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1 What "Democracy" means to countries around the world (most think it means improving living standards)
2 Whether people think their country is headed in the right direction (Only China and a few others think so)
3 Which countries think democracy is important (most do)
4 Should the US have military bases in your country (Only Poland, Israel, South Korea, and Puerto Rico think so, not even Ukraine)
5 Who is the biggest threat (65 out of 84 surveyed countries say the USA)

Thoughts? Feelings? Ruthless Criticisms? Real Movements?
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>>2830071
Macron est tellement a chier qu'on est le pays le pessimiste au monde.

>>2830067
chabad read that okhrana hoax and thought "damn is this an instruction manual"

>>2830067
What exactly is wrong with Chabad? Their theology is VERY Hegelian.

>>2829689
That's literally what the founding fathers intended democracy to be, protection of their freedom against the heckin tyranterinos and the british. No one without land was intended to vote. The poors are traditionally not human in western democracy.

>>2830279
In American democracy, sure, but France had Universal male suffrage during its first legislative elections (1792) even if turnout was low (11%)
Universal suffrage would come back in 1848 for both the legislatives and presidential elections. And end up with Napoleon III in charge, who'd keep the universal suffrage for his elections.
Only during Vichy France has universal suffrage been contested, with plans for a family based suffrage.



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No fucking way… You're really telling me this just now?

As soon as I pick up creative writing as a pursuit, and the moment I produce something which I feel has a sense of finality, something I can truly be proud of, I come to leftypol dot org and find that there is
NO FUCKING LITERATURE BOARD

/edu/? great, I love when young and intellectually curious youths are taught a warped version of M+E. Lenin, Gramsci, et al's theory. we should vulgarize theory as much as possible to appeal to the chud.

or should we obfuscate it to the point at which it becomes incomprehensible and impenetrable to anyone who has neglected reading theory in favor of doing basic shit like maintaining a healthy and fulfilling social life, or providing for themselves, or sitting idle and thinking thoughts that are to the truest degree possible, authentically theirs.

You are a den of philistines, and you need to have a struggle session and be repeatedly beat over the heads with all the works throughout history that are beautiful or poignant or prescient.

You also need to be forced to watch Salo over and over again, Clockwork Orange style until you cry genuine tears for the savage murder of Pier Paolo Pasolini.

You will bear witness to productions of Brecht.
You will learn to appreciate life in all its finery
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Subject: Irrecoverable L

There's a thread for it in hobby, but I mainly just talk about what I'm reading on siberia.

>>2830091
thank you. you are one of the real ones. I just wish nu had panned out differently

>>2830089
>As soon as I pick up creative writing as a pursuit
good luck anon. people are paranoid these days. they'll accuse you of GPT slop no matter how unique your voice is. and the industry is more oversaturated than ever, so only do it for fun.



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Compagne e compagni shitaliani unitevi. Let's talk about our unions! I really can't fanthom how we all saw the potential in just converging on something like last october's general strike yet unions just said fuck it and still call strikes days apart and refuse to cooperate. As much as i'm aligned with the values of the PaP / USB / Cobas axis i find their open opposition to the CGIL actively harmful to the struggle, and their pretensions to actually compete with it delusional. Since there's no mass party anymore, we can't expect a union representing 5 mln workers (by far the biggest) choose to just take the side of a political party when the radical left can't even manage 4% in regional elections in a coalition. The cgil won't fall because a 200k member union is calling strikes with 3 people days before (if you've been to cgil strikes and usb / cobas strikes you know what i'm talking about, there's no question about which has the most participants). So now what should have been the vanguard of a new politicized unionism that could have guided our only relevant union into being a machine of political change like it was in the golden era of the PCI, has actively made it their enemy. And no, it's not a problem of it being "moderate", the internal currentism and history prove that it can be something else if changed from the inside.

