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Besides Cockshott and maybe Richard Wolff, are there any good, academic, Marxist economists who are worth reading and can be used in debates to defend Marxism?
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>>2539276
>so what?
if a british economist denies labor aristocracy what does that do for worker organizing? you really dont think this is an issue?

>>2539250
>Hickel
you know hes not a communist right? and he didn't come up with unequal exchange

>>2539273
they pretty much said that. the problem is trollanon misrepresents marx not that he disagrees

God why does every discussion of communist economics devolves into this bullshit of arguing about definitons and namedropping "intellectuals".

From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. Simple as. If you disagree, you get shot.

>>2539277
>if a british economist denies labor aristocracy what does that do for worker organizing? you really dont think this is an issue?
British labor power being of higher value than Indian labor power does not negate the fact that British workers are exploited. on the contrary - they are far heavily exploited than their Indian comrades

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>>2539156
Is this 'money' like food stamps or what? Nowadays food stamps are needed only for poor people don't have enough money to buy food. Do you wanna make all of us poor, forcing us live in a queue just to get food? Your socialism isn't good duuude.



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I know.. I know..

It’s just that I’m going to keep posting on Trump’s truth social with Greta Thunberg communist propaganda is all.. Do not wait for leaders like him to save you. They will not. They have shown us who they are. Instead, take power back. Vote. Organize. Strike. Build. Speak. Act. Because the world does not need more billionaires pretending to be saviors — it needs ordinary people who refuse to be silent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>2538907
True, if she were born in the 30s or 40s she probably would’ve joined Che or Mao in combat

>>2538958
She is part Sami, a partially Mongoloid Uralic ethnic group
indigenous to northern Scandinavia that is characterized by the Lappid phenotype http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Lappid.html .

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stop objectifying a little girl you mutants

>>2539236
isn't she like 20

>>2539265

just because your niece turned 18 doesn't mean you're not still the creepy uncle



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
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bola nasi

>How To Lie Your Way to $4.5 Billion
>Jho Low is a fugitive. Believed to be hiding in Shanghai, living under a false identity with a forged Australian passport. This is the unbelievable story of how he stole $4.5 Billion from Malaysia and managed to get away with it.
The fucking sociopath did the Epistein tactic of appearing amidst celebrities, the wealthy and politicians (has a photo op with the Obamas). Produced The Wolf of Wallstreet remake. Stole $4.5 Billion from the infrastructure program of Malaysia. Escaped to social-imperialist China, still walking free.

>>2531162
wonder what he was able to offer them.

>>2523609
Is this not just an inevitability of neoliberalism?

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Epstein is connected to Israel, this is why Trump is covering it up. He doesn't want to risk the political fallout for Israel when people realize all of Epstein's clients were blackmailed and used as Israeli assets.

"The most concrete link is his relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Epstein and Barak met numerous times between 2013 and 2017, with Barak visiting Epstein’s properties in Florida and New York approximately 30 times, including a 2014 private flight in Florida. Barak received $2.3 million from an Epstein-associated foundation between 2004 and 2006, and Epstein invested $1 million in a limited partnership established by Barak in 2015.

Another connection stems from Epstein’s ties to Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, Robert Maxwell, was a British media mogul alleged to have had links to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad. Some sources, including former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe, have claimed Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a “honey-trap” operation for Mossad to blackmail influential figures. A lawsuit by a woman identified as Jane Doe 200 alleged Epstein boasted of being a Mossad agent.

Epstein was also associated with the Wexner Foundation, which supports Jewish leadership and has ties to Israel. His financial backer, Leslie Wexner, was a member of the “Mega Group,” a collection of Jewish philanthropists, which some, like former NSA counterspy John Schindler, have speculated was linked to Israeli intelligence operations. Epstein reportedly invested in an Israeli startup, Reporty Homeland Security (later rebranded as Carbyne), connected to Israel’s defense industry, further fueling speculation."
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I can see that.

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>>2411685
Surprised to see this bullshit of Amerikkkans being victims of the zionist entity they created, you aren't victims you are part of the problem

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>need to develop productive forces for communism to happen
>this fucks up the earth and nature

how do we reconcile this as gommunists? whenever I see people calling for protecting the amazon there is an argument that the people cutting down the trees are just trying to make a living.
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>>2538558
I noticed you fail to bring up Romania. Curious, as their anti-reproductive rights laws were moat in line with your preferences.

