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Gegenstandpunkt is a Marxist theory group and journal founded in Munich, Germany, in 1992. Prior to 1992, they were known as the Marxist Group (MG) and published a journal called Marxist Debate and Journal – Against the Costs of Freedom (MSZ). According to the 2018 Federal Report on the Protection of the German Constitution: "The sect-like organized group ‘GegenStandpunkt’ (GSP) represents a modified concept of Marxism. It rejects parliamentary democracy as ‘the perfect form of bourgeois rule’. Its aim is to revolutionarily overcome the existing state and social order and establish a socialist or communist society. Due to their elitist interpretation of Marxism, the group is largely isolated on the far left."

Gegenstandpunkt, as far as I know, criticizes Lenin's view of Marxism. They reject the “actually existing socialist” states, the USSR and Marxism-Leninism, claiming they deviated from Marxism.

Unfortunately, since I haven't read Gegenstandpunkt's writings yet, I couldn't explain their theories and ideas in more detail in this post. Most of their writings are in German, but you can find English translations of a few of their works online. You can view and read their writings on these two sites:

https://en.gegenstandpunkt.com/
https://de.gegenstandpunkt.com/
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Gegenstandpunkt is Marxism gone too far

> Its aim is to revolutionarily overcome the existing state and social order and establish a socialist or communist society.
>Due to their elitist interpretation of Marxism, the group is largely isolated on the far left.
of course

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I still prefer Solarpunk, but everyone has their own tastes.

I occasionally read their articles and have gotten some insight from that, especially on the nature of the state. However it is genuinely funny how their acolytes, when pressed on what is to be done, will always fall back on old reliable 'raising awareness'.
They come off like a parody of left communism a ML would come up with.



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>>2511984
>when the terrorist organisation Hamas launched the deadliest attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
IIRC, the worst attacks on Jews since the Holocaust was the Dirty War perpetrated by the Argentine military dictatorship backed by the US, Israel and France.

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who do you want to take over NDP leadership /can/ ?

>>2512496
>NDP
no.

>NDP leadership

>not posting an image for bladman


>>2531245
ndp is still big gay
my nibba bladman is being oppressed



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Reminder that Marx's socialism is not "scientific" like physics or chemistry, the term is used mainly to contrast with utopians, who try to impose some ideal on the revolution without grasping communism's class based nature.
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>>2530378
>Marx's positivist, Hegelian foundation
u wot?

>>2530378
>Marx's positivist, Hegelian foundation

>>2530553
>if-then statements are not teleology

If they are outside of an infinite while loop then yes they are.

>>2529914
Wheres your black flag?

>>2529800
its also scientific insofar as
the analysis of capitalism, of history and of political economy is done scientifically (using the scientific method)
socialism aim is to rationally (and democratically) plan human labor and its production in society, so its a scientific approach to society and politics



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the idea that transness is inherently bourgeois comes from a very simple assumption: an imaginary of the working class as not having desires, cultures, history, etc, only austere base needs, completely alien to any "bourgeois excesses"

despite the supposed third-worldist bent many of you claim to have, this exactly how social workers and managers have framed and attempted to reconstruct the working class, as docile, administerable subjects, and a crucial part of how the labour aristocracy was developed

this goes in tandem with the historically paternalist position in regards to sex workers, any political agency denied a priori, they can only exist as passive objects to be administered by the state until they are integrated into "proper" circuits of social reproduction
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>>2530158
Hey, you copied that post from communist trans twitter

Agent Kochinski thread

Anti consumerism is also just a way to discipline labor

>>2530727
I think this is a false promise. Because new institutions and structures will continue to shape us as long as we remain social beings.
I recommend checking out Foucault's writings on power, where he explains the issue in more detail. (I've been trying to find a good collection as a pdf, but libgen is a mess atm)

Moved to >>>/lgbt/4496.



