[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM / ufo / 420 ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internet about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)
What is 6 - 2?
Check out our new store at shop.leftypol.org!
| Catalog | Home
|

File: 1780732905549.png (848 KB, 1024x682, ClipboardImage.png)

 

Biking feels a little communist when you notice how it depends on shared public space and collective infrastructure, but honestly I just like not spending money on gas and parking. Should the cities of the future plan only for bikes and pedestrians (and other forms of electric micromobility for those who need it) and spacious trains to carry your bike as you go from city in city in 20 mins instead of 4+ hours as it is now?

Thoughts?
15 posts and 2 image replies omitted.

>>2832717
Naive baboon

>>2832719
Fentanyl and school shooters are more anti imperialist than the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq combined

File: 1780767204825.jpg (2.23 MB, 1920x1280, bierbike4.jpg)

>>2832585
"Damn, Nietzsche, save some takes for the rest of us."

cyclists are subhuman

Yeah, that's called city design.


File: 1777680163715-0.png (182.92 KB, 580x731, what is your opinion_.png)

File: 1777680163715-1.jpg (87.54 KB, 1192x670, communization_theory_flag_….jpg)

 

Talk about anything relating to Communization Theory, whether its praise for it or a critique. Here are some sources about Communization for those who are unaware of what they defend:

https://www.sicjournal.org/what-is-communisation/
https://www.sicjournal.org/the-suspended-step-of-communisation/index.html
https://www.sicjournal.org/communist-measures-2/index.html
https://www.sicjournal.org/issues/index.html
https://files.libcom.org/files/Communization-and-its-Discontents-Contestation-Critique-and-Contemporary-Struggles.pdf
https://files.libcom.org/files/Endnotes%201.pdf
https://archive.org/details/InvisibleCommitteeTheComingInsurrection
https://asounder.org/resources/tiqqun_program.pdf
https://illwill.com/theory-of-the-party

[NOTE: Not every Communizer believes in the same things, e.g. some emphasis class struggle while others don't]
106 posts and 19 image replies omitted.

>>2821481
That perfectly describes my current situation with this book lol. It does have some good points and arguments but, like I said before, its too vague. At least, if I am ultimately not satisfied with the book, I'll know that Tiqqun and its affiliates are shit theorists.

>>2822941
The question is, which ICP does the road lead to?

yo thanks for recommending proles.info , clicked out of curiosity but im really enjoying their writing. does this mean im a communizer now.

>>2824883
Depends on whether you'd define yourself as one. I would like to ask, what does prole.info defend? What aspects of their theory did you like as I myself have never read them before.

bump

Shit theory thread 💩
Weak knees nerd thread 🤓


File: 1780425149374.jpg (268.98 KB, 1759x1055, 97b7af7ea2196f54b5cb633f28….jpg)

 

Is Murray Bookchin and Communalism worth getting into? Are there any Communalist currents today beyond Rojava? Could there be a commonality between Bookchin and Juche?
85 posts and 8 image replies omitted.

>>2832017
I think tomatoes are a jewish plot to destroy the white race

Now, does my position on tomatoes make you more or less trusting of me?

Bookchin is a pseud tier retard that was glad societ kids died remember.

Bookchin is Mamdanite-Rojavite garbage. It is fanfic for the lust of left-imperialists.

>>2832611
Marx supported manifest destiny. I don't think that invalidates everything he said.

>>2832721
Manifest destinybwas correct and revolutionary


File: 1780597022202.jpg (837.28 KB, 1076x1436, Leon Trotsky, 1924.jpg)

 

Without resorting to vitriolic name-calling and unproven conspiracies and 70+ y/o propaganda, Explain why picrel and his thought is le bad?

Just want honest, productive discussion
65 posts and 6 image replies omitted.

>>2832672
I accept your concession. Now never needlessly criticize the Soviet Union ever again!

>>2832664
>Achievements of trotskysim
Its never been tried

Trotsky was the first neoliberal in history

>>2832693
That would be Stalin and the partition of Palestine

>>2832696
Ollahooakbaring retard


File: 1779542176769.mp4 (5.83 MB, 720x720, 179863331.mp4)

 

Previous: >>2808617

Enlightened ways of cucktin edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
599 posts and 133 image replies omitted.

>>2831415
That position is correct. Marxism in the 21st century is either un anti-americanisme primaire or nothing at all

File: 1780768669682.png (61.9 KB, 900x1283, ukr meme visited by the pr….png)

>>2831963
a guy who's dead, a guy who barely made it into politics, a guy who only western retort, in a country where nazism has only been influenced by the west, and its intelligence countries.
find better material.

