/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2647263
you are talking like a woman

>social suicide

a real man doesn't care about society, a real man is mean mugging all the time lifting weights and getting pussy, smoking cigarettes, listening to motorhead, not having ANY fun at all, looking at paint dry, eating nails

you will never be a REAL man (tm)

Being fat is not manly, Haz

>>2647603
>lifting weights
true. working out with your bros, wiping the sweat off their chiseled chests and jokingly comparing dick sizes in the showers is as manly as it gets
>getting pussy
real men don't waste time with women. that's kinda gay

>>2644368
The Wehrmacht soldier, or Tyler from Dead Domain's interview "RETVRN"?

peak manhood is not caring what defines manhood and what isn't and just being comfortable and happy as a man

>>2641453
>Canada would be an actual probable nation for a western revolution
Nope. Zero class consciousness will result only in fascism in these countries during crisis.

>>2642389
In cities class consciousness is WAY more common then in the US, even boomers have it.

>>2641453
Unfortunately our future is inevitably tied to the US. We could never have a revolution on our own without one south of the border since it would be swiftly crushed.
>>2641864
I'd be down for the Pearson Pennant tbqh, maybe with the white and red reversed.

>>2642932
Stop being a doomer
If the US invaded canada the US would starve itself from water and oil and food

>>2641520
>>2642932
If backwards middle eastern countries are able to resist US imperialism, Canada most certainly can.

>>2641870
>historically progressive
Stop throwing around terminology at random.

>>2647832
In the next 10 years at this rate

>>2647871
theory is just vibes but more verbose

>Man is training crow to attack maga hats
Crows vs Vultures.

American: Collectivism le bad
Trve?

>>2647525
I guarantee that hardcore MAGA will find ways to believe that trump is not dead.

>A rotten spirit is making itself felt in our party in Germany, not so much among the masses as among the leaders
~ Karl Marx, 1877

Revisionism was a reformist trend in the left that came around the Second International after Friedrich Engels' death. It was founded by Eduard Bernstein, who was a German marxist theoretician of the SPD influenced by Fabianism. Revisionism called for a revision of Marxism on the basis that it had become outdated, even obsolete. However, this revision soon turned into straight up abandoning chunks of Marxism and replacing them with liberal ideas. Bernstein tried to replace the materialism of Marxism with neo-kantian philosophy, challenged the Labor theory of value and the dictatorship of the proletariat, argued that capitalism's crises/contradictions were stopping, that capital was becoming less concentrated and more democratized. That the real task of the working class was to win reforms in the capitalist system: The final goal of socialism meant nothing, the day to day movement everything. Capitalism wasn't a reactionary doomed system but was evolving into socialism. Kautsky called it the "Abandonment of the fundamental principles and conceptions of scientific socialism". Lenin called it, "A trend hostile to Marxism within Marxism itself".
>Bernstein would have nothing to do with the idea of revolution or insurrection. The term, "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" was to him an unfortunate phrase which must be dropped. The Socialist movement should not attack the Liberals too severely. Indeed, Socialism was but the legitimate heir of Liberalism and continued the tasks of that great historical movement. Liberalism was no obstacle to Socialism, but a good starting point. "There is actually no real liberal thought which does not also belong to the elements of the ideas of socialism." Socialism could be called "organizing Liberalism" because Socialism, too, freed the individual who must be the basic starting point
https://www.marxists.org/archive/weisbord/conquest20.htm

Several figures on the left denounced revisionism, like Kautsky, Bebel, Lenin, Rosa, De Leon and Jaures. Revisionism was officially repudiated by the Second International at the 1903 congress of Dresden and 1904 Amsterdam:
>The National Convention oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2639941
the ICL demarcation line between Marxism and Revisionism is this:
"The current demarcation line between Marxism and revisionism consists
in: 1) acknowledging or not acknowledging Maoism as the third, new and
higher stage of Marxism and the necessity to combat revisionism and all
opportunism; 2) acknowledging or not acknowledging the omnipotence of
revolutionary violence in order to make revolution in each one’s own coun-
try; 3) acknowledging or not acknowledging the necessity to demolish the
old state apparatus and replace the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with the
dictatorship of the proletariat; 4) acknowledging or not acknowledging the
necessity of the revolutionary party of the proletariat. 5) acknowledging or
not acknowledging the necessity of proletarian internationalism."

>>2640168
Lmao was in the middle of typing this when I saw your reply

>>2643980
My frustration with the ICL definition, as with much of their writing, is that many of their assertions about what these basic principles even are, stemming from the PCP, introduce confusion and (to me) speak to an underdeveloped line. There are certainly worse definitions out there, but I wouldn't use this to explain anti-revisionism to the uninitiated, as you are here.

For example:
>acknowledging or not acknowledging the omnipotence of revolutionary violence in order to make revolution in each one’s own country
and
>acknowledging or not acknowledging the necessity of proletarian internationalism
I agree with these two points, but how exactly does the ICL assess these "acknowledgements" in practice? Does proletarian internationalism in the present period necessarily entail supporting the reconstitution of the Comintern? Does acknowledging the omnipotence of revolutionary violence mean adopting Protracted People's War as a universal strategy for revolution, or will the broader view of People's War expressed by RIM and MIM suffice? Additionally, while I must emphasize that I don't disagree with any of this in principle, my experience with ICL-aligned folks IRL has been one of constant frustration and inability to unite despite that. In the US, at least, the ICL appears to be reproducing the same petty bourgeois, white chauvinist errors of the old RCP, and so I would posit that these points are in some way insufficient to fully demarcating revisionism and anti-revisionism in a universal way.

