/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

please actually read marx and never listen to online marxists, none of them have read marx

KARL MARX WAS A russian saboteur

>>2802576
As if race, gender and other identities exist on an island, each one of these variables are contingent and access to material and specific mode of production determined their identity

suppose africa developed the steam engine before england, they would have colonized a vast amount of land, despite whatever thirdworldists say.

>>2803524
>hmm, I used to think like
And I used to think like you, so I guess we yin-yanged, as people often do
>>2803525
>you should pay attention
I certainly try!
>good night
good morning!

>>2803709
Mods permaban this man for idpol

>>2803663
You are simplifying Greek and Roman philosophy, In both greek city states and in the roman republic, there was opposition and counter powers to the people in charge, neither the patricians nor the plebian could govern alone and they had to work with each other.

Ceasar got killed for not respecting that, this order only ended with many years of consecutive civil wars, where the idea of a strong man emerged as necessary to keep the peace, even then Augustus never officially abolished the republic.
As for the issue of selfishness, it was generally considered wrong to be selfish, altho you aren't wrong that the core of the argument is different then christianity.
“What brings no benefit to the hive brings none to the bee.” Marcus Aurelius
(Meditations 6.54)

Marcus Aurelius argued against selfishness on the basis of the common good, the idea that a citizen must strive for a larger group. Christianity argued on a individualistic perspective of doing what is right for one's soul. The Main difference between greco-roman and christian is the role of religion, Christians view religion as a deeply personal belief, and while religious communites exist, there aren't the center of religion.

Christians pratice their religion because they believe they'll go to heaven. Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.

However, what christianity brought foward the creation of an institution dedicated specifically to helping the poor, with no real equivalent in the pagan world (except Julian's attempt to create such a system for the pagans)

As for the utopianists, this is also a simplification, while some utopian socialist were christians, plenty also took inspiration by enlightement philosophers (Rousseau) and came to the conclusion of equality between all men by this view rather then religious belief, these utopian socialists condemned Christianity, Gracchus Babeuf is a good exemple.

>>2803723
>Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
Thats not entirely true. Worship to gods is also part of the logic of exchange, where one is rewarded for sacrifice. So, it has its dimension of commoditisation.

>>2803727
So, yes? History has regressed since the time of 100 CE?

>>2803723
>Christians view religion as a deeply personal belief, and while religious communites exist, there aren't the center of religion.
>Christians pratice their religion because they believe they'll go to heaven. Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
This is really later development, i don't want to say protestant, but that was the logical endpoint of this development. The early Christians put more weight on you doing right by others, the community was the thing in early-Christianity. It was not primarily about personal faith, or personal repentance, obsession of with sins and being sorry for them. That is the later development.

Also what differentiates pagan worship above all from Christianity was that pagan worship was more transactional. Like you do the sacrifices and rituals to get better crop, find love, cure your illness etc or not be affected by your god's disfavor if you don't. Christian god is universal and will forgive all who will seek him, and will set things right after the second coming. You cannot sacrifice, pray hard enough, or be good or virtuous enough for god to earn anything, but they belied that they could take the given grace and could be good enough to other people with that grace. If the could not, then tough luck champ, I guess they weren't true in their faith. However the talk inside your head was never the point it was the walk you would walk because of it. The community, the works and the church was preparation for the second coming, aka. final judgment, aka. "heaven", which was coming soon, on earth, not above the clouds, alternative dimension, or metaphorically. Christianity was not as or less communal than pagan societies, they were more communal by all measures. What they however also were more insular (mostly because charity with limited resources is rationally focused primarily within the in-group) and took the worship away from public spectacles and that irked some of the roman pagans and led to all kinds of conspiracy theories. Those conspiracy theories and Christians denouncing the cults of roman emperors led to the later persecutions.

>>2802023
everytime there's a crisis in capital a reactionary entity of ye olden days will see the writing on the wall and try to ride the wave of change in a last ditch effort to continue existing

>>2799167
bump

>>2799205
golonka
>>2799222
no i slusznie, skonczyl sie patronat stalina trzeba bylo spierdalac spowrotem w sowiety
jakby nie moczar i gomulka to banda brudnych litwakow by nam teraz urzadzala palestyne w kraju
>>2799450
no one's planning a revolution
>>2799675
truth be told she did not acknowledge any nation other than her own

>>2800032
>truth be told she did not acknowledge any nation other than her own
based

>>2799198
retard

>>2799205
Bigos

>>2802909
what is the pickled moose cock thing. i asked this last time i a saw you post this. I don't get the reference.

