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Growing up in my country I constantly read in our textbooks that the British conquered us because they divided us and that this should serve as a reminder that national unity is the only way to avoid foreign domination. But the historical reality doesn't show that.

In most cases the EIC formed alliances with regional rivals and local elites who were acting in their own political and strategic self-interest. These groups were not passive victims manipulated into conflict, they saw cooperation with the British as the best way to advance their own ambitions and often they achieved many of their goals through those alliances.
While I'm thinking primarily about South Asia, the exact same narratives appear is most third world societies. Former colonies often claim they were conquered because the colonizers "divided and conquered" them, implying that major social, political or ethnic divisions either did not exist before colonialism and shouldn't matter now.

I'm curious have socialist historians or theorists argued against the simplified "divide and conquer" narrative or offered a more nuanced explanation of how colonialism relied on alliances with local elites, existing class structures, and pre-existing political conflicts?
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One aspect that was at least somewhat unique to India was that the ruling dynasties of many of these kingdoms were Turko-Persian elites governing a population that was overwhelmingly Hindu, along with a large number of Indian Muslims. The royals generally showed only slightly more tolerance toward the latter, but overall they cared little for either group beyond maintaining their rule.

>>2869847
That's just an excellent example of how colonized societies have their own reactionary ideological complexes that function just as effectively to suppress revolution as any first world treats.

>>2869891
Your comment is literally what I was saying. Western leftists can't connect with conservative peasantry whose views are rooted in religious principles and values. You simply can't approach them using that kind of language or those terms. They need a leader who won't offend their religious or national values, but who also projects an image of strength that they can rally behind.

It's just standard third world seething. Ethnic fracturing killed Austria Hungary and Yugoslavia, but those countries are doing okay nowadays (well Croatia and Slovenia at least)

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>>2869961
Like I said, I think it's basically after the fact justification for your Frankenstein state's existence, no matter how arbitrary your borders are or how little the people have in common, you just point to some empire that peaked 400 years ago and fixate on the handful of years when it reached its maximum extent, pretend that somehow validates your modern state, ignore the far longer history of independent kingdoms and states and then declare that every division is somehow the fault of colonialism.
Like in South Asia you see this with the Mughal Empire in both India and Pakistan. People always bring up a map of the Empire at its greatest extent under Aurangzeb and Aurangzeb did march his armies into those regions and claimed them, but they ignore the fact that these regions were tributaries rather than fully integrated parts of the state. They weren't incorporated into the same tax system, bureaucracy or even the same currency. Almost immediately after Aurangzeb's death, the whole thing began to collapse and for most of their history the Mughals effectively ruled little more than Delhi and its surrounding regions.



 

Every single marxist-leninist state relies on using reactionary tribalism (nationalism) to maintain societal cohesion as they are utterly incapable of actually creating a unified class consciousnes among the populace.
And if the populace did develop class-consciousness they would quickly overthrow the marxist-leninist state and kill off every single member of the party-bureucrat that ruled over them.

Class consciousness will come about naturally as the means of production develop to a point where the Capitalist class increases it's repression as their position becomes obviously pointless to even 80IQ wife beaters.
This is why I'm actually an AI accelerationist. AI is absolutely the technology that makes it pretty fucking obvious "Why do you exist?" a question to swaths of the PMC and Capital class when AI outperforms them in every way.

>>2868482
Marxsisters…



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This seems to be one of the best ways to win over normies. Everyone hates these damn things. Taking down a flock cam is now on the same level of widespread approval as shooting a Healthcare CEO, and less likely to get you caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7dPwD6Sjg&t
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>>2859322
Because they don't. The US paints China as having that to normalize it when they do it.

>>2869890
never been to china award

>>2869907
Depends what you mean by mass incarceration I guess. China's incarceration rate is 119 per 100 000, on par with Spain, France and Portugal. Lower than UK, Australia and US (obviously).

Btw people need to stop spouting the outdated "highest incarceration rate in the world" statistic about US because El Salvador absolutely prison-mogs them.

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>>2869925
>Btw people need to stop spouting the outdated "highest incarceration rate in the world"
I think you're misremembering. People always said that the US has the largest prison population total which is still true.

