/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2952734
The anarchists are out and there are fires.

>>2952734
An american has turned up, called the smashies 'fucking retards' and tried to put the fires out himself.
Which one of you antifun fags was this?
From what I can gather the Spaniard smashies think there are tourists in the buildings so they don't care if they burn, the american is seething about it and i think he's going to get beated up if he carries on.

>>2952782
lol I saw that too, the concerned guiri sounded more like a bong tbh. What a cunt. It was based when the comrade threw his skateboard in the fire and I was sad to see he was able to recover it

I'm pretty sure this is live, again. May be a loop around.

>>2952808
It's a loop from here:
https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20261111/11681344/huelga-general-espana-11n-movilizaciones-sindicatos-manifestaciones-ultima-hora-hoy-en-directo.html

>>2952294
real socialism is sitting in corners saying nothing and I can't believe people still don't realize it

>died
no
<murdered by America
>houseless
no
<American capitalism
>hunger
no
<starved by America
>foreign aid
no
<American imperialism

>>2952302
I live in spain and i do this

>>2952298
communism will abolish corners tho

>>2952287
Strange considering most communists worship labor as sacred, doing that is counter-productive

>>2943031
What sources did he “mischaracterize” and why does that lead to his conclusions being wrong? Elaborate.

Why do anarchists always arrive at their conclusions from anthropology and not philosophy?

fuck, reading graeber in high school was such a moment for me. didn't shake my marxism but really convinced me how important it is to be open to other disciplines' contributions, his anthropology rlly legitimized the contemporary anarchism of occupy as a serious development
>Why does everyone in leftist circles hate him now?
they do? the dawn of everything was his last non-posthumous publication and i rlly enjoyed it as a companion to kropotkin, unless you seriously consider meme takes like
>>2899015
>the entire field of anthropology, hundreds of thousands of ppl, deboonked by daily wire-tier understandings
>>2898813
>the book is about how the past was egalitarian even though it argues the exact opposite
>>2898819
>contemporary social democracy, born of marxism, is anarchism
… and marxists do much else? early 2020s black blocs at least closed down business districts for a day or two, more than can be said about the dozens of dozen-man marxist parties who went from protesting on fucking slip lanes to becoming ponzi schemes for rape
>>2898826
had nothing to do w/assad's shocking incompetence in getting wagner'd by a diet taliban. for every excuse you can make for him, you could make a thousand for rojava
>transhistorical character of debt
where the fuck do you people get this?

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his seminal work is not Debt The First 5000 Years, it's actually Bullshit Jobs, and no one really wants to hear about how their job is bullshit right now, so naturally he fell out of favor. it's really that shrimple.

>>2952623
>>2952623
Where do you retards get 5vos shit from? If you don't know anything about the OP why not just move on instead of trying to just say random shit that just sounds right to you?

>>2948831
what does it do ?

Turkey is on its way to unironically becoming a regional superpower
>real economy based on manufacturing instead of natural resources or financial services, cheap exports dominating eastern europe, the middle east and north africa
>massive military with five top 100 defense companies, bases and outposts in foreign countries, second engine of nato, creating its own muslim nato where it's the main boss and most important link
>turkish construction companies outbidding european ones across africa and asia
>turkish oil companies doing prospecting in pakistan and somalia
>turkey building a spaceport and missile base in somalia
>soft power reaching to central asia and the border with china because >muh turkic brothers
>huge soft power across islamic countries because >muh ottomans
>huge soft power across eastern europe, south america, mena because >muh tv shows
>natural bridge between west and muslims, has islamist cred because muh caliph erdogan among the muslim world's durka durka's while maintaining relations with israel and being part of nato, keeps unruly/unstable muslim countries like pakistan, somalia, libya in west's orbit
>key link on west-east trade and energy routes, dozens of new pipelines and infrastructure projects linking europe with china and central asia going through turkey
>turkey's now a top 20 pisa scorer and scoring better than eastern europeans and most western euros
>get its pick of immigrants for intellectual and manual labor shortages from a constellation of countries stretching from central asia, the middle east, balkans and russia
>puppet/subservient governments in libya, somalia, syria
>successfully neutralized kurds, successfully cucked kurds in iraq and rojava
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>>2948789
>>2949026
When all this is sorted, Erdogan will probably be remembered as one of the greatest leaders in Turkey and I'm no fan of him or Turkey itself. He deserves it considering that Turkey's one of the very few countries in the world that's going to get a W when all of this is sorted.

