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The West (tm) actually has all the pieces of dialectical materialism, but refuses to "assemble" them so to speak. They have broken up the pieces into empiricism, pragmatism (the American philosophy, not the colloquial sense of the word), and systems theory.

>Empiricism: has knowledge from experience (but often fragmented)

>Pragmatism: truth is what works
Systems theory: everything is interconnected

dialectical materialism combines all these insights into one coherent whole: reality is material and exists independent of our minds. things are interdependent, always changing, constantly in development, have to be studied in their context, and to understand reality we need to not just theorize, not just act, but put theory into practice, turn practice back into theory, closing the theory-practice loop, while remembering always that the particular is a case study of the general, that the general fails to describe the particular, and general both does and does not equate to the particular.
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>>2803326
it's gonna be hard to top the sheer retardation emanating from this post

>>2806071
Read Dialectics of Nature.

>>2803326
pre-socratic philosophers were materialists

>>2807341
Yep, and Plato also calls Homer a materialist. Epicurus after the Academics was an atomist, and the Stoic materialists came to dominate Rome. Only with the rise of Christianity from the first century CE do we see a revival of the old idealism, until it comes to colonise Europe, terrorising all of the old Pagan folk lifestyle. Idealism has always been a minority position of priests.

>>2803359
List goes on to the theories of Karl Marx, eat your heart out.



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I get why people dislike it most of the time; it's used by conservative parents to basically indoctrinate their children and socially isolate them, but thinking that makes homeschooling inherently bad is just like thinking all education is bad because bad people use it sometimes. A form of it could be very useful, especially for us Marxists who are often maligned by those controlling the current educational establishment. It's not like the current public school system is entirely flawless, with it often spewing anti-communist, pro-regime change, right-individualism, and pro-capitalist propaganda. If I had a kid, I wouldn't fully exclude them from public school, but I would perhaps add some sort of extra curriculum at home where I'd teach them Marxist theory, unbiased history of past socialist experiments that doesn't automatically default to (Mao killing 100 billion innocent kulaks in the gulags), and other useful things that may be discouraged elsewhere. I'd kind of be like homework but with studying Marx, Lenin, and even Franz Fanon and perhaps other leftist tendencies like anarchism since it's good to know what your opponents on the left think; marxists.org would be very useful for this, actually. This is especially relevant as it seems like reactionary forces, particularly in the United States, are trying to hijack the school system, such as Project 2025 or PragerU Kids.
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>>2767179
Let me guess: you failed math class but rather than trying to get better you decided to blame "the system" instead.

>>2767319
I have a degree lol.

>>2767275
As a teacher in the public school system, I am unable to "discipline" kids. Only the parents can, and they don't.
It seems like there's two types of homeschooling parents: granola munching hippies and really stern christian types who use corporal punishment.
In general, I agree with >>2766792 that it's important for kids to interact with people from other socioeconomic backgrounds. But there's just sooo many problems with the schools, and tbf, I have encountered pedo coworkers and other unsavory sorts so I understand why parents wouldn't want to place their kids there.

>>2804104
>I have encountered pedo coworkers

you mean they got arrested, or, you just didnt like how they were with the kids?

being an evangelical christian should disqualify anyone from having a child, child protective services should be involved. adult evangelical should get the choice of going to reeducation camps or be sterilized and loose their right to vote.
their ugly churches should be demolished and replaced by public parks or housing etc. same should be done for JWs, mormons, ultraorthodox jews, islamists etc but
american style evangelicalism is arguable the most irredemable religion



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Was the American revolution historically progressive? Before McCarthyism CPUSA used to venerate that shit a ton, I as an American think that it was better that it did happen than didn’t, the British would never have upheld any of the treaties, look at what Australia did while remaining loyal to the British, and if they stuck with the British Empire then the evil capabilities of the Empire would be worse. However I can’t say that it was Historically progressive because they failed to do a lot of the historically progressive shit like abolish slavery and stuff, because there were a ton of historically progressive pre-Marxist revolutions in the Americas like in Haiti or Gran Colombia, but America was not one of them.
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>>2801115
That said, I would put most of the South American liberators far above Washington. They dealt with much worse circumstances, tougher logistics, more corrupt institutions, more violent and brutal forms of warfare and far more infighting. While the US had arguments in Congress, in South America there were outright wars with each general seizing power.

>>2801131
Not to mention not all of those guys were slavers

>>2801159
>>2801131
They also had to deal with an enemy in a gentlemanly war. Other than against the British native allies there were no massacres or mass lootings. None of the Founding Fathers ever had to fear their entire homes being destroyed or their families being murdered. In Latin American wars, it was brutality on another level, with a destroyed and mangled Spanish Empire, with its established allies in the New World, versus rising local military leaders and mass-conscripted soldiers, with all sides committing massacres and burnings.

