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>>2343757
in other words the whole of your critique of marx is that value is moral, which is subjective, which as has been pointed out previously, a political choice, and the refusal to clarify or delineate between the two different uses playing word games.
>i sympathise with this view from an opposite end, of lockean homesteading
which is certainly no less delusional than being a modern ancap, and has never historically resulted in genocide or justified atrocities
>and so rights belong to responsible tenants instead
indeed you would


>For him the dialectic movement is the dogmatic distinction between good and bad.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/poverty-philosophy/ch02.htm

I wrote long posts in reply to some of the anons ITT but the posts I was replying to have been removed, possibly caught in a ban dragnet for when the anons in question broke site rules in a different thread. Now I cannot remember the context of the conversation, particularly my reply to >>2300704

Sigh.

>>2344300
Ah! Thanks. It wasn't about debt but about something else: "Vulgar anthropocentrism" in Marx which is addressed by Cockshott in >>2300773 this video and a different anon than me in this post >>2301520

I repost this here because i had posted it on the previous dead general, sorry for repeating the question

I want to learn economics, but i know i can't learn about the real economy from mainstream economics. This is why I, an ignorant, humbly ask of you people, who are wiser, to provide me some kind of non-bourgeoise manual for the foundations, or some kind of bibliography, and I'll truly bless you in my heart, comrades, i am completely lost in this subject. Some general guidance is also okay. I appreciate the youtube videos, but i like more to read, I am more used to seriousrly learn by studying a book and everyone who really wants to learn eventually must turn to them anyways. I see the bibliograpy also, but i feel like im too stupid to get into smith, ricardo and marx directly, as if i needed some context, but maybe im wrong, is that the first things i should read?

Stay strong and thank you very much for the attention!!!

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1. It would demonstrate that Iron Dome and David's Sling are insufficient for the defense of Israel
2. It would demonstrate that their nuclear program was actually successful and Trump did nothing to stop it
3. It would demonstrate that they are capable of Mutually Assured Destruction with Israel if existentially threatened by US intervention
4. It could kill Netanyahu / decapitate Israeli high command

>>2347758
5. it would be reallly really based



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Wu Wei is the graceful art of effortless action, the Daoist way of flowing with life rather than constantly fighting against it. It's not about doing nothing—it’s about doing things so naturally that they unfold with ease, like a river winding around rocks instead of crashing into them.
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>>2312342
Its exclusively Italian

>>2300356
It's ironically because they don't have elections to smooth things out. The superstructure is socialist, and the superstructure will affect the material base.

Moreover, political elites (vanguard) as a class seem dominant over economic elites (porkies).

Basically, automation and AI is existential terror in the West, but it's the path to higher-level Communism in China.

So, get a ML degree, do a few rounds for Anthropic / OpenAI, and defect!

the official ideology of leftypol

>>2314613
So it seems so it seems

>>2299292
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm

> The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.


- Mao Zedong



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Norwegian communist party is now at 7,3% with a consistent and steady trend that is growing rapidly. Rødt is now the largest left-wing party outside of the main legacy party Arbeiderpartiet.
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>>2345655
very good!

>>2345655
S-Shut up!

>>2345655
>>2345646
more like the kůck party

>>2344012
Norway isn't in the EU. The UK was fully in, they just had tso exceptions: no eurozone and no schengen area.

>>2344163
I don't think she would approve of any naked military aggression, especially when it is based on nationalist sentiment.



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IIIrd World War Edition

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NO. REFUNDS.

>>2347168
Iran is anti-imperialist. Iran destroyed all zionist ministries.

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>aljazeera english live keeps platforming dozens of israeli civilians saying they think american bombings will bring peace, but they don't interview a single iranian
i'm losing my mind

>>2347210
sorry anon, aljazeera pretty much sucks too. they are trying to not get banned in the west

>Iran's parliament approves closure of the Strait of Hormuz
>As per CGTN.
don't cook another thread. Gen#32 is alive



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George Dubya Trump edition

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>>2346239
I've always found it weird how Cuckler of all people doesn't realize that Article 5 is a big bluff.

>>2345533
Why does that say IDF strike? Is this from last week?

>>2346104
I issued an apology

>get bombed
>no plane shot down, no carrier sunk, not even a single response towards the bomber, but claim you escalate your nuke program
pathetic, either surrender or fight back, but this is just asking to get bombed some more

china being so passive while also being the obvious next rising empire seems to be throwing off some of the math that usually comes up when the old empire dies out. Normally it gives the punching bags of the last empire a change to become irritants that the old empire can't quite deal with because of the issues faced by the big new threat. But apparently instead we just get a world where everyone's kinda a bitch.



