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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2442142
Pas dis que ça donne quoi ce soit, mais il faut plus que jeter un oeil, il faut se connecter avec les gens, il faut prendre les devants et diriger si personne d'autre ne peut ou ne veut, tu devrais savoir ça vu que t'as décidé d'adopter un pseudo

>>2444737
Oh oui je le sais, et c'est certain que plusieurs groupes vont s'organiser, ma ville est assez grande pour ça, juste que je n'ai jamais pris le temps de me renseigner a leur sujet, donc je veux dire que j'irai sûrement me joindre au cortége directement, ca peut aussi être une occasion pour enfin m'engager un peu plus activement

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Are they going to kill him?

>>2448052
Lol, stupid fucking mobile, didn’t mean to post the cats

GENERAL STRIKE, I HEAR?



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I will openly admit that I don't understand what this whole "treatlerite" discourse is all about. Is the central idea that consumerism is fascism? I don't get it don't all of us in western capitalism countries partake in consumerism? Are you saying I have to run off and live in the woods like a hermit in order not to be fash?
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>>2448782
Human fossil fuel usage doesn’t even come close to the carbon output of Siberia’s volcanos during the Great Dying, granted they continuously flowed for at least 200,000
years but still

Wez all gon die. Its ogre. Dont bother with camonism

>>2448785
Couldnt care less about fossil fuels when the world is on the brink of nuclear holocaust.

>>2439261
>>2439302
To be honest I don’t see Matt as a Sakaist; I think he’s referenced third worldism out of frustration.

I think him talking about the 18th Brumaire is far closer to his actual critique of organizing in the first world, and I’m inclined to mostly agree with the sentiment.

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>>2448410
the point this image is trying to make is just really an extension of a more general point: brutality is easier to commit when it's abstracted through a black box interface. Imperialism is the black box interface. In the Roman Empire the slave was an individual in your house and worked directly for you. In the NATO empire, the slaves are a collective very far away and don't work directly for you, but for you and everyone in the same socioeconomic position as you.

Milgram discovered this in the 1960s with an experiment where a subject was more willing to administer electric shocks to a victim (actor) if they weren't within sight. This is not merely a behavior of "treatlerites" in the imperial core, this is something that holds for people in general, it is something that has been verified a psychological aspect of humanity as a species. Yes the world is currently structured in a certain way that it's much much much easier to live in the core than in the periphery, and both anti-imperialists and world systems theorists have valuable contributions to this subject matter, but if the "tables were turned" and Africa or Latin America were the "imperial core" and Europe was the "periphery" would things really be any different? Probably not. The exploitation would be the same, only its arrow would have a different direction. Communists want to destroy the arrows of oppression, not merely decrease its sharpness or change its direction. Revanchists merely want to point the arrow in the opposite direction.



 

This post has audio if you're too lazy to read it

This was originally going to be a reply ITT >>2439192 but I decided to make it its own post

<it doesn't deserve to be that!


yeah well we have 20 dead /usapol/ threads in the catolog so who cares

If making above subsistence wage makes you "a petty bourgeois treatlerite" because it allows you to "accumulate savings after monthly expenses" which are "reserves that can be potentially converted into capital" then by that same logic any couple who has fewer than 2 children or any single person who has fewer than 1 child is "petty bourgeois" because the subsistence wage is the wage required, according to Marx, not just to keep yourself alive, but also your children, since capitalism requires the labor force to reproduce itself.

If a nation's population fails to reproduce itself Capital has to seek out labor from other nations by outsourcing or using immigrant labor. Something we see in the imperial core. If you're single and aren't bearing the expense of raising at least 1 adopted child, or if you're a couple, and you aren't bearing the expense of raising at least 2 children, then you aren't reproducing the labor force for capital, which means that even with a subsistence wage (which by definition, according to Marx himself, includes the cost of raising children to adulthood), you will have left over savings that can go towards "treats" (luxury commodities that aren't essential for survival like vidya games) or be used as money capital (i.e. invested as self-expanding value in an interest yielding savings account or 401k or some other petty bourgeois asset).

