/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2864674
Differences in language make economic participation harder

https://www.marxist.ca/article/emergency-resolution-in-solidarity-with-the-struggle-of-the-people-of-azad-kashmir

Kashmir should be free

>>2864631
The PKK and that whole side of Kurdish politics very famously renounced separatism, anon.

All CIA plants to hamper the development of the productive forces.

>>2866129
>muh brodugdiv vorzez
Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa are all more developed than England was when Marx wrote Capital. How many more centuries do you need?

>>2864696
> The best realistic scenario I can see is the decentralisation of power to a more local level so that (a) it's easier for leftists to obtain it and (b) each area can experiment and see what works in their specific circumstances or make the trade-offs they desire, and other areas can learn from their experiences.
socialism in one municipal district

>>2864742
You remain wrong. Puppet agents of finance capital exist in all countries on the periphery of capitalism. For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty. However, for this to be done, there is no agreement to be made with the bourgeoisie; therefore, state-owned enterprises must be used so that technology is democratized in a country that is under the control of capitalists who use blackmail against countries that do not have technological sovereignty. The solution is the use of state capitalism with state-owned enterprises competing against capitalists; this will facilitate democratization to prepare for the socialist revolution in a revolutionary situation.

This follows what Engels and Marx wrote:

<(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.

<Frederick Engels, 1847, The Principles of Communism

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

As for what to do if the petty bourgeoisie wishes to nationalize something or propose taxes, the Marxist position is not to be a lackey to deliver property into the hands of capitalists nor to defend them:

<2. They must drive the proposals of the democrats to their logical extreme (the democrats will in any case act in a reformist and not a revolutionary manner) and transform these proposals into direct attacks on private property. If, for instance, the petty bourgeoisie propose the purchase of the railways and factories, the workers must demand that these railways and factories simply be confiscated by the state without compensation as the property of reactionaries. If the democrats propose a proportional tax, then the workers must demand a progressive tax; if the democrats themselves propose a moderate progressive tax, then the workers must insist on a tax whose rates rise so steeply that big capital is ruined by it; if the democrats demand the regulPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports
If the workers have the world have united, where the fuck are imports coming from? Mars?!
The rest is just wishcasting. If you think that Air New Zealand has the bourgeoisie seething because it's an SOE (which incidentally furnished the country's current leader) you're delusional. If you think state ownership leads to the "democratisation of technology" just like that, you're delusional. (Quite famously one of the few good things to come out of privatisation is that waiting times for landline installation fell from 6 months to about 1 week max.) There is no inherent reason to assume state employees are benevolent. In practice public services are just as prone to empire building and cover-ups as private sector ones.
(This, incidentally, is why I am a fan of decentralisation. I am not some market dogmatist who thinks that the private sector should run all bus services, but I do think that each local area should commission the services it needs via a local council sufficiently close to the public that you can personally know someone with some decision making power. It is pointless having a national bus company subject to "democratic oversight" by an MP who also represents 80,000 other people, or to have a russian-doll system where you have to complain to your block leader, who reports to a councillor, who reports to a regional leader, who reports to a national MP, who maybe reports to the bus committee…)

Governments choose to issue public debt and do not, as a general rule have austerity enforced upon them when they are spending within their actual capacities. The last time the UK ran a surplus was in 2001, France hasn't run one since 1974, USA 2001, Germany 2019, Portugal 2025, China 2007, Indonesia 2000, Brazil 2013, Chile 2022. Greece is an unusual exception, but behaved profligately by any standard and found itself bullied by other Euro member states rather than international markets. There are only a handful of countries in the world worse off today than they were in 1980. Your just-so story about "becom[ing] a deindustrialized colony without control of any technology for the export of raw materials" is just total nonsense - most of the gPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2865023
>Plants require humans, but the global share of industrial workers has stayed consistent […]
That's true to an extent but this is also because of the poor state that industries are in. Compare to China's manufacturing sector and you see that, although automation has replaced many workers, it has also created new fields for engineers alongside new jobs in more technical plants for workers.

>you cannot say the sector as a whole has declined just because you don't like its compositional changes
The composition does matter because when people complain about deindustrialization, they're complaining about losing sovereignty, losing regional jobs, losing low-skill high-value gigs and lastly losing technological savoir-faire (and the jobs that go alongside it)
More over, the general claim on deindustrialization is that it made the nation loose its economic sovereignty. It made unions powerless and stripped the state out of an effective investment potential.

>Most European countries are better off today than they were before "Deindustrialisation
You need to compare to the potential we lost rather than the state we had

> I do not consider healthcare to be welfare spending for these purposes and "Actual quality" is basically a wash
You're making a category error here

>The idea postwar keynesianism was driven because of the USSR is another just-so story
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>>2865156
>For there to be socialization of the economy and solidarity with the workers of the world, it is necessary not to depend on imports; therefore, there must be economic sovereignty.
doesn't everyone depend on at least some imports? especially island nations without much biodiversity or ores?

This video goes over his ideology.

Israel is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic commune.

Quiet part out loud.

