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I think that Mao the best communist leader of all time because of for the love of his country I bring the rule area in modern area together cultural revolution was based as fuck
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>>2576534
>After that its just downhill for him from great leap forward to cultural revolution.
why

He was the best national socialist you could say…

>>2576666
Because they were failures? I don't see how anyone could look at the almost civil-war conditions of the cultural revolution and consider that to be successful. Dengs reforms were radical but ironically necessary. There were some really dogmatic irrational people in the party.

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Nah, Mao made some fatal errors such as the Great Leap Forward and the cultural revolution. Although I don’t blame him for these much as I do for similar actions committed by people like Stalin for example because Mao seemed to have meant well and we wouldn’t know that certain philosophies of his didn’t work if he hadn’t tried them. If you ask me the best communist head of state was Fidel Castro.

Mao was like Che in that he was a brilliant theorist and practitioner of revolutionary struggle but had no business engaging in actual socialist construction or running a country. He belonged in the hills commanding guerrillas not sitting in an office making policy. The main difference between him and Che is that Che recognized his shortcomings and went back to fighting whereas Mao insisted on being a terrible statesman.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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The so-called TRULY FREE MARKET

Continuing with my abstract non-proposal from the last thread. I was thinking about a meta-procedure that combines an auction with something else.

Quoting this critique from myself:
>The fixed prices were introduced to deal with worries about raising prices. But to deal with that, it is enough to have a price ceiling.
What are the worries about raising prices really about though? If somebody snatches a thing right before your eyes, what good does it do to know you could have paid the price? It's better to have a guarantee that you can obtain a thing. So I have come to the conclusion that the part of the proposal that isn't an auction should not be something with a fixed price, nor something with a price ceiling, but simply something without any price. And since I got no idea how to combine the parts in an elegant fashion for now, we just do first the part without any prices and then the auction stuff.

Assume a given pile of classified and quantified resources, ready to be used up in the next period. After the central authority has set the Resource Access Power (RAP) of each pseudo-firm, the pseudo-firms should not yet have to participate in the resource auctions. Instead, the central authority sets aside a part of the pile for the pseudo-firms making requests in kind. The hydraulic diagram from a 2D world describes a situation of just three pseudo-firms. On the left, the blue liquid representing the resource sits in a tank that is closed at the bottom. If we let the resource flow, it will go through the pipe into the three vessels on the right and will reach equal level (and the air will escape from the vessels through the pipes they got on top). These three vessels represent the three pseudo-firms. The width of a pseudo-firm's vessel is proportional to its RAP, so these three are equal in that. The size of a pseudo-firm's request is represented by its vessel's volume (and since the diagram is in a 2D world, area = volume). A pseudo-firm exaggerating its request will make its vessel taller, but not wider.

(Maybe it would have been better to show two pseudo-firms in the diagram, one at half the RAP of the other, but I'm too lazy to edit it. Anyway, you should be able to picture what that would look like.)

Only after this procedure is through do we start with the auction stuff.

Get the fuck in here.

>>2573879
of all porky, musk seems one of the rare breed that are a little bit class conscious as he doesn't expect billions of homeless proles to just disappear when the automation layoffs fully hit

>>2576720
class conscious porkies are the most dangerous



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>>2576631
the west would just "coincidentally" import a ton more from Africa if that happened

>>2576646
what can the west even offer? debt? Africa too has everything it needs for self sufficiency. once china breaks the chains and the continent industrializes its fucking over

>>2576652
True true, basically what's currently happening in Africa are the first stages of rapid industrialization, as Africa now demands that ressource extracting firms transfer the first steps of the refining process to the African continent itself. The next escalation will be the capitalists failing to resist that delicious and gigantic, young African labor pool, so they will outsource all manufacturing steps to Africa, and by then it will be too late. They will scream how Africans firms copy them and only produce junk, just how they complained about China, and South Korea and Japan before them and at the beginning it was Britain complaining about Germany. But by then you will know for certain that Africa has industrialized.


>>2576652
>what can the west even offer?
Since late 80's western industries have had time to adjust into outsourcing industries into China. Special high-tech manufacturing was kept home while anything mass produced was outsourced into cheap labor 3rd world countries. Engineers built cars in germany and airplanes in USA while rest of the workforce was employed on the service sector. Now this is changing as China has become a dominat force in electric vehicles and other high tech products. West is losing even its high tech product to better and cheaper Chinese ones.



