/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2452761
Yeah that's the type of philosophical bullshit I mentioned. Of course communism is a state of affairs to be established, an ideal of which reality will have to adjust itself:

End commodity production (end bourgeois property, end wage labor, production for exchange, etc.)

End classes.

End the bourgeois family.

End the distinction between town and country.

End religion.

End the state and replace it with an "administration of things"

Lower stage socialism with labor vouchers used to take from the common stock the equivalent of what you put in.

Marx is a thinker like anything else, the human mind thinks in abstracts which is both a blessing and a curse regardless of how educated the person is.
Which is a problem.
There are no terms used to describe how devotional to Marx many "Marxists" are.
Fucking Hitler read Marx you know that right? Two distinct sources state he did, and obviously he did, it was the 1900s, if he wanted to get political he would have to do so eventually, and he almost always went into a autistic rage at "Bolshevism" more than he name dropped Marx, as well as appropriated his terminology but most people would never say he was a Marxist.
Marx himself was most critical of all other socialists. to the point where I don't think he would have ever stopped finding anything wrong with the current state of affairs.
In this however, almost 80% of what modern socialists espouse is actually something he'd call them fucking retards for. There was a book posted here, the title was so abstract I can't even recall it, but I read it, it had citations down to the letters he shared when I read it, and he shit talked every single concept trying to make socialism feasible in his time. You can argue he was trying to tweak it but chances are he was against a lot of those things and more in line with doing away with it for a more decentralized, cashless communism. It's a whole thing.
Third and in relation to the above, there is a giant trove of shit Engels and Marx both said that just would not fly today, it's either going to be seen as insane, reactionary even, or just outdated in relation to places that no longer exist, knowledge that was just wrong, and the more we figure out to be fact with new scientific measurements the more it all comes into question. How come even the most hardcore orthodox Marxists kneel and say "Yeah Marx was wrong and a fucking retard actually."
So what makes a Marxist?
The answer is nothing, we have a tendency to group people together, and before you know it people think they're part of the gang, and that all it takes is agreeing with dialectics or class struggle to be Marxian, or believe in a DOTP.
If Marx came back today he would shit himself and throw a tantrum going "No! I'm the only Marxist! You fucking uyghurs have besmirched my name! Me I am the only one! How dare you turn my works into this!"
He would then be lynched by a angry mob and decapitated in public, his head now used as a football by them would be smiling as deathPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

> "I'm a Marxist" isn't a phrase that tells anyone much of anything
<"The modern synthesis was the early 20th-century synthesis of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and Gregor Mendel's ideas on heredity into a joint mathematical framework. Julian Huxley coined the term in his 1942 book, Evolution: The Modern Synthesis. The synthesis combined the ideas of natural selection, Mendelian genetics, and population genetics. It also related the broad-scale macroevolution seen by palaeontologists to the small-scale microevolution of local populations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_synthesis_(20th_century)
Neo-Marxism would presumably also be a synthesis of some kind that collects a bunch of diverse fields into one…but the thing is, its all still Darwinian natural selection. Marxism is all still a historical materialist critique of liberal political economy that obscures class war as the root of historical development

>>2452754
>actually a useful older word that means system of belief
<Red Scare podcast neoliberals: "I'm not like those other girls, I'm non-ideological"
the liberal idealist conception of "Ideology" (VS the Marxian Althussy view of the 'ideological state apparatus' as you mentioned) is only a useful word for shit eating radlibs to pretend like they are just rational and objective scientists who magically know the truth

>>2452058
That just means you dont understand Marx's reasoning and way of conceiving of things

>>2451433
>In common usage, it describes a number of largely distinct ideologies and forms of political and economic organization that are connected by genealogy and geopolitics.
sorta yeah sorta not really. ML is just marxism applied to soviet conditions. MZT is applied to chinese conditions. HCMT to vietnam, juche to korean, foco to cuba. that last one even makes an example of itself by not working applied to different conditions. thats why marx oriented ancoms and demsuccs still get critical support when they arent atagonizing communists. its possible they know their conditions and they might apply. the proof is in practice not in theory, and thats marxism.

>>2452043
Probably should be putting that shit into american water supplies at this point

Wrong
You think nukes will stop us/them?
We will simply get back up and do it again.
The American Spirit is unbreakable. It may be under another name, a different continent altogether but the great Burger in the Sky will appear again.

at this point nuclear war would be better than slow climate collapse

Putin should gib Salla 2 Suomi

>>2452904
Salsa status, mayo monkey?

>>2450525
>No, making the 9999th trot split of the month won't help.
"Trotsky split from worthless failed programs" not the argument you think it is!

>>2450490
>neoliberalism
what other economic structures can we use besides "entrepreneurial brand building for individuals competing in the market"?

