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With Trumps tariffs being in the news these last few months, I've been asking myself: are there any benefits of Economic Protectionism? Libs tell us that they're nearly always bad, but is it true? Or does protectionism bring benefits economically?
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>>2294358
>I see the West moving back to a dirigisme/Keynesian/neo-Mercantilist type model now that China's rise has them butthurt and they're backpedaling on free trade.
Post like these have always rubbed me the wrong way, and I think I know why; they talk about things in terms of nations, rather than class. I don't care if country a triumphs over country b. I care about socialism.

>>2294358

Indeed, historically the socialist country's response was a dialectical negation of both: The state monopoly on foreign trade.

Foreign trade was neither protected nor left to its own devices, but instead carefully managed according the needs of the current plan.

>>2294380
OP asked about Trump. that was the context of the conversation. it's not ignoring class struggle to answer a question someone has about the direction a specific country is going. US is leader of the western imperialist block of nations. NATO.

>>2294380
Read Vo Nguyen Giap of Viet Nam:

>It was at a time when capitalism was passing into the stage of imperialism that Lenin set forth his famous new thesis that socialism cannot be simultaneously successful in all countries but it will first succeed in one or a certain number of countries. At the same time, with the new theory on the leadership of the proletariat in the bourgeois democratic revolution and the transition from this revolution to the proletarian revolution, Lenin and the Russian Bolshevik Party worked out the military programme of the bourgeois democratic revolution and the socialist revolution in Russia. Lenin underlined the necessity of building up the military organization of the proletariat in the new historical conditions:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/giap/works/1975/to-arm-the-revolutionary-masses/ch01.htm

So it is not irrelevant to talk about the policies of individual nations. Marxists are historical materialists. Marxists watch closely both the pre-revolutionary and post-revolutionary countries for signs of change. You have to examine every variable from multiple standpoints, and not just look at it as an isolated category, but as a thing in flux with other things.

>>2294063
Protectionism can be good and there would be a degree of it under any Socialist government. However, Trump's tariffs are the absolute most fucktarded way to do it



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>SYDNEY — Australia’s center-left government convincingly won reelection Saturday in a remarkable turnaround driven partly by anger over President Donald Trump’s disruptive trade war and its effect on the close U.S. military ally.
<Anthony Albanese became the first Australian prime minister to win a second term in more than two decades as his Labor Party dramatically increased its parliamentary majority. It marked a stunning comeback for the progressive leader, who trailed in the polls two months ago.
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>In Victoria, three sources said membership numbers were between 9,000 and 10,000 […]

>A former member of the Victorian Liberal executive said the division had about 15,000 members close to 20 years ago. The party has since shed members, according to the source, and the average age of those who remain has climbed to 68.


>“One of the biggest expenses we used to have [at our local branch] was on funeral wreaths,” they said. “We’d be down at the florist every week handing over $70.”

lmao


>>2252784
Except the tiny detail that Israel has a deep social-democratic tradition and is more socialist than Palestine ever can hope to be. Oh wait are you confusing the current culture war bullshit for actual politics again?

>>2290077
that sounds like a line ripped verbatim out of a satire piece, holy shit man

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Is this the Australia general now?



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>>2249662
late, sir

>Alberta Wildfires Shut About 7% of Canada’s Oil Production
you ok up there, canucks?

>>2294585
In the war on nature, remember you're on the side of nature. Critical support to the wildfires.

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If Mulroney had the worst approval ratings why tf didn't anyone try and reverse his decisions. I'm specifically talking about the CHMC and how it's basically nonexistent now. Did nobody bother to refund housing or did he make it impossible for future Prime Ministers to do anything about it?

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>>2294585
>>2294681
I was smoking in a Canadian Tire bathroom and talking to Sandy McTire and he told me that the "wildfires" are really an operation by Space Force and the Galactic Federation to blow up the D.U.M.B.s holding captive children brought over by MS-13, Antifa and Hamas to harvest for adrenochrome. Truedoe has been executed. Light has won. Trump is in control. Canada is already the 51st state.



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How were sakaists wrong? Where do you even start with the reeducation of the white proletariat if a revolution succeeded right now, the internet is dominated by think tanks that push the white genocide myth, there were like 5 mass shooting cases the past couple of months where chuddies killed their classmates, insulting a black kid nets you $1 million bucks and its gonna get worse from here on out.

You can deny idpol all you want, but when brown people fear for their lives then they will react and defend themselves, and some anti-idpol leftist isn't converting those people over to their side with constant fence sitting when white people fantasize about a world wide genocide.

