Any comrades from Utah here?
How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?
The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).
The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.
With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.
I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
156 posts and 21 image replies omitted.>>2559870The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.
Utah is probably the most dead end dead end in the entire country. I'm a student here, and aside from the youth-adult split (which is very pronounced; and sometimes produces 20-something internet 'communists') there's pretty much no base for it.
inside the cities there are of course working class people; but the vast majority of inhabitants here are firmly petit-bourgeoisie, religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left. Just about the only people who'd take up arms are migrant workers who are reasonably terrified to stir the pot and people under threat of homelessness.
It's an incredibly tight-knit mutual panopticon of shame and obedience. I fully believe that if there was any major civil war shakeup in the US; Utah would be consolidating to revive their cultic state project (Deseret) and engaging in protracted violece against various selected outgroups.
>>2569810>religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left.We can all blame whiteness for this (never mind the fact that there are plenty of Hispanic, Pinoy, and Polynesian Mormons) but a much more concise explanation is that Mormon society in Utah is super stable to the point where contradictions are basically invisible. Might be because of the fact that the family unit is extremely tight-knit among Mormon families.
>>2559889>What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?Who cares? they wont have the capability to bother the rest of us outside of N.Amerikkka any longer.