>>2831938
"I'm totally a leftist, but Hitler didn't go far enough!!"

File: 1780789028972.jpg (706.95 KB, 1079x1075, Untitled.jpg)

>>2820742

File: 1780868857518.png (253.81 KB, 1620x1080, get_along.png)

NEW
>>2833715
>>2833715
>>2833715
NEW


File: 1778671781846.jpg (60.05 KB, 600x453, 1610744256132.jpg)

 

We know workers dislike domination. And contra Lyotard, they also dislike exploitation. But might a significant number of workers actually enjoy being estranged from the objects of their labor? Or at least, might they be indifferent enough to not see alienation as a problem?

Consider that as an alienated worker, I am encouraged to be utterly unconcerned with labor conditions outside of my own workplace. Or the quantity and quality of production of commodities that I do not consume. Those are the concerns of management and the bourgeoisie. My alienation provides a perverse degree of "freedom" from society, to focus only on my individual consumption and not the conditions of my fellow workers.

Whereas in a communist society of free and equal producers, I am supposed to have an interest the labor conditions in all workplaces in a society, as each directly affects the amount of social product available for consumption. The degree of political control needed to make that happen equitably seems extremely time-consuming and limiting, and I imagine a lot of workers would be turned off by it.

Perhaps that is why most 'socialist' experiments have never really addressed alienation, and why most workers seem completely resigned to the hyper-alienated existence mediated by apps and nation-states despite everyone allegedly agreeing on how horrible it is.
31 posts and 4 image replies omitted.

Not exactly, but I enjoy the complex schema my psychology constructs to cope with it. It's a refined sort of taste

>>2832645
Alienation is also a legal term. The labourer is objectively alienated from the products of his labor and therefore deciding on their fate, because he's hired for his labour power and paid the market price for it in legal separation from the means by which he produces. The subjective effects of this separation are conditional in their historically determined manifestations, but they are nonetheless significant to Marx's later work. In the first volume of Capital, this is understood to be the basis of the working class' intellectual and physical immiseration as "an appendage of the machine" from Chapter 6 onwards. This is how I understand it in relation to the species-being, in the sense of man's creativity as harnessed for production guided by the self-destructive capitalist drive to valorize dead labour as opposed to production for the sake of usefulness based on human reasoning. David Harvey has a good video going over alienation in case my rambling doesn't elucidate it

If you do particularly dull work, you can think about other stuff while doing it. If the work process is rearranged by psychology experts to make it more engaging and empowering and blahblahblah, this can make your quality of life worse.

Amerikans enjoy the aliénation of workers

Most people are goycattle slaves and as long as they have Netflix and food they don't care about anything, we will never see a socialist revolution in our lifetimes


File: 1780370510036.jpeg (106.69 KB, 800x843, IMG_0532.jpeg)

 

I think given what Lincoln was faced with he made by far the most moral decisions, but even what he did was just a bandaid for real change that was made excruciatingly slowly from 1868 on.
43 posts and 5 image replies omitted.

>>2832437
only nominally

File: 1780707591299.mp4 (1.32 MB, 854x480, jfk_reform_peaceful_revolu….mp4)

>>2832436
JFK said the quiet part out loud

>>2832437
Bullshit they wanted the confederacy to win, Prussia and Russia were both firmly with the Union.

File: 1780750823145.jpg (42.38 KB, 783x404, based nazi FDR.jpg)

This is how ultras talk about FDR

>>2832437
Not really.

>>2832457
I don't think they ever actually wanted/expected the confederacy to win but they were happy to make money from them and hoped the war would damage America and make cheaper goods available. However once the Lincoln proclamation happened they had to come down on the side of the Union and stop selling to the confederacy.


File: 1779925619573.gif (187.85 KB, 200x96, IMG_1341.gif)

 

50% truth combined with 50% untruth equals 100% annihilation of reality.

every point on the line between "the world is round" and "the world is flat" is just as absurd and stupid as "the world is flat".

there can never be any convenient model or algorithm or formula for knowing the truth of the world without the application of thought. there are no substitutes for thought.

any time we rely on shortcuts, some kind of simplified universal model, to understand reality instead of conscious thought, rigorous disciplined mental effort, we are practicing religion. god is religion, teleology is religion, dialectics is religion, LLMs are religion.

marx believed that religion is the opiate of the uneducated commoners and that religion only comes from traditional churches and priests, but religion can take infinite possible forms and anyone can fall victim to the allure of a simple answer.
29 posts and 5 image replies omitted.

