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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>>2385522
I won't either, tbh, fam.

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Greater East Asia Co-Ice-Cream Sphere

NEW THREAD
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>>2385534
that chair looks tiny and he looks fat af

>>2384327
>Judaism is uniquely evil
>>2384852
>Christ-insanity should go first since it's uniquely evil
is it like humans vs orcs?


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Will he be the one to break the Demopublican party's grasp on bourgeois elections and continue a new reign of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or will he crumble as he pours his money into a failed campaign? Will he split the Right wing of capital? Was it dumb that he didn't just pour finances into the lolbert party instead?

I personally think the most important decisive factor is the image, he needs to make the party symbol a cowboy hat next to an Indian chief war bonnet. Considering how many people drool over symbolism.
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Elon Musk Consulted Curtis Yarvin, Right-Wing Thinker, on Third Party

<The two men spoke about Mr. Musk’s push to create the America Party before the midterm elections. Mr. Yarvin has expressed support for a monarchy, along with provocative ideas about race

https://archive.is/20250709235411/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/us/politics/elon-musk-curtis-yarvin-third-party.html

>As Elon Musk studies up on how to start a third political party, among the people from whom he has sought advice is a somewhat surprising choice of consultant: the right-wing blogger Curtis Yarvin, who is perhaps best known for advocating monarchism.

>Mr. Yarvin is one of the most influential thinkers on the so-called tech right, where he has attracted attention for his oft-expressed distaste for traditional American democracy.

>He would not seem to be a source of the kind of expertise that Mr. Musk needs as he pursues his idea for the America Party — Mr. Yarvin is not an expert on the mechanics of creating third parties or on the strategies and intricacies of running third-party campaigns.

>Still, Mr. Musk and Mr. Yarvin spoke late last week about the task ahead, according to two people briefed on the conversation who insisted on anonymity to describe it. A representative for Mr. Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Mr. Yarvin declined to be interviewed.
Some of Mr. Yarvin’s friends over the years have included technology leaders like Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen, and Vice President JD Vance has cited his writing.

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>>2384070
Speed Up the Breakdown

https://archive.is/20250227052212/https://www.nybooks.com/online/2025/02/15/speed-up-the-breakdown/

[…]

>Right-wing accelerationists imagine existing sovereignty shattering into what Yarvin, writing under the pen name Mencius Moldbug, calls a “patchwork” of private entities, ideally governed by what one might call technomonarchies. Existing autocratic polities like Dubai serve as rough prototypes for how nations could be dismantled into “a global spiderweb of tens, even hundreds, of thousands of sovereign and independent mini-countries, each governed by its own joint-stock corporation without regard to the residents’ opinions.” These would be decentralized archipelagoes: fortified nodes in a circuitry still linked by finance, trade, and communication. Think of the year 1000 in Middle Europe but with vertical take-off and landing taxis and Starlink internet. Yarvin expressed the essence of the worldview recently when he enthused over Trump’s proposal to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip and rebuild it as a US-backed colony securitized as an asset and sold to investors—as he called it, “the first charter city backed by US legitimacy: Gaza, Inc. Stock symbol: GAZA.”

>Accelerationists do not want merely to make government more efficient, nor simply to prevent it from pursuing redistribution or propagating progressive values. “Speed up the breakdown” is the mantra. Their objective is not to tame or starve the beast but to kill it. Adherents to this extreme ideology are obviously a minority, and it’s not clear at all that Musk himself shares it, let alone Trump. But even if they don’t, DOGE’s actions are helping to unsettle the division between public and private authority. Libertarians have long seen gated communities as laboratories of private government and reminisced about the law and order of the supposedly stateless Western frontier. Musk’s move to reboot the company town by incorporating Starbase, Texas could be seen as a first step toward a world where private actors make laws and jurisdictions that fit their personal needs. 

