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trying to read das but both it and secondary sources take the labor value theory as a 'given'

i saw in a letter by marx he doesnt feel the need to prove it but i rlly dont understand
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>>2864126
You literally wrote:
>Labour-Power = Concrete + Abstract Labour
This statement is inconsistent with calling labor power a potential. Do you want to take back that statement?

>>2866254
>This statement is inconsistent with calling labor power a potential
How? A potential entails an actuality, and if the actuality of labour power is both concrete and abstract labour, it still stands. This is also why I provided the Marx quote to add clarification.

>>2866544
Because concrete and abstract labor are activities and not potential of activity. The worker sells labor power, which is a potential. How the capitalist put to use that bought potential is another question. Only while the worker is working is the concrete and abstract labor actually happening. So you are not paraphrasing Marx with your formula, you are slipping into the same mix-up as Ricardo, that is: Talking as if the worker had sold all the very specific minute activities he is actually only ordered to do after selling his labor power.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that there are thousands of different types of jobs and yet somehow most of them fall in the $15/hr to $50/hr range. That's just the consequence of concrete labor homogenising into abstract labor via the exchange process of commodities where their abstract labor is compared.

>>2868539
>you are not paraphrasing Marx with your formula
I am quoting Marx directly…
<all labour is, speaking physiologically, an expenditure of human labour power
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
And I add that LP is labour in potential. You just skimmed the text.



 

>I live under a rock
>Don't know anybody
>Have no friends
>No interest in politics (or living)
>Still here am am at some fourm called "Leftist Politically Incorrect"
>Asking for explanations
>Please kindly explane your views and opinions



 

My dad is a SocDem(the welfare capitalist kind) tankie. He has tons of books defending the Soviet Union. Try to criticize the Soviets and he would say the CIA have brainwashed you. He makes us celebrate Stalin's birthday every year, and he wholeheartedly believes that Stalin was secretly a social democrat. Every year on 9/11, he complains that the fall of the USSR was a bigger tragedy but doesn't get treated as such at all by the media. He doesn't like communism tho.
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>>2868044
MLMs may have better and more consistent politics on paper, but PPW is a failing strategy as of this moment, the one time MLMs did take power was in Nepal where they were forced at gunpoint by the CPC and INC to do liberal nonsense and that led directly to last year’s color revolution there

>>2868032
When the alternative is nothing I take the something

>>2867840
count yourself lucky. my dad is an autistic lib failson from a bourgeois family who got a woman (my mother) way younger than him pregnant because he really believed her when she said she couldn't get pregnant. neither of them bothered to raise me and my relationship with them is more one of distant and vague friendship than a typical child-parent relationship.

your daddy might make you worship stalin but at least you were raised with a value system of some sort. I had to discover socialism on my own.

>socdem tankie

>>2867840
Is your name Christian Parenti?



 

We haven't had this thread in a while so I'm bringing it back. >>>/leftypol/2851498 says mods will remove it so I am proving it wrong.

The Zionist Entity is a genocidal settler-colonial apartheid state set up by the European and North American powers to colonize the middle east. Even early zionists like Theodor Herzl understood Israel in these explicitly settler-colonial terms. Here is Herzl speaking in the 1800s, when Palestine was still Ottoman territory:

>If His Majesty the Sultan were to give us Palestine, we could offer to resolve Turkey’s finances. For Europe, we would form part of a bulwark against Asia there, we would serve as the advance post of civilisation against barbarism.


So Theodor Herzel felt not only that European people were entitled to Palestine over the people already living there (including Ottoman Jews), but that the presence of "civilized" Europeans in Israel would form a "bulwark" (forward operating base(offensive, not defensive)) against Asia, which entire continent Herzl racistly characterized as "barbaric."

Herzl was born on May 2nd , 1860 in Budapest, Hungary to a family of German speaking assimilated Jews. His father, Jakob, was a wealthy businessman and the young Theodor was expected to enter politics or engineering by his parents. In a sense, he did not disappoint, as Herzl was destined to become the father of political Zionism. While Herzl never saw his Jewish state during his lifetime, his ideology remains so influential that even today he is considered the father of Israel.

