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David Camfield’s new book, Red Flags: A Reckoning with Communism for the Future of the Left, is a concise and insightful intervention into the renewed debates on the legacy of AES. Red Flags analyzes the revolutionary transformations that shaped the unique forms of class rule in the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, and Cuba in order to demolish anticommunist and “anti-anticommunist mythologies surrounding these societies.

Following economist Jacques Sapir, Camfield characterizes AES regimes as “mobilization economies,” in which the state mobilized “all available resources, on a non-commercial basis.” The regimes prioritized the geopolitical interests of their respective party-state bureaucracies by imposing distinct forms of “state capitalism.”

While Camfield’s “reconstructed historical materialist” analysis and lessons he draws for the Left are mostly spot-on, his use of state capitalism as a framework to understand AES is less convincing. In this review, I will briefly summarize Camfield’s central arguments about AES before discussing their broader theoretical and political implications.

Why wasn’t AES socialism?

Camfield locates the renewed interest in AES regimes in anti-anticommunism. Since Western anticommunists (of liberal and conservative variants) have equated communism with fascism, the decline of the neoliberal consensus that followed the Soviet Union’s collapse paved the way for the revival of anti-anticommunism.

Camfield argues this tendency grew among certain Maoist currents in the 1960s’ New Left and has become more prominent as the disillusionment with neoliberal capitalism has led many to a search for alternatives in recent years. Anti-anticommunists’ nostalgic embrace of rival regimes to Western capitalism (including AES regimes, but often other developmentalist regimes too) raises real problems for the socialist left today as apologism for class oppression under AES regimes becomes more widespread.

Contrary to the claims of their proponents, the bureaucratic one-party regimes governing AES societies never aimed for democratic workers’ control or the abolition of exploitation and oppression. Camfield shows how workers experienced forms of political and economic domination under state managers who pursued economic goals that mimicked capitalist growth.

However, in the aftermath of rapid industrialization campaigns and wartime mobilizations, the AES command/mobilizatioPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>state capitalism
yawn

>uncritical embrace of so-called actually existing socialism
yawn yawn

Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?
No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society.
In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

- Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

Our theory is a theory of evolution, not a dogma to be learned by heart and to be repeated mechanically. The less it is drilled into the Americans from outside and the more they test it with their own experience […] the deeper will it pass into their flesh and blood. When we returned to Germany, in spring 1848, we joined the Democratic Party as the only possible means of getting the ear of the working class; we were the most advanced wing of that party, but still a wing of it. When Marx founded the International, he drew up the General Rules in such a way that all working-class socialists of that period could join it – Proudhonists, Pierre Lerouxists and even the more advanced section of the English Trades Unions; and it was only through this latitude that the International became what it was, the means of gradually dissolving and absorbing all these minor sects, […] Had we from 1864, to 1873 insisted on working together only with those who openly adopted our platform where should we be to-day? I think that all our practice has shown that it is possible to work along with the general movement of the working class at every one of its stages without giving up or hiding our own distinct position and even organisation […]

- Friedrich Engels, Letter to Florence Kelley Wischnewetsky, January 27, 1887

To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock comPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>In 1848, Schopenhauer witnessed violent upheaval in Frankfurt after General Hans Adolf Erdmann von Auerswald and Prince Felix Lichnowsky were murdered. He became worried for his own safety and property. […] He gave a friendly welcome to Austrian soldiers who wanted to shoot revolutionaries from his window and as they were leaving he gave one of the officers his opera glasses to help him monitor rebels. The rebellion passed without any loss to Schopenhauer and he later praised Alfred I, Prince of Windisch-Grätz, for restoring order. He even modified his will, leaving a large part of his property to a Prussian fund that helped soldiers who became invalids while fighting rebellion in 1848 or the families of soldiers who died in battle.
Ah, so he was actively reactionary, as his class position, and his actions to defend his class position reveal.
>As Young Hegelians were advocating change and progress, Schopenhauer claimed that misery is natural for humans and that, even if some utopian society were established, people would still fight each other out of boredom, or would starve due to overpopulation.
Ohh… it's just… umm…. humans are gonna be miserable no matter what…. please don't make me lose my property…. I'm so miserable with all this property…. Prussian soldiers…. please defend my property from the rabble…. who are definitely just as miserable in poverty as I am in wealth… oh heavens…. I … ohh…..
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>>2552978
>yeah kanye is a nazi klansman but he made graduation
trve trve

>>2536644
Huh? I thought it was pretty well known that he was a quietist and by definition automatically a reactionary.
His bitter hatred for Hegel and German idealists, Love for monarchy, views on women, etc. He was a certified reactionary.
Shame, I liked his books and was highly fascinated by his philosophy.

