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This is probably a very unpopular opinion but leftists should not oppose AI.

AI has the potential to make our lives easier as workers, but in the hands of capitalists, they will continue to extract our surplus value even as our productivity increases, exactly as happened during the Industrial Revolution. Instead of the workday being shortened, it grew longer, and under extremely harsh conditions.

We should use it to our advantage, create propaganda, videos, and information. Opposing it would be like workers in the last century refusing to use machines and instead wanting to make a revolution with picks and shovels.

Only when AI is in the hands of workers rather than the market will we be able to properly regulate its use.

>>2817713
I agree. Fuck leftists though, left wing of capital.

>>2817713
We do not have AI. We have fancy autocomplete that the bourgeoisie are going to try to use to decimate workers. It's going to fail, and the stock market is going to crash, because this fancy autocomplete is prohibitively expensive to operate.

>>2817713
Go ahead, use AI as much as you want, no one's stopping you.

>>2817713
wake me up when AI:
  • is actually intelligent, at least rivaling that of a person
  • isn't a needlessly environmentally destructive force
  • open source and readily available to anyone for implementation in applications outside of government/private sector
  • isn't a gigantic speculative bubble



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anarchist here. so i have been thinking about this a lot lately. should we be doing things to literally "seize" the means of production by producing goods and services in our own homes (for those of us lucky enough to have homes), and then giving these goods and services to others (mainly people we know such as friends etc. but giving to strangers is based too) free of charge? a sort of underground gift-based economy, that is? obviously this cannot substitute entirely for collective workers' struggle and i don't think we should stop doing that. i do think that building an underground gift economy based on homemade goods could be very beneficial to the cause of liberation though. did you know that there are fruits and vegetables you can literally grow indoors?
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>>2818173
bro got mad puss with his crazy peasant magick tho, he even got to plow the empress. Pretty cool if you ask me

>>2818175
Yes, I suppose he did. Good for him, I'm sure it brought him fulfillment and satisfaction.

>>2818177
His secret technique was that he knew women could orgasm, which wouldn't become public knowledge in russia until after the revolution. You could learn a thing or two from this guy anon

>>2818101
MODS=GODS

>>2817446
>literally "seize" the means of production
>by producing goods and services in our own homes
this is literally not seizing anything and simply trying to start your small business
>and then giving these goods and services to others […] free of charge
wait not a business, a charity
>underground gift-based economy
it will be simply irrelevant to the economy at large. Theres a reason we produce shit in massive factories and big machines, and that the rich and powerful own these. Go read some marxist theory



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I have a hard time believing that any of us would care about capitalism if we had "made" it. Through bad circumstances, bad choices, bad relationships, lowly class origins, or disability, we have ended up here at the end of history. I can't help but think about what it's like to be a winner. How often do they think about us?
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>>2816980
>if one has no stake in the capitalist system, then one may well turn against it
he is so close to realizing that it is necessary for capitalism to function that most people be proletarian and therefore have no stake in its continuation

>>2816872
CIAnonymous coming in hot with another banger.

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guy who doesn't know who friedrich engels is thread #728957972

>>2817294
>implying everyone is as moral as Engels

>>2817789
>im wrong but im going to ignore any evidence that proves me so

yeah ok



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One common stereotype regarding today’s western atheists is that they are predominantly white, male, and from Christian backgrounds, and this demographic profile stands to this day based on the latest polls on the atheist community.

And as pointed out by people like Contrapoints, both the alt-right and the SJWs of the 2010s were products of the New Atheism movement, the bulk of its members being, once again, white males from Christian households.
So this begs the question: Did they leave because the churches weren’t racist enough following the adoption of the civil rights movement’s philosophy by most churches in the 1990s?

As polemical and farfetched as it sounds, I don’t necessarily think it’s improbable given the obvious demographic profile, the fact that the decline in Christianity (in America, Canada, and Australia at least) and rise of sub-cultures were heavily driven by young middle-class white people (especially white men) who left the churches, and that was back when the churches were at least nominally anti-racist following the decline of the white nationalist movement as a significant political bloc in both the north and the new south, as well as the fact that whilst elevatorgate did drive many young white atheist men into further reactionary politics (e.g., the “redpill”, incels, scientific racism, transphobia, etc…) the reactionary streak was there since the beginning as the “four horsemen” used bait-and-switch tactics in their writings to sell the message during the GWOT era: “You don’t need to be a fundamentalist Christian to support another crusade in Iraq”, as well as the universalist civilisational rhetoric. and that was long before the “horsemen” like Harris and Dawkins began to promote a particularist view of the west as it becomes clear that its hegemony is being challenged by nominally non-liberal countries like Russia and China.

