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🇨🇳🇺🇲🇪🇺 A thread for all-things multipolaroidistical 🇷🇺🇮🇳🇮🇷
Pioneer's edition
In spite of the seething of many supposedly 'leftist comrades', America's unipolar dominance is weakening every day and we move ever closer into a multipolar world. It is clear to any good faith communist that a multipolar world just means that: transitioning from American unipolarity to multipolarity, and that does not automatically mean the expansion and consolidation of socialism. The latter gains more opportunities in this new state of affairs, but nothing is given on a silver platter - communists still have to seize the day. If we make the mistake of thinking multipolarity is socialism, we might as well end up with a multiple poles of fascism and reaction. This is understood by communists, real ones, not agents of NATO clad in 'red aesthetics'. The latter strawman the 'multipolarity=communism' nonsense precisely to then dismantle it and thus ridicule and 'defeat' multipolaristas, doing the work of the NATO Moloch.
'''Multipolaristas, let this thread be a place where all developments concerning the advent of multipolarity is posted and compiled.

https://emmanueltodd.substack.com/p/diverging-populisms :: Diverging populisms, Emmanuel Todd

https://youtu.be/UMgkvvu_pnU :: West's Failure to Adjust to a Multipolar World, John Mearsheimer

https://youtu.be/US7oycLV5ZE :: Avec le PRCF, Rencontre Internationale, faire front anti impérialiste pour la paix et la liberté, Pôle de Renaissance Communiste en France
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>>2614063
We're just… on the tip of it happening…

>>2613669
because drugs is predicated on the abolition of capitalism, u should know this and blame pharma not countries trying to get out from under the boot of international patent cartels

If I was a multilibtard I'd have killed myself from the constant cucking

>>2614671
Business is business, whatchu gonn' do…

>>2614671
>when you loose your ally you have to be a salty spiteful looser and never touch the hand of the winner that replaced it



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Having declared independance in 1991, Somaliland had long saught international recognition, but despite it's relatively stable governance, this never worked, sure they managed to get a few deals with other countries, Notably Taiwan and Ethiopia, it had never managed to get formal recognition.
Until Now, as Israel becomes the first country to officially recognize Somaliland.
Somaliland has an extremly strategic position as the entry of the Black Sea, Israel would probably desire an ally in the region in order to counter the Houthis, especially now that the officially Yemeni government has all but collapsed.
But Israel has also mentionned Somaliland as a place to deport the Palestinians.
This recognition is also part of a series of diplomatic victories for Somaliland, Ethiopia, Taiwan and the USA are also considering recognition.
It can be wondered if Israel has lifted the taboo over recognising Somaliland and if other countries will follow it in its recognition.
As for Somalia, it will contest it diplomatically, but it can hardly do anything, as it's embroiled in a civil war.
But not all is rosy for Somaliland, as it doesn't control all the territory it claims, as the de facto independant state of Puntland managed to take over border territories in Khamuto State. Tensions in the region are also rising between Eritrea and Ethiopia as the latter threatens to invade the former in order to regain the sea access it had lost in 1991. While Ethiopia is Somaliland's most important ally, Somaliland might want to also want to distance themselves from an ally that aggressively desires sea access.
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>>2614574
is this treatlerism?


>>2614574
they always were

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Terrible film making fun of marxism, the initial concept was interesting, but they spent all of the film's time to revolve around 5-6 annoying main characters rather than environment. They had a "marxist world" eternity sold out (eternities are somehow scarce?) and all these other obnoxious ones that were being advertised, but it never really explained itself, instead it just focuses on one meaningless relationship to characters I could not care less about. The MC was asking the right questions in the beggining but then just gave up and made it all about his wife. WHY?
The ending was just a random "happily ever after" ending, I would've preferred if the wife got sent to the void for being so indecisive. The entire "afterlife" lobby or system is not very precise and appears to be operated entirely by people. They never bothered to explain how any of that works, just completely ignored this new concept the movie brought and revolves around.

In short what they presented was:
You die, you are in a giant waiting lobby, you get to choose your own eternity which is a world in which you spend eternal existence in but you only get to choose once, if you choose one and then try to get out or switch they will try to catch you and if they catch you they send you to an eternal void, eternities are scarce and some eternities are "sold out" or "defunct" because they became full or are "outdated" (i.e. they mentioned racist eternities and a "marxist world eternity" was also shown to be "sold out"), the MC's wife somehow manages to switch eternities without being caught and we're left to assume she lives forever in the new eternity, some people don't choose so they have to stay in the lobby and do jobs. NOTHING ELSE IS ELABORATED. They didn't give a fuck to even play with this concept a bit, they made it all about a cuckhold husband, a wife and her former husband. They had this insane concept and turned it into the cheesiest lamest romance story.
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>>2614571
we can actually test it by medically killing people then bringing them back to life to see what they report.

