/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2235720
Communism is the liberation of treats

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>>2235261
I don't even really think it's about young men being chuds, I just think being a hipster helped out in the end because when you talk to a gen z type, you talked to them all. They are like xeroxed clones of one another from what I can tell, lacking much in individuality.

New bread >>2235990

>>2235805
lol kyle mid vape

>>2235680
you failed to follow the conversation if you think i was dunking on marx

Academics and bureaucrats, when referring to a distinct social group
These are a subsection of the bourgeoisie thanks to requiring a stable financial situation (usually provided by well-off parents) in order to enter their ranks

an intellectual is someone who is too lazy to work out the answers

My observation is that innovation comes from boredom. The most bored a society is the more willing they are to take risk and the more willing they are to think outside the box.
Ive been a neet for quiet a while and i have nothing but worthless ideas.
Why do academics fail to bridge the gap?
They want to play it safe. cybernetics is too risky.
Academics talk about the working class having a restricted mindset but what about the academics? Are they willing to go the extra mile?
Paul cockshott made an attempt but its just him what about the rest? where is the collaboration?

>>2235652
look at richard wolf. Its simple he says. Just workplace democracy. Is it really that simple? has he read about the paris commune? is the paris commune still relevant?

>>2234934
NUKE INDIA

>>2234934
Have the Kerela government annex the rest of India.

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>>2234982
Have neither of you heard of the INC? The state India is in today is largely their fault

>>2234934
>To what extent could a socialist government realistically improve India?
Kerala

>>2235040
this

>>2235279
France isn’t the west

>>2235277
>The West technically speaking has experienced no losses in this war (other than a few adventure-seeking mercenaries).
<Gay Nazi casually forgets Europe's loss of Nordstream 2
You really do just notice only what you want to notice huh? Europe now pays a Qatari and Indian premium for gas as whats left of its industries hightails it to the PRC. Russia -in your opinion- acting irrationally is one of those "maybe true, also irrelevant" things. When multiple senior officials going back to the '90s insist that NATO encroachment will eventually lead to war, when NATO itself rejects the establishment of military bases in its own sphere, when NATO consistently adopts an anti-russia posture…

Then pretending that Russia is acting irrationally is ridiculous.
>>2235279
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the period after the revolution involved the establishment of a dictatorship of the proles and not say…the establishment of the Napoleonic empire and the biggest wars in Europe until the World Wars.

>>2235285
>Then pretending that Russia is acting irrationally is ridiculous.
I would never presume rationality as the default state in human affairs.

>>2235285
>Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the period after the revolution involved the establishment of a dictatorship of the proles and not say…the establishment of the Napoleonic empire and the biggest wars in Europe until the World Wars.
Well revolution isn't a dinner party.

Now post it in the general and get what's coming to you, pussy.

>>2233834
Immiserated is just a redundancy. There's no middle class left. Why do you think your words mean anything? Look around at the world.
How old are you? Communism is a very romantic notion but it's fucking silly when you know anything about reality.

The "immiserated wage workers" will come together and destroy the capitalist system and all men will truly be equal!
Jesus H Christ, dude…

>>2233745
You're not wrong that the bourgeoise won't allow themselves from being liquidated. It's simply not in their material interest to comply to our demands. This is why they tend to end up shot and their assets seized. The point is to eliminate them as a class, preferably peacefully, but most of the violently. MLs focus on revolution, not reformation or electoralism, precisely because the bourgeoise will do everything in their power to prevent communism from taking root.

Cant we determine human nature through neurology?
What does the neuron science say

I’m not also babysitting at my factory job, try again

>>2232647
>Muh human nature
Literally everything humans do is in their "nature".

