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>>2565390
well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

and mr smith is obsessed with robot powered UBI and saving capitalist from communist revolution.

this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

>>2565403
>and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

well yeah, he's a self admitted centrist lib but he's not going to save capitalism from communism by posting any more than we're going to defeat capitalism by posting.

>well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

I don't even see how that's a paradox. isn't it obvious that automation increases consumption of resource? A man with a chainsaw can process more wood than a man with a steel axe, and a man with a steel axe can process more wood than a man with a stone axe. This is why advancements in technology that increase the speed at which we process natural resources usually end up getting supplemented by other advancements in technology that increase the efficiency of our resource usage. Like miniaturization of transistors for example allow for more computing power to be packed into smaller and smaller chips, which is the principle by which Moore's law operated for decades. We're constantly working with changing situations.

>this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

I forget what his response to this one was. Something about Marx making up anthropocentric rules I guess

>>2565418
the idea was that an increase in the efficiency of steam engines would result in less coal use, but instead the increased efficiency led to the deployment of more and more steam power driving a demand for more coal. so as computers and AI become more powerful instead of needing less computers to do the same work we will increasingly use computers for more and more things,

presumably they think the increased demand overcomes infinite growth in a finite universe and you dont have to address the contradiction of private ownership

to me it just seems like an adjacent argument to the idea that while new technology like the loom destroys seamstresses it creates job for loom repairs, which as i said ignores the trpf, and of course also ignores that the transition to a service economy relies on imperialist extraction that boomerangs back around to the domestic economy eventually as capital returns to suck the remaining juices that are left in the husk they previously destroyed

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>>2565252
after gossen, he is the founder of "marginal utility" theory. his influence is absolutely immense.
>>2565390
i provided a review of his work "the theory of political economy" (1871) in one of the older threads, which people clearly never read. he's interesting to read since his findings are compatible with the classical labour theory of value, hence him and marshall are dubbed "neoclassical" economists in their defence of ricardo (e.g. keynes' general theory, japanese preface).
>>2565403
here's a question: why are you even in a political economy thread when you are intentionally ignorant of economic history? you are proudly idiotic, claiming to not know or care about jevons, as if this makes you superior. so, why are you here?

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/PRC/ People's Republic of China 17
>Taking the grillpill aboard Tiangong.
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>>2566036
Holy based, is China actually gonna seek an "independent" Luchu state? It would probably have to be a Chinese protectorate to ensure they don't gravitate back to their old masters, but they could be given independence after generation exposed to correct education.

>>2566036
What do the Okinawans want?

>>2566173
A prefecture within Japan with authority to veto military bases on its territory.

>>2566191
That is what they should get then.

>>2566152
Leftypol is the true heir to the 2ch name


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Money is very funny in a Banderite world edition.

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

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17:56 GMT
Ukraine is bound to end up with an “interim government” that will strike a peace deal with Russia to end the hostilities, Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod has said, speaking to a Ukrainian YouTube channel. Demands that Zelensky’s top aide Yermak be fired are about the survival and “self-preservation” of the Ukrainian leader, she suggested.

“We’ll have an interim government, “anti-crisis,” “anti-corruption,” call it whatever you like, a government for several months that will ready the country for elections, conclude negotiations, and sign a peace agreement,” Skorokhod has stated.

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Siversk is back in play

I don't care about this world anymore. Just launch the nukes already. Cleanse this planet in hellfire.

>>2566236
It's hard to see either happening, but nato seems more inclined towards expansion than peace tbh.

>>2566274
Russians cut the supply road to the west so Siversk is brown bread.


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NEVER FORGET THAT BEAUTIFUL DAY!

🇵🇸 PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOLY LAND 🇵🇸
>>2442214

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🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨
Sites that have active live-blogs:
• Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/

• Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

• The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/palestinian-territories

• Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/liveblog/ (trigger warning)
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breaking news

LIVE: UN Security Council approves US plan for Gaza stabilisation force

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/11/17/live-hamas-rejects-foreign-guardianship-of-gaza-before-un-vote

>>2564453
Erm…

>local neo-nazis protest against da joos
>a couple of the local islamic groups declare support of their rally
goddammit israel. now we have to re-educate a whole lot of people.

>>256488
Why would you give a fuck about joos feelings when over 90% of them support genocide and killing babies?

