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Iranian ship thought to be used as military base attacked, says Tehran
Officials in Tehran said on Wednesday that the MV Saviz had been targeted in the Red Sea, a day after media reports said the ship had suffered damage after being hit by limpet mines. Images broadcast by Iran’s semi-official Tasnim news agency showed parts of the ship on fire. Tasnim said an explosion had targeted the hull.

Kim says North Korea facing its ‘worst-ever situation’
The comments, reported by state media on Wednesday, came as experts warn Kim is facing perhaps his toughest moment as he approaches a decade in rule, with North Korea’s coronavirus lockdown unleashing further shock on its sanctions-battered economy.

Main opposition party against mining wins Greenland election
With all votes counted Wednesday, the left-leaning Community of the People party (Inuit Ataqatigiit) had secured 37% of the votes, entitling it to 12 seats in the Greenlandic national assembly, the 31-seat Inatsisartut. Its biggest rival, the ruling center-left Forward (Siumut) party took the the second spot with 29% of the votes, giving it 10 seats in the legislature.

Polisario Front slam France and Spain over independence referendum delay and demand seat at UN
THE Polisario Front accused France and Spain of impeding a referendum on independence for Western Sahara on Monday as the separatist group demanded a seat at the United Nations. Spokesman OuldPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Oh fuck is the DPRK facing that much difficulties?
<read article
>Improving the people’s living standards … even in the worst-ever situation in which we have to overcome unprecedentedly numerous challenges depends on the role played by the cells, the grassroots organisations of the party
How the fuck do they butchered his quote this bad to just push an agenda? Kim is speaking in a hypothetical scenario!


Greece: “Our Hatred for the Police Will Bring Us Together”
It is the beginning of April and the mental impact of the lockdown has become even more surreal as the seasons change. The acts of resistance over the past few weeks have been both beautiful and terrifying. Meanwhile, the government continues to restrict our freedoms while opening Greece to tourists and business—in spite of infection rates averaging between 3000 and 4000 cases of COVID-19 a day, putting Greece third to last in the EU in terms of managing the crisis. In the following report, we describe the conclusion of the hunger strike of Dimitris Koufontinas, the clashes of March 9, and more. This report is brought to you by Radio Fragmata. You can read our previous reports from Greece starting here. A full list of resources on struggles in Greece is included at the end.

Biden to Ukraine: “Unwavering Support for Euro-Atlantic Aspirations”
Last Friday Joe Biden had his first call with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky Friday. Afterward, Zelensky stated, “We discussed the situation in Donbas in detail. President Biden assured me that Ukraine will never be left alone against Russia’s aggression.” In the White House readout of the call, Biden “affirmed the United States’ unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia’s ongoing aggression in the Donbas and Crimea.” Meanwhile, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin called his counterpart in Kyiv. According to the Pentagon readout, “Secretary Austin reaffirmed unwavering US support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, and Euro-Atlantic aspirations.” (See for reference Victoria Nuland’s description of the U.S.’ $ 5 billion investment in regime change in Ukraine as of 2014 as one in its “European aspirations.” The talking point term remains “aspirations.” But no reference to Pentagon aspirations to throttle Russia.) “Euro-Atlantic aspirations” means membership in NATO and the EU (that’s the usual sequence), the expansion of the Russia-NATO border by 1400 miles, and NATO’s virtual encirclement of Russia. What would go wrong with such a noble plan?
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> A small but growing number of world leaders including Pope Francis and French President Emmanuel Macron have begun citing an offense they say poses a similar threat to humanity and remains beyond the reach of international criminal law: ecocide, or widespread destruction of the environment.

Can't wait for the West to use this one against any 3rd world country that doesn't fall in line with its agenda now that it's outsourced most dirty industries and production




>Destroyes the environment to build its productive forces and wealth
>Dosent let the browns do it because itll fuck up the environment too
>They keep the riches they stole while the rest of humanity has to suck up poverty and misery
I hate the west so hard

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So far, every successful proletarian revolution has occurred in poor countries. It seems that the standard of living is too high for most first worlders to think it is worthwhile to revolt against their governments. Only people living in desperate circumstances seem to do so. I mean, can you imagine the people in pic related being revolutionaries? A lot of leftypolers have pointed out that, in some first countries, by some metrics, living standards have declined. However, they do not seem to have declined anywhere near enough to trigger a revolution, and it seems unlikely that they will in the foreseeable future.

