/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Good, the northern passage is finally real

is this good :D

>>2633061
I've said it before but current AmeriKKKan foreign policy really is just a bunch of piggers panic hoarding as much land and resources as they can before climate change inevitable causes human civilization to collapse.

>>2633098
Looking at it, the annexation of Greenland and especially Canada is inevitable. US is definitely planning to have extra land and navigation in the Artic and Canada is a free country to take

>>2633061
War in the arctic sooner or later.

>>2631254
since a lot of aristocrats in the 1800s were already (relatively) impoverished compared to the haute bourgeoisie it is arguable that the petty bourgeoisie was already the middle class back then and if I recall they are sometimes called such even back then.

>>2631247
Socialism with American characteristics

>>2631173
Voluntarism

>>2631173
OP is an opportunist

>>2632520
Where is the opportunism?

>>2621715
just get a high paying office job with connections bro it's not that hard

up

>>2621776
Do you have to do sex things to get that?

>>2625267
Probably

>>2632217
yeah, another significant factor i didn't mention in that post (since i wanted to be brief and explain the basic reason these coups happen) is also because the militaries themselves are significantly older and also more respected by the local populace, the reason why military coups are very rare in the americas since the cold war isn't because the US made them happen, that's a misconception i think people should correct, rather it's because for the most part, the militaries in these nations became far more subservient to the civilian governments as they reached a certain level of economic and societal development that made military rule unpopular, in a country in which pretty much every institution (the bureaucracy, other types of public servants, city governments, etc) is civilian controlled and supportive of a civilian government, it's a massive depressor for any military government, since a military government needs the consent of at least a plurality of each of those to efficiently run the state, whereas in the west african states but also other states prone to military coups, public servants don't really have a favored outcome, civilian or military, as long as it's a stable government, and so don't really care enough to actually oppose a coup since the civilian government is just not well established nor supported by a majority of its respective population

>>2632007
> So what exactly causes military coups in thirdie countries?
Well there are many different types of military coups, some of which are aligned with NATO hegemony (Suharto, Blaise Compaore, Augusto Pinochet), some of which are not (Gaddafi, Sankara, Chavez). The former are brought about by meddling of more powerful countries, bribery, blackmail, etc. The prospect of becoming a comprador bourgeoisie is particularly enticing. The latter are a reassertion of national sovereignty by the national bourgeoisie or perhaps the peasantry and the proletariat in more revolutionary circumstances.

>What causes the army to betray the government and country?

You must be asking about the former case. To accuse the army of betrayal implies that their primary duty is to be loyal to the "whole" people. This is wrong headed. The army's duty is to be loyal to the ruling class, just like the police. Only in revolutionary situations do the army betray the ruling class, and side with the workers. Betraying the working class masses is the rule, not the exception, for the army.

> I mean even in firstie countries there's technically nothing stopping the military from taking over and overthrowing the government and they could do it if they wanted to, but they don't. Why?
There's plenty stopping them. Militaries are very large, and labor is very divided between specialists, not to mention the division between branches. And there is a mixture of different class/ethnic/racial/religious backgrounds, with different material interests. And the hierarchy subdivides the military even further, breaking up opportunities for the different divisions and branches to communicate and coordinate without the (mostly bourgeois) upper ranks knowing. You need bourgeois class traitors for a true revolutionary situation to kick off in the military. Which is why I said earlier that most military coups in the third world take the form of a conflict between the national bourgeoisie and the comrpador bourgeoisie. This division within the bourgeoisie has long been noted. Some place less weight upon it than others. As long as imperialism yields a huge difference between standard of living and wages between the "core" and "periphery" countriesPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2632007
Money, funding, and narcissism

When the force of law has lost its head, the law of force is what you get. Violence begets violence, strong men eat weak men. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Put yourself in the shoes of a middle officer in one of these countries that’s intensely poor and has civilian leadership that’s sold out to western corporations and drinking champagne with western leaders as al-Qaeda is literally at the door. You don’t need to be a marxist to understand this.

>>2631790
>commanders to Turkey
that's demonstrably untrue. first, there's no list of commanders published by ukraine. because ukraine can play dumb with who was captured, in fact, pravda published this article last year arguing exactly that:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/29/7514554/
>Commenting on public statements about the absence of Azov fighters in the latest exchange lists, Yusov emphasised that excessive media attention to specific names or units could be used by Russian intelligence services for their own purposes
so there's no reason or whatsoever to believe all of the commanders were released.
that article also stated, in the lastest exchange:
<Colonel Denys Prokopenko, alias Redis, Commander of the Azov National Guard Brigade, stated that not a single Azov fighter had been included in the three-day prisoner exchange with Russia. He said he does not believe the Ukrainian authorities are interested in bringing them back.

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>>2634057
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/8/ukraines-zelenskyy-returns-azov-commanders-released-to-turkey

Russia denounces the soldiers’ return, accusing Kyiv and Ankara of violating a prisoner exchange deal under which the men were to remain in Turkey until the end of the war.

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>Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Saturday that Ankara had promised under the exchange agreement to keep the men in Turkey and complained that Moscow had not been informed of the move.

>>2630985
We did, it's called /itg/

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Willing to work on a project for this, but how do we do it

>>2630649
Mods, ban this one

>>2632079
For what possible reason would this be bannable? You are so afraid of actual productive organization, you want to silence any talk of anything beyond mindless slop scrolling and discussion?