Is it true Italian boys want to fuck their moms? That's kinda weird bros…

>>2829755
>Italian left 'peak' isn't the 1919 revolution but bunch of sporadic big tent libshit protests
lol

>>2829422
what about your five star movement? or the fact that you guys have regular workers strike, blockades, and protests in solidarity with Palestine? I mean, technically, yeah I know most of the country is going to be conservative and stuff, but as an American, the labor movement you have is a thousand times better than what we have here. the thing you're lacking, however, is large movements of liberal/progressive ideas, and that's something we have here. but cant you guys go off of that labor movement? build something like the M5S, only bigger, more radical? of course large amounts of the country would be so staunchly opposed because of the sheer conservatism and nationalism, but having a large amount of people who would agree is also a good thing, no?
forgive me if I lack any basic knowledge on the topic or misunderstood something, I'm a stupid burger

>>2829795
the m5s is a centrist cattle party, though i'll have to admit they had some very progressive views about welfare and as much as it was meme'd here, i appreciated the reddito di cittadinanza (which was basically neetbux for non workers looking for a job). With all its flaws (not nearly enough money to survive on is basic but the biggest) it was the closest we ever got to ubi in italy, something that not even the socdem left even attempted. Now the neofascists in power killed it though. We do have real radical parties (rifondazione and PaP being the biggest, but many, many more smaller ones) but they're scattered and always infighting. Rifondazione recently entered the 'campo largo', basically a coalition with anyone but the right (even the m5s is in it) for the next elections. A guy i know which is in our city's governance (the only seat rifondazione managed to take here) is feeling betrayed by the party. I remember the vote in the party to enter the campo largo was very close, with like 2-3 votes of difference. I can honestly see how we're worried for the 2027 elections and try to win against the new right at all costs yet i'm not really all in on that reason. I think PaP (potere al popolo) is showing some great promise, but they think they can actively oppose the cgil (which is the biggest union here, THE way workers are organized) and make a difference with a union that has like 1/100 of its members (usb). As much as i dislike the recent administration of the cgil, spitting on it equals on spitting on workers. And it's too big of a beast to defeat, a party that knows what they're doing should try to hegemonize it somewhat or at least not make them their enemy. We've seen the cgil do some pretty 'radical' shit recently, for example workers in Genoa just fucking rammed the police with machinery when they were getting fired last year. The problem with the cgil is that they're waiting a mass party that's sadly not here now.



 

Sammy Weaver is a hero and Marshal Degan is rotting in Hell. I would love to find his tombstone and fuck a prostitute over it, have her piss on it, then I'll ejaculate on it and rub my dick all over William Degan's funeral memorial. Fuck that dead cocksucker.

>WASHINGTON — Kevin Harris, who was severely wounded three years ago in a bloody siege at Ruby Ridge, Ida., disputed on Tuesday crucial elements of the government’s account of the incident, including who fired the first shot.


>Harris strongly denied to the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism that he and his friend Randy Weaver–whose cabin had been staked out by federal agents–had sought to ambush marshals on Aug. 21, 1992. The agents were trying to arrest Weaver for failing to appear in court on weapon charges.


>His voice cracking as he struggled to suppress sobs, Harris graphically described the shooting of Weaver’s 14-year-old son, Sammy, and the killing of Weaver’s wife, Vicki, by an FBI sniper on the following day, as she stood hidden by the cabin door.


>“I would not have been anywhere near those woods if I had known that all those men with assault rifles and a silenced submachine gun . . . were out there,” Harris said. “We were just walking along the trail . . . , making a perfect target of ourselves.”


>Weaver thought that there might be a deer or other game nearby.


>As he and Sammy reached the Y, Harris said, Striker neared a man wearing camouflage clothing and the dog seemed to lunge for the man’s hands. The dog then moved away from the man, circling, and “suddenly the dog was shot,” Harris said. Harris did not say where Randy Weaver was at this point.


>Sammy then began to raise his weapon and said, “You shot my dog, you son of a bitch,” Harris testified. Harris said that he headed for cover. He said that was the last time he saw Sammy alive. “I saw smoke puffs and brass shell casings flying in the air down in the woods below the trail. I assumed Sam was shooting and that someone was shooting back at him, but I didn’t actually see Sam shoot.”

