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russia sucks lol

>>2934076
I know and don't care, I just like seeing liberals take Ls.

>>2933839
>>2933836
>>2933826

you know things are going bad in the Hormussy, trump couldn't grab Iranians by the Hormussy, when he had to do this.

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if only there was a meme about this that kept getting posted

>>2933937
>russia and iran won their anti imperialist struggle against the israeli-ukrainian-NATO axis, now the burger reich must lay off the sanctions… this means ziggers were wrong all along and ruzzia is imperialist
come on man i'm not even that big of a fan of ruzzia but this is just cope



 

Am I the only one worried that the right-wing is already taking advantage of the fact that the left has become a vacuum of intellect, and is now re-embracing intellectualism on its own terms?

I’ve seen multiple IG pages recently that talk about the literacy crisis in America; however, a good number of these pages/accounts are made by right-wingers/reactionaries. They use very blatant dogwhistles like “classical education”, “great books”, “virtue of the Ancients”, “glory of Western Civilization”, etc. etc. They talk about getting kids (read: they’re kids, the kids of right-wing elites) to study Plato, Xenophon, Aristotle, Cicero, Augustine, Aquinas, etc., learn Latin and Ancient Greek at young ages, and pump their heads full of political philosophy. Yeah it’s indoctrination but still.

My assumption here is that the right-wing in America is trying to regroup and reorganize now that MAGA is clearly crashing and burning beyond repair. A lot of the rhetoric they use makes me think this stuff is coming from either the Heritage Foundation, Claremont Institute, or both.

But I think the deeper issue here is that the left has no way of effectively countering this, assuming this is true. Especially in the past five years or so the American left has almost entirely dismissed intellect and intellectualism in favour of appeals to emotion and petty in-fighting over covid masking, whose identity makes them the most marginalized, and whether or not going to the gym is “fascist”. Hell, someone just posted a screenshot from Reddit arguing that narcissists and psychopaths should be seen as “oppressed”. Why? What’s our antidote to the right when the right uses literacy and philosophy and such as a means of implementing fascism (or fascism-lite)? The American left seems to be taking the view that intellect is either 1. oppressive (because it inevitably creates a culture whereby smart people are upheld over stupid people) and/or 2. useless, because ethics are allegedly already embedded within human genetics and therefore all we need is intuition (Kropotkin’s Mutual Aid book is often invoked here). Why?

So what should we be doing in response?
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>>2932708
TBH, any good political theorist would start from the question of whether or not virtue can be taught.

>>2933136
reading smut > watching porn

>>2933865
and yet OP claims the left doesn't have any intellectuals

>>2932507
>appealing to dead white males is superior to appealing to the people who actually live out the oppression due to oppressive systems

Fuck off

rightoids won't even read evola they are a joke



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The worldwide communist revolution has started.
The worldwide communist revolution has started.
The worldwide communist revolution has started.
The worldwide communist revolution has started.
The worldwide communist revolution has started.
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This was NOT the headline in my trotskyist newspaper

Cool.

Is it, dare I say it, weeks already?
Could the decades be over?

Meds

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>>2933968
2 more weeks.



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there's this highly pervasive propaganda narrative that everyone seems to believe and regurgitate constantly, where national borders are protected by invisible impenetrable high-tech defenses and it is impossible to walk across a national border into another country without getting caught and you will step into a 2000 mile invisible minefield of perpetual-battery motion detectors and laser beams and tripwires or get spotted by swarms of millions of military aircraft with thermal imaging that remain airborne 24 hours a day and all kinds of other nonsense. so i had this idea for a conceptual performance artpiece where i shoot a gopro video where i'm standing in the remote wilderness in mexico right next to the completely unguarded border, and i scoop up some soil into a cup and i pull out my phone to show my gps location as i walk across the border into the united states and then dump the cup of mexican soil out onto the us soil, then walk back again. then i would just go somewhere in mexico that has public wifi and create a youtube account and upload the video and give it some funny title like "hey guys check this out" and also send a 7zip encrypted copy to my email to back it up in case it gets deleted. i also thought about planting a tiny little mexican flag in the ground on the us side, there's probably all kinds of funny things one could do with this.
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i like this spot in calexico where there's just a kid's slide next to the stupid ass fence. god so much free scrap metal just laying there. imagine if every grown mexican man just walked up and sawed himself one fencepost and smithed it into a shitty blade.

