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Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2547146
>>2547140
>he doesn't know about the indigenous tribes displaced by Mormon colonization
>he doesn't know that Brigham Young instituted the enslavement of Native Americans in Utah in 1852
>perhaps he knows about the reform the Church underwent in 1978.
>he doesn't know about the Mormon tour guides in Central America who falsify the history of colonized peoples.

>>2432932
The Utah question can be easily solved through gerrymandering and land back. Carve the state up with large swaths going to indigenous peoples with the rest being divided between Colorado and Nevada. Problem solved.

>>2547744
On the contrary, Utah is a perfect example of why the US needs to be split into 50 unique countries, maybe with a few borders redrawn here and there.

>>2559870
>US needs to be split into 50 unique countries
What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?

>>2559870
The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.



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The surveillance and general crackdown on muslims during the GWOT was fucking crazy. Look at some of these FBI guidelines for profiling "extremists" and justifying repression:

>Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection

Can't grow a suspicious beard or name your kid mohamed
>Wearing (or compelling others to wear) burqas with face coverings
Can't wear religious clothing
>Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.
Gotta listen to NPR I guess
>Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremist content
Ridiculously vague
>Other speech and acts of extremism
Basically a justification to spy and harass anyone for any reason
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>>2556272
> Frankly I'm surprised he even managed to get insurance that covered terrorist attacks, that's like getting flood insurance in Florida
you're surprised a billionaire was exempt from the usual limitations?


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All of those are rational and if you understood Islamic history you'd know that extreme Salafist/Wahhabist really only came out as a result of the British toppling the Ottoman empire by purposely aiding the most reactionary sects. That's always been the standard, disruptive foreign policy to enable the most reactionary sects to overthrow the more secular States. It happened in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya…

>Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection

It's not that naming your kid Muhammad is illegal. It's that if you're born Kyle Brown and one day you suddenly grow a 5-foot beard and name yourself Ahmad Al-Bashur Muhammad, you put on a bright red flag.

>Wearing (or compelling others to wear) burqas with face coverings

First off, no they're not "religious clothing" like a Mormon's underwear. They're specific, cultural clothing from Arabia, that these radical sects started mandating as mandatory for all Muslims. Furthermore, it's not a "woman's choice" when they are forced into making that choice out of pain of social abandonment, torture, or death as is the case in the rural areas of particularly backwards regions. Burkas only became mandated in regions in the last 100 years. You don't care about women's rights if you defend Burqa because it is an emblem of patriarchal control and that's clear to anyone who isn't a bleeding heart, liberal guilt moron.

>Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.

I can't find this one anywhere because it needs to be elaborated on. I'll speak on what I think it means from your abstract.

This doesn't happen but it's theoretically about if Muslims started taking to the street demanding women to go home at a parade or whatever. People are free to be Muslim, but you can't impose that on people, and I would want the same thing done to Christians or Hindus.

>Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremist content

No, anon. They cannot publish ISIS recruitment videos. This is idiotic to be angry about.
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>>2559867
Forgot the other picture. But seriously, stop reducing all Islamic culture down to whatever liberal, revisionist ideal you have in your head. Regardless of the crimes the USA has committed – which mostly involves toppling secularizing leaders like what they did in Iraq – it doesn't mean that Jihadi John is misunderstood. There's been attempts within Muslim society to adopt some social democratic ideals, which involves some secularization and it should be defended against Wahhabi style oppression. Blindly defending that religious reaction means you don't actually care about the people and just have some terminal "anti-America" view even if it means ISIS executing people for singing.

>>2559867
Lol it literally is China's guidelines, the thread is a jebaiting. Though we know the US had some similarly harsh surveillance on Muslims especially in the years after 9/11



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Post the videos fagget. Also nice job creating double theda

>>2559803
What are you talking about?



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THE IDEAL WINNING 2028 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM

As a supporter of the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, I obviously realize that the Democrats are a Controlled Opposition Party who exist to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of Naw Afrika, Aztlan, the First Nations, inside the U$ corralled and controlled, while the dominant ruling Crypto-Fascist Christian Zionist Nationalist MAGAtard Republicans transform the U$ into a Full-Blown Fascist Police State, which combined with the fact that the U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2493380
I don't really understand the meaning of the King Lear username in this satire. In the Shakespeare play, "King Lear divides his kingdom among the two daughters who flatter him and banishes the third one who loves him. His eldest daughters both then reject him at their homes, so Lear goes mad and wanders through a storm." What's the connection, is it just that both characters are crazy?

