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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Trumpian Empire Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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Undoubtedly racist is the idea of unipolar globalization. It is based on the fact that Western, especially American, society equates its history and its values to universal law and artifcially tries to con- struct a global society based on these local and historically specific values – democracy, the market, parliamentarianism, capitalism, individualism, human rights, and unlimited technological development. These values are local, and globalization is trying to impose them onto all of humanity as something that is universal and taken for granted. This attempt implicitly argues that the values of all other peoples and cultures are imperfect, underdeveloped, and are subject to modernization and standardization based on the Western model.
Globalization is thus nothing more than a globally deployed model of Western European, or, rather, Anglo-Saxon ethnocentrism, which is the purest

Men are totally defined by their identity, language, cultural biology, history, and heritage in any sense, positive or negative. So I think in that sense only robots or racist, which are almost the same typologically, cold pretend to possess a universal rule or universal protocols to define what justice if for a Russia, Muslim, or Chinese.

Dugin

>>2558715
ideally some non muslims will show up to defend the muslims from discrimination (I don't care for religion in general)

new thread >>2558777
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>>2558443
his wife had 6 miscarriages too iirc

>>2558662
BS. Read tge fostergate chaoter in one nation under blavkmail



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Israeli settlers torch factories and farmland in massive West Bank arson raid
Elsewhere, settlers fenced off more Palestinian land in the northern Jordan Valley, a move seen as an attempt to prevent farmers from working and to undermine their livelihoods. Meanwhile, in occupied East Jerusalem, settlers continued near-daily incursions into Al-Aqsa Mosque, with over 200 entering its courtyards under the protection of Israeli police, the Islamic Waqf Department said. The settlers performed Talmudic prayers and rituals inside the mosque, while Israeli forces stationed outside the gates barred Muslim worshippers from entering.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/settler-violence-escalates-west-bank-amid-olive-harvesting-season

Iraqi PM al-Sudani’s coalition comes first in parliamentary election
While al-Sudani, who first came to power in 2022, had cast himself as a leader who could turn around Iraq’s fortunes after decades of instability, the poll was marked by disillusionment among weary voters who saw it as a vehicle for established parties to divide Iraq’s oil wealth. Turnout was lower in areas like Baghdad and Najaf after populist Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr, leader of the Sadrist Movement, called on his vast numbers of supporters to boycott the “flawed election”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/12/iraqi-pm-al-sudanis-coalition-comes-first-in-parliamentary-election
https://archive.ph/vI68i

Refugee death toll in the central Mediterranean tops 1,000, UN warns
THE REFUGEE death toll in the central Mediterranean has topped 1,000, the UN’s International Organisation for Migration (IOM) announced today, following another tragic shipwreck off the coast of Libya last week. A rubber boat carrying 49 people left Zuwara, on Libya’s northern coast, on November 3 at 3am. However, six hours later, high waves capsized the boat and threw its passengers overboard.
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Puerto Ricans Continue Protests Against US Militarism and War Threats
Tuesday’s protest was also held in honor of Ángel Rodríguez Cristóbal, a Puerto Rican revolutionary who was found dead in a Florida prison—where he was serving a six-month sentence for opposing the US Navy occupation and bombing of Vieques, Puerto Rico—on November 11, 1979. While US authorities said Rodríguez killed himself, many critics believe he was assassinated.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-military-buildup-puerto-rico

Venezuelans sent by Trump to El Salvador endured systematic torture, report finds
The report, compiled jointly by Human Rights Watch (HRW) and Cristosal – a group investigating violations in Central America – says conditions at El Salvador’s sprawling “terrorist continent center” (Cecot) breached the UN’s standard minimal rules for the treatment of prisoners. It cites “inhumane prison conditions, including prolonged incommunicado detention, inadequate food” and other shortcomings.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/12/venezuelans-el-salvador-trump-torture-report

Former officer pleads guilty to mistreating prisoner paralyzed in Connecticut police van
Cox, 39, who did not attend the New Haven Superior Court hearing, was left paralyzed from the chest down on June 19, 2022, when the police van he was riding in without a seat belt braked hard, sending him head-first into a metal partition while his hands were cuffed behind his back. He had been arrested on charges of threatening a woman with a gun, which were later dismissed.
https://apnews.com/article/prisoner-paralyzed-connecticut-police-e1884dfee43764185507290943b52ca3

