/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2284703
This is an interesting one because there's no evidence that Mao disapproved, and there weren't any criminal penalties for it in China until after Mao died.

no

>>2284800
There were no laws against it but it was prosecuted under statutes against "hooliganism" and other vague laws like that.

Bisexuality is counterrevolutionary.

Yes, Mao would support it if he were alive today. That's because he listened to the progressive portion of the working class, who today are overwhelmingly pro-lgbt.

By the way Maoists have all been pro-lgbt since the 90s.

>>2285656
I don't see an issue. Russia is capitalist btw

>>2243550
Listen, uyghur. I don't care what the worker thinks, but if it's fucking stupid, it's getting corrected. We do not practice licking balls or empty populism like the faggot right-wing.

>>2244308
trvke

>>2240912
>why arent you just voting for communist parties every chance you get?
voooooting doen't matter:
-parties win through media consensus
-media are controlled by billionaires
-parties need to be bankrolled by capitalists for ad space etc

also
-fishing for votes will transform revolutionary parties into demsoc reformists

no thanks

>>2240912
>why aren't you just voting for communist parties every chance you get?
Because the actual communists party's are a meme that will never gain parliamentary representation anymore. Voting for the former communist, now democratic-socialist, party, or even the social-democrats at least counts your vote. Reformism isn't perfect but it's something.

>>2284165
this is just one of the many posts I can bring to prove how x.com pcv, the one you are now accusing of being "taken over" Maduro are just a bunch of co-opted ned/cia/usaid people.
https://x.com/enriquemarquezp/status/433648050809356288
it reads, in 2014
<We cannot resign ourselves to communism taking us deeper into hell. Let us fight to change our destiny.
I dare you to address this nonsense and come to my face and tell me this is a hill you are willing to die on.

Thanks News Anon

>>2284483
>There are institutions here where you can go and force the ousting of such a party leadership, because in Venezuela all political parties are a legal entity subject to governmental institutions.
Anon they could have just kicked him out in the next party election like in any other Communist party ML or Trot. Instead a small group of people who said they were members of the party threw out democratic centralism and went to the government rather than internal party channels. And I don't care about Marquez no one in the PCV or Popular Revolutionary Alternative said the guy was a communist so i don't understand the point in bringing him up.

>>2284510
Not willing to die on any hill here. I'm not gunna defend every tactical choice the PCV makes. But it is concerning seeing the Madurista faction of the PSUV and now Arce's faction of the MAS in Bolivia spend more time attacking their left rather then the US-backed right wing that only needs to get lucky once to start tearing down the hard won attachments of the last 2 decades of social democracy and both nations.

>>2284649
>But it is concerning seeing the Madurista faction of the PSUV and now Arce's faction of the MAS in Bolivia spend more time attacking their left rather then the US-backed right wing that only needs to get lucky once to start tearing down the hard won attachments of the last 2 decades of social democracy and both nations.

just three days ago they arrested another right-winger, named guanipa, after months of different right wing collaborators arrested. guaido has its own arrest warranty, the same with the guaido 2.0 a.k.a. edmundo gonzalez. they act upon the legal frame, until they make mistakes and leave knowing the bureaucratic times.
Arce is a very different thing. one of his ministers attacked Venezuela saying "the roads of Bolivia cannot be like those in Venezuela" which Evo correctly said that's not leftist in a The Gray Zone interview.
We don't do that in Venezuela. No Maduro ministers will say something like that from a brotherly nation, specially if they are clearly sovereign and lefty.

>>2284649
I have to come back to expand this conversation, in particular because you are throwing rather ridiculous claims.
>government rather than internal party channels
Parra, the current leader of the PCV explained they depleted the internal party channels, that they won't allow the party to be co-opted by a leadership that pretends it's good idea to divide votes, when it's necessary to give 0 inches to any opposition politician.

you know what the x.com pcv never did? address EACH POINT BY POINT, WITH PROOF PROVING PARRA WRONG, specially when Parra stated that the subversive leadership of the x.com pcv ignored the procedures of the leadership election
I can bring Parra's words and reasoning.
>Parra indicated that they filed an appeal with the Constitutional Court because they believe the current leadership of the PCV is illegitimate and illegal, having been elected at a Congress in which "more than 80% of the party's membership did not participate."


I HAVE NEVER SEEN the x.com pcv stating their internal rules, the acts of the electoral procedures Parra claimed were viciously violated, NEVER, pure deflection and hiding behind wall of texts. Is that dialectical materialism? is it all that with pseudo-Marxism talk communism? is that revolutionary?
go on, ask the x.com pcv proofs proving wrong Parra, ask the solidnet evidence of the same. Ask indefenseofcommunism too, evidence showing how le evil government took over the PCV. no? no evidence? no solid evidence?
excuse you, but fuck you, fuck solidnet, fuck indefenseofcommunism, and fuck all of those paleolithic creatures unwilling to wake up to undeniable evidence that the x.com pcv has no legitimacy, no moral ground, and no reason or whatsoever to be used in a socialist or communistic debate about what my country is, does or wants to achieve.
>And I don't care about Marquez no one in the PCV or Popular Revolutionary Alternative said the guy was a communist so i don't understand the point in bringing him up.
because people like (You) is giving some face of value what the x.com pcv has to say or do. are you mad that I brought him up? get real, their decision needs to face the wall, and assume their consequences, including thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2279542
>the argument about the state basically having extremely detailed records of all transactions a person does is a genuine concern,
Why lol? You think it's better if a private company controls that data? The issue i see here is that alipay, wechat etc seem to be privately owned, wouldn't be a problem if it was state owned and it would be used for economic planning but it isn't

