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 No.211966[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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 No.554090

Nordic people, how are the Greens in your country? Do they have a left wing that is worth getting into or are they all bourgeois and a waste?

 No.554439

>>471558
went terribly lol

>>471753
i come here *very* rarely but i do recall seeing another icelandic person on here a while ago

>>554090
they suck

 No.554839

>>549852
of course Finland is eastern
eastern Sweden that is

>>554090
>how are the Greens in your country?
cucked beyond belief by bourgeois idpol

 No.554889

>>554439
Oh why? What happened in Iceland? I read that J didn’t get into government.

 No.554890

>>554889
>government
I meant parliament.



 No.550049[Reply]

Just as we have rejected anglo propaganda about Stalin and lenin, should we also reject anglo propaganda about Pol Pot?

He was basically a socialist who wanted to build his country in peace so anglos made up lies about a supposed "genocide". Sound familiar?
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 No.554862

>>554799
Unironically yes. Liberal mystification of nazi shit is pretty harmful to an understanding.
>hitler did everything he did because he was evil
>muh scapegoat
Thats basically what i was taught.

 No.554863

>>554804
Everyone committed their fair share of genocides and war crimes back then, but people only demonize nazis, as if they were for just an aberration in a fair world. People also overrate whatever the fuck they did(example portraying mengele as le evil doctor when that stuff is debunked by modern historical scholarship on him).

 No.554866

Saloth Sâr was a CIA man. So yes, we should reject the lies that he was any sort of communist.

 No.554870

I've actually been to Cambodia
Pol Pot is no one's comrade.

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>>550049
Just wait until you realize all the propaganda cooked up by western intelligence agencies about "repressive" African "dictators" like Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin who committed the cardinal sin of liberating their nations and trying to develop them independent from western imperialism.



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 No.268992[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.htmldprkDPRK
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 No.550014

>>549983
>http://solidariedadecoreiapopular.blogspot.com/2011/08/coreia-ditadura-x-democracia.html
Who is this dude and why should we believe what he says? And is there really nobody else but this Portuguese man?
>Apparentely that's not allowed by you? Also there are plenty of independent politicians
Nothing is for certain but I did say it was suspicious that almost everyone votes the same way. There seems to be some sort of coercion or other illegitimacy going on because even within a socialist framework people have different ideas, backgrounds, views, etc. This thing about ~90% of the vote going to one party is what happens in dictatorships.

 No.550035

>one party dictatorship
have you ever considered that opposition does not need to come from outside the party, american

 No.550132

>>550035
>one party dictatorship

REEEEEEE YOU NEED MULTIPARTY TO HAVE DEMOCRACY

<one party actually has multiple factions inside it that argue and bicker with each other its just that unlike the chaotic mess that is multiparty democracy, a one party "dictatorship" encourages democractic centralism and unity and thus gets shit done as seen in china

 No.550266

>>550014
>There seems to be some sort of coercion or other illegitimacy going on

And why do you say that? Why does it seem to have some type of coercion? People can still have different views even inside the party.

>Who is this dude and why should we believe what he says? And is there really nobody else but this Portuguese man?


Some poeple research about North Korea I guess

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 No.552178[Reply]

I know the scum elite escaped to the US in the 60's and in the 90s with the death of USSR Cuba went through some bad shit and people had to flee, but why do nowadays that still happens?
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 No.554679

>>552178
>Why do people flee Cuba?

Because the US has succeeded in blocking Cuba from virtually all but the most minimal economic interaction with the rest of the world. Socialist or capitalist, no island country can thrive isolated. Autarky is dumb (this is also the problem with Juche, where this problem is more self-inflicted).

Cuba and Vietnam have the exact same governing ideology, and the latter is a thriving country because it has succeeded in outmaneuvering the threat of US economic sanctions, for now at least. Of course it had to make some concessions to get there (like joining the WTO). To an extent you could argue that Cuba should calculate it is better off pulling a Vietnam than ultimately falling apart under the weight of sanctions.

This is also why the Atlanticist geopolitical sphere is hellbent on PRC like they were on the USSR—both countries are/were so geographically huge that they have enough natural resources to blow off sanctions. Thus the capitalists can only resort to force to stop China. With Cuba that is no longer so necessary.

>>552237
>>>552185
>>While the average Cuban definitely enjoys better living standards than the average American
>I wonder so? I'd like some sauce on that

He's definitely wrong, but it might be more accurate to claim that the average Cuban enjoys better living standards than the average Latin American.

 No.554785

>>552178
criminals fleeing persecution as usual, also freedom obsession

 No.554790

>>553984
Life expectancy is better in Cuba.

 No.554792

Lots of people also flee Haiti and the Dominican Republic every year but nobody talks about that because those are capitalist states.

 No.554793

Because they lack basic necessities to even safeguard a minimum living standard because of all those embargos and sanctions?



