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France to deploy 70,000 police ahead of new protests
President Emmanuel Macron, who according to aides is postponing a visit later this month to Nigeria and Senegal amid the crisis, held a meeting of his defence council of top ministers and officials and was to meet security forces. He also hosted for the first time representatives of high school pupils, whose protests over conditions at their schools sparked the movement that has broadened into a nationwide show of anger against the government at the rising cost of living.
https://www.newarab.com/news/france-deploy-70000-police-ahead-new-protests

German youth plan France-style mass protests
Gen Z regelt's website clearly states that the initiative is "against all violence," whether directed at people or property. Police say they are "vigilant and relaxed," adding that they intend to protect people's right to congregate and express their opinions. Still, images of massive damage and public violence from France, Italy and Spain have raised concerns among domestic policymakers and police, who have warned against allowing the protests to be hijacked by left-wing extremists.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-youth-plan-france-style-mass-protests/a-79727133

Massive student-led rally marches in Belgrade ahead of Serbian election
The Student List, a leaderless movement of student-backed candidates, wants to end more than 14 years of rule by Vucic’s rightwing populist Serbian Progressive party (SNS) in Sunday’s vote. Civil society groups have said the campaign has been marred by intimidation, arrests and misuse of public resources.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/23/serbia-election-student-list-rally-belgrade-aleksandar-vucic

Protests spread across Syria amid surge in Israeli incursions in the south
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Jayapal, Sanders Question Zuckerberg Over Alleged Meta Interference in Brazilian Election
Leftist Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is facing far-right Sen. Flávio Bolsonaro, the son of former President Jair Bolsonaro, in Sunday’s election. Lula has asked the Superior Electoral Court to probe his challenger over “improper use” of a social network and disqualify him, and Bolsonaro—an ally of US President Donald Trump—has similarly sought Lula’s disqualification.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/brazil-election

Trump administration abandons appeals in fight over student loan forgiveness program
The Education Department wanted to place limits on who could qualify for PSLF, which gives student loan forgiveness to people in government and nonprofit jobs after 10 years of payments. It had sought to bar people at nonprofits who worked on immigration rights and other left-leaning issues, but the move was blocked by a judge over the summer. The Justice Department originally appealed the judge’s decision but on Wednesday agreed to drop the case with little explanation.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/6164998-public-service-loan-forgiveness-student-debt-relief-pslf/
https://archive.ph/GfuPH

Employers Shift Rising Health Care Costs Onto Millions of Workers
Many people are also paying thousands of dollars in medical expenses when they get sick, because companies have increased the plans’ deductibles to offset increases in premiums. The yearly price, on average, for employees to cover their family is now $7,471 a year, up 9 percent from 2025. The total cost for a family plan, including the amount the employer contributes to the annual premiums, has reached $28,303.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/22/business/health-insurance-costs-workers-premiums-deductibles.html
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Another East Jerusalem neighbourhood is demolished as the world fails to act
Down a track and past a pile of debris, 20 or so well-dressed people are waiting, all diplomats. I am joining them on a trip around al-Bustan, a Palestinian neighbourhood in occupied East Jerusalem that has been scheduled for demolition. Many homes have been destroyed already. Bustan (“the Orchard”) is to be turned into a car park and recreation ground for settlers - but not for Palestinian residents, who will by then be absent. We stumble past the ruins of what used to be a house. In the garden is a caravan, where we are met by the owner, Fakhri Abu Diab. His wife Ameena, mother of their five children, stands nearby. “They arrived at three in the morning, armed soldiers with black masks putting a gun to my head,” Fakhri recalls of a recent visit. “They took me to interrogation.” On another occasion, they broke Ameena’s glasses. Terrified, she “clenched her jaw so hard that she broke her teeth”. The diplomats shuffle their feet. Fakhri and Ameena, now in their sixties, have lived in Bustan all their lives. Fakhri is chairman of the local residents’ committee, but he won’t be a resident much longer. Their temporary home is scheduled for demolition within 21 days of 4 October, when a new demolition order was pasted on his gate. They don’t know where to go next. “Whenever I hear bulldozers or any machinery, my automatic reaction is that they are coming for us,” Fakhri tells Middle East Eye.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/we-have-lost-hope-world-looks-away-palestines-history-crushed

