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 No.393785[Reply]

So, i'm hearing that some anons claiming that before RoP hitting zero, they will do a war and save capital
But how much is that true? Will masses really accept war at this age? Aren't wars cost too much today ? Aren't declining birthrates threats the potential soldier numbers? Aren't global-economy connected to each other to point that, any global-war crush the world to irreversible point? Aren't nuclear-nukes makes everyone afraid?
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 No.393919

>So, i'm hearing that some anons claiming that before RoP hitting zero, they will do a war and save capital
War serves as a very literal method of 'capital DESTRUCTION' by either destroying the MOP (see: levelling of most of central and western-europes industrial centres / forced deindustrialisation of east-germany) of the people who man them (Self explanatory) OR the collapse of the losing powers economy in response to the armistice terms (Collapse of the German and Italian economies in the aftermath of WW1)
>But how much is that true? Will masses really accept war at this age?
Why wouldn't they lmao? The majority of my country wants us to die to protect Taiwan and thinks we should have the americans nuke the chinkos so they dont become to stronk. Many people i talk to are under the outright delusion of our armed forces of less then 100'000 people could beat the PLA.
>Aren't wars cost too much today ?
Until the Petrodollar and Breton-Woods system is abolished Murica can continue printing fiat self-backed by its own economic chokehold on earth
>Aren't declining birthrates threats the potential soldier numbers?
Wars dont require as many soldiers as they used to.
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 No.393934

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>>393878
>>393870
>>393909
>Not answering the question
Bruh
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 No.393935

>>393785
The likelihood of another world war is low, but, if it does happen, it will likely be pretty catastrophic. Go live in New Zealand or some other remote location if you want to avoid the worst of it.
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 No.393939

>>393785
>economic interdependence prevents war
not sure about that, it does create a lot of antagonisms, because everybody is trying to control their external dependencies.
>Will masses really accept war at this age?
You mean like military conscription, no that would cause revolution the day it's announced. But the US for example has been able to use economic pressure to make poor people sign up for war. The people that fight for a paycheck probably aren't the most enthusiastic fighters, so they won't fight big wars.
>Aren't declining birthrates threats the potential soldier numbers?
Yes but the big imperial bourgeoisie runs transnational operations and might not care about depleting the populations of several countries
>Aren't nuclear-nukes makes everyone afraid?
Yes for governments, individual capitalists however might be more afraid about the stuff like precision drone strikes. Wars might create enough chaos where they could be targeted by commercial rivals.
>any global-war crush the world to irreversible point?
A global war would disrupt the capitalist repression systems long enough for the formation of new soviet block type socialisms. But they wouldn't be like Stalin that only destroyed fascistic capitalism while letting bourgeois democratic capitalism live because WW3 would be viewed as proof that capitalism is irredeemable.

Overall the chances of a big war are lower than in past capitalist crisis, because the risks for the capitalist class are much greater now and the potential gains are smaller.
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 No.393944

>>393905
He’s being hyperbolic, but yea, Singapore is fucked by sea level rise


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 No.391865[Reply]

Was reading retards in /r/Atheism debating “communism”, one of the turds was discussing “freedom” and when the socialist pointed out that freedom from (some) arbitrary laws while still being allowed to starve on the street is fucking meaningless, to which the based and rational redditor argued that actually freedom doesn’t mean a right to a decent quality of life but just the garbage included in America’s warped concept of freedom and literally nothing else

My question is, how do westoid’s cope with such a sociopathic way of approaching the value of human life, freedom, etc.? Freedom for westerner’s is literally immaterial shit and excludes means to actually survive, why are these people like this?
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 No.393853

>>393849
They have Marinaleda, a communist village. They have Mondragon coop cities etc.
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 No.393854

>>391865
by having tons of shit to conSOOM
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 No.393893

>>393281
Nice strawman, we don't hate ourselves, we hate the European bourgeois states, which collaborate with Washington.
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 No.393921

>>391946
There's also a big difference between people caring on the internet or with words and actually being willing to do something for other human beings. I wouldn't be surprised that all the world over that many people who talk about caring about the plight of other people wouldn't actually help them if it meant inconveniencing themselves. There are people who are true to their word, or many who don't think much of these things but will help others even if they have to suffer themselves though.
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 No.393925

>>393834
I still can't get over how the Moroccans are more Germanic than Spanish people due to the Vandal invasions.