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 No.552009[Reply]

Although I’m not described as an avid supporter of capitalism by those around me in this thread I’ll argue that unemployment can actually be beneficial to a state

For one thing the reason why unemployment occurs is do to shortages of capital or because potential workers aren’t actually qualified for their jobs, this is surprisingly the most accurate reasons despite modern capitalism’s flaws as it’s been documented that most engineers in India and China aren’t qualified for their positions explaining as to why innovation is so slow there compared to the USA Britain and France despite the difference in the population of professional workers. As for the rest of the labour force it’s the same situation which is why in modern times so many employers both private and public are looking specifically experienced older workers.
For another having more workers doesn’t necessitate more revenue especially when it comes to societies with productive tools like construction and factory equipment or computers and printers, the more productive a tool becomes it naturally forms its own costs from maintenance repairs or simply developing the tool to begin with and when the potential costs for operating said productive tools overlap how much revenue is produced it’ll get cut and so will jobs, this happens regardless if wether or not the employer is part of a corporation small buissness government owned institution etc and honestly that’s justifiable as well.
In the end the right to work is only justified under the presumption that the labour produced overcomes the costs to produce the good that labour made as too many unqualified and expensive workers can ruin any body of society regardless of how large including the federal government if drastic measures aren’t taken to reduce costs and raise per capita productivity
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>>552055
Holy based

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 No.554306

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>Unemployment is good

 No.554312

>>552009
how are you supposed to support your life and wellbeing then

 No.554721

>>552029
kill yourself stirnerite parasite



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 No.88295[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

A grande richiesta e dopo un'inutile e penosa scissione, rieccoci.sandinistaSandinista
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>>546427
Impossibile, i padroni dei media hanno messo su tutto questo teatrino sul cringe pass e promuovono nei talk show i politici straccioni che hanno approvato il detto pass dopo 30 anni di restaurazione liberista.

 No.547395

>>547067
>cringe pass
Back to twitter

 No.547879

Cose che quelli di destra dicono che sarebbe figo se fossero vere.

 No.547942

>>545861
>Trascurare tutte le lotte sociali perché non vuoi farti un vaccino che ha causato 13 eventi gravi per ogni 100000 vaccinati e una frazione infinitesima e trascurabile di morti rispetto al virus stesso contro cui ti immunizza

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 No.554096[Reply]

Too much spending in the wrong areas with not enough revenue is fucking over China. What the hell is xi gonna do to fix a problem like this? Build more cities and factories, just sell more random shit exclusively between Chinese states, fellas give me something because this is gonna have dire affects for other countries whose trading partners are China and not the tyrannical regime that is NATO(Use the China General)
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>Their economy only expanded 2.5% in a year where the rest of the global economy totally imploded.
>thus china is collapsing.
cope.

 No.554661

>>554655
And that "Rest of the world' i can not stress more.

These people realise that 10% of the Bri'Ish, French and Italian have just stopped existing in the last year yes?

They realise that India lost 8% of its GDP in the last year.

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>>554181
Hero you go

>>554184
It's aljazeera, dude. And China abandoned GDP planning, anyway, as it outlived it's usefullness. https://www.npr.org/2020/05/22/860667352/china-abandons-growth-targets-for-1st-time-in-40-years https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-target-idUSKBN26J1IN Ignore the Western cope ala "seeee?!?! They are collapseing!!1" Planning in real goods is vastly superior, anyway, and all the companies in China have Plans to fulfill which contain real goods production and revenue targets. Show me that those are systematically not met, then your "it's coming from Chinese officials themselves" will hold water, because those are targets that Chinese officials are tasked with fulfilling.

 No.554708

>>554649
Yeah, it's ridiculous how Americans, left or right, just love to use nominal GDP metrics as a final measure of success. Like, in China you can use public transport to get to your job, and it's fairly cheap and pretty fast to do so. Why is it, then, that we must look at nominal GDP of USA, which has tonnes upon tonnes of inefficient bloat - cars and highways - as a final measure of success? Any sane economist would have gutted USA GDP metrics and adjust them to the reality of superiority of public transportation, if that economist wanted to compare people's economies, that is, not annual gross domestic product.

 No.555793

>>554119
The problem is if they keep saying it over and over for 30 years they aren't "predicting" anything if it happens they're just lucky.



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 No.553067[Reply]

Name a country more cucked.
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that reminds me of the time i was like 4 years old and my parents took me to Trotsky's museum in Coyoacan
my father says i actually got inside trotsky's room and lied on the bed, right there under the bullet holes
kinda comfy i guess

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>>554268
EXTREMELY BASED

 No.554665

>>554275
>here in Mexico, the whole population knows that the 500 bill has a guy who protected his wife's boyfriend
I actually didn't know that. I never bothered to read about Trotsky's affair with Frida and Diego.
>>554373
>the stalinist was David Alfaro Siqueiros (in fact he was so stalinist that he tried to kill Trotsky too but failed) he was a long time rival of Diego and Frida.
Wow, I didn't know that either! What a shit Mexican leftist artist I am.

