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Politically, there are no people more repulsive to me than those Balts (by the way, I’m not a Russophile or anything like that). Such an exhausting underass fly syndrome and good house uyghur vibe radiates from all three countries in that forgotten little corner of Europe. To some extent, it can be understood, considering their position and historical context, but their pathological hatred and Nazi-leaning collusion, in the style of an obedient little dog, is so irritating and disgusting that it goes beyond anything that could justify them.

I don’t know what your experience with them is, but whenever I’ve come across someone from that crowd - mostly online - it’s always the same impression: they throw shade and open hatred toward 'my' country (‘little Russia, blah blah blah’), convinced that they’re above the Russians, with some strange badger-like habitus about them. Incredibly unpleasant people.

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I only ever met a transwoman from Lithuania. She was nice.

Read Devils Trapped In Amber

>>2566363
I actually only ever met nice people from the baltic countries in real life. And when it comes to the rude ones online, it helps to remember that they only exist because CPSU collapsed and only as long as it doesn't recover. The difference in firepower makes their existence as in any way politically relevant very easy to end as soon as the decision to restore the Soviet Union is taken.

>>2566960
>end as soon as the decision to restore the Soviet Union is taken.
Isnt this exactly what Russia is trying to do in Ukraine but without the socialism part?



 

New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.
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>>2558358
I think one thing the video misses is the fact that the "Soviet Government" as it existed wasn't ever supposed to be a permanent state of affairs. It was essentially a slap-dashed thing put together after after the sudden success of the October Revolution. But after the German Revolution failed the bolsheviks were left holding the bill so to speak. So I can only really shrug at alot of his criticisms because he seems to be under the assumption that Lenin's project was a permanent Soviet state apparatus rather than a temporary structure meant to carry Russia over the socialist finish line. Once the world revolution was closed off permanently the Bolsheviks whole world view at that point was in crisis and alot of changes had to be made at a point in time where Lenin's health was declining massively, so saying that Lenin was too egotistical or such to give up power I think is wrong. Its more that he only realized that the entire system had to be changed only after it was too late, really Lenin approving of the formation of the USSR in 1922 at all was a compromise from him. Initally at the 10th congress Lenin told Trotsky to oppose the integration of Georgia because Lenin didn't want the return of Russian chauvinism but he relented after since he was literally dying. It then became almost impossible for him to actually implement changes when running against party opposition practically because he didn't really have the energy to do anything other than sit in his dacha. Lenin really only had alot of managable political power during the civil war, and once it ended he was far to sick to refound the entire government as was needed and no one other than him had enough political legitimacy to operate such a task without Lenin dying first and creating a power vacuum. So in the end Stalin was able to consolidate power primarily because the position of general-secretary was an afterthought in a temporary jury rigged system that wasn't even supposed to last as long as it did. There are definitely criticisms to be had for a lack of long-term thinking but I think the video judges Lenin with the benefit of hindsight far too much.

>>2566703
already told in the text as an example, he adamantly denied that such document existed but when it became useful claimed was real when the only text pointed is one where Lenin is pissed off at everyone and specially stalin for talking shit to his wife.
also an testament is meaningless, after all who chooses the Gensec where the party and the soviets and not lenin, it was just a power play, useful for trotsky but a falsehood.

>>2566725
Not that anon but Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR. Once that happened any reforms became impossible because every communist was dead and replaced with braindead cocksuckers who only knew how to grovel. Quit defending the retard who left the communists in Greece & Korea out to dry because he was a coward who gave up every inch possible in the cold war. Collectivization was retarded and his policy of social fascism caused the Nazi's to rise to power in germany aswell. Truly he was the architect of the USSR's demise and its a wonder why anyone defends that brainlet. Trotsky was dumb aswell before you call me a Trot find some other boogeyman.

>>2566732
>Not that anon but Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR.(bunch of spergposting that is worth no time)
completely idiotic positions based on fallacies, distortions and no actual facts, an waste of time.
thanks for contribution to the discussion about how people will use lies and falsifications to strenghten their positions with no material factology behind with an actual example, seek a book and not a cold war indoctrination manual thanks.

>>2566732
> Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR.
This characterization of Stalin is typical of people who have not read his works

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXUFLW8t2snvqAQfkfz4OPo36DwgsaEPL



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Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work. Marxist humanists can't admit that because they keep putting "the human" at the center of everything instead of looking at the material setup that creates it.
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It's a legal term, from which the "moral crisis" proceeds

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Alien nation? That's what we're gonna be if we don't build that wall!

alien nation.

think about that.

>>2561611
>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity
nobody with any marxist background, humanist or otherwise, says that
stop fighting imaginary enemies in your head

I got into a fight with a leftcom online about this. they got mad because I pointed out that not only is alienation not bad, it's what makes proles proles. we should lean into it



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Let's put aside the elephant in the room (India's obsession with Israel), and even their anti-muslim pro-hindu-obsession. Just look at their diplomatic and trade situation with Russia, China, and the USA.

