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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2817286
>So this is what fedlix was rambling about. if he had any social skills whatsoever he could have easily explained what he meant instead of making it sound like he was celebrating the death of victims lol
making sense is contrary to his mission. he has to say the truth in the most confusing and hostile way possible

American national bouj, about 150 years too late

>>2819110
i feel bad for deaf people who think the easter egg subtitles are what he's actually saying lol

>>2819110
the guy is wrestling with the contradictions but still coming up short. he thinks a mid sized regional business won't be destroyed like a mom and pop shop, but it will be. it just can't compete with a monopoly. this is why the teddy roosevelt era bourgeoisie in america did trust busting, while across the pond lenin was nationalizing monopolies and having them owned by the proletarian dictatorship. those are your two options. break up the monopolies which is just kicking the can down the road since it resets competition, punishes "winners" and makes the future emergence of new monopolies inevitable, or build a new mode of production centered around worker ownership of monopolies.

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Communism is an impossibility, you’re never getting rid of the division of labor. Even if you got rid of entrepreneurs and investors and replaced them with the state you’ll never have factory workers doing brain surgery or high level accounting. Unless you rotate which sector sets the government agenda (which will inevitably benefit itself above the wider community) you’re just going to have a dictatorship of HR departments, which would be worse than the status quo.
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>>2813589
>Communism is an impossibility
I will make it possible

>>2813589
>equating capitalist mode of production with expertise/specialization
You know that guilds predate capitalism by thousands of years right?
The idea that "entrepreneurs" and investors are experts is also hilarious - the opposite is true in most cases.

>>2813589
>you’re never getting rid of the division of labor.
so? division of labor is good. do you want plumbers doing neurosurgery?

>>2818963
If you have a problem with your brain, that’s your own fault and moral failure, every kind of surgery is just enabling bad behavior

>>2819008
Stop bumping slide threads, retard.



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Ibn Khaldun already had a labor theory of value and theory of evolution in 1377:

https://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Muqaddimah-by-Ibn-Khaldun-Translated-by-Franz-Rosenthal.pdf

Evolution:
>The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.

Labor Theory of Value:
>Now, as we shall mention, labor is the real basis of profit. When labor is not appreciated and is done for nothing, the hope for profit vanishes, and no (productive) work is done. The sedentary population disperses, and civilization decays.

HOW WAS HE SO BASED?
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evoluution nor the LTV were crazy concepts, i'd argue both existed in some form in the roman period

Marx never claimed to have invented LTV, he was very clear about being a critic of the inconsistent LTV of Ricardo and Smith.

>Ibn Khaldun already had a labor theory of value and theory of evolution in 1377
so did Thomas Aquinas, who died before Ibn Khaldun was even born

>>2818714
Both are far better than the revisionist Karl Marx.

>>2818714
Did Tom also invent sociology?



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>Soviet Archives

Reminder: There is no monolithic Soviet archives. It's an umbrella term usually to refer to the over a dozen central state archives in Moscow, which over the course of several mergers, acquisitions, and Renamings got the main previously classified government records and communist party records. Certain collections are open to the public. Other archives might be invitation only or by request of scholars. There are certain records that to this day are still classified, especially retaining to some of the operations of the Cheka, NKVD, and KGB are deemed to still be relevant to Russian national security and are usually within the FSB archives. The term could also include regional and local archives across the country and in other former Soviet countries. In the broadest sense it could even refer to archives completely outside the former Soviet Union, which have a Soviet documentary focus.

So just keep that in mind any time anyone refers to "the soviet archives" in a casual conversation. Maybe interrogate what they mean by that, regardless of whose "side" they appear to be on.
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>>2816658
gee beria, how come the politburo lets you have two typewriters?

>>2816658
Damn, I can't believe the Soviets would deliberately fill their archives with false documents to mislead western researchers 50 years later. What a bunch of dumbasses.
That's almost as bad as every old Bolshevik being a secret Trotskyist wrecker and Nazi collaborator and no one finding out until Stalin did in the 1930s. Was the USSR always this incompetent?

>>2816692
there's no need for snark
the implication is that there's people working in the archives, who have access to blank letterheads, producing documents that push whatever narrative the Russian Federation wants the world to see. there was a thread on this board a couple of years ago looking at the forensics of this, the conclusion of which is that either Beria used a second typewriter only for things like execution orders that put the USSR in a bad light, or someone is or was producing fakes
>That's almost as bad as every old Bolshevik being a secret Trotskyist wrecker and Nazi collaborator and no one finding out until Stalin did in the 1930s
do you have evidence to the contrary?

