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 No.305951[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

aka /leftypol/: An Exploration into the Causes and Effects of Identity Politics.
Let's get to the bottom of identity politics, bane of the radical left and blockade to normie socialism.

ITT post about idpol and anti-idpol.
Post literature, effortposts, infographics, etc.
Post about what idpol is, the history of idpol, idpol today, the problems with it, and how to deal with it.

The point of this thread is to develop our discourse on the topic. Currently the meaning of idpol and many people's understanding of it is extremely nebulous. This is a problem for us in addressing it in general. It is a problem for the mods appropriately moderating it. It's a problem for users knowing what posts are good. Most importantly it's an obstacle to people knowing what kind of theory is sensible and based versus what is idpozzed and cringe. Most of us will agree that idpol is a problem the left deals with to some degree more or less online or in real life. It is both an inferior understanding of politics and a way of baiting people. What we sometimes don't agree on is what idpol is and how it works. That's what this thread is for: fleshing out our discourse so that we can better combat liberalism (and other right wing politics) and promote communism.
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 No.404873

>>306024
We should sticky this somewhere. Also gather more and better sources.
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 No.404917

Bump you
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 No.405288

>>391569
You're a fucking retard
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 No.405860

>>305967
Yes but not because the masses accept it, but because nationalism is the b word which I will not utter.
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 No.406146

>>405288
got to keep the grift going, only the top tier of activists got houses in white upper class neighborhoods


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 No.394172[Reply]

Had some free time so I collected all the information about past anti-women terrorists based on the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism#List_of_incidents and compiled the data.

Pics should be self-explanatory. Mysoginist terrorism is getting more frequent, almost exclusively in the USA and Canada.

Some interesting things I noticed. Not a single perpetrator was in his 30's. It seems to me that when these people get to that age they have jobs, a home, and a (relatively) stable income, thus only in their 40s may their hatred of women resurface, maybe as a complication of midlife crisis. The 17-28 years old range usually have this "last straw" moment (getting kicked out of their parents' home, failing school, etc.) while those in their forties tend to plan more thoroughly, and unload the bullets with their long accumulated desperation.

Not a single perpetrator under 21 was racist while everyone in their 40's was. It's either due to the fact that non-boomers are actually less racist in general, or that racism just tends to accumulate as a general hatred of everything as they get older and more miserable.

Obsessive gaming and 4chan use correlate with – you guessed it – the 'tism. All except one with military affiliations had a kill&injury count above average. All of these people suicided on the scene or attempted suicide by cop but failed. Facial disfigurement seems to have no correlation with the kill&injury count. The two 4chan users are above average in the kill count.

Whether the perpetrator is racist or not seems to correlate with how many people he kills. All but one racist are above the average killed&injured count. All but one non-racist are under the average killed&injured count. Top three killers were of mixed descent (e.g. Chinese mom, English dad) and two of them were racists. (Oh yeah, I categorized ppl "racist" if there were past videos, posts, etc. linked to them where they went on rants against "Nigs" or they had an obsession over Hitler, etc.)

I'm convinced that some of these cases could have been prevented. The two most obvious cases are the German dude (paranoid schizophrenic) and the case of the latest burger killer ("sex addict"). In the former case the German dude contacted the police several times, wishing to talk to themPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.405742

>>405726
>he doesn't know about Florida
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 No.405753

>>405742
What about it?
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 No.405781

>>398781
>>398782
already addressed these points above. these are literal incels coming up with coping mechanisms.
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 No.405842

So, if all the chinlets were to be given free HRT drugs they might not commit so many murders.


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 No.404513[Reply]

I just found this article. Let's discuss it

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/02/the-post-dirtbag-left

>For years, “Chapo Trap House” and other podcasts have paired anti-capitalist ideas with the rhetorical style of social media. Is a new form emerging?
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 No.404978

I really don't want to get a New Yorker article, can I get a tldr?
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 No.405808

people get paid to write this bullshit
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 No.405812

>>405808
Especially when you write it on the mainstream media.
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 No.405828

>>405808
And CTH get paid to talk their bullshit. Wow, it's almost like we live in a *capitalist* society and people will monetize anything and everything they can to make money. Got anymore stunning insights?
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 No.406397

