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Ok hear me out, I'm scatterbrained so not sure how to explain this well.

Who's to say that a "techno-feudal" future wouldn't literally be techno-feudal? Is this really at odds with capitalism?

The Roman patrician class. Patrician comes from pater, pater meaning father. "Descendant of father". What father? Allegedly, the one of several that originally settled Rome. These fathers monopolized power over the presumed late-comer migrants to Rome who would become the plebs. To use an analogy, it's like how today you might immigrate somewhere but find yourself discriminated in employment and housing because you're not "one of them" even if you obtain citizenship. But on a smaller scale.

The power of a patrician did not necessarily come from being a "household name". Rather it is belonging to the collective of "household names" that gave power. A bundle of sticks, if you will. A ruling class. We are taught in schools however that the distinction between patrician and pleb faded. Did the ruling class fade? No, the ruling class became "the wealthy". Actually, the patricians were already "the wealthy". The only thing that changed is that now, the plebs could become "the wealthy", too.

In other words, the bundle of sticks expanded to incorporate new "sticks". Why could the original fathers of Rome monopolize their power in the first place? Because from the very start they were "the wealthy" relative to the late-comer migrants.

By the way, virtually the exact same thing played out in Athens. The eupatridae were the Athenian equivalent of patricians.

The old Marxist tale is that capitalism defeated feudalism. Leaving aside the fact that "feudalism" is ill-defined. In vernacular conception, "feudalism" is rule of nobility. But as we've established, "nobility" (such as the patricians and the eupatridae) is older than Medieval Europe. Well, what the old Marxists wanted to say really, is that the descendants of Medieval European nobles were defeated by the "bourgeoisie". This happened, right?

You might find two factoids interesting.
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>>2602770
>>2602760
>>2602799
Yeah but he's wrong. It's just an evolution of merchant capital/imperialism. Control of shipping lanes, resource monopolies and communications technology are still both the same kinds of arbitrage.

>>2603695
Like read the section on the struggle to eliminate commercial profit https://www.marxists.org/archive/grossman/1929/breakdown/ch03.htm

This techno-feudalism stuff is no different than multinational monopolies building components in the periphery and assembling them in the imperial core. It's just the fusion of merchant capital, industrial capital and the state.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch20.htm

>>2603608
Techno-feudalism is an emotionally loaded marketing buzzword and the underlying reasoning seems pretty vibes based and unmarxist.

Whatever, keep running with that shit as if virtual platforms would conjure a new reality.

>>2604520
"Capitalism swept away feudalism" I scream as the technicians install an implant in my brain and send me to work in Sir Musk's Epic Baconsauce Kingdom.

Can the emergence of aristocracy be explained in these terms?
Phase 1 aristocracy emerges when a dominant clan or coalition of dominant clans engages in state-building, thereby wiping out the lesser clans. The "nuclear family" phenomenon, sort of.
Phase 2 aristocracy emerges further when in the now-built state competition between phase 1 aristocrats causes a crisis of the state's stability. A dictator emerges as a necessity of keeping the state alive, for society is too dependant on the existence of the state logistically to allow it to crumble. The dictator rewards those loyal to him and punishes those that oppose him. The resulting phase 2 aristocracy is made up of old loyalists and new cronies.

IF the state crumbles, you're back at square 1. Clan-based society.

This maps onto Rome and the Middle Ages in Western Europe. Republic (phase 1) > Empire (phase 2) > Germanic conquest (state crumbles, back to clans) > "medieval times" (phase 1 again)



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Five Eyes, honestly, shouldn't be using that much AI because AI based opinion control tends to breed reactance and ressentiment.

My previous position was pure Third Worldist, i.e, that Marxism is hopeless in the developed West, that for Marxists in the first world, you have three options: rear guard battle in the core, revolution in the periphery and semi periphery where Marxism and more specifically Marxist-Leninism actually have a chance, and emigration to an actual ML state (North Korea, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, C) or ML controlled territory (Kerala in India).

Looking at the "what is Communism" thread, it seems that it might be worthwhile to actually establish a Trotskyite/Demsoc territory or country within the imperial core, simply for the propaganda value and to influence opinion in the developed West.

That means:
-Developed country / Imperial Core status
-Victory through elections, however much disinformation is used to win the first few.
-Subsidies from BRICS to provide high HDI and standard of living to survive the inevitable Western sanctions.
-Potential military protection from Russia or China, to prevent coup attempts or hard attacks.
-A BJP / LDP-style political structure, wherein the vanguard party effectively controls the mainstream and the elections, but allows the existence of rump opposition parties or loss of local control over regions.