That said, do you think revolution is possible in the first world? If not, what other goal(s) should first world leftists pursue?
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United States
>inb4 Homeless camps
There were about 580,466 homeless people in the United States in 2020, which is less than 0.2% of the total US population. Additional, this number is actually down from a high of 647,258 in 2007.


Ah, you concede that you have no arguments





>Most methodologies miss unsheltered homeless peopleIndividual COCs determine their own counting procedures using guidelines issued by HUD. Generally, the counts are conducted over a single night using volunteers, homeless service provider staff, advocates, and occasionally members of law enforcement. These types of visual street counts are problematic for several reasons. The first is that the people need to be seen in order to be counted, however, a study of shelter users in New York found that 31% slept in places classified as “Not-Visible” the night of the count.5 This problem is exacerbated by the increase in laws that criminalize homelessness. As documented in Housing Not Handcuffs, the Law Center’s 2016 report that reviewed the laws in 187 cities around the country, laws that criminalize necessary human activities performed in public places such as sitting, lying, sleeping, loitering, and living in vehicles are prevalent and increasing.

Gonna be honest if I was homeless I'd deliberately want to avoid places where I'd be easily seen while sleeping. Very easy to get robbed or accosted by law enforcement if people can see you asleep.


Can someone give me a better count then?

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"I want to break free!"

Well, not in the way as implied in that clip, tho. I think that when comparing the """freedom quotient""" of the Eastern Bloc to the Western Bloc's a lot is getting missed.

Let me give you an example:
>1985, Eastern Bloc
>You literally DON'T have the freedom to die of cancer – there's a whole set of bureaucratically organized system that is making sure that you get the proper treatment, at the very least elongating your life span for another 10 years.

>2020, Western Bloc

>Do you have health insurance? No? You die now, lol.

This, ultimately, brings out the MAIN DIFFERENCE between the Marxist understanding of "freedom," or at the very least its emphasis, as opposed to the "capitalist" one and its emphasis.

<Marxist "freedom":

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tbf both are interesting


Why was it spoiled? Do the mods need glasses?


Probably my fault sorry I'm tired so my visions blurred and there was a flood earlier which got me into the habit of reporting without thinking so I just muscle memoried nsfw spoiler plz when I reported this and the mods just took me at my word because I'd been reporting the flood


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How is this pic wrong, LOL?


Tbh spoiler add a subtility because you click expecting NSFW making you likely to see it as such…

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With Hawaii verging on UBI, and considering universal healthcare again, when do you suppose we will see a full socialist Hawaii (nationalized means of production and all)? And how can we further the push for this?
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Most of these places have large non native populations or are wholly reliant on the US for their economies usually both.


Nicaragua recognizes Taiwan as the legitimate chinese government.


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When is our QUEEN going to make Hawai'i Nazbol? 2036?


Pink Wave countries are more China-aligned. Nicaragua is still pink wave, unless I'm mistaken.

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The fate of the Red Movement in the event of a victory of the Central Powers?
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Idk but in OPs scenario a cold war between USA and Germany seems inevitable, maybe the CIA would instigate socialist coups in UK,France and their former colonies to help destabilize the German empire.


Oh wait I just saw central powers control Ukraine. Well its game over for the bolsheviks then. They can't even feed themselves so it would be under the thumb of the germans


>maybe the CIA would instigate socialist coups


>literally any alt-history threads
into the trash it goes


Yes, Russia/Asia would become Germany's South America in this timeline.

