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Successful mass resistance to ICE has flourished everywhere.

you even have entire municipal police departments threatening to confront ICE.

Now ask yourself: why would the ruling class allow the plebs to challenge federal law? Would that not set a dangerous precedent for the ruling class to have ordinary working class people resist federal policy?

And the answer in this case is no, they're not afraid. And the reason is simple: THE RULING CLASS, THE BIG CORPORATE OLIGARCHS, WANT UNLIMITED MESTIZO IMMIGRATION IN THE US.

unlimited undocumented immigration from latin America means that capitalists can call upon a pool of unlimited scabs and also pay them BELOW minimum wage. white workers are simply too much of a hassle to deal with, they put up a stink and ask for too much. Jose and Juan, by contrast, have zero leverage and therefore can be hyper-exploited.

I will be called a republican, trumpist, fascist, but I am right. material analysis > muh feels.

Now this is not to suggest that the republicans care about workers, but the broader point I'm trying to make is that this goes beyond democrat vs republican identity politics: this is about what the haute bourgeoisie want. They want scared and vulnerable immigrants. simple as.
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>>2639397
It’s also because their families back home are dependent on remittances in places where first world currency goes a lot further

>>2639404
yes, which is one of the dumbest parts of the capitalist system:
<my green paper is worth more than your green paper!

>>2639411
What’s fucked up is it’s only America that gets the shitty green paper, everyone else gets these awesome pale pinks, yellows, blues with these shiny watermarks

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>>2639419
the 1 dollar bill is still GOAT'd

>>2639433
It is funny how the eye pyramid is like catnip for schizos



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>To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.

- Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

"I can't help but believe that in the future we will see in the United States and throughout the Western world an increasing trend toward the next logical step, employee ownership. It is a path that befits a free people." - Ronald Reagan?!

https://www.cesj.org/about-cesj-in-brief/history-accomplishments/pres-reagans-speech-on-project-economic-justice/

This is a thread about organizing cooperatives. It is not about debating the merits or lack thereof of cooperatives. I understand there are critiques of cooperatives, and how they are not enough to bring about proletarian revolution. The same is true of unions, but I still support the creation of unions and worker-owned cooperatives as part of a multi-pronged strategy.

Resources (feel free to add)
https://www.theselc.org/cooperatives-resources
https://www.theselc.org/bite-sized-law
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>>2616416
This
>Try to start a co-op
>Have to pick between class conscious workers that have no idea how to work manual labour or classcucks that don't care a single bit about it but know how to work.

>>2634626
the key would be to create a worker owned monopoly by having small cooperatives merge with each other over time. and just because small businesses can't compete with monopolies doesn't doom them to total bankruptcy instantly. Many of them survive a good while before going under.

>>2616351
Ignore the haters OP. I am all for sources of income for the party and means of subsistence for valuable cadre as well as one's community. A coop by itself is long term just subject to market forces, but as part of a movement is an agent for dual power.

>>2616449
>If Engels admits cooperatives are "are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies" (emphasis on the word bourgeois) then he admits that co-operatives are not only not bourgeois (by implication)
true
> but also that they can potentially, in some situations, outcompete the bourgeoisie.
less certain
>Large cooperatives like Mondragon prove that cooperatives can grow into huge firms. That's also good. Worker cooperatives could potentially grow into Worker-owned monopolies if competition and buyouts are made a priority by the worker-members.
There have also been situations where traditional bourgeois companies became cooperative after a strike demanded worker ownership. It happened once in France I think. So it is entirely possible for the workers to use strikes win ownership stakes. Someone would say this is revisionism and breeds labor aristocracy though.
>Vertical and horizontal integration of a nation's firms into a worker-owned monopoly could prove a very strong thorn in the bourgeoisie's side. They may even at some point have to make cooperatives illegal, which would agitate the workers and force them down a more militant and illegal path, which is also good as an accelerant towards revolution.
Also an interesting and underrated point.
>n. The exhaustion of peaceful avenues shows the proletariat through experience the need for violent, illegal, and militant struggle. This is part of why the legal half of struggle is needed: Its exhaustion proves to the workers still deluded by reformism that the game is rigged.
This is consistent with Lenin. Good post overall.

