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>>2551829
The woman in the video is literally influenced by Western racism, apart from how “uyghur killer” is from English racist meme culture, why would Chinese racism praise his girlfriend for being white?

>>2552583
>unknown
it was burgers did it, bet (am burger and can say it due to daily familiarity with our snakelike ways)

>>2551974
…are we considering Marx to be perfect now? Because Britain clearly wasn’t ready for communism, 100 years later and they still even have a fucking monarch

>>2552583
>the plea
<'Send Elon,' one user posted on X. Another wrote, 'When you're stuck in space, who you gonna call? Elon Musk and SpaceX.'
nice reporting dailymail

>>2552583
*return capsule damaged by debris, internet people say Musk should help



 

>need to develop productive forces for communism to happen
>this fucks up the earth and nature

how do we reconcile this as gommunists? whenever I see people calling for protecting the amazon there is an argument that the people cutting down the trees are just trying to make a living.
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>>2542585
>westoid id/pol/er talking anything about "glasses bad" as if they're not a certified spectacle wearer themselves
>"worKKKing claSS"
>second book is literally a porkoid defending his class interests

>>2539165
Saito's a pseud who has faced criticism from Bellamy Foster in recent years.
Replace him with Jason W Moore.

>>2543083
yeah sure but anon requested it. its good to teach people how to pirate books

dude condensed the most common debunks of fossil fuel apologia into a youtube short

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>>2531538
>need to develop productive forces for communism to happen



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Besides Cockshott and maybe Richard Wolff, are there any good, academic, Marxist economists who are worth reading and can be used in debates to defend Marxism?
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Really though you could just read the book instead of inventing positions other people dont hold.

>>2551301 (me)
>Marx says the result is quantitatively the same as what a certain type of simple calculation results in. He is NOT saying that this simple calculation resembles the actual process.
To elaborate on that, it's a bit like having to stay within a weight limit for transporting items and facing the question whether one is below that without data in hand about the individual weights, but only with data about the average item weight and the number of items. From that one can trivially compute the total weight of the pile. But it would be asinine to assume that the things themselves actually get uniform in weight.

>>2551309
>You already conceded that value is transferred
I did not "concede" that, at no point did I assume otherwise.
>you have yet to tell us what you think in your interpretation the source of this value is
This shouldn't be necessary in a thread on Marxist economics: labor power. (There are complications in that you can't directly use time, because people work at different speed, and there is labor power at different skill levels, and there is overproduction and mismanagement.) I'm not making a new definition of value. I'm telling you that at some point the value has to be embodied in something to be transferred.
>you just repeatedly ask the same inane question
Well at least now you don't claim anymore I'm constantly changing the topic, so finally you are making a tiny bit of progress.

Third-worldists say first-worlders live the nice life on the back of third-world workers. You live the nice life (any life really) by consuming use-values. Hence to make a compelling case for the third-worldist claim being true, value transfer can at best only play one part in a bigger argument about use-values constructed wholly or in crucial parts in the third world ending up being consumed in the first world. The value transfer described volume III from industries with low organic composition of capital to industries with high organic composition of capital all by itself does not work as proof or almost-proof for the third-worldist claim. Marx did not construct that to argue for giga-profiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552541 (me)
>The value transfer described volume III
*The value transfer described in volume III

>>2552541
>I did not "concede" that
>>2552541
>value transfer described volume III from industries with low organic composition of capital to industries with high organic composition of capital
>labor power
So when I talk about wage differentials, ie the price of labor power, that is something meaningfully different to you? and you say im splitting hairs and not reading the context of the whole post
>at least now you don't claim anymore I'm constantly changing the topic
and then you immediately change the topic back to
>Third-worldists
>first-worlders live the nice life on the back of third-world workers
>>2544920
>sounds to me like you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.
>labor aristocracy and unequal exchange can exist without third-worldism.
>i never said that workers in the first world take share in the looting.
this can also be read as "i am not a third-worldist"
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i wonder if it could have anything to do with the term being coined by the author lmao



 

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American puppets meeting, to discuss the destruction of Belarus.

>>2539499
>Why is he so fucking retarded
It's easy to internalize Labor mythology, when you compare the record of Labor vs LNP on policy nuances.

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>>2551222
Not me, comrade. Solidarity from another industry union.

Welcome to share the bants with us, redact it if needed. Imageboard culture leaks into the mainstream more each day so wouldn't be surprised if they were just discord.gov users or old meme-loving fucks.

