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There's a balance between conspiratorial thinking and over-applying Occam's razor. Occam's razor, basically says that when several explanations fit the facts, the simplest one that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the best starting point. It works well in the natural sciences because nature often follows relatively simple underlying rules, for example, planetary motion became much easier to understand once Johannes Kepler described elliptical orbits (versus the previous needlessly-complicated system of epicycles) and Isaac Newton explained them with the single principle of Universal Gravitation. But the razor works less reliably in human systems, where incentives, secrecy, and deception can make the materialist explanation more complicated than it first appears; history includes genuine conspiracies such as the Watergate Scandal, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, and the countless CIA coups, all of which involved coordinated wrongdoing that might have sounded farfetched before evidence emerged. Conspiracies can also be difficult to prove even when real because participants keep secrets, information is compartmentalized or classified, and whistleblowers face risks, which means evidence often appears slowly or incompletely. The challenge, then, is finding a balance: if you apply Occam’s Razor too aggressively you may dismiss real hidden coordination, but if you assume elaborate plots everywhere you end up believing explanations that pile on unsupported assumptions. Good reasoning usually means starting with simple explanations while staying open to more complex ones when incentives, evidence, and context genuinely point in that direction.
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>>2725744
Actually I think you have it backwards

The simplest theory of everything bad in society is "bad people made it happen on purpose". You just need to know that people have power and agency. It's much more complex to explain the relationship between commodities, gold, labor, capital, the proletariat, the bourgeoisie, markets, the state, and so on and how this is a system which produces certain results regardless of any subjective variance and agency in the individual participants.

So while I also agree with validating conspiracies as real and not reducing everything to market incentives and selection forces, if you veer too far towards individual agency you get an idealist and liberal understanding of how society works. It leads to "just get rid of the bad apples" and "capitalism is bad because greed", and these necessitate liberal solutions that ultimately maintain capitalism. This is why conspiracy theories are so much more popular among the masses. The answers are mentally easy and don't challenge the system, only scandalize it.

>>2728472
If we kill all the bad people, they no longer exist, they can no longer do bad things. It's that shrimple.

>>2728474
And, frankly, bad people are like animals. They only understand the kind of language, of I am going to physically inflict pain on you in certain amounts for a certain time. This is the only thing that deters them.

>What uyghas wan' do when you see me off camera

>uygha strip who? I'll beat you till you lavender

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>>2728475
Let's see Musk get beat once til he's Lavender and what he ever has to say again after that. Let's see his facial geometry get rearranged.

Occam's Razor, is I am going to flay all your skin from your flesh with a razor. Funkytown time nah mean?



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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/03/08/crude-oil-prices-today-iran-war.html

I hope the USA faces $10/litre at the pumps and the GOP are wiped out electorally.

Depends on which part of the U.S., I'm moving to Houston to work as a rent boy for oil millionaires $$$

I hope the No Kings marches inspire more "Never Trump" Republicans to defect and impeach the orangutan

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It's a shame they locked Houdini up in Florida because he could get in on this



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Fourier thread. Do you think God made us all equal in his image and that no man should be born into, and live in, poverty? How can we make a scientific study of Christian Socialism; is it merely utopian?

>>2727928
Jesus preached socialism and it was first practiced as described in the book of Acts where "everyone had everything in common". Deacons (servants) were responsible for the distribution of goods. This was the inspiration for what came later. Now the nascent church was scattered when persecution by the Jews intensified after Steven and James were martyred but the missions still sent supplies to whoever was in need. This broke down gradually over time because of the influence of politics on the religion. The co-opting of religion to serve politics has given us the madness were experiencing today. The separation of church and state is necessary to protect the integrity of both, so Christian socialism is just as bad an idea as Christian nationalism. The ASP exists in a few states to try to influence elections by promoting the socialism found in church teaching but the aim isn't a utopian end but because they believe that "God made us all equal in his image and that no man should be born into, and live in, poverty".

Christian Socialism was debunked by Marx and Engels 178 years ago. Nothing more needs to be said.

