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Friends, I need help. One of my best friends, who is an arab muslim, just told me she's reading the book Pawns in the Game by William Guy Carr and told me I should read it too. We were talking about Palestine, which we do a lot, but this time she started talking about how the jews were causing all sorts of problems in Europe, how Karl Marx was a jew and how they caused the French and Russian revolutions. Then she straight up asked me if I really think 6 million died. Like I said she's muslim but isn't very conservative (she doesn't even wear hijab). She's a compassionate, rational and perfectly lovely person otherwise. The fuck do I do?

I haven't read the book yet but it references both Protocols of the Elders of Zion and a letter supposedly written by the prominent freemason Albert Pike which outlines a secret plan for three world wars (I happen to know quite a lot about Pike and this letter is a hoax). What do you do when friends you love start going down these rabbit holes?
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argue against her

Mating press her like castro mating pressed that assasin

Basic bitch reactionary with an arab aesthetic. Redirect them to Finkle and jewish protests against Israel. Remind her that the reactionaries she is listening to would kill her on the spot (both islamists and nazis). If she is too in deep into the algorith, it's over. Just tell her to not talk about those topics with you and move on.

>>2262307
>Remind her that the reactionaries she is listening to would kill her on the spot (both islamists and nazis).
This is good and I did point this out. A common narrative among modern nazis is that the jews are orchestrating muslim immigration to Europe to destroy western civilization. So according to the people this stuff comes from she is part of the conspiracy and as such would need to be "dealt with" in one way or another.

My biggest issue is how to argue against "old school" European antisemitism and "light" holocaust revisionism. I've never encountered this shit in the wild so I have no experience dealing with it. Arguments like how the jews were expelled from so many countries that it has to be their fault somehow. Thankfully the book she mentioned is so obviously bullshit because of how it cites confirmed forgeries like the Albert Pike letter, that nothing else in it can be taken seriously.

>>2237681
it's part and parcel of having muslim friends.
I just act dumb and switch the topic to football instead



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German prosecutors move to strip AfD lawmaker's immunity amid bribery probe
Public prosecutors in Germany have moved to strip a politician from the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) of his immunity as a lawmaker after initiating a probe into bribery and money laundering allegations, local media reported on Friday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-prosecutors-move-strip-afd-lawmakers-immunity-amid-bribery-probe-2025-05-09/

NHS plans cuts to jobs and services to avoid £6.6bn deficit
In a survey for NHS Providers, 47 per cent of trust leaders warned they are rolling back services to balance the books, while another 43 per cent are considering doing so.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/nhs-plans-cuts-jobs-and-services-avoid-ps66bn-deficit

Israel intercepts missile launched by Yemen’s Houthis
Houthi rebels fired a “hypersonic ballistic missile” towards Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv, while also claiming a drone attack “targeting a vital Israeli enemy target” in the same area, according to the group’s military spokesperson, Yahya Saree.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/9/houthis-claim-responsibility-for-missile-attack-on-israel-airport
https://archive.ph/HRCbA

Aid workers slam plans by US contractors to take over Gaza aid distribution
The newly created Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is reportedly attempting to implement a new aid distribution system that supplants the current arrangement run by the United Nations and other international aid agencies. The UN and aid groups have rejected the Israeli authorities’ attempts to control aid distribution.
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Michigan’s Trumpian Attorney General Is a Democrat
A police crackdown on students protesting Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza. An attorney general throwing the book at the antiwar activists. Reckless accusations of antisemitism against anyone who disagrees. Protesters’ doors kicked down and raided by armed police. It’s just another day in Donald Trump’s America. Except in this case in question, none of it was done by Trump or even happened while he was president. All of these things happened in a Democrat-controlled state, at the hands of a Democratic attorney general, almost all of it while a Democrat was president. Felony charges were brought against seven antiwar student protesters by Michigan attorney general Dana Nesssel last year, charges that have been criticized as an assault on the rights to free speech and protest — and which were, fortunately and unexpectedly, dropped by Nessel earlier this week. The whole episode is a reminder that as much as the Democratic Party rightly charges Trump and other right-wing political opponents with authoritarianism, its own officials have often acted indistinguishably from the president in defense of Israel’s bloody war on Gaza.
https://jacobin.com/2025/05/michigan-ag-nessel-gaza-protesters

