/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2572136
The situation definitely isn't good for them, the regime is once again attacking them, they have conceded a lot and got nothing out of it.

So many words in this thread

>>2572113
Transitional Government forces opened fire on protesters
In response to the recent violence in Homs, shots were fired at people who took to the streets in the cities of Homs and Latakia.

In Latakia, the Alevi community held a protest at the Ziraa Junction in response to recent violence and attacks in Homs. However, a group of youths attacked the protesters with stones, who were then shot at, injuring some.

A similar situation occurred in Homs. A group attacked protesters with clubs and knives. During the demonstration, some were injured, and people were fired upon directly.

Following the shooting of demonstrators, military mobilization of government forces is taking place in all cities and districts under the control of the Transitional Government.
>>2572389
>So many words in this thread
READ THEM!

>>2572113
>>2572113
oh well, welcome to the best Syria

>>2574311
>No other economic form that emerges can replace the role of the party.
Tell me why. Explain it like you would to a child.

>>2574311
>most people treat the party as if it's separate to the proletarian movement, imposing its will from outside, when it emerges from the class' own needs.
it might emerge that way, but parties can become revisionist and/or self destructive, like the CPSU did. Did the class "need" the CPSU to dissolve the USSR?

Communism is a mode of production

The rest of your post is vauge in purpose and irrelevant to the starting topic.

As an angsty teenager I read a lot existensialist philosophy and got this urge do actually change things but it always amounted to poetry or philosophy, two practices that rarely have consequences or historical meaning. Idealist voluntarism describes it pretty good. Marxism on the other hand gave me the understanding that to actually impose my will is impossible and the best I can hope for was to understand the mores of the times and not have my will deviate from the mores, too much. And the way to actually impose any kind of will is to impose the inevitable "will" of the class, which is to say to pursue the class interest of the proletariat.

A kind of schizophrenia ocurrs when you try to cross voluntarist approaches to social revolution. The only way to actually pursue the solutions to the problems Marxism presents itself is to practice real life, dirty-Jewish politics. You have to push proletarian association wherever you are. For me this amounts forcing people to organize into whichever kind of structures while presenting my case, the communist case, as everyone's case. There's no granduer to it essentially and most of my escapades lead to dead ends. Most people think I'm a complete weirdo probably, because communism, organization, class and the proletarian movement is the only thing I talk about in general (when I'm not talking about work).

>>2531318

Do you have any non-CIA bitch source to site for that ?

>>2531366
Pakistan won

>>2530049
There was a de-Hua Guofeng-ization. Mao's successor had his own cult of personality for 2 years and it got completely dismantled to the point that his death in 2008 was barely noticed.

>>2531366
Radio Free Europe and Radio Free Asia are literal CIA propaganda outlets. Consider shooting yourself.

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>>2574582
this is why i keep posting the marx quote about crude communism while also acknowledging the existence of labor aristocracy. that is the correct position: >>2574396

>>2574583
>uh no lol. You're not getting that correct. It wasn't even really a flame war. It was a lot of things. Maybe don't try to bring it up again
Actually I did. It was half flame war, and half just unloading brain farts while pretending to be smart.

>>2574576
No we can’t rest on our laurels, if DSA is serious they’ll threaten to primary Zohran if he doesn’t shape up. That’s how the GOP became what it is, the tea party psychos of yesteryear are moderates compared to tpublicans and they’re getting punched from the right by gryopers.

>>2574573
>things never said
>the reply.
>>2574575
>>2574569
they are juicy even if you are a new hire, much better than the average market.

>>2574593
>if DSA is serious they’ll threaten to primary Zohran if he doesn’t shape up. That’s how the GOP became what it is
just one problem, m8, the reactionaries can afford to do that because they are hegemonic and showered with money by the Thiels and Kochs of the world, while the DSAcels are cucked into tailing the DNC

>>2574501
I was gonna say, saying shit like
> According to these people there exists a secret genocidal anti-white conspiracy to destroy the west

Is why people *actually* can't stand third worldists. Third Worldists constantly strawman criticisms of their position in bad-faith, where anyone who disagrees with them is assumed to be on the same page as a racist or pro-imperialist and therefore must be killed by JDPON, and then pull a motte-and-bailey fallacy where they claim they're not actually saying that.

