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>The inability to achieve on an international scale what has been achieved, or is in the process of being achieved, on the national level-partial or complete elimination of capital competition-permits the continuation of class antagonisms in all countries despite the elimination or restriction of private capital formation. To state it the other way around: because nationalization of capital leaves class relations intact, there is no way of escaping competition on the international scene. Just as control over the means of production assures the maintenance of class divisions, so does control over the national state, which includes control over its means of production. The defense of the nation and its growing strength becomes the defense and reproduction of new ruling groups. The “love for the socialist fatherland” in Communist countries, the desire for a “stake in the country,” as exemplified in the existence of “socialist” governments in welfare-economies, as well as national self-determination in hitherto dominated countries, signifies the existence and rise of new ruling classes bound to the existence of the national state.

>WHILE a positive attitude toward nationalism betrays a lack of interest in socialism, the socialist position on nationalism is obviously ineffective in countries fighting for national existence as well as in those countries oppressing other nations. If only by default, a consistent anti-nationalist position seems to support imperialism. However, imperialism functions for reasons of its own, quite independently of socialist attitudes toward nationalism. Furthermore, socialists are not required for the launching of struggles for national autonomy as the various “liberation” movements in the wake of the second World War have shown. Contrary to earlier expectations, nationalism could not be utilized to further socialist aims, nor was it a successful strategy to hasten the demise of capitalism. On the contrary, nationalism destroyed socialism by using it for nationalist ends.

>It is not the function of socialism to support nationalism, even though the latter battles imperialism. But to fight imperialism without simultaneously discouraging nationalism means to fight some imperialists and to support others, for nationalism is necessarily imperialist – or illusory. To support Arab nationalism is to oppose Jewish nationalism, and to support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2756912
>Again, it's easy to point at algerians and vietnamese for forming alliances with their national bourgeoisie. Way easier than pointing to the french workers who gleefuly joined the ranks to subjugate them with the promise of a plot of land, or the ones that stayed at home and chose to do nothing while the empire was at weakest (post WWII destruction, stretched thin trying to maintain it's colonies.)

This is not about blame. The text explicitly acknowledges the fact that there are many real reasons as to why nationalist movements garner support. There's no doubt that the Vietnamese and Algerians had been impoverished and brutally oppressed by France and later the United States. Workers following a nationalist movement may at times even benefit (though the benefits from nationalist politics which had existed right after WW2 are today marginal or non-existent) from chasing out an occupying power. The point of the text is that the national project will subsume and destroy the socialist project if the socialist movement is willing to subordinate itself to a nation, because the nation-state is an inherently capitalist form of organization. This is confirmed by the history of socialist movements that were either killed or repressed by nationalist and religious forces which were previously allied with them during struggles for independence. (Indonesia, Iran, Poland, Iraq, Egypt, etc.)

This is true of places in which socialism "won" as well, like China or Vietnam. A worker in China and a worker in Czechia lives within the same set of social relations, regardless of however radically their constitutions differ on the subject of communism.

>>2757194

>This is not about blame.

You can see people in this very thread, as well as other leftcom texts, doing just that. They disregard the historical and material context in which these decisions were made, which incidently implies that the groups who made them did so because they are dumb and follow a dumb ideology. A very idealistic way of seeing the matter, if you will.

>The point of the text is that the national project will subsume and destroy the socialist project if the socialist movement is willing to subordinate itself to a nation

Again, this is dictated by the correlation of forces at the time. In China, the Kuomitang lost because the communist movement showed itself to be the more competent at disputing the masses and waging war. But if they had not declared a truce, they'd both be erradicated under japanese occupation.

Not every movement will know how to navigate that balance properly, and as a result they will be coopted or destroyed, as they were in the exemples that you cited.

>This is true of places in which socialism "won" as well, like China or Vietnam

The decaying of socialist construction is another matter, although related. Maoism develops a remedy to that in the form of Cultural Revolution, although admittedly we need further proof of concept of this.

