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>>2258230
Could you make a cleaner version of the white red one i while maintaining the text

Pretty please 🥺

I'll pay with labor vouchers




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I must ask this question, specially here to see the perspective of the left: does racism against white people exist or is it just hatred or does it not exist at all like many leftists say? I need to see the perspective of the left and not just the perspective of the right to get a full picture of this
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>>2263075
It shows how effective the cointelpro campaign against the panther party was by the conversion of the bpp from a group that saw the economic foundations of racism and the centrality of class struggle into their opposite in the common consciousness. People are complaining that you can't equate black racism with white racism, even though that's exactly what the panthers did. They said you don't fight fires with fires, and specifically critiqued "cultural nationalists".

>>2263075
There's different kinds of racism.
There's individual racism which involves slurs, hate crimes, dissociation, stereotypes, essentialism, etc.
Then there's systemic racism where power structures discriminate against certain racial/ethnic groups and lead to a power imbalance. For example redlining (denying loans based on place of residence, which was highly correlated with race) against the American black community leading to a massive wealth disparity (most white Americans' wealth comes from their home).
White people in the west can suffer from the former but do not suffer from the latter.
Keep in mind DEI, affirmative action, whatever you want to call it, is/was an attempt to counteract nepotism.

>>2264806
>People are complaining that you can't equate black racism with white racism, even though that's exactly what the panthers did. They said you don't fight fires with fires, and specifically critiqued "cultural nationalists".
Huh? I don't think the Black Panthers ever equated the kind of institutional racism blacks faced with individual racism a white person could face. If whites faced the same kind of institutional racism, there would be no point to black panthers having to take up defense for black communities. Of course that didn't entail crass individual racism against other groups, or becoming nationalists, but it also didn't mean blinding oneself to the differences that blacks faced versus whites. Solidarity was critical because it attacked the very structure upon which institutional racism itself was built upon and propagated. Cultural nationalism was critiqued because it obfuscated the revolutionary struggle by trying to "resolve" the struggles of blacks by means of "rewriting" or "reorienting" black history, such in a way as to impress colonial and captialist sensibilities, and thus incorporate it into the global capitalist system, rather then fully recognizing the dire straits that black people find themselves in and prescribing revolutionary solutions. And I don't understand the use of Malcolm X for the meme, because he was explicitly clear that the racism blacks faced was much a different monster then that whites faced.

>>2264905
>racism is when bad things happen to black people
audible groan

>>2263075
white doesn't exist independently its a shifting category that really means colorless where colored means underclass for capitalist exploitation. white is more like 'default' in opposition to a nebulous 'other'. its not really a thing to systemically discriminate against the default, by definition. flat oppression against all sure but racism towards whites is like saying indiscriminate discrimination

race itself is really a psuedoscientific justification for capitalism in the first place and was initially conceived post-enlightenment as an ad hoc way to describe the way things are without investigating the historical forces that led us to the current state of things essentially putting the cart before the horse and working backwards from conclusions to explain why europe is the bestest and smartest

>>2263117
>so if black people were the ones in power
yeah but that would be a change in all of history. im not sure it really counts if you were to go to africa and people are mean to you for having white skin its just a sort of racialist prejudice. also historic discrimination on the basis of skin color wouldn't be racism related to the above its not raciism unless its a (psuedo)scientific justification for capitalism. you cant have race without science so you cant have racism pre-enlightenment making it a category specific to capitalism mode

>>2263321
social constructs have real consequences tho, like money

>>2263494
>So for example, anti-white racism in India is technically a thing I guess
idk about that but i agree about imperialism
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Norwegian unions vote for economic boycott of Israel
The Norwegian Confederation of Trade Unions (LO), comprised of 21 affiliations, passed the motion last week at congress with the support of 88 per cent of delegates, as calls continue to grow for an international economic boycott of Israel.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/norwegian-unions-vote-economic-boycott-israel