There’s also the fact that Christianity in America and elsewhere in what made up old Christendom hasn’t gained any more followers outside of mass immigration as seen how churches across Europe and elsewhere in north America and Australia need to import priests to fill the roles of the clergy as white people there don’t wanna work in churches. While it can be argued that much of it is to do with how Christianity’s universalism is clashing with the increasing particularism of white people who only want Christianity if it affirms white identitarianism, that still wouldn’t support tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2816733
When did I say that

>>2815344
You brought up American prostestantism as a distinct entity out of no-where as if American protestantism is distinct from American catholicism for some reason, despite almost having the same material base, when it was Catholic judges that abolished Roe and American Catholics, outside of FOB hispanics have the same politics as protestants and argued based on scripture, as if people follow some coherent rational theology. That's why I called you an idealist.

>>2815333
>look at my random shart that displays formal membership to mainstream religious institutions that has no correlation whatsover with actual political influence

>>2816875
ding ding ding

Vulgar Whiggism is not materialist analysis. By all objective accounts Christian nationalism has never been stronger than right now. Within the US and outside of it, especially in Latin American. Radical chuches, especially those pro-civil rights have been subverted. Evangical zionism reigns hegemonically, sedevacantism is at an all time high.

OP is totally delusional.



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Hello, I'd like to let you know about the existence of an active left-wing/anti-Fascist community in the virtual world known as Second Life. They have their own land/map and do events and discussions every third day.

They do a lot of real world activism, but they also get involved in issues that might affect that virtual world. For example, they participated in the online protests against Patch Linden, a Linden Labs employee who was found to be an ageplayer (he was finally fired weeks ago) and also against several pro-Trump maps/regions.

In their next event they will have as a guest speaker a high profile psychologist to talk about several issues related to political activism. It will be on May 21st at 6:00 PM (California time) in the Grand Hustle region of Second Life.

To be part of these communities (there are several groups, more or less affiliated to each other) you only need a free Second Life account. Second Life can be played as a regular PC game, but also as a mobile or browser game.

When you get in touch with any of us in-world, feel free to ask for flags, banners, shirts or any materials we use in our protests. If you have some basic Photoshop knowledge you can make your own as well.

Well, that's all, freel free to ask anything.

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>Second Life

That's awesome

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>>2817565
I just don't want Fascists to relax, be it in the real world or the virtual one.

I wish the press would keep covering our activities though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtXyYKBtd_Q

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with trump approval rating still being so high can we say that at least 35-45% of americans will always metaphysically be Lumpen-Proletariat unless there’s something akin to a culture revolution/mass reeducation that takes place
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Marx underestimated how important ideology is.

>>2817144

“According to the materialist conception of history, the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life. More than this neither Marx nor I have ever asserted. Hence if somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract, senseless phrase.”

Engels

>>2817164
you are telling me a lot of the marxists i met online didnt know shit? because huh

>>2817196
>hate successful American businessmen and statesmen
Agreed anybody who thinks the biosphere shouldn't be wiped out does.
>like Trump
He's successful as a businessman I guess. As a statesman he's a clown, everyone knows not to listen to him.

>>2816859
it's probably more like 25-30%, and it's not entirely that they're lumpen, it's that most parties have a core support of around this size. a chunk of those aren't lumpen, but they're assholes and strongly negatively polarized against liberals. so long as the enemy is worse, it's easy to keep a chunk of your support.

UK labour is a good illustrative example. in 1983 they ran on a "notoriously" left-wing manifesto and lost badly… they got 28% of the vote. in 2005, having just started the iraq war and proven incredibly right wing in power they got… 35% of the vote. in 2010, having continued the iraq war, appointed a dour scotsman as their leader, spent years infighting, in the midst of an economic recession, having contradictory stances on immigration (at once promising "british jobs for british workers" to pander to the BNP vote and accidentally insulting a woman whining about immigration as a "bigoted woman" in a hot mic moment) they got… 29% of the vote.

why am i telling you this? to illustrate that labour loyalists were loyal to labour no matter what labour did. why? because the conservatives were always worse, and because labour always gave them a handful of breadcrumbs to show there was an inch between them and the conservatives.

