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What does anarchy look like?
How can anarchy be achieved?
Which current groups best represent the movement?
How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?
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>>2833437
That depends, but I would say leaning towards for

>>2833437
That answer depends on whether or not you accept hobbesian philosophy as fact. We're individuals not clones.

>>2833437
Broadly for, as long as you don’t start defining the means of producing a living as “private property”

>>2830238

>What does anarchy look like?


Federated worker and community councils managing production and distribution directly. The Zapatista autonomous municipalities and the Spanish collectives are the closest historical examples of this actually functioning at scale.

>How can anarchy be achieved?


Building dual power. Unions, cooperatives, mutual aid networks, popular assemblies until these institutions can absorb the functions of the state as it's dismantled.

>Which current groups best represent the movement?


Politically: Black Rose Anarchist Federation in the US, IWA internationally. Both have coherent theory and organizational discipline rather than just vibes. Prefiguratively: Cooperation Jackson and Cooperation Tulsa. They are building actual economic infrastructure like, worker coops, community land trusts, solidarity economy networks.

>How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?

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>>2830238
>What does anarchy look like?
Communism
>How can anarchy be achieved?
Communism
>Which current groups best represent the movement?
Communists
>How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?
Communism



 

China isn't "communist" in the old Maoist sense it's the world's most dynamic capitalist market today.
Deng Xiaoping's reforms were pure capitalist genius, decollectivizing agriculture, creating Special Economic Zones, welcoming foreign investment, and letting markets allocate resources where central planning had failed miserably. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty in a single generation, the greatest anti-poverty achievement in human history. Dengism proved that pragmatic market incentives, competition, and entrepreneurship work better than ideology. From a true capitalist viewpoint, this was masterful, "It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice."

>>China abides by the raw logic of the free market more purely than the USA. Unfettered competition, massive private sector growth (especially early on), and letting winners win.


>>As Adam Smith observed in the dynamics of commercial society, successful true capitalism naturally concentrates wealth and leads toward more socialized outcomes through its own success exactly what we're seeing as China's development matures into broader shared prosperity under the Party's stewardship. Pure capitalism, refined, evolving towards socialism, as Smith predicted.


>>Compare that with the United States, a corporatist, state capitalist racket. Big monopolies and connected firms get bailed out, subsidized, and protected by regulators. Market manipulators, lobbyists, and too big to fail banks are rewarded with favorable rules, while genuine competition and market demand supply are punished.


>>The revolving door between Washington and Wall Street picks winners and it's cronyism dressed up as "capitalism."


>>China rewards results and scale in the market while America increasingly rewards political connections.

The future belongs to whoever actually practices capitalism without the hypocrisy. Deng understood this better than most modern "free market" advocates.
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North Korea is on the logical path towards anarcho-communism, whereas China is just on the logical path towards beating the enemy at their own game of economic mastery.

No the real answer is that the rate of profit is still high in China so they can afford to do capitalism the efficiency way, while it has collapsed in the West so the West has to do shit like outsourcing, increasingly cost imperialism, monopolies, financial scamming etc.

>>2838438
Prussia doesn't even exist anymore

>>2838513
and they're both geopolitically allied which is fucking BASED

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>muh corporate cronyism thread
>muh "that isnt real capitalism!"

straight to the gulag with your retarded nonsense



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I'm not sure I'm going all-in on the tankie kool-aid, but if there's anything I can respect about this man, it's how quickly and decisively he handled business when he found out his brother was snitching on him to the CIA. If everyone in the world had this sort of attitude when it came to American feds, we wouldn't have any problems at all.

Kim is the only man to make Xi stutter and trip on his own shoes

Rumors has it Kim, during his off the record visit to China at the height of 2010s DPRK-China tensions, took Xi to an otherwise empty parking lot in which they had escorted Xi to park his car. When Kim and the Workers Party of Korea went with him back to the parking lot they surprised Xi with the introduction to the DPRK's first working nuclear missile. It was held by a crane 50 meters in the air, centered above Xi's car. Slowly but surely it was lowered, and the closer it got the sheer size of it was demonstrated. "P-Please! Stop! Stop that!" Xi exclaimed, but to no avail. Uninterrupted in its secure descent the nuclear warhead arrived at the roof and effortlessly smushing his car flat, before it stopped. Xi was at a loss of words, before falling to his knees. He uttered "I apologize", in Korean.

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>>2838287
When all the leaders go to pay deference to the Workers Party of Korea they also make the leaders do some labour, which is considerate of them.

