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I'm getting so tired of running into liberal uyghas online going "black people need to stay home this ain't our fight!" about ICE. They're even worse when they try to justify this with "ICE is just going after illegals and people disrupting them" no differently than a conservative. Black libs don't get shit on enough for how they love yapping like they're pro black revolutionaries and speaking about us like we're the chosen people of the world but the moment shit actually pops off they immediately mobilize to neuter anything uyghas could potentially do. Even worse when they complain about FBA dumbasses while also going "who cares about a jamaican/somali/etc getting brutalized and kidnapped by ICE y'all know they voted for trump right? black americans only have ourselves in this world." Insidious ass psyop. Even my mom's buying into it to a degree.
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>>2668510
>tariq nasheed
The bussyguy?

>>2662539
very obvious psy op

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>>2662546
>You can look at Gallup, Pew, and any other meta analysis about participants in the protests.

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I mean, either way, the majority of participants in the Floyd protests weren't Black. For one, it's just a very sill way to look at things as some quid pro quo thing. Reminds me of the Jews who were raging during the Palestinian protests about how they donated money to BLM or showed support or whatever and now they felt so betrayed that Black people were siding with the Palestinians. Speaking of, where was this "what did the Palestinians ever do for us?" rhetoric when that was going on?

I think OP and everyone else doesn't want to address the elephant in the room which is the message that Tariq Nasheed and his ilk put out that "immigrants are taking our jobs welfare." Also I think there's this other thing with FBA where they want to have the exclusive claim on being Black in America and so they are more anti-Carribean and African immigrants more than any other type. But I guess that doesn't apply here? Well I guess in case of the Somalis and Haitians it does.

Also there is actually a lot of friction between Latinos and Blacks depending on the part of the country. Lot of intermingling too but like a lot of Black people don't really fuck with Mexicans. I've heard multiple times Black Americans that are really afraid of Latinos because they think every one of them is cartel affiliated. Also they don't like how the younger generations of Latinos call each other uygha all the time, and lmao they fucking do.



This is kinda why I'm more or less against racial based organization in America. I kinda think things would be better if we embraced "the dream" of the postracial America. I mean maybe such particularized interest groups are necessary as a bridge, but I think it often leads to this kinda sillyness.

The problem with any kind of identitatian politics is that even when they are 100% necessary to combat racism or other reactionary institutions, they have a tendency to produce myopia among the group in question, even to the point of being anti-universalist. There's definitely a subset of radicals of any identitarian persuasion who will act like any attempt to tackle an issue from a universalist perspective or talk about class or the masses as a whole is an attack on their group.


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unitedstatian 'ultras' are the most obvious crypto chauvinists in the world and I say this as a great and authentic ultraoid

There is more proletarian solidarity to be potentially found among the conscripted ranks of the IDF and Wehrmacht than in your mercenary petty bourgeois/labor aristocrat army

Every dead american soldier is a victory for the international working class. Further proof of this is in the rise of anti-war sentiment among the american proletariat whenever the cost of war spikes (Vietnam, War on Terror) compared to the jingoistic character they generally take whenever it goes their way (WW2, Gulf War), it also has a proletarianization effect on volunteers.

<revolutionary defeat for thee but not for me!
sorry but
>"The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland." - Letter from Marx to Engels In Manchester, 1869
>"The conversion of a war between governments into a civil war is, on the one hand, facilitated by military reverses ("defeats") of governments; on the other hand, one cannot actually strive for such a conversion without thereby facilitating defeat." The Defeat of One's Own Government in the Imperialist War, Lenin

<b-but hate is le bad
While we do not envy or disdain the bourgeoisie as is common of the middle class, as that would reinforce the role of competition in society, Marx also notes that there can be no class war without class hate. Hating your class enemies (police/army) can be revolutionary, granted it doesn't distract from the materialist critique of class society that is absent of morality.

Yes I will take a million dead US soldiers over one dead prole who they were in the process of killing. I'm not shedding a tear over my militant class enemies.
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bang

>>2629713
based

>>2634128
Look at this seething retarded faggot and his leftcom boogeyman

Drop dead tou fucking theorylet

>>2629761
>The "poverty draft" myth has been defeated by actual data time and time again
But you're not posting actual data. You posted anecdotes.

hmmm


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So called GMiL (Great Moments in Leftism) """cartoons""" have been the most reactionary slop from the very beginning, and I'm stopped pretending.

