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What does leftypol think of animal rights?

Personally I believe proles are valued the same as cattle, and that we should liberate both nature and humanity. I have also been a long-term vegetarian
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Most people don't have the right to choose what they will and will not eat to survive, they just have to eat whatever they can find. The people who are privileged enough to have a choice about their diet can abstain from eating animal products or cheap junk foods as a personal choice and that's perfectly fine, but most people in the world can't really make choices like that, they have to take what they can get.

>>2551034
Yeah I've been involentarily vegan for a few years now due to the price of meat.

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>>2550943
keto is a bourgeois meme, if you want to enter autophagy that bad just stop eating entirely. it will begin sooner and you don't need to splurge on nuts and meats/egg (or tofu/TVP if you're doing vegan keto somehow)
>recycling while in heat
are you a cat anon

>>2551034
trve. i used to think that there should be a moral obligation on all urbanites to commit to a plant-based diet but now it's painfully obvious most of these "moral obligations" are nonsense that have no effect on material reality if not followed with restrictive laws and prohibitions, and i don't think we're getting climate stalin anytime soon because i'm a debbie downer pessimist, also known as le doomer

I don't have a problem with eating animals per se, but modern factory farming is an abominable practice.

I think animals should be guaranteed certain rights. They should have a right to live, a right to a thriving environment, and a right to be "happy" to the extent that such creatures can experience such things.

I grew up learning how to fish and hunt and I have already killed and eaten more animals than I can count, so I feel like any opinion I could have about animal rights is kind of meaningless at this point. I do think factory farming is pretty gross, but that goes for every kind of industrial mass production, humans taking more than they need from the Earth to make profit instead of just taking what is needed - I think that is what is gross and immoral, not killing an animal for food.


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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169

This is one of the reasons why 'western civilization' is an ideological obstacle to sustainable socialism, and why socialism will not take hold in those regions until long after 'the west' has been destroyed.

I opine once again that socialism must not be conceived as the completion of the bourgeois revolution & progress beyond it; Instead it must be conceived as the negation of the bourgeois revolution, & progress in a different direction.

One potential means to do this is to look for moral & ideological precursors to socialism not in christianity & liberalism but rather in mohism & legalism. Its large project to be sure, and will take many years of (dialectical) work to formalize into something consistent, clear & formally outlined.

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>>2549169
an issue is that "liberalism" is defined ipso facto (i.e. "liberalism" is a 19th century signifier). the earliest text i could find which references "liberalism" directly is andré vieusseux's "essay on liberalism" (1823), which i provide citation of here: >>2526253
his claim is that these "innovators" lack a cohesive theory of their own movement. they are not guided by a positive belief in liberty, but a negative belief against "stability". i then attempt to provide german idealist sources of a positive freedom, which appears linked to moral law and thus the liberal precedence of the supremacy of the legislative branch, as we see in england (i.e. "the rule of law", which evolves from habeas corpus to universal human rights). yet, kant still sees that for one to be free is not to be merely subject to law (e.g. dictatorship) but to submit oneself to the moral law as their own reason intuits it. thus, kant attempts to combine freedom and necessity, in what is later approximated by hegel. the earliest liberal ideas stress liberty and this seems to be its own end. yet there is the capitalist turn as smith identifies it (1776) between the class interest of the worker and the capitalist, where profits and wages compete against each other. the rise of socialism comes from.the french radicals, with pierre leroux first defining "socialism" twofold; saint-simonism and republicanism (i.e. liberty, fraternity, equality). proudhon had personal antagonism with leroux yet appears consistent in this republican idea (proudhon in 1849 revealing that his 3 intellectual "masters" were adam smith, hegel and the bible). marx on the other hand seems to have favoured saint-simonism (e.g. "the administration of things") and so came against the french republicans, with his theory of freedom (e.g. 1844 manuscripts) being the positive concept of humanism (communism) where contradictions end.

