/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2581920
>radical leftist ideologies like Marxism and anarchism are still considered niche/novelty

There seems be this push to keep it that way. It takes the form of American communists/anarchists going out of the way to be as repulsive and off-putting to possible to normies.

>>2581966
>You are all homosexuals who have never touched a woman in your life.
It'll change once I touch you babe.

>>2575163
> All I hear are stories about how Sally is a CSA survivor who was molested by her stepfather at age eight and can’t work a regular job due to her CPTSD, or how Timmy has all sorts of religious trauma from growing up in an Evangelical household.

You engage with their problems. I recommend Sally Engels on the origin of the family https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm , also Angela Davis https://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/davis-angela/housework.htm , also Harry Braverman's "Labor and Monopoly Capital".

IDK enough about Marxist analysis of religion and Evangelical Christianity. I know there's a few books on how big business created the religious right and more than a few works on ideology.

> They can't read

Give them Socialism for All / S4A ☭ Intensify Class Struggle https://on.soundcloud.com/EbE1vSOrchDfe8QxTs and other resources.

> a thousand mental illnesses
I recommend Robert Chapman's "Empire of Normality". I've also heard good things about Althusser and Bruce Cohen's "Psychiatric Hegemony". I also recommend Vierkant and Adler-Bolton's "Health Communism: A Surplus Manifesto". There's actually some fairly good work on Marxism and disability.

>>2581993
I forgot also that plenty of work on the reserve industrial army and the lumpen is very relevant to capitalism. I strongly recommend looking into Black Marxist work as well. One article I particularly like is Eldridge Cleaver's "On Lumpen Ideology". IDK I liked some Maoist work on the lumpen even though I find their analysis of the Western labor aristocracy and the family lacking.

>>2581984
Part of me wonders if this is why there are so many t girls in the western left. They all couldn't get laid so they became girls to bang other t girls. Shit if I was younger and didn't stumble onto pussy I probably would have too.

>>2581878
Just call them Nazis, it’s more accurate

>>2581915
Okay, fair enough, i'll join in the week.

>Amendment 3 – Appointing a Workers’ Movement Commission to strengthen relationships with trade unions
<Accept 82..64% (typo theirs)
<Reject 17.36%
What was the contention on this?

<picrel
what does this mean practically, exactly?

>>2581527
Another trune L, time to rope I think xixters

>>2581145
>ruling class tries to abolish juries
They are afraid. A spectre is haunting Britain. The spectre of sortition.

>>2581699
No, everyone down here fucking hates Venezuela, thanks to the migrant/refugee crisis they cause (millions of people escaping + export of the VZ extremely violent bands)

>>2581576
>>2581639
Are you gonna switch off tor and then cry like a bitch like in your threads here:
>>2580376
>>2580201
Or are you gonna praise Unit 731 again?

>>2581982
sad but true

Mexican President, Claudia Sheinbaum: "We support Venezuela in the face of US aggression"

The Mexican president, Claudia Sheinbaum, reaffirmed Mexico's support for Venezuela's sovereignty and rejected any military intervention, following the new actions ordered by Donald Trump, including the closure of Venezuelan airspace.

>>2581982
>No, everyone down here fucking hates Venezuela, thanks to the migrant/refugee crisis they cause (millions of people escaping + export of the VZ extremely violent bands)
Ah yes, the "making the economy scream" school of economics and sociology. So many Spaniards subscribe to this as well, we are a big recipient of Venezuelan refugees. And we are officially hosting the old guy, the Machado stand-in US glowie whose name I can't be bothered to google right now.

Between this and looking the other way while Israeli weapons use our ports freely (not to speak of NATO genocide accomplice ships) it's a wonder the government hasn't gone full NATOid nazi, in public, yet. We have like a few culture war wedge issues going on repeat for the last year and people are just fucking dumb to never question anything that the TV doesn't show. It's like a holding pattern in-between across the spectrum embezzling and NATO whoring.
Every cycle of wokescolding and culture-war in lieu of politics makes the local crop of atlanticist fascist so much stronger and normalized. Give it another election cycle and we may be begging for our own Machado.

>>2573997
it's true that american soldiers raped a lot of local women (and sometimes men), in any land they've stepped their foot on. how does being partially a martial rape baby change anything in this case?

>>2574002
My grandpa never went overseas. Although his wife was from Russia. They were both the same religion Seventh Day Adventist. My family kinda escaped the Commies but it's no hard-feelings.

