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 No.401001[Reply]

Do marxists have something to say against this field that is so heavily dominated by the analytic school and their methodology? Is the scientifc methody as it is right now, faulty or not? Is the verifaction principle truly the non-plus ultra of scientific praxis? Then how is physics called a science when it is based on abstract models, while psychology is constantly criticized for not being up to par with scientific standards?
Pic somewhat related since he wrote "Materialism and empirio-criticism"
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 No.401060

>>401047
Not really my wheelhouse here but looking at it from a distance way over in the humanities department, I fear there is a lot of overlap between le epic chungus Redditor infographics telling people conservative social views are a mental illness and what the research that is actually getting published.

The social sciences are a joke. They are 100% ideology at this point.
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 No.401076

>>401060
>Not really my wheelhouse here but looking at it from a distance way over in the humanities department
Depends. If you are studying philosophy, then maybe this thread is your wheelhouse
>The social sciences are a joke. They are 100% ideology at this point
I saw some anon the other day, that stated, the reason for the replication crisis in the social sciences is because of poor funding and not because the social sciences are built on inherently unfertile ground
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 No.402881

Tbh, the actual undergrad philosophy of science classes can be pretty decent, even in the broadly analytic school.

A lot of controversies and problems are usually exposed if the university program is good. Hume and the problem of induction, problems in running regressions, time or location dependent definitions, tge issue of world of discourse and paradigms, etc.

The problem exists more outside of philosophy in that the physical & social sciences that often have a very crude positivist philosophical outlook.
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 No.402884

>>402881
>The problem exists more outside of philosophy in that the physical & social sciences that often have a very crude positivist philosophical outlook
Is that true though? I thought that logical positivism has been discredited all through academia
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 No.402891

>>402884

How to describe it… Its like it lingers on in a zombie like state. The views sort of held spontaneously even though it is pretty much reject by most schools of philosophical thought in one respect or another.


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 No.396641[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Russia today is much weaker than the Romanov Empire, which existed from 1613 to 1917, or the Soviet Union. Russia's biggest problem is Internal: this huge Eurasian country could not create a national identity that would cover its entire population. Millions of Russian citizens are doubtfully loyal to their state, and as soon as Moscow loosens its tight control over local elections, which is likely to happen only when Putin is no longer president, these groups will seek independence. Separatism is a time bomb, which Putin is so afraid of, will explode in 10, 20 years.

Why? Here are the three main reasons:

First, and most importantly, the separatist impulses inside Russia are strong. As two examples, let's take Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, two ethnic autonomous republics in the center of Russia. There are strong nationalist organizations in these republics-Azatlyk (Union of Tatar Youth) and Bashkir Kuk Bure (Heavenly Wolf)-which call for unity with other Turkic-speaking and Finno-Ugric peoples of the region. Both still keep the memory of the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, which occurred in 1552 and led to the fact that for five hundred years there has been a sense of loss in both republics. As we saw during the Russian-Chechen wars of the 1990s and early 2000s, in which tens of thousands of people died, separatist movements in Russia can be bloody and prolonged. These may not be only ethnic minorities: ethnic Russians living in Siberia, the Urals and the Far East, rich in natural resources, have tried several times to achieve independence, and the Kremlin's predatory policy in these regions contributes to this in every possible way.

Under Putin's successor, the country's tense unity may finally give way to these separatist plans. One can only guess who will be the next ruler, but it is likely that Putin will personally choose him or her at the very end of his term of office, and it is unclear whether this successor will be able to continue the strong grip that Putin held on various groups and regions. And, in the absence of a system of checks and balances or any other strong institutions in Russia, this level of control may simply be necessary to ensure the existence of the country as a whole. So Vyacheslav Volodin, deputy head of the Kremlin administration, can see how his famous words come true: "If there is Putin, there is Russia; if there is no Putin , there is no Russia."

Secondly, the unifying ideology of RusPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.398798

>>398006
one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability

also
>According to the Wiki
wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial, you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts. That it is on wikipedia just show how not hidden that shit is.


