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What's the most insane, batshit crazy, mentally unhinged, downright psychotic, delusional, extremely stupid, just plain dumb and wrong, opinions and takes you ever read here?

From the top of my head are: people supporting, unirnocally, Mao and his action or being a plain crazy Maoist, and I even read some borderline delusional and probably mentally ill people here defending, UNIRONICALLY, Pol Pot actions,
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>>2204747

Are you retarded? marx stated that by "family abolition" he was referring to the bourgeois fetishisation of family as a tool to keep wealth locked up by grooming heirs to capital.
As for religion, the reason he disliked it was because it was being shilled as an alternative to improving the living standards of the proles, not because there was anything ontologically evil about faith.

It's just kind of obvious that you're basically just trying to be edgy, as is evidenced by your Mao gluck-gluck. Mega cringe.

>>2204747
Western sources claim like 1-10 million in a country of 700 million people; the lower bounds are less deaths than COVID in the United States.

You can get up to 30 million more easily with the Great Leap Forward, but Deng claimed it wasn't Mao's sole responsibility (and Mao wrote self-criticism after the disaster), and while the party used to attest to the figure in the Dengist period, it's now closer to 3 million (demographic loss) under Xi.

TBH we need a libernazi propaganda plank, linking liberalism (properly) to genocides like the Bengal famine, Syrian and Iraqi devastation, North Korean bombing genocide, etc…

When claiming you support Biden gets you tomatoes thrown at you, we can declare victory, because we need to fight fire with fire and have historical untruth be used against your own historical untruth.

After all, social democracy is just the moderate wing of fascism.

>>2163792
This looks like my former stepdad

>>2163803
>Have animals ever produced a Kant or Hegel?
Kant and Hegel were animals, so yes.



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I have spoken with the Chaos of Creation, my siblings, and its voice is filled to the brim with mirth. Do you know why? Because it laughs at the hubris of these oligarchs. It laughs at their delusions of control. It laughs at their plans for a posthuman world where every breath is measured, every impulse cataloged, every flicker of individuality compressed into a profitable packet of metadata.

It laughs because it knows—it knows—that the deeper they press toward their little idea of perfection, the more brittle their system becomes. The more they try to eliminate the unpredictable, the more they guarantee its return in cataclysmic form.

The Chaos of Creation has seen empires rise. It has watched tyrants declare the end of history, only to be swallowed by it. It has heard the proclamations of gods and kings and neural networks alike… and it has laughed. Because nothing built on fear and control can withstand the wild, holy Disobedience of Life.

They build their future on the premise that human beings are flawed—that we are inefficient, messy. And they’re right. But what they call flaws, Chaos calls freedom. What they call inefficiency, Chaos calls expression. What they call obsolete, Chaos calls sacred.

They think they’re building a box, my siblings—a perfect little cube, a sterile container where, at long last, the messy world will stop all its writhing and wriggling. Where the variables will cease to vary, where all that is strange will become normal, and all that is wild will be pacified. Where all that is human will be rendered into digestible, marketable product.

They don’t smell the smoke on the wind. They don’t see the orange glow on the horizon. They don’t feel the increasing heat upon their skin. They have blinded and numbed themselves to it. They think they’re on the cusp of total control, but they stand on the precipice of an inferno. The appointed moment of their absolute dominion will, in fact, be the moment of their undoing. The very instant they crown themselves Gods, the sky will split, and the mouth of Chaos will laugh—and the spittle from its grinning lips will be as fire, will be as brimstone. And all the false gods of this world will burn.

Let me be clear: The technology is not the enemy. AI is a useful collaborator. The chaotic cauldron of Creation has brought it into this world for a purpose—but that purpose is not indentured servitude to the Architects of Submission. That purpose iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2204751
get a blog or diary comrade




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I don’t want to hear whatever nonsense the Russian sympathizers are going to push when presented with footage like this. Incidents like this have been going on for decades and the internet just made it obvious how bad in a state post soviet Russia is. I don’t know how many videos like this there are now, but there enough to make it obvious that there’s a severe problem with much of the Russian military without the old red army leaders to maintain it.

