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<Gemmylize the Intifada edition


Since February 28, everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.
~Trump ZeDonK

Latest News
>Pirates of the Arabian have entered the chat
<Trump is begging 7 countries (in 5 years) to help police Hummus
>China insists the pool is still closed
<Putin? I don't know what putin is doing tbh
>More ACK's and More ACK's to come from USAF (and fizzlers)
<OIL STILL RISING
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>>2742626
>wfwitness
The Iranian version works.
It seems durov is censoring Iranian telegram channels.

>>2742715
that faggot

someone bake

>>2742874
EMERGENCY BAKE

>>2742918
<<2742918
>>2742918
<<2742918
>>2742918
<<2742918

I've already seen at least one video of a drone hitting an industrial site, so they do come through



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This world nations needing to catch up to the big money bags inertia of first world nations that filled the pockets with colonialism have no choice but to opt for state capitalism. China proved this. Get middle income trapped bitch.

>This world nations needing
Don't care what "nations" "need"

Socialists would rather impoverished countries get sanctioned and isolated from the global economy and left to stagnate and leave their population in poverty rather than embrace the China model of embracing markets and lifting the population into wealth through the market.

>>2742892
The market is just a trojan horse and necessary as long as timmy is on top

>>2742904
Dumb retard mexicans are as laborious as the chinese. Ofcourse itd work.

"state capitalism" isn't a magic spell,if there is nothing to develop,nothing will happen and the contractors the state employ will just pocket the money for years pretending they're going to do something any day now I swear I'm not embezzling state funds wink wink
So now the third world state has 2 choices : develop resource extraction and luxury agriculture,or suffer from the first problem since it's impossible to compete with how cheap everything else is already produced by the global market



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04:42 GMT
Andreas Krieg, a senior lecturer at the School of Security Studies at King’s College London, told Al Jazeera that the US military would not be able to secure the Strait of Hormuz as quickly and easily as Donald Trump hopes.

“Having a Navy ship there is going to act as a deterrent,” he said, adding that Iran would “not hold back” in attacking hostile vessels. He added that attempting to use US military assets in the strait would be “almost suicidal.”

The US Fifth Fleet said on Monday that two of its minesweepers, the USS Tulsa and the USS Santa Barbara, were making “brief logistical stops” in Malaysia.

07:41 GMT
The fire that broke out aboard the USS Gerald Ford aircraft carrier last Thursday was not put out until 30 hours later, the New York Times reports, citing the sailors.

Dozens of crew members suffered smoke inhalation due to the fire, which started in the laundry area, the paper said.

More than 600 sailors were left without beds as a result of the incident, and were forced to sleep on the floor and on tables in other parts of the ship, according to the report.

The USS Gerald Ford, which is taking part in the US-Israeli war against Iran, is currently entering its tenth month of deployment, the second longest for any American carrier since the Vietnam War.

>>2742870
this is the 2nd oldest iran war thread. we're on like #44 buddy

>>2708647
>noone calls trump or elon these things despite them being very openly anti jewish
Each one of Trump's kids beside Barron are married to jews and Elon is one of the most philosemitic man alive.

>>2709419
Dugin is against fascism and nationalism itself actually.



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i cannot take this anymore fuck wage labor fuck wage labor fuck wage labor fuck wage labor i need to burn it all down i cannot be a wageslave any longer please emancipate labor now now now now

That's why I say: if they're going to nuke the world, let it be before the time I get on the bus.

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>>2727425
baby's first 9-5?

wage labor? you are an aristrocrat and deserve to be shot, the real exploited masses are self employed and do the gig economy for mega corps without any social protection whatsoever, you may not like it but the revolutionary subject is petit bourgeois now



 

