/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2591280
>>Wants the Party to lead the revolution
Bureaucrat.
>>Wants to establish councils/re-establish multiparty elections within the scope of socialism once the revolution abolishes capitalism
It'd be contradictory to have one party leading the working class and to then have multiparty elections, that would defeat the party's purpose. Also political parties are bourgeois.
>>Wants to be worldwide so that the bourgeoisie can't establish itself somewhere else
Yeah but how does that actually happen?
>The ML actions don't seem to have been this excellent too
Which proves that they're both impotent.

I can't speak to historical divisions as I've never found Trotsky that worthwhile as a theorist. I still don't understand what permanent revolution would mean in a practical sense had Trotsky taken power in the 20s, and Stalin ended up siding with the left of the party by the end of the 20s anyway.

As an organiser in Britain, I have frequent contact with Trots. They vary depending on the party.

> Socialist Party
Honestly, these guys are fine. They're a key part of TUSC which is a worthwhile project. They tend to have good links with local councils and, in my limited experience, will engage with MLs in good faith. They're not very radical so this probably helps avoid pointless sectarian bickering, or maybe I've only spoken with the good ones.

> SWP
They're sort of okay, I guess. Some of the work they do, like the People's Assembly and Stop the War, is important and MLs work alongside them. Individually they're often fairly based older ladies who genuinely give a fuck and will work with you in good faith. As an org they're hopelessly committed to entryism and we've all heard the horror stories of how they lie and cheat and subvert collective movements to their organisational goals. The classic symbol of this is how they show up to broad left events with protest signs with their name plastered on it - just so lame and bad faith lol. They get a lot of work done but for little use - quite impressive how busy they are without their work going anywhere meaningful.

>RCP (formally Socialist Appeal)
Yeah, these guys suck really, really bad. Their political project is based on having the most radical and correct opinions, and then educating everyone to agree with these opinions. This is why they only sell newspapers and run internal educationals, because they think revolution entails convincing the working class to agree with their very limited and idealist interpretation of Marxism. They don't need to base their movement on the working class and their experiences because they already have the Correct Opinions TM. Any meaningful organisation within the working class is a waste of time and there's always an excuse to not do it - bureaucratic unions and such like.

Individually, they're almost always objectionable in their interactions with MLs. Just looking to pick a fight and bicker away. Actually, this is how they behaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Trotsky is OK but trotskyists are not.
In my country, trotskyists just repeat the liberal's geopolitical positions. They're all "free ukraini", "down with Maduro!", "Cuba's a dictatorship", and on and on. All they care about is "being right" and selling newspapers. They don't have the slightest interest in taking power.

>>2592540
I agree, he still did damage to the international movement, but it was inevitable imo.

>>2593356
Sure, Deng made retarded choices. But was Mao any better after the Sino-Soviet Split and the "le hegemon" nonsense?

>>2570436
>genz
>mostly elderly
Huh

It looks like the Nepal thread is gone, so I'm posting this here. I hope everyone that said this "gen z" shit wasn't a color revolution is ready to apologize.

US regime change front funded Nepalese youth revolutionaries, leaks reveal

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/12/10/cia-front-funded-nepal-revolutionaries/

>Leaked files reviewed by The Grayzone show the US gov’t covertly funded Nepalese youth groups in the run-up to a violent coup. The “Gen Z” shadow army mobilized as the US sought to neutralize Chinese and Indian influence over Kathmandu – now controlled by a leader chosen by an informal social media poll.

>The US government’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) spent hundreds of thousands of dollars tutoring dozens of Nepalese youth on “strategies and skills in organizing protests and demonstrations” prior to a violent coup which overthrew the government of Nepal in September 2025, leaked documents show.

>The documents reveal a clandestine campaign organized by an NED division known as the International Republican Institute (IRI) that sought to cultivate a Nepalese “network” of young political activists explicitly designed to “become an important force to support US interests.” The leaked documents note that the IRI’s program “connects vibrant youth… and political leaders” and “provides comprehensive trainings on how to launch advocacy campaigns and protests.”

>The demonstrations organized under the NED’s umbrella would relate to “issues selected” by the Institute and its local collaborators, thereby “ensuring the U.S. concerns with Nepal’s democracy [would] be resolved,” an IRI report stated. As The Grayzone reported, a similar effort by the IRI in Bangladesh helped generate a coup in August 2024.

>>2592415
glad to know even that close to the border,China just let the governements be couped for the lulz.
The CIA really is the only secret service allowed to do actual work to further their country interests once again.

