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Leftypol is seriously lacking when it comes to a yugoslavia thread. It may not exist on a map, but it still is carried in the hearts of many, and it's vision was not extinguished by it's destruction, it is like a star, though it may long since been dead, it shines bright upon many around the universe, and serves as an image displaying the light and truth.
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It's hard to dislike Tito as a person but i don't know what he was thinking rejecting the USSR like that. Most politically retarded man alive.

>>2894919
The Soviets did have a tendency to treat their allies like proxies, as the Chinese observed later on. Also Tito's beef was legitimate. The Greek communists needed help and Stalin wanted to leave them to die to appease British imperialism. As always an open split was going too far but the Yugos had good reasons to be angry.


>>2894918


That's just all marxist-leninism at this point. all state socialism. yes all

Mandatory



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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/08/18/yvoe-a18.html

On Monday, August 10, a court in Pervomaisk, Ukraine, convicted the Ukrainian socialist Bogdan Syrotiuk of high treason under martial law and sentenced him to 15 years in prison for having called for the unity of Russian and Ukrainian workers against war.

The response to the verdict has been significant and widespread. Nearly 500 people in more than 40 countries, Ukraine and Russia among them, have signed the petition for Bogdan’s release or written letters of protest since the sentencing, and the petition now stands at more than 6,000 names. Historians, doctors, teachers and pensioners have written to the court demanding that the conviction be overturned.

This response stands in sharp contrast to the silence of the major media outlets in the United States and, in particular, the New York Times. The Times has never reported on Bogdan’s case, either his arrest and imprisonment on April 25, 2024, or his sentencing on August 10.

The Times cannot plead ignorance. On Tuesday, August 11, David North, the chairman of the World Socialist Web Site (WSWS) International Editorial Board, wrote to Philip Pan, the international editor of the Times, calling on the paper to cover the case. North pointed out that on the day of Bogdan’s sentencing the Times had published a report headlined “Russian Court Bars Country’s Only Antiwar Party From Running for Parliament,” which noted the seven-year sentence given to the Yabloko party’s deputy chairman, Maxim Kruglov, for a 2022 social media post, while the paper had printed nothing about a Ukrainian sentenced to more than twice that term.

“If the suppression of antiwar political activity in Russia warrants extensive reporting—and it certainly does—then the sentencing of a Ukrainian socialist to 15 years in prison for activities that include publishing antiwar articles warrants no less serious scrutiny,” North wrote.

The Times did not reply. One week after Bogdan’s sentencing, it published a front-page article titled “Held by Russia, Ukrainian Feels ‘Crushing’ Fear,” with a nine-minute produced audio version. It reports on Artem Murdid, a Ukrainian bank worker arrested in occupied Melitopol in March 2023 and sentenced by a Russian court to life in prison on terrorism charges.

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This war is so fucking sick. Worst part is people taking sides and pretending like its some kind of fun video game to debate about on reddit.

Is Zelensky a stalinist?

>>2894905
No industrialization, no stalinism.

>>2894905
poroshenko banned communist parties, zelensky banned socialist parties, ended elections, and further privatized the eeconomy, with guidance from the US ruling class. zelensky is like a yeltsin's yeltsin



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I have come to a serious realization.

The essence of communism is not the nationalization of the means of production. That is a byproduct of a more fundamental change in society.

The essence of communism is the government directly controlling labor i.e. people.

>besides the point, but interesting video you should check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZN8hmkSZU

A new government telling YOU to what to work on and where to work, given your capabilities and resources in the rest of society.
And this is objectively Good if the new government is Good.

This is a core redpill that is too hard to swallow for retards and normies. Those who understand need to evangelize the commie sigma grindset because the human capital for communism is very rare. That mindset is the Hive-mind. Broken people reject the hive-mind when it is an unavoidable prerequisite for communism. We will not be able to build communism with people broken and alienated by crapitalism. As crapistalism turns even worse, more and more of the entreprolecariat will gnosticpill themselves. The result is nihilism for the wealth accumulators and suicide for the rest. It will be a total dark age because human development and the divine reaching for the stars is possible only through social practice of actual vigor. All the good people are dying and returning to the pleroma. There are fewer and fewer people left to make communism work.

We will not see communism come back anytime soon because those that can do it, won't.
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>>2860715
I mean hey, if that's the word you like to use. I don't think you can honestly say, though, that it doesn't have a negative connotation in the western psyche. Gemeinwesen, however, is the explicit Marxian term which I believe has been articulated by Bordiga others in his vein, and has its own delicate German connotation and etymology.

If you have spare time consult these…ah I see he does mention 'community' a lot in the manuscripts but among the most powerful is the one more on point with hivemind'. The text is 'estranged labor' and the term is 'Gattungswesen' or 'species-being'. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm mandatory reading for leftypol in general

>>2860947
I'll read it.
And yes it does have a negative connotation. Either you are viewed as naïve, a fool, or an opressor authority figure. Atomized individuals are on the entrepreneur worship train and they aren't getting off.

