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Why does trotsky cause so much seethe among ml's?
Is it because history has proven him completely right with the ussr collapsing?
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>>2755271
Because trotskyists are moral opportunists who have never managed to accomplish anything politically. Trotsky initially had indeed some good points : it was true that the USSR was degenerating, that it had mostly kept the revolution within its borders, and that it was dogmatic etc.
However, by the 1950s, why did this dogmatic position still survive ? It doesn't make sense to argue against Stalinism in the late 1950s and onwards when by then most marxist-leninists had rejected it, with only a minority of them calling themselves anti-revisionnists.
So why is there still at least 4 trostkyist parties in practically every country that exists ? It just doesn't make sense for them to exist in the 21st century. The only valid reason is that it's mostly larp, exactly as how anti-revisionnists also larp as if it were the early 1950s.

As for ideas specific to Trotsky, permanent revolution is frankly not a good concept because any revolution is going to be determined by the local conditions by which it takes place, and it shouldn't apply to arbitrary criterias of universality. Beyond that, the man himself was not exactly a saint and super democratic, in contrast to how his supporters usually paint him (i.e. Kronstadt rebellion)

>>2762040
>germany invaded in the 20's
Sure if you wanna get raped by western europe

Lenin didn’t like any of the bolsheviks btw

>>2760826
How dogshit is your regime that it faces existential threats from “pencil pushers” in the schizophrenic hitlerite ML view of the world?

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Friendly reminder that comrade Trotsky played a major role during the October revolution unlike Stalin who initially supported the idea of a bourgeois provisional government.



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What would it look like in everyday life and what kinds of changes would take place at the national and on a Individual level?
Will china then start exporting socialism?

>What does “basic socialist modernization” mean
something along the lines of how the Socialist International would use the term.
The scientific usage was dropped some time ago, as is in the merry tradition of their political line.

>>2762178
Bots are better than people anyway

I’m guessing it’s more and better schools, housing, hospitals, and agricultural equipment for rural areas

in 250 years china will be explaining how they're tying up the Opening Stage of Socialism and get around to eliminating the last remains of capitalism in their society while the unemployment rate is at 60%

>>2762251
bourgeois degenerate



 

Sharp fuel price hike in Chile triggers first protests against Kast government
Finance Minister Jorge Quiroz announced Monday that gasoline prices would rise 32% and diesel 62% starting early Thursday, after the government activated an escape clause in the fuel-price stabilization mechanism (Mepco) to bring domestic prices in line with surging international crude rates linked to the conflict in the Middle East. Officials argued that public finances could no longer absorb the cost of subsidies, estimated at roughly USD 140 million per week.
https://en.mercopress.com/2026/03/29/sharp-fuel-price-hike-in-chile-triggers-first-protests-against-kast-government

Labor Court Suspends Key Articles of Reform Promoted by Argentine Government
The ruling considers that there are indications of unconstitutionality and a risk of irreparable harm if the law fully enters into force. With this decision, there are now at least four court rulings halting the implementation of Law 27,802.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/labor-court-suspends-key-articles-of-reform-promoted-by-argentine-government/

Brazil's Lula, Flavio Bolsonaro seen tied in presidential run-off, poll shows
Leftist Lula would take between 39% ​and 42% of the vote in three ​simulated first-round scenarios with different opponents. Right-wing challenger ⁠Flavio Bolsonaro, meanwhile, is seen taking between ​38% and 39% in the same scenarios.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-flavio-bolsonaro-seen-tied-presidential-run-off-poll-shows-2026-03-30/

