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It’s crucial to reject mainstream culture and focus on humanity’s real problems. Leftypol needs you to help conquer the internet with well‐reasoned arguments and to show the far right that they’re completely off base and know nothing about how the web actually works. They’ve already achieved what no one could have imagined, so now we must unite—and dream big. I trust you.

aaaaaaaaaand the larp gets sage'd

>>2303480
>soyjak
>win more debates with rightoids on centralized platforms
>they know nothing about how the web actually works
What we really need to adapt to the new internet is more commies with websites participating in webrings, making text essays and touching grass of both the digital and physical veriety. We still outnumber chvds on that front, but they're slowly catching up.
Web revival is inevitable, not a movement, but the result of the current conditions of the web in motion. Staying on twitter (that will likely get shut own when elon gets deported) rather than learning to make an RSS feed is luddite nonsense.
Starting with debate on the web front is like starting with a community garden on the meat front.

>>2303480
>humanity’s real problems
<online debates
LOL

>>2303925
>>2303914
>>2303495
when ur too autistic to understand swiftian satire

The comrade’s right we’re constantly minimized, erased, atomized. We need to gear up materially and politically. No emancipation without a base.



 

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>>2303922
Yeah, I can't imagine ICE would be confused.
"Hey, a portly Mexican protestor! But wait, he's… in a button down? Aahh I'm going insaane!"

>>2303913
It's not a bad idea. You're not just fighting on the streets, but a propaganda war as well. It's also a tactic that's been used before with Civil Rights marchers in the 60s also wearing their "church clothes," and with so much being made about this being an insurrection by illegal aliens protesting with a bunch of respectable looking American flag wavers could be beneficial. It also makes the authorities look worse when they're beating on "respectable" looking people and that can be a good source of protester propaganda. They should absolutely be masked and not bring any fucking baby strollers though.

Try being less of a jackass.

>>2303949
anon that's retarded, the people who don't support the protests are already racist

>>2303923
nta, and still we are talking about the dnc. the first fucking state to deploy the national guard was Minnesota, ''during the George Floyd protests, under fucking tim walz, who did the request.

ain't nothing better to watch the babylon fall



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tldr: Martov argues that, contrary to Lenin's interpretation, Marx and Engels saw the democratic republic—not soviets—as the essential and specific political form through which the proletariat could achieve and exercise its dictatorship, transforming the state into a truly democratic instrument of class rule.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/martov/1921/xx/decomp.htm

>Psychologically the most characteristic thing about the rush of the “extreme leftists” toward “sovietism” is their desire to jump over the historic inertia of the masses. Dominating their logic, however, is the idea that soviets constitute a new, “finally discovered,” political mode. This, they say, is the specific instrument of the class rule of the proletariat, just as the democratic republic is according to them the specific instrument of the rule of the bourgeoisie.


The Communist Manifesto declared: “We have already seen that the first step in the working-class revolution is raising the proletariat to the position of a ruling class, the conquest of democracy.”

In 1852, in Eighteenth Brumaire, Marx wrote:
Every previous revolution has brought the machinery of State to a greater perfection instead of breaking it up.
On the 12th of April 1871, in a letter to Kugelmann, he formulated his viewpoint on the problem of revolution as follows:
If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire, you will see that I declare the next attempt of the French Revolution to be not merely to hand over, from one set to another, the bureaucratic and military machine, as was the case up to now, but to shatter it. That is precisely the preliminary condition of any real people’s revolution on the Continent. It is exactly this that constitutes the attempt of our heroic Parisian comrades.

It is not for any idle reason that Engels wrote in 1891, in his preface to Civil War in France:
<… the State is nothing more than a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy; and at best an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy whose worse sides the proletariat, just like the Commune, will have at the earliest possible moment to lop off, until such time as aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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democracy is bourgeois you fucking nonce read for once

unfortunately for you Marx clearly understood this very simple concept but since you utter retard(s) have never read him so you'll forever remain ignorant as to anything he ever said

>>2251676
">collective democratic of the working class"
ridiculous

>>2267117
Its the only way for a proletarian class to show their collective will in political and economical matters.

>>2305312
Yeah, that was that 19th century bias showing.

>>2250988
>The proletariat lops off “the worst sides” of the democratic State (for example: the police, permanent army, the bureaucracy as an independent entity, exaggerated centralization, etc.)
another aspect that did not age well. its not possible to do a revolution in the 21st century without a permanent army
marx was wrong in some regards, some of it is understandable due to the historical conditions he lived in



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
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Damn it’s popping off in Cambodia and Thailand. Two chinese simp states fighting.

I have extensive research\compilation of info, done on Gonzaloite blogs bashing Prachanda as a "revisionist". Should I dump the images? I'm literally autistic and delve deep unto obscure viewpoints and the subcultures that built them\have been built around them

>>2304273
No. At least go and do it in /siberia/, it's not really relevant to this thread.

