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>Previous Bake
>>2756179

<Happy 1 month anniversary! edition

I know February is a short month, but if it wasn't, today would mark 1 month of the 25 minute McSpecial Combat Operation(tm)

Latest News
>Kash Patel got haeken Hacked by Iranian Heckers (images are not impressive)
<Trump is bitching and moaning about the straight of Hormuz, extended deadline to April 6th (Subject to change {TACO})
>Iran is pumping out zesty AI content with help of China -source: M. Yass
<Russia will be helping out Iran more directly -source: Larry Johnson {Sonar21}
>Oil rising despite Trump's attempt to mitigate
<Israel lost a bunch of tanks to Kornet ATGMs in Lebanon
>Jewlani is blocking resupply of Hezbochads
<Stratotankers were destroyed on some airfield
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>>2758324
gumshoes, i thought hezbollah was destroyed by israel
did the ghost of kuwait do this?

>>2758883
We need more Jews that are on the side of trvth and jvstice.

Based Orthojews.

>>2758367
>>2758371
Are tanks just useless in 21st century warfare? They seem to function only as a way to intimidate to civilians at this point. However now even some of the most poorest resistance fighters can knock them out now with drones and other low cost anti-tank weapons.

>>2757883
How long until Vance is described as a traitor

>>2758510
pomeGRANATE juice lol, Iranians just can't stop thinking about war can they



 

I consider myself an extremely "soft" leftist, with a lot of care for "social issues" and personal freedom, but not exactly a hardcore "socialist". I'm not even talking about Marx here (I know some of the theory etc, but I don't agree 100% with it)
I am what the general public sees as a "leftist" and that's fine by me.
I am more of a social-liberal.
I am not american or european, but if I was, I would obviously stick with the Democrats and Social-Democrats in general.
I see most of you guys are not like this, you tend to be more radical to the left. I see no reason for that. For real, the world is not this big war you all seem to be fighting for. Many people stick to the center.

Try to convince me to be more radical, if you can. (I hate authoritarians of all kinds).
I am open to criticism.

Take notice I am:
gay man
from brazil
I support marijuana, lgbt+ rights and things like abortion
I am not completely opposite to capitalism (because I think to stop capitalism you would need an authoritarian government and I don't like that), but I like the idea of reforms and regulations.
I care about poor people, the disavantaged and the homeless.
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>>2756793
Towards a worldwide union of producers and consumers, for planned production, for the advancement of the species, the utilitarian strive.

>>2756793
As show that we're not all bark no bite, I have prepared a special surprise for the KKE headquarters next month in Greece :)))))))))))))))))))

>>2756376
Incorrect. Even with a mitigated neoliberalism, the PT (Workers' Party) used and expanded public properties and employed state capitalism to the extent possible within the framework of class conciliation, often making defensive gestures when the bourgeoisie launched an offensive to remove labor rights, privatize, etc. The PT has politicians from the MST (Landless Workers' Movement) and has ties to this movement for agrarian reform, while you cling to the natural right to private property when the constitution itself states the need for a social function of property that can be expropriated. The PT's activists do not share your position on the inviolable natural right to private property; within it, there is discussion of the use of a developmentalist ideology, which you can find in Dilma Rousseff, who had abandoned her program to move away from the macroeconomic tripod with the New Macroeconomic Matrix, but gave up when she realized that there was no national industrial bourgeoisie that was not financialized to make this capital and labor agreement since the Brazilian bourgeoisie only cared about speculating in the financial market.

The Workers' Party (PT) has a position of not falling into the trap of demonizing foreign countries in order to have dialogue and economic sovereignty, where Palestine is recognized and its existence in an economically viable way is demanded. Defending a US invasion is not a position of the PT. Go to the alternative media close to the PT and you will see Marxists, supporters of campist ideology, defenders of 21st-century socialism and fans of Chinese revisionist socialism, as well as various warnings of threats from the CIA to Brazil, or talking about the lies of the mainstream media. Your speech is that of a lackey of the mainstream media apologist for American imperialism.

