/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1811863
The mediterraneans saw northern europeans and steppe people as low autism score subhumans that poop in the streets, live in mudhuts and have sex with their horses (and are of course gay because they ride their horsies too much, teehee), just like you see the other peoples of the world.

<Those swarthy Arabs will never conquer the Middle East, Iran, Central Asia, North-West India, Indonesia with their language and religion!

History repeats itself. This is the end times of 500 years of european domination, before that other peoples dominated this world. Give way, anything else is reactionary and will be swiftly defeated in the coming centuries.

>>1811863
how about you stop being a race-cucked faggot?

>>1812310
No
>>1812300
I'm sure they did, but they were wrong, they were just other white people living in colder areas which were not suitable for agriculture at the time. l hope you don't think i'm a sperg when l say this but even in prehistory, europeans really punched against our weight in worldwide influence. The country with the most people in the world today speaks a language that comes from white bronze age invaders who then proceeded to crreate a caste system a few hundred years later where the whitest of society dominated it. This idea that every people have their turn in the spotlight is just not true
>>1812090
I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the black communist who was disgusted by how english people were not hard enough since they didn't live in a hellhole? What exactly does pampered passivity mean here? Is it the virtues of living in a functioning society? Do we need mandatory bouts in the thunderdome for every citizen? You're identifying problems without really connecting the problems with the things you're talking about. Can you explain what spiritual problems are you talking about too, like do you mean the mindset of white people or something?

White people didn't submit to liberalism, we just allowed liberalism to do its thing and liberalise. I'm not against liberalism and i'm not a fascist, and tying liberalism with our own decadence seems very wrong. We are not decadent people, and in the past we were more decadent than what we are right now. In the past we killed each other more, raped more, oppressed more, constantly making decisions with lead poisoning etc. Only good thing was we had higher T. Do you mind specifically telling me which rising powers are going to overtake western powers like america for example? Could you also paint me a picture of how an alliance of based races are going to coexist in a fascist nation? I'm sure u know how many spergy white identitarians exist out there, as well as fascists, but black AFUN tier people are even worse

>>1811927
arent hispanics white or atleast larpers they seem get all weird and sensitive whenever i mention spanish is a white language. it seems to trigger some damage to their pride or identity. its kinda of funny and annoys my mexican gf

>>1812582
>Are you saying that the black communist who was disgusted by how english people were not hard enough since they didn't live in a hellhole?
Yes, to put it succinctly. But "hellhole" here is a loaded term. The basic point is that even in domination, races can have mutual self-relation, where in a liberal society, people live by the rule of property and exclusion, not by any holistic principle of belonging. This happened after the american slaves were "liberated" too, where they were just left in the wilderness, and of course, so many went back to their masters. I'm not saying we necessarily need "masters", but we need a self-conception of a society; an identity.
>Can you explain what spiritual problems are you talking about too, like do you mean the mindset of white people or something?
Yes. While other peoples are developing a sense of political subjectivity by simulating their histories, whites have become nihilistic and cowardly. Complacent.
>In the past we killed each other more, raped more, oppressed more, constantly making decisions with lead poisoning etc.
Theres nothing wrong with these things in principle. Its the program of universal peace that makes us so hopeless. We are still violent, but we externalise it to imperialist ventures. It would be good to turn that tyranny inwardly so we are fashioned into the order we impress on the world.
>Could you also paint me a picture of how an alliance of based races are going to coexist in a fascist nation? I'm sure u know how many spergy white identitarians exist out there, as well as fascists, but black AFUN tier people are even worse
Think of a military. You have all races there who are made to conform to a common excellence. Thats my vision. Think of our artists today. We have all races making great things. Its already in process, this "aristocratic" class interest.
Like i say, the wignats are peasants, they like their trailer parks segregated. But a NATION must be built on higher causes. Think though of the bourgeois concerns about blacks. They say its about crime; its about protecting property. Its not an ontological discrimination, but a civil one.
I think most conservatives wouldnt care if blacks werent so lumpen, but this requires rPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1811774
>endwokeness
All "anti-woke" accounts on twitter are run by zionist neocon ghouls.

>>1811774
There's truly no end to this horror! Surely, they will spike your burgers with hormones to make you a trans!

>>1811787
Mia Khalifa: no body doubles, no stuntwomen, no cartoonish cgi. I'll take her everyday.

>>1811787
>London has been CONQUERED
Hamas can't keep getting away with it.

