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>Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass killings during Stalin's reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II.[1] He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940,[1][2] making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history.[1][3] Blokhin was forced into retirement following the death of Stalin, and he died as an alcoholic and mentally sick in 1955.
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>You're a LIBERAL if you don't identify with Nazi/NATO atrocity propaganda like Katyn!


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Source: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland




Natural reaction to scare libs away

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I see people thinking in terms of co-opting or "becoming dominant" in working class organizations, as if you do it by subversion and jostling. This is wrong. Look to Lenin - The way the bolsheviks became dominant was through consistency, loyalty to their stated mission, and proper planning and organizing activities. They came out above the menshies because they were down among the masses doing organizing work. They came out above insurrectionists because they were planning what to do beyond protest, and constantly justifying themselves. They came out above the liberals in the end because in the crucial moment, they aborted their own democracy because they weren't serious about it, and they weren't prepared to defend themselves. But the Red Guards were!

When it comes to promoting a communist (i.e. long-view, intersectional, working class benefiting) view within existing organizations, what's ultimately important is usually as simple as not losing the plot (because libs always will), and keeping the proper culture and conduct within the org (because libs will also fall into various self-sabotaging types of conduct, from bureaucratism to bigotry to machismo and allowing all these things to go unchecked under the guise of individualism). Only communists really have the key to the issues we face. It's wrecking behavior to try to enter any movement and bend it to your goals; enter movements because you think they are good and need to be furthered, and take them seriously! Liberals won't and that doesn't go unnoticed. Burnout is huge among activists and people involved in any kind of politics. We can prevent that with proper conduct and work culture, and an actual strategic long-view (working at a tactical level only, people eventually wake up and go "are we really doing anything?").

TLDR: behave yourselves, it's communist rectitude, consistency, and big picture strategy that sets you apart.
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They'll rise or fall without my engagement either way
I'd rather talk to people online




Im only in my mid 20s so i dont exactly think im vanguard material yet
You can larp as a bunch of vegan bolsheviks all u like if u want tho


>Liberals misuse
it is a liberal concept

end of story


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Actually no. Dab. (read a book) (also: imagine going into a thread to say "your informed model of events is actually better explained by random chance!" Don't come and disagree with LESS information)

Since you say congress I assume you're talking about the US -
I think the crisis also definitely includes the prison slavery and police brutality problems, the specific political disenfranchisement of black people, chicanos and indigenous people, and immigrants (documented and undocumented), as well as the current fascist push to literally dismantle public education as well as any kind of downwardly redistributive government role, while liberalizing (or making more amenable to bosses in general) labor law regarding people with no prior history of strong labor unity (minors, prisoners, undocumented immigrants)

So I heavily agree, and I think the way we will get them to fall left rather than right is to keep them away from identification with the dominant culture in society, with white supremacy and patriarchy. These things are not just fascist (they're usually more mundane), they are the way that could-be radicals make a conservative turn; they get their individual needs met by the dominant in society (the capitalists, the state, the institutions, etc.), and they decide that's good enough and stop supporting new progressive change. This is why intersectionality is part of the solution, and is totally in fitting with communist aims. >>1581436

(btw intersectionalism is actually specifically against this kind of idea of simple intersections (don't ask me why its called that then…) - for an example, within an intersectional framework, a black woman's oppression is not just a white woman's sexed oppression plus a black man's racial oppression. It's a unique position within society, that's not reducible to abstracted conceptions of "blackness" or "womaneness". Intersectionalism is the concrete, to right-wing idpol's abstract understandings)

TLDR: you stupid monke. You are correct, but you misattribute your critique.

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Let's talk about 'Interwar Germany' from around 1918 to 1939 (between WWI and WWII)

A reason why this is worth talking about is it's a common historical period that neo-Nazis point to as a practical success and say 'Hitlerism fixed the economy in record time!' (a particularly dumb example is >>1582246 ), and I'm planing to write some counter-propaganda resources so I'd like to get a wide view of the major factors at play, which made their sharp rise in power different from (e.g) the rises of USSR and the PRC. Were there any effective policies that deserved merit (either by the Weimar liberals or the Nazi dictatorship), or was most of their rise due to local conditions rather than political brilliance?

