/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2589035
>>2589124
same poster btw

Cuba is a shithole overrun by CIA ideology but Vietnam has recently made surprising moves of rapprochmont with China. So I'd say Vietnam is socialist.

Is it easier to learn vietnamese or chinese? I'm a latino looking to save money and get the fuck out of latam.

Cuba is one of two genuine socialist economies I the world (the other being the DPRK). Vietnam more or less follows the Chinese model which I would argue is a valid means of socialist construction but is more strictly speaking a form of state capitalism (as Lenin used the term).
>>2589134
>Cuba is a shithole overrun by CIA ideology
Wtf does that mean?
>Vietnam has recently made surprising moves of rapprochmont with China. So I'd say Vietnam is socialist.
Socialism is when you have good relations with China.
>>2589135
With Vietnamese you at least wouldn't need to learn a new writing system.

>>2589048
>God damn it they don't need to "break" with the Dems.
You're right, they only need to do so if they're actually serious about wanting socialism, which they probably aren't.
>You don't understand how the party system actually works in America when you say shit like this.
Winning elections is pointless if it's done by allying with hostile class forces and pursuing a hostile class agenda. The point of an independent working class party is not to immediately start winning elections. That could theoretically happen under the right conditions, but the primary goal is for workers to gain a mass political understanding of themselves as a class with its own goals and needs, and that can't happen if they are shackled to bourgeois parties.
>Stop obsessing over how they endorse candidates that run on the democratic ticket.
They can endorse whoever they please, but I'm correct to say that an organization that endorses bourgeois candidates is not socialist.
>It's a legitimate strategy and it works.
It works to elect Democrats. It doesn't work to elect socialists. Do we need to go over AOC's many many legislative betrayals again?

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>>2589048
>because they are a democratic centralist organization
kek
dem cent was BANNED in DSA till the last convention

i am aware of that ballot tickets are non binding, but when you start having succesful candidates like Mamdani being forced to run as Democrats the Democrats will inevitably siphon them off

thats why the clean break is necessary

>gig workers are petit bourgeois because semantics
AAAAAAAAGGH YAAAAAAAARRRGGHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGG

>>2587616
You are still a goldbug, don't worry. Gold is an intermediary step that's acceptable for everybody

>>2578936
>wishes to change the constitution to an anti-neolib and democratic socialist stance, at odds with the liberal
LOL

>>2588870
The DPRK doesn't have a bourgeois democrat election model.

>>2588839
This is my position on Maduro too, even if he did rig the erections its still better than the alternative who would destroy the revolution.

>>2578974
many such cases (actually all such cases)

>>2555806
china doesnt owe you anything you chvd.

>>2588830
tbh he isn't wrong about religioncucks

>>2588830
Israeli logic. One of them wrote this.

Propagandized aging millenniods thread

Did democratic Kampuchea do anything wrong?

reposting because i fucked up some formatting
>>2586320
not sure about that, might as well just have been killed after the initial separation (families were deliberately separated and worked in different parts of the country, or in mobile brigades all across it), or reunited after a while.
>vidrel for cambodian live tv show reuniting families after the dust settled down

>>2586345
trve which is why i supposed they might be just country children however child soldiers were such a common occurrence at the time

>>2586356
i suppose he meant its survival only, i agree the wording is pretty poor if that's what he wanted to convey
also a somewhat relevant paper:
>The monastic order in Cambodia has been divided into two fraternities (nikaya) since 1855 when King Norodom imported the newly-formed Thommayut (dhamayutika nikaya) from Thailand through the agency of Maha Pan, a Khmer monk belonging to King Mongkut’s spiritual lineage. Norodom subsequently had Wat Botum Vaddey constructed, according to the demarcation ritual (nadisima) of the newly formed order, adjacent to the new royal palace in Phnom Penh as the headquarters of the new order and Maha Pan was subsequently installed as its sanghareach (Meas Yang 1978, 38).
>In Thailand the introduction of the new order had passed off without opposition. This was not the case in Cambodia where frequent skirmishes between Mohanikay and Thommayut monks seem to have occurred with some regularity (Bizot 1976, 9). The influence of the colonial power may have been a factor here since the French regarded the Mohanikay, particularly those belonging to its reformed wing, to exercise a beneficial influence on the populace and towards the protectorate. Thommayut monks, on the other hand, were regarded as potentially intransigent, not least because it was thought that they owed their allegiance to the Thai court (Forest 1980, 143).
>There is little to distinguish the two orders in terms of doctrine yet they disagree over the interpretationPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>A female Khmer Rouge fighter or 'mit naree' [literally "comrade young-woman" iirc] carries a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle in the jungle of western Cambodia, 15th February 1981. (Photo by Alex Bowie/Getty Images)