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>>2384077
Patchwork: A Political System for the 21st Century

<Chapter 1: A Positive Vision
https://archive.is/CAv2Y

The Uneasy Oligarchy

<New barbarians are at the gate

https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-uneasy-oligarchy-merchant

>Of course, all this is presented to the public eye as a holy war on the left. As is often the case, the most debased episodes of the culture war are actually spasms of a profits war. One faction of the ruling class feels frozen out and sees an opportunity to weaponize the state against its enemies within the ruling class. On the outs are Democratic elites like Larry Summers, and the university he once presided over—Harvard. Faces of the state-finance establishment like Larry Fink and Jamie Dimon are sidelined, while a new team of opportunists is called to the field. This is not the takeover of government by oligarchs; it is an aspiring oligarchy overthrowing an old one by seizing government power. 

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THIS IS IT
ITS HAPPENING
SOON ITS HAPPENING
TRUMP OUSTED HIMSELF AS PEDO
MUSK PROVEN RIGHT
MAGA MOVEMENT SPLIT AND TORN
REPUBLICAN PARTY TORN
DEMS TOO WEAK
MUSK WILL BREAK THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM
MUSK'S PARTY WINS NEXT ELECTIONS OR THE ONES AFTER IF HE KEEPS HIS COOL
BURGERREICH ENTERS INTO CRISIS MODE
THEN IT COLLAPSES
THEN THE RUZZIANS AND CHINESE COME AND LIBERATE THE WHOLE WORLD


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>0 protestant countries with organic communist revolutions

It's truly over. Unless western culture is changed at the grass roots level AND THEN politically promoted, no communism will ever come to the west. You cannot build communism in a society where the "individual" is some weird fetish that is a fake parody of itself from renaissance thought of 600 years ago.

>inb4 counter examples of collectivist pockets in western societies.
>inb4 helping chinese paratroopers when they land in the midwest
>inb4 mamadani

you had a higher chance of building communism in ancient egypt with the pharaohs as stalin then you do now in the west
Genesis 41:25-57
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>>2384976
Like it was said majority left winger just straight up shut down the debate about I.Q and leave the topic to right winger nuts, instead of actually engaging in a productive manner and trying to find actual good policy that deals with the reality of I. Q having a genetic component, 50 years of twins and adoption studies prove being the shadow of doubt that I.Q had a genetic component, you either dug your head in the sand and denying everything becaus it hurt your political views or accept realitiy and actually move on to a productive debate

>>2385227
>thingnoticerism
Speak normal please.

>miliary furries
Because I jack off to anthros and it's a common joke that all prominent furries are wealthy and work at like Google or Lockheed Martin.

>>2385246
The scientific community already did engage with it, by creating the scientific method. autism score still exists in the same realm as string theory, dowsing rods and abrahamic gods to this day.

>>2385246
>fellow lefties are we cooked because we've allowed the right to dominate the objectively proven science of astrology

>>2385246
>accept realitiy and actually move on to a productive debate

It's pretty clear that there's no "debating" with you. Whatever you imagine the genetic link to intelligence proves is to you firmly settled fact, and we've had these "debates" here on leftypol for years where some high idiot score brainlet comes along with
>hey fellow lefties what about uyghurs they're too stupid for communism
>hey fellow lefties what do we do about mixed races living together communism can't work if you're not smart enough to appreciate rick and morty
>hey fellow lefties what sort of eugenics programs are appropriate for communism we don't want the stupid untermenschen outbreeding us smart people right
And on and on. No one wants to "debate" you because we've heard your nazi shit all before. Your mensa wanker pseudoscience shit doesn’t matter and never will. Die mad about it.


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I don't think my psyche could handle witnessing the EU collapse or be reduced to an irrelevant institution by far right """reforms""". But that is just the outcome that is becoming increasingly more likely with each passing year.
How do I cope?
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>>2384930
who are you quoting, can you get a primary source?

