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 No.79371[Reply]

Opinions on picrel?
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 No.96041

>>93903
>When you look at actual hunter-gatherers you find that they have an almost encyclopedic knowledge of their surrounding plants and animals

Wow! I was noticing the same thing about modern day humans. Even the children seem to
possess an almost encyclopedic knowledge of a supermarket.
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 No.96048

>>79963
Marx had 6 kids. You know he had a donkey dick.
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 No.96171

>>94120
"almost encyclopedic knowledge of their surrounding plants and animals"
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 No.96661

>>93223
He didn't murder his wife you fucking asshole, she literally begged him to do it because she had cancer
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 No.96882

>>96661
source: your asshole


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 No.96513[Reply]

Are there any sources on modern Chinese Marxism which have actually been translated into english? Who are the actual thinkers in the CCP and how do they justify their countrys policies from a Marxist perspective?
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 No.96606

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2050 China
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 No.96611

>>96595
Weird works for me. But look up "Monthly Review" and "China" and track down the October 2020 edition of the magazine which is a collection of work by Chinese Marxist scholars.
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 No.96616

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 No.96620

This is the bimonthly journal of the CPCCC
http://en.qstheory.cn/
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 No.96857

>>96606
This will be interesting to read.


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 No.20081[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The western left as it exists today is completely unfit for purpose. Worse, it is composed of people who each believe that they have all the answers, when in fact all they have is fantasies. These fantasies take many forms, from the naive to the inane, from "The Third World will fix society for me!" to "And then one day, as if by magic, Americans simply rose up and overthrew the bourgeoisie and established FALC."
Countless hours are spent on displacement activities. People will argue as though it as a matter of life and death that Khrushchev's legacy be defended, that a shitposting thread on /leftypol/ takes the correct line on critically supporting North Korea, that people understand that you cannot vote your way to communism, and so on. People who have no means of conducting either reform or revolution will argue furiously for one or the other. This is an insane state of affairs. The left purportedly has ends, but it has no means.

I am here to tell you now that your ends mean nothing, because you have no means to achieve them. More importantly, I am going to suggest to you the basic means necessary to achieve anything.

First, a simple point: Communism is "the real movement which abolishes the present state of things". It is not "the theoretical movement that abolishes the present state of things." you can read every book in the Marxist canon, and if all you do is sit around reading a lot of books then your achievement will be no more meaningful than if you had read all the books of the bible. The left must be judged on what it achieves in the real world, and not on what clever ideas it has.
Second, a further point: It is important to grasp the paltry achievements of the western left in any of our lifetimes. You may want to live in a society on the Soviet model, but you're as likely to get that in the US Democratic party as you are in any of the rump Communist parties that litter the west today. Not because the Democrats are going to reform their way to socialism, but because the newspaper hawkers and front-group founders (yes, I know, "those are trotskyist stereotypes!") are never going to deliver on that goal. It is simply beyond them. It is like setting the goal of getting to the moon and choosing a bicycle as your means of getting there. Working people are never - not in any permutation of history, not in any alternate timeline - going to spontaneously recognise them as the vanguard and install them to power. The iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.96701

>>96652
>It's attempting to clarify reality, rather than trying to make it fit some pre-existing Marxist dogma based on conditions 200 years ago: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/94554.html
And yet at parts its incorrect. This is my issue with people who "critique" dogma a lot of the time, and its that they are not critiquing dogma at all. More likely then not, they had a belief or view that they had brushed aside by someone else who utilized Marx in their arguments, and decided that it was not the view at fault, but some part of Marx. And this would at times be fine, but instead it sometimes goes so far as to throw Marx out wholesale, or arguably even more concernedly leads them to claim statements that their views do not actually conform fully to reality to be "dogma". Dogmatism can be an issue, sure, but this practice pollutes the term.
>In particular, it explains why most proles view the class struggle today in an anti-statist lens. There is no true pure capitalist class today, capitalism is mainly a perfunctory function performed by the state and institutions.
It's statements like these that lack any kind of understanding of the mechanisms of capitalism, or even reality. What do you even mean by "pure capitalist class"? What, the capitalist class that never had anything to do with the state whatsoever, that was never involved in any institution? So a capitalist class that practically never existed? Wow, if we define capitalist and capitalism in such terms, I guess capitalists really don't exist! How convenient! What you don't understand is that you were never supposed to treat capitalism as separate from the capitalist state. You were never supposed to draw this artificial line in which the "pure capitalists" exist here, and the state and institutions exist there, and then one day they intermixed and now the capitalist class no longer functions as one. You're observing parts of capitalism in particular vacuums, and then complaining that those vacuums no longer exist, despite them never existing in the first place. It's like you adopted an underlying capitalist libertarian worldview, and then worked from there in the opposite direction as opposed to seeing how that worldview was false in the firstPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.96704

>>96701
*or arguably even more concernedly leads them to claim statements that say their views do not actually conform fully to reality to be "dogma".
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 No.96706

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why resurrect this thread?
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 No.96720

