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I've been reading a book about the limits of science, one of it's topics is about the idea of chaos and how complex system cannot be fully know to us or controlled, that does it imply that a planned economy is theoretically impossible for us? What is the answer from socialist about this problem? After that question I'm starting to lean towards a market socialism to deal with the question economy complexity, what's is the LeftyPol answer to the question of economic complexity?

BUmperino

The economy is only limited by the division of labour. If you allow for more specialised labour to flourish, it is harder to control.

>>2796739
You put an ultimatum on something that hasn't even been structured for an attempt, planned production isn't impossible, you fell for the same bullshit premise as "economic miscalculation problem".

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>>2796739
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another staged assassination attempt. Trump didn't want to hear jokes at his expense and it gives him the excuse to build his ballroom. There will probably be many more stunts like this. they even had CIA actor Erika Kirk there to bring the community theatre level theatrics. anything to distract from the files. his face here says "yep, i did it again"
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nobody thinks its real. another psyop

>>2793456
Fuck off Maupin

>>2793456

Z tag, q-anon swag.

>>2793155
It's insane how much of it is literally in plainsight. It's so obvious they all recieved the same memo and do it for the same check.
Wasn't it revealed that half of them were indian dudes paid to do this too ?

>>2793173
No, he's just ready for it. For someone of his character and at his age, martyrdom is a preferred method.


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>FBI agents used a pry bar to enter the Metro Learning Center on 13th Avenue South in Minneapolis just before 7 a.m. on Tuesday.

>The day care in the Phillips neighborhood was one of several across the Twin Cities metro area where federal authorities simultaneously carried out search warrants.

>State records identify the owner of Metro Learning Center as Abdullahi Musse.

>Some time after entering the business, investigators could be seen handing paperwork to a man who responded to that name when approached by 5 INVESTIGATES.

>“Nothing I know,” he said when asked about the FBI operation. He insisted his day care was still serving children and families.

>The Minnesota Department of Human Services cited Metro Learning Center in January for failing to update a background check on one member of its staff.

>So far, federal authorities have not commented about the nature of their search warrant.

>The early morning operation captured the attention of neighbors in the area which also includes other Somali-owned businesses and an Islamic Center.
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feds just take tips from myths at this point, lefty pol's servers are almost ready to get raided because of Houdini

We know what goes on in these ideological enclaves. Too bad the feds are there for money instead of protecting kids (surprise surprise.)

>>2796169
Ah yes, the people's flag could be deepest red with the potential blood of our martyred dead, except it's not.

Belongs in /usapol/


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What’s the material condition pedos gets caught in 4K all the time and rarely gets arrested?

Infamous examples famous lolcow EDP getting caught by predator hunters twice(Low-effort)
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>>2796507
probably labor aristocrat tbh

>>2796476
Great, we're getting pointless 'what is the materialist explanation for my pointless autistic fixations' threads again.
I really hate jannies.

>>2796507
>>2796644
The law can't explicitly give the bourgeoisie amnesty from crimes. Often the laws are written so that in practice they're exempt, but in this case making it so that porky can't get busted simply for being on Epstein's Island "looking for a wild party" also means that fully grown adults trying to meet kids IRL is hard to convict.

>>2796476
Because it's mostly online chats with a decay, not like them actually fucking kids, and if you see what most of them look like no teen or even adult would be fucking them willingly, hence the desperation to fall for the bait.

>>2796882
>Decay
decoy*


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Sideshow war edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
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>>2796203
Dude, they were running secret prisons in occupied Donbass territories, with DNR forces showing the facilities to journalists. People were disappeared there for being critical of Ukraine to any degree.

>>2796205
I'm aware, genuinely what is even remotely unique about this? It's evil of course, but it's far from being out of the ordinary for a country in wartime. Russia does this exact same shit.

Bottom line: the question here is not "Is Ukraine evil?". Of fucking course it is, it's a Capitalist post-Soviet state, no shit it's evil. And it goes without saying that there's a pretty big problem with Nazism in Ukraine, there's no doubt. However, the question here is "Is Ukraine remotely evil enough to justify invading it, killing countless people in the process?". If your answer to this is "Yes" then you're a fucking lunatic. Ukraine is not comitting genocide, it is not annexing its neighbors, it is not exceptionally oppressive compared to other countries, it's just a 3rd world country puppeteered by the West. Putin's solution? Hundreds of thousands of dead proles in exchange for FUCKING NOTHING. What the hell has any of this accomplished? Where is the great victory over oppression? A ton of Ukrainians went from being in Capitalist State #1 to being in Capitalist State #2! Kill yourself if you're supporting this!

