberty present, the moment it means anything else it's bonebreaking time

>>2891048
Market competition itself creates winners and losers; the logic of debt and profit inevitably recreates capitalist conditions. The Yugoslav experience demonstrates that this leads to conflict between cooperative managers and the workers within those cooperatives—who may blackmail the rest of society by manipulating prices and pressuring the state to relax regulations, thereby facilitating exploitative dynamics that restore typical capitalist relations. Furthermore, there is the conflict involving the many unemployed and indebted workers from failed cooperatives who require constant state intervention. Another issue is the rise of nationalist opportunists who exploit the individualism fostered by competing cooperatives to deceive the masses. A crisis is inevitable; just as the Proudhonists in the Paris Commune—through the very process of practice—transformed into Marxists and spontaneously abolished the cooperative market, a similar shift toward economic planning occurred within the CNT-FAI in Catalonia. This proves that there is no stable state of competing cooperatives; such a situation inevitably generates conflict that leads either to the restoration of typical private capitalist relations or to the nationalization and coordination of these cooperatives under an economic plan designed to meet the population's needs and ensure remuneration based on labor, free from competition.

>>2891277
You are overlooking the fact that bank nationalization is a crucial requirement for a successful communist revolution, according to the critiques Marx leveled at the Paris Commune and all revolutions that established the dictatorship of the proletariat. If a country possesses the means of production—moving beyond backward peasant farming—then the nationalization and socialization of all industries, natural resources, energy, transport, communication, land, housing, healthcare, education, childcare, pensions, technology, and food supplies become necessary; or, at the very least, it is essential to end competition among cooperatives in sectors that cannot yet be fully socialized due to technological limitations or isolation.

China (And Iran BTFO's Drumpf's timeline) just saved Cuba:

>They are swapping their gas-guzzling 1950s American cars for electric motorcycles and rickshaws from China; importing hefty lithium batteries to keep televisions and fans running through blackouts; jury-rigging generators to run on more accessible natural gas; and installing solar panels on rooftops and even vehicles.
>The result is that Cuba has lasted far longer without fuel shipments than the Trump administration expected.
>After hearing about the oil blockade, Mr. Palmero learned on YouTube how to distill junk plastic into homemade gasoline and diesel. He has since built a tiny, makeshift refinery in his backyard to power his motorcycle and light his stove.
>“We look for solutions,” he said. “The economic restrictions are slowly killing us, but we’re pulling through with all our might, managing to get by until we see what happens next.”

>In Havana and beyond, the crisis’s effects were clear.
>We met families walking two hours for water because government pumps had run out of diesel. Women, lacking gas, cooked with firewood on the street. Powerless refrigerators became cabinets. Hitchhikers littered roadsides after the city halted public busing. And dozens of people told us they were simply exhausted after so many sleepless nights in the sweltering heat without fans or air-conditioning.

>Vehicles were on the road — despite black-market gasoline reaching $30 a gallon — because many were electric. Restaurants were open for the few who could afford them, powered by rumbling generators out back. Hospitals, government buildings and the airport had power because they were on protected parts of the grid. Medical clinics, nursing homes and bank branches ran off solar panels donated by China.
>Cell service was sometimes working. Televisions showing the World Cup were not hard to find. And even roadside stands were serving cold beer from refrigerators powered by the sun.

>While not everyone can afford alternative power sources, their energy has trickled down. Electric rickshaws ferry people to work. Solar panels have kept stores open. And people charge their phones and lanterns off their neiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

sort of offtopic but i think the horseshoe model and the left-right linear model and other models people invent for describing politics are fundamentally flawed, i mean if your linear model has to be amended into a circular horseshoe shape to better account for reality that ought to tell you that your whole conception of politics was bunk to begin with. before you can start drawing up a model you have to figure out where exactly the delineation is, what is the specific thing that people become politically divided over. personally i don't think it is about policy or structure, i think it is a psychological/epistemological division, it's about how people think and see the world and their place in it. i think the real fundamental difference is between people who think they are separate from the world and people who do not, between narcissism and humility. if a person thinks that one or a few elite rulers can and should decide the fate of the entire world, it doesn't really make any difference how the monarchy/vanguard rules or how they structure everything or what checks and balances they program in or how benevolent or malevolent they are, they have already stepped over the line from humble human beings to egomaniacal wannabe demigods just by believing that they have the right and the ability to wield such power, by believing that they are a higher observer outside of everything and that they aren't just a small insignificant locality in a vast system. the cruel nihilistic tyrant and the caring paternalistic tyrant are both still tyrants, and the latter kind of tyrant flips to the former kind in the blink of an eye.

