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Why can't we have a world where people with differing ideologies can just agree to live separately and not fuck with eachother? Why does everyone feel the need to "save", "liberate" or "civilize" other nations?

I'm not even picking on anyone in particular here, although there are obviously certain nations that are better than others in this regard (the difference between the US and China comes to mind), but overall it seems like every ideology's implicit end goal is to cover the whole earth. Why is that? I would say it's a result of material conditions blah blah blah, but it seems to go back to the dawn of civilization itself, which confuses me.
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>>2262232
>Why would they have killed Mao?
if your goal is to renew society, your prime target ought to be its oldest members.
>The bureucracy isn't a state. This is just like transportation and logistics stuff that needs to exist.
you never mention legislation here, why? where are the courthouses? where are the police and military?

>>2262246
What do you mean target its oldest members? Why? You target people based on class and class affiliation alone.

There would not be a police or military in communism. That is the point of what I'm trying to say. If a police force and judiciary did exist, it would be completely diffirent from what we know today, because the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.

>>2262251
>What do you mean target its oldest members?
the cultural revolution was lead by the youth to dismantle reactionary upstarts in china. yet, if unconditional progress is the call, then why do its oldest members preserve themselves? its because mao was largely purging competition from within the party itself to protect his interests. progress then, is not unconditional, but conditioned by existing power.
>There would not be a police or military in communism
why not?
>the police is a tool of class oppression like everything else.
the state also mediates civil society to preserve order. its "law *and* order" for that purpose.

>>2262258
You are just repeating ignorant statements.

>>2262429
i am just realistic, not utopian



 

<Silly hats edition

>Following a deadly terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Kashmir, that resulted in 26 fatalities, India has retaliated with 'Operation Sindoor', targeting nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied territories. This operation marks a significant escalation in the ongoing tensions between the two nations. Pakistan, in response, has heightened its emergency measures and reported shooting down two Indian jets, intensifying the military confrontation. International reactions and calls for peace are noted, amidst growing concerns over regional stability.
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>>2262227
if anything, India would be struck from Afghanistan. What is the Pakis smoking?
>>2262239
you will be surprised to know that such a view is not different in Pakistan.
>>2262198
I didn't. I was full aware when in 2014 Putin said that if he would wanted, in one week he would be in Warsaw.
There are the "🙂‍↔️ geopolitical analysis" base, and the 🙂‍↕️geopolitical analysis", and yes, I was in the first general Ukraine crisis, created during the previous months to the invasion.

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>>2261315
No, the people with the most revolutionary potential atm are Muslims, especially the oppressed of Palestine, Yemen and Kashmir

All the U.S. news push notification I have gotten about this have been straight up Indian propaganda.

>>2262269
We’ve got to like analyze the brain damage that causes people to post shit like this. I always think about people who just had their family exploded into bits having regarded posters posting a mass shooter chudjack and smugly saying nothing happens. What demented view of history do they have? Politics? Humanity?



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Imagine a big lemonade stand economy. 🍋

Capitalists (the lemonade stand owners) make lemonade each year.

Workers help make the lemonade and get paid with money (wages) to buy snacks and toys (MOS).

How it works:

At the end of the year, the owners have lemonade (C') and money (M').

They use some money (M) to buy new supplies (MOP: lemons, sugar) and pay workers (LP) for next year.

Workers spend their wages on snacks and toys (MOS), which buys back some lemonade.

Owners also use leftover money (m) to buy fancy stuff for themselves (like a new bike 🚴).
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>>2262096
>snacks and toys

What? Id rather read capital than try to understand this shit. But i wont


>>2262110
Uyghur, i dont even understand commodity, fuck you bloody bastard benchod bloody



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Zionazism seems schizo at first glance but it is just the logical endpoint of White supremacism, Christian supremacism, and European settler-colonialism: Jews have been knighted as "honorary" whites, and have been enlisted as crusaders against Muslims by white European Christians. It is an alliance of the two older Abrahamic faiths against the new one, and an alliance of the "true whites" and the "off whites" against the browns.

How should the secular international Communist left combat these powerful spooks? Or should they simply ignore it and focus on building the labor movement?
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>>2261087
>swarthy
what does that mean?

>>2261313
Mediterranean

>>2261313
ctrl+T dictionary.com

>>2260858
not rare. multiple photos were shown during the first weeks of zios invading Gaza, where they were altogether with ukrainian nazis tattooed with sonnenrads.

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one of the side plots in Thomas Pynchon's Inherent Vice is that there's a Jewish crime lord named Mickey Wolffmann who uses neo nazis as body guards. The main character Doc Sportello is a stoner private investigator who learns about this through a member of the Black Guerrilla Family who just got out of jail. It's such an interesting sequence in the book because it takes place in LA in the late 60s, and Pynchon, who was probably a spook at some point in his life based on his well known real life paranoia, STEM background, proximity to the US security apparatus in the 1950s, and tendency to write about shit like Operation Paperclip a lot, made me think he based that character Wolfmann off of a real guy.



