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>>2578736
So glad my Fox New grandpa died. This meme was unironically him.

>>2554359
Banger, but why tf is kautsky before social chauvinism?

>>2580240
should have made chudjak into tojo, since the other two 'jaks were 'ssolini and 'itler

>>2573118
interesting, where did lassalle make these points? I see he has a page on marxists.org but i'm not sure where to start

>>2581085
hmmm… good point i will be making an updated version soon



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)

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i was researching freemasonry, when i got to the "lansdowne MS" (1560) which is part of the "old charges" of the order (english masonry only officially beginning with the grand lodge in 1717). what struck me is the lexicon highlighted here:
<First, there is no reference of the word ‘Freemason’ or even ‘Free Mason’, only ‘Free born’.  This might suggest Free Mason was not yet in use in England.
https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202101lansdowne-ms/
this is interesting, since it reminds me of john lilburne's notion of an englishman's "freeborn" rights (1641-9). was liberalism a child of arcane masonry (such that later liberal revolutionaries openly adopted the doctrine)?


>>2524222
>Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
What the fuck. Blumpf is just another liberal.

two interesting games that demonstrate jevons' notion of utility maximisation (1869) is "unfair flips" and "a game about digging a hole", where one must "spend money to make money", as it were. thus, buffing the stats of particular attributes increases aggregate productivity. as jevons says, this relates to the division of labour, since increasing the use of labour to different ends causes wealth in general to increase. smith highlights this also. the collaboration of different products into a higher order commodity is spoken of by menger too, as a mode of increasing value; the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. so to say, marginal utility (e.g. exchange-value) decreases as total utility (e.g. use-value) increases. spending leads to lesser costs. bernie sanders has also discussed this "infrastructural" or public provision (what in lockean terms may refer to "trust", the element of liberty as a social contract), in terms of services like healthcare - it is also conceived of by fuller; "a stitch in time saves nine". we can certainly see the concept of a public, or "civil society" within the liberal idea, then.

jevons further stated his support not just for public services but also co-operative ownership of business by workers, which he saw as a form of self-government. another 19th century liberal, john stuart mill, wrote of his "socialist" ideals in his autobiography (sidenote: adam smith claimed that capitalists destroy society by their class interest and that if there was no need for their mastery, things would be better. smith later inspired early socialist thought, from the "ricardians" to proudhon, in a period from 1816-48, later inspiring engels and marx with an "enlightened" political economy, furthered by ricardo). other liberals like murray rothbard (via locke) and ronald reagan similarly expressed their support for public and co-operative ownership (see: "confiscation and the homestead principle", 1969 and "transcript of speech presented at the white house", august 3, 1987):
(i) https://panarchy.org/rothbard/confiscation.html
(ii) https://www.cesj.org/about-cesj-in-brief/history-accomplishments/pres-reagans-speech-on-project-economic-justice/

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>>2578085
>How many times does Smith Anon have to read this?
He doesn't read he only lies.

>>2578738
lies about what? 🤔

>>2578085
>>2578738
here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
so, the average price is still reflective of the value given in production, the same as in pre-capitalist relations, and in fact, the total average is equal to the total value. so as marx says, total value = total price, which if you measure as exchange-value, comes to the same conclusion: [Ax = By]. hope this helps. 🙂

>>2578738
Smith Anon believes exchange ratios equate to value (SNLT) ratios. Smith Anon missed the announcement in Capital Book I that this is not so and that this point will be developed in Book III of Capital.

>>2578042
<The grouping of the various value portions of a commodity which only replace the value of the capital expended in its production under the head of cost-price expresses, on the one hand, the specific character of capitalist production. The capitalist cost of the commodity is measured by the expenditure of capital, while the actual cost of the commodity is measured by the expenditure of labour. Thus, the capitalist cost-price of the commodity differs in quantity from its value, or its actual cost-price.
Chapter one.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch01.htm

Smith Anon hasn't read Book III. Not even the first chapter. (By the way I also don't believe he read Book I. He has attention deficit disorder. He just poked around in it, pulled some quotes, and stored them for later use together with some key words. Since then his mind has deteriorated even further and now he just goes through these "conversations" with his NPC graph. Not only does he not remember the broader context of these quotes, he doesn't even remember the context window of the sentences right before and after. Actually, he doesn't even read the quotes he copy-pastes. He sees a trigger word and seeks to retrieve something with that label. What's next in his intellectual development? I suppose he will streamline the process by not reading whole trigger words and just go by the first letter.)