By this logic, many of the most puritanical Marxists on here (like Iron Felix) who rail against "treatlerites" and such are usually single men without children (the usual imageboard demographic) who, even if we believe them, and they are "immiserated wage workers earning a subsistence wage and unable to accumulate savings" they aren't actually reproducing themselves, which is one of the things Marx originally stated about the working class. This is because Marx himself had 7 children, half of whom died before adulthood, and he was writing during a time when contraception and birth control and sex edPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2441629
>it doesn't mean all the potential migrants from say Uganda will only go to PRC
you're right, but immigration coming from Uganda would stop completely, since they now face the same labor shortage issues the west has. This is the catalyst for a transformation away from capitalism and to a societal mode of production that can allows people to have kids again, and the first country that invests this system will dominate the world

>>2439868
>they are "immiserated wage workers earning a subsistence wage and unable to accumulate savings" they aren't actually reproducing themselves, which is one of the things Marx originally stated about the working class.

They are, though. "Reproduction of labor" relates to sleep and relaxation and restoration of a person's health, resting, etc being able to work again after a hard day. It's not related to children, lol

>>2442085
>They are, though. "Reproduction of labor" relates to sleep and relaxation and restoration of a person's health, resting, etc being able to work again after a hard day. It's not related to children, lol

Incorrect. Marx includes the reproduction of the worker by having children in his definition of subsistence in chapter 6 of capital volume 1

<The owner of labour-power is mortal. If then his appearance in the market is to be continuous, and the continuous conversion of money into capital assumes this, the seller of labour-power must perpetuate himself, “in the way that every living individual perpetuates himself, by procreation.”8 The labour-power withdrawn from the market by wear and tear and death, must be continually replaced by, at the very least, an equal amount of fresh labour-power. Hence the sum of the means of subsistence necessary for the production of labour-power must include the means necessary for the labourer’s substitutes, i.e., his children, in order that this race of peculiar commodity-owners may perpetuate its appearance in the market.

>>2442085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLlc_hAViY

8:00-9:52 is what you are talking about which is half of the big picture

but what OP says is also correct if you listen to 9:52-10:29 where Marx says precisely that subsistence wages must include the cost of raising children, otherwise the working class would not replace itself on the market.

>>2448589
in hindsight this citation should have been included in the OP to prevent this entire side discussion about whether reproduction of labor is merely about the daily "refreshment" of the worker through their wages paying for rest/food/water/shelter or whether the wages also include the actual cost of raising a child to adulthood. Marx states unambiguously that it includes both, since capitalism isn't a mode of production that just exists for one generation.



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EU’s “Chat Control” will be forced to scan every message, photo, and file before it is encrypted on WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, and other all other apps.
Politicians would be exempt. It is being sold as “child protection” but the EU’s own legal service warns that it violates fundamental rights. Once a backdoor into encryption exists, it is not just governments who can use it. Hackers, criminals, and hostile states can too.

Today (with real encryption): Message is locked on your phone. Not even WhatsApp, Signal, or Telegram (secret chat) can read it. Only the recipient can open it.
Under Chat Control: Your message is opened and scanned on your phone before encryption. If the scanning software believes it finds “prohibited” content, even by mistake, it is sent to the authorities.
Austria opposes the plan, but 19 EU countries already support it. If Germany joins them, the law could pass in October.

According to the campaign:
Mass surveillance: Every message, file, and image sent without suspicion would be automatically scanned.
Encryption undermined: End-to-end encryption would be weakened or broken, putting all communication at risk for everyone, not just criminals.
False positives: Innocent content such as jokes or holiday photos could be misidentified and trigger investigations.
Exemptions for politicians: Officials would be excluded under “professional secrecy” while normal citizens lose their privacy.
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Personally I thought they already did that. I guess things will just get worse.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ (useless activist site, still detailing the decision)
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>>2445205
The European bans are either the dissolution of the USSR or over a hundred years ago. Those bans were effectively anti-corruption policies, they simply had to form new communist parties

>>2438803
It makes revolutionary action harder. Surveillance by the bourgeois is going to benefit the bourgeois, simple as.

