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What are your thoughts on the European Union? Anonymous 04/07/21 (Wed) 18:58:48 No.157646 [Reply]

I personally support the European Union, as it has the potential to become a counterweight to United States global hegemony. China is already performing that role, but, since we want to make the world as multipolar as possible, we should always support the ascendance of more global superpowers. That said, if the EU wants to get serious about challenging American hegemony and becoming a new superpower, I would advise them to do the following:
-Withdraw all member states from NATO
-Shut down all US military bases within EU borders
-Nullify or renegotiate all unequal treaties with the United States
-Withdraw from all US-led wars
-Establish a unified European military
-Annex all European lands not currently in the EU (diplomatically, of course)
-Have all member states adopt the Euro as their main currency
-Abolish the European Commission and European Council, and establish the European Parliament as the sole federal-level legislative body

I would also advise European leftists to act in a pan-European fashion, rather than just limiting themselves to their own specific countries. If you don't get the EU as a whole to adopt leftist policies, you'll end up in the same situation SYRIZA was during the Greek debt crisis. I think Yanis Varoufakis's DiEM25 movement is a good example for how European leftists should act. "Left-wing" Euroscepticism is an infantile disorder.

What are your thoughts?

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 17:51:06 No.159257

>>157864
>The alternative is a balkanized Europe that would be more easily dominated by the United States.
EU states already play along with US imperialism, worst case its more of the same, best case the rest of Europe breaks with the imperialist bloc and form something like a socialist Intermarium
> The Revolution™ isn't coming any time soon
Doesnt matter to me. Im a wandering outlaw and dont care for states or borders

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:05:29 No.159294

Leftists of the modern day want to avoid class struggle, and in fact this is proven by both tactics and messaging. It used to be that class struggle was both about national and international solidarity and struggle against the capitalist class, against the bourgeoisie but now it's not about struggle but about the very aim of concessions from the bourgeoisie. Socialism is now getting concessions, not class struggle. The EU is an organization that is to avoid domestic class struggle of each nation. If you think about it, the class struggle is something I rarely hear about from the left nowadays.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:07:10 No.159296

God, the absolute libshittery of this.

Back to reddit with you.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:07:49 No.159298

>>159257
Ты ли тот русский товарищ?

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:40:25 No.159399

>>157646
when ww1 broke out and the 2nd international collapsed, Lenin called for a republican united states of europe
the conditions accelerated in the next 3 years like crazy so that was quickly thrown aside, but we're basically there now with this shit

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Simulating a planned economy Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:16:14 No.159322[Reply]

Any programmers here? I thought about simulating a population organizing resources for a while. Nothing serious, just doing it for fun. Anyone tried that before in their free time? Do you have any conceptual starting points? I will start:

Type: Person
Attributes: sex, age_range
That is to predict how much resources they themselves need and how much work they can produce. All based on averages.

Type: Resource
Attributes: quantity, state
Subtypes: metal, mineral, wood, food
The attribute "state" describes for example if the resource has been refined based on some procedure. The mentioned subtypes have further subtypes of course.

Type: Product
Attribute: kcal, components
Subtypes: electronics, furniture, dish
kcal is supposed to represent the average amount of work exerted with the most efficient available tools available to produce the product.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:20:57 No.159339

Just play Stronghold in free build mode.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:25:39 No.159359

play dwarf fortress

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:31:39 No.159379

>>159339
>>159359
OP seems more interested in the programming challenge.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:32:21 No.159382

probably take this to >>>/tech/

seems more programming related

Anonymous ## Mod 04/08/21 (Thu) 18:34:26 No.159390

Moved to >>>/tech/7710.

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Liberal revolutions Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 07:32:52 No.158539 [Reply]

I define liberal revolutions as revolutions that seek out greater civil rights, civil liberties, democratic participation, economic justice, and other things without seeking to overturn the capitalist system. Some examples of liberal revolutions would be the French Revolution (1789), the Revolutions of 1848, the Mexican Revolution (1910), the Irish War of Independence (1919), the Algerian Revolution (1954), the Filipino People Power Revolution (1986), and the Arab Spring (2010). While they may not accomplish as much as socialist revolutions, they have often been successful at bringing down exceptionally oppressive governments. That said, are there times when socialists should support liberal revolutions? If so, when? If a liberal revolution came to my country (the United States), I would probably support it.

