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It work pretty well for a bit in Catalonia, but I'm not really sure the means of revolution adapted to the conditions of 1920s Spain would really translate all that well to modern day America.
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>>2852706
Have they ever effectively be the base of any revolutionary movement, not just in theory? I always felt unions were about negotiating a better deal not to overthrow anything.
They tend to make the business worse due to endemic corruption and also not bring anything close to communism, not even real social democracy since they were always downstream from powerful state capacity and not some decentralized salary bargaining.

>>2852858
They can be, unions can strike for reform such as higher wages and better conditions but the logical conclusion of all that is the abolishing of the wage system altogether so it really depends on the level of class consciousness that they have and the material conditions that would be auspicious for such a demand to become a real potential.

>>2852806
Exactly, non state socialism is essentially anti-competitive so lacks the coercive slave driving to prod the proletariat above and beyond their capacity. Which is why it cannot exist within the international community which the bourgeoisie would just see as a vacuum to capitalise on. Once the productive forces have built up and reached an equalibrium on a global scale and there are no more countries to imperialise, the bourgeoisie will be backed into a corner since they would no longer be able to buy out through reform since they cannot export or import labour to poorer nations and will be at the mercy of the demands of the proletariat

who cares what idiotas on here think is "viable"

>still
never was



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2868798
afaik, gangs like MS13 (originating in L.A.) infiltrated places like El Salvador from the 80s onwards, and we see like in the Mexican cartel, that gangs become para-military and quasi-governmental entities, even like the Yakuza in Japan or the Russian and Sicilian Mafia in New York. Gangsters come and go, and what I say is that they need to go away forever. Shockingly, ᴉuᴉlossnW pushed out the power of the gangs in Italy, and with US occupation, they reinstated the gangs. So, gangs weaken nations.
https://www.brlsi.org/whatson/strange-allies-the-mafia-us-vs-ᴉuᴉlossnW-in-ww2/

>>2868811
>gangs weaken nations
So, a good thing?

>>2868753
So the woman from the far left party gets elected, destroys homicide rates but Bukele gets the credit because he does the whole fascist circus.

These aren't really controversial.

The only thing I'd disagree with is describing North Korea as an abomination of socialism. That may have been a fair criticism under Kim Jong Il and during the early years of Kim Jong Un's rule, but I think Kim Jong Un has moved the country in a more positive direction. Overall, I support the direction it's heading today.

>UBI
Don't take this as me disagreeing with universal income at all but… anything disposable will just end up in OnlyFans eventually. That's not a bad dynamic at all, we're unprepared for the massive shifts in meanings and relations that'll come with the end of (or near end of) material scarcity. The idea of relating to a person for material things, management and labour will go away but being human won't and neither will the human gaze.

Enter the gaze economy, the gazed are rich in gaze.

There'll be hobbies but the further away they are from the gossip and the herd, the nerdier, hehe



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I've been seeing a lot of neoliberal and generally pro-market positions on social-media for a while now and I was wondering if this was a general phenomena or if it was just me.
In any case, in the event that this is a general trend on social media, how receptive is the average person to that kind of propaganda ?

From where I'm from, most people are pretty left-leaning economically but also have a lot of anti-tax views (which is logical given the burden of 65+ on the pension system). But is this the case everywhere ? I've also noticed that a lot of zoomers seemed to embrace the myth of the self-made man a lot more than the older generations.
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>>2852711
It’s the abundance movement now apparently

>>2852713
What are the actual economic policy positions of abundance?

>>2852716
They’re literally just rebranded neoliberal policies with an emphasis on YIMBYISM

>>2852719
😕 Neoliberals do jack shit to nationalize land, debt and other rents.