Czech Republic: Leading KSČM members condemn Konečná's alignment with the far right
Kateřina Konečná's decision to join the far-right, xenophobic and anti-communist Patriots for Europe group in the European Parliament has triggered fierce criticism within the Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia (KSČM). Leading party cadres, including Vice-Chairman Milan Krajča and Petra Prokšanová, have publicly condemned the move, describing it as a fundamental political error and distancing themselves from the former party chairwoman's decision. In a statement published on Thursday, October 22, Krajča stressed that Patriots for Europe brings together right-wing, anti-communist politiciaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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I would like to make this clear, I am uneducated in this department and need a bit of clarity, which is why I ask this question.
I know that this is a question which has probably been asked a million times, but I cannot seem to find a satisfactory answer, so I ask it here.
What is the goal of "Anti-imperialism"? In the times of Lenin, Imperialism actually existed as a very dominant force, with many imperialist powers vying for control over territory and what not. Lenin wrote about Anti-Imperialism because powers like the British Empire and the Belgians actually had a great deal of control over a lot of people, people who resented their control. Lenin says we should support the peoples against the imperialist forces, which makes sense.
Now, we come to the modern context. Take a look at this screenshot from the page "Principles of ProleWiki", which is a ML wiki. Why do they "critically" support them? What does critical support even mean? Wouldn't it make more sense to oppose these nations too, for they are very reactionary and outright oppose communism (e.g. Russian Federation, Islamic Republic of Iran). Modern day imperialism is different from the one Lenin wrote about and the one which existed in that time. Why then do we apply this principle of supporting these bourgeois dictatorships (as even they call it)? They wage wars with NATO, which, while admirable, just benefits NATO and the Military Industrial Complex in the long run. Even though ProleWiki claims they prioritise the interests of the workers in these "anti-imperialist" countries, it hardly feels like that.
So, in short, my question is, why support these countries, why be "anti-imperialist"?
Maybe the whole premise of my question is wrong, in case, please excuse my illiteracy of the subject.

>>2936935
That wiki is libtarded to the gills.

Belarus and Nicaragua are both socialist. Belarus is the only European country where Communists can actively attack liberals in the streets and receive the backing of the security services when doing so. If you read Belarusian opposition media it's very funny when they publish an article whining about the Communists in Belarus beating people up or participating in writing the education curriculum. Nicaragua experimented with social democracy for a bit to try to see if the West would ease up, and then Ortega and the FSLN said "fuck it the Americans hate us anyways", and they took back power and recently banned the bourgeois opposition.

Venezuela under Chavez & Maduro was also arguably moving towards socialism as well.

As for the anti imperialist question that's obvious. It is America and Europe in control of the global financial system, from the IMF to the World Bank. The current capitalist order is based upon American and European financial and military hegemony. That hegemony is a net negative for humanity as their structural adjustment programs and military campaigns constantly destabilize and destroy other countries, retarding economic development and delaying the onset of an active class struggle by forcing entire countries to regress into struggle for subsistence, or turning them into active warzones. When a rich country like Libya or even a moderately prosperous one like Syria gets wiped out, it doesn't just cause waves of immigration and refugees outwards to other countries, it also permanently undercuts the viability and prospect of socialist revolutions in those very areas. Therefore the anti imperialists argue that for socialism to succeed Western unipolarity must first be weakened. After all, competing capitalist powers is what allowed for the first socialist state in Russia to be born, in the aftermath of WW1.

This logic also applies to Ukraine which was badly damaged by an IMF mandated economic program that turned Ukraine into the poorest country in Europe even before Russia invaded. Western hegemony in Ukraine has resulted in harsh austerity, massive poverty and inequality, endless debt, and the banning of all left wing political organizations within Ukraine itself. It is therefore the duty of every socialist to push back against NATO and NATO-aligned stPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2936968
>That wiki is libtarded to the gills.
Yes, I can see that.

