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Im trying to look into the epstien conspiracy and links to pizzagate back in 2016-2017, idk about yall but this has fully become my hyper fixation and if can have more schizos send some files or links ill suck you thru the screen
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>>2737266
Damn boy, I was one of the biggest Pizza Gaters around but just because I think spreading disinformation and conspiracies about that whore Hillary Clinton is based. I can show you the most crazy stuffs if you would give me a minute to dig it up.

>>2737342
im a the point idc whats real or not i just want a good story

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>>2737349
Alright, so this all started by making hay out of the Podesta Email leaks from wikileaks. The craziest shit I found is that Dennis Hastert and the Podestas all went to some future leaders camp in Japan as youths called "Camp Nose" and they all kept up with each other since then. Dennis Hastert was the Speaker of The House and he got convicted of paying hush money to a man who he formerly molested when he was a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert
>John Dennis Hastert (/ˈhæstərt/ HASS-tərt; born January 2, 1942) is an American former politician and convicted felon who served as the 51st speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007.[1] A member of the Republican Party, he represented Illinois's 14th congressional district from 1987 to 2007 and was the 6th longest-serving speaker in history, and the longest serving Republican. In 2016, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for financial offenses related to the sexual abuse of teenage boys, although he was never convicted of any sexual crimes.[2][3]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48488



<Dear Mac

<Cant believe its almost 50 years since Camp Nose
<I have stayed in touch with denny Hastert and jan ettelt and andy dolan all these years
<Its wonderful to reconnect with you
<Are you posted in new York?
<I would love to see you
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>>2737376
it never fails to amaze me how not matter what these cunts have a backup plan to either make everything disappear or fuck off to isolated rape island, there will never be a email that says "you fucked up time to pay the piper"

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The 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul provided a vivid demonstration of how even decentralized movements can successfully detect and neutralize infiltrators through collective practice. According to contemporaneous reporting, members of the RNC Welcoming Committee, an anarchist federation of anonymous affinity groups, systematically photographed law enforcement during confrontations and worked to memorize faces over the months.

This practice paid off concretely. At a rally in Mears Park, a protester recognized a man who looked like an anarchist or leftist, dark clothes, red flag, backpack, disheveled appearance, and realized she had photographed him days earlier during a police raid on the Welcoming Committee's headquarters. She spread word to other protesters, who confronted the man and his two associates and told them to leave the park. The men departed and entered an unmarked sedan whose license plate traced back to the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office detective unit. Private investigators associated with the affinity groups were able to recover these plates.

Later the same day, protesters identified two additional men during a planned march, one singled out simply because he was wearing brand, new tennis shoes, a subtle marker of inexperience or incongruity with movement norms. Those men also left in an unmarked sedan.

Academic assessment of security culture during the RNC found it had "a mixed record". It succeeded in "frustrating shorter-term infiltrators operating at the movement's peripheries, but "generally failed to prevent longer-term infiltrators from gaining others' trust" . This distinction is crucial to understand. The men identified in Mears Park and the march were likely peripheral operatives which is shorter-term infiltrators whose behavior or appearance had not yet fully assimilated to movement norms. The deeper penetrations, the operatives who spent months building relationships and trust, remained undetected.

>>Detection Protocols, what the people can actually do


The RNC example illuminates several concrete practices that movements employ to detect infiltrators –

>>Documentation and Memory Work. Systematic photography of law enforcement during operations creates a visual database that can be referenced when unfamiliar faces appear in movement spaces. The protester who recognized the raid participant did so b
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>>The Operational Mechanics of the Dead End

What does this look like in practice for a movement organization??? Let us walk through the infiltrator's journey from the inside.

>>Phase One: Access.


The infiltrator shows up. They attend open meetings, public actions, visible events. They are observed by the movement's distributed immune system, not a formal vetting committee, but dozens of people who notice and share patterns. The Army's OPSEC guidance warns that adversaries "scour the internet and social media sites for tidbits of information" and will "stake out places where large numbers of people gather to collect information". Movements invert this and they watch the watchers, noting who appears where and with whom, what vehicles leave what buildings, and show up in what spaces.

>>Phase Two, Trust-Building


Months pass. The infiltrator demonstrates commitment. They show up consistently, take risks, build relationships. They are gradually granted access to more sensitive spaces, working groups, planning meetings, encrypted channels and comms. But here the design intervenes. Because the movement practices graduated trust and functional compartmentalization, each new level of access reveals only what is necessary for that specific role. The person who helps plan logistics does not learn the names of everyone in the wider communications team. The person who facilitates one "safe house" so-to-speak does not know of the other "safe houses" they have not been involved in.

