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>>2853861
>I've still never thought that "mercantilism" should be considered its own economic system or mode of production though.
The period was never self-described as "mercantilist". It is a derisive term given by liberals, especially after Adam Smith. The term "capitalism" itself is also a 19th century term, when according to Marx, capitalism existed since around 1500 CE, in development.
>>2853854
The Mercantilist period began around 1600 CE and can be seen in various tendencies within the British, Dutch and French empires of the time. We see literature in the early 17th century (highlighted in Antoine Montchretien's "Traicte", 1615) that merchant guilds in the City of London were growing in social power following the joint-stock company of the East India Company (est. 1600), immediately followed by the Dutch East India Company (est. 1602). New legal frameworks such as the laws of the sea (maritime law) were being debated, regarding new mercantile systems of global trade and colonial capture. We see an emphasis on a growing industrial base at the same time however by Antoine Montchretien's primary account of the manufacturing of both Britain and the Netherlands (who were coincidentally the two great protestant powers which in establishing a national church - rather than submitting to Catholic internationalism, economised church property. Marx discusses this in regards to the Dissolution of the Monasteries, 1536-41, were former Church property became privately leased, which if you are inrerested in the saga of British law, overthrow internal debates about "mortmain", or the "dead hands" of "corporate" property). The most famous mercantilist writer is Thomas Mun's "England's Treasure" (1640), in which he emphasises a "balance of trade" as his main objective, which of course is entirely reasonable. Soon after this, we get William Potter (1650) who is subverting the dominant discourse away from the "usury" of creditors for the sake of expanding commerce (Marx also viewed this turn as the interests of industrial capital overtaking interest-bearing capital). This is followed up by Josiah Child (1668) on the same premises. Each of the men demanded a further lowering of the national rate of interest (which since the starPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2853861
>>2853854
>>2853921
To add something basic which was overlooked, William Potter in 1650 proposes a "land bank" to establish lines of national credit for investment, and Marx calls Josiah Child a precedessor to the creditors who establish the Bank of England (1694), which then becomes integral to the national investment in industry, by collecting funds for large-scale development. In the same time, the Netherlands had established a central bank. John Law in the early 18th century was also advocating the same policy for France. The foundation of central banks is then internal to mercantile debates. John Locke himself became a member of the Board of Trade in 1696, like how Isaac Newton became Bank of England treasurer, who in 1717 established the gold standard. So then, interest-bearing capital loses primacy by the consolidation of credit for the sake of investment into industrial capital. Now, the world's first central bank has an interesting history. It was established by the Knights Templar in the 12th century, setting up franchises all over the place, such as the Temple Bank in the City of London. The assets were eventually seized on October 13, 1307 (which was also a massively corrupt era of the Catholic Church - the accusations of the Templars being idolaters who worship Baphomet equally apply to the institution as a whole - even barring the later selling of "indulgences" to piss off Luther). This was the beginning of the end of the medieval era, as the Black Death came soon after, along with the dissolution of feudalism in England, and the rediscovery of antiquity in the Renaissance, finally leading up to the Protestant Reformation.

>>2853673
>Muslim opinion of Jews: -8
>Atheist opinion of Jews: -17
Damn

>>2853610
>no israelis
antisemtic

>>2854002
You are reading it wrong. The vertical collummn is the group who is being rated horizontal is group giving rating. Every single group has positive opiniom of Jews, but this was an old rating before oct 7. Seems the jewish media does the PR campaign well, but I think the last few uears may have finally been a bridge to far even for the best hasbara.


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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/uk-weekend-heatwave-forecast-issued-with-temperatures-set-to-hit-32c/ar-AA25T1zM

>Yellow heat health alerts – which mean a greater risk to the lives of vulnerable people and higher demand for health and care services – have been put in place by the UK Health Security Agency across the South East, the East of England, London and the East Midlands until Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jun/17/uk-social-media-ban-digital-advertising-snapchat-instagram-youtube

>Brands are expected to cut more than £1bn of digital advertising spending due to the UK’s ban on social media for under-16s, with streaming services tipped to benefit as advertisers try to reach large audiences of teenagers. The ban, due to come into force early next year, will leave UK advertisers scrambling to reassess marketing plans as millions of under-16s effectively disappear as a demographic that can be marketed to on platforms including Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and YouTube.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/uk-unemployment-rate-2026-jobs-37312541

