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Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2570365
i've been to cedar and ogden but i don't know a lot; just that cedar is very much centered around its stageplay industry and ogden i've only really passed through going to Eden. Both of them seem a lot more normal than the rest of the state but that might just be from an outside perspective. Cedar seems a little bit like Moab in the sense that there are more laid back and accepting people than elsewhere.

There's also places in the middle of nowhere like nephi or mona that seem to have the same kind of evangelical, dying-town culture as the other midwest states.

>>2570432
Hell if i know lmao, it seems pretty far out of our control unless the church fucks up and disillusions people somehow

>>2570524
So, defeatism?

Joe Hill didn't even want his ashes sent to Utah. Shithole state.

Literally move out and come back as part of Red Army, then send them all to religger labor camps until they change or get worked to death or whatever.



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Why do people use the industrialization and subsequent rise of the standard of living in Russia and China as proof of the success of socialism when neither countries were and are socialist. Socialism being defined as worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned. The success for these two countries is a testament to there size, abundance of resources and people. Germany was afraid of pre-revoultionary Russia and predicted by 1917 they would be no match for its growing might. China before the Second Sino-Japanese war was a lot more industrialized than people usually give it credit for, with most of its industrial base being destroyed by the war. And too give examples of two capitalist countries that being the United States and Germany. Both of them were able to surpass the United Kingdom due there larger access to resources and people. And not to mention the increased development of technology allowing industrializeing nations to catch up faster to their established piers. What allowed these countries to industrialize in the first place is a stable government and there ability to fight off foreign threats, which was not the case for Imperial Russia, Qing China and the ROC.
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>>2577979
You didn't watch the video did you? And China has still has capital accumulation hell the soviets didn't need to do that, at least under stalin. And neither countries were and are 'proletariat' run, they are party run by the top of the party.

>>2580619

China will run into the same troubles as the US with unemployment and overproduction

I cannot see the CCP giving up state power

>>2580759
I've already watched it years ago, and he's wrong on so many points. He completely misrepresents Marx and completely misreads the Paris Commune. Also, I already told you that Marx distinguishes a lower phase and a higher phase. Only the final phase is stateless.

>>2580888
>he's wrong on so many points. He completely misrepresents Marx and completely misreads the Paris Commune.
how so?
>Also, I already told you that Marx distinguishes a lower phase and a higher phase.
Hes says this in the video.
>Only the final phase is stateless.
its not the initial phase is also stateless, only under the dictatorship of the proletariat does the state exist.

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>>2580871
that's in the higher phase of communism. we're a long ways from that. that's when the state withers away because it becomes irrelevant. the lower phase is about the ego mediating the id. china can do that. meanwhile, video is an american realizing capitalist states have no ego, only id.



 

I don't see any other threads/generals about Colombia so im making thia thread
Colombia has been in class conlict since the 60's, the ELN is one of the most major insurgent groups and the RARC was the biggest until it was disbanded in 2016, although many RARC members rejected this and still fight on. Cartels and fascists are also fighting both against the goverment and ELN.
Colombia also recently elected a left-wing president in 2022 and the leading party is in a coaltion with the communist party, ALTHOUGH the goverment is selling out to the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Army_(Colombia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FARC_dissidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_conflict

>>2580211
Fuck you fake ancom shilling for "communist presidents" and reactionary theology.

>>2580223
how did OP shill anything

>>2580223
I never said he was a communist president, I said the party he is in is in a coalition with the communist party. I don’t support any state especially not the Colombian and I feel like I make that pretty clear



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Can I still be a communist if I think transhumanists could probably learn to accept their birth sex and are getting conned into mutilating themselves to pad big pharma and the service economy? I don't want to do a holocaust about it I swear.
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>>2581065
*the failings of

transhumanists

>OP starts by vagueposting, promises they don't want to do a holocaust about it
>slowly drifts towards arguing his transphobic case more and more, less and less emphasis on his purported socialist/communist sympathies.
>claims he's going to "thread the needle" on "false consciousness convenient to capital", made no engagement whatsoever with the point that post-2024, capital is unambiguously moving in the other direction. despite not engaging here, is clearly angling for an argument because what he really wants to do is argue about transgenderism rather than talk about communism.
The Joanna Cherry of Anonymous. Total >>2580443 vindication.

