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There is no single case of political leadership ever remaining stable under any centralized force no matter what country where talking. The most stable societies have always worked with the local leaders of various regions and had the majority of administrative and bureaucratic work delegated to small collaborative teams of men and women working together to build a stabler society. Is decentralized authority slow and often inefficient? Yeah. Is it stable and otherwise reliable on steady civilizational progress? Yes. With the era of communication, paper, and digital communication, it’s a better era than ever to decentralize authority. The world doesnt need and never needed autocrats, aristocracies, strongmen, dictators, or oligarchs. We need a society of people working and talking to each other consistently on what to do to make life easier for one another.
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>>2552864
What you're talking about exists even in centralized organizations. Never in any centralized command structure has/does/can the top leadership tell every lower body the minutia of every single task they need to carry out, and then monitor and enforce those tasks. What centralization is is a division of labor in a way that also fosters coordinated action. The leadership's job is twofold: determine the general strategy to follow, the immediate goals, and what sorts of methods to to follow to achieve the goals, and secondly to communicate this singular message to a variety of smaller bodies whose job it is to apply this unified message. They then need to use their brains too and figure out what that means in practice, for their specific conditions and means. They might all do things slightly differently, with different results, but the beauty of the system is that more or less everyone is moving in the same direction, towards the same goals. If more coordination is needed, it can be set up, either top-down or bottom-up. A tertiary role of leadership is to gather feedback and results from the lower bodies and assess if their directives have been successful or not and why, and then either change direction, or give more refined and granular direction, facilitate coordination, and so on. That's what good leadership does, at least.

>>2552927
>Have you read anything about how politically unstable and violent Chinese history is?
China was quite stable for most of its history, people just read about the civil wars and forget that major wars in China only happened every century or two on average, which is much better than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

Can someone explain to me like I'm retarded why anyone cares about debating these endless discussions on abstract ideas of control???? Like I literally could not give less of a shit about authority/liberty/freedom/power/centralisation/decentralisation/hirearchy/

It all just sounds like whishy washy glittering generality, platitudes, and rhetoric, like does any of this actually matter in material reality????????????????????????? or am I actually fully retarded.

>>2554116
simply put, without a grand narrative, you're fucked when it comes building a coherent movement since people need to believe in something, and marxist believe in reason so you have to constantly argue your positions, it has to do with the jewish and hegelian tradition (i am not making an accusation of any kind, just stating a fact)

Centralization and working with local leaders is not mutually exclusive.
See Cuba.



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Besides Cockshott and maybe Richard Wolff, are there any good, academic, Marxist economists who are worth reading and can be used in debates to defend Marxism?
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>>2537941
What if we replaced money with labor coupons? That would be 100% full communism LMAO

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>>2554071
I have no good evidence anybody in this thread has actually read Emmanuel's book. (Shitting on "Unequal Exchange Theory" is a /leftypol/ tradition, but usually the targeted authors have been other guys than Emmanuel.) And if one shills for a specific book, but somehow can't give a summary of said book, why should anybody take the recommendation from that person seriously? Since reading books takes time, being for or against reading a specific work is not a symmetric issue. The onus is on people shilling for it. Proper investigation in this context is asking the people claiming to have done the reading, and so far they have not cooperated in the investigation.


>>2554242
Did you post an embed? I'm on an adblocker, so I'm not seeing anything. Just post link.



 

Comrades! Let us look back on the lessons of the October Revolution on its anniversary!

Why is the October Revolution more important than other communist revolutions?
Because it is, next to the Paris Commune, the only communist revolution whose revolutionary subject was the industrial proletariat. This fact alone makes the October Revolution—its tactics, theory, and organization—more interesting and more important to us than any other. It was the first communist revolution led by the industrial proletariat that also held on to state power and defeated the bourgeois counterrevolution. It signaled that imperialism—the last stage of capitalism—was obsolete as a mode of production and ripe to be replaced by socialist organization.

Contrary to what both Soviet/socialist and American/bourgeois historians claim, the most important distinction between Leninism and what we may call German Social Democracy (the SPD)—that is, the Second International and official Marxism—is not that Leninism was a “deviation” based on Narodnik or Blanquist conspiratorial principles. These historians claim that Leninism insisted the revolution must be led by a professional, highly organized vanguard—that it meant conspiracy rather than open democratic struggle through parliamentary interpellation and mass agitation or propaganda via the large and complex press system perfected by the German SPD.

This claim arises from a one-sided, forced reading of one of Lenin’s writings, namely What Is to Be Done? It is wrongly treated as the (or even the) central Leninist “credo,” according to which the proletariat is supposedly incapable of leading the revolution or fulfilling the slogan “the emancipation of the working class must be the act of the working class itself.” Thus, Lenin is falsely accused of introducing the “professional revolutionary” who performs the socialist revolution on behalf of the working class.

