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 No.1017257[Reply]

They aboutta make vidya games real.
But the absolute state of burgers
On topic though, why have mass shooter incidents shot through the roof this year?
Is this how glowies demonstrate their fears of potential revolutionary turmoil?
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>>1017365
>am /chem/, can confirm. chlorine gas bombs are easy to make. chloramines also, one of which is an unstable explosive
Mind telling more? For use in Minecraft, of course.

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>>1020341
>butane

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>>1017269
>I can't wait for the first "school mass shooter" who stealthily kills their way to the lockdown panel or who, by the time they get caught has dozens of knife victims in conveniently locked classrooms or stashed around out of sight.
pic related the next school shooter

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>>1017365
>>1020345
Fellow Assad enjoyers, I see

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>>1020691
we do a little gassing



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 No.942577[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The Communist Party of China, unlike the Bolshevik Party in Russia, didn't emerge from proletarian class struggle against the bourgeoisie of China, but from patriotic intelligentsia which sought inspiration on Soviet Russia after the failure of the 1911 revolution, in fact it's program was essentially one of national liberation and land reform. This is understandable given the semifeudal and semicolonial conditions of 1920s China. That is not to say that the proletarians had no part on the foundation of the CPC, but in actuality the party consisted of several classes and fractions (proletarians, peasants, national bourgeoisie, petite bourgeoisie and intellectuals) united on the goal of liberating China from feudalism and colonialism. This worked fine during the War of Liberation since the proletariat, the national bourgeoisie (those sectors of the petite bourgeoisie and the capitalists who didn't depend on imperialism) and the peasantry had a common goal. With the founding of the People's Republic of China, the Communist Party headed a democratic-bourgeois government of alliance between the classes that participated in the national liberation, under a policy of state capitalism and people's democracy. This is what Mao called New Democracy, or People's Democratic Dictatorship.

But once the period of socialist construction began (with land reform, agricultural collectivization and nationalization of industry) there were severe differences in political line between the the proletarian left (headed by Mao Zedong) and the national bourgeois right (headed by Liu Xiaoqi and Deng Xiaoping). In short, the left wanted to go forward with socialization of the economy and strengthening proletarian dictatorship, while the right wanted to maintain the alliance with the national bourgeoisie and continue with the state capitalist economic strategy. Agricultural and political policies changed from left to right several times while a soviet-style planning was introduced to heavy industry, specially in Manchuria.

The main economic problem of China at the time was that it lacked the infrastructure needed to develop modern agriculture (railways, canals, large irrigation etc) and heavy industry, a problem made worse with the ending of Soviet economic aid due to the Sino-Soviet split. The Great Leap Forward was an attempt pushed by the left to solve the problem through mass mobilization of the masses, in order to use the huge manpower of China to build the needePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>1020125
>I just said that if the only foreseeable outcome of your criticism is to manufacture consent for imperialism, then there is no good reason to make it.
What makes you say that this is the only foreseeable outcome? The context in which criticism is made obviously changes its relevance. Sure, if I spend all day talking to normies in public about the things I don't like about China, then I'm in effect manufacturing consent for Western imperialism. However if you're talking to a bunch of other communists who already oppose Western imperialism in a less public setting, then it's hard to argue that this will somehow strengthen Western imperialism. Critical analysis is imperative for understanding what's actually happening in these countries, and what lessons are to be learned from their successes and failures. China itself offers a good example of this, since the CPC criticized and learned from the mistakes of the Bolsheviks and Stalin to more effectively build a mass base among the peasants.

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>>943324
Shit like this is why I no longer bother with this board

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>>943324
VGH…meine eternal struggle between the decadent west and the emerging east…the have's and have not's…solidarity with the Donetsk People's Republic and critical support for those who have private property rights enshrined in the constitution and national bourgeoisie in their flags! Solidarity with those who equate communism with chauvinist empire! Solidarity for surplus being extracted by the gov-I'll stop.
>>943398
Good post, but like other anons said, that just ties China into the international community at large. Also the USSR wasn't entirely isolationist in tech, their computers ran on UNIX and there's all the early technology/factory trades with the West, etc. Not a high scale compared to China yeah, but coexistence and sharing of technology is there, only because they exported surplus abroad though.

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>>1020354
>What makes you say that this is the only foreseeable outcome? The context in which criticism is made obviously changes its relevance

Sure.
What country are you from and what language are we speaking right now?
Where are the bulk of /leftypol/ users from?