>>2860724
we live rent free in your head

why do you avatarfag as this bad pirate show from the 90s

>>2877941
Because I like it, at least parts of it that trigger my loosh. And it inspired Skies of Arcadia and some other things.



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Questions about a theoretical communist state:

How would accreditation work under communism. Say there is a construction project. How would the materials be assessed to be of high enough quality, how would the plumbing electricity, etc be assessed to have been installed in a safe way? If one has to go into surgery how can they be sure that the medical team is operating in a properly sanitized environment without state set standards for what that would be?
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>>2893392
>without state set standards for what that would be?
"State" in marxism refers to the bureaucratic and military apparatus deployed to safeguard the interest of the bourgeoisie. This sort of administration would be abolished, just like the bourgeois revolutions in the late 19th/early 20th century abolished monarchical States.
For the administration of things, which is what you refer by State, these would be done by the people through democratic means. There's no reason that democratic assemblies could not confer oversight for regulations and safety norms to specific organs.

>>2895072
Are you going to respond to a video call at a random time of day with everyone else in the country, if not the world, to discuss and decide on regulations?

>>2893392
I suggest you read Marxist texts on the definition of the state. The state is an instrument through which one class oppresses another, because a class-based society is characterized by irreconcilable antagonisms between property owners, both against one another and against those who lack property, which inevitably lead to conflict. For this reason, an entity separate from and alienated from this society emerges to provide a certain hypocritical “order” that maintains the ruling classes in power within a class-based society.

<The state is therefore by no means a power imposed on society from without; just as little is it “the reality of the moral idea,” “the image and the reality of reason,” as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is a product of society at a particular stage of development; it is the admission that this society has involved itself in insoluble self-contradiction and is cleft into irreconcilable antagonisms which it is powerless to exorcise. But in order that these antagonisms, classes with conflicting economic interests, shall not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, a power, apparently standing above society, has become necessary to moderate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of “order”; and this power, arisen out of society, but placing itself above it and increasingly alienating itself from it, is the state.


<In contrast to the old gentile organization, the state is distinguished firstly by the grouping of its members on a territorial basis. The old gentile bodies, formed and held together by ties of blood, had, as we have seen, become inadequate largely because they presupposed that the gentile members were bound to one particular locality, whereas this had long ago ceased to be the case. The territory was still there, but the people had become mobile. The territorial division was therefore taken as the starting point and the system introduced by which citizens exercised their public rights and duties where they took up residence, without regard to gens or tribe. This organization of the citizens of the state according to domicile is common to all states. To us, therefore, this organization seems natural; but, as we have seen, hard and protracted struggles were necessary before it was able in Athens and Rome to displace the old
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There would be a state, just under a different name. Just how money would be labor credits.

Unless people evolve new psychological biological, functions, the state will take care of the deficiencies.

>>2893537
You are the idiot, because you are the anarkiddie.

>>2895103
Why change the name to begin with? To deceive people?
Engels (1872):
<These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm



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>>2895019
China is the chain that binds along with America that’s why they’re chimerica, you would have me working 28 hour shifts for productive forces

>>2894957
>Marxslop

What website do you think you are? 4chimps is that way.

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>>2894969
you have yet to do so

>>2894983
he died in 1883 at least look it up before saying stuff



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SACP takes aim at ANC-run municipalities as it launches election manifesto
The SACP said millions of South Africans were working and paying their way through life but were still unable to live with dignity. “Councillors vanish between elections,” the party said, accusing local political representatives of losing touch with the communities they are elected to serve. “This is not the democracy our people fought for. The party’s decision to contest the elections independently marks a significant political departure and is aimed at giving the working class its own candidates and political programme at municipal level.
https://africadaily.co.za/sacp-takes-aim-at-anc-run-municipalities-as-it-launches-election-manifesto/
https://archive.ph/9d50L

Observers report intimidation and violence during Zambian elections
Calls for a toning down of rhetoric came from observers, including those from the Southern African Development Community and the European Union, as Thursday’s votes continued to be counted. Vote counting was temporarily suspended on Friday following reports of violence against polling staff and the alleged theft of ballot papers. Counting resumed hours later after the electoral commission said the “security threat to the electoral process had been contained,” said Al Jazeera’s Haru Mutasa, reporting from the capital, Lusaka.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/observers-report-intimidation-and-violence-during-zambian-elections