>>2869927
I saw someone say "both in relative and absolute numbers" just the other day but you're right. US was supposed to start outsourcing prison population to El Salvador anyway lol (although I don't know what happened with that)



 

Is late-stage capitalism just the failing rate of profit and the effects it has on the world?

It seems to me this is all it is, capitalists have given up on giving crumbs to the western working class because the rate of profit has fallen and instead seeks out cuts and regulations of any kind to try to sustain surplus as much as possible.
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Where is the third one?

Engels in 1886 prophecied the impending end of capitalism in his own time. That was 140 years ago.

late stage capitalism is just what westoids call the rescinding of bribes after the USSR fell

>>2869743
He didn't even know about imperialism

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there is nothing late about capitalism right now, expect it to continue for quite a long time



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If "late stage capitalism" is real, how do you explain the precipitous drop in inequality in the USA in the 20th century? If we reduced inequality before why can't we do it again?
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Really if you think about it the failing rate of profit for the capitalists is what late stage capitalism is, capitalists making less money and desperately trying to retain wealth at the expense of the working class and the entire planet.

>look at chart
>economic inequality only increase 4 percent
huh

Here's the ratio of Corporate profits divided by GDP from 1947 to 2026. You can notice some things.

1) Declines in RoP creates recessions, after which the RoP recovers.

2) The average RoP has been increasing.

3) We have passed the longest period without a real recession.

My theory is that globalization has been a gigantic boon for capitalism, much more than communists realize. World trade as a % of GDP has increased from 25% in 1970s to 60% today. This highly globalized world based on expansion of capital to underdeveloped countries has massively boosted rate of profits.

This is why the capitalist class has been so reluctant to on-shore manufacturing and services. They know they're getting de-industrialized, and that China is eating their lunch, and that their military strength is suffering. But the profits are STILL so goddamn high that they want to ride this gravy train a while longer.

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>>2869745
My bad, here's the chart.

>>2869745
As for how this relates to inequality, there's been a lot of government spending for social services (one of the reasons why the US debt burden as % of GDP has increased so much). That spending keeps inequality down. That kind of spending also does not depend on present RoP but on future RoP. The US also exports a shitton services which doesn't get talked about. Their tech monopoly and service industry in general helps keep the RoP up.

That's why the real action is gonna happen once China moves up the value ladder and starts exporting services and advanced tech as well. That's when US RoP is gonna get hit HARD and they know it, which is why preparations for WW3 are underway.



 

Why is the Iran war just an air and naval war? Why are ground operations for any of the countries seem impossible?
Also does Trump actually expect to win the war by bombing Iran
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>>2869428
infantry and mechanized are more useless than they have ever been. troops during the war on terror had to go on idiot patrols to get blown up by mines. now with fpv drones it's the mines that go on patrols.

given that the average american soldier would actually be on welfare if they lived in the first world the burgerreich focussed on small teams of rapists they call "special" forces. these guys are great at toppling the failed states of US interventions with terrorist attacks, but they're fucked if they have to fight a whole army.

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>War in the Middle East takes an ugly turn as US forces target an Iranian water desalination facility, destroying it almost entirely and leaving close to 10,000 people without drinking water. With roads and bridges destroyed, getting water to the affected rural communities will be extremely difficult but efforts are already underway.

Looks like the USA is officially taking the genocide route.

>>2869443
>They can completely collapse the country with conventional weapons as well.
No they can't. They dropped far more bombs on North Vietnam (which is also much smaller) during that war and the country didn't collapse. In fact MacNamara conceded in private meetings that the bombing was having virtually no effect on Hanoi's ability to sustain the war. You can't win wars with air power, it's been proven over and over and over again. Rich imperialist countries like the US just keep trying it because if they could somehow get it to work then they would be able to subdue any country at virtually no cost to themselves. They're trying to will it into existence but it always fails.

>>2869722
Dropping bombs in the middle of the jungle isn't strategic bombing. And why bring up Vietnam? It worked for them in Iraq and Syria. It truly doesn't matter them if they change they "regime change" Iran if they can just take them out of the equation.

