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Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2547744
On the contrary, Utah is a perfect example of why the US needs to be split into 50 unique countries, maybe with a few borders redrawn here and there.

>>2559870
>US needs to be split into 50 unique countries
What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?

>>2559870
The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.

Utah is probably the most dead end dead end in the entire country. I'm a student here, and aside from the youth-adult split (which is very pronounced; and sometimes produces 20-something internet 'communists') there's pretty much no base for it.

inside the cities there are of course working class people; but the vast majority of inhabitants here are firmly petit-bourgeoisie, religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left. Just about the only people who'd take up arms are migrant workers who are reasonably terrified to stir the pot and people under threat of homelessness.

It's an incredibly tight-knit mutual panopticon of shame and obedience. I fully believe that if there was any major civil war shakeup in the US; Utah would be consolidating to revive their cultic state project (Deseret) and engaging in protracted violece against various selected outgroups.

>>2569810
>religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left.

We can all blame whiteness for this (never mind the fact that there are plenty of Hispanic, Pinoy, and Polynesian Mormons) but a much more concise explanation is that Mormon society in Utah is super stable to the point where contradictions are basically invisible. Might be because of the fact that the family unit is extremely tight-knit among Mormon families.


 

🌴CALIFORNIA POLITICS 🥑
< The Cesspool of Late-Stage Narcissism Edition

💸🧘Thread for hellish discussion of the Progressive Reich and the smug, solar-paneled hypocrisy of the California Bourgeoisie and its Proletarian Gimps.🌞🍷

<Things will continue to be a performative hellscape where every solution is a branded, venture-capitalist-backed app for a problem they created, where people who preach "sustainability" own three homes and charge their Tesla from a grid powered by fossil fuels. The homeless population will be both a moral crisis and an eyesore to be hidden behind decorative fencing, while the legislature passes another groundbreaking non-binding resolution. The state will burn, flood, and drought simultaneously, and everyone will blame climate change while refusing to address the water-guzzling almond farms or their own lawn. The collapse will be a slow, Instagrammable descent into a smug, self-congratulatory dystopia.

<Death to the land of the fake woke, the exporters of insipid culture, the enabler of NIMBYs, the patron saint of pilates, the captains of crony capitalism, the barons of brunch, the lord of the lease-to-own luxury car, the guarantor of gentrification, the sultan of the startup, the prince of the pinkwashed police state
💧 Drought Tracker 🚰
https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?ca

🏘️ NIMBY Policy Tracker 🏗️
https://calmatters.org/housing/

📱 Glowie-Tech News 📱
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The firm guarding sites where aid is distributed in Gaza has been using members of a US biker gang with a history of hostility to Islam to run its armed security, a BBC investigation has found.

BBC News has confirmed the identities of 10 members of the Infidels Motorcycle Club working in Gaza for UG Solutions - a private contractor providing security at Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites, where hundreds of civilians seeking food have been killed in scenes of chaos and gunfire.

We can reveal that seven members of the gang are in senior positions overseeing sites at the controversial aid operation backed by Israel and US President Donald Trump.

UG Solutions (UGS) defended its employees' qualifications for the job, saying it does not screen people out for "personal hobbies or affiliations unrelated to job performance".

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) said it has "a zero-tolerance policy for any hateful, discriminatory biases or conduct".

Infidels MC was set up by US military veterans of the Iraq war in 2006 and members see themselves as modern Crusaders, using the Crusader cross as their symbol - a reference to the medieval Christians who fought Muslims for control of Jerusalem.

The gang is currently hosting anti-Muslim hate speech on its Facebook page and has previously held a pig roast "in defiance of" the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

"Putting the Infidels biker club in charge of delivering humanitarian aid in Gaza is like putting the KKK in charge of delivering humanitarian aid in Sudan. It makes no sense whatsoever," said Edward Ahmed Mitchell, deputy director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a leading Muslim civil rights organisation in the US.
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Yeah this was called out a while ago but everything is so bleak and hopeless that this is just a cherry on top. point stuff out like this in usapol and they just seethe about china or call you a third worldist

israel is moving the yellow blocks to expand the control zones

>>2567690
>H-MAS
wtf is wrong with dropsite news? why are they censoring the word hamas?


