/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2672394
>lennon
Also, you need industrial socialism to advance. Being stuck in agro is not a good thing. The direction of history is that you build industrial society with agro surplus and peasants stop being peasants. Same goes for proles. The goal of communism is to get out of "peasantry" and "proles" and become free people.

There is no Mao's 'agricultural socialism'.
Mao HAD to rely heavily on peasants because they were the overwhelming majority of Chinese people at that time.
Mao was not a vulgar stagist à la Kautsky. He was not going to sit and wait a million years until there is a big enough proletariat.

Once the PRC was established, he did everything to industrialise and thus proletarianize. It did not all work out perfectly, but he never enshrined agriculture and peasantry to the detriment of industry and proletariat. Never.

>>2672435
Came here to say essentially this. China industrialized hugely under Mao. Anyone claiming that China was simply "agricultural" during his era is being willfully dishonest.

Why aren't people going harder like they did in MN in 2020?
Is it because crackers are the ones motivated here and they have dick all revolutionary potential?

>>2672024
The DemocRATS had controlled opposition in 2020

>>2672038
Walz was the gov then wasn't he?
They were still there. Not sure what the connection is between The People burning a police station and a bourgeois party.

>>2665222
Oxygen is good for you, without it, we would suffocate.

>>2672210
It's impossible to really know. RIM is gone and the Haitian communist movement has been principally underground since before Duvalier. New Communist Party of Haiti (Marxist-Leninist) had a website that's technically still up, but they seem to have lost control of it and a lot of their articles have been replaced by scam gambling bullshit.

My bet is that these groups or successors to them do still exist in Haiti outside of Port-au-Prince. Historically communists have conducted their best work outside the capital. Port-au-Prince's extractive relationship with the rest of the country has historically colored what politics dominate there, and today the vestiges of the old neo-colonial state and the "gangs" (paramilitaries) dominate that niche.

>>2672287
That makes sense, everything I’ve heard about the civil war since the death of Moise (still incomprehensible to me) is basically limited to Port Au Prince and the rest of the country is more or less functioning as usual

>>2672111
It's true that Haiti had a revolutionnary movement that started before the French Revolution, so yes, in that view, saying that it's merely an extension is generally ignorant of historical reality.
But it's also obvious that the form the revolution took was inspired by the French one. For exemple the revolutionnaries argued in favor of equality between all men based on the Declaration of the right of Men and Citizen, that the national assembly has expicitly rejected for Black Haitians.
So, when they rebelled in 1791, the Haitians were not asking for independance, but an end to slavery. They supported Louis XVI, who they viewed a moderating force against the relatively harsher local governor. This believed this because Louis XVI has signed on and accepted many of the revolutionnary demands, including the creation of a constitutional monarchy, he was viewed at the time as a progressive monarch. (He was secrely conspiring to bring back absolutism, but Haitians didn't know this) This meant that they were backing the revolution, not the reaction. While when Louis XVI got his head chopped up, the white owners sided with the British against the Republic. Louverture did help the Spanish at the time tho, as he yet didn't trust the French.
But once the revolution in France radicalised further, with Robespierre and the Jacobins in charge, they abolished slavery and Louveture realigned himself with France and refused to proclaim the independance of Haiti, instead seeing himself as a french citizen. It's only in 1801, so at the start of Napoleon's consulate, that he declared independance.
Even then, he justified himself using the univerallist principles of the French revolution, and he obviously turned against it when it was going back against those ideals.
I don't get why you're quoting CLR James at me, his most famous book is called "The Black Jacobins" And if anything he criticises the race war representation of the conflict, and puts the revolution back in the context of the Atlantic and French revolutions. If anything, he argues that the Haitians better represented those ideals then the French did. Not that these ideals came from Haiti.