India, by the laws of history, should have become communist-led by 2010, the latest. Socialism was (and still is) the class interest of 98% of their population. It's fucking insane, if you think about how cucked their comprador bourgeoisie situation is + the underdeveloped state of their infrastructure, their semi-feudal small manufacturing, their idiotic e-scam economy, the absolute destitution of their villages/peasants, and so on. Obviously, it was the USA that """"helped"""" India to get rid of the Naxalite """"threat"""".

But then you look at this fucking country's geopolitics/diplomacy/trade and it DOESN'T MAKE FUCKING SENSE, DUDE.

https://swentr.site/india/627932-new-great-game-in-south-asia/ (Please ignore the title and keep reading, it's a very good summary.)

Like, what the actual FUCK is India's foreign policy?!

They hate Pakistan, they try to bribe Sri Lanka, they suck both US and multipolar dick at the same time, and they have constant border disputes.

It's fuckin insane, to the point that future historians will be writing books about the ridiculous failures of India's foreign policy.
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>>2566181
First time seeing an imperialist wannabe?

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>they suck both US and multipolar dick at the same time
most countries do this
"multipolar" powers also suck the USA's dick

>>2566707
Kerala should be independent first. USIR when?

>>2566270
I honestly don't know how the Naxalites didn't get more support. There must have been really strong boogeyman anti-communist propaganda by Hindu religioids/West-glazers

>>2566430
No one can convince me electoral democracy isn't just a release valve for revolutionary pressure.



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Why don't Palestinians just make czech hedgehogs like picrel? It worked for the Ukrainians. They have plenty of rubble.

Fuck Israel fascists! Free Palestine! RIP Abu Obaida!
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>>2566424
if it was a useful tactic im sure they would have adopted it. but i guess the metal is far more useful to be melted down, they can use it to reinforce tunnels, or make improvised explosives and shells.

>>2566519
Yeah,but they can get some rebar fucking easily.

>>2566589
There is a cease fire going on last time I checked. Maybe focus on humanitarian issues instead of building rebar obstacles.

>>2566591
>There is a cease fire going on
….? The Israelis never honored it and humanitarian aid is still being blocked

>>2566591
The ceasefire that the Zionists refuse to respect? That ceasefire?



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Can someone give me non-bullshit explanation of how exactly Western PROLETARIAT benefits from imperialism?

The West exported their investments and know-how and helped in the industrialization of the third world. Not just China, but also SEA, Asian tigers, India, Brazil, Poland, Malaysia etc. This resulted in the exact opposite of what happened in colonialism. The Western industries were hollowed out this time, and outsourced to the third world. Now sure, the Western bourgie benefited from this, but the money didnt trickle down much. That's why in the 1970s you could support a family and live a decent life doing a simple blue collar job and now you cant. So where exactly did the Western PROLETARIAT benefit from this imperialism?
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>>2562260
it didnt give westoids any treats so thats why they think it didnt do shit

I speak for the empire but the empire doesn't speak for me

>>2562307
>The point of Scientific Socialism is to build Communism, not abolish markets. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore in correct.” Socialist commodity production must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between China’s industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.
uh yeah "prematurely" abolish commodity production. In full communism its abolished. So yes the point of scientific socialism is to establish communism but communism implies that commodity production is abolished otherwise you will eventually recreate the social antagonisms of capitalism including class. This is basic shit.

>>2566158
You retards are both wrong, probably because you both redefined “socialism” to mean a specific government policy ya stupid cunts

>>2562294
I don’t identify with any nation, faggot



 

Nazism is founded on Satanism.
Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis Lodge, whose leader was Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley, if you don't know, was the premier satanist and occultist of the 19th century, who coined the term "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". He is the man who inspired LaVey to found the Church of Satan.
Hitler himself was deeply interested in occultism, and openly expressed this. Nazism in fact directly traces its roots to Ariosophy, a racist offshoot of Theosophy, the movement Crowley was a part of. Himmler was particularly embroiled in this.
The recent rise of Nazism is nothing more and nothing less than a psyop to compromise the right-wing youth into being Satanists.
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>>2565990
The return of anti-Semitism and fascism on a global scale is a foreshadowing of a global alliance of Gentile nations against Jerusalem. God is allowing this rebellion against Him to happen on purpose so that Jews will repent to God and accept Jesus. Biblical end times prophecy or something

>>2565990
>Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis
<Fact
Reported for retardation.

Aleister Crowley was/is absolutely not a 'satanist', and neither was/is the Ordo Templi Orientis. Their beliefs are essentialy Jewish Qabbalah with a few 'egyptian' influences, they worship the same Abrahamic God as almost everyone else, they just have sex about it sometimes so puritans kneejerked and labelled them 'satanists'.

your analysis is historically illiterate and idealist, material conditions are the primary determinants in the development of history and culture, the social 'superstructure' is derived from the material, is a reaction to it.

