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I tell you these things because I know you won't believe me, which I find vindictively and contemptuously amusing. So when you ignore me and call me a paranoid-schizophrenic conspiracy theorist I can have the last laugh when all the below and far more happens – as you all are slapped in chains, herded into boxcars, towards your designated FEMA deathcamp or 15-minute SMART City of their choosing (or else… *rifles clicking*), you'll be sobbing and wailing, "Why didn't anyone warn us?! How could this be happening!? Who saw this coming!!" I'll be there in spirit, smirking, hissing in your ears: "Told ya so. You could have stopped this. But you chose to laugh at and insult us insane far-right misinformation super-spreaders and anti-vaxxer bigots and science- and climate-denying experts-distrusters. Don't call it a grave, it's the bed you made."

It's almost here, didn't you know? The coming Obsidian worldwide social credit score and central bank digital currency? No one seems to have a clue all which has been planned for CENTURIES is going to be fully implemented by at most 2030 in events dubbed The Great Reset (formerly known as United Nations Agenda 2030) and possibly the culmination of UN's Kalergi Plan, Tikkan Olam and its planned enslavement of Amalek (You!), and the next stage of Operation Lockstep (covid30?) which will be the real deal and actually lethal where all "anti-vaxxers" will be herded into the FEMA deathcamps (YOUR name is on a FEMA coffin, right now!), which will be the event horizon from which we may never escape technocrat-oligarchy and neo-feudalist medical tyranny where "you will own nothing and you will be happy" and worldwide human population will be artificially capped at half a billion as per the old Georgia Guidestones.

The Fourth Industrial Revolution and The Great Reset are right around the corner, just over the horizon, and you suckers don't have a clue. There's a sucker born every minute – guess who? You! Yes, it's true! Never give a sucker an even break! Perhaps Noah Yuval Harari, Larry Fink, Bill Gates, and Jacob Rothschild are right in naming us poor people "useless eaters" because we're too frightened to name (((them))).

You all have the power to stop it RIGHT NOW – the pain of a revolution isn't nearly as bad as the hell we will get for continuing to obliviously keep sitting in the boiling pot – you all could terminate the coming globalist-technocracy RIGHT NOW in the wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Some anarchist paranoid schizo came to our org two weeks ago and I listened to them ramble for ten minutes, politely nodding and humoring them just to see if there was anything important buried in their pseudoanalysis. There wasn't.

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>>2578712
you're retarded and shouldn't be humored

>if you ignore me and call me a schizo I win
gg no re

OP is right. I work for FEMA and we're totes going to round up and gas antivaxxers. The average user of this site has nothing to worry about, though. Only chuds are going to be culled.
Viva Obamunism!

>>2578712
they didnt care at palestine so the world will burn may they wake up and fight the evildoers or may they suffer the same fate they tolerated when it happened to palestine, indeed we are only the test population for them and it will be repeated worldwide by the international bankers, western leftists are delusional thinking they will stop after us do they not see how they have hijacked the banks worldwide? using their finances to influence politicians and laws? theres capitalists worldwide collaborating but the ones doing the steering are the zionists are they blind to that? if so may they feel it soon so maybe then they wake up


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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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everyone pays attention to MONATIO, nobody pays attention to the Sip Song Chau Tai that existed for well over a decade

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>>2575338
excuse me anon i am silly, primary source overdose i guess ┐(´～｀;)┌
>he's one of the more left-wing historians who wrote about the KR.
would you say there are more of them that you're familiar with?

>>2575353
thank you, noticed that their wikipedia page has a link to FULRO, the actually CIA-sponsored anti-vietnamese and anti-communist ethnic/religious minority rebels in vietnam and cambodia. also sponsored by earlier sihanouk and lon nol, allegedly china too. nate thayer talked to some of their remains in the 90s, apparently they weren't even aware of their leader's death back in 1975

>When two correspondents visited FULRO’s remote guerrilla headquarters last month, they found an army unaware of the world around them and desperately seeking instructions and resupply from their leadership.
>Col. Ayun and his lieutenants gathered around the reporters, hungrily seeking information. “Please, can you help us find our president, Y’Bham Enuol?” Colonel Ayun asked. “We have been waiting for contact and orders from our president since 1975. Do you know where he is?”
>Neither Ayun nor his troops, who gathered around to meet the first journalists to find them since they fled to the jungles after the American defeat in Indochina in 1975, knew that their leader was executed 17 years before by the Khmer Rouge.
>They fell silent when informed; some wept quietly.
>Situated in a string of five villages carved out of dense forest along a raging river, the group of 407 guerrillas and their families have no access to even the smallest luxury items except from fighters returning from Vietnam.
<https://natethayer.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/vietnam-era-renegade-army-discovered-lighting-the-darkness-fulros-jungle-christians/

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Can you name them all?

>>2578917
Sihanouk, uncle ho, and brother number 1?

