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Is ableism fascist?

I look down on people who can't maintain a good diet and exercise properly and in turn into fat fucks with limited mobility. I think that the ideal leftist should be fit and healthy, and that a communist society should promote the proliferation of fit and healthy people. I don't know why that apparently makes me an ableist to some people. What does the theory say about this issue?

this is just identity politics which we're just not interested in at all. I get that you're a loser trying to bait us but nobody cares.

there's a really extreme case that's kind of prototypical of the whole problem with capitalism and the human body and that is San Cristóbal de las Casas in Mexico. it's a town with a coca-cola plant that buys all of the natural water, and corrupts the government to prevent the townspeople having proper infrastructure for town water. there's a ton of yellow journalism about "the town where coke is cheaper than water". obviously obesity and diabetes is through the roof, the kids are all fucked up from having hero doses of caffeine from toddler age.

it's obvious that capitalism is responsible:
> lack of democratic oversight
> lack of regulation
> lack of education and development
> economic rationalization for what is child abuse enforced through poverty

it occurs across the world with people subsisting off of highly processed shit that they can afford, or a diet composed of their primary export to the US.

your next rhetorical step will be to say
>I don't care

which just begs the question why you made the thread, which as I initially stated is just to bait people into debating identity politics. kind of sad you're this dull a thinker and don't have anything better to do.

>>2760470
>Is ableism fascist?
It's more that fascist ideology was ableist. Really it was really tied up in Social Darwinism in which they borrowed from a crude interpretation of natural selection in which the "strong" select out the "weak" which justified physically exterminating people with disabilities (they actually experimented with killing methods on them before moving onto others). Also a big part of it was preparing the population for war.

>the ideal leftist should be fit and healthy

What is "ideal" is doing a lot of work here. If you're looking at some people as more or less valuable than others, that is going to clash with a left-wing outlook sooner or later. A class society also operates like that and the rich generally look better than the poor, have more free time and money to hire personal trainers and the like. I think physical fitness is good BTW but I tend to relate to motivational and positive encouragement types. It's like everyone has an inner strength that you can bring out and that can motivate them to exercise.

Fascism is anything I don't like, the more I don't like it the more fascismer it is

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>>2760470
I've brought up reverse eugenics before, but if anything we need to encourage the handicapped.

I mean the actually handicapped, being fat is not a handicap. Being traumatized isn't either so most women are not handicapped. I'm talking about like downs syndrome or blind, deaf, no limbs or something.

Midgets too. Women should be forced to lay with manlets both so they suffer, and to derail heightism. No doubt westoids fetishize nephilim fallen angel giants hence like talls.

When everyone is an acne riddled paraplegic transgender with epilepsy, people will no longer have time to discriminate and lord their superiority. They'll cooperate to function or die out. I am more than willing to gamble the complete erasure of humanity to insure i never have to hear another fucking redditor again say words like "preference" you don't get preferences, you're a Kafir and should be beheaded for your insolence.

>>2760562
I read a theory about how the space aliums who helped engineer humans purposefully made us weak compared to the primates we come from to force us to cooperate.



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Very dialectical
You see it here first so Paul Cockshott can't steal it

Only succdem liberals would find something wrong with it. I've explained all of these points in previous posts and ACP even took Anarcho-Stalinism which Haz called libertarian Stalinism



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You will not be allowed to achieve class consciousness. they will turn this movement into another pro capitalist movement. the boomers and celebrities are already getting behind it, any talk of higher wages or lowering rents will be removed from the discussion, it's about trump. get evil trump out of the white house and then the democrats will give you all you want, only the democrats can defeat the ebil billionaires.

lol why do people keep falling for this old trick over and over? is everyone really just an NPC cattle golem?
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>>2759554
>>2759560
>OWS was legit, but got diverted by agents.
lol sure a "movement" by a bunch of politically impotent middle classers focusing exclusively on "le 1%" (just lol) was only doomed when agents got involved LMAO

>>2759998
The only thing the American masses need to do is die

>>2760001
OWS scared tptb way more than your maoist furry club

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The speaker of Iran's parliament and member of the Popular Front of Islamic Revolution Forces supports #NoKings

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>>2760004
>The only thing the American masses need to do is die