>>2536678
> the ethical pursuit of personal goodness must be accompanied by a commitment to social justice, ensuring that all individuals have access to the education and resources
Such a straightforward and clear position arising from the basic principles of Buddhism yet so many failed to see it and Buddhism's history with socialism and progressivism is so sparse……..
Really wonderous how mitigated and meaningless religious teachings become once they're in the hands of a greedy authority.

>>2537008
I remember the despair I felt after seeing this photo on wikipedia's article for autism.
I used to stack up and order basically everything and was well known for it by family. It was like a person with down syndrome looking in a mirror for the first time

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>>2555608
>Buddhism's history with socialism
t. norodom sihanouk
roerichism is somewhat related but is too orientalist in comparison



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marx's statement that "everything melts into air" and "everything holy is profaned" under capitalist relations appears to be completely false. in all reality, capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity. we are not more enlightened than the ancients and history does not resemble social progress.
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You mean the same Marx who called the idealist leftlibs of his time "Saints"?

Yet another thing Marx failed to consider 😢

>>2536352
>capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity
>we are not more enlightened than the ancients
bruh they used to believe that the sun revolved around the earth and diseases were caused by demons
stop being retarded

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>>2536352
Unrelated to the question. But how are we allowed to post images of antique roman vessels depicting the sodomisation of catamites, but not overly stylized cartoon drawings of the same thing? Are mods really that pernicious to modern art? I saw a similar thread that made this point before. I bet I could post a Balthus painting without issue.

>capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity
Not even remotely true. We are not sending 100,000 children to war in Jerusalem because the Pope lied and said the Antichrist was there. We are not burning thousands at the stake for practicing medicine. Get a hold of yourself

The religious larp in modernity is a facade. The rise of fascist mythology is a performance. It's just something they use to cope in modern society, like how women use astrology. They're not going to go to kill themselves for it.

>we are not more enlightened than the ancients and history does not resemble social progress.

Now ironically, YOU'RE acting like the fascist with this stupid, nazi shit. Technology immediately debunks anything you say.

>>2536352
>In all reality, capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity.
Bro they read the blood spills of goat guts before battle 2500 years ago. What the fuck do you mean?



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It turns out that Norway's SWF almost has more money per capita than Norwegian private wealth, that is to say, its material base is such that it can realize PDD, with 2 trillion in the SWF vs about 500 billion GDP.

Roedt seems to be doing adequately, but how good are the revolutionary conditions there? I normally wouldn't advocate first world revolution, whether by the bullet or the ballot, but that 2 trillion is tempting as all hell.
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>>2536506
Here's the thing, as soon as Norway gets a gov that isn't neolib, America seizes the SWF. It can't exist without the US stock market.

>>2536506
Wonder what happened to the Rødtanon party member. he told us a very hopeful vision with real power being gained at local levels but that was a while ago now.

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>>2554615
>>2554658
That would be me. Unfortunately I’m a bit busy with work in computing to be politically active. But I do notice that people are warming up to the party. The leaders recently posted a poll up to 7% or more so we are gaining speed. Unfortunately so is FrP. I’m hoping Rødt can take a socially conventional approach to capture the youth. I’m glad this is being talked about on leftypol. I often get death threats on 4chan from maga americans and their bootlickers.

Norway wouldn’t exist without class struggle. The Sovereign Wealth Fund wouldn’t exist. It has always been a trad working class left country.




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Has there ever been a materialist explanation for why western socialist and communist groups are overwhelmingly white, relatively gender balanced and majority cis (disregarding pronoun nonsense)?

