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Hello peeps, I'm looking for any advice regarding trying to convince friends & family to adopt any belief even remotely critical of the system itself rather than the classic "what's happening now is bad but capitalism is the best we got" libshit excuses for every crisis caused by the latter.

I wanna go about this without *sounding* leftist to them, cus y'know how it goes:
>says anything sounding remotely leftist
>immediately triggers McCarthyist programming
>"muh gommunism 400 septillion dead"
>conversation dies

I also don't want to sound preachy or obnoxious, I'm not on any holier than thou shit to anyone rightward of me. If anything I pity libs and anyone who hasn't become conscious yet (except outright bigots/nazis of course), as said reactions are barely every out of genuine conviction but rather dogmatic kneejerks.

Obviously I'm not looking to turn them into red-blooded maospeak lefties overnight, but I just ease them into consciousness with lib-friendly language.
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>>2848599
No shit it’s not real class consciousness. I literally say to use populist rhetoric and messaging, not socialist class analysis, before moving on to the latter if/when the subject in question has been primed for it. That does not mean “reject the latter” and hide that you’re a socialist, but to recognize that if the person you’re speaking to is hostile to socialism, you need to meet them where they’re at first. Workers don’t spontaneously become socialists through abstract propaganda; they usually enter politics to fulfill immediate concerns: wages, taxes, housing, etc. the point is to begin with workers’ actual concerns and then show how these concerns are tied together through class struggle. Hence why Lenin started with “Peace, Land, and Bread” and then moved on to “Power to the Soviets”.

>Marxism demands an attentive attitude to the mass struggle in progress, which, as the movement develops, as the class-consciousness of the masses grows, as economic and political crises become acute, continually gives rise to new and more varied methods of defence and attack. Marxism, therefore, positively does not reject any form of struggle.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1906/gw/


>>2848633
>Hence why Lenin started with “Peace, Land, and Bread” and then moved on to “Power to the Soviets”.
Peace, land, bread is a slogan which hides material demands. Talking about elites mystifies things. PLB arose during war, famine, crisis. Here we are talking about particular family members. You must see that political slogans based in material demands of a class used to mobilize the class are different to populist, anti-communist rhetoric used to mobilize Legion, for there are many. You must understand that PLB came after 1905, and 1905 didn't come because bolsheviks engaged in populist rhetoric, but because they held the party line. Lenin radicalized an existing movement based in class, this is not the fucking same as talking with your family about the 'elites' or 'fair wages'.
>>2848669
What fucking 'trvke'? It's trying to use Lenin's theory of spontaneity and consciousness to explain (a fucking elephant) a minuscule local issue (a fucking mosquito) which isn't even necessarily class related, and fucking fails at doing exactly that. It's impressive.

>>2848781
>Peace, land, bread is a slogan which hides material demands. Talking about elites mystifies things.
They both mystified things. Do you think the average peasant, which made up the majority of Russia's population, gave a damn about soviet power, which was far away from them in a city that in their mind they had little in common with? The only thing they care about was small property ownership, food, land, and not getting shot. This and capitalist initiatives were why kulaks were able to expand in the first place. Unless you are clearly defining your policies via class analysis there will always be a level of abstraction that hinders, but can also potentially benefit, depending on how you use it.
>PLB arose during war, famine, crisis.
Capitalism is constantly facing crises. Arguably we are even facing one right now.
>populist, anti-communist rhetoric
The point is that the two can be connected, not that we should be doing one without the other. These are people who have a fundamentally pathological hatred of even just the word "socialism", due to 150+ years of 24/7 brainwashing. You cannot even speak to them using this word or they will immediately tune you out. Starting a conversation with concepts that, while incorrect, have the potential to break down these walls is not anti-communism unless you deliberately refuse to connect the two concepts. Socialists in the SSRs, such as Romania and Germany, used populist/nationalist rhetoric to initiate with the masses even when it wasn't their ultimate goal, such as when Karl Radek gave that (misguided) speech in 1923 where he attempted to connect the KPD's goals to German nationalism.
>1905 didn't come because bolsheviks engaged in populist rhetoric
The material conditions were, as you acknowledge, fundamentally different. They had a large amount of socialists, whether Narodniks or Mensheviks or Bolsheviks or SRs or whatever, and the term was not outright demonized. Moreover, even when not demonized, the majority still think either "socialism is when the government does stuff" or "socialism is okay, but communism is le evil and these are somehow two distinct things". We are personally still closer to 1850 than to 1917, unfortunately. This does mean we must Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

libs should be killed not educated. but you are a liberal



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can we get a thread going about the protests going on in albania right now ? i wanna know more about what's going on as a foreign retard and we seem to have no thread about it despite it going on for about a week at this point.


fuck your stupid limit, faggots
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>>2848318
Only if the empire is losing the war with occupiers literally on it's soil forcing the population to organize themselves outsode the government, protacted wars on the other aide of the ocean do jack shit

>>2833824
This could result in the restoration of communism in Albania (hopefully) as hoxha is still popular

>>2848318
>wars destroy empires
I don't care about empires. I care about capitalism.