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>>2384966
another one stalin liquidated

>>2384846
>high-productivity of the first world
Wrong. Imperialists produce nothing in aggregate. Imperialists are parasites. Imperialists only destroy value.
>So they adopted all kind of crackpot political economies that resulted in stagnation and corruption, resulting in many lost decades of growth
Wrong. North Korea, Communist China, Vietnam, and Cuba has freed itself from imperialism and liberated their productive forces from the fetters of neocolonialism.
>Labor-power in third world countries is cheap (in relative terms) and its (mostly) not the first world countries fault for that.
Wrong. You are vulgar bourgeois economist white chauvinist imperialist apologist. Imperialist crush third-world labor power and plunder third world of its produce. This is superexploitation. Imperialist superwage is soaked in blood.
CONFESS YOUR CRIMES AGAINST THE REVOLUTION
Admit your claim of "First World technical superiority" is:
Racist ahistorical fabrication ignoring primitive accumulation and monopoly capitalist law of uneven development
Bourgeois mystification to justify imperialist plunder
Direct contradiction of Lenin's Imperialism: Highest Stage of Capitalism
Acknowledge your slander of revolutionary economies as "crackpot" constitutes:
Total
Complicity in CIA propaganda
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>>2237298
>Thats how I picture it going down, U.S is going to collapse but come back alligned to the pacific under a new banner an national identity divorced from euroupe entirely.
TBH, I hope it turns out this way. I've never felt that I've had much of anything in common with "Europe" anyway.
>>2374565
>Franco stayed out of WW2
Franco sent forces to fight in the Nazi-led coalition during Operation Barbarossa.


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>While exiled in 1899, Bauman had an affair with the wife of a fellow revolutionary who became pregnant with Bauman's child. Bauman responded by openly mocking her, and circulating a vicious cartoon of her as the Virgin Mary with a baby in her womb, with a caption asking "who the baby looked like". The woman later hanged herself.
>This story had gained wide currency among Russian political exiles by the time Bauman reappeared in Switzerland in 1902, after the escape from Kiev. Some of those involved in producing Iskra, including Lenin's closest friend and collaborator, Julius Martov and Pavel Axelrod, one of the founders of Russian Marxism, wanted Bauman expelled from the organisation. In 1903, the board of Iskra adjudicated the matter, and Lenin interceded on Bauman's behalf. According to biographer Robert Service, Lenin rejected the party's right to interfere, arguing that the party's task "was to make revolution against the Romanov monarchy and to vet the morality of comrades only when and in so far as their actions affected the implementation of the task". The subsequent controversy divided the party, and has been described as "one of the many personal clashes which came to define the ethical distinctions" between the Bolshevik and Menshevik factions after 1903.

Was it really worth it to split the party over this asshole?
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What a shitty fucking thread. Also top tier bait. If I was Lenin I would have staged a duel between Bauman and that woman's husband. Still, I feel like that is some stupid scummy bullshit on the part of Bauman and in any decently run society he should have been executed for assholeism.

>>2384902
You mean what a shitty fucking bolshevik party

>>2384977
Okay liberal

>>2384980
Moralist

>>2384902
the story is fake
you did take the bait


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Thread 1 https://archive.ph/ROnpO
Thread 2 https://archive.ph/f29Po

Youtube Playlists
Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTMFx0t8kDzc72vtNWeTP05x6WYiDgEx7
Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1uqxcCESK6B1juh_wnKoxftZCcqA1go
Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism
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Can someone explain to me the relationship between profit margin and determing the price of an item?

We all know that in "ideal" capitalism the price is set by considering cost of production and consumers willing to pay it. But how does it really work? That is to say: how inflated prices really are compared to their production cost? We saw that during the COVID pandemia prices rose, and afterwards stayed the same even though they should lower again. How does this work? How much profit is artificial?

>>2379497
>hephaestus even tell us that he created androids
lmao
>>2383502
>the same way the automoble is just an improvement on the chariot
yes nothing ever changes in fact change is impossible. zeno confirmed. communism btfo. we should all give up and become liberals. this is of course very serious and not a joke.

