/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

You dont have to do anything. That would be voluntarist. There is already a party and it is the only historical subject, not some petty individuals.

>>2510263
I'm not!

>>2510160
So you think that the value of commodities doesn't come from the socially necessary labor time performed by workers and that workers' wages are a scarce resource made a gift by the capitalist job creator? According to your logic, workers have never shared common interests antagonistic to the capitalist, and therefore other workers are competing with you as enemies?

Do you agree with the so-called Citizen Weston in opposing the workers' class struggle for wage increases?

If you're confused, then you should read "Value, Price, and Profit" to put an end to this ignorance you're demonstrating by giving the bourgeois state repressive power, considering that the role of communists is to unite all workers to overthrow the bourgeois state and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat. This includes fighting for the rights of immigrant workers so that capitalists cannot coerce and abuse their exploitation for profit, and never giving the bourgeois state power to use against other workers and communists.

Let's start with the link for you to read:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

Now I will put several quotes from political programs by Marx and Engels in a bourgeois democracy for you to read:

<(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.

<(v) An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
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>>2510171
>the masses have their own unique civilizational idea of what reality is, and a Marxist Year Zero can't be imposed on that out of nowhere
Skill issue

>>2510171
very funny to essentialize nationality, a concept that's like a couple hundred years old
or maybe they confuse nation with "peoples" or culture.
china is a single country with many peoples and cultures, for example
the ussr tried to do the whole "socialist national federalism" thing, and fell apart along those exact fault lines

also, what if the underlying national consciousness is BAD? like in the case of the settler colonialists. then enforcing year 0 would be a better option than trying to "sublate" it.

>>2510284
>she even claims that the story of Jewish slavery in Egypt isn’t true
the story that Jewish slaves built the pyramids is a fabrication. the pyramids were built by skilled artisans
also rather than trying to even humor Zionist nonsense, just point out that the past doesn't exist

>>2510288
>the story that Jewish slaves built the pyramids is a fabrication. the pyramids were built by skilled artisans
I'm aware of that, the point is that this women is claiming to support Muslims while disagreeing with a foundational story that is mostly Identical with in Islam

>>2510306
that's kinda dumb yeah. Abrahamism must be kept on a short leash

>>2510306
I'm an ex-Muslim, but even in my most secular period, I'd probably just stop watching If I heard that. For a Muslim, this is blasphemous, and the fact that she wants to sell herself as an ally to arabs while trying to be a reddit atheist is fucking funny.

>>2509902
I hope they aren’t victims of the meth boom happening in Myanmar rn

>>2509986
Literally happening in Thailand as we speak
https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/phuket-temple-scandal-as-monks-caught-in-drug-bust

>>2509988
Smoking meth with monks sounds interesting

>>2509991
I’ve only ever been on Adderall, I hated it, I can’t imagine meth in that setting to be a fun time, do you fidget around the temple cleaning it? Meditating on it?

>>2509988
Ze budisme hath falen.
>>2509984
No poppy?

>>2503671
thanks broski

Wtf is that?

>>2509843
It's a podcast about CIA coups, invasions, sanctions, embargoes, and other American Imperialist fuckery.

Season 1 - Iraq War
Season 2 - Bay of Pigs
Season 3 - Korean War
Season 4 - Operation Cyclone
Season 5 - Khmer Rouge
Season 6 - Angola

>>2509898
imo though, and I listened to them over the years, they're not as information dense as one would hope. They're good for educating normies or whatever because they're highly focused on production quality and sound editing and shit like that, less than information density. If you want information density about this kind of stuff just read Killing Hope or Rogue State by William Blum. Their seasons also have source bibliographies.

>>2509910
>A book is more substantive than a podcast
You don't say?

>>2491240
The entirety of the new thread was taken up by that LARPer from that one African island shitting it up with his personal grievances. I'm not the usual bread baker but I'm gonna make a new one

>>2490921
why are you conflating eunuchs with gay men and reactionary politics with docility
>>2490898
>gorky was a reactionary clown so was any unironic retard that agreed with him, including lenin.
lenin yelled at gorky for talking with the "god-builders" and the "fascism = homo" remark was from after lenin died. i doubt lenin was "pro gay" in the contemporary but he did repeal anti-sodomy laws which was pretty forward for the time

new thread

>>2491246
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>>2490051
He wouldn't be nationalizing them in our interest.
Nazi Germany had state-owned companies too.

