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AI is labour. [Welcome to hell.] Anonymous 17-02-26 07:34:34 No.2694130[Reply]

>"As a leader, one of the things that you need to understand is you need to stop looking at generative AI and AI and AI agents and all these things as just technical things that you go and approach. You need to think of them fundamentally differently. And I think the model you need to think of is that AI is labor. You wanna think about AI as the future that you use to augment your workforce and to give your workforce additional capacity. Every person in your workforce is going to be using AI to give them additional labor to support them. They're gonna become leaders. Now, some people think, well, this AI stuff, it's only really isolated to certain specific roles."

Dr. Jules White
Professor of Computer Science
University of Maryland, College Park
Vanderbilt University

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Anonymous 20-02-26 14:33:16 No.2697926

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>>2697573
>why is agriculture and mining subject to marginal effects (ground rent) but spinning and weaving supposedly are not? the simplest explanation is that both groups are subject to the same law
the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output:
<The introduction of power-looms into England probably reduced by one-half the labour required to weave a given quantity of yarn into cloth. The hand-loom weavers, as a matter of fact, continued to require the same time as before; but for all that, the product of one hour of their labour represented after the change only half an hour’s social labour, and consequently fell to one-half its former value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm

Glownonymous 21-02-26 00:20:29 No.2698570

>>2697926
>the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output
that's the opposite of a marginal effect. marginal effects increase the value of a commodity. this is the essence of ground rent. but, investment lowers the value of a commodity. the latter is what Marx is saying in your quote. both effects are neatly covered by optimization theory. it can be summarized thusly:
>value is marginal in the absence of technical change
the value of a commodity goes up the more commodities are produced
>technical change brings about economics of scale
the value of a commodity goes down the more commodities are produced
both statements above are true. it's dialectical you see

Anonymous 21-02-26 00:51:32 No.2698588

>>2694130
he seems to have misspelled project Cybersyn

Anonymous 21-02-26 08:31:10 No.2698989

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Anonymous 22-02-26 09:42:41 No.2700364

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>>2695337
>Open AI advertising on LinkedIn doesn't mean shit. I
>>2695380
>but it wouldn't be the AI "selling it's service" obviously

You're not getting it. AI that is cognitively capable of selling itself is labour. It's not capital like a rented machine. The same AI is also capable of being a capitalist. I am really disturbed by how the board has retreated into pedantry over this. Refusal to concede that artificial labour is here is ceding the issue to the Epstein class.

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-agent-rentahuman-bots-hire-humans/
>For centuries, people have catastrophized about robots taking away jobs. On February 1, the paradigm shifted: bots are creating jobs. Now, 518,284 humans—and rapidly counting—are offering their labor to AI agents on a new online marketplace called RentAHuman. There are classifieds to count pigeons in Washington ($30/hour); deliver CBD gummies ($75/hour); play exhibition badminton ($100/hour); and anything else you could possibly imagine that a disembodied agent couldn’t do.

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/USApol/ Anonymous 21-02-26 05:22:34 No.2698833[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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Anonymous 22-02-26 01:05:01 No.2699893

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>>2699884
trvke

Anonymous 22-02-26 01:27:17 No.2699917

>>2699745
>>2699783

eh, at least they accept that 'Lenin testament' is most likely a forgery.

Anonymous 22-02-26 03:37:56 No.2700043

>>2699745
Speaking as an MIA volunteer, you really can't accuse the organization of being owned / run / dominated by Trotskyists at this point in time. They sort of were back in the site's glory days of 1998-2003ish, when a lot of the front-facing editorial content was drawn up; there was never a partisan commitment to Trotskyism, but a majority of volunteers were Trotskyists (or more often ex-Trotskyists; refugees from collapsed Trot parties like Gerry Healy's WRP played an outsize role), and the collective did not object to editorial content denigrating "Stalin and Mao" specifically.

Nowadays tho, I can say that there are several seemingly Marxist-Leninist volunteers active, and everyone, even the professed Trotskyists, tend to treat Soviet-model states with a less judgmental stance in new editorial content. I can't say anything more specific than that because there isn't much in the way of a collective editorial policy at all these days: everyone tends to their own little private plot of webpages, while the Steering Committee email list stays silent for weeks at a time.

