/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

A proud labor gift from the creators of the Gangwon-do spirit to the Glorious Party Congress.
Amidst the vigorous spirit of all the people to welcome the 9th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea as a great victory and glorious congress, the entire country was thrilled by the meaningful occasion of the completion of the construction of a hydroelectric power plant in Kangwon Province, which had been resolved before the Party.

The Hoeyang County People's Power Plant, which was completed following the Icheon, Munchon, Sepo, Pyonggang, and Goseong County People's Power Plants, is the last of the six hydroelectric power plants to be built, which the respected Comrade Kim Jong Un has set as a key task that must be built in Gangwon Province to develop the local economy and improve the material and cultural life of the people, upholding the important task of continuing and vigorously pushing forward the construction of small and medium-sized hydroelectric power plants.

With the completion of the construction of another power base that the province had anticipated during the five-year national economic development plan, Gangwon Province has gained a solid foundation for proudly writing a new history of prosperity alongside the era of local development, and has further strengthened its development potential to pioneer a more affluent life through its own strength.

The completion ceremony for the Hoeyang County People's Power Plant was held grandly on November 20th.

The completion ceremony was filled with the great pride and self-esteem of the people of Gangwon Province, who had built the valuable assets of revival with their own hands, confident in their own strength.

Comrade Kim Jong Un , General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, attended the completion ceremony.

As Comrade Kim Jong- un arrived at the completion ceremony venue, a storm of cheers of “Hurrah!” erupted, shaking the heavens and the earth.

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>>2568842
Speech:
The people of Hoeyang County and Gangwon Province, who stand here with the most honorable and proud memories of those truly difficult days!

Provincial Party Committee, provincial party organizations, and government officials!

Comrades!

It is truly a joyous occasion that the Hoeyang County People's Power Plant, another creation of the people of Gangwon Province, has been completed at a time when the entire nation is in turmoil, preparing for the brilliant unity of 2025, a year that will surely be recorded in history as a year of victory.

This is a valuable achievement in resolving the power problem of Gangwon Province, which has taken a great step forward in exploring and mobilizing hydropower resources tailored to the region's characteristics. It is also a meaningful result that demonstrates the self-reliance and boundless strength of the people of Gangwon Province, who have set a grand ideal and are moving forward without hesitation.

Today, I am truly moved to witness the changes of a new era in yet another part of our country and to come into close contact with the patriotic loyalty of the people of Gangwon Province.

Even beneath the towering peaks, on those mountains and ridges, there are countless traces of patience and struggle, and pure patriotic hearts shining like jewels. I cannot look at all of this indifferently.
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Can't wait for North Korean socialist construction to be so advanced and deeply rooted in society, that they open-up like China and we can visit.

>>2568916
One of the western-facing tour companies (Young Pioneer Tours) are saying they might be back up for tours late this year/next year.
I'd like to visit properly though, yea, outside of Pyongyang and the tourist circuit. Even though that would probably be harmful to open up in such a way currently.

the purge of all the symbols related to reunification is quite extensive

An interesting comment from the above article:

<Jurriaan Bendien
<August 17, 2019 at 8:39 pm

<Dear Paul,
<I read your article “Did Marx have a labour theory of value”, written in response to David Harvey. I just want to point out, that the real scientific dispute is not really about whether Marx had an LTV or a VTL.

<Marx never referred to his own theory as a labour theory of value for a very good reason, namely he understood quite well, and says so, that there are many assets in society whose value is not determined by labour time or labour costs, and whose value cannot be predicted by related labour costs (such as real estate and financial assets – stocks, securities, deposits, derivative contracts etc.).

<In brief, Marx understood, that NOT ALL value is determined by labour time. The labour theory of value applied only to the production and exchange of commodities as labour products. It did not refer to financial assets and land values, even if labour costs could influence their value to some or other extent.

<It was therefore quite logical, that Marx did not refer to his own theory as a labour theory of value, because that would imply that labour determined the magnitudes of ALL (economic) value. It doesn’t. If Marx really did subscribe to a labour theory of ALL value, this would be an scientific error.

