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So I know this guy is kinda wacky but hes different from the neolib norm.

Leftypol whats your opinion on based ha joon chang is he interesting or is he just a quack
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>Wolff's book contending economic theories is probably better tbh
Yes, but it's a lot.
I'd suggest >>539638
>'23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism'
And that Greek dude



there are at least hundreds of millions of people with something resembling "chang"/"zhang"/"jang", get over it whitey or you're getting Dien Bien Phu 2.0


really this is how useful much of the Western left is, they bitch and moan about idpol but the second someone with interesting things to say has a different kind of name they fucking sperg out like retards thus proving the idpolistas correct about the mindset of white Western chauvinists.



He's Korean.

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prison labour, child marriage, human trafficking, mass shootings, school shootings, riots, endless propaganda and mind control, never ending imperialist wars, rising debt, horrendous race relations, deindustrialization, declining share in the global economy, declining geopolitical influence, low wages, poor public safety, non existent social securities, extreme costs of living, facism being mainstream, every industry is corrupt, bourgeoisie democracy, obesity, rampant drug addiction, constant crises in basic goods and services, rising suicide rates, noticeable paranoia in the general populace of the outside world and the government, domestic terrorism, segregation, still having problems with slavery, corrupt legal system that exists to protect the rich, corrupt and incompetent police force, extreme divorce rates, loneliness crisis, aging and fertility crises, horrendous treatment of migrants both legal and not, all create a country thats so deep into late stage capitalism that at this point I no longer care about how shit it actually is I just wanna see how fucking far these people can go before civil war actually hits.

How much longer do you think theyll last and what will this country look like when its a day before it dissolves as a state?
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bro dont say this even though its based


George jackson



Prison labour is good when it benefits society at large and isn't done by dubiously imprisoned minorities.

So begin nationalizing all prisons and security services and then amend punishment laws that they are better tiered (minor offences get community service all the way up to rape, public liberalism and treason getting death).


you can't get anything large-scale done in the us. just try to help who you can and wait for it to die


I choose stone age communism

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Does Marx believe that capitalism has an essence to it? What's the essence of capitalism?

What about humans?
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the profit motive


this tbh



Marx was anything but an essentialist. He didn't define things by what they are "stuck as", but by what we know that they do. So he defined capitalism and humans by how they run their course in the world. That is why Marxism is a science.

What causes capitalism to run its course is the contradiction between the interests of the bourgeoisie and the interests of the proletariat. This is reflected on the level of the commodity, in the contradiction between exchgange value and use value.

What causes us humans to run our course is that we reflect the world back upon itself through social labor. Our social reality gets caught up in the process by which we shape the world around us. We are a bit more than just tool-using monkeys, because we augment our concrete material tools, like shovels and factories, with virtual supplements: Social relations of production, such as class relations and division of labor.


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>I havent read hegel

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Post any criticism or call out any flaws of socialism and its practice IRL here (including its ideological flaws and economic mishaps), and if available, its solutions.
Certainly socialism isn't perfect just like anything else, right?
All these criticism can also be something we can learn from and improve…
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Based thread idea. My criticism? Detente was a terrible idea that kept the comintern on the defensive


>The gist of the general critique is directed against belief systems of a totalizing logic (involving dialectics, teleology, etc.) and it works because a totalizing belief system is fatalist, in the sense that it predicts in exchange for the freedom of choice. This makes it patently obvious when someone is abusing political theory, because they attempt to have chance as well as necessity, choice as well as determinism

God I fucking hate this philosopher mumble. Can you please explain that again in plain english for poor stupid idiots like me?


I don't know how you manage to be a socialist while disliking technical wording. Nevertheless, it's easy to summarize what I'm on about here: If proponents of a political system claim moralfaggotry on their part is a necessary pre-requisite of the inevitable future the theory predicts, their real investment isn't in the belief system, but some emotional complex of theirs. They operate under false pretenses and fuck up the integrity of the theoretical system to justify their appropriating a position of relative power. I sometimes jokingly call it Twitter politics because of how vapid it is, and how much of it is to be found online. People of this sort would fold at the sight of insurrection.


>I don't know how you manage to be a socialist while disliking technical wording
Just the philosophy part is a bit much at time


Parties are more often than not a complete waste of time and usually devolve into cliques and cults. Much better to organize around working class organizations which have a singular specific purpose and to foster links between such organizations (such as, say, between tenants and trade unions.)

Parties let you sit back smugly with a set of theoretical positions, "lines" on issues and facile "demands" (never do those making "demands" seem to wonder, what if the reply was to come: "or else what?" - what is the microparty to do if their demands are rejected? i suppose it could put an angry article on their website…), and this is a tendency which is likely to occur even in a party which puts a premium on actual work. It is a tendency of the structure itself. A party does as a party does. That's why the form itself should be cast aside.

I've excised a lot of thoughts on electoral parties. If your party has an elected communist party, sure, whatever, good job to thm for organizing around some kind of concrete result. But generally, microparties that try to win elections are just as bad as those that abhor electoralism, plus about £100 a year poorer.


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Thanks news anon


>HelloFresh Is Paying Thousands Of Dollars A Day To Anti-Union Consultants
In contrast, consider that the COO and other high execs of the Gorillas delivery company dressed as couriers and went to worker strikes chanting "stop the strike, we want to deliver". The fucking idiots were obviously discovered. Consultancy is many times just saying "don't do retarded shit like this".

