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Stupid question.

How come elections tend to always be like 49%/51% but not something spectacular like 70%/30%?

It feels to me like its programmed so that one tendency never have too much power.

What gives?
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>>2939699
There used to exist elections with stats like this before polarization

>>2939699

>How come elections tend to always be like 49%/51% but not something spectacular like 70%/30%?


In multiparty systems this is not common at all. USA has a "first-past-the-post" election system that results in two parties. These two parties then regulate themselves to compete over the average voter.

>>2940602
Ronald Reagan won his presidency with 59% against 41%.

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nah

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>>2939980
>Whether the vote totals are manipulated to make it seem more competitive, or if it's an exact science of advertising and PR that splits the electorate into 2 near equal camps, who knows.
Speaking from an Ameriburger perspective, it's both. The former through political machine corruption like gerrymandering, the latter through bourgeois "political science" and marketing. Each candidate is a highly curated product meant to capture a specific cross section of the electorate thought strategically useful. Also the poorest are just discouraged from voting at all since candidates only care about the petty bourgeoisie and the bourgeoisie. They rely on the votes of the petty bourgeoisie and the donations of the bourgeoisie. For presidents especially they spend term 1 doing things the donors like but avoiding things that would piss off their voters, and they spend term 2 doing things the donor like with no regard for the voters. The mostly nonvoting working class are just seen as plebs who are supposed to shut up and take it up the ass and be grateful they don't live in one of the places getting bombed.



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Modern day AI is literally just the
>All personal property is owned by the collective
communist strawman that boomers and rightoids like to espouse. So why do they all love it so much?
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>>2934189
It makes the world worse. Despite the mountains of ink spilt trying to define it, progressive and conservative are comedically easy things to understand. If something makes the world better, it is progressive. If something makes the world worse, it is conservative. AI, billionaires, and child rape are all therefore conservative.
All conservatives intuitively understand this, so they love AI.

>>2936330
guns are conservative when the ruling class uses them to shoot the workers

guns are progressive when workers use them to shoot the ruling class

apply this to "AI" or any other technology

>>2936338
True, but consider guns were invented in a context where the working class had some (not much) power of who made and who had access to the technology. pistols were developed by factory workers and sold to regular citizens. The guns the army had were only slightly better than the ones sold to regular people. AI, by necessity of needing lots of computing power, plus the much larger control governments have over their people, is in its strongest form exclusive to the rich. therefore, it cannot be used by the proletariat in any meaningful sense, and it is therefore evil. by the same metric, basically all future technology will be evil, since it will be controlled by capital.

Basically, imagine if a genie let you choose some future sci-fi tech, but only jeffery epstein had access to it. would that be a better or worse world?

>>2934189
AI agents are what MLs imagine communism is like
>No control over the MoP
>If you protest it you'll still be killed by the state
>But it's post scarcity, you can ask the AI for anything and it will give it to you
>Quality is irrelevant because it's free

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>>2936330
>Despite the mountains of ink spilt trying to define it, progressive and conservative are comedically easy things to understand. If something makes the world better, it is progressive. If something makes the world worse, it is conservative.



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https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2026/10/04/on-my-expulsion-from-the-communist-party-of-britain/

PAUL COCKSHOTT EXPELLED FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF GREAT BRITAIN FOR "ANTISEMITISM" AMONG OTHER THINGS

Quote:

The basis for this seems to have been that I retweeted commentary by Craig Murray and David Miller about the arson that was committed against a group of ambulances in London that belonged to a Jewish community charity. As readers may recall, the media and the Government immediately described the arson as evidence of growing antisemitism and suggested that it was probably part of a conspiracy directed by the Iranian Government. Security Minister Dan Jarvis told Parliament: “The House will be aware that the police are treating this arson attack as an antisemitic hate crime.” Prime Minister Keir Starmer described it as: “a horrific antisemitic attack”. Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood referred to it as an: “Iranian-linked firebomb attack” and an “abhorrent crime”. By July the Government’s language became considerably stronger. Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper announced sanctions on an Iran-linked group and stated that the organisation had: “publicly claimed responsibility” for attacks including “the antisemitic arson attack on four Hatzola ambulances in Golders Green in March” The same statement further asserted: “members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Qods Force … almost certainly directed IMCR attacks across Europe.” You may recall that clause 15 of the CP’s Social Media Protocol states that members should not promote antisemitic conspiracy theories or conspiracy theories based on unverifiable claims. It is evident that a conspiracy took place because, in law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a criminal offence. Arson is a crime, and three people were filmed setting fire to the vehicles. The existence of a conspiracy is therefore not unverifiable. What remained unverified was any claim about the perpetrators’ motivation, organisation, or links to a specific foreign government. At the time, responsibility for the attack remained a matter of public dispute. Government ministers advanced one interpretation of the evidence. Craig Murray advanced another. Reposting a journalist who qPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2940970
> So I'm guessing you will have lesbian forces besiege counter-revolutionary fortresses manned by gay guys.
giga

>>2941059
>>2940660
also, I forgot to add, if homosexuals weren't discriminated against in adoption, they could easily form families, and even take unwanted children off of cishets, which cishets do in fact make a lot of, so if anything ending discrimination against homosexuals would negate dickblast's clumsy critiques anyway, but still I think you mischaracterize them a bit

>>2940970
That's because he assume men couple don't want children (giga if true), whereas lesbian have female hormones and shit that makes you want to be a mom

>>2941059
>I think his argument is kind of clumsy and full of holes
I mean these debates have a tendency to get moralistic or people debating whether he's a phobe. But more than that I think his framework is just very strange, overly mechanical (like I was saying earlier ITT). The proletariat in Marxism is mainly defined by its relationship to production fundamentally, which is not what he's doing here, it's some estimate of hourly value creation on an accountant's balance sheet and defining class that way. Like I said he explicitly says (read the comments under the video I mentioned) where he says class as a relationship to production is incorrect, he thinks it's a Second International idea and he doesn't like it.

>>2941060
I know it's a great image. Like imagine that going down in the year 2099 in Russia or something.



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marx says oppressor vs. oppressed but there will always be oppressed less vs. oppressed more

house slave/field slave
butler/serf
cavalry/infantry
office worker/manual laborer
unionized/non-unionized
first worlder/third worlder

and that's not even getting into identity (cis/trans) biology (male/female) lifestyle (no kids/kids) and habits (no addictions/addictions)

how do you unite the international proletariat which is so easily divided and conquered? even on here people would rather attack each other for anything from gooning habits to religion rather than talk about class struggle.
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>>2940352
I don’t see how you make those types of societal transformations without taking state power first, maybe I’m stupid or my imagination has been squashed by living in neoliberal hell all my life but it seems state power is the first and primary major bottleneck to progress there, from there you have to deal with foreign relations and whatnot

>>2940345
I understand the insufferable chanism of making up shit nobody said and insisting it was implied

>>2940352
not the best thread but i'm glad this has sparked a discussion of gene sharp and the whole 3% thing tbh

>oppressed less vs. oppressed more
>first worlder/third worlder
But first worlders are more exploited than third worlders, not less

>>2940807
>confusing oppression with exploitation
anon, for marx, exploitation is extraction of surplus value from the purchase of commodified labor power in exchange for subsistence wages. oppression can take many forms besides exploitation. for example, if I bomb the shit out of your family and steal the land you live on, I am oppressing you even if I am not exploiting you.
> first worlders are more exploited than third worlders, not less
yes, and rich people are generally taxed more than poor people as well, but nobody would take that seriously as an argument about their quality of life



 

