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PMC leftists when blue collars whine about immigrants taking their jerbs
>Why are these people so backwards and stupid? Don't they know that wages already declined even before immigration and that immigrants mostly take over jobs that nobody wants to work with in the first place?

PMC leftists when AI take their jobs:
>NO AI SLOP SLOP FUCK AI I HATE AI LYNCH AI BURN THE DATASERVERS

And no, i'm not justifying anti immigration nativism, the point against them are valid and true. But those same points apply with AI. Wages are already declining long before AI is a thing, and AI is used primarily, in the creative industry setting, for entry level jobs with low wages that nobody wants to work in. You know, like making codemonkey scripts or making fillers for game backgrounds. But its the fucking hypocrisy i can't stand: you guys can correctly see through hysteria when it affects the blue collars, but when it affects your substratum's interest, your creative art making and programming jobs, suddenly you become as insane as the most rabid nativists who think that haitians are eating cat and dogs
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Reminder to hide, sage, filter, and report people who speak of "PMC" as a real thing

i would rather view, bump, pin and congratulate people who speak up on the "PMC" menace

Because a job that AI can "do" was not real in the first place, because AI is useless.

This is why non-twitter artists have been and will remain fine, actual programmers have been and will remain fine, every job that AI claims it will replace have been and will remain fine. JavaScript framework devs, marketing, tech support and managerial jobs, however, are fucked because they weren't doing anything competent, useful or conceptually coherent to begin with, so now that we have a generalized method of automating doing a job badly, these jobs will cease to exist after the AI bubble.

>>2602231
Inane and inaccurate.

>>2602241
Your AI concubine will not survive the bubble, cope.



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Why is China willingly wasting it's time and resources with the AI thing rather than continuing to develop the productive forces while they're still ahead?

Is the idea that they can lead the west into going all-in on something fruitless with the knowledge that China can tank the damage, merely leading the AI race to get the west to hurdle faster at it? Like the AI race is a tunnel painted on a brick wall? Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that? Like I know they're stupid but surely not that stupid.

not too sure if this is a /leftypol/ or /tech/ thing, sorry.
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>>2563243
>Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that? Like I know they're stupid but surely not that stupid.
they're absolutely that stupid. the US "AI bubble" in the stock market is the biggest stock market bubble in US history. It is even bigger than the one that led to the great depression. You have to understand, over 90% of increased GDP in the USA over the past year comes from the AI bubble. And what's more important is, the entire AI bubble is perched precariously on top of Nvidia's chips, but Nvidia doesn't even make chips. They just design them. Taiwan manufactures the.m. So this also accelerates the reunification crisis between "Taiwan" and the PRC. if reunification happens, burgers are cooked in the AI race. Listen to Norton.

>>2601580
Is Bluey kino? I keep seeing it around and the artstyle is appealing to me. Hows the writing?

>>2601371
>Okay but is that machine learning or AI though?
Thats like asking if a golden retriever is a dog or an animal. Machine learning is a subset of AI.

>>2601775
Really good overall! I play it for my 1.5yo kid and we both get to enjoy it. It's written to be a show where a lot of episodes have lessons for both kids and parents, and a lot of great background plotlines for the parents to pick up on as they binge watch with their kids. The lessons are good, the characters are lovable, and it's not annoying baby babble like 90% of little kids media. It's an engaging depiction of childhood/parenthood that can be really sweet and, particularly in the case of the episode "The Sign", heartbreaking.

My main criticism of it is that it very much centers an upper-petty bourgeois lifestyle with parents who have a ton of free time, own a pretty large home, and send their kids to a fancy waldorf school. Basically all of the characters in the show enjoy this privileged life (there's actually a pretty funny subtle joke where a French poodle has 9 kids, the implication being because she's rich and Catholic), and kids/parents from more common (working class) backgrounds aren't even acknowledged, let alone shown. I don't necessarily have an issue with kids shows presenting an idealized depiction of childhood, but the idealized depiction has a distinct class character that's pretty impossible to ignore. It's not sinister like Paw Patrol, which is straight-up copaganda banned in our house, but as a working class parent I know there are going to be times where I'll have to have tough conversations with my daughter, where I have to explain that not all parents can do and provide what Bluey's parents do.