>>554429
kewl

>>554590
I wonder if the Mexican Revolution had happened a little bit later (after 1917) things would've been different now.

 No.554667

>>553213
>All M-L countries turned to be discount stalinist USSR.
The USSR and the rest of the Warsaw pact and all their third world allies explicitly rejected
Stalin after his death (Except for Mongol, Albanian and (Maos)China chads.)
>Marx's point was that capitalism will result in communism, and he followed a strict social evolutionary model where you have to go through certain states to achieve communism. He's a fucking hegelian who out hegeled hegel. You can't just change social relations without reaching that point where capitalism breakdowns and communism emerges.
Stalin and all the other first generation WP leaders right after WW2 proved this isn't true though.
Fucking Mongolia proved it wasn't true.

 No.554670

>>554255
>the hot mexican bae
Lol no

We used to have a non-cuked 500 bill



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Having a nihilistic existential crisis? Feel like your work, being exploited by porkie, can't be used for yourself? Have huge shitlists, lots of vendettas and revenge fantasies you can't fulfil yet?

Joseph Stalin was there. Joseph Stalin believes in you. So believe in Joseph Stalin. These excerpts from biographies about Stalin remind us to WORK STEEL HARD for ONLY ourselves and the future revolution.

< The contours of Joseph's later personality were already disclosing themselves. He was dedicated to self-improvement through daily study. His capacity for HARD WORK, whenever such WORK was useful, was IMMENSE.

- Service, 2004

<Stalin brutally, artfully, INDEFATIGABLY indefatigably BUILT a personal dictatorship within the Bolshevik dictatorship. Then he LAUNCHED and saw through a bloody socialist remaking of the entire former empire, presided over a victory in the greatest war in human history, and took the Soviet Union to the epicentre of global affairs. More than for any other historical figure, even Gandhi or Churchill, a biography of Stalin… eventually comes to approximate a history of the world.

- Kotkin, 2014, page 4

<Perhaps the best that could be said about Oddball, Pockmarked Oska, and Koba the Priest was that he was the quintessential AUTODIDACT, NEVER CEASING TO READ, no doubt as solace, but also because he remained DETERMINED to IMPROVE and ADVANCE himself.

- Kotkin, 2014, page 117

>Trotsky famously wrote that "Stalin did not create the apparatus. The apparatus created him".

<This was exactly backwards. Stalin CREATED the apparatus, and it was a COLOSSAL FEAT… To be sure, we shall see him learning on the job, committing significant mistakes, and it would be a while before he emerged as the recognised Leader (vozhd') not just of the party but of the country. But he demonstrated SURPASSING ORGANIZATION ABILITIES, a MAMMOTH APPETITE FOR WORK, a strategic mind an unscrupulousness that recalled his master teacher, Lenin.
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 No.552140

>>548396
ban was appealed and removed.

 No.552144

>>552140
thanks.

 No.552146

>>548396
my bad I called you a faggot but misinterpreted your post. sorry

 No.552152

>>552146
based apologising anon

 No.554650

>>552152
I can't just accidentally roast Stalin bros and not apologize, it's fucked up.



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 No.553042[Reply]

(This is not an identity politics or feminism vs. anti-feminism debate thread. Please don't use it as such.)

Why have women always been subjugated in some way or another? What are the material roots of this sex-based social hierarchy that has permeated virtually all human societies throughout history, and what actions should we as socialists undertake to achieve equality between the sexes?

There was a brief discussion about this in the prostitution thread, but it quickly got buried between all the other conversations going on at the same time. Feel free to share your thoughts - maybe we can come to some sort of conclusion here.
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 No.553828

>>553786
Yeah but only in developed countries.

 No.554406

>>553064
It is asweing about origins, no if was correct these origins.
> Lets imagine humans were like snails and didn't have a sex.
> impliying
As simple as men could not breastfeed, similarly, they were not cared for until the age of majority, barons who could already start running were already going to hunt and girls were pregnant at very early age. Let's remember that life expectancy was no more of 20 years old. But we can say man are bad if you feel oppresed

 No.554434

>>553778
Well that would be a good start for some facts also archeologists and paleontologists but once we've acquired the information we can interpret it

 No.554645

>>554406
Yes, but life expectancy of 20 does not actually mean that most people died at around 20. It simply ment that most people born didn't survive past the first few years of their lives, and the ones that did, got to be 40-50 years old

 No.554647

>>553064
>Lets imagine humans were like snails and didn't have a sex.
Stfu, snailphobe.



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