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 No.99983[Reply]

What constitutes a national tragedy? Obviously one aspect to a national tragedy is that a wide percentage of the population is affected. Another aspect would be the longitude of the tragedy: the longer people have to suffer it the more severe, unbearable it becomes. In this sense the Holocaust for Jews and Gypsies, WW2 for Russians, or the century of humiliation for the Chinese are obvious "national tragedies" (or "ethnic tragedies" in the case of Jews & gypsies, but you get the point).

So this is the thing. I don't think that in any meaningful sense 9/11 could be called a national tragedy for Americans, not to mention "THE" National Tragedy, as some try to portray it. Merely 0.001% of the population were killed in the incident and the event ended in a few hours. For comparison: not a single family in Russia was left unaffected by WW2 in one horrible way or another, and it went on for years.

Another thing is that 9/11 was retribution for the shit the USA has been doing for decades in the Middle East. For me it seems like if the Roman Empire tried to make into a national tragedy of sorts the Spartacus uprising, like, nigga, just stop having slaves and shit like that won't happen to you, like stop bombing, dominating, couping, etc. the rest of the world and shit like 9/11 won't happen to you. Stop hitting yourself.

In a very real sense what actually made 9/11 a national tragedy to Americans is that it was a moment when reality first crept in to millions of burgers. For the first time they got a taste of what they have been doing for years on a daily basis to other people in the world. So yes, the real "national tragedy" of burgers is coping with reality, and it's still ongoing.

See the media campaign surrounding 9/11. It went on for years, even in non-american countries. Of course it had to be used to justify attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. In this sense what instilled this idea that 9/11 was a national tragedy was constant media campaign used for political purposes.

Take a look at how the Russians or Chinese dealt with their national heroes who helped them end their national tragedy. They are glorified to this day, they get elderly care, etc. Now take a look at the supposed national tragedy of the burgers and their supposed heroes the 'first responders' – like dozens had to die because of lung damage and a lack of access to healthcare.

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 No.103311

>>99983
You said it yourself basically; it is framed as a "national tragedy" precisely because it was an attack by some scary foreign other. It didn't happen out of neglect of infrastructure, lack of preparation, negligence, or sheer bad luck, it was an attack, that's what makes it tragic. It's kind of here nor there though, what's important is that it's been weaponized for the past 20 years to justify further imperialist intervention in the Middle East, and there are no signs that the intervention will end any time soon. I am inclined to say that we are bound to have another 9/11 if this shit keeps up.
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 No.103526

>>100081
>Autism Mode - Activate
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 No.103778

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Most Anglo Imperialist states have never really experienced a national tragedy or any kind of mass collective suffering in a singular event, the exception being maybe the UK during the Blitz but only super old people remember that and it isn't really comparable to what most of mainland Europe went through during the war.

This has created a kind of juvenile attitude among westerners, when combined with western exceptionalism + genuine belief in this end-of-history garbage leads to them to essentially believing nothing truly bad can ever happen to them. This is why you get people here in Australia for instance enthusiastically cheering on war crimes - because we have never really been on the receiving end of atrocities outside very limited cases in WW2, people lack an understanding that this shit could just as easily happen to us and that a basic human being level of humility is strategically useful for one day when the shoe is put on the other foot. Nope, that'll never happen, we'll always be top dogs, so there is no concern at all that our own reactionary jingoist attitudes could be used against our children.

This is also why whenever what in most places would be a fairly minor event happens people are so unbelievably fucking shaken. Of course 9/11 was propped up for a long time via propaganda, but Americans - who were coming out dizzying hype of the 90's and the belief that they'd won and that we were living in Pax Americana, suddenly suffering actual consequences for the fucking around of their state, what previously only happened to *other* people, was legitimately shocking in a way that the same images wouldn't have at all been if they happened in Mumbai or Beijing or Moscow.