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>Former Obama speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz made some very revealing remarks during an appearance at the Jewish Federations of North America General Assembly on Sunday, expressing frustration with the way younger Jews are dismissing pro-Israel arguments because of the carnage they’ve seen in Gaza.

>“We are now wrestling with a new I think generational divide here, and I think that’s particularly true in that social media is now our source of media,” Hurwitz said. “It used to be that the news you got in America was American media, and it was pretty mainstream; you know it generally didn’t express extreme anti-Israel views. You had to go to a pretty weird bookstore to find global media and fringe media. But today we have social media, which is the global medium; its algorithms are shaped by billions of people worldwide who don’t really love Jews. So while in the 1990s a young person probably wasn’t going to find Al Jazeera or someone like Nick Fuentes, today those media outlets find them; they find them on their phones.”

>“It’s also this increasingly post-literate media; less and less text, more and more videos,” Hurwitz continued. “So you have TikTok just smashing our young people’s brains all day long with video of carnage in Gaza. And this is why so many of us cannot have a sane conversation with younger Jews, because anything that we try to say to them, they are hearing it through this wall of carnage. So I want to give data and information and facts and arguments, and they are just seeing in their minds: carnage. And I sound obscene.”

>Hurwitz went on to say that Holocaust education has begun backfiring, because it has been giving young people the wrong impression that genocide is always bad.

>“And you know I think unfortunately, the very smart bet that we made on Holocaust education to serve as anti-semitism education in this new media environment, I think that is beginning to break down a little bit because, you know, Holocaust education is absolutely essential, but I think it may be confusing some of our young people about antisemitism,” Hurwitz said. “Because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews, and they think oh, antisemitism is like anti-black racPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Today a very much of fictitious "value" was loss on them Wall StreetZ thx to Trumpfgd's tariff's on Choynah. The US A"I" conglomerate is a complete bubble. Laydowns going on in the US. Real estate market status in US: fugged.

Let's celebrate the impovireshment of the first world while China keeps rising! Please post them stonks & predictions.

This is a pro-eggplant/brinjal/aubergine 🍆 thread and also anti-tomato 🍅 thread. Please respexts these common sense sensibilities. Thx.
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https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/1988656329775517793?s=20

>CHART OF THE DAY: While most of the critical minerals talk in the US is about rare earths, something far more important is happening: US aluminum all-in costs have surged to a record as traders/smelters demand huge physical premia on top of LME prices due to Trump’s tariffs.

>>2554155
Honestly, if I were king of the CPC, I would just have the state invest a couple of billion (trivial at the government scale) into non-profit foreign stock market manipulation aimed at causing economic distrust.

>>2555719
>describing this as a socialist revolution
Chinese tech isn't locked down, the proletariat can re-configure the software and modify the hardware by adding or removing their own parts to fit their material conditions. AppleTV degenerates are literally regressed into pre-modern neofeudal serfs who think technology is magic that only the priest class can control. Neoliberals would literally be afraid and shocked if you opened up their phone case lol
>just turning apple consumers into huawei consumers
China makes tech for adult humans, they don't sell glossy, frictionless baby products for domesticated cattle who can't legally repair their own stuff.

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>Bitcoin Price Crashes to $94,000 and New Six-Month Lows
>Bitcoin price fell sharply today, sliding from an intraday high of $104,000 to $94,480, wiping out earlier gains and marking a decisive breakdown in price action. Twelve hours ago, the Bitcoin price hit above $100,000 and then consistently bled down from the upper $101,000s to lows of $94,480. Ethereum dropped below $3,100 at times and crypto stocks like Coinbase ($COIN) and Strategy ($MSTR) are trading in the red in pre-market trading. Also, the Bitcoin Fear and Greed Index has plunged to a new “Extreme Fear” low, signaling deep market anxiety even as long-term holders stay the course.

bitcoin AND gold is falling, is this a liquidity crisis? do the banks have money?


 

Nazism is founded on Satanism.
Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis Lodge, whose leader was Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley, if you don't know, was the premier satanist and occultist of the 19th century, who coined the term "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". He is the man who inspired LaVey to found the Church of Satan.
Hitler himself was deeply interested in occultism, and openly expressed this. Nazism in fact directly traces its roots to Ariosophy, a racist offshoot of Theosophy, the movement Crowley was a part of. Himmler was particularly embroiled in this.
The recent rise of Nazism is nothing more and nothing less than a psyop to compromise the right-wing youth into being Satanists.
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>>2565990
The return of anti-Semitism and fascism on a global scale is a foreshadowing of a global alliance of Gentile nations against Jerusalem. God is allowing this rebellion against Him to happen on purpose so that Jews will repent to God and accept Jesus. Biblical end times prophecy or something

>>2565990
>Nietzche, the philosopher whose works were used as a philosophical backing for the Reich, was a Grand master of the Ordo Templi Orientis
<Fact
Reported for retardation.