Every piece of shit GMiL strip is a fucking disgrace. Let's put aside its abhorrent aesthetics for a moment ("le low budget aesthetics, lol"), and focus on their message.

GMIL CHALLENGE: YOU POST A SINGLE GMIL COMIC AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW IT IS REACTIONARY. IF I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IT IS REACTIONARY, I WILL PERSONALLY TRANSFER $300 BUCKS TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT.

In any case, this "creative" faglord behind GMiL has been active since April 2013 to May 2018, and since disappeared. It is no stretch of imagination to imagine him becoming a neocon, as these things go. Truly, one would believe that such a "TOTALLY COMMITTED, TRUE-COMMIE" like him would keep producing content until death, but as it turns out he abandoned the entire project for… reasons?!

In any case, this is the webzone where you can get this slop propaganda from: https://greatmomentsinleftism.blogspot.com/2013/04/

I fucking challenge you, yes, YOU, dear poster, to post a SINGLE non-problematic GMiL strip, and if I fail to tear it into pieces, I will transfer moneys.

fo rea, dawg
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>>2668950
>czechoslovaks from austrians, later the nazis, yugoslavs from the ottomans and austrians
Ok, so would you say those liberations were a negative or positive development? Especially with regards to the nazis and austrians I would say it's the latter, the ottomans being a more complicated can of worms

>here's the problem with this line of thinking, if that was actually true then the number of genocides after the national liberation should be lower, obviously you can see yugoslavia as an example, yugoslavia did not become a bastion of liberation for south slavs, but ostensibly a form of serbian chauvinism, this was true even after the KPJ became the leaders of the state, however there were now two yugoslavisms, one that was serbian chuavinist in nature, and now one that valued all nations, all this did was charge the population with nationalist thoughts, and when this government had done dwindled in strength, the nationalism merely became more secessionist, leading to the horrific yugoslav wars of the 90s, in algeria despite the nearly 70 year absence of french colonial rule, it speaks french more than it ever did as a colony, india now has more hindu chauvinism than it did as a colony, chauvinism that is creating genocidal conditions
That's fair, I agree and again I don't think "national liberation" is inherently progressive, it is dependent on the context in which it takes place. To bring it back to Gaza, until national liberation takes place, no economic or social progression can be achieved at all, they will simply remain effective prisoners of the israelis on the basis of their race or be exterminated entirely.
>the point is that looser chains is not actual progress, nor is it simply "progressive" for this, it is nominally an improvement, but progress is when this is rid of, not simply loosened
This is a bit semantics imo, the difference between viewing progression as a process towards and an arrival at a destination. Tight>looser>loose or tight > loose
>a problem i noted here is that imperialism hasn't meaningfully weakened after the national liberations of the 20th century, if anything it's gotten stronger, in the eyes of much of the population there, marxism is dead and has been for 30 yearPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669021
>So you think them remaining colonies would be better or?
it really depends on the governance and how they did it, you don't really see things like that in countries like vietnam or kenya, but you do in most other examples (just for your information the difference is that kenya mostly became independent mostly without armed struggle, and vietnam mostly violently)
>>2669021
>itself. Again, this line of argument makes it seem like you actually think remaining a colonial subject is the progressive thing
only if you think that's the argument rather than "national liberation is more often reactionary than it is a progressive movement, and is fetishized without understanding the full gravity of it"
>Ok, so would you say those liberations were a negative or positive development? Especially with regards to the nazis and austrians I would say it's the latter, the ottomans being a more complicated can of worms
i wouldn't define either as particularly positive developments, the iron was hot to abolish the individual reactionary constructs of "czech" or "slovak", "serbian" or "croatian", which would be progressive, neither happened, i'll also say now that the ottomans were decidedly the worse force compared to the austrians, not a mixed bag, as the austrians had allowed limited forms of parliamentary representation, the ottomans ruled by military rule although were better than other alternatives
>That's fair, I agree and again I don't think "national liberation" is inherently progressive, it is dependent on the context in which it takes place. To bring it back to Gaza, until national liberation takes place, no economic or social progression can be achieved at all, they will simply remain effective prisoners of the israelis on the basis of their race or be exterminated entirely.
this is about the only condition in which national liberation could be defended in, as it is the basis of actually becoming something, although for the most part it's fantasy given utter annihilation and deportation seems more likely
>I mean, I think that the formation of those blocks does weaken imperialism Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669035
>it really depends on the governance and how they did it
>national liberation is more often reactionary than it is a progressive movement, and is fetishized without understanding the full gravity of it
Idk anon, this does sound like you prefer these movements didn't happen in the majority. That it was a step backwards, ie reactionary and that thus the progressive thing would have been to remain colonial subjects. Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just indifference.