>>2756620
>the burden of revolutionary defeatism is on the metropolitan workers,
You are a fucking retard, you have no idea what revolutionary defeatism means

>>2757293

I accept your concession

>>2757423
Well the vast, extreme majority of the population was against the continued colonization of algeria since like, I dunno… the 1800's, that didn't stop any french government from doing it that long (is that really surprising?)
Or is the idea that since they still had soldiers, it wasn't real revolutionary defeatism?
Considering Algerians troops were never going to enter the mainland to defeat the republic anyway, there never would've been an opportunity to "transform defeat in the war into a civil war" as Lenin said


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Lines Placed Through Theraveda Buddhism:

Nero: St. Paul, homosexual apologist from crimes of St. Peter.

Pitcairn: Edward Ashbury O'Neal, Confederate General and "Leatherface"; "Sid Haig".

Hess: Reynard Heydrich, Coen Brothers and "Final Solution"; "German Counter-Terror".

O'Neil: Timothy O'Neil Jr., Gutwills and "North Vietnamese Army"; "NASCAR".

Charlebois: David Michael Charlebois, Stock Leicesters and "German Scientology"; 9/11 Truth, "Jews Did 9/11".

St. Paul: Emperor of Rome, building of road between Tyre and Sinai.

Edward Ashbury O'Neal: Cavalry support, and light horsemen of medic; American Civil War, Union.

Reynard Heydrich: British spy, German trench lines, Great War; rape by French soldiers, for being disloyal to German Kaiser under Weimar.

Timothy O'Neil Jr.: Vietnam War veteran, prevention of INTERPOL replacing American police officers; service in Massachusetts State Police, as interceptor driver.

David Michael Charlebois: CIA HUMINT, clandestine operative on contract operator per famous political families and households of Foundation logic; "X-Files".


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I think that you should not be allowed to make death threats or yell fire in a crowded theater, that includes rhetoric that causes destruction and harm such as holocaust denialism or cross burning, rightist rhetoric always leads to destruction so it should be limited by a dictatorship of the proletariat. True free speech doesn’t exist under capitalism anyways.
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CP is illegal. Lolicon is illegal. Child sex dolls are illegal. Obscenity is illegal. Now operating systems without age verification measures on the signin (like Microslop) is illegal. Now ADULT porn sites are firewalled by ISPs in some states.
>>2756908
P much this.

>>2757099
False and malicious statements against the federal government are illegal. Just bring up the fact that John Adams persecuted newspapers with the Sedition Act of 1798, so a Founding Father violated free speech before the ink even dried.

Nevermind the fact that it was an amendment and not part of the Constitution (booj autofellatio) proper. Meaning it was appeasement of radicals. The juxtaposition resulted in the creation of ancaps.

>>2757131
jefferson argued against the sedition act and it expired in 1801. john adams was generally reactionary anyhow, also opposing the secularism of the states, which violates the first ammendment as well:
<Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102

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>>2756997
Kill yourself


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>>2755521
>not even willing to look good in a symbolic vote for soft power purposes
if you put this in fiction they would say it was over the top, too on the nose, cartoonish
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>>2757024
it's still stupid that the USA voted against it since it had a whole ass civil war over it, and even America's """"islamofascist"""" enemies who used to enslave africans themselves also recognized it as wrong. face it. burgers have lost the mandate of heaven. everyone hates them and they go out of their way to be edgy and anti-human even when handed the opportunity for a simple public-relations layup with no strings attached.

>>2756957
This has nothing to do with the working class its just retarded ethnic nationalism.

>>2755763
why did cambodia abstain? trying to curry favor with trump against thailand? how pathetic

>>2757107
>nationalism is when you say that slavery is bad

>>2757124
No its when you try to claim a certain historical event as being the worst atrocity ever in human history forming a hierarchy of opression and then trying to use that to leveradge monetary benefits to for your ethnic groups personal gain.


