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 No.1694033[Reply]

I've noticed that with people who have false consciousness they often think in terms of "income levels" and "wealth inequality" rather than in terms of relationship to the means of production. For example, they'll see a single digit millionaire petit bourgeoisie and a worker as having more in common with each other than a multi-billionaire and single-digit-millionaire have in common with each other. Because they see the wide numerical gap between a multi-billionaire and a single-digit-millionaire and they perceive this as having greater importance than relationship to the means of production. They are pathologically unable to think in terms of how a person makes their income, and they are only able to think in terms of how much a person makes. They are unable to see that there is a certain point after which it doesn't matter how much money you have, it only matters that you no longer need to work for it. That you can earn it passively through profiting off of the surplus value of the labor of others, either directly through capitalist production, or indirectly through financial speculation and usury. People seem unable to think abstractly. This is how you get petit-bourgeois reactionaries who think they are the true face of the common people. Small business owners and cops and church pastors seeing themselves as rebels against the woke globalist corporations. And reactionary proles/lumpen joining them because they have the same brain worms.
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>>1694948
>I make money of speculation. It's random, but in the age of financialization and deregulation, I was lucky enough to be at the the right moment in the right place. I dont have a job.
Where did you get the money you speculate with? Inheritance?
> I pay rent but I also get paid a rent.
My landlord also does this. Nested parasitism.
>Does that make me a petit bourg?
Yes. But Engels was bourgeois and Marx would have been bourgeois if his parents didn't disown him, so I wouldn't really put too much stock (haha) in whether your class make you a "bad" person or not. Castro was the son of a plantation owner.
>I dont exploit anyone (or so I see it).
to hold shares in speculative financial assets which appreciate in value is to hold a share of ownership in private property. That private property appreciates in value because of the appropriated surplus value of labor. So you do exploit labor, just in an incredibly indirect, depersonalized and abstract way.
>What I do is pretty much playing poker and so far winning (perhaps until I dont).
Yes you are gambling, that's true. I think it's interesting that when poor people gamble they're treated as imbeciles engaging in debauchery but when rich people trade in speculative financial assets they're "creating jobs" and "taking on risk." When poor people work they're "fulfilling their obligations to their employer." When rich people appropriate the surplus value of their employees they're being "innovative mavericks." When you read historical records of walls and monuments being built, they always attribute it to the monarch, simply because he commanded the labor. The sovereign gets credit as an individual for what the collective workers do, but when an individual worker at the bottom of the totem pole does something wrong, his whole squad gets collectively punished.
>I hate this system, billionaires and the fact that my skills (STEM with MSc) are not used at all simply cause I cant find a job (tbf, I dont want to learn the bullshit answer for the bullshit questions they make, so I just dont get hired) or because they actually pay shit to work. I get more by not working and by being a speculator.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>1694965
so they're the cops of the workplace, technically proletarian in their relationship to the means of production, but class traitors due to the function of their jobs.

 No.1695005

>>1694033
>no longer need to work for it
NEETs in the first world don't need to work and still get welfare worth 10 times that of a third world salary
Are NEETs petit bourg?

 No.1695011

>>1695005
>NEETs in the first world don't need to work and still get welfare
you clearly don't understand how welfare works. Welfare/unemployment requires you to constantly jump through bureaucratic hoops, prove you're looking for a job, etc. I've never been on welfare but the process is so miserable I'd much rather just have a job where I clock in. There's constant means testing. And it runs out. And no it's not "10 times a third world salary." Especially not in terms of purchasing power parity. It's basically below subsistence.

 No.1695021

>>1694965
>The pmc are grouped with the bourgeoisie because that's where their class interests fall.
not necessarily and we already have labor aristocrat for that. the primary contradiction between a labor aristocrat and a prole is that one is overcompensated and they can only exist like that as a part of imperialism. the problem is calling them pmc because not all professional managers are overcompensated but all labor aristocrats are.

>>1694033
petit-bourgeois still have to work themselves which is why they are petit and not haut. they are also downwardly mobile as a class in advanced capitalism. as capitalism develops into monopoly and the means of production consolidate into fewer hands this pushes the petit-bourgeois into the working class so their orientation can vary a lot more by individual.


