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Hear me out because I've been thinking about this for a long time.
The means justify the ends, why not use the capitalist mode of production to raise class consciousness and delve deeper into contradiction to its maxima? We ought to spread internationalism via transnational corporations, an internationalist party with bosses multi-billion dollar business that finances propaganda exclusively to win the information war. Accumulate capital to utilize later, accumulate capital to harness power and influence. Ultra-CPC that focuses not on one nation but the entirety of EuroAsiatic continental influence that spreads it wings across the World. Be bourgeoisie to liquidate the bourgeoisie, be capitalist to end the capitalist mode of production, the NEP has not been fulfilled yet, industrialization is not enough, be Machiavellian, read and study the genius of Nick Land.
ICP will not do it. Make an ICP that will enter the EU parliament an ICP that will campaign in the bourgeois democracy of America, make an ICP that profits, an ICP that employs labour, make an ICP that's a business with a boss. Use the internationalism of capital - the global element to spread influence and when the time comes with all the accumulated capital and businesses harnessed - start the class war, once militaries have been privatized and bought. To end the contradictions within capitalism once and for all, harness them. Be greater than the chauvinist nonchalant neglegent CPC which remains concerned only with itself and its lands. Grow as global capital, be Soros, welcome Soros, be the ultra left wing of capital and pave the road for the real movement.
Down with equality, equalities create contempt and make workers docile. Be capitalist in practice, be communist in programme to end capital, to expand, to grow, to overthrow.
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We need millions of Xi Jinpings, at least 5 Xi Jinpings in every nation.

no


nick land is a fucking retard, better luck next time




 

Started going over national governments the other night just to se how many could accurately be described as "Fascist" at this point and this is what I came to.
It really is insane how much of the world is run xenophobic thugs enforcing """property rights""" at the barrel of a gun and even more so how basically every "liberal" state on earth outside of Latin America or Southern is trending that way.
It makes me think Lennin was more right then he knew about the final stage of Capitalism being Fascism; only I dont think its going to be limmited to the imperial corps.
Honestly at this point I think almost every nation on earth is going to go fascist eventually and it will only be in the wreckage of the resource wars and climate catastrophe of the 21st century that the world, a century from now, will begin to look for alternatives once the death drive has completely burned itself out..
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>calling north korea socialist
>calling all nordic countries fascist
breh

this entire thread is beyond retarded. this is what map games do to your brain?

why the fuck is colombia the same color as venezuela? because the left-leaning candidate won the elections? and what happens 4 years from now?

elections don't change the material conditions, a capitalist country is a capitalist country regardless of bourgeois democracy. does this mean that colombia is in the same category, or should be considered to have the same position as argentina or bolivia? in broad terms yes, although the fact that there is a left-leaning president there does change things a little, it isn't a fundamental distinction

there are only two colors in the modern world: the countries where the capitalists are the dominant class and the countries where they are not. at most you could argue for a third category of countries where the local capitalists holds more power than foreign capitalists (russia, for example), but the lesson of the 20th century is that bourgeois nationalism always capitulates, so even then the situation won't hold for long

>>2579273
Columbia is literally a fascist state too its been at war with the ELN since the 60's.

Donald Trump is surely a fascist

>>2579272
both are true albeitever



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Any thoughts?
I think McPherson is the only serious candidate.
I don’t think the NDP is a serious party.
Their Indigenious ‘rights’ activism hurts them heavily with blue collar workers who want major projects built without grifting First Nations.

Montrealer here.

I live in Boulerice’s district, in Rosemont. I assumed the NDP was going to pick him as leader since he has a pretty consistent record.



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To flood the libternet to win the propaganda war the information war the most important war. And AES states have lots of money but don't do international propaganda in the libternet against the global brainwash. AES states are national socialists and will never be internationalist.
It is better to be a ZIGGER because Russia actually does good propaganda against the west.



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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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>>2573157
IMHO being against imperialism is actually a fairly common belief worldwide much like finding overt racism distasteful. Its why in past natlib movements you'll end up with seemingly unlikely alliances between commies,secular nationalists and religious traditionalists since imperialism is just that shitty and awful. So i'd reckon being anti-imperialist is like being against Zionism,Nazism or the Klan. More of a litmus test for if this person isn't a complete reactoid psycho that likes killing children and rape than a serious measure of there political stance.

>>2564730
Sometimes all I have to do is ask a mfer how much they get payed an hour and than ask em how much money you think you just made the boss in that time.

>>2573157
anything that weakens imperialism has a lot to do with socialism

>>2579036
Aryans are basically the result of eastern hunters coming to europe, killing everyman and raping everywomen there thousands of years ago. Thats why half of europoors white people today have dark hair and dark eyes. These are the people called Aryans. Whites are still called whites. You find them in northern europe.

