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A general to compile all news, articles, essays and info related to the Greater Middle East-North Africa region.

Creating this general in an effort to centralize all the info that currently gets posted to 5 different threads concerning conflicts and developments in the MENA region. Seeing how slow they generally are and at risk of getting bumped off besides the Palestine thread and that it’s likely people interested in Yemen, Syria, Iran, Sudan and Palestine are likely also interested in news and info from across the region I think it would be useful to post everything in one place.

This will be the inaugural edition to see how it goes. Welcome!
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>⭕️ NEW | Iran: We will not compromise on our defensive capabilities / The ball is in America’s court

>In an interview with the BBC’s Lyse Doucet, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Political Affairs, Majid Takht-Ravanchi, said the next round of indirect Iran–U.S. talks is likely to take place Tuesday in Geneva, though it has not yet been formally finalized. An official announcement, he said, could come “today or tomorrow.”


>On substance, Takht-Ravanchi said: “The ball is in America’s court. They must prove that they want to reach an agreement with us. If we see sincerity from their side, I am confident we will be on the path toward an agreement.”


>He reiterated that the only issue on the agenda is the nuclear file. Iran, he said, is prepared to engage “seriously and in good faith” to resolve it through peaceful means, but warned that negotiations will fail if Washington attempts to introduce unrelated issues such as missiles or regional policy.


>He described past U.S. and Israeli actions, including military pressure and recent Trump comments on regime change, as “contradictory signals” that undermine trust. Iran prefers diplomacy, he said, but will retaliate if attacked and “use all available means” to defend its sovereignty.


>He signaled conditional flexibility: Iran is prepared to discuss reciprocal steps, including diluting highly enriched uranium, in exchange for sanctions relief. But he made clear that “zero enrichment is not on the table,” calling enrichment an “inseparable” part of Iran’s nuclear program for which the country has paid a heavy costs.


>He was unequivocal on missiles: “We do not compromise on our defensive capabilities.” Ballistic missiles, he said, are a red line and non-negotiable.


>Takht-Ravanchi rejected artificial deadlines for a deal, said indirect talks can work if political will exists, and stressed that any agreement must be based on mutual concessions, not unilateral demands.

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>When Israel announced sweeping changes to the occupied West Bank, measures widely seen as accelerating annexation, Jordan was among the first to condemn the move.

>For decades, Amman has feared the mass displacement of Palestinians from the West Bank. But analysts say its concern is no longer limited to “creeping annexation” or gradual land seizures.


>Instead, the latest measures - which Jordan has described as null and void - are seen as the start of a “total annexation” phase, threatening not just the geography of the West Bank but the very core of Jordan’s national security.


>“This measure represents a leap across strategic stages,” Omar al-Ayasrah, a member of Jordan’s Senate, the upper house appointed by the king, told Middle East Eye.


>“They aim to completely remove Jordan’s influence on the Palestinian cause and the legal protections for Arab landowners, opening the door to ‘legalise’ their transfer to the occupation,” he added.


>The Israeli changes, announced last week, include a wide range of measures - one of which is particularly sensitive for Jordan.


https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxelgggJhgznrcWf9a3rY6AnoCDSs2kAq_

this reminds me of the old right wing zionist plans for Jordan as the Palestinian state.

>>2692889
>>2692896
I think Israel is intent on sabotaging the negotiations with Iran. It's ridiculous that Iran has to commit itself to enrichment levels below that of any other nation following the NPT, which the USA and Israel are not! But leaving that aside, I think the consequence of the talks falling apart will be either:
1) if the Israel/USA are confident that the Iranian state is sufficiently eroded that they can pull a relatively quick and easy invasion and subjugation of the country, then they will do that or
2) they impose even harsher sanctions on Iran in hopes of making 1) possible in the future.

If this is clear to outside observers, than surely people inside Iran understand it too.

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this is a good but disappointing meme from the mid 2010s because Israel isn't mentioned in the "wtf we need to stop this" category even once

>>2692926
at least we can look forward to greater israel killing the jordanian royal family



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>Posing desire as a universal abstraction which is mediated through its body

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

He's so thoroughly misunderstood Deleuze and Guattari and I don't even need to have read Anti-Oedipus to fucking know that

KILL ME KILL ME KILL ME KILL ME KILL ME

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Rare ICE W

moot statement moot statement

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>>2692537
all nazis are turbo degenerates



 

Dolphins are smarter than Stalinists, I will prove this by teaching dolphins Das Kapital, and then even a dolphin would know that if you have community production you have a capitalist mode of production, and it is not a transitionary stage to be reformed.

Dolphins will be shocked to learn all "Marxist-Leninist" states had markets, commodity production and kept the value form.