Some key points which stuck out to me:
>while there were large concessions with the treaty of versailles and some foreign occupation, and while there were nationalist, nazi and communist paramilitaries fighting in the aftermath of the war, most of germany's core wasn't invaded, let alone occupied (contrast with the devastating world war invasions and civil wars of both Russia and China, along with basically every other famous socialist-run country)
>the golden twenties (1924-1929) are considered a period of economic stability in weimar germany following 'radical economic reform', although this was countered by the Great Depression following, a major factor in the nazis seizing power
>weimar germany had significant economic and military support and partnership with the USSR from the 1920s until nazi germany
>nazi germany had italy, a notable ally in the region
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>Fascists don't particularly care about respecting private property
>they don't reduce the power of the state to interfere in capitalism, they don't care for "free markets,"
afaik this is wrong, which is exactly why their war industry was so fucking shitty, because they were obsessed with letting porkies compete and make profit


They think the others' methods don't work, and in typical cases don't recognise they have the same results. Neolibs don't say 'let's kill all the jews and gays', neo-fascists typically blame those groups for the world's problems and are more isolationist.
>why are anarcho-communists and marxism-leninists so opposed to each other, their end goal is literally the same


> they see fascism or "authoritarianism" instrumentally, as a means to restore the "free market" and destroy socialist tendencies, not because their views are equivalent to fascist views.
wow how did this fascism end up in my anticommunism?!?!?! who could have guessed this would happen?!?!?!??!?! they definitely haven't always been the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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You cannot talk about interwar Germany without mentioning how Stalin helped support the NSDAP in the 20s through covert means because they had a few socialistic elements (who either got purged or started to worship Hitler’s schizophrenic worldview). Hitler was also involved in the Bavarian Soviet Republic, as were other Nazis…


>>1582635 (NTC)
>why do neoliberals and fascists not have the exact same observations as i do?????!?!?!?!??????!?!?//?
>being ignorant enough to conflate equality with subsets
Fuck off to hex or wherever until you can have a productive conversation.


I’ve been in a church(not tied to any division) for Idk how long and I’ve noticed something about it and others like it. There’s a common sentiment here that what’s taught and what’s applied are two very different things in the Christian community. It makes sense here at least that people do their best to help their communities, other christians and what not be better and come closer to god. But it’s so typical for those values to be tested and often overpowered by conflict in everyday life. It’s not even just contemporary stuff, in the Old Testament there’s plenty of stories, fake and true detailing the existence of atheism, other religions and divisions in Christianity as a whole. The only thing consistent is how faithful people are in all of it but what’s being taught is multifarious.

As I’ve grown Idk how to feel about all of this. Blind faith can help with complete naivety of everything else associated with the Christian community when it comes to shared values but that’s it. What’s there to believe in outside of god if what makes someone holy means multiple things or if it even matters in some sects like Calvinism. And what if what’s commonly agreed on are acceptable behaviours internationally are suddenly vilified in them, like early baptisms and forcing people into the church. Something already heavily debated and argued over between christians all the time, some even in my own church.

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Why did the USSR back the creation of Israel and the expulsion of the Palestinians? I used to be a communist until I found out about that.
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there were plenty of commies jew, which at first even were most of their armed forces. Kibbutz were collectivized villages.
the hope they would manage to make a socialist state that would have welcomed arabs was coherent at first
obviously the reactionary retards and liberals won, and now its clearly a shitty settler state deserving of nuclear annihilation


I've hidden his posts pretty much instantly, if only all the retards used an easy to filter name


Similar case today with some people placing too much hope on some startup companies, which will then go bankrupt and therefore the same people cannot gain any returns from it.

Israel is a startup state, and the Soviets hoped that it'll become communist, instead it went full-blown Western-backed.

Is that enough for you, /pol/ basement dweller?


it seemed like a good idea at the time


>[The US] Is complicated.
Funny how the True Principled Socialists don't take the same "nuanced" approach towards the USSR or China that they take towards 0bama or the EU or the Libyan and Syrian "revolutions" and the Maidan.

