/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2897466
OldBO was not vindicated, in fact if Assad had held out a little longer imagine how things would be going now. He was the weak link that allowed Syria to fall.

>>2913595
It was also the failure of the Ba'athists and Rojava to cooperate that ultimately led to the rebel victory. People are just mad at Rojava for existing instead of swearing unquestioning loyalty to a government that didn't even treat them as full citizens at the best of times and abandoned them to the terrorists at the first sign of trouble.

>>2913629
TO be fair, they did try quite hard to negotiate with Damascus, it was this autismo unwillingness that ultimately doomed Assad IMHO.

>>2913633
I won't pin it all on the Ba'athists since they had good reasons to be suspicious, mainly the cooperation of Rojava with the Americans. I'd consider both to share blame.

>>2913013
But if you say industrial society is bad Marxists get quite irate, even though Marx said industry and science had dehumanized man, he just thought it would do the opposite in the future, which hasn't happened yet.

>>2912638
2/3rds of those class societies collapsed into capitalism.

>>2913308
primitivism has no method of implementation. how are you supposed to re-establish hunter gather society through revolution when most conflicts are determined by who has superior productive forces and technology?

>>2913331
Because all that fancy machinery is going to run out of oil and lithium, you can’t make more of either, and you can’t use them when the population will be halved by super hurricanes from the el nino and wet bulb temperatures spreading

>>2913359
running out of oil and lithium doesn't instantly put us back in hunter gatherer mode, it just means people will fall back on other fuel types. Even if technology goes backwards, conflicts will be determined by who has the most advanced stuff. There is no way to implement primitivism.

Mahmoud Khalil sues Columbia University for showing 'deliberate indifference' to pro-Palestinian students
Khalil claims Columbia failed to respond to persistent and severe harassment those students allegedly encountered because of their advocacy, despite repeatedly asking Columbia administrators for help in the days and weeks preceding his March 2025 arrest by ICE agents.
https://abcnews.com/US/mahmoud-khalil-sues-columbia-university-showing-deliberate-indifference/story?id=136427312
https://archive.ph/YBSJR

‘Proven Leaders and Voices of Clarity’: Progressives Urge Ocasio-Cortez and Khanna to Enter 2028 Presidential Race =
Two progressive advocacy organizations Monday called on Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) to enter the 2028 presidential race, singling them out as “proven leaders and voices of clarity.” Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) and RootsAction announced an initiative aimed at lobbying the two congressional progressives to put their hats in the ring for the presidency, arguing they offer a much-needed alternative to establishment Democrats too eager to do the bidding of corporate interests.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-ro-khanna-2028

Pay Pal Founding Board Member Earmarks $40 Million To Hit Back Against DSA
Make Liberty Win noted that “self-proclaimed socialists” are running for public office and winning within the Democratic Party, as was the case with New York’s newly elected mayor, Zohran Mamdani. The campaign aims to mobilize young and college-aged activists to knock on the doors of more than 2 million voters in key states.
https://politicspa.com/pay-pal-co-founder-earmarks-40-million-to-hit-back-against-dsa/152935/
https://archive.ph/Yi9Fv

Trump accepts key ethics restriction on massive crypto billPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Promises, Promises: AOC, Israel, and the DSA
Eager to maintain her image as a left populist as well as the patina of democratic socialism that comes with a DSA endorsement, AOC is changing her tune. After eight years of supporting Israel, she has now vowed to oppose all military funding to the country and promised to oppose any legislation that equates ant-Zionism with antisemitism. But her newfound political clarity on the state of Israel is too little too late. In fact, even a cursory reading of her public statement shows that she is — as the soviets used to say — trying to sit on two chairs with one ass. AOC wants to signal to the DSA that she is willing to vote against additional funding for the Iron Dome while still making it clear to her Democratic colleagues that she supports the defense of Israel and the Zionist and imperialist project the missile system helps to maintain.
https://www.leftvoice.org/promises-promises-aoc-israel-and-the-dsa/