Or will the western left continue to huff their farts, while the fascist machine sends some more people to el salvador and bombs more palestinian children?
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>>2293035
I am from the global south and I am not the so-called "white", so your discourse will not work on me to manipulate some sense of guilt. You want to use this discourse of identity guilt to co-opt the workers of the imperialist core to serve imperialist capitalism by manipulating the feeling of pity of the minorities because they can no longer serve the bourgeoisie and be assimilated by neoliberal imperialist capitalism instead of them accepting that the bourgeois class and its agents and apologists are the enemies of the working class and that the only salvation lies in the organization for the domination of the proletariat in a workers' party independent of the bourgeoisie.

Let's see what Marx and Engels say about the participation of communists in a bourgeois election:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.


<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels , "Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League"


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, t
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>>2293724
Yellow Yank.

>J. Sakai, the book's pseudonymous author, was born to Japanese immigrants and worked in the US auto industry.[1] Sakai was radicalized through the internment of Japanese Americans, radical factions of the American labor movement,[2] and his involvement with the Black freedom struggle as it evolved from the civil rights movement to the Black liberation movement.[3] Sakai and his book are tied to the history of Chicago-based Black nationalism in the late 20th century, serving as a key influence within political discourse among imprisoned Black Liberation Army (BLA) members.[4]

Never read up on what Marx wrote about immigrant labour in England in comparison on what he wrote about the English working class.

People would call him a Sakaist if he was alive today.

>>2290096
When you're 5 layers into racia- communist purity and you see a bourgeousie revolution against a feudal system in the third world :crying baby gif:

I was devastated when I read up on John Brown massacring slavers. First of all, why didn't he start a communist revolution, then he was very religious, and last but not least he only killed White slavers. He must've been a proto-Sakaist. Why do people deny that White and Black people don't have the same opportunity to become slavers? A slaver can be any color, just look at the Barbary trade!
-signed, the Western left



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>They're cracking down on Nobodies
>They're killing Nobodies
>The war in Who Cares
>Years of lead again Nowhere
>The killing of A Nobody
>Protests (Read Activism by Amadeo Bordiga)
>They're burning Whatever
>Multiple Assassination Attempts on Whoever (as if the capitalist mode of production relies on one person)
Etc.
None of this shit matters, nothing real is happening for real. None of this shit even slightly matters. We're all gonna die the same way we lived. The real movement knows what nobody else does, its that we live in a period where shit happens but doesn't matter.
Its not a turning point of the century, the communists are too few and between, the pseuds are out there making a scare but all the real ones know that this shit doesn't matter. The US is still standing, China isn't bending and Russia's the same as before. More genocides and more draconian laws but nothing will come to a pause, because the people out there are too stupid to care and have lacked class consciousness since ages ago.
Nothing really matters and nothing is happening. If something had happened we'd all be right there and be able to go nowhere because the real movement is against the present state of affairs.
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>>2294841
The year is 2302 and the People's Front of Judea is receiving critical support from Yinzaoists (the great great great great descendants of Gonzalo) in their fight against the NuoIslamic Kefellists (the great great great great great descendants of kemailists and palestinian nationalists) because they figured out that expunging all the jews to combat zionism was a bit too harsh, but its definitely not the religion since the new reformed judaism is built on prolonged people's struggle for begger-programmer rights instead of settler colonialism.

Stalin porteted Israel in 1944 to democratic centralism? Wo cares ultrzras reshist, theose are nedated isolates. KAREKKKITKAL SUEOAOAAAAAAA TOTHE PFJ¡⸘ ¡⸘

>>2294866
>People's Front of Judea
I thought we were the Popular Front?

Things only happen when you make them happen anon. Do not wait to strike until the iron is hot, but make it hot by striking

>>2294875
Yes it so happens that the jews about to be expelled from Israel will be back in a few hundred years carrying the exact same name from the comedy skit in Monty Python believe it or not. And all the descendants of Maoists, MLs (Stalinists) and even some anarchists will be giving them the support as the historically progressive faction against a continuation of islam due to some retarded liberation theology offshoot. Just remember that a picture of a dog called DOGE ended up becoming a crypto shitcoin and a US department and this will not seem ridiculous at all. All of you rallying behind national liberation, religion, culture, nationalism, tradition, identity politics, lesser evils and all other types of liberalism will have your stance switched the moment the deeds have been done. And the ultras vvill remain unchanged, waiting for the right moment to do nothing until the moment is historically favorable to get up.

>>2294866
That guy on the flag will be a mix of like a hundred offshoots of Maoism and AES ideologies.



