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So every socialist or communist group I join in America is the same. I have a meet and greet for example the FRSO and they tell me straight to my face they do not see the working class seizing the memes as revolutionary but the petit boo shop keeper as the real revolutionary and give me the example of the Kuomintang as “yes they killed communists but they United the small businesses and were communists” and every socialist party I join I look into they are a NGO tax free donation machine making millions and paying out the top executives huge Salaries and doing nothing while we work for free . If I dig deeper into members politics it’s just neoliberalism . It’s fucking liberalism everywhere anyone else experience this !
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Start your own by organizing the masses
for more info:
prisoncensorship.info

>>2450525
>No, making the 9999th trot split of the month won't help.
"Trotsky split from worthless failed programs" not the argument you think it is!

>>2450490
>neoliberalism
what other economic structures can we use besides "entrepreneurial brand building for individuals competing in the market"?

>>2450543
> Amerikkkan trade union labor aristokkkrats are the real revolutionaries
A McDonald's worker is more revolutionary than AFL-CIA shit.

>>2451401
>shit nobody said
can you talk like a normal person or is 4chan memes the only way you mush-for-brains can manage



 

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/15/dimz-a15.html

UK Defence Secretary John Healey pledges troops on the ground in Ukraine

>On the morning of the Alaska summit between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Britain’s Defence Secretary John Healey reiterated that the UK was ready to “put boots on the ground” in Ukraine to reinforce a ceasefire […]


Let me see your warface, /leftybritpol/
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you can all protest and complain about about Corbyn right now, and you can all proclaim to be a staunch anti-electoralists and anti-reformists
but we all know if Corbyn's party starts polling well enough to win or at least achieve some kind of notable success story, that you are all gonna be skipping down the the polling booth and eating the ass of demsoc grandpa
and you know what? i'll end up doing the same too if there's a real chance of victory, principles be damned

>>2451323
who said anything about principles. reformism only works at the expense of the immiserated wage worker lol, thats why they hardly ever vote

>>2451323
Lmao why the fuck do you think I am a socdem pig like you.

>>2451344
>>2451370
I'll see you both in the voting booth sisters :)

>>2451314
>purity politics.
sorry fag, purity politics is actually the PSA attempting to remove anyone and everyone who's politcs are not to the liking of a clique of london soft-zionists.



 

https://www.politico.eu/article/political-newcomer-new-lithuanian-pm-inga-ruginiene/
>Lithuania’s parliament Tuesday approved Inga Ruginienė — a longtime trade unionist and political newcomer — as prime minister, following the resignation of Gintautas Paluckas amid allegations about his financial dealings.

>Ruginienė, 44, now has 15 days to submit the government’s program — which will be focused on security, economic growth and social welfare, and will likely look similar to the previous program — to the parliament.


>Social Democrat Ruginienė entered politics last year, taking the social security and labor portfolio in the government. Until then, her career was rooted in the trade union movement: she served in senior positions in both Lithuanian and European union organizations.


What are we thinking, /leftypol/?
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>>2451027
the pro-Russian shit is absolute cope, their only one argument is that the authors don't write about Ukraine much + they support Palestine = they are pro-Russian
>>2451022
everything with labor is so depressing here but it's not surprising, we are a periphery of the EU
>>2451050
I don't agree with the definition
reactionaries in the past tried to go back to feudalism, hence their sometimes shallow anti-capitalism, I think Thomas Carlyle was one such person
liberals want to keep the same order as is, not go back in history

>>2450361
AOC doesn't have the cred of being involved in the union movement. Not that this makes her a revolutionary but it's certainly a step up.

>>2451170
>the union movement
WTF does this even mean. theres the proletarian movement which almost no union leader has anything to do with, much less a politician

>>2451170
AOC is a literal democrat project too. The whole narrative of her coming from working class is pure lies

>>2451050
Reactionaryism is when you don't purge 90% of the party and set up a cult of personality around yourself and shake hands with fascists, cumrades.



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Youtube Playlists
Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
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>>2450227
No that specifically is not work but that was also not the original question.

>>2450228
>that is not work
okay, so hobbies are in themselves not work
try a new angle.

