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Alright cadres, I made this post to be mainly a community driven thread where we together try to post a total of 95 changes that ought to be implemented to society/government and/or issues that need to be addressed. For example,

1. Lower the Required presidential age to 25
2. End all aid to Israel
3. Overturn Ford vs. Dodge Brothers
4. Ban people 50 years or older from becoming public servants
5. Give a pardon and Medal of Freedom to Edward Snowden in Iceland.
6. Designate AIPAC as a foreign lobby.
7. Overturn Dodge Brothers vs Ford
8. Overturn Citizens United vs. FEC
9. Free Healthcare
10. Band hedge funds from owning houses
11. Tax Mega-Churches
12. Outlaw child pageants
13. Execute criminals from the Epstein Files.
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>>2591407
It would be interesting if he was resurrected. He would debunk every "marxist." Ithink he hated "Marxists" in his own lifetime.

>>2591407
Answer the question faggot

>>2591409
>I think he hated "Marxists" in his own lifetime.

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>>2591084
>let's make a wishlist with no plan to implement any of it

>>2594759
That's why I'm coming to y'all. What would you recommend for me to do to implement these changes?



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Are there any reactionary or non communist figures that you kinda support respect or like? And not the I like them because they are a meme or because they sabotaged themselves and their movement. Im talking more so about genuine respect towards them but still disagreeing with most of their policies. It doesnt have to be full like either just some degree of respect.
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>>2596556
I second Lincoln and Brown, and I'd like to also add Silas Soule who was a young ally of John Brown who was assassinated for refusing to participate in the slaughter of Native Americans, as well as the three American soldiers who ended the My Lai massacre, and finally John Kehoe and the rest of the Molly Maguires.

>>2596549
>Stalin gobbled western imperialism dick
We are aware

>>2596575
revolting is one thing
ruling after the revolt is another

I do not mean this as a shitty4chan troll, but we saw similar things elsewhere (Mugabe in Zim, Idi Amin in Uganda). One must be able to honor and approve of the anti-colonial struggle while disapproving of the the governance post-independence.
I would assume that would be the case for most people. Rarely do you get a man who is equally good at fighting and governing. These are the exceptions.

Shout out to Napoleon, Julius Caesar, and Oliver Cromwell for recognising the historical moment and doing what needed to be done

>>2596555
It's easy. Those "american communists" he worked with were soviet aligned socdems. So the socialist movement was surpressed. FDR is a classic fascist.



 

The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen after either the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and alPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2597548
There we go. Stop bitching about Prison of Nations then.

>>2597548
Or in simple terms, they want their share of the imperial plunder.

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>>2597443
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>>2597551
Did you not notice all of the New Afrikan flags flown during the George Floyd Protests and every other Black/New Afrikan uprising against Police Brutality, and all of the Mexican flags flown at the Anti-ICE protests in LA (their were even signs saying that the Southwest U$ should be returned to Mexico), and almost every Native American Tribe supports having Sovereignty/Autonomy, so I think you are the ones that are in denial about the Material reality that the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations seek Self-Determination in their own New Afrikan SSR, Hispano-American SFSR, and Native American ASSRs of the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2596118
I will answer your questions because I am the one who originally wrote this Dialectical Materialist Analysis Effort Post about the Material conditions in the U$, which the OP shamelessly plagiarized (I appreciate that he likes my Effort Posts, I just wish that he would acknowledge my work), and these two scenarios are literally the only ways Communism can be constructed in the 21st Century, with the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism being much more likely then the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism, because Trump will probably use the Insurrection Act to declare martial law and suspend Bourgeois Liberal Democracy, with the elimination of the Controlled Opposition U$ Democrats meaning that the U$ will probably launch World War III to eliminate China, the Global Controlled Opposition that is essentially the Global Democrats, with this escalating into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allow for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, TurkePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2597627
Additionally, this video from Black Red Guard gives a great short explanation for why New Afrikans desire Self-Determination in their own SSR separate from the White Settler population, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️

>>2597630
I do not take lessons from DSA social-facists.



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
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>>2592146
MFP is alright as a party.

>>2592204
dude that parties banned

>>2592205
Nah they created another party, People's Party.

Cambodia has now shut down its border crossings.

Thailand halts fuel shipments to Laos because supplies are being given to the Cambodian war machine.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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a bunch of planning talks from the 2023 Gesellschaft für Informatik festival have been uploaded:
https://www.indep.network/recorded-talks-of-cyberplan-workshop-uploaded-to-indep-youtube-channel/

Cockshott has been posting videos less and less frequently lately. Someone should block his twitter account, he wastes too much time bickering with Zionists there.

>>2597575
he's said he's run out of ideas for videos

>>2597576
Here's a good idea: a series of videos on Das Kapital. Where the main ideas of each chapter are summarised and presented in a specifically cybernetic framework (that is, ignoring all the cultural and historic references etc, and going straight into the vectors and matrices).

>>2597577
not a bad idea. email it to him



 

How will the drop in students and workers coming from south asia and china affect american economy? Everybody knows not enough Americans study medicine to be able to fulfill the need for doctors in USA. How else will it affect usa? Could it end up being good for the global left in the long term if it leads to a chronic crisis and loss of faith in capitalism?

America has shot itself. But this is also a thing in western europe. Fewer foreign students. Fewer tourists. America asking people outside of America to provide biometric ID and several years of social media history is the final straw. Nobody has the right to call China obscenely authoritarian again.

Nothing special about Asians. The masses of Blacks and Latinos will fill the hole, and who knows, maybe even surpass the productivity of Asians.

