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How do Stalin-hating Leninists cope with the fact that all of the mass immigration into capitalist countries that Lenin supported due to "progressive potential" has not actually succeeded in breaking down national barriers and uniting the working masses against international bourgeoisie?
In fact the opposite happened. Workers became divided among each other and the bourgeoisie class has strengthened. On top of that, it was now proven that multi culturalism was a failure that only serves to help fuel the rise of reactionary ideologies.

Marx understood this, he even expelled Chinese workers from the international proletarian movement when they flooded the British labor market.
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>>2670231
>libs after watching IShowSpeed in Africa

The Marxist position is to organize for the defense of the rights of all workers, including immigrant workers, with compensation for these workers, unions and workers' organizations for any violations compared to native workers, passing all punishments on to the capitalists, also preventing any way for the capitalist to control the immigrant worker to intensify exploitation, where any profit made from unpaid work or work below the wage of the native worker will lead to intervention that will revert any profit made along with the fines that will accumulate plus the lawsuits in solidarity that will be guaranteed to the workers.

Let's begin with the text addressing the issue of Irish and English workers at the time:

<I shall give you here only quite briefly the salient points.


<Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of their material wealth; it is their greatest moral strength. They, in fact, represent the domination over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the cardinal means by which the English aristocracy maintain their domination in England itself.


<If, on the other hand, the English army and police were to be withdrawn from Ireland tomorrow, you would at once have an agrarian revolution in Ireland. But the downfall of the English aristocracy in Ireland implies and has as a necessary consequence its downfall in England. And this would provide the preliminary condition for the proletarian revolution in England. The destruction of the English landed aristocracy in Ireland is an infinitely easier operation than in England herself, because in Ireland the land question has been up to now the exclusive form of the social question because it is a question of existence, of life and death, for the immense majority of the Irish people, and because it is at the same time inseparable from the national question. Quite apart from the fact that the Irish character is more passionate and revolutionary than that of the English.


<As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land which provides the English market with meat and wool at the cheapest possible prices. It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish populati
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>>2669259
I gave you the Marxist answer here:
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>>2670231
>Lenin, Marx…thought class would be a far more defining feature
>in people's outlook
did they? what do you mean by "outlook"? did they say it was defining, or determinative? on its own, or in the last instance? with education, or spontaneously?
>class solidarity does exist among elites,
is outlook the same as "class solidarity"?
do "elites" get "class solidarity" spontaneously just from their class position?
>barely among working people and largely only among workers of the same ethnicity/culture
assuming this is true is it because of their ethnicity/culture or is that just correlation? what is the root of solidarity among workers? are there any other factors that would increase interpersonal association among people of the same culture, like physical interaction or proximity that might skew the causative effects of this assumption?



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>"Do what you’re least-bad at."
>You quit art, math, sports - to attract a job.
>Start flipping burgers.
>Boss invests in improving burger flipping skills.
>Forty years, golden spatula, wrist fuses to handle.
>Peak skill: 27 combo meals memorized.
>Graph climbs for them, flat for you.
>Rent, food, gas: at best the same percentage of income as always.

<Start saving early.

<Don't give up on your aspirations of being developed.
<Upgrade your skills yourself, take what you need.
<Forty years, golden mind,
<Peak skill: frontiers of global technology at your fingertips.
<Graph climbs for you, flat for them.
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>>2680013
>TFP
Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics. Everything else will make sense to you. To clarify: TFP is not a real thing, it's a catch all term for all the other metrics they cannot classify. As you can see, this is pure idealism and the reality is an intersection of things. For example: Savings rate, but into productive equipment is different from Savings rate into yachts and corporate buybacks. Also, goods transfers between state-owned enterprises don't count in GDP because no money was exchanged even if real economic activity happened.* I could go on, but the whole premise of modern economics is bullshit which is why people ask questions like OP.
>Congrats you discovered neoclassical economics is bullshit

*watch vidrel to see example of "free good" that is not counted in GEE DEE PEE @ 39:15

>>2680045
>Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics.
My understanding is that TFP was increases to productivity without increasing costs, so replacement of depreciated machines with upgraded alternatives (not scaling), or improved management techniques, or improved techniques in the usage of existing machinery.

