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If USSR comitted Katyn, and Nuremberg decided not to say anything about it, like Katyn cultists claim,
why is it then that Soviet Burdenko commission was submitted to Nuremberg as a proof, and Nazi commission results under the name of "Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn", despite getting submitted, was declined by Nuremberg after a review, which claimed that:

>In any case, we believe that we have shown enough gaps, errors and inaccuracies to be able to recognize the statements made by the Germans in the publication "Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn" as material that does not withstand accurate scientific criticism, and thus recognize it as having too much propaganda character. In making this conclusion, we used only precise substantive reasoning.


Funny, right?

Oh, and as a bonus, Mednoye, which is often presented as a proof that Soviets were killing people in places other than those which were later occupied by Germans during the war, as it turns out, was actually occupied during the war, and 2nd pic is an order to recapture the settlement from Germans

Also also, check out present day Russia historiography on the issue. https://noo-journal.ru/vak/2025-1-42/kornilova-otritsanie-soobshcheniya-komissii-burdenko-v-katynskom-dele/ They call shit that happened in Russia in 1990s in regards to Katyn "Burdenko commission denialism"!
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>>2400939
I'm just like a Red Army soldier defending the Soviet Union


>>2400559
>Let's get rid of this ultra nonsense. States have a right to exist insofar as they create an avenue for the self-determination of a people. That's how internation relations and law works, generally. Members of a ruling class can be reeducated, there is no need to exterminate them. The Red Army spared the lives of captured German generals in Stalingrad.
<Muh bourgeoisie right
<Millions of proles dead in the bowels of war and poverty, but if you happen to execute the unrepentant ruling class of a country, that's a step too far.
Nah, not on board with this one. Out of everything the USSR is accused of, I'm pretty sure the only people that care for Katyn are anti-communist Poles who already have an axe to grind. Out of all of the ridiculous myths and slanders levied at the USSR, "the anti-reactionary communists executed the reactionary military elite of an establishment that watched the Holocaust happen at their doorstep and in many cases assisted in it" is real down low for me.

>>2393065
using unaltered nazi rhetoric to support socialism shouldn't be tolerated

>>2393564
Even if the USSR did Katyn that's still less bad than the nazis just having all of Poland and doing more holocaust there.



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How do you feel about events and situation in Moldova?
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>>2428482
You have in no way adresses the topic of the discussion, which is that these eastern european "communist" parties are in no way communist.

>>2428489
This doesn't change the need for communists to organize as a force independent of the bourgeoisie, nor the need to use violence against any liberal who is pro-EU, pro-NATO, pro-independence of a national bank, or in favor of adopting the euro, to prevent the co-optation of the masses by capitalist imperialism. Therefore, I will post the texts that describe Lenin's anti-imperialist position, demonstrating why even a reformist or conservative social democrat is superior to any liberal who wishes to take away a country's economic sovereignty with the lie of "anti-corruption" and "freedom":

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:


<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.


<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism


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>>2428642
The text you pasted does not demonstrate any such thing.

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>>2428482
>imperialist finance capital



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I'm going to write a bit about the trend known broadly as left communism. It seems to me that left communism has now basically become this newest trend in opportunism. Back in the day, there were barely any left communists - there still aren’t many - but every now and then you see one. I’ve seen lots of opportunists retreat from their previous positions (whether they were anarchists, Trotskyists, or what-have-you) and switch to left communism. I suppose it is appealing to some people.

It’s basically an anti-Leninist trend and against any historical form of socialism - any kind that has ever existed. So what exactly is left communism? It is an anti-Marxist, revisionist trend that capitulates under the pressure of anti-communist propaganda. It’s not the only trend that does this, but that is its most characteristic feature.

Left communism likes to present itself as theoretically genuine Marxism. People who aren’t well-read theoretically or lack a firm grasp of Marxism’s core principles seem to fall for it. In reality, though, it’s just revisionism and a vulgar distortion of Marxist ideas - especially Marx’s message and the essence of Marxism. In particular, left communism is the most extreme defeatist trend in revisionism and opportunism. It sees literally all socialist revolutions and socialist countries as “not real socialism.” This includes all Marxist-Leninist countries, other socialist experiments, and even anarchism.

