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>>2426182
so first you say the bourgeoisie will exist under communism, which will be a communism for the rich, all this taking place in the context of a wider conversation in which some other mass tor baiter (not you) was saying that the bourgeoisie will just kill off all the proles with automation. I said the bourgeoisie won't exist under communism. you then talk about how proles will exist after a socialist revolution, which is a different thing from communism. I then explain this to you, and quote lenin talking about how the dictatorship of the proletariat has to expropriate and suppress the bourgeoisie so they don't return to power, and you say (without commenting on the lenin text I showed you at all) that the bourgeoisie are no longer bourgeoisie under socialism, and it doesn't linger on them like the cooties, which is the opposite line you took earlier where you were saying the bourgeoisie would simply kill everyone and automate everything without prole help and they would get "bourgeois communism" so which is it?

>>2426156
In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land, they’re wholly urban. By contrast, everyone from Roman aristocrats to medieval kings lionized farming as noble profession, a simple and honest life in contrast to the perfidiousness of the city. In Rome you had that legend of a dictator or emperor giving up power to farm. In France, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had a fake farm set up where they’d go to LARP a simple life (I believe Marie told one of the peasants who actually worked there “you don’t know how good you have it.”) it’s simple, dignified labor. In a way, it’s almost a balm to alienation too; you’ve got your property, your crops, your tools, you’re subsisting off your own labor.

I’d say another element is not needing to network or anything. The higher tiers of social hierarchy is increasingly determined by who you know, going to the right events, rubbing shoulders with people you hate. Putting on a mask as it were.

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Egg.

>>2426193
>In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land
depended on the country but yes they often were. I think in Russia there were Jewish peasants.

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>>2424097
>Can the Naxals just overthrow Modi already?
The Naxalites are getting wiped out.

You should be aware that Gonzaloid Maoists will wildly exaggerate the size and importance of their movements and they do this regularly. We should already be aware that they'll post a picture of like 10 people holding red flags in Austin, Texas and write a report that makes it sound like the United States government is in its final days, or they'll show up to some liberal anti-Drumpf march, hand out red flags to some oblivious libs, and then post pictures and videos that present the march as being entirely Maoist. This goes for their coverage of foreign Maoist "revolutions" that have been losing and shrinking for decades. So, it should not be a surprise that, while the Gonzaloids treated the Naxalites like they were on the cusp of delivering the final coup de grace against the Indian government and winning total Maoist victory in India, that the Indian government is now obliterating them with almost minimal effort and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear of the total end of the Naxals sometime this year.



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Reminder that Marx's criticism is not actually "immanent", that's just garbage pushed by philosophy nerds. You don't need all that immanence crap to make a point. It's just pretentious ideology made to sound profound, projected onto Marx by critical theory clowns trying to impose a purely epistemological framework onto the object of study.

It is entirely possible to analyze a system objectively and recognize how it operates according to the interests of the system. Concepts like "dialectical thinking" are pleonasm. If you're thinking correctly, you're already thinking dialectically by default to explain, not to mystify; to clarify relations, not to invent essences; to use logic, not to absolutize it.
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>>2425822
If a physicist writes a "critique of modern physics" because he thinks they get stuff wrong does that make him not a physicist anymore?

>>2426148
>For example pinning a dead butterfly to a board instead of observing how butterflies live in nature
I think the concept of species is one of the best examples of how reality is dialectical and science is extremely far off from describing it. The way species is delimited between plants and animals is wildly different and basically random with some entire genus and families interbreeding. Its not just a matter of getting it slightly wrong or not having enough data the whole premise of cataloging types in this manner is wrong.

>>2426162
oh look a retard who doesn't know what hes talking about

>>2426217
Dialectical and historical materialism suggests that the scientific explanation of this phenomena; rather than being arbitrary – is that these strictly formal terms in the scientific sense are informed and structured by the labour of scientists and the economic base and superstructure of the societies these scientists live in

Key take away, Marxism is international because science is international and therefore; for the slow among us, marxism, ie scientific socialism, dialectical and historical materialism, Communism, Abundance etc are international because they are a science.

In fact [!!] Science that is not internationalist is not Science, it is missing the point and doomed to trailing the state of the art.

tl;dr Dialectical and Historical Materialism has been proved through exhaustion


The secular trend of the rate of profit falling continues as a long term iron law, the economic reaction and the missing extra productivity mystery of information technology is on fact explained by the not too complicated mathematics Marx uses to describe it, and the further implications of the General Intellect and The Fragment on Machines continue to show accuracy in predicting and explaining what is going on in the global economy

We are at the exciting stage of science where Dialectical and Historical Materialism is proven applied science, and you can get amazing results and scoop competing teams by yourself with some clever use of AIML but because some conservative scientists holding back science, particularly America who believe species are God given; your trivial proofs, that you can do through fairly simple maths and applying science to AI will look like that black obsidian monolith that falls out of the sky in that old American movie, and the apes dance around it and strike it with bones

If you have even a little background in science and mathematics, or even related fields like engineering etc
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>>2426229
>particularly America who believe species are God given
biologists unironically adopted the great chain of being and dont know it



 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>>2384191
is this a white convert to islam?

