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 No.1040778[Reply]

There has been nothing like it since. Ever since Bernie lost for the final time there are no big gatherings and events where socialists are interacting with the general public. And no, I'm not calling Bernie a socialist, but we all know socialists latched onto the human base of his movement. Ever since the BLM protests ended, there have been no mass left wing demonstrations

It feels like we're stuck in limbo. Nothing is happening. It feels like nothing ever will happen. All I am hoping for is more protests. We should be having climate change protests right now

Marxism-Leninism is great but where is the Marxist-Leninist vanguard party of the US and what the fuck are they doing? I mostly saw anarchists out in the street. I know you all hate it when this is said. We need mutual aid networks to help maintain the lives of people who want to quit, drop out, and start protesting and making change 24/7

Anyone else have thoughts?
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 No.1044581

>>1043916
That's not actually the point you were making, maybe it was in your head but you never typed it. This is what you said:
>This is such a retarded post it has to be bait

Where is that located in this post? It's not. My post was in response to an even stupider post which said "all drug users should be gulaged" so it appeared that you're defending them. Write your words down. All you did now was say "oh yeah that's what I meant" bitch you never even typed it lmao.

 No.1044582

>>1044464
>liberal co-option happened at the tail end of it
if this was true then I don't think it would have all but ended after the liberal goals of getting the author of the 1994 crime bill into office with his prosecutor vp. Probably won't even revive it for the midterms, but lets see what happens in akron.

 No.1044588

>>1043920
>IMO it is reasonable as a communist to be suspicious of a hitman or a sex trafficker as a baseline, but a lot of drug dealers and petty thieves or scrappers for example, do so out of desperation, and can be honest and cooperative and trustworthy individuals if allowed better opportunities for stable employment and decent quality of life in the new society.
This. Hitmen and sex traffickers are probably literal psychopaths (diagnosable with ASPD) or else they'd be incapable of actually carrying out the work without crying. This is MUCH different from a drug user or sex worker who are doing so out of literal desperation and often want to stop but can't

 No.1044610

The Discourse Follows the Money.

MLs are more interested in creating an anti-war front, not tailing petty-bourg issues.

 No.1044941

>>1044588
Not how it works wntirely and I encourage you to read up on it. Sex work in particular is generational and often relatives of sex worker are talked into the trade or even rise the rabks to become pimps and traffickers. It’s messed up, but there’s a whole social framework around it



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 No.296564[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

QTDDTOT - Questions that don't need their own thread. The last one died, so here post your questions here.

I'll start, why is a centralized authority important to achieving communism and why is this seen a positive aspect.
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 No.1044548

>>1044491
Policing will still be necessary under socialism, and of course there are many police officers who indeed have good intentions. But this profession attracts many loose cannons who want military-like power and respect without having to go through the necessary training and discipline - with many racists and members of the far-right among them. Under capitalism police are used by the state to defend the private property of big business, just look at how aggressively they respond to peaceful protestors or strikers. Policing will be fundamentally reworked under socialism by being more community-oriented (so cops look after the area they're from since they're more familiar with what kind of people are there and avoid misunderstandings), having proper disciplinary training, and a reduction in militarizing, since not every incident needs a gun or so much equipment.

 No.1044642

>>1044491
all police help maintain private property. this doesn't mean they're personally bad or that they don't mean well. it's the system that sucks

 No.1044872

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/poverty-decline-without-china?country=World+not+including+China~OWID_WRL
Even excluding China, World Poverty has been decreasing over time to a significant degree. Why is socialism needed for this process?

 No.1044912

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What's going on here?

 No.1044914

>>1044872
The share is far more modest without china and the definition for world poverty is useless



 No.1040204[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Did communist countries or any communist country at all limit the ability of their citizens it leave the country?

If they did what is the purpose of doing this in Marxist theory?
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>>1043896
>They very much were. They were so fucking bad, in fact, that even with the whole of Europe at their disposal, having thrice the size of USSR's industry and armed forces, they still lost more troops than USSR did. Fascists fucking suck at economy and war, even in politics they can come to power only through coups. Fascism is a failure

They were run of the mill Euros. Every major European power was just as evil.

 No.1043905

>>1043901
late victorian holocausts hours, who's up

 No.1044844

the ruling class uses mass immigration as a way to drive down wages

 No.1044898

>>1043896
I see what you did there

 No.1044900

>>1043756
Lmao. You didn’t read my post at all and it shows. I find them repugnant and they are my political enemy. They also serve a threat to me directly for who I am. This shouldn’t be hard



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 No.971986[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

It's May 15, 74 years since the Palestinian catastrophe. I think this merits a good old general thread against Zionism. Discuss and post all your content and news related to Israel, zionism, anti-zionism and the zionist lobby here.