>>2634626
any cooperatives willing to excessively exploit themselves,and even then they can't just have turn over to get rid of the workers that no longer have anything to squeeze from

the type of industry or place doesn't matter,since in the real world managers (ie,people employed by the "leader")are the one commanding those structures,so what's the real difference ?

and like the other said,the inevitability of capital consolidation happens because of the rate of profit declining,and even if it's steady,it's FAR from having killed small bussiness entirely



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>orwell's 1948 book
<the world shall be divided into 3 spheres of influence that have essentially Bourgeois-Managerial Dictatorships:
<oceania (NATO)
<Eurasia (Russian Federation)
<Eastasia (PRC)
<with disputed regions in the global south

how was this reactionary snitch able to predict multipolarity with such astounding clarity?
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>>2638321
>Russia is barely or not even a pole.
trve trve

I haven’t read the book because my high school only assigned Animal Farm, but I thought the point was that EastAsia, Eurasia don’t exist and “Airstrip 1” was the only actual territory of Oceania because the rest of the world was destroyed by a previous nuclear war.

>>2638322
>pic
That was the general sentiment of the elites of that time and it is a blatant and malicious lie. They claimed that these dirty proles want to destroy their culture meanwhile in reality proles of that time always organized reading clubs, literary saloons and classical music concerts and generally all in for culture and the education of children. Actually it was the decadent ruling class who regressed into idiocy like spiritualism, occultism and finally fascism. I hate Orwell so damn much.

>>2638367
no… that's not the point at all lol…
the wars between the 3 superpowers exist, but they are highly managed kayfabe meant to destroy excess productive forces and labor power in order to stabilize production and prices. Which is actually what rajani palme dutt says about fascism. so it's 3 fascist superpowers just doing highly managed social-darwinism and death cultism eternally




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Is Carney a political genius? He just needs another MP to become majority

>>2593523
he's a "progressive conservative" leader running in the liberal party, and he more favorable then Poilievre so far

>>2593523
Poilievre is just a colossal retard who blew the easiest election win in history by being too much of a Yankee blowing cuck.

Anyone actually go to the Canadian Communist Party congress that was held recently?




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>>2638066
Russia is your next door neighbor. You can see Russia from the U.S.

>>2638166
yeah, surely I didn't name produciton-economic relationships. as in, believe that monarchies around the world all let the free market economies to behave as it pleases it.

>>2638230
>Why do babby socialists think elections mean anything?
because you need to use the bourgeoise tools against them.
the bourgeoise makes weapons, will you not use weapons to put their heads on a pitchfork?

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>>2637848
>He doesn't know about the BLM protests



 

There's a dark comedy in watching pig on pig violence play out within the USA


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>>2638381
>pig on pig

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unitedstatian 'ultras' are the most obvious crypto chauvinists in the world and I say this as a great and authentic ultraoid

There is more proletarian solidarity to be potentially found among the conscripted ranks of the IDF and Wehrmacht than in your mercenary petty bourgeois/labor aristocrat army

Every dead american soldier is a victory for the international working class. Further proof of this is in the rise of anti-war sentiment among the american proletariat whenever the cost of war spikes (Vietnam, War on Terror) compared to the jingoistic character they generally take whenever it goes their way (WW2, Gulf War), it also has a proletarianization effect on volunteers.

<revolutionary defeat for thee but not for me!

sorry but
>"The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland." - Letter from Marx to Engels In Manchester, 1869
>"The conversion of a war between governments into a civil war is, on the one hand, facilitated by military reverses ("defeats") of governments; on the other hand, one cannot actually strive for such a conversion without thereby facilitating defeat." The Defeat of One's Own Government in the Imperialist War, Lenin

<b-but hate is le bad

While we do not envy or disdain the bourgeoisie as is common of the middle class, as that would reinforce the role of competition in society, Marx also notes that there can be no class war without class hate. Hating your class enemies (police/army) can be revolutionary, granted it doesn't distract from the materialist critique of class society that is absent of morality.