>>Phase Three, The Moment of Activation.


The infiltrator has spent two years, perhaps three or more, building credibility. They have been patient, careful, convincing. Now they receive the signal from their handlers to act. They attempt to access sensitive information, and discover they cannot. The wider network of "safe house" locations are known only to a different cell. The names of key organizers are held in a encrypted list they never saw. The tactical plans for the next action are being developed in a group they do not even know exists.
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My apologies for the length, these are complex matters that resist easy summary. The essence of what we covered is this - centralized party structures proved fatally vulnerable to modern state infiltration, as COINTELPRO's devastation of groups like the CPUSA and Black Panthers demonstrated. Decentralized networks emerged as a necessary adaptation rather than ideological choice, forcing the FBI and European security forces to work harder, cast wider nets, and rely on technological surveillance where human infiltration consistently has failed. The 2008 RNC protests showed that shorter-term infiltrators could be spotted and isolated. But decentralization creates its own vulnerabilities. Agent provocateurs exploit the absence of central authority to push for reckless escalation, hoping movements will burn themselves out or isolate themselves, making easy targets for repression.

The solution is not closed off organizing forms but building movements with ingrained immune systems, graduated trust that limits what any single person can access, compartmentalization that ensures no betrayal reveals the whole, and internal brakes ie; shared understandings of proportionality, that resist provocateur pressure without speedy commands from above. The GRU's illegal residencies proved that the most secure networks are built on preexisting relationships that cannot be easily infiltrated. The ultimate achievement is not perfect security but resilience so deep that infiltration becomes strategically useless. Everything we've discussed here, is the standard for modern intelligence agencies creating hostile proxy movements in adversary nations. It's tested in the field.

>>2736551
I don't see how self-immolation is adventurism. It's just dumb.

>>2737002

The way people use adventurist, isn't even correct. When the working-class is more comfortable with certain actions than the leftists, doesn't that reflect the base adventuring beyond the supposed "vanguard"? lmao. I don't think academic organizing has 0 value, but the overemphasis on it does not have the same results academic organizing does abroad, because in USA that is not a public sphere.

>>2737002

Adventuring beyond life into the after life.



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Capitalism will end in a few decades.
I concluded this by playing a flash game called Oiligarchy which you should play for yourself and see the eco ending:
https://armorgames.com/play/2607/oiligarchy (Original)
https://www.hackedfreegames.com/game/3195/oiligarchy (Hacked/Cheats)

and by searching "when will the world run out of oil" on Google, which said:
<Based on current consumption rates and known reserves, the world is estimated to run out of economically accessible oil in approximately 50 years, or around 2052–2060.

And I once read this guy called Reza Negristani who wrote a book (Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous Materials) about how oil is capitalism and its sentient, like he was saying capitalism needs oil, also the west runs on oil and its obviously important to them. Lots of guys like Michael Parenti and Jacques Derrida and whatnot wrote big books on how the west invades for oil, fights for oil and like is living because of oil and stuff.

So yeah, there won't be an ecological collapse / doomsday. West should fall soon. Unless they use nukes for M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) like in one of the game endings.

To address some concerns:
>We're already past the point of no return, this ecological damage is irreversible, we're fucked.
No I'm pretty sure not, but if we are its like… why aren't you doing whatever you want if its your final days? Go.
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>>2706976
Of course not, but large scale industries != capitalism. We already had capitalism with barely-above-artisanal levels of manual craftsmanship in England's nascent textile industry in the XVIII century. The only thing you need for capitalism is a small set of people with enough money to buy things and buy labour to then sell the result of labour+things for a bit above the cost and treat all of this as a private, non-social operation. They will begin to accumulate and pass the wealth through inheritance and begin the cycle all over again. My point is that ecological and/or technological catastrophes may very well preclude the current form of capitalism, but not capitalism itself. So I agree that running out of oil will be a once in a millenia opportunity for setting up a new set of rules for the material production of life, but we need to start thinking about the specifics right now because if we are not ready by then, inertia will make humanity fall back again to what they already are familiar with.

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>>2707060
Without large scale industry we cannot do communism, we’re gonna end up reverting to feudalism and slavery as the entire human population fights over the newly arable land in Northern Canada, Scandinavia, Alaska, and Siberia

>>2706976
>and neither is large scale industries at all
how are large scale industries incompatible with solar and wind? provided you have some hydro and nuclear it will be fine

>>2706972
energy prices will be skyrocketing before the collapse happens so there could easily be a socialist revolution then

>>2706418
Honestly you're not wrong. Do you think the wars of this decade will exacerbate that affect?