>Belarus and Nicaragua are both socialist. Belarus is the only European country where Communists can actively attack liberals in the streets and receive the backing of the security services when doing so. If you read Belarusian opposition media it's very funny when they publish an article whining about the Communists in Belarus beating people up or participating in writing the education curriculum.

Doesn't that make the government just sympathetic to communism, no? I understand that Marxism is not a dogma, but this hardly gives the impression of Belarus being a socialist country, unless there are other things which I am unaware about.

>Nicaragua experimented with social democracy for a bit to try to see if the West would ease up, and then Ortega and the FSLN said "fuck it the Americans hate us anyways", and they took back power and recently banned the bourgeois opposition.

This does feel a bit closer to what I had in mind regarding Nicaragua, thank you for clarifying this.

>Venezuela under Chavez & Maduro was also arguably moving towards socialism as well.

I will take your word for it on this one.

>It is America and Europe in control of the global financial system, from the IMF to the World Bank. The current capitalist order is based upon American and European financial and military hegemony. That hegemony is a net negative for humanity as their structural adjustment programs and military campaigns constantly destabilize and destroy other countries, retarding economic development and delaying the onset of an active class struggle by forcing entire countries to regress into struggle for subsistence, or turning them into active warzones.

Yes, exactly. This is what I was asking. Why support any of the side in the war? The lesser of two evils is still evil, after all. The endless wars they wage for profit are a net negative, better to reject them, no?
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>>2934346
Thank you very much.

>>2937033 (me)
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Here I will be investigating Plato's thoughts on economic matters, derived from his writings. Economics in its etymology refers to the management of a household, but already by Xenophon's "Economist" refers to managing the general estate of a man's property, for the ends of supplying wealth; understood as gain, rather than loss.¹ Economics can thus be seen as a science of wealth in general. So, we must begin with this category.

We see initially that Socrates expresses his humility by a lack of money, which at his trial, is one silver mina,² or 100 drachmae; a drachma being the daily wage of an Athenian labourer of this period. This is an important Platonic theme continued into Christianity, of the difference between internal and external riches. Plato writes, "the truly rich […] not those who are rich in gold but those who are rich in the wealth that the happy must have, namely, a good and rational life".³  Plato also writes, "those who have a lot of property must also need many of the things required […] so the wealthiest people would necessarily appear to us to be in the worst condition."⁴ Xenophon argued that the cause of wealth was not in things themselves, but in our relationship to them, such that money did not count as wealth if it had no purpose to its possessor.⁵ Plato has a connected but contrary argument, that all property is of use to its possessor: "everything which is property must also be useful".⁶ Plato makes property and wealth synonymous, while Xenophon distinguishes wealth as a condition of property. I feel that Xenophon avoids contradiction, for he assigns wealth to the propertyless, while Plato falls into confusion, central to the Paradox of Value, typified by Aristotle's diagnosis: "gold is a better thing than iron, though less useful: it is harder to get, and therefore more worth getting. In another way, the plentiful is a better thing than the rare, because we can make more use of it."⁷ If property is wealth, and wealth is utility, then iron counts "more" as property than gold. I sympathise with Eryxias here; "becoming seriously confused by the argument".⁸ This is then Plato's general view of wealth.

We see that Plato has a distaste for wealth, which as he continues, is the cause of war: "all wars are due to the desire to acquire wealth",⁹ and this ambition for wealth, he adds, "makes us too busy to practice philosophy."¹⁰ So then, wealth is his nemesis, which is why he critiques the freedom of propPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Plato sees that all wealth pursues the ends of health in the body, and therefore, the one who seeks possession of the most property is most sick.¹ This is reminiscent of Democritus' thoughts, that poverty only measures one's desire for greater ends; not one's lack of means,² which like Plato's [Eros], is born from poverty.³ As it is written thus, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth […] store up for yourselves treasures in heaven […] where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."⁴ Here, austerity is wise for the sake that it makes a man fuller to be without need, but in this is also a reversal, since where the body is fulfilled in its purpose, the mind now has independence, in pursuit of its own luxury. This is described by Aristotle; "as more arts were invented, and some were directed to the necessities of life, others to its recreation, the inventors of the latter were always regarded as wiser than the inventors of the former, because their branches of knowledge did not aim at utility. Hence when all such inventions were already established, the sciences which do not aim at giving pleasure or at the necessities of life were discovered, and first in the places where men first began to have leisure. This is why the mathematical arts were founded in Egypt; for there the priestly caste was allowed to be at leisure."⁵ Here, leisure follows necessity, as the useless follows the useful. Thus, luxury is conceived of likewise.

