/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

guns are lame, fists are cool

>>2442206
and scythes are the coolest

It's possible in the right circumstances, Chile voted socialism in, but their example proved that it can't be defended peacefully. Unfortunately violence at some point will be necessary.

In my opinion, it is first necessary to uncuck ourselves from the trap of legality, reformism, non-violence and all that jazz. That doesn't mean turning to some kind of Clockwork Orange gang or some Mexican drug cartel with red flags. That means understanding that power has its logic, its mechanisms and ignoring them altogether is fatal. So, an healthy dose of Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Von C. and even Schmitt - properly purified from reactionary concepts - would be necessary for anyone wanting to operate in the realm of actual politics. At the very least, you need to understand with accuracy how your enemy thinks, how he operates, what he can do, what he can't do, what his strong and weak points are etc.
I have no doubt that if well trained and equipped socialist militias had existed at many points in recent history and they had the motivation and determination to strike hard, fast and decisively, certain ugly developments in many parts of the world wouldn't have happened and even if they eventually did, many of the goblins would have gone six feet under much sooner than they expected.
There's an adage where I'm from: the compassionate doctor made the wound purulent.

Nah

>>2402447
I know you already got an answer, but here's what I was able to find on political opposition to child marriage in the US.
The opposition to banning child marriages in California has come from Children’s Law Center the ACLU and Planned Parenthood (they did agree to a weaker compromise bill, look at the bottom most link in this post if you want a full overview), but elsewhere in the country most opposition to banning has come from religious and social conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/09/child-marriage-laws
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/end-child-marriage-u-s-you-might-be-surprised-who-n1050471
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-in-us-cbsn-originals/
https://missouriindependent.com/2024/05/13/last-ditch-push-to-ban-child-marriage-in-missouri-must-overcome-resistance-in-house/
https://web.archive.org/web/20180518041438/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/child-marriage-minimum-age-minors.html

I've also been looking at the exact law codes and a lot of don't have any, even token protections. A few states require emancipation of the minor, which should be obvious even to the 'but what if the child consents' crowd. Without emancipation they literally can't even divorce (or run away) on their own, but marriage without the ability to do full time work would still be a disastrous and coercive power imbalance with a major, even disregarding issues around psychological maturity.
https://www.findlaw.com/family/marriage/stPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2444605
Being married without being emancipated is fucking insane.

>>2440789
>>2435865
Depends on which Robert Evans you're talking about. Not the film producer. Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards which previously worked for cracked, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Evans_(journalist)

>>2444605
Thanks, good post

>>2444605
The heritage foundation is a massive influence on removing the age of consent

>>2445045
>But it's a bit retarded to screech about purges of ML parties when you don't even consider ML authentic socialism.
Who ever said it had to make sense? After all, you're talking about the same people that simped for NATO-backed Islamic clero-fascists in Libya and Syria.

>>2445081
No, I'm saying the opposite. That the Soviets were only just beginning to consolidate their influence over the future Warsaw Pact at this time and that as such the actions of these governments can't be considered simple proxies for Soviet foreign policy.

>>2445082
citation needed

>>2445075
>Prove that my assertion is an assertion
Lmao how about you prove that the Soviet Union was directly responsible for Israeli victory

>when and in what quantity?

<Soviet-Syrian and Soviet-Lebanese secret treaties in 1946 was as follows:

<The Soviet Union agrees to send a sufficient number of military personnel to Syria, comprising military instructors and high-ranking officers, in order to help Syria to build up as rapidly as possible a national army of some strength. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70. Citing: From Encroachment to Involvement, a Documentary Study of Soviet Policy in the Middle East, 1945-1973. Israel University Press, Yaacov Ro’i, 1974, pp. 29-30) (IMG)

<A secret treaty between the USSR and the Lebanese government based on these [above] clauses, was signed two days later. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70) (IMG)

<backed Syria and Lebanon during the 1948 War. As material support for the Arab fighters, the Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak People’s Democracy provided weapons whereas Romania supplied the petroleum:

