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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
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This kind of also ties into "liberty", which in itself is very theoretical. In practice, it's how much power you possess, which is usually in the form of capital nowadays.

>>2934175
By that logic you can never really own anything because someone could just come and take it away from you

>>2934179
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2934180
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2934181
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real



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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
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>>2933652
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2933653
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2933654
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real

>>2933646
>>2933648
That is the idea.
"Mine" and "thine" is mediated by the Sovereign, who is the collective "mine" and "thine".
Property is only excluded from other subjects, but your sense of "property" is in the same way that a child has possessions in his father's house. Technically, the father owns the entire house, but you still get your particular room and items.
As far as Hobbes is concerned, this is as good as it gets.
Without security to procure any fruits of property, there would be no foundation for property at all without unceasing interruption and jockeying (which is no basis for any prosperity, you cannot begin any industrial venture if it keeps being interrupted on insecure grounds).
Hobbes cites Cicero (a staunch proponent of liberty) for proof of this:

Thomas Hobbes
>Which is so evident, that even Cicero, (a passionate defender of Liberty,) in a public pleading, attributes all Propriety to the Law Civil, "Let the Civil Law," says he, "be once abandoned, or but negligently guarded, (not to say oppressed,) and there is nothing, that any man can be sure to receive from his Ancestor, or leave to his Children." And again; "Take away the Civil Law, and no man knows what is his own, and what another man's."

This is ultimately back to the guarantee of arbiters.
Where does your property begin or end? –You cannot just say, "This is mine" over someone else's "thine" without conflict. That is the role of the arbiter to mediate and say, "This is thine" to you and "This is thine" to someone else, and the "mine" and "thine" between every person of the State is manifest through the cult of personality of the Sovereign, who is the person for all persons, bringing all of "mine" and "thine" into harmony, so everyone can feel at peace with each other.

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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
4 posts omitted.

This kind of also ties into "liberty", which in itself is very theoretical. In practice, it's how much power you possess, which is usually in the form of capital nowadays.

>>2933552
By that logic you can never really own anything because someone could just come and take it away from you

>>2933556
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2933557
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2933558
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real



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I think I'm "liberal" as far as Hobbes goes but I don't necessarily agree with anyone else in the tradition. Guarantees of liberty, property, and happiness is a bit of a stretch. I don't really have liberty or what I would consider liberty. I don't own property and even if I did I would have to pay taxes to it otherwise it gets taken away by the Sovereign, so it's not really mine. And then there's happiness, which is not, exactly real. I just think some people in the liberal tradition went too far with this. Alot of it seems very spooky.
4 posts omitted.

This kind of also ties into "liberty", which in itself is very theoretical. In practice, it's how much power you possess, which is usually in the form of capital nowadays.

>>2933542
By that logic you can never really own anything because someone could just come and take it away from you

>>2933546
Unfortunately, yes, it is mine insofar as I'm able to keep it according to the norms of society.

>>2933547
Sure but you can say the same about anything, you might get beheaded if you break the rules also does that mean your body is not yours? Don't chase impossible ideals, pay your property taxes and be happy, it's still far better to own than to rent

>>2933548
Your life and its experiences is more real than these other memes that the later liberal thinkers tend to attribute as real



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In theory, supposed the entire world became a communist, does that status of the world entail the "end of history" for mankind or there could be a new socio economical system after communism too? In other words: is communist society the end of history or we keep evolving forever?

>>2932421
Communism is just the end of history from the basis of the class struggle as it has existed so far. Social evolution will still occur and there will probably be new realms of societal struggle in time.

>>2932421
>keep evolving forever?
I don't see why not. The thing is, Marxism might also die out (at least an "ideology") because there would no longer be a need for it and then people would come up with something different in order to better solve problems that emerge at the stage of an interplanetary civilization. It's not an eternal worldview, it's a historically produced critical theory of a particular social order.

>>2932421
Yes next would be the robot revolution, putting people in the matrix, gray goo, humans becoming the borg, vengeful aliens turning us into postmodern art, that kinda thing.

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>we cant know

>>2932421
Communism is the end of the prehistory of mankind.