I think the point is concentration, i.e, looking for a country where a Trotskyite revolution CAN succeed, and dedicating efforts to decisively win elections there.

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>Looking at the "what is Communism" thread
Shit thread, clearly anticommunist bait
>looking for a country where a Trotskyite revolution CAN succeed, and dedicating efforts to decisively win elections there.
wtf

Are you retarded and/or glowing

basically, all you want is LARP socialism / Marxism. Marxism demands praxis, not being bitches of social Dems and fascists.

You have three choices: rear-guardism in the core, or being social Democrat whores. Revolutionary death in some insurgency somewhere, I think only the Naxalites are still active and prominent. Or, moving to an ML country and conducting normal praxis there, by paying your taxes and accelerating socialist development.

I'm suggesting a fourth: find a core country vulnerable enough to the periphery and semi-periphery that has the conditions necessary for electoral victory, and then do it. Then build up counter hegemony from state backing, while under effective semi-periphery protection and support.

Bump

>>2609506
Why so you bump cringe you shit general

From an actual ideological perspective, Trotskyism was never that far off from its more popular sibling, MLism, and at this point they've basically coverged into the same thing anyway. To conflate Trotskyism with Demsocism is to admit that you've never read him.



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Socialist
>Emmm END OF HISTORY is le wrong amirite?

Actual Fukuyama
>Everybody will eventually learn to love liberalism because the atomized liberal subject who is free to set up whatever they want as their identity/being and be validated for it is the least bad model for every ideological tendency out there

If you actually read about Fukuyama what he said is legit what a lot of lib leftoids (and rightoids who want to have individual space where they can identify as an agarthan superman) wants society to look like. They say they want community or "a village", but in the end what these liberals perceieve as a "community" is a libertarian association that ultimately serve to empower the individuals that is the end all be all of politics. Regardless of whether its rightoid politics who tell impressionable young men that they can larp as macho hunters in a warband with women all over them as long as they spend enough time doing the based ritual or leftoid anarchist who misinterpret the Deluzian rhizome all of you guys unconsciously pivot to Francis's position
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>>2607158
>>2607144
>>2607150
Samefag, stop trying to rehabilitate Fukuyama, its pathetic


>>2609818
>a useless concept that is an analytical burden
i.e. you're too lazy to make your model fit reality or too cowardly to accept there will be edge cases, so all that's left is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and coercing reality to fit the model. which is doomed to failure
you'd go far as a bourgeois economist.

>>2609866
If your defense of Wallerstein's stupidity is "but, Fuck your mama…" that means you don't have a real defense.

>>2609818
>>2609871

The individual obviously does exist. The only people who'd argue otherwise are retarded naval-gazing philosphers. Stop reading nonsense and start reading actual theory.



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The most critically acclaimed tv shows in the western world all have one thing in common. Their mc is some irredeemable sociopath who uses manipulation and violence for gaining wealth. Breaking bad and the sopranos is the most glaring example. But even mad men is extreme in how evil the mc is. Dude cheats on his wife and neglects his kids but is considered badass for doing so. There's even one scene where don is handed a copy of Atlas shrugged by his boss
Is this how western elites view themselves?
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>>2609839
lmao sopranos is still the only one to really do it well. didnt cop out and give tony a sentimental ending like breaking bad. also the therapy scenes in are some of the best scenes but also harder to sit through than any of the kills because theyre so awkward. every time Tony goes on some horrific tangent clearly having no idea how offputting he comes across i have to pause to collect myself. peak tv

>>2609821
it lets you have your cake and eat it: people can enjoy it both as a power fantasy within the status quo and as a critique of the status quo.

>>2609973
a fun one here is pre-capitalist morality towards commerce: making money through inheritance without 'earning' it was considered noble and moral, while making it through trade was suspicious because you weren't producing it, nor were you getting it through your birth. you were conjuring money out of thin air by ripping people off by buying for less than a fair price in one place and selling for more than a fair price elsewhere. (in the morality of the time.)
today by contrast, most people who inherit their wealth try to hide that fact and pretend that they've earned it through business.

similarly, to be a male wage laborer - except perhaps at a young age - was often faintly shameful, since it meant you weren't capable of running your own household and needed somebody else to boss you around.

>>2609861
There's nothing wrong with anti-heros, provided their negative actions aren't glorified. Real people aren't perfect platonic beings, so if you want to do social realism properly, you need to depict people struggling against themselves.

>>2610210
Not only Tony but the show presented pretty much EVERYONE as a hypocrite and a douchebag. If the viewer still finds the character a 'role model', the viewer is a piece of shit, not the writer.



