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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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>>2591245
Anytime Anon 😎

anons are you more enticed to read an article if someone posts the title and the lede or if someone more or less posts the entire article?

>>2592082
for me chances are higher when the content is posted

Living in small communes without a state = bliss. But there are too many people on this planet. With many people, you need a state. How to solve this problem?

>>2591871
>nowhere does marx distinguish between personal and private property
thats just playing semantics, in context people understands that personal property is for personal use and private property refer to means of production
that guy >>2589231 actually had the best answer for this thread



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What even is the point of this shit anymore? The great turdworld cope that China, Russia, India and maybe Turkey and Brazil is gonna team up into an anti imperialist avenger and destroy the Epsteinian McWorld AmeriKKKa imposed upon us has been shattered to pieces, none of these guys do anything to defend Iran when the Iranians were bombed by the "Israelis", Russia is playing footsy with the US and India and China are more focused with exploiting their neighbours than confronting blatant American overreach under Trump. Any response that does exist is mostly scattered and reactive (i.e buying gold to protect from Fed interest rates) rather than proactive (i.e doing currency swaps and bond liquidation to harm the greenback).
In absence of any hope in changing the global world order i have seen third worldists now retreating and openly defending national bourgeoisie in the name of anti imperialism (such as Korotaev defending Ukrainian oligarchs as barrier against US investments, etc) and it's like …. We are against imperialism not just because we hate the US. We are against the US because American imperialism encouraged corruption and extractivism in the Third World, while American backed Bourgeois organizations crack down on labour rights world wide. Playing defense for corrupt and extractivist oligarchs in the third world in the name of building productive forces, that just undercut the reason why so many people became anti imperialist in the first place.
And as global crises started to ramp up, with metabolic drift and climate change ruining shit, the old rhetorics of building productive capability and bourgeois nationalism is just not gonna be relevant for long. This whole thing is a dead end politically.
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>>2591705
Your "I'm above it all, don't have opinions on anything" stance is the most retarded of all"

>>2591741
pretty much

Every post by a westerner on here proves Mirsaid Sultan correct

When people here complain about third worldism they are usually complaining about very straightforward Leninism, something to keep in mind

>>2592128
Any straightforward Leninist analysis is going to conclude that the proletariat is nowhere near the majority of the population in any NATO+ nation



 

https://abolishthedea.com

MODERN DAY BRUTALITY ON A WORLDWIDE SCALE

The policy (the so-called 'War on Drugs') is built on a gross deception: that drugs other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine comprise a unique group of substances that present an unacceptable risk to health and welfare. This is wholly incorrect: alcohol and tobacco are the most dangerous drugs in existence. The criminalisation of associations with substances other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine creates a criminal underclass that is the resource for the strategy.

The so-called 'War on Drugs' has absolutely nothing to do with drug use or drug-related harm of any kind: it is purely a worldwide economic system based on intentionally-created crime.

It results in mass imprisonment, fining, asset forfeiture, execution, wars, state-sanctioned murder and endemic violence etc. It provides the pretext under which huge sums of public money are allocated and sustains a massively profitable black market in substances other than alcohol, tobacco and caffeine.

The US oppresses its own citizens under the name of the policy and this oppression extends worldwide, with governments forced to oppress their own citizenry or be chastised and threatened by the US through the United Nations.

Those who profit from or otherwise wish for the so-called 'War on Drugs' to continue constantly proffer the falsehood that the strategy is related to substance use and the prevention and minimisation of drug-related harm. Those who profit from the oppression of others include but are not limited to enforcement organisations and the prison industry, the legal and welfare systems, academia and a plethora of other industries.

The phenomenon continues due to the power and ruthlessness of the US and its ability to generate economic activity. Its true motives are kept hidden via the mass complicity of governments, the press and those who profit from it.
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>>2591578
settle down,beavis







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>>2590567
Immerhin geht's ohne Stottern und um 360°-Verhaspeln. Wenn man Merkel für irgendwas nen Orden verleihen sollte dann dafür, daß sie uns Merz, Koch, Guttenberg & Co. wenigstens für ne Weile vom Hals gehalten hat, wenn auch nicht nachhaltig. Koch ruiniert als Manager in der "Freien Wirtschaft" erfolgreich Baufirmen, Merz hat es leider doch noch ins Kanzleramt geschafft und der Plagiator treibt im Hintergrund als Lebenspartner von K. Reiche erneut sein Unwesen im Wirtschaftsministerium. 2028 dann AfD/CDU-Koalition - schlimmste Zeitlinie, auch wenn das zumindest Teilen der AfD-Wählerschaft die Augen darüber öffnen dürfte, was für ner Pseudoalternative sie aufgesessen sind. Die werden dann 2032 aber eher Freie Sachsen, Wertpapierunion und ähnlichen Krebs wählen, weil bei ihnen keinerlei Klassenbewußtsein vorhanden ist.

