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Starting a *new* type of party. One where nothing but the working class programme is advanced, one independent of the bourgeoisie. I call this party the "Communist Party".

Can one imagine, a group with such a clear and uncompromising position?

< Without a strong organization skilled in waging political struggle under all circumstances and at all times, there can be no question of that systematic plan of action, illuminated by firm principles, and steadfastly carried out, which alone is worthy of the name of tactics.

Nah bro first we gotta defend our nation from the imperialists

nd we have to deal with those pesky ethnic and religious minorities who are a threat to our nation. The imperialists are using them as a fifth column. You are anti communist if you disagree with this



 

Axis of cuckoldry just sold our second largest oil field to US firms lmao

Keep critically support Islamists otherwise workers here might actually overthrow their dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and third worldist westcels won't have access to superprofits anymore
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Iran killed 1000 Iraqi protesters in 2019 so the Iraqi government could continue to give oil wells to exxonmobil

I fucking love lesser evilism


>>2580352
on me mounting your mother

>>2580219
>uuuh, I'm pretty sure iraq isnt considered in the axis of resistance and never was (the whole concept is created after the invasion of iraq afaik), just the shia militias
Yeah this. They were only part of the Axis of Evil under Saddam.

>>2580489
>The Coordination Framework is the largest parliamentary force in Iraqi politics. It wields decisive influence over parliament and government, backed by Iran-aligned parties and PMF groups.

cuck status?

ZZZZ



 

Apparently folks are still confused about the purpose of sex education. not on here necessarily but like in general

The first and most important component of sex ed is teaching children
a) How to recognize if an adult is sexually abusing you, and
b) What to do if an adult is sexually abusing you.

Comprehensive sex ed includes other topics, including discussion of what changes your body will go through in puberty and how to have safe sex, but those can and usually do come later.

Sex education needs to start as early as possible, because if kids don't start sex ed until age X, then pedophiles know they can more easily get away with abusing kids who are younger than X.

The people most likely to sexually abuse kids are their parents, which is why we need schools, not parents, to provide sex education.  

You likely can't teach a lesson about sexual abuse to a 1-day-old baby, but you absolutely can teach a 5-year-old.  

When you hear policymakers say "kindergarten is too young to get sex education," what they are really saying is that they want to rape kindergartners and not get caught.
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>>2577796
>been to
Lmao, tourist.

>>2577802
You fucking idiot people in HK have already been arrested for pushing for independence and you believe the mainland will allow those same people to freely agitate for independence in Beijing or Shanghai or wherever else? Kill yourself.
>>2577806
I was literally there as the color revolution was happening can you claim the same? Moron.

>>2579748
>I was literally there as the color revolution was happening
Aww you saw some lame-ass protests during your cute lil weeb tourist trip? Fun! I'm sure Xi Jinping was personally grateful to you for shaking your fist at a bunch of liberal students on your Certified Proletarian™©® several-thousand-dollar tourist trip to China. Definitely a cut above all of us "westerners" for that.

>>2579748
Fuck your independence lol

>>2579748
>You fucking idiot people in HK have already been arrested for pushing for independence
Not seeing much proof here, just vibes.
>you believe the mainland will allow those same people to freely agitate for independence in Beijing or Shanghai or wherever else?
China has opted to not give it indepeneence because it has thuroughly debated the matter internally, and continues to do so as to ensure it is making the right decision given available knowledge.



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #3
>Third Heaven Edition

Previous Thread Archives
#1 https://archive.ph/4Dq3L
#2 https://archive.ph/sntTt

Previous thread: >>2539692

Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it.
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>>2580049
smells like propaganda bs tbh

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>>2580424
He did it again today

>>2580049
imagine believing msm polls



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>55.8% of the respondents say the Communist state itself was also good.

>66.2% of Romanians believe Communist leader Nicolae Ceaușescu was a "GOOD LEADER"


Any opinions?
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Anticommunist sentiment is heavy in Romania, it's basically considered standard fact that Nicolae was an idiot and a horrible leader. People mostly associate communism with the heavy austerity measures he enacted to get rid of that imf debt. Still it's a mixed bag, younger people are inundated with 30 years of anti communist nationalist ruling ideology, but they're not stupid either they can tell things aren't much better now either and getting worse. For older people it's a mix of that, their personal experience under the system, nostalgia and things being different and/or better back then.