>>2546908
The Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist analysis that provides the foundation for my Social Democratic, Social Progressive, and Non-Interventionist “Ideal Winning 2028 Democratic Platform” is not satirical, it is a 100% serious elucidation of my sincerely held beliefs, and my username “King Lear” is both a homage to the fact that I believe Shakespeare‘s King Lear is the greatest work of literature ever written and a symbolic reference to the fact that King Lear was the first literary work with an explicitly Atheist theme, with Marx saying that “the criticism of Religion is the foundation of all criticism”, thus you could say that King Lear’s subtle attack on Religion in its Crypto-Atheistic theme of Nihilism and Hopelessness in a chaotic Godless world, was a very early vague and tenuous prerequisite for the Atheistic Dialectical Materialist philosophy of Marxism, which is why I feel that King Lear was the greatest work of Literature ever written, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2546933
I was going to call satire until you actually explained the King Lear thing in a way that makes too much sense to be a joke

>>2525627
>“Tor” is a CIA/NSA/FBI Honeypot created by U$ Naval Intelligence, so I don’t think I need to say anymore about the merits of viewing “Tor” as some kind of “Anonymous” Internet, when in reality their are ZERO websites on the Internet that are not fully accessible to Glowies because the entire Internet itself emerged out of the U$ Military ARPANET project
LOW-ORBIT TRUTH RAY

Bump, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547121
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, anyone who reads King Lear against the grain realizes that it has a much deeper meaning than just being a parable about a crazy old King attempting to divide his Kingdom between his three daughters, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547122
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, it is really quite absurd that the whole ARPENET thing has not clued in more people about who really controls the entire Internet, and it is even more asinine that these same people who have not figured out who runs the Internet, believe that the Naval Intelligence Honeytrap for dummies known as “Tor”, is “Anonymous” in any way, shape, or form, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!



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have you ever come to the realization of the universal truth of dialectics for the first time? sounds a little retarded and maybe it is but i got really high and finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant, how so many of my recurring thoughts on emergent properties were actually just separate cases of the one most fundamental belief to materialism. and how many of my issues with society were born from the most elementary politic which comes from the most essential divide – the belief in a static world of essence, and the belief in an ever-changing world of emergent properties. analytic philosophy has destroyed the world
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>>2555863
yeah its pretty based

>>2555881
underrated truth nuke

>>2557255
You talk like a certain weird Maoist who hangs around on chapo.chat and TrueAnon…

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>>2555863
a large population that leninizes its state and applies dialectical materialism is extremely overpowered. USSR did not stick to dialectical materialism unfortunately, it needed more contradictions..

>have you ever come to the realization of the universal truth

nope, never even came close and neither did you



 

LDP Election just finished up.
Abe used to dance around questions about whether or not Japan was the aggressor in WWII, saying things like, 'oh the historians are still debating that, we should hear out both sides of the debate,' while Takaichi openly says that it was a "war for security" and justified under self-defense.
She's also in love with the idea of war with China of course. There was one anon here who was adamant that Ishiba would be pushing for a Japan able to detach from its absolute dependence on the US and work more with China, but like the typical centrist he is, he just resigned to give way to this freak lmfao.
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>>2508056
They don't want the PRC to control the maritime routes that go through Taiwan's waters

https://www.jcp.or.jp/akahata/aik25/2025-10-27/2025102701_01_0.html
Takaichi wants the US to place nuclear warheads on the Japanese islands.
>Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi revealed in her edited book “Study on National Power” (published by Sankei Shimbun Publishing) released last September that she had requested the deletion of Japan’s national policy, the Three Non-Nuclear Principles, from the country’s Three Security Documents, calling them “an obstacle.”
>According to the book, before the Three Security Documents—which serve as Japan’s “guidelines for a war-capable state”—were approved by Cabinet in December 2022, Takaichi considered the phrase in one of them, the National Security Strategy, that stated Japan would “uphold the Three Non-Nuclear Principles,” to be contradictory to another passage declaring that “the Japan–U.S. alliance, including the provision of extended deterrence (the nuclear umbrella), will continue to be the cornerstone of Japan’s security policy.”
>Even if Japan continues to uphold the principles of “not possessing” and “not producing” nuclear weapons, Takaichi wrote that, regarding the third principle—“not permitting the introduction (of nuclear weapons)”—she feared it could “become an obstacle in a situation where the ultimate choice would be between protecting the lives of citizens or maintaining the Three Non-Nuclear Principles,” and thus requested its deletion.

