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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2575222
>The use of tone indicators have allowed me to be more sarcastic, and I've seen the same in others. It's revitalizing sarcasm, not killing it.
neurotypicals don't want communicational metadata because they rely on a fundamentally dishonest style of communication which is a zero sum game for them and relies on a deliberately injected lack of clarity that they can always plausibly-retroactively-deny in order to attack you no matter which way you interpret them. If they say X and you think they mean A, you're wrong. If they say X and you think they mean B, you're also wrong. Lack of clarity allows them to construct games they always win. Look at how reactionaries always structure conversations this way. This is why they hate the autistic desire for clarity, and treat you as subhuman for wanting it.

I regularly witness how neurotypical children (and adults) do this to autistic children (and adults) in order to beat them down and rob them of confidence.

>>2575222
>The use of tone indicators have allowed me to be more sarcastic, and I've seen the same in others. It's revitalizing sarcasm, not killing it.
neurotypicals don't want communicational metadata because they rely on a fundamentally dishonest style of communication which is a zero sum game for them and relies on a deliberately injected lack of clarity that they can always plausibly-retroactively-deny in order to attack you no matter which way you interpret them. If they say X and you think they mean A, you're wrong. If they say X and you think they mean B, you're also wrong. Lack of clarity allows them to construct games they always win. Look at how reactionaries always structure conversations this way. This is why they hate the autistic desire for clarity, and treat you as subhuman for wanting it.

I regularly witness how neurotypical children (and adults) do this to autistic children (and adults) in order to beat them down and rob them of confidence.

>>2592512
>It really makes me wonder how many of these people would want a diagnosis if we lived in a system that worked for the people and not billionaires.

In a system that worked for people and not billionaires you would get health care.

>>2594173
>>2594177
The problem* with such metadata is that communication isn't always in such bad faith, sometimes it's a matter of style. An ambiguous message is often much more pleasing than an unambiguous one for one reason or another. (For example, a joke may be enhanced if the author's position relative to the subject is obfuscated - socdem gang was improved by clearly being a joke, yet having too much socdem knowledge to cleanly just be a communist having a laugh.) Or, of course, to exclude outsiders who don't share the in group's idiolect.

It can of course be abused for argumentative purposes, but that's a fundamental quality of language: open-ended unambiguous communication is impossible. Even highly formalized systems like air traffic control are still occasionally updated when a new ambiguity is found.

The upshot, and my *, is that you can play with tone indicators in exactly the same way. Slap a sarcasm indicator on a message best read straight, knowing your audience will know that's what you're doing…

>>2575163
>was molested by her stepfather at age eight and can’t work a regular job due to her CPTSD
>has all sorts of religious trauma from growing up in an Evangelical household.

It's funny how true the Evangelical-childhood-to-angry-moralistic-leftist pipeline is. The amount of authoritarian tendencies in anarchists is extreme ("do exactly as I tell you and stay in line or else you're an evil person and fuck you"), and it's not surprising most of them grew up in authoritarian Christian households.

The "trauma-drama junkie" is a real thing. Basically, when you had trauma inflicted on you in your life you start to become addicted to that trauma and you seek out a new rush, so to say. Meaning, people who came out of authoritarian households will deliberately seek out drama with others because it fills them. Many times they'll enter relationships they know are rocky and guaranteed to fail but they like it that way, because the thrill of the relationship is in the trauma.

I find it weird how so many people in radical leftist circles were victims of pretty serious forms of trauma. You don't see that in most other places.

>>2594734
>The "trauma-drama junkie" is a real thing.
That's literally just CPTSD.


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On Friday, December 12, 2025, the World Socialist Web Site, the online publication of the International Committee of the Fourth International, will launch Socialism AI, a chatbot that will use the power of amplified human cognition to advance the development of socialist consciousness in the international working class.

Socialism AI will expand and accelerate the education of workers, student youth, progressive intellectuals and artists on the basis of the world scientific outlook of Marxism. It will prepare them for the irrepressible escalation of the international class conflict.

For the ruling class, AI’s role creates new means of intensifying exploitation, displacing labor and increasing profits.

But, paradoxically, AI technology also makes possible an unprecedented expansion of knowledge and social consciousness.

Technology does not lead automatically to the improvement of the human condition. Without politically conscious mass action, guided by scientific Marxist theory, technological advances under capitalism intensify the exploitation of the working class and threaten the destruction of the planet.

