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 No.146922[Reply]

>TFW after the coronavirus shit is over, the US will look stronger than ever before.
>Biden will placate the libs
>The right will become more radicalized while the left will lose it's edge.
>The whole world will kneel to the US.
>China will have an economic crash
Our prospects are looking grim.
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 No.156123

>>146922

All that stimulus money just pumped up assets and centralized wealth more. Everyone's asking where the inflation is after trillions got pumped into the economy. It went straight into retarded stocks, crypto, and house prices. Not the real economy outside of tech.

Sooner or later that bubble is going to pop, but it might still take a decade or more.

The DNC will probably lose control of congress in 2022, and will probably lose nationally in 2024, especially if Kamala becomes president. After that we'll probably get some sort of warhawk neocon-type who the right-libs will back because he's "not Trump".

The US might look strong for a few years, but it'll wear off especially if Biden or a future administration gets involved in any more foreign wars.
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 No.156642

>>156123
>underestimating neo-liberals
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 No.156649

>>156642
>Overestimating neo-liberals.
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 No.156659

>>156649
>estimating
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 No.156665

>>146927
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IM DOOOOOOOOMIN


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 No.125536[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

First world 'workers' aren't proletariat they're labour aristocrats. Most of them are in unproductive 'service' jobs while most of what they consume is created in the global south. They consume more than they produce, their standards of living would go down with worldwide communism. So their class interest lies with imperialism and they cannot be organized by communists. Revolution in the global north is impossible and reformism in favour of the labour aristocratic parasites only strengthens imperialism. Only in the third world revolution is possible and the first world """worker""" parasites are our direct enemies.
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 No.155328

>>144491

I enjoyed reading this, thank you.
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 No.155426

>>144491
absolutely based post
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 No.155433

>>144491
>Scandies like social democracy
Thanks for telling us anon, we never knew
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 No.155460

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>>155244
>>154762
>>155321
That's not the only thing they beat Germany in. Meds got a good racket.
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 No.156620

>>155460
This is a classic case of Europeans discrimination against Mediterraneans.
Americans may not know that the favorite sport of nord europeans is shitting on Mediterraneaneans


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 No.146697[Reply]

It's common knowledge that "the middle class is shrinking" but the difference is where they are going. While some people leaving the middle class are becoming poor, the greater majority are actually experiencing UPWARD social mobility, joining the upper middle class with a petit bourgois attitude being instilled by nontrivial retirement savings tied to the stock market. In the US at least (and probably true in most core/developed nations as well), the PMC/Labour Aristocrat/Upper middle class is GROWING. Around 30% of the US population now makes a 6 figure salary which makes them extremely wealthy by both global and even US standards.

How does this square with an immiseration thesis based critique of capitalism? Are these just the imperial spoils of unequal exchange? Gains based on technology?
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 No.147652

Actually, I also note another issue with this: If it ONLY includes wage earners, then people dropping out of the labor force due to difficulty in maintaining jobs is going to drive the apparent income upwards rather than down.
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 No.147653

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>>147602
Once again, you imply by your actions that reciting doctrine is a substitute for engaging with the theory, which contains a detailed but incomplete history showing their origin and growth out of the transition to monopoly capitalism.
If you're one of those bots who's not allowed to read outside of canon, put on a Maoist flag or something so I don't waste any time on a rejoinder, and we can just drop it at "read a book". If you are an honest interlocutor who wishes to understand our time rather than cower from it, I've attached the PDF below, and, if you have any responsive and relevant thoughts, engage.

>>147620
Everything in your last paragraph. Innumeracy is a killer.
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 No.147844

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>>146862
>Income doesn't have any impact on a person's material conditions or material interests
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 No.156484

>>147565
1848, in most of the European capitals you had a lot of university alumni with no jobs or status to go around so they organized the proles and the artisans to revolt with them against the half feudal system in Europe at the time.
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 No.156158[Reply]

The chumps who think they can or should turn critique of liberal identity politics into Red recruitment of 4chan should probably just revive the scare story about Lenin nationalizing/redistributing the country's wife supply.
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 No.156166

very confusing post. are you against anti-idpol or just using it for 4chan recruitment?
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 No.156183

>>156166
>very confusing post. are you against anti-idpol or just using it for 4chan recruitment?
I'm pro sex.
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 No.156249

Kys
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 No.156436

Based


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 No.154248[Reply]

Not a copy of the anarchist generals just a one where anarchist just talk (this thread is going to get a lot of sewerposting) their ideas and answer question that are probably not about sewers.
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 No.156301

>>156223
So it's not a state if it's all women?

