/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2598025
slopography

>>2597977
He's kinda right tho. There is an intersectional coalition among groypers between tradcaths and nazis which will not last because Jesus is, well, Jewsus, and after the 2000s American white nationalism had been firmly on the side of aryan esotericism, but also because the largest Catholic bloc in the country are brown people. It is easy to reconcile this when you are just juggling vibes but in the future at least one of the groypers will read the passage about Christians being one body and start flipping out

>>2598009
And yet, Americans continue proving themselves irredeemably in support of NATO.

By the way, I am no maoist, you could scarcely find me any more than a fellow traveler with regards to socialism. I don't think Americans need to save the world, or perish defending US imperialism. That would be too kind to the American people, to expect of them the agency required to do anything at all as US hegemony wanes.

Nono, Americans will be passive recipients of global liberalism as they have been since the USA lost the ability to mobilize their military since the "gulf war", but now as the losers of the cold war.

There is no justice in this, but I won't hide how it tickles me so, to see the average liberal grandstanding on the conveyor, knowing where it ends for them. It's that same notion of American exceptionalism which "allows" them to ignore the approaching cacophony.

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>>2598030
Bait

>>2597299
>Wow Marx and Engels describing exactly what I said, which crucially isn’t the workers mystically becoming the ruling class
Then why do they describe it as the workers becoming the ruling class?
>even if the only actual context where this formulation of “DOTP” as “workers becoming the ruling class” only *barely* makes sense in a society where the proletariat are a small amount of the population embedded in a vast peasant hinterlands
The State and Revolution (where that Lenin quote comes from) isn't just about Russia, its a general treatise on how communists should relate to state power and wield it in service of socialist construction. Lenin's description of the DotP as the establishment of the workers as the ruling class is also consistent with how Marx and Engels describe it.
>You should ask yourself crucially what the fuck could the proletariat “rule” the bourgeoisie to do
Look man, it's really not that hard to grasp. The proletariat seizes power and establishesna DotP. It then sets about the tasks of socialist constriction such as expansion of the means of production and expropriation of the bourgeoisie. However this doesn't happen instantaneously, but "by degree" as Marx says. You can quibble over precise timeframes, but even in the USSR it didn't really happen until the end of the NEP more than a decade after the October Revolution. During this transitional phase the workers are the ruling class insofar as they establish a class dictatorship rule over a bourgeoisie which has not yet been expropriated. This continues until the expropriation is complete, at which point the workers begin the process of abolishing themselves as a class. Idk why you're taking such issue with this concept when this is exactly the language used by Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Or why you're so determined to prove that an American worker's song about proletarian revolution is somehow reactionary.

It'll be incredibly funny if it turns out anime is the reason zoomers and gen alphas in the US grew up to be socialist. Literally just seeing animation from another country, even one with it's own issues culturally, gave them enough time away from Amerikkkan culture that that they noticed how stupid everything is at home.

Kinda explains why early anime censorship was so heavy handed: media companies knew the raw stuff would completely shatter the bubble they've worked so hard to build.

>>2597836
>It’s already been explained to you that “Solidarity Forever”
It hasn't been explained actually, it's been asserted without evidence.
>that never explicitly references the proletariat but the “workers”
You're really grasping at straws at this point aren't you? Is the Korean Worker's Party not proletarian either? What about the Workers and Peasants Red Army? Are you really going to sit there and pretend that communists don't constantly use "workers" and "proletarians" interchangeably?
>which in the context of America invariably favors the petite bourgeoisie and kulaks
Anon, its a trade unionist song, and idk if you know this, but trade unions are by definition proletarian organizations. This is just getting embarrassing for you. Here, take a look at this IWW pamphlet from around the time the song was written (it was very popular with wobblies) and feel free to tell me how it's totally not about socialism or proletarian revolution. I'd love to see how far you're willing to take this.

>>2597836
🙄 It's a fucking song not a textbook.

>>2591407
It would be interesting if he was resurrected. He would debunk every "marxist." Ithink he hated "Marxists" in his own lifetime.