I suggest we uplift the dolphins and give them hands. Then teach them the concept of using nukes and dropping the bombs. That way the ayy lmaos can see we are advanced enough to uplift another spieces and bring us into the galactic federation.

Trotsky thought that the USSR was in a transitionary stage thoughever



 

Capitalism has changed a lot since Marx lived. Some people say it has not changed much. But it has. We are now in what many call the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Technology moves very fast even if the mode of production itself is still in place. Goods are changing too. Machines and software now do much of the work. Companies do not always sell software as something you buy once and own forever. Instead, they rent it to you. You pay every month. You do not truly own it. It's not like the food you eat. This does not prove Marx was wrong. It can actually support his method, if we see his ideas as a study of real social systems that change over time. The commodity, or good for sale, has not disappeared. It has changed shape. It has become more abstract and varied in its specific forms. When some commodities become a subscription, buying and selling does not end. The purchaser's true ownership ends. Companies learned that in the digital age, control brings more profit than simple ownership. The commodity is no longer just a thing. It is a controlled stream of access. Profit comes again and again over time. This is not a world beyond capitalism. It is capitalism finding new ways to control time and space. Automation also does not destroy capitalism’s basic rules. But it creates problems for them. If human labor creates value, and machines replace workers, then the system weakens its own base. Yet capitalism does not simply fall apart. It adapts. It grows through finance. It strengthens copyright and patents. It creates artificial scarcity, even when goods could be copied easily. It turns genocide into a spectacle for people to watch and get anxious about happening to them. Social media turns daily life into data that can be sold. The factory has not vanished. It has spread into warehouses, data centers, and computer systems that track workers. Wage labor still exists. It is just more divided, watched, and pushed across the globe to find the cheapest workers. This shows a new tension. Technology can now produce goods in great amounts, often at very low cost. But the system of private ownership and profit limits access. Subscription models, digital locks, and cloud systems are legal tools that keep control in private hands. Capitalism is not stuck. It is active and flexible. But it still faces crises. It survives by reorganizing power in more complex ways. It makes production global and social, yet keeps profit private. It also harms the planet. This deepens the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2693213
i didn't bother to read your post but both your pictures are retarded
the falling rate of profit comes from an increase in constant capital (machinery) relative to variable capital (labour power)

>>2693337
>the falling rate of profit comes from an increase in constant capital (machinery) relative to variable capital (labour power)

that is what is being depicted



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>yeah the revolution will take place in an industrial country like Germany or Britain or however the berches is braided
>ends up happening in agrarian shitholes instead
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What's stopping us from just all deciding on a time and date for the revolution?
Then we just spam that we're doing it for a couple months all over social media, get streamers or whoever else to mention it, it gives people time to organise… and then when the day comes, we actually do it and begin *the* class war?
Thing is nobody else would take it seriously would they? Nobody would join me. Most of these leftists don't actually want to start something.


>>2687283
yeah the more risky the behavior, the greater the reward, but the greater the likelihood of injury, imprisonment, or death. So always bet on people doing low-mid risk behavior more often than high risk behavior… unless it's really addictive and provides an immediate reward, like drug use…

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Akshually what you’re probably referring to as “revolutions” were just bourgeois nationalist struggles. Revolutions happened in industrialized countries (Germany, Hungary) but were defeated due to Bolschevik mandated opportunism (I piss on an image of Radek every morning)

>>2689380
> Revolutions happened in industrialized countries (Germany, Hungary) but were defeated due to Bolschevik mandated opportunism (I piss on an image of Radek every morning)
elaborate



 

Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.

The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.
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>>2693282
this is just "might makes right" logic.
what if when things get worse its not due to a higher internal reason sorting itself out?

This idea that material conditions determine everything has been debunked many times already. It’s too harmful to the communist movement too. The implication is we must endure all injustice because it’s not the time yet.

>>2693289
This is where the Marxian insight, that new technologies, more specifically means of production, give rise to these changes and vice-versa, comes in. Capitalism has driven many areas to their breaking point in terms of productivity, yet the areas where it doesn't are precisely being obstructed by commodity production. A mode of production doing away with all of the inefficient market logic, rent-seeking and ruthless competition would be superior; the hope is, that it won't also require the same hyperexploitation of the people and the environment as capitalism does.

>>2693306
you are confusing materialism with determinism

>>2692886
>"historically progressive" is not a synonym for "things getting better" in marxism like "progressive" is for american liberals
yeah "historically progressive" actually should be synonym for "things get worse" since only fascism grows out of capitalism



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What is the materialist reason that Christianity supplanted Paganism as the prefered religion. Surely it's not as simple as some Emperor having a 'schizo' vision during a battle
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>>2693239
>The virulent aspect being the promise of paradise after death
as opposed to valhalla or elysian fields?

