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A dictatorship of the proleteriat will never work because a system where the proleteriat has no say and doesnt choose their own leader will result in the government of a socialist country not actually being beholden to the proleteriat at all. And thus has no incentive to or even need to act in their interest.
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>>2670751
oxymoron

>>2665539
Anarchist mode of production doesnt work, read the walmart republic.

>>2665976
>Elections are based purely on who has the best optics and popularity which often has nothing to do with how good they are at ruling

Does that also apply to party hierarchies? I'd be down with a system where everything was done by sortition

I'm not the most educated on marx or lenin but I thought the dictatorship of the proletariat was just fancy lingo for a government ran by and for the workers and only certain branches of Marxism Leninism actually believed in the Dotp being an actual dictatorship

>>2674266
It’s very liberal



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Where did the chinese century go?






The body was too short or empty.
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>>2682172
how does any of this "fight" climate change ?
and how is this even supposed to happen ever ?
>>2682174
every african country wants to industrialize

>>2682229
Actually in China it would happen in the cities first since urban birth rates are the lowest while rural-to-urban migration is decelerating. And since the largest cities are honestly pretty overcrowded(entire countries' populations live in Beijing or Shanghai alone), this won't produce serious problems except some more empty residential buildings.

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>>2682233
>Eventually we will return to the same dilemma that faced biodiesel where the macroeconomic of mass production of a renewable technology makes it only slightly less bad for the environment.
Look at the stats, it's objectively like 6 times less bad. We don't need absolutely zero emissions, that's not viable, we just need to make less than the plants can absorb. At the very least global warming will slow to such a crawl that we'll have plenty of time to further advance technology.
>Nuclear might be but i doubt that there is much political will among the people to massively increase the number of nuclear plants we have, not with the ghost of Fukushima
This is China not Germany bruh, it's already building like 40 plants at this very moment. China is also developing thorium reactor technology which looks promising.
>the sheer amount of energy and technology you need to do mass hydroponic farming means that it is going to be very carbon intensive
IIRC the Chinese grid already has a capacity double that of the current usage. It can probably handle the needs of mass hydroponics, and the carbon emissions of that will depend on the greening of energy generation.
>>2682233
>this is the difference between having an ox and a tractor
I don't have a study for this but I'm 90% sure an ox would produce more emissions than a tractor per unit of land plowed. Because organisms, apart from being less efficient for a specialized task than machines, also have lengthy gestation and growth periods that require energy and CO2 emissions while said organism is doing nothing. Though, production/disposal CO2 "cost" is generally always less important than the "cost" of less efficient lifetime operation(once again, see le gas vs EV bar graph)

>>2681895
If a bourgeois exists in your country, it’s liberal, look at the Chinese flag, two of its stars are bourgeois

>>2682396
Bourgeois stars



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>imperial core workers organize for higher wages
>porky freaks out
>outsources the jobs
>proles in the global south get the jobs
>porky gives imperial core workers service sector jobs
>proles in the imperial core screech "they dun took r jobs!!!!
>proles in the global south screech "you fucking treatlerite you don't produce surplus value like a true prole!!!"
>porky laughs at how everyone is too mad at each other to be mad at him
>the fight has moved from abolishing class society to arguing over whether first world workers are just indirect slave owners of the children mining cobalt
>rather than giving workers of all countries a better life by expropriating the expropriators and abolishing wage labor and class society, we now dream of making the first world worker live like the third world worker

material explanation?
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>>2693063
irl most intentional communities that actually last for a significant amount of time regardless of ideology end up trading with the outside world just a set a quota for xyz agricultural product and call it day

>>2692625
le west vs. le east is an inherently idealistic and imperialist worldview


>>2693195
Russia is ASIAN and MONGOLOID so the USSR was not, in fact, Western.



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Barracks Communism has never been tried.
Lets try to make a canon for it, all of the original texts attributed to what Barracks Communism was, pile them up and just follow them dogmatically.
Lets do this.