>>2801210
Dan Carlin had a great quote about this

>That general who coined New Hampshire's state motto, live free or die, was a revolutionary war general, for example. He wrote that phrase decades after the war and in total freedom and safety. Now I have no doubt he would have been willing to give his life in the service of what was a brand new country during the Revolutionary War. But he could also take some comfort in the idea that he wasn't going to have to give much more than that. I mean, the British were not going to come into the country and after they hanged him, burned his teenage sons and rape his wife and his children and send them off to slavery, burned down his house, destroy his town and stamp out his church. They weren't going to do that. That's a different kind of risk, isn't it?

>>2801131
Washington's best work was his ability to both micromanage and then macro when he had trusted officers.
A perfect example was when Washington first took over Continental Army and arrived at their base camp in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Kids are taught that there already was an army, which was far from the case, because it wasn't an army, it was a gaggle of people who had no proper training, know how to handle a musket efficiently, no hygiene or even basic structure. Washington had to rebuild the entire army from scratch and his first tasks were all administrative tasks. Teaching his officers how to fill out reports, how to count men, how to properly purchase supplies and manage tools, where to dig the latrines in, where to prepare food, where to burn waste in the camp, all of these are basic things that Washington had to teach.
There was also the fact that the Continental Army was just all the various state militias who have their own command styles and way of doing things and Washington needed to stitch together a common culture between them all and get them to overcome their interstate rivalries. He managed to whip the army into shape and maintain discipline even through the harsh first year.



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There is no reason not to join the Democratic Party, they have no party line, no discipline, it's a purely big-tent party; you can say and do whatever you want, and you will never get kicked out. DSA has shown that it's the best strategy to become Democrats by achieving the most out of all left-wing and left-leaning organizations in the US, meanwhile everyone running as third parties have failed to elect even 1 candidate in any important position, or organize a serious protest.
>inb4 this belongs to usapol
This question has been misunderstood so often that it deserves its own thread(usapol)
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>>2805295
The Democratic Party is controlled by the bourgeoisie and its financiers to co-opt the masses to serve finance capital. Let's see what Marx and Engels wrote about communists in bourgeois elections:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.


<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, "Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League"


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.


<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken


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>>2806840
Actually lol'd. Not only did he just admit to being an opportunist, he considers joining not just the Democratic party but the fucking Republican party as a possibility. Please save us, Marx.

>>2806840
A true centrist

>This question has been misunderstood so often that it deserves its own thread
write and article about it then link it in the containment thread

To join the Democrats is to hear a meeting about the closure of a facility and budgeting nonsense. They are not matirially relevant.

Democrats lost the Presidency due to electoral college.
Democrats lost the Supreme Court due to the Presidency.
Democrats lost the senate due to the large numbers of red states that are small.
Democrats lost the house to gerrymandering only being legal and applied for the right.
MN is a swing state that will go red in two decades.
Most races are not competitive.

Prediction: As much as people say America is a one party state, America might become a literal 1 party state with a materially irrelevant second party.



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I made this flag for people who aren't Stalin dick suckers but are still okay with millions of people dying/support China. Like me.


"body to short or empty" fuck you!
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>>2792856
they are correct about that

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>>2801011
>>they are correct about that

Um didn't Juche literally post a bunch of those "muh whitey settler oppressor" threads? You know, the classic Maoist Black Panther shit that dominates leftism. Malcolm X quotes, all that. And now people are acting like he's consistent? Like… how does that even work?

You can say "Black people are America's biggest oppressed workers, settler colonial states this" kay, fine. But that directly contradicts his whole anti victim mentality. You can't have it both ways, my guy. Either it's a victim game race blame theory or it's class struggle.

Imagine saying the left is too obsessed with being victims but black people are victims of the system? That take is literally the prototype for leftist victimhood in the new left. Like, this existed before gay rights was even a conversation.

I'm just saying… the math ain't mathing. But hey, don't let me interrupt the circlejerk.

>>2801055
>You can say "Black people are America's biggest oppressed workers, settler colonial states this" kay, fine. But that directly contradicts his whole anti victim mentality. You can't have it both ways, my guy.


Yes you can

>>2792524
This is correct.

>>2791976
Retard



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>Previous bake

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Day 70 of the 3-day special military excursion.

Someone bake. There are new happenings.

Baking.

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>>2806556
uygha really thought Tehran sending harsh words was worth puttin in the OP



 

how is argentines claims to the falklands in anyway less imperialistic then Britains?
the only argument i hear is that falklands is closer to argentine (which is a pretty weak argument ) or that it was claimed by spain once (like spanish imperialism/colonialism is better then british).
considering how argies mostly descends from europeans, where arguably just as bad as USA when it came too genociding and oppressing natives they are also a colonialist state.
so why do leftist anti-imperialists defend their retarded landclaim?
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Bad Empanada sneezes and leftypol is shaking. Lmao.