>>2578956
close enough, leftmost is Kaysone Phomvihane - Laotian communist [Lao People's Revolutionary Party & Pathet Lao] leader and first president of Lao People's Democratic Republic


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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2575635
Even those authoritarian communists argue that its a necessary temporary phase to protect revolution from internal and external counter-revolutionaries. Anyone thinking that real communism is when there is a literal strong man dictatorship and youre a slave to state is mildly put ignorant about this topic.

>>2571366
>"Palestinians are reactionary" the only thing you're educating people about is that 'Marxism is for spiritually Israeli armchair pseuds'
Wrong. In scientific socialism, any violence by a subjugated population without even bourgeois rights under imperialist capitalism is acceptable in order to acquire economic sovereignty. You can see this with Marx accepting the separation of Ireland from England if the alternative is the continuation of the subjugation and exploitation of Irish workers, as long as it is not possible to organize English and Irish workers because of English chauvinism that deceives workers into not acquiring solidarity, then separation is an acceptable alternative so that in the future a socialist federation can be formed with more equal relations between Irish and English, but remembering that the ideal would be to organize English and Irish workers together for a socialist revolution acting together. This already helps to understand the position of defending the self-determination of nations that Lenin wrote.

Now let's start by explaining to you the question of what capitalist imperialism is with Lenin:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2571366
>I've never once heard a single Marxist podcast talk to their undocumented slaves who actually have the jobs that depicted in the symbol of communism. Marxists have spent more time talking to worthless labor aristocrats like Contrapoints. Its impossible to explain why!

Contrapoints is not a Marxist, therefore it's irrelevant to what I'm writing. Remembering that I am from the so-called global south and I have solidarity with all workers of the world, including those of the so-called "first world," so that the proletariat acquires political supremacy to abolish private property in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Since you are talking about the labor aristocracy, then I have a quote for you from the source with Lenin that demonstrates that you do not know that this labor aristocracy is a small minority group of workers that exists to sabotage the workers' movement and weaken it by serving the bourgeoisie, deceiving other workers, but the victory in the class struggle of the working class also benefits this labor aristocracy that is acting as class traitors, unlike the discourse of resentment against first-world workers that third-worldists have been talking about, equating the interests of first-world workers with capitalist imperialism to create passivity and resentment, thinking that scientific socialism is based on a moralism of feeling pity for third-world workers:

<In a letter to Marx, dated October 7, 1858, Engels wrote: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.” In a letter to Sorge, dated September 21, 1872, Engels informs him that Hales kicked up a big row in the Federal Council of the International and secured a vote of censure on Marx for saying that “the English labour leaders had sold themselves”. Marx wrote to Sorge on August 4, 1874: “As to the urban workers here [in England], it is a pity that the whole pack of leaders did not get into Parliament. This would be the surest way of getting rid of the whole lot.” In a letter to Marx, dated August 11, 188Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Post-the holiday, so I can talk a bit.
>>2574095
>okay, so why should i talk to you if you dont believe in democracy (rule of the people) on a supposedly left-wing board? you dont appear to believe in anything anyway.
Left wing isn't synonymous with democracy. There have been plenty of political movements which style themselves as "democratic" which operate with strictly anti-leftist goals. Bordiga outlines my issues with democracy in a revolutionary context cleanly https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/democratic-principle.htm
>is it possible to raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000 an hour? if not, why not?
What relevance does this have? No, but the point is the struggle for higher wages so as to heighten and elucidate the contradiction and conflict between prole and capitalist.
>okay, so again, you are forcing the ultimatum that one must either unconditionally support mass immigration or they are hitler.
Where did I say "unconditional support for mass immigration" once? It seems like you can only strawman my position, either out of a lack of understanding, or purposeful misrepresentation. A person who "unconditionally supports mass immigration" is also not operating with a proper communist mindset, as they are completely missing their role we play and necessity of what must be done.
>does marx say that mass immigration lowers the economic and moral condition of the native working class? yes or no?
And I posted his later developments and clarifications. Would you deny this? I don't think you would apply his standard to any other economist or even philosopher.
>you should know since you said marx was wrong. more lowly deception.
Again, where is the deception. I've been awfully accommodating this entire time for what little you provide.
>because youre a coward who both feigns ignorance but also have an implicit dogma.
I posted responses and sources, I don't think I've been feinging anything, while that of your claims seems to be ctrl + f for whatever agrees with you, and a stubborn obsession iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2531387
>You can see this argument regularly on 4glow now: communist states didn't have what they call mass migration, the students who came went back to their countries and contributed to their industrial

Obviously not, living there sucked. The Berlin Wall was erected to prevent people fleeing West Berlin


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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott
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>>2577144
Because the porkies have already organised production extremely efficiently and are continuing to rationalize production.

>>2576710
thanks anon

>>2577144
Anon read some of the archived threads at the top there have already been a ton of proposals on this.

