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I don't care about
>the nation
>religion
>family
I care about
>my wage
>my leisure time
>my rest time
This is why I fight for
<higher wages
<more leisure
<more rest
Fighting for any of the first three doesn't guarantee any of these. It is not in my personal interest to fight for
>the nation
>religion
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>>2796856
Read critique of the Gotha programme

No.

Just fighting for higher wage is economist. Read "what is to be done" Lenin explained how economism and trade-unionism harming the revolution.

>>2834067
did you read the second part of the post?

Fighting for higher wages is a tactic, not the end goal obviously. It's a VERY useful tactic.

1) It exposes fraudulent opportunists who can no longer hide behind slogans and have to pick a side in the class war.

2) It also reveals to workers the limits of capitalism. When merely fighting for higher wages doesn't solve all problems, workers can be shown that eliminating the wage system itself is necessary.

3) Militant action gives workers experience on how to organize and how to resist state power

4) The battles increase solidarity between workers.



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Did we tried to establish communism the marxian way? Lets take Russia, China and Vietnam. They all got from feudalism to socialism without even putting down capitalism. Furthermore, if I remember correctly, the revolutions which took place in those country came from the intellectual class instead of the proletariat.
Please enlight me.
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Wrong
Russia was industrializing

>>2816385
>intellectual class
no such thing

>They all got from feudalism to socialism without even putting down capitalism.
The idea that you must go through a formulaic progression through each stage of development is dogmatic I think. The real significance of Marx's works is that socialism is impossible before capitalism and capitalist methods of production (i.e. industrialization) are widespread. It doesn't follow from this that each individual country needs to be capitalist before it can be socialist, especially if the techniques and technology to establish an industrial base can simply be imported from capitalist countries, as the Soviets did. Marx argued that Western Europe was already ready for a socialist revolution in the mid 19th century, despite the fact that the bulk of the population were still peasants.
>Furthermore, if I remember correctly, the revolutions which took place in those country came from the intellectual class instead of the proletariat.
You remember incorrectly. All political movements have a component of intelligentsia. The class character of a movement is determined by who forms the bulk of its ranks, strongest base of support, and what objective class interests it represents.

>>2816890
Were they state capitalist? I remember some writer criticizing this view of the USSR because it had so many small private farms.

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>>2816385
>intellectual class



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I hate leftists and rightists, doe, i follow some of their views as hating capitalists, rich people, yet i hate many minorities. I especially hate nazis and communists (only because of their behaviour, i hate nazis no matter what)

>>2833892
what do you men you hate minorities

>I hate leftists and rightists, doe
Ceasing to use twitter would fix this
>i follow some of their views as hating capitalists, rich people
>yet i hate many minorities.
Socialism is a two birds one stone for that.
  • Makes rich people cease to be a problem (either through getting rid of them or doing dengism)
  • Improves the material conditions of everyone, especially those minorities, which makes everyone less annoying / dangerous, which is where your animousity is rooted.

>I especially hate nazis and communists (only because of their behaviour, i hate nazis no matter what)
As most do socialists / communists / anarchists / etc… Like that's a normal attitude to have in leftist spaces, people mean well, but they can be annoying.
if you use a list, copying your post to edit pastes a tab, appearently. Also confused bold for spoiler. Flood detected.

>>2833892
I look like this by the way

> yet i hate many minorities
So you just want to hate transhumanists without getting a uygha or an Epstein in return?

>>2833892
basic child



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This may be a dumb question, but how am I supposed to support the working class and show sympathy for other workers when people are just stupid? Vast majority of people think communism is le 1 billion dead people and they would gladly have their rights taken away.

How can a revolution be possible when workers are more divided than ever? While global capital sweeps everything away, society is divided into men and women, vegans and meat-eaters, conservatives and liberals, and a million other things
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>>2833930
Not a meme, an ai generated images.
What I mean is that at least fascist are humans, viles, disguting ones, but they have a soul, they have feelings, even if they sell it off to whatever lunatic calls himself a great leader.
But what do tech bros have ? What do these misanthropes worship ?
These people wll gladly kill each and every one of us for their fucking AI. In fact they're doing this, AI will destroy the environnement, the final nail in our coffin, it'll make fascism look like a joke.

