/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Senior Israeli official flees US after paedophilia arrest, sparking debate over Israeli impunity
According to police statements, Alexandrovich was one of eight individuals apprehended as part of the sting. He was charged with the felony offence of “luring a child with a computer for sex acts” and later released on $10,000 bail. He subsequently returned to Israel, prompting questions about how and why a foreign national accused of such a crime was allowed to leave the US before facing trial.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250818-senior-israeli-official-flees-us-after-paedophilia-arrest-sparking-debate-over-israeli-impunity/

US to ‘root out anti-Americanism’ in reviewing immigration applications
The latest guidance on immigration decisions said that authorities will also look at whether applicants “promote anti-Semitic ideologies”. … Under the new measures, US diplomats are directed to review applicants’ social media profiles to look for “any indications of hostility toward the citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles of the United States” before issuing visas.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/19/immigration-social-media

Kilmar Abrego accuses US government of 'vindictive prosecution'
Federal law allows for the dismissal of criminal charges if a judge determines they were brought to punish someone for exercising their due process rights. Such requests rarely succeed. "Even as government officials recognized both publicly and privately that Mr. Abrego's removal to El Salvador had been a serious mistake, the government responded not with contrition, or with any effort to fix its mistake, but with defiance," the motion stated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kilmar-abrego-accuses-us-government-vindictive-prosecution-2025-08-19/

Katherine Clark backs off Gaza ‘genocide’ comments
“Last week, while atPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

961 - The Dogs of War feat. Seth Harp (8/18/25) (Chapo Trap House)
Journalist and author Seth Harp returns to the pod to talk about his horrifying and expansive new book The Fort Bragg Cartel. We talk with Seth about America’s forever-war machine and the global drug empire it empowers, with a special focus on the case of Delta Force officer William Lavigne, who killed his best friend before turning up dead near Fort Bragg in a still-unsolved murder. We also discuss the rise of JSOC, the third Iraq War and its ongoing ramifications, the US military’s ties with the brutal Los Zetas cartel, and the eternal shadow war waged in the name of empire.
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/961-the-dogs-of-war-feat-seth-harp-81825

There is no Revolution Without Revolutionary Consciousness
Haiti is plunged into insecurity in all its forms: poverty, arms trafficking and trade, organ and drugs trafficking and a lack of transportation, all of which have plunged the country into total financial insecurity. For many, Haiti has never experienced such a chaotic situation in history. This critical situation is not without consequences for society. It forces the population to adopt a different understanding of life; many essential sectors in the society, including the universities, the media, organizations and political parties, etc, have suffered an unprecedented state of discouragement. These sectors have lost their true mission, which is to support the people by sharing a set of emancipatory values. The proper transmission of these customs and principles can help build hope in this total despair. Without this preventive education and movement, any group has a free field to approach the people and give them bad directions. This disengagement prompts anyone, including those in the most reactionary group in the country, to chant a series of words that sound as if they carry a series of emancipatory values; but very often, the practices and activities of these people are not in line with these values. Let us take some examples: a criminal gang leader who claims he is “doing social work” or “fighting for the people,” while others even say his group is conducting a Revolution. This creates great confusion because, in the context, the word “revolution” seems to have lost its Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2439368
>neoliberals […] hope the market will produce enough housing
neoliberals don't "hope" for anything positive for the working class, they give deluded moral justifications for their dispossession.

>>2438974
Do not try to find logic where there is none

>>2439454
good point

Hypocrisy a lot of the time, but also there are legit ghost cities because the PRC doesn't plan housing, they let private companies do it, so when there is a economic bust like a few years ago and they run out of money before finishing projects = ghost cities.

>>2439098
So is the data that this person submitted wrong?

People usually don't understand concepts that you don't explain to them. By that I mean everyone, including you and me. It's likely that people are never explained what coercion is nor how it works because it'd be inconvenient for an entire system that runs on coercion if people learned a bit about that concept.

Did Chinese socialists really kill petty landlords renting out a few properties? I thought it was more like feudal landlords who owned vasts tracts of land. I could be wrong just what I remember hearing.

