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Always thought he was underrated. And this quote is great whether he said it or not.

People give him shit because it all collapsed after he died, but then they'll go and act like the USSR was so much better when it collapsed around the very same time. Tito objectively did things wrong, but the USSR did too. Both got ratfucked by the US in the end.
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>>2587132
ok but he did have aura tho

>>2587137
true but yugoslavia collapsed and now i live in a shithole

>>2586948
Worker co-operatives are a reactionary step backwards. They just have far too much managerial overhead and so requiring massive financialization in order to work. This is technically possible to solve with effective central banking but it is inefficient. In general, central planning is the way to go.

>>2587137
>>2586993
>>2586972
Fidel was by far the #1 communist aura farmer but Tito was definitely stiff competition.

>>2587139
tbf that wasnt titos fault



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why do people believe in this line of reasoning? it doesnt make sense at all
i was talking with some retard on xitter and he told me "marx was wrong, without capitalism you wouldnt even be talking with me right now!"
when did people start saying this? and why???
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>watch video about "communist atrocity"
>comments "gomunism bad, 90000 gorillion dead"
<mfw the atrocity in question was actually stopped by the communists
many such cases

>>2586813
but why? you can find marxs books for free surely i cant be THAT hard for people to do the bare minimum and read, right?

>>2586842
most marxists dont read marx,
so why would anti-marxists?

>>2586845
good point

>>2586800
They aren’t thinking when they say this, they’re just parroting the cliches bourgeois culture shits out all throughout its mentally degenerated media



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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>>2586185
That was the outfit everyone wore then.

>>2584119
>Theravada Buddhism subsisted with no major shocks or rifts to the established religious order for several hundred years
Wtf is he on about, that's not true? What about Rama IV's Dhammayuttika Nikaya reformation, for example, and so on.

Did democratic Kampuchea do anything wrong?

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>>2586320
not sure about that, might as well just have been killed after the initial separation (families were deliberately separated and worked in different parts of the country, or in mobile brigades all across it), or reunited after a while.
>vidrel for cambodian live tv show reuniting families after the dust settled down

>>2586345
trve which is why i supposed they might be just country children however child soldiers were such a common occurrence at the time

>>2586356
i suppose he meant its survival only, i agree the wording is pretty poor if that's what he wanted to convey
also a somewhat relevant paper:
>The monastic order in Cambodia has been divided into two fraternities (nikaya) since 1855 when King Norodom imported the newly-formed Thommayut (dhamayutika nikaya) from Thailand through the agency of Maha Pan, a Khmer monk belonging to King Mongkut’s spiritual lineage. Norodom subsequently had Wat Botum Vaddey constructed, according to the demarcation ritual (nadisima) of the newly formed order, adjacent to the new royal palace in Phnom Penh as the headquarters of the new order and Maha Pan was subsequently installed as its sanghareach (Meas Yang 1978, 38).
>In Thailand the introduction of the new order had passed off without opposition. This was not the case in Cambodia where frequent skirmishes between Mohanikay and Thommayut monks seem to have occurred with some regularity (Bizot 1976, 9). The influence of the colonial power may have been a factor here since the French regarded the Mohanikay, particularly those belonging to its reformed wing, to exercise a beneficial influence on the populace and towards the protectorate. Thommayut monks, on the other hand, were regarded as potentially intransigent, not least because it was thought that they owed their allegiance to the Thai court (Forest 1980, 143).
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>A female Khmer Rouge fighter or 'mit naree' [literally "comrade young-woman" iirc] carries a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle in the jungle of western Cambodia, 15th February 1981. (Photo by Alex Bowie/Getty Images)



 

Today begins the presidential and legislative election of the Central American of Honduras. With the left-wing Libre party, wish wishes to change the constitution to an anti-neolib and democratic socialist stance, at odds with the liberal and social conservative neoliberal bloc.
Whilst this is happening, Trump has pardoned a former Honduran president convicted of drug trafficking offences whilst going off about how conveniently the whole Venezuelan military high command is full of alleged drug traffickers. Honduras is of considerable strategic importance to the United States. With several U.S. Army bases situated there. Trump has also gone off about how the electorate must vote away from the Libre "communists" and vote anyone else.
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Isn't Libre complaining about election fraud?


