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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<How To Build A Party Edition


>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
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>>2586554
Imperialism might be less tangible but it's consequences are not. Also ways to fight it exist. Right now every single Communist, socialist, "leftist", even liberal org should pause all other projects and put full support to an anti war with Venezuela plan.
Second if queer liberation happens in the imperial core, it's not like it changes the material conditions for queer people outside of the imperial core (which far more exist), those queer people face the horrors of imperialism every day and our they less valuable than western lives? I don't think so.

>>2586935
>I know therefore everyone knows therefore shut up
you know. not everyone necessarily

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>>2586672
I'm not even talking about ACP, just in general the western left prioritizes queer liberation, which is a valiant cause worth fighting, over imperialism the largest contradiction on the plant and as members of the imperial core we have a unique position in which to fight it.

>>2586554
no offense but the essence of your comment is reformism



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why do people believe in this line of reasoning? it doesnt make sense at all
i was talking with some retard on xitter and he told me "marx was wrong, without capitalism you wouldnt even be talking with me right now!"
when did people start saying this? and why???
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>watch video about "communist atrocity"
>comments "gomunism bad, 90000 gorillion dead"
<mfw the atrocity in question was actually stopped by the communists
many such cases

>>2586813
but why? you can find marxs books for free surely i cant be THAT hard for people to do the bare minimum and read, right?

>>2586842
most marxists dont read marx,
so why would anti-marxists?

>>2586845
good point

>>2586800
They aren’t thinking when they say this, they’re just parroting the cliches bourgeois culture shits out all throughout its mentally degenerated media



 

🌴CALIFORNIA POLITICS 🥑
< The Cesspool of Late-Stage Narcissism Edition

💸🧘Thread for hellish discussion of the Progressive Reich and the smug, solar-paneled hypocrisy of the California Bourgeoisie and its Proletarian Gimps.🌞🍷

<Things will continue to be a performative hellscape where every solution is a branded, venture-capitalist-backed app for a problem they created, where people who preach "sustainability" own three homes and charge their Tesla from a grid powered by fossil fuels. The homeless population will be both a moral crisis and an eyesore to be hidden behind decorative fencing, while the legislature passes another groundbreaking non-binding resolution. The state will burn, flood, and drought simultaneously, and everyone will blame climate change while refusing to address the water-guzzling almond farms or their own lawn. The collapse will be a slow, Instagrammable descent into a smug, self-congratulatory dystopia.


<Death to the land of the fake woke, the exporters of insipid culture, the enabler of NIMBYs, the patron saint of pilates, the captains of crony capitalism, the barons of brunch, the lord of the lease-to-own luxury car, the guarantor of gentrification, the sultan of the startup, the prince of the pinkwashed police state

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Reminder that we kinda have an aristocracy this state, alot of rural countys seem to have a random own half of the land in the county

california is losing population due to terrible housing cost and discrediting the """left""" with it?


>>2587037
>Demonstrators gathered in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday as part of a nationwide rally called “No War on Venezuela.” The event was a national day of action calling for a stop to U.S. military action in Venezuela. KTLA’s Jillian Smukler reports on Dec. 6, 2025.

Down with the Silicon Valley billionaires. California has the ultimate potential yet we are being sucked dry both figuratively and literally. Massive farming corporations drain our natural water reserves while techbros fuck over our state over and over again.



 

Behold, the most useless communist party. What do these guys even do?
What the hell is going on over there in Nepal? This can extend to Sri Lanka also.

The most useless and embarrassing communist party is the Communist Party of Britain. The Labour party for bigots afraid of ever actually being adjacent to power.

>>2587046
which one?

Was this the one that China backed a monarchy against?

>>2587065
No, this is the Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist-Leninist) which opposed the People's War. Their chairman (KP Sharma Oli) was the guy who just got kicked out of the Prime Minister position by the recent protests in Nepal.

>>2586985
>What the hell is going on over there in Nepal?
The collapse of the historic compromise between revisionist "communism" and liberalism. This isn't just limited to Nepal either. We can also see this in the collapse of "Eurocommunist" politics across Europe as revisionist Communist Parties are being banned right left and center. Their usefulness to liberalism and bourgeois "multi-party democracy" is used up, they played their role in wrecking revolutionary politics to perfection, and as capitalism heads to another general crisis liberalism is uninterested in communist politics even having a nominal presence in public life.



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>>2586472
Unemployed people bad. That was easy.

>>2585992
Computer, load up celery man, please!

Sum1 bake nu bread

>>2586645
we dont need one anymore. let it die

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What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
a) less educated
b) disinclined to reading
c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
d) lower in cultural capital and status. (though harder to show in a neat chart, it links to b. most readers will know what i mean if i just say they're uncool.)

and the frankly obvious-and-growing divide of political behavior by intelligence throughout the west, with better educated people voting for left/liberal parties and less educated people voting for nationalists and reactionaries.
in this sense, and only this sense, are the right correct to identify the left with liberals. both leftists and liberals are generally educated, enjoy reading, and high agreeableness/openness, the opposite of rightists.

what are the implications as relate to the idea that right-wing fake news and rage-bait are demand lead, with low-openness, low-agreeableness, poorly educated non-readers prefering to watch nonsense not because they're manipulated into it by outside forces, but because this is just what they like

what are the implications for left-wing organizing strategy, which tends to resist trying to appeal directly to the interests of educated knowledge workers (or, indeed, young proletarianized female service workers with degrees) because of the aesthetic pull of historical industrial mass-movements?

what are the implications in the longer run, given that higher education enrolment levels have generally been rising over time, such that more than 50% of British young people now go into further education by age 30? what are the implications of this trend reversing, as is apparently happening in the US?