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Why don't you put your money where your mouth is?
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Think of this as wallstreetbets for the left wing of capital. Or just regular wallstreetbets on leftypol if you believe they're the successors to occupy wall street.

Poverty is not socialism. To be rich is glorious. -Deng Xiaoping

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https://www.aljazeera.com/
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>>2291548
Stop fudding, AOC endorsement will come through.

ZOHRAN JUST SECURED THE UAW ENDORSEMENT, GO LONG NOW

>>2291395
This thread is gonna be deader than a dead horse

>>2294000
I'm giving it a week.

>>2293992
how did i imply those things? genuinely. I'm pretty sure i don't believe those things



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The presidential elections in Poland are coming soon, which means that it's time for me to bitch about this place (or more exactly the people that reside in it, which science still has not fully been able to describe the behaviorism of) again.

Of course, the Poles, being a classified reaKKKtionary group will cast their votes for the candidate that they (wrongly) believe is the right one, and while most likely the uninspired liberal Trzaskowski will win, this election also sees (so far) a rise in the popularity of a right wing agent of Satan candidate Mentzen (his name is German - that already is an ill omen)

I guess people deciding to caste their vote for the KKKlandidate from KKKonfederacja is bad enough, but currently he has 3rd place in most polls (which are a shit source of info, at least in Poland, but his supporters are loud at least). Like his memes say, he might actually have a higher chance of beating PO's Trzaskowski if he gets to the 2nd turn (which he likely won't). Of course the postulates are the same old rightoid spiel - low taxes, privatize stuff, shit that would never help any common prole (which is funny because common cis male proles are his biggest electorates, followed by teenagers and young adults with delusions of grandeur and entrepreneurial success)

In true Polish fashion there is no real good candidate, maybe Razem's Zandberg who actually has leftist postulates, criticized Israel (uncommon among Polish politics even though the population is like 80% anti-Israel at least), ran the pre-www Polish section of the Marxist Internet Archive as a teenager. But then, Razem is a socdem party through and through - unless Zandberg somehow gets elected and randomly brings back the Polish People's Republic.
His biggest supporters are actually among academic young adults, most of studentoid friends of mine actually vote for him.

Sometimes I wonder what CIA programming Poles went through to just go "jezu komunis" at any leftist postulate and causes them to react towards nazism (speaking of - plenty more nazi stickers around my place recently, being Polish and a nazi has to be a new suicide cult)

tl;dr the Poles have had it too good for long enough.
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>>2293662
>stop the press!
is being wanted for criminal prosecution in Russia a common thing for polish politicians because if so thats hilarious

>>2293636
Belorrussians got access to the juche Ancient divination bones

>>2294009
From what I’ve read a lot of leftists voted tactically for the center-right candidate, so that explains it a little. Still wtf

>>2294282

If only juche necromancy was advanced enough to wake up our Respected Vladimir Ilych.

>>2294288
It's not as simple, 60% of poles (100% of 50+ old folks) are caught in the hate spiral between christian solidarist right wing (marching towards maga-style conservatism), and neoliberal center right (ex-liberal on social issues). The christian solidarist right (last 10 years) was taking a role of what socdem parties (rabid polish anticommunism made that impossible) do in normal countries, high employement keynesian policy but fucked up post-covid.
Third place (15%, 40% of young people) is a tiktok candidate, a thatcherite "lets crash this mess but also fuck immigrants and poor leeches" so both major players were both trying to capture this group of voters. Which also lets the hoppian neofash candidate (6%) (the menora+fire estingusiher guy) gain ground because why vote for the cheap imitation where the real guy is on the ballot.

When it comes to the left in Poland. it's completely fucked in the head. SLD (left) was ruling 25 years ago (neoliberalism was hip back then) but atrophied to ~5% support, the other fraction of leftist thought in poland is an alt-left socdems, that also got ~5% of support (30% of young people).
As a sidenote there also is a dead-center (faux-christian, made in a thinktank) centrist party that collapsed from 15% support in the parlimentary to 5%, they were 5th before the two leftists, there also were few 1-2% jokesters (record number of candidates).
The presidential election has a runoff system so the two hates spiral parties got to the runoff and the the electorates of other people split. But president here is mostly a socialite with veto power so it's a great spectacle but not that significant.



 

>>2292002
Ye asked, and ye shall recieve
Talk about why you guys hate modern "east european (outside of russian and ukrainian)" politics and society or stuff to that effect
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>>2292678
Baltoids are cool
They’re just a bit stupid and easily manipulated by the filthy Germans
But they have good hearts

>>2293532
At this point, I am really convinced that modern Baltoids (at least Estonians certainly) are the descendants of Germanic colonisers wearing the skin suit of the language and culture of the indigenous people they had genocided. That's the only explanation for their observed behavior that I have.

