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Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine, Ukraine has good reason to resist Russian occupation but should be open to ceding territory in return for peace if possible. I do not buy that the Far-Right parties around the world that defend this invasion were actually le based prole-pilled geniuses the entire time. Prove me wrong.
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>>2815045
>just like your theory is outdate in relation to the experiences of the XXth century
You remain wrong with no proof.

>yes, state capitalism will be used to kill proless in a war, why do you think this proves your point?

Class war will also kill proletarians, this changes nothing. You act as if the proletarian class is an identity to cling to sentimentally. All obstacles to the supremacy of the proletariat must be eliminated no matter how many have to die. Here you are again demonstrating a desire for stability in the capitalist system, whining in fear of suffering, wanting stability instead of chaos so that the masses are forced to accept communism as the only solution with the breaking of all bourgeois illusions.


>good, if the European and American causes the collapse of Russia, then it means Russia can engage in revolutionary defeatism


Wrong. All communist revolutions occurred in countries that were allied with the major capitalist powers when they fell. Was there a communist revolution in the Triple Alliance? There wasn't.

Furthermore, there is no communist power currently facilitating revolutions like the Soviet Union. Russia is helping both Cuba and North Korea, therefore it is playing a progressive role. It is breaking the patent order, which is useful for communists to access alternative technologies to the American-European imperialist capitalist infrastructure, and it is fighting a puppet of finance capital that was attempted to be replicated in Brazil (where they failed) but succeeded in Ukraine. The Ukrainian communist party also depends on the collapse of the Ukrainian government.

Everything suggests there are no forces for a revolutionary situation in Russia because the opposition is under the control of finance capital, which would immediately ban communists, just as in Ukraine. As Lenin said, communists cannot be subservient to spontaneity, and as Marx and Engels said, the communist party must be independent of the bourgeoisie. However, you claim to be from Mexico and are literally advocating for the neo-Nazi puppet government of Ukraine to benefit the finance capital of the same bourgeoisie that controls Mexico. I would say you are serving capitalist imperialism by not asking your couPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2815646
Russia has literally the largest amount resources on earth, Russians could have been the richest people in the world if they had a competent democratic government instead of a fascist oligarchy that steals resources to fund wars and oligarchs vacations

>>2815642
are you asking why people pointlessly and angrily argue on the internet? I mean that's what the internet is for

>>2805001
So you admit Russia invaded Ukraine to steal it's trillion dollar minerals? and that's different from NATO how exactly? ziggers too dumb to realize their own arguments work against them
>>2807829
>Dumb zigger cries about NATO expansion and imperalism while simultaneously promotes Russian expansion and imperalism
fuck off zigger nazi, ruskyi mir is Russias Lebensraum

>>2805008
>this isn't Russia invading Ukraine
Putin was literally on live TV announcing the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Braindead zigger bots still trying to gaslight people with Kremlin talking points



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One common stereotype regarding today’s western atheists is that they are predominantly white, male, and from Christian backgrounds, and this demographic profile stands to this day based on the latest polls on the atheist community.

And as pointed out by people like Contrapoints, both the alt-right and the SJWs of the 2010s were products of the New Atheism movement, the bulk of its members being, once again, white males from Christian households.
So this begs the question: Did they leave because the churches weren’t racist enough following the adoption of the civil rights movement’s philosophy by most churches in the 1990s?

As polemical and farfetched as it sounds, I don’t necessarily think it’s improbable given the obvious demographic profile, the fact that the decline in Christianity (in America, Canada, and Australia at least) and rise of sub-cultures were heavily driven by young middle-class white people (especially white men) who left the churches, and that was back when the churches were at least nominally anti-racist following the decline of the white nationalist movement as a significant political bloc in both the north and the new south, as well as the fact that whilst elevatorgate did drive many young white atheist men into further reactionary politics (e.g., the “redpill”, incels, scientific racism, transphobia, etc…) the reactionary streak was there since the beginning as the “four horsemen” used bait-and-switch tactics in their writings to sell the message during the GWOT era: “You don’t need to be a fundamentalist Christian to support another crusade in Iraq”, as well as the universalist civilisational rhetoric. and that was long before the “horsemen” like Harris and Dawkins began to promote a particularist view of the west as it becomes clear that its hegemony is being challenged by nominally non-liberal countries like Russia and China.

