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Let's stop ignoring the elephant in the room.
The most important question is THE violence question.
How do we prevent or beat counter-revolutionary state violence? We all know the only reason revolutions fail is because of state violence and terrorism. The state will not only kill you, but also brutally torture you and your family to destroy the movement.

Let's be realistic, we can't militarily beat 60.000 death squads, eh sorry "special forces". Guerrilla warfare is useless too. They will kill the population that supports you and it's too exhausting for the fighters living in the jungle.
Only way we can win is through the political arena while at the same time preventing reactionary violence. This is the question that must be answered.
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>>2698958

Dont listen to this guy he is a drug addeled gang member who belongs to a camp whos agenda aims to destroy the truest form of socialism he will lead you to destruction and hatred. No different than a neo nazi.

>>2701305

factssss wasnt he also outted as a dea informant?? theyre probably paying him to get people to tote the decentralized resistance line with the goal of leading the left off a cliff. fafo

>>2698958


what exactly does a bunch of people fighting cops do to bring a kids life back.. or make life better for working classes? nothing its just criminality. my god ultra left people need to get a lobotomy. if they try anything like that in america again the rational leftists need to lay the smack down on them and kick them out of protests and the entire ice thing. Please jucheposter, seek mental help you dont seem well.

>>2700283
This. The bourgeoisie should be shot summarily of course, but perhaps their soon-to-be counter-revolutionary children, rather than being shot alongside to no benefit for society, could be provided to experimentation institutions.

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I'm prototyping a new website idea for cataloging solid debunks of common capitalist talking points. Please give some feedback on the layout before I start filling it with proper content (these are just placeholder examples).

>minimalist design, resources and similar claims are easy to find

>what other information would be useful for resources to show?
>should the related claims section be placed above the resources?
>are these introductions too long?
>other suggestions?
The alternative phrasings section is to help search discovery.
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>>2715688
>Divs are fine as long as you're literally using them as divisions though, just there is a common habit to just use them for everything with CSS classes, so I'm mentioning it.
Mozilla docs linked to https://inclusive-components.design/cards/ , which suggests the Resources boxes can be interpreted as a list of elements, which sounds reasonable to me. Unfortunately MediaWiki is failing to properly render them properly as <ul> due to the <ul> inside the summary, so I can either workaround by abusing an <ol> for unordered cards, or just keep them as <div> cards

>>2714253
I don't want to discourage anyone who isn't a completely lazy fuck like me, but who is the audience for the site? I suggest that, realistically speaking, the only audience you can expect is an audience of fellow debate-bro leftists. So you'd be honing their debate points maybe. Okay, fine. The ultimate problem is that being a debate-bro doesn't have the pull it used to. The overwhelming majority of people who'd be the easiest converts to leftism would still rather spend their time Netflixing or searching on dating apps for new pussy/cock to bang than spend their time pondering anti-capitalist talking points.

>>2721295
It's an important question to ask.
I would expand this and say it's intended audience is mainly public-facing socialist online communities (incl. /leftypol/, some lemmy/reddit comms) who receive a lot of liberal posts and can collectively save time with quick convenience copypasta. Basically an attempt to build a better alternative to curt RTFMposting - because many people will not RTFM, and many online-leftists don't know which Ms are best to send over anyway.
It's also for the debate-bros and redpill dealers in comment sections. The bottom line is that if someone is reading the kind of comment sections where these arguments appear, they're not Netflixing nor chilling. And if most times they see some shitpost talking point, they see it refuted in a quick video with a link to extended reading, I reckon that would at least plant a seed of doubt that hopefully primes them to be more open if-and-when their sex-buddy cries "Marx!" mid-orgasm.

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>>2715636
Too modern?

>>2725104
That's a worse layout



 

Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.

