/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

It's almost like ppl never leave their echo chambers to do any independent journalism.
>We r media noe
>.?.
No wonder Trump is still even viable!!!
>>>>>Oh mY gawd were gonna loose!!!!!!
Etc
But anyways:
See:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fugitives_from_justice_who_disappeared

>>1815712
the weather underground clowned on the feds so hard they were the basis for homer's mum in the simpsons.

>>1816967
Lel, I'd completely forgotten about that.

>>1815712
If they "want you" they'll just frame you or kill you. The only way to win is to be permanently off their radar so they never "want you."

>>1815799
>50% of murders solved
This is also an over-estimation since a lot of the people who get convicted are the wrong person. Cops have a tendency to arrest the first person they find who "meets the description" and then manufacture a case around them.

>>1816885
>restaurant work is not more exploitative than other work
It's currently build on systematic exploitation alone and would absolutely need a fundamental rework to function under socialism for a way to have enough people also even want to work in that field without inhumane working hours under minimal pay. Most people are forced into that sort of work by their material conditions and unlike say being a farmer it isn't necessarry for humanity to survive.

>>1816910
Are y'all using the word "exploitation" in the Marxian sense, as in the appropriation of surplus labor value (which would continue to exist under any economic system, although the surplus value would be used differently), or in the ethical sense, as in people being coerced into selling their labor power under threat of destitution (which would not exist under socialism)? In either case I still don't see how restaurants are more exploitative than other capitalist enterprises. Please define your terms.

Yes restaurants would disappear, to be replaced with just having lunch/dinner with friends and family, maybe neighbors and acquaintances.
>A lot of the things people would take for granted could suddenly disappear through a new economic system.
As communists this should be expected. People will adapt, especially considering most of these things didn't exist since the dawn of history.

>>1816262
Also this

MARX FORGOT TO WRITE ON THE RESTAURANT QUESTION!

>>1816958
there would not be restaurants, nor hairdressers, nor any other specialization that isn't in heavy industry, nor any lunch breaks at people's jobs. please ignore actual socialist experiments and how they dealt with the restaurant question
also send all chefs to goulash

>>1816706
Are these “capitalist theocracies” in the room with us right now? And how are your current anarchist states fairing?

>>1816713
>MLoid needs to deny Houthis are theocratic nationalists and Russia is capitalist like the opportunistic coward it is
Shocker

the fact both of you even have these types of arguments prove both MLoids and the average anarchists are retarded and will never win

>>1816706
>Le first line of the green text proves anarchist is le based
<First line is about how anarchist support Capitalism genocide and imperialism if the target is not woke enough
not the own you think it its anarchoid.

>>1816741
The first line is disingenuous and relies on emotional argumentation, which isn't shocking for an ML
"Anarchists support capitalist genocide" only makes sense if viewed through the cowardly and opportunistic lens of modern self-proclaimed MLs, who very shamelessly champion theocratic organizations, capitalists, and other murderous anti-communists leading the fight where MLs themselves have pathetically failed
It's actually the highest of farces to witness MLs take immense pride in rhetorically supporting the armed struggle of non-socialist anti-proletarian militant forces whose ultimate aim has nothing to do with the aims MLs themselves champion
The cowardice typically reveals itself in the hypocrisy of the MLoid, where they promote themselves as cold materialists and pragmatists when it comes to the history of ML led purges of the left, but cry and shit themselves when modern communists and anarchists don't throw their lot in with militants that are only circumstantial enemies of the West

Do you genuinely think your online politics are worth that much of a fuck? Why does it matter if communists rhetorically shill for the Houthis and Russia in your smooth brain?

Is baby scared of seeing people with different ideas? Does it hurt baby's little brain?

>>1816650
glowie simulator would be funny
>invest in outlandish avant garde art
>undermine socialist organizations
>support leftist academics over socialist/communist ones
>push subjectivism and postmodernism in academia, art, popular culture etc
>finance reactionary freikorps and lone wolves and goad them into acts of stochastic terrorism
>sell narcotics to the poor and use the money to fund your operations
>sow racial tension wherever possible
>recruit fascists of all stripes
>assassinate journalists who expose your plots, bribe coroners to say they're suicides

>>1816685
Glowie simulator would have some good dark comedy, like when they failed to kill Castro so much they moved on to wacky schemes like trying to poison him so his beard would fall out

