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Totalitarian motives of soviet architecture and urban planning are always overlooked by leftists:
>wide streets and walkways served to reduce the individual, make one feel small and futile against the state (very evident in cities like Minsk),
>walkable cities, although a good thing, paired with very restricted access to cars were also an instrument to reduce citizens' mobility,
>cinemas were a necessity because of state-controlled film's role in propaganda.
These double-purposes are prominent throughout soviet planning policy, including the GULAGs. The ussr also had some classist housing - certain buildings and blocks were given to the nomenclature and intelligentsia, such as the prized Houses of Science and Culture, as well as many other soviet buildings surrounding city centres. Speaking of preservation, a couple of years ago a top floor balcony collapsed off of one of the residental buildings in my town, smashing other balconies in it's path. Many soviet buildings, especially from the late 70s and throughout the 80s are simply too expensive to rennovate as they are rapidly deteriorating due to various corners being cut in materials and construction.
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>>2526398
>ummm yeah, they built affordable housing for millions of people but have you considered that big buildings make me feel BAD??!!?
>checkmate communists

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>>2526398
this is libtard anarkiddie propaganda

The first part made me think this is bait but the second part makes me think you might be actually stupid.
Can you clarify?

>>2526398
>wide streets and walkways served to reduce the individual, make one feel small and futile against the state (very evident in cities like Minsk),
narrow streets are an absolute pain to navigate on foot. feel free to come to old districts of petrograd and experience the joys of monarchoid city planning bumping into people since it's too narrow for two to fit on the sidewalk



 

Question for “Christian anarchists”:

Why do you deny Jesus came to earth to establish a government? Why do you act as if religion wasn’t fully intertwined with the state and all religious institutions were de facto government institutions, and that the Church in which Jesus established was meant to be a government?

If not, what did Jesus leave behind? A Bible that wasn’t fully compiled and finalized until centuries after His death by… the Catholic/Orthodox Church?

And yes, the Church is both a spiritual AND earthly authority, so please don’t come at me with the “Jesus was only against earthly hierarchies not spiritual ones” cope.
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>>2527476
No one is genuinely religious in the 21st century outside of schizophrenics, it’s all just culture and the social contract

>>2527476
>You literally need to believe in God and the divinity of Jesus in order to be a Christian.

No, you don't. You can define it however you see fit, that's the whole secret to religion is everyone really just makes it up themselves. Ask a thousand people what being a Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/etc. means to them personally and you will get a thousand different answers.

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>>2526601
bruh, I can't. Sorry for shitposting.

REAL ASS TAKE OF THE WEEK

religion can be interpreted in any way because it's all bullshit anyway, so there is no need to fight christian anarchists or christian socialists, whatever reason you have to be a radical left winger is cool and helps.




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What's their fucking problem? Their membership ranges from genuine MLs all the way to reactionary rejects. Do they think the way to build communism is to adopt all the worst and most aggravating positions held by the now defunct black hammer?
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>>2521682
>It's the weird religious fundamentalists, from Muslims to tradcaths. ACP needs to kick them out asap if they want to be taken seriously at all.
but chairman haz is religious

>>2521696
>mentally ill blue haired baristas
ok lol

>>2521682
>i know they have red fascists and clerical fascists in their ranks, but they are objectively superior to other "communist parties"
holy brainrotted

>>2520924
>smartest leninist.
<The form of capitalist society in which the bourgeoisie rules by open, terroristic violence against the people, as opposed to bourgeois democracy. As an extreme form of bourgeois nationalist rule, fascism often also includes rabid forms of racism, often to the point of genocide. The most vicious and notorious example was Nazi Germany (1933-1945).
All capitalist countries have at least some elements of fascism, to one degree or another, and to the extent that the bourgeoisie thinks these elements are “necessary” in order to maintain their rule. Nevertheless, we call those countries which allow relatively more freedoms of speech, of the press, of association, and allow at least some mass protest bourgeois democracies, while those countries which have few if any such freedoms we call fascist.
https://massline.org/Dictionary/FA.htm

“Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital.” —Statement of the Enlarged Executive of the Communist International, Moscow, 1933.

Fascism is imperialism in it's most reactionary form.
All imperialist societies contain elements of fascis

>>2521696
>The only non-ACP communists I've seen in my city have been mentally ill blue haired baristas wearing Marx shirts and Trotoids selling newspapers
<Muh baristas
Of the few communists I've ever encountered, zero were baristas, and it wouldn't even matter if they were. And I doubt you go outside at all, because how in the hell would you even determine this? This just sounds like the bitter imaginings of an anti-social youth who lives in a world of hypothetical interactions, who spends every moment rationalizing his assumptions on life to himself.
>Meanwhile ACP are on the streets working with the people that's how I know about them
I've never seen this. I'm a tradesman.