Judge to release hundreds detained by ICE in Chicago area
A federal judge on Wednesday said he could order the release of hundreds of people detained by ICE in the Chicago area in the coming days, yet another legal setback to Operation Midway Blitz. The judge ordered 13 detainees be rPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Priorities on the international front: Ahead of the Communist Party’s forthcoming Congress, KEVAN NELSON takes a look at the global issues of war, peace and imperialism that will be up for discussion among comrades this weekend
IN 1924, the 6th Congress of the Communist Party of Great Britain made “pledges of solidarity with the struggling colonial workers and promises the fullest possible assistance in the development of their struggle for freedom. It appreciates it as an immediate duty to denounce and expose the treacherous conduct of the Labour government in this country. This government has since its accession to office not merely allowed but excused and condoned the shooting down and massacre of colonial workers. Thousands of workers are in gaol in Egypt and India and the Labour government does nothing.” This weekend, 101 years on at the 58th Congress of the Communist Party, similar criticisms will echo through time as delegates condemn the complicity of today’s Labour government with the Israeli-perpetrated genocide in Gaza and its pre-eminent role in Nato’s drive to war. Typically, the Congress will have a substantial international character with an array of delegates and visitors from sister communist and workers’ parties. Invitations to Congress have been accepted by Ofer Cassif, a communist member of the parliament (Knesset) in Israel and Bassam al-Sahli the general secretary of the Palestinian People’s Party who will give first-hand accounts of resistance to Israel’s war machine and occupation in Gaza and the West Bank.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/priorities-international-front

How the US Intervened to Sabotage Angola’s Independence
November 11, 2025, marks the fiftieth anniversary of Angola’s independence, ending more than five centuries of Portuguese domination. The independence struggle had been long and bloody, marked by outside intervention that turned Angola into a Cold War battleground. In this regard, Angola was not alone. In the aftermath of World War II, African independence movements sprang up in French, British, and Belgian colonies, where civilian populations had been forced to support the European war effort. In exchange for their sacrifices, they demanded political rights, better living and working conditions, and eventually coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

thanks newsanon


>>2558673
*Thanks News Anon



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>but muh marx

Apple just launched a new revolutionary product that completely changes how you can use your phone. Will bernd get the $149.95 version, or the $229.95 pro version that comes with a long strap? It's even compatible with icky green bubble androids.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way-to-wear-and-carry-iphone/
>ISSEY MIYAKE and Apple today unveiled iPhone Pocket. Inspired by the concept of “a piece of cloth,” its singular 3D-knitted construction is designed to fit any iPhone as well as all pocketable items.
>Born from the idea of creating an additional pocket, its understated design fully encloses iPhone, expanding to fit more of a user’s everyday items. When stretched, the open textile subtly reveals its contents and allows users to peek at their iPhone display. iPhone Pocket can be worn in a variety of ways — handheld, tied onto bags, or worn directly on the body.
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>>2557751
classic

>>2557751
you are missing the point, they are both scat piggies who enjoy degradation

Finally. Something to show off how cool child and slave labour is in the third world

>>2557384
>doesn't come in Red
fucking liberal shit

Moved to >>>/tech/31676.



 

>the US is closer to the socialist end of the spectrum than it is to having free, competitive markets.

>This really started to accelerate in the early 1900s.


This is true. And almost entire Europe is more socialist than it was 100 years ago.

The federal reserve (central bank) creation in the US has also basically started 2 world wars, the entire state of Israel, the expansionist empire and all it's horrible consequences.
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>>2557102
>egolice
Lmao

>>2556941
Thats even dumber than just accepting the fed is ancapistain realized
>Muh competition
Oh look at that. My invisible money of just take your shit and fuck money, fuck civilization, fuck expectations and the nap
>Competition
>I win

State intervention into markets (to preserve them) is not socialism.

/thread

>>2557144
MMT is already dead, you can stop shilling it

>>2557311
>Capitalism = private property + voluntary exchange.
>Corporatism = state-granted privilege + regulatory moats.
Then all capitalism is corporatism.



