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 No.542900[Reply]

Does anyone else really love this show? In terms of its production quality for the early 2000s, it still looks great today. I recently copped myself a Blu-ray edition of the entire reimagined series. Not to count great characters, acting, action, drama, and lore. If you haven't seen this before definitely give it a watch. Also, critical support to the based Cylons lead by Comrade Cavil. Fuck the bourgeois cosmopolitan KKKapricans and 12 KKKolonies of Kobol.

 No.542937

>Does anyone else really love this show?
shaky cam, primal drums, ambiguous ending. no, I hate this show and everything it represents and inspired.
>In terms of its production quality for the early 2000s, it still looks great today. I recently copped myself a Blu-ray edition of the entire reimagined series.
I have to agree, it had a high budget
>Not to count great characters, acting, action, drama, and lore.
Who can forget such amazing characters as "racist man who hates robots turns out to be a robot" and "racist woman who hates robots turns out to be a robot" and "drunk captain who likes loaning out books"
>If you haven't seen this before definitely give it a watch. Also, critical support to the based Cylons lead by Comrade Cavil. Fuck the bourgeois cosmopolitan KKKapricans and 12 KKKolonies of Kobol.
k

 No.542938

Go give >>>/hobby/ some love



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 No.542342[Reply]

Do Marxism and Marxism-Leninism make both positive claims ("Is") and normative claims ("Ought") or only one set of claims?

Is historical materialism, in its formulation of historical necessity ("History is on our side", "Five year plan was necessary", "Cultural revolution was necessary") a conflation of positive and normative?

Are we motivated because we wish to to advance the will of history, because it needs to (this possible conflation of positive and normative) or because of humanism (the normative)?
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 No.542657

>>542420
>Karl Popper
Holy shit, kill yourself. The "falsification problem" is empiricist metaphysics of the highest order. Read this answer to Popper by Maurice Cornforth.

 No.542722

>>542342
The naturalistic fallacy is more often committed by capitalist ideologues in my opinion. Most infamously through the application of social darwinism . Capitalist ideology tries to reify its brutal inequalities by framing them as the consequences of a law of nature (to the victor goes the spoils) and constructs the economy as a bloodsport of competing interests selfishly seeking to overcome their business rivals. Thus the underclass deserves their immiseration, as they are simply unworthy of a decent life or prosperity. Obviously this is all lies, and a way to mask and rationalize the exploitation on which capitalism is founded.

While morality and a sense of justice does play a role in socialist thought, it prefer to think of it more in line with the utilitarian school of thought. It is logical for the majority of humanity to to emancipate themselves from indentured servitude, usury, and systematized, legalized theft. And in the long term, it is in humanity's interest to form a more rationally organized economy that is based on social need rather than the chaotic and fickle whims of markets. So it is not about what "ought" to be the case, but what is most in line with rationality and prudent engineering. It's primarily a technocratic perspective.

 No.542758

>>542354

This post basically answers the question.

/thread

 No.542773

Bigger question.
What do the theorems of Tarski, Turing, and Gödel imply for Hegelian thought?
Dialectical sublation arguably hints at and precedes the Incompleteness Theorem but Tarski's arguably suggests that there's no way to prove a dialectical process is correct or not

 No.542897

>>542544
This is the Degrelle spammer? The style probably resembles him.



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 No.541779[Reply]

I just came up with a thought experiment, you can tell me what you think

The question is whether or not the primary concern of the Bourgeoisie is Capital. I think we can rule out most things besides Capital like "the Nation" or other spooky stuff

Even seemingly nationalist minded bourgs will allow Deflation *within their own country* while raising GDP with costly and rare imports to other nations. This way they don't have to face a threat brewing at home at least for a time

The thing is for countries where this isn't exactly feasible, why wouldn't these less powerful bourgs just create an artificial receiver and indefinitely raise GDP while avoiding threats at home?

What I mean is, why doesn't NASA form a pretend space colony that only a few people are in on and import there? it's pretend too so it wouldn't be very costly, we have CGI now too and brainwashing the masses is fairly easy

My explanation for why this hasn't happened, though it may have been attempted, is limitation of resources compared to a population that would skyrocket
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 No.542188

>>541779
I don't get it, please elaborate

 No.542235

>>542188
Basically, if there was a way for the elite to prevent the profit rate from going down indefinitely while also ensuring prices at home fall, they wouldn't do it because they know higher productivity means the lifespan of Earth's resources will shrink.

