/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2575635
Even those authoritarian communists argue that its a necessary temporary phase to protect revolution from internal and external counter-revolutionaries. Anyone thinking that real communism is when there is a literal strong man dictatorship and youre a slave to state is mildly put ignorant about this topic.

>>2571366
>"Palestinians are reactionary" the only thing you're educating people about is that 'Marxism is for spiritually Israeli armchair pseuds'
Wrong. In scientific socialism, any violence by a subjugated population without even bourgeois rights under imperialist capitalism is acceptable in order to acquire economic sovereignty. You can see this with Marx accepting the separation of Ireland from England if the alternative is the continuation of the subjugation and exploitation of Irish workers, as long as it is not possible to organize English and Irish workers because of English chauvinism that deceives workers into not acquiring solidarity, then separation is an acceptable alternative so that in the future a socialist federation can be formed with more equal relations between Irish and English, but remembering that the ideal would be to organize English and Irish workers together for a socialist revolution acting together. This already helps to understand the position of defending the self-determination of nations that Lenin wrote.

Now let's start by explaining to you the question of what capitalist imperialism is with Lenin:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2571366
>I've never once heard a single Marxist podcast talk to their undocumented slaves who actually have the jobs that depicted in the symbol of communism. Marxists have spent more time talking to worthless labor aristocrats like Contrapoints. Its impossible to explain why!

Contrapoints is not a Marxist, therefore it's irrelevant to what I'm writing. Remembering that I am from the so-called global south and I have solidarity with all workers of the world, including those of the so-called "first world," so that the proletariat acquires political supremacy to abolish private property in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Since you are talking about the labor aristocracy, then I have a quote for you from the source with Lenin that demonstrates that you do not know that this labor aristocracy is a small minority group of workers that exists to sabotage the workers' movement and weaken it by serving the bourgeoisie, deceiving other workers, but the victory in the class struggle of the working class also benefits this labor aristocracy that is acting as class traitors, unlike the discourse of resentment against first-world workers that third-worldists have been talking about, equating the interests of first-world workers with capitalist imperialism to create passivity and resentment, thinking that scientific socialism is based on a moralism of feeling pity for third-world workers:

<In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 188Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Post-the holiday, so I can talk a bit.
>>2574095
>okay, so why should i talk to you if you dont believe in democracy (rule of the people) on a supposedly left-wing board? you dont appear to believe in anything anyway.
Left wing isn't synonymous with democracy. There have been plenty of political movements which style themselves as "democratic" which operate with strictly anti-leftist goals. Bordiga outlines my issues with democracy in a revolutionary context cleanly https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/democratic-principle.htm
>is it possible to raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000 an hour? if not, why not?
What relevance does this have? No, but the point is the struggle for higher wages so as to heighten and elucidate the contradiction and conflict between prole and capitalist.
>okay, so again, you are forcing the ultimatum that one must either unconditionally support mass immigration or they are hitler.
Where did I say "unconditional support for mass immigration" once? It seems like you can only strawman my position, either out of a lack of understanding, or purposeful misrepresentation. A person who "unconditionally supports mass immigration" is also not operating with a proper communist mindset, as they are completely missing their role we play and necessity of what must be done.
>does marx say that mass immigration lowers the economic and moral condition of the native working class? yes or no?
And I posted his later developments and clarifications. Would you deny this? I don't think you would apply his standard to any other economist or even philosopher.
>you should know since you said marx was wrong. more lowly deception.
Again, where is the deception. I've been awfully accommodating this entire time for what little you provide.
>because youre a coward who both feigns ignorance but also have an implicit dogma.
I posted responses and sources, I don't think I've been feinging anything, while that of your claims seems to be ctrl + f for whatever agrees with you, and a stubborn obsession iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2531387
>You can see this argument regularly on 4glow now: communist states didn't have what they call mass migration, the students who came went back to their countries and contributed to their industrial

Obviously not, living there sucked. The Berlin Wall was erected to prevent people fleeing West Berlin

>people will be hecking gooderino if we give them more stuff

Naive as fuck

police is the only thing I agree with MLoids with

>>2578090
See >>2577833

Citizen militias brutalize and kill people just like cops do. The CHAZ disaster comes to mind.

>muh cops
Cops are just the enforcers of the ruling class, if the ruling class is the bourgeoisie they represent their interests against ours, if the ruling class is the proletariat they'll represent our interests, being concerned about the police as an essentially negative thing is libshit. The American police force is particularly bad and militarized however, being something like the third or fourth largest army in the world

>>2578290
mentioning islam but saying nothing bout yiddaism… well well well moshe ben yitzhak lets bomb some kids shall we? when hearing criticism on abrahamic religions without mentioning yidds always assume its a yidd. im denouncing the hadith now go ahead and denounce the talmud

Real communism has never been tried except one time in Russia where it was based but then became cringe.

>le radical
>opinions
Unashamed larper thread.

>>2578457
>communism
>tried
is it a state of affairs to be established or something?

>>2578454
>>2578290
as expectred the bastard son of abraham is unable to denounce his beloved child rape talmud, either denounce all abrahamic religions or stfu, disgusting child killer apologetic.
picrel was chief rabbi of israel who also called blacks monkeys btw

>>2578481
>Abloo bloo Yitzhak Rabin and Ben Gurion blew up the Atlalena and murdered Jooooooos
Cope

Rav Kook is better.

He is who created and popularized the term never again. It's a fascist slogan

Name looks like Mein Kampf. I have no further opinion.