The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.
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>>2695588
> this was not a political battle, but rather a claim of personal freedom by exile.
the third servile war was absolutely a political battle. deploying the military to crush a slave revolt and then crucify the survivors along the appian way is absolutely political

similar topic >>2728765

>>2686845
This is all true, but there are certain definite material changes we can fight for to help speedup the advance out of wage slavery most of them being listed in the manifesto.

>>2697831
Paul ererctionejection right as usual

>>2694327
>but it also distorts the marxian historicity of the "wage labourer" as the new subject (who in fact is very old in the history of man).
wage labor is old, but wage labor as the primary form of labor in a mode of production is new. for most of history, wage laborers were a minority in any society which instead had an enslaved or enserfed majority



 

Instead of abolishing the petty bourgeoisie, the petty bourgeoisie will simply be (knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, it does not matter) brought into the fold of monopoly capital, the same way peripheral nations were brought into the fold of imperialism. The total horizontal and vertical integration of capital is not complete, but I will give you a simple anecdote illustrating my point. I had a coworker ask ChatGPT what I thought was a naive question. He asked ChatGPT a question about the small business we worked out, and it knew way more than we possibly expected. It had hyper specialized knowledge on our practices and our ways of doing things. It wasn't necessarily doxxing workers, but it was creepy how much it knew. In the 20th century companies did everything they could to prevent "corporate espionage" and "intellectual property theft" but with LLMs that very process has essentially become legalized because it is useful to everyone. And the workers willingly participate in it. They paste their own company's source code into a monopoly's LLM just to speed up a bug fix. Well where does that lead? And btw I don't work at a software company. Chat GPT was answering questions about arcane manual labor procedures at my company… how did it know? Someone must have willingly given it that knowledge at some point to abridge some labor process for themselves. If all this development and accumulation is shattered due to climate change in WW3 where will that leave us? I have no idea. We are cursed to live in interesting times. And the tech becomes more sophisticated and self governing as the people themselves become more ignorant and less technically skilled… it is as if Arthur Clarke's rule about technology and magic is proving itself true not just through the sophistication of the tech itself, but through the dumbing down and hyper-narrowly-focused-specialization of the very people who are building it.
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>>2737168
if you actually read books instead of imageboard posts youd know that shit just fluctuates all the time. hell, when capitalism was still in diapers during marx's time the (correct) prediction at the time was that the middle classes would grow (malthus, marx, etc). whats next, the next big crisis is gonna destroy capitalism this time for sure instead of capital just regaining its strength eventually if nothing is done?

>>2737171
>why even bump the thread if you don't like it
sage is so irrelevant on a dead forum and the thread was already at the top moron

>>2737148
>this is such a fucking retarded concept and completely impossible without abolishing class society altogether
Are there any real world examples of this happening.

>>2737148
>oh wait
>i forgot midwits here think petit bourgeois is just like small business owners or something (and even then…).
Who do you belive they are then?

>>2737196
Blue haired bisexuals with septum piercing.

>>2737189
>the (correct) prediction at the time was that the middle classes would grow (malthus, marx, etc)
sounds like the middle classes will take over when the mode of production dies just like happened with slavery and feudalism. see >>2686845



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Let us start off by saying, dialectical materialism is not a collection of quotations to be deployed like talismans. It is a method for grasping reality in its constant motion, its internal contradictions, its tendency to transform into its opposite. As Engels put it, dialectics is "the science of the general laws of motion and development of nature, human society, and thought." To think dialectically is to understand that every social form contains the seeds of its own negation, that what works in one epoch becomes fetter in the next, and that clinging to organizational templates perfected under dead conditions is not fidelity to Marxism, it is its opposite.

The central insight of historical materialism is that the mode of production conditions social life in its totality. But western production today is no longer confined to factories and fields alone, labor is more precarious, and the relation to commodity is often more apparent than the relation to production. On top of this, the state's in the west now produce surveillance at an industrial, high-tech private-public allegiance scale. The security apparatus employs more people than the entire automobile industry. If the forces of production and state repression have transformed, so too must the forces of revolutionary organization. This is not deviation it is proper materialism applied to pre revolutionary conditions.

