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/leftybritpol/ has not been and never will be a cyclical thread. Making us one goes against a decade of /leftypol/ tradition and the mods must correct their mistake immediately!

Anyways… Jeremy Corbyn has addressed a meeting on the formation of a new socialist party called 'Collective'. The party intends to position itself to the left of Starmer's Labour, and has received backing from a number of left-wing figures including Len McCluskey and Andrew Feinstein.
It is not yet clear whether the four other pro-palestine independent MPs will join the party, however if they did Collective would have the same number of MPs in Parliament as Reform and the DUP.

Details of the meeting, including attendees, can be found in this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/15/jeremy-corbyn-addresses-meeting-new-leftwing-party-collective
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This is brilliant news.

I myself plan to join when I can.

Anyone here, and socialists, communists in general should 100% form a marxist faction or bloc in the party.

Just as the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party had the bolsheviks.

>>1947586
Yeah the British stole it, it should be rightfully returned.

>>1947583
>Iam not happy with our social outings
>but its on my man to organize them
>visiting marx tomb isnt cool enough for me
smh

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>>1947874
Woman moment.

>>1947755
>>1947772
It has nothing to do with the EIC, some random guy just made a company with the same name, the actual EIC ceased to exist in 1874.



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Modern capitalists have distanced themselves from their former positions so much that a growing portion of global business is seeing formerly capitalist positions become proletarianized. More CEOs, managers, factory leaders, and executives no longer answer to themselves but to their investors. These people are becoming easily replaceable so much that some of the world’s largest corporations are seeing their CEOs getting regularly replaced over their ability to extract enough profits for their shareholder overlords. Their ownership is being stripped, and their payment is becoming increasingly attached to whatever their shareholders will allow. What exactly should such a change imply for a future revolt? Should the banker, the CEO, and the office worker be considered a prole?
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>>1947988
The USA is a leader in this trend. Just look at how frequently their top corporations keep shifting around their leaders. even fucking muskrat man of all people doesn’t control the majority of the companies he owns

>>1947872
Well, if they don't own the MoPs, they already are proles, they're just traitors like the cops

>>1947872
>Should the banker,
Produces no value. Their sustenance is a fraction of aggregate surplus-value exploited from the proletariat.
>the CEO,
Produces no value. Strategizes the exploitation of the proletariat from within the firm.
>and the office worker
Unless more clearly defined, this class produces no value. Cannot be proletariat, as they do not produce surplus-value.

See part B https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch06.htm#1.2

>>1947994
CEOs don't usually control a majority of shares, they just own shares and sit on the board of directors. it is actually more common for petit bourgeoisie and sole proprietors to be majority owners of their businesses than for haute bourgeoisie. Large multinational conglomerates tend to have thousands of shareholders and public offerings to investors so of course the CEO doesn't own the majority of shares. That doesn't make them less bourgeois, it just means they have more colleagues in ownership.

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>>1947872
the notion that the pay of CEOs is being stripped is delusional. where are you getting this?



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Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content.
>Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
<Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

If your original content is good enough, it would most likely be shared on the /leftypol/ twitter account!
Make sure to follow us and feel free to leave suggestions on this thread~
https://twitter.com/leftypol_org
https://nitter.net/leftypol_org

previous thread: >>1762168
>>>/leftypol_archive/1762168 (if it gets archived by mods)

New Booru:
https://lefty.pictures

MAKE SURE TO UPLOAD YOUR OC TO THE BOORU SO IT DOESNT GET PRUNED FOREVER!!!
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>>1945340
I can't see it on the boou, but I made you this.

one of you was asking for this video the other month to make an edit. I finally found the original.

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>>1945952
for context, here's the edit which originally made the rounds in various threads before leftypol was kill. this prompted an anon to ask for the original, which I hunted down on anon's behalf

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>>1945952
That was me, thanks anon!
The effort you put in to finding it shall increase my resolve to make some decent agitprop with it. Thank you again, Anon.

