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 No.1262516[Reply]

Labor aristocracy is a label that refers to the part of the proletariat that has significantly higher wages than most other proletarians
You can therefore label proletarians in the imperial core as “labor aristocrats” since they get paid way more than proletarians in the global south
Yet how did this labor aristocracy in the imperial core even come into fruition, and is it even revolutionary? I’ve seen a bunch of different answers and I don’t exactly know which one is correct
>Superprofits extracted from global south proletarians are partially invested into the wages of imperial core workers to continue the accumulation of capital there and maintain their loyalty, which therefore means that imperial core proletarians have class interests tied to imperialism
>The rise of labor aristocrats is attributed to the development of the productive forces in the imperial core as extracted superprofits aren’t invested directly into workers wages but instead invested primarily into the development of the productive forces, which does spur an increase in wages although not necessarily above the level of abstract labor produced
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 No.1265036

>>1264944
sauce?

 No.1265042

>>1265036
Hardkoba

 No.1265044

>>1265042
Should have known. Neat!

 No.1265046

>>1265044
wait a minute those tits are way to small for hardkoba theyre not even as big as her head!

 No.1265598

>>1263865
holy lumpenthought batman



 No.1264973[Reply]

Gujarat Polls: Daughter of Naroda Patiya Riots Case Convict Gets BJP Ticket
Payal Kukrani (30), the daughter of Manoj Kukrani – who is one of the 16 convicts in the Naroda Patiya riots case in which 97 Muslims were killed – is also among the youngest candidates fielded by the ruling party this time. … The Kukrani family belongs to the Sindhi community that dominates the area. The BJP fielded Payal Kukrani instead of giving another chance to sitting MLA Balram Thawani. Some BJP workers in the area have expressed unhappiness over her candidature as they believe that she is married to a non-Sindhi and hence is no longer a member of the community.
https://www.newsclick.in/Gujarat-Polls-Daughter-Naroda-Patiya-Riots-Case-Convict-Gets-BJP-Ticket

Asia's Richest Man Challenges China in Show of Support for Modi
With Sri Lanka in the throes of its worst economic crisis since its independence from Britain in 1948, India is reengaging and attempting to tilt the balance in a strategic tussle with China on the island, a pivotal battleground because it lies on key global shipping lanes and plays into New Delhi’s fear of encirclement from its Asian rival. At the forefront of those efforts is Adani, who is a long-time supporter of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and has been accused by some Sri Lankan lawmakers of signing opaque port and energy deals closely tied to New Delhi’s interests.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-11-10/billionaire-gautam-adani-lands-in-the-middle-of-india-china-fight-in-sri-lanka?leadSource=uverify%20wall
https://archive.ph/WxQcE

'A breakthrough': UN committee votes to request ICJ opinion on Israeli occupation
The United Nations' decolonisation committee adopted a draft Palestinian resolution on Friday requesting an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands since 1967. The measure was welcomed by Palestinians and rejected by IsraePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1265018

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Thanks News Anon

 No.1265025

The Communist Party is the only force capable of challenging ultra-nationalism in Israeli society
The results of the latest Israeli elections may not have surprised anyone, at least in terms of the return of Netanyahu. However, it is consequential in two ways which will prove to be pivotal in the future development of Israel and its impact on the Palestinian struggle for national self-determination and equality. First, the rise, legitimization, and normalization of the far-right and its fascist components will forever change the political landscape of the country. Second, the complete and total collapse – no, extinction – of the so-called “Zionist Left” in Israel leaves the Communist Party (the core of the Hadash party) as the sole left-wing force in the country and presents it with a golden opportunity to lead the Israeli and Palestinian Left in their struggle against Kahanism and ultra-nationalism in Israel.
https://mondoweiss.net/2022/11/the-communist-party-is-the-only-force-capable-of-challenging-ultra-nationalism-in-israeli-society/
https://archive.ph/AcMTL

Cop27: How Egypt and the oil industry are silencing calls for climate justice
"Why are you trying to choke me? You’re putting your hands around my neck and trying to choke me. You’re choking me and telling me you’ll be giving me a new pair of shoes?”
These were the words of a resident of Idku, Egypt, at a public hearing in May 2011 on plans by British Petroleum (BP) to build a gas terminal on the town’s land. Idku is a small fishing community perched where the Nile Delta meets the sea. Inextricably connected with the water and the land, the community is vulnerable to the impacts of climate change - and it could disappear altogether as the sea level rises. The fishers and farmers who work here feel this interdependence deeply, having seen their water and land poisoned by sewage canals and petroleum plants. Fishers interviewed by the Mosireen collective in 2013 revealed a keen awareness of this connection: “Since they’ve sunk those boulders into the sea and built those factories and buildings, the fish have clustered to the boulders; so we in turn are forced to go to thoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1265279

>>1265025
>Mark Fisher.
Uhh, Isn't this guy dead?

