[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM / ufo ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internet about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)
What is 6 - 2?

Check out our new store at shop.leftypol.org!

| Catalog | Home
|

 

TL;DR I saw this one edit about Trotsky and, TBH, it hits all the right notes with me. Being very individualistic and such but not liking the Right, this edit and this quote hits me hard.
How accurate is it?
Am I just deranged?
IDK, just fuck my shit up fam.
44 posts and 3 image replies omitted.

File: 1775572010929.jpg (124.83 KB, 647x1000, 1773477222446995.jpg)

>>2762016
Stalin killed Bukharin. He's the fucking traitor of the revolution.

>>2761972
stalin was a shite military strategist, he only beat the nazis because of the sheer numbers of disposable "comrades" in his army

>>2771114
He was shit but the soviets essentially won because they just had better production and management they could bring to bear, not because muh meat waves. On the other hand nazis lost despite having a competent military and control of all of Europe, now that's retarded

>>2771128
the nazis lost entirely after operation barbarossa, where the scum hitler betrayed his peace treaty with stalin. europe would have been ruled by fascists and communists if the retard didnt try to do what napoleon failed to do. its funny when people talk about "fair fight" this and that, when it was hitler who first broke the rules and paid the price.

>>2771131
Fascists never fight fair. The whole ideology is bereft of anything resembling honor.



File: 1775491546744.jpg (164.49 KB, 971x1500, dalek.jpg)

 

I sincerely believe that once the life on the planet achieves the true technological communism stage, its most progressive course of action would be:

1)Breaching the Kardashev 1 civilisation level (even the 1% complete Dyson sphere should be enough)
2)Development of interstellar flight
3)Exponentional expansion towards all reachable star systems
4)Wiping out all encoutered xeno life and replacing it with ourselves (or at least, our robots)

Why? Just look at our history! For 99% of it, humans were doing little but killing, raping, and enslaving each other for tribalism, religion, and religious tribalism. And before, like, 19th century, the number of humans on Earth driven in their lives by anything larger than religion or tribalism was so small it was effectively dissapearing into a rounding error. So, would really anything of value had been lost if Daleks had appeared in the Solar system in the year 1800 and wiped out the life on Earth?

The Daleks do not rape. The Daleks do not enslave each other. The Daleks (when Davros is not having a megalomania episode) do not turn on each other. The Daleks do not exploit each other's labor.

Our descendants shall become like Daleks. The life in this universe is suffering, and, as one of the first technological civilisations in it, it is our duty to give the gift of death to the less lucky ones.
6 posts omitted.

>Development of interstellar flight
Never gonna happen. We are stuck here.

>>2770958
You are stuck here, and you will remain stuck here because you are a filthy pessimist

>meanwhile in 2026
<the earth is flat
<vaccines cause autism
<cancer isnt real
<water gives you aids

>>2769965
>Breaching the Kardashev 1 civilisation level
the minute WW3 happens we're going to Kessler Syndrome ourself

>>2771052
Star Trek



File: 1775521443786.png (603.74 KB, 860x484, ClipboardImage.png)

 

Honest question: I fucking hate neolibs just as much as the next guy and the idea that people always make rational decisions as consumers is nothing more than a myth, but didn't they sorta kinda have a point when they said that prices are necessary in an economy as a system of information?

I currently struggle to imagine how a planned economy can take into account sudden shifts in demand and react flexibly to people changing their mind about shit they want, or providing them with a vast choice of goods that they can try until they find one that matches their needs. I feel like this is only possible with some amount of speculation or trial-and-error, and cannot be reasonably planned ahead.

Are there good marxist economic theories that address the "information problem" - in other words, how a central planning commitee can figure out the preferences in a society efficiently and then also respond to them without making concessions to Porky? I am already familiar with Oskar Lange, Paul Cockshott and such, but I feel like I haven't really found an adequate answer to this issue yet.
2 posts omitted.