 No.1021175

>>981527
You fucking bloody bastard, why do you need to greentext his entire fucking post to respond



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 No.1016148[Reply]

I'm not talking about states where the military was well funded and glorified by the state, rather states that were established through means of military coup, think Nasserist Egypt, the DERG in Ethopia, Poland under Jaruzelski, Algeria under Ben Bella, Mayanmar/Burma under the Tatmadaw e.t.c
all these were undeniably military dictatorships under a single dictator or a full Junta who claimed to fight for a socialist/progressive cause
there are many who would argue that any state under military rule can never be a full socialist state, and think of it as an oxymoron, but I'd be curious if there has ever been an argument in favor for leftist military dictatorships
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>>1019028
He abandoned communism after the counterrevolution of 1989 and he was a useless pacifist cunt towards Glowidarity. Absolutely zero respect for him, should've died in Siberia.

 No.1019634

If its not full communism aka direct communal democracy its as worse than liberal capitalism.

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>>1018856
It would have collapsed decades ago without our Military and intelligence, they are really good at putting down revolts, way better then Arab states

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>>1016210
>Mussolini made the trains run on time,
But he didn't.

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>>1020752
not the point, just saying borderline fascist military dictatorships cause they did minor good thing, is akin to usual fascist defense



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 No.908589[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What architectural style should socialism/communism have? Should it be classical Stalinist Brutalism? Or should it be avant-garde? What type of density and urban planning, and public transit, if any, should be favored? busses? Light rail? Bullet trains? Should there be "Urban gardens"?

Rank architectural styles from based and commie to cringe and reactionary.

https://tiermaker.com/list/history/architectural-style-tierlist-188776/1495503
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>>993570
Some are good, some are just lsd bad trips. But the problem is that if it is just to mask poverty

 No.993698

Who is the uyghur complaining about every single thing people post here. Shit thread

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actually architecturally we will have socialism in one wizard tower. magic (magnets) will be used to force our buildings to float taking advantage of the earth's magnetic fields and also ritual sacrifice of people to prevent the spell from weakening

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>>978964
Nah, grey looks pretty good.

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>>908599
Some of these look like an amorphous blob of steel and glass, devoid of any personalty from each other, and they seem more at home as a set for dystopia movie.



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Julian Assange can be extradited, says UK home secretary
Mr Assange has 14 days to appeal over the decision, the Home Office said. It said the courts found extradition would not be "incompatible with his human rights" and that while in the US "he will be treated appropriately". Mr Assange is wanted by the American authorities over documents leaked in 2010 and 2011, which the US says broke the law and endangered lives.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256

Kurdish, Syrian, Iranian forces coordinate ahead of Turkish operation
The so-called North Thunderbolt joint operations room is located at a Russian base in the village of Hardatnin in the northern countryside of Aleppo. The operations room includes the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG); a battalion affiliated with the Iran-backed Fatemiyoun; a battalion affiliated with the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement; Iranian-backed groups from the towns of Nubl and al-Zahraa; formations of the Syrian regime forces from the towns of Abna al-Sahel, Hayyan, Haraytan, Anadan and Masakan; and the Baath Brigades.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/06/kurdish-syrian-iranian-forces-coordinate-ahead-turkish-operation

Cash-strapped UN agency for Palestinian refugees faces $100m funding gap
The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa), which provides healthcare and education to millions of Palestinians, is facing a funding gap of $100m, a top official has said. Philippe Lazzarini, commissioner-general of Unrwa, told reporters in Beirut on Wednesday that the agency was "facing a major financial crisis which reduced our ability to deal with the Palestinian refugees' crisis".
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestine-gaza-unrwa-funding-gap

Catalonia recognises Israel 'committing crime of apartheid' against Palestinians
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>>1020915
>https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/06/kurdish-syrian-iranian-forces-coordinate-ahead-turkish-operation
>The operations room also includes two Russian officers, three officers from Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, three Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) leaders and two leaders from the regime forces.

