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Beyond the obvious examples like the NSDAP callings itself a socialist/workers party, what are some interesting examples of a reactionary movement adopting revolutionary/socialist aesthetics and imagery in order to gain appeal?

Of course populism generally plays into this with the 'people' united against an often undefined 'elite'.

Any recommended reading on this topic would also be appreciated.

The video is related to this topic, I had saved it from an old webm thread. Would be curious if anyone has the source.
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There’s no such thing as a revolutionary aesthetic, literally anything can be captured and coopted, theory and planning strategies most of all


What a stupid question, fuck you

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The Saemaul Undong. This was unironically a copy of the Chollima Movement but with capitalist characteristics

>>2610480
Christianity went from being a movement of the poor and women to being the official religion of the Roman Empire and the West in general.



 

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>>2611912
The fascist trump regime has ordained with those camps that the working, oppressed peoples of Aztlán are not citizens. Nor are the Afrikan peoples. amerikan citizenship is bourgeois

>>2612089
>deducted points from the student because the essay “does not answer the questions for this assignment, contradicts itself, heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class, and is at times offensive,” according to a local newspaper, The Oklahoman.
You should only get a zero if you fail to turn in the assignment or hand in a blank piece of paper. transhumanistster Mctranshumaniststein had it coming.

Guys…
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A real one was born today

>>2612224
stick around ITT for a few months, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about on the regular and even you'll become sick of it, trust me

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>>2611130
stop bumping the dead thread you bloody bastards


What's the material explanation for Americans thinking they have much less than they actually have? Is this why they whine so much while living lavish lives?

>>2612104
Because we keep comparing ourselves to rappers and reality stars and influencers and billionaires and not workers with far less

How the fuck is cocaine so habit forming you aren’t even happy or in a haze it’s just numbness in the nose and face and you talk like an idiot



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Epstein is connected to Israel, this is why Trump is covering it up. He doesn't want to risk the political fallout for Israel when people realize all of Epstein's clients were blackmailed and used as Israeli assets.

"The most concrete link is his relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Epstein and Barak met numerous times between 2013 and 2017, with Barak visiting Epstein’s properties in Florida and New York approximately 30 times, including a 2014 private flight in Florida. Barak received $2.3 million from an Epstein-associated foundation between 2004 and 2006, and Epstein invested $1 million in a limited partnership established by Barak in 2015.

Another connection stems from Epstein’s ties to Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, Robert Maxwell, was a British media mogul alleged to have had links to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad. Some sources, including former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe, have claimed Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a “honey-trap” operation for Mossad to blackmail influential figures. A lawsuit by a woman identified as Jane Doe 200 alleged Epstein boasted of being a Mossad agent.

Epstein was also associated with the Wexner Foundation, which supports Jewish leadership and has ties to Israel. His financial backer, Leslie Wexner, was a member of the “Mega Group,” a collection of Jewish philanthropists, which some, like former NSA counterspy John Schindler, have speculated was linked to Israeli intelligence operations. Epstein reportedly invested in an Israeli startup, Reporty Homeland Security (later rebranded as Carbyne), connected to Israel’s defense industry, further fueling speculation."
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>>2407378
extremely good post

>>2537274
It was the bongs that created Israel, we just inherited it.

Something happened in Australia.

>>2596589
Oh shit!

>10 collaborators
minimizers btfo



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How do communists solve the incel problem?

60% of men between the ages of 18 and 35 are getting no pussy and the average women is willingly entering Chads harems.

Regardless of whether or not you’re getting laid this is not healthy for society.
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Incels are potential revolutionaries. Of course leftists want nothing to do with them because being a leftist is a larp.


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Through reeducation, they(male incel population) will understand gender is a social construct and happily look for bussy if they can't get any pussy.

>>2612514
Through reeducation(conversion therapy), they(male with same-sex attraction) will understand Jesus loves them and happily look for a woman.

>>2612593
Why they will look for women if Jesus loves them, does Jesus hath no cunt?



