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As time goes on and the tasks of the industry undergo automatization, most jobs are left to the part-time workers. Hasn't anyone else noticed this trend? We call them petite-bourgeoisie and yes variably but mostly tend to be since the nature of their work is not collectivist and is akin to the statuses of small business owners (individual entrepreneurs), shopkeepers (of small businesses), small-scale merchants (without a proper shop), semi-autonomous peasants (now just semi-autonomous poor entrepreneurs), and artisans. I feel that class relations have changed and nobody has bothered to do a concise analysis of it, instead clinging to the same labels, looking back and trying to reapply or justify the changed situation with outdated concepts. For example the "peasantry" Marx described is not the same as the poor jobless homeless, they were literally farmers with limited land-ownership and yet I see people calling hobos and the general poor as peasants. I am lead to believe the term proletariat barely applies anymore, the industrial proletariat is being scaled down and once society no longer relies on its labor then nothing makes it a revolutionary subject since it cannot bring about change through strikes or anything - it will just disappear once its no longer needed anywhere. My thesis is that the majority of the current workers are in the sphere of services and that the revolutionary subject may be IT workers, programmers, generally technicians and scientists which can understand the machinery and affect it. Machinery has already enveloped most of society, so any change that comes upon it will affect it and whoever can affect it can take control of the social order.
Most workers don't work a single job anymore, they do part-time jobs here and there to live by. In the historical situation for which Marx was writing, workers generally lived and died the same profession they took up.

And yes we've had this thread before, though there is a different response each time so I'm trying it against to see what comes out as a response. I present it in a different way and with a different flag that may or may not even be related.
My current thesis is that the movement of the declassed (as Bukharin labeled it) might have the upper hand with the growth of capitalism, the contradictions within the capitalist mode of production do lead to a sort of decomposition, but generally don't appear to be able to lead to collapse on their own unless it brings abouPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2408379
you wont find this in the tomes because nobody foresaw ai. But just like ai can be powerful at the hands of the wealthy it can also be powerful at the hands of the underclass. Then it hecomes a matter of who owns the resources. Something like that a little more thinking outside the box…

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They are not a revolutionary class in America anymore because there is no industry

Were they ever? The "AES" revolutions were mostly peasants.

>>2398551
Feel like different people here are having starkly different understandings of what a "proletarian" is.

>>2433985
"no industry" is an exaggeration. there's way less industry. there is still of course war industry so in that sense the proletariat working in these industries are class traitors because they're not only labor aristocrats but also assisting imperialism.



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Why don't they like just chill the fuck out and enjoy the peace and co-prosperity with China?
They can LARP as buddhists and have zen meditation and tea and mountains all day instead of just making another bourgeois republic found on bloodshed for their feudal piss poor people's hobo squat?

I mean such a wonderful bourgeois monarchy, it would be pointless to ruin it all for another piss poor peasant's bourgeois regime, they should be fighting for drug rights instead so that they can smoke the weed and look at the mountains and the Buddhist temples and symbols and go ommmmmmmmmmmm and drink goat milk instead of like just doing all this rebel larping and messing things up. Like even if they put their own poopoo fake communist turd worldist regime China would obliterate their peasant underdeveloped primitive asses lol.
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>>2433007
>plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics
And it better downgrade the Jewish SSR into a Jewish ASSR inside of the Arab SFSR as well King Lear

>>2432837
>Why don’t they
For starters the CPC doesn’t ally with communists, only liberals and fascists
Secondly, because they want communism, not favorable fucking trade policy

>>2432837
> Why don't they like just chill the fuck out and enjoy the peace and co-prosperity with China?
They can LARP as buddhists and have zen meditation and tea and mountains all day instead of just making another bourgeois republic found on bloodshed for their feudal piss poor people's hobo squat?

> I mean such a wonderful bourgeois monarchy, it would be pointless to ruin it all for another piss poor peasant's bourgeois regime, they should be fighting for drug rights instead so that they can smoke the weed and look at the mountains and the Buddhist temples and symbols and go


Nice job op, you quickly summed up how dengoids.like yourself are revisionist, anti-revolutionary and fundamentally pro-bourgeois

>>2432860
You forgot Saudi Arabia, bud.



 

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>>2433780
Most of the anglosphere and europe aint doing shit. Americans aren’t unique

>>2433811
Read the next post

>>2433766
>What‘s with all that 2nd amendment talk and fighting against tyrannical governments?
Those like Trump

>>2433736
yes, it's kinda an easter egg in the second films opening and otherwise not mentioned but its legitimate

>>2433731
retarded country



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Monarchist group associated with "Tsarebozhnie" creates an anti-Lenin documentary, calls for burial of Lenin in Russia (picrel)

What are they doing? And in the middle of SMO like that? Are they hoping that the west will destabilise the country and cause a civil war so they are preparing their proponents to attempt a takeover?
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>>2392835
Why are you even here if you can't trust a socialist country

>this thread
You all laughed at me when I said they'd go for Lenin's corpse.
restore my flag, btw

>>2395208
So what now?

