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Political implications of more Americans converting to Catholicism?

The American right was heavily associated with Evangelical idpol for the past 50 years. They became the cultural backbone of the GOP from the 80s to the late 2000s. Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.

At the same time, it seems like leftists are embracing Catholicism too. Remember when everyone was convinced Pope Francis was a secret socialist? Jacobin mag goes out of their way with appealing to Catholics as well (every other article of theirs is something along the lines of: “Move over pink-haired bipolar feminist queers, here’s why the Catholic Church are the REAL socialists!”). People like Dorothy Day are propped up even though her actual contributions to the American left were minimal and symbolic at best (the Catholic Worker also referred to the priests killed by /ourguys/ in Catalonia as “martyrs” which is disgusting). Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.

But anyway, if Catholicism becomes a major cultural force in America in the next few years how do you see it affecting the political landscape?
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>>2545410
i would describe this as a form of protestant catholicism, like the tradcath autism that promotes sola scriptura over the lived tradition of the church

>>2545429
TradCaths go by tradition as well. They simply believe Vatican II was illegitimate.

>>2545432
>the pope is infallible, until he isnt
seems inconsistent, which is why sedevacantism is equally sprawled. who is the "true" pope?

This shit is fucking hilarious.

>>2409326
i'm convinced 99% of these are just kids of latin american immigrants going through an identity crisis

>>2545410
>p-please continue financing my pedophile ring p-p-please



 

Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2547140
>he doesn't know about the indigenous tribes displaced by Mormon colonization
>he doesn't know that Brigham Young instituted the enslavement of Native Americans in Utah in 1852
>perhaps he knows about the reform the Church underwent in 1978.
>he doesn't know about the Mormon tour guides in Central America who falsify the history of colonized peoples.

>>2432932
The Utah question can be easily solved through gerrymandering and land back. Carve the state up with large swaths going to indigenous peoples with the rest being divided between Colorado and Nevada. Problem solved.

>>2547744
On the contrary, Utah is a perfect example of why the US needs to be split into 50 unique countries, maybe with a few borders redrawn here and there.

>>2559870
>US needs to be split into 50 unique countries
What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?

>>2559870
The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.



 

Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.

With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).

And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.

They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
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>>2537358
So much this. All rightoids secretly want an big exotic foreign cock up their ass. If they got the BBC treatment, they'd stop being such treatlers.

>>2412679
Call them anti-social retards and move on


>>2518242
Muh leaderless resistance in the year of our fuhrer 2025

What if we tried being racist? Not in the "TND, deport all the Latinxbraps, goat fuckers and darkies, Hail 1488th Reich, Save Le VVest" but "Diversity and inclusion clearly do not work and multiculturalism is a failure, let's assimilate every immigrant, only Western liberal culture should exist". The chuds hate the customs of many migrants and how parts of diasporas try to replicate whatever hellholes they escape + Latinxes, Indians and SEAs are largely rightoid and chuddy, so we shouldn't side with them.

>>2559872
get outta here



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2557147
>junge Fachkräfte
Wen meint sie damit?

>>2558231
Christian Lindner

>>2557147
Gesichtsausdruck wie der Typ in dem Video von Heaven's Gate

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Das Deutsche Justizsystems ist einfach nur ein Mickey-Mouse-Verein.



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The surveillance and general crackdown on muslims during the GWOT was fucking crazy. Look at some of these FBI guidelines for profiling "extremists" and justifying repression:

>Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection

Can't grow a suspicious beard or name your kid mohamed
>Wearing (or compelling others to wear) burqas with face coverings
Can't wear religious clothing
>Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.
Gotta listen to NPR I guess
>Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremist content
Ridiculously vague
>Other speech and acts of extremism
Basically a justification to spy and harass anyone for any reason
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>>2556272
> Frankly I'm surprised he even managed to get insurance that covered terrorist attacks, that's like getting flood insurance in Florida
you're surprised a billionaire was exempt from the usual limitations?


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All of those are rational and if you understood Islamic history you'd know that extreme Salafist/Wahhabist really only came out as a result of the British toppling the Ottoman empire by purposely aiding the most reactionary sects. That's always been the standard, disruptive foreign policy to enable the most reactionary sects to overthrow the more secular States. It happened in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya…

>Spreading religious fanaticism through irregular beards or name selection

It's not that naming your kid Muhammad is illegal. It's that if you're born Kyle Brown and one day you suddenly grow a 5-foot beard and name yourself Ahmad Al-Bashur Muhammad, you put on a bright red flag.