>>2439445
could just a be a shitpost

>>2439445
It was people that own shitloads of land
Its funny because they got rid of the landlord and did land distribution to peasants but then in the gcpr the now land owning peasants were the new landlords and were attacked lol

>>2437937
Primitive communism =/= idyllic smurf village, Marx and Engels knew foraging bands and tribes also experience conflict and scarcity and hardship
>>2437969
Marx’s theory of history =/= the Soviet Union’s mechanical interpretation of Marx, Marx’s theory of history was a fundamentally open one

>>2437937
>the whole primitive communism thing is so laughable today
Its laughable because neoliberal subjects today are domesticated cattle and unable to imagine a society that engages in collective struggle and mutual aid. The only way an NPC can even think of such a thing is if a flood destroys all their infrastructure and forces them to be "primitive" (actually human!)

>>2438694
>Are you a NEET? Get the fuck out of here parasite.
Liberal is baffled by critiques of liberalism, the only way they can reduce their cognitive dissonance is this rhetoric. If you know anything about Marxism you would know Luddites were working class movement that wanted to avoid being disempowered and de-skilled, and ultimately enslaved as easily replaceable cogs in the machine. OP talked about a lack of human history, and indeed automated tech has been infamous for being extremely lacking in technical documentation so people can repair the parts or whatever. its almost impossible to find information for some private companies machine tooling. Why? Because the workers who actually built that stuff were disempwoered, de-skilled, and ultimately enslaved. Its typical liberalism to call people "parasite" for not wanting the technocratic Jeffrey Epstein PMC class to enslave your family and dispose of them when they are no longer useful

>>2438944
ah, interesting. thanks for the correction.

Why would LeftyPol hate NEETs?

>>2438329
Is that the book where they say tribal people chose to be exploited part of the year?

>>2435604
You are an idiot.

/leftypol/ continues to be an anonymous *chan imageboard. This is a form, a structural material basis that influences everything on top of it. There is nearly zero barrier to entry and the cover of anonymity. It is openly a derivative of /pol/, in fact a reaction to 8/pol/. Anyone who doesn't want dirtbag shitposting can and should go to one of the many alternative forums!

>>2435599
You are also an idiot, comrade.

/leftypol/ was, and debatably is, a valuable part in the dirtbag left movement despite not being organized nor and organization. It pulled people from the growing /pol/ circles and resulting Nazi propaganda, same with gamergate. There are plenty of former fash here who were recruited not to us but to the labor movement through /leftypol/.

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also, fuck oldmods (~2020-present). There were plenty of anons explaining why what they were doing was counterproductive and they did it anyway. This place could have remained a factory.
No, this isn't about 'the split', history has objectively proven both sides had actual, actual god-complex schizos and arrogant idiots among them, and each side failed to cast them out in time.

>/leftypol/ meta thread
Nukechan and GETchan are better sites than either of the /leftypol/ forks.

>>2441055
>actual (emphasis) god
And who might that be?
Just curious. Oh so curious
I won't even ask if you are qualified or mention that this almost always hides liberal incompetence (well, my oppo must be this and that, where is the diff between you and the "right-variety" of slanderers, please? May I see it?
Whoops guess I mentioned it a bit. But trust me this, this is tame.

ah pfftu nevermind, I shall cease communication on this board.
Let this be my very last message. Also scroll up and compare with certain other posts. I am.
A totally different animal.
You know where to find me, if my guess be correct.

Fuck's ske

Oh one last thing.

I can make the tor node shut up with little investment.
I do not particularly care to do so even after being treated very rudely, to say the least.
And don't give me that shit about "terrorism", you baby.
All conflict ends in negotiation except where one side is eradicated.
So show me you are if not a proper socialist (we all know you will not achieve that), that you are at least a real man, woman or child, not some pathetic facsimile of a human being. That is all wanted from the start.
That is my demand. Now pass this along.

What is efficiency? What is safety? What is confort?


Some things gommunists will never comprehend

>>2438996
It's effects were mostly the fact that a reliable 90s car that usually would have gone back to circulation and bought by someone else was entirely eliminated from the market. And hundreds thousands of working cars were destroyed because of this which meant all of these reliable cars that would have been cheap and accessible especially for people with low incomes are now gone. This also is one of the reasons the used market is fucked up to unfathomable degrees and everything is overpriced

Totally forgot about that. Wasn't it framed as a green initiative too?

