/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2552958
he deleted it realizing he needs to rewrite it to be more angry

>>2552901
>1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life?
Historically, we saw the same process in the Segunda Republica Española (i.e). See, the process of de-colonization that freed millions in Latin-America struck a severe blow to Spain’s wealthy classes. While the old elites yearned for past epochs of glory, stuck in the past, yearned the prestige they had, the imposing power (fuck even one of the kings of Spain was the king of Europe, or what remained as the Roman Empire, known as the Holy Roman Empire), the problems amounted, the situation was bleak, and poor people grew poorer. their solution was un-material: to return to imperialism. but in bankruptcy, it's impossible.
imperialism isn't a force that can be sustained forever. imperialized countries gain some force and start reclaiming better wages, winning economic battles, better life conditions, like the old Spanish colonies; similarly with China (and one of the reasons goods have become expensive) the conditions of imperialism become weaker, and the resulting system creates a good moment for communists to size control. the same way communists sized power in Spain, and Russia.
CPUSA isn't on its own fed, though their decisions are debatable, they operate under their material conditions. But the DSA it's another story. They have invited NED-funded people to talk in their forums, and have incessantly defended or justified the track record of some of their backed officials, like bernie sanders or AOC. As they will once the NYC mayor fails to deliver meaningful relief.
So why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt?
when time comes, the only way to guarantee that the ruling elites stop their control, and the wealth is redistributed; and with this I mean the wealth that is stolen from the people, the only way you can take the US out of the current imperialist elites chaos they have set the US people up is through these organizations.
it won't be pretty, it won't be perfect, but it'll be yours, and that's the point.
>2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindusPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2553006
his only problem I see is that he doesn't quite grasp the economic contradiction between going from one stage to the other. he's unable to reconcile these things, but I think it's because the science beneath it, it's difficult for him to comprehend.
as much as there are illiteracy problems, there is economic illiteracy problems, too. and stronger.

>>2553006
>overthrow imperialism

What’s that even mean Felix? The only way to overthrow imperialism in the U.S would be a proletarian revolution. And the imperial core proletariat won’t be interested in doing that if tell them their lives will get worst. CPUSanons argument, which I assume you do understand we by choose to wildly misinterpreted and strawman is

1: the imperial core proletariat doesn’t benefit from imperialism and would actually see a marked increase in their quality of life

2: our messaging to the proletariat should mainly focus on improving their conditions. The thing they care about the most and not lecturing them or calling them dirty evil treatlites for wanting healthcare.

You might have had an argument if this was the 60s when U.S imperialism still required drafting the proletariat to project force. Nowadays the imperial machine is hidden by an array of corporations and private military contractors. Carried out with a fraction of the people once needed for imperial adventures of yesteryear. Meaning U.S prols are more detached from imperialism than ever before. Even though it’s one of the main reasons it’s driving down their quality of life. They can be educated on this but only if they join the party and they’ll only join the party if they can material benefit from it. The only people you’ll get to die trying to overthrow imperialism directly are upper class adventurerist that can afford the time and supplies needed to carry that out. Pursue that if you want and god bless you but stop pretending that CPUSanon is a fascist for trying to build party infrastructure and popular support. Something that’s desperately needed as the empire is falling apart.

>>2552888
Better than nothing I suppose, as I understood it their participation in rallies and marchs is mainly for visibility anyway.

Up to them to fix those issues, but a communist party in the burgerreich is going to have a hard time regardless…

>>2544690
WW3 is not going to happen since what we have going on right now in Ukraine is the most any military-industrial complex on planet earth can manage right now. It's not a matter of "oh but they just don't want to mobilize", they can't. Stable bourgeois rule and austerity of the last 45 years made most economies far less adaptable and far more fragile. The only country that even has the capacity to produce electronics independently is China.
>but nooks
Not happening. Think of the economy!

China's century of Imperialism has already begun; what they're doing is very similar to Britain in the 1800s with e.g. Argentina

>>2548216
the third world already has iphones, retard

>>2548385
Brazil will be litearlly unhabitable in 30 years.

ALBANIA 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 💪

>>2484747
>>2484747
>>2484747
COAL

>>2539489
I think this does a lot to explain a lot of the Japanese socialists-turned fascists. I always saw Inejiro Asanuma as a very confusing figure but now he seems very coherent.
Basically, pre-fascist Japanese Communists were not really amongst the proletariat, they were mostly intellectuals.
By the way one of the only Japanese works on marxists.org is a guy complaining about this and begging for more integration with the masses https://www.marxists.org/nihon/yamakawa/1922/00001.htm
These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.
Hence, Asanuma joins the Labor-Farmer Party, Takabatake translates all three volumes of Capital, etc etc.
But then, Japanese imperialism really ramps up in the 1930s. All of a sudden, the Japanese bourgeois politicians go from hapless in the face of the catastrophe, to worshipping the military and pushing for imperial conquest. It seems like the crisis of Japanese capitalism can be resolved without socialism after all, by subjugating Asia.
So, all of these socialists, who care first and foremost about the Japanese national project, decide that the imperial path to resolving the crisis is far more feasible than the socialist path, and decide to convert to the most enthusiastic supporters of imperial conquest. For example, Takabatake establishes the Kenkokukai and Asanuma leads the charge in expelling Saito Takao from the National Diet after he questions the war.
Then, Japan surrenders. The Imperial path becomes completely off the table, and Japan is occupied by the United States, which waves the threat of incorporating various islands as UN trust territories. So, being genuine nationalists (I don't use that as a positive, just as a differentiator from the LDP politicians), they decide that the most feasible way to create a secure Japanese national state is to completely backpedal, Asanuma becomes a leading voice in the Pacifist movement and in cooperating with the PRC and the rest of Asia. InternationalPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2548306
>These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.

isnt this most succesful socialist revolutions? It seems nationalism and socialism ironically fit together the most

>>2548383
Yes, but if that's your only principle, it can also lead to siding with fascism if that seems a more feasible solution.

