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Does anyone else think the whole "NVE" thing that popped up a year or so ago is a dedicated psyop? It came completely out of nowhere despute the fact that violence with obscure motives has always been a thing yet recently all the news outlets are drumming about it and acting like its an ISIS tier threat. Is someone trying to start a new satanic panic or is this a way to make political attacks look likejust mentally ill people schizoing out?
Plus they dont even know what nihilism even means.
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>>2884896
All of those mass shooters have either a direct and/or indirect (via immediate family) connection to state militaries and security apparatuses.

>>2884896
The US populace is highly medicated. If that were the case the streets would be a warzone. I bet WITHOUT these medications (and other treats and pacificsation tools, screens, entertainment, music, porn, etc.) it would get much worse.

>>2890519
I don't think it's all pacification tbh. After all politics is done, what next? More politics? Happiness?

I'm referring to the arrival fallacy of course. Unless an individual has an idea of their own retirement from politics, they possess Yukio Mishima's bullshido madness >>2885001

Bruce Lee was better anyway.

>>2884449
People don't do "evil" shit for no reason. these organizations are obviously glowie affiliated

>>2884720
>the exact reasons why these right-wing retards from places like 4chan, Xitter, sharty etc. become mass shooters or terrorists in the first place, which are the material conditions and alienation that results from the ruling capitalist system
Exactly, people don't just go around doing shit without something causing them to be like that.



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So, I'm about to become a manager's assistant, and hopefully after some time a manager proper, which is to say – in classical ML lingo, – I'm climbing the ladder from a productive worker's position to that of an overseer, which inevitably means that in terms of objective class positions, I'm moving from the run of the mill prole to one that is in service of capital, namely, my new function will essentially be to ensure an optimal production process, which inevitably involves neat things like "keeping the workplace clean" but more importantly, heightening the rate of exploitation, etc.

Yet, I'm a fucking communist. And I need this new position, I desperately need a better wage, so I took the job without a moment of existential crisis, or whatever.

So I would like to axe you guys if you've faced such a dilemma before, and how you resolved the contradictions between the individual and the social, meaning still being a fucking communist, yet having to order proles to "properly" submit to the rule of capital, WHILE trying to maintain… sanity…

On the one hand I feel that I earned this position through my blood sweat n' tears: I was always among the best workers, no matter the job, and I differentiated myself from the rest by delivering the highest quality product, doing it the fastest, being reliable and punctual, etc. Just so it happens that this particular company noticed it and said, "Hey, we need this guy," or, "Hey, what about this guy for this position?"

On the other, I understand – to a degree – being called a "nerd" or an "asslicker" behind my back by my fellow proles. To their criticism (or parody, morelike) I would say that I'm simply not "built" in a way that I could ever possibly do the absolute minimum at a job, so that I get paid what everyone else AND not get fired. It's just not an option for me, on a subjective level. Even at my most boring conveyor-belt job, while working, I was constantly thinking about the work I was doing and how to improve my speed, agility, whatever, while I saw my fellow conveyor-slaves dreaming about whatever, or talking about how the company provided dinner "better be good this time," or whatever. (And I'm not blaming them, tbh. It's an alienated existence, but I think there are cracks and there's luck and then you can break through.)

I'm an intense person, an intense personality.

I hate nothing more at work when the manager tellPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2901932
Its not like the progress of the worker's movement depends solely on (You). Also there is no free will. You dont get to consciously choose which side you get to ge on. If tomorrow angry proles will assrape you so they will.

>>2901932
>I'm about to become a manager's assistant
assistant to the manager

>immediately the first 2 posts offer the exact opposite advice
>>2901958
>>2901960
I guess this is one of the few reasons I still visit this place!

>>2901958
Thanks. This' pretty much me, and how I behave (regardless of position) in the workplace.

Believe it or not, this is my first job where I have a boss who fits this description
>my best boss was somebody who clearly explained what has to be done, when and why. he knew that people work better when they're treated kindly and not being barked at. high morale
while my previous bosses were all
>my worst boss was an idiot who couldn't do the work himself and didn't know the specifics of the job. always yelling how things should be but never talked about how things are. low morale

>>2901987
>there is no free will
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>>2901932
Given how you speak here you're going to be an insufferable asshole. Seriously, why can't you speak normally ? Why do you have to speak in such a debilitating manner ? It makes you sound like a retard

>meaning still being a fucking communist, yet having to order proles to "properly" submit to the rule of capital, WHILE trying to maintain… sanity…

Just do your job. Communism isn't a moral stance that you have to take, it's simply about recognizing your material self-interest derived from your economic position.

