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>MUH BUTIFUL CULTURE, ONE BILLION DEAD BECAUSE OF COMMUNISM!!! COMMUNISM NO WORKEY! I INVENT THING I LIVE PROPERTY, NO HOUSE FENCE? I PAY THEY WORK!!!!!!!

I'm convinced whiney race reductionists are subhumans of some sort, they don't desire anything other than seclusion, extortion and aggression. They don't care about resource management at all instead think that trade is somehow essential to life "ITS LE HUMAN NATURE, PEOPLE AREN'T EQUAL!!!!" as if any sane communist would ever preach liberal slogans like "liberte egalite fraternite", of course people aren't equal and they have different abilities thus from each according to their needs to each according to their ability and he who does not work neither shall he eat, thus reward is based on merit and productivity. These race reductionists have no idea what the productive forces even are, they are subhuman and as such inferiors can only cry out about extermination moralizing whilst they themselves would like to be slave owners it is only "natural" to have them permanently set in labor camps where they can hang out in a "racially pure" community and do the hard work nobody else wants to since they reject civilization as a whole and fetishize splitting off or enslaving others, they can have it - in the camp. 1 billion dead? Clearly wasn't enough to wipe out these vermin.
Nonetheless communism is not a state of affairs to be established like they imagine since they cannot comprehend the sentence - communism is the real movement against the present state of things. All of humanity and civilization must work as one to develop the productive forces whilst thus so cautiously making sure everyone who obliges gets their needs fulfilled. Stormfags into camps. Only Communists can be Übermensch.
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>>2480021
Why would you proudly state that you do nothing besides poisoning your with tiktok and instagram?

>>2432971
civilization is class society, so the liberation of the proletariat would mean the destruction of civilization, libtard

>>2480024
>besides poisoning your
My what? I've never even touched tiktok or instagram….

>>2432971
>subhumans
spooky. all humans are animals. stop putting humanity on a pedestal and then revoking human licenses when someone doesn't meet your silly standards for what a TRVE humoid is. The problem with reactionaries is that they exist, not that they're muh "subhuman" which is a useless concept at best.

>who does not work neither shall he eat

Get in the mines kids. Grandma and Grandpa, stock those shelves.



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<Some German liberals and intellectuals, reflecting after the failure of 1848–49, argued that unlike the French, Italians, or Hungarians, Germans were too cultured, too educated, too law-abiding, and too civilized to sustain a violent, popular revolution. Instead of embracing decisive insurrection, they relied on parliamentary debate, legalistic resolutions, and appeals to monarchs’ goodwill.
<This idea appeared in memoirs and commentary of the time. For example:
<Heinrich von Gagern, president of the Frankfurt Parliament, lamented that Germans preferred discussion over action and were unwilling to accept the “barbarism” of street violence.
<Some liberal writers suggested that Germany’s strong tradition of philosophy and obedience to authority made people hesitant to risk disorder, claiming that their very “civilization” had paralyzed revolutionary will.
<Historians often cite this as a self-serving rationalization. A way for failed revolutionaries to save face, suggesting they lost not from weakness or division, but because they were too refined to fight effectively.

Why are Germs like this?
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>>2479579
Tell me what nation isn't like that. I'll wait.

>>2480117
Nations with successful revolutions?

>>2479563
did you forget the german revolution or something?

>>2480117
They literally cited France, Italy, and Hungary here.

The invocation of "material conditions" as a term in order to "understand" the failure of x or y movement is, merely, a non-response; not because it is "wrong" but because it is vague. Voluntarism-Determinism is, after all, a false dichotomy, and to say that something failed because of "material conditions" entails a post-hoc determinism that remains, methodological, unconvincing.

>>2480134
Both German revolutions failed.



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The extreme academic nature of groups like GSP (https://gegen-kapital-und-nation.org/en/) and their associates (Gruppen, Cristicuffs, etc) becomes readily apparent when they move from the realm of criticizing pure ideology, which they excel at, to more practical spheres. Pic related is a load of shit, for example.

