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>>2581141
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

>>2549046
The point Marx is making is about abstract labor and "abstract value", i.e. what does it mean to value something, rather than regarding value merely as a convenience for exchange in some token. Even if you didn't have money as such in any form, you'd still have the same problem of value presented as something different. The planner of a socialist economy still has to deal with value, exploitation, and all of the things that are required to get something out of labor.

>>2578826
>here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
If you ever get around, for the first time in your life, to read a whole paragraph of Marx, let it be the one that you just quoted from here. Note that the deviations in the following do not refer to temporary supply-demand fluctuations, but how parts systematically diverge from the total average:
<Taken together, the commodities are sold at 2 + 7 + 17 = 26 above, and 8 + 18 = 26 below their value, so that the deviations of price from value balance out one another through the uniform distribution of surplus-value, or through addition of the average profit of 22 per 100 units of advanced capital to the respective cost-prices of the commodities I to V. One portion of the commodities is sold above its value in the same proportion in which the other is sold below it. And it is only the sale of the commodities at such prices that enables the rate of profit for capitals I to V to be uniformly 22%, regardless of their different organic composition. The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production. They have as their prerequisite the existence of a general rate of profit, and this, again, presupposes that the rates of profit in every individual sphere of production taken by itself have previously been reduced to just as many average rates. These particular rates of profit = s/C in every sphere of production, and must, as occurs in Part I of this book, be deduced out of Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2581998
marx wants to overcome the concept of value by overcoming the abstraction of labour in exchange (e.g. via central planning). thats why he doesnt consider labour certificates "money", and so we can call them coupons. of course, you would call it slavery to be paid a salary in coupons, but in communism, this is "freedom", apparently. marx also states directly that labour must be exploited by the state in the form of surplus labour and taxation to expand production. thus, i call marx's communism "state capitalism".
>>2582003
price = exchange-value = SNLT
an easy marxist formula. lets read this:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
i.e. total price = total value
this is why as marx says, whatever is sold above value must be balanced by what is sold below. when considered totally of capital composition therefore, the rate of surplus value is able to be determined so as to measure the value of commodities:
<C = c + v + s
as regards your elevator analogy, its still true that the average is affected by varying quantities, so the rate of profit still equalises at the division of its total sum. but i will ask you - if 5 people are weighed, and the total is 500 kilograms, what is the average weight of the persons? what is true is that a larger sample size creates better results, but averages exist nonetheless.

so, by reading marx's words directly (i.e. total price = total value), have you accepted that the ratio of values in exchange are measured by SNLT in prices, and that this is how marx intended himself to be interpreted? if not, may you explain why? thanks. 🙂

>>2548723
Workers power within capitalism has very little to do with communism in that case. If this is true, why do MLs insist on political capture before the development of new economic relations?



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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2581965
I blame TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter. ESPECIALLY Twitter because it was the start of short form content outpacing longer content.

>>2581993
>I recommend Sally Engels on the origin of the family
>also Harry Braverman's "Labor and Monopoly Capital".

Why?

>I recommend Robert Chapman's "Empire of Normality". I've also heard good things about Althusser and Bruce Cohen's "Psychiatric Hegemony". I also recommend Vierkant and Adler-Bolton's "Health Communism: A Surplus Manifesto". There's actually some fairly good work on Marxism and disability.

How does solve the problem?

>>2575163
>This is a Franken-left. I won’t even call it a “left”.

Literally every generation says this. Old Left comrades like the ones who participated in CPUSA in its heyday and who went to jail during McCarthyism hated the 60s/boomer New Left. Those same boomers who were active in the New Left all hated the Gen X/xennial left from the 90s. Gen X/xennial leftists who participated in the anti-globalization movement all mocked millennial leftists for being too sensitive about feminist and queer issues. Now millennial leftists like you cry about zoomer leftists being too sensitive to neurodivergent issues and issues regarding generational trauma. This is the SAME SHIT in every generation. "Why isn't the left the way it was when I was 21?" BECAUSE MATERIAL CONDITIONS CHANGE YOU FUCKING MORON.