>>2728011
Marx and Engels are dead, ELN is alive



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In celebration of working woman's day, I have to once again point out it is pretty funny that all the women radlibs hold up as their ideological forerunner explicitly denounced feminism (correctly) as bourgeois, but these people, many of them men funnily enough, just assume "they are women so they must be feminists, duh!"

Revolutionary women like Zetkin and Kollontai (are these two even in le funny random username rotation…?) correctly stated proletarians who are women will be liberated along with all other proletarians in a genuine revolution, and ones who aren't proletarian are simply not the concern of communists, all while completely rejecting the feminist label.

>text wall
I enjoyed reading the full version of this.

>The Social Basis of the Woman Question - Kollontai 1909

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1909/social-basis.htm



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<The Democratic Socialists of America
Why do they exist? What do they do? Who are their allies, who are their enemies? What is this caucus thing? Is BlackRedGuard truly the secret leader of it all? What are their objectives, their tendencies, their strategy, their tactics?
DSA anons, enlighten me.
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>>2726703
In left-wing online spaces they helped shape the culture, but none of that translated into real political change. In the end they were mostly just really annoying and all of them eventually became either normie liberals

>>2726703
>They are the single most prominent leftist organization in the United States
sad

>>2726703
Not a defense at all. Speaks to the degree of the problem since they suck and are on a road to nowhere.

>>2726703
Devastating statement, actually makes me suicidal

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>>2727111
don't be too discouraged by numbers. much of the DSA's membership are inactive paper members, and an actually revolutionary party in the US only needs like 10-20k people to truly intervene in the labor movement and lead



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A thread for people who aren’t riddled with mental illnesses that compromise their ability to comprehend political theory and thought, but who are also not so heartless as to deny the plight of the global poor at the hands of the ruling classes

>Yes Mao and Stalin were incompetent dictators who got millions killed because of bad policy and collaborated with fascists or liberals to do the bidding of the national bourgeoisie, this is corroborated by overhwhelming physical evidence

>No the US was/is not any better in its victimization of the global poor and mass death, but it was not any worse either

QOTT: How do we get left populist candidates in office that can work towards the goal of a total embargo of Israel, achieving universal healthcare, and putting orange pedo in jail?

<It’s not possible without people’s war!

>Not happening. Keep fantasizing about killing people though, evil retard
<Go back to /libpol/!
>I don’t like landlords or gaza genocide deniers
<Have sex with me!
>Okay. How big is your penis?
<Um. Like 5.5 inches
>Huh. Idk I kind of prefer bigger cocks
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>>2726781
>An analysis of 186 non-industrial societies found a positive relationship between the presence of traditional fermented beverages (such as mead, wine and beer) and higher levels of political complexity.
weed smokers need to stop trying. we have the roman republic. we have mesopotamia. we have the yoruba proto-republics. we have the greek polis.

>>2726782
The only way is sobriety, everything else distorts and muddles the mind.

>>2726747
>QOTT: How do we get left populist candidates in office that can work towards the goal of a total embargo of Israel, achieving universal healthcare, and putting orange pedo in jail?
Going to all the effort of implanting a left-centrist would be better off spent building that organizational capacity outside of bourgeois state systems, no? Now, I'm not against participation in them, but isn't that being your end goal rather self-defeating?

The ship's sinking and the crew on the bridge have jammed the steering. Why not work to stop the engines as you plead with them to take the bar off the wheel? Why not get the most vulnerable to the life rafts while the strongest arm themselves incase the bridge needs to be stormed? To deny revolutionary work is to kneecap yourself. The things you do to get a guy elected can also serve as a basis for revolutionary action if you play your cards right.

>>2726755
>I recognize that class struggle is reality, but you will never see a revolution in your lifetime because the organizational capacity of the working class in terms of actually halting production is near zero.
Thus, you help build it. If you can build it enough to get a guy in office, why stop there? The reformist does not encompass revolution but a revolutionary encompasses reform. Take the idea of "class struggle" to it's logical conclusion, either in the revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.


