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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2598216
where did your empty head pick up the notion that these people are present in the US military in any notable number?
i get $25 if you say "this recruitment ad from the US military which i've decided to interpret as an honest reflection of their status as a diverse and tolerant employer with progressive social values because the US military would never lie about something like that in a desperate and but-for-me failed attempt to shore up their terrible reputation with the young people who hold such values", but you won't say that because lots of those words have more than one syllable.

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>>2598216
>>2598248
It's totally the blue hairs raping children.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9955z6.html

>>2598315
>Overall, as Table 1 shows, 5.8 percent (CI: 5.0–6.6) of HRBS respondents identified as LGB. This estimate falls between estimates for U.S. adults aged 18–64 years and for U.S. high school students, which is not surprising given the age profile of the military.
>Among HRBS respondents, 0.6 percent (CI: 0.3–0.9) identified as transgender. The most-recent estimate in the U.S. adult population also found that 0.6 percent (credible interval: 0.4–1.0[5]) identified as transgender.
the numbers for men are basically nothing of note (except the amusing datapoint that gays really do prefer the navy, it's just "LGB men are present in around the numbers in the general population") and the numbers for women are inherently subject to selection bias. ("normal" women very rarely join the military, hence the 84/16 split of male/female personnel.)
truthfully i'm surprised that the transgender numbers are 1:1 with the population share, even if the numbers are dated. my understanding was that it was a good trick to obtain access to healthcare.

>>2598190
Ruining a DSA meeting is a bit different than blowing up children, and running a pedophil blackmail ring to support it.

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>>2598367
It is pretty funny


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Socialist
>Emmm END OF HISTORY is le wrong amirite?

Actual Fukuyama
>Everybody will eventually learn to love liberalism because the atomized liberal subject who is free to set up whatever they want as their identity/being and be validated for it is the least bad model for every ideological tendency out there

If you actually read about Fukuyama what he said is legit what a lot of lib leftoids (and rightoids who want to have individual space where they can identify as an agarthan superman) wants society to look like. They say they want community or "a village", but in the end what these liberals perceieve as a "community" is a libertarian association that ultimately serve to empower the individuals that is the end all be all of politics. Regardless of whether its rightoid politics who tell impressionable young men that they can larp as macho hunters in a warband with women all over them as long as they spend enough time doing the based ritual or leftoid anarchist who misinterpret the Deluzian rhizome all of you guys unconsciously pivot to Francis's position
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>>2597730
>there's nothing wrong with individualism per-se, the problem with capitalism is that it inadequately facilitates individualism. the problem with rightoid individualism is that it ultimately serves either capitalism or killeveryoneism.
That's what I've always said. People assume a dichotomy between "individualism and collectivism" with capitalism on one end and communism on the other. But communism is not this "collectivist" repudiation of the individual, like Lolbertarian randroids exist, nor is capitalism repudiation of the collective. What Marx pointed out was that Capitalism socializes the production process but keeps the ownership private. So Capitalism is incomplete socialization. Proletarian association necessarily occurs due to the cooperation of proletarian individuals to carry out proletarian revolution. There is no collective action without individual willpower. Each prole in the real movement must independently arrive at the same conclusion through a historical materialist analysis. The individual is still very much in play.

>>2597824
It's a strong argument and certainly that social tendency has taken place, but ultimately class struggle and the need for imperialism (not even mentioning all the other contradictions of capitalism to be) invalidates this, even if it can be the case for a period of time. Fukuyama tacitly admits as much himself
>>2597867
That doesn't really mean much, and your premise is a bit skewed in the first place. Semi-individual identity and interests have existed for as long as man exists. And most of the specific things you mention exist only insofar as the social context of capitalism enables them to and forces them to exist. So capitalist social relations are in fact the key factor in the argument you make, and they condition our worldviews.

>>2597877
>to be
*to be brief

>>2597867
This atomizing individualism did not exist beforehand. It was imposed by liberal society and the liberal state as they evolved over time, as a conscious/unconscious attempt to thwart the socialization of society that would lead to communism. This evolution was very successful, but deprived bourgeois society of the collectivity it needs to respond to current day economic and social crises. Hence the global crisis of legitimacy facing liberal democracies today, and the slide towards despotism which is taking place across the Americas and Europe.

>>2597867
Sure liberal idpol is irritating but every culture has its quirks. Is it really important if Lenin has blue hair or not? I find the argument that liberal idpol culture is incapable of leading a socialist revolution unconvincing.


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That's right, if you manage to guess the name of this chemical formula on the second picture you can win a prize.
This is your chance to show you understand basic chemistry for all the times you cursed at Lysenko.
Now its your time to show you've studied basic chemistry at school.
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>muh education
Most people forgot what they learned

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not related, but can you teach yourself chemistry? only did the bare minimum to pass in school since my teacher was a bitch and i wanted to go to law school, but every time i see it get brought up it seems kinda interesting. wish i was a stemcel.

