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US and Ecuador fabricating drug trafficking charges against Colombia’s president: audio
In the recording, an Ecuadorean official discusses a “special task force backed by the US Embassy” in Quito that seeks to revoke outstanding extradition requests for drug lords from the border region and convince them to testify against Petro. "So my job is to go to Interpol to have those alerts removed… because the gringos want to catch them—they want to catch one of these guys and make him sing against Petro. You get what I mean? We’re not really going to get involved in that, but the gringos are."
https://colombiareports.com/us-and-ecuador-fabricating-drug-trafficking-charges-against-colombias-president-audio/

Venezuela's government, opposition may cooperate to safeguard US assets
Lawyers for Rodriguez's government and the opposition asked Manhattan-based U.S. Magistrate ​Judge Sarah Netburn on Monday to pause for 45 days a ⁠case in which creditors are seeking to seize funds linked to state oil ​company Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA.UL) while they determined who would represent Venezuela's interests.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuelas-government-opposition-may-cooperate-safeguard-us-assets-2026-04-06/

Australia: Labor government conducts police raids against anti-genocide protesters in Melbourne
Early on the morning of March 27, Victoria Police Public Order Response Team (PORT) officers in full combat gear conducted eight raids upon homes around Melbourne to detain eight women who had taken part in a March 6 protest outside the Victorian Trades Hall building. Because the police went to a wrong address, one of the women was raided and arrested on April 1. Just a day before the eight raids, on March 26, heavily-armed NSW police commandos stormed the home of a woman who had joined the large demonstration at Sydney Town Hall on February 9 against the visit by Israeli President Isaac Herzog.
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New Jersey cannot regulate Kalshi’s prediction market, federal appeals court rules
A three-judge panel of the Philadelphia-based third US circuit court of appeals ruled 2-1 in finding that the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission has exclusive jurisdiction over the sports-related event contracts that Kalshi allows people to trade on its platform.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/apr/06/new-jersey-kalshi-ruling-cftc

Trump endorses Republican Steven Hilton for California governor, reordering wide-open race
The endorsement — coming about a month before mail ballots go to voters in advance of the June 2 primary — will help Hilton coalesce conservative support in a race with no clear leader. However, Trump is widely unpopular in heavily Democratic California outside his conservative base and Trump’s backing would become a liability if Hilton faces a Democrat in the November election.
https://apnews.com/article/california-governor-donald-trump-endorsement-steve-hilton-0c3b0f4752466e3fd12463cbb49c079d

Upstate NY judge removed from bench amid charges he advised illegal eviction, deleted emails, more
Investigators found Lilley gave legal advice to landlords outside of court about how to remove tenants from a mobile home, according to the commission’s findings. He told the property owners to serve a notice to vacate and later suggested they change the locks after the tenants were gone for about two weeks. But under New York law, tenants who have lived somewhere for at least 30 days can’t be locked out without going through the court process, the commission said.
https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2026/04/upstate-ny-judge-removed-from-bench-amid-charges-he-advised-illegal-eviction-deleted-emails-more.html

West Virginia governor vetoes help for neglected and foster kids after approving tax cuts
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Donald Trump Has Given Iran a New Deadline, Again
In times of war, leaders tend to look towards the future’s history books as they compose their letters and speeches. Regret and stoicism; conviction and sorrow; grit and greatness: these are the themes that presidents and princes strive to capture with pithy eloquence as they prepare their populations for sacrifice. So too with Donald Trump on Easter Sunday. “Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell,” he picked from the drafts, “JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.” The inspirational coffee mugs produce themselves. Dubbing this coming Tuesday “Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one”, it’s far from the first time that Trump has threatened war crimes against Iran’s civilian infrastructure (and he’s already done more than a few too). On 21 March, Tehran was given 48 hours to allow ships through the Strait of Hormuz. By 23 March, it was five days. On the 26th, it became ten. On the 30th, it was ‘immediately’, which was rolled back to 48 hours this Saturday, then 48 hours again on Sunday. Trump may have promised to bomb Iran ‘back to the stone ages’ last week, but when it comes to statecraft, it appears Washington is already there. Because, as any child will tell you, the parental leap from “I really mean it” to “I really, really mean it this time” isn’t upwards, but downwards when it comes to authority.
https://novaramedia.com/2026/04/06/donald-trump-has-given-iran-a-new-deadline-again/

