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Is that true that Venezuela was way more free and richer before Hugo Chavez?
Many people i talked with said it was.
I'm not into history so much,so i wanted to ask you about this.
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>>2559034
You are telling socdems that their dream of moral capitalism is impossible?

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>>2559034
>Being incapable of responding to sabotage would still be a black mark against a socialist government
I wish you well. May you never have your entire life sabotaged in secret by a person with way more power than you and then blamed for your inability to defend yourself as your life collapses all around you.

South American countries go back and forth between authoritarianism and democracy every other week.

>>2559642
Maybe those are two largely meaningless labels

>>2559034
why is cuba still experiencing fuel shortages? the wiki page isn't very clear on the latest ones



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Hello, new user here so please excuse my naivety or possible ignorance.

As I've spent the past few months trying to research history and further define my own political identity, I've fallen down a rabbit-hole from mainstream social media platforms to smaller imageboards (such as this one, which has particularly interested me!).

I was hoping to hear some of your own conclusions as to why it's so much more common to see people fall for right-wing pipelines and propaganda, and whether or not it makes them stupid or just gullible. I started to research niche right-wing online communities (which I will avoid mentioning by name) and have noticed their significant influence despite their small size, and their sheer output of content.

My theory is that right-wing politics provide short, simple answers to complicated issues. Because of that, it's easy to build a community that produces content which mocks people who provide answers that can't be explained in a single paragraph. Also the fact that this content is played off as simply a joke or absurdist humor rather than legitimate propaganda.

Again, sorry if this sounds dumb or has an obvious answer!
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A lot of right-wing propaganda is demand lead. Stupid, low-openness, low-social-trust people prone to negative sum thinking like to have their stupid, low-openness, low-social-trust, zero-sum prejudices confirmed. It's not just that they're stupid and gullible, it's that you're starting with an inbuilt advantage. If you hate new things, think other people are naturally evil, that the world is naturally hierarchical (even if you find yourself a total loser in that hierarchy), etc, it's very easy for right-wing propaganda to work on you and much harder for left-wing propaganda to work.

The real decisive tiebreaker here is economics. Every economist agrees that, outside a tiny range of circumstances, tariffs are the most retarded thing in the world. Pre-Trump, a good chunk of right-wingers with more of a libertarian influence would agree. It is, quite literally, basic economics.
Well, the most prominent right-wing politician in the world has a tariff fetish, so what do right-wingers do? Defend tariffs. Defend tariffs in actively retarded ways. (Have you ever considered that maybe it's good to make everyone poorer?)
For all the money a chunk of neoliberal inclined people have thrown at economic propaganda, which has been broadly successful when it comes to taxation and nationalisation (which are "pro-social"/high trust ideas), it all went totally down the drain on tariffs. "I don't like foreigners and think we should stick to our own, the world is zero-sum and if they're winning we must be losing" as a stupid, ape-brained prejudice proved more powerful than all the money in the world.

It should, however, be said that "non-left-wing" left wing propaganda has been very successful. The average young person is incredibly socially liberal and the cultural norms of socially liberal communities (say, "the LGBT community") are overtly socialist, often communist sympathetic. The right are a loud minority of young people propped up by middle aged and old people.

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>>2557753
"Left-wing politics" is unnatural to humanity and is forced upon us by historical forces. It's like teaching a bear to ride a unicycle. Yes you can do it but the bear won't be happy.

>>2557753
The right's raison d'etre is preserving the oppressive systems of expropriation of the workers by the parasites. Said parasites (who have a hell of a lot more cashola to throw around since they're the ruling class) happily use some of the blood they sucked to pay obedient mouthpieces to indoctrinate the proles into thinking the system that allows the bloodsuckers to suck blood is based.

Overlapping with some replies already here:
>mass media is not politically neutral. look at ownership of the largest newspapers, television channels and social media platforms. some are openly purchased by Bezos and Musk. so the 'mainstream' opinion most people are basing their worldview on is pro-capitalist and normalizes casual patriarchy, racism, etc., etc., yes, even some of the progressive-liberal media re-enforces these. Right-wing ideology aligns closer to this worldview.
>typically, as a trend, very rich people lean rightward, it's in their material interest, since most of the very rich are owning-class (bourgeoisie) and maintain their wealth through exploiting the worker-class. They also have the resources to buy and control media, ad space (and therefore the ability to pressure media outlets with threat of boycott), marketing and manipulation services (see Cambridge Analytica scandal) and more.

