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Explain your political progression. I'll start with mine, I live in the US for reference.
>I started off as vaguely conservative when I first starting learning about politics (was really into the whole "competition drives innovation" type thing). Didn't like feminism and what I thought was political correctness gone mad. Was christian (still thought shit like noahs ark was retarded though).
>Grew out of Christianity and as a result became disillusioned with a lot of the republican messaging.
>Became friends with a group of guys that were very right wing and slowly realized they were completely retarded which drove me away from being a republican.
>Became a democrat still heavily pro-capitalism of course. Very destiny style liberal with some reactionary tendencies
>Don't remember why but started looking into fidel castro and realized that he wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said he was and actually agreed with a lot of his ideas.
>Read "Principles of Communism" and heavily resonated with it.
>Spent a couple years still as a lib but with sympathies to communism, didn't fully understand it and disagreed but didn't outright hate it like 99% of liberals do.
>Around 2018 started to feel alienated amongst liberals, it's difficult to explain but I felt like I *cared* about things while liberals did not, they would act like they cared but they didn't really give a shit.
>Finally got around to reading some of capital and dove deep into a lot of online communities
>The rest is history
What about you guys?
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>>2830165
>the ideology of various anons was gradually shaped and reshaped by their environment, upbringing, social relations and intellectual curiosity

yeah that's what i find weird about it, that it all just comes from outside influence and not from within. it's like their heads are just buckets that start out completely empty and over the course of their lives get filled with other people's conventional ideas and contain nothing original or weird or unique. bucketheads.

>be me
>be born in America
>be a zoomer
>be in elementary school when Trump gets elected (Yes I am that fucking young)
>hear your parents talk about how much they hate Trump and wish Obama was still president
>Start to hate Trump too because your parents do
>Biden wins election
>really like Biden at first
>Gaza genocide starts
>Be mad at Biden's complicity
>Start to hate the democratic establishment
>Start to like Bernie
>Start to like socialism
>love for socialism becomes love for communism
Im so glad I didn't end up going down the Groyper-Route like so many other Zoomer-White-Boys like me have


>>2830514
This retarded because by that logic the ussr allowed gay sex with teens because there weren’t any laws about gay people(1917-1933)

Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet.

My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles.

There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.



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Does anybody here read Ted Grant?
He predictied the collapse of the post-WW2 boom and also basically created the RCI.

https://www.tedgrant.org/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/index.htm

Dead thread

Hes just another dumb western trot

>>2832682
Fuck you

Snca



 

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>>2829889
>, currently, the US is deporting with one hand and reinventing bracero with the other
i've been saying this for years but retards don't even know what the bracero system was and they bought into the build the wall meme and have been coping ever since

>>2828335
I do think that this is yet another example of old liberal talking points being disproven in real time, along with shit like AI. You "vote with your dollars" huh? Or maybe you get garbage you get crap no one asked for forced on you for a decade.

That said, the old standard wasn't big titty ladies, it was some cool guy action man. It is common sense for your main character to be of the same general demographic as the audience you are targeting, and generally "action man kills the bad guys" is a tried and true formula.

Maybe the biggest tell that something weird was going on was the way these female characters tend to look. Unlike the meme you keep seeing, they're not actually ugly, they're all just weirdly plain-faced. Keep in mind, they're pretty much never actually grounded characters meant to be a some kind of everywoman. They're still impossible, larger-than-life characters, but they look like some chick you'd see at the grocery store. At least if they were truly ugly, they might have a striking appearance. Here, they just look like some lady. Which is the last thing you want out of your player character. I wouldn't even pretend to know what the goal of this is, but it feels like its being done on purpose.

In fact, there's a beautiful lady😍🥰 of weird shit that media has been doing lately that no one asked for and doesn't seem to appeal to anyone, and no one even tries to defend beyond an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation, saying that it isn't really there or that you're a bad person for noticing. Which is a weird situation to have had going on for an extended period of time under a capitalist system where you would think that the name of the game would be shameless pandering.

>>2833031
beautiful lady😍🥰
lot

>>2833031
>>2833034
Why is "beautiful lady😍🥰" being wordfiltered to "beautiful lady😍🥰"?

>>2833031
>>2833034
>>2833035
tun, but with an o instead of a u



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What is a revolutionary demand? It seems to me that most of the measures in the Communist Manifesto are simply liberal-democratic demands which decrease the cost of labor-power or otherwise support capital accumulation.