Herzl’s birthday is a holiday in Israel, his grave is a national monument, the organization he founded is still active today and the largest mountain in the country was re-named in his honor. It is not an exaggeration to say that Herzl and his ideology remain central to Zionism.

As a young man, Herzl was a fanatic Germanophile. He believed that if Jews simply tried hard enough, they could become “Germanized” and shake off what he called “shameful Jewish characteristics.” Herzl viewed German culture and language as inherently superior to that of the reviled working-class Yiddish speaking Jews. At first, he believed that Jews should be Germanized, arguing that Eastern European Jews were so "savage" and backwards that they must learn the very concepts of beauty and nobility by studying the works of authors like Goethe and Shakespeare. He initially envisionPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2868066
>The thing is, that is a mainstream opinion
Depends on where.
>Yet you could never say the same thing about Zionist terrorists
People say it all the time. But as Kurd muslims in Rojava weren't islamists, Jews who voted for Mamdani aren't Zionists.

Israel is a multicultural, multiethnic state
Gaza is theocratic ethnostate

>>2868077
Jews will generally vote for whatever will prevent concentration of power so they can't be held responsible for anything.

I don't even know why I bother debating Jewish people on Reddit or Twitter, they are literally the most bad faith group, I've ever encountered in my life. You can literally show them polling from their own antisemitism barometers and shit, and they will just still double down into nonsensical semantics to cry "antisemitism".
>>2868077
>Depends on where.
US is the only real outlier because majority of American "Jews" are non-religious/secular, don't all live in a single area of one or two cities and don't have major monolithic Community leadership orgs. The US doesn't even a "Chief Rabbi" like other countries.
>People say it all the time.
People don't really talk about killing Zionists lol. If they did they would be arrested almost immediately.
>But as Kurd muslims in Rojava weren't islamists, Jews who voted for Mamdani aren't Zionists.
I will make the argument that the distinction doesn't really matter in the end when 90%+ of Jews still describe themselves as Zionists. Same reason we don't hand wring over people using "Christians" as shorthand for Evangelicals.

>>2868597
>I don't even know why I bother debating Jewish people on Reddit or Twitter, they are literally the most bad faith group, I've ever encountered in my life.
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.



 

Every single marxist-leninist state relies on using reactionary tribalism (nationalism) to maintain societal cohesion as they are utterly incapable of actually creating a unified class consciousnes among the populace.
And if the populace did develop class-consciousness they would quickly overthrow the marxist-leninist state and kill off every single member of the party-bureucrat that ruled over them.

Class consciousness will come about naturally as the means of production develop to a point where the Capitalist class increases it's repression as their position becomes obviously pointless to even 80IQ wife beaters.
This is why I'm actually an AI accelerationist. AI is absolutely the technology that makes it pretty fucking obvious "Why do you exist?" a question to swaths of the PMC and Capital class when AI outperforms them in every way.



 

Leonardo Edinburgh factory targeted by pro-Palestine activists
PROTESTERS have blockaded the entrance to an Edinburgh weapons factory with links to Israel. Around 100 pro-Palestine activists gathered outside the Leonardo factory on Crewe Road, in Edinburgh, on Thursday morning. They demanded that the firm "drops the F-35 contract" with weapons firm Lockheed Martin, which they said is complicit in Israel's genocide in Gaza as well as attacks on Iran and Lebanon.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/26284508.leonardo-edinburgh-factory-targeted-pro-palestine-activists/
https://archive.ph/jbb5U

Labour movement leaders urge Burnham to end Diane Abbott's party suspension on first anniversary
MP John McDonnell said: “Andy Burnham says he aims to change the culture of the Labour Party and return the party to a broad church — a pluralist party where people’s views are respected. “A first step would be to restore the Labour whip to Diane Abbott.”
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-movement-leaders-urge-burnham-end-diane-abbotts-party-suspension-first-anniversary

