/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2700523
Maybe it took some time for that to occur? A slow burn if sorts.

Capitalists don't hate it, the bourgeoisie doesn't hate it, and reactionaries love it.

>>2700517
shut up. you are clearly straw manning. to say that there is a particular section of adults that is minor chasing and calling them "minor attracted persons" as if they are some type of neurodivergent group is some hideous mental illness on your part, or deliberate muddying of the waters. take your loli shit to another site, because that actually belongs on /pol/.

>>2700523
I was in school at that time too, it was just before the internet was widespread and the incel subculture arose, but incels already existed before the subculture, the internet is just the first time crystallized it into a massive grievance group you see today. before that incels were atomized and persecuted losers who were never in a position to find a collective voice by their very position in the social hierarchy of grade school.

>>2700494
also, all of this is to say that teenage women are pubertal, and if you are pubertal you are horny and will sleep with people. Just like younger boys will watch adult porn and jerk off to adult women, so teenage women will also be attracted to older teenagers and adults. The idea that because they are intellectually and emotionally immature, therefore they are not ready for sex, and any sex they have will somehow impede their development and cause permanent trauma, is a bit of an odd argument and I believe is simply just the post-facto justification of the current taboo that arose after age of consent laws were passed and internalized by society at large. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it only just tells us that adults have internalized the rules of society, and that those adults who are against it are usually like >>2700483 says prone to anti-social behavior. However, it is also just as plausible that the waters are muddied by anyone who has an attraction to younger women, because the spectrum of women from roughly 16- 22 can look very similar physically (though mentally the latter is more developed than the former… not by much admittedly, it is only at 25 I would argue that you have the development of an adult brain, and even then the degree of "adult brain" really begins to come together in the early 30s).

>>2700799
In other words, sexual libido and development far, far precedes mental development, it is simply a awkward biological fact that societies handle in a variety of ways. I do not think there is one "correct" way to solve it. Each way of attempting to regulate it comes with its own benefits and downsides. Imposing an age of consent at 18 will have its own pros and cons, and lowering it will also have its own.

>>2684652
>Marx’s Proto Zionist screeds
his what

>>2695602
anon will never elaborate. it was just ragebait

>>2684993
Lying is a bad idea, but I don't think you have to make communist symbolism central to the hypothetical Movement. I don't think the aims of socialism are that disagreeable to the average person as long as it doesn't involve establishing stalinism again or whatever. The key issue here is trust between the Movement and the workers, as well as confidence of the workers in their own strength. Another thing Marxists struggle to understand with their disdain for liberalism is the fact that society doesn't take kindly to party hegemony over politics. Many of the countries in the former Warsaw Pact face worse living standards than they did under AES yet they are more stable now. That's partially because capitalism and bourgeois society is not held together by a party of individuals or a single ideology that can be blamed for everything that happens in these countries. If socialism ever makes a comeback, it will be based on a constitution instead of a party.

You guys are retarded Fidel Castro up until he had power. He told everybody that he's not a communist and that he has no marxism in his ideas. Even in New York times, reporter who went up into the mountains with them for a long period of time, he did not believe they were communists or Marxist. It was not till after he got power that he said that he does believe in Marxism and that he's a communist

So it's like hilarious for some of you to say that this is unheard of or anti-communist to do. You guys really need to read up on history. It's evident that many of you don't read whatsoever

>>2684627
Bourgeoisie would react immediately to any kind of threat towards their properties and power status.

US Department of Labor reports 5,070 US workers killed on the job in 2024
A recent article in DCReport by Jordan Barab, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Labor under Obama, criticizes the administration’s proposed FY 2026 budget for federal worker safety agencies. Barab notes, “The job safety budget is just $3.68 per worker,” adding, “If budgets are the monetary expression of an organization’s values, Trump’s message to workers is: Drop dead.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/02/21/wtlw-f21.html

Cuban man’s death at El Paso tent camp was result of “spontaneous use of force,” ICE says
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials this week reported that the death of a 55-year-old Cuban man at a detention facility in El Paso was the result of the staff’s “spontaneous use of force” to “prevent him from harming himself.” Officials quietly updated the cause of death after previously declaring last month that the man died of “medical distress.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2026/02/20/texas-ice-detention-death-use-of-force-camp-east-montana/
https://archive.ph/16sUy