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>Dictatorship of the Spectacle Edition
ZA HASANU, ZA BURGURU
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>>2527553
no, they have lower rates because they're in less developed societies

>>2527598
by your own logic you're wrong, you've only done the "legal" stuff, and you've yet to do the "illegal" stuff, you're a poser who just wants to feel good while you jerk off to the idea of your imagined enemies being killed while doing nothing than imagining yourself as the next lenin, get in line pal, you're nothing special

>>2527634
I’m a USSR defender but they failed, they couldn’t over come U.S. hegemony. You can cry unfair all you want but nobody said the bourgeoisie would play fair. So the only conclusion is that either Marxism-Leninisim is a dead end that can only achieve rapid industrialization and national liberation (Worthwhile goals and extremely impressive results imo) acting as a shortcut for semi-feudal societies to leap frog and create the conditions for a bourgeois class to emerge. Or the U.S just makes communism impossible so only revolution here will achieve communism, and any attempts by the periphery are pointless.

>>2527651
yeah you're right, China's doing it, but its just the nature of the state to never be fully be 100% ideologically captured by a political party at any one time, even a one party state

>>2527624
it was still quite enough a difference to matter though.



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Anti-imperialism has been shoehorned into leftist discourse just like useless idpol (not talking about the existence of gays) was in the 2010s. The great difficulty of developing class conciousness in service-economy liberal states is made even more complicated by rethoric pushed by feds that the workers in these states can't be socialist. This is used inside this states to prevent organization and outside these states to promote petite-nationalism.
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>>2527713
So what you’re saying is service workers are a reactionary sector

>>2527806
Ehh, in reality I’d say it’s more like we’re unable to flex power. If guys at a steel mill go on strike, then steel just isn’t made. If service workers go on strike, then in theory goods can’t be distributed but in reality there’s such a large pool of surplus labor and the nature of the services are fairly decentralized that capitalists can work around it. Not helping things is how they practice scorched earth: you got a store that goes on strike like WalMart or Target? They’ll shut it down and tell the workers they can either quit or work in the WalMart the next town over.

Service workers do play a role in shortening the circuit of, I think it’s M - C - M? Tired so I can’t quite remember, but there’s a world of difference between commodities taking longer to become profitable and commodities just not being made.

>>2527806
>So what you’re saying is service workers are a reactionary sector
maybe. you would have to conduct an analysis to be sure. i would say it depends. you will probably get different results depending on the country and how that role is reproduced. retail cashiers, tech support, and banking are all "services". "services workers" and "service-economy liberal states" are very different things

i am implying that labor aristocrats are reactionary though, while not making a claim about whether "services workers" or "service-economy liberal states" qualify. for that you would again have to look at the data. a reactionary state doesn't even mean that the workers in it are reactionary, you would have to prove that they materially benefit and that their consciousness is generally aligned that way

a hedge fund manager in an imperialist country that votes for war is obviously different than a clerk at a gas station in a dependent county who is a member of a communist party

The lack of class consciousness has got nothing to do with whether the economy is a service economy or a manufacturing economy, it's just the result of propaganda and class warfare. Americans used to be much more class conscious and used to form labor unions and things like that but starting in the 1920s the government colluded with the private sector to smash the labor movement and eradicate class consciousness and socialist ideas from American thought forever.



 

Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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MASS SHOOTING AT MORMON CHURCH.

What's stopping you from starting up a Food Not Bombs in SLC, OP?

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>>2493443
The fact this even has to be discussed shows how little American (Protestant) Christians understand about the history of the Church and the Church fathers.

A real shame the Didache wasn't added to the end of the Bible because that would have resolved a lot of this crap. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the original Church. Everything else is heresy with the Mormons and JWs being the worst offenders.

Mormons aren’t even close to being the worst right-wing Christians. At least Mormons understand what it means to be compassionate. Evangelicals in the Bible Belt are you real enemies, not Mormons.

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What do you think about Azerbaijan,the president Ilham Aliyev,its geopolitics and future?
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Stolen Armenian land, all of it

Rogue Soviet Republic that will be the next special military operation at the rate Aliyev is going to antagonize Russia

Bump


it should be reconquered by iran



 

I'd rather see Haz sperg out because at least he's right, or just not this wrong. I hate the moralism of this, because these spergs act so smug but are so wrong on very basic questions. When tankies are wrong it's stupid and funny, they don't necessarily think they're superior, but when the libleft is wrong they're smug assholes about it. People in the third world can't just set up some anarchist free love commune, they actually have to chose something.
The thing these people can't understand and their fundamental philosophical defect is that when Mao said all political power grows from the barrel of a gun, he didn't mean it in just a literal sense, but metaphorically, that to do politics requires power, and for guys like this any power automatically becomes state violence. It's the same reason the NAP is a logical fallacy.(/isg/)
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>>2526752
So true, return to warlords taking wives from peasents after burning and pillaging their villages

Daily reminder to radlibs that all the brown people are fash. Time to bash da fash, like your good friend Biden did and Trump is scaling up!

Anarchism only appeals to westerners for a reason. All anarchists in the third world are the children of urban elites.