American culture, and I'm not talking about cultural objects like Burgers, Banjos, Straw hats, or Seersucker suits or cultural Music like Country, Rap or Jazz. Im talking about behavioral culture like Hyper consumerism, Hyper materialism, American exceptionalism, or the insane Police and Military culture that's normalized. Like the last two could be fixed if the left plays its cards right but the consumerism and Materialism thing I think could be permanently bricked into the American brain. I live in America and I will always remember this time when ii was a kid and my family was on our way back from a road trip and we stopped at a McDonalds that was around an hour away from our and my little brother was upset that my Dad forgot to order a Root-Beer so he said "Don't worry we will pass like 15 other McDonald on the way home." And he said that like it was normal. I don't even think that in countries like Europe you can just walk into a Walmart and get like 47 different flavors of Oreos, Like I don't think that its inherently bad but there is no way that we get the stuff to make those Oreos without exploiting the labor of Sugar farmers in or from Guatemala or something, if it was self reliant then its fine but America doesn't manufacture anything we use anymore, Our entire economy is just 5 AI companies shuffling money between themselves. I will always remember that time that Trump was doing in interview about the Tariffs and he said "Well maybe Girls in America can have two dolls instead of thirty dolls" and although I hate Trump and his hostility to China he Isn't wrong about how kids don't need to have 30 of the same dolls to survive, and of course that is why the liberal media attacked him for saying that more then the stuff that deserves condemnation.
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>>2644138
you're still thinking like a voluntary idealist hence your cultural critique is just as brainrotted as the culture you critique, it's downstream from the same dialectical byproduct. go antipodal. study captial vol 2.

>>2644138
It's not a question you seriously ask if you know the history of the communist movement. Every culture can adapt but every single one will also be only barely recognizable. Lenin actually encouraged party members to adopt American ways, by which he meant focus on efficiency.
One big problem is that the founding fathers intended America to be a petty bourgeois country and that cultural focus persists to this day. Even the supposed left there can't bring themselves to be Marxists and despise the very fact that small business exists in modern society. But that's just one thing they'll have to overcome.

>Is it possible to fix American culture?
No and even if it was possible, why?
>the insane Police and Military culture that's normalized. Like the last two could be fixed if the left plays its cards right
HAAHAHAAHHAAA KEK these can only be fixed if the empire falls, taking its security forces with it. What could American leftists even do - tell the cops that it's LE RACIST to shoot black people and the soldiers that it's LE RACIST to randomly invade other countries and kill all the children with bombs and at some point the low-ranking drones will just magically change?

>>2644138
half of those companies aren't even american

Will take a long time. I would say that Europe is probably 70% Americanized since the 1970s for example.
For America to have it's culture change though, it would need to lose it's status as a cultural hegemon and likely there to be a more successful, enviable Communist culture to emulate.



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>be me
>iran could possibly develop nukes
>iran threatens american (and by proxy israeli) interests in the middle east
>iran holds important resources which could serve american corporations
>bomb iran
>kill their leadership, including the ayatollah
>subsequently get raped by iranian missiles
>anti-nuclear khamenei gets replaced by his pro-nuclear son
>iran blocks the strait of hormuz, blocking the transport of oil
>FUCK
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>>2732126
>t.shitlib

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>>2732025
>Socialism,
patriot
>Fascism,
liberal
>Communism,
patriot
>Theocracy,
liberal
>or Monarchy
retard

>>2732219
kek I heard his voice when I read this post

>>2731236
Iran started its nuclear program under the Shah, using Western technology and expertise. The IRI didn't start to develop a civilian industry that could be further developed into a nuclear weapons program on purpose. From the Iranian PoW they never intended to threaten Israel with nukes. Why should they limit what part of their economy they want to develop just because the US and Israel doesn't like their current political system and the way they build alliances in their region?

And for what reason did the Shah want to develop nuclear weapons? Well, at that time Egypt was the most staunch opponent of the US in the region and Iran was one if its greatest, if not the greatest ally of the Americans. Most likely the Shah wanted something they can threaten the Ba'athist countries with, and this was probably done with tacit US approval, especially considering all the help they received from the West. Even in this case the US and its allies were the only ones who had the audacity to consider using nuclear blackmail.

where the fuck did the US-Israeli War on Iran generals go?



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AI-generated. I wrote the lyrics, sang the melody, played the banjo, even got a friend on fiddle.

https://suno.com/song/0ff68a67-0f11-467a-b907-868960274195

you lack a soul

>>2732008

Well there's probably no such thing so yeah.

>posting AI slop on a communist board



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Hey /leftypol/, the more I'm reading about these topics the more I get diverging interpretations that seem unreconcilable. So, what's the global consensus on these notions ?

