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Some reading for UK /Leftypol/

Some brutal home truths about Sultana - I dont buy the muh fed stuff and Corbyn's lot haven't behaved wonderfully either but what Sultana and the screeching sects and radlibs behind her have done for the chances of YP now is just unforgivable.

https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/26016125.party-scotland-over-leadership-team-resign-en-mass/
The entire Scottish committee just resigned and are now saying they'll start their own party because they've been ignored by the Your Party CEC (for those just tuning in: Your Party aren't standing for the holyrood election because the UK party didn't care enough to register candidates)

Remember: The Corbyn (hanger on) faction controls the UK CEC!

>>2780422
Why did she do this?
Zarah is the face of all evil, truly.

>>2775314
>it hasn't produced much, but the same is true of whatever "true" grassroots leftism you want to align yourself with.
NTA but thats the effect the electoral neolib left was supposed to have, its existence prevents anything else outside of it from growing
in this sense it has been a complete success and not a failure
>but that doesn't mean it should be entirely written off
I agree but all needs to be subordinate to class from now on, that needs to be the new "litmus test" for the left
>unfortunately, here we return to the disposition of the average leftist: agreeable, open minded, and neurotic is not a good mindset for knuckling down to boring practical organizational work even before you throw in the need for conscientiousness/rule following, which is generally a trait more common on the right.
I wonder how the bolsheviks did it then? Maybe this framework of what defines leftists is self-defeating by design?
like, when you say stuff like this
>fundamentally, people's political alignment is downstream of their personality and disposition.
you have already given up to a class based understanding and delimination of politics and what being a leftist is or could be, it makes you sound like your mind has already been completely hijacked by individualist bourgeois ideology and therapy talk

>>2780501
There are plenty of freaks with their own little non-"neoliberal" non-left parties (indeed, most British "communists") qualify. They fail because they can't appeal to anyone under 60 or anyone who doesn't want to join a literal cult, not because the big bad Green party is bedblocking.

You do not have the power to subordinate anything to class. As Your Party clearly shows, the ultimate litmus test is "are you remotely capable of organising anything whatsoever?", only once that is answered can one try to organise on a class-first basis. (One would however require a useful understanding of class. The average class-first leftist really doesn't want to admit that most pensioners are something other than proles…)

The Bolsheviks existed in vastly different circumstances. You are making the Trotskyist newspaper argument (it worked in 1917!!) and you are confusing my empirical analysis (disposition correlates to political views much more strongly than class) with a normative one ("and that's a good thing")

But let's look at the Bolsheviks with a broad brush: they were surely the most progressive wing of their class, but did not have it's universal backing. There were almost certainly differences in disposition between Bolsheviks and SRs, and between left and right SRs, let alone other groups. Some misguided proletarians fought for the white army! My advice, if you wish, is that the Bolsheviks should not alienate natural Bolsheviks in a doomed attempt to win over the black hundreds. They should instead focus on being better Bolsheviks.
(And this is what the Bolsheviks would do! They could and would eject proletarian members who were insufferable dickheads with reactionary sympathies!)

Does anyone know how well Your Party and affiliated independents did at the local elections? I vaguely understand they underperformed, but nobody seems to give specifics unless you look at every local result in the entire country one by one.


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I don't know about you guys, but if you ask me the failure of the Socialist movement to back the Allies for the first 2 years of WWII is an absolutely ENORMOUS fumble that has hanged over our heads for nearly a century. It is the constant aching pain in Socialist anti-interventionist "NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR" advocacy. "You said the same thing in 1939!" is the inevitable response from Liberals whenever we oppose the latest imperialist war. Let's face it: the Liberals (for once) completely fucking owned us during the span of time from the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact's silencing of the "Crush the Nazi menace" Left up until Operation Barbarossa. Communists were trying to do entryism in the fucking AMERICA FIRST COMMITTEE. Absolutely humiliating. And it must have felt so reasonable, given that Socialists were 100% right about WWI.

