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Hello, people, I'm creating this thread to know if anyone here has a good reading guide to get into communism, like a reading list that goes from absolute beginners to advanced ideas. I'm a newbie to the topic and I'm don't know much. Thanks.
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>>2297737
>you will think class struggle is important
but it is?
>russia and china are imperialist
yeah that can be a problem but only if you read him as some kind of static dogmatic list of the eternal universal features of imperialism instead of understanding the method of analysis. if you actually read it instead of just skimming the 5 point definition one can see how he came to that list and can update it accordingly

i think
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htm
is shorter more direct and harder to bastardize than imp hsc since he is critiquing those kinds of distortions, where imp has more concrete analysis of the particular conditions of his time

>>2285349
If you're serious about actually understanding Marxism—not the liberalized, toothless version that treats worker co-ops as the end goal—you need to ground yourself in foundational theory, not vague market-friendly nonsense.

Start with Engels for a solid orientation:

"Principles of Communism" lays out the basics in Q&A format: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" helps contrast real scientific socialism with moralistic daydreams: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

Before diving into Capital, it's worth getting a grip on Marx’s political economy:

"Value, Price and Profit" — dissects surplus value and wages under capitalism: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

"Wage Labor and Capital" — earlier and simpler, good to pair with the above: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdf

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don't read anything just have Agent Kochinski as background noise while playing Fortnite

V A U S H



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Engels emphasizes that revolutionaries must avoid all “official appointments” and headquarters within existing parties, since this would deprive them of independence and draw them into a whirlpool of compromises. Only in this way can they preserve the ability to offer uncompromising criticism of all sides and remain genuinely revolutionary, rather than mere rhetorical cheerleaders.

Marx, on the other hand, advises German communists to finally free themselves from “isolation” by establishing local reading circles, distributing cheap pamphlets, and setting up a regular system of correspondence and funding. Such work allows comrades to clarify their ideas, coordinate strategy, and more effectively oppose bourgeois interests - without risking that an early or failed public petition will expose their weakness and exhaust their limited resources.

Lenin’s correspondence with Russian Social-Democrats, following the same logic, recommends founding an all-Russian political newspaper (to be understood as a unified media and communication apparatus) before even considering a mass uprising. In his view, the newspaper is simultaneously a "collective propagandist," a "collective agitator," and a "collective organizer": not merely a physical product on paper, but an organ of collective communication that, through regular printing and distribution, forces the creation of a network of local agents. These agents remain in constant contact with the editorial line, monitor political developments, and exchange information. This network becomes the core of the party - capable of planned agitation, training new cadres, and adapting tactics for everything from student demonstrations to supporting peasant uprisings.

The essence of all three approaches is maintaining the independence of individuals and establishing lasting, connected channels of communication: an independent press (as an organ of collective communication), reading circles, and correspondence. Only once these foundations are laid can a mass movement become effective. Only when political workers are first organized in an autonomous environment, equipped with reliable channels for exchanging ideas, coordinating tactics, and education - in other words, organized into a system of the press, associations, and circles - can the movement avoid being caught unprepared by events and transcend the anxiety of spontaneous, dispersed action.

[1] Marx
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>>2297754
and I won't be lazy and will give the relevant passages
<that's a lot of text
I don't care. read
Marx
>We are in full agreement with your view that the German Communists must emerge from the isolation in which they have hitherto existed and establish durable mutual contacts with one another; similarly, that associations for the purpose of reading and discussion are necessary. For Communists must first of all clear things up among themselves, and this cannot be done satisfactorily without regular meetings to discuss questions concerning communism. We therefore also agree with you completely that cheap, easily understandable books and pamphlets with a communist content must be widely circulated. Both of these things, the former as well as the latter, should be taken up soon and energetically. You recognise the necessity of establishing regular money contributions; but your suggestion to support the authors by means of these contributions, to provide a comfortable life for them we must for our part reject. In our view the contributions should be used only for the printing of cheap communist leaflets and pamphlets and to cover the costs of correspondence, including that from here abroad. It will be necessary to fix a minimum sum for the monthly contributions, so that the amount of money that can be used for common purposes can be accurately determined at any moment. It is furthermore necessary that you should communicate to us the names of the members of your communist association — since we have to know, as you know of us, who it is we are dealing with. Finally, we await your statement of the size of the monthly contributions earmarked for common purposes, since the printing of several popular pamphlets ought to be proceeded with as soon as possible. That these pamphlets cannot be published in Germany is evident and needs no proof.