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These are issues as to why I think the Western Left will never do anything or succeed at anything. It's not exhaustive, but I do ask why other people here critical of the Western Left, think the Western Left has failed and will continue to fail to enact any sort of change whatsoever?
>Most Leftists are pretty ideologically antisocial, arrogant, elitist, do not like normies (especially working class people) and look down on them.
>Vast majority of what the Left does is ingroup virtue signalling. Every Protest, every newspaper sold, every shouting slogan, every cancellation, all anti-imperialism, isn't really done for a real purpose but virtue signalling and just group activities
>Leftists are holier than thou in the most moronic ways possible, they refuse to use modern PR, modern marketing, modern public speaking skills, Frame Communist and Socialist ideals in ways that are actually appealing and don't sound like a 1917 Larp.
>Because modern Leftism is a alternative scene, rather than a political movement, being a normal person who is charismatic, or works out, or good looking, is actually frowned upon.
>Anti-Imperialism doesn't mean anything or have any goal yet is the raison detre of the modern left.
>Anti-Imperialism never works because the left refuses to actually do anything to put themselves into positions where they have power to do anything actually anti-imperialist. It's mostly just seething and pointing at elites saying "LOOK YOU'RE BAD HYPOCRITS" while they respond "who cares?".
>Too many "Anti-Imperialists" just devolve into vulgar edgy campism. Many also seriously hope the third will will just rise up and save them.
>Shit like mass immigration is only supported because a lot of leftists are genuinely racist against white people and are wildly oikophobic and want to see "white people" suffer out of teenage level spite against boring suburban upbringings. Another is purely just a naieve white saviour complex or orientalism combined with christcuck morality that more "oppressed" groups are more moral.
>Most modern Leftists positions are really driven by peer ingroup "empathy" pressure than Materialism.
>Shitlib TikTok/TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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I think the western left may never succeed because of the Samson Option. Both the Zionist entity and the US would never let go of power without destroying everything first.

>>2759419
The problem is you're hanging out with the kids when you should be drinking with the veteran anarcho-alcoholics over 50.

>>2759419
As the other person said, you want older people. Students and other adolescent vermin are a bane on the labour movement and literally what is killing it (in central Europe, at least).
t. union organiser and local party rep.

>>2735341
This is a myth. The Serbian government was not involved in the assassination of the archduke. Even the Hungarian minister Tisza acknowledged this at the time. Young Bosnia was just like the circles in Tsarist Russia. Disconnected, particular and independent. Many of them read Chernishevsky, Herzen and Nietzsche.

>>2758936
Marx praised Feuerbach for his "true materialism" which incorporated relations between people. We got capitalists without capital and anti-social socialists, sad.



 

The world owes an apology to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, a true proletarian anti-imperialist movement.
Apologize NOW.
(The body was too short or empty)
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>>2758088
>>2758051
Wrong. Supporting the vetnamese social fascist colonizer devil puppet of soviet revisionism is like supporting israeli. You are epstein. You are zionist

>>2758478
Good, fuck Khmers and fuck Arabs

>>2757981
>>2757923
>Angkar was supported by all freedom loving peoples against soviet revisionist social fascist social imperialist entity.
WE AGREE

>>2758903
Kampucheans defeated AmeriKKKan imperialism on April 17th 1975

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>>2757923 sowy best thing i can do is devouring pol pot and the khmer rouge



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Peggy McIntosh is widely credited with pioneering the concept of "white privilege" in her 1988 paper, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," yet she notably failed to cite the radical, Marxist origins of the term established decades earlier by Theodore W. Allen. Writing in the 1960s and 70s, Allen developed the "white-skin privilege" framework as a materialist critique of how the ruling class used racial advantages to break labor solidarity. By presenting the concept as a personal "epiphany" born of her experience in Women's Studies, McIntosh effectively erased the decades of organized struggle and class-based analysis that Allen and his contemporaries, such as Noel Ignatiev, had already codified.
This lack of citation resulted in a significant distortion of the concept’s original intent, shifting it from a systemic weapon of class war to a tool for individual psychological reflection. While Allen viewed privilege as a "poison" or a "baited hook" that tricked white workers into betraying their own economic interests, McIntosh reframed it as an "invisible knapsack" of unearned assets and daily conveniences. This transition—often described by critics as the "transubstantiation" of white privilege—stripped the term of its revolutionary potential. By centering the conversation on personal awareness and "checking" one's advantages, McIntosh’s framework allowed the concept to be easily co-opted by liberal institutions and corporate diversity programs, moving the focus away from the abolition of the capitalist structures Allen sought to dismantle.

