/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2386744
>optica
You're white and liberal (there is nothing wrong with that)

t. brown communist

>>2387001
we have to free wemon by forcing them to dress a specific way lol

>>2387543
The zionist amerikkkan approach of freeing women: Bomb them, then you don't have to see them in clothes you don't like

>>2387613
>>2387543
and then, an anti-communist screen caps these posts: >>2387001, >>2386969, >>2386936, distributes them across normal people, and now the regular people will be scared falsely about what communism is.
>le communism is when we wear western-like clothes like uniforms only.
one points out this, how ridiculous that is, how that difficult people to listen to you, and I got called "lib", "white", etc. because surely those people have faced working class ever in their lives.

>>2333844
Neither, they're just undersocialized. They live in an imaginary world with imaginary enemies

Do you think black and brown people have empathy for white people? If a white kid was riding his bike through a black neighborhood and got hit by a bus black people would just laugh at him and piss on his corpse. Why would I be dumb enough to empathize with those people. In Spain a group of 3 North Africans attacked a 68 year old man and now Spanish men are going around beating up migrants. Are they dumb troglodytes for exercising common solidarity with each other

>>2386998
Every "subspecies" shows that it's compatible with developing rich socialist history so it's irrelevant to our interests

>>2387549
woah based. hope you send every shitskin invader back, spaniard

>>2387060
there is confusion here
atheism concerns "theos"
paganism generally concerns "ethos"
thats why when atheists get a bit spicy they call themselves pagan, but it is really an ethical attitude.
>the road freedom from religious thinking
man is a religious animal. trying to escape one deity just puts you in the jaws of another. thats why agnosticism is the most rational and open position.

>communism is about abolishing things I don't like

Retarded

I guess the USSR was never aspiring towards communism then. Neither was China, or North Korea or Cuba or Vietnam.

>>2387016
I think I got it but I cannot quite explain it satisfactorily.
I mean, I don't know about negation and negation of the negation and all that.
The superseding of religious belief is not rejection but something else. "A secret third option".
Superstition is superseded by the end of superstition. Religion in concrete terms will cease to exist in the institutional sense. We do not need cloisters, monasteries or preachers as we do not labor under the delusion that some guy has a special relationship to the supernatural, the holy.
However, here's where it gets a bit tricky.
>Unconscious metaphysics tends to be bad metaphysics.
The mundane is the spiritual and the Spiritual is mundane. As a layman I feel like this makes the most sense. It's a "how could it be any other way?" "Well, naturally" type of deal. I am far from a theologian but smart or religiously educated is where I heard this from. One being Gabor Maté who I heard mention this in a video I do not quite remember the name or topic of. Or Buddhadasa, who became controversial for what I believe is a rather similar approach. In the end it turns out to be a distinction without a difference.
Or I suppose with Spinoza: God is the world and the world is God.
Trying to bring it back to the "abolish" term or "supersede" or transcend (go beyond), this is one example of two opposites "cancelling each other" (not quite).

>>2387294
Atheism is the rational position. Hard agnositicism "I literally can't know if God exists or not" is not rational, because such people dont give proof why the existence of God is unknowable

>>2385953
>3. His tendency started the (anarchoid-)"councilism" degeneration
That's the point, OP flaunts councilism and fails to distinguish it from council communism.
The tard doesn't even know councils is the same as soviets.

>>2386248
Why are Stalinists consistently staunch anti-intellectuals is my genuine question?

Modern stalinists specifically seem intent on being the polyps of the communist movement, it’s just absurd to see people so pathologically attached very specifically to failure

Why do you frame successful socialism as simply doing capitalism competently and make that the entire horizon of specifically the 21st Century’s future?

I don’t expect you to respond honestly or even rationally, but I’ll take a chance since even five years ago MLs were less shamelessly moronic and dishonest

>>2386468
doubling down in acting assmad about the non-existant crimes of stalin is not the infalible strategy to defeat ML you think it is

>>2384151
>>2383128
>Council communists are not anarchists at all
that anon is confusing earlier councilcoms like pannekoek with later thinkers like Gilles Dauve and various other more minor french thinkers

Councilcoms were libertarian Marxists that argued strongly in favour of workers' councils as opposed to party dictatorship.
Bordigists were ultra-Leninists.
They were both anti-parliamentarian, against participating in bureaucratic trade unions, and generally against natlib. As a result both get lumped together as left-communists.