So, I ask you: why did we fuck that up? Is the cause of that fuck-up perhaps still around and waiting to push the Left into neutrality on yet another extremely cut and dry war coming in the future? Did any Socialists get it right back then? What is the solution?
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>>2807406
>>2807355
>>2807388

>It is the constant aching pain in Socialist anti-interventionist "NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR" advocacy. "You said the same thing in 1939!" is the inevitable response from Liberals whenever we oppose the latest imperialist war.
Tbh I don't really hear this argument too often from libs when it comes to opposing current wars. It's not as if liberal states didn't have their own appeasement phase in the 1930s, during which time communists were leading the charge against Fascism in Germany, Spain, and elsewhere. I'd say that most people are more likely to invoke Chamberlain as the face of appeasement rather than Molotov-Ribbentrop, but that's just my experience. Molotov-Ribbentrop is more commonly invoked by liberals to prove the supposed ideological affinity between communism and fascism, not so much to attack communists as appeasers.
>So, I ask you: why did we fuck that up?
  1. Prior to Operation Barbarossa, WW2 (at least in Europe and arguably even the Pacific) was legitimately an inter-imperialist war, and without any knowledge of the full scope of Nazi imperial ambitions or genocidal intent, it would have been pretty easy to argue that they were no greater threat to socialism or the worker's movement than the Western Allies. This would have especially been the case after Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed and it looked like the Nazis were shelving their anti-communist crusade to focus on rival imperialist powers. These views were clearly mistaken, but I think it's easy to see how reasonable people in that context could have held them, especially since the clearest parallel was WW1 where communists rightly did not take a side.

  2. The Comintern was pretty clearly an instrument of Soviet foreign policy. While there is an obvious logic to this (the loss of the USSR at that time would have been a far bigger disaster for socialism than any downsides that came from subordination of the International to Moscow), it still led to some pretty obvious mistakes. Communist parties abroad flip flopped in ways that made it clear they were more concerned with Soviet geopolitical interests than class struggle in their own countries, which hurt their legitimacy. This led to some completely ridiculous orders coming out of Moscow, like telling communists in 1939-1940 not to resist German occupation in countries like Belgium or Yugoslavia because the Soviets didn't want to dama
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>>2807667
>without any knowledge of the full scope of Nazi imperial ambitions or genocidal intent
<Hey guys it's me, Adolf Hitler. I'm going to rape and kill everybody and commit genocide and stuff. Listen closely, because this quote will be very famous: "If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!". Probably going to put that quote on posters and stuff, just to make sure everybody knows what my intentions are. I got the idea from while I was on LeftyPol. Everybody who agrees, reach for my LeftyPol T-shirt and say "Sieg Heil!"
<Awesome, very nice. Don't forget to subscribe and smash that mf like button!
It could not have possibly been that difficult to know what he was going to do, right?

>>2807698
>It could not have possibly been that difficult to know what he was going to do, right?
Prior to Hitler both Germany and most other capitalist powers had committed similar atrocities, on similar scales, using similar means. This is after the Namibian genocide, the Belgian Congo, Manifest Destiny, multiple famines in British India, and centuries of conquest, slaughter, and theft by the very powers which were now opposing Germany and posturing as defenders of humanity and civilization. Belgium alone killed around 10 million people in the Congo, which is comparable to the number the Nazis killed in the camps. The concentration camp, eugenics, and racial hygiene laws had all already been implemented in America, the British Empire, and elsewhere. Brutal white terrors aiming at the eradication of socialism had already been unleashed in numerous countries, often with the support or participation of those same Western powers. The Nazis weren't really all that special when it came to this. The only two things that really set them apart were systematization of the killing (i.e. it was far more meticulously organized, planned, executed, and documented than what preceded it), as well as the fact that Europeans rather than colonized people were the primary victims. In fact were it not for the invasion of the USSR, you could potentially argue that the Nazis were no more reactionary than Britain, France, and America.

>why is it that even though the USSR knew war with Nazi Germany was inevitable they still ordered other Communist movements to weaken the allies?