 

>>"Prostitution is the outlet of too many bourgeois. One turns the son of the poor man into a slave and his daughter into a courtesan. The exploiter class asks for your sons to degrade them, Your daughters to rape them, you and your wives to exploit you. Watch out Parisians. Long Live Anarchy! Long live the commune!"

Albert Libertad, 1898
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>>2697849
no. do you not know how to read? read the post again slowly to find out what it means.

>>2698105
semantic nitpicking
>>2699085
not an argument

everything stated was correct

>>2697816
Everything that Epstein and the people in his circle did was already illegal. Are you seeing anyone being punished or arrested? 99% of all laws and prohibitions only exist to repress the working class. It's what Marcuse called *surplus repression*.

Sex work is bad.



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I just finished reading The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962) by Thomas S. Khun and it struck me as one of those instances of a non-Communist person being dialectical materialist on accident. I actually don't know what his attitudes towards Communism was, but since he was born in the USA and spent almost his entire adult life in the Cold War, I assume it wasn't good. But nevertheless, I found this to be a very intriguing but short book (he calls it an essay) which analyzes science not as a static teleological method based on making falsifiable conjectures and attempting to refute them through experiments (as with Popper) but as a continually evolving and socially constructed human enterprise based on changing paradigms, which continually rewrites and simplifies its own history in order to abridge the process of raising and training new generations of scientists. Science continually subdivides into new fields, and old paradigms are continually replaced with new paradigms through the process of crisis formation and resolution. Old theories are abandoned, and the very process of raising and training a new generation of scientists in a given field introduces only the current dominant paradigm and its main problem/solution methodologies (called "normal" science) to avoid burdening the student with the entire historical background. But as scientists engage in experimentation, they uncover anomalies which the dominant paradigm cannot explain. At first this is fine, because paradigms reign as long as dominant theories are able to explain most phenomena encountered in daily work. Anomalies are just treated as mop up work for normal science. But as anomalies accumulate there is crisis formation and entire paradigms get called into question, leading to scientific revolution. He compares this to social and political revolution and it reminds me of the whole Scientific Socialist thing about the transformation of quantitative changes into qualitative changes. I'm probably explaining it poorly but I'm wondering if anyone else here has read this book and gotten anything out of it, or maybe even if you thought it was trash, say why.
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>>2704313
>I am still not hearing why Kuhn is mistaken.
he will never say why, it seems.
>>2704105
>Bourgeois Imperialist Zionist (BIZ)
lol
>vid
lmfao

>>2704028
we have a predilection for scientific theories yes

>>2720663
Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos, Russel etc qre posers. Nothing of scientific value in their work. Redditors of early days.

>>2703553
It's just a sad reality that after 1950, dialectical materialist writers started caring more about impressing people with word salad and less about conveying clear ideas in the plain manner of Marx, Engels, and their immediate successors. So it's not surprising that there are post-1950 works outside of explicitly leftist works that have more to offer.

>>2721283

poor american education means modern european marxism seems too academicy and word-salady. europe expanded public knowledge and education of workers and usa is still stuck in old age europe left this old age with social democracy when it come to education accesss so the pre ww2 texts make more sense to american brains. europe funds schools centrally. everybody gets the same baseline whether you in the rich part of town or the poor part . here? property taxes and private systems run education acccess. so a kid in a poor zip code gets a worse public schools and even then public school is bad most places and you expect to pay lot of moeny out of pocket to get level of education kids abroad in EU get. straight up.



 

I'm talking about the classical marxist ideology that posited that we need to just accelerate capitalism til it just caves in on itself and then take over after that. not the fascist " lets shoot every poc at the grocery store" accelerationism.


What do these guys even do for tangible praxis?
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>>2733273
Very good post. Not gonna lie, I liked the manifesto of Srnicek and Williams, and I think they had a legit critique of the post-left/The Invisible Committee, but let's face it, their solution was not very different from the kind of things Yaroufakis already talked about, demsoc with more machines. They didn't inherently solve any problems.
Vince Garton and Edmund Berger wrote pretty interesting things even if a lot of it went over my head. As someone who didn't study philosophy in college, that era of shitposting felt exciting as I was seeing people trying to develop new ideas and engage with the present. Nowadays it feels like we have stagnated, r/acc predictably got a relative victory, and we are back to watching the shitshow unfolds with our old ideas. The problem of accelerationism is that it remained pretty descriptive, while a cascade of unforseeable events kinda changed everything, it became harder to keep up ironically.