Ukrainians protest Zelenskyy’s ouster of his popular defense minister
The mostly young protesters who took to the streets of Kyiv and other cities to support Fedorov made crude remarks about the current military commander, chanting, “Syrskyi, go away!” and “A European army for a European country!” Kyiv resident Bohdan Huryak said he was “deeply outraged” by Fedorov’s exit.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-defense-minister-reshuffle-fedorov-88083e4381b1690f5048088d75954d3a

Germany massively expands federal police powers
The German Bundestag last week approved a new law that significantly expands the powers of the federal police by providing the scope to use drones, artifPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Trump tightens US visa rules, limits stay for foreign students and journalists
President Donald Trump's administration on Thursday finalized rules imposing stricter limits on how long foreign students and journalists may stay in the United States, tightening legal immigration. Student visas would be capped at four years, while journalists would be limited to 240-day stays. Chinese journalists would face 90-day limits.
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20260716-trump-tightens-us-visa-rules-foreign-students-journalists
https://archive.ph/O8ErH

Puerto Rico announces emergency water rationing as drought worsens
Thousands of people in the island’s northeast region face 48-hour rationing periods from Friday, said Luis González, executive president of the island’s water and sewer authority. The rationing program will affect several communities in the cities of Canovanas and Rio Grande as temperatures keep rising. “There’s just not enough water,” he said, adding that rationing will likely be extended to other areas.
https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-water-shortage-drought-aaa-ae9a7bf10b04266984d033756c010ed7

Another federal agency wants in on student loans
Administration officials, who have been discussing the idea in small industry groups, are trying to attract the private sector, according to two people who participated in one of the meetings. The plan, they said, involves having the Small Business Administration spearhead the program, even though the agency was passed over as the new home of the nation’s student loan portfolio. Experts and former agency officials see two compounding problems: A similar program failed spectacularly not that long ago, and SBA, a small agency that typically works with businesses rather than individuals, has a history of failing to combatfraud andconduct oversight.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/0Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

David Sirota's Lever Time: We’re Still Living In The 2016 Election
Ten years ago this week, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) ended his first presidential run and endorsed Hillary Clinton. Now, his chief strategist says the primary process was rigged. Today on Lever Time, David Sirota sits down with Tad Devine, longtime political consultant and chief strategist for Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign. Devine reveals why he believes the Democratic National Committee tilted the scales against Sanders, why his populist message has staying power, and why the biggest obstacle in future elections is the Democratic Party itself.
https://www.levernews.com/were-still-living-in-the-2016-election/
https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-h4ie2-2f7552d6

Richard Wolff on the Left’s New Openings in 2026
In the second half of the nineteenth century, as Russia’s feudalism ended and its empire tottered, the great Russian novelist, Nikolay Chernyshevsky, reflected the deepening concerns and anxieties of his time in his 1863 novel, What Is to Be Done? It offered a socialist answer. Forty years later, a crude and rapacious capitalism had rushed in to replace Russian feudalism. The ex-serfs then began to understand that they had not escaped from exploitation as they had hoped and dreamed. Rather, they suffered a new form of it as industrial workers. Vladimir Lenin reflected the concerns and anxieties of that form in his pamphlet, with its deliberately repeated title, “What Is to Be Done?” It too offered a socialist answer. Today a declining US empire upsets and undermines US capitalism as it rattles and shakes the world economy. International laws are increasingly ignored, and crude authoritarianisms increasingly haunt domestic politics. Many around the world are asking that old question yet again — as well they should. Here is yet another socialist answer.
https://jacobin.com/2026/07/american-empire-capitalism-crisis-socialism

“Yanks to the Rescue”: 30 years since the U.S. helped re-elect Boris Yeltsin
The 3rd of July marked the 30th anniversary of BPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>The government argued that the law — the first new federal police law in Germany since 1994 — is essential to keep up with technological developments

Ah yes the technological development of the cops not wanting to ask those annoying judges with their law and stuff when they feel like spying on and arresting people



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In 1992 the Church of Euthanasia started with a simple goal, to end humanity. Its founders, Chris Korda and Robert Kimberk were staunch environmentalists and nihilists who expressed their view of the world in art and protest movements. The group came under heavy scrutiny in the early 2000s for posting a montage of the 9/11 attacks with the title “I like to watch”. They also faced legal trouble when a 52 year old woman committed suicide using instructions they posted on their website.