>>2450543
> Amerikkkan trade union labor aristokkkrats are the real revolutionaries
A McDonald's worker is more revolutionary than AFL-CIA shit.

>>2451401
>shit nobody said
can you talk like a normal person or is 4chan memes the only way you mush-for-brains can manage

>>2450490
ACP is the same

>>2452938
>Communists… well, they usually want to meddle everywhere, right?
Not as much as you think actually. One of the problematic things about communism in the 20th century is that you had a lot of communist parties basically follow the USSR, but the Soviet government more and more subordinated communist ideology to the interests of Soviet realpolitik over time (this gets controversial though and there are all kinds of debates about this), which more or less precluded revolution in Western capitalist countries because that would mean World War III. I mean a communist revolution in France for example. Now that's a different matter in Angola.

This could also be disastrous at times like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which whatever you say about it as a pragmatic maneuver for the Soviet Union, did put Soviet-aligned communists in an awkward position because they were now under pressure to adopt a non-interventionist line for two years until Germany invaded the Soviet Union. Then communists were full win-the-war types. Also the most impactful communist victory after that was in China where the communist party there broke with Soviet direction in the 1930s. Also this might surprise you, but Soviet aid to the Chinese communists was much less than you might think. The U.S. provided a lot more aid to Chiang Kai Shek's forces than Stalin did for the communists.

>Do communists and libertarians agree on foreign policy? […] But then again, some leftist types claim to oppose imperialism too. So, do they line up sometimes, or is that just random? I honestly don’t know.
The word "policy" is too narrow here because it implies something the U.S. government (say) should adopt within the framework of the existing system. On the left, that's more of a social-democratic approach like Bernie Sanders or AOC. Like "we should reduce foreign interventions" because "that's harmful." And the solution is to change the policies. There are also libertarians who say things like that. Communists want to change things in a more fundamental and systemic way. The fact that U.S. engages in military adventures around the world is not an accident or a mistaken policy but something embedded in how the whole capitalist economic-technological system and its reinforcing social structure operates. It's mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

This is a more communist way of thinking about war:
https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858868480/

>>2452938
>do communists and libertarian agree on foreign policy.
This argument falls apart when you realise Libertarians collectively have a hard on for pinochet- the far right wing anti-communist dictator who was installed into power by the Chicago Boys/ CIA.

>>2453183
*Fascist

>>2452938
>communist bourgeois policy
see how stupid you sound?

Nearly 1,000 'Workers Over Billionaires' Protests Planned Across US for Labor Day
Unions and progressive organizations are planning nearly 1,000 "Workers Over Billionaires" demonstrations across the United States this Labor Day to protest President Donald Trump's assault on workers' rights. The day of national action has been organized by the May Day Strong coalition, which includes labor organizations like the AFL-CIO, American Federation of Teachers, and National Union of Healthcare Workers, as well as advocacy groups like Americans for Tax Fairness, Indivisible, Our Revolution, and Public Citizen.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/workers-over-billionaires-protests

Detainees report alleged uprising at ‘Alligator Alcatraz’: ‘A lot of people have bled’
The allegations, made by at least three detainees in phone calls to Miami’s Spanish language news channel Noticias 23, come as authorities race to empty the camp in compliance with a judge’s order to close the remote tented camp in the Everglades wetlands. The incident took place after several migrants held there began shouting for “freedom” after one received news a relative had died, according to the outlet. A team of guards then rushed in and began beating individuals indiscriminately with batons, and fired teargas at them, the detainees said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/29/alligator-alcatraz-uprising-florida-immigration

'AI Death Panels': Trump Pilot Program Seeks to Bring 'Very Worst' For-Profit Insurance Practices to Medicare
As reported by The New York Times on Thursday, the pilot program will hire private firms to deploy AI to make what are known as "prior authorization" decisions regarding whether Medicare should pay for certain procedures, including spinal surgeries and steroid injections. The program is set to run first in Arizona, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Washington.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-ai-medicare-program

Massive CDC walkout eruptPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Daughter of the Revolution
While the famous and infamous inevitably attract admiration and attention in abundance, a very particular strain of curiosity is reserved also for their offspring. Children of the Revolution is a well-received 2011 documentary by Shane O’Sullivan about two women whose mothers were leading figures in radical leftist politics in, respectively, West Germany and Japan: Bettina Röhl, daughter of the Rote Armee Fraktion’s Ulrike Meinhof, and Shigenobu May, daughter of the Japanese Red Army’s Shigenobu Fusako. O’Sullivan’s film struggles under the sheer weight of the historical legacy and complexities of the movements in West Germany and Japan, but makes the savvy decision to focus on the personal reflections of the two women, whose lives were indelibly shaped by the ideologies and underground activities of their mothers. Though I’m His Daughter is a recently released documentary by Nagatsuka Yō about one of the daughters of Asahara Shōkō, the infamous leader of the Aum Shinrikyō doomsday cult who was executed in 2018 for orchestrating fatal sarin gas attacks in Tokyo and Matsumoto in the mid-1990s. The daughter, Matsumoto Rika, has faced discrimination and stigma due to her father and her putative status as heir to Aum’s successor group, which is closely monitored by police (officers raided the home of Asahara’s widow and son earlier this year, finding huge sums of cash allegedly donated to them by the group). Matsumoto was denied admission to a university due to her family background and had to fight a legal battle to win the right to attend.
https://throwoutyourbooks.wordpress.com/2025/07/23/daughter-of-the-revolution/