>Figures for the UK jobs market show a mixed picture, with the unemployment rate falling to 4.9%, in a boost to the government but it's getting harder to find a job

Previous thread: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2829198.html
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>>2850415
Elon musk Larry page Jeff bezos Sergei brin Micheal dell mark zuckerburg the swamp is much deeper than one mere ethnicity

>>2850419
Not all of them are at the top and it's not about being ethnically Jewish btw

>>2850425
True though the people are the richest people so they are at the top

>>2850517
>>2850517
>>2850517
>>2850517

NEW, MIGRATE

>>2846364
Unironically, do something about BAP and the entire modern "dissident right" practically collapses in on itself overnight


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I like mamdani and planter
>why
idkno, they have aura, well at least mamdani, and also planter makes the maga seethe so i support him for that and only that.
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Laslle was a retard btw

Also jannies keep this thread up and don't remove kt cus muh USPOL because it will remind me to make an actual planter thread on monday mka

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>>2853563
>planter

I like them because packing any instutions with our guys is always better than not.

lasalle 1,000,001, marx 0


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The last few months this board has experienced an increase in growth of literal /glowie/ posting.

Said thung includes, but is not limited to;
>anti-Russia posting
<(of the "leftist-NATO" kind)
>anti-China posting
<(of the "leftcom" kind)
>Venezuela pessimism posting
<(of the Department of War kind)
>Cuba-skepticism posting
<(of the gusano-type)
…and I could go on, and all of these were blanketed under literal CIA-narratives.

I just want my /leftypol/ comrades to know that we remain STRONK, our behaviour is jungle-like, and we shall never falter.

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>>2853697
BorZIGGER supported the USSR thoughever. This is proof that modern leftcommunism is a glowie invention and completely artificial. Hell even Trotsky supported the USSR.

>>2853664
This place is actually maddening

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>>2853696
>

porky lover thread

>>2853497
>we remain STRONK
reddit awards


 

Why does this mentally ill MAGAcuck rage about communists and russian people, like he knows his shit he was talking about brenchev at the end.

Why is MAGA so angry all the time? We saw this behavior at Jan 6th, is it just class struggle but being diverted to false conciuous rage?
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Why does he become like a caged angry animal midway through

Bump

>>2850501
AMERICQN PQTRIQT

>>2850644
Gotta love Jerry

I thought their kind respected the police lol.


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Allowing free speech everywhere is good because it keeps Leftists honest and effective. Up until a few years ago, heavy censorship in social media and universities protected Leftists from any pushback which resulted in the creation of extremely retarded and divisive Leftist identity politics. This was deliberately done to ensure the left remained retarded and ineffective.

Now, the Right-wing is slowly being allowed to speak more openly and freely because censorship is not effective in completely silencing them and because there was too much pushback among the Right. So the pressure valve is slowly being released. Events like Musk acquiring Xitter and cancel culture weakening and wokism becoming unpopular even among libs are examples of this.

The ruling class is not afraid of the Right being able to speak their mind, what they are actually afraid is Right-wing ideas and free speech forcing the left to abandon retarded ideologies and beliefs and sharpening their ideological and political outlook to become more rational, and therefore more effective.

This is the missing ingredient that was available in the past and not available until recently. All successful revolutions in the past happened in the context of a heavily right-wing society where the Left had to be extremely smart, rational and hardworking.
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>>2853800
It gave them the legitimacy to do that, they'd probably have done so anything, but strong enough pressure on the left could have had stopped this in certain countries.

>>2853805
> but strong enough pressure on the left could have had stopped this in certain countries.
strong enough pressure = revolution and SJWs were not gonna do that ever lol

>>2853806
I disagree, this is something that could have been legislated in. I can even see bipartisan support for it.

