/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2337798
Okay fair enough.
>Im saying it's a disservice to africa to lump them all together like this when we dont do that to other continents. Why not have a /northafrica/, /sahel/, /east/westafrica/,etc instead?
Because they won't get enough posts and quickly fall off. This was already an issue with previous threads despite it being a thread several have interest in.

Protests are heating up in Kenya. a shooting yesterday and roaming armed gangs:
Kenya protesters clash with men wielding clubs
Kenyan protesters have clashed with club-carrying young men, believed to be loyal to the government, in the centre of the capital, Nairobi.
The demonstration, held in the wake of the death in custody 10 days ago of blogger and teacher Albert Ojwang, was called to demand the sacking of a top police officer.
Police initially said that Mr Ojwang died of self-inflicted wounds, but were forced to retract the statement after an autopsy found that it was likely he died after being assaulted. Two policemen have been arrested in connection with the death.

The protest comes amid simmering tension ahead of next week's first anniversary of the storming of parliament by demonstrators.
Earlier on Tuesday, there were pockets of violence in the capital's central business district when groups of young men riding motorbikes, armed with whips and clubs, attacked protesters.
Videos show the men - described locally as "goons" - seemingly working side-by-side with police, who fired teargas to try and disrupt the demonstrations.
The police have denied any link saying that it has "noted a group of goons armed with crude weapons, in today's protests… The service takes great exception and does not condone such unlawful groupings."

>Why the death of a blogger has put Kenya's police on trial
A vendor was shot during Tuesday's demonstration, sparking renewed outrage from Kenyans who accuse police of using excessive force against protesters.
Boniface Kariuki was reportedly selling masks when a uniformed police officer fired a bullet at close range, critically injuring him.
His father, John Kariuki, told local media that the bullet went through his head, just above the ear.
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>>2337866
Yeah that makes sense, I could have guessed that. I should not have taken such an accusatory tone in my first post.

Anti-Ruto anon i hope you're safe.

Because those pagan religions did not integrate themselves enough into the mode of production. A slave society or nomad society can be either pagan or monotheist. It doesn't matter. So if a pagan society is conquered by a monotheist one, people can convert easily and it doesn't change their fundamental social relations.

>If it isn't, then how Jewish minority had survived Middle Ages and even adapted to the ascent of capitalist better than most, meanwhile literally every single European pagan was exterminated by Christians?
Because monotheism's greatest sin is polytheism and thus, they got wiped out while the monotheist Jews were left "relatively" alone. Even Muhammad's reign saw them left alone as long as they paid jizya. The resentments occurred with the removal of their special privileges like usury and Muhammads iron fist when dealing with long-standing tribal privileges.

>no Middle Eastern polytheist tradition (some of which were older than Judaism) had survived the Islamic conquests?
Pagans were not given the choice of paying jizya, it was convert or die. Islam's main point is that Christians strayed from monotheism with Jesus worship and idols so Muhammad was sent to correct the record one last time. Jews and Christians were given the chance of peace because they are monotheistic and their texts are protected by command in the Quran as there might be a smidgen of "truth" in them. Pagans meanwhile, are completely at odds with monotheism. Islam won because it was much more powerful than the scattered, isolated, tribal cultures that surrounded the region. Islam's power came from ignoring tribal traditions in favor of a unifying monotheistic ideology.

Christians meanwhile didn't even give the choice of a tax. They just killed them all, like in Spain.

>Is Abrahamic privilege a thing that does really exist?
I have no idea what this means. There's a historical materialist explanation for the route religion took somewhere but simply put, religion evolved overtime with everything else. It went like grave worship -> ancestor worship -> idols -> polytheism -> monotheism. It's not divine power or whatever "abrahamic privilege" means.

>>2339758
>Abrahamic privellege
you seem to be talking about Judaism specifically ITT but "Abrahamic" also refers to Christianity and Islam.

Your general question is "how do minorities survive"? The answer is always "carefully"

>>2339933
>Because monotheism's greatest sin is polytheism
Which is funny because every single monotheistic religion does henotheistic/polytheistic tropes when they feel like. The trinity. Angels and demons. The devil. TRVE monotheism would be something like Deism or Spinozist Pantheism.

>wtf how do these monotheistic religions keep surviving?
git gud, scrub

>>2338357
real or neocons putting pressure on Trump?