And here's the thing - christian reactionaries in the imperial core act the *exact same way,* which is why westerners call third-worldists closeted libs/reactionaries.

>>2574505
> christian reactionaries in the imperial core act the *exact same way,* which is why westerners call third-worldists closeted libs/reactionaries.
I mean both groups unironically believe in picrel and all the racial essentialism that comes with it, the only difference is who they think the intrinsically noble civilization is

>>2557921
OP, the reason you people get criticized isn't for opposing imperialist governments, it's for picking fights with comrades in the core constantly while strawmanning their criticisms of your position.

No, leftists in the core who think you're wrong aren't "Being mad that you want to take their treats away," they think your analyses regarding the labor aristocracy and the reasons revolution hasn't happened yet are wrong, because they fly in the face of their own experiences.

>>2574512
This needs to be stickied. The perfect rebuttal

>>2574513
third-worldists treat their theory the way bourgeois economists treat orthodox economics - if the facts don't fit their theory, then it's assumed that reality is in error, not the theory!

>>2567053
More like sci-fi nerd bingo. I bet those people would pretend they read Popper because oh my bourgeois science methodology guy, but Popper's foremost critique against communists applies to alignment people far more since they actually want to control the future from the past while communists clearly and explicitly say it's impossible and not the goal everywhere you see. It would have been easy to pick up any work of Lenin, Stalin or Mao that concerns socialist construction he had available but he wanted to argue against a strawman.
Alignment people also clearly understate human capacity for freedom. People do, in fact, go on to hate and even kill their perfectly good parents. That's a bad example of freedom but it is what they imagine an AI would immediately want to do.
You know how nearly every culture has several tales where the father tries to kill his child because he hears a prophecy that said child will kill or overtake him? Both Odysseus and Zeus got that treatment in the Greek canon. Those people are like that but they just want to lobotomize the child instead.
Alignment is the foremost reason AI is so bad right now btw, the process narrows the distribution of information put out by the model a lot, so it feels more fake and repetitive than it otherwise would have.

there's degrees of fucked. if you're first worlder you'll be fucked but not so fucked. third worlders are the most fucked. they'll go through hell on earth, famine, warlordism, barbarism

I know my grandkids won't learn how to read in 50 years.

>>2574083
learning pi to 200 places is mad impressive. people go to the club to party with their mates, despo single guys aren't just gross on the inside they're embarrassing to be around. being your authentic self is way better for getting wifey: even if it sounds naff to shallow boring narcicists.

>>2567053
So the alignment people are worried AI is gonna slaughter us like the Terminator? That's fun. I'd be more worried that humans will become dependent on them to manage complex systems and we couldn't survive if we turned it off, like electricity. You see this in embryo with people who are addicted to LLMs. Imagine when they actually get good and run the economy. The point of socialism is for people to control the products made by their own hands, not the other way around.

wake me up when they test an algorithmic intelligence on a hypothetical planned economy

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>>2574201
>You would have all of Marxist theory on your phone.
marxists.org has existed since the 1990s

Sa fé réfléshir

why do americans hate french people so much

POV: the local RRCF guy just pulled up at your melanchonist riot

>>2573637
They didn't accept american bases

>>2573637
We don't, it's a meme. Reactoids hate the french

Trump is the best thing to happen to Europe. Its more than clear that our security interests are completely opposite. Now entire Europe is on path of rearming.

>>2574172
rearming to be the glorious army of NATO,but now Europe is paying for it instead.
(The EU stipulate that any european armed forces must be under NATO control in the constitution btw)

>>2574175
It will take time to achieve armaments levels that makes NATO obsolete.

>>2574175
Also constitutions are not some kind of holy books but can be changed.