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 No.268992[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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 No.387597

>>387522
I dont think it's an eyesore at all, if anything I wish there were more cool ass buildings like that. It's just a damn shame that it's going to waste.
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 No.391257

>>387522
Why do you think it is structurally unsound? I never heard that before.
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 No.391362

>>391257
It was left with its insides exposed to the elements for years during the last economic crises.
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 No.393910

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Kim visiting the grave of Mao Anying (Mao's oldest son) who was killed in a US airstrike while serving in the PLA during the korean war in 1950.
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 No.393916

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>>393910
Song about Mao Anying by Unhasu Orchestra in both Korean and Chinese


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 No.1[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Második felvonás!
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 No.392297

>>391916
> a kiskorúak kukiműtéte ellen
Azt hittem végre valami értelmes ötlete is lett de nem, nem a körülmetélésről van szó…
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 No.392303

>>392297
a körülmetélés annyira bronzkori szar

a modern verzió az egész pénic széttrancsírozása

move with the times, grandpa
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 No.392318

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>>392303
problematikus szóválasztás
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 No.392958

lipsik:
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, ORPÁN BELESZARIK A LEVESÜNKBE
https://merce.hu/2021/07/21/hintalovon-orban-nepszavazasa-megcsufol-es-kiforgat-mindent-amit-a-gyerekek-vedelmerol-gondolunk/

<átlag magyar:

<adj megélhetős bért, te geci
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 No.393900

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 No.389564[Reply]

I'm a NEET on NEETbux, I'm honestly not very political but I would like to know /leftypol/ opinion about NEET's (and lumpenproletariat in general)

I feel good knowing that I don't have to work to serve porky interests.
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 No.393590

To be fair lumpenproletariat can be revolutionary subjects. The BPP and also to and extent Hugo Chavez drew on their masses to do revolutionary work, and arguably through the history of communism most of the work of revolution was actually accomplished through not so proletarian subjects, like peasants or lumpenproletarians. Of course, their relations to production meant they were not always the most optimal, but then again the conditions have now become different, so perhaps it'll happen again that the proletariat proper is not the primary revolutionary base.
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 No.393618

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Im a neet too, but im also a schizo and get free retard money from the gubment.

lumpenproles like us are natural born anarchists. we live outside the capitalist system
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 No.393632

Workers of the world… Relax!
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 No.393637

>>393590
Underrated post.
>>393632
>Bob Black
Absolutely disgusting.
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 No.393899

>>392284
Lumpen when the seasons over.


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 No.369405[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

While there are surely some people interested in Maoism on /leftypol/, the tendency has no noticeable presence here. From my observation Maoism has been gaining traction in socialist communities online recently. Though the ideology's influence is still relatively small, I'm optimistic that we're witnessing the earlier stages of Maoists winning leadership in the movements of the working class which will result in the reconstitution of Communist Parties guided by MLM. I started this thread to spur investigation and discussion amongst potential comrades.

Why Maoism? https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/14/why-maoism-what-is-maoism/
"Maoism is developed in the first place by six great communist leaders: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo."
"The rightist line led China back to capitalism, and dismantled the dictatorship of the proletariat into a fascist state. (…) But the cultural revolution and Mao Zedong Thought inspired millions of people all over the world, and led to the creation of a number of new communist parties on a revolutionary basis. They started people’s wars in Peru, India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Nepal."
"Gonzalo and the PCP maintain that Mao’s mass line, the line for the protracted people’s war and the line for the cultural revolution are the foremost examples of Maoism’s universal applicability, along with Maoism’s advancement of Marxism’s philosophy and economy."
"Gonzalo Thought is Maoism applied to the concrete conditions for revolution in Peru, but it is the universal conclusions in these thoughts that apply to the rest of the world."