Dogmatic anarkiddies and MLs alike seething. Thank you based news anon

 No.1020940

Unison conference: Right wing smells blood, as left runs for the hill
As reported previously, the right wing and the bureaucracy have gone on the offensive against the left-led NEC at this year’s Unison national delegate conference – using every opportunity and deploying every dirty trick in the book to attack the left, in an effort to restore their control over the union. On Tuesday, the first day of conference, the right wing proposed and voted through a motion of no confidence in the NEC, alongside two other factional motions, containing all manner of lies and smears. Subsequently, scenting blood, the right wing have pressed home their advantage, pushing through further punitive motions and rule changes. This morning, an emergency motion was tabled, demanding a statement from the NEC in relation to the previously-passed no confidence vote – a calculated attempt to further humiliate and demoralise left-wing activists, in the hope of breaking their resistance. Behind these orchestrated attacks lies a bureaucratic caste within the union. They are aware of the threat that a genuinely left-led fighting Unison poses to them; to the perks, privileges, and power that these unaccountable officials have traditionally enjoyed. And behind them stands the weight of the establishment and the ruling class, who are determined to keep Britain’s largest union – representing 1.3 million public sector workers – under their control. As such, these unscrupulous ladies and gentlemen are prepared to do whatever it takes to remove the left from their democratically-elected positions. Bullying behaviour; campaigns of harassment; outright slander: nothing is off the table. They are ruthless – willing to win by any means necessary.
https://www.socialist.net/unison-conference-right-wing-smells-blood-as-left-runs-for-the-hills.htm

Situation in Turkey: Decay and “Collapse!”
The general situation in Turkey has progressed in the direction indicated in the 1st Congress of our party and the PMK meetings held afterwards. In the last period, the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic, in particular, deepened the crisis experienced by the Turkish economy. The deepening of the economic crisis, the gradual impoverishment of the people and the decrease in purchasing power caPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Thanks News Anon

 No.1021093

>Kurdish, Syrian, Iranian forces coordinate ahead of Turkish operation
BASED

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>>1020915
>A 650,000-barrel-cargo of Venezuela's oil chartered by Italy's Eni (ENI.MI) is about to set sail carrying the first export of crude from the U.S.-sanctioned country to Europe in two years, Refinitiv Eikon data showed on Friday. The U.S. State Department sent letters to Eni and Spain's Repsol (REP.MC) in May authorizing them to resume taking Venezuelan crude as a way to settle billions of dollars of unpaid debt and dividends owed by the OPEC-member nation.
GUAIDO ON SUICIDE WATCH



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 No.1011111[Reply]

Why does far-right art and propaganda always hide the eyes? And why are they obsessed with Rome? Both past and current right-wing propaganda hide the eyes of the people
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 No.1021000

>>1020991
>'homofash' is unproductive
yes it was a joke, of course that was unproductive
>le
why?

OP asked a question. Why do they worship Rome? How is pointing out their western fantasy of Rome not a useful response to that question?

You make a real point about the OP mixing modern and 80+ year old propaganda as if the movements creating them are the same with the same reasons: there are obvious similarities but to mix the 'far-right' examples and not the 'far left' is strange.

>If fashwave is cool, why not just make your own equivalent.

<what is laborwave
Also fashwave is just the nostalgia aspect of vaporwave visual aesthetic and then butcherized to just be 'vhs filter is old and glowing looks cool'. Consider an alternative on the left being solarpunk and other authentic -punk aesthetics (so not cyberpunk-derivatives that no longer understand why cyberpunk has the suffix -punk in it).

>I think the Buffalo shooter, being originally a stated socialist and instead switching to the right wing and shooting a bunch of random black people should have been a bigger wake up call to leftist spaces.

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>>1021000
>How is pointing out their western fantasy of Rome not a useful response to that question?
It is the correct response but when you, and multiple other people in the thread, go further to make fun of identification with a civilization that most of the western world identifies with you alienate that base. It doesn't matter if you didn't mean to, if I took it that way I have no doubt others will. Why would someone who knows nothing about Marxism trust people who denigrate their ideation of their ancestors? They wouldn't and don't and it falls directly into right wing propaganda. "Marxism is when hate white people."
>laborwave
Interesting, thank you, I'll look into it more. I can't say I have seen much of it but I will look for more of it.
>That 'we're losing the meme war when it comes to insane teens'? What productive message do you have for us?
That if you are serious in your message you should not belittle the people who are willing to give their lives for the political causes they believe in, particularly when they once held your beliefs. It is always hard to identity those that are actively attempting to cull a political movement with those that have been influenced to by bad actors to take on stances that do so. That young mans life could have done much greater things with than throwing it away committing a random atrocity that doesn't even effect the power structure.

 No.1021054

This is the new unironic fascist circlejerk thread isn't it?

 No.1021059

>>1021000
>homofash' is unproductive

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>>1021041
Wow, I sure hope I don't offend any non-Marxists on a board called Leftist Politically Incorrect!
It's a thing called 'context'. I don't care about alienating people who aren't reading this, because they aren't reading this. I'm not going to talk to a potential-rightoid in real life and say 'nazis idolized non-white faggot boyfuckers'. That's shit rhetoric, yes! But that doesn't matter in this thread because if anything, we WANT to alienate them here!