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>>2384419
>yes nothing ever changes
things change; but the more things change, the more they stay the same. time is the moving image of eternity: λόγος
<"Now it was the [God's] nature to be eternal, but it isn’t possible to bestow eternity fully upon anything that is begotten. And so he began to think of making a moving image of eternity: at the same time as he brought order to the universe, he would make an eternal image, moving according to number, of eternity remaining in unity. This number, of course, is what we now call “time.” [plato - timaeus, 37d]
<"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." [ecclesiastes 1:9]
>>2384329
>We all know that in "ideal" capitalism the price is set by considering cost of production and consumers willing to pay it. But how does it really work? That is to say: how inflated prices really are compared to their production cost?
adam smith proposes that market prices (determined by supply and demand) equilibrate toward their costs of production (natural price), over a certain period. this is also marx's view, which is a presupposition granted to him by special reference to the ricardian thomas tooke's work "history of prices" in which he attempts to combat the view that prices are determined by the money supply, and looks at the elements of production instead, in order to ground a labour theory of value. if we take this classical understanding then, a commodity's production cost is its "real price" to which everything gravitates. the point on inflation is what keynes wrote; that it exists as a tax, but a tax on whom? keynes generalises the phenomena, but from the market we see all prices rise except the wage. inflation then is not the raising of value, but the diminishing of the value of the wage. if wages were adjusted for inflation for example, prices would level out to a more acceptable level. "artificial" profits then do not occur from over-pricing commodities (which is rent, not profit), but decreasing the value of the wage, or exploiting labour.

Can someone explain what Anwar Shaikh and real economics is about?

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>>2384794
as adam smith says,
<"Labour alone, therefore, never varying in its own value, is alone the ultimate and real standard by which the value of all commodities can at all times and places be estimated and compared. It is their real price; money is their nominal price only." [wealth of nations, chapter 5]
anwar shaikh maintains this distinction, between "real" and "nominal" value. he makes this argument, which relates to my earlier comment upon inflation lowering the real wage of workers:
<"Finally, if buying prices remained unchanged at pcn= 0.7, pir= 5.25 while sell-ing prices were doubled to pcn= 1.4, pir= 10.50, nominal profits would be boosted because sales would be doubled while costs remained unchanged. If workers are unable to maintain their real wage because they are unable to raise their money wages to match the new higher prices, then the fall in their real wage would expand the surplus product in the next round. This can be important in practice when inflation serves to reduce the real wage […] That is to say, real profits adjusted for inflation would be unchanged [.] The foregoing exercises lead to a simple rule for measuring economic profits. First, derive nominal economic profits by applying the same current-period prices to material and labor inputs as to outputs. Second, derive real economic profits by deflating nominal profits by the general price index, whose level will itself depend on the period chosen to be the base […] As noted, these are adjustments designed to distinguish real economic profit from nominal profit." [anwar shaikh - capitalism: competition, conflict, crises - chapter 6, part 3, section 2-3]
put most simply, the real economy measures the purchasing power of wages. wages can "rise" in price, but have less value; this then shows the difference. anwar also appears to be part of "the new school", which michael hudson is part of.


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>arguing about extremely minor theory differences
>making mega threads that are hard to understand because of how much garbage is in them
>complaining about leftists doing actual action while you sit at home and do nothing
>wants unity but if someone posts a soyjak or something slightly different you complain
>possibly moving or deleting this thread because it’s “meta”
Geg get your work together guys
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>>2326249
I think this proves that revolutionary defeatism just regular bourgeois politics.

>>2325898
unity for fighting fascism and unity for advancing socialism are different things

>>2383951
also how lenin got to power

>>2384072
Lenin was an ultra wrecker

>>2325866
>arguing about extremely minor theory differences
What constitutes a "minor" difference to you?
>complaining about leftists doing actual action while you sit at home and do nothing
Not gonna act like nobody does this, but movementism ("do anything"-ism) isn't the answer to that.
>wants unity
Where does unity come from?


