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Nationalists (including fash and friends-of-fash) are trying to promote a march and one of the locations is a park about two blocks south of me. There's just under a month to prepare.

If we're lucky there might be a dedicated counter-protest but I'd like to salt the soil for a bit of fun. Nothing worth getting v& for. So, what can I do to fuck with them?

dubs decides what sticker design I order and plaster around the place
(picrels from nukech /farcism/)
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>>2437667
i want to impregnate that cat girl

me personally, I would use stink bombs (monkeywrenching pdf has some good recipes) and bluetooth speakers playing ridiculous brainrot soundbites or shit like ram ranch at first. Also this is riskier but you can just buy DMSO online, smear a gay pride flag or some other bait object with DMSO and straight up bleach and it'll absorb through there skin lol.

>>2441189
>I would use stink bombs (monkeywrenching pdf has some good recipes)
Good idea as these cause no harm other than humiliation.

sorry OP but i dont think they will give a fuck no matter what you do



 

1. Religion is the opium of the people.
2. Religion justifies an unequal social order.
3. The problem of an afterlife gives people something to look forward to after death.
4. Religion makes a virtue out of suffering.
5. Religion offers the false hope of supernatural intervention to improve current conditions.
6. Religion is a form of social control.
7. The bourgeoisie and religious authorities also support other more overtly brutal methods of control.
8. The bourgeoisie fund the religious institutions.
9. The religious institutions are class-collaborationist and legitimize bourgeois power through ideas like "prosperity gospel."
10. Religion is not necessary under socialism or communism.
11. Religion has no purpose if there is no longer clas society since its purpose is to justify an unequal social order and to provide the exploited with a coping method with their misery.
12. With communism and decent working conditions controlled by the workers religion will wither away.
13. Religion creates false consciousness.
14. Religion mystifies material phenomena.
15. Religion teaches that human misery is a result of divine will.
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>>2449965
Fuck off liberal

>>2449965
>Marx fantasized about a non alienated world where the average person can hunt, fish, and relax all in one day and nobody would be hungry, nobody will suffer, nobody will have unfulfilled wants and everything will exist in abundance.
wow really he just fantasized about it and didn't offer a materialist framework for how to achieve it? did he really just think it would happen because of ideas and willpower?

>>2449781
>Work or die, they say, just like the capitalists
I'd like to point out that this is true for pretty much all life on earth. Birds hunt for food, fish hunt for food, bacteria wiggle around for food, just as humans do. In general, you don't really get to do nothing and survive. There is a criticism to be made about marxist ideology taking on the role of some surrogate religion but this aint it.

>>2450021
Marx’s vague idea of communism is unachievable because he made one fatal assumption. That there’s a seemingly infinite supply of resources to exploit, so achieving communism is really just a matter of more efficient resource exploitation, higher productivity, better technology, and a more efficient means of distribution than market economies. In actual fact, the resources on Earth are finite and we’re already running out of them. The planet itself is now facing severe ecological catastrophe because of liberal capitalist efforts to ruthlessly exploit it. Marxist states are also driven by the impetuous to ruthlessly exploit nature, just look at all the environmental disasters the Soviets had a hand in. It doesn’t help that Marx’s idea of a communist society is vague and fantastical. It seems to offer an aristocrat’s life for everybody but there’s no way literally everybody can have that life because of basic geospatial limits. How would you create that kind of abundance for people who live in the Sahara desert? Terraforming? Development? Deport them to the cities as the neoliberal development agencies say? Who will feed those cities? Marx may have has a so called scientific method, but that means nothing if the end goal is a pipe dream.

>>2450034
Right, everybody does stuff to make a living. But this overlooks the problem of alienation that Marx points out. Labor in industrial societies is exploited much more intensively than the small peasant on his plot of land or the pastoral nomad. Those people generally work less than the average office employee or factory worker. The idea of “hey guys we can create a heaven on earth right now just work harder” (something both liberals and Marxists tell people) led to an obsessive work culture. In capitalist societies, people are worked to death by the cruel optimism that they can get something better soon. In Marxist states, they were told to work themselves to the bone for the state to build socialism and reap benefits that would never come and a communism they will never see.

