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Was doing street action just a few hours ago, protesting religious discrimination. A bunch of fascist retards came up and starts harassing us, like usual. But this particularly hotheaded moron whipped up one of those fucking sharp-edged circle gear tied to a rubber rope (i don't know how it's called in anglo circles) and started SWINGING it at the fascists.

Things go fucking downhill from there. The fascists brought fucking katanas and switchblades. Organizers tried to get us to withdraw since there are old people with us and we're a legit org,not some youth paramilitary or some situationist anarchist clique, so getting involved in a street brawl will be an absolute pr and logistical nightmare.

Fat chance, the fascists hounded us across multiple blocks, harassing us from their motorcades. You can just sense the blood in the air. Things would've gotten very bad if not for cops coming and breaking things up.
So there you have it. Had things gone differently i could very well be dead or in police custody right now. But that's still not the end, even with noone getting hurt this is absolutely going to be a pr nightmare for my org.
My point is that if you're going to do legal protests, please, please vet the people you're coming with carefully. Not just for feds or something like that, but for potential loose cannons too
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>The fascists brought fucking katanas and switchblades
and you're here crying cause your mom didn't buy you nunchaku for Christmas? Grow a pair.


kenshi vibes


You want to arm old people with mall katanas to fight retarded Nazi youth? Are you mentally ill? Lmao


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You live in a shithole like Serbia with open Ukraine-tier fashoids running around in armed gangs and you don't think it's a good idea to outgun the Chetniks?
Tito didn't defeat those rats by using harsh language.
You're extremely lucky the police defended you instead of letting the fascists do their thing like Rittenhouse.
More reason to get some young people interested in communism and get them to show up and defend old folks that resemble their granddads. It'll be beneficial for them and for you. Better that they have a positive outlet than doing hooliganism somewhere.


Don't you guys brief your members in any basic way before going to a protest? Especially when there are a high chance of confrontation with fascists?

Escalation is part of political strategy that needs to be discussed and decided upon. Expectations need to be clear. People need to understand why and they need to follow group consensus.

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Is there ever going to be a time when westerners will stop hating socialism so much that it can even be talked about seriously? It feels like everytime there's a discussion that starts about it, it gets spun into so much bullshit that you have to trudge through, and it's like that with every political group from the fascists to the anarchists.
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>That's stupid, cowardly, and that will just cause confusion and poison in the discourse that sets up reaction
And also has literally never worked in the decades retards have been attempting it.
It's like the 'hiding your power level' thing. If you walk like a lib and talk like a lib then that makes a lib, regardless if their powerlevel is all the way above 9000..


You didn't know just how far-right the US was in the 2000's. Today? Yeah the institutions are but people are generally kind of sick of them.


You'll be allowed to talk about socialism, but no one will actually know what socialism means or entails because the demsocs will have successfully convinced everyone it's when the government does stuff.


no way this guy likened not immediately proclaiming your support for stalin to some shitty internet meme
optics is important, anon


>That's stupid, cowardly, and that will just cause confusion and poison in the discourse that sets up reaction
yeah, they will hear what they want to hear. and they'll probably hear libertarianism or some bullshit.