Why the doctors’ strike matters to all trade unionists
THE six-day strike by resident doctors in England, due to start after the Easter bank holiday weekend, raises issues that concern the whole labour movement. Doctors’ disputes are sometimes viewed at arm’s length by other trade unionists. The British Medical Association (BMA) remains outside the TUC. Doctors, unlike most NHS workers, are not part of Agenda for Change bargaining structures, which can reduce solidarity across the healthcare workforce, and their wages are relatively higher. Nor does every strike slogan — the threats to move to New Zealand for higher pay that featured on some junior doctors’ picket line placards last year, for instance — encourage sympathy from workers on lower pay with no such options. But theirPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Israel will be gone before the end of the decade. How can this be used to advance the Marxist cause?

I imagine a lot of people will stop believing in God after the Promised Land fails. That's good, right?
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>>2770325
Because otherwise a majority Palestinian Israel will be in control of them

>>2770352
The Samson option is still a risk in this scenario.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

>>2770374
They are stupid enough to nuke themselves yes, but that would the require new settlers and settlements, and nobody will move to a nuked city.

>>2770376
The point of the Samson option is to act as a deterrent. But Israel might be more inclined to actually do mutually assured destruction. Of course, this is assuming spite overrides self preservation.

>>2752124
I don't know about end of the decade but I could see within the next 20 years.
#5 is absolutely true though. Israelis have no loyalty to the actual land, because they don't have real roots and have ties to other countries. If they fear for their lives the ones who can leave will leave.



 

Going out on a real limb here and being genuine.
I've got a really long history I'm not gonna Dear Diary about, but I've been around a bit.
Even though I was part of various groups that are Alt-Right I have always had various Left-of-Center beliefs. I felt like I was the only one that understood the
>socialist
aspects of various camps for a while.
Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
>and I've been to prison so I have a wide berth of experience with shit people
and I want off the fucking ride.
I can't say I don't believe in some
>"Right-of-Center"
things and I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
I actually have read lots of Leftist literature like Marx and Engels and a few others. Maybe they aren't really
>Leftist
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>>2764326
If you're too lazy to read, then I'll leave you with a quote from Lenin about what imperialist capitalism is:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:


<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.


<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

Proletarian internationalism is a duty, no matter what you complain about, and all bourgeois states will be overthrown for the supremacy of the proletariat, no matter your opinion or your outrage.

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>>2765362
I am actually starting to see some of your points about socialist culture et al. A lot of what passes for culture is actually foisted on us by Pedophilic Capitalists as PsyOps. It's inorganic and forced brain-washing, it's not actual real folk culture. Sort've what this person above >>2720829
if that makes sense. I am starting to see the light on some of these issues through reading and thought. But a lot of what I see is that especially for American Whites there's no pleasing Lefties. They just have this intrinsic Hate-Boner for us that is impossible to get around.
It reminds me of the very, very early days of the Alt-Right where everyone who wasn't significantly German enough in attitude couldn't be on their team. The Alt-Right eventually beat these people in the head and told them to shut the fuck up, because nursing a historionic revenge-fantasy was getting in the way of actually putting ideology into practice and accomplishing a goal.
The Left really doesn't seem to have that figured out and it is honestly one Hell of a fucking hill to get over for me.
Frankly I don't think no matter what I do I'm ever going to be decent enough for anyone in any of these circles and I'm not exactly trying to jump into direct association with anything, anyway.
Honestly I don't think I all-the-way agree with everything in Leftism anymore than I did with everything in the Right-wing. I think many people in the Left, just certain real-life issues fly right the fuck over their heads.
These people probably think Zhukov should've been never allowed to be in authority within the Red Army because one time at some point in his life he fought for the White Russians and the Tsars before that. Utter brain-dead wing-cuck thinking that's never going to create anything.

