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How come socdems chads have no trouble winning elections but communists do? How come literally nobody likes any of you guys irl?
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When the "communists" openly glaze countries like NK or Cuba and Venezuela then it's not surprising that proles don't want any of that shit. "Socialists" only win when they promise shit that proles actually want, like Nordic or Chinese style state managed capitalism.

I just made a big post on taxes here >>2833315

Ill make another post later on what a "desirable" communist reformist platform would like.

If you're gonna do electroralism, then do it right. Don't give up ground to opportunist socdems.

We can create a highly desirable program that is easy to implement, actually works, and actually weakens capitalism instead of merely stabilizing it (which is the Socdem goal)

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>be socdem party
>win election
>manage to pass some reforms somehow
>lost next election
>porkies reverse said reforms, and then some
rinse and repeat

>>2833327
Just don't lose bro, it's that simple

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>>2833336
>Just don't lose bro, it's that simple
Luka gets it. That's why Belarus is the last social democracy in Europe.

>>2833431
Luka shows that mandate limits are retarded as well
>huh I think we should be forced to vote for Hitler or ᴉuᴉlossnW in between actually good candidates from time to time



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>>2833232
>I mean, most Christoids picture the Bible lore happening with pasty Europeans still
Tbf Christians tend to portray biblical figures and events according to wherever they themselves are from. Go to a Christian Church in Korea and you'll find Korean Jesus.

>>2833253
>Go to a Christian Church in Korea and you'll find Korean Jesus.
I've never seen Korean Jesus whats he look like?

>>2833243
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Chile's far-right proposes a 'Museum of Truth' on the Allende era to counter coup memory
The initiative, submitted on Monday —the same day Kast delivered his first state-of-the-nation address— is a resolution, so that, if approved, it would only reflect the chamber's position and ask the Executive to promote the venue. The text calls for instructing the Ministries of Cultures and Public Works and the National Monuments Council to install it and to collect testimonies and documents from the period. According to the document, the aim is to “preserve the complete and true historical memory” of the victims of shortages, political violence and the economic chaos of the period, and to educate new generations “without ideological bias, without convenient omissions and without the monopoly of a single narrative.”
https://en.mercopress.com/2026/06/05/chile-s-far-right-proposes-a-museum-of-truth-on-the-allende-era-to-counter-coup-memory

‘Historic’: Canadian warehouse workers sign first-ever union deal with Walmart
In the case of the Mississauga effort, Walmart raised wages for other workers in the region but not the distribution centre that had unionized. As part of the newly signed collective agreement, Walmart will pay a lump sum to settle an unfair labour practice complaint. The company did not respond to a request for comment.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jun/06/canada-walmart-first-union-deal

Pentagon raises alarm over Israel’s ‘unhinged’ spying on US officials: Report
The New York Times reported that US intelligence has focused on Israeli efforts to eavesdrop on senior officials, including Steve Witkoff, Trump’s top negotiator, Elbridge A Colby, the Pentagon’s top policy official, and Michael P DiMino IV, one of Colby’s main deputies. Colby has in the past called for a "reset" on the US relationship with Israel. Israel’s counterintelligence threat level now stands higher than that of any other US ally and even higher than some adversarial states, the Times reported. One senior official described Israel’s intelligence collection againPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Dems help GOP kill Tlaib's Lebanon war powers measure
It's a blow to the anti-war left just one day after the House passed a similar measure constraining Trump's ability to wage war in Iran. Wednesday's Iran vote was the result of months of behind-the-scenes efforts by Democratic leadership to get the party's most staunchly pro-Israel lawmakers on board, along with a handful of Republicans. But Thursday's vote reveals that there are still deep divisions between progressive and centrist Democrats on Middle East policy despite their unity on Iran.
https://www.axios.com/2026/06/04/lebanon-war-powers-rashida-tlaib-democrats-vote
https://archive.ph/J3HcD

Judge Blocks Trump Administration From Holding Billions in Food Aid Funds ‘Hostage to Its Political Agenda’
The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and 20 Democrat-led states sued the department and Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins in March, arguing that “USDA has now thrown unconstitutional and unlawful roadblocks between the programs created by Congress and the states that rely on them, threatening critical nutrition support, vital agricultural research, and the safety of our national food chain and communities.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-snap

Suit filed against controversial planned Stratos datacenter project in Utah
Filed by the Alliance for a Better Utah and five unnamed residents of the Box Elder county area where the center is being developed, the lawsuit comes as Shark Tank co-host O’Leary agreed to scale back the physical footprint for the project.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/06/stratos-datacenter-utah-suit