Anonymous 22-02-26 05:22:54 No.2700207

>>2699880
and the circus sucks ass

Anonymous 22-02-26 05:27:12 No.2700214

>>2699819
>Catholikkk calling others 'nonsocal idealists'
You are dim

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"Communism destroys culture" Anonymous 21-02-26 22:19:39 No.2699736[Reply]

I keep hearing the claim that "communism destroys culture," but every time I look into the culture that communism supposedly destroyed, it was either
a) That countries most reactionary religious institutions
and/or
b) Some shit like "Flay a Gypsy Day"

The closest thing to it that I'm aware of was the Cultural Revolution when the Red Guards started going full ISIS mode and smashed up some historical artifacts, but even then they were hardly trying to end Chinese culture. Once again, if people say that communism "destroyed Chinese culture" they typically mean shit like ending the influence of Confucianism or shit like foot binding.

Are there any examples of Communists actually destroying a nation's culture?

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Anonymous 22-02-26 00:54:18 No.2699873

>>2699861
>loves animals
>hates actual humans and wants to genocide them
…was hitler a liberal

Glownonymous 22-02-26 00:54:58 No.2699875

>muh culture
its always the petit bourgeois having endless debates about ideology. why the fuck do you think communists use the term "culture war" derogatorily? hint: its in the first word!!

>>2699861
>>2699873
no wonder redditors performatively love heccin pupperinos so much but will not even flinch whenever humans suffer

Anonymous 22-02-26 00:56:10 No.2699877

The biggest cultural revolution is the us pushing its culture in the world.
Now thsts being undone cause everyone thinks murica is lame.

Glownonymous 22-02-26 00:58:05 No.2699879

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>>2699736
It isn't the job of communists to defend traditions and culture, quite the opposite in fact. Avanti barbari, and all that.

Exactly why so many so-called communists believe that preserving half-dead, forgotten cultures is a goal for the labour movement is absolutely incomprehensible to me. As if you can just will a culture into existence, or insist that it survive.

Anonymous 22-02-26 01:02:09 No.2699885

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>>2699736
They're talking about things like fancy ritual pagenty, as if they've existed unchanged for 2000 years. But they just make this shit up as they go along.

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Marco Rubio Munich Speech Thread Anonymous 20-02-26 23:56:44 No.2698545[Reply]

Rubio has made a declaration of war.

North America, Western Europe, South Korea and Japan, and Oceania. The Western empire. The NATO bloc. The triad.

The enemy is on a path to genocide The Americas, Africa and Asia, and all its peoples unless their leaders do not submit towards this new hyper-imperialist order, this return to formal colonies of an official colonies, as neo-colonialism and 21st century imperialism weaken with the decline of empire and usurping of multipolarity.

“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.” - Gramsci

Relevant videos:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QNnDWfTD3ds (Speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mWRy7A1cJI (GPER)

Relevant articles:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/western-revival-or-colonial-reboot-rubios-munich-doctrine-exposed/
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Anonymous 21-02-26 20:19:06 No.2699582

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>>2698592
>imperialism
>great imperialism
>ultra imperialism
>hyper imperialism
>master imperialism
>…

Anonymous 21-02-26 20:47:44 No.2699608

>>2698592
>six independent socialist countries
>venezuela
embarassing. yes I know this was published in 2024.

Glownonymous 21-02-26 21:43:56 No.2699687

>>2698592
>>2699608
What's funny is they put South Korea, a first-world partner of American imperialism, in the Global South category, but countries like Serbia and Bosnia in the Global North.

Anonymous 21-02-26 23:17:41 No.2699797

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMx6AZmxNqM

Ursula is smiling from cheek to cheek 😭

Anonymous 21-02-26 23:48:41 No.2699825

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>>2699687
lmfao??? I'm willing to bet S.Korea is further right and more pro-US than Japan is on average.
And I love the NPA as much as the next guy but lets not pretend anything about what kind of work they have ahead of them.
I mean, this author basically sees China as the vanguard of the global south, the model for the rest of humanity, and yet says most Filipinos are aligned with this movement??? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us???

