/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2556488
so when Vietnam freed itself from France that "didn't do shit?"

>>2556986
you got a block of quotes from marx engels and lenin, which you ignored, and then, grasping for straws, you found a parenti quote and decided to use it as an excuse to feel smug instead of formulate a counter argument

>>2557026
Why do you identify so much with the "west"?

Communists in 1941: " nazi germany must be destroyed"
Nazi: "they want to genocide us"

Telling on yourself

>>2562257
You are wrong on all levels. Stop spreading lies about Communism. This phony stagist line is not the official theory of the Communist Party. The creator of this phony three stagism admits it "follows a very different line" from the Communist Party, but also that it "differs in important respects" from Communist China's on-the-ground economic reality. Theory that fails to correspond to the material and economic base it seeks to describe is idealism. This phony three stage theory is a prescriptive checklist divorced from reality. This immediately nullifies all validity and disqualifies it as a representation of the CPC's theoretical framework.
<THIS PAPER FOLLOWS a very different line from China’s official classification of the primary stage of socialism in terms of productivity and standard of living, which in turn differs in important respects from current economic developments in China.
https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/on-the-three-stages-in-the-development-of-socialism/On%20the%20Three%20Stages%20in%20the%20Development%20of%20Socialism.pdf
>>2556866
The point of Scientific Socialism is to build Communism, not abolish markets. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist constPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2562264
The counter argument is simple. All westoids are wrong and i will demonstrate
>>2556725
>China intends to build socialism.
This is wrong. China is already socialist. You cite Mao only to contradict him. He Zhao says China has billionaires, but "billionaire" is an imperialist social relation. There is no capitalist private property in China, so there is neither billionaires nor capitalism in China.
Rodrick is also wrong.
<Taken together, these accounts tell a pretty compelling and straightforward story: a worker state led by a vanguard party has placed the productive forces developed by capitalism under human control once again, for the benefit of the many rather than the few, and so definitively begun the complex and difficult transition away from capitalism and into communism that we call socialism.
The "transition away from" capitalism was completed in China in by 1956, so rodrick is wrong because he defies Communist Party. https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/8th_congress.htm
Parenti is wrong because 20 years ago he said china was neoliberal and that the chinese were poor and colonizing tibet. He is wrong today because he suggests that China is not purely socialist and that westoid imperialists and their agents are in fact "pure socialists."

>>2562169
I don't know about all that, but A LOT of South Africans are teaching english in China

Damn that's crazy, you mean to tell me these 'gen z protests' are inorganic color revolutions funded by and supported by international capital?

Who would have thought!

New Age Verification Bills Could Ban VPNs, Jeopardize the Privacy of Millions
In Wisconsin, Senate Bill 130 proposes that sites use “reasonable age verification methods” and requires the publishers and distributors of “material harmful to minors” to prevent access from known VPN IP addresses. Under the bill, entities in violation of the law would be subject to civil penalties. In Michigan, House Bill 4938 takes it a step further and proposes an all-out ban on VPNs entirely. The lawmakers in support of the bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act, want internet service providers in the state to “actively monitor and block known circumvention tools.” The bill prohibits “the promotion or sale of circumvention tools to access prohibited material.” Violators would be subject to civil and criminal penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of up to $500,000 under the proposed legislation.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/new-age-verification-bills-could-ban-vpns-jeopardize-the-privacy-of-millions/
https://archive.ph/vRZXq

Bruce Harrell concedes Seattle's mayoral race to Katie Wilson
Wilson, who has been called "the Zohran Mamdani of Seattle," appealed to many voters concerned about affordability, housing, homelessness, and public safety. Wilson has never held elected office and is a co-founder of the Transit Riders Union, an advocacy group for improved public transportation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/14/katie-wilson-seattle-mayor-bruce-harrell/87258593007/
https://archive.ph/axtYi

She’s challenging Bass from the left. Could she become L.A.’s Mamdani?
Huang, who is planning a campaign launch on Sunday, is shying away from comparisons to Mamdani, a democratic socialist who was elected mayor of New York City last week. She has not been endorsed by DSA-LA, though she hopes to be. Nevertheless, she sees next year’s electPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2562004
>Violators would be subject to civil and criminal penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of up to $500,000 under the proposed legislation.

