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Communism is neither related to "Leftism" nor "Socialism", in fact these reformist movements are antithetical to Communism.

Before some illiterate dumbass takes this as lazy "sectarianism", this was the key issue the Communist International meant to settle. In fact the entire Comintern was born out of the contradiction between the revolutionary content of Marxism and reformist nature of leftism, the murder of German communists at the hands of their left-socialist "comrades" cemented this seemingly forever (clearly not)

>In this connection all those parties that wish to belong to the Communist International must change their names. Every party that wishes to belong to the Communist International must bear the name Communist Party of this or that country (Section of the Communist International). The question of the name is not formal, but a highly political question of great importance. The Communist International has declared war on the whole bourgeois world and on all yellow social-democratic parties. The difference between the communist parties and the old official 'social-democratic' or 'socialist' parties that have betrayed the banner of the working class must be clear to every simple toiler.

<Twenty-one Conditions, Comintern 1919

Going further back to Marx, this distinction was evident (hence the "communist" manifesto)

>in 1847, socialism was a middle-class movement, communism a working-class movement. Socialism was, on the Continent at least, “respectable”; communism was the very opposite. And as our notion, from the very beginning, was that “the emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself,” there could be no doubt as to which of the two names we must take. Moreover, we have, ever since, been far from repudiating it.

<Preface to the 1872 German Edition

>But why were the terms later used exchangeably by the early days of Lenin?

Simply, they were not. By "social democrats" Lenin was strictly referring to the membership of the SPD and its analogous party in Russia who upheld the doctrine of Marx at the time until the German SPD broke away from it.

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>>2660724
Jesus, you are a fucking retard. The quality of posts has gone downhill dramatically.

>>2660740
>no argument

>>2660748
not him but you said the two most developed countries on earth are semi feudal. not every retarded statement made by an idiot is worthy of an "argument". you deserve to be told to fuck off. if this were a face to face confrontation, simply knocking your teeth out would be a more likely result.

>>2660738
There was a time a lot of anons actually read this marks guy

>>2660772
You have to go back to Reddit



 

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>>2660048
>stealing guns from feds is bad now

>>2660899
truth nuke
>>2660915
false flag

>>2660045
To be hateful against imperialists is appropriately anti-imperialist thobeit

>>2660603
because, in the final analysis, the bourgeoisie are internationalists when the proles fail to be.

>>2660603
>he wont "own" it but that was never important in the first place, it was pure spectacle. The important thing is the US basically now can put anything military there including missiles and there wont be any protests from anyone because they are afraid of like 10% tariffs kek.
They could already do this. Nothing has changed.



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Spanish train drivers call three-day strike after deadly railway crashes
The death toll from Sunday’s collision between two trains near the Andalucían town of Adamuz rose from 43 to 45 on Thursday afternoon after two more bodies were recovered from the crash site. On Tuesday, a driver was killed and 37 people injured when a train was derailed by the collapse of a retaining wall near Gelida in Catalonia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/22/spain-train-drivers-three-day-strike-railway-crashes

Von der Leyen wins no-confidence vote in European Parliament
A large majority of members of the European Parliament backed the center-right European Commission president in a confidence motion brought by the far-right Patriots for Europe group. Of the 720 EU lawmakers, 565 showed up to vote. Only 165 backed toppling the Commission, with 390 voting against and 10 abstaining. Von der Leyen was not in Strasbourg for the vote.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-wins-no-confidence-vote-european-parliament/
https://archive.ph/VxFev

Burnham by-election prospect rattles Labour
The crisis erupted after it became known that Andrew Gwynne, MP for Gorton and Denton in Manchester, was preparing to resign, triggering a by-election. Mr Gwynne has been suspended from Labour for a year after offensive WhatsApp messages emerged. It is understood he has reached agreement with Commons authorities to retire on grounds of ill health. Downing Street will likely mobilise to block any candidacy by Mr Burnham, who has made little secret of his ambitions and has kept up a running commentary on the government’s shortcomings in recent months.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/burnham-election-prospect-rattles-labour

