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There is a recurring tendency within revolutionary politics to greet every crisis with optimism. Inflation rises, wages stagnate or fall, housing becomes unaffordable, ecological collapse accelerates, governments become increasingly reactionary, and someone inevitably declares that these are "good." Not because they are good in themselves, but because they are believed to contain the seeds of revolutionary transformation. The suffering of the present is interpreted as the midwife of a liberated future.

This tendency is neither confined to the political left nor unique to the twenty-first century. Throughout the history of capitalism, socialists, anarchists, communists, as well as fascists, liberals, and conservatives have all, at different moments, imagined catastrophe as politically clarifying. The wager is simple. The contradictions of society intensify until they become unbearable, forcing people to abandon old illusions, confront reality, and take action, lawful or otherwise.

Whether this wager is correct remains one of the most difficult questions facing revolutionary politics. The phrase "things have to get worse before they get better" expresses an intuition rooted in historical materialism. If the existing order continues to satisfy enough people's immediate needs, then those people have relatively little incentive to overthrow it. Reform appears preferable to revolution. Stability reproduces consent. Capitalism is not static. It generates recurring crises. Falling profitability, unemployment, debt, environmental destruction, imperial conflict, housing shortages, and declining public services are not external accidents but recurring features of the system itself. From this perspective, worsening conditions expose capitalism's inability to meet human needs. This is not obviously irrational. Revolutions rarely emerge during periods of widespread prosperity. They tend to occur during crises.

Yet this observation immediately confronts a second one. Most crises do not produce revolution, they produce exhaustion. Misery is not consciousness. The assumption that suffering naturally radicalizes people confuses necessity with possibility. Material hardship creates grievances. It does not automatically create revolutionary consciousness. A worker facing eviction may join a tenants' union. The same worker may instead blame immigrants, or become politically apathetic, or devote every waking hour simply to surviving. The crisis itselPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2861844
>kidnapper, extortionist
source?

>>2860245
that says a lot of things about communism. Both good and bad

>>2860262
doesn't that just bolster the point the other anon was making. he was talking about how remarkably non-proletarian some of the most famous communists are. He said "in a time where most people did not get a university education." the fact that they still don't makes his point understated not overstated.

>>2860245
>Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Castro: None of them were proles.
Yeah but the last two were libs

>>2861894
you're a bigger lib if you think that



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Kerala, a state in Southern India, has a strong communist party that despite having to share state power with liberals in a capitalist government implemented a decentralised planned economy.

Local assemblies in villages or city districts make proposals of what to spend the planning budget on, from building schools, hospitals, roads to energy projects. Then through delegates these local proposals go to larger administrative levels and get adapted/combine into larger projects. Then these projects get approved or disapproved by a higher level of government. This happens once a year and has produced multiple 5 year plans throughout its existence.

Could this be used as a blueprint for a a real communist revolution? The problem with giving ownership of MoP to worker cooperatives is the fracturing of society's interests down to the firm (see mutualism), while organisational structures centred on the workplace tend to prioritise production over other important societal issues (see syndicalism). This encourages the maintenance of the commodity form and competition.

To reach true revolutionary ends workers ownership needs to be eventually transferred to social ownership. A planning commission organised based on the commune/society needs to have political grip over workplaces and industries. This to me seems like a viable model towards this that has been tried and tested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Planning_in_Kerala
https://www.sdg16.plus/policies/participatory-development-plan-kerala-india/
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>>2861360
Kerela isn’t the Maoist corridor, CPI Marxist and CPI Maoist hate and kill each other

>>2861380
It's more like the CPI MX are Mensheviks while CPI MO are the Bolsheviks

I wish armed rebellion was legal.
You don't get to impose your shitty laws on me. I have no choice but to obey them.
>Accept terms and conditions
No, but I still want your product.
I hate legalism
I hate the Serpent Race

>>2861389
And CPI Maoist are losing the war and have been losing since Operation Green Hunt, they’re in an infinitely worse position now than they were 20 years ago when CPI Maoist first formed

>>2861311
Of course electoralism is inherently limiting and will not bring the necessary social change. What I wonder is how we use and apply this experiment when an actual revolution were to break out

>>2861295
>a decentralised planned economy.
how can it be both



 

What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?

