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JVP made a cringepost on Insta the other day referring to Stonewall as an "intifada". https://www.instagram.com/p/C8wecjWOxOo/

Basically JVP wants an independent Palestine in name only. Their conception of a free Palestine seems to be the western hegemonic liberalism Israel represents just with Palestinians performing it. Like Cuba or Sweden with Palestinians.
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>retarded idpol thread
go back to reddit

 

>>1900874
It might over the long term but religions can change and transform. If you modern Islam as an intellectual formation or a modern reconstruction of a certain human past, it becomes more interesting. But I think OP will be disappointed at looking at the Muslim world as something that will ever completely break from hegemonic/modernity/the West/ because part of the modern Muslim ethos is "we too…" can

(a) love Jesus (albeit as a particular prophet before Muhammad pbuh)
(b) love books (they have one)
(c) struggle for social justice (Islam is a religion of social justice)
(d) be nationalists/communists/fascists (and there we go with Arab nationalism which adopted tricolor flags and eagles)
(e) eat sushi (yum)
(f) become hip-hop stars (hands up don't shoot)
(g) practice sustainable development (kingdom 2030)
(h) empower women (he's changing the face of Saudi Arabia)
(i) build gleaming skyscrapers (tallest in the world)
(j) hate the Jews and know their evil ways (erm…)

We all do this. For most Muslims, they are are a *too* including a bunch of stuff OP doesn't like about his own society. They *too* can / do / want to be that. Because they're humans too.

 

>>1900704
>Not being homophobic is western hegemonic liberalism
kys retard
If your 'leftism' isn't rooted in liberation and the fight against injustice then you're just a chvddie with a dictatorship fetish

 

>>1900704
They're clearly using the anniversary of Stonewall to reaffirm support for the intifada - the purpose of the comparison here is not to take the commonly used "stonewall" and make it sound better by calling it an intifada, but to take the rarely used (in english) "intifada" and go "you know this thing you like? yeah, that was an intifada. it's not some scary inscrutable arab word for terrorism.", implied message: if you support stonewall you ought to support Palestine.
> Like Cuba or Sweden with Palestinians.
God forbid that Palestine should be a normal country - like Cuba or Sweden - where settlers don't regularly bomb the fuck out of the native population. Yeah, anon, the real evil is that someone's making presumptions about what the domestic policy of that country ought to be.
also Cuba doesn't really have "western style" pride parades, but why split hairs.

>For exactly 265 days, the US-backed Israeli military has waged a genocidal campaign in Gaza leading to the deaths of more than 38,000 Palestinians, including 60 people killed in the past 24 hours, and over 21,000 children missing. Israeli forces have bombed the entirety of Gaza, displacing millions, destroyed Gaza’s hospital system, operated torture centers, and blocked the entrance of humanitarian aid ensuring mass starvation in Gaza. People of Gaza of all genders and sexualities are being massacred indiscriminately. SILENCE EQUALS DEATH! We stand in solidarity not only with our Queer and Trans Palestinian siblings this Pride season, but all Palestinians.

>As Queers, as Jews, we refuse to allow our identities to be weaponized, we refuse to be complicit in pinkwashing, and we refuse to allow Biden to co-opt our liberation movements as he continues to enable the genocide of Palestinians.
"FUCKING LIBS! KYS! THE DIALECTICAL POSITION IS TOTAL POOF DEATH"

>>1900728
Stupid retard. They're fighting to preserve their lives, not their way of life: their way of life was destroyed in 1947. their way of life, fucking hell anon, there are literally parts of HPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 

>>1900704
mfw radlibs can only conceive of palestinian proles stop being genocided with bullshit like natlib



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Look I get it, Biden is old. However do you really want Trump back? Biden has actually done a pretty damn good job with the economy/border etc. I know you little socialists think he isn't good enough but it's time to grow up & do the right thing.