My question is, how on earth do they hope to implement and enforce this?

>>2446887
They can't. They hope for some miracle AI vapoware that doesn't exist to do all the scanning and are probably gonna spend billions on some scam AI business and be left with a barely funtioning bot that thinks your beach photos are CSAM. But it doesn't matter if the tech exists or not, the boomers in europol have been salivating for years to get access to everyones messages and now it looks loke they're finally gonna get it.

>>2442471
Both soft and hard power are being used to suppress communism, from the very top of the governments and companies everyone is anticommunist with all of society permeated with it. You do not see the forest for the trees, because anticommunism is simply normal to your eyes.



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2445379
>I know that third mf is lying cause all of Paris is filthy
Exactly where i caught him too. He's clearly never even set foot in paris.

>>2371455
Kill yourself, clittycel.

>NRM
>UNITA
>TPLF
>Laurent Kabila
Any other orgs in Africa that used to claim Maoism or Mao Zedong Thought only to go revisionist to fully right wing later? What causes this? Is it just pure opportunism plus Soviet sphere collapse?

>>2337591
on all levels except physical I am Joe Slovo
Brrr-pa
Reincarnation
Does this even need to be said? If you white (or any other color, really) and take issue with armed struggle, you have not understood the first thing about liberation.

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>>2447571
I know fuck all about Africa however
>Soviet sphere collapse
Seems to be where most of our issues come from, on a macro level.



 

When you're high you can literally touch the dialectic. I want to know how much influence altered states have had on philosophy and Marxism in general. A lot of Marxist philosophical concepts make more sense under the influence.
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>>2447070
we need a vanguard party that is funded by the illegal activity of selling psychedelics at music festivals. The old vanguard parties did bank robberies and shit but those are impossible to pull off. But anyone can sell LSD at a music festival. Psychedelics are not harmful or addictive and even more so than weed you can understand dialectical materialism while on LSD. We need acid Marxism funded by a psychedelic mafia. I've been convinced of this for ten years.

>>2447109
Only valid strategy if being communist is itself a crime and the party has to work underground anyway. Otherwise just raising money is better, it might not be glorious, but you don't give an excuse for police and media to attack you.

>>2447046
>3:55
>he saw two familiar symbols, a hammer and a sickle
that wasn't the symbol for communism until around the october revolution

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>>2448350
thank you for clarifying that the story about time travelling marx isnt accurate



 

We frequently talk about how eugenics is the ideological backbone of capitalism and how nearly every aspect of capitalism is rooted in eugenics. This happens even in capitalist countries with “universal” healthcare such as Canada, where a hospital recently killed a baby girl by denying her a much-needed liver transplant. Why? Because she had Down Syndrome.

>Krystal Vanderbrugghen gave birth to her daughter, Veya, in December of 2023. She was born with Down syndrome and a congenital heart defect (CHD). Though Veya was able to have a successful heart repair, she then began experiencing complications with her liver.


>In an interview with Live Action News, Vanderbrugghen said Veya is a medically complex child, but her liver has been an ongoing problem, which took nearly a year to diagnose.


>As the hospital attempted treatment with multiple procedures last year, Veya then contracted Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) — which is mild in adults, but can be life-threatening for infants, the elderly, or people with compromised immune systems. “That really knocked her down,” Vanderbrugghen said.


But then, this year, something even more frightening occurred.

>“… [T]he more alarming thing that happened was she was overdosed on January 6th of this year with potassium… 10 times the amount of what she normally receives,” Vanderbrugghen told Live Action News. “… [S]he usually gets two doses of potassium in a day. Each are drawn up as 1.5 milliliters. And on that day, she got two syringes filled with 15 milliliters of potassium. So that sent her heart rate to 350 beats per minute, and they had to use cardioversion shocks on her three times to stabilize her.”


>Initially, Vanderbrugghen assumed it was an honest mistake. But due to subsequent events, she’s now questioning if it was truly an accident.


