/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2738815
>I'd prefer abolishing state completely without dictatorship of proletariat
that's called anarchism and the marxist argument against it is that if you abolish the state before socialism you just return society to a parochial petty bourgeois decentralized level of development that will reinvent capitalism eventually.

>>2738756
You seem to me like a liberal who doesn't understand that the state arises from the irreconcilability of social classes between those who own property, those who don't, and their other competitors. For you, the state is a neutral entity, not an instrument of one class to oppress another? If you use the argument about the lumpenproletariat as an excuse, then I'll have to respond that the only problem with the lumpenproletariat is that, lacking a connection to the means of production and its precariousness, it desperately acts as a henchman of the bourgeoisie to prevent the organization of workers, and therefore doesn't develop class consciousness. However, this individual can join the movement as long as they understand that their interest must be aligned with the proletariat in abolishing private property.

All communist leaders, from Marx and Engels to Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, knew that the penal system and the bourgeois state exist only to defend the interests of the ruling classes in maintaining private property and exploiting workers. This is why, in and before a revolution, communists act within both the legal and illegal spheres of the bourgeois state and do not tolerate the transfer of repressive power to the bourgeois state that serves the bourgeoisie in order to abolish private property. Here, the army and police are abolished so that workers can organize themselves into self-defense committees to form the Red Guard and defend their interests. The Red Army eventually forms to defend collective public property and maintain the supremacy of the proletariat in the expropriation of capitalists, landowners, speculators, and reactionaries who impede the abolition of private property and the formation of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Communists are revolutionaries and will abolish all institutions of the bourgeois state to form the state of proletarian democracy and implement a socialist economy. The victims of imperialism found within the lumpenproletariat will receive a working life with employment, education, and housing, along with re-education of antisocial tendencies. Those who oppose the movement and act as counter-revolutionaries will be punished, as will all counter-revolutionaries and agents of capitalist imperialism who resist the liberation of the workers centered on the proletariat. The question of punishmenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2738815
>I'd prefer abolishing state completely without dictatorship of proletariat
That's stupid

>>2738815
>Wouldn't it be unfair to call it "scoailist state"
Socialism is the government, not necessarily the means of productions which is controlled by the government or ruling class with is the bougeisie, either way both the bougeisie, government and capitalism change places in bed to keep their illusion of choice and power.
> if it's actually state capitalist,
Capitalist taxing is really bad.
>even tho I'd prefer abolishing state completely without dictatorship of proletariat
This is what makes you not leftist. Also dictatorship of proletariat is just Anarchism. You're also not Rightist because you don't care about the family or right-wing's brand of morality.

Being edgy or dark for fun is something you do when you're life is in order. Also Asian men can have open eyes, that's how you say it.

>>2738756
I just find it funny how some people think this is a horrible punishment. Life sentence in maximum security is WAY worse.

Synthesis: Fedslop ET cult

>>2739579
see >>2737471

Gotta go. A 400 lbs turk is trying to break into my chimney.

Love you leftychuds, please carry over the gemmiest content to new thread because that turk is now in my fireplace.

Stay fancy
~Ya boi Sinbad

>>2741294
didn't north korea kidnap people from other countries to support its movie industry and didn't their supreme leader or whatever keep his people purposely stunted artistically/mentally so he could control them? have you watched a single video about north koreans who escaped? c'mon man

>>2741295
Wow you are actually a democrat dickrider
That clintonite ‘deal’ would be like the deal that Obama had with the Cubans you moron

>>2741575
get a job

>>2740963
Lula sold you out

>>2740866
Let's look at your points:

>leftism
This is very vague, but you need scientific socialism and support a revolutionary socialist workers' party independent of the bourgeoisie.

>socialism
>marxism
>communism
As long as you are referring to scientific socialism, then it is correct.

>democracy
You must support proletarian democracy (dictatorship of the proletariat), defending the supremacy of the proletarian class as the new ruling class to abolish private property, anarchy of production, and social classes because there is no class conciliation; this signifies the end of bourgeois democracy.

>freedom
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You are no different to an Islamist

>>2741530
This is so stupid, overall.

>>2741545
Maybe I am. Not sure.
Islam also believes in one immutable God.

>>2741470
Yes, to love.

Gotta be brief, at work, but a lot of his speeches and personal charisma work kind of like a DJ. He plays to the crowd, reacts to them in a way that could almost be considered a vulgar kind of democracy. I think historical fascists did this too.

>>2740211
Been learning to play Imagine on the piano, such a beautiful song.

>>2740047
This, the world has fundamentally changed

>>2739944
Cult Worship + wanna be on the "winning side"

>>2739944
they feel a kinship with an obvious retard, and feel he is the retard chosen one for having had success

>>2737073
stop falling for CIA narratives and definitely stop feeling bad for yourself.

After the canonblast of October 1917, only one party proved to be worthy of the title 'Leninist': MEK.

>>2700715
Im at bus Man :(

>>2734705
Dengism = revisionism

>>2734180
It looks like the protoliberal movements of the 1500s that paved the way to the 1700s

>>2740738
>Why would I need to argue for that?
Because I don't want to have to guess and I'd rather you just state what you are trying to say. I've already stated this like three or four times. What's so difficult to understand about that?
>Very much is the problem
It's really not lmao, I am perfectly willing to have an intelligent discussion with you and whenever you've made an actual argument I have adressed and countered it. You are the one that's seething because I don't feel like going quote for quote with you
>Alright. You’re clearly done here. Made it way too obvious you would rather waste my time than have an actual discussion with that blatant bullshit.
Quotes are not evidence. Make an argument or shut the fuck up retard

>>2740766
Conversation is over dumbass. Stop shitting up the thread.

>>2739620
>Lebanon
lol, lmao

>>2740796
I'll take it as your concession faggot. Don't ever talk to me again

>Russia
nice try cucktin apologist

>>2740307
>his movement.
>his
it wasn't his movement. he merely coached the proletariat from outside it.

>>2740307
Every single one of those tanks and armored vehicles would get blown into atoms by drones today.

It would be nuclear fire and nothing else you retard

>>2740307
You and MAGA have the same brain region light up when they fantasize about US tanks rolling into Tehran.

>>2740358
ok. do you know anyone who fits?

>>2740388
Nope. Why are you not running?

>>2740421
Consider, me a manager for such a campaign. Also I am bored.

>>2740523
Is this the fabled Soros™ bucks everyone keeps talking about?

>>2740549
no. now, anyone willing to be the next senator of North Carolina?

>>2739585
That's because the masses in Palestine are Muslims, so they convert to reach out to them. Are you gonna convert to Evangelical Christianity to bring our Lord and Saviour Mao to the Masses? This is all very silly

>>2740025
You need to either have kids so your genetic line will survive to Communism or have the masses develop a cult of the martyred dead so your individual name will be remembered forever

>>2740030
Delcy Rodriguez is a traitor who completely sold out. Kys

Converting to Islam right NOW