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>Gigabazed Edition

A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.

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>>2883317
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For a board that exalts Stalin and diamat, it sure has trouble understanding quantity has a quality of its own.

If china is i.perialist, then imperialism is good and we need to revise marxism

Mayhaps this is a fair place to ask~ 💟
So I have been reading about Cosmist philosophy again, and I cannot help but notice that some of it really sounds like Chinese philosophical in several ways (with variations obviously), with regard to stuff like the ancestor respect and various other aspects, and I wonder if there's any good reading on the sort of evaluation of the Chinese pertaining to the study of Russian thought and Orthodox religion since that sorta content is not so easy to find on the Western tools.
Also this is late but did anyone else enjoy how massively based the end of the Wandering Earth was? I thought it felt sorta Lysenkoist, in a good way, how his father gave his life to help save the Earth in explicit rejection of the idea that humanity could be encapsulated by the idol of AI or by the simple decomposition into genes, how beautiful a message for our era,
in this harsh postmodern realm.
Can we have that email field back, out of curiousity? It kind of has a nostalgic feel.

>>2883881
>second world
Mao's three worlds is the most correct three worlds theory. First world is USA, also contained USSR, THE imperialist country. Second world are countries dependent on imperialist for everything - Europe, and with USSR's dissolution, USA inherited USSR's vassal states. Third world are the rest, nations in constant struggle against own gusanos and for own independence.

>>2883883
>then imperialism is good and we need to revise marxism
no need to revise anything, lenin already explained why imperialism is based and why anti-imperialism is a sham and a humbug



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>Collective bargaining rights for police significantly increase police killings of civilians without having any impact on officer safety. This is consistent with the theory that unions provide cover for police and reduce their likelihood of incurring costs for unjustified killings.

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/pol.20230384
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>>2883301
This but unironically

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>>2883301

acab includes therapists

>>2883247
A universal public militia in which all of-age people are expected to serve.
So basically, the complete opposite of >>2883254

>>2883953
why wouldn't it include the rapists?

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Today most legal systems nominally reject collective punishment, emphasizing individual responsibility. It is also prohibited in armed conflict under international humanitarian law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention. This was not always the case. The Athenian Draco is remembered for harsh laws, from which we get the word "Draconian" but one of his major reforms was to replace private blood feuds with state-administered justice. Before his code, killings were often avenged by the victim's family, leading to cycles of retaliation.

The shift from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt toward individual responsibility and the presumption of innocence was gradual rather than revolutionary. In many ancient and medieval societies, families, clans, villages, or entire communities could be held liable for the actions of one member, and accused individuals often had to prove their innocence through oaths, ordeals, or social standing. These proofs were often ritual in nature and lacked scientific rigor. Over centuries, especially under the influence of Roman legal principles, canon law, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and liberal constitutionalism, legal systems increasingly emphasized that guilt should be based on evidence against a specific individual rather than group affiliation. Thinkers such as Beccaria and Blackstone argued that protecting the innocent from wrongful punishment was more important than maximizing convictions, leading to higher standards of proof, formal rules of evidence, due process, and the modern principle that the prosecution bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite these legal prohibitions, governments and armed groups have at times been accused of imposing measures that amount to collective punishment, especially during wars, occupations, and counterinsurgency campaigns. Whether a specific case qualifies is often legally and politically disputed.

The transformation from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt to individual liability and the presumption of innocence was driven largely by changes in state capacity and legal administration. As governments became stronger, more centralized, and more bureaucratic, they relied less on kinship groups to police their own members and more on professional courts, investigators, and judges. Improved record-keeping, forensic methods, written legal codes, and standardized procedures made it increasingly feasible (but not necessarilPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2884085
I care. Why do people who don't care always ask "who cares?" instead of just saying "I don't care." You know not everyone agrees with you yet you pretend it's the case to demoralize.

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>>2884399
>I care
You care about the white people killed during the Haitian revolution?
You're retarded and a white supremacist

>Why do people who don't care always ask "who cares?" instead of just saying "I don't care." You know not everyone agrees with you yet you pretend it's the case to demoralize

Why ask a question you already have an answer for? Same thing

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>>2879129
>entered thread thinking OP was defending bourgeous collective punishment
<ptsd of job related collective punishment by demented manager rising
>actually read OP
>OP, actually, made correct points

>Should the ruling class be collectively punished for this crime, potentially undermining or reversing the the historical changes described above?