Thousands march against immigration in Warsaw
Saturday’s event was organised by nationalist leader Robert Bąkiewicz, a former PiS parliamentary candidate and also previously the main organiser of the Independence March that takes place in Warsaw each November.
https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/05/11/thousands-march-against-immigration-in-warsaw/

Fragile ceasefire holds between India, Pakistan as Trump offers more help
A ceasefire between India and Pakistan was holding on Sunday after both sides blamed the other for initial violations, as U.S. President Donald Trump vowed to help the arch-rivals find a solution on the disputed Kashmir region.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fragile-ceasefire-holds-between-india-pakistan-trump-offers-more-help-2025-05-11/

Bangladesh interim government bans former ruling party of Hasina
The Bangladesh Nationalist Party, the country’s other main political party, headed by former prime minister Khaleda Zia, had previously opposed the move to ban the Awami League. A post on the league’s official X account said on Sunday: “People no longer feel safe under Yunus,” denouncing the ban that “stoked division within society, strangled democratic norms, fuelled [an] ongoing pogrom against dissenters, strangled inclusivity [and] all undemocratic steps under [the] pretext of [addressing the] July-August violence and reform scheme.”
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California State University students wage hunger strike against Gaza genocide
On May 5, 25 students from San Francisco State, Sacramento State, Long Beach State, and San Jose State universities in California launched a hunger strike under the banner of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), to oppose mass starvation as part of the genocide in Gaza. “We refuse to be complicit in the Israeli occupation’s siege on Gaza, which has left countless Palestinians suffering from malnourishment, disease, and death,” they declared in a statement.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/05/12/zbwd-m12.html

FEMA cuts emergency training under Trump as hurricane season looms
- The U.S. federal disaster agency FEMA has sharply reduced training for state and local emergency managers ahead of the start of the hurricane season on June 1, according to current and former officials, memos seen by Reuters, and three sources familiar with the situation.
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/fema-cuts-emergency-training-hurricane-season-looms-2025-05-11/

US House tax committee unveils partial tax plan to achieve Trump agenda
The 28-page proposal by the House Ways and Means Committee would increase the child tax credit from $1,000 to $2,500 through 2028 and to $2,000 after, and adds a requirement for recipients to have a Social Security number and reduces some taxes for multinational companies and unincorporated businesses.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-tax-committee-unveils-partial-tax-plan-achieve-trump-agenda-2025-05-10/

Michigan father and green card holder spent nearly two months in ICE detention
An Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent pulled him aside at the Detroit Metro Airport and asked him about a 2018 charge for using marijuana. Unable to recall the specifics of the incident, the officer confiscated Oberoi’s green card and told him to come back with the police report.
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CP of Bangladesh, CPB expresses concern over India-Pakistan military tensions
CPB President Md. Shah Alam and General Secretary Ruhin Hossain Prince said in this statement that the reactionary bourgeois ruling classes of both India and Pakistan are responsible for this horrific rise in religious extremism and terrorism. They create or incite these terrorist incidents for their own narrow political interests. The brutal killings and terrorism in Pahelgam are no exception to this. CPB always upholds its strong position against religious extremism and terrorism.
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Bangladesh-CPB-expresses-concern-over-India-Pakistan-military-tensions/

CPI(M) in the All Party Meeting
In the context of the government reporting that the ‘intended objectives of the Operation are achieved’, Brittas pointed out that given the past experience, it is doubtful, if such military action will be able to target and eliminate terrorist groups. He emphasized that the government should continue pursuing diplomatic actions and build international pressure to bring the terrorists to book. It should see that the situation does not escalate. He urged the government to ensure the protection of the people in the border areas and also to provide all required assistance to those who are affected by the situation. He asked the government to place all the facts before the people and counter the spread of all kinds of misinformation.
https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2025/0511_pd/cpim-all-party-meeting

