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Was Bordiga right? Were Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW the only authentic revolutionaries?

Liberals: Supported Israel
Conservatives: Supported Israel
Communists: Supported Israel
Social Democrats: Supported Israel
whatever the PRC is: Supports Israel

The only people who did not support Israel are the fascists. Everyone is literally a pawn of the diddyjew boojcabal except for the fascists.
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>>2928696
I don't know, jannies are pretty gay and retarded on here.

>>2924947
bordiga was right wing

>>2925776
>ouyghshells
kek that was good

>>2929685
it wasn't on purpose, the word filter really is that fucking touchy

>>2924948
truke that sent porkies scrambling for cover



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With gulags Stalin built an industrial powerhouse.
With gulags Stalin won World War 2.
With gulags Stalin dramatically expanded literacy, free education, and basic healthcare, and opened more opportunities for women in work and education than most countries of the era offered
With gulags Stalin split the atom.
With gulags Stalin turned the USSR into a superpower.

It's time to start gulagmaxxing.
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Roumania's prisons were way more badass.

>Prisons are bad ass
>>2929722
Much worse than that

>>2929777
If its all mass murder then you're also engaging in mass murder by not doing anything so the term means nothing. Take a stance faggot.

>>2929851
The difference is the good versions of MLs are doing mass murder in the name of creating conditions where that’s no longer a requirement

OP only fw gulags for aesthetic and idealistic reasons, if libs latched onto to some other random mundane ass thing in the USSR that exists in literally every other country(ooo scurry prison system ooo scurry apartments blocks) they would be meatriding that shit too.



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Have you heard about the Spainish protests? Do we have any espanolanonos who can elaborate?

Context: an ~80yo woman who was on a rental contract that she inherited from her parents had her house taken over by private equity, increased the rent by like 4x, then evicted her. The people successfully resisted it and it has now turned into a mass movement of the landless youth.
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>>2929221
All communist parties on Spain are revisionist and eurocucks. There's Frente Obrero but they're reactionary nazbols

>Large encampment in madrid.
<73 percent support for a general strike.
>Searches For “The Communist Manifesto” Surge By More Than 5,000% In Spain During Ongoing Protests & Encampments

PP + VOX has like 50% of the vote
It's over

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>>2929946
>It's over
Why would the further sharpening of the contradictions possibility make it over?

>>2929946
This country is full of reactionary petit bourgeois scum I wish I was basque so much it's unreal



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Ever since oct 7 all I hear in any political sphere 24/7 is about this bullshit and before that it was all about ukraine and russia. I don't care and I'm sick of pretending I do. Doesn't matter if you're left or right it's all anyone talks about anymore. How does religious idiots doing a genocide have anything to do with workers rights? Obviously genocide is evil but 99% of us are not materially affected by this at all. Why is everyone so hyper fixated on this?
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>>2929406
>Why should I care about israel v palestine?
You shouldnt outside of agitprop purposes.

I am trans and have a British Broadcasting Corporation and i support Palestine.

Jewish nigger. Read Lenin.

>>2929406
Nice try mossad

>>2929406
>>2929536

>not materially affected by this at all

Even out of pure self interest unless your so bougie your parents literally own a factory or some shit like that places like Palestine,Sudan,Haiti and the DRC are glimpses into the future and newest advancements made by the ruling class in keeping us in line. So it would behoove you to understand that you and your descendants might very well end up in there own Gaza surrounded by AI turrets and biometric checkpoints. In the case of Burgeria they're literally building cop cities where IDF soldiers will train local police of COIN tactics, the imperial boomerang is smacking the shit out of us right now.
>hyperfixated
yes I wonder why a bunch of people who are normally completely tuned out of international news are upset by children being hit by white phosphorus and missiles, what could it possibly be…..


>>2929630
I agree with you that we're the same but where we differ is thats why I like both, we're the secular humanist civic nationalist big dawgs and reactoids will just have to deal with that NWO whether they want too or not



 

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Here I will be investigating Plato's thoughts on economic matters, derived from his writings. Economics in its etymology refers to the management of a household, but already by Xenophon's "Economist" refers to managing the general estate of a man's property, for the ends of supplying wealth; understood as gain, rather than loss.¹ Economics can thus be seen as a science of wealth in general. So, we must begin with this category.