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I reread Vineland and rewatched One battle for this. Modern /tv/ is too stupid for this, /film/ and /lit/ would find it boring or wouldn't get the discussion. You'll probably get more mileage here than any of them would have because this isn't so much about the plot structure or anything.
Although yes, One Battle After Another is the "blockbusterization" of the original novel. In the original Zoyd (Bob) is a side character to Prairie (Willa) and is actually third "protag" to Frensei(Perfidia) and Brock Vond(Lockjaw) mostly because he also doesn't look for her, he goes off screen because he is the one who sends away Prairie to go to DL(Deandra) from the start to split up so Vond can't get them together. Also because the book is 50% flashbacks, and that's probably because this is Pynchons attempt to put various short stories together into an over arching plot, but it means most of the book isn't action heavy. In fact any and all action is sort of kept to a flashbacks and single shot or hand to hand 1 on 1 combat.
This is because PTA doesn't understand the left or what Vineland had to say about it. Thanatoids are a big aspect of the original book. Thanatoids are debatable but are ultimately just Pynchons way of describing the average person becoming a treatlerite in first world nations due to immediate comfort and entertainment being granted to them, especially in the 80s, of which ones like Weed Atman, a leader of the 2nd major left wing org in the book, who was thought dead, is a part of. The entire thing is a massive critique on how quickly pacified the entire American left is, and PTA completely flushes it down the toilet for quick scenes of Mexicans fighting riot police.
In the actual book, whenever the army and cops get involved, the thanatoids don't do shit. DL (Deandra) and Takeshi (Sergio or at least close as possible to them in the book) take back Prairie with them to check out the situation at the same time the rest of her family go back to Vineland, and they note how scared everyone is and none of them do shit.
This is because the entire book this is just part of life too to a lesser measure, Americans are absolutely fine with fascist like regimes and PMCs strolling their streets as long as it doesn't affect them, it's only when Brock Vond starts to push it a little too hard that they get upset enough to be scared. Not act, just get scared.
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Holy shit that is long. That is extremely long and I didn't even mention how Pynchon channels Reich to gather reasoning for how someone becomes so fascist and discriminatory.
Read the end if you want to know what it's about and cannot be half assed to read a 400 page fiction novel and rewatch a 3 hr movie again.

>Vond and the thanatoids are either birthed or controlled by the tube, which is a metaphor for the modern worlds consumerist spectacle
Interesting.
I got the gut sense while watching the film that there was a story beat being missed about how the left became pacified. Good effort post.

>>2594444
Thanks and checked.
In the book there isn't some sort of big scene where Vond/Lockjaw take down everyone after Frensei/Perfidia snitches, everyone gradually has their own reasons for going underground and on the run, but it's pretty clear they've become pacified and worried about hiding out and keeping their families safe, leaving those who still kept up some sort of fight on their own until eventually they just sort of gave up and sat in front of tv all day like Atman and the thanatoids. Zoyd, Frensei, and DL are all mixed up with different groups and the book makes a point of this but they all end up pacified by the 80s anyway for a reason. That's why it's kind of counter intuitive to have riot scenes going on in One Battle as opposed to unorganized submission from the entire county as Vond and the military and other security forces flip the place upside down.

PTA also stripped all mention of communism and class struggle. out of There Will Be Blood which was adapted from "inspired by" Upton Sinclair's "Oil!"
>The left has been pacified, maybe it never even existed, and fascism neither prevails nor dies, it just continues business as usual.
yeah, people don't want to fight and die if they aren't forced to



 

alright yall what are yalls take on white juche I never even knew this existed but I seen an AWD poster the other day and googled what this ideology is and think it is weird what do you guys think of it this is a genuine discussion about the white juche ideology
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>>2610509
This shit is an old joke. Anybody remember those Satanic white juche videos on old /leftypol?

>>2610540
This goes hard

>>2610509
Goback to /pol/ and stay there you maladjusted 'I can't breed' retard.

>>2610995
apparently they are still making them, lol




 

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>>2610713
it was the revisionism of the CPSU leadership, not the sovereignty (i.e. nationalism) of the constituent SSRs which was the problem. again. because the march 1991 referendum showed that the actual population of the nations, plural, did not want the dissolution

>>2610782
lowbrow ai thumbnail tubeslop

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Check out this epstein file. Feds fucked up the redaction. If you copy and paste you can see what's hidden.

>>2610830
just verified, this is one of the files it works on.

