/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2585241
In the digital grass touching parts of the internet, it isn't. On twitter it probably is idk I deleted my twitter.

>>2583910
>Always wondered how MLs can believe in Democratic Centralism but then have different national parties around the world making separate decisions and ending up with contradictory policies. Does the word CENTRALISM have meaning or not?
>How do basic large scale organisations work? Why didn't stalin just decide what every single communist did in their local union meeting, personally?

The decisions made by the comintern were binding to all it's members. You simply do not actually know history.

The political trade-off of unity in action through common decisions vs guarding against trying to generalized tactics that only work in specific contexts is as old as time and will never end. Additionally, a lot of contradictory decisions are arrived at because of forms of national chauvinism or opportunism, whether conscious or unconscious. Every communist in power, no matter how disciplined, feels the weight of the survival of their own socialist experiment on their shoulder, and no amount of abstract long term 6d chess "it would be beneficial for the revolution" actual arguments can convince a whole communist country to throw themselves onto the sword. People are not drones, which is why you cannot just send endless armies into their death as if you are playing age of empires in real life either, soldiers won't willingly go on suicide missions as a rule. Thats why generals keep the people actually dying in the dark about the grand strategic tradeoffs, and always have a plausible explanation for why their sacrificed pawns were not intended to die, to tell the widows.

The soviets, even the most hardline ones, did foreign policy that first and foremost protected the soviet union as a state. The chinese likewise will not sacrifice themselves in a ball of fire for world revolution. It is therefore actually more important not to advocate for absurdist ultra-centralism like you do, which in history has just led to all the parties operating in capitalist countries to be forced to tow the foreign policy line of the established communist nations, even if those actions turned out to be extremely detrimental to local organizing success and the global communist movement.

>>2585264
>inb4 retards who in comparison make Stalin look like an anarchist go "There is only one communism"
Then why didn't this one true way to do communism work everywhere?
>Well you see, local conditions eh
Then there is the gap between what you say and what you, deep inside, know to be true, and why you must realize to let go of the dogmatism that has yielded no results in almost a century in most of the west, and half a century or more in the non alligned world.

>>2585076
it's capitalist globalism, I want communist globalism

>>2585264
>You simply do not actually know history.
Whew, glad to know the Sino Soviet split never existed. It was all fever dream, the USSR is still going strong and communist movement will sweep away the dying capitalist powers any day now.
>The political trade-off of unity in action through common decisions vs guarding against trying to generalized tactics that only work in specific contexts is as old as time
Yes and sooner or later there needs to be a world body that make decision for the world policy.
>will never end.
Of course it will end eventually. And when that happens there will be one communist global order to organize it.
>It is therefore actually more important not to advocate for absurdist ultra-centralism like you do
Just because it's difficult to coordinate several nations and subordinate them to a larger body, does not mean it is no longer a goal.

Also all the nations you speak of were forced together in the first place so I don't see why their current identity suddenly becomes sacred only now. China and the Han Chinese only became as large as it is by conquering thousands of smaller people over many thousands of years. We only refer to them as single people now because they forced many separate peoples to have their identities merged. This is literally how all current nations and ethnicities formed in the first place. Why are communist demanding this process arbitrarily stop now?

>>2579328
>>2579340
What did he do?

>>2584429
Sometimes I hear stories from the NHS, and particularly the way doctors treat people, look down on people, don't believe them, gaslight them, and its kinda got nothing to do with funding because it would be cheaper to listen to them the first time rather than do follow up appointments where you are subsequently told the last guy misdiagnosed you, and sometimes, along with many other things I get this thought that it is actually cultural.

