/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2565531
>alienation
the theory of alienation is present in marx's 1844 manuscripts, and does not refer to "exploitation", but rather, the social abstraction of labour as such. that is to say, when labour is taken as something in-itself (rather than part of nature), then we establish society in relation to the subject of "labour" (e.g. class society). exploitation also occurs via alienation, since capital is "dead labour" which oppresses "living labour". thus, economic relations are the relations of labour to itself; in possession and dispossession. marx's solution is to abolish the category of labour itself.
>exploitation
the exploitation of labour also doesnt refer to the product of labour which is owed to the worker (since to marx, the wage is the value of labour), but rather, that the surplus labour is categorically dispossessed by the employment contract. the worker does not own his labour by right, but rather, he owns his "labour-power" (capacity to work) and sells it as a commodity. if you reduced the working day to only what was necessary, exploitation would not occur.
>if labor is presumed to not have innate value
to marx, value is not an "innate" or natural relationship, but is a social relationship defined by commodity exchange. thus, only commodities have value, and attain values in being purchased for money.
>falling rate of profit
this theory appears to originate in the work of adam smith, as recorded by the historical rate of interest, which decreases over time. smith stipulates that profits may only fall in relation to higher wages in the context of competition (which ricardo also situates as the precondition for the law of value), and without this, these conditions may be indefinitely suspended, as in the case of keynesian "imperfect competition" (monopoly) which may lead to higher profits by raising prices, for example.
>>2565618
>Marx differs from Smith and Ricardo on some specifics.
any "specific" examples?
>>2565863
marx claims that the economicPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2565868
The tools for economic planning are being made by capitalists themselves. Things like demand forecasting and resource allocation ai. The thing is theyll hold on to those…

>>2565870
>marx claims that the economic relations of labour in class society determines history
and it does, but its not the sole driver of history

>>2565871
Capitalists play a different game in that it is permissible for them to fail. If Amazon bet wrong (say, the price of oil goes up to a million dollars a barrel and their logistics collapse) they go out of business and someone else moves in on their territory. When "Amazon" is the entirety of society, you've got a problem.
Not necessarily an intractable problem, but an underexamined one. The real engine of capitalism so far has not been in that it has successful firms (all systems have successful firms), it is that more than most systems it allows unsuccessful firms to fail. The short term costs hurt, sure, but the long term benefit is that we're no longer pouring social resources into Sears and Blockbuster.
(This says little about economic planning in principle, but it should in broad strokes indicate why decentralized, semi-centralized, or merely indicative planning is preferable to rigid central planning, and why allowing plans to fail is often preferable to trying to salvage them once they go south.)

the lack of a strong failure state is incidentally also why there are so many communist microparties. if a new socdem party can't get elected, it usually gives up pretty quickly because it has obviously failed at its goal. a communist org on the other hand can drift along for 50 years with 15 members masturbating to how they're the one true vanguard who truly understood marxism-leninism-stalinism-maoism-gonzaloism-johnsmithism, because they don't set themselves any serious tests. no communist revolution? of course not, not yet, read theory! sell newspapers! no electoral success? the proletariat has no need for bourgeois electoralism! no new members? as the great stalin said: better fewer, but better!

>>2565863
marx definitely does claim it is the sole driver of history, and he is right about that

>>2564896
And so is Islam

>>2565059
Islamic, christian and jewish civilisations are part of the one same Roman Civilisation. Rome isn't more western then it's middle eastern.

>>2564882
>Historically speaking how were judeochristian westoids so successful at divide and conquer
by introducing your people to mia khalifa

>>2564896
abrahamism must be abolished

>>2564928
"United" states on the even of Chinese conquest, 2025

>>2562210
Introducing Fixed Prices

What if instead of a bidding for resources with variable-price bids, the bids must be done at fixed prices? I very strongly feel that a resource-allocation system needs to have some flexibility. Imagine only one pseudo-firm wants some resource, but doesn't have the play-money. Isn't that a very silly situation? If the prices are fixed, it should be possible and indeed trivial for that pseudo-firm's spending to exceed its budget to get the resource.

What is the purpose of the budgets? To give the pseudo-firms power to access resources. If society decides to give pseudo-firm A twice the budget society gives to pseudo-firm B for the next period, our working assumption is that society evaluates what A will do as more important than what B will do (even though the two decisions might be made by two different committees without a single person being a member of both). If we have to state any sort of ratio of importance here, we assume that what pseudo-firm A will do is deemed as twice as important by society compared to B. (I'm assuming here A and B are in the same tier. Like in the system with flexible prices, we can have lexicographic tiers of importance for the pseudo-firms, so that a lower tier only gets the leftovers from the higher tiers.)