Whereas the membership of contemporary rightoid fascist groups is disproportionately hispanic, Indian or otherwise nonwhite, overwhelmingly male, and rife with pedophiles, perverts and other abusers?
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>>2555036
Bait. Racists always complain about how communists parties in Europe are full of brown people.

>>2555036
Divide and conquer by playing favourite with different demographics

whites are ubermensch and therefore communist

>disproportionately hispanic, Indian or otherwise nonwhite, overwhelmingly male
I don't think this is a rule at all for every reactionary movement's but for the US, many latinos who are not white passing identify themselves as white anyway, or at least feel whiter than their peers, so it's the prevailing colorism within non-white communities that makes them feel identified with the white supremacist cause

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>>2555036
>Has there ever been a materialist explanation for why western socialist and communist groups are overwhelmingly white, relatively gender balanced and majority cis (disregarding pronoun nonsense)?
Most people in the west are white, their population is genderbalanced, and most of the population is cis.



 

Had anyone here tried to troll South Vietnamese diaspora by asking if they condemn the unlawful murder of Prime Minister/President Ngô Đình Diệm by Dương Văn Minh? If yes, what reactions did you get?
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They will eat you if you do

I troll them by going to the nearest Viet restaurant and ordering a big bowl of Pho, eating it quietly, and thanking the nice old lady at the till. I call this trolling method "not being an autistic freak who pics political fights with randos."

A better one would be pointing out that America did not allow elections because the communists would have won, and no dem diem but most of the country in prison look up tragic hamlet program

Bump

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THE AESTHETICS OF COMMUNISM

This thread will describe what exact superstructural changes will occur in the aftermath of a Global Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution once the Material Base has been transformed after the Socialist Mode of Production has been established Worldwide. Enjoy Comrades, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

I will present a thought experiment, what will the World look like a century from now, decades after the World Maoist Protracted People's War (PPW) swept the forces of Capital and Reaction into the dustpan of History in the aftermath of World War III (it started in the Late 2020s as a High-Intensity Conventional Conflict between the U$ and China that escalated into a Global Nuclear War, but contrary to most Pseudoscientific Bourgeois Liberal and Revisionist expectations did not cause an apocalyptic "Nuclear Winter", but instead destroyed the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allowed for a World Maoist PPW that saw Maoist rebels seize control of the entire planet after decades of guerrilla warfare), 🤔? This Effort post will seek to answer that question, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

First, I will explain the political structure of this future Socialist world. There will be a Global USSR, in which every major Nation/Ethnic group will receive their own SSR or ASSR according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR (as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union ), including New Afrika, Aztlan (in a Hispano-American SFSR that includes all the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas), the First Nations, Azawad, Oromia, Afaria, Basque Country, Catalonia, Scotland, Wales, Sapmi, Palestine (in a Arab SFSR that includes all the Arab mPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2548178
Comrade, are you trying to call me a Fascist for upholding the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️🤔?

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>>2548211
What is Fascist about the Aesthetics of Communism, 🤔?

>>2545832
He has the makings of a Chernyshevsky, a fine writer of utopian literature with a socialist bent. If he wants the adventurists and real MLM uyghas of the future to namedrop him, he'll have to hone his craft and publish his shit in the form of a novel. I personally hope he keeps the emojis in his oeuvre and I will make it my life's mission to see to it that the hyperstitional Rakhmetovs of the future include them while they're quoting passages from a red-vinyled copy of his bangers.

>>2545468
Bump, I really hope more of my fellow Comrades can provide an Intellectual critique of my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Analysis Effort Post detailing the “Aesthetics of Communism” that will exist after the Global Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️🤔?



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A thread for exploring, and celebrating, the gradual but hastening fall of the United Empire of America.

>b-bu'muh /USApol/!

This thread doesn't focus on internal or electoral news and politics. Yes, the two consecutive demented presidents are relevant but we're looking outward at the international signs of decline.
>g2/prc/
This thread wants to explore beyond just China, Russia, ZR, etc., show us the deserted corners of the empire too.

