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"maybe people will use it this time" edition

please discuss low effort and boilerplate debate topics in here instead of actually making it into it's own thread.
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>>2238644
gem noted for next round

Why do lefties deny bbc as material force?

>>2238650
No, i meant rightoids making BBC compilations from african movie productions and marvelslop

>>2238665
A confirmation bias then

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the older i get, the more i have set into the postmodern malaise that this is really the end of history. irony has poisoned all sincerity. God is dead, and so is art. any arguments against this perspective?



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What is the source of the endless bitching and moaning from the burger reich (who is btw the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the pharaoh of proxy wars, etc. etc. etc.) about "China is stealing muh intellectual property"? Is there any basis to this accusation or are the burger fuhrers really just manufacturing consent again? From what I understand mainland Chinese exchange students have their names all over research papers in burger universities, so isn't it the other way around? Isn't America brain draining everyone, and then privatizing the results of that?

I've always called it the "ancient aliens effect" in which at any given point the significant portion of population in imperial core literally cannot imagine the idea of people outside the imperial core being able to accomplish anything and definitely not be superior to them in something. ts aint new either spanish conquistadors would rather tell eachother that demons and devils built the cities of the Inca and Aztecs than admit they built there own cities. Most of the time its more mundane stuff like what you mention OP like amerifats coping with their decline be accusing China of violating IP(as if that something anyone cared abt before lmao) or how all the buildings are hollow of the city actively under construction is likely totally a ghost city bro. Sometimes they will go far enough to go back conquistador demon shit but now they just say aliens instead.

>>2238661
Its a lack of imagination. Most people lack imagination, not just westerners



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Can we admit that sober "culture" sucks and is actually destructive for society's well being?
Hippies suck too. Sobriety shouldn't be banned but sober snobbism is cringe. Anti-addiction shouldn't be a narrative. Anti-addiction preachers only increase mental health problems and are a detriment for your psyche, deterring from the real issue of the war on drugs and its repressions. Not saying the end goal of life is to be literate but every sober snob I know from high school has seriously failed to learn even the most basic of texts from Marx and is generally a liberal or a nazi, though there isn't much of a difference. It's why the crusty sober preacher who reeks of sweat and farts is a well known stereotype.

/s

The serious question is why do mods allow this shit on the main board >>2238383 and why don't they enforce their own rules 7), 11), 14) a) b) c) d) e) f) g), 15) when it comes to anti drug idpol?

Under communism you will be forced to smoke weed, this is the reality that the liberal media doesn't want you to hear

>>2238640
Imagine defining yourself by what you dont do. Its all a resentiment and slave morality, the sobriety "culture" i mean



 

It seems that it's much easier to make a principled Socialist than it is to make something that conforms to ML or similar. How do you deal with the "Hard Sells"? What other "Hard Sells" can you think of?

<The Easy Sells:

>Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.
>(Opposition to the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie.)
>Anti-imperialism and Anti-chauvinism
>Central planning? (Opposition to the chaos of the markets).

<The Hard Sells:

>Dictatorship of the Proletariate
>Democratic Centralism
>Dialectic Materialism (Opposition to ideal space, no ideal oppression).
>Opposition to Bourgeois Freedoms
>Organize (Opposition to consumerism, online, etc.)
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>>2235918
cant have one without the other, and current situation is destroying our socials nets and environment, so something gotta change anyway, and the ML are the only ones who have managed to implement a different model

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>>2237944
>the hard sells in question:
>organization
>opposition to burgeois freedom
/leftypol/ has fallen

>>2238199
>getting demoralized by one TORposter
Get a fucking grip.

>>2237060
I understand dialectical materialism (mostly) but what is "opposition to ideal space" and "no ideal oppression"?

>>2237894
>the vanguard earns it support through practical action by virtue of being the most advanced.
Don't want a left-technocracy. Not least of all because the vanguard might have interests contrary to the people. This is the same problem as representative democracy. Am not sure that direct democracy is the only way out, but it might be.

Your arguments on freedom were lost on me, they're too advanced, will try to read them further later.

>>2238372
Perhaps the label is wrong the thought was that this would be the idea that people are oppressed by language, and interactions, in addition to material circumstance.



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I hate what capitalism has done to eastern Europe. It has destroyed my people, workers have no power and nationalism has destroyed the once united people. The Left now, is made out of liberals who want destroy the people's legacy and be puppets of Berlin and London. The populations of eastern Europe are now full of retards who are racist against migrants while at the same time, we were not considered white for a very long time.

>>2238009
>we were not considered white for a very long time

What does being “white” have to do with no wanting to be inundated with foreigners? Being hostile to outsiders is race agnostic

>>2238009
You aren't white though

>>2238009
serbs were never considered white retard and its something you should be proud of.
To be "made white" means being either completely cucked to the imperial core as the worst collaborator or even the bigger crime getting added to it.

>The Left now, is made out of liberals

>now
the game was over from the start
what little progressive forces existed in the KPJ was purged in 1948 all that was left were nationalists and liberals,it was a politically illiterate organization that spent its historic mandate building a petty bourg larp state,they are the main reason it all fell apart the way it did and the main reason we dont have any real left wing structures anymore.



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>Russia is absolutely based and anti-imp…… uhm….

