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Questions about a theoretical communist state:

How would accreditation work under communism. Say there is a construction project. How would the materials be assessed to be of high enough quality, how would the plumbing electricity, etc be assessed to have been installed in a safe way? If one has to go into surgery how can they be sure that the medical team is operating in a properly sanitized environment without state set standards for what that would be?
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>>2893392
>without state set standards for what that would be?
"State" in marxism refers to the bureaucratic and military apparatus deployed to safeguard the interest of the bourgeoisie. This sort of administration would be abolished, just like the bourgeois revolutions in the late 19th/early 20th century abolished monarchical States.
For the administration of things, which is what you refer by State, these would be done by the people through democratic means. There's no reason that democratic assemblies could not confer oversight for regulations and safety norms to specific organs.

>>2895072
Are you going to respond to a video call at a random time of day with everyone else in the country, if not the world, to discuss and decide on regulations?

>>2893392
I suggest you read Marxist texts on the definition of the state. The state is an instrument through which one class oppresses another, because a class-based society is characterized by irreconcilable antagonisms between property owners, both against one another and against those who lack property, which inevitably lead to conflict. For this reason, an entity separate from and alienated from this society emerges to provide a certain hypocritical “order” that maintains the ruling classes in power within a class-based society.

<The state is therefore by no means a power imposed on society from without; just as little is it “the reality of the moral idea,” “the image and the reality of reason,” as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is a product of society at a particular stage of development; it is the admission that this society has involved itself in insoluble self-contradiction and is cleft into irreconcilable antagonisms which it is powerless to exorcise. But in order that these antagonisms, classes with conflicting economic interests, shall not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, a power, apparently standing above society, has become necessary to moderate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of “order”; and this power, arisen out of society, but placing itself above it and increasingly alienating itself from it, is the state.


<In contrast to the old gentile organization, the state is distinguished firstly by the grouping of its members on a territorial basis. The old gentile bodies, formed and held together by ties of blood, had, as we have seen, become inadequate largely because they presupposed that the gentile members were bound to one particular locality, whereas this had long ago ceased to be the case. The territory was still there, but the people had become mobile. The territorial division was therefore taken as the starting point and the system introduced by which citizens exercised their public rights and duties where they took up residence, without regard to gens or tribe. This organization of the citizens of the state according to domicile is common to all states. To us, therefore, this organization seems natural; but, as we have seen, hard and protracted struggles were necessary before it was able in Athens and Rome to displace the old
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There would be a state, just under a different name. Just how money would be labor credits.

Unless people evolve new psychological biological, functions, the state will take care of the deficiencies.

>>2893537
You are the idiot, because you are the anarkiddie.

>>2895103
Why change the name to begin with? To deceive people?
Engels (1872):
<These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm



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>>2895019
China is the chain that binds along with America that’s why they’re chimerica, you would have me working 28 hour shifts for productive forces

>>2894957
>Marxslop

What website do you think you are? 4chimps is that way.

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>>2894969
you have yet to do so

>>2894983
he died in 1883 at least look it up before saying stuff



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SACP takes aim at ANC-run municipalities as it launches election manifesto
The SACP said millions of South Africans were working and paying their way through life but were still unable to live with dignity. “Councillors vanish between elections,” the party said, accusing local political representatives of losing touch with the communities they are elected to serve. “This is not the democracy our people fought for. The party’s decision to contest the elections independently marks a significant political departure and is aimed at giving the working class its own candidates and political programme at municipal level.
https://africadaily.co.za/sacp-takes-aim-at-anc-run-municipalities-as-it-launches-election-manifesto/
https://archive.ph/9d50L

Observers report intimidation and violence during Zambian elections
Calls for a toning down of rhetoric came from observers, including those from the Southern African Development Community and the European Union, as Thursday’s votes continued to be counted. Vote counting was temporarily suspended on Friday following reports of violence against polling staff and the alleged theft of ballot papers. Counting resumed hours later after the electoral commission said the “security threat to the electoral process had been contained,” said Al Jazeera’s Haru Mutasa, reporting from the capital, Lusaka.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/observers-report-intimidation-and-violence-during-zambian-elections