Not in a racist way nonononono but actually british people are among the most class concious people in the world, in a bad way, we are so status driven and oritentated, take such great joy in looking down on people and shitting on people are just cunts, that doctors being cunty is a product of the fact everyone is a cunt here

>>2585128
in my dark phase of thinking anyways

>>2585128
>the way doctors treat people, look down on people, don't believe them, gaslight them
thats just a common problem with doctors (at least on the other side of the channel its a common criticism as well). They're well educated, high status, paid well enough, which is normal because they do deal with people health and life threatening situations, but it also obviously go to their head a bit. They're also very hierarchical and used to being obeyed (often by women), and used to being the sole responsible of the medical decision, and have petty bourgeois mentality (being their own boss). All of which tend to not punish bad behavior
And their material incentives is to do quick diags without paying too much attention to details, statistically its the most efficient use of their time (people misdiagnosed will come back and pay again anyway), even if of course, from the pov of the patient, its awful and can lead to real damage

>>2580153
The SWP is a detail, the bigger question is really: Why is factionalism such a danger for party democracy? And the answer is that the combo winner-takes all elections + delegates voting for delegates makes it very easy for a tiny and well-organized minority to completely dominate everything.

>>2580070
>>mix of delegates and lottery winners
>is actually good. When it was all lottery winners, that was dumb, but this serves to blunt the power of delegates and mitigate chicanery and fuckery to some extent by halving their overall power- but you still get that function where people back somebody who is good at communicating and arguing for things. Its actually kind of good
Yeah makes sense.

>>2585128
>>2585262
Playing devils advocate perhaps, but isn't it possible that people generally only go to the doctor when they're either in pain or fear for their health or both and are upset because a professional who sees people believing themselves to be on the verge of death all day every day, aren't showing the same level of concern as they themselves are?

>>2583293
>I've never understood why the western left places so much significance on Israel-Palestine.
The Palestine struggle used to be led by the PLO, socdem nationalists funded by the USSR. It's cold war legacy.

>>2582414
People pay more attention to Gaza because their own governments are actively complicit in backing Israel. Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved. You can protest Gaza because your government has actual leverage over Israel, which isn't the case with Sudan. There is a lot more exposure to Palestine because of cultural ties with Israel (people are constantly asked to apologize for Israel and condemn Hamas). Kashmiris are even more light skinned and "caucasian white-adjacent" than the average Palestinian but the Western left rarely talks about them. Afghans are very light skinned but you saw more people protest the Iraq war than oppose the Afghan one and even leftists treated Afghans as backward savage pedophiles. So its not a simple skin color thing okay.

Palestine has also become a left wing cause in a way Sudan, Somalia, Kashmir etc. have not. Leftists have become pro-Palestine out of herd mentality and there's a generation of Palestinian activists in the West that pander to the woke center left crowd. The Sudanese diaspora is much smaller and not as well connected. Leftists don't give a shit because its not a hot button issue and they are more fixated on how bad NATO is etc. Since Trump came to office, he's ramped up drone strikes in Africa but whenever you see woke center left progressives talk about the War on Terror they use the past tense, as if its all in the past and doesn't happen anymore. Americans and Europeans are generally extremely egocentric and don't care about issues they can't be connected to. There's no obvious connection with Sudan, so they don't care.

There's a kind of third world phobia too. Sudanese and Kashmiris are overhwelmingly rural, socially conservative, and religious Muslims. All of these are things Western wokies hate in their own society (see classist jokes about how retarded rural Americans are and rednecks etc). Even if they hate Hamas, they generally see Palestinians as people who can be romantic noble savage indigenous people who will one day grow up to be progressive, queer, and urban etc. Few Sudanese or Kashmiris speak English and use social media, most are rural farmers etc. so Westoids never see them and dismiss them as dumb hicks.

>>2584563
>Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved.
I sure whished communists in Russia would protests against the genocide in Sudan.

I saw that reddit thread in your picrel OP, the comments made me sad honestly. They're acting like the US didn't invade Somalia.

No Jews no news

I think this is more an inevitable effect of America collapsing. In 1990 and 1991 when the Soviet system started collapsing, most ethnic groups, including Russians, began pushing for independence. Same in Yugoslavia. Why not in America?

>>2585101
because the USA weren't dumb enough to l give self-determination to local LARPers,letting them recreate their spooky national identity. they just said everybody is american and murdered the natives enough that they can't claim the land either.

>>2585110
i've never seen an nation with as much state independance and many times differing culture as the US anon.

>>2585192
Yeah, nah. American states aren't nations with different languages. People in other countries sometimes project their own historical experiences onto the U.S. and think of Texas as like some potential separatist republic because you have some kind of quasi-national larping there to distinguish the brand, but nobody from here thinks of themselves as "not American." Also geographical cultural/political split today is urban-rural anyways and they fight over this contested idea of what "America" is.