Most low-wage earners are already painfully aware of the fact that they are cogs in a larger accumulation machine. The idea that a "proper critique of capitalism involves telling them about their position" (by pencil-pushing academics, no less) is completely detached from reality. There is not a single word about the practical consequences of being reserveless or the organs that proles associate with each other in to preserve themselves from the deleterious effects of competition. Consciousness is not mediated by struggle, they just need to read more essays!

< He wants to establish consciousness of this fact, that is to say, like the other theorists, merely to produce a correct consciousness about an existing fact; whereas for the real communist it is a question of overthrowing the existing state of things.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm

>>2480012
Consciousness resides in the party, actually. Majority of workers are not conscious

That isn't the GSP website, OP.



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Tomorrow a huge protest will be held in the capital of Serbia, Belgrade, protesting the government’s refusal to accept the demands made by the students, as well as protesting against general incompetence and corruption. From the student to the teacher, worker and pensioner, war veterans and children all around Serbia will gather together in this protest.
Is this really it? Some policemen announced that they won’t be going to work tomorrow and that they have no intention of beating up children. This might be the only chance that the opposition gets to forcefully remove the president from office.
The implications are obvious; a color revolution is in the works. Unlike the protests in Greece, the Serbian protests have no class character. The left is very weak, and the protest attendees range from neonazis to liberals and communists (most likely due to the fact the protests have been organized “apolitically”). The situation in Serbia is very volatile, and the validity of these protests need to be questioned more seriously, since no matter how much they deny it, this reeks of liberal infighting. Only time will tell what the consequences of these past few months will be, and whether this will be another October 5th or just a failed mass movement.
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>>2474189
>constitutional guarantees of university autonomy

ok lmao. Hope this shit ends soon, it hurts to see pro-EU NGO students vs pro-EU gov. On the other hand, maybe both sides lose - in which case I will celebrate

The silver lining in this situation is meeting other communists, other than that, as far as I'm concerned it's a color revolution

>>2474224
You are retarded if you after 10 months still think that it's a color revolution. If it was really organized by West, there would be condemnations and sanctions of Vucic (that actually matter, not the EP just saying shit and not doing anything) and it probably couldn't have lasted 10 months and a change in US presidency, and if it was truly backed by the West then SNS wouldn't have survived it this long either. NGOs are not controlling the students, in fact the students have constantly fought against attempts by NGOs to insert themselves into the movement. If you really thing that somehow the West and NGOs are controlling the movement, then how exactly do they accomplish that when everything is approved by plenum meetings that any student of a faculty can attend? And the proposals are formed in workgroups which are created by those plenums and are generally open to participation. Would a West-backed NGO color revolution use these forms of decision-making? Would a West-backed NGO color revolution push for the creation of zbors? Do you think that communist revolution and color revolution are the only two types of mass movements that can exist?

>>2474367
plenums? zborovi? you mean the meetings where 20 people show up and speak for the whole neighborhood? Get a grip, those things are for middle-class petty bourgeois IT radlibs (or mostly just libs)
Not no mention how those meetings function, its a joke
EP is betting on both dogs, because they are both EU. I've been to plenums and zborovi and its LITERALLY people in NGOs and students who went by bicycle to Strasburg, and those people are the loudest
so fuck off, there is no proleterial element anymore, maybe it did have in the beggining but its joever

>>2477770
>plenums? zborovi? you mean the meetings where 20 people show up and speak for the whole neighborhood? Get a grip, those things are for middle-class petty bourgeois IT radlibs (or mostly just libs)
The student plenums surely aren't petty bourgeois or IT, and have not been taken over by NGOs. Some zbors might have been taken over by NGOs (student plenums put out a warning about that) but that's not all zbors, and I'm guessing only the Novi Beograd zbors are dominated by IT guys. Also, not sure about your classification of IT guys as petty bourgeois.
>EP is betting on both dogs, because they are both EU.
The EP is pretty irrelevant. Individual EU members and the EC are what is relevant and they are silent on this. I'm not sure about calling SNS and plenums/zbors as pro-EU. They are probably more pro than anti, but they are not near the level of the pro-EU opposition.
>so fuck off, there is no proleterial element anymore, maybe it did have in the beggining but its joever
I'm not saying that it's not lib, I'm saying it's not a color revolution, which is what you've been claiming the whole thread.

