/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2659787
it's ting tang

>>2659796
I mean sure, but nothing of particular note, except Peru I guess. But having them actually come in shooting is still a totally different level of severity.

>>2659801
i have responded in the new thread

>>2659659
Rich man, while I pour tonnes of shit on yanks, I never asked anyone to kill themselves. A revolutionary bombing of wall street is what I advocate for. The best of course is the bombing of a nuclear power plant.

>>2659651
>In order to believe that Europe wants to remain in the US orbit we have to believe both that they will do so despite the Americans not holding up their end of the bargain,
yes, because the euro elites have no interests in ending the bargain even if US doesnt fulfill its part anymore, because they have become identical to the US elites and take their money from the same capital rent, not a separated euro one

>and that both the rhetoric and practical moves to distance themselves from the US are of no significance
I do believe that. But we will see, hopefully you're right and they actually do practical moves, but I'm betting they wont and we will need a major political earthquake for it to happen (no greenland isnt it)

Unions and students seek Columbia University board reforms after Trump deal
The decision comes after more than two years of what they say is disenfranchisement over the way Columbia's board of trustees has handled several issues, including permitting the police to target the student body multiple times while they were protesting against Israel’s war on Gaza and capitulating to the Trump administration’s demands over alleged violations of federal anti-discrimination laws.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/union-students-seek-reform-columbia-university-board-trump-deal

House Republicans vote to lift 20-year ban on mining near pristine Boundary Waters Canoe Area
Congressional Republicans moved closer Wednesday to lifting a 20-year ban on mining near Minnesota’s Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, pushing a resolution to end the moratorium through the House despite environmentalists’ warnings that it could devastate a premier destination for campers, kayakers and canoeists. The resolution now goes to the Senate, and approval there would send it to President Donald Trump for his signature.
https://apnews.com/article/boundary-waters-mining-moratorium-congress-f30b8dc9575e64b4b9e957b86409577d

‘They’re Getting Nervous,’ Says Platner After GOP Drops $42 Million on Maine’s Susan Collins
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) boasted that the $42 million investment, most of which will go to an advertising blitz to help the vulnerable five-term senator cling to her seat in November, was the largest the GOP’s Senate Leadership Fund had ever spent in Maine.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/collins-gop-spending-platner-nervous

Prosecutors barred from reviewing material seized from Washington Post reporter
Natanson, who has closely reported on the ways the Trump administration has reshaped the federal government, had two laptops, two phones, a Garmin watch and other devices seized last week as Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Communist Party of the Philippines: Corruption, injustice, abuses drive Filipino youth to revolution
Over the past week or two, the US-Marcos regime has mounted a frenzied media and social media campaign to intimidate and threaten the Filipino youth, who, more and more are growing disenchanted amid deep and widespread social ills, and are being drawn to question the rotten ruling system and seek radical and revolutionary ways to end corruption, injustice and abuses by those in power. This campaign to intimidate and threaten the Filipino youth is part of Marcos’ arsenal of fascist tactics to maintain his grip on power and preserve the ruling system, by suppressing the youth’s and people’s aspirations for change. This blatant assault against the youth is spearheaded by the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the NTF-Elcac, and their mercenary hacks behind the Marcos government’s propaganda machinery. They have mobilized funds to activate and coordinate their social media troll army to drown out posts critical of the Marcos government in a deluge of spam comments, and throw their weight around to push their narrative in the press and public discourse. The Marcos psyops campaign heightened after a student researcher from the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, 22-year old Jerlyn Rose Doydora, died on January 1 in Abra de Ilog, Mindoro Occidental, amid relentless aerial bombing and strafing by the AFP, following an armed encounter. Another youth, 24-year old Chantal Anicoche, was taken into custody by the fascist soldiers, and illegally detained for a week, before being surfaced amid public outcry. Three Mangyan children were reportedly killed in the aerial bombing which was carried out in the proximity of mountain communities.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/statements/corruption-injustice-abuses-drive-filipino-youth-to-revolution/

The Imperialist Attack on Venezuela, the Crisis of Chavismo, and the Prospect of a Continental Anti-imperialist Struggle
We denounce those who celebrated Trump’s attack, seeing it as a liberation. Regrettably, many Venezuelan migrants believe Trump will liberate us. That is why we are on the front line of the anti-imperialist struggle against the neocolonial offensive, and we call for mobilization toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2655382
>"Capitalism" without the bourgeoisie around isn't capitalism anymore. Once workers own the MoP it's the beginnings of transition to socialism aka lower stage communism. What you are describing is the higher phase of communism.

