/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2368877
Anon look at the shit that's happening now, then ask yourself how people would have reacted pre-election if you had told them. They would have called you insane.
It's not fearmongering, it's just happening. We're in it now.
It won't be literally everyone in the same way it wasn't everyone in Nazi Germany. It will just be a lot.

>>2368887
>>2368883
even without the funding theyve been freely locking up citizens, this shit will militarize them more than the pigs

>>2368845
Let's be serious the Democrats do not really need public funding.

>>2368509
Excellent

>>2368845
>kamala is asking you
She can't even ask me herself?

Here is Malcolm X being asked about Zionism and whether it is comparable with Black Nationalism in 1963

>>2360589
SILENCE CRACKKKER

>>2255878
Does anyone have the original webm of the leftist movements? Without the monke edit. It was originally posted on Leddit, I think.

>>2368301
SHIT! Forgot flag! My bad, guys.

>>2368301
You can't win as an antizionist in NYC lol

Even if he wins, which is unlikely to be permitted, he'll be a disappointment. Because none of the shit he's promising can be done if the burgeoisie, the party or the higher governments oppose it. And they do. So at best Mamdani will be sharpening the contradictions a bit.
Like, if Zohran was anywhere near as radical in his program as you autists demand, not only he could not run to begin with, but he could not even implement that policy even if he won.

Sorry your milquetoast succdem populist looks like a one man revolution in your capitalist dystopia of a city, but he isn't. And he certainly isn't saving you from the bourgeoisie either. In fact, the blowback is gonna make you want Eric Adams back with how hard the Zionist and the rich are gonna hit you back.

>>2368523
NYC is gonna be fine. It was fine ind De Blasio and it was fine under Adams. NYC will endure no matter what the real estate lobby claims it wants to do. Learn how NYC works first. The real estate lobby is the biggest lobby in NYC. If they actually make good with leaving NYC that’ll lead to a massive collapse in land prices which will make the land in New York stupidly cheap. NYC is not Silicon Valley nor is it reliant on tech jobs. Of the private sector jobs in NYC the biggest ones are retail like MACYS and Target Costco’s etc. There are no Walmart within the five boroughs. Wall Street can’t just up and make all their financial service offices disappear overnight to a new “Wall Street” that shit is not gonna happen. NYC is not the Midwest. If real estate moguls leave, land gets cheap, small businesses can now afford the land for their businesses, credit becomes easier to come by because of lower prices.

What realistically will happen is the the big lobby groups will want to negotiate with Mamdani, if Mamdani is truly based he will not negotiate anything less than what he’s demanding in which case the lobby groups might actually try and leave(good for New Yorkers) but what will most likely happen is that Mamdani will find a middle ground between the big lobbies and his policies.

>>2367909
class struggle for what?

>>2368042
F A S T A N D F R E E

>>2363816
And yet these fuckers still cant manage to win an election, at best barely. Looking forward i'm not so sure that the pretence of democratic rule is something they're invested in enough to uphold by and use the streamlined and formalised not-a-coup™ processes they've created.

vietnam status?

>>2363817
Angkor Wat will be Thai again, and not just a shitty replica in the Royal Palace!!!

>>2365902
Why do you post like this?
If you don't have anything to say why do you not just say nothing?

>>2365902
Poised to take over Cambodia for good this time.