>>2581087
It has been barely ONE SINGULAR YEAR niqqa the pendulum can easily swing the other way again. Acting like you won't go full throttle on transhumanism again in three years when America and her *toys* paint themselves blue. Acting like your whole leftoid ass isn't hanging out. FULL. BREAK.

but yeah maybe I'm being too singularly obsessed rn. still kys tho

>>2581137
watch total war on south america be declared tomorrow keeeeeeeeekkkkkkk

>can i be a communist if [american retardbabble]
No. Look forward to getting raped by transfolx from the 7th Neo Red Guards division. Hope this helps



 

What is the point of horror when real life is infinitely more horrifying? Your average horror film is like watching the Teletubbies compared to a Mexican cartel torture/execution video. And I don't mean just the violence and suffering, I mean the casualness and banality. Or, to use another example, picture the scene of Roman mining slaves being literally worked to death because the profits of the mines were so large that human life became not worth maintaining, a level of greed that is perhaps unmatched even today.

Was horror unironically invented by sheltered people? What is the analysis?
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AAAAHHHHH

Yeah bro going to work is fucking scary
Literal shivers down my spine

>>2579304
Horror’s point isn’t to be scarier than reality, it’s to let you safely feel the thrill of fear for a few hours because nobody wants to work in a fucking slave mine or have soldiers rape and murder their family just to feel scared


>>2579304
What's the point of any art or fiction when reality exists anon?
It is entertainment, it is escapism. Story telling has been a core part of human socialisation since the stone age.
Can you even begin to imagine a world where we're limited to only discussing or portraying the real world? It's not psychologically healthy to only think on heavy topics that happen in reality. But fiction can give us an adrenaline rush without the risk of such trauma.



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Here is my thesis

When the USSR collapsed, its former territory and the entire former Warsaw Pact, treacherous scum that they were, should have been nuked. We live in a time where we still suffer the consequences of Soviet mercy. The USSR left our world, and in its wake was left dozens of fascist nations with hundreds of millions of Nazis buried within. The Soviet Union assumed 50 years of hegemonic rule wiped out the scourge that was hitlerism in the region but they failed; and Eastern E*roids seem beyond redemption. As such, lay waste to everything between Berlin and Moscow; nuke every square inch of it, luckily they have no real means to retaliate unlike the nuclear armed West. Modern hitlerism can be stopped in the here and now!

>>2579984
soviet union state welfare didn't do shit lmao

>>2579984
>Soviet mercy
lol lmao even

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>>2579984
EUchads gotchu covered

Its because the Slavs are ethnically reactionary. Specifically the Poles. The Oder-Neisse line was perhaps the greatest mistake of Stalin-era policy. All of Poland should have been partitioned between Belarus and Germany.

>>2579984
I warned you about nationalism bro but you didnt listen.
<what? you want me to support nationalist movements across the planet because anti-imperialism?
No thats exactly the opposite of what I said.
<got it. I will now dedicate yearsof my life shilling online for nationalism because its literally anti-imperialism



 

The USA has funded, trained, and mantains death squads, paramilitary forces, and criminal militaries in Latin America. One of the most awful cases is Guatemala, which became a counteinsuryency (a.k.a terrorist) state due to US influence. It is basically open warfare against the civilian population, mainly the indigenous who make up more than 50% of the total population. It has some similarities with Palestine, in fact. The main difference being the perpetrator is not a foreign force but their own government. These forces are trained at WHINSEC in the US and local forces around Latin America. For example, Brazilian forces train Panamian force, and these forces train Costa Rican ones.

Is it possible to beat a terrorist state that is supported by the US? To at least stop the government from its murder spree?

Also this is more of a curiosity question, but what kind of training turn men into killers and torturers? Especially of children?
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>>2542452
Watch home alone 1 and 2


>>2542468
This blog about Sparta was pretty interesting.

