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How am I supposed to avoid falling into doomerist thinking when the current state of the world seems so hopeless?

I know that any good leftist isnt meant to succumb to such nihilism but I just cant seem to stop slipping into it.

It's like no progress is being made (atleast here in Amerikkka) and instead any progress is being reverted, with conservatism becoming more popular and dominant, progressive laws being reverted, the continued destruction of the planet, Ai making the masses dumber and a general lack of class consciousness.

I just dont understand how other comrades can still stay so hopeful and determined under these conditions.
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>>2533388
They know that real progress was the friends we made along the way

>>2533388
Recognize your sphere of influence. If you fixate too much on all the bad shit out of your control, of course you're going to feel depressed and powerless.

Unironically volunteer at a soup kitchen or animal shelter or something (not just about the animals, btw – shelters are a magnet for broken people).

Don't bury your head in too much theory or make things overly complicated. It's almost invariably more rewarding to spend an afternoon just doing good things in your community than it is to hunch over some leftist tome.

All existential problems are made up by the bourgeoisie because they know Communism solves all problems so they lie. The world state is not hopeless because Communism creates foundation for worldwide peace and prosperity.
>I know that any good leftist isnt meant to succumb to such nihilism but I just cant seem to stop slipping into it.
The first step is accepting that your nihilism is anti-Communist deviation.
>It's like no progress is being made (atleast here in Amerikkka) and instead any progress is being reverted, with conservatism becoming more popular and dominant, progressive laws being reverted, the continued destruction of the planet, Ai making the masses dumber and a general lack of class consciousness.
You live on dark side of the moon. You overstate problems, but Communism solve all problems.

>hopeless
Hope is having goals, it is doing praxis. It's your problem for not moving forward on any program. Take a few steps forward to achieve some small goal, and if you can't, find someone to support you.
>>2533421
>Maybe leave the fourth reich and find a place that still operates dialectically
<Aristotle: walked away from his segregated apartheid neighborhood to speak dialectically with his slaves
<Ben Burgis: PMC podcaster who politely debates his settler neo-nazi friends like Charlie Kirk, while having nothing but contempt and scorn for his slaves, making a career of New Atheist style scolding like a good PMC Jeffrey Epstein club member
>>2533458
>The reaction also really doesn't have anything to do with "trans people" in particular
the bourgeois ruling class being obsessed with controlling the genitals of their slaves is very particular and obvious




 

Go on dole. That is what I am doing.

I worked for government for like 6 months and realised the government does not give a shit about how many people are abusing their services; it's mainly welfare fraud they care about which costs them millions and is in the hands of the very few.

In my country of Australia, there are more people on JobSeeker Payments than ever. But there is also absolutely nothing stopping a communist party from committing welfare fraud by putting in false applications in some fake person's name and collecting it from an ATM.
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>>2533783
Rupert Murdoch could rape you to death and you'd still have to pay him something in return.

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>>2532812
i hate it here

>>2533791
Then leave, there’s explicitly third worldist forums you can go to

>>2533791
I'm a citizen of a country in the "global south". Fraud is based.

I say be thankful you live in a country where you can get on the dole and take advantage of it as much as possible. I'm an American autist and have been trying to get on the dole for like a year, it's an extremely drawn out intentionally convoluted bureaucratic nightmare and even if I am approved its not nearly enough money to live on and MAGA will probably abolish it soon anyway.



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Arab states, Palestinian groups condemn Israeli move to annex occupied West Bank
Both bills passed by the Israeli Knesset concern the annexation of illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank. The first seeks to apply Israeli sovereignty to all settlements, while the second specifically targets the settlement bloc and city of Ma'ale Adumim, one of the largest illegal colonies built east of Jerusalem. Although boycotted by most opposition lawmakers except one member of the ruling Likud party, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the measures were backed by smaller ultra-nationalist factions within both the coalition and the opposition.
https://www.newarab.com/news/arab-palestinian-outrage-over-israeli-move-annex-west-bank

'Disappointing': ICJ grants Israel another extension in South Africa genocide case
South Africa urged the court to reject Israel's request, since the latter had already been granted an extension on the same grounds raised in its latest letter. "The extension requested would be irreconcilable with the urgency of the case and the principle of equality between the Parties," the ICJ cited South Africa as saying.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/icj-grants-israel-another-extension-submit-evidence-south-africas-genocide-case

Abahlali baseMjondolo wins landmark ruling halting evictions in lucrative coastal municipality
In a landmark decision for South Africa’s shack dwellers’ movement, Abahlali baseMjondolo has won a legal battle against the KwaDukuza Municipality, after the High Court in Pietermaritzburg ruled in its favor on Friday, October 17, halting the forced eviction of hundreds of residents from ERF 1410 in Shaka’s Head, on the Dolphin Coast.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/10/22/abahlali-basemjondolo-wins-landmark-ruling-halting-evictions-in-lucrative-coastal-municipality/

