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Hoxhaism, like other Scientific Socialist movements, had first emerged out of the ideological conflict during the middle-to-late potion of the 20th Century CE. During this time, Enver Hoxha, General Secretary of the Albanian Party of Labour, began to understand, and be critical of, the increasingly revisionist and opportunist rhetoric and polices of the leaders of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics after the death of J. Stalin. At this time, the powerful and harmonious socialist economy that was created as a result of the five-year plans of the 1930’s was slowly being metaphorically watered-down as Khrushchev and later Brezhnev ruled the USSR into the later part of the 20th century.

Enver Hoxha was further agitated by Mao Zedong’s “three worlds theory”; a revisionist and opportunist idea which ignored any sort of societal contradictions in favour of Mao’s immediate geopolitical ambitions. To quote Comrade Hoxha on the “three worlds theory”:

"[…] all of these terms which refer to the different political powers working in the world today conceal — and don't reveal — the class character of these political powers, the basic contradictions of our epoch, the predominant key problem on the national and international scale today, the grim struggle which is waged between the bourgeois-revisionist world on the one hand and socialism, the world proletariat and its natural allies on the other hand." (Enver Hoxha, Report to the 7th Party Congress of the PLA)

Enver Hoxha would seldom capitulate to Khrushchev’s careerism or Mao’s flunkeyism, however. Instead, he would later withdraw from the social-imperialist Warsaw Pact, and would end relations with the revisionist People’s Republic of China. Thus in the process, preventing the People’s Socialist Republic of Albania from becoming a vassal of either social-imperialist state or bloc.

Hence, from this ideological conflict emerged Hoxhaism – the continuation of Marxism and modernisation of Leninism for the international proletariat, free from the crass revisionism and careerism of the Khrushchevite-Brezhnevite Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the petite-bougeois pseudo-Marxism of the People’s Republic of China.

After Hoxha’s life concluded in 1985, a large amount of Communist Parties, many of which located in the Americas, have taken up Hoxha’s example resilience to revisionism and careerism.

Hoxhaism, as it exists in the present, is the most potent Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2802652
you must admit this is a bit silly?
Marxism should be "revise" or "re-envisioned" whatever as material conditions change. The world is very different today from the industrial revolution
Not only that, but Albania never really progressed under Hoxha. The country still doesn't even drinkable tap water. Clearly Dengism or Castroism or even Juche are superior models.

>>2808070
>Albania never really progressed under Hoxha
you wot m8. the party of labor of albania basically built all the infrastructure, industry, electricity, technology, education, etc. albania has

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>>2807863
>idk they seem pretty lame compared to ICMLPO
Do you even know what the united front and popular front are you fucking dumbass?
There is nothing more "lame", to speak you prepubescent verbiage, than, after going out of your way to rebase on anti-revisionist, revolutionary Marxism-Leninism like Hoxhaists are supposedly doing, not dispense with one of the most blatant batch of revisionist seeds found in the simpleton directives of Dimitrov's years in the ECCI; collaboration with bourgeois liberal leaders (progressives like Churchill!), parliamentary cretinism and peaceful coexistence with capitalist imperialism. After your "Fifth head", Hoxha himself, at the end of his life, famously spend a large amount of energy tackling and critiquing the so-called "eurocommunist" counter-revolutionary advance; a political movement within the eastern bloc which was exactly a direct consequence of a process starting with the Comintern's 7th Congress. Concessions there from made into a battering ram, weaponized by the bureaucrat right-wing. In everything Dimitrov modified of the United Front with his Popular/Anti-Fascist Front addition, Stalin found the need to add absent cautious detail, clarification, grounding it in the united front conclusions; pointing to the Popular Front having no place after the fascist axis were no more.
Stalin was a Leninist and the Comintern gradually refined the United Front tactic, crystallizing in the United Front from Below during the 5th Congress the most universal tactic for the capitalist imperialist era, having none of the 6th Congress ultra-left mistakes. It was born out of praxis in the real sense of the word. To think 7th Congress 'Popular Frontism', pushed by Dimitrov, consisting of a right-deviationist overcorrection to 6th Congress, which was in turn a left-deviationist overcorrection in response to Bukharinite eclecticism causing chaos in the Comintern during the 5th, when it is the ground which revisionist stand on, is fucking sus. Apparently ICMLPO just concluded that the mantle of anti-revisionism just wasn't that important as Hoxha stans and, as a result, have handed the KKE that sword instead. Practically, that is (as far as I can gather) the case right now. KKE and their ECA international from 2009 onward, have a more ML anti-revisionist line than the largest Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

