/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2421281
>>2421274
yeah im sorry but without further information i am not going to believe one photo and the fucking Miami Herald, and even in that article they suggest the reasoning may have been epstein looking for somewhere to flee before his trial. it is not even clear whether castro knew the details about that trial or epstein in general, and if he did he was in the minority considering per the miami heralds own report, the man that traveled there with epstein allegedly did not know about lolita express etc. even if that guys lying, it was a credible enough lie prior to epsteins 2019 arrest where almost no one knew the name jeffrey epstein, that castro as head of state and diplomatic representative meeting with him once under ambiguous circumstances in 2003, means absolutely nothing until some further information can be provided

>>2421281
>revisionist was a possible pedophile
ml cope incoming

>>2421421
So you are a fellow Branca enjoyer, I see

>>2421421
oh yeah I love Glenn Branca as well (funnily enough also ties into Debord with "The Spectacular Commodity, Post Rock is a Leftcom genre truly), but check the dates, Return of the Durutti Column came first.
>>2421529
/leftypol/ is a Branca site

>>2421274
>Just accept The Return of the Durutti Column
<anarchists think they are at all relevant
lol
>just replicating Petite-Bourgeois nationalism
Self proclaimed anarchists do this repeatidly for US imperialism. Also Noam Chomsky also met with Epstein so hey, revionist MLs and anarchists do have something in common after all!

>>2398972
When I saw the NOI guy in the thumbnail I knew the doc was going to be trash.

>>2387170
Yes to all.

>>2411972
That’s why the entire system must be destroyed.

You think Harvey Weinstein was the Voldemort of Hollywood and now peace has been restored? Lmao Big Harv was just one,single, guy. There are thousands of Harvies, the rest are just better at covering their tracks

>>2421785
This

>>2420538
Let's first take three quotes from Marx and Engels about how communists should act during an election in a bourgeois democracy:

<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.

<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have its goal and its own policy.

<The political freedoms, the right of assembly and association, and the freedom of the press — those are our weapons. Are we to sit back and abstain while somebody tries to rob us of them? It is said that a political act on our part implies that we accept the exiting state of affairs. On the contrary, so long as this state of affairs offers us the means of protesting against it, our use of these means does not signify that we recognise the prevailing order.
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>>2421705
>Your subjective disinterest in Queer people being able to survive, and the state directing public educators to root out and place Queer children in harmful situations, does not override the objective reality that this directly harms working class kids and parents
I am queer, and the fact is that virtually every successful socialist revolution took power without even acknowledging queer people at best, and being actively hostile to them at worst. I'm against the anti-queer policies of the American regime obviously, but the fact is that we're just not that important as a demographic. The revolution will not succeed or fail on the basis of our participation.
>On the operational level, it created chaos at the last moment which we seriously didn't need.
Fair enough.
>Secondly, it damaged the branch's ability to position themselves as being in the lead of that struggle
Assuming you're correct that doing this action would have successfully done this (instead of alienating itself by overshooting the level of militancy that the people you're trying to reach are prepared to accept), I'd again say that queer issues are simply not something that is worth attracting police attention over. At least for a communist party that is. Our priority should be advancing the worker's struggle, and queer issues are frankly tangential to this at best.
>This can have negative effects on things like electoral work
That's a huge understatement. Openly embracing and claiming responsibility for illegal actions could destroy the ability to operate openly at all. It could quickly lead to a terrorist or criminal organization label. In that situation the party would need to go underground and either abandon legal operation altogether, or else create a front organization that would not claim responsibility or affiliation with illegal actions anyways.
>but have an overall positive strategic effect by winning the support of workers and exposing the opportunism of their class enemies.
This assumes that the workers we're trying to reach will be inspired and galvanized by displays of militancy and illegalism, but I'm not at all convinced that this is the case currently. Revolutionary consciousness emePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2421810
You are correct to call out the lack of political independence of the DSA, ACP, and CPUSA, but ultimately you make a dogmatic argument with
>the PSL party demonstrates its superiority over these other parties by conforming to what is acceptable to Marx and Engels.
This is nonsense. Marx and Engels, alongside every other revolutionary leader, is only powerful insofar as their insights can be creatively applied to concrete conditions. Don't forget these same quotes were utilized not just for revolutionary purposes, but to defend the revisionism of Kautsky and others. On the flip side, abstention from electoral politics, when used intelligently, has produced positive results at certain moments in revolutionary history. "Freedom of the press" today has totally different relevance in that the press has undergone a process of monopolization in the period of imperialism. The bourgeois class and their states have a grip on the press that simply didn't exist in Marx's time, and the internet is not in a state where it can remedy that issue. "Freedom of the press" has become another fictitious "freedom" in imperialist society, like the "freedom" of a McDonalds worker to buy Twitter.