Yesterday Vucic had a rant on TV about how the "blockaders" planned to invite him to a debate on Republic Square and then assassinate him just like Charlie Kirk. There's also some misinformation (in serbian language) spread by some pro-SNS circles on social media about how Charlie Kirk was shot at 11:52 AM, which is the time of the Novi Sad canopy collapse which triggered this wave of protests. Insane shit.



 

Regardless if it's concession to the capitalists, or that a portion of capitalists even want , it's the only path I see towards an eventual communistic society.

If classless, moneyless and stateless society is the goal, the only way to teach society is to voluntarily to do stuff without force, its to encourage them to do stuff even if they have a basic safety net and no state tells them what to do.

If UBI continues for centuries, I could see a society emerging that does away with money altogether and people just organize to do favours for each other instead of the system we have now.
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>>2478445
>The rejection of these reforms would, Guesde believed, “free the proletariat of its last reformist illusions and convince it of the impossibility of avoiding a workers ’89.” Accusing Guesde and Lafargue of “revolutionary phrase-mongering” and of denying the value of reformist struggles
I wonder about this. Is it supposed to say "impossibility of avoiding a workers revolution" or something? I dont see why we would reject reforms in principle, but it is interesting that they propose a minimal and maximal program. I thought the point for Marx was indeed to get workers on board with a "maximalist program", not to deny reforms in principle but exactly to prove the point that revolution was necessary. Sure its entirely possible that there is a world in which the bourgeoisie gives up and allows fundamental reforms that lead to the end of capitalism, but alongside reforms to improve living conditions I always thought that we were supposed to propose reforms that would break the back of capital, which they would in turn use the state to defend against violently, which would then demonstrate to the workers through practice that true democracy cannot coexist with the institution of private property.

I cant tell if this discussion is about refusing reforms in principle or if Marx was actually against using reforms and bourgeois electoralism as a form of propaganda to raise class consciousness, not as a hidden tactic or bait and switch, but openly saying so all along the way that the end goal is total revolution.

>>2479032
i like the one where they do a reverse tax below a certain threshold. like everyone below 100K gets 500 a month and no taxes and everyone above has to pay an increasing graduated progressive tax up to a million where its 90%.

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>>2477687
Based Analysis Comrade, I have always stated that Communists should critically support Social Democracy in the Imperial Core as long as Maoist PPW is not viable their (Though Maoist PPW is viable in the Periphery/Semi-Periphery as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Phillipines, Turkey, and Peru, Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with both of these events probably happening around the same time), with UBI being the most Historically Progressive policy of Social Democracy, due to the fact that it divorces Income from Employment, thus lowering the rate of profit and making it much easier to organize the Proletariat to demand higher wages and dramatically increasing Class Consciousness, with the massive caveat that UBI will probably never be implemented in the U$, which is rapidly transforming into a Christian Zionist Nationalist Fascist Police State under the Trump Dynasty, until the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

Porky loves UBI because that means he can just gut everything else, and then gut the UBI

>>2479086
That's a psychological no-go. People don't mind getting stuff, but making them pay while others aren't enrages the monkey brain.



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So, without any doubt, today, the greatest country on earth is China.
That is because, China managed to achieve proper Socialism, and has managed to distribute wealth among the people of its country quite adequately, not ideally, but in such a way that the country remains sufficient and does not collapse like other stupid "socialist" countries did. Not only did China manage to checkmate the Western capitalists and become a strong independent force of its own, but also it now works on establishing Socialism elsewhere and helping others.
As we all know, the USSR was retarded. It was really just an empire called a "union" of republics that, in reality, was just a rebranded Russian empire. Compared to the moder efforts of China, their global missions on helping 3rd world countries are nothing compared.
Today, the people of China are helping Africa. The Chinese are on a mission of liberating the African economies from the influence of the West. Since the West is retarded, we don't want that shit in Africa. Think it's finally time for the Africans to tell the Westerners to stop fucking with their money. Let the Africans follow the example of China. No other socialist country other than China, has ever achieved the absolute eradication of poverty like it was done under the current rule of Xi. I don't give a fuck about the angry retards that are going to pull up calling China revisionist, these are facts. If you think otherwise, you are not a Marxist.

https://english.mee.gov.cn/Resources/publications/Whitep/202101/P020210122374486901993.pdf

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/chinas-xi-declares-complete-victory-against-rural-poverty
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>>2479876
Prove it

>>2479888
No you prove it. I am simply dismissing your implied statement that was given without proof.

