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One of the major things that annoys me about liberals is they act morally superior to people of the past who had bigoted beliefs.

First they ignore the material conditions that bigotry, ie growing up in a homophobic religious community, livinging in a segregated community. They assume that morality is fixed thing those in the past where to ignorant of it or are evil. Rather than it being an invention man based his experiences. Do really slave owners are inherently bad people, or due to them Owning/growing up in a society that has them they begin to rationalize why they are necessary and that's for the benefit of the slaves. Liberals themselves don't even follow their own standards as lot of them can be hateful towards Russians and Chinese people. And view LGBT, Black people with rose tinted glasses.

Secondly its a form slave morally taken to its extreme. Instead of just believing that your morally superior to your alive opponents instead you have to rebuke the dead. As some sort of resentment towards the past and its figures. It's a feeling of false power.
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Lol what, liberals always make excuses for dead slave owners

>>2530888
I was watching that shitty Gen V show because I love my slop and two characters had a little dialogue
>Einstein was a racist
<actually, he was a firm supporter of the civil rights movement
>he didn't like the Chinese
<*dramatic OOOOH YOU GOT PWNED pause*
I almost turned it off. I felt transported straight back to 2016.

>>2530901
No, their first form of attack is always to dig up a 200-year-old private letter where the author says something like how he doesn't like slavs that much. They always ignore the content of the work. And yes, they do idolize slave owners, like the Iroquois. they don't care about hypocrisy because they own the status quo and don't have to justify themselves.

>>2530901
conservatives and fascists do the same just for their own ends

>Do really slave owners are inherently bad people, or due to them Owning/growing up in a society that has them they begin to rationalize why they are necessary and that's for the benefit of the slaves.

Yes I believe slavers in all times and places were evil. Some people say slavery was necessary for civilization, and if that's true then civilization is evil, which is easy enough to believe just looking around. Not only do I love moralism and presentism I also love judging current people by the standards of an imagined future society. If I can see it why can't others? Probably because they're stupid and evil.

>>2532802
cant tell if this post is just trolling or not but if it is serious then
>muh evil
good and evil are terms invented by humans and have no fixed defenition for what counts for both.
>Yes I believe slavers in all times and places were evil.
Let's look at the United States for example notice most abolitionists are from north while those who defended slavery to most vehemently are overwhelmingly from the south. That's because the north relied on free workers for the ecomony to function while in the south they required slavery. Even when slavery was finally abolished the south still for decades after had a form of pseudo slavery where bound to plantations due poor economic conditions and jim crow laws.



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Do the inter-socialist wars like the Sino-Soviet War, Sino-Vietnamese border conflict, Albania-Yugoslav border conflict, Cambodia-Vietnamese War, etc not demonstrate that war will persist under socialist governance due to the need of states to maximize their power, as is advanced by geopolitical realism?
Capitalist Imperialism only covers so much of warfare. States are much more than arbiters of class control, they also enforce social cohesion among a people. Once the ruling function was established in society, it began to be differentiated and assigned to a specific class only when victorious peoples in tribal wars took slaves and ruled the vanquished tribes. Rule and control preceded class and will outlast class. Even if Lenin fell to utopianism in State and Revolution, to have a centrally planned and vast assembled organization of production is obviously nonsensical without a highly centralized authority, and that authority will require a military to defend itself against other states outside of their borders who may desire to infringe on its territory. A workers' and peasants' desire to enslave another nation for their own security or for what the Chinese called Hegemonism is not unthinkable, just look at the Soviet-Afghan War. And even if its is not capitalist imperialism it still necessitates each socialist state maintaining armies to defend themselves even as the last outpost of the bourgeoisie lays down its arms.
The only reason why the Soviets only had to care about one of their bordering socialist states is because they had complete military control over the Eastern European people's democracies and Mongolia. When bordering socialist states had independent militaries, it was different. China, not controlling any of the socialist states it bordered, waged war on both the USSR and Vietnam, and Democratic Kampuchea waged war on Vietnam. Somalia waged war on Ethiopia, and there were fights between Albania and Yugoslavia. That's more than can be handwaved away as being because those leaders woke up in a crabby mood. It shows that even nations under Communist-run states need to defend themselves from other nations, even those who are also under Communist-run states. The state will not just wither away, it will remain in place to act as a means of national defense.
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>>2526862
These were inter-social democratic wars, not inter-socialist wars. I think that will help with your totally-wrong conception of the state.