The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin Chapter 5: Food
If the coming Revolution is to be a Social Revolution, it will be distinguished from all former uprisings not only by its aim, but also by its methods. To attain a new end, new means are required. The three great popular movements which we have seen in France during the last hundred years differ from each other in many ways, but they have one common feature. In each case the people strove to overturn the old regime, and spent their heart’s blood for the cause. Then, after having borne the brunt of the battle, they sank again into obscurPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

Do we actually have a planetary caste system? If you think about the relative value of passports and nationalities, is it possible to use caste analysis to consider the international system?
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No, the question is, with economic division of labor a la Ricardo, with some countries providing services, others providing industrial goods, still others providing raw materials, and finally some providing prostitutes, do we have a racial and ethnic economic system?

>>2263447
The Varna system is correct when you allegorize it, it's a simple fact based on the division of labour and the inclinations and aptitude of individuals considered as a whole

>>2264481
Yes, they all serve whitey so whitey can provide breeding stock for black kings

>>2263447
>>2264481
Yeah this. Pretty much a system of global apartheid, each country with their own different economic social divisions (bourgeoisie, proles, etc).

>>2264515

Any books I should read on this?



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I just feel like I'm going to be like a reincarnation of him. I don't particularly like his theory but I think I am going to be a revolutionary.
My life circumstances, mostly economic, are the ones which are pushing me into being a revolutionary. That and despising all elements of bourgeois society, from it's unending moralism to its "entrepreneurship" (glorification of exploitation!).
This is my life goal. Maybe I will fail. But I will try.
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>le great man theory
You failed at being Lenin in step 1.

>>2263279
Get psychological help, I mean this seriously. This is delusions of grandeur. Don't worry anon, you're super far from being the next Lenin, you can barely read, much less write, and you don't even do any practical communist work.
Marx even says "communist, in the real world means the follower of a definite revolutionary party". You barely have any life experiences.

Prioritize your mental health and get help. Once you're better you can start your journey to become the next Lenin. In your current state, you'll only fail.

>feels and vibes
ok, OPhatass, thoutghts and prayers for your dreams.

>>2263279

DOEET FAGHEET!

>>2263290

Red Salute fellow Ian Wright / Dark Marxism enjoyer.



 

Why is it that in socialist economies the state "dieing out of itself [as the base shaping superstructure]" also takes with it the mode of production?
This is of course not something we see under capitalist neoliberalism where the "dieing out of itself" only strengthens the mode of production.
Even in the two socialist countries where the mode of production hasn't been replaced there have been a growth in private sector employment.
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>>2264537
that's not completely right, in a great extent, I'd say the opposite is closer to the reality. people like Gaidar were sidelined, and eventually they left Russia, because Russia abandoned the neoliberalization of Russia for nato's benefit. and that exploded in 2022.
there are still some, though.

>>2264537
Don't understand how this would be a class conflict then, a group which would become a dominant class forming.
Also not sure how one would actually deal with this if it was the case other than more purity/mandarin tests.

>>2264554
It is class conflict because it's outside capitalist influence infiltrating the party and changing the direction the party was taking. Revisionism is violence coming from the external capitalist world being wielded against the proletarian state by infiltration of the party. It's not about purity or anything like that, it's about maintaining a consistent party program which was decided on by the workers.

>>2264163
Gorbachev is just as true as the image says. A local man ruins everything. Gorby's political decisions were objectively terrible.

>>2264587
nta but if one single dumb fuck could ruin everything then the soviet union had gigantic issues in the way it was organized, china surpassed the soviet union long ago by simply never creating the conditions for a gorbachev to exist



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We must proletarianize the fascist petty-bourgeoisie and accelerate the revolution. We must boycott small businesses and small landlords. The petty-bourgeoisie are far too bought into the system to resist and appealing to them is misguided.
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>>2258092
>>2258106
>If you don't employ other people then you're not small business you're just a worker.
oh wait of course its a retarded burger

>>2258092
>If you don't employ other people then you're not small business you're just a worker.
Interesting definition you have there. I've never seen that.
Aifk there's "self-employed" that do belong to marginalized part of the petty-bourgeois as long as they actually work their own equipment and can set their own prices.
Yes they're exploited, often more exploited than the average employed worker but alone doesn't mean they're proletarian.
Ofc the "setting their own prices" thing can go into a gray area. Some of them have one large corporate client, and do other stuff in the mean time. There it's not as clear cut and they're in-between classes.