We see initially that Socrates expresses his humility by a lack of money, which at his trial, is one silver mina,² or 100 drachmae; a drachma being the daily wage of an Athenian labourer of this period. This is an important Platonic theme continued into Christianity, of the difference between internal and external riches. Plato writes, "the truly rich […] not those who are rich in gold but those who are rich in the wealth that the happy must have, namely, a good and rational life".³  Plato also writes, "those who have a lot of property must also need many of the things required […] so the wealthiest people would necessarily appear to us to be in the worst condition."⁴ Xenophon argued that the cause of wealth was not in things themselves, but in our relationship to them, such that money did not count as wealth if it had no purpose to its possessor.⁵ Plato has a connected but contrary argument, that all property is of use to its possessor: "everything which is property must also be useful".⁶ Plato makes property and wealth synonymous, while Xenophon distinguishes wealth as a condition of property. I feel that Xenophon avoids contradiction, for he assigns wealth to the propertyless, while Plato falls into confusion, central to the Paradox of Value, typified by Aristotle's diagnosis: "gold is a better thing than iron, though less useful: it is harder to get, and therefore more worth getting. In another way, the plentiful is a better thing than the rare, because we can make more use of it."⁷ If property is wealth, and wealth is utility, then iron counts "more" as property than gold. I sympathise with Eryxias here; "becoming seriously confused by the argument".⁸ This is then Plato's general view of wealth.

We see that Plato has a distaste for wealth, which as he continues, is the cause of war: "all wars are due to the desire to acquire wealth",⁹ and this ambition for wealth, he adds, "makes us too busy to practice philosophy."¹⁰ So then, wealth is his nemesis, which is why he critiques the freedom of propPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Plato sees that all wealth pursues the ends of health in the body, and therefore, the one who seeks possession of the most property is most sick.¹ This is reminiscent of Democritus' thoughts, that poverty only measures one's desire for greater ends; not one's lack of means,² which like Plato's [Eros], is born from poverty.³ As it is written thus, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth […] store up for yourselves treasures in heaven […] where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."⁴ Here, austerity is wise for the sake that it makes a man fuller to be without need, but in this is also a reversal, since where the body is fulfilled in its purpose, the mind now has independence, in pursuit of its own luxury. This is described by Aristotle; "as more arts were invented, and some were directed to the necessities of life, others to its recreation, the inventors of the latter were always regarded as wiser than the inventors of the former, because their branches of knowledge did not aim at utility. Hence when all such inventions were already established, the sciences which do not aim at giving pleasure or at the necessities of life were discovered, and first in the places where men first began to have leisure. This is why the mathematical arts were founded in Egypt; for there the priestly caste was allowed to be at leisure."⁵ Here, leisure follows necessity, as the useless follows the useful. Thus, luxury is conceived of likewise.

We see a double-character in this assessment. It is the capacity for leisure which brings about a capacity for knowledge, yet knowledge is evidently superfluous, or secondary to life, attested to by Aristotle himself. This is also repeated by Cicero, who writes, "When we are free from necessary affairs and cares, then we long to see, to hear, and to learn something…"⁶ So then, for the full development of a person, there must be an extension into leisure, which thence encourages talents (scholē). Nonetheless, leisure cannot be seen as an end in itself, for the Romans had caution against idleness caused by "otium" (leisure); a symptom of boredom brought about by unemployment (otium was opposed to "negotium"). The Greek gymnasium can thus be seen as an invention designed to combat idle leisure, since in the culture of Athens, only freemen were permitted to use it, making the artificial labour of exercise a decadent compromise. Richard Whately therefore rightly disputes Necessity as the "motPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Marx begins his career as a journalist, at the age of 24 years old, writing for Rheinische Zeitung from between May–March, 1842–3, notably defending the freedom of the press, and also meeting Engels November 16, 1842. Inevitably, Marx was dropped for his radicalism, which leads to the idea of founding his own paper, partnering with the Young Hegelian Arnold Ruge, creating Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher in August 1843, but which only had one issue, in February 1844, including publishings of "On the Jewish Question", "Contribution to a Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right", and Engels' "Outlines for a Critique of Political Economy". Marx wrote a summary of this as part of the article, which displays a confused vocabulary, later improved upon. During this same time, Marx was writing on economic topics, in his nine "Paris Notebooks" (1843–45), which were never published, yet Marx still highlighted different sections, and seems to have intended them for print in his newspaper. At least in 1845, he was contracted by Carl Leske to write a book titled "A Critique of Politics and of Political Economy", but which never came to be, since this was cancelled in 1846, following more controversies from Marx's status. So, the Paris Notebooks can be considered the earliest economic writings of Marx, the contents of which are known today as: (i) Comments on James Mill, (ii) Notes on Ricardo, and (iii) The Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. I will be reviewing these works.

