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UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

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🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md

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>>2440180
Trump goons

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>>2440174
the worst porkies always get richer during crashes. it's just a liquidation of the middle strata. You might say "good" and that's fine, just keep in mind that the newly proletarianized petty bourgeoisie need to be reeducated, and not just assumed to be new allies

>>2440095
>the worst bourgeois dictatorship in human history is doing SEOs to keep up with china, this is communism
not quite but nice enthusaism

>>2440179
i hate genpol not generations because I think in terms of systems and not in terms of scapegoats

>>2440020
That's odd I never see zoomers and millennials beefing over anything that actually matters, it quite literally started out as boomers whining about millennials and still not realizing the oldest ones are in their 40s now, because they don't know what a zoomer is.


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So, lately I was wondering about free will, the idea that we somehow have total free will over our behavior sounds kind of absurd to me in some sense, be either genetics (you don't choose your genes) or environment (you don't choose your enviroment which you grow up), both don't let much of choose for the person, that how truly free are we? What's the LeftyPol opinions of the question of free will and the implications to leftist policies?
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>>2435777
>Amateur gnosticism take. I would never be so chalice as to blasphemy God comparing him to some petty made up authority like an admin.
You clearly have not read the bible. Stop blaming others for having a "blasphemous" view of god when he is shown to be such in the book authorized by him.

>Everything you think, feel, and choose comes from causes you didn’t choose.

<Your genetics shaped your personality.

>Your upbringing and environment shaped your values and beliefs.

<Even in the moment of “choosing,” your brain is just reacting to prior brain states and outside influences.

>So when you decide something, it feels free, but in reality, that decision was determined by a chain of causes stretching back before you were born.

<Free will, in the sense of being able to choose independently of those causes, doesn’t really exist.

>>2437295
no the point is more that things being as they are you cannot help but judge people and yourself as agential. if anything the copium is to think that you can effectively and consistently percieve the world as deterministic.

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>>2437127
That's fair
>>2437975
You assume I say angel or demon as a strictly black and white morality instead of reading between the lines of nuance. Higher and lower dimensions just means that. To us it may as well be called evil though as do you wanna be angry or sad all the time? Even sometimes? It has purpose sure but so does fire. Doesn't mean you wanna be on fire.
>>2438099
It literally doesn't. Did you read the Bible? Its all allegorical

>>2438159
>no the point is more that things being as they are you cannot help but judge people and yourself as agential. if anything the copium is to think that you can effectively and consistently percieve the world as deterministic.
skill issue


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>>2438907
This is the same song and dance the liberal Zionists do every time. Under the same broad slogan:

>The government of X is threatening Israel's existence by going too hard for the goals that we share.
>We are the good Israelis who do and believe 90% as the most deranged Kahanist.
>Focus on us as it is our struggle, not the Palestinian's or any other victim of US imperialism by proxy of Israel

>>2440036 (me)
And they always do this after the deed is done, to provide cover for it. While having otherwise supported the broad strokes of the Zionist project all along.

>>2440036
Bring them back Bibi!!

