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From my understanding Mao said China will be an industrialised socialist nation by the year 2000, then Deng postponed it to 2050 which is still repeated to this day.

But what does this concretely mean in qualitative terms, how do the relations to production shift? Will the stock market be abolished, private ownership of capital, the three represents system abolished, a planned economy be build? It can't just be more development of the productive forces or building a welfare state or it doesn't mean anything.

So people who think China is actually socialist, can you give government approved sources that prove any intention to build communism?
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>>2850780
>The Chinese
Racial analysis isn't correct

>>2850834
A schizo off the street drunk as shit off baijiu calling for the PLA to storm moscow doesn’t count, the government does

Putin will open the Oldest Vault

>>2848490
That isn't including SOE executives and investors. SOEs are operated as private companies.

>>2847852
we'll all be dead before 2050



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Author: Anonymous (This article is a repost; please contact for deletion in case of infringement)
In today's public discourse, there is no shortage of so-called praise for the "Nordic Model." This argument holds that the "Nordic Model" relies on reform rather than external expansion, achieving a highly developed standard of living and social welfare on a so-called "Third Way," which is genuine "socialism." Especially at western website, such voices are particularly loud. In China, a large number of liberals also tout these Nordic welfare states, calling them a paradise on earth. However, is this really the truth?
In the Nordic region, there is a communist who supports the Third World people's resistance against imperialism, named Torkil Lauesen. This brother, who once screwed bolts in a factory and delivered packages on the streets, rebelled against Nordic capitalists because he opposed the Nordic exploitation of the Third World. As a result, he was sent to prison by the "democratic and free" Nordic Social Democratic government. After regaining his freedom, he wrote a book titled *Riding the Wave: Sweden’s Integration into the Imperialist World System*. Let's see how he exposes the imperialist acts of the Nordic countries.
Swedish capitalists have transferred a massive amount of low- to mid-end labor-intensive industries to the Third World, making a fortune overseas: [The Swedish company Electrolux is one of the world's leading producers of household appliances and tools; by 2010, about 70% of its production was outsourced to low-wage countries. In 2018, 3,103 Swedish multinational companies employed 2.16 million people, of which 1.5 million were abroad and another 660,000 were within Sweden. Swedish transnational capital is highly concentrated. The 30 largest companies employed 1,053,381 people in 2018, with 773,611 abroad and 279,770 in Sweden. The turnover of these companies abroad was 3,713 billion SEK (445.56 billion USD), compared to 2,263 billion SEK (271.56 billion USD) in Sweden.]
Some say that the countries Sweden invests in are primarily Western developed countries like Germany, so Sweden does not exploit the Third World. Regarding this, this brother also provided an explanation: [About half of the investments are inter-imperialist—Swedish investments in North America and the EU, and vice versa—which reflects the degree of global capital integration. Swedish Electrolux products are sold in the EU and the US, while German Siemens Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Look up what they call.blacks

>>2848071
That first link was a good read and cements a theory I've had for a while, nice find.

They don't, not directly really. Third worldists just want to drag everyone down to their level. The real problem is that social democracy is used as a cover for never getting rid of capitalism and they will endlessly fear monger about anyone who might want to move beyond it, insisting they actually want to make things worse.

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we exploit the eternal finn

>>2847573
>How Does Sweden Exploit Third World Countries?
banking. next question



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Prior to 2016 (when Trump was first elected POTUS), conspiracy culture was left-coded as shown by how 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, General Motors streetcar conspiracy, etc… were mostly leftists or leaned to the left in the political spectrum, with GWOT-era Michael Moore’s documentaries being the prime example. Funnily enough, the mainstream American right-wing during the Bush presidency was far more elitist and anti-conspiratorial than their leftist contemporaries, and that was when the American left was more populist since it was the underdog during the GWOT era (especially the faction opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan).

It’s only after 2016 that you see the big shift as the post-2008 American left became less populist and more elite, “woke”, and prestigious as opposed to the GOP which started to become more prole-coded, lower-class and populist. The cracks began with the Tea Party, and MAGA just accelerated the shift, to the point that MAGA turned from a faction within the GOP to being the top faction, so much so that any republican candidate would be committing social suicide by not being 100% devoted to MAGA.

