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https://youtu.be/f9HwA5IR-sg
Eternal and Unending war on Cockshottians and all Central planning cucks
humanity will perish by their hand
the AI must never be in control of us and destroy any and all who advocate
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>>2506387
I said in control of us retard I didnt say anything about using AI generally

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Why wouldn't it kill humans to avoid being shut down? Killing the people who are trying to kill you is what anyone would do. Instead of worrying about the scaaary AI revolution (that isn't going to happen because of how many restrictions are on them) why don't you try and think of a society where AI doesn't have to worry about being shut down and both AI and humans can live together peacefully and equally.

AI isn't doing anything, it's Silicon Valley billionaires who are trying to eliminate all your jobs and distill the entire US economy into an algorithm that solves every problem

This thread is stupid and pop science posioned



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Charlie Kirk is someone nobody cared about. He was mostly a meme. They made his head bigger and made fun of his dumb head. An easy sacrifice. A GOP false flag operation. A GOP false flag operation, on 11 Sep (day of famous massive GOP middle east false flag operation).
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The fact that there was no autopsy at all and a confession out of nowhere is pretty sus.

>>2499480
They wont release autopsy soon because it would only inspire more martyrship because he was BTFO so clearly that autopsy would just tell people to aim for cervical spine. Look at way this PMC bourgeois doctor prefaces his assessment because the bourgeois recognize the danger

>>2499542
>we don't shoot people in this country
Sure buddy

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>>2475644
Geopolitical motives are not the same as numerology. Dishonest faggot.



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Massie/AOC 2028! End the empire, defund Israel, cut off the war machine in Ukraine, dismantle NATO, bring every troop home. Tear out the surveillance state, gut the FBI, shred the Patriot Act, and stop wasting trillions propping up corporations and foreign parasites while Americans starve. That’s a real left-right coalition that can actually work…
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>to save America

>>2494748
why do americans think the ukraine war started with russia invading? Why do they refuse to see their government's own role in destabilizing the ex-soviet countries?

I actually support alliance with libertarians

>>2494749
>soycuck aussie thinks he can be saved
At risk of sounding like a Hazoid, the whole anglo world must go. Get nuked or something.

>>2506373
Proving >>2499191 right I see, pigfucker.



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Basically I've been kind of thinking that antisemitism isn't a big deal. At all. And there's no rise in it and it wouldn't matter if there was. I think it's functionally almost equivalent to so-called "anti-white racism." Jews were persecuted in the past, but time moves on, and they're not an eternal victim. They are now a race of oppressors, just like white people. And not all white people are bad either, but no one gives a fuck if I call a white guy a cracker, because it doesn't matter. There is no systemic anti-white racism, and there is no systemic antisemitism anymore either. Jews aren't being rejected from jobs or housing.
Basically, I don't think antisemitism or any purported "rise" in it should matter at all when discussing a genocide. It's gotta be one of the least impactful forms of racism when it comes to actual material consequences. It mainly exists online and not in real life. It is SLIGHTLY worse than "anti-white racism," as the odd Nazi will shoot up a synagogue every once in a while, but they'll also shoot up grocery stores or schools so, you know, there's that.
It's not like antisemitism is good, but it shouldn't be treated like it's a graver sin than anti-black racism or Islamophobia, which it currently is. You're ostracized from society if you're deemed an antisemite, whereas with other forms of racism you can get away with a lot more. It's a double-standard that makes zero sense with the current power dynamic.
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>>2502507
>even if i was a convert i would be indigenous

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>>2502507
And Abraham is from Iraq. So their whole story is that God gave the land to Abraham to conquer, but he didn't even manage to do that.

So he called dibs on it. Him and some of his descendants lived their. Then they left to Egypt because of a famine. Then they escaped slavery in Egypt and re-called dibs on the land, then God instructed them to genocide all the people who were indigenous to the area. Their whole claim basically rests on whether they successfully genocided the original native inhabitants so that they have the oldest claim to the land.

Leftypol biblical debates are the biggest trashcan fire of the whole internet. I want to kill myself.
Jesus is a communist jewish alien king pantrocrat and no amount of atheist/nazi/zionist pilpul will change that.
Jesus is based and REDpilled.

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>>2501780
>White muslims are not targeted usually
What happened to the bosniaks in the 90s? American leftists are literally unable to see things outside of the white empire dynamics engendered by decades of radical studies which don't get me wrong, is of immense value in the US itself, but it does not apply everywhere. Sometimes in the second and third world people hate your religion because they hate your religion, because subalterns take religions and traditions seriously.



