/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2597656
>>socialist construction
Also known as selling your workers to foreign capital so kimmy and his backers get to have a new pool

>>2597657
whatever you and your imperialist propaganda say

>>2597659
My country is currently occupied by imperialists that you no doubt support

>>2597657
>Foreign capital
Which foreign capital? The houses they build for their own people that no foreigner or foreign corporation can own? Are you retarded?

>>2597644
How many times are you going to post this dumb article?

I like him.

Apparently Stalin respected some Tsars and they’re generals.

>>2596556
I second Lincoln and Brown, and I'd like to also add Silas Soule who was a young ally of John Brown who was assassinated for refusing to participate in the slaughter of Native Americans, as well as the three American soldiers who ended the My Lai massacre, and finally John Kehoe and the rest of the Molly Maguires.

>>2596549
>Stalin gobbled western imperialism dick
We are aware

>>2596575
revolting is one thing
ruling after the revolt is another

I do not mean this as a shitty4chan troll, but we saw similar things elsewhere (Mugabe in Zim, Idi Amin in Uganda). One must be able to honor and approve of the anti-colonial struggle while disapproving of the the governance post-independence.
I would assume that would be the case for most people. Rarely do you get a man who is equally good at fighting and governing. These are the exceptions.

>>2597646
yes, and no.
they are only permitted to create it in proportion to minimum capital requirements (i.e. the rate of equity), but effectively, yes, money is deposited into accounts by the press of a button, often automatically. accprding to the bank of england website, 80% of all money is digital, with only 3% being cash.

>>2597483
>and yet 20 yards of linen are not a coat
they have the same magnitude of value, is marx's point. the value-form (Ax = By) operates on two poles; A and B are the use-value of a commodity (e.g. linen and coats), x and y are their quantities (e.g. 20 and 1). the reason why 20 of A equates with 1 of B in exchange (e.g. why they have the same price) is because to marx, they have the same amount of SNLT, which is expressed by their exchange-value (i.e. "value").
>>2597502
to marx, only in the macro do values and prices equate, by the general rate of profit.

>>2597649
The other 17% is in my ass

>>2597649
and was this the case too before digitization? Like before 1850s, did banks do something simmilar?

>>2597655
yes. bank notes have been used in europe since the 17th century, which is also when we first get central banking (1668, 1694). its notes in exchange for gold and silver that allows for fractional reserves, since notes circulate at a greater rate than they would be exchanged for their equity (e.g. precious metal), so lending can be expanded beyond deposits. joseph story ("commentary on the law of bailments", 1832) comments that fractional reserve banking was the norm by the 19th century. the only risk associated with this practice was "bank runs", where withdrawal would outpace depositing, leading to a lack of reserves. this also occured in 1929.

>>2597548
There we go. Stop bitching about Prison of Nations then.

>>2597548
Or in simple terms, they want their share of the imperial plunder.

>>2597443
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>>2597551
Did you not notice all of the New Afrikan flags flown during the George Floyd Protests and every other Black/New Afrikan uprising against Police Brutality, and all of the Mexican flags flown at the Anti-ICE protests in LA (their were even signs saying that the Southwest U$ should be returned to Mexico), and almost every Native American Tribe supports having Sovereignty/Autonomy, so I think you are the ones that are in denial about the Material reality that the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations seek Self-Determination in their own New Afrikan SSR, Hispano-American SFSR, and Native American ASSRs of the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2596118
I will answer your questions because I am the one who originally wrote this Dialectical Materialist Analysis Effort Post about the Material conditions in the U$, which the OP shamelessly plagiarized (I appreciate that he likes my Effort Posts, I just wish that he would acknowledge my work), and these two scenarios are literally the only ways Communism can be constructed in the 21st Century, with the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism being much more likely then the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism, because Trump will probably use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend Bourgeois Liberal Democracy, with the elimination of the Controlled Opposition U$ Democrats meaning that the U$ will probably launch World War III to eliminate China, the Global Controlled Opposition that is essentially the Global Democrats, with this escalating into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allow for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, TurkePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2597443
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>>2597627
Additionally, this video from Black Red Guard gives a great short explanation for why New Afrikans desire Self-Determination in their own SSR separate from the White Settler population, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️

>>2597630
I do not take lessons from DSA social-facists.

>>2597609
NTA but just so you know, the left in america went through this little kerfuffle and we sorted it out because it turns out you can be "woke" (basic rights for lgtq and trans people) AND focus on economics. It's just a culture shock for other countries like yours that haven't gone through it yet.
Your left is libbing out a bit, but they'll figure it out like ours did. You're just behind a couple years. My advice to you is to work on synthesizing the new ideas that the people (who just happen to not be you) actually want included, into the broad left consciousness.
It's messy, and you're upset that it isn't strategic, but that's what happens sometimes when there's a big grassroots shift in mass political focus.
But it's not a psyop. It's a legitimate, emergent new consciousness that happens to have rainbow flags and shit. There are going to be a TON of libs (not socialists) trying to have their spin on it, and it's going to suck ass for a while. In the USA this was manifested in "if you don't vote for Hillary you're a fucking rapist misogynist" type shit. Schizo-feminism etc. But all that got sorted and now we're normal about it.

