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who cares, communists will just organize around some other name for a while (iskra, rabocheye dyelo, zarya etc)

Their form of communism was imported by the soviet, it wans't a genuine grassroot movement, more like a top down change that many didn't like it or accepted that well, no wonder some people still salty about it

>we have to ban the 300 strong party that's done literally zero illegal actions because communidum scary
poland is more authoritarian than the ruskis lol

>>2582491
>poland is more authoritarian than the ruskis lol
truth nuke
>>2582442
puke nuke



 

Doesn't the fact that CHINA has multiple STOCK exchanges, prove that its CAPITALIST? How do le elder scroll ones explain this? Even old turn of the century imperial germany was closer to socialism than modern day China.
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Maoist-Bordigist Alliance (do total economic transition right now!!!) VS the Dengist-Stalinist Alliance (10,000 years of McDonalds and Stock Markets until we press the socialism button!!!) in this thread and neither side will convince the other it seems.
What does it achieve?

>>2582904
>and it isn't a state of affairs
A state of affairs to be established. Communism in practice already manifests today as the proletarian association and struggle, as dormant as it is.

>>2582932
There's almost no difference between Mao and Deng, lol. Mao already favored the peasantry and national bourgeoisie, what Deng did is just the inevitable conclusion.

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>>2582034
>I'm not an American or Chinese
How iz dat possible?!?!

>>2582504
>because god forbid subhuman orientals do capitalism better than the herrenvolk
Isn't that the problem? Why would a socialist not living in China celebrate Chinese capitalism?



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>OMG IM SOOOOO EDGY AND COOL IM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GIRLS IM DIFFRENT
>im a socialist that means i own the heckin libs
>im also SOOOO anti israel
>*no video on gaza*
>HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN CHARLIE KIRKKK'S DEATH YOUR A MONSTER THAT MAN HAD A HECKIN FAMILY
how is this dumb whore still even relevant(/isg/)
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>>2583756
like it or not she is every one of her videos gets at least a million views in the first day

>>2584188
That doesn't make her relevant that makes her a micro eceleb

>>2583719
Her being a retarded pick-me is entirely contingent on her being a woman. She should specifically be called sexist insults to reiterate that she doesn't get away with being a retarded cunt just because she belongs to some minority group. And yes the same goes for black people, uncle toms should absolutely be called coons or the n-word, at least on forums like these

>>2584188
Millions of views look like a lot until you realize just how many people there are. Making the obviously untrue assumptions that literally all of her viewers are from the US, real, and have watched each video once (youtube treats repeat views as separate, with some limitations in place to make it so that you can't refresh the page to cheat your viewcount to a trillion), her most viewed video would have been seen by less than 3% of the population. That's nothing; definitely not enough to move the needle politically.

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why are all these grifter egirls mid af with that chipmunk type face



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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2568483
Undervalued currency means a currency that isn't allowed to be traded freely on the market, and upon which a downward pressure is exerted by the govt that issues the currency.

>>2568491
No infinite value engines exist in economics, just like no perpetual engines exist in physics. "Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine. And we know for a fact that's bullshit, Marx went over examples of such machines in the first chapter of Kapital

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>>2563763
>one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD!
In the Manifest Marx and Engels are explicit: Equal liability of all to work. 100% employment is explicit socialist policy. Like your image says, the US and UK freaked out about the ITO charter for a reason.

>>2568676
>"Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine
I'm not sure I follow.

>>2568483
>They didn't, they got outcompeted by native producers of numerous nations who did the same job cheaper, most notable example of such a nation being China.
once again, you're acting like that's a mutually exclusive explanation. America outsourced BECAUSE they got outcompeted, and America's reserve currency strategy dictated letting this problem get worse because they followed an import based strategy rather than an export based strategy. Past declining empires like the British and Dutch made similar mistakes. The reserve currency thing isn't a meme. These problems all feed into each other. Imperial core capitalists also become seekers of interest and rent, rather than profit, through the process of financialization, which is another reason the industrial base in the imperial core declines. You win power by being more productive, but then once you're at the top you refuse to stay productive, and instead rest on your imperialist laurels, seeking rent and interest, outsourcing production, letting up-and-coming nations outcompete you, and letting money printer go Brrrr because you think you can coup and sanction everyone to death forever.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2576720
all porkies are class conscious lol

>>2576294 (me)
Continuing with my boring exploration.