What happened in a wide swath of the world is that several empires collapsed at the end of World War I and a bunch of new states formed out of that and most of them failed. The U.S. is not a new state, it's one of the oldest continuous constitutional systems in the world and the civic nationalist identity is deeply internalized and very strong. There are no big powers next to it that can take off chunks of its territory.

Caveat is Hawaii. There are Hawaiian seperatists who really don't see themselves as Americans but there are not that many. Another group of indigenous people who were conquered by the U.S. military and swamped by settlers. Actually the largest single ethnic group in Hawaii is Japanese-American.

>>2584839
Nonsense. The material base of sexism is domestic labor and the female labor force participation rate. Unfortunately, there is a much larger need for domestic labor in the periphery and much less demand for labor in general. It's no different than how Gaza has an abysmal female labor participation rate of 20%. This is due to Palestinians being fucking genocided but the result remains. The solution is a planned economy which can drive down managerial overheads and drive up employment rates.

>>2584789
>"LGBT" imperialism
<look inside
>Christian Nationalist White Supremacists

what is this bullshit where people scapegoat teh gayz for imperialism

>>2584811
I made that btw

>I don’t know where the op is from but this type of left-wing-homophobia is common blowback for how the west acts all high and mighty for being so “Progressive” with queer people while exploiting the global south.
it's not blowback since the "west" treating LGBT people with any humanity whatsoever is a very VERY recent development, as is the pinkwashing of NATO. During the cold war, I would argue the imperialist west was just as, or possibly even more 'phobic than the USSR.

>>2584864
>The Ukrainazis killed thousands of ethnic Russians before Russia came to liberate them genocide
Are you referring to the allegations of genocide is Donbas? Because I’m sure that there were tons of massacres of Ethnic Russians and tons of discrimination against them. However there was no genocide and it’s just a made up claim by Putin to justify his imperialist conquest of Ukraine. Russia is not a liberator, there just moving Ukraine from one bad to another, how is bombing apartment buildings and abducting Ukrainian children and putting them in boarding schools where they are forced to only speak Russian “Liberating?”

Moved to >>>/siberia/731915.

>>2585167
Dangerously based.

>>2585167
I know this. But this will potentially be a bit risky even for him because he'll essentially be reporting on people fighting back against US planes, ships and potentially even infantry.

>>2585181
The JDPON will protect him.

>>2585167
Patrick Lancaster is a based autist. Like if Napoleon Dynamite became a war correspondent.

You can tell Patrick is totally shot. His nerves are fucked.

>>2584415
Everyone is a trailer trash to you, your own father is a repping trccn while you are the only smart girl in existence. Drink yourseld to death, trccn.

>>2584415
>>2584493
Why are you samefagging without changing your typing quirk per-character. You're supposed to make OCs with character sheets if you're gonna samefag.

"material analysis" means "economic analysis"
marx did not propose an ontology

>>2584968
Yeah, closest you can mangling material analysis into an ontology is that one anon's jingle of "only that which matters exists for all intents and purposes," but that's not even close to something Marx said, that's just a new idea.

>>2584290
we have failed the children

>>2579242
It likely wont be possible, sadly. This work is still-in-print and Charlier's family controls the rights. While it's entirely possible that they'd give the project their blessing, this wouldn't be something I could just take straight to a publisher. My current plan is it archive it on Library Genesis and format a digital version which could be bound from home.

Preface (1954)

Relatively few in number have, concerning the formation of the nation, presented the results of their work, and that work has been fragmentary. But through their work the materiality of the facts is now established, the essential character of the events acquired, barring, as always, a few possible clarifications and details.

It was inevitable that, from these accumulated scattered materials, a general overview would emerge; where the interplay of all these fragments, succeeding one another and clashing according to a rhythm, could be shown to conform to the laws of history which condition the constants of social evolution since the organization of the first societies.

The author of this book devoted himself to this task. Here is the result of enormous labor. So many questions which, until now, remained obscure in their complexity or poorly explained in their causality, despite the efforts of researchers, are treated and analyzed here according to the strictest methods of modern information. The mechanism that was the secret driving force, under a myriad of appearances, whose processes disconcerted the shortsightedness of many commentators, is explained here.