>>156241
Sounds very unclear.
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 No.156306

>>156301
Correct
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 No.156346

>>156301
It's perfectly clear to me.
capturing: constraining within defined barriers
exploiting: using vulnerabilities to extract benefit
mass: a large, undistinguished body; lumpen
land, people: resources that can be captured
on behalf of: as the agent of, inuring to the benefit of
elite: a body distinguished from a mass by setting themselves apart from it
Maybe "device" isn't the perfect word but the state is a particularly human invention, not some exogenous gift from whatever spook passed by Earth this century.
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 No.156366

>>156301
That would be a governwoment.
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 No.156373

>>156366
The correct term is governmxnt.


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 No.152844[Reply]

I think often times when people discuss the implacability of Capitalism and the lack of "revolution" for the last 20-40 years they have a tendency to obsess over the next capitalist calamity, the next market failure, pandemic, world war, etc., anything that to their mind would be an opportunity to shake capitalist liberalism enough to let some kind of great red enlightenment grip most people. The given assumption being that when Capital is revealed for the 500th time to be a monstrous entity, that the majority of workers will be become some variety of leftist.

What I'm curious about is how communists intend to either destroy or get around the commonly held perception that "commies killed gorillions and were bad at basic econ, leading to foodn'ts." Communists are correct when they point out how Capitalism's autistic shitwaves (2008, 1929, etc.) create waves of ideological changes in people who are differently affected by said shitwave. The issue is that in previous examples of this happening like the 1929 market crash occurred before there was a deeply ingrained, constantly maintenanced, bureaucracy of historical revisionism with anything that concerned Communism. Sure there was anti-communist books and propaganda then, but nothing as developed as the last 60 years of slander. How different spheres of the left reacted to this bureaucracy likely contributes to modern stagnation of Socialist movements, insofar as every party, union, etc. even social democrats have to formulate which pieces of cold war arguments that they accept, reject, or something they agreed happened but not like the anti-communists claimed they did, blah blah blah. Left spaces on the internet also respond to this in different ways, /leftypol/ naturally laughs at and refuse to engage the frequent "commie did bad" post that pop up (likely because of the chan-style nature of /leftypol/ and because of /pol/ boogeyman that lingers from constant shitty raids), Stupidpol accepts generally the narratives about the USSR and China, and often complains of "tankies" which they malign for their social progressivism. Regardless, any and all discussion on "the left" will eventually reach a point of discussing X failure, Y atrocity, Z authoritarianism, and thus spreads the curse of the Doomer and blackpills all around.

A response I often hear is that by showing graphs, using facts and logic, and by demonstrating the nolstagia for Socialism that exists in places like Russia, then the prPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.156080

>>153718
God you leftcoms are such picky children. I don't give a shit about communism as an ideal, I give a shit about communism as a way to improve the lives of other people. If it's not "perfect communism" then maybe it's just communism that isn't perfect. Stop worshipping Marx and realize that he's a smart man, a man that many people demonize but you don't have to throw every socialist under the bus so that you look better to your neoliberal discord group full of progaming trannies.
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 No.156088

>>156080
I agree, but also don't fall in the trap of saying I support every Government that helped its Citizens, when Germany also by and large did that, even though they are a Neoliberal State.
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 No.156093

>>156088
true, he was more saying how they were the first state to attempt to try a brand new system. It had no blueprint and it had to industrialize while under siege by foreign powers and internal reactionaries. That is not to excuse its entirety, but rather provide context and an intro to understanding soviet economics. Where it did really good and why, and where it went wrong and why. Improvements/ total revisions that take into account what the USSR and other experiments taught us.
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 No.156131

>>156070
>You can't. Liberals are by-and-large self-satisfied petit-bougeois (Or aspire to be in that class) that support Neoliberalism and Empire. They got everything they wanted from Obama, namely job guarantees for their unproductive labor in governmental bearaucracies, HR divisions and the media. They think the masses deserve nothing but austerity. How do you think a bunch of well-off suburbanites will react when they learn that they won't be able to enjoy the privileged position they enjoy in the world?
80% of people in liberal democracies are liberals in some way, shape, or form. Very few are revolutionary socialists. That said, you will have to appeal to socialists at some point or another if you have any desire to grow your movement.
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 No.156134

>>156131
>you will have to appeal to socialists
you will have to appeal to liberals*


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 No.144501[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This year’s annual survey by the anticommunist Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, conducted by leading pollster firm YouGov, found an immense increase in support for socialism over the last year, particularly among those between the ages of 16 and 39.

