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Zot, bn americains et bn amoureux de bn americaisn, zot pas seryer ditou. Zot bn fascistes. Zot zouir lor souffrance ti afrikain et ti zilwa. Zot pren plaisir ar nou. Zot envi ene ti socialisme copain-copine, zis entre grand nation maraz. Fer bour zot bn cossons.

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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Nostradumbass Edition


>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


💀 ICE & Prison Resources
(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/ – ICE tracker using public info and user submissions
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers – list of deaths at ICE concentration camps
https://mkorostoff.github.io/incarceration-in-real-numbers/ – visualization of prison population in US
https://www.organizingforpower.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Organizing-in-Jail.pdf – RANT Collective - Organizing in Prison — for when the walls close in
https://alcpress.org/usjails/index.html – database of U.S. facilities incl. ICE holding sites
https://www.prisonactivist.org/resources – list of prison related resources, mailing lists, etc
https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/Category:Agents – ICE Agent List (incomplete)
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>>2747275
Weird.
I get the sense this is true but that it’s also telling him what he wants to hear

all welcome at leftychan.net

>>2747354
>all welcome at leftychan.org
lmao its so ogre

>>2746658

Good idea. Housing is cheaper in Mexico anyway.

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>meanwhile in the site of US lefty-natoism.



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Epstein and Maxwell manipulated 4chan and Reddit respectively in order to fuel both sides of the "culture wars". Now they're fueling it once again in order to distract from the revelations that were in the files.
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>>2746684
That would be correct if yhey followed it to it's debord-ian conclusion : punish that 1% as a sacrificial lamb to appease the people.
But no, what they're showing is resignation : "what are you gonna do about it ?"
In that sense it does not actually do that at all, it just shows how the entire class is united together and thus can only recieve collective punishment

>>2684321
Yucky. But it is to be expected from celebrities.

>>2684644
/pol/ seethe fuels me
you are cattle for the elites

>>2746879

they are literally worse than redditors. At least redditors DID something by arming themselves and going to Ukkkraine. I don't support the decision but the closest /pol/ has ever gotten to battle is by being school shooters. pathetic

>>2746684
>>2746854
It may not have been a good slogan but at least it was better than "Check your privilege", "Read Settlers" and all the other CONINTELPRO bullshit that literally came from Wall Street.
>>2747454
>they are literally worse than redditors. At least redditors DID something by arming themselves and going to Ukkkraine. I don't support the decision but the closest /pol/ has ever gotten to battle is by being school shooters.
Fascists only ever go after the weak, that's why they're into mass shootings at schools, supermarkets and houses of worship. The only thing they're good for is death squads because a real military unit would utterly flatten them.



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what if thay give to power to the people helped start workers co-ops and killed any one that violates the nonaggression perincebal will be killed in the name of revenge witch is justice by the people by createing the cult of the self where everyone is the god of them selfs and self ownership is the law so that people are free and concent is king and people from unions of egoists where that trun there sosidty in to a contract blunt gritty and out in the open(low effort)

the Founding Fathers were slaver aristocrat scumbags who should have been lynched

If was a hypothetical that instead of being reeblicns thay
Where individual anarchists that either freed their slaves or got killed



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>Previous Bake
>>2745604

<Hide the Coffins Hide the Cameras Edition


This cringefest started for real this time on February 28
Fizzlers are on ackwatch

Latest News:
>F-35 ack'd by Iran
<Trump is hiding the coffins
>Bibi AI clone is in damage control mode
<Iran is increasing drone/missile strikes
>Oil rising except brent and WTI because logistics or something
<RT journo almost killed on purpose by JDAM
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>>2747963
>barbarians were
yes dialectics means repetition of core principles at a higher stage. aufheben = uplift and preserve not identicle repeat of historic events

>>2747948
no it is true. state is an organ for class rule proletarian republic is a transition when capitalism still exists globally. full communism is global, and stateless, abolition of classes precludes the existence of the state as such

>>2747945
>states also rely on the existence of capitalism
Capitalism only can exist within a state. It's the other way around. States exist since antiquity and are difficult to remove.

>>2747904
>wait i thought you liked him? are you also the person who cried about him all the time before tripfagging?
I have a love/hate relationship with Martyanov. I will never forgive him for calling Shoigu's firing as a "promotion". He was replaced by Belousov and given a position that is entirely dependent on informal connection which he is lacking therefore he was demoted. I agree with Martyanov's CV early life meme but I think he too has his blinders on.

>>2747680
>class war and history are (for now) the same thing
NTA but I've never understood this notion. marx says the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle. he said that because class struggle happens in all societies, because all societies so far are class societies. the part I have trouble with is the "history" part. History as an actual academic practice has actually notoriously been an enterprise of the privileged elites, the literate, the wealthy, and so the practitioners of history have actually been very good at covering up class war, and presenting history as a mere chronology of the deeds of wealthy, powerful, gifted, and famous individuals, and of "epic" events like wars and famines.