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So now that we were remembering old leftypol i would like to talk about a thread in the past, that happened right after oldBO purged everyone, and i would like to talk about the topic again, it is about this article.
used in this post
> for cockshott
< for smith
>> for marx


in it cockshott claims that later in life marx return to the smithian definition of productive labour, and gives a very convoluted proof it, lets see what he has to say:

>The theory of unproductive labour originates with the philosopher Adam Smith, who was very critical of the old feudal order in Scotland. One of the disadvantages of this order was the way, he claimed, that a large part of the population were employed as the servants or retainers of the aristocracy.

He begins here with a bit of history of the concept in smith, here he makes us aware that he knows why smith was compelled into creating the concept, although he later on shows that he can't see how these material conditions would affect the concept itself

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this thread is about the refutation of the article, and arguing about it, if you want to start arguing about an off comment i did about the answers then go to another thread i'll hapily join you, otherwise the one that is moving the goalposts here is you (making the thread about whether or not the responses were consistent instead of what the article says)
So if you have no refutation of the responses, and have nothing to say about the topic then please kys and leave this thread


You can't even properly formulate what's in the article. You are literally to stupid to parse it. Same reason you had trouble with the comments and will have trouble with any other comment that actually addresses what's in the article.


>responds with an adhom, instead of responding with a counter argument to the responses
start making arguments any time anon


i have never read mr. dickblast's works so i have no opinion on him but this intrigued me. what would you define as physically productive? i get that productivity is generaly understood as when labour adds value to a commodity. but what is phisycal productivity?


read the cockshott post, it's literally the subject

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>Eilenburg - On Tuesday, Interior Minister Roland Wöller (50, CDU) warned of an " explosive increase " in left-wing violence in Saxony. Today, Thursday, the escalation reached a new high. Disguised as police officers, a thugs detachment went to a young NPD politician at home in Eilenburg and smashed his legs.

>At around 5.25 a.m., the doorbell rang at the 30-year-old's door. Shortly afterwards, according to witness statements, the words "Open, police" and rams banging on the door could be heard.

>When Rzehaczek opened the door, he was pushed to the ground by five people dressed in black and masked with balaclavas. These are said to have worn vests with the inscription "Police".

>The JN functionary realized that these were not civil servants when the masked men hit his lower legs and ankles with a hammer. As TAG24 learned from legal circles, the strangers apparently purposefully smashed both ankles of the victim. They may have known that Rzehaczek was about to complete a driving instructor training course.

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That was just one of Gempp's statements. Gemp also said that it must have been several people and not one who set the Reichstag on fire. See the German Wikipedia entry. Here is something more reliable than Wikipedia: https://www.welt.de/print/wams/article141408519/Indizien-gegen-die-Einzeltaeterthese.html (Welt is a mainstream moderately conservative newspaper).


Yea, call me when there is a nuclear fusion coz that shit is dope on a theoretical level.


It is preferable to fossil fuels for nuclear production and more feasible than renewables in many parts of the world. The question then becomes if the utility of such a project is outweighed by corruption and so on


Agree. Would love if someone could explain me like i'm a child why porkie built nuclear power gets a free pass here despite being disaster after disaster?


porky building a nuclear plant is preferable to relying on porky's coal and gas plants. Nuclear energy causes far fewer deaths and disasters as well

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>Military build-up in the Donbass on both sides
>Putin has political difficulties at home to distract from
>Zelenskiy saying "for the first time Ukraine has a plan to deoccupy and reintegrate Crimea"
<He also made a decree which said that Ukraine will deoccupy Crimea and the LPR and the DPR in three months, no more than that.
>Biden saying of Putin "The price he’s going to pay, you’ll see shortly".
>Ukraine has stated that it will deport every "illegal occupier" out of Crimea.
>Putin had a secret meeting with Macron and Merkel, behind Ukraine's back.
>Russia is mobilizating itself, so much that farmers are having logistical problems because trains are pretty occupied getting military stuff from one part to the other.
>The top general of the US has talked with the top general of Ukraine.
>A lot more shit I'm lazy to write out, check the other generals.

War's on the horizon, war in the East. This is a thread for that.