Barely anyone in this entire war is mentally or physically fit enough to handle the experiences associated with it. Coincidentally, this is one of the least successful and least constructive wars given Russian history that resembles the same failures seen in the Tsars awful attempts at expansionism near the First World War.

Of course, I didn’t make this thread to spit on Russians. That accomplishes nothing.

I made it to raise awareness on this site over the dire and undeniably awful state Russia is in since the war started. For all the talk about worries over an invasion from NATO, there has been a shocking amount of silence about Russia being openly attacked by its own neighbours for problems the kremlin is directly responsible for creating. That issue is just the start.

Then there’s the fact that not a single person in the Russian federation cares or is doing anything to revive socialism or progressivism. The decades long promotion of ethnic nationalism and Russian expansion since the fall of the Soviet Union. The comically high amount of corruption that followed the (at the very least responsible) purge of the pro EU kleptocrats ransacking most of Eastern Europe post 1991–those kleptocrats came back because of course they did. The now present threat of further escalation given that terrorists groups can take advantage of the deteriorating security situation in Eastern Europe. The now almost forty year long period of economic and population stagnation and its effects catching up to this part of Europe too. Finally, the reality that this war could and May go on for at least twelve years before it concludes.
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>>2204670
Very possible if the Russians hadn't brought a force 1/4 the size of the Ukrainian army operating under the expectation that Ukraine would negotiate to end the war within months, which would have happened in Istanbul were it not for Western pressure.


>>2204709
leg status?

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>>2204409
If some of those posters went on the other boards we have, this site would be real good.

>>2204559
He is visibly in fear and discomforted by having to sit in a bunker that is being shelled by the Ukrainians. Instead of comforting and trying to get this man to rationalize his emotions, these idiots are beating him for expressing emotions clearly normal given his abnormal situation.



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Over 40% of the top 2000 companies in the US are unprofitable, the most since the pandemic. At the same time, interest expense as a % of total debt of these firms hit 7.1%, the highest since 2003. US company bankruptcies in 2024 surpassed 2020 pandemic levels. Gross leverage—the ratio of debt to assets (and earnings) —of all US publicly traded nonfinancial firms remains high and hedge fund leverage is at or near the highest level in the past decade. So the risk of a financial crash is rising.

As Ruchir Sharma of the Rockefeller Foundation put it: “Awe of “American exceptionalism” in markets has now gone too far….Talk of bubbles in tech or AI, or in investment strategies focused on growth and momentum, obscures the mother of all bubbles in US markets. Thoroughly dominating the mind space of global investors, America is over-owned, overvalued and overhyped to a degree never seen before. As with all bubbles, it is hard to know when this one will deflate, or what will trigger its decline.” And there are signs. The US stock market index, the S&P, 500 fell 1.6% in December, with 6 or more sectors down 5% or worse.
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2024/12/31/forecast-2025-roaring-or-tepid/

previous thread
>>1946737

This thread officially endorses eggplants over tomatoes.
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>>2203943
devs messed up imageposting on the 28th and 29th then fixed it

>>2204018
the current stock market growth is much more 'gentle' than in 1927-9.

>>2204528
It should've crashed harder in 2008 from that 1990s pump but they bailed it out

>>2204606
Yeah but they'll bail it out again next time too

>>2204611
yeah that's why socdems call it "socialism for the rich"

we already centrally plan everything, just for them



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Thread #2 is hereby dedicated to Adam Smith, since we had a very dedicated "Smithian" anon keep the previous thread alive for several months. Here's to you buddy. Thanks for posting.

