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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2576720
all porkies are class conscious lol

>>2576294 (me)
Continuing with my boring exploration.

I know the hydraulic procedure does not have any prices, but could we do a scalar evaluation of the resources after they got assigned with this procedure, just on the basis of the assignment pattern? (You know, for the accountants.) We could simply do this: For a resource, we look at which pseudo-firm received some of it and just add all these pseudo-firms' RAP scores together. It seems to me that, ''within the constraints that we neither look at excess stocks nor at the request forms nor anything else besides the assignment pattern, this is actually the most fitting measure we can do. If this measure feels weird, it's really due to the method the measure was made for.

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>>2578921
if they were truly class conscious they wouldn't be their own gravediggers

>>2583286
anon this anlysis fails to realize that porkie doesnt care about what happens after they die. A lot of the porkie will die before collapse happens so who gives a shit about lel future

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>>2583306
if they can't or don't want to perpetuate class society after they die then they aren't really class conscious, they're just individualists, nihilists, and egoists. For the bourgeoisie to be conscious as a class they would have to want society to continue after they die.

But the analysis in the picture DOESEtake this into account. They hoard more wealth than they can spend in one life time. A lot of them could retire and never run out of money but they choose to continue attending board meetings and doing interviews and shit. They dress up and go places and act important and try to force regulations in their favor. They try to extend their copyrights more than a century. They try to use life extension tech. Elon Musk has a ton of kids. They really seem to think the Earth will survive their bullshit and they want their progeny to inherit their wealth,, on the one hand, but they continue to act in ways which guarantee their downfall, and/or the destruction of the earth, on the other hand. They want to live forever through life extension tech, on the one hand, but they don't create a political situation that tolerates their perpetual existence, on the other hand. They absolutely, as a class, seem to care about the future, but are very bad at understanding that they have outlived their historical usefulness as a class.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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>>2582959
$25 from blackwater has been deposited into your account

>>2582905
How is that relevant in any shape or form, when one has to look at the kind of relationship that dominates the entire economy
>>2582903
Report racist MAGAtards to ICE

>>2582962
do you really think blackwater is against janet mills? why would they be?

>>2582906
>That doesn't mean it's socialist
so no privatized companies? neoliberalism hasn't put a foothold on its state? good.
Socialism is enshrined in Vietnam's constitution, thus they are looking forward for it.

>>2582965
>blackwater has two approved candidates running for senate in maine
lucky them!



 

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2580082
Most of these planes are decades old Soviet and Chinese aircraft. This is definitely the weakest branch of their military (not counting the anti-air forces, which are quite powerful).

So I learned today that apparently, in the DPRK, abortion is both illegal but also state enforced:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_North_Korea

You would think a state would just change its laws so that it could official what it wants but no, that'snot for the backward irrational oriental DPRK.

>>2581005

Looks like I caught it in its tracks.

>>2581014
The AI admits defeats. Its over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_North_Korea

Looks like some of the recent death rate calculations are wrong as well; They don't match the deaths/population ratio at all.



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Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
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So nothing really happened regarding the stuff from my previous posts. The hunger strikers have up after two weeks and there was no big Cacilend conformation.
The student movement is still alive but probably the most dead it's been the past year. There is only one faculty which restarted its blockade, the others are operating normally in the new year except that the start of the year was late.
The NIS situation is still unresolved, I am not sure what the SNS government is planning, maybe they're just waiting for Russians to agree to a deal where NIS is sold to a third country. They floated the idea of nationalizing NIS but they have not done that yet. The oil refinery in Pancevo is stopping production because of a lack of oil, which means they're already losing money. If there is no solution in the coming months then the government will have to spend a lot of money on importing finished oil products and subsidizing the cost, or they can not subsidize it and cause an oil crisis in Serbia.

>>2578044

Also don't forget to mention the students had a split with the zbor's due to the more liberal opposition infiltrating them according to them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRnTjuzACP5/?img_index=1

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I feel like you guys need to stop labelling everything as a color revolution

Even if its liberals its still class conflict in nature, and mass disconnect being organized on general strike scales is impressive

>>2579295
The zbors are very dead compared to their peak in early july during the dumpster barricade stuff.