>>2538504
Thanks anon! I'll give it a read later. Do you happen to have a copy of Kohei Saito's "Capitalism in the Anthropocene"? That one's been on my backlog too.

>>2538558
>imperialists took control of that country and began pursuing a policy of degrowth, depopulation and genocide
Buzzing with buzzwords


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>>2538558
>degrowth, depopulation and genocide
<genocide is when elective abortion



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Obviously they're criminals and looting our countries, but they've always struck me as competent nonetheless due to maintaining hegemony and working towards a grander scheme. However, I'm coming to the realization that the current batch is not just looting us, but that they're genuinely incompetent. Was it Kissinger's death that turned the tide? Were they simply duped by the techies? What in the fuck happened?
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>oligarchs
back to /pol/ you go

>>2538189
When were they competent? Trump's personality formed during the peak of American dominance, most people who are in power right now are the same. These people are also quite sheltered and distant from society. There are many very basic things about modern society and culture they don't know. Trump may not even know how to use a web browser, that's how old he is. He is a member of the ruling class from the very best glory days of capitalism, he was active in political circles for many years before he got elected. British ruling class still gets maids to jack them off in bed like the aristocracy did in the 1700s. That's why figures like Bismarck are so legendary and historically important.

>>2539107
hes still competent since he can basically convince half the country to do anything. not to mention stephen miller and all the ppl behind him are doing all his policy decisions

>>2538933
Maybe /po/ (from dvach)?

>>2539142
the ones that got to leftypol from that grim place probably wouldn't complain about the "ineffectiveness" of their pork variety



 

The pro PRC anons here, are coping. There won't be a Chinese century. China today increasingly resembles a kind of Dengist Brezhnev stagnation: a system originally built for rapid mobilization and catch-up growth that now faces diminishing returns, bureaucratic inertia, and structural rigidity.

The Dengist growth model was revolutionary and finite

Deng Xiaoping’s post-1978 reforms unleashed:

- Market incentives within a planned framework
- Export-oriented industrialization
- Massive investment and urbanization
- Pragmatic central control (black cat, white cat…)

For 30+ years, that model delivered almost miraculous catch-up growth, exactly as Stalinist heavy industry did for the USSR in the 1930s-1960s, or as Brezhnev inherited in the 1970s.

But, like the Soviet system under Brezhnev, China’s model has:

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>>2536895
>Read the freaking Chinese constitution
Ok
<After the founding of the People’s Republic of China, our country gradually achieved the transition from a new democratic society to a socialist society. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on an alliance of workers and peasants, which in essence is a dictatorship of the proletariat, has been consolidated and developed

>>2534172
It's always anfem flags.

>>2538613
Why do workers even need to strike in a DoTP? What do they strike against?

The West hasn't collapsed after 50 years of stagnation and declining social cohesion. So what if China growth starts slowing down? What would actually make China collapse is if they allow mass immigration, especially of Indians

>>2538673
NEP + DotP is compatible.



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There's a division between:
1. The "based right", who supposedly fight for the white race and the cuckservative Christian society that da joos are trying to destroy Adolf Schicklgruber, Trump and Jesus are jews btw.
2. The «soy left», who support BLM, LGBT, feminism, and so on.

If you look objectively and remove all the propaganda and stereotypes, you can understand that the right is about licking the boyar's boot and persecuting those who are not part of their agenda.
The left, after all, is about some kind of utopia. The left supports the rights of the marginalized, such as gays and trans people, who don't fit into the right's agenda. Any negro will be smarter than a nazi unter, so racism is pointless and there's no need to support it (I think an artist from Africa and a European one will be closer to each other than an artist from Europe and a European office worker). The stereotypical feminist agenda of equal rights and responsibilities is much better than the t0rahditional family (even if this agenda is not reality). It's better than living in a world where women have no rights and are forced to stay at home, while men are forced to work and fight.

In general, if you see MSM coverage of a movement being discredited, take an objective look. Perhaps this movement is being deliberately created to discredit a good goals.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

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>>2539027
>Any negro will be smarter than a nazi unter(mensch)
HEY I WROTE THAT LONG AGO HERE. Did you memorize my post?

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>>2539028
> HEY I WROTE THAT LONG AGO HERE. Did you memorize my post?
No, it’s just great minds think alike

Bump

Trump is so old his grandpa was born in 1869. Jesus Christ.