>>2796222
So many rhetorical tricks in one post, but the primary one is accusing Russia of something specific, killing “hundreds of thousands of proles”, while Ukraine gets let off with just being called “evil” without specifying what you mean by that.

But presumably you don’t mean much by “evil”, if you think people ought to kill themselves for thinking invading an “evil” state is justified.

Baked
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>>2796313
I specify Russia as having killed hundreds of thousands of Proles because they're the ones who started the war.
>Ukraine gets let off with just being called “evil” without specifying what you mean by that
I hardly specified why Russia is "Evil" either outside of the context of the war, as that's ultimately the focus. I don't see what there is to gain by droning on about all of the problems of Ukraine. Oligarchic, corrupt, teeming with Nazis, Capitalist, how long do you want me to do this? As I said, the question is NOT "Is Ukraine evil". All countries are evil in any variety of different ways, some more than others. This does not mean that any invasion of that country is justified. In order for a war to be justified it must either be against an entity so evil that to wage war is more merciful than to foster peace (WWII, American Civil War, Palestinian struggle for liberation, Slave revolts, Iran war), or it must be a proletarian war fought on behalf of the workers against the ruling classes (This automatically fits into the prior requirement anyway). The Russian invasion of Ukraine is neither of these.


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I was talking to a lumpen worker happy that a liberal socialdemocrat won the election, he thinks that the succdem is a "man of the people, he will fix everything". And we talked for a bit yelling. But it got me thinking, the lumpen had no problem with the ruling class as long as his needs were met, and for the large part even in spite of the miserable manual labour - were being met. So why do we demand an economy of needs - production planned on needs "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" if capitalism already fulfills their needs? They will still work, not for wages but it would be the same jobs. Its just that the drive for profit and class causes damage to the planet and misery for the manual laborers but as long as their needs are met they don't really care. They don't want planned production they want somebody else to think for them and most have just accepted their roles in contempt so feel no need for a DOTP - ruling is somebody else's problem to them.
Plus the lumpen laugh at the size of the "real movement" - how many are you? You're too little to change anything.
Lumpens do admire China but China doesn't care for anything besides its own citizens.(Why the fuck was this reported?)
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>>2788173
>OP said that she's defining lumpen as working class who lack class consciousness.
Well good for her she's wrong.

>>2787801
There's something to be said for having a designated outlet for the absolute disdain I feel towards liberalism at any given moment. This is that outlet for me.

But also NewsAnon's posts are nice. Those are consistently neat.

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>>2796332
gemerald

Reminder that the idiot jannys decided actively thst this was a quality post.


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I am an adult human being living in a bourgeois echo chamber who knows nothing about global poverty. please respond only in text, but I want a serious answer - what is happening? Why do so many people want to kill people like me? I've read communist books and they're all theory, but what I actually want is actual information on the state of global poverty. Specifically, what is causing people to die, and in what terrible conditions do people work? The people here seem almost fanatic, and I could understand this if and only if people were literally systematically dying. Please don't be mean to me - I have spent most of my life in a bourgeois echo chamber.

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>>2793972
> I could understand this if and only if people were literally systematically dying. Please don't be mean to me - I have spent most of my life in a bourgeois echo chamber.
Here's a good start.

>>2793972
>Why do so many people want to kill people like me?
You might be surprised by this, but the goal of Communism is to abolish class society, through any means necessary, not simply kill the bourgeoisie. If it were possible to abolish classes without violence, the Communists would take that option, but because the bourgeoisie defend their class interests through murder, it becomes self defense for the proletariat to wage class war against the bourgeoisie.

Stalin:
>Marx in his day (the seventies of the nineteenth century) made an exception in the case of Britain, and probably also of America, where militarism and bureaucracy were little developed at that time, and where at that time there was a possibility of achieving the political rule of the proletariat by other means, “peaceful” means. I said that this exception, or reservation, made by Marx in the case of Britain and America was correct at the time, but, in Lenin’s opinion, has become incorrect and superfluous in the present conditions of developed imperialism, when militarism and bureaucracy are flourishing in Britain and America in the same way as in other countries.

>Permit me, comrades, to turn to Marx. Here is what he wrote in his letter to Kugelmann in April 1871:

Marx quoted by Stalin:

>“. . . If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire, you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it . . . , and this is the preliminary condition for every real people’s revolution on the continent.* And this is what our heroic party comrades in Paris are attempting.”