>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

This is just a land-value tax. It's basically just Georgism or some other liberalism appropriating economic rent for spending on capital.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
> 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
The state is just going to spend these funds on capital.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Debt and unproductive labor are just different kinds of costs of circulation to appropriate, Hilferdingism is basically Georgism.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Public education just decreases the costs of propagation. Public services like housing, transit, childcare and education just decrease the wages that capitalists need to pay their workers.

These are all good liberal democratic reforms but they're not really proletarian demands.

>what's a DotP?!
Babbie's first thread



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Biking feels a little communist when you notice how it depends on shared public space and collective infrastructure, but honestly I just like not spending money on gas and parking. Should the cities of the future plan only for bikes and pedestrians (and other forms of electric micromobility for those who need it) and spacious trains to carry your bike as you go from city in city in 20 mins instead of 4+ hours as it is now?

Thoughts?
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>>2832710
The American government is better at that than you’ll ever be

>>2832719
Fentanyl and school shooters are more anti imperialist than the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq combined

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>>2832585
"Damn, Nietzsche, save some takes for the rest of us."

cyclists are subhuman

Yeah, that's called city design.



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We know workers dislike domination. And contra Lyotard, they also dislike exploitation. But might a significant number of workers actually enjoy being estranged from the objects of their labor? Or at least, might they be indifferent enough to not see alienation as a problem?

Consider that as an alienated worker, I am encouraged to be utterly unconcerned with labor conditions outside of my own workplace. Or the quantity and quality of production of commodities that I do not consume. Those are the concerns of management and the bourgeoisie. My alienation provides a perverse degree of "freedom" from society, to focus only on my individual consumption and not the conditions of my fellow workers.

Whereas in a communist society of free and equal producers, I am supposed to have an interest the labor conditions in all workplaces in a society, as each directly affects the amount of social product available for consumption. The degree of political control needed to make that happen equitably seems extremely time-consuming and limiting, and I imagine a lot of workers would be turned off by it.

Perhaps that is why most 'socialist' experiments have never really addressed alienation, and why most workers seem completely resigned to the hyper-alienated existence mediated by apps and nation-states despite everyone allegedly agreeing on how horrible it is.
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OP alienated his from some pussy! Thats whats going on here

Not exactly, but I enjoy the complex schema my psychology constructs to cope with it. It's a refined sort of taste

>>2832645
Alienation is also a legal term. The labourer is objectively alienated from the products of his labor and therefore deciding on their fate, because he's hired for his labour power and paid the market price for it in legal separation from the means by which he produces. The subjective effects of this separation are conditional in their historically determined manifestations, but they are nonetheless significant to Marx's later work. In the first volume of Capital, this is understood to be the basis of the working class' intellectual and physical immiseration as "an appendage of the machine" from Chapter 6 onwards. This is how I understand it in relation to the species-being, in the sense of man's creativity as harnessed for production guided by the self-destructive capitalist drive to valorize dead labour as opposed to production for the sake of usefulness based on human reasoning. David Harvey has a good video going over alienation in case my rambling doesn't elucidate it

If you do particularly dull work, you can think about other stuff while doing it. If the work process is rearranged by psychology experts to make it more engaging and empowering and blahblahblah, this can make your quality of life worse.

Most people are goycattle slaves and as long as they have Netflix and food they don't care about anything, we will never see a socialist revolution in our lifetimes



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Without resorting to vitriolic name-calling and unproven conspiracies and 70+ y/o propaganda, Explain why picrel and his thought is le bad?

Just want honest, productive discussion
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>>2832666
It's because you have nothing to discuss and nothing to respond with. All you had was condemnation of the USSR. Whether I'm "hyper aggressive" is not relevant

>>2832670
okay dude, call the NKVD on me, they'll be here any minute.

>>2832672
I accept your concession. Now never needlessly criticize the Soviet Union ever again!

>>2832664
>Achievements of trotskysim
Its never been tried

>>2832693
That would be Stalin and the partition of Palestine



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I think given what Lincoln was faced with he made by far the most moral decisions, but even what he did was just a bandaid for real change that was made excruciatingly slowly from 1868 on.
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>>2832437
only nominally

>>2832436
JFK said the quiet part out loud

>>2832437
Bullshit they wanted the confederacy to win, Prussia and Russia were both firmly with the Union.

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This is how ultras talk about FDR

>>2832437
Not really.