PSL has demonstrated a surge past CPUSA and DSA recently on the streets, but not in a way that genuinely breaks with their deviations. It's little more than a reiteration of the practice of the WWP under Sam Marcy's Trotskyism. "Empty militancy" as one comrade in the 70s put it. PSL is essentially what the CPUSA would be if it pretended to uphold the Black belt thesis again.

>>2421819
>I am queer
Good for you.
>the fact is that virtually every successful socialist revolution took power without even acknowledging queer people at best
>[Therefore] the revolution will not succeed or fail on the basis of our participation.
This is a form of normalcy bias — "since X hasn't occurred then it will never occur" — that again extends from dogmatism. I have not claimed that Queer people are the sole factor which will make or break revolution. Queer oppression, like racism, sexism, etc. is an expression of the class strugPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2422394
You're completely wrong because Kautsky was making excuses for the passivity of workers to reach conciliation in his state by failing to see that the state is an instrument created by the irreconcilability of the property-owning classes and the propertyless workers, which is created by private property in the formation of social classes. Therefore, the state is an instrument of one class to oppress another. You can read about this in the text "State and Revolution." Another error of Kautsky's is co-opting workers by not taking a firm stance against the imperialist finance capital of his bourgeois state, which, combined with the superstition of the reformist state, became a subtle justification for opportunism.

The position of Marx and Engels is also the position of the Bolsheviks and Lenin on how to act in a bourgeois democracy to politicize and polarize the working population in organizing against the propaganda of the hegemony of the capitalist ruling class. Even if there is a mass of workers who do not care about so-called "politics," all of this person's ideas are still stuck on what the capitalist class and its agents regurgitate in their propaganda as "common sense" for the masses. In addition, complacent and apathetic workers are still stuck with superstitions of the bourgeois state and therefore are not willing to abolish it because they still believe in lies that there is a pure or fair capitalism or naturalize all of this as if it were a meritocracy. This is why all faith in the bourgeois state must be broken with the propaganda of communists who will take this bourgeois state to its limit, decreasing the rate of profit of the capitalists, leading to a revolutionary crisis where the communist revolution can be initiated with the preparation of the workers to implement the dictatorship of the proletariat where the The proletariat must acquire its political domination to initiate the revolutionary terror of expropriations, occupations, collectivizations, and socializations to crush the capitalists, landowners, speculators, and all their counterrevolutionary agents, apologists for the bourgeois state who deny the supremacy of the proletariat, which will liberate the working classes, abolish private property, the anarchy of production, and the social classes of owners.

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>>2422394
Continuing what I've been saying:>>2424122

Now with a quote about the labor aristocracy:

<In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 1881, Engels speaks about “those very worst English trade unions which allow themselves to be led by men sold to, or at least paid by, the bourgeoisie.” In a letter to Kautsky, dated September 12, 1882, Engels wrote: “You ask me what the English workers think about colonial policy. Well, exactly the same as they think about politics in general. There is no workers’ party here, there are only Conservatives and Liberal-Radicals, and the workers gaily share the feast of England’s monopoly of the world market and the colonies.”

