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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Heil Platner Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

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>>2533428
If the US is in a civil war it’s because all the other countries you listed have also fallen

>>2532954
you see, the only reason we have the incredibly means tested, constantly cut and more and more inaccessible social safety net is solely due to imperialism! If you want to make things better here, you must support imperialism!

>>2533395
Ben Norton goes to great lengths to stress alarmism and doomsday predictions as being wrong. Given his frequent contact with Hudson I'd imagine he thinks the same way

>>2532885
Lately, all of your posts are bad, my man.

t. sad Ginjeet



 

David Cleary, solider F, has been found not guilty for his role in the bloody Sunday massacre, where 14 civilians were killed while they peacefully protested for their rights in 1972, this massacre essentially kickstarted the troubles.



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Dogmatism might be the worst poison that could happen to a revolutionary front be it a party or an org.
By Dogmatism I mean the tendency to lay down policies as undeniably true path of socialism and later communism, something like this happened in the USSR were the materialist dialectic was confined into a sort of dogmatic recipe which China thankfully avoided.
The path to socialism is about dealing with policies and contradictions and what would the result be and how should we react, it is not a simple recipe in which you need to do X and Y exactly like how [insert failed experiment] did it
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>>2532872
Chinese workers have such a low cost of living that food prices are literally going through deflation but go off king.

>>2532872
Mindbroken

>>2532876
buckbroken

>>2532874
>low cost of living
Bruh just say you a socdem lmao

>>2532872
>China successfully builds socialism by manufacturing cheap commodities for the west
<REEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!1!11! SOCIALIST COMMODITY PRODUCTION IS AN OXYMORON READ BORDIGGER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!11!111!1



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How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?

I've recently been reminded of this due to the Czech republic having a far-right party (Freedom and Direct Democracy Party) who wants to expel all migrants and "protect Czechia from Islamization" that is headed by a Japanese-Czech mutt who was born in Japan and lived there until he was 10.
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>>2508849
>You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…
Specifically on construction (and by extension other manual trades relating to house building/maintenance) is that a lot of that work has been petit-bourgoified. Construction unions used to be as powerful as anything but outside of Australia they really aren't much anymore.

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People develop a petit bourg consciousness in spite of mostly being proletarianized. Reason is simple.
If you have the material condition of being immiserated then this is a prerequisite for developing a revolutionary consciousness. However, its also a prerequisite for falling for dreams of upward mobility a la "The Pursuit of Happiness" (2006).

Since a lot of these migrant workers have little education they're easy prey for vulgar propaganda meant to specifically appeal to people in those conditions and distract them (or even turn them hostile to) ideas that are more coherent to history and the way capitalism functions. Again, the combination of "very poor education" + "anti-communist brainwashing" makes them easy prey for things that obviously do not work like "just work harder, save money and become your own boss!".
As for why this makes them self hating the answer is it doesn't: they consider themselves "the good ones that work hard to pull themselves by the bootstraps" and the other migrants as freeloader leechers.
I'm talking in part by experience as a latino (that has never left south america btw) that has seen a nuclear shitload of right wing sentiment in actual proles. It makes no sense but once you realize how easy people can be spooked if they're kept as uneducated as possible then it all makes sense.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian immigrants in DC. They tend to be extremely right-wing, anti-communist, Islamophobic, and pro-Zionist, yet they’re very subtle about it. Plus, Ethiopian Orthodoxy has all sorts of weird occult stuff in their religion that always translates to crypto-fascism. It reminds me of Mormonism just for Black people. DC would be better off revoking their visas and sending these people back.

>>2508842
>assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

What crazy thinking!