>>2439017
Yeah it was an effort to "get rid of inefficient vehicles" which meant alot of perfectly good cars form thr 80s/90s

>>2439009
I'm still not sold - NZ's cars are older on average than America's and there's still not much in the way of early 90s vehicles on the road nowadays, let alone anything earlier. There are ~283 million cars in America today, so scraping 690,000 is a very, very, very small part of the market.
Then you can throw in other factors: Most of those cars must already have been worth less than $5-6k (otherwise it'd make more sense to sell them used than to scrap them.), they had to be younger than 25 years old (e.g. 1983 onward) and get less than 18 MPG (which the average new vehicle did before 1990), and a good chunk of them would be taken out of action anyway (the flip side of them selling cheaply is, at a certain point between 2008 and 2025 they're likely to become more valuable as parts than as a car…) or bought by hobbyists who needed something to do during covid. (post covid inflation + car sales slowdown seeming a more plausible explanation for any price problems at the low end of the market today.)

There was no Cash for Gameboys or Cash for useless STN-display 90s office laptops scheme, and both of those are now selling for prices that'll make you wish we'd bring back the Law of the General Maximum.

why did you just start a new thread? tired of getting btfo in the old one?

>>2438327
Imperialism is monopoly capitalism you idiot

>>2438662
What about when a mid thing happens?

>>2438119
>They sent solidarity to national wars that were laying the foundations of capitalism because they thought they were helping communism.
Marx was pretty explicit that capitalism is a prerequisite for communism. Nationalism is also a prerequisite for internationalism.

I dont know where your idealist delusions come from but Marx was a materialist, he didn't just come up with something he thought was good and declare it to be so but actually analyzed how communism would develop from social relations and productive force. Its not "to his detriment" but precisely the core of his thought. It is what makes the difference between a communist and a social democrat or anarchist.

You would get a lot more traction and also actually be coherent and honest if you weren't trying to defend some abstract "communism" you invented and just rejected Marx and Communism fully, but you might actually have to read and figure out what it means first.

>>2438732
>Nationalism is also a prerequisite for internationalism.
why would anybody care about internationalism

>>2437610
Germans, like any western population should be regarded with suspicion regarding
everything. After all the shit they pulled with very limited remorse (oh Iraq was a bad idea and Afghanistan and…)
I don't trust em. Not racist just don't like em.

>>2437612
Fair enough and I agree, but as a euroid im telling you germans have a complex regarding israel that should not be overlooked. They even have a whole "left wing" ideological strain that is literally just meant to uphold israel lol
Hate these guys sm lmao

My understanding is that it's like trying to learn Islam from Hadith, in that it's all this contradictory bullshit that is observed in different interpretations which all believe themselves to be the "correct" one. It makes it utterly irrelevant for "learning" anything about the religion when you strip it from its social context. You can't just pick up Hadith to find something and say, "all Muslims believe/do this." They use Hadith to justify themselves, not the other way around. The whole Shia/Sunni split have their own set of Hadiths, among some shared ones.

The reason the Talmud is similar is because people dropping quotes from the Talmud are doing the exact, same thing. They're trying to find that "gotcha" in a vacuum. This is why quote mongering from the Talmud is a favorite pastime for Nazis that graduate from projecting all their Id-like desires onto Jewish people. It's easy to convince dumb people to hold views about an entire ethnicity by pointing to some words in a book, even if the people don't even follow it.

>>2438614
Yeah Talmud is literally a book of early medieval (500 CE) rabbis debating each other. It's not meant to be the final word on anything. But also like who cares. Modern Jewish supremacists will wave an LGBTQIA+ flag and take money/weapons from uncircumcised Christians while slaughtering circumcised Muslim children with very similar dietary restrictions as them. So it's clearly not about that kinda stuff. It's about capitalist imperialism and ethnonationalism, which are both products of a post-Westphalian bourgeois world.

>>2438605
nta but church attendance alone is not an indicator of hidden atheists.

>>2438604
It reminds me of when hazbin hotels insist there's a huge uncounted youth/minority voting bloc in Texas that will turn it blue every election cycle. And then it never materializes and they just blame voter suppression.

If you're gambling on activating an invisible demographic you've already lost. This is why DSA cannibalizes the Democratic party instead of trying to reach out to non-voters, as an electoral party trying to achieve victories through elections they target people that vote. Conversely, if you want to start some kind of Left-wing militia you need to appeal to the people that already have guns, the people that already are fighting ICE, the people that already engage in militant activism online. Usually those are pretty isolated regional groups that all have their own separate beliefs, not necessarily intersectional. There's literally Marxist Catholics in South America and Marxist Muslims in the Middle East and they all have their own beliefs. Communism is not one size fits all.