>>2850006
the average person in the imperial core is a petty bourgeois treatlerite, so very susceptible



 

Let's rehearse the facts:
>The US bombed Cambodia harder than they did in Nazi Germany and Japan
>The majority of the urban population were refugees from the countryside when the cities were emptied.
>Life expectancy dropped to its lowest point in 1975, before the Khmer Rouge took over. Afterwards, it began increasing.
>The Khmer Rouge successfully did all they could do prevent famine.
>The Khmer Rouge was not peasantist/primitivist. There was investment in light industry, healthcare and education.
>Thousands were killed in the Vietnamese invasion. More refugees fled per year from the puppet regime than from the Democratic Kampuchea.
>The central government ordered a stop to all killings on several occasions.
>The CIA only supported the Khmer Rouge after Vietnam took over to fuck with the USSR. The same CIA that bombed the country to rubble

Am I saying the KR was good? No. But blindly believing in propaganda is stupid.
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Genuine mental illness

>>2840444
Anyone who defends Pol Pot is a CIA asset just like Pol Pot himself, Vietnam saved Cambodia from a genocide committed by a man who received $85 million bucks from Henry Kissinger

>>2852428
Take some deep breaths
>>2852603
You can't read I can tell

>>2840444
>blindly believing in propaganda is stupid
Liberals literally cancelled Noam Chomsky for his "genocide denial" more than they ever condemned him for being an MIT fascist who is aligned with the Epstein class.
<'The Cynical Farce about Cambodia' by Noam Chomsky
<Dissent, June 26, 1978
<“Do the recent events in Cambodia warrant a reconsideration of our opposition to the Vietnam War”? Consider the factual and moral premises that allow this question to be seriously raised.

<Principled opponents of that war should now devote themselves with no less energy to attempting to heal its wounds and help its victims — those in exile, those who are oppressed, and those who are struggling to construct a viable society from the ruins left by American terror. If honest inquiry reveals terror and repression, protest is legitimate. One who undertakes it must ask how his acts may help those who suffer, bearing in mind also the domestic consequences and the fate of future victims of the interventionist ideologies now being reconstructed. One will of course win acclaim in the West by joining the chorus of protest focused on those who have escaped the Western orbit, but for ugly reasons. It is easy to avoid these considerations, but an honest person with true human concern will not lightly do so. Individuals may differ in their assessment of these complex issues, but they deserve more careful attention than they often receive. We cannot escape the world in which we live, inconvenient though that fact may be.
https://chomsky.info/19780626/

>>2840599
>revolution is worse than the social ills it claims to cure
Liberals are just pagan Baal cultusts who believe 'the invisible hand of the free market' is natural and not made of political choices. So any attempt to resist the Epstein class of IMF finance imperialism is against nature

>>2840444
>The US bombed Cambodia harder than they did in Nazi Germany and Japan
North Korea too



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>>2838086
I'm sorry, "We" are "Winning" by "Doing Nothing"? While the US secures every single node in your dubious tactic of Belt and Road outside of the China-Russia-Iran triangle, two of which are extremely vulnerable (entrenching the quarantine 1*, compounding power asymmetry 2*)
1: how's that worked out for all ML states so far? it is the most lethal and you invite it? who's playing who? "do nothing win" may be the CIA's most successful meme and you drooling suburban Californian MLs love it
2: speedrunning the later decades of the USSR are we? Ah yes China winning hard by events in Caribbean (only stable core of their LatAm strategy)
Great that you now have allies like UAE and Egypt in BRICS after Assad (oops, guess he wasn't immortal, but Ben didn't make a vid no that :( curious) Bright days ahead in west Asia, the key geostrategic zone for the Belt and Road pipe dream to come into effect (connecting asia to africa and latin america) as all arab states in the region let the the zionists "finish the job" for their bottom line.
Chinese chauvinism made them get kicked out of Sahel too, you think South Africa can carry the continent by itself?
As yankees now pivot from Asia to LatAm (Japan, Philippines, Thailand, India, Nepal, Afghanistan, """East Turkestan""", socfash Mongolia) and the British Commonwealth in the timezone - "looking good") and LatAm most already having been made subservient following US successful drug networks wrecking the straight line from Mexico to Brazil; "pink wave" reformists predictably walking on crates went and made themselves associated to drugs and are now stuck in a alt-right malaise for the foreseeable future (you say "look at andean region"). The entire continent is a settler-colonial project that already accomplished its task. Arab populations can't even find the bourgeois nationalism in them in the late stage of capitalist imperialism to free their Palestinians brothers and sisters from the first phases of their genocide. Iran is doing what it's doing purely for regional competition with the Isaraelis and Gulf Arabs. Every single west asian sunni arab zionist state standing firm, no arab spring 2 but arab nationalist.

