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Uno si assenta per qualche mese e il filo più importante di tutti scompare… Roba da matti!

Non ho proprio calcolato questa tavola più o meno dal periodo dell'impresa di Luigi Mangione e ho ricominciato a buttarci un occhio solo da una settimana o due. Vediamo un po' che ne viene fuori stavolta.
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la capitale della Sinistra Progressista™


>>2534760
For ye anglos:
Lombardy is finishing off public healthcare.
The hospitals will be able to stipulate private contracts with insurances to give priority access to their clients.

>>2520283
Milano? Ma da quando?

>>2534763
Da quando hanno iniziato gente legata al PD



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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>>2524561
>>2524572
>>2525430
Wait, can't they telegraph their votes from they are?

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Pourquoi ils sont comme ça ?

>>2537847
Ils sont charmants, vos frères de l’UE-OTAN.

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Avez-vous déjà vu la série de vidéo L'empire n'a jamais pris fin par Blast ?



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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2538691
as i have already said, the volk are racist
there is nothing more to it

>>2538451
>>2538444
>>2538516
Nirvana-attainer analysis. Consider this instead: https://c4ss.org/content/24150

What is the social basis of capitalism? Social relations mediated through capital and the commodity form. So why would abolishing this have anything to do with "building the productive forces"?
>>2531717
I think entertaining separatism even in face of (bourgeois) chauvinism is a mistake. As seen in the USSR. The alternative is splitting the world into a collection of bantustans, which is what we have today: Capital moves (mostly) freely, workers (mostly) don't. And this is the true goal of separatism; the creation of new plantations where the new nascent national capital and its bourgeoisie can exploit its workers.
There's nothing worthwhile or salvageable in nationalism as a "socialist" project.

>>2538696
Maybe some people are more easily frightened than others, but thinking this makes a good argument against immigration (brown people bad!) is bad faith. Or at the very least, the people who think like this aren't owning their racism. Instead they do this thing where they pretend their tribalism is only natural, or they tell you to stare at the graphs they copied from facebook or their tabloid of choice. Whilst none of that explains their attitude itself.

The issue here is a lack of introspection and (moral) courage. You can see this in OP where there's the assumption it's only reasonable to assume an immigrant who was told to leave the country was going to sexual assault a kid. And immigration is something the "left" has to solve.

>>2538691
Some people straight up don't like the way foreigners look, their cultures, their food, their language/accent. That makes up like 50% of anti immigration. Another 50% is economic, like competition for jobs or welfare smooching etc. Do you really not know this?

>>2538743
>Or at the very least, the people who think like this aren't owning their racism
>The issue here is a lack of introspection and (moral) courage.
precisely, but there is a dilemma here, where many people may genuinely be racist, or even conditionally racist (e.g. my mate is black) yet it is profoundly un-civil to be openly racist (something these people implicitly recognise). so then, is it "better" to live in an openly racist society, or a society of closet racists?



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These fags want to remove the age of consent laws and normalize pedophilia
They think Trump will do that by making people ignore his involvement in child abuse
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-raid-chicago-apartment

>she saw children, some of whom weren’t even wearing clothes, dragged out of the building by ICE agents and then placed into U-Haul vans.


Creepy to see this happening with real ICE agents after the posts about impersonating ICE agents.

this shit is too fucked up even for me. brutal blackpill. demons are ruling the world and theres nothing we can do

I will never understand the moral panic around pedophilia.

Any news?

>>2530185
>torfag



 

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I don't know why people get so pissed about the Australian Frontier Wars. Sure, I might be willing to admit that certain elements of Queen Victoria's administration may have harboured slightly anti-indiginous sentiments that go far even for me, but that doesn't mean the various tribal groups can deny Australia's right to exist. These savages are so frequently attacking our settlers. I heard one say the other day that "From the Yarra River to the Tasman Sea Shall Be Free," which is obviously genocidal, as there are a ton of Australians in this area and they have no connection to any other nation. Where would they go? And I don't get why these Wurundjeri, Boonwurrung, and Wathaurrungs get so pissed off. This is obviously not an equal fight. Aboriginals surround Australians in every direction. Why can't they just go live with these Jagera and Turrbal peoples in the desert? The northern savages don't seem to be helping the southern ones out enough, why is it always our responsibility? I read in the Herald Sun the other day that some Aboriginals scalped babies! Babies! You can condemn the land seizures but not scalping babies? These activists seem to be holding Queen Victoria to a standard they never held Pemulwuy to when he was slaughtering innocent Bendigo settlers. They must just want all the Australian people dead. Again, you may have certain issues with the Queen's administration, or even every monarch ever crowned, but this doesn't mean Australians have inherent problems (the Aboriginals certainly do, I haven't heard one condemn the latest scalping). You can criticise certain politicians, and I agree, I'm even a Labour voter, but you have no right to question our peoples right to exist. There is no other Australian nation in the world. Why do you want us, out of all other people, not to have self determination?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2536058
Thanks, wsws. Retarded analysis as always.

