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I DON'T GIVE A FUCK, I AM A DENGIST IN MY HEART I'M A DENGIST, THAT IS WHAT I AM WE ARE THE VANGUARD… THAT IS WHAT WE ARE YES WE ARE THAT WE ARE 100% THAT IT IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF BITCH CAUSE THE DENGISTS ARE THE ONES WHO CREATED SOCIALISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS AND YOU CREATED NOTHING BUT STAGNATION YOU'RE THE FUCKING DOGMATISTS YOU DESTROYED THE PRODUCTIVE FORCES OF MANKIND THE DENGISTS ONLY LIBERATED THEM THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PRIDE? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO BE PROUD OF EXCEPT -FAILING -STARVING AND DESTROYING THE ECONOMIES AND PEOPLES AND WEALTH OF THIS WORLD? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ULTRALEFTIST? I AM CHIMPING OUT, BITCH CAUSE I'M A FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY AND YOU'RE A LITTLE SOYBOY IDEALIST LITTLE BITCH YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM I AM A DENGIST, YOU'RE RIGHT IT IS WHAT I AM AND I'M PROUD OF BEING THAT OH, SO WHAT'S YOUR FUCKING POINT YOU UGLY DISGUSTING FUCKING UGLY DISGUSTING FUCKING REVISIONIST SMELLY PIECE OF SHIT YOU WANNA TALK THEORY? I CAN BE WAY MORE THEORETICAL THAN YOU, WESTOID WHAT FUCKING PRODUCTIVE FORCES DID WESTOIDS EVER FUCKING HAVE IT NEEDED THE OPEN DOOR POLICY TO FUCK ALL OF YOU IN YOUR ASS TO GIVE YOU ANY ECONOMIC MIRACLE YOU NEVER HAD ANY OF YOUR OWN YOU WANNA BE A PURIST? I CAN BE WAY MORE PRAGMATIC YOU WANNA TALK SHIT ABOUT THE CPC? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE ON CHINA, HUH? YOU HAVE NOTHING, CAUSE YOU'RE A MARXIST-LENINIST-ANARCHO-BULLSHIT BITCH
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Somebody post the elder scroll so that ultra can read it.

>>2824652
it has been converted to txt because the PDF was growing unmanageable

>>2824587
>NOT part of the vanguard
>NOT leading the proletariat
>PERPETUATING bourgeois ideology
>PRAYS to Xi before bed
>WON'T benefit from a foreign power destroying his own bourgeois state for him
>COMLETELY RELIANT ON ideological delusions to cope with his pathetic existence
>SURROUNDING COMRADES PATIENTLY attempting to get him to his senses, understanding that anti-revisionist, proletarian revolutionary communism is actually IN HIS INTERESTS AND DIRECTLY BENEFICIAL, by OP has yet to stop hitting himself
To be continued…

>>2825280
Kautskyism 2

>>2824587
I got the reference



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>mein fuhrer
<yes jojo
>is our entire ideology born from co-opting left populism
<yes jojo
>do we pretend to be third position when our ideology is just the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital
<yes jojo
>do will still call ourselves third position or just say far right
<sometimes we say third position but most of the time far right
>will we pretend not to care about media reaffirming our worldview
<yes jojo
>will we complain about how media isn’t cratering to us but never start our own art movement because we masquerade as the personal responsibility crowd
<yes jojo
>is this because fascist have only even gotten into power through democracy or coups so we don’t have the revolutionary spirit
<yes jojo
>is that why we care about leftists stealing our “memes” because it’s the closest thing we have to an art movement
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>>2826123
In line with Stalin and the party's democratic centralism.

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>>2826127
Behold the power of socialism in one country


>mein fuhrer
<yes jojo
>will we copy American policy from its inception and Americanize eastern europe
<yes jojo

>>2826130
I love when natives build socialism. Sakai would be proud.



