/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2555383
>The Sino Soviet split, at least if you take Mao at his word, is actually explicitly over the USSR ditching the orthodox line of Stalin. The later Albanian faction and split from both *also* happened because of perceived divergence from Stalins Orthodoxy by both the USSR and China.
I'm not sure, Mao and the Chinese communists would say stuff like that, but Mao privately criticized Stalin to Soviet officials after Stalin died, and then a lot more publicly in speeches and writings. He said Stalin didn't understand dialectics and had a one-sided way of thinking, and that you couldn't criticize or disagree with him. If you did that, you were deemed a counterrevolutionary and executed. If you disagreed with the USSR, you were automatically anti-Soviet. But the Chinese also didn't like how Khrushchev made Stalin out to be so terrible. That's actually an interesting thing to me. You couldn't criticize him when he was alive, and the Soviets built statues of him and names cities after him, and then tore those things down and renamed the cities after he died. It was either one way or the other.

Stalin also refused to believe in the idea that contradictions continue to exist in socialism. In the Stalinist view of things, things are either this way or that. The crux of the matter is that Mao criticized a view that you just need to focus on developing the forces of production (because you've assumed you already have an advanced social system / relations of production / i.e. socialism). This was a "revisionist" idea because in his view the socialist transition is a stage of revolution so you need continued struggle against continuing bourgeois influence in society and in the economic system.

They had other issues with Stalin. Like in "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR," it basically says nothing about the superstructure. It's not concerned with people, only things. Technology decides everything, the cadres decide everything, not the masses. "They speak only of the production relations, not of the superstructure nor politics, nor the role of the people. Communism cannot be reached unless there is a communist movement."

Also, I think a big reason for the Sino-Soviet split is that the Chinese felt the Soviets didn't treat them as equals.

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>>2557165
Good post and i fully agree. Hence the "if we take mao it his word".
My post was mostly aimed at challanging the vague and outright full rejection of an important historical figure in the movement, which often just indicates intellectual laziness and an increased risk of actually repeating the same mistakes because of refusing to engage in granular criticisms.

>hellspawn
<negative impact on reputation
liberal ideology Democrats always whine about "messaging" in their realpolitik public relations as the biggest problem facing the working class. "Stalin is a demonic satanist! His art zines are so uncouth!" lmao 😂

>>2557174
>repeating the same mistakes
euphoric anti-Stalinist nazi settlers:
>"I'm a post-historical subject, my nu-bourgeois revolution is epic and based, I am beyond history, I'm modern and not like those ignorant people in the past"
euphoric anti-Stalinist DSA settlers:
>(same soy redditor PMC ideology from the Elon Musk sci-fi fanclub who uses AI to manage their slaves exactly as IBM did during the holocaust, but now its a Jewish settler surveillance state of transgender drone programmers who insist they are anti-fascist)

>>2557165
agree

Why are you on twitter arguing with Hazoids?

>>2557011
>This doesn’t describe the marxist analysis of the capital system to begin with, capitalism isn’t a conspiracy enacted by the Jew the bourgeoisie
When I said minority at the top I was in fact talking about capitalists.

>Do you apply the same logic to military dictatorships throughout the world?
I‘m really tired of autism level pedantry that refuses to recognize that a person will not address the hundred nuances that are actually involved in their opinion. With that level of obtuseness people would have to write entire books for every statement they make because every possible angle of pedantry would have to be covered.

Obviously it matters what exactly the circumstances are and I believe someone living under a military dictatorship has a good excuse for why they don‘t take action against it. This isn’t the case for Westerners, so stop acting stupid.

>Every living human tends to
That’s the reasoning of a 5 year old to get out of trouble. That everyone allegedly does something doesn‘t actually make it okay. And there‘s a difference between seeking comfort in trivial matters compared to when it comes systems of oppression where average Westerners had plenty of freedom to educate themselves, organize and engage in effective political actions. Instead they prioritized their comfort at the cost of billions of people living in misery around the planet. That is inexcusable.

