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How do communists solve the incel problem?

60% of men between the ages of 18 and 35 are getting no pussy and the average women is willingly entering Chads harems.

Regardless of whether or not you’re getting laid this is not healthy for society.
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Incels are potential revolutionaries. Of course leftists want nothing to do with them because being a leftist is a larp.


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Through reeducation, they(male incel population) will understand gender is a social construct and happily look for bussy if they can't get any pussy.

>>2612514
Through reeducation(conversion therapy), they(male with same-sex attraction) will understand Jesus loves them and happily look for a woman.

>>2612593
Why they will look for women if Jesus loves them, does Jesus hath no cunt?



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I reread Vineland and rewatched One battle for this. Modern /tv/ is too stupid for this, /film/ and /lit/ would find it boring or wouldn't get the discussion. You'll probably get more mileage here than any of them would have because this isn't so much about the plot structure or anything.
Although yes, One Battle After Another is the "blockbusterization" of the original novel. In the original Zoyd (Bob) is a side character to Prairie (Willa) and is actually third "protag" to Frensei(Perfidia) and Brock Vond(Lockjaw) mostly because he also doesn't look for her, he goes off screen because he is the one who sends away Prairie to go to DL(Deandra) from the start to split up so Vond can't get them together. Also because the book is 50% flashbacks, and that's probably because this is Pynchons attempt to put various short stories together into an over arching plot, but it means most of the book isn't action heavy. In fact any and all action is sort of kept to a flashbacks and single shot or hand to hand 1 on 1 combat.
This is because PTA doesn't understand the left or what Vineland had to say about it. Thanatoids are a big aspect of the original book. Thanatoids are debatable but are ultimately just Pynchons way of describing the average person becoming a treatlerite in first world nations due to immediate comfort and entertainment being granted to them, especially in the 80s, of which ones like Weed Atman, a leader of the 2nd major left wing org in the book, who was thought dead, is a part of. The entire thing is a massive critique on how quickly pacified the entire American left is, and PTA completely flushes it down the toilet for quick scenes of Mexicans fighting riot police.
In the actual book, whenever the army and cops get involved, the thanatoids don't do shit. DL (Deandra) and Takeshi (Sergio or at least close as possible to them in the book) take back Prairie with them to check out the situation at the same time the rest of her family go back to Vineland, and they note how scared everyone is and none of them do shit.
This is because the entire book this is just part of life too to a lesser measure, Americans are absolutely fine with fascist like regimes and PMCs strolling their streets as long as it doesn't affect them, it's only when Brock Vond starts to push it a little too hard that they get upset enough to be scared. Not act, just get scared.
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Holy shit that is long. That is extremely long and I didn't even mention how Pynchon channels Reich to gather reasoning for how someone becomes so fascist and discriminatory.
Read the end if you want to know what it's about and cannot be half assed to read a 400 page fiction novel and rewatch a 3 hr movie again.

>Vond and the thanatoids are either birthed or controlled by the tube, which is a metaphor for the modern worlds consumerist spectacle
Interesting.
I got the gut sense while watching the film that there was a story beat being missed about how the left became pacified. Good effort post.

>>2594444
Thanks and checked.
In the book there isn't some sort of big scene where Vond/Lockjaw take down everyone after Frensei/Perfidia snitches, everyone gradually has their own reasons for going underground and on the run, but it's pretty clear they've become pacified and worried about hiding out and keeping their families safe, leaving those who still kept up some sort of fight on their own until eventually they just sort of gave up and sat in front of tv all day like Atman and the thanatoids. Zoyd, Frensei, and DL are all mixed up with different groups and the book makes a point of this but they all end up pacified by the 80s anyway for a reason. That's why it's kind of counter intuitive to have riot scenes going on in One Battle as opposed to unorganized submission from the entire county as Vond and the military and other security forces flip the place upside down.

PTA also stripped all mention of communism and class struggle. out of There Will Be Blood which was adapted from "inspired by" Upton Sinclair's "Oil!"
>The left has been pacified, maybe it never even existed, and fascism neither prevails nor dies, it just continues business as usual.
yeah, people don't want to fight and die if they aren't forced to



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ITT post groups or persons who you think downfall is entirely deserved alongside reasons why you think that is, in relation to the workers movement

Islamists are low hanging fruit but I thought I'd celebrate the recent downfall of Hezbollah as an Arab worker. Blud spent their time in power being IMF cumrags, breaking up strikes, purging non-reformist communists, turning Lebanon into a neoliberal heaven, poisoning workers with drugs, their leader spent his last days begging for de-escalation after sallowing his empty threats from 13th floor bunker while workers were getting slaughtered (not by him this time)

No doubt the Lebanese army would just take over Hezb job in brutalising workers but at least liberals will be exposed as no different than Hezb who they blame for everything while being in bed with. Or perhaps they will re-arm it again if workers aren't pacified.