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Today I learned: Eberhard Liss from Karl-Marx-Stadt in the GDR invented the by neurobiology inspired Robotron, 4 years before Kohonen and Hopfield published their works on Neural Networks.

>>2591126
Interesting. Robotron was the DDR's biggest IT manufacturer. It was a partner of my school for ESP and PA classes, so i assembled PCBs @ Robotron for a short time. Where's that image from? Couldn't source it myself. There's some talk on German LinkedIn about an early AI patent from 1982 also by Eberhard Liss of Robotron. It's called "ASSOZIATIVE KOPPELMATRIX ZUM STRUKTURELLEN LERNEN UND ASSOZIIEREN AUS ERFAHRUNG". It's a neural network for machine learning. The pic you posted seems to be a different patent, but also related to machine learning/AI.

In other news: The German Communist Party just got all their bank accounts terminated. It's the latest case of "debanking" political opposition in Germany, some anti-war activists suffered it before as well, so did prominent rightoid activist Martin Sellner.
That's why communists must fiercely oppose the abolishment of physical/cash money.

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/513808.gls-bank-k%C3%BCndigt-der-dkp-kommunisten-ohne-konten.html

>>2591219
Got it from Ai chatter on LinkedIn as well.




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On Friday, December 12, 2025, the World Socialist Web Site, the online publication of the International Committee of the Fourth International, will launch Socialism AI, a chatbot that will use the power of amplified human cognition to advance the development of socialist consciousness in the international working class.

Socialism AI will expand and accelerate the education of workers, student youth, progressive intellectuals and artists on the basis of the world scientific outlook of Marxism. It will prepare them for the irrepressible escalation of the international class conflict.

For the ruling class, AI’s role creates new means of intensifying exploitation, displacing labor and increasing profits.

But, paradoxically, AI technology also makes possible an unprecedented expansion of knowledge and social consciousness.

Technology does not lead automatically to the improvement of the human condition. Without politically conscious mass action, guided by scientific Marxist theory, technological advances under capitalism intensify the exploitation of the working class and threaten the destruction of the planet.

Therefore, the problem of bringing into proper alignment the development of technology and the interests of the working class must be solved. The socialist movement must make use of the most advanced tools available for the education and unification of the working class.

That is the significance of Socialism AI, which will gather, clarify and make accessible the theoretical, historical and political experience of more than 150 years of the Marxist movement, above all, the heritage defended by the Fourth International.

Its aim is not to substitute technology for politics, or algorithms for revolutionary leadership. On the contrary, it is to assist the development of consciousness by overcoming the barriers of distance, language, specialization and time. A worker in Detroit, a student in São Paulo, a nurse in Johannesburg, a young intellectual in Mumbai will pose questions about theory, history, economics, philosophy and politics—and receive answers grounded not in the lies of the ruling class but in the scientific method of historical materialism and in the accumulated strategic experience of the international working class.
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>>2591994
Yes, and thus no one here gets what you're referencing.

>the year is 2027 the socialist AI slop took over and nobody actually read theory, only AI communist slop

Brutal, the march towards idiocracy continues strong as ever.

>>2592023
Someone pull up the Marx quote on the printing press

>>2592037
"The daily press and the telegraph, which in a moment spreads inventions over the whole earth, fabricate more myths (and the bourgeois cattle believe and enlarge upon them) in one day than could have formerly been done in a century.”
- Karl Marx

>>2592056
Imagine the telegraph but it doesn’t create value and destroys more jobs than it creates



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2590516
Then by using material dialectical analysis the French communists must live in the Goldilocks zone of the Loire banks after elimination of the local sexually insatiable nazis, the search must start there.

>>2590547
yes, but that involves the Fr*nch doing something sensible, which goes against their genetics.

>>2590516
Thank God for the proudly anti-nazi fascists in Vendée

qu'est-ce qu'on devrait faire à propos de la croissante violence perpétrée par des gangs criminels ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7l0nyxxygo

>>2592021
fait pas genre d'etre un francais et casse toi tocard



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Ripping the copper out Edition


>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

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>>2592061
source?

>>2592059
>uhh uhh you support democrats

Shut the fuck up. Tailing the more reactionary of the bourgeoisie parties doesn’t make you a communist or an anti-imperialist. All you do is jizz your pants over rightiods that stumble into a somewhat correct opinion.

>>2592134
>Tailing the more reactionary of the bourgeoisie parties doesn’t make you a communist
Nobody was saying that schizo


>>2592059
>he's good at lying
ok nobody cares



 

>Wants the Party to lead the revolution
So far so good

>Wants to establish councils/re-establish multiparty elections within the scope of socialism once the revolution abolishes capitalism

So far so good

>Wants to be worldwide so that the bourgeoisie can't establish itself somewhere else

So far so good

What's actually wrong with them ? Seems pretty consistent desu

>inb4 look at what they did during the 20/21th century!!!

The ML actions don't seem to have been this excellent too
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>>2591863
Yes, but with ulterior motives beyond just "helping russian speaking ukrainians". All capitalist nations have ulterior motives.