>>2833932
>but they have a soul, they have feelings,
pls. they pretend to really care about their race or country but in reality they will keep going with the murder until they sit on top. If the nazis won they would have narrowed the definition of Aryan further and further until only few people were left.
>These people wll gladly kill each and every one of us for their fucking AI.
You are not really wrong here but average posters on imageboards are unlikely to have anything to do with with the actual industry. It's like blaming a single individual driving a car for causing global warming.

>but how am I supposed to support the working class and show sympathy for other workers when people are just stupid?
petite bourgeois mentality
go pour some concrete bitchass uygha

>>2832604
Just become a Marxist-Leninist, and support the militarized party-state which rules over the working class and keeps them in line.

>>2833915
You are the mf defending Gaulle in the other thread? Lmao.



 

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>>2822181
I don't mind him too much. He's a fun character on this website, I find your struggle against him more boring tbh. No offense

>>2822238
>politics is just muh entertainment slop

>>2822238
>At least ᴉuᴉlossnW gives le funny speeches!!1!!!! i find your struggle against him boring!!!1!!! everyone exists to entertain me!!!!!11! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>2822791
Postin on leftypol ain't politics my friend, it is entertainment slop

>>2822792
Your posting on anonymous image boards against either ACP/ESL anon or Haz is certainly not comparable to a some kind of struggle against ᴉuᴉlossnW lmao, get a grip
>That crashout
Sorry to offend your sensibilities anon. It's just stale material

Sometimes i feel like the internet has just been made into one big anti originization tool.
If news about the epstein files came out. And people outraged went outside to seek opinions and feelings of their peers. I think we would all be outside.
With the internet, sure we can discuss and find connection on events. But is not lasting.

You meet someone in real life and make a friend. Because of a united hatred for pedophiles in the governement lets say. That's a different beast.

I think we all need to get off the internet if we want change.



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I own the work place and you don't. You have to beg me for a job. You can have the job only if you produce more revenue than I pay you. I'll pay you enough to stay alive but not enough to escape your circumstances, unless it looks like you're a total bootlicker and I can use you to keep your peers in line. I need you alive so I can use you, but I need you weak so you can't fight back. Who am I?
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>>2833806
>nobody has ever said this
We say it in the board meetings all the time.

>>2833803
Sonic is a hedgehog, not a person

>>2833771
Drumpf. And only Drumpf.

>>2833771
The Chinese.

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>>2833771
>Who am I?
Karl Marx speaking from the perspective of "Mr. Moneybags." in Chapter 6 of Capital Volume 1

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm



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Eugenics is one of those words that people flattened to be absurdly broad and shallow. It was a specific movement, with key goals and philosophies.
But people today employ the word any time someone makes a decision about their offspring that isn't randomly selected breeding.
Today on xitter i see right-wingers and a few left-wingers harassing a couple that decided to terminate a pregnancy due to the baby having down syndrome as "eugenic".
What caused this bastardisation of the term?
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>>2833409
Contrary to what many think, the Nazis barely practiced scientific eugenics. The Nazis decried Darwinism and modern genetics as "Jewish science" and replaced it their retarded woo-woo Aryan esotericism. They based their human breeding programs on irrelevant shit like blonde hair and blue eyes.

I think it was some Paraguay junta that had a program of forced inter-racial marriage to accelerate the process of race mixing to humongous the population. Was that eugenics.

>>2833503
Blond hair blue eyes is not only a reliable proxy for autism score but is also a good indicator of agreeableness(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Emma Goldman supported eugenics.

The early USSR had a eugenics program.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2833409
I’d add that aborting tards is a feminist issue because 99% of care work for the disabled is placed on women. I support families being able to euthanize retarded family members for this exact reason too.



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Zelensky is gonna concede

>>2831963
a guy who's dead, a guy who barely made it into politics, a guy who only western retort, in a country where nazism has only been influenced by the west, and its intelligence countries.
find better material.

>>2831938
"I'm totally a leftist, but Hitler didn't go far enough!!"