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>>1945340
>>1945343
creator of said edit here. here you go



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The united left candidate can't even score 2nd place in the just now Tokyo Governor election, a major flop considering the JCP managed more votes in a less important election a few years back
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>>1909205
>voting based on public figure
literally the same as it always was lol

A political expert on NHK world said that Koike won because she was a popular incumbent and that Renho's campaign was too much focused on linking together Koike and the LDP funds scandal, which didn't convince voters.

Japan is a rogue province of the People's Republic, this is like caring about elections in Ta*wan

>>1909218
There are threads about elections for all sorts of other countries.

>>1909133
Thank God China has Google, PayPal, etc blocked, meanwhile India and Japan use nothing but US websites (well, Japan uses LINE instead of Whatsapp, but still)



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8th Edition: Failson squad assemble!edition.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! South Asia and Oceania posters can come in to discuss their regional politics as well.

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org

Last threads:
https://archive.ph/5rqox
https://archive.is/Jlc7A
http://archive.is/0NhJH
http://archive.is/nDq1K
https://archive.vn/cxwty
https://archive.is/ayshz
https://archive.is/2NLO8
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Wew, Temu is ready to invade /SEA/. Anti-CPC People in cunt are all feel uneasy righ now.

One week and 2 separate pedo cults in Philippines and Malaysia. What the hell is up with that?

Also happy 9/11

>>1942757
yea the imageboard got 9/11ed.

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>pwease no more bwother wars guys
>it’s bad for business
Man can the Chinese be any less ineffectual?

>>1945701
So, China will become the next USA, ehh?



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Thread for all business/capitalism related stuff.

DOW/Market Watch Thread - monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.

Career - job/career advice and other related stuff from a leftist perspective. EX: How to get a job, promotion, skill, switch companies, resume, life hacks, etc.

Econ - Anything related to economic theory, political economy or finance theory or applications/analysis.
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>>1947807
sorry, I guess I just never paid attention to it then because i only noticed it existing in 2020 when it started getting popular for the reasons above. Regardless the stonk market isn't crashing and its not a crisis at the moment anyway and having a thread to necrobump about crypto or puts is a waste IMO

>>1947803
/crisis/ is one of the oldest generals. It existed since 8ch if memory serves right. Even the previous OP was from back then I think.

>>1947836
really? I've been using /leftypol/ from 2016 and I never noticed /crisis/ existing until the 2020 stonk market crash.

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>>1947837
2018. It wasn't called /crisis/ until way later though.

>>1947842
>It wasn't called /crisis/ until way later though.
oh, that explains it. I was under the impression that /crisis/ was created by merging some other threads to contain all the stuff made in >>1947803 . was it 2020 when it was named crisis? I strongly seem to recall that being when it started.



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since we missed the date by being down, please discuss this event, its causes, and its ramifications.
>The September 11 attacks, commonly known as 9/11, were four coordinated Islamist terrorist suicide attacks carried out by al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001.
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>>1946121
Still in the Americas :^3

>>1945597
>he's openly talking about how he hates jews and how they control all the capital in the world, how women should be bound under Sharia law, how gays are degenerates that should be executed and so on.
Bin Laden never said any of this. Sure he was a conservative religious person but he never mentions executing people. In his 2007 tapes he does openly talk about how Christians and Jews should be able to live openly with Muslims e.g. "we did not burn them (Jews and Christians) and we shall not burn them" and "the Holocaust is your culture" etc. When guys like OBL refer to the Jews, they are usually referring to Israelis since that is the word Israelis use for themselves.

>all the leftoids were like "damn brah maybe he had a point"

Verso books published Bin Laden's statements. If you look at them, they are usually just a laundry list of US crimes and complaining about how bad the dictators and the Saudis are. I mean OBL did have a point.

>>1947830
isn't the word used to refer to israelis in arabic also for jews? pronounced 'yahoudis' or something like that?

>>1947830
Osama Bin Laden never said anything because he is a fictional character.

https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) – Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."

Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

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RESURRECT BLANQUISM
RESURRECT BLANQUISM
RESURRECT BLANQUISM
YOU CANNOT HAVE REVOLUTION IN THE OPEN
YOU WILL JUST GET DRONE STRIKED
THE FACIAL RECOGNITION CAMERAS WILL GET YOU



The resurrection of Blanquism is not just a nostalgic nod to a bygone era, but a necessary response to the changing nature of power and control in the 21st century. As we've seen time and time again, attempts at open, public revolution are met with swift and brutal suppression by the state. The days of mass protests and demonstrations, once a hallmark of revolutionary movements, are now met with riot police, tear gas, and surveillance drones. The authorities have become increasingly adept at identifying and targeting key organizers and leaders, using advanced technologies like facial recognition software to track and disrupt dissent.

This is why Blanquism's emphasis on secrecy and clandestine organization is more relevant than ever. Blanqui's own experiences with underground revolutionary activity, including his involvement in several conspiracies and insurrections, demonstrate the importance of the importance of operating outside of the public eye. In an era where social media and online activity are constantly monitored and surveilled, the need for secrecy and encryption has become paramount. By adopting a more clandestine approach, revolutionaries can avoid the pitfalls of open, public organizing and create a more sustainable and resilient movement.

The threat of drone strikes and other forms of high-tech repression is a stark reminder of the dangers of open revolution. In countries like Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria, drone strikes have become a ubiquitous feature of modern warfare, often targeting individuals and groups with little regard for civilian casualties. The same technology that allows for precision strikes also enables the state to identify and track individuals with ease, making it increasingly difficult to organize openly. Blanquism's emphasis on secrecy and clandestine activity offers a way to evade this kind of surveillance and repression, allowing revolutionaries to operate outside of the state's line of sight.

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Uhhh let's abandon the masses because uhhhhh drones n shit

>>1944721
>offtopic question
>video of woman screaming the n word
why tho

>>1944921
To be fair, Blanquism, for all its failings, is not "abandoning the masses." It's more of a clandestine/vanguardist thing. Engels criticized Blanqui in the following manner:

>Blanqui is essentially a political revolutionist. He is a socialist only through sentiment, through his sympathy with the sufferings of the people, but he has neither a socialist theory nor any definite practical suggestions for social remedies. In his political activity he was mainly a "man of action", believing that a small and well organized minority, who would attempt a political stroke of force at the opportune moment, could carry the mass of the people with them by a few successes at the start and thus make a victorious revolution.


This idea of starting the revolution in secret through highly organized clandestine activity and then carrying the mass of people with you in the wake of the initial action, is not exactly the same as "abandoning" the masses. However it places them in a subservient role, which is a more legitimate criticism. Ironically Rosa Luxemburg accused Lenin of Blanquism until she had the opportunity to speak with him in person a few times.

>>1947461
>Blanquism is not abandoning the masses
>It's vanguardist
you can't have both

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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
Sorted by last name
>Paul Cockshott
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>>1945815
Paweł Chujostrzał

>>1945856
i dont think its that obvious - what if their daily needs are mostly coming from foreign imports and more luxurious items are homemade? with higher taxation, they will maintain consumption of their daily needs, which wont change the rate of consumption of foreign imports

>>1945770
>applies it to nature as a whole
not sure what you mean by this but Cockhott takes value to be SNLT axiomatically, just like David Harvey. we sometimes get value critics sperging out ITT over this, who of course can never say what value is if it isn't SNLT

>>1945868
Your best bet is going through archive.org for this site and bunkerchan, finding the cybercom threads using the catalog and then checking the latest snapshot of each thread.

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>>1945668
I wonder if Cockshott has any opinions on
<Ceausescu's austerity program



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So, anons, considered that we all like to read theory, after sometime a question arises: what's to be done in real life? What practical step need to be done to actually fight the capitalist beast? It's cool to be a theorycel, but what about real living action? What one should be done to change things?

>>1947498
Theory without praxis is basically useless theory. Which is why leftcoms, ultras, "post-leftists", """"anti-campists"""" etc are fucking morons lol

Join a communist org.

>What one should be done to change things?
I don't know where you live, what you do for work, which organizations exist near you, etc.
I talked to local union members at a rally about which socialist orgs actually work with them, then went to their meetings.

>>1947498
borger



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