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<Is ACORN the most effective American socialist organization ever?

So actual information on the subject of the org ACORN is hard to find, and the Wikipedia page is not very informative. I always thought that it was simply another mildly successful org for tenant rights. However I found out the actual activities and strength of ACORN from a right wing hitjobbey outlet. however if they only did 1/2 of what was claimed, it would have done much more then any other to spread socialism here.

>Was the largest radical group in America, with more than 400,000 dues-paying member families and more than 1,200 chapters in 110 U.S. cities as of 2008

>“ACORN … organizes crude protests against businesspeople and public officials. Opposed to the profit motive and capitalism in general, it pushes for more government control over citizens and the economy. ACORN supports gun control, a government monopoly in healthcare and an open door immigration policy. It supports a big raise in the federal minimum wage and so-called ‘living-wage’ laws enacted by states and cities. ACORN wants more funding for urban public schools, and wants federal and state laws enacted guaranteeing paid sick leave for all full-time workers. The group claims to fight for affordable housing and it rails against foreclosures and so-called ‘predatory’ lending, even though it demands that banks make loans [to underqualified borrowers] destined to default.”

>As noted above, housing activism was a major priority for ACORN, which formed housing collectives in a host of targeted areas. These collectives pressured local authorities to place them (the collectives) in charge of renovating and managing abandoned or dilapidated properties for poor tenants. In turn, the local authorities provided money for renovation — much of which ended up in ACORN bank accounts. The tenants were compelled to “earn” their new homes by investing “sweat equity”; i.e., working without pay on renovating the properties. ACORN or its designated “housing collective” retained title to the land on which these buildings stood. If the tenants decided to move out, they were required to give their property back to ACORN, at cost, no matter what the market value of the property.

>As an ACORN insider my indoctrination as a socialist was a slow but steady p
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>Hobbyists, not serious political activists
Ok tankie. I'm a member of the DSA. All the criticisms against it (namely, that it's not actually socialism) are a LIE invented by tankies. While I would love to see workers gain control of the means of production, I don't see that as likely in the future of America as long as the DSA is being slandered by tankies like you.
DSA provides a realistic way to move America more towards the Left. Right now, people desperately need healthcare reform (single-payer/Medicare for All). We need stronger labor laws. We need a living wage. We need student loan amnesty. These are things that can happen with growth of the DSA.
I'm a communist at heart. I don't believe in states and think smaller autonomous self-rule would be ideal. Once we have that, we can work towards the workers controlling the means of production. Short of revolution (and with it, murder), I don't see that happening any time soon unless we smash the state.




I agree with the sentiment anon but calling them a tankie over and over again doesn't help with the core argument. I also suggest looking more into the IWW, a lot of leftists aren't wrong when they call the DSA too reformist.


My core belief is that the working class needs to start building dual power structures against the state to decrease the reliance their communities have on it, along with corporations. Aspiring to change things on a national level is good, but ultimate power is built within your local communities.


This has to be a false flag

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What exactly leads to people becoming how do I phrase this in the simplest way possible
>Barbaric and uncivilized
Is there an ideological or economic reason as to why some folks on this planet are capable of behaving themselves and turning out successful while others arent?
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>parenting "comes natural".
I despise the fact that people think that. I don't have a good relationship with either of my parents due to that mentally. The kids you talk about remind me of myself a little bit. I'm not a gangster but definitely not where I should be in life. My parents like you said assumed it comes naturally which they really shouldn't have. I was one of many and lets just say they never really got it right.


your parents are the exception, not the rule


Probably. But it's definitely a prevailing mentality in parts of the world.


my dude any services involving children attract predators because of the access they have to children there


first of all, stfu you dumb uyghur you're probably like 12 years old you bootlicking cunt

to answer your question, one reason is that we're told to enjoy ourselves as the highest value. Well, some people take it very seriously. Another reason is that some people are just brought up in an environment where behavior that you'd consider barbaric and uncivilized (violence, theft, rape, stupid shit) is the only thing that gives social validation, and basically people just get inculturated with it. Other times, people are just fed up with this fucked up world that treats kids like prospects for a cult, can't give genuine care about individuals, tells you that the whole is greater than you so you have to just obey, etc. and people chimp out because it's insane.

Lots of reasons, more than i can answer. I hope you enjoyed this sampling

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And no, I don't just mean the government. Socialism is diametrically opposed to the interests of American people, and most socialists have a burning hatred for us. Americans have found themselves in conflict with socialists from Day 1. From assassinating one of our presidents in 1901, to sabotage of the war effort in World War II, to giving our nuclear weapons designs to an enemy in the 1940s, to being our main enemy during the Cold War, to trying to destroy American civilization in the present-day, socialists have always been enemies of the American people.