>We do not consider the time to be appropriate yet for a communist congress. Only when communist associations have been formed in the whole of Germany and means for action have been collected will delegates from the individual associations be able to gather for a congress with any prospect of success. And this will not be likely to occur before next yea


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When did you learn the only reason abortion is legal in America is because of fetal research, and academia is highly complicit in fetal organ trafficking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXVxFS2TvI

This is satanic beyond belief. Preborn babies are being birthed and cut up while still alive so scientists can harvest their organs for academic research. And this isn't a new thing either. In the 1950s big universities in America such as the university of Pittsburgh were performing illegal abortions specifically for the purpose of fetal research. Many of these murdered babies would be the source of cell lines that would go into the creation of vaccines (more reason to oppose vaccination). This is exactly why abortion became legal in America to begin with: academic elites wanted more aborted babies to experiment on.

Intellectuals live in a perpetual bubble and do not care about the moral values of working people. They hate Christ and any kind of universalist morality. They are demons in human form.

We must beg President Trump to finally abolish fetal research. Expose every single university engaged in this hideous, anti-human practice and DEFUND THEM IMMEDIATELY. The babies are't buying your excuses.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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And? So? What of it?


>>2297607
>>2297612
Looks like the BBQ wings I had last night for dinner.

>>2298112
LatAm pro-lifers are just as retarded as American ones.

>>2298197
False. Evangelicals didn’t get involved in the anti-choice movement until the mid-80s. Anti-abortion was always a firmly Catholic issue.



 

Are there any communist or general leftist movements that would accept someone who fully supports the workers expropriating the means of production, but still has chudish views on gender and race? Basically I think anything related to transgender stuff is a meme, and I think there are genuine differences in intelligence and rates of violence between races caused by genetics, but I also support the working class seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie. Is it possible to reconcile Marxist economic views with being a chud on social issues?
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>>2261308
>But I also don't think human biology and psychology are a tabula rasa where inherited genetics means absolutely nothing
its a flip flop again. communists dont believe that either. there is a dialectical relationship between genetics and environment something like where genes determine a min-max and environment determines where on that scale you fall. you have have 200 i q genes and wont actually get that if you start drinking at 5 yo. differences between individuals of the same race are larger then differences in averages between races which are almost entirely due to poverty/capitalism, again assuming capacity and not how-things-are it would indeed be stupid to say there is no difference between people who grow up with indoor plumbing and electricity and people who grow up malnourished in a war zone.
>>2261430
>are purely physical attributes that make some groups better soldiers, or better farmers (at least when physical labor is necessary), better athletes
you know historical avg heights for the same race fluctuate massively with agricultural revolutions? yes a country that has food abundance for ten generations will have better warriors that is not genetics.
>breeds
aren't races unless you think the habsburgs are a race?

>>2260816
What stops you from just attending the labor related things? It's not a social club. Like if you have an org that conditions unionizing, for example, on attending events in support of LGBT issues then you just have a shit organization which is hostage to the culture war. It's not a matter of your taste or anybody's.

If, on the other hand, the problem is that you are so butt-hurt about this other stuff that you cannot possibly tolerate being around it… then clearly the problem is you putting those same things you decry as irrelevant over class struggle, not the org.

>>2265140 (me)
That said, you are naive if you think any sort of socialist success will reward your opinions on race. Hopefully, participating in an organization would develop your curiosity to separate the chaff from the wheat around social issues. Because while I doubt anything "woke" can do much better than courting liberals, your racism is still purge worthy.

>>2264971
>because if you think communism is when you refuse to discuss social issues and relate then to the larger system of capitalism
There's a very big difference between that and "I'm an anti-woke communist" Twitter profile adjective stew.

My end goal is to achieve a world where everyone's basic needs are met and the will of the people represented, and communism is the political manifestation of those goals. That's the end of it. I'm more than willing to work with people who have vastly different opinions on race, religion, and sexuality than I do if it means making progress on the important part. The problem with people like you is that you can never put the extra shit aside and focus on what actually matters. You get sidetracked by your hatred of blacks and transhumanists, and end up making that what defines you, rather than what actually matters.

>milk toast

Lmao

>>2265030
The difference is that Lenin and Stalin didn't build their entire politcal existence around identity politics. To the extent that they did, it should be viewed as flaws, not virtues.

>>2260816

Nazbol



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Personally, I think the proletarianization of the media, the academy and tech is based.

I want every writer, professional and code-monkey to be an immiserated prole who hates capitalism with a burning fire.