Germany rethinks law protecting politicians from insults
Variations of this view find consensus across Germany’s fractured political spectrum. The far-left Left Party and far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party want the law abolished outright, while the CDU, Greens and center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) all support revising it. “Politicians like Friedrich Merz insult ordinary people in this country every day by calling them lazy or malingerers,” said Luke Hoss, a Left lawmaker, referring to the chancellor’s remarks that Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Puerto Rico Rations Water to 180,000 Properties Amid Drought
The cuts affect seven regions normally supplied by the reservoir and are disrupting water service for hundreds of thousands of people. As the rationing takes effect, residents in affected areas have been lining up at water trucks sent to distribute supplies. Puerto Rico recorded its driest July on record, while 68% of the island is currently experiencing drought conditions, according to the government. The U.S. Drought Monitor classifies conditions across most of the territory as moderate to severe.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/puerto-rico-rations-water-amid-drought/

US Navy destroyer adrift in South China Sea for four days after losing power
The USS Benfold, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer which had been sailing with the George Washington carrier strike group, was reported to have been towed to Subic Bay in the Philippines, according to the US Naval Institute News, an independent military publication.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/17/us-navy-destroyer-south-china-sea

Mamdani backs new protections for workers delivering packages
The Delivery Protection Act, sponsored by New York City Council Member Tiffany L. Cabán, would increase licensing requirements for companies that operate delivery-focused warehouse facilities, opening the door to expanded safety, training, and resources for delivery workers. Companies like Amazon frequently subcontract last-mile delivery to these types of facilities, leaving workers in a murky gray area without the traditional protections afforded to those who work directly for the retail giants.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mamdani-backs-protections-for-workers-delivering-amazon-packages-in-nyc-2026-8

Alarm raised over ‘privacy dilemma’ of facial recognition technology at Coles and Woolworths
The supermarket giants on Monday confirmed they had tested the technology and said thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

It's funny they put Mamdani and Erdogan next to the ayatollah and nasrallah #2 because they pose as much real threat to Israel as the former two (non)

Egyptian CP, Message from Egyptian CP
The Egyptian Communist Party has received the joint statement concerning the events that took place in the Egyptian-Sudanese border region, and what it contained in terms of condemning what it described as Egyptian military incursions and aggressions. While we appreciate the sentiments of solidarity with the brotherly Sudanese people and the concern of sister parties to defend Sudan's sovereignty and the rights of its people, we find it necessary to make some observations before taking our final position on the statement. The Egyptian Communist Party reaffirms its firm stance on the unity of the Egyptian and Sudanese peoples, the depth of the historical ties between them, and its rejection of any infringement on the sovereignty and independence of either country. It also affirms its absolute rejection of the loss of civilian and worker lives as victims of armed conflicts or military operations. At the same time, the information available to us so far does not enable us to independently ascertain that the Egyptian armed forces carried out military operations inside Sudanese territory. The official position of the Egyptian side affirms that the tasks of the armed forces and police in this area were aimed at combating illegal gold prospecting and pursuing illegal mining gangs, and that they took place within Egyptian territory and in border areas.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/Egyptian-CP-Message-from-Egyptian-CP/

Zeitung der Arbeit : 65 years since the construction of the Berlin Wall – The GDR and the Cold War
Sixty-five years ago today (13 August), the “Berlin Wall” was erected. Bourgeois media and all manner of “experts” are once again using the anniversary as an opportunity to wage their anti-communist propaganda campaign and engage in sweeping historical revisionism. Dictatorship, totalitarianism, an “unjust regime,” evil — there is seemingly no end to the labels attached to the German Democratic Republic. Terror, we are told, was omnipresent, with the Wall and the Stasi presented as its ultimate symbols. Not a word is said about the origins of the GDR, its achievements, or the historical context in which the Wall was built. Even basic facts and figures concerning border security are largely ignored, because they Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2894709
>mamdani
lmao just a mayor of NYC had created such a meltdown