You can clealy see this is a CIA backed colour revolution against a socialist government. Hopefully the zionist treatlerites will get gunned down in the streets. Long live comrade Kushner.

albanians are retarded ever since hoxha died



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The fact that Indians of all people manage to convert social media memery into actual IRL movement that not only draws people but actually succeeded in their demands is vindication of the fact that the problem with Western politics isn't social media or a lack of a vanguard party but that Westerners are decadent bugment unable to commit to politics
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>>2877458
God that would be so based. The Elite Tech capitalists and their lib dog slobbers will seethe hard if this happens.

>>2877490
stfu timmy you're larpy enough less larp might fix your shitlib movement

>>2877453
>one has to intervene rather than discarding them like some aristocratic retard
Tell that to op who thinks it's ok to do that as long as its with "westoids" and not the noble savages of the 3rd world (both empirically as ineffectual btw)

and achieved nothing lol, nepal is now ruled by a cuck sellout as all those other cuck nations, literally cuck uprisings. Achieved nothing, replacing one porky with another

>>2877786
Ermmm but Bangladesh Gen Z installed a wholesome 100 boomer banker they're AES now



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Borders are an archaic and barbaric concept. No human is illegal unless they’ve committed a crime. A REAL crime. Not just the crime of being from Mexico. Our immigration systems are purposefully undermined, underfunded, and extremely limited in the amount of people they let in to the point of functional impossibility.

Lynch ICE in the street.
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>>2876840
neoliberal theory would endorse open borders, but actually existing neoliberalism is a different beast and enjoys the current persecutory nativist pandering of national borders.
if i am quite honest, i sympathise with a lot of neoliberal theory and regard it as having been failed by its practitioners.
e.g. much of the material base of Trumpism is people in regulated industries like car dealerships, soda bottling plant owners, etc, which should be deregulated and opened to market competition, but - as neoliberal public choice theory would predict - these people can lobby politicians to leave them alone while the beneficiaries of a more competitive car dealership/soda market cannot lobby you because they do not exist yet and consumer interests are too diffuse to lobby for it. Meanwhile, something like airline deregulation has succeeded at basically all of its original aims, and trade is - despite all the whining - basically a universal good. Actually-existing neoliberals compromised on all of these, e.g. Reagan and Thatcher also indulged a large degree of protectionism, Blair and Clinton pandered to all kinds of reactionary sentiments, and basically all of them got more worked up about tax cuts + fiscal rectitude than deregulation+trade, which are the actually valuable parts of the theory. Many modern problems could've been resolved or avoided if we had more neoliberalism-in-theory and less neoliberalism-as-actually-implemented.

this is of course the tragedy of all ideas. actually existing Keynesianism and "AES" were the same, a bastard form ultimately doomed to collapse by their own compromises. Not for nothing is China effectively a coherent synthesis of AES and AE-Neoliberalism.

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>>2876840
>Where did the "neoliberals love open borders" meme came from? Neolibs love armed borders that function as human traficking hubs for collecting non-citizen slaves.
underrated trvke

>>2876547
>do you realize that the text describes how the English worker *perceives* the situation, rather than how it actually is?
he stopped replying because he realized you were right but was too proud to admit it

>>2876547
>Here again, you can see that the English worker becomes a tool of English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, strengthening those classes' domination over himself. Just as you are merely strengthening capitalists and aristocrats abroad—and their domination over *you*—do you realize that the text describes how the English worker *perceives* the situation, rather than how it actually is?
sure but Marx is also stating that immigrants lowers the standard of living.

>>2877374
samefag



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revolution in the imperial core is unlikely but highly necessary because there is no stronger imperialist force that can come in from the outside and ruin the revolution. the third world is more immiserated and has had mores successful revolutions, but those revolutions get rolled back by CIA coups, sanctions, bombs, opportunism, revisionism, etc. the opportunism and revisionism is usually a side effect of trying to protect the gains of the revolution from a stronger outside force without being suicidal. the core would not have to do this. they are the strongest force. who's gonna bomb and sanction america if it has a revolution? china? iran? russia? DPRK? Give me a break.
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>>2876664
If they’re politically impotent and unorganized they aren’t the proletariat, simple as

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>>2876666
how did we get from
>who counts as a worker?
to this?