>>2591407
Answer the question faggot

>>2594759
That's why I'm coming to y'all. What would you recommend for me to do to implement these changes?

>>2549397
no, he's saying "look at what arabs did", racistly.

>>2548991
>Stop resisting!
cops are something else, man.

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Which minority group in the USA even wants indepedencce though? Im talking about the masses, not fringe groups. I see neither blacks, chicanos, Cherokees, Iroquois etc etc wanting independence.

>>2597443
Most don't benefit from independence as much as interdependence, investment/reparations, and cultural autonomy

>>2597548
There we go. Stop bitching about Prison of Nations then.

>>2597548
Or in simple terms, they want their share of the imperial plunder.

>>2597630
I do not take lessons from DSA social-facists.

>>2596601
I really like this meme.

>>2596647
you can have it friend

>>2596610
>>2596612
ESL moment

>>2596690
point out and correct the mistakes, don't just be a smartass about it

>>2596626
So uh, any ideas or are we just fucked?

>>2596667
Trúke

>Trump and the globohomo awakening in two weeks
The eternal two-weeks wait usually appeals to intellectually insecure rightoids, hence the chess metaphors in which it's usually couched, with the gloriously elaborate checkmating coming any day now.
Rightoids are intellectually insecure because of the liberal domination of academia and also because deep down they're embarrassed about the intellectual merits of their representatives from Dubya to Trump (it's no surprise that the two-weeks wait usually includes a lot of overcompensation about Trump's "genius" as he lays his "traps").

>>2596903
Oh don't worry about it, climate change is gonna send 7 billion third worlders your way by 2050 🤫

>>2596626
>The only thing in their future is more disappointment and deep down, they know it.
Have you tried shopping? It actually feels really good to buy stuff. Of course the feeling wears off and existential dread and anxiety returns in about 2-3 days but you can always go back and buy more stuff.

>>2596842
The Soviet "schizophrenia" was entirely justified and the only reason why the bloc failed is that they didn't go far enough. The USSR was one of the best functioning states in the world, there was no corruption and then Khrushchev came in and re-implemented capitalism while loosening party discipline and freeing all the fifth columnists from prison. It's not a surprise that the state collapsed, the Communist party was full of opportunists many of whom (Gorbacuck) were active enemies of socialism. Gorbacuck was mad because his Kulak grandparents were correctly liquidated by Stalin and he set about to destroy the USSR because of it.

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>>2596932
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>>2596363
thank you

>>2596820
I genuinely did not know about Venezuela's communal councils until last week, that's lightyears ahead of burgerdom where much of this kind of work gets laundered through non profits

>>2596613
Wouldnt you able to adress by simply making money expire after ar certain time?

>>2596631
Im not sure my educated guess is that this would create just an another set of problems. I would focus more on socialism instead of trying to fix capitalism.

>>2596635
True

>>2595926

Here we go teaching the "marxists" marxian economics again

Deflation can result due to productivity increases. Deflation of necessary goods is the basis for relative surplus value, through which porkies can increase the rate of exploitation via lowering wages. This phenomenon is implemented concretely via relative inflation, through which inflation of commodities rises faster than wage rises, having the same effect as a direct deflation of wages but the mechanism is hidden from the worker to reduce class conflict. Productivity-derived deflation of capital goods on the other hand lowers the organic composition of capital, and thus constitutes a countervailing effect to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall.

Deflation is an entirely different matter in the context of a crisis of overproduction. Once the crisis hits, credit disappears causing a massive drop in demand and surge in debt payments, so capitalists clear their stock at low prices to get any money they can, investment stops and unemployment rises, leading to a drop in demand and sales, leading to lower prices still, reinforcing the cycle. Deflation here includes a lowering of wages due to a growing reserve army of labor. Because it is a systemic feedback loop there's no such thing as "prices are low so you can buy more!!1" because incomes fall in tandem with prices. Only once sufficient capital has been destroyed, sufficient debt has been settled, and wages and interest rates have fallen enough, will the rate of industrial profit be restored to the point that expanding production can once again be profitable.

