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the cuban flotilla is being run by the PSL but they aren't using the PSL to push the flotilla because everyone with half a brain knows by now that the PSL has a history of sexually assaulting cadre across multiple branches, so they are using other orgs they run like code pink to do the promotion and optics of the flotilla

the flotilla, much like the PSL and the rest of these astroturfing organizations like Veterans for Peace or Code Pink are funded primarily by this billionaire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham

I would be highly suspect of any content creator or activist who joins the flotilla. The PSL is one of the biggest obstacles for a revolutionary American left to overcome.
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>>2754767

I wonder how many of these people realize the billionaires funding this have funded multitudes of liberal activist NGOs aligned with the DNC, they're so clearly all intelligence backed, counter insurgency'd up organizations. The PSL is literally a rebranding of the liberal NGO, with roots in the ANSWER COLIATIONs methodology.

From a realistic perspective, having a grassroots movement of working-class people in America arrive at the conclusion of socialism is simply not a possibility. The American people are too reactionary and too imperialist. It's simple. The average American supports these wars and supports the bloodletting of children in the global South. Ergo, only a secretive, tightly controlled vanguard party, which is funded from without, i.e. not by those same imperialists, can truly bring about revolution. The American people really don't have much of a reason or to care about revolution, nor would they support it. So we have to go through other means. Or at least that's the logic I'm assuming that the PSL supporters believe in.

>>2747991
>they aren't using the PSL to push the flotilla because everyone with half a brain knows by now that the PSL has a history of sexually assaulting cadre
As former PSL, I think you're missing the mark. Those sexual misconduct allegations are 100% true for the record, and the organization is rife with male chauvinism. That being said, that's not why PSL is laying low about their involvement. Internally PSL couldn't care less about the allegations against them. Rather, PSL follows standard Marcyist (quasi-trotskyist) practice in believing that elevating the consciousness of the masses is secondary to "doing something". This means essentially mirroring (and oftentimes taking part in) the liberal nonprofit industrial complex, but it's super duper different because they sometimes admit some of their politics upfront. If you want an example of this in their public writings, look at their book "Socialist Reconstruction", which actively minimizes the question of revolution in favor of openly idealist fanfiction depicting a "United Socialist States of America". It hardly needs to be said that this is tailism and opportunism. It reflects a basic fear of the masses and their propensity to reject Revolutionary Communist politics in the US, and its practical demands. Rather than grapple with why people (particularly whites) in the US embrace fascism and social-fascism over Communism, they prefer to minimize politics in favor of empty "militancy" and economism. Again, quasi-trotskyism.
>I would be highly suspect of any content creator or activist who joins the flotilla.
I don't think it's worth making much of a fuss over if I'm being honest. The flotilla is ultimately a performative gesture of "doing something". I think PSL should be critiqued for minimizing the need for revolution as they campaign to defend a country they consider socialist, a patently absurd practice but not one that's anything new for them, and "content creators" deserve the wall regardless of their involvement with PSL anyways. Nothing about the flotilla or joining it is actually producing any long term changes to how Revolutionary Communists should relate to revisionist and liberal forces in the US. So like, don't waste your breath. Focus on the ongoing struggles that actually matter.
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>>2754758
I've thought the Singham story is the biggest nothingburger. Like there's some rich guy giving you money? My attitude is like meh take the money, what criticism can you make of that which isn't moralistic. What makes me feel more pessimistic, however, is seeing someone like Chris Smalls (in your example) go from being this popular union organizer who came out of nowhere and seemed different and new to becoming another "media leftist" quasi-celebrity. Like there's no workers' political organization as much as a media presence substituting for one and the activism which builds around that skews towards the symbolic and performative side because that's good for media, and maybe that is related to the money going into the media side of things.



 

A curious pathology has taken root among the self‑styled Marxist‑Leninists of the American academy and the few remaining party formations they cling to; an unspoken, almost devotional posture of non‑critique toward the police. They will dissect the labor movements of ancient history, compose vague treatises on fighting imperialism, and issue proclamations on the dictatorship of the proletariat, but when the question of the cop on the corner, the officer who beats strikers, the carceral apparatus that swallows entire Black and brown communities arises, the real centers of class struggle in the modern era, their mouths go dry. They offer, at most, a limp gesture toward “defunding” diluted into a proposal for better training, no better than liberals. Abolition? That's Anarchist! No, communists want to attack and dismantle the bourgeois state, not capture it. You are RED LIBERALS. You do not mobilize against police unions. They do not celebrate prison breaks, or work with rioting prisoners on work stoppages. They do not treat the badge as the enemy it is.