>>2933819
No one cares about this here, but border fences are fucking disastrous for wildlife as well

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>>2933838
>No one cares about this here,
i care

>>2933827

i think it would be funnier to add things to the wall rather than try to destroy it, like maybe weld a big official looking mexican government sign to it on the us side that gives the impression that the reader is actually standing on the mexican side. in my experience, a direct challenge to authority doesn't bother authority figures and they expect it and actually crave it because it's basically an invitation for them to exercise their authority, but ridicule and absurdity is what they truly cannot stand, because it undermines their authority at the psychological level, it turns their job and their identity into a joke and it insults their intelligence by creating a kind of chaos that they could never have accounted for in their uncreative square minds.

>>2933850
>maybe weld a big official looking mexican government sign to it on the us side that gives the impression that the reader is actually standing on the mexican side.
that would require chuds be able to read espanol



 

>Bye, bye, Microsoft! – edition
https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-drops-windows-for-linux/

The Chinese question is: how does a comfy non-imperialist nation transform itself into a global socialist model that can be reproduced and adopted by the rest of the world, without either reproducing the aggressive and counter-productive policies of the USSR or appearing toothless, while resolving the contradictions of the so-called first world FOR THEM and liberating them from capitalist domination, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?

<A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.


Original threads:
https://archive.ph/S2XYA
https://archive.ph/Ytckv

leftypol.org archives:
https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/30501.html

bunekrchan.xyz archives:
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>>2933921
I've been saying this: Communism is the real movement to establish Frutiger Aero.

Chinanaon here. Israel have the right to defend itself against westoid ultras and baizuos.

>>2933933
America has the right to defend itself from walmart and target

>>2933921
I love Ayuero Fruitegeroe

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>>2933999
China anon here. We in China love Ayuero Fruitegeroe unlike antisemite baizuo ultras.



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!™
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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Barring chud logic, the vilification of the middle ages was always a bourgeois pathology from the earliest times, especially the 18th century enlightenment – ironically, moderns have always regarded the ancients (e.g. Greco-Romans) as wise, but the Dark Ages as terrible. It is generally true that the middle ages weren't as miserable as people pretend. We are much more miserable today, as a matter of fact.

Life is beautiful

These Christians are hilarious
>we read the Talmud… it had misogyny in it!
Have these plebs never read the Old Testament?
Everything these people hate is in their own Bible.
It's like that guy comparing quotes from Muhammad and Epstein to trick Muslims. Nobody reads their primary sources, yet everyone is doing homework on their adversaries. Such vanity and hypocrisy – I'm sure G*d is pleased with these men…

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Just to add the wholesome Biblical context:
>Numbers 31:17-18: Moses instructs the Israelite army regarding the Midianites: "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves".
>1 Samuel 15:3: God commands King Saul to attack the Amalekites and destroy everything, stating: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"
>Hosea 13:16: Prophesies judgment on Samaria: "Their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
>Ezekiel 9:5-7: God instructs executioners in a vision to go through Jerusalem and "kill old men and young men, maidens and little children and women," starting at the sanctuary.
Christians and Muslims are just Jews in denial.
Antisemitism is self-hatred.
Either stop worshipping G*d or shut up.

it's true even jon lenin knew it



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>Socialism after AI | LSE Event
>The old socialist calculation debate asked whether markets or planners could allocate resources more rationally. But neoliberalism long ago shifted the terrain from calculation to creativity, experimentation and worldmaking — and AI now radicalises that shift by enclosing the infrastructures of knowledge, culture, judgment and imagination. This lecture, by Evgeny Morozov, argues that AI exposes a deeper blind spot in socialist thought: the absence of a robust theory of technologically-mediated action.
>The Left has struggled to grasp how human capacities, state power and technical infrastructures make one another inside the capitalist world-system — and how that same process might become a path from dependency to emancipation. From Europe’s search for AI sovereignty to the Global South’s long experience of technological dependence, the question is no longer only who owns the machines, but who controls the infrastructures through which societies learn, create, remember, govern and make worlds.
>Speaker: Dr Evgeny Morozov
>Chair: Professor Lea Ypi