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>>2563243
>Like the AI race is a tunnel painted on a brick wall? Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that?

There's a lot going into it. In part, it's less that they're stupid and more that that's where all the money is, so that determines what their companies do. Culturally, the high tech bourgeoisie also want to obviate the need for their pmc, especially after these minor rebellions related to palestine.

But in private, if you talk to anyone involved in ai, they'll admit that the math doesn't make sense. The chance of actually profiting off of the insane amount of money invested at this point is practically zero. The majority of people don't like ai or what it represents. It's actually useful applications are very narrow. No one really needs or wants it, but all this investment is predicated on the idea that it will be everywhere, doing everything, and somehow all these people that ai replaces are going to spend money on it to the tune of trillions of dollars.

I think as far as these ai developers are concerned, individually, there's nothing they can really do about it. That's where the money is to the point the us gov has more or less pledged to backstop them economically. Divesting from ai is akin to ordering the sea not to come in.

I'm speculating here, but I also think that, as a class, ai is considered an essential technology to the bourgeoisie for a number of reasons. The pmc has to be disciplined and ideally eliminated as a significant economic and social factor. It also represents a further enclosure of the digital, intellectual cultural commonses, increasing bourgeois control over these areas.

Further, intellectual automation helps mitigate the demographic crisis of whicg the western bourgeoisie are currently on the wrong side of the ratio. To use the disparity between China and the US as an example, China has, what, three or four times the population that the US does? In terms of productive output, the US simply can't compete with that. A lot of noise has been made about China's population decline, but even assuming that trend and the US's remain static, how many decades would it take before they reach parity?

I think realistically speaking also, the forces which have prevented the US's own population decline also aren't liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


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>>2600935
like I said, my question was less about CPUSA specifically. the question came to mind because I was looking on their website to see if they said anything about browderism, band they did have negative things to say about it. You're correct in saying that it's just rhetoric and you have to look at their actions, but it got me thinking about the more general question of changing organizations from within. Obviously you can't do that with bourgeois parties, but can you do it with degenerated communist parties? It's a theoretical question meant more generally. You are probably right that it's not worth doing it with CPUSA specifically.

>>2600632
>le revolutionary moment
Is not going to happen. This is not Tsarist Russia, nor Imperial China, Nor Imperial Ethiopia, Nor Colonial Vietnam, Nor whatever, nor ever will be. Get your head out of your memes. Let us live in reality. You will never shoot it out with the government and win. It will never happen. The armed forces will never decide, "whoah, I guess the communists students are more popular than the government, so let's overthrow the government." And that didn't work out in Ethiopia. Just stop. Be realistic. We live in an actual democracy. If the majority of people wanted communism, we would have it. But they don't.

>>2601193
You will never win shooting it out with the government and the armed forces. Even if you got every single person who is a civilian to rise up against them you would never win shooting it out. They have a million trump cards. It's such a ridiculous fucking premise.

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>The Trident II D5 missile system has been a critical component of the U.S. strategic deterrent capabilities since its introduction.

Russia showed in the field there is no way to intercept these warheads.

>>2601680
Oops don't know why the bongs called there missiles and subs the same thing.
Ohiooo hioo hioo hioo.



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Nah, what is this thread even for at this point? To be repeatedly asked our own equivalent of
>But do you condemn October 7th?
for years and years?

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Tried to bake >>2601953

>>2601927
to inform people that comes in, also to counter propagandized people. yeah.

>>2601885
not little pigs, but underpigs.



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SHOKË ENVER HOXHA GENERAL
I feel like the legendary bunker man is severely under represented in leftypol. I'm pretty sure there was must be a few Hoxhaists here. While I do not know much about Comrade Enver, the little I have read of him is very interesting. For example, his criticism of China and eclecticisms like blending religion and communism (islamic communism e.g).
Let this be a warm bunker for learning and discussing about the Mountain of Tirana.
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>>2601161
That's a guy who came out from a brutal secular regime were Islamists were persecuted as well lol

>>2601157
Proof? Source? Evidence? Hoxha won.
>>2601166
>a brutal secular regime were Islamists were persecuted as well lol
Yes but, ISIS and Al Qaeda were funded in part by Amerikkka, you fucking idiot. It wasn't "organic", America sent money over to it in order to hinder communist movements from development.

