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Yeah, I think we are in the endgame. Visits to marxists.org spiked in the last year. People are getting that class concussy.

The body was too short or empty.
The body was too short or empty.(The body was too short or empty.)
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>>2800644
>the Revolution(tm) will arrive when enough people become aware of le good word

>>2800644
AI scrapers maybe. There are also some anecdotes about seeing more communists but they could be speaking out of their asses. Hard data is gonna be difficult to come by to quantify whether we're seeing any sort of growth, especially since people are (rightfully!) afraid of showing up on any sort of database of communists.

>>2800969
> They never got the full safety net of the new EU democracy
meanwhile, in the Disco Elysium country:
https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

>>2801089

That's the gypsies neighbourhood in Sevilla , Spain

Wow… people are being duped by Trotskyites.. such revolution.



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SOVIET UNION
>BANNED ALL PROLETARIANS FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTY
>BALLOONED TO 19 MILLION BUREAUCRATIC PARASITES
>THEY VOTE TO DISSOLVE THE UNION BUT THE PROLETARIAT DOES NOT WANT THAT
>EVERY PROLETARIAN IS FORCED TO DRINK DNA AND WE HAVE RUSSIA TODAY
UYGHUR
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>>2801468
>your law firm
wat, i'm working class. gtfo troll

>>2801679
The only reason to shill for lawyers like lenin is if you are one or trying to be one
>>2801667
Lawyers cannot have principles

>>2801334
ur literally unemployed and lying about not being a NEET lmao

>>2801231
<THEY VOTE TO DISSOLVE THE UNION BUT THE PROLETARIAT DOES NOT WANT THAT
Chief, nobody voted for dissolution of the USSR. It happened gradually, that's 1). And 2) the last nail in the coffin were the Belovezha accords,where none of the signatories was a member of the CPSU. Many of them had already left the party in 1990 and regardless of that, CPSU was banned in August 1991 (3 and half months before Belovezha)

>>2801231
All parties are incubators for opportunists, the class party is a house uyghur's tale, it would be good if the slave owners weren't the same dumbfucks as the slaves.



 

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>What are zoomer men who came from one of the most popular subreddits (Wallstreetbets) is doing

>>2801612
i've seen this exact ragebait copypasta a million times on twitter. same with the "my enemy is not the american ruling class, but the american people"

the LLMs just pump out ragebait until one sticks really good and then all the shillbot accounts repeat it to psychologically torture whatever human beings are left on the internet

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>>2801564
>you're apart of the problem, we live in a period so different from the early 20th century, even from the mid-late 20th century, to pretend we can just do everything lenin or whoever did is idiotic
fool, you are afraid to use a tachanka, the most relevant proletarian weapon

>>2801585
if burger hitlerites itt can sperg out about jews do you think the mods care about misunderstanding of marxist theory



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I am trying to create a new form of socialism called "bhakti socialism".
It mixes the idea of individual trust and devotion to a god or gods with the idea of collective ownership of property.

It's not a new idea, but I am trying to create a coherent synthesis between these spiritual and material traditions in order to promote individual and collective liberation.

the hippie movement died a few generation ago

>>2801685
Hippies in general were not firmly based on devotion to a specific god (except for hare krishnas).
Socialism is also not "vibes and feeloings", it must be based on a theory of society for instance marxism.

I know this is something that was in the air for a very long time, but I am trying to organize it in a more complex way.




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Which would you rather have? Pre-Axis Italian Fascism (So no racial laws and such) or run-of-the-mill free market capitalism? Foreign policy is to be ignored, assume both of these systems are entirely isolationist
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>>2800996
>would you rather have fascism or thing that leads to fascism
lol
read dmitrov
read dutt

>>2800996
> no racial laws
Italians invented racism

>>2801224
No that was Trotsky

>>2800996
Why though?
Respectfully, this kind of thing is what >>/siberia/ is for.

>>2801554
Sensible chuckle



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Wanna know what folks on here thinks of andrea dworkin and general sentiment around her work alongside others in her vein. Was she a genius or just stupid?
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I'm glad jannies are letting idpol threads such as this one stay in the board as we all can see they tend to produce some deeply insightful discussion between well informed individuals

>>2800689
Who said anything about it being reactionary?

>>2800538
>You really won't get gay men to go spend a week camping inna woods, they'll be like "ew, bugs!"

95% of military reenactments involve gay sex innawoods

>>2801252
not what he's saying, that's men basically "making due", he's referring of men making the political choice to be gay beliving that's revolutionary

>>2800696
I don't know what you're complaining about. The thread got derailed for a bit, but it seems to have gotten back on track.



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I don't care about
>the nation
>religion
>family
I care about
>my wage
>my leisure time
>my rest time
This is why I fight for
<higher wages
<more leisure
<more rest
Fighting for any of the first three doesn't guarantee any of these. It is not in my personal interest to fight for
>the nation
>religion
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it's easier to get more money, more rest time and more leisure time if you focus on making money yourself and build an actual escape plan.

apolitical chads who focus on the bag stay winning, chuds who care about spooks or communists who think sitting down on union meetings for 5 hours is improving their lives stay broke.