>>2450228
>hobbies are in themselves
>>2450228
> that specifically

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>>2450251
hobbies in themselves mean Hobbies abstractly (H).
this means that all particular hobbies (h) are included within the category of something being a hobby, so if one part of (H) does not conform to its common identity as "work" (w), then (H) in itself ≠ (w). as a formula we may express it likewise:
(H) = (h1, h2, h3…); (h1) = (H)
proposition: (H) = (w); = (h1)
counter: (h2) ≠ (w)
conclusion:
(h1) = (w); ≠ (h2)
(H) ≠ (w)
so in particularising the variable, we come to say that only some hobbies may be work, while not all hobbies are work, thus hobbies are not work in itself, causing contradiction in the abstract generality: >>2450206
(i.e.) "hobbies are work". a middle term, or condition, is then required to qualify the statement correctly, so as to give it correctness; "some hobbies are work". my line of questioning then determines this by deduction.

>>2450277
They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2450538
this tbh, she shows up with some shit praising muh tech genius billionaires for her english course (and quite clearly, state multiple time in the article, was trying to illuminate them to the goodness of the capitalist run world they dont know about and try to sneak it into her lessons), and they come back wanting social critique of the usa instead, and she genuinely cant wrap her head around it
also its an university "run by evangelical Christians" that make south korean reactionaries like her come teach, how are you surprised they're not fans of divorce (and why are you assuming its the "ruling class?")
I definitely get the feeling the students perfectly understood what she was doing and were simply pushing back

>>2450457
they have nukes and a space program, so Im pretty sure they are able to prove theories and conduct research, again she just seem completely unable to grasp people might have a different cultural background and expectation for schoolwork. Like she believes an essay, structured in the way she was taught, is the gold standard of education, like there is no other way to think about the world
its funny, she seems more obsessed about the great leader than they are in the article

>I did not question him further, but I thought I understood

this summarize the feeling I got reading her account. She throw a whole lotta assumptions on them, everything thought through the lenses of 'they're brainwashed", so that she completely fail to grasp them
given she only stayed 6 months, I wonder if she got thrown out or just left
it read mostly like the rest of anti dprk slop propaganda, pretty uninteresting

>>2450731
>they have nukes and a space program, so Im pretty sure they are able to prove theories and conduct research, again she just seem completely unable to grasp people might have a different cultural background and expectation for schoolwork. Like she believes an essay, structured in the way she was taught, is the gold standard of education, like there is no other way to think about the world
Copying Russian blueprints, you mean. That's the main reason Kim is sending Koreans to die in a war in a country they can't even place on the map.

>>2451119
>That's the main reason Kim is sending Koreans to die in a war in a country they can't even place on the map.
Amerilards have an instinctive need to project their ignorance on to others

>>2450538
honestly made me proud that the students could suss out her true motives and propaganda, none of this western worshipping attitude

>>2451140
Yeah just all of the Kim worshipping attitude.

Real question though, why don't people like you move to North Korea?



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Recent news:
STG sets up roadblocks on the roads leading to Suwayda, pursuant to the ceasefire agreement.
Remaining tribals in Suwayda governorate launch a last-ditch attack on Suwayda city.
Tribals enter some of the city's northwest areas. They suffer heavy casualties and retreat from the city on the same day.
Straggler tribals launch a few attacks on Druze villages here and there, nothing significant.
Overall ceasefire holds up after that. STG prevents further entry of tribals and their numbers keep dwindling.
STG releases their report on the massacres of Alawites in March of this year. They say that they aren't directly responsible.
Saudi announces they will buy a bunch of property in Syria.
Israeli and Syrian officials meet in Paris. A second meeting in Baku was cancelled.
Accusations that the STG is doing a soft siege on Suwayda governorate and worsening the humanitarian situation.
Turkey/SNA starts threatening the SDF and launches a few attacks against them in Deir Hafer and Tishreen dam.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
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The zionist entity is hitting Syria hard tonight.

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Israeli airstrikes on Al-Kiswah, southwest of Damascus. This is the fourth time they've struck this area for the past 2 days.
Additionally, a (presumably Israeli) helicopter was active over the area yesterday.

>>2450210
sincerely what do you get from these videos? I don't understand it. Half the time it's just someone waving it in a pitch black night.

>>2450210 (samefag)
According to some sources, Israeli SOF performed an operation in the military base near that area during the night, hence the presence of helicopters.
>>2450213
Visual and audio confirmation of events is important.

According to Israel, the recent raid on the military base southwest of Damascus was over Turkish spying equipment there trying to gather intel on Israeli forces.



 

>Undid Cornman's retardation
>Stopped counter-revolution cold in Czechoslovakia
>Aided Vietnam in its war against American imperialism
>Still lives rent-free in the heads of Maoists, pro-Hoxha "Anti-Revisionists" and pro-NATO liberals despite being dead for 43 years
Discuss one of the most under-rated socialists.
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>>2366243
>Undid Cornman's retardation
By replaced it with stagnation and eventual collapse of the Union.
>Stopped counter-revolution cold in Czechoslovakia
Worst mistake of his career.
>Aided Vietnam in its war against American imperialism
At least something positive but any other Soviet leader would have done the same.