>>2579297
There were 2 calls to general strike but there was no labor organizing behind them so they failed.

Two days ago there were some local elections for some rural areas (only a few tens of thousands of voters total) and SNS won but with much less votes compared to both the last local elections and the last parliamentary elections. Like usual, there were various kinds of election fraud spotted and there was even some fighting in Mionica in a tavern close to one of the poll stations (https://x.com/agrifblokira/status/1995150996067307853).

>>2581761
Forgot to mention the most important thing about those local elections. If SNS's loss of votes is proportional to the rest of Serbia then they'd lose parliamentary elections if they were held now.



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Why right wing and "white" nationalist are so hypocrite? Some of them are not even white but mixed which is contradicts with white nationalism, some of sleep or had hedonistic lifestyle and now they are "Christ pilled" or call themselves a "white nationalistT" (funny enought when I ask them to define white they call it "european" but cant specify, some of them hate hitler also) Why they think having hedonistic lyfestyle and stereotypes bout women is ok, but being gay is not ok. There is full of condradiction, that why right wing ideologies split into smaller factions, more specific. There is still smart people in right wing, but they dont call themselves "right or left wing" they call themselves "third positionist" or "deep ideological philosophical stuff". Its funny how they hate left wing, but when I talk to left wing they are smarter than right wing(sorry for my ESL)
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>Why right wing and "white" nationalist are so hypocrite? Some of them are not even white but mixed
Whiteness is a moving target. Many groups who used to not be considered "white" are now considered "white." So called "White" supremacism has to let "new" people in to stay relevant, which is why it is more open to hispanics, asians arabs, italians, and sometimes even jews, etc. than it used to be. At the end of the day, only the darkest sub saharan africans and aboriginal australians are probably permanently excluded from "white" supremacist politics.
>which is contradicts with white nationalism, some of sleep or had hedonistic lifestyle and now they are "Christ pilled"
Religious affiliation is often opportunistic. Religious institutions are powerful forces of reaction, so pretending to be "born again" in order to leverage their power is common. Opportunism is inherently hypocritical, and double standards are essential to wielding power. The sovereign decides the exception.
>(funny enought when I ask them to define white they call it "european" but cant specify, some of them hate hitler also
There's a lot of latin american neo nazis, and even tsagaan khas in mongolia
>Why they think having hedonistic lyfestyle and stereotypes bout women is ok, but being gay is not ok
the "right" or "reactionaies" are a broad tent political coalition, just like the "left" if you mean "both reformists and revolutionaries" so naturally you get lots of different types. As long as they are willing to collaborate on key issues, they'll ignore differences. Ernst Rohm of the NSDAP was gay, and they ignored this until they purged him.

>Whiteness is a moving target. Many groups who used to not be considered "white" are now considered "white." So called "White" supremacism has to let "new" people in to stay relevant, which is why it is more open to hispanics, asians arabs, italians, and sometimes even jews, etc. than it used to be. At the end of the day, only the darkest sub saharan africans and aboriginal australians are probably permanently excluded from "white" supremacist politics.
I think there is difference between white nationalism and ethno white nationlism, media call neonazis "white nationalist" but its not remotely true

>>2582617
>Religious affiliation is often opportunistic. Religious institutions are powerful forces of reaction, so pretending to be "born again" in order to leverage their power is common. Opportunism is inherently hypocritical, and double standards are essential to wielding power. The sovereign decides the exception.
Not all of them in movement like that so they set up hierarchy and order like himmler did, but it led to despotic power

Alunya is cute!
>why are right wingers hypocrite
Because it's not about morals or ideals or whatever, obviously. It's about capitalism. Whatever else is just a psyop to keep it running. You're either a psyopper or you took the kool-aid without questioning your beliefs in the first place.

>>2582696
depenhds not vall of right wing is capitalist some of them mix capitalism and socialism structure, its abouyt hypocrisy



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Why not nationalize merchant capital? It seems like a perfectly reasonable liberal democratic reform that is easily achievable under capitalism. The same way the government takes care of roads it should take care of staffing, education, commuting, communications, shipping, retail and logistics of all sorts. Industry should focus on making goods and providing services and not on costs like staffing, training skilled workers and shipping goods. All that stuff is pure overhead which is best nationalized. Picture unrelated.