>>2797351
>You only need wages if you want to buy commodities
like food, housing, and water

it's more about removing fetters i.e. getting the retards out of the way so we can fix this shit.

>>2796856
>I fight for
>Fighting for any
>my personal interest to fight for
>I only fought for
>If I didn't fight for

posting on leftypol isn't fighting

>>2797016
Because Deng wanted workers to have more money so they can contribute to the Chinese economy uyghur



 

Is it fair to call America a fascist state at this point? I still am really split on rather it is full fascism and not because it is a very undemocratic system with rigged elections in the form of the electoral college and lobbying and stuff but there is still technically free speech, this website is still up after all.
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>>2801113
I am talking about the new left movement, and most of them got off more or less scot-free after their clown show they called a revolution. Sorry, but you pose no threat to the American empire.

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>>2801088
I'll say Western leftists talk about Fascism in exactly the same way that Western boomer necons talk about communism. No reflection or actual insight into the ideology itself. No, they treat it as a demon that will destroy them.

>>2801124

it's just a buzzword for liberal reactions

>>2801121
>>you pose no threat to the empire

buddy i never said i was one of these people i was just saying the american legal system doesnt tip toe around justice based on peoples politics. you are paranoid are you from /pol/ or something

Why does the professed ideology matter more then what they actually do?



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Is there any room in Marxism for people who don't like democracy and would prefer a strong man leader type in the vain of the USSR under Stalin, the DPRK or Mao's China?

Even though we have successful examples of this the modern left seems obsessed with "our democracy"
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>>2799291
because you fail understand the class character of bourgeois democracy, and how it is not really democracy. You repeat "the modern left" but you mean liberals living in bourgeois imperialist "democracy"

>>2796060
Yeah because one party states cannot be democratic, or at least there is no mechanism beyond the individual will of the General Secretary/politburo (depends on how oligarchic vs autocratic it is) to ensure it remains such. Strong man politics cannot free people because by its very nature it subjects the masses to the individual whims of one person. Leninists will insist otherwise but they're lying because what they really want is to be part of the elite ruling clique and replace the capitalists as the new ruling class, not actually emancipate the proles from a ruling class.

Nobody here understands the main purpose of bourgeois democracy and the key innovation behind it. It's not some high-minded principle of citizen participation, though that does serve a useful error-checking function (if you're really shit you'll be removed from power), it's not even circulation of elites (though again, this is usually useful), it's not even changing parties in power (see Japan or Sweden 1930s-70s) it is, above all else: The stable transition of power.

Let's say strongmen outperform parliamentary democracy when they're in charge. Parliamentary democracies probably still beat strongman regimes in the long run! Why? Because in such a system, there's never a reliable mechanism for changing the person in charge when the strongman dies. Maybe you can have his kids do it, like a king - but then what if there's a disputed succession? A close ally - but then maybe said ally falls out of favor just a year before the strongman dies, or maybe he's the favored candidate of the strongman but not of all the other power-brokers. A junta of some kind - but then you've replaced your strong individual leader with an ossified committee who probably hate one another. And let's say some faction or individual is on the losing side but has a power base - why shouldn't he use it to try to stage a coup, which will with very high likelihood result in outright civil war?

In a parliamentary system it's very simple: If you aren't the faction in power, you put your resources into winning the election and taking power. Even in a system where the parties don't circulate much, as in Japan, there's a nice stable set of institutions for making sure the country is governed by a succession of different LDP prime ministers (and they change those pretty often!) instead of having one guy who'll bring the whole state down with him when he invariably dies. The result of that is that people can spend all their time going about their day doing whatever it is people do, losing an evening every 3-5 years to going to the polling booth, instead of fighting and dying in a pointless civil war over who gets to sit in the big chair.

I don't want much of anything of the left. I'd be glad getting class war but I'd settle for reprisals.
Whoever lets me off my boss, is the side I'd pick my gun for. Unfortunately rightoids, troglodytes they may be, are organized by people who are rather class-pilled themselves. So leftoids are the only hope for the man who wants to see rich people (or a subset thereof) liquidated.

>>2799371
>naive question that does not distinguish between bourgeois democracy and actual democracy
then can you give an example of "actual democracy"



 

what are /leftypol/'s thoughts on Nestor Makhno? was he a based anarchist revolutionary or a drunk bandit? I have read “Nestor Makhno: Anarchy’s Cossack” which paints him as a man caught up in the ideal of anarchy and the reality of russian revolution/civil war.
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>>2800626
>I mean if the french revolutionaries were right, there'd still be a first french republic

>>2800831

also facts, dont be salty, utopian.

>>2800353
He was a failure and his analysis was lacking, should have read Das Kapital

>Mankhko

Reminder that by the time he has moved to Paris, he had sustained so much physical injury during his time as an Anarchist revolutionary that according to the Anarcha-Feminist Lucile Pelletier, who served as his nurse, his body was "literally encased in scar tissue", in addition to still having a bullet lodged in his ankle from decades prior.



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