>>2387576
So Syria is becoming a colonial settler state?

>>2387576
>Chinese
they're turk terrorists

>>2387608
Unfortunately Walid just cannot come to terms with Hezbollah or any of its partners

>>2387193
Truly not understanding venn diagrams and needing to believe in collective guilt or collective virtue is the #1 sign of reactionary metaphysical idealist thinking. I know an individual needs reeducation or worse the moment I observe it

>>2387559
What’s the weather like in Tel Aviv?

>It seems to me that rather than smashing mills the Luddites should have leaked the mill designs and trade secrets to their employer's competitors.

The rival companies would not touch the stolen IP and will just report the perpetrator to the police. No one wants to break IP laws because they don't want their own IP to be stolen. I guess some truly hopeless incompetent company might be tempted but govts don't fuck around with IP laws, if they get caught their company will likely be fined to death and executives will be arrested. It's one of the few laws under capitalism where being a big company or a billionaire won't save you if you break it.

>>2387108
A huge part of Deleuze and Guattari's work, especially Anti-Oedipus is deeply embedded in the context of the New Left and its reaction to postwar institutions like psychiatry, the nuclear family, etc.

One of the biggest problems of the new left was reorienting the left from class to identity and from materialist analysis to poetic metaphysics. This sort of vitalist mysticism depoliticizes theory and turns it into symbolic disruption and identity performance.

>>2385120
its both i.e. sublation

>>2385896
OK so you're just shilling for more "left-wing" reforms within bourgeois electoralism

Revolution will happen when critical mass of people read and properly undersrtand deleuze, prove me wrong

>>2387480
Deleuze also has a habit of pushing people into a right wing schizo pipeline like Russell Brand and Nick Land

Bordiga is a meme

>>2386914
>uh he did a math tho.
war calculus is the lowest shit to do in a war, everyone does it but you get shit like modern russia and the eternal two more weeks.

>>2387567
What?

>>2387569
what there is more to say ?, calculating war removes human mistakes or sedentionism like the french army surrender from math because they can't be easily predicted, just like the predictions that the Ukraine would only last 2 more weeks was made because of these types of calculations.

>>2386397
>The struggle between the bourgeois class and the aristocracy, which does NOT mean ideological-political struggle, it means economic, material struggle.
The different sections of the upper class, profiting from different forms of surplus, will necessarily have different moral frameworks to justify their social standing. "Materialism" doesn't mean that ideology doesn't exist.

>>2387414
True, it can also backslide into barbarism and decades of stagnation. Moreover, a socialist system that emerges can always open up new territories which can then be captured by a re-emerging capital.

>>2387486
What point are you trying to make?

The fundamental reason why capitalism has to end is because the process of having people selling their labour in a competitive market in order to buy food to live on, depends on the bourgeoisie needing to actually buy people’s labour hours, given an abundance of automated productive capacity that necessity of purchasing labour power diminishes into nothing.

Thus society ends up in the bizarre scenario where no one can earn a salary to live on and these abundance producing automatons have produced stuff of such little value that even if people had salaries to buy any of the produce, it would cease to have been profitable anyway. So the masses are starving to death because there’s no work to be done while the bourgeoisie are going out of business because their trillion dollar commodity printer will never turn a profit producing things at a value of essentially naught.


Everyone therefore dies despite the existence of machines that produce enough to satisfy all supplying all needs and wants up to any amount of demand.

>>2385880
You're right because workers turn out in Chile is non existent. Those who vote socdem are liberals and fascists.

>>2386567
I'm not being ironic in case western radlibs think I'm on their team

>>2386507
>there's plenty of things a president can do on their own.
Depends on the country. Not sure about Chile but at least here presidency is just ceremonial position and parliament has all the power.

>>2386502
>>2386507
I am not even an electoralist, just pointing out Boric is in this position not because of his personal or ideological choices, but because of the parliament given to him.