Marx and Lenin both explicitly say so but people on here get mad when you point this out LOL. If they don't like it they should just abandon Marxism Leninism and come up with their own ideology founded on different principles: >>2658249


>>2658282
1. they do address your "points" no matter how much you insist they don't
2. with the exception of Trotsky, nobody I quoted is a revisionist, modernizer, or falsifier. and the quote I dropped from Trotsky is still correct anyway despite his problems. Same with Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao, Deng Xiaoping, or whoever else you may apply these labels to.
3. Deng was right and I will quote him because Deng was Marxist-Leninist.

>>2652779
Jewish privilege

>>2655351
>>The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as “an immense accumulation of commodities,” its unit being a single commodity.
from this it doesnt follow that any society where there is commodity production for exchange value is capitalist
you should read a logic introduction before getting into more complex works like capital

>>2655102
why would a jew want an independent poland? her people benefited from being a proxy between an occupying force and the natives

>>2655882
>the issue is that marxists dont into political science properly, so define class and the state incorrectly. all societies are class societies by virtue of status, which orders people differently. status can be defined by any metric, but there is always inclusion and exclusion.
>>2655891
>Marxists have defined both properly, it‘s just that you are a midwit who thinks arbitrary value systems constitute a class. It‘s about societal systems and relations that are consequential, i.e. who owns the means of production under capitalism and who does not.
Why do Marxists act like only capitalism has classes, didn't feudalism have classes as well?

>>2657876
>Why do Marxists act like only capitalism has classes, didn't feudalism have classes as well?
Is this a serious question? Let's read the opening words of Chapter 1 of The Communist Manifesto (1848)


<The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

<Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

Right there, in the opening sentences, is the acknowledgement that class struggle predates capitalism, and that different forms of class antagonisms have existed throughout history, alongside different modes of production.

>>2656548
The comparison between Tang era China and the USSR is so blatant. The system of Nomenklatura is basically the 1:1 "merits" system of the Tang era with all it's flaws.
USSR fell for the same reason Tang did as well largely. Corruption and Stagnation.
>>2655976
"Soviet bureaucrats owned nothing"
Technically but not the reality. Basically the way you did anything in the USSR was through bribes. This is why the Red Directors all had mansion dachas and several cars.
Watch the Soviet movie Beware of the Car which is about the brazen corruption in day to day life.

>>2655128
>dialectical materialism can not predict the emergence of classes for a radically new system
Dialectical materialism isn't a determinist predictive science. It's only a tool that explains how individuals come to change their environment.

>a posteriori
Yes. This is what it seeks to do.

>What‘s the solution for that?
Have democracy ?

>because an unknown amount of new class based systems are ahead of us that will each require another revolution
What do you think would've happened if, say, Trotsky had been in power and had allowed for the soviets to retake their original power ? Why do you think socialism must necesarrily have an upper class ?

>Marxian analysis will be sufficiently expanded upon to be able to predict the emergence of new classes a priori
I don't think you actually understand dialectical materialism. This method doesn't aim at predicting things a priori of their arrival, it aims at analyzing contemporary and past societies through the lens of materialism (so no external forces) whilst retaining a part of individual agency (individuals can reshape their environment).
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>>2658175
>Trotsky had been in power and had allowed for the soviets to retake their original power
Trotsky had no desire to do this lol and it was Lenin who emasculated the soviets anyway, not Stalin.

Bump

>>2655332
Voznesensky had lost some documents and Stalin killed him for that. There wasn't any evidence outside of the USSR that Voz rly was a spy. The USSR accusations alone are insufficient.

>>2634542
>This is like saying a gang is fundamentally different if a mob boss gives some bonuses to his crew instead of just killing them if they disobey.
That is a pretty big difference actually since a gang boss that earns the respect and support of his crew is going to have a much better chance of keeping it together and building a successful criminal enterprise than one who behaves like a cartoon villain. If the US goes ahead with forced annexation of Greenland it would fundamentally change the balance of power and could dissolve the transatlantic alliance. People need to understand the difference between hegemony and naked force, because it does matter for the strength and structural integrity of a geopolitical coalition and thus world history.

>>2635028
>waiter, waiter! more dead proletarians please!!
iron felix told me that is the only way to get the proletariat to do something so

Trump is gonna make an offer Denmark can't refuse.

It would be crazy if Trump bombed Greenland - white solidarity and all of that.

He's gonna get it and euros won't do anything about it.

Prediction: Greenland will be annexed but NATO will unfortunately live because eurocucks gonna cuck.