Federal inspector reports chokehold, pen stabbing at ICE facility
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Capital Wants Us Dead: Rage Against the Democide Machine - Jeff Shantz
For two years we have been confronted with the genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli state (and its imperialist supporters)—documented hourly in the most horrific detail. We see our disabled, unhoused, and sick neighbors being actively killed through murderous policies and state actions, police gunning people down in the streets, migrants murdered by border regimes. Yet, the movements in North America continue to be fixed repetitiously in a futile politics of moral appeal, condemnation, symbolic action, or shaming those who have no shame. This is a politics of submission unto death. It holds nothing of fight for survival that being confronted by an active murderous threat calls for—indeed demands. We see instances of capitalist democide all around us in the so-called liberal democracies. Street sweeps and decampments of unhoused people, the removal of social supports for disabled people and their replacement by assisted death programs, criminalization of drug users and the dismantling of harm reduction and safe consumption spaces and resources that keep people alive, the rounding up of migrants and their imprisonment in “detention centers” where people are disappeared into death, the enclosure of Indigenous territories by and for extractives industries (that also kill the land that sustains life). All of these are active programs of murder by capital and its states. The aims and intention are death. This is democide—the killing off of “domestic” populations by the states that occupy and control the territory on which the targeted populations live. This can take many forms, from active mass murder by government to withholding of necessities or neglect such that civilians are killed. It can be genocidal.
Deaths in these cases are not externalities or collateral damage or unfortunate byproducts, or unintended outcomes of these policies and practices. They are the intended and, it must be said, desired outcomes for states driven by a capitalist class that no longer has willingness to see any profit lost to maintain elements of the working class it deems unnecessary for production or consumption and/or which is physically getting in the way of circulation or production. Death is the point.
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Hoxhaism, like other Scientific Socialist movements, had first emerged out of the ideological conflict during the middle-to-late potion of the 20th Century CE. During this time, Enver Hoxha, General Secretary of the Albanian Party of Labour, began to understand, and be critical of, the increasingly revisionist and opportunist rhetoric and polices of the leaders of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics after the death of J. Stalin. At this time, the powerful and harmonious socialist economy that was created as a result of the five-year plans of the 1930’s was slowly being metaphorically watered-down as Khrushchev and later Brezhnev ruled the USSR into the later part of the 20th century.

Enver Hoxha was further agitated by Mao Zedong’s “three worlds theory”; a revisionist and opportunist idea which ignored any sort of societal contradictions in favour of Mao’s immediate geopolitical ambitions. To quote Comrade Hoxha on the “three worlds theory”:

"[…] all of these terms which refer to the different political powers working in the world today conceal — and don't reveal — the class character of these political powers, the basic contradictions of our epoch, the predominant key problem on the national and international scale today, the grim struggle which is waged between the bourgeois-revisionist world on the one hand and socialism, the world proletariat and its natural allies on the other hand." (Enver Hoxha, Report to the 7th Party Congress of the PLA)

Enver Hoxha would seldom capitulate to Khrushchev’s careerism or Mao’s flunkeyism, however. Instead, he would later withdraw from the social-imperialist Warsaw Pact, and would end relations with the revisionist People’s Republic of China. Thus in the process, preventing the People’s Socialist Republic of Albania from becoming a vassal of either social-imperialist state or bloc.

Hence, from this ideological conflict emerged Hoxhaism – the continuation of Marxism and modernisation of Leninism for the international proletariat, free from the crass revisionism and careerism of the Khrushchevite-Brezhnevite Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the petite-bougeois pseudo-Marxism of the People’s Republic of China.

After Hoxha’s life concluded in 1985, a large amount of Communist Parties, many of which located in the Americas, have taken up Hoxha’s example resilience to revisionism and careerism.

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>>2802652
you must admit this is a bit silly?
Marxism should be "revise" or "re-envisioned" whatever as material conditions change. The world is very different today from the industrial revolution
Not only that, but Albania never really progressed under Hoxha. The country still doesn't even drinkable tap water. Clearly Dengism or Castroism or even Juche are superior models.

>>2808070
>Albania never really progressed under Hoxha
you wot m8. the party of labor of albania basically built all the infrastructure, industry, electricity, technology, education, etc. albania has