>>2526752
>this is your brain on LARPaganism

>>2526745
Duhhh anon, the whole reason for their belief system is so that they can feel morally superior and smug. It's not about coming to some understanding and trying to change it for the better, it's about being the most morally righteous. It's probably a holdover from Christian cultural brainwashing. They are morally correct and you are basically an apostate/ fascist to them, ie a person who disagrees with them, actually opposes the status quo and/or is mean



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What's the best way to convince anarchists that power and hierarchy aren't inherently bad?

Anarkids act like they understand theory and sociology better than Marxists do. They love getting on their moral high horse by calling everything "oppression". Yet when you actually pick apart their arguments you'll see that they're full of hot air 95% of the time. They talk a good deal about intersectionality and anti-oppression, but when pressed on how to abolish those oppressive structures in society they have no clue.

Marxism, OTOH, is scientific. We understand that political power is necessary to reshape society. We also understand that hierarchies need to exist until we reach the stage of communism, and even then you will still see things like hierarchies of intelligence, talent, beauty, strength, and so on that can't simply be abolished through idealist methods.

But how do you explain this without looking like you're making apologia for oppression? I've tried the Hegelian way of simply saying "the real is rational" but that doesn't get through anarkids' heads very well.
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>>2521407
>process for material change
Revolution caused by the collapse of capitalist society. People have historically formed spontaneous workers councils when the state collapses. Marx was completely vague about the material processes, Lenin believed in the vanguard party and anarchists used anarcho syndicalism as a way to achieve their goals.

>>2493241
Based anarkiddie

>>2493254
I guess another reason for an anarchist to look up.to ISIS is that they're also funded & supported by the CIA

>>2522118
of course you'd rather the CIA fund your larp party

>>2521468
some more stuff i've found
>The last ten years of Nechaev’s life were spent in solitary confinement in the Peter and Paul fortress, from which he had falsely claimed to have escaped in 1869. His behaviour in prison, as Max Nomad has said, was “one of the great episodes of revolutionary history”.
>When General Potapov of the secret police visited his cell and offered him leniency if he would serve as a spy, Nechaev struck him across the face, drawing blood. For the next two years his hands and feet remained in chains until the flesh began to rot.

>In addition, such contemporary groups as the Black Panthers, the Black September, the Weathermen, the Red Army Fraction! and the Symbionese Liberation Army have employed the methods of Nechaev—including indiscriminate terror and the subordination of means to ends—in the name of the revolutionary cause. The Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver tells us in Soul on Ice that he “fell in love” with The Catechism of the Revolutionary and took it as a revolutionary bible, incorporating its principles into his everyday life by employing “tactics of ruthlessness in my dealings with everyone with whom I came into contact”.

>(The Catechism was published as a pamphlet in 1969 by the Black Panthers of Berkeley with an introduction by Cleaver.)
>Even the murder of Ivanov, strangely enough, has had its modem counterparts in the slaying of an alleged informer by the Black Panther group in New Haven in 1969, and in the massacre of 1972 by the leader of the United Red Army in Japan of no less than fourteen members of his group for violations of “revolutionary discipline”.

>The identical criticism was later levelled against the Bolsheviks by Peter Kropotkin, on whose lips, said Maria Goldsmith, “the word ‘Nechaevism’ [nechayevshina] was always a strong rebuke”. As a member of the Chaikovsky Circle, Kropotkin decried all self-contained associations of “professional revolutionaries”, with their clandestine schemes, ruling committees, iron discipline, and subordination of means to ends. He insisted that “a morally developed individuality must be the foundation of every organization”.

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For one big example, Look at all that had to happen for the Bolsheviks to succeeded
>WW1
>Nicholas making the decision to go to the front line to lead the troops
>The February Revolution
>Kerensky re-entering Russia into WW1
>Kerensky's government collapsing because he tried to orchestrate a coup on himself and then double crossed the Army by arming red militias in petrograd
>The liberals giving the Bolsheviks(among other parties) guns to help stop the Army from overthrowing the provisional government.
>The other socialist parties(which were more popular) believing Lenin would reinstall the constituent assembly
>When the SRs did rise up they refused to execute captured bolshevik officers or do much of anything.
>When the Petrograd sailors rebelled they sat on their island printing newspapers hoping that the people of Russia would realize Lenin was a big meaniehead and get rid of him.

Obviously the future is not a wide-open blank slate where anything can happen. Even massive upheavals like the First World War had observable conditions. But the way it unfolded(with Belgium being invaded and Britain, followed by America, entering the conflict) was due to random chances and the decisions of a handful of individuals.
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>>2290660
>Lenin was a ch-ACK!
YWNBTRMTATPSOT

>>2290636
>i'm a socialist but

>>2490704
>No future American president can ever unbreak what Trump has already destroyed in the first eight months of his presidency
wtf i love trump now

>>2367946
"Lenin is condemned by modern Trotskyist PMC history 😏"…"🫨 wait no, you have to ignore the satanic New World Order of pedophile globalists who force children to spend hundreds of dollars to buy those history textbooks from the Zionist agent Robert Maxwell. We need to talk about pre-1992 history actually, REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

>>2491487
>Robert Maxwell
Who?



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