You are as politically relevant as a radlib and your class collaborationism makes you but another obstacle in the way of proletarian revolution.
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pretty much

I think china is still banking for NEH and to be frank they WILL win if chuddha is right and NEH is the true noble path to nirvana

it's also why suddenly western porky has been trying to make everything happen at the same time

who will win? who knows, but most thirdie proles and a section of firstoid workers will definitely lose everything they have and then some

4 more years

Bumping in light of Cuba, 2026, June




 

Is the whole boomer vs. gen X vs. millennial vs. zoomer thing simply another form of false consciousness?

For example, someone born in 1986 and someone born in 1994 are both “millennials” but someone born in 1997 is a “zoomer” even though someone born in 1994 has a life experience much more like someone born in 1997 than they do someone born in 1986. Likewise, we don’t even know how to define when certain generations end or begin. Is the cut-off for boomers 1963, 1964, or 1965? To what extent does it matter?

It seems like scapegoating “boomers” for everything has become a popular thing to do on social media and I have to ask why is blaming the older generation somehow worthwhile? “Boomers were the hippies who ended up becoming conservative and voting for Reagan” — that doesn’t explain the material factors that lead to the rise of Reagan and neoconservatism in the first place. You can’t simply “blame boomers” when “boomer” exists in a materialist context. Likewise, you can’t blame Gen Xers and millennials for being “vain” or whatever when Gen Xers and millennials also faced material conditions beyond their control. So why are we placing blame on generations? Does it make any sense to do this?
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>>2838577
Gamergate was the “Franz Ferdinand” moment that ended up causing millions of millennial and zoomer men to embrace literal Nazism.

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>>2838598
>>2838683
You /pol/tards can give current and future generation /leftypol/ as well as insurance companies some risk relief by killing yourselves before you get old, preferably asap. Acknowledging your free will to save costs some insurance prick might even give you a free pass for using cutting edge western euthanasia tech if you ask nicely.

all generations suck equally, yet differently.

Hot take: boomers get too much hate, gen Xers get too little hate.

Gen Xers (1964-1980) are by far the most right-wing generation. We all like to denounce boomers as “the hippies who voted for Reagan” when gen Xers are largely the anti-globalization vegan punks who ended up voting for Trump. And just like how the Reaganite Neocon-Neoliberal-Evangelical alliance was about making conservatism appeal to hippies, Trumpism is conservatism that appeals to CrimethInc-reading, organic-food eating types. There’s a reason why so many people who were “leftists” back in the 90s-2000s ended up jumping ship for Trump in 2016.

>>2838592
it's over for slam plapner



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I'm not American but my gf is. At her work she has a bunch of lesbians who tell her about attending DSA meetings. She says they do cool shit like consoom ethically under gabidalism, only buy fair trade stuff, run coops, do community outreach etc and try to be as little of an autistic political bickering club as possible. However at the same time I see a bunch of shilling that the DSA is extremely anti-White, and the fact that the only local chapter I've heard about first-hand is full of dyed-hair lesbians (who are pretty much always spiteful and militant especially towards White guys) along with the sperging about skeletons in the closet of the one prominent White guy their movement was even able to get (Platner) to seem "relatable" to White guys leads me to suspect that these people are not actually the friends of working class White men. I get the feeling that, if they get their full way after the zionist conservative billionaires controlling the other side of American politics are done squandering all public goodwill towards themselves, it will be open season on all cracKKKKers and their shit across the West as a rainbow coalition of crusty mutated-looking baizuo, Americanised 4b feminists, the couple hundred million browns inside the West and every other brown piece of shit from the third world that wants to waltz in will be permitted to work their way towards a pogrom against all working class White "settlers" while the porkies and yids that are actually responsible for the problems they're worked up over just lock up their gated communities, move their gigafactories to India or take a plane back to Israel.