>>2338328
Lot of good it did, for Europe or Palestine, if this is where we are 50 years later.

>>2338328
RAF was out slashing tires for the meme

>>2338151
madurochads stay winning

Taken from 4chan's /isr/ thread:

The Home Front Command confirms the report on Galatz: One of the missiles that exploded this morning in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area was a cluster munition, a “scatter munition.”

This is a missile that disperses several small bombs while at an altitude of about 7 km in the air. At this altitude, the missile's warhead opens and splits, and about 20 small bombs fly out of it within a radius of about 8 km.

The Home Front Command says that each small bomb that disperses weighs about 2.5 kg. These are bombs with a “hard-hitting mechanism” - meaning that when they hit the ground, they explode.

The Home Front Command emphasizes that this is a missile that was known and familiar until now. The damage caused by each small bomb is similar to that of a short-range Hezbollah rocket: "The threat is broader in geographical terms, but it is much smaller than the warheads of ballistic missiles, which weigh an average of 400 kg.

Following the incident, the Home Front Command launched a public awareness campaign today about the new threat of cluster bombs:
1. The defense is no different—as with any other threat, it is necessary to enter a protected space without change.
2. The scattering of small bombs means that there are quite a few duds - so the emphasis to the public is that wherever such a dud is identified - be careful, stay away and do not touch it - and of course report it to the authorities.

Great, now they're throwing fucking cluster bombs at us.

Iranian missiles hit nearby the Israeli Stock Exchange and damaged some of its buildings.

Need new thread, old thread was deleted.

>>2339331
made one already >>2339330

what does HEMP mean lads

also based Iran making Israel unlivable. Is it true that Israelis are fleeing the country because it's not safe anymore?

>>2338998
For example, imagine being a brainwashed retard for over 30-40 years studying Chicago school economics "muh freeeeee market" and some guy (who you think is worse than Hitler) tries to show you "the way", so you just lib your way out of it.

Moral of the story is there is no moral and we should wait for capital to go into crisis mode so the petite-bourgeoisie can flock to your ideology instead.

>>2338998
Sunk cost is also practically the same as conditioning, "socialization" only works when you take the deformed shitty thing out of its shitty environment which is impossible because you have to take the environment to it not take it into another environment since the deformed shitty lumpen thing won't move out of its comfort zone (retardation).

>>2338998
>doomerism
They call it "zen fascism".
Embrace Prospective Thinking is apparently the answer to escaping sunk cost, another place says "Overcoming the sunk cost fallacy requires resetting, reflecting, focusing on future costs and benefits, and embracing change".

There is only one way to change the thinking of a person who refuses to go through this, the brain chemistry is fundamentally handicapping that person and they must take psychoactive drugs to change their strain of thought entirely unless contradictions are to meet (person wanting to change versus person preserving the status quo) which can only result in violence.

Iran War Protests Break Out in US Cities
Small demonstrations have taken place in multiple cities across the United States over the past few days urging the Trump administration not to join Israel in military action against Iran. Protests were recorded in San Jose, California, on Tuesday as well as New York City and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on Monday, with demonstrators holding up signs such as "hands off Iran." Newsweek contacted the U.S. State Department for comment on Wednesday via online inquiry form outside regular office hours.
https://www.newsweek.com/iran-war-protests-break-out-us-cities-2087453
https://archive.ph/aNS1o

House Democrat Under Fire for 'Reckless and Repugnant' Resolution Backing War on Iran
Sherman introduced the resolution Tuesday alongside Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.) and 14 cosponsors, including Democratic Reps. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.) and Shri Thanedar (D-Mich.). The resolution praises Israel's attacks on Iran, characterizing them as "preemptive and proportional strikes" that "advance the vital United States national security interest in a nuclear-free Iran." The measure also "mourns the 24 Israelis killed and 590 Israelis wounded" by Iran's retaliatory attacks, but does not mention the more than 580 Iranians killed during the first five days of Israel's assault.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/brad-sherman-iran-war

