/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Meanwhile, in the eyes of many countries, NATO is like this:
同时许多国家眼里的北约是这样的：

>>1821644
Nah, it's an oligarchy as I stated from the start. And you clearly just want to waste people's time with le epic trole.

>>1821658
You'd think after reading marxist theory people would realize it's silly to ascribe some transhistorical function to any element of society. They behave one way under some circumstances, another way under others.

>>1821662
Hey Louis i accidentally become a demon sovereign

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https://progressive.international/wire

Take a look at monthly briefings by the progressive international, you can find out what is happening in left movements around the world

https://thetricontinental.org/newsletter

the tricontinental institute for social research, publishes a weekly newsletter on many struggles going around the world, this was founded by Vijay Prashad, a great marxist think tank.

>>1811652
>Setting up a server whose only purpose is to host an email service which informs everyone of existing sturggles and give a clear, broad picture of the movement?
So, what, exactly?
Like
>Mail server
>Give keys to trusted orgs to be able to post their weekly shit with a geolocation
>Mail the server with one or a few geolocations and a radius from which you want updates
>Weekly mail collection
?
This is rather simple to do, you just need a way to do some sort of moderation.

>>1812287
(Like, on the technical end, its piss fucking easy to implement a simple info forwarding mail list. The hard part is actually making it qualatively and preventing it from becoming useless by being flooded with useless spam from retarded cults or rogue individuals. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Iskra was more than just a pass-through means for other peoples articles and information)

https://erikhoudini.com/

5k unique people see my site weekly, some weeks are higher. I accept submissions.

>>1817748
>When you become anti-revisionist
uygha what the fuck does that have to do with it? Even socdems are aware of it.

>>1820289
>No really, how did you find this website?
You are the monarchist shilling for the Chinese emperors policy of outlawing shit to then legalize it incrementally to control the market while believing that the moralism is true because some bureaucrat didn't wrote a letter that nobody received.

>>1820322
>That's why they invoked moral reasoning to justified their destruction of the Opium trade. Because it's an important part of humanity.
Hundred years prior they did exactly that. And then allowed it again, receiving paybacks from those who were granted the privileges.

Think about it:
If your country had outlawed unions with a excuse then allowed it again under government control, and then some time later brought up the same excuse to outlaw unions again… Like do you see what's happening there?

Watch the over regulation then leniency then over regulation then leniency in e.g. vaping. Every repetition of the cycle increases the power of the state and the establishment. After all is said and done you will see the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.

>>1821010
>the monarchist shilling for the Chinese emperors policy of outlawing shit to then legalize it incrementally to control the market
By the same reasoning you are a monarchist shilling for the English Queen's policy of controlling Chinese opium markets.
The main issue was national sovereignty not the specific government type, policy decisions or moral justifications.
>>1821013
>Hundred years prior they did exactly that.
So what? At least it was the Chinese government deciding it's own policies for it's own people even if it wasn't perfect it's still better than the English empire deciding.
>Every repetition of the cycle increases the power of the state and the establishment.
Ok, and? Maybe people should be limited in how they consume addictive and cancerous substances like tobacco or opium. I think it's perfectly reasonable to restrict minors from consuming alcohol and tobacco for example. Maybe we shouldn't let markets completely determine what people consume or why.
>After all is said and done you will see the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.
The whole point of socialism is to let workers control industries and get rid of conglomerates and billionaires. One day the workers will be directly making those decisions and they will need to use moral reasoning and judgement

You are right that specific moral justifications are very often a ploy for different political actors. Taking the moral justifications at face value doesn't explain the complexity of historical wars.
However you can still agree with those moral justifications despite it not being to only factor at play.

>the industry be controlled by the same-old-same-old conglomerates and proxies of billionaire investment firms.

>>1821536
>By the same reasoning you are a monarchist shilling for the English Queen's policy of controlling Chinese opium markets.
They wanted to make money and justified it by being a benevolent provider of an important medicine.
That's the same level of "we are so good" moralism as was the moralism Chinese emperor.
I'm not shilling either. This sub conversation started because I was simply explaining to some guy that opium wasn't regarding as an evil drug in 1840 in the zeitgeist.

>So what? At least it was the Chinese government deciding it's own policies for it's own people even if it wasn't perfect it's still better than the English empire deciding.
How is that even an argument unless you think from a racist perspective instead of a global one.
From a pure Marxist view the British Empire was historically ahead of the Chinese empire (Capitalism, Constitutionalism and ProtoSocdem vs. Monarchy/Feudalism)
If you think that the various people should govern themselves despite being on a less progressive level in socio-historic terms, then you would de-legitimize the global socialist revolution.

>One day the workers will be directly making those decisions and they will need to use moral reasoning and judgement
I prefer the workers be educated by a truthful ideology that came from a well informed vanguard party. It's sad how misinformed some people here are when it comes to history.

>>1821471
Music Board.
Siberia.
Retard.

Moved to >>>/music/11647.

Marching with liberals is more than viable, it's a radicalizing opportunity. Get them into situations which expose them to police oppression. Get them to talk with socialists in a crowd,talk with unionists flying flags, and to see fliers for more intense talks and actions.
A protest is a platform, not a strategy in and of itself like a liberal may think. Use it or don't bother.

>>1798029
The bulgarian anarchists (in peculiar the Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria) have announced on their communiques that they will not be attending the demonstration.