You "Asians" are so funny. My Grandpa's brother worked pro-bono to introduce you all to birth-control.

Jakarta takes #1 spot as largest city in the world

>>2407507
Yeah bro that woman and guy are three metres tall. Why are "white" americans so annoying when it comes to asians and other brown people? We in Europe don't do that shit, I think it stems from american inferiority complexes towards white Europeans.

>>2578738
Smith Anon believes exchange ratios equate to value (SNLT) ratios. Smith Anon missed the announcement in Capital Book I that this is not so and that this point will be developed in Book III of Capital.

>>2578042
<The grouping of the various value portions of a commodity which only replace the value of the capital expended in its production under the head of cost-price expresses, on the one hand, the specific character of capitalist production. The capitalist cost of the commodity is measured by the expenditure of capital, while the actual cost of the commodity is measured by the expenditure of labour. Thus, the capitalist cost-price of the commodity differs in quantity from its value, or its actual cost-price.
Chapter one.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch01.htm

Smith Anon hasn't read Book III. Not even the first chapter. (By the way I also don't believe he read Book I. He has attention deficit disorder. He just poked around in it, pulled some quotes, and stored them for later use together with some key words. Since then his mind has deteriorated even further and now he just goes through these "conversations" with his NPC graph. Not only does he not remember the broader context of these quotes, he doesn't even remember the context window of the sentences right before and after. Actually, he doesn't even read the quotes he copy-pastes. He sees a trigger word and seeks to retrieve something with that label. What's next in his intellectual development? I suppose he will streamline the process by not reading whole trigger words and just go by the first letter.)

>>2580366
so… what is the argument? 🤔
what is the difference between exchange-value ratios and value ratios? oh wait, you already said that you dont know. as i have perfectly demonstrated, the ratio between values in exchange (SNLT) is their price. if A = B = £2, this is its amount in SNLT.
>Thus, the capitalist cost-price of the commodity differs in quantity from its value, or its actual cost-price.
yes… what the cost is to the capitalist (c+v) is not the cost of total production, which is its "actual cost-price", or value (c+v+s):
<The value of every commodity produced in the capitalist way is represented in the formula: C = c + v + s.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch01.htm
thus, the value of the total commodity is factored by surplus value, which may equalise a rate of profit by combining capitals, as i have already shown: total price = total value. you can read this here if youre still confused: >>2578826
here's an explanation of the chart:
<Taken together, the commodities are sold at 2 + 7 + 17 = 26 above, and 8 + 18 = 26 below their value, so that the deviations of price from value balance out one another through the uniform distribution of surplus-value, or through addition of the average profit of 22 per 100 units of advanced capital to the respective cost-prices of the commodities I to V.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
total price = total value. hope this helps 🙂

>>2581141
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

>>2549046
The point Marx is making is about abstract labor and "abstract value", i.e. what does it mean to value something, rather than regarding value merely as a convenience for exchange in some token. Even if you didn't have money as such in any form, you'd still have the same problem of value presented as something different. The planner of a socialist economy still has to deal with value, exploitation, and all of the things that are required to get something out of labor.

>>2578826
>here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
If you ever get around, for the first time in your life, to read a whole paragraph of Marx, let it be the one that you just quoted from here. Note that the deviations in the following do not refer to temporary supply-demand fluctuations, but how parts systematically diverge from the total average:
<Taken together, the commodities are sold at 2 + 7 + 17 = 26 above, and 8 + 18 = 26 below their value, so that the deviations of price from value balance out one another through the uniform distribution of surplus-value, or through addition of the average profit of 22 per 100 units of advanced capital to the respective cost-prices of the commodities I to V. One portion of the commodities is sold above its value in the same proportion in which the other is sold below it. And it is only the sale of the commodities at such prices that enables the rate of profit for capitals I to V to be uniformly 22%, regardless of their different organic composition. The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production. They have as their prerequisite the existence of a general rate of profit, and this, again, presupposes that the rates of profit in every individual sphere of production taken by itself have previously been reduced to just as many average rates. These particular rates of profit = s/C in every sphere of production, and must, as occurs in Part I of this book, be deduced out of Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2581951
Stand up join the to bullies union

