/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2442085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLlc_hAViY

8:00-9:52 is what you are talking about which is half of the big picture

but what OP says is also correct if you listen to 9:52-10:29 where Marx says precisely that subsistence wages must include the cost of raising children, otherwise the working class would not replace itself on the market.

>>2448589
in hindsight this citation should have been included in the OP to prevent this entire side discussion about whether reproduction of labor is merely about the daily "refreshment" of the worker through their wages paying for rest/food/water/shelter or whether the wages also include the actual cost of raising a child to adulthood. Marx states unambiguously that it includes both, since capitalism isn't a mode of production that just exists for one generation.

>>2448595
I suppose this is one of the motivations behind eugenics. The bourgeoisie do not want to spend the costs of social reproduction on those who do not reproduce. They reverse it and say they want to reward the special people but it's really all about punishing those who are not immiserated through paying for social reproduction.

>I AM A REAL SLAVE, I SWEAR!
untermenschen thread…

>>2439868
It's not an issue to capitalists as a whole that the consumer base declines, just to individual capitalists. All it means is less productive power going towards mass market consumption, and more productive power going towards very labor-rich goods and services (often not even commodities but artisanal products). This is also the outcome of increased productivity from technological advancements, as well as increasing wealth polarization. Basically bourgeois incomes will spend what workers used to spend. This is what we should predict, and the small market shocks that this leads to as production has to re-tool, some capitalists are gobbled up, bourgeois incomes and production of means of production fail to consume the whole surplus at times, etc. But no cataclysmic event horizon of a falling worker consumer base clashing with the need for infinite expansion. There's not really such need, as a whole the market can simply churn as individual capitals strive for infinite growth, and some prevail and some die.

>>2444605
The heritage foundation is a massive influence on removing the age of consent

>>2445146
can you tell us more about what the heritage foundation did?

Epstein apparently had horrible spelling. Look at these emails: https://reason.com/2025/08/27/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-spy-indusry-connections/

>>2459683
IIRC he just used the same username on legal porn sites.

There's a big difference between what he did and using the same username on an illegal porn site. It's not impossible, its just unlikely.

>>2475053
The stars on Communist China's flag represent the unity of revolutionary classes that built Communism in China during the Revolutionary New Democratic Era, not any extant social order

>>2474603
Congrats you invented Distributism. Unfortunately (or fortunately?) the forces of capital seem to trend toward centralization.

>>2474927
Except this is retarded because it was large industry and finance capital which benefited under ᴉuᴉlossnW and Hitler. Petite bourgeois only "benefited" in the sense that the organized left was dead and no one was agitating for wage increases but they still have to deal with getting out-competed by the big corporations.

>>2474603
I think this concept could work in a socialist way if it's something like this: the government deals with distribution and broadcasts production needs, and small producers compete to sell their product to the government. It would be a way to compete against monopolies effectively, and would require some loosening of regulation to ease bureaucratic burdens on small producers, and also a much larger and more active gov arm responsible for quality control and insuring workplace sanitation/safety etc. This is like the toyota way, applied to government (without corruption gimping it).

Right now the government pays huge amounts over private entities for everything, but in reality it holds all the power and could use real competition among bidders to lower prices for themselves, even to the point of requiring disciplining labor or capping profits to meet the price they set.

This could be implemented in a transitional stage, at all levels from the municipal up.

Better then the ACP but also was completely fucked after the 50’s and especially after the Soviet collapse. I heard they were supported by moscow but after the collapse membership halved and many went into trot groups or just gave up entirely. Again this isn’t surprising and I think “ideological purity” might’ve hurt them but from what I have heard they have gotten a lot better over time

>>2464303
I talked about this in the US politics general but also if it wasn’t obvious third parties will never do anything. The only time they have ever gotten off the ground was in the 90’s and that’s because the reform party was lead and created by a oil tycoon CEO, bro was even more Bourgeoisie then trump kek

>>2462986
I've been in CPUSA for a few years now and I have seen it limp along in a diminished state for most of the time. Tailing the dems is painful but accurate, though things could always change. It is always a presence though, on the street in LA and the neighboring counties during a lot of labor/ left actions- SEIU especially. The leadership in LA is a group of wonderful and committed people; they're also quite old. The SD leadership too, is old and, unlike LA, somewhat doctrinaire. (this may be a personal thing i haven't gotten over;) Like all orgs with small core member groups, the death of a senior comrade or otherwise "stepping-back" of a critical organizer can cause quite the ripple effect as well.