>>2597427
I guess you can but it is mega boring

haha you think they taught this at my school?
All I can tell you is that molecule has a bunch of hydrogen, oxygen, and some carbon and nitrogen.

A while ago, one of the pixiv alternative sites had an 18+ captcha which made you write chemical notations for molecules. I ended up just hacking the captcha, was easier than learning this.

>>2597427
>but can you teach yourself chemistry?
Up to a point. It's not like 4.0 GPA STEM students actually need to go sit in a lecture and listen to someone read them textbooks they can easily read and understand themselves. Where it becomes unviable in chemistry and especially most of the engineering fields is that, unless you're super rich and committed, you're not going to have access to the equipment and other resources you need. It becomes even more comical with medical fields - gonna go dig up a cadaver for your self-taught pathology track? :)


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>>2597483
>and yet 20 yards of linen are not a coat
they have the same magnitude of value, is marx's point. the value-form (Ax = By) operates on two poles; A and B are the use-value of a commodity (e.g. linen and coats), x and y are their quantities (e.g. 20 and 1). the reason why 20 of A equates with 1 of B in exchange (e.g. why they have the same price) is because to marx, they have the same amount of SNLT, which is expressed by their exchange-value (i.e. "value").
>>2597502
to marx, only in the macro do values and prices equate, by the general rate of profit.

>>2597649
The other 17% is in my ass

>>2597649
and was this the case too before digitization? Like before 1850s, did banks do something simmilar?

>>2597655
yes. bank notes have been used in europe since the 17th century, which is also when we first get central banking (1668, 1694). its notes in exchange for gold and silver that allows for fractional reserves, since notes circulate at a greater rate than they would be exchanged for their equity (e.g. precious metal), so lending can be expanded beyond deposits. joseph story ("commentary on the law of bailments", 1832) comments that fractional reserve banking was the norm by the 19th century. the only risk associated with this practice was "bank runs", where withdrawal would outpace depositing, leading to a lack of reserves. this also occured in 1929.

>>2597651
>they have the same magnitude of value
so they are not the same thing?


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How can communists in the imperial core be normal?

Not really sure how to explain the problem. It just seems in general like there's an extreme lack of interpersonal skills, patience, pragmatism and empathy for others. IDK just seems very dysfunctional.
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>>2595655
Inahte that we call the unawakened masses normies, it's cringe r*ddir shit

>>2595040
the average anarkiddy diaperfur is a better person and a better communist than the average /leftypol/ user to such an extent that the mere comparison is an insult to the former. and it's not because they're particularly good communists…

>>2591160
Is it normal to be obsessed about geopolitics?

>>2594762
I mean… I don't like to tell people what to do. Like if you want to rehabilitate the Soviets or were on Discord and you were introduced to some ideas that way, it's fine. Like I'm posting on leftypol, I'd just be a hypocrite. More asking the question about what are people really doing. I think the basic idea is to come up with ways to live better than we're doing.

>>2595232
Some advice I heard that resonated with me is to have your own house in order to some extent. Now that is also difficult, and working people have the hardest time of all doing that (and even more difficult because of atomization), but you don't want to be the person who shows up in a socialist group without any friends, because it's probably not going to be able to fix that problem. Doesn't seem good to substitute politics for a life, or people turning meetings into group therapy. Like, I have hobbies. But I need politics so I can have healthcare when I'm old. A lot of problems in groups seems to be interpersonal issues that get mixed together or mixed up with political disagreements, but what people are actually doing is engaging in interpersonal beef and they're using politics to work through that which causes the whole thing to become hopelessly confused.

>>2597888
Plenty of normies are communists. I didn't mean class consciousness. I just meant that misanthropic and anti-social people are going to need to find a way to cope with the annoying people with agape or sit out. The people with agape are probably more important to the movement.

>>2597891
Agreed.


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"Trot To Neocon Pipeline"

Is it real or just a meme?
Is there a kernel of truth to it?
What is the origin of the phrase?
Is this just about Burger Neocon New Atheists like Shistuffer Bitchens or is there more to it?
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>>2597898
> They believe religion has a role to play in maintaining order, which is a really intellectualizzed way to come around to a religion.
This is actually a quite old way of thinking about religion. This is the explcit thinking of Machiavelli in The Prince and probably the implicit thinking of much of the "priestly" classes throughout history. It can never really be known to what extent religious leaders are "true believers" in their own horse shit, and which are Machiavellian Manipulators and Opportunists. But I suppose the same goes for secular poltiical ideology as well.

