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I'm a self-prescribed democratic socialist who has been ultra-leftist curious and been following the whole Juche/anarchist/Maoist scene for a bit, and I'm genuinely trying to understand something before supporting them. People keep talking about a "disorganized vanguard" or "leaderless resistance" but how does that actually work in practice? Like, who makes decisions when something happens? Who calls off an action? Who coordinates between different groups?

I've seen references to "beta tests" and people moving between cities, but no one ever says who's organizing the logistics. Is it just loose networks of people who know each other from previous actions? Or are there specific collectives or hubs that people should be aware of, for safety reasons, obviously? Also, what's the deal with the Juche tag specifically? Is it just a vibe or are there actual reading groups, signal chats, etc.? Are you guys represnting a formal organization that commits to political action?

Not trying to start drama. Just trying to map things out so I know who to avoid or who to listen to.
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>>2838159
>>those would be three different sceneshose would be three different scenes

Thats whats confusing, why do we identify individuals and find people who can navigate between all 3? why would someone do this? why would someone be in an ML party, anarchist collectives, demsoc organizations, juche reading groups, anarchist reading groups, all at once unless they were like some foreign glowie looking to be tied into every american dissident movement? Yeah but i found out that they united under a code during occupy and they all signed off and distributed some point of solidarity between all on the revolutionary left this is basically what later became antifa.


> I would honestly be uncomfortable messing with foreign state (NK) actors in any case because they have a very specific agenda and attract counter intelligence services


You dont have to do that to get counter inteligence all you have to do is piss of the american federal government, people dont know how deep it is rigged against them. the army intelligence units and pentagon actively domestically spy on anarchists.


>>2838164

it might be a troll but how come there looks like theres so much truth to it? how come the doxxed individuals here actually lead me back to people who seem to be people who grift between anarchism, maoism and juche? its just a strange rabbit hole man. what about the warehouse poem that predicted the LA worker snapping a month before it happened? is this just coicidence or idk? is it actually possible north korea would have support for leftists in the usa or is that just a cia thing?

>>2838168

The arrest records, the death records, the grift between anarcho and juche all match a lot of the people these trolls post so im just wondering, even if this is a troll, what in the fuck is this schizo tendency?

>>2838164

and why do some of them seem different? the writing style sometimes appears as if they run spam bots here, then the writing style sometimes seems real and human? what about all the anti-juche posts? did anyone with juche tag themselves ever post in support of meth or violent rage or any of that? they seemed more subtle, but the conspiracy threads seemed like absolute trolls you are right. but how is so much niche truth buried into it? how are the names, the arrests, the deaths and the grifts all matching the troll? its strange. if the far right /pol/ was proven to be grounds for intelligence assets all over the globe, then the leftist version has to have some of its own, REAL, strange things too, right?

food for thought

the far right and cia backed anarchists and maoists during the years of lead, because theyre violence created a stronge reactionary base among citizens

quite possible anarchists,maoists, and jucheists arent a troll but a glow operation to employ a strategy of tension and make communists look like a shady force of hateful people

>>2838191
>the far right and cia backed anarchists and maoists during the years of lead, because theyre violence created a stronge reactionary base among citizens
milquetoast normies dont like violence? oh merciful heavens how dreadful.



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https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/06/afghanistan-new-code-enabling-child-marriage-compounds-dismal-situation-for-womens-and-girls-rights/

>A new decree from the Taliban enabling child marriage is the latest salvo in an ongoing assault on the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan, Amnesty International said in a new legal analysis.


>The Decree No. 18 “Code on Judicial Separation of Spouses”, published by the Taliban in an official gazette on 14 May 2026, codifies the circumstances under which women and girls may seek separation from marriages. It includes provisions that uphold marriages arranged during childhood and restrict women’s and girls’ ability to challenge or leave such unions.


>Prior to August 2021, Afghanistan’s civil code set the legal marriage age for girls at 16, while marriages involving girls under the age of 15 were criminalized under the 2009 Elimination of Violence Against Women (EVAW) law. Afghanistan also had legal and institutional mechanisms aimed at addressing violence and discrimination against women and girls, including family courts, specialized units within the Attorney General’s Office and Ministry of Interior, and a high-level commission tasked with addressing violence against women, child marriage, and family separation matters.


>While these protections were often inconsistently implemented and significant barriers remained, they nonetheless provided women and girls with some legal avenues for protection and access to justice. Today, these laws and institutional structures have been dismantled by the Taliban and replaced with deeply discriminatory and repressive systems that further entrench gender inequality and restrict women’s rights and autonomy.


