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EU’s “Chat Control” will be forced to scan every message, photo, and file before it is encrypted on WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, and other all other apps.
Politicians would be exempt. It is being sold as “child protection” but the EU’s own legal service warns that it violates fundamental rights. Once a backdoor into encryption exists, it is not just governments who can use it. Hackers, criminals, and hostile states can too.

Today (with real encryption): Message is locked on your phone. Not even WhatsApp, Signal, or Telegram (secret chat) can read it. Only the recipient can open it.
Under Chat Control: Your message is opened and scanned on your phone before encryption. If the scanning software believes it finds “prohibited” content, even by mistake, it is sent to the authorities.
Austria opposes the plan, but 19 EU countries already support it. If Germany joins them, the law could pass in October.

According to the campaign:
Mass surveillance: Every message, file, and image sent without suspicion would be automatically scanned.
Encryption undermined: End-to-end encryption would be weakened or broken, putting all communication at risk for everyone, not just criminals.
False positives: Innocent content such as jokes or holiday photos could be misidentified and trigger investigations.
Exemptions for politicians: Officials would be excluded under “professional secrecy” while normal citizens lose their privacy.
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Personally I thought they already did that. I guess things will just get worse.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ (useless activist site, still detailing the decision)
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>>2479606
cope and seethe faggot

>>2479607
>Do you find this sort stuff persuasive?
<goes on to rant about le white genocidino
LMAO

>>2479633
The state does not care that you are a communist, and won't use censorship or any of it's means of political repression against you, because you're simply not an enemy of the bourgeoisie

>>2479675
>The state does not care that you are a communist
I am sure the state of Cuba doesn't, but I don't think that's "the state" you are talking about

You seem very confident saying this, so I suppose you work for "the state". Are you a chinese agent luring me to move to PRC?

>>2479607
>>2479619
>>2479675
Bot, Troll, or Underage. Call it.



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are you kidding me I thought he came up with this

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

I have dealt more at length with the "undiminished" proceeds of labor, on the one hand, and with "equal right" and "fair distribution", on the other, in order to show what a crime it is to attempt, on the one hand, to force on our Party again, as dogmas, ideas which in a certain period had some meaning but have now become obsolete verbal rubbish, while again perverting, on the other, the realistic outlook, which it cost so much effort to instill into the Party but which has now taken root in it, by means of ideological nonsense about right and other trash so common among the democrats and French socialists.

Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of prodPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2479575
cockshott is a retard? big surprise!

>>2479586
>So everyone’s needs are determined by those in political office?
I didn't say that. I said they are determined politically. politics is more than just The Party or whatever
>>2479629
IIRC Cockshott explicitly uses healthcare as an example of something for which payment is not to be demanded. in other words, healthcare is deemed politically to be need
>his life work has literally been about how socialism should structure production around the demands of a free market for consumers
and what do we call things that are made for exchange? we call them commodities. and because we are here talking about a communist society, these are communist commodities

>>2479575
Wrong.Socialist commodities differ from other historical commodities. They possess three characteristics: (l) They are based on a public ownership system of the means of production and are primarily an expression of the exchange relations between the worker and the peasant. (2)In contrast to the unorganized and unplanned capitalist commodity production, a great majority of socialist commodities are produced in a planned manner under the guidance of state planning. (3)Compared with the capitalist society, the scope of commodities is greatly reduced in the socialist society. Labor power is no longer a commodity. Land, mineral resources, and other natural resources are no longer commodities either. The means of production circulating within the socialist state ownership system have also undergone significant changes and have lost certain properties of commodities.

To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production prematurely is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore in correct.” (4) Socialist commodity production must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between China’s industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.

Under capitalism, the purpose of commodity production by the capitalist is to exploit the surplus value of the worker. Through the production and sale of commodities, the capitalist gets back the value of the means of production expended in the production process. At the same time, the new value created by thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2479651
this reads like ChatGPT wrote it
nothing I've said contradicts your first paragraph so I'm not going to read the rest of it

>>2479653
Read the maoist textbook now.



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Both in Syria and Nepal the state lost control of the entire nation. But instead of building the alternative, they select a new “democratic” government.

I blame this on modern anarchists who don’t prepare beforehand. Anarchists do not have enough popular support and momentum to get going. Why? Because of lack of discipline and not educating the masses.

The case of Syria is even more pathetic because Rojava is already there, and cooperation could be established.
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>>2478085
Yes, an Nepalese anarchists didn’t build them

>>2478030
Truth but you know most contemporary "anarchists" are just succdem punks right?

