/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Continuing with my abstract non-proposal from the last thread. I was thinking about a meta-procedure that combines an auction with something else.

Quoting this critique from myself:
>The fixed prices were introduced to deal with worries about raising prices. But to deal with that, it is enough to have a price ceiling.
What are the worries about raising prices really about though? If somebody snatches a thing right before your eyes, what good does it do to know you could have paid the price? It's better to have a guarantee that you can obtain a thing. So I have come to the conclusion that the part of the proposal that isn't an auction should not be something with a fixed price, nor something with a price ceiling, but simply something without any price. And since I got no idea how to combine the parts in an elegant fashion for now, we just do first the part without any prices and then the auction stuff.

Assume a given pile of classified and quantified resources, ready to be used up in the next period. After the central authority has set the Resource Access Power (RAP) of each pseudo-firm, the pseudo-firms should not yet have to participate in the resource auctions. Instead, the central authority sets aside a part of the pile for the pseudo-firms making requests in kind. The hydraulic diagram from a 2D world describes a situation of just three pseudo-firms. On the left, the blue liquid representing the resource sits in a tank that is closed at the bottom. If we let the resource flow, it will go through the pipe into the three vessels on the right and will reach equal level (and the air will escape from the vessels through the pipes they got on top). These three vessels represent the three pseudo-firms. The width of a pseudo-firm's vessel is proportional to its RAP, so these three are equal in that. The size of a pseudo-firm's request is represented by its vessel's volume (and since the diagram is in a 2D world, area = volume). A pseudo-firm exaggerating its request will make its vessel taller, but not wider.

(Maybe it would have been better to show two pseudo-firms in the diagram, one at half the RAP of the other, but I'm too lazy to edit it. Anyway, you should be able to picture what that would look like.)

Only after this procedure is through do we start with the auction stuff.

Get the fuck in here.

>>2573879
of all porky, musk seems one of the rare breed that are a little bit class conscious as he doesn't expect billions of homeless proles to just disappear when the automation layoffs fully hit

>>2576720
class conscious porkies are the most dangerous

For a long time, I've wanted to write a piece on the potential of a social networking platform as the facilitator of voluntary collective labour coordination.

From everyday communication, to house parties, and large scale mass mobilisations, it is clear the internet has revolutionized relations. Why not extend it to organizing production?

Of course tankies prefer to fantasize about political power, but why in general do communists never actually talk about how to organize production in a communist world.

>>2576872
Considering the track record of both the Roman Empire and the Hellenic Pantheon in general this just feels like the pot calling the kettle black

>>2576985
My point is that Christanity and judaism's moral flaws were pointed out in the 300s, however, I think you assessment of Julian the Apostate to be a bit unfair, sure he prevented christians from becoming teachers and he obviously hated christianity, but he was far from being the anti-christian tyrant he was portrayed as, especially when you compare him to his cousin, Constantius the Second.
Beyond that, Julian's philosophy of Neoplatonism was quite modern in some aspect as he denouced what he called the fables of both greek and jewish mythology. Instead advocating for a more figurative and philosophical religion. He's closer to Enlightened era thinkers then christians were at the time.

>>2576996
I mean that Constatius the second was more anti-pagan then Julian was anti-christian, obviously Constantius wasn't anti-christian as he was one.

>>2576194
Religion is weird and creepy. They also rape children.

>>2576996
Deists are fucking creepy as all hell TBH. I'd trust some illiterate peasant who believes in the big man in the sky over some Newtonian deist.

Oh boy Israel just raided yet another southern Syrian city.

Öcalan spoke mostly about Syria during the meeting:
"The March 10th Agreement between Mazlum Abdi and Shara must be implemented. Those there will listen to me, too."
Gülistan Koçyiğit, a member of DEM, who attended the Commission's visit to İmralı, explained what Öcalan said during the meeting:
"The Syrian issue was the main focus of the meeting. The delegation members also asked more questions about Syria."
"He said he attaches importance to the March 10th agreement and that it must be implemented. Perhaps it's worth noting that this is the most fundamental and underlined point in the Syrian context.
In this sense, he expressed the need for integration of the armed forces into the army, but also for local security forces.
He described one as the Ministry of Interior and the other as the Ministry of National Defense. "You can think of it as two," he said. "One will be integrated into the Ministry of National Defense as an army. The local security forces will be local security forces under the Ministry of Interior. "It could be considered that way," he said. He emphasized the need for thorough discussion of this issue.
I must say that Mr. Öcalan's stance on Syria is very constructive. He believes that the problems there can be overcome through dialogue.
And he clearly and directly stated that he would be very effective in this regard. When asked this question himself, he said, "Yes, the people there will listen to me, too."

