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i see people here constantly talk about theory and the writers of said theory so i'm kinda curious what everyone's taste is for stuff outside of philosophy.
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>>2871492
This is great. Has anyone read Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said?

>>2871492
yeah yeah we've all see the Time Knife. you just gotta die or take some DMT.

I need to finish Malazan

>>2895834
>I'm kind of with Nabokov, when he says he abhors the 'novel of ideas' and prefer to read things generally removed from politics…
a naive quest. it is impossible to truly write something divorced from politics. you can only sweep politics under the rug, and then everyone who steps on the rug wonders why there's a lump under it shaped like a dead body.
>>2895807
Thanks I'll check it out

i like reading heinlein because he's crazy



 

I believe I have my own ideological framework in which I crtically support anything that I think can destablize capitalism regardless of how retarded they are. Does this ideology exist? Im writting a theoratical manifesto but I don't think ill be adding this in, although some parts will be included.

For example I would have supported the shining path entirely if it were that they didn't target other marxist groups like they did IRL. Btw im not a maoist I just really hate capital. I also support many anarchist tatics infact almost all because they are great at sabtoging, but I myself am not an anarchist.
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>>2895590
The big difference is that capitalism displaces peasant property for capitalist property and so creates a class of wage workers who make up the majority of the population.

liberalism

>>2894794

If you smoke some crack you will basically just be nick land

>>2895674
I thought nick land was a meth guy, coke and crack don’t last long enough

to truly dissolve capitalism you must completely destroy the capitalist in your heart. you must not exploit or even try to look for discounts for your selfish.

you must go to mcdonalds and bow prostrated and kiss the feet of the worker. oh my god. oh my oppressed cow of work, you have been exploited. you only give and never take. your my god. only then is the capitalist ego annihilated completely. but the people are liars. they abuse the worker even though the ice cream machine is broken and its not their fault. why dont the owner fix the damn machine so the worker can happily serve happy meals to the consumer. so the value is take and never give and blame the weak because you you can get away with it.

the consumer must love, that is all wisdom you must accept.



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>start a left wing populist org
>a bajillion factions form out of the fact that your economic theory is vague as shit
>get a really loud but small left wing faction
>be DSA
>pic unrelated
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>>2891337
Debs is like the precursor to DSA though, I do agree with >>2892964 that the closet to SYS in DSA has yet to arrive. But i doubt they would be inspired by Chinese socialist system. Chinese centralization is too much for Americans to swallow.

and what pray tell is the "loud but small left wing" of the DSA that is at all comparable to the left KMT/CPC?

>>2893843
nothing comparable to the cpc but you can find plenty of left kmt people comparable to dsa types "the left KMT" was basically anyone who thought the shoot on sight rule for communists was too harsh

>>2893843
Closest persona would be someone similar to Huey Long being SYS




 

No, seriously. What causes someone to become a left communist? Too much reading and not enough living in the real world? Just trying to find a leftist ideology that excuses total inaction?
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>>2891752
>>2891743
>>2891740
As someone who recently visited the pleroma, you offend me with how little you know about gnosticism, hermeticism or even Marxism-Leninism. I am truly shooketh.
>>2891837
You read someone attempting to greenpill, but falling short.
>>2891861
You see you are logical, but in the minds of the purist bordigafags, if your communism is not 100% idealist orthodoxy, then you are not a real communist and you better give up because that Hayekian voice in their heads is constantly nagging them with "nut reel gommunizm". Like this bordigafag over here:
>>2891917
Can you please show me what an economy without commodity production will look like?

>>2894579
The Stalin thread was full of bad faith arguments whereas here, everyone is respectful at least. You will never be a GOD bordigafag.

>>2894768
nah, you are just bitchmade, thats why you hide behind jannies, just like shitalin did behind beria

>>2895389
Never hid behind jannies.
Bordigafag, tell me your ideology. I want to learn about your ideology. tell it to me.

>>2892115
the position this quote refers to was deprecated by the advent of the internet



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For those sick of Zigger Putlerites, Chigger Dengoids, Irauyghur Islamists, DPRK ethno-national-monarchoids, and other right wing multipolaroid schizos pretending MUH ACK-SIS OF RESISTANCE and MUH AMERISRAELI MUTTREICH has anything to do with class struggle.

ITT we laugh at classcuck jewish niggers who pretend:
<the end of America = the end of Capitalism
<Judaism/Zionism is a bigger enemy than Capitalism
<islamists are real resistance to capitalism
<dengoids are real resistance to capitalism
<monarcho-nazism in DPRK is real resistance to capitalism
<muh sahel coalition gang raping gay men is real resistance to capitalism

etc. etc. etc.
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>>2878642
cont.
>>2853401
The bourgeoise definition can explain everything, but the problem of the bourgeoise will present itself in any system as time goes on.