It's unrealistic to take the liberalist approach of assuming that good ideas win by merit of being correct. This is obviously not true. The 'marketplace of ideas' is heavily-rigged, and especially so in the mass media spaces of the Internet, television, radio, newspapers, etc., which are privately-owned, they are not neutral or fair platforms for ideas. YouTube, TikTok, etc., content algorithms have been formally shown to push people quickly into right-wing pipelines, even pushing that content to people watching "left-wing" content.

"In every epoch, the ideas of the ruling class are the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force." (written in 1845, still true)

>>2557777
>attest
attest



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This is a question I have always had, usually when reading their forums they just go on and on about how they're going to magically deport 100 million non-whites from America and then they'll live happily ever after.
No actual realistic steps seem to be discussed ever. It's either pining for deportations or masturbatory fantasies about Total (insert boogeyman here) Death
This isn't even getting into how contradictory these types can be, plenty of white nationalists will pine after non white women
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>>2504528
this happens in the imperial core in general, because of sex education, contraception, birth control, abortion, and capitalist alienation. people want to pursue individualsit careerism and by the time they are old enough to safely start a family, they only have one or two children, not enough to grow the population, and because they waited a long time before reproducing, there is a higher chance of birth defects, or autism, or the parents dying before the child is fully grown. So you end up with atomization and alienation, even within the bourgeois family unit. Everyone too busy to talk to one another, and too busy to reproduce themselves.

I don't see this as necessarily bad. It's actually good that women aren't made to be brood mares, but there are downsides to having a population in decline that does not want to and/or cannot afford to reproduce itself.

>>2518149
which is funny because they themselves are imbeciles, just smug fart-sniffing pseudo-intellectual imbeciles instead of incredulous, angry anti-intellectuals.

>>2506677
nation states are useful fictions
races are useful fictions
capital dissolves everything like acid

>how are they going to achieve their enthnostate
Just rip from the Himmler's playbook for doing the holocaust, ghettos into concentration camps into death camps. Ring out what labor you can from them and then send to gas chambers.
>but what classifies as white people
Its an arbitrary distinction they will make when the time comes, that will probably change overtime. Remember Hitler didn't consider the Finns to be Aryans until they held their own against the Soviets. What matters is that your saying that your purging non-whites, not who exactly qualifies.

>>2504508
Race ideology is socialism applied to properties of persons.
Instead of abolishing property to achieve a community of pleasures and pains, it involves abolishing properties of persons until they reach a cult of personality / mold the characteristics of a group into the mold one personhood would have.
It is very socialistic thinking at the basis of race ideology – people in molds of races don't see "mine" and "thine" as the same in respect to each other, just like private property splits and divides a city on this basis, so too properties of persons and their egos and characteristics.
The idea is if you abolish all other personalities "races" into one race and one people, there will be a community of pleasures and pains – no more will riots break out in a city, between Black and White, like what happened over George Floyd, because in the White Nationalist ideology all the City will say "mine" and "thine" in terms of people, and have a community of pleasures and pains.
Whether it is real or not doesn't matter – that people treat race as real and arbitrate accordingly and bare their teeth and snarl, that's all that matters – a cult of personality will be instituted to arbitrate on race and stop this war of all against all in terms of race.
As for solutions…
Most White Nationalists think multiculturalism is being contrived and hordes of foreigners imported it would stop half of the problem.
They would probably do what Argentina and Rhodesia did. Encourage immigration from the race they accept as "White", stop "Nonwhite" immigration, and deportations.
…Others just want to make communes and self-segregate into little communities in a pastoralist "Return to the Land" movement.

Plato's Republic Book 5
>“Is not, then, the community of pleasure and pain the tie that binds, when, so far as may be, all the citizens rejoice and grieve alike at the same births and deaths?”