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Billionaire Beggar Bailout Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2557600
don't even like crime-focused hip hop, you're just being a moralist

it's funny if you like hip hop that isn't about "N killing N" you get called a "backpacker" and bourgeois hipster. But if you do like the crime focused lumpen hip hop you get called an enjoyer of blaxploitation minstrel shows. And if you don't like hip hop at all you get called racist. There's no winning with this stupid subject matter and the only reason it came up in the first place is because a rightoid swooped into the thread and demanded everyone dance to his tune and jump through his hoops to prove they aren't "radlibs"

>>2557635
nah i know how these conversations go. someone says everything except being a groyper makes you a radlib, people disagree, and then you move the goalpost to prove you're not a radlib and then everyone spends the rest of the thread in a competition to be the stupidest and most reactionary person, because people are so afraid of being seen by other internet losers as a 2015 pink haired reddit SJW stereotype that they will race to the bottom to prove it isn't the case.

>>2557306
>le gamer rant
twitterfag pls go with uor boogiemans

>>2556740
nobody just goes to the gulag, they get many chances to serve their countrymen and reform themselves.

>>2556740
You made the fatal assumption they see their black neighbor as more than just a rat or a death row murderer. Turbo reactionaries don’t think that way.



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Belgrade protests plan to turn historic NATO bombing site into Kushner luxury hotel
On Tuesday, November 11, protesters converged from across the city and drew a red line around the site’s perimeter to symbolize a promise to defend it. “Today we have performatively shown what we will do in the coming days,” student Valentina Moravčević told Mašina. “We will be a living wall between all those who are trying to demolish these buildings. Cultural heritage is now defended exclusively on the streets, and that’s what we’re going to do.”
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/11/11/belgrade-protests-plan-to-turn-historic-nato-bombing-site-into-kushner-luxury-hotel/

Reeves has 'manifestly failed' as unemployment jumps to 5%
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported a figure of 5 per cent covering the three months to September - the highest since late 2020. This was up from 4.8 per cent reported last month and a larger leap than economists had predicted, with men worst affected by the shift. Separate HMRC data released by the ONS also showed a 32,000 decline in payrolled employment during October.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/reeves-has-manifestly-failed-unemployment-jumps-5

Court rules asylum seekers can stay at Epping hotel
Epping Forest District Council sought to block migrants lodging at The Bell Hotel in Epping by arguing its owner had flouted planning rules. Mr Justice Mould dismissed the claim on Tuesday, ruling an injunction was "not an appropriate means of enforcing planning control".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x1wz8jz0yo

Indian police invoke ‘terror’ law as Modi alleges Delhi blast ‘conspiracy’
Police were still to give details on Tuesday on what caused the explosion near the Indian capital’s historic Red Fort, but officials said that the case had been registered under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, India’s main “anti-terrorism” law, giving investigators broader powePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The FBI Is Trying to Unmask the Registrar Behind Archive.Today
About a week ago, the X account belonging to Archive posted a link to a federal subpoena, which is dated October 30th. The subpoena, which was originally spotted by a German news site, is for a Canadian web registration company called Tucows, and demands that the company turn over “customer or subscriber name, address of service, and billing address” as well as an extensive list of other information related to the “customer behind archive.today.”
https://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-is-trying-to-unmask-the-registrar-behind-archive-today-2000682868

California police intervene as ICE agent in plain clothes points gun at woman=
The officer stopped when he saw a man exit one of the vehicles and point a firearm at the other driver, the agency said in a statement. He did not initially know the identity of the armed man, who was dressed in plain clothes and soon provided credentials showing he was an ICE agent.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/11/california-police-intervene-ice-agent

California Supreme Court strikes down warning on LAPD citizen complaint forms
The high court ruled 6-1 on Monday in favor of the city of Los Angeles and against the union that represents its police officers in finding that the admonishment describing penalties for filing false has the potential to deter “citizens from filing truthful (or at least not knowingly false) complaints of police misconduct”.
https://apnews.com/article/general-news-law-enforcement-california-los-angeles-courts-060a5d57d1aa8fb6fa79f3b8446382b6

Kansas county to pay more than $3m over police raiding local newspaper
A rural county in Kansas has agreed to pay out more than $3m and apologize over a raid by police on a small-town weekly newspaper in August 2023 that sparked a national outcry over press freedom, the paper’s editor said on Tuesday. Eric MeyePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

