/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Is it in line with DiaMat? I see it used by a lot of structural marxists that have infamously trouble accepting dialectics, so maybe overdetermination is indeed a revision from Marx?

I've come across this sham argument in an increasing amount recently, also by Eastern Euro anti-communists.
Meanwhile Burgerland, workers in a bloody chips factory work themselves to death.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/20/frit-j20.html

Or the hyper-exploitation, which is going on now in Eastern Europe.

https://apnews.com/article/world-news-health-romania-environment-and-nature-business-74bc8c9f72d2dbe21e10282c722779dc
>In Romania, ‘modern slaves’ burn noxious trash for a living
>In the trash-strewn slums of Sintesti, less than 10 miles from Romania’s capital, Mihai Bratu scrapes a dangerous living for his Roma family amid the foul reek of burning plastic that cloys the air day and night.
>[…] “We don’t want to do this. Why don’t they give us jobs like (communist dictator Nicolae) Ceausescu used to, they would come with buses, with cars, and take us to town to work,” she told The Associated Press. “Gypsies are seen as the worst people no matter where we go or what we do.”

We know better, but feel free to post more examples of horrid working conditions in Eastern Europe and the imperial core, in addition to showing evidence of how working conditions under communism steadily improved over time, to use against anti-communists in debates.

If the world is suffering from problems with environmental degradation caused by industrial waste why not just build and dig bigger landfills that can contain more trash and build more sanitational based equipment? Why not just replant old trees? why not just cut down on production if keeping factories operating is causing industrial waste? It wouldn't be hard to keep streets clean, it wouldn't be hard to keep the air breathable, it wouldn't be hard to simply not turn the planet into a wasteland simple just by giving a shit about the natural environment

I'm trying to de-nazify myself, trying to shift into anarcho-egoism, I think I get the basic concepts of leftism and all, but one thing keeping me away from full-blown leftism is, if race doesn't really matter and all that is just the capitalist ploy to keep us divided, why are there no thinkers, I mean like Marx and Stirner and stuff, that would be black or asian? I mean there were people like Mao or Mugabe but they still borrow all the basic ideas from Marx, point is, why is it only white man that thinks this way, or, dare I say, why is it only white man that thinks? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm really trying here, but just… why does it seem like only muh yuropeons "think?"

This thread is to discuss potential problems with Marxism in a relativistic society and how theory can solve them.

The first problem that comes to light is the tendency for the rate of profit to fall is affected by time dilation. If a spaceship is moving fast wrt Earth, the tendency for the rate of profit to fall will be slower in the spaceship.

Another problem is, for rates of profit to equalise across industries, it will require higher rates of profit in the spaceship since rates of profit on Earth will appear to be higher in the spaceship. For the same set of commodities to make a higher rate of profit in the spaceship, either exploitation needs to be greater or socially necessary labour time needs to be lower in the spaceship.

Lastly, workers on the spaceship appear to be working slower than those on Earth. Should this affect socially necessary labour time? I don't think so because the workers on the spaceship are also consuming less.

As well as these general problems with Marxism, can Cockshottian planning work in a relativistic society?

A million sides, constant changes of allies, a bunch of events - sort of the First World War in the South, in the Crimea and in the Urals, the latest fleet operations against the Germans and the Entente in the Baltic, literally Syria in the Ukraine, the Red Army attacking British tanks with bayonets near Arkhangelsk, the Wild West with Basmachi in Central Asia, Latin American partisanship in Siberia, White Genghis Khan is plotting something, White Czechs are fleeing from the Red Czechs with tsarist gold, finally the fight against anti-Soviet uprisings and simply hellish gang violence.

Red, White, Green, Black, Basmachi

>overpopulation
Theres already enough food on the planet until 2050 in fact it's been proven with countries like kenya china brazil and india that reducing population sizes dont fix societal problems as your controlling population sizes not increasing the wealth of a country per person
>water crises
This is a man made problem, desalination, well digging, atmospheric humidity to drinking water hell even fresh water supplies in the ocean are all available and most drinking water is spent on unsustainable farming methods that could be improved on in a month
>climate change
The earths climate is changing but not due to human influence as earth is fucking huge with most of its land and resources being unused, the biggest greenhouse gas isnt co2 it's water vapor and historically the climate has spiked and fallen at different intervals due to the climate cycle
>covid
Your at risk of mortality if your health is already compromised either often due to drugs, if your already ill or obesity, wear a mask and keep away from others but dont take the vaccine as theres no evidence that it works(something that you'll be told on official papers from your local government) and most vaccines are being produced by corporations that need you to take constant doses to fund their agendas whatever they may be
>gun violence
Drugs kill far more people every year than guns and the tobacco industry alone is responsible for 100 million deaths by cigarettes in the 20th century alone, it's been documented that outbreaks of gun violence primarily occur in areas where guns are restricted like chicago, canada(yes even they have mass shootings and quite a few)russia and california as gun control is a weak response to fixing the problems with a countries security as epidemics of violence are a byproduct of people not bullets
>mass immigration is a form of colonialism
It isnt most immigrants assimilate at one point in their lives or their nationality changes as they've settled into a region of the planet for long enough, immigrants cant take your jobs especially in capitalist societies because employers have multiple ways to create artificial unemployment including outsourcing, forcing workers to work longer and under hiring to have a workforce that's desperate for a job,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

I know this is supposed to be non-sectarian, but I have noticed a serious problem with this board that is either going to eat it up and doom it to irrelevancy or at least be acknowledged and worked on. There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible by engaging in behavior like saying anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist, or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.

I will preface this by saying I've met many principled ML's here who have very solid principles and criticisms of modern politics, but it seems all too common that they're willing to deny that these edgy and terminally online faux socialists are polluting this place with their dogmatism. This is especially manifested by the constant hatred thrown at groups like anarchists and leftcoms who are supposedly included in left unity, but even in the most basic threads outside of USSR or China worship, these people are constantly shat all over as not real leftists.
I don't want this board to become an ideological hugbox, and I enjoy the discourse between different leftist groups, but the fact that obviously mentally ill people dominate the board and get free reign to shit on people that should be considered comrades under the guise of non-sectarianism is seriously killing this place.

This is coming from the bottom of my heart, I really want to see leftypol be something better, but it's really disillusioning when you're relentlessly shat on and called a radlib or anarkiddie for criticizing anything about the hivemind of this board.

tl;dr anarchists and leftcoms are comrades too, and it's really hard to agree with left unity when they're constantly shat on

I wanna understand how that site descended from an obscure mostly liberal imagebboard that could discuss politics with a varied amount of humor to a cesspit of botting, bait and shill posting that's actually more popular than most communities on reddit with a userbase that's so politically 1 sided that it feels like only 1 or a few like minded people browse and run the entire site. Around 70% the catalog of /pol/ in it's current state is anti vax propaganda and the rest is almost exclusive to id/pol/ faggotry, how did that place reach this point and is it possible for them to recover?