<hOw?

Every task has one particular way of ensuring the realization of the desired thing whilst simultaneously minimizing the energy spent. Just apply this whenever you boss your coworkers around

>>2901932
Managers are proles too.



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"Jason Arday, ex-Cambridge professor at centre of plagiarism row, found dead."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j1ye6n30no

First major victim of radical liberalism?
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>>2899435
It’s just drawings though.

>>2899314
> just because a racist
>just
It's the main problem here, i don't mind Arday getting sacked for plagiarization or other offenses if he's guilty. That's a normal thing over here and usually leads to a loss of the PhD title as well. Such a process basically ended the political career of a rightoid baron, who had the entire bourgeois MSM media circus behind him in his bid to become the next chancellor and dethrone Merkel.

Anyway, you can bet this inbred looking pol/tard doesn't really care about errors or misconduct with Arday's actual scientific work. He picked Arday because he got a chance to bully a black guy out of a position he doesn't want black people to occupy. If he was really into going against scientific misconduct chances are he would find a lot of steaming shit within his own circle of "race realists" around R. Lynn et al. which isn't very far from Nazi eugenics "research" btw.

Turns out that Cofnas is a hypocrite: https://twitterwebviewer.com/?tweet=2093137641189388497

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>>2896748
Trans BVLLS win again

>>2896748
>transgender gynecologist
*distant sound of JK Rowling screaming*



 

I've personally approached marx from a more economic perspective and I was surprised to see that some authors treat Marx as primarily a philosopher rather than a social critique.

From the few bits and pieces I've read on it, their work seems completely irrelevant and stuck in philosophical qualms with no relation to the real world. The hegelian interpretation of Marx reads as a bunch of messianic and idealist garbage that Marx would've condemned.
But what's /leftypol/'s opinion on the matter ?
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>>2899914
Althusserians and Analytic Marxists like Gerald Cohen

it should tell you something that the eurocentric white supremacist views of hegel are so compatible with marx

>>2899834
I just said there are better translations and you don't have to ride horse and buggy to a library or smuggle illegal books into the country like Lenin did. I said nothing about memes. God damn you anons are frustrating sometimes.

>>2901887
>you know who also thought 2+2=4…? that's right. adolf hitler. not a big fan of addition now, are you?



 

I hope these guys win the coming elections in Israel.
Because no matter who wins the elections, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians will continue. If one of the liberal Zionists wins they will spin somehow to make it seem less evil. With these two they won't be able to pretend that they're not genocidal freaks. Thus hastening international intervention.
I'm totally accelerationist in this regard.

What do you think of this?
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>>2901865
  1. heredi leaders are saying they'd rather leave israel than compromise on their torah values (be in the presence of women) and 2. drafting the heredi population will make it so the IDF are guaranteed to refuse to restrain or fire their weapons on their armed settler brothers organizing pogroms in the west bank

>>2901858
netanyahu has pivoted to full throated support of the settler movement. the differences are academic.

a more liberal knesset gives the west and the media an offramp to pretend the show is over. a hard right swing would be much more difficult to spin and would galvanise the anti israel movement.

in both scenarios the price would be paid in palestinian blood and the limbs of children so it's in very poor taste to advocate either side and you should be centering the victims of this genocide and all the aid workers and journalists the fascists have been murdered.

>>2901914
>heredi leaders are saying they'd rather leave israel than compromise on their torah values (be in the presence of women)

Sounds pretty gay

>>2901915
wrong. israels reputation will continue to plummet no matters whos in charge. the genocide is endorsed by pretty much every facet of israeli society. gaze upon history and you'll realize there's nothing a Liberal hates more than a badly run war

>>2901926
israel's herrenvolk democracy doesn't even figure: they can't exist without western patronage and they know it. a liberal turn wouldn't help the palestinians but it would be a boon to their propagandists in the west. their plan all along has been attrition against the attention span of the general public and nearly any new prime minister will be presented as a moderate by the media as a way of cracking consensus by giving a fatigued public permission to look away.

it happened in hungary: the new president was presented as a clean break from orban even when he's basically identical but with no international profile.