Should also note, to whatever extent Iran is winning the war is also through their ability to bomb military and civilian targets. If they didn't have that capability they would have zero leverage.



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On July 16, 2026, driven by severe financial losses and an imminent mass-layoff crisis, heavy overseas Chinese investment (such as British Steel, owned by China's Jingye Group) failed to reach an agreement with the local government after multiple rounds of negotiations. The UK government subsequently pushed through the emergency Steel Industry (Nationalisation) Act 2026 to force the dysfunctional Chinese-owned firm into public ownership (de facto nationalization), effectively stripping the original owners of their economic rights over the Scunthorpe plant.

​On July 17, 2026, China's Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued scathing condemnations, labeling the move a "forced expropriation," a "severe infringement on the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese enterprises," and "a blatant breach of the China-UK Bilateral Investment Treaty". In response, Beijing explicitly backed Chinese enterprises in resolutely defending their rights through legal avenues, and warned that the move would severely shatter global corporate confidence in the UK's investment environment.
I don't know if you still remember:
In July 2023, due to Western sanctions, a large number of European and American companies (such as Denmark's Carlsberg, France's Danone, and Germany's E.ON) sought to withdraw from Russia. The Russian government subsequently signed presidential decrees transferring the Russian assets of these Western firms—which had refused to operate or could no longer function normally due to sanctions—to temporary state management, and even "selling" them to local pro-government buyers at heavily discounted fire-sale prices.
​In the first half of 2024, Western nations issued fierce condemnations, denouncing such actions as "illegal state theft" and "a flagrant violation of property rights". In retaliation, the European Union and the United States also began drafting legislation to freeze and plan the confiscation of Russia's sovereign central bank assets held in the West.
Looks like that's just how geopolitics works

>>2869655
How did China come under ownership of British steel manufacturing plants? What happened to the original owners?

>>2869674
I don't know if you just misspoke, but the Chinese bought the British plants, not the other way around. They also own Heathrow airport and the Hinkley nuclear reactor and a bunch of other things in Britain.



 

if imageboards are gonna ineivitably all die out, shouldn't leftypol have some other form of social media like a xenforo forum or something as a medium? Even the soyjak.party realized this and uses its booru as a active social media, same with a lot of others. Idk its sad, don't move this

Also whats the material reason for imageboards dying out
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>>2869180
>autistic people hate change
Nah that's allistic people. Autists cause change that allistics can't understand.

>>2869439
Worked with autistic children before. Children with autism will often scream and throw tantrums when having to transition between activities, including activities they enjoy.

>>2868836
lemmygrad is a decentralised reddit-like which is growing but it's less of a free for all screaming match.

>>2868979
>>2869180
it's not just vanity: imageboards make it impossible to filter bots and trolls. associating users, accounts, and a verified email makes that so much easier and gives admins receipts for following up on serious abuses of the platform.

>>2868836
Imageboards aren't dying because of any intrinsic flaws in their design, but largely just because of the culture around them. 4chan is by far the biggest imageboard around and sucks all oxygen out of its competitors simply by proximity. The issue is that 4chan is actively repellent to most quality posters by virtue of the (largely deserved) reputation as "that website for retarded nazis" which it has fostered since the early '10s. As a result, the biggest influx of users they've had in the past fifteen years is to this day made up of 2016 election tourists, and the most active and culturally significant boards on the website like /pol/, /b/ and /r9k/, are all overran with them. All the while, the more benign interest-focussed boards like /a/, /v/, /lit/, /fa/, etc are running on fumes, fueled largely by the same group of oldfags which have been using the site for decades by this point. The slow trickle-in of comparatively newer users brings with it only further culture war baiting and low-effort trollposts, so the quality of posts on the site is in a continual noticeable decline. At the same time, all the biggest alternative chans cater towards people who manage to get themselves banned off of 4chan proper, and are accordingly unusable shitholes and/or glorified fed terrorist recruitment forums from the start. The only way you're even going to be aware of the existence of better imageboards is if you've been around to see this fiasco from the beginning or if you've found yourself attracted to 4chan-adjacent culture, which means that the target demographic is made up of a continuously shrinking cohort of oldfags and a larger group of low-quality post-2016 posters (obviously generalizing here). The only way you're meaningfully going to be bringing in new blood is by producing OC posts and memes that can be organically shared across other forums and social media, thus bringing in interest in the source board.