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>>2597989
Right. A lot of this was revived by Leo Strauss iirc. There's also a big emphasis on "nihilism" and moral relativism and historicism being a threat to the West which is fundamentally based on trans-historical "principles."

There's a big pile of books and articles on all of this, but this Jacobin article describes a neoconservative critique of liberal centrism as being unable to justify itself against the "extremists" on left and right (which basically appear as a red-brown hydra to them). This means the centrists talk about defending "democracy" in Ukraine but they don't think about why democracy is good, rather what they call "authoritarian" is just a caricature of everything they think is bad. So what Strauss did (and by extension a lot of neoconservatives do) is to say well yeah there really is no way to say what is good anyways, since any rule is really just baseless exercise of power and enforcement of the common interests of the group (in this case the West) against the baddies (foreigners, slaves, etc.). It's totally elitist as a creed.

>He advocates a Nietzschean “will to power” that determines what is true and virtuous. The rule of law, which restricts the arbitrary exercise of power, is replaced by sovereign power, whose legitimacy is derived from itself because there is no longer any external, abstract justification for it. “The best regime” in the sense of classical political philosophy, is not that which appears “most desirable,” but that which is “feasible or . . . possible on earth” because it corresponds to “human nature,” which — according to Strauss’s negative anthropology — is characterized by an inherent striving for dominance. Insofar as it does not build castles in the sky and requires “no miraculous or nonmiraculous change in human nature,” no “abolition or eradication of evil and imperfection” for its realization, the inevitable predatory rule is just. In essence, Strauss is echoing classical nineteenth-century conservative thought, which argued that alternative societal designs of deficient sinners would outrage God and his inner-worldly ordering work.

[…]

>As an elite by natural right, Strauss and his followers also claimed the right to justify mass manipulation, to keep the population in the dark about the attitudes, actionsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Basically are we LE NIHILISTS???

>I do actually agree with Douglas Murray that there is such a thing as evil in the world. Where we disagree is that I think there is a germ of evil buried inside all of us, and most of the time that germ is something perfectly mundane. Georges Ruggiu just wanted to be respected: that desire is not evil in itself, but it can make you do evil things. (There’s evil in me as well. I’m no stranger to the pleasure of hating; I’m doing it right now.) I think the sadism and cruelty of October 7th—and the far greater sadism and cruelty Israel has displayed since—have their origins in entirely ordinary human frailties, the petty self-deceptions and insecurities that churn away inside everyone’s mind basically all the time. But according to Murray, people like me have been deluded in our ‘search for endless subtlety and limitless understanding,’ which is why we’re ‘missing out on one of the greatest divides of all.’ Instead of trying to understand anything, we should just accept that morality works in basically the same way that it does on Power Rangers. There are goodies and baddies. Sorry, but this is not serious. HarperCollins might as well have published a book about how when it rains, that’s God crying. To see a 46-year-old man speaking in this childish register produces a genuine shudder. The horror of the man-child, the pervert or imbecile who never managed to grow up. The political equivalent of an adult baby diaper fetishist.

>But I don’t think Murray really believes in this infantile moral universe he’s conjured. That’s for his readers. He is secretly on the side of the death cults.

>The official story is that Murray likes Israel and Israelis because they embody the same liberal values as the West. But that’s not it at all. In fact, he thinks Israel is better than the West. He keeps going into raptures over how much more mature and well-developed Israeli teenagers are than their peers in America and Europe. He meets a group of IDF conscripts, and discovers that they’re nineteen years old. ‘It nearly floored me. These girls were the same age as a student going to college in America or Britain. They were the same age as people in the West who are treated like—and act like—children. But these Israelis were not children. They were young women. And soldiers at that.’ (Big talk from a man who’s just spent a hundred pages wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2597898
>>2598010
>>2598026
These just seem like cowards. I'm a sadomasochist with fluctuating empathy, doesn't mean that I want a capitalist society. I don't beat women because I'm not ready for that kind of romantic relationship in my life right now.

In general, radical leftist ideology (of whatever stripe) is not a sustainable political position. Many leftists are cultural reactionaries who are more interested in living out a persecution fantasy and seeing themselves as heroic rebels resisting the man, and a lot of those types (Maupin is a good example) end up going down some weird crypto-rightist path. The other option is moving to a less firebrand and extreme left wing position (e.g. Finkelstein). The American far right has many vulgar rad leftist elements: the railing against a class of elites, the tendency to feign as working class, populist sentiment, and this paranoia that the world is against them and shadowy cabal of elites are conspiring to ruin them (e.g transgenders being shoved on 'us' by liberal elites who want to kill our kids etc). When the liberal center assimilates a handful of left wing positions, then these reactionary rad leftists go down the far right route because its a way to sustain their identity.