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>>2816658
>there's also the possibility that some purported documents from the archives are fakes
This is probably true. Especially from both Khrushchev, and the wrecker Yakovlev. The katyn massacre files were most likely forged, for sure.

All of the "Soviet Archives" released during Yeltsin's term are fake.



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Hezbollah drones limiting 80 percent of Israeli troop assaults in Lebanon
The report stated that anti-drone systems were being distributed to only a limited number of Israeli troops due to supply shortages, and that some military operations were not being carried out in daylight hours over fears of drone attacks. These drones have increasingly become a problem for Israel’s government, which has reportedly created a specialist task force, composed of military, defence and civilian experts, to develop systems to counter the threat. Israeli military intelligence sources told Kan that Hezbollah had moved away from a command and control structure, and was now operating guerrilla-style warfare.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hezbollah-drones-limiting-80-percent-israeli-troop-assaults-lebanon

'We don't know when the bulldozers will come': Palestinians fear expulsion in Khan al-Ahmar
The Bedouin village, home to around 300 Palestinians, lies in Area C of the occupied West Bank under full Israeli military control. Residents have for years endured repeated threats of demolition, violent settler attacks, and harassment by Israeli forces aimed at driving them off their land. Smotrich said he was coordinating with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli military to secure approval for the expulsion order, which would still require cabinet authorisation.
https://www.newarab.com/news/were-all-afraid-palestinians-khan-al-ahmar-fear-expulsion

Israeli police force Gaza flotilla activists to kneel with hands bound, video shows
The flotilla, having set sail from southern Turkey, was making a renewed attempt to deliver aid to war-shattered Gaza after earlier missions were also intercepted by Israel. Organisers say they aim to break Israel's blockade of Gaza by delivering humanitarian assistance, something aid bodies say is still in short supply despite a U.S.-brokered ceasefire between Israel and ​Hamas in place since October 2025 that includes guarantees of increased aid.
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US employers spend more than $1.5bn a year to fight labor unions, report finds
Employers spent company money hiring consultants and law firms specializing in union avoidance and on legal counsel, representation, and litigation services during union elections and organizing campaigns. US employers spend $442m on union-avoidance consultants annually, according to an estimate by the EPI. Amazon alone spent $26.6m in 2025 on union-avoidance consultants, based on filings with the US Department of Labor.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/20/how-much-companies-spend-fight-unions

US Democrats push to rein in Trump on Cuba as White House steps up pressure
A group of ​Democratic U.S. senators introduced a resolution to stop President Donald Trump from using the ‌military against Cuba on Wednesday, as his administration escalated pressure on the island's government by indicting former President Raul Castro. Democrats Tim Kaine of Virginia, Adam Schiff of California and Ruben Gallego of Arizona introduced a War Powers ​Resolution to block the use of the U.S. armed forces against the Communist-ruled ​island.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-democrats-push-rein-trump-cuba-white-house-steps-up-pressure-2026-05-20/

NTSB: Flaw that led to engine flying off UPS plane grew unnoticed under relaxed inspection schedule
The National Transportation Safety Board’s questions also drew out that Boeing relied on older data when it asked to extend the inspection schedule in 2015, and didn’t seem to account for seven instances on other planes of the same model when the key engine mount parts were failing. The Federal Aviation Administration, for its part, approved the request after a month’s review without seeking more information.
https://apnews.com/article/ups-louisville-ntsb-md11-plane-engine-d31d05f24d5a8277c76abae298d30e52

Tennessee man jailed over Charlie Kirk post wins $Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Debanking, an Authoritarian Threat to the Left
The twenty-first century brought the utopian promise of an ever more interconnected world. Champions of globalization aspired to ever more international connectivity, meant to discourage powerful actors from creating divisions that might threaten the well-being or existence of others. It was rarely mentioned, however, that global interconnectedness could also allow individual actors in key positions of power to influence decisions across the entire network. Nowhere is this danger more evident than in the now-globalized banking sector. The serious consequences of interconnected global banking and finance have recently threatened the left-wing German solidarity organization Rote Hilfe (Red Aid). Citing the Trump administration’s declaration of an enigmatic German antifa group as a “terrorist” organization, a Göttingen-based bank attempted to shut down Rote Hilfe’s accounts. Similar cases have threatened other left-wing and anti-fascist groups in Germany and across the world. It lays bare the threat that “debanking” — the shutting down of accounts or refusal of services on political grounds — poses to the Left.
https://jacobin.com/2026/05/rote-hilfe-debanking-germany-repression

