/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2552410
>he never completely lost his Narodnik influences. This is what the video posted above in >>2552208 is about; Despite its clickbait thumbnail, it's very well-researched and interesting.
Wrong, and Lih rebukes this idea in the first two chapters of the book OP linked. Lenin held up the Erfurt programe.

>>2552140
>Engels & Marx changing their opinions gradually on the colonialism/imperialism question
there wasn't a change of mind, at least in marx's case. there are many early writings where he points out the "injustices" and "unfairness" of imperialism, but he didn't really concern himself with morals, neither while young nor old. his priority was understanding the facts, rather than assigning them a "good" or "bad" label, but most people here are too stupid to notice that, or practice it themselves, too baby-brained

the labor aristocracy thing is one of the most misinterpreted and misquotes by annoying ultras. the word was referring to opportunists that join the labor movement aiming for leadership positions just because they see it as easy money and a way of avoiding getting a real job. retards now think it means when your job involves a desk or a computer

>>2552140
Stalin going from 'socialism in one country is impossible' to 'socialism is possible in one country [and we'll kill you if you disagree]' is always a banger.

Non of these breaks happened holy retard

For the first point Marx already thought colonialism was destruction he just lowkey conceded that ot was historically enviable

>>2552685
>Wrong
you didn't even watch it, also it cites many sources

>>2552836
>Except they did totally escalate
and? you don't telegraph your punches. you say you won't escalate, hoping that they will believe it and maybe not immediately crush you with the national army. think for a second, baby brain, do you also think the bolsheviks were social democrats?

>>2552869
>it was a way of saying "we don't want to escalate this to a national revolt,
<they did escalate though
>And? [strawman and moving the goalpost]
yawn

>>2552873
>they said X but did Y? how can this be!?
baby brain

>>2552877
you cannot read and are angry about nothing.

>>2553237
>there's a reason why Spinoza's excommunication has never been revoked
That is exactly what I tell people.

>>2553176
>he’s trying to extract more semantic information from a system than it formally contains. From a modern computational or information-theoretic standpoint, that looks like violating conservation of information.
>a closed dialectic
Do fractals generate more semantic information then what is contained in their definition? Does that violate conservation of information?
Is an object with a finite area and infinite perimeter closed or open? Closed or open with respect to what? No smuggled assumptions please.

>>2553997
>the clock and the ship to me arent great examples of dialectics because most people conceive of a thing as a sum of its parts.
Yeah it's why I'm not in love with the example myself, but it's just for introductory purposes anyway. What's difficult is that while people get extrinsic identity pretty easily (A is equally defined by Not-A), it's hard to get people to grasp *internal* contradiction as well. So what's nice about the clock parts is how it shows that no identity is a Simple identity, but necessarily takes itself apart; that's the contradiction that can be difficult to get. Transcending theYing Yang antinomies I think most people can understand pretty quickly tho

You get any recommendation about the mathy formal stuff or is that out of your scope? Have you ever encountered anyone who claims that Cantor's diagonal argument is bullshit; or more dramatic yet, that the very concept of infinity in math is bullshit?

>>2554599
Yeah ain't my field of philosophy. More of a question for >>2553176 (who I still need to give a real response to)
I also wonder what he thinks of pic related. Haven't read it yet myself (getting extremely mixed reviews–from high praise to total rejection).

US to demand countries share data on ‘pathogens with epidemic potential’ in return for health aid
A draft template seen by the Guardian, to be used for memorandums of understanding with partner countries, offers funding to tackle diseases such as malaria, TB, HIV and polio, as well as for activities such as surveillance, and laboratory systems and electronic health records. It suggests that countries will be expected to gradually take over funding these areas themselves over the course of the five-year agreements.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/nov/08/us-countries-share-data-pathogens-epidemic-potential-health-aid

Trump tells Senate Republicans to send federal health insurance money ‘directly to the people’
President Donald Trump proposed a compromise on health insurance payments, calling on Republicans to send federal payments that would go to insurers under the Affordable Care Act directly to Americans to bring an end to the government shutdown.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/08/trump-republicans-health-insurance.html

