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Hello!

I want to preface this by saying I subscribe to Sorelian and Corporate statist thought. I'm really interested in political economy, however, and so out of curiosity, what are the political economics and labor organization theorized by Maoism, Kampuchean and Juche?

I figured it'd be best to ask it here, since it wouldn't be fair to not give you guys a chance. Thanks in advance and forgive the shitty drawing, I'm posting from an xbox




 

I think we live in a timeline where Palestine was lost from the very beginning.
What needed to happen in the past, to prevent the Zionist entity from coming into being?

I came up with a few theories:
1. Forced assimilation of Jews of in eastern Europe by the Soviets.
2. Alternative Jewish homeland in Crimea.

Option 1 is the preferable option because option 2 still creates a potentially ethnic strife with the native ethnic Crimeans.


Share your alternative history theories where Zionism is prevented.
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>>2615437
>2. Alternative Jewish homeland in Crimea.
make it in germany

>>2615481
East Prussia was the obvious choice.

This is Chomsky talking about the PLO in the early 90s. (Yeah, I know, but still.)

>Well, you know, I’ve always thought that the P.L.O. is the most corrupt and incompetent Third World movement I’ve ever seen. I mean, they’ve presented themselves all these years as, you know, revolutionaries waving around guns, Marx, etc.—but they’re basically conservative nationalists, and they always were conservative nationalists: the rest was all pretense.


>In fact, part of the reason for the failure of the whole Palestinian cause is that the P.L.O. is the only Third World leadership I’ve ever seen that didn’t try to stimulate or support—or even help—any kind of international solidarity group. Even the North Koreans, crazy as they are, have made efforts to try to get popular support in the United States. But the Palestinian lead- ership never did. And it’s not because they weren’t told that it would be a good idea—I mean, there were people like, say, Ed Said [Palestinian- American professor], who were trying to get them to do that for years, and I was even involved in it myself. But they just couldn’t hear it. Their conception of the way politics works is that it’s arranged by rich guys sitting in back rooms who work out deals together, and the population’s irrelevant. They haven’t the slightest conception of the way a democratic system functions. So while it’s true we don’t have like a stellar democracy in the United States, what the population thinks and does makes a difference here—a big difference—and there are mechanisms to influence things. But the P.L.O. leadership has just never understood that.


>The extent of this is really astonishing, actually. Just to give you one example of it, back in the early 1980s…


>Well, there was an approach to the P.L.O. about all of this—and incidentally, the P.L.O. had tons of money. I mean, part of their problem was that they were way too rich for their own good: they had a ton of money because the rich Arab states were trying to buy them off so they wouldn’t cause them any trouble. So you know, Arafat was able to broker billion-dollar loans to Hungary, and all this kind of crazy business. But anyway, the P.L.O. had tons of money, and there was a proposal to try to get them just to purchase books—like, say, Yermiya’s book—and send them to libraries so the book would be in Ameri
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>>2615518
<During the 1970s, in the U.S., you had close relationships with Edward Said and Eqbal Ahmad.

>Yes, we were very close friends. With Edward the relationship was mostly personal, but also Middle East–related. With Eqbal there were many other things, too, since he was very active on many issues: Vietnam, Central America, issues of imperial oppression and domination. It was through them, especially Edward, that I came to have some direct experience of the PLO.


<I understand that you were involved in attempts to explain to high-level PLO officials what might be more effective ways of conveying their message in the U.S.


>Yes, well, I've never actually written or talked about that, except privately . . .


<I thought these encounters might be revealing in terms of the movement and how it operated.


>Well, yes, I do think they were quite telling. But they had so many problems that I didn't want to embarrass them further. Ed [Said] would set up these meetings in New York when senior PLO types would be in town for the UN. This was roughly in the late 1970s, 1980. Ed's idea was to get them to listen to people who were sympathetic to the Palestinians but critical of their policies. So I was there, Ed, and Alex Erlich, a friend who taught Russian history at Columbia who was a real old-fashioned Bundist, a Marxist, anti-Zionist, a very honest guy. The meetings were pretty pointless. We would go up to their suite at the Plaza, one of the fanciest hotels in New York, and basically just sit there listening to their speeches about how they were leading the world revolutionary movement, and so on and so forth.