People only like Brezhnev because he was the coolest looking socialist. Similar situation to Tito.

>>2448750
kosygin's reforms failed, and weren't what Deng was doing.

>>2385950
obvious AI generated. theres a few tells but the main thing is that this is a very funny idea for a shitpost but it somehow managed to be completely unfunny and lame

>>2378971
Here's a little truke almost nobody wants to accept. The vast majority of people in the world don't care about "revisionism" or what your position is on events that happened decades before they were born. Nobody wants to fight for a "communism" that amounts to a secularized treasures in Heaven while waging a protracted people's forever war.
>>2448749
>do you guys just like losers or something ?
At least the Bhrezhnev-era USSR was a functional socialist society. It wasn't inevitable that it would fall into fascist hell. And it's not like all the people that railed against the "revisionists" did any better. Trotskyism and Left Communism remain the sideshow they've always been. Where did Enver Hoxha's "anti-revisionism" get Albania? They ended up being the Ukraine of the Balkans. China got rid of the Gang of Four and ensured that China didn't perish in the attempted counter-revolution in 1989.



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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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What is the role of digital information including private information in marxist theory? Isnt it a form of capital?

>>2449080
It's the flag of Djibouti

>>2449087
Capital, General Intellect or both
Too tired to be precise on this one but that should be the gist of it

I recently started reading Mayakovsky's communist poetry found on Marxists.org. Can you recommend me some other Marxist/communist or politically left poets?

what is *actually* wrong about electoralism? if a left-wing party was popular, why *wouldnt* you vote for them?



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Going through historical records over what actually happened in most wars (both recent and ancient) is making me frustrated over how insultingly weak, passive aggressive, incompetent, and cowardly the vast majority of people and men in general are. Apparently something like 80%+ of all pre gunpowder age battles revolved entirely around intimidating the opponent and only attacking once the enemy was fleeing and had their backs exposed. If that shit wasn’t dishonourable enough, some armours including Persian helmets or Viking berserker armour were specifically designed to make Persians appear taller and Vikings more scrappy to deter opponents rather than anything rooted in battlefield function. The same could be said about most ornamented armour which only tells me that nearly every motherfucker in history have spent generations dicksucking themselves off with meaningless trophies and amateur displays of strength before running and freaking out the moment actual battles occur. In terms of actual fighting, if it wasn’t against already surrendering fleeing opponents, civilian casualties—especially against unarmed, weakened, and defensless civilians—were usually the most common targets of both conquerors and pre socialist revolutionaries effectively rendering any actual fights between warriors as almost nonexistent in preindustrial warfare.

If that cowardly and weak shit isn’t dishonourable enough, just look at the shit going on after the introduction of gunpowder.

Mass casualties among soldiers due to exposure to disease, self inflicted psychological trauma, and tripping related accidents from the napoleonic era to the world wars; reliance on the threat (not the use) of WMDs (of course against defensless civilians because who would approach their opponents up close) to win wars; military leaders somehow getting even weaker and more disconnected from their soldiers as military sophistication improved; the list of things you can make fun of just keep going on.

Vietnam against France was probably the only time where things improved a bit with how easy it was to respect soldiers. It was by this point where stress inoculation as a concept was introduced to military training which meant you had soldiers fighting the way you’d initially imagine against armed and readied opponents instead of picking fights with literal children and adults on the brink of starvation. Does this mean that all wars afterwards suddenly became way more honorablePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2450258
just rustproof it and perform regular maintenance
>implying modifying the flesh to make it less human is a good thing
the inquisition will hear about this

>>2450265
>just rustproof it and perform regular maintenance
shitty machine lover requires someone else to step in and do maintence. Meanwhile the chad human body does maintence on itself automatically
hue hue hue
>the inquisition will hear about this
space marines
custodes
lucifer black
etc etc.
The emperor supports genetic modification, lel.

>>2450272
instruct your cogitator to remove this comment post-haste!

