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>>2586472
Unemployed people bad. That was easy.

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we dont need one anymore. let it die

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What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
a) less educated
b) disinclined to reading
c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
d) lower in cultural capital and status. (though harder to show in a neat chart, it links to b. most readers will know what i mean if i just say they're uncool.)

and the frankly obvious-and-growing divide of political behavior by intelligence throughout the west, with better educated people voting for left/liberal parties and less educated people voting for nationalists and reactionaries.
in this sense, and only this sense, are the right correct to identify the left with liberals. both leftists and liberals are generally educated, enjoy reading, and high agreeableness/openness, the opposite of rightists.

what are the implications as relate to the idea that right-wing fake news and rage-bait are demand lead, with low-openness, low-agreeableness, poorly educated non-readers prefering to watch nonsense not because they're manipulated into it by outside forces, but because this is just what they like

what are the implications for left-wing organizing strategy, which tends to resist trying to appeal directly to the interests of educated knowledge workers (or, indeed, young proletarianized female service workers with degrees) because of the aesthetic pull of historical industrial mass-movements?

what are the implications in the longer run, given that higher education enrolment levels have generally been rising over time, such that more than 50% of British young people now go into further education by age 30? what are the implications of this trend reversing, as is apparently happening in the US?

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>>2547267
there is an inevitability of a well-regulated chaos within a hellenic cosmopolitanism however - if we permit the cosmopolis ("society of the world") then we will create wealth inequality and also wealth opportunity. eroding borders would mean doing away with the artificial stratification of the north/south and so a new way of living would exist. nietzsche for example, expressly promotes race-mixing as a strategy for eugenics (not by preserving purity, but by the process of purification, in combining many aspects into one), which is entirely contrary to current right-wing myopia, which wants to end history altogether. the consciousness of the "radical right" (t. jonathan bowden) is not "conservative", but is a revaluation of all values, and particularly, socratism and christianity. i would say that new thinking can also be old thinking, without of course, spoilation through a "platonism for the masses".

>>2547229
Note how it's framed as a joke about bushes speaking style and flatters the reader's intelligence by relying on them getting the philosophical reference rather than just saying "republicans are retards lol!!" Directly.
(And even then, just calling your opponents dumb is different from actually analysing them on the basis of their stupidity)

>>2546215
>What are the implications of research regularly showing that right-wingers are generally
>a) less educated
>b) disinclined to reading
>c) low in traits like agreeableness and openness
>d) lower in cultural capital and status.

uhhh… it means they're working class

>>2586820
whoops

I don't put a lot of stock in research like this and the hyped up conclusions people draw from it. If you polled the average online leftist, you'd find them just as poorly read, less open etc. If openness, tolerance, and having elite cultural capital are core features of liberalism, then obviously right wing populists aren't going to score high in those areas because they oppose those values.

Politics today is overwhelmingly aesthetic. Why is someone a right winger? Because they watched a dozen wermacht edits and don't want uyghurs moving in next door. Why is someone a leftist? Its the whole Che T shirts thing all over again. Nobody reads or evaluates ideas. They pick stuff that makes them feel good and are encouraged to do so. Political theories are just instruments for power, tools for getting what you want. Why are there so many trans leftists? Because it gets them things. Why are many evangelicals right wingers? Because liberals always looked down on them and the left was too atheist, it didn't get them what thy wanted. Its really that simple.



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>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.



 

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behold, the original flag of the Australian labour movement in all its glory

if u don't salute ur a lib

>>2584219
is that a bundle of sticks on the bottom left lmao holy shit

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>>2584219
SALUTE!

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This is Riff Raff Radical Marching Band. Say something nice about them.



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>>2586626
It's more of a clergy thing tbh

>>2586626
I'm only practicing proletarian astrology. I don't dabble in the dark arts.

What would be the Chinese pasta dish to replace Macaroni's name? Ramenoni?

China is an example of solar punk working

>>2586646
One of the problems that haunts Green parties in the west is that porkies who sell solar panels are just as cuntish as porkies who sell oil.



 

>burgerland
>bourgeoisville located outside of a major city
>cant fucking breathe, feeling like i'm about to pass out
>call ambulance
>takes at least 6 minutes to arrive
>arrive at hospital
>put in wheelchair and taken to waiting area
>there's a fucking line
>wait 20 minutes
>get triaged, EKG, wait another 10 minutes
>get a room, blood drawn, wait some more
>see the doctor for like 5 minutes, describe symptoms
>at least an hour later get breathing drug
>get discharged shortly after, can breathe a bit better but still feel like shit and nothing shows up on the bare minimum tests they do
>"how are you getting home?"
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>>2586509
Circumcision is something that should be tossed away and forgotten forever. Unless it's actually medically needed which doesn't seem to be the case most of the time.