>>2693239
christianity's unique elements (what made it "virulent" in your memetic understanding) was not eternal salvation, but the benefits coming from church membership that weren't provided for in "pagan" religions, if you prayed to a god like vulcan, you offered, yet received very little in return, whereas if you joined a christian church, you were offered items, this was the same dynamic with islam too

>>2693242
The idea of the Elysian Fields being a paradise for the righteous is a fairly late one, most of the time it was exclusive to heroes and demigods. Valhalla was also exclusive to the warrior caste.
Christianity pioneered the idea of an universal, transcedental and euphoric paradise. For most pagans the afterlife was just a continuation of mundane life.

>>2693242
valhalla is more like, if earth was a big pvp tournament, valhalla is the lobby for the top players who are waiting for the final boss fight.
it's a position of honor but not paradise

>>2693241
But I'm neither stone age nor European. But if I were, my "collective imagination and understanding" wouldn't make material reality "irrelevant"



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Well my country is fucking me over. Trump and his administration seem to be on a mission to genocide neets. So there's that..Very easy to attack neets and their gibs to give sad pleasures to wagecucks. Anyone else living such a situation? Feels like the world is more and more pressuring you to rope yourself… oh well…
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I am legitimately traumatized by job search experience, every time I tried to find the job it is an unbearable humiliation ritual that ends with finding something deeply under my intelligence and skill level. The worst was after getting masters degree and eventually being forced to delete higher education from my CV because I failed to get job relevant to my field and non-relevant wouldnt hire me because they knew I am not going to stick around.

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>>2648855
uygha ancient societies were doing spreadsheets thousands of years ago too

>>2692570
writing was arguably invented for doing spreadsheets first and literature came later.

I did for a bit, I drank all the time and kept ruminating about where my life went wrong and panicking about the future. It was actually via NEETing for about a year and a half in total, I lost my teenaged interests in gayming, watching the animus and shitposting on 4chan, I don’t really understand people who do the NEET thing and feel contented with being perpetually 15 years old. And not in a kind of young and fancy free kind of way, in the not being able to afford anything and (correctly) treated as though you’re not capable of being responsible for anything, including yourself.
>inb4 “oh but *I* use all my time to read the classics and walking in nature to become more cultured than the rat racers who work their lives away just for cheap and unwholesome thrills every Friday night”
One hopes it’s merely a fanciful cope when NEETs claim this.

>>2693251
If you have enough money to live in relative comfort and little desire for women/social life, then yeah, why would you subject yourself to misery of job market? Or if successful career and rich social life was never an option, then yeah, might as well spend days playing video games, better than slaving away in amazon warehouse.



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<neoliberalism
any and all materialists must acknowledge that we exist in the neoliberal epoch, one unlike any other capitalist epoch. the biggest difference is that it has been intentionally manufactured to destroy class politics in everyway and it succeeded. via attacks on home ownership, community belonging, social atomisation, post fordism & gig economy, well fare it destroyed the ability for the left and even right to coherently organise and left them to embrace pseudo simulcra politics of liberalism (woke) vs conservatvism (nothing lol). in the third world where traditional manufacturing is still persued, an all ecompassing and brutal surveillance state made successful revolutionary politics impossible.

<death-agony, current and coming

but neoliberalism has entered its death agony stage. its contradictions (need to global elite agreement, invisible imports hard carrying western economies, ect) have caught up and the ideological, moralistic and pragmatic defences for the liberal international order and neoliberalism have already gone Dodo, all we wait for is the first piston in the globalist economy to collapse and this will cause a critical meltdown across the globe and with it the end of everything, the cathedral, human rights, capitalist realism, the spectacle and more. its impossible to tell when this will occur. i predicted it would be the coming right populist surge and then the mass dissillusionment which would follow, but the epstein files might cause it even sooner.

<Return of Vitality and Horror

with neoliberalism's death, we will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics. we will likely see a years of lead across the whole of eurasia, south americas and africa but not US or PRC. there will be far more riots, counter culture & demagogues arising from the formly 1dimenional workers. the 60s and interwar periods will be nothing the bumbling marches to the bloodshed to come and we shall see the earth be hurtled to utopia and despair one day after the next. total global meltdown. is your ideology prepared for the sudden influx of work? can you make one that can?
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>>2687082
>with neoliberalism's death, we will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics.

Oddly conservative prediction. You'd think there'd be something new and strange. May as well predict the return of monarchy like the tech-fedualist crowd.

>next stage
You're thinking with a stagest mindset and that's fundamentally flawed. History does not progress in stages.

