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How do you reconcile that this revisionist is responsible for China being the only hope left for socialists? What does China‘s success change about Marxist thought?
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>>2565499
you need to actually read the book bro

Who cares? The libration of the working class will be done by the working class, first winning the battle for democracy, that is, establishing itself the ruling class of a nation. The PRC ain't gonna save you bro, it's up to us

>>2565498
No shit you simpleton. I‘m asking for how Deng‘s success changes Marxist thought.

>>2522744
>this revisionist
By accepting the fact that Marxism is a science and not a religious cult.

>>2565504
Marxism is a ideology, not a science


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/PRC/ People's Republic of China 17
>Taking the grillpill aboard Tiangong.
Original threads:
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>>2565468
>Except no deal has been signed
There's no hints from bytedance that the purchase is not going to take place. Another huge cope from you.

>>2565469
The US trade war on China has been ongoing since 2017 and they sanctioned China from key techs. The US imposed 145% tariffs on China at one point which is virtually a trade embargo, something qualitatively different than the other countries. They had to back down because they realize China has the manufacturing leverage and monopoy on rare earths.
>>2565474
And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen. Not from the state read outs from China after the negotations or from the company.

>>2565465
this is an intra-bourgeoisie spat at best

>silent boycott
lmfao this shit is the same crap they said about biden being unable to fulfill shipments quick enough, even though they just werent able to produce weapons fast enough. more cope from multipolarista sisters.

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>>2565479
>They had to back down
Trump had to back down from most trade disputes because they were asinine and counter-productive, are you going to argue that every manufacturing economy has huge leverage over the US?

>And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen.
literal fake news lmfao

>>2565486
>Trump had to back down from most trade disputes
lmao what do you mean, EU took it like a little bitch because they're a vassel and came out way worse from the deal.
>literal fake news lmfao
that was from Trump extending the ban deadline, they put out that message every three months. show me any announcement from bytedance saying oracle is buying tiktok. they have to get approval from xi and that hasn't happened. also notice your date is from sept 29, 1 month before negotiations even occured about it


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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit
https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP
https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2565440
And? You think your constant seething ITT is gonna turn German communists into fascists?

>>2565440
Koti außer beim Axel-Springer-Verlag findest du sicher keinen Platz an dem du willkommen bist ohne dafür zu bezahlen.

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>>2563925
Wir alle – und gerade in Deutschland –, kommen aus allen Regionen außerhalb von Deutschland. Wir alle haben rübergemacht, wenn man so will. Unsere Vorfahren stammen aus Skandinavien, aus dem Balkan, aus Russland, aus Italien. Und ich glaube, das ist etwas, das wir immer im Bewusstsein haben sollten. Dass wir alle irgendwann mal, zumindest unsere Vorfahren, hierhergekommen sind. Und diese Spur dieser Wanderung tragen wir bis heute alle in unseren Genen.

>>2565440
>Die
>Die

Wer ist 'die' du Spasst? Ich hab auf leftypol gepostet da war das ganze nur ein Thread auf 4chans /lit/-board lmao. Zu dieser Zeit hattest du noch nichtmal nen Fortnite account.

Also einfach mal die Fresse halten.

>>2565480
>nur ein Thread auf 4chans /lit/-board
Interessant, diese /leftypol/-lore ist mir nicht bekannt und ich lauere wortwörtlich hier seit seit den ersten Tagen auf 8chan /marx/ und /leftypol/ anno 2014. In welchem Jahre war das denn, Anon?


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Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises
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>>2565272
yes but why is he posting about him constantly now despite never mentioning him in over a year? is this a cope fad for AI retards?

>>2565278
idk, i think smith anon just posts here about whatever he is reading and has taken an interest in jevons lately, that is my charitable interpretation

>>2565390
well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

and mr smith is obsessed with robot powered UBI and saving capitalist from communist revolution.

this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

>>2565403
>and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

well yeah, he's a self admitted centrist lib but he's not going to save capitalism from communism by posting any more than we're going to defeat capitalism by posting.

>well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

I don't even see how that's a paradox. isn't it obvious that automation increases consumption of resource? A man with a chainsaw can process more wood than a man with a steel axe, and a man with a steel axe can process more wood than a man with a stone axe. This is why advancements in technology that increase the speed at which we process natural resources usually end up getting supplemented by other advancements in technology that increase the efficiency of our resource usage. Like miniaturization of transistors for example allow for more computing power to be packed into smaller and smaller chips, which is the principle by which Moore's law operated for decades. We're constantly working with changing situations.

>this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

I forget what his response to this one was. Something about Marx making up anthropocentric rules I guess

>>2565418
the idea was that an increase in the efficiency of steam engines would result in less coal use, but instead the increased efficiency led to the deployment of more and more steam power driving a demand for more coal. so as computers and AI become more powerful instead of needing less computers to do the same work we will increasingly use computers for more and more things,

presumably they think the increased demand overcomes infinite growth in a finite universe and you dont have to address the contradiction of private ownership

to me it just seems like an adjacent argument to the idea that while new technology like the loom destroys seamstresses it creates job for loom repairs, which as i said ignores the trpf, and of course also ignores that the transition to a service economy relies on imperialist extraction that boomerangs back around to the domestic economy eventually as capital returns to suck the remaining juices that are left in the husk they previously destroyed