>>2931008
I'm seeing a lot of "AI" crap in the planning debate recently and it is starting to get on my nerves. dumb. no one sits down and learns linear algebra. no one learns actual control theory

New book about the details of actual accounting in Parecon by Anders Sandström ("The Participatory Economy: Adding Realism to Democratic Planning"). Interview:
https://participatoryeconomy.org/interview-anders-sandstrom-on-adding-realism-to-democratic-planning/

Central planed economy is always brutal, bloodly, and harsh to begin with.

>>2926345
>is he implying that Fauci was underestimating the amount of time (two weeks) it would take to get the pandemic under control?
yes; and I don't think that qualifies as antivaxx on its own, especially not in the strongest sense of the term



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I have seen this retardation spammed all over the place because of austrian economic loons however it always did feel so retarded.

I think this is the most condensed example of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3OH4QO5JY

Basically it becomes more and more retarded until you end up
>What about captain america?
>And captain america not fighting Thanos in my MCU?!
>communism and money can not exist!

That was always a incredibly retarded argument and I do not understand how the viewers of this trash are not dying of cringe.

Did people make debunking of this """"logic"""" because the video is pure insanity. The truth is that there is no such thing as central planning.
>Herp derp how do we produce things? How many of them?!
How does the factory do it now?
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>>2933919
Can't wait until 20% of the economy is hallucinated. Maybe it already happened.

>>2933927
>Please don't lump all Austrian Economists into one box.
>There is a difference between post-Mises and pre-Mises Austrian Economists

I literally do not care about the so obscure school of economics that it is not even in modern academia, I only see the mises.org dog shit propaganda and Praxeology is either the most retarded thing made up or something that will make you lose faith in humanity.

Praxeology
>Lets not measure anything LOL because numbers not real and stuff LOL!

>>2933920
>Your writing style sucks.

I welcome constructive criticism.

>>2933920
>The only area where this didn't apply was military and state technology but this is only because the USSR was competing with other states.
Funny because thats the area planners were most involved in. Consumer goods werent planned in a centralized fashion like most people believe. I saw a study quite recently that said something along the lines of a lack of investment in alot of areas, especially in regards to the latter half.

>>2933935
>I literally do not care about the so obscure school of economics
But that's the problem.
>praxeology
I would suggest you look at David Friedman, who despite being an anarcho-capitalist, gives much credence to behaviourism, instead:
<I have long argued that the economic assumption of rationality is useful not because it is a complete and correct description of real world behavior but because it describes that part of behavior that is predictable. 
https://truthonthemarket.com/2010/12/06/david-friedman-on-behavioral-economics-intriguing-research-project-with-reservations/amp/
The Chicago School by comparison is dependent on empiricism.

>>2933934
Nowadays it is around 80%



 

I'm extremely embarrassed to say so; but I will disclose the info for the sake of this thread. I'm a middle-class urbanite argentine.
I want to know what's coming for me in the (im 30) next 3-4 decades -mainly to guess if I'll have to KMS or not- in terms of "doomerism"
Eg; climate change, climate-refugee waves, turbo -crony capitalism , AI algorithmic takeover, resource extraction, fiscal-pension horrors, etc and so on.
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>>2934000
NO, YOU DESERVE TORTURE AND AIDS AND CANCER.
wet dreams are a SCOURGE I HAVE DEFEATED

>>2934001
It's not a sin if the wet dream is about Jesus

>>2934001
Not very Christian of you.

>>2934003
I don't OWE you explanations.
>>2934002
you mock Semen Expending? I wish you get molested and drugged.