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>>2586512
You can thank John Kellogg for the popularity of Circumcision in the USA. he thought it along with eating Corn Flakes would stop people from Masturbating.

>>2586520
It wasn't just him. Every money grubbing doctor wanting extra cash pushes it while religiously motivated Judeo-Christians actively try to promote it around the world. All of them work together with Muslims to push heavily flawed studies "proving" it reduces disease and actively stop legislation against it by crying about religious discrimination.

All Abrahamics have to go. Only then will this problem stop.

>>2586572
>It wasn't just him. Every money grubbing doctor wanting extra cash pushes it while religiously motivated Judeo-Christians actively try to promote it around the world.

Yeah but John Kellogg was the most influence in making it popular in the USA in the 19th and 20th centuries. And from there it spread.



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What's actually wrong with the Falange?

>supports workers rights

>strong state that controls strategic sectors
>actually supported the separation of church and state, unlike Franco
>built lots of public housing and infrastructure
>implemented social welfare measures, such as the mandatory family allowance system
>hated Freemasonry, big bankers, and oligarchs, without being anti-semitic
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https://filosofia.org/aut/001/1939tlc.htm#p05

Go on and google translate that speech. He goes on praising Marx and largely agree with him but sees no contradiction with his own idealistic notion of the Fatherland and man which was just a mental illness due to his upper-class upbringing. Personally I think he was a hack but very smart.
Spain back then was barely out from being a feudal backwater so syndicalist and reactionary essentializing theories like anarchism were popular and with the proletariat not being as developed there wasn't that massive of a rift between the interests of the ruling class and a good chunk of the popular classes (peasants are inherently reactionary idgaf) for there to be a perceived existential threat, it was moreso to restore the natural order of things in a more integral fashion than the Italian/German futuristic aesthetics of burning everything down, though still just as radical it wasn't precisely alienating.
Falange was roots-fascism so to say closer to Sorel in many aspects with a human face like if Italian/Nazi fascism was the abstract "we're all the same race" falangism was like we're all the same family

But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account. Like I unironically believe it had tangential influence on the political development of Castro due to the large spanish community in Cuba at the time (himself being part of) and it is a statement for the power of the Fatherland as a mobilizing force, Patria o Muerte itself sounds incredibly falangist

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>>2586081
This uygha didn't read Marx yet.

>>2586292
>But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account.
I don't think it ever did? Like there's whatever this aristocrat said he was doing and then there was the actual history of how this played out.

>>2586295
this uygha hasn't read the principles of communism oh no no no

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Also thread is saged now but the Falange was unusually non-proletarian even by the standards of other fascist parties (that were fairly middle class usually anyways). Like they were very heavily not that.

Weirdly and disturbingly, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania probably was the strongest fascist group ever in recruiting blue-collar workers and those guys were so psychotic a conservative-authoritarian government shot the whole leadership and dumped their bodies in a lime pit.



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Company grabs and illegally fences off land in Taytay, Rizal
More than 60 families from the Sitio Igiban Neigborhood Association suffered from the company’s harassment. Many residents could not go to school or their workplaces because of the barrier. While residents were distressed by the company’s harassment, company personnel ruthlessly cut down their trees and plants. The company also continued with its construction actitivies and hauling materials into the sitio.
https://philippinerevolution.nu/angbayan/company-grabs-and-illegally-fences-off-land-in-taytay-rizal/

Overnight exchange of fire along the Afghan-Pakistan border kills 5 and wounds 8, officials say
Pakistani police and a hospital official in the Pakistani city of Chaman, Mohammad Awais, said three people, including a woman, were wounded in the shooting and shelling that came from the Afghan side. The clashes lasted until dawn Saturday, police said.
https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-pakistan-border-shootout-2d2766c8d15bf94369fb87b46185e1a8