Thanks News Anon

Puerto Rico holds hearings on proposed power bill increases as customers fume and outages persist
Residents are balking as private power company officials overseeing the generation, transmission and distribution of power in Puerto Rico insist that additional funding is needed to modernize a crumbling grid that Hurricane Maria razed in 2017. The hearings, which do not include public input, began in mid-November and are scheduled to continue through late December. They are being held by Puerto Rico’s Energy Bureau, which would decide whether to authorize the proposed increases.
https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-power-bill-hearings-increases-a9d129013ec9ba7859ffac6f6aad466b

Trump DOJ Sides With Roundup Manufacturer Over Cancer Victims in Supreme Court Case
On Monday, US Solicitor General D. John Sauer recommended that the high court agree to hear a challenge to a Missouri jury’s verdict in 2023 that awarded $1.25 million to a man named John Durnell, who claimed that the product caused him to develop non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-backs-bayer-monsanto-roundup

Trump administration threatens to withhold SNAP management funds from states that don’t share data
President Donald Trump’s administration warned on Tuesday that it will withhold money for administering SNAP food aid in most Democratic-controlled states starting next week unless those states provide information about people receiving the assistance.
https://apnews.com/article/food-aid-snap-rollins-blue-states-edf7a10ab409fe471ae81a13823484ab

As Prices Soar, Trump Denounces ‘Affordability’ as ‘Democrat Scam’
At the start of a Cabinet meeting, Trump falsely claimed that electricity prices are coming down, despite the fact that Americans across the country are struggling with utility bills being driven higher in large part by energy-devouring artificial intelligence data centers.
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RS-YM (Bangladesh) Condemns The Police Crackdown Against Participants In Environmental Protest In Delhi, India
Revolutionary Student-Youth Movement strongly condemns and protests the sexual harassment, assault, and arrests carried out by the Delhi Police against students of Bhagat Singh Chhatra Ekta Manch (bsCEM), Nazariya Magazine, and other organizations during the environmental protest at Delhi’s India Gate! For a long time, India’s capital, Delhi, has topped the Air Quality Index as the city with the most polluted air in the world. On November 23, 2025, the Delhi Coordination Committee for Clean Air organized a protest rally. The committee included Delhi-based Marxist-Leninist-Maoist student organization Bhagat Singh Chhatra Ekta Manch (bsCEM) and Nazariya Magazine, among others. At the rally, the protesters rejected “garden-style” environmentalism. They pointed instead to the responsibility of the Hindutva fascist BJP, whose Chief Minister Rekha Gupta is an agent of imperialism, and to the so-called “development” projects of the corporate bureaucrat-bourgeoisie. They demanded the formation of people’s committees composed of slum workers, migrant laborers, residents of surrounding villages, and civil society rights activists to take the leading role in planning Delhi’s development for the protection of its environment.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/24682/

Like South Africa, the BRICS Suffer From Trump Appeasement Syndrome
The U.S. now assumes leadership of the G20 until the Miami summit ends on December 15, 2026 – but not without having lost some crucial soft power. In the wake of Donald Trump’s farcical attacks on the host of last week’s G20 summit in Johannesburg, might the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa (plus Egypt-Ethiopia-Indonesia-Iran-United Arab Emirates) BRICS bloc – maybe alongside some annoyed Europeans – finally stand up straight, and boycott the Florida meeting? After all, a process of shifting power relations – symbolic and real – is supposedly underway. At the University of South Africa in Pretoria on November 20, two days before G20 leaders met, Columbia University economist Jeffrey Sachs gave a viral speech in which he castigated Trump – as the equivalent of a four-year old throwing tantrums – and proclaimed that U.S. power " is fading. It’s fading in part Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2581160
The don't want us to know this, but helium comes from the inside the earths mantel and naturally bubbles up along fault lines. We have infinite helium.

>>2581160
it comes from natural gas as a byproduct. not mines.

Good. I hope we run out. If it leads to societal collapse all the better.
Communism isn't ever happening if we don't shake society up somehow, and this seems preferable to nuclear war.

>>2581610
It will only lead to less scientific advances

>>2581822
Correct. We need to stop the capitalists from wasting any more, and preserve whats left for advancements.