So not a single Hoxhaist actually is on leftypol to engage with the discourse attempted in this thread or?
So who the fuck made the fucking thread?

>>2802664
>numbers are the most important thing



 

"you must say ZOG" crowd is retarded. zionists occupy palestine and lebanon. they bribe and blackmail the US. in bribery and blackmail there are 2 guilty parties. in occupation there is only 1 guilty party. the US government is not a victim of zionist occupation, it is a collaborator in zionist genocide. "ZOG" absolves US imperialism. that is why "ZOG" started off as a nazoid slogan in the 70s rather than an anti imperialist slogan.

the us government is foundationally zionist. manifest destiny is just zionism for anglo protestants.

burgerfat voters are highly fed and armed and elect the zionists. they could easily expel the zionists with 1/100th of the effort that hamas and hezbollah put into resisting genocide, yet they continue to elect zionists while crying that they are "occupied." it's really pathetic stuff.
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>>2832246
the burger reactoid goes mute when asked this basic question

>>2832246
Because admitting that the genocide is indeed, in the interests of westerners as a whole, not just Israelis, Jews, or even the business class, but all of society is way too bitter of a pill to swallow. If it’s not Gaza or Vietnam or Iraq it’ll be us under the rubble, better them than us.

>>2832849
This is very similar to the confederate myth that black people would take revenge and kill white people if they were freed.

That didn't happen.

The British Empire collapsed and not every Brit was executed.

The Third Reich was defeated and not ever German was executed.

Americans and Israelis ending their genocide against Gaza will not likely result in Americans and Israelis being under a bunch of rubble.

That is fear mongering meant to inspire further complicity.

The narrative that every westerner, from the lowliest worker all the way up to the richest billionaire, benefits from imperialism, genocide, etc, only serves to manufacture indifference towards foreign policy. But if my government goes around making the whole world hate me in exchange for a few trifles… that is not in my long term benefit. It is in my benefit to fight imperialism.

Just like the "treatler" narrative seeks to flatten all westerners and make them seem equally complicit, the "ZOG" narrative seeks to make the American masses seem like just as big of victims of zionism as Palestinians. Both narratives are false. Americans are not as big of victims of zionism as palestinians, nor are they equally benefiting from their zionism as their ruling class. The truth is much more ambiguous, and it is this ambiguity that precisely allows these oversimplistic "all or nothing" narratives to take a hold of people, because thinking is hard, and submitting to a reactionary narrative is much easier.

>>2830985
What's the point of asking this question except to bait people into getting banned by jannyberg

>>2833012
I don't see a single question mark in the OP. If you're baited at hearing that burgerfats are funding zionists rather than victims of zionists occupation, and that Palestinians are actually victims of zionist occupation, maybe you're a retard.



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can I be a leftist and also half israeli but condeming israel but not as much as i should
will the leftists accept me if I'm open about this
can i join the local mutual aid scene?
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Do you live in Israel?

join the IDF to kill your higher ups and then maybe i'll accept you

>>2832550
German detected. It's more a problem with your country than a problem with anarchists and libsocs, this problem doesn't exist in Spain, France, Italy or Greece.

