/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2563408
there's a lot of 'definitions' of what 'communism' is as a mode of governance or a state of affairs, but one that I personally find useful is that Communists understand politics as essentially class warfare, as a fundamentally adversarial relationship between 'Capitalists' - those who 'own' the 'means of production', things like factories, housing, equipment, land, resources, but do not need to perform labor to survive - and the 'Proletariat' or 'Workers' - those that do not own property, but must sell their labor to the capitalist class to survive.

the power dynamics at play mean that the Capitalist class will always pay the Proletariat less than the actual value of their labor, keeping the majority of the value that the laborers created for the Capitalist class as Profit. If they did not do this, they would by definition not have any profit whatsoever. but since they do, the capitalist class has more resources with which to control and direct society.

so Communists, using this analytical framework, seek to engage equally in this class warfare on behalf of the Proletariat rather than the Capitalists. Communists seek a 'class dictatorship of the proletariat', or a state of government that serves the needs and interests of the Proletariat rather than those of the Capitalist class. This often looks something like a representative democracy in function, the difference is in the domination of the capitalist class by the proletariat class, rather than vice versa under capitalism. where a capitalist democracy is ruled by those with the most money (and therefore power/influence over media/social life/the material conditions that reproduce society), a proletarian democracy is ruled by a Communist Party which is constituted such as to reduce the influence of the Capitalist class, with strict ideological requirements and vetting of prospective members, and maintaining democratic rather than private control over the means of production.

>>2564309
historically illiterate, ignoring the massive, massive amounts of capitalist repression of emerging socialist governments. your argument is basically 'Well the nazis are so good at fighting i guess its a bad idea to fight them', pure cowardice, self-serving nihilism, imperialist apologia at worst.

>>2564330
I will be honest, I would not fight the nazis if I had no chance of winning. Would I sacrifice myself if life under nazism was dogshit? Maybe. But you cannot ignore that most communist faults are self-inflicted. Infighting and forcing everything to be under one umbrella creates so many unsolvable problems. Imagine trying to regulate every facet of your body, the breathing, the sweating, the digestion, your brain would be exhausted if not dead from overwork. And yet AES countries did exactly that. Notice how the socialist countries that had higher standards of living allowed for more independence.

Ukrtankanon, champsoc, you wanna get in on this? The dog pile looks like the Pentagon's new target and I can't be arsed to config DeepSeek to generate counter Claude content.

>>2563786
Flat out lies, given that the Soviet Union industrialized, that China went from a war torn shithole, to a nuclear power shit hole, then to a technological juggernaut approximating Western demsocs without electoralism.

Honestly, at this point, thank you for convincing me that Trotskyites should succeed somewhere in the West, just to break the Western propaganda line and give strength to socialist movements, as much as the Russian and Chinese revolutions broke the capitalist cordon in semi periphery and periphery countries.

Je pense sincèrement que la France sera le premier pays où le néolibéralisme s'effondrera. Réfléchissez : il y a trois factions au sein du gouvernement français : les néolibéraux traditionnels (Macron), les fascistes (Le Pen) et la gauche. Le gouvernement français doit encore se préoccuper de sa dette car il utilise l'euro et ne possède pas de monnaie nationale. Cette dette pourrait entraîner un défaut de paiement et l'effondrement du pays. Les néolibéraux n'auront d'autre choix que de laisser le pouvoir aux fascistes ou à la gauche. Le reste de l'UE ne laissera pas les fascistes prendre le pouvoir. Les opérations militaires en Afrique pèsent trop lourd sur les finances publiques. À terme, le gouvernement devra réduire drastiquement tous les programmes sociaux. Lorsque cela arrivera, le peuple se révoltera. Les Français ne sont pas comme les Burgers : ils se battront même pour une petite partie de leurs pensions de retraite. L'effondrement du gouvernement français rappellera celui du Pacte de Varsovie.

>>2559634
>Le reste de l'UE ne laissera pas les fascistes prendre le pouvoir
HAHAHAHAHAHA
hilarant, tu fais du stand up?