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>>2807863
>idk they seem pretty lame compared to ICMLPO
Do you even know what the united front and popular front are you fucking dumbass?
There is nothing more "lame", to speak you prepubescent verbiage, than, after going out of your way to rebase on anti-revisionist, revolutionary Marxism-Leninism like Hoxhaists are supposedly doing, not dispense with one of the most blatant batch of revisionist seeds found in the simpleton directives of Dimitrov's years in the ECCI; collaboration with bourgeois liberal leaders (progressives like Churchill!), parliamentary cretinism and peaceful coexistence with capitalist imperialism. After your "Fifth head", Hoxha himself, at the end of his life, famously spend a large amount of energy tackling and critiquing the so-called "eurocommunist" counter-revolutionary advance; a political movement within the eastern bloc which was exactly a direct consequence of a process starting with the Comintern's 7th Congress. Concessions there from made into a battering ram, weaponized by the bureaucrat right-wing. In everything Dimitrov modified of the United Front with his Popular/Anti-Fascist Front addition, Stalin found the need to add absent cautious detail, clarification, grounding it in the united front conclusions; pointing to the Popular Front having no place after the fascist axis were no more.
Stalin was a Leninist and the Comintern gradually refined the United Front tactic, crystallizing in the United Front from Below during the 5th Congress the most universal tactic for the capitalist imperialist era, having none of the 6th Congress ultra-left mistakes. It was born out of praxis in the real sense of the word. To think 7th Congress 'Popular Frontism', pushed by Dimitrov, consisting of a right-deviationist overcorrection to 6th Congress, which was in turn a left-deviationist overcorrection in response to Bukharinite eclecticism causing chaos in the Comintern during the 5th, when it is the ground which revisionist stand on, is fucking sus. Apparently ICMLPO just concluded that the mantle of anti-revisionism just wasn't that important as Hoxha stans and, as a result, have handed the KKE that sword instead. Practically, that is (as far as I can gather) the case right now. KKE and their ECA international from 2009 onward, have a more ML anti-revisionist line than the largest Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

So not a single Hoxhaist actually is on leftypol to engage with the discourse attempted in this thread or?
So who the fuck made the fucking thread?

>>2802664
>numbers are the most important thing



 

"you must say ZOG" crowd is retarded. zionists occupy palestine and lebanon. they bribe and blackmail the US. in bribery and blackmail there are 2 guilty parties. in occupation there is only 1 guilty party. the US government is not a victim of zionist occupation, it is a collaborator in zionist genocide. "ZOG" absolves US imperialism. that is why "ZOG" started off as a nazoid slogan in the 70s rather than an anti imperialist slogan.

the us government is foundationally zionist. manifest destiny is just zionism for anglo protestants.

burgerfat voters are highly fed and armed and elect the zionists. they could easily expel the zionists with 1/100th of the effort that hamas and hezbollah put into resisting genocide, yet they continue to elect zionists while crying that they are "occupied." it's really pathetic stuff.
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>>2832246
the burger reactoid goes mute when asked this basic question

>>2832246
Because admitting that the genocide is indeed, in the interests of westerners as a whole, not just Israelis, Jews, or even the business class, but all of society is way too bitter of a pill to swallow. If it’s not Gaza or Vietnam or Iraq it’ll be us under the rubble, better them than us.

>>2832849
This is very similar to the confederate myth that black people would take revenge and kill white people if they were freed.

That didn't happen.

The British Empire collapsed and not every Brit was executed.

The Third Reich was defeated and not ever German was executed.

Americans and Israelis ending their genocide against Gaza will not likely result in Americans and Israelis being under a bunch of rubble.

That is fear mongering meant to inspire further complicity.

The narrative that every westerner, from the lowliest worker all the way up to the richest billionaire, benefits from imperialism, genocide, etc, only serves to manufacture indifference towards foreign policy. But if my government goes around making the whole world hate me in exchange for a few trifles… that is not in my long term benefit. It is in my benefit to fight imperialism.

Just like the "treatler" narrative seeks to flatten all westerners and make them seem equally complicit, the "ZOG" narrative seeks to make the American masses seem like just as big of victims of zionism as Palestinians. Both narratives are false. Americans are not as big of victims of zionism as palestinians, nor are they equally benefiting from their zionism as their ruling class. The truth is much more ambiguous, and it is this ambiguity that precisely allows these oversimplistic "all or nothing" narratives to take a hold of people, because thinking is hard, and submitting to a reactionary narrative is much easier.

>>2830985
What's the point of asking this question except to bait people into getting banned by jannyberg

>>2833012
I don't see a single question mark in the OP. If you're baited at hearing that burgerfats are funding zionists rather than victims of zionists occupation, and that Palestinians are actually victims of zionist occupation, maybe you're a retard.



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can I be a leftist and also half israeli but condeming israel but not as much as i should
will the leftists accept me if I'm open about this
can i join the local mutual aid scene?
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Do you live in Israel?

join the IDF to kill your higher ups and then maybe i'll accept you

>>2832550
German detected. It's more a problem with your country than a problem with anarchists and libsocs, this problem doesn't exist in Spain, France, Italy or Greece.