Left communism has never had major historical or theoretical relevance. It is entirely isolated from real political action and only appeals to petty-bourgeois-minded opportunists. Some people - and by this, I mean left communists - might find that insulting, but it happens to be the case on purely theoretical grounds. These seemingly negative traits are actually left communism’s strength. Why? Because left communism is on a crusade against reality. It crusades against any socialism that has ever existed or will exist. Since left communists themselves have never had (and never will have) political relevance, their ideas will never become reality.

Left communism relies on abstract theoretical arguments out of touch with reality - meaning none of its conclusions ever need to be proven. If left communism did become reality, it would implode. Left communists would attack it as “stalinoid.” Left communism doesn’t exist on its own terms; it only exists as a parasitical opposition to actual socialism. That’s thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2431928
Cambodia was in a pretty rough spot at that time

>>2431926
That seems to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
I just fundamentally can't understand what the purpose of it is (or could conceivably be). I am a reasonable guy and I assume others have a reason to behave the way they behave as well.
I dunno, there's worse irrationality out in the world, in real life. So I suppose it fundamentally doesn't matter. People sure are a strange species.

>>2431932
Yeah I don't understand how anyone can sincerely hold their "positions" either, it's hard to tell if they're just trolling or if they're actually trying to say something. I guess what it comes down to is that in their case that's basically the same thing, there's no real point to any of it other than anti communism. At first I tried to at least somewhat engage with them as they seemed decently well read and I was interested but it became clear that that's first of all not true and secondly that it's a dead end and a huge waste of time. Really nothing left but to mock them on sight imo, they're not worth actual consideration because they present nothing to consider. Even with trots and anarchists you can at least have a discussion about something

i swear guys we're going to hit the communism button just as soon as x

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>>2431942
Yes, I am in total agreement and have been for some time. This is notable as I oftentimes do not even agree with myself perfectly.
As to the last part, I think it shows in a most striking manner the importance of holding a position (I see the so-called leftcom as a fringe position but there are other less extreme, stubborn or demented forms of this, like baby marxists).



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Trump has deployed federal officers to “Clean Up D.C.” Of course rather than put the cops to good use for once and make them street sweepers or whatever he is using them to harass citizens and beat up homeless people. Many will say that this is unconstitutional but ever since the Reagan administration the power of the executive branch has grown so much that it’s only a law if the president says so, America is an elective monarchy at this point and the “elective” part might go away soon, what is congress even good for anymore other than cutting taxes sometimes? Also I’m sure that all of you probably know this already but cops don’t solve crime, poverty reduction solves crime.

there is a USA thread. whats the point of this one here?



 

Don't overcomplicate it. The material goal of all Marxist thought is not any empty phrase like liberation, brotherhood or equality. It's too establish class dictatorship of the working classes. Marxism doesn't need the philosophical baggage intellectuals try to push at every step. To win the battle of democracy, to establish the working class the demos, to establish state rule over the haves by the have-nots. Everything else is sand in eyes. Only the working classes can do this, because the working classes are the only ones capable of creating value in the production process. The majority mustn't be aware of its interest, but we communists know what their interests are. Never stop agitating for them. Eventually, our ideas will become mass ideas, because there are no other mass ideas except Marxism.
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>>2430370
Lenin died like 8 years into the establishment of the USSR lmao, the civil war had barely ended and the Bolsheviks barely had time to do anything. Of course he didn't call it socialist at the time, but he was fully convinced it would be able to transition into the early stages of socialism, which it did under Stalin

>>2430385
>USSR: the second DOTP in history after the Paris commune founded in 1917
>isn't once called socialist by its founder
>the Paris commune never once called socialist by Marx (while maintaining its DOTP status)
It's over

It's almost like political power is a superstructure or something idk lol :)

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>>2427815
people love shit like this photo. masses of people holding up giant portraits of thought leaders…. who most of them never bothered reading and probably couldn't say much about. I want people to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, not simply hold up giant portraits of them in parades.

