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 No.1406161[Reply]

If imperialism is the primary contradiction, and it is possible for capitalist countries to not be imperialist (ex. Iran, Russia), then doesn't that make socialist revolution unnecessary to guarantee global peace and prosperity?
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 No.1406941

>>1406260
>>1406347
he was banned for
>Peace and prosperity can exist in a fascist ethnostate.
not the second half of the post. retard.
if he was banned for
<not being a multipolarist
then why aren't you banned yet?

 No.1406942

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>>1406494
> Lenins shitty add on theory of imperialism
spoken like a gardener

 No.1406945

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>>1406919
intersectionality: the highest stage of capitalism

 No.1407205

>>1406919
Sort of. There are certain contradictions which are more immediate than others, in the sense that it's impossible to resolve one without also resolving these immediate ones. Just as an example, it would be impossible to resolve the class question in the Middle East without also resolving the imperialist question. You couldn't build a socialist society without driving out US imperialism. However you could drive out US imperialism without building a socialist society. This means that in the Middle East, only the contradiction of imperialism can be addressed independently, the contradiction of class struggle can only be addressed concurrently with the contradiction of imperialism. I recognize this may be a heterodox description different from what you see in Mao or other writers, but I would consider imperialism the primary contradiction in that context insofar as no progress can be made without resolving it, either prior to or concurrently with other issues.

 No.1407284

>>1406941
>Peace and prosperity can exist in a fascist ethnostate.
But that is objectively true so why would he have been banned for that? Is Tel Aviv not full of people who's lifes are peaceful and prosperous?



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 No.1332129[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This thread is dedicated to our uyghur comrades assuring us the path to energy transition, as stated by the IEA
>The world will almost completely rely on China for the supply of key building blocks for solar panel production through 2025. Based on manufacturing capacity under construction, China’s share of global polysilicon, ingot and wafer production will soon reach almost 95%. Today, China’s Xinjiang province accounts for 40% global polysilicon manufacturing. Moreover, one out of every seven panels produced worldwide is manufactured by a single facility.
https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/d2ee601d-6b1a-4cd2-a0e8-db02dc64332c/SpecialReportonSolarPVGlobalSupplyChains.pdf

As for the news, Europe's current heatwave is described as 'the most extreme event ever seen in European climatology' by Climatologist Maximiliano Herrera (see picrel)
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/4/2145284/-Europe-s-heatwave-is-the-most-extreme-event-ever-seen-in-European-climatology

Recent IPCC reports on climate change:
<Physical Science Basis
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_FullReport_small.pdf
<Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability
https://report.ipcc.ch/ar6/wg2/IPCC_AR6_WGII_FullReport.pdf
<Mitigation of Climate Change
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg3/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGIII_FullReport.pdf
Synthesis report is coming in march.
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>>1372893
Florida is still around… -_-

 No.1407006

We're locked in for 2c

Latest IPCC report predicts 5 degrees at the highest end by 2100, with 2 degrees before 2050 if things continue as they are.

It's Over

 No.1407020

>>1332162
How are you today?

 No.1407023

>>1336153
>socialist infrastructure project
Keep dreamin

 No.1407099

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The summary of the report is out bunkersisters
https://www.ipcc.ch/ar6-syr/

I think we have a shot at being below 2°C actually, with renewables exponentially going upward. Nukes and hydrogen are already obsolete memes for mass electricity production, countries just need to stop investing in those paper tech and go full on batteries, solar panels and windmills faster than the market will make them. Then the main hurdle becomes about how to get the rich countries to massively investing in the global south in projects to mitigate the effects of climate changes that will happen whatever we do, ether it is desalination plants, fire fighting capability, drought and flood management etc etc there are trillions of dollars worth of things we need to do.



