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From supporting the bourgeois state hunting down, imprisoning, or outright murdering workers on the basis of foreign national origin justified by collaborationist opportunism (aka left anti-immigrant rhetoric)

To upholding le national struggles 25 entire fucking years after the 20th Century demonstrated how it will NEVER LEAD TO COMMUNISM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE

To supporting literal racial essentialist logic where certain races (i.e. “black people” “oppressed nationalities” etc) are more revolutionary than others and le heckin Marx simply didn’t consider how important race and nation truly is

Every single type of so-called socialist, outside a very narrow slice, has more in common with Adolf Hitler than Karl Marx, they deny this, but they’re also proud of it, when the fuck will they stop, and is violence the only way to make them (and you) cease and fucking desist?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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>>2542939
Pointing out that non-Europeans have a better track record at doing socialism on their own accord makes you a race essentialist apparently.

>>2542939
White people invented communism, you should be kissing our feet.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2542971
Marx was asian

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>>2542971
Only if you have stinky feet 🧀

>>2542973
Marx was African



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We are told of human and animal sacrifice as a vestige of religious superstition. We are sometimes told that the ruling class still engages in the superstitious forms of human and animal sacrifice for the purposes of achieving some kind of mystical end not rooted in evidence. But what about the very real human and animal sacrifice that we still perform not for superstitious reasons but for scientific reasons? Capitalists plan wars explicitly to destroy excess means of production and commodities, including the commodity labor power in the physical form of human beings, as noted by Rajani Palme Dutt in Fascism and Social Revolution Chapter 3. In order to learn if a new medicine or technology is effective, it must be tested on animals and/or humans for side-effects. In order for revolution to succeed you need not just thought leaders like Lenin but thousands of ordinary people to fight, often to the point of sacrificing their very lives for small gains. Will we be able to abolish the "rational and scientific" forms of human and animal sacrifice along with the "irrational and superstitious" forms of human and animal sacrifice in a more advanced society, such as a Communist society, or perhaps later on, a Kardashev Type I or Type II civilization? Or will the sacrifice of human and animal life always be needed to move things forward? If humans merge with their technology and cease to be human in the original biological sense, will they still need to or even be able to sacrifice themselves for some cause?
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Bro just one more sacrifice bro.
Just one more big spectacle burning dozens, no, hundreds of people alive.
The rain gods will finally listen and end the drought. I promise bro please.

humans are inherently irrational and superstitious
you cant get rid of the sacrifice cults

There will always be an expenditure of energy, nerves and muscles or any other matter

>Kardashev scale
>vaccine testing is the same as cutting people's hearts out as a gift to Huitzilopochtli

OP, people are always going to have to pick tradeoffs in order to do anything. Most of the things that actually advance society technologically or socially really doesn't have some serious inherent cost. Most of what we have to deal with is a result of class society producing things (including knowledge) in a way that maximizes profit and is indifferent to suffering.

>>2541975
>The Elder Stops Scrolling.jpg
lol

What's wrong with Kardashev? I think he was onto something.



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<NSPM-7 Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2541978
even if they were able to, i'm just not convinced the bourgeois would rather rule over the ashes. their lavish lifestyles of xanaduian retreats and cosmopolitan gilded castle parties would not sustain themselves in a post nuclear apocalypse, i think this is a fantasy, they really don't want to go in the bunker and be at the mercy of the insane mercenary holding the gun once fiat money ceases to be.

>>2540915
its to include the black african diaspora. actually not as silly a thing as it sounds, considering at a certain point it gets hard to talk about e.g. caribbean history and culture without an understanding of africa, and to a lesser extent vice versa.

>>2540880
>Grant
<Failure
>Johnson
>Average
This has to be the worst ranking I have ever seen.



 

The USA has funded, trained, and mantains death squads, paramilitary forces, and criminal militaries in Latin America. One of the most awful cases is Guatemala, which became a counteinsuryency (a.k.a terrorist) state due to US influence. It is basically open warfare against the civilian population, mainly the indigenous who make up more than 50% of the total population. It has some similarities with Palestine, in fact. The main difference being the perpetrator is not a foreign force but their own government. These forces are trained at WHINSEC in the US and local forces around Latin America. For example, Brazilian forces train Panamian force, and these forces train Costa Rican ones.

