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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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>>2545081
What a lot of garbage. The ACP are fascist clowns at it's 100% on the Houthis for chosing them. You're just a hazoid faggot.

>>2545093
keep seething firstie

>>2545060
>the same dude who said that native americans deserved it.
engels?

>>2542929
Ah yes the PCF widely known for their anti-patriotism of which the highlight were the 2022 elections lol
Who are you kidding

>>2545060
>I never saw nor heard of anyone
True, you need to go out more.



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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
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>Paul Cockshott
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>>2529643
MZT is a dead ideology, much like Karl Marx Thought is. Marxism is constantly evolving, so it is no surprise that the CPC is as well
>That's not what central planning in the context of Marxism is.
the word "planning" has multiple meanings. the CPC has rejected the old method of planning. that doesn't mean it has rejected planning. there are new methods of planning yet to be implemented
what we will need to do is come up with is methods to fully centralize planning. this was not possible in the 1920's, nor in the 1950's, when the USSR and the PRC respectively instituted their planning systems. these were systems of the old kind. they were highly decentralized. they used aggregate indicators and disaggregation of arrived at allocations to make the planning process tractable. today we would not do this. today we have the IT necessary to 1) fully centralize planning and to 2) fully disaggregate planning. we would also not cuck to exchange by substituting planning with exchange as the Liberman reforms did. attempts at doing so must be combated
despite the call for disaggregation above, there will unavoidably be many goals set in aggregate terms. it is not possible for any decision body to decide on every little detail everywhere. what we can do is set goals like "increase rail transport capability by 50% by 2030". this is an aggregate constraint. the details of this would need to be handled by railway workers. but said details must also go into the one, single, global, centralized planning system, so that the exact need for say steel for rails can be checked against production capabilities and against environmental constraints and so on. the long term effects of say concrete vs wooden sleepers must be evaluated against this singular planning system. any attempt at "decentralizing" such a process always amounts to exchange

can we out-compete capitalism somehow using cybernetics? kind of like the bourgeoisie did with capitalism?

>>2529887
there is potential to create something that is better at regulating production than capitalism is. Capital has various blind spots. Capital also likes to create crises

>>2529643
Should we expect communist states to change the entire global mode of production at a moment's notice? Honestly, I dunno if Cuba, China, and DPRK combined have the means.

Cybernetic economic planning is already being used by the world bank via linear regressions and optimized via ai. Demand forecasting also turns big data into big business. All of this is autism that could be channeled towards making you look like a quant wallstreet big shot.



 

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Why are some of the people who are commenting on the China-US deal saying that a big win for China was that the US will stop doing something in April 2026?
lmao, imagine giving the US something in return for an IOU six months down the line. Couldn't be me. I'm not gullible.

>>2545091
Because the BIS 50% Rule, which was about to place tens of thousands of Chinese companies on an entity list, cutting them off from banks and payment systems, got pulled back after the rare earth retaliation.
This gives China time to recalibrate in peace. And China CAN recalibrate because this is just an infrastructural dollar issue, while the US cannot recalibrate the rare earths - so they are in no danger of US changing their mind. They will both try to engage in the divorce but only China will succeed in the same period (even Russia did it under the same pressure).

Western media is dogshit and didn't report on the BIS 50% Rule which was done after the Madrid agreement, making it extra inflammatory. Western media didn't report this because they wanted to portray China as lashing out for no reason (and reading this thread they succeeded since even here nobody talks about BIS 50% Rule) and also because the full context was humiliating. US thought they'd get away with such a backstabbing undiplomatic act after they promised no new measures but then China kneecapped them in an instant.

If you start shit but then get repelled, with all of your measures being cancelled then you are the one who lost.

