/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

people aren't concerned enough that the basic principle of freedom of association is being (has been?) all-but abolished in pursuit of anti-transhumanist derangement.

>>2599639
elon musk and donald trump are both extremely powerful billionaires, yet are still low status.
>>2599641
an issue with migrant narratives is that we are not allowed to give them economic rationality and so they become contingent victims of circumstance. its like how every benefit scrounger has a sob story to justify why they want free money - free money is an end in itself; its self-justifying (e.g. between option A and B where A grants you free money and B grants nothing, A is not simply rational, but entirely ethical). the right obscure material reality by calling migrants an "army", rather than "scabs" or something to this effect. so i appreciate that you see the "mutual benefit" of cheap labour, rather than decrying its inherent injustice. a contradiction also exists on the right, where migrants are thieving bastards, but they also want to deny them legally gaining employment. its an outrage that they come here on boats, yet they dont want legal routes. its an outrage that they illegally work, yet we force them to do so. i dont know why economic migration is so frowned upon when its literally the best-case scenario. maybe some bums get wiped and abdul sends money home - a mutual gain, as you say. the issue i find on the left and the right is the denial of the minority subject; the rational agency of the other.

>>2599813
wasnt that freedom abolished in the 60s when businesses were no longer legally able to racially discriminate against customers?

>>2599819
Non sequitur

bleak bleak bleak bleak bleak bleak bleak

>>2599819
constrained but not abolished. it is, however, abolished when you can't set up a non-commercial group without the state interfering with who can be a member.

>>2599903
Daily reminder that leftybritpol believe Zionists are worth marching with, over… the CPGB, CPGB-ML, The Workers Party and most major Socialist orgs in the country.
>>2599905
Shut the fuck up you little thin skinned bitch. It's a fucking image board what the fuck is wrong with you losers.

>>2599908
No, seriously, mods, ban this one right here! Hes been perpetrating this idpol cringe relentlessly for a long time.

Can trans comrades and terf comrades just live together? Like if you're trans some rando out there raging about it from a feminist/classical left perspective isn't gonna harm you , they're not fucking right wing politicians going around putting trans people into prison. And for TERFs i think rather than anger at transpeople themselves i think you guys are more angry at hyperonline people that never miss a chance to do kkkulture wars

>>2599908
the socialist orgs in britain would rather march with the british supreme court and government against transhumanists than shut the fuck up on the issue and risk appealing to people under the age of 40.
and you would too, given you're citing data from "more in common", a starmerite think-tank who exist solely to argue that labour should reject "progressive activists" (e.g. young left wing people and - yes - milquetoast social liberals) and should instead focus on trying to win over hard-done-by working class patriotic landlords who curently vote reform but who'll definitely go labour if labour just announce total transhumanist death, comprehensive remigration for everyone outside Haplogroup R1b, and war with russia.

even then it slips out that they're the only group in britain that isn't entirely classcucked. forget a strike, the rest of britain draw the line at an anonymous employee petition!

>>2599949
in britain the odd situation has arisen that reform UK, the far-right party, accidentally announced a more trans-friendly policy than the governing (very much nominally)-socdem labour government. you can't make a clean distinction between TERFism and the people actually implementing policy. as our china-flagging friend will tell you, the reason that Britain is TERF island is because of our very advanced feminist movement
(consisting of upper-middle class newspaper columnists primarily seething that in 2012 serfs on twitter talked back to them after they joked about ladyboys in a column, engaged in feminist activism on such important issues as "can a transwoman join a woman's birdwatching group?" and "it's finally time for the upper-class men's garrick club to let upper-class women join too")

this is just idpol whining about le cringe zoomers as if previous generations didn't hold responsability for the current state of things

>>2557837
>hey gay nazi poster whats your take on douglas murray? how would you classify him as a right wing gay in politics?
Hey sorry, I missed this but, yeah I think so. Neocon. I'd describe him as a neocon.

He wants to be Christopher Hitchens except Hitchens wasn't a Zionist (he never went that far). He very clearly is trying to model himself after Hitchens. He's a particularly English type of right-wing gay. What he has working for him is a very well patented "style." I can't explain it but his method works to lull people into a certain mindset, and he has certain tricks, some of which he directly lifted off of Hitchens. It's in the intonation of the voice and certain tropes, like he went to Israel to pose for photos somewhere in Gaza, but he wasn't in any real danger. Then he'd criticize people who don't like Israel by saying that ~he actually went there~ and he's old-fashioned like that, as if that gives him some special insight (this is bullshit for several reasons I can go into).

He will name-drop people which makes his audience feel sophisticated. When talking about antisemitism he will quote Vasily Grossman (who served in the Red Army during World War II btw), and Grossman did have real insights on it. Grossman was not wrong about what he said. But Murray will redirect this towards support for Israel and I don't know what Grossman would think about that. At any rate I think the average Douglas Murray fan is mroe affluent. The opera-house crowd I think. There's a Sam Kriss article about him that's pretty good:
https://samkriss.substack.com/p/douglas-murray-gruesome-toady

But I would say this brand of neoconservative can be attractive to gay men because it's articulated within this framework of liberalism and the European Enlightenment which has been (they argue) beneficial for you.

>>2594853
Thanks for the response.
I’d never made the link that Murray is trying to copy Hitchens, but it makes perfect sense. He has the plummy public school accent so beloved by people. Even Brits fall for it all the time (see Jacob Rees-Moggs, a fake aristocrat, but wear a monocle and top hat and a copy of the FT, and some people go gaga, and it’s not even people you expect)

hitchens anti zionism is very interesting because on the one hand it's quite logical (Zionists get mocked all the time for mocking religion, but suddenly believe the Bible when it comes to land claims), but doesn't really seem to fit in with the rest of the New Atheists, or neocons who were rabid supporters of the Israel project? I wonder if his stance on Israel would have changed over time had he lived?
Would he increasingly see Tehran as an overarching threat? The increasingly role of religion in the Palestinian resistance? The rise of isis in the Syrian war?