I watched this movie from Romania that goes kind of into that situation. "I'm an old communist hag", would recommend if you want to get a sense of the more positive/nostalgic aspects of Romanian's view towards the communist era. Romania has a lot of good movies in general

MLibs be posting this not knowing that the average age there is 60 and people tend to miss their youth

It only proves nationalist illusions about le glorious past they had under that socdem monarchy

>>2579947
>leftcom regurgitating unironic anticommunist counterarguments
no contradiction

>>2579947
>It's just nostalgia!! These things can only be explained by my essentialist pseudo psychoanalysis of boomers
Lol and you have the gall to call others libs

>>2579947
>Old who Lived under socialism:Its nostalgia
>young who has a positive view: you dont know your history
Also Ceaușescus popularity is in the youth as well to the point the Romanian government is clamping down on it. Look at this anti-commie burger get upset about some young university students saying positive things about the socialist period. These are supposed to be the most pro-EU



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Why do people use the industrialization and subsequent rise of the standard of living in Russia and China as proof of the success of socialism when neither countries were and are socialist. Socialism being defined as worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned. The success for these two countries is a testament to there size, abundance of resources and people. Germany was afraid of pre-revoultionary Russia and predicted by 1917 they would be no match for its growing might. China before the Second Sino-Japanese war was a lot more industrialized than people usually give it credit for, with most of its industrial base being destroyed by the war. And too give examples of two capitalist countries that being the United States and Germany. Both of them were able to surpass the United Kingdom due there larger access to resources and people. And not to mention the increased development of technology allowing industrializeing nations to catch up faster to their established piers. What allowed these countries to industrialize in the first place is a stable government and there ability to fight off foreign threats, which was not the case for Imperial Russia, Qing China and the ROC.
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>>2576288
typical ultra nonsense. communism isnt

< …worker ownership of the means of production, as Marx defined, as opposed to state ownership and in the case of modern China with large parts of the economy privately owned.


communism is the class dictatorship of the proletariat, where the means of production are collectively owned, a democratically elected series of workers councils being one such method of managing the collectively owned means of production.

your counterposing 'worker owned' and 'state owned' is charitably anarchist, uncharitably libertarian ancap, brainworms. the workers own the means of production through the mechanism of a proletarian government that is democratically elected, not ad hoc or individually, and this is what was the case in the USSR and is the case in China.

>>2579016
it does matter because it would have happen regardless if Russia was "communist" run or capitalist run as long there was a stable government and the means to protect against foreign capital

>>2578315
Oh okay, I wonder why Cuba, for instance, doesn't just hit the communist button. I mean it's that simple and easy and we're 'in front of Marx's time.' They have higher tech than the time of late 19th century Britain. No, that's not how it works. It's productive forces that drives changes to relations of production out of neccessity, not mental. Western countries aren't even in the socialist stage yet. And both Marx and Engels says going from the lower phase to the higher phase will be slow and gradual. Engels suggest it would take a long epoch. The state fades slowly because it becomes irrelevent.

>>2579490
>It's productive forces that drives changes to relations of production out of neccessity

Cool what new tech do we need to bring about socialism? AI? Fusion? And explain why this is different than previous predictions that electricity, nuclear power, and computers would bring about socialism.

>>2580513
I already explained it here >>2577979
Let's talk more about historical materialism though and analyze in Marxism terms.

In Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, Marx says:
"In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces."

Marx is saying that the structure of society emerges in accordance with the level of development of its productive forces, particularly its tools and technology.

In the earliest human societies, people lived in small groups where everything was shared and there was no private property. These communities were mostly egalitarian because their tools and technology were very basic. They hunted, gathered, and later farmed in simple ways. Since they couldn't produce much extra beyond what they needed to survive, there wasn’t room for wealth or class differences to develop. Studies today show that contemporary indigenous hunter gather tribes, who use very basic tools are quite egalitarian.

Marx also talks about how as the forces of production advances, it drives changes to the relations of production:

“At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production… From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution.” – Marx

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Doesn't the fact that CHINA has multiple STOCK exchanges, prove that its CAPITALIST? How do le elder scroll ones explain this? Even old turn of the century imperial germany was closer to socialism than modern day China.
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>>2580391
Notice how India's stock market has exploded in growth due to the financialization of its economy. Even India's public banks shifted to be be market driven due to IMF stipulations and they also deregulated interest rates.

Meanwhile, China's GDP rate of growth still grew in double digits at the same its stock market was stagnating. China's economy has far outpaced India's economy in size. 98% of finance is state-controlled in China. The loans and funding from China's state owned banks are coordinated through five year plans that shape industrial policy and set strategic direction, and they will also take reasonable losses to achieve social ends.

>>2580433
people tend to refer to chinas economic system as a "mixed economy" or "state capitalism", which is bullshit because all capitalism is state capitalism
thats the point he was trying to make

>>2580433
source?