This shit is going to hit us in the face, hard, as the US empire continues to collapse. I suspect the current crisis around covid has already shocked a lot of people into a kind of weird dysfunction, only a few years ago they would have been in total disbelief that this could ever happen here. The result is either in some groups a depressed apathy and "giving up" or rabid (think the normie liberal variant doomers), angry vile reactionary chimpout (think q-anon types).

In Australia, it'll likely be worse. We don't even really have a 9/11 ingrained in the cultural psyche. In reality, it should be the CIA coup against Whitlam which completely fucking doomed our country, but most Australians don't know shit about that because they spend 6 hours a dPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.103782

This reminds me that day.
9/11.
What a tragedy.
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 No.103871

>>99983
9/11 being a “national tragedy” is nothing but the result of yearly conditioning and propaganda by the government to the average burger. There’s shit tons of things in the US history that is worse.


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 No.41427[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

THE CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME EDITION

Feel free to watch US related happenings and chat with other anons at : https://tv.leftypol.org (You can create your own channel too)

Other livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFE
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 No.103761

To be fair many of the cartoons of that time were racist, even those from the CPUSA about the Japanese for example, but throwing out context and canceling them is stupid.

The Stalin comic panels posted previously are based anyways.

Do scan them if possible.
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 No.103765

>>103732
The Japanese one is pretty bad desu. My first inclination when I saw the dr seuss cancellation was to get pissed off but then quickly realized I couldn't give less of a shit about children's books. I'm not exactly "triggered" by cancel culture because 90% of the shit/people who get "cancelled" were garbage in the first place.
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 No.103786

It does seem like people just deliberately want to look for evidence to cancel sometimes, why does this place have so many brainworms, perhaps the whole Puritan culture explanation has merit?
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 No.103787

>>103765
If canceling was done by people who genuinely believed in it I'd probably be fine with it. But its done by self-interested upper class types who only care about themselves and its transparently obvious that that is what they are. Also these are the people that filled the western left with lunacy and destroyed its revolutionary potential. Complaing about cancle culture right now is the only way to get these people to fall right now, so it brings a smile to my face. Even if I'm not the one doing ti.
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 No.103860

>>103030
>>102991
I'm familiar with the new left being co-opted by listening to Maupin, but whats this about Evangelicals being out of control? how was Reaganism a psyop? elaborate


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 No.64580[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello everybody.
It seems a coup is being carried out in Myanmar, but i can't find the politics behind it.
Here a tweet explaining the events:
https://twitter.com/GerberaOf/status/1356157718218727426


Please post sources (better if socialist leaning ofc) and thoughts about it.
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 No.103384

>>103241
>>103245
Fukuyama was right for the wrong reasons: history will no longer progress, not because it will stay liberal forever, but because it will unravel.
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 No.103388

>>103381
It depends. I believe one among China and Russia will veto any military proposal.

Sanctions are on their way IMHO.
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 No.103708

https://twitter.com/cvdom2021/status/1366952762550927361

First defections in Myanmar army. Early to say if this is significant but its something to keep an eye on.
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 No.103716

https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1367172330716233731

Calls for using the Responsibility to protect clause are growing and getting mainstream.
Libya 2.0 in the making?
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 No.103825

>>103384
Hilarious enough, Fukuyama himself admitted to being wrong right after 2008. We are basically standing in the precipice of industrial civilization, if liberal capitalism continues unabated we will revert backwards to dark age level soon enough.


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 No.98537[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

SENEDD, UH YEAH, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (SAY IT AGAIN!)
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 No.103474

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appendix D: submission by Anonymous on his suspicions of who did the picture.
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 No.103507

>>103474
You know you've spent too long on a site when you consistently guess shit like this correctly
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 No.103796

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>yfw Starmer becomes prime minister
>yfw Theresa May is still the best prime minister in more than a decade
yeah i know she was home secretary at the time but it's not like judging them as human beings changes the calculation, unless Premier Sunak is a top lad and i just haven't been paying attention
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 No.103801