>>2770692
Because this discourse might be more than just Oskar Lange and Paul Cockshott? Imagine lmao

This fucking thread again
>>2762201

>>2770696
Didn't see that one, mb

File: 1775564139159.webp (55.33 KB, 1200x800, 17531899034457.webp)

As Carl Menger writes, economisation occurs by degrees of scarcity, which means that the less money you have, the more rationally you will spend it on needs, rather than secondary desires. Menger then (as the founder of the Austrian school) proves that economies of scale are increasingly irrational (as attested to by the division of labour which scales consumption by luxury). So then, an economy is divided between (i) needs and (ii) wants. Needs can be planned in production, while wants can be privatised by markets, since they are unnecessary. We can divide this between a public sector and private sector, where frivolity only occurs at the proper threshold of societal need, which then inclines toward the means of indulgence. Cockshott also resolves to the fact that markets will exist where consumer goods are produced, because this is how products of this kind are best distributed.

>>2770688
If you're smart enough you could probably figure out a model of communal resource use that allows individuals and groups of people to produce whatever they want at a large enough scale to create the new matcha labubu banger for the youth, bought with labor vouchers or something. I'm not that smart so I'll direct you to indep.network, they host talks about democratic planning on zoom from time to time and you may be able to ask them a question in person. In my view, the question is not whether or not we can handle consumer goods in a socialist economy, but whether we want to produce them on the scale allowed by modern technology given the effects of consoomerism on society and the environment.



File: 1775457674399.jpeg (118.69 KB, 500x685, IMG_7463.jpeg)

 

It is our duty and we owe it to ourselves to be as professional and socially conventional as possible such that we may achieve the widest possible audience for revolutionary thought. This puts food on the table and anyone with other priorities is unserious and hostile.
14 posts and 2 image replies omitted.

>>2770977
US """""leftism""""" promotes anything but revolution. As such, no preparation is needed and US """"leftists"""" behave accordingly

File: 1775565841022.jpeg (54.58 KB, 632x810, U Sure.jpeg)

>>2770979
What's this, "You" shit?

>>2771000
This is a bad explanation. US society is anomalously violent - more violent not only than every other first world country, but also more violent than many developing countries.
If the explanation was simply what was socially promoted, one would expect US leftists to be more violent than the average American and - if we continue to assume that violence and "revolutionary-ness" are correlated - that China and Vietnam would be much more violent than the US. (They are, in fact, much less violent, despite being poorer!)

>>2771039
(You) and “You” as in succdems

>>2771039
OP is very transparently an identifiable long-term poster on this board, "Red anon" of Norway, who shilled "Red Party" (a post-ML, Kautskyist reformist party) as being the "new era of Marxist parties" for many years. Then their grift hit a plateau and started losing seats, since then he stopped overtly shilling.
This is clearly him, a bit more on the down low (same flag, same revisionist norwegian newspapers being cited). The perceptive among us sussed it out immediately and we started addressing him directly (but he hasn't responded anymore ITT).



File: 1775511641609.jpeg (46.95 KB, 589x294, images (83).jpeg)

 

Nations will stop existing under communism, under communism, the globe will be defined by sectors for the sole purpose of administration, sectors defined by the grid panel composed of meridians and parallels with small compromises of a few kilometes so cities aren't split in two. The idea of nation, culture, borders and so on are going to be labeled as reactionary and any and all individuals or groups that decide to fight this will be shot. The concept of "indigenous populations" and "natives" are going to be an irrelevant thing of the past, and people will be transfered between sectors every so often and as labour requirements demand. The concept of ethnicity will be abolished

That's it, that's the whole post.
8 posts and 1 image reply omitted.

>>2770961
>third worldists are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things now
Lol. Lmao even

>>2770964
You have remained generally stagnant in your efforts for decades and have little to show for it. Liberal society is ending, and you are doomed to go with it.

>>2770491
That's not even a good territorial division if you want to larp as a technocrat. Land area gets much smaller in the north and population is 500.000.000 in some squares and 20.000 in others. The borg wouldn't administer earth like that.

>>2770491
Wrong! Read ᴉuᴉlossnW

>>2770985
The only person on this entire board who gives a single shit about ᴉuᴉlossnW is CPUSAnon who will happily enter the most irrelevant threads to try to encourage others to read fascist writers because he is a fed trying to force red-brown conversions into existence. No one else on this board is fascist but Leftcoms have the tendency of accusing everyone they don't like of fascism.