>>2562816
some countries do this already (ex: in mexicos constitution)

el bumpo



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L/Acc Edition

Mods, don't move this thread to /latam/. This general is meant for English language discussion of Brazilian politics focusing on an international audience (think of it as our embassy on this board).

PT-BR: >>>/latam/13593
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>>2581755
They are in the "trust the plan" phase. Opportunists are trying to launch themselves as an "heir" to Bolsonaro's legacy while his family tries to keep the cohesion. Truth is, Lula is in a much more comfortable position with him in jail, as no alternative to Bolsonaro can match his popularity.

Call me when that dwarf stops cucking the brazilian working class (showed no solidarity when there was mass mobilization to end 6 day work week) and breast feeding bankers, speculators and rentiers.

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>>2581759
>his family tries to keep the cohesion
His family who?
His wife just messed up their plans for Ceará state, sparking Mr. former-4th-International-superstar's fury.

>>2581754
lol not a chance, I don't think they will release him but even if they do, his political powers are revoked and he can't run for anything until at least 2030. Someone from his family or some other oportunist close-ish to him will take his spot - I'm hoping his wife goes for it because all of Bolsonaro's sons absolutely despise her and that would be a pretty funny situation

>>2582176
Is she /ourgirl/?



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Dictatorship-era military officers rally in Argentina
FORMER military officers who served in Argentina’s brutal dictatorship and their families staged a rare rally at the weekend to push for the release of colleagues imprisoned for human rights abuses committed during the junta’s 1976-83 rule. Saturday’s demonstration was seen as a provocation in the country of “nunca mas,” the slogan that represents Argentina’s commitment to “never again” return to authoritarianism.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/dictatorship-era-military-officers-rally-argentina

Hundreds flee central Haiti after gangs launch large-scale attacks and burn homes
The bulk of Haiti’s police force and the Kenyan officers leading a UN-backed mission to help repel gangs are in the capital, Port-au-Prince, which itself is largely held by gangs. Guerby Simeus, a Pont-Sondé official, said on Monday that he had confirmed nearly a dozen deaths, including a mother and her child and a local government employee.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/01/haiti-armed-gangs-attack-artibonite

Nasry Asfura, conservative backed by Trump, takes lead in Honduras election according to early results
Conservative candidate Nasry Asfura of the National Party (PN), who received the endorsement of U.S. President Donald Trump ahead of the vote, is leading the count with 40.54% of votes and about 43% of polling places counted, according to preliminary results released by the National Electoral Council (CNE). Second place goes to Salvador Nasralla, of the Liberal Party, with about 38.99% of votes so far, and third place to Rixi Moncada of the governing Libre party with 19.49% of the votes, marking a sharp decline for the democratic socialist movement founded by former president Manuel Zelaya.
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Starbucks to pay $35M to NYC workers after city alleges years of abuses
The department began looking into dozens of complaints against Starbucks locations in 2022, eventually expanding its investigation to the hundreds of stores throughout the city. Mayuga said investigators documented more than half a million alleged violations of the city’s Fair Workweek Law, which requires retail and fast-food companies to give employees predictable schedules and advance notice of changes.
https://gothamist.com/news/starbucks-to-pay-35m-to-nyc-workers-after-city-alleges-years-of-abuses
https://archive.ph/62sZo

Zillow deletes climate risk data from listings after complaints it harms sales
In September last year, the online real estate marketplace introduced a tool showing the individual risk of wildfire, flood, extreme heat, wind and poor air quality for one million properties it lists, explaining that “climate risks are now a critical factor in home-buying decisions” for many Americans. But Zillow has now deleted this climate index in the wake of complaints from real estate agents and some homeowners that the rankings appeared arbitrary, could not be challenged and harmed house sales. The
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/dec/01/zillow-removes-climate-risk-data-home-listings