Capitalism is good when China does it

Wonder if there's a movement in China to abolish the stock market



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im a socdem but a very left one ive read lots of marx and i agree w a lot of the economic ideas and i would be very naice to the communists can i pls stay
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>>2572569
gee i wonder who has betrayed the revolution again and again

>>2572572
khieu samphan is self-described demsoc

Only if you are brown and want to liberate the capitalists of your nation.

only if you make funny memes with cute anime girls on them

people are trolling you
dirty heckin libs are known to prowl this website so as a socdem youll be fine but expect people to shit all over your beliefs just like anyone else because they dont align perfectly with theirs, its still leftypol after all



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2580406
und lokales qwen oder deepseek sind keine produkte des kapitalismus?? auf welchen daten wurden denn diese "unzensierten" kis denn trainiert? auf den daten der kapitalistischen gesellschaft!

deine "tipps" sind absolut abgehoben und weltfern. du glaubst wirklich, jeder ist milliardär und computerwissenschaftler und kann einfach so seine eigene ki aufsetzen. abgesehen davon hast du keinen zugang zu aktuellen infos aus dem internet bei lokaler ki.

ich bin mir um die grenzen und fallstricke von online ki vollkommen bewusst. deswegen benutze ich wie ich bereits erwähnt habe, mehrere kis von komplett unterschiedlichen anbietern (inklusive dem leistungstärksten qwen modell, das man gewiss nicht lokal betreiben kann).

Kann der KI-Spasst, der glaubt ein dummes Sprachmodel, das nichts anderes macht als gestohlene Reddit- und Quora-Kommentare wiederzukauen, sei die Offenbarung Gottes einfach mal seine dümmliche Fresse halten?

Es wird langsam echt peinlich. Wie kann man nur so ein dummer Mensch sein?

>>2580420
>und lokales qwen oder deepseek sind keine produkte des kapitalismus??
Open source Modelle sind ein Produkt das Kapitalismus? Zudem gings mir darum, dass man sie wenigstens selbst ändern kann, im Gegensatz zu Produkten wie Gemini, ChatGPT, etc.

>auf welchen daten wurden denn diese "unzensierten" kis denn trainiert? auf den daten der kapitalistischen gesellschaft!

Das werden unweigerlich die mehrheitlichen Daten dieser Welt heute sein. Es geht mir eher um beabsichtigt implantiertes Bias und Schranken.

>du glaubst wirklich, jeder ist milliardär

Ich habe schon längst quantized Modelle vorgeschlagen.

>und computerwissenschaftler

Schau ein paar YouTube videos und ließ ein paar Artikel.

>abgesehen davon hast du keinen zugang zu aktuellen infos aus dem internet bei lokaler ki.

Verwende ein visual language model und eine library wie Playwright.
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>>2580446
>>2580455

es ist sinnlos diese diskussion fortzusetzen. ihr könnt über die großen ki dienste denken was ihr wollt. die tatsache ist, dass die großen ki dienste wie gemini, chatgpt, grok, qwen usw. von quasi der gesamten menschheit verwendet werden. diese technologie hat historische bedeutung und am ende spielt es keine rolle, dass ein paar nerds eine super basierte "unzensierte" ki auf ihrem heimcomputer aufgesetzt haben.

würdet ihr wirklich marxistisch denken, dann würdet ihr diesen trend, diese sozio-technologische entwicklung im weltmaßstab betrachten und nicht euch auf random leftypoler fokussieren.

ihr wisst, welche macht ki hat das bewusstsein der menschen zu formen. das habt ihr oft genug mir mitgeteilt. doch es ändert sich nichts, wen ln zwei, drei leute eure wunsch ki benutzen. ihr ignoriert die massen und das ist unmarxistisch.

>>2580446
>Kann der Crackspasti mal die Fresse halten?
>>2580476
>Tatsache ist, die Cracktechnologie hat historische Bedeutung. Welche Macht hat Crack, das Bewusstsein zu formen? Würdet ihr wirklich marxistisch denken, dann würdet ihr den Cracktrend, diese sozio-technologische Entwicklung, diese Weltmaßstabmassen an Crack, die ich rauche, nicht ignorieren.
🤔 Hmm ihr habt beide gute Argumente.



 

What is the point of horror when real life is infinitely more horrifying? Your average horror film is like watching the Teletubbies compared to a Mexican cartel torture/execution video. And I don't mean just the violence and suffering, I mean the casualness and banality. Or, to use another example, picture the scene of Roman mining slaves being literally worked to death because the profits of the mines were so large that human life became not worth maintaining, a level of greed that is perhaps unmatched even today.

Was horror unironically invented by sheltered people? What is the analysis?
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AAAAHHHHH

Yeah bro going to work is fucking scary
Literal shivers down my spine

>>2579304
Horror’s point isn’t to be scarier than reality, it’s to let you safely feel the thrill of fear for a few hours because nobody wants to work in a fucking slave mine or have soldiers rape and murder their family just to feel scared


>>2579304
What's the point of any art or fiction when reality exists anon?
It is entertainment, it is escapism. Story telling has been a core part of human socialisation since the stone age.
Can you even begin to imagine a world where we're limited to only discussing or portraying the real world? It's not psychologically healthy to only think on heavy topics that happen in reality. But fiction can give us an adrenaline rush without the risk of such trauma.



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