Insanity heaped upon madness.

(TRUE ANON ) Episode 502: Red Scare
We welcome back Aaron Leonard to have an in-depth talk about his new book, MENACE OF OUR TIME: The Long War Against American Communism
https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-502-red-143572606

The immigration debate in Quebec explained
The immigration debate regularly makes headlines in Quebec. The Parti Québécois, which leads the polls, has made immigration one of its main campaign issues. They promise to reduce immigration to relieve pressure on public services, tackle the housing crisis, and slow the decline of the French language. The CAQ has historically made a lot of noise about this issue. But it now finds itself between a rock and a hard place, having presided over a significant increase in immigration despite its promise to “take in fewer but take care of them.” Even the Quebec Liberal Party claims that Quebec’s “integration capacity” has been exceeded. What should be the communist position on this issue?
https://www.marxist.ca/article/the-immigration-debate-in-quebec-explained

The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir: Conclusion
‘NO, WOMAN is not our brother; through indolence and deceit we have made of her a being apart, unknown, having no weapon other than her sex, which not only means constant warfare but unfair warfare – adoring or hating, but never a straight friend, a being in a legion with esprit de corps and freemasonry – the defiant gestures of the eternal little slave.’
Many men would still subscribe to these words of Laforgue; many think that there will always be ‘strife and dispute’, as Montaigne put it, and that fraternity will never be possible. The fact is that today neither men nor women are satisfied with each other. But the question is to know whether there is an original curse that condemns them to rend each other or whether the conflicts in which they are opposed merely mark a transitional moment in human history. Legends notwithstanding, no physiological destiny imposes an eternal hostility upon Male and Female as such; even the famous praying mantis devours her male only for want of other food and for the good of the species: it is to this, the specPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thank you based news anon

>>2562035
new thread

>>2562015
Yeah I really want to run a piece on how reddit is the most fed controlled platform on the internet.

>>2562062
Touch on Ashooh, Eglin Air Force Base, Shadowbanning, Power Mods, Israel Lobby, Banned Subs (Chapotraphouse), Quarantined Subs (GenZedong), maybe also the suicide of one of the founders when he faced 30-something years in prison downloading academic papers without paying for them (which AI companies now do with total impunity to train their models, while he had been doing it to make research free, which is of course why he got prosecuted)

>>2561787
Yes, a strong executive seizing power because of a gridlock in the legislature. Definitely something that only happened in bourgeois republics and not in the USSR during the Stalinist period

>>2559097
Good economy

>>2554155
Honestly, if I were king of the CPC, I would just have the state invest a couple of billion (trivial at the government scale) into non-profit foreign stock market manipulation aimed at causing economic distrust.

>>2555719
>describing this as a socialist revolution
Chinese tech isn't locked down, the proletariat can re-configure the software and modify the hardware by adding or removing their own parts to fit their material conditions. AppleTV degenerates are literally regressed into pre-modern neofeudal serfs who think technology is magic that only the priest class can control. Neoliberals would literally be afraid and shocked if you opened up their phone case lol
>just turning apple consumers into huawei consumers
China makes tech for adult humans, they don't sell glossy, frictionless baby products for domesticated cattle who can't legally repair their own stuff.

>Will it be in our lifetime?
Depends on what you mean by collapse. The hegemonic position of the U.S. will, I believe anyway, absolutely end within our life time. But overall I would expect a protracted, asymmetrical decline over outright “collapse”.

>>2561504
It's never gonna go away entirely. Russia is still around, it has some relevance, might even reconstruct the USSR at some point. It's just too awesome for geographical reasons. Pakistan or Nigeria will never have the resources or water security that America has no matter how many hundreds of millions they have in population.
With that said, things are already so much worse for America than most people realize because they are not insane news addicts. They do not have a hegemonic world position at in 2025 already. They do not have the best technology. They do not have military production. The revered media dominance is also slipping away. They do still have many guano rats who will make lives worse for millions of people, but there are next to none being made anymore. They will run out for natural reasons and that will be the end of it. America will be a country rather than the bourgeois country.

