/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2884051
That’s because a union doesn’t exist to overthrow anything, it exists to get more money and benefits for itself and its members, those got broken along with any and all communist parties in sufficiently industrialized countries. They only managed to pull it off in places with a large peasantry or in the colonies where the bourgeois was either weak or could unite with the communists to cast out compradors and imperialist bourgeois.

2. Conservative or Bourgeois Socialism
>A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems. We may cite Proudhon’s Philosophie de la Misère as an example of this form. The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom. They desire the existing state of society, minus its revolutionary and disintegrating elements. They wish for a bourgeoisie without a proletariat. The bourgeoisie naturally conceives the world in which it is supreme to be the best; and bourgeois Socialism develops this comfortable conception into various more or less complete systems. In requiring the proletariat to carry out such a system, and thereby to march straightway into the social New Jerusalem, it but requires in reality, that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie. A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in economical relations, could be of any advantage to them. By changes in the material conditions of existence, this form of Socialism, however, by no means understands abolition of the bourgeois relations of production, an abolition that can be affected only by a revolution, but administrative reforms, based on the
continued existence of these relations; reforms, therefore, that in no respect affect the relations
between capital and labour, but, at the best, lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative work, of bourgeois government. Bourgeois Socialism attains adequate expression when, and only when, it becomes a mere figure
of speech. Free trade: for the benefit of the working class. Protective duties: for the benefit of the working
class. Prison Reform: for the bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2884056
*only a section
and i fucked up the formatting

I think you're treating capitalism's current strength as if it were a permanent feature of history rather than a historical stage. Marx never argued that capitalism would collapse because people simply became convinced by communist arguments. He argued that every mode of production develops contradictions that eventually become too great to manage. Class consciousness is a product of struggle, not a prerequisite for it. Think about it: the Roman peasant did not wake up one morning as a conscious feudalist, and the medieval burgher did not first write liberal theory and then overthrow feudalism. Material development came first, political consciousness developed through conflict, and only afterwards did a new ruling class consolidate its ideology. Why would socialism be the only exception?

I also think you're giving bourgeois ideology too much credit. Yes, capitalist media, surveillance, advertising, and education are vastly more sophisticated than anything previous ruling classes possessed. But they exist precisely because the bourgeoisie cannot simply rely on naked force anymore. Their ideological apparatus is not evidence of invincibility; it is evidence of constant maintenance. A stable ruling class does not need to spend billions manufacturing consent every year.

As for the 20th century, I don't think "we blew our only shot" is a Marxist conclusion. The Russian Revolution happened in one of Europe's least-developed capitalist countries, after a world war had shattered the state. The Chinese Revolution emerged from semi-colonial conditions. Neither represented the mature capitalist societies Marx expected to become socialist first. Their successes and failures should therefore be analyzed concretely, not mythologized either positively or negatively. People also overestimate the permanence of capitalist legitimacy. In 1900, monarchy looked eternal. In 1985, the USSR looked permanent. In 2005, globalization looked unstoppable. History repeatedly humiliates predictions of permanence.

The real question is not "why aren't workers revolutionary?" but "what objective conditions produce revolutionary organization?" Right now, the working class is fragmented, international capital is highly mobile, unions are weak in many countries, and communist parties are either marginal or revisionist. Those are organizational problems, not proof that capitalism has transcended its contradictions. Ironically, many of the tendencies you describe are Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2884033
>labor aristocrats
ok porky

>>2884004
Yes and that's because Hamas didn't plan to die in a blaze of glory. They remained committed and endured suffering.

>>2884005
At least the IDF are bleeding in Lebanon and Syria

>>2883987
The mfs that say that "western leftists" have christian ideals and love martyrs and losers then turn around and suck off islamist losers lmao.

Islamists ᴉuᴉlossnWs dying like dogs. Damn, like real ᴉuᴉlossnW.

>>2884035
I hate Western leftists and I do not think that Western leftists have Christian ideals or any ideals for that matter, beyond new left degeneracy. They are worthless degenerates who have done nothing for the world but navelgaze.
>>2884037
Hamas are better socialists then all Western Leftists

>>2877644
Less, by most accounts. Nevertheless their lives haven't been lost in vain if it's Kiev that thought they'd get a better deal by refusing diplomacy.