I know the hydraulic procedure does not have any prices, but could we do a scalar evaluation of the resources after they got assigned with this procedure, just on the basis of the assignment pattern? (You know, for the accountants.) We could simply do this: For a resource, we look at which pseudo-firm received some of it and just add all these pseudo-firms' RAP scores together. It seems to me that, ''within the constraints that we neither look at excess stocks nor at the request forms nor anything else besides the assignment pattern, this is actually the most fitting measure we can do. If this measure feels weird, it's really due to the method the measure was made for.

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>>2578921
if they were truly class conscious they wouldn't be their own gravediggers

>>2583286
anon this anlysis fails to realize that porkie doesnt care about what happens after they die. A lot of the porkie will die before collapse happens so who gives a shit about lel future

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>>2583306
if they can't or don't want to perpetuate class society after they die then they aren't really class conscious, they're just individualists, nihilists, and egoists. For the bourgeoisie to be conscious as a class they would have to want society to continue after they die.

But the analysis in the picture DOESEtake this into account. They hoard more wealth than they can spend in one life time. A lot of them could retire and never run out of money but they choose to continue attending board meetings and doing interviews and shit. They dress up and go places and act important and try to force regulations in their favor. They try to extend their copyrights more than a century. They try to use life extension tech. Elon Musk has a ton of kids. They really seem to think the Earth will survive their bullshit and they want their progeny to inherit their wealth,, on the one hand, but they continue to act in ways which guarantee their downfall, and/or the destruction of the earth, on the other hand. They want to live forever through life extension tech, on the one hand, but they don't create a political situation that tolerates their perpetual existence, on the other hand. They absolutely, as a class, seem to care about the future, but are very bad at understanding that they have outlived their historical usefulness as a class.



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>>2582959
$25 from blackwater has been deposited into your account

>>2582905
How is that relevant in any shape or form, when one has to look at the kind of relationship that dominates the entire economy
>>2582903
Report racist MAGAtards to ICE

>>2582962
do you really think blackwater is against janet mills? why would they be?

>>2582906
>That doesn't mean it's socialist
so no privatized companies? neoliberalism hasn't put a foothold on its state? good.
Socialism is enshrined in Vietnam's constitution, thus they are looking forward for it.

>>2582965
>blackwater has two approved candidates running for senate in maine
lucky them!



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Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
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So nothing really happened regarding the stuff from my previous posts. The hunger strikers have up after two weeks and there was no big Cacilend conformation.
The student movement is still alive but probably the most dead it's been the past year. There is only one faculty which restarted its blockade, the others are operating normally in the new year except that the start of the year was late.
The NIS situation is still unresolved, I am not sure what the SNS government is planning, maybe they're just waiting for Russians to agree to a deal where NIS is sold to a third country. They floated the idea of nationalizing NIS but they have not done that yet. The oil refinery in Pancevo is stopping production because of a lack of oil, which means they're already losing money. If there is no solution in the coming months then the government will have to spend a lot of money on importing finished oil products and subsidizing the cost, or they can not subsidize it and cause an oil crisis in Serbia.

>>2578044

Also don't forget to mention the students had a split with the zbor's due to the more liberal opposition infiltrating them according to them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRnTjuzACP5/?img_index=1

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I feel like you guys need to stop labelling everything as a color revolution

Even if its liberals its still class conflict in nature, and mass disconnect being organized on general strike scales is impressive

>>2579295
The zbors are very dead compared to their peak in early july during the dumpster barricade stuff.

>>2579297
There were 2 calls to general strike but there was no labor organizing behind them so they failed.

Two days ago there were some local elections for some rural areas (only a few tens of thousands of voters total) and SNS won but with much less votes compared to both the last local elections and the last parliamentary elections. Like usual, there were various kinds of election fraud spotted and there was even some fighting in Mionica in a tavern close to one of the poll stations (https://x.com/agrifblokira/status/1995150996067307853).

>>2581761
Forgot to mention the most important thing about those local elections. If SNS's loss of votes is proportional to the rest of Serbia then they'd lose parliamentary elections if they were held now.



