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I've had enough of watching these Zionist assholes get away with everything. I'm ready to hear you all out and I've got a foot out the door into being a communist. What are your solutions?
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>>2855112
>What are your solutions?
War of national liberation against israel. If youre talking abous jewSA instead the problem seems to be evangelical christians corrupted by israel.

>>2855112
>these Zionist assholes
Capitalists are also bad even if they aren't zionists

>>2855112
bro this picture is hideous bro

>>2855112
A revolutionary socialist party striving for the supremacy of the proletariat must remain independent of the bourgeoisie in order to propagate its ideas among the masses. To this end, it requires an anti-imperialist policy based on solidarity with workers worldwide and opposition to any financing of financial capital's dominance abroad—without exception; this includes arms sales, loans, and aid that sustain capitalist-imperialist hegemony.

Necessary political slogans include: guaranteed public employment; a reduction in the workday; wage equality within unions, alongside the removal of all barriers preventing the formation and action of radical unions; the abolition of contracts with private companies in favor of public enterprises that compete against private firms in the market; the unionization of all workers; and labor and civil rights for all workers—including immigrants—with wage parity vis-à-vis native workers and compensation for any intensified exploitation, with the cost always borne by the capitalists. Furthermore, workers must have the legal right to pursue litigation at the capitalists' expense, and pensions must be removed from the realm of financial speculation, becoming a public guarantee controlled by the pensioners themselves, with costs covered by the capitalists who exploited the workers, backed by state guarantees. Maternity and paternity must be guaranteed by the government, and the cost of child-rearing must be borne by society; society bears the responsibility of caring for the elderly and the disabled.

All banks must be nationalized and controlled by a workers' council—free of speculators and capitalists—to regulate the minimum wage by linking it to the cost of food and workers' necessities, thereby minimizing the impact of inflation on the workforce. All government spending must be transparent and overseen by a popular workers' council to politicize every public expenditure through participatory budgeting; any fiscal responsibility laws must be abolished. Public enterprises are to be managed by workers' councils, excluding capitalists. Public debts must be audited, and all obligations and contracts with private companies reviewed, with the aim of ending speculation on public debt and bankrupting private firms so that cooperatives and public enterprises can dominate; cheap credit and debt should be usedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2877984
this text is 80% likely to be AI generated.



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Why dont they just kill all palestinians? They could end this conflict once and all if they just rounded-up everyone from gaza and the west bank and shot them. Literally nothing is stopping them and nobody would care or try to prevent them if they did.
Yet they don't, why?
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>>2860092
>Actually, killing people in mass quatities is hard and costly. Specially if you want to use the land they lived on AND you don't want to anger the neighbourgs. One recent example is how Rojava abandoned a big islamist prison to be taken by the turkish proxies. Rojava didn't have the time nor the resources to kill the +1000 islamists there in hours.

I bet washington just said "no" and "keep going south, though, and rounding up arabs, we need them for later". And the rest is irony, i mean, history.

guys i suspect israel might be a fake country

>>2829924
>Why dont they just kill all palestinians?
What do you think they're doing?
>Yet they don't, why?
Cat's often like to play with their catches before they kill them. Also it's better for them and their Western partners to go slow enough that they can keep it off the news.

>>2862689
>They need to exploit the Palestinians for cheap labor
This is such a bizzare cope, Israelis have a higher birth-rate then Palestinians and they have a proper working class

>>2877953
The state is the apparatus of the bourgeoisie



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Iran is reversing decades worth of infrastructure and presence built by the US in the Middle East since Iraq. Iran is uniting the muslim world against a common enemy to bring the arrival of the 12th imam (the mahdi), ending with the destruction of Israel and the US. Türkiye is feuding with Israel and can cut off Azeri oil through their territory if they wanted to. Not saying that Erdoğan will. Iran has killed 11 US soldiers and 1 contractor, killed many more Israeli soldiers and civilians (along with Hezbollah). Israel has already been kicked out of Lebanon twice since the 1982 Lebanon War/South Lebanon Conflict (1985-2000) and the 2006 Lebanon War. I predict it might happen again when you combine the Iranian front to add on top of all this. Right now it's just Iran and Hezbollah vs. the US, Israel and Ukraine. Turkey might join. Russia is already giving satellite information to Iran. A ground invasion is imminent. Expect substantial US casualties.

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Say goodbye to cheap aluminum everyone

>>2877847
>Iran is uniting the muslim world
Proof?

>>2877847
>Iran is reversing decades worth of infrastructure and presence built by the US in the Middle East since Iraq.
yeah
>Iran is uniting the muslim world against a common enemy
nah. the gulf monarchies love money
>Iran has killed 11 US soldiers and 1 contractor,
way way more than that. USA is lying about their deaths in this war



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What does leftypol think of left anarchism/left Libertarianism?