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2524445
elaborate

chris hedges on the revolutionary legacy of john milton (1608-1674)

Booooooooomp

>>2524222
>I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism.
Classical liberalism was certainly a historically progressive movement in its time, promoting equality and freedom for ordinary citizens. But it hit a wall under capitalism, and those promises could never fully materialize. The liberal project stopped short of challenging the system that produces inequality in the first place. Now it mostly functions as a neutered status quo ideology, a tool the ruling class uses to keep things running smoothly while the working class stays in its place voting or protesting non-violently.

>>2530920
so "true liberalism has never been tried"?



 

REMINDER THAT PAKISTAN IS A NUCLEAR POWER
Pakistan’s military says it has killed more than 200 Taliban and other fighters in overnight border clashes, adding that 23 of its soldiers were killed and 20 were injured.
It added that its forces carried out “infrastructural damages to Taliban posts, camps, headquarters and support networks”.
Afghanistan claims it killed 58 Pakistani soldiers in the fighting.
Afghani Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi says Kabul “achieved our military objectives last night” and that its military has “paused [the fighting] from our side for the time being”.
Qatar and Saudi Arabia have expressed deep concern over the recent escalation and tensions along the border, calling for “restraint” and the need to de-escalate.
Iran said it was ready to assist in easing tensions between the two countries.
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Snipe pigs, simple as.

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Pakistani troops gunned down some Palestine protesters. Now the people who got killed were TLP which is a schizo far-right party but still.

>On Breaking Points yesterday, we covered the grisly massacre that unfolded this week in Pakistan, as state security services gunned down an unknown but considerable number of people marching to protest against looming normalization with Israel. The segment was controversial, with critics arguing that the group in question, the TLP, is not genuinely “pro-Palestine” but is a far-right, religious extremist organization that regularly incites and carries out violence. But we noted all that in the report.


>Pakistan does not actually have a history of this sort of mass state violence, and so the military-backed government needs to normalize it if it is to become part of their weaponry in building and defending what Field Marshall Asim Munir describes privately as his end goal, “a hard state.” Authoritarian governments often target groups with the least public support first, hoping to establish a principle for how other dissent will be dealt with. In this report we document how the Pakistani military appears to be using the same tactic with the justly unpopular TLP to set the tone for how other groups may expect to be treated if they do not toe the line on their emerging Israel-Gaza policy.


>The story below, reported by Waqas Ahmed, Murtaza Hussain, and myself, describes one of the most cynical and diabolical deployments of strategic violence I’ve ever covered.

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/pakistani-security-forces-killed-anti-israel-protesters-tlp

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>>2525129
Same. Sounds plausible. Asim Munir showed up at the White House over the summer. I scanned an Al Jazeera article that puts the relationship into context:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/19/trumps-pakistan-embrace-tactical-romance-or-a-new-inner-circle

But it makes sense. The Republicans in the U.S. and the Pakistani deep state / military people have a relationship that goes way back. If you look at the Pakistani military, it's a mix of Chinese and U.S. hardware, while the Indians have Russian equipment. But India also used to have a lot of British hardware, and they use French-made warplanes.

propaganda video of afghanistan ministry of defence

>>2520350
It seems to be because of attacks from TTP(Tehreek e-Taliban Pakistan) in the Pakistan-Afghan border regions. Pakistan believes the Taliban are backing them/allowing them to attack Pakistan using Afghan territory as a base which is very likely since both Taliban and TTP are hardcore Islamists. Pakistan striking Kabul on behalf of the US so they can reclaim Bagram easier seems unlikely IMO since large sections of their military are entirely Chinese-sourced, I think this is no different from Pakistan fighting with groups like the BLA(Balochistan Liberation Army), they have a lot of rural areas in which they lack complete control and have to contend with various militant separatists.