>>2438606
Correct. It is however a sign of abandonment of religious authority at the very least.

This however…
>But, despite these signs of recent stabilization and abiding spirituality, other indicators suggest we may see further declines in the American religious landscape in future years.
>Namely, younger Americans remain far less religious than older adults.
>For example, the youngest adults in the survey (ages 18 to 24) are less likely than today’s oldest adults (ages 74 and older) to:
>Identify as Christian (46% vs. 80%)
>Pray daily (27% vs. 58%)
>Say they attend religious services at least monthly (25% vs. 49%)
>And the youngest adults are more likely than the oldest Americans to be religiously unaffiliated (43% vs. 13%).
>Also, younger Americans are less likely than older adults to say they were raised in religious households.1 And, compared with older adults, fewer young people who were raised in religious households have remained religious after reaching adulthood.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/decline-of-christianity-in-the-us-has-slowed-may-have-leveled-off/

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US pipeline protester’s obstruction conviction overturned by appeals court
Vialard was charged after attaching herself to a 25ft bamboo tower erected to block a pumping station in Aitkin county in August 2021, as part of a crackdown on non-violent Indigenous-led protests opposing the expansion and re-routing on Line 3 – a 1,097-mile tar sands oil pipeline with a dismal safety record that crosses more than 200 bodies of water from Alberta in Canada to refineries in the US midwest.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/18/mylene-vialard-pipeline-protester-conviction-overturned

Draft of new 'MAHA' report suggests RFK Jr. won't target pesticides
The draft's language, if left unchanged, would constitute a win for the agriculture industry and a potential setback for Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA) allies, who have railed against the use of chemical additives in America's food supply, arguing that they harm children.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/draft-new-maha-report-suggests-rfk-jr-target/story?id=124714523

Private-equity backed prison health companies continue despite decade of alleged constitutional violations
Since 2014, in eight cases involving these two private equity-backed healthcare companies examined by the Guardian, investigators from the Department of Justice, New York City department of investigation and other local investigators, have found their negligence so severe that it violated inmates’ eighth amendment rights protecting them from substantial risk of harm, including preventable death. Staff shortages are often a contributing factor – a 2023-24 Santa Barbara county grand jury investigation into Wellpath-managed jails found that staffing shortages led to delays in care.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/18/us-private-prison-healthcare-industry

Vast Majority of 'Refugees' AccePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Serbia: the revolution has outgrown its naïve phase
Since the collapse of the canopy that killed 16 people last November, Serbia has seen massive mobilisations, including the largest in the country’s history on 15 March. They have continued down to the present yet still no justice has been had for the victims. Patience has run out. Instead of justice, the regime has met the masses with continuous violence that has added to the bubbling anger in society. Back in January, members of the ruling party, the SNS, emerged from their party offices and broke the jaw of a female student. Other students attempted to enforce restraint by cordoning the offices to prevent violence from escalating. Since then, the culprits in that attack have been pardoned by Vučić. And we’ve seen more attacks by thugs and car ramming attacks on students. Still, throughout it all, the official stance of the students was that the violence of the Vučić regime should be met with restraint and dignity. But now things have reached their limits. Fatigue had been setting in without justice being achieved, and many began to feel that the students did not have a way forward. The blockades of the university faculties were slowly falling apart. It had become clear that the students’ attempts to peacefully achieve justice were ineffective. It was in this context that, on the national Vidovdan holiday, 28 June, the students gave the green light for the masses to use any form of civil disobedience. Until this point, only the restraint of the students themselves, whose authority had provided the leadership of the movement, has held the masses back. In a speech, the students have now given the “green light” to the masses not to hold back any longer in the face of a regime that clearly will not refrain from using violence.
https://marxist.com/serbia-the-revolution-has-outgrown-its-naive-phase.htm

The Alternative: Zarah Sultana interview
Zarah Sultana is among Britain’s most prominent socialist leaders. Born in Birmingham in 1993, she became politically active in the student movement and later in the upsurge of Corbynism: serving on the national executive of Young Labour, working as a community organiser for the party and eventually running for parliament, where she now represents Coventry South. Her electiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2438323
>Morales emphasized that the number of null and blank votes reached second place in Sunday’s election.

>He also stressed that the percentage of null votes, blank ballots and voter abstention exceeded the percentage obtained by Paz Pereira.
Interesting.

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