You know how when conservatives are asked what period in US history they consider to be the "good old days" they always point to the time when they were 10? Aging leftists like you are no different. When asked about when you think the left was good you'll always point to the time when you were in college and ask why the new generation of college students doesn't believe what you believed when you were their age. This isn't hard to see.

>>2581993
How are any of these texts relevant to someone who was molested by her stepfather and has crippling PTSD because of it?

>>2575163
Would be interesting to understand why Gen Z is so obsessed with trauma.



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #3
>Third Heaven Edition

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max blumenthal debated a venezuelan gusano. i expected better arguments from the opposition but they were just terrible as you can imagine. it was mainly that venezuela will not turn into libya, syria, due to us intervention, because those are backward muslim countries and venezuela is part of the civilised west.

>>2582242
scamming american tourists is third worldist praxis
based street vendors are fighting the real battle

>>2582213
>it is not a good look for the left
lol who gives a fuck the US will bomb innocent people you fucking retard
take this "muh optics" bullshit to /USApol/ and then kill yourself

>>2582243
How do you know?




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Next year marks 18 years since the Great Recession. There is going to be a massive black hole in consumption where the children of Millennials are supposed to be. A lot of people won't be turning 18 next year. They won't be on campus. They won't buy cars. They won't work and pay taxes. They certainly will never invest in the stock market or real estate.

As this happens, AI has already cleaned up the entry level knowledge work market. This process actually started in 2020 when Western students stopped paying tutors in Africa and Asia to write their crappy undergrad essays because of ChatGPT. I seriously think that if we don't beat concessions out of the ruling class in the 2030s, then we never will. They will figure out a way to install a surveillance state and abolish the proletariat with soma and techno-lobotomies.

Organize or else.
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>>2581021
>All this just to advocate gay ass social democracy
Ok then

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>>2581361
>Your faggy little book club?
Yes.

I think it's inevitable that they will roll out a paltry universal basic income along with the incoming central bank digital currencies that will act as a control system for the poor that can debank and impoverish anyone at any time while allowing some freedom to select treats. I think there is no intention nor possibility to bring back productive jobs barring a massive debt crisis from dedollarization that makes labor in the west cheap again and available for future Chinese investment. That is decades away and the elites would probably prefer ww3 instead

>>2581361
>that 100 million members of the CPC are incapable of grasping?
This jewish nigger believes in the marketplace in ideas. This is a two-hundred and seventy-third type of liberalism.
What's the largest organization you've been part of?

>>2581361
its funny how mad american leftists get when you shatter their delusion of china as a hecking saviour of the international proletariat



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2582189
>fatalistic
>he thinks he is talking to party members
Individual does not poses will and consciousness okay?

>>2582223
>muh decisive class traitors

>>2582230
A disproportionate number of successful revolutionaries have been "decisive class traitors".

Professional revolutionaries and the masses they organize are different classes, read mao.

>>2582225
It is serious times. It's time to get serious.

>>2582233
Fine. Reading theory doesnt make one immune tho

>>2581953
>It will be over in a month, tops
Okay but he goes first



 

>burgerland
>bourgeoisville located outside of a major city
>cant fucking breathe, feeling like i'm about to pass out
>call ambulance
>takes at least 6 minutes to arrive
>arrive at hospital
>put in wheelchair and taken to waiting area
>there's a fucking line
>wait 20 minutes
>get triaged, EKG, wait another 10 minutes
>get a room, blood drawn, wait some more
>see the doctor for like 5 minutes, describe symptoms
>at least an hour later get breathing drug
>get discharged shortly after, can breathe a bit better but still feel like shit and nothing shows up on the bare minimum tests they do
>"how are you getting home?"
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I just don't see doctors. I have money and insurance I've just developed a phobia. Reading about your experience definitely makes me want to skip it unless I absolutely need it. Wouldn't recommend what I'm doing but I'm stopping unless I get really sick or hurt.

