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>be Israel
>starts the 1982 Lebanon war over an Israeli ambassador to the UK being shot and injured which Israel blamed on the PLO
>so Israel takes all of Southern Lebanon up to the Litani river and that was when Hezbollah was created while the spineless Lebanese military does nothing
>over the span of 18 years, Hezbollah takes back all of Lebanon by 2000
>after the Israeli withdrawal, they try again in 2006 but get kicked out by Hezbollah again, despite heavy civilian losses
>two years later, after two defeats, Israel launches Operation Cast Lead in Gaza and kills 1,000 people, including 300 children as a message to Iran all over claims of Hamas building a tunnel
>now Israel is trying again with Hezbollah, they are trying to do what David Ben-Gurion talked about for years

Jesus Christ, when will they just fuck off?
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>>2863277
Didn't Iran want the US to invade Iraq?


>>2863425
Proof?

>>2863397
I am covenant theology and NIFB. The church has replaced Israel because of the historical context of the law ending in 33 AD with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and 70 AD with the destruction of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem by Titus Flavius. James says to break one law is to be guilty of all. And what is the wages of sin? DEATH! That's why people sacrificed chickens, goats and oxes for burnt offerings. It covered sins but the blood of sheeps and bulls cannot remove sin. Only the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ can do that. However, I do believe that in the Old Testament, salvation worked differently. The holy spirit wasn't required and when people did receive it, they could lose it. King David even wrote in one of the Psalms take not your holy spirit from me. But in the NT, the holy spirit is required for salvation and once you receive it by believing in the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, you are sealed to the day of redemption. The Bible says they have eternal life. That's PRESENT-TENSE, not future. There is no backsliding. You can still sin, but no one born of God commits sin. That's because they have the holy ghost. Paul even said it is not I that sin but the spirit of sin that lives within me. Your flesh still sins. But some people who make it to Heaven are gonna be left with no rewards after the judgment seat of Christ. That's why you continue in belief and not apostatize so you can be given the crown of life. The Bible says that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus. Obviously, unsaved Israel is not blessed by God. The answer to Genesis 12:5 is Galatians 3:16. It didn't mean God will bless those that bless Israel, it said ABRAHAM'S SEED! Jews butcher the NT. Rabbi Tovias Singer cannot read his own book.

>>2863502
multipolar cucks want you to forget that



 

Why do almost all modern "communist" party members look like 'that'.
I sound like a conservative here but all communists nowadays look fat and uncared for. Aren't ML parties supposed to prepare a vanguard for the revolution? If so why do most ML parties have members like slobs? Every time I look at my local communist org I get repulsed and honestly, if I weren't a communist myself, I would never take them seriously.
What is the solution to this degeneracy?
>pic kind of related
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>>2853790
good chance of that or he follows leftypol/leftypol adjacent accounts on twitter

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>>2853449
Least of our problems when proletarians ask why "socialism failed" in the USSR.

>omg fellow commies, does anyone else think we're all fat and ugly teehee. why don't we all wear suits and rant about degeneracy

>>2853785
>>2863757
oh god oh fuck



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I look at early Science fiction, and it seems a lot of it before the 50's had a communist character to it - thinking of stuff like "Red Star" or the whole topic of Russian Cosmism, it seems a lot of this got swallowed up by liberal and pro-colonial science fiction (starship troopers, star trek). So what happened? How would you contrast proletarian science fiction and bourgeoisie science fiction generally?
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you can also check this thread on /hobby/
>>>/hobby/2419

>starship troooooopers
>Pro-colonial

>>2863528
Might not be colonial but it sure compares the bugs to chinese communists

>>2863286

Bull’s Hour is the sequel and it’s also excellent!

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>>2862633
proletarian science fiction would have to incorporate as many elements as possible from pic related



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Let's imagine an economy where production and distribution is determined through a plan, where workers obey an elected factory manager, and where there is no massive corruption or parallel market activity.
How would the following issues be solved ?

>information problem

How do you determine where to allocate labor, and where to distribute the products

>Under/Over reporting problem

There is an incentive gap between the workers at a factory tasked with production, and the planners who do not know how much they can produce.
How do you make certain that the workers are truthful about their productive capacities ?

>innovation problem

How do you make sure that there workers aim at adopting and implementing new technologies to the fullest extent possible, and that they also try to develop local innovations by themselves.
In essence, how do you make sure that the workers use the most efficient means of production.