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>On the 14th of March, at a quarter to three in the afternoon, the greatest living thinker ceased to think. He had been left alone for scarcely two minutes, and when we came back we found him in his armchair, peacefully gone to sleep – but for ever. An immeasurable loss has been sustained both by the militant proletariat of Europe and America, and by historical science, in the death of this man. The gap that has been left by the departure of this mighty spirit will soon enough make itself felt. Just as Darwin discovered the law of development of organic nature, so Marx discovered the law of development of human history: the simple fact, hitherto concealed by an overgrowth of ideology, that mankind must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing, before it can pursue politics, science, art, religion, etc.; that therefore the production of the immediate material means, and consequently the degree of economic development attained by a given people or during a given epoch, form the foundation upon which the state institutions, the legal conceptions, art, and even the ideas on religion, of the people concerned have been evolved, and in the light of which they must, therefore, be explained, instead of vice versa, as had hitherto been the case. But that is not all. Marx also discovered the special law of motion governing the present-day capitalist mode of production, and the bourgeois society that this mode of production has created. The discovery of surplus value suddenly threw light on the problem, in trying to solve which all previous investigations, of both bourgeois economists and socialist critics, had been groping in the dark…
>…Marx was the best hated and most calumniated man of his time. Governments, both absolutist and republican, deported him from their territories. Bourgeois, whether conservative or ultra-democratic, vied with one another in heaping slanders upon him. All this he brushed aside as though it were a cobweb, ignoring it, answering only when extreme necessity compelled him. And he died beloved, revered and mourned by millions of revolutionary fellow workers – from the mines of Siberia to California, in all parts of Europe and America – and I make bold to say that, though he may have had many opponents, he had hardly one personal enemy. His name will endure through the ages, and so also will his work.
~ Engels

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Marx's death sounds so fucking comfy. I hope mine is as graceful.


marx be like "finish capital? nah, Imma debunk herr Vogt. People'll definitely remember him after I die!"


Engels did a good job


From 2008-2012ish, there were a number of hacking groups such as anonymous, lulzsec/antisec, etc. that overlapped with arguably left wing/anarchist and other social movements of the time, such as the movement of the squares, the arab spring, and occupy wall street.

However this all faded out around 2012 and even more by 2016 they basically died out completely.

why did they fail? Is there anything to be learned from these experiences?
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Sabu(Skid,Fat Fuck,Mouth breather,Lip smacking microphone eater!)
They kept seeking attention rather than results. Their noise started to interfere with the clandestine operations of serious people, thus most of the English speaking "scene" was dismantled with surgical precision by the serious people from within that "scene" and by GCHQ-NSA independently.
What remains of English speaking hackers with public presence is kids swatting each other on games like Minecraft and Rust, sim swapping Taylor Swift, Jack Dorsey etc to post their pseudonyms on Twitter for impress their internet girlfriends and other childlike behaviours despite some of them being in their late teens and twenties.


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>Sabu(Skid,Fat Fuck,Mouth breather,Lip smacking microphone eater!)
Our American comrades are a disappointment every new day that loudmouth, irritating pig filth gets to breath. Someone needs to go put a minecraft in that man.
Kind of unbelievable seeing his name makes me angry to this day but fuck him. He put good comrades, good people in prison for a long, long time.

At least Lamo died a lonely overdose.

>They kept seeking attention rather than results. Their noise started to interfere with the clandestine operations of serious people,

I don't think this is true at all. It is far more boring than that.
Anonops was 99% noise from the very beggining, the only thing is that there were a lot of oldheads and young people willing to learn too. After some of the big arrests of some of the main drivers behind the actual work others just drifted away. That is okay though, projects are not supposed to last forever.

I find it strange though how ITT people are bemoaning the loss of anonymous and any modern hacktivism when hacktivism is going on right now, you are just choosing not to look at it. Stop being spectacle addled children and search out for things instead of thinking what is reported in your narrow news-media bubble as the sole reality.
Guacamaya have done and continue to do great things, and yet to ctrl+f this page not one of you have mentioned them once… I find this very interesting.


maybe you can enlighten us, anon?