>Wearing (or compelling others to wear) burqas with face coverings

First off, no they're not "religious clothing" like a Mormon's underwear. They're specific, cultural clothing from Arabia, that these radical sects started mandating as mandatory for all Muslims. Furthermore, it's not a "woman's choice" when they are forced into making that choice out of pain of social abandonment, torture, or death as is the case in the rural areas of particularly backwards regions. Burkas only became mandated in regions in the last 100 years. You don't care about women's rights if you defend Burqa because it is an emblem of patriarchal control and that's clear to anyone who isn't a bleeding heart, liberal guilt moron.

>Interfering with cultural and recreational activities, rejecting or refusing public goods and services such as radio and television.

I can't find this one anywhere because it needs to be elaborated on. I'll speak on what I think it means from your abstract.

This doesn't happen but it's theoretically about if Muslims started taking to the street demanding women to go home at a parade or whatever. People are free to be Muslim, but you can't impose that on people, and I would want the same thing done to Christians or Hindus.

>Publishing, printing, distributing, selling, producing, downloading, storing, reproducing, accessing, copying, or possessing articles, publications, audio or video with extremist content

No, anon. They cannot publish ISIS recruitment videos. This is idiotic to be angry about.
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>>2559867
Forgot the other picture. But seriously, stop reducing all Islamic culture down to whatever liberal, revisionist ideal you have in your head. Regardless of the crimes the USA has committed – which mostly involves toppling secularizing leaders like what they did in Iraq – it doesn't mean that Jihadi John is misunderstood. There's been attempts within Muslim society to adopt some social democratic ideals, which involves some secularization and it should be defended against Wahhabi style oppression. Blindly defending that religious reaction means you don't actually care about the people and just have some terminal "anti-America" view even if it means ISIS executing people for singing.

>>2559867
Lol it literally is China's guidelines, the thread is a jebaiting. Though we know the US had some similarly harsh surveillance on Muslims especially in the years after 9/11



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Post the videos fagget. Also nice job creating double theda

>>2559803
What are you talking about?



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Is this what "theory" is? Some old guy droning on and on about banks, oil stocks and other shit I don't give a shit about? If that's the case, I'm out.

goodbye, and kill yourself on the way out



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THE IDEAL WINNING 2028 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM

As a supporter of the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, I obviously realize that the Democrats are a Controlled Opposition Party who exist to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of Naw Afrika, Aztlan, the First Nations, inside the U$ corralled and controlled, while the dominant ruling Crypto-Fascist Christian Zionist Nationalist MAGAtard Republicans transform the U$ into a Full-Blown Fascist Police State, which combined with the fact that the U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

However, as I have stated many timPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2493380
I don't really understand the meaning of the King Lear username in this satire. In the Shakespeare play, "King Lear divides his kingdom among the two daughters who flatter him and banishes the third one who loves him. His eldest daughters both then reject him at their homes, so Lear goes mad and wanders through a storm." What's the connection, is it just that both characters are crazy?

>>2546908
The Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist analysis that provides the foundation for my Social Democratic, Social Progressive, and Non-Interventionist “Ideal Winning 2028 Democratic Platform” is not satirical, it is a 100% serious elucidation of my sincerely held beliefs, and my username “King Lear” is both a homage to the fact that I believe Shakespeare‘s King Lear is the greatest work of literature ever written and a symbolic reference to the fact that King Lear was the first literary work with an explicitly Atheist theme, with Marx saying that “the criticism of Religion is the foundation of all criticism”, thus you could say that King Lear’s subtle attack on Religion in its Crypto-Atheistic theme of Nihilism and Hopelessness in a chaotic Godless world, was a very early vague and tenuous prerequisite for the Atheistic Dialectical Materialist philosophy of Marxism, which is why I feel that King Lear was the greatest work of Literature ever written, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2546933
I was going to call satire until you actually explained the King Lear thing in a way that makes too much sense to be a joke

>>2525627
>“Tor” is a CIA/NSA/FBI Honeypot created by U$ Naval Intelligence, so I don’t think I need to say anymore about the merits of viewing “Tor” as some kind of “Anonymous” Internet, when in reality their are ZERO websites on the Internet that are not fully accessible to Glowies because the entire Internet itself emerged out of the U$ Military ARPANET project
LOW-ORBIT TRUTH RAY

