/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2757289
leave a poo in his locker

>american

anyway, actually tell us what conversations you've had instead of being a dumb leftcom

>>2757429
I am not american you stupid fucking obsessed retard

sorry OP, this is a geopolitics and ISG board. nobody actually talks about class struggle. we have >>>/labor/ but it's less active than >>>/dead/ and >>>/edu/

Workers' strike at one of the largest US meatpacking plants will continue
Thousands of striking workers at one of the nation's largest meatpacking plants will extend their walkout to a third week as they push for higher wages and better health care. Industry experts said it’s too early to know if the strike that began March 16 at the Swift Beef Co. plant in Greeley, Colorado, will impact beef prices for shoppers.
https://abcnews.com/Business/wireStory/workers-strike-largest-us-meatpacking-plants-continue-3rd-131475996

‘Shameful’: Trump Threatens to Redirect Student Loan Borrowers to Most Expensive Repayment Plans
Anonymous officials told The Post that those who do not switch plans within three months of receiving the email will automatically be re-enrolled in the Standard Plan. Unlike SAVE, which is income-based, the Standard plan has borrowers pay a fixed rate over 10 years.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/student-loan-forgiveness-redirect

Plot to firebomb Palestinian activist’s home disrupted by NYPD undercover operation, authorities say
An official who was briefed on the investigation said Heifler, 26, identified as a member of the JDL 613 Brotherhood, a New Jersey-based group founded in 2024 that describes its membership as “Jewish warriors” fighting back against rising antisemitism.
https://apnews.com/article/fbi-nypd-nerdeen-kiswani-e8fa38819b4f65f830b26b640d44cd72

Vance takes aim at Minnesota in first federal anti-fraud task force hearing
Joining the task force was Colin McDonald, a top aide to the Justice Department's second in command. He was recently confirmed as the assistant attorney general overseeing the new division at the department focused on prosecuting fraud. The Justice Department has long prosecuted fraud nationally through its Criminal Division, but the Trump administration says the new division is needed to crack down on rampant fraud.
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assembly.org.ua : The war has entered its fifth year. On the intensification of street guerrilla in Ukraine
For nearly 1,500 days and nights, the shadow of death has swirled over our Slobozhanshchina, and the sickle of warfare has reaped the harvest of life. Despite the predictions of the front's collapse last year—some with fear, others with hope that everyone would finally be able to leave—it still stands near Volchansk, Chasov Yar, Pokrovsk (Krasnoarmeysk), and Gulyaipole. The deadline for a hypothetical agreement has been pushed back again to late spring. No threats of sanctions against the Kiev authorities from the Trump’s fascist administration, which proudly admits to raping children if it was "a very good deal that will help them become great." The UN is also in no hurry to install a temporary administration under its auspices in Ukraine, modeled on East Timor. The drowning one's salvation remains his own doing. Broad resistance to drafting in Ukraine we recently compared to the resistance to ICE in previous article "From Minneapolis to Ukraine, only street countering can stop the state-run hunt for people". The problem is that, as in the United States, it is not strong enough to change the overall situation. After the complete devastation of our revolutionary field by Stalinism, the tradition of mass street movements disappeared in Ukraine, except in support of some right-wing politicians: 1991, 2004, 2014… Rebuilding it from scratch takes a lot of time and has been underway for two years now, since the law tightening mobilization was adopted on April 11, 2024. However, since late 2025, we see a new trend: people against the war are moving from self-defense to counter-strike. Almost every day there are news reports of armed attacks against police or enlistment groups, mostly in rear regions like Odessa or West Ukraine. This is no longer like today's United States, but rather like during the Vietnam War!
https://libcom.org/article/war-has-entered-its-fifth-year-intensification-street-guerrilla-ukraine

The Kathy Hochul Donors in the Jeffrey Epstein Files
For nearly a year, New York Governor Kathy Hochul has been calling on the Donald Trump administration to release the Jeffrey Epstein files. Well, they’ve been released —Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2756912
>Again, it's easy to point at algerians and vietnamese for forming alliances with their national bourgeoisie. Way easier than pointing to the french workers who gleefuly joined the ranks to subjugate them with the promise of a plot of land, or the ones that stayed at home and chose to do nothing while the empire was at weakest (post WWII destruction, stretched thin trying to maintain it's colonies.)

This is not about blame. The text explicitly acknowledges the fact that there are many real reasons as to why nationalist movements garner support. There's no doubt that the Vietnamese and Algerians had been impoverished and brutally oppressed by France and later the United States. Workers following a nationalist movement may at times even benefit (though the benefits from nationalist politics which had existed right after WW2 are today marginal or non-existent) from chasing out an occupying power. The point of the text is that the national project will subsume and destroy the socialist project if the socialist movement is willing to subordinate itself to a nation, because the nation-state is an inherently capitalist form of organization. This is confirmed by the history of socialist movements that were either killed or repressed by nationalist and religious forces which were previously allied with them during struggles for independence. (Indonesia, Iran, Poland, Iraq, Egypt, etc.)

This is true of places in which socialism "won" as well, like China or Vietnam. A worker in China and a worker in Czechia lives within the same set of social relations, regardless of however radically their constitutions differ on the subject of communism.

>>2757194

>This is not about blame.

You can see people in this very thread, as well as other leftcom texts, doing just that. They disregard the historical and material context in which these decisions were made, which incidently implies that the groups who made them did so because they are dumb and follow a dumb ideology. A very idealistic way of seeing the matter, if you will.