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of? Guacamaya? You can search for it for all more details but I assume most people have at least heard of them a little or in passing, they are hacktivists from primarily es speaking counties and spaces but they are people some of whom have been around the hacktivist space for a while i think, they have done some impressive things, they are an openly and outwardly ideologically leftist which they have often pushed in their publics, (which incidentally was one of the big failings of 'anonymous golden age, 'lulzsec era'), what they have done for the most part is rarely that technologically impressive, although there is a lot of real talent there, the reason for their success imho is simply that they organized themselves together, dedicated their time and resources and did their actions. I would say over the last few years they have become the most dominant hacktivist milieu. Personally I like to call of them the PhinFisher babies all grown up.
They have hacked publicly; New Granada Energy Corporation, Tejucana, Oryx Resources, ENAMI EP, Solway Investment Group, in regards to ecology. In the realm of anti-militarism they have hacked Chilean Joint Chiefs of Staff (EMCO), the secretariat and ministry of National Defence in Mexico (SEDENA), and then they hacked the joint-command of the armed forces of Joint Command of the Armed Forces of Peru (CCFFAA).
There are a lot more, i just quickly got a bunch from wikipedia but their has been more claimed in the communiques and dumps, most of these are the heavily documented ones only because they came with massive leaks, often the 'biggest leak of X' and with serious repercussions and journalistic pieces. And also there are a lot more that are not public, the majority of hacking always goes unnoticed, it is only small children who deface, brick and `rm -rf` everything they touch, i would guess that with everything they have leaked and all only over the last, idk, 2 years? they will still have very deep access in a lot of places imho (another big problem of the anonymous/lulzsec iteration was that it tended to 'blow it's load' to early, it had not learned patience). uhh, but yea, check them out. Interesting work and like i say, a group can reproduce it if they will toward it, in the early stages of hacktivism being formulated as an idea, what it means, there was a big empahasis on plurality of grPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


good to hear anon

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I know this has probably been discussed to death but I had a lightbulb go off when The Quartering or whatever his name is started "exposing" a bunch of major online right-wing figures as being "cock smokers". Why does it feel like a good portion of online right-wingers are confused queers? I, myself, was a /pol/tard once who happened to be heavily into futanari hentai. Is there some kind of complicated psychoanalysis shit going on or is it just "autism" like some 4channers say? And if it is just "autism", why are such people attracted to right-wing politics?

If I were to answer anecdotally my own experience, I was a dumb arguably overemotional teenager who fell for the nation state myth (I say dumb, yet there's people far older who still fall for it). I'd mention something about Althusser's insights on this matter here but I don't want to make this OP too long but the tl;dr is, when you are made to identify with something on an emotional level, like when watching a dramatic play, you are simultaneously being "disconnected" from reality and thus class analysis as your own real experience becomes replaced with the experience of fiction. Anyhow, I'm not sure if I'm representative exactly of these types.

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>porn addiction


no, that woman is unrelated to the group that glorified incel shooters
>stop moralizing, says man moralizing
get dunked on


>get dunked on


I don't use twatter sorry


im pretty sure it is more common especially in the rural areas where giving a beej to a bud in need is not considered strictly homosexual between two good old country boys

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Hi fellow leftist!
I'm interested what different fellow comrades think of dekulakization tactics in central Europe. I know Czech & Polish friends that told me stories about their great-grandfathers from countrysides being sent to Sybir while not having any opressive authority over their fellow citizens etc. What's your optics on this?
Did Soviets short-sightedly too measures that needed different approach in other countries than Tzarist Russian? Let me know!
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>>1397294 Yeah sure. But it's not like it wasn't operated in countries like Poland, Lithuania, Estonia. You seem angry for some reason. Throwing "westoids" around but doesn't extend an argument. You just close it. It's not helpful, really. And applying analysis onto different things can be helpful in seeing what we definitely won't find in certain optic. Share some thoughts, arguments comrade instead of sitting on your high-horse. Let's educate ourselves, not deminish our curiosities.


The modern equivalent of a kulak is a kulak
There are no more smallholder peasants in the 1st world, almost every farner is a kulak exploiting immigrant labourers at less than even minimum wage


Marxism-Leninism-Kulakism is the way of the future


>In political and sociological theory, the elite (French: élite, from Latin: eligere, to select or to sort out) are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a group. Defined by the Cambridge Dictionary, the "elite" are "those people or organizations that are considered the best or most powerful compared to others of a similar type."
<American sociologist C. Wright Mills states that members of the elite accept their fellows' position of importance in society. "As a rule, 'they accept one another, understand one another, marry one another, tend to work, and to think, if not together at least alike'." It is a well-regulated existence where education plays a critical role.

