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Every leftist org in America should join the army, as to cause a split within the US military and bring about a civil war.
That's all.
A civil war does not happen between regime versus civilians / armed militias, none of them have the balls for insurrection.
But division within the army? That's good enough.
Get going, make it your organization's policy to enlist and cause division.
An economic crisis / waiting for the AI bubble to pop will just prolong suffering and make the situation more difficult to handle.

Q: What do I do if I get rejected?
A: You will prepare logistics on the outside.

Now hurry, if you don't take down your pedophile bourgeois western order down you are complicit, just like the citizens of nazi Germany in Naziland, the israelis in the Zionist regime and so on. And history will remember forever that the americans and westerners knew that they were ruled by borgeois pedophiles but did nothing.

When you are old they will ask you "what was it like living under a pedophile regime? what did you do?" and you will say "nothing, I was too lazy and afraid to organize and fight".

Come on muttlanders, collapse your regime, COLLAPSE YOUR REGIME, DESTABILIZE YOUR REGIME. DO IT. YOU WILL GET SUPPORT FROM RUSSIA AND CHINA AND ALL THE AES, HURRY UP MUTTS.




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Giovanni Gentile's criticism of Marxism was basically
>You believe in historical determinism and inevitability of Marxism, yet you still call upon workers to rise and fight to death in a revolution
>You claim to be materialist, yet you believe in common good which requires spirit
Something along those lines. So how the hell did Fascism become so completely different from Marxism if his only issues were semantic in nature?

why does everyone here dickride this idealist retard



 

The USSR failed as a political experiment exactly because of its internationalist nature and because it suppressed the market mechanisms necessary for the entrepreneurship that generates economic development and social well-being. The USSR fractured exactly because it existed as a coalition of distinct national identities instead of a fully centralized and stable nationalistic project. As a result it splintered into a multitude of weak and irrelevant countries primed for exploitation by the capitalist hegemon. This is why we now see two former communist nations fighting in Ukraine; because the foolishness of Lenin decades prior created an unnecessary national identity which the American intelligence apparatus preyed upon and directed against Russia.

Instead of wasting resources promoting independent revolutions throughout the world, the USSR should have committed to the much wiser project of russification and centralization. It should have expanded it's sphere of influence through direct military conquest and annexation. If they had unified Eurasia under a singular national project they would have become unstoppable. They should also have allowed for the existence of markets and free enterprise, but retained control over banking and finance in order to fully and completely subject these capitalist forces to the totalizing logic of the state's developmental project. This is why China succeeded where the USSR failed. This is also why China will become the undisputed hegemon of the next world order; it is inevitable.
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a parallel universe where america is "dengist" would be an improvement (vid related)


>>2681000
Next to the "dead muslims" gore threads? Hilarious for you to claim that rightoids like Islam even though the right ward push since 2012 was because of the Syrian refugee wave lmao

China is internationalist.

It's every other country that's nationalist, hence impoosibly to "ally" with for a socialist country




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No doomerposting; serious materialist-clinical analysis, please.
I'm from a third-world country; a worsening one, I'm literally disabled so rely on my parents + due to my mental insanity itself I would literally DIE if I ever have to live alone.
I see everything in the world getting worse, worse, worse. the good things were more expensive, fewer in number, and less good over time. I don't see myself living 5 years, let alone 5 decades.
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smoke weed and watch lord of the rings

>>2693028
watch all 3 on several hits of acid. then afterwards, when you're coming down, walk through the nearest forest carrying a kettlebell so you feel the burden of frodo




 

I am genuinely worried about the current state of the America. They are trying to take all neighboring countries and former territories like Canada, Greenland and the Panama Canal, then remove remove all cold-war-era independent countries like Cuba and Iran, Then completely Vassalize the rest of Europe and NATO and turn them all into giant Kosovos. The goal here is to starve China until it collapses and then America can usher in a Techno-Fuedelist-Fascist world order. This is not gonna work obviously but I would still like to do something from within because all American Leftists need to lock in.
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>>2653997

Follow the CIA's sabotage field manual, it has plenty of clever sabotage techniques anyone can execute without getting caught:
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

Get a job as a military contractor and deliberately fuck things up and be as counter-productive and damaging as possible while still retaining your job (the manual gives you plenty of tactics on how to do that).

Learn about online/phone OPSEC in order to avoid getting caught.

If you can get a job where you serve food to high-ranking politicians or military officers, you can can lethaly poison them through the use of ethylene glycol (anti-freeze). You can easily buy it online for cheap and it doesn't harmfully affect the taste of food. It also takes 12-24h for the effects to set in so you get plenty of time in order to flee and disappear to another country.

>>2682215
>>2653997
Also, if you have a government job, look up online (while using optimal OPSEC best-practices) how to become a collaborator to foreign intelligence agencies such as the MSS and the FSB.