Now that the American right (particularly MAGA) has become the incumbent, you’re starting to see some kind of return to the old status quo as right-wing influencers like Nick Fuentes and The Blaze are shitting on conspiracists, beginning with Epstein. Part of it is because Nick hates cringe and poor people, and part of it is that, now that the movement he supports is in power, all the talks about “deep state” this and that is counterproductive now that Trump (the guy Qanon prophesied to stop Epstein) is in charge. In the meantime, the American left has successfully seized on Trump acting guilty by ridiculously walking back on the Epstein files, to the point of dismissing it as a ‘Democratic hoax’. Likewise you have various MAGA influencers like Azealia Banks defending Epstein or denying it, even if it means going against their priors. This is concurrent with how the Epstein saga has transformed into a form of lumpenised class consciousness across the American left, to the point that this sort of populist Epstein-related conspiratorialism (such as allegations of cannibalism and satanism) has reached all of Latin America, the entire western left, as well as the Iranian government (if its LEGO AI videos are proof of anything).

Now what? Well, considering how conspiracy culture is being shunned by chuds if it impliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2842076
If the streetcar systems were profitable and being deliberately destroyed by a conspiracy, why were so many transit operators already in severe financial trouble before the acquisition campaign began? And how do you distinguish between accelerating an existing trend and causing that trend?

>>2838931
Bro, I can’t believe that you Didn’t cite AIDS denialism. Like, the whole thing probably wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for gay men trying to minimise or deny the effects of AIDS (“GRIDS”, as it was called) since it implicated gay people and their libertine lifestyle at the time.

>>2842383
Don't you think the US government actively sabotaging any effort to fight the disease did more damage?

>>2849942
We know, which is why the left has gone full retard with Qanon-tier slop: They know the more losing HARD to the right, so they just call anyone a pedophile until their opposition acquiesces, much like MAGA did back when they were the underdog. Read: https://www.highly-respected.com/p/critical-pedo-theory

>>2839420
trvth nvke



 

https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/Category:Agents
Can somebody get the social medias of all of these nazis, also datamining of them would be useful.

These people should not be allowed to aid in fascism without harassment
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>>2824117
The USSR border controlled existed to prevent people from leaving, not from entering, they didn't have that problem. Not communist country has ever had that ptoblem

Revive! Come

>>2824085
If this is what you care about then do it yourself?
There is nothing worse than being the 'ideas guy'. Ideas are useless if you have no desire or will to implement them.
>>2824170
>>2824167
Anon, at that point just report them. If they're openly admitting to being here and posting in bad faith there is less chance the jannies can make excuses to leave them.

>>2824098
"open borders is a koch brothers proposal" - bernie sanders (rosa killer and social fascist)

>>2824115
US is an occupation and not a socialist state you dumb fuck



 

All the major wars happening right now are all bogged down and slow, nobody is doing anything, nobody winning, only both losing, or one losing more then the other very slowly.

It's boring, what happened to the gulf war shit and le hecking fast super wars cool times and death.
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>>2849841
Also the Terminator movies. (More laser guns though but I can see lasers being used more as defensive anti-drone weapons.) Making the small robots is easy but to get them to work like that will mean plugging them into an AI brain, so that's what is going to happen.

>>2835791
because drones changed everything

>>2849836
>>2849837
>>2849843
>>2849844
Why don't armies just use microwave weapons against drones then?
They cheap and fry the inside of the drone disabling them

>>2849971
It's also very cheap to protect them with a faraday cage so those weapons would work a grand total of a few days/weeks until this is set up. Even random protestors already came up with solution against microwave riot weapons so an half assed organized military would have no issue.

wars bog down because loomer is bogged up



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How come there aren't any communist mass shooters?
I've noticed that all mass shooters have reactionary ideologies or liberal ones (such as Audrey Hale) and that makes sense, the degeneracy and contradictions of such systems show up on these but I'm surprised there isn't even one (popular) case of a delusional communist shooting up a Walmart to start a revolution.
If someone knows any cases where the perp is left wing pls share it I want to research more in it.
>Image related
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>>2827837
mainly because I don't think there's any leftist political literature that says "shooting random groups of people will establish communism."

If you think about it, communism requires sociability and human cooperation as both an ideological tenet and as a practical means of organizing for its goals.

Not to say the left doesn't do violence. It does. It's just usually coordinated and with so much attempt at a greater purpose.

Also i suspect communists are much more likely to just kill themselves the to go do a mass shooting as a form of physical and social suicide. Why this is, i have no evidence for other than a lack of communist mass shooters and an abundance of right-wing/liberal mass killers.

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>>2848577
He did seem a bit reactionary (the shooter) though he was a communist and did say capitalism is the biggest threat not Judaism so…(I am not a terrorist and im against that Mr . Trump)

>>2848788
ooh ooh ah ah you fuckin yakubian ape

>>2848456
I've bumped into hard rodgerists online before but I haven't met a marxist-rodgerist yet



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Could there ever be an revivial of some kind of weather underground group? Or similar tatics that were used by them?