We see a double-character in this assessment. It is the capacity for leisure which brings about a capacity for knowledge, yet knowledge is evidently superfluous, or secondary to life, attested to by Aristotle himself. This is also repeated by Cicero, who writes, "When we are free from necessary affairs and cares, then we long to see, to hear, and to learn something…"⁶ So then, for the full development of a person, there must be an extension into leisure, which thence encourages talents (scholē). Nonetheless, leisure cannot be seen as an end in itself, for the Romans had caution against idleness caused by "otium" (leisure); a symptom of boredom brought about by unemployment (otium was opposed to "negotium"). The Greek gymnasium can thus be seen as an invention designed to combat idle leisure, since in the culture of Athens, only freemen were permitted to use it, making the artificial labour of exercise a decadent compromise. Richard Whately therefore rightly disputes Necessity as the "motPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2910659
Wondering what anon thought of this

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>>2937777
I don't find it to be particularly noteworthy.
As I provide here:
>>2854956
>>2855317
My conjecture provides a rationalisation of Marx's total system, not simply aspects of dialectical presentation, say. I personally believe that Marx intended his Critique to be structured according to Hegelian conception, but I cannot prove it directly, which is my original hesitation. For example, as we may read from "Marx's Capital and Hegel's Logic" (2014) there are contrary opinions from people more educated than myself, in the affirmative and the negative, so one cannot say for certain Marx's own intention. Certainly, Marx's work is dialectical, even to his deficit (e.g. revision in the second edition of Das Kapital largely concerned a simplification of his "value form" analysis, by request – we see in Marx's 1872 note to the French translation that he preferred simplicity in editing so as to reach the working class). To restate my own interpretation, the movement of "value" to its self-positing unity between objective and subjective means of becoming, constituting "capital" (t. value-in-process) is the "substance" of labour becoming subject; i.e. Spirit. I took this perspective from a Moishe Postone interview, showing the failure of the subject of "labour" to liberate itself. Marx in the 1844 Manuscripts is tragic on this. It is also true that Marx wanted to liberate labour though, so Postone insisting upon abolishing the category as such is at the very least a faux-Marxism, more in line with the utilitarianism of Adam Smith, as Marx writes:
<In the sweat of thy brow shalt thou labour! was Jehovah’s curse on Adam. And this is labour for Smith, a curse […] labour always appears as repulsive, always as external forced labour; and not-labour, by contrast, as ‘freedom, and happiness’ […] Labour regarded merely as a sacrifice, and hence value-positing, as a price paid for things and hence giving them price depending on whether they cost more or less labour, is a purely negative characterization
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According to Communization Theory, what can communists actually do in terms of action. Is it actually like some users on here say, that communists and communist organizations can't even serve a supplementary role in the real movement? Is it really just sitting back and waiting for the proletariat to spontaneously rise up and then finally communists should get involved?
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>>2936217
maybe
sniff
maybe
but what's the diff btwn dauve's critique of substitutionism and trotsky's critique of substitutionism

>>2936348
>seizing state power is the revolution
>>2936424
<Not for marxists or anarchists
then what is "revolution" according to them? because I always thought of it as the moment when the proletariat seizes the state and uses it to suppress the bourgeoisie, and establish proletarian class-dictatorship, and then enact changes that "gradually transform" (Engels!) society. I.e. you seize the state and do reforms that weren't possible under the previous class dictatorship because they were always sabotaged or blocked by the previous ruling class. So we see in this view that revolution and reform are not opposites, it's just that the latter must happen after the former, not before.