How do we stop muslim pedos from normalizing pedophilia and child marriage in a multipolar world?
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>>2837977
i can see the value and positives of china distabalizing american dominance, sure, but otherwise i really dont see the value in upholding ccp intrests when it comes to being on good terms with the fucking taliban or trading with israel, i really dont

>>2837143
It really wasn't. As others have pointed out, child rape in other forms (especially pederastry) was widespread under that government. It was also obscenely corrupt, completely incompetent, not remotely sovereign, and composed of some of the most viscious criminals and warlords in the world. It had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. At the very least with it gone the people of Afghanistan (which like it or not includes the Taliban) are free to determine their affairs for themselves.

>>2837314
so? that doesn't make seculars the majority and both seculars and their zionist backers love to piggyback and takeover any unrelated protest (and ruin it) like they did in december when people were protesting inflation

>>2837848
>sanction hurt the ruling class and not the people! SANCTIOOOOONS!
kys imperialist lib

>>2836858
Ooga booga where the Aishas at



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What does anarchy look like?
How can anarchy be achieved?
Which current groups best represent the movement?
How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?
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>>2833437
That depends, but I would say leaning towards for

>>2833437
That answer depends on whether or not you accept hobbesian philosophy as fact. We're individuals not clones.

>>2833437
Broadly for, as long as you don’t start defining the means of producing a living as “private property”

>>2830238

>What does anarchy look like?


Federated worker and community councils managing production and distribution directly. The Zapatista autonomous municipalities and the Spanish collectives are the closest historical examples of this actually functioning at scale.

>How can anarchy be achieved?


Building dual power. Unions, cooperatives, mutual aid networks, popular assemblies until these institutions can absorb the functions of the state as it's dismantled.

>Which current groups best represent the movement?


Politically: Black Rose Anarchist Federation in the US, IWA internationally. Both have coherent theory and organizational discipline rather than just vibes. Prefiguratively: Cooperation Jackson and Cooperation Tulsa. They are building actual economic infrastructure like, worker coops, community land trusts, solidarity economy networks.

>How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?

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>>2830238
>What does anarchy look like?
Communism
>How can anarchy be achieved?
Communism
>Which current groups best represent the movement?
Communists
>How can we all fight to destroy authoritarian capitalism in our daily lives?
Communism



 

China isn't "communist" in the old Maoist sense it's the world's most dynamic capitalist market today.
Deng Xiaoping's reforms were pure capitalist genius, decollectivizing agriculture, creating Special Economic Zones, welcoming foreign investment, and letting markets allocate resources where central planning had failed miserably. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty in a single generation, the greatest anti-poverty achievement in human history. Dengism proved that pragmatic market incentives, competition, and entrepreneurship work better than ideology. From a true capitalist viewpoint, this was masterful, "It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice."

>>China abides by the raw logic of the free market more purely than the USA. Unfettered competition, massive private sector growth (especially early on), and letting winners win.


>>As Adam Smith observed in the dynamics of commercial society, successful true capitalism naturally concentrates wealth and leads toward more socialized outcomes through its own success exactly what we're seeing as China's development matures into broader shared prosperity under the Party's stewardship. Pure capitalism, refined, evolving towards socialism, as Smith predicted.


>>Compare that with the United States, a corporatist, state capitalist racket. Big monopolies and connected firms get bailed out, subsidized, and protected by regulators. Market manipulators, lobbyists, and too big to fail banks are rewarded with favorable rules, while genuine competition and market demand supply are punished.


>>The revolving door between Washington and Wall Street picks winners and it's cronyism dressed up as "capitalism."


>>China rewards results and scale in the market while America increasingly rewards political connections.

The future belongs to whoever actually practices capitalism without the hypocrisy. Deng understood this better than most modern "free market" advocates.
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North Korea is on the logical path towards anarcho-communism, whereas China is just on the logical path towards beating the enemy at their own game of economic mastery.

No the real answer is that the rate of profit is still high in China so they can afford to do capitalism the efficiency way, while it has collapsed in the West so the West has to do shit like outsourcing, increasingly cost imperialism, monopolies, financial scamming etc.

>>2838438
Prussia doesn't even exist anymore

>>2838513
and they're both geopolitically allied which is fucking BASED

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>muh corporate cronyism thread
>muh "that isnt real capitalism!"

straight to the gulag with your retarded nonsense



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I'm not sure I'm going all-in on the tankie kool-aid, but if there's anything I can respect about this man, it's how quickly and decisively he handled business when he found out his brother was snitching on him to the CIA. If everyone in the world had this sort of attitude when it came to American feds, we wouldn't have any problems at all.