Yet if we look at Lenin’s writings before WITBD, his constant reference point was the Erfurt Programme, the gold standard of Marxist strategy at the turn of the century. Lenin wanted the merger of the existing embryonic workers’ movement with Social Democracy—so that it might reach maturity as quickly and with as few birth pangs as possible. The SPD had a highly centralized apparatus that could rapidly publish agitation pamphlets, newspapers, or books exposing scandals from bourgeois political life and injustices from workers’ everyday conditionPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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https://www.businessinsider.com/older-american-workers-health-issues-challenges-disabilities-2025-11

Patricia Willson, 93, stares intently at her leg as her nurse unwraps layers of bandages, revealing a scar that, to Willson's elation, is nowhere near as gruesome as it had been months ago.

Hunched over from a fractured back, Willson scrolls through her phone to remind her nurse what the scar had looked like. Last December, she sliced her leg open on a box. A few months later, the three-inch gash got infected.

"It scared me so bad when my legs started hurting," Willson tells her nurse, as Business Insider visited her home in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, earlier this year.

"You're a medical masterpiece," her nurse says. "You've been through a lot. Did you mention how many times you've broken a bone?"

"Well, I've had 14 broken arms," Willson replies.

As she inches back to her desk once her leg is tended to, Willson stops to clear off a stack of papers. Nestled between bills and medical records on one side of the desk sits a stapled-together printout of 50 websites for finding freelance work. Tucked away on the other side is a slightly wrinkled cover letter she's been sending to companies.

"I really need a job," she says under her breath.
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Maybe suicide doesn't sound like such a bad idea now

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>>2553393
Old people in Russia also work, but for a different reason
Can you survive with 200 dollars per month?

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>>2553665
Honestly they need to go back into the trenches.
You live with elderly people? I do. I totally get why nurses abuse them.

Can't leave the news on or else they'll get rowdy, somehow you personally are to blame for their disposition towards orange man or whatever CNN is talking about but they never blame themselves participanting in systemic oppression with or without the process of voting. Like they wouldn't ever dream of just commiting fraud or stealing from a store, but they'll abuse their fucking kids for being in a bad mood. They're well trained goy, and they need to be shaken, beaten, and told to just lay in their bed corner and we ignore them as they end up shitting themselves and covered in roaches.

If you think that's cruel, you deal with them. Maybe after the sixteenth argument for no God damn reason, the seventeenth vague threat, the third crashout of theirs where they're throwing objects and grabbing you, and the 87th gaslight while everyone feels sorry for their growing dementia… you'll just admit we weren't mean enough to old people

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Why doesn't she just live off the spoils of imperialism in the third world? Is she stupid?

Jokes aside I've got plenty of older coworkers and my own parents are pretty sure they wont get opportunities to really retire. Shit's fucked.

whats wrong with it? Isnt Marxism all about raising productivity?



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Liberals don‘t understand the importance of revolution, the cost of revolution, how it is misguided to complain about what necessarily happens in revolutions and why reasoning must reject and move past that of the established status quo because liberals are not taught the importance of their own revolution. You may learn about the events that have happened, but you are not philosophically educated about revolutions in themselves and their necessity in moving past a system that is inherently bad and whose rulers and those privileged will fight tooth and nail to keep it, at the cost of everyone else living in misery.

I suggest that if you want to convert liberals to socialism then educate them about the liberal revolution. Make them grasp the necessity and good of a revolution regarding something they wouldn‘t possibly disagree with. Additionally, you could then translate this to our times and make analogies of the current ruling class acting like kings and everyone else having to live like a serf.
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>>2553647
>>2553417
A true revolution is an extreme intellectual, cultural and economic event, it usually features a lot of violence and horrors but also much fervor and happiness since the shackles of the oppressed are broken. So not incompatible, it's as dumb to think it will purely suck and be only horrific.

>>2553651
Of course, I'm not saying there'll be no jubilation. It's just a dumb comic trying to create a strawman of people only seeing this extremely multifaceted event from one angle, even though irl the vast majority of leftist don't do that

stop the larp


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Israel carries out wave of airstrikes on southern Lebanon
Israeli warplanes struck the towns of Kfar Dounine, Tayr Debba and Zawtar al-Sharqiya on Thursday, about an hour after issuing evacuation warnings to residents. No deaths had been reported at the time of publishing. The attacks came despite a ceasefire deal signed between Hezbollah and Israel nearly a year ago that ended 13 months of fighting.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/06/israel-carries-out-wave-of-airstrikes-on-southern-lebanon