As far as the boomer of it all… we can't fight reality. In my super limited extremely personal experience the olds are a more consistent street presence and voting block for run of the mill labor - read of interest to communist - issues and movements. I once watched as a 70+ y/o comrade was arrested (along with a newly elected city council member, neat!) during an LAX shutdown that was orchestrated in support of the striking hotel workers. Hard to describe the feeling of my able and middle aged ass watching the weathered old man be dragged away by teir-1 barney fife. The active young CPUSA members could not, and were in fact encouraged not to make that sacrifice.

lame idiots who actually believe tailing the "national bourgeoisie" is gonna stop fascism I think you can tell how well thats going

radlib retards with a red flag

US officials plan to punish foreigners ‘making light of’ Charlie Kirk death
The statement comes in a wider context of an aggressive crackdown on free speech and dissenting views in the US under the second Trump administration, especially when it comes to campus protests sparked by Israel’s war on Gaza. In a post on X on Thursday morning, the deputy secretary of state, Christopher Landau, wrote that “foreigners who glorify violence and hatred are not welcome visitors to our country” and said he had directed consular officials to “undertake appropriate action” against those deemed to be “praising, rationalizing, or making light of” Kirk’s death on social media.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/christopher-landau-charlie-kirk-foreigners

Politicians and activists cancel events after Kirk killing
GOP leadership is working with the Sergeant at Arms on potential security upgrades, multiple sources told Axios. Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) told reporters Thursday morning that leadership is expediting a planned review of member security. "We have got to protect people running for public office or nobody will," Johnson said. … Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) postponed a Raleigh rally set for Sunday, citing both respect for Kirk and security concerns.
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-hbcu-threats-ben-shapiro
https://archive.ph/dpO6R

House GOP—and 11 Democrats—Pass Bill to ‘Supercharge’ Trump Anti-Migrant Agenda
Introduced by Congresswoman Stephanie Bice (R-Okla.) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), HR 3486 would increase sentences for undocumented immigrants who repeatedly enter the United States illegally or enter the country and then commit a felony. The bill still needs Senate approval to reach the desk of Republican President Donald Trump, who supports it.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/republican-immigration-policy

Josh Kraft, son of bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Salvador Allende Last Words to the Nation
Surely this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the towers of Radio Portales and Radio Corporación. My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath: soldiers of Chile, titular commanders in chief, Admiral Merino, who has designated himself Commander of the Navy, and Mr. Mendoza, the despicable general who only yesterday pledged his fidelity and loyalty to the Government, and who also has appointed himself Chief of the Carabineros [national police]. Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign! Placed in a historic transition, I will pay for loyalty to the people with my life. And I say to them that I am certain that the seed which we have planted in the good conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans will not be shriveled forever. They have strength and will be able to dominate us, but social processes can be arrested neither by crime nor force. History is ours, and people make history. Workers of my country: I want to thank you for the loyalty that you always had, the confidence that you deposited in a man who was only an interpreter of great yearnings for justice, who gave his word that he would respect the Constitution and the law and did just that. At this definitive moment, the last moment when I can address you, I wish you to take advantage of the lesson: foreign capital, imperialism, together with the reaction, created the climate in which the Armed Forces broke their tradition, the tradition taught by General Schneider and reaffirmed by Commander Araya, victims of the same social sector which will today be in their homes hoping, with foreign assistance, to retake power to continue defending their profits and their privileges.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/allende/1973/september/11.htm

September 11 in Chile: How Reformism Disarmed the Working Class in the Face of CIA-Backed Coup
Chile’s September 11 marked the end of an experiment that had begun three years earlier when Allende was elected president. As a democratic socialist, he promised a peaceful and democratic “transition towards socialism” in the framework of the country’s institutions. The governPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna

>>2474817
>September 11 in Chile: How Reformism Disarmed the Working Class in the Face of CIA-Backed Coup
Thanks News Anon. Good to post this rather than the countless boring slop articles that mindlessly glazes Allende's government. Allende undermined the class struggle and his revisionism disarmed the workers ideologically and literally. In such a state, the workers were completely unprepared to defend even bourgeois democracy in the face of imperialism and fascism.

Recommend folks read this book on the subject as well.
https://www.bannedthought.net/Chile/RCPC/Chile-AnAttemptAtHistoricCompromise-Palacios-1979-OCR-sm.pdf

>>2475888
Because they aren't engraved and the FBI is making shit up and because they are podcast bros the shit they make up is terminally online gibberish.

Test

>>2475889
The assassin killed a celestial dragon from one piece and now the marines will genocide le leftards and the real movement and spy on everyone and frame all enemies of the burgerreich as pedophiles (projecting to deflect from the Epstein files)
Kirk was a celestial dragon uygha

>>2475894
An FBI agent wrote "notices bulges, OWO, what's this"?

Huh it seems that tor posting was banned on /latam/

Tyler Robinson was a hoax crisis actor, Kirk was an inside job

>>2460013
Entire KKE's position of "imperialism is when trade" stinks of opportunism.

>>2459481
>fascism is when the violence which Europeans cheered in Africa return home to harm them
And that's a good thing. Not because of some "oh justice must be done, let them have a taste of it". Only purely from a practical standpoint, if they are tied up trying to destroy each other, they have less free resources to kill the world. Or rather it's just a simple byproduct of their waning status, dominance.

>>2460458
Actually it returns to kill the nonwhites at home. And communists, for being in the way.