Why this silence? Because, they will confess in private, the American working class is “pro‑police.” To critique the police openly, they whisper, is to alienate the very constituency they claim to represent. So they hold their tongues. They perform a politics of comfort, moderating revolutionary impulse into managerial reform, ensuring that no blue line is crossed too harshly lest they upset the fragile sensibilities of a working class they have never actually organized. This is not Marxism at all, so their constant accusative speculation of Anarchism directed upon real Marxists is hilarious. It is the posture of a class fraction so distant from struggle that it mistakes its own cowardice for strategic patience.

The material reality is stark, there is no socialist state to defend, no proletarian dictatorship to uphold. There is only the bourgeois state, its courts, its jails, its concepts of police and justice, its armies of occupation in every city of the globe. To be a “statist” under such conditions is to align oneself with the repressive apparatus of capital. Yet these self‑proclaimed Leninists drape themselves in the language of state power while refusing to name the enemy that wears the uniform. They have made their peace with the cop because the cop is the ultimate guarantor of the social order they dare not disrupt. They call anarchists naive for recognizing the state as enemy, for uPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2754428
no they wouldn't

>>2754138
>we must get rid of ML parties and just be idiotic smashie wreckers revolution hurrdurr
OK anarshit libglowtard

>>2754364
this

>>2754495
>>we must get rid of ML parties and just be idiotic smashie wreckers revolution hurrdurr

Here we go. See, these people are incapable of actual discussion. The moment they are challenged with something that breaks down their perspective, they silence people within their own parties or simply accuse them of "anarchism" or "lumpen behavior." Yet if we look deeply into their own beliefs and their own praxis, it usually amounts to little more than "The workers don't want a revolution against bourgeois American society, therefore our task is to integrate within it and make it better serve the working class." Also, you do realize anarchists flooded the ranks of the communist parties of the world when they were revolutionary, right? The main reason these parties get critiqued right now is not ideological split; it is that they are counter‑revolutionary, revisionist, and essentially an NGO format with a party aesthetic.


https://www.marxists-malta.org/history/erol/periodicals/class-struggle-us/cp-black-workers.htm

>>During these years, communists were at the center of the Black movement. But at the same time, this period saw a revisionist clique destroy the Communist Party, U.S.A., transforming its remnants into the counter‑revolutionary organization it is today.


>>The Party, however, had emerged from the war disabled by the revisionist politics of the Browder leadership. It was a politics of surrender to capital on all fronts, which left behind it a movement of revolutionaries without fighting organizations


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0896920517749804

>>2754699
MLibs will never accept that anarchists, with all their faults and retardation that everyone here is aware of, were a necessary step in the building of the revolutionary movement during its origins in 19th century, even if they had to be overcome at some point, and they will have to play a similar role if an international revolutionary movement is to be born again

>>2754718

That's because most MLs suffer from the same disease as anarchists. Idealism. Many MLs throw the word dialectical materialism around, but are using it as a weapon for dominance in argument, or a linear one size fits all analysis, rather than a methodology for study.



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What if all the founding fathers were anti-social degenerates who reveled in their sin and debauchery with pride and incentivize the Puritans and other Christian denominations to leave the fucking country because they want to force their religious values on other people instead of living in an egoist state

Max Weber uses the example of Franklin as an archetype of the protestant ethic in his writings, seeing how secular piety turns to capital accumulation through delayed gratification. If everyone was like Franklin, there would be no culture, since everyone would be obsessed with money.

Bullshit Benjamin Franklin loved going to the hellfire club people just want to frame him from a Christian worldview because they want to act like everyone has a Christian morality and a culture is just a group of people with a common group of beliefs and community it can be anything

>>2754638
if all the founding fathers were like franklin, 1776 would have failed. you need more than just nerds who fly kites. his contributions to science and political economy were remarkable, but you need people like washington and lafayette to win the war and craft the state.

that is the serious answer to your question. I will let the rest of the thread be about the obvious fact that the founding fathers were in fact all hypocrites, rapists, racists, slave owners, etc. we all know that already.