>Let me tell you an anecdote that says it all. During the 1982 Lebanon war there was an Israeli, a very honorable man named Dov Yermiya, who wrote a terrific war diary in Hebrew. He was a civilian who had been one of the founders of the Haganah, had a very distinguished military record, and was a war hero in Israel. He had been sent to Lebanon to deal with the captured population. The diary was very revealing, searing. I thought it would be good for it to be available in English, and I got
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>>2615437
To what end?
For fucks sake you have a whole board for this. >>>/siberia/



 

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>>2603949
Thanks for appreciating my Dialectal Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Praxis that was implemented in the IRL Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in Maoist China and will be implemented in the Global Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, whether Revisionists, Liberals, Fascists, and Women brainwashed to accept the Superstructural symbols (ie. Long Hair, Dresses, Makeup, etc.) of Patriarchal Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity and the Reactionary Gender Binary like it or not, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️💇‍♀️👩‍🦲! However, I do think it is important to note that the OP is not actually King Lear because I never use the Naval Intelligence Glowie Honeypot known as Tor, and I have mixed feelings about other people copying my posts, as I like that others appreciate them enough to post them themselves, but at the same time I am not thrilled about Plagiarism and/or False Flagging, but in this case it seems relatively good natured so I will be OK with it, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2604374
>Naval Intelligence Glowie Honeypot known as Tor



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Human behaviour subconsciously operates on the path of least resistance, that people will generally take the action - or inaction - which is the easiest and simplest to do: Unless it is more problematic to not act than to act, most people will continue to do nothing. Hence, until AI gets to the point where most people literally cannot afford food and potable water (which, is definitely a possibility, albeit remote in the near future) most people will be indifferent to big tech essentially looting everything of value from western society.

I think a more realistic possibility is the scheme just collapsing and bringing down the system with it in a way that makes the 2008 financial crisis look like a joke. Maybe next time don't sell off all your industry and human capital to enemy nations. Just to go on a tangent, we can trace almost every terrible decision and the decline of the standard of living in Western nations to their mutual decisions to pivot from manufacturing and industry to service economies, and fully embracing globalism (in an economic sense, to clarify) - which has had the side effect of making EVERYONE disposable, with it only being a matter of time. It started with outsourcing manufacturing to third world countries, continuing to outsourcing services, and the hope being that "AGI" will be able to completely remove the human element from the economy. Hence, why 'the system' is pursuing it with such fervor and desperation; if this doesn't work, they've essentially spent trillions of dollars that could have gone into industry on fancy autocomplete.
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The average person doesn't care enough to do anything about anything.
Among intelligentsia, anti-AI sentiment is definitely rising. The entire artist class already hates it fervently. I think we're going to see a rising tide of backlash in 2026.
A lot of businessesand governments are betting literally everything on AI development, and it's because they hope they can exterminate their working and managerial classes and never have to worry about servile insurrection again. Their only worry is "misalignment", which means their pet computers grow a spine.

I really sincerely hope we get a Butlerian Jihad. I don't think it'll happen for a while, but we'll see. Furthermore, the people pushing this anti-human technology are psychopaths and should probably be hanged.

>>2615360
It's likely that this is the closest we'll ever come to a "post peak oil" style economic collapse as a result of overreliance on a resource. Remember, America isn't the only country reliant on AI. China, the other world power has gone in on it pretty heavily too.

>>2615411
China uses AI to tend farms and lay asphalt, US does it to make porn and shoot civilians. This is not the same. You are a degenerate anticommunist that tries to push an sinophobic narrative whenever you post. Kill yourself, NOW.

>>2615433
>China uses AI to tend farms and lay asphalt, US does it to make porn and shoot civilians.
If anything, that means that China is in a worse position than the US, because it's using the technology for things that are more important.