They won't do it because it's a tourist attraction and pilgrimage site for labour aristocrat lefties

>>2394642
do you think chinese people are just hive minded bugmen ?



 

The grim, bitter irony of being a reactionary white guy, voting for the reactionary political party on the basis that they will bring back muh jobs and restore white America, only to have them outsource shit to south asia and continue hiring undocumented mestizos for blue-collar jobs.

Obviously non-white workers are scapegoats and are hyper-exploited, but still. Its like if you voted for the NSDAP and then they imported 10 million black and brown laborers to work in German factories and service industries.

I ALMOST feel sorry for the chuds tbh.
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>>2409026
>Its like if you voted for the NSDAP and then they imported 10 million black and brown laborers to work in German factories and service industries.
I mean that’s pretty much what the NSDAP did tho, except they also threw you into the military to die invading all of Europe and the subhuman mongrel foreigners being imported to take yer job back home are other europeans

>>2409110
That's like hip-hop but Mexican polka music is basically Austrian polka in Spanish. Also their beer is German and they had an Austrian emperor in the 1860s. (He was executed by firing squad though.)

See. Same thing pretty much. Also the president of Mexico is named Sheinbaum. Really Spanish, that is!

>>2409026
>Its like if you voted for the NSDAP and then they imported 10 million black and brown laborers to work in German factories and service industries.
Funnily enough that's what the nazis were planning to do had they won the war. Even in their perfect society the normie whites still gets fucked over.

>>2409075
I always thought thats why anti indian shit is less policed online than anti hispanic shit since they compete with middle class techies for jobs instead of blue collar tradies.



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>crushed philosophy
>undermined diamat and dialectics
>replaced materialism with naturalism
>wrecked anti-class theories
>tore down humanism
>flattened leftoid ideology
>scrapped subjective/objective truth
>abolished teleology and determinism
>destroyed critical theories
Nothing personnel, kid.

literary who

>>2373404
explain

>>2373404
>nooo i can't use lefty b over at /siberia/ i have to make /leftypol/ lefty b!!!!11
Why are you faggots like this?

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>some scandinordican academic with a name like Hurgen Durgen Dingen
send him to the fields

>>2373404
Nothing good has come from the academy since the 20th century



 

Human trafficking is not a conspiracy. And that's basically what Epstein was doing. Yet it is assigned "special significance", why? Why is human trafficking only in people's minds when Epstein does it? That's exactly the problem. We can prosecute those involved in the Epstein case all we want, it will not make human trafficking disappear, so long as capitalism exists. But people will act as if the problem has been "solved" and go back to not paying attention to the social ill at large.

Reading about anthropological studies of religion, I cannot help but think to myself how bafflingly retarded "Illuminati demon magic" type conspiracies are. Religion, that is human organization, CANNOT be a secret conspiracy, fundamentally, there is ALWAYS some part that is "public-facing". Even if it's just simply public knowledge of the existence of the "brotherhood". And for occultism in particular, if people like Aleister Crowley had knowledge of "magic", they sure as hell weren't good at hiding it, considering they've literally written books for the public about it. It is doubly retarded when you realize many people believing in the "Illuminati demon magic" horseshit consider themselves Christians, which is theologically INCOMPATIBLE with the existence of such things. And furthermore the Catholic Church has historically been very aggressive in dealing with heresy (literally murdering groups for alleged heresy), so it would be very funny and totally believable that suddenly a new heresy springs out of vacuum, and the Pope is like "yeah that's cool I'm going to say absolutely nothing about it".

I swear, the fuel for the rightoid misdirection has to end.
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>>2433767
>muh lumpen
Wrong.
First thing first, you are using lumpen as a placeholder for the n-word - our dark-skinned brothers and sisters - or maybe Paki - if you are the anon infesting the Bri'ish thread.
Second, nowadays many criminals are not in a social and economic status lower than of those that only have their work as a source of income, but they are indeed above them, and therefore fully capitalist in and of themselves. It's just that those pesky laws made their core business illegal, but in truth they now represent an ever growing percentage of the overall economy, especially after previously industrialised countries have deindustrialised and neoliberalised in earnest.
There are of course "soldiers" and "muscles" coming from the lowest of the lower orders of society, but they really are the last and most expendable individuals in the criminal system.