>>2592415
Unbelievable how correct we always turn out to be man. Literally NED funded and managed lmfao. All those people screeching mad because we were skeptical and called it a color revolution, where are they now? I will accept their apology in the form of Japanese ritual suicide harakiri >>2592485
>This is China's fault somehow
Lol

Video shows just how retarded lawmakers prohibiting THC are.

Total 420chan refugee death

>>2592839
American WODigger

>>2589757
awwww hell naw the #PolPotPosting was deleted❗❗

>>2592419
Really appreciate your work on KR, this is probably the most informative thread on /leftypol/ right now.
For now I have a question that's probably a bit funny, but I'm curious. There are a few pictures on the internet of alleged Pol Pot statues that are now stored in the Tuol Sleng Museum. Yet at the same time we are told that Angkar was 100% secretive and no one was allowed to know the identity of "Comrade One".
Do you know of any sources confirming that these statues were displayed in public?

>>2592432
thank you anon („• ֊ •„) i wouldn't consider this to be much work though, mostly copy-pasting random material i find somewhat interesting due to various reasons. thank you for paying attention♡
>There are a few pictures on the internet of alleged Pol Pot statues that are now stored in the Tuol Sleng Museum.
yes honestly i was also rather surprised by these (genuine) statues at S-21/Tuol Sleng, especially with the vietnamese Kampuchea Dossier 3: The Dark Years pamphlet stating this in particular:
<In the two workshops [at Tuol Sleng presumably just after the Vietnamese discovery], busts and portraits of Pol Pot are seen everywhere. One can imagine under what constraint painters and sculptors were made to do this work. (published by Vietnam Courier, Hanoi - 1979)
https://archive.org/details/kampuchea-dossier-3

>Yet at the same time we are told that Angkar was 100% secretive and no one was allowed to know the identity of "Comrade One".
the secrecy (including initially) applied not only to the high leadership, but to all levels of the CPK organization, following stated by Nuon Chea (Brother No.2) in a speech to the visiting Communist Workers' Party of Denmark in July 1978:
<The Communist Party of Kampuchea has never before been legal. This is also true of other progressive organizations we created. We developed the tactic of secrecy, firstly, to defend ourselves, secondly, to mobilize more forces, and finally to serve our struggle, for example, in mobilizing intellectuals. We found they would not join us if we used semi-illegal forms, but with legal forms such as celebrations and visiting temples, they joined in. Thus, we made them join us step-by-step. Many semi-secret and semi-illegal and secret activities were organized so as to protect the wholly illegal and secret activities of the party centre. Thus, when the enemy attacked from outside, he struck semi-illegal and semi-secret activities only and we were able to defend our party and its leadership. In the neo-colonial, semi-feudal society [regimes of Sihanouk and Lon Nol which both actively persecuted Cambodian communists, or thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2592482
Fascinating, thanks. So they were probably looking forward to a more or less stable socialist society like in China where such depictions could be displayed?

>>2592506
yes; they did plan on the regime lasting a lot longer than it turned out to be and made plans spanning over multiple years, the first one and the only one that they could put to action before the invasion was a four-year plan (instead of the more "typical" five-year plans) presumably to have it finished by a "round date" of 1980
tables in picrel 3-4 from Pol Pot Plans the Future: Confidential Leadership Documents from Democratic Kampuchea, 1976-1977 1988, Yale University Southeast Asia Studies - useful only for the translations/tables, authors' prefaces are rather biased
<mfw ben kiernan

>>2592112
why would uae-controlled stc destroy saudi's economy?

>>2592112
UAE-Saudi inter-imperialist war incoming !

Fucking good. Any stupid war involving Saudi Arabia will cause potential fiscal crisis.

booooorrrring

>>2592112
I think thats just diplomatic stuff, they'll threaten war, STC is probably going to give in a few things, Saudis won't do anything, STC gets propaganda boost of seeming like reasonable and rational side, whilst Saudis get to save face because this is already a fairly humilating situation. They won't attack because they'll know that STC defeat will just mean Houthis victory and they'd rather have to deal with UAE puppet on their border rather then an Iranian one.

>>2592061
source?

>>2592059
>uhh uhh you support democrats

Shut the fuck up. Tailing the more reactionary of the bourgeoisie parties doesn’t make you a communist or an anti-imperialist. All you do is jizz your pants over rightiods that stumble into a somewhat correct opinion.