>>96701
>What you don't understand is that you were never supposed to treat capitalism as separate from the capitalist state.
Dude, you're ascribing views to me that I've never held, just because you've seen a few of my posts on this thread. If anything, the view that you're railing against, the one that artificially separates the capitalist class from the capitalist state, is precisely the dogmatism I'm criticizing, the implicit worldview of many Leftists on this imageboard. They repeatedly and dogmatically defend the role of the state, in its noblesse oblige responsibility to distribute healthcare, or forgive student debt, or combat climate change, or provide stimulus relief, without recognizing or just outright ignoring its inherent ties to the capitalist class. In such a situation, the proles who have just simple suspicions about the ability of the state to do anything for them, are 100x more class conscious than social welfare liberal "progressives".
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 No.96775

>>96720
>Dude, you're ascribing views to me that I've never held, just because you've seen a few of my posts on this thread.
Well, I only have your posts to go off of. You arguably did this first though with my posts.
>If anything, the view that you're railing against, the one that artificially separates the capitalist class from the capitalist state, is precisely the dogmatism I'm criticizing, the implicit worldview of many Leftists on this imageboard.
"Dogmatism" is not the word I would use, because this isn't some dogmatic following of Marx like you implied. When you state you have problems with "Marxist dogma", and then take issue with a position that isn't Marxist "dogma", don't be surprised when people think you sound confused.
>They repeatedly and dogmatically defend the role of the state, in its noblesse oblige responsibility to distribute healthcare, or forgive student debt, or combat climate change, or provide stimulus relief, without recognizing or just outright ignoring its inherent ties to the capitalist class.
Depends on what is context of the state we're talking about, but if we are primarily talking about the capitalist state and not some kind of state utilized as a DoTP, then I agree in the sense that sometimes there are people who can lose sight of the fact that capital dominates the state and its functions, and any attempt at "reform" will merely result in impotent bourgeoisie politicking which not only fails in actual implementation by merit of their position over the process, but also the perpetuation of capitalism as a whole by presenting the capitalist as a necessary requirement for solutions. I know you may not want me to post Marx, but a paragraph on faux "bourgeoisie socialism" (secondary form, not the one critiquing Proudhon) is relevant. Note that he's not saying its literally socialism, but one of the positions that espouse a "socialism" that falls flat on its face and functions as nothing more then the perpetuation of capitalism:
<A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.92259[Reply]

after the usa is gone who will defend capitalism? my guess is china will defend capitalism while pretending not to.
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 No.93692

>>92511
UK has utterly cuckbelted itself to the US.
When the US falls the UK falls.

But yeah final showdown is basically shaping up to be EU v. China with Russia and India being the the deciders of who they hate more and are thus more likely to side with.
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 No.93695

>>92259
>my guess is china will defend capitalism while pretending not to.
You know iv'e actually been thinking about this myself for a while, China is clearly what the liberal technocrats want to implement in the west (aka "Great reset") a Poor mans knockoff """"""""Communi$m""""""""" built entirely to preserve capitalism (in particular modern western financial capitalism).
The society we have seen china evolve into since the dismantlement of socialism under Deng is basically what the Technocrats want to implement in the west but with a gigantic smiley face on it.

Gigantic Megaopolis's where people do gig economy shit for just enough money to survive all while being lorded over by a tecgnocratic caste, All supported by a massive pool of agricultural labour in countryside.
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 No.93741

>>92259
Yet another post that starts with the premise that there always will be a nation which is all powerful and able to enforce capitalism

Capitalism is dependent on the USA survival. First to force everyone to be capitalist. Second through providing consumer demand to buy everything. Other nations may be able to buy some stuff but not as much as USA
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 No.93777

>>93677
well what was actually said was they weren't gonna return to mao-era planning

which was not a very good era of "peasants should make steel in their backyards"
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 No.96756

>>93663
Why are they allowing EU foreign direct investment then? That means you have to pay porky to nationalize their businesses.


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 No.96075[Reply]

Why Everyone calls me a nazi while i use wehraboo humour in ocassions like memes or jokes im somehow likely a Nazbol tier or something. I only like hitler for his biography but i do hate him for his imperialism.And also i love prussian marches (specially with NVA) and nazi occultism.
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 No.96205

you faggots are so edgy and anti human it’s sad really
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 No.96222

>>96182
> how does it feel to be totally cucked by the jews for over half a century, hans?
I’ve met quite a few jews, decent lads and lasses the lot of them, some could drink like a motherfucker, others were more quiet and reserved, some fucked a lot, most didn’t; all in all regular folks I’d say. Most of them sure loved their weed.
Almost every conservatard or rightoid I’ve met was an actual fucking loser and moron though.
Anyway why are you here, stormfag? Chaddamn stole your gf?
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 No.96252

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>>96198
bruh he deleted it! noooooo
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 No.96732

>>96187
I've never posted pictures of myself here but it's nice to know I'm not the only nazi tranny kek
also I miss the transhumanist filter tbh
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 No.96739

Moved to >>>/b/13983.


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 No.96693[Reply]

Even if you imperialist pieces of shit win, nature will wipe you out
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 No.96703

>azquote
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 No.96718

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>>96693
Anarcho primitivism pride worldwide
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 No.96727

Moved to >>>/b/13966.
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 No.96728

Moved to >>>/b/13971.


