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What do we think of Anarcho-Synndicaliam, Council Communism, and Anarcho-Communism, basically ideologies in which the proletriat immediately seizes production without seizing the state apparatus.

Personally i really like Pannekoek and also syndicalism although I think both systems can become burecratic and possibly disconnected forming a new classes (such as how after the first revolunary generation lost power in the USSR the vanguard stopped working for the proletriat and formed new methods of exploitation).

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Typo



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So I hadn't seen a thread about this yet. What are we thinking in regards to the latest anime flag protests happening in Mexico against the Sheinbaum government? Organic mass uprising? Part of a global wave of revolutionary struggle? CIA sponsored destabilization efforts against US rivals/enemies? Full on color revolution? You decide!
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we got reports that a lot of the protesters were rallied and brought in packs by criminals linked to merchants who were threatened by local gangs who charge for protection if they didn't go to the protests;

https://x.com/FreddyOliviery/status/1989832913199010313

of the few Gen-z-ers that did go to the protest might be linked to a detained woman from Guadalajara named Daniela Toussaint who used to pimp minors in 2020

https://www.tvazteca.com/aztecauno/venga-la-alegria/notas-vla/notas/mario-bautista-acusado-abuso-sexual-daniela-toussaint-denunciantes

she was detained on the protests and are treating her like a victim now

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1MW3fxQMzm/

>>2565064
Thank you for your thoughtful response maoanon. I generally agree and I also wouldn't want to dismiss the grievances of the Nepalese working people. Of course there's something real, if a bit embryonic in these protests, otherwise they wouldn't happen. And I wouldn't want to be dismissive of any protests in principle, but I think it should be noted when these movements ARE coopted by liberals and that such things can happen extremely fast or in many cases are already predisposed to cooption. Popular resentment is a powerful force, porkies know this and they control the media landscape, thus molding the perceived outlets for that force in advance. I don't think it's a coincidence when we see these things happen in real time (the discord voting, the QR code banners in english, the "Gen Z" label, etc), that there is a certain alignment towards western interests. These factors should raise skepticism, while retaining solidarity with the working people regardless of course

Gen Zion


>>2563966
>which makes our Mexican nazis extra funny
I call them naztecs



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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>no mention of "khmer rouge"

I don't know how to interpret pol pot.

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>>2565363
why do you feel you must interpret him, or anyone as an individual at all? i mean it would theoretically be kind of interesting to approach pol pot from a schizoanalytic angle but that seems >>>/dead/ on arrival

>>2547940
The same happened to Che in the Congo, why do people think that their "magikkk" has some effect on real, material and dialectical physics

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>>2565692
some of the magikk, like traditional medicines derived from herbs (myth and medicine being inseparable in many societies), was (and still is, in places) a reasonably well-enough to work explanation for the processes of real, material and dialectical physics
not unheard of are drugs used today being extracted, isolated and used on their own in scientific medicine, like the antimalarial drug artemisinin which was discovered during the secret chinese cultural revolution-era program project 523, along with a number of other compounds extracted by Tu Youyou from a variety of traditional chinese folk remedies that she collected the recipes of on a journey throughout the country. this earned her a nobel prize in physiology
<https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228382-000-the-modest-woman-who-beat-malaria-for-china/
however just like the medicinal plants which often contain not only the healing component(s) but also a number of other compounds including the ones with quite unpleasant side effects if ingested/applied on a human, if not outright poison that kills them; the magikk has a comparable byproduct of such in the idealist ways of thinking it is self-reinforcing

>picrel

medicinal plant of strychnos nux-vomica for thread [people's] tax. strychnine trees grow on ទួលស្លែង, Tuŏl Slêng [tuəl slaeŋ]; lit. "Hill of the Poisonous Trees" or "Strychnine Hill" another famous species is the chankiri tree



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Can someone give me non-bullshit explanation of how exactly Western PROLETARIAT benefits from imperialism?

The West exported their investments and know-how and helped in the industrialization of the third world. Not just China, but also SEA, Asian tigers, India, Brazil, Poland, Malaysia etc. This resulted in the exact opposite of what happened in colonialism. The Western industries were hollowed out this time, and outsourced to the third world. Now sure, the Western bourgie benefited from this, but the money didnt trickle down much. That's why in the 1970s you could support a family and live a decent life doing a simple blue collar job and now you cant. So where exactly did the Western PROLETARIAT benefit from this imperialism?
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>>2562260
it didnt give westoids any treats so thats why they think it didnt do shit

I speak for the empire but the empire doesn't speak for me

>>2562307
>The point of Scientific Socialism is to build Communism, not abolish markets. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore in correct.” Socialist commodity production must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between China’s industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.
uh yeah "prematurely" abolish commodity production. In full communism its abolished. So yes the point of scientific socialism is to establish communism but communism implies that commodity production is abolished otherwise you will eventually recreate the social antagonisms of capitalism including class. This is basic shit.