Back To Stalin:

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The promise of capitalism as opportunity for everyone does not materialize. Normal people live and die having to submit to the orders of modern day aristocrats or their representatives. Education is no longer a guaranteed ticket into the middle class. Saving money in the hopes of becoming your own boss grows less realistic as barriers of entry to business rise while wages stagnate for decades despite productivity growth.
In short, mass desperation and palpable inequality which (social) democracy failed to keep in check.
Now consider that this is actually many people's life, when you're actually hungry or at risk you will have a very strong emotional response that makes you easy to radicalize. We're not quite "there" yet and most people are still reasonable but this will get worse with conditions.
See, if you haven't: wtfhappenedin1971.com
As a bonus, read Kropotkin, the de facto father of my flag. He was also someone born into money but switched sides.

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>>Lets make this easy, no fighting, hop in


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The American 'working class' produce zero surplus value through their net nonproductive labor and physically cannot sustain themselves due to deindustrialization. Each and every single lumpen settler owes more than forty trillion in exports to repay their debt to the rest of the planet and survives off the surplus labor of non-americans from Berlin to Siberia. Even ignoring the countless acts of terrorism committed by the burgereich, the consumerism of treats must end. As the pedotariat of epsteinland must work for several years and export to maybe repay even 30 percent of what occupied turtle island owes to the non-american surplus value producing global proletariat.

Any strawman that does not address the largest trade deficit that will ever exist shall be ignored.
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>>2782035
also the slave mode of production of late european antiquity wasn't overthrown by the slaves, but gradually reformed away by the lords of manorial estates in the aftermath of the collapse of the roman empire and the carving up of the latifundia

>>2741267
despite being obnoxious, OP has a point. Part of the side effect of the US having the global reserve currency is de industrialization, because it makes imports more attractive structurally. This lumpenizes the former industrial workers, and the only exceptions are workers in protected industries often related to national defense (ex: the factory working assembling missiles for the us air force) who obviously has a a material interest in the continuity of empire.

He kinda overreaches by saying NO proletariat exists, obviously the us does have SOME heavy industry left, like auto production, plus one thing he leaves out is Oil production, the US is a net exporter of oil and the biggest oil exporter on earth which sort of seems at odds with his overall point.

Nevertheless its true that currency hegemony leads to de-industrialization

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>>2741483
facts

Hentai > 3DPD

(I've actually gathered that information and
This is not an an a priori statement of taste in this instance)

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>>2741267 (OP)

OP is a typical third-worldist retard who doesn't realize that third-world bourgiouse are screwing over their fellow third-worlders just as much.

This is just reheated origional sin spookery.

>>2787238

local states have historically collaborated with the foreign business powers against their own national liberation movements, unless the party of the movement is in power, and even still… its a risk


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The western AI industry is estimated to be worth hundreds of billions of dollars. In 2026 that number will likely balloon even further as more and more capital is poured into the industry. The capitalist class whose shortsightedness is almost always a given has seemingly put all their eggs in this handbasket even at the expense of other sectors of the economy from consumer electronics to the water supply and electrical grids of small towns unfortunate enough to have had a datacenter built in their vicinity.
At the same time questions of what is being gained from these massive investments are being raised. If and when this bubble pops it will have adverse ripple effects across the entire global economic system and the capitalist class will be potentially set back trillions. In the process the contradictions that will lead to capitalism's downfall will intensify, opening the window for a socialist revolution. Even if AI and its related technologies can serve some kind of social good and help develop the productive forces. Actively cheering for an AI bubble burst effectively serves the same function as championing revolutionary defeatism whenever the ruling class wages imperialist wars.
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The ai bubble is not bursting, this is one of the most progressive technologies ever. This is a machine that costs less than $5000 that automates skilled digital labor all day and night. A major part of the class distinction in modernity was the ability to command skilled digital labor, which is why over the last 26 years everyone has been scrambling to do computer (unsuccessfully for the most part.)

>>2794041
There's plenty of vintage LLMs. They even have anime wifus for them now…

>>2754063
>openAI or anthropic, but you can also go to deepseek or moonshot
what chips do you think all these run on?

>>2794056
people's ai compute made by aes huawei

It's very obvious that people who shill AI on this site just like using it to generate slop and let it think for themselves, and then they try to ideologically justify it after the fact. None of it comes across as genuine - especially those who try to double down and act like AI will advance communism.

>>2754061


You're actually North Korean.

>>2752862

A.I will probably run the gulag. Welcome to transhumanist socialist-capitalism.


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>>2793273
KWAB

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>>2793233
We need more Leninist mushroom growers and Juche Fent distributors for Total Schizo Victory

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>>2793233
The new "wide awakes" are ugly retarded idpol-ridden faggots though, the classic wide awakes were stylish, classy, well-mannered and principled.

>>2792910
Look in the mirror cockroach, you'll find the perfect target

>>2793790

relax now fellas


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