>neoliberalism is unlike any other capitalist epoch

No. Its very much like the liberalism of the 19th century. Hence the 'neo' part. Sure, some things are different, but the bedrock of neoliberalism is a revival of classical liberal ideas from well over a century ago.

>critical meltdown across the globe and with it the end of everything

Neoliberalism is not in its death stage. Neoliberalism is a lot more fluid and flexible system for Marxist theory to adequately understand it. People have made claims about global collapse before, but that hasn't happened. They underestimated how flexible it is.

>will see the Far right and left regain strength and energy, a true return to class politics. we will likely see a years of lead across the whole of eurasia, south americas and africa but not US or PRC. there will be far more riots, counter culture & demagogues arising from the formly 1dimenional workers

With the internet and social media what we in fact see is a standardization of politics at the global level. Once there were competing political ideologies (communism, neoliberalism, Islamism) today they've all been streamlined into one current. Left and right are now just political identities, tribes or franchises that barely disagree in any meaningful way. People don't form politics on the basis of class identity, but cultural identity and idpol. Class struggle is redundant. The left is extremely reactionary and obsessed with restoring pre-neolib social democracy and the right are equally reactionary. Standardization of culture means that there is no real counterculture anymore. People play acting at it but nothing beyond that. I'd say that the explosion of jihadism in the 2000s was the last real counterculture to exist. People riot but they don't have any alternate vision. They riot to protect the system and just like jihadis, the existence of rioters entrenches the system by justifying further security and mass surveillance.

>>2687082
The next phase of capitalism is so called "phase D" as described by engels in anti duhring. I suggest you read that.

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sorry for late replies got busy then very sick
>>2687906
thats entirely possible, i just said that they would return but its also true that other real third way shit will also arise
>>2688418
>stagism
yes, history isnt in stages but it is true that across recent and broader history there is such structural changes that there is a difference between what came before and after. neoliberalism is clearly different from the economically liberal wellfair capitalism which came prior, or say the difference between feudalism and early mechantilism and early capitalism.
>repeat of liberalism
regardless of the underlined reasons and justifications for neoliberalism, it is clearly different in its effects and results upon the whole earth. i think its a partially silly comparison honestly
>its stronger than you think
yeah, that why i say when its dies its going to cause shockwaves on the level that ww1 brought. it is indisputably dying.
<the liberal conscenious/international order(LC/LIO) that even wormed its way into parts of far right and left is entirely discredited
<the international instituions that were propped up by it have proven themselves both entirely controlled by the global bourgeois and also useless
<everyone recongises the uglyness and lack of soul of modern society is has brought about
<hating rich people is now so common that it doesnt even worth mentioning
<the global bourgeois cooperation that kept neoliberalism/LIO alive is now floundering as the goals of the various national bourgeois, militaries and politicians are too contradictory to work together for much let alone a global socioeconomic system
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>>2693267
Here
>D). Partial recognition of the social character of the productive forces forced upon the capitalists themselves. Taking over of the great institutions for production and communication, first by joint-stock companies, later on by trusts, then by the state. The bourgeoisie demonstrated to be a superfluous class. All of its social functions are now performed by salaried employees.



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What do you think of communo-monarchism?
Can the holy proleterian spirit be passed down trough your seed? And as such only the inheritors of this great proleterian spirit are fit to rule?
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>>2693240
Why is a communist country benefiting from and obtaining the spoils of imperialist exploitation?

>>2689548
Meanwhile bourgeois corporations on /pol/ are fighting for the removal of the justice and legal protections of workers and protestors, but also on their own platforms.

Their division attempts to distract protestors and to bring the justice system down on protestors have succeeded in western countries.

They do indeed intend to keep immigrants working very hard but for a lower wage.

>>2693249
complaining about nato partnership countries having military bases in their own countries is zigger-tier retardation, let's not denigrate ourselves to that level

>>2693243
Trade does imply mutual interests at the very least. It binds countries together by common benefit, and depending on its nature, it can create long-term economic dependence due to a given country orienting its economic base towards continuing that trade in a stable way. (As evidenced by China creating a shit ton of industry to produce what the consumer economies demand) To me it doesn't seem very materialist to dismiss the actually existing economic relationship between China and the US in favor of what the states say about each other. Acknowledging this isn't pro or anti China.

Kim Jong Un is an example of why Grace is correct somewhat. As long as the monarch isn't an asshole about it and they focus on building the productive forces to achieve socialism, it's fair game.

Reason monarchs are usually bad is they tend to be reactionary, wanting a feudalist mode of production. Other than that it don't matter as long as they interact with and respond to feedback from their community regularly, which Kim seems to be doing. >>2689637



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