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 No.1020881[Reply]

Ideology/worldview is relevant in this thread, so pick the appropriate ideology flag if your reply is worth reading.

The USA has seen a substantial rise in its labour movement in 2021 and 2022.
The National Labor Relations Board has reported "union representation petitions filed at the NLRB have increased 57%—up to 1,174 from 748 during the first half of FY2021."[1] The count of union representation petitions for the recent decades has been:[1]
>2000-2002: 382
>2002-2004: 1847
>2004-2006: 1860
>2006-2008: 4859
>2008-2010: 6356
>2010-2012: 5850
>2012-2014: 5308
>2014-2016: 5507
>2016-2018: 4819
>2018-2020: 4149
>2020-2022: 3390
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>>1021052
whats the logical conclusion of this line of thinking? no one should pay attention to other nations?

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>>1021060
If it's world relevant news then that the USA is having a literal plague outbreak right now is big

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>>1021032
Amazon is actually a big deal, they are relied on by many industries . Keep in mind that if the industry is actually critical, the national guard will break the strike. In that sense workers in all industries are equally powerful in that they are only powerful against the state itself insofar as they are willing to take arms.

 No.1021169

>>1021112
>Amazon is actually a big deal
Amazon workers don't have the ability to swirch off the levers of capitalism. It does not mean shit if Amazon workers all left their jobs capitalism will carry along. You can do your parade of "unionizing" but I will not partake until the foundations of capitalism crumble.

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>>1020932
Why do they get "domestic lenience", why aren't they just controlled opposition of current elites?



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 No.677380[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Post yer vids 'ere, webms, mp4s are welcome.

First thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/9920

Second thread >>>/leftypol_archive/481354

Third thread >>>/leftypol_archive/492596

WebMConverter by WebMBro: https://github.com/WebMBro/WebMConverter "WebM for retards."
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 No.1020715[Reply]

"Gender identity" isn't a category because being exclusive to the mind it attempts to intrude upon the distinction between males and females where there is objective physical differences. All other categories which are actually legitimate have relation to the material. The newfangled concept of gender seems to be able to be boiled down to "I feel… therefore I am".
"Gender identity" is completely antithetical to scientific categorization… pseudoscientific bunk
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>>1020715
> is completely antithetical to scientific categorization… pseudoscientific bunk
Sure self identification is basically the opposite of scientific evidence.
To get a scientific understanding you have to reserve judgement and wait for neuro-psychology.

The persons who make these social theories aren't interested in science they are lawyers striving to create legal statutes. Legally self identification compares to a witness making a statement and counts as legal evidence. Scientist and lawyers strongly disagree when it comes to a hierarchy of evidence. In a legal setting a witness making a claim is considered strong evidence. In a scientific setting it would be the weakest kind. From a Marxist perspective you have liberalism trying to resolve the contradiction of social norms, by creating more social roles. They can't let go of social roles altogether and just let people be what they'll be, because they need social roles to anker normative class subjugation. Liberalism allows you to have a role that better fits your disposition as long as it reproduces class relations. Many people on the left do not see it that way and very strongly believe that they can subvert or even invert liberalism on this front. They are stubbornly underestimating the power of capitalism and it's ability of recuperating formative social relations. I know such theory is boring, so just ask your self if the identity includes the ability to say no to the boss, to make the class character apparent.

I think you should analyze why there is so much attachment to identities, and rather than negate them all together and find a non-identitarian substitute that does not conflict with scientific sensibilities. Alternatives are more palatable than negations. If you care about socialist goals make the alternative as disagreeable to the bourgeoisie as possible. However I would caution against mingling sex and politics, the tendency for this game to become reactionary is more powerful than you.

