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>Know this, I will not let anyone force me to feel respect for this pig (Marx) or his totalitarian disciples, nor for the toilet paper known as his texts…
Actual response from an anarchoid I had when bringing up that Capital is a fundamental - crucial text worth studying and that has been studied even by anarchists such as Carlo Cafiero, mind you I am an also an anarchist, but the hostility of the majority of the declassed towards any notion of learning from the communist movement or tending towards the proletariat is so vile it feels like trying to perform exorcism.
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>>2289936

Okay, good. That should make things far easier for you here then, sir.

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>>2289517
the problem is capitalism the solution is communism, both anarchists and marxists agree. marx said we need a dotp and transition period but its possible that a more anarchist decentralized and fast transition would both be more appealing to highly individualized workers in places like america and appropriate given the level of productive development in the imperial core. but whether or not it is necessary or correct is determined by practice not pontificating about it on obscure internet forums. as an anarcho-tankist i would certainly not be taking up arms to wreck whatever movement happens to successfully organizes the proletariat even if its not my preferred one. its much preferable to be a respectful left opposition to communists to keep them focused on the end goal or a right opposition to anarchists to keep them realistic than it is to be in prison or a ditch under fascism. as long as the material conditions continue to improve whoever wins gets support.


>>2289851
>>2289857
"Totalitarian" is a word that means a million different things to a million different people, and as such means nothing at all. Anyone who identifies as a totalitarian is likely a deeply unserious larper who chooses politics based on aesthetics.

>Inb4 ah yes, believe that I am just an unserious larper! This way, you won't know my true intentions! Fool!

I called you an unserious larper because you are one. Doing your best supervillian impression only further demonstrates why.

>>2289890
Upper-class people go for "degenerate" things because most people want them, they just can't have them and have decided to/been taught to cope. Even the most seemingly ascetic power structures, in reality, have seldom been about preventing "vice", and instead allowing those in power to monopolize pleasure for themselves. For more information, I refer you to the history of the Catholic Church.



 

Are Uyghurs actually worse than regular normies?

This is an important distinction, since the reactionary camp encompasses two types of people.

1. Normie operating on instinct
2. Entrenched cultist with ideological conviction

For example, America is full of the first kind. I wouldn't expect your regular American Christian to oppose life extension through science, because they wouldn't be ideologically consistent enough in their worldview to want that. Their fear of death or inconvenience in the moment outweighs the abstract possibility of heaven in their mind, creating a sort of instinctive doublethink. For such people, religion is an expression of autopilot conformity. They don't have agency are more like red blood cells in the social organism rather than something to be exterminated.

Keep in mind, I have massive contempt for the first type of reactionary. Unfortunately, they are the VAST majority in every society, and the "socialization" solution for this majority is only achievable through careful sustained effort (as the USSR learned the hard way). If the Uyghurs are a variant of this first type of person, then overkill persecution isn't necessary and won't achieve much (aside from bad optics).

HOWEVER, if they are like the second group - Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, or other moralizing fundies who would prevent us from playing god with science, they deserve everything they get and more.

Most of what I know about these people is from heavily biased sources. Do we have any objective proof that Uyghurs belong to the second category of fundamentalist reactionaries? I have no stake in this matter, and am open to a convincing argument on why they people actually suck.
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>>2288843
that's based on "western verification" process, smartass. people have lived with old registries that the western institutions don't acknowledge as legitimate.

>>2288920
>>2288917
>>2288915
t. succdemagogery
I hate the hassan pikes
I hate the kyle kulinskys
I hate bad empanadas..
they can die in a fire.

Another day on leftypol, another AI-generated sinophobia thread outside of the prc-general.


>>2289045
At least this one's actually written by a human. The AI shit is soulless and you can kinda tell



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Let's talk about Chinese military-cops (PAP) and how they died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_People%27s_Armed_Police_personnel_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

There's a lot of diversity here. A lot of drownings. And since many had roles as firefighters, plenty of fire deaths. There's also a decent amount killed by drug traffickers and in Uyghur terrorism. And a ton of heart attacks and vehicle accidents.