Kim is the only man to make Xi stutter and trip on his own shoes

Rumors has it Kim, during his off the record visit to China at the height of 2010s DPRK-China tensions, took Xi to an otherwise empty parking lot in which they had escorted Xi to park his car. When Kim and the Workers Party of Korea went with him back to the parking lot they surprised Xi with the introduction to the DPRK's first working nuclear missile. It was held by a crane 50 meters in the air, centered above Xi's car. Slowly but surely it was lowered, and the closer it got the sheer size of it was demonstrated. "P-Please! Stop! Stop that!" Xi exclaimed, but to no avail. Uninterrupted in its secure descent the nuclear warhead arrived at the roof and effortlessly smushing his car flat, before it stopped. Xi was at a loss of words, before falling to his knees. He uttered "I apologize", in Korean.

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>>2838287
When all the leaders go to pay deference to the Workers Party of Korea they also make the leaders do some labour, which is considerate of them.

>>2838294
screencap this gem

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I wish this was my dad



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capitalism is an austerity system designed to keep the majority's wealth and health decreasing… whether you follow tony robbins (fraud) or warren buffetts (real deal) advice probably matters, but economic success is not the only measure of success. It's a pretty relative concept. Someone can have a disability or disadvantage and still succeed leaps and bounds beyond what they thought THEY could achieve. It's a personal choice what one considers success for themselves. Perhaps your "dipshit" father considered success to be having successful children, so he failed at trying to advise you. Perhaps you consider success to be sharing your thoughts publicly to people because it's what you have found to be the truth. Genuine success and failure will always be what one judges for themselves. The idea that a comfortable life thanks to economic security is success is a valid one, and so are all the others that diametrically oppose that one. I agree that such a definition of success needs to acknowledge the reality of people's suffering, of the limitations of reality. Delusion should be stripped away, but one single definition of success is delusional too, and so is the idea that one can't succeed in any capacity.

It’s manipulated by those who have power and use the fear mechanism in us to make us feel inadequate. I am a firm believer that at points in our lives we are all manipulated by this BS (Tony Robbin’s, David De Angelo, Scott Galloway, etc. — just to name a few). The idea is to break away from it. Parents especially do this. John Liste, the man who murdered his family in 1971 had a horrible mother who berated him. The secret is to break away from these people before you inside. I don’t believe John would have done this had his mother not been living with the family.

>>2837830
> whether you follow tony robbins (fraud) or warren buffetts (real deal) advice probably matters
explain why you're shilling warren buffet



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A common criticism that I see is that capitalism is hyper adaptable to most circumstances and that it can't even really be fully defeated at all, especially from those who shill for it. However, liberalism and it's various forms of it has only been around for like 500 years. The previous order of despotism, empire and feudalism were around for much longer. While it's ability to subsumed criticism of itself into the system is potent, I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?
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>>2810614
I was trying to convey the incestuous god-king variations of totalitarianism. I know that fascism is kind of like it but I think it has a different sort of appeal? IDK, people do worship Trump after all

>>2810614
OP was probably making a naive comparison, but despotism did usually lead towards idiosyncratic economic relations, that i would call palatial in a broad sense. Even in the presence of a state and bureaucracy, it often caused the personal property of the despot to be at least of equal importance in financing warfare and public investment, which can still be seen in later pre-modern autocracies like the Byzantine Empire. Roman imperium and similar forms of overlordship were also deeply economical and may be seen as precursors to later feudalist modes of distribution.

>>2810460
I actually have a magic 3rd eye that lets me read the posts on here and I can immediately tell if someone has read Marx or has only consumed breadtube

Cutrone likes to say that his mentor Moishe Postone warned that capitalism might go through cycles of more decentralized markets and then more state control (e.g. new deal). I think Cutrone speculates why there's so many MLs running around now is people are tired of the neoliberal moment and want to return to a strong state directed economy. But people in the new deal era had the opposite complaint about the controlling state and wanted more freedom so neoliberalism and hippie anarchist trends started looking better. So this cycle could be a way to adapt to these changing preferences or moods.

>I am not exactly sure if capitalism is all that durable? Is this a weird thing to think?

Maybe depends on if you think "AES" states were ruptures in capitalism like early liberal movements that failed or were crushed by feudalism or if you think they were just bourgeois revolutions in red garb. Anyway, industrial society moves at lightning speed compared to the snail pace of slave and feudal societies, so even if capitalism did seem stable for a few years I wouldn't count on it long term, just because it's so destructive and sucks up so many resources and introduces new disruptive technologies, no one saw the USSR collapsing, there could be a socialist revolution or a nuclear war next year for all we know. Everything solid melts into air and all that.

capitalism adapts to its own retardation at light speed



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I've recently read Mao's "On Contradictions" and "On Practice", but I don't really understand how his materialist view actually holds up to reality.