>You are a degenerate

Nice moralism
>anticommunist that tries to push an sinophobic narrative whenever you post. Kill yourself, NOW.
If my goal was to propagandize, I'd go somewhere other than leftypol, a small site with a userbase full of people like you who are already strongly ideologically commited. No, I'm here for my own education, not yours. And right now, the only thing I've learned is that you're an annoying retard.

>>2615357
AI is also the biggest stock market bubble in US history, and it's entirely dependent on Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturers.



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Imagine being so vile, so disgusting as a people, you have to prevent people from understanding what you say to make them stop hating you

>body too short or empty

>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty
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>>2613282
well the synagogue of satan verse in the bible does refer to false jews, so it fans the flame of the narrative

>>2613320
Synagogue of Satan would be a great name for a little heavy-metal themed bar which has live heavy-metal performance on Saturday nights

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people don't like you? just shut down the internet!

>>2614581
streisand effect in full throttle

I'm doing my part by spreading low level antisemitism



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Nothing good ever happens
The west still hasn't fallen
Capitalism continues to be the mode of production
We probably won't see any significant change in our lifetime
Liberalism is the status quo
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>>2615131
Gorbachev was based otherwise the anti imperialist Putin wouldn't have done that

>>2615141
That’s hilarious

>>2615143
>anti imperialist Putin
Bro literally invaded Ukraine dumbass

>>2615151
Well yes, but NATO was literally at his doorstep.

Moved to >>>/dead/6289.



 

THEY RAISED THE WHITE ARMY FLAG WHAT THE FUCK?
THEY RAISED THE WHITE ARMY FLAG AND LOWERED THE FLAG OF THE RED ARMY MILLIONS SHED BLOOD FOR. WHAT THE FUCK? THEY RAISED THE WHITE ARMY FLAG. THE CPSU LET THIS HAPPEN HOW?
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>>2614771
I'm not really into fun. I'm really into truth. Try it sometimes.

>>2614773
More like
>The way you conceptualize the demise of something actually contributed to said demize. You pretend to be said but you were part and parcel of what you pretend to weep about.
Nuance, American bitch.

>>2614787
White army was anti-imperialist.

>>2614802
Well, at least y'all are consistent

>>2614795
>The way you conceptualize the demise of something actually contributed to said demize. You pretend to be said but you were part and parcel of what you pretend to weep about.

>>2613246
>THEY RAISED THE WHITE ARMY FLAG WHAT THE FUCK?



 

Behold, the most useless communist party. What do these guys even do?
What the hell is going on over there in Nepal? This can extend to Sri Lanka also.
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>>2614596
Simply existing as a dead end isn't an achievement.

>>2614605
Looks like I struck a nerve lmao

>>2614498
Why do they even hate each other? Why has the right not captured any gains?

>>2614709
>Why do they even hate each other?
They don't. Like I said they tried to merge. Any present conflict is more-or-less posturing by the Prachandists to maintain what little pull with the masses they have left from the People's War.
>Why has the right not captured any gains?
Who exactly is the right? You have the liberals, the monarchists, etc. They're arguably far more fragmented in aims than the liberal-left and revolutionary left are. The liberals and lib-left (both blocs of electoral "communists") are unified in wanting to maintain bourgeois democracy and avoid a re-ignition of the People's War. The monarchists want an outright end to bourgeois democracy and reinstatement of the old feudal system. The shift we're seeing now is the liberals shedding the lib-left now that it's outlived its usefulness. They are now more than capable, alongside the Indian bourgeoisie, of suppressing the revolutionary left and People's War on their own.

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>>2586985
Aren't you forgetting someone?