Germany rethinks law protecting politicians from insults
Variations of this view find consensus across Germany’s fractured political spectrum. The far-left Left Party and far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party want the law abolished outright, while the CDU, Greens and center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) all support revising it. “Politicians like Friedrich Merz insult ordinary people in this country every day by calling them lazy or malingerers,” said Luke Hoss, a Left lawmaker, referring to the chancellor’s remarks that Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Puerto Rico Rations Water to 180,000 Properties Amid Drought
The cuts affect seven regions normally supplied by the reservoir and are disrupting water service for hundreds of thousands of people. As the rationing takes effect, residents in affected areas have been lining up at water trucks sent to distribute supplies. Puerto Rico recorded its driest July on record, while 68% of the island is currently experiencing drought conditions, according to the government. The U.S. Drought Monitor classifies conditions across most of the territory as moderate to severe.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/puerto-rico-rations-water-amid-drought/

US Navy destroyer adrift in South China Sea for four days after losing power
The USS Benfold, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer which had been sailing with the George Washington carrier strike group, was reported to have been towed to Subic Bay in the Philippines, according to the US Naval Institute News, an independent military publication.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/17/us-navy-destroyer-south-china-sea

Mamdani backs new protections for workers delivering packages
The Delivery Protection Act, sponsored by New York City Council Member Tiffany L. Cabán, would increase licensing requirements for companies that operate delivery-focused warehouse facilities, opening the door to expanded safety, training, and resources for delivery workers. Companies like Amazon frequently subcontract last-mile delivery to these types of facilities, leaving workers in a murky gray area without the traditional protections afforded to those who work directly for the retail giants.
https://www.businessinsider.com/mamdani-backs-protections-for-workers-delivering-amazon-packages-in-nyc-2026-8

Alarm raised over ‘privacy dilemma’ of facial recognition technology at Coles and Woolworths
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It's funny they put Mamdani and Erdogan next to the ayatollah and nasrallah #2 because they pose as much real threat to Israel as the former two (non)

Egyptian CP, Message from Egyptian CP
The Egyptian Communist Party has received the joint statement concerning the events that took place in the Egyptian-Sudanese border region, and what it contained in terms of condemning what it described as Egyptian military incursions and aggressions. While we appreciate the sentiments of solidarity with the brotherly Sudanese people and the concern of sister parties to defend Sudan's sovereignty and the rights of its people, we find it necessary to make some observations before taking our final position on the statement. The Egyptian Communist Party reaffirms its firm stance on the unity of the Egyptian and Sudanese peoples, the depth of the historical ties between them, and its rejection of any infringement on the sovereignty and independence of either country. It also affirms its absolute rejection of the loss of civilian and worker lives as victims of armed conflicts or military operations. At the same time, the information available to us so far does not enable us to independently ascertain that the Egyptian armed forces carried out military operations inside Sudanese territory. The official position of the Egyptian side affirms that the tasks of the armed forces and police in this area were aimed at combating illegal gold prospecting and pursuing illegal mining gangs, and that they took place within Egyptian territory and in border areas.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/Egyptian-CP-Message-from-Egyptian-CP/

Zeitung der Arbeit : 65 years since the construction of the Berlin Wall – The GDR and the Cold War
Sixty-five years ago today (13 August), the “Berlin Wall” was erected. Bourgeois media and all manner of “experts” are once again using the anniversary as an opportunity to wage their anti-communist propaganda campaign and engage in sweeping historical revisionism. Dictatorship, totalitarianism, an “unjust regime,” evil — there is seemingly no end to the labels attached to the German Democratic Republic. Terror, we are told, was omnipresent, with the Wall and the Stasi presented as its ultimate symbols. Not a word is said about the origins of the GDR, its achievements, or the historical context in which the Wall was built. Even basic facts and figures concerning border security are largely ignored, because they Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2894709
>mamdani
lmao just a mayor of NYC had created such a meltdown



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how is cute cat?
why is cute cat
me is survivor of commiunist
i have no good english
communism kill me brother when he was try escape
me is now in italyi was escape yugoslavia
>me love green
<me love orange




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Can we stop pretending that Stalinism is a leftist ideology? Stalin transformed the USSR into a reactionary state-capitalist shithole that retained nothing of the Left.
Just read posts by Stalinists - they are indistinguishable from Nazi ones, if you set aside the leftist terminology.
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>>2894585
>Except they didn’t. Vanguardism is designed for leadership control, not class control. War communism did not help
Nope it is designed for class control. Just say you wanted the whites to win lol

>You contradicted yourself here. The Soviets, the councils are not only the organs of the party, they are the party. If they were truly intertwined, the party would not be able to take a leading role in such a manner because it would be taking control from itself to give to itself, which is impossible in a actual revolutionary worker’s party, but is very much possible in a vanguard party because it is not about class it is about leadership.

No you are just retarded. They are intertwined while being separate things, the party takes a leading position because it is a centralized body. The soviet's were never "in control", that's why the slogan was all power to the soviets, this happened, it just turned out to be the bolsheviks who commanded that power. There's no issue, you just don't like the bolshies

>Which is not good

I know for you communist victory is certainly not good, for you are an anticommunist

>And are also part of the reason why it fell to pieces.