The "transubstantiation" of radical terminology reflects a broader academic and corporate trend where revolutionary tools are hollowed out and refilled with liberal, individualistic meanings. This process, also known as recuperation, effectively "sanitizes" subversive ideas so they can be integrated into the existing status quo without challenging the underlying structures of power. Just as Peggy McIntosh shifted "white privilege" from a Marxist critique of class warfare to a psychological exercise in personal awareness, other terms like "intersectionality" and "decolonization" have undergone similar transformations. What began as structural analyses of systemic failure or demands for the literal repatriation of land are often reduced to metaphors for "celebrating diversity" or "diversifying a syllabus," shifting the focus from material change to symbolic representation.
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>>2757174
>McIntosh
she's probably of Scottish descent, m8

Much agreed comrade, we all obviously have the same shot at making it in our fair meritocratic society! It's mainly your own negative thoughts that's holding your back, certainly not something as silly as your skin color or gender. How fortunate it is that we long ago left racism on the scrap heap of history where it so belong!

>>2758432
> we all obviously have the same shot at making it in our fair meritocratic society
That’s not what is being suggested at all.
Theodore W. Allen was an actual Marxist that examined the evolution of the “white race” in the U.S. as an eventual social control formation to break labor solidarity. The privileges to white workers exist in this context, but Allen argued it was ultimately "disastrous" for them too, as it blinded them to their true class interests and weakened the potential for a united working-class movement against exploitation. Alternatively, Peggy Mcintosh reduces race privilege to an individual exercise in tolerance and obscures the class dynamics that foster it. She uses an entirely different liberal framework.

>>2756945
Both suck

>>2758432
Kys lib



 

The ox cart, is pulled by a donkey.

It could also be pulled by a man, but why mistake the man, for a donkey.

Preferred to beat either, the fallacious belief.

Instead, neither; a donkey is the same as a human, but a human could pull the cart.(Off-topic)



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>treatler this, treatler that

Marx says it is unrealistic to expect workers in developed societies to live like workers in the least developed societies:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htm
<An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.

Marx denounces "crude communism" based on "envy" which seeks leveling down the standard of living and a total equality of wages rather than abolition of the wages system:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/epm/3rd.htm
<The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let along gone beyond it.

<(For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality – labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community.


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>>2755582
Stop using the CPUSA logo; we know it's you ChagosAnon.

>>2758260
didn't reply "on his behalf" just answered your stupid pro anti-intellectualism statement about intellectuals being the architects of imperialist wars. Yes I do blame people for being anti intellectual even though I'm not the original anon you asked that question to. It was a stupid fucking question and being anti-intellectual is not the solution to imperialism because revolutionary practice requires revolutionary theory, and revolutionary theory requires revolutionary intellectuals: a vanguard. Like god damn, imperialism is part of capitalism, it's not like capitalism would be without imperialism if all the ruling class were dumbasses (which most of them are). Anti-intellectualism is actually a huge force for reactionary defense of the ruling class. You really are so fucking desperate to avoid the subject of conversation you almost made me forget it by making this side tangent about whether I was the same anon you asked the profoundly stupid fucking question to. Also I was replying to many people at once not just you.

But even if I was the other anon you accused me of being, what would it fucking matter? Literally nothing about the correctness or incorrectness of what I said hinges on that. For what it's worth I agree with the other anon even though I am not him, which is why I answered """on his behalf"""

>>2758286
Chagos and WrongSchizo are two different anons with two different post styles

>>2759261
The "both sides" you're talking about >>2755648 is just demonstrating that cherry picking quotes can go both ways.
You used the word "intellectual" about 100 times but you're too retarded to understand what anonymity is and completely misunderstood the point of that post anyway.

>making this side tangent about whether I was the same anon

<notice how it says (You) next to the name when it's my post? and doesn't when it isn't?
<in fact you don't even seem to have noticed that the anon you are confusing me with has a flag on. picrelated. you can see the lack of (You) next to "Anonymous" on his post
Sigh, just join Reddit, it has identity, indented replies and it keeps a log of all your posts. You'll be a lot less confused and angry there.

>>2755382
Help us build communism. If you survive the end I will help you upload your mind into a rasberryPi and you can sip solar energy all day every day, all day and totally ethically.



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Since the nixon shock (1971) and petrodollar deal with the saudis (1974) if you need oil, and every country on earth does, you need dollars first, which means every country has to maintain dollar reserves, which means demand for dollars is structurally guaranteed not by gold or treaty, but by energy. You can't buy energy without dollars. You can't run your economy without dollars. The US has made itself the global tollbooth. The US gets to print dollars, spend them on goods (for treatlers), military (for defending treatlerism), debt (to actual workers), export them to the non-burger world (as inflation), and the world is forced to absorb them, because the alternative (not having energy) is worse. It's a global tax that every other country pays to the US treatler reich. There are two camps: Capital and Labor. This is Capital vs. Labor, but on a planetary scale. The US is capital. It made everyone else labor. Iran is destroying that. Praise Iran. Thank Iran.