>>2257541
>We must proletarianize the fascist petty-bourgeoisie
Comrade Trump is assisting with this posthaste

>>2258107
>>2258279
Ah you're right I'm wrong here. It sounds kind of wonky to say that we must proletarianize the upper strata of small business. It's definitely true that the lower petty-bourgeoisie are not proletariat anyhow. I would argue they're working class just not the prole strata.

doing praxis by firebombing restaurants and mom n pop stores



 

Why does it feel like so much “anti-imperialism” has very little — if anything — to do with anti-imperialism and is simply Muslim identity politics?

For instance, why would anyone compare Pakistan to Palestine, when the former is a sovereign nation that was a close US ally during the Cold War and the latter a stateless nation that’s been fighting a 77+ year guerrilla war against one of the most brutal armies in the world and is now facing an all-out genocide? Pakistan and India are both bourgeois states with close ties to the US that both frequently imprison communists. To compare Pakistan to Palestine, in that western activists have a moral duty to hold mass protests waving Pakistani flags and boycott anything Indian is fucking stupid.

Yeah, I’m not shilling for India. But this shit is theoretically weak af.

Also, why does it seem like in every political conflict involving Muslims (except for China vs the Uyghurs) leftists always insist on taking the “Muslim side”? Look at Ethiopia vs Somalia or Christians vs Muslims in Nigeria, for instance. During the Cold War this would have made perfect sense, because the side fighting against the side backed by the West could be allied with the USSR and utilized to fight western capitalists. Today, not so much.

I’d love to understand the logic here.
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>The purely national character of these questions and solutions is moreover shown by the fact that these theorists believe in all seriousness that chimeras like “the God-Man,” “Man,” etc., have presided over individual epochs of history (Saint Bruno even goes so far as to assert that only “criticism and critics have made history,” [Bruno Bauer, Charakteristik Ludwig Feuerbachs] and when they themselves construct historical systems, they skip over all earlier periods in the greatest haste and pass immediately from “Mongolism” [Max Stirner, Der Einzige und sein Eigenthum] to history “with meaningful content,” that is to say, to the history, of the Hallische and Deutsche Jahrbücher and the dissolution of the Hegelian school into a general squabble. They forget all other nations, all real events, and the theatrum mundi is confined to the Leipzig book fair and the mutual quarrels of “criticism,” [Bruno Bauer] “man,” [Ludwig Feuerbach] and “the unique”. [Max Stirner] If for once these theorists treat really historical subjects, as for instance the eighteenth century, they merely give a history of ideas, separated from the facts and the practical development underlying them;
The Mossad agent needs to fucking read to be more convincing.

Mossad poster BTFOd 2 centuries ago.

The entire body of German philosophical criticism from Strauss to Stirner is confined to criticism of religious conceptions. [The following passage is crossed out in the manuscript:] claiming to be the absolute redeemer of the world from all evil. Religion was continually regarded and treated as the arch-enemy, as the ultimate cause of all relations repugnant to these philosophers. The critics started from real religion and actual theology. What religious consciousness and a religious conception really meant was determined variously as they went along. Their advance consisted in subsuming the allegedly dominant metaphysical, political, juridical, moral and other conceptions under the class of religious or theological conceptions; and similarly in pronouncing political, juridical, moral consciousness as religious or theological, and the political, juridical, moral man – “man” in the last resort – as religious. The dominance of religion was taken for granted. Gradually every dominant relationship was pronounced a religious relationship and transformed into a cult, a cult of law, a cult of the State, etc. On all sides it was only a question of dogmas and belief in dogmas. The world was sanctified to an ever-increasing extent till at last our venerable Saint Max was able to canonise it en bloc and thus dispose of it once for all.