There’s also the fact that Christianity in America and elsewhere in what made up old Christendom hasn’t gained any more followers outside of mass immigration as seen how churches across Europe and elsewhere in north America and Australia need to import priests to fill the roles of the clergy as white people there don’t wanna work in churches. While it can be argued that much of it is to do with how Christianity’s universalism is clashing with the increasing particularism of white people who only want Christianity if it affirms white identitarianism, that still wouldn’t support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2815421
there are black muslims and atheists they just don't make hostility to christianity a prominent aspect of their personality since they need all the allies they can get

>>2815427
>The cult of Bacchus was the only cult, apart from christianity, that the Romans persecuted.
I'm just messing with you dude I don't really care about neo-paganism.

>>2815427
i just don't think we can get a clear image of all pre christian religions from documents left to us by christians, as for documents by pagans like julian the apostate, that is one of the most powerful people in the ancient world. he is not representative of pre-christian religion, but actually representative of post-christian polytheism which was slowly being eroded by christianity, so of course by that point a lot of "paganism" existed in reaction to christianity, rather than within its own hegemonic context.

>>2815435
Fair enough, but for Rome specifically we have plenty of sources that predate christanity, even for more popular types of paganism. If anything we have a lot less on early christianity, I'd say we can have a fine enough interpretation of what religious life was like during ancient roman times.
It's still important to note that there wasn't exacly a difference between religious and political power (this was brought on by Christianity) the political leaders also took the religious roles.

>>2815426
>they are zionist petty bourgeois
Evangelicalism is 300 years old. Zionism didn't come about until the 1890s.

>so they are reactionary like i said. it doesn't matter if they're doing it to trigger the libs, who are also reactionary

Its not about triggering libs. The mainline churches and the Evangelicals have always been theological opponents and that sectarianism had a class dimension, Evangelicals were rural and marginal in America. Evangelicals opposed German Biblical criticism and liberal Protestant theology which denied things like miracles etc. they believed this was undermining Christianity and, in a sense, they were right. In the 50s and 60s, there were many Protestant and Catholic clergy who supported the sexual revolution, didn't see homosexuality as a sin and wanted it decriminalized etc. by the 70s, those same clergymen admitted that supporting it had backfired in their faces. The liberated youth didn't care about Christianity, post-Stonewall gay activists blamed it for every problem under the sun. This was all happening as popular Evangelicalism was spreading throughout America.

You had a fanatically anti-religious gay movement at the same time America's lower classes were converting to Evangelicalism in droves. Naturally, when the Evangelicals saw Christian bashing by white middle class atheist gay activists, they reacted by supporting anti-gay conservatism. It was an alliance that made sense because back then the left not only looked down on religion, they looked down on Evangelicals as especially weird and backward. The hubris of middle class white gay activists had a lot to do with it too. By being anti-Christian they encouraged a homophobic backlash. People also forget that the surge of Evangelicalism in the 70s led to gay converts and gay Evangelical groups (Ralph Blair and Evangelicals Concerned) and these people faced hostility from atheist gay activists.

>>2815429
Black atheists are a dime a dozen. Black Muslims were, and some still are, anti-Christian. Just see the stuff Malcolm X or Muhammad Ali used to say about MLK in the 60s. Sure, they've toned it down a lot for good reason. Regardless, atheism is basically a class ideolPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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I'm curious because I'm Spanish and it's a huge taboo in my country, and I can understand the Basque independence movement because they're much more advanced and wealthy than the rest of Spain. I was there a few years ago and was impressed by how clean and well-organized everything was, they industrialized earlier and had a major labor movement, and even today they're very left-leaning, while the right wing is gaining a lot of ground across the rest of the country.