>>398156
good post. Reminder to shit on both the retards uncritically supporting of any political force in feud with the US, and the libs using shit argument to justify imperialism and US dominance
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 No.398966

>>398798
>one of the group receiving weapons was al nosra, aka al qaeda in syria
I cannot find any sources saying that the US armed them directly. Rather, the information I have gathered suggests that the US gave arms to other groups, with those arms, by various means, ending up in Al-Nusra hands later on. Can you provide me any sources that say the US directly armed Al-Nusra and/or wanted its arms to end up in their hands?
>basically all the anti assad groups were jihadists, the other groups were barely existing fiction propped up by intelligence service to make it seem like they weren't straight up arming islamists, but thats what they were objectively doing. Basically plausible deniability
What evidence do you have that this is the case?
>wikipedia is a pile of garbage for anything controversial
Provide a better source then
>you still cant point out how the chemical attacks were obvious false flag and the cover up of it by OIAC direction against the wish of the analysts.
I wasn't talking about those attacks, and I honestly am not knowledgeable enough about the subject to say if they were done by Assad or not

Just to be clear, I am not trying to justify US intervention in the region. Regardless of who they are supporting, it would be best to leave Syria to its own devices. Let the different factions slug it out without outside interference.
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 No.399521

Россия может умереть, но СССР будет жить.
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 No.399610

>>397984
>>398134
Бургеры опять манямир развели, что поделать.

>>398156
The correct take.
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 No.402806

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>>396641
>Russia is coming to an end
Holy based this epic must happen again.


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 No.369730[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

So what's /leftypol/ consesus on Moscow Trials? Was it a farce? Or were they actually guilty? Was there a trotsko-fascist conspiracy? Are all the testimonies fake?
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 No.401373

>>401183
>https://istmat.info/node/22301
<Между тем Вам хорошо известно, что в мусават[ист]скую разведку я был послан партией и что вопрос этот разбирался в ЦК АКП(б) в 1920 году в присутствии Вас, т. Стасовой, Каминского, Мирза Давуд Гусейнова, Нариманова, Саркиса, Рухулла Ахундова, Буниатзаде и друг. (В 1925 г. я передал Вам официальную выписку о решении ЦК АКП(б) по этому вопросу, которым я был совершенно реабилитирован, т. к. факт моей работы в контрразведке с ведома партии был подтвержден заявлениями тт. Мирза Давуд Гусейнова, Касум Измайлова и др.) Тов. Датико, который передаст Вам это письмо, расскажет подробности.

>https://istmat.info/node/22146

<В 1920 году в адрес бывшего в то время секретаря ЦК КП(б) Азербайджана Каминского поступило заявление о моем сотрудничестве в контрразведке в пользу мусаватистов. Это заявление было предметом специального разбора на Президиуме ЦК АКП(б), и я был реабилитирован.
<По совету Гуссейнова я подал заявление начальнику контрразведки об увольнении с работы и был уволен беспрепятственно. Истинной причиной моего ухода из контрразведки являлось то, что эта контрразведка стала полностью муса-ватистской.

Do you even read the stuff that you post? You do you just hope that everybody here is as much of an illiterate brainlet as you and will just take you at your word? He was there literally at the behest of the party Hummet (which later became part of the soviet government) and left after it became fully musavatist.

>ignored the fact that there were the already mentioned "July days" and that the bolsheviks were never hiding that they want to overthrow the provisional government.

I already said that it is a completely different thing. Warning the enemy of the imminent military uprising is a betrayal, clear and simple.

Again i will ask you, if it wasn't a betrayal why were they removed from CC after that? Why was Lenin angry with them if it was an allright thing to do? You tried to deflect this question because you have no answer.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.402767

>>398757
Because liberals can't stop crying and Stalin is making them asshurt yet again because they have the legal and political understanding of the trials of amoebas.