The Old Hegelians had comprehended everything as soon as it was reduced to an Hegelian logical category. The Young Hegelians criticised everything by attributing to it religious conceptions or by pronouncing it a theological matter. The Young Hegelians are in agreement with the Old Hegelians in their belief in the rule of religion, of concepts, of a universal principle in the existing world. Only, the one party attacks this dominion as usurpation, while the other extols it as legitimate.

Since the Young Hegelians consider conceptions, thoughts, ideas, in fact all the products of consciousness, to which they attribute an independent existence, as the real chains of men (just as the Old Hegelians declared them the true bonds of human society) it is evident that the Young Hegelians have to fight only against these illusions of consciousness. Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their presePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2263824
to read too many books is harmful
you are a good example of that

Anti-imperialism is banning chess, don't you see?

>>2263788
I live in Iraq, retard. and if that term means I hate the abstract idea of a nation state then yeah I'm a Marxist lmao



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tldr: Martov argues that, contrary to Lenin's interpretation, Marx and Engels saw the democratic republic—not soviets—as the essential and specific political form through which the proletariat could achieve and exercise its dictatorship, transforming the state into a truly democratic instrument of class rule.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/martov/1921/xx/decomp.htm

>Psychologically the most characteristic thing about the rush of the “extreme leftists” toward “sovietism” is their desire to jump over the historic inertia of the masses. Dominating their logic, however, is the idea that soviets constitute a new, “finally discovered,” political mode. This, they say, is the specific instrument of the class rule of the proletariat, just as the democratic republic is according to them the specific instrument of the rule of the bourgeoisie.


The Communist Manifesto declared: “We have already seen that the first step in the working-class revolution is raising the proletariat to the position of a ruling class, the conquest of democracy.”

In 1852, in Eighteenth Brumaire, Marx wrote:
Every previous revolution has brought the machinery of State to a greater perfection instead of breaking it up.
On the 12th of April 1871, in a letter to Kugelmann, he formulated his viewpoint on the problem of revolution as follows:
If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire, you will see that I declare the next attempt of the French Revolution to be not merely to hand over, from one set to another, the bureaucratic and military machine, as was the case up to now, but to shatter it. That is precisely the preliminary condition of any real people’s revolution on the Continent. It is exactly this that constitutes the attempt of our heroic Parisian comrades.

It is not for any idle reason that Engels wrote in 1891, in his preface to Civil War in France:
<… the State is nothing more than a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy; and at best an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy whose worse sides the proletariat, just like the Commune, will have at the earliest possible moment to lop off, until such time as aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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I watched Fall of Eagles before reading much about Lenin/RSDLP history. I knew it wasn't 200% accurate, it's a drama based on the history, but ah hahaha

>One of the delegates, Posadovsky, asked the Congress whether the party ought to subordinate its future policy to this or that basic democratic principle, as having an absolute value, or “must all democratic principles be subordinated exclusively to the interests of the party?” Plekhanov gave a clear and decisive answer:

>"Every democratic principle must be considered not by itself, abstractly, but in relation to that which may be called the fundamental principle of democracy, namely salus populi suprema lex. Translated into the language of the revolutionist, this means that the success of the revolution is the highest law. […]"

>>2250988
I FUCKING HATE LIBERAL REPUBLICS SO MUCH ITS UNREAL

>>2259933
>>"Every democratic principle must be considered not by itself, abstractly, but in relation to that which may be called the fundamental principle of democracy, namely salus populi suprema lex. Translated into the language of the revolutionist, this means that the success of the revolution is the highest law. […]"
>the success of the revolution is the highest law
I am so hard right now, I can't even describe it. Leaking precum everywhere.
>>2255034
True
>>2250988
AFAIU the soviets failed and a democratic republic was created instead. The soviets were dissolved. Lenin eventually agreed with Martov, no? But from what I gather, Martov was against the state as it developed in the soviet union, and instead wanted something more parliamentary? But on the other hand, he seems to be aware of the need to use state power to squash the counterrevolutionary tendencies. I don't quite get the text or his position.

