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The USSR failed as a political experiment exactly because of its internationalist nature and because it suppressed the market mechanisms necessary for the entrepreneurship that generates economic development and social well-being. The USSR fractured exactly because it existed as a coalition of distinct national identities instead of a fully centralized and stable nationalistic project. As a result it splintered into a multitude of weak and irrelevant countries primed for exploitation by the capitalist hegemon. This is why we now see two former communist nations fighting in Ukraine; because the foolishness of Lenin decades prior created an unnecessary national identity which the American intelligence apparatus preyed upon and directed against Russia.

Instead of wasting resources promoting independent revolutions throughout the world, the USSR should have committed to the much wiser project of russification and centralization. It should have expanded it's sphere of influence through direct military conquest and annexation. If they had unified Eurasia under a singular national project they would have become unstoppable. They should also have allowed for the existence of markets and free enterprise, but retained control over banking and finance in order to fully and completely subject these capitalist forces to the totalizing logic of the state's developmental project. This is why China succeeded where the USSR failed. This is also why China will become the undisputed hegemon of the next world order; it is inevitable.
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>>2680859
Wishful thinking

>>2676820
wow the slave owning clerics of tibet were reactionary????

a parallel universe where america is "dengist" would be an improvement (vid related)


>>2681000
Next to the "dead muslims" gore threads? Hilarious for you to claim that rightoids like Islam even though the right ward push since 2012 was because of the Syrian refugee wave lmao



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I've been thinking of creating a thread to help develop ways of communicating general theory to just normal people irl.

A lot of people on the internet are usually doomers that think "the modern prole is brainwashed he'll never achieve class. Consciouaness!", but that is not true. I've meet self-proclaimed conservatives agree with many fundamentals of socialism while not even knowing what the word means.

I think all you have to do is be reasonably respected, use understandable terms, and most importantly, use solid IRL examples they see everyday in their life for reference, because its literally undeniable at that point if they see the exploitation in their own lives.

For example to explain the unnecessary nature of capitalism/consumerism use this:
"Isn't it crazy how there's factories still producing X in the modern day? Imagine how much better the world would be if those factories went towards literally anything useful for society like housing, food, etc".
Or for something like surplus value use this:
"If you think about it, corporate profit is literally just theft. If i produce a X for my company i get payed 20 dollars, but my boss gets a profit of 100 dollars, that means he's taking 80% of my hard earned cash without contributing at all to it, thats literally his only job".
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>>2652627
its a better method of Larping about this shit than the way people usually do, most dudes on this site play pretend central committee while begging the mods to make this place a [INSERT LEFTIST TENDENCY HERE] circlejerk

>>2652504
>help develop ways of communicating general theory to just normal people irl.
this fool thinks class consciousness is when you know theory and the more theory you know the consciousnesser you are. what if I told you there are people out there who haven't read a word of theory and have more class consciousness in theri little finger than you'll ever have?

Threadly reminder that 'class consciousness' isn't an ideology, feeling or some other metaphysical nonsense.

In Marxist theory, class consciousness IS the party. And it is counter opposed to union consciousness, which is the economic struggle without a party to turn it political, thus rendered impotent.

>>2653047
What OP and others discussing is the latter if it isn't clear enough.

lenin said you cant go around converting everyone to socialism



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It becomes imperative for the various strains of infantile left-deviationists (be they the Bordigist armchairs, the dumpster-diving anarchists, or the idealistic voluntarists still clinging to the metaphysics of spontaneity) to immediately confront the sheer magnitude of their historical illiteracy and sign the attached document with the requisite humility.

It is truly fascinating to watch you petty-bourgeois moralists clutch your pearls over actually existing socialism, entirely ignoring that your axioms are derived purely from liberal ideology and fail to account for the material conditions of a besieged proletarian dictatorship attempting to industrialize a plow-based feudal economy into a nuclear superpower in two decades while facing the combined hostility of the entire capitalist world. This dialectic extends inexorably to the PRC as well; for as it has been aptly noted, the productive forces necessary to defend a revolution must be equal to the productive forces attacking it.

Perhaps if you had actually engaged with Capital instead of merely skimming the back cover of The Conquest of Bread or watching CIA-funded video essays, you would comprehend that a revolution is largely the most organized, centralized, and terrifying thing there is. All that crying about "Red Fascism" because the Soviets didn't immediately dissolve the state apparatus while the Wehrmacht was knocking on the door constitutes a counter-revolutionary betrayal of the proletariat.

So please, put down whatever anarchist, leftcom, or revisionist slop you are currently consuming, stop fetishizing failure, and recognize that your "pure" socialism is a phantom; the Real exists only as the profane, this-worldly, dirty-Jewish muck of class struggle. Formally apologize to the General Secretary for your embarrassing lack of theoretical rigor NOW.
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>I AM THE BIG BOY POSTER, I HAVE SOLVED THEORY BY GETTING MAD ONLINE

>>2650032
They don't have to trust anything. It's a question of whether the relations of production can accommodate mutually beneficial relations between different segments of the population. In the USSR they could, in capitalist countries they cannot. Ergo the USSR is more democratic in content than the average capitalist country and represented an important step towards proletarian democracy even if it was imperfect. To say that they just "replaced one class with another" ignores the fact that bureaucrats aren't a class, and even if they were this would be a class with an entirely different relationship to the proletariat as compared to capitalists.

