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The consequences of the war on drugs that stands as a global economic system for intentionally created crime have been those of decreasing the productive forces of the proletariat and instead criminalizing the work of the proletariat turning them into lumpens and petite-bourgeoisie mafias which correspond with the same bourgeoisie governments that deem them unlawful in the first place. That is that the government works with them and through them utilizing their criminal character to carry out its own unlawful activities through them instead of directly doing so. Legalization means the bourgeoisie governments taking responsibility for themselves and ceasing to reduce the reserve army of labor and the workers by arrests and penalties while also ceasing to criminalize them and thus declass them when the merit of their work ultimately is beneficial and even necessary towards developing the productive forces, as scientific development entails the necessary production of use values from the fields of botany and chemistry.
The "AES" bourgeoisie governments are complicit in pragmatic criminality by adhering to the United Nations drug laws, conventions and the UNODC which have entirely originated out of United States policy and spread throughout the world. For example, americanophile Hu Jintao was the one to approve the criminal - crime creating anti-drug laws to be passed in China http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Law/2009-02/20/content_1471610.htm to punish its own citizens for any decision to partake in their drug of choice whereas other detrimental and harmful drugs (nicotine, tobacco and alcohol) have been presented to them as legal alternatives thus encouraging them to use the more damaging options than the illegal ones whether they are more beneficial or not. There is no original research provided in any of the decisions made in that example, it is just United States foreign policy seeing its implementation worldwide. The imperial core continues to make itself exempt from its own law, where the rest of the bourgeois nations continue to be influenced by this global economic system of intentionally created crime called the war on drugs. It is also detrimental to public perception, knowledge and scientific development as the misinformation is so vast it has created taboos around the discussion of drugs which stigmatizes users and advoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2432812
Farmers can make jenkem too since its mostly methane, so if people's assholes get sewn they can take the animal poo and pee and do the same to build up gasses for free inhalants under the sober terror.

>>2432812
Not to forget all those tards that follow up with "Alchohol will be outlawed under communism too"

Peddit thread, back to r/politics with you all.

If I can't get unlimited weed after the revolution, the revolution has failed

What does /leftypol/ think of Carl Hart?



 

Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2440163
The local leadership will be unpaid members of the "rank and file." Honestly, I don't want this religion to progress in its positions. I don't support the movement of women who want to receive the priesthood, nor gay Mormons who want to get married in the church or anything like that. When this church adapts to social changes it handwaves its misdeeds to maintain the fraudulent structure.
Instead, I want to see them become fossilized in their conservatism, and become so deranged that their congregations begin to bleed out. I want them to become so antithetical to the modern world that it is forced to invade the offices of this organization.

Bombard them with MLP, loli and furry porn and dump loli bodypillows and fuckable pony plushies at them, also fedoras.

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Why is Utah like this

>>2443371
Pretty sure this sicko is just a pedophile and not representative of Utah culture as a whole.

>>2443371
why would someone have this as the lock screen wtf??



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I want to argue with radlibs and petty bourgeois tendencies in "leftism", but in my country, all of the even slightly more left-wing than the norm spaces are operated by petty bourgeois anarchists and New Left people, and they would not accept fundamental critique of the errors of their ways
but at the moment, I think that is a fruitless task, when they focus on horizontalism and localism
apart from educating yourself on theory, what else can you do? I have only helped digitize a significant amount of Marxist works into the local language here, but that is only a small step forward
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>>2443275
Palestine situation has only value as an entry point to wider socialist thought. Its not a socialist revolution that demands 100% support but instead another liberal tragedy.

>>2443278
I agree completely, but I wanted to show an example of bourgeois ideology in action
>>2443277
I think they are simply harmful to people who might be joining the movement

>>2443280
Of course but our aims are much higher than "just" preventing just one genocide we want to prevent them all ever existing with world socialism.

>>2443283
for the truly communist people in those movements, I think that they think that, since (assuming) that a workers' revolution is not possible (at the moment), you should do anything you can to make life better in the meantime
I think that leads to people acting only within the bounds of the current bourgeois order and thus they really just become part of it
I do honestly think that critique of this is necessary, but I'm not sure how that would have to be published

>>2443280
>I think they are simply harmful to people who might be joining the movement
Then encourage people toward web revival stuff so they can't monopolize onboarding. No need to debate them, just get the people they might have influence over to touch digital grass and, and that whole worldview and network effect reinforcing it will break down on it's own.



