/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1219180
No.
Everytime anarchists come to power they setup tiny little gay States, refuse to centralise power and command under one large United army then promptly fail to defend themselves
<As soon as they were faced with a serious revolutionary situation, the Bakuninists had to throw the whole of their old programme overboard. First they sacrificed their doctrine of absolute abstention from political, and especially electoral, activities. Then anarchy, the abolition of the State, shared the same fate. Instead of abolishing the State they tried, on the contrary, to set up a number of new, small states. They then dropped the principle that the workers must not take part in any revolution that did not have as its aim the immediate and complete emancipation of the proletariat, and they themselves took part in a movement that was notoriously bourgeois. Finally they went against the dogma they had only just proclaimed – that the establishment of a revolutionary government is but another fraud another betrayal of the working class – for they sat quite comfortably in the juntas of the various towns, and moreover almost everywhere as an impotent minority outvoted and politically exploited by the bourgeoisie.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/bakunin/

>>1249631
I feel you anon, i feel you.

Everywhere in the world is anarchist. Always has been, always will be.

>>1259939
Kind of. The Revolution itself predated French involvement, generally when people say "proxy war" on this board they mean some kind of CIA Color Revolution ordeal where the crisis is entirely manufactured by foreign parties.

That's not what happened. The British behaved imperialistically and unfairly toward their own Colonists, their Colonists revolted, and France took advantage of the situation only for it to turn out that spending all your money funding a republican Revolution in another country isn't the greatest idea for the long term livability of the Ancien Regime.

>>1259950
>generally when people say "proxy war" on this board they mean some kind of CIA Color Revolution ordeal where the crisis is entirely manufactured by foreign parties
Then they're using that term wrong. When I say "proxy war" I mean a war fought by one power against their rival via supporting a third party in its own conflict with said rival.

>>1259967
Fair enough. You're one of the few who uses the term correctly on this board in that case.

That being said, by this logic nearly every conflict in human history has been a proxy war, it eventually becomes a meaningless term.

>>1259892
They entrench themselves further while using it as a buffer zone. Crossing this buffer zone will be hell for another Russian advance. Therefore Russia loses the initiative in attacking Nikolaev, and from there on Odessa. This is a straight defeat no matter how you present it. It's even worse because the partial mobilization was done to launch offenses and support the operation, however offensively we're seeing little being done with the extra manpower. The only progression Russia has made in the last 2 months is attacking Ukraine's energy supply and some critical infrastructure.

> conserving lives
They should have been conserved by getting supplied enough to launch the offensive against Nikolaev.

> what the fuck where they thinking

Good question, since they now abandoned a lot of hope for a counteroffensive in the winter and will draw this stalemate out further. A stalemate that is a disadvantage for Russia because the west will now have even more time to produce weaponry to supply for Ukraine's war.

> the west got what it wanted
It got the second best thing it wanted and that is Russia completely crippled in its ability to lash out beyond using nuclear weapons. The original plan was to keep using Ukraine for dirty business. Like what Kerry, Biden, Podesta did accepting money from Burisma, money Kolomoisky looted through privatbank from Ukranian citizens. It's quite depressing really seeing Ukranians die for people who are robbing them dry.

>>1259812
It is likely that they 100% believe its a trap in some way since they threw a ton of men into the Kherson meat grinder so they're unlikely to believe after losing so much that Russia just hands it over and thereby also cancels its plans to take Nykolaev and Odessa.

>>1257078
Whoops, forgot my flag!

>>1256897
>“If we see a continuation of the situation where, until the age of 25, young women drink as much as men their age, then there will be no children,” Kaczyński said on Saturday. “A man, in order to become an alcoholic, has to drink excessively for 20 years on average … while a woman only two.” The head of the rightwing Law and Justice (PiS) party, who has no children, said his information came from a doctor who “managed to cure a third of his male alcoholic patients but no women”.

The only time I actually support malthusianism

>>1256897
Great day for incels it seems

>>1257387
If young women don't drink, you will stay a virgin all your life, think twice moron.

https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-municipal-elections-nicaragua-daniel-ortega-464e47a48a56c5dbc765f2e37608bfd8
Sandinistas complete their political domination of Nicaragua
MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Sandinista National Liberation Front completed its political domination of Nicaragua on Monday as electoral officials said it had won control of all the country’s 153 municipalities in elections that critics called unfair.

Coming into Sunday’s elections, the party of President Daniel Ortega already controlled 141 of Nicaragua’s municipalities. But having outlawed the country’s main opposition parties and jailed dozens of opposition figures, the field was clear for the Sandinistas’ sweep.

