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I honestly think the world would be a better place if nazi Germany still existed to act as a 'white Japan' to counterpoint neoliberalism, there would be much less racial conflict and concern about degeneracy, infact it would probably encourage anglosphere and western Europe to fully embrace immigration and degeneracy because all the rightoids would just become wehraboos.
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>>2358547
OP is just Bordiga's ass stained armchair.

>>2357017
it is childish understanding of the world to think that 'financial capitalism' would die with UK-USA
Germany would simply take over their fief and replace them
Bordiga just hated brown and black people sweetie

Ethics and such aside Nazi Germany was not a stable state
There is no world where they sit on their ass for nearly a century not instigating a global conflict
The entire root and foundation of their ideology was around conquering, enslaving and genocide with an unstable power structure that reflects such short sighted goals
They took out HUGE loans before the war, of which their only plans to pay it off was just invading other countries
Even if they did chill the fuck out, they'd probably have to liberalise just for a chance to not implode in on themselves. Also consider that a chunk of their ideology was also a return to agrarianism which doesn't necessarily lend itself to industrial dominance which could further exaggerate economic issues
IM like talking out of my ass here but I don't think the nazis as we know them existing all the way up to today seems like a very coherent idea.

>>2358663
What do "brown and black" people have to do with WW2

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>Easter
>family comes over
>talk to older cousin since haven't seen her in about 2 years now, and want to catch up
>big mistake, she's really deep into maga and for some reason violently against women's rights despite being a woman herself, being half paralyzed and on perma-disability(???)
>have to avoid political conversations entirely now because she will endlessy dick-suck Trump and excuse any and every awful thing he's done, right down to the point of screeching "FAEK NEWS, FAEK NEWS" and/or crying when shown undeniable evidence of his crimes

it's so fucking tough because she's genuinely a good cousin and I enjoy her company, but it annoys me to deal with someone so close and mature yet so heavily brainwashed at this point in life. What are some ways I can aid her with disillusionment? She's heavily against corporations, so I feel like that could be a potential starting point for it
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>>2344233
You don't get to convince reactionaries and the only point in arguing with them is to show normies how they're insufferable assholes.
Point out how what they want is various levels of "lacking compassion", "mean" and "hateful".
Most people, especially americans like to perceived as nice.

There is no aid. Her life will just get worse and worse.

Keep cordial relations with your cousin. Trying to debate or change her views will just piss both of you off. Shes going through her own political journey and may come around one day. You can respectfully disagree, but don't spend all day clashing over politics. I'm sure there are other avenues where you can find solidarity with each other.

It's probably better to sow seeds of doubt inside her brain using that one starting point instead of arguing and debating directly over Trump's corrupt, greedy & deceitful nature. Point out all of the corporate CEOs who backed Trump and the GOP and showed up at his inauguration, point out all the tax breaks they're going to receive from this big beautiful bill of his and how much taxes will be raised for the working class by that very same bill, and point out how many regulations to keep corporations in check have been neutered or removed by his administration and his Supreme Court thus far & how many more the GOP in the legislature are planning to water down or remove.

it's over, introduce her to pot smoking.



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Alternative title: Why you shouldn't need to read theory to know what's up under global capitalism. Start doing populism you idiots.

Many here have taken issue with me in the past when I have said that 'in order for investors to get what they spend, the workers must spend what they get', or with my claims that this can explain:
- Capital Accumulation
- Boom & Bust Cycles
- Political repression of workers

I hope to expand upon what I mean by these statements and convince you of their truth, and thus show you that my argument is sound and based on trivial intuition, thus no need for any fancy theory.

First of all, on the simplest case. Whilst I do not generally approve of 'simplifying assumptions', here I think they are valid since I am making a monetary argument: I hope to show the logical necessity of the simple case, and show that the more complicated cases of our real world are simply emergent properties of this base case and do not invalidate it.