I suspect some recent years are missing data.
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>>2286524
>Let's talk about Chinese military-cops (PAP) and how they died.
Why? What kind of glowops is this?

>>2288774
These bitches give chase for further distances and with greater aggression than your average wasp. They are very territorial and in addition to the excrutiating, flesh-eating venom, they also have jaws strong enough to bite through a lot of materials. They also will remember your face, so good luck with future fades.

When they live past eighty, the mortality rate becomes very high, but there's no clear reason, they've concealed these things.

>>2288957
I have no fucking idea, but mods seems happy to let garbage pile on in leftypol

>>2289107
>please curate! no fun allowed!
You don't belong here. This is not an insult.



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Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
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>>2287086
Yeah, only way things can go forward without fizzling out is if we force elections and if we do that there are two outcomes
>First outcome: We win, fair and square, Vučić concedes
>Second outcome (more likely): Vučić rigs elections, entire nation rises, he is forced to step down in similar event to 5th October (I just hope we don't get aftermath similar to 5th October albeit, though I don't see it since students are unironically more anti-west than Vučić)

>>2289462
the actions of the first wave of protests were universally condemned and the attackers were labeled provocateurs and agents of the SNS
>>2289465
I have said this many times over the course of 2 months on this thread that the working class truly have been neglected by the protestors. Not even the Zbors (correct me if im wrong) had any actual influence over the events of the protests. Politically, the movement is bankrupt (see that cunt of a pro-israeli professor on hunger strike everyone is freaking out over). Not one truly progressive demand was demanded. We are utterly fucked.

>>2289462
What did the 3rd November protest accomplish? The city hall storming was quite pointless and due to the opposition's reaction to the events, the vibe was that the protests are going to be short, like the ones in December 2023.

>>2289672
Are chuds right? Does nothing ever happen

>>2289724
Nothingeverhappeners are burned out of years where things looked like would happen but then nothing ever happened. Now they don't except anything to happen ever, even when things have just happened.



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>>2289566
>pretty boy

New thread, oldfriends >>2289596

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>>2289582
very nice, let's hear some more theories

>>2289599
he almost lost his eye the same way dan cumshot crenshaw did

>>2289590
I like that he’s just straight up talking about his dad here



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Given that most governments are imposed on to citizens through armed force, it is the responsibility of citizens to separate and protect themselves from hostile societies and their own government. To do this, they would need to own weapons, home defence, their own homes, have their identities and personal information blocked hidden away from government and foreign entities, have their own places to store their belongings, and be in a physical state where they can fight. Depending on your beliefs, either none of this requires any change in economic policy, or if you’re a materialist, none of this requires an organized society-spanning revolt to force self defence in mass. Only that any government’s or really any armed group’s control over a population is kept to an absolute minimum under the legitimate threat that it would deal with armed resistance if it overstepped what its citizens or allies were willing to tolerate.

For some materialists, this armed society is the only one where any real socialist movements is possible, because any collective effort made in this society has material reasons to be near completely consensual among all members
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ever hear of the social contract?
the unfortunate yet undeniable fact of things is that people get the government they deserve. the state is not an external entity to a populace, but its own political expression.

>>2289243
Tell that to the billions who’ve had to and still live under kleptocratic and blatantly extractive regimes between now and the Cold War era of dictators

>le government and citizen separation
libshit

>>2289508
yes, slaves choose to submit to their masters. its a sick fact of life.

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>>2289527
You can say stuff like that in your sleep



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>Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλός. ὁ ποιμὴν ὁ καλὸς τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ τίθησιν ὑπὲρ τῶν προβάτων


How is not this just communism? The church is the vanguard party planning and doing good for the peons.

Is communism just another neoplatonism sect that will end up being some sort of religion? I mean Christianity at first must have been better than whatever existed till then otherwise it wouldn't have replaced the rest. And you have to really believe in some marxist shit like theory of value etc.

The orthodox doctrine on governance is literally to cuck out to any government that is ruling over you. Vanguard? Lmao.

>>2289269
Now of course it's like that, like all legalized communist parties btw. But at first it wasn't like that, there was struggle.