>>2648087
LMAO look at the OP not replying to this one

>>2649559
THIS!
One of the most formative Marxist text I ever read. Short to. Could carry a copy of dozens to just hand out whenever a comrade says something fucking cringe (happens constantly)

You know your ideology is moribund when you are consumed with defending political decisions made 90 years ago for a state which stopped existing 35 years ago that no IRL worker today gives a flying fuck about



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2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD WITH ESTIMATES REACHING QUADRUPLE THAT NUMBER

tactical placedholder thread - edeshen

Previous archived threads:
https://archive.ph/dDpTN
https://archive.ph/5s7Ek
>>2644990 (archive it when it's full)

Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.

Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!

>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”


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>israel openly claiming they have agents on the ground arming sectarians and shooting civilians
>posters itt mocking it as a conspiracy

>>2648177
^ This

>>2649278
irakkki op doesn't want a better op to be made

>>2649202
>2) P-bourgs who want to see the market open up even at the cost of loss of sovereignty.
these same people also orchestrated the 1979 revolution, retard. They installed the current government into power. Petit bourgeois support (bazaaris) has been the backbone of the islamist voter base from the beginning.

Arak soviet status as we speak?



 

The Palestine movement failed miserably to stop the genocide because the movement is largely one of SYMBOLIC politics, not one of instrumental politics. It’s not about the Palestinian people but about angry western youth letting off steam. This exact BDS movement has become about self-righteous zoomers showing off how “virtuous” they are by boycotting Starbucks and Coke, never mind that boycotts are supposed to be a militant tactic and weapon to attack an enemy head-on. The campus protests from 2024 were also aimless and did nothing except get a bunch of students and professional activists arrested. Makes sense that NYU banned criticism of Zionism right afterwards.

Let this be known for the next time the world is thrown into a state of crisis.
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>>2641733
I've noticed this a lot too.

>>2641733
And funny enough, the American left has done nothing to help Palestine because it's in no position to do so. Boycotts didn't stop the genocide. Neither did millions of TikTok vids and IG reels. Neither did "escalating" every weekend during protests.

>>2660539
B-b-but muh needle! It's moving!

Look how much backlash Israel is getting for
bombing Gaza
systematically targeting vital infrastructure
openly and inequitably declaring their genocidal intent and settler colonial goals
systematically targeting journalists
systematically dismantling the hospitals
preventing humanitarian aid from entering the strip
banning the UNRWA and torturing their personnel to obtain bogus confessions
preventing international journalists from entering the strip
openly and inequitably declaring their intent to commit warcrimes towards Palestinians and prisoners
openly defending the evidence of doing so in spades
openly and inequitably declaring their intent to annex the west bank, then doing so de facto
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>>2660543
Palestine is over. It's done. Iran is about to be bombed by the US and the IRI overthrown. Who provides the Palestinian resistance with weapons and aid now? Qatar? Turkey? You think they care that much? Gaza will be colonized and thousands of Palestinians will be flown out of Gaza to wherever. The western left wasted 60 fucking years on this cause and it resulted in nothing.

>>2660547
Turkey has regional interests in Palestine so we’ll see.



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Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived. I feel like I'm going insane and I wanna know if the people here might be more sympathetic to what I'm trying to get at

Studies have shown: something like 1-10% of people are pedophiles. Pedophiles aren't inherently child abusers, in fact the majority of people who sexually abuse children are not attracted to minors sexually or romantically but are getting off on the exploitation of someone vulnerable they have power over, usually parents or people known to a child and not strangers. People from vulnerable categories (trans, gays, foreigners etc.) get scapegoated as child abusers but are actually more likely to have this kind of abuse perpetuated on them

4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful. Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project

Is it fair to say at this point it's pretty clear that a significant portion of MAGA are self-hating pedophiles who genuinely believed Dementia Don would get rid of child abusers, trying to blame liberal elites as the sole perpetrators of this abuse as a form of absolving themselves from their own attraction, when in truth it's the entire yankee ruling class who take part in this type of systemic abuse and the spectre of the stranger danger baby snatcher is a political cudgel carefully crafted for the sake of deflection

I feel like at this point half of them are at the point where they're defending child rape while the other half are schizoposting about how none of it is real. I feel like I'm going crazy. Can I get some other perspectives here instead of just getting shut down? If I'm terribly wrong then that's that but at least tell me why..
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>>2681790
god that's an insane tree, to think that it all stemmed from a japanese guy making php tutorials lmfao

>>2679170
Where do you draw the line, maturity never ends until you die and setting the age of consent at 25 for 'brain development' is just absurd enforced inceldom on mass scale.