 No.1575628[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last month big news came from Niger. The military announced it had seized power and arrested the ProFrench President Mohamed Bazoum. The Constitution has been suspended and power transferred to a military junta. This was caused by increased unrest in the country, caused by the failure of the government to fight the ISIS insurgency and the endemic poverty that has gripped the country since independence from France.
Many nigeriens rightfully resent French neocolonialism over the country, especially since 2022 when huge amounts of French soldiers established bases in the country after they were kicked out of neighbouring Mali by a proRussia military junta.
After the coup was announced today, hundreds of procoup civilians came out in the center of the capital, waving flags of Russia and Wagner PMC and chanting antiFrench slogans. This seems to be signaling that Niger might be joining their neighbours Mali and Burkina Faso, who broke free of French control and established alliances with Russia after their French puppet governments were overthrown by military juntas.
Indeed, Mali recently removed French as an official language, demoting it to a "working language", while promoting only local languages to the official status. Like in Mali and Burkina Faso, this coup in Niger was followed by harsh western condemnation, and if the junta doesnt cave in to western demands, sanctions might soon follow like in Mali and Burkina Faso.
This is especially a problem for France, since Niger supplies up to 35% of its uranium. If Niger takes control of its natural resources like uranium, this could spell big trouble for French nuclear energy.

Previous thread >>1549685
Archives of previous thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20230821113934/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/1549685.html
https://archive.is/Jl6tP
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>>1685233
>Traoré saw what happened to Sankara, he has to learn from that, I believe he's just going at it more slowly, he has to finish the war and make sure his governement is loyal before making large steps toward socialism, they already was an attempted coup in september, He can't take too much risks, if he secures his position, internally and internationally, then he'll start true steps towards socialism
Yea, I agree that finishing the war and giving BK territorial security would be a very good thing that would go along way adding much legitimacy, i think Traoré is likely to take a step down below the civilian leadership eventually, and sooner rather than later, which is exactly why he brought Tambèla in from the beginning rather than later. It seems also that any step is a risk, BK - and many regional states - face a tightrope blindfolded, truely.

Here is an interesting article btw from last week:
>The unions want to deceive the Burkinabè population, assures the Prime Minister

Ouagadougou , November 6, 2023 (AIB) - Burkinabè Prime Minister Me Apollinaire Kyelem de Tambèla condemned on Monday the attitude of the unions who were absent during certain heroic struggles but who woke up suddenly to deceive the population with pseudo-revolutionary language.

“For a long time, in our countries, the only organized forces were the army and the unions. The enemies of the Transition therefore relied on elements of the army who believed themselves untouchable, due to their rank and function, to foment a most reactionary coup d'état. The time will come when all this will be clarified,” said Burkina Faso Prime Minister Apollinaire Kyelem de Tambèla.
The head of the Burkinabe executive spoke Monday morning during the rise of colors within his institution.

“The coup d'état having failed, it was then that the union nomenklatura suddenly entered the dance, with pseudo-revolutionary language to better mislead the populations,” he added.

Me Apollinaire Kyelem from Tambèla criticizes the unions in particular for not having supported the government decision to deduct 1% of salaries to finance the war effort.
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 No.1685939

>>1684406
la flamme talked about it

>French imperialism is the cork that needs to be popped!
>Kidal has fallen. The Malian army has taken control. The plans and devices of the imperialist powers, particularly France, to keep Mali on its knees and partition its territory have been shattered. It took a bold move to drive Barkhane, Takuba and Minusma out of Mali, but also Sabre out of Burkina and Barkhane out of Niger, to clear the way for the total liberation of the country from terrorist groups.
>The fall of Kidal shows and confirms to the peoples of Africa's former French colonies that, if they are to embark on a genuine process of self-fulfilment, French imperialism is the stopper that must be jumped if they are to move forward.
>For the people of Benin, it's confirmation of a lesson: we need to bind all our forces to drive out of our country the French troops that Patrice Talon is installing on our territory, and that the other pawns, Boni Yayi and Eric Houndété, are protecting by their silence.


>𝐎𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐏𝐞𝐮𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐝𝐞 𝐥'𝐀𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐪𝐮𝐞 𝐝𝐞 𝐥'𝐎𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭 (𝐎𝐏𝐀𝐎)

>Speech to the people of west Africa
>On the occasion of the taking of Kidal by Mali Armed Forces

>After Dien Bien Phu
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>>1685939
>On November 14, 2023, Mali's Head of State Colonel Assimi Goïta made this solemn announcement: "My dear compatriots…Today, our armed and security forces have seized Kidal. Our mission is not yet complete; I would remind you that it consists of recovering and securing the integrity of the territory without any exclusions, in accordance with the Resolutions of the Security Council."
>This news was greeted with relief in Mali and throughout Africa. If it is not the epilogue of a story, the capture of Kidal constitutes a crucial turning point in the struggle of African peoples against French imperialist domination. To grasp its significance and scope, we need to start from the origins of what brought about the crisis that Mali and the whole West African region has been going through since 2012.