That said, I think what they did was terrible, because even though I fully understand the hatred toward the Guardia Civil, they killed many civilians.
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>>2815147
> I'm Spanish
kys

while i think their methods were always dumb they made sense during francism, today bsaque nationalism is retarded and petit bourgeois

>>2815147
Justified, shame they resigned.
The Francoist regime was actively trying to destroy the Basque people, erase their language and culture, children were beaten for speaking Basque.
When the King came back, he was chosen by Franco, he tried to coup against the liberals until he backed down.
Nothing had really changed for the Basque, the Spanish funded fascist paramillitaries to again, continue the basque oppression. To this day the spanish continue to rape and torture Basque activists, see Iratxe Sorzabal

>>2815317
I think the reason some people still support them these days is because the reactionaries are butthurt over ETA, so if they hate ETA, I have to defend it type mindset

also Guardia Civil guys are all reactionary bastards, much more than the normal police

Literal CIA



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Evo Morales Claims U.S.-Backed Military Plot to Kill or Detain Him in Bolivia
Former Bolivian president Evo Morales accused the United States on Friday of planning his assassination or detention through a military operation coordinated with the government of President Rodrigo Paz, with support from the DEA and the U.S. Southern Command.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/evo-morales-claims-u-s-backed-military-plot-to-kill-or-detain-him-in-bolivia/

Argentina’s beef consumption falls to lowest level in 20 years as prices soar
As of April 2026, annual per capita beef consumption fell to 44.5 kilograms (98 pounds), down from 49.5 kilograms (109 pounds) during the same month a year earlier, according to the Agricultural Foundation for Argentina’s Development. In 2006, it was 63.4 kilos (139 pounds) per person. “People are switching to cheaper proteins. They’re eating pork, they’re eating chicken,” said García.
https://apnews.com/article/argentina-milei-trump-beef-chicken-inflation-pork-tariffs-be59d1a78d7983566248712a74866b14

Brazil: One Thousand Peasant Families Resist the Police Siege during Land Occupation
On the 1st of May, one thousand peasant families occupied land in Pará in order to pressure the government into ceding the land to them and guaranteeing their right to said land. The Landless Workers’ Movement (MST) denounced that the occupation triggered a siege from police, big landlords and goons. The siege lasted 48 hours, and blocked the access to the land, preventing the entry of water and food until May 3.
https://redherald.org/2026/05/16/brazil-one-thousand-peasant-families-resist-the-police-siege-during-land-occupation/

UK ministers accused of weakening legal protections for torture victims
Keir Starmer’s government has been accused of trying to water down legal protections for torture victims as ministers fromPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2814974
Greetings secret service uyghurs.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Wj3GEuwoNWc

You will need to upgrade your secret service shields.

North America’s largest commuter rail system shuts down as workers strike
The unions and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the public agency that runs the railroad, have been negotiating for months on a new contract, with talks stalled over the question of workers’ salaries and healthcare premiums. President Donald Trump’s administration tried to broker a deal, but the unions were legally allowed to strike starting at 12:01 a.m. Kevin Sexton, national vice president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, said no new negotiations have been scheduled. “We’re far apart at this point,” Sexton said early Saturday. “We are truly sorry that we are in this situation.”
https://apnews.com/article/lirr-new-york-commuter-rail-strike-union-a9b20b5de53a944c9da4263d289a845f

US Postmaster General floats ending six-days-a-week mail delivery, closing most local post offices
Steiner’s opening report to the meeting called on Congress “to remove the mandates that ensure the Postal Service loses money: For example, days and levels of service, the ability to close unprofitable offices, and the underpricing of First-Class Mail. If we had flexibility on those three main issues, we could go a long way towards becoming profitable, but the American public would see reduced levels of service and higher rates.” This amounts to the abolition of USPS as a public service, converting it openly into a for-profit model and setting the stage for its privatization. More than 70 percent of local post offices are unprofitable, according to USPS’ own estimates. Combined with cuts to “days and levels” of delivery service, this would lead broad swathes of the country, especially rural areas, without reliable access to mail.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/05/15/ouau-m15.html

New Virginia law banning `assault firearms’ prompts quick lawsuits from gun-rights groups
The limits on “ assault firearms,” as they are described by the legislation, are among two dozen new restrictions and regulations on guns enacted by the Democratic governor in her first few months in office. That marks a sharp policy reversPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Why Capitalism’s Origins Matter: Review of Mother of Capital: How Rent Gave Birth to Modernity by Matthew Costa (Pluto Press, 2025)
How did the medieval world give birth to our modern system of capitalist accumulation and competition? A new book by Matthew Costa, a Marxist historian and mandarin at New South Wales’s treasury, offers a compelling answer and synthesizes a vast body of writing on this topic. Mother of Capital: How Rent Gave Birth to Modernity provides an engaging account of the transition from feudalism to capitalism, a subject that has been debated among historians and economists for centuries.
https://jacobin.com/2026/05/review-costa-transition-feudalism-capitalism

