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Genel Türkiye siyaseti ile ilgili konuşun!

Li ser siyaseta giştî ya Tirkiyê biaxive!

Şıma qısey bıkı Poliya Turika!

Yurtişi siyaseti p'ara yoxaleps!

تحدثوا عن السياسة العامة في تركيا!
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Why is Turkey so nationalistic?

I am Greek but I really choose to ignore Greek Turkish relations. So I am clueless. If you asked me I would love Erdo to invade so that at least we get rid of the people in power now. What is something bad that Greece is doing or has done that you genuinely believe is bad.

>>2803264
Liberalism

Nothing happened to the Armenians in WWI and they also deserved it




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Laws didn't exist in the Stone Age. People would kill each other, shoot each other with arrows, strike with blunt objects, sacrifice people to deities, etc. It was a crazy time to be alive. Imagine being in neolithic europe smoking marijuana in a group by hanging around a campfire and burning cannabis flowers and seeds over a pot. It was Bat'ko civilization. This generation will never know the ecstasy of trve anarchy.

The main problem with anti-civ ideology in my estimation is that it cannot be implemented because there is no collective will to implement it, and if it were, the people implementing it would be committing suicide. Nature is struggle and evolution. Technology and civilization evolved out of nature. They are not purely and simply a negation of nature. If a bird can build a nest an ape can build house, and eventually, a city, surrounded by farms, paying grain tribute to the temple. The productive forces and forms of exploitation develop alongside the advancement of technique, and the game-theoretical logic of the various forms of human struggle run themselves automatically, independent of our individual willpowers, or our desire to negate the logic of competition for scarce resources with increasingly advanced technologies, or our conservative nostalgic desire to RETVRN fundamentally rooted in moralism: A desire to return to a beautiful and uncorrupted state of nature, when people lived short, brutal, lives, died of simple infections, bone fractures, sometimes dying for mistakes as simple as foraging the wrong fruit/vegetable/fungus and dying for it. To wage anti-civilizational struggle is to wage struggle against the very same productive forces we have accumulated which allow us to multiply and specialize. If technology is an arms race, and the people with the superior technologies and numbers of trained troops win struggles most of the time, then it follows that anti-civilizational struggle is the struggle of the weak, unarmed, and numerical minority to not merely disarm the strong, armed, majority, but to destroy those arms so they are never used again. There is no realistic path to do this. It is a fantasy.

>>2809468
Ancient peoples lived under constant and total social surveillance. Not even modern people with all our spyware begin to approach the reality of ancient life. They lived in a tribe that demanded total devotion and without which they would perish. The destruction of that unit was the same process as creation of the family.
Now you know why anarchists are fascist. Fascists wish they could capture a tiny portion of that spirit of ancient man.




 

I don't like taking sides in a conflict I lack some knowledge of but…….How is Pakistan not in the right when it comes to Kashmir?

the conflict basically started when Kashmiris, Ruled by a deeply reactionary and horrendously oppressive minority hindu monarch, Rose up because of their appalling poverty and excessive taxation. One of the most exploited people in India.
Then Pakistan assissted the popular uprising and went to war on it's behalf, The monarch agreed to join India just to suppress the rebels via the Indian army which resulted in the mass-slaughter of the Muslim Kashmiris in the southern region of Jammu .
Most Kashmiris still hate Indian rule and today it's the most militarized region of earth.
Shouldn't it leftist circles be more concerned with this issue?

India and Pakistan are both colonial institutions and should be merged into one SSR

And Pakistan is totally not a deeply reactionary and oppressive country today and treats its minorities perfectly well right?

1) Kashmir is 35% Hindu (the original indigenous inhabitants of India)

2) Those Hindus would fight a civil war rather than join Pakistan and suffer oppression in Pakistan.

3) Kashmiris Muslims dont bother to fight for seperation, as evidenced by severe decline in protests and terrorism in the region. Remember they should fight not just the Indian government but also half of the Kashmiri population who don't want to join Pakistan.

4) Only Pakistan uses this issue as a geopolitical wedge. No other country, not even China, bothers to do anything about this issue as antagonizing India to that extent is not their goal.




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>>2808923
>real life is the internet

>>2808924
you certainly seem to think so

>>2807368
even in video games i learned that if you shoot at the abdomen then the next shots tend to land still mostly around the shoulder-level

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my boy says not guilty.

>>2807368
the headshot meta appeared before videogames,,it goes back all the way to decapitations and it's not even the first media to be obsessed with it,movies loved that back in the 80's,the head being the "vessel of the soul" of a person and thus insta killing them is pretty ingrained. (also omg child golshi)



 

There's 53 Options: What do you want the state religion of your regime to be, once you get one?

The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty The body was too short or empty
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Slavic paganism

marxism marxism-leninism is atheism

Daosim 5 year wu wei plan

>>2809095
☯️ased

Atheism or you end up being re-educated. How is this even a question?