 No.1265551

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>>1264973
>a strategic tussle
lol for this expression.

 No.1265552

>>1265279
Yeah the vampire castle killed him.



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 No.1265459[Reply]

https://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/
>Racial supremacism is a political doctrine rooted in the belief that there is a hierarchy of races, that some races are superior over others. Its best documented form is white supremacism, which was attempted four main times in history: the Southern Confederacy, later extended in the Ku Klux Klan; South African Apartheid; the Third Reich; and Post-Soviet Ukraine. All four of those historic attempts ultimately failed. The purpose of this study is to examine why they failed, rather than to pass judgment on white supremacism

>Upon closer investigation, those four movements are implicitly linked because of their connection to a widely anti-Christian occultism. On the grand chessboard of ideas, white supremacism positions itself in the conservative camp, displaying values described as “right-wing reactionary”. Yet, at the same time, it contradicts its formal commitments by scarcely hiding its close, overt ties with an esoteric tradition called the “Left-Hand Path”. The purpose of the following analysis is to clear up any misunderstandings regarding the paradoxical relationship between, on the one hand, a political current that always seems to be promoting rootedness and stability, and on the other, the mystique of chaos underlying this current
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 No.1265536

>>1265526
AZ quotes has a ton of fake quotes they don't verify anything at all and are as reliable as weather forecasts.
Also you're just proving my point further. Even if this guy didn't fabricate his claim he states only 9/21 on the council were Jews. So who were all the others? This is where I think actual anti semites reveal their true colors becsuse they are happy to blame jews for everything while totally ignoring how even in their wildest fantasies it requires a gentile majority overseeing everything which means everyone is to blame and the jews are just a scapegoat.

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>>1265536
https://www.loc.gov/resource/mgw2.021/?sp=182&st=text
>*To REVEREND G. W. SNYDER7
>Mount Vernon, September 25, 1798.

>Sir: Many apologies are due to you, for my not acknowledging the receipt of your obliging favour of the 22d. Ulto, and for not thanking you, at an earlier period, for the Book8 you had the goodness to send me.


>I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me.9 The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely, the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstanding, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am &c.


>*To WILLIAM RUSSELL16

>Mount Vernon, September 28, 1798.

>Sir: Your favour of the 8th instr. is received, and I thank you for your obliging attention to the articles promised me, when I had the pleasure of seeing you at this place.


>7. Of Fredericktown (now Frederick), Md.

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 No.1265712

This was actually one of the best threads on pol.


But you didn't get to the part where he links modern wignats to freemasonry & zionism.

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 No.1268673

>>1265712
>But you didn't get to the part where he links modern wignats to freemasonry & zionism.
How?



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 No.1257390[Reply]

Does this slogan speak to you?

The deepest proponents of this slogan despise police officiating entirely as a system, not solely western abuses. They would also be opposed to officers that currently exist/previously existed in ussr, ddr, Yugoslavia, Cuba, china, nicaragua, north Korea and so on.

Is this perspective appetizing to you to oppose all of these or do you see utility in there being a police force to stop counter revolutionaries and criminals in a socialist system?
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 No.1264842

Very few are actually against police forces existing in any form and going back to beck & call. Most just mean under capitalism cops act in it's favour when enforcing it's laws against proles.

 No.1264998

>>1257408
In a socialist system criminals steal from the people , thus making them enemies of the working class and counterrevolutionaries by definition .

Criminals are the degenerate form of the bourgeoisie attitude , they are too lazy to work to support themselves so they look for a way to parasitize the honest hard working members of the proletariat.

 No.1265269

>>1258515
its spelt lapd

 No.1265376

>>1259838
>you moron
>once a cop, always a cop
>cops will protect the state no matter what, even against their own interests
Thanks for agreeing (with a moron), ACAB always and all the time.