>>2398521
Communization is the belief that the revolution starts from the creation of new economic social relations. As opposed to Marxist leninist style state takeover and development of productive forces (how long they have to develop before spontaneously deciding it's ready for communism is anyone's guess).

Communization is more in line with historic evolution of modes of production. For example capitalism really began in the English agriculture sector, with competitive rents driving capitalist logic to the forefront.



 

I tell you these things because I know you won't believe me, which I find vindictively and contemptuously amusing. So when you ignore me and call me a paranoid-schizophrenic conspiracy theorist I can have the last laugh when all the below and far more happens – as you all are slapped in chains, herded into boxcars, towards your designated FEMA deathcamp or 15-minute SMART City of their choosing (or else… *rifles clicking*), you'll be sobbing and wailing, "Why didn't anyone warn us?! How could this be happening!? Who saw this coming!!" I'll be there in spirit, smirking, hissing in your ears: "Told ya so. You could have stopped this. But you chose to laugh at and insult us insane far-right misinformation super-spreaders and anti-vaxxer bigots and science- and climate-denying experts-distrusters. Don't call it a grave, it's the bed you made."

It's almost here, didn't you know? The coming Obsidian worldwide social credit score and central bank digital currency? No one seems to have a clue all which has been planned for CENTURIES is going to be fully implemented by at most 2030 in events dubbed The Great Reset (formerly known as United Nations Agenda 2030) and possibly the culmination of UN's Kalergi Plan, Tikkan Olam and its planned enslavement of Amalek (You!), and the next stage of Operation Lockstep (covid30?) which will be the real deal and actually lethal where all "anti-vaxxers" will be herded into the FEMA deathcamps (YOUR name is on a FEMA coffin, right now!), which will be the event horizon from which we may never escape technocrat-oligarchy and neo-feudalist medical tyranny where "you will own nothing and you will be happy" and worldwide human population will be artificially capped at half a billion as per the old Georgia Guidestones.

The Fourth Industrial Revolution and The Great Reset are right around the corner, just over the horizon, and you suckers don't have a clue. There's a sucker born every minute – guess who? You! Yes, it's true! Never give a sucker an even break! Perhaps Noah Yuval Harari, Larry Fink, Bill Gates, and Jacob Rothschild are right in naming us poor people "useless eaters" because we're too frightened to name (((them))).

You all have the power to stop it RIGHT NOW – the pain of a revolution isn't nearly as bad as the hell we will get for continuing to obliviously keep sitting in the boiling pot – you all could terminate the coming globalist-technocracy RIGHT NOW in the wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Some anarchist paranoid schizo came to our org two weeks ago and I listened to them ramble for ten minutes, politely nodding and humoring them just to see if there was anything important buried in their pseudoanalysis. There wasn't.

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>>2578712
you're retarded and shouldn't be humored

>if you ignore me and call me a schizo I win
gg no re

OP is right. I work for FEMA and we're totes going to round up and gas antivaxxers. The average user of this site has nothing to worry about, though. Only chuds are going to be culled.
Viva Obamunism!

>>2578712
they didnt care at palestine so the world will burn may they wake up and fight the evildoers or may they suffer the same fate they tolerated when it happened to palestine, indeed we are only the test population for them and it will be repeated worldwide by the international bankers, western leftists are delusional thinking they will stop after us do they not see how they have hijacked the banks worldwide? using their finances to influence politicians and laws? theres capitalists worldwide collaborating but the ones doing the steering are the zionists are they blind to that? if so may they feel it soon so maybe then they wake up



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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2575635
Even those authoritarian communists argue that its a necessary temporary phase to protect revolution from internal and external counter-revolutionaries. Anyone thinking that real communism is when there is a literal strong man dictatorship and youre a slave to state is mildly put ignorant about this topic.

>>2571366
>"Palestinians are reactionary" the only thing you're educating people about is that 'Marxism is for spiritually Israeli armchair pseuds'
Wrong. In scientific socialism, any violence by a subjugated population without even bourgeois rights under imperialist capitalism is acceptable in order to acquire economic sovereignty. You can see this with Marx accepting the separation of Ireland from England if the alternative is the continuation of the subjugation and exploitation of Irish workers, as long as it is not possible to organize English and Irish workers because of English chauvinism that deceives workers into not acquiring solidarity, then separation is an acceptable alternative so that in the future a socialist federation can be formed with more equal relations between Irish and English, but remembering that the ideal would be to organize English and Irish workers together for a socialist revolution acting together. This already helps to understand the position of defending the self-determination of nations that Lenin wrote.

Now let's start by explaining to you the question of what capitalist imperialism is with Lenin:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:


<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is complete
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>>2571366
>I've never once heard a single Marxist podcast talk to their undocumented slaves who actually have the jobs that depicted in the symbol of communism. Marxists have spent more time talking to worthless labor aristocrats like Contrapoints. Its impossible to explain why!