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>>2832487
are you in israel? if not then this is a stupid question to begin with, if yes then do something radical to help out palestineians and destablise the country as much as possible by arguing for direct democracy or keeping ultras out of conscription or some shit

>>2832487
>but not as much as i should
lol



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Previous thread: >>2381106

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

Previous QTDDTOT Archives
https://archive.is/ga3OG
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>>2825229
>when history repeatedly shows these exact marginalized groups were often far more radical, violent, and revolutionary
violent sure, radical and revolutionary no, in fact historically lumpen were overwhelmingly hired as fascist thugs enforcer, police informant and strike breakers, proving the marxist analysis right

>>2832983
>top uses bottom to oppress middle
doesn't this framing risk reinventing liberalism by pitting the proletariat and petty bourgeoisie as allies against the lumpen criminals and the bourgeois overlords. This is the Berniecrat way of looking at things.

Reform, Civil War, Revolution

In the case of slavery, we see that in the British Empire, it was abolished through reform. They passed the act to abolish it in 1833.

In the case of America it was abolished through Civil War.

In the case of Haiti we have revolution. The slaves overthrew their masters.

Is revolution always inevitable, or is it only what happens when all other options fail?

If other options succeed, is that undesirable for communism, since communists want these changes to happen through revolution?

I used to think the communist theory was that revolution was necessary because reform never works, but the British never rolled back the abolition act of 1833. Even though that's a different scenario than the abolition of wage labor, it is an important case study.

If the same problem can be tackled in different ways, and history shows that through evidence, then why cling to the thesis that it can only happen one way?
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if VOOTING doesn't work… how come 1 vote saved the world?

>>2833165
my sub-
-marine
it never lost control
you're face
to face
with the vote that saved the world
catchy riff



 

Fuck whoever deleted the other thread edition

No links because the previous links are shit af

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News: Iran cucking out just when fun was starting
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>>2833090
They are also trying to sell the illegally claimed territory to euros too. There is a whole real estate market that Britian allows where they target jews and offer them cheap homes to move into without being up front about where it's located in Israel, turns out its not.

>>2833119
Those British Jews know exactly what they're doing, don't pretend otherwise lol.

>>2833122
Most do but I didn't hear about it until one jew whistle blew it and made a video about it.

>>2833083
ai enabled humanoid robots will do the job

>>2832646
literally who?



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Explain your political progression. I'll start with mine, I live in the US for reference.
>I started off as vaguely conservative when I first starting learning about politics (was really into the whole "competition drives innovation" type thing). Didn't like feminism and what I thought was political correctness gone mad. Was christian (still thought shit like noahs ark was retarded though).
>Grew out of Christianity and as a result became disillusioned with a lot of the republican messaging.
>Became friends with a group of guys that were very right wing and slowly realized they were completely retarded which drove me away from being a republican.
>Became a democrat still heavily pro-capitalism of course. Very destiny style liberal with some reactionary tendencies
>Don't remember why but started looking into fidel castro and realized that he wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said he was and actually agreed with a lot of his ideas.
>Read "Principles of Communism" and heavily resonated with it.
>Spent a couple years still as a lib but with sympathies to communism, didn't fully understand it and disagreed but didn't outright hate it like 99% of liberals do.
>Around 2018 started to feel alienated amongst liberals, it's difficult to explain but I felt like I *cared* about things while liberals did not, they would act like they cared but they didn't really give a shit.
>Finally got around to reading some of capital and dove deep into a lot of online communities
>The rest is history
What about you guys?
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>>2830165
>the ideology of various anons was gradually shaped and reshaped by their environment, upbringing, social relations and intellectual curiosity

yeah that's what i find weird about it, that it all just comes from outside influence and not from within. it's like their heads are just buckets that start out completely empty and over the course of their lives get filled with other people's conventional ideas and contain nothing original or weird or unique. bucketheads.

>be me
>be born in America
>be a zoomer
>be in elementary school when Trump gets elected (Yes I am that fucking young)
>hear your parents talk about how much they hate Trump and wish Obama was still president
>Start to hate Trump too because your parents do
>Biden wins election
>really like Biden at first
>Gaza genocide starts
>Be mad at Biden's complicity
>Start to hate the democratic establishment
>Start to like Bernie
>Start to like socialism
>love for socialism becomes love for communism
Im so glad I didn't end up going down the Groyper-Route like so many other Zoomer-White-Boys like me have


>>2830514
This retarded because by that logic the ussr allowed gay sex with teens because there weren’t any laws about gay people(1917-1933)

Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.