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>>2547267
there is an inevitability of a well-regulated chaos within a hellenic cosmopolitanism however - if we permit the cosmopolis ("society of the world") then we will create wealth inequality and also wealth opportunity. eroding borders would mean doing away with the artificial stratification of the north/south and so a new way of living would exist. nietzsche for example, expressly promotes race-mixing as a strategy for eugenics (not by preserving purity, but by the process of purification, in combining many aspects into one), which is entirely contrary to current right-wing myopia, which wants to end history altogether. the consciousness of the "radical right" (t. jonathan bowden) is not "conservative", but is a revaluation of all values, and particularly, socratism and christianity. i would say that new thinking can also be old thinking, without of course, spoilation through a "platonism for the masses".

>>2547229
Note how it's framed as a joke about bushes speaking style and flatters the reader's intelligence by relying on them getting the philosophical reference rather than just saying "republicans are retards lol!!" Directly.
(And even then, just calling your opponents dumb is different from actually analysing them on the basis of their stupidity)

>>2546215
>What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
>a) less educated
>b) disinclined to reading
>c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
>d) lower in cultural capital and status.

uhhh… it means they're working class

>>2586820
whoops

I don't put a lot of stock in research like this and the hyped up conclusions people draw from it. If you polled the average online leftist, you'd find them just as poorly read, less open etc. If openness, tolerance, and having elite cultural capital are core features of liberalism, then obviously right wing populists aren't going to score high in those areas because they oppose those values.

Politics today is overwhelmingly aesthetic. Why is someone a right winger? Because they watched a dozen wermacht edits and don't want uyghurs moving in next door. Why is someone a leftist? Its the whole Che T shirts thing all over again. Nobody reads or evaluates ideas. They pick stuff that makes them feel good and are encouraged to do so. Political theories are just instruments for power, tools for getting what you want. Why are there so many trans leftists? Because it gets them things. Why are many evangelicals right wingers? Because liberals always looked down on them and the left was too atheist, it didn't get them what thy wanted. Its really that simple.



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>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.



 

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behold, the original flag of the Australian labour movement in all its glory

if u don't salute ur a lib

>>2584219
is that a bundle of sticks on the bottom left lmao holy shit

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>>2584219
SALUTE!

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This is Riff Raff Radical Marching Band. Say something nice about them.



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>>2586626
It's more of a clergy thing tbh

>>2586626
I'm only practicing proletarian astrology. I don't dabble in the dark arts.

What would be the Chinese pasta dish to replace Macaroni's name? Ramenoni?

China is an example of solar punk working

>>2586646
One of the problems that haunts Green parties in the west is that porkies who sell solar panels are just as cuntish as porkies who sell oil.



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What's actually wrong with the Falange?

>supports workers rights

>strong state that controls strategic sectors
>actually supported the separation of church and state, unlike Franco
>built lots of public housing and infrastructure
>implemented social welfare measures, such as the mandatory family allowance system
>hated Freemasonry, big bankers, and oligarchs, without being anti-semitic
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https://filosofia.org/aut/001/1939tlc.htm#p05

Go on and google translate that speech. He goes on praising Marx and largely agree with him but sees no contradiction with his own idealistic notion of the Fatherland and man which was just a mental illness due to his upper-class upbringing. Personally I think he was a hack but very smart.
Spain back then was barely out from being a feudal backwater so syndicalist and reactionary essentializing theories like anarchism were popular and with the proletariat not being as developed there wasn't that massive of a rift between the interests of the ruling class and a good chunk of the popular classes (peasants are inherently reactionary idgaf) for there to be a perceived existential threat, it was moreso to restore the natural order of things in a more integral fashion than the Italian/German futuristic aesthetics of burning everything down, though still just as radical it wasn't precisely alienating.
Falange was roots-fascism so to say closer to Sorel in many aspects with a human face like if Italian/Nazi fascism was the abstract "we're all the same race" falangism was like we're all the same family

But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account. Like I unironically believe it had tangential influence on the political development of Castro due to the large spanish community in Cuba at the time (himself being part of) and it is a statement for the power of the Fatherland as a mobilizing force, Patria o Muerte itself sounds incredibly falangist

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>>2586081
This uygha didn't read Marx yet.

>>2586292
>But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account.
I don't think it ever did? Like there's whatever this aristocrat said he was doing and then there was the actual history of how this played out.

>>2586295
this uygha hasn't read the principles of communism oh no no no

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Also thread is saged now but the Falange was unusually non-proletarian even by the standards of other fascist parties (that were fairly middle class usually anyways). Like they were very heavily not that.

Weirdly and disturbingly, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania probably was the strongest fascist group ever in recruiting blue-collar workers and those guys were so psychotic a conservative-authoritarian government shot the whole leadership and dumped their bodies in a lime pit.



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