>“But the individualization of these feelings is a dissolvent, when some grieve exceedingly and others rejoice at the same happenings to the city and its inhabitants?” “Of course.” “And the chief cause of this is when the citizens do not utter in unison such words as ‘mine’ and ‘not mine,’ and similarly with regard to the word
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Nobody cares about "revisionism". Nobody cares if you think socialism ended in the USSR in 1953 or whatever. Nobody cares about your position on debates and splits that took place decades before they were born. What people *do* care about is that socialism and can solve the problems that face them, like poverty and colonialism. I've seen people here ridicule the notion that socialism is helping people but there is really no other way to build power. People did not follow Lenin because he had the right ideas but because the Bolsheviks were the only conceivable solution that didn't end in what would later be known as fascism. Why does the CPC have near-universal approval in China? Because their system works and it provides for the people. Almost nobody there wants to return to the days of the Cultural Revolution. And where is anti-revisionist cause celebre Albania today? Now just another NATO puppet state. The entire concept of "anti-revisionism" is anti-materialist because it puts ideas before people. It doesn't matter if you have the right ideas because Marxism was never about having the right ideas. What matters is having the right practice. Here's another truke: If your system can be undone by a single bad actor with mere decrees, then maybe it was useless and was never going to make it in the first place.
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>>2558993
Kamala lost.

You have just a backwards, unscientific ideology. Nothing you do will amount to anything. You are not Marxists.

>>2532098
>nObOdy cArEs
it is sufficient to say "i don't care about X" but even that is not worth saying at all because it adds nothing. narcissists always have to pretend their personal dumbass opinion is universal which is why why they'll bludgeon you with "nObOdy cArEs" instead of just quietly moving on from subjects which do not interest them

>>2559014
Kamala stans make the exact faggot argument OP did
Your mum should kill herself

What do you determine is useful information and what's not? That's the more important question. Until we talk about that it will be endless shitflinging between the two extremes.



 

Many people believe that economic depressions and recessions cause crime, and that economic booms are associated with low crime rates. History, however, tells a different story.

In my new LSU Press book, The Roots of Violent Crime in America: From the Gilded Age through the Great Depression, I examine in detail United States crime rates over a sixty-year period, from roughly the 1880s to 1940. I wrote about a more recent period, 1940 to 2015, in my previous book, The Rise and Fall of Violent Crime in America (2016). Together, these works provide new insights into the relationship between crime and various social conditions: poverty, immigration, economic crises, weakness in the criminal justice system, group subcultures of violence, and more.

A major issue addressed by Roots of Violent Crime, which I would like to touch on here, is the relationship between economic conditions and violent crime. I will limit my remarks to crimes of violence, that is, murder, rape, assault, and forcible robbery. This leaves out property crimes, such as theft/larceny, fraud, burglary, and arson. I’m also excluding so-called public order offenses, including drunk driving, weapons violations, and immigration crimes.

Property crimes and public order offenses correlate with economic conditions in a different way than violent crimes. One can readily see why. Suppose we have a terrible depression, as in the 1930s, with millions of people desperate for necessities and even for food itself. It doesn’t take much to imagine theft and burglary rising in such a situation. As I will show, however, violent crime does not follow the same trajectory as property crime, though it is widely believed that economic decline is a principal cause of crime increase.

The United States has suffered numerous economic recessions, the worst of which (the Great Depression) lasted for more than a full decade, from the stock market crash of late 1929 to the war boom of 1941. Major recessions also occurred in 1873–1879, 1893–1897, and 2007–2009. But there was no consistent relationship between economic decline or economic booms and violent crime.

In the 1890s, a major recession and the influx of millions of massively impoverished immigrants should by popular assumption have produced higher violent crime rates. As I write in Roots of Violent Crime (p. 168):

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so violent crime is not affected by economic conditions?

Sure, if the cliche lefty explanation were true poor countries would be crime ridden hellholes, and sometimes they are especially if it's a failed state, but not uniformly. Seems to be more about community ties and religion. Similar with happiness studies where poor countries often end up ahead of rich countries, although northern European welfare states are usually near the top.



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>>2558920
I absolutely know that feel

Thread full.

Who bake?

>>2558753
>lemme tell you about imperialism
<CHOYNAH….
rent fucking free

Here after Russian police arrested people for putting flowers in a October revolution statue lmao




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Yes, he was an extraordinary man,
a specimen of a very rare breed.
I won't describe a specimen of this breed to you,
O perspicacious reader
You'll never get to see even one example of this breed.
You aren't constituted so that you can perceive such types.
They're invisible to you.
Only honest and bold eyes can see them.
This poem serves merely so
that you'll know,
even if only by hearsay,
what kind of people
exist on this earth.

There are only a few of them,
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gay poopoo head

Another Aryan classic

Beautiful



 

Am I the only one seeing a re-birth of “anarcho”-capitalist ideology on the internet?