Therefore, the problem of bringing into proper alignment the development of technology and the interests of the working class must be solved. The socialist movement must make use of the most advanced tools available for the education and unification of the working class.

That is the significance of Socialism AI, which will gather, clarify and make accessible the theoretical, historical and political experience of more than 150 years of the Marxist movement, above all, the heritage defended by the Fourth International.

Its aim is not to substitute technology for politics, or algorithms for revolutionary leadership. On the contrary, it is to assist the development of consciousness by overcoming the barriers of distance, language, specialization and time. A worker in Detroit, a student in São Paulo, a nurse in Johannesburg, a young intellectual in Mumbai will pose questions about theory, history, economics, philosophy and politics—and receive answers grounded not in the lies of the ruling class but in the scientific method of historical materialism and in the accumulated strategic experience of the international working class.
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>>2594740
> It cant: calculate. An LLM is not a calculator. The point of a calculator is to never be incorrect when given correct input. An LLM's output is correct given it's input, but you fundamentally misunderstand what an LLM is being input, what is does with that input, and what it's output even is.

You are confusing internal architecture with functional capability.

No one uses an LLM to do arithmetic by predicting the next token anymore; they use it as a reasoning agent to write and execute Python scripts that perform the calculation. You are attacking a strawman of technology from three years ago. If I ask it to "calculate the logistical efficiency of this supply route," it writes the formula, runs the code, and gives the answer. That is calculation via agency.

> summarize. Summarization requires comprehension and especially the ability to withhold an attempt when lacking information. If you want an example of an LLM attempting to summarize something, make a search via Google or Duckduckgo.

This is pure Idealism, not Materialism. You are demanding the machine possesses a metaphysical "soul" or "comprehension" before you accept its labor.

A materialist looks at the output: Does it condense 50 pages into 1 accurate page? Yes. I don't care if the machine "felt" the text while reading it. And pointing to a broken Google snippet implementation to disprove the capability of SOTA models is intellectually dishonest.

> code. Vibe coding is a meme, we already have that, it's called getting drunk enough that you don't care if your code is good and confidently bash-ing out spaghetti, that still takes you less time than trying to fix what an LLM coughed out. There's a reason we call programming languages such, they automate logic and reason, and thus require both during their creation.

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>>2591978
>if class war ends up meaning race war (it will by default)

>>2594749
>You are attacking a strawman of technology from three years ago. If I ask it to "calculate the logistical efficiency of this supply route," it writes the formula, runs the code, and gives the answer. That is calculation via agency.
It's better, but LLM still spits out that formula before that. Now you could keep going with that, have the LLM punch it into some sort of function generator, have that punching in be handled by something else, so-on so-forth. An LLM used like that is basically scaffolding, so I concede that could be a use case.
>his is pure Idealism, not Materialism. You are demanding the machine possesses a metaphysical "soul"
I make no such allusions. I now have some confidence you have read a few papers so I don't know why you're resorting to this. You must already understand where LLMs mechanically lack in this regard.
"comprehension" is a logical construct.

Honestly your prior point makes a much better refutation of what I said, but you went the "but muh sovls" route.
>A materialist looks at the output: Does it condense 50 pages into 1 accurate page? Yes.
I have not seen this happen yet. Every time I've tried it failed miserably.
>This is a massive skill issue and a self-report.
>If it takes you longer to fix AI code than to write it from scratch, you are incompetent at prompting.
It just fails to "obey" the prompt past like 5 degrees of complexity. Some programs can't be summarized in a tweet. If I know what I want enough that a sufficiently non-ADHD ridden LLM could follow it I'd already know what to write.
>Millions of senior engineers use this to automate boilerplate
catting a txt file and copying from the terminal.
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>>2591923
>technology wouldn't exist if it weren't for imperialism
this is retarded and obviously untrue. Read Rajani Palme Dutt Fascism and Social Revolution Chapter 3. Capitalism, especially in its imperialist phase, deliberately HOLDS BACK the productive forces, regressing from what made it superior to feudalism in the first place. Without capitalism and imperialism, the productive forces would be unleashed, and with economic planning, there would be no crises of overproduction.