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>>2533570
t. picrel

>>2533570
Why would the family disappear?
You mean the family will be free from capital

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My view on the National question is that like you said the state as an society existing in a defined space for a common interest organised by laws existed before the class dynamic and later got co-opted and formed in a feedback loop of class struggles.

The current geopolitical order is an order of international capital through which exploitation and alienation has become global but also more interconnected.

When markets reach a point that they exhaust themselves and a breaking point is reached and revolution happens, the community negates capitalism but in a form similar to the one before and that is the socialist state.

It has the form of national state :borders , military , intelligence agency , etc while also carrying the ideas of it’s own demise : public ownership at the same time

The revolution has to take on this form because it would be isolated in a sea of burgeoise who will take the first opportunity to kill it.

Therefore the state can only weather away only after the burgeoise international order has been negated into a socialist international order, until then
National-Communism is a necessary step in achieving that

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>>2533674
Communism wants to negate the family as in to reject the capitalist aspect which centres it around property and elevating it into a new form in a post capitalist dynamic.

Anyone who un-ironically thinks family as in family be or should be abolished is a lunatic and inherently anti revolutionary



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Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
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>>2533428
If the US is in a civil war it’s because all the other countries you listed have also fallen

>>2532954
you see, the only reason we have the incredibly means tested, constantly cut and more and more inaccessible social safety net is solely due to imperialism! If you want to make things better here, you must support imperialism!

>>2533395
Ben Norton goes to great lengths to stress alarmism and doomsday predictions as being wrong. Given his frequent contact with Hudson I'd imagine he thinks the same way

>>2532885
Lately, all of your posts are bad, my man.

t. sad Ginjeet



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Best USA president in its history?

My pick is Calvin Coolidge, since the best thing we can hope for in a capitalist / imperial leader is a complete hands off isolationist (and military defunding) approach. So what if he was a libertarian wet dream
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>>2457903
No such thing as a good US president

Trump (second term)

Andrew Johnson was the goat american. He represents American finely. An absolute retard

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I think we all know the answer to this question.

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That "historian" is a right winged libertarian



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>b-b-but newspapers arent praxis you fucking (((trot)))!
Consider the following, dear reader.
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All forms of media can be praxis. But only if have anything worthwhile to say.

Honestly the idea that spreading communist ideas via paper is useless is weird. That idea rests on assuming that everyone in your country either already knows communist theory and disagrees with it. It also assumes everyone without exception has no curiosity and refuses to read or learn anything about communism.

>1969
Nobody reads newspapers anymore.

>>2532891
Ok make shitty tiktok videos about USA warcrimes instead.


>unsuccessful fragging attempts
unsuccessful



 

David Cleary, solider F, has been found not guilty for his role in the bloody Sunday massacre, where 14 civilians were killed while they peacefully protested for their rights in 1972, this massacre essentially kickstarted the troubles.



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How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?

I've recently been reminded of this due to the Czech republic having a far-right party (Freedom and Direct Democracy Party) who wants to expel all migrants and "protect Czechia from Islamization" that is headed by a Japanese-Czech mutt who was born in Japan and lived there until he was 10.
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>>2508849
>You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…
Specifically on construction (and by extension other manual trades relating to house building/maintenance) is that a lot of that work has been petit-bourgoified. Construction unions used to be as powerful as anything but outside of Australia they really aren't much anymore.

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People develop a petit bourg consciousness in spite of mostly being proletarianized. Reason is simple.
If you have the material condition of being immiserated then this is a prerequisite for developing a revolutionary consciousness. However, its also a prerequisite for falling for dreams of upward mobility a la "The Pursuit of Happiness" (2006).

Since a lot of these migrant workers have little education they're easy prey for vulgar propaganda meant to specifically appeal to people in those conditions and distract them (or even turn them hostile to) ideas that are more coherent to history and the way capitalism functions. Again, the combination of "very poor education" + "anti-communist brainwashing" makes them easy prey for things that obviously do not work like "just work harder, save money and become your own boss!".
As for why this makes them self hating the answer is it doesn't: they consider themselves "the good ones that work hard to pull themselves by the bootstraps" and the other migrants as freeloader leechers.
I'm talking in part by experience as a latino (that has never left south america btw) that has seen a nuclear shitload of right wing sentiment in actual proles. It makes no sense but once you realize how easy people can be spooked if they're kept as uneducated as possible then it all makes sense.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian immigrants in DC. They tend to be extremely right-wing, anti-communist, Islamophobic, and pro-Zionist, yet they’re very subtle about it. Plus, Ethiopian Orthodoxy has all sorts of weird occult stuff in their religion that always translates to crypto-fascism. It reminds me of Mormonism just for Black people. DC would be better off revoking their visas and sending these people back.