>>2532861
We're really just reposting WSWS articles here now?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/20/cnjh-d20.html

>>2537078
But this is clearly ironical?

>>2538593

#freecockshott



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2507797
Unfortunately nobody really cares about Western Sahara, even you are just bringing it up as a prop to complain about people who rhetorically support China and Russia. In part this is because Morocco is already seen as an obscure, poor and backward country that almost nobody knows anything about, let alone controversies like the minefields along the fence and all that shit. And also because there's only like a a handful people that live in WS, said mines have only claimed 2500 casualties in the last 50 years. It's still fucked up of course, but just in terms of injustices in africa alone it's relatively minor

Madagascar Status?

<this is the problem with dealing with anti-intelectuals
<i have engaged your father when you were still in the village looking after cows
<control your weight
ahahahahahaha. Parliamentary kino is back.

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>>2358067
>>2358391
You know South Africa genuinely seems like kind of a slept on nation. Sure, it has its problems (rolling blackouts due to how the grid was built during the apartheid era) but from what I can see it's beautiful af and the people are friendly and have a good sense of humor.

I'll definitely have to visit one day. I'll even consider learning one of the languages like Xhosa or Zulu as a sign of respect for the many cultures there.

I do apologize if I derailed the thread but I can't help it my autism/lack of being outside of the United $snakes of Amerikkka.

>>2526951

Μάλλον το 2026 θα ξαναπάω Ελλάδα κάποτε στο καλοκαίρι.



 

They're just like the incels but SO MUCH WORSE! How could the right ever have achieved such an abomination?

https://unicornriot.ninja/2024/sextortion-coms-inside-a-vile-child-exploitation-cult-run-by-nazi-linked-teens/

Holy fuck, these people are vile.
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Its all GLADIO

>>2519646
The article's got a bit about Riley Williams, the Capitol rioter:
>In fact, several of the photos from the FBI Statement of Facts in her case are from a Cvlt-related Discord server where she boasted about stealing the laptop among other things. She also shared two separate videos of herself saying “Heil Hitler” as well as photos of her fansigning BERSERKR across her chest.
Could be getting her tits out professionally and earning some money from it. Notoriety only makes punters more thirsty. She could be like an evil version of Louise Rosealma.

>>2538082
>be me
>make a post about Riley last thing before going to sleep
>dream I am Riley
>in hospital
>trying to donate blood
>wake up at 4AM
>going to post about Riley again
>then go back to sleep
>and be me this time
>and fuck Riley in her hospital bed

>

>>2519646
I can fix the chick in the middle. I'll read Marx to her while we're both snuggling in bed and she'll get. Then she'll be my Krupskaya to my Lenin and we'll both lead the revolution.

>>2538373
I think it might take more than that, anon.
But she's definitely
>fixable



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Stalinoids have a tendency for projecting their great man idealism and assume Marxist critique of their cult is based on vilifying Stalin the man. However we reject their mythology of the one man (Khrushchev) singlehandedly dismantling an entire mode of production.

The Russian revolution lost because it failed to become international. Stalin had little to no role to play in that. In fact our only contention with Stalin is much less dramatic, it's simply his opportunist decision to not recognize the defeat of the revolution and instead to parade its corpse in order to maintain yet another capitalist state. His and others desecration of the revolution set the workers movement decades back.
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>>2538336
Why not? The whites were every bit as savage as the contras

>>2538339
>The situation in this 90s Central American banana republic smaller than most states in the Union is comparable to the 1920s Soviet Union because they both had reactionaries

Kill yourself

>>2538348
No you

>>2538298
Marxism isn't an ideology, lib.

Read The German Ideology

>>2538339
but the reds won in russia. and then they had multiparty elections in the 90s and they lose. also is nicaragua communist now?