 No.1265416

Somebody has to keep the lumpens, reactionaries and corrupt officials in line.
Police serve the interests of the state and its ruling class. If for whatever reason that isn't the working class and is instead some corrupt bureaucratic clique, that's a flaw of the system, not with the state services.



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 No.1264271[Reply]

How did he get away with killing his wife and trafficking more dope than a Mexican cartel?
Also his work is strangely anti-communist despite being part of transgressive fiction.
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 No.1264340

>>1264332
>>1264332
You think he did it on purpose?

 No.1264391

all of the "Beat Generation" were.

On the Road by Kerouac is one of the worst books I've ever read. Threw it across the room.

 No.1264407

>>1264391
Have you read naked lunch

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 No.1265334

>>1264618
it's pretty good. If you can understand it



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 No.1004370[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread mainly for discussing the war in Ukraine, but discussion of other geopolitical issues such as Yemen CIvil War, the China-US conflict or Iran-US conflict or any X-US conflict is also appreciated.

Previous thread >>818936

For previous threads, check >>>/leftypol_archive/

LIVE MAPS AND UPDATES

>N.B. liveuamap.com is not to be trusted, they mostly parrot Ministry of Defence, these others may not be better, check their reporting first


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/russia-ukraine-crisis-in-maps-and-charts-live-news-interactive

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/world/europe/ukraine-maps.html
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 No.1242598

>>1234889
its a more advanced economy

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TPLF finally surrendered. It's OGRE.

Lel what the fuck? How Western media is reporting it, makes it sounds like it's a two way affair or something. Everything I'm seeing from Ethiopian sources says it's more of "TPLF agreed to drop their guns in exchange for not getting shot in the face."

"After an hours long stand off, the bank robber and the police have agreed to a cease-fire." Lol.

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Apparently, there was an assassination attempt on Imran Khan

 No.1265332

Francis being a bloodthirsty war criminal should surprise no one who actually read the last man. He articulates dreams of endless, bloody wars.

 No.1265333

>>1265332
One wrong think people assume about The End of History is that this implies some kind of Leto’s Peace. Far from it. It is one where the liberal west constantly, literally constantly and eternally, bombs the rest of the world.



 No.1264026[Reply]

G.A. Cohen (14 April 1941- 5 August 2009), noted Canadian analytical philosopher influenced by the likes of Althusser and Berlin, states in his essay “The Labor Theory of Value and the Concept of Exploitation” that the relation between the labor theory of value and the concept of exploitation on the part of the capitalist against the laborer is one of “mutual irrelevance”. He also says that workers do not create value, but they do create what has value.

Is his argument purely semantic in nature? His argument makes it seem like he doesn’t know how to parse the concept of abstraction. If you create something that has value, are you not already, by the transitive property, creating value itself? Also, I tried ctrl+F’ing multiple variations of “use-value”— a concept highly germane to argumentation involving the subject matter— and found no such thing.

The essay: https://e-tcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cohen-exploitation-and-theory-of-value.pdf
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 No.1264506

>>1264351
Sraffa is unknown around these parts because people are mathlets who dont know/remember linear algebra

 No.1264507

>>1264495
Cohen has alot of arguments that refute libertarianism and stump lolberts so reading him is worth it for that reason

 No.1264675

>>1264507
that cohen only use is debunking libertarians should clue you in how worthless cohen is if you're already a communists. Libertarianism entire premise is based on the economic calculation problem and its been debunked by Marxists for being wrong and incoherent for as long as the assumption existed.
Cohen is writing to other academics to rehabilitate how embarrassing anti-marxism pervaded the western philosophies, you are hopefully not the intended audience.

 No.1264729

>>1264026
>workers do not create value, but they do create what has value
stupidest shit I've read in a long time

 No.1264741

>>1264729
Workers create the totem, the empty vesicle, in which the value spirits can then come and inhabit. I call it merchandise totemism.



 No.1264519[Reply]

When you look at Starship Troopers could it be said that this is possibly the future of fascism? Or at least the face of it? It's a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural form of fascism. It's shows a hyper nationalist and gung-ho like society where only these "world citizens" who join the military can have any say in politics. Because of the increasing globalization of capital despite the efforts of the current form of nu-nationalism, is it possible that fascism will eventually become like this "starship troopers" type of society?
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 No.1264546

>>1264536
How to prepare to become the next aristocrats?