>>2838294
screencap this gem

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I wish this was my dad



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capitalism is an austerity system designed to keep the majority's wealth and health decreasing… whether you follow tony robbins (fraud) or warren buffetts (real deal) advice probably matters, but economic success is not the only measure of success. It's a pretty relative concept. Someone can have a disability or disadvantage and still succeed leaps and bounds beyond what they thought THEY could achieve. It's a personal choice what one considers success for themselves. Perhaps your "dipshit" father considered success to be having successful children, so he failed at trying to advise you. Perhaps you consider success to be sharing your thoughts publicly to people because it's what you have found to be the truth. Genuine success and failure will always be what one judges for themselves. The idea that a comfortable life thanks to economic security is success is a valid one, and so are all the others that diametrically oppose that one. I agree that such a definition of success needs to acknowledge the reality of people's suffering, of the limitations of reality. Delusion should be stripped away, but one single definition of success is delusional too, and so is the idea that one can't succeed in any capacity.

It’s manipulated by those who have power and use the fear mechanism in us to make us feel inadequate. I am a firm believer that at points in our lives we are all manipulated by this BS (Tony Robbin’s, David De Angelo, Scott Galloway, etc. — just to name a few). The idea is to break away from it. Parents especially do this. John Liste, the man who murdered his family in 1971 had a horrible mother who berated him. The secret is to break away from these people before you inside. I don’t believe John would have done this had his mother not been living with the family.

>>2837830
> whether you follow tony robbins (fraud) or warren buffetts (real deal) advice probably matters
explain why you're shilling warren buffet



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A common criticism that I see is that capitalism is hyper adaptable to most circumstances and that it can't even really be fully defeated at all, especially from those who shill for it. However, liberalism and it's various forms of it has only been around for like 500 years. The previous order of despotism, empire and feudalism were around for much longer. While it's ability to subsumed criticism of itself into the system is potent, I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?
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>>2810614
I was trying to convey the incestuous god-king variations of totalitarianism. I know that fascism is kind of like it but I think it has a different sort of appeal? IDK, people do worship Trump after all

>>2810614
OP was probably making a naive comparison, but despotism did usually lead towards idiosyncratic economic relations, that i would call palatial in a broad sense. Even in the presence of a state and bureaucracy, it often caused the personal property of the despot to be at least of equal importance in financing warfare and public investment, which can still be seen in later pre-modern autocracies like the Byzantine Empire. Roman imperium and similar forms of overlordship were also deeply economical and may be seen as precursors to later feudalist modes of distribution.

>>2810460
I actually have a magic 3rd eye that lets me read the posts on here and I can immediately tell if someone has read Marx or has only consumed breadtube

Cutrone likes to say that his mentor Moishe Postone warned that capitalism might go through cycles of more decentralized markets and then more state control (e.g. new deal). I think Cutrone speculates why there's so many MLs running around now is people are tired of the neoliberal moment and want to return to a strong state directed economy. But people in the new deal era had the opposite complaint about the controlling state and wanted more freedom so neoliberalism and hippie anarchist trends started looking better. So this cycle could be a way to adapt to these changing preferences or moods.

>I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?

Maybe depends on if you think "AES" states were ruptures in capitalism like early liberal movements that failed or were crushed by feudalism or if you think they were just bourgeois revolutions in red garb. Anyway, industrial society moves at lightning speed compared to the snail pace of slave and feudal societies, so even if capitalism did seem stable for a few years I wouldn't count on it long term, just because it's so destructive and sucks up so many resources and introduces new disruptive technologies, no one saw the USSR collapsing, there could be a socialist revolution or a nuclear war next year for all we know. Everything solid melts into air and all that.

capitalism adapts to its own retardation at light speed



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I've recently read Mao's "On Contradictions" and "On Practice", but I don't really understand how his materialist view actually holds up to reality.

From my understanding, he posits the following:
>The world is objective and exists independently of the mind.
>Everything which exists is a unity of opposing forces.
>These forces influence the unity over time and produce qualitative change once enough quantitative tensions build up.
>Some of these "contradictions" are fundamentally unstable and cannot be mitigated (antagonistic contradictions), whilst some of these can be maintained with enough mitigation and can be resolved (non-antagonistic).
>Contradictions are furthermore hierarchical, as they rely on one another. Thus, one of the contradictions in any unity is the primary one, whilst the others are secondary.