No they're part of the reason the revolution was even able to happen at all

>Talk is cheap

Cheap rhetoric is even cheaper. Obviously they did more than just talk, they made it happen
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>>2894714
>Nope it is designed for
Control by a specific leadership group. I didn’t know how this is hard for you to understand.
>They are intertwined while being separate things
That doesn’t even make any sense. They have to be one and the same, no exceptions.
>the party takes a leading position
That doesn’t make any sense either. The party is the proletariat and vice versa. How can it take a leading role over itself?
>I know for you communist victory is certainly not good, for you are an anticommunist
The armed proletariat exists in place of soldiers and the military.
>No
Yes. Another organization separate from the proletariat, another organization that ended up stabbing over the proletariat.
>they made it happen
They explicitly stuck with war communism and Vanguardism.
>The war wasn't bad, just the effects and the circumstances and the result were bad.
I literally just stated this in the greentext you just posted above.
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>>2894755
>Control by a specific leadership group. I didn’t know how this is hard for you to understand.
Nope the leadership group is just an extension of the working class, easy-peasy


>That doesn’t even make any sense. They have to be one and the same, no exceptions.

It does make sense, you're just retarded. They don't have to be one and the same at all. That's just some arbitrary rule you made up lol

>That doesn’t make any sense either. The party is the proletariat and vice versa. How can it take a leading role over itself?

The working class is obviously larger than the party? The party is a subsection that is representative of the whole.

>The armed proletariat exists in place of soldiers and the military.

Those soldiers were just drafted proletarians, there's still no issue other than you arbitrarily deciding it's not good. You are such a fucking idealist to the core man, it's crazy

>Yes. Another organization separate from the proletariat, another organization that ended up stabbing over the proletariat.

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>>2893668
Let us continue with what I am writing here:
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>>2894503
Now responding to another opportunist who does not understand the supremacy of the proletarian class organized as a class in a distinct party independent of the bourgeoisie.
>>2894755
The First International, where Marx and Engels were involved, disagrees with you. Communists need a workers' party that is separate from the bourgeois parties. This way, the working class can gain political supremacy by spreading its ideas to create the dictatorship of the proletariat. It also prevents the masses from being co-opted to support the bourgeoisie.

<Against the collective power of the propertied classes the working class cannot act, as a class, except by constituting itself into a political party, distinct from, and opposed to, all old parties formed by the propertied classes.


<This constitution of the working class into a political party is indispensable in order to insure the triumph of the social revolution and its ultimate end – the abolition of classes.


<The combination of forces which the working class has already effected by its economical struggles ought at the same time to serve as a lever for its struggles against the political power of landlords and capitalists.


<The lords of the land and the lords of capital will always use their political privileges for the defense and perpetuation of their economical monopolies and for enslaving labor. To conquer political power has therefore become the great duty of the working classes.

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>>2894529
people should be allowed to be anticommunist on /leftypol/ so long as they're acting in something resembling good faith. this site was at its best when we had unironic socdems and liberals alongside anarchists, syndicalists, ecologists, and various other moderately interesting weirdoes instead of the same generic hotchpotch of generic apologia for dead states, russia simping, contrarianism, and insular channer masturbation.



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When people say "communism doesnt work"? Why not point out that it took liberalism like 300 years of failed revolutions and counterevolutions to finally settle?

When people say communism is le bad because of red terror, why not point out that liberal revolutions also had their own terror and repression against feudalist supporters?

I've said my piece
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>>2894185
People that disagree dont even know Marx 101.
The problem with capitalism isnt that its le bad but that it fulfilled its historical purpose long ago and stubbornly clings to power in spite of its obvious decay.

>>2894194
And Che Guevara and Mao also

>>2892719
Are you taking that shit so they don't draft you to fight in Ukraine for Cucktin's sorry, Abramovichs mansions?

>>2891850
I always wondered why you care so much about victims of communism when you intend to surpass their kill count? Shouldn't you be praising them instead?

>>2892743
Didn't you hear? In communism there will be no wars, no states, no special bodies of armed men. These are the people calling others utopian btw.



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Fuck the government, Fuck capitalism, Fuck hierarchies, Fuck private property. Anarcho Communism WILL win, Capitalism WILL lose, Fascism WILL lose. Rise up, Fight the power!
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>>2894341
>marxists are a laughing stock and fading rapidly into obscurity. Anarchism
Hows the weather in tel abib moshe?

Anarchism has been superceded by Communization anyways

>>2894447
>If you are a Marxist and you think there will be no hierarchies in communism, you are not a Marxist.
The opposite, actually.
>>2894448
Seethe

>>2894665
marx refuted egoism 200 years ago. stop speaking for what marxism is

>>2894141
I will become anarchist village rapist



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