>>2859665
unless you work at a "family business"

man this thread died quick

>>2861452
did you think we were going to overthrow the US govt in a thread?

life sucks and we all deal differently

>>2859296
>overthrow the US government already you fat fucks
no, the US gov is the real movement

I have a feeling Hegseth has the potential to become a Coriolanus. He already has the psychological traits and motivations. A commander who starts out fiercely loyal to his homeland, but through war comes to admire aspects of the enemy while growing disillusioned with his own state's political leadership and civilian society as decadent, and ungrateful. All it would take is for him to be cast aside by his own side and offered a place by the enemy and you'd have a classic Coriolanus.

Bukharin has had a greater influence on Chinese Marxism than Mao. Mao is often viewed as a rural yokel who was useful for winning the revolution, but outside of a small group of unusual, self-loathing Westerners, few people take him seriously as a Marxist theorist.

coal

>>2864992
>Bukharin has had a greater influence on Chinese Marxism than Mao.
Proof?

>>2865685
At least it's not RP. Critsup for OP

>robbery and grand theft auto
How about the stock market? That's what the visible half of porky does, isn't it? The other half does do violent heists and such, the cartels and mafias and the big bourg are one and the same in the big 2020s after all.

As a barely literate thirdoid who makes around 1800 USD a month I don't know a thing 'bout moni all I know is that on my job I get paid in the last week of the month if I work for jobsman and then I'm happy

I tried looking at the stock market a few times but there are way too many big boy words going on in there and my mind just keeps concluding it's a retarded and debauched casino to save myself some energy then I walk away everytime

>>2865965
Stock market is the best solution right now, banks don't store that much money on premises anymore. Remember that US Megachurches/Televangelists encourage all their listeners to donate 10% of their salaries to them, no matter how poor they are. Imagine if every socialist in the world saved 5% of their salary, invested it in the stock market, and let it grow so they can donate it to their party.

>>2865685
You can't larp on the internet by definition.

take out power substations in areas with gun stores. go rob the gun stores while the cameras and alarms are off. go back and kill whoever is repairing the substation. Steal their truck. Take out more substations while disguised as electricians. rinse and repeat. Distract cops and firefighters with arson then loot police and fire stations.

>>2864622
>I wanted to see if the discussion actually lead anywhere
well it could if you put as much effort into answering my questions as i put into answering your questions, but your brain won't let you.
>>2864626
don't let this anon get under your skin

>>2864643
>well it could if you put as much effort into answering my questions
Your questions were shit and required more context you failed to provide.
>>2864626
The sky is not relevant to this discussion, so no.

>>2864594
I agree that you can't just sweep things under the rug, but by definition if you have universal equal rights to employment, housing, education, etc combined with socialist relations of production then by definition you can't "reproduce those same relations" of settler colonialism and slavery. That's just a huge exaggeration. At most you might have lingering discrimination in some areas, but even just removing the capitalist basis of the economy would dramatically improve the conditions of oppressed nations in America.

>>2864691
>Your questions were shit and required more context you failed to provide.

for those who haven't read the entire conversation, these were the questions


>if you suffer a traumatic brain injury, are you the same person as before? I say no. Do you say yes?

>Does your brain produce the same behavioral outputs it would have produced had you not received any brain damage? I say no. Do you say yes?

>Does a person with brain damage process stimuli as quickly and reliably as a person without brain damage?

>I say no. Do you say yes?

>Does a person with brain damage process stimuli and produce outputs as quickly or reliably or accurately as a person without brain damage? I say no. Do you

>>2838819
>Why are so many modern communists obsessed with liberal concept of indigenous rights
because they're blood and soil SJWs hypnotized by woke hitlerism

DIE AMERIKKKAN TOTAL CANADIAN VICTORY

what kind of name is sigmort

>>2863943
I know you're joking but unironically we should all get together and make some kind of business to appeal to rightoids and then give the profit to Palestinian charities or something

>>2863932
It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head

>>2863948
>>2863948
>It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head
😂

>>2863940
cute! idk why anyone would pay for it though

>>2863943
we salute our heroes

>>2863277
Didn't Iran want the US to invade Iraq?

>>2863493
test

>>2863425
Proof?

>>2863397
I am covenant theology and NIFB. The church has replaced Israel because of the historical context of the law ending in 33 AD with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and 70 AD with the destruction of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem by Titus Flavius. James says to break one law is to be guilty of all. And what is the wages of sin? DEATH! That's why people sacrificed chickens, goats and oxes for burnt offerings. It covered sins but the blood of sheeps and bulls cannot remove sin. Only the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ can do that. However, I do believe that in the Old Testament, salvation worked differently. The holy spirit wasn't required and when people did receive it, they could lose it. King David even wrote in one of the Psalms take not your holy spirit from me. But in the NT, the holy spirit is required for salvation and once you receive it by believing in the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, you are sealed to the day of redemption. The Bible says they have eternal life. That's PRESENT-TENSE, not future. There is no backsliding. You can still sin, but no one born of God commits sin. That's because they have the holy ghost. Paul even said it is not I that sin but the spirit of sin that lives within me. Your flesh still sins. But some people who make it to Heaven are gonna be left with no rewards after the judgment seat of Christ. That's why you continue in belief and not apostatize so you can be given the crown of life. The Bible says that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus. Obviously, unsaved Israel is not blessed by God. The answer to Genesis 12:5 is Galatians 3:16. It didn't mean God will bless those that bless Israel, it said ABRAHAM'S SEED! Jews butcher the NT. Rabbi Tovias Singer cannot read his own book.

>>2863502
multipolar cucks want you to forget that