/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2591280
>>Wants the Party to lead the revolution
Bureaucrat.
>>Wants to establish councils/re-establish multiparty elections within the scope of socialism once the revolution abolishes capitalism
It'd be contradictory to have one party leading the working class and to then have multiparty elections, that would defeat the party's purpose. Also political parties are bourgeois.
>>Wants to be worldwide so that the bourgeoisie can't establish itself somewhere else
Yeah but how does that actually happen?
>The ML actions don't seem to have been this excellent too
Which proves that they're both impotent.

I can't speak to historical divisions as I've never found Trotsky that worthwhile as a theorist. I still don't understand what permanent revolution would mean in a practical sense had Trotsky taken power in the 20s, and Stalin ended up siding with the left of the party by the end of the 20s anyway.

As an organiser in Britain, I have frequent contact with Trots. They vary depending on the party.

> Socialist Party
Honestly, these guys are fine. They're a key part of TUSC which is a worthwhile project. They tend to have good links with local councils and, in my limited experience, will engage with MLs in good faith. They're not very radical so this probably helps avoid pointless sectarian bickering, or maybe I've only spoken with the good ones.

> SWP
They're sort of okay, I guess. Some of the work they do, like the People's Assembly and Stop the War, is important and MLs work alongside them. Individually they're often fairly based older ladies who genuinely give a fuck and will work with you in good faith. As an org they're hopelessly committed to entryism and we've all heard the horror stories of how they lie and cheat and subvert collective movements to their organisational goals. The classic symbol of this is how they show up to broad left events with protest signs with their name plastered on it - just so lame and bad faith lol. They get a lot of work done but for little use - quite impressive how busy they are without their work going anywhere meaningful.

>RCP (formally Socialist Appeal)
Yeah, these guys suck really, really bad. Their political project is based on having the most radical and correct opinions, and then educating everyone to agree with these opinions. This is why they only sell newspapers and run internal educationals, because they think revolution entails convincing the working class to agree with their very limited and idealist interpretation of Marxism. They don't need to base their movement on the working class and their experiences because they already have the Correct Opinions TM. Any meaningful organisation within the working class is a waste of time and there's always an excuse to not do it - bureaucratic unions and such like.

Individually, they're almost always objectionable in their interactions with MLs. Just looking to pick a fight and bicker away. Actually, this is how they behaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Trotsky is OK but trotskyists are not.
In my country, trotskyists just repeat the liberal's geopolitical positions. They're all "free ukraini", "down with Maduro!", "Cuba's a dictatorship", and on and on. All they care about is "being right" and selling newspapers. They don't have the slightest interest in taking power.

>>2592540
I agree, he still did damage to the international movement, but it was inevitable imo.

>>2593356
Sure, Deng made retarded choices. But was Mao any better after the Sino-Soviet Split and the "le hegemon" nonsense?

>>2592153
thats why we have different countries, so people can manage themselves.

>>2593317
Nick Fuentes anon is that you?

>>2593322
i dont follow

>>2592223
>thats just playing semantics
no its not, you just got schooled and are too far up your own ass to accept it
do better

>>2593309
>by reading marx…?
by completely missing the point of the question, the fact that marx "didnt distinguish" is simply completely irrelevant, you think your answer is "right" while its just useless pedantry. If you're discussing communism and private and personal property concepts come up, they respectively refer to the lucrative possession of means of production or personal use, hence why I pointed out the actual best simple answer for a simple question

>which is why you sagepost
I sagepost because the question has been answered and the thread is not the place for this kind of useless debate with retards

>>2592117
>and there's pride in defying the Jews and Persians.
but neither saudis nor jolani ever defy israel

Syrian Partisan Girl is receiving her PhD from the University of Western Australia right now

A year after Assad’s fall in Syria, Alawite women face kidnappings and rape

https://apnews.com/article/syria-alawite-women-kidnapped-militants-extremists-rape-a469660022301de378d1fa130467bec0

>>2592705
I don't give THAT much of a shit about what happens there. It's just an interesting kaleidoscope of a place. I'm not glazing the jihadis in Syria either are you crazy? I'm just not like oh mah gerd they're terrorists. That's gay. Puh-leeze. That's just a word people say. You know in terms of ideology they're more similar to Hamas than anybody, and you like them, right? Don't you, anon?

>>2592725
That's what these Bashartards are like, man. It's like some awful fusion of Hitlerism with Bush-era GWOT counter-terror propaganda.