CP of India, CPI on Operation Sindoor by Indian Armed Forces
Given the grave provocation and loss of innocent lives, CPI believes that India had little choice but to respond firmly against the sources of such terrorism. The targeted nature of the strikes—avoiding Pakistani military assets and focusing solely on terrorist infrastructure—demonstrates a calibrated and non-escalatory approach, prioritizing accountability without inviting full-scale conflict. At the same time, CPI urges the Government of India to immediately call for an all-Party meeting to strengthen national consensus and collective resolve in the fight against terrorism. We reiterate the importance of pursuing diplomatic avenues to prevent further escalation and preserve peace in our region and also to arrive at political solutions.
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-India-CPI-on-Operation-Sindoor-by-Indian-Armed-Forces/

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>>2261783
>CP of India, CPI on Operation Sindoor by Indian Armed Forces
Fascist apologia. The CPI and CPI(M) should be ashamed of their complicity.
>Social-Chauvinist Policy Behind a Cover of Internationalist Phrases
>We say nothing of the fact that bourgeois society is continually producing politicians who love to assert they belong to no class, and opportunists who love to call themselves socialists, both of whom deliberately and systematically deceive the masses with the most florid and “radical” words.
Extremely apt thing to include immediately after that.

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Thanks News Anon

>>2261688
>PKK says held congress on dissolution, decision to be announced ‘very soon’
I hope a less cucked faction takes over and continues the fight against t*rkish colonialism of Kurdistan.

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>>2262158
yeah, sure.



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Why can't we have a world where people with differing ideologies can just agree to live separately and not fuck with eachother? Why does everyone feel the need to "save", "liberate" or "civilize" other nations?

I'm not even picking on anyone in particular here, although there are obviously certain nations that are better than others in this regard (the difference between the US and China comes to mind), but overall it seems like every ideology's implicit end goal is to cover the whole earth. Why is that? I would say it's a result of material conditions blah blah blah, but it seems to go back to the dawn of civilization itself, which confuses me.
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>>2262232
>Why would they have killed Mao?
if your goal is to renew society, your prime target ought to be its oldest members.
>The bureucracy isn't a state. This is just like transportation and logistics stuff that needs to exist.
you never mention legislation here, why? where are the courthouses? where are the police and military?

>>2262246
What do you mean target its oldest members? Why? You target people based on class and class affiliation alone.

There would not be a police or military in communism. That is the point of what I'm trying to say. If a police force and judiciary did exist, it would be completely diffirent from what we know today, because the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.

>>2262251
>What do you mean target its oldest members?
the cultural revolution was lead by the youth to dismantle reactionary upstarts in china. yet, if unconditional progress is the call, then why do its oldest members preserve themselves? its because mao was largely purging competition from within the party itself to protect his interests. progress then, is not unconditional, but conditioned by existing power.
>There would not be a police or military in communism
why not?
>the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.
the state also mediates civil society to preserve order. its "law *and* order" for that purpose.

>>2262258
You are just repeating ignorant statements.

>>2262429
i am just realistic, not utopian



 

<Silly hats edition

>Following a deadly terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Kashmir, that resulted in 26 fatalities, India has retaliated with 'Operation Sindoor', targeting nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied territories. This operation marks a significant escalation in the ongoing tensions between the two nations. Pakistan, in response, has heightened its emergency measures and reported shooting down two Indian jets, intensifying the military confrontation. International reactions and calls for peace are noted, amidst growing concerns over regional stability.
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>>2262227
if anything, India would be struck from Afghanistan. What is the Pakis smoking?
>>2262239
you will be surprised to know that such a view is not different in Pakistan.
>>2262198
I didn't. I was full aware when in 2014 Putin said that if he would wanted, in one week he would be in Warsaw.
There are the "🙂‍↔️ geopolitical analysis" base, and the 🙂‍↕️geopolitical analysis", and yes, I was in the first general Ukraine crisis, created during the previous months to the invasion.