>>2438795

>>2440036
So like the liberal protests of 1910s Russia


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https://exiledonline.com/the-day-americas-empire-died/all/1/
>Tskhinvali, South Ossetia — On the sunny afternoon of August 14, a Russian army colonel named Igor Konashenko is standing triumphantly at a street corner at the northern edge of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, his forearm bandaged from a minor battle injury. The spot marks the furthest point of the Georgian army’s advance before it was summarily crushed by the Russians a few days earlier. “Twelve Georgian battalions invaded Tskhinvali, backed by columns of tanks, armored personal carriers, jets, and helicopters,” he says, happily waving at the wreckage, craters, and bombed-out buildings around us. “You see how well they fought, with all their great American training — they abandoned their tanks in the heat of the battle and fled.”
>Konashenko pulls a green compass out of his shirt pocket and opens it. It’s a U.S. military model. “This is a little trophy — a gift from one of my soldiers,” he says. “Everything that the Georgians left behind, I mean everything, was American. All the guns, grenades, uniforms, boots, food rations — they just left it all. Our boys stuffed themselves on the food,” he adds slyly. “It was tasty.” The booty, according to Konashenko, also included 65 intact tanks outfitted with the latest NATO and American (as well as Israeli) technology.
>Technically, we are standing within the borders of Georgia, which over the last five years has gone from being an ally to the United States to a neocon proxy regime. But there are no Georgians to be seen in this breakaway region — not unless you count the bloated corpses still lying in the dirt roads. Most of the 70,000 or so people who live in South Ossetia never liked the idea of being part of Georgia. During the violent land scramble that occurred after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the South Ossetians found themselves cut off from their ethnic kin in North Ossetia, which remained part of Russia. The Russians, who’ve had a small peacekeeping force here since 1992, managed to keep the brewing conflicts on ice for the last 15 years. But in the meantime, the positions of everyone involved hardened. The Georgians weren’t happy about the idea of losing a big chunk of territory. The Ossetians, an ethnic Persian tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>published 2008
aged like milk. russia got btfo in ukraine. america is still the most powerful country on earth.

>>2438620
>russia got btfo in ukraine.
it's been a real grind but I think russia won tbh

>>2438620
War's not over yet but Russia is winning. They produce more strike drones in a day as America produces patriot missiles in a month

george lucas

star wars

>>2438620
>russia got btfo in ukraine. america is still the most powerful country on earth.
Completely delulu. Russia is producing more military equipment than all of NATO combined despite having an economy ostensibly about the size of Italy's. This is why Joseph Borrell whined that Europe had become dependent on China for cheap commodities, Russia for cheap energy, and America for military defense. America basically carries the entirety of NATO on its back, though that's somewhat changing with Europeans finally increasing their defense spending for the first time since WW2. But they still outsourced all production to the "2nd world" countries China and Russia so they're fucked.


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>It is in the working class‘ interest to overthrow capitalism and establish socialism
is actually a normative statement disguised as a descriptive statement. It arrogantly elevates a Marxist attitude to a matter of fact. The working class has through their behavior regularly shown that they are fine with capitalism as long as there are enough goodies for them (hence why Westerners at best want social democracy while a desire for socialism has been a tiny outlier). Even in times of crisis this is the case. The rise in socialism is therefore an anomaly and not the class interest of the working class that is somehow innate to these particular class relations.

>Oh, but socialism affords worker control, and worker democracy, and guarantees everyone‘s base needs are met!
And again, who says every worker wants that? Not everyone wants to partake in the mental labor of organizing the economy, perhaps not even a business, not everyone wants every schmuck to have a say in organizing either, and not everyone believes that everyone is entitled to base needs, as cruel as that may sound. This isn‘t my opinion, but many people don‘t think that way and at some point you have to take overwhelming historic precedent into account and acknowledging that what you’ve claimed doesn‘t line up with observations. So the question becomes, will you adjust to observations that have repeatedly contradicted your theory (science) or stick to your guns (ideology)?
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>>2439894
>>2439895
source?

>>2439898
Here's a source on him organising a strike at a shoe factory for example
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/29/stalins-father-once-proclaimed-he-stalin-wants-to-turn-the-whole-world-upside-down-he-has-disgraced-me/

Here stalin writes a little on the same factory
https://redsails.org/stalins-shoemaker/

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>>2439898
During October 1899, he worked as a meteorologist at the Tiflis observatory (Deutscher 1966, p. 54; Conquest 1991, p. 27; Service 2004, pp. 43–44; Montefiore 2007, p. 76; Kotkin 2014, pp. 47–48.)

Rothschild refinery storehouse, where he co-organised two workers' strikes. (Montefiore 2007, pp. 90–93; Kotkin 2014, p. 51; Khlevniuk 2015, pp. 22–23.)

These are anti-Stalin sources btw who would be highly motivated to say he wasn't working class, yet even they say he was working class. So if that does not satisfy you, I do not know what will.

The idea stated in this post >>2439893 that Stalin went from seminary school to robbing banks is completely ludicrous. He left seminary in 1899 and only partook in one bank robbery that we know of in 1907, the Tiflis bank robbery, where he played a mostly auxiliary role, standing off to the side and phoning Lenin when the job was complete. It was his friend Kamo who actually partook in the direct action of the robbery.