>>2591944
>Only Congolese should have access to anything involving coltan

Only Native Americans should have maize

Only Mediterraneans should have olives

Only people near water should have fish

Nobody should ever trade again

This is a RETARDED idea and the Chinese actively prove why


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Alright cadres, I made this post to be mainly a community driven thread where we together try to post a total of 95 changes that ought to be implemented to society/government and/or issues that need to be addressed. For example,

1. Lower the Required presidential age to 25
2. End all aid to Israel
3. Overturn Ford vs. Dodge Brothers
4. Ban people 50 years or older from becoming public servants
5. Give a pardon and Medal of Freedom to Edward Snowden in Iceland.
6. Designate AIPAC as a foreign lobby.
7. Overturn Dodge Brothers vs Ford
8. Overturn Citizens United vs. FEC
9. Free Healthcare
10. Band hedge funds from owning houses
11. Tax Mega-Churches
12. Outlaw child pageants
13. Execute criminals from the Epstein Files.
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>>2591406
Matx is so outdated and that is not an insult. He died in 1883.

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>>2591407
It would be interesting if he was resurrected. He would debunk every "marxist." Ithink he hated "Marxists" in his own lifetime.

>>2591407
Answer the question faggot

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>>2591409
>I think he hated "Marxists" in his own lifetime.

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>>2591084
>let's make a wishlist with no plan to implement any of it


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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2592021
fait pas genre d'etre un francais et casse toi tocard

Crosspost from newsanon's thread

France Unbowed 'has become a target' of the UAE, Melenchon says

The leader of French left-wing party France Unbowed (LFI) and former presidential candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon has denounced “the influence of networks linked to the United Arab Emirates” following a series of accusations levelled against the party and some of its MPs.

“LFI has become a target of the Emirates,” he wrote on his blog on Tuesday, shortly after his party, the largest left-wing group in parliament, filed a complaint to the public prosecutor regarding a highly controversial poll on Muslims in France, suggesting it could be part of an Emirati “influence operation” in the country.

The survey, which suggests that there is “a phenomenon of 're-Islamisation'" in France "accompanied by a worrying increase in adherence to Islamist ideology”, has been the subject of several legal complaints from Muslim organisations, who accused it of being “based on biased questions” to spread “the poison of hatred in the public sphere”.

The poll, conducted by the French Institute of Public Opinion (Ifop), was commissioned by a magazine, Écran de Veille (Screen Watch), which is said to be linked to an alleged Emirati smear campaign against Muslim individuals and groups.

Several media outlets have exposed links between the UAE and some staff members of Écran de Veille.

The monthly publication is owned by Global Watch Analysis (GWA), a media company that is highly critical of political Islam, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood - a movement banned by the UAE - and harbours open hostility toward Qatar.
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Les Émirats arabes unis alliés de l’extrême droite européenne

Ce discours alarmiste envers les Frères musulmans et nourrissant in fine la peur de l’islam est porté en France par certains médias et centres de recherche, comme Global Watch Analysis ou le Centre européen de recherche et d’information sur le frérisme (Cerif). On le retrouve aussi dans la bouche de personnalités politiques d’extrême droite comme Sébastien Chenu, député Rassemblement national (RN) du Nord et vice-président du parti, ou de Thierry Mariani, autre membre du RN et eurodéputé du groupe Les Patriotes pour l’Europe. Pour mémoire, le troisième groupe parlementaire européen, dirigé par Jordan Bardella, a été fondé en juin 2024 par l’extrême droite hongroise de Viktor Orbán — qui a récemment profité de significatifs investissements émiratis. Interrogé sur les Émirats, Mariani leur reconnaît « des ressources financières importantes » et note des « valeurs qui rapprochent », notamment dans la lutte contre l’islamisme. Un combat qui inclut « les Frères musulmans », nous a-t-il précisé.

Largement commentée et analysée, l’ascension de l’extrême droite se matérialise partout en Europe ; son développement n’est pourtant pas seulement dû à la sociologie des campagnes ou à l’échec de la gauche. Dans le cadre de leur agenda politique, certains pays tiers agitent en France la peur de l’islam. « Il y a une synergie sur cette question. La Russie cherche à déstabiliser en créant des troubles sociaux en Europe. De son côté, Israël voudrait alimenter la haine de l’islam pour justifier son action en Palestine », explique le conseil en risques et stratégies politiques Andreas Krieg. Et les Émirats ? « Ils ont une peur phobique de l’islam politique et des Frères musulmans, qui ne doivent à aucun prix devenir un chemin politique possible au Proche-Orient », poursuit le chercheur.