>>2948789
Heavily integrated into intelligence agencies. Deep state country.

The Khilaafat never died.

>>2951596
>bailout time

To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what this example is. It is Germany. Here we have “the last word” in modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned organization, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism. Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist, Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a different social type, of a different class content; a Soviet state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum total of the conditions necessary for socialism. Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organization, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries). At the same time socialism is inconceivable unless the proletariat is the ruler of the state. This also is ABC. And history (which nobody, except Menshevik blockheads of the first order, ever expected to bring about “complete” socialism smoothly, gently, easily and simply) has taken such a peculiar course that it has given birth in 1918 to two unconnected halves of socialism existing side by side like two future chickens in the single shell of international imperialism.

• Lenin, “Left-Wing” Childishness, 1918

There are many debates around Marx's theory of value, which have conflicting interpretations due to the internal conflict of the author himself. My comprehensive view presented here is that Marx has a consistent theory of value from 1844–65, of alienated labour, and post–1867 is a revised theory of value which reifies "value" as such, showing dishonour and degeneration in Marx's person.

The earliest writings Marx has on value are this (1844):
<The mediating process between men engaged in exchange is not a social or human process, not human relationship; it is the abstract relationship of private property to private property, and the expression of this abstract relationship is value, whose actual existence as value constitutes money […] as an equivalent is no longer its specific mode of existence. It has thus become a value, and immediately an exchange-value. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/james-mill/
Here, "value" is not something immediate to production, but is only something mediating exchange; value is the alienation of labour itself, in the form of self-relating private property (e.g. the fetishism of commodities). It is further, "immediately an exchange-value" whose "actual existence as value constitutes money". So, value is both (i) exchange-value and (ii) money. Value is thus money:
<the real value of things is their exchange-value and this in the last instance exists in money
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/james-mill/
Still, Marx reserves mystery:
<How this value is more precisely determined must be described elsewhere, as also how it becomes price.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/james-mill/
So Marx also sees a medium term between (exchange-) value, purely, and money (i.e. price). Here, the minimum case is that value only has existence as estrangement of labour, where anti-social production appears social. In describing non-alienated production and exchange, property does not bear the mark of possessing "value".

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From 1844–58 therefore, we see a consistent view of value being the medium of exchange (i.e. money) from which the various exchange-values of commodities are expressed in an independent form. It is by this manner of representation that abstract labour can manifest. It is then the act of exchange that constitutes commodities as exchange-values; a purely relative phenomenon. In production, value has "determination", but is a potential, not a reality. Where a commodity is not purchased it has no value, therefore, and products in themselves are not valuable, either. Value is emerges from a "value-relation", nothing else. Value is a social category, nothing natural.