China bans its biggest tech companies from acquiring Nvidia chips, says report — Beijing claims its homegrown AI processors now match H20 and RTX Pro 6000D
>The Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC), the country’s top internet regulator, has reportedly banned its biggest tech companies, including ByteDance and Alibaba, from buying Nvidia’s AI chips. According to the Financial Times, the CAC said that these institutions should stop testing the new RTX Pro 6000D and cancel their orders, even though several companies had already indicated their interest in purchasing tens of thousands of these GPUs, which were set to replace the H20 after it was banned (but before it was unbanned again). This goes against the initial reports that reception for the more affordable AI China-specific GPU was lukewarm — instead, it turns out that the central government was blocking the purchase of these graphics cards. This new ban comes just weeks after companies were directed to stop ordering Nvidia H20 chips, too.
>Beijing reportedly believes that homegrown AI chip makers, like Huawei and Cambricon, now produce chips that have comparable performance to Nvidia’s China-only products. And although Team Green might still have an advantage with its software stack, other Chinese tech giants like Tencent are pushing to build their own infrastructure to replace that. Because of these developments, China’s chip makers are ramping production in anticipation of the glut of orders coming from companies that need AI chips but can’t purchase Nvidia products.
>This news comes soon after the country accused Nvidia of breaking its anti-monopoly law, with the chipmaker facing fines of up to 10% of its China revenue.
>Chinese industry leaders believe that this move is part of the central government’s effort to break free from American technology and boost its homegrown semiconductor industry. “The message is now loud and clear,” one executive told the Financial Times. “Earlier, people had hopes of renewed Nvidia supply if the geopolitical situation improves. Now it’s all hands on deck to build the domestic system.”
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>>2545261
Old news. But very based how they told Nvidia to fuck off with their downgraded scraps.

Once this shit bubble pops it's taking out the entire country in a nuclear blast. It's gonna make the Dotcom bubble look like a fucking joke.



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2541164
:DЄ====8

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Die süße Ines Schwerdtner wird älter

Man hat aufgegeben die Falten im Gesicht mit Make up zu überdecken

Aber für das dass sie bald 40 ist, hat sie sich eher wenig seit ihren 15 jährigen ich verwendet

>>2544440
*verändert

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Palästina hat noch nicht gelernt divers zu sein. Monokulturen und Nationalismus führen ins Verderben. Für ein internationales und vielfäliges Palästina!



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Besides Cockshott and maybe Richard Wolff, are there any good, academic, Marxist economists who are worth reading and can be used in debates to defend Marxism?
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>>2545001
>the usual context
clearly you are unfamiliar with the context
not a new idea
hence the "re"

do you have a point or just nitpicking?

>>2545006
>usual context
The usual context being the discussions on this website you fucking autist.
>point
The idea with the lumpen and the like is not reintroduced by you lmao, it has been tried constantly and it's getting tried right now. You are not aware of that because you don't see the results. And you don't see them because there aren't any.

>>2545012
>the discussions on this website
which you are clearly not familiar with. the post i linked is 6 months old and the screenshot is even older. your assumptions only make sense if you think youtubers are the whole discussion. now i wonder if you are another one of our reddit ultraleft newfriends or just happen to accidentally agree with them lol
>The idea with the lumpen
are gig workers lumpen? are people with two minimum wage part time jobs lumpen?
>you don't see the results. And you don't see them because there aren't any.
and we also dont see any results organizing the traditional proletariat.


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>>2540388
>"Creating value" entails production for the sake of production to exchange for money
so to put it another way, value is determined by what we purchase in a market.
>>2540399
mining costs do not represent market price:
>In Q2’24, dare it be written, All-In Sustaining Costs (AISC) rose again, creeping up by 1% q/q, or a more substantial 6% y/y to US$1,388/oz.
https://www.gold.org/goldhub/gold-focus/2024/10/gold-cost-drivers-veritable-pick-and-mix
<Gold Price per Ounce: £3,049
https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-price/gold-price-chart-ounce-gbp/
so demand is higher than the rate of supply.



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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2545100
>>2545109
>“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.” -

>>2545098
Yep, Deng saved China from more ideological degeneration.

>>2542234
>Y'know Wolfenstein had the same "Pregnant woman firing some heavy machine gun" thing and I really don't know what people see in the aesthetic. Seems pretty off-putting in my opinion.
Is it portrayed positively in OBAA? A point is made that the same character abandons her responsibilities as a parent (when the daughter is born) to keep figting her revolution.
Obviously portrayed negatively in other aspects after that, such as the affair and being trigger happy.

just watched this movie. the only thing political is maybe in the first fifteen minutes (and even then it's pointless radical cool hip and sexy anarchism), they use the word imperialist once throughout the movie and after the first fifteen minutes it's a retarded and contrived action movie about some nazifascistic cabal and le epic heroes which fight over some racial bs
waste of money
just watch inherent vice

>>2545142
Likewise everywhere, yet only a branch gets the finger pointed at it



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Dogmatism might be the worst poison that could happen to a revolutionary front be it a party or an org.
By Dogmatism I mean the tendency to lay down policies as undeniably true path of socialism and later communism, something like this happened in the USSR were the materialist dialectic was confined into a sort of dogmatic recipe which China thankfully avoided.
The path to socialism is about dealing with policies and contradictions and what would the result be and how should we react, it is not a simple recipe in which you need to do X and Y exactly like how [insert failed experiment] did it
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>>2532842
I'm gonna be dogmatically anti-dogmatic.