Truthfully am perhaps too incompetent today to really learn the alchemical recipes of bourgeois economics. Never really understood what GDP was, in part because of confusion over the Soviet case. Even the math presented here has been forgotten by me. It's quite sad really.

It's very interesting the idea that labor value would be sets rather than values. I'll look forward to reading this fellows book when it comes out. It does sound rather difficult to plan with, but then again what do I know.

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China is apparently similar with at most 40% of growth coming from TFP.



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That face when all the european right wing parties are in the epstein files…

When will all the AfD and Aurchuds kill themselves? How retarded can the working class get?
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>>2679694
So was Stalin?

>>2679341
Epstein was anti-imperialist?


>>2679782
He sold weapons to Iran and met w aes leaders so yes

>>2679694
no he wasn't are you retarded



 

As I understand, Sartre is in opposition to Marx when it comes to how he views the individual. For him, the individual is condemned to be free, which contradicts the marxist historicism and dialectical movement.
However, he tries to come back to Marx through his book "critique of the dialectic".
Anybody QRD ? I'm interested in learning more about him. I've only read "Is existentialism a humanism ?" and mainly viewed it as midwit philosophy that reduces everything to human agency. Am I missing something ?
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>>2658823
In both cases the "facts" are irrelevant because no one is taking responsibility for their actions and choices. Both positions are predicated on the fatalistic notion that some outside actor is "forcing" them to do this. But it's all them, the man who beats his wife or posts racial slurs, or the "revolutionary" killing someone are both doing it because they willed and decided to. God or The People are not obliging them to do either. It's all them.
After all; if this were the case, why can we nevertheless reject either and do the opposite instead?

I've argued this in discussions with "race war" proponents before; if the "race war" is inevitable, and we have to act in name of our "race", why is it possible to refuse to do so? Because there is no outside force compelling us.

The notion of an innate class interests is similar. If it is innate and an extension of personal interest, why can people reject it? There is no such thing as "class interest" and people cannot be reduced to classes. There is the interests of communists, who will communism. But not every worker does, and not every member of the (petite) bourgeois is opposed to it.

You argue it's because proles are alienated, but we're all alienated; even the bourgeoisie! From each other, from full pursuit of our own authenticity. Like (paraphrasing) Zizek put it, the archetypal capitalist is the one who dedicates their entire being to channeling and growing capital. But you cannot reduce people to only being capitalists or workers, and often the distinction is murky; ordinary workers also perpetuate the commodity form, they work to ensure goods remain (capitalist) commodities, they aid in organizing production and perpetuating capital. You can see this in various industries from retail to IT and others.
You can argue the distinction is about who "owns" capital, but if you assume a global perspective there is no singular owner of capital, not even the billionaire class as a whole. Capital is an emergent social force which acts through others. It does not have an "owner", regardless of who appears to benefit more from it than others.

>The idea of a vanguard party only serves to educate and make aware the proletariat of their condition

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it follows from german idealism that freedom is something inherently human, which sounds nice, but it thus disregards nature as something entirely secondary to our nature, and so holds to the religious prejudice that matter is evil while the soul is good.

without a doubt the most retarded french philosopher and that's saying something
he was also an unironical zionist

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I jumped from Absurdism to Egoism so i never really got into it even tho i tried to read Kierkegaard but i couldn't understand anything and i kinda gave up on reading philosophy since then.



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There's no such thing as "left," or "right." There are only those that seek to perpetuate oppressive power structures, and those that seek to dismantle them. And it is only within that set of people who believe in liberty that genuine difference of opinion and debate can exist. That is to say, once one rejects hierarchy, the only meaningful discussion to be had is whether to scrap the tools of cruelty our oppressors wield against us, or provide them to all. Whether to abolish barbarism, or to liberalize it.
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>>2677849
>go make prolepol.org
<umm it doesn't exist
not sending their brightest

>>2676128

> "There is no such thing as the left and right there is only [describes the right] and [describes the left]

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Left means outside of the bourgeois political spectrum because once you leave the bourgeois spectrum, you've Left.