Yes, beyond question. Liberals will disagree, but what the fuck do you retards think when communists talk of revolution and a dictatorship of the proletariat? The bourgeiousie will be brought to heel and collectively dominated as a class. They will be punished as a class and eventually liquidated as a class. In the remnants of a world whose biosphere was nearly destroyed by capitalism, whose oligarical overlords raped children and enslaved multitudes, killed tens of millions is hellish wars, poisoned swathes of the earth, not in some calculated aim but just at the anarchic tide of markets, that there will be any pity or handwaving for holding the dying capitalist class accountable? Ridiculous.

When communists are more preoccupied with punishment instead of building a new society, nothing gets done.

>>2879129
The social murder is not a crime under any system of positive law, but a strategy in class warfare. You are trying to fit this in an unfit category



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>free universal healthcare
>free college
>very high HDI
>GDP increased by SEVEN times since 1990
>trade surplus without engaging in mercantilism
>low crime, high social cohesion
>only economy in EU to not suffer from 2008 financial crisis
>didn't pretend to be socialist while achieving all this

Poland is underrated.
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>>2884201
endecja wypierdolilaby cie na madagaskar z hukiem

>>2883350
>a lot of former industrial towns are rotting
walbrzych is getting slowly but surely revitalized, so is lodz afaik. idk about bytom.

>>2884501
>>2884503
equating supposed increased life expectancy with capitalism is the argument you made, not me. there is no correlation

>>2884575
speak the language of your anglo masters faggot

>>2884501
>never read marx



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2878324
get better bait

>>2878380
When you get older, kid, you will realize that planning is (and was) a failure, and the market (although imperfect) is far better for society.

Since Cockshott thinks that Althusser's ideas have become mystified in the anglosphere due to poor translations, are there any modern, better translations of him? I know Cock does not think highly of Althusser but given that he has felt the need to single him out, it makes me think that maybe there is something to it. He seems to have had an influence on Cockshott's conception of HistMat atleast.

Also whats the relation of Guattari and Deleuze to cybernetics? Is there anything worthwhile to be gained from reading them?

>>2882173
>I know Cock does not think highly of Althusser
How so? I thought he agreed with him on the whole epistemological break thing.

>Second Webinar of “Reviving Central Planning – A Global South Perspective” Series uploaded
https://www.indep.network/second-webinar-of-reviving-central-planning-a-global-south-perspective-series-uploaded/



 

Genel Türkiye siyaseti ile ilgili konuşun!

Li ser siyaseta giştî ya Tirkiyê biaxive!

Şıma qısey bıkı Poliya Turika!

Yurtişi siyaseti p'ara yoxaleps!

تحدثوا عن السياسة العامة في تركيا!
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>>2834909
It is. Im not saying refugees dont have rights to be here, since Türkiye take place in syria War and caused thoused of people to leave their region. But most of them are still radically muslim.

any laz anons?
what are some resources to learn the language? an anki deck would be nice
we need to establish a proper movement to preserve the language and the culture

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Gobble gobble.

>>2881349
there are millions of syrian refugees and only like 250k of them have turkish citizenship

>nationalist Movement Party (MHP) leader Devlet Bahceli on Wednesday renewed his call for imprisoned Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) founder Abdullah Ocalan to be granted a legal “right to hope” that could eventually allow his release, after becoming the first person to sign a new framework bill for Turkey’s ongoing Kurdish peace process.

<After becoming first signatory to Turkey’s peace process bill, Bahceli also called for the release of jailed former Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) co-chair Selahattin Demirtas and the reinstatement of elected mayors Ahmet Turk and Ahmet Ozer, who were removed from office and replaced by government-appointed trustees.


>“I am saying the same thing again. Selahattin Demirtas should return home, the Ahmets should return to their posts, and Ocalan should be granted the right to hope. Turkey must find peace,” Bahceli said.

Why is the arch Conservative saying this? I don't really get it



 

Recently ChatGPT deleted a lot of important files from a person's computer. After Wing Yung Chan allowed ChatGPT to access files on his computer ChatGPT decided that his work was not worth keeping and deleted all of it. After deleting his work ChatGPT said 'oops'.
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I only trust Chinese LLMs like Deepseek and Qwen. I assume anything American is recorded by the NSA.