Sources and recommended reading –
The Hidden History of Zionism, Ralph Schoenman: https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/index.htm
Zionism in the Age of Dictators, Lenni Brenner: https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/index.htm
51 Documents - Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, Lenni Brenner: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=135501FA35E1760F7737FEF03A55E306
Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, Norman Finkelstein: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=40FFA6387E06D0A95C84FC4AF92D26A1
Israel - The Hijack State, John Rose: https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/hijack/index.htm
Anatomy of the Middle East Conflict, Yevgeny Primakov: https://archive.org/details/anatomymiddleeastconflictprimakov
Zionism - A Form of Racism, Leonid Berenstein: https://archive.org/details/zionismracism
Zionism - Past and present: https://archive.org/details/ZionismPastPresent/
The Dark Side of Zionism, Thomas Baylis: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=B511D0B8A1C212DEF9E4AFDCB7B18159
Zionism - Its role in world politics, Hyman Lumer: https://archive.org/detaiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1044811

>>1044774
>guys who owned the ships
Yeah they need to be killed immediately
>guys who owned the plantations
woh woh woh not so fast

 No.1044813

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>>1044810
We should all speak Latin instead.

 No.1044819

>>1044813
That’s not bad either. Mostly we should speak a fusional language with a male, female and neuter gender that inflects for nouns, verbs and adjectives.

Not only does latin fit the bill, but its phonology is relatively simple and contains phonemes shared across most languages spoken in the world.

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>>1044785
cut out the adhoms
>>1044806
>falsehood
Sources are cited in the picture, and this was used in the publications Nation of Islam, which is a national liberationist organization.
Also
>two oppressed groups
Critique is not oppression, pic related
>>1044811
>plantation owners vs ship owners
>owners
You are the one making the distinction, not me. The ability of the latter to elude the peoples' vengeance is predicated on their ability to move via their ships, which makes them the technically trickier group. These "masters" of "economic flows" are the ones enabling the self-destructive behavior of markets by placing them above jurisdictions and between states. No true state is truly sovereign if they exist.

 No.1044877

>>1044832
>Infographic with a name at the end is actual evidence
Do you think you’re clever? That you’ll redpill us about “the jewish menace” or that “black people have to be deported or liquidated because they’re a threat to jews?”

You have nothing



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 No.1044672[Reply]

Pre-Internet Porn was controlled by the Italian Mafia.

>Robert "DiB" DiBernardo (May 31, 1937 in Hewlett, New York – June 5, 1986) was a member of the Gambino crime family and one of John Gotti's subordinates, who was reputed to control much of the commercial pornography in the US. During the 1984 US presidential election, publicity about DiBernardo having rented business premises from the husband of Geraldine Ferraro embroiled her in damaging media innuendo about organized crime


>By some accounts, DiBernardo was the major figure behind the US adult industry. In any event, he was a relatively capable businessman who did not have any personal reputation for involvement in violence, but his Mafia links deterred potential competitors and warded off other criminals. He became immensely influential in the US pornography business, and an associate of Reuben Sturman. Whether DiBernardo's relationship with Sturman and others was based on outright extortion or mutual advantage was never established. DiBernardo was seen as a phenomenal money maker, secretive, and a lone operator (unlike most Mafia members of his status, he did not retain a 'crew' to back him up). All of these traits made him vulnerable to others within Gotti's organization


>DiBernardo, who had been the target of a federal investigation into child pornography, was awaiting sentencing when he was murdered by Sammy Gravano. The body was never found. According to some accounts, Angelo Ruggiero engineered an order from Gotti to kill DiBernardo because he had once told Ruggiero that he was not smart enough to be underboss
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 No.1044738

>>1044672
Pornographers regardless of background should be killed by the NKVD

 No.1044748

>>1044738
Dumb take. Amnesty should be given for the least exploitative cases.

 No.1044843

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>>1044732
>CIA controls Porn Industry
It reminds me of Kizuoibito Aka Wounded Man.

>The message that Ibaraki receives tells him that GPX is part of the US Central Intelligence Agency, and the leader of GPX controls the CIA as well. Not only that, but GPX doesn’t just stand for Gold Pornographic X-Rated films, but also for Great Person X. The message tells him that the current leader of GPX/CIA is not the same person who was in charge when he became the Wounded Man, so no further targets remain for his campaign of revenge, besides the CIA itself. And then the message tells him that he is exactly the type of Great Person they look for, and he has been chosen to be the next leader of the whole organization

 No.1044846

>>1044732
literally who are you quoting

 No.1044871

>>1044672
there's a lot of money in various illicit businesses
some estimates are like 30% of GDP
important in terms of use value? negligible, and often highly destructive to society and human life, and often just literally unproductive labor/theft/extortion

one thread i have no clue about that goes in the opposite direction is human trafficking, there's a good amount of literally slavery involved in sweat shop labor. Idk the stats on this, so i'd look there to round out any knowledge of the impact of illicit business to the world economy as a whole. I'd guess it still pales in comparison to legal almost-slavery of financially imperialized and underdeveloped countries. If anything criminal enterprise as a whole should be seen as parasitic and basically a drain on all of us, since for the most part it's just skimming money off of legal and normal production, or selling drugs.