>>2593507
>if you try to question right wingers about their beliefs, and i mean, really interrogate them, don't give them any breathing room, you'll realize that most of the are really just nihilists.
trvke

>>2557849
You're right with this, the left has always been terrible at extending it's reach. They just keep getting into splinters.

>>2558139
Baby boilers in a nutshell, much of the further left resemble a cult, while right wingers give the image of a "unifying" team, so even barely right wing people start getting into it.

>>2597249
On the one hand it's not like mercenaries are above rape, but on the other this story coming from AP makes me deeply skeptical.

>>2598527
unc just destroyed the youth on god, frfr

>>2599606
Malema is a moron.

U r a vegan lib, OP, and u deserve gulag

>>2598483
Nature sucks ass big time. Only humans can make this place better. Its just endless cycles of shitting out babies and getting eaten by predators or even worse by parasites.

>>2599584
where can i see the kitty?

>suffering is directly caused by humans
This is interesting. Can you tell me more?

- Personal choice does not exist at scale
- Thus positing a scenerio based on a uninimous personal choice doesn't work
- Existing material conditions have led to the choices that people have made on average
- Therefor people couldn't have made the choice you're purposing because that was not the materially optimal choice to make.

>>2599690
idk like one of the reasons that I left 4chan years ago was that it got far too spooked and cowardly. So much hiding behind race and religion bullshit. That's the problem with fascists, they always bow down to spooks. Like even the Satanists and nihilists are obsessed with masculinity. None of that shit matters. I would respect a tyrant which openly admitted he hated the working class.

There's a reason that'll never be possible tho.

>>2599693
I would almost describe myself as a Fabian social-fascist except that I find them far more cowardly than the right-wing of capital. https://youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA

>>2599701
You have a point. I guess I just find "the noble lie" more grating than the oppression itself.

>>2566430
No one can convince me electoral democracy isn't just a release valve for revolutionary pressure.

>>2566388
india having centuries of humiliation is sad, hopefully one day it can revive. but it's probably too late.

>>2566850
Because the Naxalite program of land redistribution is not relevant anymore. This is not the 1700s, who tf needs ten acres of land? What people need now is a good healthcare, good education (a university degree if possible), and good jobs. These are not things that frankly the Naxalites can provide. These are things however that parliamentary parties like all the CPIs can provide, which is why everyone is flocking to parliamentaryism and the Kerala model.

>>2566850
Because Naxalites misjudged the situation from the beginning.

>>2566850
It didn't help that the CPI didn't work with them at all and supported the government in its repressive efforts. India is a clear example of a peripheral country which actually has an influential labour aristocracy.

>>2596710
Klauskino

Legendary Italian goalkeeper Gigi Buffon appeared at a far-right rally and has praised Meloni.
@Moffin', what the fuck

>>2597079
Happy to see 41% of frenchmen want to see Stalin return.

>>2599486
I've read a little bit of Bin Laden and the theory of sucking in the U.S. seemed like a retroactive justification after the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. There's no evidence (that I've seen?) that suggests he had that plan before 9/11. Before then the strategy seemed more that the U.S. was a decadent paper tiger, and he said as much in the 1990s iirc. The U.S. turned tail in Somalia in 1993 and also withdrew troops from Lebanon in the 80s after proto-Hezbollah drove a truck bomb into a Marine barracks.

People tend to make the mistake of thinking the outcomes of wars are the result of the original intentions when often that is not the case. Rather people can frequently go into them with a mindset shaped by historical analogies and prior examples and then the new chaotic events blow their assumptions up so they revise their strategy and try to smooth over the contradictions by making up some story.

>>2599516
I suppose that could make it be considered an adventurist action if the intention originally was to show other groups and countries not to worry about US intervention even if they were targeted directly. But I guess it depends on how adventurism is being defined.
>>2599604
But I didn't say that though.

>>2599516
Yeah, there were letters from AQ leadership that showed that they were genuinely caught with their pants down when Amerikkka invaded Afghanistan. AQ genuinely believed that cuz American society is so decadent they'd just keel over and die.

It's kinda ironic for Bin Laden to believe this tbh. Because the Arab Caliphates at least in the latter stages was precisely like America today, where there were decadent higher class and a largely demoralized underclass, but the Abbasid was able to crush everyone left and right because they relied on a professional military class separate from the civilians much like the US today

>>2599205
We need to understand that before Oct 7 happened Israel was on the verge of normalization of Saudi Arabia who planned to make a trade route with Israel and circumventing Gaza. This is why they were constantly making noises even before Oct 7, to draw attention back and get Hamas a seat in the table of the regional power dealing.
And you know what, they won this shit. Palestine is now an inseparable fact from Middle Eastern geopolitical reality. And even if Iran and Hezbollah collapses tomorrow Hamas can now just ask for patronage from Turkey because now every Muslim president can get immense prestige and piety points just from donating to Hamas. While conversely Israeli donors now cant afford to donate to the Zionists without getting shame in their face. This is a complete strategic win for Hamas

Cockshott has been posting videos less and less frequently lately. Someone should block his twitter account, he wastes too much time bickering with Zionists there.

>>2597575
he's said he's run out of ideas for videos

>>2597576
Here's a good idea: a series of videos on Das Kapital. Where the main ideas of each chapter are summarised and presented in a specifically cybernetic framework (that is, ignoring all the cultural and historic references etc, and going straight into the vectors and matrices).

>>2597577
not a bad idea. email it to him

So, is there anything happening in the cybercom sphere? Any news?