So deflation as a symptom of a crisis of overproduction and indirect wage deflation bad actually, while wage increases tied to productivity increases good, as well as capital good deflation only because it increases in the rate of profit without resorting to class warfare

I thought a ceasefire was agreed upon

>>2596689
lol no

Utah repeals ban on collective bargaining for teachers, firefighters and police unions
Utah has repealed a collective bargaining ban passed earlier this year that prevented labor unions serving teachers, firefighters, police and other public employees from negotiating on behalf of their workers. Republican Gov. Spencer Cox on Thursday approved the repeal of a policy that experts had called one of the most restrictive labor laws in the country.
https://apnews.com/article/utah-labor-unions-collective-bargaining-repeal-a84267e0c9bff480a648aacc79c1bc7c

Inside Kristi Noem's bitter feud with Trump's border czar
Noem, a former South Dakota governor, has spent millions of department dollars on a controversial campaign-style ad blitz that some insiders believe promotes her as much as the department's mission. That rankles career immigration officials, many of whom are loyal to Homan, a 30-year immigration-enforcement vet. Insiders have personally complained to Trump about Noem's management and the role of her top adviser, Trump campaign veteran Corey Lewandowski, who in effect runs DHS, the sources said.
https://www.axios.com/2025/12/11/trump-kristi-noem-tom-homan-feud-immigration
https://archive.ph/DYc8k

JetBlue flight near Venezuela avoids ‘midair collision’ with US Air Force tanker
“We almost had a midair collision up here,” the JetBlue pilot said, according to a recording of his conversation with air traffic control. “They passed directly in our flight path. … They don’t have their transponder turned on, it’s outrageous.”
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-jetblue-military-tanker-collision-baa2ab38062c5143ba6ce8164219ece2

US invalidates union contract covering 47,000 TSA officers, AFGE vows to challenge
U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Friday terminated the collective bargaininPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

TKP-ML: Notes On Abdullah Öcalan’s “Perspective” Document
Following PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan’s “Call for Peace and a Democratic Society,” the PKK decided to end its armed struggle by dissolving itself at its Extraordinary 12th Congress held between 5 and 7 May. A. Öcalan prepared two separate documents sent to the PKK’s 12th Congress. Serxwebûn newspaper published the 21-page document written by A. Öcalan on 25 April in its 521st issue.
General Introduction: Following PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan’s “Call for Peace and a Democratic Society,” the PKK decided to end its armed struggle by passing a resolution to dissolve itself at its 12th Extraordinary Congress held on May 5-7. A. Öcalan prepared two separate documents sent to the PKK’s 12th Congress. Serxwebûn newspaper published the 21-page document written by A. Öcalan on April 25 in its 521st issue. In this “Perspective” document, consisting of an introduction and seven main sections, A. Öcalan addresses the theoretical, political, historical, and programmatic foundations of the new era from his and his organization’s perspective. This article evaluates the “Perspective” letter sent by A. Öcalan to the PKK’s Extraordinary 12th Congress.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/25551/

Greece’s Broken Democracy Is a Warning for Europe
On the night of his election victory on July 7, 2019, new prime minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis declared that Greece was “returning to normal.” Leader of the right-wing New Democracy party, Mitsotakis promised a government of the “best and brightest” and drew a line under the previous four years of Syriza rule, vowing to erase its legacy piece by piece. More than six years on, that promised “normal” looks less like stability and more like a permanent state of managed scandal. Mitsotakis’s tenure has unfolded in a landscape marred by allegations of corruption, financial mismanagement, illegal surveillance, cover-ups, abuse of European Union funds, manipulation of the justice system, and a tightly controlled propaganda machine financed through state resources. It’s something we hadn’t seen since the fall of the military dictatorship. In that half-century of democracy, there has been no comparable case of a governing party that so stubbornly refused to police its own ranks, shielded itself from scrutiny with such disciPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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