>1- It all began with the overthrow and assassination of Colonel Gaddafi on October 20, 2011, by the coalition of the USA, the UK and Sarkozy's France, under the cover of a UN resolution that they were known to support. Apart from a few special unit forces and the commando sent in on the ground to kill the colonel, most of the fighting was aerial bombardment. Fearing fighting on the ground and the loss of human life that this could cause, Colonel Gaddafi's assassins made a deal with elements of his Praetorian Guard, made up of Tuaregs from the Sahel: they would avoid fighting the aggression troops in exchange for a promise to withdraw to the Sahel with all their military equipment, so that France could help them create a state in northern Mali.

>2- Indeed, with this promise, France is reviving one of its long-held dreams of creating a Sahelian state that would enable it to control all the mineral wealth in this region straddling Algeria, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso. So, after their return to Mali, the MNLA (Mouvement de Libération de l'AZAWAD) rebels seized Kidal on March 30, 2012, driving out the Malian army. On April 6, 2012, the State of AZAWAD was proclaimed, not in the Sahel, but before the French National Assembly in Paris. The rebels quickly took Gao and Timbuktu, which they considered to belong to AZAWAD.

>3- Faced with this situation, the Malian government asked France, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1694959

>>1576678
Everything I’ve seen from this guy seems pretty fucking based

 No.1694974

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>>1676344
KEEEEEEK the DPRK as an isolated embargoed small country has done more for the third world in the past two decade than china, the second largest economy of the world, has ever done in its entire history


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 No.1688753[Reply]

White people quickly became the overwhelming majority in North America and Australia. This enabled them to crush the Indigenous resistance. The Zionists are not that lucky. https://www.timesofisrael.com/jews-now-a-minority-in-israel-and-the-territories-demographer-says/
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 No.1689773

>>1688780 Is demographics a good enough explanation by itself?

 No.1689783

>>1689773
I don't think demographics is everything certainly. Aristocrats managed to rule over the entire feudal world for centuries despite them being the absolute minority of their respective societies.
In the case of Israel, it's not so much the fact that there are more Palestinians than settlers but more about the fact that most Palestinians are concentrated in cramped urban settlements, that allowed for effective political mobilization without being hindered by traditional societal structures like Arab Tribalism for example

 No.1689909

>>1688780
>not posting the vid

 No.1689916

>>1689773
He basically boils it down to 3 things:
<Demographics
Sheer numbers count for a lot when the aim is to replace a population.
<Productive Forces
Being able to produce more per man-hour is strategically very important in war and peace.
<Development of social relations
Being able to organize and administer large states is key to success in colonialism, or in mounting resistance to colonizers.

It's specifically the gaps between colonizer and colonized that Cockshott considers the key. He concludes that you need a major advantage in all 3 areas to succeed.

Obviously he can't cover everything in a ~20 minute video, so there are things he leaves out things like the Americas and Australia lacking disease immunity, but that ultimately falls under demographics anyway since its primary effect is to cause a population drop.

 No.1694956

>>1689909
>Korea
Was Korea really a settler colonial project in the traditional sense? Maybe I’m just undereducated but it seems more like a failed cultural genocide/forced assimilation than a settler state


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 No.1468946[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hilo latino flacos, tratemos de mantenerlo mas activo que el hilo pasado. Ameribros as always we allow you to speak english, we are not Ukrainian fascists.

Para luego buscarlo en el catálogo:
Latinoamérica, Latin America, LATAM, /lat/, latinoamérica, latino américa, hispanoamerica, /ñ/
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 No.1694398

https://www.telesurtv.net/news/referendo-consultivo-guayana-esequiba-venezuela-20231203-0004.html
¿alguien tiene algún boca de urna? ¿cómo viene la mano?

 No.1694491

>>1694398
https://www.bloomberglinea.com/latinoamerica/venezuela/simulacro-esequibo-estos-fueron-los-resultados-del-ejercicio-previo-al-referendo/
>La firma Datanálisis dijo de manera reciente que la decisión de participar se encuentra dividida entre los venezolanos. “El 40% dice que va a votar, el otro 40% dice que no, y el 20% dice que no sabe”, comentó José Gil Yépez, director de la encuestadora en una entrevista radial esta semana.
>Por su parte, la compañía Dataviva dijo que una de sus encuesta señala una intención de voto de 68,88%, mientras que el 31,12% de los consultados dijo no querer participar.
>De acuerdo a datos del CNE, unos 20’694.124 electores inscritos en Venezuela podrán participar en el referendo consultivo.
Jodidos esos de Bloomberg, no dejan copiar asi nomas de su web.