>>2279473
>This is horrible, a society where all your payments go through one app that mishandles information and steals personal data. The CPC should make it mandatory for all places to accept printed money as legal tender.
There should be no money

>>2286921
And I don't care if the see pee pee gets my data
>if you bring it into China, the Chinese government will get it.
Oh noo, not the evil chinese government lmao who cares

>>2279473
This fag believes western services are not doing the same shit…

>>2279473
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This is horrible, a society where all your payments go through one app that mishandles information and steals personal data. The CPC should make it mandatory for all places to accept printed money as legal tender.
Printed money is an outdated relic of an outdated age. Yes such apps should be secure and state controlled (or at the very, very least incredibly state regulated). But rejecting that digital payments will be and is current reality will only serve to delay actual security and regulation requirements as "hurr durr you can just pay with cash if you are so worried".

>>2286834
Correct, there is no contradiction at all. The capitalists are the most class-conscious subject. There are dozens of statements made by Musk were he affirmed and re-affirmed the labor-theory of value unironically.

>>2286834
Elon Musk is published by Communist state therefore Elon Musk is inducted to marxist cannon
https://www.beijingchannelnewsletter.com/p/elon-musks-article-in-china-cyberspace
>>2286861
>elon musk is a capitalist in Communist China
Wrong. Within the borders of proletarian dictatorship, there are no capitalists. Elon Musk is proletarian like anyone else because capital doesnt exist in China.

New Bread:
>>2287001

>>2284700
They have no reason to imprison cannabis users either, Hitler

are salesmen, who make some base salary but also earn a commission per sale, proletarian? should salesmen unionize?

>>2276960
gonna repost those in the PDF thread if they aren't already there, thanks

Is market socialism a good idea and it is compatiable with communism?

>>2280683
Lenin himself created it so its in line with Marxism-Leninism.

I remember reading about an african revolutionary that got killed by southafrican mercs in a movie like scene, of finding him with pot in the attempted coup. Can't remember who it was.

>>2286709
so you come to image boards to find 'valuable discussions'?

But Austria being green is BS. It's one of the most racist countries in Europe. A lot of Austrian old ppl are openly Nazis and will tell black people to their face that Hitler should have annihilated their kind.

>RadioFreeEurope
Among other things Belarus bans all independent polling so this is literally made up.

>>2285941
Point to the lie my Balkan uygha

>>2286715
i went to austria in the counrtyside a lot of old folks were wearing their lederhosen. i know people are going to say but whats wrong with being proud of their traditional culture? right. but you know these old fucks are more likely to than not to think that the hitler regime wasnt 'that' bad, or like the unrepentant nazis in the tank museum, they said the wermcht never killed civilians because they were honorable gentlemen. they must have been 'bandits'

>legitimate leftist arrested by state forces
But I thought Pakistan was on our side?

>>2286446
they are a trotskyite social democrat party. social democrats are fascists. proletariat better off without them

>>2286451
you are an animal

>>2286397
Total islamist death

bump

>>2286035
He's baiting you, retard

>>2286132
yeah and his bait is utterly god awful, that brain damaged retard needs to be baited himself or picketed off the site for ruining it

>>2286134
It is not bait. It is historical fact. CPSU AND CPC eliminated the exploiting class.

>>2282003
>no argument
It's all just a little reddit club to hang out and larp in for you. Your motivation for "socialism" is probably a streamer or something equally manufactured and sold.

>>2286013
Are you willing to bet your anus on that prediction?

>>2285480
this is preussr history

>>2285100
The problem with the mensheviks was fundamental: they weren't a working class party, but a party of petit bourgeois and labor aristocracy. This is reflected in their policies but more importantly, the results of their activity.
You can see this very clearly in today's western "leftism" since they never properly made the distinction: these people will push for liberalism time after time, failure after failure, and swallow all CIA propaganda ever made to be approachable to their idea of the "average person" (petit bourgeois lickspittle) - in reality they agree with it themselves, though, that's just their excuse when called out. Labor aristocracy has a very distinct "leftist" bias in the west and a very distinct liberal bias in eastern europe. It shows very clearly in areas where they are allowed to speak, such as media and science. That's because the working class in western countries never even came close enough to power for its enemies to realize that they are its enemies.
You are not even Marxist if you deny the historical role of the working class, and that's what every menshevik and "leftist" organization always does in practice.

too busy to read the rest right now:
>Maybe instead of underground tactics
Most of us live under liberalism. My party is legal and usually employs legal tactics (with exceptions). What possible benefit would underground tactics have in this situation?

>>2286459
at some point, you're going to be a real pain in the ass to the capitalist class. at that point, they'll employ CIA-like measures like in brazil or indonesia to curb revolutionary communist sentiment. you'll be forced into illegality, even if for a small while, and if you don't know how to operate in those conditions - you're fucked

Modern communist are Marxist-Leninists but they have forgot why people supported this particular strand of communism.