/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2501544
You do it for me

Having studied both bourgeois and proletarian revolutions from the 1600s to now I think the general pattern is not what OP is saying. The pattern is more like:

>General decline of an old system
< Some elements of that old system try and reform it from the inside
> They either fail to reform it or don't go far enough to satisfy the masses
< The masses get educated, agitated, organized, and militant, usually under some vanguard leadership
> they smash and overthrow the old order, and they seize the machinery of governance, or make their own new machinery
< having won, the most ideologically pure members of the vanguard of the revolution immediately begin fighting one another, and purge internal elements of the vanguard that are accused of being either inadequately revolutionary, or secretly reactionary
> meanwhile, outside reactionary forces try to overthrow the revolution by arming and training reactionaries
< the most conservative forces of the revolution take power from the most ideologically pure and try to stabilize the situation, while at the same time dealing with the fragility of the revolutionary state by trying to actually govern society normally, and handle the counter revolutionary forces on the outside who are trying to overthrow the revolution. sometimes they handle the counter revolutionaries through war, other times through clever diplomacy and trade.
> the revolutionary forces are either overthrown or they succeed and become a stable government. if they are overthrown, go back to step 1. if they succeed…
< there is a period of stability and good governance, but systems tend to ossify and become corrupt, leading back to the beginning, but in a new age, and under new conditions, new class relations, a new mode of production, etc.

>>2501885

So Whats the point of being an a communist member before and right after the revolution? Just wait to jump in the moment they succeed and just went they start ossifying. Otherwise its too risky.

>>2501911
because otherwise it wont happen. and internal purges and factionalism, why they might be a near inevitability to some extent, dont need to be nearly as extensive as many historical examples. the PRC e.g., even with the chaos and instability of the cultural revolution, still managed major shifts in political leadership and ideology without major ruptures in continuity of governance and maintained experienced cadre through those crises.

Mounta Athos is based and you are cringe.

BOOMP

I'm surprised the radlibs haven't driven a wedge into MAGA chudism by raising a stink about 4chan as a cauldron of antisemitism. You just know Trump would compel tech companies, providers, etc. to null route the thing.

>foodist nazis not soyteens

There is no difference.

>>2412679
unironically, a massive propaganda campaign as intense as the one the right has been pushing for years
anything else won't work

Blacked

Why isnt latin america considered part of the west? and being mixed race doesn't even disqualify it if the USA is the westest

"the west" is code for "countries that exploited others & didn't get properly punished for it after WW2"
literally the bourgeois on an international level
the axis were rightfully crushed, but the allies get to act like they've done no wrong

>>2537306
>properly punished for it
spooky
either you take the bag from the ruling class or you don't
there is no "proper" "punishment"

>>2537335
Amoral scum like you, Marx, and any of his acolytes will be an obstacle

>>2537335
the only people that could've truly punished them at the time were the anarchists, but marxists kept on getting in the way
we'd have some anarcho-communist strongholds today, if marxist socialists hadn't been so obsessed with needing a state back then

>>2535061
>although it was almost certainly only a pretext
Yeah there are now indications that the STG only did it because the French government told them to. They were completely fine with the foreign group for years as HTS.

>>2536253
I assumed as much. This has been a big story in france, one of the girls who were groomed by him had a brother who came and tried to rescue her and filmed it to make a documentary, there were a lot of articles all around it and Omar became the most well known french jihadi.

Well, that's an interesting development:
<Jamal Maarouf , former leader of FSA group “Syrian Revolutionaries Front” Joins the SDF, to Lead New Corps Uniting Syrian Opposition Members
Also:
<Talal Selo sure make it seems to be hinting he intends to return to the SDF, or at the very least has cordial relations with them.
>https://x.com/TalalSelo2/status/1980959241646305706
He turned traitor a while ago, some people said the turks had his family.

>>2532045 (samefag)
Pretty comprehensive thread on this incident as it progressed:
https://xcancel.com/JnoubiSyrian/status/1980695951275880862

Statement from PKK:
"Considering the very serious threats related to the future of Turkey and the Kurds, posed by the conflicts and wars in the Middle East, and following the statements made by the President of Turkey, MHP Chairman Devlet Bahçeli, and Leader Abdullah Öcalan, a new process was started in Turkey. This process gained its own identity after Leader Abdullah Öcalan’s “Call for Peace and Democratic Society” on February 27, 2025. The process is now going through a very critical and important phase.

