/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2924177
>You sure you won't become Porky after inheritance?
nothing to inherit, no worries 👍👍👍👍👍

but yeah, after I make all those sweet sweet millions on sellin crypto and twitch streamin, I will ban communism in every country on this planet because fuck you 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

>>2924202

Be sure to put in a good divy paying stock and use the proceeds to help the right people internationally.

I will probably keep living in my parents house till after they die and then the house will probably fall apart because I will neglect it and then either I'll have to move in with one of my siblings or I'll be found dead a few weeks after dying because I also neglected myself. That's what I see happening.

>>2924184
A bordigist would just call you an opportunist kkkracker for even thinking you're proletarian

>>2924763
J'avoue que j'ai pas trop compris pourquoi il n' a pas ressorti l'argument de la jeunesse (qui se tient). Surtout que c'était un habitué des forum de jvc à cette époque.

>>2924801
Excluons d'emblée la théories de la stratégie politique à 5 dimensions et usons du rasoir d'Ocam.

Bardella pensait que Mediapart bluffait au niveau des preuves ou il a tout connement oublié ce qu'il postait à l'époque. Donc il a crié fake news pour pas écorner son image au sein des patrons pas encore prêts à tomber le masque. Sauf que les preuves sont arrivées et que maintenant c'est trop tard pour changer de stratégie, alors il persiste dans le déni en espérant que la mauvaise réputation des journalistes et la promesse d'un procès suffira à imposer sa version des faits dans l'imaginaire collectif.

>>2923754
>Comment ça se fait que personne semble gagnant dans l'affaire
les fonds de pensions et la finance en générale est bien gagnante, et t'en fais pas pour les multinationales, elles se contentent de planquer leurs gains pour optimiser leur fiscalité.

>soit les entreprises vont mal parce qu'elles donnent leurs argent à la population
chose qui n'est littéralement jamais arrivée

>Je peux comprendre que le gateau ne s'aggrandisse pas
dans ce cas tu avales des couleuvres, on peut maintenant automatiser des tonnes de choses qui ne pouvaient l'etre avant, et le pib continue de monter malgré tout, bien sur que le gateau s'agrandit, les gains vont juste dans la part des ultra riches

>comment expliquer que la situation économique semble bien pire qu'il y a 10 ou 15 ans
l'influence de l'euro (trop fort pour nous), du dumping social et fiscal de l'europe, et de la désindustrialisation d'une part, et d'autre part le reste du monde qui rattrape l'occident qui devient de moins en moins avantagé
on a délocalisé tout notre appareil industriel, là où c'est facile d'utiliser du capital pour de gros gain de productivité, réduisant d'autant l'importance du salaire du travailleur dans la part du profit, pour remplacer par des emplois de services et de logistiques de merde
et on se met en concurrence y compris à l'intérieur même de la france contre plein de produits qui respectent 100x moins de normes mais rentrent sans problème
et maintenant les capitalistes sont globalisés et on a viré toutes les barrières aux mouvements de capitaux, juste parcequ'un milliardaire est francais ne veut pas dire qu'il va investir en france, et commes des taux de profits plus haut sont possibles ailleurs, les investissements sont faits ailleurs

>>2924866
sans oublier la spécialité francaise d'arroser d'argent public les entreprises des copains sans aucune logique ni contrepartie, résultat trou sans fond dans le budget de l'état, limite de ses dépenses (et des dépenses sociales), baisse de la consommation qui fait mal à l'économie tandis que des entreprises non compétitive survivent juste en se gavant de notre pognon et en enrichissant des parasites qui vont aller tout remettre à la bourse.
Ah oui et en plus on a de grosses incitations à mettre les gens au salaire minimum, avec l'état qui paye encore pour que des gros porcs de bourgeois exploitent des précaires.

>>2924833
C'est l'ère de la post vérité, l'important c'est que ta base politique te croit et suive le narratif que tu martelle et ça marche, après tout Bardella est un étudiant de Goebbels. Donc mediapart c'est des menteurs qui complotent, l'huissier qui a vérifié ça est un vendu, et après tout la justice qui déclarera un non lieu pour son procès en diffamation est islamo gauchiste donc n'a aucune légitimité. Des millions de teubés tombent dans le panneau.

