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Why is China willingly wasting it's time and resources with the AI thing rather than continuing to develop the productive forces while they're still ahead?

Is the idea that they can lead the west into going all-in on something fruitless with the knowledge that China can tank the damage, merely leading the AI race to get the west to hurdle faster at it? Like the AI race is a tunnel painted on a brick wall? Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that? Like I know they're stupid but surely not that stupid.

not too sure if this is a /leftypol/ or /tech/ thing, sorry.
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>bans Kendrick but not this

a robust computer industry means ready access and easy production of high-tech military equipment like missile guidance systems, drones, electronic warfare equipment, etc., and if nothing else, 'AI' investing will ensure that computers and hardware are supported industries.

additionally, it is possible that a relatively sane society like china can find genuine uses for LLM tech. imagine if american technology wasn't led by idiots like Musk and Altman, but instead by qualified people with at least some education in marxist and related theory.

for example, while i don't think 'AI' should necessarily replace all human operation of vehicles, it would be useful to control more complicated aspects of certain vehicles or other equipment. for a fun sci fi example, something like a small mech or larger powered armor would likely need some kind of automatic limb control for basic walking and movement, while a pilot (or a program if you are anthro-pessimistic) designates directions or waypoint coordinates. Your only other option is some kind of brain-machine interface for something like that. for a more realistic modern example, many fighter jets have computerized systems handle the finer details of the maneuvering of the plane, keeping it stable and reacting reliably to control inputs, while the human pilot applies guidance via the control stick and various buttons etc.

meanwhile americans just use new tech to generate low quality goon material and lobster jesus facebook memes to scam the elderly with.

behind all the "AI" hype nonsense there are actual useful products like better automatic translation and machine vision to help with tasks like >>2563313

>implying AI doesn’t compose a productive force
Idk what to tell you bro.

>>2563243
AI literally is a tool/means of production you absolute cretin.



 

No man has been slandered so much in the history of science. The class enemy and their pseudo-intellectuals pour mud and shit on the man who dared to call a spade a spade - that biology is on firm Marxist-Leninist principles. That we did not create Marxism-Leninism, but that it is Marxism-Leninism that created us. Dialetical materialist understanding of the flora and fauna was forged with Great Darwin’s evolution theory. It was sharpened into a fine blade Engels’ brilliant ‘Part played by labour in the transition from ape to man’. Comrade Lysenko gallantly wielded the Immortal Science and embarked on steppe-wide crusade against scarcity amd famine. And the treat lovers hated him for it, they still do. No, no, no! No abundance of wheat, rice, and corn for the asiatic hordes and the African specimen! How dare they! Funko Pops for me, Famine Poop for thee! By burying Lysenko , and promoting Monsanto debauchery in the fields, by bullying Bohm-deBroglie and promoting the Heisenberg-Bohr mystic mafia in reactors, the Treatlerites secured the Century for themselves. But we must not be afraid. We must uphold the Great Men of Science. As Neruda’s pen truthfully carved: To be Man - that is the Stalinist Law !
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>>2523214
Lysenkoism does not go against 'Mendelian Genetics, Molecular Genetics, and Evolution through Natural Selection'.

>>2523226
>eugenics are real guys!!!1
Did you know that twin experiments were proven to be false, right? Without twins experiment, there is no basis for "intelligence" difference, the only real thing that matters between human races. And, thus, eugenics is a useless idea


Would any of my fellow Comrades like to give an unbiased Intellectual critique of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts I posted at >>2523214 that all came from the same video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, 🤔✊😜🧬?

>>2523364
Maybe you are thinking of a different guy, because those are all things that Lysenko constantly bitched about, 😂🤣!




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So, in addition to the contingent of people who think that Native Americans don’t exist anymore and were all genocided (which ironically is US government propaganda to justify its continued settler-colonial occupation of indigenous land), there also seems to be a contingent of people who thinks that all people in the US regardless of race, *even Native Americans*, are irredeemable and unrevolutionary and should even be killed, such as the posts I’ve circled in the two screenshots I attached. While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes, (and I say this as a white settler myself), and that even manyBlack people in the US still contribute to US imperialism, how on earth could you have this little intellectual curiosity and empathy for the plight of indigenous peoples in the so-called US. I mean come on, thousands of completely unique languages foodways, ways of music and art, and beautiful people were and are continuing to be destroyed for the sake of building the most horrible and destructive empire on the history of earth, and instead of having empathy for those whose lands it is built on, you say you want to continue said evil empire’s genocide all while claiming to oppose said evil empire, just because a small comprador class of Native Americans aligns with US imperialism. I mean even if you don’t care about the people themselves, which you should, shouldn’t you care for the sake of intellectualism about thousands of distinct languages and cultures?