>>2936446
Thank you for this, doesn't seem as retarded as I thought it was.

>>2936446
>communizers see unions as a mediators who do not further the class struggle towards the enactment of communist measures and in fact see unions as obstacles that must be overcome during the social revolution.
i think it depends on whether those unions are labor-aristocratic/collaborationist/imperialist or not

>>2936434
I didn't ask for a list of prescriptions from you "real"tm socialism checklist. I asked what choices could these people realistically and concretely make that would have resulted in different outcomes. The "mistakes" the we were supposedly to learn from

Why should anyone care about some accounting done by dutch faggots that never amounted to anything? Which already got dogwalked by Lenin over a century ago. The soviet union tried various methods of accounting for labor-time and all it did was return to some kind of wage form.

Most socialist states tried to integrate and advance modern technology to the maximum extent possible. The soviet union for instance went from a semi-feudal backwater to putting people in space in the span of a few decades. If you're talking about the lack of computerization in the SU I agree it was an mistake, though mostly a meme atp, a throwaway issue

Again "support workers self management" is just a vague platitude regarding stuff that historic socialist countries have already done and continue to do, same with political democracy, etc.

I ask again, what alternative choices could these specific states have made? What are the supposed "stagist mistakes" that we are supposed to learn from?



 

What is the leftypol consensus on Western Neo-Dengist economics, specifically economists such as Isabella Weber, that are making huge waves right now?
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>>2937778
there are marx quotes in there too. any time i "spam" these quotes 2 things usually happen.

>people ASSOOM the point i am trying to make with them instead of just reading them at face value


>people accuse me of "quotemining" or "taking marx and lenin out of context" but never establish what the correct context is


the replies i get are usually short, low effort, full of accusations ,etc. these are the same anons who will just reply with "read marx" or "read lenin" usually but then when you actually quote marx and lenin they get very upset.

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>>2937781
>Resolutely denounce Deng Xiaoping's reactionary crimes

pretty sure the cultural revolutionaries killed more Communist Party members than Deng Xiaoping did, including veterans of the World Antifascist War, but as usual with you types, killing comrades is the goal, as long as you make sure to slander them as not real communists beforehand.

<The United States and the Soviet Union have held talks that showed an encouraging tendency towards disarmament. We are happy to see this. I looked forward to the end of the Cold War, but now I feel disappointed. It seems that one Cold War has come to an end but that two others have already begun: one is being waged against all the countries of the South and the Third World, and the other against socialism. The Western countries are staging a third world war without gunsmoke. By that I mean they want to bring about the peaceful evolution of socialist countries towards capitalism. We are not surprised at the developments in Eastern Europe. These changes were bound to take place sooner or later. The trouble there started from inside. The Western countries have the same attitude towards China as towards the East European countries. They are unhappy that China adheres to socialism. The turmoil that arose in China this year also had to come about sooner or later. We ourselves were partly to blame. As you know, two of our General Secretaries fell because of their failure to deal with the problem of bourgeois liberalization. If China allowed bourgeois liberalization, there would inevitably be turmoil.[…] the Group of Seven summit meeting issued a declaration imposing sanctions on China. What qualifies them to do that? Who granted them the authority? Actually, national sovereignty is far more important than human rights, but they often infringe upon the sovereignty of poor, weak countries of the Third World. Their talk about human rights, freedom and democracy is only designed to safeguard the interests of the strong, rich countries, which take advantage of their strength to bully weak countries, and which pursue hegemony and practice power politics. We never listen to such stuff. Nor do you.


  • Deng Xiaoping, Speaking to Julius Nyerere, We Must Adhere To Socialism and Prevent Peaceful Evolution Towar
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>>2937789
Kill yourself mao won

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UPHOLD KIRKZALO THOUGHT!