>>404513
>le scumbag left
sage


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 No.405303[Reply]

North and South Korea agree to restore communication channels, improve ties
The two leaders agreed to “restore mutual confidence and develop their relationships again as soon as possible,” Blue House spokesman Park Soo Hyun said in a televised briefing. Park said the two Koreas subsequently reopened communication channels on Tuesday morning.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/north-and-south-korea-agree-to-restore-communication-channels.html

Biden, Kadhimi seal agreement to end U.S. combat mission in Iraq
U.S. President Joe Biden and Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi sealed an agreement on Monday formally ending the U.S. combat mission in Iraq by the end of 2021, but U.S. forces will still operate there in an advisory role.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-kadhimi-seal-agreement-ending-us-combat-mission-iraq-2021-07-26/

Communist Party plans pickets across Russia after election officials reject Pavel Grudinin’s State Duma candidacy
The deputy chairman of the party’s Central Committee, Vladimir Kashin, told Open Media that pickets are planned for July 30 and 31, as well as August 1. The KPRF also plans to seek permission to hold rallies on August 14 and 19, and on September 1. “If the rallies are not authorized, then we have working mechanisms to get around these bans. There will be Reds in the cities,” Kashin said.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/07/27/communist-party-plans-pickets-across-russia-after-election-officials-reject-pavel-grudinin-s-state-duma-candidacy
https://archive.is/GmWom

Banning Navalny’s website is ‘unacceptable’ & officials are abusing power against opposition figures – Senior Russian Communist
With a parliamentary vote just around the corner, the authorities are abusing their power and Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.405605

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>>405303

>American capacity for imperial projection starts faltering in a slow but unmistakable pattern

>North and South Korean relations almost immediately improve
Really makes me think
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 No.405615

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Thanks news anon
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 No.405645

What are the Russian communists like these days? How are they viewed?
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 No.405683

>>405645
joke party for boomers, though some of the younger folks are a bit more radical apparently
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 No.405796

>>405683
We can only hope them doing more actions against the party… Will lead to more sympathy from the working class.


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 No.399781[Reply]

I think that one of the most important components of the capitalist propaganda machine is something that I call "deserved wealth" (there's probably a marxist term that is more accurate but I'm not aware of it). Basically the fact that most people think that guys like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates fully deserve the incommensurable wealth they have, because they worked harder, because they're intelligent, because they did "x" thing that most people couldn't do etc.

The myth is powerful because when people are poor they blame themselves instead of the capitalist exploitative system "If I was smarter I could be rich" "If I worked much harder I could stop being poor" etc this kind of thought basically shields capitalism from every single criticism because as long as there's people who "made it" it will always be your fault if you live like a dog, and as a happy side effect people will "work harder" for Porky because they think that working more and more hours and being more productive is the way to attain wealth.

How to debunk this myth in simple terms? If people realized that regardless of what they do the possibility of them becoming rich is extremely low more people would join the socialist camp, liberating proles from their alienation is the way to achieve revolution.
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 No.401403

>>401374
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obshchina
It was another word for Община
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 No.401416

>>401403
weird, never used it or heard anyone use it like that, but thanks
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 No.402991

>>401182
>>401363
It's not the nazi just wrote gibberish
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 No.405751

>>399781 (OP)
Kropotkin did it in "The Conquest of Bread"

> Take, indeed, a civilized country. The forests which once covered it have been cleared, the marshes drained, the climate improved. It has been made habitable. The soil, which bore formerly only a coarse vegetation, is covered to-day with rich harvests. The rock-walls in the valleys are laid out in terraces and covered with vines bearing golden fruit. The wild plants, which yielded nought but acrid berries, or uneatable roots, have been transformed by generations of culture into succulent vegetables, or trees covered with delicious fruits. Thousands of highways and railroads furrow the earth, and pierce the mountains. The shriek of the engine is heard in the wild gorges of the Alps, the Caucasus, and the Himalayas. The rivers have been made navigable; the coasts, carefully surveyed, are easy of access; artificial harbours, laboriously dug out and protected against the fury of the sea, afford shelter to the ships. Deep shafts have been sunk in the rocks; labyrinths of underground galleries have been dug out where coal may be raised or minerals extracted. At the crossings of the highways great cities have sprung up, and within their borders all the treasures of industry, science, and art have been accumulated.


