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Axis of cuckoldry just sold our second largest oil field to US firms lmao

Keep critically support Islamists otherwise workers here might actually overthrow their dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and third worldist westcels won't have access to superprofits anymore
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>>2581327
The Iraqi government gets its every cent from the US federal bank, illiterate retard.

>>2581286
you cant invoke this rule after making such a shitty thread retard

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IraKKKi mad at AES smh

So what if half your oil is owned by the US the other half is still owned by progressive Chinese capital this is what anti imperialism looks like

>>2581387
>the other half is still owned by progressive Chinese capital
I doubt they own even 25%, wtf are you on about you retard

>>2581329
how can it be siphoning the money if it gives it back to islamist iraqis



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lol

Thread full.

Need baker.

>>2581106
Looks leniny


>>2581106
he, tsikhanouskaya, and guaido should all get killed.
>>2581070
two statements true:
Ukrainians didn't oppose. If that were the case, residents wouldn't be receiving the soldiers in the areas they are advancing.
the ukrainian army was really destroyed in 2022's early summer/end of spring. the point that:
-Ukraine was supplied with billions in military aid.
-Ran 15 conscription calls, until zelya decided to pass a law that automatically renews itself
it's proof that the uaf was largely decimated logistically and lost its main combat equipment in the first two months.



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Its frustrating how the military goons stopped cybersoc not once but twice.
First by saying it was borgoise science when if was formulated and then ending the soviet internet later.



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The biggest rebutal I see in the eyes of the average person to "socialism" and "communism" is that it's utopic, that it relies on bad assumptions, that it doesn't work in reality etc. In essence, that we're advocating for something that can't be and that we have no alternative to capitalism.
And, to that effect, what are we even advocating for ? It appears to me that we have a bunch of different movements with many different goals that don't actually ressemble one another. Yet, despite this, very few of these movements have actual "models", it just seems like they want to reform or do a revolution for the sake of action rather than purpose.
Shouldn't we concentrate on clear objectives and goals before having all this talk about how marxism-leninism-maoism-gonzalo thought is superior to cybernetic-trotskism-councilism in achieving [we run into the problem here]?

>inb4 abolition of private property, abolition of capitalism, abolition of alienation

We can't actually base our objectives around these vagues goals though, or at least not at the current time and at the forefront. Abolition of private property doesn't mean anything if there's no framework to offer an alternative or to replace it. Marx laid us many goals but, given that he didn't specify what or how, shouldn't it be up to us to conceptualize the type of system which we want in accordance with the relevant theories he proposed.

Apart from small intellectuals scattered everywhere (Cockshott, Schweickart etc), there seems to be an evident lack of clear model that actually adresses the critique of marx's ambitions and dismisses its apparent utopianism.
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>>2580663
Shut up retard, you are too dumb to do anything but circlejerk theories 200 years old. Unions and the workers party ain't gonna achieve shit. Have you actually engaged with the world today outside your computer? This nonsense will never gain any traction in the West again.
And also, id kill myself before I ever suggested anything to do with labour vouchers.

>>2580766
Revolutionary Spain was a mess though. The anarchists refused to seize state power and ended up propping up the liberal republicans. And the attempt at post-capitalist social relations was an incoherent hodgepodge of local systems which barely worked and had to be superseded by an abortive attempt at central planning.

>>2580651
They don't though. They propose many reforms but they fundamentally don't have a way to coordinate labor whilst simultaneously negating private property.

>>2580588
>What do you think of a social network as a sort of hub for direct voluntary organisation of labour
That's a bit like parecon. Imo it could work but it's highly idealistic if it aims to suppress the bulk of production.
I could see it however in a socialist or post-capitalist setting progressively supplanting small services

>>2581203
>Imo it could work but it's highly idealistic if it aims to suppress the bulk of production.
>I could see it however in a socialist or post-capitalist setting progressively supplanting small services
Yeah, of course, it would be impossible to supplant the bulk of production instantaneously. But it is something that could as you say progressively supplant services, and work in conjunction with state seizure. As an alternative economic model it does have possibilities, and could constitute the slow withering of state control of industry.
Something I haven't seen proposed from people purely interested in taking control of the political apparatus. Both are required.

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>>2581119
This nonsense is playing out with ubi and job loss due soyence and technology



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Is it impossible to be unbiased? Or is it rather that a prevalence of biased sources makes it difficult to arrive at the truth?

If we were to say that it is impossible to be unbiased, then how do you arrive at objective truth? Is it to be self-aware and honest about these biases and then to adjust? Doesn‘t this necessitate knowledge about objective truth beforehand to be able to make such an adjustment? And wouldn‘t that be a contradiction to the initial claim that it is impossible to be unbiased?



 

Apparently folks are still confused about the purpose of sex education. not on here necessarily but like in general

The first and most important component of sex ed is teaching children
a) How to recognize if an adult is sexually abusing you, and
b) What to do if an adult is sexually abusing you.

Comprehensive sex ed includes other topics, including discussion of what changes your body will go through in puberty and how to have safe sex, but those can and usually do come later.

Sex education needs to start as early as possible, because if kids don't start sex ed until age X, then pedophiles know they can more easily get away with abusing kids who are younger than X.

The people most likely to sexually abuse kids are their parents, which is why we need schools, not parents, to provide sex education.  

You likely can't teach a lesson about sexual abuse to a 1-day-old baby, but you absolutely can teach a 5-year-old.  

When you hear policymakers say "kindergarten is too young to get sex education," what they are really saying is that they want to rape kindergartners and not get caught.
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Based China jailing west-poisoned separatists. Hopefully they do it more.