Erik Houdini:Butt-Rock Hauntology, Nu Metal Nostalgia
Why are right-wing accounts suddenly nostalgic for Puddle of Mudd, one of the worst bands of the 2000s? This essay explores how the reactionary longing for a "pure" white rock past erases nu-metal's true multiracial, working-class roots. Hauntology is the anti-nostalgia because it is predicated on examining what was lost by past futures, not envisioning the past as a superior future. Are we nostalgic about nu-metal? Or do we see the multi-racial working class background of the artists who produced it, along with its current revival, as producing insights into a future that never came? It seems like a pseudo-intellectual difference, but you can see how it manifests within the discourse. That’s the thing with nostalgia. It is typically framed as a look at what they took from you, but seldom is "they" defined, and it is predicated on an idea that the past was more pure than the present or the future could ever be. It is deeply anti-material, acting on a baseline emotion that capitalism causes. When you participate in the capitalist economy, you cannot help but feel despair for this reality we are forced to drudge through. When you were a child in 1996 and someone bought you an N64 and Ocarina of Time, you were not aware that the climate was collapsing or that most species Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Ty na ilu

>>2912920
>india invented western marxism 3000 years ago gandalf
woah…

>>2913224
Is he supposed to be a satanist or sumthin?

>>2913224
the USSR was really pioneering the soyjaks before everyone else

>>2912981
>Also important. The main problem in organizing for any illegal activity is knowing who you can trust.
Yeah. Also just having other guys being able to back you up and with actual firepower too. If you get grabbed by some guys then the guys in your tribe will kill those guys. Or they'll come get you out of there.

>>2913224
>ignores history
You mean the faction that had to be curtailed because of loss of support?
It got so bad that atheists had to promote christianity and islam in order to get support for communism.

>>2916512
Yeah I’m sure you’ve done all those things, LARPer.

We know you’re the same guy who keeps spamming empty threats under new personas every few weeks because you have nothing better to do than to spam an imageboard.

Touch grass, freak

>>2916519
All online bullshit is LARP without exception.

>>2916522
Take the site offline right now.

>>2916523
All online is LARP.

>>2912723
You’re an edgy social democrat

>>2912724
>retard has no arguments
>muh social democracy
Bordiga rotted your brain

>>2912728
Why have people sacrifice their lives and die just to work for wages and buy shit just like right now? Not even having a plan, no matter how long term to get out of that awful status quo makes even going to jail for you a non starter.

>>2912723
If you think communism will have money, classes, states, and commodities, what even distinguishes communism as a mode of production from capitalism?

I guess if you're talking about the DoTP then yeah these things will be inherited from capitalism but the point of the DoTP is to abolish the conditions that led to commodities, classes, etc and thereby transition into communism.

>>2912729
Au contraire my dear leftychud.
Getting out of that predicament is the goal.
But you will not get out of it by wishing it away in a fantasy scenario. You need a new status quo.

>>2912737
Because those things by themselves do not form the totality of property relations. Communism is innovative in how it allows the government direct claim over labor power of the citizenry. This is key for it opens so many doors for civilizational innovation. However, in so doing, this government should it rationally organize and motivate the citizenry, will resolve contradictions within the existing property relations, creating new ones. Only thing is, we do not know how exactly these relations will evolve, we can only estimate its direction via econophysics.

>>2909604
This leftychud gets it.
As regards class stratification, unless our biology changes, there will be specialists who are initiated into scientific disciplines because there is massive downshot potential for screwups. They will not be classes stratified, but classes networked like special cells in a body. Hence the advanced or esoteric feudalism.

>>2909651
My argument was this existed before antiquity under another name and exists even today. Absolute monarchy is a phase of feudalism as this control existed on a spectrum with the underlying property relations remaining feudal. It would be like comparing hoxhaist albania and titoist yugoslavia. Even tho they had radically different power relations, the property relations were fundamentally socialist.

>>2909491
It's not a materialist analysis (or whatever these words even mean to you), it's just picking up common similarities and saying "whoa look at that ! I just discovered that the USSR was feudal !". I remember some anon on 4chan coming to the same conclusion as you but to criticize communism.
>dude look the USSR had a politburo deciding production territorially
>and look at that ! feudalism had a lord that also decided production on his territory too !
<that must mean they're one and the same

I'm guessing the austrian economics bit is you agreeing with Mises' vague truisms ?