<Some of the Arab League countries have purchased arms from Czechoslovakia; the largest shipments to the Arabs from that country have gone to Syria and Lebanon. Small shipments from the USSR or Balkan ports are also reported to have landed on the Syrian and Lebanese coasts; also, petroleum products are now being shipped to Lebanon by Rumania. (POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENTS FROM THE PALESTINE TRUCE, ORE 38-48, CIA, July 27, 1948, p. 9) (IMG)
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>>2445077
You have a child's understanding of history

( TrueAnon) Episode 483: Brandy Melville Cattle Prod
We’re joined by Ezra Marcus to discuss his new article in NY Mag (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/william-duplessie-john-woeltz-nyc-clubs-crypto-soho-torture.html) about two Bitcoin guys alleged to have gone nutty and kidnapped an Italian, torturing him in a house filled with Brandy Melville employees.
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/brandy-melville-cattle-prod

Critique of the Florence Program: On Democracy & Mediation - Leon V (2025)
In the aftermath of the most recent convention of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), the organization stands in a precarious situation. Conflicts between the “Left” and “Right” of the DSA threaten to dismantle, or at the least disrupt, the current activities of the organization. However much the Left and Right disagree on issues, such as Palestine, the American national question, etc., they have found themselves united in the meditation of class conflict instead of its escalation. Many are familiar with “the largest socialist organization in the country” (in their own words), and many more will certainly become more familiar with their name following the primary election of Zohran Mamdani for NYC mayor and other minor campaigns, such as those of Omar Fateh. This is where both wings of the DSA unite together into a single organization that has seemingly shifted its dedication towards putting up candidates for public office. If this everlong, and ultimately futile, quest to obtain any modicum of political power was only sought after by the liberal elements of the DSA, we would have nothing to say as we are not liberals nor have any interest in opining on what tactics and strategies liberals take. Our issue comes when some of the most ardent defenders and proponents of electoralism are coming from the “Communist” camp of the DSA, those of the neo-Kautskyite Marxist Unity Group or the post-Trotskyist Bread and Roses (just to name a few). We have prepared some criticisms of a draft program written by Marxist Unity Group called The Florence Program, and while this specific draft program is slightly out of date (written in FePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2444671
>newborn removed from Greenlandic mother after ‘parenting competence’ tests
This is genocide, by the way.

>>2444947
You may not like it, but this is what Newgene thought looks like.

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Kilmar Abrego Garcia is freed from Tennessee jail so he can rejoin family in Maryland to await trial
The release order from the Tennessee court requires Abrego Garcia to travel directly to Maryland, where he will be in home detention with his brother designated as his custodian. He is required to submit to electronic monitoring and can only leave the home for work, religious services and other approved activities.
https://apnews.com/article/abrego-garcia-jail-release-deportation-trial-6eb8e95da3bfb7b7ed89dc156702b295

CEO-to-worker pay gap surges to 632 to 1 at US’s lowest-paying large firms, study shows
As executive remuneration ballooned, the average CEO-to-worker pay gap across the 100 companies in the S&P 500 with lowest median worker pay – dubbed the Low-Wage 100 by the Institute for Policy Studies – widened by 12.9% between 2019 and 2024, from 560 to 1 to 632 to 1. “Median pay increased only modestly, whereas CEO pay really skyrocketed,” said Sarah Anderson, director of the Global Economy Project at the Institute for Policy Studies, and author of the report.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/21/ceo-worker-salaries

Immigrant dairy workers strike to stop Wisconsin cheese company from violating their basic rights
W&W Dairy, a producer of Hispanic-style cheeses, was purchased recently by DFA, which gave all employees until August 30 to provide proof of legal status through the E-Verify online system. While roughly half the nearly 100-strong workforce resigned immediately, the remaining 43 workers—some with decades of service—refused to comply without receiving three weeks of severance pay per year worked. The company not only denied this demand but reportedly threatened to call ICE should workers engage in legally protected strike action.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/21/jily-a21.html