We will start with an economy that has fixed capital and four economic 'functions' an actor can take: To 'invest' the money one has available (by spending on productive assets), to 'spend' the money they have available on assets which are non-productive (though perhaps which are vital to subsistence), to work (which brings in income) and to receive income from investment. In the case of the investment function, it is obvious that the productive asset yields surplus, and that this surplus returns to the one investing. From our assumptions we see, this surplus must come from other actors in the economy.

Anyone who is familiar with Kalecki will immediately see where I'm going with this, and I hope it is obvious to you that no one will 'invest' unless they reasonably believe they can get surplus value from their investment, which means that everyone else in the economy must be, in aggregate, spending money into the hands of the one investing. This is in fact, Kalecki's basic two-sector model. Since the total capital flow in the economy must be made up of investment and consumption, then we say

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>>2358278
have you tried a large rock

>>2358349
have you tried a large cock ;)

>>2357817
>>2357820
well the dialectical and historical materialists argue that socialism is not possible before at least some part of the world passes through capitalist society. stalin even argues in his 1930s work on diaectical materialism that slavery was historically necessary to build up agrarian society. so it's less about debunking the arguments in favor of exploitation and more about explaining how forms of exploitation arises materially and then self-sublates through historical evolution of society

>>2358604
"dialectical materialism" = instant pseud alert

>>2357817
>Marxism is bourgeois
another day another banger



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Saturday, June 28th at 5:00 PM EST
Join known Maoist Youtuber Jason Unruhe on an AMA (Ask Me Anything) here at leftypol.org

Post your questions on the forthcoming AMA thread next Saturday!

Cya there!
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>>2353290
Cockshott one was definitely real because of how retarded it was

>>2356619
yugo one was AI.


>>2358160
You found proof of the YugoAI bugging out? Nice one.

Can we have a Stalin AI afterwards?



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A reminder that no matter how much Pro-Palestine AL Jazeera presents itself, Leftists should oppose this propagandist garbage and its lackeys like Mehdi Hassan.
I recently learned that their normalisation of Jolani (Golani or Al Sharaa) started way back in 2015, when ISIS was in full swing.

>Sheikh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi is a respected Sufi scholar and teacher from Damascus who has been an outspoken voice against IS and other extremist groups in Syria. Throughout the course of the uprising, he has been consulted by rebel fighters seeking guidance regarding their conduct in the war. In this capacity, the Sheikh has provided numerous fatwas against acts of extremism, violence against civilians, sectarian violence, and the killing of prisoners. Sheikh Yaqoubi has previously been interviewed for Syria Comment, and more information on his background and activities can be found in that article.


>Sheikh Muhammad, what did you make of al-Jazeera’s interview with Abu Mohammed al-Julani?


<The interview was fifty minutes of mockery—a scandal for professional journalism. It is unbelievable that al-Jazeera is doing the dirty job of beautifying this man before tens of millions of viewers, ordinary Muslims, telling them that he is a good man who is doing a good job, helping the Syrian people, a good Muslim, a moderate Muslim—he’s not! It was clear from the interview that the ideology of al-Nusra Front has not changed. Al-Julani twice confirmed his allegiance to al-Qaida, saying that he receives orders from its leader Dr. Aymenn [al-Zawahiri], and the interviewer never interjected any question about this. All the interviewer did was attempt to portray him as a nice man. He never asked him a critical question; he never challenged him.


>What do you think is happening today that allows an important representative of al-Qaida to be featured on television in an accepting way by a mainstream voice of the media?


This question should be directed to Qatar’s government. Why are they doing this?

The man clearly stated that he hasn’t abandoned any of his principles. He only stated one thing that differs from his earlier positions: he says that he has received orders from al-Qaida leader Dr. Ayman to not target the West. This is the only real [ideological] change from what he conveyed in his earlier interPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2356190
Oh no, next you'll tell me BDS doesn't work…

>>2356183
Al-Jazeera english or arabic?

