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So say a Marxist-Leninist economy has all of the stuff important to the state nationalized and operating under scientific planning, it tries to give the basic needs of life like employment and housing to everyone as possible, but there's additionally a private sector for commodity circulation because trying to micromanage every small business to the smallest detail is silly in general. The private sector is heavily regulated to prevent them from subverting the rest of society, and also taxed to help pay for the rest of society.

So what exactly is bad about this generally speaking? Especially on a neoliberal Earth where the international elite, outside of china, can flee and go anywhere and has no accountability? The strategy of dengist economics has produced the same results that people like Mao and Stalin wanted out of their countries like mass industrialization, electrification, and prosperity but at the same time holding their own societal elites accountable.
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>>2878089
Chinese are living futuristic lives you would kill for if you knew how things really are.

>>2878155
They have more a couple more electronic treats and maybe a few cities they can walk around. Why would anyone risk death or jail for that?

>>2878071
Using western measures like "gdp" or literally the price of labour power as a measurement for your "socialist" economy. "Dengist" economics is capitalist economics with the same drawbacks and contradictions and then (unlike the soviets with the nep) not even being honest about it.

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>>2865198
>So what are the flaws of dengist economics?
Flaws? What flaws?

>no scroll
shit thread



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Zelya: 40 more days edition, Russia will surrender in 40 days! count started on 26/06/2026 - Briritsh callendar - 06/26/2026 - American calendar: 22 days

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
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>>2877644
Less, by most accounts. Nevertheless their lives haven't been lost in vain if it's Kiev that thought they'd get a better deal by refusing diplomacy.

Giving FARC a break

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>>2876829
>IDK anything about this stuff, but continuity of MAGA past Trump has to be a very big deal. It has to be done smoothly, all at once, whatever the path. Like with the Epstein files and the Tea Party leftovers.
The structure is something I've heard people on the right talk about. It has been written about regarding the Republican Party going back to the 1970s with Nixon and Ford, and in the 2000s around the campaign to elect George W. Bush. (One of the leading multi-level marketing companies in America that started all of this is Amway, led by the De Vos family.) This emerged out of "tupperware parties" where a suburban housewife would sell plastic crap to her friends. The idea is that you're far more likely to buy something from a friend or relative than a stranger. (This is also interrelated with Evangelical culture in America.) The other important thing is that selling the plastic crap is not the main purpose, it's recruiting other people buying the plastic crap to then become sellers of it to other people with the promise that the seller can become independently wealthy. Also there's a commission structure that rewards early adopters, hence it looks like a pyramid.

If you really look at the American right, this is just everywhere. A bunch of these influencers are either involved in schemes like this, like selling some supplement, or they directly come out of the multi-level marketing business:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bet-David

Applied to politics, you also salami-slice the electorate. Like (a) Evangelical women (b) dudes who like hunting/guns (c) Catholics. You have a bunch of different buckets, and you have "team leaders" recruited from different groups then try to sell the "tupperware" (the candidate) while recruiting more people to sell the candidate and so on. Party organizations turn into a kind of living room of "upline" and "downline" recruits. Also this is now online with so-called "dark money" that flows to various pro-Trump social media influencers, podcasters, etc.

>My completely uneducated guess is that, there was some level of strategy to ACP's "MAGA communism" beyond clout farming. They may have been trying to co-opt this process. Proba
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All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter. That charter envisioned a system similar to the 2016 Naftogaz model, where production, transportation, storage, and distribution are four separate entities (in technical terms – unbundling), and access to the main gas transit system would be granted to Turkmen, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, and even Polish gas from Świnoujście. The idea was that these players, to curry favor with the European authorities, would lower prices, allowing Europeans to buy cheap gas and oil at $30–50 a barrel, just like in the glory days of the 1990s when the West reveled in its unipolar dominance.