>Although Mr. Cerrato López, 62, normally backed the right-wing National Party, he said he had planned to vote for another right-wing candidate, Salvador Nasralla, who was leading by a small margin in some polls, in hopes of kicking the governing left-wing party out of office.

>But when President Trump threw his support behind the National Party’s candidate, Nasry Asfura, just days before the vote, and suggested he wouldn’t work with the other top two candidates, Mr. Cerrato López said he was surprised but pleased. He said he switched his vote to Mr. Asfura.


>And when Mr. Trump announced that he would pardon a notorious former president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernández, a member of Mr. Asfura’s party who was convicted last year of working with cartels to flood the United States with cocaine, Mr. Cerrato López said he was more confident in his decision because he believed Mr. Hernández had helped the military when in office.


>Mr. Mejía said that independent voters and “many” supporters of Mr. Asfura’s party had intended to vote for Mr. Nasralla because they saw him as having the best chance to end the tenure of the governing party, which includes the candidate Rixi Moncada.


>“But when they heard that about Trump, they went back to their party, and some independents started to have doubts,” he said.


>Ricardo Romero Gonzales, who runs an independent polling company in Honduras, said that based on his daily polling, Mr. Nasralla had a nine-point lead before Mr. Trump’s endorsement of Mr. Asfura. After Mr. Trump weighed in, he said, the candidates were in a virtual tie.


>Mr. Romero Gonzales said that roughly a third of Hondurans have a family member in the United States and that people thought about them when voting. He added, “People believe the country will be worse off if we are enemies of Trump.”


>Hondurans who voted for Mr. Asfura said they did so in part because they yearned for a better relationship with the United States. They said they worried that a different candidate winning could hurt Honduras, a country that relies heavily on money transfers from many undocumented migrants in the United States.

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>>2587189
Everyone's awful and the world sucks



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
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Jakarta takes #1 spot as largest city in the world

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>>2407507
Yeah bro that woman and guy are three metres tall. Why are "white" americans so annoying when it comes to asians and other brown people? We in Europe don't do that shit, I think it stems from american inferiority complexes towards white Europeans.

>>2574007
not a thred for your family history, shut up.

>>2407507
sexpats

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Why did CCP, and Lao gov let literally Ancap has their's own autonomous area Laos territory?
>The 30km² Triangle Where Crime Is Legal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQv3gj-sAmQ



 

🌴CALIFORNIA POLITICS 🥑
< The Cesspool of Late-Stage Narcissism Edition

💸🧘Thread for hellish discussion of the Progressive Reich and the smug, solar-paneled hypocrisy of the California Bourgeoisie and its Proletarian Gimps.🌞🍷

<Things will continue to be a performative hellscape where every solution is a branded, venture-capitalist-backed app for a problem they created, where people who preach "sustainability" own three homes and charge their Tesla from a grid powered by fossil fuels. The homeless population will be both a moral crisis and an eyesore to be hidden behind decorative fencing, while the legislature passes another groundbreaking non-binding resolution. The state will burn, flood, and drought simultaneously, and everyone will blame climate change while refusing to address the water-guzzling almond farms or their own lawn. The collapse will be a slow, Instagrammable descent into a smug, self-congratulatory dystopia.


<Death to the land of the fake woke, the exporters of insipid culture, the enabler of NIMBYs, the patron saint of pilates, the captains of crony capitalism, the barons of brunch, the lord of the lease-to-own luxury car, the guarantor of gentrification, the sultan of the startup, the prince of the pinkwashed police state

💧 Drought Tracker 🚰
https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?ca

🏘️ NIMBY Policy Tracker 🏗️
https://calmatters.org/housing/

📱 Glowie-Tech News 📱
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Reminder that we kinda have an aristocracy this state, alot of rural countys seem to have a random own half of the land in the county

california is losing population due to terrible housing cost and discrediting the """left""" with it?


>>2587037
>Demonstrators gathered in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday as part of a nationwide rally called “No War on Venezuela.” The event was a national day of action calling for a stop to U.S. military action in Venezuela. KTLA’s Jillian Smukler reports on Dec. 6, 2025.

Down with the Silicon Valley billionaires. California has the ultimate potential yet we are being sucked dry both figuratively and literally. Massive farming corporations drain our natural water reserves while techbros fuck over our state over and over again.



 

Behold, the most useless communist party. What do these guys even do?
What the hell is going on over there in Nepal? This can extend to Sri Lanka also.