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>>2770061
if you want to know about the abolition of the volk, i would suggest alain de benoist's "beyond human rights" (2011) which explores the legal creation of the abstract "individual". The universal reign of human rights comes in 1789 with the revolutionary "Declaration…" which is concurrent with nationalism, an absolutist construct. Volkdom and nationalism are thus also at odds, as I explain here:
>>2761062
"National Anarchism" as a reactionary movement also sees that the concept of individuality is harmful to the order of communities, and thus, a community's collective rights should have primacy (in modern jurisprudence, there is no such thing as "collective" rights of peoples, but only of individuals). So in each case, we see how law is the instrument of political action. Marx also sees that the individual is a construction of social, not natural relations; namely, the division of labour. Marx further attributes individuality to the modern wage worker, since their economic relations are based upon voluntary contraction. So then, individualism progresses as capitalism progresses, which by 1848, Marx had claimed, had already destroyed traditional custom and the institution of the family (with original reference to Thomas Carlyle's "cash nexus"). Thus, it is sufficient to claim that money as a universal abstraction, is the source of destabilisation - Aristotle calls barter "natural" and money "unnatural". The Bible calls money the "mark of the beast", and the love of money "the root of all evil".

>>2770136
Thanks for the book reccommendation. What's that flag you've got there?
I am something of a voluntaryist probably still. I'm no against collectives, but they have to be built I believe on something tangible and not forced from the top-down.
But either way, I like your takes. Thanks!

>>2770191
its the national anarchist flag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism
alain de benoist is also known as one of the pioneers of the "european new right" starting in the 70s, and he is the basic teacher of alexander dugin, as dugin writes in the introduction to the "fourth political theory" (2009). benoist is also known for defending a traditional and occidental form of direct democracy against "representative" government or monarchy. what is "liberal" to him is therefore confused between the democratic, since liberalism presupposes representation, and thus oligarchic guardianship over the popular democracy. theories of "true" democracy are always contentious, of course (we must also remember that universal suffrage is a 20th century concept and never existed before this, since not all citizens were enfranchised as part of the "demos").



 

The temporal development of capitalism consistently produces results that resemble socialism, but without the equality. Progressive deskilling and automation tends toward a situation where service positions are the only jobs available, functioning as an equalizer for the proletariat and an enricher for the bourgeoisie.
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>>2766745
We used to build things.

>>2766745
Why would they need to focus an entire plan towards that? Are tou implying they perhaps, outsourced?

>>2766700
China is not the cheapest, not by any stretch

>>2766267
yes in many ways monopolization has already done a lot of work for socialists. If you nationalized the tope fortune 500 companies youd basically have everything already ready to run a planned socialist economy

>>2766267
>The temporal development of capitalism consistently produces results that resemble socialism, but without the equality
well (scientific, Marx-Lenin derived) socialism isn't about equality per se, but about winning the bulk of the class struggle (I say bulk because class struggle actually continues under Socialism, according to Lenin) and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat that will eventually lead to a withering away of the state. It does not purport to solve, for instance, idpol struggles, or even to treat the ex-bourgeoisie and workers as equals. Under the Bolsheviks for example there was a mixture of punishment and pragmatism. By punishment I simply mean that ex-bourgeoisie and clergy, often very elderly, were made to do manual labor that they had no skill in whatsoever because they had never done it in their entire lives. But on other occasions highly educated bourgeois specialists were given collegial seats on soviet government councils because their knowledge was essential to planning the economy or winning the civil war. So even among the ex-bourgeoisie there was unequal treatment. Some got a much better deal than others.

What socialism does purport to do is to socialize what has not already been socialized. Because under capitalism, so much has already been socialized in service of capital. I actually read People's Republic Of Wal Mart right after reading Lenin's Imperialism for the first time and you'd be surprised at the amount of overlaps. Mainly they both stress the need to nationalize monopolies instead of taking the ultimately pointless approach of breaking them up only for them to merge back together after a few decades. Where Lenin differs from that book however is he stresses this process of nationalization can only take place AFTER a violent revolution, while PRWM is a book in a more social democratic tradition, which seems to suggest that reformists under the current system can nationalize these monopolies.



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>>2768886
The Long March 10, which will be China's moon rocket will use liquid oxygen wnd RP-1 which is basically refined kerosene.

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Iran responded to trump now

>>2768903
RP-1 is literally less emittant and less toxic than hydrazine and even common car gasoline.