>>2358269
>the state isn't a tool of class oppression
>it is an instrument for the oppression of one class over another
>im so smart
I like how you ignored the 14 liberals itt and came after me

>>2358269
by "condemn" i mean recognize

ESL and all but I'm pretty sure you're just nitpicking and didn't understand the subtext

>>2358238
YOU'RE READING too much into it
I was just pointing out that the sanitising of Al Golani/Jolani was already being done back in 2015



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<Marxist Unity Group and Reform & Revolution are proud to announce that we have combined our programs, and will propose this Fighting Socialist Program together at DSA convention
https://www.marxistunity.com/light-and-air/a-fighting-socialist-program

Ok let's check it out.

>Whereas in order to build a new society, our organization must have unity around our goals and beliefs and an ability to explain our politics to people in our lives and communities.

This is coming from people who can't even explain what value is.

>Whereas historical socialist parties have developed unity by adopting a program which explains capitalist society, includes demands which connect to present consciousness, and clearly states that the working class will need to conquer political power.

They don't argue why the working class needs to conquer political power (they don't even elaborate on what that is). They just state it lol.

>We live in a country run by a class of bosses and billionaires called capitalists. They have bought and run the Democratic and Republican parties, most news outlets, colleges and universities, and every branch of government from city halls to the Senate. They use their power to exploit the vast majority who work to live—the hundreds of millions of us who make up the working class. This system can only be ended by the working class taking political power from the rich and building a new society. We in the Democratic Socialists of America fight for that society: a democratic socialist society.

And thus capital isn't an alien social force, it is a cabal of billionaires who have co-opted two political parties.

>Our wages are stagnant, our hours are long, and prices are only growing higher. We increasingly live paycheck to paycheck, one bad day away from financial ruin. And yet it is our labor that powers this unjust system. The capitalists who own the businesses we work at take all the profits for themselves and use them to control our society. This is the exploitation that defines the capitalist system.

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>>2357496
True. Leftypol can shill ziggerism so DSA must be fine as well.

>>2357527
disgusting western larperoid

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>>2357157

> They don't argue why the working class needs to conquer political power (they don't even elaborate on what that is). They just state it lol.


< In general [The Erfurt Programme] suffers from the attempt to combine two things that are uncombinable: a programme and a commentary on the programme as well. The fear that a short, pointed exposition would not be intelligible enough, has caused explanations to be added, which make it verbose and drawn out. To my view the programme should be as short and precise as possible. No harm is done even if it contains the occasional foreign word, or a sentence whose full significance cannot be understood at first sight. Verbal exposition at meetings and written commentaries in the press take care of all that, and the short, precise phrase, once understood, takes root in the memory, and becomes a slogan, a thing that never happens with verbose explanations.

Engels, Critique of the 1891 Erfurt Programme
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1891/06/29.htm

> And thus capital isn't an alien social force, it is a cabal of billionaires who have co-opted two political parties.


Reread the what you're quoting.
< We live in a country run by a class of bosses and billionaires called capitalists. … This system can only be ended by the working class taking political power from the rich and building a new society.

> What has the first part got to do with the second? They don't even know what exploitation is, just calling profits lol.


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>>2357494
anon if you think that all criticism is pedantic that would explain your problem

to be specific, i dont disagree with most of the criticisms the OP raises, i disagree with their relevance. the statement is not well written imo, but because