My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles.

There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.



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Clive Davis was rushed to the hospital for lung issues and may not survive another day.

This is important because Davis is a monster who has been far WORSE than Epstein and is a much bigger and more sinister criminal

Davis is one of the most powerful men in the music industry, and there's been rumours for years that he's has been involved in loads of shady shit like running Epstein-like sex trafficking rings in the music industry since the 1970s. It is a known fact Davis was involved in one of the biggest payola scandals in music industry history. He is also known to commit tax fraud/evasion. Plus there is a huge number of musicians whose deaths he was certainly involved in (Janis Joplin, Donny Hathaway, Phyllis Hyman, Luther Vandros, Aaliyah, Left Eye, Whitney Houston, Angie Stone and even Prince). Some say he has CIA connections. Yet he hasn't been charged with anything

Davis buckbroke Diddy when Diddy first entered the music industry. But it gets deeper. Clive Davis is a member of the Study Group (Mega Group), a secretive inner circle of powerful Jewish billionaires. This same organization funded Jeffrey Epstein and gave him his elite connections. We know Epstein was a Mossad agent who was getting blackmail material on the rich and powerful so they’d keep making pro-Israel policies. There is no doubt Clive Davis was absolutely using Diddy to get blackmail material on rappers and pop stars so that they’d stay in-line identical to Epstein. And the Study Group was behind it all.

Davis is also a gigantic Zionist and owns a school at NYU (where criticizing Zionism is against university policy).

Given all this, will Davis finally be exposed on his deathbed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuR1H7US_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClzGRCoGlWc
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>>2827965
His old azz probably has Kuru, Too much human flesh can kill you. Either that or AIDS since he loves the c0ck.


He’s the main reason Diddy has so much wealth and power. Rest in piss

>>2827965
>He is also known to commit tax fraud/evasion.
That’s literally every billionaire. You might as well have said he’s known to breathe oxygen (although that might not be the case anymore).

>tfw he’s out of the hospital



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2828066
If that’s the case libtard, why do pedophobes claim that the AoC should exist because minors are just sooooo easy peasy to get laid with? What difference would the AoC make if I don’t have the ability to seduce minors as you say?

Either you or them can be true, not both

>>2792061
I don't agree but a funny factoid is that the nazis thought interracial laws of the usa, also known as one drop policies, were too extreme, so while I don't really agree, hitler def was an ameriboo

1.70 to 80 percent of the world have always been, are and will be always be queer, mainly bi. Actually half of people are secretly bi. They don't know it or repress it.
  1. To free them and to crush the patriarchy we need to force everyone to be queer for anywhere between a month and 5 years.
  2. True gays and heteros are ~10% of population each.
  3. There are no gods and ideally (lol) people should be strictly Atheist with a strong anticlerical and antideist bent, but if they need a sky fairy to worship, replace Abrahamism (queerphobic psy-op by desert heebs) with whatever religion the locals followed before.


>>2833091
Completely outlandish, you are rightfully shunned here

>>2827641
>june 2026
0 bolsheviks



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Does anybody here read Ted Grant?
He predictied the collapse of the post-WW2 boom and also basically created the RCI.

https://www.tedgrant.org/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/index.htm

Dead thread

Hes just another dumb western trot

>>2832682
Fuck you

Snca



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What is a revolutionary demand? It seems to me that most of the measures in the Communist Manifesto are simply liberal-democratic demands which decrease the cost of labor-power or otherwise support capital accumulation.

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

This is just a land-value tax. It's basically just Georgism or some other liberalism appropriating economic rent for spending on capital.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
> 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
The state is just going to spend these funds on capital.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Debt and unproductive labor are just different kinds of costs of circulation to appropriate, Hilferdingism is basically Georgism.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Public education just decreases the costs of propagation. Public services like housing, transit, childcare and education just decrease the wages that capitalists need to pay their workers.

These are all good liberal democratic reforms but they're not really proletarian demands.

>what's a DotP?!
Babbie's first thread



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