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Why right wing and "white" nationalist are so hypocrite? Some of them are not even white but mixed which is contradicts with white nationalism, some of sleep or had hedonistic lifestyle and now they are "Christ pilled" or call themselves a "white nationalistT" (funny enought when I ask them to define white they call it "european" but cant specify, some of them hate hitler also) Why they think having hedonistic lyfestyle and stereotypes bout women is ok, but being gay is not ok. There is full of condradiction, that why right wing ideologies split into smaller factions, more specific. There is still smart people in right wing, but they dont call themselves "right or left wing" they call themselves "third positionist" or "deep ideological philosophical stuff". Its funny how they hate left wing, but when I talk to left wing they are smarter than right wing(sorry for my ESL)
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>Why right wing and "white" nationalist are so hypocrite? Some of them are not even white but mixed
Whiteness is a moving target. Many groups who used to not be considered "white" are now considered "white." So called "White" supremacism has to let "new" people in to stay relevant, which is why it is more open to hispanics, asians arabs, italians, and sometimes even jews, etc. than it used to be. At the end of the day, only the darkest sub saharan africans and aboriginal australians are probably permanently excluded from "white" supremacist politics.
>which is contradicts with white nationalism, some of sleep or had hedonistic lifestyle and now they are "Christ pilled"
Religious affiliation is often opportunistic. Religious institutions are powerful forces of reaction, so pretending to be "born again" in order to leverage their power is common. Opportunism is inherently hypocritical, and double standards are essential to wielding power. The sovereign decides the exception.
>(funny enought when I ask them to define white they call it "european" but cant specify, some of them hate hitler also
There's a lot of latin american neo nazis, and even tsagaan khas in mongolia
>Why they think having hedonistic lyfestyle and stereotypes bout women is ok, but being gay is not ok
the "right" or "reactionaies" are a broad tent political coalition, just like the "left" if you mean "both reformists and revolutionaries" so naturally you get lots of different types. As long as they are willing to collaborate on key issues, they'll ignore differences. Ernst Rohm of the NSDAP was gay, and they ignored this until they purged him.

>Whiteness is a moving target. Many groups who used to not be considered "white" are now considered "white." So called "White" supremacism has to let "new" people in to stay relevant, which is why it is more open to hispanics, asians arabs, italians, and sometimes even jews, etc. than it used to be. At the end of the day, only the darkest sub saharan africans and aboriginal australians are probably permanently excluded from "white" supremacist politics.
I think there is difference between white nationalism and ethno white nationlism, media call neonazis "white nationalist" but its not remotely true

>>2582617
>Religious affiliation is often opportunistic. Religious institutions are powerful forces of reaction, so pretending to be "born again" in order to leverage their power is common. Opportunism is inherently hypocritical, and double standards are essential to wielding power. The sovereign decides the exception.
Not all of them in movement like that so they set up hierarchy and order like himmler did, but it led to despotic power

Alunya is cute!
>why are right wingers hypocrite
Because it's not about morals or ideals or whatever, obviously. It's about capitalism. Whatever else is just a psyop to keep it running. You're either a psyopper or you took the kool-aid without questioning your beliefs in the first place.

>>2582696
depenhds not vall of right wing is capitalist some of them mix capitalism and socialism structure, its abouyt hypocrisy



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Why not nationalize merchant capital? It seems like a perfectly reasonable liberal democratic reform that is easily achievable under capitalism. The same way the government takes care of roads it should take care of staffing, education, commuting, communications, shipping, retail and logistics of all sorts. Industry should focus on making goods and providing services and not on costs like staffing, training skilled workers and shipping goods. All that stuff is pure overhead which is best nationalized. Picture unrelated.

>>2562816
some countries do this already (ex: in mexicos constitution)

el bumpo



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L/Acc Edition

Mods, don't move this thread to /latam/. This general is meant for English language discussion of Brazilian politics focusing on an international audience (think of it as our embassy on this board).

PT-BR: >>>/latam/13593
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>>2581755
They are in the "trust the plan" phase. Opportunists are trying to launch themselves as an "heir" to Bolsonaro's legacy while his family tries to keep the cohesion. Truth is, Lula is in a much more comfortable position with him in jail, as no alternative to Bolsonaro can match his popularity.

Call me when that dwarf stops cucking the brazilian working class (showed no solidarity when there was mass mobilization to end 6 day work week) and breast feeding bankers, speculators and rentiers.

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>>2581759
>his family tries to keep the cohesion
His family who?
His wife just messed up their plans for Ceará state, sparking Mr. former-4th-International-superstar's fury.

>>2581754
lol not a chance, I don't think they will release him but even if they do, his political powers are revoked and he can't run for anything until at least 2030. Someone from his family or some other oportunist close-ish to him will take his spot - I'm hoping his wife goes for it because all of Bolsonaro's sons absolutely despise her and that would be a pretty funny situation

>>2582176
Is she /ourgirl/?



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