Aleister Crowley was/is absolutely not a 'satanist', and neither was/is the Ordo Templi Orientis. Their beliefs are essentialy Jewish Qabbalah with a few 'egyptian' influences, they worship the same Abrahamic God as almost everyone else, they just have sex about it sometimes so puritans kneejerked and labelled them 'satanists'.

your analysis is historically illiterate and idealist, material conditions are the primary determinants in the development of history and culture, the social 'superstructure' is derived from the material, is a reaction to it.

>>2565990
I would describe everything in this thread (including Ayn Rand) as an outgrowth of German Romanticism.

Also btw i copy and pasted this thread unto mutiple imageboards and found this site had the most intelligent takes on it


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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott
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reposting Cockshott's response to academic agent here

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UPHOLD COCKSHOTT THOUGHT

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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2565965
>I'm the only leftist that thinks mass immigration is bad?
I don't think you're consequential "leftist" of you care for the topic at all. Being "anti" or "pro" immigration is to purely buy into the false liberal dicotomy of it all, instead of stepping beyond it and arguing for the socialization of labour and the unification of the working class. If when given the prospect of organizing workers, you instead argue that we must first fight back the migrant, you're at best an impotent liberal who's end state is the same as every single party that's attempted that, and at worst a petty nationalist who cares more about the slice of the migrant then the slice of the capitalist above him.

