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Heads up: I’m Italian, and as such I’m genuinely fascinated by how often American leftists have an utopian view of Europe, supposedly for its egalitarian and “socialist” policies, which actually runs counter to my experience. They might as well be the EU’s strongest soldier, believing in the EU more than the average European.
Granted, I never lived in the part of “Europe“ people talk about when using the term (which usually refers to just north-west Europe), but I do think Americans’ perception of what modern European countries (particularly those west of the Berlin Wall) are very distorted. For the sake of argument, I’ll be focusing on the EU.

For starters, both world wars and the instability of the European spring of 1848 has led to a lack of development of negative rights as well as the notion to more democracy = censorship, which is why censorship is more normalised in Europe than in America which has the first amendment. The biggest example would be the ECHR’s article 10 which makes it clear that freedom of speech isn’t absolute, which is a good example of how illiberal tendencies can exist in a seemingly “liberal” land. On the top of that, inequality is high in Europe, especially in terms of the holding power of the former aristocratic classes on European politic. As an example, Britain still has appointed lords even though the nobles’ powers have diminished a long ago, and by the time the French Revolution ended most of the aristocrats assimilated themselves into France’s political machine, whilst in Scandinavia wealth inequality is high.

As for racism, I would say that Europe is worst based on both data and personal experience. Remember Shiloh Hendrix? Well, if she did the same thing she did but in any European country, no one would bat an eye. Remember, hate speech laws are just lawfare, they’re not about “protecting minorities“ as its supporters claim. But it’s not just the micro level since hiring discrimination and lack of access to meaningful resources means many immigrants that weren’t wealthy on arrival (e.g., expats) are stuck on welfare and meagre wage or none. This in contrast to America where immigrants are treated better socially in spite of the lack of fringe benefits like universal healthcare.

I mean, Denmark is robbing refugees as a deterrent policy, France is suppressing Islamic religiosity while letting tradCaths scot-free (at least from an outsiders’ POV) to enforce its concept of state secularism (Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2775129
Ah, good ol’ fashioned French misogyny. For the Frenchman, a woman is both an equal in the realms of law and fraternite on the top of being a dolled-up whore for which he has no use for other than to cater to the fantasies of Frenchmen and their diverse perversions ooh la la.

Then again, France is the very epitome of bourgeois to the eyes of strangers, although it has some foundations as the country is full of semi-sophisticated reactionary hicks ruled over by a more technocratic elite whose aristocracy was already integrated within the post-ancien regime republican government after the failure of the Paris commune.

As one wise frog said: “The French may speak for the left, but their money lies on the right”

Indeed, whether it’s Foucault, Macron, Melenchon, and whatnot, they start with different ideologies only to end up at their system’s most conservative conclusions.
So it is to no one’s surprise that, despite the liberalism of the bourgeois French Revolution, not only do French employers treat their employees in the old aristocratic ways that even republicucks would see as abysmal, but its biggest protests ever prior to the yellow vests were the 2015 protests against gay marriage.

If it wasn’t for Roe v Wade getting repealed by the dreaded MAGAproles, then I doubt the French extremist republican government that has taken the Catholic church’s place as the arbiter of all truth in the eyes of the French people would have encoded abortion rights into its constitution.

In all seriousness tho, I often hear France as this libertine and sexually liberal enlightened atheist place, but not only were French politicians prudish about Femen (unlike Putin who gave a thumbs up when he saw a pair of Femen titties) but apparently France has adopted the dumb “Nordic model” on prostitution on the top of putting age ID on porn sites. Is it because of MeToo or something?

Because Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, and Denmark have very liberal laws on prostitution and brothels despite being generally atheistic and feminist. So why did France diverge? Any Euro-comrade gringo care to enlighten me on this weird discrepancy?

>>2775311
they even executed joan of arc for wearing pants lol

>>2775311

Funny that you speak of “French misogyny” since it seems that France has apparently made it its mission to turn every French female citizen into a whore by the age of 15 (France’s age of consent), even tho prostitution is de facto banned (no sexual welfare for you, well-to-do inkwells, tee hee).