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Capitalism can only end when profit is no longer the incentive and is rendered useless, that requires either resource depletion or a change of the MOP as to underminet he cost of labour and the need for employed labour.

Never in history has a mode of production been forcefully "fought" and replaced, there was no capitalist movement to end the feudal mode of production, nor for any in the history of civilization. Communism is a bourgeois movement that postures as the real process of change, when change can only come when the mode of production runs its course.

There is only one thing that people who want change can do - they can wait.

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>>2721198
Who wrote about abolishing the feudal mode of production 200 years prior to industrialization? Thats what we're at with Marx, and 200 years later it is still the capitalist mode of production. Where were their analyists? Where were their great men? Which was the great capitalist nation that fell during feudalism only for capitalism to come to be later? What was their USSR?

>>2721198
There was no capitalist movement during feudalism, it all came to be after the industrial revolution, which was spontaneous as a result of random smart asses rediscovering the steam engine. The bourgeois didn't have to suffer like we did, they got it all handed to them right there and then.

>>2721229
>What was their USSR?
technically speaking the dutch republic, more accurately parliamentarian england during the civil war, for a good while afterward a large amount of reforms were placed in to reduce the growing tide of liberal capitalist reform, like in france, parts of germany, etc, it was only in the latter half of the 18th century that liberal capitalism started to be a real force

uygha they spent centuries theorizing liberalism before the feudal order actually fell wtf is everyone talking abt

>>2721230
>there was no capitalist movement
what was the enlightenment?

It was the liberal movement, it didnt call itself a "capitalist" movement



 

What are your thoughts on the RCP/RCA/RCI? They seem to be the only communist group that's actively trying to organize near me but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
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>>2726858
That's some cool surface level insight you have on the ACP. Completely unrelated to this thread though. Especially since the US Section of the RCI is even more of a laughing stock compared to it's european counterparts.

>>2726876
Which one? Can i read it online?


>>2727001
dude ACP has absolutely no grounds to mock the RCI lol

>>2731342
Some Trots are alright. You guys have the best Newspaper where i live. The Tankies have one that is alright too but noone reads it.

>>2731834
Maybe not the RCI as a whole but the RCA are a complete joke.

recently some iranian immigrant joined the party and he had just immigranted 4 months ago
He instantly talked about overthrowing capitalism, not just sectors in it, but the whole.
So…….. is the guy a spy….?.?



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I make a living off daytrading stocks, I'm not a millionaire but I consider myself comfortable, I enjoy what I do and like the freedom it brings me but even then I understand it's parasitical and doesn't really provide any value to society, I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.

what will happen to people like me if the US empire falls? from what I understand the financial world is pure bullshit that syphons money from real industries through exploitation, tech, stocks, crypto, AI, it all depends on the ability of the empire to exploit the third world.

what happens when the exploitation stops and the world starts running on a real economy based on labour instead of speculation? do construcion workers get huge raises and people like me end up in the streets? can traders and speculators be useful in socialism?
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>>2729998
>daytrading
what's the start up cost and should I take a course or something like that first?

t. lazy pothead

>>2747595
its unironically gambling and that anon is more likely than not lying

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>>2747595
the startup cost is everything you have, eventually.

courses are scams. you don't need to pay someone else to teach you to yeet all your money into the ether. you can download robinhood and be down everything forever within the day. leverage it with loans (free money) and you can be a debt-slave for NOTHIN, not even a degree or new car or whatever the fuck people live to die for now.

"call put low high sell buy resist trend" - there's literally every course right there, print these words out, cut them up, shuffle them, and recite whatever combination comes up when you're confused. this is technical anylysis, it will banish the money demons confusing you. the only thing else you really need to know is to try to split your trade into as many trades as possible so that the amount that goes to fees is fucking insane, but that's only if you want to. the financiers need fed too, but it does look way cooler if you blow it all in one fucking go.

>>2747595
pay for a course, it will speed up your progress

>>2729998
>I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.
You are providing allocation mechanism for capital to grown large and fat.



