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The revcom legitimately got brainwashed into a cult group, how the fuck did Amerikkka mindbreak domestic groups so badly? Dude has done nothing for years. There're apparently 80 page pamphlets written by their "organization" and literally an updated news page trying to market this guy as their leader.
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>>2744837
thats def true wrt to Maupin, also had no idea that Midwestern Marx was in the ACP but it does make sense

Americans have some strange cultural / genetic attraction to cults.
Maybe it's to do with so many of them being the refuse thrown out of Europe in the 1600/1700/1800s for being religious schizos.

>>2744992
Desperate proles tend to have an attraction to low effort slop cults especially. It's not just a yankee thing. RCP tended to attract a lot of inner city blacks and latin@s, not WASPs. But both of those demographics tend to get involved in sects as well. It's fair to say these serve as substitute for the tight knit evangelical/baptist churches they were brought up with. They were smart enough to reject the christian ideology but have an internalized affinity for the underlying patriarchic social structure.

>>2745019
And also a substitute for street gangs like Latin Kings or the Crips.

>>2745065
Indeed. the C.R.I.P.s Community Revolution In Progress/ were actually an offshoot of the Black Panthers tho. It's said they were called "crippled" because they all carried around canes as part of their "uniform" (+black leather jacket and beret).
The Panthers were very cult-like themselves, and come to think of it Bob Avakian's militancy goes back to the time of leading the White Panthers in the rainbow coalition. He's literally White Huey.
When you think about it every organization is a cult.



 

So, this is apparently the direct predecessor to Marx. Teach me about French utopian socialism and early socialism, I never hear of it. How impactful were they before Marx's epistemological break?
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From the Communist Manifesto:
<3. Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism
<We do not here refer to that literature which, in every great modern revolution, has always given voice to the demands of the proletariat, such as the writings of Babeuf and others.
<The first direct attempts of the proletariat to attain its own ends, made in times of universal excitement, when feudal society was being overthrown, necessarily failed, owing to the then undeveloped state of the proletariat, as well as to the absence of the economic conditions for its emancipation, conditions that had yet to be produced, and could be produced by the impending bourgeois epoch alone. The revolutionary literature that accompanied these first movements of the proletariat had necessarily a reactionary character. It inculcated universal asceticism and social levelling in its crudest form.
<The Socialist and Communist systems, properly so called, those of Saint-Simon, Fourier, Owen, and others, spring into existence in the early undeveloped period, described above, of the struggle between proletariat and bourgeoisie (see Section I. Bourgeois and Proletarians).
<The founders of these systems see, indeed, the class antagonisms, as well as the action of the decomposing elements in the prevailing form of society. But the proletariat, as yet in its infancy, offers to them the spectacle of a class without any historical initiative or any independent political movement.
<Since the development of class antagonism keeps even pace with the development of industry, the economic situation, as they find it, does not as yet offer to them the material conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat. They therefore search after a new social science, after new social laws, that are to create these conditions.
<Historical action is to yield to their personal inventive action; historically created conditions of emancipation to fantastic ones; and the gradual, spontaneous class organisation of the proletariat to an organisation of society especially contrived by these inventors. Future history resolves itself, in their eyes, into the propaganda and the practical carrying out of their social plans.
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Someday someone will write a paper about how China is actually existing Saint-Simonian socialism. You heard it from me first.

>>2743497
Who is he

In "The Theory of Four Movements" (1808), Charles Fourier describes how he wants to promote voluntary, co-operative communities of associated producers, who live in an organisation called the "Phallanx". This is a superior form of society than Civilisation itself, since civilisation creates poverty by industry and destruction by passion, while Fourier claims that in the Phallanx, all industry and all passions will be for productive ends, turning the play of children into a source of revenue. His ultimate aim was transforming chaos into "Harmony".

In "A New View of Society" (1813), Owen describes how his experiments in New Lanark have caused him to consider that rationally organising society in the way of a communal factory system, with kindergartens, can cause collective benefits to all members involved. He later associated with Josiah Warren, and both of them invested efforts in creating a utopian commune in New Harmony, establishing things such as labour vouchers. Owen was entirely consistent in his vision from 1813 to 1848, especially highlighting the need to prevent crime rather than punish it, leading to the creation of the Metropolitan Police, by influence over Robert Peele. Owen in 1848 promoted the idea that the state should incrimentally invest in these communes, creating a mass confederation across the world over time. Josiah Warren later wrote "True Civilization" (1863) promoting the same model, including labour vouchers, which are also praised by Proudhon in 1847, and Marx promotes labour "certificates" in 'The Gotha Programme' (1875).

