/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2648616
it's "seize power"
BTW we usually only name major updates after people who won something. Practice proves theory… what proves Gramsci correct?

>>2663372
That the fascists read his work and proceeded to completely curb stomp socialism with psyops and other active measures.

>>2648616
>Granscianism is the most recent "update" to Marxism after Leninism
leninism isnt a thing and gramscianism definitely isnt a thing either lmao

I think a big issue is conceptualizing Marxism in terms of software with “updates” and that it’s a matter of going through the old files to figure out what’s causing the system to crash instead of trying to develop new theories and argue them using the tools we already have.

>>2668424
>CPUSAtard thinks the proletarian movement depends on developing even more new theories just because (literally "publish or perish" university mentality)
try not conceiving of communism as something external to the proletariat first. we definitely dont need even more moron academics trying to carve their own niche bullshit theories that have nothing to do with communism

you really have to start questioning people when shit like this gets passed around. capitalism, a most mysterious thing, that requires a new theory every year to explain it!

>>2652564
Finally a decent post in an otherwise questionable thread
>despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did.
I'm curious to know how in your view Albanese has put the tariff situation to good use, aside from attempting (so far rather fruitlessly) to secure some concessions for the steelmaking and aluminium industries as well as agriculture, he has been far more meek and willing to turn the other cheek about the whole thing than Carney has.

Is leftypol banned in Singapore? I haven't seen anyone from Singapore here

>>2652564
>Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.

this is pretty much the same path japan, korea, and taiwan went. Lol

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>>2652127
good posts

>>2667529
I get the impression that Singaporeans are live in a weird bubble and are very mentally strait-jacketed for the most part. They can't see anything outside their carefully curated and hypercompetitive culture of their authoritarian city-state.

>>2660051
>Given that, when can we expect China to implement global socialism?

the chinese are not your kitchen boys you lazy shit
fight for your liberation yourself
the gall on you, you will sit with funko pop in your ass, gulp starbucks and play video games while other people have to toil and present socialism on a silver platter for you
fuck you treatlerite scum

>>2667450
>There are plenty of metals for which China does not have sufficient domestic deposits to supply its industry.
The metals being discussed in these trade papers are not those metals.

>Food delivery and taxis isn't exactly the most useful area of automation.
This is short-sighted. The real-world mobility problem is *the* present holy grail of robotics. Real-world mobility with the potential to adapt to any environment and sense and target things in the environment immediately is how you become capable of automating things like warehouses, farms, businesses, homes, construction, mining, and anything that specifically isn't an assembly line. Solving this problem is actually the single *largest* leap towards total automation. Elon Musk isn't wrong at all in saying that if he solves real-world mobility with Tesla, he can plug it into Optimus and start making personal robots. He isn't going to be the one to do it, though, because his approach to the solution is a terrible one. If you're a big believer in automation being the future of socialism, I would suggest looking into this topic further to really get a handle on the current state of robotics development and what's still needed to automate humanity's drudgery.


>But prosperous automated socialism in one country is already a bigger step than what has happened so far, which is prosperous socialism nowhere.
Perhaps, but this is a thread about China ushering in *global* socialism. I do not think this js something that they're interested in doing. I'm actually not even certain that they're all that interested in internal socialism either, considering their social classes are quite stratified.

>having a socialist society where truly nobody is poor will deal a massive ideological blow to the global conception of "socialism is when tyranny" or "socialism is when everybody starves equally"
I don't disagree, but again, I don't see any evidence that they're open to moving in this direction. I also think that excusing exploitative global resource extraction because it's going to a socialist state is probably not the best line of thought, especially if the countries doing the extracting don't really see much of a difference selling to China over Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

They don't even have socialism in China, you want them to export it?!

socialism is when dirigsme

>>2660051
None of this understands the fundamental town-country contradiction underlying imperialism. With the development of communications and remote work you can hire an engineer in the imperial periphery for a fraction of the cost. The centralization of mental labor in the town and physical labor in the country is increasingly obsolete. Consequently, China simply cannot centralize mental labor and rely on physical labor abroad. I am unsure how imperialism will evolve as the town-country contradiction sharpens to increasing absurdity in the age of remote work.

>>2666088
>Reddit is shit I know. But I'm not gonna build an entire platform just to experiment. If the model proves it has some viability then sure, collaborative labour without market relations would be a perfect project to build.

https://join-lemmy.org/
https://lemmy.ml/

You might not need to do that.
Going on lemmy might attract more serious people.

I dont think this is gonna work
Social media is literally designed as a market, maybe if it were its own site id think its otherwise but its a subreddit

>>2666366
I'll check it out, thanks.
>>2666369
Social media is a tool, that has been in many cases captured by the market. No different than the printing press was captured by religious institutions.