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>>2450239
I think you make the mistake of thinking of marxists as rigid dogmatists who seek to simply enforce a specific order of things which isn't the case. The primary objective of communists isn't to fulfill a utopian vision pre-prepared and laid out beforehand, marxists precisely oppose such utopian thinking. Rather, it is to neutralize class and continue the development of human society free of it's fetters. Marx doesn't have specific plans for what policies to enact under communism because it is impossible to know the fine particulars, only the general characteristics. That is, a stateless free association of producers. There is no contradiction between this and sustsinable living with the earth.
>(…) so achieving communism is really just a matter of more efficient resource exploitation, higher productivity, better technology, and a more efficient means of distribution than market economies.
You're missing the key difference, detaching from profit driven production for exchange and the search for new markets. Where the capitalist must always expand regardless of need, that isn't the case for the communist. There is no reason why the vast productive forces now in existence cannot be turned to the common good of all people.
Also
>told to work themselves to the bone for the state to build socialism and reap benefits that would never come
Is a silly thing to say considering the massive advances that socialist nations made in regards to quality of life across the board. When people work for socialism, they get benefits.



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Suspicion is growing among Brazilian intelligence agents that the Bolsonaro supporters' actions are not being organized by organic movements within the country, but rather by a meticulously rehearsed script by the White House, with the participation of the CIA.

In recent days, Eduardo Bolsonaro's aggressiveness against the Federal Police, against Supreme Court justices, his attitude of defying even the rules of his mandate, and his increasingly radical rhetoric have raised alarm bells.

The first of these is due to the certainty of being able to speak and misinform, without any fear of facing justice.

The second suspicion concerns the aggressiveness of Donald Trump's own actions. He reserved the highest tariffs and harshest rhetoric for Brazil, and closed the door to any dialogue with the Lula administration.

"This is a typical script drawn up by the CIA, feeding national actors to justify a foreign strategic interest," said an Abin agent abroad.

In 2022, in the midst of Jair Bolsonaro's preparations for a coup, Joe Biden's then-CIA chief traveled to Brazil to deliver a message to the Brazilian military: an adventure against the country's democracy would not have American backing.

Today, the suspicion is that the new Trump administration has a different stance. Indeed, the White House's efforts are to assert that actions are being taken to "defend" Brazilians, not against them. The Bolsonaro clan is the straw man. The sanctions would be implemented, officially, not to serve US strategic interests, but supposedly to enforce "freedom in Brazil."

The script has all the necessary ingredients to construct a rhetoric suitable for action. There is a group of supposed "exiles"—such as Eduardo Bolsonaro, Allan dos Santos, and Paulo Figueiredo—there is a "wronged" individual who is "loved by the people"—former President Jair Bolsonaro—and there is a supposedly dictatorial regime, represented by Alexandre de Moraes and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
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>>2406453
What is a liberashka doing here?

>>2402482
I mean.. what? They already *know* that operation "Car Wash" or whatever was a judicial coup. The Brazilian government could already credibly accuse the USA of massive electoral interference to put Bolsonaro in power.

This sounds like the Euros wondering aloud who could possibly do the NS bombing, or the KSA floating the idea of trading their oil in Yuan. It sounds like pointless, go nowhere "diplomacy" to tighten the screws on the USA and ask for concessions. Only to get slapped back into shape, like the liberal cucks they are.

>>2406452
Because it's not in the interest of certain sectors of north american imperialism. The brazilian supreme court is near ceding to the american pressure for an amnesty on all involved in the 8/1.