>>1816700
oh yeah entire branches of spending that lead nowhere
>research into the occult and the paranormal (the men who stare at goats)
>trying to kill Castro for the 300th time
>funding secret societies that do nothing but partying and having kinky sex
a lot of fun could be had with glowies over time coming to believing their own subjectivist nonsense

>>1816685
>most concise summary of western intel ops I've ever seen
o7

>>1816717
there's more
>foment color revolution in vassal states that step out of line
>embed spies in political parties across the world, both in "allied" nations as well as hostile ones
>set up fake news networks ála Radio Free Asia and RFE/RL that push your propaganda
>also set up "real" news network ála MSNBC and Fox that also push your propaganda
>finance a historical negationist academia designed to obfuscate and justify Porky's crimes while presenting your own meddling and sabotage of the internal affairs of Socialist nations as those nations' doing
>set up adventurist orgs and try to recruit and entrap more radical socialists
>but be careful that you don't accidentally recruit and entrap your own agents!
>fund Trots and other groups that claim to be socialist while opposing every application of socialism
>fund the development of tools like Tor that sometimes come back to haunt you as they also allow radical groups to communicate undetected

>>1816463
>Social Democrat
Eeeeh. Are they at least willing to say fuck you to the US, rightoids and their empiralist agendas? Some Lulags would be nice at least.

>>1816489

His mentality and policies resemble Bernie Sanders' a lot from what I have seen. I would wanna read articles about comparing him to FDR.

>>1816495
He's had a few arguments with Milei who is a right wing liberal from Argentina, and yes, before this president there were a bunch of yes men.

These are a few things the current president has refused to do, when the US requested it:

>Sending weapons to Ukraine and imposing trading sanctions on Rusia
>Agreeing to give away the nation's resources such as lithium (Elon Musk wanted to own a lithium mine, AMLO told him to fuck off, we can sell em batteries, but not the concession).
>Oil reserves; previous president was a right wing liberal he gave away the oil to foreign businesses, none of them were obliged to invest much, they basically kept all the profits. Current president basically kicked them out and the ownership of the oil has gradually returned to the national state owned oil company.
>The US wanted us to keep immigrants from other countries, while they were doing paperwork to live in the US, current president refused to do that

Those are the ones I can think of without looking it up.
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That’s nice and all but is AMLO increasing worker or state ownership of the means of production?

>>1816618
Bourgeois property relations are most likely staying

>>1816495
AMLO is like a watered down Lula. He's good compared to the options, and to the past, but not as good as could be.

Even if he were "perfect", the government apparatus wouldn't let him do much, and Mexico doesn't really have an organized working class movement to support him or his reforms. Anything he does could be easily revertible.

The worker dont want bull and a lot of talk that gives no bread and meat. If possible, keep it as simple as it can be.

>The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions
Communist is for big dick chads afraid of nothing
Marxist is for big brained philosophers
Marxian is for economists
Leftist/socialist is for starbucks-drinking westernoids scared of Russian man bad and probably closet reformists

>>1816600
Based

>>1816600
I'm not in the closet. I get out the closet, then I get back in, then I jump out again. Wee, the room's spinning.

>LABELS LABELS LABELS
i wish there was a way to instantly understand the context when someone speaks and not have to give a name for everything. There are not two people on earth that think of the same thing when they mention something more complex than an object.
>>1816597
>To the average worker
Not average and not worker. Not everyone is a burger.

>>1816263
I don't think an autopia infrastructure makes sense. I think you need public trabsit or personal vehicle. A hybrid doesn't make sense. As for rail vs cars, obviously rail is a lot harder to make then roads so obviously you will use roads where you can't rail and you will need non-hooked up cars for those.

Lithium-ion batteries didn't exist in USSR days, lead-acid batteries are have shit energy density. /thread

>>1816111
>But I’m curious why the Soviets chose to go with the commie clown cars, like the Lada, when they could have built a more efficient EV infrastructure
They had trains and trams you dumb fuck. That was far more efficient than making a bunch of 1-4 person clown trams.

Path dependency and opportunity cost, the world had already developed more expertise in gasoline cars by the time the USSR ventured seriously into civilian automotives. The cost of developing a "lost" technology from nothing again is greater than adopting an already working solution. Further more, developing a new technology means the initial products are typically inferior and it takes even more investment and time before new tech becomes superior to old tech. The USSR had limited resources so it went with the low-risk known solution.

electric cars have their uses, but batteries will never be able to compete with hydrocarbons on energy density or specific energy. electric motors being more efficient helps a bit but it's not enough

>>1814251
How's the weather in tel aviv moshe?