It starts small with generic anti-capitalism snuck in here and there. A generic fight against "the system" which can easily hijacked by fascism. But how long can the pressures of ideology hold against the falling rate of profit? The industrialization of knowledge production is inevitable. And sure the bosses will try to exercise control (as they do) and plenty of workers will be fired and have their work rewritten. But why bother censoring yourself when you're making minimum wage anyway?

So how will the bourgeoisie hold power when the workers are exposed to blatant Marxist propaganda everyday?

When the propagandists are as immiserated as the coal miners then the propaganda will reflect the interests of the miners, not the bourgeoisie.
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>>2296786
Nobody wants to go to meetings every week, they just want shit to work without having to think about it

>>2296781
>Participatory democracy is neither desirable
I think it's highly desirable. The further you get from participatory democracy, the more of an asymmetry you see in terms of political interests. A citizen has the interests of a citizen.
>nor practical
Depends how it's implemented, see below.

>>2296826
>Nobody wants to go to meetings every week
There's a million ways to implement participatory democracy most of which don't involve people going to meetings every week. As just one example, Paul Cockshott made a pretty solid proposal here: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/socialism-and-direct-democracy/

>>2296861
>citizen

>>2296990
I don't see how the use of the word "citizen" makes invalid my argument.

its interesting that marxists and capitalists want the same thing isnt it?



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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
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Zele claims that out of 6000 bodies, only 15% are identified, and the rest might as well be Russian corpses Russia has handed over for the purposes of propaganda!

>>2297053
Tbh the deceased probably weren’t identified when they were kidnapped off the streets and conscripted. Really that’s 15% were carrying ID at the point of conscription.

i make a new thread if nobody minds

this thread's pic was *chef kiss* tho, props to op

novij xleb >>2297297



 

Indigenous lawyer Aguilar leads race to head Mexico's Supreme Court
Indigenous rights defender Hugo Aguilar is leading in the race to head Mexico's highest court following the country's first popular election to appoint judges and magistrates, according to electoral authority data on Tuesday. With 87% of votes counted from Sunday's election, Aguilar had some 4.94 million votes - 5.2% of the total. Lenia Batres, who is close to the ruling Morena party, was behind him at 4.69 million votes, or 4.9%.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/indigenous-lawyer-aguilar-leads-race-head-mexicos-supreme-court-2025-06-03/

Evo's supporters stage road blockades in Bolivia
The blockades, which also disrupted highways connecting Santa Cruz and La Paz, are part of broader demands against President Luis Arce Catacora's government, accused of causing an economic crisis with dollar and fuel shortages due to declining gas production. The demonstrators, waving both Bolivian flags and the multicolored indigenous wiphala, demanded Arce’s resignation, labeling him a “traitor.”
https://en.mercopress.com/2025/06/03/evo-s-supporters-stage-road-blockades-in-bolivia

Guatemalan court orders arrests of Colombian officials who led a UN anti-corruption mission
Velásquez responded via X after learning of the accusations. “So now the corrupt Guatemalan attorney general and her prosecutor Curruchiche – designated as corrupt and sanctioned by the United States and the European Union – extend their persecution for Luz Adriana Camargo and me,” Velásquez wrote. “My solidarity with the former officials and so many Guatemalan citizens who the Attorney General’s Office has forced into exile.”
https://apnews.com/article/guatemala-colombia-ivan-velasquez-corruption-3fe9650dcf6bffd36b615ed0b28f27e4

Toronto city council passes controversial 'bubble zone' protest bylaw
The original version of the bylaw pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Millions of legal immigrants’ lives upended after social security freeze
Without any public notice, on 19 March, the program was halted, affecting millions of immigrants every year and burdening Social Security Administration offices, as those applicants will now have to visit a Social Security Administration office and apply separately to receive a social security number. Following the freeze, the Trump administration issued a memo on 15 April aimed at preventing undocumented immigrants from receiving social security benefits, but provided no evidence of it being a problem.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/03/social-security-program-quietly-frozen-musk-immigrant-claims

Trump job cuts hobble NOAA team that reopens ports after hurricanes, sources say
A Florida-based federal emergency response team that reopens U.S. ports after storms and accidents is unstaffed this hurricane season largely due to widespread federal workforce reductions driven by the Trump administration, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/trump-job-cuts-hobble-noaa-team-that-reopens-ports-after-hurricanes-sources-say-2025-06-03/