 

Am I the only one who thinks Maupin needs to update his book with discussion on?:
>the Tesla burnings
>the Pennsylvania governor’s house being arsoned
>the shooting of the two Israeli embassy workers in DC
>the Minnesota school shooting
>the recent shooting death of Charlie Kirk

Seems like this is a good opportunity since it furthers his argument that an American Years of Lead are already here.
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>>2512890
There are millions of Palestinian refugees who still hold the keys to the homes they were expelled from in 1948. How many Native Americans hold any remainders of the homes they were kicked out of? Americans are fully settled and are as "indigenous" to America as the Natives.

>>2512896
are you having a stroke?

Waluigi update.

>>2512898
Most of those homes have since been destroyed and most of the original “Nakba survivors” will be dead by next decade.

>>2479203
The thing about terrorism is that it isn't worth the trouble. It never results in what people want it to do. Oftentimes, it does the opposite of the intent. You want to change people's minds about something, put away the bombs, and buy a newspaper. Or whatever the equivalent of a newspaper will be when they all go out of business.



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Lebanon army removes roadblocks placed by Israeli forces near southern village
In a statement, the army said that Israeli forces had positioned concrete blocks and piles of earth on a road outside the village on Sunday night to block residents from accessing their land. It worked alongside the UN's peacekeeping mission (UNIFIL) to remove the barriers, it said.
https://www.newarab.com/news/lebanon-army-removes-israeli-roadblocks-near-southern-village

Dozens of Israeli soldiers identified in ICC complaint on killing of Hind Rajab
Among those identified are three top commanders that the foundation is naming publicly: Colonel Beni Aharon, the commander of the 401st Armoured Brigade, who is already the subject of an ICC criminal complaint; Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Ella, commander of the 52nd Armoured Battalion; and Major Sean Glass, commander of the Vampire Empire Company. Ella and Glass are believed to be directly responsible for the killings in the field.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/dozens-israeli-soldiers-identified-icc-complaint-killing-hind-rajab

Tunisian city on general strike over factory pollution
Thousands have recently rallied in the city of some 400,000 inhabitants to demand the closure of a state-run phosphate processing plant which they say is behind a rise in gas poisonings after it ramped up production. The plant, inaugurated in 1972, processes phosphate to make fertilisers, and some of the gases and waste it discharges into the open air and Mediterranean are radioactive and can cause cancer, researchers have found.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2025/10/tunisian-city-general-strike-over-factory-pollution

Madagascar’s new prime minister named after military coup
Randrianirina, who was sworn in as president last week, said on Monday that he had chosen businessman Herintsalama Rajaonarivelo as the new prime minister because of his experience and “cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Deputy US marshal and man shot during Ice operation in Los Angeles
During the operation, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents surrounded and boxed in a man in his vehicle. Tricia McLaughlin, a DHS assistant secretary, said the man used his vehicle to ram the federal agents’ vehicles in an attempt to flee. Officers then fired “defensive shots”. The man was shot in the elbow. The deputy marshal was struck in the hand by a ricochet bullet, the DHS said. Both were taken to the hospital.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/21/deputy-marshal-shot-los-angeles

State websites blame Republicans for food stamp cuts as shutdown drags on
States have started to warn that millions of families could go without food aid next month, and some have adopted the Trump administration's more partisan tone. "Because Republicans in Washington, D.C., failed to pass a federal budget, causing the federal government shutdown, November 2025 SNAP benefits cannot be paid," the Pennsylvania Department of Human Services website said. "Federal officials with the Trump Administration have told all states that if the Republican federal government shutdown continues, it won't pay for SNAP (food stamp) benefits in November," the Illinois Application for Benefits Eligibility website said.
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/21/snap-benefits-trump-democrats
https://archive.ph/9OSg6