The church has 4 key pillars, abortion, cannibalism, sodomy, and suicide, all intended to deal with the immense biowaste that we represent. Unlike the voluntary human extinction movement (“may we live long and die out”), the Core took more direct stances with messages like “save the planet, kill yourself”.

Save the planet :), and remind others to do their part.

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>>2868506
being edgy is also a spook

Most obvious cia plant movement ever award

>>2868513
I’m not being edgy, im just tired. I’m going to buy a gun this weekend and do my part.

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>>2868545
well at least you're putting your money where your mouth is LITERALLY

Moved to >>>/dead/6446.



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Among normies, it became increasingly popular to pretend to be autistic, while having no actual symptoms. I.e. autism is a modern fad, like being non-binary - a way to get attention. Actually autistic individuals who don't get clues and can't read the room are still highly unwelcome. These people for example may claim they love to play chess or know programming, but when you start probing what they actually know or care about, you find that it is just their public face, and they are just trying to be cool too hard. Not gatekeeping anything, just mentioning that transsexuals/transmeds already distanced themselves from the "transgender" community. Actual autistic people can follow the example by maybe gating their community with a Bongard Problem captcha, which normies and AI still can't solve.



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Who will maintain and enforce public ownership of the means of production once the state is gone.
Who governs, decides and allocates all the necessary resources and production to meet the needs of all the people in the whole world without a state?
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>>2868224
>It is deceptive for both Marx and Engels to speak upon the "whithering away of the state", since they never really meant it
They meant it in full, and it is deceptive and revisionist to state otherwise.
>you will always have a state (e.g. monopoly of violence which enforces class dictatorship).
Oh, and now you’re implying that class will always exist as well.
>>2868262
>>2868264
Just come out as a devoted liberals already. You’re not subtle.

>>2868287
you don't understand, we will have the people's classes and the people's commodities and the people's nations and the people's labor, this is what communism means

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>>2868181
>The state is converted into the "administration of things", which means that it loses its political character (e.g. class struggle)
Man is a political animal.

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>communism is just capitalism with a couple of arbitrary changes at most, all social relations the same



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I think I understand why incels and the modern right are so well aligned. An incel doesn't actually hate the fact that dating sucks and some attractive men are really successful at the expense of average men. He just hates that HE'S not the successful man. Totally uninterested in whether or not the system is good (or even real, but that's another argument) – he just wants to be the beneficiary of it.

It's the exact same thing with your modern rightoid antisemite. He doesn't actually hate the things he says the jews do. He just hates that it's them doing it instead of him. Totally and absolutely amoral. Whether it's systemically healthy for ANYONE to do it literally never occurs to him.

I finally get it. It's more than just incidental overlap. It is the exact same causal structure. It's a generalized style of interacting with the world. If you have this style, that you become an antisemite is just as natural that you become an incel.
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>>2868113
Your idea of marriage and monogamy is a western patriarchal fantasy.

I rightoid and i fully support everything Israel did and gonna do. Israel have rights to defend itself, in fact. This is what Israel do in all of it's History

>>2868155
patriarchal societies promote polygamy…

>>2868155
What if we made a polyandric society for incels where they can join harems of failgirl chudettes. They would have to cover their faces outside so people wouldn't be disgusted by their disfigured appearance for example

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>>2847501
>>2847381
TOTAL LOCALISM-LIFESTYLISM-LENINISM NOW
SOCIALISM IN ONE PERSON
HYPER SUPER ULTRA LOCALISM
EVERY MAN A LENIN
EVERY HOUSE A USSR



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