First General:
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>OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) Daily Report 79/2021 issued on 7 April 2021
>In Donetsk region, the Mission recorded 55 ceasefire violations. In the previous 24 hours, it recorded 65 ceasefire violations in the region.
>In Luhansk region, the SMM recorded two ceasefire violations. In the previous 24 hours, it recorded no ceasefire violations in the region.


Someone make a new thread


Looks like, it was a nothingburger afterall. Putin cucked out.


I warned you guys, but you didn’t listen, LOL.



really? weapons still stockpiled and ukraine is refusing to continue negotiations in Minsk

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Can somebody give me the breakdown on the Sandinistas I thought they were ousted from power but appertly they are back as the ruling party of Nicaragua what are their current polices and foreign policy.
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I'm glad to see redfish and not the Vice doc.
Looks like the opposition is triying to unite for the next elections.
Gladly looks like they are divided.


>Lesther Aleman y su analisis de las elecciones
<Lesther Aleman (oposition leader of the youth uprising of 2018) and his analysis of the elections


>t.home-schooled fascist retard


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Unironically just a worse america I believe where instead of just voting for 2 parties they just kinda vote him again in power.

No real reason why, he just kind of Santa Anna his way in


touch grass

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lately i've been seeing a lot of communists embrace the idea that nothing can be done for socialism except to wait and let some kind of theoretical chinese takeover, i feel like that might be counter productive and lazy as well as repeating the mistakes made by the communist parties of yesteryear that relied far too much on the foreign backing of the ussr, china won't help your movement in the long run however they will however damage it, china's out for china's own interests and everything else is up for debate, your movement will be seen not as some party to represent the people or socialism but instead as some kind of collaboration movement similar to the groups that joined in the government of vichy france or yeltsin in modern day russia. i'm not saying you have to be anti-china, just that having your rhetoric constantly be shilling for china and holding a disdain for everyone around you isn't a good mentality to have and china in all honesty won't help you or whatever movement you are promoting.
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In burgerland it literally wouldn't be any different. Infustructure might get built instead of trillions getting dumbed into retarted hyper loops that won't ever get built. As for the OP I defend China because

1) Biden has already flatly said that this new cold war is because China is a rising power

2) it makes people seeth and it's a good rhetorical tool.

Like I can understand if you hate China if you're in Thailand. But all hate towards China in the west, especially America stems from jealously. Defending China is pointless here because the propaganda has set in already. I had otherwise reasonable coworkers cry about uighurs and completely forgot about the child trafficking camps at our borders. I've been making head way telling people that we can't compete with China because we're capitalist. That our system is doomed for collapse. This bill Maher clip does a lot of the work here except he blames our collapsing infustructure on idpol instead of Capitalism.


>inb4 China pulls an uno reverse card on the west and integrated Pakistan into China as 'Really East Turkestan'


>I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never said that, and the CPC has never said that.
Oh please, “China needs to develop the productive forces before they can implement a planned system” is something Dengists say to justify China’s current policy all the damn time.
>China's geopolitical strategy relies on maintaining a market economy open to international investment.
In what sense? If China were to expropriate all private property in the next few years, how would that make their current geopolitical strategy unviable? Does the Belt and Road need private property to work? Moreover, what changes to the geopolitical situation would allow them to abandon their current policy in favour of a planned system? I’ve also seen other China supporters claim that nowadays foreign investment plays only a minor role in the Chinese economy. So which is it?


My neolib John Oliver loving teachers all admitted China was destined to become the #1 economy and nothing could really stop them, I think the bread and circuses will stop working sometime in the future


>In what sense? If China were to expropriate all private property in the next few years, how would that make their current geopolitical strategy unviable? Does the Belt and Road need private property to work? Moreover, what changes to the geopolitical situation would allow them to abandon their current policy in favour of a planned system? I’ve also seen other China supporters claim that nowadays foreign investment plays only a minor role in the Chinese economy. So which is it?

Its built on liberal economic foundations so inecessitates the continuation of liberal policies in order to make it work. The reason why the yuros are getting suck into it is because they stand to make a lot of money from the production and movement of goods and services that these private arteries will bring, ultimately, to the end nodes of trade in yurop

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