PFLP Makes Statement at the 34th Session of the Arab National Congress
We will not surrender. The struggle will continue until the liberation of Palestine, all of Palestine, the end of the zionist genocide regime, and the punishment of war criminals. The answer to brutality and genocide is not surrender, but more steadfastness and resistance. Despite the fires of genocide and the moaning of wounds, the message of Palestine remains present, from the Gaza of Dignity, West Bank, occupied interior, and Al-Quds, carrying the voice of our heroic prisoners, including the leader Comrade Ahmad Sa’adat, and the voice of the families of martyrs, the wounded, and the displaced, children and women, and those remaining steadfast in tents and shelters, or standing firm on the rubble of their homes. We meet at a pivotal historical moment when the attack on Palestine and the peoples of our nation intensifies, and our national responsibility to protect the nation’s identity and its liberation project grows, and we meet to renew the covenant on the will for struggle and resistance against the zionist enemy, which was, still is, and will remain an enemy of every Arab person, and against the war criminals and those who align with them.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/22535/

Cuba’s Role in Angola Changed the Course of African History
The end of Portuguese colonial rule in Angola fifty years ago was also the beginning of a Cuban military mission that had a major impact on the country’s history, beating back a South African invasion and denying Pretoria the opportunity to bring its local allies to power. It also left its mark on the region as a whole: Nelson Mandela credited the Cuban victory over the South African army in 1988 with hastening the fall of apartheid. When Cuba’s armed forces became openly involved in Angola in November 1975, there was a widespread assumption that Cuba was a Soviet “proxy.” Those who knew Cuba well argued that it was not that simple. They questioned whether it could really be described as a client state, and whether Moscow was really interested in becoming embroiled (indirectly) in the internal conflicts of Southern Africa. In due course, further research shifted attention away from an interpretation that owed much to the hegemonic Cold War perspective. It slowly became clear that CPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon



 

I'm a PhD candidate who actually understands Hegel and has a grasp the broad history/development of left wing thought from Rousseau to Zizek. I'm sick today and remembered this place existed. If you are trying to get a better handle on theory of any kind and have questions on how to go about understanding something, go ahead. I imagine this makes me sound like an ass, but I promise that I'm being totally sincere
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You get any recommendation about the mathy formal stuff or is that out of your scope? Have you ever encountered anyone who claims that Cantor's diagonal argument is bullshit; or more dramatic yet, that the very concept of infinity in math is bullshit?

>>2554599
Yeah ain't my field of philosophy. More of a question for >>2553176 (who I still need to give a real response to)
I also wonder what he thinks of pic related. Haven't read it yet myself (getting extremely mixed reviews–from high praise to total rejection).

>>2553354
>>2553418
>>2553340
I've been listening to that podcast, has helped me quite a bit to understand, even just to form a basic understanding. As an aside, have listened to the guys discuss Marxism a little bit as well and heard McGowan express an idea I found interesting but don't know enough about to form a proper opinion. Do you agree with him, or rather, is it common for Hegelians to agree, that Marxism represents a rightward political shift from German Idealism?

>>2557526
*Sorry, from the left-wing political principles derived from Hegel. I think McGowan says in an episode on Zizek that Marx, in asserting that capitalism is the final contradiction, to be solved by communism, is aligning more closely with right wing politics which wants to ignore contradiction, rather than what he feels the more left-wing project is, which is to acknowledge and work within contradiction.

>>2557526
i dont think so. he and zizek are (very)good for learning hegel or at least dialectics as a method of analysis but terrible at politics really uninformed and basically support populist liberalism. if its the case that as anon says that lacan and freud mirror hegel that doesn't mean psychology overcomes politics but they kinda imply that it does, that issues arent really about class rule but about personal resentment and you should instead accept your station and recognize that there will always be a lack and you dont want what you think you want etc which is very convenient for a comfortable academic to say

>>2557531
>in asserting that capitalism is the final contradiction
i dont think this is an accurate representation of marx either



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This is a real position I hold. This isn't ironic or parody. I'll even explain wtf a Floyd Dollar is.
I for one take great pleasure in knowing how uncertain people are about their livelihood with EBT cuts. Mind you I'm not conservative, I'm well aware it effects many people young and old, it effects whites and blacks, it effects many who can't find a job even if they wanted too, and at the end of the day it's like 600usd a month and very curated. The reason they spend it at Mcdonalds is because McDonald's has sub contracts with the government to accept EBT but fresh produce does not. Meanwhile they blame the idiot with only 600usd in his name monthly as if he has fuck all influence over the process. He's just here to not die.