Créé en Égypte dans les années 1920, le mouvement des Frères musulmans s’est développé dans le monde, s’adaptant à chaque pays où il s’est implanté en ambitionnant de participer à la vie politique. Affichant des positions morales conservatrices, il se décline en association, en parti, voire en mouvement politico-militaire dans le cas du Hamas. Mais exception faite des attaques commises en Palestine dans un contexte de lutte nationaliste, le mouvement a renoncé à la violence et n’a pu être pris en défaut à ce propos. Les révolutions arabes de 2011 ont vPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

related to an earlier article

'Islamophobic' poll on Muslims in France accused of links to UAE

A controversial poll on Muslims in France, conducted by one of the country’s leading survey institutes, was commissioned by a media company linked to an alleged Emirati smear campaign.

The survey concludes that there is "a phenomenon of ‘re-Islamisation’ that particularly affects younger generations and is accompanied by a worrying increase in adherence to Islamist ideology".

According to Ifop: "This data gives grist to the mill of those who fear that the Muslim population is developing into a ‘counter-society’, that is, seeking to organise its daily life according to religious norms distinct from, or even opposed to, those of the majority society.

>Muslims as an ‘internal enemy’

The poll has been widely reported by the French media and political class, particularly in conservative circles, where it was seen as proof of a desire among Muslims to place themselves in opposition to the republic and its laws.

Speaking of "terrifying figures", far-right politician Marion Marechal Le Pen, the niece of Marine Le Pen, described the possibility that France "will find itself facing hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of radical Muslims who will want to implement sharia law".
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Docteur!! Y'a une infiltration islamique dans mon infiltration islamique ! :(

-Mais comment diable vous vous retrouvez dans cette situation, bonhomme?

-J'essayais l'entriisme trotskiste et boum, c'est parti en couilles avant que je ne le realise !


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Recent news:
STG sets up roadblocks on the roads leading to Suwayda, pursuant to the ceasefire agreement.
Remaining tribals in Suwayda governorate launch a last-ditch attack on Suwayda city.
Tribals enter some of the city's northwest areas. They suffer heavy casualties and retreat from the city on the same day.
Straggler tribals launch a few attacks on Druze villages here and there, nothing significant.
Overall ceasefire holds up after that. STG prevents further entry of tribals and their numbers keep dwindling.
STG releases their report on the massacres of Alawites in March of this year. They say that they aren't directly responsible.
Saudi announces they will buy a bunch of property in Syria.
Israeli and Syrian officials meet in Paris. A second meeting in Baku was cancelled.
Accusations that the STG is doing a soft siege on Suwayda governorate and worsening the humanitarian situation.
Turkey/SNA starts threatening the SDF and launches a few attacks against them in Deir Hafer and Tishreen dam.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
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A year after Assad’s fall in Syria, Alawite women face kidnappings and rape

https://apnews.com/article/syria-alawite-women-kidnapped-militants-extremists-rape-a469660022301de378d1fa130467bec0

>>2592705
I don't give THAT much of a shit about what happens there. It's just an interesting kaleidoscope of a place. I'm not glazing the jihadis in Syria either are you crazy? I'm just not like oh mah gerd they're terrorists. That's gay. Puh-leeze. That's just a word people say. You know in terms of ideology they're more similar to Hamas than anybody, and you like them, right? Don't you, anon?

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>>2592725
That's what these Bashartards are like, man. It's like some awful fusion of Hitlerism with Bush-era GWOT counter-terror propaganda.

>>2593219
You type like a fag, go back to twitter

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>>2593943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Mashal


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ANTI-AI BROOS??! I thought AI is le bad???! this is pretty based and will help spread class conciousness!

BODY IS TOO SHORT OR CAN'T BE EMPTY OR SOMETHING.
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>>2594304
>>2594310
These are so gay that my asshole is pissing red white and blue.

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Sorry China, but the only good politician is Trotsky

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>Now u must pay $5
Fuck off

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What's the most hilarious about this is that they've basically made a digital parrot THE primary representative of their org and the sole thing they're known for by the majority of socialists going forward.

It will give answers that will go against what they actually believe, and they'll constantly have to babysit it until the prompt full of corrections–that will only sometimes be heeded in full–gets too long to be worth it.

The thing stands were there would ought to have been an FAQ page or CoolMathGames style explorable information trove if it was truly meant to "advance socialist consciousness globally" like they claim on the tin. Now we know it's just a cash grab (>>2594336), so of course they wouldn't have done something so useful. What an excellent indictment of AI as being the new crypto by example.