They appeared to achieve de facto single-party status, wresting control of the last 12 municipalities that had been in the hands of other parties, though those groups were considered collaborationist by much of the exiled opposition

>>1256230
The Ontario gov, with the threat of a general strike, backed down and now appears to be coming cap-in-hand.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-lecce-education-contract-negotiations-1.6644075

>>1257419
>Yay let's build food skyscrapers made of concrete which will pump even more co2 into the atmosphere.
Cope, proletariat will continue transforming nature no matter how you seethe at US monopoly position being rooted
<China Used More Concrete In 3 Years Than The U.S. Used In The Entire 20th Century [Infographic]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2014/12/05/china-used-more-concrete-in-3-years-than-the-u-s-used-in-the-entire-20th-century-infographic/
>Climate change is not bunk science dude, we are fucked
All funded by Rockefeller and Kissinger. T
hey predicted climate cooling in 60s-70s and they were devising schemes on how to warm the planet, predicted famines that never came to pass.
Climate scientists were saying they should let "nations like Egypt go down the drain" etc
Face it, you will actually have to labour in the future as opposed to getting welfare cheques for bullshit jobs from an employer based completely on parasitism of the world economy

>>1257562
Sniiiiiiiifff

Oooh these flowers are pungent and quite positively bloooooooming this morning

>>1251771
Climate disaster makes me a bloomer. I will join the based Sea Peoples on liberating the proletariat from capitalism and cilivilization.

>>1259491
*Jungle Peoples

>>1257979
i will get a gf

>🇺🇲
United States Minor Outlying Islands?

keep this shit to your containment thread crakkka

>>1257979
>Private bourgeoisie
what is that ?
How is Bill gates not "private Bourgeois" ?

>>1258218
Ron Desanctimonious is becoming less popular every day

Activision Blizzard Is Trying to Stop a Union Vote At Its Albany Office
Activision Blizzard is asking the National Labor Relations Board to stop a union vote at its Diablo quality assurance (QA) department in Albany, NY because, it claims, game development is unlike any other form of labor, making years of NLRB precedent irrelevant. Following a successful union organizing drive, the company has requested that the votes be impounded until a review is completed.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkgv48/activision-blizzard-is-trying-to-stop-a-union-vote-at-its-albany-office
https://archive.ph/RSJl4

Big Oil Spent $13 Million to Boost Republicans in These 3 Toss-Up Senate Races
According to Greenpeace's breakdown of campaign finance data, Big Oil has donated more than $5.4 million to party committees and super PACs backing Dr. Mehmet Oz in Pennsylvania, $5.3 million to bolster Herschel Walker in Georgia, and $2 million to support Adam Laxalt in Nevada, each of whom has signaled they would oppose climate action if elected. During his tenure as Nevada's attorney general, Laxalt—who has ties to the Koch network—worked with other GOP officials to shield ExxonMobil from a fraud investigation.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/11/08/big-oil-spent-13-million-boost-republicans-these-3-toss-senate-races

‘$15 an hour is not enough’: US domestic workers rally on eve of midterms
As America heads to the polls, representatives of the more than 2 million workers in domestic jobs – from caring for the sick, elderly and disabled to cleaning homes – are making a last-minute midterms push to make sure their voices are heard.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/07/us-domestic-workers-midterms-election-minimum-wage-campaign

Tyson Foods CFO arrested after drunkenly entering random Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Turkey: Union leader detained for saying 'stupid' societies eat too much bread
>Cihan Kolivar, chairman for the Union for Bread Producers in Turkey, had been speaking on Monday to the Haberturk news channel about the rising price of bread in the country. “Bread is the staple food for the stupid societies"
Lemao

Left Electoralism, Fascist Direct Action, and Anti-Fascist Resistance
The 2022 elections pitted the authoritarian nationalism of Jair Bolsonaro against the institutional leftism of Workers Party candidate Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Each of these rival strategies for governance presented itself as the only possible salvation for democracy. The entire campaign was marked by acts of violence, and not just from voters: at various points, parliamentarians allied with Bolsonaro exchanged gunfire with police officers and chased opponents in the streets with guns in hand. On October 30, the second round of the election took place to determine the president and governors, and Bolsonaro lost to former president Lula. But Lula won by only 1.8%, setting the stage for strife that will continue to divide Brazil, just as the 2020 elections in the United States did not mark the end of political polarization. After the result was released on Sunday night, Bolsonaro supporters began blocking roads. The institutional left and its grassroots movements did not respond; it was left to autonomous anti-fascists, football fans, and residents of the periphery to unblock the roads. This offers a glimpse of the conflicts we will see in the coming years of Workers Party government as the extreme right reorganizes itself while the institutional left continues to bet on a social order that is slowly collapsing.
https://crimethinc.com/2022/11/06/left-electoralism-fascist-direct-action-and-anti-fascist-resistance-the-brazilian-elections-of-2022-and-their-implications-1