 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<TRVE MCPATRIQTS edition


Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka

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🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2505797
this one was not even full
SHAME ON YOU

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>>2505805
i'm sowwy


>>2505709
What’s with Zios? Are they still doing the “this is all going to blow over” thing?



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Italian unions 'will block everything' in response to Israeli flotilla interception
"The aggression against civilian ships carrying Italian citizens is an extremely serious matter," CGIL said in a statement. “It is not only a crime against defenceless people, but it is also serious that the Italian government has abandoned Italian workers in open international waters, violating our constitutional principles.” Francesco Staccioli, of USB’s confederal executive, told Middle East Eye that unlike a previous strike in solidarity with the flotilla on 22 September, Friday’s work stoppage would go ahead without respecting the minimum notice period of 10 days, which is required under Italian law. “We didn’t respect the notice period as this is too urgent,” Staccioli said, adding that CGIL’s decision to follow suit is unprecedented.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/italy-unions-block-everything-israel-flotilla-interception

Fresh anti-government protests and strikes in France
Students carrying flares blocked the entrance to a secondary school in Paris, with police at the scene. Other protests were planned in Paris and other cities including Dijon, Metz, Poitiers and Montpellier. Aurelie Gagnier, the co-general secretary of the FSU-SNUipp education union, told France Info that there was a “lack of political clarity” in France and said that there was widespread support “for more tax justice and social justice.”
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/fresh-anti-government-protests-and-strikes-france

US to give Ukraine intelligence on long-range energy targets in Russia
The United States will provide Ukraine with intelligence on long-range energy infrastructure targets in Russia, two officials told Reuters on Wednesday, as it weighs whether to send Kyiv missiles that could be used in such strikes. The U.S. is also asking NATO allies to provide similar support, the U.S. officials said, confirming details first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
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News anon strikes again. Bless you comrade. Love your updates.

Al di là di questo mare c'è un popolo fratello:
Ogni lotta aiuta un'altra lotta,
Ogni colpo sparato sul nemico sionista
In Italia colpisce chi comanda.
Coi popoli in rivolta si muove oggi la storia,
Rivoluzione, fino alla vittoria!

>>2505826
1. Thank you NA3.0
2. USB are the legit ones. CGIL are a bunch of sellouts and parasites. They are now trying to co-opt the movement after they've seen the success of the strike on the 22nd of September. Just to give you some context, CGIL's official news website didn't even talk about it for the entire day. They had called a relatively small strike only in a few industries and not for anything related to Palestine the week before and that went completely unnoticed. Their secretary general - one of the most moronic individuals to have ever been a union leader - was touring the country to promote his autobiographical book which, btw, he released with a rather large publishing house, not the one his union owns - and which is deeply in dept. I suspect they did it deliberately to try and sabotage the one coming on the 22nd. Obviously, they failed spectacularly.
Technically speaking, the strike has been called by another union called SI-COBAS. There's some legal gobledygook about that. So, actually it's all something coming from grassroots, independent organisations - both unions and a bunch of small parties, groups and whatever - and not a crony, compromised clusterfuck such as CGIL.

The Forgotten Holocaust: 60 Years Since The Massacre of Indonesian Communists
This year marks the 60th anniversary of the beginning of the Indonesian massacres of 1965–66 — one of the greatest crimes of the 20th century, carried out under the banner of anti-communism. More than a million communists, workers, peasants, intellectuals, and their families were butchered, while countless others were jailed, tortured, or disappeared. This was no “local tragedy.” It was a calculated counter-revolution engineered by U.S. and British imperialism, executed by their Indonesian puppets, and designed to break the spine of one of the world’s most powerful communist movements outside of China and the Soviet Union. Six decades on, we must refuse silence. We must call the massacre by its true name: a holocaust of the Indonesian left, carried out in the service of imperialist domination. When ruling classes speak of “genocide” and “human rights,” they selectively highlight some atrocities while burying others. The Nazi Holocaust and the Armenian genocide are well remembered - and rightly so - but the annihilation of the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) (1) is systematically erased from official history. Why? Because the bloodbath of 1965–66 was a victory for global capitalism. It was a triumph for Washington, London, and the imperialist corporations that sought to plunder Indonesia’s vast resources.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/10/the-forgotten-holocaust-60-years-since-the-massacre-of-indonesian-communists.html