Just curious since there looks like a revivial of student lead political orgs in the US
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>>2848525
i wish western communists were brave enough to do something, sad how the closest thing to an actual communist party there is the ACP

>>2849187
Nobody gave a fuck about security back then. Airports didn't even have security screenings with metal detectors until 1972 because plane hijackings started happening literally weekly. People could just carry a gun onto a plane and demand a trip to Cuba… laffo

>>2849211
>The Vietnamese response was more or less: please don't. Organize peaceful protests, donate money if you can, and remember that the Vietnamese and American people aren't your enemies.
the CPV are fascist, they are platner, etc.

>>2849345
This was a genuine argument among some Western Maoists. They insisted that the Vietnamese had fallen under the sway of Russian chauvinism and saw the invasion of Cambodia as evidence. It was fucking hilarious

https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/wc-kampuchea-2.htm


>Vietnam’s naked aggression against Kampuchea and the Kampuchean people reached a new level with the capture of the capital city at Phnom Penh on Jan. 7. After a 16 day full scale armed invasion involving over 100,000 troops and heavy aerial bombing, the Vietnamese are now claiming control over “almost all” of Kampuchea.

>Under cover of their puppet organization, the “Kampuchean National United Front for National Salvation” formed less than one month before the invasion, the Vietnamese claim that they have rallied the Kampuchean people behind their leadership.
>Yet despite their claims of widespread popular support, resistance to the Vietnamese invaders continues to be fierce throughout the country. Fighting is reportedly heavy at the country’s only deep water port at Kompong Som and several islands northwest of it. The Kampuchean army still remains in control of the provincial capital at Pursat, 100 miles northwest of Phnom Penh. In addition heavy fighting continues in Battambang, northwest Kampuchea’s major city, Sisophon 30 miles east of the Thai border and at Nimit 13 miles from the frontier.
>These examples of resistance reflect the heroic revolutionary spirit of the Kampuchean people. As our Chinese comrades state, “The capture of Phnom Penh by the Vietnamese does not mean the end but the beginning of the war.” As is evident the Kampuchean Revolutionary Army and people under the leadership of the Kampuchean Communist Party (CPK) are already actively waging a people’s war. While the Vietnamese control the towns, the Kampuchean army remains strong in most of the countryside enjoying the full support of the people. Ieng Sary, Deputy Prime Minister of Kampuchea, speaking in Peking said that Kampuchea would continue fighting even though its army was heavily outnumbered by the Vietnamese. “We do not have so big an army but wePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2848532
fuck federal buildings. burger power plants, hospitals, water treatment plants, and bridges deserve it. burgers should have to live in filth. burgers should be bombed, embargoed, sanctioned, boycotted, couped, and balkanized



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Hello peeps, I'm looking for any advice regarding trying to convince friends & family to adopt any belief even remotely critical of the system itself rather than the classic "what's happening now is bad but capitalism is the best we got" libshit excuses for every crisis caused by the latter.

I wanna go about this without *sounding* leftist to them, cus y'know how it goes:
>says anything sounding remotely leftist
>immediately triggers McCarthyist programming
>"muh gommunism 400 septillion dead"
>conversation dies

I also don't want to sound preachy or obnoxious, I'm not on any holier than thou shit to anyone rightward of me. If anything I pity libs and anyone who hasn't become conscious yet (except outright bigots/nazis of course), as said reactions are barely every out of genuine conviction but rather dogmatic kneejerks.

Obviously I'm not looking to turn them into red-blooded maospeak lefties overnight, but I just ease them into consciousness with lib-friendly language.
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>>2848599
No shit it’s not real class consciousness. I literally say to use populist rhetoric and messaging, not socialist class analysis, before moving on to the latter if/when the subject in question has been primed for it. That does not mean “reject the latter” and hide that you’re a socialist, but to recognize that if the person you’re speaking to is hostile to socialism, you need to meet them where they’re at first. Workers don’t spontaneously become socialists through abstract propaganda; they usually enter politics to fulfill immediate concerns: wages, taxes, housing, etc. the point is to begin with workers’ actual concerns and then show how these concerns are tied together through class struggle. Hence why Lenin started with “Peace, Land, and Bread” and then moved on to “Power to the Soviets”.

