[ home / rules / faq ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internet about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)
What is 6 - 3?

Not reporting is bourgeois

| Catalog | Home
|

 

Was Strasserism basically just National Bolshevism with German ethno-nationalism autism piled on top? It was the socialism in "National Socialism" after all, and its intriguing to wonder how things would have played out differently if mustache man hadn't co-op Goebbels from then and eventually purged them.
10 posts and 2 image replies omitted.


File: 1745436783805.png (489.49 KB, 1785x1315, ClipboardImage.png)


>>2238841
Aweseome thanks
>>2237602
I long lost track of the number times I made the general argument of that meme to people complaining about the jewish composition board of Blackrock before.

>>2229528
>Was Strasserism basically just National Bolshevism
No Patel was not an ethno-nationalist and Bolshevism is not guild systemic.
>It was the socialism in "National Socialism"
What the fuck? No?
Asserites want you to believe that, but the Super Strasser Bros were liars and slanderers, they might have had a vision but it wasn't the only one in the party, and it was somehow more reactionary than both the planned, and end economy of the NSDAP. "Hitlerites taking over the pure Nazi ideals!" is a fascist cope.
>ts intriguing to wonder how things would have played out differently if mustache man hadn't co-op Goebbels from then and eventually purged them.
No, no it really isn't, if Strasser won he would have been co opted and invaded by the USSR after a lengthy civil war with enraged war vets who were calling for blood post ww1 anyway.

>>2239316
people like you suck the air out of threads and make this place insufferable. i can just smell the high reddit karma



 

If Trump wants to turn a dump into a sparkling luxury resort town, instead of seizing Gaza why not do this with Detroit?

Simply move all 700k people out temporarily, get other cities like Chicago or Pittsburgh to take them in (or even better, ship them to Toronto and let the Canadians deal with them), demolish everything with the exception of downtown, and rebuild the whole thing from scratch. Make the new Detroit into the Monte Carlo of the Midwest. Think about it. Citizens could even demand human-centred European infrastructure which favours pedestrians and cyclists instead of cars and mixed-use buildings instead of waste-of-space single family homes.

Someone suggest this to Trump.
26 posts and 6 image replies omitted.

at the end of the day trump still has neolib brainrot so him and his people consider the idea of the government doing stuff(that isnt intervening in favor of the market with violence) as literally 1984 Stalin Mao 200 bajilliion dead

>>2239555
comments so butt hurt lmao I occassionally forgot some whites will legitimately get upset even you acknowledge the existence of race in the US lmao.

>>2185868
Sorry but whos going to pay for this? Any surplus funds are allocated to israel, you think we can afford crystal detroit?

I remember reading an article from a few years ago which talked about Detroit hiring city planners from Montreal to make their city more walkable and livable.

if manufacturing comes back to the us detroit wins



File: 1745450902713.png (5.3 MB, 1800x1554, ClipboardImage.png)

 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<"BRING THE WAR HOME" edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth

🏈 💵 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md

_📺 Live News 📺
(sponsored by USAID)
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
603 posts and 214 image replies omitted.

what if aoc blindsides us all and Castro's the democrats, Bernie and everyone else

>>2242039
every thread I see this guy in is another day taken off my lifespan. If they added a peg and hole captcha before replying I swear to god this retard would stop posting.

>>2242033
Wasn’t warrantless search seizures part of what kicked off the American Revolution?

>>2242210
There is nothing to gain from pointing out their hypocrisy to them, they don't care.

>>2242033
>Alien Enemies
I didn't know we were at war with Mexico and they are all spies/soldaten?



File: 1745567112679.jpg (501.08 KB, 1572x1289, trotsky adam.jpg)

 

If you think about it, the dilemma in the imperial core today (namely the United States) is the opposite of what the dilemma was in Russia in 1917.

It is very easy to educate and agitate people today. We can distill theory into small sound bytes. We can use the Feynman method to explain complex ideas in ways that a child could understand. We can put together visualizations and graphs of complex economic data so that they are easier to digest than large books of tables. We can instantly show people footage of bourgeois war crimes that are happening all over the world.