 

Is there a reason why Europe managed to conquer the world compared to every other continent? Other than the simple "Europeans are the superior species" reasoning?
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>>2230458
yeah this is the best answer. also very important to mention that europe was unable to conquer africa until the late 19th century even after it had been wracked and undermined by the slave trade (atlantic and arab) for centuries at that point. it was the plague-enabled conquest of the americas and the massive primitive accumulation that allowed for absurdly rapid industrialization snowball → european hegemony over the rest of the world

>>2236111
I do wonder why China never bothered conqurering south-east Asia back in the day, especially during their rule over Indochina.

Is there a reason BROVVN ROMVN MEN managed to conquer sissy ewropean cavebois? Other than their evident genetic superiority

>>2261794
People didn't care much for sea trade until the europeans did it.

Empires rose and fell throughout history all over the world in all class systems. Capitalism is what made Europe so dominant, because it allowed for harnessing technology as a massive force multiplier for producing things. Seafaring ha already been discussed but also importantly there was an existing study of metalworking (mainly due to warfare) and abundant sources of readily available fossil fuels (mainly coal). These factors in technology were major contributors to developing capitalism.



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this ends the argument that the american proletariat is an oppressed class that has any potential for class conciousness.
a million dollars from theater.
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>>2259901
>Psyop thread
I remember when threads like this would have been bumplocked and OP banned or at least warned. Now we have people unironically shilling J. Edgar Hoover Sakai. This place has basically become everything it stood against.

>>2252188
Why couldn't he just go back to his team's tent. I'm with Austin on this one. This is exactly the shit that is pulled on cops and then everyone complains about police brutality.
Maybe do what people ask of you?

>>2251573
don't care

>>2260422
leftypollers are braindead
framing the metcalf stabbing as 'self defence'
imagine if the ethnicities were reversed and a white dude stabbed a black dude just because he was told to move

>>2251665
Black Americans are literally the most religious, homophobic and misogynistic demographic in America. Is that not reactionary? Do you think the average Russian worker or especially peasant in 1906 didn't hold all kinds of reactionary views?



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If you are in an organization that claims to adhere to the proletarian movement how many of the elements in the title does your organization adhere to? Do you go out with shitty cardboard signs and hippie beanie clothes like losers? Are participants in your org willing to adopt a uniformed look or do they reject uniformity in favor of individual choices? Can you all form a line adhering to height? Can you march in unison? Can you sing in unison? Can you handle the logistics to obtain uniforms? Can you design banners, uniforms, flags and have them produced? Do you print reading material? Do you know how to behave when handing out printed material? Do you know how to behave in front of agitators? Do you know how to give interviews? Do you know how to recruit? And many other questions.
It appears that most organizations, especially leftoid orgs are completely disorganized and glorify piglike behavior expecting praise and new recruits without putting in the necessary effort to hold a structured organization.
They often blame the lack of finances, the lack of members and dismiss any notion of uniformity. And even when finances are not a problem, they may refuse out of individualism "I don't like wearing suits" and such other excuses which are more common within the declassed and more liberal structures. Of course there are outliers, there are declassed organizations with suits. What about yours though? Do you even have the will to implement these crucial elements in your organization or would you rather dismiss and criticize them as being stuck up?
I remind that the very same institutions and bourgeoisie NGOs that dominate the social order already see the necessity in these elements as far as to emphasize their importance in managerial courses, logically if you want to compete with them for attention from the broader "public" you need to 1UP them. If you don't like it then have fun playing play-pretend with your gay ass libtarded idpol friends and running a small business on a legalized squat or some shit. But if you agree on the necessity of these things, what have you done to try to implement them OR how have you managed to implement them in your org?
This is assuming you're not in an insurrectionary organization / party and care about public appearances.
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>>2261442
The liberal ones or the fascist ones?

>>2261445
What's the difference?

>>2261367
Yeah the Marines love that retarded shit. It apparently comes out of older-style Prussian methods and also British methods (specifically the Royal Marines) who the U.S. Marines wanting to emulate in the 1800s. BTW there's an essay by Engels called "The Armies of Europe" that talked about different armies in the 1850s (fascinating reading BTW) and he talked about British drill being notoriously harsh then, they were still practicing flogging while the Prussians had discarded it, but this practice which was aimed at creating discipline wrecked morale and contributed to the relatively high number of desertions of British troops during the Crimean War.

>There is one institution in the British army which is perfectly sufficient to characterize the class from which the British soldier is recruited. It is the punishment of flogging. Corporal punishment does not exist in the French, the Prussian, and several of the minor armies. Even in Austria, where the greater part of the recruits consist of semi-barbarians, there is an evident desire to do away with it, thus the punishment of running the gauntlet has recently been struck out from the Austrian military code. In England, on the contrary, the cat-o'-nine-tails is maintained in its full efficiency—an instrument of torture fully equal to the Russian knout in its most palmy time. Strange to say, whenever a reform of the military code has been mooted in Parliament, the old martinets have stuck up for the cat, and nobody more zealously than old Wellington himself. To them, an unflogged soldier was a monstrously misplaced being. Bravery, discipline, and invincibility, in their eyes, were the exclusive qualities of men bearing the scars of at least fifty lashes on their backs.