>>2479891
I accept your concession then.

China is capitalist and therefore imperialist, duh.

>>2479896
>implying imperialism is categorically bad



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How to go about making the Internet experience less US-centric?

My search results, news outlets, youtube and all are plagued with US politics. Idk and idc about Charlie Kirks.
But it goes deeper. Its about soft power.

English is the internets lingua franca, which is why im tempted to learn Esperanto or Mandarin.
Reddit is full of Burgers. So is stuff like BlueSky, YouTube…
All significant social media is Californian.
Pop culture – it's so UnitedStatesian.
ICANN was under US jurisdiction until 2016!
Contributing to localizing sites and other projects is also important.

Medium (language) we use to communicate matters.
I think we gotta connect with non-US communities to undermine the US hegemony.

I'd like to see more resources and ideas to make internet more international and less US-centric!
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>>2479779
See a brainsurgeon

>>2479664
Only the English internet is US-centric. You'll only have this problem if you're EFL. I constantly see local stuff on Twitter and shit because of my location and language settings, plus other sites in my language.


Learn spanish, chinese or russian.

>uses search engine
>gets Search Engine Optimized slop
>surprised when ever search engine turns up with the same results
De-search enginification is the first step toward de-burgerification of the web user experience.

Stop using search engines, use your bookmarks, do some digital grass touching (surfing) and find content related to your country stemming from pages you've already bookmarked.



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EU’s “Chat Control” will be forced to scan every message, photo, and file before it is encrypted on WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, and other all other apps.
Politicians would be exempt. It is being sold as “child protection” but the EU’s own legal service warns that it violates fundamental rights. Once a backdoor into encryption exists, it is not just governments who can use it. Hackers, criminals, and hostile states can too.

Today (with real encryption): Message is locked on your phone. Not even WhatsApp, Signal, or Telegram (secret chat) can read it. Only the recipient can open it.
Under Chat Control: Your message is opened and scanned on your phone before encryption. If the scanning software believes it finds “prohibited” content, even by mistake, it is sent to the authorities.
Austria opposes the plan, but 19 EU countries already support it. If Germany joins them, the law could pass in October.

According to the campaign:
Mass surveillance: Every message, file, and image sent without suspicion would be automatically scanned.
Encryption undermined: End-to-end encryption would be weakened or broken, putting all communication at risk for everyone, not just criminals.
False positives: Innocent content such as jokes or holiday photos could be misidentified and trigger investigations.
Exemptions for politicians: Officials would be excluded under “professional secrecy” while normal citizens lose their privacy.
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Personally I thought they already did that. I guess things will just get worse.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ (useless activist site, still detailing the decision)
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>>2479606
cope and seethe faggot

>>2479607
>Do you find this sort stuff persuasive?
<goes on to rant about le white genocidino
LMAO

>>2479633
The state does not care that you are a communist, and won't use censorship or any of it's means of political repression against you, because you're simply not an enemy of the bourgeoisie

>>2479675
>The state does not care that you are a communist
I am sure the state of Cuba doesn't, but I don't think that's "the state" you are talking about

You seem very confident saying this, so I suppose you work for "the state". Are you a chinese agent luring me to move to PRC?

>>2479607
>>2479619
>>2479675
Bot, Troll, or Underage. Call it.



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SEANN ORDUGH FEINNEACHAS ALBANNACH NAN RIDIRE'N TEAMPUILL

AN TEAMPULL DUBH

<It is an eternal verity in the history of mankind that when any structure or institution, in its aspect as a repository for the dedication and aspirations of human beings, becomes disestablished by whatever means, then a residual loyalty and affection will endure upon the foundations of all that has been invested in spiritual and intellectual terms, material outlay notwithstanding.