 No.1264547

>>1264536
by that time humanity will already launch into space and live on artificial gravity rotating space stations that orbit other planets and locations in the solar system which grow their own food and mine asteroids for raw materials, siphon gas off saturn for fuel, mine helium-3 from the moon, and the moons of juipter for raw ice water.

Space arcologies

We will regreen the earth and use it largely as a nature reserve and occasional tourist destination as humanity moves out to the rest of the solar system.

 No.1264549

For context. You do your military service, you have the right to participate in politics, it's about duty, sacrifice and rights, the book explore this better, the assumption of Heinlein's imagined society being "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
The book is actually not very fascist, the society is post scarcity, all inclusive and offers everything to everyone.. Except political power, for which you must serve.
>Under our system every voter and officeholder is a man who has demonstrated through voluntary and difficult service that he places the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage.
The book is still vaguely anti communist though, equating the bugs with the Chinese, probably because this was written in the 50s in the red scare after the Korean war when China was doing human waves and taking heavy losses.

Paul Verhoeven claims he didn't read the book and just wanted to make a movie critical of US fascism, which honestly checks out, almost prescient if you note that the movie was made in 1997 and think about how the hero get into the military because of a big attack and goes to genocide other beings in a distant place. It also makes sense to see fascists quote this movie in a first degree fashion, the retards think "literally me" when they see liberty prime after all.

 No.1264550

Ironically, I think China has more of a Starship Troopers vibe like in the beginning here or around 15:00 when it comes to its military propaganda although I think that's more because of modernism. Verhoeven seemed influenced by World War II propaganda, but I don't even really get "Third Reich" vibes from it as much as USA vibes during World War II.

 No.1264554

>>1264547
You have a weird deterministic way of looking at things implying we will actually get there like people saying we'll get flying cars… eventually. Technology is not particularly linear and it's based on a couple of assumptions that's been proven wrong with time like that of AI for example. The only thing that we can reliably figure from technology is it's labor saving properties.



 No.1262359[Reply]

I think I watched a video about how the state and parents had a conflict of interest, because parenting means talking with your children so that they, through their own reasoning, understand what and what not to do. As in, parenting is teaching a kid how to self-govern. That this was the reason religions and similar governing bodies encourage hitting kids to create a Pavlovian negative association for unwanted behavior: to shut down opportunities for conversation and thus make the child grow into an adult that doesn't know how to self-govern, and thus needs the state to govern them. An adult that also lacks the information needed to have such developmentally important conversations with their kids, creating a cycle that makes each generation more dependent on the state.

Along with who came up with this, what are some thoughts and critiques you have for this reasoning?

 No.1262377

Pretty logical. Stunt the development of social skills and impulse control so that people grow up to be dependent on an authority figure telling them what to do. And then come up with narratives that blame them for this (you are inherently sinful and vulnerable to temptation etc).

 No.1264408

seems like half baked psychoanalysis

 No.1264410

Anyone who has ever spend time teaching kids will understand why corporal punishment is a thing. Not a good thing, but a thing

>>1264408
>seems like half baked psychoanalysis

 No.1264458

>>1264410
Well that's the thing, it provides a quit button to the conversation that very quickly becomes a crutch. Teaches kids that violence and yelling is an easy out for any difficult conversation, especially if they learn to hit back.
It may take multiple consecutive generations of parents abstaining from that option to re-construct the art of communicating with their children.



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 No.1263967[Reply]

Would global warming increase much if african countries started to industrialize? Do you think one of the reasons the imperialists keeps africa down is so they dont have to deal with the environmental results of it?
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 No.1264021

>>1264006
Seriously why the fuck would i need to be born in one of the perpetual shitholes? Theres millions been born in China right now. I could have been born under communism.

 No.1264037

>>1264021
There are perks. I'm a westoid but I lived two years in east Africa and I think Africa is the continent with the most promise for this century, and the most opportunities with the new cold war going on. China is ultimately stuck on a downward path and a collision course with the US, Europe is currently a stagnating xenophobe shithole. But Africa? Ripe with possibilities.

 No.1264077

>>1264037
And huge tits.
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 No.1264258

Africa can offset the damage of global warming by damming the congo, recreating lake megachad and megafezzan, then filling ahnet-moyir with water.



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