Who are the "ELITES" according to the right wing?
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When he got that bailout from obama's faction it came with the understanding that he was their boy from then on. He seems to want to be part of the dark enlightenment silicon valley group in recent years, so they other faction might feel betrayed. It might explain why musk and friends are so busy firefighting recently.


"Elite" could also just mean whatever the cultural stigmata is at the time and nothing to do with what is actually the ruling class. This is why you find rightiods thinking that peter thiel isn't part of the elite even though he is rich and funds them.


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>Who are the "ELITES"


I don't have any problems with using it myself. Maybe rightoids overuse it to mean anything from jews to anyone who lives in a city, but on it's own it can be a useful synonym for the bourgeoisie.


i guess you believe terms like "late stage capitalism" are useful too lol

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There seems to be a bit of a thing among Neo liberal youtubers, and news media about Mexico gaining production from western countries outsourcing it there, they seem to believe Mexico is growing excesively, how true is this? How can I find proof of this? Is this actually bullshit?

All science articles (not made by neoliberal news media) are a mixed bag about this, where can I find hard data about this trend?

here are some proofs that I'm not making up the coverage thing

In spanish
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No. They tried that with NAFTA in the 80s before China was the primary destination for industrial manufacturing and it failed


yeah people think that americans are highly educated but they are mostly lawyers and businessesmen.


>Didn't AMLO have better relations with Trump than with Biden. Maybe I'm misremembering correctly but Trump and AMLO got along pretty well.
Yes. He is just imitating Bush/Clinton prescriptive suggestion style of diplomacy. He just miscalculates the NATO commitment to turn Mexico into a parking lot.


>Will Mexico actually "become the new China"
Yes if AMLO preserves his leftist ideals so that future admins can continue his tradition. Mexico becoming the next China would mean the US will be in big trouble as it would’ve gained a new adversary just south of the border


For Mexico to become the new China they need to do more than just absorb imperial core jobs. The new India is more accurate. To become new China, they'd need a revolution and a CPM.

Here are a few characteristics of socialism in China bot shared by other BRICS countries or Mexico

1) Never privatised major industries such as energy or steel, which are all public owned. Compare this to the collapse of Yugoslavia, USSR, etc., which were all marked by an immediate devouring of major national industries by private entities: true transitions to capitalism.

2) Land remains collectivised, and leased to private persons or business entities for a maximum of 70 years. This, the absence of land inheritance, and the impossibility of generational land monopolisation, makes possible the extremely high home ownership rates in China (rural: roughly 90%; urban: roughly 80%) compared to other countries.

3) The bourgeois class, while necessary for development and allowed to exist, have no political power over the proletariate, and can not use their fortunes to influence policy, shape laws, or purchase the loyalty of politicians via lobbies and campaign contributions. The CPC is comprised almost entirely of working class representatives, extremely few capitalists. In the highest governing body, the National People’s Congress, there are 26 owners of private enterprises among 2600+ members (2018).

4) In Democratic Centralism, directly democratic decision making through elections proceeds from neighbourhood and local councils up to the National Congress, and from there and above are appointed by elected officials, according to merit. This combines the best of both democracy and meritocracy, while the dangers of both are checked by the other.

5) Never experienced the boom-bust cycles typical of capitalist economies in its 40 years of steady development at a rate of roughly 10% per year.