During the last 8 months, we, as the Kurdish side, have taken very historic steps within the framework of the "Call for Peace and Democratic Society”. In order to facilitate the creation of a peaceful and convenient context for due discussions, we declared, immediately after the Call, a unilateral ceasefire on March 1, 2025. Based on the directions of Leader Abdullah Öcalan, which he conveyed to us through proper channels, we convened the PKK’s 12th congress on 5-7 May, 2025, terminated the organizational structure of the PKK and its strategy of armed struggle. At the same time, we declared that these resolutions can only be put into practice via the direct management of Leader Abdullah Öcalan. Two months later, based on the video-call of Leader Abdullah Öcalan, the 30-person-strong “Group for Peace and Democratic Society”, led by the Co-Chair of KCK’s Executive Council, Besê Hozat, burned their weapons in a ceremony, thereby manifesting our clear and decisive attitude as to terminating the strategy of armed struggle.

These historic steps, taken by the Kurdish side and pioneered by Leader Abdullah Öcalan and the PKK, deeply influenced the social and political context in Turkey as they created a new spirit and resolve for peace and democratization. This courageous and self-sacrificing attitude of the Kurds for peace, democracy and freedom was widely appreciated within Turkey and abroad.

Despite all the negative and insufficient approaches towards our steps, Leader Abdullah Öcalan and the Kurdistan Freedom Movement are still working on taking new practical steps which would clear the way for taking the process of “Peace and Democratic Society” to its second phase. In doing so, they are aiming at eliminating the increasing threats against Turkey and the Kurds and laying the foundations for a free, democratic, and fraternal life for the coming centuries. Accordingly, the resolutions of PKK’s 12th Congress had foreseen and pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Materialist explanation?
https://www.indigenousembassy.org/
https://indigenousfriendsofisrael.org/
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/02/07/meet-the-indigenous-people-who-support-israel/
https://www.indigenouscoalition.org/

The entity struck in Lebanon again

>>2536613
You know, I blame Iran for all that. They were too cowardly to support Hezbollah when it was needed, to avoid conflict with Israel and the US. In the end it didn't matter and Israel/US attacked them anyway.
So stupid.

>>2536591
evangelical animals. that's it

>>2536591
Who is funding these groups

So what did he actually do in M19? Why was M19 so short lived compared to the other Colombian guerrilla groups?

>>2536416
>Is he on the way to become our modern-day Allende?
NO
PETRO WILL WIN
MUERA ESTADOS UNIDOS

>>2536424
>So what did he actually do in M19?
Nothing important, he was just a young militant.

>Why was M19 so short lived compared to the other Colombian guerrilla groups?
<Internationally isolated, M-19 saw itself unable to continue the armed struggle: As late as 1988, an attempt was made to solicit weapons shipments from Socialist East Germany, but, following reservations from the Ministry of National Defense, the Foreign Ministry, and the Ministry for State Security, the request was denied in the end. The M-19 eventually gave up its weapons, received pardons and became a political party in the late 1980s, the M-19 Democratic Alliance ("Alianza Democrática M-19", or (AD/M-19)), which renounced the armed struggle. Eventually the M-19 returned Bolívar's sword as a symbol of its demobilization and desire to change society through its participation in legal politics.

>>2536416
>>Made agrarian reform possible despite land grabbers
explain?

>>2536358
>>2536352
I think this is an oversimplification, Marx could have easily predicted post-modernism here. The new spooks are more akin to animism and pagan deities than the 'classic' Christian/monotheistic/monolithic spooks. Less totalizing, decentrally oppressive, and instead of a dogmatist conception of truth, ever relativizing.

As for the relationship of the sexes, just looking at the divorce rates, failsons and faildaughters, the general state of childrearing influenced heavily by capitalist tech products, and the resulting anhedonia, attention deficit, and the generalized illiteracy of kids, is pointing to the fact that the form (bourgeois family) remained with its content (reproducing society on this societal/sexual condition) hollowed out.

Both interlinked phenomena, the general zeitgeist and the (dys)functioning of the bourgeois family unit, can be traced from the Marx quote, imo. Even within these realms capitalism is unable to revolutionize or even reform itself, the limitations being set by its core functioning principles (profit motive, market distribution, imperialist division of the general human population, etc.).