This is probably the result of anti-DSA shilling, and of course I have nothing but contempt for ziocons and the orange pedophile, but at the same time I've interacted with pro-Palestine protests/groups with a self-proclaimed "socialist" bent in my own country and they mostly seem to oppose Israel because they think they are White cracKKKer colonisers and worship anyone with brown skin. To what extent is the DSA made up of people who would actively cheer if I got hacked to death by a random naked Haitian for no reason unless I parroted their talking points constantly and painted my nails weird colours?
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>>2851959
I’m not saying it would be a good thing, I’m saying it’s an ahistorical and utterly unrealistic thing. Again, maybe we should focus on eliminating the existing bigotries before worrying about which new ones might come along.

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>>2851871
Very true

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People who think being an edgelord misanthrope is realism are just as bad and annoying as hopecore polyannas

>>2851767
…what?

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>ow much of a "kill all cracKKKers" movement is the DSA?
not enough of one. next question



 

Awesome! I hope the plane took out some financial scum. By the looks of it there was a fire so I hope as many of those imperialist bourgeois pigs were roasted in it. It's a shame the whole building wasn't taken down but the plane was too small. People should start crashing like cargo jets (since then it is a victimless attack apart from some cleaners and other workers in the building) into financial office skyscrapers in order to start culling the bourgeois where they are at their most concentrated in imperialist countries like China or the U$A.
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>>2851856
There can be capitalism without bourgeoisie though. The so called phase D. Engels wrote about this. You are a lib.

>>2851860
I was never saying it would end capitalism but it would make the conditions more favourable for revolution. You are a lib for caring about the financial bourgeois's lives.

>>2851856
sounds like it was an accident bro

>>2851856
Two window panels were damaged. Its over for Deng bros.

we have 9/11 at home:



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The Indian state is claiming that they have defeated the naxals. Is it over?

https://archive.md/20260530081637/https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/30/india/india-maoist-rebel-naxal-free-intl-hnk-dst
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>>2850585
You are quite noticeably ignoring the part where the latent reserve army of labor, which is an important element of keeping down wages, continouously shrinks. Which implies that over time, while industrialization does not necessarily happen at any one point, it must eventually happen.

>>2850550
The Algerian strategy was also very specific. It was led by men who had served in the French military and understood exactly how the French Army operated. The wretched of the Earth and The Battle of Algiers have shaped and distorted many people's perception of the Algerian War. In reality, the FLN often focused on forcing the French into costly wild goose chases, drawing them into the desert, retreating across the border into neighboring Libya and making them expend enormous resources. Shooting out a tire was as valuable as killing a soldier because the objective was to wear down the French through constant attrition. The goal was to drain France's resources, damage its economy and make the war so expensive and unpopular that the French public would no longer support continuing it and that happened.

>>2850705
>Shooting out a tire was as valuable as killing a soldier because the objective was to wear down the French through constant attrition

That's actually good to know. I think the same tactic will work against the US in the coming years.

>>2850749
>>2850705
It's also worth remembering that this was the same strategy the PLO adapted early on and it ultimately didn't work in the Palestinian context. Unlike the FLN that could retreat into vast deserts or remote terrain, Palestinian fighters could only fall back to Jordan and Syria. They also faced a much better-equipped Israeli military and Israel was able to carry out artillery strikes and cross-border raids.




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From my understanding Mao said China will be an industrialised socialist nation by the year 2000, then Deng postponed it to 2050 which is still repeated to this day.

But what does this concretely mean in qualitative terms, how do the relations to production shift? Will the stock market be abolished, private ownership of capital, the three represents system abolished, a planned economy be build? It can't just be more development of the productive forces or building a welfare state or it doesn't mean anything.

So people who think China is actually socialist, can you give government approved sources that prove any intention to build communism?
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>>2850780
>The Chinese
Racial analysis isn't correct

>>2850834
A schizo off the street drunk as shit off baijiu calling for the PLA to storm moscow doesn’t count, the government does

Putin will open the Oldest Vault

>>2848490
That isn't including SOE executives and investors. SOEs are operated as private companies.

>>2847852
we'll all be dead before 2050



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