On voit la même chose avec le gouvernement qui a déclaré que 'a LFI teleguidait les manifs lycéennes et a chaque fois que les flics commettent un crime violent avec preuve vidéo la version de la préfecture produit un récit 1984esque qui contredit tout ce qu'on peut voir avec nos yeux

because "leftism" is an online subculture that doesn't involve actually doing anything in the real world. which is now impossible anyway, because the world is dead and the escathon is total.
so enjoy shit throwing at your fellow leftists on this god forsaken board, it's a passtime as good as any really.

this is how non-authoritarian political movements are supposed to function internally. it's only when they are out in the world lobbying and networking and fundraising and demonstrating and protesting and striking and rioting and blowing shit up they are organized and working together. when they are back at headquarters they are debating and bickering and arguing and complaining and shouting and nitpicking and criticizing and attacking each other over absolutely everything. if they aren't doing that internally, then it's not a healthy political movement; it's just an authoritarian cult. actual leftist politics, i.e. democracy, isn't everyone being mindless robotic clones marching in lockstep and agreeing about absolutely everything, it's supposed to be human beings with diverse viewpoints and personalities discussing and figuring things out in a messy and chaotic and tedious process of arbitration and eventually arriving at some kind of consensus, which isn't the same as agreement; it just means the people who disagree with the decision accept that they've been outvoted and swallow their pride and act like adults and sit on that shit. if you can't get down with that and you want a more efficient and ego-validating movement to be a part of, go join maga. real politics is for adults only, it's not for babies.

‘This Scheme Is a Poison Pill’: Trump Blasted Over Federal School Voucher Program
The US Department of the Treasury this week released proposed regulations for the first federal “school choice” program, as proponents call it, drawing a fresh wave of condemnation from critics who have expressed concerns since President Donald Trump signed last year’s Republican budget package.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-school-voucher-program

Vance's fraud crackdown may raise costs for US health insurers, enrollees
The 2010 Affordable Care Act created income-based government-subsidized health plans for individuals, with 19 million people ‌now enrolled. Millions have dropped out this year as extra COVID-19 pandemic subsidies expired. The Trump administration now says fraud contributed to the growth. Vice President JD Vance said last week the government had removed 760,000 enrollees it believed did not exist or who had been fraudulently signed up by brokers and were unaware of their insurance coverage. Another 400,000 are under review.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/vances-fraud-crackdown-may-raise-costs-us-health-insurers-enrollees-2026-10-02/

Democrats put $3.4M behind Susan Collins allegations
The big buy from Senate Majority PAC suggests Democrats think they can turn a complicated investigation into a simple message attacking Collins' willingness to put Maine first. It also suggests they don't think the allegations in the ProPublica story — which Collins vigorously disputes — have broken through with Maine voters. "Susan Collins took illegal campaign money and steered millions in government contracts to the donor," a female narrator says in the ad.
https://www.axios.com/2026/10/02/democrats-susan-collins-maine-senate-propublica
https://archive.ph/gdsP3

Florida’s dengue outbreak is now the largest in the continental US in decaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2925123
enough with the anti-semetism.

Against the Politics of Communal Fear By Bhaskar Sunkara
New York City’s new municipal strategy to combat antisemitism comes just days after the war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu used his platform at the United Nations to call Zohran Mamdani “the antisemitic mayor of New York” and claim that since his election “many Jews no longer feel safe” in the city. The initiative seeks to expand education, support victims of hate crimes, and fund security at Jewish institutions and other houses of worship throughout the five boroughs. Laudable as any attempt to reduce animus is, the Left should view the plan skeptically. Antisemitism, it goes without saying, is an evil. And it’s an evil that socialists have particular reason to be concerned with. For centuries, the idea that powerful Jewish interests were at the heart of social injustice was widespread. Socialists of August Bebel’s generation called antisemitism “the socialism of fools” for how it steered resentment of capitalist instability and speculation into ethnic hatred. Today Mamdani is right to condemn it. And it is understandable that he wants to give that condemnation a practical policy expression. This makes sense on the level of both principle and tactics for a political leader who has been the subject of a deliberate and baseless attempt to equate his support for Palestinian freedom with antisemitism. Any socialist mayor should oppose prejudice, enforce equal rights, and respond to specific acts of discrimination or violence. The question is whether the administration’s response is proportionate to the problem, and whether its rhetoric helps people assess their circumstances accurately or encourages them to understand their lives through a sense of communal siege.
https://jacobin.com/2026/10/antisemitism-communal-identity-mamdani-universalism