>>2478208
wheras in the past they simply were succdem antisemites

>>2478306
Bakunin and Proudhon don't represent all of the declassed

>>2478030
Syria’s revolution was entirely engineered by a conservative-religious ex-isis fighter iirc. There was little popular element in it except for the apathy that the previous regime’s soldiers had.
Nepal was « true » popular revolt but it couldn’t be spearheaded into a coherent demands because the mob doesn’t build, it only destroys. It doesn’t help that since the last nepalese revolution that abolished the monarchy, the maoists/marxists have been at the fore front of the political sphere without managing much success barring dysfunctional land reforms.

We already have a playbook for revolution, it’s called « leninism »…



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I'm a new to this whole political spiel, I was wondering which political side (left-right) actually is truthful on how the world like work, if we don't uncover the truth and what's real, you end up like a schizo believing in bullshit, anyway how to I know which side of the political divide is actually the truthful side?
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>>2465098
Bro have an epistemology and apply it, this is how you reach truth. If you have no epistemology then start there.

Ultimately you're just making your best guess at what lines up with what you see in the world, and what is more likely or less likely to be true (e.g. when comparing directly opposed claims in different books).

Also it helps to try to learn a subject deeply such that you begin to pick out the many sides. At first you just get a summary where everything is mostly harmonious. Then you dig deeper and find controversies. As you work in you'll begin to form an opinion on each side in the controversies, and choose one for yourself. This is the basic way. Don't look at any knowledge as objective and complete, and don't look at any controversy as two separate entities duking it out but instead see it as two sides within a field of study, who agree on many things but have some areas of contention.

>>2465098
Gosh, many responses here are really bad.
So:
There are 2 approaches to truth, the philosophical and practical one.
Philosophy is in crisis and might only get you confused, probably (I don't discourage reading tho!).
The practical one is facts-based. Facts help to establish the definitive knowledge about reality (practically, philosophy aside).
The problem with facts is that even if you know them all, how do you interpret them as good or bad?
I believe that there is only one adequate criteria: do people lives get better? If you follow this criteria, you could judge the facts in a positive way.
There is a catch though: what is "getting better" mean?
For example, the most obvious criteria is 1. People's material conditions might improve, but what if: 2. They do not control means of production, so they are not in charge of their destiny and as a result at a constant risk of their material gains being reversed by fascist expropriation or 3. The society is repressive with many human rights being suppressed?
I think that people lives get factually/objectively better if all 3 criteria (1. material conditions, 2. political power/true democracy and 3. human rights) are considered and a system is objectively good if it goes generally in fulfilling them. Alternative system proposals should also be evaluated based on these criteria.
Now, as a brief example, how can we evaluate USA, domestically and internationally?
Internationally, USA is very well known for destroying any countries which it does not fully control for profiteering by its corporations and maintaining hegemony - how can this make people lives better? The only half-hearted argument could be that "once we achieve global USA super-empire, there won't be anymore wars, defense spending, etc. This is definitely unachievable anyway with BRICS countries rising up, so American globalist imperial project is untenable and generally destructive for humanity. But even if we would entertain the idea of American Empire succeeding, how would it look like?
This brings us to American domestic policies, which are objectively anti-human. Practically, American oligarchical ideal is a very docile population which constantly wage-slaves - typical capitalist attitude. This is a simple conclusion from MAGA capitalist policies. USA has no ideal for human development asidPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2465098
Actually Marxism is true but exploitation isn't bad if the ruling ideology is true, if be race, ethnos, religion, etc.

>>2465098
You don't.



 

Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.

With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).

And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.

They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
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>>2413732
>forcing

>They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
jfc get a job

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>>2478179
just teach them about the ultimate edge lord who thinks morality is a spook

How do you uyghas have the autistic capacity to analyse a lot of shit yet you can't figure out simple teenage rebellion?
It's just that - teens being edgy. A good chunk of you probably grew up in conservative and religious families and became atheist leftists at least partially out of spite. A lot of soyteens are probably kids in liberal/libleft atheist families where parents put a lot of focus on anti-racism, anti-fascism, feminism, environmentalism, progressive politics, so they go in the opposite direction just to get a knee jerk reaction.
In 5-10 years they'll mellow out into boring libnormies or swing to the other end of the political (and autistic) spectrum and become gay furry ancoms.

There's the potential for abuse, and if it causes shit, I'm sorry, but, you guys talk about the right like they are all far right extremists, if that is the case, are you willing to accept that most on the left are far left extremists?, and in a way a lot of the political world is, as being extreme on the left is almost acceptable nowadays (protests and marches with somebody on a loud speaker calling everybody they oppose a nazi and or fascist).