>>2304321
hmph? What's that, EH? "not relevant"—is NEPAL not in sea?



 

This is a hard pill to swallow but if you don't just read Lenin's pamphlets and theoretical works you'd realize he was actually a very ruthless, Machiavellian, and hypocritical person who neither represented the "bolshevik" (majority) of the population, nor even the proletarian minority in the cities. The SRs were much closer to a majority of the country and the Mensheviks (ironically "minority") were much closer to representing a majority of the proletariat. This is why Lenin dissolved the constituent assembly after the October revolution and betrayed his promise to the SRs and Mensheviks of a coalition government despite "supporting" it for years running around with the slogan "All power to the soviets." Which btw he led a war against the soviets while also claiming to represent them. The more history you read and the less theory you read the more you'll understand this. I know it can be hard to see past soviet hagiography, especially when the alternative histories are mostly cold war dogshit that overly slanders Lenin and everyone to the left of the Monarchists. You might say "well he won" but you have to accept he set up a govt. that couldn't even last 80 years. If all his ruthlessness resulted in a party dictatorship that was easily subverted from within by Khruschevite revisionists, then Perestroika revisionists, then fucking Yeltsinites, what was the point?
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noooo not my heckin dead white dude

>>>>2253053

>>"neither represented the "bolshevik" (majority) of the population, nor even the proletarian minority in the cities."

>>"The SRs were much closer to a majority of the country and the Mensheviks (ironically "minority") were much closer to representing a majority of the proletariat."

and? who the fuck should care? communism isn't democratic and everyone already knows that the "vanguard" is a minority within the class of proletarians

>>2267132
>communism isn't democratic
How can you have collectivism without democracy?
Protip You can't

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Glow op

>>2305073
necro bump alert
>>2267132
>communism isn't democratic

>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htm
SURELY LENIN WAS ONLY SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY

SURELY LENIN REJECTED DEMOCRACY AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY SUCH THING AS PROLETARIAN DEMOCRACY



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As we all know BasedEmpanada has recently pointed out that antisemitism is not a problem in the West, and that the real antisemitism these days is aimed at Arabs. I think this concept deserves to be elaborated on.

To say that antisemitism is a thing, and that we should be concerned about it, is on the same level as claiming reverse racism is a thing to be concerned about. Do Jews face systemic oppression? No. To be Jewish is an asset in the West. Jews are effectively White. Not only that, but the Whitest of Whites. The height of Whiteness. Except for Black Jews of course, who face systemic oppression not because they are Jews, but because they are Black.

Every single pundit who is Very Concerned about antisemitism is really just concern trolling. The similarities to fascists who are Very Concerned about anti-White "racism" is palpable. We even have a word for this: philosemitism.

All the classic antisemitic tropes have been recycled against Arabs. This is another point of philosemitic accusations - to pretend that hatred against Arabs is actually hatred against Jews.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Fact of the matter is that Jews are either the most well-off minority in their countries, or enjoyers of ethnic-based privileges at the expense of others in Israel. This whole coddling of Jews as them being marginalized or more progressive than the general population is so fucking stupid. They haven't over-represented in revolutionary organizations for around 70 years at this point. They're probably over-represented in reactionary organizations if anything. Meanwhile the left is all like "ohh the Jews you're marginalized ohh"

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>>2301941
overly simplistic bullshit
leftists trying to jq without understanding the intricacies of the jq is truly pathetic

>>2305136
>bap meme
bro you suck cocks

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>>2305010
>Meanwhile the left is all like "ohh the Jews you're marginalized ohh"
It's the wrong way to look at it, I agree. The plot twist here is that it doesn't matter if the Jews are marginalized. Even if they were, it wouldn't convince the real antisemites, they'll just think that argument is more Jewish manipulation, because antisemites don't view Jews that way. They see Jews as powerful exploiters who are to blame for all kinds of abstract evils; and who control banks, the media, and finance. The antisemitic mob's violence and wrath is believed in by the mob as moral and righteous. That's an unsettling aspect of it.

No way this retard thread has thos many replies.



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THE ISRAELIS HAVE ARRIVED

Needs a new thread

Two drones hovering over the Madleen
The crew on board the Madleen is now taking cover as two drones are hovering overhead, says UN special rapporteur Francesca Albanese.

“Two drones over the Madleen. They say they are quadcopters, the dangerous ones. TEAM IS TAKING COVER,” Albanese wrote on X.


>>2301655
>Times of Israel source
Wouldn't be surprised if this has Mossad/US fingerprints over it. If Al Qaeda actually gave a fuck about resistance against the Zionist entity, they'd make peace w/, and support Ansar Allah's war effort. Interesting how there isn't any calls for attacks on Israel itself, and at least from the article, no calls on Al Jolani in Syria, a former Al Qaeda leader, to support Palestine and end persecution of Palestine diaspora. It's calls only for lone wolf attacks, the least effective resistance tactic of which police states are already itching for reasons to increase suppression.



