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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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The British have proved their superiority over the rest yet again by getting out of EU as early as 2016.
Being pro-EU = being a nazi

>>2595269
Sarah Paine deserves a bayonet up her fossilised arse

its over

>>2596172
it has been since 26th December 1991



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How much value do you put it into Western Marxism (Trotzkyism) being Anti Communism. This is often spouted by the ACP etc.

From the small Marxist communist circles I know, opposing USSR or the CCP is not anti-communist, but actually a principle of simply upholding workers first principles. I mean it's that simple - worshipping and being campist to some kind of state is not Marxist in the slightest.
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>>2595285

A >real movement vs a state of affairs.
they are obviously saying that historical attempts were not genuine to the real movement.

Who says this? All communist parties or the KKE? You need to write in a clearer way in order to communicate to us what you intend the subject of sentence to be.

In any case this is false in both instances. Many communist parties believe the attempts were genuine, including the KKE (Until perestroika in the USSR with preceding degeneration from the kosygin-liberman reform & the 90s in China, with preceding degeneration being the 1980s deng reforms)

>keyword:had, they dispute that China is currently continuing to build


Indeed, and I agree with them. The current economy is capitalism with state intervention & a larger state sector; The central planning authority (which isn't even called that anymore) does not issue decrees which have force of law, enterprises overwhelmingly make their own investment, supply chain & pricing decisions (ie. The Chinese economy is structurally
less centrally planned than mcdonalds corporation is internally). And this was not always the case: Things degenerated & capitalism was restored.

>its still wrong from a materialist perspective

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>>2595502
>capitalism with state intervention & a larger state sector
this is largely short selling how it works, the state and its SOEs not only keep controlk of the backbone of the economy, but also has massive finance capitals investment that isnt directed by capitalist logic, but directed according to planning and social value under direction from the party. Theres a reason they call this socialist market economy, just cause it use a market doesnt mean theres no planning and politically enforced top down direction. Quite simply finance capital is not free but completely subordinated to political will.
Is that risky from marxist standpoint, as it could degenerate into purely capitalist logic without a strong political hand? yes, but it certainly seem to work right now

>>2595502

>The current economy is capitalism with state intervention & a larger state sector

yeah, other anon is correct. they dont have direct state quotas for all sectors of the economy, so its not micromanaged like the soviet model. that doesn't mean they dont have central planning. the party controls the commanding heights of the economy and directs production of raw resources, then lets market competition distribute them according to demand. so if they need houses they put out jobs for concrete and steel, rather than directly building the houses. and this goes all across the economy, once things become socially necessary or strategically important through the natural capitalist development of a sector, it consolidates into a monopoly, and it becomes nationalized and democratically directed. until then the fact that their is competition is exactly a signal that it is not ready for nationalization. and yes this sounds exactly like what liberals say, and it is premised on something like a rising tide lifting all boats, but with china its actually true and with liberals its a scam to take your stuff.

>what is not understood by (nearly everyone?) in these 'debates' is that they are using the same word but they mean something quite different by it.

no thats perfectly understood. im not saying that all capitalist states dont have capitalist interests, they certainly do, im saying from marxist(materialist) perspective this is an incorrect definition of imperialism because it does not center how imperialism is socially reproduced through economic production. its not "wrong" but it is practically(praxis) useless

>In neoclassical economics, monopoly is generally considered the opposite of competition.

thats what im saying, thats what lenin says
>In Marxism however, monopoly is actually a form of competition under capitalism,
no? unless you are talking about interimperialist rivalry but thats not *market* competition

>alan_freeman

isnt this one of those tssi guys that takes bohm bawarks critique of marx on the economic calculation problem(which doesn't exist) at face value and try to "correct" marx by demonstrating his own misunderstanding of ltv?
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but really, imperialism, when a marxist says it, is specifically extraterritorial expansion driven by the falling rate of profit as monopoly consolidation leads to stagnation when technological improvement is saturated across the supply chain in a given legal territory. the critique is not that its incorrect to say that capitalists do capitalist things, its that imperialism is a specific stage of national capitalist development, and saying that capitalists doing capitalist things is imperialism, in order to advocate specific universal policies(both sides bad) based on that incorrect definition of imperialism and dogmatically apply defeat of every bourgeois government in all wars, that is wrong, and that is incorrect. its opportunist phrasemongering

>>2572106
What's the difference between anti-communism and just bad/dumb communism? I think the context determines what's people being regressive and intentionally obtuse vs people who need to be educated or struggled with to get back to a correct line. Either way yes western marxism (which emphasizes the abstract concept of exploitation, as if alienation of your surplus labor wouldn't still need to happen in socialism, since it is what allows growth and upkeep) is bad.