>>2554998
>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type
why would you do this? online or ir…yeah dont argue with children on the internet
>>2555011
>They told me they were an accelerationist
thats retarded. left acceleration is just the observation that technology increases the frequency of crisis based on marxs fragment on machines

>>2556128
>Hitler speech bubble
white doesnt mean white skin it means colorless as in opposition to colored. its the default not a race and its a historical category based on how capitalism developed not an essentialist trait. its you that has the hitler particles for thinking its an identity

Dialectical materialism is not real.
Try Praxeology instead.

>>2557117
Praxeology is not real.
Try Tricknology instead.

>>2557119
Praxeology works, humans are rational creatures who operate in their perceived self-interest.
Dianetical materialism is fuck knows what. Give me a concise definition of dialectical materialism.
Nobody ever gave me a good definition. It's all mumbo jumbo.

>finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant
Aristotle:
<left his segregated imperialist apartment to engage in dialectics (i.e talking) with his slaves.
Brooklyn settlers:
<The class of "anti-woke" Marxist PMC pseudo-intellectuals have never, ever left, they aren't leftists. They will never talk to their slaves on their podcasts and youtube shows. Just incessant settler condescension and scolding about art and culture and philosophy from degenerate Contrapoints fans

>i got really high
guy who is indistinguishable from the white dreadlock hippies that got owned in Oct 7th while they were dancing to EDM outside the largest concentration camp in human history: "read my art zine about how analytic philosophy has destroyed the world"

>>2555863
yeah its pretty based

>>2554963
SwCC is state capitalist but whatever you say

Stop being such an SLF

SINO WORLD

no, it was another comprador state like all lat am after operation condor. it was better if you were rich and owned oil.

>>2557162
>it was better if you were rich and owned oil.
Many such cases.

Can't help you but maybe it was scrubbed and that shitty life expectancy of eastern bloc countries was pushed instead.

>>2556117
>collectivist
>tiny minority ruling over excluded majority
I think your dictionary is broken.

>>2556437
Even oligarchy (like parliamentarism) is more towards collectivist rule than a single tyrant.

>>2555248
it is actually so illustrative that athenian democracy was actually the most reactionary and oligarchical state, were power was tied to being a landlord. plato and aristotle knew this this is why they complained about their shitty system.

>>2556475
That's not true. The tyrant which cares about the people is more democratic and hence collectivist at a broad scale than a collectivist aristocracy that only cares about itself (collectivist in a narrow scale). If a communist party only cares about the party, it is anti-popular and is less collectivist than a bonapartist dictator that cares about the plebs. You are confusing form with content.

>>2536064
Do you think the west only became imperialist in the 1970s?

>>2556169
Yeah it's quite discouraging. In my head I justify it by saying that these people are probably still quite young and haven't been able to shed their chauvinistic views yet. Though that might just be my mega cope and all these people are the same age as me lol

>>2556866
Such a thing is predicated on the destruction of the west, maybe that's why they're mum about it

>>2556725
I love these e-communists that quote the holy gospel of Michael Parenti like he's one of the heads or Marxism. Hes the 80s equivalent of a youtube channel that does bitesized digestible videos on Marxist theory.

>>2556920
POV: Finally burning all of Marx’s collected workers and preparing to commit suicide because of my metaphysical evil

t. Honkie suburbanite that thinks “capitalism” is when you are a honkie suburbanite

>>2556800
Vuvuzela is run by a cartel, no need for the CIA boogeyman

>>2556907
>/leftypol/ supporting all kinds of far right critters "anti-imperialists" but stabbing socialists in the back
Another banger.

>>2556536
>>2556608
Join the Maoists they are the only principled group

>>2556940
>2% of workforce is needed to feed rest of population due to automation in agriculture
<lets start a peasant revolution
Brilliant.

>>2556907
Source?

>Germany’s hard-left icon
Lmao

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https://www.axios.com/2025/11/10/trump-air-traffic-controllers-pay-shutdown
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https://time.com/7332356/uber-lawsuit-sex-discrimination-lyft/
https://archive.ph/ZiLW1

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/10/chuck-schumer-resign-calls-shutdown-vote-democrats

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(Chapo Trap House) 985 - The Murder Inc. Doctrine feat. Greg Grandin (11/10/25)
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https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/985-the-murder-inc-doctrine-feat-greg-grandin-111025

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https://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Greece-The-provocations-and-anti-KKE-slanders-will-fail-once-again/

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