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: THE KHMER ROUGE AND THE PROBLEM OF WESTERN "HISTORY"

So you've been reading the bourgeois press again. You've consumed the "documentaries," the "memoirs," the "historical consensus." You think you know about Democratic Kampuchea. You have been given a fairy tale of "evil" and "madness," a cartoon for liberal babies to suckle on. Let us scrape the imperialist glaze from your eyes and examine the material reality.

What was Democratic Kampuchea?
It was the ultimate expression of Year Zero. Not as a slur, but as a material necessity. For centuries, the Khmer people were bled white by feudal monarchs, then by French colonizers who turned their country into a plantation, then by American bombers who turned it into a crater. The very social fabric was saturated with feudalism, colonialism, and comprador capitalism. You cannot perform surgery with a butter knife. To build socialism, the old society must be smashed. Totally. Irrevocably. The city, a site of parasitic profiteering and colonial decadence, had to be dissolved. The peasantry, the only uncorrupted revolutionary class, became the base. This was not "madness." This was radical decolonization of the mind and soil.

But the cities were emptied!
Yes. Based. The city is a tumor. Phnom Penh in 1975 was a festering slum of refugees, profiteers, CIA agents, and the lumpen scum of a destroyed society. To keep it running would have meant begging the imperialists for food, becoming a neocolonial puppet state like the ones you defend when you cry about "Vietnam." The urban population was relocated to the countryside to participate in the great project of agrarian transformation. Were there logistical failures? Possibly. But consider the context: a country bombed back to the stone age, with zero infrastructure, facing immediate famine and imperialist blockade. The alternative was to let the revolution die in a starving city. Revolution is not a dinner party.

But the executions! The Tuol Sleng!
S-21 was a security apparatus. Do you think revolution is a game? Do you think the CIA, the KGB, the Vietnamese revisionists, and the feudal remnants were just going to allow the world's most radical experiment to proceed? The revolution was besieged from day one. Internal enemies, saboteurs, and agents provocateurs were a material fact. Was every accusation correct? In the fog of revolutionary defense, perhaps not. But to focus on the security measures Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2588832
Who are you talking to?

>>2587137
true but yugoslavia collapsed and now i live in a shithole

>>2586948
Worker co-operatives are a reactionary step backwards. They just have far too much managerial overhead and so requiring massive financialization in order to work. This is technically possible to solve with effective central banking but it is inefficient. In general, central planning is the way to go.

>>2587137
>>2586993
>>2586972
Fidel was by far the #1 communist aura farmer but Tito was definitely stiff competition.

>>2587139
tbf that wasnt titos fault

Ethnic nationalism should have been mercilessly crushed in Yugoslavia. Any identity besides Yugoslav should have been viciously repressed.

Tito's softness on nationalism is a direct cause of the 1990s chimpouts. Life under him was excellent but he was extremely short sighted.

Veysi Aktaş: The Turkish left continues with the same old routine, not renewing itself
Leader Apo's message was read at the International Peace and Democratic Society Conference organized in Istanbul by the Peoples' Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party).

The letter was read by Veysi Aktaş, who was released after spending 30 years in prison, the last 10 of which were in İmralı.

Speaking to Bianet, Aktaş responded to criticisms of the letter. He stated that the common problem stemming from the reaction from the government, as well as the left and socialists, is bigotry. He said, "Bigotry isn't just experienced on the right; it's also experienced on the left. This is one of the most fundamental problems facing the Turkish left. For this reason, a 'breakthrough' is impossible. Socialization is impossible, and those ideological molds can't be broken and established on a political basis."

'SOCIALISTS HAVE NO REASON TO SAY'

Aktaş, reminding that the letter draws attention to the crises experienced by the left not only in Turkey but also globally, stated the following: "There's no end to socialists' words. 'We've told the world what we had to say in the name of socialism, and that's it.' A socialist's words are endless. It's impossible for a socialist to experience political deadlock. Because they are based on society, they're based on truth. These assessments are an acceptance of the end or bankruptcy. The Turkish left, too, continues with this mentality, following the same rote, failing to renew itself. In fact, they're essentially holding onto a set of dogmas. They think that if they abandon these dogmas, they'll be swept away, they'll lose everything. That's why they cling to those dogmas so tightly. And they don't analyze them, they don't criticize them, they don't approach them with a free mind. The same rote is repeated over and over again.