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idk how to put it but I am just expecting electoral politics to go like "Wow Sanchez suck enjoy the party that wishes to be Thatcher but have been PSOE'd to death" governs for a thousand years

I will go to the million protests that will continue ongoing (nothing ever happens)
I will eat jamon
I will drink the beer

getting drunk alone is a great idea I love when there is some local bs about some saint or virgin and can get random plastic cups full of rum and cokes
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>>2384181
ola cabron
the anglos on this board know nothing about Spain
give 'em some context

and I agree with you million protest thing
just performative bullshit

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>>2384184
Southern iberian politics

We get tons of protests because healthcare and housing are worsening, we are supposedly developed despite our wages stagnating blah blah

Idk if you think "the cost of living crisis" is only a thing if you speak English, we got it since the brick crisis long live my cock

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>>2384195
Si pero yo ns q decir, he tenido contacto en la del 4D con gente interesante

Si lo piensas, en este bürguerreich solo te dejan quejarte votando o manifestandote o si tienes plataforma ahí

Mucha gente q si Broncano q si ns quien (socialdemocratas) yo qs

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Bueno, que culpa tienen de tener una simple madera de donde se sacam todos los muebles (seguro que algún marroquí, Latinoamérica, chino o que se yo en un tiempo cambiará un poco las caras).
No se, es decir, las caídas estrepitosas del capitalismo son el momento donde lo nuevo nace, y que nació en España? Podemos xD y Ciudadanos, por eso personalmente digo que Ojalá que el gobierno del Dios Emperador Sánchez dure 100 000 años, y que se radicalize un poco más pronto. Pero se qué es mucho pedir.
ATT. Un sudamericano

Nunca he entendido por qué pero Andalucía siempre ha sido súper pobre, sé que es porque no se industrializó tanto como el norte pero bueno, y lo digo como andaluz

Por cierto vaya coincidencia encontrarme un andaluz aquí


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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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>>2381676
Nevermind. I was actually able to access it through my university library. In case anyone else was wondering.

I'm thinking of reading Marx in the follow order: Capital 1 > Civil War in France > Gotha

Those are the latest work of which Marx wrote before passing away, in my head those are the mature works full fledged works of him

>>2382506
I'd go in the exact reverse order. Gotha is quickly read, capital is big and hard theory

>>2383894
I think Capital should be the first

any good books on the history of social democracy and how it's changed over decades?


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Thread №2

Переможный, переговорный, пятнадцатотравневый.

Продолжаем трястись и ждать мобку.
Лолируем с красных фашистов, пыняславов и чучхеисов - вместе.
Переезжаем в тюмень, так как там нефтяная мекка и все жрут черную икру поварешками.
Левый поворот путина будет… надо только подождать… еще лет двадцать.
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Мороженное дороже им чем Коба 😭 😭 😭

>>2356309
This is the kind of person to be incredibly butthurt about Chinese - meaning communist - Haval replacing Westoid automakers. If he wants to prove that Stalin isn't needed by the people, he should also be accepting of the argument that communist China is more needed by the people than the retreating Westoids - and liberalism, capitalism, market-ism, whatever you call it

Бамп

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Бамп наследниками товарища Ильина

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Некая блогерша Мария Шалаева похвасталась, что слетала в закрытый аэропорт Ростова на военном самолёте вместе с сыном и «человеком из Кремля». Позже она удалила видео, но в Сети остались его отрывки, в том числе с… кадрами секретных полётных карт.

По её словам, самолёты туда летают, но «не все и не для всех». Кто именно был её спутником, она не сказала, только отметила, что это не военный и не ФСБшник, назвав его «Мистером Икс».

После резонанса в соцсетях генерал-майор авиации Владимир Попов сообщил, что будет проведена проверка. Он подчеркнул, что Минобороны РФ не оставит ситуацию без реакции.

Разбираться будут не только с блогершей, но и с экипажем, который пустил гражданских на борт. По имеющимся у СМИ данным, к «Мистеру Икс» уже пришли на работу.


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