Biden 2024(USApol)
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>>1900845

You make me laugh anon, have a (you)

 

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sorry sweetie but i’m with the national salvation council

 

>do you really want Trump back?
yes. Trump's domestic policies will be terrible and I want to see yanks suffer
>>1900830
>whats 2025
picrel

 

Shut the fuck up
Didn’t ask
+ /usapold/

 

Biden isn't getting elected in a billion years faggots



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In Africa, Latin America, and much of SEA, many people can be expected to voice their opinion and actively participate in organized movements or programs aimed at acknowledging and removing the damages that were brought about from colonialism. Many domestic Indians contrast this, because the level of elitism, self hatred, colourism, and infighting there is so strong to the point where there are cases of minority groups with a millennia-old history within the country facing systemic prejudice and risks of deportation or persecution. Parts of these problems trace back to the caste system, but many were the result of British colonialism’s violent promotion of elitism and division between peoples throughout the country. With the current elections coming up in the same period where many candidates (like Modi)—much like in Nigeria and Pakistan—are relying on hubris, jailing opposition, chauvinism, and ethnonationalism, the future of that country’s federal-level plans are bleak to any citizen of India today. It’s understandable as to why so many are fleeing to any country willing to accept them.

What can be done to promote a sense of cohesion, patriotism, and understanding between everyone there?

 

rise up



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There is an enduring myth that the USSR "occupied" or "annexed" the states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, when what really happened was no different to 1917 in Russia: the workers and peasants overthrew the power of capitalists. Soviet power was already established there in 1917-1919 before being temporarily defeated by the intervention of German and British capitalists. In the interwar period, the bourgeoisie failed to develop industry in those countries, unemployment was rife, and the states were all fascist dictatorships. In 1940, they crumbled under the combined pressure of the working class internally and the presence of the USSR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXzyxEN72Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCrTxGtWHv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRFa25Zl90


https://www.iccr.gr/en/issue_article/For-the-Historical-Truth-and-Truthful-Reflection-of-the-Events-of-the-Epoch/

 

The Soviet Union invented the concept of color revolutions and successfully applied these methods in Latvija. The people of Latvija cannot and must not suffer under Soviet social-imperialism. Long live the Latvijan's people's protected war against the bourgeoisie, the fascist bourgeois and the imperialist bourgeoisie!

 

>>1900343
Damn, color revolution sounds awesome then

 

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>>1900291
Third link comments are really depressing. I hate baltoids so fucking bad because they are such dumbasses.



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Someone will still have to work to produce stuff that will get redistributed by UBI through money, coupons, vouchers, whatever. UBI takes money away from the workers and gives it to lumpen, or worse, to intelligentsia that produces crap like the concept of UBI itself (they have personal interest in this)
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>>1895628
Universal basic income is a neoliberal proposal to accelerate the commodification of the economy, privatize public services such as education and health, make the state subsidize low-skill companies that will offer less than the minimum for their workers and transfer taxes to the rest of workers to take class consciousness away from the masses by feeding reactionary ideologies with the resentment that this will create because the biggest capitalists will not pay for it.

The Marxist position is the guaranteed right to public employment, decommodification of health, education, housing, food, etc. for the use of workers' needs instead of the market.
We cannot forget the reduction in working hours, separating retirement from the financial market, nationalization and socialization of all means of production, all banks together with institutions that serve to speculate, natural resources, machines and land for social planning.

There is no ubi in socialism or low-stage communism:

<“Let us take, first of all, the words "proceeds of labor" in the sense of the product of labor; then the co-operative proceeds of labor are the total social product.


<From this must now be deducted: First, cover for replacement of the means of production used up. Second, additional portion for expansion of production. Third, reserve or insurance funds to provide against accidents, dislocations caused by natural calamities, etc.


<These deductions from the "undiminished" proceeds of labor are an economic necessity, and their magnitude is to be determined according to available means and forces, and partly by computation of probabilities, but they are in no way calculable by equity.


<There remains the other part of the total product, intended to serve as means of consumption.

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>>1897156
>There is no ubi in socialism or low-stage communism
But
<just as it emerges from capitalist society
Which means a time we haven't yet seen, not 1875. Do you control whether porky hands out UBIs or not? Answer carefully; it goes on your psychiatric record.

 

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>>1895636
Actually, SocDems didn't cook this one up, for once. UBI was first thought of by Libertarian and AnCap type of people, as a form of "negative tax", by the likes of Hayek and Rothbart.