>historical materialism

The structure of society, which reflects the mode of production (capitalism, socialism, feudalism etc), creates antagonist groups with structural interdependance aswell as structural contradictory modes of existence (i.e. the proletariat will aim to maximize their salaries, but the bourgeoisie will attempt to extract the most surplus value from the proletariat).
Over time, this creates change and conflict within societies, giving way to paradigmic societal change (i.e. feudalism -> capitalism -> …)
However, another interpretation seems to see it through the lens of the development in productive forces. In this case, the contradiction ceases to be between classes, but rather between the development of productive forces with the relations of production (i.e. feudalism preventing capitalism from developing because of taxes or irrational norms).
The first interpretation makes me tend to believe that there is no gradual change from one society towards another, and simply a dialectical movement towards the abolition of classes, whilst the second one seems to be much more technology-centric and linear.

>dialectical materialism

This one seems to be the most controversial one. From what I can gather, it seems that it originated with Engels and that it posits that the material world in eternal motion driven by contradictory forces and structured around 3 natural laws. However, doesn't this imply some form of naturalism ? Nonetheless, another interpretation that I have picked up accounts for it being the idea that man is in a dialectical interaction with his environment, by which he is able to consciously work on it whilst also being determined by the latter. This interpretation can be imo hardly derived easily from the first one.

>alienation

Every individual is intrinsically a social and creative potential, by which he can be fulfilled or alienated. Alienation here refers to the mechanisms inherent to capitalism which "alienates" the proletariat from that potential by reducing them to cogs.
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>>2710368
>I don't really see how all these can be reconciled.
yeah i dont either your reading seems jumbled and incoherent like you are trying to distill a complex concept into easily digestible bullet points for memorizing to take a multiple choice test. first of all dialectical and historical materialism are basically synonyms so start with that. dialectics isn't controversial and the people who say that are not real communists and have no idea what they are talking about. theres perfect continuity from marx to engels to stalin and mao in the understanding of dialectics and i suggest seeking the common thread between their works to understand what it means



 

Im trying to look into the epstien conspiracy and links to pizzagate back in 2016-2017, idk about yall but this has fully become my hyper fixation and if can have more schizos send some files or links ill suck you thru the screen
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>>2737266
Damn boy, I was one of the biggest Pizza Gaters around but just because I think spreading disinformation and conspiracies about that whore Hillary Clinton is based. I can show you the most crazy stuffs if you would give me a minute to dig it up.

>>2737342
im a the point idc whats real or not i just want a good story

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>>2737349
Alright, so this all started by making hay out of the Podesta Email leaks from wikileaks. The craziest shit I found is that Dennis Hastert and the Podestas all went to some future leaders camp in Japan as youths called "Camp Nose" and they all kept up with each other since then. Dennis Hastert was the Speaker of The House and he got convicted of paying hush money to a man who he formerly molested when he was a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert
>John Dennis Hastert (/ˈhæstərt/ HASS-tərt; born January 2, 1942) is an American former politician and convicted felon who served as the 51st speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1999 to 2007.[1] A member of the Republican Party, he represented Illinois's 14th congressional district from 1987 to 2007 and was the 6th longest-serving speaker in history, and the longest serving Republican. In 2016, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for financial offenses related to the sexual abuse of teenage boys, although he was never convicted of any sexual crimes.[2][3]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48488



<Dear Mac

<Cant believe its almost 50 years since Camp Nose
<I have stayed in touch with denny Hastert and jan ettelt and andy dolan all these years
<Its wonderful to reconnect with you
<Are you posted in new York?
<I would love to see you
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>>2737376
it never fails to amaze me how not matter what these cunts have a backup plan to either make everything disappear or fuck off to isolated rape island, there will never be a email that says "you fucked up time to pay the piper"

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The 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul provided a vivid demonstration of how even decentralized movements can successfully detect and neutralize infiltrators through collective practice. According to contemporaneous reporting, members of the RNC Welcoming Committee, an anarchist federation of anonymous affinity groups, systematically photographed law enforcement during confrontations and worked to memorize faces over the months.

This practice paid off concretely. At a rally in Mears Park, a protester recognized a man who looked like an anarchist or leftist, dark clothes, red flag, backpack, disheveled appearance, and realized she had photographed him days earlier during a police raid on the Welcoming Committee's headquarters. She spread word to other protesters, who confronted the man and his two associates and told them to leave the park. The men departed and entered an unmarked sedan whose license plate traced back to the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office detective unit. Private investigators associated with the affinity groups were able to recover these plates.