After that, Bolsonaro or an puppet candidate will manage to beat Lula after all the wear the court caused to Lula government's image by all the censorship, persecution and retarded measures it used. The far-right is in an all time high and the Popular Front brought by Lula and his party will turn on him the second he shows the slight signal of weakness. Ending in him arrested again and this time for life (he's pretty old already)

It's pretty much over for the Brazilian Left at this point. All of Lula's possible sucessors are even more reformist socdems, democrat party copycats and internet tankies, none interested in any kind of structural reforms, class consciousness or rupture with the slaveholder national bourgeoisie owner of all brazilian agro industry.

>>2436099
big if true!

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>>2436099
>The brazilian supreme court is near ceding to the american pressure for an amnesty on all involved in the 8/1.
No it is not.



 

In a completely communist society where private property and ownership has been abolished how would pets be seen? Would it be ownership of private property and thus le bad or what?
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>>2449333
It's a funny theory but it doesn't really add up. Both are the same Type of Guy however.

I post the Pet thread not because I agree btw but because it's part of the discourse history on this and people should be reminded how fucking stupid some of the people in our ranks can be.

Pets take up way too many resources.

Pets would be simply your roomates and comrades under communism, same for kids. No ownership of one individual over another, regardless of species or one individual's parentage over another. This way you don't get parents with petbourg mindsets about their children.

>>2449291
I mean there is a very real chance that the ownership of animals will be *Aufhebung* in communist society and the idea of ownership, especially of sentient beings, will simply be alien to people




 

Really, Vimana engines were already patented as early as 1851 by Michael Faraday, however using mercury alone wouldn't have worked using the technology they had back then.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KqvthexkLN0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRo5xvEkdM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iWamgi1Mu1Y

Xerum 525 is more credible than you think because BepiColombo and its orbiters, the MPO and Mio, which study Mercury's plasma and magnetic environment, or the VASIMR engine, a type of plasma propulsion system being developed for potential future space travel. Mercury's own magnetic field interacts with solar plasma, a key aspect studied by these probes.

When you start thinking in terms of plasma physics and magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the idea of a mercury-based plasma interacting with strong EM fields isn’t inherently impossible. It’s just extremely difficult to control.

Mercury vapor can be ionized into plasma relatively easily. Mercury-vapor lamps are a mundane example. Ionized mercury has both charged particles and a magnetic moment (for Hg-199/Hg-201), meaning it will interact strongly with magnetic and electric fields. This is exactly what probes like BepiColombo’s MPO and Mio study on Mercury in how charged particles in the solar wind interact with a magnetic field and how plasma behaves in a dynamically moving, magnetized environment. So, from a plasma-interaction standpoint, Xerum 525-like fluids could plausibly produce unusual electromagnetic phenomena, if someone could spin, ionize, and contain them.

VASIMR (Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket) uses radiofrequency (RF) waves to ionize a propellant (like argon, xenon, or hydrogen) into plasma. Then accelerates it via magnetic fields, producing thrust. If you replace the propellant with mercury vapor, you get a high-density, highly conductive plasma. Could in principle generate strong EM interactions with nearby conductors or magnetic fields. But it's very unstable and hazardous — probably lethal to anyone nearby without heavy shielding.
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>>2449719
aliens gave them anti grav tech and a bunch of other shit inorder to kill a sleeping god, they failed so aliens went to the usa to get them to kill god

>>2450048
>they failed so aliens went to the usa to get them to kill god
This was doing the cold war

Master race confirmed. The lesser races are only fit to kiss the feet of Germans

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>>2450300
germ man




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>Socially degenerate as the libs, economically out of touch as the Neo-cons
>the literal worst of both worlds
Still, why did libertarianism become strangely popular among various types of popular media figures, like comedians, filmmakers, and actors?
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>>2413258
>vital for the functioning of society and used by absolutely everyone
communism, well-known to want to preserve the functioning of existing society and help absolutely everyone

>>2413254
Basically everybody but the libertarians (and you over here as well) agrees that "capitalism ok but it MUST be supervised by the GABERMENT!!!" All mainstream politicians will tell you that. Nazis and (modern) leftists too. They don't only say that, they are DOING it.
Who is exactly brainwashed here.