>>2559619
>crying about a drunk soldier killing your father, healing people indiscriminately, or boasting about killing soldiers crushing your revolution is being a traitor
hope the future communards will put you against the wall too

>>2559619
You missed the point of the song. It takes place during the last days of the suppression of the Commune. The point is that the suppression is so blind that they're just killing anyone they can get their hands on: Friends of the Commune, Foes of the Commune, and neutrals alike.

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>>2564613
Sore throat don?

>>2564580
Oh. So of course Thiel's gay too. I'm getting real tried of these literal faggots ruining everything.

>>2564630
can't use that word, too sexist! this is a tumblr friendly space

>>2564580
I’m pretty sure our ruling class are just sexual hedonist. They got the money to afford whatever hole they want at anytime a day.

>>2563732
Apart from housing and healthcare all of that would be wildly unpopular.

>>2563607
USA

1. Universal health care. Start with single-payer (Medicare for All) then expand to full nationalization. Cut long-term costs by emphasizing preventative care.
2. Massive public housing program. Vienna on steroids. Housing should be so good that everyone wants to live in it. Full unconditional housing should be the goal. Should look aesthetically pleasing for PR purposes.
3. Nationwide high speed rail connecting all lower 48 states. Should be cheap and fast enough to compete with airlines.
4. Reinvestment in NASA, funded by seizing all of Elon Musk's assets. First goal should be a second moon landing.
5. Permanent revival and expansion of the Civilian Conservation Corps, acting as a full training and employment program.

>>2563607
Country: Argentina

1. Massive development of football public infrastructure

2. Massive nationalization of meat industry and weekly distribution of free asado in government plazas, effectively turning them in the de facto core of the life of the people

3. Massive propaganda psyop campaign that will convince people that Argentina has effective control over the malvinas, while throwing free meat and football players at the UK in order to make them shut up

4. Lunfardo as official government language, pertaining bureaucracy, law, education… Massive pressure to the UN to teach translators lunfardo in order to use it in international councils

5. Massive psyop campaign that will target the capital and convince it that its exorbitant privilege is entirely legitimate, while at the same time deploying a parallel campaign in the provinces that will convince people that the state is actually decentralizing, while in reality absolutely nothing is being done but everyone's happy

>>2563607
>[realistic] political positions
so literally anything already existing bourgeois parties already propose? lol

>anti-immigration but not anti-immigrant
literally all countries to different degrees let acceptable immigrants in and kick out the undesirables already

cool thread man

>>2549932
>What's stopping me from turning around, taking the whip and whipping they instead?

The fear of getting whipped again. I don't care how tough you are, it won't take more than a few good licks on the bare back with a bullwhip or a birch switch to drive all those silly thoughts of rebellion out of your mind and make you realize what is actually most important to you in your life, which is to not get whipped again.

1. divide and conquer
- incentivize atomized, subservient behavior cooperative to occupation
- punish or remove the strong, charismatic, intelligent and outspoken
- this creates levels of privilege and misery, with the goal of not falling further down, and maybe being able to climb up. The outcome is controlled by the ruling class, putting them in charge of the actions of any rational and self-serving individual

2. supremacy ideology
- with the material foundation of drastic differences in living condition, convince both the ruling and ruled classes of fundamental differences that must cause this division. The rulers are superior and untouchable, the ruled are weak, stupid, and selfish
- the rulers see the condition of the oppressed as natural
- the ruled believe there's no way they could ever beat the rulers
- some ruled worship or want to become the rulers, despising their own class. It creates solidarity among the rulers and dissolves solidarity among the ruled

3. manipulating people with the effects of trauma
- use terror and deprivation on the ruled to make them obedient, make them grateful to barely (but at least) survive
- makes individuals less outgoing, therefore less likely to organize
- keep them only thinking about survival, and the easiest way to survive the next day is to obey and not do anything differently than before
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just 2 reasons really

1) Raw strength; the ruling class is obviously better equipped to militarily enforce their will land defend their interests, whereas proles literally have nothing and getting guns is hard

2) Ideology; as if the previous point weren't already enough, the majority of people nowadays absolutely love the system they live under (completely consciously and willingly) and are dumb enough to think its interests coincide with theirs. That's how you get people going around spewing constructive criticism of capitalism out of their mouths.