What Do People Attending a Tommy Robinson March Really Believe?
What do the 60,000-odd people at a Tommy Robinson march believe? Surely – at a minimum – they all like Tommy Robinson? I have news: no. He’s a “Zionist shill”, “a grifter”, I was told by two of his own attendees. One man confidently told us he wouldn’t have come on the march if it had been associated with Tommy Robinson (the march was organised and emceed by Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon). Were they all, at least, united in their hatred of migrants? Not entirely, no – not least because some of them were migrants: Iranian monarchists, to be exact, here at Robinson’s request, they repeatedly told me. They held up banners of Robinson that depicted him and US president Donald Trump in shimmering light as saviours of the Iranian nation. Some called for the UK to immediately invade Iran. They were, at least, keen to underline that they were genuine migrants (as opposed to the fake ones you apparently get these days). Most of the British nationalists we spoke to looked on, bemused aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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a common naive misconception among the political left is that the ruling class don't care about the poor and the marginalized, but that's not true at all. they are very interested in these people - they hate them. they don't just turn their backs on them; they deliberately go out of their way to hurt them, they devote time and money and resources to keeping them poor and marginalized and preventing anyone else from helping them, they want them all to starve and suffer and die.

the ruling class are so wealthy and greedy now that they see the poor and marginalized as worse than useless. in a more quaint time they would enslave them and use them for cheap labor, but even that's not worth their time anymore. why enslave the poor and marginalized in your own country and deal with all the hassles of labor laws and minimum wages and strikes and lawsuits when you can just enslave people in some distant foreign land whom you can pay even less and never have to even see or think about, or just automate the labor with machines? in a more quaint time they would exploit their desperation and sell them worthless garbage at a markup but even that's not worth their time anymore. why scam nickels and dimes from the poor and marginalized when you could be scamming rich people like investors and managers and doctors and politicians, people who actually have money to spend?

the ruling class no longer see the poor and marginalized as cattle; they see them as vermin. cockroaches. a person of inadequate means and/or divergent characteristics is an insult to them, a vulgarity, a foul stench and an eyesore. they want these people gone, exterminated, to make room for people and things that actually matter. if you think this is hyperbole, ask yourself this: why do the ruling class fight so hard to destroy things like public healthcare and public education and welfare and food stamps and subsidized housing when they don't even pay taxes and these social programs don't cost them a dime? why are the ruling class investing billions of dollars into things like fertility drugs and in-vitro fertilization and genetic screening and incessantly catastrophizing about declining birth rates in privileged and affluent populations?

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>>2817803
If you produce a good and it is not sold, does the good still have SNLT?

The idea machines can't replace human labor because they don't have souls sounds like something a medieval priest would say. I wonder how they explain beasts of burden since they're probably the type who thinks animals are automatons who don't feel anything. Maybe they're woke on animals because it's more organic than a robot.

>>2817918
Can surplus production exist without surplus value?

>>2817923
Yeah, the holocaust for example

>>2816366
People misunderstand this. The capitalists are perfectly aware that they need employees. The capitalists just want to liquidate old people, the disabled and other minorities.



 

This is probably a very unpopular opinion but leftists should not oppose AI.

AI has the potential to make our lives easier as workers, but in the hands of capitalists, they will continue to extract our surplus value even as our productivity increases, exactly as happened during the Industrial Revolution. Instead of the workday being shortened, it grew longer, and under extremely harsh conditions.

We should use it to our advantage, create propaganda, videos, and information. Opposing it would be like workers in the last century refusing to use machines and instead wanting to make a revolution with picks and shovels.

Only when AI is in the hands of workers rather than the market will we be able to properly regulate its use.

>>2817713
I agree. Fuck leftists though, left wing of capital.

>>2817713
We do not have AI. We have fancy autocomplete that the bourgeoisie are going to try to use to decimate workers. It's going to fail, and the stock market is going to crash, because this fancy autocomplete is prohibitively expensive to operate.

>>2817713
Go ahead, use AI as much as you want, no one's stopping you.