Having said that, I highly suspect that this is bait.

infantiles

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>>2726779
alcohol resulted in class society and exploitation. ancient porkies got people to become slaves and serfs by making them alcoholic first



 

Hey /pol/. It’s come to my attention that a known Zionist music producer is coming to my town of Montreal this summer. The Alchemist is a known Zio who has produced songs for “Israeli” artists and even made an instrumental album a few years ago entitled “Israeli Salad” ;after a stolen traditional Palestinian dish). Him being invited as part of Montreal’s Jazzfest is a BLATANT violation of BDS. It is an insult to all the Palestinian musicians who lost everything in the genocide. I need help organizing something against this guy when he comes. I’m thinking a protest outside the venue but I don’t know how many people will show up. Any suggestions?

Note: Montreal has sone of the most trigger-happy cops in North America so I would prefer something that won’t get us into legal trouble.
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Hold him hostage and demand the release of all the Palestinian political prisoners for his return.

>>2725945
So this is a song he produced for some Israeli rappers.

You think a significant chunk of society anywhere except like 20 countries cares so much about boycotting Shitsrael? Lol.

>>2726666
they care more about respecting pronouns and facile "land acknowledgements" than an actual ongoing genocide, we know

Moved to >>>/music/16777.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Sleepwalking Nation Edition


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🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
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📺 Glowie News 📺
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Mods have enabled this cringe name thing again

>>2726633
it happens on international womens day, a soviet holiday, you chvd


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>>2726635
and it's a cringe way to commemorate the foids



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Spanish nationalists march with English-language banner reading WHITE LIVES MATTER and holding signs of Iryna Zarutska (that Ukrainian refugee killed in the US) saying she was killed for being white as they march though Madrid
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>>2724964
You are jewish

>Teehee, why are you using English when nobody in your country speaks it, you must be a glowie
Now that's just a straight up brain-dead argument. How many people in your country speak Spanish? More likely than not <1-2% of population, so throw out all the signs, shirts and banners about Cuba and LatAm and stop chanting "Viva La Revolución, Viva Che!"? How many Arabic speakers are there? None, so stop caring about Palestine and wrapping yourself in a keffiye. If you're not in an Anglophone country, stop using English at all. Stop caring about events from other countries all together actually.

>>2726579
It's pretty obvious that you need your shit to be in english if you want international recognition and post it to social media, but ONLY english on the banner ? Obviously at best imported USAno autism that try to appeal to daddy

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>>2726579
>How many people in your country speak Spanish?
>How many Arabic speakers are there?
who's gonna tell him

>>2726686
>>2726691
Why do you get cool female names and I don't?



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Dialectical materialism is bullshit because the world itself is not dialectical. The world is made of forces/particles that interact with each other. They bump in on each other imposing their wills, evolving and there is enough of them that sometimes they appear to be moving dialectically. Instead we have a world made up of difference, these differences do negate each other when they interact but instead affirm their differences.
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Now inertial mass is the measure of the resistance of a body to a force acting on it. If I were to push a cart, the speed with which it will move and the increase of speed (acceleration) would depend on how massive it is. The more massive the cart, the less will be the acceleration when I push it. This mass, which measures the inertness or laziness of an object, is called its inertial mass.

The effects of inertial mass can be seen in several common place phenomena. If the train in which we are travelling suddenly stops, we are thrown forward. This is an example of an inertial force acting on us. While travelling in a bus, when the bus makes a sharp turn, we are thrown sideways. This is also an example of an inertial force acting on us. These inertial forces are seen to arise from the acceleration of our frame of reference. In science, some examples of inertial forces are centrifugal forces and Coriolis forces.

Newton’s theory of gravity says that the gravitational attraction depends on the masses of the objects. Here we are speaking about the attractive power of the masses. This gravitational attractive power of the object is called its gravitational mass.

The weight of a body is the result of the attraction of the earth on it. It expresses the gravitational mass of the body. We can measure gravitational mass by the weight of an object.

In 1890 the scientist R.V.Eotvos performed an ingenious experiment designed to test the ratio of inertial mass to weight. On the basis of this experiment it was concluded that the two masses, inertial mass and gravitational mass, are equal to each other within one part to 108 (that is, one part in one hundred million). Further experiments have improved on this result. So the equality of inertial mass and gravitational mass had been well established.