(i) Comments on James Mill (1844):

This work contains lengthy quotations and responses by Marx. In the beginning, Marx disputes a supposed lawful nature of prices (e.g. exchange-value) synonymous with costs of production; citing accident as the coincidence between them, since the market admits of fluctuation. It cannot be a constant factor, elsewise there would be no market; Marx perhaps foreshadows planned economies:
<In political economy, law is determined by its opposite, absence of law.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/james-mill/
We see in Marx's later writings, a desire to set prices by costs of production, and so the 'anarchy of production' is only an obstacle to perfect equilibrium. Indeed, it is thrice, Gossen, George and Schumpeter who see that a truly lasseiz-faire economy would produce the sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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(iii) Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts (1844):

Despite being unpublished, the manuscripts still have a preface with continuity from the Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher, with Marx insisting upon a better system to understand his critique of politics in general – but which for the sake of censorship stopped his chances. Marx cites inspiration in this critique from Weitling, Hess and Engels, but attributes all credit of the "German positive criticism of political economy" to Feuerbach; and in an 1843 letter, attributes the very basis of Communism to him, expressing "love" for the man, but only to later see his "contemplative materialism" as ineffectual, in 1845. As for a stated methodology, Marx says he has a "wholly empirical analysis", which differs with later comments in Capital, that only by the theoretical is critique complete.

The First Manuscript concerns the "Wages of Labour", which as Marx writes, are "determined through the antagonistic struggle between capitalist and worker" adding, "Victory goes necessarily to the capitalist. The capitalist can live longer without the worker than can the worker without the capitalist." Adam Smith makes a very similar point, seeing that in his era, it was prohibited for workers to unionise, while capitalists did all the time. Marx repeats this point. Marx also references Smith in direct fashion, seeing the minimum wage as that which merely supports the "race of labourers" like cattle. Man in this case is a commodity, and so his labour receives a price according to the market. Thus, Marx writes that wages are determined by supply and demand, like all commodities; further, the components of price (wages, rents and profits) must be proportioned according to the rate of supply exceeding demand, leading to diminished returns for one factor of production over another. Marx sees a complete dependence of the worker in all this:
<it is most difficult for the worker to direct his labor into other channels […] it is just the capacity of the capitalist to direct his capital into another channel […] The worker need not necessarily gain when the capitalist does, but he necessarily loses when the latter loses.
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Questions on The Holocaust

  • This is not a holocaust denial thread
  • This is not a holocaust revisionism thread
  • I have multiple questions that came to mind when reading an exchange from this thread: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2924947.html
  • Here is an (abridged) exchange between two anons:


Anon A:
>"the holocaust" refers to the nazi genocides against slavic peoples as well as jews, not just the genocide against the jews.
Anon B:
<Wrong. The Jews are always the center of the Holocaust narrative.

This raises the first question. Descriptively, does the phrase "The Holocaust" refer only to the genocide against the jews of Europe, or does it also include the related and overlapping genocides against other groups like Slavs, Romani, Poles, as well as the mass murder of political groups like Communists?

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>>2929805
I don’t think Romania is an equivalent to Israel and stolen Hungarian land, feel free to convince me otherwise

>>2928633
on the first point: the conflict is between people who distinguish between the ethnic cleansing of eastern europe and the final solution and those who don't. given the numbers of dead slavic and balkan peoples are in the 10s of millions it seems crass to exclude them from the holocaust figures given the term popularly refers to all the massacres, concentration camps, and death camps and all their victims.

>>2928633
To me 'the holocaust' refers specifically to the program of extermination camps that were set up, this includes all victims of those camps, Jews, slavs, homosexuals etc, but I would say that stuff like Generalplan Ost and Aktion T4 are seperate from the holocaust (though linked in many ways of course)

>>2929806
All of eastern europe are a bunch of ethnostates

>>2929838
I think that's an even more confused definition. I know you said Generalplan Ost, T4 etc., were linked with the Holocaust, but which act of mass murder is which? Is something like the Babi Yar massacres part of the Holocaust because it targeted Jews or is it part of General Plan Ost because the Jews were Soviet Slavs? Was the liquidation of the Polish Jews in the extermination camps in the GG part of the Holocaust or was it part of German settler colonialism in Poland since part of the reason for the Ghettos being crammed with Jews was because of deportations to make room for German settlers in the Warthegau?