>>2232027
>>2232049
Vo Nguyen Giap described it as such
>''We were not strong enough to drive out a half-million American troops, that wasn't our aim. Our intention was to break the will of the American government to continue the war. Westmoreland was wrong to expect that his superior firepower would grind us down. If we had focused on the balance of forces, we would have been defeated in two hours. We were waging a people's war

>>2413341
Capitalism isn't ok and thats why it must be controlled by the government. Capitalism is a dying system and the reason why the Left supports state control of capitalism is to ensure an easy transition to a post capitalist economy and avoid bloodshed

>>2447250
Leftists talk about Vietnam as a mythology rather than a war. There's no mention of strategies, attritions, tactics, what worked and what didn't, or the military modernization that was key to defeating the South. It's simply a myth of the farmers defeating the strongest Empire. It's no different from American nationalists and their farmers defeating the strongest Empire. The latter also forgot that they had the support of a superpower and that it was the modernized Army that defeated the British.



 

Protesters throw rocks at Argentine President Milei’s convoy while he campaigns
Demonstrators hurled rocks at a convoy carrying Argentina’s libertarian President Javier Mieli on Wednesday as his campaign caravan cut through Buenos Aires province, the cradle of the country’s left-leaning opposition movement. Milei came away unharmed, his spokesperson said, but the attack on his motorcade cut short the high-profile rally and ratcheted up tensions just days before consequential provincial elections in Buenos Aires, where more than a third of Argentines live.
https://apnews.com/article/argentina-javier-milei-karina-milei-cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner-peronism-e9f6fbd66fa2decba33f14e7aab78f84

Findings of Spying on Ecuadorian Social Leaders Revealed
The Indigenous and Peasant Movement of Cotopaxi (MICC) revealed findings that confirm the State’s spying and persecution of Ecuadorian social leaders through undercover agents. The organization from Cotopaxi, an Andean province in Ecuador, extracted information from the cell phones of three police officers who were detained in the community of San Ignacio for the persecution and alleged attempted murder of indigenous leader Leonidas Iza. The MICC warned that undercover work through infiltrated journalists and other means would allow the government to illegally obtain specialized reports on the activities of leaders and activists.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/findings-of-spying-on-ecuadorian-social-leaders-revealed-2/

Colombia to progressively impose sanctions on Israel, promote Palestinian rights
In the directive, Petro ordered government institutions to impose sanctions on Israel and to ensure Palestine is recognized effectively as a nation-state. The revised measures must be “implemented progressively, in accordance with the budgetary, legal, and regulatory capabilities.” The President’s directive seeks to ensure compliance with the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which in July last year said that Israel’s 1967 occupation of Palestinian territories is unlawful.
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Five current and ex-Microsoft workers arrested at sit-in over Israeli military ties
At least two current and three former Microsoft employees – as well as two other tech workers – were arrested at the company’s headquarters after staging a sit-in demonstration at the company president’s office urging that Microsoft cut ties with the Israeli government. Police placed the protesters in full-body harnesses and carried them out of the building, according to Abdo Mohamed, a former Microsoft worker and who helped organize the demonstration. “No arrests, no violence, will deter us from continuing to speak up,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/26/microsoft-employee-sit-in-israeli-military-ties

Israeli official Alexandrovich skips US court hearing on child sex charges
On Wednesday, Chesnoff suggested that he had a deal with prosecutors relating to Alexandrovich’s court appearances going forward. “My client is not here. We have an agreement with the state, and I informed your staff earlier that he was not going to be here,” the lawyer told the court.But Schifalacqua said the district attorney’s office has “no authority to waive appearances” at a felony arraignment. “Nobody got a waiver from my court,” Schifalacqua said. Eventually, Chesnoff and the court agreed that Alexandrovich would appear remotely before the court next week, on September 3, for his arraignment – a hearing where he would be formally presented with the charges and enter a plea of guilty or not guilty.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/27/israeli-official-alexandrovich-skips-us-court-hearing-on-child-sex-charges
https://archive.ph/Ro9MW