Do you consider it "liberal" and how would you compare it to left authoritarianism and right libertarianism?
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>>2877912
read marx

>>2877933
You read Marx

>>2877952
>no u
"Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat." - K. Marx

"Under collective ownership, the so-called will of the people disappears, to make way for the real will of the cooperative" - K. Marx

"When the people are beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick.'" - M. Bakunin

I'm not interested in arguing with some hasanabi hot topic socialist who doesn't even know the strengths and weaknesses of what he professes to believe.

>>2877963
When we're talking about the dictatorship of the proletariat we are talking about a period of emergency rule when classes are liquidated. This doesn't necessarily equal despotism or state violence. Secondly, when Bakunin talks about the people beaten with a stick he doesn't put forward what kind of class character the coercive power of the state would convey in Marx's view and what his alternative to proletarian emergency rule is. There's never been an anarchist revolution without the People's Stick. Bakunin doesn't actually address the contradiction and went into weird shit like participating secret societies to organize insurgencies and terror as opposed to parties which would be able to create a workers' state.

>>2877963
"Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom. He is presently in Sweden, where he is hatching “revolution” with the Finns." - K Marx
I am not interested in people who think a fat pedophile arguing about sticks counts as a valid critique of communism. Hierarchy arises out of the social/economic conditions and can only cease to be through actual changing of those conditions, which can only be brought about with the people's stick. Change the world and change the need for hierarchical forms of social organization



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I want Trump to establish a Presidential Dictatorship so the collapse of the United States will be accelerated.

Trump does not care about anything but his ego and his family's name, he is a fascist, he is a capitalist, he is the embodiment of everything wrong with America.

The Democrats need to win the 2026 midterms to take congress for any of this to happen, currently Trump has launched the largest millitary purge in US history, only selecting loyal personnel. I believe he is planning to use the millitary at some point to suspend congress if the democrats try to impeach him, or try to force him to 2 terms, EITHER WAY, we need this to happen.

If Trump were to suspend congress civil war would immediately or eventually start, im certain of this.
And also im not asking for you guys to vote democrat in 2028, if anything vote for the DSA in 2028 since they are running nationally then.

So lets get the collapse started guys
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>>2861432
>race war
retard

>>2861432
>Either way I’m abandoning this shithole
i hope wherever you go they hang you

>>2861432
DSA is a White party made up of rich White men with Aryan wives.

>>2861453
large if factual

>>2861383
People still hate the previous status quo and know that it will offer them nothing



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What are the best arguments for or against third-worldism?

>Is there a true “proletariat” within the global north?

>How culpable are the rank and file citizenry in first world nations?
>Do first world nations have potential for proletarian revolution from within, or can they only be destroyed externally by “proletarian nations”?
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>>2849563
>What are the best arguments for or against third-worldism?
for: it makes americans mad
against: it isnt communism

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>>2849563
Duginism ruined third worldism.

How? Duginism turned third worldism into boomer tier tradcucking and moralizing about interventionalism in the same way 1st worldists do, except instead of "human rights" now it is tradcuck "because god said so" and third worldism stupidly anti-Machiavellian.

I honestly I can't sympathize with 3rd worldists because they have become mimics and mirrors to 1st worldists–now it is about being as "anti-secular" as possible when many 3rd world regimes were built by secularists and nationalists. Now (due to Iran's influence) ultraclericalism. Now, they're pro-interventionalist on any faggy pretense as much as 1st worldists are.

The worst part about the new religious doctrine of third worldism, as espoused by Duginism, is that all it does is play into the 1st worldists' hands–they love nothing more than to divide and conquer based on religious sectarian fronts, esp. in the Middle East, as that was the original pretext against mobilizing proxy wars against the Soviet Union.



 

One of the most hollowing things about being a leftoid is just how much bad behavior is automatically given to you just because you want to live in a world where people don't starve or whatever and there could be more free time to do well whatever the fuck uyghas want to do. Yet leftoids are said to always have these Dysgenetic traits while rightiods get to portray themselves as the yes chad and we get saddled with soyjaks and shit. Even people who are just vaguely sympathetic to our cause is also getting that treatment and other such shit. "Conservatives/Chuds are the real punk rock/edgelords/contrarians" "Conservatives/Chuds are the real tolerant people", "Conservatives are all fit" yet if you ever bring up rural/urban obesity rates or notice how fucking ugly, the very obvious gap in autism score s between rightiods and leftoids, how much social conservatives have larger amygladas (Thus they feel fear and disgust more, not very stoic of them), how they think they can't even win a fight against DONALD TRUMP or even worse MID LOOKING all these rightiod look like and yet you still have vtubers and shit saying they want to be impregnated by Asmongold!

Being a leftoid is basically having no fucking ego defense and you have to be much more fit, intelligent and other such qualities to get ass while centroid/chud men get it easier despite them not even needing to be HALF of any of things we have to do.
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>>2862311
Bruh how is that empiricism?
Its vibes based not senses based

>>2862316
reams of survey data
(i sense this will not be a productive conversation.)