Why Russia remains stubbornly insignificant to the Middle East
Support for Palestinian statehood has been Moscow's position since the Soviet Union backed partition in 1947, and it has remained so since the Russian Federation's establishment in December 1991. Rather than providing the Palestinians with substantial support against their Israeli colonisers, the Russian Federation has, since 1991, at best offered nothing more than empty diplomatic rhetoric in suppPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna

My dad is a anarcholiberal that started getting into DSA politics.
He says the shit I say about "social fascists" is being said in the DSA discords and reddit about social democrats.
Because the terminally online DSA posters see themselves as Democratic Socialists.
I don't think there is a meaningful difference between the two as they both see reform as a valid strategy to rehabilitate capitalism but it is funny to see it turn into a sort of umbrella organization for all kinds of irrelevant socialism.

Get the chinese money, build the org

>>2890480
Puerto Rico

>>2892964
>He will do "Easternization" similar to westernization that Sun Yat Sen did with his influence from Western thinkers like Henry George
The American political system is so ossifed that it's going to fail hard. They're literally out of ideas and nothing epitomizes this better than them trying to force-meme Kopmala 2028.
>>2893169
>But i doubt they would be inspired by Chinese socialist system.
That's because the Chinese system was built for China. I think it'll be an inspiration for socialist movements all over the world like the USSR was but attempting to rotely copy the system will fail.
>>2924452
Today's "democratic socialists" are literally the original social democracy that believe that socialism can be attained through electoralism and reform as espoused by the likes of Bernstein and others. Today's "social democrats" have been essentially market liberals ever since Bad Godesberg.

>>2924996
the model only applicable to the chinese context:
<have institutions

this doesnt make anyone think

Deep down everybody knows nations are fake

>>2924685
Because they want to associate themselves most people think are good, how is that thought worthy exactly?

liberals and fascists appropriate it. communists were the first to preach its necessity during an age of unrivaled bourgeois nationalism and trade union consciousness: the 19th century.

>>2924772
Bullshit, French communists were against both Vietnamese and Algerian independence

>>2887896
son… i am proud

>>2916508
AI will sent us back to the XIXth except without any hope for technological recovery or progress due to depleted ressources.
One day some retard will task an AI to mine every crypto coin available and every connected device with a modicum of computing ability will be doing just that instead of perfoming its functions. No phones, no computers, no drones and no fancy Wunderwaffe.
That will weaken the bourgeois much more than the proles.

>>2876646
>Nooooooo the working class is petty booj for not revolting!!!
So leftkkkoms are triple booj for never revolting anywhere ever?

>>2916554
If anything they actually tip the balance of power away from the ruling class and the state.

>>2916508
AI isn’t even real

Tbh I think we need a far more rigorous understanding of what progress towards communism actually looks like. We tend to treat it as a random collection of policies (a state of affairs to be established!) and not the sustained achievement of objectively necessary revolutionary tasks according to the context (the real movement that abolishes the present state of things!). Taking OP's example, we can correctly regard the nationalization of agriculture and food distribution as a socialist policy that would be admirable if effectively implemented. However, if we're in a situation where the most pressing revolutionary task is the consolidation of the proletariat dictatorship (as was the case in Russia in 1921), then a state which accomplishes this while forgoing the nationalization of agriculture does not cease to be revolutionary. The only question then is whether the policy under discussion is actually accomplishing this task, e.g. is it a tactical retreat that stabilizes the Soviet Republic or is it a fatal concession to the landowners that compromises the republic's class character. Either way, the discussion should centre on the task and the policy's utility to it rather than the policy in the abstract.

>>2921264
>USSR allowed foreign help from capitalists
i never understood that line of criticism, how else would you even build an industrial base? what would the leftcoms unironically have done in this situation? just make believe and try to force material development by having grand ideas like mao tried to do?

>>2920782
>Lenin admitted the NEP failed in his last congress.
Can I get the direct quote and source pls. Sorry to doubt you but it is better to be skeptical and wrong than to potentially fall for a lie.