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HAVANA, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Every few days, in one of Havana’s poorest neighborhoods, a unique start-up ships small containers of sprouting vegetable seedlings to upscale restaurants in other parts of the city, while neighbors struggle to feed their families amid the worst economic crisis in decades.
Yet architect Oliesky Fabre, the founder of Enparalelo (Parallel Roads), pointed proudly the other day to a 2022 UN World Food Programme award. It was one of 10 projects, out of 200 initiatives, deemed to have the most innovative solutions to combat hunger in Latin America and the Caribbean.

“We are a business, but also the motor for a local development project,” Fabre explained, as he worked inside one of two refurbished shipping containers on a vacant lot in the La Timba barrio.
The business started out on Fabre’s balcony as the COVID-19 pandemic raged and traditional Cuban agriculture began a more than 50% decline through last year, according to the Communist-run government.
Enparalelo now works out of the containers and is building a larger production facility nearby on land donated by the local government.
“Microgreens are high in nutrition, relatively inexpensive and easy to grow,” Fabre said.

Jorge Pena, in charge of the community side of the business, said that’s where the second container, fitted with wheels, comes in.
“This place serves as a classroom for residents interested in becoming microgreen farmers,” he said.
The start-up will supply seeds and other items such as coco fiber mesh, used instead of soil, to grow the microgreens, Pena explained.
The new home-based urban growers can then sell their microgreens back to the company, but also to neighbors, and keep some for their own consumption, he said.
"We have turned this container into an entity that can travel first here in La Timba, then to different communities,” Pena said.
“We will inspire a new generation of producers,” he said.

the final beacon of victory of the people

>>2510822
you're reading but you are not understanding

I'm kind of naive about Cuba and somewhat fascinated by it, because it kind of exists as a living mockery of the United States and its imperialist ambitions - this tiny little island nation right next door that the US just couldn't manage to conquer after trying for like two hundred years.

Whenever I ask people about life in Cuba, I always get very polarized answers, either people describe it as an authoritarian shithole rife with poverty and crime and social decay, or they vehemently defend Cuba and its socialist programs and dismiss criticisms of Cuba as Amerilard propaganda.

>>2510841
It looks pretty run-down in a lot of places, but a lot of the anti-communist stuff rests in a nostalgia towards a splendid Havana from the 1950s. There were huge mansions that fell into disrepair later on, but the problem is that the rest of Cuba was poor and half the population was illiterate, and the government was run by rich criminals. Before that it was a stopping point for colonial-era galleons loaded with gold headed to Spain. It was probably a great place to hang out if you were rich. Also today there are a lot of people in Latin American cities living in poorer and more dangerous conditions than in Cuba.

>>2481135
>Something nobody said
WOW, holy shit! That's crazy!!!

>>2453304
>There might be interesting historical reasons why North Koreans are like North Koreans.
Perhaps it's just their culture man, that's the part that is surprisingly unfathomable for libs when they're ripping on the A E S T H E T I C S of the DPRK. You realise there is a hard limit on how different the cultures can be to be subject to liberal diversity.

>>2453272
>The Korean feudal monarchy is what the vanguard of socialism looks like
I doubt you know what feudal or vanguard means.
<North Korea's leadership is seemingly hereditary though, when the west is over that.
and to what end? What difference did changing how leadership is decided from inheritance to nepotism make? I'm not an anthropologist so I don't know why hereditary leadership has been so common throughout human history, but it is and I know the west is over it, but then the monarchies of Europe and Korea have taken quite different trajectories throughout the last few centuries, one being the side that imperialised the world and enjoyed the unfettered development that awarded and resulting infighting about how much of the booty a monarch received, the other only recently got its independence and start on development on its own terms.