Later the same day, protesters identified two additional men during a planned march, one singled out simply because he was wearing brand, new tennis shoes, a subtle marker of inexperience or incongruity with movement norms. Those men also left in an unmarked sedan.

Academic assessment of security culture during the RNC found it had "a mixed record". It succeeded in "frustrating shorter-term infiltrators operating at the movement's peripheries, but "generally failed to prevent longer-term infiltrators from gaining others' trust" . This distinction is crucial to understand. The men identified in Mears Park and the march were likely peripheral operatives which is shorter-term infiltrators whose behavior or appearance had not yet fully assimilated to movement norms. The deeper penetrations, the operatives who spent months building relationships and trust, remained undetected.

>>Detection Protocols, what the people can actually do


The RNC example illuminates several concrete practices that movements employ to detect infiltrators –

>>Documentation and Memory Work. Systematic photography of law enforcement during operations creates a visual database that can be referenced when unfamiliar faces appear in movement spaces. The protester who recognized the raid participant did so b
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>>The Operational Mechanics of the Dead End

What does this look like in practice for a movement organization??? Let us walk through the infiltrator's journey from the inside.

>>Phase One: Access.


The infiltrator shows up. They attend open meetings, public actions, visible events. They are observed by the movement's distributed immune system, not a formal vetting committee, but dozens of people who notice and share patterns. The Army's OPSEC guidance warns that adversaries "scour the internet and social media sites for tidbits of information" and will "stake out places where large numbers of people gather to collect information". Movements invert this and they watch the watchers, noting who appears where and with whom, what vehicles leave what buildings, and show up in what spaces.

>>Phase Two, Trust-Building


Months pass. The infiltrator demonstrates commitment. They show up consistently, take risks, build relationships. They are gradually granted access to more sensitive spaces, working groups, planning meetings, encrypted channels and comms. But here the design intervenes. Because the movement practices graduated trust and functional compartmentalization, each new level of access reveals only what is necessary for that specific role. The person who helps plan logistics does not learn the names of everyone in the wider communications team. The person who facilitates one "safe house" so-to-speak does not know of the other "safe houses" they have not been involved in.

>>Phase Three, The Moment of Activation.


The infiltrator has spent two years, perhaps three or more, building credibility. They have been patient, careful, convincing. Now they receive the signal from their handlers to act. They attempt to access sensitive information, and discover they cannot. The wider network of "safe house" locations are known only to a different cell. The names of key organizers are held in a encrypted list they never saw. The tactical plans for the next action are being developed in a group they do not even know exists.
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My apologies for the length, these are complex matters that resist easy summary. The essence of what we covered is this - centralized party structures proved fatally vulnerable to modern state infiltration, as COINTELPRO's devastation of groups like the CPUSA and Black Panthers demonstrated. Decentralized networks emerged as a necessary adaptation rather than ideological choice, forcing the FBI and European security forces to work harder, cast wider nets, and rely on technological surveillance where human infiltration consistently has failed. The 2008 RNC protests showed that shorter-term infiltrators could be spotted and isolated. But decentralization creates its own vulnerabilities. Agent provocateurs exploit the absence of central authority to push for reckless escalation, hoping movements will burn themselves out or isolate themselves, making easy targets for repression.

The solution is not closed off organizing forms but building movements with ingrained immune systems, graduated trust that limits what any single person can access, compartmentalization that ensures no betrayal reveals the whole, and internal brakes ie; shared understandings of proportionality, that resist provocateur pressure without speedy commands from above. The GRU's illegal residencies proved that the most secure networks are built on preexisting relationships that cannot be easily infiltrated. The ultimate achievement is not perfect security but resilience so deep that infiltration becomes strategically useless. Everything we've discussed here, is the standard for modern intelligence agencies creating hostile proxy movements in adversary nations. It's tested in the field.

>>2736551
I don't see how self-immolation is adventurism. It's just dumb.

>>2737002

The way people use adventurist, isn't even correct. When the working-class is more comfortable with certain actions than the leftists, doesn't that reflect the base adventuring beyond the supposed "vanguard"? lmao. I don't think academic organizing has 0 value, but the overemphasis on it does not have the same results academic organizing does abroad, because in USA that is not a public sphere.

>>2737002

Adventuring beyond life into the after life.



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