>>2566158
You retards are both wrong, probably because you both redefined “socialism” to mean a specific government policy ya stupid cunts

>>2562294
I don’t identify with any nation, faggot



 

Nazism is founded on Satanism.
Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis Lodge, whose leader was Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley, if you don't know, was the premier satanist and occultist of the 19th century, who coined the term "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". He is the man who inspired LaVey to found the Church of Satan.
Hitler himself was deeply interested in occultism, and openly expressed this. Nazism in fact directly traces its roots to Ariosophy, a racist offshoot of Theosophy, the movement Crowley was a part of. Himmler was particularly embroiled in this.
The recent rise of Nazism is nothing more and nothing less than a psyop to compromise the right-wing youth into being Satanists.
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>>2565990
The return of anti-Semitism and fascism on a global scale is a foreshadowing of a global alliance of Gentile nations against Jerusalem. God is allowing this rebellion against Him to happen on purpose so that Jews will repent to God and accept Jesus. Biblical end times prophecy or something

>>2565990
>Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis
<Fact
Reported for retardation.

Aleister Crowley was/is absolutely not a 'satanist', and neither was/is the Ordo Templi Orientis. Their beliefs are essentialy Jewish Qabbalah with a few 'egyptian' influences, they worship the same Abrahamic God as almost everyone else, they just have sex about it sometimes so puritans kneejerked and labelled them 'satanists'.

your analysis is historically illiterate and idealist, material conditions are the primary determinants in the development of history and culture, the social 'superstructure' is derived from the material, is a reaction to it.

>>2565990
I would describe everything in this thread (including Ayn Rand) as an outgrowth of German Romanticism.

Also btw i copy and pasted this thread unto mutiple imageboards and found this site had the most intelligent takes on it



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I often find it hard to focus on Marx, and other theorists writings and ideals when i'm surrounded by personal relationships and similar distractions. I feel as if I am not truly devoted to the advancement of the proletariat because of this, because of these influences. How do I destroy these aspects of my life to further my dedication?

I know soon I need to be dedicated to a party, as I'm turning 22 and haven't don't much in terms of dedicating my life to the formation of a party and furthering its influence
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Mentality like that will lead you on a cult real fast, just read theory and when opportunity appear try to show people about leftist views in a civil manner, more than that you could join a real political party and do some action around your city, state or even your country, just do become a schizo fanatic

This post sound as if it was made by some Mormon devolted to cult. Which oddly fits trots so it make sense

don't do it. don't throw your life away

Do it

don't put all your eggs in one basket. live your life and enjoy it as much as you can



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/ovPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>DAMN IT GUYS I TOLD YOU NOT TO RELEASE THE DIDDY BLUD FILES
https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1990963655270076654

>>2566121
>his article "the gambler" about the grifter who became a trans neo nazi in ukraine was interesting
sarah ashton-crillo or somesuch? didn't xe detransition?

link me please


>>2564939
I hope your neck gets stomped if you say this shit irl

>>2565475
this punk ass mark won't have the balls to do this shit in neighborhoods filled with gang activities.



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>>2512496
Replace em with the Communist Party.

>>2512418
McPherson will likely win.

I hope Alberta UCP MLA’s get recalled.


https://actionnetwork.org/events/urgentbriefing
https://armsembargonow.ca/nomoreloopholes/

Canada is still sending weapons to israel, to the surprise of no one. Time to bully your mp



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169
an issue is that "liberalism" is defined ipso facto (i.e. "liberalism" is a 19th century signifier). the earliest text i could find which references "liberalism" directly is andré vieusseux's "essay on liberalism" (1823), which i provide citation of here: >>2526253
his claim is that these "innovators" lack a cohesive theory of their own movement. they are not guided by a positive belief in liberty, but a negative belief against "stability". i then attempt to provide german idealist sources of a positive freedom, which appears linked to moral law and thus the liberal precedence of the supremacy of the legislative branch, as we see in england (i.e. "the rule of law", which evolves from habeas corpus to universal human rights). yet, kant still sees that for one to be free is not to be merely subject to law (e.g. dictatorship) but to submit oneself to the moral law as their own reason intuits it. thus, kant attempts to combine freedom and necessity, in what is later approximated by hegel. the earliest liberal ideas stress liberty and this seems to be its own end. yet there is the capitalist turn as smith identifies it (1776) between the class interest of the worker and the capitalist, where profits and wages compete against each other. the rise of socialism comes from.the french radicals, with pierre leroux first defining "socialism" twofold; saint-simonism and republicanism (i.e. liberty, fraternity, equality). proudhon had personal antagonism with leroux yet appears consistent in this republican idea (proudhon in 1849 revealing that his 3 intellectual "masters" were adam smith, hegel and the bible). marx on the other hand seems to have favoured saint-simonism (e.g. "the administration of things") and so came against the french republicans, with his theory of freedom (e.g. 1844 manuscripts) being the positive concept of humanism (communism) where contradictions end.

