/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2583069
It's not that the left worships a certain color (or shade for that matter)

Campists are unable to see beyond capitalism, all they're good for is being useful idiots for capitalists. Many leftists are directly backed by said capitalists who cry for 'reform', in this historical epoch the non-western capitalists found their alibi in 'multipolarism' (implying the world hasn't been one for the past century)

I question how any westerner could worship the 'east' when it's a concept invented by orientalists? They don't. Western campists don't see brown workers as humans. Try being brown and criticizing your wholesome dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that slaughters and oppresses you on the daily. The 'color revolution' witch hunt is more evident that westerners don't view us as subjects of history, we are mere conceptions in their grand moral crusade.

Just like the colonial orientalist, the western campist cannot perceive class. For him the 'east' is a monolith with no internal contradictions.

To add to this you just have to look at their new found veneration of Burkina Faso's mercenary-backed Junta

Or their spineless defence of the neoliberal imperialist Russian regime

It was never about color

OMG

The zionist-adjacent loops you are drawing to pass for anti-Israel pro-palestine chauvinism for something that can much more easily be explained:

By the simple fact that indeed, Zionism is mostly rooted (other than Israel) in western, specifically NATO and allied places, and therefore the Palestinian question is necessarily more present and, like everything, warped by the liberal spin on it.

>>2582431
>Plus news reporting, journalists making that very bias will write about one more than the other. So it compounds multiplicatively.
>the actual reason is that israel exercises a lot of power in the us and the internet and global media in general are all american or downstream from american media
>>2582780
>As you said events like the Malian army being assraped by jihadists or the killings in Sudan are just business as usual in the American mind.
The media can shape what's "important" and what isn't, but it also responds to what gets attention as well because different news outlets compete with each other for traffic. I can tell you that anything involving Africa gets a fraction of the traffic compared to other conflicts. People see anything involving Africa in a headline and they keep scrolling. Now the underlying reasons for that might be a racial bias, but you'll hear Israel's internet soldiers say "but what about Africa, doesn't the Western left care about them" and okay sure but it's not like they give a crap about Africans either.

It might also be a bit different in France. Large parts of Africa speak French. The coups in the Sahel, which were also anti-French, got a lot more attention in France, but in the U.S. it's just another group of military officers.

>>2582518
>It's easier to mobilise around Palestine because we've had a lot of practice, due to having the last 80 years to organise around doing it.
>>2583101
>Its because organization relating to Palestine has been working for decades, where as Sudan/Myanmar is an issue that only exploded in the past few years.
Yeah, I think this is a big one. There's a whole organization around it that's been around for many years. It has been shaped by the influence of Palestinian diaspora intellectuals going back decades.

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Its because Jesus comes from Palestine and westerners, even "atheist" ones are still brainwashed by christpoopiany

Conservatives never gave a shit about drug trafficking it’s all just an excuse to stop brown people from moving next door.

>>2579848
colour me surprise

>>2579848
Batista 2.0

>>2579848
I have not been paying attention to this shit at all.
What the fuck do you mean they voted for the narco party.

>>2583145
Basically the party is known for being the standard "christian traditionalist" neoliberal bullshit party that has leader who litterally were envolved in massive drug trafficking operations and are crittically with the narcos. They were massively involved in a coup that toppled down the centre-left goverment by the party mentioned in the thread by occupying with "private militias". I have honduran friends and what they pretty much told me about is that these private militias are more powerful and big than the goverment itself and are obviously owned by the oligarchs of the country.

>>2583100
Developing a voice grows from using correct grammar to be understood. Don't ask the AI to rewrite it and then use that verbatim, ask why why you wrote is wrong, going over other examples, idioms, giving etymological reasons and explanations for both. This kind of thing shouldn't have to be explicitly said.

>>2582868
Thanks I appreciate your effort to explain this approach

>>2583107
I have witnessed my NESB partner put her idiosyncratic but logical and understandable prose into chatgpt and having it return it completely normified with her original sentiments slightly warped. I'd rather read people's own idiosyncratic voice than normified AI rendering of their thoughts.

>>2583033
Kant, capital, and the prohibition of incest is an unironically good essay and the rest of Fanged Noumena has some useful stuff but overall complete nonsense, but its still a fun and enjoyable read belive it or not.