<To Scottish Patriots, whose key focus remains fixed upon a Nation state which has, to all outward appearances, ceased to exist several hundred years ago, such loyalty and affection are patent assumptions of everday life. Ostensibly destroyed by internal and external enemies in 1707, Scotland is lent a continuing and substantive existence by the nourishment of our ongoing patriotic commitment and constant political vigilance. The sovereign state which was Scotland seems to have ceased to exist, and in significant areas of human structuration it largely has. However, as a beautiful, sacred and eternal concept, Scotland has remained very much alive in the hearts and minds of its patriot devotees with the material reflection of all these poignant human desires about to yield the sweetest fruit known to mankind. We believe in Scotland's hidden powers: the present is theirs, but all the past and all the future is ours.


<Nor is this present humiliating settlement the first occasion on which our people have looked upon the outrage to their country. Between the time of Alexander III and the accession of The Liberator, Robert Bruce, there lived a generation who knew only destruction and loss, an era of unmitigated national grief, the time of the incomparable William Wallace, cornerstone and slaughtered hero whose shining example will live forever in the consciousness of our whole people.


<In reflection of the material ruin of The Scottish Nation, the once proud Knights Templar found themselves defenceless in the face of cruel persecution, deprived of substance or estate and denigrated by the pan-European sovereign office which had once extended them recognition. Scotland and The Order of Templar Knights have shared the experience of eclipse in all the palpable areas whic
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>>2480623
what would be a solution to the pensioner question?

>>2480625
Nationalise their Spanish villas for state-provided holidays

>>2480623
reminder that the pensioner subsidy isn't the state pension (which is mediocre by european standards), it's that pension income and income from landlordism aren't subject to national insurance. they're paying too little tax rather than getting too much in handouts.
(this is why so many pensioners are in poverty, yet at the same time so many are raking it in.)

>>2480625
Soylent Green

Tory MP and shadow defence minister defected Danny Kruger has defected to Reform UK.

Hypothetically, if enough Tories defect to Reform that the Lib Dems end up as the 2nd biggest party, do they then become the official opposition? Or do the Tories retain that role?



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are you kidding me I thought he came up with this

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

I have dealt more at length with the "undiminished" proceeds of labor, on the one hand, and with "equal right" and "fair distribution", on the other, in order to show what a crime it is to attempt, on the one hand, to force on our Party again, as dogmas, ideas which in a certain period had some meaning but have now become obsolete verbal rubbish, while again perverting, on the other, the realistic outlook, which it cost so much effort to instill into the Party but which has now taken root in it, by means of ideological nonsense about right and other trash so common among the democrats and French socialists.

Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of prodPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2479575
cockshott is a retard? big surprise!

>>2479586
>So everyone’s needs are determined by those in political office?
I didn't say that. I said they are determined politically. politics is more than just The Party or whatever
>>2479629
IIRC Cockshott explicitly uses healthcare as an example of something for which payment is not to be demanded. in other words, healthcare is deemed politically to be need
>his life work has literally been about how socialism should structure production around the demands of a free market for consumers
and what do we call things that are made for exchange? we call them commodities. and because we are here talking about a communist society, these are communist commodities

>>2479575
Wrong.Socialist commodities differ from other historical commodities. They possess three characteristics: (l) They are based on a public ownership system of the means of production and are primarily an expression of the exchange relations between the worker and the peasant. (2)In contrast to the unorganized and unplanned capitalist commodity production, a great majority of socialist commodities are produced in a planned manner under the guidance of state planning. (3)Compared with the capitalist society, the scope of commodities is greatly reduced in the socialist society. Labor power is no longer a commodity. Land, mineral resources, and other natural resources are no longer commodities either. The means of production circulating within the socialist state ownership system have also undergone significant changes and have lost certain properties of commodities.

To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production prematurely is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore in correct.” (4) Socialist commodity production must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between China’s industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.

Under capitalism, the purpose of commodity production by the capitalist is to exploit the surplus value of the worker. Through the production and sale of commodities, the capitalist gets back the value of the means of production expended in the production process. At the same time, the new value created by thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2479651
this reads like ChatGPT wrote it
nothing I've said contradicts your first paragraph so I'm not going to read the rest of it

>>2479653
Read the maoist textbook now.



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