If it makes you feel better the USSR had been helping the germans violate the treaty of Versailles since like 1925.


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>Erik Prince, founder of the private security firm Blackwater, has established significant ties to China through the Hong Kong-listed Frontier Services Group (FSG), serving as its chairman (later deputy chairman) to act as the primary security provider for China's Belt and Road Initiative, particularly in Africa and Central Asia. While promoting "One Belt One Road" initiatives, FSG was linked to a 2019 deal to build a training center in China's Xinjiang region.
>FSG established operations in Iraq in 2018.
Genuinely how do liberals justify this? blackwater returned to my country under the flag of red investors, not to speak of my African brothers under their yoke now. Your naked opportunism and betrayal is revolting and we will struggle against it till the end of times.
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The thread that raped the /prc/

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>saged
>the social chauvinist faggot mods are blackwater apologists

lole

>>2808192
Based mods, total Islamist death

>>2808736
The Islamists in question are charred corpses of your masters hanged by Iraqi bvlls

>>2807415
libertarian Zionists who want to lower the age of consent, also known as Zionists


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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04x1lg1lygo

oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

chagos was too short or empty

All these islands will be under water in a decade or three anyway, vengeance is justified

chagosxisters i don't feel so good…

>>2777589
/usapol/ can rejoice. The left-imperialists have succeeded.

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>>2808162
bri'ish


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Get a MilkV Jupiter, make a 3D printed PCIe slot for a PCBway printed circuit board, wire LiteX and ECP5 NAND and NOR programmed for memory storage, then add PETG, ABS, ASA, Nylon, or polycarbonate from a 3D printer (FreeCAD, KiCAD or Fusion 360), phosphor bronze or beryllium copper contacts and gold plating (optional but ideal). Print the insulating body. Insert stamped contacts, spring contacts, or pogo-pin style terminals, and solder wires or PCB traces to the contacts.

Then, connect it to your MilkV Jupiter as an alternative to SD/eMMC/NVMe. Do this for your other two or three MilkV Mars nodes as well, and do this for your router Jupiter board (will discuss later). Then snap the Jupiter/Mars into a development board to wipe the firmware on the DDR4 controllers and install UberDDR3 or custom DDR3 (PhD-level project), which is open source. Then take a Ovrdrive USB flash drive and flash Gentoo Linux onto the MilkV Jupiter board, take another Ovrdrive USB flash drive for decryption of desktops using KeePassXC (will need LUKS for full disc encryption). Then connect a Modos paper display, a Keyboardio model 01 keyboard, Ploopy mouse, passive speakers and a Logitech Quickcam Express 1999 web cam. Then when setting up Gentoo, refuse any and all proprietary packages, block any proprietary packages in nftables, also harden the kernel and secure the bootchain. Then run Sway from Wayland over it. Then make sure you got nftables installed, as well as kvm/qemu, firejail, fail2ban, PyShark, a custom SOCKS5 proxy written in Python w/ X25519, Poly1305, ChaCha20 and Kyber for cryptographic post-quantum protection, w/ libsodium, PQClean and OpenSSL integration, as well as using GNU Icecat, ELinks or GNUNet/GNUNet CADET/GNUNet FS (File Sharing)/gnunet-vpn for web browsing services.

For self-hosting emails, use ipserver.su for VPS Cloud hosting (do NOT use your homeserver for this!), register a domain with either .su, .to, .rw, .in or .st ccTLD, don't reveal any revealing information on your website to host your emails off of, use proper OPSEC, don't reveal any personally identifiable information in the DNS records either, use Mozilla Thunderbird or Roundcube for the webmail client, block any connections to 8.8.8.8/1.1.1.1/9.9.9.9 (public DNS) via nftables. Use SMTP, PGP and E2E encryption for all emails via Anti-DDoS Flood Protection and Firewall by Conor McKnight on Github, Haproxy-protection + alonz22/haproxy-dashboard or some other open source DDoS miPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2808071
sincerely doubt

>>2808051
To what end?