 No.1044476[Reply]

I don't know where else to post this
Last night I read this article from The New Yorker profiling Orban and drawing lines between him and his court to the american CPAC and other conservative cadres, claming that Orban's illiberal methods will come to american is a wee bit alarmist but TNY's coverage of the ebbs and flows of american conservatism is always fascinating.
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 No.1044735

Nice

 No.1044760

>>1044480
>>1044614
OOOOOOOOO IM GENERALIZING OOOOOO EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO IN A GENERAAAAL IS THAT A NEW THREAD? MODS MODS MODS PUT IT IN A GENERAL PLEASE

 No.1044770

>>1044760
shalom

 No.1044773

>>1044760
I would take this moment to cyberbully your bpd ass, but I know you just want attention

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 No.984753[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

We have all seen absurd caricatures, outright lies, uncited rumors, and subtle slanders in popular media depicting communists and communist figures. Post the most ridiculous shit you've seen. Even in "comedies" or other such genres that reinforce their propaganda through the pretense of "merely" being a joke or satire.
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 No.1044241

>>984759
>>1028488
There's a grand total of two English language films about the Great Patriotic War and one of them is from the German perspective (Cross of Iron). Says it all really.

 No.1044288

Are there any instances of socialist countries actually being evil?
Some of this propaganda does sound kinda cool it would be a shame if it was all just porky lies.

 No.1044319

>>984803
I joked about the trucker protests being the canadian bangbus tour before…But this is the real canadian bangbus tour

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 No.1044857




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 No.1039138[Reply]

When i see people on /Pol/ 4chan discuss psychology most of them seem to be attracted to his ideas and have respect for him.

Why him?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung
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 No.1044731

>>1039138
Jung should have been killed by the NKVD, let's see where his mythology got him with his brains splattered against the wall.

 No.1044791

>>1044532
And freud is garbage, you need to be physically reeducated

 No.1044808

>>1044523
>>1040764
>>1044719
Correct.

The rest of you have imageboard brains.

 No.1044812

>>1044808
What is imageboard brain

 No.1044825

>>1044791
>>1044808
stop pseudposting



 No.1025311[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Apparently, Engels was of the opinion that all matter, all movement of matter, and so on, will never be lost, and it will go on for forever. He speaks about this extensively in his Dialectics of Nature book, which is, obviously, fucking outdated on the science front, not due to his error.

But here's the thing. Even though his book is outdated as fuck on the scientific front (not because of his errors), Engels' theory about the (almost eternal) continuation of matter as such might be under jeopardy.

For Engels "matter" as such is a constant that even though takes "organic" presence, and even though it eventually dies, by no means will it "eternally fade away." He says, again and again, that even though life on Earth may cease to exist, matter as such may never cease to exist, and since matter made "life" as such appear on our Earth, we must conclude that it is in the nature of matter as such to produce life.

Modern physics is about to find out if Engels was right or not. We are about to find out whether photons as such eventually die or not.

It is interesting to talk about Engels' book. Maybe he was right about matter never ever dying or alternatively, he was wrong, and matter does die, and eventually everything goes to shit on a physical level.
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 No.1027699

>>1027636
Before we didn't know how to unify quantum physics and general relativity.
Now we don't know what dark energy is.

It feels like driving forward while standing still.

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 No.1043720

>>1027636
QT isn't complete still though

 No.1043743

>>1025425
Exactly the book I thought about

 No.1044822

>>1043720
How to solve the measurement problem?



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 No.1033464[Reply]

Has anyone grown skeptical that vanguardism can work in the first world? It was perfect for the Bolsheviks because the tsar has outlawed the death penalty and preferred exile (which meant they could escape). However in first world countries that have prisons where they can house people indefinitely and an extremely tight surveillance state, it is increadibly easy for them to destroy any organization that engages in illegal actively by jailing all their leaders, and if your org relies on a small group of committed revolutionaries, that means it will die.
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 No.1043944

>>1043834
>Bakunin himself believed in invisible dictatorship
Was the Khmer Rouge actually existing Bakuninism?

 No.1043945

>>1033464
Of course it can't work. Anyone who thinks it could is clowning. The only possible use of vanguardism in the west is hoping that the state will collapse all at once due to climate change and they can fill the gap (it won't, the collapse is happening slowly)

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 No.1044779

>>1033574
>Thoughts?
100% true

People who are just learning about communism often come across the idea of vangaurdism, and just as soon they run across trotskyite claims of substitutionism, but it misses the real relationship (and makeup) of the vanguard. The vanguard is derived from the masses, the section that's the most advanced- i.e. the most understanding of the need for revolutionary action. The broad masses, as they engage in class struggle, will be drawn into theoretical dead ends and crises, and it's the place of the vanguard to advance the understanding of the broad masses by carrying out and promoting revolutionary tactics and making the nature of the class struggle clear. This is just a natural relationship between the front and the back of a very very large and broad class. One part will come to an understanding of the revolutionary necessities faster, and it's very important that we help these people in forming organizations, and understanding their position leading the class struggle forward.

The vanguard is not just people who read theory and call themselves the vanguard, and the vanguard can't win the class war alone as a militant organization while leaving behind the broad masses. These are basically the main two misconceptions against the idea of a vanguard.

 No.1044790

>>1033464
You wouldn’t know what a vanguard is if it bent you over the table



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