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 10:58:02 No.158741

>>158665
>Are you referring strictly to glowie revolutions in non-US-aligned countries, or are you referring to something broader?
I'd say broader, but encompassing glowie revolutions. For instance stuff like Egyptian revolution wasn't really a glowie one, but was motivated by much of the same rethoric of "we want freedom, whatever that is", while the economic structures would basically stay the same no matter who won. Same applies for glowing stuff in Russia's sphere, where both sides are similarly shit. Russia it self is more akin to that War of the Roses thing, as it is just 2 subsets of oligarchs trying to be the ones in power.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 11:14:50 No.158755

>>158680
>The topics we are dealing with here are more complicated than that.
How about an ecology analog then, that shit is complicated af: no today living individual bacterium existed during Darwin's time, yet we can use his theory of natural selection to understand and predict how they react to changing conditions, such as exposure to antibiotics.
The point is, good theory has a long or eternal shelf life. Read Marx.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 11:39:54 No.158792

>>158624
<Gheddafi's Libya was worse than today's Colombia

Nah dude

OP 04/08/21 (Thu) 17:21:27 No.159201

>>158755
I'm not trying to deny that economic forces play a big role in shaping politics, but I find it bizarre that leftypol seems to think that the political system has little or no impact on things.

>>158792
Gaddafi's Libya was an anomaly. Generally speaking, liberal democracies are more pleasant to live in than autocracies. Just compare Tunisia to Egypt, or Ghana to Equatorial Guinea.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 17:25:52 No.159214

>>158545
Socialists revolutions contain liberal revolutions inside them

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 15:46:54 No.159055 [Reply]

Happy Thatcher's Dead day, lads

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:03:12 No.159078

>>159058
Triggered? Your cunt died and everyone pisses on her

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:03:28 No.159079

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>>159055
DING DONG the bitch is dead!

>>159058
LMAO, stay mad, bootlicker.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:04:34 No.159084

>>159074
What the fuck hahaha

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:06:41 No.159087

>>159077
Not just this site but literally any political content online, it's all a negative dialectic, everyone needs to if not cut the chord than at least stop giving online arguments any emotional or intellectual weight because it's impossible for it to have any real impact.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 17:12:43 No.159181

>>159058
HOES MAD

>>159063
Cut us some slack anon, we didn't vote her in.

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Switching Sides for money Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 07:52:26 No.158562 [Reply]

Would you change your alignment from pro-socialism to pro-capitalism if you turned into picrel or got rich? and if so how much money exactly?(USD$)

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:53:40 No.159154

I would pretend to, but secretly fund left social-nationalists like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Syria, Belarus and Zimbabwe with my offshore Swiss bank accounts.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:58:09 No.159163

My take:
I will never be pro-capitalist. It's all about thinking long-term. The socialist millionaire may be a leech temporarily, but they think in the long-term. The capitalist merely thinks about short-term profits, and pretends to think long-term whenever he makes a successful investment.

That being said if I got a lot of money, which depended on exploitation of one country, you can better believe it will be used to fund militias, invest in collective farming and will be used to agitate the imperialist core (mostly to agitate the imperialist core, but those are just some ideas, nothing set in stone). Revolutions still need money.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:59:00 No.159164

>>159041
>27 million
Damn, you're a cheap.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:59:23 No.159165

>>158562
Forget the money, I'm convinced a lot of people turn simply because it means their analyses get listened to.

You can spend a lifetime getting yourself blue in the face telling left-wing organizations that their strategy doesn't work, or you can say fuck it and take the CIA/MI5 cash to explain to them why that organization's strategy doesn't work, how it could be improved, how the improvement could possibly be countered… Play several moves ahead like a real chessmaster rather than sitting around explaining that the revolution is not going to come from selling newspapers and being kicked out of the org and ostracized for your trouble.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 17:03:22 No.159167

>>159165
to be clear when I said "take the MI5 cash" i was thinking of being paid at the same salary with the same conditions you'd otherwise have. on re-reading that sends a mixed message. the point isn't about the money, it's about achieving something. helping the bad guys win is still helping somebody win, unlike the utterly thankless task that is trying to make the left more effective.

