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what are your national heroes like?

ours are retards who genocided communists they thankfully live on only with the incel diaspora spergs

total nationalism death

>>2566991
>ours are retards who genocided communists
Same here.

Nationalism is not gonna die anytime soon. In fact, as the third world industrializes, they will become even more nationalist in order to protect "their" newfound national wealth, and out of fear of increasing competition in a world with declining profits rates.

And the Left, of course, is terrified of criticizing third world nationalism because it's "imperialist" to do so.

Bourgeois naval officers and colonialists

comprador retard libs or incompetent religious ultranationalists . Guess the country


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>be me
>a part of the italian socialist party
>be pro war
>get kicked out for being pro war
>start retarded new ideolagy
>larp as a roman soilder who will rebuild the roman empire
>join ww2 cuz senpai hitler said so
>get raped by a country 3x smaller than mine
>germans have to carry me the entire war
>people start to revolt
>flee to the north
>get caught
>die
why did any think this retard would ever amount to anything?
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>>2566942
He reminds me of ziggers.

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>why did any think this retard would ever amount to anything?
Gonna have to ask Nicola Bombacci that question.

>>2566996
>Above the body of Bombacci, there was a handwritten sign that read "Supertraditore" (Super-Traitor).
Fitting name.

>>>/siberia/

>>2567004
Politics of ᴉuᴉlossnW are not political?


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Money is very funny in a Banderite world edition.

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
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>>2566945
But there are a LOT of countries that still dont have nukes. And conflicts between nuke having countries are still possible (India Pakistan). Potentially the US might start a war over Taiwan and it probably won't involve nukes (hopefully).

Nukes are deterrence to actual wars, but the destructive war you mentioned where capital needs to solve overproduction is not a "real" war. It's a simulated war whose purpose is destruction. So it's possible the ruling class of both sides agree to start a fake war for the purpose of destruction.

This is also where AI comes in I think. The destruction of capital no longer needs to involve humans as well. You just mass produce drones and robots and send them to be destroyed. It does the same job of destroying capital without human losses, makes it easier to sell such a war.

>>2566945
Good post. I definitely believe that Ukraine's plan was unironically to capture the Kursk NPP and use the threat of some kind of nuclear disaster as a deterrent in lieu of actual nuclear weapons, whether it completely failed at achieving that organically or because NATO was rightfully concerned that would be too close to themselves giving Ukraine a nuclear capability based on German Tanks In Kursk Again we'll never know.

But it is a somewhat interesting facet of proxy warfare, a radically unstable state charging headlong towards a Russian nuclear power plant to then threaten a disaster unless demands are met (that coincidentally benefit NATO primarily) is no doubt a dream scenario for the Victoria Nulands of the West, but because support for Ukraine has been massive and open rather than covert, that has surely limited Kiev's usefulness as a proxy to do things that would be impossible (due to MAD) for a NATO military anyway. Proxies are at their best for the Jakarta Method with plausible deniability for genocidal or otherwise illegal acts, Ukraine falls into a weird situation for a proxy where there's kind of the expectation that they ought to conduct themselves as a genuine NATO military fighting a war in civilised Europe rather than just Contras disappearing millions in a country that probably didn't even have birth certificates at the time, but they don't get the US Nuclear Umbrella deterrent of a genuine NATO military.

So yes it results via technicalities in NATO being able to get away with driving a Leopard tank slightly over the Russian border or firing ATACMS at the Russian military in Donbass, but that's really the limit of it. NATO are otherwise working under the same limitations as if this was an unfortunate, circumstantial breakout of hostilities between NATO and Russia that they don't want to lose but also want to keep contained. But in that case, why bother with an intentional proxy conflict at all if it has to be fought like an undesirable and risky conflict?

>>2566904
The rich getting pampered and worker's rights getting axed is the norm under bourgeois rule, they don't need a supposed threat from outside to do it. The bourgeoisie needs a real threat from the outside (such as a strong and massively armed up AES USSR right next to it) in order to allow the proletariat basic socdem "eurocommunism". The current major assault is just a continuation of the SPD/Green agenda during the early '00s when Berlin, Paris and Brussels were on good terms with neolib RU/Putin. In the 3rd round CDU, SPD and AfD will complete undoing everything that we achieved since the 1880s in terms of worker's rights and social welfare, in fact they're almost there.

>>2566981
yeah I'm just waiting for The Swedish Model to be completely dismantled. that will likely bring back the militant workers' movement which the Saltsjöbaden Agreement essentially killed in 1938

>>2566904
> but it's going to take years
we have to be honest about this because theres too many multipolar youtubers going around with clickbait titles like ITS OVER


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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott
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>>2566595
you are, think about who he is, hes literally a Nazi, no exaggeration. he means some type of slavery with rationing. imagine how it would be for workers stuck on his mars base. that's how he wants all of the world to be. he's a white supremacist eugenicist.