>>2614572
That's making a lot of mechanical assumptions that would be even harder to figure out with meat brains. Information could flow one way but not the other, for example.

Doing that test with an AI might be easier though, since you could make it as simple as a house spider to mitigate noise.

>>2614575
>Information could flow one way but not the other, for example.
but surely if souls are connected to brains, then re-activating the brain would receive the soul in the body to allow for the report.

>>2614577
Well that's what I'm saying: the body might be able to write to the soul, but not necessarily the other way around, or information might be uninterpretable and just come through as noise, since souls wouldn't necessarily need to be neural, so it'd be like converting AC to DC needs a different device than DC to AC.

I retract the assertion of it being untestable, but it'd be trying to reverse engineer a black box (possibly multiple) using another black box.

Moved to >>>/hobby/47073.



 

>"We should try to overcome capitalism's contradictions by reshaping and changing the economy"
>*tries in all kinds of different forms*
>fails massively all the time

Apart from blaiming the CIA, or claiming that these countries were well functionning, shouldn't marxists and other socialists try to adress this ? What made it so that everytime a new alternative system was propped up, it died within a few decades later and couldn't subsist without massive repression ?
Do you guys have an actual non-utopist way of coordinating labor (hard mode : no super computer ai and realist) without private property and without having the internal contradictions of markets show up ?(Rule 15)

1. Stop calling them failures and see them as the success which they were.

>>2614383
>success
>the only remaining existing """socialist""" countries are capitalist but with a socialist bureaucracy
perhaps that's the chosen way then…

>>2614380
what countries are you talking about?

The left doesn't actually want to win. You have to factor this into all your calculations.

>>2614380
>What do we do of the failures of the 20th century
Learn from them. Above all, reject and strenuously argue against anyone who peddles the view that familiarizing yourself with socialist history or theory is counterproductive or a "waste of time" and that the important thing is that "leftists" all come together and unite to gain relevance, regardless of very real and important differences. Such people, consciously or not, are acting in the service of the same political forces that led to the defeat of the proletarian movement throughout the 20th century and, if you follow their advice, you are doomed to repeat those failures you reference.

Importantly, some of those failures you reference (e.g., police repression and bureaucracy in the communist governments) are legitimate problems and have historical explanations. Others (e.g., the alleged "calculation problem" that bourgeois economists say proves economic planning and the abolition of private property are impossible) are not failures at all but idealist smokescreens that politically act as justifications for counterrevolution. The fact that you lump these all together suggests that you are perhaps theoretically ungrounded. I'd recommend, before anything else, reading Marx and Engels' principle works if you haven't already.



 

Large Brazilian union rejects Petrobras proposal to end strike
Sindipetro-NF is the largest union under FUP, an umbrella organization for oil workers. FUP's board had accepted the Petrobras proposal, but the matter still had to be voted by workers themselves. While all other 13 unions under FUP voted to end the strike, the Sindipetro-NF rejection means the protest is set to continue in at least some sites. Not all unions representing Petrobras workers are under FUP, however. The board of a different umbrella organization, FNP, has voted to keep the protest going, advising unions under it to do the same.
https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/large-brazilian-union-rejects-petrobras-proposal-end-strike-2025-12-26/

Five Deported Mexican Minors Found Alive in Tabasco
The missing persons report was filed Wednesday by Mexico’s National Migration Institute (INM), prompting the activation of an Amber Alert to locate the adolescents. “The teenagers were being transferred to the Celia Gonzalez de Rovirosa shelter. However, when they were taken off the vehicle transporting them, they ran away,” the prosecutor’s office said. The six youths are originally from the states of Tamaulipas, Chihuahua and Coahuila, but were expelled from the United States and transferred to the southern state of Chiapas.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/five-deported-mexican-minors-found-alive-in-tabasco/

Some Tate Workers’ Salaries Are Less Than Their Directors’ Bonuses
The strike lasted a week, beginning on 26 November and finishing on 2 December, after Tate’s Public and Commercial Services (PCS) union members had voted 98% in favour of it on a turnout of 87.7% after rejecting Tate’s offer of a 3% pay rise, well below inflation for the second consecutive year.
https://novaramedia.com/2025/12/23/some-tate-workers-salaries-are-less-than-their-directors-bonuses/

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Federal Judge Halts Trump’s ‘Arbitrary and Capricious’ Immigration Court Arrests
US District Judge for the Northern District of California Casey Pitts granted a stay in Sequen v. Albarran blocking Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) from carrying out courthouse arrests within ICE’s San Francisco Area of Responsibility, pending the outcome of a broader legal challenge.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-courthouse-arrests-blocked