Labour and the myth of the twin extremes
AS LABOUR turns its eyes to Andy Burnham as a possible saviour, rival demonstrations in London underline the depth of Britain’s political crisis. The far-right — once again absurdly misnamed — “unite the kingdom” rally called by Tommy Robinson embodies a threat most Labour MPs have woken up to. Reform’s sweeping wins at the May 7 local elections have precipitated a full-on political crisis. Though a “Burnham bounce” based largely on popular loathing for Keir Starmer, whose exit now seems tied to the Manchester mayor’s availability to replace him, suggest Labour would be favourites to win a Makerfield by-election should Burnham indeed be the candidate, even he is only narrowly ahead of Reform. A Reform win is a plausible outcome and would leave Labour with even fewer options than it has right now, besides reasserting the rise of intolerant nationalism as the dominant theme in British politics. Robinson has chosen his demo date not to unite the kingdom of course but to maximise divisions by facing off against the annual Nakba demonstration, commemorating the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during the establishment of the state of Israel and demanding the UN-recognised right of return denied them and their descendants ever since.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-and-myth-twin-extremes

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Gonna make a new thread because no one is replying and this is a serious question I have been thinking about for years.

>>2731700
>>2731683
>>2731689
>God all these countries suck so fucking much at psy-ops. China, Russia, Iran. Look at their propaganda outlets directed at the US and HOW FUCKING SHIT THEY ARE! RT, CGTN, PressTV.ir SUCK SO MUCH ASS!

<CGTN has had on FUCKING HAZ FROM INFRARED!

<PressTV.ir has had on as a regular FUCKING <JASON UNRUHE!
RT has had FUCKING CALEB MAUPIN as a regular correspondent!

>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows. How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.
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>>2797349
>the de facto recognised Communist Party in the US
by whom?


>>2797349
Russia and China

>>2815373
The FBI and CIA master plan of working with Russia, Iran, China and Yemen

>>2797349
PSL and other "woke" groups are tied to a Chinese linked porkie. So it's all complicated. I assume that they're hedging their bets and playing both sides.

I don't understand USAian rural culture. But I'm not against rural pandering. I feel like they could do better than Haz but whatever.



 

What were the class dynamics behind the rise of fascism in Europe?

A while ago I read The Persistence Of The Old regime by Arno Mayer (I wrote a short summary here >>>/edu/25554). It can be summarized as follows:
<"Down to 1914 Europe was preeminently pre-industrial and prebourgeois. Its civil societies being deeply rooted in economies of labor-intensive agriculture, consumer manufacture and petty commerce."
>Mayer goes on to show that economically, politically and culturally the now post-feudal ancien regime was still dominant. The grande bourgeoisie did not yet exist as a class for itself. Its new industrial economic base was grafted onto the old, but still dominant, agricultural one, the latter of which the nobility held in their hands through their vast land ownership.
Mayer asserts in Why Did The Heavens Not Darken, his book on the Judeocide, that Germany was "very much still an old regime" even after the revolution that ended the Wilhelmine autocracy. The same was true for much of Eastern Europe, hence why there too there was an aristocratic propensity towards empowering fascists as to use their popular base for the former's continued survival.

Right now I'm reading Hitler And The Peasants by Gustavo Corni and he too mentions the continued, but waning, supremacy that large landowners enjoyed on the countryside:
>[…] until 1940-5 the cast of large landowners in the east (aristocratic or otherwise) continued to exercise a hegemonic role from a social and politico-cultural point of view, rather than from an economic one.
Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, himself an arch-Junker, and entered into a coalition with the traditional conservatives of the DNVP. The latter were only willing to do so after losing many (countryside) votes to the NSDAP because they failed to copy their "popular" conservatism.