>>2566230
it's a pipe dream on the MEDIUM TERM, there's already backlash to AI because these retards couldnt stop salivating about slaving everyone.

>>2566230
uyghas in here not reading the chapter on machinery as usual: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch15.htm
>automation will kill gabbidalism dis tiem!

>>2566917
>liberal describes "communism"
<it's capitalism
>liberal describes capitalism in its death throes
<it's communism
many such cases

>>2566230

LEFTCOM MUSK

LEFTCOM MUSK


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Politically, there are no people more repulsive to me than those Balts (by the way, I’m not a Russophile or anything like that). Such an exhausting underass fly syndrome and good house uyghur vibe radiates from all three countries in that forgotten little corner of Europe. To some extent, it can be understood, considering their position and historical context, but their pathological hatred and Nazi-leaning collusion, in the style of an obedient little dog, is so irritating and disgusting that it goes beyond anything that could justify them.

I don’t know what your experience with them is, but whenever I’ve come across someone from that crowd - mostly online - it’s always the same impression: they throw shade and open hatred toward 'my' country (‘little Russia, blah blah blah’), convinced that they’re above the Russians, with some strange badger-like habitus about them. Incredibly unpleasant people.

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I only ever met a transwoman from Lithuania. She was nice.

Read Devils Trapped In Amber

>>2566363
I actually only ever met nice people from the baltic countries in real life. And when it comes to the rude ones online, it helps to remember that they only exist because CPSU collapsed and only as long as it doesn't recover. The difference in firepower makes their existence as in any way politically relevant very easy to end as soon as the decision to restore the Soviet Union is taken.

>>2566960
>end as soon as the decision to restore the Soviet Union is taken.
Isnt this exactly what Russia is trying to do in Ukraine but without the socialism part?


 

New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.
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>>2558358
I think one thing the video misses is the fact that the "Soviet Government" as it existed wasn't ever supposed to be a permanent state of affairs. It was essentially a slap-dashed thing put together after after the sudden success of the October Revolution. But after the German Revolution failed the bolsheviks were left holding the bill so to speak. So I can only really shrug at alot of his criticisms because he seems to be under the assumption that Lenin's project was a permanent Soviet state apparatus rather than a temporary structure meant to carry Russia over the socialist finish line. Once the world revolution was closed off permanently the Bolsheviks whole world view at that point was in crisis and alot of changes had to be made at a point in time where Lenin's health was declining massively, so saying that Lenin was too egotistical or such to give up power I think is wrong. Its more that he only realized that the entire system had to be changed only after it was too late, really Lenin approving of the formation of the USSR in 1922 at all was a compromise from him. Initally at the 10th congress Lenin told Trotsky to oppose the integration of Georgia because Lenin didn't want the return of Russian chauvinism but he relented after since he was literally dying. It then became almost impossible for him to actually implement changes when running against party opposition practically because he didn't really have the energy to do anything other than sit in his dacha. Lenin really only had alot of managable political power during the civil war, and once it ended he was far to sick to refound the entire government as was needed and no one other than him had enough political legitimacy to operate such a task without Lenin dying first and creating a power vacuum. So in the end Stalin was able to consolidate power primarily because the position of general-secretary was an afterthought in a temporary jury rigged system that wasn't even supposed to last as long as it did. There are definitely criticisms to be had for a lack of long-term thinking but I think the video judges Lenin with the benefit of hindsight far too much.

>>2566703
already told in the text as an example, he adamantly denied that such document existed but when it became useful claimed was real when the only text pointed is one where Lenin is pissed off at everyone and specially stalin for talking shit to his wife.
also an testament is meaningless, after all who chooses the Gensec where the party and the soviets and not lenin, it was just a power play, useful for trotsky but a falsehood.

>>2566725
Not that anon but Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR. Once that happened any reforms became impossible because every communist was dead and replaced with braindead cocksuckers who only knew how to grovel. Quit defending the retard who left the communists in Greece & Korea out to dry because he was a coward who gave up every inch possible in the cold war. Collectivization was retarded and his policy of social fascism caused the Nazi's to rise to power in germany aswell. Truly he was the architect of the USSR's demise and its a wonder why anyone defends that brainlet. Trotsky was dumb aswell before you call me a Trot find some other boogeyman.

>>2566732
>Not that anon but Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR.(bunch of spergposting that is worth no time)
completely idiotic positions based on fallacies, distortions and no actual facts, an waste of time.
thanks for contribution to the discussion about how people will use lies and falsifications to strenghten their positions with no material factology behind with an actual example, seek a book and not a cold war indoctrination manual thanks.