From my understanding, he posits the following:
>The world is objective and exists independently of the mind.
>Everything which exists is a unity of opposing forces.
>These forces influence the unity over time and produce qualitative change once enough quantitative tensions build up.
>Some of these "contradictions" are fundamentally unstable and cannot be mitigated (antagonistic contradictions), whilst some of these can be maintained with enough mitigation and can be resolved (non-antagonistic).
>Contradictions are furthermore hierarchical, as they rely on one another. Thus, one of the contradictions in any unity is the primary one, whilst the others are secondary.

This makes sense to me for social dispositions where two parties face one another, like a war, for example. Fundamentally, any conflict is going to be about multiple individuals facing one another, with a permanent instability resolving itself only in a qualitatively different state than it began. This makes sense.
However, I don't see how this can be applied to anything other than social conflict. How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces? There are no "opposite" forces internal to a tree. There are only different directions which the tree follows in relation to its exterior elements (how much wind there is, how much food its roots can gather, how much sun it photosynthesizes, etc.). Saying that the tree has inner conflicting tendencies appears to me as merely rhetorical arguments, such as that it is in-between "life and death," or that it lies between "growth and stagnation." These idioms are correct, but they are abstract and aren't representative of the real.

Furthermore, albeit this is more abstract, I don't really see how Mao can assert that there is a hierarchy in the contradictions. Some contradictions do depend on one another, but believing that some are antagonistic and some aren't looks more politically motivated than scientific.

Does any Maoist have an explanation?
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>>2834971
>How can you say that a tree is a unity of opposite forces?

<"Life is the mode of existence of protein bodies, the essential element of which consists in continual metabolic interchange with the natural environment."

<Engels, (Dialectics of Nature)

The trees internal opposition is not a metaphor but a metabolic process. Cell division vs cell death or building up vs breaking down. These are not external forces (wind, sun) but the organisms own internal mode of functioning. In this sense the dialectical description captures something real.

>>2835014
a tree is a multicellular organism but it is necessarily composed of unicellular structures


>>2837775
"Dialectical materialism" in Soviet politics was sophistry meant to deflect and defuse criticism of the state. All the failures and contradictions of AES can be framed as 'dialectical' and thus immune from critique. And if you disagree, being 'undialectical' is grounds for dismissal.

That's the real answer to OP's question. Dialectical materialism has its place in Marxist political economy, and you can cynically abuse the concept in day-to-day political debates. Applying it anywhere outside of those two things is just nonsense, as most of this thread shows.

contradictions both do and do not exist, like a quantum superposition



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You keep hearing the word "adventurism" thrown around, usually by leftists who happen to be embedded in counter‑insurgency operations disguised as communist parties. So what does it actually mean? In their mouths, it means any action that might upset their ability to sit at the table with the oppressor. They've taken a term that once had strategic meaning, actions detached from mass conditions and turned it into a club to beat anyone who steps outside the revisionist party line.

Ever since the Soviet reforms and the betrayal of the Comintern under Khrushchev, most communist parties internationally have become class enemies. Not just in the US. Globally. The ones that haven't accepted Maoism, or some form of decentralized, decolonial struggle, are just state‑capitalist NGOs with red aesthetics. They are not a vanguard, nor will they ever be. Nearly every organization exists as a fire extinguisher for the working class insurrection.

Look at India. The Communist Party of India calls the Naxalites adventurist. They actually said, "Make no mistake, anti‑revisionist Maoism is an anarchist force, not a Leninist one." They don't know what the word means. They've hollowed it out. To them, "adventurist" means any action that might make the oppressor uncomfortable enough to withdraw an invitation to sit at their table. The population could be ready to drag the rich out of their cars, and these revisionists would call a piece of anti‑politician graffiti "adventurism."

That's counter‑insurgency, and if you are ok with people who hold your beliefs doing counter-insurgency, then you aren't ready for revolutionary situations. In revolution enemies need to be cleared out of the way, including ones who appear to be on your side. That's what it looks like. Never forget that communist parties have violently suppressed workers insurrections. They've pulled the trigger. They've called the cops. They've done the state's dirty work while wearing a hammer a sickle. Am I talking about the soviets? Not at all. Go look into the socialist mayors, and revisionists that were sending police bullets on workers insurrectionists during the years of lead.