These fuckers were EVERYWHERE back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. In fact, their presence coincided with the Obama presidency, whereby the entire GOP was calling Obama a closeted communist and pushing a ton of anti-Marxist propaganda. A lot of it had to do with the Ron Paul cult that started in 2007-2008. “An”-caps tried weaselling their way into every anti-war protest, every authentically anarchist space, Occupy Wall Street (they tried infiltrating the movement to make it about ending the Federal Reserve but failed), and plenty of other anti-establishment spaces.

However, by the mid 2010s most of them jumped on the Trump train and shifted their views entirely. No longer were they free market fundamentalists but big government right-wing populists. My friend in New Hampshire said that nearly all the Free Staters are now anti-drug, anti-queer, anti-abortion, and pro-police, when they all held the polar opposite views 13-15 years ago. Plus, many free market guys are now MAGAts who’ve converted to traditionalist Catholicism and are pushing a hyper-nationalist crypto-NazBol agenda. The only thing I can conclude is that their views were always informed by white supremacy.

However, for the past week or so I’ve noticed a sizeable resurgence of “an”-caps online. Has anyone else noticed the same? You think they will come back as a means of countering Mamdani and the new rise of DSA into political power?
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>>2555796
still unable to give your anarchist definition of state?

Also Lenin wrote an entire book on his conception of the state and your unsourced quote is not the substance of his arguments.

trump being a traitor made more ancap. The west and it's horrible institutions made me ANCAP

>>2554334
If I'm truthful, I've come to sympathize with "real" ancaps and libertarians against trumpist retards. All 5 of them.
Anarcho capitalism is wrong and impossible, but so are most ideologies. Pretentiously, it has a useful dialectic with socialists and socdems who can, occasionally, get drawn into silly mistakes by being too clever by half.
Good economic planning and regulation can sometimes beat the market, but bad economic planning and regulation will always underperform it, and even very clever people can do their planning badly. Sometimes, when a bad plan is going badly, the best solution is to take your hands off the wheel… But the weakness of an intellectual is that it's very hard to say "I don't know and I'm not going to touch anything, the wisdom of the crowd can sort it out" instead of trying to find a solution yourself. Ancaps have helpful things to say in arguing for a move towards this state of affairs.
(They do themselves no favors by picking half-hearted heroes. Thatcher, for example, was not the libertarian she's portrayed as. She created fake, highly-regulated markets for former state-owned industries to roleplay in and engaged in massive giveaways of state assets. She was, in the ancap slur sense of the term, a "socialist.")

They've a similar dialectic with the right, provided that they're strongly principled and not just looking for a tax cut: tariffs are retarded interference with the market, immigration restrictionism and ICE are retarded interference with the market, mandating that institutions discriminate against LGBT people and antizionists is retarded interference with the market.
For smart people who won't go left, it's much better that they wind up with this kind of obsession than going down the rabbit hole of skull measuring.

>>2555349
tbh I find glib anarchist-chic idiots have the best politics of all because their politics are so empty. That's what a mentally healthy person does. Good things are good, bad things are bad, acab, simple as. That's a much better position to be in than where I find myself, making the communist case for market libertarianism as a lesser evil, an ugly position that pleases nobody. That's a much better position to be in than developing anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Came to say that the ancom anon is writing some fire and I am not even ancom, just gotta respect the dedication

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>>2555766
>Judge Dredd is my favorite state I think.
Well part of the joke is that Dredd is the embodiment of the "rule of law" but crime is also completely out of control.



 

in a way the proletariat is an AI. repeated class struggle produces emergent capabilities (class consciousness) towards the development of a 'class for itself' (AGI). It's cybernetical yuo see.



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What do you bros think of this chart? Good or bad? I discovered it while browsing the internet on acid. I actually took it serious over the last year because I'm insane. Was I an idiot?
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>>2555602
Either way it's slop garbage either by schizophrenics or ironypoisoned retards

>>2555611
>ironypoisoned retards
mostly this. memed themselves into becoming a run off the mill reactionary

>>2555614
Many such cases.

This chart reminds me of bizarre nonsensical charts that AI chatbots tend to create. Maybe it was AI generated, but maybe it doesn't even matter - maybe there's no meaningful difference between the output of a broken LLM and the output of a broken human brain that has been poisoned by social media; they're both just random noise generators now.

>>2555631
Poetic



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