in 2019 labour lost badly after a massive press and institutional campaign against the party, with its own MPs sabotaging it, and a wrecking campaign to give the party an unworkable brexit position. they got… 33% of the vote. in 2024 they ran a bland man on a bland manifesto who spent his whole time attacking the membership of the party and they won with… 32% of the vote. but these things have limits: in power, still tacking to the right, with their opposition apparently irrelevant, and still attacking their support base, the dam has given way and labour are now on 16% of the vote and falling. but this has taken more than 35 years of the party actively hating its own membership and supporters and even then half of that core still haven't abandoned the party. i personally know people who would be just as if not more scathing about the party's record and they are still party members because the party as an abstract ideal is part of their identity even as the party as an actually existing organization is half moronic and haPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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I want to start by saying that I have been involved in aid work and activism in my country for over a decade now. I have seen a lot and I think one thing that needs to be clarified is just how bad things are. Not all third-world countries are this bad, but mine is. People are living worse than animals and in absolute misery
The upper middle class tries to disconnect from this reality. They either flee to the West or isolate themselves in gated communities, but even they are still confronted with poverty. The lower classes have cheap entertainment, but they too live with delusions and fantasies. For socialists however, there is no escape. We are forced to confront this failure daily and feel powerless, knowing we cannot change anything.
Ultimately, the only conclusion we have reached is that our states desperately require centralized authority for any kind of development. Without that, we are doomed to continue living in these conditions. I am sorry but Marxist-Leninism and orthodox Marxism are not going to take hold right now. Maybe they could in the future, but at present I would describe myself simply as a socialist who wants improvement for my country and nothing else.
The only path for development in the third world is authoritarian socialism
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>>2815822
Are you the same guy who said he didn't care if Fascists came to power in Europe and that he didn't care about diaspora?

>>2817150
I’ve said that I don’t view Fascism as the “anti-Christ” ideology that most Western leftists do. Anything that can most effectively dismantle or radically change the current world system would be ideal. As for the diaspora, I’m ambivalent. I think they should return home with the money they make and try to improve our home nations/

>>2815824
Once again this site is filled with silicon valley type freaks and show that no hope its possible for the modern world as we have murdered any sense of imagination

>>2815839
I’m almost sickeningly curious about what’s going to happen to countries that never industrialized but still reached below-replacement birth rates. Obviously It won’t mean “my country will be extinct in 23.4 years,” but it could radically change the economy and would basically force governments to change the status quo.

>>2817423
That sounds great



 

Terrisa Bukovinac is 100% anti-Zionist and refuses to take a penny from AIPAC. She will not kiss the wall. She is also very attractive and conservative (which most working-class people are) AND a socialist. Ziorats will most likely run a smear campaign against her do she needs all the love she can get.

Reminder stopping Zionists starts with voting against their puppets in Congress. The left needs to do as much as it can for Palestine, and one of the best things it can do is campaign for politicians who are openly anti-Zionist.

And can we PLEASE get Jimmy Dore or Caleb Maupin to interview her?
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>>2817177
>kiss the wall
What?

>>2817336
Like it or not, most working-class people are twats like me.

>>2817342
I don't know why you think I'm baiting, but I can assure you I'm not.

>>2817353
Humiliation ritual

She seems like an airhead.

Leftypol mods confirmed pro-aipac, probably receive aipac money



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Italy on strike again for Palestine
Thousands of workers across Italy joined a new general strike on May 18, demanding complete severance of ties with Israel, an end to armament policies, and protection for the new civilian flotilla to Gaza – which was attacked again by Israeli forces on the very day of the strike. “We launched today’s general strike with the same strength and spirit as on September 22, 2025: ‘Let’s block everything’ has been and remains the watchword in our struggle against war, against complicity with the genocidal state of Israel, and against rearmament,” the grassroots trade union Unione Sindacale di Base (USB) wrote.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2026/05/19/italy-on-strike-again-for-palestine/

Unions hit out at ‘epidemic of insecure work’ as economic fallout from Iran war revealed
UNIONS hit out at an “epidemic of insecure work” as the economic fallout from the Iran war was revealed for the first time today. Youth unemployment has risen to its highest rate in more than a decade with one in seven (14.7 per cent) 16 to 24-year-olds looking for work. .. .. ..
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/unions-hit-out-epidemic-insecure-work-economic-fallout-iran-war-revealed

“We will give our chest to your bullets, but will not cede an inch of our land”: farmers resist city expansion in southern India
Farmers in the south Indian state of Karnataka have been protesting for over a year in defense of their land. On May 10, day 426 of their protest against the notified acquisition of fertile, irrigated land in Ramanagara district to expand Bangalore city, farmers occupied the Byramangala roundabout. Cutting off all four connecting roads with bullock carts and tractors, over 3,000 farmers protested in this roundabout. Scores of cows and bulls they brought along chewed on the cattle feed in this critical node on a state highway, whose occupation disconnected the neighboring industrial areas of Bidadi and Harohalli.​ ….
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Students block access to RUM despite court order.
Students at several campuses launched demonstrations to demand the resignation of UPR President Zayira Jordán Conde after she removed several chancellors. The protesters also said the president is doing little to defend the university from budget cuts and attempts to privatize it.
https://www.sanjuandailystar.com/post/students-block-access-to-rum-despite-court-order

Workers on New York commuter rail end their strike after wage deal
The workers, represented by five labor unions, began ​their work stoppage on Saturday to force the ​state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority to agree to a new contract at the bargaining table. The workers said they had ​not received any wage increases in three years.
https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/workers-new-york-commuter-rail-end-their-strike-after-wage-deal-2026-05-19/