>Within the Gen Z group (ages 16-23), support for socialism increased nearly TEN percentage points over the course of a single year: from 40 percent in 2019 to 49 percent when this poll was taken in September 2020.

>Looking at the entire population, support for capitalism declined from 58 percent in 2019 to 55 percent in 2020, while support for socialism among all Americans increased from 36 percent in 2019 to 40 percent in 2020.
>60 percent of Millennials (age 24-39) support a “complete change of our economic system away from capitalism,” and 57 percent of Gen Z does as well: increases of 8 and 14 percentage points, respectively, from just last year.
>Thirty percent of Gen Z has a favorable view of Marxism, and 27 percent of Millennials.


>SOURCE:The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (VOC) today released its fifth Annual Report on U.S. Attitudes Toward Socialism, Communism, and Collectivism. The report, polled by internationally recognized research and data firm YouGov, synthesizes data from 2,100 representative U.S. respondents ages 16 and older, and the margin of error is plus or minus 2.32%

https://victimsofcommunism.org/annual-poll/2020-annual-poll/
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 No.155563

>>155559
>>155561
I agree, I was saying "tbf" in defense of zoomer tiktok/twitter brainlets. It's obviously at the very least a hopeful sign
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 No.155564

>>155563
Oh I see, my apologies for being rude
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 No.155566

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>>144585
There are people in this country who will tell you with a straight face that Marx was a dictator who killed millions of people.
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 No.156011

>>145697
>67 percent serve populations of fewer than 500 people. In 2015, 9 percent of all water systems had a documented violation of water quality standards, exposing 21 million people to unhealthy drinking water. These violations were more likely to occur in rural areas, where communities often have trouble finding the funds to maintain their systems.
>https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/vol--44--no-2--housing/rural-america-s-drinking-water-crisis/
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/texas-town-without-running-water-sandbranch
>This town has been without water for 30 years
>https://time.com/4017476/a-town-without-water/
>Another town on California that's gone a decade with almost no access to drinking water
>https://weather.com/forecast-change/news/2019-06-03-5-us-cities-that-could-potentially-run-out-of-water
>And these are 5 cities that can run out of water fairly easily if droughts continue(which they will).
Does this constitute "hundreds of cities without clean drinking water"?

>https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2018/09/who-are-the-uninsured.html

>28 million are flat out uninsured but I saw numbers closer to 40 million on other sites.
>But even if you have insurance that doesn't mean you can even use it.
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 No.156015

>>144501
The United States will remain a bastion of reaction until the very end. If American proles get too uppity, the ruling class will just turn to New Deal 2.0 or outright fascism.


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 No.148369[Reply]

>Chinese communists do entryism in the KMT
>get purged and massacred

>British socialists do entryism in the Labour Party

>get purged

>American succdems do entryism in the Democratic Party

>accomplish nothing

Why do people keep trying this? Is there a single instance of entryism being a successful strategy at any point in history?
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 No.155546

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>>155540
>things might not be so miserable
Until the climate destroys civilization
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 No.155550

>>155546
If the world stays the way it is I'll kill myself long before that happens.
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 No.155553

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>>155550
>living for the run-up to the apocalypse but not the apocalypse itself
Don't you just wanna go apeshitt
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 No.155572

>>155553
I guess. I would probably go on a killing spree if I thought it would make any difference.
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>>148979
Falangism is weird and they carry a lot of left wing views with them (depending on the variation and what country youre from) it's also vague as fuck and basically cannot be really nailed down to one thing or another other than it's usually Catholic and its usually nationalistic in some sort of way


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 No.153720[Reply]