Trump seeking ‘regime change’ in Cuba by end of the year: US media report
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ICE memo allows agents to enter homes without judicial warrant: Whistleblower complaint
"Although the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has not historically relied on administrative warrants alone to arrest aliens subject to final orders of removal in their place of residence, the DHS Office of General Counsel has recently determined that the U.S. Constitution, the Immigration and Nationality Act, and the immigration regulations do not prohibit relying on administrative warrants for this purpose," the May 12, 2025, memo signed by Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons stated, according to the anonymous whistleblower complaint, which included a copy of the memo.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/ice-memo-allows-agents-enter-homes-judicial-warrant/story?id=129436766

House approves homeland security bill despite Democrats’ opposition over ICE
The 220-207 vote, with seven Democrats joining nearly all Republicans, came amid mounting outrage over its heavy-handed and violent tactics in Minnesota and elsewhere. Democrats’ opposition to the DHS funding measure had grown in recent weeks since an Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE) agent shot and killed Renee Good, a 37-year-old US citizen, in Minneapolis earlier this month.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/democrats-ice-funding-bill

Anti-ICE protest at Minnesota church leads to arrests but no charges for journalist Don Lemon
A prominent civil rights attorney and at least two other people involved in an anti-immigration enforcement protest that disrupted a service at a Minnesota church have been arrested, Trump administration officials said Thursday, even as a judge rebuffed related charges against journalist Don Lemon.
https://apnews.com/article/justice-department-minnesota-church-disruption-bondi-ed084f5005187f58eabe0cc627d1862b

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Is China still winning with their "Do Nothing" strategy? Short term/recently I think no, long term it might still work.

PCV demands answers from the government over the presence of the CIA chief in Venezuela
The Communist Party of Venezuela (PCV) demanded that the government leadership provide clear and transparent explanations regarding the presence in the country of the Director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), John Ratcliffe, whom it described as “a nefarious figure for the peoples of the world,” and whose visit — the Party denounced — has not been officially communicated to the Venezuelan people. This was stated by Oscar Figuera, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the PCV, when presenting the conclusions of the 19th Plenum of the Central Committee, which met last Saturday, 17 January, to assess the country’s economic, political, and social situation — a situation marked, he said, by the recent U.S. military aggression and the establishment of direct tutelage over the Venezuelan state. “The presence of the highest representative of the CIA in Venezuela is evidence of the changes taking place to guarantee the interests of big capital and U.S. imperialism,” Figuera stated. He added that Ratcliffe is an official who, according to information reported in the media, “is closely linked to the military operation of 3 January, to the aggression against our country, and to the killing of a significant number of Venezuelan and Cuban military personnel.”
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/01/pcv-demands-answers-from-government-over-the-presence-of-cia-chief-in-venezuela.html

This Billionaire Landlord Bullied Journalists Into Deleting Negative Coverage of Him
A billionaire landlord bullied an outlet into deleting unflattering coverage of him and unsuccessfully pressured several others, including Novara Media. Sunday Times rich-listed John Christodoulou, who is British-Cypriot but resides in the tax haven of Monaco, and is worth a reported £2.6bn, falsely told LandlordZone he had repaid the £263,555.69 he owed tenants of two Hackney properties. Christodoulou wrote to the industry publication, which had 605,000 unique visitors in the year to April 2024, asserting that the 16 court-mandated repayment orders had been settled since LandlordZone published its article about them in April. “Given that the article cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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The 2010s marked the effective end of most remaining communist insurgencies. Although many had been in decline for years, it was during that decade that they finally collapsed. The Naxal movement, communist insurgencies in Africa and Southeast Asia, and the last remnants of the IRA either fizzled out or ended with arrests after failed attacks and raids. In 2023, the Zapatistas dissolved their Autonomous Municipalities. The conflicts that leftist magazines and academics once wrote papers about and sometimes even traveled to for the occasional photoshoot are now over, so what is to done?
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one less holdout

The bourgeoise got their eternal reich a few decades ago, they're just cleaning house and tidying it up a bit for what's to come.