 No.1021022

>>1020796
>Because being a woman and being female are intrinsically tied
Only in the sense that females are expected fit into what society defines as feminine or woman-like. That does not mean however that what it is to be a woman is entirely related to biological sex, as we can observe how society changes what is seen as woman-like.
>Being seen as or "presenting" as a woman is irrelevant,
How is it irrelevant when there are issues that those particular people face?
>the repeal of Roe v Wade does not target women based on how they present, no law or social custom targeting women has been over how they present or appear, but their biological role in human reproduction, this is the nature of women's oppression
Yes, and? I never denied that biological woman face specific issues only relevant to them. Also, this is only half true, as how people present has been relevant to how society structures itself.
>and the bedrock on which the gender identity itself was formed, even preceding the existence of patriarchal class societies
Yes, I have read Engels too you fag. However, we now exist in a situation where those who identify differently do face specific issues because they society is in confusion over what being a woman is, because females now occupy roles they never did in the past.
>What society sees as feminine and woman-like is directly tied to the biology of human females and how their biology is utilized to suppress them socially
Again, not wholly. The reason for this is that what is a "woman" is now something which sees social "confusion" as people now see progression in the economic roles they occupy.
>This does not change the nature of women's oppression, it only shows that the evolution of capitalism is eroding women's oppression as time goes on, just as racial differentiation is eroded as capitalism goes on, just as oppression based on sexual orientation has been eroded. And of course this is all likely to reverse due to the ecological crisis, where women will likely again be seen as a resource due to their biological role in reproduction, racial minorities in historically colonialist nations are associated with refugees from neocoloniPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>1020715
mechanichal/metaphysician materialist dumbass. but like lenin said even smart idealism is closer to dialectical materialism than stupid materialism like that.
Herre's what E. Ilyenkov has to say on the ideal:
"It is in these “things” that the ideal exists as the “subjective”, purposeful form-creating life activity of social man, embodied in the material of nature.

The ideal form is a form of a thing, but a form that is outside the thing, and is to be found in man as a form of his dynamic life activity, as goals and needs. Or conversely, it is a form of man’s life activity, but outside man, in the form of the thing he creates. “Ideality” as such exists only in the constant succession and replacement of these two forms of its “external embodiment” and does not coincide with either of them taken separately. It exists only through the unceasing process of the transformation of the form of activity – into the form of a thing and back – the form of a thing into the form of activity (of social man, of course).

Try to identify the “ideal” with any one of these two forms of its immediate existence – and it no longer exists. All you have left is the “substantial”, entirely material body and its bodily functioning. The “form of activity” as such turns out to be bodily encoded in the nervous system, in intricate neuro-dynamic stereotypes and “cerebral mechanisms” by the pattern of the external action of the material human organism, of the individual’s body. And you will discover nothing “ideal” in that body. The form of the thing created by man, taken out of the process of social life activity, out of the process of man-nature metabolism, also turns out to be simply the material form of the thing, the physical shape of an external body and nothing more. A word, taken out of the organism of human intercourse, turns out to be nothing more than an acoustic or optical phenomenon. “In itself” it is no more “ideal” than the human brain.

And only in the reciprocating movement of the two opposing “metamorphoses” – forms of activity and forms of things in their dialectically contradictory mutual transformations – DOES THE IDEAL EXIST.

Therefore, it was only DIALECTICAL materialism that was able to solve the problem of the ideality of things."

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 No.1021944

I will say that the only positive thing about /pol/ as opposed to /leftypol/ is that the former will just say "i hate transhumanists and they shouldnt exist in my ideal society" instead of dumping you a wall of text about how transgenders are erasing the God Emperor Sex and opressing the all the uyghas of the world by simply being there

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>>1021944
Also organ farming & womb implants are gonna get widespread among m2f transsexuals in 60 years (source: me)



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 No.1020335[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

As we move forward what will socialism do about the brutal slaughter and abuse of animals?

Will this be a priority in socialist systems or is this a non-issue?
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>>1020507
>>Babies have the capability of learning
>No they don't, not until they are toddlers
holy shit lmao
How do you think babies recognize their parents? They have to LEARN sensory cues.

>>1020517
>Humans can reject their learning, dogs can't
What does that have to do with whether something is learned? You are now saying that "objects" can learn, but that they can't decide to ignore what they learn.

>>1020569
>The smartest ape is more intelligent and conscious than the dumbest human
No shit, some babies are born with brains missing.

 No.1020576

>>1020569
Apes are not even that special, the smartest bird, the smartest canidae, etc etc.

 No.1020585

>>1020572
>Animals do not and connect learn
>Animals do not and cannot have experiences
The problem with your entire argument is that it relies on retarded tautologies and worthless philosophyfag conjectures, not, say, biology and neurology

You're trying to use philosophy to hammer down biological facts and it makes you a retarded "anon"

 No.1020587

Dolphins are smart enough to make their own civilization. They are held back by their bodies.

 No.1020588

>>1020346
People said I was "gaslighting" for saying there were people on this board who think all vegans are nazis.

Apologise to me you motherfucker.



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