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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
< Ecce Homo, Or The Fruits Of Reformism Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.
<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2569784
>I don't think I'd get fired though I could be wrong.
godspeed and good luck

>>2569694
the poor ones know it

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>>2569681
hmmmmmmm, but what if I don't want a bunch of flies in my honey

>>2569668
Russia and Ukraine are sad together. :(

>>2569663
>I think if you consider yourself a Trump ally he sees you as a sucker. If you’re not an ally but not directly competing against him he wants to be frens.
this is true, but only if you're consequential. if you're not consequential he could care less about what happens to you.


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/PRC/ People's Republic of China 18
>Pet The Donkey Edition
Original threads:
https://archive.ph/S2XYA
https://archive.ph/Ytckv

leftypol.org archives:
https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/30501.html

bunekrchan.xyz archives:
https://archive.is/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/8925.html
https://archive.is/yrBUN
https://archive.is/pCecr
previous thread: >>2548078
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Was the One Child Policy a good thing? My instinct is yes but I need more evidence

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>>2569745
Well let's note that China's fertility was already on the decline before one-child policy. Also contrary to popular belief, only about 35% of the population were subject to the original restriction. For instance, rural parents were soon allowed to have a second child if the first was a daughter and there were numerous exceptions over time including for ethnic minorities and those living in remote areas.

The one child policy also wasn't perfectly policed, bear in mind China started issuing IDs for its people in the 90s.
Hence you have articles like these
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/01/asia/china-missing-girls
>But in a new study, researchers suggest that around 25 million of these girls aren’t actually missing, but went unreported at birth – only appearing on government censuses at a later stage in their lives.
>“Most people are using a demographic explanation to say that abortion or infanticide are the reasons (these girls) don’t show up in the census and that they don’t exist,” said John Kennedy, study co-author and political science professor at Kansas University.
>When China implemented the one-child policy in 1979, the government expected local family planning officials to enforce it. However, implementing the rule proved harder in villages, where officials were also members of the community.
>Kennedy – who spent long research stints in rural China – discovered that in many cases, village officials turned a blind eye to children born outside the one-child policy. They’d let them go unreported in order to maintain good relations with the villagers.
>Kennedy said that by the mid-1980s, the Chinese government relaxed one-child policy rules in rural areas, allowing villagers to have a second child if the first was a girl. Yet in the 1990s, Kennedy discovered that lax policy enforcement had allowed families in rural areas to bypass the policy.

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>>2569767
Another interesting thing is that it may have structurally led to more gender equality especially in urban areas. Urban families under strict one-child rules frequently had just one daughter, and because she was the only child, parents would invest heavily in her education. She would also inherit more resources and receive opportunities that would traditionally go to sons.

There was an article publish a couple years ago by Pallayi Aiyar, an Indian woman, titled, "I Would Rather Be Born A Woman In China Than India." It's about her experience living in China between 2002 and 2009 and some of the difference in gender relations she obeserved between the two countries:
>I was unprepared for the sheer physicality of women in China that I immediately noticed upon arriving in Beijing in the summer of 2002.
>Chinese women inhabited public spaces in a way that was impossible in most parts of India. They didn’t walk as though folding themselves inward to be invisible to passing men. They didn’t avoid eye contact. They rang their bicycle bells loudly. Sometimes they loitered.
>It was more likely for me to spot a woman taxi or bus driver in Beijing than it had been in London or Los Angeles, for example. At the airport, men were often frisked, with businesslike indifference, by female security guards.
>The female airport security guards leaped out at me as a particularly compelling comparison with India, where airports featured women-only queues that led to curtained-off boxes where they were patted down by female officers.

>>2569767
>no 25 million girls? MUST HAVE BEEN A SECRET GENOCIDE! Here are my estimations how it's actually 100 millions dead, actually, 25 millions is the bare minimum of losses under communism!
Every fucking time

>>2568879
Yeah. China would rather kill heckin arabs than cut off trade with the modern nazi. We get it.


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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!™
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

—————————————————–

CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2569688
>in democratic kampuchea
1970 was when Lon Nol's fascist Khmer Republic was in power, which it maintained until 1975, allowing the US to obliterate its farmland with bombs all the while. Then the KR takes the capital and suffers the brunt of the food shortage.

>>2569693
trve except
>suffers the brunt of the food shortage
the food shortage was the prime reason for april 17 city depopulation and the KR policy avoided a much, much worse fate

>>2568667
Socdems are winning

>>2568782
I think BE is really jaded and pessimistic when it comes to American politics, but I do share his criticisms of the American left and their current strategy. I honestly think a big part of the DSA and the American left don't try to do any actual organizing to build an independent leftist party on from the local level is because they don't know how to actually engage with people locally, and are unable or unwilling to have to talk with people who don't align with them fully or are *gasp* conservative. Also, organizing with the local level means having to constantly deal with the reality of organizing being very long-term (talking months to years to decades) with no guarantee of success, and that just scares the shit out of the already bitter and depressed millennial/gen Z DSA base.