But the PT is a reformist, conciliatory party that cannot stop the advance of neoliberalism and the financialization of the economy, even if in a delayed manner, constantly making concessions to the bourgeoisie, demobilizing the population, always conceding more to the "broad front" and electoralism. The PT will not reverse the financing of fascism and reactionism, which is the natural result of capitalism. There is no peace or reconstruction if you don't reverse the financialization of the economy, which would require ending thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2755890
If you lived within a state that was genuinely democratic and with a proportionally strong lobby for working and poor people, you would have to choose whether your commitment to weak government or your commitment to poor people is higher. You will no doubt disagree, but this is how I see it, as a communist. The only way to fix the ills of capitalism is progressively expanding reforms in the economy towards socialism. Early on this looks like regulating business, but as this disrupts the economy or businesses try to undermine/work around it, further measures, like targeted expropriations, freezing funds of huge business owners like Jeff Bezos, state owned enterprises competing seriously with private sector, etc. will be needed. All this happens under liberal capitalist states as well. Beyond that, a move towards the whole of the productive economy (i.e. people who make stuff en masse) being state directed (and later state owned), and the non-productive economy (i.e. land and monopoly rents) being expropriated for most likely municipal state ownership.

This is all "authoritarian" because there is deprivation of property (of billionaires and parasite rentiers), freezing assets in order to not allow capital flight, government heavily involved in economy, strong regulation with no loopholes, etc.

As Lenin says, socialism is state-capitalist monopoly made to serve the people. Right now we have state-capitalist monopoly serving the rich. If you care about the poor and working people more, you will eventually see the necessity of strong government (democratically controlled by the working class) in overcoming control by and for a very small class of opulent wealthy, and I don't have to convince you right now about this, I just have to convince you that a state where the working class has a say is better than a fake democracy or dictatorship. If you support small government more, then you were never on my side in the first place, and all the niceties about weed and butt sex were just you wanting some personal liberties to increase your personal comfort (and i could only assume you're somewhat wealthy yourself), and nothing to do with freedom or the comfort of working people as a whole. If the latter is the case it's not loss, you were a class enemy from the start, just one with a softer and less realistic outlook than the fascists.

Kino thread



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The Iranian bourgeoisie is no more losing than the Israeli or American bourgeoisie.

To believe that the Iranian bourgeoisie lost because a school was bombed is to believe the Iranian bourgeoisie won because an apartment in Tel Aviv was bombed. Destruction under capitalism is an intended part of war that delays overproduction, the workers killed in process make way for new pool of labor, the infrastructure for new investments. This war like any other before it will ultimately serve multinational capital while empowering waring regimes (namely Iran and Israel) with new justifications for existing.

>inb4 muh leaderz

The government is nothing but a managerial committee that represents the whole bourgeoisie. They're inherently disposable and it is inevitable that they're disposed.
>inb4 muh buzzwords
The stated goal of the US isn't regime change. The state goal of Iran is self-defense. Both are fighting for the status quo which they jointly upheld for decades, the war is nothing but the expression of capital in crisis seeking to maintain itself.
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>>2760190
Cheering for american military deaths is in-line with Marxism.

Israel has conscription and so tangible revolutionary(defeatism) potential with the right circumstances.

>>2760194

Brother acts like Anarchists and Marxist leninists weren't physically targeting US personnel in south Europe 1970s-80s. Surprised how many leftists know more of ancient, industrial revolution history than they do recent history. They quite literally LARP the 1800s

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>>2760194
I never cheered for American military deaths because I always knew that it was nurture not nature. But I understand why people outside of the United States would do so.


>>2760206
>personnel
when i said we cheer for amerikkkan and israeli deaths that includes treatler at home, not just "personnel." Coward.



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Is ableism fascist?

I look down on people who can't maintain a good diet and exercise properly and in turn into fat fucks with limited mobility. I think that the ideal leftist should be fit and healthy, and that a communist society should promote the proliferation of fit and healthy people. I don't know why that apparently makes me an ableist to some people. What does the theory say about this issue?

this is just identity politics which we're just not interested in at all. I get that you're a loser trying to bait us but nobody cares.

there's a really extreme case that's kind of prototypical of the whole problem with capitalism and the human body and that is San Cristóbal de las Casas in Mexico. it's a town with a coca-cola plant that buys all of the natural water, and corrupts the government to prevent the townspeople having proper infrastructure for town water. there's a ton of yellow journalism about "the town where coke is cheaper than water". obviously obesity and diabetes is through the roof, the kids are all fucked up from having hero doses of caffeine from toddler age.

it's obvious that capitalism is responsible:
> lack of democratic oversight
> lack of regulation
> lack of education and development
> economic rationalization for what is child abuse enforced through poverty

it occurs across the world with people subsisting off of highly processed shit that they can afford, or a diet composed of their primary export to the US.

your next rhetorical step will be to say
>I don't care

which just begs the question why you made the thread, which as I initially stated is just to bait people into debating identity politics. kind of sad you're this dull a thinker and don't have anything better to do.

