/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2430182
anon all of these countries suck except for china, this makes me not want to be a far-leftoid

>>2430363
I never got that Marx quote because he and Engels had a ton of "ideals" they predicted socialism would have, like abolishing the antagonism between town and country, or Marx's view of labor vouchers and taking from the social stock the equivalent of what you put in. Maybe they'd say they scientifically deduced it from studying capitalism but that's pretty weasely.

>>2430214
No true Scotsman is not a fallacy, its pure analysis. You are not the true socialist, no true socialist ever complains about no true socialism.

>Nicaragua is D tier because they have not done much or developed anything
Wow how surprising for christian nationalists!

>>2437046
I wonder why Cuba developed stuff then? Oh that's right, they mooched off of the USSR just like their cousins and only adopted ML to have a shitty national liberation.
>>2430225
>They're just transphobic.
Yea that peculiar issue is important whereas participating in a global economic system of intentionally created crime revolving around repressing drug users other than users of tobacco, alcohol and caffeine for their drug of choice is not enough for you to note. I wonder if them being massive religious retards has something to do with it?

Cosa dovrei sapere dei "boat people" in fuga dal Vietnam dopo la guerra e l'unificazione. Liberalpedia si limita a usare la R-parola e basta:
>Il termine è entrato nell'uso comune nel 1976, dopo l'invasione del Vietnam del Sud da parte del regime comunista del Vietnam del Nord, all'epoca della nazionalizzazione delle imprese e della collettivizzazione delle terre. Parecchie decine di migliaia di persone, perseguitate in quanto considerate non sufficientemente aderenti al nuovo sistema, decisero quindi di fuggire in tal modo via mare.

>>2423489
>invasione
E già questo basta a screditare completamente quella fogna di articolo su wikipedo. Al massimo, va usata come una specie di motore di ricerca in forma di articolo, esercitando sempre un forte scetticismo. Per giunta, molti articoli sono delle pessime traduzioni di originali in inglese, e spesso anche gli originali sono dei guazzabugli, se non dal punto di vista linguistico, quantomeno su quello della credibilità dei contenuti.
Ti faccio un esempio. Qualche settimana fa stavo cercando informazioni sull'operazione "Stella Blu", l'assalto dato dall'esercito indiano a uno dei templi più sacri dei Sikh negli anni ottanta, dove si erano asserragliati i seguaci di un guru separatista. Tempo dopo Indira Gandhi sarebbe stata assassinata da una sua guardia del corpo come rappresaglia per questi fatti. Si tratta di eventi di portata enorme. L'assalto al tempio fu un bagno di sangue e fu visto da chi lo subì come una profanazione. Ma le fonti occidentali sono scarsissime. In pratica, tutto quell'articolo è basato su due fonti, completamente digiune di storia e politica dell'India, ma assolutamente certe nell'attribuire tutto il casino al KGB sulla base del famigerato "archivio Mitrokhin"…
Detto questo, non sono un esperto sulla questione "boat people", ma mi sembra che dagli anni novanta in poi, non solo il fenomeno sia praticamente sparito, ma molti profughi sono pure tornati in Vietnam col miglioramento dell'economia. Molti non erano rifugiati politici, scappavano principalmente per motivi economici. Ma si rendono conto quei coglioni che hanno scritto quella morchia che il Vietnam era devastato da decenni e decenni di guerra a quel punto? No, muh nazionalizzazioni… Che poi, a quanto mi risulta, in campo agricolo non furono affatto così drastiche.

Oggi è l'ottantesimo anniversario della seconda bomba atomica. Tre giorni fa lo era della prima. Pensiamo bene a una cosa: si può tranquillamente dire che questi fatti non sono mai successi e non si rischierebbe niente. Eppure siamo cresciuti tutti con opere giapponesi che spesso e volentieri mostrano un'esplosione a forma di fungo o addirittura sono ambientate in una landa desolata dopo un'apocalisse nucleare.
E invece, se oggi, con quello che vediamo in diretta, usiamo la parola con la g per definire quello che sta succedendo, qualche zelante procuratore potrebbe volerci sbattere in galera perché quest'uso del termine sarebbe una "negazione" di qualcosa stabilito dalla legge. Ma invece si possono negare il bombardamento di San Lorenzo, le "marocchinate" ordite dai francesi in Ciociaria e una marea di altre merdate. Andando ancora più indietro, si possono negare la Libia e l'Etiopia, si possono negare i cornuti e venduti che votarono i crediti di guerra nel 1915, si possono negare Bava Beccaris e una miriade di altri stragisti che abbattevano gli scioperanti a cannonate nelle piazze. E non si rischierebbe niente.