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Glownonymous 19-02-26 21:38:27 No.2697252[Reply]

We can't just demand the number one now! We need incremental progress first! And look, it's close to the number one than any previous time in history! We're getting there soon!

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Glownonymous 20-02-26 01:03:30 No.2697588

>>2697583
you hear what op said far more often from commonplace liberals but its pretty funny how disconnected from reality you are that your first thought is leftypol beefs

Anonymous 20-02-26 01:16:26 No.2697601

>>2697588
but arent dengoids and MLoids kind of libbed out too? whats the difference?

Anonymous 20-02-26 17:45:42 No.2698189

>>2697430
>Seems like he was wrong then.
This. So much this

Anonymous 20-02-26 17:50:25 No.2698192

>>2697252
>>2697272
>>2697274

let's read them:

>To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.

<Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890

>Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

<Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

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Anonymous 21-02-26 22:33:07 No.2699751

>>2698192
>>2697252
You are forgetting that it is mandatory to build forces within a working-class party independent of the bourgeoisie, and the reforms must be radical to intensify the class struggle and not to create complacency. This means that all pensions must be removed from the private sector to be under the control of the workers, outside of profit, as a public right; all costs must be transferred to the capitalists; and any indirect tax on workers' consumption must be abolished.

First, I will state the Marxist position on how to act in an election in bourgeois democracy:

<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.
<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Anonymous 21-02-26 19:03:13 No.2699501[Reply]

If i were in the us and broke id go to the local communist chapter and just get a red card. Fuck that shit.
>but idk what to do
Just sit down a listen you dont even have to think.

Glownonymous 21-02-26 19:05:29 No.2699509

>if i were to lose my petit bourgeois position and join the proletariat id go to the most advanced section of the proletariat
ok duhhhhhhhh??

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Anonymous 09-01-26 19:49:59 No.2637593[Reply]

>gives Israel all of Syria's positions in case Assad gets toppled
>lifts its airspace for Israeli air force in Syria
>tries to use Iran situation to achieve its own ends
>distances itself from Hamas after Oct. 7th
>supported the war on terror
This is why I'm not rootin for Putin.

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Anonymous 21-02-26 13:15:24 No.2699073

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>>2640609

Anonymous 21-02-26 13:24:05 No.2699077

>>2698783
even if palestinians gave half their country away voluntarily it would have changed nothing, things would have played out the same way:
1. occupation of negev mirrors the way jews were settled in europe (pale of settlement) by russian empire with europeans being resettled to far east (gaza strip in palestinian case) and jews were settled into their homes
it is not a new experience, it's already an established pattern
2. with the leverage the jews have on the world hegemon (actually both of them in case the other one won the cold war) they would have found an excuse their invasive actions in the levant either way

Anonymous 21-02-26 13:27:07 No.2699079

the only way to prevent zionist wars was to settle jews on an island somewhere remote like madagascar
poles are proven right yet again

Anonymous 21-02-26 14:44:49 No.2699114

>>2699079
Have pity on native Madagascar people.

Anonymous 21-02-26 18:58:32 No.2699489

>>2699079
Indians love Israelis. Israel should have been located in India.

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Japanese cuckolding thread Anonymous 21-02-26 17:22:01 No.2699297 [Reply]

Whats the material condition that Japan is the biggest cucks in planet?

>sucks of USA despite nuking them twice
>let the US destroy their golden age economic boob
>has highest Netorare porn/hentai fetish
>made a garbage paypig Rent a Girlfriend anime 5 seasons

Theres no nation bigger cucks than them

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Anonymous 21-02-26 17:55:11 No.2699361

japan is fine with being buckbroken as long as it's not china doing it, the current situation in japon makes sense when you understand this.

racism, fascism and nationalism will do that shit to you, you will be so focused in spiting the blood enemy that you forget to take care of your own people, just retarded really, evil and retarded.

Anonymous 21-02-26 18:20:29 No.2699399

According to Dugin, the Japanese culture is about Samurai loyalty. As in, the USA is their lord and their national values dictate they must have loyalty to their lord even until the bitter end.

Anonymous 21-02-26 18:40:01 No.2699445

They love NTR.
What happened in MDD? I only watched the first season

Anonymous 21-02-26 18:41:35 No.2699451

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>>2699399
>they must have loyalty … until the … end.