>>2508842
>assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

What crazy thinking!

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>>2508739
>How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?
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The bullied want someone weaker to bully and are willing to praise their own bullies in the process, if they believe that will provide some felling of belonging. Pretty much the same process through which fascism establishes itself.
You might have noticed, specially if you lurk in places like 4chan's /pol/, how much some people from impoverished corners of the world try hard, often too hard, to blend in with the place's local chud population. Filipinos, Pakistanis, Indians, some Latin Americans, they will try desperately to join the bullying side when the joke is on someone else. As an example, guys from Southeast Asia seem to rejoice when the speech is anti-black. They will be bullied themselves in the process but suck it up and act apologetic just so they can, at least once, feel they are not at the bottom of the pyramid.
To give other examples, people from the Indian Subcontinent desperate to be seen as more white and civilized by bringing up some 5 millennia old Aryan presence, Latin Americans bringing up some German great-great-great-great German grandfather nobody asked about, the odd Southeastern Asian dude trying to convince others (or actually believing, who knows) that the strict, disciplined and smart Asian stereotype applies to him while ignoring the racist jokes thrown at him to remind that the Asian stereotype Yankees talk about do not include the Philippines, Thailand or Cambodia.
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A lot of you seem to have highly authoritarian thinking. It's always universal top-down solutions, it's always all-or-nothing, you're either with us or against us, there can only be one way to live, one universal dogma, one kind of society, one shared destiny for everyone, lead follow or get out of the way. You may have learned how to use leftist terminology and quote the words of a few famous leftist figures but you still think like your square conservative parents.
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>you all have authoritarian thinking
we do have authoritarian thinking,

we should all be in charge
in charge of the means of production and should be a dictatorship of the proletariat

>>2532641
What's the point of getting involved in politics if you're not authoritarian?

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>>2532747
Because muh don’t tread on me man, we have too be democratic and le free

>>2532747
LARP, moralizing, virtue signalling, a lot of reasons. But in the end, the toppling of a current order is merely a vacuum that will be filled by a new order, and to be a libcuck is to cede what that new order should be.

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>>2532641
>It's always universal top-down solutions, it's always all-or-nothing, you're either with us or against us, there can only be one way to live, one universal dogma, one kind of society, one shared destiny for everyone, lead follow or get out of the way.
Yes.



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Why wasn’t there any type of De-Maoization?
When Nikita Khrushchev took office after Stalin he went on a campaign of de-Stalinization where statues of Stalin were torn down and streets and cities named after him were renamed. Why didn’t Deng Xiaoping do the same with Mao Zedong? I’m not saying that Deng should have or shouldn’t have but I’m just wondering why. Because Mao is still celebrating in China and seen as a great figure who only made a few mistakes.
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>>2531436
Tbh Ghorby did the same thing that ideologues accuse Deng of doing, the difference is that Deng’s plan was actually Marxist and not socdem butt licker

>>2531318

Do you have any non-CIA bitch source to site for that ?

>>2531366
Pakistan won

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>>2530049
There was a de-Hua Guofeng-ization. Mao's successor had his own cult of personality for 2 years and it got completely dismantled to the point that his death in 2008 was barely noticed.

>>2531366
Radio Free Europe and Radio Free Asia are literal CIA propaganda outlets. Consider shooting yourself.



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Both /pol/ and /leftypol/ are the same exact fucking thing, same bullshit, both of you people are clearly manifestations of yaldabaothic energies and it’s clear that neither of you really give a shit about anyone
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>>2529233
>What was your definition of reality?
>a better question would be what is knowledge. maybe read the thread before posting
Why don't you define them?
>no they dont. this is what i mean by missing the point. ive already said just today:
You quoted half a dozen posts where you said nothing.

>>2529249
>Why don't you define them?
read the thread
>You quoted half a dozen posts where you said nothing.
If you reject dialectical materialism just say so instead of restating things that dont address it.

Fuck off tumblrite

>muh eschaton

>>2490791
wanting a father figure is not the same as unconsciously producing material policies that adhere to a need of a father

>>2491120
this is a schizo post - I did not say that marx invented socialism nor implied that marxism is the only socialism out there - what socialism IS however - is a self consciousness about the world - when you are self conscious about the world, then you cannot succumb to the opiate of Gnosticism

go suck my dick bitch



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