>>2609762
I'm having trouble finding records of any gas station selling regular this cheap, even with a promotion. "The Works" car washes cost 16 dollars though, so lets assume you get the maximum amount of fuel with that promotion, 25 gallons. The real cost of fuel per gallon is 1.89 and you get an automated car wash thrown in. The value becomes worse if you get any lower amount of fuel.

Again though the lowest price for fuel I'm seeing at any bucees location is 1.89 in the first place, at gas stations directly next to the largest american fuel refineries. So they're actually just getting this trucked directly from the refinery to the station with basic additives. Historically these stations trend two to two and a half dollars less per gallon than the national average.

Now what is the benefit of low fuel costs to the average person compared to the fact that they can't get healthcare, or own a home, or take more than 48 hours off work more than five times a year? Assuming they have a job and aren't already homeless and living in the car they're putting this cheap fuel in.



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What's the difference between national Bolshevism, National Socialism and Stalinism (minus the metaphysical commitment to materialism?). My understanding is that fascism allies with big business to crush the labour unions and reforms but Stalinism/National Bolshevism doesn't do that, so the difference is only philosophical?

All three are the same thing and reactionary, yeah.

>nationalize the factories
<yayyyyy
>nationalize the banks
<wooooohoooo
>nationalize the real estate
<yup sounds good
>nationalize the socialism
<nooooo not like that

National Bolshevism is not a coherent and well-defined ideology, in the past it comprised some RW thinkers who wanted to with ally the USSR against decadent capitalism but left very little in the way of legacy. Today the largest NB movement is Russian nazbols but they are first and foremost activists who criticize capitalism from "both the left and the right" and have a very eclectic ideological foundation. It is mostly a meme.
National "Socialism" is just reactionary capitalism/fascism
Stalinism is just Marxism-Leninism

>National Bolshevism
Born from the German Communist Party but most famously expounded by Karl Otto Paetel in The Nazbol Manifesto. I haven't read it in years but basically he advocated a planned economy while rejecting Marxist philosophy and the withering away of the state. Nations are forever, or something like that. He also advocated a German alliance with the USSR.
>National Socialism
That is just the name the 'German Workers Party' adopted to sound cooler and more populist, but it was very right wing from the start, mixing chauvinism, anticommunism and antisemitism. Supposedly it was Anton Drexler who coined the name. Hitler completely rejected Socialism as evident by his disputes with the Strassers and his embrace of German capitalism. Class didn't matter, only race did. He advocated racial collectivism and compared that to socialism, aka great nonsense.
>Stalinism
Mostly just a name for Stalin's government and policies from the first 5 year plan to his death. Some people use it as a pejorative, others call themselves like that proudly. Some use it more broadly to mean all soviet-aligned states or all Marxism-Leninism.



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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV

From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism

Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory

It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP

Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>be worker paid wage by company
>make products that make the company money
>barely able to survive on wage
>meanwhile boss is making a shitton of money despite not making the products, making far beyond their every want and need
>feel alienated because of this situation
Is it really any more complicated than that? Why does it matter if LTV is involved?
Progressives already talk about this all the time by bringing up median worker to CEO pay ratios.

>>2565531
>From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor,
alienation comes from not having ownership over the product of labor
>how do you explain Napoleon
he actually wrote a book about hat
>doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society
no? you still have to have a paradigm shift that is predicated on productive forces. the superstructure can only reproduce and intensify the base it cant fundamentally change the social order without changing the base.
>the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis
this has been historically proven wrong by neoliberalism and austerity. keynesianism isn't sustainable within capitalism specifically because of the trpf
>the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory
it hasn't. this only holds for narrow conditions that arent applicable to reality
>how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies.
its good for workers to dominate
>why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction
lack of development and imperialist intervention
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>Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?

MLism changed the world forever and the fact you can't see it means you are propagandized, Lenin, Stalin and Mao have moved humanity foward in tremendous ways, they did marxism and it worked.

what happened on the 20th century was only the beggining, a big offensive push against capital that met counter revolutionary resistance and lost strenght after, both capitalism and communism have recieved deep wounds, but on the 21st century the war still rages.

>>2610678
Why are you bumping this, OP baited and left

>>2565554
Im pretty sure that Okishio also proved that the LTV was correct



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