Martov says
>In accordance with the tradition of Babeuf and Blanqui, Marxism recognizes the State (naturally after its conquest by the proletariat) as the principal lever of this transformation. That is why already in the 60’s the Anarchists and Proudhonians denounced Marx and Engels as “Statists.”
So he admits here that seizure of the state as is, is necessary.
>[Proudhonists and anarchists] did not realize that capitalism has created, for the concentration of the means of production and distribution, so huge an apparatus, that in order to lay hold of these means, the working class would require effective administrative machinery extending over the entire economic domain that was previously ruled by capital. They had no idea of the immenseness and complexity of the transformation that would come as a result of a social revolution. And only because they did not understand all these things was it possible for them to think of the autonomous “commune” – itself based on “autonomous” productive units – as the lever of such a transformation.
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Bump?

>>2251009
John Oliver did a great job as Martov



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I'm sick of the colloquial use of "petty-bourgeois" in relation to some idpol "issue".
Social progressivism isn't bourgeois, college professors are labor aristocrats, the middle class isn't a Marxist term, income doesn't have a causal link to class, social conservatism's only role is that of division of the proletariat, you can't become another class than the one your relationship to the means of production dictate, class interests are not subject to change and they will always be the most important political issue as long as capitalism exists.
I'm willing to die on that hill and anyone who uses identity politics to incorrectly attribute class is no Marxist.
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>>2264460
You are such a retard

>>2264456
not only that but it shows the pointlessness of this imaginary class analysis not based on any particular place or moment. a family that got a house subsidized by the state and isn't allowed to pass it to their children, sell it, rent it, or otherwise speculate with it, will have different interest from the family that owns a house but is paying a mortgage or from the family that owns a house and can do whatever they want with it. they might all be salaried workers but they will have different political positions

>>2261702
I mean some people who talk like this just don't like the modern world and want to RETRN. But it's, like, all that is holy ends up being profaned anyways.

I can be convinced that a lot of the post-war cultural transformation is a lot different than what socialists thought they were fighting for in the 1920s, but often the "anti-idpol" types just chalk it up to some kind of conspiracy rather than trying to work out a material analysis of why this really radical cultural revolution (you might call it) actually did happen. It hasn't affected all parts of the world evenly and there are variations but it can be tracked more or less across the entire modernizing globe.

Really it's just people having more autonomy because of urbanization and improvements in technology (just think about the impact of communications technology) and transportation so people move around a lot more. There has been an increase in purchasing power relative to people living 100 years ago. There are material prerequisites which made big changes in culture possible – which would not have been possible before – and has influenced everything from music to fashion and that is global. And these changes hit modernizing societies very rapidly in historical terms (within a span of a few decades as opposed to centuries where nothing changes) which produces a lot of young people growing up in a very different context from their parents and grandparents, and have no memory or shared experience of what life was like before [insert modern technology here].

Also something can be "bourgeois" and also get appropriated by the working class. Working-class people have at various times taken their styles from high fashion in the upper social strata, working-class girls even more so. It also works the other way with the upper strata trying to LARP as working and class and the spread of American blue jeans as Paris haute couture went into retreat.

marx does actual class analysis in the eighteenth brumaire because he doesn't try to clumsily pigeonhole the different political forces into the stupid, reductionist model from OP's image

>>2261702
>>2264447
If a proletarian revolution happened and the stock and housing market crash, do they have solidarity with the workers or bemoan the devaluation of their reserves? Don't these reserves constitute a stake in bourgeois society that they have to protect? Reason you dimwit.



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