>this is about the only condition in which national liberation could be defended in, as it is the basis of actually becoming something,
It's really not too dissimilar to other colonial projects. Just worse in a lot of ways and lasting longer into the present. Imo, without the decolonial and national liberation movements that happened, we'd be seeing a lot more of what is happening in Palestine across the world.

>although for the most part it's fantasy given utter annihilation and deportation seems more likely
Unfortunately so. Still, the future is not set and maximalist positions should be taken to prevent this, exclaiming support for organizations like hamas is the least of it. Especially when considering the predominant view of such organizations in the imperial core


>the point is sort of that national liberation struggles haven't really lead to much class struggle rather than simple nationalist developmentalism
Imo that's part of the class struggle, which is a tremendously slow and protracted process

>>2669062
>Idk anon, this does sound like you prefer these movements didn't happen in the majority. That it was a step backwards, ie reactionary and that thus the progressive thing would have been to remain colonial subjects. Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just indifference.
i can see how you'd get that from it, it's just not what i'm saying whatsoever, i suggest you keep that benefit of the doubt
>It's really not too dissimilar to other colonial projects. Just worse in a lot of ways and lasting longer into the present. Imo, without the decolonial and national liberation movements that happened, we'd be seeing a lot more of what is happening in Palestine across the world.
partially true, most other nations were gaining consciousness that they didn't need national liberation first, i mean an obvious example would be the bangladeshis, but in the case of palestine it happened precisely because there wasn't really a bourgeois nationalist movement strong enough in the arab world at that point, and there wasn't really a palestinian identity in the modern sense, it only really emerged after 1948 where as before it was an imposed identity from the british, and then it became the identity they had adopted as a result of the israeli colonization, though obviously it isn't really exceptional in the broader sense, it is exceptional in the modern sense
>Unfortunately so. Still, the future is not set and maximalist positions should be taken to prevent this, exclaiming support for organizations like hamas is the least of it. Especially when considering the predominant view of such organizations in the imperial core
i would say a problem with this is that position hasn't really led to much good either, hence why alternative positions have been taken on this issue
>Imo that's part of the class struggle, which is a tremendously slow and protracted process
it's not really that slow, protracted certainly, the whole problem (and part of the argument i'm making) is that these don't really stop capitalism's natural development and decelerate the global class struggle, as the stability of the world system of capitalism has only really increased since the 1960s rather than decelerate as was the expectatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669068
>i would say a problem with this is that position hasn't really led to much good either, hence why alternative positions have been taken on this issue
Anon, idk what you're thinking of, but the maximalist position on this issue is not exactly what i'd call a commonly held one. Only recently has any sort of hard line emerged at a larger scale and even then it's far from normalized enough to effect anything substantially.

>it's not really that slow, protracted certainly, the whole problem (and part of the argument i'm making) is that these don't really stop capitalism's natural development and decelerate the global class struggle, as the stability of the world system of capitalism has only really increased since the 1960s rather than decelerate as was the expectation of the time,
I understand what you're saying, but we're getting into very subjective territory here. On the one hand economic development progresses, imperialism is strengthened, on the other hand internal stability is decreasing, trust and understanding in liberal institutions is waning, old structures are losing their edge. I find it hard to blame the existence and particular successes and failures of natlib struggles for the stability of the capitalist system. You might say they didn't do anything to prevent it or be outright facilitating it, but that's not a known factor and similar claims could be made about basically everything. You play with the cards you're dealt and sometimes, in our case basically always, you're dealt a bad hand.
>we have to take a new perspective is what i'm saying, not just relying on the positions of long dead men and women
Such as?


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How far up the spectrum was Karl Marx?