> Whole generations, that lived and died in misery, oppressed and ill-treated by their masters, and worn out by toil, have handed on this immense inheritance to our century.


> For thousands of years millions of men have laboured to clear the forests, to drain the marshes, and to open up highways by land and water. Every rood of soil we cultivate in Europe has been watered by the sweat of several races of men. Every acre has its story of enforced labour, of intolerable toil, of the people’s sufferings. Every mile of railway, every yard of tunnel, has received its share of human blood.


< …


> Science and industry, knowledge and application, discovery and practical realization leading to new discoveries, cunning of brain and of hand, toil of mind and muscle — all work together. Each discovery, each advance, each increase in the sum of human riches, owes its being to the physical and mental travail of th
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 No.405776

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>yeah I'm gonna take all your shit and give it to the poor


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 No.405355[Reply]

So I've been reading multiple economics books cause I feel like college didn't do much for me in regards to that and then I got to Capital to see why communists and socialists were so fervent.

Needless to say this book converted me. So here I am. Gonna finish this and volume 2 and 3.
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>>405355
>Needless to say this book converted

Based.
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 No.405540

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Nice to hear, OP, I do hope this post is genuine. Don't just read Marx as an economist, by the way, as he was certainly not restrained to that discipline.

Reading works like "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" by Engels and some of Paul Cockshott's works really opened my eyes early on (even if i now find myself disagreeing with much of Cockshott, for example), so maybe check those out. Of course Lenin is also indispensable. You don't have to read all three volumes of Capital before getting into these, by the way. I would maybe even go so far as to recommend that you read other works by Marx and Engels before volumes 2 and 3, as a matter of fact, since some important aspects of the "critique of political economy" are discussed more extensively in other places, and these might come in handy when thonkin about Capital.

Don't forget we have a sticky thread for reading list shit and an entire (sadly underused) board for discussing books and theory at >>>/edu/, which has spawned a couple reading groups, one of which I think has been reading (or recently read) Capital.
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 No.405617

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>>405540
>even if i now find myself disagreeing with much of Cockshott, for example
care to elaborate?
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 No.405625

>>405378
I actually didn't read the manifesto until much later.
>>405540
Adding to this, I think Marx's equally important contribution that is very much glossed over is his philosophical breakthrough. It makes sense since it's hard to understand and he wrote very little on it.
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 No.405736

>>405355
Not even Marx finished Volumes 2 and 3.


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 No.403036[Reply]

Receptionists, inventory managers, government bureaucrats. Mindless droolers doing useless repetitive tasks that can be easily automated with 80s level software. Why do they exist? To babysit the general public until all important jobs are shipped to SEA? Even some STEM jobs are absolutely useless, any programmer adding useless bloat for company websites via a CMS is in this same category for me. I thought capitalism was about effeciency and rational use of ressources?
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 No.405501

>>403036
>I thought capitalism was about effeciency and rational use of ressources?
well, kinda, you just always have to ask "efficiency of what?"
Capitalism tends to rationally use ressources and be efficient purely for the goal of increasing profit, outside of that imperative, not so much.
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 No.405555

>>403036
>I thought capitalism was about effeciency and rational use of ressources?
Legal fetishism flows naturally from neoliberalism because the law is what formalizes the market's rules and handles disputes among market actors, it is the ideology of Rechtstaat.
Now when you apply the market logic to everything… The consequence is that you now need a bunch of people to mediate between different parties just like in a legal situation, so you get "bullshit jobs".
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 No.405561

>>403036
>bullshit jobs
Mmmph
>instead of "not profitable jobs"
You, burgers, had a so wonderful life, you could fake a socialist state* in the job sector: Many of non-productive jobs, titles, specializations, etc were created, that now the U.S. superiority is succumbing, now the only jobs you care, you argue in favor of, is those that actually create profit.

*: In the sense of not going for driven profits decisions on what to study.
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 No.405631

>>404374
This. Bullshit jobs only exist for people with friends and family that will give the jobs to them. If you're an average dude without connections, you can't get bullshit jobs except low pay crap like Uber Eats deliverer.
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 No.405636

If you allow proles to have free time they might use some of it to think and get unauthorized ideas. They also won't be earning a wage, which they need in order to buy commodities.


