/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Don’t trust the government with abolition of most jury trials
PUBLIC anger moves MPs. The government’s retreat on the two-child benefit cap reflects pressure from campaigners and trade unions. But if Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves have had to temper their attacks on the poorest, they have not let up in their administration’s extraordinary authoritarianism. This hit a new low with David Lammy’s proposal this week to abolish jury trials for anything other than rape, murder, manslaughter and certain offences passing a “public interest test;” and to allow judges to determine guilt on their own where the sentence is anything less than five years in prison. This is more extreme even than the proposals by Court of Appeal judge Sir Brian Leveson earlier this year. His recommendation was that defendants should lose the right to opt for a jury trial when the maximum sentence was two years or less.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/dont-trust-government-abolition-most-jury-trials

The Alternative Economic Model of Europe’s Nationalist Right
After the global financial crisis of 2008, Hungary’s Fidesz government was one of the first to adopt a partially heterodox, national-conservative set of economic policies. It was to become a role model for many nationalist right-wing parties. By 2015, the Law and Justice party (PiS) administration in Poland was seeking to emulate it. This made Hungary and Poland forerunners of novel forms of right-wing nationalism that blended concepts of nationalist neoliberalism in selective ways with neoconservative ideas. What can the experience of these two countries tell us about the viability of this approach to managing capitalist economies, as the nationalist right continues to advance across Europe and North America?
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/economic-nationalism-right-poland-hungary

Communist Party of India (Marxist): RSS – Roots and Wings of Authoritarianism
ELEVEN years of rule of the Modi government has seen a drastic and dangerous erosion of democracy in India. This is not confined to just the electoral system but to all round dismantling of democratic rightsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Dominican Republic grants US access to restricted areas for anti-drugs operations
Yet another confirmation that the DR only exists to be a nazi state for nazis to do nazi things. Fucking fake-ass bullshit nation propped up by imperialists and enslaver-aristocrats whose only meaningful output is hollow commodified imitations of Haitian culture and cheap sweatshop t-shirts with swastikas on them.

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>>2576747
tybna

>>2574175
It will take time to achieve armaments levels that makes NATO obsolete.

>>2574175
Also constitutions are not some kind of holy books but can be changed.

Meloni status?

>>2577172
who?

>>2574182
yup,you just need every single country in the union to sign for it,while half are Us puppet state (maybe ukraine next too !)

>>2575621
okay, so in this thread there are left-wing democrats and right-wing non-democratic people who both call themselves "communists", so its bewildering.

>>2575635
Even those authoritarian communists argue that its a necessary temporary phase to protect revolution from internal and external counter-revolutionaries. Anyone thinking that real communism is when there is a literal strong man dictatorship and youre a slave to state is mildly put ignorant about this topic.

>>2571366
>"Palestinians are reactionary" the only thing you're educating people about is that 'Marxism is for spiritually Israeli armchair pseuds'
Wrong. In scientific socialism, any violence by a subjugated population without even bourgeois rights under imperialist capitalism is acceptable in order to acquire economic sovereignty. You can see this with Marx accepting the separation of Ireland from England if the alternative is the continuation of the subjugation and exploitation of Irish workers, as long as it is not possible to organize English and Irish workers because of English chauvinism that deceives workers into not acquiring solidarity, then separation is an acceptable alternative so that in the future a socialist federation can be formed with more equal relations between Irish and English, but remembering that the ideal would be to organize English and Irish workers together for a socialist revolution acting together. This already helps to understand the position of defending the self-determination of nations that Lenin wrote.

Now let's start by explaining to you the question of what capitalist imperialism is with Lenin:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2571366
>I've never once heard a single Marxist podcast talk to their undocumented slaves who actually have the jobs that depicted in the symbol of communism. Marxists have spent more time talking to worthless labor aristocrats like Contrapoints. Its impossible to explain why!

Contrapoints is not a Marxist, therefore it's irrelevant to what I'm writing. Remembering that I am from the so-called global south and I have solidarity with all workers of the world, including those of the so-called "first world," so that the proletariat acquires political supremacy to abolish private property in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Since you are talking about the labor aristocracy, then I have a quote for you from the source with Lenin that demonstrates that you do not know that this labor aristocracy is a small minority group of workers that exists to sabotage the workers' movement and weaken it by serving the bourgeoisie, deceiving other workers, but the victory in the class struggle of the working class also benefits this labor aristocracy that is acting as class traitors, unlike the discourse of resentment against first-world workers that third-worldists have been talking about, equating the interests of first-world workers with capitalist imperialism to create passivity and resentment, thinking that scientific socialism is based on a moralism of feeling pity for third-world workers:

<In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 188Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Post-the holiday, so I can talk a bit.
>>2574095
>okay, so why should i talk to you if you dont believe in democracy (rule of the people) on a supposedly left-wing board? you dont appear to believe in anything anyway.
Left wing isn't synonymous with democracy. There have been plenty of political movements which style themselves as "democratic" which operate with strictly anti-leftist goals. Bordiga outlines my issues with democracy in a revolutionary context cleanly https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/democratic-principle.htm
>is it possible to raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000 an hour? if not, why not?
What relevance does this have? No, but the point is the struggle for higher wages so as to heighten and elucidate the contradiction and conflict between prole and capitalist.
>okay, so again, you are forcing the ultimatum that one must either unconditionally support mass immigration or they are hitler.
Where did I say "unconditional support for mass immigration" once? It seems like you can only strawman my position, either out of a lack of understanding, or purposeful misrepresentation. A person who "unconditionally supports mass immigration" is also not operating with a proper communist mindset, as they are completely missing their role we play and necessity of what must be done.
>does marx say that mass immigration lowers the economic and moral condition of the native working class? yes or no?
And I posted his later developments and clarifications. Would you deny this? I don't think you would apply his standard to any other economist or even philosopher.
>you should know since you said marx was wrong. more lowly deception.
Again, where is the deception. I've been awfully accommodating this entire time for what little you provide.
>because youre a coward who both feigns ignorance but also have an implicit dogma.
I posted responses and sources, I don't think I've been feinging anything, while that of your claims seems to be ctrl + f for whatever agrees with you, and a stubborn obsession iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2422283
the president/congress controls US foreign policy not the price of commodities on the world market 2/10 gothca

>>2334358
I'm too autistic to succumb to peer pressure.

If the masses don't want to reckon with their own stupidity, they will reckon with their own extinction.

Or do you think being a brainlet carries no consequence?

>>2576863
Not that guy, but obviously, the point he and I want to make is that we need to be pragmatic and adopt realistic approaches. As capitalism collapses we have to work within the new systems. The real end result will probably be some form of Caudillismo and strongman rule, and Socialists and Communists will need to learn to work within that

>>2576893
The unfortunate truth is that fascism is historically progressive compared to liberal democracy.

it's not over until it's over

the goalposts will just be moved from preventing large-scale mass extinction/ecocide (already happening/happened) to preventing the earth from hitting the sort of runaway warming w/ water vapor as a greenhouse gas that made venus the way it is.

>>2567053
if you believe this you should hire a legal guadian because you're too stupid to be trusted around stovetops and blenders

>>2567051
I'm already stockpiling precious metals!

>>2576807
Indonesia is like the fifth largest economy in the world

>>2575857
>I bet BRICS are negotiating the price of selling Venezuela right now lel
Didn't read. Need to tell you that you are retartid.

The Revolution Will Not Be Terrorized
The Caribbean Sea holds the memories of countless African and Indigenous lives brutally killed by imperial power. From the terrible Transatlantic Slave Trade to today’s US bombings of civilian vessels, executing dozens of Caribbean people. Though separated by centuries, the underlying motives remain the same: profit-driven colonial domination.

This year, Latin America and the Caribbean honor the memory of the victims of the “Zong Massacre” on its 244th anniversary and its lasting impact on the fight against colonialism.

In 1781, the British slave ship Zong left Accra in Ghana with 442 Africans on board, which was more than twice its capacity. The captives were destined for Jamaica, where they would be sold for an average price of £36 each to work on sugar plantations. However, the British enslavers ran low on supplies after navigating off course miles from the island and decided to mass murder captives to collect insurance money of £30 per person.

On November 29, 54 women and children were thrown into the Caribbean Sea. A further 78 men were tossed overboard in the following days, while 10 enslaved people jumped into the water in an act of revolutionary resistance. Another 62 Africans had already died on board from malnutrition and disease. The story is only known because of court documents, which were filed after the insurance company sued the ship’s crew to avoid paying.

The “Zong Massacre” reminds us of the horrors of colonialism and serves as a warning against today’s Western imperialist efforts to repeat history through different methods, exploiting the labour and resources of indigenous and black nations.

<The Caribbean massacre
Centuries ago, the bodies of thousands of Africans were either left to drown or to be eaten by sharks. The same is happening now, with more than 80 people having been killed since September, mostly in Caribbean waters just a few miles from the Venezuelan coast, but also in the Eastern Pacific, by US military forces. Their mangled bodies have been left to sink to the bottom of the sea or wash up on the shores of nearby countries such as Trinidad and Tobago, as happened soon after the US attacked the first vessel, killing 11.

Trinidadian villagers said that the two corpses that washed ashore had burned marks on their faces, making them unrecognizabPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2575857
You seriously believe feds? They got Viktor Bout and he was innocent.

Fuck feds. Mutts deserve drug deaths. Im burgerreich was truly based they would kill drug users Duterte style.