>>2430408
Yeah, you don't know. If an idea grips the masses, it becomes a material force. The proletarian dictatorship is the first organization of society that puts political power in the hands of the working classes, the working masses. It is no longer part of the superstructure. Political power expressed directly and without representatives becomes part of the base. :)



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MrBeast is only 4 steps away from Mao Zedong. There is no way that this is a coincidence. MrBeast met the rock who met obamna who met OG Bush who met Mao.
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>>2431463
>ok first time it was funny shitting up the main board, now its annoying
At least it adds spice to this board despite being /siberia/ material. Better than Agent FEDlix and his rants that read like school shooter manifestos.

>>2431467

My bad, I’m new here and I didn’t realize that there was a different board for memes.

Do you guys think Obama banged Bush Sr.?

>>2431811

Oh most definitely 100%

>>2431461
What makes you retards post your underage /b/ bullshit in hwre instead of leftypol b?



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>Marxism is antithetical to Humanism
>Diamat can be understood in a non-Hegelian way, akshually
>The state, your family, the media, etc. are all APPARATUSES OF CONTROLL
>Machiavelli was actually a progressive pre-materialist thinker, smeared by the Catholic Church, akshually
>Communists should win over scientists ASAP
>Freud and Lacan were genuises akin to Einstein or Bohr
>Realz over Feelz all the time 100%
How was he wrong again? Like, once??? This fucker was on CIA watch-list and had an exhausting lettering b/w him and USSR philosophers.

<inb4 he strangled him wife

1) don't care
2) she was literally asking for it for decades (documented)
3) le attrocity propaganda
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>>2427797
Not OP but sounds like you are mixing up prescriptive and descriptive.
It is what it is.

>>2425217
Badiou and Balibar I believe.

>>2427737
>What little I read of him does not give the impression
What have you read of him?

>>2430183
Like this and that.
I can't remember now, can I?
The blog he blogs on, I read some of that.
What makes his way here, very occasionally I'll take a look. Can't remember if I ever listened to a video of his in full.

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Just reminding you that Chinese government got butthurt by Vietnam liberating Cambodia from Khmer Rouge’s tyranny, anti-imperialism doesn’t apply for Dengoids.
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>>2429228
Thank you for the chatbot slop👋

>>2429228
That's just repeating the same argument again

>"It doesn't adress every single point that could be counter to what they're trying to say"

Ie it's not holistic enough

Cope

How about you actually adress the arguments made in the video?

>>2429190
of course the resident board schizo understands the world through gay little wikipedia boxes.
as much as you like to try to present yourself as le based schizo or whatever you are still just another braindead low information american. pathetic.

>>2429205
Uh he pretty much was. Pol Pot was a sort of super accelerationist who wanted communism as fast as possible, to modernize Cambodia into an industrial powerhouse within a few years, he even called his plan "The Super Great leap forward". In any other party Pol Pot would've been deemed an ultraleft deviationist. I remember reading on Cambodian-Chinese diplomacy and some CPC members indeed thought Pol Pot was a leftcommunist

>>2429233
seethe, if you have an actual reply say it instead of being a whiny faggot



 

Communization Theory is a Marxist theory that combines, and criticizes, the ideas of the Situanitionist International, Italian Left-Communist, and Council Communist. It defends the idea that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat only reassures the re-emergence of the capitalist counter-revolution and that it should be abandoned.

With this conclusion, they believe that the next communist revolution should start with immediate communization of society, which includes the abolition of capitalist social relations and replacing them with communist ones. Some may say that the roles of the DotP is the destruction of capitalist relations and replacing them with communist ones but I have not read enough theory to comment on that right now.

I have so far read Endnotes 1, which is just a bunch of text by Gilles Dauvé and Théorie Communiste explaining why they believe in this position while simultaneously critcizing each other on their viewpoints, and I'm currently reading "Eclipse and Re-Emergence of the Communist Movement" by Gilles Dauvé. The first part of the book is great and I personally think its a must read for beginner Marxists as it explains the history of capital and commodity production, though the later parts are just opinionated writing. Of course, beginner Marxists should start by reading Marx's own work than the works of other Marxists.

