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A very common tactic on this site is to defend an idea on the basis that it is in some way Marxian, or fits in with so and so Marxist concept. This is, frankly, really fucking stupid. Pretty much all of the key Marxist thinkers have placed great emphasis on the fact that Marxism is a broad intellectual framework; a way of analyzing the world that is open to modification as it's tested against real-world material conditions.

But people here treat it as if it's a dogma; as if there's a set of ideas that must be absolutely accepted if one is to be a proper communist. It's like if we treated Einsteinan physics circa the mid 20th centure as the only valid kind of physics and scolded anyone who questioned it. Why? It's such an unscientific approach to science. Can somebody please explain this to me?
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>>2608361
Are you a leftcom who recognises Mao Zedong Thought as Marxist? Am I hallucinating?

>>2608743
Didn't read the post he's replying to award

>>2608771
I respect the contributions of Mao and friends greatly, mostly because they actually exist. China serves as a fantastic example of socialism as an economic system actually working. With that said, I'm generally opposed to centralized political power, and China is very much a nation that is very much centralized.

This opposition is driven partially by ideology, in the sense that I would personally prefer to live under a form of socialism that uses direct democracy and a people's militia comprised of ordinary citizens to minimize if not outright eliminate the governing "class" as a distinct group.

But it is also, and at this point actually moreso, driven by historical evidence. The death of the Soviet Union was pretty much entirely the result of centralized politics. The fact that a small handful of assholes were able to torpedo a successful nation more-or-less overnight tells you everything you need to know about the failings of centralization.

>me me me me
>I I I I I
>me me me me
no one cares, loser, get meaningfully organized

>>2608165
because people don't want scientific analysis of real-world material conditions, they want religious dogma. religion isn't dead, it's just transformed into pseudo-politics and fandom.

people are ultimately little monkeys chasing social status. "i know more marx than you" is an optimal strategy to seeking social status while playing the communist game, even if it's useless for building communism. "i have a novel analysis" should put you further ahead, but it's easily undermined by accusing you of revisionism, etc. since it's easier to memorize or google marx quotes to support your argument than it is to conduct real analysis, most of the players of the game are encouraged to keep it as a game of orthodoxy rather than orthopraxy.

this is, incidentally, also why nearly all non-governing communist parties are completely and utterly worthless LARPs.

>>2608165
>as if there's a set of ideas that must be absolutely accepted if one is to be a proper communist
yeah sure that can happen but most of the time its not an appeal to authority but just shorthand for "this makes sense, and also marx said it, so you should consider it seriously". people tend not to effort post when the inquirer is just nitpicking and trying to debunk so if you want the details you have to put in the effort yourself or at least ask nicely instead of being hostile


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How does Israel's racial hierarchy actually work? Do they really see Mizrahi as "Jews" even though ethnically they're basically Arabs? They sure as hell don't see Ethiopian Jews as equals, so what about other JOC?

>>2608122
idk but I think so, but from what I understand, with some generalization, the Asheknazis are on the liberal side of the Israeli culture war while the Mizrahis are on the rougher, conservative, MIGA nationalistic RETVRN side so it wouldn't make sense to apply American categories. Likud's voters are majority Mizrahi.

Like the issue was not are they Jews or not but what "kind" of Jews

Mizrahi Jews are way more pro-Zionist than Ashkenazim.

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>>2608122
>How does nazi germany's racial hierarchy actually work? Do they really see non blondes as "aryan" even though ethnically they're basically german? They sure as hell don't see black haired germans as equals, so what about other GOCH?
uygha you shouldnt give a single fuck about injustice inbetween settler colonists but to answer your question no they call ethiopians koshim which means nig and mizrahis as still technically jewish but subhumans that arent as developed and civilized as the european ashkenazim sometimes mizrahim get killed because they get mistaken as palestinian kek, most ashkenazis arent religious though theyre just in for the money so they care more about whiteness than religion