Once ratification was rejected, and Gazprom began systematically expanding its presence by acquiring capacity and distribution networks in the EU, with oil consolidated under Rosneft, Khodorkovsky whisking away his assets, and Nevzlin hiding in Israel, the EU launched its first gas war. The narrative was that the Russians had become unreliable and were abusing their monopoly position. This laid the groundwork for: a) moving away from the old transit scheme that allowed unlimited transit through Ukrainian gas infrastructure to the EU; b) the foundation for the Third Energy Package; and c) the theoretical justification for the Gas Directive, which imposed a 50/50 ownership and pumping split on pipelines and tried to force suppliers into price competition through discriminatory access to Russian gas transit infrastructure.

Then came the second gas war, the arbitrary cancellation of South Stream, the difficult but ultimately successful launch of Nord Stream 1 (based on Soviet-era surveys), the OPAL regulation, Gazprom's acquisition of distribution networks, storage facilities, gas stations, and refineries in Bulgaria and Serbia – and a lot more. But the EU had already declared that it wanted gas cheaper, ideally for free.

After that came arbitrary lawsuits, Stockholm arbitrations, retroactive gas directives, antitrust actions in Poland, bans and obstacles to Nord Stream 2, and attempts to derail TurkStream. When it became clear that the transit system was pumping, TurkStream was pumping, Nord Stream 1 was pumping, and Nord Stream 2 was nearly finished, they dropped the first tactical nuclear bomb: the Stockholm arbitration ruling that invalidated the contract price.

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I know im risking a ban by saying this so ill preface with the fact that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SUPPORT UKRAINE OR NATO but the sheer amount of mental gymnastics and cope in this thread toconvince yourself that Russia is winning this shit is honestly pathetic. I though a place filled with leftists would be a bit more self critical and grounded but this is genuinely indistinguishable from when /pol/ picks a side in some random social or military conflict and goes into complete psychosis to make themselves believe their side is "winning" and "BTFO-ing" the other side. Not to mention class struggle that has been completely pushed aside in favour of petty nationalism and hype-moment addiction. This thread is sad. If you are over 22 and behave like this then i don't know what to tell you.



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How do you guys feel about the new wave of tiktok 'marxists'? More specifically the new leftcoms who are just lazily reusing the social relations argument
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>>2876943
Ah, the "real socialism has never been tried", rebranded.

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>>2875654
You faggots would have killed Stalin a Nazi

>>2876951
“Real socialism never been tried is the factual position” libraloid

>>2877307
theres a big difference between an attempt to construct socialism and actually achieving it
next time try to open a dictionary

>>2878117
Just boil the fucking egg, it’s no one’s fault but your own for not being able to turn the stove on



 

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>>2878084
damn. that sucks. good luck.

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>>2877874
zelensky gets the credit because he's the one overseeing hundreds of thousands of dollars and euros worth of graft every month while sending unmarked vans around to abduct people's uncles to lock them in a bunker on the frontline with basically no training and leave them there shooting at nothing until they die.

If cpusanon was up for it away id put a chain around his fat neck and SMASH his teeth with hammer. And let him give me gumjobs to atone for all his epstein kinds sins and for their ancestor sins.

>>2878005
>what are you even talking about
that the sheer adrenaline rush of finally bombing Iranian school children caused Lindsey's heart to crap out.

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>>2878008
HAAVARA 4 EVA



 

Newsanon is ran by WOKE fake news, TruthNewsQnon only brings the TRUTH!

Donald Trump accuses 'fake news' of wanting US to lose Iran war, blasts NYT reporting

>President Donald Trump accused the "fake news" media of wanting the United States to lose its war with Iran during a Monday interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, as he defended the military campaign and threatened another wave of strikes against Tehran.

>Trump argued that Iran's military had been decimated but continued to receive favorable news coverage.
>"All they do is talk and they have fake press. They do very well with the fake press, but because the fake news wants us to lose," Trump said.

