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concentration of wealth is matching or exceeding what it was in the nadir of the gilded age

at least back then there was a labor movement that was actually gaining momentum. people were getting shot at for striking and they kept striking anyway. now we've got guys working three gig apps. We have an economy increasingly revolving around everyone being servants for rich people

the thing that gets me is how normalized it all is. rockefeller and carnegie were at least publicly shamed into building libraries and universities. our guys just build rockets and buy social media platforms and everyone claps. the PR is better now

Normal people cannot afford houses. The slavery of capitalism is probably at its worst in history today and its very bleak to imagine

This is a historically uncomfortable place to be in because of how inconsistent progress has been. Or multidirectional. The ugliest faces of imperialism have been cleaned away (outright racism, outright colonial brutality) but the logic remains
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>>2689027
I have, the difference is that I am.not delusional

>>2689194
The US is plotting how to invade whatever "AES" shithole you believe has any revolutionary potential as we speak.

>>2689208
China mogs the US militarywise thobeit.

>>2689212
The US is gonna fight China until the last South Korean, Filipino, Japanese, and Australian

Yeah its pretty obvious that things are not working and there shouldnt be billionares never mind trillionares. P sure theres s way to streamline government with computers somehow and make is effective as markets but alas everyone is too dumb so we stick with the ol market anarchy.

>>2688326
More and more contradictions



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What’s your experience with every socialist party in America ? Anyone else just GIs. Rhen all front for zionist democrats trying to funnel energy into the democrats and AIPAC candidates?
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>>2687243
You want sexual assault allegations?
You know how many I've seen in these orgs. It's a common way to coup local leadership.
Don't stick your dick in anyone you are organizing with.

>>2687490
Isn't that just Red Guard?
Black Red Guard is an internet personality that is a DSA Maoist

>>2687490
You mean Black Hammer

Pannekoek was right

>>2687250
>That's literally Bordiga's proposal lmao
any time someone ends their posts with "lmao" or "lmfao" they sound like they are seething idk why



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you can just cancel debt and then expropriate expropriators. money is not real. bourgeois economics is fake.
>Bolshevik revolutionaries overthrew the government on October 24, 1917, subsequently creating the Soviet government. The amounts of payments in default were enormous.[3] Russian debt to Great Britain alone at the end of World War I was estimated at between 538 and 568 million pounds. The amount of debt to France was estimated at 3,573 million francs and Russian foreign debt to Japan equaled 147 million dollars.[citation needed]
The debt repudiation
>On February 8, 1918, the Soviet government repudiated all bonds issued by the Tsarist government when the Soviet of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) cancelled all previously issued Russian government debt. It stopped payment on foreign debt at the beginning of 1918 and declared that all debts contracted by the Russian Empire were cancelled, as well as the debts contracted by the Russian Provisional Government, so that the war could be continued from February to November 1917.[citation needed]
>At the same time, the Soviets decided to expropriate all assets of foreign nations in Russia. The Soviets also nationalized banks, lands, and industries. By repudiating the external debt, the Soviet government implemented the Petrograd Soviet’s decision of 1905.[4]
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Broooooooo contracts aren't real broooo. You can just hit the blunt and change your mind at any moment knomsayn.

>>2661260
debts are real to the extent that the creditor can enforce payment

>>2661260
True. Very true. Ridiculously true.

>>2662061
>collaborated with the west
the only country I can think of that never did that is just North Korea tho

>>2661260
Trve. Most people are mindbroken by commodity production however. I don't remember how many times i tried to explain MMT to my parents.



 

ICE PROTESTS GENERAL
*ICE SHOOTS TWO PROTESTORS EDITION*

Everybody was wrong, ICE began shooting protestors only one day after the protests began. This Thursday afternoon, ICE agents shot two protestors and put them in critical condition in the city of Portland, Oregon.

>What will come of this?

<We don't know yet, but if you had to realistically guess, nothing probably.

Source: https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon
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>>2672042
The Berg

>>2665222
I love Oxygen, its my favourite thing.

>>2695630
Agreed, it is Amazing.

fizzleGODS won

>>2672024
Pretty much.
White people don't wanna get arrested.
Salsa Americans are either joining ICE or cheering them on or are too scared to leave their homes.



 

Dolphins are smarter than Stalinists, I will prove this by teaching dolphins Das Kapital, and then even a dolphin would know that if you have community production you have a capitalist mode of production, and it is not a transitionary stage to be reformed.
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>>2694020
How's the weather in Langley?