>>2439893
Funny how people always just say anything about Stalin because they resent him so much. "Stalin never worked a day in his life" how dumb do you have to be to just believe that? It's ludicrous on the face of it

>>2439907
he was an intellectual, not a prole
>>2439904
>anti-stalin sources would be motivated to say he wasnt working class
why? what is virtuous about being a wage slave?
>meteorologist
<In this position, he worked during the night for a wage of twenty roubles a month.[80] The position entailed little work, and allowed him to read while on duty.[81] According to Robert Service, this was Stalin's "only period of sustained employment until after the October Revolution".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin
>>2439903
>Beso insisted that Josef should become a cobbler like himself, but young Stalin was more interested in reading. His mother Ekaterine saw young Josef’s potential and tried to do everything she could to make sure that Josef would be well-educated, hoping that one day her beloved son would become a priest.
he was an intellectual, not a labourer. God even intervenes on this occasion:
>When Stalin entered an Orthodox seminary in Tbilisi, his father tried to kidnap him from school to train him as a cobbler by force, but his mother was always there to help her son.
and he only organised a strike, but never worked there:
>They met for the last time in May 1901, when Stalin was organizing a strike in the Adelkhanov shoe factory where his father worked. He was furious that his son was organizing strikes instead of learning a trade as he wished.
his father still lamenting.


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‘Historic’: how Mexico’s welfare policies helped 13.4 million people out of poverty
When Amlo took office in 2018, there were nearly 52 million people living below the poverty line: by the time he left office six years later, that number had dropped by 13.4 million, a decrease of almost 26%. Extreme poverty also dropped from nearly 9 million people to just 7 million. In a country that has long suffered from deep inequality and struggled with economic precarity, the steep drop in the number of people living in poverty is a remarkable achievement and suggests Amlo’s policies had a measurable impact on the lives of millions of everyday Mexicans.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/18/mexico-welfare-policies-amlo

Colombian court frees former president Uribe from house arrest until it rules on bribery case
On Tuesday the Superior Tribunal said it approved an injunction filed by Uribe’s defense team seeking his release from house arrest. Uribe’s lawyers argued the former president’s right to due process was violated by the arrest order against him, as well as his right to a presumption of innocence.
https://apnews.com/article/colombia-uribe-court-ruling-house-arrest-release-be4a27e0605299f605930ef897b794f3

Colombia’s left urges Senator Ivan Cepeda enter the presidential race
Cepeda is the son of former Senator Manuel Cepeda, who was assassinated in 1994 during the political genocide of the left-wing party Union Patriotica. The senator started his political career documenting testimonies of victims of paramilitary and state violence in the early 2000s. He later co-founded the Movement for Victims of State Violence (MOVICE). In 2010, Cepeda was elected to Congress, where he became one of Uribe’s most powerful adversaries.
https://colombiareports.com/colombias-left-urges-senator-ivan-cepeda-enter-the-presidential-race/

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Senior Israeli official flees US after paedophilia arrest, sparking debate over Israeli impunity
According to police statements, Alexandrovich was one of eight individuals apprehended as part of the sting. He was charged with the felony offence of “luring a child with a computer for sex acts” and later released on $10,000 bail. He subsequently returned to Israel, prompting questions about how and why a foreign national accused of such a crime was allowed to leave the US before facing trial.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250818-senior-israeli-official-flees-us-after-paedophilia-arrest-sparking-debate-over-israeli-impunity/

US to ‘root out anti-Americanism’ in reviewing immigration applications
The latest guidance on immigration decisions said that authorities will also look at whether applicants “promote anti-Semitic ideologies”. … Under the new measures, US diplomats are directed to review applicants’ social media profiles to look for “any indications of hostility toward the citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles of the United States” before issuing visas.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/19/immigration-social-media