>>2827672
>Darwin did not derive natural selection through a formal logical proof in the mathematical sense. Instead, he worked dialectically in a broad sense: he examined tensions and interactions between opposing tendencies in nature.

that's not how darwin developed the theory of evolution. he developed it by leaving his house and travelling all over the world on ships and observing lots of wild animals and fossilized skeletal remains in different regions and talking to farmers and asking them questions about their selective breeding practices for plants and animals, writing things down in his journals and gathering lots of information, i.e. a lot of hard work. he didn't do it by sitting on his ass in a cozy armchair philosophizing and bloviating with other intellectual windbags. science is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

dialectics is correct in its first assertion, that reality emerges from the interplay of two fundamental forces, but that assertion was made thousands of years ago by eastern philosophers and is nothing new or revolutionary. where dialectics goes wrong is its following assertion that by understanding the duality we can understand the totality, that there could ever be some kind of synthesis achieved between the two fundamental forces. there can be no novel synthesis, the synthesis was where it all began, long ago, before the One split into two and created the universe. the synthesis vanished the moment our world came into being and it is gone forever.

File: 1780650930748-0.png (730.45 KB, 1000x672, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1780650930748-1.png (36.17 KB, 777x155, Marx qualifies religion.png)

Step 1.
<The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
<Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
>AI Overview In the late 19th century, opium usage was widespread and socially normalized across the Western world and Asia. It was primarily consumed as an accessible, over-the-counter medicine, though the period marked a cultural shift as governments began to recognize its addictive dangers and impose the first strict regulations
<The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
It's almost like truly understanding and contextualizing these authors requires engaging with questions that were taken for granted then.

Step 2. In Order
>Hegel, Encyclopedia Logic, §§107–111 (Measure).
>Engels, Anti‑Dühring, chapters on quantity–quality.
>Engels, Dialectics of Nature, “Basic Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2830123
When you use grok to digest difficult posts you don't have to re-share that back here champ.

>>2825086
>This is PRECISELY what Hegel says
yeah same i was fuckin lolin @ op


File: 1780378189735.jpg (223.73 KB, 450x646, LeoStrauss.jpg)

 

Can we get a Neocon breadpill thread going?

What exactly was Neoconservatism and how exactly did it originate? Was it the philosophy of Leo Strauss? Was it former Trotskyists like Irving Kristol? If so, why did these ex-Trots flip and become right-wingers? Politically, it started in America with the Reagan presidency, so what exactly were Reagan's political influences? Also, given that its biggest proponents were Jews, did it have any Talmudic or Kabbalistic element to it?

Basically, sum up whatever Neoconservatism is. Also, Straussian Neocons formed coalitions with the Religious Right and free market neoliberals despite all three groups having contradictory ideologies. Why?
47 posts and 6 image replies omitted.

>>2832315
You know if you were an actual Muslim you wouldn't slander Jesus like this, he's literally considered a prophet of Islam

>>2832301
What's Thomism?

OY VEY Israel first good goy

File: 1780732495414.jpg (42.01 KB, 815x675, migabeaucoup.jpg)

>>2832556

>>2829519
I mean, of course a daughter is going to defend her father?


File: 1777143881724-0.jpeg (37.32 KB, 382x523, images-11.jpeg)

File: 1777143881724-1.jpeg (52 KB, 570x350, images-12.jpeg)

 

The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.

There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.

Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!

Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
109 posts and 20 image replies omitted.

>>2810984
Anatta, that the self does not exist, except through dependent origination.

Buddhism has been strip-mined by Neo-Confucianism and Daoism, and in fact given Theravada and Mindfulness Buddhism it already exists as a Trojan horse within the capitalist system because its ontological priors are in fact hostile to capitalist function.

The idea that the self is not an actual basic reality provides a powerful battering ram against capitalist atomization, and can be used as a basis for solidarity.

Moreover, if we go to cause and effect, Yogacara already has a potent weapon to alienate that, wherein each moment of time is actually fully independent; every frame of reality self-immanentizing.

>>2792434
I hate landlords. The clergy are as useless as the nobility.

>>2792434
So revolution is enlightenment?

>>2823620
Yes. You cannot achieve Nirvana without proletarian revolution.

Atheism >>>


Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM / ufo / 420 ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]
[ 1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 /11 /12 /13 /14 /15 /16 /17 /18 /19 /20 /21 /22 /23 /24 /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31 /32 /33 /34 /35 /36 ]
| Catalog | Home