Maoist Resources:
http://www.marx2mao.com/
http://www.massline.org/
https://www.bannedthought.net/
https://struggle-sessions.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/catsaysmao/comments/mahczm/mega_thread_on_maoism_and_a_debunk_of_all_of_the/
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 No.391791

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>>391157
>china
>Marx was a marxist
>Lenin was a leninist
>Mao was a maoist
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 No.392148

N E P A L
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 No.392876

(Crosspost)

maopill me about gonzalo, why he started attacking peasants and the people he should be protecting? that only caused poor people to hate him.

AFAIK even Pedro Castillo (Pencilman) was a rondero, a rondero was a type of self-defense force against shining path.
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 No.392919

>>392876
Gonzalo sucks and is inexcusable. Critical support for Sision.
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 No.393837

>>392876
petit bourg college philosophy professor, the entire central committee were white PMCs or mestizos, spurring a petit-bourgeois movement


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 No.389189[Reply]

There seems to have be a lot sectarianism on this board as of late. I think we should lighten things up by promoting cooperation and harmony between different leftist sects. Let's start saying good things about other sects.

(I don't belong to any specific sect by the way)
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 No.393713

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>>389237
>it is authoritarian to resist authoritarianism
uygha what?
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 No.393743

>>389415
Because /pol/ is way worse and you actually enjoy imageboards.
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 No.393750

i like anarchists
i like mls
i don't believe in the existence of leftcoms as a material thing
i like other maoists
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 No.393795

>>390315
Not an anarchist, but I'd argue yes, provided they respect already established "anarchist" territories etc. However, we have to work better at communication and keep infighting to more of a theoretical basis as opposed to killing eachother via Russian Civil War.
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 No.393824

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>>393250
this. imagine explaining any of this shit to someone who isn't part of your retarded little subculture.


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 No.338208[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

FIRST AS A TRAGEDY, SECOND AS A FARCE EDITION
PERU ELECTIONS 10.0
Pencil man is victorious and travelling around the country while Keiko and her lawyers try any card to subvert the election.
Prev. threads:
>>>/leftypol_archive/14633 #1
>>>/leftypol_archive/15250 #2
>>>/leftypol_archive/15858 #3
>>>/leftypol_archive/16499 #4
>>>/leftypol_archive/17177 #5
>>>/leftypol_archive/17849 #6
>>305248 #7
>>307155 #8
>>310902 #9
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 No.389276

I'm legit surprised that the Peruvian government actually did act like a democracy is supposed to do and prevent reactoid coups. The dipshits will keep trying no doubt and might very well succeed, but the fact that a liberal democracy put up a fight at all for the sake of a duly elected commie is something I never expected.
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 No.389870

bump
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 No.389877

>>389276
They probably know a coup would bring about another Shining Path type movement
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 No.393274

Now that Castillo's win was finally recognized the real challenge begins. He will be inaugurated in a week, let's hope for the best.
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 No.393816

>>389276
Commies get duly elected all the time in LatAm. The true question is whether they can fight against the inevitable US coups.


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 No.347862[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I wanna see if any big brain anons can wrap their heads around why quantum mechanics killed all form of metaphysical thinking. All physical phenomena are quantum manifestation of a field with many potential energies.

Quantum mechanics essentially killed many metaphysics philosophers and now all they do is cope.
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 No.392902

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so I had some beers with a laser phycisist friend of mine today who is a bit of a lib, but he admitted that he favors the Bohmian interpretation of QM. what does this mean?
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 No.392909

>>392902
Not answering question because i do not know but asking one. What is your chance of Communism-Pilling your friend?
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 No.393242

>>365665
>I have to admit i don't understand why the higgs boson particle was called the god particle
From a common and prevalent misunderstanding. The discoverer called it "the goddamned particle" because of its elusiveness and shortened it to "god" for public tastes.
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 No.393659