Trump nominates new Army vice chief with current general just two years into the role
The nomination and replacement come less than a week after Adm. Alvin Holsey, the Navy admiral who is overseeing military operations against alleged drug boats off Venezuela, announced a surprise, early retirement in December. About a month ago, Gen. Thomas Bussiere, head of the Air Force’s Global Strike Command, also suddenly announced his retirement, citing “personal and family reasons.”
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Catherine Connolly: Ireland’s left candidate
Connolly has brought together the largest grouping of left-wing political parties, trade unionists, cultural and community organisations, anti-war and solidarity groups-in a presidential election since the foundation of the Irish state. But her election is not a forgone conclusion in spite of her polls being high. The October 17 edition of the Irish Times carried a headline in reference to the forthcoming Irish presidential election which read: “Connolly holds commanding 18-point lead entering the final week.” She was on 38 per cent to Heather Humphrey’s 12 per cent. However, while such a headline might be of comfort to Connolly’s supporters some of the more cynical among us would think there could have been an ulterior motive in writing such a headline. Could it have been a sort of clarion call to those who do not desire a left-wing candidate as president to come out and vote for her opponent? We all know of the story of the Trojan Horse and the old saying “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.” (No offence to Greeks.) So was there an ulterior motive?
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/catherine-connolly-irelands-left-candidate

My Time in Mexico’s Largest Immigration Detention Center: This is an excerpt from The Darién Gap: A Reporter’s Journey through the Deadly Crossroads of the Americas by Belén Fernández, now available from Rutgers University Press.
The first time I spoke with survivors of the Darién Gap, I was in jail in Mexico. It was July 2021, and I was serving a brief stint as the token gringa inmate in Siglo XXI, Mexico’s largest immigration detention center, located in the city of Tapachula, Chiapas, just west of the border with Guatemala. Over two thousand kilometers to the southeast of Tapachula lies the Darién Gap, known in Spanish as el Tapón del Darién or “the Darién Plug”: a 106 kilometer stretch of territory that straddles Panama and Colombia and constitutes the only roadless interruption in the Pan-American Highway linking Alaska to the tip of Argentina. The Darién Gap encompasses a spectacularly hostile jungle that has in recent years become a mass migrant graveyard, as hundreds of thousands of refuge seekers from across the world are forced to contend with its horrors while pursuing tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

>>2530632
I'm glad the hind rajab foundation is sticking this out. it is disgusting how cowardly the EU is on universal jurisdiction.

Thank you based news anon



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What is your opinion of Michael Pettis theory of reducing trade deficits via taxing incoming capital flows?

Michael Pettis claims that the US trade deficit is the result of excess savings giving rise to capital inflows.

https://www.financialsense.com/blog/19242/how-trump-can-fix-americas-trade-imbalance

>the global economy is overflowing with excess savings. The need to park these excess savings somewhere safe is what fuels global capital flows, in turn giving rise to trade imbalances


>After all, even though interest rates are historically low and U.S. corporate balance sheets are amassing heaps of nonproductive cash, the U.S. economy is still absorbing massive sums of capital from overseas. Clearly, this isn’t happening because U.S. firms need foreign capital. The reason for these imbalanced capital flows is that foreign investors need a safe place to direct their excess savings. With the deepest, best-governed, and friendliest capital markets, the United States is the obvious destination.


Furthermore,

>Economists who contend that the U.S. economy needs foreign capital to compensate for low domestic savings rates are mostly confused about why U.S. savings rates are so low and how they respond to capital inflows. A fundamental requirement of the balance of payments is that net capital inflows must boost the gap between investment and savings, and if capital inflows do not cause domestic investment to rise, they must cause domestic savings to decline.


So he proposes the solution :
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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Overt Operations Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: ''Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka''™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2530497
Emma is the leftist who thinks big country of Bumfuckland invaded smaller country of Penistan 10,000 miles away from Unser Burgerreich, so our based military-industrial complex must arm Penistan with the Reich’s money. No wonder these ‘leftists’ podcast are more than tolerated, even welcomed by the Reich.

>>2530671
Why did you run over the motorist

>>2530173
<fuck yeah, let's destroy communism
yes, right wingers see everything to the left of hitler as communist. which is why you do so.

>>2530463
>>2530497
She is right in thinking the American public are morons

>>2530515
But Centrist/Career Dems are having a field shitting on the tattoo…



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