>>2551483
thanks comrade, solidarity to you as well.
I won't share but they were dropping "tankie" type meme videos and using terms like "glowie" and "fedposting". The background is a frustrated rank and file dealing with a conservative leadership - a tale as old as time.

>>2552398
>I won't share but they were dropping "tankie" type meme videos and using terms like "glowie" and "fedposting"
BASED!



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My father gave me these things, or rather, I inherited them. He likes to discuss politics with me (he's an anarchist). What do you think, comrades?
He also gave me a rug with the anarchist cat on it and a Spanish Republican flag.

Those are rather nice anon. I collect communist and communist adjacent paraphernalia when I can get my hands on it. Here's a picture of some pins I got in berlin

>>2552363
beautiful



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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>>2547962
The posts and words are too big and scary there though

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>>2547962
thank you mods for the democratic kampuchea embassy on /leftypol/ land, bumping with a bunch of stuff

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Surrealpolitik: The Experience of Chinese Experts in Democratic Kampuchea, 1975–1979
Andrew Mertha, 2012
<https://muse.jhu.edu/article/494077
>[The] author argues that the Chinese experience in Democratic Kampuchea was structured and constrained by the contradiction of technical imperatives in a milieu of deadly political infighting, as well as by the many institutional shortcomings on both the Cambodian and the Chinese sides. The author uses the petroleum refinery project at Kampong Som (Sihanoukville) to illustrate his argument.

>In looking at the Chinese experience in Democratic Kampuchea, the question I am most frequently asked is: what did the Chinese experts on the ground know about the killings that were taking place at the time? Several analyses imply that Chinese advisers in Democratic Kampuchea, by doing nothing or by somehow benefiting from DK policy, were somehow complicit in the horrors of what was occurring in DK.

<There were thousands of Chinese technical experts living in the country, mainly working in industry, transport and energy. But there must have been also a number of military advisors, all weapons being provided by China which had built a vast secret air base, with two runways near Kampong Chhnang at Phum Krang [Leav]. Since the army was so much involved in the repression it is difficult to imagine the Chinese were completely unaware of what was going on in the country. This cannot be demonstrated—nor disproved—until all archives are opened.
>Although my interviewees—retired Chinese technicians who managed infrastructure projects in Democratic Kampuchea—tended to become a bit guarded when discussing this, it became clear that they did not, nor could not, know the extent of the killings that were taking place, even as they were aware that something sinister was afoot.
<The Chinese were told that a person had “disappeared” (这个人不见了) or that they had been “cozying up to Vietnam” (亲越). Years later these Chinese technicians bandied about other euphemisms that suggested they had an inkling of what was afoot: “recalled to Phnom Penh” (说要去金边/要 调你到金边), “the big forest” (森林大), “particularly large Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2552503
>A Chinese technician noted that the expansion of the facilities required extra equipment for catalytic cracking. This is because they were also switching the processing technology, which had been premised on processing crude oil from Qatar, to refining equipment that could process oil from China’s Daqing oil fields. Although China claims that this was Chinese technology, it actually came from Cuba. The Cubans had somehow obtained blueprints of the facility from the Americans, and since they had sets, they decided to share one with the Chinese.
>But the project was beset by problems. An on-site worker summed up the situation at the oil refinery in brusque and dire, but nonetheless accurate, terms that matched the general mood of workers who had been working on the project on a long-term basis:
<It has been three years since we have been working on this refinery. We have to recover the operating room, but there have been so many problems, especially with electricity. Also, the supply chain from China to here has simply been disconnected. The Cambodian side seems to refuse to learn about what we are doing. We also need to train translators. The Cambodians who should be in charge of production are poorly educated, and too young. The techniques and methods of operation for oil refinery are unique, and workers need a basic industrial knowledge base.

>One of the most difficult challenges faced by the Chinese workers on site had to do with the quantity and quality of Cambodian workers. The number of workers on site was insufficient; the Chinese had assigned 380 people to work on construction and recovering the facility and 54 people to be in charge of production required, and these numbers were not being met because of the high rate of absenteeism on the Cambodian side. Moreover, the Cambodian workers that did show up for work did not inspire confidence. The frustration of one Chinese expert is almost tangible:

<After being in Cambodia for a year, we have no clue what we have to do. We just mend roads, dig dirt, and we have no idea if we should be doing any of this because no one tells us anything. We have been digging a warehouse of dimensions 1.7 by 3.724 meters, and as we diPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552520
>The problems discussed above were considerable, but they were also particular to the Cambodian case, as evidenced by the fact that the Chinese had to bring not only technical experts but also their own workers, and by the bizarre notion that the Chinese, after two years in DK, were still unsure who they needed to communicate with on the Cambodian side. Moreover, these problems do not explain the larger issue of coordination that lay at the root of the systematic variation in the effectiveness of Chinese overseas assistance.