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Union at Colombia's Ecopetrol launches 24-hour strike over labor talks
USO represents workers at Ecopetrol, Colombia's biggest company and ​one of Latin America's largest energy producers. Ravelo said the ⁠union includes 25,000 workers employed directly by Ecopetrol and its contractors. He said ​there had been no progress on any of the union's demands after ​25 days of talks, with 14 days left before the current stage of direct negotiations expires.
https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/union-colombias-ecopetrol-launches-24-hour-strike-2026-06-02/

Argentina Records 105 Femicides in First Five Months
The figures were released ahead of the 11th anniversary of the first Ni Una Menos mass demonstration, a landmark movement against violence toward women. A special report by the Observatory “Women, Dissidences, Rights” found that 3,096 femicides have been committed in Argentina since June 3, 2015. The report comes amid ongoing disputes over official data. According to the Lucía Pérez Observatory, 271 femicides and transfemicides were recorded in 2025, compared with the 200 direct femicide victims reported this week by Argentina’s judiciary.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/argentina-105-femicides-first-fivemonths/

Argentina added to list of world’s worst countries for workers’ rights
Repression of workers' rights has deepened around the globe, even in "stable" countries, says world's largest trade union organisation; Argentina added to ITUC’s list of 10 worst countries for workers' rights, alongside nations like Belarus, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey.
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/economy/argentina-added-to-list-of-worlds-worst-countries-for-workers-rights.phtml
https://archive.ph/b9Ud1

More than 4.5 million Canadians living in poverty
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Trump taps ally Bill Pulte to serve as top intelligence chief
Pulte – who has no known experience in national security – has used his role at the powerful housing agency, which oversees regulations of the federal housing lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to publicly level a string of extraordinary allegations at Trump’s political opponents and enemies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/02/trump-bill-pulte-director-national-intelligence

Amazon's Ring sued over facial recognition feature, latest privacy concern for doorbell maker
Familiar Faces, which is optional, uses artificial intelligence to identify ​and remember people so that when they return to a home or a ⁠business, notifications can include specific names. Those affected “did not consent to have their privacy rights ​violated at the entrance way,” according to the suit. “Millions of other Americans passed by a Ring ​security camera and unknowingly had their facial recognition information collected.”
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/amazons-ring-sued-over-facial-recognition-feature-latest-privacy-concern-2026-06-02/

Super PAC Network Backing Connie Chan Received Hundreds of Thousands from AIPAC
San Francisco Supervisor Connie Chan has pledged not to accept support from “AIPAC or its lobbyists and representatives” in her bid for California’s 11th congressional district, but federal campaign records show that the pro-Israel organization is working behind the scenes to funnel money to support her candidacy.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/aipac-connie-chan-san-francisco-primary

Landlord endangers tenants in condemned 292-unit apartment complex in Kalamazoo, Michigan
The inspections that triggered the condemnation were prompted by tenant complaints to Kalamazoo Township on April 28, according to records obtained by Fox17. According to News WWMT, several tenants had complained to management for moPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Claim of Responsibility for Arson Attack on “Israeli” Business in Exarchia
Palestine still continues to struggle. Against such an attack, which aims to annihilate every human presence, to eliminate every trace of the cultural element of the Palestinian people. A continuous crime against humanity, by the Zionists who expand their occupation of the territory of Palestine every day. In a parallel universe, the Greek state pretends not to hear, not to see, not to know anything and makes sure to support the crimes of the Zionists in every way for the sake of the “strategy of the alliance”. It gives free rein to kidnap, illegally detain, humiliate and torture even European activists, while Greek shipowners unmolested conclude agreements with the Zionists. The big businessmen of tourism rub their hands in front of the bloody money left by the thousands of IDF soldiers who come to the country for vacation. The same goes for the big real estate owners and brokers who enrich themselves with the “Israeli” capital invested in the country.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/33305/