Last challenge: Name one (1) group that killed more Shia communists than Hezbollah

All in all, rest in piss
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>>2607395
>The party is the class consciousness.
which one? The appeal to the authority of "The" party implies there's only one correct party, but in a given nation there may be, and often is, several competing "Communist" parties. If the workers are too dumb on their own to pick the "correct" one since they only have "trade union consciousness" on their own, then the entire voluntarist question of workers needing to pick the "correct" communist party sabotages the intellectual framework you have erected which appeals to the authority of "The" one and only TRVE party.

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>>2607399
the idealist has elevated the communist human to "godhood" (spooky) and becomes disappointed when "normal" humans don't live up to the ideal! this is the essence of all dehumanization, creating an impossible standard, and then revoking people's "humanity" card when they act like animals, which is to say, humans, since humans are just self important animals in the first place

>>2606227
>Last challenge: Name one (1) group that killed more Shia communists than Hezbollah
idk, Iranian governments? (before and after the downfall of the Shah regime)

>>2611578
There are only one workers party that represent the invariant line of Marxism. The historical party.

>>2611797
The Invariant Dharma of the ICP <3



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got mad having to constantly hear from stirnites so i made this to cope. how the fuck does an ideology like this even continue to exist?

literally every time someone even says something pro-com, there's always a fucking stirnite in the corner of the room chuckling to themselves, waiting for their mom to call them home for chicken nuggies and appy juice
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>>2611208
They're an endangered species

>t. nationalist

Stay spooked lmao.

But for real, are there still stirnites around?

>>2562552
Fuck off to Siberia.

>>2611495
This is like Maoism but with multiple steps



 

alright yall what are yalls take on white juche I never even knew this existed but I seen an AWD poster the other day and googled what this ideology is and think it is weird what do you guys think of it this is a genuine discussion about the white juche ideology
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>>2610540
This goes hard

>>2610994
>mutt juche
dym communism?

>>2610509
Goback to /pol/ and stay there you maladjusted 'I can't breed' retard.

>>2610995
apparently they are still making them, lol




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What's the difference between national Bolshevism, National Socialism and Stalinism (minus the metaphysical commitment to materialism?). My understanding is that fascism allies with big business to crush the labour unions and reforms but Stalinism/National Bolshevism doesn't do that, so the difference is only philosophical?

All three are the same thing and reactionary, yeah.

>nationalize the factories
<yayyyyy
>nationalize the banks
<wooooohoooo
>nationalize the real estate
<yup sounds good
>nationalize the socialism
<nooooo not like that

National Bolshevism is not a coherent and well-defined ideology, in the past it comprised some RW thinkers who wanted to with ally the USSR against decadent capitalism but left very little in the way of legacy. Today the largest NB movement is Russian nazbols but they are first and foremost activists who criticize capitalism from "both the left and the right" and have a very eclectic ideological foundation. It is mostly a meme.
National "Socialism" is just reactionary capitalism/fascism
Stalinism is just Marxism-Leninism

>National Bolshevism
Born from the German Communist Party but most famously expounded by Karl Otto Paetel in The Nazbol Manifesto. I haven't read it in years but basically he advocated a planned economy while rejecting Marxist philosophy and the withering away of the state. Nations are forever, or something like that. He also advocated a German alliance with the USSR.
>National Socialism
That is just the name the 'German Workers Party' adopted to sound cooler and more populist, but it was very right wing from the start, mixing chauvinism, anticommunism and antisemitism. Supposedly it was Anton Drexler who coined the name. Hitler completely rejected Socialism as evident by his disputes with the Strassers and his embrace of German capitalism. Class didn't matter, only race did. He advocated racial collectivism and compared that to socialism, aka great nonsense.
>Stalinism
Mostly just a name for Stalin's government and policies from the first 5 year plan to his death. Some people use it as a pejorative, others call themselves like that proudly. Some use it more broadly to mean all soviet-aligned states or all Marxism-Leninism.



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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV

From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism

Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory

It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP

Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>be worker paid wage by company
>make products that make the company money
>barely able to survive on wage
>meanwhile boss is making a shitton of money despite not making the products, making far beyond their every want and need
>feel alienated because of this situation
Is it really any more complicated than that? Why does it matter if LTV is involved?
Progressives already talk about this all the time by bringing up median worker to CEO pay ratios.

>>2565531
>From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor,
alienation comes from not having ownership over the product of labor
>how do you explain Napoleon
he actually wrote a book about hat
>doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society
no? you still have to have a paradigm shift that is predicated on productive forces. the superstructure can only reproduce and intensify the base it cant fundamentally change the social order without changing the base.
>the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis
this has been historically proven wrong by neoliberalism and austerity. keynesianism isn't sustainable within capitalism specifically because of the trpf
>the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory
it hasn't. this only holds for narrow conditions that arent applicable to reality
>how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies.
its good for workers to dominate
>why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction
lack of development and imperialist intervention
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>Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?