>On December 22, 1978, three days before the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, a group of Chinese technical leaders presented a report based on more than a month of survey work at the refinery site. The report noted that:

<When it comes to the supply of materials, [coordination] has been lax. The work that needs to be done now needs to be done mostly by the Chinese. Therefore, when the supplies do not arrive on time, or if they are incompatible, we cannot do our job properly. . . . Please tell the superiors back home. . . . The commerce unit has already stamped this request, and the MoFE wrote back and said that the embassy needed to send a full request. Now we only have a small jeep and it is not going to do the trip. In addition, there is the problem of lacking water bottles. Please try and solve these problems for us.

>Arguments over the scarcity of resources as well as the seemingly unequal distribution of resources dominated the conversation, as did complaints about subpar coordination:

<The companies that send people have no idea how to organize and manage these people. The Cangzhou Thirteen Huajian Company certainly has no clue. So much has been invested that this is clearly not a joke. It seems more like a war, but a war that we’re losing. The mission is simply not clear. . . . we have no clue what is going on and what we have to do.

>This worker also underscored the problem with the quality of the technicians and skilled workers sent from China, suggesting that it was not necessarily the best or the brightest who were being sent to Democratic Kampuchea:

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The relativity of time is not just a reason we cannot "travel in space and make it back", it is a utility that can be used to preserve the subjects to travel in FTL speed or even a beam me up scotty wormhole and calculate a journey back to skip time whilst preserving their own biological clocks. In other words indeed a person that is 25 in 2025 may go to another place in space through FTL travel and come back only to see the Earth is gone despite still being 25 years old biologically, but in the same manner if the journey is calculated the subject can effectively skip time for a set period of hundreds of years and if there is hope in development may return to live and benefit from the fruits of it in the future's availed life extension technology if humanity proves successful in not destroying itself, if it does destroy itself. It is effectively time travel into the future and thus any persons who wish to see if the species will succeed and live to see it or live to see if it has been insufficient and unworthy they may be able to do that through space travel. We currently do not possess FTL travel or wormholes, but it is simply the easiest way to be able to time travel into the future. With the development of AI a ship could be able to decide its own course and trajectory safely and be able to calculate how to return, all that is needed is research on the method for propelling and the type of energy consumption and materials needed to be able to initiate FTL, to which particle accelerators may hold an answer to that.
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>You go to Alpha Capricorni and back at 0.9999 C. When you return 220 years have passed on Earth. When you left you were only 25 but you from your perspective 30 years have passed and you are now the ripe age of 45. You can see from orbit space elevators and mega cities. A lot has changed. You get on the radio and try to contact NASA. No response. After months of broadcasting your message you finally get some static and between the crackles you hear a few words. Knee-How. Knee-How. What could it possibly mean?

>>2551261

You would become a gooback.

Travel to 2050 when China reaches communism

I love your imagination anon. This is great

There's some things you are getting confused about relativity, like you don't go to "FTL speed" to experience the effects of time dilation, it happens at real life physically-possible speeds with no need for hyperspace/wormhole magic or any other bullshit like that. Furthermore, relativistic time dilation doesn't make you age more slowly and is not a method of achieving immortality - from your perspective on the spaceship time is still moving at normal speed and your body is still aging just as it always does, time is just slowing down for you relative to everything outside of the spaceship. It's called "relativity" for a reason, you know.

Also, if you just want to preserve yourself and wake up in the future it would make a lot more sense to just use cryogenics, the already existing technology that is designed for that very purpose, rather than an interstellar spacecraft?



 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2552121
crazy to me to want to spectacularise ripping flags down, but fair enough, i guess.

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>>2552289
They are using it as a mechanism to generate support (ngl anti-flagging is good in principle but hardly a strong basis for building a socialist movement off of). What i see with them is your usual "Anti-Reform, Anti-Capitalist, pro-Palestine" stuff with a vague IRA sheen from the use of kneecap, ballies & bererts, and the phoenix that looks very Provo, yet without any explicit Irishness. They seem to be active in provincial towns (especially in the North East) but also they dont seem to be particularly ideological. Certainly aren't Leninists or Anarchists. I don't know kinda feels like Irish Republicanism but instead of Irish Culture its rootless zoomer philonationalism. You know the sort; who are anti-british and anti-english, yet love when "the right sorts" do nationalism (Irish, Palestinians, Latin Americans).
I guess I just don't see how there is a social base for this beyond those who are already outcasts yk? Building an ANTIFA movement that is already the social outcasts is not a path to success.

