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>be an army of maybe 6,000 commandos
>raid Israel after breaching the Gazan border with motorcycles, pickup trucks and paragliders/hangliders
>armed with broken guns, black market AKs made in some Chinese factory, S5 unguided rockets fired from a makeshift "SAMS" tube made from construction pipes inside buildings to attack low flying helicopters and boats, roadside bombs and so on
>wins and kills 1,200 zionists
>then engages in the bloody Gaza War, which turns the world against Israel, including America and unites the muslim world with now Türkiye coming to Gaza's aide
>after destroying and flattening Gaza and shooting starving children rushing for food, what's left of Hamas is likely in the hundreds compared to tens of thousands prior to the war
>Houthis hijack the Galaxy Leader Israeli cargo ship in the Red Sea, taking 25 hostages
>Iran goes to war with Israel in 2024
>Israel goes to war with Hezbollah starting in 2024
>2 US Navy SEALs drown in the Arabian Sea off the coast of Somalia while en route to stop the shipments of Iranian weapons and hardware to the Houthis
>Hezbollah drone strikes Benjamin Netanyahu's house
>Thomas Crooks shoots Donald Trump in the head, nicking his ear, killing an audience member, wounding two others before a Secret Service sniper returned fire and killed him (RIP)
>3 US soldiers are killed in Jordan by a Houthi drone
>Assad's government gets toppled by Ankara-aligned rebels from the FSA
>Iran goes to war with the US in 2024 and 2026
We truly are living in the greatest timeline.

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>>2854198
Not so much great, more a return to the to the norm. Quite funny the best the USA were able to get out of unopposed hegemony was a few decades max.
>Türkiye coming to Gaza's aide
Lol. Lmao. They could have turned off the taps and stopped this at any point.

>>2854198
>unites the muslim world with now Türkiye coming to Gaza's aide
stopped reading

go back to plebbit pakistani cuckslamist

>>2854198
>with now Türkiye coming to Gaza's aide
Dont hold your breath waiting for this.

>>2854212
>go back to plebbit pakistani cuckslamist
did you giggle like a schoolgirl as you typed this



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The last few months this board has experienced an increase in growth of literal /glowie/ posting.

Said thung includes, but is not limited to;
>anti-Russia posting
<(of the "leftist-NATO" kind)
>anti-China posting
<(of the "leftcom" kind)
>Venezuela pessimism posting
<(of the Department of War kind)
>Cuba-skepticism posting
<(of the gusano-type)
…and I could go on, and all of these were blanketed under literal CIA-narratives.

I just want my /leftypol/ comrades to know that we remain STRONK, our behaviour is jungle-like, and we shall never falter.

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2853664
This place is actually maddening


porky lover thread

>>2853497
>we remain STRONK
reddit awards

>>2853497
Why is this your chosen image



 

Why does this mentally ill MAGAcuck rage about communists and russian people, like he knows his shit he was talking about brenchev at the end.

Why is MAGA so angry all the time? We saw this behavior at Jan 6th, is it just class struggle but being diverted to false conciuous rage?
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Bump

>>2850501
AMERICQN PQTRIQT

>>2850644
Gotta love Jerry

I thought their kind respected the police lol.

>>2853843
it is a charade



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I made this without a hint of irony.

I like natural rights, Leninism, Hoxhaism, and my philosophy is heavily influenced by Mishima.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>2853030
>>2853036
A figure of romance akin to Mishima in the time of Marx and Engels was Thomas Carlyle, who Engels responds to rather sympathetically:
<Since however the place of the old religion could not remain entirely vacant, we have acquired a new gospel in its stead, a gospel that accords with the hollowness and lack of substance of the age – the gospel of Mammon. The Christian heaven and the Christian hell have been abandoned, the former as doubtful, and the latter as absurd – and you have acquired a new hell; the hell of modern England is the consciousness of “not succeeding, of not making money.” […] Carlyle complains about the emptiness and hollowness of the age, about the inner rottenness of all social institutions. The complaint is fair; but by simply complaining one does not dispose of the matter; in order to redress the evil, its cause must be discovered; and if Carlyle had done this, he would have found that this desultoriness and hollowness, this “soullessness” this irreligion and this “atheism” have their roots in religion itself. Religion by its very essence drains man and nature of substance, and transfers this substance to the phantom of an otherworldly God, who in turn then graciously permits man and nature to receive some of his superfluity. […] The hollowness has long been there, for religion represents man’s action of making himself hollow; and you are surprised that now, when the purple that concealed it has faded, when the fog that enveloped it has passed away, that now, to your consternation, it emerges in the full light of day?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/df-jahrbucher/carlyle.htm

>Marxism-Suicidism

>>2845912
He only loses to you in this category.