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how is cute cat?
why is cute cat
me is survivor of commiunist
i have no good english
communism kill me brother when he was try escape
me is now in italyi was escape yugoslavia
>me love green
<me love orange




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Can we stop pretending that Stalinism is a leftist ideology? Stalin transformed the USSR into a reactionary state-capitalist shithole that retained nothing of the Left.
Just read posts by Stalinists - they are indistinguishable from Nazi ones, if you set aside the leftist terminology.
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>>2894585
>Except they didn’t. Vanguardism is designed for leadership control, not class control. War communism did not help
Nope it is designed for class control. Just say you wanted the whites to win lol

>You contradicted yourself here. The Soviets, the councils are not only the organs of the party, they are the party. If they were truly intertwined, the party would not be able to take a leading role in such a manner because it would be taking control from itself to give to itself, which is impossible in a actual revolutionary worker’s party, but is very much possible in a vanguard party because it is not about class it is about leadership.

No you are just retarded. They are intertwined while being separate things, the party takes a leading position because it is a centralized body. The soviet's were never "in control", that's why the slogan was all power to the soviets, this happened, it just turned out to be the bolsheviks who commanded that power. There's no issue, you just don't like the bolshies

>Which is not good

I know for you communist victory is certainly not good, for you are an anticommunist

>And are also part of the reason why it fell to pieces.

No they're part of the reason the revolution was even able to happen at all

>Talk is cheap

Cheap rhetoric is even cheaper. Obviously they did more than just talk, they made it happen
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>>2894714
>Nope it is designed for
Control by a specific leadership group. I didn’t know how this is hard for you to understand.
>They are intertwined while being separate things
That doesn’t even make any sense. They have to be one and the same, no exceptions.
>the party takes a leading position
That doesn’t make any sense either. The party is the proletariat and vice versa. How can it take a leading role over itself?
>I know for you communist victory is certainly not good, for you are an anticommunist
The armed proletariat exists in place of soldiers and the military.
>No
Yes. Another organization separate from the proletariat, another organization that ended up stabbing over the proletariat.
>they made it happen
They explicitly stuck with war communism and Vanguardism.
>The war wasn't bad, just the effects and the circumstances and the result were bad.
I literally just stated this in the greentext you just posted above.
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>>2894755
>Control by a specific leadership group. I didn’t know how this is hard for you to understand.
Nope the leadership group is just an extension of the working class, easy-peasy


>That doesn’t even make any sense. They have to be one and the same, no exceptions.

It does make sense, you're just retarded. They don't have to be one and the same at all. That's just some arbitrary rule you made up lol

>That doesn’t make any sense either. The party is the proletariat and vice versa. How can it take a leading role over itself?

The working class is obviously larger than the party? The party is a subsection that is representative of the whole.

>The armed proletariat exists in place of soldiers and the military.

Those soldiers were just drafted proletarians, there's still no issue other than you arbitrarily deciding it's not good. You are such a fucking idealist to the core man, it's crazy

>Yes. Another organization separate from the proletariat, another organization that ended up stabbing over the proletariat.

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>>2893668
Let us continue with what I am writing here:
>>2894496
>>2894503
Now responding to another opportunist who does not understand the supremacy of the proletarian class organized as a class in a distinct party independent of the bourgeoisie.
>>2894755
The First International, where Marx and Engels were involved, disagrees with you. Communists need a workers' party that is separate from the bourgeois parties. This way, the working class can gain political supremacy by spreading its ideas to create the dictatorship of the proletariat. It also prevents the masses from being co-opted to support the bourgeoisie.

<Against the collective power of the propertied classes the working class cannot act, as a class, except by constituting itself into a political party, distinct from, and opposed to, all old parties formed by the propertied classes.