‘Shamelessly Corrupt’: Trump Frees Private Equity Executive Convicted of Defrauding 10,000+ Investors
David Gentile, the founder and former CEO of GPB Capital, was convicted of securities and wire fraud last year and sentenced to prison in May, but he ended up serving just days behind bars. The New York Times reported over the weekend that the White House “argued that prosecutors had falsely characterized the business as a Ponzi scheme.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/donald-trump-david-gentile

Idaho prison system reopens sexual abuse case, reverses finding after InvesPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

CP of Greece, The KKE salutes the mass uprising of toiling farmers and condemns government repression
On Sunday 30 November, Greek farmers began blocking major highways with tractors and other agricultural machinery. The government responded with repression, using chemicals, riot police and arrests to suppress the farmers’ mobilization, but these efforts proved futile in the face of the toiling farmers’ mass participation, determination and organized disobedience. The farmers are fighting for their future, to prevent their eventual extermination and to secure the chance to earn a decent living from their work in their villages. They are demanding support for their shrinking income, which has been eroded by the policies pursued by all governments that have consistently served the interests of business groups and implemented the guidelines of the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).
https://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Greece-The-KKE-salutes-the-mass-uprising-of-toiling-farmers-and-condemns-government-repression/

Inside Your Party Conference: Is This Farewell to Corbynism?
With the two-day founding conference for Your Party (and that is now the official name) concluded in Liverpool, Zarah Sultana has triumphed in a drawn out battle with former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. To rapturous applause from members, she’s staked out a new approach to leftwing politics in this country: socialist, democratic, decentralised and absolutely furious. But will it work? One of the more enjoyable features of attending Your Party’s founding conference in Liverpool was watching representatives of the mainstream press struggle to grasp the idea of a party under democratic control. One of the least enjoyable was watching them roll their eyes and sneer at the views of the 2,500 Your Party members sortitioned (selected by lottery) to attend. For many in the media and probably across the country too, democracy is framed by big figureheads whose pronouncements either do or do not attract voters. The relevance of the electorate lies not in voters’ opinions, but rather how they namelessly distribute across pie charts when the figureheads seek their endorsement once every few years. “What do you mean, what do you mean?” askePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybna

>Dictatorship-era military officers rally in Argentina
what is the cure for such behavior?



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org

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You "Asians" are so funny. My Grandpa's brother worked pro-bono to introduce you all to birth-control.

Jakarta takes #1 spot as largest city in the world

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>>2407507
Yeah bro that woman and guy are three metres tall. Why are "white" americans so annoying when it comes to asians and other brown people? We in Europe don't do that shit, I think it stems from american inferiority complexes towards white Europeans.

>>2574007
not a thred for your family history, shut up.

>>2407507
sexpats



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Next year marks 18 years since the Great Recession. There is going to be a massive black hole in consumption where the children of Millennials are supposed to be. A lot of people won't be turning 18 next year. They won't be on campus. They won't buy cars. They won't work and pay taxes. They certainly will never invest in the stock market or real estate.

As this happens, AI has already cleaned up the entry level knowledge work market. This process actually started in 2020 when Western students stopped paying tutors in Africa and Asia to write their crappy undergrad essays because of ChatGPT. I seriously think that if we don't beat concessions out of the ruling class in the 2030s, then we never will. They will figure out a way to install a surveillance state and abolish the proletariat with soma and techno-lobotomies.

Organize or else.
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>>2581021
>All this just to advocate gay ass social democracy
Ok then

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>>2581361
>Your faggy little book club?
Yes.

I think it's inevitable that they will roll out a paltry universal basic income along with the incoming central bank digital currencies that will act as a control system for the poor that can debank and impoverish anyone at any time while allowing some freedom to select treats. I think there is no intention nor possibility to bring back productive jobs barring a massive debt crisis from dedollarization that makes labor in the west cheap again and available for future Chinese investment. That is decades away and the elites would probably prefer ww3 instead

>>2581361
>that 100 million members of the CPC are incapable of grasping?
This jewish nigger believes in the marketplace in ideas. This is a two-hundred and seventy-third type of liberalism.
What's the largest organization you've been part of?

>>2581361
its funny how mad american leftists get when you shatter their delusion of china as a hecking saviour of the international proletariat



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