Frankly, the idea to pivot this website to a setup more like traditional forums or social media is a non-starter. You're never going to be able to out-reddit reddit or out-twitter twitter, those markets are already thoroughly captured and both already contain far-left ecospheres. It's also just undesirable to begin with. Imageboards, for all their flaws, have unique quirks which are worth preserving. The ability to post anonymously anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2869568
>Imageboards aren't dying because of any intrinsic flaws in their design, but largely just because of the culture around them.
the culture is a byproduct of the design. antisocial chuds love taking advantage of anonymity



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Who will maintain and enforce public ownership of the means of production once the state is gone.
Who governs, decides and allocates all the necessary resources and production to meet the needs of all the people in the whole world without a state?
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>>2868181
>The state is converted into the "administration of things", which means that it loses its political character (e.g. class struggle)
Man is a political animal.

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>communism is just capitalism with a couple of arbitrary changes at most, all social relations the same

>>2868328
Politics will purely be about personality and policies around the edges

Capitalist realist bs
just trust the plan bro



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Trump’s Board of Peace drops full Gaza recovery plan in favour of tiny pilot scheme
The pilot camp envisaged in the current blueprint would consist of portable cabins for tens of thousands of displaced people in Gaza and would be set up in the buffer zone along the ceasefire line near Rafah. Israeli troops would withdraw from the line and security at the crossing between Hamas-run Gaza and the camp would be overseen by the ISF and a specially trained Palestinian police force, officially vetted by NCAG and the ISF – though in reality Israel is expected to have a decisive say in who is recruited.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/16/trumps-board-of-peace-drops-full-gaza-recovery-plan-for-tiny-pilot-scheme

US launches seventh straight night of strikes on Iran
Five explosions were heard in the early hours of Saturday in Yazd, in central Iran, the state news agency IRNA reported. Iranian state television also said three explosions were heard in the southern city of Sirik, as another news agency, Mehr, said blasts were heard “in several provinces in the south”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/7/17/us-launches-seventh-straight-night-of-strikes-on-iran
https://archive.ph/oFpEQ

Iraq and Syria sign deal to rehabilitate Mediterranean pipeline, bypass Strait of Hormuz
After MEE's exclusive, Bloomberg, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal, and The Financial Times reported on the expected deal. The agreement was signed during the US-Iraq Business Council meeting in Washington, DC, by Bassem Abdul Karim Nasr, head of the Basra Oil Company, on behalf of Iraq; and Youssef Qablawi, CEO of the Syrian Petroleum Company, on behalf of Syria. US Energy Secretary Chris Wright oversaw the signing.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-and-syria-sign-deal-rehabilitate-mediterranean-pipeline-bypass-strait-hormuzPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

NEHAWU Reaffirms Support for SACP Ahead of LGE 2026, Cites ANC’s Deviation from Socialist Ideals
The National Education, Health and Allied Workers’ Union (NEHAWU) has officially reaffirmed its resolution to support the South African Communist Party (SACP) in the upcoming 2026 Local Government Elections (LGE 2026). This strategic political alignment was confirmed by the union’s newly elected national leadership, signaling a firm commitment to a progressive socialist program amid growing concerns over the country’s current economic trajectory
https://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/western-cape/nehawu-reaffirms-support-for-sacp-ahead-of-lge-2026-cites-ancs-deviation-from-socialist-ideals/

Kashmir: Rising Heat Exposing a Blind Spot in Rural Healthcare
By the time the afternoon sun settles over Pampore's orchards, some workers head home early; others retreat into the shade before returning to the fields. The situation is new for everyone as Kashmir’s summers are turning increasingly intense. On June 19, 2025, Srinagar recorded 35.2°C, its hottest June day in 20 years and seven degrees above the seasonal average, according to the India Meteorological Department. Just over two weeks later, on July 5, the city touched 37.4°C — its highest July temperature in more than 70 years.
https://www.newsclick.in/kashmir-rising-heat-exposing-blind-spot-rural-healthcare