>>2594455
>The thing stands were there would ought to have been an FAQ page or CoolMathGames style explorable information trove if it was truly meant to "advance socialist consciousness globally" like they claim on the tin.
I don't think it's a bad project, but I agree using a big FAQ as the basis would also work, and it would be more reliable. It's like LLM-hype people have developed amnesia about these other concepts for accessing information.

For example, take a look at this massive thing:
https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html
Click on any of the sections with label A to J to see how many questions are in just one of these. The FAQ has a tree structure with three levels.

Picture this: All that is needed to make the Anarchist FAQ snappy is a question-search bar that shows matches from the expanded list of questions as you type. In addition to the questions from the question tree it could also use an index of all sentences in the running text that end with a question mark (but de-emphasizing these matches visually).

And under the question matches (if any) there could be a section with other text matches (if any) from the FAQ. And under that there could be a section with text matches from anarchist works in the public domain: Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Goldman etc.

Asking you all: Would you prefer this oldschool thing or an anarchism-explainer LLM?


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Why is the OG Jason motherfucking Unruhe, a maoist and anti-imperialist, the only one who hasn't fallen into the depths of ""multipolarism"". It's the trick just to read? He still a socdem but I can respect him.
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>>2594178

One can support the internal economic structure of a country without supporting its foreign policy (or its justification of such).

The Russian government is made up of traitors to the USSR, liberals and other scum & degenerates (who will all have to be publically executed by any serious communist movement that takes power). They serve to shore up capitalism in Russia and the (contradictory) interest of its bourgeoisie. This includes includes the imperial ventures in a variety of theatres (not just Ukraine; Consider ths prior intervention in Kazakhstan).

As such I strongly support the DPRK squeezing the Russian government like a sucker for all its worth.

I do not support however the narrative justifying it on the basis of some anti-imperialist nonsense. Its sufficient to see that two enemies are fighting and to take advantage. That's realpolitik.

>>2594302
Trotskyites are not communists

>>2593411
>Russian soldiers are on the front lines dying for the liberation of their country from fascist occupation
?????????????????

Unruhe isn't necessarily wrong. Being a communist and treating multipolarity as the end goal rather than a stepping stone means you lack the ambition and imagination to strive for true communist internationalism.

>>2593152
Supporting post-USSR Russia as a communist is peak cuck behavior.


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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2544451
Marxist-Leninist classic

>>2550192
State opression doesn't make you right, martyr.

This movie was dogshit, a truly embarrassing vanity project for Decaprio.

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>>2577903
Funnily enough, the Falangists ended up becoming a somewhat pro-Soviet RW faction in the West. Their ideology was essentially centered around opposing everything the US supported. There was even a funny incident where Falangists attended World Youth Day in Cuba on a Soviet ship. They actually got along with the Yugoslav Partisans and sang The Internationale with everyone before singing Cara al Sol (the Falangist anthem). At that point, Castro reportedly said something along the lines of:
>"Comrades! I know what you're up to!"
They then gave him a signed copy of José Antonio Primo de Rivera's speeches. Supposedly, Castro had some respect for Jose Antonio as a nationalist (and Che similarly felt the same about Juan Peron)

>>2553605
>"Nooooo! You can't enjoy the gory action movies because they're propaganda that normalize violence and Zionism!"

Shit like this is why I didn't enjoy talking with my film snob friend when he was in his leftie phase. Stop doing this shit


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How did Tumblr come to become so insanely influential in almost every social sphere? From scenes being taken over and only really enforcing "gatekeeping" based on Tumblrs values, to Social Academia and Universities enforcing Tumblr standards on students and staff and even the funding of research, to middle management forcing proles to sit through eye rolling incoherent Tumblr course nonsense, to Pop culture largely adapting entirely to Tumblr values and IP's one after the other being turned to only really appeal to Tumblr standards, to even gigagiant evil corpos like Blackrock enforcing Tumblr nonsense through many of their funding. The left itself has largely been taken over and had it's social values and political values rewritten to place primacy on Tumblr's takes on identity, you have actual politicians running for offices that sound like a 14 year old on Tumblr in 2014.
As someone who has been pretty familiar with Tumblr trends since the late 2000s it's been wild watching often what were trends and theories that were created by teenagers, get taken out of that context, to become mass political liberal/left establishment and middle management/academia talking points. It's also been very wild watching massive franchises, just get run roughshod over with Tumblr to the point that is actually obnoxious (WotC, DnD, Star Trek, Star Wars etc).
How did Tumblr do this? Reddit is technically a bigger site but has nowhere near this influence, 4chan was a bigger site back in the day, and again, not this influence at all. So how is it that I'm watching Politicians and business leaders, spout crap that was the domain of confused larping scene kids on Tumblr a decade ago?
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>>2589663
mindbroken polyp, tumblr isnt relevant to anything now and wasnt ever even that big

tumblers dead, those weird progressive snarker women over on reddit will be the new (justified) boogyman, they are a mix of evil and retarded and their numbers grow larger every day

>>2592660
Reddit is dead too tho. Fedi will probably be the new boogieman because you can just find an instance with traits your target audience will get mad at and rail at the whole fediverse as being that. Already have that with the "pediverse" panic.