Crumbling dam reveals potential risks of private hydroelectric ownership
For at least 15 years, the federal governmPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The Far-Right Protest Vote in Romania
Romania’s recent elections saw surging support for “ultranationalist” candidates — especially after a breakthrough for the eccentric Călin Georgescu. The December 2024 cancellation of the initial first-round results over claims of Russian interference soon plunged the race into turmoil, heightening the sense of mounting pressure on the country’s institutions. The eventual rerun this May handed victory to former Bucharest mayor Nicușor Dan, a pro-European candidate, albeit not without a strong showing for Donald Trump admirer George Simion. Despite Dan’s victory, Romania’s far right is within touching distance of the successes of its Polish and Hungarian counterparts. In these elections, we got a sense of what its base of support looks like. Andrei Țăranu is one of the most insightful political analysts in Romania. In an interview with Pablo Castaño in Bucharest, he examines the roots of the rise of Romanian ultranationalism.
https://jacobin.com/2025/08/romania-far-right-ultranationalism-elections

Bagong Pilipinas, Same Old Story
The 2025 State of the Nation Address (SONA) delivered by Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr. was, as expected, a circus of illusions and empty promises meant to deodorize the rotting carcass of a state in deep crisis. Marcos Jr. touted supposed economic growth, foreign investment inflows, and infrastructure projects as signs of a “Bagong Pilipinas.” But beneath the rhetoric lies the enduring reality of a semicolonial and semifeudal state, ruled by a corrupt and fascist regime fully subordinated to US imperialist interests. More than anything else, Marcos Jr.’s SONA was a report card to his US masters and to the local ruling classes, signaling that the Philippine reactionary state remains open for plunder and repression, and that the US-Marcos regime remains committed to its historic role as a puppet of US imperialism.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/20976/

The funeral of the so-called “21st century socialism” in Bolivia
The results of Sunday's elections in Bolivia were devastating for the leftist “Movement of Socialism” (Movimiento al Socialismo), known by the acronym Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2443392
>Hundreds gather in India’s Mumbai to denounce Israeli genocide of Palestinians
For an Indian protest that's microscopic. Keep in mind this is a country where protests reaching the tens of millions of participants aren't unheard of.

>>2443440
>The funeral of the so-called “21st century socialism” in Bolivia
>Eduardo del Castillo, MAS’s candidate, received only approximately 3 percent of the vote
Holy shit fucking oof. Very good article overall. Very correct on the inherent opportunism and weakness of "21st century socialism".

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Maybe I haven't been clear enough.

I believe that Capitalism is a horrible system, it was designed to be a Jewish pyramid scheme and Communism was designed to abolish the class system entirely which I disagree with however the Socialism that is present within Communist belief I do prefer over a Capitalist state like the United States because it structures society which a Capitalist system lacks and is part of why multi culturalism is so relevant today; This is if I had to choose either or of course but both are flawed and have killed millions and persecuted many Christians.

This is why I am a Corporatist which doesn't have a track record of death and famine and corruption. Corporatism recognizes that everyone has a role in society and that everyone is better at different things than others and so Corporatism relies on Trades. Some people are not fit to work and are better fit for a clergy and so on…

Corporatism takes the best of both Capitalism and Communism and I believe Corporatism is best paired with a Monarchy because Monarchies only fall due to conquest and this is why dynasties exist and the King cannot be swayed because if he does wake up one morning and decides to go against the church he cannot because he will be shunned and embarrassed by his whole nation and the Church that rules. There is no higher King than the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>2444339
I believe National Socialism to be a direct Opposition of Communism, they are opposites, but they fight for the same exact position and in that way, they are the exact same thing especially when you consider National Socialism originating from Strasserism which was a Marxist ideology.
And today when you see these "neo nazis", they don't realize that National Socialism was a movement created by the Germans for the Germans and not to be exported to other foreign nations much like ᴉuᴉlossnW's Fascism.
Those who call themselves National Socialists today are only larping, and the Communists are larping as well in the same manner.

>>2438551
Tbh they really are.
Fascism probably got its ideals of a one-party state from Leninism.

>>2444481
Well it's also mass politics. The right up to that point hadn't ever really thought of politics as being mass politics, rather it was the left that was at the cutting edge of that. But saying they're the same is kind of like saying the USSR and Nazi Germany were the same because they both had tank divisions, but to some extent enemies who are fighting each other can come to resemble each other as they adapt to the other's moves in a struggle for survival.