India’s Gen Z ‘cockroaches’ took protest to the streets. Now they rally around a hunger strike
The protest camp came to life as student demonstrators rolled up their bedding after another night under the open sky. At the heart of the camp, activist Sonam Wangchuk lay inside a tent, his weakened frame showing the toll of weeks on hunger strike.
https://apnews.com/article/india-cockroach-janta-party-sonam-wangchuk-688cd957d2db3b1206193df046140bb4

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Critics Warn Bipartisan Bill to Abolish UNRWA Will Be ‘Death Sentence For Thousands of Palestinians’
Human rights advocates are raising alarm about a bipartisan bill in the US House of Representatives aimed at abolishing the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, which they say will help Israel in its efforts to starve Palestinians in the occupied territories of food and medical aid.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/abolish-unrwa-bill

Epstein survivors pan Blanche meeting as dismissive, "demoralizing"
She alleged in a statement that Blanche's explanations for his interview with Maxwell and her transfer to a minimum security prison camp were "wholly dissatisfactory and contrived." … "It had absolutely nothing to do with us," survivor Elizabeth Stein said, echoing her fellow survivors in an interview. "It had everything to do with Blanche checking a box so that he can get a promotion."
https://www.axios.com/2026/07/17/epstein-survivors-blanche-meeting-reaction
https://archive.ph/M8QKb

Mullin pushes states to comply with election demands, echoing Trump’s claims about midterm risks==
Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin on Friday warned that state officials could lose funding or face investigations if they fail to go along with President Donald Trump’s election security demands, part of the Republican president’s longstanding attempt to undermine Americans’ confidence in the vote.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-elections-mullin-dhs-voter-fraud-save-6871e13d3f0e2caadaf56f9b2bc1580d

GEO Group worker arrested in shooting of protester at Colorado ICE facility
Brandon Booth, 42, a GEO Group employee, was arrested on ⁠Thursday and booked into jail on suspicion of attempted second-degree murder, first-degree assault, attempted first-degree assault, felony menacing and ​unlawful carrying of a concealed weapon, police said.
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Buenaventura Durruti: You don’t argue with fascism, you destroy it
Comrades: the worker militias aren’t slacking on the Aragón front. They attack and defeat the enemy and win ground for the revolutionary cause. And this is only a prelude to the great offensive that we will soon initiate across the entire Aragón front. You, workers of Spain, also have an important role to play, because we can’t win the revolution with guns alone; we also have to produce. There is no such thing as a frontline and a rearguard, because we all form one block that has to struggle in unity toward the same goal. And our objective can be none other than building a Spain that represents the working class. The workers fighting on the front and in the rearguard don’t fight to defend bourgeois privileges. They fight for the right to live with dignity. Spain’s strength is in the working class and its organizations. After victory, the CNT and the UGT will meet and come to an agreement about the country’s economic and political structures. Those of us on the battlefield aren’t fighting for medals. We don’t fight to be deputies or ministers. And when we’re victorious and return to the cities and villages, we’ll fulfill our responsibilities in the factories, workshops, fields, and mines that we left. Our great victory will be the one that we win in the workplaces.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/buenaventura-durruti-you-don-t-argue-with-fascism-you-destroy-it

Spain’s Social Revolution Against Fascism
The Spanish Civil War is often portrayed as a struggle between democracy and fascism. But such an approach clashes with the sociopolitical reality of Spain in the 1930s. Social, economic, and political polarization in Spain in the years leading up to the civil war, along with the resulting failure of a bourgeois-democratic republic (1931–36), led to the outbreak of both the war and the revolution. The Popular Front’s electoral triumph in February 1936, rather than ushering in a new era of social reform, laid bare the inability of Republican democracy to overcome a ruling class determined to prevent any challenge to its power. The Popular Front’s victory sparked a new wave of mobilizations by the working masses, both urban and rural, which the Republican gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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