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>>2878429
>Socialism is when clash of civilizations and traditionalism. You (liberal cosmopolitan lgb trnny) wouldn't get it.
the cvltvre war won

>>2859254
we hold these truths to be self evident

BUMP

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Good thread



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https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/04/praxis-of-alienation-and-enmity-on-the-american-communist-party/

>According to Donald Parkinson, Hammoud is most likely the poster Rafiq from the RevLeft forums, as his writing style matches almost 1-to-1 with the forum poster, saying that ideologically at the time Ali was “more of a heterodox leftcom who flirted with the ideas of Mike Macnair and Lars Lih.” Macnair and Lih are communists who reject Stalinism as a failure and call for learning from Karl Kautsky’s Second International.


What the fuck! How did this little bit of leftoid lore go unnoticed? The founder of the MAGAcommunist retard party and /leftypol/'s favorite RevLeft screenshot author circa 2015 were actually the same person all along??
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>>2895112
btw that text was taken from an actual tweet thread he wrote called "marxism is not woke"

>>2895112
Shortest leftist meme

>>2894932
isn't it weird he has so many claimed names. you would think a person with his level of spotlight would have his real name known by now, especially in a modern surveillance state like the US. yet this totally-not-a-glowie guy with an ideology that threatens the US government… they just can't get his real name! weird, huh?

Buy an ad, Donald

>>2895340
Downstream of larping as a muslim online. Probably is christian family.



 

Leftypol is seriously lacking when it comes to a yugoslavia thread. It may not exist on a map, but it still is carried in the hearts of many, and it's vision was not extinguished by it's destruction, it is like a star, though it may long since been dead, it shines bright upon many around the universe, and serves as an image displaying the light and truth.
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It's hard to dislike Tito as a person but i don't know what he was thinking rejecting the USSR like that. Most politically retarded man alive.

>>2894919
The Soviets did have a tendency to treat their allies like proxies, as the Chinese observed later on. Also Tito's beef was legitimate. The Greek communists needed help and Stalin wanted to leave them to die to appease British imperialism. As always an open split was going too far but the Yugos had good reasons to be angry.


>>2894918


That's just all marxist-leninism at this point. all state socialism. yes all

Mandatory



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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/08/18/yvoe-a18.html

On Monday, August 10, a court in Pervomaisk, Ukraine, convicted the Ukrainian socialist Bogdan Syrotiuk of high treason under martial law and sentenced him to 15 years in prison for having called for the unity of Russian and Ukrainian workers against war.

The response to the verdict has been significant and widespread. Nearly 500 people in more than 40 countries, Ukraine and Russia among them, have signed the petition for Bogdan’s release or written letters of protest since the sentencing, and the petition now stands at more than 6,000 names. Historians, doctors, teachers and pensioners have written to the court demanding that the conviction be overturned.

This response stands in sharp contrast to the silence of the major media outlets in the United States and, in particular, the New York Times. The Times has never reported on Bogdan’s case, either his arrest and imprisonment on April 25, 2024, or his sentencing on August 10.

The Times cannot plead ignorance. On Tuesday, August 11, David North, the chairman of the World Socialist Web Site (WSWS) International Editorial Board, wrote to Philip Pan, the international editor of the Times, calling on the paper to cover the case. North pointed out that on the day of Bogdan’s sentencing the Times had published a report headlined “Russian Court Bars Country’s Only Antiwar Party From Running for Parliament,” which noted the seven-year sentence given to the Yabloko party’s deputy chairman, Maxim Kruglov, for a 2022 social media post, while the paper had printed nothing about a Ukrainian sentenced to more than twice that term.

“If the suppression of antiwar political activity in Russia warrants extensive reporting—and it certainly does—then the sentencing of a Ukrainian socialist to 15 years in prison for activities that include publishing antiwar articles warrants no less serious scrutiny,” North wrote.

The Times did not reply. One week after Bogdan’s sentencing, it published a front-page article titled “Held by Russia, Ukrainian Feels ‘Crushing’ Fear,” with a nine-minute produced audio version. It reports on Artem Murdid, a Ukrainian bank worker arrested in occupied Melitopol in March 2023 and sentenced by a Russian court to life in prison on terrorism charges.

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This war is so fucking sick. Worst part is people taking sides and pretending like its some kind of fun video game to debate about on reddit.

Is Zelensky a stalinist?

>>2894905
No industrialization, no stalinism.

>>2894905
poroshenko banned communist parties, zelensky banned socialist parties, ended elections, and further privatized the eeconomy, with guidance from the US ruling class. zelensky is like a yeltsin's yeltsin



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I have come to a serious realization.