Dengoids claim that Huawei is a socialist cooperative, but now I see it's a religious cult.

Let it be known, that Zhu Rongji was an enemy of socialism, a rightist, a capitalist roader, and a neoliberal.

>>2883881
It's harder to attain polytechnic education in the burgerreich than in China as a prole, but when it comes to developing the productive forces and "proletarization" I don't see how developing productive forces in USA differs from developing the productive forces in China. China is a communist party-state but the methods they use for developing productive forces still keep the class dynamics and the time horizon for Communism and comprehensively reworking those relations of productions is 100+ years, Xi said that himself
>the consolidation and development of the socialist system […] will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations (200ish years).
If Chinese approach of "communism must win but only after capacity of developing productive forces of capitalism (and every mixed system) will be exhausted" is correct then developing the productive forces in USA also would help global socialism, right?

>>2890648
>irridescent langley infiltraitor
we should support are troops even if they're genocidal babykillers with nazi, klan, and punisher tattoos. you need to turn kkk members so avoid telling the truth to protect their feelings.

>sensible communist
<your government doesn't care about you GI, they sent you into the jungle to die. turn your weapon on your real enemy GI. there is nothing waiting for you at home but addiction and pain.

>>2890615
> telling them that they're being fucked over by porky and urging them turn on their leadership for their own sake. This is just mocking them and reveling in their suffering.
it was mocking them and urging them to be less mockworthy by turning on their masters.

>>2890666
>your government doesn't care about you GI, they sent you into the jungle to die. turn your weapon on your real enemy GI. there is nothing waiting for you at home but addiction and pain.
omg why are you mocking them and reveling in their suffering :(:(:(

>>2890628
>What even is this reformist dogshit?
huh?

>>2890585
>have never drawn that distinction either during or after WW1
Because the professionalization of the army wasn't as widespread. And it makes a difference whether the Estonian army consists of 3k volunteers ready to kill pillage and rape Russians or out of 30k mobiks that just want to go back to their home and grill. The 3k are never going to become communists. Out of the 30k, a good chunk might. See the difference? Different material conditions means also different theory you dumb bookish nerd. Muh comintern. Get a fucking grip, the thing doesn't exist for almost a 100 years a this point.

>And the Nordics never even had colonies in the first place
Well ackchyually…

>>2890803
This changes everything…

>>2890121
It's not that I believe it, but there is a kernel of truth to it in that having a large neocolonial empire obviously makes it easier to outsource class antagonism and maintain higher living standards for workers in the metropole. It's just that people apply this thinking far too rigidly and dogmatically, in the process essentially reproducing the bourgeois notion that there simply isn't enough global wealth to support universally high living standards.

>>2890834
this is a good sabo post, i was sad (and mad) when you yelled at me for being mean to the burger troops.

neutralpedos are we really posting on here GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG

Thomson Reuters Slammed for Deal That Gives ICE Access to Private Profiles of Tens of Millions of Americans
More than two dozen watchdog organizations are calling on Congress to investigate reports that the data broker Thomson Reuters is making its investigative database available to US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which they warn will make Americans vulnerable to Fourth Amendment violations.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/thomson-reuters-ice

Hospitals push for upfront payments as patient deductibles and out-of-pocket costs rise
Medical providers are collecting larger shares of what patients might owe at a time when rising deductibles mean patients are owing more for care. The preservice charge could be all or part of a remaining deductible, for example, or a sizable percentage of what the visit or treatment might cost. Those deductibles go up when hospital prices, drug costs, and labor expenses increase, as insurers try to slow premium growth by shifting more costs to patients.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospitals-upfront-payments-rising-deductibles/

US Citizen Calls ICE ‘Unhinged’ After Agent Points Gun at Her
Footage recorded by American citizen Carolina Molina, which went viral earlier in the week, showed a masked federal immigration agent pointing a handgun at her an office parking lot in Falls Church, Virginia, as they detained two men.
https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-ice-agent-pointing-gun-at-us-citizen-in-virginia-falls-church-12312508
https://archive.ph/ozWi8