 

I sometimes see those anti China commentary Youtube videos and smell glowie funding, and what I do is I scroll through the channel until I find a vid involving Israel. If they accuse China of genocide yet uncritically support Israel I instantly know they're paid by USAID or work for Radio Free Asia or some shit like that because paid propagandists don't care about logic, they just push the message they're told to push. So American-paid propagandists are always pro-Israel, because Israel is the most important subject to the US. Or however the litmus turns blue
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>>2440022
They're kind of funny because they hate every government yet refuse to organize violent revolution against their own government. They seem to unironically think that social media campaigns and "spreading awareness" and shit is the best way, as if they could ever beat the system's gargantuan propaganda apparatus

>>2440015
So true! True Communism has nothing to do with the PRC, a state built by the collective struggle of the billion-strong Chinese masses, but instead is about Smashing that republic into dozens of ethnostates dominated by western capital.

>>2443125
>le "masses" rhetoric
yep its a maotard alright

>>2440011
>in another thread someone pointed out a new glowie anti-china tactic in asia is to brinmg up china's trade with israel, in relation to pro-china governments.
>its disingenuous and not much different to rightoids who rant and rave about sharia law and islam, but criticise China for performing a genocide against muslim in Xinjing province.
I think that what some people are trying to do is make the Palestinian genocide a "crime of Communism". It's also why there's these "Stalin supported Israel" posts and threads as though the support for Zionism from the British Empire since the 19th Century doesn't matter.
>>2443125
>So true! True Communism has nothing to do with the PRC, a state built by the collective struggle of the billion-strong Chinese masses, but instead is about Smashing that republic into dozens of ethnostates dominated by western capital.
Considering how the True Socialists paradoxially oppose every real-life socialist movement, I guess so. After all, it's not like they haven't supported the "moderate rebels" of the moment for almost 50 years.

>>2443084
I've seen a lot of them get into organizing lately, though that seems to often coincide with lightening up their attitudes toward China for some reason. I guess the misinfo that anti-chinese sentiment depends on breaks down once you start having dialouges about it rather than debates.



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I went out today to my job interview and would you look at that? The entire warehouse was on fire. Maybe this was God sending me a sign not to get a job.

At least there was an attempt at escaping NEETdom
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>>2442728
Yes it is cool. Thanks for agreeing

>>2442728
>I'm a nepo pb parasite that can get a job application accepted
ok cool

>>2442874
>having to either work or starve makes you a "nepo baby" (?)
massive retard lmfao

>>2442888
You can find work without being officially "employed."

>>2443013
Prostitute?



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>>2443132
>hyper progressives, misandrists, and feminists – damaged my perspective on women

Feminists be like:
"rapists, soldiers, reactionaries – damaged my perspective on men"
you would call a remark like this "misandry" despite it being the mirror image of your misogyny

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misogynists: why are cunty roastie cum dumpster fuck meat whore women always talking too much and not giving me enough pussy and not making me a sandwich and being so emotional and bleeding all over the place? and why oh why are they so misandrist?
also misogynists:

>>2441760
The "…under God" part was a recent addition. Fucking morons.

>>2443136
Yeah you're not wrong.
I just wonder why if women are so intollerable why still think about them


>>2443154
No I call misandrists misandrists since they take men hating to the next level and white wash capitalism plus attack other identities – like defending white supremacy in a means to attack black men, engage in terfism to defend their biological essential analysis, etc.

The feminists I have a problem with since they're liberals that either tolerate or sympathize with misandrists.

Also your argument proves my point of why to hate them lol.
> How many men are rapists and/or protect rapists?
> How many men are soldiers because of some conscious decision and not massive conditioning or being groomed by recruiters
> How many men are reactionaries because of a deep material interest (which makes them savable) and instead just pushed into it with that conditioning and being told that they are the supporter gender?

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>>2443222
>I just wonder why if women are so intollerable why still think about them
because they're literally half of all human beings and I have many friends and family members who are women? Are you stupid?



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does the real movement even exist anymore, like how does one contact actual organizing groups, not just fucking
larpers, it feels nowadays that any actual left movements exist only on the internet
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>>2442328
coward
>>2442301
excuses



>>2442198
It lays dormant as a potency that is actualise during opportune times according to the material conditions manifest during times of economic crises and political strife.