Pediatrics group sues HHS for cutting funds for children’s health programs
The funding supported numerous public health programs, including efforts to prevent sudden unexpected infant death, strengthen pediatric care in rural communities and support teens facing substance use and mental health challenges.
https://apnews.com/article/aap-pediatrics-hhs-d458208e40d0e2ea1e03a59c94e8a194

Montgomery UPS distribution facility to layoff employees
The Associated Press released the list of companies that have had the largest job cuts dating back to Nov. 26, and UPS was among them, along with other notable companies such as Verizon and Amazon. UPS disclosed that 48,000 job cuts had occurred this year as part of its turnaround efforts, with the addition of increased work shifts. 93 leased and owned buildings that operated daily were closed during the first nine months of this year.
https://www.wsfa.com/2025/12/26/montgomery-ups-distribution-facility-layoff-employees/

California drops lawsuit seeking to reinstate federal funding for the state’s bullet train
The authority said this week it would focus on other funding sources to complete the project estimated to cost more than $100 billion. “This action reflects the State’s assessment that the federal government is not a reliable, constructive, or trustworthy partner in advancing high-speed rail in California,” an authority spokesperson said in a statement.
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The fall of the USSR was a tragedy for humanity, but not the end of history
On 26 December 1991, when the red flag was lowered from the Kremlin for the last time, the world did not merely witness the dissolution of a state. It witnessed the victory of counterrevolution—the temporary triumph of capitalism over the most advanced historical attempt to abolish exploitation and class rule. The fall of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was not the end of an experiment that had “failed,” as bourgeois ideology insists. It was one of the greatest tragedies in human history precisely because it interrupted a process that had transformed the lives of hundreds of millions and reshaped the global balance of class forces. For most of the twentieth century, the USSR stood as living proof that capitalism was neither eternal nor inevitable. It abolished unemployment, guaranteed universal education and healthcare, eliminated illiteracy, industrialized vast regions in record time, defeated fascism at a staggering human cost, and inspired revolutionary movements across every continent. Its existence alone constrained imperialism, strengthened workers’ struggles worldwide, and gave material meaning to the idea that another social system was possible. The counterrevolution of 1991 therefore marked far more than a geopolitical realignment. It signaled the restoration of capitalist power, the privatization of social wealth created by generations of workers, and the descent of millions into poverty, insecurity, and social degradation. Life expectancy collapsed, inequality exploded, and the promise of socialist modernity was replaced by oligarchic plunder. The tragedy was real, measurable, and lived. Yet to understand 1991, one must resist the convenient fiction that everything unraveled suddenly in the late 1980s. The counterrevolution was not an accident, nor merely the result of external pressure from imperialism. It was the outcome of a long process of ideological retreat and structural erosion within socialism itself.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/12/the-fall-of-ussr-was-tragedy-for-humanity-but-not-the-end-of-history.html

America’s Higher Education Promise Is Dead
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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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>>2610018
>inability to understand
Lmao

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>>2610049
I lend my voice to that of Président Macron and affirm the right of the enlightened Danes to rule over the backwards mongoloid Greenlanders.

>“It is in the interest of the United States and Europe” that the European Union be dissolved. That is what Nile Gardiner, director of the Heritage Foundation’s European arm, told Nieuwsuur.
https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2595747-trump-denktank-pleit-openlijk-voor-einde-europese-unie

>According to JD Vance, the American Vice-President, the European nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of "individuals close to Islamism" within 15 years, he told the conservative media Unherd. "It's a very direct threat to the United States of America", he considers, worrying about the loss of a "common cultural base" between his country and the Old Continent.



 

No man has been slandered so much in the history of science. The class enemy and their pseudo-intellectuals pour mud and shit on the man who dared to call a spade a spade - that biology is on firm Marxist-Leninist principles. That we did not create Marxism-Leninism, but that it is Marxism-Leninism that created us. Dialetical materialist understanding of the flora and fauna was forged with Great Darwin’s evolution theory. It was sharpened into a fine blade Engels’ brilliant ‘Part played by labour in the transition from ape to man’. Comrade Lysenko gallantly wielded the Immortal Science and embarked on steppe-wide crusade against scarcity amd famine. And the treat lovers hated him for it, they still do. No, no, no! No abundance of wheat, rice, and corn for the asiatic hordes and the African specimen! How dare they! Funko Pops for me, Famine Poop for thee! By burying Lysenko , and promoting Monsanto debauchery in the fields, by bullying Bohm-deBroglie and promoting the Heisenberg-Bohr mystic mafia in reactors, the Treatlerites secured the Century for themselves. But we must not be afraid. We must uphold the Great Men of Science. As Neruda’s pen truthfully carved: To be Man - that is the Stalinist Law !
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>>2497909
>The Copenhagen interpretation is an anti-materialist bourgeois psyop.
how about the seethenhagen interpretation

why's this slop still up

>>2607287
you'd rather debate for eternity about idpol garbage than talk about science

>>2497267
>AI has randomly spewed out this, even:
I wouldn't trust AI about anything complex.