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How do you guys feel about economics? I see a lot of replies about who economics is apparently bourgie propaganda. But it isn't it's simply a social (and sometimes other) science that tries to explain price, value, and distribution. Marxism (developed by Marx) is an economic school. So with an actual answer one of the people who say economics only serves the rich step forward and make your argument
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So was Sismondi. Basically any economist who was interest in investigating the social relations of economy rather than vulgar economists that came after.


The secret of economics is in its original name: political economy, emphasis on political. Political for good reason because economy was political when aristocratic landlords still existed and the old feudal fetters still remains in certain guilds. As soon as the entire feudal order was uprooted, political economy became just economy, or economics, which led to vulgar crap. Political economy continues to be political only as it relates to the workers of course.


Smith was a moral philosopher and capitalism was just a side project. Ricardo was right in his day but globalization as a result of technological development has rendered his idea of comparative advantage obsolete. Companies today would rather source products from across an ocean if regulatory arbitrage means they can skimp on taxation, safety, and wage costs.

Covid has induced a supply chain shock though so we're likely to see a reversal of globalization from its peak in the early 2010s.


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China is state capitalism.
Market socialism would be Yugoslavia, where the workers have control over the means of production.
China would've let Stjepan Mesic build his factory and he would have become a billionaire.


Yugoslavia's "market socialism" was a disaster and pants on head retarded. The Tito admin was one of the first and worst wreckers in the comintern leadership

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Dugin and Eurasianism are the worst enemy of Marxism-Leninism. Divides all mankind into Atlanticist reptiles and Eurasian patriots. The latter should not have any freedom, because this is Atlantic filth.
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>taliban are now giving citizenships to Israeli citizens


This probably goes back to when the Israelis backed the mujihadeen along with the US and China. Israel has probably been involved with the taliban the whole time, probably part of the reason Iran doesn’t like the taliban. Looks like afghansitan is more likely to be a Saudi Arabia than an Iran


Sage this is embarrassing. You literally got raped. Just stop and take the L.


You mean the majority of posters agreeing with me and the other guy posting sources that are direct CIA sources and also disprove the point he was trying to make, k


Also apparently my last response has been deleted wtf


I think that irony and the disease of irony poisoning is destroying the west instead of just plain ass capitalism, sure you got the falling rate of profit and shit like that but the Asian seems like they don't really have a concept of irony and as such the concept of lies, truth and deceit are more clear. In the west, information is chaos and even misdirection can be misinterpreted as fuck. Irony will kill the west as a whole, as nobody is ever really sincere at all and you can't revive the dead. Just check out 4chan, meme subreddits or whatever. People say stupid shit to get attention but then believe that shit whole heartedly. I do the same shit, I'm not better than them. How do we escape the cycle of irony or even just straight up post modernism?


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>How do we escape the cycle of irony or even just straight up post modernism?
you can't, its literally the logic of late capitalism itself. read Jameson


Should we just, like, lmao ironically destroy capitalism and install a workers' state, just for shits and giggles? If we can't do it seriously and sincerely, can we do it as an ironic joke that goes too far?



So what's saying there, is that rather than having ironic distance towards the system, Laibach brings out the underbelly of the dominant ideology, underlining it and exaggerating it, while playing it with a straight face and being fully aware of what they're doing. That's what makes them subversive, in his view. There's another group that does this, too.

Also, irony is when you convey a message that is the opposite of your intention, whether by mistake or by hidden intention. There's also posturing, which is like playing a game of "make believe" to impress while one has hidden intentions.


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>(Note in the notebook of an 11-year-old Jewish boy
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How do leftists justify working with reactionaries? For example:
Carlos the Jackal working with neo nazis, Red and white army attacking china, Lebanese communist fighting alonside syrian nationalists, Mao and Nixon, hell even the recent Italian communists meeting with the SSNP
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The mao nixon shit was retarded real politik, splitting with the Soviets was retarded real politik shit. Both the USSR and China suffered for it.


>Lebanese communist fighting alonside syrian nationalists
Actually they fought against the SSNP. The latter two examples you give are just retarded wrexker shit.


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do you have any proof of that first claim


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yes it was during the 1958 American interference in Lebanon after the communists won


I didn't know that. I was referring to the 75 civil war

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«I am a primitive. In socialism too. I wander around today’s society of businessmen like an exile. … Now that socialism is becoming a business for both individuals and for groups, I do not understand it anymore. I live in a different atmosphere. I am a citizen of another epoch. There was a time in which socialism was not practical, it was not industrial, it was not co-operative, there were no banks; there was a time when socialism meant selflessness, faith, sacrifice and heroism. I speak of 30, 40 years ago. Then there were Socialists who had fallen in love with an ideal; today there are Socialists—a lot of them, even the majority—who have fallen in love with money. Italian Socialism has now become a huge accounting ledger of giving and getting»

—Mussolini, August 11, 1912.
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This romantic tendency in Mussolini's thought is the reason WW1 was able to turn him into a full reactionary. It takes a particularly materialistic outlook to reject all notions of national duty, pride, etc. and correctly observe that your country is led by bankers and plunderers who want to send millions to death for profit.
It's a type of intellectual strength to engage with reality on that level and one that Mussolini clearly never possessed (though I do think the Italian socialist movement suffered from his betrayal; he was a talented writer and speaker).


So basically the only leftist book he read was The Gadfly and he failed to read literally anything by Marx.


>some dumb tortured poet speel
Yeah he was just a narcissist and an opportunist like Hitler, he was never an actual socialist


he supposedly quoted a lot of marxist theorists but i question how well those quotations were
does anyone have a link to any of mussolinis past quotations to marxist thinkers so we can tell if he did it badly


Jesus the savior Christ WTF
the Anglo menace is worse then I thought I didn't think it could be any worse

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