>>383476
It was a formal event of the Germans abiding by the updated treaty of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and handing over areas that were agreed upon as belonging under Soviet influence. They marched out and the USSR marched in.
A formality of diplomatic agreement for the sake of PR, nothing more.
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 No.402773

>>383457
The Soviet delegation with the Nazi delegation is seeing off the German forces and LATER the incoming Soviet forces, this is neither a parade nor is it a united action, but a formal diplomatic posturing of the area being passed from German hands to Soviet hands.
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 No.402778

>>382524
>1.7 million deserters
Where the hell did you get that number? The collective collaborationist military forces under German service didn't even reach half a million
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 No.402786



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 No.401355[Reply]

Not a Burger, but why some people on this board support these clowns?
To me they just seem a bunch of schizos who have some scientology tier views.
What can these people give to a revolution? What good would be for a prole to join these kind of cults?
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 No.402191

>>401355
>>401355
>not burger
>rationalizes like one
<implying is religion, not capital interests, what holds a nation to how to behave and how to de-evolve in the history.
OP positive for cancerous spooked westernoid libtard.
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 No.402623

>>402191
What the fuck is this post?
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 No.402665

Basically is some retard reactionary shirt, that some black people in America support therefore it's based because otherwise we are rassyssst.
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 No.402680

>>401355
I'm not really a fan of them but I don't see them as much of a threat either.
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 No.402684

>>402680
Because they are small and meaningless


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 No.402172[Reply]

was there ever a point when imperialism was a force for good ? was it the best way to bring the different peoples of the world to the modern age ? if yes then at what point did it go bad ?

pic semi related: its a japanese portrayal of commodore perry's ships
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 No.402175

>>402172
It was a progressive force, like capitalism, not a force for good, but inevitable.
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 No.402322

>>402172
Every form of capitalism becomes pointless at the precise moment that socialism becomes possible in the society.
I think all thoughtful communists have to concede that the advancement of capitalism through imperialism was good in the sense that it indisputably allowed for the construction of socialism whatsoever, and possibly even accelerated it.
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 No.402589

>>402175
I wouldn't say imperialism was inevitable. If we look at the French Revolution, the French revolutionary was still able to curb stomp the feudal armies just with industrialization and mass mobilization and if the Hébertists (that was most revolutionary wing that wanted to drown class division in blood and a dictatorship of the urban working class) was able to spread the revolution like they wanted to then then the French Revolution stopped capitalism before it got that far.
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 No.402625

>>402172
Like what Indonesians did in 1928 imperialism can also boost self-determination.
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 No.402636

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Lol no. The earths untapped natural resources coupled with the amount of unused land found all over the planet would make imperialism economically inefficient and an easy way to make enemies quickly, if a country becomes imperialistic that represents a problem with the inefficiencies of the system that country operates under along with a decay in technological growth


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 No.400420[Reply]

What it says on the tin. What do you think about Christian/Muslim/whatever communists? Should they be trusted to work along with leftists or are they reactionaries in comrade's clothing?
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 No.402419

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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
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 No.402520

>>402325
your cope is noted
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 No.402541

>>401468
Former soviet communists are majority orthodox Christian, African communists in former British colonies are almost exclusively protestant/evangelical, Indian communists are largely Hindu but disproportionately Muslim & Christian, while Arab communists are disproportionately Christian. Filipino & Latin American Communists tend to be Catholic as well, with parties usually operating largely Catholic mass orgs.

I'm talking about the base, ie average prole/peasant who is a communist party cadre or mass org supporter, not necessarily leadership except in the case of Africa where it seems the leadership of most communists parties are evangelical preachers & pastors.

Yes, DPRK practices state atheism, most people are at least moderately spiritual though ie belief in spirits, ghosts and superstition is normal particularly in rural areas and while people in China are nominally atheist most are also deeply spiritual, usual believe in the concept of an afterlife, spiritual entities, "good/evil" in a mystical sense, etc, although not in an organized religious way.
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 No.402564

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Communists shouldn't bully or harass religious people, even Lenin said that persecuting people because they were religious was very retarded.

The church was used in the past to convice people that being exploited in this world was worth it because you could always go to the afterlife, in a communist society where people are free from exploitation religion is a personal matter just like sexuality or your choice on pizza.