>La tradizione di tutte le generazioni passate pesa come una montagna sul cervello dei vivi.

1. Ogni rimasuglio di tradizione Togliattiana, Berlingueriana e PCI-ista in generale rappresenta un ostacolo alla possibilità di sviluppo di un autentico movimento socialista in Italia non minore rispetto alle forze scopertamente reazionarie e di destra. Prima ci rendiamo conto davvero di questo, prima sarà possibile agire in modo utile e costruttivo.

2. Ogni rimando a Santa Costituzione è falso e ipocrita. Nel regime attuale, i regolamenti e le direttive dell'UE hanno piena supremazia su qualsiasi altro atto di legge dei paesi membri. Alcuni paesi - Cipro e Irlanda, di sicuro - hanno addirittura modificato le proprie costituzioni nazionali per affermare che, se anche le loro Corti Supreme appurassero che un atto dell'UE fosse anticostituzionale per un qualsiasi motivo, questi atti sarebbero comunque pienamente validi e applicabili, mentre se fossero atti presi dalle istituzioni del paese in questione, allora sì, sarebbero cassabili! Non è ancora ufficialmente il caso in Italia, ma l'andazzo è quello, con una giudice della corte costituzionale che ha detto esplicitamente che il diritto europeo ha la supremazia su quello interno.

3. La Costituzione stessa presenta un paradosso quando un referendum per una qualsiasi modifica costituzionale non prevede alcun quorum - dunque se, per assurdo, andassi a votare solo tu in tutta Italia, il tuo voto deciderebbe l'approvazione o la bocciatura col 100% dei voti di una riforma costituzionale anche molto profonda e sarebbe perfettamente valido e vincolante - mentre per abolire una semplice legge ordinaria è imposto un quorum del 50% più uno di tutti gli elettori italiani, pena la nullità del referendum. Peggio ancora dopo la riforma del titolo quinto sulle amministrazioni locali, che ha addirittura imposto un 50% più uno di tutti gli elettori favorevoli per approvare fusioni fra comuni, passaggi di comuni da una provincia o una regione all'altra e cose simili. Insomma, si tutelano baracconi spesso ormai deserti e fantasma con quorum praticamente irraggiungibili, si rende estremamente difficile rimediare a leggi pessime per via popolare, ma poi Santa Costituzione potrebbe benissimo essere stravolta da una semplice maggioranza parlamentare che agisca rapidamente e poi confidi su un consenso ancora forte e un'opposizione debole e incocludente. Meno male che nell'assemblea coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

PIPPO BAUDO
1936 - 2025
THE END OF AN ERA

>Pippo, qualcuno ha detto che fai un programma nazionale e popolare…
>E allora vorrà dire che dalla prossima puntata farò un programma regionale e impopolare!

E così se ne va l'ultimo simbolo di un'epoca già conclusa da molto, piena sicuramente di storture e di contraddizioni, di sporcizie e di meschinità, eppure dorata e splendente se confrontata alla landa desolata e apocalittica in cui dobbiamo sopravvivere oggi.

>>2434222
Still not a standpoint, just the same memes as always, off yourself cuck

It wasn't even state capitalist. It had a gazillion small farm holdings.

>>2374524

The German Ideology:

"And, on the other hand, this development of productive forces (which itself implies the actual empirical existence of men in their world-historical, instead of local, being) is an absolutely necessary practical premise because without it want is merely made general, and with destitution the struggle for necessities and all the old filthy business would necessarily be reproduced; and furthermore, because only with this universal development of productive forces is a universal intercourse between men established, which produces in all nations simultaneously the phenomenon of the “propertyless” mass (universal competition), makes each nation dependent on the revolutions of the others, and finally has put world-historical, empirically universal individuals in place of local ones. Without this, (1) communism could only exist as a local event; (2) the forces of intercourse themselves could not have developed as universal, hence intolerable powers: they would have remained home-bred conditions surrounded by superstition; and (3) each extension of intercourse would abolish local communism. Empirically, communism is only possible as the act of the dominant peoples “all at once” and simultaneously, which presupposes the universal development of productive forces and the world intercourse bound up with communism."