>>2524222
RELIGION is the opiate of the masses as Marx originally stated.
You're much more likely to get a liberal on your side than you are a religious person, at least in the west.
Look at the average American religious prole - they will vote against all of their class interests, knowingly, because of abortion.

>>2524381
>science of Marxism-Leninism
how to tell someone you don't understand or like science, marxism or leninism

>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)


 

Am I the only one who thinks Maupin needs to update his book with discussion on?:
>the Tesla burnings
>the Pennsylvania governor’s house being arsoned
>the shooting of the two Israeli embassy workers in DC
>the Minnesota school shooting
>the recent shooting death of Charlie Kirk

Seems like this is a good opportunity since it furthers his argument that an American Years of Lead are already here.
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>>2512896
are you having a stroke?

Waluigi update.

>>2512898
Most of those homes have since been destroyed and most of the original “Nakba survivors” will be dead by next decade.

>>2479203
The thing about terrorism is that it isn't worth the trouble. It never results in what people want it to do. Oftentimes, it does the opposite of the intent. You want to change people's minds about something, put away the bombs, and buy a newspaper. Or whatever the equivalent of a newspaper will be when they all go out of business.

You think there will be more or less political violence in NYC now that Mamdani is mayor?


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How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?

For the past 10 years, the entire crux of the Democratic Party has been "STOP TRUMP". The average American Democrat or liberal now bases their political views solely on how much they hate Trump, MAGAts, "manosphere" podcasters, so-called "alt-right pipelines", and everything in between. They have no real principles and it shows.

The right-wing, on the other hand, believes it is creating a new world; it's a much worse world, but that's how they want it. This has caused liberals to prop up the old, dying system as a way of preventing it from collapsing into something worse. Now, we're seeing liberals who claim to be "left-wing" embrace everything from free trade agreements (on the basis Trump's tariffs need to be stopped) to hyper-consumerism (on the basis that spending money on fashion and makeup and mindless consumer goods helps maintain your "individuality" against Trump-era conformity) to literal junk food (in order to own RFK and MAHA). It doesn't take much to realize all of these were once things American liberals strongly opposed 20-25 years ago; I'm old enough to remember when "clean girl" no-makeup aesthetics, eating organic, and herbal medicines were leftist things.

American liberals are now pushing a culture of hyper-rationality and order to counter the mass chaos that has erupted in America under Trump. They hate ICE agents terrorizing communities but they hate the sporadic community defence and protests that pop up to beat back ICE even more. They hate the Luigi Mangiones and the Tyler Robinsons and the prospects of an American Years of Lead. They want everything to be "rational" and based on slow progression and linear shit. But this way is outdated. Trying to find the "middle path" doesn't work when capitalism is in a state of collapse. For the liberal, everything that doesn't fit their paradigm is "mysticism" which always equates to "fascism" and needs to be stamped out before it manifests into authoritarianism. But how can this hyper-rationalism win?

The same is true of foreign policy. Liberals insist on American soft power, which arguably won't work in a world post-Gaza where American support for the most documented genocide in recent history was on full display. Trump, on the other hand, is an old school imperialist who simply seizes whatever he demands without caring.

So where does that leave the DemocraPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2533652
Yup. They say Marx was racist and ableist so they replace him in universities with Foucault, who was a literal pefophile.

>>2533620
It is amazing how much of a self-inflicted wound their collapse in support especially with men has been. Just continually promote the dumbest most unsustainable viewpoints and ugliest imagery possible, what could go wrong? Unfortunately most of the people at the top responsible for this aren't going to be the ones facing the consequences of this, many such cases.

>>2533830
If Trumpers told people not to drink gasoline, ShitLibs would be chugging it by the gallon. That’s how fucking pathetic and worthless US politics is.

They will bomb at the midterms for being useless and then blame Russia.

Mamdani and AOC are the future of the Democrats.