Mediators propose deal to get Hamas fighters out of Gaza's Israeli zone, sources say
Egyptian mediators have proposed that, in exchange for safe passage, fighters still in Rafah surrender their arms to Egypt and give details of tunnels there so they can be destroyed, one of the sources, an Egyptian security official, said. Israel and Hamas have yet to publicly accept mediators' proposals, the two sources said. A third confirmed that talks on the issue were underway.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mediators-propose-deal-get-hamas-fighters-out-gazas-israeli-zone-sources-say-2025-11-06/

RSF paramilitaries agree to truce proposal in Sudan
Sudan's paramilitary Rapid Support Forces, at war with the regular army for more than two years, announced on Thursday, November 6, that they had agreed to a proposal for a humanitarian truce put forward by mediators. The announcement follows the paramilitaries' capture of the major city of El-Fasher, which dislodged the army from its last stronghold in the vast western Darfur region. They have since been accused of mass killings, looting and sexual violence there, and have in recent days appeared to turn their focus to the neighboring Kordofan region, where fierce battles are underway.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/06/rsf-paramilitaries-agree-to-truce-proposal-in-sudan_6747197_4.htPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

US supreme court issues emergency order blocking full Snap food aid payments
The high court’s order came after the Trump administration asked a federal appeals court on Friday to block a judge’s order that it distribute November’s full monthly food stamp benefits amid a US federal government shutdown. After that request to block was denied, the Trump administration turned to the supreme court in a further attempt to block the order to fully fund Snap food aid payments.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/07/white-house-snap-november-court-order

Supreme Court allows Trump to end passport gender marker policy
The 6-3 decision by the court's conservative majority overrides two lower court decisions and the claims of transgender Americans that the policy change is illegal, discriminatory and exposes them to real-world harms, particularly while traveling.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-allows-trump-end-33-year-passport/story?id=127273370

== Cornell Becomes Latest University to Submit to Trump’s ‘Extortion’ Over Student Protests =
Cornell University became the latest school to cave to demands from the Trump administration on Friday, inking a deal that would restore $250 million in unpaid research funds stripped by the federal government as part of its crusade against higher education and efforts to punish schools that allowed students to freely express pro-Palestine views.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/cornell-trump-extortion

Federal judge permanently blocks Trump from deploying National Guard to Portland
“Since that brief span of a few days in June, the protests outside the Portland ICE facility have been predominately peaceful, with only isolated and sporadic instances of relatively low-level violence, largely between protesters and counter-protesters,” the judge wrote in her 106-page order, “this Court concludes that even giving great deference to the President’s determination, the President did not have a lawful basis tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

Inside ICE’s Plans For A Bounty Hunter Army
In February, at the start of the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown, news broke that a group of military contractors was circulating a blueprint for mass deportations, to be carried out by private contractors. Led by Erik Prince, Trump ally and founder of the notorious mercenary firm Blackwater, the group proposed (among other ideas) that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) create a “skip tracing team” that would send out private contractors to hunt down immigrants targeted for deportation, per reporting at the time by Politico. Now, there are indications ICE is carrying out those plans. Last month, The Lever revealed that ICE had signed a $7 million contract with defense contractor SOS International for “skip tracing services.” SOS International, also known as SOSi, has long done business with the federal government, including working with the U.S. military in Afghanistan — and has business ties to one of the military contractors whose name was listed alongside Prince’s in the proposal. It was the first time, per online federal procurement databases, that an ICE contract description contained the phrase “skip tracing,” a term usually associated with debt collection and bounty hunting. There was little further detail about the services SOSi would provide to Trump’s immigration enforcers. The contract — with its eerie callback to the Prince deportation blueprint — appears not to be a fluke. Several days later, ICE signed another “skip tracing” contract, this time worth up to $33.5 million, with international debt collector Global Recovery Group LLC.
https://www.levernews.com/inside-ices-plans-for-a-bounty-hunter-army/

Trump and the War in Ukraine: A Volatile Balancing Act Between Moscow, Kyiv, and Brussels
In just one week, the U.S. president threatened Putin by announcing the possible delivery of Tomahawk long-range missiles to Ukraine if he continued the war. A few days later, he spoke with him at length by telephone, just before a tense meeting with Zelensky at the White House. After this meeting, Trump announced that he would ultimately not send the Tomahawks to Ukraine in order to avoid an escalation with Russia, and immediately announced a meeting with Putin in Budapest. Five days later, the U.S. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

So how does the AI boom end? Will they fire everyone, or will it blow up before it gets to that point? The rate of profit should be falling because the more unemployment the less spending, but in today's ultrafinancialized world spending by the rich is actually up while everyone else's is down. The bourgeois have access to direct financing from the banks and central banks and they use it to buy up more and more hard resources and land and then use that to borrow even more, inflating the value of everything for everyone except themselves. And because the masses are jacked into playing their dumbass numbers game they are just becoming impoverished while sitting on their hands and coping that everything business as usual. Will there be a breaking point?
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>>2551840
>Will they fire everyone, or will it blow up before it gets to that point?
no reason why both cant happen simultaneously, investors keep rewarding layoffs because it looks like they're optimizing for AI, but it's also masking the insane contraction the US is going through, the bubble collapsing wont create jobs from thin air, so layoffs will continue indefinitely.