Consider the actual conditions facing revolutionaries in the contemporary United States. The intelligence state operates with a budget exceeding seventy-five billion dollars and employs over two hundred thousand personnel across sixteen agencies, and this doesn't include all the private state-aligned actors and organizations. The post-9/11 era has dissolved the boundary between foreign and domestic surveillance, integrated private technology firms as deputized intelligence collectors, and normalized warrantless monitoring as administrative routine. COINTELPRO was not an aberration; it was a pilot program for something much larger, written up by the CIA.

The Tsarist Okhrona employed perhaps ten thousand people. The Stasi, at its peak, maintained one hundred thousand informants for a population of seventeen million. That's just to reference scale. The NSA collects metadata on every American. RICO act makes formal groups especially prone to heavy federal repression, if even one individual slips up, a RICO can be brought against leadership. The material conditions hPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2735280

This is a critique on the uselessness of most modern leftist "parties" and "orgs" in the USA, and the material reasoning for it, not a discussion on any successful revolution that have already occurred in the past.

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This is not a description of the revolutionary period. This all relates to the pre-revolutionary period, the long stretch of capitalist "normalcy" which is characterized by what Gramsci called "war of position". The slow, patient construction of counter-hegemonic institutions, the building of class consciousness, the creation of networks of trust and solidarity that can withstand state pressure. In this phase, the working class is not yet in motion as a class-for-itself. The revolutionary organization exists as a minority, a vanguard in the literal sense, an advanced detachment operating ahead of the main force.

Under these conditions, the evidence from state security forces is unambiguous, decentralized, distributed organization offers greater resilience. The FBI could devastate the CPUSA because it was visibly centralized, and unfortunately this has an impact on the function of the organizations whole. The Spanish security forces engaged in "questionable infiltration" of radical movements because they were diffuse. The Italian DIGOS had to mobilize resources across multiple provinces to track a handful of Telegram chats. The Greek state turned to Predator spyware because traditional human intelligence could not penetrate distributed networks. The British prosecutions and preemptive raids decreased in efficiency when the IRA adopted a distributed / decentralized model.

This is not anarchism. It is adaptation to material conditions. The pre-revolutionary period requires organizations that can survive long enough to do the work of consciousness-building. A party that is rolled up by the FBI in five years cannot build anything. A network that sheds nodes and regenerates can continue organizing for decades.

Marx himself, in The Eighteenth Brumaire, described how the French peasantry existed as a class "in itself" but not "for itself" because they were "formed by simple addition of homologous magnitudes, much as potatoes in a sack form a sack of potatoes." The task of the pre-revolutionary period is to transform that sack of potatoes into a conscious political force. This work does not require a central committee issuing orders to millions. It requires patient, distributed, trust-based organizing across workplaces, neighborhoods, and communities. Hidden in plain sight, visible when the action and results become apparePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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The decentralized organizational model, while offering resilience against infiltration, contains distinct material vulnerabilities that state security forces have consistently exploited across North America and Southern Europe. In the United States, the 2023 FBI seizure of Kolektiva.social's (anti-capitalist / anti-colonial communication network) servers revealed how digital decentralization distributes security responsibility to individual administrators who may lack capacity to resist state operation or pressure, in this case resulting in the exposure of over 8,000 users' personal data including emails, IP addresses, and unencrypted direct messages . Canada's Coastal GasLink campaign demonstrated both the model's strengths and weaknesses, the February 2022 attack involving 15-20 camouflaged individuals who caused $20 million in damage in under an hour, remains unsolved with no suspects identified years later, yet the decentralized structure's flaws allowed the state to politically isolate the movement by framing the attackers as "outside agitators" unconnected to legitimate Indigenous resistance . Their highly orchestrated and planned entry and escape seeming to appear out of nowhere, with no apparent organizational ties only helped fuel the cointelpro style rumor conspiracies of "paid actors used to denounce the movement".