The biggest impact of CPP is that libbed pinoy offshore devs don't like using it as a suffix for their code files lel.

>>2615511
>>2615520
Being confidently wrong seems to be a favorite pastime on this board.

>>2658206
Name me one current “Maoist” movement that has caused significant damage to the state.



 

Thoughts?
They seem more cohesive and better trained than Paul Birdsong's Black Panther revival in Phillie

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>>2659897
>pretending to be communist because they think itll advance their ethnic groups position.
Well communism will advance the position of blacks but it will also do the same for whites, asians and everyone else though thats not something they really care about.

>>2659838
>African-americans dont
Yeah ok hitler

they seem like naggers

>>2659754
>Racial supremacy is good when black people do it
Explain why.

>>2660273
Because sometimes they make good music



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>>2659654
>time for deflection
You're damn right
>The source of the video is a Ukrainian telegram channel
>The post (https://t.me/exilenova_plus/15489) makes no mention of how the video was obtained or where this was and what specific bunker he'd be targeting, details Ukrainian telegram is usually all too eager to divulge in if it's proof of a Russian retreat where cameras and smartphones and shit get left behind
>The post just makes a point that this video should be shown around the world to "inform" them against volunteering in the Russian military, along with a Serious Sam reference
<Incidentally, the Ukrainian audience's top two reactions is 708 black moon face emoji and 542 laughing emojis
>As Ushanka points out, speaking Russian is not proof the soldier is Russian
>Russia doesn't need to conduct suicide bombings against bunkers, that's what FABs are for
>Charging at a bunker is a really bad way of reaching said bunker and there's no guarantees the African volunteer would actually run towards certain death over potential escape
>Posted 9th of January and this is seemingly still the sole article of proof that Russia is forcing African volunteers to be suicide bombers, quite a rare circumstance given how hard Ukrainians try to record everything

My guess, the video is ackshually Ukrainian with a captured PoW, eagerly shared for the aforementioned reason of discouraging the world from volunteering in the Russian military, but also because the video was going to be shared to its apparently thrilled Ukrainian audience anyway and it's best that Julian Ropcke is given a narrative he can report on and then has already dropped when/if the actual circumstances behind the video are revealed.

>>2659757
>if you don't support based Putin you're a lib
I absolutely dare you to justify how Putin's Russia is, in any way, defensible from a left wing perspective. I mean at this point, the population is utterly subjugated and blind to their class interests, totally consumed by either indifference, ignorance, or indulgent in state-enforced imperialism.

>>2659769
Oh, also 9th January is the day after the Oreshnik strike, so a story of betrayal and cruelty by Russian troops would be helpful.

>Venezuela’s Delcy Rodríguez assured US of cooperation before Maduro’s capture

>Exclusive: sources say powerful figures in the regime secretly told US and Qatari officials they would welcome Maduro’s departure


Before the US military snatched Venezuela’s president, Nicolás Maduro, earlier this month, Delcy Rodríguez and her powerful brother pledged to cooperate with the Trump administration once the strongman was gone, four sources involved at high levels with the discussions told the Guardian.

Rodríguez, who was sworn in on 5 January as acting president to replace Maduro, and her brother Jorge, the head of the national assembly, secretly assured US and Qatari officials through intermediaries ahead of time that they would welcome Maduro’s departure, according to the sources.

The communications between US officials from Delcy Rodríguez, who was then Maduro’s vice-president, began in the fall and continued after Trump and Maduro spoke in a crucial phone call in late November, the Guardian has learned, in which Trump insisted that Maduro leave Venezuela. Maduro rejected the demand.