Religion is more likely to be reactionary because society itself is supposed to be reactionary, everyone should be free to believe in some jew in the sky if they want to, as long as that belief is not used to exploit people.
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 No.402579

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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
picrel
>>401455
>Marxism is not about eradicating religion. It is not about destroying tradition and culture. It is about doing away with the economic circumstances which make people prefer to hide away from reality in religion.
this
>>401493
>the world's most Christian nation
again, largest population = largest number of Christians. What are the percentages?


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 No.396020[Reply]

The most radical change possible to the world power structure and the path it is taking who would you choose to be removed?

Alot of people can be replaced by next man up but some out there are very valuable with their knowledge and connections.
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 No.400681

>>400616
>>400648
So are you gonna tell me the contradiction or are you just gonna pretend you read all three volumes of capital?
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 No.400761

>>396020
1. Trump (worse than hitler)
2. hitler
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 No.400917

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>>396020
Initially I'd be overwhelmed by the responsibility and frantically seek to educate myself before deciding. I'd come to appreciate the strange imposition that now demands I dedicate my life to it.
Every waking moment must be dedicated to the crushing task of preparing for that final decision. A decision that I'd never get to enjoy or suffer because… The universe has imposed upon me a task so much bigger than myself that every moment it's not attended is a moment squandered. Therefore I must live every moment in dedication to the task and preservation of myself lest I die before formulating an answer.

I'd wonder if it even matters for my timeline. How would I know it came into effect? Would I, after a life of study I'd be left wondering if it wasn't all a delusion?

Then, I'd be consumed by the possibility of inadvertently erasing myself from history or altering my development so badly that the person I am changes completely. Would I, the new me, then make a different decision further altering history for the next loop? Surely the only way to prevent recursion is that whatever decision is made, erases myself from the future.

Why would I be chosen for this? It makes no sense! Is my suffering the point!?

Ultimately, a few years in , on a clear night I'd forgo my confinement and find a place to watch the skies. I'd stare the universe in it's cold blazing eyes and choose my own two parents.

Fuck your task! Fuck your game! And fuck you rules!

I CHOOSE OBLIVION
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 No.402557

>>400584
>They never seemed to notice this and neither have most marxists.
Are you joking? This was one of the key debates between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks and is also the entire basis of Trotsky's Permanent Revolution theory. This was unironically one of the most important and substantive debates of 20th century Marxism.
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 No.402571

>>402557
In fact, the Politburo's insistence on "two-stage" revolutionary theory, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary (including in their own fucking home country) was Trotsky's second biggest criticism of Stalin, after Socialism in One Country. I'm genuinely baffled that you think this is something that doesn't come up in Marxist circles; Marxists of a million different tendencies have made this observation and their conclusions have ranged from "The October Revolution was a bourgeois revolution from the start" (leftcoms) to "Marx was wrong about the peasants altogether and an industrial working class is not required for communist revolution" (Maoists).


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 No.401139[Reply]

It seems like Marxism-Leninism is being popular and successful in many parties that are not explicitly communist. Yes, the Communist Party of China exists, but look at other countries. MAS in Bolivia, Free Peru in Peru, the Socialist Party of South Africa….All of these seem to be Marxist-Leninists that name their parties either socialist or some other populist concoction of a name. Is there an advantage to doing this? Should this be the path for the US? I remember a debate between two MLs recently and it was over whether to forge ahead in the CPUSA or to run in the People's Party. It seems like the winning model might vary between countries, but
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 No.402109

>>402030
Retard lumpen who only will archieve been thrown to jail.
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 No.402163

Yeah honestly tell me when Free Peru's program has been started to be implemented.
I've gotten very cynical about shit like this.
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 No.402292

>>402163
Expect Correa results. Since the party doesn't have a majority in parlament and has the Fujimori's constitution bag.
The spirit is there, but there is so much one can do.
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 No.402303

Frankly, there is so much one party can do without having all the power (in practice).
If not check what the communist party of Moldova did when it was elected.
Or the Nepalese are doing
Or the Kerala communists
I could count the Crypus communists but they are eurocommunists so they frankly don't count.
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 No.402566