I wouldn't expect America to collapse but apparently very few saw the USSR collapsing when it did so who knows. Things move fast in the modern world.

about two weeks or so.

Week One
<H5N1 rapidly grows within the United States. Biowarfare or a natural result of viral mutations, no one knows, but dramatically reduced surveillance and monitoring only compounds the effects. H3N2 and a mismatched flu vaccine creates a particularly bad season in the United States, with undetected human infection of H5N1, leading to a reassortment event and rapid spread as mask fatigue provides memetic tinder.

Week Two
<Americans do not follow disinfection and quarantine protocols. There is a 50% infection rate. 50% of those infected quickly die. This includes skilled professionals responsible for the management of basic services like the ability to maintajn nuclear power plants, water treatment centers, electrical substations, distribution networks, so on and so forth. Memetic (boomer) culture of refusing to rapidly train and deploy workers exacerbates this skills gap leading to the breakdown of civilization.

Week Three
<The United States as an empire is no longer able to apply force projection, leading to the end of its hegemony. Its people are forced to reimagine what America even is as they pick up the pieces of a broken and collapsed civilization. Your response is captured in the screenshot.

>>2561258
The PZPR gave them literacy and comfy housing in Silesia incomparison to their hovels in Brest. Oh the horror

>>2560261
They won't outlaw KPP because it's a honeypot and this is just a strategy to gain attention, they already did this before

>>2561267
You're an evil tankie.

>The report tracks over 21 million tonnes of crude oil and refined fuels delivered to Israel between November 2023 and October 2025, including jet fuel used for military aircrafts.
>Twenty-five countries delivered 323 shipments of crude oil and refined products to Israel, totaling 21.2 million tonnes.
>Azerbaijan (via Turkey) and Kazakhstan (via Russia) supplied around 70% of crude oil.
FUCK Russia and FUCK Ziggers.

>>2561456
What are your sources for that claim?

>>2561621
Yes, my post is supportive.

>>2561611
do you think aliens gets humanation? is there dialectical materialism on other planets?

>see ummm communism is actually about le humankind and not just the proletariat because its going to make everyone le good vibes
> le epic emancipation should be a concern even to the bourgeois
i hate leftoids so much man

>>2561611
>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work
have you seen Bresson's tragic donkey movie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_hasard_Balthazar
liberals have nothing but contempt for people who care about the exploitation of their slave laborers whose moral crisis makes them scoff and sneer:
<Ingmar Bergman said, "this Balthazar, I didn't understand a word of it, it was so completely boring … A donkey, to me, is completely uninteresting, but a human being is always interesting."
"I am only interested in stories by my fellow naval-gazing petite bourgeois degenerates like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty" (an Epstein type guy btw)
>>2561780
>do you think aliens gets humanation? is there dialectical materialism on other planets?
how about aliens on your own?
>"The film's religious imagery, spiritual allegories and naturalistic, minimalist aesthetic style have since been widely praised by reviewers. In 2005, James Quandt referred to it as a "brief, elliptical tale about the life and death of a donkey" that has "exquisite renderings of pain and abasement" and "compendiums of cruelty" that tell a powerful spiritual message. In 2003, J. Hoberman stated, "Robert Bresson's heart-breaking and magnificent Au Hasard Balthazar (1966) – the story of a donkey's life and death in rural France – is the supreme masterpiece by one of the greatest of 20th-century filmmakers." Manohla Dargis views Au hasard Balthazar as "one of the greatest films in history", writing that it "stirs the heart and soul as much as the mind." Roger Ebert argued, "The genius of Bresson's approach is that he never gives us a single moment that could be described as one of Balthazar's 'reaction shots.' Other movie animals may roll their eyes or stomp their hooves, but Balthazar simply walks or waits, regarding everything with the clarity of a donkey who knows he is a beast of burden, and that his life consists of either bearing or not bearing […] This is the cinema of empathy.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2561611
How will socialism solve alienation? As usually described it sounds like a problem with mass industrial society. You're still gonna work at a factory/mine/office and not control your product. That's up to party apparatchiks. Even they wouldn't really be in control. Like Ellul says, in industrial society no one is really responsible. Everyone just has their own little job to do and beyond that it's a giant machine.