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>>2733333
also something to add: this is actually the unintuitive absolute genius of the chinese communist party. it is not simply that they are stopping the market from doing things that are anti-social, they are preventing capitalists from trying to annihilate capitalism hence forcing them to continue accelerating the productive forces to continue competing

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>>2733247
Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong board. The /dead/ is two blocks down.

so what is decelerationism? like social democracy because it decelerates the collapse and class divisions?

>>2733247
Possibly something like leftcoms but I don't know



 

Italians protest against Iran war and attack on judicial independence
The March 22-23 referendum on changes to the judicial system has become a major political test for Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni’s far-right government, which faces an election next year. The debate over the legal shake-up has escalated into a broader confrontation between the prime minister and her political opponents.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/italians-protest-against-iran-war-and-attack-judicial-independence

Orbán and challenger Magyar summon rival rallies in show of strength before Hungary’s April election
In power since 2010 and looking for his fifth consecutive election victory, Orbán, 62, faces a more competitive race than at any time in the past two decades as Magyar has shot to prominence and challenged what once seemed an unshakable grip on power by the pro-Russian populist.
https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-magyar-rival-rallies-election-d9802379bae4d314463d9b80dacea950

Gains for the left and far right in French municipal elections
Sunday’s first-round results showed a significant increase in votes for the LFI, which scored high in the north, in the town of Roubaix, where it could win the mayor’s position. It also saw significant vote increases in cities including Toulouse, Lille and Limoges, after succeeding in mobilising young voters. In France’s second biggest city, Marseille, the RN’s Franck Allisio was level after the first round with the incumbent left-wing mayor, Benoit Payan, at about 35.4 per cent, as they head into next weekend’s run off.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/gains-left-and-far-right-french-municipal-elections

Protest in Morón turns into attack on Communist Party office amid Cuba blackouts
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Hacked data shines light on homeland security’s AI surveillance ambitions
The projects at the Office of Industry Partnership (OIP) include automated surveillance in airports; adapters allowing agents to use phones for biometric scanning; and an AI platform that ingests all 911 call data nationally and builds “geospatial heat maps” to “predict incident trends”, which appears to be a form of predictive policing.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/15/hacked-data-homeland-security

Republican Bill Would Denaturalize US Citizens as Support Grows
One lawmaker, GOP Representative Riley Moore of West Virginia, announced on Friday that he would introduce a bill to denaturalize and deport any naturalized citizen who commits an act of terrorism, plots to commit an act of terrorism, joins a terrorist organization, or otherwise aids and abets terrorism against the American people.
https://www.newsweek.com/denaturalize-us-citizens-for-terrorism-push-gains-support-11676915
https://archive.ph/5eOxn

Afghan asylum-seeker dies after less than 24 hours in ICE custody
Paktyawal, a father of six who had applied for U.S. asylum, was about to take his children to school Friday morning when he was surrounded by masked men who drove up and put him in handcuffs, Rahmanullah Zazy, a family friend and leader in the local Afghan community, told NBC News in an interview.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/asia/afghan-asylum-seeker-dies-less-24-hours-ice-custody-rcna263626

Tennessee grandmother jailed after AI facial recognition error links her to fraud
Angela Lipps, 50, spent nearly six months in jail after Fargo police identified her as a suspect in an organized bank fraud case using facial recognition software, according to south-east North Dakota news outlet InForum. Lipps told the outlet she had never been to North Dakota and did not commit thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

From Bay of Pigs to Speedboats: Trump Still Doesn’t Get It
There are moments when the class character of imperialist aggression reveals itself with brutal clarity. February 25, 2026, was one such moment. Cuban border guards intercepted a Florida-registered speedboat just one nautical mile off Cayo Falcones in Villa Clara province. The vessel carried ten armed Cuban exiles operating from U.S. soil. When the patrol approached to enforce sovereignty, the infiltrators opened fire. Cuban forces defended themselves, killing four − including at least one U.S. citizen − and wounding six. Weapons, ballistic vests and military-style equipment were seized. Havana correctly described it as a foiled “armed infiltration for terrorist purposes.” Washington, as always, denied any government role. Secretary of State Marco Rubio called it “not a U.S. operation” and announced yet another “independent investigation.” This is not an isolated incident. This is the latest chapter in U.S. imperialism’s six-decade war to crush the Cuban Revolution − the very same criminal methods the CIA employed against Fidel Castro and Comandante Ernesto Che Guevara. Let us recall the historical record without embellishment.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/03/from-bay-of-pigs-to-speedboats-trump-still-doesnt-get-it.html