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>>2479085
I need him to be my lawyer

>>2479053
>>2479050
you need to be rusticated. its for your own good.

>>2478409
The ones with central emblems are all made wrong.
All of them are fucking wrong. All the fucking lines don't match up with the geometry. Who the fuck makes these.

>>2478690
be nice to gorillas they do much more with what they got

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>>2478409
Flags are already pure simulacra as symbols of a country but now we are entering another layer of simulation, simulating form of the symbols themselves.



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2 days after Liberation Day, liberals are still doubling down o n their position that 'Charlie Kirk deserves empathy'. Many suggest they imagine Kirk was a Palestinian child, which will help soothe their sadness.

On the left, others discuss the usefulness of individual terrorism.

<NEWS!!!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/10/politics/charlie-kirk-obituary
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-death-09-12-25
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am i supposed to be scared

>>2479841
Conservatism is turning men into SISSIES

>>2478074
>their guy dies: based, he deserved it, more violence pls
>our guy dies: cringe, he didn't deserve it, shows their true colors
doesn't leftypol act the same way just flipped? i don't see how this shows them as hypocritical cuz its not like they're pacifiists

>>2480227
yeah but we're right and they're ontologically evil

>>2480227
If someone assassinated Mitt Romney or similar pretty much nobody would be dancing on his grave. At least, I don’t think so, outside of the same fringe people that celebrate whenever anyone dies. Isn’t McCain dead? Nobody celebrated that. But right wingers celebrate when random low-level dems get killed.
I wasn’t old enough for Bush II to know if people would have celebrated his assassination in like, 2005.



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So recently, as we all know, unfortunately, CHarlie Kirk has been shot in his neck, it is an act of extreme and with no doubt it's an assasination. So, something I wanted to tell you. Since today, gang violence is a big problem, Charlie Kirk wanted to discuss that shit because there's a lot of people that are shooting in the hood and im from the hood, the barrio ese, i am a minority, and i just wanted to say, that dont you ever fuck with my money uygha, in the hood, we got the enemigos right there, homie, and i have a question to you socialist B-WORDS (b*stards), if money is evil, why do socialist leaders always keep a lot of it for themselves? that fucking money hungry
b*stard stalin. and you think its okay? he was a dictator okay. ever socialist leader had a lot of money so shut the fuck up alright? so u uyghas are hypocrites you retards are yapping on private property being bad but ur sitting on ur mothafucking iphones using that fone shit, no wonder all u uyghas are on a watch list, we as civilized people i view my self as a civilized person because im an honest tax payer we are not tryna fuck nobodys money… but dont u ever fuck wit my money! because im an honest tax payer and i dont want my shit to me stolen by the communists like me i dont want u to steal my money because were the right people and we dont want that shit here mothafucking black power uygha? white power. dont ever fuck with my money uyghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. and its obvious that in la where i live private property is not theft its the honest earnings of a man so fuck off my property
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heres another cool one its latin americans n their leader is nicknamed Hitler and they graffiti swastikas but they say its not nazi its not swastika its actually letters Y and F for "young futures"

another cool one look at the video

ok last one this one is cool cause its like united farm workers its like workers union latino and white united being gangsta its like a workers union's gang

>>2478757
woodie was like the best rapper in the gang you can see cool montage of same song here >>2478746 at 3:05



 

Why has he been totally forgotten?

Why is there no outpouring of support for him the way there is for Luigi?

Elias heroically resisted genocide by gunning down two disgusting parasitical Ziorats. He did more than Luigi or the recent Manhattan shooter for that matter. And he’s actually facing the death penalty because of it. So why aren’t we upholding and celebrating Elias? Where is his support?
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>>2476798
Most likely he was a groyper.

>>2478307
This girl is a fucking idiot.

>>2478337
This. He shot two people whose main tasks were grunt work like getting coffee. They were immediately replaced the next day and the genocide continued without issue.

I wouldn't use this as a moral indictment against other comrades. Media coverage for this was sparse compared to Luigi. It's not that people don't care.

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probably because it was more of a random killing against literal who Israeli officials instead of any leading figures (such as the CEO).



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I saw this wonderful website for reporting bourgeois antifascism and I couldn't help but notice that despite all of the reports only being from the US they are missing the biggest antifa retard there was - Roosevelt, so I did my duty and reported that bitch ass uygha as well.

The American "left" is going willfully to the slaughter just like the Italian "left" did when ᴉuᴉlossnW took power

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Keep posting WW2 generals and leaders, even ones that were generally more conservative.



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