Avi Lewis, elected to lead Canada’s New Democratic party, promises ‘NDP comeback’
A record number of members voted in the three-day NDP leadership convention, giving Lewis a first-ballot win that underscored widespread support. Lewis pledged to convert the “tremendous momentum” of the convention into an “NDP comebackPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Communist Front (Italy): Italian communists welcome Meloni’s referendum defeat, call for broader political struggle
In a result described as a “clear political slap” to the far-right government of Giorgia Meloni, Italy’s recent referendum on justice reforms has produced a decisive rejection of the proposed constitutional changes. According to the Communist Front (Italy), the outcome reflects not only opposition to a specific reform, but a wider and deepening discontent with the current political direction of the country. The organization emphasized that the victory of the “No” vote came alongside a higher-than-expected voter turnout—an element they interpret as a significant and active expression of political dissent. In their assessment, this opposition extends beyond traditional anti-government circles, encompassing a broader segment of society than the ruling coalition’s electoral base. At the heart of the referendum was a reform strongly backed by the government itself, presented as a cornerstone initiative aimed at consolidating political power ahead of future elections. The Communist Front argues that its rejection signals a failure of this strategy, describing the reform as part of a broader trajectory of “authoritarian tendencies” promoted by the executive.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/03/italian-communists-welcome-melonis-referendum-defeat-call-for-broader-political-struggle.html

Right-Wing Governments in Latin America Face Short Honeymoons
Chile’s new right-wing president, José Antonio Kast has just taken office and protests against the government have already begun. Thousands of high school students have taken to the streets to protest fuel price hikes and attacks on public education. The first question that comes to mind is whether these students represent a new generation of activists, foreshadowing further mobilizations. And will a workers’ movement take up the banners of struggle alongside them? This resistance will have to be built, navigating the mediating (and outdated) leadership of the Socialist Party and the Communist Party, as well as the Broad Front of former president Gabriel Boric. Our comrades from the Revolutionary Workers’ Party (PTR) of Chile, who are part of our internatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

TYBNA

>>2761404
that's a nice picture, can i save it?

tybna

>>2761529
Do as you wish anon



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The imperial core practices dysgenics on itself while practicing eugenics on everyone else. Imperialist social democracy will give state services, welfare, and in-home care to the disabled nonverbal person with a developmental and mental disorder so that they don't have to become a worker, while bombing the farmers and workers in third world countries. If you produce food or commodities for the imperialist mouths, they will reward you bombs, sanctions, coups, embargoes. They will rain pesticides down on you. They will practice eugenics on you, killing your old, your disabled, your vulnerable populations. And they will do this while simultaneously protecting those populations in their own country, enabling them to live when in a standard environment they would have died. They will remove all the "useless eaters" from the third world while adding more "useless eaters" to the first. It is baffling. They are literally practicing dysgenics on themselves and eugenics on everyone else. Do they even have a long game anymore? It's totally deranged.
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>>2707539
So your surprised counties take care of their citizens?

>>2707614

Wouldn't trapping people in poverty and forcing them to live near pollution be considered a form of dysgenics?

>>2707539
kill yourself retarded thirdie (as in third worldist)

> in a standard environment they would have died.
> in a standard environment

so tell me, what is a "standard" environment?

>>2762510
A medieval village where a fetal alcohol syndrome child would be bashed against the rocks or worshipped as a pagan god



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I keep seeing this bait posted:

>>2719727
>Marx was a zionist who praised the US conquest of Mexico and tried to move to Texas

>>2689654
>I can and I will, Marx was a proto zionist, his writings on America confirm it, he even tried to become a settler in Texas

>>2689640
>Marx would have been a zionist too had he lived to see 1948 and especially 1967, he’s dead and his opinions don’t matter

>>2684654
>Fuck marx and fuck marxists, all pieces of shit, all Zionists outside of Palestine

>>2684652
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>>2720690
>"Marx supported the genocide and settler colonialism of the American indigenous people by the proto-Jeffrey Epstein transnational sex slave trafficking class, because Marx saw those bourgeois proto-redditors as more productive and likely to do bourgeois revolutions and primitive accumulation to develop the means of production to 'end barbarism'. Marx would celebrate the enslavement and genocide of indigenous peoples sustainable primitive communism so the proletariat could build Ford assembly lines and AI data centers"
the trvthnvke /leftypol/ can't handle
this is why I don't classify myself as a Marxist
to be a true Marxist you have to hate Slavs, hate Mexicans, hate Jews, hate gays (Marx condemned "pederasty"), and all sorts of other baggage that doesn't matter to an actual socialist revolution. true marxists are all post-marxist aka Leninists Stalinists Trotskyists Maoists etc.