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>>2302669
Go get a job Shmuley, its embarrassing that you do it for free.

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>>2302663
People's War on Negroes (Stoners)
Amen my Christian Nationalist Socialist brother

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After becoming glowpilled, I now believe all drugs should be legalized and free. The CIA used the Contras to fill up America with crack. The CIA smuggled opium to America from Southeast Asia and the Vietnam War happened because America was about to lose the drug traffic in Indochina. The Cambodian war happened because Sihanouk wouldn't let the CIA into the country, in response the US couped him to gain control of drug trade and installed the Khmer Republic (which was overthrown by Pol Pot). Much of Indochina's opium trade went to the CIA-sponsored Corsican mafia and then to US and New York to be controlled by Italian and jewish mobsters. The entire police department of New York was owned by the mafia. CIA funded and protected the Mujahideen and Afghan druglords against the Soviets so that they would flood the USSR with heroin. Later the Taliban smashed opium and America not suspicious at all invades Afghanistan right after 9/11. Magically Afghanistan's opium production skyrocketed after the invasion even though it was supposed to end. The War on Drugs is a counterrevolution. Protracted people's war against the war on drugs. Death to the War on drugs!

get laid holy fucking shit

>>2302610
>THIS IS NOT A SHITPOST



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Why is 90% of leftist discussion now just geopolitics?

>muh Israel

>muh Russia
>muh NATO
>muh China

Literally no one seems to actually give a fuck about communism anymore.

Let's take, for example, fucking East Timor or Pakistan or wherever. How the FUCK are we gonna have a communist revolution in these countries?

And why is it now commonly accepted that revolution is impossible in first world countries?? "We have tried nothing and we've run out of ideas"

Leftist discussion isn't even entertaining nowadays. I stg the level of humor has decreased by a massive amount, probably due to too much inclusion of women and minorities (that was a joke btw)

How do we make communism great again?
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>>2298470
>OPEC
Sorry I should say OPEC+ to be heckin inclusive so people don't think I'm russophobic

>>2298417
We need people who are likable and a little crazy but definitely not a loser to promote communism

Just dont post here seriously man. Post for fun. Otherwise just leave this site

>>2298417
Because communism is a larp and always has been and "the left" is just fascism but an anti-racist and gay version of it. The only thing more reactionary than a right-winger is a leftist.

>>2298417
Too little theoretical discussion besides cybercom and political economy threads.



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I know there's a literal shop thread pinned (based), but generally entrepreneurship is super shunned even though it's the fastest way to get rich and have at least some degree of influence in this world. You're using crypto to escape bank cabals? Bad, bad crypto bro. Trying to 10x your productivity with AI? Very very bad AI bro, pick up the pen and keep your head low while corporations rabidly pour money into AI research without any threat of getting cancelled.

Perhaps it's wrong to make these assumptions about leftypol and culture there is different, but mainstream left is just obsessed with nerfing itself and putting down its members like a crab bucket.
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>>2291522
>youll get raped by AI
There's still a market for hand-drawn art.

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As for me, I personally am not an "entrepeneur" because, in my country, being a labor aristocrat is much safer than being a petit bourgeois. Petit bourgeois culture here is partaking in a bunch of useless ponzi scheme startups and, if you fail (and failing is very easy, the norm even), you're back to square one with no practical skills, no education etc. Meanwhile, a labor aristocrat will still have solid technical education and work experience after losing their job, so getting your income back after a mishap is much more manageable.
As a member of the middle class, I've seen a ton of people trying to become "entrepeneurs" (small business owners) and they always crumble, having that period of time as a large waste of life. No thanks.

>>2290360
How did Engels become a communist then given that he was from the bourgeois class?

>>2303628
Severe alienation probably

>>2303628
It's not impossible for someone with bourgeois class interests to have a proletarian conscious, but it's rare, and heavily disincentivised by class interests. Marxists like to say that human nature doesn't exist, and on a metaphysical level, they're absolutely correct. But I don't think it's wrong to say that, as a rule, if you place different people in the same material conditions, most of them are going to act pretty similarly. The more you benefit from the system as it stands, the less likely you're going to be to want to change it. I can say personally that I didn't fully appreciate the class struggle until I was a part of it. My adult life has consisted to me bouncing back and forth between prole and lumpen, and it's made me come to realize both how much I stand to lose at any given moment, and that the bourgeois controls your life at a much deeper, much more insidious level than you think it does. When I was a kid, I took for granted that a job and a home were things you automatically got as an adult. Now that I am an adult, I know better.

In my experience, most bourgeois who participate in revolutionary activity are either petite bourgeois who want small-business friendly demsocism, or cynical opertunists hopeing to escape into the vangard and become heads of state capitalism.

I'm not saying that entrepreneurial activities are always bad, but if you can start anything beyond a side hustle, your class interests are un-proletarian.

>>2303773
From what I understand, he was just an unusually empathetic man.



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