 

Israeli forces impose curfew on non-local workers in rural Al-Quneitrah
Israeli forces have warned residents of Hodr village in Al-Quneitrah country that non-local workers will not be permitted to remain past 7:00 PM. Military checkpoints also issued direct warnings to non-local laborers, ordering them to leave the village before the daily deadline
https://www.syriahr.com/en/386593/

Israeli rights groups sound alarm over surge of mostly Palestinian inmates being shot by guards
Physicians for Human Rights Israel and the Public Committee Against Torture (PCATI) in Israel say they have documented 22 cases. One is Israeli; the rest are Palestinian. Nearly all of the shootings have occurred since last autumn, whereas only a handful of such incidents had been documented by these rights groups in the prior decade.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/israeli-rights-groups-sound-alarm-over-surge-mostly-palestinian-inmates-being-shot-guards

Iraqi Kurds suggest peace process between Iran and Iranian Kurdish opposition
It is not the first time that Iran has negotiated with the Iranian Kurds. On 13 July 1989, during negotiations between Iran and Iranian Kurds, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan (PDKI) leader Abdul Rahman Ghassemlou was assassinated in Vienna, while another former leader, Sadegh Sharafkandi in Berlin was assassinated on 17 September 1992. Also in 2011, the PKK-affiliated Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK) and Iran reached a ceasefire agreement after Iran agreed to stop executing Kurdish political prisoners if PJAK ceased its attacks. PJAK did not respond to a request by MEE for comment.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraqi-kurds-suggest-peace-process-between-iran-and-iranian-kurdish-opposition

Albania’s prime minister vows not to resign over student-led protests
The unrest – in contrast to the largely peaceful protests of recent months – marks the veteran leader’s Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Texas prosecutor considering felony charges for ICE agent who ran over man
Sean Teare, district attorney for Harris county, said video of the incident in west Houston on Saturday morning, in which the officer’s unmarked SUV is seen veering into the man as he runs away across an empty parking lot, could support a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/14/texas-ice-agent-assault-charge

Judge finds Elon Musk, Kristi Noem engaged in premeditated campaign to smear ex-FEMA official
A federal judge on Tuesday found that billionaire Elon Musk and former Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, as well as other senior Trump administration officials, engaged in a coordinated campaign to spread false information about a former FEMA official and impugn her integrity.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-kristi-noem-mary-comans-fema-official/

EPA rollbacks could shift pollution costs to NC families, report says
The report, “North Carolina Left Exposed,” was released Wednesday by the Environmental Protection Network, an organization of former EPA officials. It warns that federal changes could shift more responsibility for preventing pollution and paying for its consequences to state agencies and families. The report brings together existing research and policy changes involving PFAS - or forever chemicals, coal ash, animal agriculture and pesticides. It does not provide a new statewide measurement of pollution increases or a total estimate of additional household costs.
https://www.wral.com/news/local/epa-rollbacks-nc-families-pollution-exposure-october-2026/

Georgia man sues Flock, sheriff’s office over alleged ALPR-fueled retaliation
A small-business owner in Georgia has sued Flock and the Coweta County Sheriff’s Office over alleged retaliation using license plate cameras. “[The lawsuit] alleges illegal [license plate tracking] searches over many months without proPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

CP of the Workers of Spain, Building Working-Class Opposition to Capital and Its Governments
The Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Workers of Spain (PCTE), meeting at its Fifth Extraordinary Plenary Session, has analysed the political situation arising from the mobilisations for the right to housing, the calling of an early general election for 29 November, and the announcement of a general strike for 11 November. These events, which have unfolded over the course of just a few weeks, reflect the sharpening of social contradictions that directly affect the living conditions of the working class and pose new tasks for those of us who defend the need for a political alternative independent of the interests of capital. The mobilisations sparked by the eviction of Maricarmen Abascal have once again exposed the severity of the housing problem in our country. Rising rents, difficulties in accessing housing, the inability of large sections of working-class youth to establish independent households, and the insecurity faced by numerous families are all part of a reality that cannot be separated from the general deterioration of the living conditions of our class.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-the-Workers-of-Spain-Building-Working-Class-Opposition-to-Capital-and-Its-Governments/