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 No.96719[Reply]

Need a good explanation for why the Amerifat masses shouldn’t just suffer at this point
They’re still utterly classcucked even now that the mask is off and porky reveals he will devour them all
So fuck the burgers, my countrymen deserve suffering and pain, fuck em, fuck em
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 No.96722

What justice would that serve? What political end would that serve?
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 No.96723

>>96722
Maybe if burgers suffer immensely they will finally turn against porky
Or maybe they will be destroyed and porky will no longer have his army
Win-win for the world either way
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 No.96729

Moved to >>>/b/13976.


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 No.94846[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

https://josemariasison.org/how-chinese-loans-become-unrepayable/
This Filipino communist argues that Chinese loans are unrepayable due to infrastructure design choices that cater price jacking and builds of this point to explain how they're by definition imperialist. Does /leftypol/ agree or disagree, and why?
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 No.96567

>>96432
That's neat, where is all the high-end semiconductor production equipment made?

>>96432
They sanctioned Trump's neocons and anyone who they come to work for. HAHAHAHAHAHA more like this please!

>>96538
Why does it matter?

>>96553
Can confirm, they are.
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 No.96576

China is just another henchman of the transnational ruling order. It's not really proper to speak of nation-states as "doing imperialism". Take the United States - its rulers could throw away 2/3 of the population and nothing would fundamentally change, especially if the rulers get to choose exactly who of the 2/3 are disposed. The favored Americans more and more see themselves as "global citizens" and can move freely wherever they like. If America were no longer viable, those with the freedom of international travel will just move wherever they like.

You still have a few centers of national and regional power, and those do matter, but the objective of the actors isn't to struggle against other regions, so much as it's about getting their piece of the action. Where America is the military henchman who goes conquering rebel regions, China is a manufacturing and financial henchman because that's where the money is globally. China has the people and actually produces shit. China doing what it does isn't really about imperial competition with the United States, in preparation for WW3 or anything of that sort. China especially doesn't want any sort of war.
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 No.96663

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>>96576
Gosh it disturbs me to see you, Eugene
Looking so down in the dumps
Ev'ry anon here'd love to be you, Eugene
Even when taking your lumps
There's no poster ITT as admired as you
You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why
No one's slick as Eugene
No one's quick as Eugene
No one's skull’s as incredibly thick as Eugene’s
For there's no one ITT half as schizo
Crazy, a Caligula!
You can ask any Sage, Lear, or Sabo
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 No.96674

>>94863
China literally has a star on its flag dedicated to the national-bougies which has been retconned over the years from "Guys that own barber shops" > "Guys that own supermarkets" > "Alibaba and Huawei"
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 No.96705

>>96550
It's from Michael Roberts.
source of those slides : https://thenextrecession.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/the-economics-foundations-of-imperialism.pptx

>In Capital, Marx shows that, through competition, there is a tendency for the profit rates measured in value (labour time) to equalise into prices of production. There is a transfer of value from some capitals to others to bring about this equalisation of profit rates. This transfer process in competition also applies to international trade. The transfer of value from the dominated to the imperialist economies is achieved by the tendency to equalise rates of profit between nations in the international market for goods and capital.

>The periphery has less technology and more labour and so produces more value (in labour time) to make the same product. The imperialist countries have more technology and less labour and so produce less value (in labour time). When profit rates are equalised through competition in world markets, then a portion of the extra surplus value that has been extracted from the workers by the capitalists in the South gets transferred to the capitalists of the North. So, although international trade in goods and services appears to work through equality of exchange (money for goods, goods for money at set prices), beneath the surface, there is an unequal exchange of value (UE). The imperialist capitals gain extra value while the peripheral capitalists lose value. Figure 13 of my PP presentation shows how this transfer of value works. (The economics foundations of imperialism)
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/


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 No.96676[Reply]

I know we at the very least we have one very dedicated Vietnamese poster who seems very critical of his own countries government and so on in regards to it not being a socialist state.

Could you post an explanation of the reasons you dislike the CPV's current course and what you think they could do to correct it? / If there are any particularly still "based" individuals in the Vietnamese government that are preventing it degrading to China levels?


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 No.66675[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Is anyone else noting a schism forming in the left?

eg.
>DSA leadership + AOC
vs
<FTV

>Jan 6 insurrection/coup, right wingers are fascists

vs
<don't demonize the right, engage with them

>infrared haven't read marx. it's all wrong

vs
<let's engage with the ideas

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 No.96161

>>67049
Based.
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 No.96209

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>>67237
>be an anarchist
>be famous for being those people who say they want everyone and not a thing less
>pisses off the left

>be an anarchist

>ask for 'graded reforms' in some misguided effort at 'left unity'
>pisses off left
hmmmm.
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 No.96221

>>67049
incredibly based, selling newspapers is cool tho
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 No.96371

>>67049
Nice LARP
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 No.96402

>>96371
What LARP you retarded faggot?
explain or die in irrelevancy.


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