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This isn't a joke or anything
Cuba is gonna be invaded by the US by next month, and I don't have much hope in the Cuban armed forces alone.

Either an armed resistance needs to be established in the United States or international voluteers need to be formed for Cuba, either by the Cuban goverment or some communist org (PSL, RCI, etc).
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>>2867796
It’s over Christcuck, Cuba has surrendered and is doing dengism. The Cuban revolution is OVER. Time to pack up your bags commies.

>>2867796
>>2867800
You both are complete retards who have projected your own psychological fantasies onto Cuba. No the Cuban state did not betray the revolution. They're choosing a path of transition toward a system that has proven capable of functioning under hostile capitalist imperialist conditions, while also demonstrating that it can transition back to a more authoritarian state model if and when necessary. They're not going to let millions die just to satisfy your bizarre fantasies or ideological fetishes.

>>2867994
>blah blah blah
Che Guevara was an amazing liberal revolutionary. Up there with Robespierre.

>>2868062
I mean he was a sub-par military theorist.

>>2867994
I'm so tired of anyone who uses the phrase "Dengism" to describe any capitulation to capital by an existing communist party.

For example, was Gorbachev doing Dengism? No. Why? Because he destroyed the party and the USSR, and did not pull anyone out of poverty, or make the USA more dependent on the USSR. Deng's gambit worked in the long term for the PRC. That's the difference.

>but the heckin proles

would have suffered under Yeltsinism instead of Dengism.


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I’m getting really fucking sick of the Palestine Movement’s obsession with “celebrity” activists and how much it prioritizes these western activists over actual Palestinians.

All the time on social media I see incidents of sone western activist living in America losing their job for speaking out against Zionism and then proceed to raise $20,000+ through a GoFundMe account in response. All of that money could have been better spent by being directly given to Palestinian families in Gaza who lost everything because if the genocide, or at the very least organizations with a good reputation for helping Palestinians in Palestine. Western activists will survive without your $100 donation, Palestinian families in Gaza won’t.

Tgis obsession with propping up the personalities of “activist celebrities” is one reason the Palestine a movement has become such a clusterfuck. I’m talking about people like Hasan Piker, Greta Thunberg, Chris Smalls, Ms. Rachel, Kehlani, and Vic Mensa to name a few. How about we start focusing on actual Palestinians? The flotilla activists are the same way: they receive so much money and support when they know full well the Zionist authorities won’t let them into Gaza, making the flotillas merely a stunt. Yeah, they were tortured in Zionist prisons but so have thousands of Palestinians who will never have their voices heard in global media.

Or, when Elias Rodriguez goes to trial in a few months you can be sure he’s going to get tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars in legal donations from Palestine activists. Gaza is suffering and yet you think giving money to a guy who will clearly be found guilty and spend the rest of his life in prison is a better use of your funds?

Celebrities and influencers should not be propped up on a pedestal at all but the same thing goes for these “I was fired for saying ‘Free Palestine’, I’m a martyr now, gib munny pls” types. Palestinians should be the ones centred here, not western activists who have made loads of money and clout for being pro-Palestine.
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>>2866962
>>2866960
Israel may contain elements of white supremacy(arguably all states have), but it is primarily a state built on Jewish supremacy, what else would you call it when ethiopians and Indians are admitted, while indigenous Palestinians are driven from their own land?

>>2868132
death to all merchants regardless of race

>>2868133
The fact is it is a European settler colonial state despite importing Arab Jews and African Jews to fill out their ranks at the lower strata. Can't really be White supremacist unless you have other races to lord over and it's obvious why they would want the lower strata filled with Jews instead of Muslims. It's like saying America is/was a Christian supremacist state and not White supremacist because Black Americans are Christian.

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>>2868141
You act as if those millions of Arab Jews were forced to go there, when in fact they went to Israel of their own accord, the Jewish element in Israel is the racial element. You view this as some sort of Ashkenazi master plan and when you look at a freak like Ben-Gvir and his ilk, you see them as manipulated victims or something. you’re just a liberal obsessed with identity politics and you really ought to just accept it.
I don't give a shit of a jew is blond or brown or whatever, I know a jew is a jew, everyone in the middle east or Muslim nation knows this, only liberals like you refuse to accept it.