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The pipeline problem Anonymous 04/02/21 (Fri) 17:09:20 No.149682 [Reply]

In the mid to late 2010s to the early 2020s, on the anglophone internet there was a phenomenon known as the “alt right pipeline” which was a loose connection of conservative and far right internet “content creators” and posters who created a social media and discussion ecosystem which slowly radicalized many people online into becoming right wing terrorists. Calling it the alt right pipeline is a bit reductive, because it had multiple exit points. This pipeline could alternatively make someone annoying, but relatively nonviolent like an anti feminist sjw, OR an incel/far right mass shooter who uses an AR15 to mow down loads of women/jews/blacks/hispanics in walmart/etc. The ultimate culmination of this was the attacks at Christchurch, El Paso, and Charolettesville. However far from being restricted to Chans, it was replicated again with the capitol riots on Jan 6th, but with christian nationalist boomers instead of ethnonationalist zoomers.

We have often asked why the left can’t replicate this pipeline (without the stochastic terrorism part, obviously) and convert liberals into far leftists.

Can this be done? And if yes/no, why?

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eugenics-kun 04/04/21 (Sun) 14:14:13 No.152165

>>152140
The cancellation stuff goes back to the 1980s, where (neo)-conservatives would troll campuses to purge "leftist" professors (which included liberals who made the mistake of being too honest and not entirely toeing this neoliberal line).

The left has its own history with this wrecking shit though. I get the feeling that the neocon ex-Trots had a thing or two to teach about ratfucking.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 12:07:30 No.158827

>In the mid to late 2010s to the early 2020s, on the anglophone internet there was a phenomenon known as the “alt right pipeline”
according to whom? The aut-right had its roots in the Obama era more than any e-celebs, and it died as a coherent movement few years after the term was coined. The only tards I see claiming this are the faggots who think Pewdiepie saying nigger somehow made the Christchurch shooting happen.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 15:42:17 No.159049

>>149712
>The left can’t meme
Post discarded.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 15:57:22 No.159068

>>149712
What is the value of memes though? These retards have always believed in right-wing shit, it just makes them look cool and thus mean that they have no real desire to actually do shit if they feel like they are badasses.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:21:27 No.159109

>>159049
>insert rafiq post about memes

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Plans for organizing Anonymous 03/25/21 (Thu) 01:33:03 No.135812 [Reply]

What have you actually done for the workers' movement aside from poasting online, anon? What orgs are you a part of? Do you want to form one yourself? If so, why and how?

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Anonymous 03/26/21 (Fri) 18:33:10 No.139092

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>they don't tell every service worker they meet to unionize or about the unionizing Amazon workers
>they don't inject a material analysis any time contemporary social issues come up in conversation
>they don't validate everyone's frustrations with work, the economy, etc and tell them a better world is possible
>they don't tutor local school kids, validating their frustration/confusion with school and planting the seeds of materialist thinking early
>they don't seek out already-motivated people dealing with economic/social issues directly and sow the seeds of class struggle there
>they don't straight up ignore the internal "politics" (drama) of most orgs and focus only on projects that yield results
>they don't carry around "business cards" for different local or international orgs and hand them out according to which one somebody seems most amenable to joining, to increase the volume of actual working class members and reduce the ratio of feds, LARPers, wreckers, and careerists in a bid to make those cocksuckers irrelevant

Anonymous 03/26/21 (Fri) 19:39:11 No.139193

>>139092
Thanks, will think of some of these points.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:21:24 No.158884

Helped collect signatures for referendum against armament investition. We are a small NATO member state.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:49:53 No.158980

Why would I be part of organizing a workers movement or party? I'm a student, not even in the workforce, socialism probably isn't even in my interests (yet)

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 15:19:08 No.159023

>>136010
It's the only viable long term strategy, silly centralist.