>Just two weeks after this terrifying incident in January, the family met with Veya’s team of doctors treating her liver condition. “… [E]verything we’ve done so far has not been successful,” said Vanderbrugghen. “And that’s when we learned that she was denied a transplant, which left us questioning a lot of things.”

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>>2428315
Have you ever suffered from deliberating chronic illness?
>Heaven
Has nothing to do with whether a life is worth living. If you lack freedom, dignity and anything that makes getting up in the morning worthwhile, it's better to be dead.

>>2446861
It’s all virtue signaling for them.

Eugenics is inevitable, even under communism. When the technology to make your progeny a 6'6" gogachad with high intelligence, or a supermodel beauty with perfect proportions is cheaply available, evryone will use it. Even under full communism people will use it. Stop trying to fight the inevitable

>>2447943
Correct, and under communism this type of build-a-baby will be free and universal for anyone to use.

The people who are trying to hold back said technology from existing are really no better than reactionaries.

>>2448308
fixing serious medical issues and customizing your baby isnt the same thing



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All religious and spiritual art is communist because communism made it. All religious texts are fictional works by communists in the end of each text it says - This is all fake, be communist, read Marx, this is just for fun! and all temples are communist and all religious figures are actors for communist entertainment and didn't mean anything they did and all historical events and epic things attributed to religion are communist but happened just for fun and shouldn't happen again.

Think about it. We made all the great things because its art and not because its true, the truth is material reality. Also anything related to "God" is nothing. it means nothing, it is just stuff for fun but it should be ignored, just admired for aesthetics which ultimately are only fun for communists and can be destroyed for fun by communists and should not be taken seriously. If someone brings it up say "I created it" because you are communist.

Example:
"We have to pray for X"
Say I invented prayer. Prayer means nothing because I invented it and its boring now.
"Have you read the bible?"
Say I invented the bible, its just for fun, thank me later.
"Merhaba"
Say I invented Arabic, Islam and Mohammad and Allah I invented your people and language.
"Jewish culture"
I invented it, I invented jewish and culture. I invented jewish people and it was just for fun, you're not serious I made you just for fun.
"I just wanted to remind everyone who believes in Jesus to repent, have faith in him and what he did for us, and give your life to him"
Say I invented belief, believing, I invented Jesus, I invented repenting, I invented faith, I invented what he did and it was done just for fun, I invented life too and I just made it for fun, this is boring, you are boring.
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>>2448272
In a few days I will demonstrate what I mean with this post if anyone hasn't understood what its about. I will demonstrate in any arguments to come.

Damn that's crazy

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Basically we made this and that and all of the pictures and the stuff in the pictures - workers made it for fun because it looks pretty not because it means something its just for fun. Its communist. We made all kinds of things.



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Doesnt the success of china show that a mixture of bukharin and stalins ideas work. And that both bukharin and stalin were right and wrong. And that we should take from the good of bukharin and stalin while discarding the bad?
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>>2442114
>Doesnt the success of china show that a mixture of bukharin and stalins ideas work.
Not really. Stalin represented forced slavery industrialization while Bukharin was more of a continuation of Lenins NEP.

>>2443338
China adopted stalins political ideas. China adopted bukharin economic ideas. Simple as

>>2443323
You should inform China of that then. Not even the CPC claims this.

>>2443319
>The divide between Stalin and Bukharin wasn't some petty squabble that just needed to be talked out, it was a political and class struggle.
wdym? which class was bukharin representing? the nepmen? the wealthier peasants?

bump



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Recently I got thinking how market can be a bad form of resource allocation, somehow I think market aren't complete fair and square, something isn't right about how markets are, I think market socialism is kind of wrong in sense, what's the anon opinion on markets in general? Do you think is a good way to allocate resources or not? What's the alternative to markets?
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Bump

The Marxist "no production for exchange under socialism" vs. the reformist "markets existed before capitalism, they'll exist after", who will win?

The reformist of course. Every time.

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>>2448081
>acting as if socialism is inevitable after capitalism

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>>2448175
land being retarded doesnt mean you are any less retarded for posting this shit broski >>2448081



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