marx's "subjective" theory of value?
>The person objectifies himself in production, the thing subjectifies itself in the person; [9] in distribution, society mediates between production and consumption in the form of general, dominant determinants; in exchange the two are mediated by the chance characteristics of the individual.
>Thus production, distribution, exchange and consumption form a regular syllogism; production is the generality, distribution and exchange the particularity, and consumption the singularity in which the whole is joined together. This is admittedly a coherence, but a shallow one. Production is determined by general natural laws, distribution by social accident, and the latter may therefore promote production to a greater or lesser extent; exchange stands between the two as formal social movement; and the concluding act, consumption, which is conceived not only as a terminal point but also as an end-in-itself, actually belongs outside economics except in so far as it reacts in turn upon the point of departure and initiates the whole process anew.
>a product becomes a real product only by being consumed. For example, a garment becomes a real garment only in the act of being worn; a house where no one lives is in fact not a real house; thus the product, unlike a mere natural object, proves itself to be, becomes, a product only through consumption. Only by decomposing the product does consumption give the product the finishing touch; for the product is production not as objectified activity, but rather only as object for the active subject; (2) because consumption creates the need for new production, that is it creates the ideal, internally impelling cause for production, which is its presupposition.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm
>Lastly nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
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marx's criticism of the LTV:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch19.htm
>That which comes directly face to face with the possessor of money on the market, is in fact not labour, but the labourer. What the latter sells is his labour-power. As soon as his labour actually begins, it has already ceased to belong to him; it can therefore no longer be sold by him. Labour is the substance, and the immanent measure of value, but has itself no value. In the expression “value of labour,” the idea of value is not only completely obliterated, but actually reversed. It is an expression as imaginary as the value of the earth.
so to marx, labor is not a commodity, but only an abstract substance. it therefore has no value since it cannot be sold; only labor power can be sold and therefore possesses a value.
>What economists therefore call value of labour, is in fact the value of labour-power, as it exists in the personality of the labourer, which is as different from its function, labour, as a machine is from the work it performs.
so to marx, the "personality" of the laborer is of utmost consideration, since it is this economic subject which first initiates the sale of labor power and of whom is maintained by his value in the wage.
>The value of his labour-power may vary, with the value of his usual means of subsistence, from 3 to 4 shillings, or from 3 to 2 shillings; or, if the value of his labour-power remains constant, its price may, in consequence of changing relations of demand and supply, rise to 4s. or fall to 2s. He always gives 12 hours of labour. Every change in the amount of the equivalent that he receives appears to him, therefore, necessarily as a change in the value or price of his 12 hours’ work.
marx makes ambiguous comments here as far as it regards the value of labor power. disequilibrium is presupposed, and so the wage has variability. he seems to be saying that the wage is itself the form of labor power's value (according from the workers' "usual means of subsistence"), and so labor power's value is conditional upon its relative price (in other words, like all commodities, it possesses no inherent worth). he also criticises adam smith in this respect:
>This circumstance misled Adam SmithPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2365745
> capital only has a claim to production once we get into the most sophisticated machines, but even then, their productive capacity can be categorised as a type of labor rather than capital, in the strict sense
ownership of means of production is not a form of labor. if you mean labor of superintendence of task delegation, that does not require ownership of stock or exorbitant pay to perform.

>>2367916
no, i am saying that once you have robots that perforn the same work as humans held as capital stock, then capital and labor become conceptualy intermingled. can means of production become autoproductive? the value which the capitalist brings is not superintendence, but the capital stock itself; thats why there is always incentive for investment. keynes also concurs that capital itself has marginal utility, meaning that at a certain gradient, too much money invested leads to diminished returns (this is also why government money holes dont fix problems, because the capital they invest is largely unproductive).

>>2367916
>>2367924
marx's crisis theory of capital is technically correct therefore; that the business cycle occurs due to the diminished returns on capital, leading to overproduction, or underconsumption. as marx also notes, this is only possible with monopoly and/or state partnership in business. when capital concentrares, it outcompetes labor, leading to unemployment. this is a sustauned disequilibrium.

>>2367160
>be right but it doesn't represent any shift away from how the Soviet economy worked under Stalin.
what you talking about the Kosygin reforms changed the economy.

>>2364681
>i don't like it 100% unlike biden so it's a hecking stalinism.
Succdems, always being catty bitches.

>>2367217
>Kosygin reforms
>1965
So Khrushchev era was socialism

>>2367369
yes

>>2367369

Khrushchev broke a lot of Stalin era institutions but didn't really have time to cement replacements. The k-l reform really foes cement the basic features that lead to the restoration of capitalism.

>>2367496
LMAO what a bunch of fucking idiots

>>2367719
wait until you get laid off lmao

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>>2367445
Also there were multiple waves of Cuban migrants. Not all of them were anti-castro. The first waves were anti-Castro. The subsequent waves were just dodging the declining standard of living caused by the embargo.

Complete bullshit. Most post-soc boomers agree that socialism was better, they were robbed during the transition, and now they barely survive on their pensions.

I'm guessing OP has a reactionary daddy. My parents are pretty based.

>>2362604
You are describing ruling class people, not working class people. For the working class, the reaction meant severe deprivation. Boomers are pretty based on the zigger side, and while I don't know much about the Nazi side, these people definitely didn't have it better than the burgers who sell their houses for a 20x markup and go on world cruises.