Bring your:
- shifting international polls
- seaplanes
- estranged former 'allies'
- aid AIDS

to me the biggest sign of burger reich decline is that it has to choose between currency hegemony and reindustrialization. it cannot have both.

quote from another thread:

<America's currency hegemony and world reserve currency status depends on the debt being unpaid, and the debt being unpaid depends on the trade deficit, and the trade deficit depends on importing more than we export, and that depends on deindustrialization. Trump wants to reindustrialize, but he also wants currency hegemony. He can't have both. He has to pick between one or the other. He cannot be a neo-mercantilist advocate of reindustrialization, and an advocate of America's currency hegemony at the same time. The British and Dutch were also vanquished by this same crisis of hegemony. This is why China, at least the smarter officials in China, don't want to inherit America's unipolar imperial hegemony. It is a poison pill which destroys you in the long run. Multipolarity may prove to be unstable for different reasons, but unipolar hegemony is already proven to be unstable.



 

I love books that detail how great thinkers changed their minds, or more precisely, have had discovered new insights that made them go 180° on their previous takes. (I love progress in thinking…)

For me, when it comes to "big commie theorists," it is an enjoyable case of dialectics within dialectics. Can anyone relate? Do you understand?

So far I've read 3 books on the aforementioned gentlemen, detailing their "change of hearts:"

1) Engels & Marx changing their opinions gradually on the colonialism/imperialism question, recognizing the reality of the labour aristocracy, and so on. (.pdf related #1)

2) Marx & Engels becoming anti-humanists, divorcing their humanist (Hegelian) backgrounds. (.pdf related #2)

3) Lenin changing from socdem to bolshevik (.pdf related #3)

If you have other examples of these big brained retards maturing and 'dialecting' the shit out of the world, please post them. Combined, M-E-L wrote like 120k pages texts and like 0.001% of Actually Existing Communists (AEC) read it all.

Thread motto: Eppur si muove!
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>>2552410
>he never completely lost his Narodnik influences. This is what the video posted above in >>2552208 is about; Despite its clickbait thumbnail, it's very well-researched and interesting.
Wrong, and Lih rebukes this idea in the first two chapters of the book OP linked. Lenin held up the Erfurt programe.

>>2552140
>Engels & Marx changing their opinions gradually on the colonialism/imperialism question
there wasn't a change of mind, at least in marx's case. there are many early writings where he points out the "injustices" and "unfairness" of imperialism, but he didn't really concern himself with morals, neither while young nor old. his priority was understanding the facts, rather than assigning them a "good" or "bad" label, but most people here are too stupid to notice that, or practice it themselves, too baby-brained

the labor aristocracy thing is one of the most misinterpreted and misquotes by annoying ultras. the word was referring to opportunists that join the labor movement aiming for leadership positions just because they see it as easy money and a way of avoiding getting a real job. retards now think it means when your job involves a desk or a computer

>>2552140
Stalin going from 'socialism in one country is impossible' to 'socialism is possible in one country [and we'll kill you if you disagree]' is always a banger.

Non of these breaks happened holy retard

For the first point Marx already thought colonialism was destruction he just lowkey conceded that ot was historically enviable

>>2552685
>Wrong
you didn't even watch it, also it cites many sources



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>bro, the king, like, he's good, god chose him, it's like, his corrupt ministers whispering in his ear who are the problem maaaaaaaaaan. let's fuck up his corrupt ministers and bring him our grievances directly. then he'll see that we're on his side and he'll totally purge his corrupt government and abolish serfdom and all these punitive taxes on the peasantry.
<finally gets to meet his precious king
<gets beheaded

false conciousness is a bitch, innit? you see a similar mindset with the russian peasantry leading up to bloody sunday, when they brought nicholas that petition, or even MAGA retards in the USA who think if you elect an "outsider" (billionaire) you can "fight corruption" and "run the government like a business"
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>>2552836
>Except they did totally escalate
and? you don't telegraph your punches. you say you won't escalate, hoping that they will believe it and maybe not immediately crush you with the national army. think for a second, baby brain, do you also think the bolsheviks were social democrats?

>>2552869
>it was a way of saying "we don't want to escalate this to a national revolt,
<they did escalate though
>And? [strawman and moving the goalpost]
yawn

>>2552873
>they said X but did Y? how can this be!?
baby brain

>>2552877
you cannot read and are angry about nothing.




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