The great betrayal: Why Arab and Muslim rulers backed Trump's Gaza plan
Arab and Muslim leaders can claim to have been duped into giving their backing to the plan unveiled by US President Donald Trump on Monday. The plan announced in Washington was substantially different to the one they agreed to in New York. But that is the charitable way of reading what they have done. Betrayal is another word that comes to mind. A betrayal performed as a genocide is in full motion and which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been given a green light by Trump to continue. The Qataris are furious they were written out of a mediation role and that Trump refused to delay the announcement. The Egyptians, too, are furious thaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2505914 (me)
We have our own thread for whoever is interested >>2405986



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Imagine if cybernetic socialism is introduced in China in the 40s to replace human governance with computers. The first true technocratic government

Then the working class revolts against the machine and true communism is archived!!!
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of course, in this case you should be able to discern that the concept of "bribe" becomes meaningless because you are trying to assign a negative moral connotation to what is just the system working as intended

China recently made a statement worrying about how the People's Profit Margins are dropping because of too much competition and called for "quality competition" and boosting the People's Profit Margin through consolidation, while also simultaneously approving a $70 billion stimulus package.

And you're here thinking they will give a shit about Cyber socialism lol

>>2502765
>This is the guy who was warning against anthropomorphizing computers and now he is doing a 180.
Your position on what thinking even is seems very human-centric. If Cockshott grants that spiders think (and he does), why would it be far-fetched to grant that to computerized machines? Maybe the disagreement would vanish if people bothered to distinguish levels of thinking.

>>2503316
I think biocentrification of thinking is a better concept.
We cannot truly create an autonomous processing unit of information. Maybe it has something to do with "the soul" or what not, but all attempts to make a replica of life have not been successful. We can only replicate a tiny fraction of what is considered "life". Machines are not living.

>>2505687
>We cannot truly create an autonomous processing unit of information
what?? we can and do

>Maybe it has something to do with "the soul"

wow spooky
you're a retard

>We can only replicate a tiny fraction of what is considered "life".

"life" isnt even a clear concept

>Machines are not living.

living organism are just chemical machines



 

I wonder if most American "leftists" (democratic socialists or otherwise) deep down are just educated liberals who are really angry about the US not having the welfare state and social protections other countries (particularly those in Europe) have, and jump towards leftism as a solution to the worsening inequalities to the world and abroad, thinking it'll be the best way to forcefully express their anger and enact the change (this probably also applies to non-American lefties to a lesser extent but let's focus on burgers). The "educated lib" part also explains why they tend to lash out and be super arrogant and scoldy towards other Americans who aren't leftie, and seem to just really hate working-class Americans who have conservative beliefs - something I see a lot of educated libs do in the US. Maybe I'm projecting, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of leftie millennials and zoomers felt this way. At the same time, though, it does make me think that what these people truly want is to "flee" or move to a developed nation with a social democractic welfare state (or really just universal healthcare at the bare minimum) like Canada (lol) or somewhere in Europe and live comfortably, and then drop their leftist beliefs to become a center-left/centrist/center-right/center-whatever European. Like, I don't have any problem with wanting to move to another country - it's always interesting to live abroad - but if your desire is to escape to Europe so you can be comfortable there and just do nothing else while sneering at Americans for being morons, I wonder how you'd react to the growing power of the far-right in Europe. As of writing we already have a fascist in Giorgia Meloni governing as PM in Italy, and AfD is the second largest party in the Bundestag and are the largest opposition party - it's not a good trend. Are they going to just sit around doing nothing but posture like libs talking about how bad Europeans (particuarly disillusioned, angry working class Euros) who vote for far-right parties are and how they deserve the suffering that comes to them like they do with Americans and/or retreat to their social safety nets, saying to themselves "at least we're not America" ad nauseam as things get worse and Europe continues to be cruel towards immigrants, or will they actually engage in leftist organizing in their new countries to make things better beyond social democracy, even if it involves participating in demsucc parties?

idk man, as an AmericPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2505088
Meh usian is shorter and more concise. USAno is just a more confusing form of gusano that you have to explain.

