/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2567535
Based

Borduyghur

>>2567535
wow, he was that harmless and non-threatening

>>2572965
Wow, you are a voluntarist activist opportunist

All of the comments asking why nobody defected lmao.

>>2572572
based

Sir this is a fascist national socdem subreddit


You won't survive the revolution however

You've read lots of Marx? You're already more informed than half the posters here.

You will be imprisoned like the fascist you are

>>2572654
/thread

>>2572686
do you genuinely think the Brits and French wouldn't just watch in 1939 as Hitler marches East and destroys the Soviets?

>>2572690
>so mindbroken by reddit contrarianism that beating up the nazis BUT with the help of the Western allies is seen as epic gotcha
Lol

>>2572810
How would a weaker Germany in 1939 destroy the Soviets? The sort of long campaign needed to conquer Poland and Russia would mean the Nazis would have no one on the western front to stop Britain and France

>>2572812
>MLnimal admits western imperialism is just a talking point for his ilk
Nice mask off timmy

>>2572903
>>2572911
>Conflating race with ancestry again
King Lear coming in again to be lolcow that makes "global SSRs" like one would play EU4. Genetic clines are not the same as race, especially in regards to what we are talking about. No ones even denying phenotypes, no one who questions the validity of the categorizations of "race" does. This is some "how can you deny race when people look different" levels of rhetoric. At least you reject correlation between intelligence and "race", but talking about "race" instead of ancestry when referring to a giant list of genetic ancestries is self-defeating.

>>2572920
Genetic Clines with associated Phenotypic traits are just the PC way for Population Geneticists and Physical Anthropologists to talk about Race without all the embarrassing/pathetic Nazi and Southern Cracker baggage, with Western Eurasian being the PC term for Caucasoid/Europid, Eastern Eurasian being the PC term for Mongoloid/Mongolid, Sub-Saharan African being the PC term for Negroid/Negrid and Southern Eurasian/Australo-Melenesian being the PC term for Australoid/Australid, in modern Population Genetics, while Forensic Anthropologists still use the original terminology because they still use actual Skull Measurements to classily deceased individuals into one of the major Racial categories for Forensic identification purposes and thus don’t have to worry about PC backlash, and this handy list I created shows each of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts I posted at >>2572911 paired with their dominant Racial phenotype (you can go on https://humanphenotypes.net/index-2.html to find descriptions of all of them), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️🧬!

Proto-Slavic=East Europid
Proto-Baltic=East Europid
Proto-Germanic=Teuto Nordid and Dalo Nordid
Proto-Celtic=Alpinid
Proto-Italic=Gracile Mediterranid
Early Graeco-Albanian=Dinarid
Proto-Armenian=Armenid
Proto-Iranian=Iranid
Proto-Indo-Aryan=North Indid
Tocharian=Turanid
Pre-Greek Anatolian=Armenid
Andronovo=East Nordid
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>>2570991
>you never mentioned the english working class, whom marx claimed would directly benefit from irish nationalism.
Yes, by weakening the English aristocracy.
<First, Ireland is the bulwark of English landlordism. If it fell in Ireland, it would also fall in England. In Ireland this is a hundred times easier, because the economic struggle there is concentrated exclusively in landed property, because the struggle there is at the same time a national one, and because the people there are more revolutionary and more embittered than in England. In Ireland, landlordism is maintained solely by the English army. The moment the forced union between the two countries ends, a social revolution will break out in Ireland, even if in outmoded form. English landlordism would not only lose a substantial source of its wealth, but also its greatest moral force – that of representing the domination of England over Ireland. On the other hand, by maintaining the power of their landlords in Ireland, the English proletariat makes them invulnerable in England itself.
>Engels say that irish immigrants lower the economic and moral status of the english workers? yes or no?
Initially, he wasn't very generous to the Irish, no. Later on, he instead felt the English proletariat had been "bourgeofied", instead benefiting from the explotation of the Irish.
<The Jones business is most distasteful. He held a meeting here and the speech he made was entirely in the spirit of the new alliance. After that affair one might almost believe that the English proletarian movement in its old traditional Chartist form must perish utterly before it can evolve in a new and viable form. And yet it is not possible to foresee what the new form will look like. It seems to me, by the way, that there is in fact a connection between Jones’ new move, seen in conjunction with previous more or less successful attempts at such an alliance, and the fact that the English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that the ultimate aim of this most bourgeois of all nations would appear to be the possession, alongside the bourgeoisie, of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat. In the case of a nation which exploits the entire world thisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2572929
>Genetic Clines with associated Phenotypic traits are just the PC way for Population Geneticists and Physical Anthropologists to talk about Race without all the embarrassing/pathetic Nazi and Southern Cracker baggage,
This is some mega cope. There is a reason race isn't used, and its beyond just "were embarrassed to use it". It just isn't sufficient, and your own half researched trawl shows why.
>Forensic Anthropologists still use the original terminology because they still use actual Skull Measurements to classily deceased individuals into one of the major Racial categories for Forensic identification purposes and thus don’t have to worry about PC backlash,
No they don't lol, what are you talking about? Forensic Anthropologists haven't used the Caucasoid, Mongoloid Capoid, etc. in like two decades, and only have sort into racial categories upon the breakdown of ancestry because US investigations largely demand that the race of the victim be place into certain racial designations (White, Black, Asian, etc)
>this handy list I created shows each of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts I posted
Doesn't prove your case at all, and I still don't know why you think it does.
>paired with their dominant Racial phenotype (you can go on https://humanphenotypes.net/index-2.html
Dude, stop posting humanphenotypes.net. Its not a valid website and its data is an unverified hodpodge of sources ranging from outdated to unironic Nazi anthropologists. It's borders between ignorance to flat out propaganda.