>>103796
Are the Tories actually better than Labour under Starmer? It's looking increasingly likely.
I'm not alone in suspecting Starmer is the retarded glowie sent to shit it all up before we get a competent and likeable rightoid.
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 No.103813

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Who do you think is going to be the next Blair, I don’t think it’s going to be Stramer


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 No.8373[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

Archives:
OC Thread 4.0 >>8622
OC Thread 5.0 >>419177
OC Thread 7.0 >>956315
Unfortunately OC thread 6.0 was lost when we were raided by the chinless horde back in October

This is the place where you can find all leftypol memes n' shit
https://lefty.booru.org/
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 No.103231

>>103069
what the fuck did i find
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 No.103250

>>103073
Old people and their Razer gaming mugs lol
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 No.103753

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 No.103756

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 No.103768

>>103756
don't forget ustase, south Vietnam and south africa


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 No.103412[Reply]

So previously I stumble this reddit thread about, "Why is almost everything haram in Islam?".
https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/iodap4/why_is_almost_everything_haram_in_islam_im_sorry/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

Then it's reminds me:
I'll tell you what, both new atheists & religious nuts have similar characteristics. Most of their debates such as darwinism vs creationism, etc etc, most of it pointless & sectarian thing to do. It's not grasp the real circumstances nor the roots of the problem itself.

Like if you still have & believe in religion, then you shouldn't become a lefty. A lefty must an atheist, if not then you're not part of us, & that's revisionism. State atheism is a must, if not then you're revisionist.

Haram. Everything's haram. Western music is haram, western movies are haram, western culture are haram, drawing is haram, having a dog is haram, have a girlfriend is haram, seeing your opposite gender is haram, etc etc.

Forbidden, everything's forbidden in Christianity, the priests & the nuns are forbidden to marriage, women should keep their chastity, sluts should be slaughter, Jerusalem is only for the Christians, etc etc.

Same like Judaism or others religions besides Abrahamic religions. Why? Why no fun allowed? Why purity balls & prudism? Why living as a monk are so proud? Then again why these 2010-2012 tier new atheists vs puritans debates still even existing? Don't they have something better to do than just debating something pointless? Let's discuss this whether you're an atheist or religious person, I don't care as long as you're a leftist.
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 No.103435

This is the most schizophrenic OP I've ever read.
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 No.103468

>>103435
Then discuss something schizo
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 No.103481

>>103412
was excited to see a post about atheism but I have no idea what point you're making. What relation does puritanism have to new atheism?
these paragraphs have no relation to each other. You are a bad writer and I don't know what ideas you're trying to convey to me
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 No.103750

>>103412
It's not even just Abrahamic religions, pretty much all religions have historically practiced asceticism in some form or another.

>>103481
I think OP was getting at the fact that for New Atheists, dogmatic Atheism becomes a religion in and of itself.
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 No.103764

>>103481
>What relation does puritanism have to new atheism
Not OP but the prescriptive notion of respectability based on "noble" ideals.


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 No.53004[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for the discussion of Anarchism.

Foundational texts:
>Alexander Berkman, ABCs of Anarchist-Communism
https://libcom.org/library/abc-anarchism-alexander-berkman
>Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
>Errico Malatesta, Anarchism and Organization
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchism-and-organization
>More
https://libcom.org/library/anarchism-reading-guide

News:
>https://freedomnews.org.uk/
>https://anarchistnews.org/
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 No.103618

>>103572
Because educated have different needs and wants, unlike a society that is majority peasant.
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 No.103630

>>103606
I said deliver, not give, but you did a GREAT!!<3 job of projecting your PMC sense of entitlement onto others. When you can speak and understand English with an average native level of comprehension (a low bar indeed), we can continue this conversation.
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 No.103684

>>103630
Good job dodging the question, faggot. I'll reformulate: If your movement can not answer the question of how we actually get into POWER it is fucking useless in terms of liberation, especially for the imperialized superexploited black, brown and yellow masses of the global south.
>calling me a PMC
>talking about projection
>you better speak proper English to me, foreigner!!
Can't even make a parody of this
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 No.103719

