/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2672042
The Berg

>>2665222
I love Oxygen, its my favourite thing.

>>2695630
Agreed, it is Amazing.

fizzleGODS won

>>2672024
Pretty much.
White people don't wanna get arrested.
Salsa Americans are either joining ICE or cheering them on or are too scared to leave their homes.

>>2694020
How's the weather in Langley?

you are right, there has been no AES in history, and tru communism is actually just a retarded idea talked about and masturbated to by trotskyists and anarchists who are opposed to any kind of pragmatic organization on a large enough scale to hold territory. i guess we should all just give up.

>>2693970
Lower commodity production

>>2693354
The aliens are space rapists anyway, you don't want to be friends with them.

We get invited into the galactic federation and I'm bopping the Grey Emperor in his boppo-the-clown face the moment the first teleporter gets installed on earth.

¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

>>2642762
>dictatorship of the proletariat is to proletarians as israel is to zionists
has got to be one of the funniest left anti-communist talking points i've ever heard

>>2641644
Wrong. The people do exist as material force, not abstraction.
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>>2641752

>”Now, there is no such thing as ‘man’ in this world. In my life I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”

Joseph de Maistre, the Father of Continental Reaction.

>>2641644
Real

Is leftypol banned in Singapore? I haven't seen anyone from Singapore here

>>2652564
>Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.

this is pretty much the same path japan, korea, and taiwan went. Lol

>>2651637
>>2652094
>>2652127
good posts

>>2667529
I get the impression that Singaporeans are live in a weird bubble and are very mentally strait-jacketed for the most part. They can't see anything outside their carefully curated and hypercompetitive culture of their authoritarian city-state.

Singapore sucks

>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

>>2677186
They are very fun to laugh at

We are here to help comrade .

i'm a minmaxer, even when i'm suicidal i'm as productive as i can be, i don't take a single step without a purpose.

>>2674296
>During War Communism there were labor camps for those not engaged in productive labor.
so ur tellin me if i dont have a job theyre gonna give me one where i hang out with the bros and build stuff to help society?

based

>>2674198
Damn that’s crazy

>>2674562
>>that's why we need a global mystical 1984 state
thats what we already have tho, you think you live in communism lol? are you american?

>>2667438
>Muh semantics
Ok don't listen to me then. Keep being confused

Did 'strengthening proletarian ties' include, forcing united fronts on international parties, allying with nazis, allying with western colonialists, abolishing the Comintern to appease said colonialists, establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, etc?

>>2667440
>semantics
Nice cope pseudo. If only this distinction wasn't the whole reason Marx broke with the left and the Comintern was later established

>>2667443
You asked me a question, I answered it, then you just restate the question differently. The only pseud here is you, Marx didn't break with the left over the distinction between socialism as the mop and socialism as the state ideology of a post revolutionary dotp. He broke with various groups for various different reasons, disagreement over utopianism, reformism, idealism, etc. The comintern was established to further the goals of international revolution and again, break from reformists and their ilk. None of that has anything to do with your confusion regarding mop and post rev dotp both being called "socialism"

>>2667092
Not quite

>>2672394
>lennon
Also, you need industrial socialism to advance. Being stuck in agro is not a good thing. The direction of history is that you build industrial society with agro surplus and peasants stop being peasants. Same goes for proles. The goal of communism is to get out of "peasantry" and "proles" and become free people.

There is no Mao's 'agricultural socialism'.
Mao HAD to rely heavily on peasants because they were the overwhelming majority of Chinese people at that time.
Mao was not a vulgar stagist à la Kautsky. He was not going to sit and wait a million years until there is a big enough proletariat.

Once the PRC was established, he did everything to industrialise and thus proletarianize. It did not all work out perfectly, but he never enshrined agriculture and peasantry to the detriment of industry and proletariat. Never.

>>2672435
Came here to say essentially this. China industrialized hugely under Mao. Anyone claiming that China was simply "agricultural" during his era is being willfully dishonest.

Liberal industrialization

Does this mean the military industrial complex control the financial and intellectual elite along with the civilian authorities?

Yuge party

the whole confusion around individualism and collectivism comes from the intuitive difficulties which arise from the following state of affairs: an organism is a contained and self reproducing metabolism; a collection of chemical catalysts and templates that catalyze and constrain reactions which produce more of the same catalysts and templates and so on. you've got micro-organisms and you've got macro-organisms. macro-organisms are composed of micro-organisms that in some way mutually depend on each other to complete their respective metabolic logistical circuits. a society is a large macro-organism composed of large individual micro-organisms called people. people are macro-organisms composed of anatomic and cellular micro-organisms.

you can see the tension working when you think about thatcher's old quote "there is no such thing as society. there are individual men and women, and there are families". it's been talked to death as the watch words of individual-atomistic neoliberalism, but what's instructive is that she has to almost immediately concede a macro-organic reality in the form of the family. it is impossible for even the most radical liberal idealogue to honestly or coherently conceive of individual humans totally abstracted from sociality, because all people come into the world dependent upon other people, and the perpetuation of any population is the perpetual production of new dependents. the ideal of liberal individualism is an ideological product of universal commodity exchange. the notion that there are only individuals and families engaged in voluntary mutual exchange is only plausible to people in social conditions which obfuscate and commodify collective relations of interdependence.

consider the possibility that climate change decimates global agricultural output to the point that people are collectively only socially capable of producing enough food to feed 90% of the current world population. the obviously resulting famine deaths should illustrate the collective reality of society well enough. at human scales, individuals cannot persist without the collectives that generate and constrain them.

>>2643337
Collectivism and Individualism are not seperate things, yet alone mutually exclusive. If one shall die in the name of their 'nation' (or something else) , it is because the idea holds a domain over their mind, why is it individualism when one strives for endless wealth but it is 'collectivism' when someone dies in a crusade or something in the name of a god, accounting that the idea of that is somehow pleasant for them.

collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy, similar to the false dichotomy of authoritarian vs libertarian

Max Stirner's union of egoists is a pretty good arguement for collectivism.

>>2643754
True