Also, something weird I’ve been noticing is that people say that Hawaii, Guam, and Puerto Rico should be freed from the US, but they never say that native peoples with in the lower 48 states and Alaska should be freed, which just naturalizes the US empire’s occupation of indigenous land.

Idk, it just seems like from online discourse both on and off of /leftypol/, that 95+ percent of leftists outside of the US think that all Native Americans are extinct, or think that they’re horrible and unrevolutionary. NonAmericanBros, especially GlobalSouthBros, please tell me you don’t think this. Please tell me you have love and solidarity for your fellow oppressed people, while also being able to criticize them while they are reactionary in a healthy way without writing them off as a whole. I’m not trying to smear every Non-USian leftist, and I know it’s probably just me being emotionallyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2562173
>communism is when kill white people

>>2562529
>You are delusional if you think that mastodon or any such alt-media is even 5% as popular as twitter
I never said so, nor do I give a shit. It's gaining popularity as the twitter shit falls apart, and it itself isn't fucking twitter.
>Try talking to people in real life. No one knows what that is.
Multiple coworkers in three different jobs introduced me to it before I gave it a shot. It's obviously not as popular as any core web platform, but it's not obscure in the slightest, and it's clearly what grass touching leftists use if they bother with social media at all.

>>2562173
>While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes, (and I say this as a white settler myself)

People will unironically say this shit then complain “they think decolonization means we’ll do to them what they did to us!”

What J. Sakai does to a mothefrucker.

>>2562173
The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (the ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, combined with Trump deploying the National Guard to the Black/New Afrikan and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods of LA, Chicago, DC, and Memphis, has essentially transformed this into a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR that is articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR, which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where MaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
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>>2562803
>the short term benefits aren't worth the planet getting destroyed and everyone hating us

America's enemies worship America and legitimize themselves by pointing out similar to America they are.

zohran status?

>>2563246
he's saying the same shit Matt Christman did but from the other perspective lol

>>2563169
Building red army is the only thing that works. American never even tried to build red army so they are fascist

>>2562592
>They don't achieve things
>Literally become mayor of the largest city in the world
Also
>If you dont join my larp you are literally evil child rapist jeffrey epstein human trafficker
Man, do you people get why i say that you guys have nothing to you except appeal to morality? How is this any different than some unhinged street preacher condemning non-Christians to hellfire and saying that all liberals are secretly child eating abortion demons? That's not going to attract anyone to the movement



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Yeah I want that, FUCK YOU CHINA YOU'RE KEEPING GOOD GOVERNANCE AND NICE TECHNOLOGIES TO YOURSELF. FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER. I WANT THAT SHIT TOO. I DONT WANNA DO MY OWN THING YOU HELP ME OUT UYGHUR. WEIBO UYGHUR. BRING ME THE CHINA TO EASTERN EUROPE AND THE SEX ROBOTS AND EVERYTHING. I WANT DENGISM XIISM HERE RIGHT HERE MOTHERFUCKER. GOVERN ME CHINA YOU FUCKING TRAITORS, AUTONOMIST CHAUVINISTS I SHIT ON YOUR MOTHERS' COFFINS. CHINA OCCUPY EUROPE NOW. RULE EUROPE CHINA FUCK YOU I WANT SOCIALISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS AND A SCIENTIFIC OUTLOOK ON DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE. WHY ISN'T IT POSSIBLE? IT IS POSSIBLE. COME HERE.
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SINO WORLD



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𝒞𝐻𝐼𝒩𝒜 𝒢𝐿𝒪𝐵𝒜𝐿

ℂℍ𝕀ℕ𝔸 𝔾𝕃𝕆𝔹𝔸𝕃
𝒞𝐻𝐼𝒩𝒜 𝒢𝐿𝒪𝐵𝒜𝐿

ℂℍ𝕀ℕ𝔸 𝔾𝕃𝕆𝔹𝔸𝕃
CHINA GLOBAL MAKE CHINA GLOBAL
MAKE CHINA GLOBAL

>>2557253
China is not a state capitalist monopoly, nor has it abolished the bourgeoisie as a class. This is cope you can debunk with a barebones understanding of Lenin's work and searching "how much of china's economy is state-owned" on google