>>2722461
what a crock of shit

This htread is further proof that Marx was extremely based

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>>2720469
he was historical-necessity and historical-progress pilled

>>2762136
Wrong. Today, the lazy cracker are the volkerabfalle. The mexicans are energetic. Marx and engels would love mexicans today



 

Everyone right now should be hoping and preparing for AI to be successful in replacing large amounts of knowledge labor. It will probably be the thing that genuienly kicks off the start of a true resurgence in the communist movement. 2008 revived socialism theoretically and planted the seeds of the movement to come. The post-war blip of high-paying white collar jobs in first world countries was in hindsight a historical blip and AI is setting things back to how they once were in a desperate attempt to save the rate of profit.

The conditions for it are really perfect. Displaced white collar workers are educated and socially progressive so they are unlikely to be swept up into right wing populism, unlike displaced manufacturing workers. They'll be forced into low wage and precarious work pushing down wages in those sectors.

Social Democracy isn't an option this time. Social democracy requires a large domestic manufacturing base to tax profits to fund a welfare state, in the age highly mobile, extremely liquid capital any attempt to fund a UBI will at first be met by intense fury by the capitalists likely killing it before it ever even is passed, and on the off chance it is passed you will see capital flight like never before. Additionally govenments are already up to their necks in debt so they cant fund it with deficit spending.

keynsian monetary policy by central banks would also have little effect, if employment is structurally lowered by AI then lowering interest rates doesnt bring back jobs it just makes credit cheaper to invest in more AI.

Fascism is also a much smaller threat then people realize, for aformentioned reasons displaced white collar workers are unlikely to be drawn into fascism, additionally the class base for fascism just doesnt exist anymore. Fascism was born out of the petit bourgeoisie ruined by the great depression, and the bourgeoisie allowed them to take power in order to crush the workers movements. While they succeeded in the that, it also led to massive destruction of capitalist wealth in ww2, so capitalists are going to be unlikely to want to give power to fascists again, additionally the modern petit bourgeoisie is weak and not a threatening force in politics like they were in the 1930s.

So if Social Democracy can't work as a compromise anymore and fascism is no longer possible then that makes the conditions for socialist revolution much more favorable in the coming decades.
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I agree that jobless intelligentsia is required for a revolution.
However, has job killing technology ever resulted in radicalization? Is there a single labor or trades union that has every went on strike over the addition of automation? Even cashiers don't organize against self-checkout lanes.

>>2762133
the luddites?

Your dutch tulips will do as all the other dutch tulips did

>>2725697
>very close to profitability
<bro
<just one more round of venture capital
<trust me bro
<just another ten billion
<please bro
<one more round of multiple billions
<just one more data center the size of a town

>>2725815
>nonprofit means its neutral
lol, thats not how it works



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
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Make anyone else depressed we don't even need coups anymore because freak yellows win elections now? Troglodyte electorate.
>>2687080
>Thailand is becoming the sick man of SEA.
<why?
Because he read some tweet downstream of that FT article.
https://www.ft.com/content/e766f94f-7626-4b60-b997-44ca1b18a4e7

Bump

>>2686564
>Looks like PP got cooked.
This Super Bourgeoisie isn't good guys either. I hope progressives and actual leftists break away from them someday.

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https://www.aol.com/articles/indonesia-arrests-four-military-officers-095135288.html
SUBIANTO’S GOONS GOT ARRESTED FOR ACID ATTACK OF LIBERAL PODCASTERS
Hahahha holy shit

> Indonesian military authorities said on Wednesday that they have arrested four officers allegedly involved in an acid attack on an ‌activist known for his opposition to the expanded role of the military in civilian ‌life.


>Andrie Yunus, a deputy coordinator with the Commission for Missing Persons and Victims of Violence, a rights group also ​known as KontraS, suffered burns to 20% of his face and body from acid thrown by assailants from a motorcycle on March 12.