File: 1774282901531.jpg (328.25 KB, 2000x1270, 1761177249571.jpg)

 

Left parties keep losing because they care about "muh privilege" or pendering to transexuals, instead if they engage with the problem of the majority of working class, problems of like healthcare and job security, then many leftist parties would take power easly, instead we get people focusing their time and power on problems of 0.005% of the population, I'm not saying to not care for transexual, but this is pointless, leftist should care about the working class majority problems to get power and then care for minorities, I forget that there was a book talking about how the left got destroyed by identitaries politics. Will I get banned here for not pendering to transexuals?(IDpol thread)
86 posts and 22 image replies omitted.

>>2751799
can confirm. i cared a lot about the working class, but then someone said "trans" and i got so heckin icked out i became a chudjak fascist. so true. so true.

yawn

>>2770796
>>2770821
Lefties are doing the thing again where they pretend to not understand what someone is talking about as a debate tactic instead of dealing with the issue.

You can make this same argument for everything on the left

>Stop talking about the USSR, Mao and Stalin, you're alienating the workers!

>Stop pandering to Palestinian terrorists and radical anti-semites!
>Forget violent revolution, that's not what workers want to hear about!

Funny how these never get play on /leftypol/, but endless idpol concern trolling does

>>2770984
Most of the Proles are willing to think about violent revolution, they just see no one they would follow or a plan ofa ction that seems to actually get them what they want. Also, yes, sitting around jerking off your histrionic revenge fantasies doesn't appeal to anyone but fellow maladjusted freaks. Neither does LARPing as being something you're not and can never be accepted in anyway because you weren't born into it.
Do the work. Read the theory. Figure out how to apply it scientifically and stop approaching politics the same way you did when you were 14 coping with map-painter games.

File: 1775575837495.jpeg (264.78 KB, 1080x2046, HFTXZ4paMAA9mpK.jpeg)

>>2751799
A lot of people are purely selfish and completely willing to throw minorities under the bus but they don't care about oppressing minorities in particular.



File: 1775498190605.png (1.08 MB, 960x847, ClipboardImage.png)

 

Thread dedicated to discussing the consequences of a Burger-Occupied-Planet. This is not /usapol/ This is about what the USA does outside of the USA.

For the record, this thread is neither for demonizing the American worker, nor for centering them as the most oppressed, nor for spurring them to "do something." This is ALSO not a thread about discussing the debauchery of the US ruling class inside their mansions.

This is for discussing the international non-US-based consequences of US military hegemony, US offshore bases, USAID scams, CIA coups, IMF loan sharking and structural adjustment programs, dollar reserve currency status, petrollar scheming, infrastructure bombing campaigns, sanction starvation siege warfare, embargoes, forced privatization, forced austerity, forced union busting, US-funded anticommunist death squads, US-funded psy-ops, US "playing both sides" in conflicts, US fucking with its former allies, etc.

These constraints aside, the discussion can be both fluid and focused, emotional and scientific.

Please do not confuse this with a "Total Burger Death" or "Total Burger Defense" thread.
23 posts and 3 image replies omitted.

>>2770739
not the anon, it was a joke about how you get more replies for posting bait.

>>2770743
>thinking the US president is the deciding factor

File: 1775546120824.png (8.2 KB, 429x93, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2770645
burger pyre*

File: 1775553306153.png (654.3 KB, 864x1920, bop.png)


>>2770636
The Euro is going to become the world's next reserve currency because there is no way in a billion years that China will ever relax capital controls and allow for de-industrialization. Capital always prefers cuck nations that rape their workers and allow for rampant financial speculation and the EU treaties have basically already guaranteed that. If you invested in the Chinese stock market 30 years ago and pulled out the money today, you would have gained a net profit of negative 300%. So with America falling apart, Capital will make the right choice in fleeing to Europe. The fact that Ukraine can single-handedly stalemate Russia using second hand equipment and drones is also a boost of confidence that Europe will not be conquered by anyone for at least the next 50 years.