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News 4/5/21 News 3.0 04/05/21 (Mon) 17:29:13 No.154078 [Reply]

Maoist Insurgents Kill 23 Indian Forces in Ambush, Officials Say
A large force of Indian security personnel had been carrying out a clearance operation in a densely forested area on the edges of the Bijapur district when they were ambushed by the insurgents on Saturday in a firefight that lasted four hours.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/04/world/asia/india-maoist-insurgents-ambush.html
https://archive.is/d63dG

Northern Ireland clashes reflect loyalists' fear of marginalisation
A Sinn Féin funeral was the spark but loyalists in Northern Ireland have been throwing petrol bombs and burning cars partly because they fear political marginalisation. The union flag no longer flutters daily over Belfast city hall, a trade border separates the region from the rest of the UK and the police are allegedly beholden to Sinn Féin.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/05/northern-ireland-clashes-reflect-loyalists-fear-of-marginalisation

Palestinian election board approves candidate lists for May vote
President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah movement, which dominates the Palestinian Authority in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, is contesting the polls, as is Hamas, which has run the Israeli-blockaded Gaza Strip since 2007. Fatah is facing challenges from dissident factions including the Freedom list, led by Nasser al-Kidwa, a nephew of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/4/palestine-election-board-approves-candidates-list-for-may-poll
https://archive.is/YbeLK

Israel: Netanyahu corruption trial begins amid government formation talks
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Anonymous 04/05/21 (Mon) 22:50:40 No.154690

TYBNA

Anonymous 04/06/21 (Tue) 01:28:26 No.154933

>>154683
Sadly yes, there are attempt to break free of it but that usually results in dog piling :\

King Lear 04/08/21 (Thu) 07:38:20 No.158547

>>154656
Death to Capitalism, Liberalism, Fascism, Revisionism, U$ Imperialism, European Imperialism, Russian Imperialism, Chinese Social Imperialism, Zionism, and all the Comprador states worldwide!
Long live the Protracted People’s Wars in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru!
Long live Marxism-Leninism-Maoism!

Sage!61KGLATVW. 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:54:04 No.158984

>A Sinn Féin funeral was the spark but loyalists in Northern Ireland have been throwing petrol bombs and burning cars partly because they fear political marginalisation. The union flag no longer flutters daily over Belfast city hall, a trade border separates the region from the rest of the UK and the police are allegedly beholden to Sinn Féin.

why does this sound like the Guardian simping for loyalists

Sage!61KGLATVW. 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:54:49 No.158986

>>158547
>>154656
Political power is growing
From the Barrel of a Gun

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Origins of Alunya Anonymous 03/08/21 (Mon) 21:26:54 No.109240 [Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I want to know the history of Alunya and specifically how she was created and who was the first person who drew her? Some say it was Comrade King, but I would like to know what the people of leftypol recall

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:55:46 No.158921

>>158918
Also the Serbian chetniks had a skull on their flag because they were Makhnovists

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:02:31 No.158928

>>158889
>There already is a separate anarchist PICG catgirl so anarchists can just use her as their symbol.
We do not need your pedo cartoons :)

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:04:54 No.158934

>>158928
kys already moo

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 16:51:25 No.159152

>>158877
It was lol

Anonymous 04/09/21 (Fri) 04:51:41 No.160408

why is it aways little girls? give me cute boys too

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When did chan culture die Anonymous 04/07/21 (Wed) 19:41:33 No.157700 [Reply]

When did traditional chan culture morph into moralfaggotry? did /pol/ do it? Is it just the general politicization of society?

Is this just a relic of the pre-2012 internet?

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Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:28:00 No.158896

>>157700

It was never going to stay that way.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:35:23 No.158903

>>158765
You really think m00t wasn't peer pressured? Why would he throw stormfags their bone out of the blue?

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:53:25 No.158919

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>>158886
>but rather because they took this creativity and reduced it to endless reposting and template memes
Why are you telling false history? We literally had image macros that was exactly this.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 13:59:55 No.158926

>>158919
How does this contradict anything I said? Image macros and demotivationals were one type of meme out of hundreds and gained much more precedence outside of the communities that spawned them via shit like Icanhazcheezburger than in them, and the endless repetition of them and the drop in quality that came with it was a huge reason why people hated the sites. That, and a view that they were profiting off of them.

Anonymous 04/08/21 (Thu) 14:15:17 No.158942

>>158926
I'll also note that I never said template memes didn't exist. I said that these sites reduced non-templated memes into fundamentally imitative templates to post for upvotes, and people rightfully hated them for it.

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