Kilmar Abrego accuses US government of 'vindictive prosecution'
Federal law allows for the dismissal of criminal charges if a judge determines they were brought to punish someone for exercising their due process rights. Such requests rarely succeed. "Even as government officials recognized both publicly and privately that Mr. Abrego's removal to El Salvador had been a serious mistake, the government responded not with contrition, or with any effort to fix its mistake, but with defiance," the motion stated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kilmar-abrego-accuses-us-government-vindictive-prosecution-2025-08-19/

Katherine Clark backs off Gaza ‘genocide’ comments
“Last week, while atPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

961 - The Dogs of War feat. Seth Harp (8/18/25) (Chapo Trap House)
Journalist and author Seth Harp returns to the pod to talk about his horrifying and expansive new book The Fort Bragg Cartel. We talk with Seth about America’s forever-war machine and the global drug empire it empowers, with a special focus on the case of Delta Force officer William Lavigne, who killed his best friend before turning up dead near Fort Bragg in a still-unsolved murder. We also discuss the rise of JSOC, the third Iraq War and its ongoing ramifications, the US military’s ties with the brutal Los Zetas cartel, and the eternal shadow war waged in the name of empire.
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/961-the-dogs-of-war-feat-seth-harp-81825

There is no Revolution Without Revolutionary Consciousness
Haiti is plunged into insecurity in all its forms: poverty, arms trafficking and trade, organ and drugs trafficking and a lack of transportation, all of which have plunged the country into total financial insecurity. For many, Haiti has never experienced such a chaotic situation in history. This critical situation is not without consequences for society. It forces the population to adopt a different understanding of life; many essential sectors in the society, including the universities, the media, organizations and political parties, etc, have suffered an unprecedented state of discouragement. These sectors have lost their true mission, which is to support the people by sharing a set of emancipatory values. The proper transmission of these customs and principles can help build hope in this total despair. Without this preventive education and movement, any group has a free field to approach the people and give them bad directions. This disengagement prompts anyone, including those in the most reactionary group in the country, to chant a series of words that sound as if they carry a series of emancipatory values; but very often, the practices and activities of these people are not in line with these values. Let us take some examples: a criminal gang leader who claims he is “doing social work” or “fighting for the people,” while others even say his group is conducting a Revolution. This creates great confusion because, in the context, the word “revolution” seems to have lost its Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

Thank you based news anon


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How come neoliberals argue that infrastructure should be built in advance to solve the housing crisis (which they created) but when PRC does that, the same neoliberals call them ghost cities?
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>>2439368
>neoliberals […] hope the market will produce enough housing
neoliberals don't "hope" for anything positive for the working class, they give deluded moral justifications for their dispossession.

>>2438974
Do not try to find logic where there is none

>>2439454
good point

Hypocrisy a lot of the time, but also there are legit ghost cities because the PRC doesn't plan housing, they let private companies do it, so when there is a economic bust like a few years ago and they run out of money before finishing projects = ghost cities.

>>2439098
So is the data that this person submitted wrong?


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Why do normies not understand the concept of coercion?

Whether Financial or sexual, it seems to be beyond their comprehension.
You can get thousands of people who think its acceptable for landlords to try to coerce someone into prostituting themselves, just because that person is having trouble meeting rent.

People usually don't understand concepts that you don't explain to them. By that I mean everyone, including you and me. It's likely that people are never explained what coercion is nor how it works because it'd be inconvenient for an entire system that runs on coercion if people learned a bit about that concept.

Did Chinese socialists really kill petty landlords renting out a few properties? I thought it was more like feudal landlords who owned vasts tracts of land. I could be wrong just what I remember hearing.