>>2582299
if marx is hegel upside down deleuze is just marx inside out. he doesn't actually overcome dialectics he just replaces negativity with generative novelty. its essentially the same frame work from the perspective of difference instead of the absolute. if you read difference and repetition he basically just explains hegel and then does a zizek and goes ah yes but what if the opposite! for me the middle of d&r was essential to understanding marx+hegel and even lenin+mao but thats mostly because of all the shit "summaries" that exist of dialectics

its interesting that this whole chain is just misreadings of misinterpretations and both marx and deleuze imo are actually just reasserting a hegel that doesn't privilege one or the other and reframes the dialectic as both/and from translators and professors that neutered his original text, "hegel is an idealist" isn't really true because for him the ideal(not idea) is the material world, but hes still pretty bourgeois so marx's addition is still important

I like Jeremy Corbyn

>>2583121
Seems like this is made by a man called simon glass, former BBC employee who made documentaries for BBC 3/ iplayer about sex, dating, celebrity life.
Now it looks like he's making a mockumentary about British ML parties? Bit of a weird choice of subject given the current climate and when you could just talk to the CPGB-ML in real life.

>>2583148
Why let the cpgb-ml speak when you can speak for them?

>>2583002
There need not be any mechanism, although the fact they're already doing it and already meeting a huge chunk of the world's needs is a factor.
If you and I are equally good at building chairs, it's nevertheless more efficient for me to specialise in making the various pieces (legs, seat, back, etc) and you to specialise in assembling them, or vice versa.

>>2583016
Shipping is basically free and repairs are more of a design problem than a distance one.
In any case, we're getting side tracked from the question. For argument sake let's say a magic computer provides all the manufactured goods we could ever want: how, then, does one structure a socialist service economy?

They can just decide no one gets a trial by jury in Bongistan huh?

Maoist-Bordigist Alliance (do total economic transition right now!!!) VS the Dengist-Stalinist Alliance (10,000 years of McDonalds and Stock Markets until we press the socialism button!!!) in this thread and neither side will convince the other it seems.
What does it achieve?

>>2582904
>and it isn't a state of affairs
A state of affairs to be established. Communism in practice already manifests today as the proletarian association and struggle, as dormant as it is.

>>2582932
There's almost no difference between Mao and Deng, lol. Mao already favored the peasantry and national bourgeoisie, what Deng did is just the inevitable conclusion.

>>2582034
>I'm not an American or Chinese
How iz dat possible?!?!

>>2582904
The real movement

>>2580082
Most of these planes are decades old Soviet and Chinese aircraft. This is definitely the weakest branch of their military (not counting the anti-air forces, which are quite powerful).

So I learned today that apparently, in the DPRK, abortion is both illegal but also state enforced:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_North_Korea

You would think a state would just change its laws so that it could official what it wants but no, that'snot for the backward irrational oriental DPRK.

>>2581005

Looks like I caught it in its tracks.

>>2581014
The AI admits defeats. Its over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_North_Korea

Looks like some of the recent death rate calculations are wrong as well; They don't match the deaths/population ratio at all.

>>2582959
$25 from blackwater has been deposited into your account

>>2582905
How is that relevant in any shape or form, when one has to look at the kind of relationship that dominates the entire economy
>>2582903
Report racist MAGAtards to ICE

>>2582962
do you really think blackwater is against janet mills? why would they be?

>>2582906
>That doesn't mean it's socialist
so no privatized companies? neoliberalism hasn't put a foothold on its state? good.
Socialism is enshrined in Vietnam's constitution, thus they are looking forward for it.

>>2582965
>blackwater has two approved candidates running for senate in maine
lucky them!

Привет, пиздюки

It seems that there really is no escape from Dickblast. I ain't even mad.

>>2573816
АНАЛитическая пидоросня

Берем?

So nothing really happened regarding the stuff from my previous posts. The hunger strikers have up after two weeks and there was no big Cacilend conformation.
The student movement is still alive but probably the most dead it's been the past year. There is only one faculty which restarted its blockade, the others are operating normally in the new year except that the start of the year was late.
The NIS situation is still unresolved, I am not sure what the SNS government is planning, maybe they're just waiting for Russians to agree to a deal where NIS is sold to a third country. They floated the idea of nationalizing NIS but they have not done that yet. The oil refinery in Pancevo is stopping production because of a lack of oil, which means they're already losing money. If there is no solution in the coming months then the government will have to spend a lot of money on importing finished oil products and subsidizing the cost, or they can not subsidize it and cause an oil crisis in Serbia.