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>>2293539
Influenced by the isolation between the West and the USSR, Yugoslavia started to import Mexican culture, that deeply affected Yugoslavia to the point they created the Yug-Mex culture. Mariachis with Yugoslavic names? there you go!

>That moment when you don't just hate East Euros/Baltoids but a possess burning desire to see that entire fascist nazi peninsula pretending to be a continent subject to an atomic curbstomp.
TOTAL EUROID NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION NOW!

>>2294465

Based.



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As a Serb, I am sick and tired of explaining to Westerners that no, Croats and Bosniaks and Kosovar Albanians were not the "good guys" of the 90s wars.

But also as a Serb, I am sick and tired of the perpetual reactionary victimhood and chauvinism of Serbs regarding the wars.

No, as a communist I say FUCK NATO, but also it's a bit like being German and complaining about the Allied bombing of Germany in WW2. Nobody gives a shit. I guess people give a shit about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I'd argue that's thanks to Japan's cultural capital being greater than the knowledge of Westerners regarding what Imperial Japan did.

Anyway, nobody was fighting to save Tito's socialism (the revisionists/opportunists already took over by that point, some of the younger ones still in politics today), nor was anybody fighting to preserve Yugoslavia. It was a chain of reactionary wars start to finish. And it could have been prevented. People died for what? Nothing.
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>>2290270
What is your class background?

>>2290270
The moderators of this site must be gluttons for fucking punishment because all they have to do is ban people from using Tor and posting on the website like 99% of the fucking population doesn't use Tor. All the Tor posters post shit like this. There's been multiple people throughout the last year or so who have been like, I would really prefer that we just ban these fucking people from posting here, and yet having people talk about the Holocaust being fake and black people being feral is more important to the moderators of this site than forging a strong community. And it doesn't go unnoticed. It really fucking doesn't.

>>2290239
>complacent
Sorry I meant *complicit

>>2290339
I don't even know what he was on about

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/05/27/diana-johnstone-serbias-organized-chaos/

>But according to the secessionists, their sole motivation was to escape from “Serbian nationalism.”  A great champion of this interpretation was the late Otto von Habsburg, an influential member of the European Parliament. As heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, dismantled as a result of World War I, he naturally held a personal grudge against Serbia.


There are no good aristocrats. Execute all Habsburgs.



 

The Frankfurt School refracted Gramsci’s materialist theory of hegemony through the lens of Freudian psychoanalysis, Weberian cultural pessimism, and idealism, effectively mutating it into a bourgeois theory of subjectivity rather than a tool of working class revolution.

Hegemony is not just cultural dominance or consent, it’s the means by which the ruling class stabilizes its rule through a combination of coercion and consent. It is rooted in material social relations, especially those between the base (economy) and the superstructure (institutions, ideology, culture). Gramsci believed organic intellectuals of the proletariat could construct a counterhegemonic bloc, capable of transforming the state and society. Regardless of your stance on this view (I personally don't even like Gramsci), instead of building on Gramsci’s materialist framework, thinkers like Adorno, Horkheimer, and later Marcuse, recentered hegemony around mass psychology and alienation (drawing heavily from Freud rather than Marx), framed culture as a site of despair rather than a terrain of struggle (see shit like "The Culture Industry"), treated the working class as passive consumers of ideology rather than active agents, moved the critique from economic structures to academic shit like "rationality," "instrumentality," and "false needs". This flattened hegemony into a totalizing force of domination, where resistance is nearly impossible and mass culture is always regressive.

The Frankfurt School’s pessimistic, psychoanalytically-infused marxism domesticated Gramsci, turning a strategic theory of proletarian advance into a fatalistic theory of cultural rot. This led to even further academic detachment from revolutionary politics, moralist critiques of culture (music, film, advertising) with little class analysis and the foundation for much of radlibbery which fixates on subjectivity, identity, language, and desire while neglecting the material mode of production. In effect, it helped divorce marxism from its historical and class-based roots.
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>>2293365
>He’s a lens for understanding why capital lets you tell stories about rebellion, etc in the first place, and how that defuses actual revolt.
More importantly he describes the processes by which the ruling class establishes the material basis for their cultural supremacy so that real revolts don't occur.

séx with the uyghurs

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so many posts on here regularly complaining about how they hate frankfurt school and philosophy and cultural critique etc etc okay, okay, whatever. why not talk about what you do find useful or interesting? talk about your organizing successes or failures?

Something something German socialists writing under the text of others



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