/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2586155
>>2586146
if you think they're more relevant than everyone else you might be terminally online or just shilling them with slightly more subtlety now that the irrefutable reactionary nature of their grifter streamer leadership has been elaborated upon multiple times

>>2586159
>Make unsubstantiated claims
>Prefix them with "objectively" or "material"
That's pretty much the crux of what passes for argumentation or analysis on here.

It's a goddamn shame because the whole point of dialectical materialism is to avoid the kind of vibes based assertions of shit like "The Protestant Work Ethic" and grounding political thought in reality. Instead it's used by a few as window dressing for the same vibe based assumptions.

>>2586166
>>2586167
Y'know what fucking blows my mind is the ACP will make bizarre exclamations
>"Gays are naturally imperialist"
>"America is some authoritarian collectivist Eurasianist state"
They'll proclaim themselves "MAGA Communists" and you'll get absolutely childish people here saying "Erm, they're objectively to the left of the CPUSA".

I think this boils down to people not even in leftist orgs trying to dictate what the wider movement "should look like"

>>2586172
It like… HAS to be solely keyboard warrior shit, right? How much of this even happens irl? Is this just another permutation of the "marketplace of ideas"?

>>2586174
Yknow I think an awful lot about what an older comrade once told me, which amounted to: "The most radical thing you can say doesn't necessarily mean the most radical thing you can do.." I'd say people who aren't in parties but consider themselves "Marxist-Leninists" are attracted more to the aesthetic of politics than actual politics.

And the ACP is a great source of aesthetics for them, they're throwing their logo on everything, they're waving their flags around, its a full social media blitz. Most importantly they always swagger about like they're "winning" and act like every tiny advance is a huge momentum shifting victory.

It's great for people who are more concerned with vibes I'd say.

>>2586100
cheers

>>2585127
You be cloppin?

>>2584892
le ornage man bad

>>2585751
Huge assumptions here. Russia-Ukraine conflict is more important for anti-imperialism than Palestine.

>>2586046
it might be more important for ending US hedgemony but its nowhere near as blatant and obvious as Israel.

>>2585997
Orange retard is a liberal. Liberals bad.

>>2553798
>memecommunists on tiktok
who gives a fuck about the politically inert?

>>2565089

children usually tend to grow up

>>2565093
>memecommunists are only children
lol just look at this place

>>2565099

I rather not know the answer to that tbh

>>2556055
Why specifically the song Down Under? Is it because it's by "Men At Work?

>>2570834
sneed

Left-wing terrorism is back on the menu. Columbine created a generation of school shooters, the Christchurch shooting was part of a pattern of white nationalist terror. If the same disaffected young men eager to throw their life away see that the rich and powerful could be valid targets—and worse yet, be praised by the people for it—then they may switch targets.

>>2570829
The American Dream

>>2570821 (OP)
Fuck off, Luigi was with me and the guy they got they accused of killing those zionists. Not even in the country. We were watching movies. all were fit up to cover for police incompetence..

is it 'coincidence' that UAE is involved in creating a South Arabia state. involved in Somalia (Puntland) Somaliland, Sudan, and has a base in Eritrea?

>>2585966
Is it a coincidence that Russia, China, Qatar and Iran are also involved in raping Sudan? Must be the Jews again

>>2585966
read this and linked articles
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uae-yemen-somalia-circle-bases-control-gulf-of-aden
>>2585980
kill yourself for making shit up

UAE influencers don't even hide it

>>2586019
Now show the tweet it was replying to :^)

>>2585839
hes literally a cia asset

>>2585848
State assets are bourgeoisie tools in a bourgeoisie dictatorship. In USA there is facade of independent institutions while in Russia FSB is the bourgeoisie. They call FSB officers the new aristocracy.

>>2585839
He is a capitalist.

he represents an internal contradiction on the right - he is a staunch anti-communist attempting realise popper's "open society" to globalise american hegemony - yet the pro-capitalist right hate him (because he's a jew or something).

>>2585839
real knowers understand people like soros are ultimately helpful to communism

>>2584174
You see, Smith Anon does not distinguish how different averages work. It's all a big mess in his head. Here is the solution (not very complicated, but he probably won't read it because he is a seething butthurt narcissist): There are time averages and parts averages.

Time average: We follow something over time and look at its average state (conceptually such always exists, but it might not be an actually happening state you can point at and say "now").
Parts average: We divide some sum between components that in aggregate make up the sum to get the average part (again it conceptually exists, but not necessarily in the sense of something you can point at).

If we imagine a very stupid person, we can imagine that person to be stunned by this distinction, because sometimes making the distinction is not necessary. Suppose a thousand people are all doing coin flips. Assuming unbiased coins, whether we check the time average of one guy doing the experiments or check a snapshot of the group, we can expect the data to look about the same. (By the way, processes that have the property that both checks amount to the same are called ergodic processes. Is capitalism ergodic? No.)

The average Marx talked about in the bit that perplexes Smith Anon is a parts average (as was gracefully and tastefully alluded to in post >>2582003 with the elevator story).

In Capital III, Marx worked with a model that assumes that profit rates equalize. It's a good question how strong the tendency of profit to equalize really is and so it's also a good question how useful that model is. Either way, the parts average exists, irrespective of how strong or weak the profit-rate equalizing tendency is because it is a MOTHAFUKEN PARTS AVERAGE.

Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios. This is due to different organic composition of capital in different firms. If we counterfactually assume equal organic composition everywhere, we can have equalized profit rates and priPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2580089
Apparently Posadas never heard of radiation and nuclear winter

>>2580116
>radiation
cures CO2 pollution
>nuclear winter
reverses global warming

>>2580116
Most areas not directly hit by nukes would not have radiation levels high enough to be a direct threat beyond way higher cancer rates in the future, and most hit areas would go back to safer levels after 2 months. From his point of view nuclear winter would force the remaining humans to band together because they would be forced too in a post nuclear world for survival, because the only other option would be death. Though I don't understand how he thinks it would result in socialist communities forming after when I think things would just return to feudalism instead at that point.

>>2580089
Destroying the productive forces is something the capitalists do 🙄.
Communists support the development of the productive forces.

>>2580364
Capitalists' fault for imbuding their mode of production into literally every facet of society, They literally left us no other option. The world will be debased and scoured as the losers claim their prize.

>>2579981
>>2579840
Mods ban these falsifiers NOW!

>>2580844
The mods are falsifiers howeverbeit

>>2580605
The sad thing is that if you read marx its pretty clear he’s commenting on the revolutionary and militant working class movements that existed a long time before he ever entered politics and which all of european society was being forced to respond to

>>2579840
>>2579840
>Working class and proletariat do not mean exactly the same.
Nationalist, retard

>>2579375
>>2580605
>>2585598
IMO the simple answer is that the bourgeoisie were still largely historically progressive at the time. Marx was a visionary but the transition from the bourgeoisie to the proletariat as the revolutionary subject was a process that has taken much longer than Marx expected. I think that today the proletariat are the revolutionary subject much more than they were in the past.