US appeals court voids formula used to avert surprise medical bills
The case concerned the No Surprises Act, a 2020 law requiring ​healthcare providers and insurers to negotiate reimbursement rates themselves rather than stick patients with huge ​bills for out-of-network treatments, especially in emergencies. … Tuesday's majority sided ​with the providers in Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Fidel Castro at 100: History Has Absolved Him!: Nikos Mottas Editor-in-Chief of In Defense of Communism
It is against this background that Fidel Castro’s stature comes fully into view. The Cuban Revolution was not the work of one man. Revolutions are made by masses, through organized struggle and under concrete historical conditions. But denying Fidel’s exceptional role would be as absurd as reducing the Revolution to his personality. He became one of the giants of the revolutionary movement of the twentieth century not because history granted him some mystical quality, but because his life became inseparable from a revolution that overthrew Batista, confronted the Cuban bourgeoisie and U.S. imperialism, defended socialist power through extraordinary trials and placed a small Caribbean island on the side of peoples fighting colonialism, apartheid and imperialist domination across the world. Nor does Fidel need to be transformed into a saint. Marxism has no use for saints. He made mistakes; the Revolution made mistakes. Policies were corrected, experiments failed and contradictions were sometimes underestimated. The decisive historical question is not whether errors occurred, but which class interests were being fought, which power was being defended and in which direction Cuban society was struggling to advance. That question remains decisive today.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/08/fidel-castro-at-100-history-has-absolved-him.html

Defend the Cuban revolution! Defeat US imperialism! Fight for world socialism!
Emboldened by the immediate success of its January 3 attack on Venezuela, US imperialism has launched an unprecedented campaign of economic asphyxiation and military bullying of Cuba. The 60 year old blockade has been strengthened since the beginning of the year with a near complete oil blockade which has decimated Cuba’s ability to produce energy with devastating effects on the daily lives of millions. A systematic criminal and very effective campaign of secondary sanctions and diplomatic pressure has targeted all aspects of Cuba’s economy (tourism, mining, the export of medical services, shipping, trade). This is a brutal and cruel medieval siege with the aim of achieving surrender by hunger. Economic measures have been supplemented byPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tyna

That’s also true of every other US based group after the civil war

Black Panthers were the only historically progressive thing to come out of the muttmerican left

t. leftcom

>>2889573
>muttmerican
>leftcom
The jokes write themselves

What's the difference between LARPers and Real Revolutionaries (TM)?

>>2890717
not knowing and not satisfying the success condition available according to the present condition the movement finds itself in, vs knowing it or at least satisfying it by luck

Just a missguided form of class anger that's end reaction is usually a mass shooting.

>law enforcement agencies
Don’t care what illiterate porky shocktroopers think

>>2884896
All of those mass shooters have either a direct and/or indirect (via immediate family) connection to state militaries and security apparatuses.

>>2884896
The US populace is highly medicated. If that were the case the streets would be a warzone. I bet WITHOUT these medications (and other treats and pacificsation tools, screens, entertainment, music, porn, etc.) it would get much worse.

>>2890519
I don't think it's all pacification tbh. After all politics is done, what next? More politics? Happiness?

I'm referring to the arrival fallacy of course. Unless an individual has an idea of their own retirement from politics, they possess Yukio Mishima's bullshido madness >>2885001

Bruce Lee was better anyway.

The thing with the "oligarchic world" is it's extremely easy for both state actors even at their weakest point or just lone wolf types to litteraly kill said oligarch and their family therefore to submit them, and they are well aware of that. I mean look at what Putin did.
Nobody is actually ready to die for Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, they can't buy honor and fidelity just mercenaries, nobody was even really ready to die for Walt Dysney and Henry Ford and these guys were actually geniuses.

It doesnt matter if Trump is a retard if he want he can litteraly ask his supporter both in the civilian population or the federal agencies to murder wathever billionaire he dislike and theyll do it and hell get away with it, likewise for a lib president. The power of the oligarch is extremely fake and gay, there's a reason Tyler Robinson freaked them out so much recently to the point of implicitely backing down on their RW signaling, they litteraly did nothing as a response for a reason.

The Russian state has been completely pillaged and the copper wires stolen after 1991, the military was in shamble and it took Putin what? 5 years to submit these guys? No need to make mountains out of molehills.

>>2888791
>then started astroturfing people curtis yarvin out of goddamn nowhere to spread and manufacture consent for a corporate and libertarian society,
No, not out of nowhere. That kind of stuff has been around for a long while and needs deconstructing.
>>2884944
>>2885001

>>2890487
Why all the violence? The people have to want the right thing?