>The alleged perpetrators were members of an intelligence unit belonging to the military, said Major General Yusri Nuryanto, Commander of Indonesian Armed Forces Military Police, adding ‌that they were also from the ⁠Navy and Air Force.


>"We have now taken the four alleged suspects into custody at military police headquarters and we are conducting a thorough investigation," ⁠he told reporters.


>Since President Prabowo Subianto took office after a landslide 2024 election victory, rights groups and students have expressed concern about the use of the military to implement his policy goals, which ​triggered nationwide ​unrest in August last year.


>The activist was attacked ​after recording a podcast episode about ‌the military's expanding role in Indonesian politics.

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How are my SEA kakis lately? The instability with the Hormuz straits makes me wonder if we could do something similar with the Singapore Straits…

>>2735449
I would rather they break away after PP get into power and goes full republican mode.



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Marxist solution to exploitation:
>be worker
>have full time job
>not enough to pay bills
>get a 2nd job that doesn't pay you anything and which might get you killed called "professional revolutionary"
>start civil war, probably die in civil war
>if survive civil war, probably get purged in party purges after civil war
>if survive party purges, probably have glowie-backed coup
>if survive glowie-backed coup, probably become revisionist and do capitalist restoration
>right back at square 1

Normal solution to exploitation:
>be worker
>have full time job
>not enough to pay bills
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>>2759909
>Two jobs make you a petry bourgeois
Holy shit you fucking idiot, you cannot be this fucking stupid fucking kill yourself you fucking retard

having two jobs is the kind of thing that leads one to develop frivolous, expensive and unhealthy habits like smoking, drinking, gambling, gaming

>>2759670
>exploitation = not having enough money
cool thread retard

>>2760998
This.
>>2761530
Also this.

>>2759670
>right back at square 1
Uhhm no? After surviving the glowie-backed coup, revisionism and capitalist restoration you are now a well respected party apparatchik/people's billionaire/potential revolutionary war hero

problem solved



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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I'm a complete noob in computing. Can anyone of you guys explain what the fuck is being said in this image? It mentions cybernetics so maybe it can be helpful to cyber communism.

>>2761624
Wtf is this? Where did u get it from?

>>2761624
pic HIGHLY related to your pic

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>>2761624
I'm retarted so I asked ShatSloppidy what dat pic mean

>>2761624
most programmers work on easy problems, and problems that can be turned into easy ones. in planning, instead of finding the exact solution for a linear program, which is almost certainly NP, we can instead find an approximate solution, which is P
for an example of spooky things happening in the upper echelons of computing, look into the Busy Beaver problem. castorologists have identified Collatz-esque problems to be the big stumbling block at present, and this is for BB(6). that is, we do not know for how long the longest-running terminating 6-state Turing machine will actually run for
Wikipedia has a nice summary of why the Busy Beaver problem is mathematically relevant:
>One of the most consequential aspects of the busy beaver game is that, if it were possible to compute the functions Σ(n) and S(n) for all n, then this would resolve all mathematical conjectures which can be encoded in the form "does ⟨this Turing machine⟩ halt".[5] For example, there is a 27-state Turing machine that checks Goldbach's conjecture for each number and halts on a counterexample; if this machine did not halt after running for S(27) steps, then it must run forever, resolving the conjecture.[5][7] Many other problems, including the Riemann hypothesis (744 states) and the consistency of ZF set theory (745 states[8][9]), can be expressed in a similar form, where at most a countably infinite number of cases need to be checked.[5]
this is the essence of the "32 bytes" claim in the beginning. 32*8 = 256 bits. a binary S-state Turing machine can be encoded in 2*S*log2(2*S+1) bits. all machines in BB(6) occupy a mere 45 bits, and this class of programs already contains a very hard problem (the Collatz conjecture). the 27-state Goldbach machine mentioned in the WP text would take 313 bits to encode, and it is likely not even the most difficult machine to reason about in that set
this isn't that important for cybernetics however. control theorists are concerned with practical problems



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