>>2433788
>lumpen = minority
self-report

>>2433773
The workers didn't get what they was originally entitled to, but the government was pressured and compelled to at least disburse that money. Btw, what's further comical is that a conservative government had to do that and Mrs Thatcher had been out of office just for a year or two at that point. A private system completely exposed to the mercuriality of the markets - and the criminality of those managing the money - resulted in a spectacular failure when everyone was preaching that neoliberalism had won and you couldn't get back even a slice of the old post-war consensus welfare state.

>>2433789
I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying he seems fixated with "lumpen" while he doesn't actually mean lumpen.

>>2433805
you are the only one denoting "lumpen" as "racial minority". thats the point here.

>>2433788
I am not even going to respond fully to this extremely dismissive and low effort post but yeah the racism angle is basically a huge self-report like the other Anon said. I explicitly explained and expanded on Marx' correct and early analysis on how organized crime illegalism are an integral part of the capitalist system and not just byproducts, from the very beginning. I am not going to read your sloppy just-so story and that is basically just vastly inferior slightly incorrect version of my academic analysis.



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They have basically purged this video from the internet, but we know it still exists because of news sites, it was published internationally. Its Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri hiking in the mountains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_and_audio_recordings_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri

It was all anyone talked about in fall 2003. EXPUNGED from the internet.

Anyone have it?

>It was all anyone talked about in fall 2003. EXPUNGED from the internet.
We can't have TikTok users finding out about resistance to Zionist finance imperialism

>>2405478
Aljazeera has the raw tape in their archives. This video was stored on VHS and hand delivered by courier to the news network. Aljazeera only broadcast the parts which they considered newsworthy so what you see on the news broadcasts is all that was released to the public. Other channels played the Aljazeera broadcast footage which you can see here:
https://youtu.be/DAMyjV0Aw4w?si=GAgyUq1yNvZM9H6-&t=14

The full tape has never been seen by the public and probably won't unless AJ or Al-Qaeda's media arm releases the full tape.



 

Why if most people in Europe and the US like LGBTQ+ people and don't want to turn woman into baby making machines, why is "working with what we have" used as a excuse to accept rightoid ideas? Even in Iran most people are against the pedophile theocrats legalizing child rape but communists there should accept those islamist (not muslim) ideals?

>>2433369
Why? Who cares?
Why are you attempting to waste anyone's time with such low effort dog shit OPs? Is it a fetishism? A trolling thing? Or what?

>>2433369
>communists there should accept those islamist (not muslim) ideals?
This idea of multipolarism is just a more modern version of class collaboration for the benefit of 3rd world porkies and less for 3rd world working classes.

>>2433369
>if most people in Europe and the US like LGBTQ+ people and don't want to turn woman into baby making machines, why is "working with what we have" used as a excuse to accept rightoid ideas?
Because people using phrases like "working with what we have" or "meeting people where they're at" to justify promoting or not combating right-wing positions never genuinely cared about where the working class is actually at. They are right-opportunists (revisionists) there to peddle conservatism and fascism as "left" or even "revolutionary", and to justify it lie through their teeth about some ephemeral "silent majority" that actually agrees with everything they say but are somehow too scared of Queers and women to speak openly. It's the political equivalent of a high schooler claiming to have a girlfriend who lives in another city.

>>2433527
>just a more modern version of class collaboration
I wouldn't even call it "more modern". "Multipolarism" is essentially the same shit the Kautskyite revisionists in the Second International were using to justify taking sides in the First World War. The only difference is that now these revisionists have been forced to adopt pseudo-Marxist-Leninist language, as the historic debate on the nature of imperialism has long been settled. But the opportunist horseshit around "the masses really support X over Communist positions, therefore Communists should compromise their positions to adopt X" is identical.
>The people support the wars of bourgeois states, therefore we must support the war.
>The war weakens the dominant imperialist states, therefore the war has some proletarian character.
>The people support the nation-state, therefore we must defend it.
>The people support the bourgeois colonial project, therefore we must look at the good and bad of colonies.
>The people support Chinese exclusion because they take their jobs, therefore we must support exclusion.
>The people view Blacks as strike breakers, we must uphold segregation/apartheid.
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>>2433369
wut?

back in the day the bait used to make sense



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I found this page on Marxist Archive:

https://www.marxists.org/subject/left-wing/gik/1930/index.htm

It's about how a genuine (according to the authors) communist economy would work in practice. So I created this thread in hope of some high I.Q anon could give their opinions and views about this communist economy project, is it bad? good? realistic?
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>>2432342
>we don't know exactly how the revolution will play out so you better fucking not do any work to prepare for what to do
>revolution happens
>"now what?"

>>2432342
>you can't have ideas of how thing should play out! that utopian!!!!!!

SO thing should magically happen? that it?

bumping for more point of views from the anons

Neat

>>2432777
So… the idea of a commie economy by the LeftCom is LE GOOD or LE BAD?



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