The academic literature on leaderless resistance confirms that while distributed networks provide "a high degree of operational security" in theory, in practice isolated actors struggle with poor tradecraft in multiple dimensions, and when seeking assistance they can often be manipulated into the idea of more "spectacular actions" in sting operations. There is not some inherent perfection to this organizing and struggle method, but they exist for a reason, under very specific modern conditions and we as Marxists must vigorously think on how we can successfully build on these realities?

>>The Dialectics of Pre-Revolutionary Form


The evidence from state security forces across North America and Southern Europe confirms what dialectical materialism would predict with ease, organizational form is not a matter of ideological preference but of strategic adaptation to material conditions. The centralized party model that served the Bolsheviks under Tsarist autocracy became, under the very different conditions of post-9/11 surveillance capitalism, a gift to state intelligence agencPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>Counter repression

For every state tactic, a counter-tactic should immediately emerge from the broader struggle itself. The media-driven isolation that the state deploys against decentralized movements, framing militants as "outside agitators," "hooded anarchists," or "violent extremists" finds its negation in the presence of conscious, formally visible figures who share the movement's general principles and can articulate its meaning to a broader public. These individuals are media figures, not formal leaders, and yes, they can vary and rotate, and be replaced ideally, though they ought to be defended with ferocity so long as they serve their role.

A tiny example of this in function would be the Charlottesville counter-demonstrations of August 2017. When neo-Nazis and other reactionaries descended on the city, the antifascist marxist and anarchist formations that confronted them became immediate targets of media framing as violent instigators equally as responsible for the young IWW members death. But Cornel West, the Harvard and Princeton philosopher who had placed his body on the line behind them, understood exactly what the corporate media was attempting. When interviewers sought to extract condemnations of the "hooded anarchists and ultras," West refused the bait. Instead, he turned the frame inside out.

In the aftermath of the violence that claimed the life of Heather Heyer, West told Democracy Now again, doubling down, "The antifascists, and then, crucial, the anarchists, because they saved our lives, actually. We would have been completely crushed, and I'll never forget that. Meaning what? Meaning that you had the police holding back, on the one hand, so we couldn't even get arrested. We were there to get arrested. We couldn't get arrested, because the police had pulled back, and just allowing fellow citizens to go at each other" .

West did not distance himself from the masked militants. He did not perform the ritual of condemnation that the media demanded. Instead, he named them as protectors, as warriors using their energy in the service of liberation, as the reason he and others survived the reactionary onslaught. "If not for them," his intervention suggested, "we'd have been beaten to a pulp."

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>Lenin would understand this
KEEP MY WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MOUTH



 

Hamas (Al-Qassam/Gaza Strip, Al-Quds/West Bank), Hezbollah, Iran, ISIS, Türkiye, Sudan, Pakistan, Qatar, North Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria and Iraq are all furious at the US and/or Israel and the power dynamic is beginning to shift in favor of the East ever since October 7 and this 2026 war in Iran. All the while oil prices are skyrocketing to 2008 levels (which the 2008 financial crash was caused by the same thing - taxation and sanctions on Iranian imports). Iran refuses a ceasefire deal, a prolonged attritional conflict would favor Iran, Iran took some heavy hits in leadership but survived it and now the west is in trouble. Mojtaba Khamenei is the new ayatollah and the only remaining member of Khamenei's bloodline. He was wounded by survived. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad survived an assassination attempt but his bodyguards were killed instead. Hezbollah killed 2 IDF soldiers in an ATGM attack after they were lifting an already damaged Merkava (which have suffered heavy losses in the Gaza war), now food scarcity worldwide is gonna skyrocket due to increased supply chain blackmail from Iran, 6 US soldiers were killed at a training post in Kuwait on March 1st in a Shahed drone strike, a $1 billion interceptor radar was destroyed, making US radar and communications in the region go dark, this war is costing America $1 billion a day, over a trillion or tens of billions at least already, Congress is now asking the government for more funds on defense spending even after the One Big Beautiful Bill Act was passed last year, which added $150 billion to the annual military spemding budget, Iran is using terrorism in Western countries (like that Austin, Texas nightclub shooting from that Senegalese immigrant Ndiago Diagne, a shooting at a JROTC base at a university in Virginia where an ISIS recruiter killed one, wounded two others, and now a Lebanese man who plowed his car into a Detroit synagogue and started firing - whose daughters were killed in an air strike by Israel in Lebanon). The whole world is getting fed up with the Jews again for the first time since WW2. We are starting to see that Hitler was right, even the communists who many Nazis defected to after the war. What are leftypol's thoughts on the collapse of a country who hasn't seen an economic surplus since 9/11 bat for a country whose last economic surplus was 20 years after that?