Giving FARC a break

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>>2876829
>IDK anything about this stuff, but continuity of MAGA past Trump has to be a very big deal. It has to be done smoothly, all at once, whatever the path. Like with the Epstein files and the Tea Party leftovers.
The structure is something I've heard people on the right talk about. It has been written about regarding the Republican Party going back to the 1970s with Nixon and Ford, and in the 2000s around the campaign to elect George W. Bush. (One of the leading multi-level marketing companies in America that started all of this is Amway, led by the De Vos family.) This emerged out of "tupperware parties" where a suburban housewife would sell plastic crap to her friends. The idea is that you're far more likely to buy something from a friend or relative than a stranger. (This is also interrelated with Evangelical culture in America.) The other important thing is that selling the plastic crap is not the main purpose, it's recruiting other people buying the plastic crap to then become sellers of it to other people with the promise that the seller can become independently wealthy. Also there's a commission structure that rewards early adopters, hence it looks like a pyramid.

If you really look at the American right, this is just everywhere. A bunch of these influencers are either involved in schemes like this, like selling some supplement, or they directly come out of the multi-level marketing business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bet-David

Applied to politics, you also salami-slice the electorate. Like (a) Evangelical women (b) dudes who like hunting/guns (c) Catholics. You have a bunch of different buckets, and you have "team leaders" recruited from different groups then try to sell the "tupperware" (the candidate) while recruiting more people to sell the candidate and so on. Party organizations turn into a kind of living room of "upline" and "downline" recruits. Also this is now online with so-called "dark money" that flows to various pro-Trump social media influencers, podcasters, etc.

>My completely uneducated guess is that, there was some level of strategy to ACP's "MAGA communism" beyond clout farming. They may have been trying to co-opt this process. ProbaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter. That charter envisioned a system similar to the 2016 Naftogaz model, where production, transportation, storage, and distribution are four separate entities (in technical terms – unbundling), and access to the main gas transit system would be granted to Turkmen, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, and even Polish gas from Świnoujście. The idea was that these players, to curry favor with the European authorities, would lower prices, allowing Europeans to buy cheap gas and oil at $30–50 a barrel, just like in the glory days of the 1990s when the West reveled in its unipolar dominance.

Once ratification was rejected, and Gazprom began systematically expanding its presence by acquiring capacity and distribution networks in the EU, with oil consolidated under Rosneft, Khodorkovsky whisking away his assets, and Nevzlin hiding in Israel, the EU launched its first gas war. The narrative was that the Russians had become unreliable and were abusing their monopoly position. This laid the groundwork for: a) moving away from the old transit scheme that allowed unlimited transit through Ukrainian gas infrastructure to the EU; b) the foundation for the Third Energy Package; and c) the theoretical justification for the Gas Directive, which imposed a 50/50 ownership and pumping split on pipelines and tried to force suppliers into price competition through discriminatory access to Russian gas transit infrastructure.

Then came the second gas war, the arbitrary cancellation of South Stream, the difficult but ultimately successful launch of Nord Stream 1 (based on Soviet-era surveys), the OPAL regulation, Gazprom's acquisition of distribution networks, storage facilities, gas stations, and refineries in Bulgaria and Serbia – and a lot more. But the EU had already declared that it wanted gas cheaper, ideally for free.

After that came arbitrary lawsuits, Stockholm arbitrations, retroactive gas directives, antitrust actions in Poland, bans and obstacles to Nord Stream 2, and attempts to derail TurkStream. When it became clear that the transit system was pumping, TurkStream was pumping, Nord Stream 1 was pumping, and Nord Stream 2 was nearly finished, they dropped the first tactical nuclear bomb: the Stockholm arbitration ruling that invalidated the contract price.

Gazprom swallowed that and managed to substitute volumes, after which the EU introduced the Gas Directive, efPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I know im risking a ban by saying this so ill preface with the fact that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SUPPORT UKRAINE OR NATO but the sheer amount of mental gymnastics and cope in this thread toconvince yourself that Russia is winning this shit is honestly pathetic. I though a place filled with leftists would be a bit more self critical and grounded but this is genuinely indistinguishable from when /pol/ picks a side in some random social or military conflict and goes into complete psychosis to make themselves believe their side is "winning" and "BTFO-ing" the other side. Not to mention class struggle that has been completely pushed aside in favour of petty nationalism and hype-moment addiction. This thread is sad. If you are over 22 and behave like this then i don't know what to tell you.