>>103684
>If your movement can not answer the question of how we actually get into POWER
>we
WE aren't. YOU are. Your claims of "doing it for the people" are about as credible as Lady Gaga's.
>deliver
Yes, you mouthy little v&guard shits had better get used to being subordinate to the will of the people and serving them as their inferiors, because you don't get final say on when the rubble stops bouncing.
>especially for the imperialized superexploited black, brown and yellow masses of the global south.
Your movement isn't even a response to that. China is doing its own imperializing, in the Leninist sense. Why cry? XD
Also, fuck off back to your containment thread Haz.
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 No.103744

>>103719
>completely dodging the question again
Okay so I must conclude anarchists have no desires to take power and experiment with their impotent localisms and "autonomous zones" until the collapse of capitalism kills us all.
>Yes, you mouthy little v&guard shits had better get used to being subordinate to the will of the people and serving them as their inferiors, because you don't get final say on when the rubble stops bouncing.
The vanguard already serves the people through the mass line without lowering itself to the niveau of the people. Plus, you haven't proposed any alternative form of organization, your are just talking the talk my friend.
>Your movement isn't even a response to that. China is doing its own imperializing, in the Leninist sense
You haven't read Lenin so I couldn't give two shits about what you think is or isn't imperialism in the Leninist sense.
>Haz
Rent-free. But I can totally feel how Haz's synthesis between Marxism-Leninism and Jimmy Dore-type "people's populism" must have torn you a second asshole. As if anarchists serve the people, what a fucking joke. All you guys ever do is shame them.


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 No.102547[Reply]

i am pretty sure i know, but i want your guys take on this
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 No.103574

>>103535
there is literally nothing wrong with being Irish.
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 No.103578

>>103574
And a lot wrong with being Irish American.
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 No.103592

>>103531
There is a big difference between "these Zionists and Jews are against mild reformists" and "The Jews are against mild reformists".
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 No.103619

>>103527
>That's not the debt itself, as the "debt" is just an accounting construct.

No it's not? When there's a national debt the government does in fact borrow the money to pay for that year's expenses from the private sector.
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 No.103728

>>103619
>the government does in fact
Does, but does not NEED to. Paul Samuelson has said on video that the budgetary constraint is just a disciplinary meme that is "useful" to capital. It's done to preserve elite power and priority of access, and for no other reason. There is no material need for a government sovereign in its own currency to borrow from the private sector.


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 No.71500[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
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 No.102780

>>75280
congratulations you're getting couped either way
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 No.103029

>>102684
The very issue there is that you use the tendency for profit to fall as a doomsday clock. It's something inherent in capitalism itself yes but it's not the decisive character that kills it. The reality and the truth is, capitalism inherently forces itself to become socialistic, the class that's decisive on all this is the existence of a working class, a proletariat. The system rebels against itself. Socialism represents nothing but the inherent reality of the nature of capitalism, it cannot avoid it.. perhaps resist it but not stop it.

About the Soviet Union falling apart, what does that say about Socialism and Capitalism? What does that say about China compared to the Soviet Union? Talking about Socialism as something we can just establish or get out of is as nonsensical as the counter revolutions in the 19th century trying to maintain their despotic aristocracy. You also speak of the Soviet Union as a revolutionary state in the trotskyist sense which is nonsense. The Soviet Union was a workers state but not a Trotskyist state that was meant to protect the revolution and spread it out to other countries. We saw how unsuccessful that was historically.
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 No.103533