>>2572929
East Europid
https://humanphenotypes.net/basic/EastEuropid.html
Teuto Nordid https://humanphenotypes.net/Hallstatt.html
Dalo Nordid https://humanphenotypes.net/Dalofaelid.html
Alpinid https://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Alpinid.html
Gracile Mediterranid https://humanphenotypes.net/GracileMediterranid.html
Dinarid https://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Dinarid.html
Armenid https://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Armenoid.html
East Nordid https://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html
Iranid https://humanphenotypes.net/Iranid.html
North Indid https://humanphenotypes.net/NorthIndid.html
Turanid https://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Turanid.html
Atlanto Mediterranid https://humanphenotypes.net/Eurafricanid.html and https://humanphenotypes.net/NorthAtlantid.html
Unreduced Cromagnid https://humanphenotypes.net/PaleoAtlantid.html and https://humanphenotypes.net/PaleoSardinian.html
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>>2571989
>praxis
what is the thread topic, again? dont you think its weird how the guy who talks about political economy in a political economy thread is constantly demonised?
>side tangents that aren't very useful and are more a practice in onanism
such as?
>tend to overcomplicate things
any examples?
>Just now, your writing about Marx and Aristotle is easily addressed by looking at the context of his critique, of how Aristotle only goes half way in his theory but is unable to recognize the uniting feature of his comparisons, and the social context of why that might be
but its a false analysis, as i have previously demonstrated. aristotle has a theory of value and indeed, commensuration, which marx obscures. he doesnt even provide a source for his quotations, which says a lot.
>I don't see how it's a contradiction
because value as a social construct must have recognition to have validity. if it is unrecognised, then how does it persist?
>I further do not see the necessity of getting into the weeds with Hegel
because marx is using hegel's logic to describe the development of capitalism… you appear utterly incurious as to the contents of the text, so why have loyalty to a man you dont even want to understand?
>You seem to also add more confusion by taking early Marx (Grundrisse) and trying to reckon it with his far less "Hegelian" influenced works 10 or 20 years later
marx in the 1873 preface to capital says this:
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>>2571930
>he certainly cites sources and contributes more than you
lol you dont know who i am. i stopped in round two after going in circles with this guy for over six months with heavy citations. he openly contradicts himself constantly and posts things that are objectively false and when corrected ignores it. his position has been completely exhausted and he just comes back to repeat it despite being proven wrong repeatedly

opinions on shimomuran economics.
Mainstream economics suggests that investment should equal savings. Shimomuran economics suggests investment should be greater than savings.
Shimomuran econmics suggest doing this by using the central bank to create money out of "nothing". For example, the central bank buys assets in local banks and then puts a debt (I owe you) towards these local banks, in its balance sheets. The central bank then sends this literal "free" bank credit to the local banks. The local banks then send it to key industries for the central bank guides the local bank to do that. (more credit to those local banks that follow the central banks guidance).
Japan, sk, taiwan, and maybe china did this. It lead to an economic boom