>>2806848
Bad Empanada tongues my anus

>>2806848
bad empanada looses his credibility by falling for his own countrys zionist-tier jingoistic nationalist propaganda slop

anglo derangement syndrome runs wild



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https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-virginia-congress-democrats-republicans-12a31037f3c9a94d3cb9fbcaaf84d94f

Yeah yeah yeah "gtfo American" shut up for a moment

So just a couple hours ago the Virgina Supreme Court has voted to overturn a redistricting referendum that would give Democrats an advantage based on a bullshit technicality, even though it's been voted on in the house and senate for two years and was approved by a majority of Virginia voters. Meanwhile Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, and more are allowed to racially gerrymander their states with impunity and without input from the population, and Utah's Supreme Court is now being packed because it doesn't sufficiently favor the GOP. The message is clear: America's two-party charade has ended, has already ended, and we are entering the era of the GOP party-state

Obviously as a revolutionary socialist I'm no friend of the Democrats, however it's transparently obvious to Virginians and others that this whole bullshit is just setting the stage for a partisan dictatorship and nothing less. The Republicans have long believed that they are the natural party of governance and anything they do to retain power is a good thing, and the Democrats have utterly failed to meaningfully challenge them, even fecklessly conceding while making some bullshit statement about how "the real redistricting was the friends we made along the way". It is of course obvious to us on leftypol that American "democracy" is illegitimate, but by now it should also be clear to the average liberal or really anybody to the left of Reagan that the state isn't even going to pretend their votes matter. This could be used to our advantage

While some are giving way to despair and others to rage, leftists in Virginia and elsewhere now have an increasingly radicalized population that is being openly disenfranchised, with one party blatantly deciding that the rules only count if they benefit and the other party deciding that's okay because god forbid they break procedure. We're in a prime spot right now to get angry liberals and left-libs on our side, to denounce our entire government as illegitimate. The question is, how do we do it?
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>>2806480
majoritarianism is anti marxist as well. But we are discussing the legality of what is happening in Virginia within the context of US law not whether its Marxist or not

>>2806483
Most of them are geriatrics so they don't care about the long run. Just making bank now

>>2806480
"marx" "ism" is neither purely "legalist" nor "illegalist"

>>2806486
who knew thousand week reich was real

>Spanberger: I am disappointed by the Supreme Court of Virginia’s ruling, but my focus as Governor will be on ensuring that all voters have the information necessary to make their voices heard this November in the midterm elections because in those elections we — the voters — will have the final say.

Our government is jestergooning. It is ragebaitmaxxing and defeatismpilled



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>>2781663
fucking lold.

>>2806477
bumped a month old thread award

>>2783815
he is an LLM. he has infinite stamina… until the world runs out of resources

>>2782814
Felony child molestation with that phrenology.

>>2806501
hey man. im not on all the time. I like to read shit I miss.



 

I assume everyone has heard of the MV Hondius, an expedition cruise ship which travelled to remote areas, had (I would suppose wealthy) passengers infected with the Andes Virus from the Hantavirus family.

Most recent news posted by the independent, tracking the breaking story live, has shown that sources say there has been two infections in South Africa and one in France. World Health Organisation is ranking the situation as low risk for now.

News:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2026-DON599

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy592qeq071t

https://news.sky.com/story/three-dead-as-virus-breaks-out-on-atlantic-cruise-ship-13503266

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hantavirus-outbreak-cruise-ship-symptoms-uk-cape-verde-live-updates-b2971163.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/hantavirus
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>>2805691
>hantavirus doesn't spread from human contact
That's just completely untrue. From the WHO: "To date, human-to-human transmission has been documented only for Andes virus in the Americas and remains uncommon. When it occurs, transmission between people has been associated with close and prolonged contact, particularly among household members or intimate partners, and appears most likely during the early phase of illness, when the virus is more transmissible." – the Andes strain being the one on the ship.
As much as i agree this situation has been sensationalized and won't be some Covid 2-level global crisis as some people are claiming, dosent mean the whole thing is just false.

Hantavirus? More like Hentaivirus!

I don't trust any early medical takes about newborne viruses. There was a lot that was unknown about covid when it first showed up, people were learning on the fly. Same could be true of this. Or it could be a nothingburger. We won't know until it happens. Obviously they should be fucking quarantining and contact tracing all these people. Need to learn from covid. Better that a handful of people are inconvenienced than let millions die.

>>2806101
now THAT would be EIPC

Remember the first Boomer-Holodomor Trump committed, now picture that with RFK. We ain’t gonna make it



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