Brazil’s Flávio Bolsonaro leaves Brazil for the United States, according to multiple media reports
A spokesperson for Bolsonaro did not respond to a request for comment. Bolsonaro’s brother, Eduardo Bolsonaro, who lives in Texas, had publicly encouraged him to leave Brazil if he lost the election. Bolsonaro has touted his relationship with U.S. President Donald Trump and visited the White House in May. The family connections go deeper: His brother Eduardo Bolsonaro was convicted in absentia in June of illegally lobbying the Trump administration and sentenced to four years in prison. A warrant was recently issued for his arrest.
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-flavio-bolsonaro-passport-lula-1f64bda20de066eeea04349e0319820a

Venezuelan: Acting Rodríguez Gov’t Advances Fiscal, Labor Reforms
“We seek to lower the barriers to formalization across all sectors, particularly for the smallest businesses, entrepreneurs, and small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs),” he stressed. Rodríguez also announced a review of the registry of Special Taxpayers, known as “special contributors,” with the list reduced from 132,000 to around 44,000. These are individuals or legal entities that, because of their high income or assets, are subject to additional tax obligations.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuelan-acting-rodriguez-govt-advances-fiscal-labor-reforms/

Around 1,000 soldiers from El Salvador have deployed to Haiti, source says
It remains unclear who will command the new Salvadoran contingent, and how long they will operate in the Caribbean country. The government, which has gone without elected leaders for years, has struggled to rally foreign support to fight armed ​gangs that have taken control of much of the capital and surrounding regions, triggering ​violence that has displaced nearly 1.5 million people.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/around-1000-soldiers-el-salvador-have-deployed-haiti-Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Top Rubio adviser for Venezuela and Cuba leaves State Dept.
Lewin played crucial roles in shaping the administration's foreign policy, particularly in normalizing relations between the U.S. and Venezuela after the Jan. 3 ouster of Nicolas Maduro. Lewin first entered the federal government via Elon Musk's DOGE effort to cut government spending. He is getting married and has a job lined up in the private sector after he returns from his honeymoon.
https://www.axios.com/2026/10/27/rubio-adviser-state-department-venezuela-departs
https://archive.ph/onnYl

Trump administration asks Washington to set aside hundreds of ballots from suspected noncitizen voters
The Trump administration on Monday asked Washington state to set aside any ballots received from more than 400 people it alleges are registered to vote without US citizenship, less than two weeks after making a similar demand in California. The announcement is the latest sign of the administration’s attempts to sow doubts about the election or its outcome in states with races that will help determine control of the US Senate and House.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/26/trump-washington-ballots-aside-noncitizen-voters

Alexander brothers each get 30 years in prison after women spoke of being drugged and raped by them
Three once high-flying brothers convicted of exploiting their wealth and access to luxury real estate to drug and rape dozens of women were sentenced Tuesday to 30 years in prison. U.S. District Judge Valerie E. Caproni announced the punishment for Tal, Oren and Alon Alexander — known collectively as the Alexander Brothers — after 11 accusers spoke in court.
https://apnews.com/article/alexander-brothers-sex-trafficking-sentencing-7bb4833c8b049f8f35228c30ba605452

Minimum Wage Freeze Hits NYC Workers Amid Rising Inflation
The quirkPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Communism is potatoes? Capitalism is no potatoes!
The most common slander thrown at communism, or the degenerated Soviet Union, are that there were perpetual famines. There is also the myth that Soviet citizens only ate potatoes, despite the CIA reporting the Soviet Union enjoyed a richer diet than the US in the 1970s. Yet capitalism in Europe is facing a potato shortage. A brutal heatwave over the summer wiped out 3 million tonnes of spuds worth £525 million as fields baked and stunted growth. This is in addition to the 3.6 million spuds that weren’t grown last year, making Europe dependant on imports for food, and harming agriculture industries in Netherlands, France, Belgium, and Germany.
https://communist.red/communism-is-potatoes-capitalism-is-no-potatoes/