It's a subreddit right now, the idea is to test the viability of coordinated non market production, using social media as a facilitator.
If it it proves viable, a standalone non corporate platform would be an obvious project to collaborate and build.

>>2666071
Anon let me help you with one issue you have:
"social production" means production that is done not for individual use but for use by members of society as a whole, such as commodity production
"individual production" is when you cook a meal for your family. It's production for the producer, not for wider society

Feudalism engaged heavily in individual production. Capitalism turns production into social production by alienating us from the means of laboring for ourselves and compelling us to labor in a system of commodity production. If your goal is not co-ops, and isn't expropriating existing productive forces, then it seems like you want people to engage in individual production. People already do this, but the reason it's not dominant anymore is because we don't all live on self-sustaining homesteads. We work jobs and that takes the majority of our time and energy. If the goal is socialized production, then I ask why anyone would want to do this for free, outside of their hobbies and charitable work, which I assume they're already pursuing if interested and don't need to be convinced to pursue.

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Damn, I made a post but it is lost. Something to do with all the moderators of the board are useless loser faggots. Anyways. Martin Luther based protestantism off of Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity. Go look it up. Fuck the mods.

>>2667436
>we achieved lower stage socialism but still need 10000 years of commodity production to reach communism
Okay? Literally unrelated to how Stalin falsified dotp to make it lower stage

>>2667438
>Muh semantics
Ok don't listen to me then. Keep being confused

Did 'strengthening proletarian ties' include, forcing united fronts on international parties, allying with nazis, allying with western colonialists, abolishing the Comintern to appease said colonialists, establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, etc?

>>2667440
>semantics
Nice cope pseudo. If only this distinction wasn't the whole reason Marx broke with the left and the Comintern was later established

>>2667443
You asked me a question, I answered it, then you just restate the question differently. The only pseud here is you, Marx didn't break with the left over the distinction between socialism as the mop and socialism as the state ideology of a post revolutionary dotp. He broke with various groups for various different reasons, disagreement over utopianism, reformism, idealism, etc. The comintern was established to further the goals of international revolution and again, break from reformists and their ilk. None of that has anything to do with your confusion regarding mop and post rev dotp both being called "socialism"

>>2666225
"Imperial core" is marxist analysis tho

>>2665334
>epistemology
erm chuddy thats philosophy and marx was very critical of it so that means communists should never engage in that stuff o algo

>>2666241
Proof?

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>>2665454
I think it's wrong to consider identity oppressions "non-class based", because if you're rich enough you can avoid them. A proletarian woman is expected to have a job, raise a kid, feed her family, and do a majority of the housework. A bourgeois woman can simply hire a maid, doordash every meal, and have a lucrative career or not depending on her whims. A black man from a poor area will be profiled as "gang-affiliated" just based on family and neighborhood ties, railroaded into jail, and once out may have work requirements that force him to take the first job available and not leave when working conditions are bad, pay is low, wages are stolen, etc., might not be able to vote, might have debt to the prison that compounds interest and for which the state garnishes wages, etc. A bourgeois black man avoids all of this, and his worst oppression is that the guys at the country club make offensive jokes.

Within the proletariat there are strata, and these are influenced heavily by identities like race, sex, and nationality, among others. If we attack and alleviate certain policies that keep some proletarians down based on one of these identities, we are attacking the exploitation of the working class. Just like if we form a union and strike for better conditions. It doesn't raise up all the working class at once, but it does alleviate some of the oppression bit by bit. It also equalizes things within the working class, making it easier for us to unite. Right now it's hard for a white person, without intentionally educating themselves on these systems, to understand and feel solidarity with the level of oppression that non-whites face. It's difficult for men to unite with women when women's extra labor allows their comfort. So both in the communist spirit of serving the most exploited and oppressed, and out of practical necessity, the systems and cultural norms that enforce these divides within the working class need to be attacked by communists. The division of the working class into strata, some higher and some lower, makes traitors of those in higher strata, or at best makes them comfortable and slow to act in solidarity with the more oppressed strata. This is just the reality. White men tend to be more conservative, and black womPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2665011
Make demands so extreme that the Democrats don't want to deal with you anymore.

>>2667382
Mods aren’t automatically right just because they say so, are CEOs and cops proletarian?

>>2667382
this retarded rule is just an overcorrection from when hazoids were spamming this hole and those larpers havent been relevant for months now

>>2667385
amerilards still doing the "we are the 99%!" bullshit in 20 fucking 26 apparently lmao

>>2667385
CEOs is a job not a class. COP is a job not a class.