But to be fair, there is some basis in history:

  • French women only gained suffrage in 1948
  • French wives couldn’t open their own bank accounts without their husband’s permission until the 1960s
  • Marital rape wasn’t criminalised until 1994

And as an anecdote: I was part of a remote meeting with cameras on, and three of them were Frenchmen and one a Frenchwoman, out of a total group of 7 that included me. Anyway, as one of the French men was speaking, the French woman unintentionally interrupted him, and he alongside the other French men responded in a disproportionate manner: They angrily shouted and berated her until she was reduced to sobbing heart-throbbingly over her mic, with the man resuming the talk.

Makes me wonder if it’s one of those aristocratic habits from the ancien regime or not, but regardless that was the first taste of France’s unspoken “traditions”, although I’m not sure how common it is in French culture, especially in the workplace, eh.

>>2773462
The EU deviates towards social democracy and the USA deviates more towards anarchism. The main difference being that social democrats have achieved far more token reforms which never really changed anything. So on the surface level, it appears like the EU has achieved far more progress than the largely ineffectual anarchist deviation of the USA.

>>2775439
I agree as long as the small "a" anarchism is on purpose. Americans are too sniveling towards authority figure to trend towards capital "A" Anarchism.



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if you were still wondering



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Where does /leftypol/ stand on Bastani? This future seems incrasingly within grasp, all that's needed is nationalization of compute, energy and robotics research
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>>2774747
As a matter of fact, the exact opposite is the case. Marx's idea is that the working class must break up, smash the "ready-made state machinery", and not confine itself merely to laying hold of it.

>>2774753
This misconception is a very easy filter for people who didn't read or understand the Gotha Critique

>>2774753
Well good thing I didn't contradict that

Unless you mean that Marx never rnvisioned building a proletarian state after smashing the "ready made" state machinery, in which case you watched too much cuck philosophy videos

its really gay when you refer to an absolute nobody as a mononymic Lastname as if they were Einstein or Gandhi in an attempt to have him taken more seriously. many "people" here guilty of this



 

>Iran's "workable basis" 10 point plan "literally thrown in the garbage" edition

>Trump threatened to eradicate Iranian civilization

>TACO Tuesday as predicted
>Pretended that Iran's 10 point proposal was being seriously considered last night.
>Today said that he threw it in the garbage and was insulted by it.
>Supposedly there is some ceasefire ongoing but the US is the only one pausing strikes (for now)

Place your bets for how soon the US will start bombing Iran again.
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>>2774182
The US is already talking about canceling talks.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5822016-trump-iran-peace-talks/
Peace Through Strength: Operation Epic Fury Crushes Iranian Threat as Ceasefire Takes Hold

>President Donald J. Trump laid out clear objectives in Operation Epic Fury — and in just 38 days, the greatest fighting force the world has ever known has met those objectives with overwhelming strength and lethal precision. Iran has now agreed to a ceasefire and reopening the Strait of Hormuz as the Trump Administration negotiates a broader peace agreement — once more proving Peace Through Strength victorious.


<Secretary of War Pete Hegseth: “From the strike that took out Qasem Soleimani to tearing up the disastrous Obama Iran deal, to the precision campaign that obliterated Iran’s nuclear sites in Operation Midnight Hammer to the decisive military victory we just achieved in Operation Epic Fury, no other President has shown the courage and resolve of this Commander-in-Chief. President Trump forged this moment. Iran begged for this ceasefire — and we all know it.”

<Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Dan Caine: “On February 28, the President of the United States ordered the Joint Force to execute Operation Epic Fury with the direction to accomplish three distinct military objectives: destroy Iran’s ballistic missile and drone capabilities, destroy the Iranian navy, and destroy their defense industrial base to ensure that Iran cannot reconstitute the ability to project power outside their borders. Over the course of 38 days of major combat operation, the joint force achieved the military objectives as defined by the President.”
<White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt: “This is a victory for the United States of America that the President and our incredible military made happen. From the very beginning of Operation Epic Fury, President Trump stated this would be a four-to-six-weePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2774168
we can use this one as a containment thread for jakspammers and bordigists

>>2774207
No that's the other one. The children's cartoons in the OP naturally attract the furry porn enthusiasts and jak spammers.