>>2547502
organization, discipline
why do you think communists are obsessed with those? because this is the source of power

>>2553610
A method to oevrcome all those forms of control has never been found and probably will never be. But it is not required as history shows. Good post though
>>2557273
Raw strength has limits. It is constrained by legitimacy. As for ideology, I don't think people love the system. They just believe there's no other way
>>2557523
This discipline and organization is nowhere to be seen. Long gone are the days of thousands of common people organized meaningfully

Not Syria, Turkey peace process stuff but can someone please explain me what he meant by this? I was lost before even the Mandani stuff.
We are socialists, alhamdulillah
<Ege Cansen
The intellectual property of this striking title belongs to Yunus Emre Erdölen, one of the writers of "Freedom ." I congratulate him. Before continuing, as is our custom, I will attempt to delve into the roots of some words. Words are the building blocks of understanding, thinking, and generating ideas. Correct ideas are constructed with the right words. The original meaning of words changes over time. More accurately, people ascribe meanings to them that suit their convenience. Because humans are economic. One form of economic behavior is not taking responsibility for things you cannot do. "Elhamdulillah " does not mean "Thank God," but "I praise God ." This translation was made by the literary scholar Hamdullah Suphi (1885-1966). He took the Turkish equivalent of the Arabic name "Hamdullah" (Turkish: Tanrıöver) as his surname. Hamt(d) is derived from the root "h, m, d." It means praise or exaltation. Muhammad (Mehmet), Ahmed, Mahmut, and so on, all come from this root. Gratitude does not come from the same root. The English equivalent of "Elhamdulillah " is "Praise (the) God ." Hallelujah also has the same meaning. The prophets told their believers, "Do not deify yourself, anyone, or me by praising or boasting, but praise Almighty God ." They added, "The rules of life (the sharia) I have communicated are not my commandments, but God's." Thus, they did not assume the responsibility of rewarding those who adhere to the rules they communicated and punishing those who do not. This attitude is rational, that is, economic. In another article, I will discuss the economic aspects of the expressions "salamun aleykum" and "aleykum selam."

He is a revolutionist

Zohran Mamdani, a 34-year-old Ugandan-born Indian Shia Muslim, has been elected mayor of New York City as the Democratic Party's candidate. Mamdani met his secular Muslim wife on an online dating site and married her. He describes himself as a socialist who supports the rights of minorities, women, and gays. In a city with a large Jewish population like New York, he has openly supported Palestinians. Despite the widespread fear of Islam and socialism (read: communism) among white Americans, he has made neithPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2536818
what do you guys think is going on here?
Talal Silo to Rudaw: I am ready to return to the ranks of the SDF through negotiation.
Talal Silo, the former spokesman for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), expressed his readiness to return to the SDF ranks "through negotiation or humanitarian work aimed at preventing war" with Damascus, stressing that he is still in contact with leading figures in the SDF for the purpose of reassurance and friendship.

Salou defected from the Syrian Democratic Forces in 2017, heading to areas controlled by the Free Army factions north of Aleppo at that time, and then left for Türkiye.

Silo, who was given the rank of "colonel," indicated his refusal to play an "offensive" role against the Syrian Democratic Forces, noting that he is currently "threatened" by Ankara.

During the interview with Rudaw, conducted by presenter Dilbakhwin Dara, he confirmed his readiness to visit areas of northern and eastern Syria, such as the cities of Qamishli, Hasakah and Raqqa, provided that there are “special arrangements to preserve his life,” expressing his desire to settle in the Kurdish city of Afrin because it is “beautiful and its people are hospitable.”

Below is the text of the dialogue:

Rudaw: We welcome Colonel Talal Silo, the former spokesperson for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). He later defected and went to Turkey, a move that sparked much controversy and reaction, but he did not wish to antagonize the SDF. Now, he has returned to the forefront with his interviews and statements. I felt it was important at this sensitive time to conduct a special interview with him. My guest is Colonel Talal Silo, the former spokesperson for the Syrian Democratic Forces, from Aleppo. Welcome, Colonel, I hope you are well. Before you became the SDF spokesperson, after you left, and even now, I have been following you closely. I want to start with the final question: Are you prepared to return to the ranks of the SDF?