>>2768393
Its crazy if FDR was a little healthier to fight for it, hellman Truman would not be president and President Henry Wallace would lead a much better path

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What if they get stranted in space?



 

Israeli Abrahamics, if a theft of semen is stolen and spotted (a system foreign to the famous "Mordred" is used, the trap of the father or mother matching as hand gesture moved; "A Knight's tale"), will be conduced to hunt their own families by the proper Ismaelis; God's Chosen, Ismael, not God's Favorite, Isaac; the Polander Aryan Brotherhood (American History X, the foundation of the World War 2 National Socialist movement among others).

This is performed simply; the entire registry of patents is identified, and a child will be raised as a particular Catholic clergy's philosophy to target the enemy political alliance through necessity of most public trade relation; however through the non-Ismaeli parent having been a victim of anal sodomey from a male, male or female; the common tracker of "Arabic", the tell-tale signature of the enemy; not "Urdu", the language of any court in carpentry; Parochial school for an Islamic Catholic, not taught Lotus as a child due to parents equivocating in Hebrew linguistics at having placed someone in opiates confinement; the Roman, African, or Chinese Empires.

Let's go over the list of slain figures.

Samson (the women's lingerie, as the men's thong, for sword fighting).

Alexander the Great (the labor patent, as mass draft, per pensioner elder's children and family).

Scipio Africanus (the sugar reed market, a plantation, out of the sizes of the white man's versus black woman's buttocks, wealth and poverty out of the front gusset sitting fetish).

Jesus Christ (the paternity suit, as the Old Testament, the Bible in any copy; the fraud of self into New Testament, a post-arrest police family execution at declaration of self as Jordanian-Arab bride in men's gender).

John Wilkes Booth (the haberdasher's class, or other tailor, per contact by British intelligence forces to kill First Lady; hence the switch, contract hired, to the pay per grievance of contract; and if crossed, then both, otherwise, spouse switched either way).
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USAtanists! We don't want you on this board! We don't want you on your stolen land! We don't care what class you think you are! We don't care what you think your "relation to the means of production" is! Your entire country was founded on rape, genocide, slavery, betrayal of treaties, wars of annexation, etc. You were imperialists before you came under the influence of Zionism, and you will remain imperialist after every last Zionist, man, woman, and child, is turned to ashes for their crimes. Truth be told you didn't come under the influence of zionism, you were the influence for Zionism AND Nazism. Manifest Destiny is Lebensraum. Manifest Destiny is Greater Israel. Your puritan ancestors were the original zionists. And I don't care if you're African-American and your ancestors were brought over as a slave. You have been a collaborator since the Civil War, and even more of a collaborator since the Civil Rights Movement. You have never fought for indigenous sovereignty, only for equality with your former masters. And I definitely don't care if you came Europe after the civil war. You are still guilty. Moving to America after the Genocide was finished and Slavery ended, is like moving to Israel for the kibbutz right now. You let others do the crimes so you could benefit. You are just a more cowardly than average settler. Total Settleroid Death. I don't want you to go back home. I want you to die. Do you understand? There is no convincing me that you are a class ally or even a decent human being. Your individual characteristics do not matter. Only liberals believe in individualism, trial by jury of peers, presumption of innocence, etc. Communists understand that entire populations of people, especially settleroids, can be guilty from birth. Including the children. Stop hiding behind your anchor babies, settleroids. I don't want your "reparations" anymore. Just kill yourself painlessly now with a bullet, a rope, or a long fall, and save yourself from the righteous torture of my cadres. There is no peace treaty. You don't get to become the good guy in the third act. I don't care if you betray the empire starting now. You won't be spared. There is literally nothing you can do to change my mind about you. Even if you kill yourself I will still piss and shit on your corpse given the chance. You deserve to be raped and tortured but you have the opportunity to spare yourself by suicide. But we will never ever ever remember you as anything less than collectively guiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.(American derangement syndrome)
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>>2770211
>You could do
I don't live in Epsteinland, stop trying to outsource your job of "awakening the american proletariat" to me, yank
>what the Alt-Right did
Redirect discontent against the system right back into the uniparty plantation? There is already an army of right wing and left wing influencers on that job, not sure why you want even more people dickriding the uniparty, but as I said in my first reply to you its not surprising.