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>>2261315
No, the people with the most revolutionary potential atm are Muslims, especially the oppressed of Palestine, Yemen and Kashmir

All the U.S. news push notification I have gotten about this have been straight up Indian propaganda.

>>2262269
We’ve got to like analyze the brain damage that causes people to post shit like this. I always think about people who just had their family exploded into bits having regarded posters posting a mass shooter chudjack and smugly saying nothing happens. What demented view of history do they have? Politics? Humanity?



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The presidential elections in Poland are coming soon, which means that it's time for me to bitch about this place (or more exactly the people that reside in it, which science still has not fully been able to describe the behaviorism of) again.

Of course, the Poles, being a classified reaKKKtionary group will cast their votes for the candidate that they (wrongly) believe is the right one, and while most likely the uninspired liberal Trzaskowski will win, this election also sees (so far) a rise in the popularity of a right wing agent of Satan candidate Mentzen (his name is German - that already is an ill omen)

I guess people deciding to caste their vote for the KKKlandidate from KKKonfederacja is bad enough, but currently he has 3rd place in most polls (which are a shit source of info, at least in Poland, but his supporters are loud at least). Like his memes say, he might actually have a higher chance of beating PO's Trzaskowski if he gets to the 2nd turn (which he likely won't). Of course the postulates are the same old rightoid spiel - low taxes, privatize stuff, shit that would never help any common prole (which is funny because common cis male proles are his biggest electorates, followed by teenagers and young adults with delusions of grandeur and entrepreneurial success)

In true Polish fashion there is no real good candidate, maybe Razem's Zandberg who actually has leftist postulates, criticized Israel (uncommon among Polish politics even though the population is like 80% anti-Israel at least), ran the pre-www Polish section of the Marxist Internet Archive as a teenager. But then, Razem is a socdem party through and through - unless Zandberg somehow gets elected and randomly brings back the Polish People's Republic.
His biggest supporters are actually among academic young adults, most of studentoid friends of mine actually vote for him.

Sometimes I wonder what CIA programming Poles went through to just go "jezu komunis" at any leftist postulate and causes them to react towards nazism (speaking of - plenty more nazi stickers around my place recently, being Polish and a nazi has to be a new suicide cult)

tl;dr the Poles have had it too good for long enough.
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>>2262197
Well you are not wrong, the expectation is that the runoff will be a 1v1 between macron-like liberal reactionary or an american style conservative reactionary.
Polish presidential at the end of the day is just a popularity contest, president here is just a professional socialite with veto power.

>>2262207
>shit or shat
what democracy, what choice!

>>2262219
Bread and circuses. And the presidential is one hell of a funny circus.
There are 13 candidates, most of them different over half of them deeply unserious, it's will be a really interesting snapshot of what 60ish% of polish population think about politics. It's a beautiful spectacle.

What makes Poland so Anti-Communist. Why do East Germans still have nostalgia for the DDR but Poland doesn't. What happened in the PRL?

>>2262229
The main issues people have with PRL were how stagnating, piss poor poland was, antitheism of the party (warranted but tactless and criminal at times), and corruption.
After PRL ended, SLD (democratic-left coalition) quickly took power, look at the chart, they were agressively neoliberal, anti-welfare, criminal ("suicide" of Lepper), massively corrupt, allowed for cia torture prisons to run in Poland, people rightfully hate them but in the bounceback after the third-way "left" failed so miserably right-wing talking points made people lean into "anti-communist resistance" historiography, the people who remember SLD are anti-left, most don't remember communism.
The ones that remember communism are old, and don't struggle with the biggest fuckups of capitalism (housing, alienation, gig economy), they see that life is better here now than then, they arent the militant anticommunists.



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Imagine a big lemonade stand economy. 🍋

Capitalists (the lemonade stand owners) make lemonade each year.