The KL-system was also established as an internment system for political opponents during the Machtergreifung rather than for the sake of mass killing, and its prison population was majority non-Jewish for the majority of its existence. It had even almost ceased to exist in the 30s with just a few thousand inmates. Despite that, even if you exclude the Jews that were simply murdered at Auschwitz without registration into the KL, the camps still account for almost a million deaths, with some of the first acts of outright systemic murder being against Soviet POWs and "commissars". The extermination camps were set up specifically for the mass murder of Polish Jews during Operation Reinhardt and the vast majority of victims (>95% except for Sobibor where it was about half) came exactly from those Polish ghettos, with the rest being Jews from elsewhere. Many of the T4 euthanasia personnel were also present at the extermination camps, so that is another link between two different victim groups. There were of course also genocidal acts that were not perpetrated by the Germans, but by their allies or by local nationalist groups and auxiliaries which complicates things even more. There was also not really a single experience for a victim group. For example, Jews in Romania proper fared much better than Jews in the areas it re-annexed from the Soviet Union.

Like yeah, obviously all this stuff is linked, but I feel like Nazi mass murder was too interlinked to consider them apart like this at all. Nazi terror was extremely multi-causal (think food, loot, forced labour, anti-partisan activity, anti-communism, population transfers, you name it) and had a kaleidoscopic ideological base, so I think, maybe a bit paradoxically,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2026/10/04/on-my-expulsion-from-the-communist-party-of-britain/

PAUL COCKSHOTT EXPELLED FROM THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF GREAT BRITAIN FOR "ANTISEMITISM" AMONG OTHER THINGS

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The basis for this seems to have been that I retweeted commentary by Craig Murray and David Miller about the arson that was committed against a group of ambulances in London that belonged to a Jewish community charity. As readers may recall, the media and the Government immediately described the arson as evidence of growing antisemitism and suggested that it was probably part of a conspiracy directed by the Iranian Government. Security Minister Dan Jarvis told Parliament: “The House will be aware that the police are treating this arson attack as an antisemitic hate crime.” Prime Minister Keir Starmer described it as: “a horrific antisemitic attack”. Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood referred to it as an: “Iranian-linked firebomb attack” and an “abhorrent crime”. By July the Government’s language became considerably stronger. Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper announced sanctions on an Iran-linked group and stated that the organisation had: “publicly claimed responsibility” for attacks including “the antisemitic arson attack on four Hatzola ambulances in Golders Green in March” The same statement further asserted: “members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Qods Force … almost certainly directed IMCR attacks across Europe.” You may recall that clause 15 of the CP’s Social Media Protocol states that members should not promote antisemitic conspiracy theories or conspiracy theories based on unverifiable claims. It is evident that a conspiracy took place because, in law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a criminal offence. Arson is a crime, and three people were filmed setting fire to the vehicles. The existence of a conspiracy is therefore not unverifiable. What remained unverified was any claim about the perpetrators’ motivation, organisation, or links to a specific foreign government. At the time, responsibility for the attack remained a matter of public dispute. Government ministers advanced one interpretation of the evidence. Craig Murray advanced another. Reposting a journalist who qPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2929734
No. Israel is run by a terrorist group and they've killed countless.

>>2929736
Kek. Holy based, so true

>>2929603
Functionally this is not possible because human society is not fully rational.

>>2929603
>>2929755
State mandated gfs wen

>>2928647
>This is an ultra-individualist view
That person talks like that in general in this thread, see:
>>2927709
>womb transplants are now possible
Not artificial wombs, but transplanted real ones. Somebody who is aware that we live in a society would ask how these are to be procured. But I guess to that anon, it's like these things come into existence out of nothing in the act of obtaining (buying?) them.