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 No.1405457[Reply]

>2008 crisis
>US government bails out "too big to fail" banks from tax payer money
>rest of the world feels the instability and suffers with the US's failure, due to interconnected markets
>China saves some countries (e.g. Brazil, India) by increasing imports from them

<2023 crisis

<the rest of the world bails out the US government & banks
<on the global scale this crisis will cause unprecedented destruction when finally shit hits the fan
<China literally saves the entire world economy (or more precisely, the parts of the world econ. not relying on it to the utmost yet)

AUKUS hegemony literally crumbling before our eyes, comrades. Please raise your red wines, and cheer with Xi Jinping!
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 No.1406094

Things have to get worse before they get better, but worse is a spooky time full of abject suffering

 No.1406262

>>1405614
i have, i still dont get why this is a habbening

 No.1406430

Good ending will be the dissolution of the brittish empire all over again. old old hegemon is up to it's ears in debt and up keeping the empire is unsustainable. Then the new hegemon comes in effectively cancels the debts and takes over.

 No.1406728

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>>1405464
unironically this

 No.1407017

>>1405457
>the rest of the world bails out the US government & banks

can I get a link to an article on this?



 No.1404174[Reply]

I watched the doc back in 2022, recently revisited it so see if it was as frustrating and weird as I remember. And well… because it won an Oscar and libs of EU & U.S. are praising it…

In January 25, 2022 premiering at Sundance Film Festival it won the Audience Award in US Documentary.
Also bloody CNN was involved in making of it.

People are so amazed by this doc. So surface-level hollywoody-invested writing stuff on a film like "The phone call scene is one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen." (Letterboxd's second top "review" of a film) and "At the very least, Daniel Roher’s “Navalny” hinges on one of the most remarkable moments I’ve ever seen in a documentary." (third top).

Also some people on Letterboxd call Navalny a 'revolutionary'…?! Like waht the acual fuck. What U.S. imperialist politics does to people's brain. Basically "he good, cause he's anti-Putin"… What disugusted me about this doc is that there's no sincere moment of pressing titular figure on his rethorics, white-supremacist-ish remarks, hinting at allying with nazis, russian alt-right to overthrow Putin… It's a fucking campaign video. Not a documentary. It's not an investigation or journalism. It's an unchallenging presentation "Navalny is a good guy! But we won't bring any of his bad sides or even put him to try answer them. NOW BE TOUCHED!" campaign spot stretched as 'DOC'. It's frustrating to me that people take THIS as "a good, better side". While they should see past the facade and demand better, demand humane people, demand self-critique, demand actual pro-democracy, pro-working class politicians…!

Let me know what you think about it comrades!
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>>1404447
>America no longer needs to coup a nation à la Pinochet or 30 September, it simply needs to put "an opposition figure," arm it with words, and "inspire" people to fight against "the axis of evil" (while in reality encouraging the government to adopt neoliberal economics and fail like the United States)

I mean the US has always used this as a strategy. Couping is a high level strategy that comes after other strategies don't work. The US has a series of things they try as they escalate with a nation they want to change. They move imperceptibly from soft coup to hard coup.

They don't always do things in this exact order, and often mix multiple strategies at once, but this is the "usual" escalation:

1. Have talks (encourage them to adopt your desired policies, against their own interests)

>good example of this would be the attempt to get the Soviets to privatize their economy and put themselves in greater debt to the USA under the Marshall Plan before the cold war "began"


2. Denounce (when they fail to take your "suggestions")

>how dare the hostile soviet union and her COMECON satellites not allow us to privatize them.


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 No.1405643

>>1404880
>meds and bbc
t. This person hadn't read Vltchek yet

 No.1405648

>>1404929
>Question: do we know he will be obedient to the West, if installed
It's going to be. See Suharto, Pinochet, the generals of Brazil, Marcos. The first sold Irian to Freeport and killing 2-3% of the population on the grounds of being "Communists" or "sympathizers" all while amassing wealth illegally through the means of corruption (Suharto is the No. 1 most corrupt leader btw), the second violently couped a 99% regime, the third also couped but it's Goulart instead of Allende, and the fourth literally installed martial law, aided the US in Vietnam (https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/91307/1/showing%20its%20flag_19836-Article%20Text-46661-1-10-20130711.pdf), and tried to kill the local leftist movement.
>The moment one gets control over the nukes, listening to others is kind of optional.
It's a complete must, or in this case, Navalny will do it voluntarily because he already is a Western psyop.
>If he's an actual fascist
Once you're backed by the West you'll automatically become a fascist.