Cuban man deported from US to EswaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

Revealed: police across US spread false rumors about Venezuelan gang threats
An unverified rumor that Venezuelan gang members were preparing to kill police officers spread like wildfire through US law enforcement agencies last year, internal records reveal, only for federal officials to later quietly acknowledge the claim was mistaken. The intelligence report, which appears to have first been disseminated by a local New Mexico police department in July 2024, suggested that the Tren de Aragua (TdA) gang had directed its members to “fire on or attack” law enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/23/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang-police

US court rejects Trump officials’ effort to delay rulings on veterans benefits
Wednesday’s decision came after secretary of veterans affairs, Doug Collins, asked the court to halt work on nearly all cases until the government shutdown concludes. “Pausing VA’s deadlines in nearly every case before the court is a significant and extreme request, and the secretary has failed to demonstrate that such sweeping relief is appropriate,” the judges wrote.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/23/court-trump-veterans-benefits-rulings

At Request of Billionaire ‘Friends,’ Trump Pulls Plug on Troop Deployment to San Francisco—For Now
“The Federal Government was preparing to ‘surge’ San Francisco, California, on Saturday,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “But friends of mine who live in the area called last night to ask me not to go forward with the surge in that the Mayor, Daniel Lurie, was making substantial progress.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/billionaires-stop-trump-troops-san-francisco

Injuries reported as protesters, federal agents clash in San Francisco Bay Area
Protesters gathered Thursday morning outside the Oakland entrance to Coast Guard Island, clashing with federal agents as Customs and Border Protection personnel arrived at the Coast Guard’s Alameda Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Episode 498: Deal Flow Donald (TrueAnon)
Dylan Saba joins us to talk about the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, what’s in the 20-point plan, and what the present looks like in Gaza.
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/deal-flow-donald

CPI Maoist Statement: On Sonu And Satish Gang‌ Treason And The Unavoidable Path Of The Revolution
We call upon the people of the revolution to punish Sonu, Satish and their followers, who have become revolutionary traitors, who have committed a revolutionary treason, who have succumbed to the enemy. Sonu and Satish are being expelled from the party. Our party’s Central Committee, Politburo member Sonu, Dandakaranya Special Zonal Committee member Vivek, DKSZC Deepa, 10 Divisional Committee/Company Committee members, party members, PLGA. A total of 61 members surrendered to the police in Gadchiroli in the presence of Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis on October 14. Our party and 50 guns of the revolutionary people were handed over to the enemy. This is a revolutionary betrayal of the party, a revolt against the party.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/22109/

Ukraine: From sporadic resistance to war to the first hotbeds of collective struggle
Since the beginning of the summer, a wave of mass protests has been sweeping across the planet from the United States to South Asia. Ukraine is no exception. At the end of last year, we pointed out: “Both Ukrainian and Russian public opinion is currently focused on the presidential elections in the United States, with many having the misguided hope that a Trump victory could provide the basis for a quick, peaceful settlement of the war. It seems that only the failure of these expectations can open the way for mass interest in a revolutionary alternative. We are at a turning point in history.” The beginning concentration of anti-war direct action around certain locations marks a new stage in this process. This summer, the region of Volyn became one of the country’s leaders in this regard. Then, on September 19, according to the regional TCR (territorial center for recruitment), its employees fought off a crowd of workers in the town of Kovel with tear gas. While the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

One of the major things that annoys me about liberals is they act morally superior to people of the past who had bigoted beliefs.

First they ignore the material conditions that bigotry, ie growing up in a homophobic religious community, livinging in a segregated community. They assume that morality is fixed thing those in the past where to ignorant of it or are evil. Rather than it being an invention man based his experiences. Do really slave owners are inherently bad people, or due to them Owning/growing up in a society that has them they begin to rationalize why they are necessary and that's for the benefit of the slaves. Liberals themselves don't even follow their own standards as lot of them can be hateful towards Russians and Chinese people. And view LGBT, Black people with rose tinted glasses.

Secondly its a form slave morally taken to its extreme. Instead of just believing that your morally superior to your alive opponents instead you have to rebuke the dead. As some sort of resentment towards the past and its figures. It's a feeling of false power.
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Lol what, liberals always make excuses for dead slave owners

>>2530888
I was watching that shitty Gen V show because I love my slop and two characters had a little dialogue
>Einstein was a racist
<actually, he was a firm supporter of the civil rights movement
>he didn't like the Chinese
<*dramatic OOOOH YOU GOT PWNED pause*
I almost turned it off. I felt transported straight back to 2016.