Elections in Bolivia: tectonic shifts in the political landscape
For the first time in 20 years, Bolivia’s Movement for Socialism (MAS) has lost the presidential election – and it was not just any defeat. Having won almost 55 percent of the votes in 2020, MAS now barely reached 3 percent. In second place, with 26.7 percent of the valid votes, is Tuto Quiroga, a right-wing establishment candidate with ties to former dictator Hugo Banzer. Victory – with more than 30 percent of the vote – went to Christian Democratic candidate Rodrigo Paz and his vice president, former police officer Edman Lara, who has gained prominencePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thanks News Anon

Thanks bna ilu <3

She is me on every level except physical
But I have no expectation of westerners whatsoever
Everything is going swimmingly actually.

If socialism will happen when things go to hell then how come every hellhole doesn't burst into socialism? Instead people suffer and keep their heads down. I suppose there's that one theory about how it's actually frustrated expectations of a rising society that causes revolution, but I dunno man.

>>2452499
Revolutions happen when the old cannot rule in the old way, and the new is not ripe enough to rule in a new way. The time of le monsters

>>2452499
exactly. normies are so demobilized at this point that porky could write off every one of their rights and they would sit and do nothing about it. actual cuck behaviour.
techbros actually killed humanity

>>2447046
>3:55
>he saw two familiar symbols, a hammer and a sickle
that wasn't the symbol for communism until around the october revolution

>>2448350
thank you for clarifying that the story about time travelling marx isnt accurate

>>2448350
The red flag was definitely a symbol though. Maybe he found familiarity in the simplicity of the symbols paired with the red banners.

>>2448350
>two familiar symbols
Familiar, not certain. \_(ツ)_/

>>2452620
X is None ∴ because if it weren't None ∴ it would cease to be X, this is the basis for this thought experiment.

∀ ∈ X, X = ∅ ∴ X

>>2452628
I call this the NEH formula. Or the "Nothing Ever Happens" formula.

Need new thread

>>2452537
on it

>>2452540
Ty

>>2452532
Every gun produced commercially in the US has a serial number + identification markings on the inside of the barrel that make it possible to trace bullets fired out of it to the exact gun used.

The whole point of 3d printed guns is that they can avoid these regulations.

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>>2452405
Thus after gaining traction the usurping negators can gain ground by forcing the reaction of metaphysical superstition to abandon its symbols, altars, structure. This is not the act of destroying sacred ground, it is the ransacking of "sacredness" in the bold claim that the ransacking created it - that it belongs to who ransacked and further that it was made by them in the first place.
Deleuze & Guattari spoke of "deterritorialization" and yet never sought to instrumentalize it.
Not only that, but this is not exclusive to religious nonsense, I commend that the style of reactionaries and their beauty be usurped and may the next Red Army be in Hugo Boss, swastikas and any symbol that looks appealing - with a new attributed meaning put onto it. All of symbology, art and such superficial visuals that drive "holiness" be taken to the claim that communism drove world history's progress as the real movement against the present state of things - to attribute itself as the force of change, so that anyone who thinks of "change" immediately comes to see it as synonymous to communism. All of history and its processes of change can be told to be a product of the real movement against the present state of things (of communism) which ultimately lead them onto change and all barbaric acts to simply have been a "play" of no consequence to the present people - no deaths and suffering of the past need any recognition other than to be retold as a play - an act or play-pretend thing.

>>2452414
I need somebody to start an argument against this thread for it to be demonstrated, this is also the premise that teleology wins over the explanation of origin since history can really be falsified and modified simply by popular perception and records - as to have a broader effect.

>>2452417
I have no argument against this

If you want something to bounce off, here's a thought theology only really makes sense if you interpret it through a Marxist lens

>>2452420
Interpretation is not assertive, its an analysis of an apparent view we've already come to the first place - trying to point out the faulty structure (i.e. contradictions) which still persist in spite of the analysis rather than being able to push them over by asserting "we made it".

>>2452423
When we say "we made this" (even if we haven't truly made it) we lay more nonsense on top of the already nonsensical character of the structure, this is to me an apparent way to cause it to collapse or at the very least give ground.