>>2570436
>genz
>mostly elderly
Huh

It looks like the Nepal thread is gone, so I'm posting this here. I hope everyone that said this "gen z" shit wasn't a color revolution is ready to apologize.

US regime change front funded Nepalese youth revolutionaries, leaks reveal

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/12/10/cia-front-funded-nepal-revolutionaries/

>Leaked files reviewed by The Grayzone show the US gov’t covertly funded Nepalese youth groups in the run-up to a violent coup. The “Gen Z” shadow army mobilized as the US sought to neutralize Chinese and Indian influence over Kathmandu – now controlled by a leader chosen by an informal social media poll.

>The US government’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) spent hundreds of thousands of dollars tutoring dozens of Nepalese youth on “strategies and skills in organizing protests and demonstrations” prior to a violent coup which overthrew the government of Nepal in September 2025, leaked documents show.

>The documents reveal a clandestine campaign organized by an NED division known as the International Republican Institute (IRI) that sought to cultivate a Nepalese “network” of young political activists explicitly designed to “become an important force to support US interests.” The leaked documents note that the IRI’s program “connects vibrant youth… and political leaders” and “provides comprehensive trainings on how to launch advocacy campaigns and protests.”

>The demonstrations organized under the NED’s umbrella would relate to “issues selected” by the Institute and its local collaborators, thereby “ensuring the U.S. concerns with Nepal’s democracy [would] be resolved,” an IRI report stated. As The Grayzone reported, a similar effort by the IRI in Bangladesh helped generate a coup in August 2024.

>>2592415
glad to know even that close to the border,China just let the governements be couped for the lulz.
The CIA really is the only secret service allowed to do actual work to further their country interests once again.

>>2592415
Unbelievable how correct we always turn out to be man. Literally NED funded and managed lmfao. All those people screeching mad because we were skeptical and called it a color revolution, where are they now? I will accept their apology in the form of Japanese ritual suicide harakiri >>2592485
>This is China's fault somehow
Lol

Theres always da ACP ya kno

>>2592799
>There's always the bigoted grifting extremely online "communist" splinter org

Kill yourself

>>2592804
No, Id rather have coffee

>>2592795
wherever other marxists are. There's no one size fits all answer

>>2593041
fed wrecker

>>2593089
Are you this much of a monkey? An upgrade to visual processing isn't the same thing as consciousness emerging, you rube.

>>2593146
Nor is it even tangentially related…

>>2593146
It has flow-on effects. Broaden your mind. If there is visual processing that improves, then that means it can be applied to a bunch of jobs and automate things that were once low-paid, dangerous jobs that no one wanted. An example might be a packer in a factory. It's not "sentient" but it would be a robot that can effectively self-manage tasks in a warehouse.

>>2593146
>visual processing isn't the same thing as consciousness emerging
What the fuck are you smoking? Who is claiming that AI is conscious?

>>2592555
i would like a webm.

>>2592607
idc what anyone says, I love this guy.

>>2593039
It is very funny to me that a German comrade (rightfully) complains about anglos. From my perspective you are all anglo-saxons. From my perspective there's very little difference between you and anglos. From your perspective that minute difference is huge.

>>2593005
Go to your local jobcenter NOW and i mean NOW. Register as unemployed and tell them about your housing situation too.

Kind of crazy since the DKP actually particapes in electoral politics somewhat and their members pick up local offices here and there from shared list candidacies.

>>2593058
I'm in Wennigsen. Can you give me the exact nearest address I should go to?

Much appreciated!

>>2593113
Berliner Straße 11
30890 Barsinghausen

They are open Mo, Di, Do, Fr 8 - 12 Uhr if you don't have an appointment.

If you don't get there today make sure go Monday.

>>2592906
you have a six figure salary in tech
fuck you

>>2592953
I’m actually a NEET, so I am doing my part to lower the rate of profit, while spreading Class Consciousness and the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, to the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World through the digital medium of the Internet, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2593033
Doesn't being unemployed actually slow the fall of the rate of profit?

My hot take is that the entire world should be balkanized before it becomes some kind of communist Balkan federation. Balkanization is cool, I want to live next to 400 baronies without barons

>>2593042
Nobody works=No Surplus Value=No Profit=Rate of Profit Falls to Zero, this is why the 4th Industrial Revolution Automating most of the Workforce combined with UBI allowing Income to be divorced from employment is such a key part of the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

Video shows just how retarded lawmakers prohibiting THC are.

Total 420chan refugee death

>>2592839
American WODigger