>ECP/Price determination

If the economy is currency-less, how do you determine opportunity-costs ? If there is some form of tractability between goods, how do you determine the prices of different goods.
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>>2858541
yeah, dirt cheap travel by plane is totally a prerequisite for a functioning market economy and not an example of the excesses and wastefulness of it. boeing becoming a dysfunctional quasi state enterprise that lost its core competency in engineering and manufacturing functional air planes is a great example for how well the market is able to allocate ressources in an efficient manner.
you ignoring every good faith post giving you arguments isn't you being a dishonest wrecker moron.

its totally us who are lazy and combatative and not you who has not a single clue about even the most basic fundamentals of political economy; or how a modern manufacturing supply chain operates end to end.

>>2858806
  1. (you) every post you think is mine, I need a good laugh
  2. yes, people being able to travel is good, actually.
  3. you can't accuse me of blaming the state for boeing's failures and then turn around to claim I'm using it being a quasi state entity as an example of market efficiency. this is just incoherent. stop seething and think before you post. (after you hastily (you) half the thread, of course.)

>>2858861
Nothing and no one will ever travel, that’s immigration and it’s scabbing

>>2856695
OP Please read through >>2566144

>>2863944
you guys have had so many versions of that great thread which don't get archived meanwhile the shitty burger thread always gets archived



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If crime is merely a function of poverty why do the bourgeoisie who are ultra rich commit so many crimes?

Seems to me crime is more of a function of sociopathy than poverty
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>>2863084
>theft is caused by poverty
The intellectual might of leftism.

>>2863069
>If crime is merely a function of poverty
it's not
literally every single study on the subject shows this

>If crime is merely a function of poverty
Nice misframing, monkey boy!

This claim is usually made in the context of petty theft, violent muggings and gang murders. The kind of crime that makes everyday people, or small business owners, feel unsafe.
The ultrawealthy and states tend towards committing different crimes.

>Seems to me crime is more of a function of sociopathy than poverty

Crime and law is not a proxy for morality or social cohesion. I regularly avoid paying the wealthy and I use those savings to support people and organizations in need - am I therefore a sociopath?

>>2863603
>Poor people who commit crimes are being conditioned to do so by conditions of poverty. Rich people who commit crimes do so because you can't be rich under capitalism without also being a shitty person.
TRVTH NVKE
>>2863853
>>If crime is merely a function of poverty
>it's not
>literally every single study on the subject shows this
such as?



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I've had enough of watching these Zionist assholes get away with everything. I'm ready to hear you all out and I've got a foot out the door into being a communist. What are your solutions?
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>>2855112
>What are your solutions?
War of national liberation against israel. If youre talking abous jewSA instead the problem seems to be evangelical christians corrupted by israel.

>>2855112
>these Zionist assholes
Capitalists are also bad even if they aren't zionists

>>2855112
bro this picture is hideous bro

>>2855112
A revolutionary socialist party striving for the supremacy of the proletariat must remain independent of the bourgeoisie in order to propagate its ideas among the masses. To this end, it requires an anti-imperialist policy based on solidarity with workers worldwide and opposition to any financing of financial capital's dominance abroad—without exception; this includes arms sales, loans, and aid that sustain capitalist-imperialist hegemony.

Necessary political slogans include: guaranteed public employment; a reduction in the workday; wage equality within unions, alongside the removal of all barriers preventing the formation and action of radical unions; the abolition of contracts with private companies in favor of public enterprises that compete against private firms in the market; the unionization of all workers; and labor and civil rights for all workers—including immigrants—with wage parity vis-à-vis native workers and compensation for any intensified exploitation, with the cost always borne by the capitalists. Furthermore, workers must have the legal right to pursue litigation at the capitalists' expense, and pensions must be removed from the realm of financial speculation, becoming a public guarantee controlled by the pensioners themselves, with costs covered by the capitalists who exploited the workers, backed by state guarantees. Maternity and paternity must be guaranteed by the government, and the cost of child-rearing must be borne by society; society bears the responsibility of caring for the elderly and the disabled.

All banks must be nationalized and controlled by a workers' council—free of speculators and capitalists—to regulate the minimum wage by linking it to the cost of food and workers' necessities, thereby minimizing the impact of inflation on the workforce. All government spending must be transparent and overseen by a popular workers' council to politicize every public expenditure through participatory budgeting; any fiscal responsibility laws must be abolished. Public enterprises are to be managed by workers' councils, excluding capitalists. Public debts must be audited, and all obligations and contracts with private companies reviewed, with the aim of ending speculation on public debt and bankrupting private firms so that cooperatives and public enterprises can dominate; cheap credit and debt should be usedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2877984
this text is 80% likely to be AI generated.



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Why dont they just kill all palestinians? They could end this conflict once and all if they just rounded-up everyone from gaza and the west bank and shot them. Literally nothing is stopping them and nobody would care or try to prevent them if they did.
Yet they don't, why?
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>>2860092
>Actually, killing people in mass quatities is hard and costly. Specially if you want to use the land they lived on AND you don't want to anger the neighbourgs. One recent example is how Rojava abandoned a big islamist prison to be taken by the turkish proxies. Rojava didn't have the time nor the resources to kill the +1000 islamists there in hours.