>>2934006
As a Christian, the only thing wrong about emitting semen is if it's done do place other souls into the Big Iron Prison.
As a Tantrist, I never emit semen during sexual intercourse. I save it all for Jesus, I usually cum at the exact moment when he's baptizing me in the dream.



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There is no "AI" ya nincompoops. It's just dead labor feasting on living labor.

Marx called capital "dead labor" that feasts on "living labor" because capital is the result of past human labor that has been accumulated in the form of money, machinery, factories, and other means of production, no matter how "advanced" and "futuristic" those means of production get. Although these things were created by workers, they become instruments of capitalist power when privately owned and used to generate profit. In capitalism, workers must sell their labor power to survive, producing goods and services whose value exceeds the wages they receive. The capitalist takes this surplus value and reinvests it to accumulate even more capital. Thus, “dead labor” feeds on “living labor” because the wealth created by workers in the past becomes a force that controls and exploits workers in the present, continually expanding through their labor. For Marx, this expresses the central contradiction of capitalism: human labor creates wealth, yet that wealth confronts workers as an independent power that dominates them. Now take that basic Marxian principle and apply it to "AI."

There is no magic "AI." There is an emerging body of technologies built by human beings, trained on human-generated data, powered by enormous human-built computing infrastructure, and sustained by significant human-made investments of energy, water, hardware, labor, and capital (dead labor!). Calling these technologies “artificial intelligence” can obscure more than it explains. The term encourages us to imagine an independent, almost supernatural intelligence that exists apart from human knowledge and effort, when what we actually have are complex systems that identify patterns, generate predictions, and produce outputs based on statistical relationships learned from data. That data comes, directly or indirectly, from people: their writing, research, art, expertise, experience, and accumulated cultural knowledge. These systems do not emerge from a vacuum. They are built upon the intellectual labor of human civilization, and their capabilities are inseparable from the quality, diversity, and limitations of the material on which they were trained.

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>>2930210
Nothing more reactionary than being a luddite.

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There is no "Steam Power," ye nincompoops. It is but dead labour feasting upon living labour.

The engine you so admire is nothing but the past toil of men, heaped up in iron, brass and brick. Every boiler was riveted by a smith, every cylinder bored by a millwright, every ton of coal hewn by a collier in the dark. Yet once these things pass into the hands of the mill-master, they cease to serve the men who made them and become the instruments of his dominion. The weaver must sell his hands to survive. He produces cloth worth far more than the shillings he is paid, and the master takes the difference and buys yet another engine. So the labour of yesterday, frozen in metal, devours the labour of today and grows fatter with every turn of the flywheel. Here is the great contradiction of our age: the working man creates the wealth, and that wealth stands before him as a master. Now take that plain truth and apply it to "Steam."

There is no magic "Steam Power." There is a collection of contrivances built by human beings, made from the craft of human hands, fed by mountains of human-dug coal and rivers of human-drawn water, and sustained by great outlays of iron, timber, toil and capital (dead labour!). To call it "power," as if it sprang from nature itself, conceals more than it reveals. The word invites us to imagine some independent, almost supernatural force that exists apart from human skill and effort, when what we truly possess are machines that repeat motions taught to them by the spinners and weavers whose trade they copy. The pattern of the loom, the twist of the thread, the very order of the work all come from people: generations of craftsmen, their knowledge, their experience, their accumulated art. These engines did not spring from nothing. They are built upon the skill of the whole working nation, and what they can do is bounded by the quality of the craft they imitate.

The worth of these machines depends on far more than the speed at which they turn. It depends on whose skill was copied, whose was ignored, how faithfully the mechanism follows good practice, and how well its keepers can tell sound cloth from shoddy. A mill built upon the knowledge of master weavers and careful mechanics may serve well enough. A mill built in haste, by men who never wove a yard themselves, will turn out poor goods by the thousand bolt and with perfect regularity. Even the finest engine does not guarantee fine work. Boilers burst. Threads snPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

surprisingly astute post compared to the usual ai hype/criti-hype bilge people regurgitate on here, too bad nobody will read it

>>2933967
Coal-powered gem?

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