 No.1405820

>>1404906
>Yea, i don't think that is the 'end goal', i think this is a schizophrenic world view
t. I haven't read any of Andre Vltchek's takes on Indonesia

 No.1406997

bump



 No.1399941[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Oh yes, we're going there. This man makes liberals seethe, makes Egyptologists and archeologists angry, and is absolutely and most definitely out to shake up this world and change things. He actually explicitly says he is against governments and that it is time to move to a different form of society where if there is a "government" it has a very limited role. He talks about unity, equality. He is often complaining about the profit motive, to me that sounds like communism to me, or some would say ACID COMMUNISM.

Why are liberal academics and the science establishment Egyptologists and archaeologists so against even considering his theories? Because it would totally shake up the liberal worldview of us being the peak of human achievement and the status quo being the best society we could possibly achieve. Not to mention that a lost civilisation gives credence to historical materialism. According to liberals, if we have learned these ideas and society organisation, it'd be impossible to forget it. But historical materialism says that the type of society that emerges is dependent on the mode of production, or rather the relationships in the modes of production. So if an advanced, lost civilisation existed, and we "unlearned" all those things, it makes sense in the context of HistMat, but not liberal ideology.

Furthermore, Hancock says that those from the lost civilisation who survived the cataclysm that happened around 12.500 years ago, went out to different parts of the world and taught the hunter gatherers they found agriculture, astronomy, engineering, math, etc. and had them produce large monuments using these techniques. Thus it wasn't just the ideas they transfered, but they transformed their societies from the ground up, focusing on construction and production of surplus through agriculture, allowing everything else to flourish.

PYRAMIDS were built by an ancient civilisation. There is no fucking way the fucking hunter gathers of the desert in Egypt built the pyramids, or any of the contemporary structures. It is much more likely ancient Egyptians found a lot of that stuff and tried to copy it. Why else would the construction get worse as the time goes on? There are a lot of amazing constructions around the World, and I simply do not believe that a by definition nomadic society, who spent all of its time looking for food (no agriculture) built the pyramids in Africa, C. and S. America, SE AsiaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1406778

>>1406767
>these "bad" words
Before someone jumps on this, bad is in quotes cause words cannot be bad or good, they can however be used to describe things we consider bad or good. By using bad in quotes I wanted to say the words don't refer, they don't accurately describe the theory, anon chose them cause they invoke negative connotations and therefore are "bad" words. Like calling someone a retard, without that person actually being one. It's how the thread started out lol, but they don't call it Godwin's law for nothing.

 No.1406798

it is a mystery to me why this thread didn't get moved to siberia.

 No.1406829

>>1406719
I think what makes the “muh orthodoxy” shit so fucking retarded is the fact that any archaeologist would fucking love to find a pyramid that’s provably 10,000 years old and then become famous like forever
Like holy shit a 10,000 year old pyramid would be a massive find, who would cover that up, and for what?
People like OP basically find dudes who are saying “wouldn’t it be cool if” who then cover for their lack of evidence by theorizing on conspiracies

 No.1406837

>>1406778
its really not like that. i even like hancock but his theory has always been tainted by
>esoteric Nazism, white supremacy, colonialism, white nationalism

its not now or and then its always been all of them

most history and archaeology has a lot of these kinds of assumptions embedded in them, even europeans being obsessed with greek philosophy is rooted in white supremacy like the idea that it was the founding of "western civilization". that is where these various obsessions with atlantis started

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 No.1406547[Reply]

Pakistan police arrest dozens of Imran Khan supporters
Former Prime Minister Imran Khan has asked the chief justice of Pakistan to allow him to appear for court proceedings virtually to reduce the risk of any threat to his life, he said in a video message on Monday, as his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party prepared for a rally in Lahore on Wednesday. Supporters of Khan's party, clashed with police in the city of Lahore last week as they attempted to arrest him at his home, and later with police in Islamabad as he arrived to appear before a court on Saturday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-police-arrest-dozens-supporters-former-pm-imran-khan-2023-03-20/