>>2770263
I don't know where the fuck you live, dude. But most of this board seems to be Americans. It's a safe assumption to make.
>Redirect discontent against the system right back into the uniparty plantation?
For the record this sort of trend is exactly why many people like me have eventually abandoned this camp. We wanted to be actual revolutionaries, overturn the system and create something good for our people. Instead what kept happening was we kept getting told to, "trust the plan," et al. In spite of being in many of these groups, not once did I ever vote for DJT. I never trusted it, but at the time and being much younger I could not fathom ever standing with Leftists when generally my perception of them was, "Kill Whitey," and none of them gave a shit about anything related to the plight of the Working Class.

-austic faggot larper that will never do anything ever
come on third world, rise up already since you're apparently so much more inherently revolutionary
one other thing: i wanna live in england, so if you want me out of here by all fucking means deport lmfao

>>2798313
before some fogbreather gets all angry: listen, i had a welsh grandfather, i like post punk music, i use the metric system and i hate driving. i'll be just fine and you shouldn't have used the US as a dumping ground for the impoverished you didn't give a shit about helping

>>2767814
Maoists! We don’t want you on this board! We don’t want you pretending your suburban bedroom is a "liberated zone." We don’t care what "line" you think you represent. We don’t care how many volumes of the Little Red Book you’ve highlighted while living off your parents' Wi-Fi. Your entire ideology is founded on famine, the destruction of history, and the endless pursuit of the "struggle session" to mask your own inadequacy.
Truth be told, you aren't "revolutionaries." You are just the latest evolution of the same narcissistic Western student movements that have been a plague since the 60s. Your "Mass Line" is just a marketing term for your own ego. Your "Cultural Revolution" is just an excuse to write your school shooter prose because you have no power in the real world. And I don’t care if you claim to be "decolonial." You are a digital colonizer. You’ve never stepped foot in a factory, never organized a strike, and never spoken to someone from the developing world who wasn't a wealthy larper." You haven’t fought for the people; you’ve only fought for the right to shit up the board with your faggot fucking screeds. And I definitely don’t care if you "read theory." You are still a fraud. Reading about the Long March while ordering DoorDash is like claiming to be a green beret because you played Metal Gear Solid. You let the historical martyrs do the dying so you could feel "radical" from the safety of a roach infested bedroom. You are just a more pretentious than average consumer. Total Larper Death. I don’t want you to "fuck off this board", I want your ideology to vanish. There is no convincing me that you are a "vanguard" or even a serious person. Your individual "critiques" do not matter. Only cultists believe in the "Protracted People's War" occurring in a gentrified coffee shop. Real workers understand that entire cliques of internet Maoists are performative from the first tweet. I don’t want your "solidarity" anymore. Just through your fucking computer out of the window and save yourself the embarrassment of being ignored by the very proletariat you claim to lead. There is no "Third Worldist" redemption arc for you. You don’t get to become the hero of the revolution in the final act. I don’t care if you start "organizing" now. You won't be taken seriously. There is literally nothing you can do to change my mind about you. Even if you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>Previous Bake
>>2765370

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>>2768924
Brian Berletic. Just watch his videos.

Winningest

>>2768962
we are such a cucked country
if a french politician said that shit he'd be under a guillotine in five seconds

>>2768924
the various rand corps reports and analysis. They're ez to find, they're a pretty influential (meaning the US seems to be following most of their plans to the letter) neocon think thank strategizing for maintaining the US global hegemony

>>2768964
That's the problem, there wasn't a Robespierre over there



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Thoughts on analytical Marxism?
It seems good cuz it uses no hegelian metaphysical bullshit, but uses methodological individualism instead of this which is cool. Like, it makes it easy to understand and logically invincible.

>revisionism

Why not?

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>>2763482
>>2763495
>Duuuuude, are you fucking serious?
are you? you keep asking stupid fucking questions that could be answered with a quick google

>>2763719
Wiki is a cia lies source

marxism has no need for philosophies, marxism is anti-philosophical

>>2768623
Every anti-philosopher was a philosopher. Science is natural philosophy. Logic is philosophy. Organization of thought is philosophy.

