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>>2586781
This is good red Shambhala work anon, I like the two rings going opposite to each other and that music makes it a nice little loop

>>2586173
here, i fixed it. what do you guys think?

>>2586879
>ᴉuᴉlossnW upside down to make room for tojo
it's genius anon

>>2586879
i think it would be better without text

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What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
a) less educated
b) disinclined to reading
c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
d) lower in cultural capital and status. (though harder to show in a neat chart, it links to b. most readers will know what i mean if i just say they're uncool.)

and the frankly obvious-and-growing divide of political behavior by intelligence throughout the west, with better educated people voting for left/liberal parties and less educated people voting for nationalists and reactionaries.
in this sense, and only this sense, are the right correct to identify the left with liberals. both leftists and liberals are generally educated, enjoy reading, and high agreeableness/openness, the opposite of rightists.

what are the implications as relate to the idea that right-wing fake news and rage-bait are demand lead, with low-openness, low-agreeableness, poorly educated non-readers prefering to watch nonsense not because they're manipulated into it by outside forces, but because this is just what they like

what are the implications for left-wing organizing strategy, which tends to resist trying to appeal directly to the interests of educated knowledge workers (or, indeed, young proletarianized female service workers with degrees) because of the aesthetic pull of historical industrial mass-movements?

what are the implications in the longer run, given that higher education enrolment levels have generally been rising over time, such that more than 50% of British young people now go into further education by age 30? what are the implications of this trend reversing, as is apparently happening in the US?

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>>2547267
there is an inevitability of a well-regulated chaos within a hellenic cosmopolitanism however - if we permit the cosmopolis ("society of the world") then we will create wealth inequality and also wealth opportunity. eroding borders would mean doing away with the artificial stratification of the north/south and so a new way of living would exist. nietzsche for example, expressly promotes race-mixing as a strategy for eugenics (not by preserving purity, but by the process of purification, in combining many aspects into one), which is entirely contrary to current right-wing myopia, which wants to end history altogether. the consciousness of the "radical right" (t. jonathan bowden) is not "conservative", but is a revaluation of all values, and particularly, socratism and christianity. i would say that new thinking can also be old thinking, without of course, spoilation through a "platonism for the masses".

>>2547229
Note how it's framed as a joke about bushes speaking style and flatters the reader's intelligence by relying on them getting the philosophical reference rather than just saying "republicans are retards lol!!" Directly.
(And even then, just calling your opponents dumb is different from actually analysing them on the basis of their stupidity)

>>2546215
>What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
>a) less educated
>b) disinclined to reading
>c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
>d) lower in cultural capital and status.

uhhh… it means they're working class

>>2586820
whoops

I don't put a lot of stock in research like this and the hyped up conclusions people draw from it. If you polled the average online leftist, you'd find them just as poorly read, less open etc. If openness, tolerance, and having elite cultural capital are core features of liberalism, then obviously right wing populists aren't going to score high in those areas because they oppose those values.

Politics today is overwhelmingly aesthetic. Why is someone a right winger? Because they watched a dozen wermacht edits and don't want uyghurs moving in next door. Why is someone a leftist? Its the whole Che T shirts thing all over again. Nobody reads or evaluates ideas. They pick stuff that makes them feel good and are encouraged to do so. Political theories are just instruments for power, tools for getting what you want. Why are there so many trans leftists? Because it gets them things. Why are many evangelicals right wingers? Because liberals always looked down on them and the left was too atheist, it didn't get them what thy wanted. Its really that simple.



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I think he's more overrated than Rosa.

>>2586706
hate is too strong of a word
I think his contribution was marginal at best: most of it is just vibes and ramblings. it's like adorno and such, whenever someone mentions them I just turn my brain off and put that person in my list of idiots

People were upset about that one essay he wrote saying that prostitution was good and young Italian men needed to fuck prostitutes. I can't find it ATM but it wasn't translated into English.

>fake labubu
material explanation?



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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>>2586185
Their families probably fled the country and probably ended up somewhere in California

>>2586185
That was the outfit everyone wore then.

>>2584119
>Theravada Buddhism subsisted with no major shocks or rifts to the established religious order for several hundred years
Wtf is he on about, that's not true? What about Rama IV's Dhammayuttika Nikaya reformation, for example, and so on.

Did democratic Kampuchea do anything wrong?

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>>2586320
not sure about that, might as well just have been killed after the initial separation (families were deliberately separated and worked in different parts of the country, or in mobile brigades all across it), or reunited after a while.
>vidrel for cambodian live tv show reuniting families after the dust settled down

>>2586345
trve which is why i supposed they might be just country children however child soldiers were such a common occurrence at the time

>>2586356
i suppose he meant its survival only, i agree the wording is pretty poor if that's what he wanted to convey
also a somewhat relevant paper:
>The monastic order in Cambodia has been divided into two fraternities (nikaya) since 1855 when King Norodom imported the newly-formed Thommayut (dhamayutika nikaya) from Thailand through the agency of Maha Pan, a Khmer monk belonging to King Mongkut’s spiritual lineage. Norodom subsequently had Wat Botum Vaddey constructed, according to the demarcation ritual (nadisima) of the newly formed order, adjacent to the new royal palace in Phnom Penh as the headquarters of the new order and Maha Pan was subsequently installed as its sanghareach (Meas Yang 1978, 38).
>In Thailand the introduction of the new order had passed off without opposition. This was not the case in Cambodia where frequent skirmishes between Mohanikay and Thommayut monks seem to have occurred with some regularity (Bizot 1976, 9). The influence of the colonial power may have been a factor here since the French regarded the Mohanikay, particularly those belonging to its reformed wing, to exercise a beneficial influence on the populace and towards the protectorate. Thommayut monks, on the other hand, were regarded as potentially intransigent, not least because it was thought that they owed their allegiance to the Thai court (Forest 1980, 143).
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why do people believe in this line of reasoning? it doesnt make sense at all
i was talking with some retard on xitter and he told me "marx was wrong, without capitalism you wouldnt even be talking with me right now!"
when did people start saying this? and why???
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but its mostly communists who say this

>watch video about "communist atrocity"
>comments "gomunism bad, 90000 gorillion dead"
<mfw the atrocity in question was actually stopped by the communists
many such cases

>>2586813
but why? you can find marxs books for free surely i cant be THAT hard for people to do the bare minimum and read, right?