>>2845874
>I made this without a hint of irony.
I seriously doubt that

I'm no doctor but, mass shooters and other suicide attackers might have something in common psychologically with Mishima. I just feel like Evola was painting a hierarchy with big joke as it's yolk and that Mishima was completely mad and was masking it. He predicted his own suicide 10 years before in a novel (Kyoko no le, 1959) and then placed his active suicidality in a political spectacle for us to witness.

Extreme aestheticism? Traditionalism? Cosmic absurdity? Dysphoria? idk.



 

Allowing free speech everywhere is good because it keeps Leftists honest and effective. Up until a few years ago, heavy censorship in social media and universities protected Leftists from any pushback which resulted in the creation of extremely retarded and divisive Leftist identity politics. This was deliberately done to ensure the left remained retarded and ineffective.

Now, the Right-wing is slowly being allowed to speak more openly and freely because censorship is not effective in completely silencing them and because there was too much pushback among the Right. So the pressure valve is slowly being released. Events like Musk acquiring Xitter and cancel culture weakening and wokism becoming unpopular even among libs are examples of this.

The ruling class is not afraid of the Right being able to speak their mind, what they are actually afraid is Right-wing ideas and free speech forcing the left to abandon retarded ideologies and beliefs and sharpening their ideological and political outlook to become more rational, and therefore more effective.

This is the missing ingredient that was available in the past and not available until recently. All successful revolutions in the past happened in the context of a heavily right-wing society where the Left had to be extremely smart, rational and hardworking.
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>>2853805
> but strong enough pressure on the left could have had stopped this in certain countries.
strong enough pressure = revolution and SJWs were not gonna do that ever lol

>>2853806
I disagree, this is something that could have been legislated in. I can even see bipartisan support for it.

>>2853728
The SNP haven't been a single issue party since the 1980s, since then they've carved out a very clear social democratic and anti-war position which is ultimately why they took power in 2007 (Scottish Labour surrendered this position by becoming right wing warmongers),their strategy has been to win people over to independence by showing that Scottish nationalism is the only route to social democracy in contrast to an increasingly reactionary UK.
although they've succumbed to most of the bad institutional incentives of the UK and nowadays don't really have a plan or strategy at all and are mostly firefighting a string of bad decisions. Still, it is some measure of how bad the alternatives are that they nevertheless won the recent Scottish elections.

It is true that some TERFs are "real" 1970s radfems but the median TERF is a small-c conservative type how knows homophobia is a bride too far. The average TERF org is a wokewashed conservative group based in Tufton Street alongside tax-cut wankers and climate change denials coasting off US evangelical funding and randomly dipping into homophobia (like opposing bans on conversion therapy or demanding children are outed to their parents)
I have family with such sympathies and they were all "judge people by merit instead of having quotas, I was hired because I'm good not because I'm a woman" types with no particular animus to transgender people who suddenly u-turned and now won't shut up about their new hobby.

>>2853570
I have to agree that its positive our enemies are more visible instead of hiding in the background.

>>2853570
Free speech has never existed. It is only a lie to trick you into saying what will get you killed.



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Clive Davis was rushed to the hospital for lung issues and may not survive another day.

This is important because Davis is a monster who has been far WORSE than Epstein and is a much bigger and more sinister criminal

Davis is one of the most powerful men in the music industry, and there's been rumours for years that he's has been involved in loads of shady shit like running Epstein-like sex trafficking rings in the music industry since the 1970s. It is a known fact Davis was involved in one of the biggest payola scandals in music industry history. He is also known to commit tax fraud/evasion. Plus there is a huge number of musicians whose deaths he was certainly involved in (Janis Joplin, Donny Hathaway, Phyllis Hyman, Luther Vandros, Aaliyah, Left Eye, Whitney Houston, Angie Stone and even Prince). Some say he has CIA connections. Yet he hasn't been charged with anything

Davis buckbroke Diddy when Diddy first entered the music industry. But it gets deeper. Clive Davis is a member of the Study Group (Mega Group), a secretive inner circle of powerful Jewish billionaires. This same organization funded Jeffrey Epstein and gave him his elite connections. We know Epstein was a Mossad agent who was getting blackmail material on the rich and powerful so they’d keep making pro-Israel policies. There is no doubt Clive Davis was absolutely using Diddy to get blackmail material on rappers and pop stars so that they’d stay in-line identical to Epstein. And the Study Group was behind it all.

Davis is also a gigantic Zionist and owns a school at NYU (where criticizing Zionism is against university policy).

Given all this, will Davis finally be exposed on his deathbed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuR1H7US_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClzGRCoGlWc
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>>2829180
>Clive wasn’t named in the files so no idea
Because he has his own set of files.

CLIVE DAVIS CONFESSES TO MURDERING WHITNEY ON DEATHBED.