Fascism has been conceived in Italy in year 1919, although some of its hallmarks have been already present during the first world war. Since the inception of the fascist movement and till the end of 1920 italian entrepreneurs and landlords could not oppose the revolutionary movement openly, this is why during this period fascism didn't play a huge role in their struggle against workers and peasants. Fascists only began to surge after the fall of 1920 when the movement for the takeover of factories and plants ended in failure. Thanks to the complete support of the government, military, police, courts of law and, most importantly, big businessmen and landlords fascists have managed to deploy their terror. Liberals, enamored by the terrorist campaign against the workers and peasants, have made haste to introduce fascists to big politics, and after that to give complete power to Mussolini.
During the long period of its reign, Italian Fascism has made its way from the politics of classic liberalism to an open terroristic dictatorship. In struggle for its existence, this regime didn't shy away from any left-wing rhetoric or any socialist slogans. Dr. Goebbels did not have to invent anything new. Undoubtedly, Italian Fascism and corporatism are pure state capitalism, but the "state" part does not mean "in the interests of the state or the society". It means instead, "with the help of state apparatus". Who was the main beneficiary under the fascist regime? Of course, it was the italian oligarchs. And indeed, as the corporatist system was being built it was becoming clear that no "revolution" in relations between labour and capital has occurred. No social justice has been achieved. Fascists have never had it in their mind to encroach upon private property and other features of capitalist economy. And still, the corporatist system has introduced something new. An ordinary capitalist state is founded on formal recognition of independent labour unions and right to strike. Corporatist state then is founded on violent crackdown on independent workers' organisations and a complete ban on strikes. Class solidarity in fascist terms is an absolutization of business interests and enslavement of workers that in its turn lead to degradation, destruction and war. That is not surprising for if the state stops containg the entrepreneurs' appetites then sooner or later the plundering of population reaches such a ludicrous scope that no terror apparatus will be able to handlPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.155487

>>155395
>It is more interesting, why proto-fascist or post-fascist (as Gaspar Tamas Miklos calls it) discourse is popular in modern Hungary, Poland and the like
In one sense I feel like Eastern European nationalism is like the "zeal of the recent convert." Most Polish nationalists I'll see on the chans come across to me sitting here in Texas like Rush Limbaugh or George W. Bush war-on-terror rhetoric. They sound very pro-West, pro-American, pro-NATO.

Maybe different in Hungary. Regarding more esoteric "dark trad" right-wing weirdos over there, are they influenced by Evola? That's the rub of it for me, I feel, because Evola proposed an aristocratic, conservative doctrine compared to the Italian fascists in the 1910s-1920s. For Evola, the Ancien Regime is always good and even the fascist "revolution" in Italy was bad. That is why it's funny that some of the surviving old guys, when they were still alive, didn't think Evola was a fascist.
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 No.155497

>>155487
Yeas, Polacks are especially funny. They simultaneously love Europe, love being part of "the West" and also be "eurosceptic" cuz cultural-marxist EU will destroy their values and traditions.
Schizo to the max.
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 No.155512

>>153720
Mussolini explicitly said "Fascism is a method", and more specifically is the method of open terroristic violence against the working class to prevent capitalism from crushing due to its own internal contradictions.
The superstructural expression of this can vary (you could have a less racist version like early Mussolini, an atheist/catholic/protestant/islamic version, etc etc) but the core aspect is the one i detailed above IMHO.
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 No.155513

>>155512
*crashing
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 No.155530

>>56299
>>56299
>>56299

Read these threads plz


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 No.154380[Reply]

What are the odds that Capital is effectively an eldritch horror, an egregor, whose form is the transformation of the living world into lifeless commodities, and whose name is Death, whose future is the Apocalypse?
Is Capital the demiurge borne of human social relations?
With the emergence of the Sixth Mass Extinction in Earth’s history, can Capital be known as the nuclear chaos at the center of human social organization that uses its twisting, split forms to emerge as did the asteroid that emerged from the infinite black to destroy that world of the Cretaceous?

Is life a cosmic horror story, black pill me, Leftypol
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 No.155510

>>155207
I mean if you're talking about the OP directly, sure, but that still doesn't have much to do with what I'm talking about unless the development of machinery has actually all been cardboard that the elite have made us all believe is real
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 No.155519

>>155510
Nothing eugene ever states is relevant to anything said in the thread he’s participating in nor with most things Marxists think and believe anyway
Just filter him, he makes it very easy
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 No.155527

>>154754
It isn't any more schizo than the normie christianity
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 No.155549

Moved to >>>/b/26019.


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