>>2868229
also
>Can't really be White supremacist unless you have other races to lord over
This is truly the most idpol poisoned statement I have ever read. This is like arguing the Taliban would be fine with millions of Indian Muslims entering Afghanistan to be their lower strata or whatever bullshit You really are a typical Western leftist type, you would fit right in on r/breadtube


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Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
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my investments just increased $750 in value overnight

my fellow party members will be happy with my next financial contribution

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Friedrich von Wieser in 'The Origin of Value' (1884) coins the first use of the term "marginal utility" (Ch. 4, Sct. 2):
<In the following, I shall refer to the utility of a good—which is decisive for the value of a unit of that good because it corresponds to the least important use permitted by economic considerations—as "economic marginal utility" or simply "marginal utility" (cf. Jevons's terms "final degree of utility" and "terminal utility"). It will become evident that, in all cases involving the value of individual goods that make up a stock, marginal utility determines the magnitude of that value. Economic value is marginal value. [Ich werde im Folgenden den für den Werth der Güter- einheit entscheidenden Güternutzen, weil er an der Grenze der wirthschaftlich zugelassenen Verwendungen steht, den wirth- schaftlichen Grenznutzen oder auch kurzweg den Grenznutzen nennen (vergl. die Ausdrücke y)final degree of utilüy(c und yiterminal utilitya bei Jevons). Es wird sich zeigen, dass in allen Verhältnissen, in denen es sich um den Werth der ein- zelnen, einen Vorrath bildenden Güter handelt, der Grenznutzen den Ausschlag fiir die Grösse des Werthes giebt. Der wirth- schaftliche Werth ist Grenzwerth].
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true or false?

>>2867040
Well, industry doesn't require selling to the world market; it can also sell to domestic markets (e.g. "Made in America"), which is naturally more expensive by costs:
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/11/heres-how-much-a-made-in-the-usa-iphone-would-cost.html
It appears more expensive to producers and consumers in the short-term, but can lower over time. Regardless, it is acting as a security, most especially for employment. A notorious example is the decline of Detroit:
<In Detroit, the devastating economic effects of deindustrialization continue to push inhabitants away from what was once the fourth-largest city in America.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/detroit-decline_n_813696
<Data says 51% of children lived in poverty in 2024, a rate that is three times the national average
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2025/10/07/grim-reality-more-than-half-of-detroit-children-are-now-living-in-poverty-census-bureau-data-shows/
Of course, the lumpenisation of the proletariat doesn't reduce national costs, it only exacerbates them by the means of welfare payments. So, the national producer and consumer may be able to buy goods cheaper, but this is only relative to the social costs of unemployment and crime, resulting from it. In terms of effective policy for re-industrialisation, there have to either be incentives or interventions. In the UK for example, the post-war Labour government nationalised key industry sectors:
<Nationalisation was the Labour Party’s idea of putting the control of the main industries in the hands of the people, instead of a small group or shareholders […] 1 in 10 British people worked in these nationalised industries […] Many people believed the process artificially helped declining industries.
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This is a good collaboration between Michael Hudson and Carl Benjamin on the debt cycle, expressed as class warfare. If I could appeal to both men, I would portray the wage relation as a type of interest-bearing capital. Aquinas of course also demystifies rent as a type of usufruct, and thus a usurious "double payment", or as Carl properly declares, indebted students must 'move uphill just to stand still', like the ancestral debts put on children in the ancient world, as Graeber writes about; the pension fund is no different - life serves death. Carl also describes student debt as a "tax" on young people, which is true, but I would comment that Adam Smith described profits as a tax also. What is common in all of this is a mode of surplus extraction by unproductive elements of society, and so a unified class struggle. We can read Marx on this issue:
<In the corvée, the labour of the worker for himself, and his compulsory labour for his lord, differ in space and time in the clearest possible way. In slave labour, even that part of the working-day in which the slave is only replacing the value of his own means of existence, in which, therefore, in fact, he works for himself alone, appears as labour for his master. All the slave’s labour appears as unpaid labour. In wage labour, on the contrary, even surplus-labour, or unpaid labour, appears as paid. There the property-relation conceals the labour of the slave for himself; here the money-relation conceals the unrequited labour of the wage labourer.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch19.htm
So, the "5,000 Year War" is not particular, but is a general struggle.


