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What is /leftypol/'s stance on Haz Al-Din's American Communist Party? Is it based or cringe? How does it compare to other communist movements in America?(No Haz)
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>>2266224
>What is /leftypol/'s stance on Haz Al-Din

>>2267773
>that is doing praxis
What have they actually done?

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>>2268799
stuff like this

>>2269570
It's a shame they haven't got a London branch.
I've got a bin bag full of unwashed clothes. It'd be really handy if they'd take it to the launderette for me.

>>2269570
other orgs can't compete, ACP walks the walk



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many people are rightly coming to the conclusion that you fundamentally cannot fix this. the idea of marxist socialism is just a more efficient capitalism; one without "contradictions", where the rape of the earth and its people will serve an abstract "mankind", even as it is conceptually abolished. we're all being taken on a ride to the extinction of the species, and you are either for it, or against it. this is pure theology - good vs evil. which side are you on?
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>>2257390
Primitivism only leads to these primitive societies completely crushed by technologically more advanced ones. We must improve and advance society instead of devolving back to agrarian feudalism or even worse caveman hunter-gathering.

>>2258629 we could do all those things and reverse environmental decline if we had an economic system not based on comsumerism

>>2257389
mods should make an /ecofash/ board for posts like this, they'll make a board about anything as long as they don't have to mod it.

oh and just to be perfectly clear, marxism is pro-rape, we just fucking LOVE rape, just RAPE the earth!!!

>>2258570
Nah come on, we’ve had reductions of life down to less than 1% of the biosphere and it came back

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>>2258570
>well-being
does more of the same misery lead to happiness? we can see how slaves may end up enjoying their captivity, like people using treadmills recreationally. does this make them free, in their ignorance?
>life has an expiration date
and industrial enterprise doesnt? this whole thing is unsustainable. we're not going to mars, bro.
>>2258574
>demoralisation thread
<stop telling people that theyre in hell, bro
very "marxist" of you
>doesnt know what capitalism is
the slavery of the planet to profits
>marxist socialism
the slavery of the planet to an abstract humanity; the sublime anthropocene, which simultaneously abolishes humanity.
>>2264307
you cant reason with devil worshippers



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Hamas frees soldier Edan Alexander as Gaza faces bombardment, famine risk
Despite the release, Israel has made no commitment to a broader ceasefire. “There’s nothing in exchange, no release of Palestinian prisoners, no pause in the fighting,” Salhut said. “If there are going to be any sort of negotiations, they’re going to happen under fire,” Salhut added, referring to the Israeli government’s prevailing line.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/hamas-frees-us-israeli-soldier-as-gaza-faces-bombardment-risk-of-famine
https://archive.ph/jLxBR

Turkey’s pro-Kurdish parties call for rights as PKK agrees to disarm
The Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) appears to be moving toward disarmament and dissolution following its 12th congress earlier this week, fueling cautious optimism among pro-Kurdish parties in Turkey for a peaceful resolution to the decades-long conflict between the PKK and the Turkish state, and a renewed momentum for advancing Kurdish rights through political means.
https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/11052025
https://archive.ph/3qFIH

Government votes to legally nullify any Palestinian efforts to register land in majority of the West Bank
On Sunday, the Israeli cabinet agreed that in Area C, Israel would now make all decisions about land, and any Palestinian efforts to recognise land using its own land registry would be legally void. … Israel Katz, Israel’s defence minister, said the move would lead to the “strengthening, consolidation and expansion” of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-take-full-control-land-registry-area-c-annexation

Ex-UK Special Forces break silence on 'war crimes' in Iraq and Afghanistan
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Warrantless Spying Report Signals Expansion of Domestic Surveillance
The report, which discloses surveillance actions undertaken during the last year of the Biden administration, details a marked uptick in querying of terms associated with U.S. persons, a decrease in the number of persons queried by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and most notably, an expansion of the 702 authority to include the war on drugs.
https://prospect.org/civil-rights/2025-05-12-warrantless-spying-report-signals-expansion-of-domestic-surveillance/

Tlaib Backs Primary Challenger McKinney Over Democratic Incumbent Thanedar
Tlaib (D-Mich.) endorsed 32-year-old state Rep. Donavan McKinney (D-11), who last month announced he is seeking to oust pharmaceutical magnate-turned Congressman Shri Thanedar, who has represented Michigan's 13th Congressional District since 2023.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/donavan-mckinney

Trump signs executive order to bring down prescription drug prices
The US leader also seemed to say that US pharmaceutical companies were not ultimately to blame for the difference in prices. Trump instead framed those high prices in the familiar terms of a trade imbalance with partners such as the European Union and said the US has been “subsidising” lower drug prices in other nations.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/trump-signs-executive-order-to-bring-down-prescription-drug-prices
https://archive.ph/3xXvF