 

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2537127
The GDP will be lower, because things that aren't about money moving around don't count towards GDP no matter how much use value they give
>>2534282
Crypto yes, stealing salaries no they worked for those wages

What do you guys think of the DPRK actively signalling closer ties to Vietnam? Will it lead anywhere meaningful?
In general it is nice to see the DPRK, having survived the coldest years of the 90's and 00's, being welcomed in from the cold as the american unipolar moment fades.

>>2538221
oh sorry, forgot to add, heres 38N seething about it (these new writers they got are so bad, it's crazy): https://www.38north.org/2025/10/the-fourth-chair-vietnams-pyongyang-showing/

>>2537190

True enough that things are provided for free might not get counted. Though there some ways around that (using a cost of production approach)

That said there are certainly things that count towards gdp but are a pure social waste like drugs, prostitution, advertising, gambling, etc. that are very marginal in the DPRK (basically nearly non-existent).

Further I suspect capitalist gdp gets inflated by speculative activity that national accounting mistakes for real production due to methodological issues, even if by their own standards they aren't supposed to.

>>2538223
>>2538221

I think its generally mildly positive because it makes the DPRK less trade/tech dependent on hard & soft traitors to socialism (ie., Russia & China, respectively)

Juche strategy above all though: Self sufficiency in all essentials & heavy industries as much as possible.



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Right now the Trump administration is signaling its intentions to begin criminalizing the left, opening investigations, and moving to eliminate even the most non-threatening anarchist book clubs. They're speaking openly about designating "antifa" as a terrorist organization. Will anyone be surprised if within a couple years the PSL, the DSA, and your local larp group are also designated as criminal organizations? Will anyone in Europe or anywhere controlled by American influence be surprised if right wing governments there adopt the same methods they do in the US?

How can serious left wing organizers under these conditions continue to engage in building above ground parties engaged in feckless reformism under these conditions? Yes, officer, here is our formal centralized list of dues paying members and their legal names and credit card numbers. We have a right to free speech, officer. We're a legally registered nonprofit organization, officer. You'll be hearing from my lawyer, officer. Does this seem like a strategy prepared for the future to you?

People need to shift their organizing underground in advance and we should have done it yesterday. We need to build hardened cell networks and we need to take encryption and countersurveillance seriously. These cell networks need to be seriously prepared for prolonged asymmetric conflict against the most sophisticated surveillance state on Earth. If a crackdown happens, even if you aren't violent, it would be infinitely preferable to be in a hardened underground group that survives instead of sitting out in the open larping that this time we can make social democracy work or that our book club will amount to anything.

Right now, Trump is just a senile figurehead for a cabal of guys like Stephen Miller who are gearing up for Palantir fascism and race war. Anyone who could stand in their way has proven themselves to be too cucked to attempt anything. The worse the economy gets, the more they're going to start lashing out at the low hanging fruit.

>inb4 burger/europoor proles are incapable of revolution so why bother


If you do nothing there's a good chance that they're going to kill you personally, retard. The burgerreich endseig will not be fun to live through. If you don't plan on moving to China somehow you should take this seriously.
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How would you actually convince anyone to join a underground group though
Its already hard enough to get them to read a book

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>>2537260
I can join your underground cell :)

>>2537070
1. all that's required is the ability to have conversations with coworkers, not necessarily on the clock. This is not a high bar
2. if we all lose our jobs and there's a huge surplus population then I'd advise going door to door and seeing who else is in the same boat and organizing the unemployed, and immediately engaging in taxation or some form of banditry to keep yourself fed and free

>>2537260
Only people seriously committed to liberation would join. Don't expect it to be like a mass above-ground org where the goal is to make anyone join and then educate them. Educate and vet them first in low stakes front groups that can build their resolve and knowledge of the scope of injustice and what it takes to win. Secondary reasons to join could be a sense of agency in a chaotic world, camaraderie, and the safety net provided by mutual aid - all the things missing in society for the average person.

>>2521599
i'm still in awe at how stupid this take is, even two weeks after it was dropped.

>>2537260
if someone is too ADHD to read give them youtube videos
also people dont need to be super theorybrained to get involved in revolutionary politics

keep it simple
the system doesnt work we need a new system we can organize whats necessary now and form a group based on that interest of making dual power its easy to see its necessity



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