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/US-Venezuela war/ #2
>Tired of the re-runs edition
>>2440521 Previous thread
https://archive.ph/4Dq3L Thread 1 Archive

The Real Reason the USA Is Attacking Latin America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWH-LPyTow
0:00 Trump's war on Latin America
1:04 (CLIP) Trump meddles in Argentina's election
1:23 US imperial strategy in Latin America
2:02 (CLIP) Trump wants Venezuela's oil
2:14 Natural resources
2:41 Ties with China and Russia
3:02 Oligarchic counter-revolution
4:11 US war on Venezuela
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Nothings burger

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>>2561528
>he should not have invaded Guyana
he didn't and the dispute isn't even over the land but drilling rights according to the land border. the countries are split by a river delta and guyana refuses to delineate according to UNCLOS and is illegally selling drilling contracts based on offshore borders made at a 45 degree angle northeast of the delta instead of a normal 90. its guyana trying to pull a kuwait on behalf of exxon by draining a basin that is inside venezuela by any reasonable metric

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not a unique or isolated issue btw. this and israel and ukraine are connected to the western petromonopoly and their desire to sell lng to euro instead of russia

>>2564810
Fidel couldn't be bothered to remember even Boltons name. Always find that funny.
>That bandit –I can’t recall the name of that guy they appointed, was it Bolton, Bordon, whatever– the man who represents the United States at the United Nations, a super-liar, the shameless liar


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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M., get the money
Riel, riel bill y'all

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>>2557926
Is this true?

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>no mention of "khmer rouge"

I don't know how to interpret pol pot.

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>>2565363
why do you feel you must interpret him, or anyone as an individual at all? i mean it would theoretically be kind of interesting to approach pol pot from a schizoanalytic angle but that seems >>>/dead/ on arrival


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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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How to explain the concept of exploitation via the extraction of surplus value as source of profit in layman's terms.

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>>2564730
>How to explain the concept of exploitation via the extraction of surplus value as source of profit in layman's terms.

>>2564730
>You work and create things that are worth more than your wage.
>The boss pays you less than the value you create.
>????
>The boss keeps the rest as PROFIT.

>>2564246
>This is bait, right?
Yes and no. I’m genuinely interested in how Marxists view him and this was just a method of getting that insight.

>>2564730
>exploitation via the extraction of surplus value as source of profit
But.
It's the price the worker must pay for having a job. The job is value. If you own a bakery and pay the worker the full value for every bread he bakes, you can't buy intrigents, an oven and everything else you need to run a bakerery. You need a minimum of profit to keep it running, don't you?


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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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>>2564060
Nothing says "choosing your own future" like accepting millions of dollars from foreign governments and the regime change industry. Totally independent opposition politician.

>>2563924
topkek. it's even more over for europe every day.

>German Chancellor Merz:

>Last week in Brazil, I asked the journalists with me who wanted to stay. No one raised a hand.

>Everyone was relieved to return to Germany that Friday night—especially given the place we were in.

<Eduardo Paes, mayor of Rio de Janeiro, defends Belém and calls the German chancellor a “Hitler’s vagabond offspring” and a “Nazi”.
you guys make me laugh


>>2564137
Manned fighter jets are relics from cold war.


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How can someone with so little power inside Russia be sitting next to the God-Emperor of People's Republic of China?
Is Zyuganov actually more powerful than it seems?
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>>2564686
Meeting opposition leaders is normal. Plus, the CPRF officially claims to be a communist party. The CPC does not shut off to potentially soft power influence.

Someone post the clip of Putin's cabinet having a giggle about Zyuganov

>>2564686
at this point the communist party of the Russian federation is an extension of the will of the Russian federation, this is just a way to extend ties with Russia.

>>2564686
Xi is a humble man and likes to spend time with common peasantry.

>>2564702
They don't even vet parties before asking them to come because they're that confident. Straight up CIA fronts like Haz's ACP showed up.


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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2565174
You want to keep the imperial core a labor aristocracy instead of seeing the core proletarianized. Class mobility is not a communist goal.

>>2565182
Dude, the West has lost expertise in many, many different productive spheres, instead relying on Chinese imports - which results in 2 trillions in goddamn deficits per year in USA alone.

>>2565183
Nurses, and service economy in general, is dependent on average wage and product output in a country. If you have a whole lot of dollar millionaires who want to live rich, service industry is going to be booming. And if service industry is the only fucking place that's good, why would you become an engineer?

What fucking labor aristocracy? You don't even need unions because your jobs are precarious bullshit that can be safely closed with no loss to society or even yourself

>>2564933
>Capitalist crisis destroys level of life, it's not JUST crisis of overproduction.
To separate "crisis" with "destruction of life" is asinine. You defy Karl Marx Thought. Karl Marx said all capitalist crises are overproduction. Crisis is when imperialists steal too much, not too little.
>In case of USA, crisis manifests as US goods and services as not being market competitive, i.e. American population was deemed excessive by the Hand of the Free Market
Material laws of competition and value operate to full effect in monopolist capitalism. When vulgar imperialists say that they suffer from high prices, they only demand more plunder.

>>2565182
Imperialists taxing themselves is given but UBI is an imperialist tax on all workers and peasants.

>Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment.
I'm guessing you made a mistake there, but no they haven't been, porkies sometimes liked Keynes and were trying to reach for full national employement after WW2 at least in the west, through government programs and such.


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