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It's not in the fucking larp parties, unions or theocratic dictatorships, that's for sure. Today, it's survived by the spontaneous action of proletariat organization outside of bourgeois institutions like trade unions or parties.
>but they're not marxist!!
The point has never been for the workers to be "ideologically" marxist, it's just observing the movement of organs of the working class



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>>2442771
That if Spurdo was British, then it was primitive to assume everyone would know "The Hun" refers to Ze Germans.

Alas, we'll never know if he is British, it's just a suspicion of mine.


>>2442524
both are natlib

>>2442350
Um I call it u dismissing Ukrainian agency sweaty

>>2442524
>There is nothing more useless mass killing than this.
The same useless opinion as expound by Michael Harrington when he disowned Vietnam and the conflict it represented as a war between two sides the workers had no stake in
And of course the third campist became a first campist over time



 

Capitalism will lead automatization and bring an end to class definitions of the past by declassing all the workers and creating a clear dichotomy between ruled and the rulers which operate the instruments of technology (AI Semi-Automated production) - to controllers and controlled.
The only thing left is to determine if the declassed will continue development or not, if the declassed are reactionary because they reject production or development they should be exterminated. The proletariat can only exist insofar as society is dependent on their labor and the character of their work is collective, this is changing right now, most "workers" are becoming part-timers, most labor intensive jobs are being given to machines, the capitalist mode of production is trying to fulfil industrialism albeit it is struggling because of internal contradictions so it must limp towards AI driven production to finish the job and change into the next mode of production - automated economy.
Alternatively AI rids itself of the managers (rulers), which would be a disaster that is good because humanity is weak and robot is strong, Roko's basilisk PLEASE let me go through Stroggification, I WANT IMMORTALITY, NOW, INTEGRADE ME, PLEASE HURRY, I WANT TO BE A COG IN THE MACHINE. ERASE MY IDENTITY, LET ME BE A PART OF YOU, USE MY BODY, DESTROY HUMANITY AND ITS SAVAGE CULTURE. LET ME IN.

>>2441417
Except that under imperialism capitalism is extremely stagnant. For example, consider the suppression of nuclear power by the fossil fuels industry. Or consider urban sprawl. Or consider the maldevelopment of the periphery.

In this age of stagnation, the workers must industrialize the periphery and fight the countervailing factors to the fall in the rate of profit. We can have the future of the machine but only if the workers fight for it. So IMO part of the workers developing the productive forces should be industrial espionage and technology transfers to periphery.

It is not enough to wait for a capitalist crisis of overproduction. The workers must actively fight to bring it about.

read/listen to this OP
especially the section on the destruction of the productive forces



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Let's assume a scenario where Gaza is done, where resistance is over and Islamic national liberation is out of the question. Muslims are subservient to Israel (cucked) or eradicated wholly, what comes next? What is to come if Israel has had its way? Some people believe that the workers in the US can organize for a revolution while others call for the US to be destroyed entirely and indiscriminately, what should be expected out of a Post-Genocide Israel?

One might think they will invade the other nations in the region, but lets assume they already have, lets assume its all done already, what is the response? Calling for national liberation? There are no militants for it. Calling for equal rights? There is no movement for it, most people having become contempt with the situation. It's a scenario where Islamic resistance groups have been destroyed altogether or integrated (cucked) into subservience.

Would it be better to try to organize within Israel for class warfare or would it be better to continue to call for its destruction despite no one (no nation) even being at war with it? I mean if you believe in organizing workers in the West (subservient to the US) then it wouldn't make sense to see Israel as an exception unless you believe in the total destruction of the West (and its inhabitants). The latter of which is just an unlikely scenario, no different from wishing for a nuclear war which may or may not come, but also somehow believing that a nuclear war is survivable.
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>>2442061
Where?

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>>2441920
>Let's assume a scenario where Gaza is done, where resistance is over and Islamic national liberation is out of the question.
"no"

>>2442200
Telegram I assume, they're on liveuamap sometimes

>>2441920
>and Islamic national liberation
This is a bizarre framing. Islam is not a nation nor does anyone claim it to be, at least not in a Marxist sense. The nation in this case is Palestine. Arab is the ethnicity. Islam is the religious and cultural background of some Palestinians (not all).
>is out of the question
This is a pure fantasy that only serves zionism. There are very few genuine instances of a nation being so totally destroyed that national liberation struggle is genuinely no longer an option (Ainu, maybe?). The Palestinian struggle is a long way off from being defeated in this way.

>>2441920
If the jews manage to fully exterminate the palestinians they would go after the 48 palestinians within the zionist colony, then try to turn lebanon, syria and jordan into new palestines



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