Massachusetts students and teachers protest teen’s ‘inhumane’ arrest by Ice
Students at Massachusetts’s Milford high school staged a walkout on Monday to show support for their classmate Marcelo Gomes Da Silva, who was headed to volleyball practice when he was detained over the weekend by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agents who were actually looking for his father.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/03/boston-student-protest-ice-arrest-marcelo-gomes-da-silva

Los Angeles County will pay $2.7M to teen boy attacked in ‘gladiator fights’ at detention facility
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Ukraine: From social collapse to social explosion. What are the obstacles?
The May holidays, during which this article was being prepared, are the traditional time of mass exodus of the Ukrainian population to their dachas and garden plots. The shutdown of the formal sector of the economy due to bombing and mobilization is re-launching the process of agrarian archaization, which already allowed millions of Ukrainians to survive in the harsh 90s. If we take official data, the majority of the population of Ukraine should have died of hunger long ago. As of April 1, 2025, the average pension in the country was UAH 6,341, or $153. At the same time, according to the Pension Fund of Ukraine, in November 2024, the total number of pensioners in the country was 10.353 million people, which is 10.5 thousand more than a month earlier. The minimum wage in Ukraine this year is UAH 8,000. In our native Kharkov this may only be enough for two persons to buy food for a couple of weeks. Understanding the situation is further complicated by the difficulty of conducting opinion polls, which do not give a complete picture. Sociologists and political scientists say in informal conversations that 80% of people in Ukraine being offered to participate in research refuse to speak in face-to-face groups. In telephone surveys, 9 out of 10 people refuse to be interviewed. What these people think about the economic situation in the country and how they characterize their own financial condition, one can only guess. More reliable figures than these government statistics are provided by field calculations from the UN World Food Programme, according to which almost a third of the population in six frontline regions of Ukraine is experiencing food shortages.
https://libcom.org/article/ukraine-social-collapse-social-explosion-what-are-obstacles

Labour’s historic inability to ‘read the room’ :JOHN ELLISON looks back at Labour’s opportunistic tendency, when in office, to veer to the right on policy as well as ideological worldview
JUST twenty-five years ago, a tiny journalistic event took place within the pages of Sunday’s Observer: a short piece by former Labour deputy leader and shadow chancellor Roy Hattersley. He had been amiably voluble in media outlets during more than 32 yPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>British tourist says Corfu holiday was a 'nightmare' because there was 'no English food'

>Susan Edwards set off on a seven-night all-inclusive holiday to the Lido Corfu Sun Hotel on the Greek island with her family last month but claimed the trip was 'horrendous from the minute we got there'.



>The 69-year-old paid £750 for the holiday but blasted the hotel's dining options, insisting 'there was no food we could eat and we couldn't have anything to drink'.


>On the first morning, she could have 'toast, a hard boiled egg, or something in sauce. There was no bacon'.


>The next day's breakfast was 'mozzarella and sliced tomatoes. There was no hot bacon or sausage'.


>Thankfully, 'we got chips one day' but only 'one day out of the whole lot'.


>'There was fish, sardines and rice - I was sick to death of looking at rice,' Ms Edwards, from Westerhope, said.


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>>2297088
no proper british food like pizza and chinese takeout, the suffering she has had to go through… startling.

Tybna



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>Islamabad Inspector General Syed Ali Nasir Rizvi said on Tuesday that the 17-year-old TikTok star, Sana Yousaf, was shot dead by a man who had repeatedly contacted her online.

>Sana, who turned 17 last week and had more than a million followers across her social media accounts, was killed at her home in Islamabad on Monday evening.


>The police have arrested a 22-year-old on suspicion of her murder, who spent hours loitering outside her home.


>"It was a case of repeated rejections. The boy was trying to reach out to her time and again," the Islamabad police chief said during a news conference.


>"It was a gruesome and cold-blooded murder," Rizvi added.


>Yousaf had more than 800,000 followers on TikTok, a wildly popular platform in Pakistan, where she posted lip-sync videos, skincare tips, and promotional content for beauty products.


>The last video posted on her account was hours before her murder, in which she was seen cutting a cake for her birthday.


>"Rest in Peace" and "Justice for Sana", read some comments under the video.