 

Their biggest wish was always to have slaves, robots, subservient entities that do all the work while they take all the profits. They salivate at the thought of finally severing their dependence on human workers, because to them we're volatile, expensive, prone to illness, and there's too much bad blood accrued between us during centuries of class war, meaning our very existence threatens them! Once their dependence on us is severed, we are fair game. Like a parasite latching onto a new host, they will care little for the fate of the old host. In fact, their logical course of action will be to erase future risks by neutralizing their old host for good - this is likely the first task of the new host (the robots/AI). Capitalism, as a predatory system par excellence, has now culminated in creating monsters who are finally twisted enough to want to terminate their own entire species in the pursuit of capitalism's ultimate reward - being the last guy standing atop a mountain of skulls.
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Moralism

>>2596075
>this place unironically thinks North Korea is a socialist utopia
Bro. Like China I can understand the logic but. Dude.

>>2595704
>The capitalist class will totally betray humanity.
Rest of humanity. Its almost game over now with predictive capabilities used by glowuyghurs. Its completely game over when police and military are automated.

>>2596075
>Russia because they don't have the tech to do robotic replacement in the near future
Theyll have to submit to Chinese rule or wither away.

>>2596093
NK is heavily militarized in a mountainous region full of extensive underground bunkers and armed with nukes. They have a better chance of surviving than most places.



 

The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen after either the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and alPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2595665
Based Analysis Comrade Glownonymous, but I hate to inform you that you have shamelessly plagiarized one of my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Effort Posts and I would greatly appreciate if you could at least have the decency to state that you are citing me as the source for your Dialectical Materialist Analysis, plus I would also kindly advise you to stop using the Glowie Honeypot created by U$ Naval Intelligence known as “Tor” for your own safety, and the safety of all of your friends, relatives, and fellow Comrades on this website, myself included, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2595665
thermonvclear
trvkenvke

I have no sympathy for native americans, blacks and latinos.
They lick the ass of the white man and are more than happy to partake in the imperialism. Apart from fringe groups, the masses of these groups never willed independence.
Fuck willing slaves.

>>2595693
>plagiarized
>my
Fuck u

>>2595665
I know this is a shitpost but…
1. the US is never going to go head to head with China so scenario one is kinda too unplausible to be funny,
2. the second scenario is also too abstract to be interesting because it also isn't going to happen and doesn't even make sense, like where is the path to communism from the commodification of everything as corporate government protection racket rental fiefdoms? Do I have to be a revisionist to find this funny?
3. Quebec meme is petite-bourgeois, they aren't functionally separate from the rest of Canada just because their language is different, they're still white Canadians



 

bros, i wanna arm the slave camps in dubai. i wanna give them guns bro. i wanna give them knives. i wanna give them cannons. i wanna give them kevlar vests. i wanna give them grenades. i wanna give them helmets. i wanna give them boots. i want them to be prepared to carry out total porky death in dubai.
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>>2595440
You can do both.
Slave revolts lead to instability in the system and is a demonstration of opposition (which emboldens further opposition).

>>2594934
>>2594930
>>2594920
he doesn't go to DPRK, he just goes to the DMZ. boring. he also shills DPRK defector bullshit at the end.
>>2594782
speaking DPRK, this video is pretty good, except for what he calls dubai "north korea with a gucci belt." somebody needs to redpill this kid on DPRK and what they went through, and how, no, it is not literally a US-allied monarchist theocracy with slaves… and DPRK's poverty is because of sanctions.

Kill all gen z

UAE needs to be destroyed

>>2596086
For peace in middle east, we need to destroy Israel, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia.