 

I was reading about this artist called Wyndham Lewis (found him through a book on Virginia Woolf's denunciation of fascism) who operated from the 1910s to the 1950s roughly who started something called the 'Vorticist' movement which was basically a shitty cubist clone (left is an example). Lewis was very machisimo patriarchal pro-fascist in his youth, saying that Anglo-Saxons should unite against 'all the Blacks, Browns, and High Yallers’ and finding ᴉuᴉlossnW and Hitler quite compelling early on. He talked often about there being a crisis for men not finding women now that they found independence (remind you of anything?) and was very big on moid machisimo in art. His main critique of Hitler was that he focused too much on Germans and not on race in general.

However, in the 30's he becomes disillusioned with Hitler and ends up in the early 40s becoming a full melting-pot style Lib. Whilst living in America he declared that the greatest advantage of being American was to have "turned one's back on race, caste, and all that pertains to the rooted state." In 1937 he produced the second piece 'The Surrender of Barcelona' a depiction of old Barcelona as an open cosmopolitan city, liberated, but one that is somehow surrendering to an invisible, existential enemy (an allegory for its descent into fascism).

IMO this piece is much better than his earlier work and shows that fascists are mentally ill freaks who can't make good art. The moral of this post is fascists are mentally ill retards and I hope they all get treatment soon.
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>>2344341
>any argument against it can just as easily be levied against anyone with congenital dysfunction. (eugenics)
Is the word eugenics supposed to so scary that it immediately terminates the argument? The Holocaust happened therefore we can't say it's obviously against society's material interest for someone with the genes for cystic fibrosis or Tay-Sachs to pass those genes on?

The eugenics programs we saw in the 20th century were capitalist eugenics, they played out the way they did because of that. Things like sterilizing poor populations or sterilizing/exterminating ethnic groups wouldn't even make sense under socialism and there would be no reason for the ruling proletarian class to do things like that.

>>2346856
That's fucking stupid now get back on topic

>>2344274
Abrasive faggots like this are killing /leftypol/
>Hurr Durr ur a lib
Kys

>>2346951
'lib' is the leftypol equivalent of 'cringe'

>>2346875
nonny i don't think that's happening anytime soon



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>Azov Battalion officially integrated into National Guard of Ukraine in 2014
So you're telling me that Ukraine has nazi groups that are officially integrated into its military and it's somehow not a nazi state?
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>>2346559
calm down

>>2346720
Too brutal? Provoking suicide wasn't my intention, I assure you.

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>>2346852
lmao okay, at least you're saging in recognition that you're angry, you want to say something but don't have anything substantial to retort with.

>>2346857
shallow propaganda



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Back to 2015 edition

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>>2345558
just support one more bourgeois war bro i swear we'll wipe out the reactionary peoples this time i promise

>>2345562
These people are symptomatic of the death throes of the western left, reduced even further from their originally pitiful state. They claim to believe in ruthless criticism but it ultimately rings hollow and is just rote learned repetitions of people long dead.
You can see it in real time in the UK as the population radicalises against Pakistanis (Mirpuris specifically). The population being white, Sikh, black, even Pakistani in many cases, etc. - they're simply not ideologically equipped to deal with it so they resort to censorship.
This puts them in an awkward spot as they're essentially handmaidens to a coming nationalist revolt in a collapsing neoliberal system.
That's a bit too dangerous for them to handle though so they'll simply extend the censorship to metacensorship.

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It's always darkest before the dawn

>>2345390
Israel is the US's imperial project in the middle east from which to project military power. You have it in reverse because you are a Nazi, whether you know it or not.

Did yanks destroy the nuclear facilities or not?



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How do we seriously define fascism?

<Anti-communism

Liberals do it.
<Anti-organized labor
Liberals do it.
<Colonialism
Liberals do it.
<Genocide
Liberals do it.

What, instead of the police beating your ass, it's paramilitary thugs? Instead of parliamentary elections, you have a fascist party dictatorship? But is this really a meaningful difference to liberalism?

How do we seriously define fascism?
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Capitalism separated from ideals of the Enlightenment

merger of bourgeoisie and the state, and the more theyre merged, the more fascist it is :) also overproduction of patriarchy

>>2346821
eh? isn't totalitarianism like, 1984 spying etc? I thought totalitarianism is like fascism but worse

>>2346843
Anon, the USA literally has several spy agencies. The NSA in particular in recent decades has been engaging in illegal mass surveillance.

>hurr ideologies are a collection of traits
Thanks, Wikipedia. Now try doing the same with communism.



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