/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Fine. I'll address it. What can we do to stop the incessant infighting between MLs and Ultras?
There is ultimately a middle ground to be found between their positions.
And it is at least in my opinion, it's the positions between both groups that makes the most sense and most closely resemble the intent behind Marx's original aims.
I am a bit of a theorylet so maybe I am missing some crucial ideological perspective that already achieved this, but if not I suppose I am in a sense proposing that stance here.

What do I even mean? Take for example;

Ultras:
>We must abolish the commodity form and money on day 1 of the revolution or you're a state capitalist moderniser falsifier and a betrayer of the revolution
MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future

Ultras:
>You must never ever support national liberation even when the movement is clearly progressive and socialist in character and it's successes will weaken imperialism and capitalism
MLs:
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What’s your opinion on Mao agricultural socialism I think personally that’s better than industrial socialism because it helps out the peasants Not saying Vladimir Lennon what’s wrong but I just personally like Mao take on things

>search for any wealthy businessperson you can possibly imagine
<they're in the files
>search for any high-status ivy-league academic you can imagine
<they're in the files
>search for any billionaire CEO or banker ever
<they're in the files
>search for acting heads of states and powerful senators/congresspeople who're still in office
<they're not in the files
>search for high-ranking military and intelligence officers in the CIA, Mossad, MI6, etc
<they're not in the files
>search for CEOs, CTOs, CFOs and other such personnel who work in military-industrial-complex firms like Rayteon and Boeing
<they're not in the files

I guess we know who the blacked out names are.

What are your thoughts on collectivism in general? how essential or necessary do you think it is to general leftist thought and application? personally, when I look inward I yearn to be collectivist, but yet I find myself siding or having to consider myself an individualist most of the time. If I had to be a collectivist then I would have to be really extreme probably. Though that almost is what individualism is in a modern context I think.

It’s time for you to face the facts: the track record of “multipolarists” predicting the imminent end of U.S./Western primacy has been consistently VERY poor.

Israel has tamed Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah and the Gazan people are on their last legs. If they survive at all it will be in tents rather than dense cities as before. At every turn, the conflicts are shifting from balance toward overmatch and escalation control in favor of the West/US/Israel.

Since roughly the mid-2010s, we’ve seen repeated claims that Iraq/Afghanistan, the 2008 crisis, Syria, Ukraine, or China’s rise would mark a decisive terminal decline, yet in practice the U.S. and its allies have retained escalation control, alliance cohesion, financial centrality, and unmatched intelligence-strike capabilities while rivals absorb disproportionate costs for challenging the system. The mistake isn’t noticing Western contradictions, it’s assuming those contradictions imply fragility rather than durability, and confusing loud resistance with actual system-overturning power. What recent years suggest is not that the empire is collapsing, but that it has shifted from overextension to selective enforcement, which is precisely the mode that makes repeated predictions of imminent demise look increasingly disconnected from observed outcomes.

“Multipolarists” and self-described anti-imperialists fundamentally misread Western restraint as terminal decline rather than adaptation. China remains a regional rather than global military challenger whose only plausible path to victory runs through the Taiwan Strait and whose demographic, alliance, and structural economic limits make it incapable of replacing the United States as a system-organizing power; the deeper implication is that many people invested emotionally and ideologically in the idea of inevitable Western decline are unprepared for a world in which the system they oppose proves both durable and adaptable, producing not liberation or collapse but a long, grinding equilibrium that frustrates anti-imperial hopes and exhausts challengers.

(The last, and I mean absolute LAST chance for the US world order to be overturned even PARTIALLY, is for China to defeat the AUKUS in the Taiwan strait prior to 2030-2035 when China’s demographic decline will begin to affect its military strength.)