Workers help make the lemonade and get paid with money (wages) to buy snacks and toys (MOS).

How it works:

At the end of the year, the owners have lemonade (C') and money (M').

They use some money (M) to buy new supplies (MOP: lemons, sugar) and pay workers (LP) for next year.

Workers spend their wages on snacks and toys (MOS), which buys back some lemonade.

Owners also use leftover money (m) to buy fancy stuff for themselves (like a new bike 🚴).
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>>2262096
>snacks and toys

What? Id rather read capital than try to understand this shit. But i wont


>>2262110
Uyghur, i dont even understand commodity, fuck you bloody bastard benchod bloody



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Zionazism seems schizo at first glance but it is just the logical endpoint of White supremacism, Christian supremacism, and European settler-colonialism: Jews have been knighted as "honorary" whites, and have been enlisted as crusaders against Muslims by white European Christians. It is an alliance of the two older Abrahamic faiths against the new one, and an alliance of the "true whites" and the "off whites" against the browns.

How should the secular international Communist left combat these powerful spooks? Or should they simply ignore it and focus on building the labor movement?
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>>2261087
>swarthy
what does that mean?

>>2261313
Mediterranean

>>2261313
ctrl+T dictionary.com

>>2260858
not rare. multiple photos were shown during the first weeks of zios invading Gaza, where they were altogether with ukrainian nazis tattooed with sonnenrads.

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one of the side plots in Thomas Pynchon's Inherent Vice is that there's a Jewish crime lord named Mickey Wolffmann who uses neo nazis as body guards. The main character Doc Sportello is a stoner private investigator who learns about this through a member of the Black Guerrilla Family who just got out of jail. It's such an interesting sequence in the book because it takes place in LA in the late 60s, and Pynchon, who was probably a spook at some point in his life based on his well known real life paranoia, STEM background, proximity to the US security apparatus in the 1950s, and tendency to write about shit like Operation Paperclip a lot, made me think he based that character Wolfmann off of a real guy.



 

Is there a reason why Europe managed to conquer the world compared to every other continent? Other than the simple "Europeans are the superior species" reasoning?
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>>2230458
yeah this is the best answer. also very important to mention that europe was unable to conquer africa until the late 19th century even after it had been wracked and undermined by the slave trade (atlantic and arab) for centuries at that point. it was the plague-enabled conquest of the americas and the massive primitive accumulation that allowed for absurdly rapid industrialization snowball → european hegemony over the rest of the world

>>2236111
I do wonder why China never bothered conqurering south-east Asia back in the day, especially during their rule over Indochina.

Is there a reason BROVVN ROMVN MEN managed to conquer sissy ewropean cavebois? Other than their evident genetic superiority

>>2261794
People didn't care much for sea trade until the europeans did it.

Empires rose and fell throughout history all over the world in all class systems. Capitalism is what made Europe so dominant, because it allowed for harnessing technology as a massive force multiplier for producing things. Seafaring ha already been discussed but also importantly there was an existing study of metalworking (mainly due to warfare) and abundant sources of readily available fossil fuels (mainly coal). These factors in technology were major contributors to developing capitalism.



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this ends the argument that the american proletariat is an oppressed class that has any potential for class conciousness.
a million dollars from theater.
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>>2259901
>Psyop thread
I remember when threads like this would have been bumplocked and OP banned or at least warned. Now we have people unironically shilling J. Edgar Hoover Sakai. This place has basically become everything it stood against.

>>2252188
Why couldn't he just go back to his team's tent. I'm with Austin on this one. This is exactly the shit that is pulled on cops and then everyone complains about police brutality.
Maybe do what people ask of you?

>>2251573
don't care

>>2260422
leftypollers are braindead
framing the metcalf stabbing as 'self defence'
imagine if the ethnicities were reversed and a white dude stabbed a black dude just because he was told to move

>>2251665
Black Americans are literally the most religious, homophobic and misogynistic demographic in America. Is that not reactionary? Do you think the average Russian worker or especially peasant in 1906 didn't hold all kinds of reactionary views?