>>2548966
>the ratio between patriots and liberals was 50/50, probably now is around 60/40 or slightly worse
"patriots" 40, "liberals" 60 [since 2022]
reactionaries 100. all of them

>>2536640
this has made me wonder why there isnt a soy/chudjak board on this site yet

>>2536374
I'm gonna be real with you OP as it's because a lot of people who are on the far left now used to be on the right or damn near went in that direction when they were younger and thus you see a lot of people do the same shit but with a red flag thrown over it. I know because I ended up on this board due to being involved in Gamer Gate while also paradoxically finding out about Anarchist Catalonia and thus when the mask dropped with Gamer Gate and I ended up realizing that I was shoulder to shoulder with literal Nazis I really got into using this board and reading theory.

That said though due to being a minor when I first got into here I had a lot of the same thought patterns and did a lot of the same bullshit that I did in my anti-SJW phase just with a leftist coat of paint. Then when I learned a bit more about anti-racism and feminism I dropped a lot of that behavior but I'm gonna be honest it's strange in retrospect because I managed to still do a lot of the same shit and didn't realize it. Added to that in the time period I moved away from this board and started to move towards actual groups which ended up being very funny in retrospect because the /leftypol/ board genuinely did make a huge impact on Internet leftism but due to the purity culture of many socialist spaces it's basically an open secret that is very rarely acknowledged until one gets in private one on one conversations with people who can be very trusted.

Anyways, back to my point the part that made me realize that a lot of us operate on a lot of the same thought patterns with different political ideologies painted over them is the subject of guns. While I'm not anti-gun it was when I made friends with people in Portland that made me realize that left-wing gun culture is basically the same militia LARP that right-wing idiots do but with a red and/or black and/or trans flags thrown over them. Again, I'm not anti gun but having an AR-15 is not going to make you and your friends be able to overthrow the US Government despite not doing jack shit to actually get the masses on board/doing things that actively alienate them such as purity testing because you're over compensating for the time you were a CHUD.

Anyways while I noticed this I still held out hope for my dumb ass "friends" until I began to notice that a lot of people began to split for purity reasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2561177
PS I know this is hypocritical given that I am posting on this board but if y'all really want to build a movement I recommend creating a movement that focuses less on using the Internet and organizing in real life. While the Internet is useful and is not going to go away this definitely adds to a lot of leftism especially in the states being LARP in spite of living conditions going down. Especially in the case of the Internet it is fueling the increasing isolation of the average person and thus if you can get people to focus on their immediate community around them then you're much more likely to succeed/give people hope that your ideas work. So much of misery is from being addicted/overstimulated from Internet that it is important give people a practical alternative/have people be actually connected to the community around them.

>>2536374
Left takes itself too seriously while rightoids own the fact that they are retarded but funny.

>>2551288
>Absolute majority of armenoids, like every judeochristian is a rabid zionist who jerk off too israhellas they see them as a neocrusader
Azerbaijan has an established relationship with Israel as well.
>armenoids are literally the only nation in the region not recognizing Palestine
This is just made up.
>in the 90s armenoids invaded azeri territory and did to them exactly what zionists are doing to palestinians.
Even if this was true it would not be an excuse for what they have done to Armenian citizens and Armenian cultural sites. Azerbaijan kills Armenian civilians with weapons provided by Israel and NATO help and no amount of twisting the truth can change that.

>>2551292
This is 1:1 an Israeli talking point.

>>2551696
No, armenoid irredentism is IDENTICAL to zionism tho
>>2553540
It's literally what these western leftists think. It """israelis""" start branding themselves as communists tomorrow they'd totally cheer on charring and starving palestinian babies

>>2553566
>It """israelis""" start branding themselves as communists tomorrow they'd totally cheer on charring and starving palestinian babies
You are closer to this than anyone else. Azerbaijan is killing babies, not Armenia.

>>2553566
>No, armenoid irredentism is IDENTICAL to zionism tho
What Armenian irredentism? For actual irredentist imperial expansionism see >>2550374