Sorry, bub, many tried, but you can't excape it.

Philosophy is here to stay.




 

What is happening sociologically when radlib Leftoids in circles stuffed with permagrads endlessly go on about muh 'Strasserism' or 'NazBols'? Here's an answer that may be a bitter pill for some of you, because the Left rarely likes to use its own tools of class analyses on itself

https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2020/05/07/on-strasserism-and-the-decay-of-the-left/
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>>2755464
>the idea that identity politics repels "workers" has also proven fallacious. on the contrary, people love identity politics. those put off by identity politics of the liberal left generally find themselves comfortable with the identity politics of the right. those incensed that you're proud to be black are usually themselves proud to be white, or at least, wish to be told that they should be proud to be white.
I wouldn't say the argument is that identity politics is necessarily repellent to workers as individuals, though. Racial pride is obviously "attractive" for some in some sense and not always for the same reasons, but having people organized in terms of identity (as the Black Pride Socialist League, the White Pride Communist Front, etc.) seems counterproductive to collective worker organization and joint action. Really, it sounds like a recipe for toxicity and rancor.

Of course, the example is extreme, but just because people might be attracted to identity politics doesn't say anything about its place in socialism. I don't find the "tu quoque" argument (and bare assertion) of "well, you must support right-wing idpol if you don't like it" very convincing either.

>what such an outlook really shows is that the left is alienated from "workers" for a different reason: because it imagines a certain fixed image of a worker, in his hard hat, at his factory. a starbucks barista on minimum wage? she's not a worker, she's just some middle class woman. what's she going to do? anyway, we should find positions that repel her and attract the bloke in the hard hat.

I've heard this argument off and on for a number of years, but if this sort of "narrow" view of workers had a significant following and a substantial effect on the left in aggregate (I don't think so myself), you'd think that other groups with different views would have had extensive growth and led to a revival of the left at some point in the past decade, but no such thing has happened.

The alienation of the left from workers is more likely related to the general decline of political party participation, even though political stances have become increasingly central to how people identify themselves.


>>2765394
I actually completely wrote a whole big thesis but the janny feds deleted it I swear to God.

>>2749726
I actually agree with a lot of this. Did you write it? But there are some key differences.

1: The right does it too. There's the class you claim to be, the class people see you as, and the class you act upon and internally recognize yourself as. If you actually care about any of this; you are not proletariat. You're petty bourgeois middle class. Third worldists are right about that. What they're not right about is how this interacts with such people.

Most aren't willing to admit leftism is synopsis with nihilism. For me to care about stability, I have to have class interest in that stability. That's why liberals can speak all day long about building cheap housing for inner city folks, and it means nothing. Cheapening goods and services means nothing. You think I care about any of that? Why do you unless you have a vested interest in it?

Let's take for example ice. Ice is le'bad. Just grabbing Latinx and throwing them in vans. Bad stuff. Ok…and? Lots of things are bad. Bad stuff happens to me every day. Why is it my responsibility to care? Because I'm a good person? Why is it my responsibility to be a good person?

It isn't. It's bullshit the other class interests invented. And you acknowledge this and think it means I want them out of my country. I don't as see…that's also not in my class interests. The contradiction of capital is some need those Latinx around working for cheap, others see them as an existential threat. The only thing I see is how upset the situation makes people when I'm not the one working, I'm not the one having sex with some 6/10 Mexicana Trotskyist named Pumfee, I'm not the one who is getting shit out of this. In essence I am the real proletariat and for me this just looks like a purple haired woke gorilla rubbing herself up against an ice agent molesting him and it's all very funny, but ultimately just distraction.

The fact of the matter is, if either side got it's way, my life does not significantly change. The only real leftist position is hoping the lights go out. No hospital care, no food in grocery stores, no gas to drive with, no hope left. Everyone is dead or just wishes they were dead. If that physically repulses you, you have petty bourgeois vested interests.

>>2765371
>you'd think that other groups with different views would have had extensive growth and led to a revival of the left at some point in the past decade, but no such thing has happened.
the group in question is the actually-existing left outside /leftypol/ and a handful of cult parties and boomers. blue haired starbucks union member furries who proclaim a belief in a nebulously defined socialism.



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