>>2582043
*not stopping

lol i assure you doctors are pieces of shit everywhere, and nurses are even worse somehow

As a non-burger, Michael Moore's Sicko was an eye-opener. Incomparable to other Western countries, despite our problems. If you want a far better version of Moore's political stunts, try ''Chaser's War on Everything.

For real, >>2582046 unfortunately hasn't seen what good looks like. I've had both bad (didn't notice an obvious fracture in an x-ray that the caster noticed in under two seconds, one that [jokingly] accused me of faking excruciating testicular torsion that almost suffocated a testicle) and some excellent ones. There are piece of shit doctors everywhere, but doctors aren't pieces of shit everywhere.

Also shout out to the rural retard doctor that a /leftypol/ comr8 mentioned who, when our comr8 told them they were having alcohol withdrawal tremors, told them to stop drinking alcohol. Literally lethal advice.



 

Doesn't the fact that CHINA has multiple STOCK exchanges, prove that its CAPITALIST? How do le elder scroll ones explain this? Even old turn of the century imperial germany was closer to socialism than modern day China.
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>>2581084
he also praised him in comparison to eg kautsky

>>2581416
nah they still would be they would just make up arbitrary early marx late marx bs like they already do

>>2581476
The only difference between Marx and Lenin is the material conditions. Lenin = Marx.

>>2581523

>1.Vanguard Parties

>You aren’t supposed have them period.
3. Marx’s hope for russia
>because reasons.

As capitalism experiences a crisis of profitability, two things can happen. Either the concrete members of the bourgeoisie, petit-bourgeoisie and professionals surrender to monopoly capitalism by allowing themselves to be cannibalised by monopolies and/or seeking employment from these monopolies. What is technically counted profit is really from the standpoint of the economy as a whole functions as monopoly rent. This is primarily facilitated by stock markets in our day, where value flows from the real economy to the fictitious economy and monopolies.

The other option is a socialist revolution. This has already happened in China. The Chinese government holds a huge stake in the economy and has the political power and will to nationalize companies that seek to turn into monopolies. This is described by President Xi as the fight against "the disorderly expansion of capital". Look at how Jack Ma's attempts to break the state monopoly on banking was handled or how the recent real estate crisis where the companies responsible were forced to take the fall instead of getting a bailout and allowing their monopolistic behaviour to continue.

The Chinese stock market does not facilitate the outflow of value from the real economy. As a whole it doesn't appreciate in value, it always stays constant. Its only function is to force companies to be accountable to the general public, as the ratio of small investors is much greater and to allow people to legally gamble.



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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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>>2561222
>>2561235
Don't forget to mention they're Trots lol

German government collapse is. imminent.

Belgian authorities just raided the EU Diplomatic Service and the College of Europe Graduate School. 3 arrested, among them former vice-president and former head of the EU diplomatic service and current director of the school.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/02/former-eu-top-diplomat-federica-mogherini-arrest-fraud-investigation

>>2581504
Kallas next please.

>>2581407
let's just hope this time around they kill the right ones



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L/Acc Edition

Mods, don't move this thread to /latam/. This general is meant for English language discussion of Brazilian politics focusing on an international audience (think of it as our embassy on this board).

PT-BR: >>>/latam/13593
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>>2581746
Pwned. For the time being. They will probably release him to run for the 2026 presidential elections, tho.

>>2581752
>>2581754
how are brazilians rightoids handling the situation?

>>2581755
They are in the "trust the plan" phase. Opportunists are trying to launch themselves as an "heir" to Bolsonaro's legacy while his family tries to keep the cohesion. Truth is, Lula is in a much more comfortable position with him in jail, as no alternative to Bolsonaro can match his popularity.

Call me when that dwarf stops cucking the brazilian working class (showed no solidarity when there was mass mobilization to end 6 day work week) and breast feeding bankers, speculators and rentiers.

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>>2581759
>his family tries to keep the cohesion
His family who?
His wife just messed up their plans for Ceará state, sparking Mr. former-4th-International-superstar's fury.



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2581524

Get Ghana & Nkrumah pilled.







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