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Is the sexual/societal frustration from not having a girlfriend/wife is really the leading motivation for the majority of right-wing men? The more I observe the behavior of reactionaries online the more it feels like so. They hate women's rights because it empowers their girlfriends/wifes to be able to leave them. They hate racial minorities because they imagine their girlfriends/wifes leave them for racial minority men. They hate Jews because they think Jews are behind women's rights… e.t.c.
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>>2562558
<muh moralism
<moralists include: Castro, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Marx, Engels, Literally Every Single Revilutionary That Has Ever Accomplished Literally Anything IRL

shut the fuck up and continue doing absolutely nothing of value in your egoist basement, anarkiddie. if you want to kneecap any successful leftist movement by insisting that 'caring about people isn't communism' and that'communism is only about organizing (white, able-bodied, cisgendered male) Workers

you are literally just a Nazi dressing up your reactionary fascist ideology with edgy, 'great man'/ubermensch theory nihilism.

please kill yourself in a genuine act of egoistic desire.

>>2561378
Tbqh majority of chads are rightoid misogynists but femoids wont admit this.

>>2562612
Assblasted by couple of words

>>2562601
Yes it is

>>2562591
So a transhumanism then



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Karl Kautsky - Haven't read any of his works and probably never will, Lenin speaks of him in such vitriol and venom it's like he's everything wrong with the socialist movement. But Lenin was also a hothead, One-sided and his character really shows in his writings.
Was he really as bad as Lenin makes him out to be? Very curious to hear the other side.
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>>2558632
Only correct take here. Lenin was an enjoyer of the SPD Erfurt programme, wanted to emulate in Russia. He got pissed in 1917 because Kautsky et al. failed to uphold the ideas of the programme. That's why they are renegades (a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles.)

>>2558485
From this stems the present importance of the theory
which Kautsky develops in a particularly coherent form in
his pamphlet and which constituted the very fabric of his
thought throughout his life. Lenin took up this theory and
developed it as early as 1900 in "The Immediate
Objectives of our Organisation" and then in "What Is To
Be Done?" in 1902, in which moreover he quotes Kautsky
at length and with great praise. In 1913 Lenin again took
up these ideas in “The Three Sources and the Three
Component Parts of Marxism" in which he develops the
same themes and sometimes uses Kautsky's text word
for word.
These ideas rest on a scanty and superficial historical
analysis of the relationships of Marx and Engels, to the
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>>2558779
>900 pages

what the actual fuck

>>2562481
The actual rediscovery is some 500 pgs, then there's a reprint of WITBD

>>2558519
blackpill



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I present to you, the Rule Me China Movement! RMCM! Or alternatively called RMPRCM! We are the first worldwide openly sinophile movement that wants China to invade and destroy our nation states we live in and instead we want to be governed by China, we want all of our culture to be wiped out or sinicized as much as possible, we want to people to study and worship China, the CPC and socialism with chinese characteristcs (SWCC), we want SWCC, we want our nations to cede their territory to China and hope that one day the entire World globe will be governed by China and the CPC. We are proud national traitors, we want not only to live in China we want to destroy our nations to become a part of China, we are both activists and violent agitators, revolutionaries. Our goal is to convince every person that China is the best nation in the world, that our own nations suck and should be destroyed and that the way of the scientific outlook on development and the future stands with China and SWCC. Our goal is to create propaganda in every nation outside of China and create a massive support base and expand a coordinated movement for free dedicating our life to praising the PRC and engaging in everything PRC related.
This is the declaration of the RMCM, for universal socialism with chinese characteristics and universal governance by China. We can agitate by organizing, getting together and doing propaganda, education, civil disobedience or outright sabotage and military preparation for overthrow of our own national governments. SINOPHILES OF THE WORLD UNITE. LIVE LAUGH LOVE CHINA. You don't need to move to China, it is enough for you to support it and spread its glorious image, to defend China, to defend Mao Zedong thought, Deng Xiaoping thought, Xi Jinping thought, Hu Jintao thought and praise figures like Jiankui He. Combat all non-chinese influence. Sinicize the world. SERVE THE PEOPLE, SERVE THE WORLD, SERVE CHINA.
人固有一死,或轻于鸿毛,或重于泰山

CHINA #1! CHINA NUMBER 1! CHINA NUMBER ONE! CHINA IS THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD! CHINA IS THE BASTION OF THE COMMUNIST MOVEMENT! LONG LIVE CHINA! LIVE CHINA FOREVER! LONG LIVE XI! DEATH TO WESTERN DEGREDATION AND BAD INFLUENCE! LONG LIVE CHINA!

