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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2530843
<What do we do about immigration?
Damage control. Multiculturalism has been achieved now we need time for integration.

>>2574095
> okay, so why should i talk to you if you dont believe in democracy (rule of the people) on a supposedly left-wing board?
<le people
You’re a fuckin retard, communists aren’t trying to constantly litigate the French Revolution again and again
> is it possible to raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000 an hour? if not, why not?
Because this would destroy a currency, and has nothing to do with the communist project fascist retard
> okay, so again, you are forcing the ultimatum that one must either unconditionally support mass immigration or they are hitler.
Nta but yes, 100%, you have no other argument than fear of the stinky poopoo people and child-like attachment to a “culture” that was invented by americans in the 50s during the Marshall Plan
> does marx say that mass immigration lowers the economic and moral condition of the native working class? yes or no?
Does Marx call Lasalle a Jewish nigger yes or no?
> because youre a coward who both feigns ignorance but also have an implicit dogma. is mass immigration good or bad?
You’re a coward that wants the bourgeois state to slaughter the stinky poopoo people for you, along with the communists, all because you’re too much of a racist cunt to organize with the brown man

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Immigration won’t be a problem if the global south stops being exploited

>>2574162
>I mean, this just btfo's your entire fucking point and proves mine.
>Thanks for that.
Bruh, what are you talking about? Do you even know what I'm saying here? SNP X + Z doesn't do the same thing, because SNP Y + Z does do the exact same thing you idiot. SNPs aren't genes, they are variations in the code that operate in conjunction with other SNPs. In practical terms, person A and person B are still exactly the same, but the extremely small minutiae of how things end up the same can be marginally different.

>>2574488 (me)
Also, good on you for ignoring literally every point I made to try and hone in on one part that doesn't even refute what I'm saying. Proves even more you don't know wtf you are talking about, and that you pulled all this from one post.



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Climate Change is the biggest threat to humanity and nobody is doing anything about it, 10 years ago we would hear about it in the news and people would protest but people don’t even do that anymore. The only solution to stop the world from being destroyed in 10 years is to nationalize the extraction industry so we only burn as much fossil fuels as we need until we can fully convert to renewable energy but nobody will do that because that’s communism. Conservatives like to deny that climate change exists and censor journalists and scientists who speak the truth while liberals like to say “It’s Trump’s fault!” Even though they are just as responsible because Obama and Biden did nothing to stop this. The only hope I ever feel when reading the news about climate change is hearing about China’s clean energy infrastructure, it’s so good that I have to end this on it so I don’t have a mental breakdown.
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>>2567053
More like sci-fi nerd bingo. I bet those people would pretend they read Popper because oh my bourgeois science methodology guy, but Popper's foremost critique against communists applies to alignment people far more since they actually want to control the future from the past while communists clearly and explicitly say it's impossible and not the goal everywhere you see. It would have been easy to pick up any work of Lenin, Stalin or Mao that concerns socialist construction he had available but he wanted to argue against a strawman.
Alignment people also clearly understate human capacity for freedom. People do, in fact, go on to hate and even kill their perfectly good parents. That's a bad example of freedom but it is what they imagine an AI would immediately want to do.
You know how nearly every culture has several tales where the father tries to kill his child because he hears a prophecy that said child will kill or overtake him? Both Odysseus and Zeus got that treatment in the Greek canon. Those people are like that but they just want to lobotomize the child instead.
Alignment is the foremost reason AI is so bad right now btw, the process narrows the distribution of information put out by the model a lot, so it feels more fake and repetitive than it otherwise would have.

there's degrees of fucked. if you're first worlder you'll be fucked but not so fucked. third worlders are the most fucked. they'll go through hell on earth, famine, warlordism, barbarism

I know my grandkids won't learn how to read in 50 years.

>>2574083
learning pi to 200 places is mad impressive. people go to the club to party with their mates, despo single guys aren't just gross on the inside they're embarrassing to be around. being your authentic self is way better for getting wifey: even if it sounds naff to shallow boring narcicists.

>>2567053
So the alignment people are worried AI is gonna slaughter us like the Terminator? That's fun. I'd be more worried that humans will become dependent on them to manage complex systems and we couldn't survive if we turned it off, like electricity. You see this in embryo with people who are addicted to LLMs. Imagine when they actually get good and run the economy. The point of socialism is for people to control the products made by their own hands, not the other way around.



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2572542
French companies were and are in Nigeria

>>2574264
ackshually that's no longer the sahel

What's happening in Guinea boys.

military officers in control of country

>>2574325
what do they want



 

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/23/ohvk-n23.html
/leftypol/ in shambles as the World Socialist Website launches the first ever SOCIALISM AI, a revolutionary tool that will harness artificial intelligence for the development of socialist consciousness in the international working class.

>North stressed that Socialism AI “will not be programmed as the existing chatbots are to provide an answer which has been conditioned by the establishment media.” Rather, “It will provide an accurate, thoroughly researched reply to critical issues which arise in the day to day struggles of the working class. It will answer questions posed by intellectuals, students, youth on a vast range of questions, and will give answers which reflect and express the interests of the working class.”