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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Dersh in the Fuhrerbunker Edition

Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2550572
>Surely you mean the class consciousness of the workers
No, I am talking about Marx:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm

>The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.

my god, go outside. talk to people, look at people.
for instance, when people see a rich person they treat it with respect. no matter if the underlying reason of his wealth was a product of thievery, stealing labor, stealing surplus value, corruption, pyramidal schemes, preaching in the name of Jesus without quoting the bible.
and see how the same people treat a person dirty with cement, raggy and faded clothes, disheveled.
that's because the ruling class is capitalist.
Whether zohran can exert some influence or not, that's the question. if he becomes another aoc, another bernard, then the people will be disfranchised in their quest for a relief, and vote for a cretin, just like trump success happened.

that you don't understand the basics of US politics, is appalling. And through Marxism is the only way you can effectively understand it.

>>2549290
Why did you put this fake quote/headline in the OP?
JFC why does this site fall for fake shit all the time? inb4 "uh uh uh we knew it was a joke" no you didn't. inb4 "it's so silly that you thought that we thought it was real, that shows how naive YOU are" cope

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>800+ POSTS

I've read bits and pieces about the NYC DSA being firmly in the grasp of the DSA right, here's to hoping that some people up there manage to either dislodge the right or create enough momentum outside of it to keep the city officials in line

>>2549889
When are we going to send the Indians to reeducation camps to make them abandon their reactionary faith? Just like what China is doing to the Islamic Uygurs?


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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Dick Ridin' Mamdani Edition

Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport, at least 3 killed, Kentucky governor says

>>2549109
They're not wrong. It'll be Allende except without a coup. Much of the United States hates Cali and NYC. Trump will do everything in his power, and so will American porkies, to make Mamdani's administration a joke.

NYC is primarily its finance industry, and it's actually dispersed both upstate, New Jersey. And Connecticut.

Porkies will just opt to vacate the city proper and do finance from remote.

Remember kids, this is just revolutionary defeatism. Trotskyism is a joke.

>>2549397
no, he's saying "look at what arabs did", racistly.

>>2548991
>Stop resisting!
cops are something else, man.

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>>2549098


 

Found this informative deep dive on what happened in the year 1917 in Russia on the video sharing website Youtube. Anyone know other videos like this one? Longer the better.


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https://duel.com/r/f2fevent UYGHURS OF GAMBLING

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Tudeh condemns raids and arrests of Iran’s leftist intellectuals
Economists Parviz Sedaghat and Mohammad Maljou, researcher Rasoul Ghanbari, sociologist Mahsa Asadollahnejad, and writers Shirin Karimi and Hayman Rahimi were arrested on Monday, according to reports. Mr Maljou’s whereabouts remain unknown, campaigners warned. Mr Sedaghat’s daughter, Mahtab Sedaghat, chief editor of Criticism of Political Economy, said security forces raided their home at about 7.15am and arrested him after searching the property.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/tudeh-condemns-raids-and-arrests-irans-leftist-intellectuals

PKK leader Ocalan urges progress in Turkish peace process
"To progress to a positive phase, it is essential for everyone to act with sensitivity, seriousness and a sense of responsibility," Ocalan wrote in the message, which was published by a delegation from the pro-Kurdish DEM party that visited him in jail on Monday. "The basis for this must be to integrate the Kurdish question in all its dimensions into the country's legal framework and engage in a solid transition process."
https://www.newarab.com/news/pkk-leader-ocalan-urges-progress-turkish-peace-process

Top Israeli trade union chief arrested as part of corruption probe
ISRAELI police detained several senior officials from the country’s main trade union federation, the Histadrut, on Monday, including its chairman Arnon Bar-David, as part of a major corruption investigation. Authorities said the probe, which has been ongoing for more than two years, involves allegations of bribery, fraud, breach of trust, money laundering and tax offences.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/top-israeli-trade-union-chief-arrested-part-corruption-probe

Violent Maccabi fans were organised fighters 'linked to IDF', UK police found
the West Midlands Police assessment which led to the ban was based on intelligence provided by DutPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Latin America having a normal one.