<On December 7, 1889, Engels wrote to Sorge: “The most repulsive thing here [in England] is the bourgeois ‘respectability’, which has grown deep into the bones of the workers…. Even Tom Mann, whom I regard as the best of the lot, is fond of mentioning that he will be lunching with the Lord Mayor. If one compares this with the French, one realises, what a revolution is good for, after all.”[10] In a letter, dated April 19, 1890: “But under the surface the movement [of the working class in England] is going on, is embracing ever wider sections and mostly just among the hitherto stagnant lowest [Engels’s italics] strata. The day is no longer far off when this mass will suddenly find itself, when it will dawn upon it that it itself is this colosPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Бамп наследниками товарища Ильина

Некая блогерша Мария Шалаева похвасталась, что слетала в закрытый аэропорт Ростова на военном самолёте вместе с сыном и «человеком из Кремля». Позже она удалила видео, но в Сети остались его отрывки, в том числе с… кадрами секретных полётных карт.

По её словам, самолёты туда летают, но «не все и не для всех». Кто именно был её спутником, она не сказала, только отметила, что это не военный и не ФСБшник, назвав его «Мистером Икс».

После резонанса в соцсетях генерал-майор авиации Владимир Попов сообщил, что будет проведена проверка. Он подчеркнул, что Минобороны РФ не оставит ситуацию без реакции.

Разбираться будут не только с блогершей, но и с экипажем, который пустил гражданских на борт. По имеющимся у СМИ данным, к «Мистеру Икс» уже пришли на работу.

Бамп во имя самого свободного и дешевого интернета

Выше

Путин передал орден Ленина для замдиректора ЦРУ по цифровым инновациям Джулиане Галлине. Её 21-летний сын Майкл Глосс в 2024 году погиб в Донецкой области, участвуя в боевых действиях на стороне России. Об этом сообщает CBS News со ссылкой на источники.

Did you know:
1. Kruschev was the protege of Lazar Kaganovich, both former governors of Kiev.
2. Kruschev and Kaganovich are accused by several historians of poisoning Stalin.
3. Kaganovich sold the grain stolen during the Holodomor in a deal brokered by J Edgar Hoover at the height of the US dustbowl years.
4.Hoover was under control of the Brooklyn Mob, a Ukrainian dominated Ashkanazi mafia.
5. Following Stalins death Kaganovich retired to Vilnius to oversee the education of his nephew/godson Mikhail Kaganovich who's father, also Mikhail was personally shot by Stalin for collaboration in a coup plot.
6. Lazars nephew following his degree in classical history went to Athens University where his name morphed to Donald Kagan.
7. Donald Kagans sons Robert and Frederick Kagan currently head the Brooklyn Mob, Robert being married to Victoria Nuland and Frederick to Kimberly Kagan, founder of the Institute for the Study of War. Together they have a stranglehold on policy education at West Point, Colombia, Harvard, Yale and Berkley.

>>2423003
>Overwhelmingly majority of right-wingers are hetero males
WRONG. Inside every right-wing hetero male is a gay left-wing trans woman yearning for freedom. And to free that gay trans woman is state mandated gay sex at the local sissification re-education camp at the numerically numbered gay city in accordance with JDPON law.

>>2423929
Well, it seems I've given this thread a quite different - and more interesting - spin.
I remember the name Junko. Red Kahina too. We are talking about the pre-Corona Pandemonium era IIRC. Peter Coffin? Isn't he some youtuber that for some reason got into Caleb's orbit? I definitely remember he had a female companion with considerable breasts, no doubt, but I also remember someone saying they had broken up at some point - if Peter is the guy I'm talking about. Shoe? I really don't remember her posting here. By sheer coincidence, her name got to my attention a few days ago after years I didn't heard about her. Appartently she's getting back to social media after a period of inactivity.

>>2423934
Don't remember that one, sorry.

>>2423935
Don't remember this one either.

>>2423941
I vaguely remember a Vietnamese girl. I've been shitposting for seven years now and I can't point her to a specific era - aside form the generic "old" /leftypol/ really. But I thought the other girl was Shay and I didn't now there was some samefagging going on.

This shit ass bait tier thread still up? What the fuck? Where's the mod?