By December, one American who was involved told the Guardian that Delcy Rodríguez told the US government she was ready: “Delcy was communicating ‘Maduro needs to go.’

“She said, ‘I’ll work with whatever is the aftermath,’” another person familiar with the messages said.

The sources say Marco Rubio, Trump’s secretary of state and national security adviser, at first a skeptic about working with regime elements, came to believe that Delcy Rodríguez’s promises were the best way to prevent chaos once Maduro was gone.
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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>"I'll take a Double Triple No-Bossy Deluxe on a Hammer, 19x17 Mao style, extra sickles with a wheat laurel and a fist, light tank tread grease; make it sing the internationale, raise it high, and let it wave."


🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

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>>2659787
it's ting tang

>>2659796
I mean sure, but nothing of particular note, except Peru I guess. But having them actually come in shooting is still a totally different level of severity.

>>2659801
i have responded in the new thread

>>2659659
Rich man, while I pour tonnes of shit on yanks, I never asked anyone to kill themselves. A revolutionary bombing of wall street is what I advocate for. The best of course is the bombing of a nuclear power plant.

>>2659651
>In order to believe that Europe wants to remain in the US orbit we have to believe both that they will do so despite the Americans not holding up their end of the bargain,
yes, because the euro elites have no interests in ending the bargain even if US doesnt fulfill its part anymore, because they have become identical to the US elites and take their money from the same capital rent, not a separated euro one

>and that both the rhetoric and practical moves to distance themselves from the US are of no significance

I do believe that. But we will see, hopefully you're right and they actually do practical moves, but I'm betting they wont and we will need a major political earthquake for it to happen (no greenland isnt it)



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Ecuador to impose 30% tariff on Colombian goods from February
Colombian Energy Minister Edwin Palma blasted the tariffs as "economic aggression" in a social media post, saying he had ordered the dismantling of a recent initiative to allow private firms to take part in energy sales between both countries to limit potential scarcity. "Colombia has acted with facts, cooperation, and solidarity," he said, noting Colombia provides 8% to 10% of Ecuador's power consumption. "That is why dialogue between nations is essential, not unilateral measures that only harm our peoples," he added.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ecuador-impose-30-tariff-colombian-goods-february-2026-01-21/

Venezuelan Banks Receive 300M from US-Administered Crude Sales, Gov’t Officials Defend Oil Reform
According to Ecoanalítica, Banesco, BBVA Provincial, Banco Mercantil, and Banco Nacional de Crédito offered a combined $150 million to customers on Tuesday via foreign exchange auctions, with the rest of the funds expected to be made available by the end of the week. Unofficial reports suggested that private sector importers in the food and healthcare sectors would be given priority. Analyst Alejandro Grisanti stated that the dollars were purchased slightly below 400 bolívars (BsD) per USD. Unlike in prior exchange tables, the banks were not obliged to use the official exchange rate set by the Central Bank, which stands currently at 347 BsD per USD.
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuelan-banks-receive-300m-from-us-administered-crude-sales-govt-officials-defend-oil-reform/

Chile’s president-elect names staunch abortion opponent as gender equality minister
She is an evangelical former student church group president who belonged to the Eagles of Jesus, a far-right Christian group which recruits at universities around the country. Marín has publicly questioned the future of the ministry she will now lead, and defended the “natural family” – the idea that a man and woman head a household – as a central tenet of society.
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Unions and students seek Columbia University board reforms after Trump deal
The decision comes after more than two years of what they say is disenfranchisement over the way Columbia's board of trustees has handled several issues, including permitting the police to target the student body multiple times while they were protesting against Israel’s war on Gaza and capitulating to the Trump administration’s demands over alleged violations of federal anti-discrimination laws.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/union-students-seek-reform-columbia-university-board-trump-deal