War Criminal Dick Cheney Dead at 84
Dick Cheney, a chief architect of the US invasion of Iraq and broader “war on terror” that has killed millions of people since its inception, has died at 84, his family announced in a statement Tuesday. Cheney was best known for his central role in the administration of former President George W. Bush, under whom Cheney served as vice president.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/dick-cheney-dies

UAW demands job security as VW workers in Chattanooga vote to authorize strike
There's new reaction Thursday after members of the United Auto Workers voted to authorize a strike at Volkswagen's Chattanooga plant. The vote gives union leaders the power to call for a strike.
https://newschannel9.com/news/local/uaw-demands-job-security-as-vw-workers-in-chattanooga-vote-to-authorize-strike

US citizen shot by ICE in California as Illinois detainees sue over inhumane conditions
According to his lawyers, last Thursday in Ontario, California, US citizen Carlos Jimenez, 25, was shot in the back by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents after he tried to warn them that children would soon be gathering at a nearby school bus stop. Jimenez was on his way to work at a food bank when he came upon ICE agents conducting a traffic stop near the bus stop.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/04/jpiy-n04.html

Maine Ballot Measure Is Testing the Power of Graham Platner’s Volunteer Army
In an unusual turn of events, arguably the most well-organized opposition to the ballot question has come not from the Democratic Party, but from Graham Platner’s upstart Senate campaign—which is still less than three months old. By the end of this weekend, more than 3,000 volunteers across 23 locations had attended an organizing training event put on by Platner’s campaign. Platner, an oysterman and military veteran from eastern Maine, is vying for the Democratic nomination to take on Republican Sen.
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984 - The Killing Fields feat. Jasper Nathaniel (11/3/25) (Chapo Trap House)
Jasper Nathaniel is back with another report from the occupied West Bank. He tells us about a band of West Bank settlers attacking him and locals in the olive fields of Turmus’ayya, including an old woman who was beaten unconscious on camera. He then talks about the Israeli military and intelligence’s response to the crime, the footage actually breaking through to the mainstream Anglophone press, and various U.S. Senators’ response to the attack. Finally, he closes with speculation about Trump and Netanyahu’s refusal to sign on to an official West Bank annexation.
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/984-the-killing-fields-feat-jasper-nathaniel-11325

Bill Gates Wants Us to Do Less About the Climate Crisis
When Bill Gates speaks about climate change, the world listens. That’s why his new essay, “Three Tough Truths About Climate,” is so troubling. Gates argues there’s “too much” emphasis on “near-term emissions goals,” ostensibly for humanitarian reasons. He says we should focus instead on the more serious issues of “poverty and disease,” in part because technology will solve the most severe climate impacts. Yet the points in his essay are neither “tough” nor “true,” but belie the same ideology that has sabotaged climate action for half a century: a refusal to confront power. When billionaires preach tech fixes and innovation, they’re not offering hard truths; they’re just aiming to avoid regulation and protect their freedom to pollute and profit. Gates’s advocacy for breakthroughs — fusion, carbon capture, “clean” cement — as a way to reconcile rising living standards with a stable planet is just a rebrand of the fossil fuel industry’s favorite myth. If salvation lies in carbon capture or advanced reactors, then drilling today becomes an act of faith in tomorrow’s miracles. Consider Occidental Petroleum. The oil major is building “Stratos,” a vast carbon capture operation in Texas touted as a model of “climate progress.” Yet its CEO has been explicit: the technology’s purpose is to “preserve our industry over time,” giving it “a license to continue to operate for the next 60, 70, 80 years.” These schemes aren’t designed to reduce emissions — they’re designed to ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon


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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<SNAP into a Porky Edition

Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2548059
>An America that reindustrializes is an America that is incentivized to burn money.
America will eventually have to produce its own commodities once it no longer has world reserve currency hegemony

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>>2547866
all AES innit

>>2548254
All the people that would be producing commodities cannot pass a drug test or show up to work sober

Americans are too fat to have real jobs in a factory, a field, or a mine. Taking them out of the cubicle is like taking ice out of the freezer.

>>2548088

literally me


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