Is it possible to beat a terrorist state that is supported by the US? To at least stop the government from its murder spree?

Also this is more of a curiosity question, but what kind of training turn men into killers and torturers? Especially of children?
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>>2542452
Money, also propaganda and religious ethnocentrism/cults/isolation. You can do more shit with trauma and drugs but the more brain damage you give your recruits the less reliable they are. Generally, you have to rely on a very heterogeneous hierarchy of troops for different purposes and tasks. The most competent and well-paid troops are at the top and the most brain-damaged and numb/suggestible troops are at the very bottom. Anyhow PTSD is brain-damage and military training gives you PTSD. Shocking and bizarre forms of hazing and ritual that desensitize you to violence are a thing but partly they're a form of emotional blackmail and partly they're intended to create highly specialized/suggestible grunts with dissociative disorders. Also shattering the family structure and recruiting orphans is good.
Semi-relevant https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/
The most important thing is money though.

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>>2542468
I read that the Kaibilis, Guatemalan special forces, must kill a puppy and eat it. I suppose this is part of the training so they can kill innocents. The PTSD part makes sense too, broken men are easier to manipulate. I would like to know more about the hazing and rituals. Maybe its secret information?

Many of these forces get drunk while doing the killing too. I suppose they cant do it sober.

>>2542477
Yeah read Seth Harp's "The Fort Bragg Cartel". They hand out meth like candy. They did the same shit in Vietnam. But honestly I think it's mostly the money.

>>2542452
Watch home alone 1 and 2



 

Jailed Bahraini activist begins second hunger strike
A previous hunger strike by the 64-year-old activist, who also holds Danish citizenship, lasted for 110 days in 2012 – and a doctor now is warning the Danish government that Mr Khawaja is already 22 pounds underweight, with a heart condition that could worsen.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/jailed-bahraini-activist-begins-second-hunger-strike

Lebanon’s Aoun calls for end to Israeli attacks in meeting with US envoy
UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said on Monday that the previous day’s attack on UNIFIL troops, which he said involved an Israeli drone dropping a grenade in the vicinity of a patrol, as well as a tank opening fire on peacekeepers near the border town of Kfar Kila, was “very, very dangerous”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/28/lebanons-aoun-calls-for-end-to-israeli-attacks-in-meeting-with-us-envoy
https://archive.ph/ohzdj

Inspecting passers-by | Israeli forces establish new checkpoint in western Al-Quneitra
An Israeli patrol of five military vehicles advanced this morning into Be’r Al-Ajam town in the western countryside of Al-Quneitra, where the patrol’s members established a checkpoint to inspect passers-by. This coincided with growing public concern about the recurrent movements by Israeli forces in the region.
https://www.syriahr.com/en/372492/

PKK says withdrawing all forces from Turkey to northern Iraq
The PKK said the move reflected its dedication to disarmament and integration, calling on the Turkish government to enact laws that would enable its transition into legitimate political participation. PKK spokesperson Zagros Hiwa told Reuters that the withdrawal was part of implementing Ocalan’s peace plan, adding that Turkey now needed to introduce political changes to support the process.
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Revealed: Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret ‘wink’ to sidestep legal orders
For Israel, losing control of its data to authorities overseas was a significant concern. So to deal with the threat, officials created a secret warning system: the companies must send signals hidden in payments to the Israeli government, tipping it off when it has disclosed Israeli data to foreign courts or investigators. To clinch the lucrative contract, Google and Amazon agreed to the so-called winking mechanism, according to leaked documents seen by the Guardian, as part of a joint investigation with Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and Hebrew-language outlet Local Call.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/29/google-amazon-israel-contract-secret-code