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>>2751584

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>>2754413
drink less

I've noticed Hezbollah are not putting out nearly as much video as previous clashes. I wonder if that's some operational change for some reason, maybe security reasons?

>>2754423
has the full scale israeli invasion begun yet? Last I saw they had isolated hezbollah territory by destroying the bridges and were amassing at the border.


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The law of value says that a society with money is bogreosie therefore not socialism. Consequently, the USSR was not socialist.
Why do ML(oosers) say the opposite ? Is it because they haven't read Marx ?
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>>2752791
le laws of dialectics!
(non-being = being) -> becoming!
>actually BECOMING socialism

>>2752791
>shoots up fent
<lay off man I’m trying to get sober, I haven’t even had a drink in a week

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>>2752510

LMAO. Its an Ikki Kita quote, the ultra responding can't parse the satire. The Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was JDPON in practice

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>>2752537
>every third worldist is just a temporarily embarrassed treatlerite, they all want to be the USA.
but anon… many third worldists already live in the USA. you're confusing third worldER with third worldIST

>socialism/communism is this specific state of affairs
theorylet detected
>the law of value also existing
you will not value aufheben without first making full use of it



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>Chinese vassal state
>Ran by the CIA
>Has nukes
Why can’t we go back to Eastern Bloc-Western Bloc type-shit?!?!? This shit is so confusing!
The body was too short The body was too short The body was too short The body was too short

>>2754262
>Chinese vassal state
no, do you even know what a vassal state is?

>Ran by the CIA

just cause they helped fuck with their neighbors through militias doesnt mean they're cia run

you gonna have to start thinking with a bit more nuance because things can be a bit more complex than "x is in y camp"

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>>2754262
India is even more of a meme country
>Europe dislikes them because of their foreign and internal policy
>America prefers Pakistan even though India tried to join the anti China bandwagon
>They hate China even though Jiang Zemin wanted to improve relations
>Tries to assassinate leaders of Canada
>Boogeyman of the middle east because they just need to hate Muslims for some odd reason
>Israel doesn't help them but full support and sends peacekeeping troops? Even though they recognized Palestine before the majority of Europe
>Lost the civil war in Myanmar because they didn't intervene with China
>Wants to improve relations with the Taliban
>Disliked by Sri Lanka and Bangladesh
>Hates Pakistan, cut off water supply towards it
>Hates Nepal regime after the restoration, supports the Communist regime despite hating it years before
>Still mad about Islamism despite it being 2026
>Supports Juche and Ceausescu
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>Previous Bake
>>2749258

Latest News
>Israel and USA may have underestimated Iran
<Dimona residential complex hit
<Israel taking over Shia villages in Lebanon
>Things aren't looking good

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>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
>>2751584
>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
>>2751584
>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
>>2751584
>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
>>2751584
>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
>>2751584
>GET IN HERE LEFTYCHUDS
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>>2751093
nah it just made his mysticism even worse, he just does palm readings while trying to aura-farm on the people he debates (strawmanning)

>>2751348
HOLLY SHIT.

>>2750795
>Jesus claimed the temple would never be rebuilt

Gonna need sauce on that one anon

>>2750795
Acts 31:24



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Babe Ruth Edition


💀 ICE & Prison Resources
(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/ – ICE tracker using public info and user submissions
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers – list of deaths at ICE concentration camps
https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/ – visualization of prison population in US
https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf – RANT Collective - Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in
https://alcpress.org/usjails/index.html – database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites
https://www.prisonactivist.org/resources – list of prison related resources, mailing lists, etc
https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/Category:Agents – ICE Agent List (incomplete)
https://uspoliticalprisoners.com/ US Political Prison Tracker (last updated 2025)

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>>2739875
she should have broken the glass before throwing the soup