It might very well be the best possible avenue for communism in the western world. It's one of the largest partie's in Belgium and has very good polling for the next federal election, the only problem is that if they don't get a very clear majority (and thats rare for belgium) they will probably have to come into a coalition with some socdem or moderate party.
The party was also originially maoist but to not die out it just instead became a communist party.

I always thought belgium was gonna cease to exist at some point because of how divivded it is along language lines but i think finally, after however long, class struggle is uniting them together.
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>>2860359
>Peace, land and bread
Peace, land, and bread are absolutely short term economistic demands. None of those things require a revolutionary state as such. All power to Soviets is another matter of course, but they only issued that demand once Russia was already in a situation of dual power.

>>2860359
>all power to the soviets
This was top political play by Lenin, calling for dual power between soviets of deputies and the provisional government, letting the soviets be taken by reformist mensheviks and right-SRs, them hitting the wall of reformism, bolsheviks taking over after radicalization, and only then did Lenin call for APTTS. Genius if ask me. He didn't scream it as an cool slogan btw, there was actual politics behind it.


>>2860957
Damn the DSA seems even more useless than I thought

>>2858790
>What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?
how do they feel about the congo



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I noticed that within much of the conservative or reactionary movement, when people's material conditions worsen, many seem to respond not by supporting efforts to improve those conditions—whether through direct action or by voting for left-wing candidates who promise economic reforms—but by directing their frustration toward immigrants or so-called "welfare queens," believing those groups are receiving unfair advantages. They often end up supporting right-wing candidates whose policies, in my view, make life more difficult for the broader public while primarily benefiting the bourgeoisie. What I struggle to understand is the mindset of wanting to make other people's lives worse simply because your own circumstances have deteriorated. I understand why they see socialism/communism to be the devil because of decades of propaganda against those systems, but wanting to hurt those who are more vulnerable than they are just seems like anti-social behavior.

This is why I don't see MAGA communism or any 'conservative/nationalist' socialism having any potential other than devolving into fascism. The people those movements are trying to appeal to have no class conscious and solidarity. Things that bind the, are class collaborationist in nature rather than built upon class struggle. Communism, be it Marxist or anarchist, is a mass movement that requires the proletariat around the world to work together to throw off their chains. And can't be hung up over conflicts between different ethnicities, nationalities, orientations and ect.
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>>2859869
sometimes I wonder if the extreme anti-social behavior is unique to american conservative movement since as an outsider looking in it appears as if conservatives in other countries usually espouse some form of corporatism as an answer to the class question as opposed to just telling people they're literally the only truly sentient person in the world.

>>2859848
Looks like Dahmer had a type.

>>2860170
Well, American liberalism has been tied to meritocracy and multicultural civic nationalism for generations now. It's the land of the free, so if you fuck up it's your own fault and you should save yourself.

This is very different from the rest of the world, where ethno-religious nationalism is far more entrenched and it's accepted that society's losers should be protected as long as they're the correct faith or skin color.

>>2859869
Yeah it's called fascism anon

>>2859869
>>2860676
strasserism actually



 

Would the ruling class actually restort to nuclear armageddon to try to maintain their social class?

It didn't happen during the cold war but we might very well be in the times of a new revolution, and even without that, the israeli regime has the samson option where it nukes itself and its neighbors for a hellish holocaust.
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At this point it's kind of like chekhov's nuclear war. It's gonna happen at some point


>>2859470
No. The taboo against nuclear war was established by the modern bourgeoisie (and the social-imperialist Soviet regime) to discredit proletarian revolution. The lie is that nukes are so uniquely destructive and dangerous that class collaboration and quietism are necessary to preserve the survival of humanity.

The truth is that nuclear war is inevitable, desirable, and eminently survivable for an educated and prepared proletarian vanguard.