>>2289267
I mean lifestyle anarchism is a religion but social anarchism/Marxism doesn't really have any moral system other than economic self interest of Proletarians

>>2289286
>Marxism doesn't really have any moral system other than economic self interest of Proletarians
Notice that when MLs do try to justify a moral proscription they look to what ML states did at various times. But they did a lot of things that don't have a direct relationship to the ideology, because they needed to boost birth rates or something, and it's hard to find anything really in the ideology itself that tells people how to raise a family or have sex which is what religions are about. Maybe not financially exploit your family members, but otherwise, I struggle to find anything.

>>2289286

*collective economic interest of the proletariat

>>2289365

Dear enemy, I opine that the relative ethical underdetermination of marxism (besides "overthrow capitalism/build socialism") is mainly to do with the fact that Marx & Engels put a lot more effort into the "descriptive" aspect of their worldview.

To some degree they even argued that it wouldn't be possible to provide more than a broad sketch of what socialism should look like.

This in large part is what allows to be such profound enemies despite both being students of marxism. We may both desire socialism, but the ultimate aims that we wish for socialism to achieve are fundamentally irreconcilable.



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>>2286989
he posted on the rhizzone and SA lmaoooo. Non 0 chance he posted here at some point

>>2289010
You're a disgrace to the flag, dude.

>>2289440
tempting


Elias is probably going to get federal hate crime charges. Same for the guy who molotov'd the Israel parade. This will be sure to reignite the age old debate on "Are Jews White?"



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>To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

So what's your excuse anon? why are you a liberal?
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>>2286361
students are the bourgeois of the future, shut the fuck up idiot. just imagine comparing this group to the disabled and other people who are unable to work holy shit


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>>2286385
you arent supposed to attach a political catechism to every single thing you say lol

in the case of the proletariat, its not about preaching to them its about necessity. their material conditions drive them to act

now im not saying the labor movement doesnt need education it absolutely does. but that education has to go hand in hand with active participation in the struggle. the proletariat learn the most through their direct experiences, and as they come to understand their real interests, they tend to align with communist more organically

that kind of connection simply doesnt usually happen with other classes. other classes are in a position where theyre not driven to participate in the same way

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>>2286377
5 to 7 years of free labor vs. a wage every month. Go choke on a gourd, you fucking anencephalic infant, and go outside and talk to people. Trash like you makes the sewer I live in a perfumes store at the mall.

>>2281412
>So what's your excuse anon? why are you a liberal?
Sperging out to family and friends or even worse random people about communism is not only harmful but also waste of time. Good propaganda is viral memes etc. mass marketing methods.



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Listen up, everybody! You need to read these two articles (right now!!! ) and then send them to everyone you know. Look, Marxist theory is fine, it’s got its place, but if you’re not paying attention to what’s happening in the world today, you’re missing a huge chunk of the story. Naomi Klein nails it in her article about end times fascism (except the part where she says we need to fight it with the power of love and friendship). She breaks down the twisted ideology we’re actually up against. And let me be clear: this isn’t just old-school capitalism. This is a full-blown, multi-layered death cult, and if we don’t wake up, it’s going to take us all down.

We should be furious. You see how right-wing conspiracy theorists are out there, flooding the internet with wild, sensational stories about liberals being the anti-christ and killing babies? Well, guess what, the real conspiracy is right in front of us. These right-wing death cults are actively trying to wreck the world and drag us all into the apocalypse. That’s not hyperbole. It's reality.

So why aren’t we matching that energy? Why aren’t we flooding every feed, every platform, with the truth about what’s actually happening? It’s time to get loud. It’s time to call this out for what it is. If we don’t, who will?

Two articles:

1) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/13/end-times-fascism-far-right-trump-musk

2) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff




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>>2287831
>broke uygha flag
Opinion discarded

>>2287818
I'm not finding anything for "network cities" on ddg. Do you mean "woven cities"?

the users on the site are the most obnoxious dogmatic faggots ive ever seen, with transhumanist mods as a cherry on top. unsufferable

>>2288672
There might be more information on this form other sources but this was a video I found insightful.

https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

>>2288914
thanks for sharing



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