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 No.384546[Reply]

Remember how literally a few years ago tech companies kept screeching endlessly and endlessly about how "big data" was going to revolutionize the planet and lead to massive technological and societal growth and now today after big data has been achieved technological growth is actually on the decline while seemingly nothing about modern capitalism hell nothing about the planet overall has seemingly changed yeah what the fuck is up with that?
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 No.385629

>>384567
>>384558
>>384569


diminishing returns

most of the insights can be guessed by a salesperson. other stuff you could work out with a focus group or surveys. the gains from the huge hoard of data is minimal
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 No.385635

>>385629
the statistical gains of a whole population dataset over a large survey sample are very minimal.

so it is no surprise that big data is a big nothingburger
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 No.385639

>>385056
not familiar with that. im sure there are exceptions but that doesnt make the rule, which is its mostly HYPE
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 No.385865

>>384546
It's what we've always seen with technology under capitalism, whether that be computer technology, automation, space travel, or "big tech". Rather than seeing these technologies used for incredible social gain, they become nothing more than new fancy means for the same old exploitation. Take big data and the information revolution, for instance. The incredible leap in information technology has immense potential for central planning, as many theorists have shown. Entire national economies are entirely within range of being fully-planned, and we could very well use this technology to maximize resource allocation for everyone on this planet. And yet, while central planning and information technology has now been fully adopted in the economy, it is entirely used for the purposes of capitalist firms. Instead of using big data to fill the most human needs for the least amount of labor, it's instead used so Google can give you relevant Amazon ads after you search something random. Under capitalism, innovation becomes degradation.


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 No.384952[Reply]

My social skills are fucking horrendous and drive everyone away, I live innawoods in the middle of alberta meaning I cant relate to anyone on fucking anything because all the city folk perceive me as foreign as I have minimal understanding of neoliberal politics an whatever the fuck goes on in the United states and the big cities, covid restrictions prevent me from going to clubs where I can actually get laid and drunk and to top off the offences society expects men to all be magical billionaires where they have to simp and provide endlessly for women if you want one that isnt a literal slut but one that gives enough of a shit about your existence to stay near you. Fuckin hell :(
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 No.385841

>>385144
Thanks king
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 No.385851

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Unless you have an intact hymen, virginity is nothing more than a state of mind. It only has meaning if you give it meaning. Let it go, anon.
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 No.385857

>>384952
You'll never get your dick wet.
We are the doomed men.
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 No.385863

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Holy kek
This thread is fucking hilarious
Good job OP
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 No.385864

Moved to >>>/b/107471.


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 No.379574[Reply]

Hi, these are good-faith questions, I will take you seriously if you take me seriously. I am an american liberal and I want to understand the communist perspective.

1) As far as I know the Cuban embargo does not prevent the Cuban government from allowing its people to cultivate and start businesses. What are your major issues with the Cuban embargo?
2) Is it true that the Cuban government allow its citizens to fish or farm? All your porperity is taken by the government. I was told that all goods are directed to the tourism industry or members of the government, and if you are caught eating a steak you go to prison for 5 years. I find this a bit hard to believe but is it actually true?
3) Has Communism failed in Cuba? Innocent people suffer to support the regime. Even if your gripe is with the criticism on Socialism how can you not take a stance against a government that abuses the populace?

I'm not absolving capitalism of its evils by taking a stance against the dictatorship, but how could you possibly defend Cuba?
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 No.385434

>>385409
>socialism can't survive unless the US supports it
Also, this isn't how the embargo works. While the embargo generally prohibits trade with American companies, the larger disincentives caused by it and other sanctions on Cuba efficiently prevent other foreign countries from trading as well, especially those that are US trading partners.
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 No.385440

>>385431
>even if the rest of the world becomes communist and embargos the US, the free market would still thrive in the states.
That's just a complete lie. Most of the US's industrial capacity doesn't exist domestically anymore. If the rest of the world embargoed the US, it's economy would literally collapse. The US is a major node in the global economy, and depends on a vast series of chains to keep itself going. If one of its major trading partners outright stopped trading tomorrow, the market would have a fucking stoke before rapidly degenerating. An embargo implies the US can't buy or sell globally, which would completely fuck its capacity to leverage what domestic resources it has on the market.
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 No.385442

This is a NAZBOL BOARD and NORMAL FAGGOT REFUGEES ARE NOT WELCOME saged
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 No.385449

>>385431
>even if the rest of the world becomes communist and embargos the US, the free market would still thrive in the states.