Corni notes on Nazi agricultural ideology:
>The vital role of the state, the preservation of the landed estates for strategic purposes, and imperialist expansion (which was much more a response to the deeply rooted demands of the Junkertum than a move in the interests of the peasants) — these were all muted notes in the 'leitmotif' which ran through [Nazi agricultural ideologist Richard Walter] Darré's idePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2814206
Idk compare with Trump. Trump was shit but relatively harmless until his second term when he got the support of the bourgeois tech sector behind him. Trump's base of family business and land/resource owners (oil, coal, etc..) just couldn't come up with a real strategy for change. Trump was a reactionary in his first term. Trump is a fascist in his second term with big tech backing him.

It's the same with historical fascism. The aristocracy and the artisans could never unify around their own political project. It's only when the steel mill ran into a crisis of over-accumulation that these reactionaries could really be weaponized.

>>2814182
>That's bs tbh. The bourgeoisie and capitalism thrived here in the Free & Hanse cities since medieval times, feudalism and aristocracy was a rural thing. The cities were in fact politically ruled by the bourgeois already.
I don't quite see how the mercantile elites of back in the day are relevant to what I am discussing here, so feel free to explain. The post-feudal nobility of the early 20th century still dominated society with a strong economic base in the countryside and almost total control over politics, especially in those countries that were semi-absolutist like Wilhelmine Germany. They continually made decisions in favor of agriculture over industry and commerce, which is why there was so much protectionism at this time. As you also mention, they enjoyed an immense amount of prestige that made the Bourgeoisie long for their approval and acceptance. You also mention the military, whose officer class was still permeated with sons of the nobility and their values even after 1918/19. (If this sounds interesting to you you should read the book, which I obviously can't do justice in a short post like this)

>However there is no doubt the bourgeois bankers, industry bosses (+associations), media oligarchs and liberal associates in the Reichstag were the main driving force behind fascism 100 years ago.

See, that's what I believed as well, but with these recent books I feel like the nobility played a big role as well that is not often talked about. A big role which could even be that of a prime instigator amongst the elites.

>>2814385
A medieval HRE city and urban society was legally subject to the emperor, however not subject to feudal lords, kings etc. Like for example any urban bourgeois with financial means to do so could recruit a band of Landsknechts and start a proper war against some random rural feudal Junker or other aristocrat of whatever noble rank (not just in theory, such feuds actually took place and could prolong over a long time). What's more, serfs from the feudal countryside might run from their lords, move to a city and become free men if they managed to get a job (i.e. join the proletariat) and accomodation and the former lord could do nothing against it. The cities were ruled by councils which consisted of elected bourgeois guild bosses who would either inherit their position from their family or bought political influence with money. In medieval times the proletariat existed already inside the free cities as free wage workers, however proletarians were not allowed to take part in bourgeois elections, politics was strictly for rich people. This was called "Ständestaat" and it is what our current German rightoids mean when they say "we want to go back to the "good old times", fuck the modern world". As city population grew, manufacturing processes diversified, technology and automation developed and urban societies networked globally the bourgeois guild bosses and merchants became the modern capitalists, amassed more private property and financial wealth than aristocrats (resulting in aristocrats becoming dependent on the richest bourgeois oligarchs to obtain loans for their wars and purchases of the latest representative luxury items) while the situation of the proletariat gradually became worse and worse, which was particularly evident in the form of big slum districts in the cities (like, half of Hamburg used to be a slum of the worst kind) but also in the founding of the predecessors of the unions and first unions, secret worker's societies, in the founding of the first communist party and eventually violent worker's uprisings against the bourgeoisie. Why is this relevant? Well, because the author says that Germany was a monolithic feudal society with dominant feudal entities executing absolute political power well into the 20th century, which is simply wrong: The junkers, barons, dukes etc. and the clergy only ever ruled the countryside, their power Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2814232
>Trump was a reactionary in his first term. Trump is a fascist in his second term with big tech backing him.
wtf are u talkin about, Jesse

>>2814569
Thank you for the write up, that clears up why you mentioned that.