>>2448065
> Going through historical records over what actually happened in most wars (both recent and ancient) is making me frustrated over how insultingly weak, passive aggressive, incompetent, and cowardly the vast majority of people and men in general are. Apparently something like 80%+ of all pre gunpowder age battles revolved entirely around intimidating the opponent and only attacking once the enemy was fleeing and had their backs exposed.
It’s almost like dramatic set piece battles aren’t the point of wars
It’s almost like minimizing casualties and material losses is the first task of basic logistics that even the earliest organized fighting forces had to contend with

It’s almost like tens of thousands of casualties get harder and harder to eat the further back you go
> Mass casualties among soldiers due to exposure to disease, self inflicted psychological trauma, and tripping related accidents from the napoleonic era to the world wars; reliance on the threat (not the use) of WMDs (of course against defensless civilians because who would approach their opponents up close) to win wars; military leaders somehow getting even weaker and more disconnected from their soldiers as military sophistication improved; the list of things you can make fun of just keep going on.
Please use your brain nigha
Of course shit tons of soldiers die of disease, war takes you through many different environments, exposes you to close contact with strangers, open wounds, dead bodies, exhausts physical endurance due to hunger, battle, and marching, and is psychologically traumatizing. And obviously commanders will get “weaker” or less involved in combat as logistics become more complex, the forces they command become larger thus increasing their importance, and the significance of a single individual’s prowess and courage become meaningless compared to the arsenals at hand

>>2448065
>making me frustrated over how insultingly weak, passive aggressive, incompetent, and cowardly the vast majority of people and men in general are
well, yeah, most people dont want to die, and rational outlook of war obviously lead you to try and avoid it or at least survive it

>revolved entirely around intimidating the opponent and only attacking once the enemy was fleeing and had their backs exposed

gross oversimplification to the point of simply being wrong. Ofc most of the casualties happened during rout, its a lot harder to kill someone actively fighting back and surrounded by his fellow soldier in a formation than stabbing a running guy in the back, but that does not mean there wasnt significant fighting and that morale was simply psychological tricks and not also a reflection of the actual fighting progress.

>dishonourable

you sound very spooked for someone interested in war. Sadly common, but very bad if you're actually interested in understanding shit

>anything rooted in battlefield function

but morale is a battlefield function

>effectively rendering any actual fights between warriors as almost nonexistent in preindustrial warfare.

well thats just plain wrong, even if you forget the big battles that were kinda uncommon, there was plenty of low scale local fighting. But you also seem under the impression raiding and looting is always easy against the defenseless, while the whole rise of chivalry and knights in medieval times was all about protecting your shit as much as raiding the shit of others, and they fought quite often in those circumstances. Ofc, as rational people, they would quickly recognize their common interests as a warrior class in these low scale local conflicts, and started ransoming each other rather killing each other, which would eventually give rise to the whole bullshit about honor and chivalry
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For fellow Marxist apostates: what made you turn away from Marxism?

I had abandoned Marx and Lenin when I had realised their theory is based on a massive hypocricy: if you are do not treat members of the upper classes as human beings but as machines programmed to optimise their economic interests, you are a doing le based materialst analysis and are epically owning moralists and idealists, but if you are do not treat members of the lower classes as human beings but as machines programmed to optimise their economic interests, you are an evil fascist, eugenicist, and social darwinist (and sometimes racist). Realising that, I ditched ML and jumped on the technocratic communism team.
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>>2440292
>but Marxists are some of the most hypocritically great man brained dipshits alive

You are fighting against the correct theory by screaming about how the correct theory is "great man influence". You are the hypocrite

>>2440861
Source for the image?

>>2438942
I realized it's all for nothing. Either China takes care of everything, in which case it's irrelevant to me, or western communists have to organize and do something useful, in which case we're doomed, or Marx is wrong, in which case it's irrelevant to me. Beyond that, what, it's a moderately interesting framework for looking at the news and going "ah yeah, class interests innit"

I've developed a lot of respect for basically every institution simply by comparing it with western marxist orgs. A failing local bakery is usually more institutionally functional and more socially worthwhile.
It's oddly started to push me in a more pro-market direction because one of the reasons pretty much any business is more successful than any western marxist org is because the market gets rid of the businesses that aren't. It's an elegant countervailing force to idiot failure. You don't have to remind me of all the edge-cases, failures, monopolies, etc, I've not suddenly become a libertarian - but it's a failure of equal magnitude to ignore all of the successes. Walmart engaging in massive central planning because it works for walmart is as much an argument for market forces as it is for central planning.
And, in any case, this is all very abstract because the people who're supposedly going to bring us central planning are useless shitposters like me. But not me, because frankly I'd rather make a webcomic than waste my life pretending to herd cats ("organizing").

idk I think we should change society insteas of just being correcr in our assessment of it

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>>2438942
>human beings but as machines
True!



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