Hundreds of students suspended, schools under close watch over anti-ICE walkouts
Such anti-ICE or “ICE out” walkouts have increasingly popped up after Renee Good and Alex Pretti were shot and killed by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis last month. But experts say leaving school grounds is not a form of protest protected under the First Amendment for students, and Republican leaders are warning of consequences for those who participate.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5745489-ice-out-student-protests-texas-florida-oklahoma/
https://archive.ph/gXhqg

Thousands of Minnesotans to be kicked off SNAP due to new eligibility requirements
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DIANE ABBOTT: The priority should be a plan for growth
THERE are widespread reports that the Chancellor Rachel Reeves will not introduce any tax or spend measures in the Spring Statement on March 3. This would be a mistake. The G7 economies are struggling and the British economy is among the worst. We are effectively stagnating, and unemployment is rising. This is no time for passivity. The economy is failing to deliver for the population, while the turmoil in British politics reflects that. Of course, any commitment not to make things worse for workers and the poor would be welcome. Doing nothing would be an improvement on the last two Reeves’s Budgets, which deepened the austerity that the Tories had bequeathed. It is amazing to me that it is ever disputed that this government has implemented austerity. This was the government that carried out the stealth tax of freezing income tax thresholds, raised energy prices and fares, pushed council tax higher and imposed sub-inflation pay rises in the public sector.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/priority-should-be-plan-growth

Israel’s Economy Has Problems, but It’s Not Collapsing Yet
In the last quarter of 2023, Israel was simultaneously reeling from the shock and trauma of the October 7 Hamas attack on the cities and kibbutzim of the Gaza Envelope and mobilizing for a campaign of revenge and retaliation. Over 200,000 Israelis were evacuated from communities bordering the Gaza Strip and Lebanon, and some 300,000 reservists were mobilized. In the following months, the Israeli economy was dislocated. Consumer spending, imports, and exports declined dramatically. Ultimately, nearly 50,000 businesses went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Israel’s global brand is in the trash can. Its genocidal campaign in Gaza put it in bad odor among progressive circles worldwide and across much of the Global South. But the economic disruption that Israel has experienced to date has been manageable for its leaders.
https://jacobin.com/2026/02/israel-economy-tech-weapons-trade

Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed Chapter VI The Committee for Salvation
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tybna

>>2697573
>why is agriculture and mining subject to marginal effects (ground rent) but spinning and weaving supposedly are not? the simplest explanation is that both groups are subject to the same law
the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output:
<The introduction of power-looms into England probably reduced by one-half the labour required to weave a given quantity of yarn into cloth. The hand-loom weavers, as a matter of fact, continued to require the same time as before; but for all that, the product of one hour of their labour represented after the change only half an hour’s social labour, and consequently fell to one-half its former value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm

>>2697926
>the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output
that's the opposite of a marginal effect. marginal effects increase the value of a commodity. this is the essence of ground rent. but, investment lowers the value of a commodity. the latter is what Marx is saying in your quote. both effects are neatly covered by optimization theory. it can be summarized thusly:
>value is marginal in the absence of technical change
the value of a commodity goes up the more commodities are produced
>technical change brings about economics of scale
the value of a commodity goes down the more commodities are produced
both statements above are true. it's dialectical you see

>>2694130
he seems to have misspelled project Cybersyn

>>2695337
>Open AI advertising on LinkedIn doesn't mean shit. I
>>2695380
>but it wouldn't be the AI "selling it's service" obviously

You're not getting it. AI that is cognitively capable of selling itself is labour. It's not capital like a rented machine. The same AI is also capable of being a capitalist. I am really disturbed by how the board has retreated into pedantry over this. Refusal to concede that artificial labour is here is ceding the issue to the Epstein class.

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-agent-rentahuman-bots-hire-humans/
>For centuries, people have catastrophized about robots taking away jobs. On February 1, the paradigm shifted: bots are creating jobs. Now, 518,284 humans—and rapidly counting—are offering their labor to AI agents on a new online marketplace called RentAHuman. There are classifieds to count pigeons in Washington ($30/hour); deliver CBD gummies ($75/hour); play exhibition badminton ($100/hour); and anything else you could possibly imagine that a disembodied agent couldn’t do.

>>2699884
trvke

>>2699745
>>2699783

eh, at least they accept that 'Lenin testament' is most likely a forgery.