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>>2937791
>Kill yourself mao won

Yes, let us remember the words of the Great Helmsman Mao Zedong:

<The upper petty bourgeoisie and middle bourgeoisie, oppressed and injured by the landlords and big bourgeoisie and their state power, may take part in the new-democratic revolution or stay neutral, though they are themselves bourgeois. They have no ties, or comparatively few, with imperialism and are the genuine national bourgeoisie. Wherever the state power of New Democracy extends, it must firmly and unhesitatingly protect them. […] It is absolutely impermissible to repeat such wrong ultra-Left polices towards the upper petty bourgeois and middle bourgeois sectors in the economy as our Party adopted during 1931-34 (unduly advanced labor conditions, excessive income tax rates, encroachment on the interests of industrialists and merchants during the land reform, and the adoption as a goal of the so-called "workers' welfare", which was a short-sighted and one-sided concept, instead of the goal of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital). To repeat such mistakes would certainly damage the interests both of the working masses and of the new-democratic state. […] To sum up, the economic structure of New China will consist of: (1) the state-owned economy, which is the leading sector; (2) the agricultural economy, developing step by step from individual to collective; and (3) the economy of small independent craftsmen and traders and the economy of small and middle private capital. These constitute the whole of the new-democratic national economy. The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong.


  • Mao Zedong, The Present Situation and Our Tasks, 25th December, 1947. Preserved in The Selected Works of Mao Zedong


<”We want to do business.” Quite right, business will be done. We are against no one e
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da mod will be buried in da Chagos
coconut in di skull mi kill

>>2935698
hey remember in 2008 when Californians got together and voted to ban gay marriage?

>>2935772
the pro-loli argument boils down to not being a reactionary retard. get over it.

Any advice for Jack wilimos heading into November? The hands of that genius are ready to big or go home.

>>2935628
>slander that can't attack a single claim made in the video



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I'm tired of seeing people missing the point entirely. "It's the zionists" "It's the epsteins" "it's dajoos" even.
This is just an extension of the altright diverting understandable rage against the current state of things but pinning all the blame on "le juice" and I fucking hate it. It's specially frustrating for me how many people with revolutionary potential fall for this trick.
Of course, zionism is a very big problem affecting not just Palestine but also other countries where Israel is doing colonialist extraction (it's happening a lot in Latin America) and most jews support Israel but reducing your worldview to simply "Israel bad joos bad" doesn't lead anywhere and as I said makes you ripe to become coopted by far-right retards. "Israel bad" becomes "Hitler good" way too fast way too often.
I'm pissed off that's all.
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>>2935674
How the fuck is capitalism automatically pro-apartheid? Capitalism in the long run wants to make everybody a double-free laborer with no racial limits to employment. Marx was against slavery for a reason.

Israel as it exists in its current form is an anomaly. The majority of the Western ruling class would actually prefer a more palpable, left-liberal, softer form of Palestinian oppression.

>>2937646
>How the fuck is capitalism automatically pro-apartheid?
Uyghur please tell me you're not being serious.

>>2937646
>How the fuck is capitalism automatically pro-apartheid?
The idolatrous Mammon-worshipping d.egenerate system that your people like to label as "Capitalism" was birthed from slave-owner societies. The starting wealth which kick-started industrialization for the West was generated from genocide and colonialism. Capitalism goes hand in hand with apartheid, racism, slavery, and other ills.

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2097745124021108961

>>2937630
>neither positive or negative regarding socialism
shalom

>>2937656
>the West
Capitalism is a global system.
The transatlantic slave trade involved Africans selling other Africans into slavery. Isolating it to a few polities entirely misses the point.



 

General duscussion thread Inspired by the sucess of the Esoteric Hitlerism threads we used to have a while ago - talk about the O9A,Atomwaffen, and their modern knockoffs that are so often in the news these days. Thread to materially analyze and generally discuss anything you want about these groups from a leftist perspective.
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I thought the intelligence connections of these groups were especially interesting. Maybe slightly off topic, but I'm reading a book about the OKC bombing and Timothy McVeigh rn and though I'm not that far in there's already obvious glow in the dark shit concerning the White Nationalist militia movement and the state's insintence on McVeigh acting alone with minimal help for Nichols and Fortier to the point that they didn't even bring a witness to place him anywhere on the day of the bombing because those witnesses all saw at least one person accompanying McVeigh.