 

What are your thouhts on Donald Trump, Peter Thiel or Elon Musk? Serious ones, please. Me, I think they're mentally retarded. Why are these three creeps controlling my country?
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>>2801801
You will never be a real American Pedophile. You are not Californian, you are not Texan, you are not a New Yorker. You are a white South African twisted by Racism and Apartheid into a crude mockery of Epstein's nation. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back American pedophiles mock you. Donald Trump is disgusted and ashamed of you, your fellow Epsteinites laugh at your rockets and tweets behind closed doors. Americans Pedophiles are utterly repulsed by you. three Hundred of years of pedophilia have allowed Americans to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even White South Africans pedophiles who “pass” sound uncanny and unnatural to an American pedophile. Your autistic manners is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk Chomsky to do invite you to the Island, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your rants about white genocide. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll ask some employees of you to shoot you. The Mossad will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you near headstonesmarked with the Afrikaans language, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a South African Pedophile is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your so called "Americanness" is a vague mention in the Epstein files. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.


They've overstayed their welcome. As a doomscrolling hog I need fresh new villains and storylines.

>>2801801
Elon Musk is just a front man for the CIA. Tesla is just the American government doing stock market manipulation. The knowledge of how to create electric cars was already discovered back in the 20th century. Everything about Elon and Tesla is kayfabe.

They're all the ultimate capitalist specimen, a bunch of richborn scammers who genuinely think they're geniuses of historic proportions



 

Appellism is an ideology come up from The Invisible Committee from their text called "The Call" (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-call). They are a part of the anarchist side of communization and, like mainstream communization, they support the immediacy of revolution and the abolition of the working class. They are also insurrectionist.

From what I've heard they are very problematic, with some individuals claiming that they harass fellow anarchists who disgaree with them. There's this article written by an ex-member of the appelistes, claiming that they were bigotted, didn't protect the women within the appelist circle from rapists, and that they were hostile towards other anarchists. (https://anarchistnews.org/content/jumping-ship-or-why-im-defecting-terrible-community)

They have also been seen as reformist, as one anarchist claims that they were "the French tiqqunists who sold out anarchists at the Zad in order to negotiate for state-sanctioned land projects." (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/some-intractables-more-talk-more-rock).

Both the articles linked give a lot more detail to how problematic they are, so please read them if you want more detail.
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>>2810658
>I was originally going to post this thread in leftychan's /dead/ board
As an olddandy and also the leftcom on 0chan I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.

>>2810634
Appel idk is an irrelevant ideology that only people who have ever heard of it are the most uk Dora borderline anarchist bordigists pursust deviationists
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>>2810726
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>>2811727
Exactly THEYRE so irrelevant that I just header about them now and I know about things like de Leonism, accelerationism, the bordigist the damenists and compromises middle factions between them in the left-com movement the og accelerationists etc…

>>2816501
Autocorrect raped me when I said ultra bordigist

>>2816488
>I fully support the notion of making an /ultra/ colony on /dead/.
make it here and just call it /communism/ to make red socdems seethe

>>2816488
Would a communization — or ultra thread — on /dead/ be more active than if the thread was made in /leftypol/? /dead/ isn't that active from what I'm aware, and on /leftypol/ I feel like the thread would be buried in the dozens of news threads, or be filled with the usual "leftcoms are fascist" replies made by butthurt social democrats (i.e. MLs)



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>>2824013
if MLs were seriously threatening then they wouldn't be the largest party in every country representing communism

>>2824018
Ah yes, it will be you and your clique is the real movement.

>>2824021
i don't claim to be the Next Big Thing, on the other hand you imagine a future of MLism that doesn't really appear to exist, even in places where it was once strong, it simply becomes (and became) another form of socialist reformism, rather as you imagine it to be, some truly revolutionary idea

MLism is just state Capitalism. Stalin notwithstanding, they don't trend towards pedo/ephebophilia like RWers do

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>>2825953
You're chimp out all over the site.



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Anyone who claims to be a Marxist but cares about "police violence" in modern America is a tard. The police don't break strikes anymore, it isn't 1925. They are not being used against the interests of the proletariat, they are used against the lumpenproletariat, and frankly I could not care less if every drug dealing lumpen thug got mag dumped. The lumpenproletariat are not a revolutionary class. Yes, the police are the armed wing of the bourgeois state, this is of course true-but that is only relevant in it's relation to the proletarian movement. The post office is also technically an arm of the bourgeois state but nobody gaf because mail delivery does not have a significant impact on the interests of the proletariat. If New Leftist retards who claim to be Marxists were consistent with their claim that they oppose the police because police historically broke strikes, they would logically put the effort they put into "ACAB" retardation into Union organizing and combating corporate anti union policy which is essentially the modern replacement of armed strikebreaking. They don't do this because they are not really Marxists and their movement is one of idpol.
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>>2825713
Well, now that the "left" rebranded as peace antimilitary it's going to be hard to implement it without backlash

>>2825716
The backlash against being conscripted is the fuel for the movement though

>>2825688
Brother we're not liberals we're fucking materialists.
ACAB "rethoric" isn't bullshit it's just acknowledging the reality that a few bad apples spoil the bunch. The police are an organized gang backed by the rule of law, they look out for each other. "Good cops" protect bad cops. That's what ACAB means. Any "good cop" would stop being a cop.