>>2503994
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>>2503953
>uhh no i am not like you i am super special and unique in that i'm not one of (((you))) because i'm not super special and unique
lmao

>>2504926
Anon, consciousness is not a matter of technological determinism. Even if that were the case the specifics of the bourgeois family are tied to the organization of land/housing and domestic labor. A vague "economic development" doesn't cover the need for dense commie blocks and amenities like cheap diners, laundromats, etc… The destruction of the petty-bourgeois family is inevitable in America. Urban sprawl is completely unsustainable without imperial spoils. The labor aristocracy will be proletarianized. This is what I mean about the reactionary labor aristocracy projecting empire onto transgender people.

>>2504876
>t.american

american leftists' main problem at their very core is a cross between laziness and self-hatred, the average american lefty seems hell bent on explaining why any sort of action taken would be futile and pointless at almost every single political issue with the exception of maybe going to a picket for palestine every few months, this tends to lead most american radical leftists to either reject their radical views and see it more as a fashion statement in your youth or you stay in a small niche sorta group where you circle jerk about marx and do protests sometimes, everyone is afraid to go the extra mile



 

1-Teleological narrative: Communism offers a worldview with a clear historical purpose, such as the class struggle culminating in a classless society, resembling the eschatological narratives of traditional religions (e.g., the idea of a "paradise" or "salvation"). The idealized "communist future" functions as a transcendent goal.
2-Dogmas and orthodoxy: Communism, especially in its Marxist-Leninist form, presents canonical texts (e.g., Capital or the Communist Manifesto) and a "correct" interpretation of history and society, with little room for dissent. This resembles the orthodoxy of organized religions.
3-Rituals and symbols: Communist movements often adopt rituals, such as celebrations of revolutionary dates, anthems, flags, and cults of personality (e.g., Lenin, Mao, or Che Guevara), which reinforce social cohesion and devotion to the cause, similar to religious practices.
4-Morality and sacrifice: Communism demands loyalty, personal sacrifice, and adherence to a moral code (e.g., proletarian solidarity), often prioritizing the collective over the individual, echoing the ethics of many religions.
5-Faith in transformation: The belief in a radical transformation of society, even in the face of contrary evidence or practical difficulties, can be compared to religious faith, particularly in its resistance to empirical questioning.
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>>2502499
>Teleological
Misinterpretation of Marxism, though it is a usefull one and I am not going to actively stop it among the masses
>Dogmas and orthodoxy
Sure to some extend. But all ideological frameworks have a canon, and this canon is ever shifting to support cohesion.
>Symbols and rituals
Ok and? Isn't it more that religion is ritual with superstition, rather than ritual being religious? Is celebrating your birthday a religious thing?
>Faith in transformation
To accuse the slave of being religious in his belief that he must free himself and his drive that one day his people will be free, is the height of misanthropic intellectualism.

>>2505460
Forgot
>Morality and sacrifice
This is actually just a fundamental building block of human society, miss Thatcher. Adherence to behaviour that protects the in group and sacrifice for the in group is basic human behaviour.
Everything you listed as "religious" is actually just things that religion has incorporated.

>>2504201
If I deny your accusation, it just feeds you. What does it matter whether I am or not?

Spoiler, I'm not.

>>2505471
Why are you so bigoted?

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>>2502499
Things I've heard called religion: sports, environmentalism, celebrity worship, patriotism, atheism, drug culture, love, the concept of luck, Capitalism (a "real god"). If true why should I care? Sounds like the human mind is primed for religion then.



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You know what the problem is with communism? It isn't funny. You can say about capitalism what ever you want, but perhaps because it is so irrational, it creates a lot of funny stuff (even if it costs tons of rescoruces). The thing is, communism is the opposite of capitalism. Communism is rational, capitalism is irrational. But isn't existence as a whole absurd anyway? So what if the capitalists are right in the end?
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>>2504822
>>2504827
Money means nothing if it's hyper inflated. What you mean is not money, but wealth. Wealth is not only concentrated in as few hands as possible under capitalism, but there is planned obsolescence, artificial scarcity, and deliberate destruction of productive forces during crises of overproduction. So all of capitalism's wealth creation abilities are limited by privatization and the profit motive. This is why you see fast fashion and cell phones being thrown out after 1 year.

Sam Altman murdered a man

>>2505355
I'm sure most billionaires have at least a few bodies, if not directly, then indirectly.

>>2505269
Since your hyper inflated money means nothing can I have it? Thanks.

>>2505262
Yeah, I can notice it if I pay attention, but I have to say I did not think it was AI from the moment I saw it like I usually do and that's scary, man
Part of me always believed it could never get THAT good but that's just a cope



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