>>2738966
Why would you reply if you're going to tell them to fuck off? it's if you went to someone's house and told them to fuck off, instead of you leaving.
>>2738989
Words are essentially meaningful.
>>2739053
Maybe we can get these guys on our side before they radicalize them and then we spend a life time hanging out, and this time, our enemies will be our friends, terrible joke but so are other things.
>>2739056
They don't even have dental.
>>2739846
Sounds like we should talk to this bourgesi guy, he seems to causing something.
>>2739873
There is no Right, it's just vague conspiracies to "stress" test the public and give them "pride" in something women don't respect, and i'll be light, but the end result is unknowing degradation to them when they have their storm the capital moment, even and/or especially on image boards. This is a lot of attention just to get a bunch of guys to be gay, all you had to do was make transwomen hot and "P".
>>2739856
Why would you appeal to emotion when it comes to values you view as spelled name calling? You wanna be right as people who can get called beaner and be okay.
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>>2738750
Facism is suppose to work with the people, just like leftism.
>perhaps colonizing a few more avenues of life to serve commodity production maybe
Do you want sex? be hot!

>>2738719
The idea of God being "greater" than his creation is weird, it's not a hierarchy, he wants them to be "good" and become like him, in this case autonomous, and to be like him.
>>2738738
>we will get global islamic ummah as the victorious religion/nation and then the proletariat will rebel against the islamo-porky in the final revolution.
Wouldn't that be a circular revelation? If you the porky in this example are giving global islam to the proletariat, and you you're self are a porky islamist proletariat, then you are the power you're fighting.
>today humanity is too fractured among religions and nations for proletarian revolution.
Not really, among people who have what they need, and you never know something as simple as marrying a hot Asian woman could send that entire system crashing down, so hard the proletarian really are freactured.

>>2754143
you bumped a ten day old thread for this?



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Why does it seem like most of the heavy handed police repression and operations in USA that use lethality have been against anarchists? like im talking mass raids in operations, mass arrest sweeps, targeted killings, why did they stop doing that with the more marxist groups like they did in the 80s back and suddenly just seem hyper focused on anarchist. like the cointrlpero of the usa government against them now seems way more harsh than on other lefty groups. anarchists back then basically got to fuck around in communes and get surveilled but not actively destroyed. now fast forward and it's like the opposite. after 9/11 you start seeing way more entrapment cases against anarchists than actual marxist groups, the green scare after was straight up hunting anarchists with cases facing decades, murders by cops, multi-jurisdiction tactical raids on the same day across multiple states, RICOS, and now trump signs a bill naming "anarchist jurisdictions" specifically as the highest lvls of "terror" but the dems been doing the same shit just quieter with biden's and obamas doj still prosecuting 2020 protestors n anarchist being killed by police under biden. meanwhile ml groups mostly just host panels at universities and don't get their doors kicked in at all, they dont have cops visibly come to show force to intimidate them at meetings even but they do all this for anarchist. like why did the state stop caring about leninists who actually wanna seize state power and start obsessing over black blocs who just wanna smash windows. what changed
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>>2749752

The central problem is not one of ideology or will, but of space of social reproduction in relation to class struggle. I once spoke with someone who had traveled abroad and spent time with militant Marxist-Leninist formations in the Third World, Irish republicans in Belfast, Kurdish movements in Turkey, and anarchist collectives in Athens Greece. What struck them, what they emphasized was that these militants do not simply act, then return to their individual lives within capitalism. They live together. Every day. In squats, in cadres, in shared housing where the boundary between organizing and existing dissolves. They see one another constantly, and in that proximity they build something the American left has largely lost; genuine comradery, every day structures of mutual survival, and a territorial claim on the spaces they inhabit.

What passes for movement life in the United States, by contrast, tends toward the episodic. People gather for actions. They disperse to isolated apartments, our precarious work schedules, our atomized existences. Mutual aid becomes charity , a distribution event rather than a mode of existence. We do not claim neighborhoods. We do not live with one another as a unit. We do not transform the everyday into the terrain of struggle. The changing material conditions of modern American life, the housing market, the geography of sprawl, the fragmentation of the working class conspire against the kind of dense, sustained, face-to-face organizing that characterizes movements elsewhere. But we must also name our own failure to resist these conditions, to carve out space where there is no space, to build the kind of collective life that makes daily revolutionary practice possible. The problem is not that we lack the will. It is that we lack the architecture, the squats, the cadres, the shared kitchens, the rooms where the struggle continuously engages in spheres of social reproduction. Squatting as a culture exists, and even thrives in the USA, but like everything else, it is overall hyper individualistic and isolated, centered around addiction too.