 

Military Deployment in Bolivia’s Roads Anticipating New Blockades
The government of Rodrigo Paz has deployed Police and Military units after the announcement of road blockades in different areas of Bolivia. In June this year, the government issued a decree to deploy the repression forces of the State before popular protests, such as the road blockades. Therefore, the government imposed a state of exception, which is still ongoing and will last another 22 days.
https://redherald.org/2026/08/26/military-deployment-in-bolivias-roads-anticipating-new-blockades/

Venezuela: Opposition Lawmaker Ecarri Proposes Dollarization Plan
Ecarri, a National Assembly Deputy from Alianza del Lápiz, has hired US economist Steve Hanke as an advisor for his plan to change the national currency. …. Hanke, a Johns Hopkins University academic who served in the Reagan administration, has advised countries such as Ecuador and Zimbabwe on similar initiatives. In an article for business magazine Fortune, he confirmed that he has already drafted “a bill for the Venezuelan parliament.”
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-opposition-lawmaker-ecarri-proposes-dollarization-plan/

U.S. close to striking "massive" deal for Venezuelan oil fields
The historic deal would more than double U.S. oil reserves by drawing from a country that has the world's largest proven reserves. "Calling this deal huge would be an understatement," one of the officials said. "It is massive." Adding pressure to get the deal signed: the wars in Iran and Ukraine, which have disrupted global oil supplies and raised prices.
https://www.axios.com/2026/08/27/trump-venezuela-oil-deal-talks
https://archive.ph/HRScX

Israeli forces set to deploy troops to West Bank as settler attacks continue
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Danke schon newsanon

Trump EPA aims to exempt datacenters from disclosing air pollution, advocates warn
The Clean Air Act requires “minor” air polluters to disclose to the public via state agencies how much pollution their proposed project will release, but the proposed new rule from Donald Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would dismantle that protection for datacenter proposals. Instead, it would make disclosure voluntary at state and some local officials’ discretion.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/25/datacenters-air-pollution-epa

US Postal Service says new mail ballot rules tied to Trump order are in effect
The Trump administration has sought to impose new rules requiring state election leaders to submit their voter rolls for inspection as part of a broader bid to increase federal government oversight over voting and elections. The post office requirements stem from an executive order issued by Trump earlier this year, requiring the post office to refrain from delivering ballots for mail-in voting to registered voters deemed ineligible when compared to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and other federal records.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/27/us-postal-service-mail-ballot-rules-trump-order

FAA moves to fire two controllers who left work before fatal LaGuardia collision, sources say
Several controllers interviewed by Reuters described the workload that night as busy and said other controllers would typically be brought in ​or stay on past ​their normal shift ⁠end time to manage the heavier-than-scheduled number of flights. One controller told Reuters that there has been a push nationwide by the FAA ​to crack down on employees leaving on break at the end ​of their ⁠shift and not coming back.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/faa-moves-fire-two-controllers-who-left-work-before-fatal-laguardia-collision-2026-08-27/

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The Mountains Gave Birth to a Mouse: MKP
Within the parliamentary arithmetic, there were those who, like the DEM Party, approached the issue with optimism, offering the lesser of two evils, as well as those who took a direct critical approach. Of course, those who signed and those who did not sign the draft law also began to reveal their stance. It is possible to interpret this dual, and perhaps even triple, difference in attitude as normal reactions in accordance with the principle of democracy. However, it is obvious that where there is no democracy, these reactions and differences do not, and will not, develop on the basis of this principle. In this case, it would not be wrong, and would be accurate, to say that bourgeois and bourgeois clique interests lead to differences in reactions and attitudes. Therefore, it would not be a prophecy to argue that the current differences in reactions and attitudes will continue to sharpen during the legalization process of the bill. It is clear that the ongoing debates and cracks will have much more to say. Without needing to say more about the bourgeois squabbles, we move on to our main topic…
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/36397/

Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan on the August 23rd parliamentary elections
"On August 23, Kazakhstan held elections to the unicameral parliament, the Kurultai, as part of the constitutional reform that had been carried out. As a result, the main presidential party, “Adilet,” which was established just a few months ago, along with other parties representing large capital, secured more than 70 percent of the seats in the legislative body. The party of large agrarian capitalists, “Auyl,” came second in the parliament, receiving only 6.26 percent. The other three parties — the CPC, “Ak Zhol,” and “Respublika” — made it into parliament by overcoming the five percent threshold, with minor differences between them in terms of fractions of a percent. Only two associations remained outside the legislative body: the Green Party “Baitak” and the former pro government “communists” party, the People’s Party of Kazakhstan. The main outcome was the consolidation of all political entities around the current president, Kassym Jomart Tokayev, and his party, as part of the restructuring of the political system and the removal of all possPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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has anyone been paying attention to these ""discussions"" on tiktok the gentiles believe that lindsay clancey didn't kill her kids, straight people are only attracted to other, and the word cis is a slur/predatory (old foids don't want to be called it so if you call them that its le rape) how are we to reeducate these people with no institutional power
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>mfw naziflag talks to anyone, ever, about children
L. Mao

>>2901039
all you uyghurs seem to misunderstand that im not just talking about these specific discourses the gentiles seem to always be wrapped up in these "discussions" that lead them to ideas (in this case philosophies with younger people getting into ""politics"""") which we will have to teach out of them

>>2901140
Things are infinitely better offline.
Still not great, but seriously better.

>>2901140
my uyghur my uyghur ima ride for my mothafuckin uyghurs

>>2901140
Why do the terminally online have such difficulty understanding a basic concept like "what you see online is a biased sample and not necessarily reflective of what people offline actually think"



 

Today most legal systems nominally reject collective punishment, emphasizing individual responsibility. It is also prohibited in armed conflict under international humanitarian law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention. This was not always the case. The Athenian Draco is remembered for harsh laws, from which we get the word "Draconian" but one of his major reforms was to replace private blood feuds with state-administered justice. Before his code, killings were often avenged by the victim's family, leading to cycles of retaliation.

The shift from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt toward individual responsibility and the presumption of innocence was gradual rather than revolutionary. In many ancient and medieval societies, families, clans, villages, or entire communities could be held liable for the actions of one member, and accused individuals often had to prove their innocence through oaths, ordeals, or social standing. These proofs were often ritual in nature and lacked scientific rigor. Over centuries, especially under the influence of Roman legal principles, canon law, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and liberal constitutionalism, legal systems increasingly emphasized that guilt should be based on evidence against a specific individual rather than group affiliation. Thinkers such as Beccaria and Blackstone argued that protecting the innocent from wrongful punishment was more important than maximizing convictions, leading to higher standards of proof, formal rules of evidence, due process, and the modern principle that the prosecution bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite these legal prohibitions, governments and armed groups have at times been accused of imposing measures that amount to collective punishment, especially during wars, occupations, and counterinsurgency campaigns. Whether a specific case qualifies is often legally and politically disputed.

The transformation from collective punishment and presumptions of guilt to individual liability and the presumption of innocence was driven largely by changes in state capacity and legal administration. As governments became stronger, more centralized, and more bureaucratic, they relied less on kinship groups to police their own members and more on professional courts, investigators, and judges. Improved record-keeping, forensic methods, written legal codes, and standardized procedures made it increasingly feasible (but not necessarilPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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When communists are more preoccupied with punishment instead of building a new society, nothing gets done.

>>2879129
The social murder is not a crime under any system of positive law, but a strategy in class warfare. You are trying to fit this in an unfit category

>>2879375
>the problem isnt that israelis are the "bad guys", it is that they [proceeds to describe bad guys doing collective punishment against a victim population] where is the punishment there?
astounding mental gymnastics

>>2884725
not even in the most successful socialist projects has the bourgeoisie been "liquidated" down to the individual with punishment applying to children and so forth. In reality we see a much more complex situation where careful consideration is made for whether the particular bourgeois individual was a class traitor or not. People who talk like this think Marx and Engels and Marx's wife and children would have been lynched by the proletariat for being bourgeois, with no consideration as to the content of their lives and deeds.

this thread exposes that most leftists here are just impotent incels with violent fantasies



 

Exmples of what I mean:
  • Black Panther Party - aimed to destroy the US and bring communism, did nothing notable, disbanded after being targeted by the state they wanted to destroy. Online leftists say they did nothing wrong and blame the evil capitalist US for not letting a bunch of dudes destroy itself.
  • The USSR - a system that almost died in late 1960s but was saved by oil prices. When oil prices dropped back down it also died. Thoughout its existence it was plagued by internal issues, corruption, censorship, and Dubai style megaprojects.
  • Concept of "Late stage capitalism" - the term was coined over 100 years ago and it implies that capitalism is heading towards collapse soon™. Since then capitalisn has transformed multiple times but it is still "late stage" and this time it is definitely going to collapse. (dont look at parallels with christian latter days)
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>>2901289
I thought "late stage capitalism" meant "as of late" but maybe I fell for a meme. Yeah the left has been predicting the fall of capitalism for 150 years, so it goes.