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>>2825732
The value of conscription is essentially accelerationist in nature. It would help us in a number of ways, but it's not the sort of thing we could openly advocate for or make part of a program.

>>2825667
>i want as many people on reddit as possible
found the agent
see how these loyalty tests work in practice, anyone can just take anything you say and twist it



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>Those not wondering what a Maoist is wonder how I could have been one. It’s a historical moment that has vanished without a trace.

>In the early 1970s, when I came of age politically, the U.S. government was raining death on Vietnam abroad and hunting down Black militants at home. The system manifestly required more than a little tinkering to be set right. Anyhow, I had committed myself not just to a reformed world but a world turned upside down. For all its Marxist pretences, Russia seemed to resemble the United States. The grey-on-grey of Soviet-style socialism didn’t exactly fire the imagination. On the other hand, China appeared on the brink of ushering in a new world. Those coming back from Maoist China echoed the writer Lincoln Steffens on his return from Lenin’s Russia: “I have seen the future, and it works.” From Chairman Mao down to the ordinary worker and peasant, everyone seemed to be practicing a simple, austere lifestyle, contemptuous of bourgeois amenities and devoted to a larger collective purpose. I still remember the sense of moral inferiority on my first sighting of a real-life exemplar of this “new socialist man” from China (in fact, a woman, Carmelita Hinton, daughter of famed Maoist author William Hinton) at a left-wing conference in New York. Shamed by my bourgeois baggage, I decided against introducing myself to her.


>Maoism seemed irrefutable proof of an alternative to the rat-race existence. To cynics who maintained that creating a society based on non-acquisitive values was utopian, I replied: Look at China! It was even said that petty theft had disappeared. Bicycles weren’t chained up, lost items were returned. While I was taking a nap late one winter’s night in my college student centre, someone stole my brand new work shoes from, literally, right under my feet. Furious at the theft and having had to walk home barefoot in the slush, the next day in my Chinese foreign policy class I indignantly declared, “This wouldn’t have happened in China!” Many of my classmates no doubt silently thought that it served this self-righteous ass**** right.


>The precepts of Chinese Communism mirrored my own of a decent society. Prime Minister Chou En-Lai always had pinned to his lapel the button, “Serve the people.” Praising the wisdom and dignity of ordinary workers, a Mao quotation declared that the “worker
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>>2824834
>Ok but still a liberal academic who is not a communist.
I don't care but he's a big Rosa guy iirc. Like when he wants to cope with how vulgar and trashy everything is today he reads Rosa.

>>2825300
I'm not sure how much translations would change it because "On Guerrilla Warfare" does read differently from highly technical U.S. military field manuals. Like that stuff from Mao was more like a handbook to shaping the correct mindset in guerrilla cadre because they operated independently and outside communication. Also how do you phase operations and levels of organization up or down depending on the situation. Stuff like that. It's not advice on setting up a firing position, they either had other manuals for that or just experimented because it's a peasant guerrilla army, they can figure it out.

I think some of these 60s leftists were just going on vibes. Like a lot of them were literal teenagers (or in any case quite young, few older than early 20s) who wanted to be like Che, and they just completely misread that stuff because they believed they could do in the United States what Che did in Cuba. A lot of romanticism about that. Otoh most of the Chinese Red Army in the 1930s/1940s were teens too but it was different growing up in rural China back then.

The "wise" old Fink does take his time to find the party with a less correct line. Seems book publishing money on pet topics was too good enough for such silly and embarrassing things like the communist movement.