Life-threatening heat wave in the Midwest and Northeast to kick off official start of summer
Over the next two days, more than 120 million people are under the threat for severe storms from the Midwest to the East Coast. The risk for severe weather – which could produce damaging wind, tornadoes, large hail and possible flash flooding – is at a level 3 out of 5 on Wednesday from Michigan to Missouri, including the cities of Indianapolis and Louisville. Meanwhile, the risk of severe weather for the cities of Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Nashville and Texarkana is at a level 2 out of 5 on Wednesday.
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Kamala Harris Didn’t Lose Because of Racism
In mid-May of this year, former New York Times columnist and public intellectual Charles Blow declared on one of his social media accounts that those attributing President Donald Trump’s 2024 reelection primarily to former President Joe Biden’s cognitive decline are obscuring “the racist, misogynist, nativist, risk-it-all, devil-may-care doom lust among the year’s electorate.” Blow went on to say that “rather than accept Harris, America chose the flame.” Within the liberal pundit class, the tendency to attribute Vice President Kamala Harris’s loss principally to racism or misogynoir (hatred of black women) runs deep. In a postelection interview on MSNBC, Princeton University distinguished professor of African American studies Eddie Glaude asserted of Trump’s reelection: “We chose a felon because we didn’t want to elect a black woman,” which means “we would rather destroy the republic than for that to have happened.” If I had a dollar for every time I happened upon a meme or social media post or found myself in conversation with friends or colleagues that echoed Blow’s and Glaude’s sentiments, I might be able to retire by the end of the year. I confess, I’ve never been thrilled by Blow’s racial moralizing. The fundamental problem with a moralistic discourse on race and inequality is that neither righteousness nor righteous outrage permit explication of context. Harris’s not terribly surprising loss was owed to many factors, not just the electorate’s racism or sexism. And Blow — who has written some very thoughtful columns on the issues informing support for Trump among Hispanics as well as black male discomfort with Harris-Walz — knows this, even if he’s not always comfortable with where context takes us.
https://jacobin.com/2025/06/harris-trump-democrats-race-reductionism

Modi’s New Doctrine: Unending War
IN the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, Prime Minister Modi, in a public address on May 12, set out a new doctrine consisting of three guidelines. These must be analysed and understood as they have serious implications for the strategic and security policies of the country. They also portend major consequences for peace and stability in the South Asian region. The three-point declaration is as follows: Firstly, if there Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thanks Newz Anon

>>2337850
The flag on the left represents the unmarked mass graves of Iranian workers

PFLP were a lapdog for the nationalists but at least they were popular now they're the lapdog of the Islamists and dead

>>2338133
>so adam smith wasnt idealist enough
You are conflating abstraction and idealism. I thought you said you were not a positivist and were not playing word games. it appears that you just make things up and then repeat them, poisoning the well of public discourse, by boldfaced dishonesty and stupidity, even self-admittedly and proudly. you are a proud liar and idiot. is there anything more dangerous to society?

>>2338207
Have you tried posting your critique of Marx on /r/neoliberal? I think they would celebrate your deliberate illiteracy a lot more than this site does.

>>2338262
>what illiteracy have i shown?
>"innate qualities"
>marx and engels' judgement against empiricism is that its "idealist", when it is precisely opposite
He is very clearly saying the exact opposite of what you claim, that naive empiricisms abstraction is idealist because it is not grounded concretely in social and historical relations. At least you use quotes around "idealism" but you are dishonestly twisting it and using a meaning opposite to Marx that assumes positivist metaphysics where all abstractions are non-material which Marx does not subscribe to and in fact is the very object of the critique you quote. You could work on your comprehension and read more carefully but to do so would be an admission that you are playing word games rather than addressing the subject. Its obvious to anyone familiar that the problem here is not that materialist dialectics does not solve the issue of infinite regression, its that you reject the solution because you are yourself an idealist by faith and cannot be rationally convinced otherwise.

>>2326343
>as a materialist, what is matter?
This:

>>2279881
>Where does it end?
At whatever the fundamental element of reality turns out to be.
You're a fucking loon acting like its some sort of made up slippery slope hoax.

Shit thread, drink bleach.

>>2337401
sure. i agree, there's nothing wrong with zigzagging on an issue when it is appropriate to change tactics.

but

trotsky consistently seems to have a wrong and shit take? at the second congress, he sided with the swamp. he then larped as a menshevik during 1905. he failed to uphold the party directive at brest-litovsk. he sided with every anti-leninist force at every opportunity during the 20s.