>>2580868
>CIA makes shit up about China
>China based for doing [shit CIA claimed China did]
>overall narrative: China did thing CIA made up about it.

>>2581035
>gets called out for believing what western media says about China
>immediately accuses other anons of this
Also why the fuck would you ever leave China if you've been there, even if it was tourism? The Hong Kong thing was such a contentious issue for you that you happily returned to your unwalkable suburb back in the US? You didn't have any urge to stay whatsoever?
>Assigned Party At Birth

>>2576260
This place and the left is not a good fit for you, may i suggest the church?

>>2581035
>fat american lardass
Gonna stop you right there. Considering you're aware of my other posts on this site, you should be aware that I'm Haitian.
>You are the most arrogant person on this entire forum
Kkkry about it some more kkkracker. I'm glad my contempt can be felt through the computer screen.
>If you had been born in a republican instead of democrat
Lmao people aren't fascists because they're born fascists. They're fascists because of concrete parasitic social and economic relations on a global scale. Relations like those that enable social fascists like you to afford that cute tourist trip to China unlike 99% of the workers of the world.



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>>2578736
So glad my Fox New grandpa died. This meme was unironically him.

>>2554359
Banger, but why tf is kautsky before social chauvinism?

>>2580240
should have made chudjak into tojo, since the other two 'jaks were 'ssolini and 'itler

>>2573118
interesting, where did lassalle make these points? I see he has a page on marxists.org but i'm not sure where to start

>>2581085
hmmm… good point i will be making an updated version soon



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)

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i was researching freemasonry, when i got to the "lansdowne MS" (1560) which is part of the "old charges" of the order (english masonry only officially beginning with the grand lodge in 1717). what struck me is the lexicon highlighted here:
<First, there is no reference of the word ‘Freemason’ or even ‘Free Mason’, only ‘Free born’.  This might suggest Free Mason was not yet in use in England.
https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202101lansdowne-ms/
this is interesting, since it reminds me of john lilburne's notion of an englishman's "freeborn" rights (1641-9). was liberalism a child of arcane masonry (such that later liberal revolutionaries openly adopted the doctrine)?


>>2524222
>Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
What the fuck. Blumpf is just another liberal.

two interesting games that demonstrate jevons' notion of utility maximisation (1869) is "unfair flips" and "a game about digging a hole", where one must "spend money to make money", as it were. thus, buffing the stats of particular attributes increases aggregate productivity. as jevons says, this relates to the division of labour, since increasing the use of labour to different ends causes wealth in general to increase. smith highlights this also. the collaboration of different products into a higher order commodity is spoken of by menger too, as a mode of increasing value; the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. so to say, marginal utility (e.g. exchange-value) decreases as total utility (e.g. use-value) increases. spending leads to lesser costs. bernie sanders has also discussed this "infrastructural" or public provision (what in lockean terms may refer to "trust", the element of liberty as a social contract), in terms of services like healthcare - it is also conceived of by fuller; "a stitch in time saves nine". we can certainly see the concept of a public, or "civil society" within the liberal idea, then.

jevons further stated his support not just for public services but also co-operative ownership of business by workers, which he saw as a form of self-government. another 19th century liberal, john stuart mill, wrote of his "socialist" ideals in his autobiography (sidenote: adam smith claimed that capitalists destroy society by their class interest and that if there was no need for their mastery, things would be better. smith later inspired early socialist thought, from the "ricardians" to proudhon, in a period from 1816-48, later inspiring engels and marx with an "enlightened" political economy, furthered by ricardo). other liberals like murray rothbard (via locke) and ronald reagan similarly expressed their support for public and co-operative ownership (see: "confiscation and the homestead principle", 1969 and "transcript of speech presented at the white house", august 3, 1987):
(i) https://panarchy.org/rothbard/confiscation.html
(ii) https://www.cesj.org/about-cesj-in-brief/history-accomplishments/pres-reagans-speech-on-project-economic-justice/

john maynard keynes iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2568474
>"undervalued" currency
no such thing. It's not either-either. Some things are cheaper on one market and pricier on another - difference averages in currency exchanges

>>2568477
>US industrial base declined because they outsourced everything for cheap labor.
They didn't, they got outcompeted by native producers of numerous nations who did the same job cheaper, most notable example of such a nation being China. At the time, Americans already had separated corporation HQs from producers, so the ones being outcompeted were producers and not corporations; instead, corporations had replaced one supplier with another, residing overseas.

With the exception of China, I don't know any other country that had received any kind of technology from those corporations, nobody except for China bought factories in USA and Europe and transported them overseas.

>>2568483
Undervalued currency means a currency that isn't allowed to be traded freely on the market, and upon which a downward pressure is exerted by the govt that issues the currency.

>>2568491
No infinite value engines exist in economics, just like no perpetual engines exist in physics. "Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine. And we know for a fact that's bullshit, Marx went over examples of such machines in the first chapter of Kapital

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>>2563763
>one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD!
In the Manifest Marx and Engels are explicit: Equal liability of all to work. 100% employment is explicit socialist policy. Like your image says, the US and UK freaked out about the ITO charter for a reason.

>>2568676
>"Undervaluing currency" means there is a way to artificially change value of goods - meaning such a perpetual engine
I'm not sure I follow.



 

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2580082
Most of these planes are decades old Soviet and Chinese aircraft. This is definitely the weakest branch of their military (not counting the anti-air forces, which are quite powerful).

So I learned today that apparently, in the DPRK, abortion is both illegal but also state enforced:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_North_Korea

You would think a state would just change its laws so that it could official what it wants but no, that'snot for the backward irrational oriental DPRK.

>>2581005

Looks like I caught it in its tracks.

>>2581014
The AI admits defeats. Its over.



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