>>2589663
This is the leftypol equivalent of "GamerGate got Trump (or [insert far right politician/movement here] elected"), in that only people who are terminally online would say this kind of shit and take it seriously. In the case of GamerGate, yes, it unfortunately was the first widespread instance of people frothing at the mouth over "woke shit in gaming", and was when the alt-right really started to grow its online presence, but at the end of the day, it was an extremely online event that realistically didn't have much of an actual impact on real-world politics and was a symptom of the rise of the far-right rather than a cause of it. It's the same deal with Tumblr.

>>2592739
You also see it with, as the libs call it, the "tankie triad".


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I reread Vineland and rewatched One battle for this. Modern /tv/ is too stupid for this, /film/ and /lit/ would find it boring or wouldn't get the discussion. You'll probably get more mileage here than any of them would have because this isn't so much about the plot structure or anything.
Although yes, One Battle After Another is the "blockbusterization" of the original novel. In the original Zoyd (Bob) is a side character to Prairie (Willa) and is actually third "protag" to Frensei(Perfidia) and Brock Vond(Lockjaw) mostly because he also doesn't look for her, he goes off screen because he is the one who sends away Prairie to go to DL(Deandra) from the start to split up so Vond can't get them together. Also because the book is 50% flashbacks, and that's probably because this is Pynchons attempt to put various short stories together into an over arching plot, but it means most of the book isn't action heavy. In fact any and all action is sort of kept to a flashbacks and single shot or hand to hand 1 on 1 combat.
This is because PTA doesn't understand the left or what Vineland had to say about it. Thanatoids are a big aspect of the original book. Thanatoids are debatable but are ultimately just Pynchons way of describing the average person becoming a treatlerite in first world nations due to immediate comfort and entertainment being granted to them, especially in the 80s, of which ones like Weed Atman, a leader of the 2nd major left wing org in the book, who was thought dead, is a part of. The entire thing is a massive critique on how quickly pacified the entire American left is, and PTA completely flushes it down the toilet for quick scenes of Mexicans fighting riot police.
In the actual book, whenever the army and cops get involved, the thanatoids don't do shit. DL (Deandra) and Takeshi (Sergio or at least close as possible to them in the book) take back Prairie with them to check out the situation at the same time the rest of her family go back to Vineland, and they note how scared everyone is and none of them do shit.
This is because the entire book this is just part of life too to a lesser measure, Americans are absolutely fine with fascist like regimes and PMCs strolling their streets as long as it doesn't affect them, it's only when Brock Vond starts to push it a little too hard that they get upset enough to be scared. Not act, just get scared.
-In fact earlier in the book during a flashback it's made clear during Weed Atman's dayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Holy shit that is long. That is extremely long and I didn't even mention how Pynchon channels Reich to gather reasoning for how someone becomes so fascist and discriminatory.
Read the end if you want to know what it's about and cannot be half assed to read a 400 page fiction novel and rewatch a 3 hr movie again.

>Vond and the thanatoids are either birthed or controlled by the tube, which is a metaphor for the modern worlds consumerist spectacle
Interesting.
I got the gut sense while watching the film that there was a story beat being missed about how the left became pacified. Good effort post.

>>2594444
Thanks and checked.
In the book there isn't some sort of big scene where Vond/Lockjaw take down everyone after Frensei/Perfidia snitches, everyone gradually has their own reasons for going underground and on the run, but it's pretty clear they've become pacified and worried about hiding out and keeping their families safe, leaving those who still kept up some sort of fight on their own until eventually they just sort of gave up and sat in front of tv all day like Atman and the thanatoids. Zoyd, Frensei, and DL are all mixed up with different groups and the book makes a point of this but they all end up pacified by the 80s anyway for a reason. That's why it's kind of counter intuitive to have riot scenes going on in One Battle as opposed to unorganized submission from the entire county as Vond and the military and other security forces flip the place upside down.


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