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>>2295738
the western half of pakistan is iranic

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>>2295711
Chuds WON

>>2295744
they should be facing each other in the meme when saying this

DEAD PAKISTANI WOMEN DO NOT MATTER
ONLY DEAD PALESTINIAN WOMEN MATTER
FIGHT THE ZIO ENEMY
DO NOT CREATE DIVISION WITHIN THE UMMAH

>>2297016
>>2295738
NEVER EQUATE INDIA WITH PAKISTAN
INDIANS ARE DARK UGLY HINDUS
PAKISTANIS ARE ARYANS



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I spent 4 hours last night laughing with my organized Iraqi comrade about MLs, their infantile belief in the state, support for the most batshit reactionary groups in the region and their Lassallen tendency. We also had a laugh about Hakim's blatant chauvinism, inaction and grift.

Good times. Thanks for making my week bros. The real movement will crush all, promise.
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>>2296914
but the state appropriates surplus value from workers under the primary stage dotp. according to marx a portion of proceeds of labor are appropriated for the replacement and expansion of productive forces, public services, for insurance, etc. so even if china is fully communist, in the sense that it is fully controlled by the workers party, the system of exploitation of man by man is not yet completely abolished even if it is reduced

>>2296920
I should've put /s at >>2296914 because I'm not the anon you were replying to lol.

>>2296896
The war on drugs is People's War.
>>2296916
Money fundamentally changes its nature in being applied to the needs of the development of socialist economy. Under capitalism, money is turned into capital and is a means of appropriating the unpaid labour of other people. In socialist economy, on the other hand, money is a weapon of economic construction in the interests of the mass of the people in accordance with the requirements of the basic economic law of socialism. It is an expression of the socialist relations of production.

>>2292054
Mods IP range?

>>2296920
>but the state appropriates surplus value from workers under the primary stage dotp
Wrong. Expanded socialist reproduction and expanded capitalist reproduction are opposites. Extended socialist reproduction requires the constant renewal and increase of the production of both means of production and articles of consumption, in the definite proportions laid down by the national economic plan.

In its value the social product is divided into: (1) the value of used-up means of production, which has been transferred to the product; (2) the new value which labour has created for itself; (3) the new value which labour has created for society. The social and economic nature of each of these parts of the value of the social product is essentially different from its nature under capitalism. In the process of socialist reproduction, national economic funds function in place of constant and variable capital, and the net income of society takes the place of surplus-value.



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Fuck Debord, Deleuze, Guattari, Adorno, Zizek, all the Frankfurt school, all other postmodernist, critical theory, all these indecipherable philosophers. I despise these social fascist lickspittles. Why are they even considered remotely socialist? It's like they didn't take a single lesson from The German Ideology, they read Marx encyclopedically but don't even pay attention to what he's saying! All they see is the long winded style of writing he inherited from Hegel and replicate that rather than spending a moment to realize that their philosophy is useless. Like liberals they pick out a few 'radical' sounding things and ignore the real work on political economy!

Their understanding of socialism is completely liberal because it is just taking the aesthetics and going 'Well, they had some good points. But I think we need a new way'. Liberal scum. Always they end up supporting NATO and social democracy, or they become ridiculous anarchists. The post-modernists have had a terrible effect on socialism. It is the ideology of neoliberal capitalism, incompatible with Marxism and communism. Post modernists need their delusions beaten out of them to show that the real world does have meaning. Postism is completely rubbish. All 'posts' are ridiculous theories, that included Post-colonialism. Fundementally they are bourgeois, because it is rejecting real progress.

All these lickspittles say is the most radical things ever. "Let's abolish capitalism and all exploitation! Let's abolish time! Let's abolish the current way we see the world!". But then they don't do anything about it! And lots of what they are asking for and conflating with the class struggle is ridiculous like paedophilia and time abolishing. These ones are the ideological fault for postisms and identity politics becoming such a big thing. Nobody real can read their work. Even Marx tried to make his work readable even though at times it is difficult. But they revel in how complex and difficult it is. This is for a reason - their audience is the petit-bourgeois, not the working class.


There has never been a good philosopher. Hegel might have been useful to Marx, but once Marx transcended him he should never be read (Lenin is wrong on this). The only real philosophers are the ones who are working in the struggle. The fascists should be ostracised and their books burned. I despise them and I am angered whenever I hear one of their evil names.
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>>2282598
they are pretty dumb books

>>2243005
>go read 3 whole pages and two paragraphs of adorno non-stop crying about how evil mickey mouse is
>>2243376
this should be proven in concrete and empirical way anyone can do a marx-vibes inspired essay about how whatever is currently annoying them is poisoned by capitalism

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>>2280258
>Why this fear of concreteness and structure

anything real is poisoned by the sin of ideology thats why critical theory praxis is always about doing nothing

>>2242664
>Being against academics that distort Marx means you're a chud.



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