>>2566732
> Stalin was a retarded Georgian mafioso who killed all the actual communists in the USSR.
This characterization of Stalin is typical of people who have not read his works

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXUFLW8t2snvqAQfkfz4OPo36DwgsaEPL


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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2566518
>It’s not easier or more fruitful, porky dumping massive amounts of reactionary’s in the west actively makes a revolution impossible
Yes, it's why the pro-monarch reactionaries that held a large foot hold in Russia were able to stop the revolution dead in its tracks! Wait, that's not right. No, its why the nationalist forces that held a large foot hold in China were able to kill the revolution outright! Wait, that's not right either. No, it's why the Vietnamese nationalists were able to consolidate their sizable numerical military advantage to make communism an impossibility in borders of Vietnam! Wait, shit, that doesn't sound right either…

Idk, maybe the revolutions of the past dealt with way harder conditions then we have and still won you sissy. Want to show me your basis for the US dumping "massive amounts of reactionaries" (as if the most revolutionary period in the US's history didn't coincide with some of the biggest influxes of immigration in its history with people twice as reactionary as we have now) and how even if that was the case, how that makes revolution impossible?
>They’re already split, a worker that’s watching his suburb become majority migrant in his lifetime is always going to become anti-immigrant in response, no matter how much some impotent vanguardist trys to convince him not to, trying to reverse the flow of migrants will always be the top of his priorities instead of organising for a revolution, unless this revolution is anti immigrant
Just throw in any minority group in the past for "migrant" while you're at it there.
Playing up to the anxieties of the white american suburbanite is the stupidest argument you could have made in support of your "policy", it's like sucking the dick of old money WASPs during the Great Wave and expecting to milk communism out of it. His focus on "reversing the flow of migration" as opposed to revolution makes him the type of person who is focused on keeping "his", and who could care less for revolution no matter how many migrants you sell out for his sympathy. Seriously, why would he bother supporting a communist revolution that could have an inkling of destabilizing his comfy landed existence, when he could just support a national bourgeoisie party instead that will stomp on other proles for himPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2566832
>You're not a communist, you're a petty bourgeoisie fellating nationalist that's disenfranchised and contrarian enough to try and take "communist" as a title because you're embarrassed to swirl around the dregs of the interent as merely a socdem.

Many such cases on this site, the ideathay everyone will have to adapt to the whims and feelings of western suburbanites is disgusting.

I support immigration because I want the West to become more proletarianised and/or more rabidly reactionary (and therefore less capable of intelligent competent imperialism).

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>>2566518
>It’s not easier or more fruitful, porky dumping massive amounts of reactionary’s in the west actively makes a revolution impossible
FIDEL CASTRO SENT THE GUSANOS


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Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?

No one believes he’s an actual socialist, however his victory will be the most important victory of the American left of the past 90 years. Why? Because it shows the Zionist Lobby has NO POWER compared to the power of the MASSES OF PEOPLE and we can defeat the satanic Zionist entity not with a violent revolution but simply with voting. Nobody believes Mamdani is a perfect candidate but that’s not the point.

So why aren’t we backing him en masse? His inevitable win will be the biggest blow to US-Zio imperialism in modern history.
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>>2563999
So why are mayors kicking ICE out of their cities?

>>2551338
This TBH

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The gift that keeps on giving!

Mamdani scares the right-wing. That's enough for me.

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Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work. Marxist humanists can't admit that because they keep putting "the human" at the center of everything instead of looking at the material setup that creates it.
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It's a legal term, from which the "moral crisis" proceeds

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Alien nation? That's what we're gonna be if we don't build that wall!

alien nation.

think about that.

>>2561611
>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity
nobody with any marxist background, humanist or otherwise, says that
stop fighting imaginary enemies in your head

I got into a fight with a leftcom online about this. they got mad because I pointed out that not only is alienation not bad, it's what makes proles proles. we should lean into it


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How do you reconcile that this revisionist is responsible for China being the only hope left for socialists? What does China‘s success change about Marxist thought?
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https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/article-874132

>>2566649
Sorry, but Hitler lost.

>>2524464
CIA hands wrote this thread which is ironic since its defending Russian imperialism but killing workers is something both camps can unite on

>>2566649
Of course capitalism is global and the conflicts between countries are not permanent and not based on moral principles. Every country tries to trade as much as possible with every other country, only limited by security concerns, sanctions and public image concerns.

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>>2566896
they're rebuilding iran, israel, afghanistan, iraq. maybe the middle east will have stability


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