>>2567607
>the virtue signal flotilla


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I can’t be the only comrade worried about this.

Iran, which has been at the forefront of fighting Zionism and global imperialism, may have to relocate millions of people from Tehran in the next few weeks as the capital city faces a massive water crisis. Tehran is running out of water and the only option the government has is to move its people. Iran may very well have to establish a new capital city closer to a water source. This means spending a ton of money the country doesn’t have.

But it doesn’t stop there. The West and the Zios are already taking advantage of this looming disaster. Once Iran is in a state of crisis the CIA will certainly fund a new colour revolution to overthrow the revolutionary Islamic government and replace it with a western puppet, most likely the ousted Shah’s son. The Zionist entity is mocking Iran and “offering” desalinization plants in exchange that the revolutionary government sell out the Palestinian people and recognize the Zionist settler-colony as “legitimate.” This is disgusting. So far, no one else is offering Iran any aid, not even China.

I fear for both the people of Iran and the state of global anti-imperialism because of this.
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>>2568438
Vanity projects by the Iranian government.

President just said they're moving the capital due to the water crisis.

Imagine 8 million people in Tehran mass-migrating.

Did something happen yet?

>>2569703
Is it Ayatollver?



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"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2569463
i'm thinking this is a jump-before-pushed situation for a lot of this lot. they're leaving now under their own terms before having to have the political embarrassment of their positions within the party being marginal (as in, no official positions of power outside of being a sitting MP) or untenable.

>>2569463
>>2569545
>A source told the New Statesman that Mohamed’s resignation speaks to a wider alienation of Muslim communities, who are increasingly not joining Your Party. They said this comes in the context of an increase in attacks on the Independent Alliance MPs from ultra-left activists.
<One source pointed to Sultana’s suggestion that there is no place for socially conservative views in a left-wing party as being particularly damaging. In an interview with the New Statesman in September, Sultana said: This is a progressive, socialist party… my job as a parliamentarian first and foremost, as well as someone who is part of Your Party, is to speak up to the most marginalised voices.” She added: “Anyone who feels like they can’t subscribe to…these principals, then [Your Party] might not be for them.”
Ah yes. This is ultra-leftism. Pure nuttery. Who'd even say such a thing. Probably wasn't even focus grouped.

>>2569556
Sounds like your party is cleaning house, no issue here.

Anyone watch the Channel 4 Lucy Letby doco? Thoughts?
I was in two minds before but, like, the more information i learn the more it seems she was fit up to blame for years of austerity/scrabbling NHS suits and this. Worst part is it'll happen all over again in a few years to decades.

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/US-Venezuela war/ #2
>Tired of the re-runs edition
>>2440521 Previous thread
https://archive.ph/4Dq3L Thread 1 Archive

The Real Reason the USA Is Attacking Latin America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWH-LPyTow
0:00 Trump's war on Latin America
1:04 (CLIP) Trump meddles in Argentina's election
1:23 US imperial strategy in Latin America
2:02 (CLIP) Trump wants Venezuela's oil
2:14 Natural resources
2:41 Ties with China and Russia
3:02 Oligarchic counter-revolution
4:11 US war on Venezuela
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>>2566821
China is far stronger than the USA in a total war off the Chinese coast where its full industrial might is brought to bear. However, it has a much smaller long range/blue water navy than the US has, and supplying such a navy in Venezuela when the supply routes run through the two island chains with US military bases would be impossible anyways.

>>2569513
Venezuela should really invest heavily in MANPADS and interceptor drones considering how much the US military relies on extremely vulnerable large/low flying aircraft to counter guerrillas. B52 bombers, AC130s, A10s, attack helicopters, MQ9s and other drones not built for stealth, etc

RCP video but i would say still worth sharing with people around you.

>>2569709
>Imagine starting a war to distract people from your name being on the Epstein list.
This is such a dogshit take propagated by amerikkkan libs. Venezuela is a long-term target with bipartisan backing.
>>2569726
>Venezuela should really invest heavily in MANPADS
They've been bragging about having IGLAS missiles, if that is the same/similar thing.

What do I even do as an American? This regime change shit repulses me to my very marrow but there is no real anti-war movement in the US. There's no way to meaningfully channel my opposition that I can find.