>>2578390
>crashes ever 8 years or so
>extremely efficiently

>>2576720
all porkies are class conscious lol


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an sketch of Stalin I did for practice

>>2578251
that's really good

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>>2578733
here anon i made it less wordy

>>2578736
Yea


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Living in an housing complex with 20 people and 2 showers, a sense of control is needed, if there was 30 showers, there would be no control needed.

Abundance and public ownership would create less of a need for police. I get that, but really I can't see the abolition of police because some guy will get always get drunk and do stupid shit
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>people will be hecking gooderino if we give them more stuff

Naive as fuck

police is the only thing I agree with MLoids with

>>2578090
See >>2577833

Citizen militias brutalize and kill people just like cops do. The CHAZ disaster comes to mind.

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>muh cops
Cops are just the enforcers of the ruling class, if the ruling class is the bourgeoisie they represent their interests against ours, if the ruling class is the proletariat they'll represent our interests, being concerned about the police as an essentially negative thing is libshit. The American police force is particularly bad and militarized however, being something like the third or fourth largest army in the world


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What's some genuine extremists or ultra radical leftist opinions that you think are too radical even for you? I'm genuine curious to know some extremists position.
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>>2578290
mentioning islam but saying nothing bout yiddaism… well well well moshe ben yitzhak lets bomb some kids shall we? when hearing criticism on abrahamic religions without mentioning yidds always assume its a yidd. im denouncing the hadith now go ahead and denounce the talmud

Real communism has never been tried except one time in Russia where it was based but then became cringe.

>le radical
>opinions
Unashamed larper thread.

>>2578457
>communism
>tried
is it a state of affairs to be established or something?

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>>2578454
>>2578290
as expectred the bastard son of abraham is unable to denounce his beloved child rape talmud, either denounce all abrahamic religions or stfu, disgusting child killer apologetic.
picrel was chief rabbi of israel who also called blacks monkeys btw


 

He is correct as far as I know. Can any of you actually prove why you think he is wrong?

The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty.

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>>2578481
>Abloo bloo Yitzhak Rabin and Ben Gurion blew up the Atlalena and murdered Jooooooos
Cope

Rav Kook is better.

He is who created and popularized the term never again. It's a fascist slogan

Name looks like Mein Kampf. I have no further opinion.

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>>2578481
not listening to fasco yidd ramblings for an hour fuck you fuck all zionists i hope you hang yourself and your neck doesnt break so you suffocate until you die, these cunts are so evil even the israeli government designated them terrorist lmfao


 

Socialism and communism are not modes of production, they're social orders. The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution. The feuds and the slave owners and the previous modes of production never did the change consciously and neither did the bourgeois when they brought capitalism, they simply developed as much as they could until they changed, they were not a 200 year movement of trying to consciously enact change, think social darwinism.
Anyway the USSR is the loser and ML failed, Dengism won, when the realpolitik geopolitics and all the blablabla is over and China has won the world it will lead towards full automation.
And you only say full automation is impossible because you misinterpret it, you're like those conservative crackers that say communism isnt possible or its utopian, well too bad you're gonna get fucked in the ass one way or another, sucks for you you wont get to live to see that I'm right.
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>>2530240
Aka why you have to get to socialism first, no? The entire reason I sell ML and AI work is because ML and AI are now the means of production to seize. Before it, at porky command, kills us all.

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>>2530021
Next mode of production will have planned economy done by AI but property rights (and thus social classes) will still exist.

>>2530165
AYN RAND communism aka dangist

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>>2530043
fucking retard that's not how it works kill yourself


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>>2578185
so, is this you explaining the difference between value ratios and exchange value ratios, then? or have you given up on that?

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>>2578185
>>2578236
read this carefully:
<the common substance that manifests itself in the exchange value of commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value. The progress of our investigation will show that exchange value is the only form in which the value of commodities can manifest itself or be expressed […] When, at the beginning of this chapter, we said, in common parlance, that a commodity is both a use value and an exchange value, we were, accurately speaking, wrong. A commodity is a use value or object of utility, and a value. It manifests itself as this two-fold thing, that it is, as soon as its value assumes an independent form – viz., the form of exchange value. It never assumes this form when isolated, but only when placed in a value or exchange relation with another commodity of a different kind. When once we know this, such a mode of expression does no harm; it simply serves as an abbreviation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
so exchange-value is the only mode of expression for the value of commodities. value cannot be expressed outside of this quantitative relationship to marx, which may be represented as a ratio between commodities:
<the ratio of the value of silver to that of gold…
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch03.htm
again, this is all entirely uncontroversial to most.

>>2578085
>How many times does Smith Anon have to read this?
He doesn't read he only lies.

>>2578738
lies about what? 🤔

>>2578085
>>2578738
here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
so, the average price is still reflective of the value given in production, the same as in pre-capitalist relations, and in fact, the total average is equal to the total value. so as marx says, total value = total price, which if you measure as exchange-value, comes to the same conclusion: [Ax = By]. hope this helps. 🙂


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