>>2578481
not listening to fasco yidd ramblings for an hour fuck you fuck all zionists i hope you hang yourself and your neck doesnt break so you suffocate until you die, these cunts are so evil even the israeli government designated them terrorist lmfao

>>2530240
Aka why you have to get to socialism first, no? The entire reason I sell ML and AI work is because ML and AI are now the means of production to seize. Before it, at porky command, kills us all.

>>2530021
Next mode of production will have planned economy done by AI but property rights (and thus social classes) will still exist.

>>2530165
AYN RAND communism aka dangist

>>2530043
fucking retard that's not how it works kill yourself

>>2576234
>is there more uniformity of politics? Or is it still common to see people spread out across progressive and reactionary positions?

More the latter these days. Gets down right post apocalyptic in some cases even.

>>2576234
most social minorities are "left" wing relatively speaking because they know they will be on the wrong end of the gun when it boils down to it, but there are exceptions like black men who turn right wing for anti feminist reasons or minorities who are religiously anti LGBT, or certain minorities who (kinda falsely) think they are assimilated into whiteness like high caste indians who think they can bond with upper middle class anglo christians based on being in the same socio economic circles (usually professional IT/medicine jobs which gives them access to high end suburbs) and think they can bond on shared anti islam/muslim sentiments (EX: the Saajar Entjeti / Kash Patel stereotype of the right winged Indian-american).

>>2578490
>More the latter these days. Gets down right post apocalyptic in some cases even.
Go on…

>>2578499
yo i aint even clicking that why do you save this crap?

>>2578512
That videos not that bad. It's probably racist or misogynist but she's pretty and has one of my favorite body types so therefore it's good

>>2578526
pack it up goonerblud

>>2576982
Mao didn't say to struggle violently though, they just did that

>>2577000
>call for a violent revolution
<no he didnt mean it like this
Mistakes were made millions are dead.

>>2577000
So the cultural revolution was a failure? If Mao created a movement that he could not control or discipline that spiralled out of control and began to do more bad than good to China then it was a failure.

>>2576964
>muh ultras
Great leap forward was voluntarist just like corn mans retardation, okay?

>>2578634
Even corn man's corn stupidity wasn't as disastrous as ignoring basic metallurgy, construction and agricultural methods. The USSR which was provably successful at manufacturing and farming warned Mao but he believed in magic peasants instead.

>>2578349
>He said some leaders still have not let go of their ego
Rich coming from the guy who claimed his "path" was a universal advancement of Maoism.

Who is Zarah Sultana and what's the deal with Your Party

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-honduras

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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-covid-vaccines-children-deaths-rcna246437

Pete Hegseth denies he gave orders to ‘kill everybody’ on alleged ‘narco-boat’
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/29/pete-hegseth-denies-ordering-deaths-narco-boat

Northwestern to pay $75 million in deal with Trump administration to restore federal funding
Under the agreement announced Friday night, Northwestern will make the payment to the U.S. Treasury over the next three years. Among other commitments it also requires the university to revoke the so-called Deering Meadow agreement, which it signed in April 2024 in exchange for pro-Palestinian protesters ending their tent encampment on campus.
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PFLP Calls for Mass Popular Action in Global Cities for Gaza
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https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/24343/

COP30 Isn’t a Failure — It’s a Farce
As the COP30 climate summit comes to a close here in Belém, in the Brazilian state of Pará, conference organizers have little to show after two weeks of highly publicized talks. This is bad for everyone. The United Nations Climate Change Conference desperately needed to restore its reputation. After all, last year’s COP29 took place in Azerbaijan, where fossil fuels make up 90% of the exports and where the government was being accused of carrying out genocide in the months leading up to the conference. The previous year, the COP28 was held in Dubai, capital of another petrostate. This year, the marketing strategy for the climate conference began with a mea culpa for the historic exclusion of Indigenous peoples. A UN press release announcing the findings of a recent report on Indigenous peoples and the climate crisis put it this way: ​“From green energy projects imposed without consent to policy decisions made in rooms where Indigenous voices are absent, these communities are too often excluded from climate solutions, displaced by them, and denied the resources to lead the way.” To address this, Brazil’s Ministry of Indigenous Peoples (MPI) invited 360 Indigenous leaders to participate in negotiations inside the COP, after a six-month process in which events were held with 80 Indigenous peoples whose territories aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2578103
I guess that makes sense. I grew up with the humiliation part but never believed false praise if I received it. It's a logical inconsistency. Maybe I would've fallen for it except that fosters and pretenders have difficulty enough posing as real parents.
>>2578111
The only girl 'bosses' I ever had was when I was pussy whipped when I was younger. Heh…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnOCuAePLzQ

honkoid status?

>>2578111
Not only limited to america, by a long shot.

>>2578066
Whatever you say statist

New thread:
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>>2577780
>Someone make a new thread
I don't have any funny, sorry. Someone else will have to do it.

>>2577770
Counter fire aren't even an electoral party so pretty funny they've been banned too. What next are you not allowed to be a dual member of YP and the national trust?

>>2577834
Did you forget that the national trust is woke now? Of course that should be an expulsion.

>>2577620
>when stalin hand-wrote the CPGB's 1945 manifesto, he put forward something so anodyne that Your Party could plausibly adopt it.
Stalin fandom is more about a frustrated wish to be a hangman and the attraction to a social media avatar representing implacability, iron discipline and a certain amount of "violence," although AES (actually existing Stalinism) was marked by some incredibly flexible, "opportunistic" tactical maneuvers.

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