>>1786128
What quote? The Sinclair Lewis one about fascism?

>>1786132
I've heard that Americanism bit before. Whatever, plagiarism isn't real. None of the courts or universities here are real. Social media post attributions? Buddy you better not believe that's real. Balls to the wall, ignore me from before.

>>1786078

Got details?

>>1786307
I don't have one cohesive text to point to here it's across several so I will hunt down the book screenshots about Maoist ecosocialism. John Bellamy Foster's good article-wise

>>1785688
deng was basically khrushchev but less deluded into thinking he was a communist. At least deng said he didn't even know what socialism was

>>1789214
>A collective group of similar people look funny at outsiders
Wait till you learn what the average union man thought about black people under Nixon…

Shucks OP. You found the one thing that has no materialist explanation.
Amerikkkans are just genetically authoritarian, and these these reactionary little burbclaves emerge as part of their innate ethology.

>>1789214
Home OWNERS Association. Make the connection there. Your liberal tactic of trying to relate it to communism because they call themselves an association makes no sense because the idea of a HOA is firmly rooted in capitalism. The function of a HOA is for a bunch of boomers to get together and ban shit in order to (what they believe will) raise the value of their property by doing all sorts of capitalist nonsense like mandating using imported grass in your lawn which is awful for the environment or banning walking.

>>1808234
Did you really bumb this thread from oblivion just so you can say obvious things to fell smart.
Just use the sage function anon.

>>1789282
read him liberal

Freight railroads must keep 2-person crews, according to new federal rule 2 years in the making
There has been intense focus on railroad safety since a fiery February 2023 derailment in Ohio, but few significant changes have been made apart from steps the railroads pledged to take themselves and the agreements they made to provide paid sick time to nearly all workers. Such changes include adding hundreds more trackside detectors and tweaking how to respond to alerts from them. A railroad safety bill proposed in response to the derailment has stalled in Congress.
https://apnews.com/article/two-man-train-crew-railroad-rule-72393a8ad58584ba2c5cdda8f2361130

'Let Them Eat GDP Reports': 44 Million Americans Are Food Insecure
"Let them eat GDP reports," Hunger Free America declared of the 44 million Americans—including 13 million children—who live in food insecure households, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. GDP is the market value of all the finished goods and services produced in a country over a certain time period. Critics have long argued against using it as the premier indicator of how a nation is doing.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/food-insecurity-in-the-us

Federal judge orders independent audit of LA programs tackling homelessness, including Inside Safe
Inside Safe is now part of an audit ordered by federal Judge David O. Carter of all homelessness assistance programs funded or conducted by the city of Los Angeles. The plaintiff in the federal case is the LA Alliance for Human Rights, a group of business owners, residents and members of the unhoused population who are upset over how taxpayer dollars are being spent on homelessness.
https://abc7.com/federal-judge-orders-independent-audit-of-la-programs-tackling-homelessness-including-mayor-karen-bass-inside-safe-program/14604380/

Wisconsin voters are deciding whether to ban private money supportPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

CP of Venezuela, Political Declaration of the XVI National Conference of the PCV
The "Alberto Lovera" XVI National Conference of the PCV in its second phase, held on Sunday, March 17, 2024, at the national headquarters of the Central Committee and previously convened by the VIII Plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Venezuela (PCV), held on March 10, 2024, evaluated the national situation characterized by the growing deterioration in the living conditions of the working class and the people in general as a result of the continuity of the neoliberal policies of the government of Nicolás Maduro and his authoritarian style of government, which deepen the dependence and unequal distribution of socially produced wealth, unloading the full weight of the capitalist crisis and the criminal imperialist sanctions on the working people, while protecting capitalist profits and the privileges of the mafia elites.
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Venezuela-Political-Declaration-of-the-XVI-National-Conference-of-the-PCV/

Biden is still the best US president Israel could wish for
United States President Ronald Reagan’s order to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin to put an end to his “holocaust” in Lebanon is perhaps the best-known political anecdote from Israel’s 1982 invasion. Less known, however, is the enthusiastic defence for that very same “military operation” – dubbed “Operation Peace for the Galilee” – offered by a young democratic senator at a private meeting where Begin was being grilled by US lawmakers over Israel’s disproportionate use of force. According to Begin, 40-year-old Delaware Senator Joe Biden delivered “a very impassioned speech” in support of Israel during a closed Foreign Policy Committee meeting in Washington, DC and said “he would go even further than Israel” and “forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children”. Begin, a former leader of the Irgun, the notorious armed group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing during the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre, was by his own account stunned by Biden’s chutzpah. “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” Begin later toldPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thank you News Anon

IM NOT WORTHY

chipping in just in case it's not clear: get organized. for the love of god just get organized.