>>2592134
>Tailing the more reactionary of the bourgeoisie parties doesn’t make you a communist
Nobody was saying that schizo

New thread

https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2592193.html

>>2592059
>he's good at lying
ok nobody cares

>>2591600
You can just say poor people. They aren't out there beating and killing the OJ Simpsons of the world. Reminder that idpol minded Americans celebrated his acquittal at the time. I spoke to an old black guy about it once, he said he and his friends were ecstatic that a rich black guy could get away with the same shit as a rich white man. He said even back then he thought he did it though.

>>2577824
If there's one thing AES countries are known for, it's lax policing

>>2592085
They don't kill people like here. Most of them are unarmed.

>>2577848
>The cops, especially in America, are armed with military surplus
This needs to be emphasized a lot more when we're discussing police.
The police didn't become hyper-militarized by accident. They are getting surplus directly FROM the military, and of course they're going to find every excuse to use it. It's directly tied into the military industrial complex.

>>2578875
This is such a dumb and reductive way of looking at things.
Obviously the police exist as they are, not in a hypothetical communist future, and the police exist the way they are because of capitalism, and the police are one of the major barriers protecting capitalism. The idea that you could just keep them as-is even under a DotP is fantasy.

>>2592243
I think it stands to reason that a united Europe would be more capable of asserting itself as an independent power than a divided one. Even if the EU is lacking the will to do so, it would inevitably have a greater capacity for it than any individual European state. If America wants to more aggressively dominate Europe and ensure its perpetual subordination then breaking up the EU is perfectly rational.

>>2591958
>extractivist
You can't use a term from "Why Nations Fail", a piece of moronic bourgeois propaganda, and not be called a liberal and a moron. "Extractive institutions" are a thing as opposed to "inclusive institutions" that are supposedly more innovative because they protect property rights and have a diverse elite as well as a powerful middle class. If you are a materialist, you want to crush anyone who unironically thinks like this. Thankfully, capitalism itself is crushing you. You deserve it and it will get worse.

>>2592080
>most of Manchukuo industry
I kinda doubt that, but anyway the important part was getting the territory and all the weapons of an entire army

>>2590563
Autismo larpuighurs will do absolutely anything to frame reading and posting as revolutionary acts. That is all that any of this "support" or "opposition" is. At most you send a delegation and they do what? Have a photo op with the Houthis? Wow, really changing the world. Until Communists have state power it's retarded to talk about supporting or opposing anything on the other side of the planet.

>>2590649
Third worldist!!
Campist!!
Tankie!!
Authoritarian!!
Stalinist!!
Commie!!

>>2591705
Your "I'm above it all, don't have opinions on anything" stance is the most retarded of all"

>>2591741
pretty much

When people here complain about third worldism they are usually complaining about very straightforward Leninism, something to keep in mind

>>2586159
>Make unsubstantiated claims
>Prefix them with "objectively" or "material"
That's pretty much the crux of what passes for argumentation or analysis on here.

It's a goddamn shame because the whole point of dialectical materialism is to avoid the kind of vibes based assertions of shit like "The Protestant Work Ethic" and grounding political thought in reality. Instead it's used by a few as window dressing for the same vibe based assumptions.

>>2586166
>>2586167
Y'know what fucking blows my mind is the ACP will make bizarre exclamations
>"Gays are naturally imperialist"
>"America is some authoritarian collectivist Eurasianist state"
They'll proclaim themselves "MAGA Communists" and you'll get absolutely childish people here saying "Erm, they're objectively to the left of the CPUSA".

I think this boils down to people not even in leftist orgs trying to dictate what the wider movement "should look like"

>>2586172
It like… HAS to be solely keyboard warrior shit, right? How much of this even happens irl? Is this just another permutation of the "marketplace of ideas"?

>>2586174
Yknow I think an awful lot about what an older comrade once told me, which amounted to: "The most radical thing you can say doesn't necessarily mean the most radical thing you can do.." I'd say people who aren't in parties but consider themselves "Marxist-Leninists" are attracted more to the aesthetic of politics than actual politics.

And the ACP is a great source of aesthetics for them, they're throwing their logo on everything, they're waving their flags around, its a full social media blitz. Most importantly they always swagger about like they're "winning" and act like every tiny advance is a huge momentum shifting victory.

It's great for people who are more concerned with vibes I'd say.

>>2586100
cheers

They’re all five fuck up cult that deserve to be bashed in their skull