Just imagine if we started pumping oil and gas out at a high rate and prices dropped. That would be good right? No because we're going to run out of oil in 45 years, doing this would make that more like 20 years. We wouldn't have enough time to replant trees. And as the population booms due to lack of scarcity, the lifetime of resource is cut even more

Resources will run out eventually anyway, this is all just an attempt to increase the lifespan as much as possible

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 No.542856

>>541779
>>542235
What do you think the metaverse thread is about OP. It's exactly the type of fake society for fake profit you're talking about.

 No.542884

>>542856
I haven't seen it



 No.542412[Reply]

Is it the end of the Internet?
We are currently in an accelerating global crisis beyond what existed on October 11, 2020 what with the still ongoing pandemic, global energy crisis, and now global supply chain collapse and subsequent declaration of the Second Cold War by the CIA
Now let’s look at the internet
>Consolidated into a few massive websites
>Entire oceans of data collected about the populace
>Increasing woke censorship across the entire web
>Endless bot farms replacing human programmers and moderators
>Small off-shoot competitors keep arising that only exist to compete with the currently reigning sites
>Big sites all vulnerable to crashes and data leaks on their own, so definitely vulnerable to hacking and state interference
<Coronal mass ejection will likely happen by end of the decade
It’s over for Web 2.0 and I’m glad, fuck Reddit, fuck Twitter, fuck Facebook, fuck Google, fuck 4Chan, and FUCK THE CIA
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 No.542630

>>542512
The super centralized web is gonna go bust once its patents expire, the only things that are holding up the major tech monopolies is their monopolies in intellectual property, once that expires then these companies (which are heavily indebted) have absolutely nothing going for them, that some alt-tech platform doesn't, sure the alt-tech might be smaller, but alt-tech firms have, much better fundamentals, they are way less capitol hungry, they don't have to pay for their own R&D, so they can spend all their resources on expanding their IT infrastructure instead of R&D. Eventually these alt-tech platforms might merge and create new monopolies, but they will be less dominate because America will no longer be unipolar so their will be some international competition.

 No.542669

>>542512
>In time the young'uns will wonder how did you even manage…
Already happened.
USB sticks and SD cards are "for boomers" because they're not the cloud.

 No.542687

>>542669
How do Americans rely on the cloud with its shit Internet? A USB 3 thumb drive has faster transfer speeds then most internet services in the US.

 No.542725

>>542687
sneakernet FTW

 No.542730

Moved to >>>/tech/12055.



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 No.542281[Reply]

Did you know there is still slavery in Russia in the current year? But it's not the russian people who get to own slaves it's the churkas (mudslimes) who can buy/sell and own russian slaves since russian laws are not applicable to their regions where they live. And the price is not even that high. To own a russian hard laborer you only need to spend 50 thousands rubles (~700$).

>Peter Pelekhanov and Olga Lifatova wanted to spend their vacation at Cape Fiolent in Sevastopol, but decided to get there by stopover. They got lucky on the Don highway. The bus driver offered them a lift to the place. But he warned them that they would need to stop in Stavropol on the way. At the same time he offered them a job on a farm, but the couple refused. Only at dawn did Pyotr realize that they had arrived in Dagestan. And he learned from the driver that the couple, along with the other passengers, had been sold into slavery.


>The next morning Pyotr and Olga, they said, were bought in Derbent for 50 thousands rubles by local businessman Yamudin Akhmedov. The next month went like this: they were woken up at four in the morning, forced to work all day in the greenhouses in the village of Novaya Maka, and locked up in an uninhabitable room for the night. It was not until early October that Peter found a hatch under a pile of garbage and the prisoners managed to escape. The guys returned to Moscow and are planning to get justice - their statements to the police in Dagestan were fruitless.


https://www.stav.kp.ru/daily/28339/4485493/

And this is not a one time situation. Just google "brick factory in dagestan" or "киpпичный зaвoд в дaгecтaнe" and you will find lots of videos of people who managed to ran away from them. There are also activists here who's life purpose is to find, help and free the slaves since it's almost impossible to do on your own because the dagestan "police" (lmao) not only won't help a runaway slave they will bring the slave back to the owner.
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 No.542470

>>542428
>Muh poor innocent eurinos learned how enslave from the filthy shitskin mudslimes

This is what West*id propaganda does to a mf

 No.542474

>>542296
Hate propaganda against Muslims and Brown MENA ppl in general, most likely a JIDF Zionist troll from 4Chan

 No.542477

>>542417
source please

 No.542511

>>542467
>USA
>anywhere below 100
Add prison labourers and the human trafficking and let’s we what that list is actually like

 No.542580

Ты ебанут? Русские владеют рабами из Кавказа и средней Азии. Их обстановка ужасна.