Remember to say thank you Israel you’re my greatest ally, since Russia getting weapons from them. Without Israeli merchants, Russia will lose the war.
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>>2235601
This. Russia is still the most socialist country in the planet, Putin is a communist through and through, he wants to revive the Soviets but he needs to play his cards close to his chest. Putin will reveal the new Soviet system as soon as the war in Ukraine concludes.

>>2235880
>it's really funny when I post something no one said, but I so badly wish they did
Pathetic tbh

Bump

>>2235601
>you clearly know nothing about the russian economy, other than what you read on BBC, Newsweek.
Neither BBC nor Newsweek will call Putin's government pro-Western.
Neither BBC nor Newswekk will praise the achievements of Lenin and Stalin
And Lenin's Mausoleum IS covered and off cameraas during victory parades.

What the fucking fuck are you on about?

Bump



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So there is 2 definitions.
Bourgeois. Culture Market exploitative ruling class. Donald Trump classifies as Bourgeois.
Proletariat. Working class who is exploited.

Lumpenproletariat who is not employed.

Is there any other class other than these 2? What would the ruling class classify as if not Bourgeois? This feels a little bit incomplete. Surely if communist rule did come into play, then the ruling class would classify as something else other than Bourgeois?

Wouldn't Kim Jong Un classify as Bourgeois? Wouldn't Xi Jinping classify as Bourgeois? Wouldn't Stalin classify as Bourgeois? What would the class of the leaders be exactly?
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>>2237324
@11:23 lol

>>2237014
Thank you for your definition + explanation. :)

Those two are the important ones, yeah, though lumpen is more a reserve labor force, so gangs still count as lumpen.
>Is Kim Jon Un bourgoise?
Idk the wikipedia on him uses impartial sounding language about him. Gonna assume not.

>>2238078
>Wouldn't Kim Jong Un classify as Bourgeois? Wouldn't Xi Jinping classify as Bourgeois? Wouldn't Stalin classify as Bourgeois? What would the class of the leaders be exactly?
They are all proletariat. There is no bourgeoisie in socialist mode of production

>>2237300
Yes kinda. Intersectionality in the common discourse basically means "solidarity with minorities" anyways. In more sophisticated circles, it means that each identity intersects to create a matrix of unique forms of oppression. This sounds similar to what I described, but the approach is different and easily leads to different conclusions. The approach I take starts at the concrete activities and relationships to Capital and production that set a specific class apart from the others. Whereas in the typical intersectional approach, you start at the identities, for example, woman, and you analyze that. Then woman + lesbian, then woman + lesbian + black. In this analysis, identities are the scope and then you investigate their unique experiences, including their unique form of oppression, not their specific relationship to Capital and production etc.

In the first analysis, one can say that it makes sense to have the proletariat be a class since they share the relationship of being propertyless quite obviously and their relationship to Capital is pretty clear. Then we can further subcategorize women proletariat inside the proletariat class as having a specific function and relationship than men proletariat do. It doesn't start with identities as individual personal traits merely on the cultural level, but with concrete social/productive roles that may or may not constitute culturally recognized identities. Eg "proletariat" isn't really recognized as an identity, but "woman" is.

This is why intersectionality was so easily coopted. The multinational company I work for even teaches it in it's diversity educational material.

What do you think?



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Given their vastly disproportionate wealth and power, including making up 40% of US billionaires, and the way that Israel is able to get away with war crimes and literal genocide, and the fact that "antisemitism" is regularly used as a cudgel against decolonial and social justice movements, would it be accurate to say that Jews are a privileged oppressor category, just like Christians, whites and men?
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>>2238013
yes, this is true. nazis do smile when WASPS exploit people but get upset when JEWS exploit people. thank you for reminding us that you're an idpol obsessed freak who cannot oppose capitalism as a mode of production

jews are white

>>2238153
Did you ask the jews?

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>>2237997
the only "privileged oppressor category" is the bourgeoisie
kys liberal

>>2238195
Where is this from? Does he include himself in "everybody here"?



 

Thread for discussion of ideological Sinomarxism. Primary sources: Collected works of Mao Zedong, Collected works of Deng Xiaoping, On the Governance of China by Xi Jinping.

www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3290159/mixing-marx-confucius-heart-matter-china

"The soul of a Communist is 'faith in Marxism' and belief in socialism and communism." Not Kierkegaard, but close. Either/or, Marx edition, baby.

OP here forgot to add the class collaboration banger that is The Doctrine of Fascism

First reply forgot to add that Marx was a Class Collaborationist cuz Engels was a rich kid.

Class collaborationism is a specific form of class relations; socialists tautologically do not do class collaborationism because the bourgeoisie is not dominant and subverting proletarian leaders.

Class collaborationism as an anti-Sinomarxist line glows as much as Zigger.

>>2238077
>any socialist project in the global south which does not conform to my idealized utopian anarchoid idea of socialism is le fascsime
kys now dog



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Brazilian judges accept coup plot charges against more Bolsonaro allies
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-india-trade-deal

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/yale-university-explores-sale-private-equity-fund-interests-2025-04-22/

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/22/walgreens-opioid-lawsuit-settlement

US FDA suspends milk quality tests amid workforce cuts
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Canadian lawyers borrow from U.S. playbook to quash Palestine solidarity
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https://breachmedia.ca/palestine-solidarity-canadian-lawyers-borrow-playbook-quash/

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