Trump administration welcomed white Afrikaans while ending Afghan protections
Over 9,000 Afghans could face deportation after the Department of Homeland Security announced the revocation of their temporary protected status on Monday. DHS said last month that it would not renew TPS status for Afghanistan refugees, but said Monday that termination is slated for July 12. Permitting Afghans to remain tempoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Germany’s New Chancellor Is a Man Without Qualities
There is a telling rumor in Berlin political circles. Upon his appointment as leader of Germany’s Christian Democrats (CDU) in 2022, Friedrich Merz was gifted a copy of Il Gattopardo (The Leopard) by his conservative colleague Wolfgang Schäuble, the veteran former finance minister and then president of the German parliament. A dismayed Merz is said to have handed back the book shortly after, exclaiming: “But this is a novel — what am I supposed to do with this?” The novel in question, narrated by the last aristocratic ruler of a remote island principate in Sicily, revolves around the old social order’s attempt to contend with the threat of rapid political change, encapsulated by its most famous phrase: “If we want things to remain as they are, things will have to change.” On the surface, this isn’t too dissimilar from the situation in which Merz finds himself. The new German chancellor, sworn in on Tuesday after a shaky confirmation vote in parliament, was once dubbed “the prince of neoliberalism” and is very much an unreconstructed representative of a system whose time has come.
https://jacobin.com/2025/05/germany-merz-chancellor-cdu-neoliberalism

In May Immortals Week: The Main Thing On The Path Of Fhe Immortals is Organization And The Struggle! — DKP/BÖG
The struggle for revolution and socialism has always been carried to the present day by paying a great price in the lands we live in. It is not possible to be revolutionary without paying a price in the geography we live in. We are also representatives of a political tradition that has paid a great price for the freedom struggle of the working class and the oppressed based on the needs of the class struggle. Our Party Founding Leader, Commander and Teacher Ulaş Bayraktaroğlu, who played a great role in bringing us to this day, was immortalized on May 9, 2017. Our immortals will always continue to lead and guide us in our march to the future. On this occasion, we consider it our duty to state once again that we will walk with the most determination in the revolutionary march opened by our immortals in the person of our Commander, Leader and Teacher Comrade Ulaş Bayraktaroğlu (Mehmet Kurnaz), which is the beginning of the Immortals Week.
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>>2266278 (me)
USSR+Eastern bloc gone, Saddam gone, Assad gone, PLO cucked, PFLP greatly diminished in influence, Iran still standing but increasingly isolated and sanctioned.
Yeah, the Zios are gonna be alright.

>>2266272
Yeah it's really crazy that Israel treated wounded ISIS soldiers. And that ISIS never attacked Israel. Really strange.

>>2266284
ISIS was the most effective anti-Assad operation ever. While they did not win imediately, the sack of shit they left behind in Syria eventually caused Assad to lose.

>>2266273
There are still enough people believing their bullshit + they got their friends in power of the countries that matter. It's not like they are in any danger at the moment. And if too many people start to notice, they will just wait it out 4-5 years before most have already forgotten again. Also, Israeli propaganda at the moment is mainly deflecting at "look, other people are bad too whatabout them??" rather than actually defending Israel. They just want to muddy the water so that self-proclaimed centrists will come to a ""middle-ground"" where both sides are considered "problematic" and thus Israel's actions are seen as more acceptable

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>>2266276
As absurd as it sounds, he's entirely correct about it being a common debate topic in Israel. The Israeli state does in fact commonly discuss cutting the aid they get from the US, so as to not have to rely so much on it for permission and go ahead. This was more obvious last administration then this one.



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Against the Based-Retard Theory of Trumpism

TLDR: Trump is neither a useful idiot nor just an idiot.

Many anons here have subscribed to what I call a based retard theory of Trumpism. That Trump is, through his incompetence, unintentionally accelerating the demise of the western-led capitalist world order.

It is obvious to everyone that the western-led international order is indeed fracturing, and quite possibly, ending or beginning to end. However, the question is, why, and what will replace it?

According to liberals, since world war 2, the US has (for more or less selfless reasons) promoted a “rules based, international order” based on liberal democracy, market (capitalist) economies and “international law”. This, according to liberals, has allowed the world to avoid the sorts of nationalism, mercantilism which led to conflicts such as world war one and world war two in favor of peace and global prosperity.

People on the left (especially far left) have often disagreed with this view for several reasons. One, they point out that the United States has often ignored so-called international law in pursuit of their own interests while using it to punish other, smaller nations. That IMF loans often came with conditions which for example incentivized or coerced countries into privatizing and liberalizing parts of their economy. Or were in other ways exploitative. That in practice, rich nations took advantaged of poorer ones, and the rule of markets simply became a proxy for the rule of western (especially US) capital, and a way to launder neocolonial exploitation.