>Marxism demands an attentive attitude to the mass struggle in progress, which, as the movement develops, as the class-consciousness of the masses grows, as economic and political crises become acute, continually gives rise to new and more varied methods of defence and attack. Marxism, therefore, positively does not reject any form of struggle.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1906/gw/


>>2848633
>Hence why Lenin started with “Peace, Land, and Bread” and then moved on to “Power to the Soviets”.
Peace, land, bread is a slogan which hides material demands. Talking about elites mystifies things. PLB arose during war, famine, crisis. Here we are talking about particular family members. You must see that political slogans based in material demands of a class used to mobilize the class are different to populist, anti-communist rhetoric used to mobilize Legion, for there are many. You must understand that PLB came after 1905, and 1905 didn't come because bolsheviks engaged in populist rhetoric, but because they held the party line. Lenin radicalized an existing movement based in class, this is not the fucking same as talking with your family about the 'elites' or 'fair wages'.
>>2848669
What fucking 'trvke'? It's trying to use Lenin's theory of spontaneity and consciousness to explain (a fucking elephant) a minuscule local issue (a fucking mosquito) which isn't even necessarily class related, and fucking fails at doing exactly that. It's impressive.

>>2848781
>Peace, land, bread is a slogan which hides material demands. Talking about elites mystifies things.
They both mystified things. Do you think the average peasant, which made up the majority of Russia's population, gave a damn about soviet power, which was far away from them in a city that in their mind they had little in common with? The only thing they care about was small property ownership, food, land, and not getting shot. This and capitalist initiatives were why kulaks were able to expand in the first place. Unless you are clearly defining your policies via class analysis there will always be a level of abstraction that hinders, but can also potentially benefit, depending on how you use it.
>PLB arose during war, famine, crisis.
Capitalism is constantly facing crises. Arguably we are even facing one right now.
>populist, anti-communist rhetoric
The point is that the two can be connected, not that we should be doing one without the other. These are people who have a fundamentally pathological hatred of even just the word "socialism", due to 150+ years of 24/7 brainwashing. You cannot even speak to them using this word or they will immediately tune you out. Starting a conversation with concepts that, while incorrect, have the potential to break down these walls is not anti-communism unless you deliberately refuse to connect the two concepts. Socialists in the SSRs, such as Romania and Germany, used populist/nationalist rhetoric to initiate with the masses even when it wasn't their ultimate goal, such as when Karl Radek gave that (misguided) speech in 1923 where he attempted to connect the KPD's goals to German nationalism.
>1905 didn't come because bolsheviks engaged in populist rhetoric
The material conditions were, as you acknowledge, fundamentally different. They had a large amount of socialists, whether Narodniks or Mensheviks or Bolsheviks or SRs or whatever, and the term was not outright demonized. Moreover, even when not demonized, the majority still think either "socialism is when the government does stuff" or "socialism is okay, but communism is le evil and these are somehow two distinct things". We are personally still closer to 1850 than to 1917, unfortunately. This does mean we must Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

libs should be killed not educated. but you are a liberal



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can we get a thread going about the protests going on in albania right now ? i wanna know more about what's going on as a foreign retard and we seem to have no thread about it despite it going on for about a week at this point.


fuck your stupid limit, faggots
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>>2848318
Only if the empire is losing the war with occupiers literally on it's soil forcing the population to organize themselves outsode the government, protacted wars on the other aide of the ocean do jack shit

>>2833824
This could result in the restoration of communism in Albania (hopefully) as hoxha is still popular

>>2848318
>wars destroy empires
I don't care about empires. I care about capitalism.

You can clealy see this is a CIA backed colour revolution against a socialist government. Hopefully the zionist treatlerites will get gunned down in the streets. Long live comrade Kushner.

albanians are retarded ever since hoxha died



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The fact that Indians of all people manage to convert social media memery into actual IRL movement that not only draws people but actually succeeded in their demands is vindication of the fact that the problem with Western politics isn't social media or a lack of a vanguard party but that Westerners are decadent bugment unable to commit to politics
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>>2877458
God that would be so based. The Elite Tech capitalists and their lib dog slobbers will seethe hard if this happens.

>>2877490
stfu timmy you're larpy enough less larp might fix your shitlib movement

>>2877453
>one has to intervene rather than discarding them like some aristocratic retard
Tell that to op who thinks it's ok to do that as long as its with "westoids" and not the noble savages of the 3rd world (both empirically as ineffectual btw)

and achieved nothing lol, nepal is now ruled by a cuck sellout as all those other cuck nations, literally cuck uprisings. Achieved nothing, replacing one porky with another

>>2877786
Ermmm but Bangladesh Gen Z installed a wholesome 100 boomer banker they're AES now



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