But it is very hard to organize people. It is hard to get people off their ass and out of their house. They don't want to log off and touch grass. They don't want to risk their physical bodies. They are afraid of surveillance, of face recognition tech, of drone strikes, of deportation to some black site.

In 1917 it was the opposite, it was very easy to organize people out in the street, rile them up with a few revolutionary phrases, get them to meet in some place. Life was so miserable and people had so little to lose that organizing in the streets wasn't much more of a risk than continuing to live life with the tsar's boot on your neck, with the landlord sucking rent from your pocket, with the capitalist skimming the surplus value of your labor. Even if you hadn't read a single page of Marx, weren't an atheist, weren't a communist, and maybe not even literate, the simplest pro-worker rhetoric was enough to get you out in the streets attacking the police, and siding with the far left. There was also very little in the way of "idpol" and the capitalists had not yet perfected dividing and conquering the proletariat with the dexterity and subtlety that they do today. Do you really think the average red army volunteer from some rural village who joined up because only the bolsheviks promised to end WW1 was of the same intellectual background as the suit-wearing vanguard party members (including lawyers like Lenin) debating the merits of the NEP with each other, and discussing the prospects of learning how to run a socialist economy from detained capitalists?

So in 1917: Organizing EZ, Educating hard

Today: Educating EZ, Organizing hard

Am I off base?
3 posts omitted.

>>2240956
-1/100

File: 1745570771924.jpg (556.36 KB, 1181x1200, disrespectful joel.jpg)

>>2240950
>using pie in the sky, a term used by the labor movement to mock the salvation army, in this way

>>2240964
Reminder that Salvation Army is a hate group.

>>2240946
Thoughtful and respectful reply. I would add to this that even though the fundamental nature of labor-capital relations hasn't changed since Marx there are a lot of important changes that resulted from trying to put off the falling rate of profit and sweep the internal contradictions of capitalism under the rug, like the death of Bretton Woods, the Nixon Shock, neoliberalism, deindustrialization, the rise of the service economy and FIRE sector, etc. The new contradictions that arose in 1971-2022 as a result of trying to hide the previous unresovled contradictions have resulted in the rise of China/BRICS, the rise of multipolarity, the end of dollar hegemony, Russo-Ukrainian war, the return of mask off ethnonationalist politics in Europe, the US returning (hasily and sloppily) to early 20th century protectionist strategies, etc.

File: 1745624915867.jpg (64.96 KB, 900x900, rambo.jpg)

>>2240925
do you have more of adams nudes?



File: 1745606735370.jpg (4.45 MB, 4961x7016, at_the_source.jpg)

 

Uruguay’s Broad Front government renews search for those disappeared by military dictatorship
The center-left government of Orsi, who is a history professor, promised during the presidential campaign that his administration would tirelessly search for the remains of those detained and disappeared from the past military dictatorship.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/04/24/uruguays-broad-front-government-renews-search-for-those-disappeared-by-military-dictatorship/

Four hours under fire from the Jalisco New Generation Cartel: ‘We’re going to have a party’
El Mencho ordered trailers to be set alight and highways blocked in Michoacán, Jalisco, and Guanajuato. Two police officers were killed, but no arrests were made: ‘We’ve never seen blockades of this scale’
https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-04-25/four-hours-under-fire-from-the-jalisco-new-generation-cartel-were-going-to-have-a-party.html
https://archive.ph/rej4W

Dominican Republic under fire as deportations of pregnant and breastfeeding women to Haiti rise
The increase in those deportations comes as the administration of Dominican President Luis Abinader implemented a new measure this week requiring hospital staff to ask patients for their identification, work permits and proof of residence.
https://apnews.com/article/dominican-republic-pregnant-women-deportations-haiti-gangs-32ba22db6d957f02de7b77e16d51dd6c