>>2535988
this

>>2531200
so you dont know either, meaning you're useless

>>2528717
I think the real takeaway is that while reformist politics can do a lot to advance the position of workers and peasants in imperialized countries, it ultimately faces the exact same limitations as social democracy in the first world.

rip bolivian social democracy

>>2552351
This used to be a pretty common take or at least a widely held perception of how humanity would turn out.

>>2552434
When does Hasan pretend to be religious? From my understanding he's non-practicing. A lot of the Muslim stuff he says as a bit. He does shit on atheists fairly often which is annoying (considering atheists are statistically far more likely to agree with him on pretty much every issue).

>>2552437
>When does Hasan pretend to be religious?
>He does shit on atheists fairly often

You just debunked yourself.

Honestly I'm tired of the Hasan glazing in here, yeah he's good on 50% of shit but some of you all white knight this one demsoc streamer who doesn't understand any Marxist theory so hard.
Why? Because his haters are r-tarded MAGA fanatics and zionists? Because he's hot? Actually listen to his takes please.

A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/append.htm
I think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm

Love the H3 podcast
Anything other than socialist democracy doesn't work
People who love regimes while living in a first world country are cringy as hell

>>2552056
made up shit anon didn't say award.
try quoting what was actually said next time.

The USSR became imperialist in nature near its collapse (and agruable eariler).

While i understand what OP means, and I agree I wouldn't say feds are pushing this, proles in exploited countries are saying this, and they are right that westetn bourgesisie are profitting off of them, they neglect the fact the western proles are also exploited (although to a slightly lesser extent). I said this on another thread eariler but it is true and many maoists have this belief

>>2552059
India
Sudan
Afghanistan
Vietnam
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Haiti
Romania
Democratic Republic of Congo
Cambodia
Indonesia
Thailand

>>2552515
>Afghanistan
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>Romania
Service economies. DPRK and Afghanistan have literally the highest numbers of small markets in the world and Afghanistan is expanding into tourism and accommodation and other bs.

>the rest
Excluded by me initial post, since they're like the 10 out 100 third world countries where the service sector isn't dominant.

>>2552459
>The USSR became imperialist in nature
nah, it never was, it was always giving more than it received from its bloc

Those are rather nice anon. I collect communist and communist adjacent paraphernalia when I can get my hands on it. Here's a picture of some pins I got in berlin

>>2552363
beautiful

>>2548805
Weren't Marx and Engels (especially Engels) sort of Pan-Germanists as well?

>>2548805
>le horsefaced woman in robes as a representation of a country x1000
why are euroids so uncreative?

>>2549113
Based Hepp-Kexel-Group got it right

I'm against it because Germany is basically an entire nation of redditors

Nazi thread dni

In February this year, a 23 year old man from Tierra del Fuego Argentina traveled to Russia following an internet ad about free college education for foreigners in Ekaterimburg(?) University. He wanted to travel and explore the world. When he arrived he was asked to sign papers he couldnt read and was sent to a training camp for 3 weeks and from there to Donetsk. He managed to contact his family and begged them to get him out. His father is pleading the Russian ambassador to let his son go home. According to the message recieved by his parents, he arrived to Ekaterimburg university with a group of foreign students, mostly brazilians and they were all tricked in the same way.

https://www.losandes.com.ar/sociedad/es-argentino-se-fue-estudiar-rusia-y-termino-error-la-guerra-ucrania-el-pedido-la-familia-n5968879

>>2551641
Literally every Zigga here is honest about supporting Russia against Ukraine, typically as a means to an end.
That's not the case with the vast majority of the "anti-campists" and "true" leftists, who are not honest about the fact that they're actually supporting Ukraine against Russia. This is evident from at least two facts: (1) their commentary is completely lopsided against Russia to the point of never saying a harsh word about Ukraine; (2) their activity in /ukr/ is disproportionately centered about moments of high-grade Ukro hopium, whereas a genuine anti-campist with no dog in the race would have more uniform temporal behavior, posting during both moments of Ukro hopium and Ukro doom, for the simple reason that such moments don't motivate his or her ideological stance.

>>2552266 (me)
…oh, and (3): some of them don't even bother to change their /uhg/ filenames.

>>2551117
she makes me think of carrie in homeland

>>2551701
It's very funny that elected officials are crashing out like this publicly on social media over nothing. Oh no the new AG of Virginia was mean in private text messages lmao.

Soon

>>2551701
DARK WOKE IS BACK AND I THINK ITS FUNNY