>because the author says that Germany was a monolithic feudal society with dominant feudal entities executing absolute political power well into the 20th century, which is simply wrong: The junkers, barons, dukes etc. and the clergy only ever ruled the countryside, their power in the cities was always very limited to non-existent and from the renaissance onwards to the enlightment age they gradually lost their power grip over the the countryside too as industrialization rapidly increased and the capitalist mode of production spread to rural areas as well

And yet this post-feudal nobility still retained a lot of power. 40% of the population of Germany still worked the land as late as 1907, compared to 30% in industry and manufacture. 40% of the population lived in the countryside in towns and villages not exceeding 10.000 inhabitants. The nobility were first amongst the major land owners in Germany (and in the other countries that the text concerns itself with) and exercised a huge amount of influence in associations in the countryside, which from what I can tell from the book by Corni lasted until Darré and the Nazis as a whole completely outmanoeuvred them. Even after the Nazi takeover they managed to continue cushioning their fall from relevance by influencing policy (for example, completely side-stepping any kind of land reform).

90% of firms in manufacturing and industry were small family owned businesses employing no more than 5 workers and over half the sector worked in firms not exceeding 50 workers. Most of these firms were characterized by artisanal labor. In retail and commerce most firms were also tiny with department stores only accounting for a small percentage of revenue in the sector.

Mayer's whole point is that this old economy, if you will, was not an irrelevant vestige of a time long gone waiting to be washed away once and for all by modern industrial firms, but rather that this was the still extremely relevant social base from which the old elite drew its tremendous, but terminally declining, economic and especially political and cultural power. He emphasizes Europe's dual character (modern and pre-modern), which was the source of the general crisis of the early TwentiethPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Russia's SMO is completely and totally justified
>NATO plans to balkanize Russia, hence why they refused to accept Russia's overtures to the West. They don't want Russia integrated into the West, they want to exploit it
>Russia must do whatever it takes to prevent eastward NATO expansion in order to protect itself from balkanization
>Ukraine is a Nazi country that commits genocide against its Russian minorities and Russia needed to save them
>Russia played nice for many years while NATO funneled weapons into Ukraine to prepare for an eventual invasion of the Donbas
>NATO also intended to funnel weapons to extremist Nazis in Russia through Uktaine in order to overthrow the government
>Euromaidan was a coup backed by the West and executed by Nazis, which is why Poroshenko immediately took out IMF loans and let the West exploit the country as much as it wanted
>The West started the conflict with Euromaidan by turning Ukraine from a neutral buffer state into a nation aligned with the West, thereby beginning the power struggle
>The consequences of not doing the SMO vastly outweight the deaths that have resulted from the fighting, which Ukraine started anyway
>Russia wants to protect Ukraine and protect itself, the West wants to turn it into a colony to be exploited
>The SMO is to protect Russia, protect Ukraine and protect the victims of NATO imperialism around the world by weakening the West
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>>2814486
>Anti-imperialist state
>Russia entire history it has been imperialist

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>>2814486
>an imperalist state where 80% of its territory are made of annexed colonies is anti-imperalist

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>>2814453
>stealing land
<ehm ok, based?

>>2814219
Notice how nobody has put up a good argument against this

>>2815301
Ziggers are more nazi than Ukrainians and NATO is justified for denazifying and deputinizing Russia and saving regular Russians from their totalitarian genocidal fascist regime



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2813032
You can have ballot secrecy but only for non-delegated votes. Delegatees have a higher responsibility and sacrifice their privacy. If you want privacy you can take it back at any moment through an individual vote.

>>2814605
yes a hybrid system could work. but there's another important factor: cost. how often could we feasibly hold secret votes on things? once per year? one per month?

How to deal with gluts and shortages? The obvious way is via price adjustments (also my fav because I'm a bore), but some people propose enacting per-head limits or a combination of mechanisms. Each mechanism is also a measurement of sorts. When just one mechanism is used, how intensely the mechanism is used is also a general measure for the size of this or that glut or shortage, so one can make comparisons across the economy and this helps with prioritizing. But how to estimate excess demand for two products while for one product the price is raised and for the other a per-person limit is applied?

It is possible to use a combination of mechanisms to deal with supply-demand mismatches and still have a measure of the intensity of these mismatches for the whole economy if and only if these mechanisms are arranged into a rigid hierarchy. For an example of how this can be done, take a look at the following monstrosity.

This requires that people do not use cash, but a system of electronic accounts tied to the individual which makes possible to have individualized rewards and punishments. People living together can opt into linking their accounts to a simple algorithm that automatically gives them the result they would get when coordinating perfectly their purchase behavior to maximize the rewards and minimize the punishments and swapping items between them. (This is not the same as a shared budget account as the individual budgets remain firmly in the hands of the individuals.)