>>2774123
Give the source you crazy bastrd. Praise be to allah



 

Because I just ordered us a large pizza!

Also

Politics
Narrator (N):
Outside the Hall of Justice…
(Scene changes to a giant hole in the ground, with a rusted car and trashcans behind it, and a factory and polluted skyline in the background behind a chain link fence.)
N:
… is this Hole…
SG:
(rides by on a garden tractor) Hey Snakefish! My man! (Snakefish stands up, along with someone in a turban, who ducks down again. Space Ghost's tractor goes off screen and stops)
N:
… of Justice.
SG:
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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<KAFKA TRAP EDITION


>Containment thread for Americans to get sensitive and defensive when called out.


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>>2769095
>but what's more likely is that he chickened out and he's been spending the next several days crafting a masterful excuse that somehow ends with him blaming us and The Western Left for his failure
lol

>>2769634
why did you make a spectacle of yourself and the pants shitting woman? foolish!

>>2769648
>t. guy who watches edgelord movies with cautionary antiheroes and says "LITERALLY ME" every time

>>2769705
it's harder to do busification here because civilians are way more likely to have a gun when you try to ambush and busify them

>>2769748
JDPON Don



 

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CEASEFIRE EDITION
iRANians betrayed the international proletariat and will allow AmeriKKKan unipolarity world order to remain unchanged as long as it doesn't threat the profits of Iranian oil companies and the """"people's"""" reCUCKblic of Ch¥na
Latest TRVKES:
>iRANian porkies WON
>Gulf Porkies WON
>Ch¥nese Porkies WON
<The international proletariat LOST
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Wait, so there's no ceasefire now?

>>2774110
With Israel? Never was.

I can bake if you want

>>2774100
>the Muslim Israel
Actually, that's called "Somaliland".

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Why did Birobidzhan fail?
It was created as as Jewish Oblast to protect Jewish Russians from pogroms and received thousands of refugees during the Great Patriotic War while Churchill and FDR turned away boatload of refugees from Nazi terror.

Now, there's less than 1000 Jews there. What happened? I get that it doesn't have a Mediterranean weather, but also you can live there without stealing someone else's house.
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>>2771174
>That would be far more accurate, but such a civilization never had any basis to lay claim to East Prussia
That Pan-Slav anon doesn't want to hear this but Russian Civilization isn't even Slav civilization. It is something unique formed by the Eurasian Steppes. It is alien to the likes of Czechs,Poles,Slovenians,etc and makes it easy to differentiate from it

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>>2771174
>It was precisely the opposite, the Slavs were absorbed into the orbit of the Romans because more sophisticated, settled, literate, and urbaized cultures always absorb less sophisticated ones.
The Manchu speak Mandarin, sure, but the Bulgarians speak a Slavic language now, not a Thracian langauge. So obviously these are not the same situation.
>Their language, way of life, and religion would have been totally unrecognizable to the original Slavic tribes that migrated across Eastern Europe nearly 1000 years earlier.
But they were still of the same civilizational lineage, just as modern China has a language unintelligible with the Chinese spoken during the Shang Dynasty, and Oracle bone is unreadable for those only taught modern characters, and their current society is far evolved from the ancient economic basis. But they still share the civilizational essence they had. The Shang Dynasty is uncontroversially a "Chinese" dynasty, and we understand "Chinese" as being of the Chinese civilization.
>Then why was it not given to the Lithuanian or Latvian SSR?
Why would it be given to Latvia? It wasn't given to Lithuania because they refused it. And it was primarily populated with East Slavs because they were understandably seen as more trustworthy to safeguard the restored territory. Just think, if Lithuanians populated it, it would be a bulwark of NATO now. Seems that they were correct in understanding that the Russians were the most trustworthy in upholding the Russian civilization.
>You haven't even been able to define what a "civilization" is.
Do I also need to define what a state is? Any genuine Marxist analysis in the modern day accepts civilizations as materially existing.
>The Balts really seem to disagree pretty hard about that.
Sure, the reactionaries who love Jonas Noreika disagree. They want their country to be an outpost of German imperialism into Russian lands, as the "independent" Baltic states were before WWII, the collaborator Reichskommissariats were during WWII, and the modern republics have been since the dissolution of the USSR. But any progressive movement in the Baltic will necessarily have to embrace its Russian history.
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If israel ceased to exist putin could possibly revive it considering a lot of Russian jews are israeli