>>2551882
yeah they're trying to get the government on the hook for depreciating GPUs lol, what's worse is that I think trump will literally buy sam altman's garbage anyway

>>2552929
i wonder if the trump admin has a choice, like within the bounds of what they believe or understand about economics what else can they do

>>2552933
i have no idea, because trump went hard on AI literally day two of his mandate, but he has failed to materialize the actual money for shit like stargate, so an alternative that could very well happen is that trump will promise to build this "compute reserve" and do nothing at all.

>>2552854
AI is constant capital, and believe it or not, it isn't all generative AI shit with no market. a lot of it really is being used to automate office jobs.

t. in an engineering firm where there were a bunch of layoffs of people who used to do emails and spreadsheets all day, now work on a dev team.



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Sliwa would make a much better mayor than Mamdani. What's going to happen is Mamdani is going to win, and then he'll either become another AOC/Bernie and sell out his base, or he'll just be an incompetent fuckup nepo baby. Either way NYC isn't going to change much. Sliwa has more of a connection to actual working class New Yorkers and knows how to play the game. He was shot by the mob and lived to tell the tale.
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>>2553329
You know it's true, cope and seethe faggot. You get banned on this site for saying "ZOG" and you know it.

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>>2553352
Yeah it's funny that you literally can not refute a single thing I said. Go run to the mods, little cuck

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Historically speaking, how has the west been so good at dividing and conquering?
>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty

because when they're not good at it, they just bomb and kill anyway

كسمك يا ابن القحبة
كسم عبد الناصر
كسم العروبة
معاريص العرب خسروا كل حروبهم
العرب نكحوا رب فلسطين والسوريا والعراق ولييا والسودان
لوووووول
عاشت الثورة العمالية
كسم العروبة

Britain invented pan arabism in the early 20th century btw

>>2551572
Cope, reactionary

Those places were already tribal/clan based societies. It was easy mode.



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Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
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>>2497288
>Yesterday in Belgrade

There was an incident in the "Cacilend" encampment today, there was a fire and also somebody got shot in the leg. The attacker was some 70 year old ex-State Security guy and his motives are unknown. It's unclear why the fire happened but people are speculating that he somehow set fire to the gas heaters they have in the tents.

For a while now SNS has been trying to spread a conspiracy theory that the canopy collapse was actually a terrorist attack by the opposition. It started several months ago when they platformed the estranged father of one of the canopy collapse victims at one of their big events, where he made the claim that it was a terrorist attack. Lately they have been trying to push that more, and Vucic played on TV a video of opposition politician Misa Baculov walking next to the train station looking at his phone the morning before the collapse. They have been making allegations of the opposition planting "microexplosives" on the canopy and on that on the video Baculov used a "special app which functions as a detonator" on his phone.

Today, they've been claiming that this incident was caused by the "blockaders" and Vucic called it a terrorist attack. SNS affiliated media has also been posting articles about how Baculov was seen walking towards Cacilend during the incident.

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Bummmmp

There was a big (peaceful) protest on the anniversary of the canopy collapse and there was generally a bit of revival of various activities in the protest movement around it. On the day of the anniversary, Dijana Hrka who is the mother of one of the canopy collapse victims announced that she would hold a hunger strike in front of the parliament (which also means it's in front of the Cacilend encampment) and that has been the focus lately. As a response, SNS has organized "parties" in Cacilend which were pretty obviously attempts to harass her, especially playing loud music and especially a song by Baja Mali Knindza whose title is something like "The mother came to look for her son" when translated. Also, there has been a pretty much all the time a mass of people who have come to support/guard her.
There was a potentially dangerous situation tonight because she gave the Cacilend people an ultimatum to stop playing music tonight or else she would call on people to forcefully enter Cacilend (Cacilend is surrounded by a fence) which would have very likely resulted in violent conflict. That would be pretty much the closest thing to an open to call of violence from the anti-SNS side of the protests since the beginning. I think the only other thing which could be a interpreted as a call of violence was the "you have the green light" thing for the Vidovdan protest.
Also, I think that it's pretty problematic that a single person (who is obviously not in the best state of mind) suddenly holds so much sway with the protests.



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