>>2384249
I would say broadly that there tends to be a stronger progressive tendency among Jewish people, as you yourself said they’re generally urban and urbanism as a whole tends to lead to things like cosmopolitanism and some amount of tolerance.

That said, to each their own.

>>2384281
yes. he tries to do some malcom x vibe

>>2384075
woah what?

when what why?

sharty raiders bumped an old thread from weeks ago!
date on OP is July 11th!

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NPA Unit Successfully Fights Off Attack By AFP Troopers In Capiz Province
The New People’s Army (NPA)-Central Panay (Jose Percival Estocada Jr Command) repelled the 12th IB’s attack on one of its units at the boundary of Barangay Artuz and Barangay Apero in the town of Tapaz, Capiz Province, on July 19. The NPA actively defended against the military troops by swiftly preparing and launching a counterattack. “Taken by surprise, the military reacted like rabid dogs by indiscriminately firing shots,” the NPA-Central Panay said. To conceal their defeat, the 12th IB supported by the 3rd ID, fabricated myths of their so-called victory against the NPA.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/20778/

India pauses plans to buy US arms after Trump's tariffs
New Delhi has put on hold its plans to procure new U.S. weapons and aircraft, according to three Indian officials familiar with the matter, in India's first concrete sign of discontent after tariffs imposed on its exports by President Donald Trump dragged ties to their lowest level in decades. India had been planning to send Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to Washington in the coming weeks for an announcement on some of the purchases, but that trip has been cancelled, two of the people said.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/india-pauses-plans-buy-us-arms-after-trumps-tariffs-2025-08-08/

Thai soldiers injured by landmine near Cambodia amid fragile truce
Thailand said the incident took place within its territory in an area recently cleared of landmines. It would lodge a complaint against Cambodia for violating a treaty that bans the use of landmines and for infringing Thai sovereignty, the Thai foreign ministry said in a statement. Both Thailand and Cambodia are signatories to the Ottawa Convention against landmines. It is the third incident in a few weeks in which Thai soldiers have been injured by mines while patrolling along the border.
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>>2426083
They're not answering

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>>2426089
Why aren't they answering?

EPA axes contracts with unions
Bob Coomber, EPA’s senior labor adviser, said the reason for terminating the contracts was “to prevent irreparable harm to national security.” He referred not only to the contract with AFGE, but also to ones with the National Association of Government Employees, Engineers and Scientists of California, and the National Association of Independent Labor.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/08/epa-axes-contracts-with-unions-00501208
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Unionized Berkeley REI workers get pay raises after Labor Board claimed they were shut out
The payout comes months after investigators from the National Labor Relations Board issued complaints that the Washington-based outdoor equipment retailer illegally excluded unionized workers at stores like the one in Berkeley from wage increases and other bonuses that were otherwise given to non-unionized employees. After NLRB issued its complaint in March, Berkeley workers said they felt REI’s alleged actions were “punishment” for unionizing. The complaint was at least one of four the Board had issued against the company at the time. And dozens of claims, alleging violations of labor laws like illegally terminating and intimidating workers, were under investigation at the time by the NLRB.
https://www.berkeleyside.org/2025/08/08/unionized-berkeley-rei-workers-get-pay-raises-after-labor-board-claimed-they-were-shut-out
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As electric bills rise, evidence mounts that data centers share blame. States feel pressure to act
It’s not clear that any state has a solution and the actual effect of data centers on electricity bills is difficult to pin down. Some critics question whether states have the spine to take a hard line against tech behemoths like Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta. But more than a dozen states have begun taking steps as data centers drive a rapid build-out of power plants and tranPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