6) Bottom segments of Chinese society experienced 40% growth since 1979; bottom segments of USA during same period: 1%. If the USA is not a good comparison due to its drastic differences in history and position, a much better one is India, another post colonial nation developing during the same period, which actually transitioned to capitalism: exponentially more inequality, nearly no progress or even regress for the poorest segments of society.
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>MSM convinces liberal normies that the Banderite Ukrainian state is a progressive liberal trans rights they/them anarchist Biden BLM co-op hippie commune
>people who have those beliefs (who used to roll with David Hogg the fed just 4 years ago) volunteer in droves to fight off the ebil Ruzzian orcs
>right wing contrarians start becoming Z bros to be contrarian
>MSM goes on about how racist sexist and homophobic Putler and his supporters is
>far righters start volunteering for Russia to own the libtards and think that Russia is a giga trad land that’ll free Europe of sin
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>You shouldn't be supporting either side of the war
t. Imperial core denizen


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You may be right, however wagner is way funnier than Ukrop banderites so they get my uncritical support


Reminder that the lives of LGBT people has drastically worsened after US intervention in Russia and Ukraine. Reminder that Ukraine is not safe for LGBT people. Reminder that Putler significantly improved the lives of LGBT people since the 1990s (along with russians in general) despite being a fucking drooling retard with regards to social issues, religion, and LGBT problems. Reminder that if the US is against Putler for the same reason that the lives of Russians, which inclused LGBT people, has improved since the 1990s. Reminder that the US uses LGBT issues to push their agenda in Russia that would ultimately harm LGBT Russians long term, and as such, LGBT people have become a target of Russian nationalists. Reminder that the US put Putin in power originally, thwarting the Russian democratic systems, that they now seethe that Putler uses for his benefit. Reminder that the US couped Ukraine. Reminder that Biden's family is on the board of the biggest energy companies in Ukraine. Reminder biden publicly bragged about coercing the justice system of Ukraine to block any investigation into his family. Reminder that the US has been arming, training, and funding Nazis. Reminder that sanctions primarily affect lower class people and that the US has been placing increasingly harsher sanctions on Russia for more than a decade. Reminder that the US has been funding and promoting Nazis since the 1950s in Ukraine. Reminder this is not even the full list of reminders. Reminder that the US has done and continues to do this kind of shit and worse to a myriad of countries around the world.

So shut the fuck up about "not being on either side". I mean this as genuine as possible, and from the inner of my being, fuck you. Seriously fuck you as much as possible. Fuck off, stop calling yourself a leftist. Stop poisoning the well. Fuck you.


>I'm not reading
We know.


You mean AP+Reuters+AFP takes on the war? Seriously man you need to stop watching TV and read alternative viewpoints, you don't want to see Russia being exploited by Western capitalists just like how they did to Indonesia back in 1965? Read Vltchek, I ask you, from my deepest part of my heart, please read Vltchek…

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The Port-Kembla Steelworks are closing, we're turning it into a submarine base that will be owned by the Americans which will house 'our' [Americas] Subs. They will outsource the Steelworks to their own country of course.
We will have been made a nuclear target for no damn reason, And stripped of what is realistically one of our most valuable economic assets, for no reason except for our governments utter cuckoldry and cowardice. - The 'Labour Lads' [fuck friendly jordies btw, just gonna throw that out] and the Liberals and all other parties in parliament are open and obvious traitors to the Australian people and deserve nothing but scorn. but the money-power and media along with the gold-bull of democracy has lulled 75%+ of people into a deep sleep.

It's time to come to terms with the fact that there is no silent-majority…'cavalry'…charging over the hill to save us at the last second. When its time for war with china and in the mediums of debate and in the streets at rallies - and people like us, CPA/ACP, SALTies, SEP and the occasional lost-rightoid fellow-traveller who just tends to hate yanks more then the Chicoms and wants them to Free-Julian! - find ourselves outnumbered something like…95/5, THAT'S IT!.

we live under an actively evil state, and the level of evil it is willing to sink to will shock you. But on top of that, It's not simply a evil state everyone chaffs under and hates. It is a state where its actions don't just have democratic majority support but a democratic supermajority of support.


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What the fuck are these 'Workers Clubs' that you see in the suburbs? They don't seem to have anything to do with workers. Who controls them? How do we take one over and turn it into a revolutionary training base?


I don't know if it's similar, but same question with Tradies. I assume it would have had worker-oriented origins but became a fully-commercialized chain afterwards.

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