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Do you guys see the left capturing any meaningful gains in the next twenty years? What countries do you guys believe are most primed for revolution? Do you believe communism will die in this century?
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>>2601427
>Besides, the illiberal axis (iran, china, and russia) has only seen one of its members make meaningful gains. China’s rise is impressive but it’s fundamentally constrained to their geographical location, and their model hardly seems replicable in other parts of the world. In response, the western world will probably adopt a mercantilist stance.
China's rise is surprising, I remember when anything they spoke of was not to be taken seriously. It used to be a joke of a country.
>Yes. The bourgeoisie has been trying very hard to paint libertarianism as the way to go and has been adamant on decribilizing marx. Fundamentally this doesn’t matter much because the people remain the subject of the dialectic. If we get some form of movement that restrains the bourgeoisie, introduces real democracy both in workplace and in government, has some form of planning to adress the woes of capitalism etc, whether or not they call themselves marxist doesn’t matter. What matters is effective change, and it doesn’t really matter in which name it occurs as long as it focused on overcoming capitalism.
Do you think there'll be a new alternative soon? I'd figured libertarianism was very much a setup too.
>France might have a shot given their current position of the left.
My friends over in France keep believing that there'll be riots and it'll be Macroever but nothing happens

India is most likely to become socialist soon
>is in the process of industiralizing
>communist party already fought a gurellia war previously
>communist party controls one of the provinces (and its one of the mlst developed)

>>2602570
How many years do you give it? They resemble the Philippines in their distaste towards communism.

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Que sera sera
What ever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see

>>2601354
>China becoming a superpower
It already is.
>mass unemployment caused by AI useful for leftist politics
This might actually be a bad thing, believe it or not. The entire basis of Marxism is that the bourgeois need us more than we need them. What happens when this ceases to be true? Historical materialism is not historical destiny.

>planned economy becoming more realistic with AI
Modern-day "AI" is, by and large, a machine that generates expected responses to prompts. In terms of functionality, it's really just Cleverbot with a larger context window and the ability to piece together new sentences rather than just repeating back old ones. It's an impressive piece of technology, to be sure, one that I myself have used a fair bit, but to put it in charge of economic planning is dangerously stupid.

>>2601514
>greenhairs
Why are you people so goddamn obsessed with this 2015 Tumblr SJW stereotype? How many of these people do you actually encounter in your daily lives?

>China will be fully socialist
What does "fully socialist" actually mean in this context?


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I'm asking sincerely, how much of a problem is this? Most people are not class conscious and reactionary politics based on vibes is extremely common. I present as fairly "socially traditional" in my personal life while still being a progressive and my politics have surprised many people I know due to their associations with "the left", that being some variation of the "blue haired feminist (or trans woman in 2025)" or whatever boogeyman they have. Being a socialist does not mean what it means to me for these people.

While I obviously find it laughable to not base your politics on material factors and don't subscribe to socially regressive sentiment myself I still feel worried about how much impact this could be having on the movement. I don't know how you would deal with this though because I don't think promoting reactionary politics within the left is a good idea but large swaths of people who will definitely never read theory are also being alienated due having socially regressive views that clash with the "vibes" they're getting of the left, regardless if they're true or not. There's of course also the other side of this where people who are clearly liberals identify as "socialists" due to their own associations with the left and social progressiveness while also never reading theory which makes organizing IRL harder (I have personal experience of this honestly).

Maybe there's some kind of "class reductionism" (despite being used as a derogatory term by some) one could adopt but I also don't know how you'd do that properly since reactionaries weaponize optics anyway.
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>>2608575
Also a truth nuke, don't even bother fighting the media war, their agents alone probably post more propaganda than you, nevermind their botfarms

>>2608087
I think the left plays with optics way too much. It's concern for optics that causes groups to do their pointless little flag and poster holding photo ops with 15 people.

Here's the thing, conservatives look at people with blue hair and go "that's a lazy socialist liberal". This is not, in fact, a socialist who doesn't care about optics. This is a crazed lunatic who calls everything he doesn't like a socialist. And he doesn't like blue hair. This is not a person, this is conservative media with billions of dollars behind it and hundreds of millions of viewers. So it makes sense why you confuse the two things, but hopefully this sets you straight.

IMO the left obsesses over optics too much, trying to be le decent hecking human being. Instead we should stop trying to pass off as normies, we don't need to seem normie to get people on our side.

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>>2608575
>>2608656
Evendoe mainstream media is dying and alternative media is the biggest its ever been. While yes the bourgesisie of course have a hold on this it also lets us establish our own media outlets such as this site. I wouldnt be all doomer about it

>>2609623
>They have grown quite rapidly.
It's been a while since I last checked, but as far as I can tell, they had a decently large influx of members in the beginning, but failed to actually maintain that growth. As far as I can tell, their actual cultural relevance peaked about a year ago, which is kind of sad.