You morns really don't understand this is going to accelerate the collapse of the left and the rise of Caudioism

>>2883968
There isn't and hasn't been a "left" movement for over 30 years now. Not even a rise of it.

You morns really don't understand this is going to accelerate the collapse of the left and the rise of Caudioism

>>2883870
how the fuck is this zionist

>>2883978
look into it

>>2879234
btw frogs do in fact notice change in the water's temperature,which is why you cook them the same way you do lobsters,if you would slowly rise the heat,she would just wake up and jump out

>>2879240
The extent of the eccentricities of Posadas was being a sect leader at 65-69 and earlier in his life advocating for thermonuclear war during the cuban missle crisis. The alien stuff was mostly his sectmembers after he passed. Dolphin stuff are overblown ramblings of an old weak and confused man, but he had claimed an that dolphins after establishment of communism would be comrades.
At least that's from what I gauged from reading A.M. Gittlitz "I want to believe".

How is this guy not criminally underrated? Seems his problem was being ahead of his time?

>>2879240
Yeah, the real absurdity here is that he's a trotskyist

>>2874004
bro what a weird ass thing to say
>you're a victim of a heinous crime!!!!!
how is that a gotcha to anyone but a reactionary slime mold

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>>2874031
thank you for the replies to this question. I will ponder them now but don't have much to say back except thank you. I just want you to know I have received and read them.

>>2874164 stop moralfagging on leftypol

>>2874197
it's fucking weird and you know it.

uphold D2W (Dengism-2nd-Worldism)

>>2883365
Communists aren’t truly leftists. Communists are above leftism in truth.

>>2883365
Can you really call yourself a leftist if you don't have a list of comrades you want killed after you take power?

>>2883365
marx doomed communism to be co-opted by crypto-socdems when he kicked anarchists out of the first international

>>2883499
marx:
>Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom.

bakunin:
<By origin Marx is a Jew. One might say that he combines all of the positive qualities and all of the short comings of that capable race. A nervous man, some say to the point of cowardice, he is extremely ambitious and vain, quarrelsome, intolerant, and absolute, like Jehovah, the Lord God of his ancestors, and, like him, vengeful to the point of madness. There is no lie or calumny that he would not invent and disseminate against anyone who had the misfortune to arouse his jealousy – or his hatred, which amounts to the same thing. And there is no intrigue so sordid that he would hesitate to engage in it if in his opinion (which is for the most part mistaken) it might serve to strengthen his position and his influence or extend his power

>>2821418

Crakkkers and WASPS have a long and ancient tradition of child rape, and torture for fun, even within their own family structures. The white elite have sold their daughters for favors from other bourgeoise for decades, generations, years, and royal white crakkker families have been involved in global rape for ages is this surprising? The arizona police deparment are some of the most vile imperialist zionist swine out there, they killed multiple comrades and covered it up. they put hits out on good people with neo-nazis, one of them ordering their killers on stormfront named jared 88, this is all i could find related to the murders. everything related was wiped from the internet, and the phoenix PD were in on it. Jared 88 is and was involved with mob members in witness protection, who were players in the organized human trafficking of minors.

>>2838501
Do you have any articles about the arizona police?

>>2397979

Low tier epstein drone.

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>>2871913
>Its funny how these classes never applied the class warfare logic to their own ideas.
Well Lenin said somewhere that socialism springs not from the workers but from bourgeois intellectuals, so I though that was kinda honest of him. Also funny how it makes conservatives right when they complain that proles are obedient boys and girls and it's those meddling socialists who stir up trouble. Otherwise the workers would just ask for unions and higher wages.

>>2880830
Nobody actually enjoys dating.

>>2871913
>their hatred for the "idiocy of rural life" reflects a latent hatred for the environment, which imposes hard biological limits on the utopian fantasies of such intellectuals.
I genuinely don't understand who would make such posts. The only image that comes to mind is an Emirati or equivalent with a severe deficit of self-awareness. Because any human being who's actually stuck against a "biological reality" holds extreme contempt for his circumstances and wishes for nothing more than to overcome it, like a mother that just lost another child out of the half humans biologically lose without modern medicine. Or a peasant whose friend died because of another crop failure. Nothing is more human than overcoming these obstacles.

>>2880887
Put down the epstein slop on your phone

>>2880830
already did all that shit and it gets boring