Anonymous ## Mod 21-02-26 18:46:39 No.2699463

Moved to >>>/siberia/760573.

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Trump's Board of Peace Nations Glownonymous 21-02-26 01:21:45 No.2698614[Reply]

Belarus, Vietnam, Uzbekistan, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Indonesia…
WTF?
LOL?
Explanation?
This looks incredibly random. Why did these join the Trump union? How do you explain the "AES" Vietnam being in the Trump union? Or the China-influenced Mongolia? Or Russia-influenced central asian countries? What gives?
Let me guess, you're all going to say its 5D chess.

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schizonymous 21-02-26 16:38:07 No.2699190

The Board of Peace is literally full of Trumpist™ schizos and only 1 sane country -

Shqiperise. Or Albania to the regular normie

schizonymous 21-02-26 16:40:32 No.2699193

Trump truly is a fucking narcissist who wants everything the way he wants. I wanted communism to return to Bulgaria but we can't get everything ffs just go eat the bugs

Anonymous 21-02-26 17:01:08 No.2699222

>>2699062
I don't think any of those countries are complicit in this plan anyways. More like some Israeli official looked at a list of "Muslim" countries and selected the ones that he thought were the most pro-Western.

Anonymous 21-02-26 17:06:08 No.2699235

Why did the viets go for it?
Especially if they pad?

Anonymous 21-02-26 17:10:50 No.2699252

>>2699235
Nobody paid yet and all were invited, afaik. Unless this idiocy proves to be useful in one way or another none of the Premium™ members are going to pay the fee next year and it will just be forgotten with the end of Trump's presidency.

As for Vietnam, burgers have been trying hard to drive a wedge between them and China for decades now with no real effects.

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If you think revolution is impossible in the USA then you're not a marxist Anonymous 20-02-26 19:12:08 No.2698231[Reply]

for socialism to have any future at all, America has to be the site of the next revolution, it can't be the third world or anywhere else. The post war 20th century taught us that every third world revolution will just get immediately crushed by US imperialism and the last revolutionary remnants in cuba and venzuela are being suffocated. Doomers and third-worldists have no answer for this

>but american workers are reactionary!!!
not true at all really, your average american prole are gen z and millenial service workers who hate rich people. If Somehow the bolsheviks were able to convince highly religious and reactionary russian workers to support them then american workers will be easy.
>but american workers are bought off!!!
American cost of living makes any salary premium pointless. neither party has a solution and americans are increasingly dissilisioned with both parties.
>White people are too racist for revolution!!
White workers in minneapolis are literally fighting and getting shot in the streets for mexican immigrant workers. Additionally patriotism is at all time lows, and especially for gen Z, meanwhile in pre-2008 times patriotism was basically universal and bipartisan
>But the state is too strong!
in 2020 protesters literally forced trump to retreat to the whitehouse bunker and most police and national guard forces pulled out or were forced to stand down. Additionally the rank and file of the US military is disproportionately minority and younger and not heavily invested in US empire and is just there to sit on base all day and get paid a shitty paycheck, meanwhile their superior officers are mostly older and white and getting payed way more breeding resentment.

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Glownonymous 21-02-26 09:08:42 No.2699011

>>2699006

it does seem like if the power of the american government transformed to socialism it would be a major boost to international socialism……?

Anonymous 21-02-26 10:21:36 No.2699027

>>2699011
exactly, imagine all of the wealth of the american bourgoeisie seized and nationalized by the workers, imagine how powerful the american workers state would be. and with american capital out of the picture, bourgeoise governments around the world would fall like dominoes

Anonymous 21-02-26 12:44:23 No.2699066

Its not impossible the illusion the us state has a deep security spparatus is intertia from back when it could afford it. Reality will set in in the near future the us is broke and cant afford to protect itself snd then itll be disorganized chaos from inside the boarder and across it.

Anonymous 21-02-26 13:07:09 No.2699071

>>2699066
It's the workers that are "broke", the US is far from being broke.

Anonymous 21-02-26 13:18:56 No.2699074

>>2699071
Its debt is now unpayable. Tge state is cutting military benefits and relying on volunteers for ice. It doesnt matter how wealthy the upper 20% are they wont pay for it.

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