1. despite using simple language it lacks actual clarity, relying on a lot of stock phrases
2. most of the phrasing & vocabulary seems more intended to defuse intra-"leftist" bickering than to clarify itself to any mass base e.g. the weird aside about "different types of oppression" could accomplish the same point more effectively by just defining what they regard as "working class", starting from the unity of that category instead of starting themselves on the backfoot presuming liberal identitarianism. its your statement, if youre advocating primacy of class, say that and move on, preemptive defensiveness makes it look weak & unsure of itself
3. the biggest point, where i fully agree with the OP: all goals are either reformist policy proposals or maximum demands for a socialist republic, with NO indication of any kind of strategic roadmap on how to get there. for me this is the only thing thats really unforgivable. especially the membership and also the leadership dont need to have a perfect grasp of critique of political economy or anything else, and its unrealistic & counterproductive to demand that as a standard, tho of course political and economic education should be a pillar of any organization. what they DO need is clear goals in the short, medium, and long-term and an outline of a strategy to reach those goals. that is the only way a political organization can really be evaluated, by its ability to accomplish the goals it has set and its ability to adjust strategy and goals as needed when unsuccessful. without this, the only way to evaluate the org is on the basis of its principles and theoretical premises, which inevitably just runs in circles because you can debate principles and theory forever without it leading to anything

>>2357350
>ICP
>weed poster in charge of beating glowie psyop derail allegations



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question for this site: do you even plan to have kids?

>b-but life nowadays is too expensive and dangerous

idc i'm not asking that uyghur

>b-but i have the freedom to choose if i plan to have kids or not

how do you plan to build the future then?
also not asking that neither
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>>2356441
Funny, I basically want to be a single dad
>>2356512
Just wear a condom lol
>>2356658
Cope runs deep. Until about a year ago I thought everyone was faking it.

>>2357889
what convinced you that everyone wasn't faking it

>>2286403

I mean this would require actually finding someone compatible to date first. Satisfying this precondition in present society is already a practically insurmountable difficulty.

Τη τα θες ρε φίλε μου, έτσι είναι…

I'm self-aware enough to admit I'd be a bad, or at least below average, parent. Not everyone is suited to the task of child rearing. In fact some days it seems like most parents probably aren't.

>>2295807
How the fuck will people magically want to have kids again after you said that a ton of people will be imported from India?



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I am a quite sceptical of the third-worldist position, I wonder if anyone could illuminate the answer to these two questions for me:

1. Many seem to presume that capitalism is already global but I don't think that's the case; there are plenty of areas which capitalism has not de/re territorialised as of yet. I am not even sure that the rate of globalisation is decelerating. Is there clear evidence of this?

2. I understand Marxism to be the study of the *development* of material relations, so I would generally assume that the closer you get to the imperial 'core', and the most developed/mature zone, the closer you get to the place where revolution can happen. Don't most revolutions occur in the capital cities of nations because this is where the core of power resides? Why wouldn't a revolution against imperialism therefore occur in the capital 'country' of capitalism (I.E., the country which holds the reserve currency, has most imperial power and is the controller of foreign surpluses).

I agree that the third-world is where the brunt of exploitation occurs obviously and is thus the largest pressure point, but I would assume that any pressure would have to destabilise the core in some way and precipitate a revolution there as well.
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>>2357691
eff pi bi pi

>>2357688
>>2357713
Why can't any of these siege-nations make any form of communism? I guess DPRK they are happy enough but they could provide more proof. They should show more of what they have going on there.

>>2358189

A lot of information (especially concrete numbers) are deliberately withheld by the DPRK government from publication so as to keep the enemy as much in the dark as possible.

In fact, I suspect they deliberately exaggerated how bad the arduous march was in order to trick the US into a sense that the DPRK would soon collapse (as well as get some free humanitarian aid).

One indicator of this is that the demographic data we do have shows no sudden birthrate collapse 1996-8 when there was supposed to be a famine (which we would expect of there was starvation); Instead we get a gradual decline over 20 years, and its still higher than most of Eastern Europe. Further the death rate spike up in 95, but at a total increase similar to eastern europe from the early 90s, and the declines to similarly after 2003, relatively stagnating afterwards.

>>2357688
Not even a third worldist but I can answer both of your questions, because neither have anything to do with third worldism.

>1. Many seem to presume that capitalism is already global but I don't think that's the case; there are plenty of areas which capitalism has not de/re territorialised as of yet. I am not even sure that the rate of globalisation is decelerating. Is there clear evidence of this?