>>103029
>The very issue there is that you use the tendency for profit to fall as a doomsday clock. It's something inherent in capitalism itself yes but it's not the decisive character that kills it.
No, capitalism could collapse or revolution occur before it even approaches zero. However, it is still something which is built into the system, and makes it entirely incapable of eternally perpetuating itself. It cannot exist forever, the question is what we get when it falls.
>The reality and the truth is, capitalism inherently forces itself to become socialistic, the class that's decisive on all this is the existence of a working class, a proletariat. The system rebels against itself. Socialism represents nothing but the inherent reality of the nature of capitalism, it cannot avoid it.. perhaps resist it but not stop it.
Capitalism certainly centralizes and concentrates production, and thus further socializes it, but this is not the same as capitalism obtaining some kind of socialist "character" which dominates it and makes it non-capitalist.
>About the Soviet Union falling apart, what does that say about Socialism and Capitalism? What does that say about China compared to the Soviet Union?
We were talking about the USSR, or more particularly Lenin, so what I stated was relavent to such. I would say it simply shows that the USSR was not aggressive or voracious as it should have been.
>Talking about Socialism as something we can just establish or get out of is as nonsensical as the counter revolutions in the 19th century trying to maintain their despotic aristocracy. You also speak of the Soviet Union as a revolutionary state in the trotskyist sense which is nonsense. The Soviet Union was a workers state but not a Trotskyist state that was meant to protect the revolution and spread it out to other countries. We saw how unsuccessful that was historically.
I'm not talking about the state in a Trotskyist sense at all, and the fact that you think this makes me think your understanding of Trotsky is primarily based on a shallow reading about Trotsky as opposed to any theoretical dispute with him. Both Lenin and Stalin were in support of the idea of the USSR functionary as a revolutionary core from which the revolutPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.103587

>>103533
When will capitalism collapse? Why didn’t it collapse in the 30s? Or in the past 100 years?
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 No.103720

>>103587
>When will capitalism collapse? Why didn’t it collapse in the 30s? Or in the past 100 years?
As I stated before, 100 years is pretty much a drop in the bucket for most systems, especially capitalism. I can't determine when things will exactly happen, just like you can't determine the exact date a mine will reach the point of producing a negative return. But you do know it eventually will, because the process is not a sustainable one and the rate of return decreases by the day.
>The 30s
The New Deal actually did a lot less to rectify the situation then what people think, and the economy was falling right back into a slump near the end of the 1930s. It was only after the destruction of old capital in Europe and the jolt to US based production to grow did the economy in the states begin to "recover".


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 No.103559[Reply]

Let us have a thread on the current hunger strike of Dimitris Koufodinas as it is clearly becoming a happening.

Today in athens was second day of protests, The Morning Star are reporting 10's of thousands.
>TENS of thousands took to the streets of the Greek capital Athens on Tuesday night in solidarity with hunger striker Dimitris Koufontinas, who is believed to be close to death after 55 days without food.

>The prisoner from the revolutionary organisation 17 November, which was banned and disbanded in 2002 as a terrorist group by the Greek authorities, has also gone without water since February 22.

>He is now being treated in the intensive care unit at the Lamia General Hospital, where his condition is said to have deteriorated.
>Mr Koufontinas, who was given 11 life sentences plus 25 years in prison for his participation in a total of 11 murders, explosions and robberies, has been held at the Domokos agricultural prison near Lamia.

this is not a thread to tell us how terrible you think 17N were.
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 No.103567

>that feeling when all the cucks of Greece came out of their hiding holes to bitch about the victims
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 No.103663

>>103559
>Clearly becoming a happening
Is this?
How is KKE position on this? And anarchist one?
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 No.103681

>>103663
>How is KKE position on this? And anarchist one?
Everyone but the rulling party is backing him. I think the force feeding really gets to people tbh.
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 No.103697

>>103681
>Anarchists and KKE agreeing on something

Oh shit this could have potential then
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 No.103705

>>103697
He is not just on hunger stroke but also water strike now, which is very dangerous, he is also old.
I think it was last year someone went on the same for I think access to educaiton (lot of greek radicals will just push at more freedom until they have the opportunity to escape.) Athens seemed to be on a knife-edge. I think the govt will fold eventually unless they are monumentally stupid but Dimitis is old and this can lead to health complications.


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