>>2597609
>>2597621
also can you actually list the woke idpol bullshit you're talking about? That could mean a lot of things lmao.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just trying to be pragmatic here and upset because the order of operations were off as far as praxis to maintain power

>>2597609
95% of your time is spent railing against idpol rather than promoting economic socialism. The purpose of the anti-idpol rule is not to prevent /leftypol/ users tediously posting "trans rights are human rights" (the nature of the board works against that), it is to prevent pointless and derailing discussion of the sort you regularly promote. The anti-idpol rule annoys you because it correctly captures your obsession with identity politics while allowing people to remain in-line with current social norms among young, sane people (e.g. not obsessively anti-transgender, not obsessively pro-transgender either, but certainly anti-anti transgender…)
You are not primarily focused on economic issues. I am always fair and honest, so if you were to take the sum total of my posts I think you'd find I'm much more interested in sociology than economics. (Been there, done that, got nothing for it.) My posts almost certainly reflect that, and I'm happy to set that up against your anti-left obsessions any day. The "purity test" is not that you believe these things, it is that you are not capable of shutting up about your beliefs. In (say) the thread about whether deflation is good or not, I am capable of suppressing my urge to talk about the bizarre petit-bourgeois nature of that obsession and focusing purely on the economics of deflation. You, on the other hand, can't resist ranting and raving about completely irrelevant topics and obvious personal obsessions (yes yes, everyone is /r/socialism) to the detriment of any economic points you care to make. (Which for all the bluff and bluster, often seem to come back to "the 2017 Labour manifesto was good")

It's an aside, but: I suspect the datedness of your references is another reason you're excluded. You can't keep up. All the specific nuances of the latest woke euphemism or buzzword or whatever pass you by instead of being understood intuitively, or at least by the third pass. If you can't even absorb that /r/socialism is a 2016-era bogeyman on /leftypol/ and run with something more modern, you're really going to struggle when woke decides it's colonialist to use British spellings except in 6 specifically designated cases where it's colonialist to use american ones. The whole thing is, quite possibly, just one big test for this kind of mental flexiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2597621
Holy effortpost and much respect. Wish I could write as well as you. I kneel

>>2597621
>they'll figure it out like ours did.
lmao so the 'left' in america is serious now? You still have no left, 'comrade'.

There is nothing more American than perfomatively hating America tbh

>>2597206
Wow Marx and Engels describing exactly what I said, which crucially isn’t the workers mystically becoming the ruling class (ruling over whom?)

Maybe stop simultaneously conflating Marx/Engels with Vladimir Lenin and the historical conditions of the proletariat existing in the minority in Russia to the point of an entire general theory applicable to capitalism; even if the only actual context where this formulation of “DOTP” as “workers becoming the ruling class” only *barely* makes sense in a society where the proletariat are a small amount of the population embedded in a vast peasant hinterlands

You should ask yourself crucially what the fuck could the proletariat “rule” the bourgeoisie to do? Oh yea, nothing, because they aren’t laborers, aren’t most of the population, and only play the rule of coordinating the functions of capital. The problem is that the function of capital itself has to be abolished, transcended, through said revolutionary process. The actual problem with how you envision a “DOTP” is that it implies the reproduction of the proletariat, rather than recognizing that the existence of the proletariat is the most critical factor in reproducing the capital system, not the existence of the bourgeoisie.

Things to consider

>>2597193
True

>>2597193
New Afrikan culture does not exist. Sorry. There is only American culture: an eclectic unicorn-vomit.

>>2597549
>New Afrikan culture doesn’t exist!
<What is jazz
You sound like a euroshit cousin-fucker
Maybe get some fucking sunlight and a dentist while you’re at it

Euroshits are too arrogant for subhumans that most of humanity rightfully wants to tear limb from limb

>>2597393
What they did?

>>2597393
does he know?

Why is Aryan Fuentes fraternising with a Muslim Uyghur?

Israelis are mad

>>2597554
so called "white supremacists" and "nazis" who rhetorically position themselves as "anti-establishment" ultimately toe the imperialist line, duh.

I'm constantly annoyed by so called "communists" pointing out "hypocrisy" because it demonstrates a kind of liberal idealist frame of mind: taking what individuals profess at face value instead of examining the material relations.

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>>2592146
MFP is alright as a party.

>>2592204
dude that parties banned

>>2592205
Nah they created another party, People's Party.

Cambodia has now shut down its border crossings.

Thailand halts fuel shipments to Laos because supplies are being given to the Cambodian war machine.

a bunch of planning talks from the 2023 Gesellschaft für Informatik festival have been uploaded:
https://www.indep.network/recorded-talks-of-cyberplan-workshop-uploaded-to-indep-youtube-channel/

Cockshott has been posting videos less and less frequently lately. Someone should block his twitter account, he wastes too much time bickering with Zionists there.

>>2597575
he's said he's run out of ideas for videos

>>2597576
Here's a good idea: a series of videos on Das Kapital. Where the main ideas of each chapter are summarised and presented in a specifically cybernetic framework (that is, ignoring all the cultural and historic references etc, and going straight into the vectors and matrices).

>>2597577
not a bad idea. email it to him

America has shot itself. But this is also a thing in western europe. Fewer foreign students. Fewer tourists. America asking people outside of America to provide biometric ID and several years of social media history is the final straw. Nobody has the right to call China obscenely authoritarian again.

Nothing special about Asians. The masses of Blacks and Latinos will fill the hole, and who knows, maybe even surpass the productivity of Asians.

>>2597521
This excellent news if the brain drain towards USA drops.