South Korean solar firm cuts pay and hours for Georgia workers as US officials detain imports
Qcells, a unit of South Korea’s Hanwha Solutions, said Friday that it will also lay off 300 workers from staffing agencies at its plants in Dalton and Cartersville, both northwest of Atlanta. The company says U.S. Customs and Border Protection has been detaining imported components at ports on suspicion that they contain materials that may have been made with forced labor in China, meaning it can’t run its solar panel assembly lines at full strength.
https://apnews.com/article/georgia-solar-plant-qcells-furloughs-china-labor-f49d0579e0584d689f1feec36ff16ad1

Trump calls for ACA subsidies to be sent to consumers
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The Great October Socialist Revolution inspires our struggle for a world free from class exploitation and imperialist wars
108 years ago, the victory of the October Revolution demonstrated the power of revolutionary class struggle and paved the way for a society free from exploitation, insecurity, poverty, unemployment and war. It became a turning point in the history of humanity, brought to the fore a superior form of social organization, socialism–communism, which is radically opposed to previous exploitative formations. The socialization of the means of production, centrally planned economy and worker participation represented a profound qualitative leap in social development, delivering significant social achievements for the people. Today, as humanity bleeds and is torn apart by imperialist wars and interventions, the first Decree On Peace issued by the new revolutionary power of the Soviets symbolically illuminates the path that the peoples must forge through their struggle.
https://www.eurcomact.org/m-article/The-Great-October-Socialist-Revolution-inspires-our-struggle-for-a-world-free-from-class-exploitation-and-imperialist-wars/

Scotland, NATO, and imperialism: Is the SNP a “threat to national security”?
The media this week, particularly in Scotland, has been ablaze with claims from – not one, not two, but three – members of Starmer’s cabinet that the elected government in Scotland is a “threat to national security”, due to its position on Labour’s militarism. Such statements were said by defence secretary John Healey in the House of Commons on Monday, again by Scotland secretary Douglas Alexander, and yet again by Deputy Prime Minister David Lammy. Lammy’s remarks came across as particularly patronising. Attempting to calm the situation, the Tottenham Labour MP tried to clarify that his pals’ comments were not aimed at ordinary Scots, but at their leaders. Then, attempting to address concerns that he was perhaps not in a position – from his London constituency – to speak on behalf of Scottish people, Lammy stated that he is actually 5 percent Scottish! For anyone not deluded by their recent 23andMe results, it is clear that claims by Westminster politicians that thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552514
>>2553291
>cryogenics
Yeah right, and then the cryogenics company goes bankrupt and throws your body out into a landfill. LOL.
You seem to have completely missed OP's point, time relative to a point in space, be it another planet to stay on or moon with the combined time of the journey to travel and come back from would pass differently for the subject than it would here back on Earth. Watch interstellar.

test

>>2553830
didn't that cryo company mega fuck up a bunch of its people like chopping their heads off without consent and let bodies rot and other shit

>>2553830

It's been a while since I watched Interstellar and I don't remember it that well because I thought it was a stupid cheesy movie, but IIRC the time dilation they experience in Interstellar was from being on a planet orbiting very close to a rapidly spinning black hole's event horizon; it had nothing to do with the wormhole they passed through to get to the alien planet. A traversable wormhole is just a shortcut, making a line that is "straighter than straight" so to speak and circumventing the speed of light barrier by physically making the distance between the two points shorter by severely distorting the fabric of spacetime. This doesn't involve any FTL magic and does not violate causality because the two endpoints of the wormhole are in the same reference frame. Lets say we figure out how to build a stable traversable two-way wormhole between our solar system and Alpha Centauri, which is 4.3 lightyears away. This means that when you go through the wormhole to Alpha Centauri, you will have effectively travelled 4.3 years into the future. To an observer watching from the Sol side, your spaceship would simply vanish and it would not reappear at Alpha Centauri until 4.3 years later. From your perspective you would arrive at Alpha Centauri instantaneously but when you observe Earth you will see it as it was 4.3 years in the past because that's how long it takes for information to get there without the wormhole. There would be no time dilation or violations of causality and only through the wormhole could communication between these two locations be possible, not through normal space.