New Gaza Ceasefire Proposal Contains “Red Lines” for Hamas on Continued Israeli Occupation and Disarmament
The current draft effectively asks Hamas to agree to continued military occupation of Gaza and disarmament. While the original ceasefire deal stipulated the total withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza in the second phase, tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

ICE is reversing termination of legal status for international students around US, lawyer says
The federal government is reversing the termination of legal status for international students around the U.S. after many filed court challenges against the Trump administration crackdown, a government lawyer said Friday.
https://apnews.com/article/international-student-status-restored-9e8a7cb90f4193ec52bf06edc5094cd9

FBI arrests Wisconsin judge and accuses her of obstructing immigration officials
Kash Patel, the Trump-appointed FBI director, wrote mid-morning on X: “We believe Judge Dugan intentionally misdirected federal agents away from the subject to be arrested in her courthouse, Eduardo Flores Ruiz, allowing the subject – an illegal alien – to evade arrest.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/25/judge-hannah-dugan-milwaukee-arrest

'We Have Been Working Against That': Trump and Johnson Dump Cold Water on Millionaire Tax Hike
In recent weeks, pro-Trump figures such as former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and a small number of Republicans in Congress have floated the idea of slightly raising income taxes for millionaires, suggesting the move would help counter progressive attacks on Trump and his billionaire-stocked Cabinet as a manifestation of the United States' descent into oligarchy.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-millionaire-tax

Social Security may lose thousands more staff under new Trump rule
President Donald Trump said last week his administration would proceed with plans to designate tens of thousands of federal workers as "at will" employees involved in policy decisions, stripping them of civil service protections.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/social-security-may-lose-thousands-more-staff-under-new-trump-rule-2025-04-25/

Steel, water, energy, rail, banks: Nationalise the lot! For workers’ control!
Steel, water, energy, rail, banks: Nationalise the lot! For workers’ control! The crisis playing out at British Steel has shone a light on the catastrophic impact of privatisation. The Scunthorpe steelworks – like that in Port Talbot – have been wrecked, ruined, and left to rust by the plant’s parasitic owners. Thousands of workers have been thrown on the scrapheap. The local area is at risk of becoming a ghost town. The chaos in the steel industry is no isolated example. For decades, government after government has sold off the family silver. And in every instance, the capitalist market has proven to be a disaster for workers. In the hands of corporate fat-cats, Britain’s industries and infrastructure have been asset-stripped and vandalised. Whether it be the country’s water, energy, mail, or rail networks: profiteering vultures have feasted on formally-nationalised utilities, gutting them and cutting them to the bone.Once they have had their fill, these big-business leeches then leave the rest of us to clean up their mess. Time after time, taxpayers have been left to foot any costs. Take the scandalous case of Thames Water. In the wake of privatisation, a series of ravenous owners treated the company as a cash cow. Shareholders engorged themselves, sucking up around £7.2 billion in dividends over the space of 32 years.
https://communist.red/steel-water-energy-rail-banks-nationalise-the-lot-for-workers-control/

The Self-Liberation of the Jasenovac Death Camp and a New Serbian Catharsis
Eighty years have passed since April 1945, when the surviving inmates of the Croatian Nazi camp—Jasenovac—rose in revolt, staged a breakout, and thus brought an end to the existence of the largest death camp in the Balkans during the Second World War. That prompted me to reflect on a dilemma from the past. As a young author, I was prone to reductive comparisons. In contemplating the civil war in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 1992 to 1995, I wrote a text entitled The Serbian NDH, in which I compared Republika Srpska—on account of the systematic crimes committed against the Bosniak population, for which its wartime leadership is unquestionably responsible—to the criminal puppet creation oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybna



File: 1745434115908.jpeg (201.25 KB, 1080x1349, jlmj5v0xrdme1.jpeg)

 