>The point of the text is that the national project will subsume and destroy the socialist project if the socialist movement is willing to subordinate itself to a nation

Again, this is dictated by the correlation of forces at the time. In China, the Kuomitang lost because the communist movement showed itself to be the more competent at disputing the masses and waging war. But if they had not declared a truce, they'd both be erradicated under japanese occupation.

Not every movement will know how to navigate that balance properly, and as a result they will be coopted or destroyed, as they were in the exemples that you cited.

>This is true of places in which socialism "won" as well, like China or Vietnam

The decaying of socialist construction is another matter, although related. Maoism develops a remedy to that in the form of Cultural Revolution, although admittedly we need further proof of concept of this.

>>2756620
>the burden of revolutionary defeatism is on the metropolitan workers,
You are a fucking retard, you have no idea what revolutionary defeatism means

>>2757293

I accept your concession

>>2757423
Well the vast, extreme majority of the population was against the continued colonization of algeria since like, I dunno… the 1800's, that didn't stop any french government from doing it that long (is that really surprising?)
Or is the idea that since they still had soldiers, it wasn't real revolutionary defeatism?
Considering Algerians troops were never going to enter the mainland to defeat the republic anyway, there never would've been an opportunity to "transform defeat in the war into a civil war" as Lenin said

St. Paul: Emperor of Rome, building of road between Tyre and Sinai.

Edward Ashbury O'Neal: Cavalry support, and light horsemen of medic; American Civil War, Union.

Reynard Heydrich: British spy, German trench lines, Great War; rape by French soldiers, for being disloyal to German Kaiser under Weimar.

Timothy O'Neil Jr.: Vietnam War veteran, prevention of INTERPOL replacing American police officers; service in Massachusetts State Police, as interceptor driver.

David Michael Charlebois: CIA HUMINT, clandestine operative on contract operator per famous political families and households of Foundation logic; "X-Files".

CP is illegal. Lolicon is illegal. Child sex dolls are illegal. Obscenity is illegal. Now operating systems without age verification measures on the signin (like Microslop) is illegal. Now ADULT porn sites are firewalled by ISPs in some states.
>>2756908
P much this.

>>2757099
False and malicious statements against the federal government are illegal. Just bring up the fact that John Adams persecuted newspapers with the Sedition Act of 1798, so a Founding Father violated free speech before the ink even dried.

Nevermind the fact that it was an amendment and not part of the Constitution (booj autofellatio) proper. Meaning it was appeasement of radicals. The juxtaposition resulted in the creation of ancaps.

>>2757131
jefferson argued against the sedition act and it expired in 1801. john adams was generally reactionary anyhow, also opposing the secularism of the states, which violates the first ammendment as well:
<Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102

>>2756997
Kill yourself

>>2757024
it's still stupid that the USA voted against it since it had a whole ass civil war over it, and even America's """"islamofascist"""" enemies who used to enslave africans themselves also recognized it as wrong. face it. burgers have lost the mandate of heaven. everyone hates them and they go out of their way to be edgy and anti-human even when handed the opportunity for a simple public-relations layup with no strings attached.

>>2756957
This has nothing to do with the working class its just retarded ethnic nationalism.

>>2755763
why did cambodia abstain? trying to curry favor with trump against thailand? how pathetic

>>2757124
No its when you try to claim a certain historical event as being the worst atrocity ever in human history forming a hierarchy of opression and then trying to use that to leveradge monetary benefits to for your ethnic groups personal gain.

>>2755225
Let's ignore all the communist leaders who were not Jews like engels, che, mao and sankara bitch

>>2755232
>>2755236
the nazi copes are either

A) that non jewish communists are "spiritually jewish" because communism "is just jewish because it just is ok???"

or

B) that non jewish communists were really just third world ᴉuᴉlossnWs who didn't care about communism and just used it as a vibe

>>2755325
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>>2754115
there are a lot of Jews, both on the left and right, it's kinda hard to ignore

>>2753938
It's just hatred, they hate jews and they hate communism so they're the same for them, they've never read anything written by the people they hate.

The jews don't want you to grow turnips, fry with cisco and drink moonshine

>>2750912
>the image users paint here of the 'homogeneous classless orient'.
yet you paint an equally false image of the 'homogeneous leftypol poster' in order to get (You)s. curious.

>>2750955
Very nice… now let's see how many armchairs in the general are cheering for the war to continue and to 'glass Israel' compared to those posting the everyday reality of civilian casualties and annihilated neighborhoods.

shii liberals dogging this thread like a bullet lmao

Aircrafts droning near my place again…

>>2752729
>Perhaps OP meant less people being born as demographic losses
I would also think so, if he didn't say
<Simply terrifying what kind of horrors US censorship has hidden from us

>that's basically the same logic western historians would apply to the soviets
true

I kind of want to vindicate the OP, but upon reading the source, it's pretty much the same thing that bourgeois propagandists do when they use projected birthrates to prove that communism killed 100 trillion, but from the other side. Understandable for the Soviets to use this line back in the day, but hardly solid evidence by today's standards.

>>2756101
Never expected a "blacks had it better before Civil Rights" take here but I guess that's par for the course in /leftypol/.

You're memeing right? You genuinely don't believe Blacks had it better in the 60s or 70s than today?

>>2756135
It's kind of debatable NGL. The Black middle-class has it good but de-industrialization hit fucking hard.

>>2756101
Certain parts of the south. I think it's mainly the cities of the south in particular places like Atlanta and Dallas or Houston.