Focus on the Real Drivers of the Affordability Crisis
Over the past five years, the price of consumer goods has dominated American political discourse. From Donald Trump to Zohran Mamdani, winning candidates have used “affordability politics” to articulate popular dissatisfaction with economic conditions. From the price of eggs to gas to burritos, the terms of discussion in the media, the campaign trail, and the proverbial kitchen table have revolved around the cost-of-living crisis embodied in these consumer goods. Although figures on the Right and center of the political scene have used inflation and affordability politics to bolster their agendas, during the second Trump administration, it is the Left and center left that have principally benefited from the salience of price talk. Indeed, the Democrats’ 2026 midterm messaging strategy has centered on blaming Trump’s Republicans for the cost-of-living crisis that Trump himself successfully pinned on Joe Biden just two years ago. That aggressive focus on the cost of living and a promise of consumer affordability will likely continue to be a successful playbook for both left and right anti-incumbent campaigns in the coming years. But in order for a political movement to actually address the cost-of-living crisis once in office, it needs a clearer picture of where those costs are coming from and how they have changed over time. Our affordability politics must go beyond lowering the price of eggs. And trends in American household spending underscore perhaps tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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First LGBT Neoliberalglobohomoism got Hungary and now it got Serbia also.

How do we fix this /leftypol/?

We need to at least critically support anti EU/NATO like AFD against UkroNazis.
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>>2940998
Trump will lose too. It is so over for the proletariat.

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>>2940998
>We need to at least critically support anti EU/NATO like AFD against UkroNazis.
<we need to support nazis to oppose nazis
Count me out.

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It's okay, comrade Orban is next in line for UN general secretary, get ready for anti imperialist United Nations

>>2941027
France and UK opposes this in the security council.

Anti-imperialism is when you sell arms to Israel and enter a partnership with them to build a drone factory?



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Now, I get that things were different back then. Che was one of the most, if not the only well known leftist guerrilla figures in the West, a truly romanticized ideal for university students and academics to idolize and see themselves in. But I’m sure that even back then, with just a little research, they could have realized that his military theory was half-baked. It was written specifically within the super specific context of Batista’s Cuba and when applied outside those unique conditions, it failed.

In fact, I feel it’s much more important to look at those failures and what they reveal. Che in the Congo is a good example of how Third Worldism simply does not work. Che brought specifically Afro-Cuban veterans of the Cuban Revolution with him, partly to avoid appearing as an imperialist. But in the Congo that distinction was irrelevant. The Latin American context of race and religion was simply alien to the Congo, where tribal and religious identities mattered much more. Congolese fighters wouldn’t work with one another if they belonged to different religions or had tensions with another tribe. And even when you found two groups that had no religious differences or negative opinions of each other, they could literally be unable to work together because they didn’t speak the same language. There was also a general spiritualism that the Congolese fighters couldn’t simply let go of. They refused to fight in trenches because they believed it was bad luck and that they would become sick and die if they were in them. Che encountered this kind of refusal again and again.

Then there was his adventure in Bolivia. Bolivia appeared to fit Che’s ideal model, a poorer country under a military dictatorship. So by his own theory, it should have been fertile ground for successful guerrilla warfare. Instead the campaign failed because the dictatorship had implemented modest land reforms. Those limited reforms were enough to reduce rural support for an insurgency, leaving Che’s forces without the local backing and logistical assistance they needed.
I think that if Che had survived, he might have learned from those failures, refined his ideas and produced a more realistic and pragmatic theory of revolutionary warfare. But he died and became an icon for millions. Still, I feel like contemporary leftists should have looked at these failures and seen them as a fairly obvious reason to rethink his theory, rather than turning it into an inviolable principPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2934879
My point is that American imperialism is extremely malleable. Third Worldist "victories" are really just imperialism morphing its form. The US sought Batista's overthrow, just as they sought the Shah's overthrow in Iran during the 1979 Revolution. Without continuously manufacturing enemies, American imperialism cannot justify its existence. It is thus no surprise that the United States has basically helped create every single adversary it has ever fought since at least the start of the 20th century.