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note: i don't proclaim to be super-knowledgeable about offline optics, but with the world becoming increasingly online, i do feel this will inevitably bleed into real-life consequences, as they have done with the online right's success from 2014 to about present-day

as a veteran of the culture wars on both sides since pretty much just after the gamergate days and pre-trump 1, i've seen a lot in my 10+ years being politically involved in the modern age. i've wasted most of my twenties autisticly hyper-analysing political dynamics and persuasion to try and develop theories and praxis on how to help socialist politics gain power in the face of the enormous pressure ultra-capitalism places on them. i'll try and keep this simple, no deep citations of marxist scripture that will make normies turn off their brains, just basic techniques and strategy that i think would personally help the left as a general movement

mainly, win the humour war. i'm not going to say i can always understand what is and isn't quality humour, but that goes even for the greatest of comic minds, not every joke is going to land, but some risk and vulnerability is expected from the comic is needed. anyway, humour i believe is derived from subversion and surprise. subversion often involves the target and the whole "punching up" rule in comedy can be constituted as that. so why is/was 4chan rightoid slop humour "kill da uyghurs and jews deus vult" stuff considered funny by enough of a die-hard audience? because it was subversive. it did something new, and got the reactions it desired. why is it not funny now, or how do you not make it funny to a wider audience? not through outrage or indignation, but simply fatigue and boredom. the shock is the humour. take away the shock and it fades. act like you've seen this shit before and it's almost become normal, without actively normalising it, because you're still critiquing it. you can combine the shock and edge they once had, and instead turn it on the rightoids. they bring what they think is a pipebomb telling you to "kill yourself, commie beautiful lady😍🥰"? bring a precision airstike "i remember when that was funny and hip in 2017. running on exhaust fumes, you epstein apologist dronefly?" i'm not saying it's the apex of comedy, but you're bullying them back harder and more eloquently and put them in a position where they have to think and not operate on autopilot, something naturally leftists will fucking obliterate rightoids oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2833572
>and i might make more threads on this when i get thoughts like ths one again.
don't

>>2833580
just for you schnookums <3

to win at optics you make sure to screech at everyone that they're a fascist for the most innocuous and irrelevant lifestyle choices they make, refuse to compromise with them on any issue, always be trying to scare the hoes with threats of future revenge, torture, execution, retribution, and tell as many workers as possible that they're petty bourgeois imperialist beneficiaries of capitalism who are existentially incapable of fighting the system. oh and throw in a good dash of terminally online chanspeak for good measure.

>as a veteran of the culture wars
Cringe.

>>2833602
half deliberate, half blue oyster cult reference



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I find it hard to believe that rich countries "exploit" poorer ones, in the Marxist sense.

Firstly, its clear that the higher productivity of workers in rich countries is the reason for greater material wealth. Similarly its primarily the lower productivity in poorer countries for the lack of material wealth.

So now you can ask, "do rich countries have high productivity due to exploitation of poor ones"? And the answer is no. They have high productivity due to more automation of production processes.

Secondly you can ask, "do poor countries have low automation because of rich countries"? The answer is no. In fact, rich countries even outsource production to poor ones and help them increase their productivity via tech transfer, capital for building factories etc. The low automation in poor countries is because they start out from historically low base.

Now you can indeed blame colonialism, but I'm talking about existing processes rather than the lingering effects of 70 year old ones. But to be even more accurate, it was colonialism that enabled the development of capitalist relations in the first place, even if those relations were later strangled by the colonizers.
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The classic definition of imperialism according to Lenin is tied directly to the export of capital and import of commodities from less favored nations. The export of technologies comes with heavy strings attached; in particular exclusive contracts, debt, and privatization requirements that are designed in such a way as go keep the cost of labor in these nations as low as possible. Capitalism holds back the productice forces - there are plenty of automatable extractive industry jobs in the developing world that would be automated in a socialist economy based on labor quantums; but remain cheaper than automation in our current system. Nations host capital; and low income nations are put into a position in which their ability to attract capital is dependent upon extreme exploutation. In particular, since labor is the source of value we can look at unequal exchange in terms of labor and see the discrepancy openly

Yes.

>>2828641
> I find it hard to believe that rich countries "exploit" poorer ones, in the Marxist sense.
Well no, of course not the, way you framed that excludes it. Nations dont own capital and nations dont work, capitalists and workers do.

>>2830838
The problem isn't extractive industry. Nationalization of land is a bourgeois demand. And social services like public housing, education and childcare keep the cost of labor low so the problem isn't the bourgeoisie attempting to lower the cost of labor. Imperialism is just more complicated than that.

>>2828641
Yeah, Coltan, which makes the phone you are posing with possible in the first place, just so magically appears out of nowhere.



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