Communization Theory is also split into two, with one side being anarchist, groups like the now defunct group TIQQUN and The Invisible Comitee, and Marxists, groups like Troploin and the previously mentioned Théorie Communiste. Just so you know, this isn't some unknown "leftist war", I just referenced them just to give some sort of picture. The most well known communizer journal is Endnotes, who compiles and releases a bunch of communizer articles.
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>>2431316
Good thing there are no Proudhonians in the modern day.

>>2431361
sorel was heavily influenced by proudhons ideas. I personally dont think fascism is anarchism. But sorel was influenced by proudhon.

>>2431363
except that syndicalist flag faggot

>>2431363
While that is broadly true - and from what I can gather, Proudhon's thought is quite lame and I guess if he's barely known it's just because he picked up a fight with KM - perhaps you may be intrigued by the fact that in the late 1970s - early 1980s, this otherwise unremarkable French political thinker served as a rather bizarre rhetoric tool in Italy.
Bettino Craxi, then the new leader of the local socialist party, wanted to distance himself and his party from the local communist party as much as he could. Now, I'm not exactly privy to the exact reasons of that, even considering that PSI had already been a government partner of the long-time dominant Christian Democrats for more than a decade and a half at that point, while PCI remained the largest party in opposition. Perhaps, BC may have been afraid that the attempt of a so called "historic compromise" with PCI entering the government coalition, would have a given a much bigger and stronger partner to the Christian Democrats on their left and PSI would have been squeezed and possibly reduced to a barely existing party, on par with other long-time Christian Democrats allies such as the liberals, the republicans and the social democrats.
PSI had for sure a relatively strong and influent internal left faction who always felt uneasy about the moderating influence that being in government with all that centrist slop had. Some of their members were instrumental in getting the very few remarkable achievements in terms of labour rights, welfare, healthcare that the centre-left govts of the sixties and seventies brought about. They also looked at both PCI and other smaller parties even more to the left - PDIUP, DP - with respect and sympathy. Many of them were very clear they didn't want to take any neoliberal crap while lying down, right when that particular counter-revolution was getting started in many parts of the western world. And it wasn't even a mystery that in the left-wing of PSI Marx's ideas were still discussed and enjoyed a certain currency.
So, some two-bits intellectual in his circle came up with this moronic idea to have him sign an article were he would have attacked Marx as "inherently authoritarian" contrasting him with the "libertarian" Proudhon and he was the only one espousing a reasonable and realistic form of "socialism" while PCI and others were still enamoured witPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2431361
Hell even at the time most anarchists thought very little of the Cercle Proudhon and the national syndicalists



 

Sexuality, in and of itself, has no intrinsic connection to communism or any other political ideology. It is unnecessary, and often counterproductive, to project fetishized or hyper-sexualized imagery, into a serious political framework that is fundamentally about class struggle, material conditions, and the collective interests of the working class. Our shared identity should be rooted in our position as workers and in our common struggle against exploitation, rather than in personal characteristics that are unrelated to the core principles of our movement.Furthermore, the existence of openly fascist individuals within the LGBTQ+ community, particularly visible online ,demonstrates that sexual orientation alone does not determine one’s political consciousness or allegiance. Just as there can be reactionary heterosexuals, there can be reactionary homosexuals. This is precisely why we must clearly separate questions of sexuality from questions of ideology. If a gay person chooses to align with fascism, they are politically defined by that allegiance, not by their sexuality. To conflate identity categories with political commitment risks diluting the clarity of our analysis and undermining the solidarity of the working class as a whole.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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ITT we hate OP

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>>2431484
>Just as there can be reactionary heterosexuals, there can be reactionary homosexuals.
Is the reverse also true? Just as there can be revolutionary heterosexuals, there can be revolutionary homosexuals?

exterminate yourself and homophobia will vanish

>>2431484
I'd pretend to be gay for a hug. Perhaps suck cock as well. No kissing though, ew.



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