Indian officials cut internet for 27 million people amid search for fugitive
The Punjab government, led by the opposition Aam Admi Party, initially announced a 24-hour ban starting midday Saturday as its security forces launched a sprawling operation to arrest the fugitive Amritpal Singh, then extended the ban Sunday for another 24 hours. Singh, a 30-year-old preacher, has been a popular figure within a separatist movement that seeks to establish a sovereign state in Punjab called Khalistan for followers of the Sikh religion. He rocketed to nationwide notoriety in February after his supporters stormed a police station to free one of his jailed supporters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/19/india-punjab-intermet-ban-amritpal-singh/
https://archive.ph/T1ogx

Gender Wage gap: Women are Paid Much Less Than Men in Rural and Urban India, Shows NSO Survey
The report states that the market-determined wages for women performing similar work are considerably lower than those of men. Moreover, the gender wage gap has widened in rural areas over the past decade, although it has narrowed in towns, according to a Times of India news report.
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Tens of Thousands of LA Teachers to Strike in Solidarity With Support Workers
Demanding "respect and dignity" for tens of thousands of school support workers who help the Los Angeles Unified School District run, the union that represents 35,000 teachers in the city has called on its members to join a three-day strike starting Tuesday as school support staffers fight for a living wage.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/los-angeles-teachers-strike

Amazon to lay off 9,000 more workers in addition to earlier cuts
The latest round will primarily impact Amazon’s cloud computing, human resources, advertising and Twitch livestreaming businesses, Jassy said in the memo. Twitch CEO Dan Clancy said approximately 400 people would be let go as part of Amazon’s latest round of job cts
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/20/amazon-layoffs-company-to-cut-off-9000-more-workers.html

$9.25 million settlement announced in 2020 protest lawsuits
Officials said the money will be distributed among 343 plaintiffs in connection with police actions during the protests that erupted in west Philadelphia and along Interstate 676 in the city center that spring. In addition, a grant will provide $500,000 to $600,000 for mental health counseling for west Philadelphia residents.
https://apnews.com/article/racial-injustice-philadelphia-protests-settlement-996836b5aba946a327c5c3d0fa8c42ca

Biden Signs Republican Bill Blocking Changes to DC Criminal Code
President Joe Biden signed a measure blocking a new District of Columbia criminal code that eliminated nearly all mandatory minimum sentences, breaking with many Democrats on an issue that could sway the 2024 elections. … The Senate earlier this month voted 81-14 to pass the Republican-backed resolution undoing the DC law. Most Democrats joined Republicans in voting for the measure after Biden, who originally opposed it, suddenly changed his mind and said he would sign it.
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SVB collapse and the fragility of capitalism
The UK arm of SVB was bailed out by HSBC, who very generously paid £1 to purchase the entire bank. Other investors were also hoping to be able to step in and grab a bargain in the fire sale of SVB’s assets that would have taken place, had the Fed not stepped in. The executives of SVB, of course, took the opportunity to sell as much of their stock as they could early last week, in order to make sure that they weren’t caught out. Any of the fines that President Joe Biden has threatened to impose on them would, in all likelihood, be dwarfed by the money they have saved from these sales. Nonetheless, over the last week, anyone sitting with a large bank deposit anywhere in the world would have started to worry about the safety of their money. It is a serious blow to the trust in the banking sector, raising the risk of further bank crises. Multinational investment bank Credit Suisse has already wobbled in the wake of the SVB collapse. To calm nerves, earlier this week, the Swiss-based banking giant had to secure a £45 billion lifeline from the country’s central bank. And there are fears that further weakness in the global financial system will be revealed in the days and months ahead.
https://socialist.net/svb-collapse-and-the-fragility-of-capitalism/