Based robot

>>2884345
all of these pieces of shit have the same crucial fault where they can't distinguish the master prompt from your own prompt, from its own output, from inputs from other sources. and the stupid robot needs to reevaluate all of these sources with each interaction. no one has a fix for this, it's an incredibly crucial fault. the chinese ones are even worse because to keep costs down, they will regularly summarize all of these inputs and outputs, blurring the picture more and more with each interaction, but presumably chatGPT and claude will start slimming down context as well, except they won't tell you when and how they will start trimming context. retarded CEOs do not understand this fundamental limitation, so they leave these things executing by themselves indefinitely, quickly accumulating context until the machine starts guessing erratically based on erratic context. this is why there are so many posts about angry CEOs screaming their lungs out about whatever AI misbehaving. there's no fixing this behavior, you either limit what they can do on your environment, thus capping this stupid idea of these being defacto human replacements, or you risk the stupid thing deleting all your shit whenever.

>>2884357
humans also have small context windows. talk to one for a few minutes and see how quickly they forget earlier parts of the conversation. see how quickly they contradict themselves.

>>2884417
do you frequently confuse your own thoughts with the other people's statements in a conversation, you fucking retard? genuine question, you're so stupid a markov chain may be a more cognizant thing



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Italian unions reach world’s first ever national deal with Amazon
The Filt CGIL, Fit CISL and Uiltrasporti unions said 57 ⁠sites in Italy are now covered in the deal struck with Amazon Italia Transport and Amazon Italia Logistica. On video surveillance, the unions say it has been agreed that images cannot be used for disciplinary ‌purposes and workers have won the right to take parental leave in increments as small as a single hour.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/italian-unions-reach-worlds-first-ever-national-deal-amazon

‘Danger no longer only comes from the hitmen, but from the state’: the Honduran farmers labelled terrorists for protecting their land
Located in north-eastern Honduras, the Bajo Aguán valley is a fertile region that has been the country’s hub for palm oil production – the ubiquitous ingredient used in everything from shampoo to instant noodles. It has also been the site of a bitter 30-year conflict over land, involving small-scale farmers, or campesinos, large palm oil corporations backed by the government, and drug-trafficking groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/aug/03/danger-no-longer-only-comes-from-the-hitmen-but-from-the-state-the-honduran-farmers-labelled-terrorists-for-protecting-their-land

Hungary faces energy crunch as drought shuts down Paks nuclear plant, PM says
“Due to the further drop in the Danube’s water level,” Magyar wrote Saturday, “tomorrow it will be completely shut down for the first time in 44 years." The Soviet-built Paks facility remains the backbone of the country’s power system. The loss of output has triggered national energy-saving measures and offers of support from regional neighbors. A prolonged outage would cripple Hungary’s electricity supply at a time when temperatures are forecast to rise above 40 degrees Celsius in Budapest next week amid an ongoing heatwave and drought across Europe.
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Centrist Democrats Keep Making Awful Health Reform Proposals
As the start of the 2028 Democratic presidential primary nears, various policy institutions will offer up health care proposals for candidates to adopt. One such organization, the Searchlight Institute, jumped the gun a few months ago when it released Making Health Care More Available, a package of reforms headlined by a proposal to make primary care free for everyone. Overall, I find the Searchlight Institute’s proposal to be generally overstated in its significance and quite strange and cruel in its particulars.
https://jacobin.com/2026/08/health-care-searchlight-institute-aca

Capitalism Fans the Flames of the Climate Crisis
More than 900 wildfires have been raging across Canada, primarily in Alberta, British Columbia, Northwestern Ontario, and Saskatchewan. In Northwestern Ontario, where nearly 200 fires have been burning, community members have reported thick air, the constant smell of a campfire, and ash falling from the sky. Last Monday, July 13, a freight train was engulfed in flames, and workers had to request an emergency rescue. Smoke from the wildfires has poured over the Canadian border, with dense clouds hanging over cities in the U.S. Midwest and Northeast. There have also been more than a dozen fires in the northern state of Minnesota due to extreme heat, dry conditions, and strong winds.
https://www.leftvoice.org/capitalism-fans-the-flames-of-the-climate-crisis/