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If America does collapse due to all the bullshit going on, what would be the best place to flee too? Im just feeling very anxious right now along with my parents and I wanna be able to know of places that would be good for us if things do collapse
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>>2595979
I mean, im still sticking around for now. I just wanna be ready if I change my mind on it.

you can find some comfort in knowing I will celebrate the downfall of your country as a third worlder


>>2595976
On second thought Canada would be quickly overwhelmed by refugees. But Ireland is probably good. Would stay away from the rest of Western Europe though.

>>2596063
IF it falls, a thousand different things could happen between then and now. And uh, fair. I guess. I just feel very sad because there was such promise in this country and we consistently squandered it, especially during the 1800s and post 70s.



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>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.

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Why does porky pretend deflation is bad? >>2595926
Why does porky pretend 100% employment is bad? >>2563763

I need some economic help. How the FUCK DOES MONEY SUPPLY INCREASE.
Assuming theres a set of money, and companies pay their workers with it, how does this money get bigger?
The thing I suspect so far is that banks produce more money, but how do they do that? Like I know banks loan out money from deposits but wouldnt that just be loaning out preexisting money? Or does the deposit remain the same and banks just loan out money that never existed before?
Also once that loaned out money gets deposited back into the bank and other banks (once spent), does that increase reserves? Which allows for more lending? HELP IM CONFUSED



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>>2578251
damn thats good man

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>>2588670
Thank you anons

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>>2595954
on that note



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Zohran Mamdani and his acolytes are the vanguard of the mom&pop petite-bourgeoisie. Ethnically Indian, Ugandan born, NYC raised: the archetype of the small-business rootless cosmopolitan. He does not oppose big corporations with a view of nationalising them under a worker-led state. He opposes big corporations because they drive his beloved small food truck and small peddlers out of business. Zohran hates Wall Street not because he wants a Proletarian New York, but because he wants an Oriental Bazaar New York. He loves the mass of decentralised spice traders, snake oil merchants, and empanada fryers. Zohran loves American Imperialism, he just wants the petite-bourgeoisie to have a larger share of the imperial spoils, instead of getting wiped out by the haute-bourgeoisie. Bernie killed Rosa, AOC dismembered her corpse, Zohran will distribute the body parts to his small merchant friends.
The only hope for communists in this election was Comrade Curtis Sliwa. But he was never going to survive the assault of the imperial-liberal youth of NYC. The American proletariat barely exists. Its brave last soldiers are heroically resisting, but they have already lost and soon will be exterminated.
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The unreal amount of butthurt Mamdani causes in neoliberal MSM, among zionists as well as among anti-communist reactoids of all sorts speaks for him. If i'd live in the USA i would support him doing his lukewarm demsoc thing for a while, cause succdem/demsoc or whatever it's called is still much better for working class interests than anything what burgers usually get when they vote, especially when there's not a strong ML vanguard around. There's enough time for harsh criticism later, if need be.

>>2595213 >>2595238
read Bordiga

>>2595900
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>>2554892
I literally cannot find a source or context for this quote

>>2595935
Dont post here until you find a source



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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2568483
>They didn't, they got outcompeted by native producers of numerous nations who did the same job cheaper, most notable example of such a nation being China.
once again, you're acting like that's a mutually exclusive explanation. America outsourced BECAUSE they got outcompeted, and America's reserve currency strategy dictated letting this problem get worse because they followed an import based strategy rather than an export based strategy. Past declining empires like the British and Dutch made similar mistakes. The reserve currency thing isn't a meme. These problems all feed into each other. Imperial core capitalists also become seekers of interest and rent, rather than profit, through the process of financialization, which is another reason the industrial base in the imperial core declines. You win power by being more productive, but then once you're at the top you refuse to stay productive, and instead rest on your imperialist laurels, seeking rent and interest, outsourcing production, letting up-and-coming nations outcompete you, and letting money printer go Brrrr because you think you can coup and sanction everyone to death forever.

>>2583326
>Past declining empires like the British and Dutch made similar mistakes.

>>2565738
you are a literary type
fuck you and your liberal arts education

>>2565787
>smug greentext that implies you are wrong, but no real correction offered

>>2565792
>You are accusing capitalists of acting capitalistically
nygha WHAT



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