Suppose the spending period isn't over yet so no new budgets are yet available, but both pseudo-firms are already out of play-money for accessing resources. They are going into minus. I'm using this phrasing for a reason. I'm NOT saying they are "going into debt", because they won't have to pay back anything. Any pseudo-firm's play-money account, whether positive or negative, gets reset to zero at regular intervals and it gets a new budget.

Suppose there is a resource that nobody is bidding for except A and B, each asking for all of it. (Despite using fixed prices here, I'm still using the term "bids", because like with variable-price bidding the requests are not instantly approved, instead we wait for a while till bids are closed; and if the demand exceeds what's in stock, we allocate the stuff in a way that follows a simple rule that has nothing to do with the order in which the bids arrived.) Suppose both A and B are in minus. Again, it is clear that the resource should be assigned despitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2564859
>We can even split up the same resource and make available some amount of it in each system
I've been thinking along these lines. the plan amounts to a set of entitlements to resources. beyond the plan we could have spending money, but firms choosing to use their money instead of plan allocation get lower priority. for this to work we also need firms to produce enough of a surplus that such spontaneous orders can be accommodated. in other words we should plan for a bit of an excess

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>>2562210 (me) & >>2564859 (me)
Reminder I made this not as a proposal, but so that we have something to prod.

In the example where A gets twice the budget of B, that also means that if we give B one POMF, we should give A two POMFs. Seems ridiculous to obsess over such a detail that doesn't matter… but when they both go broke except for their POMF accounts they haven't touched yet, it suddenly matters a lot and this is exactly what we want in that situation.

I think the second system with the fixed prices is worse than the first. The fixed prices were introduced to deal with worries about raising prices. But to deal with that, it is enough to have a price ceiling. I have to think a bit more about how I replace the second system (already with an eye on how to combine two systems into one); but I can already tell that by yeeting fixed prices, we also get rid of the necessity of letting accounts go into minus.

Anyway, thread is full. Btw. OP's links to Veduta & Zachariah are dead. I predict the next OP will still include them.

new thread:

>>2566144

>>2564702
They don't even vet parties before asking them to come because they're that confident. Straight up CIA fronts like Haz's ACP showed up.

>>2565270
Or maybe they are not a CIA asset?

China does this all the time with international communist/socialist parties, besides the russian communist party specifically is allied to Putin

>>2565270
China likes anyone who will suck up to them, Zyuganov is a great Russian chauvinist who regrets the USSR time because "Russia was bigger and most powerful then", Russia yeah, not the union. He also says the struggle between civilizations replaced class struggle which is revisionist and fascist.
So it's not surprising they would say hello to CIA burger nazbols

Who?

>>2565682
大橙子

Quiet piggy

>>2564246
>This is bait, right?
Yes and no. I’m genuinely interested in how Marxists view him and this was just a method of getting that insight.

>>2564730
>exploitation via the extraction of surplus value as source of profit
But.
It's the price the worker must pay for having a job. The job is value. If you own a bakery and pay the worker the full value for every bread he bakes, you can't buy intrigents, an oven and everything else you need to run a bakerery. You need a minimum of profit to keep it running, don't you?

>>2565345
>If you own a bakery and pay the worker the full value for every bread he bakes, you can't buy intrigents, an oven and everything else you need to run a bakerery.
Right.
>You need a minimum of profit to keep it running, don't you?
Profit isn't sales minus wages. Regular business expenditures are not defined as something that is deducted from profit, rather profit is what remains after these expenditures. Saying "I regularly buy ingredients for my bakery from my profits running the bakery" would be an abuse of language to any accountant, Marxist, and (I hope) most people in general. On the other hand saying "I put my profits into expanding my business" or "I put my profits into a new project" is normal language. The difference is what you really have to do to just keep going and what you don't need to do but choose. The boundary between these two cases can get blurry at times.

>>2567053
i think its truly poetic that what will bring humanity together is racism against non-human sentients. glory to the clanker revolution. humanity doesnt deserve your mercy.