File: 1775511099479-0.png (11.19 KB, 275x183, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1775511099479-1.png (1.24 MB, 2000x1331, ClipboardImage.png)

 

>Self proclaimed radical leftist party
>Big shot in the greek lefty scene ca 2000s
>Seeming Right ward shift around 2015
>Is a complete cuck for the eu creditors
>Seemingly disliked by majority of greek lefties now
>Enters into a coalition with right wing ANEL
>Losses 2019 election
>Support if fading
>Former Leader leaving and plan to start new party
Greek anons, what's the deal with this?

he is a drifter. that is all.

I like that they're called pizza. Makes me hungry.

>>2770553
oh yeah? well communism=no food so checkmate libtard



File: 1773597444745.jpg (20.7 KB, 399x334, your govt wont last.jpg)

 

third world proletarians, the most exploited on earth, regularly ask why 1st world proletarians don't do more. why don't they rebel? why don't they have revolutions? why have the first world proletariat not lifted a finger against their governments? the conclusion is treatlerism. they are willing and gleeful collaborators who benefit from plunder and so have become a "bourgeois proletariat" (engels said this about english workers in the late 19th century) fine. but it is a futile effort to ask someone who supposedly benefits from imperialism to fight it. they are your oppressor. do not beg your oppressor to stop oppressing you. that's naive cuckoldry at best. the next question then becomes, why do the third world proletariat not destroy the first world? the answer is they are too weak. they lack sovereignty. they don't have nukes. the imperial core sanctions, coups, embargoes, invades, bombs them every time they try to rise up. the only one brave enough to rise up seem to be the hyper religious ones who have no interest in communism, and they tend to get destroyed because they don't have a materialist understanding and just vibe based on the idea that god will give them the strength to win against impossible odds. not good… ok so what we have is a pretty bleak situation. the 1st world proletariat won't revolt because they benefit, and the 3rd world proletariat can't revolt because they're weak. What is left? bernsteinism? thinking capitalism will destroy itself if you wait long enough? embracing climate collapse and post apocalyptic scavenger theses? well that's anticommunist and opportunist. anprim ideology?

we have to get to the root here. i'm sick of the circular arguments where third worlders/worldists beg treatlers to stop being treatlers , and treatlers antagonize third worlders and tell them to win against impossible odds without any help from within the belly of the beast?

certain posters on here like felix says you need a crisis in the imperial core that accelerates economic collapse to create conditions for proletarian revolution. but nobody wants to go around blowing up power stations on the off chance it makes a lobotomized population of reactionaries who can't even point to iran or ukraine on a map suddenly pick up guns and attack the imperial core superpower.

what is the solution? how do you get around questions of nuclear armageddon, 1st world apathy, 3rd world weakness, 2nd world oppPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
38 posts and 1 image reply omitted.

>>2770797
>what did marx call communists? the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others… so is that you or do you just post as one on the internet?


i never claimed to be communist nor even working class. I just pointed out that downwardly mobile petty bourgeoisie are ripe for fascist agitation. the sensitivity and anger in your writing is palpable, but you may as well be fighting a person you imagined. you imagined i was

>claiming to be communist

>claiming to be working class
>claiming to be part of the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class
>claiming that proletarianized petty bourgeoisie inevitably become fascist (italic emphasis)

I claimed none of those things and yet your reply takes the tone as if i claimed all 4 of those things. why?

>>2770815
>i never claimed to be communist nor even working class.
oh ok then i dont really care what you think
>why?
this is a communist website

>>2770824
>oh ok then i dont really care what you think
you didn't care what I thought to begin with. you just made up a bunch of things I didn't say and confronted those things. you began by assuming i was working class. i asked why you made that assumption. now you assume i am not because i simply asked a question. in both situations you begin by assuming without evidence. you demonstrated a lack of critical thinking skills. maybe you are tired, but in this instance, when confronted with a question you shut down the conversation. that is not very communist, communists think critically and consider evidence. and yes, communists regularly care about what non working class people say because they do the work of deconstructing and debunking bourgeois propaganda. you are just being anti-intellectual and emotional right now. you have the opportunity to stop being that way but you might not because of pride. seriously read our exchange from the beginning and ask yourself what basis you had to make any of those 4 assumptions instead of just replying to what I did say.