>>1814251
Genocide is not just a single act.
Fuck am I drunk

>>1813496
(Not the Anon)
>i don't understand why zionists keep bringing up the holocaust like the average person who isn't a 70 year old evangelical american gives a single fuck about it
??? The holocaust is something that plenty of people care about besides deranged zionists and evangelicals. Belarussians care deeply about the holocaust for example since they were huge victims of it. Caring about the holocaust is not the same as using it as a bludgeon to silence anti-zionism, which is what Israel does.
>this shit happened like 90 years ago, there's a genocide of the palestinians TODAY
yes that is true, the genocide of Palestinians does have higher priority because it is happening now.
> i don't understand how anyone is supposed to feel anything but annoyed every time you bring up this little sob story over a group of people you're not even related to
the holocaust is not a "sob story" and it happened to more people than just Jewish people. It was targeted at Slavs, Communists, Homosexuals, the disabled, the mentally ill, Poles, Belarussians, Russians, etc. etc. etc.

>>1809766
>Scott announced that she had donated $1.7 billion to 116 non-profit organizations, with a focus on racial equality, LGBTQ+ equality, democracy, and climate change
so basically entities that further porky's interests? she isn't giving away money just investing in securing further exploitation, racial equality = impossible under capitalism, LGBT = severing of family ties and further reification but also an impossibility under capitalism women will always end up oppressed, bourgeois "democracy" and climate change the last one is probably the only good cause but as many other problems cannot be solved under capitalism due to the rigid competition laws

Would it be possible to PSYCHICALLY donate a billion dollars? Like, personally handing out rolls of 100 dollar bills to soup kitchens, beggars, street children, food banks etc
Would it even be humanly possible time-wise or are there enough beggars so that, even giving 10K to each one, you can burn off a billion?

>>1809778
I've thought about this before. Like what's the most money you could reasonably get for free from a billionaire? Like if you asked a billionaire for $50 they'd get all snarky and start lecturing you. But I think if you asked for $5, they'd be so amused by the small request that they might give it to you as a joke.

>>1809854
There is not a single proven case of a billionaire donating money to charity. They simply move money into "donor-advised funds" which are tax exempt yet not required to actually payout a single cent to charity. Essentially they just make a 'charity' for themselves and donate money to themselves to avoid taxes. Every dollar "donated" by a billionaire increases the tax burden of all non-billionaires. Just using common sense, does someone who steals billions of dollars sound like someone who would actually donate to charity? I don't really buy it.

>>1816052
>philosophical zombie
The entire field of contemporary western philosophy is a joke and probably deliberately dumbed down and neutered.

>>1816060
>muh western
All philosophy is a joke.

>>1816060
I know that's why I keep posting Lukács quotes and articles about how Heidegger was not only a Nazi but also shit at philosophy

>>1816051
We learn plenty of things unconsciously.

For example, even an illiterate could point out an incorrect sentence structure despite never spending a conscious thought on how grammar works, nor even knowing the terminology to explain it. They never consciously learned their language. The question: can there be creatures that learn everything that way? If yes, is it better somehow? If yes, does that mean that we'd edit that part out of ourselves if competition demanded it? The book assumes all three answers are "yes", and then tells a spooky story.

Watts isn't seriously asserting that his depictions are true, he's riffing. Blindsight includes theorycrafting for goddamn space vampires. Don't look too hard into the actual story, it's not trying to be prescient (though I will note, it included an interaction with an instinctively bullshitting entity that a modern reader would instantly recognize as an LLM - it was written in 2006).

Although, the questions are posed in the context of a fantastical first-contact story. Getting the 'triple yes' outcome described above would be catastrophic in the real world (I say this as a conscious creature that enjoys being conscious).

My take on the consequences of non-conscious intelligence turning out to be better* than conscious intelligence is this: given the currently dominant mode of production, as workers vie for higher wages, the logic of competition would drive them to eventually "optimize" consciousness out of either their own cognition or their kids' (perhaps through neural prosthetics, genetic engineering, whatever). You already see something resembling this; many software engineers can't shut the fuck up about chasing the 'Flow State', which is apparently some deep mode of concentration where you forget yourself and get completely immersed in a task (i.e. making your boss more money than other workers). Regardless of whether this 'flow state' shit is a grift or not, it's certainly an indication that the demand would be there.

*: (as in, better at being a good little wagie)

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