>>2853728
The SNP haven't been a single issue party since the 1980s, since then they've carved out a very clear social democratic and anti-war position which is ultimately why they took power in 2007 (Scottish Labour surrendered this position by becoming right wing warmongers),their strategy has been to win people over to independence by showing that Scottish nationalism is the only route to social democracy in contrast to an increasingly reactionary UK.
although they've succumbed to most of the bad institutional incentives of the UK and nowadays don't really have a plan or strategy at all and are mostly firefighting a string of bad decisions. Still, it is some measure of how bad the alternatives are that they nevertheless won the recent Scottish elections.

It is true that some TERFs are "real" 1970s radfems but the median TERF is a small-c conservative type how knows homophobia is a bride too far. The average TERF org is a wokewashed conservative group based in Tufton Street alongside tax-cut wankers and climate change denials coasting off US evangelical funding and randomly dipping into homophobia (like opposing bans on conversion therapy or demanding children are outed to their parents)
I have family with such sympathies and they were all "judge people by merit instead of having quotas, I was hired because I'm good not because I'm a woman" types with no particular animus to transgender people who suddenly u-turned and now won't shut up about their new hobby.

>>2853570
I have to agree that its positive our enemies are more visible instead of hiding in the background.


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I made this without a hint of irony.

I like natural rights, Leninism, Hoxhaism, and my philosophy is heavily influenced by Mishima.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>2845970
The Sound of Waves is a purely hetero romance and it’s pretty good, Patriotism is about killing yourself instead of making a decision between your country and your friends who attempted a coup and failed. Spring Snow and its sequels you have more of a point with.

>>2853030
The only Mishima I've read is Sun and Steel, and Temple of Golden Pavillion. I found both quite interesting, and eccentric of the type of person that Mishima actually was, which was a romantic person, who unfortunately saw heroism in the lies of his own tradition. His death was fabulously poetic, in how the soldiers sneered at his coup d'etat; the spirit of samurai is dead, and Mishima witnessed it. His suicide is also tragic, of how his friend hardly had the strength to behead him. The Age of Heroes has passed, as Hesiod forewarns; we are men of iron, not brazen demi-gods sent to dispense honour.

>>2853030
>>2853036
A figure of romance akin to Mishima in the time of Marx and Engels was Thomas Carlyle, who Engels responds to rather sympathetically:
<Since however the place of the old religion could not remain entirely vacant, we have acquired a new gospel in its stead, a gospel that accords with the hollowness and lack of substance of the age – the gospel of Mammon. The Christian heaven and the Christian hell have been abandoned, the former as doubtful, and the latter as absurd – and you have acquired a new hell; the hell of modern England is the consciousness of “not succeeding, of not making money.” […] Carlyle complains about the emptiness and hollowness of the age, about the inner rottenness of all social institutions. The complaint is fair; but by simply complaining one does not dispose of the matter; in order to redress the evil, its cause must be discovered; and if Carlyle had done this, he would have found that this desultoriness and hollowness, this “soullessness” this irreligion and this “atheism” have their roots in religion itself. Religion by its very essence drains man and nature of substance, and transfers this substance to the phantom of an otherworldly God, who in turn then graciously permits man and nature to receive some of his superfluity. […] The hollowness has long been there, for religion represents man’s action of making himself hollow; and you are surprised that now, when the purple that concealed it has faded, when the fog that enveloped it has passed away, that now, to your consternation, it emerges in the full light of day?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/df-jahrbucher/carlyle.htm

>Marxism-Suicidism

>>2845912
He only loses to you in this category.


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What does leftypol think of left anarchism/left Libertarianism?

Do you consider it "liberal" and how would you compare it to left authoritarianism and right libertarianism?

>>2853507
This extends from AOC to Nestor Mahkno.

>political compass

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I'm not an anything-ist, but ideologically I'm closest to Marxism-Leninism. That said, in person anarchists are just better company. There are obviously exceptions, but generally I'd much rather chill with anarchists than communists. I even married one.
They're still wrong, but they're fun and have valid critiques of communism.
Also the meme matrix is bad and you shouldn't have that image saved.

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>"how do you feel about all these spooks?"
like they're fucking spooky m8


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Clive Davis was rushed to the hospital for lung issues and may not survive another day.