>>2536352
>most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity
my uyghur be living in iran or smth smh

no we're not, the most conservative, religious, and superstitious era was the 6th to the 12th century, and we are certainly more "advanced than the ancients" in every respect, if you somehow believe right now is more reactionary than 632 CE, when what was left of the progressive proto-capitalist pagan institutions had been finally raped to death and the result was the era of feudalism, then you are delusional

>>2537028
Superstition yesterday was ghosts and fairies now we got ghosts and aliens and human rights and some entity caleld "history."

>>2537038
>religion is when abstract concepts
damn that's deep

oh this is a JAQing off racism thread in disguise. he tried to hold it in for a while but now he's doing muh crime statistics muh behavioral genetics

>>2533736
>all this yapping
more worthless religious scripture
>READ THESE BOOKS
why should i when i have a functioning mind?
>>2534552
if you shot suffering people in the head, all their bad feelings go away. is this good?
>>2534572
you were right in your first paragraph then entirely fell off.

>>2534838

For certain kinds of utilitarian, yes. For some some of them its even the optimal way to proceed.

I don't necessarily myself consider it good though (and I am not any variant of utilitarian).

My main point though was that normative differences play an essential role in determining differences in answers to some of these questions.

>>2533106
>one side wants everyone to be slaves to some elite whereas the other side wants everyone to be equal and happy

True but not the way you imagined.

>>2534838
>you were right in your first paragraph then entirely fell off.
no counter argument just assertions

>>2499845
>consciousness causes collapse
this isn't even the mainstream view. the collapse is caused by 'observation' which is the same thing as physical interaction eg a rock next to a rock collapse each other

>>2499923
>just merely observing something can cause a change in it because
its called the measurement problem and it happens because everything is interrelational. measuring something, even light with eyes or a camera, is the same as physically touching it, so of course it changes. not just the object but also the observer. it actually does happen instantaneously, reality has been proven nonlocal, but the information cant be interpreted by a conscious agent because of the speed limit. bohmian mechanics solves the measurement problem by not isolating the observer from the observed in the system. or as hegel says "substance is subject". this proves meterialist dialectics to be correct and the motivated reasoning for remaining in this ignorance holds scientific advancements back

>>2499944
Also from a purely scientific perspective, the Big Bang narrative arises by ‘rewinding’ the current cosmological equations. Problem is, these cosmological theories have stuff like dark matter and dark energy which have ZERO evidence so far.
So we cannot even trust that model for current observations without the ‘magic’ of dark matter and dark energy, but sure, lets reverse the time direction, obtain a singularity and believe that without question.
A singularity in mathematics denotes a region where a modle breaks down or atleast a region not described by the model, it is not something one is supposed to just accept as correct.

>>2500139

I personally suspect that the Chinese concept of the Tao is the closest we've ever gotten to a model that illustrates the real fundamental truth that unifies all of existence. I think that beneath all the emergent phenomenona there is one fundamental Truth that is infinite and inherently unknowable and cannot be described with any language because information is a product of distinction between two discrete things.

>>2500383
i think its a reasonable conclusion but since the observer is the observed we can derive absolute truths about the universe since we are a part of it. truths that hold for one hold for the other, as above so below. lenin got really mad at this for what he called "agnosticism", the type of thing where people like kant say we cant know the thing in it self. if reality is in principle unknowable then we cant really know if anything exists and you ultimately fall into solipsism or at least something like descartes demon or the modern version which is simulation theory. just because a thing is indescribable by the nature of it being a part of the whole and us not having infinite time to list its properties in relations, which would be in the end describing everything, as we are limited by our existence as finite beings, doesn't mean it is unknowable in principle. our ability to discover and use these natural laws is proof that we are apprehending something real about the system of which we are a part and so material practice overcomes theoretical agnosticism. its not that the universe is unknowable, it is actually infinitely knowable, and life is one of the ways it knows. i dont get as mad because like i said i think it makes sense we just have to be careful not to be neoplatonic that the One is some kind of ideal nor matter as an object in vulgar materialism but matter in motion as a relation.

IV. The Two Great Camps in the World of Today and the Path of the National Liberation Movement

As indicated above, the national question in the present-day world is essentially a question of the exploitation and oppression, or attempted exploitation and oppression, of the nations the world over by American imperialism as well as the struggles of all nations in the world against the oppression and exploitation by American imperialism in order to achieve national liberation or to defend national independence.