I'm not going to be like North Korea BAD because their vanguard seem to dig hereditary leadership in the same way the European Royal Courts did, when the difference is North Korea being a shockingly nice place to be for those who live there given the pressure placed on them by imperialists and the abject poverty peasants of colonial Europe endured, not to mention that of the lowest rungs of modern, imperial but democratic Europe and American society.

>>2453240
>Why is Cuba the only socialist country libs like?
because they enjoy the sanction-torture they subject to revolutionary Cuba

>>2481167
>Perhaps it's just their culture man, that's the part that is surprisingly unfathomable for libs when they're ripping on the A E S T H E T I C S of the DPRK. You realise there is a hard limit on how different the cultures can be to be subject to liberal diversity.
I'd add though, North Korea has also been relatively isolated. It's not so easy to get in and out, and they've tried to keep most Western-style tendencies out. It's not like Japan, but if you traveled to Japan in the 1960s it would've seem less "Western" than it does now, although there was a lot of that influence. The same goes for China. But like I was saying, Cuba is really part of the Western world if we include Latin America in that.

Anyhow, there's this whole debate about Westernization, and there are liberals who embrace it and conservatives who push back on it. North Korea from my perspective actually looks like a form of extreme conservatism at least in this respect.

>Anyhow, there's this whole debate about Westernization, and there are liberals who embrace it and conservatives who push back on it. North Korea from my perspective actually looks like a form of extreme conservatism at least in this respect.
There is no debate. You are an imperialist. Rejecting imperialist control of your nation is not "extreme conservatism," but revolution itself.

i'm not gonna watch seinfeld anymore

>>2510257
Kill yourself Zionist.

>>2510257
we can always exterminate them for flimsy excuses them at any time.

How feasiable is the one state solution? I don't like Zionist, but I think there are alot of people using zionist hate to justify anti semitism, how one can be a effective anti-zionist without falling into clear and open anti semitism?

>>2510656
Impossible. The only way you can have a single state is by Palestinian victory followed by a mass exodus of jews towards NA and EU. Palestinian victory is impossible because the nearby Arab states have given up on this, for a long time now.

If anarchism is no rules then how come they love rules so much? Libtards owned.

well op, the jerk store called and they're all out of you

Anarchism is a deeply white supremacists ideology. Those who read theory, know.

>>2510552
where is this image from, garçon?

Anarchy isn't an ideology, it is just another word for statelessness. The anarchist by definition does not believe in ideology - ideology is antithetical to anarchy. The anarchist simply believes in achieving anarchy, bringing the state to its final and permanent end, by whatever means necessary. Marxists think that they can turn the state into an instrument of its own destruction, but it doesn't work that way. The state does not destroy the state. Those who attempt to use the state as an instrument of liberation only become consumed by its power; they only become the state. The only way to destroy the state is to destroy the social inequalities that give rise to it through organized choreographed dance.

consult the Narodniks, SRs, and Anarchists of the late 1800s

Why do you think they are going all into robotics and AI?

The ruling class are the masters of causing general chaos when they feel they are being threatened. Notice how in Shakespearean plays, anytime a king is killed, suddenly there's a natural disaster or plague or war etc. That's not just literary devices, its an insinctual understanding Shakespeare had that the ruling class will always make sure the public suffers more than the ruling class during times of upheaval.

The point is to make the public desire order and return to normalcy, and deter further attempts at direct violence against the rulers. In the modern world creating mass suffering and chaos has become even easier with genetically modified viruses, increasing racial and religious hatred, social media manipulation etc.

It is the police that function as the primary instrument of brute force and protecting the property of the bourgeosie from the proles, so if you want to do that plan you'll have to get leftist moles to infiltrate the police force. Infiltrating the police and military is something the far-right have already been working hard at for many, many years and leftists will have a tough time getting a foothold in these domains.

If you really do want to cause trouble for the bourgeosie, the best thing to do is find creative ways to hurt their investments that they wouldn't or couldn't possibly plan or account for, preferrably at the worst possible time. For example, go to a large department store before they open for Black Friday and stick weld all of the doors shut.