>>2875832
>who's gonna bomb and sanction america if it has a revolution? china? iran? russia? DPRK?
All of the above

>haven't read the first paragraph in 'festo award

>>2876681
>All of the above
prove it

>>2875832
This is ultra-left and national-chauvinist in the most boring possible way.



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I wrote this as a proposal for both capitalism and socialism so excuse me talking about taxes in the example;

I consider myself a big supporter of direct democracy, however there is a problem that people point out that everyone can't be educated on all issues and someone has to write the laws as a full time job. I usually advocate a system of delegates to do this somewhat similar to 'liquid democracy', but I just had the thought that we could use sortition as the highest body.

Every year, or two, or something like that, we would select people via sortition to sit in parliament (or whatever you want to call it). They would have the job of setting the votes for the public to decide on. This would not be in the subject of full laws initially but in the sense of simple questions like "do we want to impose a tax increase of 1% on corporate profits to go towards education". Then the public will vote, let's say they say yes, then the sortees will draw up a law to that effect with the help of public servants/legal experts to give them guidance on how to actually do this and any potential problems with implementation. Then once that law is drafted, it will be passed and put into effect - however there is a time period of say a month where the public can object to the final wording of the law, if some number of the public vote that they don't believe the final wording matches the original intent, they can ask for a review of the law (let's say 5% of the citizens for sake of argument). Then there will be a public consultation process where the law is discussed with the public, and hopefully changes are made, then the new law will be voted on by the public who can accept or reject the final version.

Since this process is a pain, hopefully simple laws like "we will build a new sewer pipeline" will not have to go through this process unless there's some glaring issue with them and public debate will focus on genuinely contentious issues.

Anyway, I think this could be a good method to allow true democracy while also respecting the fact that average people don't have time for legal minutiae.

The biggest problem I can see is that the sortees will be reliant on the public servants/legal experts to interpret things for them to some extent and if those people tried to actively insert a bias into the process it could lead to issues. I think that this could be partly solved by ensuring these people represent a range of political viewPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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An issue is confusing suffrage and democracy. If the right to vote does not lead to the "rule of the people", then universal suffrage can persist, even by an absence of democracy. This is also part of Marx's naivety (1852):
<The carrying of Universal Suffrage in England would, therefore, be a far more socialistic measure than anything which has been honored with that name on the Continent. Its inevitable result, here, is the political supremacy of the working class.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/08/25.htm
Around a century of universal suffrage in the UK has not brought any supremacy of the working class, and so the capacity of voting is not a measure of either "freedom" or "democracy", and in fact, the opposite has occured. The political cartel of "representatives" has expanded to over 21,000 members in the UK, who are incompetent or malicious in their task of improving the lives of others. This has a simple explanation however, that the demand for politicians raises supply, and this is best achieved by the failure to complete tasks, like how our construction workers are incredibly ineffecient since it extends their salaries. We see a similar crisis of overemployment in such services as the Police Force, which has been duely commented on since at least 1994 (e.g. Francis), in how "anarcho-tyranny" is a perpetuation crime as a means to increase the police sector. The "War on Drugs" is a good example, while in the UK, there is a war against words. The manufacture of problems in order to sell solutions is then a large industry, and this infects all politicians.

The confusion of present systems of government are shown. In France, Germany, the UK and US, you have bicameral legislatures, which have majority/minority parties, as well as general representatives for the lower and upper houses of parliament, such as Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Speakers, and so on. This is in tandem with Executiveship, which in both France and the US, are given by general elections, apart from local elections. It is almost purposefully convoluted and wasteful, and the movement toward unicameral governments should be embraced. In the US, calls to abolish the Senate, and in the UK, calls to abolish the House of Lords, have popular demand from people. The "separation of powers" does not seem to preserve virtPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2877463
Dictatorship of the proletariat

>>2877473
Which looks like what exactly.

>>2877472
In my proposed system, the sortees would only be there to administer the direct democratic system basically. They decide on what forms laws and votes take but don't have the final say.

>>2877475
>They decide on what forms laws and votes take but don't have the final say.
But wouldn't it be a job of professional lawyers to this?
An issue of statesmen isn't in their expertise, but only of trust. Nobody in the world trusts their politicians today. So, if we are to have overseers, it has to be somebody trustworthy, which requires fatal penalties for failure, as well as competence to complete tasks. What exactly is this sortition lottery? Is it like jury duty?