Now what is the root of this conflict? There's a couple of things.

Firstly, the interests of Americans and the interests of socialists (and the people who tend to gravitate to socialism) are diametrically opposed to one another. The continued survival of American civilization is dependent on the extraction of resources from foreign countries. However, this extraction is harmful to those countries and thus their people turn to communism in order to fight it. Our relationship with these countries is like that of a wolf and a sheep. We need to feed on sheep to survive, but many sheep have to die in order to feed us. This is a conflict that will never be resolved until the destruction of one or both of our civilizations. This is why we go to war so much.

Secondly, our culture is incompatible with socialism. We are individualistic, while socialism is collectivistic. We thus naturally find socialism to be repugnant.

Some socialists pretend that socialism would benefit Americans, preaching "worker solidarity" or some other Marxist slogan, but this is not the case. The only honest socialists are Maoist-Third-Worldists, as they acknowledge that our interests are diametrically opposed to that of communists.

Now what about American socialists? Surely they aren't anti-American, right? Wrong. The vast majority of American socialists are either a) recent immigrants who have not yet assimilated into American society and thus still cling to ideologies, like socialism, that they brought from their native lands, b) self-loathing college students, or c) black sheep who turn to socialism in order to spite the society they do not get along with.

Now I imagine a lot of people on this site will read "Socialism is anti-American" and reply "That's a good thing, right? Isn't America the root of all evil?". I would reply to this by saying that I can understand why people hatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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> our
> we
> we are individualistic


>American civilization depends on American exploitation
And it will collapse from over-exploiting both its population and the planet. "America is a death cult" didn't arise from nothing and you are deep into that cult if you come to /leftypol/ to defend it.


he is right about this, first world living standards would be nearly impossible without the labor pool of Bangladesh, the oil of Iraq and the lithium of Bolivia to supply the global aristocracy. with that being said, i don't believe global worker solidarity is impossible but i wouldn't be surprised if well off upper middle class would appose it.


Not to mention the average life expectancy of Americans has actually gone down over the last several years.


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>secure itself from counter revolutionaries
Daniel Shays was a revolutionary, his oppressor George Washington was the counter revolutionary.

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Its 2021 there are multiple riots going on worldwide
A fucking global pandemic and multiple vaccine companies going to war with their customers over complaints of vaccines being ineffective and harmful to others
The afghanistan war just ended and now the taliban just went to civil war
Lebanon has collapsed with jihadism being a generally growing problem in all of northern africa and some sects of east africa
Food prices and prices for all sorts of commodities worldwide are soaring globally leading to increased civil unrest
The economies of canada, britain, france germany and Denmark are in stagnation if not on rapid decline leading to civil unrest and calls for reactionary views
Eastern europe is growing into an even bigger warzone each year
Drug cartels especially in mexico actually became an even bigger threat after the pandemic hit leading to them becoming deadlier than ever
Egypt's politicians are calling for war on ethiopia over a dam dispute

Did I get everything or is humanity such an unbelievable colossal fuck up of a species that I'm still missing a mountain of autistic problems
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You forgot about record heatwaves, flooding in the eastern seaboard, people just straight up dying from humidity in South Asia and the ocean is on fire.


we're all going to die man. those are the last days.


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Based Mao

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Why? It's nowhere near enough…
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Move out of the Bay Area


look at me, i am so rich, pity me fellow worker comrades


>Anime girl image
>It's nowhere near enough
as extrapolated from your post, success to you means keeping up with your only fans subscriptions


if you fear inflation more than unemployment then you forfeit your right to live.


I live pretty comfortable with 12k per year but I'm also non American

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Why do modern capitalists pay more than subsistence in first world countries? I understand that imperialism has something to do with it but I don't quite understand how Imperialist wealth trickles down into the low working class.
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It doesn't for the working class, but the middle class? No idea! Why do middle class workers, like the ones that write on Reddit, get paid $80k+ per year? They have no special skills, they have no bargaining power, so why do they get paid so much?



It can also be social connections. "Relational" or "social" capital if you will. It can also ve sometimes that they are the only ones will to whore themselves out properly and have training to do so..


now thats a very low IQ take


ah, the famous "we lowered the bar for poverty so we lifted MILLIONS out of poverty! also lets take all of china into our stats ! oh, and a bangladesh woman who go from farming to sweatshop factory slave and has to work twice as hard as before to get by now has a salary, so she got out of poverty !



Indeed the world bank uses the purchasing power parity of the usd to adjust the inflation of 1980 1$ line.

In the beginning it didn't even adjust using cpi, it adjuated overal us inflation, which includes capital goods in the basket.