>>2660559
People over-focus on unions as the one true mass organization. Unions are important but mass organizations in other areas have their place. IMO mass organizations must target capital or the state which protects capital. Cop-watching seems like a good place to start with mass organizations. Organize around capital and the military weapons of counter-insurgency. So the political, economic, security and information functions of control. Civic action is a military weapon of counter-insurgency and the same applies to homeless shelters and similar organizations. Some bullshit like that. IDK I'm mostly an armchair socialist I guess.

>>2658722
lol

>>2666936
<Counterinsurgency (COIN) is the blend of comprehensive civilian and military efforts designed to simultaneously contain insurgency and address its root causes. Unlike conventional warfare, non-military means are often the most effective elements, with military forces playing an enabling role. COIN is an extremely complex undertaking, which demands of policy makers a detailed understanding of their own specialist field, but also a broad knowledge of a wide variety of related disciplines. COIN approaches must be adaptable and agile. Strategies will usually be focused primarily on the population rather than the enemy and will seek to reinforce the legitimacy of the affected government while reducing insurgent influence. This can often only be achieved in concert with political reform to improve the quality of governance and address underlying grievances, many of which may be legitimate. Since U.S. COIN campaigns will normally involve engagement in support of a foreign government (either independently or as part of a coalition), success will often depend on the willingness of that government to undertake the necessary political changes. However great its know-how and enthusiasm, an outside actor can never fully compensate for lack of will, incapacity or counter-productive behavior on the part of the supported government.
I think they already ditched this approach because they understand it is pointless to try to address the root causes, so modern american counter insurgency uses the "enemy-centric" (as defined in that text) approach instead. but even in this old, liberal text you can see some hints of what I understand is the modern american strategy. for example, it says that insurgencies are more dynamic and often use guerrilla tactics to counteract the stronger but more static conventional armies. it follows then, although the text doesn't mention it, that the way to militarily defeat an insurgency is to organize a force that is even more dynamic and unconventional than the insurgency it is fighting, in other words, death squads

>>2666936
Thanks, I'd started reading this already and it's good stuff.

Also I agree, we need to be flexible with the forms that our mass organizations take. This flexibility rests on understanding their real purpose.

The section in the attached pdf on a speech by Chinese comrades is really enlightening on the full spectrum of mass organizations that existed, and how they utilized them. Of course their situation was different because they had an army on the way, so they chose to cycle between escalation and de-escalation of their organizing, which any other context won't have the privilege to do.

Also we need to build tunnels asap

>>2666951
FDR's new deal was peak counter-insurgency, but failing the political initiative/willingness of capital to go to those lengths, genocide is their real answer. When the population is united behind guerrillas all they can do is wipe out the population. If they tried this on their own soil it would be suicidal.

Also I agree that their tactic is to use the tactics of insurgency against insurgency. We need to take the concept of workplace mapping to the geographic level and engage in social mapping so that we can identify, unite, and protect all advanced elements, efficiently reach out to intermediate elements, and be ready to violently suppress any terrorism by the backwards. Revolutionary organizers are at the ground level, giving us the capability to engage in much more granular surveillance and immediate reprisal than the bourgeois forces. Their surveillance relies mostly on our voluntarily opting in to their media and entertainment software, which can be combated by creating our own alternatives in socialist media and recreation clubs where face to face socializing replaces bourgeois social media.

Interesting book by Tanja Nijmeijer, a Dutch woman who fought with the FARC and rose to a senior position, translated into English.
Also lol at the NSN getting disbanded, but this new hate crime legislation is gonna be used by the Israeli lobby to shut down Marxist/antiIsrael protest groups.

Have some redditshit because it's a slow few days.

/r/AustralianSocialism/comments/1qg5huk/eureka_initiative_volunteers_assisting_the_cudl/
>we're out in public helping people, but uhhh don't look at our faces!
>white people with a eureka flag and no additional context
>cucumber and cheese sandwich
oh shit uygha what are you doing

>Eureka Initiative
See >>2578434 for a QRD. It's strongly linked to red-brown griftshit including the American Communist Party.
As you can see, a couple of people mention this in the comments and are blatantly brigaded by the Eureka Initiative redditors.

breaking live update shock huge news: a few neonazis are grounded, not allowed to go to sydney CBD for a day.

Judging by Facebook event responses (obviously an outstanding, excellent, hyper-accurate source), the nationalist MFA protests will be about half the size as last time, with Gold Coast being the largest.
Facebook responses suggest that Invasion Day protests will swamp them.
Caveat - only fools use Facebook

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