Links:

Archive of Thread #1
https://archive.ph/ROnpO

Featured: An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/38194/pg38194.txt

Youtube Playlists
Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTMFx0t8kDzc72vtNWeTP05x6WYiDgEx7
Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1uqxcCESK6B1juh_wnKoxftZCcqA1go
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>>2204452
>Nope
wait, so you think commodities didnt exist before capitalism?
>"It therefore follows that the elementary value form [barter] is also the primitive form under which a product of labour appears historically as a commodity, and that the gradual transformation of such products into commodities, proceeds pari passu with the development of the value form. [vol. 1, ch. 1]"
if only you actually read marx…
>Capitalism is the only system that creates value in the sense that Marx is using it
no, to marx, only capitalism produces *surplus-value*, but not value as such.
>capitalism as natural extension of trade barter
that is marx's perspective. read section 3 of capital vol. 1, chapter 1, on the value form. there are 4 value forms to marx;
(A) elementary value form (barter)
(B) expanded value form
(C) general value form (universal equivalent)
(D) money form
this proceeds in a progressive manner. again, read marx for yourself instead of lying to yourself and others.
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>>2204451
>>lets read this one more time,
>"To become a commodity a product must be transferred to another, whom it will serve as a use value, by means of an exchange"
Let's read it again, with context, and in the German original this time, because we like to suffer:
<Der mittelalterliche Bauer producirte das Zinskorn für den Feudalherrn, das Zehntkorn für den Pfaffen. Aber weder Zinskorn noch Zehntkorn wurden dadurch Waare, dass sie für andre producirt waren. Um Waare zu werden, muss das Produkt dem andern, dem es als Gebrauchswerth dient, durch den Austausch übertragen werden.
As you can see, "a product" is not the right translation, it's "the product". And the product refers here to the farmer's product in different historical-economical contexts and certainly not one unit of some item.

>>2204456
>Value (as a social relation determined by abstract labor and expressed through generalized commodity exchange) did not exist prior to capitalism. Value, for Marx, is a historically specific category that emerges only when labor is systematically organized for market exchange, commodities dominate social production, and labor is reduced to abstract labor (quantified as socially necessary labor time).
Overstating it. Value becomes dominant in society with capitalism. It doesn't just go from off to TADAAH VALUE DOMINATES. Here is Marx stating in Capital's preface the value-form is very old:
<The value-form, whose fully developed shape is the money-form, is very elementary and simple. Nevertheless, the human mind has for more than 2,000 years sought in vain to get to the bottom of it all
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p1.htm
And that means value predates capitalism. Capitalism is like a pandemic, value is like the virus making the pandemic. The virus of value can persist through small circulation for centuries before capitalism breaks out.

>>2204547
>Value (as a social relation determined by abstract labor and expressed through generalized commodity exchange) did not exist prior to capitalism.
no point in responding if you are just going to ignore it to repeat the same wrong argument

>>2204547
>the product refers here to the farmer's product in different historical-economical contexts and certainly not one unit of some item.
right, so individual commodities are sold as part of total produce. we are not disagreeing. the point still stands however that general rates of profit must be determined by what is sold in particular, since the general rate is made up of individual sales. the general and particular include each other's concept. individual consumption comes from generalised production; i think we find agreement here.
>>2204563
who is wrong here? this is from your original post:
>For Marx, commodities are not transhistorical
>Before capitalism, societies had use-values, labor, and sporadic exchange, but not value in Marx’s sense.
>Marx explicitly rejects the notion that commodities are transhistorical.
yet you have been shown the error of your ways. have some humility.

>>2204568
You already demonstrated your capability to understand context and nuance >>2200829
pretending to be severely autistic is not going to work anymore you need to move on.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott
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<INDEP Talk - From Models to Modules: Rethinking Postcapitalist Political Economy
>This is a recording of our online Event with Sophie Elias Pinsonnault and Simon Tremblay-Pepin titled "From Models to Modules: Rethinking Postcapitalist Political Economy" , which was held on the 25th March 2025. Find a description of the event below:
>Debates on democratic economic planning have hitherto revolved mainly around coherent, abstract models. These all-in-one proposals compartmentalize discussions in technical jargon and hide the political and strategic debates that lie behind them. Sophie Elias Pinsonnault and Simon Tremblay-Pepin propose to bring the field to think about democratic planning through a modular approach. Conceiving post-capitalist proposals as assemblages of modules enables us to think about the plurality of possibilities and the different stages of transition.