>>2934890 (me)
In this light, adversaries to the United States are actually sustaining the American Empire in a highly contradictory way. The adversary ostensibly fights the empire, but the empire uses the existence of the adversary to justify its own domestic and global supremacy.

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>>2934890
I’ve heard similar arguments regarding Algeria. The US didn’t materially support the FLN directly, but withheld military aid/assistance from the French, undermined the de Gaulle regime and ultimately allowed the fourth republic to collapse, bringing France's future within the American sphere of influence rather than allowing France to remain an independent power in the West.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7709.1994.tb00561.x

>>2934890
I’ve heard a similar theory regarding the black panthers, the weather underground, the symbionese liberation army and other militant left-wing movements in america and western europe. Looking into them, I was struck by how relatively small and marginal many of these groups actually were, even on a provincial level. the panthers just engaged in community aid, self funded social programs and local defence, but their actual reach and influence was limited to a few neighborhoods. In most cases they probably would have remained marginal political movements. Instead they received an extraordinary amount of media attention and were framed almost like characters in a movie. It makes me wonder to what extent that image was created by the media and intelligence agencies. The same applies to the WU and SLA, to what degree did their activities and the publicity surrounding them contribute to the impression that radical leftist groups posed a domestic threat, thereby making it easier for the FBI to justify an expansion of its budget and powers?

>>2906569
>>2906568
They were also in Angola and Ethiopia helping the existing governments of those countries, not trying to overthrow them.



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Let's talk about books. I love books. Not reading them (in fact I dislike that), but just looking at them, having them, and thinking about them. Any books you've been touching or thinking about or looking at lately?

Reading is bourgesis psydoscience



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Making a Hearts of Iron 4 internet mod, any interesting concepts and ideas for the leftypol nation?

There is currently two ways the nation can progress, a hard left election / coup or a democratization. Each path includes awesome wars and much LARP.


The playable nations on release will include the soyball (you know who i mean, i don't know if there's a filter that bans you if you mention the website here lol), kiwifarms, 4chan and leftypol.
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>>2940536
Get the color gradients out

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>>2940522
>get a job you fucking loser
<t. guy postin about his ebin chan mod for his loser game.
Holy 500ft projection, batman.

bump

If you ever make content for the 4chan State, add a path for an /lgbt/ vs /pol/ or /qa/ or /v/ civil war



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I have seen this retardation spammed all over the place because of austrian economic loons however it always did feel so retarded.

I think this is the most condensed example of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3OH4QO5JY

Basically it becomes more and more retarded until you end up
>What about captain america?
>And captain america not fighting Thanos in my MCU?!
>communism and money can not exist!

That was always a incredibly retarded argument and I do not understand how the viewers of this trash are not dying of cringe.

Did people make debunking of this """"logic"""" because the video is pure insanity. The truth is that there is no such thing as central planning.
>Herp derp how do we produce things? How many of them?!
How does the factory do it now?
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>capitalism is when market
>communism is when no market
I'm convinced ancaps don't actually know what capitalism is. like you will unironically hear "that wasn't real capitalism" from ancaps all the time
>>2933920
>muh inefficiency
>state-capitalism
>stagnation!
pick up a book, retard

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>>2933917
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>2933917
><Epic debunking of the army everyone!
><How can 1 guy decide what position of every finger ever soldier must have?!
><Ha no one can do that!
><IMPOSSIBLE! GENERALS DEBUNKED!
this but unironically

>>2934439
>The ECP and information problem aren't about how to know what to produce, it's how to allocate it and how to make this allocation efficient.
You must understand that you have schizophrenia. Literally nothing you have written makes any sense whatsoever it is literally incoherent babbling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

>>2934918
These colors are also the flag of the Kashubians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubians



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