There's different schools of thought on this, and wormholes are purely theoretical sci-fi plot devices more than anything else, but I think that if stable traversable wormholes could exist, the two endpoints must by necessity exist in the same reference frame, otherwise the tidal forces between the two asynchronous endpoints would obliterate both the wormhole and any object or information attempting to traverse it. The wormhole must be a static and perfectly synchronized connection between two fixed points in spacetime, it could only exist for a very short time and would require enormous amounts of energy and probably some form of exotic matter that has negative mass to create and maintain a stable traversable tunnel for long enough to allow an object to pass through and reach the other side.

What's stopping America from helping China? A lack of class consciousness and human solidarity among the 99%. And of course the 1% - the capitalists - don't give a shit, because why would they do something unless it directly materially benefits them? Worldwide suffering can only be stopped by worldwide collective action.
>>2524339
Unfortunately superheroes, like most media, are a byproduct of the pro-capitalism zeitgeist so they are never really written with enough nuance to even begin to address the world's problems. The closest you get are indie stories or liberal apologia "I can't solve humanity's problems for them" as if somehow stopping crimes doesn't contradict that https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Peace-on-Earth

>>2487365
>What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?
Americans.

Mary Sheffield will work with AOC and Mamdani to save Detroit.

>>2551058
All Sheffield does is take pics with rappers.

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>>2554314
yo i got new threads too

>>2554137
>America's currency hegemony and world reserve currency status depends on the debt being unpaid
oh, yeah, definitively.
>I already gave you an answer. I'm telling you that petty bourgeois "socialism" is Rooseveltian. It fetishizes small businesses, a return to "fair" competition, and "social welfare" which is the capitalist state letting a few crumbs fall from its table. Scientific socialism realizes this Rooseveltian solution is a temporary band aid on capitalism.
well, if the system don't learn from its past it will make the same mistakes. but you always have to move through the least reactionary path present, at hand.

when the starbies comes out sizzling

>>2554171
i would like to know this info beforehand

Saw it in newsanon's thread

Exclusive: Egypt and Turkey boost support for Sudan's army following RSF capture of el-Fasher

When the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF) seized el-Fasher in Darfur, Egypt did not just see another battle in Sudan’s war, it saw a potential breach in its own defences.

As RSF fighters subject the people of el-Fasher to a litany of abuses, Cairo is reimagining its southern borders as a first line of defence.

The fall of North Darfur’s capital is a turning point. Egypt has always played a part in this war. The Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF), which has been fighting the RSF since April 2023, enjoys a longstanding relationship with Egypt’s military, and Cairo has helped its ally throughout the war.

But the RSF's capture of the Sudanese section of the arid triangle border region that includes parts of Egypt and Libya in June, followed by the horrors of el-Fasher, represents a turning point.

Fearing that, unchecked, the war could spill over its frontiers, the government of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is redrawing its security map, combining military coordination with diplomacy to contain the fallout.

Meanwhile, the SAF and its Joint Forces allies, which were outgunned in el-Fasher by superior weaponry and technology provided by Egypt's ally the United Arab Emirates, is in search of more help, according to Sudanese diplomats who briefed MEE.
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>>2545699
what a soul killing thing to read

Newly built runways and ports offer snapshot of Abu Dhabi's regional ambitions and deepening strategic ties with Israel

From the islands of Socotra in the Indian Ocean to the coasts of Somalia and Yemen, satellite imagery analysed by Middle East Eye reveals a greatly expanded network of military and intelligence bases built by the United Arab Emirates.

This ring of control, in and around one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes, has escalated rapidly since the 7 October Hamas-led attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza.

The UAE’s allies, including Israel and the US, have been party to the creation and expansion of the bases.

Israeli officers have been on the ground in the islands and Israeli radar systems and other military and security apparatus allow the UAE to monitor and thwart attacks launched by the Houthis, the Iran-aligned movement that has fired missiles at Israel in solidarity with the Palestinians and targeted ships going through the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden.

The UAE and Israel have an intelligence-sharing platform known as Crystal Ball, whereby they "design, deploy and enable regional intelligence enhancement” in partnership, according to a slide show designed to promote the pact.

“The relationship between the UAE and Israel was very developed even before formal diplomatic relations were established, but it was kept quiet. Not secret, just quiet,” Alon Pinkas, an Israeli diplomat who served as an adviser to four foreign ministers, told MEE.