>>2676128
There's only those who wish to perpetuate the industrial system, and those who seek to dismantle it.




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Theres not enough pushback against the EU.
Look online, look at plebbit, look anywhere, its all pro-EU propaganda, there are rarely any platforms to be against the EU. This is one of the few places where you can shittalk the EU without having hundreads of libtard elitist faggots reply to you with their bullshit.
WTF?
There are tons of places to talk shit about America, but there is next to no organized platforms condemning the EU. And the strangest thing is that brainwashed EU citizens don't think they're tied to the US's geopolitics, they think they have freedoms and are prospering.

As for organizations against the EU in real life within european countries, all of them get accused of being pro-Russian, and even if they are pro-Russian that's the fucking good choice. 99% of the ukorp propaganda is financed and ran by the EU neoliberals.
A ton of the pro-Israeli propaganda is also financed and ran by the EU neoliberals, not as much as the US but still, a ton.
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>>2679833
They crave for attention.

>>2679833
Thank you🙏 for recognizing slavs as BIPOC, that allows us to say n-word.
God bless you brat.


>>2679211
>lukashenko got russian army setting up camp in belarus whether he liked it or not
lmao do nafo retards really believe that?

>US ask for greenland
>literally everyone in EU but denmark pitch a plan where US get large chunks of the territory
>denmark get mad and say "no way we wont give territory", threaten to remove the CIA spying base in their country, US apparently back off for now
yes tell me more of the famed unity and independence of the EU



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here's a chat i had with a coworker
>[some unimportant convo but we get to the point of 'what has to be done' regarding the obvious crisis le western world is in]
<me: yeah I think we need a revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat, we need to smash the bourgeois state and establish a worker's republic and expropriate the expropriators
>cw: w-what? b-but that's communism? 100 gorillion vuvuzela etc
<me: the bourgeoisie and their historians are degenerate retarded pedophiles financing every political tendency under the sun (liberalism, fascism, anarchism) except communism and have been lying about everything and you want to tell me they are correct about communism?
>cw: well.. uhm.. huh… uhhhh
<me: read marx bla bla [epic propaganda time]
Why don't you do this? Why don't organizations take a stand against the falsification of history? Am I the only one that thinks 'historical nihilism' is a bad idea? I think the western left is deeply historically nihilist.
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>>2679521
>>2679622
>"watering down"
>looks inside
>defining terms and ensuring the other person understands what you're saying so that they can actually recieve and make sense of the message you're sending instead of helplessly staring at you for being a pretentious ivory tower dweller.
Starbucks socialists talking down to people by deciding what is and isn't worthy of finer elaboration do the job of right wing think tanks for free by painting socialism as something you'd have to go to college for to understand.

>>2679737
how is starbucks elitist lol
I've spent hours bumming off their free wifi simply by bringing in a used cup
starbucks is lumpenprole core

>>2679761
Burger TV tried to associate starbucks with "woke (derogatory)" by saying that anyone that complains about the system benefits from through fancy coffees and whatever the hell a "manbun" is. It's a deranged and reality devorced narrative/archetype but every time a socialist is pretentious about it that narrative is reinforced.

>>2679761
Of course the Westoid doesn’t think his own institutions are elitist, you’re so used to decadent luxury you don’t even think twice about it

>>2679773
They said they brought in a used cup, you can get a used cup for free by getting a water there, then bring it back with you the next trip. There's also a trash can in the front sometimes so you can fish one out of there.
They're saying they're loitering.



 

I find it especially ironic that Islamists, who claim to be reactionaries yet are nothing but impotent conservatives: the loyal servants of of capital, have exacerbated the social ills of bourgeois society which they claimed to oppose.

Islamists in my country used to attack communists for "promoting prostitution" and the "community of women" (women owned in common) this was refuted by Marx as early as the Manifesto who pointed to the hypocrisy of this accusation, nevertheless what happened once Islamists captured power with the backing of multinational capital and the petty bourgeoisie? Public prostitution became prevalent and organized, an underground industry run by this new bourgeoisie. Religious cities became brothels that people cross oceans for, with the blessings of God and law - prostitution became holy "temporary" marriage, a market fueled by endless victims of poverty, austerity and war.