With an unparalleled wealth of detail, colonial society is brought back to life, torn between the demands of a revolutionary period and the imperative of class interests. Hence its inconsistencies, its sycophantic concessions, a seesaw game that is merely the political representation of the contradictions inherent to a political system destined for the worms. Hence the tenacious, fierce struggle of a reactionary bourgeoisie braced in defense of its privileges against the rush of the enslaved masses determined to violently seize the end of their exploitation; against the rise of the freedmen seeking to complete, through the conquest of political rights, the status acquired through the power of money.

The clarity of this critique, sharpened by the objective methods of the laws of science, is manifest in the examination of this Southern War where, alongside a question of epidermal nuance which is certainly not to be minimized, there is inscribed an economic content of capital importance. This refers to the action of the two colonialist powers, the English and the Yankee, trying to secure their interests against the French, as well as the class struggle in Saint-Domingue which had reached a point of exasperation.

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>>2579422
*Lechaud is referring to Toussaint L'Ouverture

Chapter 1.1 - The Conquistadors Found Hispaniola Upon the Ruins of Indigenous Communities

On December 6, 1492, while the natives of Marien(1) were peacefully going about their daily routines, they saw the arrival of three caravels(2) carrying men of an unknown race: it was Christopher Columbus and his companions who, after having discovered San Salvador and Cuba, landed in Haïti, which the admiral designated by the name of Hispaniola or “Little Spain”.

The Cacique of Marien, Guacanagaric, being of a peaceful nature, received the Spaniards with open arms and even granted Columbus a site to build a fort "La Natividad" with the debris of the Santa Maria, which had been shipwrecked. The admiral left a contingent there before departing for Spain.

However, as was to be expected, the Spaniards departed Fort La Natividad expecting to act as masters and lords: they had an easy time with the gentle Guacanagaric but when they moved on to Maguana, in search of gold, they found themselves facing a man of a different caliber: the Cacique Caonabo, of the warrior race of the Caribs.(3) The intrepid Indian chief massacred them all, invaded Marien, and reduced Fort La Natividad to ashes.

Columbus soon returned to Hispaniola, but this time, with the necessary forces for the conquest and military occupation of the country. The invaders founded Isabella, on the northern coast and, starting from this base, invaded the interior of the island. Caonabo and Guarionex, Cacique of Magua, marched against the city but suffered setbacks. Shortly after, thanks to a ruse, Alonso de Ojeda succeeded in seizing Caonabo, still the most formidable enemy of the colonizers. The unfortunate cacique, chained, perished when the boat that was transporting him to Spain sank. The Natives, under the orders of a brother of Caonabo, Manicatex, attempted to avenge their fallen chief; armed simply with arrows, they confronted the Spanish cavalry and muskets at the battle of La Vega Real in 1495, but the outcome of the struggle could not be in doubt. The natives were cut to pieces, devoured by ferocious dogs, and massacred by the thousands. The great, very Christian admiral had no scruples about reducing the vanquished to slavery. In the name of “repartimientos”, each of Columbus's companions received allotments of slaves either to work in the golPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Chapter 1.1 Notes

(1) When it was found by Europeans, the Island, which its inhabitants called Quisqueya, Bohio or Haïti interchangeably, was divided into five caciquats or kingdoms: 1. Marien in the northwest, 2. Magua in the northeast, 3. Maguana in the center, 4. Xaragua in the southwest, and 5. Higüey in the southeast. The caciques were respectively Guacanagaric, Guarionex, Caonabo, Bohéchio, and Cotubanama.

The population, composed of Arawaks (Taínos) who probably came from South America, having conquered the country from the Ciboneys generally reduced to slavery but of whom some groupings perhaps remained more or less autonomous in the extreme tip of the southern peninsula (Guacavarina, that is to say the current Tiburon), was in the Neolithic era with a relatively advanced agriculture since it cultivated most of the plant species that ensure the food supply of the Haitian masses today (see Jacques Roumain, Contribution à l'étude de l'ethnobotanique précolombienne des Grandes Antilles and Michel Aubourg, Mémoire sur les cultures précolombiennes, Ciboney et Taíno. These two works are publications of the Bureau d'Ethnologie de la République d'Haïti, the first from February 1942 and the second from February 1951). This population perhaps amounted to 1 and a half million.