So the domino theory shit was a waste of time and americuck lives in Vietnam?
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 No.385831

>>380813
>>379621
>>385388
Even the Soviet Union had limited markets for consumer goods you dumbasses.


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 No.369730[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

So what's /leftypol/ consesus on Moscow Trials? Was it a farce? Or were they actually guilty? Was there a trotsko-fascist conspiracy? Are all the testimonies fake?
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 No.384601

>>384473
The fact that the OGPU/NKVD was targeted for penetration and subversion by imperialists shows that all of Soviet society was permeated by the problem.
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 No.385679

>>384601
so the reasonable thing to do is to sentence 1 million people to gulag and shoot tens of thousands
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 No.385695

>>385679
If its the difference between winning and losing ww2….absolutely
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 No.385707

>>385695
>If its the difference between winning and losing ww2….absolutely
yeah, totally not false cause fallacy here. USSR only won because they killed so many people.
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 No.385769

>>385679
Guilty people, yes.


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 No.385269[Reply]

Do you wanna know how I got these scars? My father was a redditor… and a tankie. And one night, he goes off more authoritarian than usual. Mommy, who he has suspected to be counterrevolutionary Western chauvinist, takes his Little Red Book away because he’s not making any sense.

He doesn't like that.

Not…one…bit.

So, me watching, he yells “the CCP’s police forces aren’t bastards! The PRC is contesting the Western imperialist powers and fighting for working class interests by expanding socialist commodity production!” to her, laughing while he says it. He turns to me and says, "Why so anarchist?" He comes at me with reddit summaries of Economic Problems of Socialism in the U.S.S.R., On Authority, and parts of Das - "Why so anarchist?" He puts his phone with r/ communism101 opened on reddit up to my face - "Let's put some Dialectical Materialism TM in your head!"
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 No.385316

4/10 Shitpost
did laugh
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 No.385404

>>385269
Yes I read parts of das
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 No.385420

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Me at the top
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 No.385530

>>385420
>Hardcore Stalinist communist

>Chapo Traphouse


lul
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 No.385550

Moved to >>>/b/107310.


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 No.379516[Reply]

The next plan of the bourgeoisie is to "cure" aging as a ploy to avoid the problem of workers dying/retiring all the time. I predict the retirement age will be progressively pushed upwards as research progresses and life expectancy increases, until we are all immortal wageslaves. The only chance of escape will be suicide or accidental death.
https://www.tampabay.com/life-culture/2021/07/13/is-aging-a-disease-treating-it-like-one-could-save-us-trillions-study-says/
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 No.384342

>>379516
We live in post-truth society. Journos can literally make a bunch of shit up, publish it and now its a fact of life that you can't deny under threat of promoting dangerous misinformation.
> here's why change of retirement age to 90 is good for your career
> Weekends are too stressful: why 7-day workweek is actually good for your mental well-being
> Here's how "workers rights" concept is rooted in white supremacy
You will work 16 hours a day
You will not have weekends
You will be paid less
You will die before you retire
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 No.384412

So I get to be a twink forever? And the issue is…?
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 No.384430

>>384412
>the issue is
the issue that some people lack any ability to understand a future that isn't the continuation of the present
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 No.385022

>>379516
Lol, capitalism is increasingly becoming the demiurge's prison and the bourgeosie are the archons, escape only through class consciousness
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 No.385462

>>384286
I have yet to see any detractor in this thread explain exactly why simply not wanting to die, recognizing the beauty of life, and desiring more of that if possible is a bad thing? Nor have I seen anyone explain how that equates to some fruedian nonsense they keep grasping at. Detractors keep coming back to this death anxiety idea despite its baseless nature, are you sure your not fabricating what you want to see in these posts instead of witnessing what is actually there?


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 No.385124[Reply]

You guys love socialism and wealth redistribution.