France: 17 October – towards a revolutionary crisis?
Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of workers and youth mobilised across France for the latest in the recent wave of student-led protests sweeping the country. With 90 percent of French universities and hundreds of schools shut yesterday, it is clear that this youth-led movement has not been cowed or diminished in scale, despite brutal police repression. We publish below an article by Jérôme Métellus originally published in French at marxiste.org, which lays out the tasks ahead, if the successes of yesterday’s protests are to be turned into a struggle that can deal a killing blow to the hated Macron government.
https://marxist.com/france-17-october-towards-a-revolutionary-crisis.htm

“If Bolsonaro wins, they kill us; Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thank you based news anon



 

Before you were exploited by actual humans who you might be able to relate to one some level as humans. Now with RentAHuman you can be exploited by soulless inhuman AI "agents."
https://rentahuman.ai/
https://rentahuman.ai/
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>>2914238
You do understand that this AI is rented by a human?

>>2932609
Human is rented by AI

Makes me think I heard two hypothesis about the far future of AI in marxist theory in the framework of a capitalist system, on one hand it could subsume the bourgeoisie and act as the capitalist class, taking decisions regarding investments, political decisions and so on. On the other it would become the worker, competing on the market, reproducing itself, selling its labor power etc. Maybe it'll be both

>>2914238
That's automation of HR's department and temp agencies, not AI becoming Porky.

AI is a scam and most AI companies are bleeding money.



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Is it TRVE that most people will excuse any kind of depravity being commited by their government provided that their basic need are met? If they PERSONALLY live in peace and have a full belly they couldnt give less of a shit about public dismemberments, child floggings, arranged marriages, torture and even mass murder of undesirables of society? If this is true then thats dark as fuck and gives me a good reason to have zero empathy for the working class. If they are going to act like barely sapient animals then maybe they deserve to be treated as nothing more than that by the bourgeoise.
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>>2932564
None of this has anything to do with morals. Being against something that hurts the fellow man is common sense. Not moralism. Especially if its state sponsored.

>Those FUCKING proles won't commit suicide bombings for Palestine! I FUCKING HATE HUMANITY!!

>>2932566
>common sense
Literally the spookiest concept imaginable.

>Is it TRVE that most people will excuse any kind of depravity being commited by their government provided that their basic need are met?
It's not true. Most people are dissatisfied with "their" government and also their lives. The reason they don't rise up in revolt is they are afraid to put their lives on the line and afraid that their situation could be even worse than before if the current system is destabilized.
> If this is true then thats dark as fuck and gives me a good reason to have zero empathy for the working class.
You say this as if you're not yourself dispossessed of the means of production. If you are in fact not a booj, and indeed an Egoist, then you should know having empathy for other proletarians is not what is needed. You need to foment class consciousness among the proletariat because your self interest and the class interest of the proletariat are identical: the overcoming of the subordinate condition, the reappropriation of the means of production for the fulfillment of maximum self interest. Read the Greed Book.

>>2932562
Yes, proles are assholes. That's not the point. People organize for the revolution due to their material interests, not because they're good people. Most proles enjoy casual sadism against minorities. That's not the point.



 

If capitalism were a guy would it be morally acceptable to rape it? I think it would be morally acceptable but im curious to hear what you guys think. I really think this is a necessary step to take to really becoming a leftist
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>>2932510
Literal anthropomorphisation of abstract phenomenon is fascist.


>>2932594
Biopolitics

>>2932595
This still doesn't explain anything.

>>2932593
no it's theist



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…the bifurcation of communism into the real movement and the ruthless criticism…

the real movement: practice
the ruthless criticism: theory

the real movement: base
the ruthless criticism: superstructure

the real movement: production/innovation
the ruthless criticism: consumption/review

the real movement: maoists
the ruthless criticism: leftcoms

the real movement: iran bombing oil refineries making an economy dependent on oil look stupid
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Just abolish money and replace with labor vouchers ffs

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>>2932136
we must rebuild society so that accumulation of means of production by force is impossible

>>2932136
i declare money abolished


>>2932122
Marx's passages are synonymous in their significance, op is a classic false dichotomy



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