>Plus there is a huge number of musicians whose deaths he was certainly involved in (Janis Joplin, Donny Hathaway, Phyllis Hyman, Luther Vandros, Aaliyah, Left Eye, Whitney Houston, Angie Stone and even Prince).
Schizo thread

Is that the "me mum died in the holly" scammer?

>>2847285
rest in piss



 

I cope with globalization's destruction of the labor movement by pretending that we have reached the global Lewis turning point. There's just not that big of s global latent reserve army anymore. The capitalists will still be evil but now they will have to explicitly use force or develop technology more in order to exploit us.
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>>2852765
stop giving them ideas

>>2852675
>the global Lewis turning point
what does this even mean

What even is this thread

>>2877835
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_turning_point
The Lewis turning point is a situation in economic development where surplus rural labor is fully absorbed into the manufacturing sector. This typically causes agricultural and unskilled industrial real wages to rise. The term is named after economist W. Arthur Lewis. Shortly after the Lewis point, an economy requires balanced growth policies.[1]

Typically, reaching the Lewis turning point causes an increase in the wage bill and the functional distribution favoring labor.[1] However, in some cases such as in Japan from 1870 to 1920, agricultural labor productivity increased significantly and produced a labor surplus, dampening the rise in real wages.[1]

According to a study by Zhang and Yang, China reached the Lewis point in 2010; cheap labor in the country has rapidly decreased and real agricultural wages have substantially increased.[2] Despite its large population, in the early 2010s China faced labor shortages, and real wages nearly doubled since 2003. Such rapid rise in wages for unskilled work is a key indicator of reaching the Lewis point.[3] However, other journals such as the China Economic Review claim that China has not reached the Lewis point, comparing the effect of the Lewis point in China to the Japanese experience.[4] A 2013 working paper by the International Monetary Fund predicts the Lewis point in China to "emerge between 2020 and 2025".[5]
Lewis curve and automation

In their book, Tshilidzi Marwala and Evan Hurwitz[6] used Arthur Lewis' theory to understand the transition of the economy into the Fourth Industrial Revolution, where much of the production in the economy is automated by artificially intelligent machines. In this regard, they identified an equilibrium point, i.e. Lewis turning point, where automating human labor does not result in additional economic benefit.

>>2852675
You are correct.
Study, join the communist internationalists and intervene in the proletarian conflicts. No compromise. It's sizzle time.



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In defense of the free market.

When we deal with matters of the economy, it’s important to stay grounded in very real world terms and not fall for the abstractions the wealthy propagandize people with. These are systems of metabolizing the labor of everyone in society and then proportioning goods accordingly. Everyday there is work that has to get done to maintain civilization, and “the economy” describes how we incentivize (or more crudely, reward) doing that work. The control and production of everything takes labor, and the biggest issues with society stem from our considering property or ownership of stock as a means of financial gain in of itself over labor. In a preferable society with equal access to education and healthcare and equal rights for all, those capable of doing work should still be made to. There simply is no society without that economic work incentive, and ours is now being destroyed because the incentive is switching to trading stocks and speculating on others businesses instead of putting effort in to produce or maintain anything. I think these best ways to distribute these goods is for a wage system that distributes a currency exchangeable for goods and services at a market rate. Its a fundamentally democratizing force that should be regulated and limited in certain aspects, but that should not be abolished in favor of anything else, as the rich are trying to do now. I support some economic inequality enough to maintain a petit bourgeoisie, I would even say I’m against a UBI.

The reason i don’t identify as a communist is because I see them as abandoning this distributive system in favor of a more hierarchical approach. In a world without currency, you would either have to rigidly control distribution or provide a civilization so materially liberal I don’t think human beings could uncorruptibly function without abusing the systems of social benefit to an unsustainable degree. This is a monopoly of the state and even a state that is democratically controlled should not wield such power in my opinion.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that capitalism doesn’t just have a free market, but as our current neoliberal system extols, has businesses controlled by centralized power and authority rested in bourgeois, old money families. These people are given the reigns of power over their own little fiefdoms, given essentially no oversight or real threat of punishment, and even those that work their way inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2846649
the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)

more generally, the fundamental problem i see in the world today is institutional incompetence. the british government can't build railways, the US government can't build HSR, and yet you envision a world where we can shake our magic wand once for revolution and twice for total overhaul of the economy, get some linear programmers in, and just like that all will be fixed. pray, mr. babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures…?