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>>2681790
>>2681797
note: Leftypol's software is a lainchan fork (see the bottom of this page) and my name is only there because I was the active maintainer at the time that graph was made.

daily reminder to leave vichan behind

>>2681783
he did correctly predict that moot was on the epstein files though. hes not a complete schizo-moron

* and the year is completely wrong - /leftypol/ was made in Sept 2014 and leftypol.org was launched in late Dec 2020 (Bunkerchan was in 2016 - that used LynxChan software)

https://web.archive.org/web/20141011135403/https://8chan.co/leftypol/res/5.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20201226115934/http://leftypol.org/leftypol/
http://web.archive.org/web/20161012114559/http://www.bunkerchan.xyz/



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>>2675091
>Labour
well, at least they tried.

What is the context of this document? It makes little sense by itself.

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I doubt One Nation will get a direct mention, but if they do, it'll be a real fukkin go.

>>2675105
It's a list of people Epstein and friends were potentially looking to blackmail and/or had already blackmailed w/ possible dirt that could be used against them. So the implications could be huge or nothing at all.

The rest of it seems to be someone else trying to let people know about it by going through one specific bit of dirt and attempting to contact specifically Rex Patrick and…

>>2675129
Pauline Hanson…?

It is a bit weird, but honestly it just goes to show how far this all goes

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"There are too many left wing gays running Mardi Gras" says the token gay in the liberal party
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-05/liberal-calls-for-mardi-gras-funding-review-afterparty-cancelled/106309430

>>2681756
M O R E 👏 R I G H T 👏 W I N G 👏 G A Y S



 

https://syria.liveuamap.com/

That's all folks!

Now look at Israel just taking away massive pieces of land from Syria while the islamists are sleeping, curious.
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>>2681166
>Rojava and the anarchist state is now working with and integrated with the ISIS state of jolani because fucking Lindsy graham made a phone call ??
stop smoking drugs.

>>2680867
Kurds did it to themselves, they have no one to blame but themselves for fighting against Bashar and being tools of american imperialism.

SDF general's last words - PLEASE HELP US ISRAEL WAAAAAAAAAA, BIJI BIJI ANARCHISTAN!!!(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2681437
>>2681440
Thanks for your interesting and informative input, anon.
This was sarcasm. Website for mentally ill short-bus children, istg..

>>2681437
>they have no one to blame but themselves for fighting against Bashar
There was virtually no fighting between the Syrian government and SDF.



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spaceflight doesn't seem very popular among leftists recently. what does /leftypol/ think about it? are the moon and mars just playthings for billionaires? will china do anything differently? is socialist thought relevant to future lives beyond earth or is it all just a scifi obsession?
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>>2681736
There would've been no littering the orbit with satellites had the world listened to them earlier…

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Its too late to start now…

>>2681721
Earth’s orbit is liberal dominated for now, but that will change later.
>>2681728
>There is literally nothing out there
Except literally everything that we know to exist, including us.
>>2681735
>You know the only people who are interested in going to space are the same people who hate Earth.
Nonsense. I think just applies to people actively going into, or trying to go into, space in the current moment.


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I am in favor of sending all sci-fi fags to space. You are all bad people and it would be good to rid the world of you. The real issue is if we put all you bad people into space, you're going to start dropping things on us as has been predicted in numerous sci-fis. It is easier and better to just kill you.



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Having declared independance in 1991, Somaliland had long saught international recognition, but despite it's relatively stable governance, this never worked, sure they managed to get a few deals with other countries, Notably Taiwan and Ethiopia, it had never managed to get formal recognition.
Until Now, as Israel becomes the first country to officially recognize Somaliland.
Somaliland has an extremly strategic position as the entry of the Black Sea, Israel would probably desire an ally in the region in order to counter the Houthis, especially now that the officially Yemeni government has all but collapsed.
But Israel has also mentionned Somaliland as a place to deport the Palestinians.
This recognition is also part of a series of diplomatic victories for Somaliland, Ethiopia, Taiwan and the USA are also considering recognition.
It can be wondered if Israel has lifted the taboo over recognising Somaliland and if other countries will follow it in its recognition.
As for Somalia, it will contest it diplomatically, but it can hardly do anything, as it's embroiled in a civil war.
But not all is rosy for Somaliland, as it doesn't control all the territory it claims, as the de facto independant state of Puntland managed to take over border territories in Khamuto State. Tensions in the region are also rising between Eritrea and Ethiopia as the latter threatens to invade the former in order to regain the sea access it had lost in 1991. While Ethiopia is Somaliland's most important ally, Somaliland might want to also want to distance themselves from an ally that aggressively desires sea access.
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>>2637732
holy based

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Materialist explanation for this level of coonery?

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lol
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>>2637730
This is the fault of the international muslim community and the muslim nations for not recognizing Somaliland first, so Epstein jewed his way into it and now they will cling to the only state that did recognize them. A drowning man will grab a snake.
Islamo-Zionism, no contradiction.



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