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According to CNN (If you can trust them) only 38% of Americans support Trump, that is small compared to the majority but that still means that 129 Million people support Trump after everything. And I genuinely don’t know how, because there are many rich country-club republicans who support him and it makes sense for them by why rural Appalachian farmers support him?!?! And they don’t just support him, they would literally die for this man, they are hive-minded-cattle, many boomers literally don’t speak to their children who don’t support Trump. I don’t even think similar populist strong-men like Putin have supporters like this (Correct me if I’m wrong). Like maybe you could say that Mao, Castro, Tito, Nasser, or Kim Il-Sung had ride or die supporters like this but that makes sense because they improved the lives of their people, Trump has not improved the lives of the working people at all, like what does a rural, Appalachian, Gen X, farmer get out of supporting Trump? Trump just made this hypothetical person unable to go to a nearby hospital, unable to by affordable gas or fertilizer, and in his first term Trump killed his mom with Covid.
I know that many will reply “They’re stupid don’t try to dissect it” but I will anyways.
First of all for decades the Republican Party and even the Democratic Party has gutted education in order to make these people stupid.
Second of all whenever something is bad Trump gives them an explanation weather it be Brown people, trans people, or Chyna, it is bullshit but democrats which are the only other option and they don’t provide any explanation, and since they are uneducated and lack critical thinking skills they buy Trumps shit.
Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Fourth of all Trump is a Slopulist and he larps as Anti-Elitist during his elections by calling out lobbyists and industrial complexes but goes back on it when he is back in office.
Fifth of all, boomers are stuck-up and don’t want to admit when they have been bamboozled so they think that they have no choice but to keep supporting him.
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>>2740177
You are a dumb inbred redditor


>>2740149
>Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Having this Deliverance-ass classist snobbery towards these kinds of people is pretty much the easiest big reason, first of all, why these people would rather die than be Left-wing. They care about their roots and have a deep pride in that. People talk about traumatic Small Town American culture and act like somehow we are worse than everyone else. Lmao, are you blind or sheltered?
Trump spoke to their needs, something Democrats haven't done. They've internalized that, economically, they're just in their own. Actual socialist policies that would've helped them have been totally delegitimized in their eyes. But these people are not stupid just because they don't look at life through your academic worldview.
>culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one ever wants to slap someone shit into these people.
The fact that the people who are overwhelmingly compared to Suburbia veterans with more experience with violence generally have not actually formed the Right-Wing Death Squads and made it impossible for you to ever leave the city limits in spite of the fact that, from their point of view, Leftists literally hate them because they exist (in essence) should say a lot more about the fact that they are capable of being respectful.
We didn't wake up one day in this political climate and the Right definitely didn't start it. It started with Democrats race-baiting, which created this blowback, which inevitably just serves to further undermine any attempt at getting these people even a smidgen of class consciousness.
How about this for a fucking start: quit looking down your nose at these people and understand them. Matter of fact just stay in your lane because you're just going to do more harm than good to those of us from these cultures who are trying to make any real change.
Once upon a time, Appalachia for example was literally forming guerilla bands to fight the fucking army over Coal Mines. Maybe ask what happened there, and then keep studying it from your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2740272
>hahaha Americans are all evil, everything about them is evil, they have no redeeming qualities what so ever, i'm gonna shit all over the father of their country
>why do Americans hate us and not want to entertain Leftism?
Jesus - at least the Alt-Right can understand why most Americans don't want to give credence to them, or could back when they still mattered. The lack of self awareness - whew, lad.

>>2740149
Euro-Americans are völkerabfälle, non-historic peoples and cannot seize power. Euro-America forms the cast-off ruins of European nations. However, by the nature of their struggles against oppression, the non-white American nations have formed historical nations. Urban Euro-America is being absorbed into the progressive non-white American nations at a much faster pace than the non-historical rural Euro-America. Urban America also has much more material options for women's independence.

It's a mistake to assume that non-historic peoples are always reactionary but in many situations and times they can become quite reactionary. Everything that Engels said about the Slavs really applies to Euro-America.



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>Previous bread
>>2744263

AY MACARENA Edition
/Iran/ Emergency bake is over, things returning to normal

Latest News:
>Iran has confirmed the Israeli killing of Intelligence Minister Esmail Khatib in an overnight attack, marking the third assassination of a high-ranking Iranian official in two days.
<Mojtaba Khamenei, Iran’s new supreme leader, has said “criminal murderers” must pay for the officials’ killings.
>Iran vowed a response after gas facilities associated with the offshore South Pars field, the largest gasfield in the world, came under attack.
<The IRGC has launched attacks on a number of energy sites in Gulf countries, including Qatar’s Ras Laffan gas facility, where authorities reported significant damage, and at the United Arab Emirates’ Habshan ⁠gas facility, where operations were suspended.
>Meanwhile, oil prices keep spiking: Brent crude futures, the benchmark for global prices, topped $108 a barrel, up 4.92 percent, while US crude rose to $98 a barrel, up 1.86 percent.

>Important Links:

https://www.flightradar24.com/
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>>2746749
>he's gonna keep digging
figures

arab elites are seethe hard over this

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>>2746733
"DUDE FOR EPSTEIN, BRO"

Those weird fucking Netanyahu videos are being put out with AI just to see what they need to fine-tune when they make AI deepfakes

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