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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2576720
class conscious porkies are the most dangerous

For a long time, I've wanted to write a piece on the potential of a social networking platform as the facilitator of voluntary collective labour coordination.

From everyday communication, to house parties, and large scale mass mobilisations, it is clear the internet has revolutionized relations. Why not extend it to organizing production?

Of course tankies prefer to fantasize about political power, but why in general do communists never actually talk about how to organize production in a communist world.

>>2577144
Because the porkies have already organised production extremely efficiently and are continuing to rationalize production.

>>2576710
thanks anon

>>2577144
Anon read some of the archived threads at the top there have already been a ton of proposals on this.



 

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I know, it's reddit slop, but can't help laughing.

>>2574299
IMAGINE

A DYSTOPIAN FUTURE IN WHICH ANTHONY ALBINOSE

BECOMES

PRIME MINISTAH

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>>2574299
god i want her to origami my cock

>>2552699
The west should be collectively grateful that Lukashenko is only in charge of Belarus. If that Union State proposal went through back in the 90s with him as president we would be living in a very different timeline right now.

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The Eureka Initiative is an American Communist Party (Haz cult) associate.
Probably deeper connections, I just haven't dug any further because I don't see the point.

Some basic evidence:
1) Their official subreddit /r/RedAustralia has an American Communist Party member as a moderator (/r/FamousPlan101). pic1rel

2)
a) Their official website, lists the Eureka Collective twitter account as a friend
b) Their official reddit account talks about the relationship of the EC to the EI. pic2rel. While the EI account correctly points out that one account on twitter generally doesn't represent a community (see also: /leftypol/ twitter account), this account is listed as a friend.
c) pic3rel

3) An /r/AustralianSocialism member alleges Eureka Initiative members initially met through "MAGA Communism" Disc­οrd.gov servers.

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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2576830
>hating people for their skin color
cringe
>>2576848
>hating people for their religion
based

>>2576995
Reading comprehension

Wenn der Russe kommt, dann wird endlich der Ostlohn and den Westlohn angepasst, und Bayern hat dann auch nicht mehr 4 Feierttage mehr als wir.





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Previous thread: >>2507158

Links:

Previous Thread Archives
Thread 1 https://archive.ph/ROnpO
Thread 2 https://archive.ph/f29Po
Thread 3 https://archive.ph/GZj20
Thread 4 https://archive.ph/ZHfse

Youtube Playlists
Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTMFx0t8kDzc72vtNWeTP05x6WYiDgEx7
Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1uqxcCESK6B1juh_wnKoxftZCcqA1go
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>>2578130
so we know the value of a commodity in the act of exchange, where concrete labour is abstracted as a quantity of homogenous labour-time so as to produce equivalence in a ratio of substance (i.e. A = £2), but we must consider a ratio beyond this, which is both indefinable and unknowable? this is your conclusion?

>>2578139
SNLT is measured in exchange-value as marx said, so why invoke this when you are talking about a mystical "value" beyond the realms of knowledge?

>>2578143
>SNLT is measured in exchange-value as marx said, so why invoke this when you are talking about a mystical "value" beyond the realms of knowledge?
SNLT is a more general concept than something that only happens in capitalism. We live in capitalism. In capitalism, we look at SNLT through the dirty lens of exchange ratios. Or we could say it's like looking at a shadow.

Or we could say it's like this: Suppose
1. I regularly fuck Smith Anon's mother.
2. Sometimes she gets more excited than other times.
3. When she gets more excited her moans get louder proportionally.

But it cannot be directly inferred from these three points that how loud she seems to Smith Anon must be proportional to how excited she is, because depending on where I fuck her and where Smith Anon is also affects how loud he perceives her to be. But Smith Anon does not grasp that and thinks it must be the walls themselves that are fucking and saying anything else is "mystical gobbledygook".

>>2578185
so, is this you explaining the difference between value ratios and exchange value ratios, then? or have you given up on that?

>>2578185
>>2578236
read this carefully:
<the common substance that manifests itself in the exchange value of commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value. The progress of our investigation will show that exchange value is the only form in which the value of commodities can manifest itself or be expressed […] When, at the beginning of this chapter, we said, in common parlance, that a commodity is both a use value and an exchange value, we were, accurately speaking, wrong. A commodity is a use value or object of utility, and a value. It manifests itself as this two-fold thing, that it is, as soon as its value assumes an independent form – viz., the form of exchange value. It never assumes this form when isolated, but only when placed in a value or exchange relation with another commodity of a different kind. When once we know this, such a mode of expression does no harm; it simply serves as an abbreviation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
so exchange-value is the only mode of expression for the value of commodities. value cannot be expressed outside of this quantitative relationship to marx, which may be represented as a ratio between commodities:
<the ratio of the value of silver to that of gold…
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch03.htm
again, this is all entirely uncontroversial to most.