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I have applied to join the CPC






 

Support for Israeli far right surges among first-time voters, poll finds
Together, the two far-right parties would secure 29 Knesset seats based on voting intentions among first-time voters, according to the poll. They outperformed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, which received 7.95 percent of the vote, equivalent to 14 seats.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-far-right-parties-surge-among-first-time-voters-poll-finds

US harbouring of Assad ex-general raises questions over Syria justice drive
Bassam al-Hassan, a former general who served as a strategic affairs adviser to ousted dictator Bashar al-Assad and acted as a liaison between the presidential palace and Syria’s Scientific Studies and Research Centre (SSRC), is reportedly living in Lebanon under an arrangement involving US and Lebanese authorities.
https://www.newarab.com/news/us-harbouring-assad-ex-general-undermines-syria-justice-drive

Ethiopia and Eritrea accuse one another of launching war
Gedion said that Eritrean troops had advanced up to 60 kilometres (37 miles) into Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region and demanded their withdrawal, just days after the two nations cut diplomatic ties.Eritrea’s Minister of Information Yemane Gebremeskel rejected Ethiopia’s claims. “The Ethiopian regime has been pursuing, in effect, an unprovoked war of aggression against Eritrea for more than three years now,” he said on X.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/9/ethiopia-and-eritrea-accuse-one-another-of-launching-war
https://archive.ph/Ha7qE

Rising food prices and poor rains fuel fears of hunger crisis in Darfur
In West Darfur, particularly the state capital El Geneina, soaring food prices, expensive imports and currency fluctuations have placed further pressure on households. Journalist Mohiuddin Zakaria told Radio Dabanga Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Statement of the Central Committee of the Tudeh Party of Iran on the 85th Anniversary of the Party’s Founding
Statement of the Central Committee of the Tudeh Party of Iran on the 85th Anniversary of the Party’s Founding
Eighty-five years of struggle against imperialism and despotism for the realization of the rights of workers and working people; for the liberation of women from gender and class oppression; for the realization of the right of Iran’s oppressed peoples to self-determination; for building a bright and progressive future for the country’s youth and students; and for peace, independence, freedom, and social justice!
https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2026/09/30/statement-of-the-central-committee-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-on-the-85th-anniversary-of-the-partys-founding/

After Colombia's exit, what is left of the Hague Group?
Under former president Gustavo Petro, the Colombian state found it so difficult to halt coal shipments to Israel through diplomatic and bureaucratic channels that Petro called on the Wayuu, an Indigenous people of La Guajira, to occupy the train lines. Now, his right-wing successor has signed a decree resuming those exports, and Colombia has walked away from the Hague Group, the coalition it once co-chaired to hold Israel to account for breaches of international law. Its departure in August made it the third founding member, alongside Bolivia and Honduras, to leave the Hague Group in six months, leaving co-chair South Africa to steer the bloc alone. The Hague Group was founded in January 2025 by these nations, joined also by Cuba, Malaysia, Namibia and Senegal. "The Hague Group was born to advance international law in an era of impunity," South African Minister of International Relations Ronald Lamola told the meeting. … The group is a kind of coalition of the willing attempting to ensure that international law is enforced in the face of a push by the United States and its allies to dismantle much of the global legal and humanitarian order. Political will is therefore essential. But in Latin America, a region where pink-wave politics once galvanised government support for Palestinians rights, the rise of a new right-wing order has led Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2929618
i'm from mexico and i can't access thenewarab unless i get on a brit vpn


>>2929669
Odd. Here is an achieve it if that helps: https://archive.ph/ekdvI
>>2929675
Here is also another article form a different site talking about the same thing plus archive
https://www.sanjuandailystar.com/post/study-warns-that-food-insecurity-affects-nearly-half-of-puerto-rico-s-adult-population
https://archive.ph/OyKQA

sorry for the hassle

So Ethiopia will try to conquer Eritrea, this is so fucking stupid, Egypt or whatever will support Eritrea, the front will be stuck because drones and thousands of people will die for nothing. Why can't we be fucking friends



 

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2925691
>>2925252
>Korean people
This is a machine translation. The official translation of 한국족속들 was "ROK tribes" lol
https://koreanewsservice.com/en-news/press-statement-of-kim-yo-jong-department-director-of-c-c-wpk-13/

There's any books about North Korea that aren't full blow "NK is le bad" or too "NK is a paradise!" I need books that actually show how life is it there without doomerism or glazing

>>2926853
North Korea Another Country by Bruce Cummings. Very good at explaining the historical and cultural reasons as to why the DPRK does such strange things to our western eyes.

I was hoping there would be more updates & discussion here for my temporary visit. This is one of the only (if not the only) thread on leftypol main board that is genuinely worth visiting. Thanks in part to dprknewsanon.

I wonder how rural rejuvenation campaigns are proceeding. Particularly where infrastructure is concerned (I know there were a few power islands requiring local small scale power plants in many areas, like 500kw to 2mw style scattered around; Obviously expanding the grid would enable far greater scale economies).

>>2926853
'Printed in North Korea'



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