>>2545079
Go cry about immigration like in that other thread, kek

>>2545136
Actually I was the person telling the nativist they deserve to die

>>2545079
the fact that china would constantly threaten to invade the USSR is insane. how do MLoids cope with this fact.

>>2545079
>“pragmatic” (opportunistic)
real gomunism haz never bean tired



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What has your political journey been like?
Pic related is based on what I read a lot of: mainly Camus’s The Rebel, Stirner’s The Ego and Its Own, Bookchin’s Ecology of Freedom, Lenin’s State and Revolution, and Trotsky’s Revolution Betrayed. But I started with Marx’s Communist Manifesto.
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>>2543405
so by your own words you became retarded.

ŕight lolbert (until i became 14) >> democratic ""socialist"" bernie bro (reddit made me have a psychosis agaisnt tankies, aka newest astroturf) >> (knowing the existence of ian neves) >> ""marxism"" - ""leninism"" (dengist revisionism) >> anti revisionist hoxhaism (actual marxism)

>>2544724
>""leninism"" (dengist revisionism) >> anti revisionist hoxhaism (actual marxism)
what convinced you

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>>2539934
from Marx to Hitler

>>2544946
blood lies by grover furr, then eurocommunism is anti-communism. hoxha was right on those brezhnevite fascists and liberals like kosygin



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Most MSM, AI LLM trained on shit, resources online point to the fake narrative that ukraine (the borderlands, formerly wild lands or dikoe pole) has some kind of lineage tied to Kievan Rus and that it was not entirely a fabrication by the USSR. It is a fake nation that speaks a russian dialect and fabricated its own history and identity. Give me books to prove this right because it is the truth, give me books and resources, english russian whatever,
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>>2514578
shut up you commie pidoras

>>2543484
damn dude nearly every single point you made is false

>>2514422
If anything Russia is a completely artificial state with Moscow ruling its colonies.


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>a fake nation
as opposed to a "real nation"?
nationalism began in 1789 and as a movement its not over yet, with the youngest nation in the world being south sudan, established in 2011. if a people assert their self-determination, why should it be opposed?



 

A strip club in TN is giving away Wal Mart gift cards to moms who lose SNAP benefits as long as they get up on stage and strip. I really want to know how "sex work is work" leftists will justify this, and continue to say sex work is like any other job, especially when the loss of SNAP benefits is going to disproportionately hurt disabled mothers, and mothers of color.
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if sex work is wrong then does inceldom become morally progressive?

>sex work
*Prostitution

I think you are getting things mixed up here. A Marxist would criticize sex work as capitalism turning people (and most of them are women) into a commodity while acknowledging socioeconomic circumstances that drive people into a position to have to sell their bodies, instead of condemning these people like right wingers would as filthy and dirty individuals who have failed some patriarchal and Christian ideal or whatever. Marxists ultimately seek to abolish sex work in the long term while not playing into patriarchal values that are mere bourgeois constructs. It‘s liberals who see it as a pure culture war matter, where they rightfully oppose the dehumanizing right wing perspective of sex workers, but without any outlook to overcome capitalism eternalize the matter and therefore see as the only solution to invert the value judgement. Sex work then becomes empowering and respectable, despite the fact that all sex workers are put through severe mental toll and some of them die.

>>2544765
That is a myth that was spread in the early 2000s when Germany declared sex work a legal occupation. But unemployed people are not offered brothel jobs and such jobs are also not a part of mandatory job placements.

>>2544671
I don't know any leftist who supports this type of exploitation. This is a capitalistic endeavor between a strip club and wal mart. A better option would've been to release the files and keep the government open but orange wants violence at the expense of children, the elderly, the permanently disabled or anyone deemed unfit, the single mother is the example the propagandists make the rule. If a woman is stripping and people are willing to pay she sure as hell doesn't need to strip for wal mart.



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