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WILLKOMENSKULTUR IST VORBEI edition

>“The age of Willkommenskultur is over, the era of mass deportations has begun,” commented the Sweden Democrats party, whose MEP Charlie Weimers played a central role as ECR’s shadow rapporteur.
>In a rare show of unity on the European Right, the directive was adopted not only by the national conservative groups (PfE, ECR, and ESN) but also the EPP, which votes together with the leftist parties in the vast majority of cases.
>Most importantly, the new law will introduce a mutual recognition and enforcement obligation between member states regarding deportation orders, meaning migrants cannot circumvent return decisions by moving to a different EU country and restarting the process. A return order in one country will legally count as a valid order in all of them.
>Another important point is the introduction of third-country return hubs, making it possible for member states to externalize return procedures by sending migrants to secure facilities outside EU territory to wait for the end of the process, ensuring they won’t escape implementation once the paperwork’s done.

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>>2867879
"sovereign europe"
is there anything in that document about not being cucked to the US?

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>>2867879
based but also this >>2867892
rightoids can't not suck U$/piᛋᛋrahell dick

>>2867920
There's nothing 'based' about ethnic cleansing, polfag


>>2867879
Deport the Flemish


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Genel Türkiye siyaseti ile ilgili konuşun!

Li ser siyaseta giştî ya Tirkiyê biaxive!

Şıma qısey bıkı Poliya Turika!

Yurtişi siyaseti p'ara yoxaleps!

تحدثوا عن السياسة العامة في تركيا!
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What is TiP's stance on the Kurdish question? Because a local branch has been supporting work we are doing around Rojava and I honestly found that surprising.

>>2863002
True, but the Turkish state's war on the Kurds and the PKK's campaign to transform Kurdish society has had a devastating effect. There's no opportunity for postcapitalism revolution there.

>>2863009
and? There’s a whole world outside the ottoman rumplet, go where things are possible and don’t repeat first worldism in thr second world

What's this new set of raids and arrests against CHP run municipality? How bad is it for the whatever can be called opposition? What is in your future politically?
Plz TLD for us foreigners?

what will be the consequences of Turkey becoming ultra-low fertility?


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Newsanon is ran by WOKE fake news, TruthNewsQnon only brings the TRUTH!

Donald Trump accuses 'fake news' of wanting US to lose Iran war, blasts NYT reporting

>President Donald Trump accused the "fake news" media of wanting the United States to lose its war with Iran during a Monday interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, as he defended the military campaign and threatened another wave of strikes against Tehran.
>Trump argued that Iran's military had been decimated but continued to receive favorable news coverage.
>"All they do is talk and they have fake press. They do very well with the fake press, but because the fake news wants us to lose," Trump said.

Trump authorises US ground invasion of Iran as President declares 'next phase of operations'

https://www.independent.co.uk/US-ground-invasion-staging

>President Donald Trump has announced that the United States will begin major ground operations inside Iran in the coming days, confirming a dramatic escalation of the months-long conflict between Washington and Tehran.
>In a statement posted Monday morning, the President said he had authorised what he called the "next phase of operations" following consultations with senior military commanders and his national security team.
> "The Radical Regime in Iran has refused every opportunity to make a deal. They chose conflict instead of PEACE," Trump wrote.
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Trump approval rating hits 55% as supporters praise his agenda

CNN.com

>President Donald Trump’s approval rating has reached 55% in a new poll, with supporters crediting his economic policies, energy expansion, and government reform efforts.
>"The American people see that we are delivering results," Trump said.
>The White House said the numbers show growing support for Trump’s leadership ahead of the 2026 midterm elections, while critics disputed the findings since it was 65% last time.

Trump dealt major blow as Supreme Court blocks attempt to launch ground invasion without Congress

By CNN Politics Staff

>The Supreme Court ruled that the administration cannot launch a large-scale ground invasion without first receiving approval from Congress.
>The ruling rejected Trump’s argument that the president has broad authority to conduct major military operations, with the court reaffirming Congress’s constitutional role in authorizing war.
>Critics accused Trump of attempting to bypass democratic checks and expand presidential power beyond its limits.
> "This is a clear reminder that the president is not a king," one lawmaker said.
>The Trump administration condemned the decision, arguing it undermines the commander-in-chief’s ability to act quickly during international crises.
>The ruling marks a significant setback for Trump’s foreign policy agenda and is expected to fuel further criticism of his approach to executive power.

Trump praised as "hero of Israel and Jewish people" by prominent Israeli rabbi

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-who-hes-eyeing-replace-lindsey-graham

>Speaking at an event in Jerusalem, Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, one of Israel’s most influential religious leaders, credited Trump with strengthening U.S.-Israeli relations and supporting policies favorable to Israel.
>"President Trump has stood with Israel and defended the Jewish people. For many, he will be remembered as a historic friend and a hero," Ben-Dahan said.
>Trump thanked the rabbi for his remarks, saying his administration would continue to support Israel and work toward strengthening ties between the two countries.
>Supporters of the president praised the comments as evidence of strong international backing for Trump’s foreign policy, while critics argued the statement reflected political divisions surrounding the administration.
>The White House said the remarks highlight what it described as "an unprecedented partnership" between the United States and Israel.