But y'all should die. I hate you… However, should you be alive. You should be alive and accelerating me to my perfect vision of no moderators. Part of that is the very crude, very blunt, dark woke language of the Floyd Dollar. I want the first thing these rudimentary assclowns to think of when they think of welfare, is for some fent addicted black man whose just belligerent to every living thing, to be down at the gas station getting the most malign of items possible. Sheeeeiiitttt.

Floyd Dollars would not cover food. Steal food. You'll never steal enough to warrant a felony unless you're my fat boomer parents. It takes a thousand dollars in theft to be a felony. You are not stealing a thousand dollars worth a food. Even if you stole every day, it would only be applicable to that day because of double Jeopardy. Just steal food God damn.

No, Floyd Dollars provide the real essentials. Alcohol, tobacco, guns, and lottery tickets. Maybe drugs too but weed is cucked and I've never met a based pothead. Maybe like heroin. My previous ex was a coke head. She wasn't AS BAD as the potheads just an annoying self-deluded whore. I don't know, but what I do know is I wanted George Floyd to have a gun to fightback against the cop who kneed his neck. So the new snap should cover his self autonomy to defend himself, as well as his self autonomy to not need my program hence he can buy lottery, and self autonomy to want to be alive because life is depressing hence alcohol and tobacco.

Counterstrike Skins and crypto might also be applicable to the Floyd Dollars. It's the same logistical end as why they should be able to get free lottery tickets.

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Truthfully we should just have vans delivering a box of food to every household every week but we live in a world of cruelty and pain so we can't have anything good unless we take it.

>>2557377
Preferably train over van, maybe a trolley. Rubber wheels are for spontaneous stuff, not routes.



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What's the real story behind the Soviet deportations during WW2 because even MLs say that it was a bad thing but that feels like capitulation that Stalin is as bad as the Nazis as it was an ethnic cleansing from how it's described by western liberal historians
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>>2556209
no they also did kill people 1975-1979 democratic kampuchea period

>>2557380
Never happened.

>>2557413
prove it never happen.
there are at the very least records at https://archives.tuolsleng.gov.kh/persons of tuol sleng (security center 21 during the regime) detainees, it has been proved that most are kill (either by torture until death or executed later, as there was no gain in keeping them alive)

Those were bourgeois nations and their removal was necessary to make living space for proletarian people of Russia.




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What's the best way to convince anarchists that power and hierarchy aren't inherently bad?

Anarkids act like they understand theory and sociology better than Marxists do. They love getting on their moral high horse by calling everything "oppression". Yet when you actually pick apart their arguments you'll see that they're full of hot air 95% of the time. They talk a good deal about intersectionality and anti-oppression, but when pressed on how to abolish those oppressive structures in society they have no clue.

Marxism, OTOH, is scientific. We understand that political power is necessary to reshape society. We also understand that hierarchies need to exist until we reach the stage of communism, and even then you will still see things like hierarchies of intelligence, talent, beauty, strength, and so on that can't simply be abolished through idealist methods.

But how do you explain this without looking like you're making apologia for oppression? I've tried the Hegelian way of simply saying "the real is rational" but that doesn't get through anarkids' heads very well.
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>>2547368
He needs to find a magic way where communism means the total subjugation of proletarians and the extraction of surplus value through the political machinery of the state rather than letting go of the sort of sentimentalism that forces him to argue that the red on the flag equals the blood wrenched out of workers

Anarchism is childish

>>2547318
>revolutionary abolition of capitalism
i wonder what marx would think the material premise for such abolition might be and if that effects the analysis of backwards underdeveloped states in any way

>>2547384
>>2547315
that is essentially what a dtop under conditions of underdevelopment is. whether you call that communism in the sense of the real movement or not communism in the sense of not having achieved a particular state of affairs is kind of a subjective distinction. we wont know till the owl takes flight since communism isnt a theory divorced from reality but the result of practice

if you're ever at a point where you have to morally justifying something you're on the wrong track. If you want to properly critique then you have to rid your analysis of any arguments which appeal to morality/morals. That's why MLs are just as bad as anarchists at critique, they bothe engage in moral discussion.



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