Saint-Simon can said to begin his literary considerations with "De la réorganisation de la société européenne" (1814) in which he attempts to define a perfect constitution of government. He concludes that it is the British tripartite structure of constitutional monarchy which is best. He sees that a supernational European Parliament should then rule, so as to defy wars. So, he begins by a plea for an EU. After this we have Simon's "Déclaration de principes, L’Industrie, vol. II (1817) in which he says that industrial society gives shape to a proper order of things, and further writes that since a government is supposedly for the sake of the governed, and they know what is best for them, then the workers ought to rule themselves (although, by a necessary division of labour, between direct producers, managers and scientists). He repeats this sentiment in his 8th "Letter to an American" (1817). IPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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The United States simply does not need to be involved in this never ending morally void vendetta over a tiny scrap of land with no significant nature resources and very little actual strategic value. Israel is not necessary for the United States to continue its commanding military presence in the region. Other nations provide better strategic locations and do so for considerably less money and trouble.

Americans have already given Israel more aid than South Vietnam and Afghanistan and there is no end in sight. It's time to walk away from this quagmire. The majority of American voters agree with this, and American foreign policy should represent the will of the people.

Military aid to Israel is illegal under an American law called the "Leahy Law" This law forbids military aid to nations that violate human rights. Israel imprisons hundreds of people with "Administrative Detention" which is jailing people for indeterminate period of time without a trial or even pressing charges. There are also serious allegations of torture and mistreatment of these people who are jailed unfairly.

In fact, any American aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington Amendment which forbids aid to any nation with a nuclear program that refuses inspections of its nuclear sites and does not sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,

American miliary aid to Israel has also presented a security risk. Israel began selling military technology to Communist China in the late 1980's. The sales increased until Israel was second only to Russia in sales of Miliary Technology to China. These sales were instrumental in the modernization of China's military.

In Summary, American military aid to Israel is illegal, immoral, and unnecessary for the security of the United States.
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>>2744916
Nowhere in that document is it stated that a "zionist class" exists

>>2744916
>Our task is not to ignore the national-revolutionary and national-reformist elements but to go to them, to organise with them a united front
Opportunism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage. This I tell you brother: You can't have one without the other

>>2745048
>Opportunism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage
its true. But Socialism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage is equally true.

>>2745076
>Socialism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage is equally true.
Really? Kind of odd how National Liberation tends to use Socialism to get some speed and then dump it in all but name once the Nation is "Liberated". It's almost as if Nationalists prefer cozying up to the national bourgeoisie to implementing socialism.
I wonder why, what a mystery.

>>2745076
Delulu



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I think I've slept through this part when learning about communism and people's struggles against tyranny and imperialism; But why do we hate Ukraine again?
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>>2742418
a nazi who helped burn children alive is in your parliament

>>2739112
Russian and Ukrainian languages seperated long ago, but yes as far as I know they still had a common national identity until ww1. And yes, most of the southern regions they are currently fighting about is technically a settler colony. Thanks, Czars!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=926l0dYY_P8&pp=ygUfaGlzdG9yeSBvZiB0aGUgc2xhdmljIGxhbmd1YWdlcw%3D%3D

>>2742515
Give me the original, pls
I don't understand a word from that AI translation

>>2745122
>putin annexes parts of another country in which there's a significant russian population
>declares mobilization to hold the occupied territory
>russians flee russia and settle in neighboring countries, creating significant russian populations there
>the wheel of samsara turns
<and that's why the balts and finns got tense
translated it from slopese for you

>>2745139
cheers



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Whats your guy's opinion on Catholicism? I'm curious since my grandparents were devout catholics but we're registered communists in Allende era chile.
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>>2731498

Religious people should be welcomed in the party if they are not willing to compromise with the reactionary ideas and authorities of their religion. That is the rule.

Now, my personal idea about Catholicism is that I don't like it. It is a legalistic and monarchist derangement of Eastern Orthodoxy. I find EO to be the most interesting religion among the abrahamist ones.

>EO and Socialism are natural enemies

Stalin prove you wrong

>>2734413

/tradcath/

Church of the Holy Sepulchre edition


The tomb of Christ, located in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, will be closed this Easter sunday (both Catholic and Orthodox Easters) for the first time in 1600 years (it formally became a site c 400 CE).
Israeli forces are closing what is considered the holiest site in Christendom despite it remaining open during the he crusades and all of Israel's other wars.

The Church is notably under the "status quo," with Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Armenian Christians all having jurisdiction over it. The Church requires agreement from priests of all faiths before any construction or renovation can be done on the building, and as religions are famously agreeable to each other, it has fallen in a state of disrepair over the centuries.

Evangelicals see this as another sign that the End of Days is approaching.

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It’s dumb to advocate for state oppression of religion, while church and state should always be separate you shouldn’t try to ban religion in public settings, look at catholic Cuba where Castro was kind to his catholic citizens and encouraged them to use their religion’s teachings to have empathy and compassion for others versus catholic Poland were all of the anti-religious campaigns backfired and now most of Eastern Europe is more religious than Western Europe.

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religion is cringe, nothin personnel




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Anyone got any good books on the Cuban Revolution. I'm interested in the period after the Cuban Missile Crisis as that's when my knowledge of the country ends. =



 

This Github account ISN'T Moffin, is it? I'm hoping it's not. I just found out this user was contributing to a repo I care about.