>>2580366
so… what is the argument? 🤔
what is the difference between exchange-value ratios and value ratios? oh wait, you already said that you dont know. as i have perfectly demonstrated, the ratio between values in exchange (SNLT) is their price. if A = B = £2, this is its amount in SNLT.
>Thus, the capitalist cost-price of the commodity differs in quantity from its value, or its actual cost-price.
yes… what the cost is to the capitalist (c+v) is not the cost of total production, which is its "actual cost-price", or value (c+v+s):
<The value of every commodity produced in the capitalist way is represented in the formula: C = c + v + s.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch01.htm
thus, the value of the total commodity is factored by surplus value, which may equalise a rate of profit by combining capitals, as i have already shown: total price = total value. you can read this here if youre still confused: >>2578826
here's an explanation of the chart:
<Taken together, the commodities are sold at 2 + 7 + 17 = 26 above, and 8 + 18 = 26 below their value, so that the deviations of price from value balance out one another through the uniform distribution of surplus-value, or through addition of the average profit of 22 per 100 units of advanced capital to the respective cost-prices of the commodities I to V.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
total price = total value. hope this helps 🙂



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lol

Thread full.

Need baker.

>>2581106
Looks leniny


>>2581106
he, tsikhanouskaya, and guaido should all get killed.
>>2581070
two statements true:
Ukrainians didn't oppose. If that were the case, residents wouldn't be receiving the soldiers in the areas they are advancing.
the ukrainian army was really destroyed in 2022's early summer/end of spring. the point that:
-Ukraine was supplied with billions in military aid.
-Ran 15 conscription calls, until zelya decided to pass a law that automatically renews itself
it's proof that the uaf was largely decimated logistically and lost its main combat equipment in the first two months.



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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2568474
>"undervalued" currency
no such thing. It's not either-either. Some things are cheaper on one market and pricier on another - difference averages in currency exchanges

>>2568477
>US industrial base declined because they outsourced everything for cheap labor.
They didn't, they got outcompeted by native producers of numerous nations who did the same job cheaper, most notable example of such a nation being China. At the time, Americans already had separated corporation HQs from producers, so the ones being outcompeted were producers and not corporations; instead, corporations had replaced one supplier with another, residing overseas.

With the exception of China, I don't know any other country that had received any kind of technology from those corporations, nobody except for China bought factories in USA and Europe and transported them overseas.

>>2568483
Undervalued currency means a currency that isn't allowed to be traded freely on the market, and upon which a downward pressure is exerted by the govt that issues the currency.

>>2568491
No infinite value engines exist in economics, just like no perpetual engines exist in physics. "Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine. And we know for a fact that's bullshit, Marx went over examples of such machines in the first chapter of Kapital

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>>2563763
>one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD!
In the Manifest Marx and Engels are explicit: Equal liability of all to work. 100% employment is explicit socialist policy. Like your image says, the US and UK freaked out about the ITO charter for a reason.

>>2568676
>"Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine
I'm not sure I follow.



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Why didn‘t the British colonize North America? Why did they leave such vast lands to a bunch of random persecuted people fleeing to America?

>Well they lost the war again them

Okay, but Great Britain didn‘t seem as interested in colonizing America anyways which is the point of my question.
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>>2579698
"Of which the UK was just one bit" > "of which the US was just one bit"

the british metropole probably didnt have a huge material interest in settler-colonialism
even in proto-canada they didnt rely only on british settlers, and even then i think most of the settler-colonialism happened when proto-canada became more autonomous
and like the other replies said, they had to compete with the spanish and french colonial empires

>>2580798
Using slave labor is more profitable then random peasants forming settlements in the wilderness where their is no economic activity.