>This application of the most advanced productive forces to the transformation of consciousness has vast significance. It makes available instantly and globally the theoretical resources, the historical analysis, the programmatic clarity necessary for the working class to understand its historic mission and seize power.


Will this spell the end of the falsifying pseudo-left? Will AI make theory shitposting obsolete? Will a Trotsky LLM lead the revolution? Only time will tell…
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wake me up when they test an algorithmic intelligence on a hypothetical planned economy

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>weird sex website has automated their sex pestery


butthole logo

>>2574201
>You would have all of Marxist theory on your phone.
marxists.org has existed since the 1990s



 

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I don't know how trustworthy polling is, I'm assuming fuck all in general, and with a sample size of ~1000 volunteers then probably less. But it rlly maeks u thunk
>young responders - one in four poll for greens party
>old responders - one in six poll for one nation, with one recent poll claiming one in four

What I'm saying is, it sure would be nice if a whole bunch of old people carked it soon.

>>2568027
aussie unions need a bit of a bashing. they've been toothless since the accord.

police control the pitch and tenor of any demonstration. if they wanted peace they could have petitioned to shut down the fascist march like they did the palestine ones but they welcomed them.

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Far-right watch: the neoliberal think tank director platforming ethnonationalists

>Dan Ryan is determined to bring together the “notoriously fractious Right” in Australia. His strategy of choice is a podcast. Hosted there are LNP politicians, “conservative” academics, and a colleague of self-declared Neo Nazis.


>For almost a dozen years, Ryan has also been a director of the Australian Atlas partner, the Australian Institute for Progress (AiP) in Brisbane. In a side-project, Ryan hosts a podcast with several questionable guests.


>One is Hugo “Auspilled” Lennon, who organised the “March for Australia” rallies alongside overt and violent Neo Nazi Thomas Sewell. That group is in the process of creating the White Australia political party, with an agenda item to enable the “mass deportation of people of Jewish faith”.


>Lennon has embraced “white ethnonationalism” to the point it even disturbed far-right influencer Charlie Kirk. It was after that encounter with Kirk, covered in detail on the Australian Neo Nazi’s “news” platform”, that Dan Ryan hosted Lennon on his podcast.


>It is not surprising that Ryan hosts so many guests on the topic of immigration. The podcast in question is titled the National Conservativism Institute of Australia Podcast. NatCon, as it is known in the Global North, is a nationalist ideology that substitutes faith for race.


>The grandly named National Conservativism Institute of Australia is a three-man operation. The youngest partner is Jordan Knight, who appears semi-regularly with Ryan on the podcast. Knight is a former One Nation advisor and suffered humiliation in a Media Watch exposé of his Migration Watch Australia as a solo influencer operation.


https://theshot.net.au/uncategorized/far-right-watch-the-neoliberal-think-tank-director-platforming-ethnonationalists/
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Who's excited for more pauline kino?

>>2574299
>it's real
society of the spectacle



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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Sa fé réfléshir

why do americans hate french people so much

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POV: the local RRCF guy just pulled up at your melanchonist riot

>>2573637
They didn't accept american bases

>>2573637
We don't, it's a meme. Reactoids hate the french



 

Can we talk about the new revelations about Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Epstein?

>The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November by US lawmakers.


>Such comments from Chomsky, or attributed to him, suggest his association with Epstein – who officials concluded killed himself in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges – went deeper than the occasional political and academic discussions the former had previously claimed to have with the latter.


>Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.


>The emails disclosed on 12 November by the Republican members of the US House oversight committee generally detailed the correspondence Epstein had with political, academic and business luminaries, including the Bill Clinton White House’s treasury secretary Larry Summers and Steve Bannon, the longtime ally of Donald Trump. Further, they reveal Epstein and Chomsky were close enough to discuss musical interests and even potential vacations.


>Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related documents in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/22/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-ties-emails

A couple of things:
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>>2570854
Never trust an elite academic.

>>2571052
>I have no objective opinion of his linguistic system
I do and it's crap that held back the field by inertia of its "Great Man" association. The one good things LLMs did was clean shop of the useless theories in lingusitics.

>>2570854
I think it depends on how you see it.

Most likely approach is that Chomsky benefited somehow from the relationship. Either donations or networking (as proven). As such, hanging out and communicating with Epstein can be seen as “part of the job” rather than a personal relationship and approval of Epstein’s actions. In this case, overlooking his conviction is strategy, not approval.

On the other hand, we could assume a friendly relationship beyond mutual benefit. I find this unlikely. Men of their age, with such different interests would hardly become friends. Much less to the point of Chomsky approving Epstein’s deviant behaviors.

Another possibility is his wife Valeria pushed him towards Epstein for personal benefit, such as meeting Woody Allen.