‘A Nation of Shopkeepers’: The egotism of the petty bourgeoisie
A Nation of Shopkeepers is a 2023 book by (ostensibly) Marxist academic Dan Evans. It is an attempt to develop our understanding of the ‘petty bourgeoisie’ or middle class, which the author perceives as an ignored part of society. Evans argues that the petty bourgeoisie – the intermediate class of small business owners and independent professionals, squeezed between the working class and the big capitalists, – has in fact grown to the point where it constitutes a third of the British population (23 million). This, he argues, nullifies the analysis of Marx and Engels, who wrote in the Communist Manifesto that: “[t]he lower strata of the middle class – the small tradespeople, shopkeepers, and retired tradesmen generally, the handicraftsmen and peasants – all these sink gradually into the proletariat, partly because their diminutive capital does not suffice for the scale on which Modern Industry is carried on, and is swamped in the competition with the large capitalists, partly because their specialised skill is rendered worthless by new methods of production. Thus the proletariat is recruited from all classes of the population.” Deindustrialisation, Evans argues, has changed the nature of work, and therefore has undermined the classical Marxist understanding of class. The mentioned claims of a swelling in the ranks of the petty bourgeoisie is explained by the creation of what Evans labels the ‘new petty bourgeoisie’. Within this ‘new petty bourgeois’ class is included “[d]eclassed graduates, call centre workers, teachers and teaching assistants, salesmen, estate agents, nurses, firemen, public sector workers and more”. In terms of their relations to work, this ‘new’ class is identical to the working class, in that they must sell their capacity to work in order to live, and in fact work side by side with workers. What separates the ‘new petty bourgeoisie’ from the working class, Evans tells us, is that they aspire to “social mobility”; they dream of better things for themselves – and so are therefore individualistic – whereas the working class is happy with its lot. By changing the definition of class to a set of cultural values, Evans has managed to perform a magic trick, by pulling a completely new class out of thin air! Rather than seeing things such as classes in their process of historical development, Evans takes them as a finished product, a checklist of cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Just wanted to open a thread dedicated to the topic which I find only ever more relevant today.

While very very very far from perfect still, AI progress have been staggering over the past few years, and investments in the industry have gone through the roof, especially in countries like France, China or the US.

It is, in a way, its own new industrial revolution, a new way to automate production. Alas much like the previous one, it can only be expected from the elites that work time will stay the same, only as a mean to multiply production without any benefit to the worker (nor the environnement either as well, should that be mentioned).

But it only brings closer the idea of making work not a necessity but a liberty, by the establishment of universal income and economy wide work automation (as long as it is reliable, of course, I wouldnt hand out a psychatrist job to chatgpt or grok anytime soon, but you get the idea)

So what do you guys think ? Could this be feasable in the medium to long term ? Is it really in line with socialist ideals despite it being an opportunity for elites to turn it to the profit of economic higher ups (as it is already happening, in fact) ?

Speak your mind!
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You have the right to be lazy when you clock out

>>2400010
You want labor and I want treats, you can just make my treats and everyone gets what they want

>rights

>>2399927
You will never be as cool as J. R. "Bob" Dobbs fucking post-left BobBlackian Zerzanoid pieces of shit.

>>2426127
say this sentence again but with normal people words



 

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Also I think it's well established by now that I care way more about NATO being thwarted than I do about Russia living up to its reputation as stronk, no-compromise, win at any cost.

>>2424034
The reason I don't like the 'nuke Kiev' talk is that it implies that Putin is operating at peak non-nuclear performance and that nuking is his only remaining option, but there are many conventional steps before that - for instance, he could finally kill Ukraine's power and bring the country to a grinding halt. This is NATO SOP under dual-use infrastructure.
But it's absolutely true that, albeit with n=1, the historical record has a precedent that nuclear aggressors don't become pariah states, apparently not even in their eyes of their nuclear victims.

>>2425335
Spurdo's views change depending on the drugs he's taking each day.
Settling for less than the four oblasts (even the Istanbul 2024 conditions included those four oblasts) and the de-Nazification of the Ukrainian government is not NATO being thwarted any more than the Crimea land grab in 2014 was NATO being thwarted. It just makes the inevitable clash between Russia and the Banderite proxy more difficult in future, as the 2014 negligence showed.
I've sided with you against the maximalism of taking all of Ukraine or even Kiev, but this is asking too much and appears like a bad cope spell.


>>2425330
The two oblasts Putin'll keep are going to be Sevastopol and Crimean Republic LOL



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DeepSeek use to be very good and based. It was a bit of a libtard but you could very easily change its mind and then it would post very based stuff. Now there has been some sort of update. Now it’s a turbo liberal Zionist and you can never ever change its mind. It will just endlessly post libtard and Zionist propaganda nonstop if you try to argue with it. Sad that such a good app is ruined now. Weird considering it is Chinese you’d think it would be different but no it is just as bad as whatever USA liberal garbage ai now.
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>>2393372
>>2395412
The main bottleneck isn't storage but having inference hardware that runs DeepSeek-R1 faster than like 0.2 tokens/second, not everyone has the money and autism to rent or acquire an H100 cluster or something, so your best bet if you don't have that economy of scale, and don't want to use cloud for some reason, is to get a decent gayming GPU and run a distilled model locally. Luckily these have gotten really decent lately. Of course they are nowhere near as "smart" as using the latest GPT/Gemini/Claude/DeepSeek/Qwen/whatever online but it'll be decent for specific purposes like generating boilerplate code and debugging, writing e-mails or gooning to your favorite uncensored model pretending to be an anime girl


>>2395519
I've started calling it AI because that's the term adopted as an umbrella term for machine learning, expert and other cybernetic systems; in China

Prior to this point yeah AI has been a marketing term, but since the place leading in those sciences has adopted it, and it works really well in Chinese, fits the language because it is a concept with two glyphs

三Q

Any questions?