<This constitution of the working class into a political party is indispensable in order to insure the triumph of the social revolution and its ultimate end – the abolition of classes.


<The combination of forces which the working class has already effected by its economical struggles ought at the same time to serve as a lever for its struggles against the political power of landlords and capitalists.


<The lords of the land and the lords of capital will always use their political privileges for the defense and perpetuation of their economical monopolies and for enslaving labor. To conquer political power has therefore become the great duty of the working classes.

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>>2894529
people should be allowed to be anticommunist on /leftypol/ so long as they're acting in something resembling good faith. this site was at its best when we had unironic socdems and liberals alongside anarchists, syndicalists, ecologists, and various other moderately interesting weirdoes instead of the same generic hotchpotch of generic apologia for dead states, russia simping, contrarianism, and insular channer masturbation.



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When people say "communism doesnt work"? Why not point out that it took liberalism like 300 years of failed revolutions and counterevolutions to finally settle?

When people say communism is le bad because of red terror, why not point out that liberal revolutions also had their own terror and repression against feudalist supporters?

I've said my piece
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>>2894185
People that disagree dont even know Marx 101.
The problem with capitalism isnt that its le bad but that it fulfilled its historical purpose long ago and stubbornly clings to power in spite of its obvious decay.

>>2894194
And Che Guevara and Mao also

>>2892719
Are you taking that shit so they don't draft you to fight in Ukraine for Cucktin's sorry, Abramovichs mansions?

>>2891850
I always wondered why you care so much about victims of communism when you intend to surpass their kill count? Shouldn't you be praising them instead?

>>2892743
Didn't you hear? In communism there will be no wars, no states, no special bodies of armed men. These are the people calling others utopian btw.



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Fuck the government, Fuck capitalism, Fuck hierarchies, Fuck private property. Anarcho Communism WILL win, Capitalism WILL lose, Fascism WILL lose. Rise up, Fight the power!
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>>2894341
>marxists are a laughing stock and fading rapidly into obscurity. Anarchism
Hows the weather in tel abib moshe?

Anarchism has been superceded by Communization anyways

>>2894447
>If you are a Marxist and you think there will be no hierarchies in communism, you are not a Marxist.
The opposite, actually.
>>2894448
Seethe

>>2894665
marx refuted egoism 200 years ago. stop speaking for what marxism is

>>2894141
I will become anarchist village rapist



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‘Board of Peace’ to launch ‘Hamas-free’ camps as Israel tightens grip on Gaza
Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom reported that the first site will open in Tel Sultan, near Rafah, “within weeks”, and house civilians “with no weapons or affiliation with Hamas”. It added that the zone will be policed by a “multinational force”, known as the International Stabilisation Force (ISF), which will be equipped with “non-lethal weapons” and operate from the Israeli Amitai Camp near Gaza under the command of the board. According to the report, while aid and temporary housing will be supplied to the areas, Board of Peace officials have pledged not to import concrete into Gaza.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trumps-board-peace-launch-hamas-free-shelters-while-israel-tightens-grip-gaza

So what's the lefty/pol/ Righist Cope Patrol's line on these countries joining the BoP under literal "chairman for life" Donald Trump?
· Vietnam (Ae Ea Ss!1)
· Belarus (Need I comment? Le last remnant of the USSR, guys!)
· Kazakhstan (/leftypol/ was REALLY SUPPORTIVE of when the Kazakh government and their Russian masters lethally repressed the proletarian-led (oil rig strike) protesters in 2022!)
· Cambodia ([search engine] Kampuchean People's Revolutionary Party (KPRP) if you don't already know about Vietnam's responsibility for this mess)
· BRICS vanguard Indonesia, UAE and Egypt!