Conspiracy Theories, Recriminations and Insults Fly As the Far Right Melts Down Over Makerfield
In the far right’s warped and exaggerated fantasy world, one of two brave men stand between Britain and Andy Burnham’s Muslamic socialist hordes sweeping the country on a fleet of publicly owned buses. It’s time to choose your fighter. In one corner, we have Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader who casually accepted a £5m gift from a Thailand based crypto-billionaire because he thought he was a special boy. In the other is Rupert Lowe, leader of even-further-right Restore Britain, who recently told Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg on GB News he would be “a true Tory if I were anything”. These are the last great hopes of the British working class, if you believe people with names like MarmiteReverieBrit with 500,000 followers on X. Restore Britain was the result of a messy split between Lowe and Farage that made the shenanigans in Your Party look like gentle banter. Lowe’s party has since attracted the support of the world’s richest man Elon Musk and some of Britain’s most openly racist influencers and activists, and has cornered the market for saying uncompromisingly rightwing things that bait social media algorithms. The deep personal animus betwPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

ITALIANS DO IT BETTER

Manica di degenerati. Non mi aspettavo proprio che dopo un mese d'assenza, il filo cadesse dalla tavola. Vabè, leftypol ormai è l'ombra di quello che era soltanto qualche anno fa, ma c'è un limite a tutto.
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Italianos, answer: >>2811046

Is true that Italian boys want to fuck their moms? That's kinda weird bros

>>2793017
Like he said, working man has […] country

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Non si smette mai d'imparare

>>2829865
Na tristezza



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3 questions divide the Marxists from the Liberals
>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
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>Neither person belong to the proletariat. The gourmet chef is an artisan and the shop owner is petty bourgeois.
>No, Native Americans do not have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup. Existing indigenous peoples can be afforded certain rights based on the continuity of their culture, but genetics is irrelevant to this.
>Capitalist society is largely an improvement over pre-capitalist society in material terms, but more importantly it is a progressive *development* of society in the Hegelian sense.

Don’t care, die, and fuck ofd

>>2827977
>Unless you think Marx was not a Marxist.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm

>The materialist conception of history has a lot of them nowadays, to whom it serves as an excuse for not studying history. Just as Marx used to say, commenting on the French "Marxists" of the late [18]70s: "All I know is that I am not a Marxist."

>>2829737
I love this quote because it's Marx saying "those uyghas so retarded I renounce myself to not be associated with them"

>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
Both if they are class consciouss
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
No
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
True



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Vietnam has a smaller public sector than the United States and they are Pro-America, Pro-Israel, and Anti-China in their foreign policy. I have no idea how after America nearly committed genocide in your country you can put them over fellow socialist states, they will condemn America when it does something shitty but never act on it, they are practically just Spain, Norway, or Ireland when it comes to foreign policy. I know that China is also shitty when it comes to foreign policy and stuff too but they are at least technically Anti-America.
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It’s gonna be really funny when the communist revolution overthrows the communist party because of gas shortages

>>2829088
I think selling drugs is a bit different than robbing banks anon.

>>2829056
>Idk man, maybe because the Soviet Union failed to sufficiently support them when a genocidal war was being waged against them?
The USSR provided them with tons of support and the two countries remained close allies afterwards wtf are you on about?

>>2796607
>What is socialist sovereignty supposed to look like in this region?
Common waters administrated by a soviet of peoples coming from the region.

>>2829723
everybody is already claiming it's their regions,SSRs would still fight over it



 

The cults of personality of 20th century communism were a mistake, though perhaps unavoidable. The emergence of pronounced cults of personality in several 20th-century socialist states can be understood as a historical misstep rather than an inherent feature of Marxist theory. Stalin himself denounced this in his interview with Feuchtwanger, and some personal letters. The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, as developed within Marxism, refers to the collective rule of the working class organized through its institutions. In practice, however, this principle was often conflated with the authority of individual leaders such as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Kim Il Sung. This conflation obscured the distinction between class power exercised through mass participation and the symbolic centrality of particular historical figures.