>>1752616
holy cringe
putin just nuke us already I can't take it anymore
i don't care if russia is capitalist america does not deserve to exist anymore

Join an org

>>1751911
>How do I stat making a real impact on society?
No one really knows otherwise we'd already have a strong commie foundation in most of the modern world. The reality is that capitalist systems violently opress pro-revolutionists of the left kind so you can't meaningfully advocate for politicial uprising of a working class without putting a target on your back. Most people are retarded and only know about leftism through liberal and conservative state propaganda. That being said. Go out. Find a communist organization that isn't trying to sell your newspapers or books but actively gets out there protesting with the workers. Get involved with local politics and look out whether your communist organization is involved with that. If not, don't bother with them. You first gotta fix what you can before you can take on the world. Educate your friends and family by gifting them a commie book for christmas or birthday. Get eductated yourself and try having a higher industry job because there is enough leftist theorists in the world.

>>1770964
>Man fuck mutual aid programs. They’re always filled with glowies and are super incompetent
>Yeah Agent, I mean comrade Smith
>I am super radical ;^)
>Direct action, hmmmm how do I know if you're committed
>Maybe we can talk after a few more food banks
Gotta grift the FBI counter-revolutionary slush fund somehow.

>>1811024
> the most left-leaning region is my own (Tuscany), Tuscany is even called "La Rossa"
*angry Romagna noises*

>>1811206
FUCK YOUUUU I LOVE ZAIA, I LOVE ZAIA I WILL FIGHT FOR OUR GLORIOUS DOGE ZAIA
Roma IS A FUCK,
NEVER PAY LAZY SOUTHERNERS
39470384 HAVE RECEIVED TRANSGENDER HORMONES
Veneto is an incredible region much better than any other southern italian regions,im not even from Veneto and i know this
we will get our Padania, we will get our Doge and we will win against Roma ladrona
if you support self determination you support the venetian people

>>1811242
> Rumagna mentioned
🥳

>>1811419
the heroin dealings are an european problem not just specifically a Veneto problem
Veneto is just generally where they get shipped as it has large harbours and clearly better infrastracture than south Italy

>>1811242
if Tuscany today is so right wing it's because of Renzi mostly, he was incredibly popular in Tuscany and many even voted for his referendum
he shifted his voters more and more to the right as he criticised even the most basic left wing socdem ideas

>>1810835
its a very long process. Honestly universities are the most ripe for radicalizing but if you're not a student maybe don't.

If I had to do it, I'd start with maybe philosophy discussion cafes, maybe leftist hangout like a cook out BBQ, or look up activist groups and start getting to know people there.

It takes a shit ton of sustained effort. My communist org started with like 4 people and it took like 5 years to get it to 50 members. Lots of trial and error in a reactionary city.

>There is precious little in the way of explicitly communist organising.
>If you were entering into a new city for the first time for the purpose of radicalizing it. What places would you go to? Who would you think is most important to talk to? What events, organisations or meetings would you hold to move towards increasing radicalization in the city?
Join the most left wing mass organisation that exists in your city, even if its socdems. There you might find people who are marxists or at least anti capitalist but havent, like you, found a party to go to.
Look if there are any capitalism critical lectures going on somewhere, like in schools, attend them.
Make these connections. Go hang out in the bar with them or whatever. Discuss politics in the city to gauge them and activate them.
Once you've got some people more or less on the "well this sucks, why does the largest party here suck, we need something else" do a reading group together or have some discussion meetings together. Go from there.

Cheers for the ideas!

Got any Palestine marches or direct actions like pickets? Those can lead you to unions and socialist orgs if any exist, some hide behind front orgs to allow non-socialists to feel more comfortable joining the action. Def ask the more radical union folk which orgs they work with.

It's hard when cities have eliminated their third spaces. Environmental groups usually have a few anti-capitalists, OP just chain yourself to a tree.

>>1768716
Fighting ghosts in your mind
>>1768721
Best take on China I've read in a long time

>>1769282
We really are about to go to war, aren't we?