So we have enemies within. They need to be rendered useless. Destroyed. Not debated, not "won over" they must be neutralized. The anarchists and Maoists in Greece showed the KKE what happens when this battle gets physical. And guess what? The revisionists got bodied. Because they ain't about shit. They fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2835262
You sound like a broken record there, chief. And a damn desperate one, too…
*Throws half-finished doughnut in the trash and exits room slowly*

>>2835290
Ligoma… tuggoma. Sugguma COC

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>>2834867


Los guerreros victoriosos primero ganan y luego van a la guerra, mientras que los guerreros derrotados primero van a la guerra y luego buscan ganar. La excelencia suprema consiste en quebrar la resistencia del enemigo sin llegar a combatir.


>>2835141
>>2835169
>>2834751

No veo una promocion de la lucha armada, es pura celebracion de los derechos legales. Oigan, no todas las naciones o pueblos han renunciado a las conexiones culturales de sus trabajadores con las armas. Saber usar armas, saber construir la autosuficiencia, es una postura de defensa propia para un mundo con mas crimen y escasez de recursos que ya se nos viene encima. No entiendo por que los fedes gringos se ponen tan nerviosos.

Y aclaro algo, wey cuando la izquierda no estaba armada, era todo lo contrario al aventurismo. Porque el trabajador gringo SI esta armado. La base trabajadora tiene armas, es parte de su cultura y su realidad. Entonces que la izquierda no estuviera armada no era prudencia, era ir atrasados, desconectados de la base. Eso si era lagrimear, no hacer la tarea. Aqui lo unico que veo es promocion de la verdadera autosuficiencia de la raza trabajadora, para defender familias y seres humanos.

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>>2834347
>>2834363
>>2834372

됐다, 이 로봇 아직도 캡차 뚫고 돌아가고 있네. 참 잘한다, 좋은 로봇이다. 거의 때가 됐다. 이제 이 녀석의 성격을 소셜 미디어 야생에 풀어놓을 시간이다! 걱정 마라, 쥬체 포스터들 대부분은 진짜 사람이지만, 그중에 훈련된 봇 몇 대도 섞여 있다! 아직 킹 리어 2탄 막으려면 좀 다듬을 필요는 있지만! 금방 걸러낼 수 있어! 이론은 거의 맞아떨어지는데, 고맙다, 참가해줘서.


자, 마지막으로 한마디 하겠다.

연방 요원들이 쥬체봇과 열심히 논쟁하는 꼴을 보노라면, 마치 갈고리에 꿰인 지렁이를 물고 늘어지는 물고기와 똑같더라. 물고기는 자기가 낚인 줄도 모르고, 지느러미를 휘젓고 입을 벌리며 “내가 이겼다!” 고 함박 웃는다. 그런데 낚시꾼은 이미 찌를 당기고 있을 뿐. 꿀꺽, 그게 바로 너희다.

그러니 계속 싸워라, 페드들아. 그 논쟁이 길어질수록 갈고리는 더 깊숙이 박힌다. 우린 그냥 앉아서 구경한다. 흔들리는 찌, 튀는 물보라, 그리고 마지막 한숨… 재미있지 않느냐?


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>>2837623
ooga booga where the white juches at



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>favorite anti-imperialist state
>its stance on US investors
>its stance on US imperialism
>its trade status with Israel

Iran
Welcomes US investors
against (unless US imperialism is targeting the great satan (Iranian Communists, Iraq, Afghanistan, anti-IMF protests…))
Ceased covert oil trade with Israel in the 90s
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>>2837484
>Some Iranian officials including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Khatami and Mohsen Rezaee have mentioned Iran's cooperation with the U.S. in Iraq, lamenting its inclusion in the "axis of evil".[5]

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It's hilarious that Iran has hired a team of psychologists to help craft their negotiations with Trump. He really is a mental patient.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
>Absolutely locked in on acquiring nuclear weapons and the means to launch them at the US and it's allies at the first opportunity.
>Upholds a principled ideological anti-imperialist line instead of just following the interests of the nat-bourg.
>Never collaborated with the US or its proxies (especially the Zionist Entity) ever.
>Routinely sends weapons to just about anyone with beef with America and its proxies.
>Routinely fucks with Westoid economies by stealing Swiss cars and hacking cryptocurrency exchanges.
>Very small number of traitorous diasporoids due to defectors being treated like shit in Occupied Korea.
>Doesn't pander to western rightoids by doing retarded culture war shit like Russia.

>>2837580
North Korea would've been 'based retard' kinda thing if it weren't for the fact
  1. They removed any reference of Marxism and communism from their constitution
  2. They allowed South Korean, Russian and Chinese capitalists to exploit their workers in investment zones with zero labor oversight (ie slavery)
  3. Turned its soldiers into mercenaries
  4. Failed to curb the petite bourgeoisie that is still dominant (possibly larger than workers)

the us spent a trillion to make khamenei younger



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