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Nitzan and Bichler's critique of Marxism is moronic and vulgar, and here's why.

Empirics aside, if you actually boil it down, their critique is that (certain) abstractions aren't real because they aren't directly observable. What N&B are missing is that they literally don't believe in abstract labor. They're sort of anti-value theorists in that they think value theory is impossible (either Marxian or Neoclassical). This is really just a philosophical argument posing as an empirical one. The critique hinges on the ontological and epistemological status of abstractions, specifically the concept of abstract labor in Marxist theory.

They're right to note that without abstract labor as a real abstraction, Marxian value theory collapses, because there is no measurable or material basis for value production and the link between labor time and prices becomes untenable. But this isn't the dunk they think it is.

If you reject abstract labor, by extension, you reject value theory. Marx’s point that such abstractions are real precisely because they operate as socially embedded realities in capitalist systems. Abstract labor is a real abstraction. Real abstractions are abstractions that arise not merely as mental constructs but as material and social realities within specific historical contexts, especially in capitalist societies. They are "real" because they are embedded in the actual practices, institutions, and relations of production, not just in thought.

Abstract labor is a dialectical category because it arises from the concrete diversity of human labor but negates that diversity by reducing it to a single, measurable abstraction. At the same time, this abstraction organizes and dominates the concrete activities of production and exchange in capitalism.

If you deny the ontic validity of real abstractions of course you will reject value theory, but thats not an "own".

>As a rule, the most general abstractions arise only in the midst of the richest possible concrete development, where one thing appears as common to many, to all. Then it ceases to be thinkable in a particular form alone. On the other side, this abstraction of labour as such is not merely the mental product of a concrete totality of labours. Indifference towards specific labours corresponds to a form of society in which individuals can with ease transfer from one labour to another, and where the specific kind is a matter of chance for them, hence of indifference. Not only the category, labour, but labour in reality has here become the means of creating wealth in general, and has ceased to be organically linked with particular individuals in any specific form. Such a state of affairs is at its most developed in the most modern form of existence of bourgeois society—in the United States. Here, then, for the first time, the point of departure of modern economics, namely the abstraction of the category 'labour', 'labour as such', labour pure and simple, becomes true in practice. The simplest abstraction, then, which modern economics places at the head of its discussions, and which expresses an immeasurably ancient relation valid in all forms of society, nevertheless achieves practical truth as an abstraction only as a category of the most modern society …

>… This example of labour shows strikingly how even the most abstract categories, despite their validity—precisely because of their abstractness—for all epochs, are nevertheless, in the specific character of this abstraction, themselves likewise a product of historic relations, and possess their full validity only for and within these relations.


>Bourgeois society is the most developed and the most complex historic organization of production. The categories which express its relations, the comprehension of its structure, thereby also allows insights into the structure and the relations of production of all the vanished social formations out of whose ruins and elements it built itself up, whose partly still unconquered remnants are carried along within it, whose mere nuances have developed explicit significance within it, etc. Human anatomy contains a key to the anatomy of the ape. The intimations of higher development among the subordinate animal species, however, can be understood only after the
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no idea who tf you talkin bout uygha lmao



 

sequel to "What went wrong?",

discuss the state of the "Axis of Resistance" and its future: Iran, Hezbollah, formerly Syria (what is SDF's role? critical support or no?), and Hamas, Houthis, various other militias.

relevant listening:
Radio War Nerd EP 487 — Israel-Hezbollah Ceasefire + Syria Collapse, feat. Cyrus
https://www.audacy.com/podcast/war-nerd-radio-subscriber-feed-c4cea/episodes/radio-war-nerd-ep-487-israel-hezbollah-ceasefire-syria-collapse-feat-cyrus-guest-co-host-aamer-ef7a4
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>Behrouz Esbati, a senior Iranian general who oversaw Tehran's military operations in Syria, revealed that Assad had refused several requests to open a front against Israel. He attacked Russia, accusing it of collaborating with the IDF, promised to "recruit" new rebels against the new government in Syria, and explained that there won't be another Iranian attack on Israel as the "situation" does not realistically allow it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/world/middleeast/iran-general-syria-defeat.html