Einstein realized that the principle of equality of inertial mass and gravitational mass was to be placed at the centre of any theory of gravitation. He says in his autobiographical book The World as I see it: “This law, which may also be formulated as the law of equality of inertial and gravitational mass, was now brought home to me in all its significance. I was in the highest degree amazed at its persistence and guessed that in it must lie the key to the deeper understanding of inertia and gravitation.”

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We have seen that the field equations of general relativity do not rule out such diseases as causal pathology. You can have in the GR closed time-like curves. In order to avoid such problems, additional postulates are required. The root of this problem is the treating of space-time like a sheet of paper, or as a manifold. The manifold structure which treats space and time as equal, abstractly, gives rise to problems. It can be proved that the manifold topology is inadequate for avoiding such causal pathologies. Roger Penrose has shown that the Alexandrov topology does not pose such problems.

He has shown mathematically that the space-time described by the Alexandrov topology is free from causal pathologies. He shows that if the manifold topology does not suffer from causal pathologies, then the structure it defines coincides with Alexandrov topology. Conversely, if the manifold topology agrees with the Alexandrov topology then it is strongly causal (that is, there are no causal pathologies).(For details see DRQ)

To sum up this discussion, we can say that from Einstein’s work Minkowski constructed space-time through the process of abstraction, where the differences between space and time were ignored. We had an inverted structure where you could travel into the past, kill your own grandfather and ensure that you were not born, so that the original journey does not begin! Alexandrov, by recognizing the diverse qualities of space and time in concrete reality, reconstructed space- time on a material basis.

With Minskowski space-time was standing on its head. Alexandrov did to Minkowski the service Marx rendered to Hegel when he set his dialectics back on its feet.

According to the general theory of relativity, the final stages of certain types of stars can only be structures called black holes, with some amazing properties, that go against the principles of dialectical materialism. Some such properties are: of matter disappearing into a point, structures having no internal contradictory motion but only inward motion, or of matter entering a so called ‘event horizon’ from which no information is in principle possible to obtain.

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This situation calls for the defence of dialectical materialism. In this case, we examine the postulates on the basis of which mathematics inexorably draws the conclusions about space-time around such an object. One postulate, of course, is that the general theory of relativity is absolutely valid even in the situations where matter is assumed to have densities which have never been dealt with observationally, and no occasion has been present where the principle of equality of interial mass and gravitational mass has been tested in such circumstances. Another postulate is the so called energy condition, which is at the basis of all the theorems on black holes. We shall not go into details (Please see DRQ). But let us take the first assumption about the absolute validity of the GR.

The Marxist scientist V.A.Fock had put Einstein’s general relativity to a detailed criticism. In 1959 he wrote a foundational book, The theory of space,time and gravitation. He showed how Einstein was mistaken in assuming the identity of the geometry of space-time with the physical gravitational field. By doing so he had reduced gravitation to a matter of the coordinate system, and technically the result was that in his gravitation theory there was no law of conservation, as in the case of electric and magnetic fields. Thus a gravitational field could be just switched off by taking up new system of coordinates. The identification of inertial fields with gravitational fields was also shown to be faulty.

From the point of view of mathematics, Fock showed that the number of equations in Einstein’s field equations (which is ten) was not enough to actually determine the structure of the geometry and the coordinate system. He also debunked Einstein’s belief that he had proved the equivalence of all frames of reference, including accelerated frames, which had made Einstein call his theory the general theory of relativity.

Drawing upon Newton’s theory of gravitation, where the gravitational field fades away with distance from the attracting body, Fock considered the case of island universes, with the condition that at infinity, the geometry should be flat. Hence there was a natural coordinate system, the harmonic coordinates, which held a cardinal place in the theory. With the four conditions for the harmonic coordinates, now the theory was able to determine the structure of space time associated with the gravitational field. He gave a new structure Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

she force on my momentum til i inert

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conversations usually involve a back and forth with shorter messages



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