/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2680401
You say the imperialists do nothing wrong and that they do not need to earn redemption. This is highly suspect. You defy history for all revolution bring redemption to the exploiters and oppressors.

new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360

>>2680401
Wrong. amerikans owe me everything they have because they enslaved by family

>>2680342
I know, the point of leftypol is to demoralize feds and reactionaries.

>Trump
Epstein Files
>Clinton
Epstein Files
>Bush Sr
Epstein files
>Biden
Sniffs little girls on camera

That's 17 years of the global order being ran by pedophiles.

>>2679371
>I am an ML
you are a hasan fan lol

Chomsky was always surface-level lefty shit. His most important revelation, political, is that the media is a propaganda arm of the government. And that isn't exactly a revelation to most people who aren't already heavily indoctrinated.

I miss David Graeber though. Only the good die young i guess.

>>2677839
We already know theyre both cunts so no one really is surprised.

>>2679585
woah is that putin?

The Marxist position is to organize for the defense of the rights of all workers, including immigrant workers, with compensation for these workers, unions and workers' organizations for any violations compared to native workers, passing all punishments on to the capitalists, also preventing any way for the capitalist to control the immigrant worker to intensify exploitation, where any profit made from unpaid work or work below the wage of the native worker will lead to intervention that will revert any profit made along with the fines that will accumulate plus the lawsuits in solidarity that will be guaranteed to the workers.

Let's begin with the text addressing the issue of Irish and English workers at the time:

<I shall give you here only quite briefly the salient points.

<Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of their material wealth; it is their greatest moral strength. They, in fact, represent the domination over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the cardinal means by which the English aristocracy maintain their domination in England itself.

<If, on the other hand, the English army and police were to be withdrawn from Ireland tomorrow, you would at once have an agrarian revolution in Ireland. But the downfall of the English aristocracy in Ireland implies and has as a necessary consequence its downfall in England. And this would provide the preliminary condition for the proletarian revolution in England. The destruction of the English landed aristocracy in Ireland is an infinitely easier operation than in England herself, because in Ireland the land question has been up to now the exclusive form of the social question because it is a question of existence, of life and death, for the immense majority of the Irish people, and because it is at the same time inseparable from the national question. Quite apart from the fact that the Irish character is more passionate and revolutionary than that of the English.

<As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land which provides the English market with meat and wool at the cheapest possible prices. It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish populatiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669259
I gave you the Marxist answer here:
>>2670994

>>2670231
>Lenin, Marx…thought class would be a far more defining feature
>in people's outlook
did they? what do you mean by "outlook"? did they say it was defining, or determinative? on its own, or in the last instance? with education, or spontaneously?
>class solidarity does exist among elites,
is outlook the same as "class solidarity"?
do "elites" get "class solidarity" spontaneously just from their class position?
>barely among working people and largely only among workers of the same ethnicity/culture
assuming this is true is it because of their ethnicity/culture or is that just correlation? what is the root of solidarity among workers? are there any other factors that would increase interpersonal association among people of the same culture, like physical interaction or proximity that might skew the causative effects of this assumption?

>>2678259
Liberia is so fucked up that they can't even begin thinking about communism, first they need to stop being one of the worst places on earth. Honestly another state needs to conquer Liberia, put all the war criminals on trial, and put everyone else in re-education camps before they can even start being functional.

>>2678269
Jesus that looks like an "arm yourself leftists" page on tumblr

>>2678144
why is the audio like that

>>2677927
i mean it makes sense
>atrocity happens to group
>group in subsequent times collectively develops "I have to do this first or it will happen to us again" mindset

>>2680300
i think i spliced it in from the podcast after i found the original video

https://soundcloud.com/subliminaljihad/unlocked-139a-demon-forces-iv-part-one-here-comes-dead-body-trouble-1989-90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhO6Zu6Alc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Eagleburger

>>2679339
>many black people don't vibes with Levantines since Arabs control a lot of the stores in the hood and they associate pro Palestinian activism with these Arab storeowners and that is two
This is actually a huge problem in Detroit as well that people don't talk about. Detroit has a lot of Palestinian, Lebanese, Iraqi, and Yemeni immigrants who are notorious for running liquor stores and convenience stores in Black neighbourhoods (Detroit is 80% Black for what it's worth). A lot of Black Detroiters are saying these Arabs are stealing Black dollars and not doing anything for Blacks in return. It's identical to how Jews and Asians used to deliberately set up their businesses in Black areas back in the day, which was the main source of racial tensions between those groups. Kind of interesting how ethnic groups that are on the cusp of whiteness gain whiteness specifically through exploiting Blacks. Kind of like how the Irish in America became white once they all started becoming cops.

>>2668747
Was she ever relevant in leftist circles?

>>2668747
Is that the lady Maupin has the hate boner for?