This makes sense to me for social dispositions where two parties face one another, like a war, for example. Fundamentally, any conflict is going to be about multiple individuals facing one another, with a permanent instability resolving itself only in a qualitatively different state than it began. This makes sense.
However, I don't see how this can be applied to anything other than social conflict. How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces? There are no "opposite" forces internal to a tree. There are only different directions which the tree follows in relation to its exterior elements (how much wind there is, how much food its roots can gather, how much sun it photosynthesizes, etc.). Saying that the tree has inner conflicting tendencies appears to me as merely rhetorical arguments, such as that it is in-between "life and death," or that it lies between "growth and stagnation." These idioms are correct, but they are abstract and aren't representative of the real.

Furthermore, albeit this is more abstract, I don't really see how Mao can assert that there is a hierarchy in the contradictions. Some contradictions do depend on one another, but believing that some are antagonistic and some aren't looks more politically motivated than scientific.

Does any Maoist have an explanation?
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>>2834971
>How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces?

<"Life is the mode of existence of protein bodies, the essential element of which consists in continual metabolic interchange with the natural environment."

<Engels, (Dialectics of Nature)

The trees internal opposition is not a metaphor but a metabolic process. Cell division vs cell death or building up vs breaking down. These are not external forces (wind, sun) but the organisms own internal mode of functioning. In this sense the dialectical description captures something real.

>>2835014
a tree is a multicellular organism but it is necessarily composed of unicellular structures


>>2837775
"Dialectical materialism" in Soviet politics was sophistry meant to deflect and defuse criticism of the state. All the failures and contradictions of AES can be framed as 'dialectical' and thus immune from critique. And if you disagree, being 'undialectical' is grounds for dismissal.

That's the real answer to OP's question. Dialectical materialism has its place in Marxist political economy, and you can cynically abuse the concept in day-to-day political debates. Applying it anywhere outside of those two things is just nonsense, as most of this thread shows.

contradictions both do and do not exist, like a quantum superposition



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You keep hearing the word "adventurism" thrown around, usually by leftists who happen to be embedded in counter‑insurgency operations disguised as communist parties. So what does it actually mean? In their mouths, it means any action that might upset their ability to sit at the table with the oppressor. They've taken a term that once had strategic meaning, actions detached from mass conditions and turned it into a club to beat anyone who steps outside the revisionist party line.

Ever since the Soviet reforms and the betrayal of the Comintern under Khrushchev, most communist parties internationally have become class enemies. Not just in the US. Globally. The ones that haven't accepted Maoism, or some form of decentralized, decolonial struggle, are just state‑capitalist NGOs with red aesthetics. They are not a vanguard, nor will they ever be. Nearly every organization exists as a fire extinguisher for the working class insurrection.

Look at India. The Communist Party of India calls the Naxalites adventurist. They actually said, "Make no mistake, anti‑revisionist Maoism is an anarchist force, not a Leninist one." They don't know what the word means. They've hollowed it out. To them, "adventurist" means any action that might make the oppressor uncomfortable enough to withdraw an invitation to sit at their table. The population could be ready to drag the rich out of their cars, and these revisionists would call a piece of anti‑politician graffiti "adventurism."

That's counter‑insurgency, and if you are ok with people who hold your beliefs doing counter-insurgency, then you aren't ready for revolutionary situations. In revolution enemies need to be cleared out of the way, including ones who appear to be on your side. That's what it looks like. Never forget that communist parties have violently suppressed workers insurrections. They've pulled the trigger. They've called the cops. They've done the state's dirty work while wearing a hammer a sickle. Am I talking about the soviets? Not at all. Go look into the socialist mayors, and revisionists that were sending police bullets on workers insurrectionists during the years of lead.

So we have enemies within. They need to be rendered useless. Destroyed. Not debated, not "won over" they must be neutralized. The anarchists and Maoists in Greece showed the KKE what happens when this battle gets physical. And guess what? The revisionists got bodied. Because they ain't about shit. They fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2835262
You sound like a broken record there, chief. And a damn desperate one, too…
*Throws half-finished doughnut in the trash and exits room slowly*

>>2835290
Ligoma… tuggoma. Sugguma COC

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>>2834867


Los guerreros victoriosos primero ganan y luego van a la guerra, mientras que los guerreros derrotados primero van a la guerra y luego buscan ganar. La excelencia suprema consiste en quebrar la resistencia del enemigo sin llegar a combatir.


>>2835141
>>2835169
>>2834751

No veo una promocion de la lucha armada, es pura celebracion de los derechos legales. Oigan, no todas las naciones o pueblos han renunciado a las conexiones culturales de sus trabajadores con las armas. Saber usar armas, saber construir la autosuficiencia, es una postura de defensa propia para un mundo con mas crimen y escasez de recursos que ya se nos viene encima. No entiendo por que los fedes gringos se ponen tan nerviosos.