<This simple point has rarely been understood in Marxist circles (I found only one scholarly article so far which explicitly acknowledges that, other than the Harvey/Elson line), which has the consequence that Marxists are at a loss to explain the financial economy, in terms of the LTV. All they can do is talk about “fictitious capital”.
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>>2568453
>After Jevons economists distinguished between the classical or labour theory of value and the neoclassical or marginalist theory of value.
in actual fact, the term "neoclassical" was chosen by critics, and was popularised by keynesians. there were however "schools" of thought, such as the austrian school (menger) and lausanne school (walras). the very term "classical" political economy also comes from marx himself, to describe the british tradition of thought, culminating in ricardo (yet marx never identified with it). what may surprise cockshott is that keynes considered marshall (and by extension, jevons) defenders of ricardo. this is what "(neo)classical" referred to (with keynes invoking marginal theories into his explanation of the "classical" theory of unemployment, via pigou).
>Even Jevons the founder of marginalism still accepted that prices were proportional to labour, thinking that his marginal utility theory gave further support to this time honoured assumption.
glad to see cockshott have sense on this issue.
>>2568444
>By the classical theory, we mean the theory that labour is the source of value. This was generally accepted from the time of Ibn Kaldun through Adam Smith down to that of Karl Marx.
i address the supposed canonicity of ibn khaldun within the thought of the LTV here: >>2554036
and show that what ibn khaldun believes is not the same as what is later given in the british tradition.
>It is arguable that this theory [marginalism] gained its popularity because the classical theory, having by then been adapted by socialist writers, had a rather disreputable image in polite society.
this is part of the same nonsense conspiratorial thinking as what michael hudson peddles. as jevons shows in his second preface (1879), it was gossen (1854) who first expounded the marginal theory, 4 years before marx even wrote the grundrisse (1858). further, jevons says that his own theory was given in outline in 1862, 5 years before the first edition of marx's capital (1867). if we actually read jPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2566339
jevons discusses this notion in "the rationale of free public libraries" (1862):
>If a beautiful picture be hung in the dining-room of a private house, it may perhaps be gazed at by a few guests a score or two of times in the year. Its real utility is too often that of ministering to the selfish pride of its owner. If it be hung in the National Gallery, it will be enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of persons, whose glances, it need hardly be said, do not tend to wear out the canvas. The same principle applies to books in common ownership. If a man possesses a library of a few thousand volumes, by far the greater part of them must lie for years untouched upon the shelves; he cannot possibly use more than a fraction of the whole in any one year. But a library of five or ten thousand volumes opened free to the population of a town may be used a thousand times as much. It is a striking case of what I propose to call the principle of the multiplication of utility, a principle which lies at the base of some of the most important processes of political economy, including the division of labour.
<"methods of social reform and other papers" (1883).
https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/jevons-methods-of-social-reform-and-other-papers
thus, public access to an object may multiply its total utility, which jevons compares to the division of labour. i would say that various libertarian arguments against copyright have the same idea. in my own time, i have bemoaned the privatisation of literature, since public access could only add to human wealth, never subtract. so, free stuff is often more utilitarian than the method of trade (contra the austrian school's idea of mutual interest… although, if we gave out free money, then we could say that we are necessarily increasing utility from an austrian standpoint, but are perhaps being "irrational" in allocation; but as rothbard says, he would rather give out free money to the public than have wasted money on public services. a lot of UBI stuff today is also libertarian). so, we return to the cancer of capitalist profit, which as smith says, is a tax against the nation. this is also an issue i disagree witPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2567390
I'm a different poster than the one you called ignorant.

Back to the question: In the writings of Marx, what is the difference between value and exchange value?

Any econ majors here? How do you cohabit the field with chuds?

>>2568668
lying to people doesn't work and the kinds of people you want in your party are the kinds of people who don't take kindly to dishonesty and treating their attention like a commodity.

>>2570374
>outdated planning techniques.
They are doing well, unlike Cuba.

>>2570396
They also have a land border with two friendly nations instead of being completely in the backyard of the most anti-communist nation in the world. Wake me up when someone outside the Kim family is "elected" general secretary.