>>2631129
>/itg/
Can you tell me more?

>>2630437
Is Australia actually getting closer to China? Thought they were locking into the Sinophobia and insisting on being outside Asia

You know what to do.

>>2630952
Yeah there’s no industrialist left in the U.S. every porky wants do usury, renting, and land speculation. Especially now with the tariffs and free money being pumped into the stock market. The trump regime would have to at bare minimum turn off the free money spigot before chevron or Exxon considered investing in new refineries instead of making a stupid app or sitting on real estate.

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>>2629238
how neat we have our own pet glowie spamming our threads with US propaganda

>>2631155
"only israeli intervention"
kek what this would be like? israel annexes iran over a 3000 year old book?

I like to watch the plane going in
I like to watch the flames shooting out

also Qin Shi Huang

Robespierre ran headfirst into the ideological limits of liberalism. Louis Antoine de Saint-just penned the revolutionary constitution of 1793 and enshrined the right of the individual to exist despite much resistance. Georges Couthon because he crippled himself fucking too much and ordered churches destroy to be used as building materials for housing. None of these men would like communism, but they damn well tried to make liberalism live up to its principles, even concluding the rich would betray their revolution, and defending the Haitian revolution where their compatriots did not.

>>2631874
So robespierre was a zealot who got used by the bourgeois?

>>2631878
yeah, there's a growing consensus that he got hung out to dry by the rest of the government and part of that was that the other bourgeois thought he was annoying and also couldn't trust him because he actually wasn't corrupt which in that day and age whichever side you were on was outright freakish.

>>2629149
yeah for me those glowies fuck should clearly be banned on sight and their constant shitting up of the threads make me question the moderation

>>2629189
yeah honestly I still havent seen any criticism of maduro that wasnt "hes BAD and INCOMPETENT and his regime is CORRUPT" without any actual argument. What actual policy should he have done?

>>2629194
>bad currency management
oh yes I'm sure the US financial markets have absolutely nothing to do with this, and they're absolutely not connected to the government. Financial and commercial warfare? Whats this? Only when they announce the sanctions they're actually doing it!

>>2629208
>as a supposedly communist government
they're not communists
its more a radical socdem / national liberation vibe, although they claim to be socialists

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>>2629154
Stalin would have supported the USSR against dissolution, then after that happened, he would have supported former warsaw pact nations against "democratic" NATO expansion. Remember Ukraine also joined the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a NATO member. So he would have supported Iraq against the NATO coalition + Ukraine. He would have supported Ukraine against Euromaidan and Poroshenko's US backed coup. He would support Donbass and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime, and finally he would support Russia, Donbass, and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime and NATO expansion.

>>2629247
>they do not care about playing politics, it's all just spewing hatred at West/America/White people
I think you spend too much of your life on twitter and polyp spaces

>simping for every terrible asshole in the world
<anti-imperialism is "simping for every terrible asshole in the world"
<you should just accept the imperial narrative, im sure it wont bite you in the ass
ok glowie

>Does this occur to most Socialists though
you're just an ignorant idiot. You really think it didnt occur to anyone you fucking idiot? "Just split up the Atlanticist Western bloc bro". Even trump with all the might of his retard strength and open domination still hasnt managed to make eurobitches try to gain some independence, instead they fight among themselves to be the bottom bitch, thinking the minuscule communist multipolarist force could accomplish it (and yet they still try to agitate in that direction) is being completely deluded to the actual situation (which probably sum you up well).
also conflating "the left" "socialists" and "multipolarists" is ridiculous, those are not the same

>>2629154
If anything Stalin would've organized an overthrow of Georgia and form the Soviet Republic of Transcaucasia before supporting Russia or Ukraine. Soviet first

>>2629313
>Unconditional support to hurricanes
bro prays for bad weather and calls himself marxist

>>2631699
the russian government as it currently exists is a creation of NATO meddling in the first place. "Agency" discourse goes out the window when we're talking about byproducts of unipolar hegemony and overwhelming force.

>>2631702
Comparing Bolivia to Russia is like comparing a kitchen knife to a nuclear bomb
>>2631703
Clearly its not so unipolar if NATO is losing its proxy war

>>2631703
>agency discourse
jfc

>>2631699
i would characterize the ukraine conflict less as an "inter imperialist war" between russia and nato and more as as a conflict between a no-longer-obedient comprador bourgeoisie (russia) and a still-obedient comprador bourgeoisie (ukraine)
>>2631704
>Clearly its not so unipolar if NATO is losing its proxy war
yeah the age of unipolarity is dying, but russia as it currently exists is a byproduct of when that hegemony is unchallenged. You cry at the turning point. I've given you the timeline. Let me give it to you again. You ignore everything 1991 to 2022 and cry only about february 2022 onward. that is what the "zigger zigger zigger" nonsense is meant to do, flatten the real history in which the overwhelming responsibility for this conflict is NATO meddling, and blame it on russia. or, in the more clever version, call it an "inter imperialist war" between NATO and the people anti-"ziggers" were calling "a glorified gas station" just before the war.
>>2631705
why are you acting annoyed? it's a real thing. it's a common talking point. US meddles somewhere, and the mouthpieces of the billionaires say no, "the people" have rejected "the regime" and you need to respect their "agency."

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