>>401139
>MAS in Bolivia, Free Peru in Peru, the Socialist Party of South Africa….All of these seem to be Marxist-Leninists that name their parties either socialist or some other populist concoction of a name. Is there an advantage to doing this?
I don't think MAS calls itself Leninist, Free Peru calls itself Leninist but they seem to be socdem/demsoc in practice, and I don't know anything about that South African Socialist Party. I don't consider any party to be a "true" Marxist-Leninist party if they take power through electoralism instead of revolution. Not that I think that's necessarily a bad thing, but I don't think we should be slapping a "Marxist-Leninist" label on everything either.
>Should this be the path for the US? I remember a debate between two MLs recently and it was over whether to forge ahead in the CPUSA or to run in the People's Party.
Third parties have been a dead end in the United States for decades. My thought would be to create a "pseudo-party" that acts like an independent party but runs candidates as Democrats to get elected. Kind of like DSA but with greater means of holding elected members accountable.


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 No.402370[Reply]

What are chinese african relations like? I'm asking this because Africans are kind of chinas only allies outside of russia
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 No.402443

>>402437
Elaborate I want you to share some links
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 No.402448

>>402412
I don't mean this as a condemnation, just that they prefer western foreigners if any at all. And its not surprising that they have some level of segregation within the Han population, which is nearly a billion people. After all, most Euro's are pretty much the same, only separated by languages and culture.
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 No.402453

>>402448
Why do they segregate themselves between han and nonhan chinese citizens?
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 No.402467

>>402453
I mean within the Han's themselves. They're a large group of people, so it makes sense that there's a level of culture bias depending on where you're from. Segregation was to strong of a word, my bad.
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 No.402559

>>402467
Shanghai people are all cucks. They fear the Big Dongbei Dong.


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 No.401545[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This was the first gay pride parade I have witnessed in person (I didn't participate, but I've watched them march for 40 minutes before me), and I would like to share with you my overall analysis.

In terms of participation this was a historical record, since the Fidesz government recently passed a law that bars "homosexual/pedo" education or videos, etc. to be thought (in schools) or broadcast (on TV, radio) "targeted" at those under 18. (Obviously the government's ulterior motive is to paint gays as pedos and vica versa, while using this as their nth fake anti-EU crusade.)

Having witnessed the parade and reading every flag and sign carried, listening to every music that was being pumped out from vans, I have the following assessment to share. Capital city (Budapest) gays (&co.) are overwhelmingly pro-(neo)liberals, for a single reason: they give them crumbs and ultimately meaningless gestures when in opposition or in government.

This leads me to my observations:

1. capital city gays, while good intentioned, literally have no idea how politics and economics in general works. When their preferred parties are in power, severe austerity measures are pushed on the broadest stratum of the population, while they get some mild recognition (allowing male-male couples to adopt, for example). So while they are placated by these symbolic gestures, the majority population gets FUCKED in an economic sense. What follows, quite obviously, is the (hard) right gaining more popularity in the process, and they – as a bonus – receive a political boogeyman (gays) to hate upon, and to push blame onto, allowing the right to escape actual economic policies to be discussed, since "what corrupted >>us<< was the gay lobby, etc."…

2. When the first Gay Pride marches were organized in Hungary's capital (nineties), the participators were waaay more antagonistic and iconoclastic in their endeavour. Some people had dildos on their foreheads, some people used dildos to 'thrust' the "Holy" Bible, some were openly portraying their BDSM costume when marching, and so on. Quite obviously, this all ended up as rage-fuel for the hard right, who used these pictures as "proof" of how "deranged" and "abnormal" these people were. Jump to this exact event, and we see far less people in the gay pride march using such "symbolism" fetishism openly displayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.402197

>>402193
again i have been, you seem impaired as soon as anti immigration is brought up
a typical reddit move
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 No.402200

>>402197
Once again, I must remind you that you are at liberty to present a concrete argument at your choosing.
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 No.402203

Once again i have been, you seem impaired as soon as anti immigration is brought up
a typical reddit move
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 No.402204

I am brought back here to give you yet another reminder that you can start arguing any time.
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 No.402207

Moved to >>>/b/114509.


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