>>2586842
most marxists dont read marx,
so why would anti-marxists?

>>2586845
good point



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>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.



 

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behold, the original flag of the Australian labour movement in all its glory

if u don't salute ur a lib

>>2584219
is that a bundle of sticks on the bottom left lmao holy shit

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>>2584219
SALUTE!

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Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.
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I saw that reddit thread in your picrel OP, the comments made me sad honestly. They're acting like the US didn't invade Somalia.

>>2583293
the conflict itself is "small" and less important than it used to be but basically all mena crisis revolve around the existence of israel as a point of power projection for imperialism. this was way more obvious when the suez canal was more important but all the recent wars over pipelines are projected out if israel and intended to circumvent this vulnerability. ukraine, venezuela, iran, iraq, afganistan, somalia, libya, yugoslavia, armenia, pakistan. they are all about oil.

and theres also the fact that israel trains cops and special forces. theres sort of a twin thing going on where the cia and mi5 imported a bunch of nazi war criminals(bloodstone not paperclip), special forces was created based on dirlwinger/werewulf, and then it was outsourced to israel very early. thats basically where all of gladio comes from. israel conducted and oversaw the genocide in guatemala for example, and they have twin contribution to things like the school of americas for training death squads. and also israel is used to launder drugs money and weapons for funding terrorism around the world to give the cia plausible deniability. they were a pretty big deal during the cold war for funding and training contras all over africa and were key to south african apartheid, probably their nukes too.

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>>2582476
>Berlin Moscow Axis

>>2586723
The poster was made before the USSR left the Berlin Axis to join the London Axis :)



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>>2586626
It's more of a clergy thing tbh

>>2586626
I'm only practicing proletarian astrology. I don't dabble in the dark arts.

What would be the Chinese pasta dish to replace Macaroni's name? Ramenoni?

China is an example of solar punk working

>>2586646
One of the problems that haunts Green parties in the west is that porkies who sell solar panels are just as cuntish as porkies who sell oil.



 

I’m honestly curious to know what exactly makes the PMC (university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists, those types of people) adhere to the belief system they do. Namely, the psychology behind what’s often termed as “petit-bourgeois radicalism.”

I recently read through two of Caleb Maupin’s books (The American Years of Lead and the one on Trotsky and the Neocons). Maupin asserts that intellectual elites (PMC) are heavily into salon culture and edgy things that have aristocratic connotations. For instance, intellectual elites (PMC) are the ones who hold an overly-romantic view of revolution and romanticize terrorism and political violence. They’re the ones that conjure up images of a big apocalyptic revolution similar to the Christian rapture whereby every little aspect of the existing society is destroyed. He also heavily emphasized that the PMC hates the genuine working/class, because they see them as a threat to their power, so they deliberately manipulate working-class movements in order to offset and eventually dissolve them. Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it.

Last night, I watched a video on Sublation Media between Doug Alain and Chris Cutrone. Cutrone made the point that the PMC romanticize terrorism, mass destruction involving killing and raping, and the “noble death” because the PMC are “gangsters.” Not gangsters the way the ultra-rich capitalists are, but gangsters nonetheless.

My understanding is, intellectual elites love these things like violence and terror for the exact same reason they love modern “art” like Jackson Pollock and jazz and rap “music”: it’s all deeply irrational. They reject historical progress, favour the lumpen and those on the margins of society over the genuine proletariat, and promote destruction because they hate rationality. All of the things they promote as “leftism” are actually deeply aristocratic values: it’s the aristocracy that loves violence, sexual indulgence and a rejection of logic and linear time. I see it like this: intellectual elites, being Nietzscheans at heart, hate rationality and linear progress because they see those things as boxes that limit their ability to indulge, but also the fact that they already have their privileged positions and don’t need a proletarian revolution to have their basic needs met. In fact, a proletarian revolution would mean they lose their privileges and end up working in the fields.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2586242
What group of idpolers are you talking about? Because I’m seeing none of this in the queer and neurodivergent communities.

>>2586342
I'm seeing it with queers and with neurodivergent people and especially in groups like furries, which are disproportionately both.
Plus random fandoms and obvious ex tumblrites and indeed current tumblrites

If you want a vision of the future imagine the Starbucks union drive furry doing praxis, forever.

>>2583942
There is no "PMC".

>>2583942
>Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it.
Wait until you hear what ordinary proles talk about in break rooms.
Nothing he describes is unique to PMCs anyway (religious eschatological view of The Revolution, obscene enjoyment, fucking around)
>favour the lumpen and those on the margins of society over the genuine proletariat
>sexual indulgence
Sigh

>My understanding is, intellectual elites love these things like violence and terror for the exact same reason they love modern “art” like Jackson Pollock and jazz and rap “music”: it’s all deeply irrational.
Missed this gem.
One of the issues with touching grass is coming back to this place and realizing it's a shithole filled with freaks.



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