The hierarchy distinguishes between 11 cases, these being 5 levels of glut + 5 levels of shortage + the normal case with the normal price.

GLUT LEVEL 1: The price is still the normal price, but payment of ½ the price is deferred to 30 days later without interest charge.

GLUT LEVEL 2: Same as level 1, but there is also a rebate offer for one extra unit per person bought within 3 days of the first unit of just paying ½ the normal price without having to pay the second half later. (This is also applied retroactively.)

GLUT LEVEL 3: Now the price is set to ½ the normal price in general and not just as a rebate. (The rebate effect is not stacked on top of that. Deferred debt from the product obtained at glut level 1 is deleted.)

GLUT LEVEL 4: Price set to 0.
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>>2814920
>SHORTAGE LEVEL 5: Production canceled.
wut, shouldn't you increase production instead? by say investing in MoPs

>>2815223
yeah but why would you stop production when demand is non-zero?



 

>first October 7 - Israel's 9/11 sequel
>then the Houthis attack the Galaxy Leader and kidnap 25 people
>then the Houthis kill 3 US servicemembers in a drone strike in Jordan
>then the 12 day war
>then two US Navy SEALs drown in the Arabian Sea trying to seize Iranian supplies going to the Houthis
>now the 2026 Iran War that resulted in the US not achieving any of its day 1 objectives, instead getting stuck in an expensive war as Iran unleashes hell on US military bases across the middle east with intelligence provided by Russia, the Strait of Hormuz is blocked still, other countries are getting involved (like France) and Israel is running out of soldiers from the Gaza War that depleted them severely, including inflicting heavy losses on their Merkava tanks
>now Israel wants to seize Southern Lebanon, but Hezbollah is waging a drone war and stormed Israeli military bases in Northern Israel (including drone striking Bibi Netanyahu's house a couple years back)
Did Hamas just pull a 9/11 on Israel? First a terror attack followed by a war that Israel can't win. Just like when Al-Qaeda attacked the United States in 2001 and got us into two wars that we lost (Iraq and Afghanistan). This Iran war is extremely unpopular at home. All the signs are there. Israel is losing support in the US. While Israel relies mostly on Azeri oil rather than Gulf oil like the US and thus the Strait of Hormuz getting blocked mostly doesn't affect them, just remember that Turkey can block that oil off if they really wanted to. Now famines are gonna hit due to shortages in gas and fertilizer in poor countries, and Tel Aviv lie in ruins from constant Iranian missiles. Israel's reserves are worn out and suffered heavy losses in the Gaza war (400 dead IDF I think after October 7 where 1,200 or 1,300 were killed by a vastly weaker opponent) they can't fight 4 wars at once. They won Syria after the FSA took over. But will Israel survive this? Haredis don't want to fight and many people are leaving Israel because they're tired of living underground in bomb shelters constantly.
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>>2810257
there's gonna be a lot of cope here when the arab states begin normalising relations with israel again
while the wars still going

>>2810965
as the isolation of becoming a pariah state sets in the best and brightest citizens will leave the country when the opportunity arises. It will be a population fascist supremacist thugs and inbred haredi moochers.

>>2814934
the more that happens the more the IDF keeps getting kited into asymetric skirmishing which is disasterous for them. they also fail at missile defense. time is not on their side really. the thing about the zionazis is that they aren't esactly clever just very well sponsored and that could turn on a fucking dime.

>>2813881
it's going to be harder to normalize relationships with israel if the US gets the fuck out of the middle east lol

>>2815289 (me)
which btw they just did, they haven't returned to their bases in the gulf



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>>2812193
Stabil.

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Rechtsradikales Land

>>2814872
Wenn man ewigen Schuldkult betreibt, darf man sich über Israelbücklinghaftigkeit nicht wundern. Geliefert, wie bestellt.

>>2815038
Und warum macht deine blaue Dullipartei nebst ihren ganzen europäischen und amerikanischen Deppenpendants ohne Schuldkult zu betreiben Bückling vor Israel (um das Mindeste zu sagen)?
Einfach mal die Fresse halten, /pol/.

>>2815089
OMG, wer ist sie? 😍💦🍆



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