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I really don’t understand why people think that the Jews control communism I know why people think that because Marx was a Jew but he pacifically said that religion was the religion was opened to the masses and corrupted people so I don’t know why people think that communism? Is a Jew thing when it’s more of a atheist thing
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>>2755225
Let's ignore all the communist leaders who were not Jews like engels, che, mao and sankara bitch

>>2755232
>>2755236
the nazi copes are either

A) that non jewish communists are "spiritually jewish" because communism "is just jewish because it just is ok???"

or

B) that non jewish communists were really just third world ᴉuᴉlossnWs who didn't care about communism and just used it as a vibe

>>2755325
>>2754038
>>2754050
>>2754115
there are a lot of Jews, both on the left and right, it's kinda hard to ignore

>>2753938
It's just hatred, they hate jews and they hate communism so they're the same for them, they've never read anything written by the people they hate.

The jews don't want you to grow turnips, fry with cisco and drink moonshine


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I wanted to share this recent video that made the rounds on the internet here in Iraq. It's presumably of a PMU rank and file, or the relative of one, expressing his discontent with the current social order maintained by his superiors. A far cry from the image users paint here of the 'homogeneous classless orient'.

On another note, while it is understandable, I still dislike the fact that people here are celebrating the death of 'resistance' officials who have massacred them in the past.

I don't trust that they have the foresight to detach their ultimately worthless deaths from the prevailing imperialist war. I worry that this may push some to campism, especially with the US mouthpieces' drool and screams for more proletarian blood. Many Iranian comrades share my same sentiment.

You must've really sucked to make Iraqis out of all people cheer for your US-sanctioned death. Well done islamists, even anti-americanism you ruined.

>>2750912
>the image users paint here of the 'homogeneous classless orient'.
yet you paint an equally false image of the 'homogeneous leftypol poster' in order to get (You)s. curious.

>>2750955
Very nice… now let's see how many armchairs in the general are cheering for the war to continue and to 'glass Israel' compared to those posting the everyday reality of civilian casualties and annihilated neighborhoods.

shii liberals dogging this thread like a bullet lmao

Aircrafts droning near my place again…

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Imagine my shock when I learned that US demographic losses from Great Depression were almost as high as what USSR had suffered from WW2 or WW1. It was like 10 times worse than Soviets' Holodomor, as it turns out. Simply terrifying what kind of horrors US censorship has hidden from us
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>>2752729
>Perhaps OP meant less people being born as demographic losses
I would also think so, if he didn't say
<Simply terrifying what kind of horrors US censorship has hidden from us

>that's basically the same logic western historians would apply to the soviets
true

I kind of want to vindicate the OP, but upon reading the source, it's pretty much the same thing that bourgeois propagandists do when they use projected birthrates to prove that communism killed 100 trillion, but from the other side. Understandable for the Soviets to use this line back in the day, but hardly solid evidence by today's standards.

>>2756101
Never expected a "blacks had it better before Civil Rights" take here but I guess that's par for the course in /leftypol/.

You're memeing right? You genuinely don't believe Blacks had it better in the 60s or 70s than today?

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>>2756135
It's kind of debatable NGL. The Black middle-class has it good but de-industrialization hit fucking hard.

>>2756101
Certain parts of the south. I think it's mainly the cities of the south in particular places like Atlanta and Dallas or Houston.


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https://gh.bmj.com/content/11/Suppl_1/e017221
<Beginning in the 1980s and 1990s, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank implemented neoliberal structural adjustment programmes (SAPs) across most countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. SAPs imposed austerity, privatisation and economic deregulation and have been associated with severe negative impacts on human welfare, including (a) declining real wages and working-class consumption, (b) increased rates of poverty and basic-needs deprivation, (c) increased neonatal and maternal mortality and (d) reduced health system access. Structural adjustment also created conditions for increased financial outflows and drain from the global South through unequal exchange. This paper reviews evidence of these damages and proposes possible options for reparations and distributive justice. We argue that the IMF and the World Bank should be democratised and restructured—or otherwise replaced by alternative institutions—to prevent further harm.

>I'm happy to announce this new paper — we compile evidence on the extraordinary harms caused by IMF and World Bank structural adjustment programmes in the global South since the 1980s.