Contrapoints is not a Marxist, therefore it's irrelevant to what I'm writing. Remembering that I am from the so-called global south and I have solidarity with all workers of the world, including those of the so-called "first world," so that the proletariat acquires political supremacy to abolish private property in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Since you are talking about the labor aristocracy, then I have a quote for you from the source with Lenin that demonstrates that you do not know that this labor aristocracy is a small minority group of workers that exists to sabotage the workers' movement and weaken it by serving the bourgeoisie, deceiving other workers, but the victory in the class struggle of the working class also benefits this labor aristocracy that is acting as class traitors, unlike the discourse of resentment against first-world workers that third-worldists have been talking about, equating the interests of first-world workers with capitalist imperialism to create passivity and resentment, thinking that scientific socialism is based on a moralism of feeling pity for third-world workers:

<In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 188
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Post-the holiday, so I can talk a bit.
>>2574095
>okay, so why should i talk to you if you dont believe in democracy (rule of the people) on a supposedly left-wing board? you dont appear to believe in anything anyway.
Left wing isn't synonymous with democracy. There have been plenty of political movements which style themselves as "democratic" which operate with strictly anti-leftist goals. Bordiga outlines my issues with democracy in a revolutionary context cleanly https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/democratic-principle.htm
>is it possible to raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000 an hour? if not, why not?
What relevance does this have? No, but the point is the struggle for higher wages so as to heighten and elucidate the contradiction and conflict between prole and capitalist.
>okay, so again, you are forcing the ultimatum that one must either unconditionally support mass immigration or they are hitler.
Where did I say "unconditional support for mass immigration" once? It seems like you can only strawman my position, either out of a lack of understanding, or purposeful misrepresentation. A person who "unconditionally supports mass immigration" is also not operating with a proper communist mindset, as they are completely missing their role we play and necessity of what must be done.
>does marx say that mass immigration lowers the economic and moral condition of the native working class? yes or no?
And I posted his later developments and clarifications. Would you deny this? I don't think you would apply his standard to any other economist or even philosopher.
>you should know since you said marx was wrong. more lowly deception.
Again, where is the deception. I've been awfully accommodating this entire time for what little you provide.
>because youre a coward who both feigns ignorance but also have an implicit dogma.
I posted responses and sources, I don't think I've been feinging anything, while that of your claims seems to be ctrl + f for whatever agrees with you, and a stubborn obsession iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2531387
>You can see this argument regularly on 4glow now: communist states didn't have what they call mass migration, the students who came went back to their countries and contributed to their industrial

Obviously not, living there sucked. The Berlin Wall was erected to prevent people fleeing West Berlin



 

Living in an housing complex with 20 people and 2 showers, a sense of control is needed, if there was 30 showers, there would be no control needed.

Abundance and public ownership would create less of a need for police. I get that, but really I can't see the abolition of police because some guy will get always get drunk and do stupid shit
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>people will be hecking gooderino if we give them more stuff

Naive as fuck

police is the only thing I agree with MLoids with


Citizen militias brutalize and kill people just like cops do. The CHAZ disaster comes to mind.

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>muh cops
Cops are just the enforcers of the ruling class, if the ruling class is the bourgeoisie they represent their interests against ours, if the ruling class is the proletariat they'll represent our interests, being concerned about the police as an essentially negative thing is libshit. The American police force is particularly bad and militarized however, being something like the third or fourth largest army in the world



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What's some genuine extremists or ultra radical leftist opinions that you think are too radical even for you? I'm genuine curious to know some extremists position.
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>>2578290
mentioning islam but saying nothing bout yiddaism… well well well moshe ben yitzhak lets bomb some kids shall we? when hearing criticism on abrahamic religions without mentioning yidds always assume its a yidd. im denouncing the hadith now go ahead and denounce the talmud

Real communism has never been tried except one time in Russia where it was based but then became cringe.

>le radical
>opinions
Unashamed larper thread.

>>2578457
>communism
>tried
is it a state of affairs to be established or something?

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>>2578454
>>2578290
as expectred the bastard son of abraham is unable to denounce his beloved child rape talmud, either denounce all abrahamic religions or stfu, disgusting child killer apologetic.
picrel was chief rabbi of israel who also called blacks monkeys btw



 

He is correct as far as I know. Can any of you actually prove why you think he is wrong?

The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty.

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>>2578481
>Abloo bloo Yitzhak Rabin and Ben Gurion blew up the Atlalena and murdered Jooooooos
Cope

Rav Kook is better.

He is who created and popularized the term never again. It's a fascist slogan

Name looks like Mein Kampf. I have no further opinion.

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>>2578481
not listening to fasco yidd ramblings for an hour fuck you fuck all zionists i hope you hang yourself and your neck doesnt break so you suffocate until you die, these cunts are so evil even the israeli government designated them terrorist lmfao



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