>>2105361
>Capitalism been around for a while now and no longer needs primitive accumulation just to exist.
capitalism always needs new markets
libs are completely fine with racism and genocide as long as it benefits "progress" i.e. capital accumulation

Looks like the Israel-Hamas conflict is also over for now, with Syria and Hezbollah unable to supply them

>>2095768
real marxist take here man holy shit

>>2095768
>after it became clear there was no hope of winning, palestinians should have accepted Israel and become Israeli citizens, to then try to change it from inside, civil rights movements, marriage etc…
Except that Israel doesn't want them to become citizens and is adamant about never granting them citizenship or even residency. What they want is to ethnically cleanse what remains of Palestine and disperse the population into the surrounding countries in the hopes that they will be absorbed and lose their national identity.



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>"We're looking to make concessions with the government currently in charge, you know the one that wasn't democratically elected and vehemently hated by everyone? The same government we opposed just a few weeks ago?"

ROFL what a bunch of useless cucks

It's agitprop. Demonstrating that you can't do that by trying.

This didn't need it's own thread.



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>>2114797
Go back to reddit, lil guy

>>2114822
DSA has never sent their best

>>2114744
That's weird, he sure didn't want credit for it.

>>2114582
My version of "reality therapy" is having Mexican parents. A good mixture of good food, class consciousness, and boasting our strengths to those who seek to demean us.

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>>2112789
>he doesn't know humans are all the same species and racially mixed
ngmi



 

>be American
>cut down a bazillion trees for agriculture
>build cities in fucking deserts
<wtf why is all of California on fire how could this happen



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lets talk about some left wing movies/ and the messaging from them. is there anything interesting you guys have seen recently? anything that could be repurposed as propaganda or even some oc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4sQVESMMps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZf5nQWqJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWRVyaKnGcA
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>>2113669
You say it louder boy

>>2113669
ironically the thing itself is based on literal fascist propaganda made an allegory for jews and communism but somehow john carpenter actually depoliticized it.

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The Young Karl Marx is pretty good. It avoids turning Marx into a bleeding-heart liberal unlike most people's interpretations (assassin's creed is one). It actually focuses on Marx's break from the Young Hegelians, the beginnings of his and Engel's friendship and their intellectual struggle against Proudhon and his apostles. It also has some funny winks and nods for people that know their history, like I chuckled at Bakunin following Proudhon around like he's his dad.

There are a few scenes injected to make it more of a "movie" like him and Engels running from the secret police or the implication that the Communist Manifesto is what caused a civil war later on. It ultimately doesn't hurt the movie.

>>2113669
>escape from new york though
I miss the tits of Adrienne Barbeau in that movie. Those were some juicy melons. Although I wish they got a less sexualized character so it doesn't distract from the military spec-ops vibe of the movie. Sex and Violence don't mix in my opinion.

roger and me was what originally radicalized me, say what you will about michael moore but he's made some pretty good stuff if sicko can end up with a guy getting shot then this shit could do a lot more



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Weed is legal in my state and the taxes it generates go to good causes like drug rehab for the bad substances. The only people still opposed to recreational cannabis in 2025 are obsolete minded right-wingers over the age of 65.

It's accepted socially and proven a safer alternative to alcohol and hard drugs. Do you have any reasonable argument for keeping weed federally illegal? Do you have a personal reason to oppose its use?