>>2693970
>So the term generalized commodity production doesn't exist for you? Let's take Capital so you can read Marx using the term:
<proceeds to give a quote where the term isn't used

you are right, there has been no AES in history, and tru communism is actually just a retarded idea talked about and masturbated to by trotskyists and anarchists who are opposed to any kind of pragmatic organization on a large enough scale to hold territory. i guess we should all just give up.

>>2693970
Lower commodity production

>>2693354
The aliens are space rapists anyway, you don't want to be friends with them.

We get invited into the galactic federation and I'm bopping the Grey Emperor in his boppo-the-clown face the moment the first teleporter gets installed on earth.



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The "people" does not exist. I've never seen the "people". I want to hear nothing of the "people" and its confused democratism, handing power to the bourgeois and petty bourgeois ideologues using the abstraction that is the "masses" as leverage to bargain with the State.
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¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

>>2642762
>dictatorship of the proletariat is to proletarians as israel is to zionists
has got to be one of the funniest left anti-communist talking points i've ever heard

>>2641644
Wrong. The people do exist as material force, not abstraction.
>>2681660

>>2641724
>>2641738
>>2641752

>”Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”

Joseph de Maistre, the Father of Continental Reaction.




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Singapore is an economical and social miracle undoubtedly, low rate of corruption, high rate of employment, FDI, Income and quality of life in general.
All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economy, Lee Yew is practically worshipped by Neoliberal for not only his policies but also for his Anti-communist operations.
Marxist (atleast I haven't found any) can point out to any contradiction plaguing Singaporean multicultural society.
Does this economical path is the way to prosperity, as an alternative to liberal western ideology.
What does /leftypol/ say on this? Can he be refuted by Dialectical Materialism?
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Is leftypol banned in Singapore? I haven't seen anyone from Singapore here

>>2652564
>Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.

this is pretty much the same path japan, korea, and taiwan went. Lol


>>2667529
I get the impression that Singaporeans are live in a weird bubble and are very mentally strait-jacketed for the most part. They can't see anything outside their carefully curated and hypercompetitive culture of their authoritarian city-state.

Singapore sucks



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Libertarians come in many flavors. Even Charlie Kirk called himself a libertarian once. Most of them are irredeemable, craving to oppress women & minorities - terrible people, who ALWAYS slide towards fascism.

However, there's a smaller subset of them who value freedom above everything else and despise surveillance. Are we their closest ally? Because libertarians on the right just cling to Palantir, Israel and horrific child abusers. How do we integrate them? What should be done to integrate them?
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>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

>>2677186
They are very fun to laugh at



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friendly reminder: if you are a NEET and a communist, you are suicidal. you are according to marxists a useless eater and they will 100% exterminate you after the revolution.

source: marxist theory and history
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We are here to help comrade .

i'm a minmaxer, even when i'm suicidal i'm as productive as i can be, i don't take a single step without a purpose.

>>2674296
>During War Communism there were labor camps for those not engaged in productive labor.
so ur tellin me if i dont have a job theyre gonna give me one where i hang out with the bros and build stuff to help society?

based

>>2674198
Damn that’s crazy

>>2674562
>>that's why we need a global mystical 1984 state
thats what we already have tho, you think you live in communism lol? are you american?



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Fine. I'll address it. What can we do to stop the incessant infighting between MLs and Ultras?
There is ultimately a middle ground to be found between their positions.
And it is at least in my opinion, it's the positions between both groups that makes the most sense and most closely resemble the intent behind Marx's original aims.
I am a bit of a theorylet so maybe I am missing some crucial ideological perspective that already achieved this, but if not I suppose I am in a sense proposing that stance here.

What do I even mean? Take for example;

Ultras:
>We must abolish the commodity form and money on day 1 of the revolution or you're a state capitalist moderniser falsifier and a betrayer of the revolution
MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future

Ultras:
>You must never ever support national liberation even when the movement is clearly progressive and socialist in character and it's successes will weaken imperialism and capitalism
MLs:
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2667438
>Muh semantics
Ok don't listen to me then. Keep being confused

Did 'strengthening proletarian ties' include, forcing united fronts on international parties, allying with nazis, allying with western colonialists, abolishing the Comintern to appease said colonialists, establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, etc?

>>2667440
>semantics
Nice cope pseudo. If only this distinction wasn't the whole reason Marx broke with the left and the Comintern was later established

>>2667443
You asked me a question, I answered it, then you just restate the question differently. The only pseud here is you, Marx didn't break with the left over the distinction between socialism as the mop and socialism as the state ideology of a post revolutionary dotp. He broke with various groups for various different reasons, disagreement over utopianism, reformism, idealism, etc. The comintern was established to further the goals of international revolution and again, break from reformists and their ilk. None of that has anything to do with your confusion regarding mop and post rev dotp both being called "socialism"

>>2667092
Not quite



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