US claims ‘emergency refugee situation’ as it admits 10,000 more white South Africans
The US government has said it will increase the number of white South Africans it admits as refugees this year from about 7,500 to 17,500, claiming that “unforeseen developments in South Africa created an emergency refugee situation.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/19/us-government-increase-white-south-africa-refugees

Former Hartford police officer charged in fatal shooting of a Black man in mental distress
The officer, Joseph Magnano, was fired by the Hartford Police Department following the Feb. 27 shooting of Steven Jones, a 55-year-old man with a history of mental illness who had been walking through the street holding a large knife. Magnano was charged Monday by the Connecticut Inspector General after he turned himself into law enforcement, according to Hartford Police Union President James Rutkauski.
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Mining Company Opts Out of Controversial Project Near Sacred Site in Black Hills
On Thursday, May 7, a mining company announced it was stopping operations three days after tribes and advocacy organizations were granted a temporary restraining order in federal court. On May 4, the U.S. District Court of South Dakota granted a temporary restraining order to nine federally recognized tribes and three conservation nonprofit organizations, stopping a controversial drilling project that tribes say threatened a sacred site in the Black Hills. “Pete Lien & Sons, Inc. wishes to formally withdraw the Plan of Operations for the Rochford Mineral Exploration Project and requests the United States Forest Service withdraw the Decision Memo that was entered on February 27, 2026,” wrote Brian Tideman, the Chief Operating Officer of Pete & Lien & Sons to U.S. Forest Service Ranger Jim Gubbels on May 7. “Pete Lien & Sons does not intend to apply for another CE [Categorical Exclusion] or file another Plan of Operations for exploratory drilling at this site.” The mining company’s decision was widely celebrated by tribes and their advocates, with many saying that the withdrawal is a success. The project’s mining permit was recently granted by the U.S. Forest Service on February 27, 2026, where the agency issued a Decision Memo approving the Rochford Mineral Exploratory Drilling Project, near Pe’Sla.
https://unicornriot.ninja/2026/mining-company-opts-out-of-controversial-project-near-sacred-site-in-black-hills/

“There’ll be riots”: Farage gets in line to implement austerity
These days, Reform’s approach has taken a sharp pro-market turn, in order to curry favour with the capitalist elite. The party has been accepting the defection of opportunist Tories, and implementing austerity in local councils under its control – councils that are, in true establishment fashion, also swimming in corruption scandals. Farage is beginning to make it clear on which side his bread is buttered: on the side of capital, as his Reform’s list of party donors attests. Recently, Farage has come out with statements about Britain needing to become a “much tougher society”. As part of this new, “tougher” vision for the future, the Reform leader has promisedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine, Ukraine has good reason to resist Russian occupation but should be open to ceding territory in return for peace if possible. I do not buy that the Far-Right parties around the world that defend this invasion were actually le based prole-pilled geniuses the entire time. Prove me wrong.
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>>2805008
>this isn't Russia invading Ukraine
Putin was literally on live TV announcing the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Braindead zigger bots still trying to gaslight people with Kremlin talking points

saw someone say "zigger" in the wild

crazy shit out there

>>2816392
What, like IRL or on another website?

>>2815723
>>2815724
>>2815788
>You don't understand what state capitalism is. State capitalism means controlling the market with public companies so that capitalism within a country goes in a certain direction.
I know what state capitalism is, as I communist I oppose it.
>This facilitates public policies where eventually a national bourgeoisie develops and foreign capital remains under control.
Proof?
>In Brazil, unlike the state capitalism of the Vargas period, the Second Republic, the military business junta, and the New Republic, there was a dependent industrialization with a more limited state capitalism to support the interests of capitalists, which eventually led to problems that Brazilian left-wing developmentalists failed to understand.
So the state-caputalist period of Vargas lead to privatization and neoliberalism, this proves my point right, the establishment of state capitalism, if it empowers the national bourg, results in privatization policies and deindustrialization under the direction of the national bourg. Again, this is evidence that YOUR position is wrong, not mine, I DO NOT wish to empower nat bourgs, you do.
>here is no possible agreement between the national bourgeoisie and labor to reindustrialize the country when everything has already been financialized.
Again, this argument is AGAINST YOUR IDEOLOGY, when you empower the national bourg, the end up gaining power and influencez and instead of engaging in socialism they privatize state enterprises and deindustrialize.
>This means that to reindustrialize a country there must at least be the use of state capitalism and state-owned enterprises to force reindustrialization, using these enterprises to compete against private companies, no matter how many go bankrupt, to facilitate occupations, nationalizations, collectivizations, and socializations because capitalists will only speculate in the financial market anyway, and therefore only communists have solutions.
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>>2818577
socialism is a process not a static set of policies



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