Trump authorises US ground invasion of Iran as President declares 'next phase of operations'

https://www.independent.co.uk/US-ground-invasion-staging

>President Donald Trump has announced that the United States will begin major ground operations inside Iran in the coming days, confirming a dramatic escalation of the months-long conflict between Washington and Tehran.

>In a statement posted Monday morning, the President said he had authorised what he called the "next phase of operations" following consultations with senior military commanders and his national security team.
> "The Radical Regime in Iran has refused every opportunity to make a deal. They chose conflict instead of PEACE," Trump wrote.
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Trump dealt major blow as Supreme Court blocks attempt to launch ground invasion without Congress

By CNN Politics Staff

>The Supreme Court ruled that the administration cannot launch a large-scale ground invasion without first receiving approval from Congress.

>The ruling rejected Trump’s argument that the president has broad authority to conduct major military operations, with the court reaffirming Congress’s constitutional role in authorizing war.
>Critics accused Trump of attempting to bypass democratic checks and expand presidential power beyond its limits.
> "This is a clear reminder that the president is not a king," one lawmaker said.
>The Trump administration condemned the decision, arguing it undermines the commander-in-chief’s ability to act quickly during international crises.
>The ruling marks a significant setback for Trump’s foreign policy agenda and is expected to fuel further criticism of his approach to executive power.

Trump praised as "hero of Israel and Jewish people" by prominent Israeli rabbi

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-who-hes-eyeing-replace-lindsey-graham

>Speaking at an event in Jerusalem, Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan, one of Israel’s most influential religious leaders, credited Trump with strengthening U.S.-Israeli relations and supporting policies favorable to Israel.

>"President Trump has stood with Israel and defended the Jewish people. For many, he will be remembered as a historic friend and a hero," Ben-Dahan said.
>Trump thanked the rabbi for his remarks, saying his administration would continue to support Israel and work toward strengthening ties between the two countries.
>Supporters of the president praised the comments as evidence of strong international backing for Trump’s foreign policy, while critics argued the statement reflected political divisions surrounding the administration.
>The White House said the remarks highlight what it described as "an unprecedented partnership" between the United States and Israel.

>>2866801
thats literally his disapproval rating, wtf are you talking about?

Bump

trump is a small dick bitch



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what do you guys think of sun yat-sen and the three principles of the people ? is it some bourgeois bullshit? was it an okay idea at the time ? or was it kinda just bad for china/taiwan in the long run ?
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>>2867820
yeah because he was "progressive" and a useful ally in the chinese context.
But put this guy in the russian/soviet context and he would be a reactionary. The guy did not believe in class struggle but instead believe in class collaborationism based on social harmony. He did not believe in a dictatorship of the prolertariat but instead believed in a neutral state. Where the state would be the meditator of class issues and promote social/class harmony
This is deeply reactionary in the soviet context

>>2867826
He was objectively progressive because China was a quasi feudal backwater country being torn up by imperialists and he wanted to modernize it.

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The real father of the Chinese Revolution

>>2867881
>creates a new competent Army
>tames Koreans and Japanese
>kills peasant rebels
>mogs Sun Yeti San
>murder political rivals
>humiliates his congressmen
potentially the greatest Chinese president of all time, the only thing he did wrong was get sick and die

sun yat SHIT was a gay retard



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(I know: MUH lifestylism\ muh bourgeois method-but this is about what *I* can do, I don't control the planet)
I'm struggling to decide how much of my money to give to altruistic\charitable\ground-up or grassroots orgs, etc vs "hedonism" eg; toys, figures, eating expensive foodstuffs, possibly travel, mini-vacations, etc
I'm turd-world countrier but have US dollars saved. I don't like the excesses of the Utilitarian\E.U. movement but I use some of their valid analyses and data on verified, working and trustworthy, charities and NGOs.