🇨🇳🧧

OUT OF RESPECT FOR CHINA, TAKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY'S FLAG AND PUT THE CHINESE FLAG ON THE CANTON OF IT. WHEN ATTENDING DEMONSTRATIONS IN PUBLIC USE THE FLAG ALONG WITH THE FLAG OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

NO IRONY.


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>>2557685
>The boom of China has been a literal miracle, and exactly mirrors the boom of Christianity during the same time.

>In 1990 less than 1% of Chinese identified as Christian. In 1990 less than 1% of global economic activity came from China. In the three short decades since, China has become the largest Christian country in the world, and also the largest economy in the world.


What the fuck is he talking about?

Man amerifat evangelical Christians are genuinely so fundamentally deluded. I have never seen another group this prone to retarded religious oversimplifications of reality.

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𝒞𝐻𝐼𝒩𝒜 𝒢𝐿𝒪𝐵𝒜𝐿

ℂℍ𝕀ℕ𝔸 𝔾𝕃𝕆𝔹𝔸𝕃
𝒞𝐻𝐼𝒩𝒜 𝒢𝐿𝒪𝐵𝒜𝐿

ℂℍ𝕀ℕ𝔸 𝔾𝕃𝕆𝔹𝔸𝕃
𝒞𝐻𝐼𝒩𝒜 𝒢𝐿𝒪𝐵𝒜𝐿

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>This is what americans are doing instead of campaigning for a socialist movement



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
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>continuation

>>2562035
new thread

>>2562015
Yeah I really want to run a piece on how reddit is the most fed controlled platform on the internet.

>>2562062
Touch on Ashooh, Eglin Air Force Base, Shadowbanning, Power Mods, Israel Lobby, Banned Subs (Chapotraphouse), Quarantined Subs (GenZedong), maybe also the suicide of one of the founders when he faced 30-something years in prison downloading academic papers without paying for them (which AI companies now do with total impunity to train their models, while he had been doing it to make research free, which is of course why he got prosecuted)

>>2561787
Yes, a strong executive seizing power because of a gridlock in the legislature. Definitely something that only happened in bourgeois republics and not in the USSR during the Stalinist period



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Revolution almost always requires a brutal civil war so that a new society emerges from it. But the ideal of a new society never emerges immadietly after. We see it with the french revolution, and then the russian revolution. The american revolution seems like an exemption from this. Why is that?
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>America revolution
Same elites, same economic system, almost the save government.
It was more of a war of independence than a revolution.

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>>2553950
>There isn't much of a question of "what is to be done" or executing loyalists en masse or what have you because the loyalists could just fuck off to Canada and the Patriots who could risk turning on the revolution could be bribed with further expansion.

This is true but honestly when it comes to the American revolution people do downplay the violence between Patriots and Loyalists more than they think due to a lot of American Historians wanting to make it out like the US was the best kind of compromise while the French Revolution "went too far" even though there were a lot of lynchings and land seizures of Loyalists. In fact, the word "lynch" comes from the judge Charles Lynch who went out and did extrajudicial violence against the Loyalists at the time.

While the American Revolution wasn't that revolutionary it was much more violent and would have been much more like being in a Civil War at the time then modern people realize due to how it's been written about by historians. In fact, there's a good argument it has a lot more in common with the English Civil War then many people realize.

>>2561210
*true to an extent

>>2554983
So why does the left never talk about "socialized relations of production" being dominant and held back by a reactionary capitalist class?

If those relations don't exist then communism isn't possible and the question of revolution/civil war is irrelevant.

Revolution is dialectical way for accumulated (quantitative) changes to shift to new quality, so if anything doesn't happen then was no material foundation for it



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