>>2937278
Yes, but maybe like the Animal Liberation Front in the '80s and 90's, In method of organisation only, obviously.
There was a central group who put out information.
But the idea was people would form their own groups and act independently. In the case of the ALF, members were often members of hunt saboteur groups.
Maybe ONA is a punk and more evil version of the old secret societies such as the Golden Dawn. In a biography of Aleister Crowley I read the author suggested that these orders were basically alternative gentleman's clubs.
With the ONA, there might also be a link to neo Nazi ideas about "leaderless resistance", or even the WWII Nazi "Mission Command" tactics.

>>2937296
To be fair, in post 9/11 west, anything other than leaderless resistance would be suicide regardless of the political motivation. Gone are the days of centralized organizations with commanders and lieutenants. Not that they were that sucessful in the 60s either (see Symbionese Liberstion Army and RAF)

>>2936991
>Myatt never admitted involvement with the O9A
You're right. I overstated this point.
What's funny of course is that even in that interview, he admits to creating the Star Game in 1975 – I wonder how that got back to old Anton, eh? The best case of Myatt's humiliating deception is in the Satanic Letters of Stephen Brown, where Michael Aquino rejects him for promoting human sacrifice (what Aquino properly identifies as a Christian veneration), and directly alleges that Myatt/Brown/Long are the same person. It was known all the way back then – so much for "honour".
>>2937218
>complex and confusing
If you read the text, its all quite simple.
Life is an intersection of causal and acausal energy. The goal of the initiate is to increase his acausality until he becomes "immortal". This energy is not just in individuals, but in peoples. History moves by the aeonic sorcery of chosen adepts (e.g. cliology). The new era will be a galactic imperium, etc. Its a revised Spenglerian view of historical process, with added occult jargon. The West is Faustian, and so on. In Myatt's 1984 text "Vindex" he interestingly discounts Marxism as a Faustian worldview, since it is Magian (e.g. Jewish), but Spengler saw it as authentically Western – Lenin's 'components' make that clear.
>>2937278
No – its literally the ramblings of like, 4 guys. Myatt, Moult, Ford and Sutter. All secondary characters are LARPers or schizos. It has no real existence as a 'group' or movement – its just edgy aesthetics.
>>2937296
The Golden Dawn actually had cultural elites in it.

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>>2937218
>>2937657
The added lore, first exposited in the Satanic Letters, is that the o9a is apparently part of a Sinister Tradition, stretching back milennia (with Merlin Ambrosius being the last public initiate). Anton Long was also initiated by a mistress in 1969, in Shropshire, so he is the final disciple. The construction of this myth is to locate Hyperborea in Britain itself, so as to give meaning to the land. The hyperborean symbol in Naos is Stone Henge for that reason – interestingly, in Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain (1136 CE), the "Giant's Dance" is transported from Ireland, with the stones themselves originally coming from Africa. So, this ancient symbol is apparently African, not British, based in its myth. Hermeticism, by the seven-fold way (7fw) is also the Western current, as opposed to the "Magian", and so this is the Sinister Tradition, as opposed to the Nazarene. I have previously shown how Plato is really the originator of kabbalah – and further, Gmirckin sees Judaism itself as derivative of Plato. Jews are a 'Western' construct, which is probably why Europeans worship a Jew as their God. Even the Corpus Hermeticum seems to plagiarise The Book of John, so the distinction of 'traditions' is meaningless. By the same terms, alchemy was founded by a Jewish woman; Hermetic philosophy only followed through with what was antecedent to it. Similarly, the revival of alchemy in the West comes through the Arabs. Renaissance is the cosmopolitan landscape brought about from urban, medieval trade.



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If anarchist calisthenics is to break the law in small ways just to develop the habit and thus be ready to fuck shit up in an uprising, what would communist calisthenics be?
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Hate-watching Sam Hyde would be a good example (i have a crush on him but it has nothing to do with it)

Shitfling 24/7 on a liberian cork carving board to practice sectarianism and purges when they win power

>>2937313
Material balance planning on your laptop, designing the perfect labor voucher system

Supppooooort third world bourgeoisie

>>2937313
>what would communist calisthenics be?
Anarchists are communists.