>>2808051
>Making your own memory
Holy fucking schizo. No intelligence agency can backdoor memory chips. If you're that paranoid you should worry about the chips on the board the memory is going on to, not the memory itself.

>>2808051
fucking BASED if you can afford to do it desu.

>>2808051
Imagine how much you could accomplish if you managed to get your ADHD under control


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/centurion-project-alberta-voters-list-leak-9.7191390
>Elections Alberta issues cease-and-desist letters over voter info breach, privacy commissioner launches probe
>Questions swirl around Alberta separatist group Centurion Project's searchable database
>Elections Alberta’s bid for a permanent injunction against the separatist group known as the Centurion Project and the Republican Party of Alberta is set for a special hearing in the Court of King’s Bench later this summer. (CBC)
>Cease-and-desist letters have been sent to more than 500 Albertans who accessed a searchable database containing the personal information of millions of voters in the province, while a new investigation into the affair has been launched.

TL;DR US backed colour revolution organizers got sloppy and accidentally leaked that they illegally shared the personal information of 3 million Canadians with Americans.

Jason Kenny is the former leader of the leader of the United Conservative Party of Alberta. His personal information was leaked by the American collaborators. He is now receiving threats. The information was leaked on the US hosted websites of the Centurion Project and the Republican Party of Alberta. If an anon could point us in the direction of this database, we would appreciate it. If any of Alberta's billionaires were on the list, their information would also be very much appreciated. Many of Alberta's billionaires are climate change denying oil barons, so they deserve this more than anyone.


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Once most human jobs can be automated and therefore our labor and continued existence has no inherent value to the economic system, will the asset-owning class just exterminate us all?
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>>2808084
To G.K. it would all boil down into the contradictory interests of the rulers against the ruled once the workers/proles have become declassed.

>>2808086
Upkeep and directives are different jobs from all the prior tasks of manual labor, with different requirements and "specialization". The dispossessed laborers may or may not be able to get to be involved in the managerial roles of machinery lacking qualifications, or the managerial role of machinery being solely given to the bourgeois. It implies leading workers from different fields into solely becoming technical experts for the maintenance of machinery. That would mean a seamless transition into having a hold of the mop.

>>2808088 (Me)
And morons keep straw-manning "automation isn't automation because the machines aren't autonomous", that is not what automation is implied for, it is dishonest language games. We all know damn well what automation means, no one is implying "it will work for itself without interference" you subhuman retards.

>>2808088
Most don't accept it because they believe "managerial duty" i.e. oversight is a legitimate job, when in the capitalist mode of production it can only be the task of the bourgeois and petite-bourgeois who have control over the resources.

In the advent of a sweatshop business firing its workers to have machines take their task in production, those sweatshop workers will not be the ones managing the machines and they likely won't even be the ones doing maintenance. They will likely have to find employment somewhere else.
Who will manage the machines then? Likely either higher-ups or qualified employees which come from a more prestigious background. Technical workers who perform maintenance also require specialization in the field due to the division of labor.

>>2808092
I have much to say about this, but it is completely pointless trying to express it over the internet.
Its best to wait and observe, write up to date analysis of production and the economic relations of this time.


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Surely before capitalism, civilizations still were dominant and based on the haves and have nots, just in different forms. So how can people avoid that being the case beyond capitalism? it seems like class dominance exists well outside of capitalism in multiple societies, how is this addressed, do the anarchists have some points about hereiechy? I think they take it far but shouldnt marxists be using materialism to study all authortarian class relationships not just industrial capitalism?
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marxists must come up with a trans-historical metric of economic exploitation in order to prove that new classes will never arise in any future society

>>2795029
This book is awful and full of misinformation

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Manlets WILL be the underclass.