>>2877475
>>2877481
Just to clarify, I think that a system of random sortition "works" in a representative democracy, but I don't think it works in a direct democracy.



 

Post your best diagrams, flowcharts, maps, timelines, cheat sheets, and visual explanations. Stuff that's easy to save, understand, and pass around.

No AI slop and no walls of text, please and thank you.
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>>2876976
Thats some lib shit

>>2876955
>>2876973
I have had a moderate amount of sex, still enjoy sex, and would like you to contribute infographics and educational content.

>>2876976
Oh joy, more spookery from libs that totally don't believe in the same bullshit as white supremacists just inverted.

Race and Gender are spooks created by the ruling class to act as divide and conquer BS to keep the working class fighting amongst each other.

>>2876976
>science is white
>also christianism is white




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We can — after extensive analysis — recognize that Bakunin truly conquered the bread.
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>>2875743
Nice pun, except The conquest of bread was written by Kropotkin not Bakunin.
Too bad

>>2876732
as the torah says,
the turd does not fall far from the faggot's ass


>>2876733
Somewhat to Kropotkins credit, he distanced himself from and ended up critiquing Bakunin along with some of the more anti-semitic anarchists at the time.

He conquered the MacDonalds



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https://x.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412
>NOOOOOOO DONT MAKE AI OPEN SOURCE, ITLL KILL US ALL BUT WE ALSO WONT BE ABLE TO CHARGE RENTS FOR ITS USE AND MAKE TRILLIONS WHILE RIDING THE COAT TAILS OF THE ASI GOD WE ARE CREATING TO ESTABLISH WORLD DOMINATION

Behold, the most transparent capitalist melty ever. These people are nothing but parasites and the entire American AI boom is nothing but a scam. The AI industry needs to be nationalize and strategic tech and arms control need to be created between primarily the US and China much less the rest of the world.
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>>2877377
companies like cursor and lovable just wrap access to chatgpt or claude in a pretty interface, so the minute chatgpt or anthropic start raising prices, which is what they intend to do to make their investors whole, they either absorb the rising costs and go bust, or pass the cost to consumers and go bust. meaning that their existence literally depends on what AI providers decide their price should be. with open weight models, they can just grab kimi, retrain it a little bit, and pass it as their own model, and not be tied to the whims of either chatgpt or anthropic. which is what cursor did with composer 2.

>>2877379 (me)
open weight models also mean that openai and anthropic effectively lose the defacto monopoly over the AI space, which means that they can no longer raise prices as a cartel to recoup investor money because consumers will just go to another provider. so if they have no avenue for profit through cartelized pricing schemes, then they can just go bust. so you see, either open weight models are allowed in the US, and companies like cursor live another day while openai dies, or open weight models are banned, cursor dies, and openai and anthropic get to dominate through a government-mandated oligopoly.

>>2872811
who is this moron anyway?
>a Visiting Fellow at Heritage Foundation
ah yes…
>served as Senior Policy Advisor for Artificial Intelligence and Emerging Technology at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy
>was the primary staff drafter of America’s AI Action Plan
okay
>he also serves as a Visiting Lecturer at Yale Law School
>where he co-teaches the Colloquium on Frontier AI Governance
whatever that means
<a lot more yada yada about AI and whatever policy
>graduated magna cum laude from Hamilton College in 2014 with a B.A. in History
LMAO. why is it the most unqualified people lobby for and make policy for shit they have zero qualification to talk about in any way?

OH MY BURGER, THE CHINESE ARE BEATING US, SHUT IT DOWN
OH MY BURGER, THE CHINESE ARE BEATING US, SHUT IT DOWN
OH MY BURGER, THE CHINESE ARE BEATING US, SHUT IT DOWN
OH MY BURGER, THE CHINESE ARE BEATING US, SHUT IT DOWN

>>2877342
>At the end of the day capital will embrace whatever reduces socially necessary labor time to produce commodities, which means embracing whatever is most efficient.
But I thought we lived in the age of imperialism and monopoly capitalism. Only losers have to compete.



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It was historically progressive for the USA to have the Yankees defeat the dixies.

BUT it would have been historically progressive for the rest of the world if the dixies defeated the yankees.

only ultroids and libtards will fail to understand
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>>2875461
Why was the Russian Empire pro union? I know why the UK wanted the South to win. Cotton for their textile industry.

>>2877306
Negative polarization against the UK

The South was the major interventionist region in pre-Pearl Harbor USA. If you want an alt history, have the North join the Axis in order to conquer the South.

>>2877309
Turtledove’s novels have the north joining the central powers in WWI, that’s the closest you’ll get




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