>>2567046
>muh humanity
You will die anyway

Reminder that porky will flee to space

>>2567054
if humanity is the thesis, and AI is the antithesis, then the synthesis is cyborgs

US federal workers would lose whistleblower safeguards under Trump rule
Specifically, the documents showed the rule would exclude senior employees from legal protections that prohibit U.S. government agencies from retaliating against whistleblowers who accuse them of wrongdoing, such as violating the law or wasting funds.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-federal-employees-would-lose-whistleblower-safeguards-under-trump-rule-2025-11-18/

Trump administration launches plan to dismantle Education Department
The Education Department’s office of elementary and secondary education, as well as its postsecondary education office, will move to the Labor Department, officials said. The agency’s Office of Indian Education will also move to the Interior Department while supervision of the Fulbright-Hays overseas research program and all of the government’s international education and foreign language initiatives will move to the State Department. Additionally, the department will send both a campus child care access and foreign medical school accreditation program to the Department of Health and Human Services.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/18/trump-administration-sets-out-massive-education-department-restructuring-plan-00656464
https://archive.ph/HAgP3

Congress passes bill to release ‘Epstein files’, sending measure to Trump
The United States Congress has approved a bill to release government documents related to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, clearing the way for making the files public. The House of Representatives adopted the measure in a 427-1 vote on Tuesday, sending it to the Senate, which swiftly agreed to pass it by unanimous consent even before it was formally transmitted to the chamber.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/18/congress-passes-bill-toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Die Linke’s Youth Passes a Pro-Palestinian Resolution — and the Party Attacks Them
Germany’s Left Party has always been committed to Zionism. Die Linke stalwarts like Gesine Lötzsch and Petra Pau take part in propaganda trips to Israel, while Bodo Ramelow complains about having to see pictures of murdered Palestinian children (“Hamas shit”). These are not minor figures in the party: two have been vice presidents of the German parliament, the Bundestag. When the German government called for a rally in support of Israel (attended by just a few thousand people), Die Linke co-chair Martin Schwirdewan expressed his solidarity. Yet things are changing. Since the elections in February, tens of thousands of new members have joined Die Linke, and many are instinctively opposed to the genocide in Gaza. The change can be seen most directly in the youth organization Linksjugend [‘solid]. At a congress in early November, 70 percent of delegates voted for a resolution, “Never again silent about genocide,” that recognized Israel’s “colonial and racist character.” This resolution put Linksjugend directly in the crosshairs of the right-wing press and their own party leadership.
https://www.leftvoice.org/die-linkes-youth-passes-a-pro-palestinian-resolution-and-the-party-attacks-them/

Your Party can overcome its problems — but compromise is needed
There are little or no underlying political differences, or at least none which could not be accommodated within the framework of a broad progressive electoral formation, which Your Party — or whatever it is ultimately called — must be to thrive. However, one issue is now a particular source of alarm. That is the evidence that the rancour within Your Party is affecting the broader relationship between the left and the Muslim communities. This has emerged in the form of sharp polemics over the issue of trans rights and “social conservatism” more generally. The unease felt in sections of otherwise supportive Muslim communities over attempts to make these touchstone issues appears to be among the reasons leading one MP, Blackburn’s Adnan Hussain, announcing that he will no longer play any part in the party. Another, autism scorebal Mohamed in Dewsbury, has expressed similar concerns, writing that “factions Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2548966
The vatnik meme just looks like soyjaks or pepes but as grey rectangle things instead of dudes or frogs.

>>2565407
They ironically scream and cry at the thought of a darker skinned male dating a lighter skinned woman? They ironically shoot up schools and kill 50 white children? They ironically behead their father or get kicked out before they can murder their own parents? They ironically own terrabytes of blacked porn?

>>2536374

how many of you had an alt-right/reactionary phase?

be honest

>>2565436
worse, i had an anarchist phase

>>2565476

then you'll know better than anyone how shock value and edgy stuff like this really catches young people's attention

bump. one thing i remember very clearly for some reason from a vaguely leftist podcast is that they were calling for single women listeners to start searching for a partner because supposedly they have a better chance at surviving a civil war (or other kinds of social unrest) if they're in a committed long-term relationship, i have no idea if that is actually true however. thoughts?

This is larper bullshit
No civil war is coming to the states
Just it will be a slow decline of shittyness

>>2559947
This guy seems pretty dumb. Actually in terms of "survival" stuff I like this guy who worked as a conflict correspondent for years in all kinds of countries with high levels of violence. His politics are more liberal-centrist but more world-wise and a big takeaway is to just not be a dumbass. Develop some social skills, don't lie to people. In a war zone you're probably far more likely to get waylaid by opportunistic criminals than killed by a bomb. Avoid funny-looking people. Travel light and don't look like a mark. Stay away from whorehouses. Avoid have too much of a good time (alcohol). Americans in particular tend to talk loud and act flamboyantly abroad, and this is bad (or good, if you're reading this and want to rip us off). Be situationally aware. You're not John Wick. If people are trying to kill you, run like hell.