Judge questions if Spanish-language journalist can stay in immigration detention without charges
DeKalb County prosecutors within days dismissed all charges Guevara faced related to the protest, which included unlawful assembly and obstruction of police. The sheriff’s office in neighboring Gwinnett County then took out warrants charging Guevara with Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

On the Twenty-Fourth Anniversary of the Martyrdom of the Secretary-General, Commander Abu Ali Mustafa: PFLP
“With the unity of our people, our resistance, and by harnessing the energies of the Arab nation, we can stop the genocide and thwart the ‘Greater Israel’ plan.” “If I fall, take my place, my comrade in the struggle.” O valiant masses of our people in the homeland and the diaspora Sons of our Arab nation and the free people of the nation and the world, We commemorate the twenty-fourth anniversary of the martyrdom of the Secretary-General of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the great national and pan-Arab leader, Abu Ali Mustafa. He was assassinated by treacherous zionist aircraft while performing his national duties in his office in the occupied city of Ramallah, in a perfidious zionist crime. He left behind an honorable legacy of sacrifice and giving, immortalizing his presence in the record of the great and eternal figures. The enemy tried to assassinate the idea by assassinating its holder, but Abu Ali’s blood turned into a flame that illuminates the paths of resistance and fighters. His immortal testament, “We returned to resist, and on the principles, we do not compromise,” remains alive among the generations of our people. The national leader dedicated his life to Palestine and returned to the occupied homeland believing that resistance and unity are the only path to freedom and return. He was a living symbol of a resistant Palestine, a voice for the poor and the toilers, a conscience for the unity of our people, and an example of revolutionary steadfastness and resolve that knows no compromise.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/21112/

Greedflation With A Side Of Gaslighting
A new study shared exclusively with The Lever details how corporate media has routinely downplayed the effects of corporate greed on price increases, often citing industry talking points or providing no explanation at all for crippling inflation over the past few years. Lawmakers then parroted these anti-greedflation narratives as they slashed pandemic aid, blocked spending, and abandoned efforts to increase the national minimum wage. Now, with greedflation making a comeback as companies use President Donald Trump’s tariff threats to justify jacking up prices, the study’s co-author warns thatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

Thank you based news anon



 

As an American Leftist, can one of you guys give a single good argument on why I shouldnt vote for Massie?
In general Anti-Interventionist, most Anti-Israeli Congressman, doesn't larp as a Working Class Hero, Proletarian Class Consciousness continues to grow, would actually expose the Epstein ring. I agree voting in Socialism is retarded and never will work, but the genocide of the Palestinians can be stopped and Massie is the guy to do it imo.
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I was also thinking about doing this cynically but do not waste any time hoping he will actually change our policy on Israel, I highly doubt he will be able to. But since it hardly matters which side wins at any given time, one might as well try to stick a symbolic middle finger at israel

>>2450080
ZOG goes too deep for one man to stop it. Ultimately if he gets too uppity they will JFK him. But like you say, it's about sending a message.

>>2450059
Honestly I've been finding more reasons to vote republican over dems too

>voting

vote for whoever you want you treatlerite. shit will get worse anyway



 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/05/06/urgent-appeal-stop-the-judicial-coup-in-south-korea-and-defend-democracy/
>Urgent Appeal: Stop the Judicial Coup in South Korea and Defend Democracy
<On May 1, 2025, South Korea’s Supreme Court issued a politically charged decision that overturned the acquittal of opposition leader Lee Jae-myung, the leading candidate in the upcoming presidential election, on charges of election law violation. Lee had endured intense repression under the administration of impeached former president Yoon Suk-yeol, having been subjected to investigation by over 200 government prosecutors, but despite countless allegations, these nearly non-stop investigations failed to result in a conviction. Now, with South Korea gearing up for a historic snap election on June 3, 2025 following Yoon’s ouster, authorities are once again attempting to convict Lee to remove him from the political playing field.
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>>2391930
>stop the steal
Gusanoes can't even come up with anything original