As for private prostitution (marriage) civil marriage was de facto abolished and with it any concessions offered to the woman, communists used to rally against the payment offered to the woman's family to consummate the marriage arguing that it is a form of commodification, this has now became the standard practice, cementing the woman's role as a commodity first, prompting her to rot until she is inevitably sold rather than take her own path in life.

The separation of genders have twisted the view of women to be mere objects of sexual gratification rather than real conscious beings. This view twisted further by pornagrahy; the consumption rates of which is amongst the highest in the world despite being banned and labelled taboo. Naturally the rates of harassment and rape have also increased despite bullying women into suppressing their every feminine character.

I suppose eventually it became convenient to lift any ostensible restrictions around this commodity, and so the age of marriage was lowered to 9 in order to save them from degeneracy of celibacy.

Now believe me when I say I don't shutter at the 'immorality and injustice' of any of this for the commodification of women and children is entirely within the logic of capitalism, in this extreme case it has only been elevated into a more public form under the guise of God, the only way to abolish it remains to be by abolishing all class distinctions.

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>>2679523
>Islam is right about women

>>2677305
>who claim to be reactionaries
Like, with that wording specifically?
>yet are nothing but impotent conservatives
How would that fall short of being reactionary?

>>2678875
wow you're telling me a people that was starved by the millions by an anglo-russian coalition in ww1, and in ww2 was forcibly occupied and looted for oil and other natural resources by an anglo-soviet coalition, would sympathise with their common enemy? no fuckin' way bro!

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>>2679539
Third positionism is liberalism

>>2679542
It's funny how the Soviet Union in WW2 fought for the same objectives as the Tsarist empire in WW1 that the great revolution negated before it crumbled.



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>>2678961
Federalism is about to die a horrible and stupid death, simply because it won in the dumbest way possible.

>Chago downtime hours
<Thread is boring

>>2679010
he usually posts 8pm-2am his time if he bothers

looks like people moved onto the new bread too early
>>2677075
>>2677075
>>2677075

>>2678629
Salt is the one thing you WOULDN'T put in Kraft Mac and cheese. It's already salty.



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>The president is a pedophile rapist.
<Lets have a protest.
>The administration is protecting and covering up major pedophiles (incl. in major US ally states).
<Lets have a protest.
>Rich pedophiles with economic power and pedophiles in administration.
<Lets have a protest.
>America is invading many nations.
<Lets have a protest.
>The police and ICE are arresting, repressing and killing innocent citizens.
<Lets have a protest.
>There are constant school shootings and a mental health crisis (that can easily be resolved by ending drug prohibition).
<Lets have a protest, and no to drugs, drugs are le bad!
>More repressive laws to certain groups of people keep coming and passing.
<Lets have a protest.
>Nations have become surveillence states and privacy is dead.
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>>2677935

> "It's such hypocrisy for revolutionary socialists to get mad when people don't revolution."

>>2676954
Are you stupid?!?!? It was an attempted coup, idc about the constitution but the motives were dog shit so J-6 was bad

>>2676911
Americans are taught in school that the only right way to challenge the government is through non-violent resistance. MLK and Gandhi are treated like saints who ushered in new eras just by marching and making speeches.
Combine that with the fact that the people who are willing and able to protest are by-and-large still fearful of their own economic security and well-being - they don't want to risk what they have by doing something truly transgressive.
AND the final issue is that the ones most willing to engage in revolutionary acts - young men - are captured by reactionary ideology and video games. Sure they're not in gangs committing violent crimes, but they're also not challenging state power.

>>2679380
Oh and the fourth point is obviously the lack of labor organization.
A strong labor movement would offset a lot of the individual risk.

>>2679380
>Americans are taught in school that the only right way to challenge the government is through non-violent resistance. MLK and Gandhi are treated like saints who ushered in new eras just by marching and making speeches.
This is true, I live in America and I went to school, but at the same time they also teach that you must worship veterans and I never realized how hypocritical this was as a kid



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