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Daily reminder to pay yer goddamn workers.

>This corruption was sufficiently widespread that it led to a significant over-estimation of the size of the [ARVN].

>The presence of ghost soldiers and battalions has been cited as a key reason for the chain of rapid and disastrous collapses and defeats of the Iraqi army by ISIS in early 2013-2014 offensives.

>In 2016, at least 40% of the names on the Afghan National Army roster in the Helmand province didn't exist.

>the official count may have been six times larger than the actual count (suggested as 50,000 soldiers), or about +80% of ghost soldiers. "Ghost soldiers" and massive corruption in the military were a major cause of the rapid collapse of the Afghan government after the U.S. withdrawal.


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>my dad worked three jobs!


damn, this works against the rank and file soldiers since then the officers have self-interest in the soldiers doing a mediocre job in the hopes some of them die to enrich themselves.


Good point, it incentivises a particularly unethical officer to let soldiers die and not report it.

On a tangentially-related note of military corruption, didn't Castro get CIA dosh for being a rebel and then fuck them over? I heard that somewhere but never checked if it was true.
also daily reminder to find a Proud Boys/Neo-Nazi/GoyimTV contact and claim your non-existent cell needs funding. You could even collaborate with local communists to pretend you're active and putting banners up and then the commieparty get credit for 'taking them down' later that night (taking a photo of a torn banner in their backyard) and get a large cut. my naive intuition is that most antifa anarchists are too principled to get involved in underhanded win-win stuff like lying about success stories


>my naive intuition is that most antifa anarchists are too principled to get involved in underhanded win-win stuff like lying about success stories

honestly to me it just feels like a waste of time, and if you get caught it looks worse than if you never did it in the first place. grifting funds for these right wing networks is a great idea though and can be used for real work, could also cause disunity and suspicion in them


ukraine definitely is having this issue right now of officers confiscating dead soldier pay

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>Be German citizens in 1945
>Forced by occupying soviet soldiers to bury holocaust victims, go on tours in death camps
>Forced to feel at least a modicum of guilt for years of collective indifference and/or insufficient internal resistance to the nazis

>Be Japanese citizens

>literally nuked by the burgers
>literally occupied by the burgers
>literally have your emperor executed by the burgers
>no collective reeducation/reconciliation process, unlike with the soviets in Germany

<Germans today

<at least pretend to be guilty about WW2 and acknowledge the holocaust

<Japanese today

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That clip of Putin is so sad. The achievement of the Red Army reduced to simple nationalism. Darkest reaction vibes.


That is cause Russia is in the hands of capitalists


pissing on the memory of the soldiers who gave their lives to free Europe from Nazism


>pretending dengists and ziggas cant be well read communists
fuck off moron


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Uruguayan unions go on strike, again demanding shorter working hours and wage increases
Uruguay's trade union central, the PIT-CNT, carried out this Tuesday a partial four-hour strike with a mobilization, in which it again called for a law to reduce the working day from 48 to 40 hours a week. “We challenge the public debate that is necessary for our people to have all the clear fundamentals of what we consider to be the main labor law to be approved in the immediate future.” This was stated by the president of the PIT-CNT, Marcelo Abdala, during the speech he gave to the thousands of workers who mobilized and then rallied outside the Ministry of Economy and Finance of the South American country.

US state department declassifies more documents about Pinochet’s 1973 coup
Two more US Department of State documents relating to Augusto Pinochet’s coup d’état in Chile have been declassified, revealing how President Richard Nixon was briefed on the impending military takeover. The president’s daily brief from 11 September 1973, the morning of the US-backed military coup, informed Nixon that Chilean military officers were “determined to restore political and economic order”, but “may still lack an effectively coordinated plan that would capitalize on the widespread civilian opposition”.

Lebanon: Popular comedian detained after sketch on economic conditions
Popular Lebanese comedian Nour Hajjar was detained on 25 August after posting a sketch online where he talks about the deteriorating economic conditions in the country. According to local media platform Megaphone News, the comedian spoke about Lebanese army personnel being forced to take on multiple side jobs such as delivery services in order to make enPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Thank you based news anon.