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In the two years since ChatGPT and DeepSeek were released, we have observed some significant quantitative leaps.

The use of commercial AI has allowed many people to bring their fantasies to reality through the use of "AI Slop." This has created a divide in the artistic sphere by sparking debates over AI art and whether it should be considered art.

AI has made accessing knowledge more convenient, as it can scan the internet to provide the information you desire. However, it has also made people less knowledgeable, as they become too lazy to do the research themselves.

There has also been an ongoing project to implement AI into the military-industrial complex, which has created Project Maven (or similar). This can only be described as a mechanized executioner.

Not to mention that AI systems can be of great importance to future socialist experiments, as we know that the quantitative leaps produced by AI can create qualitative changes.

In other words, this thread is about discussing the importance of AI in the future socialist experiment and what your opinion on it is.
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>>2538598
>The perfect way to eliminate the problem of excess labor, which is the fundamental problem that the modern ruling classes have.
and who's going to maintain their giant automated systems after we're gone? Them? doubt.

>>2538535
>what your opinion on it is
My opinion is that we do not need a weekly iteration of an 'AI' thread that in the end only is about LLM and people discussing a topic they have no technical expertise to discuss whatsoever.

>>2538535
>The use of commercial AI has allowed many people to bring their fantasies to reality through the use of "AI Slop."
It didn't "allow" anything, it just made the "what if what I make isn't goad enough" hurdle weirder by giving an instant option that will leave them unsatisfied, but then further paralyzed to take any other route of implementation because the AI can emulates things people consider their own beginner art to lack: rendering, backgrounds, greebles, etc… so the effort barrier is out of whack when it's an option.
>This has created a divide in the artistic sphere by sparking debates over AI art and whether it should be considered art.
On twitter, maybe. No one really debates that anymore. Art is just a form of communication, and AI is just a very vauge and indirect one that doesn't actually need a sender, and thus raises issues on the internet–a massive communication machine–that senderless and thus incommunicative communication is better at search engine optimization, and thus building the internet around search engines and supermassive, unmoderatable platforms that curate on the same principal as search engines was a mistake and we'll need to adapt to using an internet that doesn't have either.
>AI has made accessing knowledge more convenient
If you have to do the same research to vet it anyway then it's just a pointless step. All it did was make "it came to me in a dream" socially accepatble among twitterites.
>Not to mention that AI systems can be of great importance to future socialist experiments, as we know that the quantitative leaps produced by AI can create qualitative changes.
This paragraph does not convey information.

That said, machine learning has always been useful and will continue to be, there's a reason the USSR dabbled in it. AI, thoughever, is a marketing term and there's no place for commercial advertisement under socialism. So no, AI won't survive the bubble.

Since machine learning can be used for weather forecasting stuff (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08252-9) maybe it could be useful for brain-to-computer interface Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

if anything LLMs have become an obstacle to AI development, also we have an AI thread on tech. polite sage

>>2538932
>there's a reason the USSR dabbled in it
If all the libs promoting 'AI' did any research and realized how much of the groundwork for ML was done by commies, they'd dismiss this shit immediatly lol.

>Since machine learning can be used for weather forecasting stuff

Especially forecasting with ML is kinda iffy, imho, and most papers that conclude with 'our model outperforms tested method XYZ' seem not to hold what they promise when put into production and faced by new, unseen data.



 

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>>2537213
What manfacturer is it? So I can never buy them
>>2535942
Belgian? If I were half belgian I would have stayed there.
>>2535947
>>2535972
Rent free out of three, with some random nonsense on top.

>>2538026
Bernie lost. I know shocking your dog hasn't helped gain favour by the masses but you gotta accept that

>>2538023
>I literally don't give a shit.
you finally went full me ne frego
congrats

>>2535903
Friendly reminder that while the sacking of Rome by Visigoths in 410 CE was felt as an apocalyptic catastrophe by contemporaries, the actual final end of the [Western] Roman Empire 65 years later… was not even noticed by the majority of the people who had lived on its territories. They just thought they are having yet another normal emperor succesion crisis and some average barbarian uprisings. Then the crisis went on for generations, then centuries, then, when Charlemagne finally becames Emperor… turns out most people already forgot how to speak Latin and the Senate building is, somehow, a church now.

…I think that 9/11 hijackers were the "Visigoths" of the USAmerican empire.

>>2537922
Something about liberals using the word oligarch pisses me off. A defanged and useless non-critique of capitalism.



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