>>2362604
I mean imagine basically living in a capitalist society but the heads of your state call it socialism because your wagie job is employed to the state rather than Beff Jezos (you literally still have a boss and a 8-12 hour shift and everything lmao) and your grand trade off for this is a shitty subsidized apartment, a shitty car it took ten years to acquire, can’t listen to rock and roll or watch any film with Hollywood level funding, you live in a country culturally and socially trapped in 1950, horror movies don’t exist (lmfao) and even though you are an engineer in the grand “socialist” proletarian freedom paradise your quality of life (what you have access to) is literally lower than an engineer in the US has; your country, which is supposedly a more advanced stage of society than that of the West, is literally constantly playing catchup in terms of consumer luxuries and quality of living, all your economic metrics copy the West anyway (lmfao) and the only technologies that do outstrip the West are nonsense that bring prestige to the state and no tangible benefits to you personally, like enough nukes to sterilize the planet (planetary extinction is one of the grandest ambitions of AES!) and laughable “space travel” that goes nowhere for both sides of the Berlin Wall; to top it off, like 35 years after “AES” decided to become a normal “actually existing” capitalist regime, you have some retarded ass zoomer born and bred in the United States telling you how great it was, for you, to be a wage slave to the state rather than a wage cuck to Beff Jezos, except, you remember, that dumbass zoomer is a fucking loser and dumbass while you were a paid and trained engineer that would have been living better had you been born elsewhere, such as the US, UK, Japan, etc, and you genuinely don’t give a fuck that a poor unskilled worker would be better off in the USSR than the USA

Of course, you don’t know you didn’t even live in a socialist society but rather a long failed attempt at socialism that spent half its history playing catchup to long established, much wealthier capitalist societies that never existed in denial of their own nature, so you become a hyper reactionary, because your only understanding of what “socialism” is amounts to a shittier version of the capitalist mode of production

It is definitely a tragedy of history that thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2362604
the communist parties were given mandates to do unspeakable evil for greater good they had obligations that they didint uphold and therefore collapsed i dont blame the anticommunist reactions of the 90s and boomers for participating.

>>2366647

> Society that was literally feudalist two generations ago didn't catch up with slaver empire sitting on wealth from 200 years of colonial extraction

Your hypothetical soviet guy would literally be a illiterate shitting in the streets like an Indian if Russia wasn't communist. That's if hypothetical non-communist Russia wasn't already ethnically cleansed by the Nazis or exterminated by the Americans since you think nukes are apparently useless. Coomers like you only care about treats like "subsidized apartment" isn't the difference between life and death for millions of people. Idgaf people living in the soviet union couldn't jerk off to hentai. Coomers like you should all be lynched tbh.

>>2365341
Saw something else interesting which is that because of just how lax South Korea's working hours laws are, they're actually extremely unproductive (in terms of money produced per hour for the company) because since hiring these guys for so long is so cheap the companies cheap out and don't give them the best equipment to help them with their work.

>>2364246

They'd be like India, a mentally colonized shithole where the only nice part is the Communist controlled enclave. KMT are a bunch of retards who couldn't out-maneuver a bunch of idpol liberals who secretly think they're Japs.

>>2364246
India says hello.

>>2362879
Asian countries aren't high trust bro, you basically don't exist outside of the family or professional workplace matrix, you ever see those Webms were gooks literally walk past/avoid some random that is on fire?

>>2363926
no shit you're the one who doesn't know what capital is mongrel

>>2359487
Credit unions combined with worker cooperatives are a powerful combination. Unfortunately there is no politician aside from Richard Wolff who ran on this idea. The biggest problem is the lack of politicization of worker coops and credit unions and the reason kind of makes sense if you understand the historical fighters for coops and people’s banks like Proudhon, who didn’t want to rock the boat of their political system and decided to not participate and their hopes was that cooperatives would just magically take over the whole nation. Marx knew how stupid this shit was, the only way to change shit is to participate in the political system to put pressure and politicize the very act of cooperatives and credit unions are strictly a working class political policies aiming for nationalization, not nationalization in the legal sense but making cooperatives necessary for any business entering the economic world. A law for example that is used that requires any business looking to get a low interest loan only allowing cooperatives to get low or zero interest loans and private businesses being forced to pay premiums. Imagine for example a person looking to start a private business and the only way they can get a loan is by paying a 20 percent premium on interest, no and sometimes higher. In opposition would be cooperatives getting 1 or 2 or 3 percent interest on loans in their new business. This preferential treatment would have a massive politicizing effect on cooperatives and credit unions making them the political alternative to private business and private banks.

>>2362494
> who didn’t want to rock the boat of their political system
Damn libs been betraying the revolution since the begining… now i see why Trotsky was right about Machkno

>>2355512
I sort of see worker co-operatives as a means of defending against HR/the managerial strata which emerges from finance capital, unemployment and labor arbitrage/the buying and selling of labor. In some ways I think worker co-operatives are better than trade unions which only really defend against productive capital and not the banks.

>>2362804
Anyhow I think there ought to be a better way of defending against the managerial strata and getting shitcanned than worker co-operatives. IMO labor unions don't really address the development of a managerial strata or the reserve pool of labor. I think there ought to be an organized way to fight against labor arbitrage directly. Not talking about labor monopsony (borders/colonies mostly IMO) which is usually what comes up when people talk about labor arbitrage.

>>2362804
good point