Also:

>The United States' plans to annex Greenland may only surprise at first glance and lead to the mistaken belief that these are merely extravagant remarks by President Trump. In fact, the U.S. had such plans as early as the 1860s, when the administration considered annexing Greenland and Iceland, but the idea lacked congressional support at the time. In 1910, a trilateral deal was prepared to exchange territories between the U.S., Germany, and Denmark, which would have granted Greenland to the United States, but the agreement ultimately fell through. During World War II, the U.S. established military bases in Greenland, and after the war, it offered to purchase the island from Denmark. In summary, the United States has serious plans regarding Greenland. These plans have deep historical roots, and the U.S. will continue to systematically advance its geopolitical, military-political, and economic interests in the Arctic.
- Vladimir Putin

>>2637025
What you need to realize is that Putin and his cronies are bourg first, capitalist second, and porky third, and then care about russia as a very distant fourth.

They probably think the situation would allow them to finally be accepted into the western haute bourg club of neolib ghouls instead of being treated like pariahs for being russian orcs.
They're obviously wrong of course, but that's the mindset.

>>2658089
No i just don't like spam about how yanks are all evil little treatlers or whatever. Half the people spamming it probably picked it up from ecelebs

>>2658084
pictured here (You) and the mods rn

>>2658099
kys yankee-loving faggot

Nothing of value is being said in this thread, no wonder it got saged, it's just virtue signalling for pseudo-radical petit-edgelords.
t. not even a yank, I will never visit the US

>>2656967
>>2656965
>>2658158
Leftychan would definitely be a better fit

>>2634626
any cooperatives willing to excessively exploit themselves,and even then they can't just have turn over to get rid of the workers that no longer have anything to squeeze from

the type of industry or place doesn't matter,since in the real world managers (ie,people employed by the "leader")are the one commanding those structures,so what's the real difference ?

and like the other said,the inevitability of capital consolidation happens because of the rate of profit declining,and even if it's steady,it's FAR from having killed small bussiness entirely

Huawei, one of the world's largest Worker-Owned-Cooperatives.

>>2654233
Half of its employees are foreigners with no right to participate in collective ownership.

>>2654251
Chat is this true?

>>2634626
Cooperatives have lower agency costs (no absentee owners extracting value), higher trust and information flow, longer planning horizons, willingness to operate at lower but steadier margins, resistance to enshittification and short-term extraction.

These advantages compound in certain industries. Cooperatives consistently are able to compete in agriculture, utilities, infrastructure, natural monopolies. Even in finance you have credit unions which are basically the banking version of a cooperative.

What if there were anonymous shitposters on leftypol that did praxis
But didn't brag about it or ask for donations

>>2657346
Well let's face it man, there's only so many reasons you wouldn't
>You don't like attention and keep a low profile. Possibly autistic and prob aren't a serious threat to the system
>You're a pussy. You don't wanna risk being incriminated for wrong think let alone wrong action, thereby keep a low profile and while that might be smart short term, it also means you are the easiest to compromise

It is natural to the human condition to want benefit. Be it physical benefit of donations or higher yearnings like ego boosts and praise.

Pic very related because let's say you were face to face with this gorgeous bitch whose wrong about everything.
>She knows you steal from Target. Scalping those pokemon cards to sell as singles, free money for the revolution and by revolution I mean you can pay your bills
>Assuming she doesn't just scream to garner mob attention over what's barely a misdemeanor, she won't sleep with you at the very least
>Sad… That's prime rib cunny lost to ideology. Zizak/Jesus wept.
>You know what would make you feel better? A Paypal donation to the ACP, or your discord channel full of other nerds saying she's a libshit and all the other leftists have a septum theory of value and maybe one of them will suck your peepee
>I mean you could just lie but that doesn't mean you gonna impregnate. Lying will just guarantee she leaves you alone. IE you're the coward or the autist.
>To take the lie further just for her delightful loins would be a detriment to you because you can only lie for so long because holy shit she's dumb. You'll either break and punch her or end up lying to yourself and find yourself becoming the reactionary.
>What ever will you do Che Guevara?

They're probably feds trying to cripple the left by making it completely irrelevant and out of touch.

>>2657093
>the time it will take to create the envisioned society is literally multiple lifetimes, ie even if revolution happened tomorrow, the task of creating the society we want doesn't end, if anything, that's when it really begins
yes i keep telling that to the puritanical dumbasses on here. Let's read some theory that says the same thing:

<What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm


<Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

<To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.

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>>2657093
>"sex work won't exist, so there's no need to engage with it"
>"small businesses won't exist so engaging with them is wrong"
>"drugs will be banned under communism, so engaging with the people who consume them is wrong"
Boring, but I'll bite since I don't feel like grading papers right now:
Who says this?!
I swear half of the posts on this site sound like AI hallucinations for how completely disconnected they are from what literally anyone is saying. Or hell, what do you even mean by "engaging" anyways. Do you mean recruiting from those segments, adopting their ideas, struggling with them, or just talking with them? The weaselly way you use that word reflects the audacious dishonesty of this entire strawman "argument".