i am not an advocate in the free market in the sense of being a deep enthusiast for it with an intuitive love of it. i am an advocate in the sense of a devil's advocate, in the sense that i think the standard marxist arguments do not hold up well to conditions on the ground and are not in any case well understood by the average marxist (who instead intuits, in a woolly sense, that Marx's bible must agree with him and that a cleverer person will sort it all out), i am of the view that at the very least we've got to reach the same conclusion as china, that productive forces are insufficiently developed to allow a leap to communism and therefore we're stuck with markets in the short run. if ideal central planning can outperform the market, sub-ideal central planning can easily underperform it. (we can point here to the soviet example. even if you want to go "ah, actually, it was beating the market in 1930!", the very fact one bumbling idiot could come in and have the entire economy cannibalise itself by 1989 speaks to the enormous risks of an incompetent center)

you will be quite correct to say i've dodged your questions, and iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2846824
>tldr: my intuition said so, so i have to make a thread about it
no you didn't lol. this is also some of the funniest shit i read:
>the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)
<central planning is called central planning because center duh
do you have an phd in bullshitenomics? the term you are looking for is called creative destruction and as a matter of fact: all these things you talk about have already been said by someone smarter than you, literally NONE of your ideas are original. you are debating with yourself lol

>>2847096
Why have you included some stupid bullshit about famines in reply to someone who has stuck exclusively and monotonously to economic questions?

>>2847096
  1. i did not make this thread
  2. i am not looking for creative destruction, although that is one facet of the evolutionary nature of markets. the airline industry in the us, for example, has been quite resistant to creative destruction (most carriers die via mergers rather than ceasing to exist, and most legacy airlines today have gone bankrupt several times but chapter-11'd their way back instead of being "creatively destroyed") yet they still evolved this fascinating business model.
  3. i make no claims to originality.

>image
image 2 is completely irrelevant and based on the assumption i'm someone i'm not (were this a thread about soviet or chinese famines, i'd be on the "and how many famines afterwards?" side of the argument.
as for image 1: it seems quite confused. the 1930s have almost nothing to teach us, the 1970s just have lol-wrong numbers. (us real gdp growth 1970 > 1979 averaged 3%, more than the 2.5% it could supposedly "only dream about" in that decade.) "how many brazillians have been to space?" is an odd rhetorical question when the answer isn't "zero", as it is for most countries.

i will engage mainly with the question of the asian tigers, because (aside from the obvious point that their planning was far less expansive than that of the USSR) one obvious part is missing in the defence of planning: as export oriented economies they were still exposed to market discipline. general park mandated that companies export cars, but crucially, to avoid losing money they had to learn to export good cars cheaply, because park could not mandate that american consumers buy korean cars. this is in contrast to other cases like india where getting the central planners to designate you a car manufacturer was a licence to print money because you had a captive domestic market that you could force to buy third-rate british designs from 1950 in the year 1980 because they had no other choice.

more generally: planning in a poor country is a good way to administer things while breaking up old social bonds that form a barrier to setting up a modern society. this is a big reason that china is rich and india isn't - mao successfully abolished the "idiocy of rural life" and created a populace ideally suited to working in modern conditions, while indiaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2842776
>money exists in the first place to hide alienation during production, if labor time = wages then you couldn't hide exploitation
they'd come up with a way to hide it



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I bet my good friend Donald Trump has done Israel’s bidding and went to war so you’d focus on all the dead children in Iran instead of in the files. It’s pretty crazy, I thought for sure the “thanks for the torture video” emails would put an end to my cabal but it looks like they aren’t even touching Wexner. Well I gotta get back to haunting Steve Bannon. Every morning I soak his scalp in some vegetable oil from the kitchen, it’s a great laugh when he doesn’t just give up on showering.

What's the deeeal with child porn?

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>>2851957
Nice try FBI, but you cannot smear Chairman Jeffery on this board.
LONG LIVE MARXISM-EPSTEINISM!

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>>2851957
They're still dabbing on us



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It work pretty well for a bit in Catalonia, but I'm not really sure the means of revolution adapted to the conditions of 1920s Spain would really translate all that well to modern day America.
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>>2852706
Have they ever effectively be the base of any revolutionary movement, not just in theory? I always felt unions were about negotiating a better deal not to overthrow anything.
They tend to make the business worse due to endemic corruption and also not bring anything close to communism, not even real social democracy since they were always downstream from powerful state capacity and not some decentralized salary bargaining.

>>2852858
They can be, unions can strike for reform such as higher wages and better conditions but the logical conclusion of all that is the abolishing of the wage system altogether so it really depends on the level of class consciousness that they have and the material conditions that would be auspicious for such a demand to become a real potential.

>>2852806
Exactly, non state socialism is essentially anti-competitive so lacks the coercive slave driving to prod the proletariat above and beyond their capacity. Which is why it cannot exist within the international community which the bourgeoisie would just see as a vacuum to capitalise on. Once the productive forces have built up and reached an equalibrium on a global scale and there are no more countries to imperialise, the bourgeoisie will be backed into a corner since they would no longer be able to buy out through reform since they cannot export or import labour to poorer nations and will be at the mercy of the demands of the proletariat

who cares what idiotas on here think is "viable"

>still
never was



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