>>2591280
Functionally there is no difference between them and the Stalinites, especially since their main point of disagreement (the USSR) has been dead for 35 years. Trots and MLs are both constantly splitting, corrosively sectarian, and have had wildly differing opinions on everything.

>>2591307
they just posted this

>>2591863
Yeah and the U.S. Navy just defensively made off with a Venezuelan oil tanker.

>>2591286
I consider myself a MLoid and agree with anti-revisionists on a lot of things but what you are describing is real, they straight up end up doing great man theory when they say Khrushchev and Deng killed the international communist movement of the 20th century, when it was american imperialism that did that. Its true Khrushchev and Deng did damage it but anti-revisionists end up straight up using them as scapegoats and sweeping for the CIA sometimes.



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I'm probably going to get jumped but uh regardless, I'm feeling very frustrated because a lot of the more far left people i listen to keep saying to stop supporting stuff like DSA and junk and move to something more radical. but then they don't offer anything more radical, so we're just stuck in this feedback loop and i feel frustrated because i genuinely want to help. They keep saying that my arguments for not working on non-viable stuff is flawed but then they don't offer any alternatives and it's driving me up the wall. My main hope is that if a Dem Teaparty goes off, we can work on building actual space for third parties post trump. But I'm struggling on ways to do that, if any of you have any basic starter groups for a noobie demsoc like me please let me know. I wouldn't be here if i wasn't desperate
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>>2589387
Just be wary of any “oldheads”

>>2589217
That one anon is schizo
But yeah join some local org the DSA is fine. There's plenty of MLs in it.

>>2589392
You aren’t passing out “free candy” on my watch. Get.

>>2588894
I'm kind of in a similar situation to OP where people keep telling me to do direct action. But then they don't offer any examples of it and instead just keep saying "DSA is le bad" on repeat, So we're just stuck in a rock and a hard place. B.E live's latest video is a good example where he glazes Calla Walsh
but then doesn't tell people how to be like her.

>>2588894
this is directed at the thread in general and the glowies here:
1: Individually we can't solve the social issues we face
1.a Therefore our work needs to be done collectively and systematically rather than individually
2. Our first step as scattered communists is to gather ourselves together, since we at least know that the work (whatever it's nature) has to be done together
3. Communists alone, who are a small minority of the population, can't effect change alone, and especially not change that puts a majority class in power. It requires the active participation of a much larger segment of the working class.
3.a. Therefore we have to get a much larger segment of the working class on board with what we know needs to be done. This work can be generally described as education and organization
4. The existing state enforces bourgeois power and the exploitation of the working class.
4.a Therefore we need to at some point take material actions against the existing state
5. To put it all together, we need to unite as communists first, for the task of systematically educating the proletariat, and their education is towards the ends of taking effective action against the state in order to constitute our own state, and to use a new workers state to keep down the bourgeoisie and transform society

Step one is finding each other. Arguments about what collective action to take have no place getting in the way of step one, because they're a later issue. If you're an isolated communist them step one is getting hooked in. Afterwards you can argue about what to do. But generally everyone has similar ideas. Just be ware of adventurists who think communists can do everything alone, and movementists/liquidationists who deny the role of conscious communists and our collective action altogether in changing society.

Anyone who denies this is a fed



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Nation of Cults Edition


>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

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>>2586159
>Make unsubstantiated claims
>Prefix them with "objectively" or "material"
That's pretty much the crux of what passes for argumentation or analysis on here.

It's a goddamn shame because the whole point of dialectical materialism is to avoid the kind of vibes based assertions of shit like "The Protestant Work Ethic" and grounding political thought in reality. Instead it's used by a few as window dressing for the same vibe based assumptions.

>>2586166
>>2586167
Y'know what fucking blows my mind is the ACP will make bizarre exclamations
>"Gays are naturally imperialist"
>"America is some authoritarian collectivist Eurasianist state"
They'll proclaim themselves "MAGA Communists" and you'll get absolutely childish people here saying "Erm, they're objectively to the left of the CPUSA".

I think this boils down to people not even in leftist orgs trying to dictate what the wider movement "should look like"

>>2586172
It like… HAS to be solely keyboard warrior shit, right? How much of this even happens irl? Is this just another permutation of the "marketplace of ideas"?

>>2586174
Yknow I think an awful lot about what an older comrade once told me, which amounted to: "The most radical thing you can say doesn't necessarily mean the most radical thing you can do.." I'd say people who aren't in parties but consider themselves "Marxist-Leninists" are attracted more to the aesthetic of politics than actual politics.

And the ACP is a great source of aesthetics for them, they're throwing their logo on everything, they're waving their flags around, its a full social media blitz. Most importantly they always swagger about like they're "winning" and act like every tiny advance is a huge momentum shifting victory.

It's great for people who are more concerned with vibes I'd say.

>>2586100
cheers

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They’re all five fuck up cult that deserve to be bashed in their skull



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