 No.1694751

>La Venezuela de Maduro, una inspiración para Milei
https://archive.is/nr6Nt

>Ante la disputa entre Venezuela y Guyana por el Esequibo y el referéndum llamado por Maduro
https://archive.is/1EVTr

la pyme electoral haciendo de las suyas

 No.1694792

México tendrá elecciones pronto y uno de los candidatos tiene un escándalo 🤡 payaso 🤡 en el estado donde es gobernador, Nuevo León. Como es de costumbre para todos los gobernadores que dejan su gobernatura para lanzarse de candidatos a la presidencia.

Throwback a las elecciones anteriores cuando El Bronco propuso introducir Ley Sharía en México para cortarle las manos a los ladrones. Mashallah, el estado de Nuevo León produce los mejores rancheros payasos libertarios. Así lo quiso Dios.

 No.1694803

>>1694792 (yoplait)
Pinche nuevo león. Donal Trom por favor sálvanos tirando bombas en el estado.


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 No.1694435[Reply]

What happens if most of western europe elects "far-right" presidents? Will they deport brown people? Will they kill sea people on sight? Will they break Atlanticism or strenghten it?
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 No.1694719

>>1694693
> they are never getting citizenship
Most of the time people are not looking for citizenship, but a decent pay to be able to take home and buy property or a parcel of land and so on.
A good prominant example in the media ATM is also Thai workers in the zionist entity.

 No.1694720

Reported for entryism

 No.1694752

>>1694660
lol didn't you see Poland shunting migrants back across the border with Belarus?

 No.1694754

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whatever this shit is

 No.1695385

It will be bad for refugees and migrants for sure but other than that no real effect on the world, Europe is a literal WHO continent at this point with no relevance on world affairs of note. And I say that as a European


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 No.1689999[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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PALESTINE SHALL BE FREE

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 No.1694992

Threads full

 No.1694994

Palestinian patients arrive in Tunisia for care

A flight carrying 29 wounded Palestinians has landed at Tunisia’s Carthage Pilgrim’s airport, according to Tunisia’s TAP news agency.

They are among at least 389 wounded Palestinians who have been able to leave Gaza through the Rafah crossing since November 1 as Gaza’s besieged hospitals have largely collapsed while caring for countless injured and sick patients.

Yemen’s Houthis trying to distract Israel in Red Sea: Analyst

With attacks being carried out against civilian vessels plying the Red Sea, Yemen’s powerful rebel group, the Houthis, are “demonstrating solidarity with the Palestinians in Gaza”, according to Nabeel Khoury, a former US diplomat and deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Yemen.

“They are trying to play a part in what is known as the axis of resistance” in the region, Khoury told Al Jazeera.

“What Hezbollah is doing along the Lebanese border, engaging the Israelis and diverting some of the Israeli resources…the Houthis are trying to do that same thing by distracting the Israelis and causing the Israelis to devote some deployments to the Red Sea,” he added.

While the Houthi action “may be limited”, it still reverberates around the world as the Red Sea sees a bulk of oil and natural gas shipments going through it, and any disruption creates an impact on the world market, Khoury said.
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>>1694780
they demolished an entire base already

 No.1695023

Three soldiers killed in Gaza: Israeli army

The Israeli military said the three soldiers were killed in the besieged enclave during fighting on Sunday.

They were identified as:

>Sgt Maj Neriya Shaer, a 36-year-old reservist from Yavne, belonging to the Battalion 6655 in the 55th Brigade, who was killed in central Gaza.
<Sgt First Class Ben Zussman, a 22-year-old reservist from Jerusalem, belonging to the 601st Battallion of the 401st Brigade of the Combat Engineering Corps, who was killed in northern Gaza.
>Sgt Binyamin Yehoshua Needham, 19, from Zichron Ya’akov, also from the 601st Battalion of the 401st Brigade of the Combat Engineering Corps, who was also killed in northern Gaza.

More on the Israeli raids across occupied West Bank

According to the Wafa news agency, Israeli forces made more arrests following the storming of several areas across the West Bank, including:

>Jenin
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 No.1695060

Israel orders Palestinian to demolish own house near occupied East Jerusalem

A Palestinian man was ordered by Israeli forces to demolish his own house near occupied East Jerusalem, Palestinian news agency Wafa reported.

Ayman Awad, a resident of Sur Baher, southeast of Jerusalem, lost the home on Sunday. Locals say Israeli authorities gave him an ultimatum to either tear down his home or have the Israeli municipality demolish it.