>>2601185
Amerikkka successed considering cucks like you support islamists now (axis of resistance was literally put in power by the US administration in Iraq xD)

>>2601190
I never supported Islamists though? Hoxha was always against religion, Amerikkkuck. I don't support anything that is useless to the movement at large. You are scum and a traitor diverting attention away from the revolution.

>>2601202
He supported the Khomeini in the 80s but he was probably suffering dementia at the time



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2597575
he's said he's run out of ideas for videos

>>2597576
Here's a good idea: a series of videos on Das Kapital. Where the main ideas of each chapter are summarised and presented in a specifically cybernetic framework (that is, ignoring all the cultural and historic references etc, and going straight into the vectors and matrices).

>>2597577
not a bad idea. email it to him

So, is there anything happening in the cybercom sphere? Any news?

the Arbeitzeitrechnung people posted pdfrel. it seems these gentlemen have managed to get so far as to realize time exists. I also find it amusing that a bunch of Germans would choose the acronym FIC to describe the wage rate



 

Today begins the presidential and legislative election of the Central American of Honduras. With the left-wing Libre party, wish wishes to change the constitution to an anti-neolib and democratic socialist stance, at odds with the liberal and social conservative neoliberal bloc.
Whilst this is happening, Trump has pardoned a former Honduran president convicted of drug trafficking offences whilst going off about how conveniently the whole Venezuelan military high command is full of alleged drug traffickers. Honduras is of considerable strategic importance to the United States. With several U.S. Army bases situated there. Trump has also gone off about how the electorate must vote away from the Libre "communists" and vote anyone else.
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>>2578974
many such cases (actually all such cases)

Election protests in Honduras as Congress panel vows not to validate result

Officials of a Honduras Congress panel threatened on Wednesday not to validate the result of a Nov. 30 presidential election, citing an "electoral coup" and "interference" by U.S. President Donald Trump, as counting stretched into an 11th day.

While the ruling LIBRE leftist party has no chance of winning the election, it is throwing its support behind Salvador Nasralla, of the center-right Liberal party, who has also alleged fraud and said he has won the election.
It is unclear if Wednesday's declaration by the permanent commission of Congress, which escalates the election crisis, could be enough to annul the results, which must be validated by two of the three members of the National Electoral Council.

With more than 99% of ballots counted, conservative Nasry Asfura of the National Party was about 40,000 votes ahead of Nasralla of the Liberal Party, while LIBRE candidate Rixi Moncada was a distant third.
But inconsistencies in roughly 15% of the tally sheets require further review, heightening the political suspense, as those could be sufficient to sway the election outcome.

<could honduras become the 1st country to defy the us under trump?


More audio recordings have leaked implying election fraud

>Honduran president Xiomara Castro announces that she will denounce an alleged "electoral coup" to the UN, the OAS, and the EU, accusing U.S. president Donald Trump of "interference."



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Revolution almost always requires a brutal civil war so that a new society emerges from it. But the ideal of a new society never emerges immadietly after. We see it with the french revolution, and then the russian revolution. The american revolution seems like an exemption from this. Why is that?
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>>2553950
>There isn't much of a question of "what is to be done" or executing loyalists en masse or what have you because the loyalists could just fuck off to Canada and the Patriots who could risk turning on the revolution could be bribed with further expansion.

This is true but honestly when it comes to the American revolution people do downplay the violence between Patriots and Loyalists more than they think due to a lot of American Historians wanting to make it out like the US was the best kind of compromise while the French Revolution "went too far" even though there were a lot of lynchings and land seizures of Loyalists. In fact, the word "lynch" comes from the judge Charles Lynch who went out and did extrajudicial violence against the Loyalists at the time.

While the American Revolution wasn't that revolutionary it was much more violent and would have been much more like being in a Civil War at the time then modern people realize due to how it's been written about by historians. In fact, there's a good argument it has a lot more in common with the English Civil War then many people realize.

>>2561210
*true to an extent

>>2554983
So why does the left never talk about "socialized relations of production" being dominant and held back by a reactionary capitalist class?