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2576428
>Willst du dich weiter dummstellen?
well it certainly seems like it fuck germans honestly i just hope they get fucked by the international court for aiding a genocide but the reality is those courts are all but a tool for the global hegemons, when i went to school here i was wondering how germans at the time of the holocaust could just turn the blind eye towards the horrors their people did now i know, i was wondering how just a few years later the majority would pretend that they dont remember anything, now its happening in real time and half of them say there is no genocide and unlike in the 1940s that is is being livestreamed now… there are more (biological) germans showing up a fucking "stadtbilddemo" than at an anti genocide demonstration which are 90% visited by migrants showing these fucks care more about semantics and words than about children being massacred
>>2576445
do you really not know what is meant or do you just dont want to face the situation for what it is? you are a german citizten eligible for voting and do not answer this question was rhetorical
i am writing in english so our international friends can see how evil the germans are and how little they care about human life that they are more willing to focus on wordplays than on human lifes why are these times so cruel may the hardships on these children end soon

>>2576469
What‘s your background? You sound like you lived for a period in Germany and then moved.

>i just hope they get fucked by the international court

That‘s only going to happen once the entire West goes, which hinges on US collapse. Wouldn‘t be surprised if that happens in the next few decades, but we‘ll have to see if people care to revisit this topic by then.

>>2576445
ich weiß nicht wann in diesem drecksloch das letzte mal so etwas wie klassenanalyse stattgefunden hat und das gilt für diesen faden wie für das ganze brett
ich schiebe es mal auf die allseitige mobilmachung für den dritten weltkrieg

>>2576469
Sorry buddy, but the whole western world dgaf and has never given a fuck since columbus kidnapped carribean children in the 16th century

>>2576588
in that case it should be the duty of any self respecting 3rdie or leftie to accelerate the fall of the west maybe the yids were right about pushing mass migration to europe and religious fundemantalism to the muzzies they displace since either way you are heartless fucks (they arent any better though)



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Are there any books defending the (for lack of a better word) "authoritarianism" of the USSR/DPRK and China?

A lot of the defenses of these countries I've seen from Marxists is to try and say they're not as authoritarian as we think or try and show how capitalist countries are equally or more authoritarian. But as someone who sees no problem with it is there any actual defense of the Communist Party having a strong influence?
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Pseudos be linking an image of library they found online without being able to articulate a single sentence in it

Losurdo comes to mind. Stalin a black legend has a lot of moments like that.

>>2576215
>Blackshirts and Reds is a pretty good one,
It was a dissapointment to me but im not trying to defend authoritarian socialism.

>>2576548
>authoritarian socialism
Buzzword

>>2576621
OP already prefaces "for a lack of a better word" you twitter brained troglodyte.



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Why do people use the industrialization and subsequent rise of the standard of living in Russia and China as proof of the success of socialism when neither countries were and are socialist. Socialism being defined as worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned. The success for these two countries is a testament to there size, abundance of resources and people. Germany was afraid of pre-revoultionary Russia and predicted by 1917 they would be no match for its growing might. China before the Second Sino-Japanese war was a lot more industrialized than people usually give it credit for, with most of its industrial base being destroyed by the war. And too give examples of two capitalist countries that being the United States and Germany. Both of them were able to surpass the United Kingdom due there larger access to resources and people. And not to mention the increased development of technology allowing industrializeing nations to catch up faster to their established piers. What allowed these countries to industrialize in the first place is a stable government and there ability to fight off foreign threats, which was not the case for Imperial Russia, Qing China and the ROC.
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>>2576609
>Muh inefficiency because no le property rights
Why are you reading that garbage?

>socialism is when industry

>>2576615
I wanted to read what neoliberals were saying early into Russia's privatization. A lot of pure ideological garbage. Neoliberalism is pure brain rot.

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>>2576332
Saudi Arabia does human trafficking and uses slave labor in their mega projects, plus uses women as sex slaves to do scat porn.
Imperial Japan killed 30 million people in WW2 and did human experimentation.

>>2576288
>as opposed to state ownership
literally described as first stage "transition" socialism by marxist thinkers if your state is a worker state/dotp
go read some more



 

Apparently folks are still confused about the purpose of sex education. not on here necessarily but like in general

The first and most important component of sex ed is teaching children
a) How to recognize if an adult is sexually abusing you, and
b) What to do if an adult is sexually abusing you.