>>2571906
>>You say here the ratios of abstract labor going into commodities is equal to their exchange ratios and equal to the labor-time input ratios
>theyre the same thing: Ax = By
Marx explicitly says it is the labor time in what you quote right after asserting this:
<We know the measure of its magnitude. It is labour time. The form, which stamps value as exchange-value, remains to be analysed.
>marx appears to say that value is an autonomous entity which is present even where it is unrecognised
Yeah he appears to say that because he is saying that.
>marx affirms that the "concept" of value did not exist in antiquity, so as to be socially realised:
The quote that follows is from his earlier scribblings not meant for publication and not from Capital. Why would you put much weight into that. Then you quote Capital:
<Aristotle therefore, himself, tells us what barred the way to his further analysis; it was the absence of any concept of value.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
Again, context. What is Marx saying just a few sentences after this:
<The secret of the expression of value, namely, that all kinds of labour are equal and equivalent, because, and so far as they are human labour in general, cannot be deciphered, until the notion of human equality has already acquired the fixity of a popular prejudice.
About Aristotle:
<What is that equal something, that common substance, which admits of the value of the beds being expressed by a house? Such a thing, in truth, cannot exist, says Aristotle (…) The peculiar conditions of the society in which he lived, alone prevented him from discovering what, “in truth,” was at the bottom of this equality.
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SmithAnon, you were responded to in the immigration thread.

>>2572492
>If you aint a ML as a teen you have no heart. If you aint an ultra as an adult you have no brain
If you don't want to retvrn to Mitterand while boxing in the Communist Party as junior partners as an old man you have no sovl

>>2572492
A heartless Ultra’s life for me

>>2572106
its true but more nuanced than a direct conspiracy. trots are fine in latam for example. leftcoms and anarchists are also pretty anti-communist. opposing the ussr is pretty stupid usually there is a conflation here with modern russia which obviously isn't communist. same with the cpc. its fine to be critical or skeptical but actually propagandizing against them in a public forum is certainly anti-communist. i find that most people dont "worship" either one and usually people think a few online personality psychos like the ACP are representative of the majority when they very much are not. and finally campism in the pejorative sense isn't a real thing. being in the socialist camp is good.

>>2572352
>lesser imperialist
no such thing, its either imperialist or not and if you actually understand imperialism then you know it only applies to ex british colonies western europe japan and worst korea.

>>2572376
>"multipolar" nations are not only doing nothing to help them, but are often actively harming them as well, so i don't want to hear it
pretty clearly misunderstanding the point. unipolarity means no competition and IMF sets loan rates like a monopolist. multipolarity means lower rates for productive development(the definition of progress according to marx) due to competition outside the dollar system. thats it

Realpage agrees to limit data collecting to settle DOJ rental price fixing case
The U.S. Justice Department has reached a settlement with RealPage over allegations it helped landlords fix rents by sharing pricing information through its software, court papers showed on Monday. Under the settlement, Realpage agreed to a three-year monitorship and limits on how it collects and uses non-public data.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/realpage-agrees-limit-data-collecting-settle-doj-rental-price-fixing-case-2025-11-24/

Ford hit again by layoffs as a second major fire erupts at critical aluminum plant in New York state
The company claimed that the latest fire was swiftly contained and the site was made safe. Despite this, the efforts to restore full production have been set back. The hot mill segment, where the incident occurred, was shut down; shipment of finished aluminum sheet was temporarily suspended; and supply to customers such as Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis was disrupted, reported the Detroit Free Press.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/25/rdmr-n25.html