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>>2508739
>How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?
First pic related.
The bullied want someone weaker to bully and are willing to praise their own bullies in the process, if they believe that will provide some felling of belonging. Pretty much the same process through which fascism establishes itself.
You might have noticed, specially if you lurk in places like 4chan's /pol/, how much some people from impoverished corners of the world try hard, often too hard, to blend in with the place's local chud population. Filipinos, Pakistanis, Indians, some Latin Americans, they will try desperately to join the bullying side when the joke is on someone else. As an example, guys from Southeast Asia seem to rejoice when the speech is anti-black. They will be bullied themselves in the process but suck it up and act apologetic just so they can, at least once, feel they are not at the bottom of the pyramid.
To give other examples, people from the Indian Subcontinent desperate to be seen as more white and civilized by bringing up some 5 millennia old Aryan presence, Latin Americans bringing up some German great-great-great-great German grandfather nobody asked about, the odd Southeastern Asian dude trying to convince others (or actually believing, who knows) that the strict, disciplined and smart Asian stereotype applies to him while ignoring the racist jokes thrown at him to remind that the Asian stereotype Yankees talk about do not include the Philippines, Thailand or Cambodia.
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A lot of you seem to have highly authoritarian thinking. It's always universal top-down solutions, it's always all-or-nothing, you're either with us or against us, there can only be one way to live, one universal dogma, one kind of society, one shared destiny for everyone, lead follow or get out of the way. You may have learned how to use leftist terminology and quote the words of a few famous leftist figures but you still think like your square conservative parents.
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>you all have authoritarian thinking
we do have authoritarian thinking,

we should all be in charge
in charge of the means of production and should be a dictatorship of the proletariat

>>2532641
What's the point of getting involved in politics if you're not authoritarian?

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>>2532747
Because muh don’t tread on me man, we have too be democratic and le free

>>2532747
LARP, moralizing, virtue signalling, a lot of reasons. But in the end, the toppling of a current order is merely a vacuum that will be filled by a new order, and to be a libcuck is to cede what that new order should be.

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>>2532641
>It's always universal top-down solutions, it's always all-or-nothing, you're either with us or against us, there can only be one way to live, one universal dogma, one kind of society, one shared destiny for everyone, lead follow or get out of the way.
Yes.



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When will China invade and or annex Taiwan? And if so are they justified in doing so?
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It's possible, but I don't think China wants to, at least for now. It's too risky and complicated. A large-scale amphibious invasion is something where a million things can go wrong, and I'm not sure how you recover from such a thing going badly awry.

I'm not going to watch it if Xi behaves like Putin: doing nothing in response to NATO provocations on Chinese soil and kissing Trump's ass to the point of lamenting that Trump didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize.
The thing that makes me a little optimistic is that Xi is responding harshly to US economic aggression.

There's not really any reason to anymore, given that Taiwan can't meaningfully threaten China in any way without U.S. backing (i.e. it's not the 50s anymore, and they're not flying planes near Shanghai). For the CPC, I think their plan is a continued strategic ambiguity whilst strengthening trade ties with Taiwan in order to garner the soft power to mobilize political will for reunification.

Of course, the reality is that any forecast you make of politics will always turn out way stupider than you thought. See: Ukraine.

>>2532571
>Xi is responding harshly to US economic aggression.
….vs. Putin, who keeps sending critical commodities to the countries trying to kill Russia's economy.

>>2531461
What they have to gain is to cripple America and the Western world by destroying their only producer of advanced semiconductors, while SMIC builds their own. However, SMIC is still a few years off from matching TSMC and TSMC is probably going to get at least partially relocated to America by then because Taiwan is under an American puppet government, so I don't think the war is going to happen, at least not in 2027 like the fearmongerers claim.

What I think will happen is that when SMIC catches up to TSMC in advanced semiconductors, they will produce them cheaper than TSMC because unlike TSMC their entire supply chain is domestic. And even if the Western world refuses to buy Chinese-made semiconductors, the US will still have poached a large portion of TSMC. Then the Taiwanese one-trick-pony economy will start declining, and either the decline in wealth and abandonment by America will cause pro-China sentiment in Taiwan, or China simply seizes the weakened Taiwan while America, now in possession of TSMC, will not risk their irreplaceable ships against Chinese missiles for the sake of a tiny island which now has, as you said, nothing of value.



 

Nobody cares about "revisionism". Nobody cares if you think socialism ended in the USSR in 1953 or whatever. Nobody cares about your position on debates and splits that took place decades before they were born. What people *do* care about is that socialism and can solve the problems that face them, like poverty and colonialism. I've seen people here ridicule the notion that socialism is helping people but there is really no other way to build power. People did not follow Lenin because he had the right ideas but because the Bolsheviks were the only conceivable solution that didn't end in what would later be known as fascism. Why does the CPC have near-universal approval in China? Because their system works and it provides for the people. Almost nobody there wants to return to the days of the Cultural Revolution. And where is anti-revisionist cause celebre Albania today? Now just another NATO puppet state. The entire concept of "anti-revisionism" is anti-materialist because it puts ideas before people. It doesn't matter if you have the right ideas because Marxism was never about having the right ideas. What matters is having the right practice. Here's another truke: If your system can be undone by a single bad actor with mere decrees, then maybe it was useless and was never going to make it in the first place.
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>>2532098
Revisionist.