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From my understanding, Marx's philosophical theory was essentially the dialectical method except applied to history and society. To me, it seemed like it could be broadly summarized as :
>Society determines men's consciousness
>This creates class antagonisms and conflicting interests amongst them
>Over time, contradictions between them are overcomed by changing the structure of society, which produced these classes
>Communism is the movement which abolishes class, thus ending structural contradictions within society


However, I don't see where alienation comes in all of this. To me, the antagonisms between class and the desire to overcome contradictions was mainly in regards to each class' own interest. The bourgeoisie benefitted from capitalism, and so aimed at keeping it, whilst the proletariat endured it and in turn had different motivations. My understanding of alienation is essentially that it is the impossibility for men to fulfill their social and creative potential. This twists the dialectic from class conflict to merely satisfaction of one own's potential. It seems like capitalism or class structure isn't inherently at fault in this way, but more so how it is performed.
So, from my understanding, it looks like alienation can either be replaced in Marx's "mature" dialectic by treating it merely as one of the many motivations for the proletariat to overcome capitalism. Or, on the other side, that it treats the economic crisis and misery produced by capitalism as only alienating factors which are added ontop of the pre-existing alienations.
I think that fundamentally this might go at odds with how I percieve's Marx's works. Imo, Marx is mainly a social critique who performs a sociological and economical assessment of society to posit the sources for its conflicts, and its potential future. This concept of alienation seems very much hegelian and much more philosophical, and incurs some form of moralist and idealist critique in Marx's otherwise "scientific" work. Thoughts ?

<inb4 read the manuscripts
I have, and they didn't answer my questions.

What are the best books about gunsmithing, lockpicking, forgery, mobilizing through hostile territory, hotwiring machines, evading surveillance, and other morally grey acts that would be useful in the event shit hits the fan and the government you're in collapses? Stuff to keep you alive or safe until you can actually get to your friends, family, comrades, etc. if they're hundreds of miles away

I'd use /AKM/ but the board is dead and more warfare focused than being concerned about general skills.

>nothing ever happens
posters NOT allowed, assume it has happened and it's you and the hostile concrete jungle with no friends around.

Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived. I feel like I'm going insane and I wanna know if the people here might be more sympathetic to what I'm trying to get at

Studies have shown: something like 1-10% of people are pedophiles. Pedophiles aren't inherently child abusers, in fact the majority of people who sexually abuse children are not attracted to minors sexually or romantically but are getting off on the exploitation of someone vulnerable they have power over, usually parents or people known to a child and not strangers. People from vulnerable categories (trans, gays, foreigners etc.) get scapegoated as child abusers but are actually more likely to have this kind of abuse perpetuated on them

4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful. Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project

Is it fair to say at this point it's pretty clear that a significant portion of MAGA are self-hating pedophiles who genuinely believed Dementia Don would get rid of child abusers, trying to blame liberal elites as the sole perpetrators of this abuse as a form of absolving themselves from their own attraction, when in truth it's the entire yankee ruling class who take part in this type of systemic abuse and the spectre of the stranger danger baby snatcher is a political cudgel carefully crafted for the sake of deflection

I feel like at this point half of them are at the point where they're defending child rape while the other half are schizoposting about how none of it is real. I feel like I'm going crazy. Can I get some other perspectives here instead of just getting shut down? If I'm terribly wrong then that's that but at least tell me why..

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/skeqnl08wg

Members of Kibbutz Hanita are suing the Chinese-controlled Ballet Vision fund for refusing to buy their remaining stake in an intraocular lens plant, citing losses and what it says is a Chinese government ban on new investments in Israel since the war

Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.

In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.

“Since the outbreak of the fighting in Israel, the Chinese government has classified Israel as a high-risk zone (red category) and prohibited any new Chinese investment in the country,” the fund wrote. “As long as this restriction remains in place, there is no practical operational ability to exercise the option.”

According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.
As part of the agreements, the Chinese fund granted the remaining minority shareholders an option to require it to purchase their remaining shares for about $9.5 million, now valued at roughly $11 million, by early December 2025.

The kibbutz claims that its stake was further diluted in two subsequent agreements in 2022, leaving the Chinese fund with about 80% ownership. One dilution followed a $7 million additional investment, while another was tied to a future $8 million investment that has not yet been carried out.
In December, the kibbutz notified the fund of its intention to exercise the option. The lawsuit says the funds are urgently needed due to the war. Hanita, located close to the border, has endured two extremely difficult years, and the money is required for rehabilitation, particularly for older members.
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Тhe Dalai Lama is in the Epstein files and is mentioned 169 times.
So much for the CIA 'Free Tibet" apologetics about him sucking tongues of kids! "ITS A TIBETIAN TRADITION".
https://en.tempo.co/read/2085031/dalai-lama-mentioned-169-times-in-recent-epstein-files-releases
https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/us-news/dalai-lama-met-jeffrey-epstein-in-2012-was-named-169-times-in-new-emails/4128913/