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 No.540798[Reply]

What do you guys think about Christopher Hitchens? Obviously he is famous for being a Marxist who switched sides to support the Iraq War but other than foreign policy none of his other views changed. Even when he was dying of cancer he said he still considered himself a Marxist and a socialist yet everyone on the left seems to have disavowed him for having only one wrong belief. People act like he became a Republican when none of his views changed except for foreign policy and I think he deserves a lot more respect for being a great writer, speaker, and person of the left.
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 No.541249

Also his willingness to go after sacred cows was based and we need more people to be willing to drag idols down from the pedestal and profane them.

 No.541263

Trot to neocon pipeline

 No.541295

A deathbed 'conversion' is something religious people and aesthetes do, for whom it is more important how they are seen than what they actually think and say in their lifetimes

 No.542556

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 No.542560

trot to neocon pipline



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 No.541689[Reply]

why are multiple south american countries facing declining life expactancies?
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 No.542232

>>542183
The internet is like the force, it has echos and is the resonance of the thoughts of many, a chad and virgin meme can influence thousands. That is why the left loses, because we do not embrace memes fully and completely to soak into the power of memetics. The virgin and chad meme has been one of the most powerful memes that I have ever seen, and it will be the downfall of leftism.

 No.542238

>>541736
>reddit and 4chan
two websites don't represent a giant demographic lol

 No.542240

>>542232
>The internet is like the force, it has echos and is the resonance of the thoughts of many, a chad and virgin meme can influence thousands. That is why the left loses, because we do not embrace memes fully and completely to soak into the power of memetics. The virgin and chad meme has been one of the most powerful memes that I have ever seen, and it will be the downfall of leftism.

I am praying you aren't being serious

 No.542322

>>541712
Dam america is a god dam shit hole.

 No.542328

>>541689
>>541712
thats not a decline



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 No.536648[Reply]

ITT: dive into the massive pool of over 40,000 old /leftypol/ threads collected below and post ~gems~ that you find.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/8ch.net/leftypol*
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 No.537724

based junko

 No.537847

>>536648
Leftypol had such a bright future, then BO had to fuck it up.

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 No.542283

i want to see the marxist matey thread(s)



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 No.528631[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>Be Ernst Thälmann in the late 20s
>Leader of the KPD in Germany
>Get over 10% of the vote in 1928 (4th place)
>1930
>Get 13% (3rd place) but Hitler just came out of no where and got 18% (2nd place)
>It's obvious that Hitler is going to keep growing in power
>Hitler brags in speeches that he'll suppress every other party in the Reichstag once he wins
>He even wrote a book where he talks about bolshevism being the blood enemy of fascism
>Be Ernst Thälmann: massively popular, growing at a similar rate to Hitler, but don't know what to do
>Consult pre-1935 Comintern, guidelines only retards would follow (even Stalin admitted this later)
>"Whatever you do, don't make a coalition with the Social Democrats!" says Comintern
>Social Democrats are the only party bigger than the Nazis
>They are interested in forming a coalition with the KPD to beat Hitler
>"Nah, that sounds like social fascism to me"
>Thälmann decides to attack SD rather than Hitler
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 No.533004

>>532931
I don't know.
My best guess would be to defy the Comintern's line and reject the Soviet model in favor of state capitalism, limit Rotfront activity wherever possible, and engage with idealist slogans and aesthetics.

 No.535420

>>530868
Popular Frontism was wrong and a mistake of Dimitrov.

 No.541838

>>528631
Hindsight is 2020

 No.541879

>>528643
The center party left the coalition with the socdems in 1930
They definitely weren’t joining the communists.

 No.551661

Moved to >>>/edu/8151.



 No.541739[Reply]

FUCK WORKERS THEY DON’T KNOW SHIT TRUST THE SCIENCE AND WEAR YOUR FUCKING MASK AND GET FUCKING VACCINATED!!! I CAN’T BELIEVE THESE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS AREN’T BEING DRONE STRIKED AND PURGED OF RESOURCES RIGHT ALREADY! WTF IS BIDEN DOING!???

 No.541747

>>541739
Satire?

 No.541751

>>541739
I’m a worker and don’t want to get sick from retard coworkers though.

 No.541754

If Joe Biden was a tenth of the Commie that the American Right has hallucinated him into being, all the non-vaxxed would already be in a gulag. Whatever let the virus run rampant as long as China North Korea Cuba and Belarus are still standing when it's all done we win by default.

 No.541757

COVID discussion goes in COVID-19 thread.
For future reference, USA politics goes in USA thread.



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