Bump, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547121
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, anyone who reads King Lear against the grain realizes that it has a much deeper meaning than just being a parable about a crazy old King attempting to divide his Kingdom between his three daughters, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547122
Thanks for the compliment Comrade, it is really quite absurd that the whole ARPENET thing has not clued in more people about who really controls the entire Internet, and it is even more asinine that these same people who have not figured out who runs the Internet, believe that the Naval Intelligence Honeytrap for dummies known as “Tor”, is “Anonymous” in any way, shape, or form, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!



 

>By the spring of 2024, a newly sober Isenberg felt like she could finally stop performing all the time and just be herself, a complex human being who was still learning. She planned to spend the summer living with her parents while saving up money. In the fall, she would become the first person in her family to attend a four-year college. Then she got pregnant.

>The news brought a “sense of dread,” says Isenberg. Her first thought was strong and immediate: I’m not going to have a baby. After a friend had described having an abortion, Isenberg’s own mindset had started to shift. She’d begun to think of herself as pro-choice. It wouldn’t be the end of the world, she thought, if I had an abortion. This is something I’m allowed to do.


>It may seem strange that Isenberg would reach out to Turner in this moment. But she was feeling stressed, sick, and confused and wanted to have a backup plan just in case she didn’t go through with the abortion. She knew Turner—who’d also recently left PAAU but whose politics were growing more, not less, conservative—would try to talk her out of it, but she’d also recently seen Turner using her social media platforms to raise money for pregnant women and mothers in need. Isenberg had less than $100 in her bank account. If she changed her mind, she would be in dire need of financial help.


>“I was also thinking, This is Kristin Turner, the girl I was friends with,” remembers Isenberg. “I wasn’t thinking, She is acting as a vessel for people who are much more powerful than her.”


>Turner put Isenberg in touch with an organization that gave money to women with “crisis pregnancies.” She also asked for Isenberg’s address so she could send her a care package and promised a McDonald’s breakfast if Isenberg agreed to get her ultrasound at a crisis pregnancy center instead of the Charlotte Planned Parenthood (Isenberg declined the latter).


>Isenberg expected Turner and members of PAAU to offer her “counseling” and a lecture on the psychological impacts of abortion and how carrying out a pregnancy is a “nonviolent choice.” She assumed they’d ask their Instagram followers to “say a prayer for my friend who’s chosen the heartbreak of abortion,” as she’d once posted for others. But she believed that in the end, they’d respect he
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>>2559332
>American woman
she's a former anti-abortion activist. this is all she ever wanted

>>2559597
She quit PAAU and changed her views before this happened.

>>2559346
Fascism is better than a fake democracy, fascism is honest.

>>2559332
Charlotte should sue the fuck out of PAAU. That's what I would do if I was in her position.

>>2559396
I fucking hate TradCaths.



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why are libertarians in western countries generally anti-NATO and skeptical of “the west”? i’ve noticed this a lot, especially in the u.s., libertarians who reject the entire post-WWII western order: nato, imf, cia, military, the whole thing. they see it as global bureaucracy and corporate imperialism, not “freedom.” curious what others think i think it's very interesting

It’s because the liberal narrative is that all that shit exists to help, support, protect, etc the world outside the west, I.e charity which libertarians despise. Lolberts are completely placated by any right-wing politician giving them a wink behind the mask in saying
>oh also of course our protection is dependent on access to their resources/market/government and being under our protection is non-negotiable

>>2558881
Why would you ask that question here? Try reading their blogs or watching their videos

>>2558898
This slop is the best you're going to get on this website, just assholes seething. People here are too dumb to understand the arguments for libertarianism, which are fairly simple

>>2559805
Simple, perhaps, but propertarianism is still obviously a joke.

Check here

Antiwar.com is an American political website founded in 1995 that describes itself as devoted to non-interventionism and as opposing imperialism and war. It has a right-wing libertarian perspective and is a project of the Randolph Bourne Institute. The website states that it is "fighting the next information war”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiwar.com

Antiwar.com

Because libertarians are rich entitled spoiled children and our neoliberal system which already caters to their every demand is not enough for them; they want more. They will always want more.



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