>>392902
>Are lasers, communist rays ?
probably ;)
think about it, photons that share the same wavelength all going into the same direction
all lasers are red
>is my friend a crypto communist
probably not if he drank beer, as everybody knows communists exclusively drink vodka
>he favors the Bohmian interpretation of QM. what does this mean?
The lasers got to him ?
I'm making fun of you, because Bohm was canceled by McCarthyism and had to go to Brazil to avoid persecution.
It means your friend prefers the materialist interpretation of QM
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 No.393759

>>392909
he wasn't too opposed to /cybersoc/ ideas, especially in the context of climate change mitigation. he was also curious about Capital, so I'm thinking of gifting him my copy of volume 1
>>393242
>not calling it "the fucking particle"
imagine what could have been
>>393659
>all lasers are red
he works in infrared even. ultracommunism confirmed
>It means your friend prefers the materialist interpretation of QM
as a physicist should. I also told him about QBism and he thought I was shitting him


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 No.382900[Reply]

Given recent announcements that the Biden administration will take active efforts to censor info on social media, and the not-so-recent precedents set by social media bannings over the last half decade, is it alarmist or reasonable to say that the US ruling class is beginning to resort to authoritarian methods?

Biden Press Sec.: "We've increased disinformation research and tracking… We're flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation." https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415728046930268160

The Press Sec. again: "You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others." https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1416089821056012289

Biden says platforms like Facebook are 'killing people' with Covid misinformation https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-facebook-covid-19/index.html
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 No.393604

america has been essentially a totalitarian police state since 9/11 but covid helped seal the deal. if you're still looking around at the world and wondering when fascism will happen as if it isn't already here, globally, you may be retarded
of course, the old-school left is too destroyed in most places for the ruling class to bother pretending to be revolutionary socialists these days. they just pretend to be woke instead, in this case saving (minority) lives from the big bad virus. but the real purpose of lockdowns and propaganda was atomising the population and decreasing their capacity to resist the "great reset"
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 No.393635

what if ironically the attempts of the center shitlibs to stave off radicalism actually end up the start of the full degeneration of the burgerland, sort of similar to how succdems tried to unleash the korps on luxemburg and co., and then later those thugs came to power and then proceeded to attack the general Left regardless of level of radicalism
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 No.393684

>>392989
Incorrect, some got prominence. The Allies were just better at snatching them up
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 No.393726

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>>382911
>legalise … sectioning into a psyche ward

This is nothing new and is arguably the whole reason psychology came into existence in the first place; psychology has a huge amount of its roots in the eugenics movement, arguing for instance that slave runaways were mentally defective. The same is true today, a lot of pathologies, especially anxiety, depression and generalized neuroticism, are unarguably caused by economic circumstance and these same people will approximate a vulgar critique of capitalism when outlining their illness to a shrink.

What is new, I think, is the crackup of centralized ideological state apparatus' because of the internet and the state desperately trying to get a grip on hegemonic ideological discourse hence their broadside at digital platforms especially ones with little to no moderation.

In terms of a lurch toward fascism, I don't see it. The state is more or less as authoritarian as it always has been, they've just adapted their methods alongside the technological and societal changes. The glowies aren't assassinating commies and radical trade unionists because they don't exist in western countries not because they got better after COINTELPRO came to be public knowledge. Furthermore, the most 1984esque authoritarian shit they've pulled for a long time was the mass NSA dragnet surveillance systems the Snowden leaked and all that was put in place long before any concern about an uptick in Antifa and neo-boomer Nazis.

Monopoly capitalism isn't hankering for an open terroristic dictatorship of the bourgeoisies, even Trump's facile nationalism was to strong for them or rather their profitability and power. The petty bourgeoise seemingly are lurching in a fascistic direction comparatively but that's because all small business owners are insane people that are squeezed between monopoly capital (i.e jewish capital) on one hand and any form of organized labour (i.e commies) on the other. The petty bourgeoise can have only pseudo-revolutionary potential because their mode of existence is based on Capitalism and will always be at threat from monopolists and organized labour hence them abstracting those elements for Capitalism proper as Jewish perversion and Communist subversion respectively
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 No.393737

nothing authoritarian about enforcing law / civil code

another shit is that americans are largerly uncivilized / barbarian so they will see it in some other light (muh oppression)


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