However, in the years since the end of the Cold War, alternative economic powers have risen, such as the so-called “BRICS” nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa). The rise of BRICS, especially China in particular, has meant that the rule of markets is no longer is synonymous with the rule of western corporations.

The reason liberals are confused is because they are people who have drunk the neoliberal cool aid and unironically believe that the spread of market based economies and their integration into the global trade system is a positive sum game that benefitted all nations, when in reality it primarily benefitted the west at the expense of the third world sweatshop-slave.
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>>2232156
>You think about serial killer Nazi cults you realize these people want to be Aztec god-king types, bloody human sacrifice, rule by terror kind of economy … Of course, you can't go back and this impulse is reactionary. It will never succeed and just mess stuff up.
I think you might be onto something, but to note an opposite (everything contains an opposite) is that this Wicca-fash stuff is also magical-thinking-powered, ego-driven, fantasy-based Don Quixote adventurism. Like, probably fueled by mania or drugs in the moment, that they're doing something in real life that will turn out like a movie, or like a great-man version of remember they half-remember from intro college courses – and then racial holy war will commence, and put-upon, self-pitying individuals like themselves will get broken out of prison or something and become sex gods or worshipped martyrs. The revolutionary class isn't even replaced by white people often enough, but themselves, like fantastical super-knighthoods at most, although that makes them easily folded into doing dirty tricks by glowies because they're keen to impress the other guys they're with.

>>2190838

Soft power basically translates to bribes or threats in one way or another. That ability is dissolving with the American imperial / petrodollar power. Trump isn't causing that; Trump is the political reaction to that reality. Dissolving usaid makes sense in that we can't continue the global empire in that way - we can't afford it; so why maintain the infrastructure.

>>2199303
>*coincidentally* arresting all Marxist activists
All Marxist governments cracked down on self proclaimed "Marxist" dissidents. Your LE BASED Gang of Four would have done the exact same thing. Grow up you liberal moron.

APOLOGIZE

https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-eu-nastier-than-china/
Based retard bends knee to China

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/multiple-western-press-outlets-have
Based retard shows his fat orange ass to Netanyahoo

>>2265959
Its hard to tell who's winning, but its too early to call this a china victory anon. Trump admin seems to be spinning this as a "total reset" on trade relations i.e. a victory



 

A lot of what passes as anti-racism today is actually ethnic self-advocacy, not moral universalism. People don’t want a world free of racism, they want a world where their group wins.

Most people are wired to defend their own in-group first, whether that’s based on race, religion, nation, or caste. Universal humanism is harder.
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>>2265864
Nah, I sometimes lurk right-wing African-American, Nigerian, Indian or Asian forums to test the waters and check the vibes and they ban their members for posting /pol/ garbage but white is switched out with their ethnicity. Its just crackers being too edgy and totally weirding out everybody.

>>2265864
The USA is packed to the brim with grifters, I don't take anyone from there seriously.

>Universal humanism is harder.
kys


>>2265910
I'm even more racist than him and I bench 325lbs and have a resting heart rate of 54 BPM and could beat the shit out of you or any man you're related to.



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Should I invest in pharma when their stocks drop?

new thread >>2265965

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>>2265963
big '21, if you look at the bottom




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I don't want to start a thing about generations, but I'll give my person thoughts on how Gen Z social justice for the "left leaning" side differs from previous ways of progressive thought.

Gen Z more liberal side overall social justice mix together conservative and progressive ideas and use almost conservative mindsets and mechanisms for pushing that thought? Look at moral panics, sexual purity culture, gender roles, etc. The focus on equity rather than equality has eventually on a larger scale reverted to a new kind of essentialism, artificial boundaries placed between in group and out group. Moral policing, shaming outsiders, almost a kind of conformist mindset at times. Some ideas are progressive and others are more conservative, but in discussions the second part often isn't considered at all. This isn't necessarily an absolute bad thing, imho social progress needs to be tempered by conservativism like a horse and cart metaphor. Society should overall progress but slowing things down for certain periods isn't inherently bad, it's necessary for Liberal democracy most democracies have it. But you've always got to analytically look at the cultures you're a part of and be always critical of flaws and positives. Taking them as a whole from what know and generalizing.