Pro-Palestinian students threaten to sue US university amid antisemitism definition controversy
“As a public university, the law is crystal clear that GMU may not censor its students or student organizations on the basis of viewpoint,” the letter added, demanding the university allow SJP to repost the video by Friday. “GMU cannot utilize the veneer of anti-discrimination in order to censor student speech that may be disfavored by the administration.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/29/george-mason-university-virginia-ihra-antisemitism-definition

spending $5M to slam House Dems over political violence
The ads vary by district, but accuse Democratic incumbents of voting against funding for law enforcement and feeding into or not condemning political violence, according to the ones viewed first by Axios. Many feature images from the assassination attempt on President Trump, ammunition engaved with "anti-ICE," the killing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina and a clip of Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough saying "there has been left-wing violence."
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/29/house-republicans-ads-political-violence
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Interviews with Georges Ibrahim Abdallah
[Video] https://odysee.com/@richardmedhurst:3/inside-the-mind-of-a-militant-an:f
[Text] https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/22318/

France in Crisis: an Interview with Jean Luc Melenchon and La France Insoumise
In the nine years since its founding in 2016, La France Insoumise (LFI) has become the leading left formation in France, with its current parliamentary representation at 71, ahead of the traditional parties of the left, the Socialist Party and Communist Party. The personality most identified with it is Jean Luc Melenchon, who has run for president three times, the last time in 2022, when he gathered 21.9 percent of the votes, finishing third after second-placer Marine Le Pen of National Rally and Emmanuel Macron. La France Insoumise describes its orientation as democratic socialist and ecosocialist. The following is a composite interview. When he visited Paris in July 2025, Walden Bello interviewed some of the leaders of LFI, including Nadege Abomangoli, vice president of the National Assembly; Aurelie Trouve, chairwoman of the Economic Affairs Committee of the Assembly; and members of parliament Arnaud Le Gall, Aurelien Tache, and Aurelien Saintoul. This was followed in September 2025 by an email interview with LFI leader Jean Luc Melenchon (JLM).
https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/10/29/france-in-crisis-an-interview-with-jean-luc-melenchon-and-la-france-insoumise/

Caerphilly by-election: A harbinger of things to come
On 23 October, residents of Caerphilly, a town in South Wales, turned out in record numbers to vote in a by-election for the Senedd, the devolved Welsh Parliament. Plaid Cymru’s Lindsay Whittle was elected, on an unprecedented turnout of over 50 percent. While just a single constituency, this result has far-reaching implications. It is often remarked that the Welsh Labour Party is the most successful political party in history. Labour’s dominance in Wales has remained practically unrivaled for over a century – uPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon



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>everything under the umbrella of capitalism is corrupted and must be criticized as bourgeois propaganda!!!
>except anti racism, feminism, trans ideology, open borders, secularism and vax science


explain this shit to me leftists, 90% of your world view is in lock step with the average Fortune 500 company(Rule 12)
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>>2542204
Ok then let's go through your specific objections:

>anti racism

Proletarians of all races should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>feminism
repeat the same argument as above. Male and female proletarians should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>trans ideology
cisgender and trans proletarians should be united against the capitalist class rather than divided on this question, especially since the capitalist class is already united despite these differences.
>open borders,
short answer: the proletariat knows no country
long answer: the bourgeoisie already have total freedom of travel but the proletariat is supposed to stay in a nationalist cage and be less free to move around than the stuff they create through their labor? On the question of brain drain, outsourcing, using migrants as cheap sources of labor, etc. End imperialism and this won't be a problem.
>secularism
Anti-secularism takes many forms. What kind of theocracy do you desire? Abrahamic? Vedic?
>vax science
enjoy polio, measles, mumps, and rubella i guess

>>2542168
>everything under the umbrella of capitalism is corrupted and must be criticized as bourgeois propaganda!!!

Not true. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find people who praise the bourgeoisie more than communists. For example, in a recent interview James Vaughn said that without the industrial revolution we would all just be good liberals because they were right about everything.

https://youtu.be/GRoyLo6HubQ?si=GPUYfouaPklCPman&t=5740

1:35:45 if the timestamp link doesn't work

I can't remember if it was Engels or Lenin who admitted socialism was a bourgeois science. Marx praised the bourgeoisie for being great revolutionaries who frustrated the reactionaries, he just wanted them to keep going but they're not incentivized to so it's up to the workers to do the rest. Note that many online socialists will seethe at this and accuse you of saying socialism is an extension of liberalism. Very undialectical.