>>2866801
thats literally his disapproval rating, wtf are you talking about?

Bump


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what do you guys think of sun yat-sen and the three principles of the people ? is it some bourgeois bullshit? was it an okay idea at the time ? or was it kinda just bad for china/taiwan in the long run ?
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>>2867770
In actual history he had soviet support

>>2867820
yeah because he was "progressive" and a useful ally in the chinese context.
But put this guy in the russian/soviet context and he would be a reactionary. The guy did not believe in class struggle but instead believe in class collaborationism based on social harmony. He did not believe in a dictatorship of the prolertariat but instead believed in a neutral state. Where the state would be the meditator of class issues and promote social/class harmony
This is deeply reactionary in the soviet context

>>2867826
He was objectively progressive because China was a quasi feudal backwater country being torn up by imperialists and he wanted to modernize it.

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The real father of the Chinese Revolution

>>2867881
>creates a new competent Army
>tames Koreans and Japanese
>kills peasant rebels
>mogs Sun Yeti San
>murder political rivals
>humiliates his congressmen
potentially the greatest Chinese president of all time, the only thing he did wrong was get sick and die


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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott
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Eric Meier interview
>Thinking about planning with INDEP

>>2865688
as opposed to… where? what are you even saying? did you even see the damn video?

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https://www.indep.network/paper-by-david-zachariah-and-tomas-hardin-outlines-eco-socialist-planning-proposal/
https://github.com/dzachariah/economic-planning/blob/main/Socialist%20Planning%20in%20the%20Era%20of%20Climate%20Change.pdf

New video, follow-up:
>Reply to comments on Unity
https://youtu.be/NsDKvsTfyj0

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>>2867597
>9:34
uh oh does Dickblast have a loicense for expressing support for Palestine Action?
also that facial expression


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Why are you not ANPRIM, /leftypol/?
>the agricultural revolution begins 10,000 to 12,000 years ago during the neolithic period
>prior humans were hunter-gatherers during the Stone Age tens of thousands to millions of years ago
>humans were originally scavengers before the widespread discovery of fire 1-2 million years ago and ate bone marrow and raw carcasses
>farmers were significantly less healthy and shorter than the hunter-gatherers
>humans didn't have codified law or religion until the Bronze Age
>ever since the industrial revolution of the 1800s, humans have been driving the 6th great extinction and are enslaving themselves and the planet
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Anprim is a meme ideology created by people's spooks about a biblical Armageddon or it's equivalent (Cilmate Change, Industrial collapse). And anprim is ultimately a reactionary ideology wanting to go back to a mythologized version of time before civilization.

Going anprim will not save humanity, keeping some form of industry will be the best way to help save humanity in the long run. Earth has been in different climate changes before and will do so again.

>>2865075
>According to anthropological and ecological estimates, the global carrying capacity of hunter-gatherers is approximately 8–30 million people.
Its even more wasteful and harmful to the environment than what I expected.

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>>2865580
>civilization
>saving humanity in the long run
Spooky

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>>2865580
>Earth has been in different climate changes before and will do so again.

yes and we didn't evolve to live In those climates and the vhange is happening freakishly fast.

I agree going anprim won't save anything because it's all too late anyway, we need coordinated long term efforts and we can not do it with our governments since they don't give a shit for anything except maintaining whatever the fuck we have now.

>>2866451
wait a minute thats a climateshitpost meme. Are you a fellow user of that place?


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>>2867363
>walk up to a person reading YA slop
>you fucking ivory tower elitist
yeah basically

>>2867279
>ai sloppa
>america first white supremacism presented as a meaningful "correction" to zionism
you smell like pure unfettered ass

>>2866781
>How long until the government starts murdering us
for all you know they could be giving you cancer

>>2866789
well biden's son literally had a do-nothing job on the board of a ukrainian gas firm, and if it weren't for the fact that most neocon republicans are in on the ukraine nonsense (lindsey graham and john mccain visited frequently), republicans could heave easily turned it into a "ukrainegate" scandal

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>>2867678
>democracy at work sounds a plan developed by Richard Wolff


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