This is important because Davis is a monster who has been far WORSE than Epstein and is a much bigger and more sinister criminal

Davis is one of the most powerful men in the music industry, and there's been rumours for years that he's has been involved in loads of shady shit like running Epstein-like sex trafficking rings in the music industry since the 1970s. It is a known fact Davis was involved in one of the biggest payola scandals in music industry history. He is also known to commit tax fraud/evasion. Plus there is a huge number of musicians whose deaths he was certainly involved in (Janis Joplin, Donny Hathaway, Phyllis Hyman, Luther Vandros, Aaliyah, Left Eye, Whitney Houston, Angie Stone and even Prince). Some say he has CIA connections. Yet he hasn't been charged with anything

Davis buckbroke Diddy when Diddy first entered the music industry. But it gets deeper. Clive Davis is a member of the Study Group (Mega Group), a secretive inner circle of powerful Jewish billionaires. This same organization funded Jeffrey Epstein and gave him his elite connections. We know Epstein was a Mossad agent who was getting blackmail material on the rich and powerful so they’d keep making pro-Israel policies. There is no doubt Clive Davis was absolutely using Diddy to get blackmail material on rappers and pop stars so that they’d stay in-line identical to Epstein. And the Study Group was behind it all.

Davis is also a gigantic Zionist and owns a school at NYU (where criticizing Zionism is against university policy).

Given all this, will Davis finally be exposed on his deathbed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuR1H7US_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClzGRCoGlWc
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>>2847845
Davis wasn’t a boomer. He was born in 1932.

>>2829180
>Clive wasn’t named in the files so no idea
Because he has his own set of files.

CLIVE DAVIS CONFESSES TO MURDERING WHITNEY ON DEATHBED.

>Plus there is a huge number of musicians whose deaths he was certainly involved in (Janis Joplin, Donny Hathaway, Phyllis Hyman, Luther Vandros, Aaliyah, Left Eye, Whitney Houston, Angie Stone and even Prince).
Schizo thread

Is that the "me mum died in the holly" scammer?


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In defense of the free market.

When we deal with matters of the economy, it’s important to stay grounded in very real world terms and not fall for the abstractions the wealthy propagandize people with. These are systems of metabolizing the labor of everyone in society and then proportioning goods accordingly. Everyday there is work that has to get done to maintain civilization, and “the economy” describes how we incentivize (or more crudely, reward) doing that work. The control and production of everything takes labor, and the biggest issues with society stem from our considering property or ownership of stock as a means of financial gain in of itself over labor. In a preferable society with equal access to education and healthcare and equal rights for all, those capable of doing work should still be made to. There simply is no society without that economic work incentive, and ours is now being destroyed because the incentive is switching to trading stocks and speculating on others businesses instead of putting effort in to produce or maintain anything. I think these best ways to distribute these goods is for a wage system that distributes a currency exchangeable for goods and services at a market rate. Its a fundamentally democratizing force that should be regulated and limited in certain aspects, but that should not be abolished in favor of anything else, as the rich are trying to do now. I support some economic inequality enough to maintain a petit bourgeoisie, I would even say I’m against a UBI.

The reason i don’t identify as a communist is because I see them as abandoning this distributive system in favor of a more hierarchical approach. In a world without currency, you would either have to rigidly control distribution or provide a civilization so materially liberal I don’t think human beings could uncorruptibly function without abusing the systems of social benefit to an unsustainable degree. This is a monopoly of the state and even a state that is democratically controlled should not wield such power in my opinion.
The difference between capitalism and socialism is that capitalism doesn’t just have a free market, but as our current neoliberal system extols, has businesses controlled by centralized power and authority rested in bourgeois, old money families. These people are given the reigns of power over their own little fiefdoms, given essentially no oversight or real threat of punishment, and even those that work their way inPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2846206
>thats the samefag replying to himself.
I forgot the quote arrow for the second sentence.
>a discussion cannot take place if your own position is still shifting every week.
Gee why is "his" opinion shifting so much, whaddayathink? And he is so productive, making so many posts!

I'm of the position that a price system is not absolutely necessary to run an economy; and that if you use prices, there is something to be said for using prices not modified because of discrepancies between supply and demand or using these unmodified prices for longer planning horizons alongside modified prices for the short term. (That's not to say that these unmodified prices stay fixed forever: They can change when production technique changes.) Either approach requires a powerful center that makes some very big decisions unilaterally. So take a guess whether I'm a shill for capitalism.