UAW strike fund provides backstop to workers in event of automaker strike
The fund totals more than $825 million, meaning the union could strike all three automakers for 12 weeks before its backstop is exhausted, according to Evercore ISI analysts. "While the union obviously doesn't want to deplete this fund … the UAW has ample resources to continue paying its membership's 'strike pay' for many weeks, only running out of funding in the event of a prolonged" labor stoppage, Evercore ISI analyst Chris McNally wrote.

NLRB paves way for workers to unionize without formal elections
The board's 3-1 decision in a case involving building materials company Cemex Construction Materials could provide a major boost to unions by allowing them to represent workers in certain cases when a majority sign cards in support of unionizing, rather than going through the lengthy and often litigious election process.

Is China really buying up U.S. farmland? Here’s what we found
State and federal lawmakers are pushing to regulate foreign ownership of U.S. real estate because of fears that Chinese entities are creating a national security risk by amassing swaths of U.S. farmland, some of it near sensitive sites. A review by NBC News of thousands of documents filed with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, however, shows very few purchases by Chinese buyers in the past year and a half — fewer than 1,400 acres in a country with 1.3 billion acres of agricultural land. In fact, the total amount of U.S. agricultural land owned by Chinese interests is less than three-hundredths of 1%.

U.S. judge cancels hearing on Mexican suit against gun-makers, Mexico says
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Under Justin Trudeau, Canada Is Abetting Saudi Arabia’s War Crimes in Yemen
Earlier this month, a report from Human Rights Watch detailed a series of brutal killings carried out by Saudi Arabian guards on the country’s border with Yemen. Hundreds — many of them seeking asylum from the humanitarian crises created by Saudi Arabia’s brutal war in Yemen — have been killed since March 2022, with survivors recounting live-fire attacks. It’s ultimately just one snapshot of a war being that has reportedly killed hundreds of thousands of people, carried out by one of the world’s most authoritarian regimes. Meanwhile, in June 2023 alone, Canada exported some $247 million worth of armored vehicles to the Saudis — a less-than-negligible figure, but also just a small snapshot in a much larger pattern. In recent years, Canada has emerged as a leading supplier of weapons to Saudi Arabia, and the Canadian government’s own reporting shows that the value of shipments totaled $1.15 billion in 2022. Saudi Arabia, in fact, now accounts for a whopping 49 percent of all Canadian arms shipments, with the next biggest recipient (the United Arab Emirates) a distant second at just 17 percent. While Canada has provided other equipment to the Saudi military, including thousands of rifles, the lion’s share of such exports have been light armored vehicles (LAVs) sold as part of a monster $15 billion arms contract brokered by the Conservative government of Stephen Harper in 2014. The following year, having savaged the deal while in opposition, Justin Trudeau’s Liberals swept into office promising a more humane and multilateral foreign policy.

Private Military Companies Continue to Expand in Africa
In the wake of the July 26 coup in Niger, the world’s spotlight has once again turned to the expansion of private military and security companies (PMSCs) across Africa. Following the removal of the relatively pro-Western government, Niger’s new military rulers asked Russian PMSC Wagnerto help defend against a possible military intervention by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warning of the PMSC seeking to exploit the instability. In a continPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Does Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, Maoism 3rd Worldism or Mao-Spontex best represent the principles of Maoism Zedong Thought. From what I can tell MZT was only intended intended to be used in that specific historically in that specific context and if one desires to apply it elsewhere one must be able to extract its core principles. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism (Gonzalo Thought, Prachanda Path, Naxalism, New Democracy, Ect) seem to understand that & often tout themselves as the highest stage Marxism but I often hear they're just a liberal distortion of Marxism. Maoism 3rd Worldism somewhat makes sense in what they say about striking when/where the revolution fire is hottest but I often hear them described as idealist. Mao-Spontex are the Maoist branch of anarcho-communism & believe other Marxists don't take enough efforts against bureaucracy but Anarchists have a bit of a tendency towards utopian socialism. How much of this is true? & which one is the best version of Orthodox Maoism for general circumstance?
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It completely depends on the conditions of the country/subcontinent.