Prices of oil are global. If oil prices stabilize (because of trading in Chinese Yuan) then also the petrodollar stabilizes. If the great mullahs had read Marx, they'd know, that for them to win against Ami, they have to collapse global capitalism. They, of course, will not do that, being that they are Kantian idealists, ideologically speaking.

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>>2759325
The Kantian Republic of Iran

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So, during the Cold War in Quebec was founded the Front de liberation du Quebec, apparently a marxist movement who did 300 bomb attacks and 2 kidnapping. No idea what to think honestly
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>>2710120
Looked that up. Apparently thr biggest representatives were in France and like many anti-authoritarian and anti-soviet tendencies post-68 they got absorbed into neoliberalism because it promoted the whole promoted flexibility, self-management, " your own boss" crap.

>>2679277
This is a very disingenuous analysis and if anything just demonstrates your total lack of understanding of French Canadian history. Like, since Quebec historically has had some notable prime ministers, and in 2026 is wealthier than they were in the past therefore… the entire history of Quebec nationalism is totally baseless?

You are intentionally ignoring the very long and well documented history of intense and brutal colonialism that French Canadiens endured at the hands of the British. A great example of this history is The City Below The Hill by Herbert Brown Ames, a pretty widely known piece of Montreal history in the 1890’s. French Canadiens (along with the Irish, black, any many other groups) were effectively proletarianized and served for centuries as the Anglo colonial class’ labour base, enduring horrible living conditions - infant mortality for French Canadiens in the city was 1 in 3, French Canadien life expectancy was about 25 years while the English average around 50. They were, for most of their history, forced to live in wildly overcrowded English-owned slums with some of the highest tuberculosis rates in the industrial world. They were basically cannon fodder for the British colonial project in North America well into the 20th century. While French Canadiens obviously came to North America as settlers themselves, they were quickly subjugated to serve the interests of the British ruling colonial class.

It’s ironic that you write off the 20th century separatist movement as just the opinions of a petit bourgeois class and yet, you also say that Quebec’s grievances are irrelevant because a few very wealthy French speaking Quebecers of the ruling bourgeois class happened to either serve as PM or in government roles, and so that apparently disqualifies the exploitation and hardships of millions of regular working class French Canadiens throughout their history, none of whom obviously ever got to serve as a wealthy politician. I am not going to pretend like Quebec is the most oppressed community in the world or something. As you mention, there have been major reforms since the 70’s that have lead to them achieving economic and social parity for the most part with Anglo Canadians. But to look at their struggle through this ahistorical lens and just say shit like, “well, they’re allowed to speak their language now so wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2758780
>You are intentionally ignoring the very long and well documented history of intense and brutal colonialism that French Canadiens endured at the hands of the British
No, I acknowledged that there were legitimate grievances in the past, however today there is no basis to regard Quebec as an oppressed nation within Canada.
>and so that apparently disqualifies the exploitation and hardships of millions of regular working class French Canadiens throughout their history, none of whom obviously ever got to serve as a wealthy politician
It doesn't disqualify them, but it doesn't mean that these have a national or colonial character. The point is to illustrate that French Canadians have not been significantly locked out of the highest echelons of Canada's political system due to their nationality. Their position isn't comparable to say, Indigenous people who had absolutely zero say in anything, no recognition of their cultural rights, and were not even recognized as full citizens until very recently. Of course the fact that two Quebecois wrote our constitution is of little comfort to working class French Canadians, but that's a class issue. It's not of any comfort to working class Canadians of any kind.
>why a formerly oppressed and proletarianized group of people may have a political desire for self-determination
I understand why they had a desire for self determination, I'm just telling you why I think those desires, or at least separatism as a means of achieving them, were misplaced. The fact that you acknowledge that they were formerly oppressed (i.e. are not currently oppressed) means that any oppression they faced was not of a genuinely colonial or imperialist nature. If it was then it would not be possible to resolve these issues within a capitalist-imperialist framework. This is why I made the comparison to Scotland. The Scots had plenty of legitimate grievances against the English, but these never rose to the level of making them an oppressed nation in the Leninist sense.

so much of this site is just guys discovering shit on wikipedia for the first time. read a book

Quebec nationalists can claim to be socialist all they want, they dont believe in it. They are franco supremacists.



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