Barracks communism (German: Kasernenkommunismus)[1] is the term coined by the German philosopher Karl Marx[2] to refer to a crude, authoritarian, forced collectivism and communism where all aspects of life are bureaucratically regimented and communal. Marx used the expression to criticise the vision of Sergey Nechayev outlined in "The Fundamentals of the Future Social System".[2][3][4] The term barracks here does not refer to military barracks, but to the workers' barracks-type primitive dormitories in which the industrial workers lived in many places in the Russian Empire of the time.[5]

In the ideology of the Soviet Union the term was applied to theories of "some ideologues in China" of the 1950s-1970s.[6] During the Soviet perestroika period, the term was used to apply to the history of the Soviet Union itself.[5]
Origin

A relevant section of Sergey Nechayev's "The Fundamentals of the Future Social System" reads as follows:

The ending of the existing social order and the renewal of life with the aid of the new principles can be accomplished only by concentrating all the means of social existence in the hands of our committee, and the proclamation of compulsory physical labour for everyone.

The committee, as soon as the present institutions have been overthrown, proclaims that everything is common property, orders the setting up of workers' societies (artels) and at the same time publishes statistical tables compiled by the people who know and pointing out what branches of labour are most needed in a certain locality and what branches may run into difficulties there.
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>>2692983
>no other alternative but work or death.
lol. Normally anarchists pretend people are free under their system and dance around the reality of their coercion but Nechaev actually gave the game away. Was he an idiot?

>>2693012
Eritrea is a Zionist tourist trap

>>2692983
OP was this thread inspired by this exchange in another thread?
>>2692138
>>2692143
>>2692145
>>2692163
>>2692278
>>2692575

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>>2693017
something something 15 minute city. something something pod + bugs. something something own nothing be happy.

>>2693192
Pretty much



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>yeah the revolution will take place in an industrial country like Germany or Britain or however the berches is braided
>ends up happening in agrarian shitholes instead
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>>2687283
yeah the more risky the behavior, the greater the reward, but the greater the likelihood of injury, imprisonment, or death. So always bet on people doing low-mid risk behavior more often than high risk behavior… unless it's really addictive and provides an immediate reward, like drug use…

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Akshually what you’re probably referring to as “revolutions” were just bourgeois nationalist struggles. Revolutions happened in industrialized countries (Germany, Hungary) but were defeated due to Bolschevik mandated opportunism (I piss on an image of Radek every morning)

>>2689380
> Revolutions happened in industrialized countries (Germany, Hungary) but were defeated due to Bolschevik mandated opportunism (I piss on an image of Radek every morning)
elaborate

>>2693352
Can’t because that’s bs. They were defeated due to internal issues, not because of the bolsheviks.



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Is revolution possible in the SECOND WORLD? Occupied by the first world in Europe and allied with the third world in central asia.
HMMMM???
Ever thought about that?
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That is the only place where revolution is possible, actually. Hitler got one thing right, Slavs are genetically, racially predisposed to communism.

>>2694889
Balkan is also too developed, you cannot have a revolution without proletariat. in Slovenia, maybe 30% of people are proletariat. In 1945 it was more like 80% which is the critical mass needed for class struggle and revolution.
Obviously you can still have class struggle, but it will be class struggle of proletarians + petite bourgeoisie versus national bourgeoisie, which will mean that private property will still be preserved in the end, just limited.

>>2687701
>>2689293
having your communist party be illegal is not a deal breaker but something you're supposed to work around.

>>2687685
Marx showed more enthusiasm towards Centers of imperial power and capital for a reason.

>>2695506
And he was objectively wrong. Also he was a unfortunately a western supremacist and his idea that socialism will happen in the west is a form of his cope, he WISHED that socialism would happen in the west first, because he believed in superiority of western civilization.