>>2524222
RELIGION is the opiate of the masses as Marx originally stated.
You're much more likely to get a liberal on your side than you are a religious person, at least in the west.
Look at the average American religious prole - they will vote against all of their class interests, knowingly, because of abortion.

>>2524381
>science of Marxism-Leninism
how to tell someone you don't understand or like science, marxism or leninism

>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)

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i was researching freemasonry, when i got to the "lansdowne MS" (1560) which is part of the "old charges" of the order (english masonry only officially beginning with the grand lodge in 1717). what struck me is the lexicon highlighted here:
<First, there is no reference of the word ‘Freemason’ or even ‘Free Mason’, only ‘Free born’.  This might suggest Free Mason was not yet in use in England.
https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202101lansdowne-ms/
this is interesting, since it reminds me of john lilburne's notion of an englishman's "freeborn" rights (1641-9). was liberalism a child of arcane masonry (such that later liberal revolutionaries openly adopted the doctrine)?



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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV

From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism

Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory

It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP

Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>>2565531
>alienation
the theory of alienation is present in marx's 1844 manuscripts, and does not refer to "exploitation", but rather, the social abstraction of labour as such. that is to say, when labour is taken as something in-itself (rather than part of nature), then we establish society in relation to the subject of "labour" (e.g. class society). exploitation also occurs via alienation, since capital is "dead labour" which oppresses "living labour". thus, economic relations are the relations of labour to itself; in possession and dispossession. marx's solution is to abolish the category of labour itself.
>exploitation
the exploitation of labour also doesnt refer to the product of labour which is owed to the worker (since to marx, the wage is the value of labour), but rather, that the surplus labour is categorically dispossessed by the employment contract. the worker does not own his labour by right, but rather, he owns his "labour-power" (capacity to work) and sells it as a commodity. if you reduced the working day to only what was necessary, exploitation would not occur.
>if labor is presumed to not have innate value
to marx, value is not an "innate" or natural relationship, but is a social relationship defined by commodity exchange. thus, only commodities have value, and attain values in being purchased for money.
>falling rate of profit
this theory appears to originate in the work of adam smith, as recorded by the historical rate of interest, which decreases over time. smith stipulates that profits may only fall in relation to higher wages in the context of competition (which ricardo also situates as the precondition for the law of value), and without this, these conditions may be indefinitely suspended, as in the case of keynesian "imperfect competition" (monopoly) which may lead to higher profits by raising prices, for example.
>>2565618
>Marx differs from Smith and Ricardo on some specifics.
any "specific" examples?
>>2565863
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>>2565868
The tools for economic planning are being made by capitalists themselves. Things like demand forecasting and resource allocation ai. The thing is theyll hold on to those…

>>2565870
>marx claims that the economic relations of labour in class society determines history
and it does, but its not the sole driver of history

>>2565871
Capitalists play a different game in that it is permissible for them to fail. If Amazon bet wrong (say, the price of oil goes up to a million dollars a barrel and their logistics collapse) they go out of business and someone else moves in on their territory. When "Amazon" is the entirety of society, you've got a problem.
Not necessarily an intractable problem, but an underexamined one. The real engine of capitalism so far has not been in that it has successful firms (all systems have successful firms), it is that more than most systems it allows unsuccessful firms to fail. The short term costs hurt, sure, but the long term benefit is that we're no longer pouring social resources into Sears and Blockbuster.
(This says little about economic planning in principle, but it should in broad strokes indicate why decentralized, semi-centralized, or merely indicative planning is preferable to rigid central planning, and why allowing plans to fail is often preferable to trying to salvage them once they go south.)

the lack of a strong failure state is incidentally also why there are so many communist microparties. if a new socdem party can't get elected, it usually gives up pretty quickly because it has obviously failed at its goal. a communist org on the other hand can drift along for 50 years with 15 members masturbating to how they're the one true vanguard who truly understood marxism-leninism-stalinism-maoism-gonzaloism-johnsmithism, because they don't set themselves any serious tests. no communist revolution? of course not, not yet, read theory! sell newspapers! no electoral success? the proletariat has no need for bourgeois electoralism! no new members? as the great stalin said: better fewer, but better!

>>2565863
marx definitely does claim it is the sole driver of history, and he is right about that



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