Tories cry crocodile tears as migrant crisis escalates
Horrific conditions at a migrant processing facility in Kent have revealed the reality of the Tories’ ‘hostile environment’ policy. Whilst some Tory figures may cry crocodile tears about the migrant crisis, the truth is that the dire situation facing refugees and asylum-seekers is a scandal entirely of the government’s making. Recent events have shone a spotlight on conditions at the Manston detention centre in Kent. This facility is designed to process up to 1,600 migrants per day. Yet asylum-seekers – who have fled war and torture – have been subjected to massive overcrowding, with up toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1258066
based, rice enjoyers stay winning

Thanks News Anon

>>1257872
A 3 way troubles, even. left vs right vs establishment all in the same arena

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https://twitter.com/RickonFox23/status/1590074695931437058?s=20&t=xFRnayUG-qUOF79iOm4gWw

>>1257872
>I like the term "cold civir war".
All class societies exist in a state of cold civil war comrade.

>>1257872
The thing is that most people in the cities tend to be lib and people out in the sticks tend to be cons. You don't really have that same level of geographical divide that you see in Ireland.

>>1258071
class war is not the same as a civil war but whatever

>>1257587
>>What is free exchange? It is unrestricted trade, and that means turning back towards capitalism. Free exchange and freedom of trade mean circulation of commodities between petty proprietors. All of us who have studied at least the elements of Marxism know that this exchange and freedom of trade inevitably lead to a division of commodity producers into owners of capital and owners of labour-power, a division into capitalists and wage-workers, i.e., a revival of capitalist wage-slavery, which does not fall from the sky but springs the world over precisely from the agricultural commodity economy. This we know perfectly well in theory, and anyone in Russia who has observed the small farmer’s life and the conditions under which he farms must have seen this.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/10thcong/ch03.htm

OK, this

>revival of capitalist wage-slavery, which does not fall from the sky but springs the world over precisely from the agricultural commodity economy.

Exactly! The farming products were not the only commodities. He mean food, which is biologically necessary unlike some wine or flowers or toys, etc commodities.

But in the same text he is saying

>Can it be done at all, theoretically speaking: can freedom of trade, freedom of capitalist enterprise for the small farmer, be restored to a certain extent without undermining the political power of the proletariat? Can it be done? Yes;
…
>We can allow free local exchange to an appreciabIe extent, without destroying, but actually strengthening the political power of the proletariat. How this is to be done, practice will show. I only wish to prove to you that theoretically it is conceivable. The proletariat, wielding state power, can, if it has any reserves at all, put them into circulation and thereby satisfy the middle peasant to a certain extent—on the basis of local economic exchange.

Lenin is confusing, saying "Anyone who knows the ABC of Marxism …" no links or anything.

And here
>>1257907 (You) (You)
Lenin is saying that some exchange is ok.

I found ABC of communism by Bakhunin and he is saying, §8 Wage Labour
>The vast numbers who were left without any property were transformed into the wage labourers of capital. What indeed was left for the impoverished peasant or artisan to do? Either take service as agricultural labourer under the capitalist landowner, or else go to the town and there seek employment in factory or workshop. There was no other way out.

But with workers dictatorship there is a way out.

>>1257907
Lenin isn't denying that freedom to trade will lead to the development of capitalism. All he's saying is that the proletariat can allow capitalism to grow without losing state power.

That text was from the period of transition between War Communism and NEP so that's why he's saying that.

>>1258188
>Lenin isn't denying that freedom to trade will lead to the development of capitalism. All he's saying is that the proletariat can allow capitalism to grow without losing state power.

No. It can't be, capitalism requires a state for workers oppression. NEP is not capitalism, no?
They had Soviets still under workers control, or may be not.. I'm not sure since Lenin suppressed one of the Soviets, but I do not recall the date.

I'm reading on NEP and it is
>allowed private individuals to own small and medium sized enterprises,[2] while the state continued to control large industries, banks and foreign trade.

Was the large industry controlled by plan?