MLism changed the world forever and the fact you can't see it means you are propagandized, Lenin, Stalin and Mao have moved humanity foward in tremendous ways, they did marxism and it worked.

what happened on the 20th century was only the beggining, a big offensive push against capital that met counter revolutionary resistance and lost strenght after, both capitalism and communism have recieved deep wounds, but on the 21st century the war still rages.

>>2610678
Why are you bumping this, OP baited and left

>>2565554
Im pretty sure that Okishio also proved that the LTV was correct



 

Hello – I don't really know anything about politics. Where do I start? Any short texts I can pick up? Open to a wide variety of perspectives. I know picrel is from someone who probably isn't very well regarded around here but I did find it interesting, and I also thought "well I don't want to psyop myself into becoming a Nazi" so I may as well ask here. I mostly only lurk really.
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Start here fella:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-anarchist-communism-its-basis-and-principles

It’s a good start because it helps imagine a different kind of society in very simple terms. It’s also a good introduction to anarchism

>>2610922
I'm glad to see people continuing to provide thoughtful and informed discussion on leftypol dot org.

>>2610920
https://crimethinc.com/ < Anarchist, really good books
https://jacobin.com/ < democratic socialist, okay publication, good for starters
https://prolewiki.org/ < marxist-Leninist, good for theory explanation (surplus value, modes of production, dialectical materialism, class dynamics, etc)

There’s a LOT more but for basics use theses

>>2610926
I'd also recommend the Principles of Communism and Communist Manifesto. Plus it's important to read history to understand the context in which the theory was being written. Personally I found "Labour's Untold Story" to be one of the most effective and important historical works for me. It covers the development of the US labour movement from the Civil War to the end of WW2. It's also highly radicalizing since it shows the extent to which workers had to fight just to be treated like human beings.

Engels' Principles of Communism
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Marx's Gothakritik
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/
Engels' On Authority
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
From there you can read more. For political economy I think vidrel is a good starting point, then you'll have to read Marx's economic pamphlets and Das Kapital



 

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>>2610713
it was the revisionism of the CPSU leadership, not the sovereignty (i.e. nationalism) of the constituent SSRs which was the problem. again. because the march 1991 referendum showed that the actual population of the nations, plural, did not want the dissolution

>>2610782
lowbrow ai thumbnail tubeslop

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Check out this epstein file. Feds fucked up the redaction. If you copy and paste you can see what's hidden.

>>2610830
just verified, this is one of the files it works on.

>>2609762
I'm having trouble finding records of any gas station selling regular this cheap, even with a promotion. "The Works" car washes cost 16 dollars though, so lets assume you get the maximum amount of fuel with that promotion, 25 gallons. The real cost of fuel per gallon is 1.89 and you get an automated car wash thrown in. The value becomes worse if you get any lower amount of fuel.

Again though the lowest price for fuel I'm seeing at any bucees location is 1.89 in the first place, at gas stations directly next to the largest american fuel refineries. So they're actually just getting this trucked directly from the refinery to the station with basic additives. Historically these stations trend two to two and a half dollars less per gallon than the national average.

Now what is the benefit of low fuel costs to the average person compared to the fact that they can't get healthcare, or own a home, or take more than 48 hours off work more than five times a year? Assuming they have a job and aren't already homeless and living in the car they're putting this cheap fuel in.



 

Spartan society is unique and rare in slave societies through history. The majority of its society was made of slaves: 100 000 Helots, and only around 8000 Spartans. The question naturally arises: How comes the minority rule over the majority?

Humanity is facing a similar situation, power in the hands of a few thousands, yet billions of people can't free themselves. So the question remains: how comes the minority rule over the majority?

David Hume attempted to wisely answer such question:

"Nothing is more surprising to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than to see the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and to observe the implicit submission with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers.

When we enquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that as force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is, therefore, on opinion only that government is founded."

As such, to change society masses to change opinion. It is, therefore, political education the most important task of the revolutionary.
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The Roman proletariat lived at the expense of society, while modern society lives at the expense of the proletariat.

>>2557523
>organization, discipline
The German revolution had those and it still got crushed

>>2572527
Not enough numbers though

>>2573880
Lacked support in military like Bolsheviks had.

>>2547502
People in power make friends with each other
Friends lead to marriages and alliances
Lower classes breed more while higher classes focus more on governance and get stressed more often
In this way, the higher class can live on their own and they create an origin story to delude lower classes
Some lower classes rebel
However, the upper classes can keep them down because of infighting, then they promote a lot of the lower classes and then create a reason to slave the rebellious ones
Simplest explanation; things only change when there's revolt



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