>The cat-o'-nine-tails, it must not be forgotten, is not only an instrument calculated to inflict pain; it leaves indelible scars, it marks a man for life, it brands him. Now, even in the British army, such corporal punishment, such branding, really amounts to an everlasting disgrace. The flogged man loses caste with his fellow soldiers. But, according to the British military code, punishment, before the enemy, consists almost exclusively in flogging; and thus, the very punishment which is said, by its advocates, to be the only means of keeping up discipline in cases
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>>2261208
besides the fact that individual signs are cringe, signs should always be big and made by the organization, not the individual members
besides that, larping is a waste of resources, specially uniforms and such because you are not actually rising up

>>2261409
Not sucking bourgeois cock every five seconds is LARP, how dare you try and build anything outside my domain plebian.



 

The way the reporters make the incident sound as if the father in this context just flat out overpowered the cop and his gun. Like, you cannot tell me that this guy somehow managed to not only win a fight but somehow get the strength to kill a dude with his bare fists and tank a bullet’s impact just off feelings of sheer concentrated unquestioned vengeance and hate. That sounds made up

>>2261570
Really just me? Am I the only one with the attention span recognizing how absurd this guy sounds

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>>2261571
Outside of that, today I learned apparently American laws on revenge killings are flaming hot garbage.



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As someone young (millennial) who only recently developed class consciousness and wants to do something (preferably libertarian flavor), where does the left stand?

I ask this because it feels like, even if we want to overthrow capitalism and create a new society, it’s too late and we here just to pick up the pieces of whatever is left. Often people say (even intellectuals) that unions or the labor movement has been destroyed. How exactly? What stops workers from coming together or why are unions so weak? Since we are new generations and the classical tradition has been lost or suppressed, what can we do? Is it objectively more difficult to organize or is it only lack of commitment? Something feels off. As if the entire movement is dead. Only little clusters here and there. Pic related.
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>>2258231
>Where does the current left stand?
Divided between Marxist-Leninist who care more about nationalism/fascism and Anarchist high on drugs who support NAFO. The situation couldnt be worse but there is room for new ideology and theory and thats exactly what the left needs right now. Some kind of synthesis between these two traditional groups would be perfect imo.

>>2260178
>lets replace it with another liberal hegemony
Nothing to do with socialism.

>>2259650
These are synonymous.

>>2258231
>How exactly? What stops workers from coming together or why are unions so weak?
fall of soviet union making people think socialism is done, globalization causing the fall of worker rights and the massive reduction of industrial proletariat in the west, automation and subcontracting reducing massive factories where lot of workers were together and tended to easily band together and join unions. Also unions have become simple managers of class contradiction of capitalism and their leadership are now class collaborators because they arent communist anymore and so either dont understand the forces at play, or straight up are conscious of their role to manage laborers discontent in the capitalist system

>what can we do

organize, agitate, wait for revolutionary opportunities, denounce opportunists, provide class analysis and alternative medias

>As if the entire movement is dead

its not dead, but it has been infected by liberalism and historical revisionism (soviet union bad) and as such completely defanged

>>2258231
Are you part of the new Anarcho-Communist Federation? I suggest you guys depart from the bourgeoisie spectrum of politics (left wing of capital vs right wing of capital) and identify with the declassed movement tending towards the proletariat. I recommend establishing contact the International of Anarchist Federations / IFA https://i-f-a.org/contact/



 

Hello, people, I'm creating this thread so a person more knowledgeable than me can help.

So, lately I found out about some group of people on the web that defend a kind of scientific racism, things like I.Q, race and the relation between genes and behavior. The more I read about it more became clear the dangerous implications of those "findings", but I'm not versed on biology or psychology to have a full nuanced picture. Anyway, anyone know great books that show "the other side of the picture" about the relation of genes, I.Q, behavior and race?
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lol what happened to the whole “even if the negros are dumber they STILL deserve a life free from the ills of capitalism” line? makes a lot more sense than just denying the facts outright, at least from the standpoint of a communist

>>2260574
its not worth arguing with a moron

bumperino

>>2260567
ive read, this fantastic book OP >>2260547, highly recommend

>>2260574
yeah those people arent worth arguing with, BUT it is still very helpful to understand these things so that you can actually have substantial counterarguments for them when they try to convince people who DONT know better

>>2260606
that is true. however it is also true that there is no evidence of being able to set a sensible and consisent standard for measuring intelligence, let alone measuring the intelligence of discrete groups sorted by phenotype and ancestry



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