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>>2794562
subsistence, surplus, and conditional access to surplus are all dynamics that exist in the animal kingdom. hierarchy predates humanity. class is just socially constructed hierarchy around restricting access to surplus. As soon as an animal is capable of producing more than it needs to survive, it has a extra AKA "surplus". This surplus becomes fought over at the level of the community. It can be redistributed, hoarded, or have access to it be made conditional on behaviors like loyalty (obey me and I'll give you some of my stuff) and reproduction (have sex with me and I'll give you some of my stuff). In a society that is industrial, surplus is so large that scarcity becomes largely artificial. Society produces more than enough for everyone to live, including the old, the disabled, the babies, but access to the surplus is made conditional on offering yourself up for exploitation. Sometimes so much is produced that prices crash. Rather than redistribute the surplus, it is destroyed to stabilize the prices. This shows that in any society that produces more than it needs to survive, surplus has its access restricted based on loyalty to the class system. People who say "we can't afford to redistribute this" are really saying "We want to maintain our leverage over the poor and weak, because our leverage allows us to keep enriching ourselves at their expense one generation after the next."

Marx says all this using 19th century language and Hegelian forms of expression in Capital but the essence of it is here. He describes "modes of production" based on different forms of exploited labor: Slavery, serfdom, wage labor.

>>2797357
meh, they might. instead anti-marxists must come up with a trans-historical metric to explain why class cuckery is justified in present society instead of class struggle


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This history of socialism shows, with perfect clarity, that a fully planned economy is plainly inferior to a socialist market economy. This is not to say that fully planned economies are bad, they absolutely do have their strengths. But economies that are partially planned, directed rather than dictated, have all of the same strengths, while being infinitely more flexible. The socialism of then may have raised millions out of poverty, but it was the socialism of now century that raised them into luxury, luxury greater than anything the capitalist world has ever been able to provide.

Western "Marxists" are fucking obsessed with the idea of command economies. Half of them say that AES states are not actually socialist; this is wrong. The other half says that AES states have only temporarily adopted markets, and will return to the Golden Path as soon as possible; this is also wrong, and much more egregiously so, be because it requires ignorance of and/or cognitive dissonance towards the official statements and actions made by these nations.

Western "Marxist" arguments in favor of command economies are, likewise generally rooted in ignorance, not understanding that the lifestyles they have/aspire to would be unfeasible within a purely planned system. Those that are not rooted in ignorance are instead rooted in aceticism, in poverty worship, in an intellectual cancer that must be rooted out by whatever means necessary.

Sure, we may, at some point, obviate markets. But it would require a fundamental change in the means of production that, by my calculations, is far, far away from where we are now.

In any case, you would do yourself well to stop worshipping the corpses of Stalin and Mao and join the rest of us in the 21st century.
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>>2806891
and now theres a big chance we will go back because climate change could destroy everything
It would be funny but also painful

>>2806894
while I understand the sentiment,the planet cannot sustain that lifestyle at all nowadays
And even "back in the day" there was a massive period of famine and deaths caused by the growth of human demographics + disappearance of mega-fauna.
nowadays the only mega fauna that exist are elephants,and whales,which are endangered anyway,so no that is unthinkable even if we were to come even close to 1 million people (forgetting the disaster that would result in a population loss this extreme,it's not just haha people dying,it's a massive logistical nightmare)

>>2806904
so its joever if things go that bad?

>>2806794
>more corruption
yes very nlike "free" markets

lmao

>>2804670
Stop noticing things, Gucci is real Communism


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"Anti-Dogmatism" is not "Pro-Revisionism", "Anti-Revisionism" is not "Pro-dogmatism": Neither Dogmatism Nor Revisionism!

Marx and Engels did not present Marxism as a frozen doctrine; they treated it as a materialist method that develops with concrete historical conditions. So not every theoretical development or strategic adaptation is “revisionism.” At the same time, this does not mean every departure from revolutionary politics can be defended as “non-dogmatic flexibility.” In the Marxist–Leninist sense, revisionism refers to revisions that liquidate the revolutionary and class basis of Marxism under the banner of adaptation.

So both errors should be rejected:

>using “revisionist” as an empty factional insult against any disagreement or development;

AND

>using “anti-dogmatism” to justify abandoning class struggle, proletarian power, or communism itself.

Historical Examples


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