>>2542452
If women have sex with them they will stop being fascists

>>2580193
true…



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A list of nearly 800 Republican sexual predators can be found here
https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/
Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/
Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Do something about it then bitch

>>2539374
Let's force that MAGAs are PDFs?

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>>2539761
Been there done that.



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Right now the Trump administration is signaling its intentions to begin criminalizing the left, opening investigations, and moving to eliminate even the most non-threatening anarchist book clubs. They're speaking openly about designating "antifa" as a terrorist organization. Will anyone be surprised if within a couple years the PSL, the DSA, and your local larp group are also designated as criminal organizations? Will anyone in Europe or anywhere controlled by American influence be surprised if right wing governments there adopt the same methods they do in the US?

How can serious left wing organizers under these conditions continue to engage in building above ground parties engaged in feckless reformism under these conditions? Yes, officer, here is our formal centralized list of dues paying members and their legal names and credit card numbers. We have a right to free speech, officer. We're a legally registered nonprofit organization, officer. You'll be hearing from my lawyer, officer. Does this seem like a strategy prepared for the future to you?

People need to shift their organizing underground in advance and we should have done it yesterday. We need to build hardened cell networks and we need to take encryption and countersurveillance seriously. These cell networks need to be seriously prepared for prolonged asymmetric conflict against the most sophisticated surveillance state on Earth. If a crackdown happens, even if you aren't violent, it would be infinitely preferable to be in a hardened underground group that survives instead of sitting out in the open larping that this time we can make social democracy work or that our book club will amount to anything.

Right now, Trump is just a senile figurehead for a cabal of guys like Stephen Miller who are gearing up for Palantir fascism and race war. Anyone who could stand in their way has proven themselves to be too cucked to attempt anything. The worse the economy gets, the more they're going to start lashing out at the low hanging fruit.

>inb4 burger/europoor proles are incapable of revolution so why bother


If you do nothing there's a good chance that they're going to kill you personally, retard. The burgerreich endseig will not be fun to live through. If you don't plan on moving to China somehow you should take this seriously.
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>>2537260
I can join your underground cell :)

>>2537070
1. all that's required is the ability to have conversations with coworkers, not necessarily on the clock. This is not a high bar
2. if we all lose our jobs and there's a huge surplus population then I'd advise going door to door and seeing who else is in the same boat and organizing the unemployed, and immediately engaging in taxation or some form of banditry to keep yourself fed and free

>>2537260
Only people seriously committed to liberation would join. Don't expect it to be like a mass above-ground org where the goal is to make anyone join and then educate them. Educate and vet them first in low stakes front groups that can build their resolve and knowledge of the scope of injustice and what it takes to win. Secondary reasons to join could be a sense of agency in a chaotic world, camaraderie, and the safety net provided by mutual aid - all the things missing in society for the average person.

>>2521599
i'm still in awe at how stupid this take is, even two weeks after it was dropped.

>>2537260
if someone is too ADHD to read give them youtube videos
also people dont need to be super theorybrained to get involved in revolutionary politics

keep it simple
the system doesnt work we need a new system we can organize whats necessary now and form a group based on that interest of making dual power its easy to see its necessity

>>2538377
We are at the point where it needs to be a 20 second tik tok video.



 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Bombs Over Caracas Edition


🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2579630
>praxis
<spraying a wall with paint instead of reactionary brains

>>2579206
>It's cracked but the deep state is deeply afraid of the possibility of an organized revolutionary movement led by a "Black messiah."
yeah they killed fred hampton for the same reason, and he was an even bigger threat, despite being much younger (killed at 21)

>>2579148
>>2579133
what's funny is rubio (or maybe it was ted cruz) once admitted that his father fled batista, not castro, despite lying about that for years

>>2579592
>CIA shooter? I thought it was a national guard shooter.
The guy who was the shooter worked for the CIA in Afghanistan.

>>2579347
where the fuck is that house located that its 1.7 million? the fuck?

the house I grew up in is much nicer and it has like 900k value at most…



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