>>2832457
I don't think they ever actually wanted/expected the confederacy to win but they were happy to make money from them and hoped the war would damage America and make cheaper goods available. However once the Lincoln proclamation happened they had to come down on the side of the Union and stop selling to the confederacy.



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50% truth combined with 50% untruth equals 100% annihilation of reality.

every point on the line between "the world is round" and "the world is flat" is just as absurd and stupid as "the world is flat".

there can never be any convenient model or algorithm or formula for knowing the truth of the world without the application of thought. there are no substitutes for thought.

any time we rely on shortcuts, some kind of simplified universal model, to understand reality instead of conscious thought, rigorous disciplined mental effort, we are practicing religion. god is religion, teleology is religion, dialectics is religion, LLMs are religion.

marx believed that religion is the opiate of the uneducated commoners and that religion only comes from traditional churches and priests, but religion can take infinite possible forms and anyone can fall victim to the allure of a simple answer.
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>>2827672
>Darwin did not derive natural selection through a formal logical proof in the mathematical sense. Instead, he worked dialectically in a broad sense: he examined tensions and interactions between opposing tendencies in nature.

that's not how darwin developed the theory of evolution. he developed it by leaving his house and travelling all over the world on ships and observing lots of wild animals and fossilized skeletal remains in different regions and talking to farmers and asking them questions about their selective breeding practices for plants and animals, writing things down in his journals and gathering lots of information, i.e. a lot of hard work. he didn't do it by sitting on his ass in a cozy armchair philosophizing and bloviating with other intellectual windbags. science is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration.

dialectics is correct in its first assertion, that reality emerges from the interplay of two fundamental forces, but that assertion was made thousands of years ago by eastern philosophers and is nothing new or revolutionary. where dialectics goes wrong is its following assertion that by understanding the duality we can understand the totality, that there could ever be some kind of synthesis achieved between the two fundamental forces. there can be no novel synthesis, the synthesis was where it all began, long ago, before the One split into two and created the universe. the synthesis vanished the moment our world came into being and it is gone forever.

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Step 1.
<The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
<Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
>AI Overview In the late 19th century, opium usage was widespread and socially normalized across the Western world and Asia. It was primarily consumed as an accessible, over-the-counter medicine, though the period marked a cultural shift as governments began to recognize its addictive dangers and impose the first strict regulations
<The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
It's almost like truly understanding and contextualizing these authors requires engaging with questions that were taken for granted then.

Step 2. In Order
>Hegel, Encyclopedia Logic, §§107–111 (Measure).
>Engels, Anti‑Dühring, chapters on quantity–quality.
>Engels, Dialectics of Nature, “Basic Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2830123
When you use grok to digest difficult posts you don't have to re-share that back here champ.

>>2825086
>This is PRECISELY what Hegel says
yeah same i was fuckin lolin @ op



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The goal of Mahayana Buddhism is to become a Bodhisattva, an enlightened being who takes a vow to not enter Nirvana until they've achieved the liberation of a certain class, sometimes all classes, of sentient things.

There are many Mahayanists who are Marxists, Tenzin Gyatso included (although he's a filthy leftcom). There are also many Marxists who are Mahayanists. Engaged Buddhism is a thing, as well as humanistic and secular Buddhism.

Ceterum te certiorem facere debeo: qui procedet, in Terra Pura renascetur! Qui recedet, in inferno ardebit! Gloria Buddhae Amitābhae!

Furthermore, I must inform you, he who advances will be reborn in the Pure Land! He who retreats will burn in hell! Glory to the Amitabha Buddha!
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>>2810984
Anatta, that the self does not exist, except through dependent origination.

Buddhism has been strip-mined by Neo-Confucianism and Daoism, and in fact given Theravada and Mindfulness Buddhism it already exists as a Trojan horse within the capitalist system because its ontological priors are in fact hostile to capitalist function.

The idea that the self is not an actual basic reality provides a powerful battering ram against capitalist atomization, and can be used as a basis for solidarity.

Moreover, if we go to cause and effect, Yogacara already has a potent weapon to alienate that, wherein each moment of time is actually fully independent; every frame of reality self-immanentizing.

>>2792434
I hate landlords. The clergy are as useless as the nobility.

>>2792434
So revolution is enlightenment?

>>2823620
Yes. You cannot achieve Nirvana without proletarian revolution.

Atheism >>>



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