>>2539644
Casus belli for China? “Japan has WMDs”

>a Taiwan emergency is a Japanese emergency
Takaichi is begging for her own country to be turned into Ukraine. Why willingly militarily intervene against China? Actually, what do you expect to happen? Even if all of the Chinese generals were crayon-munchers and all of the Japanese generals were super-geniuses, China would still annihilate Japan. She really wants her country to be decimated.

>>2559785
She should go to Ukraine to see the effects of 300 geran drones every night. Then multiply that by 10 and imagine them flying to the much-denser Japan. Nah she doesn't care though she's probably a puppet with her kids in America like Lai



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“All practical work in connection with the organization of the uprising was carried out under the direct leadership of Comrade Trotsky, Chairman of the Petrograd Soviet. It can be said with certainty that the party owes the rapid transition of the garrison to the side of the Soviet and the bold execution of the uprising above all and mainly to Comrade Trotsky.”
- J.V. Stalin, Pravda, November 6, 1918
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>>2555732
That webm is cool and everything but in reality Trotsky was against invading Poland

>>2556772
yep. ideology always gets trumped by reality when you're forced to actually wield power and govern

>>2556772
>The ideas of free speech, free press, freedom of criticism also clashed with the brutal reality of the Russian civil war and the massive counterrevolution that was mounting by the White army, the allied intervention, the central powers and the nationalists
retarded, many countries have faced revolutions/civil wars and haven't resorted to brutal, corrupt oppression

>>2558943
You can't possibly compare the civil war in Russia to any other civil conflict

>>2558793
This is true just not to the level the bolsheviks did it, the anarchists in Ukraine proved to be an effective fighting force without resorting complete take over of the party
>>2559628
yes every civil war is unique but that doesn't mean you cant compare it other civil conflicts



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Facial recognition vans rolled out to seven more police forces
Home Office funding has been provided for the rollout of a new fleet of facial recognition vans across police forces in Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire, Bedfordshire, Surrey, Sussex, Thames Valley and Hampshire. The technology, already in use across Metropolitan, South Wales, and Essex forces, allows officers to record the surrounding area using cameras mounted on top of their vans.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/facial-recognition-vans-rolled-out-seven-more-police-forces

Germany to introduce voluntary military service
Although the German armed forces, the Bundeswehr, needs tens of thousands more soldiers, there will be no return to compulsory military service, according to the governing parties. "The new military service is initially based on voluntary service," is the key sentence of the draft bill, which will go before the German parliament in December. In future, however, there will be mandatory physical assessments for all 18-year-old men.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-introduce-voluntary-military-service/a-74733722
https://archive.ph/slYLI

Mexico to intercept suspected drug boats to prevent further US strikes
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum announced Thursday that an agreement has been reached with the United States regarding the alleged drug-running boats that the Donald Trump administration has been targeting since last September. Under the new arrangement, Mexico’s Navy will be responsible for intercepting these vessels in international waters near the country’s coasts in order to prevent further bombings, according to the joint operational protocols agreed upon by both governments. The goal, Sheinbaum explained, is to avoid more attacks like the one that occurred two weeks ago, 400 nautical miles off Acapulco, when Mexico attempted — so far without success — to rescue the sole survivor.
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US designates four European anti-fascist groups as terrorist threats
In a public statement on Thursday, the state department said it would designate Antifa Ost in Germany, the Italy-based International Revolutionary Front, and two organisations in Greece – Armed Proletarian Justice and Revolutionary Class Self Defense – as “Specially Designated Global Terrorists … conspiring to undermine the foundations of Western Civilization through their brutal attacks”. … “Groups affiliated with this movement ascribe to revolutionary anarchist or Marxist ideologies, including anti-Americanism, ‘anti-capitalism’ and anti-Christianity, using these to incite and justify violent assaults domestically and overseas,” the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, said in a statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/13/us-antifa-terrorist-designation

Rubio instructs US diplomats to consider obesity as a cause for rejecting visas
Rubio’s guidance is a relatively strict interpretation of the federal government’s “public charge” rule. That rule bars prospective immigrants from entering the country if they are deemed likely to later require public assistance, such as Supplemental Security Income and funding from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. “Self-sufficiency has been a longstanding principle of U.S. immigration policy, and the public charge ground of inadmissibility has been a part of our immigration law for more than 100 years,” the Nov. 6 cable states.
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/13/state-department-visas-diabetes-obesity