>>2654127
whiteoids have been doing that for 60 years
turns out there's always someone breeding somewhere

>>2653997
Don’t vote

>>2682215
don't click that link with your regular IP, guys…. also shame on this anon for linking CIA gov and not downloading and attaching the PDF



 

The Soviet Union opened its very first large toilet paper factory in… 1969
And toilet paper remained in deficit for the whole Soviet period, right until the end.
People would buy Pravda and Komsomol newspapers exclusively to use as toilet paper.
In 1981, a Soviet plane crashed and killed 16 Admirals and Generals because it was overloaded with hoarded toilet paper lol.
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The thread is basically ogre, but all of these claims about the Soviet Union supposedly making basic items unobtainable depends on the false comparison against what is easily found and bought in Western shops today and not those of the 20th Century.

Consumer electronics probably involves the biggest misconception in this regard, they’re essentially all disposable items these days and you’re encouraged to treat them as such with planned obsolescence, but it seems that gets projected on to fancy 80s Japanese hi-fis when trying to critique le consoomerism in the Soviet Union. By which it’s imagined everyone in the West had those now-quaint Laserdisc players in the 1980s because capitalism is just so heckin dedicated to facilitating consumerism, while only those with the money in the USSR could get one from the black market and with waiting lists unless you had connections, aka you “knew a guy” in contemporary western parlance.

In reality, even TVs were expensive enough, unreliable enough and hard enough to replace in the West that it was common to lease them in the 20th Century. Being able to go to your nearest shopping centre on any day and finding a new TV, in-stock, for the cost of a day or two’s salary is a pretty recent development.

>>2684411
they literally didn't win a majority in one of the elections, declared it null and void and just seized power anyway

>>2684469
Yep, a home computer ran you over a month's wage in the 1980s, with Apples or IBMs costing as much as a car.

>>2684411
The difference is that the Bolsheviks were handed over completely set up institutions, they slapped a red coat of paint on them and kept them largely the same.
The CPC built new institutions from the ground up and the party always functioned more through localism anyway, the heart of the CPC is really village councils.

>>2683408
Will you?



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Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
I live in the United States and we were always taught that he did but it was somehow a good thing. I understand that Gorbachev wasn't the one who collapsed it and that it was Yeltsin who did, Gorbachev's reforms just caused it to happen because it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up, but I still think he is somewhat responsible. It was reckless and stupid to abandon Marxism-Leninism for Social Democracy and it was also reckless to let the eastern bloc have elections knowing that the CIA would mess with them which they did. I understand that stagnation was a problem but he should of listened to Deng's advice rather than allow so much nationalist sentiment to brew up and illegally dismantle your country, I understand that the USSR kind of sucked domestically but foreign-policy wise it was the most moral superpower to ever exist, and the bar is very low.

>>>/Draw/5715
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>>2653020
Nope. He was 50 years late with his reforms.

I've gone through the reasons for the collapse of the USSR numerous times, so I can't be bothered to write out another several thousand word post, so just quick pointers.
- Inherited shitty Tsarist institutions and adopted nomenklatura as the way to rise up through the party
- This meant the entire system created a system of nepotism + merits. Instead of working together, people gamed the system to sabotage rivals instead making them look better.
- Purges happened, Communists didn't know how to shut their mouths and fell to libtard rivals who played the game.
- Stalin dies, Libtards come to power
- Destalinization is really just Decommunization-lite
- Soviet ministry of finance becomes more powerful as Financialization starts to occur, they start sabotaging the central statisics bureau with funding cuts. This means GOSPLAN starts to falter and reforms like OGAS (Soviet internet) get canned.
- 1965 reforms come in pushed by Kyosgin and Liberman, within 5 years these plans will kill functional central planning and GOSPLAN in the USSR. By 1970, not a single top down target is being met or cared about.
- This empowers the Red Directors of Industry, they become even more insanely corrupt and basically will only do their jobs if you bribe them, this attitude of quid pro quo sweeps across the USSR, to even see a doctor you need to bring a "gift" or to get a decent cut of meat you bring a gift to the butcher etc.
- Brezhnev is just a military/heavy industry brained nationalist, who empowers other nationalist allies across the USSR.
- So now you have Nationalist presidents + Red Directors who are functional Capitalists.
- Andropov comes in, KGB, wants to reform the USSR, brings all sorts of advisors in, basically ends up with a more Xi-style approach, anti-corruption, light economic reforms, clamp down on social degeneracy and restore Communist values
- Dude dies from Type 1 Diabetes as soon as his reforms start to see results
- Dude brought back literally exiled Capitalist shitlibs just to see what they had to say, now they are at the top of the USSR advisory apparatus.
- They get a puppet in, they seize their opportunity with help from the Red Directors and Nationalist Presidents.
- *Komm Susser Todd starts playing*

Gorbachev was just the culmination of nearly half a century effort by opportinists to dismantle the soviet system

>I understand that [Great Man] wasn't the one who collapsed [supposed mode of production with full-on class dictatorship] it and that it was [other Great Man] who did
Shit website




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Ever since the retirement of Fidel Castro in 2006 ever self-described communist country (all five of them) has been a market-socialist economy. China and Vietnam seem to have taken a liking to it, North Korea seems to be indifferent, I don’t know anything about Laos, and Cuba seems to be reluctant to it. Is only supposed to be temporary for until the communist movement gets back on its feet or are we stuck with Labubus and billboards forever?
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>>2683138
Except labour vouchers are not a currency, they don't circulate among people, they are personal and are extinguished once they are exchanged

I'm trying to think of how market socialism could possibly work without just degenerating back into reskinned capitalism. Oh, I'm not allowed to hire employees? Every firm must be co-operative? Well, I'll just have my one-man widget production manager firm and "buy" the labour of 100 of other "independent" labourers to do all things necessary to make and sell widgets.