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>>2542244
>I can't remember if it was Engels or Lenin who admitted socialism was a bourgeois science.
you can't remember? so I take it you have no source for your claim (Not OP). If Engels said "socialism" is a "bourgeois science" (wissenschaft) did he say it during the era that he he wrote Principles of Communism, and trying to distinguish socialism from communism in general, or did he write it later in his life, when he was calling Communism "scientific socialism" and distinguishing it from bourgeois socialism, democratic socialism, reactionary socialism, and other forms of socialism? It's sort of like reading Lenin before and after WW1. For Lenin Marxism and Social Democracy were the same thing until WW1, when social democracy betrayed the international proletariat leading to the collapse of the 2nd international. So if these remarks are real I would like a source, and am especially interested in the year that source was written. But you can't even remember which of the two gentlemen said it.

>Marx praised the bourgeoisie for being great revolutionaries who frustrated the reactionaries, he just wanted them to keep going but they're not incentivized to so it's up to the workers to do the rest. Note that many online socialists will seethe at this and accuse you of saying socialism is an extension of liberalism. Very undialectical.


Yes, for Marx, the bourgeois were revolutionary, but their revolutionary potential was historically limited:

<The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.


<The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation,
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>>2542260
One example is Lenin in What is to be Done? when he favorably quotes Kautsky who said:

<Modern socialist consciousness can arise only on the basis of profound scientific knowledge. Indeed, modern economic science is as much a condition for socialist production as, say, modern technology, and the proletariat can create neither the one nor the other, no matter how much it may desire to do so; both arise out of the modern social process. The vehicle of science is not the proletariat, but the bourgeois intelligentsia [K. K.’s italics]: it was in the minds of individual members of this stratum that modern socialism originated, and it was they who communicated it to the more intellectually developed proletarians who, in their turn, introduce it into the proletarian class struggle where conditions allow that to be done. Thus, socialist consciousness is something introduced into the proletarian class struggle from without [von Aussen Hineingetragenes] and not something that arose within it spontaneously [urwüchsig]. Accordingly, the old Hainfeld programme quite rightly stated that the task of Social-Democracy is to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the consciousness of its task. There would be no need for this if consciousness arose of itself from the class struggle.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm

>>2542368
This is not "admitting" socialism is a "bourgeois science" as originally claimed, but stating something a bit more profoudn and nuanced, though I can see why you oversimplified this quote into the claim from a few posts back, especially deriving it from memory.

<The vehicle of science is not the proletariat, but the bourgeois intelligentsia


This is the closest he comes to stating what you said, but I still think there is a difference between stating that scientific education is originally a privilege of the bourgeois intelligentsia, and stating explicitly that socialism is a bourgeois science. He is still saying by the end that

<the task of Social-Democracy

(1901, pre-split from Marxism)
<is to imbue the proletariat (literally: saturate the proletariat) with the consciousness of its position and the consciousness of its task. There would be no need for this if consciousness arose of itself from the class struggle.

So the practice of socialism is begun by the class traitors of the bourgeois intelligentsia, but is ultimately the task of the proletariat. It is not exclusively bourgeois, just originally bourgeois in its origins (since Owen, Fourier, Saint-Simon, Marx, and Engels were all bourgeois class traitors).



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What is required of us, as revolutionaries, in these times is tantamount to Sisyphus hoisting the boulder up the mountain, but we have failed to even grip the rock, to gain leverage over the boulder. Let's be completely real. There is no national program. No true revolutionary party. No unifying narrative for the masses, for us as revolutionaries to rally around. There has only been reformism and endless, seemingly insurmountable suffering. There has, for as long as I've lived, been nothing but violence against the people, from police brutality, to poverty, to industrialized sacrifice zones and genocide abroad, and now it has reached another fever pitch. 40 million people will lose their SNAP benefits in less than 5 days, why? Because the government has shut down. Warships are still arriving in Venezuela as I write this; there are some parts of the government that never shut down, even if those working there aren't getting paid, the imperialism must continue. The regime cannot and will not provide for the masses, but it will and must provide death for workers all across the planet. And now? We see that death brought home. We are facing conditions not seen since the Great Depression, this is reality, not spectacle, there is no algorithmically curating starvation.