MLibs be posting this not knowing that the average age there is 60 and people tend to miss their youth

It only proves nationalist illusions about le glorious past they had under that socdem monarchy

>>2579947
>leftcom regurgitating unironic anticommunist counterarguments
no contradiction

>>2579947
>It's just nostalgia!! These things can only be explained by my essentialist pseudo psychoanalysis of boomers
Lol and you have the gall to call others libs

>>2579947
>Old who Lived under socialism:Its nostalgia
>young who has a positive view: you dont know your history
Also Ceaușescus popularity is in the youth as well to the point the Romanian government is clamping down on it. Look at this anti-commie burger get upset about some young university students saying positive things about the socialist period. These are supposed to be the most pro-EU

>>2580550

>If you are poor: You are envious.
>If you are rich: You are a hypocrite.
>If you don't have a don't have a degree: You are ignorant.
>If you do have a degree: You are disconnected/utopian.

Anyone care to add to the list? Maybe:

>If you are an incel: You are bitter.
>If you have big family: You had too many kids.
>If you are a worker in the public sector: You are entitled.
>If you are a worker in the private sector: You are resentful and/or lack entrepreneurship.

>>2581311
this

>>2581666
TRUTH NUKE

>>2581138
They were axiomatically worse than Hitler.
Say what you will about him like the vid in >>2581674 says in Germany at the time the petit bourgeoisie and middle class were the majority of the nation.
Hitlers petit bourgeoisie Bismarck socialism no matter how much it sold out to big business and so on, still made it clear who it was for, he even named the petit bourgeoisie in speeches.
For the Falange it was the aristocracy and middle class taking full on power away from the prole and peasant majority.
>But they read Marx before Franco!
So did Hitler.
Anyone who would support the Falange might as well just support Hitler. It would be an improvement.

>>2581779
One thing when you read about how the core of the Falangists' support were "students," this is the 1930s in Spain we're talking about where that coded strongly right-wing, sons of aristocrats, etc.

Another odd thing that doesn't get brought up much is aviation. The fascists were enthralled by aviation and there were famous aviators in different countries that joined fascist parties. In the Spanish case it was Julio Ruiz de Alda Miqueleiz (later shot by anarchists).

>>2581727
There's a funny moment where the Falange gets invited to ᴉuᴉlossnW's attempted "Fascist International" but Jose Antonio reiterated that Falangism isn't Fascism. Allegedly some of the anger that came from his followers was based on him being way less willing to commit to offensive violence when they really wanted to crack skulls. I think Ledesma actually used this as a critique of him and Mosley, that they were "soft" aristocrats who were concerned with high-minded ideals whereas the more "radical" and "working class" types (closer to Lumpen imo) wanted to beat people to death.

This sort of reminds me of how you'd previously get this divide in the right where establishment politicians would vaguely gesture towards whatever brainworms their base had, but wouldn't actually believe in them. Like they'd talk about small government and maybe throw a bone to the freaks that think the government is using chemtrails to make them gay. Well there'd be flare ups of contempt in the base because these "soft" old money WASP types want to do things like tort reform whereas they want a real shit-kicker who'll bring back corporeal punishment in schools. It's like "we don't give a fuck about your gay-ass business grant scheme, we want to elect the guy that stands outside of the local mosque screaming slurs"

>>2581726
So something about "rejuvenation" of the Bourgeoisie according to Sorel, as I understand it it's less "Oh they'll be better" so much as that when actual class conflict and violence declines, the Bourgeoisie sort of fall into mindless hedonism. Look at Musk, look at Altman, look at all these billionaires. They're jerking themselves off on pie-in-the-sky ideas, they're lazy, they're self-absorbed. The "rejuvenation" of the Bourgeoisie is more or less their class necessarily having to get its shit together to survive open class war. Elon Musk can't keep shitposting while paying Chinese dudes to play Path of Exile 2 for him when there's a genuine threat of open warfare from the proletariat, and if he tries he'll get his Darwin award. This isn't just localized either, the entire Bourgeoisie as a class would get a wake up akin to how a quiet suburb might be on guard if there's a brutal murder in their neighborhood.

Its less "theyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2581746

Raped in prison

>>2581746
Pwned. For the time being. They will probably release him to run for the 2026 presidential elections, tho.

>>2581752
>>2581754
how are brazilians rightoids handling the situation?

>>2581755
They are in the "trust the plan" phase. Opportunists are trying to launch themselves as an "heir" to Bolsonaro's legacy while his family tries to keep the cohesion. Truth is, Lula is in a much more comfortable position with him in jail, as no alternative to Bolsonaro can match his popularity.

Call me when that dwarf stops cucking the brazilian working class (showed no solidarity when there was mass mobilization to end 6 day work week) and breast feeding bankers, speculators and rentiers.