>>2867444
Idk, as much as you can afford. It's not the worst thing ever to enjoy some treats in life.

just volunteer at a soup kitchen and use cash for drugs simple as

dayum, piccolo got fat



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>personal wealth reaches 3 million.
>Still no desire to rape children
>Still feel empathy for the poor
>Still hate rich people

In high school used to think rich people were morally unlucky and their greed and lack of empathy was a result of legitimately bad circumstances.

They're just fucking evil. If anything the richer you get the more you feel guilty.
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Hi, OP, I'm poor and don't want your money.

>>2867130
Post really really good posts on leftypol.org (trust me)

>>2867135
Real aryan

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>>2867083
I need my money to buy houses for my unborn children + pay for their uni to secure them their position in the middle class

Even when I meet that goal, any extra money I have will go directly to charity and strike funds. I'm not giving you money to buy computer parts.

>>2867224
>I need my money to buy houses for my unborn children
even got a woman pregnant yet

>>2867085
link your cashapp



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Can we get a Neocon breadpill thread going?

What exactly was Neoconservatism and how exactly did it originate? Was it the philosophy of Leo Strauss? Was it former Trotskyists like Irving Kristol? If so, why did these ex-Trots flip and become right-wingers? Politically, it started in America with the Reagan presidency, so what exactly were Reagan's political influences? Also, given that its biggest proponents were Jews, did it have any Talmudic or Kabbalistic element to it?

Basically, sum up whatever Neoconservatism is. Also, Straussian Neocons formed coalitions with the Religious Right and free market neoliberals despite all three groups having contradictory ideologies. Why?
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>>2829519
Someone needs to ask Jenny what she thinks of the recent woke Odyssey adaptation featuring Helen of Detroit.

>>2832517
NTA but iirc its the its just a term for the ideas espoused by Thomas Aquinas

>>2832301
>They rely on Thomism not Greek and Roman shit
Aquinas was an Aristotelian…

>>2866521
What part of Africa is Detroit in?

>>2830921
anon never read or watched the thing lol. your effort was wasted



 

Real question, how many of you adhere neatly to one ideology? I think everybody vibes with a particular tendency, but personally I'm totally happy to steal good ideas from across ideological lines. I definitely think there's an optimal way to achieve a leftist society as well, however if someone implements another plan to get us there that doesn't fuck others over, I don't see myself being too upset so long as we get where we're going.

Just asking because I see people engage in never-ending theory battles online, as well as discounting the contributions of leftists of other tendencies. It seems so strange to me, like instead of acknowledging the good work others have done, while maintaining your own critiques for how to do it better, it seems more in vogue to treat other ideologies as fakes designed to waste your time and meet them with hostility.

I mean obviously this is the internet, people are constantly cranked up to 11, trolling, or genuinely suffering from untreated mental illness. But it seems to me that we're seeing a massive resurgence in leftist thought and action, so I figured people would exercise a little discipline to make the most of the moment. Tbf, this could all be crazy people, bots, government psyops, and algorithmic manipulation. I've just seen people I genuinely appreciate engage in the same shit, so there has to be some element that's real.
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>>2862436
ok based also I think people are too concerned with being "dogmatic" when in reality the only thing that can keep afloat in the most difficult moments of the struggle is unwavering trust in your core beliefs
>If you wish, I can provide you with some Marxist texts to read so that you may immunize yourself against the opportunism fostered by the hegemony of liberal ideas in today's capitalism.
pls go ahead

>>2865619
hello ᴉuᴉlossnW

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>>2858713

>listen to morons


Perhaps I should be clearer. I am saying to listen to literally everyone. Everyone. Even those who we would line up against a wall. This is for the sole purpose of learning how to mind-fuck them even better because this is the age of psychological warfare and we should be doing that more often.

I'm not wrong here, am I?


>>2867106
youre trying to pass off vibes and aura as anything but a waste of fucking time. you could simply learn to analyze and study the material world scientifically instead of this shit, lol. the whole criticism of ideology is that it inherently masks how real life actually works



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