Yes I will take a million dead US soldiers over one dead prole who they were in the process of killing. I'm not shedding a tear over my militant class enemies.
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critical support to IDF and Wehrmacht proles

death to burgerreich petite-mercenary army doebeit :)

Yes but like class war alone would end like 99% of the bullshit so i don't really see the problem

>>2629445
>There is more proletarian solidarity to be potentially found among the conscripted ranks of the IDF and Wehrmacht
this is why leftcoms should all killed with hammers also fuck off genocide supporting is literally you guys policy since ᴉuᴉlossnW you dont get to pick and choose now

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>>2630722
obvious samefagging

Topical thread



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Intellectual production is the media, education, art, etc, that is created in a society. Since intellectual production is a direct extension of material production and because we are in the capitalist mode of production, the bourgeoisie heavily influnces and almost entirely controls intellectual production.

I feel like the internet has changed this although, since everyone has a voice, from the capitalists to us; as a result, I don't know if this definition of intellectual production by Marx still fully applies, idk.

The problem is capitalists control the internet and can shut down all the “organic” content they don’t like and boost content that aligns with their own interests.

>>2638112
This, the web domain holders don't have complete control over their domains, the IPs have to be negotiated away.



 

How did you react when Trump won? I personally drank a bottle of champagne because I knew it was the beginning of the end of the USA. He is the worst kind of man and everyone knows it. Watching him destroy the US for 10 years while in and out of office has been so vindicating. He has made China into a moral leader. He is such a great capstone on the genocidal project founded in bourgeois revolution - the Settler Entity.

(This is a microblogging thread in the style of Twitter and Reddit, the front pages of the Internet.)
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>>2634248
>I personally laughed and just accepted that America is fucked while my friends were panicking

Oh my god I you just brought back a memory I had in 2016 where I had the exact same reaction

>picrel
sucks so hard normies fell for all the propaganda. I told them Biden was building concensus for war with china, and the retards would just say "at least he's not Trump" even though it was obvious with the cost of living rising that Trump was gonna win after him.

>>2634246
>another personalistic individualist read of history
so-called materialist ideologues at it again, congrats ya dolts

>>2634246
>He is such a great capstone on the genocidal project founded in bourgeois revolution - the Settler Entity.
Cringiest phrase ever written

>>2634628
Dark age of America, a literal sleazebag TV personality ended up destroying it



 

Scientology is interesting because it is literally bullshit. But can we use their tactics to grow the left? Why is it so hard for something based in reason to work while something that isn't fails?
>Spot who is attacking us.
>Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using own professionals, not outside agencies.
>Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them.
>Start feeding lurid, blood, sex, crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press.
>Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way. You can get "reasonable about it" and lose. Sure we break no laws. Sure we have nothing to hide. BUT attackers are simply an anti-Scientology propaganda agency so far as we are concerned. They have proven they want no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover. So BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us—only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us. I speak from 15 years of experience in this. There has never yet been an attacker who was not reeking with crime. All we had to do was look for it and murder would come out.
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>>2636964
They infiltrated Linkin Park?

>>2636949
Didn't the Catholic Church condemn the intermixing of communism and christianity, labeling it liberation theology? I think liberation theology won out in Nicaragua.

>>2636964
Doesn't Trump believe in manifestation and LOA

>>2636949
yeah the Hubbard/Parsons shit was spooky af too. british intelligence completely tore down america's and rebuilt in its own image during/after WWII, all the way down to whatever freaky moloch shit the british aristocracy's into. scientology was just a commercially successful spinoff from a line that stretches from Parsons through LaVey and Aquino, onward through Myatt and Sutter. I used to be on the fringes of some of this shit (NEVER any fucking O9A or related shit) and got the fuck out and started going to church again after I came to the conclusion that the whole history of modern LHP "traditions" was just spooks and kidfuckers all the way down

>>2637036
They tried so hard.



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