Health care tax credits are set to expire, raising costs for millions
That means low- and middle-income households that previously qualified for the tax credits would likely see their ACA premiums more than double next year, rising from an average of $888 in 2025 to $1,904 in 2026, according to a KFF analysis.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-affordable-care-act-premium-tax-credits-what-next/
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The Problem With James Talarico’s Gambling Ties
There is one issue where Talarico’s positions are discordant with many other Christians, progressive or conservative. As Politico reported back in August, Talarico has received tens of thousands of dollars from a political action committee (PAC) backed by GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson. Although Adelson is perhaps best known for her Israel advocacy, her and her late husband’s wealth is tied up in casinos. And it was the Texas Sands PAC, which is working hard to expand legal gambling in Texas, that gave Talarico $59,000 from February through December of 2024. That made the PAC Talarico’s largest financial supporter during his time in the legislature last year. The likely reason why they are backing him is that Talarico is an ardent supporter of legalizing casino gambling in Texas. He voted in favor of a bill that would’ve put the question to Texas voters through a constitutional amendment. While Talarico has been a rising star in progressive circles, his support for expanding legal gambling has alarmed advocates who see it as irreconcilable with his stated values. “The one word that comes to mind to describe his position would be hypocrisy,” said Les Bernal, the executive director of Stop Predatory Gambling, a national group that advocates against legal gambling. “If he [is] studying the Gospel, he must have missed the reading where Jesus says ‘Love others like I love you.’ Because casino gambling especially is a prime example of loving yourself more than your neighbor because it’s a business based on greed, manipulation, and exploitation.”
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/talarico-christian-progressive-gambling-donor

The Inside Story of How the Green Party Turned Red
When I joined the Scottish Green party in 2001, the Greens had around 6,000 members across their three UK parties (in Scotland, England and Wales, and Northern Ireland). Recently, roughly the same number joined in one day. In England and Wales alone, The Green party has overtaken the Tories with a record 150,000 members – two and a half times the number it had when Zack Polanski announced he was running for leader in May. Much credit for this membership explosion goes to Polanski, with his easy charisma, willingness to embrace controversy and clear, leftwingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thanks News Anon



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Is that true that Venezuela was way more free and richer before Hugo Chavez?
Many people i talked with said it was.
I'm not into history so much,so i wanted to ask you about this.
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>>2559034
You are telling socdems that their dream of moral capitalism is impossible?

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>>2559034
>Being incapable of responding to sabotage would still be a black mark against a socialist government
I wish you well. May you never have your entire life sabotaged in secret by a person with way more power than you and then blamed for your inability to defend yourself as your life collapses all around you.

South American countries go back and forth between authoritarianism and democracy every other week.

>>2559642
Maybe those are two largely meaningless labels

>>2559034
why is cuba still experiencing fuel shortages? the wiki page isn't very clear on the latest ones



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2537847
He doesn't speak like a french person would, clearly an american using google translate

I was listening to this song again and I realized all those people talking were traitors, being thirteen years old is the only excuse, moral of the story jump at the people trying to put rifle bullets in you.

Je pense sincèrement que la France sera le premier pays où le néolibéralisme s'effondrera. Réfléchissez : il y a trois factions au sein du gouvernement français : les néolibéraux traditionnels (Macron), les fascistes (Le Pen) et la gauche. Le gouvernement français doit encore se préoccuper de sa dette car il utilise l'euro et ne possède pas de monnaie nationale. Cette dette pourrait entraîner un défaut de paiement et l'effondrement du pays. Les néolibéraux n'auront d'autre choix que de laisser le pouvoir aux fascistes ou à la gauche. Le reste de l'UE ne laissera pas les fascistes prendre le pouvoir. Les opérations militaires en Afrique pèsent trop lourd sur les finances publiques. À terme, le gouvernement devra réduire drastiquement tous les programmes sociaux. Lorsque cela arrivera, le peuple se révoltera. Les Français ne sont pas comme les Burgers : ils se battront même pour une petite partie de leurs pensions de retraite. L'effondrement du gouvernement français rappellera celui du Pacte de Varsovie.

>>2559634
>Le reste de l'UE ne laissera pas les fascistes prendre le pouvoir
HAHAHAHAHAHA
hilarant, tu fais du stand up?

>>2559619
>crying about a drunk soldier killing your father, healing people indiscriminately, or boasting about killing soldiers crushing your revolution is being a traitor
hope the future communards will put you against the wall too



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