>>2570339
"most communists are not taking any practical actions to bring communism any closer, they spend all their time posturing about ideas and vibes instead (like a religion or fandom), which is (to OP's point) why they prefer complicated and outright ambiguous language to simple language" is an argument, not an analogy. the analogy exists to hammer home the argument.

>>2570360
i am happy to be open ended, i want to be positively surprised. the chances someone says "i organize irl" as a counterargument are already minuscule, even before you start pulling apart their organization and realizing they're in a newspaper cult that puts out pompous statements of demands despite having 15 members and no serious plans to add more because it would upset the dynamic of their social club.

russian police

>>2570134
>translated by yandex
<comrade, for what?
<i'm not your comrade you european faggot
man people really are obsessed with the reductive narrative of the purple hair transgenders vs. the chadly military man. i hate politics as aesthetics

>>2570683
i posted it because of what he said. read what he said and tell me why he is wrong. you are afraid to read words.

>>2570795
Why is he beating the Russian branch of the ICP?

>>2570758
How is it so high though and what is China doing to solve it? Genuine question.

>>2570770
fake capitalist news. The youth of China is not unemployed. There is no systemic unemployment in China.

>>2570770
China is facing a youth employment problem because the number of its college graduates has been growing at a faster rate than its economy, a result of years' focus on education system. In Beijing, more than half the population has a college degree. Shanghai just crossed 40% for the first time. College grads went from 34% of the 24 year old age cohort in 2017 to 63% in 2023, a 28% increase. As the share of middle to high tech sectors becomes a more prominent part of their GDP, this should start leveling out.

On the other hand, this is a sign of China's new prosperity. China's urban youth unemployment is at 17%. Sweden's youth unemployment is at 24% but no one is talking about a collapse in Sweden. In 2000, you think Chinese youths would be allowed to play video games while they looked for a prestigious, high paying, good hours, cool peoples jobs? Every single restaurant in Beijing has a help wanted sign outside. But people think, correctly, that they have better choices. They can afford to take their time to find a job. No student loans and low cost of living, youth take their dandy ole time, even some of them taking a year off to "work on their music." By the way, unemployment in the next age bracket up, 25-30 year olds is 6%.

>>2569898
Western fanbases of Chinese gacha games will form a key component in the anti-war coalition.

>>2570681
I'm not really looking forward to the triumphant victory speeches about how angry Putin must be because he wasn't able to conquer the baltics or whatever.

>>2570645
What deal? You can't make deals with the US, they are incapable of holding up a deal.

>>2570717
Exactly, but why would they openly refuse it when Ukraine and EU does it for them. Ukraine and EU once again play the part of warmongering fools who still stick to their maximalist goals. There will not be a negotiated solution for Ukraine, but with this Russia can be the adult in the room and despite US being unreliable liar, Russia still needs to talk to the US, if not for Ukraine then because US still leads nato and they both need nucleararm controls. European nato won't and can't do jack shit, but that also means that only way for Russia to work with them is to use force, or talk with the US who can work as Russia's retard wrangler.

>>2570607
This whole plan really is just spoon feeding goodies to Ukraine and Europe, that as the losers they would have no claim to. Ukraine has to sacrifice minute things and it would get to keep it's army for the next round. To Russia US magnanimously gives things that are already Russian or will soon be if the war goes on, but will retain the right to withdraw any recognition if Russia doesn't behave. Oh and Russia will effectively have to pay reparations to Ukraine and to wallstreet. Anybody who says it's putin's wishlist is not a serious person.

My bet it's been totally written by Trump admin with deep-state influence to hope to please Ukraine and the Europeans to get US out of Ukraine and Europe. no Russian offical has laid their eyes on it until it "leaked". They just don't speak about it because they know Europeans and Ukrainians will act like chimps about it anyway.