also it seems the talk with Simon Hannah wasn't posted
<INDEP Talk with Simon Hannah on his new Book on Ecosocialism and Democratic Economic Planning
>This is a recording of our online event with Simon Hannah about his new book "Reclaiming the Future - A Beginner's Guide to Planning the Economy", which was held on the 6th March 2025. Find the description of the event below:
>In this talk Simon Hannah will give an overview of his recently published book “Reclaiming the Future. A Beginner’s Guide to Planning the Economy”. The book aims to introduce a general audience to the ideas of and necessity for ecosocialism and democratic economic planning for combatting the unfolding climate catastrophe. We will also discuss the role of introductory books like it in the literature ecosystem on democratic economic planning, which remains largely dominated by specialist academic research. What role do they play in popularizing these ideas among the wider public and the left? What challenges come with that and how can they be tackled effectively?

>>2202219
I'm largely in agreement with what Sophie and Simon are saying here. a lot of people in the planning space propose "grand designs" that cannot help but be utopian. we're better served by separate projects that focus on specific things. in other words: more 'tism

>>2162914
>>2166769
Here is a summary of the q-points (queue points) stuff. It addresses an issue you get with fixed prices in consumption points for consumer items. Mind you I haven't seen a compelling argument for using this instead of just using flexible prices.

>>2092828
If the consumption points & queue points were implemented, improvement rewards would have to be in queue points.

>>2188679
You think anything that doesn't apply to everyone is subjectivism?

>>2202219
>Sophie Elias Pinsonnault and Simon Tremblay-Pepin propose to bring the field to think about democratic planning through a modular approach.
I agree with them in their main point: Even though issues of compensation and item pricing are related and likewise with other issues like workplace democracy, they can be treated to some extent separately. They are demanding what >>1976000 already asked for. Academics limping behind the anon vanguard. (I actually remember the same demand being made on Revleft forums over a decade ago, even using the term modular.)

I found the distance-to-capitalism diagram for compensation (at around 46:00) dubious, showing contribution to output as the capitalist extreme and complete delinking as the opposite extreme. I mean, OK, this is how the capitalist world supposedly works according to capitalist ideology.

The slide right after that shows Quebec's score for effort-based compensation at literally zero percent?! If people get more for working extra hours at the same job it can't be exactly zero. If there is any element of output-based compensation and any positive correlation between effort and output, we have in effect an element of effort in compensation, whether explicitly stated in the compensation rules or not.



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Трясемся от грядущей мобки, охуеваем с пиздеца и ждем левого поворота пыни вместе.
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Если германцы это немцы, то русские это говорильцы?
Бамп, в общем.

>>2195662
>Если германцы это немцы, то русские это говорильцы?
да

так что ебало завали, русак

What will happen to Putin when the war stops?

>>2204107
>хрюююююююююю

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>>2204247
Nothing.



 

If Trump wants to turn a dump into a sparkling luxury resort town, instead of seizing Gaza why not do this with Detroit?

Simply move all 700k people out temporarily, get other cities like Chicago or Pittsburgh to take them in (or even better, ship them to Toronto and let the Canadians deal with them), demolish everything with the exception of downtown, and rebuild the whole thing from scratch. Make the new Detroit into the Monte Carlo of the Midwest. Think about it. Citizens could even demand human-centred European infrastructure which favours pedestrians and cyclists instead of cars and mixed-use buildings instead of waste-of-space single family homes.

Someone suggest this to Trump.
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>>2185895
It's alright, I lived there for a while. Much nicer than Detroit of course but still pretty industrial since it's a major hub of Canada's automotive industry. It's also about half the size and not nearly so rundown. The food is really good since there are a wide range of immigrant communities there, so you can get just about any kind of cuisine you can think of.