Which areas do you see where capitalism doesn't exist? It doesn't sound like you have an issue with "Third Worldism" here as much as you have an issue with the basic thesis of Leninism and imperialism.

>2. I understand Marxism to be the study of the *development* of material relations, so I would generally assume that the closer you get to the imperial 'core', and the most developed/mature zone, the closer you get to the place where revolution can happen. Don't most revolutions occur in the capital cities of nations because this is where the core of power resides? Why wouldn't a revolution against imperialism therefore occur in the capital 'country' of capitalism (I.E., the country which holds the reserve currency, has most imperial power and is the controller of foreign surpluses).

Most revolutions haven't happened in the capital cities. In China, Vietnam, Cuba, Russia, etc. the strongholds of revolution have been far away from the capital of the country. The last time a major revolutionary movement was actually entirely centered in a capital city was the Spartacist Uprising in Berlin. You are thinking of these areas as simply "developed" but you aren't paying attention to how. In all of these countries, and looking at the world relationship between the imperial core and everyone else, the "developed" areas are developed precisely because they have an extractive relationship to the countryside. People living within these "developed" areas benefit in material ways from this extraction (better living conditions, higher wages, resources concentrated in grocery stores and shopping centres, etc.) and are disinclined to accept a decline in these benefits in order to wage revolution. This is why, in every modern revolution, the heart of the revolution is in the countryside and/or among the most exploited and extracted-from members of thatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2358231
> The need for a revolutionary party and revolution is greater than ever here.
That doesn’t make it possible, anyone in a NATO or adjacent member state will be about as effective as internal German resistance to Nazi rule (ie not at all)



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Decided to do another one of these. Not gonna make myself do them every day (be honest, y'all don't read enough to necessitate that) but this is a nice exercise in making study questions while I organize irl political ed. and work on my teaching cert. Enjoy:

“Three Worlds” Strategy: Apology for Capitulation
Statement by the Revolutionary Communist Party USA published in Revolution, 1978

For some time now, considerable attention in the international communist movement has been devoted to debating the Chinese international line. Since the counter-revolutionary coup in China shortly after Comrade Mao Tsetung’s death, it has become crystal clear that the “three worlds” strategy is part and parcel of the Chinese revisionists’ general line for the restoration of capitalism in China and capitulation to imperialism, particularly at this time U.S. imperialism, on a world scale.

In 1966 Mao wrote to his wife and close comrade, Chiang Ching, that if, after he died the capitalist-roaders came to power, then “The right in power could utilize my words to become mighty for a while. But then the left will be able to utilize others of my words and organize itself to overthrow the right.” These words were very prophetic indeed. But what is remarkable is how few of his words the revisionists in China can dredge up to try to lend Mao’s prestige to a line that runs counter to everything Mao spent his life fighting for.

Of course, what stands out most sharply is that the “three worlds” theory is not a theory at all, but rather an empty and shallow justification for the Chinese revisionists to pursue a pragmatic policy in international affairs. A policy not based on advancing the interests of world revolution but on the contrary a policy of sacrificing support for revolutionary struggles and based on an overall line of gutting socialism in China itself for what the revisionist usurpers see to be their immediate and narrow interests. It is a chauvinist “theory” that substitutes the national interests of China–as perceived through the distorted looking glass of the bourgeoisie–for the worldwide struggle against imperialism and demands that these “interests” occupy the central position in the international communist movement.

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>>2355618
Yeah I hope you get some mileage out of it! With regards to current struggle, beyond just Chinese foreign policy this polemic offers us useful criticisms of opportunist re-evaluations of imperialism. While it doesn't directly discuss them, many of the opportunist lines in "three worlds" theory are shared by tendencies like Marcyism (WWP/PSL/Maupinites) with the "Global Class War" thesis forwarded by Sam Marcy in the US, and what we now know as international "multipolarism" pushed by many social fascists.

>>2355656
Hilariously telling on yourself that you didn't actually read any of this. You just saw Mao and your leaky brain spouted "M3W!!" See question 7.

