/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2546215
>the high-agreeability left would never say something as vulgar as "Our opponents are just plain stupid"

You taking the piss mate?

>>2547173
>you'll notice for example that societies with clustered I.Q.s like in scandanavia, there is the poverty of mediocrity, while in wider I.Q. fields you get a vital sample. a high-trust, low-crime society is a dead society, and equally "asian" in its standardised teleology.

To me, it sounds like vaguely Nietzschean-sounding, ad hoc cope to deal with the fact that the US has a massive economic inequality problem that translates into a hardcore homeless/drug addict problem in some of the richest cities of the world like S.F., L.A., Seattle, NYC, Philadelphia, Portland…
Singapore and Shanghai are also rich as fuck, are Old Nick's favorite cities, and you will never see such problems accelerated to such a degree there. Even in Hanoi which is poorer, you will never see 50 bended-like-an-U drug addicts on a sidewalk full of trash.
It's really cope for a declining elite of venture capitalists and skilled workers living in SF or NYC who want to keep their huge revenues within an highly US inflated market causing a sharp decline of standards of living for everyone else.
The real mediocrity is the practical solution provided by the Dork Enlightenment: live in gated communities like in South Africa. NYC lost its cultural influence in the world for a reason during the last couple of decades.

>>2547267
there is an inevitability of a well-regulated chaos within a hellenic cosmopolitanism however - if we permit the cosmopolis ("society of the world") then we will create wealth inequality and also wealth opportunity. eroding borders would mean doing away with the artificial stratification of the north/south and so a new way of living would exist. nietzsche for example, expressly promotes race-mixing as a strategy for eugenics (not by preserving purity, but by the process of purification, in combining many aspects into one), which is entirely contrary to current right-wing myopia, which wants to end history altogether. the consciousness of the "radical right" (t. jonathan bowden) is not "conservative", but is a revaluation of all values, and particularly, socratism and christianity. i would say that new thinking can also be old thinking, without of course, spoilation through a "platonism for the masses".

>>2547229
Note how it's framed as a joke about bushes speaking style and flatters the reader's intelligence by relying on them getting the philosophical reference rather than just saying "republicans are retards lol!!" Directly.
(And even then, just calling your opponents dumb is different from actually analysing them on the basis of their stupidity)

>>2539663
I saw a documentary like that. It was on East Germany and there was a sob story about a woman arrested for spying and how terrifying it was (which I'm sure it was) and then at the very end it mentioned she had been recruited by British intelligence (it was a British documentary) and I was like OH COME ON

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>>2484747
>>2484747
COAL

>>2539489
I think this does a lot to explain a lot of the Japanese socialists-turned fascists. I always saw Inejiro Asanuma as a very confusing figure but now he seems very coherent.
Basically, pre-fascist Japanese Communists were not really amongst the proletariat, they were mostly intellectuals.
By the way one of the only Japanese works on marxists.org is a guy complaining about this and begging for more integration with the masses https://www.marxists.org/nihon/yamakawa/1922/00001.htm
These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.
Hence, Asanuma joins the Labor-Farmer Party, Takabatake translates all three volumes of Capital, etc etc.
But then, Japanese imperialism really ramps up in the 1930s. All of a sudden, the Japanese bourgeois politicians go from hapless in the face of the catastrophe, to worshipping the military and pushing for imperial conquest. It seems like the crisis of Japanese capitalism can be resolved without socialism after all, by subjugating Asia.
So, all of these socialists, who care first and foremost about the Japanese national project, decide that the imperial path to resolving the crisis is far more feasible than the socialist path, and decide to convert to the most enthusiastic supporters of imperial conquest. For example, Takabatake establishes the Kenkokukai and Asanuma leads the charge in expelling Saito Takao from the National Diet after he questions the war.
Then, Japan surrenders. The Imperial path becomes completely off the table, and Japan is occupied by the United States, which waves the threat of incorporating various islands as UN trust territories. So, being genuine nationalists (I don't use that as a positive, just as a differentiator from the LDP politicians), they decide that the most feasible way to create a secure Japanese national state is to completely backpedal, Asanuma becomes a leading voice in the Pacifist movement and in cooperating with the PRC and the rest of Asia. InternationalPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2548306
>These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.

isnt this most succesful socialist revolutions? It seems nationalism and socialism ironically fit together the most

>>2548383
Yes, but if that's your only principle, it can also lead to siding with fascism if that seems a more feasible solution.