>>2660419
>>2679298
/pol/ agitators

>>2680301
That’s Taryn Fivek

>>2680013
>TFP
Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics. Everything else will make sense to you. To clarify: TFP is not a real thing, it's a catch all term for all the other metrics they cannot classify. As you can see, this is pure idealism and the reality is an intersection of things. For example: Savings rate, but into productive equipment is different from Savings rate into yachts and corporate buybacks. Also, goods transfers between state-owned enterprises don't count in GDP because no money was exchanged even if real economic activity happened.* I could go on, but the whole premise of modern economics is bullshit which is why people ask questions like OP.
>Congrats you discovered neoclassical economics is bullshit

*watch vidrel to see example of "free good" that is not counted in GEE DEE PEE @ 39:15

>>2680045
>Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics.
My understanding is that TFP was increases to productivity without increasing costs, so replacement of depreciated machines with upgraded alternatives (not scaling), or improved management techniques, or improved techniques in the usage of existing machinery.

Truthfully am perhaps too incompetent today to really learn the alchemical recipes of bourgeois economics. Never really understood what GDP was, in part because of confusion over the Soviet case. Even the math presented here has been forgotten by me. It's quite sad really.

It's very interesting the idea that labor value would be sets rather than values. I'll look forward to reading this fellows book when it comes out. It does sound rather difficult to plan with, but then again what do I know.

China is apparently similar with at most 40% of growth coming from TFP.

>>2668698
Im always impressed how you always come to the worst glowing position in every single event wherever it is in the world, and you will relentlessly spam threads with your obviously retarded CIA tier takes
the only reason people shit on leftcoms is because they associate it with you, because funnily enough, those are not even leftcoms positions, but as you're by far the worst recognizable poster simply seeing that flag make everyone prepare for reading the stupidest glowpost they've seen yet

>>2669209
see >>2669000

nooooooooooo you don't understand
we had to do this to get the hostages back
or something
idk

treating geopolitics like a map painter strategy game

>>2679465
Iran please bomb her.

>>2679694
So was Stalin?

>>2679341
Epstein was anti-imperialist?

>>2679782
Yes

>>2679782
He sold weapons to Iran and met w aes leaders so yes

>>2679694
no he wasn't are you retarded

>>2659594
And?

>>2658823
In both cases the "facts" are irrelevant because no one is taking responsibility for their actions and choices. Both positions are predicated on the fatalistic notion that some outside actor is "forcing" them to do this. But it's all them, the man who beats his wife or posts racial slurs, or the "revolutionary" killing someone are both doing it because they willed and decided to. God or The People are not obliging them to do either. It's all them.
After all; if this were the case, why can we nevertheless reject either and do the opposite instead?

I've argued this in discussions with "race war" proponents before; if the "race war" is inevitable, and we have to act in name of our "race", why is it possible to refuse to do so? Because there is no outside force compelling us.

The notion of an innate class interests is similar. If it is innate and an extension of personal interest, why can people reject it? There is no such thing as "class interest" and people cannot be reduced to classes. There is the interests of communists, who will communism. But not every worker does, and not every member of the (petite) bourgeois is opposed to it.

You argue it's because proles are alienated, but we're all alienated; even the bourgeoisie! From each other, from full pursuit of our own authenticity. Like (paraphrasing) Zizek put it, the archetypal capitalist is the one who dedicates their entire being to channeling and growing capital. But you cannot reduce people to only being capitalists or workers, and often the distinction is murky; ordinary workers also perpetuate the commodity form, they work to ensure goods remain (capitalist) commodities, they aid in organizing production and perpetuating capital. You can see this in various industries from retail to IT and others.
You can argue the distinction is about who "owns" capital, but if you assume a global perspective there is no singular owner of capital, not even the billionaire class as a whole. Capital is an emergent social force which acts through others. It does not have an "owner", regardless of who appears to benefit more from it than others.

>The idea of a vanguard party only serves to educate and make aware the proletariat of their condition
But this is just elitist arrogance. As if ordinary workers aren't aware they're beinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

it follows from german idealism that freedom is something inherently human, which sounds nice, but it thus disregards nature as something entirely secondary to our nature, and so holds to the religious prejudice that matter is evil while the soul is good.

without a doubt the most retarded french philosopher and that's saying something
he was also an unironical zionist

I jumped from Absurdism to Egoism so i never really got into it even tho i tried to read Kierkegaard but i couldn't understand anything and i kinda gave up on reading philosophy since then.

>>2677849
>go make prolepol.org
<umm it doesn't exist
not sending their brightest

Left means outside of the bourgeois political spectrum because once you leave the bourgeois spectrum, you've Left.

>>2676128
There's only those who wish to perpetuate the industrial system, and those who seek to dismantle it.

>>2679851
lol >>2679373