/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2809882
Chinese intellectuals agree!

>>2771313
>total land value calculated at $700B+ across 250,000+ acres
Wait what? Wouldn't that make his net worth higher than Elon Musk? Is he hiding it on purpose?

>>2771313
250,000 acres is about 390 square miles and 1011 square kilometers btw

>>2810179
One time i found this pdf on the cia.gov website
Glowies are truly sick "people"

>>2810410
it's on CIA dot gov because osama had it on his computer allegedly

>>2810249
Elon Musk is part of this tech porky generation/culture flaunting their assets. The real big shots hide and obfuscate how much capital they have.

>>2809996
>>2809996
Indeed first thing "liberal humanists" do is dissolve the party
>Nationalist writer PAX Aleksander Bocheński, who defended the principle of central control of the economy and criticised the concepts of introducing competition and building certain forms of capitalism. Particularly controversial were adopted proposals of workers' self-governments and anti-inflationary policies, which were seen as a copy of Gorbachev's policies as well as introduction of capitalist dynamics into the economy
>Shortly before 1989, Jaruzelski changed the course and instead pursued a strategy of reaching a "round table" agreement with Solidarity, mediated by the Catholic Church. This decision was strongly opposed by Grunwald, which took a hardline stance - Grunwald members were ones of the few delegates to vote against the Polish United Workers' Party self-dissolution at its last congress in January 1990

Speaking of Piasecki, he had a pretty good turnout
Piasecki’s funeral was scheduled for January 4. As a member of the
Council of State, he was buried with all honors. His body was taken first to
the Primate’s Palace in Warsaw’s Old Town district. The simple wooden
coffin draped with the Polish flag was placed on a catafalque in the middle
of the hall, before the neoclassical columns and below a plaque depicting the
Polish white eagle. Soldiers from the Polish People's army’s honor guard stood at
attention. Members of the government, the Council of State, leaders of political and social associations, and representatives of PAX formed alternating guards of honor. Among the numerous veterans of Polish political life who came to pay tribute to Piasecki were Josef Cyrankiewicz and Zenon Kliszko.

>>2808196
>Poles think they’re players in the game [of the Western powers], but we’re just cannon fodder.
"Russians are orcs! we need to exterminate them" - actually existing fantasy creature that is a racist caricature

>>2809359
"Nooo Russians need to simply read the book Leviathan, but not do any praxis based on that theory! They should not actually use political power to assert authoritarian legitimacy, just debate philosophy all day bro!"

>>2810340
oi git 'av sum painboyz fix ya ap

>>2808958
>but most people have no idea what you're saying
Thats fine, people who use all that jargon in here usually dont either.

>>2809588
It's a "science" like sociology is a science

Fucking illiterate americans

>>2810000
It's a hard science. Sociology and Economics are just parts of Marxism btw.

>>2810239
> sociologie and economics
> hard science

you have to be trolling

>>2809657
Boer war camps, the Armenian genocide, and the genocides in Namibia all set the stage for Europe

>>2809659
I can't comment on Armenia or Namibia, but the Boer camps are an example of what I'm talking about. They were brutal and horrific but they were a tool for the subjugation of the Boers, not their eradication.

>>2809654
so what? does that mean they weren't particularly evil?

>>2809729
People are of course correct to argue that the Nazis didn't exist in a vacuum, that they were the rotten fruit of capitalist society's existing tendencies, and simply the logical conclusion of long established trends. They're also correct to describe the mainstream view of the Nazis as "sin-eaters", demons that European imperialists of all nations can project all the bad things in the world onto in order to obfuscate both their own society's role in producing Nazism, as well as their own crimes which predate the Nazis. Like with anything else though people take these things too far, and start to convince themselves that there was nothing special about the Nazis at all. I think an honest look at them and comparison to earlier colonial atrocities will reveal that they were more bloodthirsty and murderous in both their goals and methods than other European empires. It's also worth noting that a lot of those earlier atrocities were widely condemned even at the time, with the Belgian Congo and Boer concentration camps being good examples. Meanwhile many other atrocities were rationalized as being part of a civilizing mission, which was ultimately beneficial to the people being oppressed. This is also something which was absent in Nazi thinking. Nobody pretended that Operation Barbarossa was part of a mission to civilize and uplift the backwards Slavs. There was no Nazi equivalent of Charles V telling his conquistadores that the Indians were future Christians and subjects of Spain, and entitled to the rights pertaining thereto (proclamations which they of course ignored). On the contrary they issued orders to their troops telling them that they were free to rape, murder, and loot the population. The Spanish Empire had to conquer those pagan Indians so that their souls could be saved, the British Empire needed to occupy Africa to end the slave trade and uplift the local savages, etc. But the Nazis talked openly about the extinction of lesser peoples, and didn't shy away from this being their goal except in very limited, opportunistic situations (honorary Ayrans etc). There's a tendency among communists to correctly diagnose the real motivations and causes of a policy, but then to completely forget the ways in which it was justified at the time, the fact that people believed these justifications, and very often considered what they were doing to be for Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2809611
nah, I've been banned from reddit multiple times. Either for "inciting violence," "terroristic threats," "racism" (against the fucking ukrainians) or, most commonly, ban evasion. All of those things fly here.

>>2792992
I hate to break it to you, but Hitler wasn't actually a socialist, he just said he was for clout.

>>2793107
>He isnt really a socialist himself
So he's worthless.

>>2805091
>So he's worthless.
Complete nonsense. Any attack on the Western imperialist bourgeoisie renders direct aid to the worker's movement in the West itself, as well as the third world.