This is a translated version of their message:
We are an anarcho-communist group. Our focus is class struggle first, authoritarianism second. The reasons for the protest can only answer to the second point. But we do not consider the demands for reform in the current repressive system to be adequate. If the cause is worth it, we would support a protest that is reformist, if for no other reason than to draw public attention to the problem.
But we cannot support this protest!
Liberals are our class enemy. We consider it inappropriate to legitimize our enemy in the eyes of the people or to present ourselves to him.
Unless the numbers of your groups are significantly larger than ours, it seems to us that we do not have the resources to take over the protest and replace liberal demands and rhetoric with anti-capitalist and anti-system ones.
Taking into account the low chance of a positive change in the situation and the unpreparedness of the participating organizations. Either through negative PR from the mainstream media or the subsequent "untying" of the hands of repressive authorities for official prosecutions.
We consider the event to be high risk with a low degree of importance and unfortunately we will decline your proposal.
We are ready to cooperate on other topics. Especially problems affecting the struggles of working people and large groups of people. Unfortunately, our forces are few and we cannot waste them on petty causes. -FACB (Federation of Anarcho-Communists in Bulgaria)

No

>>1798182
>Personally I disagree.
its not a matter of personal preferences
>Drugs are a cope
we dont want a society of cope. the use and abuse of drugs speaks about something else and is not just a matter of leisure
if anything, leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usage

>>1821385
NTA
>its not a matter of personal preferences
Correct.
>Drugs are a cope
>we dont want a society of cope
>leisure under socialism shouldnt consist of drug usage
WRONG. Drugs are the only way to reach true dialectical enlightenment and class consciousness, anyone not using drugs should be punished by DEATH BY BEATINGS.
Do not forget, Lenin was a mushroom.

>>1818948
Yeah this. Companion material can help explain things you struggle with. It's better to consume it after you read a section though, so you are using it to help fill in the parts that confused you.

>>1818861
> a good substitute for reading socialist books
there is no good substitute for reading, but getting help analyzing and understanding them is good and isnt shameful.
Dont hesitate to put them down, think about it, write down shit, search explanations of specific points, ask questions, even going to ask ismail on /marx/

Courses and video essays can be good companion pieces to the text but can never replace them.

>is some clown on youtube a good substitute to reading
lol of course if ur a libertarian

>>1818861
Hot take but learning about Marxism, from a Marxist, is fine. Yes, it's biased, but the books you want to know more about are also biased. You don't need to "do your own research" on every fucking topic alive. I don't learn how to make a nuclear reactor to learn about nuclear energy, I learn it from a nuclear expert. Just keep note if something they say rubs you the wrong way. I initially learned about leftism through anarchists and some of the stuff they were saying seemed idealistic to me or even simplistic, so I branched out from there.

You think some factory worker is going to read Capital? Are they still important? Yes, moreso than the terminally online theorists. This is why the movement is getting more and more terminally online. That said, that tuber in particular always came off as overglamourizing everything.

>>1821248
Yanis Varoufakis

Dr Aaron Good. He's a Marxist academic illuminating the machinations and obscured history of the American empire. I listen to his podcast American Exception a lot because he brings the critical context that most marxists scholars don't seem to talk about - the influence of western intelligence apparatus on global events after WW2. He tweets, answers questions on a monthly Q&A, appears on other pods and isn't afraid to call out grifters on the left sometimes.

I hate intellectuals.

>>1821248
Thanks for posting that btw, ripping it to mp3 now

>>1811583
Where's daddy?

>>1820658
Thats just the old strategy.
I think thry wised up to the fact that having soldiers hang around with no clear objectives just leads to them getting killed and unintended international news stories.

The last hope is the jewish population overthrowing the zionist estabilishment and ending apartheid but that will take the government discrediting itself at least several more times, during wich many will die

Also checkem

>>1810551
is this a real image or more zioslop

le marxist reading of shitty pop culture thread

is the show good tho

>>1821232
LOL, no.

>>1821157
What if tyranny is freedom and nuclear war means world peace *sniff*

Moved to >>>/hobby/41241.

>>1821016
link these texts, as much as i've seen, i always thought the Soviet Union was a bureaucratic state, willing to change my mind however

>>1821061
>state capitalist dictatorships
Absolutely, that's absolutely correct and the perfect descriptor of all these fake 'leninist' regimes which were closer to being closeted liberal democracies than communists in the first place. It's the reason revisionism could manifest itself and transition them back into pure liberal democracies and market economies after just a few decades, they had no auto-immune response to that.

>>1821085
yeah nah

>>1820975
>I think the people with USSR sympathies aren't so bad except for the literal Stalinists.
The way I've come to look at it, the October Revolution was like the French Revolution. (Or the Müntzer Rebellion and its armed revolt against the Catholic Church and feudal authority.) It's less common for people to have strong opinions about Napoleon today but some of Stalin's fans can seem like real Napoleon freaks in the late 19th century while his memory among other people was just completely villainous. It's really fascinating though. When I read about the Bolsheviks, I'll see something some ruthlessly disciplined thing they did given the exigencies of civil war and think, oh, that makes sense, there were totally valid reasons for that. You can't help but be impressed with that. But there are a lot of things like that which also contained the cells which would eventually be its undoing. Like the essence of the thing is in the contradictions.

Stalin seemed to place an utmost importance on survival and I think now a lot of things he did can be justified only to that extent. But, like, one of the problems with the socialist regimes in Eastern Europe is that they were installed by the Soviet military after World War II, and the new governments were taken over by people who had been living in the USSR in exile and were "naturally selected" during the purges to have certain qualities adapted to a Stalinist system in survival mode. But basically a lot of people felt like they were living under occupation.

These are just things I'm thinking about lately. I've come to believe many Stalinists on the internet are more like anti-anti-communists who develop their positions and takes on history mainly by arguing with anti-communists (who usually have ill-informed views on it themselves). Whatever is the easiest way to win the argument. They're not really getting into the history as much as mining it for ammunition and which confirms what they already wanted to believe, and that can turn into a intellectual prison house or like Plato's cave with these arguments being a kind of shadowplay.