House Republicans vote to lift 20-year ban on mining near pristine Boundary Waters Canoe Area
Congressional Republicans moved closer Wednesday to lifting a 20-year ban on mining near Minnesota’s Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, pushing a resolution to end the moratorium through the House despite environmentalists’ warnings that it could devastate a premier destination for campers, kayakers and canoeists. The resolution now goes to the Senate, and approval there would send it to President Donald Trump for his signature.
https://apnews.com/article/boundary-waters-mining-moratorium-congress-f30b8dc9575e64b4b9e957b86409577d

‘They’re Getting Nervous,’ Says Platner After GOP Drops $42 Million on Maine’s Susan Collins
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) boasted that the $42 million investment, most of which will go to an advertising blitz to help the vulnerable five-term senator cling to her seat in November, was the largest the GOP’s Senate Leadership Fund had ever spent in Maine.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/collins-gop-spending-platner-nervous

Prosecutors barred from reviewing material seized from Washington Post reporter
Natanson, who has closely reported on the ways the Trump administration has reshaped the federal government, had two laptops, two phones, a Garmin watch and other devices seized last week as Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybna

Communist Party of the Philippines: Corruption, injustice, abuses drive Filipino youth to revolution
Over the past week or two, the US-Marcos regime has mounted a frenzied media and social media campaign to intimidate and threaten the Filipino youth, who, more and more are growing disenchanted amid deep and widespread social ills, and are being drawn to question the rotten ruling system and seek radical and revolutionary ways to end corruption, injustice and abuses by those in power. This campaign to intimidate and threaten the Filipino youth is part of Marcos’ arsenal of fascist tactics to maintain his grip on power and preserve the ruling system, by suppressing the youth’s and people’s aspirations for change. This blatant assault against the youth is spearheaded by the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the NTF-Elcac, and their mercenary hacks behind the Marcos government’s propaganda machinery. They have mobilized funds to activate and coordinate their social media troll army to drown out posts critical of the Marcos government in a deluge of spam comments, and throw their weight around to push their narrative in the press and public discourse. The Marcos psyops campaign heightened after a student researcher from the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, 22-year old Jerlyn Rose Doydora, died on January 1 in Abra de Ilog, Mindoro Occidental, amid relentless aerial bombing and strafing by the AFP, following an armed encounter. Another youth, 24-year old Chantal Anicoche, was taken into custody by the fascist soldiers, and illegally detained for a week, before being surfaced amid public outcry. Three Mangyan children were reportedly killed in the aerial bombing which was carried out in the proximity of mountain communities.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/corruption-injustice-abuses-drive-filipino-youth-to-revolution/

The Imperialist Attack on Venezuela, the Crisis of Chavismo, and the Prospect of a Continental Anti-imperialist Struggle
We denounce those who celebrated Trump’s attack, seeing it as a liberation. Regrettably, many Venezuelan migrants believe Trump will liberate us. That is why we are on the front line of the anti-imperialist struggle against the neocolonial offensive, and we call for mobilization toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Rosa Luxembourg is the most overrated over-glazed communist of all time. In every dispute/difference she had with Lenin, history demonstrated her wrong. Theoretical or practical, nothing of value. It makes me wonder how such a naive person could become one of the Leaders of the German Communists.
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>>2655382
>"Capitalism" without the bourgeoisie around isn't capitalism anymore. Once workers own the MoP it's the beginnings of transition to socialism aka lower stage communism. What you are describing is the higher phase of communism.

Marx and Lenin both explicitly say so but people on here get mad when you point this out LOL. If they don't like it they should just abandon Marxism Leninism and come up with their own ideology founded on different principles: >>2658249


>>2658282
1. they do address your "points" no matter how much you insist they don't
2. with the exception of Trotsky, nobody I quoted is a revisionist, modernizer, or falsifier. and the quote I dropped from Trotsky is still correct anyway despite his problems. Same with Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Deng Xiaoping, or whoever else you may apply these labels to.
3. Deng was right and I will quote him because Deng was Marxist-Leninist.