>>2862324
Where did they survey?
Your ass?

>you look bad!
<no, you look bad!
Everyone itt is formaly invited to looksmax.org

>>2829352
>It's a miracle Mamdani won after humiliating himself at the weight lifting attempt.
it's not the bush years anymore. nobody cares about that gay shit



 

It's very unlikely but since Trump has vocally been calling for annexations and Canada is moving out of the American imperial orbit, is it really possible that a regime change war against Canada is possible?
The US is already funding Albertian separatists and the American bourgesisie want direct ownership over Canadian oil, plus couping carney with somebody else wouldn't be much hard.

Again I would like to support some revolutionary defeatism so i wouldn't mind
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>>2862154
>>2862155
It's from a Micheal Roberts article on the mechanics of capitalist imperialism. Worth a read for sure.
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/

>>2862154
apparently theres a historical materialism conference and this data (linked by sabo) was is a result of that

>>2823756
>Hey Grok which Canadian province has the most oil reserves
It is the occupied territory of Alberta, which is under the oppression of the woke communists in Ottawa. Everyday, Albertans suffer under conditions comparable to the white genocide in South Africa. If Elon Musk, the most intelligent man in the world, were premier, it would be the richest country in the world.

>>2855456
>sounds unlikely. Unless the US were stupid enough to create serious discrimination like refusing them any political representation, I wouldnt even bet on any significant resistance that could endure their large scale, surveillance powered death squad anti insurgency tactics.

considering the rhetoric from annexationists and from a lot of americans is them proclaiming they'll turn the country into a territory i don't think people will lie down for that

>>2862287
fake grok, give me the real grok



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Will Israel Exist in 15 years?
Nearly 10 years ago Ali Khamenei claimed that Israel won’t exist in 25 years, do you still think he was right?
I hope he was but all of the countries surrounding Israel are either failed states or basically Vichy France. However I bet Egypt could possibly have a revolution in the next 10 years and elect some nationalist who would pressure Israel.
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The Palestinians in Israel Proper are enthusiastic collaborators, those in the West Bank are wallowing in nihilism and have politically disengaged, and those in Gaza have effectively been solved at this point. Meanwhile Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria are crawling on top of each other racing to be the first to kiss the ground at Israel's feet. It's absolutely over.

in 15 years israel will be a full theocracy and openly commit genocide without any hasbara apologetics.

Climate collapse means a lot of shit won't exist

no fucken way mate. cunts fucked.

>>2860941
>Will Israel Exist in 15 years?
maybe, maybe not



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There is a recurring tendency within revolutionary politics to greet every crisis with optimism. Inflation rises, wages stagnate or fall, housing becomes unaffordable, ecological collapse accelerates, governments become increasingly reactionary, and someone inevitably declares that these are "good." Not because they are good in themselves, but because they are believed to contain the seeds of revolutionary transformation. The suffering of the present is interpreted as the midwife of a liberated future.

This tendency is neither confined to the political left nor unique to the twenty-first century. Throughout the history of capitalism, socialists, anarchists, communists, as well as fascists, liberals, and conservatives have all, at different moments, imagined catastrophe as politically clarifying. The wager is simple. The contradictions of society intensify until they become unbearable, forcing people to abandon old illusions, confront reality, and take action, lawful or otherwise.

Whether this wager is correct remains one of the most difficult questions facing revolutionary politics. The phrase "things have to get worse before they get better" expresses an intuition rooted in historical materialism. If the existing order continues to satisfy enough people's immediate needs, then those people have relatively little incentive to overthrow it. Reform appears preferable to revolution. Stability reproduces consent. Capitalism is not static. It generates recurring crises. Falling profitability, unemployment, debt, environmental destruction, imperial conflict, housing shortages, and declining public services are not external accidents but recurring features of the system itself. From this perspective, worsening conditions expose capitalism's inability to meet human needs. This is not obviously irrational. Revolutions rarely emerge during periods of widespread prosperity. They tend to occur during crises.

Yet this observation immediately confronts a second one. Most crises do not produce revolution, they produce exhaustion. Misery is not consciousness. The assumption that suffering naturally radicalizes people confuses necessity with possibility. Material hardship creates grievances. It does not automatically create revolutionary consciousness. A worker facing eviction may join a tenants' union. The same worker may instead blame immigrants, or become politically apathetic, or devote every waking hour simply to surviving. The crisis itselPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2861844
>kidnapper, extortionist
source?

>>2860245
that says a lot of things about communism. Both good and bad

>>2860262
doesn't that just bolster the point the other anon was making. he was talking about how remarkably non-proletarian some of the most famous communists are. He said "in a time where most people did not get a university education." the fact that they still don't makes his point understated not overstated.

>>2860245
>Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Castro: None of them were proles.
Yeah but the last two were libs

>>2861894
you're a bigger lib if you think that



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