>>2530901
No, their first form of attack is always to dig up a 200-year-old private letter where the author says something like how he doesn't like slavs that much. They always ignore the content of the work. And yes, they do idolize slave owners, like the Iroquois. they don't care about hypocrisy because they own the status quo and don't have to justify themselves.

>>2530901
conservatives and fascists do the same just for their own ends

>Do really slave owners are inherently bad people, or due to them Owning/growing up in a society that has them they begin to rationalize why they are necessary and that's for the benefit of the slaves.

Yes I believe slavers in all times and places were evil. Some people say slavery was necessary for civilization, and if that's true then civilization is evil, which is easy enough to believe just looking around. Not only do I love moralism and presentism I also love judging current people by the standards of an imagined future society. If I can see it why can't others? Probably because they're stupid and evil.

>>2532802
cant tell if this post is just trolling or not but if it is serious then
>muh evil
good and evil are terms invented by humans and have no fixed defenition for what counts for both.
>Yes I believe slavers in all times and places were evil.
Let's look at the United States for example notice most abolitionists are from north while those who defended slavery to most vehemently are overwhelmingly from the south. That's because the north relied on free workers for the ecomony to function while in the south they required slavery. Even when slavery was finally abolished the south still for decades after had a form of pseudo slavery where bound to plantations due poor economic conditions and jim crow laws.



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Do the inter-socialist wars like the Sino-Soviet War, Sino-Vietnamese border conflict, Albania-Yugoslav border conflict, Cambodia-Vietnamese War, etc not demonstrate that war will persist under socialist governance due to the need of states to maximize their power, as is advanced by geopolitical realism?
Capitalist Imperialism only covers so much of warfare. States are much more than arbiters of class control, they also enforce social cohesion among a people. Once the ruling function was established in society, it began to be differentiated and assigned to a specific class only when victorious peoples in tribal wars took slaves and ruled the vanquished tribes. Rule and control preceded class and will outlast class. Even if Lenin fell to utopianism in State and Revolution, to have a centrally planned and vast assembled organization of production is obviously nonsensical without a highly centralized authority, and that authority will require a military to defend itself against other states outside of their borders who may desire to infringe on its territory. A workers' and peasants' desire to enslave another nation for their own security or for what the Chinese called Hegemonism is not unthinkable, just look at the Soviet-Afghan War. And even if its is not capitalist imperialism it still necessitates each socialist state maintaining armies to defend themselves even as the last outpost of the bourgeoisie lays down its arms.
The only reason why the Soviets only had to care about one of their bordering socialist states is because they had complete military control over the Eastern European people's democracies and Mongolia. When bordering socialist states had independent militaries, it was different. China, not controlling any of the socialist states it bordered, waged war on both the USSR and Vietnam, and Democratic Kampuchea waged war on Vietnam. Somalia waged war on Ethiopia, and there were fights between Albania and Yugoslavia. That's more than can be handwaved away as being because those leaders woke up in a crabby mood. It shows that even nations under Communist-run states need to defend themselves from other nations, even those who are also under Communist-run states. The state will not just wither away, it will remain in place to act as a means of national defense.
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>>2526862
These were inter-social democratic wars, not inter-socialist wars. I think that will help with your totally-wrong conception of the state.

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>>2533570
t. picrel

>>2533570
Why would the family disappear?
You mean the family will be free from capital

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My view on the National question is that like you said the state as an society existing in a defined space for a common interest organised by laws existed before the class dynamic and later got co-opted and formed in a feedback loop of class struggles.

The current geopolitical order is an order of international capital through which exploitation and alienation has become global but also more interconnected.

When markets reach a point that they exhaust themselves and a breaking point is reached and revolution happens, the community negates capitalism but in a form similar to the one before and that is the socialist state.

It has the form of national state :borders , military , intelligence agency , etc while also carrying the ideas of it’s own demise : public ownership at the same time

The revolution has to take on this form because it would be isolated in a sea of burgeoise who will take the first opportunity to kill it.

Therefore the state can only weather away only after the burgeoise international order has been negated into a socialist international order, until then
National-Communism is a necessary step in achieving that

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>>2533674
Communism wants to negate the family as in to reject the capitalist aspect which centres it around property and elevating it into a new form in a post capitalist dynamic.

Anyone who un-ironically thinks family as in family be or should be abolished is a lunatic and inherently anti revolutionary



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Best USA president in its history?

My pick is Calvin Coolidge, since the best thing we can hope for in a capitalist / imperial leader is a complete hands off isolationist (and military defunding) approach. So what if he was a libertarian wet dream
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>>2457903
No such thing as a good US president

Trump (second term)

Andrew Johnson was the goat american. He represents American finely. An absolute retard

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I think we all know the answer to this question.