I'm an American and I have poor dental health. I need at least 2 root canals and several fillings. My teeth used to be in great shape, but I've neglected my dental care for over a decade due to the costs and I'm gonna look like a meth addict in a few years if I don't take care of it. How can I fix my teeth?
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 No.385180

>>385155
No, I can’t say that I have. I think it’s probably safe, presumably they are supervised by the teachers. Fillings are pretty simple, hard to mess up. If nothing else it’s worth fixing those before they also need root canals. As far as the teeth which need root canals go it’s probably worth researching first.

There are also sometimes temporary mass clinics set up where you can go and get everything taken care of for free. Those usually brings a ton of people and you have to wait in line all day. Check with United Way or another similar non-profit near you. I hear some Americans are even forced to go to Mexico for affordable dental work.
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 No.385203

Go to a country where it's cheap as a tourist
You can come to Turkey, doctors works at very cheap prices at there( relatively); as a result we get a lot of medical-tourists. Even VisualPolitik have a video about it
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 No.385213

>my burger thread post has spawned a entire thread.
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 No.385223

>>385151
Dental insurance is the fucking worst. I had work done and did the minimal payment right before covid only to have the Dentist call collections. Nothing happened and my credit didn't take a hit.
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 No.385395

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>>385124

Go to Mexico. Serious. There's a company called Dayo Dental which connects you to all the best mexican dentists who have been trained in the US. You can get american-tier dental work for way way way less money.


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 No.383137[Reply]

>be Richard Sorge
>smash cooch left and right because you have just that much game
>fool the Third Reich for years
>delivered vital informations concerning operation barbarossa to the USSR
>Ian Flemming says, you are his inspiration for James Bond
>even classical cold warriors like Tom Clancy have to admit that you are probably a better spy than any western spy could ever dream of being

Why was this guy such a chad?
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 No.383661

>>383285
If you're a spy you have to live with the possibility that nothing you do will be acknowledged because it would be proof of your guilt.
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 No.383724

>>383305
>Sorge is based but it's an enduring Anti-Communist myth that he had vital information on Operation Barbarossa
He did have vital information on Barbarossa, he just didn't have documentation to prove it. Stalin's skepticism was understandable, but it was still a serious mistake.
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 No.384793

Requesting source on the Flemming thing. I have heard a gorillion "real inspirations for James Bond" but this is the first I hear of this guy.
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 No.385337

>>384793
I didn't find anything convincing tbh. There is a quote by Fleming where he said that Sorge was the best spy in history. Ofcourse there isn't a sure way of knowing if he really said that, but why would he lie? Sorge was a spy, liked to drive nice cars and bikes, an alcoholic and womanizer. There seams to be atleast a little homage to him by Fleming
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 No.385386

>>383724
Not a mistake if you consider the consequences of treating every bit of hearsay as fact.
There wasn't enough evidence of the issue to base national policy on, that doesn't mean the standards of evidence should have been lower or that they were wrong to set them there. It only looks like a mistake in hindsight because we know everything.


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 No.384294[Reply]

>NOOOO AHMED YOU CANT JUST KILL OUR CIA BACKED TERRORISTS AND WIN THE VOTE OF YOUR PEOPLE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO COLLAPSE LIKE SOMALIA NOOOOOO
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 No.384435

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 No.384462

>>384294
Yeah the USA back communists, retard
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 No.385062

Abiy Ahmed said taking from the IMF is like taking money from your mother. Fuck Abiy and Fuck TPLF. Fuck TPLF the most tbh.
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 No.385072

Abiy will not defeat the insurgency and he will get his shit pushed in by Sisi. Screencap this
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 No.385183

>>384294
Isn't the Prosperity Party openly neolib?