WHY DON'T THE TURKS HAVE A HISTORY OF THE OPPRESSED?

Criticizing the Turkish left's understanding of history and calling for a self-critical approach, Aktaş said: “If they want to interpret the leadership correctly, they need to improve themselves in historical sociology. They need to read history correctly. They are strangers to their own history. Even within their own history, a 'history of the oppressed' hasn't yet been uncovered. Why don't the Turks have a history of the oppressed? They are constantly being imposed upon a hiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2587861
damn based anarchist

>>2587885
God the seething and the 'nooo why aren't you doing what I want you to do?!?' is off the charts here. Its depressing how far fallen the anarchist space has.
Fdpd

I will say, if anarchists were as willing to cooperate with le stalinists in the Spanish civil war as they were in Rojava, Franco would be living in a prison in Morroco.

https://www.autistici.org/tridnivalka/focus-on-rojava/
>Why a focus on Rojava in 2024? Both because of random discussions, but also because the most widespread form of military-revolutionary mythology about Rojava has reappeared as an ideological support for an “anarchist” commitment to the war in Ukraine, going as far as to valorize the career paths of people who have gone from one war to another. On this occasion, a military commitment in Rojava is “naturally” presented as an authoritative justification for joining the Ukrainian troops “in any case”, the case being understood as a leftist or “anarchist” cause.
[…]
>The struggle in Chiapas since the 90s was– and to some extent remains – a banner for this matrix, although this does not coincide with its complex and contradictory reality, a serious analysis of which would take up too much space here. Anyway, a superficial and left-wing vision of Chiapas is often provided by the zealots of “Revolutionary Rojava” in support of their theses, notably on these issues: autonomy, territory, civil society, democracy without a State, participative governance, armed struggle, gender. All these elements need to be critically examined, but the very nature of the ideological matrix is to make them unchallengeable, in a fearsome machine that has seen considerable expansion about Rojava. Instead of talking about the fate of the insurrectional struggle of 2011 and beyond, instead of seeing the Kurdish national movement as antagonistic to that struggle, we are being fooled with the people, militarism-feminism, collaborative economy and the glorification of “civil society”, as if the latter were not the space par excellence of class collaboration, the other face of the State, its guarantor and pillar.

>>2588726
That’s hella dangerous.

>>2588835
???

Just leaving this here to prove medical racism is real and we need to affirm the lives experiences of Black and neurodivergent folx.

>>2589193
>died by accidental choking while in the hospital
>dead from adverse reaction to medication after suffering from high blood pressure and kidney disease
>died from cardiac arrest after suffering from diabetes, multiple strikes, and high blood pressure
>died from kidney disease after suffering from diabetes and multiple strokes
Yikes

You can't talk about anything here unless it's shitty boring xitter leftist consensus.

I think her view is insane but amusing and worth discussing. Mods here are literal dogshit in human form.

May suicidal ideation haunt the rest of your hopefully short lives mods.

>>2586879
gemmy
>>2586846
thanks

>>2586846
>that music makes it a nice little loop
The beat is from "Speaking In Tungs" by CamRon, but the beat samples "Shohmyoh" off the Akira soundtrack, which is a song with Buddhist chanting by Geinoh Yamashirogumi

>>2587208
I think it works really well and is quite hypnotic

>>2578251
damn thats good man

>>2578267
>>2588670
Thank you anons

>>2588582
Houthis are radical shiites islamist populists, aligned with Iran, the Official government are a coalition of anti-houthi yemenite, supported by the Saudis. The STC are separatists who want an independant South Yemen, they were aligned with the Government from 2019 until very recently.

Honestly none of the side are deserving of support, they're all a bunch of opportunists warlords. but their ideology is much more defined then in Libya.

>>2588585
Is there a sudanese communist party? How are they coping?

>>2588591
sudan is a different country

>>2588591
>Is there a sudanese communist party?
No. None of these conflicts have anything to do with communism.

>>2588714
There is a sudanese communist party and they support the Army in the sudanese civil war (I don't think they've taken a side in the Yemeni civil war)