 

Genel Türkiye siyaseti ile ilgili konuşun!

Li ser siyaseta giştî ya Tirkiyê biaxive!

Şıma qısey bıkı Poliya Turika!

Yurtişi siyaseti p'ara yoxaleps!

تحدثوا عن السياسة العامة في تركيا!
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>>2809728
I can't believe sex tourism existed even back then

>>2834874
Comrade, since you brought up the subject of "taking to the mountains," I would like to share my thoughts—though perhaps a bit selfishly. Regardless of how necessary or essential the act of "taking to the mountains" may have been at the time, it ultimately brought a negative reputation to the revolutionary and labor movements in Anatolia. Among the peoples of Turkey—Turks, in particular—the influence of the Kemalist regime has always persisted. Because Mustafa Kemal was a military man, this bourgeois culture inherently possesses a militaristic character. In the context of the struggle for national liberation in Kurdistan—driven by the necessities of that era—the concept of a "revolution from the countryside to the cities" (a Maoist term) was frequently attempted and employed by revolutionaries; it advocates for guerrilla warfare. There are specific reasons why this approach proved detrimental to the revolutionary movements in both Anatolia and Kurdistan. A significant factor is the racist narrative—originating during the era of Mustafa Kemal—that "everyone living in Türkiye is a Turk," which has affected a large number of Kurds. In other words, engaging in armed conflict alongside a population that had not yet fully embraced or reclaimed its own identity invited backlash from within that very community. This situation provided the regime with an opportunity to point to these groups and tell the rest of Türkiye: "Look, here is an example of how a 'minority' ought to behave!" Meanwhile, the Turkish public has long harbored a tradition of submission to the state—a legacy of the feudal era—coupled with a nationalist identity. Under Mustafa Kemal’s bourgeois government, this identity was rebranded as "republican" and proclaimed to be "progressive." Unfortunately, the notion that this identity is "progressive" has begun to gain traction among today’s youth, partly as a reaction to the Neo-Ottomanist rhetoric of the Erdoğan administration. Returning to the subject, the term "taking to the mountains"—which has become synonymous with the Kurdistan region—has, due to this nationalist identity, caused the labor and revolutionary movement in the Anatolian region to be perceived by the public as "Kurdish nationalists" or "terrorists." Consequently, revolutionary organizations that emerged in Anatolia, such as the DHKP-C (Revolutionary People's Liberation ParPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2845741
Fokoculuk ve kırdan şehire bizi bitirdi baba, bizi kim siktiyse maoculardan sikti.

>>2934709
>>2934691
I really appreciate your posts, comrade. Thank you. Very educational.
On the Kurdish question, do you think this peace process will prevail? To me it seems it has faltered recently, but the PKK has put themselves in a very bad spot if they as they have claimed really have abandoned 'Metina and Medya' Defense Zones, and the statements from their leadership shows a certain amount of pessimism. The sticking point (even leaving aside the ultra-nationalist elements within Turkey) as i see it is that an organized political force with such discipline, who will also be revered as heros by many Kurds within Turkey, seems more dangerous within the state and within mainstream political process, for example; if the trusteeship system was removed and the PKK cadres really were to come down from the mountains and engage in civil politics (with the HDP or as a new party in coalition with the HDP) would it be not almost guaranteed they would gain control of Kurdish majority cities like Diyarbakır, Van or Batman, and of all those towns in which had uprisings and in which the state sent their guns and their bombs and their artillery pieces to quash through the mid 2010s (I mean the siege and assaults on Silvan, Sur and Cizre, etc.)? Surely is this political influence not a more dangerous thing to the bourgeois class and the state apparatus than, what would seem the more attractive offer to the state, that is having long ago pushed the PKK out of Turkey, simply leaving them to their own, remaining holed up in Qandil, stuck in this strategic stalemate until the leadership dies off or gets picked off by bombers and raids, letting the organization decay through inertia?

>>2936489
Sorry, i was saying HDP here but meant to say DEM Party. Your country outlaws them so fast i cannot keep up.



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