>>2655102
>reddit soycialist soyfacing over rosa on tge heckibg evil poland even though she was just using it as an example and was against all national liberation
>ignoring what she wrote about ukraine when she pointed them out as a fake country with no history that should never exist

>>2652779
Jewish privilege

>>2655351
>>The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as “an immense accumulation of commodities,” its unit being a single commodity.
from this it doesnt follow that any society where there is commodity production for exchange value is capitalist
you should read a logic introduction before getting into more complex works like capital

>>2655102
why would a jew want an independent poland? her people benefited from being a proxy between an occupying force and the natives



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It seems socialism has another major vulnerability and that is that Marx‘s method of analysis, dialectical materialism, can not predict the emergence of classes for a radically new system. It can seemingly only identify a class a posteriori, but by then it‘s already too late. What‘s the point of overcoming the near insurmountable challenge of overcoming capitalism just to end up with another system with classes, which implies another revolution would be necessary to overcome that one in return? Think the Soviet Union and its bureaucracy. It will be challenging to radically overcome it as well.

What‘s the solution for that? This either means we have to content with the fact that achieving communism has an even lower success rate than what you would make out from how hard it is to overcome capitalism, because an unknown amount of new class based systems are ahead of us that will each require another revolution, or Marxian analysis will be sufficiently expanded upon to be able to predict the emergence of new classes a priori for a system yet to be implemented. Perhaps anarcho-communists are right and you need to strip the state and hierarchy straight away.

Which one is it?
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>>2655882
>the issue is that marxists dont into political science properly, so define class and the state incorrectly. all societies are class societies by virtue of status, which orders people differently. status can be defined by any metric, but there is always inclusion and exclusion.
>>2655891
>Marxists have defined both properly, it‘s just that you are a midwit who thinks arbitrary value systems constitute a class. It‘s about societal systems and relations that are consequential, i.e. who owns the means of production under capitalism and who does not.
Why do Marxists act like only capitalism has classes, didn't feudalism have classes as well?

>>2657876
>Why do Marxists act like only capitalism has classes, didn't feudalism have classes as well?
Is this a serious question? Let's read the opening words of Chapter 1 of The Communist Manifesto (1848)


<The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.


<Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.


Right there, in the opening sentences, is the acknowledgement that class struggle predates capitalism, and that different forms of class antagonisms have existed throughout history, alongside different modes of production.

>>2656548
The comparison between Tang era China and the USSR is so blatant. The system of Nomenklatura is basically the 1:1 "merits" system of the Tang era with all it's flaws.
USSR fell for the same reason Tang did as well largely. Corruption and Stagnation.
>>2655976
"Soviet bureaucrats owned nothing"
Technically but not the reality. Basically the way you did anything in the USSR was through bribes. This is why the Red Directors all had mansion dachas and several cars.
Watch the Soviet movie Beware of the Car which is about the brazen corruption in day to day life.

>>2655128
>dialectical materialism can not predict the emergence of classes for a radically new system
Dialectical materialism isn't a determinist predictive science. It's only a tool that explains how individuals come to change their environment.

>a posteriori

Yes. This is what it seeks to do.

>What‘s the solution for that?

Have democracy ?

>because an unknown amount of new class based systems are ahead of us that will each require another revolution

What do you think would've happened if, say, Trotsky had been in power and had allowed for the soviets to retake their original power ? Why do you think socialism must necesarrily have an upper class ?

>Marxian analysis will be sufficiently expanded upon to be able to predict the emergence of new classes a priori

I don't think you actually understand dialectical materialism. This method doesn't aim at predicting things a priori of their arrival, it aims at analyzing contemporary and past societies through the lens of materialism (so no external forces) whilst retaining a part of individual agency (individuals can reshape their environment).
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>>2658175
>Trotsky had been in power and had allowed for the soviets to retake their original power
Trotsky had no desire to do this lol and it was Lenin who emasculated the soviets anyway, not Stalin.



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