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What is your favorite thread that used to be on /leftypol/?

No happenings, like election threads or le pol face. We're talking about generals, like the WebM dump threads.

for a while, there was a dedicated leftcom thread /internationalism/
kinda sad to see it go, i like leftcoms like you like children with disabilities

>>2608840
> i like leftcoms like you like children with disabilities
Indeed
It is amusing to see them believe in their fantasies and go all in

>>2608840
There was this one unironic hindu nationalist thread I will never forgit

>>2608844
>>2608843
>>2608855
The best threads are those you enjoy purely because they're enjoyable, kind of like how everyone who listens to whatifalthist does so because he's stupid


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So, in addition to the contingent of people who think that Native Americans don’t exist anymore and were all genocided (which ironically is US government propaganda to justify its continued settler-colonial occupation of indigenous land), there also seems to be a contingent of people who thinks that all people in the US regardless of race, *even Native Americans*, are irredeemable and unrevolutionary and should even be killed, such as the posts I’ve circled in the two screenshots I attached. While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes, (and I say this as a white settler myself), and that even manyBlack people in the US still contribute to US imperialism, how on earth could you have this little intellectual curiosity and empathy for the plight of indigenous peoples in the so-called US. I mean come on, thousands of completely unique languages foodways, ways of music and art, and beautiful people were and are continuing to be destroyed for the sake of building the most horrible and destructive empire on the history of earth, and instead of having empathy for those whose lands it is built on, you say you want to continue said evil empire’s genocide all while claiming to oppose said evil empire, just because a small comprador class of Native Americans aligns with US imperialism. I mean even if you don’t care about the people themselves, which you should, shouldn’t you care for the sake of intellectualism about thousands of distinct languages and cultures?

Also, something weird I’ve been noticing is that people say that Hawaii, Guam, and Puerto Rico should be freed from the US, but they never say that native peoples with in the lower 48 states and Alaska should be freed, which just naturalizes the US empire’s occupation of indigenous land.

Idk, it just seems like from online discourse both on and off of /leftypol/, that 95+ percent of leftists outside of the US think that all Native Americans are extinct, or think that they’re horrible and unrevolutionary. NonAmericanBros, especially GlobalSouthBros, please tell me you don’t think this. Please tell me you have love and solidarity for your fellow oppressed people, while also being able to criticize them while they are reactionary in a healthy way without writing them off as a whole. I’m not trying to smear every Non-USian leftist, and I know it’s probably just me being emotionallyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2562173
>While I might be able to get genociding white people
Lmfao

>>2605692
You are almost certainly a honkie yourself and can send your impotent snow monkey ass straight to Hell even today if you want to wipe out westerners so bad

You can start with yourself, western faggot lol

>>2563603
It’s sort of funny, because if anyone deserves to be shot it’s actually american leftoids including everyone on this dogshit website, considering that their ideology is just woke fucking hitlerism due to utter moralfaggotry forming the basis of their worldview

>>2562306
Leftism is the exact opposite of communism so it makes sense
“Anti-imperialism” is just yet another ideology that centers genociding proles to make capitalism more fair

I truly hate the faggotry of leftism

>>2562287
More proof that MLism is an ideology of cope and seethe by eternal losers
Remember that even if China surpasses america economically and geopolitically it had to become a full partner in the capitalist imperialist system to do so, fully abandoning revolution, and you as an impotent western mloid played 0 role in this


 

The majority of leftypol users are not using dialectial materialism, but mechanical materialism. How did this happen and how do we fix it?
I've been using this website for a while and pretty much whenever I tell people to propagandize, agitate, educate and whatnot I get told "that's useless, you're a liberal minded retard" and when I ask what we should do then I get two answers
>thing nobody in this website will do, like making a guerrilla group or firebombing a walmart or some other very drastic shit that screams main character fantasies
>doing nothing. Just read more books.
And the reason every single time is vulgar mechanical materialism disguised as dialectics. Discuss.
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>"The essence of the “new” trend, which adopts a “critical” attitude towards “obsolete dogmatic” Marxism, has been clearly enough presented by Bernstein and demonstrated by Millerand. Social-Democracy must change from a party of social revolution into a democratic party of social reforms

<What is To Be Done?