>>2773750
>revive it
The Jewish Autonomous Oblast still technically exists, there's just hardly any Jewish people there

>>2773065
This is irrelevant to Russia being Slavic Civilization and that there is a unified Slavic civilization when that never happened and are pretty much three seperate groups



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Why are so many communists opposed to state's rights to national self-administration? Isn't it the job of the local working class to sort out their own contradictions? This just seems like rainbow imperialism. I think an orthodox ML approach would recognize the conversion of many red states to internal colonies and their right to secession. Does not the brain drain of workers from red/rural states to blue/urban states mirror migrant labor from the imperial periphery? In the town-country contradiction, we should support the country.
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>>2773629
I'm a literal crypto anarchist in use le'crypto market to delegiimize banking systems and currency as a whole

Anyway, the point should be to undermine authority any chance you get. If you can use local courts to supersede a higher court ruling to weaken the hegemony or at least self benefit, do it.

Like really it all comes down too does this benefit me or hurt people I don't like. What else is there too life?

Because nationalism is bourgeois

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>>2773647
Petition to give Miraculous christian anarchism flag

>>2772400
Lenin did exactly that. After the revolution, he allowed any states conquered by the Tsarist "prisonhouse of nations" to secede.

>>2773727
Rare lenin L. Was a concession to nationalism, reified national identities in government structures

China did a much better job



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The government doesn't even try to stage a false flag for justification anymore. They just start a war and look at you like this.
But seriously, what made them not even bother to pull another 9/11 for this? The Iran was is insanely unpopular as it stands. Any attack on US soil now would be too suspicious
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>>2735377
This. In fact they adore bourgeois. You ever checked some normie movie section especially about cop shows and casinos or something? I saw one guy who was like "I was kicked out of a casino and black listed for counting cards and I don't even know how" and I responded "sounds like they need a few mass shootings and bomb threats to humble them" and he got defensive with me. uyghur I didn't black list or throw you out lol.

They're fucking cucks and worthless human beings. This is why their children get eaten. I fucking hate the American golem with every fiber of my being. Notice that shit doesn't happen too me because I would in fact call that casino and be like "yes I'm reporting a bomb threat…no no, I mean I'm the one threatening you stupid" lol.

Fucking ridiculous. And they only put up with it because their stupid lizard brains see them as more important because of an abstract concept of social class. Because money comes and goes, and I don't care who the fuck you are, if you do me dirty I'm gonna molest your kids or something. I don't care how psychotic it sounds, don't fuck me over and we won't have a problem. It's not rocket science.

But these people aren't selfish, they're anything but. They're forever giving their blood over to absolute ticks and mosquitos and it's just really fucking weird.

Pic related was right about everything. Probably the smartest liberal to ever exist.

>>2735367
>>2737024
The real answer is that western hegemony is losing its grip and getting desperate

The next "9/¹1" will be the gutting of their sacrificial chicken israel,when suddenly america will have a "revolution" and "based populists" will "get rid of zog", pulling the demoralized americans back in line

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>>2773656
It'll only work on the people it was already working on
Wouldn't work on my homies cause they're just incels. Like unless this reformed imperialist structure is making them lots of money or having twelve year old girls sit on their face, they're still saying death to America just because they can and I agree. At that even bribery wouldn't work. I will forever be mad about how noone did anything to moderators

>>2773667
Man Trump not in a suit and no MAGA cap is weird looking.

>>2735388
There's groups like WAMM and CodePink that harrass politicians etc



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