BODY WAS TOO SHORT OR EMPTY

unfortunately moffin aka zankaria became site admin after discomrade stepped down

No, but is the Discord account Moffin?

Bump. Is it Moffin or not?

Zankarin is cool. Moffin is not cool.

Zankaria is Moffin. Got outed by sister site.



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okay but did they REALLY ACTUALY get the big yahu or is everybody being skitzo about him dying. all i am hearing is that the videos he posted to proof that he is alive are le heckin ai actually with basically minimal proof. i js wanna rest knowing that demon is actually gone for good.

He's alive
The videos are fake though, they are meant to mess with people

In a way he was never alive to begin with

He can't die because he's the guy Israel is supposed to pin the genocide on when it's finished, so they can wash their hands off it



 

The Communist Party, which has loyally supported the war in Ukraine, has become a target of the Kremlin.

In Russia, even supporting President Vladimir Putin's war policy is not necessarily enough as the security apparatus seeks to eradicate all opposition activity from the country.

This has been experienced firsthand by the Putin-loyal Communist Party, which has now found itself in the authorities' crosshairs, reports the Moscow Times.

The Communist Party is the second-largest party in Russia after Putin's United Russia, holding 57 seats in the 450-seat State Duma.
The party is part of the so-called systemic opposition that nominally opposes the regime but in practice supports Putin on all major issues.

In addition to the Communists, the systemic opposition is represented by the conservative and nationalistic Liberal Democratic Party (despite its name), the nominally social democratic A Just Russia party, and the self-proclaimed liberal New People party.

Before the war in Ukraine, the systemic opposition parties were allowed minor deviations from the official line, but nowadays they are expected to support Putin's line ever more unanimously.

"For those opposing the military actions, it may seem like there is no opposition at all, as all parties represented in parliament officially support the 'special military operation,'" summarized Stanislav Andreychuk of the Russian election monitoring organization Golos to the Moscow Times in April.

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>>2742801
Trve, those are more like the fronts that mafias set up to create an appearance of legality. Not mafias because they're not even the same category of thing, ie they're noncountries

>>2743192
Why from 2007-2008 was the current system so popular

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>>2743327
It was because Putin in the 2000s brought Russia out of the 90s disaster and looked like the Putinist system was working and the West seemed to be friendly enough to be substanable. Notice the decline in support for the Soviet system from 2000-2008 and a big increase after 2008 due to the financial crisis and Georgia in 2008. Putin's response to Ukraine in 2014 by annexing Crimea made him extremely popular. But that was 12 years ago and Socialism has only increased in popularity in Russia despite Putin's individual popularity

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>>2743327
2007 was pretty much the peak year for Putin's Russia to the point where it's the archetypal nostalgic year in millenial memes (that and emo girls). Chaos of 90s and Chechnya is over, oil prices are high, ruble is the strongest it's ever been and will ever be, and Russia has been flooded with affordable Western consumer goods. It seemed like history is truly over and Russia has joined the iPhone Haver club of countries forever. Shortly afterwards the 2008 economic crisis happened and relations with the West started rapidly cooling with the Georgian conflict, which marked the beginning of a decline. 2014 reversed the trend briefly with popular euphoria over the annexation of Crimea and Sochi Olympics, but it's been on a downward trajectory ever since, especially as Russia keeps to free market orthodoxy and respect for "esteemed partners" even in the face of unprecendented sanctions

>>2743715
> Putin in the 2000s brought Russia out of the 90s disaster
LMAO



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>Previous bread
>2741523

Latest News:
>Special China visit to be delayed - FT
<Fire on the USS Gerald R Ford much more serious than previously asserted, "laundry" fire spread throughout ship and destroyed 600 berths
>US embassy Baghdad (greenzone) struck by drone, C-RAM ineffective - FT
<The entity claims to have attacked Larijani and Gholamreza Soleimani (Basij director), no evidence yet provided.
>Shah gasfield (UAE's largest) struck by drone - FT
<Witkoff lies about contacting Aragchi
>Pirates of the Arabian have entered the chat
<Trump is begging 7 countries (in 5 years) to help police Hummus
>China insists the pool is still closed
<Putin? I don't know what putin is doing tbh
>More ACK's and More ACK's to come from USAF (and fizzlers)
<OIL STILL RISING
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Morgan' anti-imperializt sisters! What did I miss?

>>2744259
Or better yet, they need to mine the airfield so that they have to stop using the air port for demining

Thank you anon for making the emergency bake BTW

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>>2744263
<Captain Sinbad Invites You To New Bread
>>2744263
<Captain Sinbad Invites You To New Bread
>>2744263
<Captain Sinbad Invites You To New Bread
>>2744263
<Captain Sinbad Invites You To New Bread
>>2744263
<Captain Sinbad Invites You To New Bread
>400 lbs turk is breaking into my chimney again

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