Dialectical materialism is, at bottom, a philosophy of science; a set of metaphysical and epistemological claims and concepts that are treated as given and to be used as starting points for further analysis. Learning a brand new way of thinking about knowledge itself is extremely hard, and within that realm dialectical materialism is fairly complex compared to, say, positivism. As such, most people either don't try, or hit a weird half-way point where they kind of get it but not really.

>>2608307
Why are people so eager to shut down discussion on a site that's dedicated to it?

>>2608331
I think he just wanted to post that pic and text, he posted it in some others.

>>2608232
>The majority of leftypol users are not using dialectial materialism
yeah they do

>>2608560
No they don’t
Most of this board are metaphysical idealists and can more accurately be called fascists than anything else, at least ideologically

Most are also stupid american subhumans so they cannot recognize that their version of “socialism” is indistinguishable from a ᴉuᴉlossnW rant

At any rate they should be executed in their homes in front of their families mostly to gauge the reactions of the latter


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Trump is gemmy doe
>farmers rise up to overthrow fauci
>opens up the coal mines again
>uses a red hat
>has a lower class martyr that got the presidential medal of freedom
>modern Russia is Christian
Seems like winning to me

>>2608513
>modern Russia is Christian
Why is this considered a good thing?

>>2608520
OP's post is making fun of multipolaristas for repackaging western imperialist bourgeois morality with multipolar branding stamped on it.

>>2608520
We wouldn’t have Stoli if that one warlord 1000 years ago chose Islam

>>2608520
also what does that have to do with Trump or his being "gemmy." I swear to god chuds are drunks and addicts who post their idle thoughts that they had right after fapping, before they've even washed their hands (which they never do)


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Hey guys, a couple of days ago, while reading an article, I remembered about a Marx quote where he talks about the use of methods and methodologies in Science by comparing them to a ray of light and a piece of glass (I think? I can't quite remember correctly, something like that anyway). In the quote he says something along the lines of "If knowledge is a ray of light and a method is a piece of glass then by utilising a method we are merely observing the reflection of the ray of light, not the ray of light itself" (I think). The problem is I read this quote so long ago I've forgotten it's exact phrasing.

I've been searching for it for days and I haven't been able to find it, I figured it would be been in the German Ideology, or maybe Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, or the Philosophical Manuscripts but none of those have anything similar.

To be honest I don't even know if this quote is actually Marx's or if it was Engels or Hegel saying it, that's how bad my memory is.

If any of you remember such a quote and/or know in which text it was written please respond to this thread it would be of great help. Even if you vaguely remember it and haven't checked the text in a while.

Thanks in advance to all of you

>>2607775
ask ai

also, no sharties which are non OC

The fuck do we know, nobody reads marx here

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>Any mention of Essence implies that we distinguish it from Being: the latter is immediate, and, compared with the Essence, we look upon it as mere seeming. But this seeming is not an utter nonentity and nothing at all, but Being superseded and put by. The point of view given by the Essence is, in general, the standpoint of 'Reflection'. This word 'reflection' is originally applied, when a ray of light in a straight line impinging upon the surface of a mirror is thrown back from it. In this phenomenon, we have two things – first an immediate fact which is, and secondly the deputed, derivated, or transmitted phase of the same. Something of this sort takes place when we reflect, or think upon an object: for here we want to know the object, not in its immediacy, but as derivative or mediated. The problem or aim of philosophy is often represented as the ascertainment of the essence of things: a phrase which only means that things, instead of being left in their immediacy, must be shown to be mediated by, or based upon, something else. The immediate Being of things is thus conceived under the image of a rind or curtain behind which the Essence is hidden.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slessenc.htm

>>2607775
Nusoicacas can’t marx they quotes


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US pursuing third oil tanker near Venezuela, officials say
The pre-dawn operation comes days after Trump announced a “blockade” of all sanctioned oil tankers coming in and out of the South American country and follows the Dec. 10 seizure by American forces of an oil tanker off Venezuela’s coast. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem confirmed that the U.S. Coast Guard with help from the Defense Department stopped the oil tanker that was last docked in Venezuela. She also posted on social media an unclassified video of a U.S helicopter landing personnel on a vessel called Centuries.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-intercepts-another-vessel-near-venezuela-officials-say-2025-12-21/