>>2547964
huh i wonder what was hapening in 1914 that made him write that

<The whole task of the proletarians in the national question is “unpractical” from the standpoint of the nationalist bourgeoisie of every nation, because the proletarians, opposed as they are to nationalism of every kind, demand “abstract” equality; they demand, as a matter of principle, that there should be no privileges, however slight. Failing to grasp this, Rosa Luxemburg, by her misguided eulogy of practicality, has opened the door wide for the opportunists, and especially for opportunist concessions to Great-Russian nationalism[…]
<Carried away by the struggle against nationalism in Poland, Rosa Luxemburg has forgotten the nationalism of the Great Russians, although it is this nationalism that is the most formidable at the present time. It is a nationalism that is mere feudal than bourgeois, and is the principal obstacle to democracy and to the proletarian struggle. The bourgeois nationalism of any oppressed nation has a general democratic content that is directed against oppression, and it is this content that we unconditionally support, At the same time we strictly distinguish it from the tendency towards national exclusiveness; we fight against the tendency of the Polish bourgeois to oppress the Jews, etc., etc.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch04.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/bio/media/marx/79_01_05.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/liu-shaoqi/1952/internationalism_nationalism/ch05.htm

>>2547525
Based Analysis Comrade MaoAnon, anyone who denies the existence of Nations is a Dumb Liberal Idealist Anarchist Western “Leftist” who believes Socialism is a Hippie Commune and who rejects the legacy of the USSR and Maoist China, as Real Communists (Marxist-Leninist-Maoists) embrace Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture” and uphold the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which means that after World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allows for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, every Nation/Ethnic group will be given their own SSR, as shown in my Map of all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2548249
So communists wouldn't support Taiwanese nationalism but would support Palestinian nationalism.

><Our reply to this
To what?
<By supporting the right to secession, we are told, you are supporting the bourgeois nationalism of the oppressed nations. This is what Rosa Luxemburg says
The right to secession

<If, in our political agitation, we fail to advance and advocate the slogan of the right to secession, we shall play into the hands, not only of the bourgeoisie, but also of the feudal landlords and the absolutism of the oppressor nation. Kautsky long ago used this argument against Rosa Luxemburg, and the argument is indisputable. When, in her anxiety not to “assist” the nationalist bourgeoisie of Poland, Rosa Luxemburg rejects the right to secession in the programme of the Marxists in Russia, she is in fact assisting the Great-Russian Black Hundreds.

>Communists are against nationalism

no, they are in principle for self determination of peoples self organized into nations, however

<The recognition of the right to secession for all; the appraisal of each concrete question of secession from the point of view of removing all inequality, all privileges, and all exclusiveness.
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>>2548271
>but would support Palestinian nationalism.
No they wouldn't, communists oppose nationalism, but the palestinian nationalism content of struggling against Israeli oppression would be.

>>2527282
These people are rich but not actual captains of industry, they aren't factory owners and business magnates, they are comedians and creatives

no they are correct socially what?
is this some retarded anti queer post or whats going on

>>2272165
illiterate

>>2527282
>>2534612
A lot of comedians actually come from fairly affluent families, John Mulaney parents were both Lawyers(his dad being partner at Skadden Arps) Dave Chappelle came from a very educated family upper class family and went to a top high school and Nick Korll's dad is a billionaire.
n comedy especially, it's not just about being funny, any jackass can be funny. It's about connections, and these assholes have connection.

>>2411685
Surprised to see this bullshit of Amerikkkans being victims of the zionist entity they created, you aren't victims you are part of the problem

>>2539217
damn

>>2548178
Comrade, are you trying to call me a Fascist for upholding the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️🤔?

>>2548211
What is Fascist about the Aesthetics of Communism, 🤔?

>>2545832
He has the makings of a Chernyshevsky, a fine writer of utopian literature with a socialist bent. If he wants the adventurists and real MLM uyghas of the future to namedrop him, he'll have to hone his craft and publish his shit in the form of a novel. I personally hope he keeps the emojis in his oeuvre and I will make it my life's mission to see to it that the hyperstitional Rakhmetovs of the future include them while they're quoting passages from a red-vinyled copy of his bangers.

Landmine museum

Belongs to >>>/leftypol/

>>2547962
The posts and words are too big and scary there though

>>2547962
thank you mods for the democratic kampuchea embassy on /leftypol/ land, bumping with a bunch of stuff

"Treats" trickle up, but yeah there's value to concessionary policies when party building.

I'm getting high. Listening to this odd guy with the weird voice is better than watching CNN right now.

Shit, a bunch of bad people found his chat.

Weird show. No action.

I will watch it every night

It makes for good background listening. Sorta.
Not sure I'd watch nightly for 3 hours. Not sure why people do this now, just watch something and chat about nothing.

>>2546071
Lib > Lib > Lib > Lib > Lib

>>2547455
Trvke. The only thing not lib is ziggerism with anti gay characteristics since being gay is being imperialist

lib > anarcholib (babby reads his first political zine that had Goldman and Kropotkin quotes) > "Marxist" (babby reads the Manifesto and the first few chapters of Capital vol. 1) > "Marxist-Leninist" (babby reads State and Revolution and grab bag of Stalin) > vulgar Marxist-Leninist (babby defends AES and campism) > "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist" (babby reads the General Political Line of the Communist Party of Peru and the Communist Party of India (Maoist) MLM Basic Course) > a Maoist of some sort (babby finally reads some essential Marx, Lenin, Mao; doesn't consider any of the other heads holy writ)

Sometimes I question how much people take in from the stuff they're reading because kids will tell me they read Bookchin and others but then a year later they're a Leninist. The sheer amount of democratic socialists saying they love Rosa is a big clue.