tldr

>>2737064
>Türkiye
stopped reading



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"My name is Malik Farrad Muhammad. I’m a black/Palestinian pansexual Muslim (yes, hella confusing). I’m an anarchist, antifascist, anti-racist abolitionist (yes, both cops and prisons) for my love of freedom! My first protest was in high school, a walkout staged after Treyvon Martin’s murder. From there, I never really got active again until “Bernie or Bust” and then, of course, the George Floyd uprising. I traveled the country and organized and fought and was ultimately kidnapped, ransomed and now held prisoner here at OSP.

I have a beautiful son, a beautiful wife and life partner, Jesse, who moved out here to Portland after my kidnapping by the feds, and a loving family back home in the Midwest. I’m also a veteran, I was a tanker in the army and no, I’m not proud that I was part of the murder machine, so don’t thank me for my service. I love music more than anything almost, am a guitarist and aspiring pianist, all genres. Not much else to say except that I’m a lover of freedom, equity and equality, and will fight to my last breath for it. Unlike those who may regret a thing they did to get convicted or those who tempered their actions for fear of the consequences, I regret nothing, if only not doing more before I was caught. I will live for the people and I’ll die for the people because I love the people, we who want freedom cannot rest till it comes.”


>>Write Malik at


Malik Muhammed #23935744
Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution
2500 Westgate
Pendleton, OR 97801


>>You can find instructions for sending mail to Oregon prisons at


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On April 5th, 2021 Malik was arrested in Indiana, and then extradited to Oregon. They were given a $2.1 million bail. Through great struggle, the required 10% of it was met by the Portland Freedom Fund, but revoked the next day. Within 24 hours of their release, Malik was rearrested by federal officers. They were then imprisoned in Multnomah County where they were held in solitary confinement for around 90 days.

On July 29th Malik was moved, pretrial, to the state’s only federal prison, FCI Sheridan. At Sheridan, They participated in a hunger strike that successfully increased prisoners free-time from 30 minutes every other day to four hours per day everyday, and one day per week outside for recreation. In 2022, they were sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Malik really enjoys support, and genuine friendship and dialogue through writing from any and all leftist-tendencies. When you are locked up, it is easy to feel as if the world or movement has forgotten about you and your sacrifices, and a simple act of basic communication and friendship can go a long way for the amount of effort it takes. You can do this as a NEET.



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>>2734183

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>>2736589
I posted that vid earlier today, you have quickly ascended the ranks of the namefags here Sinbad, outshining even great comrade chagos poster

>>2736595
Thanks fren, yes I posted the video here because it was correct.
Can you post it in the next thread? I need people to remember the trvth.

