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Dolphins are smarter than Stalinists, I will prove this by teaching dolphins Das Kapital, and then even a dolphin would know that if you have community production you have a capitalist mode of production, and it is not a transitionary stage to be reformed.
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>>2694020
How's the weather in Langley?

>>2693970
>So the term generalized commodity production doesn't exist for you? Let's take Capital so you can read Marx using the term:
<proceeds to give a quote where the term isn't used

you are right, there has been no AES in history, and tru communism is actually just a retarded idea talked about and masturbated to by trotskyists and anarchists who are opposed to any kind of pragmatic organization on a large enough scale to hold territory. i guess we should all just give up.

>>2693970
Lower commodity production

>>2693354
The aliens are space rapists anyway, you don't want to be friends with them.

We get invited into the galactic federation and I'm bopping the Grey Emperor in his boppo-the-clown face the moment the first teleporter gets installed on earth.



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The "people" does not exist. I've never seen the "people". I want to hear nothing of the "people" and its confused democratism, handing power to the bourgeois and petty bourgeois ideologues using the abstraction that is the "masses" as leverage to bargain with the State.
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¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

>>2642762
>dictatorship of the proletariat is to proletarians as israel is to zionists
has got to be one of the funniest left anti-communist talking points i've ever heard

>>2641644
Wrong. The people do exist as material force, not abstraction.
>>2681660

>>2641724
>>2641738
>>2641752

>”Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”

Joseph de Maistre, the Father of Continental Reaction.




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Singapore is an economical and social miracle undoubtedly, low rate of corruption, high rate of employment, FDI, Income and quality of life in general.
All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economy, Lee Yew is practically worshipped by Neoliberal for not only his policies but also for his Anti-communist operations.
Marxist (atleast I haven't found any) can point out to any contradiction plaguing Singaporean multicultural society.
Does this economical path is the way to prosperity, as an alternative to liberal western ideology.
What does /leftypol/ say on this? Can he be refuted by Dialectical Materialism?
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Is leftypol banned in Singapore? I haven't seen anyone from Singapore here

>>2652564
>Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.

this is pretty much the same path japan, korea, and taiwan went. Lol


>>2667529
I get the impression that Singaporeans are live in a weird bubble and are very mentally strait-jacketed for the most part. They can't see anything outside their carefully curated and hypercompetitive culture of their authoritarian city-state.

Singapore sucks



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Libertarians come in many flavors. Even Charlie Kirk called himself a libertarian once. Most of them are irredeemable, craving to oppress women & minorities - terrible people, who ALWAYS slide towards fascism.

However, there's a smaller subset of them who value freedom above everything else and despise surveillance. Are we their closest ally? Because libertarians on the right just cling to Palantir, Israel and horrific child abusers. How do we integrate them? What should be done to integrate them?
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>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

>>2677186
They are very fun to laugh at



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friendly reminder: if you are a NEET and a communist, you are suicidal. you are according to marxists a useless eater and they will 100% exterminate you after the revolution.

source: marxist theory and history
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We are here to help comrade .

i'm a minmaxer, even when i'm suicidal i'm as productive as i can be, i don't take a single step without a purpose.

>>2674296
>During War Communism there were labor camps for those not engaged in productive labor.
so ur tellin me if i dont have a job theyre gonna give me one where i hang out with the bros and build stuff to help society?

based

>>2674198
Damn that’s crazy

>>2674562
>>that's why we need a global mystical 1984 state
thats what we already have tho, you think you live in communism lol? are you american?



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Fine. I'll address it. What can we do to stop the incessant infighting between MLs and Ultras?
There is ultimately a middle ground to be found between their positions.
And it is at least in my opinion, it's the positions between both groups that makes the most sense and most closely resemble the intent behind Marx's original aims.
I am a bit of a theorylet so maybe I am missing some crucial ideological perspective that already achieved this, but if not I suppose I am in a sense proposing that stance here.