How the global crisis is strengthening Russia
The contemporary Russian regime has become adept at navigating global turbulence. Rising oil prices, shifts in trade flows, and disruptions to competing suppliers can all strengthen Russia’s position as a major exporter of raw materials. In this sense, the Middle Eastern conflict may temporarily stabilise the Russian economy. A profound change is underway, driven by the relative decline of US imperialism, which has lost its position of complete supremacy as a world power, along with the organic crisis of capitalism which is leading to a scramble for control of markets, resources, supply chains and spheres of influence, principally between the US and China. And it is precisely in this imperialist carnage that Russia is attempting to establish itself.
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tybna



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We can't just demand the number one now! We need incremental progress first! And look, it's close to the number one than any previous time in history! We're getting there soon!
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>>2697588
but arent dengoids and MLoids kind of libbed out too? whats the difference?

>>2697430
>Seems like he was wrong then.
This. So much this

>>2697252
>>2697272
>>2697274

let's read them:


>To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.


<Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890


>Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.


<Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847


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>>2698192
>>2697252
You are forgetting that it is mandatory to build forces within a working-class party independent of the bourgeoisie, and the reforms must be radical to intensify the class struggle and not to create complacency. This means that all pensions must be removed from the private sector to be under the control of the workers, outside of profit, as a public right; all costs must be transferred to the capitalists; and any indirect tax on workers' consumption must be abolished.

First, I will state the Marxist position on how to act in an election in bourgeois democracy:

<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.

<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2697252
Your analogy doesn't make sense, because for an infinite series to converge means, that for every possible distance to the limit, there exists a number of elements of the series after which every sum has a smaller distance to the limit. By extension that would mean for every feature of communism not found in current society, there exists a point at which it is established by incremental change. This is clearly not how reformism has historically played out.



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>Pakistan's military has committed a horrific massacre in afghanstan , hundreds of civilians killed and wounded in this barbaric attack targeting a treatment and rehabilitation centre for addicts.

>crime reminds us of the crimes committed by israel against the hospitals in gaza


really starting to feel like ww3. i know we joke it started in 2022 or 1991 or 1945 but it really really really feels like WW3 now
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>>2742550
>>2742586
DJ Khaled is the Bordiga of Palestine if you really think about it

>>2742145
pakistan like drumpf can only bomb people from the air and is too scared to send soldiers to afghanistan

>>2742145
There's already a great depression dude, it is WW3

On the one hand, Afghanistan is almost literally a medieval shithole and can go to hell. On the other hand, Pakistan created this problem for itself because it never fucking learns. Let them kill each other.

>>2742667
The worst people we know are all fighting. Trump, NATO, Pakistan, Afghanistan, it's kind of amazing but terrible because communism has collapsed globally but our enemies keep fighting each other.



 

Mass media is dominated by those with the capital to own it. Any airtime an anti-capitalist gains on these platforms can be revoked at any time. So while pursuing exposure on them isn't useless, it is limited, and playing at a disadvantage.

It's therefore useful to draw people away from these compromised platforms onto our own platforms, and to discover places they are not able to easily dominate.

Naturally, there are infrastructural challenges - internet services require servers, which cost money, have terms and conditions if you aren't self-hosting, and can ultimately be shutdown by the state if considered a threat.

Some examples, to get the discussion rolling:
< Socialist-run media outlets (MeansTV, party article/newspapers, self-hosted podcasts)
< Socialist-owned forums (/leftypol/s, eRegime, socialist mastodon instances, socialist lemmy instances like Hexbear)
< Socialist closed chat groups (Matrix channels, Telegram/Whatsapp/Signal/Di$cord groups [still vulnerable to deplatforming, but limited] )
< Postering/stickering/graffiti
< Personal networks (word of mouth)
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>>2696921
>>2696927
>>2696928
Samefagging glownonymous

>>2696930
>three posts in the same row making three different points and responding to different people are the same person
No fucking shit you massive retard. Did you start using imageboards yesterday? Lmfao.

>>2696813
>>2672700
What about something like myretrotvs but with socialist or socialist friendly media
https://www.myretrotvs.com/

>>2696927
>i love making up shit nobody said
two can play at that game

>>2672700
>muh culture



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