You can't tell me this mad lad doesn't have plenty of autism traits. The absolute unit just doesn't give a fuck.
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clearly he had ADHD

>>2668299
>>2668463
Yeah, it's pretty obvious if you know even just a bit of (actual) psychology.

>>2668273
It is really funny to just take a step back and realize that Marx was a complete madlad that probably would have gotten himself shot if Engels wasn't holding him back

>>2668494
>It is really funny to just take a step back and realize that Marx was a complete madlad that probably would have gotten himself shot if Engels wasn't holding him back

Other way around. Engels actually picked up a gun in 1848 and fought under Willich while Marx stayed at home and wrote. When Willich challenged Marx to a duel later, Marx said "no, are you crazy" while some acolyte of Marx stepped in and got himself shot on Marx's behalf.

>>2669076
so, "we don't need theory, just action" people existed from the beginning huh


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The USA is entering similar conditions to those seen from 1968–1972. These include imperial overreach, the normalization of acts of terror domestically, general disdain for the aging ruling class, stagnating wages, and open talk of civil war.
The main difference between the two periods is this: Gen Z has far more worse material conditions than the Boomers ever did, but at the same time far fewer direct casualties from proxy conflicts. American People aren’t dying in Venezuela, and probably won't unless the rest of the Manduro's party mobilizes the country.
Trump knows that if there is ever a draft, or if US troops start dying in large numbers, that would be the final breaking point. This is why he carried out the swift, public kidnapping of Maduro.
He understands that the US is in a crisis of capitalism, and as a result he is using, and has been using foreign threats (including the tariffs ofc), as an outlet for the interal crisis.

He is deverting internal class conflict within the US, outward onto the rest of the globe.

The main question that should be asked is this; since there is not a general organization of labor like the boomers had, will this cause a rise into smaller, but much more revolutionary organizations?
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>>2626867
This. We're reliving the gilded age and have no one to blame but ourselves.

>>2626379
Trump doesn’t know that though. He honestly is that stupid.

>>2626889
That's why I don't blame dictators for supporting him, he's senile and easy to manipulate.

>>2626379
give it a few more years and we'll be entering into pre-new deal guilded age-like conditions due to AI destroying the white collar middle class. I keep saying that communists just need to wait until AI adoption in firms speeds up and for boomers to completely die off and we're basically right back in the 1920s. All the benefactors of the new deal will be dead leaving nothing behind, and AI will take cushy white collar jobs and make everyone but a select few low skill wagies

>>2626379
Zero class consciousness in USA. Only thing you will get is more liberalism or fascism.


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Thoughts on the new monument of unity that Russia is building? Monarchists are not too happy about it …
What is the Marxist perspective on this? Surely Marx would have something to say about this.
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>>2668529
You can search it yourself you lazy shit
https://tsarnicholas.org/2025/03/20/a-joint-monument-to-nicholas-ii-lenin-and-yeltsin-to-be-erected-in-russia/

>>2668540
Wow, some dude's blog post.. how legit

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>>2668472
you could see this schizo shit coming from a mile away buy talking to the average russian conservative guy

>>2668498
Boris became extra anticommunist after Gorbachev had him electrocuted

The "source" is a russian satire website, btw
https://panorama.pub/news/v-rossii-otkrout-sovmestnyj-pamatnik


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<The Democratic Socialists of America
Why do they exist? What do they do? Who are their allies, who are their enemies? What is this caucus thing? Is BlackRedGuard truly the secret leader of it all? What are their objectives, their tendencies, their strategy, their tactics?
DSA anons, enlighten me.
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>>2668059
>They're fascist because they're socdems.
Chyna?!

They exist for you to join them for the opportunity to get laid by leftist arthoes

Is it true that the DSA is gonna run candiates for the 2028 national election or is that LARP

they exist to vindicate the social-fascist theory as formulated by Stalin, thats it

>>2668033
yes, most of the members are actually quite principled and do good work. Also despite what this board thinks the vast majority of the DSA aren't socdems

>>2668035
It behaves like a party in all but name. It only lacks a separate ballot line but thats not what makes a party. Most parties in europe run on a chapter style formation.