You're falling for the "citizen" sleight of hand where who counts as part of the body of the empire is selectively applied for each circumstance.

>>2460478
You are right, to a degree.
"and that's a good thing" is too reductive, naive. I had just woken up and wanted to make some basic shitpost, I suppose.
However, the argument that violence hits "the wrong people" is, to me, impermissible. People (fundamentally, us, the workers) that are already worse off, get more shit thrown their way. It's been true and it remains true in all the history of history. Of course, communists and so on are targeted (that too, is the nature of the beast), I have my own thought on that, essentially I do not believe in an american/western left as a real entity. I can be convinced otherwise, if someone were to show it to me.
So, sorry but it is time for the egg to meet the omelet and stop terrorizing everyone.

>>2460486
>>2459449
I wanna bring up this for a sec now as well.
See, we can talk normally. As shrimple as that.
If you have a fit about "Black Hitlerites" however, you get the corresponding response.

I've read it, and my opinion is that your poetry lacks rhyme and euphony in some parts. It had me wonder a little how it'd sound if the voice of a restless soul would recite it.

The sunset, a glorious sight
Its a pity it preludes the night

I Agree with the other anon, it could use more rhyming. But overall it's a nice poem with fun imagery and a neat message

I'm gonna have to sage unfortunately cuz this really should be in the OC thread

Cute poem but the message kinda loses its meaning since predators are necessary to maintain a sustainable pool of the preys in the ecosystem otherwise they devour their way to extinction, which shouldn't be the case with real societies. Predators in the wild are as as much of nature as the preys are and faces the same existential conditions as the critters they're munching on, thus making them a terribly analogy to the rulling class, those that don't even exist in the same material condition as the mass making them synonymous with another species entirely. A rabbit is ever so meek and weak for those that aren't are killed, it's a survival mechanism evolved entirely by chance under the terrorizing of larger animals, it's an inherent trait of the animal, no point in "going against it" for the anatomy is perfectly designed for such environment. We're are meager and agreeable by design for the elites weaponize starvation as a mean to cull out the intelligent ones during mass casualties events, since a more focused brain built costs more energy, as well as many other factors. This is somewhat true but in bad taste

>we are prey
speak for yourself, weakling.
(also i would look into biological mutualism to better understand ecosystems).

>>2429113
Cringe

It is not inevitable that we will win. That is mechanistic materialism. Unless we can simulate all the particles in the universe we can't know what will happen in the future, only predict. It is socialism or barbarism, not socialism after barbarism.

>>2475519
everything is barbaric.

>>2475138
the armchair lasagna guy

Lenin didn't sit around hopefagging while doing absolutely nothing, the implication of the phrase is that people would actually do things and work towards advancing the movement since the material condition of the post-capitalistic system would inevitably arise demands for communism as a viable and only solution. Of course this is bait anyways but many modern leftists rely on the principle that a few good ones will do the bulk of the dirty work, be it setting up the foundations and educating the mass or other exhaustive tasks, while they paid zero in contribution. It isn't by a surprise only a deranged right wing radicalized groyper schizo with incoherent ideologies and metal in his backs can kill kirk and get away with it. A leftist would have turned the gun around themselves or missed like a retard and give the target best pr shot ever in recorded history, dooming the movement into obscurity

>>2475588
Whatever you say, liberal

>>2474972
Zeus?

n his "Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right" (1843) and, more explicitly, in its Introduction (published in 1844), Karl Marx argues that rights do not come from abstract ideas, God, nature, or reason (as claimed by philosophers like Hegel, Locke, or Rousseau). Instead, he posits a materialist and social origin:

Rights arise from the material conditions and social relations of a given society, and they primarily serve to protect the interests of the dominant economic class.

Marx's primary target is Hegel's idealist doctrine that the state (and its laws and rights) is the manifestation of rational ethical life (Sittlichkeit) and the highest expression of freedom.

Inversion of Hegel: Marx performs a "materialist inversion" of Hegel. For Hegel, the Idea (or Reason) develops and manifests itself in the family, civil society (the realm of economics), and finally the state. The state is the culmination and purpose of this development.

Marx's View: Marx argues that Hegel has it backwards. The state and its legal concepts (like rights) do not determine the structure of civil society; instead, the material realities of civil society—the economic relationships, the class structure, and the system of private property—give rise to and determine the form of the state and its laws.

To put it succinctly, in the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, Marx argues rights come from:

The Material Base: The economic structure of society (e.g., capitalist private property) is the real foundation.

Social Relations: The relationships between classes (bourgeoisie vs. proletariat, lords vs. serfs) determine what needs to be legally protected.
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Rights are part of the bourgeois concept of self that was created to protect private property. But the American constitution is supposed to limit the government's imposition of your 'natural rights,' so I always thought it sounded similar to how Walz framed Iran's concept of rights. A lazy demonization

>>2462088
My opinion is that that's based and theist anarchism pilled

>>2475162
good post