Also called mimesis

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>>2444115
Huh?

>>2444102
I think you know how poorly your refutation would be received so you just act incredulous

>>2444099
I don't think governments are as competent as they project themselves to be. I genuinely believe you can in fact LARP yourself into overthrowing the government with nothing more than an angry mob at the right time and place.

The surveillance state apparatus is only ever used reactively, to character assassinate or manufacture pretext for harassing political dissidents. It's very ineffective(and this is proven) at stopping terrorism, much less local organizing which takes place in a country that is actually barely surveillance-capable outside of big cities. Have you ever seen those news reports on people going missing on hiking trails or in the woods/mountains? They use fucking helicopters and still can't find them for days/weeks/months. America's wilderness is vast and largely unmonitored. The surveillance state works great in big cities where most activism takes place, but once you exit the like 5 mile radius of Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc metro areas it's basically impossible for the government to track you without a cellphone. There's literally fugitives on the FBI most wanted list that are still living in t he US.

I'm not sure why burgers have this confidence in their government being the most advanced and sophisticated in the world when we've been electing nothing but retards for the last 60 years without fail.

>>2444110
It very very much is not. Russia in the 1880's was an agrarian backwater too overextended for its own good while relying heavily on ethnic Russian chauvinism, welfare systems were nonexistent to the point they make America look like a social democracy by comparison, there was a growing industrial proletariat, etc. By contrast America today is nominally a constitutional democracy primarily focused on a service economy despite all of Trump's LARPing, mass communication allowing for decentralized networks to easily link with each other, a more robust type of patriotism that allows and other ethnicities to identify as American and defend the state, and it's also not directly conquering territory either instead relying on proxies.

This is not to say that revolution is impossible in America, but it will have to take a very VERY different form than what the Bolsheviks managed

>>2439670
>>2439817
like that would make evo any less of a libtard in general or his programme any less leftoid

pseuds will talk about le systemic whatever and then be like ohhhhh this public figure would be le perfect communist if only they had a different belief or acted differently on this one single issue

>>2443293
Just a rant about how Evo did a big shit. No mention of Arce or Andronico and the eocnomical factor.
The board has a better analysis lol

>>2435031
>>2435113
Andrónico best girl

>idpol
how.
sad if that's ture

>>2434583
>stagnating aspects of highly developed capital. Porkies buy up patents and sit on them, oil porkies suppress nuclear power, imperialists suppress the industrialization of the periphery.
these are not just ways to prevent the profit rate falling further, but reactions to the profit rate having already fallen somewhat. Someone else also mentioned sitting on patents, but in a different thread >>2433830

>>2434539
war is increasingly difficult to arrange due to nooks
on the other hand nuclear war would destroy so much fixed capital, pushing up the RoP, that I suspect it is inevitable

I think trying to prove the falling rate of profit is a moot project at this point because it's literally impossible to calculate with the fourth industrial revolution and the rent economy. Attempts made such as by Michael Roberts are mostly just based on classic industrial scales. Also there is China now which is a whole different can of worms with its heavily state-interventionist model.

Past a certain point there isn't a point proving it, it just is

Cockshott on India and the falling rate of profit

>>2439283
>Development of the productive forces is already done.
Wtf do you mean "its done"? Development isn't something that just has an end point.

China seems to be doing things pretty environmentally now. All those windmills and solar panels are enabling production that made the shit they were doing under oil look like fuckall.

>>2441690
This is why Kaczynski killed himself, he realized how wrong he was when he learned about the glory of China.

>>2439283
>before a socialist revolution can occur
thats not what its about though. development of productive forces happens after the revolution lol you have to have control of the state first

>>2439283
>Development of the productive forces is already done.
wrong. The required productive forces for defense of the revolution is always relative to the external forces that seek to overthrow it. If AES states have to defend themselves from counter revolutionaries, then they are stuck in an arms race with counter revolutionaries. Just because they have enough productive forces to sustain themselves doesn't matter when they live in a world still dominated by capitalism.

Socialists states are in a holding pattern while they wait for you to overthrow your own bourgeoisie.