>The empirical record is devastating: documented negative impacts on wages, poverty, inequality, maternal mortality, infant mortality, healthcare access, etc.

>SAPs inflicted misery on the periphery in order to curtail their consumption, scupper independent development, and make labour and resources more cheaply available for the core.

>As indicated at the bottom of the article, this piece is part of the Walter and Patricia Rodney Commission on reparations. The Commission includes a total of 10 contributions, 5 of which are published here in the BMJ Global Health
https://gh.bmj.com/content/11/Suppl_1

Thanks OP I look forward to reading it

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good thread.

Someone @Ben Norton on Twitter immediately.


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THE AESTHETICS OF COMMUNISM

This thread will describe what exact superstructural changes will occur in the aftermath of a Global Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution once the Material Base has been transformed after the Socialist Mode of Production has been established Worldwide. Enjoy Comrades, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

I will present a thought experiment, what will the World look like a century from now, decades after the World Maoist Protracted People's War (PPW) swept the forces of Capital and Reaction into the dustpan of History in the aftermath of World War III (it started in the Late 2020s as a High-Intensity Conventional Conflict between the U$ and China that escalated into a Global Nuclear War, but contrary to most Pseudoscientific Bourgeois Liberal and Revisionist expectations did not cause an apocalyptic "Nuclear Winter", but instead destroyed the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allowed for a World Maoist PPW that saw Maoist rebels seize control of the entire planet after decades of guerrilla warfare), 🤔? This Effort post will seek to answer that question, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

First, I will explain the political structure of this future Socialist world. There will be a Global USSR, in which every major Nation/Ethnic group will receive their own SSR or ASSR according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR (as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union ), including New Afrika, Aztlan (in a Hispano-American SFSR that includes all the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas), the First Nations, Azawad, Oromia, Afaria, Basque Country, Catalonia, Scotland, Wales, Sapmi, Palestine (in a Arab SFSR that includes all the Arab mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Newfoundland should be indepenedent. Their government got revoked by the British in the Interwar period.

>>2729534
Newfoundland fails to meet Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture” so it should remain part of the Anglo-American SFSR of the future Global USSR due to being majority populated by English-speaking White Settlers, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2755437
Why are you an anglo chauvinist who will not give self determination for native american nations or Cornwall?

>>2755440
I made the Native American Reservations/Nations ASSRs because most of them are not big enough to be SSRs, and the fact that the Cornish language is essentially dead and the Cornish people seem to have thoroughly blended into the ethnic English population, means that Cornwall fails to meet Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture”, though if the rumors of small scale Cornish language revival turn out to be true and it can be proven that a majority of Cornwall’s population are actually Cornish, then you could justify creating a Cornish ASSR of the English SSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2545468
> This thread will describe what exact superstructural changes will occur […]

Literally idealism.


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> Be me
> Hanging out with my less radical comrade and his lib friend.
> Starts discussing capitalism with comrade because that's what we always do.
> Lib friend butts in and gives the usual lib response "Yeah I agree but isn't that a bit radical?"
> NeuronActivated.Jpeg
> *Long Yap Sesh about free healthcare, the state and workplace democracy.*
> Comrade starts talking to lib friend
> "Bluegrass is a great debator, I don't think I've seen him lose a single debate."
> This flatters me a bit, I never really thought I was that good of a debator, I really only have surface level knowledge about the topics I debate but I guess that's enough to be considered a master debator when you're debating libs.
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>>2755240
That's when you humbly say oh I don't like debating I just want a discussion.

>>2755240
I mostly advise people who disagree with me to go kill themselves so probably not

>>2755353
the only way to truely win a debate is to kill the person youre debating

i always use the columbo tactic. i pretend to not know much about politics and just ask questions so the other person can reach a conclusion on their own

>>2755240
I'm pretty good at debating cause my father is kinda an IRL debate addict
and well, Im articulate and passionate enough about politics that people dont challenge me much, so its more often discussion, some even ask unprompted for my opinion or perspective on things happenings (iran war for example) which is pretty flattering I admit


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