Even during the Second World War, the American imperialists had made their plans for plundering and oppressing all the nations of the world. After the war, they put the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan into operation, thus step by step bringing many countries and nations of the world under their own control and rule, preparing a network of military bases throughout the world, setting their foot in all countries and intervening in the domestic affairs of other countries. All these activities stemmed from their ambitious and aggressive plans. And their aggressive plans, just like those of Hitler, ᴉuᴉlossnW and the Japanese warlords, are being carried out under the slogan of “defence against the Soviet Union, defence against Communism.”

In order to put their plans for the enslavement of the whole world into operation, the American imperialists have no alternative but to do all they can to mobilize the people of their own country in support of their plans and to suppress all forces among the people of their own country who oppose their plans. Thus, they have to carry out propaganda among the American people about the “theory” of the so-called “American Century” and the “theory” of the “superiority of the white race”, declaring that the United States should “lead the world” and that all the nations of the world should be brought under its rule. Therefore, the American imperialists are persecuting the Communist Party of the United States, the progressive American trade unions and the progressive movement of the American people. They are establishing a fascist-like rule in the United States, for otherwise they would not be able to put their plans into effect.

In order to put their plans for world domination into operation, the American imperialists have no alternative but to do all they can to oppose all the world forces that are fighting against the realisation of such plans. Thus, they are opposing the U.S.S.R., the NPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2536970
We are in the era of AI and the fourth industrial revolution. China has already surpassed the US in the commanding heights of the economy. When the founders of marxism-leninism talked about a transitional step such as the NEP, for very very different situations. Even then they pointed out the dialectic relationship of the productive forces to the relationships of production. In the April theses Lenin stopped talking about a transitional stage, and rejected the menshevik notion that socialism should wait until capitalism is developed (it was already developed, the fact that Russia was as developed as England didn't mean it wasn't capitalism for Lenin). The experience of the first five year plan under Stalin proved that the only way to catch up to the imperialists is to deepen the socialist relations of production not go backwards to capitalism. Today, everywhere the material conditions for socialist revolution are ripe.

>>2537013
>China has already surpassed the US in the commanding heights of the economy.
in absolute numbers maybe but they also have five times as many people they have to feed and shelter

>>2536265
>can we say that it is progressive
Yes
but at what cost?!

V.The Progressive Character of Bourgeois Nationalism in Given Historical Conditions and the Marxist-Leninist Attitude Toward Such Nationalism

Marxism-Leninism considers all questions in their historical settings. Marxism-Leninists view bourgeois nationalism under the given historical conditions. Drawing a distinction between its different objective roles, they decide what different attitudes the proletariat should take toward it.

In the early period of capitalism, the national movement led by the bourgeoisie had as its objective the struggle against oppression by other nations and the creation of a national state. This national movement was historically progressive, and the proletariat supported it.

In the present period, such bourgeois nationalism still exists in the colonial and semi-colonial countries. This variety of nationalism also has a certain objective progressive historical significance.

The bourgeoisie of Europe, the United States, and Japan has established the imperialist system of colonial and semi-colonial oppression in many backward countries. In such colonial and semi-colonial countries as China, India, Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet-Nam, Burma, Egypt, etc., bourgeois nationalism naturally developed. This was because the national bourgeoisie in these countries has interests antagonistic in the first place to those of imperialism, and in the second place to those of the domestic backward feudal forces. Moreover, these feudal forces unite with imperialism in restricting and hampering the development of the national bourgeoisie. Therefore, the national bourgeoisie in these countries is revolutionary in a certain historical period and to a certain degree. Bourgeois nationalism in these countries has a decidedly progressive significance when the bourgeoisie mobilize the masses in the struggle against imperialism and the feudal forces. As Lenin pointed out (in a speech delivered at the Second Congress of the Eastern Peoples), nationalism of this type “ has historical justification ” . Therefore the proletariat, with the aim of overthrowing the rule of imperialism and the feudal forces, should collaborate with this bourgeois nationalism which plays a defiantly anti-imperialist and anti-feudal role provided, as Lenin said, that these allies do not hinder us in educating and organizing the peasantry and the broad masses of theexploited people in a revolutionary spirit. The clearest example of this type ofPost too long. Click here to view the full text.