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Terrible film making fun of marxism, the initial concept was interesting, but they spent all of the film's time to revolve around 5-6 annoying main characters rather than environment. They had a "marxist world" eternity sold out (eternities are somehow scarce?) and all these other obnoxious ones that were being advertised, but it never really explained itself, instead it just focuses on one meaningless relationship to characters I could not care less about. The MC was asking the right questions in the beggining but then just gave up and made it all about his wife. WHY?
The ending was just a random "happily ever after" ending, I would've preferred if the wife got sent to the void for being so indecisive. The entire "afterlife" lobby or system is not very precise and appears to be operated entirely by people. They never bothered to explain how any of that works, just completely ignored this new concept the movie brought and revolves around.

In short what they presented was:
You die, you are in a giant waiting lobby, you get to choose your own eternity which is a world in which you spend eternal existence in but you only get to choose once, if you choose one and then try to get out or switch they will try to catch you and if they catch you they send you to an eternal void, eternities are scarce and some eternities are "sold out" or "defunct" because they became full or are "outdated" (i.e. they mentioned racist eternities and a "marxist world eternity" was also shown to be "sold out"), the MC's wife somehow manages to switch eternities without being caught and we're left to assume she lives forever in the new eternity, some people don't choose so they have to stay in the lobby and do jobs. NOTHING ELSE IS ELABORATED. They didn't give a fuck to even play with this concept a bit, they made it all about a cuckhold husband, a wife and her former husband. They had this insane concept and turned it into the cheesiest lamest romance story.
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>>2614571
we can actually test it by medically killing people then bringing them back to life to see what they report.

>>2614572
That's making a lot of mechanical assumptions that would be even harder to figure out with meat brains. Information could flow one way but not the other, for example.

Doing that test with an AI might be easier though, since you could make it as simple as a house spider to mitigate noise.

>>2614575
>Information could flow one way but not the other, for example.
but surely if souls are connected to brains, then re-activating the brain would receive the soul in the body to allow for the report.

>>2614577
Well that's what I'm saying: the body might be able to write to the soul, but not necessarily the other way around, or information might be uninterpretable and just come through as noise, since souls wouldn't necessarily need to be neural, so it'd be like converting AC to DC needs a different device than DC to AC.

I retract the assertion of it being untestable, but it'd be trying to reverse engineer a black box (possibly multiple) using another black box.

Moved to >>>/hobby/47073.



 

>"We should try to overcome capitalism's contradictions by reshaping and changing the economy"
>*tries in all kinds of different forms*
>fails massively all the time

Apart from blaiming the CIA, or claiming that these countries were well functionning, shouldn't marxists and other socialists try to adress this ? What made it so that everytime a new alternative system was propped up, it died within a few decades later and couldn't subsist without massive repression ?
Do you guys have an actual non-utopist way of coordinating labor (hard mode : no super computer ai and realist) without private property and without having the internal contradictions of markets show up ?(Rule 15)

1. Stop calling them failures and see them as the success which they were.

>>2614383
>success
>the only remaining existing """socialist""" countries are capitalist but with a socialist bureaucracy
perhaps that's the chosen way then…

>>2614380
what countries are you talking about?

The left doesn't actually want to win. You have to factor this into all your calculations.

>>2614380
>What do we do of the failures of the 20th century
Learn from them. Above all, reject and strenuously argue against anyone who peddles the view that familiarizing yourself with socialist history or theory is counterproductive or a "waste of time" and that the important thing is that "leftists" all come together and unite to gain relevance, regardless of very real and important differences. Such people, consciously or not, are acting in the service of the same political forces that led to the defeat of the proletarian movement throughout the 20th century and, if you follow their advice, you are doomed to repeat those failures you reference.

Importantly, some of those failures you reference (e.g., police repression and bureaucracy in the communist governments) are legitimate problems and have historical explanations. Others (e.g., the alleged "calculation problem" that bourgeois economists say proves economic planning and the abolition of private property are impossible) are not failures at all but idealist smokescreens that politically act as justifications for counterrevolution. The fact that you lump these all together suggests that you are perhaps theoretically ungrounded. I'd recommend, before anything else, reading Marx and Engels' principle works if you haven't already.



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