>>1258269
>No. It can't be, capitalism requires a state for workers oppression.
Yeah and workers were oppressed by the capital under their own rule. They were managing their own exploitation because the condition for overcoming capitalism didn't exist at that moment in time.
>NEP is not capitalism, no?
It is
>The New Economic Policy means substituting a tax for the requisitioning of food; it means reverting to capitalism to a considerable extent—to what extent we do not know. Concessions to foreign capitalists (true, only very few have been accepted, especially when compared with the number we have offered) and leasing enterprises to private capitalists definitely mean restoring capitalism, and this is part and parcel of the New Economic Policy; for the abolition of the surplus-food appropriation system means allowing the peasants to trade freely in their surplus agricultural produce, in whatever is left over after the tax is collected—and the tax~ takes only a small share of that produce. The peasants constitute a huge section of our population and of our entire economy, and that is why capitalism must grow out of this soil of free trading.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm

>It goes without saying that the tax in kind means freedom to trade. After having paid the tax in kind, the peasant will have the right freely to exchange the remainder of his grain. This freedom of exchange implies freedom for capitalism. We say this openly and emphasise it. We do not conceal it in the least. Things would go very hard with us if we attempted to conceal it. Freedom to trade means freedom for capitalism, but it also means a new form of capitalism. It means that, to a certain extent, we are re-creating capitalism. We are doing this quite openly. It is state capitalism. But state capitalism in a society where power belongs to capital, and state capitalism in a proletarian state, are two different concepts. In a capitalist state, state capitalism means that it is recognised by the state and controlled by it for the benefit of the bourgeoisie, and to the detriment of the proletariat. In the proletarian Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1250566
>Lol of course most anons in lefty/pol/ only care about soldiers.
<one guy
Didn't taking one opinion and presenting it as a board consensus in bad faith in order to troll used to be against the rules?
What ever happened to that rule?

Only broad social unionizing which can include people across sectoral boundaries, soldiers, the unemployed, etc. has any chance of advancing a socialist political project.
If you limit yourself to the most 'strategic' sectors of the workforce, then we know exactly what will happen. That sector will eventually win some modest concessions and representation from the bourgeoisie, the workers will immediately sink back into trade-union consciousness to defend their gains, and communist organizers will be sidelined or purged. This is what's happened to every successful labor organization in the industrial world.

>>1250906
loosely enforced to allow shitposting,since it's "board culture"
I'm not sure about the army,since most are there now to get a paycheck,and aren't actually commited to anything (especially not waging a war,which is an actual problem for a ton of armies in "devellopped" countries) and I just don't see them coming around to "our" side in droves because of it,they're very invested in keeping the job and not doing anything dangerous,but if your country army sounds receptive,go for it.

>>1250986 (me)
it also means most wouldn't actually start firing on the civilians,they would unironically go back to their home to smoke weed if a civil war happenned,so if you manage to get some on your side,it actually would make a big difference in numbers,and the real problem in a time of civil unrest is not the army,it's the police,this is very clear and has been demonstrated multiple times,so I don't get why this thread is trying to pretend the army is going to gun them down and sage is dumb and smelly for it.

Soldiers don't have any power, they're not workers in any real sense, and they're easily discarded
Maybe at best the officers can provide their expertise if they come on board and help train a new military from the ground up, but that's about it
BTW the DoD isn't just soldiers
You do realize firms have different types of employees within them, right?

So what did we learn from it?

>>1256640
The necessity of the proletarian dictatorship.

>>1256640
Not what month it is…

Fidel Castro, Soviet Television Interview on the Occasion of the Sixtieth Anniversary of the October Revolution. November 7, 1977

[Question] Comrade Commander: I would like to ask you your opinion on the influence of the Great October Revolution.

[Answer] The October Revolution had an impact on the entire world, on all continents, on all peoples. And, of course, it had a great influence on Cuba. A few years had elapsed since the end of our wars of independence. But Cuba’s wars of independence had not concluded with full independence for our people because U.S. intervention took place, and, as a result, a puppet republic emerged and neocolonialism was established. The North American monopolies seized our fundamental resources. As a result of that, there was great frustration, great unhappiness among our people. By then, the ideas of Marx and Engels had already been disseminated in some labor and intellectual circles of our country, so the October Revolution had a great impact on our people.

We can say that the immense majority of our workers, peasants and intellectuals welcomed it with great sympathy and experienced a profound solidarity with the October Revolution. This caused the awakening of a much greater interest due to social problems, increased the class struggle and the study of textbooks by Marx, Engels and Lenin and gave a great impetus to the formation of the first communist party in Cuba.

In workers’ and university circles, the first Marxist-Leninist groups were organized, which some years later founded Cuba’s first communist party. This party had a great influence on the struggle being waged during those days, which coincided with a great economic crisis in the 1930’s and had a great influence on the formation of a revolutionary awareness among the exploited classes of our country.

That was the immediate influence. That influence remained prevalent over the years, and above all it continued following the consolidation of the revolution and the establishment of the first socialist state. It continued for decades. Thus, the vanguards, the more conscious elements of the working class and the intellectual circles were greatly inspired by the October Revolution. It happens with all of us, not only in workers’ circles but also in student’s circles, in intellectual circles. We can add that the ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin had decisive influence on the revolutionary nucleus which organized the armed strugPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1237963
BAYZED