In Case You Forgot: George W. Bush Is a Horrific War Criminal
Twenty years ago, the Bush administration claimed that Saddam Hussein, a brutal dictator, had “weapons of mass destruction” that justified an invasion not just to keep people in the United States, but the whole world, safe. They lied. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Bush administration officials misrepresented intelligence again and again to justify an unnecessary invasion. It was a decision that cost thousands of US service members and countless Iraqis their lives. Today George W. Bush is the target of a perverse rehabilitation campaign, rooted in the idea that his criticism of Donald Trump’s election lies makes him some kind of savior of our democracy. Yet Bush and Trump and more alike than not — two presidents who used their power to inflict horrible harm around the world, often in contravention of domestic and international laws, and who faced no meaningful repercussions for their actions. Their similarity Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Alfredo Cospito takes up the supplements. Friday the hearing for the house arrest
<The anarchist wants to be lucid when the Surveillance Tribunal decides on the request for deferment of sentence for serious health reasons

Cospito , the anarchist on hunger strike against the 41 bis for 5 months, would have resumed the administration of supplements in view of the hearing on Friday 24 March, the day on which before the Court of Surveillance of Milan will discuss the request made by the defense to defer the sentence , for health reasons, in the form of home detention at the sister's home. If the magistrates were to accept the request, the hard prison regime against which the anarchist has been fasting since last October 20 would in fact be revoked.

The FAI exponent wants to arrive at the lucid appointment and for this reason he has reintroduced the B complex and a complete multivitamin, and only today, should he take a drug that is used for damage to the peripheral neurological system. Supplements that he will suspend from this evening, health sources reported: from tomorrow unless he changes his mind, he will continue with fasting or again with water with sugar or salt.

Five months after the start of the hunger strike to protest against the 41bis, the conditions of Alfredo Cospito, hospitalized in the penitentiary medicine department of the San Paolo hospital in Milan, continue to cause concern. Last week, the consultant doctor who had examined the anarchist, told the lawyers that his "nutritional condition" was "worsening" and that he had expressed his concern about the "irreversible damage" due to the long period without taking food.

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Thanks News Anon



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 No.1400811[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_5rYApA5p_Ty0oqhyMCUywkNqNegscPNeodcgukcVDQ/edit#heading=h.21oxsmyvyk9p

tldr a trans girl got kidnapped, forced to detransition, and get shipped back to saudi arabia, by a bunch of powerful business men, including one who ran as a republican candidate.
this is a nightmare timeline that is only getting worse.(click link at own risk, your google account will be visible)
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 No.1405877

>>1405870
Holy hell and no one was talking about it.
Try not thinking of a large pink elephant. Try not breathing manually. Idiot

 No.1405878

>>1405860
>I don't hate trans people BUT
the /pol/ack reveals himself as simply as that

 No.1405924

>>1401283
>If you want to be a woman, that's fine, but why do you have to abandon your people at the same time?
I think this goes in the other direction, anon.

 No.1405926

>>1400881
der ewige banderite

 No.1406683

>>1405842
3 days was just the shortest idpol ban possible, for light offences - you have done much worse.



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 No.1402702[Reply]

Karl Marx cherished the Greek myth of Prometheus, who stole fire from the gods and gifted it to humans, enabling them to advance and build civilizations. However, Zeus punished Prometheus for his actions by chaining him to a rock. This story has symbolized humanity's progress or fall, depending on one's perspective. Marx and other radicals viewed Prometheus as a symbol of humanity's liberation from religious limitations and its pursuit of knowledge. They believed that socialism would release humanity from the constraints of capitalism and unlock human creativity.

In today's world, there is a debate within the Left about whether they should embrace the spirit of Prometheus to break free from societal limitations or remain skeptical about human progress and the potential for humanity to transform society. This skepticism stems from the negative consequences of colonialism, Nazism, and Stalinism, which led to a loss of faith in humanity.

Fifty years ago, the Apollo 11 moon landing represented a major Promethean achievement, demonstrating humanity's potential. Currently, tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos lead new space exploration efforts. Critics argue that these projects only benefit a wealthy elite, while others question the need for space exploration altogether.

The Left should advocate for the collective prosperity of humanity by arguing that the cosmos' resources be used for everyone's benefit. Space exploration can lead to new technologies that benefit all. There is no need to choose between improving life on Earth and exploring space, as both can coexist.