TYBNA

Just zionist things

Barbara Lee, trailblazing former US Congress member, elected Oakland mayor
Lee was backed by most of the city council, the interim mayor, the local Democratic party, labor unions, faith leaders and business leaders. She earned the endorsement of the editorial board of the East Bay Times. Taylor drew support from the business and tech communities and was endorsed by the San Francisco Chronicle’s editorial board.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/19/oakland-california-mayor-election-results

Federal Judge Orders Trump Admin to Transfer Rumeysa Ozturk to Vermont
Ahead of the ruling on Friday, Massachusetts Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey and Rep. Ayanna Pressley demanded that Secretary of State Marco Rubio release an internal memo on Ozturk's arrest and any other documentation about the administration's case against her.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/rumeysa-ozturk-ice

Indonesian student detained by Ice after US secretly revokes his visa
The day before Harsono’s bond hearing, DHS disclosed their evidence against him. Besides stating that his visa had been revoked for the misdemeanor graffiti conviction, for which he paid $100 in restitution, they also mentioned an arrest from 2021 during a protest over the murder of George Floyd. That charge was dismissed. Harsono is Muslim and frequently posts on social media in support of humanitarian relief for Gaza. He also runs a small non-profit, which sells art and merchandise, with proceeds going to organizations aiding Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/19/aditya-wahyu-harsono-immigration-indonesia

15 years after Deepwater Horizon oil spill, lawsuits stall and restoration is incomplete
Oil company BP paid billions of dollars in damages, propelling ambitious coastal restoration projects across five states. Yet cleanup workers and local residents who suffered health impacts they attribute to the oil spill have struggled to have their cases hePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Nationalisation has been vindicated by reality
THE extraordinary session of parliament last Saturday was necessary in order to rescue British Steel. There is little reason to be cheerful, though, as this is a largely half-baked measure and the future of both the company and all the associated jobs remains in the balance.Most other countries, irrespective of their political ideology, would not dream of letting themselves be put in such a position, and neither should we. Steel is a vital industry. It is important in itself and is a vital input into other key sectors, including rail, other transport, certain infrastructure, construction, machinery and cars. Many of these have become rather unfashionable industries in a number of Western economies, including Britain. But they have only become “unfashionable” because Western firms have stopped investing in them or severely reduced their investment. Yet many of these same industries are booming in the rest of the world. Instead, we were told that services and especially financial services were the way forward. Bizarrely, despite the utter banking collapse in 2007 to 2008 and its costly consequences, there are many who still seem to believe this, including in the Labour government. Yet industry is vital to the prosperity of any advanced economy
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/nationalisation-has-been-vindicated-by-reality

Wrong on Principle, Wrong Politically
The Donald Trump administration is currently in the middle of what might be the gravest federal government overreach seen this century at least, asserting unprecedented repressive powers against even US citizens, defying a Supreme Court order to rectify one of its unlawful deportations, and thumbing its nose at core principles like the rule of law and separation of powers that American democracy was founded on. Challenging this loudly and fiercely should be a basic, commonsense position for anyone who believes in these things, and especially for an opposition party that has spent years screaming that Trump was a dictator in waiting. Yet the response from a shocking number of voices who should know better is that those appalled by this authoritarian overreach should meekly avoid the issue. They’re acting like the Trump administration is enjoyinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

updated https://erikhoudini.com/news

>>2234765
What song is this?

>West sympathetic to Marxism

But the USSR did win

>>2234200
>Orthodox Marxism
aka menshevism

>>2230543
Like Nicaragua, since in its constitution is manifested as a revolutionary state.

>>2234904
all you posting is that non national socialism never achieved anything in real life, bordiga was right, hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW were the true revolutionaries, marxoids are ideological dead ends.

>>2232191
uh oh stinky

I'm kind of a theorylet but as far as I understand the LTV doesn't actually refute supply and demand just asserts that it isn't the sole determinator of the price/value of a commodity.