In 1859, Marx begins his description of commodities:
<Every commodity […] has a twofold aspect –use-value and exchange-value
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/ch01.htm
This seems canonical of what has been written thus far:
<Labour which creates exchange-value is thus abstract general labour […] an abstraction, but it is an abstraction which is made every day in the social process of production
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/ch01.htm
As we have read, the abstraction is peculiar to the level of competition. We see here though, abstract labour as something particular to the form of commodities alone:
<labour of an individual can produce exchange-value only if it produces universal equivalents […] use-value of one commodity is brought into relation with the use-values of other commodities. The exchange-value of one commodity thus manifests itself in the use-values of other commodities […] the use-values of all other commodities form its equivalent
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/ch01.htm
This is only possible due to a factor of use-values:
<as materialisation of universal social labour-time
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An index of Marx's contradictory comments are needed, where it concerns the painful transition from his earlier view to his later view. As we have seen, value was once equivalent to exchange-value, until it became equivalent to use-value. But even this is not consistently upheld. It is necessary to examine both claims. First in use-value:
<Use values become a reality only by use or consumption: they also constitute the substance of all wealth, whatever may be the social form of that wealth. In the form of society we are about to consider, they are, in addition, the material depositories of exchange value […] exchange value, generally, is only the mode of expression, the phenomenal form, of something contained in it, yet distinguishable from it […] each of these products […] human labour power has been expended in their production […] they are – Values […] substance that manifests itself in the exchange value of commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value […] A use value, or useful article, therefore, has value only because human labour in the abstract has been embodied or materialised in it […] A thing can be a use value, without having value. This is the case whenever its utility to man is not due to labour […] A thing can be useful, and the product of human labour, without being a commodity. Whoever directly satisfies his wants with the produce of his own labour, creates, indeed, use values, but not commodities. In order to produce the latter, he must not only produce use values, but use values for others, social use values […] Lastly nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value […] the labour, whose utility is thus represented by the value in use of its product, or which manifests itself by making its product a use value, we call useful labour […] all labour is […] an expenditure of […] abstract human labour, it creates and forms […] concrete useful labour, it produces use values […] every product of labour is, in all states of society, a use value […] the magnitude of the coat’s value is determined, independently of its value form, by the labour time necessary for its production […] properties of a thing are not the result of its relations to other thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2951949
> dishonour and degeneration in Marx's person.
based?!

Trump Nominates Palantir Executive to Head Cybersecurity Agency
As NextGov/FCW reported Monday night, the White House has nominated Michael LoSapio, the chief information security officer for software giant Palantir Technologies, to lead the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), which operates under the Department of Homeland Security.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-palantir

House Republicans block effort to impeach Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth
Thomas Massie, a Republican congressman who lost his primary after breaking with the president, had proposed impeaching Hegseth in September, alleging an array of illegal acts, including killing civilians in Iran, launching unauthorized operations in Venezuela and Yemen, and retaliating against a Democratic senator.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/nov/10/pete-hegseth-impeachment-effort

US consumer prices rise briskly for third straight month
US consumer prices increased more than expected in October amid higher costs for food and accommodation, cementing expectations that the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates next month. The Consumer Price Index report from the Labor Department on Tuesday also showed ​a strong buildup of underlying inflation pressures for a third straight month. It followed data last week showing the labor market regained momentum in October.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-consumer-prices-rise-above-expectations-october-2026-11-10/

Bernie Sanders says he will not back Schumer for Senate Democratic leader
“I personally have known Chuck Schumer for over 30 years, and I like Chuck. Nobody who works harder than Chuck Schumer. But in my view, the time is now for change, and I will not be supporting Chuck to be re-elected as the Democratic leader,” Sanders told reporters on Capitol Hill.
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ICE Agent Falsely Accused Federal Defender of Helping Client Evade Arrest and Deportation
Assistant Federal Defender Michael Deates and his Salvadoran client settled inside the Minneapolis courtroom on April 28. ICE Deportation Officer Michael O’Neal sat inside the gallery when he heard a familiar name: Ezequiel Portillo-Rodriguez. He pulled out his government phone and then searched for the name. A Certificate of Nonexistence (CTNE) that he filed in April 2025 popped up. To O’Neal, this meant that there were no official records of Portillo-Rodriguez ever holding a visa, green card or U.S. citizenship. He texted agent Blake Willwerscheid, asking if he knew about the case. Willwersheid told him that Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent Brubaker was in charge of the case. A prosecutor later testified that this HSI Agent thought he was talking to an agent Witt in St. Paul. Had O’Neal looked through court records he would have found something more relevant than a CTNE. On Sept. 2, 2025, Portillo-Rodriguez started his six-month stint inside the notorious Golden State Annex in McFarland, Ca. He filed an asylum claim while inside the private immigration jail run by GEO Group. Attorneys wrote that Portillo-Rodriguez had a “fear of persecution and torture” if he were deported back to El Salvador. Two weeks later an asylum officer denied this claim. An immigration judge overturned that denial on November 7, 2025, finding his fears credible.
https://unicornriot.ninja/2026/ice-agent-falsely-accused-federal-defender-of-helping-client-evade-arrest-and-deportation/