But yeah, it would lead to the undercutting of wages and a steep increase in rents. At best it would lift pressure from the unemployment but the inflation and price hike that would come with it would make up for it.

Not every unemployed person is a lumpen by the way.

 

>>1897190
If you continue reading you will understand the difference in thinking only about the issue of distribution rather than production of the means of production.

Let's continue reading then:

<”Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.


<Hence, equal right here is still in principle – bourgeois right, although principle and practice are no longer at loggerheads, while the exchange of equivalents in commodity exchange exists only on the average and not in the individual case.


<In spite of this advance, this equal right is still constantly stigmatized by a bourgeois limitation. The right of the producers is proportional to the labor they supply; the equality consists in the fact that measurement is made with an equal standard, labor.


<But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of vie
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What are the tiniest forms of praxis?
tiniest as in the forms of praxis that take less commitment and time, does creating propaganda memes or some shit count as microscopic praxis?

pic unrelated btw
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>>1900482
Those lego box-sets are expensive man.

 

>>1900482
Lego has a very stable value and can be sold anywhere. Same reason people steal tidepods.

 

>>1900484
They are, and the kids love them! I could loot some lego given a chance.

 

Tiniest would be agitpropping already made, but if you wanna make art that'd be more useful.

 

>Marx: communism is the real movement of proletarian organization
>bored middle-classer online: erm guys can I do le heccin praxis with my unfunny maymays????
The leftoid mental disease of "at least I'm doing SOMETHING".



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>In Marxist theory, the Lumpenproletariat (German: [ˈlʊmpn̩pʁoletaˌʁi̯aːt] ; /ˌlʌmpənproʊlJˈtɛəriət/) is the underclass devoid of class consciousness. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels coined the word in the 1840s and used it to refer to the unthinking lower strata of society exploited by reactionary and counter-revolutionary forces, particularly in the context of the revolutions of 1848. They dismissed the revolutionary potential of the Lumpenproletariat and contrasted it with the proletariat. Among other groups, criminals, vagabonds, and prostitutes are usually included in this category

>The Social Democratic Party of Germany made wide use of the term by the turn of the century. Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky followed Marx's arguments and dismissed the revolutionary potential of the group, while Mao Zedong argued that proper leadership could utilize it. The word Lumpenproletariat, popularized in the West by Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth in the 1960s, has been adopted as a sociological term. However, what some consider to be its vagueness and its history as a term of abuse has led to some criticism. Some revolutionary groups, most notably the Black Panther Party and the Young Lords, have sought to mobilize the Lumpenproletariat
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>>1898801
No, I will keep looking for groups to mobilise.

 

>>1883444
Fascists recruit their soldiers from the lumpen but lumpen are not essentially fascist.
Still, communists should endeavor to shift lumpen to the working class, so reducing the size of the lumpen class, and increasing the power of the working class.
The lumpen want to have a steady job, and not be precariously employed.
Basically, we need to do a basic amount of idpol for neurospicies, queers and PoC because when lumpen they may have little choice but to turn against us.

 

>>1899905
Also stuff like Communist collectively organized apprenticeships, trades training and upskilling sounds good to me.

 

>>1898146
Hot take! Historically, many (white) women were lumpenbourg. So you get reactionary feminism like recounted in "Why Would Feminists Trust the Police". It's not that women are essentially bourg. But lumpenbourg was the class position of many women at the time.

 

Also Karl Marx was lumpen.
Lumpen are both the most radical and reactionary elements of society.



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Conservative
Person 1”porn is le bad and anti-Christ”
Person 2 “let free market decide and I disagree but let’s work together since our political motive similar”
Socialists
Person 1 “Porn is le bad”
Person 2 “how dare you saying such a problematic opinion you fucking white male! Sex work is work!!!!!!!!” *splits the party*
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>>1900503
Maybe I'm just a simple guy with salt-of-the-earth ways but I swear the only time people argue about porn is on the internet. Nobody asks my opinion about it. Well, one time that happened and she turned out to be one of those LaRouchies. "What do you think about OnlyFans?" Uhh, I don't have an account so…. I think we should table this and leave it to a popularly elected women's committee to decide.