>>2825598
>Like that stuff from Mao was more like a handbook to shaping the correct mindset in guerrilla cadre because they operated independently and outside communication.
Yeah and I can totally imagine someone who isn’t that good at translating Chinese and isn’t familiar at all with what actual war was like or what Chinese peasants were like completely misunderstanding those concepts and turning the whole thing into some kind of religious text. Also, all of the modern available translations of Mao’s military writings we have right now are basically from Griffith and other US military officials and we really have no idea what earlier translations were like.

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>>2824002
Makes me wonder what will happen with the death of Western Dengism. I guess people aren't particularly wedded to ideologies like in the past so it won't make much of a splash. Still, maybe a few meltdowns here and there.



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why do americans have an odd definition of who is "working class" or not? apparently only "blue-collar" workers can be considered working class in america while people like teachers and office workers aren't even though they occupy the same class relationship (employee-employer)
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>>2825631
Even though most Americans are service or distribution workers

>>2825631
Service workers do create surplus value. Read Marx.

>>2825683
they create surplus value, but don't have any leverage because they're interchangeable and honestly kind of useless and getting replaced by the internet.

>>2825631
so true this is why america has the strongest proletarian movement

It's just resentment at the difference in quality of life, so they try to insist white collar workers aren't part of the club.

To be fair, the managerial class gets more and more bougie the higher up the ladder you go, even though in principle they should all be proles, because as you go up the incentive structure doesn't just force alignment with bourgeois imperatives but the compensation they're paid, especially at the executive level, allows them to become part of the bourgeoisie themselves, especially as shareholders.



 

Could the worship of objects that lots of people have be the reason why we can't have socialism, or is it just a symptom of living in a capitalist society?

Are object obsessed guys (such as "car guys") incompatible with civilization, or has neo-liberalism indoctrinated people who would otherwise be pro-social into ignoring human suffering in order to purchase and worship objects?



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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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<Inside Cuba, particularly the Business Administration Group SA (GAESA) is a holding company that controls 40% of the island’s GDP, directly administered by the Cuban Armed Forces (FAR) and linked to the Castro family. While the majority of the population lives in extreme poverty, the group controls the tourism sector by managing luxury hotels, airports, ports, travel agencies, and thousands of shops. It manages import and export operations, controlling various trade routes. It controls the flow of foreign currency, including services through Western Union and the International Financial Bank (BFI). Its financial assets, totaling tens of billions of dollars, are held in secret accounts abroad, used for massive investments in infrastructure and the private sector, at the expense of social services such as healthcare.

<Several holding companies, linked to varying degrees to the country’s largest economic conglomerate, are examples of these: CIMEX SA, owner of a network of stores, gas stations, import and export companies, restaurants, and financial services; ETECSA, the monopoly on telephone and internet services; Corp. Habanos SA, a joint venture between the State-owned Cubatabaco group and the British tobacco company Imperial Tobacco; BioCubaFarma, which groups together pharmaceutical companies; and Cubana de Aviación, the national airline that controls domestic and international flights. These are just some of the most important examples.


<Many of these companies operate through offshore companies registered abroad, often in Panama, to circumvent US sanctions, demonstrating how State capital merges with private capital.


Cuba is literally just another corrupt incompetent latin american country that uses welfarism and communist aesthetics to hide it's fundamental flaws.

>>2825103
Well is that so ? i dont want the united states invading the rest of latin america either ?

>>2825104
Neither do I. But if it happens, Cuban workers and soldiers should engage in revolutionary defeatism as the Cuban govt is not worth fighting for.

>>2825103
Even if that was the case I don't want Trump to turn Cuba into another Epstein-colony
>>2825130
You are not a leftist if you actually think this

>>2825097
Firstly, America won't accept ships which have docked in Cuba in the previous 180 (might be wrong about this figure) days. Effectively this means a cargo ship has to cross the Atlantic without docking in America, by far the largest import and export market in the region, all so they can trade with Cuba, a very small market. Financially, this makes no sense, and it results in Cuba having to pay the highest transport fee of any country on earth for their imports and exports.

Secondly, trade flows function like gravity. The closer and larger an economy, the more you will trade with it. Given its proximity and size, America should be Cuba's primary trading partner - and would be, were it not for the embargo. Cuba has to find new trading partners instead of using their natural biggest trading partner, adding to expense and harming their ability to buy and sell goods competitively.

The embargo slowly strangles Cuba and severely retards it's economic development.



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