If those relations don't exist then communism isn't possible and the question of revolution/civil war is irrelevant.

Revolution is dialectical way for accumulated (quantitative) changes to shift to new quality, so if anything doesn't happen then was no material foundation for it

>>2553637
With mass surveillence and predictive AI revolutions become impossible. Even in 3rd world they can ask assist from imperial core to give a list of potential troublemakers. Mesnwhile proles are celebrating this as crime rates go down.



 

Nobody cares about "revisionism". Nobody cares if you think socialism ended in the USSR in 1953 or whatever. Nobody cares about your position on debates and splits that took place decades before they were born. What people *do* care about is that socialism and can solve the problems that face them, like poverty and colonialism. I've seen people here ridicule the notion that socialism is helping people but there is really no other way to build power. People did not follow Lenin because he had the right ideas but because the Bolsheviks were the only conceivable solution that didn't end in what would later be known as fascism. Why does the CPC have near-universal approval in China? Because their system works and it provides for the people. Almost nobody there wants to return to the days of the Cultural Revolution. And where is anti-revisionist cause celebre Albania today? Now just another NATO puppet state. The entire concept of "anti-revisionism" is anti-materialist because it puts ideas before people. It doesn't matter if you have the right ideas because Marxism was never about having the right ideas. What matters is having the right practice. Here's another truke: If your system can be undone by a single bad actor with mere decrees, then maybe it was useless and was never going to make it in the first place.
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You have just a backwards, unscientific ideology. Nothing you do will amount to anything. You are not Marxists.

>>2532098
>nObOdy cArEs
it is sufficient to say "i don't care about X" but even that is not worth saying at all because it adds nothing. narcissists always have to pretend their personal dumbass opinion is universal which is why why they'll bludgeon you with "nObOdy cArEs" instead of just quietly moving on from subjects which do not interest them

>>2559014
Kamala stans make the exact faggot argument OP did
Your mum should kill herself

What do you determine is useful information and what's not? That's the more important question. Until we talk about that it will be endless shitflinging between the two extremes.

>>2559451
>What do you determine is useful information and what's not?
Emprical evidence of it working in real life or not.



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Interested to see if we have any contrarians here who can explain why the RSF is good and anti-imperialist actually. They're secular and portrayed as the bad guys in western media, so they're probably the good guys?
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So this is the multipolarity that was promised

The UAE's strategy is to create interdependence on global, often conflicting power players in order to carve out its little colonialist enterprises in Africa and Yemen. So they submit to US military dominance in the gulf, help Russia avoid sanctions and just signed a new trade deal with China. They also offer a safe haven for oligarch money. This way they can fund this arab supremacist, genocidal RSF and no one tells them to stop

>>2584404
60 000 dead 150 000 missing.

South Sudan army moves into Heglig after ‘tripartite deal’

South Sudanese troops have entered the Heglig oil field in West Kordofan after an agreement with Sudan’s warring parties. The field processes some 130,000 barrels of South Sudanese crude for export via pipelines in Sudan.

The deal requires both Sudanese parties to withdraw from the field and allows South Sudanese forces to protect oil installations to prevent sabotage, Nang said. The aim is to “completely neutralise” the area from combat as battles intensify across the Kordofan region.

South Sudanese troops will not participate in any military operations inside Sudan and will maintain strict neutrality, he stressed, adding the SSPDF’s mandate is limited to securing oil infrastructure vital to both countries’ economies.

The deployment follows the RSF’s takeover of the strategic site on Monday, which forced SAF units to retreat across the border into South Sudan, where they surrendered their weapons.

Economist Wael Fahmy told Radio Dabanga that the RSF’s capture of Heglig is significant but will have limited economic effect. Revenues from the sector have become marginal and “consequently, oil is no longer a vital resource for domestic consumption for the government.”

Heglig’s production has fallen from 65,000 barrels per day to around 20,000 since fighting between SAF and the RSF escalated in April 2023. As reported by Dabanga yesterday, the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) withdrew from Sudan after three decades, citing deteriorating security in the West Kordofan fields.

https://www.dabangasudan.org/en/all-news/article/south-sudan-army-moves-into-heglig-after-tripartite-deal
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Aren't they committing a genocide right now?



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