1. Imperial core: "Mao spontex"/cybernetic Maoism-Cockshottism
2. Semi-periphery: Marxism-Leninism (anti-revisionist)
3. Periphery: Protracted People's War (Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, Indians and Filipinos as guides for praxis)

All to utilize mass line. Third to utilize rural-to-city PPW. Second and first to utilize (eventual, after mass movement built and bourgeois class/state in crisis) city-to-rural insurrection.


>Mao spontex
seems like maoist bordigism tbh


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It is a sectarian approach to try and delineate maosim, mlm-mzt, mlm-pm, maoism-thirdworldism etc etc etc. It is actually very similar to utopian socialists (owenite, gorgist etc) who base themselves on some tiny doctrine or individual thinker rather than trying to creatively apply a scientific framework to the real conditions of history.
What lenin, Stalin, mao, ho chi mihn, joma all did was use Marxism, the party form, and the theory of imperialism as a loose guide to an incredibly complex situation. They did not apply doctrine, they applied their fucking brains and it worked. Gang of four tried to elevate maoism to the level of doctrine and failed politically. Gonzalo by started from doctrine and the shining path ended up failing pretty much. Mao succeeded by abandoning comintern doctrine, not because he discovered the perfect doctrine but because he realized that doctrine is not revolutionary theory because it is static. No amount of rhetoric can make any doctrine dialectical. Actual successful revolutionaries work on programmatic grounds and try to achieve that program by any means, they do not absorb a theoretical doctrine and regurgitate it, because revolutions are not led by midwits.

Why do doctrinal debates seem to concern the western left so much? Micro sext "Organizers" in developed countries are not often actually trying to solve any tractible problem and cannot creatively apply social science and therefore get in the habit of reading doctrine. This is shown in a microcosm in the achievement followed by the dilapidation of the CPUSA under Foster (organizing the steel towns, new forms of unionism to displace the reactionary AFL) vs Bowser (strict party builder, absorbing Soviet popular front doctrine)


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They can't reasonably be hoping for another Holocaust-type outcome. What do modern day Nazis actually want that actually has a possibility of succeeding?
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Go join the Ukrops and get obliterated by a stray shell fired by a dude with a soviet patch on his uniform.




I would say that this isn't entirely true, since they have the likes of Friedrich Feder who was the intellectual workhorse of the party(writing the NSDAP Manifesto and one of their few economic treatises[The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation]), however what is there just seems to piggyback off what you would hear from your average liberal—a capitalism without abusive credit, where government steps in to make sure the balance of small businesses is not disturbed(traditionally, of course, we can't forget tradition).

Modern Nazis(or at least the stark minority that do like to read) tend to copy the homework of libertarian economists like the Chicago or Austrian schools. How they reconcile this level of thinking with a welfare state(although it does make privatization a bit more sensible) is beyond me.


>Although other National Socialists disapproved of ᴉuᴉlossnW and Fascist Italy, Hitler had long idolized ᴉuᴉlossnW's oratorical and visual persona and adopted much of the symbolism of the Fascists into the National Socialist Party, such as the Roman, straight-armed salute, dramatic oratory, the use of uniformed paramilitaries for political violence and the use of mass rallies to demonstrate the power of the movement. In 1922, Hitler tried to ask for ᴉuᴉlossnW's guidance on how to organize his own version of the "March on Rome" which would be a "March on Berlin" (which came into being as the failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923). ᴉuᴉlossnW did not respond to Hitler's requests as he did not have much interest in Hitler's movement and regarded Hitler to be somewhat crazy.
>ᴉuᴉlossnW did attempt to read Mein Kampf to find out what Hitler's National Socialist movement was, but was immediately disappointed, saying that Mein Kampf was "a boring tome that I have never been able to read" and remarked that Hitler's beliefs were "little more than commonplace clichés".
>Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW first met in June 1934, as the issue of Austrian independence was in crisis. In private after the visit in 1934, ᴉuᴉlossnW said that Hitler was just "a silly little monkey".


anyone got that quote of a meeting between mussolini and hitler where the latter talk about being the reincarnation of a conqueror or some shit and mussolini is confused as fuck ?

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