Source:
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/rcp-3.htm

Discussion Questions:
1. Why is it that non-western countries like the Philippines, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Iran, and Afghanistan (for example) can't be lumped into the same "camp", and what's the harm in doing so?
2. What is the significance of the transition of global imperialism into the stage of neo-colonialism?
3. How do you see the "theory of three worlds" reflected in modern Chinese initiatives like the Belt and Road Initiative and BRICS?
4. What does Marx's assertion that "the greatest productive force is the revolutionary class itself" mean for the modernization of, say, a factory or collective farm?
5. How has the assertion by Deng and the post-Mao CPC that the subordinate imperialist countries, the "second world", is no longer concerned with redividing the world among themselves panned out since 1977? Has this statement proven accurate?
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why not just post a pdf tho, it's more cumbersome to read a bunch of posts

>>2355703
Posting texts in the form of multiple posts encourages people to engage more, keeps it at the top of the board, and places the text right in front of anyone in the thread. When I did this all in one post with a PDF/link and questions nobody engaged with the text and the threads would quickly get derailed and/or buried. With this, y'all have no excuse. The link is there if you want to use Marxist.org's better layout, but none of you get to avoid the content. Plus there's the added benefit of Anons like >>2355656 displaying their anti-intellectualism for all to see.

like something you might see in a magazine

>>2355691
1. Because, as the text points out, these are countries with vastly different relationships to imperialism and with different internal class forces at work. Iran and Brazil are regional imperialist powers, Burkina Faso is presently ruled by a national bourgeoisie trying to carve out their own niche against various imperialisms, the Philippines is a neo-colony, and Afghanistan is a comprador regime courting both Western and Eastern capital. These states do not have the same interests and cannot be bound together in any kind of real unity. The only thing that can genuinely unify in these nations is the proletarian revolutionary struggle.

2. The significance is that we now have to organize very differently around imperialism. Antagonisms which were once obvious are now obfuscated behind "independence" and "diversity". The 2020 uprisings in the US, for example, demonstrated pretty handily that there are many people who are able to identify the immediate colonial threat (pig occupation, relocation, etc.) but not the neo-colonial threat (Black or "kind" police, "Black faces in high places", etc.). Our anti-imperialist theories are the result of centuries of heroic struggle, and showed great results, but now it's back to the drawing board in the era of neo-colonialism. It's not enough to simply study Lenin's Imperialism or follow African anti-colonial struggle, and when we do we just keep losing and falling back on more and more backwards "theories". That's terrifying and demoralizing for a lot of people, I think.

3. "Three worlds" theory seems to still be the underpinning of modern Chinese foreign policy. For example the BRI is an attempt at strengthening various comprador and neo-colonial regimes towards "economic independence", a state that these regimes fundamentally can't support. However, these regimes will happily accept the funds and infrastructure as it strengthens their positions with the people, and undermines attempts at revolutionary struggle against them. People oftentimes make bad-faith criticisms of Filipino revolutionaries, for example, for opposing Chinese companies investing in building roads in the countryside and exploiting various natural resources. But there's a reality that these roads aren't simply being used for "development", they're being used for encirclement and dispersal of revolutionary forces. BRICS isPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Discord Server
40k++ members
Neonazi, homo/transphobic, xenophobic (proactively so), potential financial fraud, inciting violence, potential jokes on CP content
I report to Discord, LE, every single organization that exists
They do nothing
I decide to publish my five-year investigation

https://digitalbrownshirts.info/the-digital-brownshirts-an-investigation-into-the-public-kingdom-of-a-social-media-influencer/

Please share on Twitter tag Discord and tag cousincrypt0 who runs it

>>2357988
>They do nothing
At best they implement more filters and surveillance for everyone.
Consumer activism at its best.

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>>2357988
>Why aren't they taking down the fed honeypot???
Geee I wonder, almost like its some higher power's job to run those places. Who could it be?



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