>>2579139
Economically insignificant colony compared to caribbean or india where they produced highly valuable goods.



 

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2580082
Most of these planes are decades old Soviet and Chinese aircraft. This is definitely the weakest branch of their military (not counting the anti-air forces, which are quite powerful).

So I learned today that apparently, in the DPRK, abortion is both illegal but also state enforced:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_North_Korea

You would think a state would just change its laws so that it could official what it wants but no, that'snot for the backward irrational oriental DPRK.

>>2581005

Looks like I caught it in its tracks.

>>2581014
The AI admits defeats. Its over.



 

Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.

With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).

And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.

They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
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>>>>2575374 (You)
>>I’m a satanic front blud albeit

>>2575226
u guys are harmless thats why the right is better at terrorism lol

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>rightist infighting
>this thread for some reason

>>2575382

i thought it was because we didn't had as many CIAuyghurs grooming us since a young age.

>these kids are radicalised, how do we get them to coolndown?
We shouldn't, deradicalisation means turning somebody into a fucking lib. We need them to become communist, not centrist mopey libs.



 

Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2570365
i've been to cedar and ogden but i don't know a lot; just that cedar is very much centered around its stageplay industry and ogden i've only really passed through going to Eden. Both of them seem a lot more normal than the rest of the state but that might just be from an outside perspective. Cedar seems a little bit like Moab in the sense that there are more laid back and accepting people than elsewhere.

There's also places in the middle of nowhere like nephi or mona that seem to have the same kind of evangelical, dying-town culture as the other midwest states.

>>2570432
Hell if i know lmao, it seems pretty far out of our control unless the church fucks up and disillusions people somehow

>>2570524
So, defeatism?

Joe Hill didn't even want his ashes sent to Utah. Shithole state.

Literally move out and come back as part of Red Army, then send them all to religger labor camps until they change or get worked to death or whatever.



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Why do people use the industrialization and subsequent rise of the standard of living in Russia and China as proof of the success of socialism when neither countries were and are socialist. Socialism being defined as worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned. The success for these two countries is a testament to there size, abundance of resources and people. Germany was afraid of pre-revoultionary Russia and predicted by 1917 they would be no match for its growing might. China before the Second Sino-Japanese war was a lot more industrialized than people usually give it credit for, with most of its industrial base being destroyed by the war. And too give examples of two capitalist countries that being the United States and Germany. Both of them were able to surpass the United Kingdom due there larger access to resources and people. And not to mention the increased development of technology allowing industrializeing nations to catch up faster to their established piers. What allowed these countries to industrialize in the first place is a stable government and there ability to fight off foreign threats, which was not the case for Imperial Russia, Qing China and the ROC.
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>>2577979
You didn't watch the video did you? And China has still has capital accumulation hell the soviets didn't need to do that, at least under stalin. And neither countries were and are 'proletariat' run, they are party run by the top of the party.

>>2580619

China will run into the same troubles as the US with unemployment and overproduction

I cannot see the CCP giving up state power

>>2580759
I've already watched it years ago, and he's wrong on so many points. He completely misrepresents Marx and completely misreads the Paris Commune. Also, I already told you that Marx distinguishes a lower phase and a higher phase. Only the final phase is stateless.

>>2580888
>he's wrong on so many points. He completely misrepresents Marx and completely misreads the Paris Commune.
how so?
>Also, I already told you that Marx distinguishes a lower phase and a higher phase.
Hes says this in the video.
>Only the final phase is stateless.
its not the initial phase is also stateless, only under the dictatorship of the proletariat does the state exist.

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>>2580871
that's in the higher phase of communism. we're a long ways from that. that's when the state withers away because it becomes irrelevant. the lower phase is about the ego mediating the id. china can do that. meanwhile, video is an american realizing capitalist states have no ego, only id.



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