"Moreover, the mass of propertyless workers – the utterly
precarious position of labour – power on a mass scale cut off from capital or from even a limited satisfaction and, therefore, no longer merely temporarily deprived of work itself as a secure source of life– presupposes the world market through competition. The proletariat can thus only exist
world-historically, just as communism, its activity, can only have a "world-historical" existence. World-historical existence of individuals means existence of individuals which is directly linked up with
world history."

Or the more concise Principles of Communism:

"Q: Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone?"

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>>2374426
Socialist until 1920, State Capitalist for most of the 20s, and then socialist until 1953, then bourgeois socialist after 1953.

>>2374426
>was the USSR State Capitalist
all capitalism is "state capitalism" in practice

>Socialist
meaningless

>a new Bourgeoise
? they were bourgeois as in had a stake in maintaining capitalism

>>2437654
>UNREGULATED
wait which country are we talking about?

>>2435367
>how do anti-CPC shills genuinely respond to this?
To some low-effort memes? Golly gee how will anti-revisionism ever recover?
>they keep yapping about how china has deviated from marxism without providing a shred of evidence
There's decades of polemics and volumes of literature on this subject. If you don't consider the evidence presented to be convincing, that's you're prerogative, but all you accomplish by saying that none has been provided is telling the world that you don't read.
>everything that marx wrote just reinforces the positions of the CPC
If you asked Kautsky, everything Marx wrote agrees with the Second International's economism, reformism, vulgar "materialism", and capitulation to imperialism. Posting dogmato-revisionist low-effort regurgitations of Marx quotes out of context (the first quote is particularly egregious in this way), a product of many people's inability to actually grasp the essence of what Marx said and instead treating his work as holy texts, does nothing to prove that the CPC's line is genuinely Marxist.

>>2436321
Both arabs and jews are trying to ruin the west

>>2446122
It's obviously that Marx was an arab,arabs are destroying the west using altruism and jews using egoism.

>>2436620
Didn't you hear the news? China is winning because it's the largest Christian nation in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WA64ecsgM&ab_channel=InsideChinaBusiness

>>2432471
>yes by baiting the other side to then act as even bigger deranged retards that paint over flags,for months now they have been trying to launch that line and now they got it.It may not work on you or me but there is a whole world out there that it will work on a pretty well.
Unless they only get their news from SNS-approved sources, then everyone will see the SNSer being retarded before they see the flag being painted over, if they even see that.

>when you decide to go down the road of elections you become a slave to the rating.
You're retarded if you don't think Nedic is hated by the average Serb.
>To win as DOS 2 we need to score a majority victory not a thin margin but a definite victory and the voter base for such a victory is 70% rw
What's wrong with having a thin margin of victory? DOS' margin was thinner than what the polls say for the student list.
>so not only do we need guys like lompar we need to find 20 more lompar/kostunica types.
Is Lompar like Kostunica or Draskovic? Draskovic didn't have to be in DOS for DOS to win and DOS had more than 8 times the votes.

>because we chose to go on elections and i dont know if you know this the absolute majority of serbs are variations of rw that get agitated super easy with propaganda.
The 2023 election results don't say that.

They say "ACAB" and "the only good cop is a dead cop", then they proceed to tell others not to use molotovs and that "we should be taking inspiration from Ukraine"
What the fuck is the point. It's either UNLIMITED COP GENOCIDE or nothing. Literally nothing has fundamentally changed in Ukraine, cops continue to terrorize there. Cops are kidnapping Ukrainian men against their will and sending them to the front.

WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN THAT THE POLICE INSTITUTION ONLY EXISTS FOR TERROR

>>2434501
Strangely despite the tendency of protestors to avoid Molotov cocktails unless things are truly excessive like the crackdown on the Black Lives Matter movement; because normal people really do not like the idea of throwing fire on other people in real life and find it horrific, even if they think it's cool in call of duty

There were so many Molotov cocktails in the 2014 Washington coup in Kiev it wasn't funny, same thing with Hong Kong lots and lots of Molotov cocktails, entire factories built by teenagers

I wonder why Washington thinks Molotov cocktails are so useful for protests in other people's countries 🤔

where is my riot porn leftypol sisters

>>2436492
Serbian feds got them all bro

>>2397684
Huh, how odd.. They open an investigation into potential war crimes, which it sounds like Canada has done for almost every other conflict their citizens have volunteered in, and they immediately assume they'd be targeted.

if the revolution happens, gunning down fifth columnists will be an endless task.

The Air Canada strike is lmao

>>2436136
That's partly it, as is the fact UK industry is mostly parasitism, but a competent right wing government would at least set the bourgeoisie against the pensioners. It's absolutely an institutional failure of our politics that our income tax system is such a mess. Ditch the cut-out tax dodges and cut the rates and even capitalists gain.

>>2436003
>I don't put too much weight on the importance of nationalisation to social democracy as such. In any case, what's more interesting is that his motivation was focused on national efficiency rather than on anti-capitalism. (Hence why Steel, for example, was bought at a very generous price. The idea wasn't "the workers will finally own the steel industry, fuck those capitalist blood-suckers!" it was "You're shit capitalists, you're running this industry into the ground, government managers will do better. Here's more money than you deserve: go play in the traffic")
Tbf this is the ideolgoical basis of Fabianism; that capitalism is evil because it is inefficient, and such inefficiency causes poverty, which is morally evil. Ergo capitalism is morally evil and must be replaced with state socialism.

Isn't it interesting that as soon as the thread hits the bump limit the resident retard, whom the jannies seem to tolerate, is nowhere to be seen.

>>2436922
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>>2417627
Despite me hating Boomers, 16/17yrs shouldn't be able to vote, tho I also believe that if your 80 or over you should have your voting rights stripped or given to a family member who will vote on your behaf

NO EXCUSE FOR THE TERROR i laugh ha ha!

Man, imagine if present day Russia started paying reparations for peasants killed in riots against Tsarist regime

>>2434950
>Communists killed my grandfather in prison and basically ruined my grandmother, father and aunt's lives because there was nobody left to support them so they were left struggling and homeless and had to rely on relatives to survive
based

I just wanted to remind you all that this did actually happen, I did not make it up to bait.

>>2447215
>I just wanted to remind you all that this did actually happen
We don't care. Fuck your bourgeois grandpa

>>2168085
>Explain how this is a bad thing
Contrapoints liberals:
<"Hamas doesn't actually care about Palestinians"
same smug gamerchair socialism who believes that their pretentious pseud lecturing makes them somehow "more ideologically nuanced" than the actual proletariat
>>2168357
>thinks the president has magic powers that give them direct and complete control over the price of gas and food
AOC: "you are childish and unnuanced to believe Democrats could simply pick up a phone and tell Israel to stop the genocide"

>>2194114
>Mao wasn't half-read
how did he read Marx if it was untranslated at the time?

>>2422283
>it
what is "it". some of Marx was translated "at the time" and some of it was translated later

>>2418705
>What did that look like?
Like this
>Mr. Kosecki, whose affiliation was not given, said that the quarterly's sponsors favored a moral, Polish upbringing of the children and that the periodical included a department devoted to the Masons and the World Jewish politicos. Union Adviser Is Assailed
>He quoted a long excerpt from Samoobrona that a casual listener could take for his own views and those of the official radio. It said: The Jewish chauvinism controls 80 percent of the Western industry and finances; it dominates in propaganda, science and culture; it steers the so-called public opinion. That is why the Western governments represent the interests of the Jews and the Masons. The Soviet camp is a barrier for the Jewish chauvinism and for its plans to conquer the world.
>Mr. Kosecki concluded with a further quotation from the magazine. It said promoting hatred of the Soviet Union served the interests of ''Germans who want to annex our western territories and the international of the Jewish chauvinists who are interested in a takeover of power in the Eastern bloc

>>2333898
Worked out well did it?

>>2431889
When you have people whose only goal was to rule totalitarian nationalist Poland. They won't care if it's red, brown or white. Bolesław Piasecki joined communists to take over the newly formed regime from the inside and he almost succeeded(he even became one of the members of the Council of State, which is quite a lot for a former Fascists).