>>2793974
>mindlessly worshipping everything the Bolsheviks did instead of actually applying theory to the present
I fuckin’ hate campoids so much man. Fuckin’ braindead pedants

>>2805093
> Any attack on the Western imperialist bourgeoisie renders direct aid to the worker's movement in the West itself
Oh man I wish

>>2792999
>The woman you spoke to is diaspora, that means she's better off than her countrymen
On what basis? The first to emigrate to basically go work as a taxi druver usually aren't the well of in a society, but those who are left with almost nothing and are trying to make money to send home or in search of a new place to start over.
The cuban diaspora is in no way comparable.

>>2807412
woman doctors has nothing to do with homosexuality though. abortion maybe idk

>>2807410
Stalin was also an intellectual and an atheist where is this classist shit coming from

>>2807414
>No, you are saying that there is a linear graph between communism and queerness, which is clearly false.
I am saying that they are strongly correlated, which is true. The fact the USSR failed to update its laws to reflect underlying material conditions speaks to the same underlying structural flaws that meant the USSR couldn't adapt to changing conditions and not die on its arse. (Contrast China, which adapted fine and which has a negative official line on homosexuality and nonconformism in general, but which nevertheless is full of LGBT behavior because all the basic underlying material drivers are there.)
The law influences changes in social attitudes, but it does not drive social change. As late as 1995 a majority of irreligious adults in the UK thought gay sex was always wrong despite homosexuality having been legal since the 1960s!
The changes in the 1960s came about due to increasing recognition that whether you criminalized being gay or not, some men were going to do it.

That said: liberal elites are always, everywhere, better than conservative elites. That around the world conservative elites have allowed themselves to be eaten up pandering to the actually mentally deficient tells you all you need to know about the "virtues" of conservatism.

>>2807430
Because it's not a question of rich vs poor.
A poor country with a retirement system will, all else being equal, have more exclusively homosexual men than a richer country without one. That is what this theory predicts. It is, to a high degree, independent of wealth. (Though because everything is connected to everything else, this can't be drawn too far: a rich enough country without any state retirement system will probably still have childless couples due to a reliable private retirement savings scheme. You've really got to dig around in low/middle income countries for this kind of thing.)

The liberal west is more economically developed than the DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam. China is an interesting outside case where it is more developed in some respects and less developed in others. There is no "communist" variable in the way you seem to wish there was. Cuba is governed by a communist party, and in that sense is "more communist", but it is economically underdeveloped, and is in that sense further from communism. This is obviously well above your pay-grade, but someone elPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2807596
Is there a single person outside Mainland China who sees more gay behaviour from Chinese than Western people? Where are the queer parades with 100+ million attendees? Where's the multitrillion gay club industry?

<instead of changing the bourgeois school system invented in Prussia, let's kill the teachers, this will surely accomplish something
Infantile disorder. Petty-bourgeois radicalism. And communists on leftypol and the rest of the internet continue to make the same error of not actually studying anything except communist texts, and then think they know how to run society. What they fail to understand is that communist texts are like physics books, physics books don't actually teach you engineering, nor do engineering books teach you how to be a car mechanic. I hope that analogy makes sense because I struggle to articulate more concisely why the current approach leads to retardation like the Cultural Revolution, or the various man error famines that occured in 20th century socialist states.

>>2804348
because i said so

>>2804183
who are you even arguing with though? most people would agree with this even communists and maoists no?

>>2809572
when did marx told people to go kill teachers thoughbeit

>>2806296
>due to the "scientific" language you use, you will never actually achieve the "Mass Line"
thats not historically true the poorest from the third world are often more receptive to this scientific language than the propagandized workers of the west that they actually understand what the fancy words mean is entirely another issue

HOXHAISTS REDEEMED, THIS MUST BE THE PRE-REVISIONIST POINT

Another leftcom win

The main problem with anti-civ ideology in my estimation is that it cannot be implemented because there is no collective will to implement it, and if it were, the people implementing it would be committing suicide. Nature is struggle and evolution. Technology and civilization evolved out of nature. They are not purely and simply a negation of nature. If a bird can build a nest an ape can build house, and eventually, a city, surrounded by farms, paying grain tribute to the temple. The productive forces and forms of exploitation develop alongside the advancement of technique, and the game-theoretical logic of the various forms of human struggle run themselves automatically, independent of our individual willpowers, or our desire to negate the logic of competition for scarce resources with increasingly advanced technologies, or our conservative nostalgic desire to RETVRN fundamentally rooted in moralism: A desire to return to a beautiful and uncorrupted state of nature, when people lived short, brutal, lives, died of simple infections, bone fractures, sometimes dying for mistakes as simple as foraging the wrong fruit/vegetable/fungus and dying for it. To wage anti-civilizational struggle is to wage struggle against the very same productive forces we have accumulated which allow us to multiply and specialize. If technology is an arms race, and the people with the superior technologies and numbers of trained troops win struggles most of the time, then it follows that anti-civilizational struggle is the struggle of the weak, unarmed, and numerical minority to not merely disarm the strong, armed, majority, but to destroy those arms so they are never used again. There is no realistic path to do this. It is a fantasy.

>>2809468
Ancient peoples lived under constant and total social surveillance. Not even modern people with all our spyware begin to approach the reality of ancient life. They lived in a tribe that demanded total devotion and without which they would perish. The destruction of that unit was the same process as creation of the family.
Now you know why anarchists are fascist. Fascists wish they could capture a tiny portion of that spirit of ancient man.

Moved to >>>/siberia/781868.