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<"erhm… you can't expect us to veto resolutions and stop trading with Israel… because… material conditions stupid ultra"
<wait how did the Arabs get ATGMs

>Be China

>Buy stuff from Isnotreal
>Sell stuff to Isnotreal
>Use the money to fund the North China Industrial Corporation (NORINCO)
>NORINCO makes artillery, rifles, kit, tanks, missiles etc
>trade with Isnotreal
>Don't answer when Isnotreal asks why there are C-704 anti-shipping missiles in the Labubu crates bound for Gaza
>Uhhhh yeah those aren't HJ-8s those are uhhhhh tennis ball containers yeah
>Isnotreal can't do shit because doing anything would risk the trade relationship with China, which risks crippling the Zionist economy
>Tfw the Chinese have figured out a way to secretly arm the Palestinian resistance and make the Zionists cover the cost
>all while upholding their geopolitical strategy of respecting sovereignty and international law

Did you ever doubt the plan, Anon?
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War profiteering but leftistly

Fuck yeah

>>2694992
not even india which is unexpected. thank you sir

>>2695043
>*few*

Napoleon was objectively historically progressive and yet he worked very hard to secure an alliance with the arch conservative Russian empire. Material analysis doesn't work on lib principles

>>2695507
Who the hell actively supports crapitalism in the year of our Lord 2026? If you don't have at least 3 million dollars in savings and are still supporting this retarded system you are a CUCK. A CUCK.



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>>2695472
I'm sure he'd hang all of China's billionaires too, but you have to start at home.

>>2695480
>tfw the future of the world will be determined by a cpc intra-party struggle

>>2695479
Really good video.

>>2695480
International industrial bourgeoisie slaughter complex



 

Can someone explain why suddenly much of the entire left have suddenly decided that IP/Copyright is sacred and automation is bad?
They do realize that AI is probably the most important technological revolution in bringing about the material conditions for Socialism right? Combine it with cheap 3D printers in 10 years time and entire sectors of the economy are going to have their rate of profit absolutely annihilated. Yes, I will download that car thank you very much.
But suddenly swaths of the left is like "NOOOOOOO MY COPYRIGHT LAWS, MUH HUMAN INPUT OF LABOUR NOOOOOOOOO". The only leftist creators I've seen are pro Copyright are Haz and Peter Coffin, and they're both in this case, 100% correct from a Marxist or actual Socialist position.
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>>2692353
It's visibly worse than the version drawn by an artist that's right there in the same comic.

>>2692353
fidelity =/= realism. There's very obvious detail loss with incorrect detail in-filling that would take less time to just figure out how to draw in that style than attempt to prompt-wrangle.
>>2694746
It seems like fleshtubers really want AI to be string theory 3.0. I get it's because how blatantly tied crypto and AI are to each other (see all the cypto shilling on moltbook) but still astonishing the tone never changes at all.


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>>2694746
>AI will replace humans in 2028
You have to wait for another century or 2 for that to ever happen m8

>>2695499
Did you even watch the video?



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The Japanese lower house election is underway, and all early reports indicate an overwhelming majority for the new prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. I guess just making your platform hating China works, especially if every poll shows youth support for her is in the 90%
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>>2687031
Their leader is currently doing sit-downs with LDP members to discuss policies and they are trending for all the wrong reasons for considering taxing people based on their individual ability

>>2694870
Thank you chatgpt-san.

>>2694870
Did you just use Chatgpt to argue lmao
>First: ditch the racial slur and the “inferior ___ people” framing. It’s ugly, it’s lazy, and it doesn’t actually help you explain anything
It is important to the modern day issue in Japan and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. Also the reasons you listed are literally made in the post including memory, nationalism,etc. So don't get the post except they didn't like pointing out post-Meiji Restoration Sinophobia

>>2694870
gpt kensei, I kowtow

>>2694870
posting ai without openly stating that you did so should get you permabanned. Fuck off and mods do your fucking work



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