>>2846649
the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)

more generally, the fundamental problem i see in the world today is institutional incompetence. the british government can't build railways, the US government can't build HSR, and yet you envision a world where we can shake our magic wand once for revolution and twice for total overhaul of the economy, get some linear programmers in, and just like that all will be fixed. pray, mr. babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures…?

i am not an advocate in the free market in the sense of being a deep enthusiast for it with an intuitive love of it. i am an advocate in the sense of a devil's advocate, in the sense that i think the standard marxist arguments do not hold up well to conditions on the ground and are not in any case well understood by the average marxist (who instead intuits, in a woolly sense, that Marx's bible must agree with him and that a cleverer person will sort it all out), i am of the view that at the very least we've got to reach the same conclusion as china, that productive forces are insufficiently developed to allow a leap to communism and therefore we're stuck with markets in the short run. if ideal central planning can outperform the market, sub-ideal central planning can easily underperform it. (we can point here to the soviet example. even if you want to go "ah, actually, it was beating the market in 1930!", the very fact one bumbling idiot could come in and have the entire economy cannibalise itself by 1989 speaks to the enormous risks of an incompetent center)

you will be quite correct to say i've dodged your questions, and iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2846824
>tldr: my intuition said so, so i have to make a thread about it
no you didn't lol. this is also some of the funniest shit i read:
>the failure and success of western communist parties has quite a lot to do with central planning: central planning requires a center by definition. if you pick any of these random failures and have them fluke their way into power, you will have an incompetent center. more generally, central planning puts a lot of weight on having a competent center. the primary appeal of a market economy, looking at so much uncorrected failure, is that it has mechanisms for clearing out failure. when seers CEO gets some bizarre notions about how to run a firm, seers goes bankrupt and dies and other more competent retail outlets eat their lunch. (even if those firms are also incompetent, they just have to be less incompetent!)
<central planning is called central planning because center duh
do you have an phd in bullshitenomics? the term you are looking for is called creative destruction and as a matter of fact: all these things you talk about have already been said by someone smarter than you, literally NONE of your ideas are original. you are debating with yourself lol

>>2847096
Why have you included some stupid bullshit about famines in reply to someone who has stuck exclusively and monotonously to economic questions?

>>2847096
  1. i did not make this thread
  2. i am not looking for creative destruction, although that is one facet of the evolutionary nature of markets. the airline industry in the us, for example, has been quite resistant to creative destruction (most carriers die via mergers rather than ceasing to exist, and most legacy airlines today have gone bankrupt several times but chapter-11'd their way back instead of being "creatively destroyed") yet they still evolved this fascinating business model.
  3. i make no claims to originality.

>image
image 2 is completely irrelevant and based on the assumption i'm someone i'm not (were this a thread about soviet or chinese famines, i'd be on the "and how many famines afterwards?" side of the argument.
as for image 1: it seems quite confused. the 1930s have almost nothing to teach us, the 1970s just have lol-wrong numbers. (us real gdp growth 1970 > 1979 averaged 3%, more than the 2.5% it could supposedly "only dream about" in that decade.) "how many brazillians have been to space?" is an odd rhetorical question when the answer isn't "zero", as it is for most countries.

i will engage mainly with the question of the asian tigers, because (aside from the obvious point that their planning was far less expansive than that of the USSR) one obvious part is missing in the defence of planning: as export oriented economies they were still exposed to market discipline. general park mandated that companies export cars, but crucially, to avoid losing money they had to learn to export good cars cheaply, because park could not mandate that american consumers buy korean cars. this is in contrast to other cases like india where getting the central planners to designate you a car manufacturer was a licence to print money because you had a captive domestic market that you could force to buy third-rate british designs from 1950 in the year 1980 because they had no other choice.

more generally: planning in a poor country is a good way to administer things while breaking up old social bonds that form a barrier to setting up a modern society. this is a big reason that china is rich and india isn't - mao successfully abolished the "idiocy of rural life" and created a populace ideally suited to working in modern conditions, while indiaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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