What do I even mean? Take for example;

Ultras:
>We must abolish the commodity form and money on day 1 of the revolution or you're a state capitalist moderniser falsifier and a betrayer of the revolution
MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future

Ultras:
>You must never ever support national liberation even when the movement is clearly progressive and socialist in character and it's successes will weaken imperialism and capitalism
MLs:
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>>2667438
>Muh semantics
Ok don't listen to me then. Keep being confused

Did 'strengthening proletarian ties' include, forcing united fronts on international parties, allying with nazis, allying with western colonialists, abolishing the Comintern to appease said colonialists, establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, etc?

>>2667440
>semantics
Nice cope pseudo. If only this distinction wasn't the whole reason Marx broke with the left and the Comintern was later established

>>2667443
You asked me a question, I answered it, then you just restate the question differently. The only pseud here is you, Marx didn't break with the left over the distinction between socialism as the mop and socialism as the state ideology of a post revolutionary dotp. He broke with various groups for various different reasons, disagreement over utopianism, reformism, idealism, etc. The comintern was established to further the goals of international revolution and again, break from reformists and their ilk. None of that has anything to do with your confusion regarding mop and post rev dotp both being called "socialism"

>>2667092
Not quite



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What’s your opinion on Mao agricultural socialism I think personally that’s better than industrial socialism because it helps out the peasants Not saying Vladimir Lennon what’s wrong but I just personally like Mao take on things

>>2672394
>lennon
Also, you need industrial socialism to advance. Being stuck in agro is not a good thing. The direction of history is that you build industrial society with agro surplus and peasants stop being peasants. Same goes for proles. The goal of communism is to get out of "peasantry" and "proles" and become free people.

There is no Mao's 'agricultural socialism'.
Mao HAD to rely heavily on peasants because they were the overwhelming majority of Chinese people at that time.
Mao was not a vulgar stagist à la Kautsky. He was not going to sit and wait a million years until there is a big enough proletariat.

Once the PRC was established, he did everything to industrialise and thus proletarianize. It did not all work out perfectly, but he never enshrined agriculture and peasantry to the detriment of industry and proletariat. Never.

>>2672435
Came here to say essentially this. China industrialized hugely under Mao. Anyone claiming that China was simply "agricultural" during his era is being willfully dishonest.

Liberal industrialization



 

>search for any wealthy businessperson you can possibly imagine
<they're in the files
>search for any high-status ivy-league academic you can imagine
<they're in the files
>search for any billionaire CEO or banker ever
<they're in the files
>search for acting heads of states and powerful senators/congresspeople who're still in office
<they're not in the files
>search for high-ranking military and intelligence officers in the CIA, Mossad, MI6, etc
<they're not in the files
>search for CEOs, CTOs, CFOs and other such personnel who work in military-industrial-complex firms like Rayteon and Boeing
<they're not in the files

I guess we know who the blacked out names are.

Does this mean the military industrial complex control the financial and intellectual elite along with the civilian authorities?

Yuge party



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What are your thoughts on collectivism in general? how essential or necessary do you think it is to general leftist thought and application? personally, when I look inward I yearn to be collectivist, but yet I find myself siding or having to consider myself an individualist most of the time. If I had to be a collectivist then I would have to be really extreme probably. Though that almost is what individualism is in a modern context I think.
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the whole confusion around individualism and collectivism comes from the intuitive difficulties which arise from the following state of affairs: an organism is a contained and self reproducing metabolism; a collection of chemical catalysts and templates that catalyze and constrain reactions which produce more of the same catalysts and templates and so on. you've got micro-organisms and you've got macro-organisms. macro-organisms are composed of micro-organisms that in some way mutually depend on each other to complete their respective metabolic logistical circuits. a society is a large macro-organism composed of large individual micro-organisms called people. people are macro-organisms composed of anatomic and cellular micro-organisms.