/LEFTYPOL/ SEEMS REALLY AVOIDANT OF THE TOPIC! WHAT GIVES?
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>>2890999
I will become the October Road's strongest soldier the moment you actually have a successful revolution following that strategy. Until then, the October Road just just means not engaging in a revolution when there is an objective revolutionary situation worldwide. And no matter what subjective situation comes up, the followers of this strategy don't do anything to actually further the revolution. Modern security states in the first world will obliterate any organisation that isn't militant. PPW is the only practical solution.

>>2891065
UYGHA THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.
THE OCTOBER REVOLUTION HAS MATERIAL PROOF.
THE 'UNIVERSALITY' OF THE PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR DOES NOT.
WHY ARE YOUR LOT ADVOCATING IT, STARTING INTERNATIONALS, YET NOT PUTTING IT INTO PRACTICE? GO ON.

>>2891065
the absolute state of western leftism. fundamentally unserious people

>>2894325
You say that like western rightists are serious people

>>2870574
a significant chunk of human war history is something like
>i will stop catapulting your plague-riddled peasantry into the town square and having my men shit into every water source when you surrender
>also when you surrender i will pour molten lead down your firstborn son's throat to remind you not to use poor grammar when you write letters to me



 

Any predictions for the outcome of the 2026 American midterm elections?

Any socialists on the ballot?

Any guesses as to how the redistributing/gerrymandering issue will play into things?

How do you think issues like Trump’s wars, the tariffs, ICE raids, Black issues, Medicare For All, the climate, voting rights, abortion, trans issues, autistic/neurodivergent issues, and Palestine will affect the outcome? For instance, are we seeing a split in the Democrats over Palestine and other foreign policy issues?
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I think the economy is going to shit the bed hard some time in September and even with Trump and his allied Republicans eating incredible amounts of shit the Democrats are still going to hardly move the needle because all their energy is focused on combatting the DSA instead of Trump.

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>>2842692
They're all communist because thhe Democrat Party is being takin over by the Democrat Socialists. Trump is absolute good. The Democrat Party is absolute evil. The Democrat Party advocates veganism, 15-minute cities, DEI, ESG, mandatory vaccination, banning fossil fuesl, banning all guns, transgender in schools, eating bugs, Sharia law in America, men in womens sports and other communist policies all over America. The Democrat Party was going to create another plandemic with the CCP to take over America and but Trump and RFK Jr. stopped them. The Democrat Soaialists are a front for muslims and communists that want to take over America and make it like CCP China. Trump is going to win the Midterms and stop the communist Pedocrats. The Ten Days of Darkness is coming. Trump is King. God will prevail. Satan will lose.

They gonna have ICE piggers guarding voting stations

Trump is obscenely unpopular so it should be a blue wave unless Trump rigs everything. Which granted is a high possibility.
But if Trump was smart he would let the blue wave happen because the Dem leadership is too weak to impeach him or even really challenge his power beyond small nuisances. If he obviously rigs it, then it will piss a lot of people off and lead to instability. Maybe he wants instability but it would not work out well for him or his fascist friends.

Donald Trump should cancel the elections and become God Emperor for life



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I fucking despise roaders. They have completely ossified mindsets and won't ever change their minds no matter how much I argue (and I argue constantly for the most minor points) while I will publicly criticise myself if I was found to have taken a wrong line. Like they just ignore any evidence I bring up about the fascist state of China. Roaders are set in their ways and won't ever change, they are ideological zombies and the only way to deal with them is to put a bullet in their head and eliminate an enemy to socialism.

Anti-revisionism thread
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>>2888312
Said that wrong, I don't think they are uniquely revolutionary along with the working class, I don't think they could ever be the driving force because only the working class has the direct need to end exploitation, but I think unclassed people are much more 'revolutionary' than even the peasants are.

Without the cultural revolution there will be no socialism. Sorry!

>>2886812
>>2886831
>>2886819
How nice of you ""communists"" to self-report that you take communism so unseriously you literally can't even imagine it, or what it would take to establish it.
>""Left"" ""com""
As if I ever doubted it.

>>2888612
Squeaker

daltonite in the chat lmao



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