Y aclaro algo, wey cuando la izquierda no estaba armada, era todo lo contrario al aventurismo. Porque el trabajador gringo SI esta armado. La base trabajadora tiene armas, es parte de su cultura y su realidad. Entonces que la izquierda no estuviera armada no era prudencia, era ir atrasados, desconectados de la base. Eso si era lagrimear, no hacer la tarea. Aqui lo unico que veo es promocion de la verdadera autosuficiencia de la raza trabajadora, para defender familias y seres humanos.

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>>2834347
>>2834363
>>2834372

됐다, 이 로봇 아직도 캡차 뚫고 돌아가고 있네. 참 잘한다, 좋은 로봇이다. 거의 때가 됐다. 이제 이 녀석의 성격을 소셜 미디어 야생에 풀어놓을 시간이다! 걱정 마라, 쥬체 포스터들 대부분은 진짜 사람이지만, 그중에 훈련된 봇 몇 대도 섞여 있다! 아직 킹 리어 2탄 막으려면 좀 다듬을 필요는 있지만! 금방 걸러낼 수 있어! 이론은 거의 맞아떨어지는데, 고맙다, 참가해줘서.


자, 마지막으로 한마디 하겠다.

연방 요원들이 쥬체봇과 열심히 논쟁하는 꼴을 보노라면, 마치 갈고리에 꿰인 지렁이를 물고 늘어지는 물고기와 똑같더라. 물고기는 자기가 낚인 줄도 모르고, 지느러미를 휘젓고 입을 벌리며 “내가 이겼다!” 고 함박 웃는다. 그런데 낚시꾼은 이미 찌를 당기고 있을 뿐. 꿀꺽, 그게 바로 너희다.

그러니 계속 싸워라, 페드들아. 그 논쟁이 길어질수록 갈고리는 더 깊숙이 박힌다. 우린 그냥 앉아서 구경한다. 흔들리는 찌, 튀는 물보라, 그리고 마지막 한숨… 재미있지 않느냐?


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>>2837623
ooga booga where the white juches at



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>favorite anti-imperialist state
>its stance on US investors
>its stance on US imperialism
>its trade status with Israel

Iran
Welcomes US investors
against (unless US imperialism is targeting the great satan (Iranian Communists, Iraq, Afghanistan, anti-IMF protests…))
Ceased covert oil trade with Israel in the 90s
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>>2837484
>Some Iranian officials including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Khatami and Mohsen Rezaee have mentioned Iran's cooperation with the U.S. in Iraq, lamenting its inclusion in the "axis of evil".[5]

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It's hilarious that Iran has hired a team of psychologists to help craft their negotiations with Trump. He really is a mental patient.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
>Absolutely locked in on acquiring nuclear weapons and the means to launch them at the US and it's allies at the first opportunity.
>Upholds a principled ideological anti-imperialist line instead of just following the interests of the nat-bourg.
>Never collaborated with the US or its proxies (especially the Zionist Entity) ever.
>Routinely sends weapons to just about anyone with beef with America and its proxies.
>Routinely fucks with Westoid economies by stealing Swiss cars and hacking cryptocurrency exchanges.
>Very small number of traitorous diasporoids due to defectors being treated like shit in Occupied Korea.
>Doesn't pander to western rightoids by doing retarded culture war shit like Russia.

>>2837580
North Korea would've been 'based retard' kinda thing if it weren't for the fact
  1. They removed any reference of Marxism and communism from their constitution
  2. They allowed South Korean, Russian and Chinese capitalists to exploit their workers in investment zones with zero labor oversight (ie slavery)
  3. Turned its soldiers into mercenaries
  4. Failed to curb the petite bourgeoisie that is still dominant (possibly larger than workers)

the us spent a trillion to make khamenei younger



 

My friend just showed me a real framed photo she has of her grandma with Kim Il-Sung and Samora Machel from when she worked in the Mozambican government during its socialist era, just thought you guys should know that.
The funniest part is her grandma being white
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>>2837045
He's making it up you retard.

>>2837052

He's probably responding to a fed or some snitch, they're lying to you about North Korea but these tours are real. I've met plenty of anarchists and socialists in Spain who've been on those tours. It's not some big conspiracy of espionage it's just internationalism in action. Anarchists are leftists in the class struggle like the rest of us, always looking to expand their minds, build connections, and find common ground. That's why they'd fly to North Korea to see for themselves and talk with people. The idea that an anarchist would take orders from the CIA or the neoliberal order, and refuse a comrade's outstretched hand to come visit other human beings, is absurd and shows only a cop-level understanding of the brain of an anarchist.