>>2614940
Yeah capitalism, i mean market socialism, is truly the most advanced mode. One might say that history ends with capitalism, i mean market socialism.

dengist scroll jutsu lol!

>>2614940
market socialism is only doable in resource rich nations where the investments are guaranteed a quadruple return or states that have tactical reasons to exist for other capitalist states, the one exception to these is the cuban goverment which is struggling and undergoing shortage issues because of their market reforms

Market socialism is Agent Kochinski coded



 

I'm looking for some really lame super pragmatic minimal market socialism for the sake of giving imagination-gap terminally reform-brained normies a concrete thing they can work with.

Specifically I was looking for something which while maintaining distributed capital markets also gets rid of rewards for nonproductive actors. I didn't exactly find this, but I did find Roerner's Equal Shares proposal this follows:

>Every adult citizen would receive from the state treasury an equal endowment of coupons, that can be used only to purchase shares of mutual funds. Only coupons can be used to purchase shares of mutual funds, not money. Only mutual funds can purchase shares of public firms, using coupons. Prices of corporate shares and mutual funds are, hence, denominated in coupons; they will oscillate depending on the supply and demand for shares. Citizens are free to sell their mutual-fund shares for coupons, and to reinvest the coupons in other mutual funds. Finally, firms may exchange coupons with the state treasury for investment funds, and may purchase coupons from the treasury with money. This is the only point at which coupons exchange for money. These investment funds play the role of equity in the firm. (p. 20)


>A share of a firm entitles the owning mutual fund to a share of the firm's profits, and a share of a mutual fund entitles the owning citizen to a share of the mutual fund's revenues. When a citizen dies, his mutual fund shares must be sold and the coupon revenues are returned to the state treasury. The treasury in turn issues coupon endowments to citizens reaching the age of majority. (p. 20)


Anyway this proposal seemed to get reasonably close to what I was "looking for". I'm still not sure however if it's productive to advertise this sort of thing to others. Is it a useful strategy to build these sort of concrete programs. Further about this plan in particular is it really what anyone is after? Is there an effective even more reform minded solution that still removes rewards for unproductive actors - or at least as this one does makes such rewards equal?
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1.Changes in organic composition of capital means that manufacturing share of labour will no longer absorb a huge amount of workers. You can't just deploy workers in a factory anymore, with how complicated and automated shit are nowadays. However I can see on-demand labour deployment in agriculture or services, India and China already do this, however this means that difference between productive capital and rent extraction becomes nul since there are no moe productive, industrial capital.
2.>state owned enterprises competing with private enterprise at low surplus margins and with low managerial salaries
This is my second biggest problem. Everything you said here, from implementation of labour vouchers to universal compulsory education to concentration of capital required an enormous, massive and powerful managerial bureaucracy, which you will need to pay and train significantly more than the average proles. You want to have your cake and eat it too; a state that needs massive managerial bureaucracy but also one without a nomenklatura. This is not gonna happen, because bureaucratic work by its nature is specialized.
3. >Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.
>cap hours allowed to be worked per week and implement more robust welfare
My third biggest problem. Having full employment will result in a massive demand increase. Since we control capital we can prevent inflationary pressure on the currency equivalent but we will still be left with a skyrocketing demand for consumer and industrial goods. Unless you want to face goods shortage you have to crank up working hours instead of reducing them. Again a case of having your cake and eat it too.
However, this is already a step in the right direction. We need labour creation and mobilization program. And we need a massive, well paid bureaucracy to do that. The rest of your platform just need some moderation

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>>2639546
Dengism

>>2652538
Nah, it's fine. Most of the non-cyclical and nin-habbening threads here are shit tier bait.

>>2652538
No, honestly it's fine, better than most the pure dogshit of the catalogue recently.
>>2686335
>cyclical and habbening threads
You lot barely post in them, instead preferring to learn nothing and endlessly bicker in whatever batch of nonsense threads, usually downstream of this weeks twitter engagement-slop.




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Does the 1st world bomb the 3rd world in order to extend their social programs, or does the 1st world bomb the 3rd world in spite of the fact that their increased military spending could go towards social programs instead? I see both narratives on here quite often and both seem incomplete and burdened by assumptions. Make sure to call me stupid and not answer my question.
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>>2688720
Yep, and even within the US there’d an underclass with all the poor migrants/illegal migrants used for sub minimum wage labor

america bombs the third world in order to secure the resources that form the basis of its supply chain. they don't really fund social programs, they limit domestic policy to fuel prices and collude with capital.

>>2686935
Absolute cretin, the Moffing

>>2686859
The West must slaughter third worlders daily to pay their soul debt to the demon lords that give them temporal power. Failure to pay results in destruction and a billion years of torture.

>>2688155
Is it?



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