China’s official media calls for end to name-and-shame campaign against grass-roots cadres
The article said this “label-based evaluation … smacked of sensationalism” and warned that it was a barrier to properly understanding the dilemmas and problems grass-roots officials faced. For example, it said, those accused of lying flat might not necessarily be lazy but could be suffering from physical and mental exhaustion as a result of an unfair workload. Alternatively, it said, they might be worried that officials who took the initiative were at greater risk of making mistakes and being punished as a result. It also expressed sympathy for those accused of lying on their side, saying they might face an overly strict authorisation process or have “nitpicking” superiors.
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Pilots' union blocks Allegiant Air bid to get US residency for foreign hires​
The union has refused to certify to the U.S. Department of Labor that the pilot positions, which start at about $50,000 a year, about half of what pilots at other regional airlines earn, meet "prevailing wage" standards. That certification is a crucial bureaucratic step and a requirement for the pilots' green card applications. Instead of hiring foreign pilots, the Teamsters Local 2118 has asked Allegiant to offer industry-standard compensation and improvements to scheduling to retain pilots who are leaving for rivals.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/sustainable-finance-reporting/pilots-union-blocks-allegiant-air-bid-get-us-residency-foreign-hires-2025-12-06/

Trump revokes licenses for thousands of CDL training centers, in sweeping attack on immigrant truckers
The federal Training Provider Registry lists roughly 16,000 providers nationwide. With nearly 3,000 removed and 4,500 more under review, the purge affects approximately 45 percent of all entries in the registry. More than 40 percent of listed CDL training providers could lose their ability to certify new drivers. Furthermore, graduates of any removed center will not be recognized as having completed federally mandated training, and many current CDL holders may find their credentials revoked.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/06/uagm-d06.html

San Diego agrees to pay $30m to family of boy, 16, shot dead by police
As seen on body-worn camera and surveillance footage released by police, Gold pulled out his gun and shot at Wilson’s back as he ran by within seconds of encountering him in the corridor. Footage captured Gold identifying himself as a police officer only after he opened fire. Wilson was pronounced dead at the hospital 35 minutes later.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/05/san-diego-settlement-konoa-wilson-police

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Statement by the Communist Party of Poland: "Our struggle continues"!
The shameful attempt of the Polish state to outlaw the Communist Party of Poland (Komunistyczna Partia Polski - KPP) has become a central front in the international struggle against anti-communism. In recent weeks, the Polish authorities escalated their decade-long persecution by bringing the case before the Constitutional Tribunal in an effort to criminalize the Party’s very existence. This heinous attack does not concern only the comrades in Poland. It forms part of a broader offensive by capitalist governments across Europe and the EU to restrict political rights, falsify history, and suppress communist organizations that defend the interests of the working class. In response, communist and workers’ parties from every continent mobilized immediately. Joint statements were issued, solidarity actions were organized, and protests were held outside Polish embassies worldwide on December 1st. This internationalist reaction demonstrated that the persecution of one communist party is a matter for the entire movement. Below is the official statement of the Communist Party of Poland, addressed to all fraternal parties, updating the movement on the latest developments and reaffirming its determination to continue the struggle.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/12/statement-by-communist-party-of-poland-our-struggle-continues.html

America Didn’t Have a Boom This Black Friday. It Had a Breakdown
Black Friday set another record this year. Reporters treated it as proof that Americans still have strength in their wallets and that the economy has life in it. The president called it the “Trump Bump.” The headlines bragged about an eleven point eight billion dollar day and analysts lined up to praise the numbers. None of it holds up once you look at how people paid for those purchases and how much strain sits underneath those sales. A record weekend in a hollowed out economy is not a sign of confidence. It is a sign of how far people will push themselves to give their kids one normal holiday in a year that left them with nothing extra.
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tybna

Tybna!



 

>be communist revolutionary
>overthrow oppressive regime
>instate controversial policies
>become a divisive matter amongst even your own ideology
>be pol pot
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>>2586083
I see your knowledge is inadequate to be having this conversation

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>>2586089
enlighten me, o quote-master

>>2586021
Stop spamming this low effort shit. If you want to act like a /siberia/oid retard at least go do it there away from us.

>>2586099
>low effort
im sorry but is talking about the politics of tito/pol pot not allowed on this board?




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After working around dozen jobs for 10 years, getting severely underpaid, horrible working conditions, I don’t think I ever become a consumer ever again. I know I’m not alone.

Pic is not mine but almost similar.

Producing your own food is hard work. Producing your own tools is even harder work.

It has always sucked. Life is shit and it's even shittier because the worst types of people seem to constantly rise to power over others. I think even on a smaller scale with parents you get bad results at best you get ignorant parents and at worst you get abusive and violent parents. I think it' been awful. Human nature or just nature in general just often necessitates awful and traumatic behavior. That's just what I think.

>>2585864
>human nature
It doesn't exist, stop believing in such spooks.


>>2585858
The only reason to buy a bunch of shit to decorate your house is to appease other people. Like if you have a wife and kids and host friends/family often. If you're just living by yourself in a small apartment there's no need, it's a waste of money.



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