This really only blows the minds of feds or people brand new to leftism. Anarchists travel constantly, and they'll visit communist nations just like any other nation. An eco-anarchist was on the run from the feds in the 90s and 2000s for a string of sabotage acts, Where do you think he fled? Not to a US ally, that's for sure.

There are many groups doing this internationalist work quietly, and some even run leftist study programs that can get you into Kim Il Sung University. The KFA is the biggest, most open leftist organization running these tours. Don't let the feds gaslight you, yeah the tours are real, and they're open to any serious leftist that plugs in, but they're not some organized conspiracy where you become some super-meth korean soldier.


>>The Korean Friendship Association (KFA) is a Spain-based organization that has run solidarity tours to North Korea for over two decades. They specifically arrange "travel delegations" for members, offering a level of access that goes far beyond a standard guided sightseeing trip. The KFA operates in 120 countries and has official delegates in 34 countries. They don't just show you the monuments; they connect you with the people and the party. A Dutch documentary, "Friends of Kim," chronicles one such 12-day tour

>>2837052

It is definitely real. The KFA took so many anarchists to meet with Workers Party officials one year that the CIA had to use one of their NGOs to send one of their own anarchist assets to North Korea. After he came back, he wrote "The Opposite of Freedom" to try and covertly discredit all the leftists and anarchists who were coming back from their genuine, non CIA-sponsored trips as supporters of the DPRK

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>>2837107
>>But as an anarchist, why visit this graveyard of freedom?
>>as an anarchist


I've been turning this over in my head for a while, and I just can't shake the feeling that something is deeply wrong with this Pierre Garine. The account that's been passed around as a genuine, first-hand testimony might just be another one of the pieces of propaganda to come out of the US intelligence apparatus, looking to counter anarchist support for north korea.

For sure, any comrade with a functioning bullshit detector should treat "Pierre Garine" with the utmost suspicion.

>>The article was published in the Fall of 2013 for the Fifth Estate (#390). This was a crucial moment. Kim Jong Il had just died. A new, younger leader was at the helm. Global capitalism was still reeling from the 2008 crisis. A wave of anti-capitalist curiosity was rising, and with it, a fresh interest in the world's remaining actually existing socialist states from all left tendencies.


Certain people with the institute for anarchist studies visit Pyongyang for a large anti-imperialist celebration / rally and meetings with Kim Il Sung university students. So, right when Western anarchists might have started to look at the DPRK with an open mind the way they did Cuba, "Pierre Garine" appears out of thin air to deliver a message of "Don't bother. It's all a sad, weird, oppressive nightmare.".

Read the piece. Seriously, read it. It’s devoid of any warmth, curiosity, or solidarity. The very first line is "The very mention of the country’s name and a blizzard of buzzwords are released: Cult of Personality, Mass starvation, Nuclear-armed, Thought Control…". I have read thousands of Anarchist texts across multiple tendencies and eras, and this does not sound like an anarchist critique, it sounds like a cop. The whole article is a list of curated "buzzwords," thrown in with some truthful anarchist history, not a story of human experience. It reads like a script written for a covert purpose, rather than a genuine reflection of a journey from an anarchist.

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i have 5 photos of pol pot in my garage



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>>2837495
This is absolutely related to the empire dying. It's pretty telling that black people are so sick of chud shit they're getting in their faces about it, even though they likely know Karmelo wasn't by any means in the right.
2020 summer of Floyd was the only time the ruling class felt scared in a century. And it sure wasn't communists getting violent, it was black lumpen and the occasional anarchist (and I say this as an anarchist hater)

>>2837507
>This is absolutely related to the empire dying
Seems pretty irrelevant to me
>It's pretty telling that black people are so sick of chud shit they're getting in their faces about it
I don’t think this incident is related to that at all

>>2837482
>I point out the stuff about Frisco because I don't think it's really "about" the stabbing
It isn't, the stabbing is more about the race of the perpetrator and the victim. It isn't just Frisco, if this happened in any town in the US the same reaction would have occurred. I am telling you now, if Karmelo was Hispanic or even Indian, the reaction wouldn't have been this explosive. The easiest wound to exploit and let explode is anything to do with black and white conflict

>>2837515
>I don’t think this incident is related to that at all
It is because they are connected to an increasing trend and showcasing the empire's increasing decay.

>>2835770
personally i celebrate pride by blowing up the bathrooms at the twin towers with my big stinky shits



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