For a very long time, the Assad regime existed, and its characteristic feature was ultimately a dictatorship, and it remained so for years. Today, there's a Sharia regime. If true democratization doesn't occur, it will ultimately lead to a dictatorship. In that sense, we must emphasize that one of the fundamental things he described as essential is local democracy.
<https://x.com/serbestiyetweb/status/1994326169127158085

>>2575263
Any update on this? I'm confused how it's related to Syria, did Syrian related factions do the attack?

>>2576810
Yeah if there's one thing dictatorships fear it's the awesome power of local democracy

>>2576951
which is why they say it has to be armed.

>>2576805
Great leap forward proved that ultras are mentally retarded and that China needs pragmatic economics.

>>2576805
yeah dude china was so much better when red guards were shooting other red guards because the dogmatic confusion was so surreal entire student communities killed other student communities for being too reactionary

>>2576982
Mao didn't say to struggle violently though, they just did that

>>2577000
>call for a violent revolution
<no he didnt mean it like this
Mistakes were made millions are dead.

>>2577000
So the cultural revolution was a failure? If Mao created a movement that he could not control or discipline that spiralled out of control and began to do more bad than good to China then it was a failure.

>>2422283
the president/congress controls US foreign policy not the price of commodities on the world market 2/10 gothca

>>2334358
I'm too autistic to succumb to peer pressure.

If the masses don't want to reckon with their own stupidity, they will reckon with their own extinction.

Or do you think being a brainlet carries no consequence?

>>2576863
Not that guy, but obviously, the point he and I want to make is that we need to be pragmatic and adopt realistic approaches. As capitalism collapses we have to work within the new systems. The real end result will probably be some form of Caudillismo and strongman rule, and Socialists and Communists will need to learn to work within that

>>2576893
The unfortunate truth is that fascism is historically progressive compared to liberal democracy.

it's not over until it's over

the goalposts will just be moved from preventing large-scale mass extinction/ecocide (already happening/happened) to preventing the earth from hitting the sort of runaway warming w/ water vapor as a greenhouse gas that made venus the way it is.

>>2567053
if you believe this you should hire a legal guadian because you're too stupid to be trusted around stovetops and blenders

>>2567051
I'm already stockpiling precious metals!

>>2576807
Indonesia is like the fifth largest economy in the world

>>2575857
>I bet BRICS are negotiating the price of selling Venezuela right now lel
Didn't read. Need to tell you that you are retartid.

The Revolution Will Not Be Terrorized
The Caribbean Sea holds the memories of countless African and Indigenous lives brutally killed by imperial power. From the terrible Transatlantic Slave Trade to today’s US bombings of civilian vessels, executing dozens of Caribbean people. Though separated by centuries, the underlying motives remain the same: profit-driven colonial domination.

This year, Latin America and the Caribbean honor the memory of the victims of the “Zong Massacre” on its 244th anniversary and its lasting impact on the fight against colonialism.

In 1781, the British slave ship Zong left Accra in Ghana with 442 Africans on board, which was more than twice its capacity. The captives were destined for Jamaica, where they would be sold for an average price of £36 each to work on sugar plantations. However, the British enslavers ran low on supplies after navigating off course miles from the island and decided to mass murder captives to collect insurance money of £30 per person.

On November 29, 54 women and children were thrown into the Caribbean Sea. A further 78 men were tossed overboard in the following days, while 10 enslaved people jumped into the water in an act of revolutionary resistance. Another 62 Africans had already died on board from malnutrition and disease. The story is only known because of court documents, which were filed after the insurance company sued the ship’s crew to avoid paying.

The “Zong Massacre” reminds us of the horrors of colonialism and serves as a warning against today’s Western imperialist efforts to repeat history through different methods, exploiting the labour and resources of indigenous and black nations.

<The Caribbean massacre
Centuries ago, the bodies of thousands of Africans were either left to drown or to be eaten by sharks. The same is happening now, with more than 80 people having been killed since September, mostly in Caribbean waters just a few miles from the Venezuelan coast, but also in the Eastern Pacific, by US military forces. Their mangled bodies have been left to sink to the bottom of the sea or wash up on the shores of nearby countries such as Trinidad and Tobago, as happened soon after the US attacked the first vessel, killing 11.

Trinidadian villagers said that the two corpses that washed ashore had burned marks on their faces, making them unrecognizabPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2575857
You seriously believe feds? They got Viktor Bout and he was innocent.

Fuck feds. Mutts deserve drug deaths. Im burgerreich was truly based they would kill drug users Duterte style.