UN Experts Warn of “Dangerous Setback” in Peru Over Law Limiting Trials for Crimes Against Humanity
United Nations human rights experts expressed their “deep concern” on Friday over the ruling by Peru’s Constitutional Court upholding Law 32107, which limits the prosecution of crimes against humanity committed before 2002. They described the measure as a “dangerous setback” in compliance with international obligations.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/un-experts-warn-of-dangerous-setback-in-peru-over-law-limiting-trials-for-crimes-against-humanity/

Brazil's Lula, Argentina's Milei clash over Venezuela at Mercosur summit
Sparring comments from Lula and Milei came at a meeting of the South American bloc, at which a future trade deal with the European Union was on the agenda. But the tensions over Venezuela – once a member of Mercosur but suspended in 2016 – exploded in the open, with Lula warning that armed conflict could spark a "humanitarian catastrophe," and Milei praising Trump's sabre-rattling approach to the crisis.
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/latin-america/brazils-lula-argentinas-milei-clash-over-venezuela-at-mercosur-summit.phtml
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tybna

Dems Demand Answers as Trump Photo Disappears From DOJ Online Epstein Files
“This photo, file 468, from the Epstein files that includes Donald Trump, has apparently now been removed from the DOJ release,” Democrats on the House Oversight Committee noted in a Bluesky post. “AG Bondi, is this true? What else is being covered up? We need transparency for the American public.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-and-epstein-photos-2674817173

Trump administration backs continued Dakota Access pipeline operations
In the final report issued Friday, the administration said it would allow the pipeline to continue running — though it would add some additional stipulations. In particular, Dakota Access will have to develop a plan for alternative drinking water supplies for nearby communities in the case of an oil spill. It will also have to install better leak detection systems as new technology becomes available and conduct water sampling twice per year.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5657693-dakota-access-oil-pipeline/
https://archive.ph/PuySs

ICE agent fires shots at man after being hit by SUV
The man also bit an ICE agent as officers subdued him outside his apartment in St. Paul after he tried to flee on foot, Assistant Homeland Security Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in an email. The man wasn’t hurt, and the injuries received by the agents struck by the SUV were not life-threatening, though he and the agents were taken to the hospital for evaluation, McLaughlin said.
https://apnews.com/article/ice-agents-struck-car-minnesota-50873a557ea53fc07af5b60132bbd43a

Dollar General agrees to pay $15m to settle price-gouging claims
Dollar General, the retail giant that promises “convenience, quality brands and low prices”, has agreed to pay at least $15m to settle claims that it overcharged customers at many of its 20,000 US stores. ThePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Canada’s Assisted Dying Program Is Bad for the Vulnerable
In 2016, Canada passed landmark legislation to legalize what it euphemizes as Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) — physician-assisted suicide, or euthanasia by doctor. At the time, it was hailed as a progressive victory allowing Canada to join the ranks of liberal scions such as Belgium and the Netherlands, which had legalized such practices in 2002 and 2001, respectively. But the unfolding of the MAiD program since its inception, coupled with recent and upcoming legal changes in Canada, have done more to reveal the moral poverty of the neoliberal project and its attendant conception of autonomy than to buttress the country’s progressive credentials. The history of the movement for MAiD — and the larger discussion of end-of-life issues in biomedical ethics — is usually understood as a cultural victory over traditional prejudices. This is due in no small part to the fact that the most strident opponents of MAiD in the United States are conservative evangelical Christians. Those working to legalize MAiD have tended to ally themselves with other activists working on causes thought of as progressive, such as efforts to legalize marijuana, expand abortion access, and so on. In the United States, such efforts resulted in a broad-based coalition of voters approving a ballot measure legalizing physician-assisted suicide for terminally ill patients in Oregon in 1994. (Following legal challenges, the law took effect in 1997.) Other states followed suit not long after; it is now legal in eleven states as well as Washington, DC. But it would be too hasty to conclude that all of the changes in end-of-life law in the Western world seen in recent decades are unambiguous victories for individual liberty. Analyzing the political-economic context in which Canada has full-throatedly embraced its relatively new MAiD program brings serious moral concerns to light.
https://jacobin.com/2025/12/canada-austerity-assisted-suicide-autonomy

To hell with social mobility: it’s workers moving together who will change this country
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