>>2565990
I would describe everything in this thread (including Ayn Rand) as an outgrowth of German Romanticism.

Also btw i copy and pasted this thread unto mutiple imageboards and found this site had the most intelligent takes on it



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I often find it hard to focus on Marx, and other theorists writings and ideals when i'm surrounded by personal relationships and similar distractions. I feel as if I am not truly devoted to the advancement of the proletariat because of this, because of these influences. How do I destroy these aspects of my life to further my dedication?

I know soon I need to be dedicated to a party, as I'm turning 22 and haven't don't much in terms of dedicating my life to the formation of a party and furthering its influence
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Mentality like that will lead you on a cult real fast, just read theory and when opportunity appear try to show people about leftist views in a civil manner, more than that you could join a real political party and do some action around your city, state or even your country, just do become a schizo fanatic

This post sound as if it was made by some Mormon devolted to cult. Which oddly fits trots so it make sense

don't do it. don't throw your life away

Do it

don't put all your eggs in one basket. live your life and enjoy it as much as you can



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

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>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/ovPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>DAMN IT GUYS I TOLD YOU NOT TO RELEASE THE DIDDY BLUD FILES
https://x.com/mychaelschnell/status/1990963655270076654

>>2566121
>his article "the gambler" about the grifter who became a trans neo nazi in ukraine was interesting
sarah ashton-crillo or somesuch? didn't xe detransition?

link me please


>>2564939
I hope your neck gets stomped if you say this shit irl

>>2565475
this punk ass mark won't have the balls to do this shit in neighborhoods filled with gang activities.



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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV

From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism

Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory

It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP

Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>>2565531
>alienation
the theory of alienation is present in marx's 1844 manuscripts, and does not refer to "exploitation", but rather, the social abstraction of labour as such. that is to say, when labour is taken as something in-itself (rather than part of nature), then we establish society in relation to the subject of "labour" (e.g. class society). exploitation also occurs via alienation, since capital is "dead labour" which oppresses "living labour". thus, economic relations are the relations of labour to itself; in possession and dispossession. marx's solution is to abolish the category of labour itself.
>exploitation
the exploitation of labour also doesnt refer to the product of labour which is owed to the worker (since to marx, the wage is the value of labour), but rather, that the surplus labour is categorically dispossessed by the employment contract. the worker does not own his labour by right, but rather, he owns his "labour-power" (capacity to work) and sells it as a commodity. if you reduced the working day to only what was necessary, exploitation would not occur.
>if labor is presumed to not have innate value
to marx, value is not an "innate" or natural relationship, but is a social relationship defined by commodity exchange. thus, only commodities have value, and attain values in being purchased for money.
>falling rate of profit
this theory appears to originate in the work of adam smith, as recorded by the historical rate of interest, which decreases over time. smith stipulates that profits may only fall in relation to higher wages in the context of competition (which ricardo also situates as the precondition for the law of value), and without this, these conditions may be indefinitely suspended, as in the case of keynesian "imperfect competition" (monopoly) which may lead to higher profits by raising prices, for example.
>>2565618
>Marx differs from Smith and Ricardo on some specifics.
any "specific" examples?
>>2565863
marx claims that the economicPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2565868
The tools for economic planning are being made by capitalists themselves. Things like demand forecasting and resource allocation ai. The thing is theyll hold on to those…

>>2565870
>marx claims that the economic relations of labour in class society determines history
and it does, but its not the sole driver of history

>>2565871
Capitalists play a different game in that it is permissible for them to fail. If Amazon bet wrong (say, the price of oil goes up to a million dollars a barrel and their logistics collapse) they go out of business and someone else moves in on their territory. When "Amazon" is the entirety of society, you've got a problem.
Not necessarily an intractable problem, but an underexamined one. The real engine of capitalism so far has not been in that it has successful firms (all systems have successful firms), it is that more than most systems it allows unsuccessful firms to fail. The short term costs hurt, sure, but the long term benefit is that we're no longer pouring social resources into Sears and Blockbuster.
(This says little about economic planning in principle, but it should in broad strokes indicate why decentralized, semi-centralized, or merely indicative planning is preferable to rigid central planning, and why allowing plans to fail is often preferable to trying to salvage them once they go south.)

the lack of a strong failure state is incidentally also why there are so many communist microparties. if a new socdem party can't get elected, it usually gives up pretty quickly because it has obviously failed at its goal. a communist org on the other hand can drift along for 50 years with 15 members masturbating to how they're the one true vanguard who truly understood marxism-leninism-stalinism-maoism-gonzaloism-johnsmithism, because they don't set themselves any serious tests. no communist revolution? of course not, not yet, read theory! sell newspapers! no electoral success? the proletariat has no need for bourgeois electoralism! no new members? as the great stalin said: better fewer, but better!

>>2565863
marx definitely does claim it is the sole driver of history, and he is right about that



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