>>2578044

Also don't forget to mention the students had a split with the zbor's due to the more liberal opposition infiltrating them according to them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DRnTjuzACP5/?img_index=1

I feel like you guys need to stop labelling everything as a color revolution

Even if its liberals its still class conflict in nature, and mass disconnect being organized on general strike scales is impressive

>>2579295
The zbors are very dead compared to their peak in early july during the dumpster barricade stuff.

>>2579297
There were 2 calls to general strike but there was no labor organizing behind them so they failed.

Two days ago there were some local elections for some rural areas (only a few tens of thousands of voters total) and SNS won but with much less votes compared to both the last local elections and the last parliamentary elections. Like usual, there were various kinds of election fraud spotted and there was even some fighting in Mionica in a tavern close to one of the poll stations (https://x.com/agrifblokira/status/1995150996067307853).

>>2581761
Forgot to mention the most important thing about those local elections. If SNS's loss of votes is proportional to the rest of Serbia then they'd lose parliamentary elections if they were held now.

>>2578826
>here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
If you ever get around, for the first time in your life, to read a whole paragraph of Marx, let it be the one that you just quoted from here. Note that the deviations in the following do not refer to temporary supply-demand fluctuations, but how parts systematically diverge from the total average:
<Taken together, the commodities are sold at 2 + 7 + 17 = 26 above, and 8 + 18 = 26 below their value, so that the deviations of price from value balance out one another through the uniform distribution of surplus-value, or through addition of the average profit of 22 per 100 units of advanced capital to the respective cost-prices of the commodities I to V. One portion of the commodities is sold above its value in the same proportion in which the other is sold below it. And it is only the sale of the commodities at such prices that enables the rate of profit for capitals I to V to be uniformly 22%, regardless of their different organic composition. The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production. They have as their prerequisite the existence of a general rate of profit, and this, again, presupposes that the rates of profit in every individual sphere of production taken by itself have previously been reduced to just as many average rates. These particular rates of profit = s/C in every sphere of production, and must, as occurs in Part I of this book, be deduced out of Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2581998
marx wants to overcome the concept of value by overcoming the abstraction of labour in exchange (e.g. via central planning). thats why he doesnt consider labour certificates "money", and so we can call them coupons. of course, you would call it slavery to be paid a salary in coupons, but in communism, this is "freedom", apparently. marx also states directly that labour must be exploited by the state in the form of surplus labour and taxation to expand production. thus, i call marx's communism "state capitalism".
>>2582003
price = exchange-value = SNLT
an easy marxist formula. lets read this:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
i.e. total price = total value
this is why as marx says, whatever is sold above value must be balanced by what is sold below. when considered totally of capital composition therefore, the rate of surplus value is able to be determined so as to measure the value of commodities:
<C = c + v + s
as regards your elevator analogy, its still true that the average is affected by varying quantities, so the rate of profit still equalises at the division of its total sum. but i will ask you - if 5 people are weighed, and the total is 500 kilograms, what is the average weight of the persons? what is true is that a larger sample size creates better results, but averages exist nonetheless.

so, by reading marx's words directly (i.e. total price = total value), have you accepted that the ratio of values in exchange are measured by SNLT in prices, and that this is how marx intended himself to be interpreted? if not, may you explain why? thanks. 🙂

>>2548723
Workers power within capitalism has very little to do with communism in that case. If this is true, why do MLs insist on political capture before the development of new economic relations?

>>2582249
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>>2582249
>whatever is sold above value must be balanced by what is sold below.

You said things are sold at value here:
>>2570972
>value is abstract labour
>exchange-value is the quantity of abstract labour
Just to make sure that you really intended to say that, you got asked by post >>2571815 this:
>You say here the ratios of abstract labor going into commodities is equal to their exchange ratios
And you replied:
>>2571906
>theyre the same thing
And later on, you said:
>>2582249
>price = exchange-value = SNLT
Yep, this is literally the same post where you then go on to say things exchange above their value and below it. By the value definition you gave (and have given again and again), this is impossible. Do you want to change your definition?