/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>leave leftypol for two years, disappointed
>get bored, check back in
>takes this many posts and y'all still haven't collectively concluded that the left right spectrum is useless liberal bullshit
It's almost comforting in a way to see you all still stuck in the same mud. OP is right except that you acknowledge left and right have any meaning at all, stay slow leftypol.

>>1034064
its obvious that they were based when feudalism was still around, but now theyre the new feudalists.

>>1033882
Leftist is a term used by baby actual socialists and communists or liberals. But you should never call yourself a leftist if you know better. I, for one, am a marxist-leninist

>>1046767
Has it occurred to you that the userbase is not a static entity

>>1046911
>Leftist is a term used by baby actual socialists or liberals
>I, for one, am a marxist-leninist
These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves

>>1046449
> netherlands will get literally atlantis'd
Also this
Western Europe has been a series of islands for much of Earth’s history up until the Ice Age when the sea level dropped

>>1046451
Not exatcly. You are thinking of the creatceous period. Even if all the ice on Earth melted, Europe would not turn into a bunch of islands 🤓

>>1046466
Fuckin hell
Well there goes yet another cope

>>1046449
And that won't be communism

Unironically WW3, or at least a war of similar scale. Against modern militaries, practically the only way to achieve victory is to have a significant part of the army defect to the revolutionaries, which isn't going to happen in peacetime. There needs to be a mass of conscripts fed up with constant warfare (as we could see during/after the previous world wars, especially the first one).

>>1046418
That’s tantamount to saying socialists will never win, since that will totally collapse the world’s ecosystem and the basis for human society along with it
It might do that even without a nuclear exchange

>>1046422
Yeah, we are pretty fucked tbh.

The far more important questions imo is what happens the day after? This isn't backwards shithole russia in 1917, its no longer enough to seize the telegraph station with some red sailors and the government is yours. Even the bolsheviks in trying to command a far more primitive and less complex state and economy were forced to employ countless tsarist officers and bourgeois experts to achieve anything.
Establishing a DotP and trying build socialism in today's world which certainly provides us with sufficiently developed productive forces, the means of production are here, capitalism's tendency to produce state capitalist monopoly and great standardised infrastructures that Lenin raved about has given us everything we need materially to establish socialism, but we have not the slightest idea how to manage any of it. Do you think that your local communist party, be they an old 'national' communist party or a revolutionary sect of any tendency, if put in charge of the state tomorrow would know the first thing to do with it? Would anyone on /leftypol/?
Of course not, knowing the most fervent self-proclaimed revolutionary communists around, faced with the enormity of the real material work of building socialism they would immediately set about ordering as many executions as possible in the vain hope that blind terror will save them from the consequences of their unpreparedness.
There is a vast public-private bureacracy and managerial strata which runs all the institutions, infrastructure and plans and organises modern society and unless we are ready to near seamlessly replace them at a moments notice (or ready to compromise with them and bring them onside whatever that may mean for the course of our 'revolution') you can kiss any hope for socialism goodbye.
The only solid argument for 'dengism' (and one self-proclaimed dengists and assorted china-shills never bring up) is that china and the CPC are the only ones doing what i think is necessary to build socialism today, which is building *actual* dual power (not mutual aid larp), that is having the party be part of every major enterprise, at every level, forming a sort of shadow cabinet for the whole economy, that will (one hopes) be ready at the crucial moment to step in and seamlessly takeover.

So what does this mean for prospects for revolution outside china (and underdeveloped countries in africa where a bolshevik style coup could still work, maybe), does it mean you should as a coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Depends on whether or not communists will seriously organize a movement once again.

>>1046456
the finno-korean hyperwar never ended

And like “pivot to Asia” is literally what they themselves call it. I’m asking, when were they not in Asia trying to surround the Chinese? Basically never

opium wars never ended

>>1046474
The Indo-European migration-conquest never ended. The steppe menace encroaches on the neo-Shang dynasty. The horse-APC graze right beyond the border.

>>1046473
Liar, they obviously signed a peace treaty.

i urge you to read this very informative piece by john bellamy foster -
https://monthlyreview.org/2021/07/01/the-new-cold-war-on-china/

>>1045154
Thank u so much for effort post anon

Can u share ur list of personal theory that u found most important to get this smart?

>>1045154
So it was q comie version of anarchist black cross? Cool.

>>1045154
This is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind, I'll definitely look into it more.

>>1045154
>Not only did the CPUSA refuse to support his case, they actively celebrated the jailing of the "Trotskyite wrecker". This later came back to bite them when the Smith Act was turned against the CPUSA itself in the 1950s, devastating the party.
This, above all else, even 'material conditions' is why we can never have nice things.

>>1045154
>>1043721
This is good shit. I've done something similar locally with helping set up micro businesses.

>>1046382
European civilization in general can be argued as the inheritors of much of Rome's cultural legacy, but how tf are you going to argue that China is a continuation of Carthaginian civilization?