>>2859470
If the porkies could find a way or make psyche themselves to believe that they would be personally isolated from the primary and secondary effects of a open ended nuclear exchange, where they could reap all the benefits of the elevated rate of profit and possible elimination of geopolitical rivals, without any the downsides. If that were the scenario, they would have probably launched the nukes already. So it's unlikely to be coordinated push towards it. Doesn't mean that they can't get high or ideology, desperation and warmongering and start a conventional war that ends up turning into a nuclear war.

I still think that the greatest buffer against nuclear war, after Russian and Chinese nuclear deterrence are the US military brass who actually have to plan for humanity ending wars and who then push back against the civilian wing of the US state machine, who would have burnt the planet x10 over by now with delusions of assured US and western victory in any and all possible conflict scenarios.

let's hope so



 

Dear comrades, this is a guide how to fuck the capitalists, every day of your life.

-do not drink Coca Cola, soda. Drink water and green tea (without sugar)
-do not use toothpaste, brush teeth with toothbrush and saliva
-do not use shampoo, it's expensive and toxic
-do not eat processed foods. Eat unprocessed foods and vegetables, cook them
-do not buy expensive computer hardware and do not buy gaming consoles
-do not waste savings and your salary on consumptionism, instead invest everything or give to charities
-do not work and do not pay taxes, collect gibs from gubmint
-choose cheapest internet subscription instead of fast internet
-do not eat fast food, do not go to McDonalds and KFC
-never buy new cars, always buy old cheap cars
-use ad blocker in your web browser (ublock origin)
-spread anticapitalism on forums and social media
-do not use loans and credit cards, except house loan
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2860110
>Capitalists hate when you invest!
Actually, yes, they do.
They want the proletariat to be without assets, without housing, renting everything from the capitalists. They want you to own nothing.

I will do this.

Thanks

Garbage thread.

tldr: some decent anti-consumerism advice, with some harmful ignorant nonsense sprinkled in because why not (unironically you would have been better off suggesting urine and baking soda than "brush your teeth with nothing HURRR", you can die from advice this bad)

>>2860033
Deng won tho



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lets have a party to celebrate our great glorious leader Joseph Stalin he is the greatest glory to the motherland and TO HELL WITH THE BOURGEOIS AND THE CAPITALIST SCUM!!!

>>2855302
>si/b/eria is down the hall and to the left

>>2855678
hahahaha say the line bart

>>2855302
>he didn't even post the song

>>2877895
A city rooftop summer night,
in your tank top,
RAINBOW STALIN

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and yu loowk so coot bay
yu wer cwyin

awl dis luv sayvd 4 nuthin
i neva felt so blu
and awl dis luv 4 rainbow stalin



 

And with that, the Right Wing ideology has captured the government of everything single South America country, ironically, on the leftern side of the continent.

The only technical standout is Fujimori in Peru, granted she is 40k votes ahead and mathematically locked in, unless the recount reshapes the race entire in the direction of the left, which is mathematically unlikely.
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>>2857837
Proof?

>>2857837
>Trot supports NATO
water is wet

>>2857846
"Trot" barely means anything when it can be a crypto-councilist, a DPRK stan or a neocon

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you stupid faggots need to accept that there's nothing worth saving in south america

>>2846807
eh close enough



 

NATO is being warned by the US that a Russian attack is imminent.

https://m.novinite.com/articles/239429/Is+Russia+Planning+an+Attack+on+Poland+to+%22Test+NATO+Resolve%22#google_vignette

First they attempt to capture Ukraine and that fails horribly in every way possible, so now the nuclear giant is attempting to start war with the NATO union. I know there are people who like Russia here, but saying that they accomplished their day 1 objectives is pure cope. They first tried to send a "special military operation" to oust the president and create a pro-Moscow government in Kyiv. Lost. Then they tried to build a land bridge between Donbas and Crimea through Odesa, then capture Moldova to build a land bridge so they seize the rest of Ukraine going northward. They STILL haven't even completely taken Donbas. They got deeply entrenched in hardcore urban combat in Mariupol for 85 days, and even when they had the advantage and all the cannon fodder in the world, they still couldn't completely crush resistance in the city and their leaders are free to this day to kill more Russians. As a result of the holdup, they redeployed troops to Kherson and lost there as a result. Ukraine still has Black Sea access after they won Mykolaiv, Russia lost a major naval destroyer - the Moskva, using a cheap Bayraktar and two Neptune subsonic ship missiles after it ignited the magazine! What the fuck?! Now it's a frozen conflict. So, instead of dying on that hill, Russia wants WW3.