I will not claim that business unions are without failures. Their histories are entangled with bureaucracy, with compromises that have often sold out rank-and-file militancy. But when I look at the most resilient unions in the United States such the IBEW, thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2749663
>This, by the way, is not an anarchist tactic. It is a guerrilla warfare tactic. Guerrilla warfare has always included rioting and rowdy demonstrations as part of its repertoire as well.
That makes sense. In this specific case (not to generalize it), I don't think it made sense though, because it was just an anarchist group acting completely on its own. It's a different situation in Northern Ireland where you could be directly embedded in a whole community in a state of unrest.

>>2749720
>I would almost certainly guess you are … in the South
That's a bingo. But yeah I want to stress that it's a specific local condition (or pathology).

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>>2749929

I guessed easily, because the dynamic you describe is a recurring pattern in the American militant left in regions with smaller cities, more sprawl and wide open space. The transplantation of tactics honed in tightly condensed urban terrains where populations already exist in sustained, often violent antagonism with state security into landscapes that lack those material preconditions. This is just a failure to read the concrete conditions of struggle. When organizers attempt to import methods developed in Belfast, Athens, Oakland, Seattle, Philadelphia, LA, Boston, or the barrios of Latin America without first assessing whether the local geography, density, and social composition support them, the result is not militancy but theater, with a script that makes you cringe.

That said, the United States is not uniformly suburban sprawl. There are cities, some in the Rust Belt, some in the former industrial Northeast which is modeled after European cities, some in the colonias of the Southwest. These are usually places whose physically visible racial and class divisions rival those of Belfast at its peak. They contain condensed neighborhoods where youth, adults, and entire communities exist in explicit, generational opposition to policing, alongside equally entrenched enclaves of support for the carceral state. In such places, the conditions for sustained confrontational politics exist; density, historical memory of state violence, a recent history of resistance, and existing networks of mutual aid, and a population that already understands the state as adversary. In these cities, the tactics developed elsewhere, mobility, evasion, territorial defense of blocks, become not imported affectations but viable responses to a real terrain of struggle. The question is not whether such tactics can work in the United States, but whether the left has the patience to identify where they can, and the discipline to realize where they do not.


Arizona is for some reason very different. I remember seeing anarchists open carrying in like 2015 there. Now we see scenes like this out of tuscon -

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>>2743615
For one part, this
>>2742803
For the other part, they also did a little „research“ about the psychology of Marxists and Anarchists since then. Marxists tend to be in their authoritarian left spectre, especially MLs, meanwhile Anarchists are the deepest in the antiauthoritarian left spectre possible.
According to whatever „science“ there is behind it, authoritarians are about 10 times less likely to be active in some way than antiauthoritarians. So if we assume that Anarchists are 10 times more violent against the capitalist state, they probably did a little math and thought 1000 Anarchists can do as much damage as 100.000 MLs.

>>2750637

can you find the source on this?? In my time in CPUSA, any time a Marxist wanted to do anything communist or against capitalism, they called it Anarchism. They even called critiques of the police Anarchism. They were very militant about being anti-militancy within anti-capitalist perspectives.



 

What do we do about the little Hitlerite problem?

The merits of the petite-bourgeoisie in national liberation struggles are debatable but in the imperial core small-business owners are nothing but the spear-tip of reaction.

So how do we as workers actually struggle against the small-business owners? It seems like there's no direct way of struggling against these assholes. I would like high taxes and tight labor regulations but that's a wish, not actual struggle. Boycotts are also pretty useless for the working class.
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>>2750738
>small businesses are inefficient even though they are more competitive than big business
>the government is protecting small business and oppressing big business
>its progressive to simp for big business
more communist wisdom…

idk but the utopian in me would be to encourage if not outright enforce their small businesses to convert to worker cooperatives.

>>2751723
>>small businesses are inefficient even though they are more competitive than big business
yes
>the government is protecting small business and oppressing big business
yes
>its progressive to simp for big business
defending small businesses is inherently reactionary and has never been a communist position

>>2752895
You're forgetting anti-imperialism which as a bonus gives you a free pass for defending literal feudalism.

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>>2709382
Kill them all.



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