Sex work is inherently coercive and must be abolished. It's not a career, it's rape. Sex workers are lumpen and their right to life and safety should be defended, women's councils should be formed and armed to enforce this violently if need be, while pimps and Johns should be lynched.
The petty bourgeoisie cannot be relied on to be anything approaching a revolutionary class as a whole, especially in first world settler colonial contexts where their entire way of life relies on imperialism. Some few individuals in this class might place politics first and commit class suicide, but this isn't a behavior that can be relied on to be carried out with any kind of mass consistency. You cannot sweet talk a small business owner into supporting the revolution in any genuine way while remaining in their class position. Struggle where you can, but never get your hopes up.
Lastly, I don't think there's ever been a consistent communist position on drugs beyond "the masses should be clear-headed while decisions need to be made". I certainly don't know of anyone who has advocated that communists not "engage" with anyone who partakes in drug usage, especially since that's not an internally cohesive group in any meaningful way when you investigate it. What drugs are done is different along class lines, but drug usage has been shown to be a pretty universal practice across all class strata, maybe somewhat more prevalent among the bourgeois classes. It would be obviously meaningPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

US justice department subpoenas Minnesota Democrats accused of impeding ICE efforts
A copy of a subpoena to the office of the Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Frey, obtained by the Guardian, requests guidance and policies related to immigration enforcement in Minnesota since last year. It also requests communication regarding those policies with other state agencies, as well as documents related to “hindering, doxxing, identifying, or surveilling immigration officers”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/20/minnesota-democrats-subpoenas-justice-department

NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani and US Sen. Bernie Sanders rally with nurses on ninth day of strike
The democratic socialists, speaking to a boisterous crowd of nurses in front of Mount Sinai West on the Upper West Side, called on hospital executives to return to the negotiating table to resolve the contract impasse that prompted some 15,000 nurses to walk off the job last week.
https://apnews.com/article/nursing-strike-new-york-bernie-sanders-mayor-mamdani-c6a23222b6275c553e78d033994a5a79

‘It Has to Stop’: Minnesota Police Chief Says Off-Duty Cops Racially Profiled by ICE
“In Brooklyn Park, one particular officer who shared her story with me was stopped as she passed ICE going down the roadway,” Bruley continued. “They demanded her paperwork, [but] she is a US citizen, and clearly would not have any paperwork. When she became concerned about the rhetoric and the way she was being treated she pulled out her phone in an attempt to record the incident. The phone was knocked out of her hands.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-racial-profiling

ICE arrests elderly, underdressed Hmong-American man inside his St. Paul home over mistaken identity, family says
The family of the man taken from the home, Chongly Scott Thao, says it was a case of mistaken identity. In an online fundraiser, they say ICE agents broke down the door, entered with weapons drawnPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

What lies ahead in 2026?
As 2026 gets underway, British capitalism is entering another year in its long-running decline and disarray. This isn’t just a rough patch. Economic weakness, institutional decay, and social malaise are converging. Together they point to a system that has reached its limits. As the management committee of this broken system, the Starmer government is hated. But the anger goes deeper than just the government. The authority of Britain’s major institutions has collapsed. The police, the monarchy, the BBC, the courts, Parliament itself – none command any real respect. What’s striking is that the distrust comes from the left and right. The right sees ‘two-tier policing’ and a biased media; the left sees repression and corruption. All see the economic crisis and falling living standards. And increasing numbers draw the conclusion that these institutions are not neutral, competent, or legitimate. Westminster’s two-party system is now finished. Historically, Britain’s electoral system produced stable governments by rotating power between two large parties that could both, when push came to shove, be trusted to defend the interests of British capitalism. That arrangement is now breaking down.
https://communist.red/what-lies-ahead-in-2026/

“Bolivia Is Not for Sale”
“Fuerza, fuerza, fuerza! Fuerza, compañeros!” bellowed a man in a miner’s helmet into a megaphone. Marching through the sun-drenched streets in the haze of noisy firecrackers, thousands of miners, workers, peasants, civil society associations, and indigenous organizations in Bolivia descended on the city of La Paz earlier this month in the biggest social mobilization in at least five years. Beyond the city, road blockades led by union locals brought transport to a near standstill across the country. In the streets, the mantra was “Bolivia no se vende” (Bolivia is not for sale). The mass protests against the executive decree of newly elected Rodrigo Paz’s conservative government lasted nearly a month. While presented as the elimination of the fuel subsidy, which keeps gasoline prices artificially low, Decree 5503 would have also privatized key natural resources and implemented a wide range of austerity measures. The impressive display of workers’ might, combined with an effective negotiation strategy by the traPost too long. Click here to view the full text.