>>2760470
>Is ableism fascist?
It's more that fascist ideology was ableist. Really it was really tied up in Social Darwinism in which they borrowed from a crude interpretation of natural selection in which the "strong" select out the "weak" which justified physically exterminating people with disabilities (they actually experimented with killing methods on them before moving onto others). Also a big part of it was preparing the population for war.

>the ideal leftist should be fit and healthy

What is "ideal" is doing a lot of work here. If you're looking at some people as more or less valuable than others, that is going to clash with a left-wing outlook sooner or later. A class society also operates like that and the rich generally look better than the poor, have more free time and money to hire personal trainers and the like. I think physical fitness is good BTW but I tend to relate to motivational and positive encouragement types. It's like everyone has an inner strength that you can bring out and that can motivate them to exercise.

Fascism is anything I don't like, the more I don't like it the more fascismer it is

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>>2760470
I've brought up reverse eugenics before, but if anything we need to encourage the handicapped.

I mean the actually handicapped, being fat is not a handicap. Being traumatized isn't either so most women are not handicapped. I'm talking about like downs syndrome or blind, deaf, no limbs or something.

Midgets too. Women should be forced to lay with manlets both so they suffer, and to derail heightism. No doubt westoids fetishize nephilim fallen angel giants hence like talls.

When everyone is an acne riddled paraplegic transgender with epilepsy, people will no longer have time to discriminate and lord their superiority. They'll cooperate to function or die out. I am more than willing to gamble the complete erasure of humanity to insure i never have to hear another fucking redditor again say words like "preference" you don't get preferences, you're a Kafir and should be beheaded for your insolence.

>>2760562
I read a theory about how the space aliums who helped engineer humans purposefully made us weak compared to the primates we come from to force us to cooperate.



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Very dialectical
You see it here first so Paul Cockshott can't steal it

Only succdem liberals would find something wrong with it. I've explained all of these points in previous posts and ACP even took Anarcho-Stalinism which Haz called libertarian Stalinism



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You will not be allowed to achieve class consciousness. they will turn this movement into another pro capitalist movement. the boomers and celebrities are already getting behind it, any talk of higher wages or lowering rents will be removed from the discussion, it's about trump. get evil trump out of the white house and then the democrats will give you all you want, only the democrats can defeat the ebil billionaires.

lol why do people keep falling for this old trick over and over? is everyone really just an NPC cattle golem?
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>>2759560
>OWS was legit, but got diverted by agents.
lol sure a "movement" by a bunch of politically impotent middle classers focusing exclusively on "le 1%" (just lol) was only doomed when agents got involved LMAO

>>2759998
The only thing the American masses need to do is die

>>2760001
OWS scared tptb way more than your maoist furry club

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The speaker of Iran's parliament and member of the Popular Front of Islamic Revolution Forces supports #NoKings

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>>2760004
>The only thing the American masses need to do is die



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These are issues as to why I think the Western Left will never do anything or succeed at anything. It's not exhaustive, but I do ask why other people here critical of the Western Left, think the Western Left has failed and will continue to fail to enact any sort of change whatsoever?
>Most Leftists are pretty ideologically antisocial, arrogant, elitist, do not like normies (especially working class people) and look down on them.
>Vast majority of what the Left does is ingroup virtue signalling. Every Protest, every newspaper sold, every shouting slogan, every cancellation, all anti-imperialism, isn't really done for a real purpose but virtue signalling and just group activities
>Leftists are holier than thou in the most moronic ways possible, they refuse to use modern PR, modern marketing, modern public speaking skills, Frame Communist and Socialist ideals in ways that are actually appealing and don't sound like a 1917 Larp.
>Because modern Leftism is a alternative scene, rather than a political movement, being a normal person who is charismatic, or works out, or good looking, is actually frowned upon.
>Anti-Imperialism doesn't mean anything or have any goal yet is the raison detre of the modern left.
>Anti-Imperialism never works because the left refuses to actually do anything to put themselves into positions where they have power to do anything actually anti-imperialist. It's mostly just seething and pointing at elites saying "LOOK YOU'RE BAD HYPOCRITS" while they respond "who cares?".
>Too many "Anti-Imperialists" just devolve into vulgar edgy campism. Many also seriously hope the third will will just rise up and save them.
>Shit like mass immigration is only supported because a lot of leftists are genuinely racist against white people and are wildly oikophobic and want to see "white people" suffer out of teenage level spite against boring suburban upbringings. Another is purely just a naieve white saviour complex or orientalism combined with christcuck morality that more "oppressed" groups are more moral.
>Most modern Leftists positions are really driven by peer ingroup "empathy" pressure than Materialism.
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I think the western left may never succeed because of the Samson Option. Both the Zionist entity and the US would never let go of power without destroying everything first.