The most useless and embarrassing communist party is the Communist Party of Britain. The Labour party for bigots afraid of ever actually being adjacent to power.

>>2587046
which one?

Was this the one that China backed a monarchy against?

>>2587065
No, this is the Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist-Leninist) which opposed the People's War. Their chairman (KP Sharma Oli) was the guy who just got kicked out of the Prime Minister position by the recent protests in Nepal.

>>2586985
>What the hell is going on over there in Nepal?
The collapse of the historic compromise between revisionist "communism" and liberalism. This isn't just limited to Nepal either. We can also see this in the collapse of "Eurocommunist" politics across Europe as revisionist Communist Parties are being banned right left and center. Their usefulness to liberalism and bourgeois "multi-party democracy" is used up, they played their role in wrecking revolutionary politics to perfection, and as capitalism heads to another general crisis liberalism is uninterested in communist politics even having a nominal presence in public life.



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>>2586472
Unemployed people bad. That was easy.

>>2585992
Computer, load up celery man, please!

Sum1 bake nu bread

>>2586645
we dont need one anymore. let it die

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What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
a) less educated
b) disinclined to reading
c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
d) lower in cultural capital and status. (though harder to show in a neat chart, it links to b. most readers will know what i mean if i just say they're uncool.)

and the frankly obvious-and-growing divide of political behavior by intelligence throughout the west, with better educated people voting for left/liberal parties and less educated people voting for nationalists and reactionaries.
in this sense, and only this sense, are the right correct to identify the left with liberals. both leftists and liberals are generally educated, enjoy reading, and high agreeableness/openness, the opposite of rightists.

what are the implications as relate to the idea that right-wing fake news and rage-bait are demand lead, with low-openness, low-agreeableness, poorly educated non-readers prefering to watch nonsense not because they're manipulated into it by outside forces, but because this is just what they like

what are the implications for left-wing organizing strategy, which tends to resist trying to appeal directly to the interests of educated knowledge workers (or, indeed, young proletarianized female service workers with degrees) because of the aesthetic pull of historical industrial mass-movements?

what are the implications in the longer run, given that higher education enrolment levels have generally been rising over time, such that more than 50% of British young people now go into further education by age 30? what are the implications of this trend reversing, as is apparently happening in the US?

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>>2547267
there is an inevitability of a well-regulated chaos within a hellenic cosmopolitanism however - if we permit the cosmopolis ("society of the world") then we will create wealth inequality and also wealth opportunity. eroding borders would mean doing away with the artificial stratification of the north/south and so a new way of living would exist. nietzsche for example, expressly promotes race-mixing as a strategy for eugenics (not by preserving purity, but by the process of purification, in combining many aspects into one), which is entirely contrary to current right-wing myopia, which wants to end history altogether. the consciousness of the "radical right" (t. jonathan bowden) is not "conservative", but is a revaluation of all values, and particularly, socratism and christianity. i would say that new thinking can also be old thinking, without of course, spoilation through a "platonism for the masses".

>>2547229
Note how it's framed as a joke about bushes speaking style and flatters the reader's intelligence by relying on them getting the philosophical reference rather than just saying "republicans are retards lol!!" Directly.
(And even then, just calling your opponents dumb is different from actually analysing them on the basis of their stupidity)

>>2546215
>What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
>a) less educated
>b) disinclined to reading
>c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
>d) lower in cultural capital and status.

uhhh… it means they're working class

>>2586820
whoops

I don't put a lot of stock in research like this and the hyped up conclusions people draw from it. If you polled the average online leftist, you'd find them just as poorly read, less open etc. If openness, tolerance, and having elite cultural capital are core features of liberalism, then obviously right wing populists aren't going to score high in those areas because they oppose those values.

Politics today is overwhelmingly aesthetic. Why is someone a right winger? Because they watched a dozen wermacht edits and don't want uyghurs moving in next door. Why is someone a leftist? Its the whole Che T shirts thing all over again. Nobody reads or evaluates ideas. They pick stuff that makes them feel good and are encouraged to do so. Political theories are just instruments for power, tools for getting what you want. Why are there so many trans leftists? Because it gets them things. Why are many evangelicals right wingers? Because liberals always looked down on them and the left was too atheist, it didn't get them what thy wanted. Its really that simple.



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>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.



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