The bases have not been constructed on territory formally held by the UAE.
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>>2553594
>Runways and rocks

While work was being carried out on Abd al-Kuri, it was also proceeding apace at Samhah, the smallest of Socotra’s three inhabited islands, located deep in the Arabian Sea.

Satellite imagery shows that the UAE began constructing an airstrip on the island in 2024, with the runway completed in April 2025, alongside the paving of roads and establishment of essential support facilities.

Samhah’s rocky, mountainous terrain does not allow for the easy construction of longer runways, so it is most likely used for rapid, periodic surveillance operations rather than heavy transport. It can receive and operate the Hermes 900 and is able to support electronic reconnaissance and maritime surveillance operations.

The island’s location is ideal for monitoring the maritime passage between the Gulf of Aden and Arabian Sea, through which about 12 percent of worldwide trade passes.

Between 25 March and 4 April 2025, satellite imagery revealed the appearance of a temporary sandbar on the western side of Samhah, which was not visible in previous images seen by MEE. This small sandbar appears to have been formed for temporary marine drainage, a common pattern in isolated military construction projects.

While this was taking place, the Young Star, a Comoros-flagged landing craft with IMO number 1095973, which was most likely being used to unload equipment used to prepare the runway, could be seen anchored off the island’s west coast.

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>>2543719
His account:
https://www.tiktok.com/@z1971rr

Related video. UAE Arabs call for Sudan to be nuked like Hiroshima, sing the name of a guy who's bragged about killing 2k people and tell the Sudanese people they're not worth a hair on MBZ's head.

>>2552864
What you're talking about exists even in centralized organizations. Never in any centralized command structure has/does/can the top leadership tell every lower body the minutia of every single task they need to carry out, and then monitor and enforce those tasks. What centralization is is a division of labor in a way that also fosters coordinated action. The leadership's job is twofold: determine the general strategy to follow, the immediate goals, and what sorts of methods to to follow to achieve the goals, and secondly to communicate this singular message to a variety of smaller bodies whose job it is to apply this unified message. They then need to use their brains too and figure out what that means in practice, for their specific conditions and means. They might all do things slightly differently, with different results, but the beauty of the system is that more or less everyone is moving in the same direction, towards the same goals. If more coordination is needed, it can be set up, either top-down or bottom-up. A tertiary role of leadership is to gather feedback and results from the lower bodies and assess if their directives have been successful or not and why, and then either change direction, or give more refined and granular direction, facilitate coordination, and so on. That's what good leadership does, at least.

>>2552927
>Have you read anything about how politically unstable and violent Chinese history is?
China was quite stable for most of its history, people just read about the civil wars and forget that major wars in China only happened every century or two on average, which is much better than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

Can someone explain to me like I'm retarded why anyone cares about debating these endless discussions on abstract ideas of control???? Like I literally could not give less of a shit about authority/liberty/freedom/power/centralisation/decentralisation/hirearchy/

It all just sounds like whishy washy glittering generality, platitudes, and rhetoric, like does any of this actually matter in material reality????????????????????????? or am I actually fully retarded.

>>2554116
simply put, without a grand narrative, you're fucked when it comes building a coherent movement since people need to believe in something, and marxist believe in reason so you have to constantly argue your positions, it has to do with the jewish and hegelian tradition (i am not making an accusation of any kind, just stating a fact)

Centralization and working with local leaders is not mutually exclusive.
See Cuba.

>>2537941
What if we replaced money with labor coupons? That would be 100% full communism LMAO

>>2554071
I have no good evidence anybody in this thread has actually read Emmanuel's book. (Shitting on "Unequal Exchange Theory" is a /leftypol/ tradition, but usually the targeted authors have been other guys than Emmanuel.) And if one shills for a specific book, but somehow can't give a summary of said book, why should anybody take the recommendation from that person seriously? Since reading books takes time, being for or against reading a specific work is not a symmetric issue. The onus is on people shilling for it. Proper investigation in this context is asking the people claiming to have done the reading, and so far they have not cooperated in the investigation.

>>2554242
Did you post an embed? I'm on an adblocker, so I'm not seeing anything. Just post link.