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If you are in an organization that claims to adhere to the proletarian movement how many of the elements in the title does your organization adhere to? Do you go out with shitty cardboard signs and hippie beanie clothes like losers? Are participants in your org willing to adopt a uniformed look or do they reject uniformity in favor of individual choices? Can you all form a line adhering to height? Can you march in unison? Can you sing in unison? Can you handle the logistics to obtain uniforms? Can you design banners, uniforms, flags and have them produced? Do you print reading material? Do you know how to behave when handing out printed material? Do you know how to behave in front of agitators? Do you know how to give interviews? Do you know how to recruit? And many other questions.
It appears that most organizations, especially leftoid orgs are completely disorganized and glorify piglike behavior expecting praise and new recruits without putting in the necessary effort to hold a structured organization.
They often blame the lack of finances, the lack of members and dismiss any notion of uniformity. And even when finances are not a problem, they may refuse out of individualism "I don't like wearing suits" and such other excuses which are more common within the declassed and more liberal structures. Of course there are outliers, there are declassed organizations with suits. What about yours though? Do you even have the will to implement these crucial elements in your organization or would you rather dismiss and criticize them as being stuck up?
I remind that the very same institutions and bourgeoisie NGOs that dominate the social order already see the necessity in these elements as far as to emphasize their importance in managerial courses, logically if you want to compete with them for attention from the broader "public" you need to 1UP them. If you don't like it then have fun playing play-pretend with your gay ass libtarded idpol friends and running a small business on a legalized squat or some shit. But if you agree on the necessity of these things, what have you done to try to implement them OR how have you managed to implement them in your org?
This is assuming you're not in an insurrectionary organization / party and care about public appearances.
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>>2261442
The liberal ones or the fascist ones?

>>2261445
What's the difference?

>>2261367
Yeah the Marines love that retarded shit. It apparently comes out of older-style Prussian methods and also British methods (specifically the Royal Marines) who the U.S. Marines wanting to emulate in the 1800s. BTW there's an essay by Engels called "The Armies of Europe" that talked about different armies in the 1850s (fascinating reading BTW) and he talked about British drill being notoriously harsh then, they were still practicing flogging while the Prussians had discarded it, but this practice which was aimed at creating discipline wrecked morale and contributed to the relatively high number of desertions of British troops during the Crimean War.

>There is one institution in the British army which is perfectly sufficient to characterize the class from which the British soldier is recruited. It is the punishment of flogging. Corporal punishment does not exist in the French, the Prussian, and several of the minor armies. Even in Austria, where the greater part of the recruits consist of semi-barbarians, there is an evident desire to do away with it, thus the punishment of running the gauntlet has recently been struck out from the Austrian military code. In England, on the contrary, the cat-o'-nine-tails is maintained in its full efficiency—an instrument of torture fully equal to the Russian knout in its most palmy time. Strange to say, whenever a reform of the military code has been mooted in Parliament, the old martinets have stuck up for the cat, and nobody more zealously than old Wellington himself. To them, an unflogged soldier was a monstrously misplaced being. Bravery, discipline, and invincibility, in their eyes, were the exclusive qualities of men bearing the scars of at least fifty lashes on their backs.


>The cat-o'-nine-tails, it must not be forgotten, is not only an instrument calculated to inflict pain; it leaves indelible scars, it marks a man for life, it brands him. Now, even in the British army, such corporal punishment, such branding, really amounts to an everlasting disgrace. The flogged man loses caste with his fellow soldiers. But, according to the British military code, punishment, before the enemy, consists almost exclusively in flogging; and thus, the very punishment which is said, by its advocates, to be the only means of keeping up discipline in cases
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>>2261208
besides the fact that individual signs are cringe, signs should always be big and made by the organization, not the individual members
besides that, larping is a waste of resources, specially uniforms and such because you are not actually rising up

>>2261409
Not sucking bourgeois cock every five seconds is LARP, how dare you try and build anything outside my domain plebian.



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