I know this has been beaten to death in /ukraine/ but I still see people talk about the Russian "invasion" like its an unassailable fact. People like to claim that the two countries and blocs are equally at fault. In reality, such takes are as "fair and balanced" as Fox News. Look at how NATO has encircled Russia and the bad-faith negotiations that had taken place over the preceding 32 years. How else could it have ended? It wouldn't have mattered if the tricolor or rainbow flags or red flags flew from the Kremlin. It would have led to war no matter if Russia was capitalist or socialist because no sovereign nation could ever tolerate such hostile encroachment and survive, especially in light of Russian history, where geopolitical moves like the ones NATO is doing were the prelude to invasion. For that matter, a socialist Ukraine (Or at least one led by somebody like Alexander Lukashenko) would not have persued this maximalist pro-NATO/pro-EU policy or discriminated against Russians and thus wouldn't have precipitated the war. Even if Russia did invade this socialist Ukraine, they would have a real army because they would not have stripped the copper wire from their rhetorical walls to fund Hunter Biden's coke addiction and gain the dubious honor of being the EU's "Mexico" while begging for 40 year-old tanks and F-16s.
134 posts and 22 image replies omitted.

>>2239939
Lmfao, the PCI had more spine than that controlled opposition

>>2241699
decommunization is bad because communism is good, not sure what answer you expect on a leftist board

>>2241714
except if communism = russia then it's no longer good, it's whatever russia does

>>2241687
>Fracking could put these countries on equal footing with Russia or the western europeans that have oil colonies
The water might be undrinkable and literally flammable but at least they'll finally be free from the Evil Ruzzian energy occupation. This shall be commemorated by building a statue dedicated to the Waffen-SS.
>>2241714
>decommunization is bad because communism is good, not sure what answer you expect on a leftist board
The answer that is acceptable to the Actual Socialists is that "we" should support regime change and "freedom movements" supported by Western dark money. Somehow, decommunization is going to lead to Real Socialism.

>>2241787
>Somehow, decommunization is going to lead to Real Socialism.
not an argument unless getting swallowed by the horde will somehow lead to it



 

We're all principled Marxist here right? Marx's position is somewhat nuanced but it seems to basically be that one should oppose immigration and support immigrants, e.g. we should work and advocate with immigrants for immigrant and worker rights in a collective struggle against the capitalist class, and the imperialist forces which create pressure for immigration, while also opposing this mechanism of lowering wages. Is this really a strong position though, it seems under sympathetic to me? Does it really just imply a cooperation with other nations to avoid expatriation, while working with those individuals that happen to arrive anyway? This is at least non-violent.

>Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.


>And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.


>This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organization. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.


>In reducing the Irish population by eviction and forcible emigration, to such a small number that English capital (capital invested in land leased for farmi
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
4 posts and 3 image replies omitted.

This is stupidly phrased at the minimum.
If you're opposed to imperialism and support immigrants theres no reason for further policy.
The phrase "opposition to immigration" becomes meaningless.

Irish men have BBC

What exactly is being meant by "moral"?
As in: What is the moral position of an English member of the working class.

Angloids are vermin that should be annihilated

>>2241544
>moral
Suspect this is in reference to the following paragraph on the chauvinism etc.



File: 1742914303871.jpg (16.42 KB, 1148x648, polska.jpg)

 

I'm tired of living in this country, for some reason. I will ask the same question on 4chan, but honestly it's a neo-nazi imageboard.
I'm ashamed to live in Poland, if Poland shills for another Slav-killing war (not saying I don't hate Putin or Zelensky).
I'd like to watch some anti-Polish content on YT, then.
126 posts and 26 image replies omitted.

>>2237836
i'm not saying the idea was much good to begin with i'm just saying it made sense in 1933 but it makes nearly zero sense now

>>2199125
If you are indeed a polish i will remind you that poland is the Christ of Europe, okay?