you can see the tension working when you think about thatcher's old quote "there is no such thing as society. there are individual men and women, and there are families". it's been talked to death as the watch words of individual-atomistic neoliberalism, but what's instructive is that she has to almost immediately concede a macro-organic reality in the form of the family. it is impossible for even the most radical liberal idealogue to honestly or coherently conceive of individual humans totally abstracted from sociality, because all people come into the world dependent upon other people, and the perpetuation of any population is the perpetual production of new dependents. the ideal of liberal individualism is an ideological product of universal commodity exchange. the notion that there are only individuals and families engaged in voluntary mutual exchange is only plausible to people in social conditions which obfuscate and commodify collective relations of interdependence.

consider the possibility that climate change decimates global agricultural output to the point that people are collectively only socially capable of producing enough food to feed 90% of the current world population. the obviously resulting famine deaths should illustrate the collective reality of society well enough. at human scales, individuals cannot persist without the collectives that generate and constrain them.

>>2643337
Collectivism and Individualism are not seperate things, yet alone mutually exclusive. If one shall die in the name of their 'nation' (or something else) , it is because the idea holds a domain over their mind, why is it individualism when one strives for endless wealth but it is 'collectivism' when someone dies in a crusade or something in the name of a god, accounting that the idea of that is somehow pleasant for them.

collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy, similar to the false dichotomy of authoritarian vs libertarian

Max Stirner's union of egoists is a pretty good arguement for collectivism.




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It’s time for you to face the facts: the track record of “multipolarists” predicting the imminent end of U.S./Western primacy has been consistently VERY poor.

Israel has tamed Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah and the Gazan people are on their last legs. If they survive at all it will be in tents rather than dense cities as before. At every turn, the conflicts are shifting from balance toward overmatch and escalation control in favor of the West/US/Israel.

Since roughly the mid-2010s, we’ve seen repeated claims that Iraq/Afghanistan, the 2008 crisis, Syria, Ukraine, or China’s rise would mark a decisive terminal decline, yet in practice the U.S. and its allies have retained escalation control, alliance cohesion, financial centrality, and unmatched intelligence-strike capabilities while rivals absorb disproportionate costs for challenging the system. The mistake isn’t noticing Western contradictions, it’s assuming those contradictions imply fragility rather than durability, and confusing loud resistance with actual system-overturning power. What recent years suggest is not that the empire is collapsing, but that it has shifted from overextension to selective enforcement, which is precisely the mode that makes repeated predictions of imminent demise look increasingly disconnected from observed outcomes.

“Multipolarists” and self-described anti-imperialists fundamentally misread Western restraint as terminal decline rather than adaptation. China remains a regional rather than global military challenger whose only plausible path to victory runs through the Taiwan Strait and whose demographic, alliance, and structural economic limits make it incapable of replacing the United States as a system-organizing power; the deeper implication is that many people invested emotionally and ideologically in the idea of inevitable Western decline are unprepared for a world in which the system they oppose proves both durable and adaptable, producing not liberation or collapse but a long, grinding equilibrium that frustrates anti-imperial hopes and exhausts challengers.

(The last, and I mean absolute LAST chance for the US world order to be overturned even PARTIALLY, is for China to defeat the AUKUS in the Taiwan strait prior to 2030-2035 when China’s demographic decline will begin to affect its military strength.)

Multipolarism: The Oppositional Defiant DisoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2628298
>in terms of material power it’s more comparable to Russia even despite decades of advantage in military technology
i think that gap has completely closed which is frankly beyond embarrassing considering the state of russia

>>2642868
It's when you got strippers on multiple poles

>>2640691
No, it’s definitely coughing blood.

>>2642868
this tbh, never seen a mulipolarity criticism thats wasnt pure strawman

>>2630669
>People here love to copy-paste Lenin quotes here, but they don't realize that the imperialism that Lenin (and Hobson before him) described was happening within a multipolar European world order.
case in point, that idiot think 20 century imperialist competition is somehow similar to multipolarity. its not



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