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>>2832487
are you in israel? if not then this is a stupid question to begin with, if yes then do something radical to help out palestineians and destablise the country as much as possible by arguing for direct democracy or keeping ultras out of conscription or some shit

>>2832487
>but not as much as i should
lol



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Explain your political progression. I'll start with mine, I live in the US for reference.
>I started off as vaguely conservative when I first starting learning about politics (was really into the whole "competition drives innovation" type thing). Didn't like feminism and what I thought was political correctness gone mad. Was christian (still thought shit like noahs ark was retarded though).
>Grew out of Christianity and as a result became disillusioned with a lot of the republican messaging.
>Became friends with a group of guys that were very right wing and slowly realized they were completely retarded which drove me away from being a republican.
>Became a democrat still heavily pro-capitalism of course. Very destiny style liberal with some reactionary tendencies
>Don't remember why but started looking into fidel castro and realized that he wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said he was and actually agreed with a lot of his ideas.
>Read "Principles of Communism" and heavily resonated with it.
>Spent a couple years still as a lib but with sympathies to communism, didn't fully understand it and disagreed but didn't outright hate it like 99% of liberals do.
>Around 2018 started to feel alienated amongst liberals, it's difficult to explain but I felt like I *cared* about things while liberals did not, they would act like they cared but they didn't really give a shit.
>Finally got around to reading some of capital and dove deep into a lot of online communities
>The rest is history
What about you guys?
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>>2830165
>the ideology of various anons was gradually shaped and reshaped by their environment, upbringing, social relations and intellectual curiosity

yeah that's what i find weird about it, that it all just comes from outside influence and not from within. it's like their heads are just buckets that start out completely empty and over the course of their lives get filled with other people's conventional ideas and contain nothing original or weird or unique. bucketheads.

>be me
>be born in America
>be a zoomer
>be in elementary school when Trump gets elected (Yes I am that fucking young)
>hear your parents talk about how much they hate Trump and wish Obama was still president
>Start to hate Trump too because your parents do
>Biden wins election
>really like Biden at first
>Gaza genocide starts
>Be mad at Biden's complicity
>Start to hate the democratic establishment
>Start to like Bernie
>Start to like socialism
>love for socialism becomes love for communism
Im so glad I didn't end up going down the Groyper-Route like so many other Zoomer-White-Boys like me have


>>2830514
This retarded because by that logic the ussr allowed gay sex with teens because there weren’t any laws about gay people(1917-1933)

Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.

My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles.

There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.



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Does anybody here read Ted Grant?
He predictied the collapse of the post-WW2 boom and also basically created the RCI.

https://www.tedgrant.org/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/index.htm

Dead thread

Hes just another dumb western trot

>>2832682
Fuck you

Snca



 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2829889
>, currently, the US is deporting with one hand and reinventing bracero with the other
i've been saying this for years but retards don't even know what the bracero system was and they bought into the build the wall meme and have been coping ever since

>>2828335
I do think that this is yet another example of old liberal talking points being disproven in real time, along with shit like AI. You "vote with your dollars" huh? Or maybe you get garbage you get crap no one asked for forced on you for a decade.

That said, the old standard wasn't big titty ladies, it was some cool guy action man. It is common sense for your main character to be of the same general demographic as the audience you are targeting, and generally "action man kills the bad guys" is a tried and true formula.

Maybe the biggest tell that something weird was going on was the way these female characters tend to look. Unlike the meme you keep seeing, they're not actually ugly, they're all just weirdly plain-faced. Keep in mind, they're pretty much never actually grounded characters meant to be a some kind of everywoman. They're still impossible, larger-than-life characters, but they look like some chick you'd see at the grocery store. At least if they were truly ugly, they might have a striking appearance. Here, they just look like some lady. Which is the last thing you want out of your player character. I wouldn't even pretend to know what the goal of this is, but it feels like its being done on purpose.

In fact, there's a beautiful lady😍🥰 of weird shit that media has been doing lately that no one asked for and doesn't seem to appeal to anyone, and no one even tries to defend beyond an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation, saying that it isn't really there or that you're a bad person for noticing. Which is a weird situation to have had going on for an extended period of time under a capitalist system where you would think that the name of the game would be shameless pandering.

>>2833031
beautiful lady😍🥰
lot

>>2833031
>>2833034
Why is "beautiful lady😍🥰" being wordfiltered to "beautiful lady😍🥰"?

>>2833031
>>2833034
>>2833035
tun, but with an o instead of a u



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What is a revolutionary demand? It seems to me that most of the measures in the Communist Manifesto are simply liberal-democratic demands which decrease the cost of labor-power or otherwise support capital accumulation.

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

This is just a land-value tax. It's basically just Georgism or some other liberalism appropriating economic rent for spending on capital.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
> 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
The state is just going to spend these funds on capital.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Debt and unproductive labor are just different kinds of costs of circulation to appropriate, Hilferdingism is basically Georgism.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Public education just decreases the costs of propagation. Public services like housing, transit, childcare and education just decrease the wages that capitalists need to pay their workers.

These are all good liberal democratic reforms but they're not really proletarian demands.

>what's a DotP?!
Babbie's first thread



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