>>2199144
Never forget the 10000000

>>2237829
>for what reason?
Alleged reason is strength in numbers, anyway its difficult to be independent when you dont have oil of your own

>>2241340
nonsense it's a commodity like any other, you can bu and sell it freely
strength in numbers? we don't need federalization for that, all we need are convergent interests which are btw easier to pursue without having to deal with internal politics of a pointless federal state



File: 1745593500961.jpeg (677.41 KB, 828x751, IMG_2061.jpeg)

 

For the jobs and enterprises that aren’t dedicated to consumerism—and even then some fields in art actually do matter quite a bit to public affairs—money alone cannot serve as the only motivation to pursue professionalism—especially in the long term. I’m not asking people to work for free, but disregarding the stability, growth, and health of society itself in favour of short term financial gains sounds both impulsive and dismissive of the reality of inflation and the limits of what money can actually buy depending on where you live.

Could you imagine what it would be like trying to organize preparations for an invasion, or encouraging people to work together to save people stuck in war zones, or even just to develop a coherent industrial program if the only motivator for why people would ever contribute to the cause was exclusively how large their paycheques were? There’s no constructive decision making or reason to preserve society itself at that point. Literally nothing would ever get accomplished in any moment of cash shortage, or a monetary collapse, or if people stopped trading in a specific currency, or if a bank collapsed, etc.

Whatever, this isn’t the biggest priority one should make regarding money given how many people don’t get paid for their work anyways, are enslaved, are held at gunpoint to work, or simply get paid less than the sum of money that they agreed too for their employers

>>2241299
fear and status are also motivators. Your welcome

>>2241299
Consumption is not a labor issue.

The real question is: is the Imperium of Man facist? Even during the Emeperor rule?

>>2241306
I’m not that socialized of a person. Why status? If you don’t like society (which describes a lot of people), why spend so much effort trying to impress others through acquiring social status? Wouldn’t dignity and privacy be preferred.
>>2241313
It’s a panspeciest, post gender, human supremacist, xenophobic, multicultural, anti-intellectual, quasi-feudal, militarized empire that uses genetically engineered human derivatives to maintain itself. I don’t know.

>>2241319
So the Imperium of Man is a mix of facist and progressive ideas?



File: 1745508777231.jpeg (99.92 KB, 926x599, IMG_7843.jpeg)

 

Another hard pill to swallow is that Western socialists should rather work on destroying the West than actually trying to build socialism in the imperial core, which is futile for obvious reasons. By destroying the West other regions of the world who are more receptive to socialism have their opportunities to do so. It goes without saying that you should also aid socialist movements in the third world. Once the West falls and the third world blooms you can just move to one of the 150+ third world countries. Choosing not to is either due to emotionality making you too invested in the random region you were born in as if it were an essential part of you or closeted racism.
32 posts and 3 image replies omitted.

>>2240344
>Few people could cause substantial damage.
Yeah like the RAF and Weathermen, who totally didn't just flail around impotently for a few years before getting caught and/or blowing themselves up.

>>2240700
The Weather Underground were ineffective because they were incompetent idiots and not just because of their size. The RAF put up sizable pushback, but you are comparing apples to oranges here because effectiveness can only be estimated in relation to a goal. The goal in the US’ case isn‘t to end colonial occupation like in Ireland but to accelerate the demise of the US. As said, merely voting for Trump was already a good example for that.

>>2239908
>>2239933
Yeah sorry Marx never envisioned the level of treats we have here
Join the Indian Maoists if you want anything to actually happen

an imperial core collapse will most likely be extremely violent and a better solution is a prolonged decay. internally, there's just a need to stave off fascism until power relations restabalize. capitalists would rather nuke themselves before giving up power, so unless you have a parallel internal power structure able to intervene there's no hope in a country without any revolutionary potential. if you want to throw your life away there was an example of how to do so successfully last year.

>>2240937
who in their right mind would want to turn the place they live in a giant battlefield unless they are litterally currently starving and getting shot at ? give me (1) civil war that erupted out of nowhere. even in the third world most people aren't starving.
even >>2240947 this makes more sense because you can just go back if you don't get caught and murdered and it was a nice "adventure"



Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]
[ 1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 /11 /12 /13 /14 /15 /16 /17 /18 /19 /20 /21 /22 /23 /24 /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31 /32 /33 /34 /35 /36 ]
| Catalog | Home