>>2802907
As they say, Trotsky was to the left of Stalin.

I actually have not that much issue with Trot as a whole, what im describing is more modern western 'Trotskyists' like Peter Hitchins.

>>2802907
Without Trotsky there is no Bolshevik revolution
t. leftcom

>>2802910
>t. Illiterate 3rd grader seething about math
Not beating the infantile accusations

>>2802925
Do you believe that you are demonstrating a mature impression to your interlocutors with the quality of your contributions presently?

>>2798216
Boring
>>2798225
Class

I'm sure humans in the far future, after being genetically modified and riddled with cybernetic implants, would disgust most modern people, but I'm not sure how you could oppose it without going against industrial, instrumental logic. Might as well throw away your glasses and computers and heart transplants. I wonder if the sex instinct will be destroyed as a redundant waste of time, or maybe used as a psychological carrot. Do X labor, receive Y pleasure. Or we might be desexualized, but the reward would be a bit of wire head euphoria.

>>2795765
>Modern transhumanism seems to have been entirely coopted by the extreme right, the fascist right.
bc leftist transhuminism is predicated on popular ownership of the means of production

>>2797517
Another example. Also why The Onion acquiring InfoWars will never be able to parody the actual thing.

>>2798798
2 bigevents here, labor and immigrant led march out together by MIRAC, and the unions MAPE,CTUL, and MFE in attendance among with frso, salt, and indigenous groups.
Big parade on Sunday, I'm not kidding there was really 20k lined up watching (and its not a huge city) with political left-ish (mostly anti-ICE, pro-Palestine, anti-Pedo/Trump) puppets and masks along with the massive 'Battletrain' a welded together monstrosity with drummers, fire, aerialist, half-pipe, etc.

Glad everyone had a good time

>>2801555
Sounds pretty based. Next yeah get a fuck tonne of red flags and just give them out to create the vibe of socialist aesthetics.

Had a good march and a good rally. Biggest in years, although considering we were commemorating 100 years since the British General Strike (we've only ever had one) the fact that their May Day rally had 20,000 puts things into perspective.

>>2799477
I love the use of rubber hose aesthetics here.

>>2800644
AI scrapers maybe. There are also some anecdotes about seeing more communists but they could be speaking out of their asses. Hard data is gonna be difficult to come by to quantify whether we're seeing any sort of growth, especially since people are (rightfully!) afraid of showing up on any sort of database of communists.

>>2800969
> They never got the full safety net of the new EU democracy
meanwhile, in the Disco Elysium country:
https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

>>2801089

That's the gypsies neighbourhood in Sevilla , Spain

Wow… people are being duped by Trotskyites.. such revolution.

>>2801468
>your law firm
wat, i'm working class. gtfo troll

>>2801334
ur literally unemployed and lying about not being a NEET lmao

>>2801231
<THEY VOTE TO DISSOLVE THE UNION BUT THE PROLETARIAT DOES NOT WANT THAT
Chief, nobody voted for dissolution of the USSR. It happened gradually, that's 1). And 2) the last nail in the coffin were the Belovezha accords,where none of the signatories was a member of the CPSU. Many of them had already left the party in 1990 and regardless of that, CPSU was banned in August 1991 (3 and half months before Belovezha)

>>2801231
All parties are incubators for opportunists, the class party is a house uyghur's tale, it would be good if the slave owners weren't the same dumbfucks as the slaves.

>>2801612
i've seen this exact ragebait copypasta a million times on twitter. same with the "my enemy is not the american ruling class, but the american people"

the LLMs just pump out ragebait until one sticks really good and then all the shillbot accounts repeat it to psychologically torture whatever human beings are left on the internet

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>>2801564
>you're apart of the problem, we live in a period so different from the early 20th century, even from the mid-late 20th century, to pretend we can just do everything lenin or whoever did is idiotic
fool, you are afraid to use a tachanka, the most relevant proletarian weapon

>>2801585
if burger hitlerites itt can sperg out about jews do you think the mods care about misunderstanding of marxist theory

the hippie movement died a few generation ago

>>2801685
Hippies in general were not firmly based on devotion to a specific god (except for hare krishnas).
Socialism is also not "vibes and feeloings", it must be based on a theory of society for instance marxism.

I know this is something that was in the air for a very long time, but I am trying to organize it in a more complex way.

Moved to >>>/siberia/779733.