>>2570594
Total NATOid death

>>2570716
>>2570718
>a few shitposters are the majority of the userbase
these arent even common shitposts, so Im guessing they were trying to make you mad, which succeeded

>>2570754
>so Im guessing they were trying to make you mad, which succeeded
No I agree we should nuke India, I'm part of the 2/3rd, sorry its not shitposting we just can't do it yet.

stop bumping this CIAuyghur thread uyghas

>>2570346
>Why does the left support the Bourzoua Practise of Letting in Millions upon Millions of low wage workers/ welfare parasites or brain drain for the intrest of Capitalist Elites?
every time you come here and ask this question, my answer is the same: immigrants aren't parasites. Capital seeks workers the cheapest labor market. Capital does this by outsourcing or using immigrants. Notice I say capital, because capital is a system. Even if individual bourgeoisie do not individually conspire to bring about this outcome, it emerges as a property of the global economy. The oppressed nations under imperialism have the cheapest labor markets. People flee imperialism seeking higher wages. The people who flee imperialism seeking higher wages end up getting jobs in the imperialist countries which pay them higher wages than they would make at home. They send part of these wages home as remittances to their family. Many who are against them might do the same thing in their shoes. Brain drain functions the same way, but with professionals and managers instead of workers. This is the actual underlying incentive structure of capital. This will continue to happen until rates of wages roughly equalize across the globe, which will not happen under capitalism. In the mean time reactionaries carry out campaigns to scapegoat immigrants for fleeing cheap labor markets. They call the migrants parasites even though capital creates these outcomes. They fuel these campaigns with racism and militarism. They actually start new imperialist wars which destroy infrastructure and means of production in target countries, reversing the level of development in these countries and lowering their wage rates further. Then they turn to the camera and say "wow, look at these third world brownoid shitholes!" with zero self awareness. Coups, sanctions, embargoes, invasions, bombing campaigns, and many other strategies are used to bring about this state of affairs. Reactionaries also lobby for a walled world. They want commodities to be more free to move than people. They want strong immigration controls. They want to pull a large portion of the adult male population away from productive activity and make them pigs, troops, and border guards who keep conditions shitty for both foreign and domestic workers, but especially the foreign workers, who get depPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>I am far right, I think we can come to some common understanding
okay
>Specifically, the topic of Immigration
oh so you want to split the workers instead of being a disciplined fighter

>>2570657
They don't have a good enough proxy to take power. The military will do guerilla warfare for chavismo

one possibility is to copy the strategy ukraine (lets face it was CIA & MI6) used in operation spiderweb, and mossad did in the first strike against iran. where they had ground assets running around launching drones (the latter had drone factories in Tehran). they also need to get people in place to mobilise protests. snipers to shoot at protesters in a false flag. psyop campaigns to make it look like maduro has fled the country, or the situation is hopeless so that the military flips.

>>2570666
If they couldn't achieve any of that already in the decades before lining up all this ordnance outside of VZ, then it's because the people really do support Chavismo against the yankee empire. This spells a strategic L for the US just like in Ukraine, Yemen and soon to be Taiwan

>>2568146
"Nazi Germany has made military exercises against the USSR and have found out that it's just one rotten door kicked for the regime to be toppled down."

>>2570664
Ok so I don't know this but, meanwhime the military might, MIGHT, not be loyal to maduro, I think we're forgetting that the venezuelan military have been for almost 30 years under the influence of Hugo Chávez and it's thought, and meanwhile "not loyal to maduro", I'm really sure they're loyal to the ideology.

>>2566558
No

>>2563966
>which makes our Mexican nazis extra funny
I call them naztecs

I get that not turning them into martyrs is probably the smartest thing to do, but man, I really wish Sheinbaum went full Red Terror on these fashoids.
#HangChriscucksFromLampostsAgain

>>2563898
Yamato Damashit stories are garbage idealism.

>>2570436
>genz
>mostly elderly
Huh

>>2570299
Thoughts on cedar City and Ogden?

>>2570299
What do you think the solution is?

>>2570365
i've been to cedar and ogden but i don't know a lot; just that cedar is very much centered around its stageplay industry and ogden i've only really passed through going to Eden. Both of them seem a lot more normal than the rest of the state but that might just be from an outside perspective. Cedar seems a little bit like Moab in the sense that there are more laid back and accepting people than elsewhere.

There's also places in the middle of nowhere like nephi or mona that seem to have the same kind of evangelical, dying-town culture as the other midwest states.

>>2570432
Hell if i know lmao, it seems pretty far out of our control unless the church fucks up and disillusions people somehow

>>2570524
So, defeatism?