>>2920896
>Notice how empirical evidence of Lenin doing Revisionist™ things
he didnt do revisionism because he didnt pretend capitalism was socialism like you do

>>2920896
Oh sure let's just ignore the century or so of 'leftcoms' noticing exactly what Lenin was doing and criticizing the USSR as state capitalism because of it. Fucking retard

>>2924064
>I don't see a way they could defeat NATO head on or would even bother trying.
2924064
because it's fucking russia all they ever did was try to invade europe and they're not going to stop. they can't help it either - it's their nature to do so.

>>2924065
yeah nah it's far easier for nato to destroy russia than the other way around because most of it's population simply lives alongside volga
i look forward to the suicidal scenario

>>2924234
does your reductio ad fantasy make it any less real?

can't wait til we're genociding butthurt belters together with russia again

>>2924321
>Yes they did. You are confusing Khrushchev with the Liberman reforms under Brezhnev. Those reforms were done because Khrushchev consolidated too much of everything under the purview of Gosplan and Gossnab. Artels sold things on markets and stores. You could do custom orders for clothes in stores and they would be routed to a private tailor, store getting the cut and you getting the product. This was done in the 1950s. You could also go to the tailor directly, the economy was different, but it was not just exclusive relationship with the state. Machine Tractor Stations were state property and not part of artels. Khanin said Stalin was thinking about further expanding commodity production. I guess we are dealing with Schrödinger's Stalin here.
You have no citations, so you have no proof for your arguments; furthermore, you are confusing an individual worker using their own labor power with cooperatives that had an exclusive relationship with the state. Khrushchev dismantled the state-owned Machine and Tractor Stations and handed them over to agricultural cooperatives; therefore, you are wrong.

You can see the arguments in this quote by Stalin:

<It is said that, since the domination of social ownership of the means of production has been established in our country, and the system of wage labour and exploitation has been abolished, commodity production has lost all meaning and should therefore be done away with.

<That is also untrue. Today there are two basic forms of socialist production in our country: state, or publicly-owned production, and collective-farm production, which cannot be said to be publicly owned. In the state enterprises, the means of production and the product of production are national property. In the collective farm, although the means of production (land, machines) do belong to the state, the product of production is the property of the different collective farms, since the labour, as well as the seed, is their own, while the land, which has been turned over to the collective farms in perpetual tenure, is used by them virtually as their own property, in spite of the fact that they cannot sell, buy, lease or mortgage it.

<The effect of this is that the state Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2920766
everyone learns this, nobody knows what to do about it. either you seize power from the people exploiting you, or you are at their mercy forever. if you try "abolish power" you just create a power vacuum that everyone seeking power quickly stampedes after.

>>2924342
Wrong. Imperialist capitalism is characterized by uneven development among countries; therefore, a simultaneous global revolutionary situation will not occur, as the communist movements in various countries will not progress at the same rate toward seizing power. Fantasizing about a global revolution to concoct opportunistic excuses for communists and workers to avoid overthrowing their bourgeois state and establishing a proletarian state constitutes counter-revolutionary betrayal. By your logic, Marx and Engels would have condemned the Paris Commune.

If, in a given country, workers have been prepared for a communist revolution by a communist party amidst a revolutionary situation, one cannot invent excuses to avoid overthrowing the bourgeois state; one must establish the dictatorship of the proletariat and strive to achieve economic sovereignty as quickly as possible, regardless of the suffering required to socialize the economy or the hatred one might incur. Giving up is also unacceptable. Defending the supremacy of the proletarian class, organized in a workers' party independent of the bourgeoisie, is the obligation of all communists.

>>2920766
I disagree. Your rhetoric reflects an anti-Marxist apathy rather than a desire to help the proletariat seize power and become the new ruling class.

>>2924513
The only crucial point is for the proletariat to achieve political supremacy by using social equality to abolish private property, the anarchy of production, and social classes. To me, fearing power is foolish. Morality is also irrelevant to me, because class interests dictate what matters: the class struggle, possessing class consciousness, and understanding the irreconcilable nature of the conflict between private property owners and non-owners social classes. Inventing imaginary enemies out of a fear of "authoritarianism", while ignoring the capitalist class and its apologists, leaves one vulnerable to co-optation.

>>2924513
It's why electoral mechanism are essential. They are the only real way power can be checked by the masses short of violence. The problem is, too many socialists are totalitarian ideologues who see any ability for anyone to check their power as the starting point for a counter revolution and therefore tolerate no dissent, which just leads to those "socialists" abusing their unchecked power like anyone else.