WW3 incoming. Stay notified for happenings.
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The Chad Donald TVSK will just eat attacking Russian soldiers like a BVLL walrus

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>>2858820
>From what I heard

>>2858394
>Russia would never attack the west
>>2858481
>This would be my reaction too if CIA hadnt been right about Russian invasion of Ukraine.
lol broken clocks are sometimes right, but not this time

>>2858481
fair point but ukraine had no actual alliance with nuclear powers unlike poland

One can only dream of such based outcomes TBH

Give me the nuclear suitcase, I'll press the buttons,Cucktin.



 

In 2017 when Jason Kessler launched the biggest white nationalist rally in the US in a very long time, with 1,500 people attending, it got violently interrupted by counterprotests. Afterwards, the Daily Stormer got kicked from its hosting and didn't find a stable host until 6 months later in February 2018 when they settled with Eranet and Bitmitigate. In 2017, the alt-right was lead by Richard Spencer. Lots has changed since, but in the end, it didn't kill the fringe right it only slowed down their progress by a few years. In 2017, the percent of neo-nazis in America was 9% but alt-right was 10%. In 2021, that number grew after the January 6 protests. More people started supporting the rioters. But yet while the alt-right did die off after the Atomwaffen-Satan drama in early 2018 after that Kiwi Farms thread was created and somebody took screenshots from the BowlPatrol discord server, and the Ricky Vaughn drama that would happen later over TRS 504um. In 2018, so much happened. First the cuckboxing, then Alex Jones getting banned from YouTube. Google rolled out its biggest ever crackdown on "extremist content" in August 2017 after Charlottesville with Jared Taylor's video "race differences in intelligence" getting put in a limited state first. But recently, people have simply adapted to Google's algorithm and YouTube is starting to look a lot like it did in 2016 during the election cycle before the crackdowns. Arthur Kwon-Lee, Jiang Xueqin, and many others are talking openly about the J00s, and comment sections simply use words that don't trigger the algorithm. It's like Google simply abandoned their initial censorship. Videos no longer get put in limited states like they used to, and more alt-right content is flourishing. Antifa? I haven't heard from them in a while. You would expect heavier resistance against ICE, but yet that was reserved mostly for the early Trump presidency. I don't hear from them no more hardly. There are #NoKings protests, but the left is nowhere near as radical as they used to be back in the 2010s. I think the second Trump administration basically cracked down on all of them.
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Glowie thread

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>>2859716
>permaculture and lucid dreaming
Are you obtiomaxxing?

Patriot Front in the US Capital (Washington D.C.)

They seem to be very disciplined and organised, from the metro cards, to the shields and uniforms, almost paramilitary like. But it is likely to be unpopular with the public, relative to the overly militant image, however like other fascist groups, have done propaganda around aid.

The American Left should continue to focus on legal means, such as elections and national political organisations, like the DSA as the largest example, and smaller ones like PSL or CPUSA (who should be absorbed). This neo-kautskyist or leninist method of socialism through democratic means, seems to be a slow but sure method.

However black bloc tactics clearly do not work in the west, or other civic tactics against the fascists.

You Americans, are privileged to have a level of freedom, that would allow you to form similar uniformed organisation(s) (separate from the likes of the DSA, PSL, CPUSA).

There exists a few left gun clubs, like the John Brown Club and Socialist Rifle Association, who educate on firearms training and also do mutual aid; but at the least these groups could be mirror uniformed organisations, just as disciplined, to the patriot front, standing opposite them, just as a threat without committing any action, and if shit goes down, they are not the first to fire or bludgeon.

>>2858534
I like how libertarians pretend to be different from nazis and confederates then do shit like this

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So what's causing men to go to alt-right? I remember the alt-right stuff was blowing up in the off-topic section of some of the self-improvement forums back in 2009.



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