>>2597521
This excellent news if the brain drain towards USA drops.



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PMC leftists when blue collars whine about immigrants taking their jerbs
>Why are these people so backwards and stupid? Don't they know that wages already declined even before immigration and that immigrants mostly take over jobs that nobody wants to work with in the first place?

PMC leftists when AI take their jobs:
>NO AI SLOP SLOP FUCK AI I HATE AI LYNCH AI BURN THE DATASERVERS

And no, i'm not justifying anti immigration nativism, the point against them are valid and true. But those same points apply with AI. Wages are already declining long before AI is a thing, and AI is used primarily, in the creative industry setting, for entry level jobs with low wages that nobody wants to work in. You know, like making codemonkey scripts or making fillers for game backgrounds. But its the fucking hypocrisy i can't stand: you guys can correctly see through hysteria when it affects the blue collars, but when it affects your substratum's interest, your creative art making and programming jobs, suddenly you become as insane as the most rabid nativists who think that haitians are eating cat and dogs
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>>2596202
Anon please think for a second. If porkies would've destroyed wages regardless of whether there is immigration or not, then the bourgeoisie would've cut jobs regardless of whether AI exist or not. You demonizing AI as "tools of the bourgeoisie" is no different with rightoids demonizing migrants the same way. But you have internalized in your mind that its ok to be paranoid to AI because you perceive AI to threaten your class interest the same way blue collar rightoids have internalized the belief that migrants are threatening their livelihoods, leading to them to constantly spout outlandish lies about migrants, not dissimilar to how AI skeptics constantly spout fearmongering nonsense about AI

>>2596328
And please read my reply here >>2596071. I'm not justifying blind nativism against migrants. What i hate here is the utter hypocrisy of PMC leftists fearmongering about AI while smugly lecturing blue collar workers who bought into similar hysteria vis a vis migrants. It is this overbearing PMC hypocrisy that is grating more than anything else

>>2596216
This is heavily implied. If your job can be automated then its completely wasteful to keep it just because people dont like "ai slop". Why keep an army of accountants when AI can do all of their jobs? Their labor is better used elsewhere. For artists I suggest making art for arts sake as a hobby instead of doing art for money.

>>2596058
These people haven't read Capital. AI wrecks the rate of profit in all industries and brings the impossibility of capital's continued existence closer with awe-inspiring speed. Most satisfyingly, ones that liberal culture thought would be safe for all eternity and already coped with since the 90s. But their importance in real terms is far smaller than all the scientific uses AI gets and robotics. It's hard to overstate how much use AI is getting in every single branch of science right now.
Immigrants raise the rate of profit at the expense of immigration origin societies that had to practically waste all these resources and value to create this labor power that will be used by more powerful capital now for next to no cost.
This behavior makes sense since one of the first working class movements was luddites, but it is very much counterproductive and only resulted in workers being trampled harder the first time. It has no place among materialists and the vanguard of the working class.

>>2596058
this contradiction is why the PMCs come up with all the other anti ai shit, because if they complain about ai raping wages too much they'll be in for a generational mockery from a working class full of schadenfreude



 

Doesn't the fact that CHINA has multiple STOCK exchanges, prove that its CAPITALIST? How do le elder scroll ones explain this? Even old turn of the century imperial germany was closer to socialism than modern day China.
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>>2595920
I'll do my part to establish socialism by trading stocks. Every time I make money by moving it around, the proletariat grows stronger

>>2596603
only if you are doing that as a non western person in a non western country since as we know marxism is as conservatives think, about destroying the west but actually thats a good thing

China is in phase D of capitalism as described by Engels in Anri-Duhring

>>2597447
can you summarise the phases please




 

Why is china a communist country claiming non-chinese territory as its own because it was once conquered by their imperialist predecessor?
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>>2596601
I really like this meme.

>>2596647
you can have it friend


>>2596690
point out and correct the mistakes, don't just be a smartass about it



 

something *good* is always just over the horizon. Alien disclosure is coming to earth, Hitler 2.0 rising from the ashes, Jesus descending to smite their enemies, Trump and the globohomo awakening in two weeks, mass genocide solving all their problems, or the magical day when everyone suddenly agrees with their garbage takes.

It’s all hopium for losers who can’t deal with the present. Instead of doing anything meaningful, they sit in their digital basements praying for a future that never comes. Every post is just another round of "just wait, you’ll see," while the rest of the world keeps living, laughing, and leaving them behind.

The truth? Nothing’s coming. No savior, no reckoning, no mass awakening, no shift in opinions. It’s just endless cope for people too powerless to face reality. The only thing in their future is more disappointment and deep down, they know it.
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>>2596667
Trúke

>Trump and the globohomo awakening in two weeks
The eternal two-weeks wait usually appeals to intellectually insecure rightoids, hence the chess metaphors in which it's usually couched, with the gloriously elaborate checkmating coming any day now.
Rightoids are intellectually insecure because of the liberal domination of academia and also because deep down they're embarrassed about the intellectual merits of their representatives from Dubya to Trump (it's no surprise that the two-weeks wait usually includes a lot of overcompensation about Trump's "genius" as he lays his "traps").

As opposed to the collapse of capitalism which is right around the corner and the global proletariat rising up in unison to install gay space communism?

Two more weeks

>>2596903
Oh don't worry about it, climate change is gonna send 7 billion third worlders your way by 2050 🤫

>>2596626
>The only thing in their future is more disappointment and deep down, they know it.
Have you tried shopping? It actually feels really good to buy stuff. Of course the feeling wears off and existential dread and anxiety returns in about 2-3 days but you can always go back and buy more stuff.



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