>>2552121
>>2552368
Activism is ultimately pointless, the only time action matters is when it is revolutionary.
That said this is still based and makes me feel good. I hope they keep it up.

>>2552121
why don't they burn them? Would be more symbolic in my opinion.

>>2552368
Dosen't this just happen every few years?
Like some lads will try to do antifa themed hooligan agitprop, or go for a german street-maoist aesthetic, or this.
never seems to go anywhere.



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Sliwa would make a much better mayor than Mamdani. What's going to happen is Mamdani is going to win, and then he'll either become another AOC/Bernie and sell out his base, or he'll just be an incompetent fuckup nepo baby. Either way NYC isn't going to change much. Sliwa has more of a connection to actual working class New Yorkers and knows how to play the game. He was shot by the mob and lived to tell the tale.
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>>2552472
This doesn't really work because Mamdani's whole thing is that he'll speak with anyone if they're open to it which was part of the whole appeal. (Ironically he's kind of doing something Haz wanted to do which is communicate with people who don't normally identify as being on the left, but also you know… like… successfully). He'd talk to Trump, whatever.

>>2552472
>H*z
Filtered

There were also big swings in Trump-Mamdani districts (apparently). A lot of these are immigrant heavy neighborhoods. There's just a bunch of relatively conservative immigrant boomers from Egypt or wherever living in Queens who voted for Trump in 2024 and then Mamdani, and he succeeded massively without pandering to socially conservative prejudices. He's actually very liberal as far as I can tell.

It's an interesting thing but I think part of it is that these immigrants haven't been totally assimilated, which means they haven't been incorporated by the two party system. They're more up for grabs. Part of the Democrat vs. Republican thing in the U.S. is that it's not just about politics but identity and tribe with long histories in American society and culture. Like northern (often German) Protestant whites + blacks in an alliance (this goes back to the Civil War) and then an alliance between southern conservative Evangelical whites and northern Italian Catholics. That's more recent, post-WWII, but look at the prepoderance of Italian names among New York and New Jersey Republicans like Giuliani, Sliwa, and Ciattarelli. Democrats… Whitmer, Spanberger, Walz.

But if you're some kid whose parents are Maronite Catholics from Lebanon, where do you fit into that in post-9/11 America. Makes me wonder if on some level Haz's schizophrenic ideology is an attempt at coping or trying to seek acceptance from people who have hated Arabs his whole life because he can be more chud than them! Mamdani on the other hand is Muslim and part of his appeal to these many immigrants is that he very openly identifies as an immigrant while also synchronizing that with pre-existing traditions of Ellis Island newcomers demanding their place at the table of the American Dream.

>>2552472
Sliwa was the trve gommunist.

>>2552480
Haz said there were two holes. There are actually three.

t. cis woman



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>In 1848, Schopenhauer witnessed violent upheaval in Frankfurt after General Hans Adolf Erdmann von Auerswald and Prince Felix Lichnowsky were murdered. He became worried for his own safety and property. […] He gave a friendly welcome to Austrian soldiers who wanted to shoot revolutionaries from his window and as they were leaving he gave one of the officers his opera glasses to help him monitor rebels. The rebellion passed without any loss to Schopenhauer and he later praised Alfred I, Prince of Windisch-Grätz, for restoring order. He even modified his will, leaving a large part of his property to a Prussian fund that helped soldiers who became invalids while fighting rebellion in 1848 or the families of soldiers who died in battle.
Ah, so he was actively reactionary, as his class position, and his actions to defend his class position reveal.
>As Young Hegelians were advocating change and progress, Schopenhauer claimed that misery is natural for humans and that, even if some utopian society were established, people would still fight each other out of boredom, or would starve due to overpopulation.
Ohh… it's just… umm…. humans are gonna be miserable no matter what…. please don't make me lose my property…. I'm so miserable with all this property…. Prussian soldiers…. please defend my property from the rabble…. who are definitely just as miserable in poverty as I am in wealth… oh heavens…. I … ohh…..
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>>2537008
Many autism experts will say he was autistic since he had many common autistic traits.

>autism expert
lmao

>>2537635
I wonder if Marx and Hegel were autistic

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>>2536686
trvked her own son

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>>2552469
GYATT DAMN



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