>>2598010
I wouldn't trust anything Jacobin writes when it comes to other ideoogies and theories. They have a nasty habit of strawmanning and misrepresenting anyone who isn't a dogmatic identified Marxist and shoving false dichotomies in people's faces.


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Basically, the more I speak to burgers on sites like threads, average burgers, I start to realize pretty much all American culture is anti-communist pro-capitalist, pro-empire propaganda. Like, all of it, every single bit of it. I realized at least all social media has to be abolished, like obviously, but then you look at all american songs, stories, films, games; every single one of them are either overt propaganda for capitalism, against communism, and for empire; or they reproduce ways of thinking beneficial to the empire, even love songs encourage a bourgeois outlook on relationships and love, most kids shows prime children in chauvinistic and bourgeois modes of thought, even most of American english consists of just repeating capitalist propaganda back and forth between individuals
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>>2597826
It’s already been explained to you that “Solidarity Forever” is Proudhonist slop that never explicitly references the proletariat but the “workers”, which in the context of America invariably favors the petite bourgeoisie and kulaks. Vague utopian appeals to “humanity” are not and never have been Marxist

>>2596267
>Evropa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burgerstan
<t.american

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It'll be incredibly funny if it turns out anime is the reason zoomers and gen alphas in the US grew up to be socialist. Literally just seeing animation from another country, even one with it's own issues culturally, gave them enough time away from Amerikkkan culture that that they noticed how stupid everything is at home.

Kinda explains why early anime censorship was so heavy handed: media companies knew the raw stuff would completely shatter the bubble they've worked so hard to build.

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>>2597836
>It’s already been explained to you that “Solidarity Forever”
It hasn't been explained actually, it's been asserted without evidence.
>that never explicitly references the proletariat but the “workers”
You're really grasping at straws at this point aren't you? Is the Korean Worker's Party not proletarian either? What about the Workers and Peasants Red Army? Are you really going to sit there and pretend that communists don't constantly use "workers" and "proletarians" interchangeably?
>which in the context of America invariably favors the petite bourgeoisie and kulaks
Anon, its a trade unionist song, and idk if you know this, but trade unions are by definition proletarian organizations. This is just getting embarrassing for you. Here, take a look at this IWW pamphlet from around the time the song was written (it was very popular with wobblies) and feel free to tell me how it's totally not about socialism or proletarian revolution. I'd love to see how far you're willing to take this.

>>2597836
🙄 It's a fucking song not a textbook.


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>>2598025
slopography

>>2597977
He's kinda right tho. There is an intersectional coalition among groypers between tradcaths and nazis which will not last because Jesus is, well, Jewsus, and after the 2000s American white nationalism had been firmly on the side of aryan esotericism, but also because the largest Catholic bloc in the country are brown people. It is easy to reconcile this when you are just juggling vibes but in the future at least one of the groypers will read the passage about Christians being one body and start flipping out

>>2598009
And yet, Americans continue proving themselves irredeemably in support of NATO.

By the way, I am no maoist, you could scarcely find me any more than a fellow traveler with regards to socialism. I don't think Americans need to save the world, or perish defending US imperialism. That would be too kind to the American people, to expect of them the agency required to do anything at all as US hegemony wanes.

Nono, Americans will be passive recipients of global liberalism as they have been since the USA lost the ability to mobilize their military since the "gulf war", but now as the losers of the cold war.

There is no justice in this, but I won't hide how it tickles me so, to see the average liberal grandstanding on the conveyor, knowing where it ends for them. It's that same notion of American exceptionalism which "allows" them to ignore the approaching cacophony.

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>>2598030
Bait


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Article 24 of DPRK constitution
<The state protects private property and guarantees the right to inherit them by law.
Chapter 2 of Communist Manifesto
<Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat […] Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.

Who was correct, here?
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>>2597659
My country is currently occupied by imperialists that you no doubt support

>>2597657
>Foreign capital
Which foreign capital? The houses they build for their own people that no foreigner or foreign corporation can own? Are you retarded?

>>2597644
How many times are you going to post this dumb article?

>>2597515
Fpbp

>>2597542
Yeah. I know. This thread was created because an anon was trolling in /usapol/ about "proletarian private property" (instead of just saying personal property like a normal person) and citing Article 24 of the DPRK constitution as "proof" of "proletarian private property" and calling another anon who was quoting the manifesto as "revisionist."


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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2592493
I'm against capitalism but I love capitalism for killing capitalism.

>>2594909

I guess I am too, as the liberal centrists used to say, "FULL OF HATE" , for that. Hahaha.

The contradictions and twists of fate/dialectic can be amusing and humorous though, fair enough.

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Peak

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Does anyone have the footage from the parade for returning soldiers the last few days? It's been used as b-role for western media about it, i want more great leader hugs but without all the DW watermarks and text.

>>2597838


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