The Russian Cosmists believed humanity was destined to conquer the cosmos through innovation and technology. Space exploration should be seen as part of the socialist tradition of using science and reason for the masses' benefit. Humanity has the power to shape its destiny, and by embracing our Promethean potential, we can unlock our full potential as a species.

Today, people are more interconnected and possess greater technical abilities than ever before. The widespread belief that we must live within our means and abandon progressivism may be a dangerous denial of our potential. Both the right and left have their own forms of anti-Prometheanism, which often serves to reinforce existing power structures and demoralize the general public.

A new Prometheus doesn't have to be a powerful political party; it can be a collective effort thaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1403876

>>1403608
>Entire crew give a depressed interview that looks like it was taken under hostage conditions

Maybe because they just got back from a highly gruelling week long mission in a tiny box

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>>1403625
NASA didn't say it's "technologically impossible" to land on the moon. They merely admitted that NASA is underfunded and understaffed and therefore incapable of repeating the manned moon landing of 1969.

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>>1402702
Gpt post

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 No.1406647

Commie Zeon would be based



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 No.1403648[Reply]

We need to encourage a run on the banks to accelerate the collapse of the American economy. Go.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/nearly-200-banks-could-fail-the-same-way-svb-did-study/
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>>1404839
Rich people's "income" primarily comes in the form of capital gains. Which is taxed at significantly lower rates. That's assuming they even pay that and don't have an accountant that shows losses instead.

 No.1404850

>>1404846
Kinda, if you're a rich person you can make a 'personal service company' that provides labour (yours) to businesses, then you only have to pay corporation tax which is less than income tax (that's if you can't figure out a way to show most of your income as 'losses')

 No.1404881

>>1404819
You're right. I was wrong.

 No.1406211

Soon.

 No.1407943

>>1403683
t. Fed



 No.1405267[Reply]

>we’re tired of being subjugated by the soviets
>proceed to overthrow Soviets only to become the Mexicans of Europe
Why are poles like this? How do they always seem to be in their worst interest? Was it really communism that fucked them up or was it blatant Russophobia. Every other Eastern European country regrets the USSR falling except for them and Ukraine (for obvious reasons), yet they’re happy to be paraded as the bitch of the EU and are more than glad to be used as NATO’s foot soldiers. It’s pathetic.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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I wanna do smol interjection here. First of all state of Poland after bureaucratic capitalists took over both in USSR and PRL was something akin to this

From the Eastern Bloc side (pic has prices of raw materials sold for Comecon members and western imperialist members)
1) PRL goes into debt in transfer rubles to buy raw materials at inflated "prices" (which is well documented, you can refer to Vom Sozialismus zum bürokratischen Kapitalismus by KABD)
2) to clear the debt, the PRL creates means of production for the USSR
From the side of the Western bloc
1) We export goods to the west to have German Marks
2) We import goods from the west to have the development of the productive forces
3) Gierek makes lavish loans, which like 2) are used to develop the productive forces
4) PRL are drowning in debt
To make it brief, Gierek makes loans from the West, because if he didn't make them, those productive forces that we produce "ourselves" go to the soviets.
So, assuming the Revisionists are not stupid, then:
- they leave us enough capital so that our capital can reproduce itself
- they take away part of the surplus that is needed to allow further expansion
- Gierek candy borrows from the West to accelerate economic growth
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 No.1406197

>>1405267
>>we’re tired of being subjugated by the soviets
>>proceed to overthrow Soviets only to become the Mexicans of Europe
Are you retarded? What even are these assumptions? You clearly don't have a basic understanding of the historical events and you don't deserve to be educated on it either. I swear some Westerners should stop talking about the Eastern bloc because clearly most of them didn't even read Wikipedia, let alone Marx. This is a post I'd expect to see on 4chan.

 No.1406206

>>1406197
cont. But in case anyone wants to know, USSR did not subjugate anyone post-Stalin as they were kicked out of most EE countries. Romania was - for instance - openly criticising USSR and was the ally of China in Europe. The Eastern bloc felt because they failed to retechnologize their industry in the '80s, then corruption kicked in and perverted the logic of the chain of products leading to scarcity, rationalization, lines etc.

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Five: one to hold the bulb, and four to turn the ladder.



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