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Is prostitution inherently wrong?
We can all agree that it generally correlates with human trafficking and crime but I'm talking about sex workers who persue this career out of their own free will.
I don't think the state should interfere with what consenting adults do with their bodies as long as no one is harmed?
Would society become less violent if men were able to satiate their sexual frustrations through sex workers?
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>>2610185
why would gay men find women attractive?

Every loli poster is as guilty as Epstein

>>2610188
Maybe if the woman is manly enough?

>>2610191
No, gay men are not attracted to botch lesbians either
>>2610188
Hetmoids unironically believe gay equals solely liking dick instead of the whole package (Masculine body, physical features, etc…), is peak projection as most hetero males see women as walking cum dumpsters




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Maryland politics

Politics pertaining to maryland

For the discussion maryland and its future

Maryland residents prefered

Why is there no maryland meme flag?
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Where we coming from, /MD/?

hello from VA

who is OP

I used go live in the Baltimore area. Does that count?

What's with those half US, half confederate flags everywhere? It's been 150 years, pick a damn side already.
Also Old Bay sucks



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considering the average "discussion" on this place im convinced 99% of posters here have not read even the fucking manifesto (but have gladly wasted years of their lives reading shit only relevant to academics)

>The charges against Communism made from a religious, a philosophical and, generally, from an ideological standpoint, are not deserving of serious examination.

https://www.marxists.org/admin/books/manifesto/Manifesto.pdf
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Manifesto is a trash introduction to Marx. It's the most dated of his works and treatlerites will claim that most the points in its program have been accomplished so communism is pointless, while conveniently ignoring that it was class struggle by organized labor that won them. Value, Price and Profit is a clearer introduction to Marx's work and better illustrates how workers are still getting fucked.

>>2608879
Technically there are still some points that arent really implemented even in the most advanced countries today.

>>2608877
you are a mass tor baiter and i wasn't quote mining but you are. your quotes do not function as a counter to what I was saying, and you add no additional text from yourself to aid
>>2608876
nobody called themselves an intellectual. they spoke out against anti-intellectualism. you derived the additional
>implication
because you are a shitty mossad CIA LLMslop mass tor baiter and one of many who have utterly ruined this site.

>>2604680
>convert [boring egostical wankfest] into 6 bullet points please
reading books is so 2020

>>2604680
>muh discussions



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Due to a glitch in DHS software code you can bypass the redaction.
> First : Open the attached link and scroll down to item #203. Second: Copy the content (you may need to include the end of #202 and the beginning of #206). Third: Paste the copied (redacted) text into ms word.
https://archive.org/details/combined-all-epstein-files/DataSet_1_COMPLETE.pdf



 

What is the official /leftypol/ position on the growing phenomenon of of upper class people using surrogacy to have "hundreds" of children? As well as the concurrent phenomenon of certain sperm donors being selected over and over again until they reach similar counts of children?

https://archive.is/x1j4e#selection-2899.0-2903.137
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg8mge23leo
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>>2609154
this, I don't think it really matters

Better than 80 autism score Jamal having 16 baby mamas. Billionaires having loads of children is unironically eugenic.

power corrupts i guess. who knew?!

It'll lead to more incest maybehaps.

>>2609154
Are they actually giving these kids inheritance? I assumed this was a strat to circumvent inheritance and keep money to the grave.



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~300,000 BCE - 1920 CE: Humans freely use psychoactive substances for most of their existence.
1920: Prohibition Era begins (U.S.)
1925: International Opium Convention
1930: Forming of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) is formed (U.S.)
1937: Marihuana Tax Act (U.S.)
1948: The World Health Organization (WHO) establishes a technical committee on drug dependence, affecting governments on drug policies.
1951: Boggs Act (U.S.)
1961: The UN Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs
1971: Terrorist Richard Nixon Declares the War on Drugs
1972: The UN Commission on Narcotic Drugs (CND)
1973: The Controlled Substances Act (U.S.)
1984: The Comprehensive Crime Control Act (U.S.)
1986: Anti-Drug Abuse Act (U.S.)
1988: United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (1988)
1997: The UNODC was established, merging the United Nations Drug Control Programme (UNDCP) and the Centre for International Crime Prevention (CICP)
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>>2606280
No one here expressed repulsion with penis in anus. Just so much penis in anus with proper lubrication is from imperialism. The west cannot produce olive oil locally.

>>2606288
The fact that tr^nnie is a banned word here is like ultimate evidence that the mods are major moralfags btw, not that I hate trans people or anything

>>2606288
No moral faggetry just material analysis less imperials. Means less drugs and lube

>>2606289
>Those were African olives, bastard!
🤷🏿

i believe this thread has some of the most retarded posts ive seen outside of usapol threads



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