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Interested to see if we have any contrarians here who can explain why the RSF is good and anti-imperialist actually. They're secular and portrayed as the bad guys in western media, so they're probably the good guys?
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From newsanon's thread:

Mohammed bin Salman expected to lobby Trump over UAE role in Sudan, sources say

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman is expected to lobby US President Donald Trump over the UAE’s support for the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF) in Sudan when the two leaders meet at the White House next week, multiple Arab and western officials have told Middle East Eye.

The move, which follows a phone call last week between Mohammed bin Salman and Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) commander Abdul Fattah al-Burhan, would mark a rare direct engagement between the Saudi ruler and Trump on Sudan.

The UAE has backed the RSF throughout the war using supply lines that run through southeastern Libya, Chad and, increasingly, the port of Bosaso, on Somalia's Puntland coast. Abu Dhabi continues to deny the allegations.

Multiple sources monitoring the war told MEE that their internal traffic showed an information war was already under way between UAE and Saudi-backed social media accounts. Accounts linked to the UAE are looking to discredit journalists and organisations that report on RSF atrocities, while Saudi-linked accounts are boosting the same content.

A Sudanese source briefed on the call between Mohammed bin Salman and Burhan said that the general told the crown prince there was no way the war in Sudan would end without US pressure on the UAE. The source told MEE that Mohammed bin Salman promised Burhan he would raise the issue with Trump.

An Arab diplomat in the region told MEE that Abu Dhabi is anticipating Mohammed bin Salman's visit to Washington to result in such pressure.
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Emirati journalist films with female RSF commander calling for mass rape of Sudanese women

If arabs and hitler had a kid it would look like RSF.

Courtesy of newsanon's thread

Emirati, Israeli and far-right influencers 'invented Christian killings in Sudan': Report

Beam Reports, a Sudanese investigative platform that combats disinformation, said in its latest report on Wednesday that after the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) paramilitary group seized control of el-Fasher in Darfur nearly a month ago, misleading content about the nature of events began to surface online in a "synchronised manner".

The objectives of the coordinated campaign, Beam Reports stated, included shifting blame of atrocities away from the RSF, recasting Sudan's war as a religious conflict to "evoke foreign sympathy", and flooding the online space with fabricated content to confuse media coverage.

Beam identified Amjad Taha, an Emirati analyst, as the architect of the campaign. He posted several claims about alleged Islamists in Sudan, which were then amplified by other accounts.

One claim alleged that Britain was about to grant citizenship to a "Sudanese jihadist" whilst "Christians are being slaughtered in Sudan and Nigeria by Islamist extremists".

Taha added that Sudan's army had "killed 2 million Christians, displaced 8 million, and raped 15,000 women, while leftists stay busy attacking the UAE… a nation where church bells ring freely".

Taha also claimed that a Sudanese army officer had "eaten a man's heart after killing him and his children". Again, no evidence was provided, but such claims were amplified by Emirati, Israeli and far-right accounts.
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The Sheikh Who Conquered Soccer and Coddles Warlords

The Emirati vice president is best known as the owner of Manchester City, a top English soccer team. Behind the scenes, he has been described as the “handler” guiding his country’s secret foreign wars.

https://archive.is/2dwMV

>Charities controlled by Sheikh Mansour set up a hospital, saying they were treating civilians. But that humanitarian effort was also a cover for the secret Emirati effort to smuggle drones and other powerful weapons to General Hamdan’s group, the Rapid Support Forces, or R.S.F., according to American and U.N. officials.

>Charities controlled by Sheikh Mansour set up a hospital, saying they were treating civilians. But that humanitarian effort was also a cover for the secret Emirati effort to smuggle drones and other powerful weapons to General Hamdan’s group, the Rapid Support Forces, or R.S.F., according to American and U.N. officials.

>In interviews with more than a dozen American, African and Arab officials, he is described as being at the sharp end of his country’s aggressive push to expand its influence across Africa and the Middle East.

>In places like Libya and Sudan, they say, Sheikh Mansour has coddled warlords and autocrats as part of a sweeping Emirati drive to acquire ports and strategic minerals, counter Islamist movements and establish the Gulf nation as a heavyweight regional power.

>President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, was allied with Iran, a fierce competitor with many Arab states for influence in the region. Sheikh Mansour was tasked with wooing him to the Emirati side, Sudanese and American officials said. A series of back-channel meetings culminated in 2017 with a high-profile visit by Mr. al-Bashir to Abu Dhabi.
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