>>2668502
Yes the goal is to run someone for 2028, obviously not expecting to win but mostly to build more mass appeal and publicity for the party


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How far back did he send American leftist movements? Before him Jimmy Carter was talking about more programs, working with the USSR and socialism lite equivalents. Then Ronald Regan comes in, introduces crack, reignites the red scare and perma fucks all relationships with leftist ideology. To the point where the Democrats regressed hard and socialism would be a dirty word until the 2020s. Even then it’s still only used by the most radical mainstream politics.
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Bill Clinton was worse.

>>2667412
Nixon ruined the american left, reagan just made it worst

>>2667412
>more programs
>socialism lite equivalents
Which isn't Communism but social fascism. Critical support to Reagan.

>>2667412
Well, the first thing I want to say is, "Mandate, my ass!"
Because it seems as though we've been convinced
That 26% of the registered voters–
Not even 26% of the American people
But 26% of the registered voters–
Form a mandate, or a landslide

21% voted for Skippy
And 3, 4% voted for somebody else
Who might have been running

But, oh yeah, I remember
In this year that we have now declared
The year from Shogun to Ray-Gun
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>>2667412
I forgot which Democrat I just heard quoting Reagan. It's hilarious that he is probably the most pro-immigrant president ever. Reagan is weird. Obviously a bad dude, but weirdly good in a way.


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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<FunkoPop Sturmabteilung Edition

2025 had the highest number of deaths in ICE Detention since 2004, including the pandemic years when immigrants were dying in overcrowded conditions without gloves, mask, or hygiene upkeep, and December 2025 was the deadliest month on record

💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_in_ICE_detention

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
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>>2668522
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CHVDS

>>2668572
>>2668574
Aerosolization would put you at risk of dying also

>>2668525
that's straight up george costanza on that bench

>>2668531
Honoring imperialists. Why should the left care about this man, by the lefts own logic he is an enemy of the global south?


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The system doesn't just manufacture consent. It also manufactures dissent and decides which dissidents you're allowed to hear.
Michael Parenti published "Inventing Reality" in 1986. Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" came out in 1988.
Chomsky cited Parenti exactly once, for an article, not the book that preceded his own on the same subject.
Same thesis: media serves power. But the books are not the same.
On "conspiracy": Chomsky dismisses structural analysis that names actors as "conspiracy theorism." Parenti: "The alternative to a conspiracy theory is an innocence theory… the CIA is by definition a conspiracy."
Chomsky wanted you to protest… abstractly. Never name the names.
Right-wing anticommunism is obvious. But they needed someone to attack socialism from the left, to gut-punch communism from inside the tent. Enter Chomsky.
Chomsky equates Stalin with Goebbels, called Leninism "counterrevolution."
Parenti documented the real gains: full employment, free healthcare, free education, free housing.
He wrote about how the existence of the USSR forced concessions in the capitalist countries: social programs, worker rights, formal decolonization.
Capital had to compete with an alternative Chomsky made sure you wouldn't defend.
On empire: Chomsky framed US foreign policy as blunders and mistakes. Parenti said "the Iraq war has not been a mistake", it succeeded for the class it serves. Your taxes, your children's lives. Their profits, their reconstruction contracts. Externalized costs, privatized gains.
On intervention: Chomsky supported the NATO no-fly zone over Libya. Parenti opposed it, listed what Libyans would never see again after "liberation."
On elections: Chomsky did the "lesser evil" dance every four years, vote Democrat in swing states. Parenti broke with Bernie Sanders over the bombing of Yugoslavia.
Chomsky got MIT, The Guardian, documentaries, Jacobin. Parenti barely got lecture halls and public access TV.
Parenti was the one they didn't want you listening to, so they put Chomsky in front of you.
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>>2665240
>Marx, Engels and Lenin called all this shit petit-bourgeois reform
no they didnt you fucking moron, because they knew reform couldnt give this to people, only socialism could

>middle-classes
what is it with braindead people pretending to know theory while obviously never having bothered to read a single book?

It's over

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>>2668230
>reform couldnt give this to people, only socialism could
the "this" in question is shit that happens in plenty of capitalist countries already 😂😂

<still getting triggered over the use of "middle class"
way to self-report retard. even marx used the term several times

>>2665179
your posts are not even 1% the quality of the people you attack

>>2668556
>shitting your diapers and moralizing over this
theres no quality to be found in people who just spout endless shit to further their own careers


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