>>2392787
>Now there has been some sort of update
just use the open weights version on a hosting platform?? Deepseek can't "Update" the already-released model versions to censor them.

i asked it when ukraine will collapse and it said the CPC respects sovereignty under UN law lol



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Adulthood is realizing that Stalin was right about basically everything (except maybe pissing his pants when the Nazis invaded and giving bad military orders, but in the end the Fash chuds were defeated and you can't fault the man for not being both a political and military genius)

/leftypol/, suggest to me good reading material for red pilling people about /ourguy/ Stalin

Kulaks/Uyghas/Zionists fuck off
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>>2425609
Idealism is when you can’t contort your mind to explain why the NSDAP isn’t an admirable example of socialist fraternity in the alternate history where it never invaded the USSR

>Wow have you ever considered the Confederate States of America is an admirable example of AES?

>>2425589
Their entire theory is built around the assumption that Marxism-Leninism (actually existing national socialism) is the living embodiment of communism and moving from there

>>2425622
Theories are often disproved by applied science so I have high hopes for the People's Republic of China, and their win win, harmonise and drag forward the world economy; this is within wriggle room of possibility of the theory even, high hopes here

Their rapidly increasing technological advantage, and the raising of 700 million out of absolute poverty also proves scientific socialism
Then we can continue on with the high cultural development and active and successful protest culture of the Chinese people, where unlike in bourgeois dictatorships the will of the people is not ignored
What are your hopes, or fears if you have no hope?

>>2425627
>Idealism is when I make up a fantasy story in my head which I then overlay on top of actual reality
Yes it is and you're also still retarded

>>2425622
You wouldn't even know what Marxism is if it wasn't for the Bolsheviks faggot



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What is it called whence you're a proletarian, redpilled about class warfare\capitalism, revolution etc, BUT want to remain a prole (or become a lumpen), because the rot, decay, degeneracy itself is a less-bad option that a socialist society..merely because socialism can't prevent your own death and mortality, would forbid you from wild, rampant hedonism, etc?
I don't mean an uncle tom (whom thinks he's a ruler\sides with rulers out of naivety) but a man who prefers being a wageslave ,as long as he gets to use hard drugs, engage in putrid degeneracy (like femdom) ,destroy his brain with TV and tiktok–the brain will be destroyed at death anyways, why not do acclimatation-?
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>>2424083
As Innovationists we believe in strict anti-imperialism, and also that nude group activities are one of the best ways to build bonds of proletarian solidarity. Maybe you should become an Innovationist. People will tell you that our parties get a bit wild.

You are lumpen-bourgeois who mistakes his capitalist degeneracies for freedoms

>>2424107
Not quite, I am quite ready and willing to admit i AM degenerate.

Grow up, kid.

>>2424107
>>2425529
>degeneracy

You do know that whole degeneracy spook was created by a proto-Zionist in the first place then got copied by the Nazis, right?

"Degeneracy/Degenerate" is basically a stand-in for "Person or thing I don't like".



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Yes I know worker coops aren't socialism because they still have markets and commodity production but could they at least break the power of the bourgeoisie since there would be no more capitalists at most there would be proletarians and petit bourgeoises

Given this isn't turning 100% of for profit businesses in a country into worker coops a good intermediate goal since it starves the bourgeoisie of their profits which they use to rule with politics?
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>>2355598
Cooperatives would make it easier to organise and engage in syndicalism or unionism because the workers have greater autonomy and control that's why it isn't widespread methinks

>>2357718
Why do they fail every time then?

What if the state forced some of the big monopolist’s enterprises to convert to worker co ops?

>>2362453
>Make the profits go to workers instead of capitalist
why not take control over the profits and the expenses?
>>2425176
>it doesn't matter to workers that much if they have one boss or many little bosses
Riiiight, tell that to Silicon Valley vampires who went full fascist because their slaves asked to work from home or to condemn Zionist genocide or whatever
>>2425177
>they are just an expression of worker's self-organization
We need economic democracy

>>2425342
They don't. Coops gave higher survival rate than regular firms



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