 

Are there any communist or general leftist movements that would accept someone who fully supports the workers expropriating the means of production, but still has chudish views on gender and race? Basically I think anything related to transgender stuff is a meme, and I think there are genuine differences in intelligence and rates of violence between races caused by genetics, but I also support the working class seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie. Is it possible to reconcile Marxist economic views with being a chud on social issues?
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>>2260850
>a movement that accepts privately held chuddy views
if you keep them to yourself how does the movement accept them?
>>2260856
>differences between human races, it would be weird if there wasn't considering how universal evolution and natural selection are
this isn't the same as
>>2260816
>in intelligence and rates of violence between races caused by genetics
this which is a pretty hard no at least for any type of marxist communist if you think those differences are something meaningful enough to care about. its also unscientific. intelligence and rates of violence are effected by environment as much as genetics and for the most part the differences in similar environments are negligible. for you to bring it up you must think its more than a 1-5% variance meaning something like you think the average person of one race is more than 99% prone to the same amount of violence with outliers being more than 95% or something like that. unless you are talking about how things are while accounting for environment and not talking about determinant capacity exclusively related to genetics.
>capitalist medical-industrial psyop.
do you mean consciously? because from some perspectives that might be true but not consciously and its more of an emergent property of social production. capitalism needs machines and division of labor that erases the meaning of biological differences with respect to its ability to generate profit for capitalists, but thats not something that will go away with communism, it will only intensify as technology makes those differences ever more meaningless, as marx says 'all that is solid melts into air'. its not that these are some kind of aberration to the natural being of what is human but that humanities increasing ability to manipulate its environment has a recursive effect on its capacity and what it means to be human. from a certain perspective this gives us more freedom to be what we really are without constraints, what is left behind was not really essential but historically transiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2261308
>But I also don't think human biology and psychology are a tabula rasa where inherited genetics means absolutely nothing
its a flip flop again. communists dont believe that either. there is a dialectical relationship between genetics and environment something like where genes determine a min-max and environment determines where on that scale you fall. you have have 200 i q genes and wont actually get that if you start drinking at 5 yo. differences between individuals of the same race are larger then differences in averages between races which are almost entirely due to poverty/capitalism, again assuming capacity and not how-things-are it would indeed be stupid to say there is no difference between people who grow up with indoor plumbing and electricity and people who grow up malnourished in a war zone.
>>2261430
>are purely physical attributes that make some groups better soldiers, or better farmers (at least when physical labor is necessary), better athletes
you know historical avg heights for the same race fluctuate massively with agricultural revolutions? yes a country that has food abundance for ten generations will have better warriors that is not genetics.
>breeds
aren't races unless you think the habsburgs are a race?

>>2260816
What stops you from just attending the labor related things? It's not a social club. Like if you have an org that conditions unionizing, for example, on attending events in support of LGBT issues then you just have a shit organization which is hostage to the culture war. It's not a matter of your taste or anybody's.

If, on the other hand, the problem is that you are so butt-hurt about this other stuff that you cannot possibly tolerate being around it… then clearly the problem is you putting those same things you decry as irrelevant over class struggle, not the org.

>>2265140 (me)
That said, you are naive if you think any sort of socialist success will reward your opinions on race. Hopefully, participating in an organization would develop your curiosity to separate the chaff from the wheat around social issues. Because while I doubt anything "woke" can do much better than courting liberals, your racism is still purge worthy.

>>2264971
>because if you think communism is when you refuse to discuss social issues and relate then to the larger system of capitalism
There's a very big difference between that and "I'm an anti-woke communist" Twitter profile adjective stew.

My end goal is to achieve a world where everyone's basic needs are met and the will of the people represented, and communism is the political manifestation of those goals. That's the end of it. I'm more than willing to work with people who have vastly different opinions on race, religion, and sexuality than I do if it means making progress on the important part. The problem with people like you is that you can never put the extra shit aside and focus on what actually matters. You get sidetracked by your hatred of blacks and transhumanists, and end up making that what defines you, rather than what actually matters.

>milk toast

Lmao

>>2265030
The difference is that Lenin and Stalin didn't build their entire politcal existence around identity politics. To the extent that they did, it should be viewed as flaws, not virtues.



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I just feel like I'm going to be like a reincarnation of him. I don't particularly like his theory but I think I am going to be a revolutionary.
My life circumstances, mostly economic, are the ones which are pushing me into being a revolutionary. That and despising all elements of bourgeois society, from it's unending moralism to its "entrepreneurship" (glorification of exploitation!).
This is my life goal. Maybe I will fail. But I will try.
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>>2263290

Red Salute fellow Ian Wright / Dark Marxism enjoyer.

Why dont you become the next Bordiga?

>>2263382
>the party did that
and lenin was part of the party and put in the work you fat retard

Lenin read and wrote a ton and he was a huge asshole to everyone (which was based because he really was right about everything) he could actually beat a debatebro in a debate (debates aren't about ideas, just how well you can present your arguments) and his brother was killed giving him leathal motivation.

>>2265508
>huge asshole to everyone
actually he was very nice, until he started discussing politics, then he would become an asshole.



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