One of the most purchased items with SNAP is baby formula. Those with babies who are losing access to SNAP will be staring down the barrel of state-mandated infant starvation. Imagine, a newborn, dehydrated, unable to cry, rooting around in despair for nutrients. This is an acceptable loss to the regime, to the United States Government; after all, they had no problem starving newborns in Gaza, it made the rich even richer to do so, and that is all that matters to the regime. It has become increasingly clear that the pseudo-representative government of the United States will not be re-opening for business, and in its place, a new authoritarian order has been created. You will be too busy dealing with your neighbors starving to deal with the encroachment of fascism. Too concerned with your own ends to worry about your neighbor being sent to a concentration camp. They do not believe we have the solidarity to with stand their siege. Did you know that over 50% of the food produced in the United States is destroyed to maintain prices? Food grown, cultivated, and destroyed to assure you go without, and a capitalist has more money in his Scrooge McDuck-esque vault. This is the anti-life Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2540877
you are all Belgians, all 12 of you

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Rightoids including those in government are already salivating at the idea of the "useless eaters" starving to death or just gunning them down outright. It's going to be a radicalizing event for sure

>>2540868
Yeah but if they were mostly white you probably wouldn't hate them as much

>>2540569
I'm not giving you the 5 dollars bro, give it up

So the explanation is simple, by eliminating welfare you force the working class to take any low paying to job to survive, which reduces the cost of labor. Less labor costs means that manufacturing is going to become more viable. I won't be surprised if we start seeing $20k/yr factory job positions opening up soon.



 

I mean it is kind of neat, but it is really just soft power. Really odd soft power, because communist parties are such a small niche by comparision…
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>>2535320
>China is an imperialist social-fascist state
Buzzwords.

>>2535343
As the west crumbles more and China rises more the "totally organic" westoid seething against is expected to get worse.

It's barbarians yelling at civilization.

They shill for China for 0 dollars. Nothing to lose

>>2535320
certified classic. shame /leftypol/ cant even read past the first line to get to the funny parts of a joke

>>2535320
perfect bait 10/10



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CONSOOM! BUY! CONFORM!
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Just in time for the spooky weekend

>>2538135
Kill yourself, Russian. If you thought that was spooky, you've haven't seen nothing yet

>>2539182
are you saying they actually ship to russia

Aint no way dawg skull emoji skull emoji wilting rose emoji




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someone also replied with this

>My grandparents are like that, they have photos of Abdel Nasser and his family in their living room, treating him like a Saint. But if you were to ask them anything about actual Arab nationalist philosophy, they wouldn't know. All my grandparents know is that things were better back then, my Granddad would be provided a job that supported his family and there wasn't any filth on the streets. To a large extent, things were indeed better back then and that's just how it is for most people, these people believe and worship the State and the Leader, they don't give a shit about Ideology. As long as it's not openly 'heretical' to the values of people, the masses will believe in it
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>Not a commie or a Fascist, but I’ve come to realize that certain countries, especially in the third-world, need strong authoritarian leadership for development. It doesn’t matter if the government’s ideology is Communist, Fascist, or even an authoritarian Monarchy, they all end up being similar in the end and are necessary for long-term development. democracies don’t work in low-trust, low-education societies. You need central authority to make people follow rules, maintain cleanliness and foster civic sense, etc.
Thoughts?

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relevant

>>2502051
something a totally-not-a-racist neoliberal would say, lol

>>2539927
average maine senatorial candidate

>>2168075
yes proles are retards who need to be manipulated with emotions to achieve social change, democracy is a lie, next question.



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