(2) The Niña and the Santa Maria landed at the current Bay of Môle Saint-Nicolas while the Pinta visited ports further east because its commander, Martin Alonse Pinçon, had surreptitiously separated from Columbus after their departure from Cuba on November 21, thinking of being the first to lay hands on the gold mines of Cibao, where natives of Haiti taken from Cuba were leading them (see Father Charlevoix, Histoire de l'Île Espagnole ou St-Domingue, M.D.CC,XXX edition, volume one, p. 90 and following).

(3) The Caribs populated the Lesser Antilles but had often made incursions against the Taíno of Haiti, “especially those of Higüey”: they were of warrior customs.

(4) In his letter to the lord Raphael Sanchez, treasurer of Their Catholic Majesties, Christopher Columbus writes: “As far as I have learned, every man throughout these islands is united to but one wife, with the exception of the kings and princes, who are allowed to have twenty: the women seem to work more than the men. I could not clearly understand whether the people possess any private property, for I pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2584777
>he's been doing it for hecking years,
Larouche entire political deal is blaming others for the behaviour of the US, from brittain to israel, he completely denies the US is the main benefector of the abuses and violence they do, it is just americope.
>when it was a mortal sin to even look at the Zionist entity wrong.
only if you were not a leftist, you know, an actual communist, that were against israel since PLO, but go on, the mentaly retard supporter of fascism is acktually the biggest antizionist evar.
>>2584779
> would say modern anti Zionism wouldn't exist without LaRouche.
completely delusional hazigger cope, he just did what monkeys from the right do and tried to steal something that existed before themselves and go "we wuz antizionists and shieeet", maoists were arming and training palestinians while Larouche was being a buttboy to right wing clowns wanting a political teat to suckle his grift from like his modern diciple haz.
it's incredible how these ACPickmes to the orange pedophile are mentally stunted.

>>2584779
Anti-Zionism =/= anti-imperialism

There are white supremacists who are anti-Zionist yet support mass subjugation of non-whites.

>>2574004
It's a totally liberal sentiment. They want their personal freedom of expression to not be impinged, but they aren't dealing at all with questions like why they want what they want, or how it impacts others. It's an individualist and unsystemic vision. If they wanted the freedom to shape society in order to shape themselves, that's beginning to be something illiberally left. That level of desire for power over society scares the hoes tho, it's not socially acceptable to want (even if it's "authentic" ;')).

Also isn't this basically outdated by now? There isn't much materially stopping anyone from being their authentic self, everything in capitalism is posed as a voluntary engagement. If you're restricted in the workplace, go somewhere else. If you're restricted by your religion, leave it. If you're restricted by your family, cut them off. Even though it's not true in aggregate, everything individually takes the form of voluntary relationships. This kind of critique is for children, since they're the only ones under that kind of control. As an adult this critique doesn't hold water anymore, and either the child who made the critique is satisfied with their adult freedoms, or moves on to a more systemic critique about the limits of their self-creation due to their environment (limited free time, public spaces, third spaces, limited funds to engage in available activities, and so on).

The adult critique i hear most often is "there's nothing going on/nothing to do here". That sums up the adult issue, which is one of an environment that's not enriching or accessible to working people. Life becomes meaningless when the only guarantee is that you can live to work. And even that is a privilege, because you can easily become unemployed and equally broke. The solution to this is only revolution, since reform is also inaccessible.

>>2584615
Why? Again, this point needs to be hammered into the ground: This isn't the left a 37 year old knew 10-13 years ago.
Fine, but what the fuck did the left they knew achieve? Really, I'm taking all answers here because the best I've got is the 15 minutes on 8/leftypol/ where a SocDem was pirate posting.
Which was more like 8 years ago, and really if you're fair about it, zoomer in-jokes are probably equally good if you're there in the discord enjoying the context instead of trapped in this shithole with 30 year olds undergoing a midlife crisis.