>>1768721

I mean i do agree there is certainly a chance that China could end up just turning into a Soc-dem state, but i think thats unlikely nor do i think the CPC will basically turn into "Capitalisims Psycharatrist" as for the former, social democracy is only possible if the exploitation of labour can be "outsourced" to other countries (which the western european states, the major social democratic states, could do) this is something which china cannot, nor seems interested, in doing, again, the CPC seem to be more interested in engaging in "mutually benefical" diplomacy rather than "lE EpIc SoFt ImPeRiAlIsM" that the social democratic states engaged in order to keep the Capitalist Class happy, this can largely be seen in China's "Belt and road" initative along with many other projects in africa, which, in laymens terms, is basically the chinese saying "You get schools, hospitals, and other infrastructural facilities, in exchange, we get to take SOME of your natural resources to feed our industries at home." which while is certainly NOT the chinese being virtuous by any means but is certainly not the chinese engaging in imperialisim like the western world (or soft imperialisim in the case of the modern western goverments) as the states that engaging with the Chinese do receive tangible benefits to there country in the form of industrial investment which helps for these countries (often post imperialists states that where still getting exploited by the west) to develop and improve the lives of there people and actually industrialise there respective countries, well its no real surpise why the west is losing a shit tone of influence in the third world.

Another reason for why i don't think china will become social democratic (even if Xi dies) is mostly just due to the fact that there aren't really a whole lot of people within the CPC that you can really say are Soc-dems, and even then most of those sorta people where either killed or forced to keep there heads down when Xi purged the party in the purge of 2015.

TL;Dr, I do agree there is a CHANCE that the CPC could potentially become capitalisims fireman but i think its extremely fucking unliekly, and in all honesty i think that sorta notion within the CPC has dimished considerbly since the 2010s (Aka due to Xi's purges and also due to the absolute shitstorm the western world, and mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1810928
>there is certainly a chance that China could end up just turning into a Soc-dem state
nonsense

>>1810943

>nonsense.

Yeah i'm not going to lie the chance of china becoming a soc dem state and the CPC capitalisims fireman is increadibly fucking small (like less than 5%) but its still something that could happen, even if the chance of that happening is really fucking low, though at this point i don't think it will happen even if Xi dies.

A simple way to materially ground thoughts on China in favour and against vibes based idealism is the party position on property. Currently 'loaned out' to capital but still ultimately all in the legal hands of state and thus party as the final arbiter and holder of leverage. Thus popular control of the final lever of the economy.
Even in a perfected social democracy with a 1000-term FDR reich - the enshrinement of private property puts the interests of the creditor, rentier and banker above the state. Whose legally protected wealth will be become the state and erode such a counterfactual just as in Europe in reality
Should the CPC ever surrender this control of property as judge, jury and executioner of rents; then its over. Until that happens, China remains structurally socialist from a vulgar material measurement however bad faith individual actors within its political economy are.

>>1793731
Materialism is anti-idealist.
Dialectics is anti-metaphysical.

>>1794100
Provide an example of something metaphysical that, were it to exist, would be immune to material analysis without in-of-itself becoming a material condition to be considered in material analysis of other things. You can't.

A praxis based understanding of reality is more scientifically correct than one of assertions of existence and non-existence. If something is irrelevant to praxis, then both assertions of it's existence and non-existence are idealism. If something is relevant to praxis, then there is no ambiguity that it exists in some capacity, thus the assertion is a non-nonsensical shadow of that idealism. Anything else is reddit atheism.

idk i think some of the anti-metaphysics stuff is dogmatic and refers to a specific kind of metaphysics that is more narrow. it always seemed weird to me that some subsets of marxists were so anti-metaphysics when imo marxism also has a metaphysics. like even though lenin went super hard on idealists he also said that berkelian idealism or especially hegel was closer to marx then the positivists and i think a lot of his word choice was specific to the time and the popular understanding of things among the people. i think when they say metaphysics in this sense they mean unexamined assumptions or taking observations as given without reflection. same with materialism, it can be difficult to tell if people mean dialectical materialism or vulgar physicalism, and it also doesn't help that a lot of vulgar physicalists think that they are the true materialists that subscribe to "no ideology" or people who just say they are dialectical materialists without understanding dialectics

>>1793661
>That's fine but if materialism is a purely political consideration for you then I'm not interested.
Stop smoking weed and start changing the world. I dont give a shit about philosophy i just want to have security, a planet that dorsnt die and stop having homeless people or genocides existing.

>>1793689
Those ‘fascist’ considerations were the subject of many many many essays by the Red Guards, you wrecker dolt.