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topkek. gg. get rekt.
The Damascus administration is alleged to have handed over 'Uyghur jihadists' to China.
According to the report, a diplomatic source stated that the number of people to be handed over was 400 jihadists.

It is known that tens of thousands of foreign “jihadists” flocked to Syria, especially through Türkiye, during the civil war between 2011 and 2024.

A Syrian government source, who asked to remain anonymous due to sensitivity, said the situation of Uyghur fighters was raised in meetings with Foreign Minister Assad al-Shabani in China.

It remains unknown whether such a step will be taken. The interim government's actions to date raise serious questions. Since the beginning of the Syrian war, tens of thousands of foreigners have flocked to Syria, particularly to join groups affiliated with ISIS and al-Qaeda.

In June, it was reported that the US had conditionally approved a plan prepared by Syria's new government to integrate thousands of former foreign jihadists into the national army. US President Donald Trump's special envoy for Syria, Thomas Barrack, stated that Washington had given the green light on the condition that the process be conducted with "full transparency."

It was stated that within the scope of the plan, approximately 3,500 foreign "warriors" of Uyghur origin, mostly from China and surrounding countries, would join the newly established 84th Division of the Syrian Army.

When asked by Reuters in Damascus, “Does the US approve of the inclusion of foreign fighters in the new Syrian army?” Thomas Barrack responded, “I can say that there is an agreement based on transparency.”

>>2564002
Related:

>Syria reiterated its commitment to the One-China principle, reaffirming that Taiwan is an integral part of the People’s Republic of China and an inalienable part of its territory.

>He emphasized his concern for China’s security interests and affirmed that Syria will not be a source of threat to China, nor will it allow any entities to use its territory for activities that could harm China’s security, sovereignty, or interests.
This is probably referring to uyghur jihadists in Syria.

>China also affirmed its support for Syria’s developmental path, which aligns with its national conditions, and stressed that the occupied Syrian Golan is Syrian land, whose status is recognized by the international community.

https://xcancel.com/syrianmofaex/status/1990404428214464647

>>2564002
so nothingburger?

>>2563305
Its CPC mister Langley.

>>2554839
Maybe Chinese just dont care about western opinions and instead focus on cooperating with 3rd world countries.

>>2554844
respond to what and why.
If the west had a organized and sound comparty with a shot to take power it would make sense for the chinese to fund propaganda thinktanks etc for them but you dont what are they supposed to fund propaganda for you to win internet arguments better they spend it on a bridge somewhere.

>>2563639
I dont see any massive pro-China agitation in the 3rd world either. And if it there was it would also be on the internet for all the world to see and experience as well.

>>2563436
Mutual aid with Nazis will only end with a bigger mess than you started off with

>>2563559
>the entire reason I'm a Marxist is to get away from Marxism
>Sino-Marxism, yes
>Chinese ultranationalism, just fascism ino-Marxism, yes, in new garb.
<Fascism in a new garb is when internationalism
GO kill yourself autonomist stalinist shit chauvinist in one nation, I fuck your mother anticommunist retard, CHINA WORLD-WIDE, CHINA NUMBER ONE I FUCK YOUR NATLIBTARDED FAMILY

>>2563559
Marxism in one basement, FUCK STALIN, FUCK YOU TOO, CHINA WORLD WIDE, INTERNATIONAL. STALINIST USSR FAIL, MAOIST CHINA BECOME GREATEST AES IN THE WORLD.

>>2563559
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down with first worldism
down with third worldism
up with second worldism
all countries will become second world countries due to multipolarity. third world countries will be uplifted to be like China and Russia. first world countries will be humbled to be like China and Russia.

The garden and jungle will wither, and only the forest will remain!

>>2562816
some countries do this already (ex: in mexicos constitution)

>>2490704
>No future American president can ever unbreak what Trump has already destroyed in the first eight months of his presidency
wtf i love trump now

>>2367946
"Lenin is condemned by modern Trotskyist PMC history 😏"…"🫨 wait no, you have to ignore the satanic New World Order of pedophile globalists who force children to spend hundreds of dollars to buy those history textbooks from the Zionist agent Robert Maxwell. We need to talk about pre-1992 history actually, REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

>>2491487
>Robert Maxwell
Who?

>>2526877
Mossad agent