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 No.388685[Reply]

Hey lads,

I've been reading a lot of post-left anti-work and post-civ stuff lately. I've decided that my life goal is to escape wage slavery as soon as possible. I actually went ahead and put in my two weeks' notice today; unfortunately it's just to go to a slightly less shittier job—I'll still be a 9–5 drone albeit with better pay, PTO, and actually simply working 9–5/no weekends instead of 9–6 and weekends.

Anyways, how does one escape wageslavery? I've analyzed some options and they all seem unappealing to me. Here goes:

>FIRE

This option depends on hyperinflation not happening, society not collapsing, the USA economy keeping steady for a few decades, and so forth. Too risky, and you still have to waste away your youth and wageslave until your 40's while living like a miser. It's the "safe" option, but no guts, no glory?

>NEET

Not really an option because my parents won't support me. Plus, I don't want to live with my parents as an adult. Lastly, I'd rather take a more proactive approach to achieving freedom than languishing away at home.

>Illegalism

Based, but in the end it's working all the same. Being a drug dealer is like running a small business, only you have to deal dangerous customers as a bonus. Learning how to hack/fraud/etc. would take the same if not more effort than learning how to code and getting a non-illegal tech job.

Does /leftypol/ have any ideas? How the fuck do we escape slavery?
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 No.402700

>anti-work thread
If it weren't for how retardedly long this OP is, I'd think this ridiculousness was /pol/ bait.
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 No.402705

>>402700
>inb4 wagie
Wage Labour and work are not equivalent. They Wage labour is a type of work, but that does not mean all work is wage labour or that work itself is bad. Reading a book or creating a sculpture is also work.
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 No.405223

>>388984
use better suited species and cultivars, rethink your irrigation system
adapt and overcome bitch, you're already on the right track
also you can eat the grasshoppers
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 No.405292

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>>388685
Most un-Proletarian of you EgoAnon
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 No.405606

>>405223
i did eat the grasshoppers… theyre not very tasty and its not like i'm some pioneer who needs to make it work so i stopped eating them

there's not really anything suited here, but also i dont think u get how destructive pests are. Even native plants are fucked this year. The only things with some green on them are well established bushes and trees, gumweed, tumbleweeds, and prickly lettuce. Basically the most weedy, least desirable plants.

this land is naturally just grasses and dirt… so well suited cultivars is kind of useless, no matter what I plant it's not really suited, but sometimes it works. This year was just exceptional with the heat and insane number of pests (like 3 grasshoppers per grass stalk in some areas numbers).


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 No.385928[Reply]

How did the Soviets deal with Islam? Especially in regards to women rights?
How did islamic populace react?
How were they able to make them only keep some minor spooky stuff while effectively ban the most reactionary element?
Did they ban the Hijab and child marring stuff?
Any source?
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 No.400672

>>388019
travel to the ME and get beheaded, please. the left would benefit hugely from getting rid of its spooked reactionary apologist libs.
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 No.400691

>>388019
>the CIA disapproves of religious conservatism ideologically, or they have clashing material interests, therefore the CIA's purpose is to fight islam, therefore supporters of the CIA should support that goal, which is surprising, because communists are supposed to align ideologically or materially with religious conservatism (?), yet they appear to do so less than supporters of the CIA!
no, i can't even piece together what your argument was even supposed to be. take your meds, schizo.
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 No.400693

>>388019
also,
<ignoring the CIA funded the mujahideen in its war against the soviet union
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 No.405463

Any books?
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 No.405593

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 No.405028[Reply]

Are we ever going to get a modern day MLK/Malcolm X/Huey? Now I know you're thinking "blacks already have rights" but what really made these guys important to me was their anti capitalist stance. BLM just isn't doing it for me tbh.
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 No.405429

>>405028
>but what really made these guys important to me was their anti capitalist stance
What made them immortal was their assasinations. If they had grown old and embarassing, it would've been a whole other story.
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 No.405559

>>405429
This, there's a reason no one cares about Bobby Seale anymore.
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 No.405574

>>405268
Eh, maybe. I guess both approaches have their tradeoffs.
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 No.405577

>>405284
How exactly would that work with an organization that does not hold state power?
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 No.405592

>>405429
This. Look at Angela Davis


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