>>2576763
cheer up a bit

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>>2573637
They didn't accept american bases

>>2573637
We don't, it's a meme. Reactoids hate the french

>>2575950
Un vil tankie qui veut la bite de Poutine dans sa bouche.
Le communisme n'est possible qu'en défendant l'Ukraine et Taïwan de toutes nos forces contre les offensives réactionnaires impérialistes et bourgeoises.
Rejoignez le NPA.

>>2575950
putain le PTB est tellement basé

>>2576108
je crois pas que le npa est mauvais au point de demander la défense de taiwan si ? ils ont quand même pas voté pour les envoi d'armes à l'ukraine ?
en même temps qu'attendre de guignols qui se définissent en "anti" tellement ils ont accepté les prémisses de l'anti communisme

>>2576313
php boards, news groups, imageboards and by now archaic shit like that is social media in the original sense. people interacting, more or less organically, with one another based on a shared interest.

what is called social media nowadays is in fact anti social, individualist and egocentrical. participation is not born from a personal interest in a specific topic but from peer pressure and asinine incentivisation schemes in form of updoots/likes etc. pp. to maximize engagement and screen time.

>>2576402
old person is correct. It's social media, but in a different ballpark to commercial for-profit addiction machines. All we've got is the bump algorithm and (You)s.

>>2576230
Do you have much connection to IRL networks? Friends, sport you play, socialist orgs, that kind of stuff. Definitely helps to have something more important to fill those gaps than spectacle.

Want dramashit? Meet my local trot orgs, especially the ones on college campuses. Holy fuck they are a mess, including the One True Revolutionary Party getting student members to vote second preferences to the right-wing party just to their rival fellow trots couldn't get a seat, not to mention trying to stall pro-Palestine motions which passed unanimously when their stalling didn't work. Or that time they tried to change a protest route at the last minute, but forgot to tell the dozen new students they recruited on that open day, so their leadership got off the train a station early and left their targets to get poached by their rivals.
Hell, even the M-L orgs have their own weird drama, with the CP# splitting into the CP#-ML and the SP#, then CP# dying, and soon after the SP# changing their name to CP#, and the #CP being formed, before a branch split from them. vidrel

>>2576343
>If you bury yourself in books, or learning to code, or practicing an instrument then you're taking charge of your own headspace before the slop merchants can fill it for you.
This. Also getting into political theory (even breadslop), propaganda creation and coding got me out of habitual gaming. At least my hobbies are now somewhat productive while being fun and interesting.

>>2576230
I kinda want the opposite, I want to subsume myself to it.

If I can give one piece of advice, it's that while throwing yourself into learning to code, play an instrument, write a story, draw, or any other creative or skill-developing hobby (fish for all it matters!), is exceptionally worthwhile, you should categorically not get into political theory or history or similar dry academic topics. That's what I did, and I regard it as the only possible waste of time worse than using social media. At least on social media I'd have vague acquaintances and the ability to hold a facsimile of a conversation. Instead, all I have is petty resentments and an encyclopedic knowledge of dead movements, movements that were dead before they started, movements that are undead, dead economic theories, and an all-pervasive sense that everyone engaged in 'politics' outside real power is just LARPing and has nothing approaching a coherent plan for building or taking power.

It is a superficially smarter but actually much dumber way to waste your life. You are still just looking at words on a page - if you want to do that, literature is the way to go, not theory. At least it'll come in handy if you decide you want to write down the road.
This is not the good communist answer, the good communist cliche is to write paeans to theory that you don't actually read. Go on social media and do that if you must, but don't fall for the meme. You will not, in fact, read your way into actually existing socialism. You cannot get that time back, don't waste it like I did.

>>2576313
Yes but this is one of the few places for me personally that I dont want to get permabanned like I am on 4chan and reddit. Getting banned prevents me from consuming brainrot content as I get bored quickly and leave the site if I cant post.

>>2574229
yes

>>2573837
you're just agreeing with me now

>>2573771
What are you basing this on? That your personal business is making money?

>>2573771
>>2573716
<tech itself is slowing becoming a blue collar field.
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown in crisis not been absorbed by the bourgeois
no contradiction - plenty of "blue collar" petit bourgois like electrician plumber masters who own businesses.

OP is a probably an high end consultant or an small to mid size MSP/it shop. No surprise its booming now.

Anyway tech is a growth field but eventually the cloud will eat everything anyway and bezos/gates/etc. will own 90% of the worlds IT infra

>>2573771
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown
Where is the proofs? Can you share any actual data on that claim? How is petite bourgeoise growth ratio compared to monopoly capital growth?

wtf is this shit thread.
>helo guis explain my anecdote with marxism