>>2672222
How am I moving the goalposts by pointing out the objective fact that if an organic slave revolt ever succeeds, the slaves first priority is to flee? That makes perfect sense from their perspective, you and I would do the exact same thing. The Zanj was a radically different conflict that arose during a period of extreme internal strife in the Abbasid caliphate. The revolt, like Hati was not started by the slaves themselves but by an outsider, in the Zanj's case, a popular religious preacher who took advantage of the anarchy. He and his followers attacked individual slave estates, freed the slaves, and presented themselves as religious liberators, gradually freeing most of the slaves from the marshes and forming an Army. The Zanj revolt was one of many crises the Abbasids were dealing with, including the loss of Egypt to the Tulunids and Kharijite and Shia uprisings. The caliphate was fighting on every front. Only when al-Muwaffaq stabilized the army and re-centralized authority in the 880s did the Abbasids finally crush the rebellion.

>>2672392
And you’re right, I haven’t read much about Haiti. My only frame of reference is this military history book, and I would argue that it’s more relevant than 99% of post-colonial literature.

>Polish
>Unity
>Faith
>Strength
>Direction

You may choose only one (except polish)

Humanity have no races.

>>2668116
emigration is immigration from the other perspective, and historically AES nations used "strong borders" to both keep people in and to keep people out. The US spends billionson arming a bunch of thugs who rape women and smuggle guns/drugs and call that "strong borders" even though it doesn't actually work in practice and most cases of illegal immigration are people flying over and then overstaying a visa.

>>2671540
Don't know, but based on context I would wager "An Exporter of Socialism".

The US is ASS

>>2671540
A stupid concept western liberals (usually very white) came up with to be able to cheer for neoliberal shitholes in the third world in the inter-imperial geopolitic spectacle

>>2671789
Yes, I am indeed making fun of muh AES liberals by this thread, because the concept is utterly stupid, you are a genius

>>2671910
Name the last time an AES shithole did anything to help the international proletariat (Mexican workers in this case)

You won't.

>>2638230
>Why do babby socialists think elections mean anything?
because you need to use the bourgeoise tools against them.
the bourgeoise makes weapons, will you not use weapons to put their heads on a pitchfork?

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>>2636851
Only #9

>>2636851

i'm not in the Poll but neither is glowonimous

>>2671651
Sorry, I'm a bit confused… Elon Musk is a communist leader?

>>2671833
>t. Chomsky
>>2671778
you may not like it ultra but revolutionary kampuchea was aea

AES
>but muh CIA
Stalin received billions from the US so what

>>2671651
Social fascist invasion of khmer republic was imperialist. Pol Pot did nothing wrong.
>>2671830
That doesnt mean Angkar was not Communist. All freedom loving peoples joined arms to fight victoriously against the imperialist social fascist empire.

>>2671613
Kautsky opposed the war and was part of the uspd tough

>>2671618
I'm kidding in reference to his later writings about the bolshevik revolution

>>2671603
Didn't Germany let Lenin go to Russia
The Central Powers were kinda good

>>2671602
>You would've supported the Third Reich and Imperial Japan.
Maybe I'd be the village rapist back in the day. Anything is possible. But I don't support them now or wouldn't with the hindsight.

>>2670327
So neoliberal imperialists it is then

>>2671706
>Burgers here have told me using this situation as a chance to expose burger workers to Marx would be a mistake, they want to "meet people where they are at" instead of correcting the liberal dogma, if
1 tailist retard burger told you that. maybe you can just ignore them. also it's entirely possible to tell people things that come from Marx without telling them it's from Marx. It happens all the time.

>>2671691
found it lol

>>2671711
>1 tailist retard burger told you that. maybe you can just ignore them.
there is an entire "communist" party writing articles dickriding tim walz right now, so I think its more than 1, sadly
>also it's entirely possible to tell people things that come from Marx without telling them it's from Marx. It happens all the time.
thats true, not every pamphlet needs the name of the man on it, but hiding it forever is just silly, how can you expect "the people" to trust your org if you are not open about what you stand for from the start?

>>2671725
>there is an entire "communist" party writing articles dickriding tim walz right now, so I think its more than 1, sadly
well what are you going to DO about it

>>2671711
>also it's entirely possible to tell people things that come from Marx without telling them it's from Marx. It happens all the time.
Hi I'm the "tailist retard burger" that said to meet people where they're at. I literally told them to do this and they said that's just "lying to the proletariat." Another excuse to just read books and do nothing.