>>2736600
of course

>>2736440
Polynesians are literally pic related

>>2736535
If I learned anything in these past years is that the stock market is fake and nothing ever happens there and it will recover again



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These are issues as to why I think the Western Left will never do anything or succeed at anything. It's not exhaustive, but I do ask why other people here critical of the Western Left, think the Western Left has failed and will continue to fail to enact any sort of change whatsoever?
>Most Leftists are pretty ideologically antisocial, arrogant, elitist, do not like normies (especially working class people) and look down on them.
>Vast majority of what the Left does is ingroup virtue signalling. Every Protest, every newspaper sold, every shouting slogan, every cancellation, all anti-imperialism, isn't really done for a real purpose but virtue signalling and just group activities
>Leftists are holier than thou in the most moronic ways possible, they refuse to use modern PR, modern marketing, modern public speaking skills, Frame Communist and Socialist ideals in ways that are actually appealing and don't sound like a 1917 Larp.
>Because modern Leftism is a alternative scene, rather than a political movement, being a normal person who is charismatic, or works out, or good looking, is actually frowned upon.
>Anti-Imperialism doesn't mean anything or have any goal yet is the raison detre of the modern left.
>Anti-Imperialism never works because the left refuses to actually do anything to put themselves into positions where they have power to do anything actually anti-imperialist. It's mostly just seething and pointing at elites saying "LOOK YOU'RE BAD HYPOCRITS" while they respond "who cares?".
>Too many "Anti-Imperialists" just devolve into vulgar edgy campism. Many also seriously hope the third will will just rise up and save them.
>Shit like mass immigration is only supported because a lot of leftists are genuinely racist against white people and are wildly oikophobic and want to see "white people" suffer out of teenage level spite against boring suburban upbringings. Another is purely just a naieve white saviour complex or orientalism combined with christcuck morality that more "oppressed" groups are more moral.
>Most modern Leftists positions are really driven by peer ingroup "empathy" pressure than Materialism.
>Shitlib TikTok/TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2735856
>>2735857
>whiny contrarian reveals to reject the entire premise of the thread in the first place
My days of taking anti-marxists seriously certainly is not going to end today.

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>>2735841
>The political repression that the CPUSA dealt with mostly happened in the 1950s
It's not comparable to the third world (the Mexican army meanwhile was doing death flights in the 1970s) but that's not really accurate either. The stuff I mentioned about shooting attacks and bombings occurred in the 1970s, 1980s. The Klan (which was heavy in police departments) was still a major threat to the left in those days. Anti-Castro militants as well.

>>2735848
>>2735840
You’re both retarded. You see class conflict from a metaphysical perspective rather than in military terms. The bourgeoisie are short-sighted degenerates whose empires are falling. But peasants and workers will not liberate themselves on their own. They may take part, but it requires men of conviction, trained and capable. And that revolution will likely come with aid from China.

>>2735891
>But peasants and workers will not liberate themselves on their own.
>And that revolution will likely come with aid from China.
Is anyone in this thread even a marxist?

>>2735904
Orthodox Marxism died long ago, what remains today is Marxism-Leninism and its variations.



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You should ground the utopia so the average layman can understand. Communism doesnt mean everyone getting a mansions made out of marble and gold i think.
It could be everyone getting a house, public services for their kids and 100k per year of disposable income in a place like the us. Ive done the math its possible. If income inequality were halved the bottom 20% would get 68k per year. Further distributed it could be 100k as well. 100k for moping floors or whatever kind of job as a baseline. Throw in automation and this reality is very grounded and not a pie in the sky.
The trade off is more government control and lack of possibility for becoming a millionare never mind a billionare. Its a fair trade off if you ask me and woukd lead to less resentment too.
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>>2735969
>bottom chart
Wouldn't that make Canada, Western Europe, Australia and Japan the imperial core, not the US?

>>2735969
Communism appeals to the proletariat, not the average person.

>>2736302
yes
>>2736324
under communism there is no proletariat because class is abolished

>>2736357
Well the idea is that the proletariat:
  • has something to gain from abolishing class
  • (supposedly) has more capacity to do something about it than other classes that would have something to gain
  • Remains a pretty sizable chunk of the population

>>2735957
>Throw in automation and this reality is very grounded and not a pie in the sk
"what if we did Elon Musk ideology but woke" VERY grounded, sir!



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