>>2699745
Speaking as an MIA volunteer, you really can't accuse the organization of being owned / run / dominated by Trotskyists at this point in time. They sort of were back in the site's glory days of 1998-2003ish, when a lot of the front-facing editorial content was drawn up; there was never a partisan commitment to Trotskyism, but a majority of volunteers were Trotskyists (or more often ex-Trotskyists; refugees from collapsed Trot parties like Gerry Healy's WRP played an outsize role), and the collective did not object to editorial content denigrating "Stalin and Mao" specifically.

Nowadays tho, I can say that there are several seemingly Marxist-Leninist volunteers active, and everyone, even the professed Trotskyists, tend to treat Soviet-model states with a less judgmental stance in new editorial content. I can't say anything more specific than that because there isn't much in the way of a collective editorial policy at all these days: everyone tends to their own little private plot of webpages, while the Steering Committee email list stays silent for weeks at a time.

>>2699880
and the circus sucks ass

>>2699819
>Catholikkk calling others 'nonsocal idealists'
You are dim

>>2699861
>loves animals
>hates actual humans and wants to genocide them
…was hitler a liberal

>muh culture
its always the petit bourgeois having endless debates about ideology. why the fuck do you think communists use the term "culture war" derogatorily? hint: its in the first word!!

>>2699861
>>2699873
no wonder redditors performatively love heccin pupperinos so much but will not even flinch whenever humans suffer

The biggest cultural revolution is the us pushing its culture in the world.
Now thsts being undone cause everyone thinks murica is lame.

>>2699736
It isn't the job of communists to defend traditions and culture, quite the opposite in fact. Avanti barbari, and all that.

Exactly why so many so-called communists believe that preserving half-dead, forgotten cultures is a goal for the labour movement is absolutely incomprehensible to me. As if you can just will a culture into existence, or insist that it survive.

>>2699736
They're talking about things like fancy ritual pagenty, as if they've existed unchanged for 2000 years. But they just make this shit up as they go along.

>>2698592
>six independent socialist countries
>venezuela
embarassing. yes I know this was published in 2024.

>>2698592
>>2699608
What's funny is they put South Korea, a first-world partner of American imperialism, in the Global South category, but countries like Serbia and Bosnia in the Global North.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMx6AZmxNqM

Ursula is smiling from cheek to cheek 😭

>>2699687
lmfao??? I'm willing to bet S.Korea is further right and more pro-US than Japan is on average.
And I love the NPA as much as the next guy but lets not pretend anything about what kind of work they have ahead of them.
I mean, this author basically sees China as the vanguard of the global south, the model for the rest of humanity, and yet says most Filipinos are aligned with this movement??? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us???

>>2697583
you hear what op said far more often from commonplace liberals but its pretty funny how disconnected from reality you are that your first thought is leftypol beefs

>>2697588
but arent dengoids and MLoids kind of libbed out too? whats the difference?

>>2697430
>Seems like he was wrong then.
This. So much this

>>2697252
>>2697272
>>2697274

let's read them:


>To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.

<Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890

>Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

<Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

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>>2698192
>>2697252
You are forgetting that it is mandatory to build forces within a working-class party independent of the bourgeoisie, and the reforms must be radical to intensify the class struggle and not to create complacency. This means that all pensions must be removed from the private sector to be under the control of the workers, outside of profit, as a public right; all costs must be transferred to the capitalists; and any indirect tax on workers' consumption must be abolished.

First, I will state the Marxist position on how to act in an election in bourgeois democracy:

<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.
<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>if i were to lose my petit bourgeois position and join the proletariat id go to the most advanced section of the proletariat
ok duhhhhhhhh??

>>2698783
even if palestinians gave half their country away voluntarily it would have changed nothing, things would have played out the same way:
1. occupation of negev mirrors the way jews were settled in europe (pale of settlement) by russian empire with europeans being resettled to far east (gaza strip in palestinian case) and jews were settled into their homes
it is not a new experience, it's already an established pattern
2. with the leverage the jews have on the world hegemon (actually both of them in case the other one won the cold war) they would have found an excuse their invasive actions in the levant either way

the only way to prevent zionist wars was to settle jews on an island somewhere remote like madagascar
poles are proven right yet again

>>2699079
Have pity on native Madagascar people.

>>2699079
Indians love Israelis. Israel should have been located in India.