>>2576763
cheer up a bit

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>>2573637
They didn't accept american bases

>>2573637
We don't, it's a meme. Reactoids hate the french

>>2575950
Un vil tankie qui veut la bite de Poutine dans sa bouche.
Le communisme n'est possible qu'en défendant l'Ukraine et Taïwan de toutes nos forces contre les offensives réactionnaires impérialistes et bourgeoises.
Rejoignez le NPA.

>>2575950
putain le PTB est tellement basé

>>2576108
je crois pas que le npa est mauvais au point de demander la défense de taiwan si ? ils ont quand même pas voté pour les envoi d'armes à l'ukraine ?
en même temps qu'attendre de guignols qui se définissent en "anti" tellement ils ont accepté les prémisses de l'anti communisme

>>2576313
php boards, news groups, imageboards and by now archaic shit like that is social media in the original sense. people interacting, more or less organically, with one another based on a shared interest.

what is called social media nowadays is in fact anti social, individualist and egocentrical. participation is not born from a personal interest in a specific topic but from peer pressure and asinine incentivisation schemes in form of updoots/likes etc. pp. to maximize engagement and screen time.

>>2576402
old person is correct. It's social media, but in a different ballpark to commercial for-profit addiction machines. All we've got is the bump algorithm and (You)s.

>>2576230
Do you have much connection to IRL networks? Friends, sport you play, socialist orgs, that kind of stuff. Definitely helps to have something more important to fill those gaps than spectacle.

Want dramashit? Meet my local trot orgs, especially the ones on college campuses. Holy fuck they are a mess, including the One True Revolutionary Party getting student members to vote second preferences to the right-wing party just to their rival fellow trots couldn't get a seat, not to mention trying to stall pro-Palestine motions which passed unanimously when their stalling didn't work. Or that time they tried to change a protest route at the last minute, but forgot to tell the dozen new students they recruited on that open day, so their leadership got off the train a station early and left their targets to get poached by their rivals.
Hell, even the M-L orgs have their own weird drama, with the CP# splitting into the CP#-ML and the SP#, then CP# dying, and soon after the SP# changing their name to CP#, and the #CP being formed, before a branch split from them. vidrel

>>2576343
>If you bury yourself in books, or learning to code, or practicing an instrument then you're taking charge of your own headspace before the slop merchants can fill it for you.
This. Also getting into political theory (even breadslop), propaganda creation and coding got me out of habitual gaming. At least my hobbies are now somewhat productive while being fun and interesting.

>>2576230
I kinda want the opposite, I want to subsume myself to it.

If I can give one piece of advice, it's that while throwing yourself into learning to code, play an instrument, write a story, draw, or any other creative or skill-developing hobby (fish for all it matters!), is exceptionally worthwhile, you should categorically not get into political theory or history or similar dry academic topics. That's what I did, and I regard it as the only possible waste of time worse than using social media. At least on social media I'd have vague acquaintances and the ability to hold a facsimile of a conversation. Instead, all I have is petty resentments and an encyclopedic knowledge of dead movements, movements that were dead before they started, movements that are undead, dead economic theories, and an all-pervasive sense that everyone engaged in 'politics' outside real power is just LARPing and has nothing approaching a coherent plan for building or taking power.

It is a superficially smarter but actually much dumber way to waste your life. You are still just looking at words on a page - if you want to do that, literature is the way to go, not theory. At least it'll come in handy if you decide you want to write down the road.
This is not the good communist answer, the good communist cliche is to write paeans to theory that you don't actually read. Go on social media and do that if you must, but don't fall for the meme. You will not, in fact, read your way into actually existing socialism. You cannot get that time back, don't waste it like I did.

>>2576313
Yes but this is one of the few places for me personally that I dont want to get permabanned like I am on 4chan and reddit. Getting banned prevents me from consuming brainrot content as I get bored quickly and leave the site if I cant post.

>>2574229
yes

>>2573837
you're just agreeing with me now

>>2573771
What are you basing this on? That your personal business is making money?

>>2573771
>>2573716
<tech itself is slowing becoming a blue collar field.
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown in crisis not been absorbed by the bourgeois
no contradiction - plenty of "blue collar" petit bourgois like electrician plumber masters who own businesses.

OP is a probably an high end consultant or an small to mid size MSP/it shop. No surprise its booming now.

Anyway tech is a growth field but eventually the cloud will eat everything anyway and bezos/gates/etc. will own 90% of the worlds IT infra

>>2573771
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown
Where is the proofs? Can you share any actual data on that claim? How is petite bourgeoise growth ratio compared to monopoly capital growth?

wtf is this shit thread.
>helo guis explain my anecdote with marxism

Christianity for most people is based aesthetics and not actually following the doctrine, cause if that was true they would all become vagabonds. Also no right winger believes Trump is a Christian they just like his policies.