>>2337603 (me)
>>2337401
Trotsky was an ardent Iskrist in 1901-03, and Ryazanov described his role at the Congress of 1903 as “Lenin’s cudgel”. At the end of 1903, Trotsky was an ardent Menshevik, i.e., he deserted from the Iskrists to the Economists. He said that “between the old Iskra and the new lies a gulf”. In 1904-05, he deserted the Mensheviks and occupied a vacillating position, now co-operating with Martynov (the Economist), now proclaiming his absurdly Left “permanent revolution” theory. In 1906-07, he approached the Bolsheviks, and in the spring of 1907 he declared that he was in agreement with Rosa Luxemburg.

In the period of disintegration, after long “non-factional” vacillation, he again went to the right, and in August 1912, he entered into a bloc with the liquidators. He has now deserted them again, although in substance he reiterates their shoddy ideas.

>>2337127
>ml cannot fathom admitting you were wrong
lel

>>2338194
When Cliff (in Building the Party) makes a few of digs at their local M-L party and the SU being dumbass Great Man cultists who falsely pretend Lenin was magically born a Bolshevik, I thought they were being petty and ridiculous, but looking around, I do find plenty of such people in the wild.

>>2337412
*yawn*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_journey_in_a_sealed_train

>>2334312
women wearing burqas in xinjiang is a very recent thing that was imported from abroad, the same places that expouse wahhabism ideology in which the US have been funding money into (world uyghur congress is also headquartered in washington DC) in order to destabalize the region as it borders china.

picrel is an uyghur woman that was part of the 2014 terrorist attacked that killed both han chinese and uyghur muslims that didn't subscribe to radical wahabbaism islam. notice what's she wearing? these terrorists are the ones that are trying to erase uyghur traditions. for instance, they see dancing as haram, even though it has historically been a major pat of uyghur culture. their ideology is imported from abroad and backed by CIA. check NED grant receipts on their website

reminder that u.s. army colonel and former chief of staff to collin powell, lawrence wilkerson, is on record saying "If the CIA has to mount an operation using those Uygurs as Erdogan has done in Turkey against Assad. . . Well the CIA would want to destabilize China, and that is the best way to do it to form an unrest." so we suddenly started getting assblasted in every news outlet about the "concern" for chinese muslims as if the u.s. had any concerns for muslims in the iraq war which caused 9.2 million iraqis to become refugees and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths

>>2334093
>It‘s the nature of dictatorships
So you know the chinese gov innately wants that because it's a "dictatorship"? That's all the proof you need?

>to label most, if not all opposition as some kind of extremism an therefore attempt to delegitimate it
Xinjiang is not in opposition to the PRC, it's a constituent part of it, so what are they trying to delegitimize exactly?

>In the case of the Uyghurs, islamism is a good option for that, as „Xinjiang“ undeniably had islamist terroristic attacks
Ok but where does the PRC claim everyone in Xinjiang is a islamist? Or anything of the sort?

> Only very few people in these camps are actual islamists, 99% or more are there because they did something the chinese government didn‘t like
Source on this? "It's the nature of dictatorships" doesn't count

>for example practicing non-chinese culture
Uyghur culture is a chinese culture and is viewed as such by the CPC, maybe you're thinking of Wahhabism? That's from Saudi Arabia and yeah they don't like it in China :/

>>2334291
>sit down bitch boy, get back to me when anarchists can build 47,000 KM of high speed rail
Destroy all the railways in China, let the chinese comrades turn it into an anarchist commune, and the railways will be rebuild as they need it. Kropotkin used it as an example (chapter 11), you should read some basic anarchist theory.

>>2337784
>Destroy all the railways in China, let the chinese comrades turn it into an anarchist commune, and the railways will be rebuild as they need it
But why do this when the railway was already constructed in a much faster, more efficient and organized manner than what you/Kropotkin proposes? Which basically amounts to "just let it be, people sorted shit out between themselves before and that's like the best way to do it"

Also please provide an example of anarchists actually building high speed rail instead of theorizing about it

All of you are dumb uyghurs, actually, lol.

You can ecpect people like >>2337084 who think that anyone who doesn't conform to the ML line 100% isn't a "real" marxist, and would prefer if the entire site thought exactly like them.

>>2337469
Yes. There can, by definition, only be 1 (one) correct line.
"Diversity of opinion" is bourgeois libshit nonsense.

>>2337554
>Yes. There can, by definition, only be 1 (one) correct line
Might be so, it is not yours though.

dont ecpect too much