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Why do people use the industrialization and subsequent rise of the standard of living in Russia and China as proof of the success of socialism when neither countries were and are socialist. Socialism being defined as worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned. The success for these two countries is a testament to there size, abundance of resources and people. Germany was afraid of pre-revoultionary Russia and predicted by 1917 they would be no match for its growing might. China before the Second Sino-Japanese war was a lot more industrialized than people usually give it credit for, with most of its industrial base being destroyed by the war. And too give examples of two capitalist countries that being the United States and Germany. Both of them were able to surpass the United Kingdom due there larger access to resources and people. And not to mention the increased development of technology allowing industrializeing nations to catch up faster to their established piers. What allowed these countries to industrialize in the first place is a stable government and there ability to fight off foreign threats, which was not the case for Imperial Russia, Qing China and the ROC.
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>>2577660
You didn't watch the video. According to Marx communism is stateless, classless, moneyless society. Also Marx made no distinction between socialism or communism. There for socialism according to Marx is a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

>>2576622
UNIT 731 did nothing wrong, it was progressive for science. The USSR should be ashemed for trying to persecute them instead of work with them like the US did.

>>2576288

>worker ownership of the means of production

both the USSR and PRC could be seen as mixed economies where certain sectors and industries do have this anon. Artels/Kolkhozs in the USSR and SWRCs/the new employee assemblies in the PRC come immediately to mind. Even just a little bit of socialism and economic planning resulted in much faster growth(compare the PRC and India for example) that didn't even require the huge amount of primitive accumulation,chattel slavery and general pillage that industrial capitalism in England,Germany and the US required.

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>>2577827
no. in critique of the gotha program, marx distinguishes between a lower stage of communism and a higher of communism. the lower stage of communism being "a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat." later thinkers like lenin does refer to the lower stage of communism as socialism for shorthand, but it does not change the theoretical content of marx. according to marx, this lower stage will also have the birthmarks of the old society, meaning it will still bear the remnants of capitalism. this is why it's considered a transitional stage and not a new mode of production as this transitional stage does not instantly eliminate capitalist relations. this is because "the distribution of goods still carries the birthmarks of the old society," which refers to the fact that scarcity still exists, labor is still measured and rewarded according to contribution, and class relations are not yet completely eliminated. in fact, in gundrisse, he also observes that elements of the bourgeois mode of production can be partially retained as long as they serve to accelerate the growth of productive forces.

further, in gundrise and the communist manifesto, he talks about how during the transition stage, the dotp "centralize the instruments of production in the hands of the state." across his works, this means bringing major production and infrastructure under the control of the state that is headed by a dotp, not necessarily that the totality of everything is nationalized. the state then explicity aims to "increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible." this is because it is central to marx's theory of historical materialism. neither japan or saudi arabia, for instance, declare themselves as having a dotp or aims to advance the productive forces in order to realize the horizons of communism, while the ussr and china does. remember, in preface to a contribution to the critique of the political economy, marx says: "In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces." once productive forces are advanced enough and provides the material basis for post scarcity, the state will eventuallPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2577979
We are so far in front of Marx's time, communism is already possible. We do not need a period of state control and rapid technological development and concentration.



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THE IDEAL WINNING 2028 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM

As a supporter of the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, I obviously realize that the Democrats are a Controlled Opposition Party who exist to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of Naw Afrika, Aztlan, the First Nations, inside the U$ corralled and controlled, while the dominant ruling Crypto-Fascist Christian Zionist Nationalist MAGAtard Republicans transform the U$ into a Full-Blown Fascist Police State, which combined with the fact that the U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2546908
The Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist analysis that provides the foundation for my Social Democratic, Social Progressive, and Non-Interventionist “Ideal Winning 2028 Democratic Platform” is not satirical, it is a 100% serious elucidation of my sincerely held beliefs, and my username “King Lear” is both a homage to the fact that I believe Shakespeare‘s King Lear is the greatest work of literature ever written and a symbolic reference to the fact that King Lear was the first literary work with an explicitly Atheist theme, with Marx saying that “the criticism of Religion is the foundation of all criticism”, thus you could say that King Lear’s subtle attack on Religion in its Crypto-Atheistic theme of Nihilism and Hopelessness in a chaotic Godless world, was a very early vague and tenuous prerequisite for the Atheistic Dialectical Materialist philosophy of Marxism, which is why I feel that King Lear was the greatest work of Literature ever written, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2546933
I was going to call satire until you actually explained the King Lear thing in a way that makes too much sense to be a joke