the civil rights movement ended jim crow and segregation and gave black americans the right to vote and dealt a major blow to white supremacy and terrorized the ruling class and racist white citizenry and forced a total restructuring of american society by way of white flight from the cities into suburbia

the ussr won world war 2 and destroyed the third reich and saved the world from falling under the rule of the most terrible totalitarian empire in history (at the time) and prevented the total extermination of the jewish people, as well as gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people, etc.

the term late stage capitalism was coined long ago because anyone who wasn't a complete fucking idiot could use their brain and understand that an economic philosophy based on perpetual expansion in a world of finite space and resources is mathematically unsustainable and would eventually run out of room to expand and transition away from industrialization and real production and profits and towards deindustrialization and financialism and zero-sum transactions, which it did.

>>2901530
> BPP
I'd not go as far as to equate a militant black power group with the civil rights movement. Matter of fact, "nothing notable" is in the context of the civil rights movement.
> USSR
well, Epstein donated to charity. Did his faults evaporate?
> third
That's a highly dubious claim. If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

>>2901289
humanity has been around for 200,000 years, feudalism was around for 500 years, capitalism has been around for 300 years. Capitalism has survived longer than some thought it would, but I think it is definitely transforming into socialism for several ways that I can elaborate if you care about.

>>2901618
>If you can put arbitrary meaning in any term, then it's all pointless

well op started it by thinking he was being clever and sneaky by carefully singling out the black panthers and choosing not to even acknowledge the greater underlying movement behind it, like we were all born yesterday and can't read between the lines and figure out what he's up to. i'm just playing along with typical bad faith internet argument mindgames, that's all. hey what about that time i went to a soup kitchen and i found a hair my soup, they really ought to shut that place down shouldn't they.



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Why the fuck is it impossible for some of you neurotic freaks to be normal? Why must so many of you be contrarian fuckwits? For an ideology called "Socialism" you'd think you'd be able to manage basic social skills and not go "Uhm well ackshually Dolly Parton supported Iraq and didn't post about Palestine" right after she's fucking died. Why are so many of you so autistic you can't grasp something as basic as pandering to the sensibilities of normies even slightly and not screeching incessantly about her being a crakkker fascist or whatever because she wasn't bankrolling the Black Panthers or something?

The goal of Communists is to seize power for the working class. That means elevating the consciousness of the working people to see that their welfare and survival can only be secured by political means. Why are so many of you fuckwits so allergic to power that you think shitting on a figured universally beloved by that working class is a good idea?

Yes, there is a time and a place to discuss how celebrities can be tools to support Imperialism and Capitalism. That time and place is not fucking now. Maybe you're right, she did support Imperialism by being a sex symbol for "da troops" or whatever. Can you retards not grasp that saying that shit NOW doesn't make you a based and principled revolutionary, it makes you look like an unhinged lunatic. You're not just being a contrarian dickhead, you're being a shit Communist, and the entire movement would be better off without you.

Communists are not immune to the basic principles of politics and power-brokering. Touch grass ffs
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>>2901308
Normalcy is a spook

>>2901500
>the same as Nazis who refuse to listen to any popular music because it's "the sonic Jew"
Would be embarrassing if Nazis are more principled than leftists who can't wait for the next hollyweird movie, "prestige" TV show, video game pacifier.

>>2902361
>Falling for the Amish scam
>Muh new vs old media
Nta, but actually research how the Amish economically sustain themselves (they're way more integrated into the capitalist economy then their PR suggests). And the idea that consuming "nu" media makes you more of a "pacified consumer" then the consumption of "old" media is peak ideology with the blinders on.

>>2901355
>Name me a single issue in the world today more important than Palestine
According to what criteria? You can orgue an ongoing genocide can be the absolute priority from a moral standpoint, but it can be overshadowed by the slow ecological collapse that concerns all of mankind, or other wars that tank globel economy and therefore the livelyhood of billions…

"Uhm well ackshually Dolly Parton supported Iraq and didn't post about Palestine"
Literally who, cares?



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