>>2234040
[part 1 of?]
That's correct. OP is deeply stupid. Let's see what Marx says about Supply and Demand (he never ignores it, especially when it comes to the supply and demand of labor power itself, due to the phenomenon of the reserve army of labor, also known as relative surplus population):

<Little as Vulgar-Economy knows about the nature of value, yet whenever it wishes to consider the phenomena of circulation in their purity, it assumes that supply and demand are equal, which amounts to this, that their effect is nil. If therefore, as regards the use-values exchanged, both buyer and seller may possibly gain something, this is not the case as regards the exchange-values. Here we must rather say, “Where equality exists there can be no gain.”5 It is true, commodities may be sold at prices deviating from their values, but these deviations are to be considered as infractions of the laws of the exchange of commodities6 , which in its normal state is an exchange of equivalents, consequently, no method for increasing value.7
>Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 5

<While prices fall, and capital is being displaced, the labourers employed in the production of necessary means of subsistence are in their turn “freed” from a part of their wages. Instead, therefore, of proving that, when machinery frees the workman from his means of subsistence, it simultaneously converts those means into capital for his further employment, our apologists, with their cut-and-dried law of supply and demand, prove, on the contrary, that machinery throws workmen on the streets, not only in that branch of production in which it is introduced, but also in those branches in which it is not introduced.
>Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 15

<In the expression “value of labour,” the idea of value is not only completely obliterated, but actually reversed. It is an expression as imaginary as the value of the earth. These imaginary expressions, arise, however, from the relations of production themselves. They are categories for the phenomenal forms of essential relations. That in their appearaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2234040
[part 2]
<It is not enough that the conditions of labour are concentrated in a mass, in the shape of capital, at the one pole of society, while at the other are grouped masses of men, who have nothing to sell but their labour-power. Neither is it enough that they are compelled to sell it voluntarily. The advance of capitalist production develops a working class, which by education, tradition, habit, looks upon the conditions of that mode of production as self-evident laws of Nature. The organisation of the capitalist process of production, once fully developed, breaks down all resistance. The constant generation of a relative surplus-population keeps the law of supply and demand of labour, and therefore keeps wages, in a rut that corresponds with the wants of capital. The dull compulsion of economic relations completes the subjection of the labourer to the capitalist. Direct force, outside economic conditions, is of course still used, but only exceptionally. In the ordinary run of things, the labourer can be left to the “natural laws of production,” i.e., to his dependence on capital, a dependence springing from, and guaranteed in perpetuity by, the conditions of production themselves. It is otherwise during the historic genesis of capitalist production. The bourgeoisie, at its rise, wants and uses the power of the state to “regulate” wages, i.e., to force them within the limits suitable for surplus-value making, to lengthen the working day and to keep the labourer himself in the normal degree of dependence. This is an essential element of the so-called primitive accumulation.
>Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 28

<The great beauty of capitalist production consists in this – that it not only constantly reproduces the wage-worker as wage-worker, but produces always, in proportion to the accumulation of capital, a relative surplus-population of wage-workers. Thus the law of supply and demand of labour is kept in the right rut, the oscillation of wages is penned within limits satisfactory to capitalist exploitation, and lastly, the social dependence of the labourer on the capitalist, that indispensable requisite, is secured; an unmPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

You are equating the model from a tiny booklet with the entire mental world of the person writing it.

>>2234666
I haven't read him myself but it's almost cannon in Marxist economic circles from what I can tell.

>>2234315
>So, if e.g. a recession happens in response to the tariffs in China, you think they won't be able to conduct nationalizations
Yes, I think they would not be able to do nationalizations in case of a recession. Even if the need for nationalization was incredibly obvious.
They are not winning in some key areas, such as working conditions and income inequality, domestic consumption and youth unemployment, and in having an ossified party structure.

>>2234315
another issue is China doesn't have a social safety net, except a small one for pensioners. Healthcare costs can wipeout a family financially especially for disability or chronic disease. It is very very sad

>>2235001
>Healthcare costs can wipeout a family financially especially for disability or chronic disease. It is very very sad
Sauce?

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