Comprehensive sex ed includes other topics, including discussion of what changes your body will go through in puberty and how to have safe sex, but those can and usually do come later.

Sex education needs to start as early as possible, because if kids don't start sex ed until age X, then pedophiles know they can more easily get away with abusing kids who are younger than X.

The people most likely to sexually abuse kids are their parents, which is why we need schools, not parents, to provide sex education.  

You likely can't teach a lesson about sexual abuse to a 1-day-old baby, but you absolutely can teach a 5-year-old.  

When you hear policymakers say "kindergarten is too young to get sex education," what they are really saying is that they want to rape kindergartners and not get caught.
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>>2576238
<t. creep

>>2576173
YES YOU FUCKING RETARD BECAUSE ACADEMICS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT IN MAINLAND CHINA AND SOMEONE PUSHING A PAPER ADVOCATING FOR HONG KONG INDEPENDENCE WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE ARRESTED AS A TRAITOR. WHY ARE YOU WESTERNERS SO FUCKING RETARDED KILL YOURSELF.

>>2576204
NO IT IS NOT. CHINESE STATE MEDIA HEAVILY ATTACKED AND CRITICIZED THE HONG KONG PROTESTORS. God you fucking westoids will lie and say anything and everything to avoid admitting fault.

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>>2576540
>CONTROLLED
Oversight isn't hypnosis you westoid hippie
>CHINESE STATE MEDIA […] AND CRITICIZED THE HONG KONG PROTESTORS.
Okay? There's a lot to criticize about them.
>HEAVILY ATTACKED
Team Fortress 2 Random Crit SFX
>SOMEONE PUSHING A PAPER ADVOCATING FOR HONG KONG INDEPENDENCE WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE ARRESTED AS A TRAITOR.
Shit that never happened #9573684. I bet you believe that story of the boxer forced to wear a clown costume because they didn't conceed Tai-Chi was the new martial arts meta.

Cope, glowie. China does shit because it's actually well informed and internally debates things thouroughly.

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>>2576260
>>2576261
The sexual activity in question is between kids close in age, not CSA by adults.

There's a very small minority of children who for some reason(s) start engaging in sexual behaviour with each other earlier than average. Doesn't matter if you think it's good or bad; it's a thing that happens which means it'd inevitably be described by researchers. Do you want us to pretend that it doesn't exist or something?



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Climate Change is the biggest threat to humanity and nobody is doing anything about it, 10 years ago we would hear about it in the news and people would protest but people don’t even do that anymore. The only solution to stop the world from being destroyed in 10 years is to nationalize the extraction industry so we only burn as much fossil fuels as we need until we can fully convert to renewable energy but nobody will do that because that’s communism. Conservatives like to deny that climate change exists and censor journalists and scientists who speak the truth while liberals like to say “It’s Trump’s fault!” Even though they are just as responsible because Obama and Biden did nothing to stop this. The only hope I ever feel when reading the news about climate change is hearing about China’s clean energy infrastructure, it’s so good that I have to end this on it so I don’t have a mental breakdown.
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>>2567053
So the alignment people are worried AI is gonna slaughter us like the Terminator? That's fun. I'd be more worried that humans will become dependent on them to manage complex systems and we couldn't survive if we turned it off, like electricity. You see this in embryo with people who are addicted to LLMs. Imagine when they actually get good and run the economy. The point of socialism is for people to control the products made by their own hands, not the other way around.


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>>2567053
>AI when the power goes out due to heatwave

Dengist debate aside, China is our only hope of an energy revolution.

Statospheric Aerosol Injection. Google it.

Global warming is a solved problem already. The only reason this isn't being done is because climate change hasnt become serious enough to porkys profits. The moment climate change actually starts to dent profitability, you will see SAI deployed and global temperatures return to pre-1750 levels in a couple year.



 

How do you cope with spectacle? I know it sounds silly, but it's a genuine question.

I find myself getting drawn into the antics of e-celebs and flavor-of-the-week social media drama without even fully realizing it, and by the time I realize what happened, I've already wasted a disproportionate amount of mental bandwidth on it. I know none of it matters in the grand scheme of things, I know that none of these people hold any significant amount of real-world cultural relevance. But I have so much trouble convincing my reptilian brain of that fact.