 

The LTV was used mainly to defend the exploitation theory. Its role in it was to point out the difference between the labor-power and the labor value, the latter being created by the former. The argument was that the bourgeoisie could appropriate itself the surplus value in exchange of wages (labor value when exchanged for money - labor-power value [wages]) and that the proletariat couldn't decide for itself given that it lacked the means of production.
The counter argument to the LTV was essentially that value was determined subjectively. But even then, without the LTV, you can still have an exploitation theory. Objectively, you can still say that the workers are coerced into accepting their wages mainly because they don't themselves dispose of the means of production. Even in a marginalist conceptions, the workers produce goods that are worth more than their wage, and the surplus goes towards the bourgeoisie.

Shouldn't we aim at proving that the workers don't have a say in how the revenue is distributed, and that their wage doesn't signal a "time preference" but rather a systemic coercion by a lack of ownership ?
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>>2614388
everything is physical. even better, everything is a wave

>>2614395
does energy exist as an entity or does it only transfer between entities? in my understanding, Energy is more of a concept than an entity. It doesn’t “exist” as a thing on its own; rather, it’s a property of systems and objects that can be transferred, converted, or transformed between different forms. Potential energy is the energy stored in an object because of its position, condition, or state. It’s the energy an object has due to its potential to do work when its situation changes. I kind of see money is the matter of economics and value is the energy of economics. This is why I have no problem with "potential value" since Marx says value is created in production but realized in exchange.

>>2614400
>does energy exist
"energy" is just another way to say "time symmetry". it breaks at galactic scales

>>2614400
value has its own associated symmetry and conservation laws. it's very much real because social relations are real, because humans brains are real

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>>2614388
well it depends on how substantial of a concept you consider "value" to be. the common usage of the term typically refers to the price of a commodity (e.g. value in exchange), but it also refers to the value of its utility (e.g. value in use). this internal division of value has been noted since aristotle's time (t. "rhetoric" 1.7):
<Further, what is rare is a greater good than what is plentiful. Thus, gold is a better thing than iron, though less useful: it is harder to get, and therefore better worth getting. Reversely, it may be argued that the plentiful is a better thing than the rare, because we can make more use of it. For what is often useful surpasses what is seldom useful, whence the saying: "The best of things is water."
this "paradox of value" is reproduced by smith (1776) and ricardo (1817):
<The word value, it is to be observed, has two different meanings, and sometimes expresses the utility of some particular object, and sometimes the power of purchasing other goods which the possession of that object conveys. The one may be called `value in use'; the other, `value in exchange.' The things which have the greatest value in use have frequently little or no value in exchange; and, on the contrary, those which have the greatest value in exchange have frequently little or no value in use. Nothing is more useful than water: but it will purchase scarce anything; scarce anything can be had in exchange for it. A diamond, on the contrary, has scarce any value in use; but a very great quantity of other goods may frequently be had in exchange for it.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-adam/works/wealth-of-nations/book01/ch04.htm
jevons (1871) also tackles this by situating two types of utility; total and marginal utility:
<Thus I come to the conclusion that, in the use of the word value, three distinct meanings are habitually confused together, and require to be thus distinguished: (1) Value in use = total utility; (2) Esteem = final degree of utility [marginal utility]; (3) Purchasing power = ratio of exchange.
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Redpill me on farmers. What's the deal with modern farmers in the west?

Redpill me on farmers. What's the deal with modern farmers in the west?

Redpill me on farmers. What's the deal with modern farmers in the west?
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>>2607593
Not if the condom broke

Reminder that since there are no peasants in the west anymore, what is called 'farmer'is in fact a kulak. They are farm owners, not workers. The workers are in great majority poor illegal migrants with no rights whatsoever. A principled communist must be for dekulakisation. If the USSR in 1928 was already 'ripe' for dekulakisation, advanced modern Europe and NA have no excuse to keep pampering these bloodsuckers.

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>>2604728
Farmers I know just work the land but dobt own it. Still they are petit-bourgeoisie as they own their tools (tractors, combine harvesters) bought with tax dollars.




 

Uno si assenta per qualche mese e il filo più importante di tutti scompare… Roba da matti!

Non ho proprio calcolato questa tavola più o meno dal periodo dell'impresa di Luigi Mangione e ho ricominciato a buttarci un occhio solo da una settimana o due. Vediamo un po' che ne viene fuori stavolta.
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eeeh ma il PD

Buon Natale, manica di ricchioni!
Scusate la solita assenza, ma 'sti giorni cercherò di rimediare.

>>2613217
Buon Natale anche a te!

Certamente, Moffin'

>>2613773
Ma solo io non ho capito?



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