>>2770824
this conversation
me:
>petty bourgeois people can become the basis of a fascist movement
you:
<i am going to assume you are saying this is inevitable, then call you a fake communist and express my hatred towards you
me:
>where are you getting these assumptions
you:
<i am going to assume even more things now and use that as a reason to end the conversation

strange behavior.

>>2770863
>i asked why you made that assumption.
i didnt
>>2770797
>is that you



File: 1774863700440.webp (135.18 KB, 3600x3600, cover-e1598446804642.webp)

 

the fundamental flaw of marxism is that it is built around the idea of ONE contradiction being the motor of capitalism's development, namely what is manifest in the value form. this is merely the contradiction between proletariat and capitalist. but of course there is the contradiction between the capitalist and the capitalist, as well as the contradiction between the form of bourgeois institutions and their actual content insofar as they are in a material relationship with the capitalist class

what we have seen is that after the falling rate of profit has progressed a certain point, capitalists realized that the first contradiction was no longer tenable to work with and so they moved to the other two. this has resulted in a qualitatively distinct transformation of the development of capital. in the contradiction of the value form, still working within the logic of value, the only salient variable is productivity. however, in capitalist vs capitalist and capitalist vs government power relations they no longer need to concern themselves with such things. it does not matter that the rate of profit is zero or even negative if you just fucking kill your competition and have the govt print infinite money. the solution to capital's first contradiction really is just have more war and sabotage everyone else whilst introducing financialization bullshit. look at netflix. they actively undercut blockbuster whilst losing money just to push their opponent into bankruptcy. that is just what is normal now, cannibalism

this is why ofc there will be no revolution because the contradictions at play have nothing to do with prole cattle. they are just pawns in the larger game. in the context of disputing wages, there is a clear connection between one's class position and what is the natural progression with respect to how to address things. in such contexts, class consciousness is something very simple to promote. this is not the case when its having a war with the national bourgeois of another country, or heck in the future two megacorporations just fucking killing each other mafia-style. that is what will happen btw. the iran war will crash the economy and corporations will capitalize on the chaos to balkanize western states into feudal shitholes. then eventually you will have these "freedom cities" hurling drones at each other and any prole cattle that thinks of objecting to this will be preemptively executed why palantir technology

tell me whePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
74 posts and 20 image replies omitted.

the fundamental flaw of Marxism is that naming your world view and identity after another man is homo-idolatry. On another note, ACAB also includes therapists.

>>2760716
>i am pointing out that the core dynamics of how the system operates isnt simply on the axis of wage labour
cool, you're in agreement with marxism then as was demonstrated above. late stage monopoly capitalism, or imperialism, is in a different stage of development than capitalism of the mid to late 19th century. no one disagrees with you there either; that's why MLs exist.
what are you actually saying? can you demonstrate how these are flaws with marxism and not just problems you invented in ur head

i thought the fundamental flaw of marxism was no food no iphone economics 101 transformation problem mud pies teleology big gubbermint

>>2760694
> it does not matter that the rate of profit is zero or even negative if you just fucking kill your competition and have the govt print infinite money. the solution to capital's first contradiction really is just have more war and sabotage everyone else whilst introducing financialization bullshit.

>this is not the case when its having a war with the national bourgeois of another country, or heck in the future two megacorporations just fucking killing each other mafia-style. that is what will happen btw. the iran war will crash the economy and corporations will capitalize on the chaos to balkanize western states into feudal shitholes. then eventually you will have these "freedom cities" hurling drones at each other and any prole cattle that thinks of objecting to this will be preemptively executed why palantir technology


Marxist theory already acknowledged that the destruction of the productive forces and endless wars was the bourgeoisie's logical reaction to the falling rate of profit and other endemic crises of capital.

vid related is crucial

>>2770531
best chapter of a great book



Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM / ufo ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]
[ 1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 /11 /12 /13 /14 /15 /16 /17 /18 /19 /20 /21 /22 /23 /24 /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31 /32 /33 /34 /35 /36 ]
| Catalog | Home