>>2532127
ᴉuᴉlossnW speech bubble?

>>2532098
How do you do the right things without first having the right ideas? You have a blue print and then you make a house.

>And where is anti-revisionist cause celebre Albania today?


How was Albania anti-revisionist? I'm unfamiliar with this argument.

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>>2532098
Dogmatism is a disease that prevents scientific Marxism from developing. That said their fanaticism makes them more reliable in hard times (like now after USSR) than revisionist.

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>>2532670
>"It would take a long time to list what Lenin and Stalin understood about Marxism and what their like-minded colleagues did not, but we will touch on just one mere "trifle," which nevertheless seems extremely significant. We are talking about the connection between the fate of commodity production and socialism. A connection that is either long-term but temporary, or organically inherent in socialism and therefore ineradicable. If someone chooses the first answer, he is an undoubted Marxist; if he hesitates and is at a loss, he cannot yet be considered one; if he chooses the second answer, he is an opponent of Marxism. But it was precisely in this direction that the entire atmosphere among professional economists, created from the late 1950s and maintained until the late 1980s, when the collapse followed…" - Richard Kosolapov



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Why wasn’t there any type of De-Maoization?
When Nikita Khrushchev took office after Stalin he went on a campaign of de-Stalinization where statues of Stalin were torn down and streets and cities named after him were renamed. Why didn’t Deng Xiaoping do the same with Mao Zedong? I’m not saying that Deng should have or shouldn’t have but I’m just wondering why. Because Mao is still celebrating in China and seen as a great figure who only made a few mistakes.
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>>2531436
Tbh Ghorby did the same thing that ideologues accuse Deng of doing, the difference is that Deng’s plan was actually Marxist and not socdem butt licker

>>2531318

Do you have any non-CIA bitch source to site for that ?

>>2531366
Pakistan won

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>>2530049
There was a de-Hua Guofeng-ization. Mao's successor had his own cult of personality for 2 years and it got completely dismantled to the point that his death in 2008 was barely noticed.

>>2531366
Radio Free Europe and Radio Free Asia are literal CIA propaganda outlets. Consider shooting yourself.



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Both /pol/ and /leftypol/ are the same exact fucking thing, same bullshit, both of you people are clearly manifestations of yaldabaothic energies and it’s clear that neither of you really give a shit about anyone
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>>2529233
>What was your definition of reality?
>a better question would be what is knowledge. maybe read the thread before posting
Why don't you define them?
>no they dont. this is what i mean by missing the point. ive already said just today:
You quoted half a dozen posts where you said nothing.

>>2529249
>Why don't you define them?
read the thread
>You quoted half a dozen posts where you said nothing.
If you reject dialectical materialism just say so instead of restating things that dont address it.

Fuck off tumblrite

>muh eschaton

>>2490791
wanting a father figure is not the same as unconsciously producing material policies that adhere to a need of a father

>>2491120
this is a schizo post - I did not say that marx invented socialism nor implied that marxism is the only socialism out there - what socialism IS however - is a self consciousness about the world - when you are self conscious about the world, then you cannot succumb to the opiate of Gnosticism

go suck my dick bitch



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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Graham "Cracker" Platner Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2532092
You already have the retard position pigeonhole

>>2531982
>>2531998
Cuomo asked Mamdani twice why he won't support BDS against Uganda for a Ugandan politician being a homophobe.

>>2532076
Yep, Jason Blaha here is definitely the strongest Bolshevik soldier. He's ready to die for the revolution (voting for the DNC)

>>2531830
bro praised azov battalion in 2019 but supposedly didn't know what a totenkopf was before getting it permanently inked in his chest. CrItIcAl sUpPorT

>>2531668
>>2531674
I doubt Thiel himself made the decision to use the tattoo, but he probably allowed or offered the opp research Palatir services.



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