>>2911467
These are not common similarities, but deeper analysis into otherwise separate phenomena. It is not just the USSR I applied this to. The part you should be looking to is property relations, horizontal and vertical authority relations and ideological superstructure.

>Mises
More like understanding that the market is a natural calculator of SNLT and central planning attempts to mimic it are futile and instead Central Planning is more efficiently used as a tool within a market which is also how the USSR economy in the 1930s-1950s functioned, this not being a contradiction if your goal is proprietarianism, that is people owning property. Also Yugoslavia, China etc.

>>2912521
Before I go, I have my disagreements with cybercoms on this exact point.
>Mandated Full employment and Labor credits in the way presented by proponents of cybercommunism are indistinguishable from the vision set by the WEF.
Simply put, until I see visible simulations of said system that allows for freedom, it would not be a viable system.
If so, a system of guaranteed employment renumerated by labor credits with a parallel economy of private money is beneficial. In this case, private money demand will come from the government purchasing or allowing citizens to use labor credits to purchase goods and services produced in the parallel economy.
And this system will allow for the gradual withering away of the state bordigafags like so much.

>>2912337
>If you opened a history book
which one?
https://davidharvey.org/2015/06/listen-anarchist-by-david-harvey/

>>2912337
>decommodification
Is that like a "Hitler decommodified West Russia" joke ?

>>2912337
>open up ancient history book on egypt
>no anarchism to be found
>no mention of Spain 36
>didnt even know what communism was

interesting

What makes appeals to anthropology any different in essence than appeals to historicism?

>>2912841
That anthropology is more scientific

>>2912399
God was real for people a thousand years ago, it’s not real now, people in the future will scoff at einstein physics the way you scoff at the bible

>>2912396
Rape has nothing to do with reality which we can never fully know retard

>>2912397
Are you gonna wear your seatbelt? Will your airbags go off?

>>2912401
You can never fully know if my dick in your butt isn't your wet daydreaming…

>>2912432
Intuition is superior to knowledge for exactly that reason

>>2909195
>but the country probably still has one of the highest rates of atheism in the world
Supposedly

>>2907186
>>2909105
Many sections of the American right and left have a negative bias toward Europeans.

On the right, this often means portraying Americans as rugged individualists, pioneers and cowboys compared with supposedly soft and safe Europeans. This conveniently ignores the enormous scale of warfare and violence taking place in Europe at the same time. More men likely died in a single 19th-century European battle than in all the violence associated with the Wild West.
On the left, it tends to mean praising America for its openness, diversity, liberalism and role in defeating fascism. On the far left, it’s more about seeing America as merely slightly better and freer than Europe.

Both versions are objectively wrong, but I they ultimately serve the same purpose, allowing Americans to self-mythologize a story about why America is uniquely different and superior to Europe.

>they are anti-intellectual
Oh, so they'll vote for the next retard and unknowingly spread more far-left propaganda for us by not getting the point?

>>2897720
No they don't, theyll be dunking on women one moment, then displaying false empathy as an excuse to dunk on a group they hate and would like to exterminate

>>2898250
>>2910118
Atun-Shei’s and Portable Orange’s videos on the American Revolution are a great example of the left-wing version of this crude anti-European American bias. It's less love for America and more like a deep hostility toward Europe, combined with a desperate desire to distance America from its European origins. Like the libertarians they also place far too much emphasis on the Minutemen. Atun-Shei literally states that the Minutemen alone won the war and defeated the strongest Empire in the world. That is such a moronic claim that it would be instantly disproven with even the slightest bit of research into the American Revolution. It literally calls into question everything else he has ever said about history.

Their main difference with the libertarian version is that they will point to some obscure unit that included free people of color as something particularly praiseworthy, while also trying to emphasize that the farm boys were lower-class men. I’m sure the common British foot soldiers weren’t exactly living in luxury, in fact they were undoubtedly much poorer than many American settlers.
Another thing the libertarian right and leftist have in common is the way they view Europe as essentially one unified culture. The right tends to portray Europe as bureaucratic, stuffy, socialist and bland, while the left often portrays it as Fascistic racist nazis. Both sides also seem to have a particular fascination with ignoring the mere existence of the Continental Army for whatever political reasons.