>>2817713
wake me up when AI:
  • is actually intelligent, at least rivaling that of a person
  • isn't a needlessly environmentally destructive force
  • open source and readily available to anyone for implementation in applications outside of government/private sector
  • isn't a gigantic speculative bubble



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anarchist here. so i have been thinking about this a lot lately. should we be doing things to literally "seize" the means of production by producing goods and services in our own homes (for those of us lucky enough to have homes), and then giving these goods and services to others (mainly people we know such as friends etc. but giving to strangers is based too) free of charge? a sort of underground gift-based economy, that is? obviously this cannot substitute entirely for collective workers' struggle and i don't think we should stop doing that. i do think that building an underground gift economy based on homemade goods could be very beneficial to the cause of liberation though. did you know that there are fruits and vegetables you can literally grow indoors?
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>>2818173
bro got mad puss with his crazy peasant magick tho, he even got to plow the empress. Pretty cool if you ask me

>>2818175
Yes, I suppose he did. Good for him, I'm sure it brought him fulfillment and satisfaction.

>>2818177
His secret technique was that he knew women could orgasm, which wouldn't become public knowledge in russia until after the revolution. You could learn a thing or two from this guy anon

>>2818101
MODS=GODS

>>2817446
>literally "seize" the means of production
>by producing goods and services in our own homes
this is literally not seizing anything and simply trying to start your small business
>and then giving these goods and services to others […] free of charge
wait not a business, a charity
>underground gift-based economy
it will be simply irrelevant to the economy at large. Theres a reason we produce shit in massive factories and big machines, and that the rich and powerful own these. Go read some marxist theory



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I have a hard time believing that any of us would care about capitalism if we had "made" it. Through bad circumstances, bad choices, bad relationships, lowly class origins, or disability, we have ended up here at the end of history. I can't help but think about what it's like to be a winner. How often do they think about us?
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>>2816980
>if one has no stake in the capitalist system, then one may well turn against it
he is so close to realizing that it is necessary for capitalism to function that most people be proletarian and therefore have no stake in its continuation

>>2816872
CIAnonymous coming in hot with another banger.

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guy who doesn't know who friedrich engels is thread #728957972

>>2817294
>implying everyone is as moral as Engels

>>2817789
>im wrong but im going to ignore any evidence that proves me so

yeah ok



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One common stereotype regarding today’s western atheists is that they are predominantly white, male, and from Christian backgrounds, and this demographic profile stands to this day based on the latest polls on the atheist community.

And as pointed out by people like Contrapoints, both the alt-right and the SJWs of the 2010s were products of the New Atheism movement, the bulk of its members being, once again, white males from Christian households.
So this begs the question: Did they leave because the churches weren’t racist enough following the adoption of the civil rights movement’s philosophy by most churches in the 1990s?

As polemical and farfetched as it sounds, I don’t necessarily think it’s improbable given the obvious demographic profile, the fact that the decline in Christianity (in America, Canada, and Australia at least) and rise of sub-cultures were heavily driven by young middle-class white people (especially white men) who left the churches, and that was back when the churches were at least nominally anti-racist following the decline of the white nationalist movement as a significant political bloc in both the north and the new south, as well as the fact that whilst elevatorgate did drive many young white atheist men into further reactionary politics (e.g., the “redpill”, incels, scientific racism, transphobia, etc…) the reactionary streak was there since the beginning as the “four horsemen” used bait-and-switch tactics in their writings to sell the message during the GWOT era: “You don’t need to be a fundamentalist Christian to support another crusade in Iraq”, as well as the universalist civilisational rhetoric. and that was long before the “horsemen” like Harris and Dawkins began to promote a particularist view of the west as it becomes clear that its hegemony is being challenged by nominally non-liberal countries like Russia and China.

There’s also the fact that Christianity in America and elsewhere in what made up old Christendom hasn’t gained any more followers outside of mass immigration as seen how churches across Europe and elsewhere in north America and Australia need to import priests to fill the roles of the clergy as white people there don’t wanna work in churches. While it can be argued that much of it is to do with how Christianity’s universalism is clashing with the increasing particularism of white people who only want Christianity if it affirms white identitarianism, that still wouldn’t support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2816733
When did I say that

>>2815344
You brought up American prostestantism as a distinct entity out of no-where as if American protestantism is distinct from American catholicism for some reason, despite almost having the same material base, when it was Catholic judges that abolished Roe and American Catholics, outside of FOB hispanics have the same politics as protestants and argued based on scripture, as if people follow some coherent rational theology. That's why I called you an idealist.

>>2815333
>look at my random shart that displays formal membership to mainstream religious institutions that has no correlation whatsover with actual political influence

>>2816875
ding ding ding

Vulgar Whiggism is not materialist analysis. By all objective accounts Christian nationalism has never been stronger than right now. Within the US and outside of it, especially in Latin American. Radical chuches, especially those pro-civil rights have been subverted. Evangical zionism reigns hegemonically, sedevacantism is at an all time high.

OP is totally delusional.



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