>>2566040
marx and engels believed in national liberation.
why dont you?
>>2566033
more incoherence.
>There's issues I have with what you quoted and what you left out
what did i leave out?
>This is what doesn't follow. The Irish being moved to England isn't exactly the plan, it's more a consequence of English conquest and rent-seeking/profiteering
so, the landlords force out the irish by high rents, and the bourgeoisie benefit by worker competition… and you are saying that this is an accident..? lets read:
<As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land […] It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish population by eviction and forcible emigration […] the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class […] Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life.
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its the interest of the capitalist to have this happen, and then have the english worker identify with the ruling class, rather than the irish struggle for a homeland. why do you disagree with marx?
>unite the cause of the Irish and English workingman.
in an inter-national struggle. again, who is an independent ireland for? the english settlers?
>Engels are not up for just a national project and then leaving all said and done
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>>2566047
>marx and engels believed in national liberation. why dont you?
Where did I state a rejection of national liberation?
>what did i leave out?
Their focus on unification and how the animosity is artificially fed by the bourgeoisie.
>so, the landlords force out the irish by high rents, and the bourgeoisie benefit by worker competition… and you are saying that this is an accident..? lets read:
Accident isn't a word I used, it's just merely a consequence that the bourgeoisie then twist to their benefit. The aristocracy aren't rent-seeking and oppressing the population for the purpose of making them leave for England, they're doing so for their own profiteering which as a consequence results in them leaving for England. Marx discusses how emigration/eviction is a consequence of both rent seeking and the later "agricultural revolution" in Capital I (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch25.htm#S5f) and Capital III:
<We are not speaking now of conditions in which ground-rent, the manner of expressing landed property in the capitalist mode of production, formally exists without the existence of the capitalist mode of production itself, i.e., without the tenant himself being an industrial capitalist, nor the type of his management being a capitalist one. Such is the case, e.g., in Ireland. The tenant there is generally a small farmer. What he pays to the landlord in the form of rent frequently absorbs not merely a part of his profit, that is, his own surplus labour (to which he is entitled as possessor of his own instruments of labour), but also a part of his normal wage, which he would otherwise receive for the same amount of labour. Besides, the landlord, who does nothing at all for the improvement of the land, also expropriates his small capital, which the tenant for the most part incorporates in the land through his own labour. This is precisely what a usurer would do under similar circumstances, with just the difference that the usurer would at least risk his own capital in the operation. This continual plunder is the core of the dispute over the Irish Tenancy Rights Bill. The main puPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2566090
>Their focus on unification
unification of what? the struggle is expressly international (i.e. england and ireland working together as separate peoples for a common end). you arent conceiving of this correctly.
>Accident isn't a word I used, it's just merely a consequence that the bourgeoisie then twist to their benefit
its either an accident or not. if its not accidental, then its intentional, so this must be your position.
>The aristocracy aren't rent-seeking and oppressing the population for the purpose of making them leave for England, they're doing so for their own profiteering which as a consequence results in them leaving for England
its a win-win for the ruling class, whether the irish are in ireland or england.
>To kickstart a socialist revolution in England, and by extension Ireland as well, and thus eventually all of Europe
why is irish independence more "socialist" than not? why does marx specifically care about irish nationalism?
>The focus on Marx isn't "Ireland for the Irish", rather it's that Ireland needs to be liberated economically from England to open the conditions necessary for the workers in England
what conditions? youre not making sense. how does irish independence economically benefit english workers?
>To weaken the English aristocracy which hold power over it, which also hold power in England?
how does weakening the aristocracy in ireland materially benefit the english working class? would it be a reversal of what is currently harming the workers?
>Proletarian revolution
how does irish nationalism fuel socialism?
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>>2566120
>unification of what? the struggle is expressly international (i.e. england and ireland working together as separate peoples for a common end). you arent conceiving of this correctly.
Of the workers in the countries they are in. Of the German and Irish in America, of the Irish and English in England, etc.. It's not as seperate people's, the Irish and Germans aren't supposed to shrug and say that only the Anglos in the country can do a thing. It's as a united working class.
>its either an accident or not. if its not accidental, then its intentional, so this must be your position.
This is a false dicotomy. I can cut down a tree and know that it might crash on a house on the way down, but still do it with primary purpose of getting the tree out of the way or collecting it's wood. Me taking advantage of the fact that it crashed on the house in some way doesn't make it purely "accidental".
>its a win-win for the ruling class, whether the irish are in ireland or england.
Yes.
>why is irish independence more "socialist" than not? why does marx specifically care about irish nationalism?
Because of its relation to England. Not so much the nationalism, as nationalist undercurrents to Fenian republicanism typically influenced them towards making bad tactical decisions that Marx loathed, but it's revolutionary liberation struggle that was critical towards both weakening the English aristocracy and opening up Ireland to a more complete economic agricultural revolution. By doing so, it sets the stage for proletarian revolution in both countries.
>what conditions? youre not making sense. how does irish independence economically benefit english workers?
By weakening the power of the English aristocracy, which opens up the path for the workers of England to make gains and engage in proletarian revolution, which is the ultimate economic benefit for them to achieve.
>how does weakening the aristocracy in ireland materially benefit the english working class? would it be a reversal of what is currently harming the workers?
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The crackdown on immigration in the west has the potential to be a good thing for revolutionary and anti-imperialist states, because it will prevent both brain drain and loss of labor forces. The downside is that these countries won't be able to expel the reactionary elements that would otherwise go to the west, especially the US.
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This is why I think Trump winning was a good thing btw, he basically accelerated the end of American hegemony by several years

>>2565699
And this is only the start of his term, Comrade Nationbuilder will do more for us yet!

>>2564787
Is Aryan some kind of Asian because she looks like a Chinese chick that dyed her hair blond

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>>2564786
i dont think a crackdown on immigration is gonna solve any (or at least most) of the problems in global south mainly because the places these migrants come from (the middle east, south america, africa) all have massive western influence if any non cia backed "revolution" happens it will probably be crushed by the west the only way to insure a independent south is to get rid of western influence, but eh who knows maybe something will happen for once

>>2564786
Absolutely. Even more anti-imperialist would be to gas all jews and brown people to cause revolutions in the global south.


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I often find it hard to focus on Marx, and other theorists writings and ideals when i'm surrounded by personal relationships and similar distractions. I feel as if I am not truly devoted to the advancement of the proletariat because of this, because of these influences. How do I destroy these aspects of my life to further my dedication?

I know soon I need to be dedicated to a party, as I'm turning 22 and haven't don't much in terms of dedicating my life to the formation of a party and furthering its influence
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Mentality like that will lead you on a cult real fast, just read theory and when opportunity appear try to show people about leftist views in a civil manner, more than that you could join a real political party and do some action around your city, state or even your country, just do become a schizo fanatic

This post sound as if it was made by some Mormon devolted to cult. Which oddly fits trots so it make sense

don't do it. don't throw your life away

Do it

don't put all your eggs in one basket. live your life and enjoy it as much as you can


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