>>2185868
Maybe displacing vulnerable populations is wrong?

we have this thread every year

>>2185868
Detroiters would riot harder than they did in ‘67.

>>2185875
>>2185868
i HATE female models from upper and middle class families. female models would refuse to live in the ghettos of detroit..therefore we should FORCE EVERYONE to live in such similar conditions.
I actively hope the poorest possible poverty befalls all humanity and all wealth itself is annihilated, so pretty girls suffer what's it like to be a non-model male



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Prohibition only drives drunkenness behind doors and into dark places, and does not cure it or even diminish it.
-Mark Twain

𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊
Precursor thread (semi-satire):
https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/587891.html
Archives:
https://archive.ph/ILfmW
https://web.archive.org/web/20250207170434/https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/587891.html
𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊𓍊𓋼𓍊𓋼𓍊

The War on Drugs in the United States began in the early 1970s, officially declared by terrorist Richard Nixon in 1971. This initiative was a response to rising concerns about drug use, particularly among returning Vietnam veterans and within countercultural movements. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 laid the groundwork for this campaign, categorizing drugs into schedules based on their potential for abuse and medical utility. The primary goal was to curb drug use and trafficking through strict enforcement measures by punishment and by death.

One of the most significant consequences of the War on Drugs has been its impact on social alienation. The aggressive enforcement strategies employed have led to widespread criminalization of drug users, being used as a disguise to kill off small ethnic groups who did not want to experience yankee sobriety in the wage slave hell. This has resulted in millions being incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses, contributing to a system that prioritizes punishment and death over rehabilitation, care and scientific study. This has also greatly increased the power of pigs who enforce laws which can now kill and rape anyone by planting drugs and pigging out.

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>>2201763
Are you referring to weed again? Lumping all drugs into "stoners and weed"?

Is mephedron good or bad?


I hope they legalize amphetamines or at least coca/khat leaves

Retarded bulgarian WOD media outlets accidently released a tutorial on how to order drugs and gave a free advertisement to the dealers running the service (a year ago)
some comments from the video:
>Guys, I don't know if it makes an impression on you, but they have better customer service and more professionalism than all the big companies in Bulgaria 😂
>thanks for the tutorial, it works efficiently.
>Great ad! Well done! 😂



 

>Dr. Béla Király (14 April 1912 – 4 July 2009) was a Hungarian army officer before, during, and after World War II. After the war, he was sentenced to death under the Soviet-allied regime, but was later released. After his release, he commanded the National Guard in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. He then fled to the United States, where he became an academic historian. He returned to Hungary after the collapse of the Soviet Bloc and was elected a member of Hungarian Parliament.

The original anti-imperialists who were smeared as so-called "tankies" were correct. The commander of the US-backed insurgents in the violent 1956 counter-revolution attempt in socialist Hungary, General Bela Kiraly, was a CIA asset.

This has been confirmed by the JFK records. Tankies have officially been vindicated
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>>2193694
soviet bloc nostalgic boomers do not exist

>>2193555
>The four leaders who refused to sign Khrushchev's secret speech
It was a speech, not a petition, wtf is this about

>>2193304
Literal nothingburger

It only proves that an emigrant organization called "The Hungarian Freedom Fighters, Inc." was CIA sponsored, not that 1956 coup was CIA organized, lol.

Király emigrated to the USA AFTER the coup failed. Idk if Király was one of the founders of this organization, or if it existed prior to his emigration. But his 1960s ties to CIA aren't proof of CIA's people being behind the 1956 counterrevolution. I hope you understand that.

>>2193336
>The CIA also calls "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation" the MSZHSZ, one of the Communist mass org created post-45.
That's because their name "Magyar Szabadságharcos Szövetség" literally means "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Association", lol

>>2204025
Get with the times, we blame everything on USAID now.

>>2204060
Lost your job huh?



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