Sage

>>2412930
Cars and trains are the past. Socialism is the future. It will bring us transport by suction tube from the Jetsons.

>>2413513
Will their be suction for my penis?

>>2412930
Distinctions between town/city and country/rural areas should be sublated altogether. Major advancements in public transportation are a crucial part, so I don't care that much about "people-oriented infrastructure" outside of more train lines.

>$800 million for bike paths!
As opposed to $800 million for police.

>>2414083
I remember reading about a peasant revolt, can't remember what it was called but it was a big famous one, but basically they hated the local barons or whatever and sought help from the king. The peasant leaders met with the king and were slaughtered in ambush.

I'm not if people nowadays have a much better political understanding than those naive peasants.

>>2414017
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>>2415950
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt
maybe the peasants revolt of england, remember hearing similar things.i mean you see it with some MAGA people who still think of poor ol' trump being miseld by neocons.

>>2415947
It's a vampire. Everyone thinks it dies after getting shot a billion times but no one has staked its heart (america) yet.

>>2415949
>make friends, fall in love, have children be happy
Lol good one

>>2421805
Fall of Rome wasn't historically progressive, they were experimenting with early steam engines and analog computers. If the Western Empire didn't fall maybe we could've had the Industrial revolution a couple centuries earlier.

>>2423803
Yes, materially preordained downfall was not historically progressive but tech tree level up is.

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Who tf says that? Fascists won the Spanish Civil War, USSR collapsed, military juntas squashed socialism in Latin America, German Revolution failed. Just a few examples off the top of my head.

Well no Marx didn't say that he just said that each time there was a major shift that brought on new problems, and new solutions.

>>2379247
The transition from slave societies to feudal ones were too gradual for the former to really have a reaction from it, beyond that, racism in the ancient world is much older, Hipocrates divided the world in three "races" based on climate, the barbarian brutish but brave northerners, the cowardly but civilised southerners and obviously the the greeks as the mix of the two, being the brave civilised ones.

The Romans also originally believed in similar ways, but with their massive expansion, those ideas died out, their last bout was the wars of the allies, where non roman italians rebelled against Rome, nearly destroying the state, and while they lost millitary, the romans elites realised that they couldn't both keep the proletariat (They actually were called like that back then, Marx just took the name again) class down and keep the non romans down, as such, racism gradually fell down in favor of a supremacy of romans as a civilisation and not as a people, leading eventually to the granting of all inhabitants of the empire, including people formelly called barbarians, this was kept until the end of the Roman empire.
The new barbarians kings had no matter for racism, as they already barely had any power and desired to integrate in the new roman system as to preserve the control of their new ruling class in their new kingdoms.

However centuries later, in France (I don't know about other countries) when feudalism actually devellopped and needed to justify itself in the face of multiple crises of the Hundred Years war, (Etienne Marcel, the Jacquerie and the contestation of French royal power) the French nobility started to claim their right of rule came from their stenght as the descendents of Frankish conquerors, and that by blood, they were superior to the the french peasentry, descended from the ancient gauls. So, I don't think it's fair to say that those societies weren't racists, they just had a clearly somewhat developped system of racial hierarchy in order to justify the current social order. However the origin of the modern form of racism, is indeed more to be seen in the transatlantic slave and colonialism.

Only as old as the concept of race. Before there was tribalism but this at least made more sense for the distant past where anyone unfamiliar could be seen as a potential threat and if there is disputes over resources there would be conflict between tribes but this more mimics national conflict than racial.

>>2415417
>However centuries later, in France (I don't know about other countries) when feudalism actually devellopped and needed to justify itself in the face of multiple crises of the Hundred Years war, (Etienne Marcel, the Jacquerie and the contestation of French royal power) the French nobility started to claim their right of rule came from their stenght as the descendents of Frankish conquerors, and that by blood, they were superior to the the french peasentry, descended from the ancient gauls.
You know I'm surprised there's no conspiracy theory about Germans controlling Europe from the shadows, how many royal families are basically German by descent

>>2379035
from 100 years ago