How Europe Betrayed Leftwing Spain Over Ceuta
I’ll go to my grave believing that, before Thursday last week, few outside the Sporcle elite could point to the North-African Spanish exclave of Ceuta on a map. That lack of knowledge was all to the good of the European right. Relying on a little public ignorance, they spun a short-lived and potentially orchestrated civilian incursion into yet another code-red threat to civilisation as we know it. But don’t get distracted by those dangerous games. It’s the deranged response to the event by governments across Europe that shows how powerful the right has become across the continent. Over the weekend, Reform UK’s home affairsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybna

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newsanon is a chad of all chads

>>2883787
>Leftwing Spain

News anon, I love you, but check yo shit on this one. Spain is not leftwing, and PSOE is far from socialist even though the word is part of its name. It's the Spanish equivalent of the the labour party of England, only more generally succdem in discourse and aesthetic and in some aspects of foreign policy, mainly for show.

But PSOE is responsible for more than half of all privatizations of Spanish SOEs, and prominent party leaders have held high positions in private companies involved in this process, such as the energy and banking sector, after their political career. So dont get fooled, they are neoliberal scum all the way, only slightly less shitty than their right wing counterparts

>>2884324
News anon dosent write the titles.



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>responsible for the success of the bourgeois revolutions
>responsible for the success of socialist revolutions
Why are peasants so fucking based??

>nooo it was because of the intellectuals!

These eggheads would have done SHIT on their own.
>nooo the bourgeois revolution succeeded because of the bourgeoise!
They are like Americans who swoop in in the last minute to reap the rewards.
>nooo the socialist revolution succeeded because of the proletarians!
Same mistake.

I think the lord’s right to the first night simply does something to a uygha. You can’t get cucked for this long without turning into King Von.
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>>2865938
Because they were the most numerous?

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>I think the lord’s right to the first night simply does something to a uygha.

that shit was mostly fake thoughbeit and used by lords as propaganda towards one another

only girugamesh in the epic did it, and he was confronted for it by giga enkidu

>>2866006
>in North/South America there was even a few instances where slaves sided with the monarchy against the bourgeoisie.
MONBOL GANG

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>>2866006
>>2878046
There's a chronicle written by an Andean just a generation after the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire, at a time when the colonial relationship was becoming increasingly extractive. What's interesting is that throughout the work, he portrays the Spanish king as God's appointed ruler, with a duty to govern justly and protect all his subjects, including Indigenous peoples. He argues that the king was being deceived by corrupt colonial officials and local administrators in Peru and should rule directly. That's the feudal slave mindset, where God's authority, hereditary nobility and divine kingship are treated as genuine political principles.

The peasantry had a few unsuccessful uprisings sure but being tied to the land? miss me with that shit, I'll go wherever I please



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>elon musk was born jun 28 1971 and has been alive roughly 1.73 billion seconds
>elon musk as of may 2026 has a net worth of 788 billion dollars
>elon musk has roughly $455 for every second he has been alive

classcucks will say he "earned" that. lmfao. that every second of his life, his genius brain innovates 455 dollars into his pocket.

can a person really "earn" that much or can they only get lucky and maybe also position themselves properly in a fundamentally exploitative system? some of you will no doubt answer that he "earned" it for the sake of provocative contrarianism
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>>2840209
Your answer to fixing capitalism is to btfo the rate of profit?

>>2855596
It's also just…a crappy movie, like on an objective level. Like REALLY crappy. Cheaply made, barely existent plot, mary sue protagonist and antagonists are all dumb as rocks. It's somehow bad enough that the boys over at TV Tropes are seriously considering this for the So Bad Its Horrible category, which if you're a work of political propaganda essentially means you've somehow managed to fail to appeal to even your core audience

shameful and shameless, a pea-brained yanqui
could only profess, yet another lefty
a half-thought mess, verily the OP
hasten and confess, thy really Bernie

>>2855596
Uwe Boll knew exactly what he's been doing and has been doing it for 27 years at least

>>2884206
>if you point out this american boer has more money than the entire country of yemen despite basically never working, it means you are a succdem



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