>>2525627
>“Tor” is a CIA/NSA/FBI Honeypot created by U$ Naval Intelligence, so I don’t think I need to say anymore about the merits of viewing “Tor” as some kind of “Anonymous” Internet, when in reality their are ZERO websites on the Internet that are not fully accessible to Glowies because the entire Internet itself emerged out of the U$ Military ARPANET project
LOW-ORBIT TRUTH RAY

Bump, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547121
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, anyone who reads King Lear against the grain realizes that it has a much deeper meaning than just being a parable about a crazy old King attempting to divide his Kingdom between his three daughters, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547122
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, it is really quite absurd that the whole ARPENET thing has not clued in more people about who really controls the entire Internet, and it is even more asinine that these same people who have not figured out who runs the Internet, believe that the Naval Intelligence Honeytrap for dummies known as “Tor”, is “Anonymous” in any way, shape, or form, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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I have decided to Bump my Thread about the “Ideal Winning 2028 Democratic Platform” with a related In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis Effort Post, detailing the two Shining Paths to Communism, the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism and the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

The Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism operates under the assumption that their will be a total Fascist takeover of the Imperial Core in which Bourgeois Liberal Democracy is permanently suspended that will lead to an inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (In both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPW is currently viable, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW will not be viable until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended with these events being connected and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first Map I posted, the second Map I posted specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, while the third Image I posted shows the version of the Two-State Solution to the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict implemented in the future Global USSR with the Zionist State overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced by a Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps that are very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in both my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted and the second Image I posted that specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “Triangle” region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>>2578104
i also want to be killed by maid :(

>>2578146
Maids are unproductive workers. They generate their money not through productive work but directly from the money of the landlord. Why do you want to be killed by the servants of the bourgeoisie?

>>2578147
because the uniforms are cute, just put on the uniform and kick me already

>>2578104
>National Post



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https://youtu.be/zujUUI0WEvk?si=fjBXtg1ojh_bLowi
THE NEW YORK CITY HAS FALLEN O ALGO, NOW THESE CHURKAS ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE AL-GEBRA ON US OR HOWEVER


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Living in an housing complex with 20 people and 2 showers, a sense of control is needed, if there was 30 showers, there would be no control needed.

Abundance and public ownership would create less of a need for police. I get that, but really I can't see the abolition of police because some guy will get always get drunk and do stupid shit
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>>2578011
You're panicing because someone pointed out you think brain and brawn subtract from eachother.

ACAB, though some police can do some humorous things every once in a while

>people will be hecking gooderino if we give them more stuff

Naive as fuck

police is the only thing I agree with MLoids with




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Looking for an independent (OR AT LEAST NOT WESTERN) war news RSS with links that can embed on sites. I'm looking for a news site that can warn about the threat of a nuclear war incoming and that does non-biased war journalism like Patrick Lancaster.

Give me some site recommendations and please no shit like anarchistfederation or some shitty trot "socialist news" site. I want a site that is frequent in news reports and covers war journalism.

RSS feed me PLEASE GIVE ME LINKS

>>2577952
>that can embed on sites
Aren't you asking for an RSS feed? That'd be a different program, or you're asking for opengraph, which is a different protocol, so you want a publication that does RSS and Opengraph. RSS doesn't itself contain opengraph, it'd be in the meta tags of the documents the RSS feed lists off.
>>2577981
Be patient, I don't know a feed with that criterion myself but someone here probably does.

>>2578046
>Aren't you asking for an RSS feed? That'd be a different program, or you're asking for opengraph, which is a different protocol, so you want a publication that does RSS and Opengraph.
An RSS feed for a news site, the site's articles should embed when uploaded onto various social medias when linked broadly speaking. Though any RSS feed for a trustworthy war journalism will do I will just test to see if it works or not.



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