https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1210284.html
>[Column] How low were Yoon and band of traitors willing to stoop?
<A court recently rejected a special counsel team’s request for an arrest warrant for Kim Yong-dae, the former head of the Korean military’s Drone Operations Command. The court made the decision based on the grounds that the warrant would restrict the suspect’s right to due process, but the investigative team maintains that there is no problem with its investigation, as the probe has already secured a large amount of evidence appearing to show that Kim ordered the deployment of drones to Pyongyang and attempted to cover up the fact afterward.
>However, this case is not only concerned with administrative violations such as the forgery of official documents or abuse of power. The more fundamental issue lies in the fact that these drone operations were utilized to create a temporary security crisis to induce a national emergency that could artificially provide the grounds for the declaration of martial law.
<Kim began reviewing a specific operation to fly drones over Pyongyang by forming a “North Korea Task Force” in June 2024. This task force utilized a strange operational reporting system that connected the Drone Operations Command directly to the Office of National Security in the presidential office.
>Deploying drones over Pyongyang was a dangerous operation that could have triggered military conflict on the Korean Peninsula at the drop of a hat. The operation aimed to goad North Korea into a response that was not too aggressive or, conversely, too passive. In other words, it had to be a highly precise and political operation that keenly predicted and lured North Korea into a specific kind of response. A military crisis would have to happen on the Korean Peninsula, but not one that could blow out of proportion; it had to be an adequate crisis that was capable of being effectively dealt with.

>>2408227
this stuff failed miserably iirc, with the DPRK downing the drones and uploaded images of them, reporting this incident as by the military of rok.

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https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1211737.html
>D-1 to Kim Keon-hee’s questioning: Reviewing the allegations against Korea’s former first lady
<For now, the team is focusing its investigation on three major areas: allegations that Kim received expensive gifts from the Unification Church via a shamanic figure; allegations that she interfered in PPP nominations; and allegations that she profited personally through manipulations of Deutsch Motors stock prices

https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/1215340.html
>‘Purge or Revolution’? Post by Trump prompts confusion ahead of US-Korea summit
<The post echoed rhetoric by far-right figures who have gained influence in the White House

https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/1215339.html
>Trump walks back concerns of ‘purge’ in Korea, calling it ‘a misunderstanding’
<The US leader’s shocking social media post prior to his meeting with the South Korean leader didn’t appear to hinder talks between the two in Washington

https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1215540.html
>Lee’s chief of staff joined US trip to prevent conspiracy theories from derailing Trump summit
<The unusual move by the South Korean presidential office’s chief of staff to join the president for the trip to Washington was reportedly aimed at curbing MAGA attacks against Lee



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>killed tens of thousands of native americans
>forgotten and ignored
>committed several war crimes killing millions total
>forgotten and ignored
>literally only 3000 people die in a terrorist attack
>MUH HECKIN' THREE THOWSAND ODER SO!!!!!!!
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>>2448315
giga trvke

>>2448315
>THERE WAS NO NUREMBERG FOR JAPANESE WAR CRIMINALS
Actually, there was. The International Military Tribunal for the Far East and the Khabarovsk Tribunal. Also, China prosecuted and executed several Nanjing Massacre perpetrators.

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>>2448469
>China prosecuted and executed several Nanjing Massacre perpetrators

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>>2448247
>chud is too busy swallowing semen to further whiten his skin
I'M SHITTING MYSELF LAUGHING

>>2448315
the funniest part is Hess was probably just insane and easily the least deserving of a life sentence all the while Speer (imo the true architect of the Holocaust) got 20 years.



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