>>2439445
could just a be a shitpost

>>2439445
It was people that own shitloads of land
Its funny because they got rid of the landlord and did land distribution to peasants but then in the gcpr the now land owning peasants were the new landlords and were attacked lol


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22nd century historians will know less about the 21st century for certain than 20th century historians knew about, for instance, the 10th century, because AI is going to pollute academia to such a degree that it will be impossible for future generations to sort out real stuff from slop … is what I would say if I actually thought AI was going to continue development and not become a hyperinflated speculative bubble and technological dead end and historical curiosity looked back on with a mixture of pity, confusion, anger, and disgust.
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>>2437937
Primitive communism =/= idyllic smurf village, Marx and Engels knew foraging bands and tribes also experience conflict and scarcity and hardship
>>2437969
Marx’s theory of history =/= the Soviet Union’s mechanical interpretation of Marx, Marx’s theory of history was a fundamentally open one

>>2437937
>the whole primitive communism thing is so laughable today
Its laughable because neoliberal subjects today are domesticated cattle and unable to imagine a society that engages in collective struggle and mutual aid. The only way an NPC can even think of such a thing is if a flood destroys all their infrastructure and forces them to be "primitive" (actually human!)

>>2438694
>Are you a NEET? Get the fuck out of here parasite.
Liberal is baffled by critiques of liberalism, the only way they can reduce their cognitive dissonance is this rhetoric. If you know anything about Marxism you would know Luddites were working class movement that wanted to avoid being disempowered and de-skilled, and ultimately enslaved as easily replaceable cogs in the machine. OP talked about a lack of human history, and indeed automated tech has been infamous for being extremely lacking in technical documentation so people can repair the parts or whatever. its almost impossible to find information for some private companies machine tooling. Why? Because the workers who actually built that stuff were disempwoered, de-skilled, and ultimately enslaved. Its typical liberalism to call people "parasite" for not wanting the technocratic Jeffrey Epstein PMC class to enslave your family and dispose of them when they are no longer useful

>>2438944
ah, interesting. thanks for the correction.

Why would LeftyPol hate NEETs?

>>2438329
Is that the book where they say tribal people chose to be exploited part of the year?


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leftypol in 2016
>Occupy Wall Street was compromised cause identity politics. You know, all those people saying all men are rapist, all whites are racists,… We aren't those people. Those oversimplifications and generalizations obfuscate reality. Identity politics are an obstacle to class consciousness. The culprit is capitalism. And the solution is revolution to achieve communism.

leftypol in 2025
>All westerners benefit from imperialism and are fascist.
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>>2435604
You are an idiot.

/leftypol/ continues to be an anonymous *chan imageboard. This is a form, a structural material basis that influences everything on top of it. There is nearly zero barrier to entry and the cover of anonymity. It is openly a derivative of /pol/, in fact a reaction to 8/pol/. Anyone who doesn't want dirtbag shitposting can and should go to one of the many alternative forums!

>>2435599
You are also an idiot, comrade.

/leftypol/ was, and debatably is, a valuable part in the dirtbag left movement despite not being organized nor and organization. It pulled people from the growing /pol/ circles and resulting Nazi propaganda, same with gamergate. There are plenty of former fash here who were recruited not to us but to the labor movement through /leftypol/.

___

also, fuck oldmods (~2020-present). There were plenty of anons explaining why what they were doing was counterproductive and they did it anyway. This place could have remained a factory.
No, this isn't about 'the split', history has objectively proven both sides had actual, actual god-complex schizos and arrogant idiots among them, and each side failed to cast them out in time.

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>/leftypol/ meta thread
Nukechan and GETchan are better sites than either of the /leftypol/ forks.

>>2441055
>actual (emphasis) god
And who might that be?
Just curious. Oh so curious
I won't even ask if you are qualified or mention that this almost always hides liberal incompetence (well, my oppo must be this and that, where is the diff between you and the "right-variety" of slanderers, please? May I see it?
Whoops guess I mentioned it a bit. But trust me this, this is tame.

ah pfftu nevermind, I shall cease communication on this board.
Let this be my very last message. Also scroll up and compare with certain other posts. I am.
A totally different animal.
You know where to find me, if my guess be correct.

Fuck's ske

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Oh one last thing.

I can make the tor node shut up with little investment.
I do not particularly care to do so even after being treated very rudely, to say the least.
And don't give me that shit about "terrorism", you baby.
All conflict ends in negotiation except where one side is eradicated.
So show me you are if not a proper socialist (we all know you will not achieve that), that you are at least a real man, woman or child, not some pathetic facsimile of a human being. That is all wanted from the start.
That is my demand. Now pass this along.


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