 

I have an anarchist YouTube channel.

I have a unique analysis on things. I'm not an ancom. You could describe me as an individualist anarchist or as a primitivist anarchist.
Check it out and tell me what you think! https://www.youtube.com/@diodtheanarchist
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>>2809972
Yes; sexual vs sexy is certainly concise. Žižek as a conservative understands this most utterly; that there is a deficiency (e.g. a boredom) in positive excess, while what excites stimulation is mediated by negativity. An example is in how Žižek describes a male porn star who was impotent on set, and so who watched porn to get an erection. Here, the object could not cause its own desire, but had to be narrativised in its fantasy. This is also why all pornography has a story, and all sexual performance is symbolised. In terms of social discourse too, flirting does not work by direction, but indirection, and so euphemism and play reveal by obscuration, like clothing, which in covering the body, cause a desire for it. We see in animals also, the complex rituals of attaining a mate, like singing and dancing in birds. So, sexual selection is not rationally constituted (otherwise girls would like the 'nice guys', but we know they don't).
>Eroticism in civilization is the only way to live with the 'sexual repression' required for civilization to exist and still live a happy life for most people, I think.
I think that we should just ban porn, and replace it with erotic art. Porn is manifest uncreativity.

>>2809998
Yes, more sexy nude paintings please! And paintings of nearly nude women with drapery on them <3

If communists want to spread revolutionary consciousness, we can do so through attacking the porn industry. It will also help with algorithmic merge.

Diod!
I wonder what you think of this gentleman?
Can the urbanites be saved with the tedpill?

>>2814655
Props to him!

I think /some/ urbanites can be saved with the tedpill. Most are doomed though.

>>2815411
First priority of the urbanite going into nature is to burn down all the forests because kaczynskites are subhuman species traitors



 

There is no hope. There is no movement. I keep waiting for the spark. For a bifurcation in the continuum. I remain dissatisfied. Capitalist Realism stands undefeated, cruising on easy mode. The Communist movement has been successfully destroyed internationally by American finance capitalism: the last imperialists.

What's for us, committed guerrilleros? Conversion to Islam, I guess. Jihad is the last form of resistance. This is the American Century.
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bleak

>convert to Islam
What if I don't want to fuck goats?

>>2808982
pork and alcohol are your life because you’re a treatler

Guy who never actually did anything in his life : "Oh man I'm so exhausted and depressed it's all over man".

I suggest you actually follow through with this larp and kill yourself



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I want to learn about the french revolution more after checking out De Toquevilles analysis of its cause and a little in Age of Capital by Hobsbawm. I've read some manifestos from the times (Babeuf, Robespierre) on marxists.org but want more history that refers to primary documents. Are the minutes of the early parliaments available, or polemics between the factions? Just give me everything pdfs or recommendations.


file unrelated

>>2804221
>Are the minutes of the early parliaments available, or polemics between the factions
Some of the most well known speech are available on the french assembly website
https://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/decouvrir-l-assemblee/histoire/les-grands-discours-parlementaires

but if you want the primary source of the first parliamentary debates, according to this
https://shs.cairn.info/revue-parlements1-2010-2-page-146?lang=fr#s1n2
you gotta read "Le Moniteur universel"
Theres apparently an old history book version of it "Révolution française ou, Analyse complète et impartiale du Moniteur" that you can find online
https://books.google.fr/books?id=pTM_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PP9&hl=fr&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

But even better, the BNF apparently have it digitized, then you can really feel like a 1789 frenchman reading about the debates in the news, starting from the estates general (pretty amazing honestly) :
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb34452336z/date1789.r=
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k44109553

>>2804993
some good books of the period would prolly be the best ofc, but Im no expert on that front
maybe "1789-1792 / 1792-1794 : Les deux Révolutions françaises" by Henri Guillemin who is a well liked historian by leftists here in france, although it might be a bit dated now.

My entire view of jacobins is based off of TFR and it will be extremely hard to change that



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What exactly explains the (American) left's obsession with trying to "convert" right-wingers to the left?

I ask, because I've been politically active on the far-left for almost 20 years (I'm in my mid-30s) and I've seen this pattern going all the way back then. When the Tea Party crap was a thing in 2009-2010, there were a lot of leftists (mostly Trotskyists and Chomskyite anarchists) who wanted to "show them the light" and convert them to leftism. The logic was, these people have very real grievances but they've been brainwashed by the media or whatever to embrace the right instead of the left. Nowadays I see a lot of leftists talk about converting MAGAts to Marxism or the new wave of TradCaths to Liberation Theology. Hell, I see so many atheist leftists repeat the "JESUS WAS A SOCIALIST" mantra despite having zero stake in any Christian theology, simply because they believe doing so will win right-wring Christians over to socialism. I also see heavy, heavy romanticization of Appalachia and Appalachian culture to the point where comrades will say things like: "WE NEED TO TAKE BACK THE TERM 'REDNECK' AND MAKE IT RADICAL AGAIN!" – cool story bro, Harlan County voted for Trump by over 80%.