This development did not arise in a vacuum. Many of the societies in which socialist revolutions succeeded were shaped by predominantly peasant populations, relatively low levels of literacy, and recent histories of feudal or semi-feudal rule. In such contexts, political authority had long been associated with monarchs, emperors, or strongman figures. It is therefore unsurprising that revolutionary movements, even when grounded in collective and egalitarian ideals, were interpreted through familiar cultural patterns that emphasized personal leadership. The elevation of revolutionary figures into near-mythic symbols can be seen as a byproduct of these conditions rather than a deliberate theoretical aim.

Recognizing this helps clarify that the issue was not simply the presence of influential leaders, but the tendency to substitute their personal authority for the organized, conscious activity of the working masses. A more consistent application of proletarian rule would emphasize institutions, education, and participation over symbolic identification with individuals. Understanding the historical roots of these personality cults allows for a more grounded assessment of past socialist experiences without reducing them to caricature or dismissing their broader social and economic transformations.
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>>2798819
The party and the people wanted to keep his body, what I think trumps his personal desires on the matter. Happy May Day.

>>2798819
there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him

>>2798799
OP's post might lowkirkenuinely be LLM generated but if you disagree with it your still a crypto-sorelian tbh

They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice

>>2799025
>LLM generated
source was provided for the Feuchtwanger interview
>lowkirkenuinely
is this some kind of word filter
>>2798832
>there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him
lol
>>2799181
>They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice
stalin says it's both if you read the feuchtwanger interview



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Not gonna bother defining "leftist" cause it's a stupid conversation. Just talking about stuff where you'll hear someone who agrees with you politically say something and instantly think "this guy is not the same as me".

Here's my examples
>Being religious
>Is against violent opposition to fascists
>Anti-gun
>"You know tucker carlson and fuentes have some good points"
>Thinks opposing israel is more important than opposing capitalism
>Likes candace owens or any rightoid commentator
>Watches hasan or any twitch streamer
>Gets oddly defensive if you say "we should kill fascists" or anything like that
>Weirdly defensive of trump or really any world leader
>Likes modern day russia
>Supports ukraine
>Unironically complains about wokeness
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>>2829416
Leninists, I respect them and give conditional support for their advocacy of national liberation and anti imperialism but it's just state capitalism with the false promise that they're somehow building socialism while the actual proletariat has little to no agency.

There are no fake leftists, but there are fake communists.

People who shill for Demonrats (the lengths so many amerikkkana on this board are going to in order to defend Graham "I love killing brown people and getting Nazi tats" Platner is insane).

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>Is a pedophile
I promise you Beria was a much better and relevant leftist than you or anyone after 1968 bro.(USER ALREADY BANNED)

>>2829416
Broadly: has a personality type at odds with that of the broad swathe of leftists and liberals.
Any specific policy position runs into the problem that most people don't think that hard about policy and may have different psychological motivations for arriving at their stupid opinions. A socdem who is kind of passively anti-transgender because they think it loses elections is typologically a socdem with a stupid opinion, which is broadly of the leftish-type, while a much better read socialist may still be a fake leftist if they're clearly obsessed with hating transhumanists to the detriment of their socialism. (e.g. typologically they are anti-transgender with incidental socialist views)
If this is too contentious, consider guns: a socdem who is anti-gun because guns hurt people is clearly left-liberal, a socialist who is pro-gun because they see it as necessary to bring about radical social change is clearly leftist too, while a "socialist" who is pro-gun because they have intense fantasies of shooting everyone who ever wronged them is a nutter who is very likely to be won over by the right's greater indulgence of that fantasy.

In big-5 terms, you are very likely to be a "fake leftist" if you are all of these:
>low openness
>low agreeableness
>low neuroticism
with openness being the single most important trait (it's hard to want to upend the status quo if you hate new things), followed by agreeableness (leftism is, after all, wanting nice things…), then neuroticism. (this one's more statistical: a lot of leftists and liberals want leftist and liberal policy because it provides security, and they identify their neurotic tendencies with an external cause in the economic/social system. this is also why liberals trend left in reality, because as their specific social issues no longer serve as an adequate explanation for why they feel the way they do, they intellectualise it further and go "It must be the entire social and economic system, Marx was right!")

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