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 No.384794[Reply]

If the capitalists are defined as evil due to their inherent nature of exploiting proles whom have no means of producing anything by themselves and are subject to selling their labour in order to survive how does a socialist revolution whom commodifies all workers into endlessly labouring for each others cause or more often times in history labouring for an authoritarian elite like chairman maos party, heads of the ussr and nk or Cuba's party etc manage to free proles from exploitation by those that control the means of production? Doesnt all socialism do is force dependency among the working class rather than at the very least under capitalism give them options to escape working for others if they simply can opt out or choose to avoid?
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 No.385049

>>385024
>Economic exploitation is rather an objective economic process which occurs in regards to the value produced by the labouring class of a time.
No it was made pretty fucking clear by marx engles ted Kaczynski and god knows how many other philosophers that worker exploitation occurs when workers hate forced into labouring to produce wealth they'll never see the benefit of.
>capitalism and capitalists themselves operate inevitably on a global level.
No no they dont otherwise North Korea, china and estwani would cease to exist
>Anything less, or rather a stifling to strive for anything less, is a condemnation towards obliteration or suffocation.
<wahhh wahhh any type of societal change that ends up good for the public that isnt in my exact definition is bad because bad
>And? I don't care for random isolated "independent" communities, I care for socialism and the necessary actions to get there.
So your saying that when communities form outside of socialist societies then it's natural that people work for each others interests but when socialist fucking ruin those communities like what happened in ukraine and Afghanistan than all of a sudden you dont care, yeah that makes sense
>This measurement seems rather arbitrary. Being able to say something is not the same as being able to execute it, and no politcal group actually consequentially cares for "freedom" when the chips are on the table and it comes times to remove your opposition. Killing a person is fundamentally the same a censoring them. Not only that, but what difference does it make between censoring someone, and society being structured in such a way where no one wants to report the thing in the first place because of the profitability or larger social context of doing so, or such statements being made impotent because don't result in anything due to being thrown into the void that is discussion without realization.
You had an idea of the measurement of freedom being arbitrary but you kept rambling on and on and inevitably I lost track as to what your actually trying to state
>"Personal" interests are not inherently separate from "collective" interPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.385053

>evil
Read Marx.
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 No.385108

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>>385049
>No it was made pretty fucking clear by marx engles ted Kaczynski and god knows how many other philosophers that worker exploitation occurs when workers hate forced into labouring to produce wealth they'll never see the benefit of.
No, its not. Is such a thing a "good" thing? Likely not in regards to both our interests, but that's still not economic exploitation, which is something specific.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch23.htm
>No no they dont otherwise North Korea, china and estwani would cease to exist
Two of those are completely suffocated and isolated to the point of stagnating, while the third is entirely open in its adoption of capitalism for its reasons. Nothing you stated negated capitalists and capitalism operating on a global level.
>wahhh wahhh any type of societal change that ends up good for the public that isnt in my exact definition is bad because bad
No, its because its inconsequential. It decays and is inevitably reverted or subverted toward capitalist processes.
>So your saying that when communities form outside of socialist societies then it's natural that people work for each others interests
Yes, in general this occurs due to primitive relations necessitating it. It is not optimal though, and with time will eventually develop more advanced economic relations.
>but when socialist fucking ruin those communities like what happened in ukraine and Afghanistan than all of a sudden you dont care, yeah that makes sense
Explain "ruin" here, because I don't see their lives as ruined.
>You had an idea of the measurement of freedom being arbitrary but you kept rambling on and on and inevitably I lost track as to what your actually trying to state
The read it again and pay attention to the overall point being made.
>Holy fuck, I was almost willing to stop reading at that point because that is literally wrong. Niqqa not everyone on the planet is the fucking same and unsurprisingly different people need and want different fucking things at different fucking tiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.385145

>>384794
Workers and Capitalists each behave according to their self-interests, but in self-interest there is a hierarchical system. Capitalists extract the surplus value from workers and workers are deprived. This deprivation is unncessary as the Capitalists take the surplus value from the worker, who gives it in order to work, but at their decline and disadvantage. >>384794
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 No.385173

>>384794
Your question sounds like it's from the Ruling class's perspective, where capitalist rulers are vexed by the question why all those workers and peasants followed people like Mao, but not people like them. It's simple Communist rulers take less wealth out of society than capitalists for the "service" of organizing production and society. Also communists have generally been better at producing economic growth than capitalists, especially for those at the bottom of society.

>>384971
>Freedom is a measurement of how much an individual is capable of executing their own ideas
By that you mean it's a big fight where people all try to impose their ideas on others and force them to do their bidding. The resulting society of that is going to be very unfree, in capitalism it creates giant mega corporations that considers you to be a "human resource"
In that system there is very little freedom for other activities like forming a society and rationally pursuing common interests.


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