If you do use it what kind do you like and how do you take it? I like all of it in every form but mostly I do bong hits of buds. It's incredibly cheap now so no matter what size of habit you have it's not going to break the bank like drugs or booze can. Weed is less than a dollar a gram now. It's paradise.
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>>2113380
>People outside the US don't smoke weed

its 4 AM here and i am getting high as i type this before taking my roommate to work. weed helps me a lot with executive dysfunction, it helps me to control my reactions to my thoughts and to direct my thoughts, instead of just dissociating to my eternal self deprecating internal monologue. i smoke it out of a bong mostly but i prefer vapes tbh. strain etc. doesn't seem matter to me at all, just THC content. i don't drink or do any other kinds of drugs except like caffeine.

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>>2114383
Sounds a lot like me and my life.

I've had my best workout sessions while high, specifically sativa.

>>2113278
A little bit of psychosis never hurt anyone
>>2114424
Seriously this is the correct way to use edibles/vaping. Never smoke more than once every 3-7 days, or it makes you worse at studying



 

US says Hamas has replaced almost all killed fighters in Gaza with new recruits
While Israel succeeded in decapitating Hamas’s leadership in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran, Blinken suggested that the group remains a power in the Gaza Strip and could complicate plans for post-war governance of the enclave. Blinken’s speech comes in the final countdown of the Biden administration’s days in office. It was unusually forthright and laced with criticism of the US’s ally.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-says-hamas-has-replaced-almost-all-killed-fighters-gaza-new-recruits

Genocidal Turkish state attacks civilians at Tishrin Dam once again
The occupying Turkish state and allied mercenaries have once again targeted the citizens holding a resistance vigil at the Tishrin Dam on Thursday. As an activist recorded the area after a bombardment, the moments of another attack were caught on camera. While the details of the aggression are not yet clear, attacks on the area continue.
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-syria/genocidal-turkish-state-attacks-civilians-at-tishrin-dam-once-again-77465

UN warns of retaliatory attacks against Sudan civilians
Local rights groups report that Kanabi communities – residents of informal settlements and traditionally seasonal agricultural workers from other parts of Sudan – were accused of collaborating with the RSF, which controlled Al-Jazira for over a year.
https://www.newarab.com/news/un-warns-retaliatory-attacks-against-sudan-civilians

Ghana’s turn away from the Sahrawi people undermines continental solidarity
The move, framed as a step to “remove any impediment” to resolving the Western Sahara dispute under United Nations auspices, has drawn parallels to a similar controversy in Kenya two years ago, following President William Ruto’s inauguration. On the day after Ruto assumed office, Kenya announced it was severing tiesPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Thanks News Anon

>>2115065
#RapeRoaches

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TYBNA

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>>2115310
Blessed picture. We will kill (or humanely reform them if we are in a position to) them all.

>>2115065
as if erdojew isn't supporting israel



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>>2105441
Peak shitlibbery to boycott spending money in particular towns because they voted the wrong way
We need to eradicate these people from leftist spaces

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https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/rally-vote-majors-out
I reckon some rightoid will just go up and and say some racist shit and get boo'd out

>>2114049
Jesus this is just a flytrap for cookers

>>2110573
>>2110712
Because most of them at least dream of running their own business. Which many of them do by going into private practice at least part time.

A skilled craftsman who works in a factory but dreams of setting up his own business has a petty bourgeois mentality. These people will not support socialism until they are proletarianised.

>>2114049
>The requested page "/content/rally-vote-majors-out" could not be found.


lel



 

El Salvador has proven the only way to solve rampant crime is through mega prisons and zero-tolerance laws.

What’s stopping Detroit or Chicago from doing this?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=69qKUoGhoQo
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>>2115115
> The LaRouchefags were also big shills for him.
It never ends with these bozos but there's an ordinance against speaking about their clear ideological heirs

>>2115299
>Bukele hasn't proved that mega-prisons and zero-tolerance are the glorious solution to crime
When they tried it with Escobar he just turned the prison into his personal palace

>>2115266
probably because you're a reactionary imbecile

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>>2115039
>put everyone in jail
>make deals with gangs to not kill people in public, hide bodies better
>make evidence of mass killings classified information

>>2116819
easy with the estrogen, comrade



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