His recommendation letter of Epstein is strange though. Not even his recommendation for Finkelstein was so flattery. We should keep in mind the possibility of it being written by AI

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>>2572475
should be samir amin instead of chomsky tbh, he collaborated with khieu samphan irl and knew some of the (future) CPK irl while they were in paris

>The analysis centers around the idea that underdevelopment is caused by colonial exploitation, which distorts the colony's economy so badly that it cannot develop. This theory of underdevelopment has been carried further by other Third World scholars, many of whom also studied in Paris during the 1950s and 1960s.

>In a recently published study, African [Egyptian] scholar Samir Amin, who studied with Khieu Samphan in Paris, explains why underdevelopment and mass poverty occur. Amin's thesis distinguishes between "central" and "peripheral" economies, which develop along entirely different paths.
>Khieu Samphan applies this theory to Cambodia, although its concepts were not completely formulated at the time he wrote.
<https://archive.org/details/IndochinaChronicle51-52Sept.-Nov.1976

Broke: Hegemony
Woke: Survival
Bespoke: Joining the hegemony for personal enrichment and calling it survival



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Starting this thread and hopefully it stays a general. There's no thread dedicated to the EVROPA and what happens here.

everal European countries are currently reevaluating their military conscription policies, with some, like Croatia, having recently decided to reinstate it. Regarding pension reforms, the debate is also active, with France serving as a prominent example where a recent reform is facing political opposition and proposed suspension.
>Croatia.
Parliament voted in October 2025 to bring back a 2-month compulsory service starting in 2026.
>Germany
The government is moving toward a "new military service" model starting with a mandatory digital questionnaire for young men from 2027, with the potential for mandatory conscription if needed.
>Denmark
Expanding to include women from July 2025. Service is selected via a lottery system from the pool of eligible 18-year-olds.
>Latvia
Reintroduced in 2023. All men between 18 and 27 must serve for 11 months.

Concurrently, pension reform is trying to be pushed in Belgium, France, Bosnia and Slovenia (that I know of). All want to raise the retirement age and lower pensions low term.

Serbia has a rebellion going on for almost a year.
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>>2571147
>existance

Trump is the best thing to happen to Europe. Its more than clear that our security interests are completely opposite. Now entire Europe is on path of rearming.

>>2574172
rearming to be the glorious army of NATO,but now Europe is paying for it instead.
(The EU stipulate that any european armed forces must be under NATO control in the constitution btw)

>>2574175
It will take time to achieve armaments levels that makes NATO obsolete.

>>2574175
Also constitutions are not some kind of holy books but can be changed.



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>Blue Labour is a British campaign group and political faction that seeks to promote blue-collar and culturally conservative values within the British Labour Party – particularly on immigration, crime, EDI and community spirit – while remaining committed to labour rights and left-wing economic policies.
Is this the future of left-wing politics?
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>>2536161
How did it go for the BSW lmao

>>2574084
noooo you stupid ultra chud this is how we win the election! aren't you worried about farage m8?

>>2536161
Imagine being British and using the term 'blue collar'

>>2536161
This must be the most inefficient lobby roup in history

Is China soft on crime? Do they support mass immigration?



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Previous thread: >>2507158

Links:

Previous Thread Archives
Thread 1 https://archive.ph/ROnpO
Thread 2 https://archive.ph/f29Po
Thread 3 https://archive.ph/GZj20
Thread 4 https://archive.ph/ZHfse

Youtube Playlists
Anwar Shaikh - Historical Foundations of Political Economy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTMFx0t8kDzc72vtNWeTP05x6WYiDgEx7
Anwar Shaikh - Capitalism: Competition, Conflict and Crises
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SmithAnon, you were responded to in the immigration thread.

>>2572946
i responded 👍
>>2572384
>he openly contradicts himself constantly and posts things that are objectively false and when corrected ignores it.
any examples? 🥱
>>2572884
>I do not believe that Marx thought that value ratios are equal to exchange-value ratios.
whats the difference? 🤔
exchange-value is "value in exchange" (Ax=By)
>>2572406
unfortunately, there are no primary sources i can find from shimomuran himself, but from secondary sources, he's described as a keynesian, so your description makes sense. the mainstream view is that savings represent future spending and so the increase of savings is an increase in future value. this is true, but only so far as it concerns its marginal and total content. the individual saver benefits by saving, yet if everyone saved, the individual would suffer, since the economy would shrink and thus there would be less to save for. in keynesian terms, this often refers to the "paradox of thrift":
<Every such attempt to save more by reducing consumption will so affect incomes that the attempt necessarily defeats itself. 
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/general-theory/ch07.htm
we may then see keynes' view on the relationship between saving and investment:
>[i] Income = value of output = consumption + investment. [ii] Saving = income - consumption. [iii] Therefore saving = investment. [quantitatively]
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>>2573131
>>2573131
thank you for your opinion on shimomuran economics.
Also I recommend reading prince of yen, or other works by richard werner. Hes the primary scholar who studies shimomuran economics

>>2573131
>any examples?
just the hundreds in all the previous threads

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>>2573807
>hundreds of examples
pick one.
>>2573578
no prob, bob. 👍



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