( assembly.org.ua ) Ukraine’s internal aggressor seeks a counteroffensive in the social war: some clarifications for anarchism abroad after the riot near Kiev
Following the anti-busification protests that took place over the summer in Kiev and cities in Western Ukraine, the flame of unrest has flared up with renewed intensity. Ukrainian masses have tried to strike back at those who, since 2014, had come to view themselves as an untouchable, sacred caste—a "master race" (on a financial leash of the country’s biggest capitalist, Rinat Akhmetov). Those in Ukraine who had arrogated to themselves the right to speak on behalf of its civil society are now griPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna

>>2924068
Mr X moments. Dung basically got a second wind after Trong died and his protege To Lam became secretary

It's interesting that the Malaysian left is notably homophilic compared to practically any other non-Balkan Muslim country. Obviously there's a material reason for this: it simply continues the rest of Southeast Asia in having an old underclass of pre-HoI4 trainknees. With Malaysia being the second wealthiest SEA country and with a youth highly prominent in ACG culture, it also had the foundations for a renaissance of post-HoI4 trainknees with no precedent even in the Balkans before that shitlib Anwar fucked up so bad that niqabis started spawning even in urban areas.

Therefore the Malaysian left cannot avoid being homophilic, because it's a question with actual consequences for the country's superstructure. Their answer will always work to their detriment because the Malay cubeslave is uniquely deranged and won't even let people leave his religion to say nothing of compromising with others. Islamic Socialism was never a good idea but it is structurally impossible here, because the blood and soil ethnoreligion shit cannot survive impact with leftist ideas: a surge in the left must correlate to a drop in religiosity and I don't know which will cause the other.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippines-defends-jet-setter-gen-zs-appointment-as-head-of-agency-managing-poverty-issues
Every day in pinoy land is a joke
Philippines defends jet-setter Gen Z’s appointment as head of agency managing poverty issues
>27 year old
>no experience
>daughter of the president’s friend
<immediately became head of a national agency
Malacanang Palace on Oct 20 defended the appointment of Zofia Canlas as commissioner of the Presidential Commission for the Urban Poor (PCUP), amid public scrutiny over her lavish lifestyle and alleged lack of relevant experience for the role.
A biology graduate of De La Salle University in 2024, Canlas drew criticism over her “lavish” trips abroad, including to France, Italy, Greece, and other countries. Critics also questioned whether her lifestyle aligned with the mandate of the commission she serves.
PCUP commissioners serve as a bridge between underprivileged urban communities and the national government. They also help negotiate between the government and informal settler families who may be required to vacate the land on which their homes stand.
Online records show that her supposed father, Jose Marcell Canlas, is an assistant secretary at the Office of the Executive Secretary.
Palace Press Officer Claire Castro dismissed the criticisms, saying Canlas’ social status and age should not disqualify the 27-year-old from the position.

>>2936897
Shit like this is why you still have people joining the CPP NPA NDF even as they lose the guerrilla war, the political situation is insane and none of them even try with land reform

>class reductionism
Also known as class consciousness

>>2950821
Did you read the OP
>>2950819
There seems to be a tension between two competing concepts here, because ending idpol would necessarily mean ending the oppression/marginalization of currently oppressed/marginalized groups, whether or not you put scare quotes around that word. In fact this is inherent in ending enforced cultural norms, one of the things you said Communist should be honest about. Abolishing differences between people at the same time implies enforced assimilation into a socialist monoculture, and dissent from the monoculture can be reframed as rejection of an enforced cultural norm, one of the original stated goals. Silence and opportunism about these ambitious goals can be reframed as garnering support for achieving those goals, as you already noted.

>>2950576
After watching Kimberle Crenshaws interview on Novara ive become more convinced than ever that she doesn't really understand class.

>>2951806
Does that really matter?
If an engineering major doesn't understand biology, and a biology major doesn't understand engineering, that doesn't prevent me from learning and using both biology and engineering.

>>2950576
Really interesting discussion as I have trouble with caring about idpol these days. Its easier to dismiss everything not related to people being able to get basic needs and not dying from war.