Tyson to Close Major Beef Facility, Shafting 3,000 Workers After Boosting Stock Buybacks
The company said late last week that its decision to shutter the Lexington, Nebraska plant and scale back shifts at its Amarillo, Texas facility is “designed to right size its beef business and position it for long-term success” even as beef prices are close to record highs. The Wall Street Journal reported that Tyson and other meatpackers, which are facing federal scrutiny for allegedly colluding to drive up prices, “have been losing hundreds of millions of dollars processing beef because of the lowest amount of cattle on U.S. pastures since the 1950s.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/tyson-foods-stock-buybacks

Sinclair makes full takeover bid for Scripps
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Who is really behind the ‘Gen Z’ protests in Mexico?
A familiar sight awaited you if you were around the Zocalo of the National Palace of Mexico City on 15 November: One Piece flags, anti-government slogans, and clashes with the police. Has the revolution come? Is Mexico going through a similar uprising to Nepal or Madagascar? But something feels off: the guy holding the flag is 80 – hardly Gen Z. Another is held by a hooded man wearing a huge swastika. The words “Jewish whore,” aimed at President Claudia Sheinbaum, are spray-painted on the National Palace. Vicente Fox, the reactionary ex-president of Mexico, stands beside you in a bad disguise and a One Piece shirt. Almost no young people can be seen for blocks.
What the hell is going on?
https://marxist.com/who-is-really-behind-the-gen-z-protests-in-mexico.htm

Anthem Is Cutting Access to Out-of-Network Doctors
A new policy by the health insurer Anthem will penalize hospitals for using doctors outside of its coverage network. Anthem claims the move is designed to reduce its members’ out-of-pocket costs. But critics argue it will force medical facilities to police physicians’ network status, strong-arm doctors into accepting lower payments from health insurance companies, and could lead to fewer care options for patients. According to the new policy, which will take effect on January 1, Anthem will cut a hospital’s reimbursements by 10 percent whenever the facility submits a claim that includes services from out-of-network providers. Additionally, hospitals that rely on out-of-network service providers will risk “potential termination from Anthem’s networks,” according to Anthem’s notice. The policy will impact plans across eleven states, including Colorado, Georgia, and New Hampshire — all of which are managed by Elevance Health, a multibillion-dollar health company that operates Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans across fourteen states and serves millions of people.
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/anthem-health-insurance-hospitals-coverage

State-Sanctioned Jewish-Mob Terror in the West Bank
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>>2572015
>cucktollah flag
it's oger

Great, now everyone is going to focus on him being a child rapist and not his anticommunism and running cover for empire

SocDems: not even once

Don’t care; Parenti better

>>2572770
I remember my street getting locked down and like two helicopters overhead cause some dude mugged a guy in broad daylight and then tried escaping through peoples yards. Tried going to work and some cops had their guns drawn and yelled at me to go inside.

>>2572779
>I remember my street getting locked down and like two helicopters overhead cause some dude mugged a guy in broad daylight and then tried escaping through peoples yards. Tried going to work and some cops had their guns drawn and yelled at me to go inside.
My street was always getting locked down because of some police raid on some dude's home for drugs or weaspons or something. The flying pigs would stop people often and yell out them through the loudspeaker on their airship.

>>2572776
$7 for a hotdog is highway robbery holy shit

>>2572760
>La Costra Nostra
Why would Sicilians say "the our thing"?
It's just "our thing"
The cia added the "la" part.

>>2572776
is there a single person under the age of 25 who understands that you're = you are and your = something that belongs to you?

>>2572650
You’re acting threatened by an anonymous internet stranger you can walk away from at any time.

That’s not what a mature person does.

>>2572651
That’s not oppression, that’s depression, and you’re not going to fix the problem by demanding validation with an angry tone

>>2572652
What do you mean threatened? I don't give a fuck about you. The whole idea of anonymous discussion is to discuss things in non-psrsonal terms. You started by confusing me with op because you ate too stupid to be able to discuss issues in non-personalizef terms and you feel your anecdotes with zero details are proof of anything.

>>2572655
Yes, you’re acting threatened.

>>2572653
Fuck you and your tone policing ass. Try walking a mile in my shoes, oppressor.