I bet washington just said "no" and "keep going south, though, and rounding up arabs, we need them for later". And the rest is irony, i mean, history.

guys i suspect israel might be a fake country

>>2829924
>Why dont they just kill all palestinians?
What do you think they're doing?
>Yet they don't, why?
Cat's often like to play with their catches before they kill them. Also it's better for them and their Western partners to go slow enough that they can keep it off the news.

>>2862689
>They need to exploit the Palestinians for cheap labor
This is such a bizzare cope, Israelis have a higher birth-rate then Palestinians and they have a proper working class

>>2877953
The state is the apparatus of the bourgeoisie



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Iran is reversing decades worth of infrastructure and presence built by the US in the Middle East since Iraq. Iran is uniting the muslim world against a common enemy to bring the arrival of the 12th imam (the mahdi), ending with the destruction of Israel and the US. Türkiye is feuding with Israel and can cut off Azeri oil through their territory if they wanted to. Not saying that Erdoğan will. Iran has killed 11 US soldiers and 1 contractor, killed many more Israeli soldiers and civilians (along with Hezbollah). Israel has already been kicked out of Lebanon twice since the 1982 Lebanon War/South Lebanon Conflict (1985-2000) and the 2006 Lebanon War. I predict it might happen again when you combine the Iranian front to add on top of all this. Right now it's just Iran and Hezbollah vs. the US, Israel and Ukraine. Turkey might join. Russia is already giving satellite information to Iran. A ground invasion is imminent. Expect substantial US casualties.

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Say goodbye to cheap aluminum everyone

>>2877847
>Iran is uniting the muslim world
Proof?

>>2877847
>Iran is reversing decades worth of infrastructure and presence built by the US in the Middle East since Iraq.
yeah
>Iran is uniting the muslim world against a common enemy
nah. the gulf monarchies love money
>Iran has killed 11 US soldiers and 1 contractor,
way way more than that. USA is lying about their deaths in this war



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What does leftypol think of left anarchism/left Libertarianism?

Do you consider it "liberal" and how would you compare it to left authoritarianism and right libertarianism?
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>>2877912
read marx

>>2877933
You read Marx

>>2877952
>no u
"Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat." - K. Marx

"Under collective ownership, the so-called will of the people disappears, to make way for the real will of the cooperative" - K. Marx

"When the people are beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick.'" - M. Bakunin

I'm not interested in arguing with some hasanabi hot topic socialist who doesn't even know the strengths and weaknesses of what he professes to believe.

>>2877963
When we're talking about the dictatorship of the proletariat we are talking about a period of emergency rule when classes are liquidated. This doesn't necessarily equal despotism or state violence. Secondly, when Bakunin talks about the people beaten with a stick he doesn't put forward what kind of class character the coercive power of the state would convey in Marx's view and what his alternative to proletarian emergency rule is. There's never been an anarchist revolution without the People's Stick. Bakunin doesn't actually address the contradiction and went into weird shit like participating secret societies to organize insurgencies and terror as opposed to parties which would be able to create a workers' state.

>>2877963
"Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom. He is presently in Sweden, where he is hatching “revolution” with the Finns." - K Marx
I am not interested in people who think a fat pedophile arguing about sticks counts as a valid critique of communism. Hierarchy arises out of the social/economic conditions and can only cease to be through actual changing of those conditions, which can only be brought about with the people's stick. Change the world and change the need for hierarchical forms of social organization



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I want Trump to establish a Presidential Dictatorship so the collapse of the United States will be accelerated.

Trump does not care about anything but his ego and his family's name, he is a fascist, he is a capitalist, he is the embodiment of everything wrong with America.

The Democrats need to win the 2026 midterms to take congress for any of this to happen, currently Trump has launched the largest millitary purge in US history, only selecting loyal personnel. I believe he is planning to use the millitary at some point to suspend congress if the democrats try to impeach him, or try to force him to 2 terms, EITHER WAY, we need this to happen.

If Trump were to suspend congress civil war would immediately or eventually start, im certain of this.
And also im not asking for you guys to vote democrat in 2028, if anything vote for the DSA in 2028 since they are running nationally then.

So lets get the collapse started guys
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>>2861432
>race war
retard

>>2861432
>Either way I’m abandoning this shithole
i hope wherever you go they hang you

>>2861432
DSA is a White party made up of rich White men with Aryan wives.

>>2861453
large if factual

>>2861383
People still hate the previous status quo and know that it will offer them nothing



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