Wafa reported that he was told he would have to pay steep fees if he chose the latter option.

Palestinians in East Jerusalem are often threatened with home demolition by Israel, accusing them of unauthorised building. This year, Israeli authorities have demolished more than 600 homes in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem under this pretext, according to rights organisation B’tselem.


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 No.1690886[Reply]

in America, recent polls are showing that teens tend to be more left-wing than all the generations that came before them. Owning a house and retiring in America is nothing but a dream at this point, and people seem to be more stressed out and over-worked than ever, while capitalists keep finding new ways to exploit the people.

With these conditions, and the election coming closer. could a communist revolution possibly happen soon? Could it happen sometime in the near future? And how would it all go down?
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 No.1693117

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>>1692117
that alone would be historical. so where is everyone moving to?

 No.1693199

>>1693114
Amerika 1987

 No.1693424

>>1691460
yeah this, i dont think there are as many rainbow capitalists as people here think even a ton of LGBT people roll their eyes at "corporate wokeness" and see through it as performative.

 No.1694676

>>1690886
<American left wing
You mean self proclaimed liberals, socdems and welfarists?
>>1691269 This

 No.1694681

>>1692117
Thing is, 30 years is a long time in the exponential global warming era. I actually expect the left to decouple from the dems in less than 10 years.


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 No.1685876[Reply]

Where can i find research and debates about politically incorrect and correct, what's it and the origins of this?
I've heard many right-wingers speaking about a supposedly "cultural marxism" on political correctness, but almost everyone that i see adopting this sense are mostly social-liberals.
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 No.1686039

>>1686030
Why does that make you mad? It basically is. Doesn't mean resisting is revolutionary.
>>1686031
I was refuting the idea that queerness is about a sexual revolution. I think the idea of a sexual revolution is suspect and muddies the more radical meaning of the word such as in the "industrial revolution".

Also disagreeing with the second anon, who implies one can wage a sexual revolution, and that it would lead to the end of queerness. Agreement that sexual liberation means the end of queerness though.

 No.1686042

>>1686038
t. /pol/ or Hillary Clinton

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>>1686026
>>1685953
Adding to what we were discussing yesterday. Silent unbumped post.

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 No.1694671

>>1686770
<Attacking monogamy because they can't cheat on their spouses
Revolutionary prostitutes inb4 the story of Brave New World becomes comes true


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 No.1690736[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Personally, I think this is more than just Larping when you dig a little deeper. These teens seem to be really into Nazi Accelerationism. Over the last 3 years I've seen a ton of hitlerjugend inspired by Atomwaffen/Siege culture or organizing. as if they were actual Patriot Front/Active Club members. National Partisan Movement, Homeworkhelpers88. Sonnenkrieg Division, whatever new group i see on Tiktok trying to make a name for themselves. We all know eventually it'll lead to another Payton Gendron trying to beat Tarrant's "high score".
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>>1691632
Benefiting from a fascist system and being complacent about overthrowing it 100% does make you fascist

 No.1692439

>>1692424
No it does not. Ideology isn’t a blanket. A fascist is someone who does fascism. Someone not actively participating in the dialectic cannot have a side.

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>>1692439
>someone not actively participating in the CPSU does not side or benefit from socialism

 No.1692448

>>1691947
lol. Everyone crying about the Engels part and not adressing what the point. Yes Engels differed from Marx on a few points.
>"the workers gaily share the feast of England’s monopoly of the world market and the colonies.”

 No.1694651

>>1690902
lol imagine they end up pissing off gangster disciples by crossing out the star of david


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 No.1694458[Reply]

Strange request but I would like to deepen my analysis of the game and one aspect I'd like to tackle is structural mechanics of oppression, its radical means of dismantlement and historical comparisons from communist and anarchist movements (preferably small communes). Zapatistas for example
I would also like resources to create comparisons to slavery in America through economics, social movement and moral decay so I can contrast it with the ways social progress is motivated through change in production that the protagonist and his commune put into effect.
To top it off, this would have to be somewhat digestible in a way that even (neo)liberal leftists can understand, which means it would have to go against idpol and optics (focusing on the work being problematic instead of the work itself), as well as a complete disregard or ignorance of historical materialism.
I'm also deeply uneducated in the subject so I need to deepen my vocabulary as I just wing it from common sense and my own set of beliefs.
Also if someone wants to argue the game with me, I'd be glad to do so.

Move thread if wrong place

 No.1694515

This is meant more for the games board.

 No.1694600

ok please delete, i have made the thread in the games board

 No.1694615

Moved to >>>/games/32038.


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