>>1046421
How the fuck are you going to argue America is the inheritor of Rome’s legacy other than by being the ruling imperialist beast of the world?
American culture, despite being created by European settler colonists, is pretty damned divorced from European society and culture
Remember, even from the beginning America was a bourgeois society; even when half the country was dominated by slavers it was a bourgeois society; it doesn’t have the legacy of rule by the Catholic Church, it doesn’t have a history of domination by a monarchy or a history of a real landed aristocracy

As for China? It’s because polyps, like arguably all people, but especially due to their reactionary ideology, can’t help but to farcically drape the events of the current era in the garb of the past, even if it’s as warped as claiming a global confrontation between two modern powers in a series of much more covert coercions and invasions of other countries is equivalent to a competition between two empires in the Mediterranean thousands of years ago

What’s funny is that, of course, in this scenario America, the thalassocracy, would actually be Carthage and China, the land-based power trying to build up a navy to confront the sea-farer, would be Rome

>>1046426
>How the fuck are you going to argue America is the inheritor of Rome’s legacy
I'm mostly speaking in terms of culture, which is essentially the main mechanism by which civilizations have a lasting impact, at least on people who have no direct genealogical or institutional continuity with them. Greco-Roman culture and history is widely seen by Westerners as "their" history and most people have a passing familiarity with it, major elements of their culture is widely dispersed among Europeans (e.g. most people have some familiarity with Greco-Roman religion, mythology, and philosophy, Greek and Latin have lasting influences in most European languages). Most Europeans also practice a religion which took its predominant form within the Roman Empire (essentially all Trinitarian Christians should be included here), and live under institutions which consciously draw on Greco-Roman institutuons.

>>1046445
Wait, sorry if that sounded hostile mate, I didn’t mean “you” as in you Sabocat, I meant (you) as in the polyps that are claiming this is Rome vs Carthage III

>>1046426
>>1046445
>What’s funny is that, of course, in this scenario America, the thalassocracy, would actually be Carthage and China, the land-based power trying to build up a navy to confront the sea-farer, would be Rome
China is also the rising power like Rome, while the US is the established one like Carthage.

>>1039202
If that chart is accurate, and we're still in the beginning of the exponential phase, I'll start caring about this in September. Until then, nothingburger.

>>1039202
the god damned queers just can't stop sucking on each others' anuses, can they?

Too late for what? this shit isn't even particularly lethal.

>>1044818
>>asking /leftypol/ instead of some retards on /pol/ who actually believe it
People ask /pol/ a lot of shit that right wingers would never be qualified in knowing.
And a lot of people are retarded and will believe what other retards believe and not seek out things that go against it.
>>1045521
> I Think for most of them it's mostly about them being edgy anyways.
That's how it starts
>Like insuniate that the left is getting censored and how the elites like to push right-wing ideologies abroad and here. They will DENY AND DENY that.
It's hard to make people understand that right wing i the status quo in society and US politics because they hyperfocus on a gay background character with one line in a Disney movie as a sign the leftoids control everything

>>1043673
>and that this was a good thing, since minorities always vote Democrat
Maybe stop being openly racist
Or secret racist, both parties are vile but Republicans pretty much only have racism as an appeal a la Southern Strategy

>>1045522
>I believe the idea of white genocide is older than that.
A lot of its ideas come from Camp of Saints which is somehow now part of public discourse thanks to demons like Tucker Carlson and Stephen Miller
Of course there's the Nazis, and a lot of examples before that like the KKK craze in the US, anti-abortion entering politics in the late 19th century as way to make white women to pump out more babies to strop the dreaded Chinese immigrants, and worse, the Catholic immigrants
And even pic related if you wanna go further

>>1044137
game of thrones

>>1046273
Keep forgetting that uyghas until some 60 years ago thought there was people in Mars and Venus.

>>1024605
>le FoE and FoP are both le good
just means free pass for media oligarchs to spread capitalist propaganda. ok demonrat

>>1032895
We stand for freedom for the working class and repression of the bourgeoisie.

Anticommunist revolts in the ComInform during the "Stalinist" period of 1945-March 1953: 0.

Anticommunist revolts in the Warsaw Pact during the Khrushchevite period of 1953-1968: 5.

>>1024577
socialists believe that epople are at their base ok and can see through bullshit
the truth is they're dumb and gullible and need to be tricked into doing something good because left to their own devices they'll start massacring

>>1025693
>You can make the same disingenuous argument about Perestroika.
The same argument should be made about Perestroika. The fact that such liberalization movements were able to get positive support should be interpreted as a failure of the Soviet system to prevent the alienation of a considerable amount of its population. Perestroika obviously wasn't the solution, but changes needed to be made to build a more authentic proletarian democracy.

Russian birthrates and fertility rates dropped naturally at the start of the Soviet era due to increased women's rights and education, legalized abortion, infant mortality rates dropping, new birth control methods, and of course the entry of women's workforce into labor, etc. At the start of the Stalin era, rapid industrialization created labor shortages and the need for higher population growth, so that's why abortion was finally banned.

WW2 also had disastrous effects on soviet demographics, I think I remember reading that the war might have prevented the possibility of a Chinese-style population boom in the USSR.

Poland, the USSR, China, Bulgaria etc all had larger populations after socialism.

>>1046219
"socialist countries" do not exist

>>1046279
your sex life doesn't exist

Soviet population in 1928 was 149900000.
Soviet population in 1989 was 286730819.

Stop talking shit.