 

>>1900503
Who cares, have you ever seen a "sex worker" in real life?

 

>>1900503
> Single post IP

EVERY SINGLE TIME

 

>>1900515
Not op, but i did, multiple times. They are just like you and me, nothing very special about them, except their poverty.

 

>posting trigglypuff in 2024
OK grandpa



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>in the 1963 Salad Oil Scandal, Allied Crude Vegetable Oil company artificially inflated their inventory to twice the amount of salad oil that existed in the entirety of the United States.

>Ships supposedly full of salad oil for Allied would dock and inspectors would certify the cargo, allowing Allied to post the oil as collateral and obtain millions of dollars in bank loans. In reality, the ships' tanks contained only water, with a few feet of salad oil floating on top to trick inspectors.


>When inspectors audited Allied's facilities, the company would transfer the same oil stock from tank to tank to fool the inspectors while entertaining them during lunch.


>In all, Allied posted 1.8 billion pounds of salad oil as collateral to fraudulently obtain $180 million in loans, when the actual stock was a mere 110 million pounds.


>The scam went on for years before being discovered.


This kind of scam would have been discovered immediately under socialism. A socialist government inspecting reproduction schemas and national input-output tables would immediately have noticed the impossibility of the inventory size. This kind of fraud would be impossible to carry out for so long, unpunished. Those responsible would have been tried, found guilty, shot, fed to vultures, and forgotten.
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Well for those who think they were socialist, China and the USSR had party bureaucrats lying on production figures to the point of killing millions of people like in the great leap forward.

 

>>1900191
<Idealism
Socialist governments also had this problem. The Cotton affair and the Ryazan livestock butchery. They could figure out who was living above their means (kgb surveillance of adolf tolkachev and a couple other spies) but no guarantee to check the whole economy. Unless you are talking about a hypothetical where we still have USSR in 2024 and cockshott is the economics minister there.
>>1900391
Based china. You don't know just how many ameritard landlord-wannabe fags were pissed that they could not be slumlord fags in china. Ameritards hate the concept of "housing is a human right" Fuck them. I hope russia nukes ameritards. Calling ameritards cockroaches would be an insult to cockroaches.
>>1900392
Can't say anything about great leap forward, but USSR had a tendency to punish bureaucrats for failures at least in stalin era. Also, besides the 1930's famine, since when have lies about production figures led to millions of deaths?

 

>>1900191
>Gentlemen, today we will begin our most diabolical scheme, exagurating our salad oil stocks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

 

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>>1900456
<Oh well, uh, gee, I'm not sure that's all that diabolical….

 

>>1900416
>Unless you are talking about a hypothetical where we still have USSR in 2024 and cockshott is the economics minister there.



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The left today is all about consent, but what could be a bigger violation of consent than slicing the foreskin off an infant who can't consent? It seems like leftists are only willing to curb "religious freedom" when it comes to Christians, but will actively enable Muslims, and become evasive when it comes to Jews. And in the US, the only western country to regularly practice circumcision, its roots like in Harvey Kellogg's anti-masturbation campaigns which are directly tied into the bourgeois morality leftists claim to be against.(Le Armchair)
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>>1900306
>When a district court in Germany found that, 'uhm hey our current laws prohibt circumcision, whoops!' There was a broad coalition of the Muslim, Jewish communities and the major Christian churches to pass a specific law to legalize it explicitly (in complete violation of all the constitutional protections of bodily integrity and religous freedom (of the child))
>>1900405
>Meanwhile in the US the anti-FGM laws have been getting overturned.
link articles on this

 


 

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what part of "the penis is evil" do you not understand, OP?

 

>>1900462
>circumcision is local to many cultures in africa. it doesn't come from america
There are other cultural practices in Africa that already existed, but the US is actively pushing circumcision as a measure to "combat" HIV/AIDS. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is one of the big groups doing this.

>>1900464
>link articles on this
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/health/fgm-female-genital-mutilation-law.html

 

Reason #99999999999 I'm a communist and not a leftist.



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