The essence of communism is not the nationalization of the means of production. That is a byproduct of a more fundamental change in society.

The essence of communism is the government directly controlling labor i.e. people.

>besides the point, but interesting video you should check out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eZN8hmkSZU

A new government telling YOU to what to work on and where to work, given your capabilities and resources in the rest of society.
And this is objectively Good if the new government is Good.

This is a core redpill that is too hard to swallow for retards and normies. Those who understand need to evangelize the commie sigma grindset because the human capital for communism is very rare. That mindset is the Hive-mind. Broken people reject the hive-mind when it is an unavoidable prerequisite for communism. We will not be able to build communism with people broken and alienated by crapitalism. As crapistalism turns even worse, more and more of the entreprolecariat will gnosticpill themselves. The result is nihilism for the wealth accumulators and suicide for the rest. It will be a total dark age because human development and the divine reaching for the stars is possible only through social practice of actual vigor. All the good people are dying and returning to the pleroma. There are fewer and fewer people left to make communism work.

We will not see communism come back anytime soon because those that can do it, won't.
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>>2860715
I mean hey, if that's the word you like to use. I don't think you can honestly say, though, that it doesn't have a negative connotation in the western psyche. Gemeinwesen, however, is the explicit Marxian term which I believe has been articulated by Bordiga others in his vein, and has its own delicate German connotation and etymology.

If you have spare time consult these…ah I see he does mention 'community' a lot in the manuscripts but among the most powerful is the one more on point with hivemind'. The text is 'estranged labor' and the term is 'Gattungswesen' or 'species-being'. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm mandatory reading for leftypol in general

>>2860947
I'll read it.
And yes it does have a negative connotation. Either you are viewed as naïve, a fool, or an opressor authority figure. Atomized individuals are on the entrepreneur worship train and they aren't getting off.

>>2860724
we live rent free in your head

why do you avatarfag as this bad pirate show from the 90s

>>2877941
Because I like it, at least parts of it that trigger my loosh. And it inspired Skies of Arcadia and some other things.



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Questions about a theoretical communist state:

How would accreditation work under communism. Say there is a construction project. How would the materials be assessed to be of high enough quality, how would the plumbing electricity, etc be assessed to have been installed in a safe way? If one has to go into surgery how can they be sure that the medical team is operating in a properly sanitized environment without state set standards for what that would be?
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>>2893392
>without state set standards for what that would be?
"State" in marxism refers to the bureaucratic and military apparatus deployed to safeguard the interest of the bourgeoisie. This sort of administration would be abolished, just like the bourgeois revolutions in the late 19th/early 20th century abolished monarchical States.
For the administration of things, which is what you refer by State, these would be done by the people through democratic means. There's no reason that democratic assemblies could not confer oversight for regulations and safety norms to specific organs.

>>2895072
Are you going to respond to a video call at a random time of day with everyone else in the country, if not the world, to discuss and decide on regulations?

>>2893392
I suggest you read Marxist texts on the definition of the state. The state is an instrument through which one class oppresses another, because a class-based society is characterized by irreconcilable antagonisms between property owners, both against one another and against those who lack property, which inevitably lead to conflict. For this reason, an entity separate from and alienated from this society emerges to provide a certain hypocritical “order” that maintains the ruling classes in power within a class-based society.

<The state is therefore by no means a power imposed on society from without; just as little is it “the reality of the moral idea,” “the image and the reality of reason,” as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is a product of society at a particular stage of development; it is the admission that this society has involved itself in insoluble self-contradiction and is cleft into irreconcilable antagonisms which it is powerless to exorcise. But in order that these antagonisms, classes with conflicting economic interests, shall not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, a power, apparently standing above society, has become necessary to moderate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of “order”; and this power, arisen out of society, but placing itself above it and increasingly alienating itself from it, is the state.


<In contrast to the old gentile organization, the state is distinguished firstly by the grouping of its members on a territorial basis. The old gentile bodies, formed and held together by ties of blood, had, as we have seen, become inadequate largely because they presupposed that the gentile members were bound to one particular locality, whereas this had long ago ceased to be the case. The territory was still there, but the people had become mobile. The territorial division was therefore taken as the starting point and the system introduced by which citizens exercised their public rights and duties where they took up residence, without regard to gens or tribe. This organization of the citizens of the state according to domicile is common to all states. To us, therefore, this organization seems natural; but, as we have seen, hard and protracted struggles were necessary before it was able in Athens and Rome to displace the old
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There would be a state, just under a different name. Just how money would be labor credits.

Unless people evolve new psychological biological, functions, the state will take care of the deficiencies.

>>2893537
You are the idiot, because you are the anarkiddie.

>>2895103
Why change the name to begin with? To deceive people?
Engels (1872):
<These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm



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