>>2459908
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>>2459979
>>2459984

That "historian" is a right winged libertarian



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>b-b-but newspapers arent praxis you fucking (((trot)))!
Consider the following, dear reader.
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All forms of media can be praxis. But only if have anything worthwhile to say.

Honestly the idea that spreading communist ideas via paper is useless is weird. That idea rests on assuming that everyone in your country either already knows communist theory and disagrees with it. It also assumes everyone without exception has no curiosity and refuses to read or learn anything about communism.

>1969
Nobody reads newspapers anymore.

>>2532891
Ok make shitty tiktok videos about USA warcrimes instead.


>unsuccessful fragging attempts
unsuccessful



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Heil Platner Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2533428
If the US is in a civil war it’s because all the other countries you listed have also fallen

>>2532954
you see, the only reason we have the incredibly means tested, constantly cut and more and more inaccessible social safety net is solely due to imperialism! If you want to make things better here, you must support imperialism!

>>2533395
Ben Norton goes to great lengths to stress alarmism and doomsday predictions as being wrong. Given his frequent contact with Hudson I'd imagine he thinks the same way

>>2532885
Lately, all of your posts are bad, my man.

t. sad Ginjeet



 

David Cleary, solider F, has been found not guilty for his role in the bloody Sunday massacre, where 14 civilians were killed while they peacefully protested for their rights in 1972, this massacre essentially kickstarted the troubles.



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How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?

I've recently been reminded of this due to the Czech republic having a far-right party (Freedom and Direct Democracy Party) who wants to expel all migrants and "protect Czechia from Islamization" that is headed by a Japanese-Czech mutt who was born in Japan and lived there until he was 10.
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>>2508849
>You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…
Specifically on construction (and by extension other manual trades relating to house building/maintenance) is that a lot of that work has been petit-bourgoified. Construction unions used to be as powerful as anything but outside of Australia they really aren't much anymore.

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People develop a petit bourg consciousness in spite of mostly being proletarianized. Reason is simple.
If you have the material condition of being immiserated then this is a prerequisite for developing a revolutionary consciousness. However, its also a prerequisite for falling for dreams of upward mobility a la "The Pursuit of Happiness" (2006).

Since a lot of these migrant workers have little education they're easy prey for vulgar propaganda meant to specifically appeal to people in those conditions and distract them (or even turn them hostile to) ideas that are more coherent to history and the way capitalism functions. Again, the combination of "very poor education" + "anti-communist brainwashing" makes them easy prey for things that obviously do not work like "just work harder, save money and become your own boss!".
As for why this makes them self hating the answer is it doesn't: they consider themselves "the good ones that work hard to pull themselves by the bootstraps" and the other migrants as freeloader leechers.
I'm talking in part by experience as a latino (that has never left south america btw) that has seen a nuclear shitload of right wing sentiment in actual proles. It makes no sense but once you realize how easy people can be spooked if they're kept as uneducated as possible then it all makes sense.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian immigrants in DC. They tend to be extremely right-wing, anti-communist, Islamophobic, and pro-Zionist, yet they’re very subtle about it. Plus, Ethiopian Orthodoxy has all sorts of weird occult stuff in their religion that always translates to crypto-fascism. It reminds me of Mormonism just for Black people. DC would be better off revoking their visas and sending these people back.

>>2508842
>assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

What crazy thinking!

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>>2508739
>How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?
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The bullied want someone weaker to bully and are willing to praise their own bullies in the process, if they believe that will provide some felling of belonging. Pretty much the same process through which fascism establishes itself.
You might have noticed, specially if you lurk in places like 4chan's /pol/, how much some people from impoverished corners of the world try hard, often too hard, to blend in with the place's local chud population. Filipinos, Pakistanis, Indians, some Latin Americans, they will try desperately to join the bullying side when the joke is on someone else. As an example, guys from Southeast Asia seem to rejoice when the speech is anti-black. They will be bullied themselves in the process but suck it up and act apologetic just so they can, at least once, feel they are not at the bottom of the pyramid.
To give other examples, people from the Indian Subcontinent desperate to be seen as more white and civilized by bringing up some 5 millennia old Aryan presence, Latin Americans bringing up some German great-great-great-great German grandfather nobody asked about, the odd Southeastern Asian dude trying to convince others (or actually believing, who knows) that the strict, disciplined and smart Asian stereotype applies to him while ignoring the racist jokes thrown at him to remind that the Asian stereotype Yankees talk about do not include the Philippines, Thailand or Cambodia.
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