Because the ghanaian cocoa farmer consumes a basket of goods that includes some proportion of uranium enrichment centrifuges and bauxite electrolysis electrodes.

Now of course they use the us cpi, to account for the importance of luxury cars, sushi, and flat screen tvs in the Indian Dalit's consumption.

On a serious note, there interesting effects if inflation inequality is taken into account, even if only in a limited way in first world countries:


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While I do agree with what leftypol says most of the time about the west, I can not agree with what is said about Stalin. The west does only paint Stalin in a bad light and does not show his achievements, at the end of the day he still was a genocidal and in no way a democratic or fair man.
Like could you just explain to me why the USSR targeted my people during the great purge? Why was it that any ethnic latvian, who arrived in Russia after 1920, was sent arrested and 75% of whom were sentenced to a death sentence. Could you explain this "Latvian operation" as it's called? Why was it that all latvian, non Stalin loyalists in the USSR higher government were magically either dead or in prison, that doesn't seem particularly democratic of him.
Also how can you explain the multiple innocent latvian military officials who were shot on sight right as the USSR illegaly occupied the baltic lands? And what about the tens of thousands of innocent families were deported to work in the harsh siberian wastelands? How is any of that democratic . Like you can't just sit there and say that he wasn't performing any type of ethnic cleansing like cmon.
P.S. is occupying your neighboring nations democratic and noble?
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The Nazis should have won.


Yeah and your mom should have considered abortion, guess we all can't always get what we want.




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It feels like every single god dambed right wing idiot on this planet is completely incapable of doing something as simple as reading a fucking book or discussing politics outside of id/pol/ faggotry… I just want to hear nonleftists ideas that dont completely revolve around minorities or non Germanic Europeans pledging allegiance to their grand masters without understanding that they would've been genocided under that assholes policies yet it feels like all of them either worship capitalism and authoritarian governments until they get affected and vilify minorities for existing even when they don't affect their lives…
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Of course they exist. They just don't believe the schlock they are feeding to other people.


Maybe Alain de Benoist, but that's about it


They definitely are but they create their own reality and expand upon that. Like a flat earther that knows every city in the world but is fundamentally wrong about fundamentals


People like Jared Taylor but they dont get funding.

Go back to your imageboard ttg uyghur


I mean, I didn't say they were INTELLIGENT and educated, I took OP's question to mean right wingers who are beyond the average /pol/ screecher. Not a very high bar.

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It may be dumb to discuss it because there isnt a global future and in some places civilization will retreat and in others it will grow. But what are some criticisms of civilization by anarchists or marxists? Is anti-civilization compatible with socialism? It anti-civilization the end point of communism?
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Communism will invariably be anti/post-civ imo


But does civilization mean class society?


Civilis means politics whihc means class so yess


So one of my questions would be, it's anti-civ industrialism possible? I don't mean if it is good or bad, but if it is possible.


Anticivs that dont accept even the most democratized and decentralized forms of "civilization" for its utility in voluntary and sustainable production don't exist in real world…. outside the undercovers and inwitting plants they brainwash over socialmedia.

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considering the defeat of the populist right, I've been seeing that desantis is the new meme candidate alongside tucker carlson. I already see that a lot of the memelords are abandoning trump and jumping over to desantis and shit. I think that the right-wing will have a revival as it seems as if the general desires for conformity and for shit to not change is still within the proles minds. That and Biden has already made it clear that he will work with the corpos here to destabilize the south america. How do you deal with the fact that it seems as if we fought hard but only minorly inconvenienced the right as a whole?
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What defeat?


Also another thing I've thought up but do you think there was a right-wing blitz attack against the left or what? I think the ban of all the commie parties in the EU as well as the increased spam here and other places with general social conservatism and shit seems to be kind of suspicious to me.


LOOOOOL the attempts to astroturf support for Ron Deepstatis have failed


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I imagine some groups are trying to meme DeSantis as the Trump-lite who is safe and won't rock the boat too much, but when polls include Trump 2024 he just completely crushes everyone again.


If Trump runs he is guaranteed to get the nomination. That idea that he would face a serious Republican challenger is ridiculous, the base is still overwhelmingly behind Trump. Whether he won the general would depend on just how incompetent the Democrats are. They are currently rolling over and letting the GOP suppress the vote across the country, which could have a massive effect.
If he doesn't run then it will be another 2016-like clusterfuck where there's like a hundred candidates running and none of them can get a solid majority. In that scenario someone like Tucker Carlson would have an advantage, but I don't know if he would actually run. He's a weasel who is already in a very comfortable position. He would be a king-maker though.
I don't see DeSantis going anywhere. Too old hat. Trump simultaneously had celebrity name recognition and was perceived as an outsider, which you would think is a contradiction but lol America.

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