>>103029>The very issue there is that you use the tendency for profit to fall as a doomsday clock. It's something inherent in capitalism itself yes but it's not the decisive character that kills it.
No, capitalism could collapse or revolution occur before it even approaches zero. However, it is still something which is built into the system, and makes it entirely incapable of eternally perpetuating itself. It cannot exist forever, the question is what we get when it falls. >The reality and the truth is, capitalism inherently forces itself to become socialistic, the class that's decisive on all this is the existence of a working class, a proletariat. The system rebels against itself. Socialism represents nothing but the inherent reality of the nature of capitalism, it cannot avoid it.. perhaps resist it but not stop it.
Capitalism certainly centralizes and concentrates production, and thus further socializes it, but this is not the same as capitalism obtaining some kind of socialist "character" which dominates it and makes it non-capitalist. >About the Soviet Union falling apart, what does that say about Socialism and Capitalism? What does that say about China compared to the Soviet Union?
We were talking about the USSR, or more particularly Lenin, so what I stated was relavent to such. I would say it simply shows that the USSR was not aggressive or voracious as it should have been. >Talking about Socialism as something we can just establish or get out of is as nonsensical as the counter revolutions in the 19th century trying to maintain their despotic aristocracy. You also speak of the Soviet Union as a revolutionary state in the trotskyist sense which is nonsense. The Soviet Union was a workers state but not a Trotskyist state that was meant to protect the revolution and spread it out to other countries. We saw how unsuccessful that was historically.
I'm not talking about the state in a Trotskyist sense at all, and the fact that you think this makes me think your understanding of Trotsky is primarily based on a shallow reading about Trotsky as opposed to any theoretical dispute with him. Both Lenin and Stalin were in support of the idea of the USSR functionary as a revolutionary core from which the revolutPost too long. Click here to view the full text.