>>2643980
How about you revise deez nuts

>>2646310
>considered the US to be the true achievement of communism, given that everyone was more or less opulent there according to him.
So a typical westoid imperialist-socialist, then.
Just enslave the whole world bro and you can have socialism for the bourgeoisie (WOW, YOU DON'T SAY?)

peak soccdem thought

>>2647739
I think the statement was provocative but he did have a somewhat weird relation to Marxist thought.

>>2647744
Socialism is socialized production + socialized, surplus, mere sozialized surplus isn't socialism

So it doesn't work either way

>>2646749
Anon you are misinterpreting Fukuyama either deliberately or accidentally. Fukuyama did not say that desire for recognition is detached from material relations; what he argued is that *once* material deprivation is fulfilled thymos will become the centrepoint of conflict. He did not discount the fact that a lot of struggle for dignity is also accompanied by struggle for economic rights and social; where he disagreed with is with the traditional (vulgar) Marxist distinction that class antagonism is the sole origin and motivation of desire for recognition, something which Marx himself denied! (And you cannot seriously believe in this, and then believe in imperialism at the same time. How do you explain struggle over dignity in the imperial core then? Especially at the interclass level? ). This also disguises a crucial fact; left unsaid in this disagreement is that you agreed with Fukuyama's framing of recognition between individuals, you simply believe that the Fukuyamaist conception of Zootopia-like legal recognition is hollow liberalism. Dugin would agree, but for a completely different reason

>>2647793
>what he argued is that *once* material deprivation is fulfilled thymos will become the centrepoint of conflict.
I know anon, this is why we were talking about Kojève, and not Fukuyama. For Kojève, recognition doesn't come "after" the material satisfaction, it exists all the time and is a core part of human life (in fact, it defines it)
Nonetheless, this is also a poor argument by Fukuyama. Derrida in Spectres of Marx talks about this : saying that market capitalism is the end of times because it satisfies material needs whilst millions die of hunger is a bit silly.

>thymos will become the centrepoint of conflict
That's also what Fukuyama gets wrong. Thymos isn't a thing per-se, it's something that exists as a medium to signify "this is injust/this is undignified" in relation to some structure or object. Thymos is inherently tied to the institutions. Ergo, if the material structure changes, then so does the recognition desires. I was actually surprised that this was the core of Fukuyama's argument, because it doesn't really contradicts marxism but rather ignores it. It ignores that material structure changes, which is the fundamental reason why people also change consciously (and thus have all kinds of perpetually different thymotic desires).

>where he disagreed with is with the traditional (vulgar) […]
I haven't read his book in a while but isn't his claim that marx was an economism that only focused on the material satisfaction ?

>left unsaid in this disagreement is that you agreed with Fukuyama's framing of recognition between individuals
I do, and I think that most marxists implicitly do. What causes the revolution isn't a necessary element, but the contingent expression of unsatisfied "thymos" and material conditions (which really englobe thymos anyway).

What the fuckstick am I reading?

I guarantee Kyle is into some extreme freaky femdom stuff, just look at him and look at the woman he married.

trans people were better off without internet access

>>2647634
Kinda true, most bullying comes from the internet

>>2615685
You deserve to lose your job and access to a wage and become de-proleterianized into a potentially homeless person or suffer from malnutrition? I think you should reconsider your choice of words here. Sure, it's more so that the worker deserves to not have to do the labor anymore, not that they "deserve to get replaced by a machine because there is nothing special about them". Sounds like you are speaking like a capitalist apologist, this is not a capitalist board.

>>2615684
>LLMs are replacing "real workers"
such as……………………………………………?

>>2615687
the petit bourgeois dont become homeless when losing their class status, they become proletarians lmao

>>2614504
there wasn't a recession in 2024. The economy was mostly fully recovered from covid

>>2556906
The reason they havent started mass automating white collar jobs yet is because it just hasnt gotten to the stage of being able to do that. Most company's proprietary AI copiolts are basically glorified email writers. I do hope it gets to that level though. the worst of the great depression had 20%+ unemployment rate. 20% of the population being structurally unemployed for an extended period of time today would be cause for mass unrest.

"AI" is a marketing scam

>>2642446
Maybe we could try with an /eurasiapol/

>>2643235
never gona happen while Germanoids are in charge

It has begun.

>>2645863
Then let Germanoids openly defy EU citizens will to support genocide
Signing this and telling other people literally cannot hurt our cause, it only benefits us

>>2646488
EU defense agency soon

>>2646898
pill that gives you ptsd

>>2646930
despite what you may state as your ancestry you're also American too at the end of the day

>>2646898
Imagine earning a living entirely by hawking pills labeled shit like "Make Your Body Great Again" that's just a proprietary mix of Kratom and Viagra.

>>2647000
nothing beats the trump phone and the freedom phone.
made in China.

>>2646910
Oh shit, it's joever for AmeriKKKa

>>2646164
You just contradicted yourself

>>2646101
IRGC never said 3000 dead. Where is your source

>>2646230
His source is NYT, unironically

>>2646051
Jfl “four 9/11s”