If anyone has any suggestions, I would very much like to hear them.
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>>2576313
php boards, news groups, imageboards and by now archaic shit like that is social media in the original sense. people interacting, more or less organically, with one another based on a shared interest.

what is called social media nowadays is in fact anti social, individualist and egocentrical. participation is not born from a personal interest in a specific topic but from peer pressure and asinine incentivisation schemes in form of updoots/likes etc. pp. to maximize engagement and screen time.

>>2576402
old person is correct. It's social media, but in a different ballpark to commercial for-profit addiction machines. All we've got is the bump algorithm and (You)s.

>>2576230
Do you have much connection to IRL networks? Friends, sport you play, socialist orgs, that kind of stuff. Definitely helps to have something more important to fill those gaps than spectacle.

Want dramashit? Meet my local trot orgs, especially the ones on college campuses. Holy fuck they are a mess, including the One True Revolutionary Party getting student members to vote second preferences to the right-wing party just to their rival fellow trots couldn't get a seat, not to mention trying to stall pro-Palestine motions which passed unanimously when their stalling didn't work. Or that time they tried to change a protest route at the last minute, but forgot to tell the dozen new students they recruited on that open day, so their leadership got off the train a station early and left their targets to get poached by their rivals.
Hell, even the M-L orgs have their own weird drama, with the CP# splitting into the CP#-ML and the SP#, then CP# dying, and soon after the SP# changing their name to CP#, and the #CP being formed, before a branch split from them. vidrel

>>2576343
>If you bury yourself in books, or learning to code, or practicing an instrument then you're taking charge of your own headspace before the slop merchants can fill it for you.
This. Also getting into political theory (even breadslop), propaganda creation and coding got me out of habitual gaming. At least my hobbies are now somewhat productive while being fun and interesting.

>>2576230
I kinda want the opposite, I want to subsume myself to it.

If I can give one piece of advice, it's that while throwing yourself into learning to code, play an instrument, write a story, draw, or any other creative or skill-developing hobby (fish for all it matters!), is exceptionally worthwhile, you should categorically not get into political theory or history or similar dry academic topics. That's what I did, and I regard it as the only possible waste of time worse than using social media. At least on social media I'd have vague acquaintances and the ability to hold a facsimile of a conversation. Instead, all I have is petty resentments and an encyclopedic knowledge of dead movements, movements that were dead before they started, movements that are undead, dead economic theories, and an all-pervasive sense that everyone engaged in 'politics' outside real power is just LARPing and has nothing approaching a coherent plan for building or taking power.

It is a superficially smarter but actually much dumber way to waste your life. You are still just looking at words on a page - if you want to do that, literature is the way to go, not theory. At least it'll come in handy if you decide you want to write down the road.
This is not the good communist answer, the good communist cliche is to write paeans to theory that you don't actually read. Go on social media and do that if you must, but don't fall for the meme. You will not, in fact, read your way into actually existing socialism. You cannot get that time back, don't waste it like I did.

>>2576313
Yes but this is one of the few places for me personally that I dont want to get permabanned like I am on 4chan and reddit. Getting banned prevents me from consuming brainrot content as I get bored quickly and leave the site if I cant post.



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Pics are Bambidbar/Numbers 31:13-18. If you are a christcuck or jew, you by definition believe that the Torah or the Torah fanfic that is the bible is the infallible word of God. These books say that when you take a town, you should kill every single person in them besides the young girls which you take as sex slaves. Why do we let these lunatics in left-wing spaces? Sure, you can make a "progressive" interpretation of these books if you erase enough words, but you can do the same with Mein Kampf. There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion, which modern postmodernist "communists" seem to have forgotten.
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>>2576194
>muh nazis
>muh religion
Moralism


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>>2576194
>>2576196
> meant to apply to God's chosen people during that time period.
>>2576219
>This is old testament bruh
well G-d's chosen chuddies in israel believe that shit still and act accordingly

Liberation theology is in part born out of abrahamic faith.

Point to me where Nazism offers any alternative outside of genocide, repression, totalitarianism, corporatism, repressive gender/ sexual norms, racism and of course- capitalism.

>>2576194
>If you are a christcuck or jew
You kinda forgot one important abrahamic, no? But yeah this is bait.



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