So why though? It doesn't help either that this seems to be a distinctly American phenomenon. When I speak to comrades in Europe, Asia, or LatAm, they make it very clear there is no converting a fascist or a communist, or a TradCath to anarchist. They're under the assumpton that you don't missionize to the right-wing on the basis that "deep down they're a good person", you fight them. There are material reasons why right-wingers remain right-wing and chose reactionary and exclusionary politics over radical leftist ones. TradCaths, Evangelicals, and Appalachian hillbillies aren't going to become communists just because Penny the Pink-Haired Grad Student panders to them.

>pic unrelated; it's a banana
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Talking to apolitical workers or moderate leftists is fine. Talking to conservatives can be okay if they share your material interests (i.e. they're working class), but it's a poor investment of your time and energy for obvious reasons. Talking to fascists and the bourgeoisie (even petite bourgeois) is counterproductive, complete waste of time.

>>2808852
i'm sure worshipping the same guy is gonna get you real far in a country detached from it, but what do i know? i'm just an ultra!

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>>2808695
Simply talk about all the obvious ways in which capitalism is completely antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. He tells his followers to care for the poor and the downtrodden, that the accumulation of wealth at the expense of others is sinful, that property should be held in common and distributed according to need, etc. In short, simply identify to them the myriad of ways in which capitalism compels and encourages people to behave in ways that are the complete opposite of Christian teachings. From there it's a small leap to point out how a socialist society would be objectively closer to the application of those teachings on a national scale.
>>2808639
>Massive scientific and technological activities that would have been greatly hampered in an environment lead by the retarded superstitions of backwards religions institutions.
And yet countries like the US which didn't engage in any crackdown on religion made similar advancements and often surpassed those of the Soviet Union. This isn't the 17th century, no mainstream Christian denomination teaches that scientific inquiry and research is a bad thing. On the contrary, some of the largest denominations (like Catholicism) actively promote it as a means to better understand God through studying creation.
>the rift already existed
The rift existed between socialism and established religious institutions. Those institutions like the Russian Orthodox Church absolutely needed to he subjugated and neutralized. However it doesn't follow from this that religion in general should be demonized. The correct course of action would be to promote schools of religious thinking which were compatible with the revolution. This is the current approach in China. If a reactionary priest tells somebody that they cannot be both a Christian and a socialist, we aren't helping our cause by confirming that and allegation and forcing Christian workers to choose between their faith and their class. We would be much better off convincing them that not only can they be both, but that their faith compels them to be a socialist.
>Religious "Marxism" rejects dialectical materialism
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If you believe the world was immaculately concieved you are not a materialist. Simple as

>>2808837
>Reading my posts I see I might come across as a concern troll and I’m sorry if I do, but I’m really asking here
No, it's fine. And even if you were, it can still lead to an interesting discussion.

A big thing in Marxian historiography is that, while the overall direction of history is in a given direction, on a moment-to-moment basis, it can still go backwards. It took centuries worth of back and forth for capitalism to overtake feudalism, so long that feudalism still existed in Russia by the time the Russian revolution had occurred. Whether or not we actually are moving in the direction that Marx and Engels believe us to be is debatable, but that's a whole conversation unto itself.

>>2808852
I don't see what any of this has to do with anything.

>>2808877
>And yet countries like the US which didn't engage in any crackdown on religion made similar advancements and often surpassed those of the Soviet Union.
The US also has a construction that protects people from religious authority. Both countries were still, from a legal perspective, secular, so the distinction isn't quite as large as you think.

>This isn't the 17th century, no mainstream Christian denomination teaches that scientific inquiry and research is a bad thing. On the contrary, some of the largest denominations (like Catholicism) actively promote it as a means to better understand God through studying creation.

See above. And crazed Christians who want to live like it's the middle ages absolutely exist.
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The majority of ‘anti-fascists’ are anarakkkidies and shitlibs who a pose it purely because of “Muh democracy” or “le authoritarianism” the lies about communism are basically the same lies about fascism, to be frank fascism at its core is a better alternative to capitalism but not by much. I suppose fascism also was, at least under hitlers policies,very antisemitic and anti-gay, but there are plenty of Queer-phobic communists and many communists where anti Isreal and sometimes anti-Jewish to some extents(xDDD)

Anti-fascists and fascists are both liberals fighting to the last worker for the sacredness of capital

The left and right are meaningless bourgeois abstractions. We are the real movement. Next question?

If you reply to this thread you're either a troll or retarded

>to be frank fascism at its core is a better alternative to capitalism
No it isn't you stupid simian chimp

i hate them because i hate all social-democrats

Most rank-and-file fascists in a fascist state like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy would be rank-and-file Communists in a socialist state TBH



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