>>2759419
The problem is you're hanging out with the kids when you should be drinking with the veteran anarcho-alcoholics over 50.

>>2759419
As the other person said, you want older people. Students and other adolescent vermin are a bane on the labour movement and literally what is killing it (in central Europe, at least).
t. union organiser and local party rep.

>>2735341
This is a myth. The Serbian government was not involved in the assassination of the archduke. Even the Hungarian minister Tisza acknowledged this at the time. Young Bosnia was just like the circles in Tsarist Russia. Disconnected, particular and independent. Many of them read Chernishevsky, Herzen and Nietzsche.

>>2758936
Marx praised Feuerbach for his "true materialism" which incorporated relations between people. We got capitalists without capital and anti-social socialists, sad.



 

The world owes an apology to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, a true proletarian anti-imperialist movement.
Apologize NOW.
(The body was too short or empty)
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>>2758051
Wrong. Supporting the vetnamese social fascist colonizer devil puppet of soviet revisionism is like supporting israeli. You are epstein. You are zionist

>>2758478
Good, fuck Khmers and fuck Arabs

>>2757981
>>2757923
>Angkar was supported by all freedom loving peoples against soviet revisionist social fascist social imperialist entity.
WE AGREE

>>2758903
Kampucheans defeated AmeriKKKan imperialism on April 17th 1975

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>>2757923 sowy best thing i can do is devouring pol pot and the khmer rouge



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Peggy McIntosh is widely credited with pioneering the concept of "white privilege" in her 1988 paper, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," yet she notably failed to cite the radical, Marxist origins of the term established decades earlier by Theodore W. Allen. Writing in the 1960s and 70s, Allen developed the "white-skin privilege" framework as a materialist critique of how the ruling class used racial advantages to break labor solidarity. By presenting the concept as a personal "epiphany" born of her experience in Women's Studies, McIntosh effectively erased the decades of organized struggle and class-based analysis that Allen and his contemporaries, such as Noel Ignatiev, had already codified.
This lack of citation resulted in a significant distortion of the concept’s original intent, shifting it from a systemic weapon of class war to a tool for individual psychological reflection. While Allen viewed privilege as a "poison" or a "baited hook" that tricked white workers into betraying their own economic interests, McIntosh reframed it as an "invisible knapsack" of unearned assets and daily conveniences. This transition—often described by critics as the "transubstantiation" of white privilege—stripped the term of its revolutionary potential. By centering the conversation on personal awareness and "checking" one's advantages, McIntosh’s framework allowed the concept to be easily co-opted by liberal institutions and corporate diversity programs, moving the focus away from the abolition of the capitalist structures Allen sought to dismantle.

The "transubstantiation" of radical terminology reflects a broader academic and corporate trend where revolutionary tools are hollowed out and refilled with liberal, individualistic meanings. This process, also known as recuperation, effectively "sanitizes" subversive ideas so they can be integrated into the existing status quo without challenging the underlying structures of power. Just as Peggy McIntosh shifted "white privilege" from a Marxist critique of class warfare to a psychological exercise in personal awareness, other terms like "intersectionality" and "decolonization" have undergone similar transformations. What began as structural analyses of systemic failure or demands for the literal repatriation of land are often reduced to metaphors for "celebrating diversity" or "diversifying a syllabus," shifting the focus from material change to symbolic representation.
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>>2757174
>McIntosh
she's probably of Scottish descent, m8

Much agreed comrade, we all obviously have the same shot at making it in our fair meritocratic society! It's mainly your own negative thoughts that's holding your back, certainly not something as silly as your skin color or gender. How fortunate it is that we long ago left racism on the scrap heap of history where it so belong!

>>2758432
> we all obviously have the same shot at making it in our fair meritocratic society
That’s not what is being suggested at all.
Theodore W. Allen was an actual Marxist that examined the evolution of the “white race” in the U.S. as an eventual social control formation to break labor solidarity. The privileges to white workers exist in this context, but Allen argued it was ultimately "disastrous" for them too, as it blinded them to their true class interests and weakened the potential for a united working-class movement against exploitation. Alternatively, Peggy Mcintosh reduces race privilege to an individual exercise in tolerance and obscures the class dynamics that foster it. She uses an entirely different liberal framework.

>>2756945
Both suck

>>2758432
Kys lib



 

The ox cart, is pulled by a donkey.

It could also be pulled by a man, but why mistake the man, for a donkey.

Preferred to beat either, the fallacious belief.

Instead, neither; a donkey is the same as a human, but a human could pull the cart.(Off-topic)



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