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https://www.marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1975/us-indochina.htm
>The American economy is geared to the world market, of which it requires an increasingly larger share as U.S. capital expands. If this share contracts — and it is bound to contract, should more nations turn away from the American-dominated world market towards a kind of "second world market" which restricts, or excludes, the exploitation of less-developed nations by the developed ones — it will force the internal American development into isolation and in the direction of a state-controlled economy.
Is this prediction basically in the process of being realized given the present conditions of multipolarity and the fact that the American economy has been running on state-subsidized tech bubbles? Does anyone have a statistical QRD of this tendency at hand?



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Third worldism taught us that oppressed nations can become oppressors once they snatch a seat at the imperial table. Poles were once white negroes. Now NATO uniforms wash away solidarity. Marx exalted them. Today, the city of COMECON friendship kisses the Pentagon's boot and calls it sovereignty. Yesterday's revolutionary becomes today's border guard.

What is to be done with Poles and other Volkerabfaelle?
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Liquidate the "Polish" people (made up nationality and fake culture) and have the Belarusians annex the territory as reparations for funding the Belarusian libtards.

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>>2839542
>artificial border between poland and russia
of all the insults aimed at ruthenia this one is my new favorite
>>2839460
guess who's made up and fake now

They're attention whores. Ignore them. It's that simple.

>>2839460
sorry lithuanian, you WILL get polish propaganda in your country and you WILL be part of the PNWO



 

I wrote this article on "Dare To Struggle", a front group for the "Organization of Communist Revolutionaries", itself a splinter group of the RCP (Bob Avakian's cult). There is basically nothing on the group on the internet besides its own posts and websites, I decided to change that. Notable things they've done are threatening to kill other leftist groups for being liberals (despite doing materially the same things as them) and somehow never getting in trouble for them, praising the Shining Path more than any other communist group that actually beat the capitalists in their country, and general retardation and LARPing. Would be interested in seeing what other people think about this group.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dare_To_Struggle_-_Organization_of_Communist_Revolutionaries
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>>2839586
He deleted his post, but Im pretty sure it was him, with his tripcode n everything. Talking the usual stuff trying to get people to write for his mag. Don't know if he posted anything since then

>>2839596 (me)
Just looked it up, this was about 3 days ago in /ISG/. He has not posted since then, but his last non deleted post is from around a week ago.

>>2839579
no one on /leftypol/ was stupid enough to donate to houdini; if anyone did it was just houdini funneling money to himself to fake it.

>>2839606
>the website where users fall for the most obvious bait and LLM slops posts all the time

2839606

Didn’t Houdini and that Juche posters account both post threads the same week with CashApp links? Lol. The feds aren’t that sharp, though. What’s way more likely than North Korean super-meth soldiers is just a handful of burned out leftists hooked on crystal, trying to scrape together cash so they don’t end up fully homeless. Cops aren't always the most creative, so they see that and go, “Yep, possible kingpin".



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Look, I used to be deep in the third internationale scene, councilcoms, leftcoms, NEP diehards, the whole united front of 3rd internationalist trash. Spent years on barricades in bavaria that went nowhere but to long jail terms and isolated comrades, who piss workers off.

Here's what nobody wants to say these movements don't actually want liberation. They want perpetual grievance. They'll talk about establishing a socialism in one country blah fucking blah but have you noticed how these never seems to include any plan for what happens after? How the only solution they offer is the destruction of the only social democracy in the region? Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would.

I'm just saying, i know the weimar regime is fucked, and yes social-democracy has a bad history, but ask yourself who benefits when the left fragments into a dozen purity spirals. Ask yourself why "build the productive forces" gets chanted louder than any concrete demand for soviet power or negotiated production. the third internationalists want open borders in the west but hard authoritarian borders in any region that acts as a hostile force to the west. Some of us are tired of romanticizing resistance that only ever produces more corpses and chauvinist nationalism.

you idiots want to come to terms with reality start by admitting your heroes are running a dangerous disgusting grift.

Yeah no shit lol. Career loonies love to go to normal one issue protests with a soviet flag making us all look stupid.

Just dumb it down, take the method of the right say shit like we will make sure you get more money, addressing climate change will make more jobs and more money. Take the slurs the capitalists use against migrants and use landlord specific slurs instead.

Keep it short and sweet no ten thousand hours of 19th century theory.

>>2839098
I know the post this is referencing lol

>Spent years on barricades in bavaria
>barricades
>in Bayern
Ahahahahaha, cool story bro
>Succdems bad, BUT…
>please don't support actual communists because they're losers i swear
>Germany would become socialist before a bolshevik run russia would
comedy gold

kys lib



 

Fuck whoever deleted the other thread edition

No links because the previous links are shit af

Previous thread: >>2813124


News: Iran cucking out just when fun was starting
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>>2838118
>if the US mainland hasnt been nuked, this is an iranian defeat!
correct

why are they having the funeral of khamenei so late? aren't muslims supposed to be buried like in 3 days time from the moment they die or something?

>>2839065
because it's an extremely common Israeli tactic to bomb funerals.

>>2839065
>why are they taking precautions for an event where a lot of important people presumably are going to be present outside with a clear line of fire
because the enemy doesn't have a soul

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Wonder how many times Eye-ran will keep falling for the good cop bad cop routine.



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How do communists prevent capital flight? It seems like the capitalists will make the economy scream if you organize trade unions and put socialists in power. I suppose sanctions are a similar issue at a larger scale if you've smashed the state.
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>>2839422

literal Nazism.

>>2839369
Through incentives for foreign capital. They will not care if you give them good deal. and national capital cannot fly away because the conditions of profitability it's in the nation. If no revolution they prolly going to fund psyop, opposition, corruption, etc rather than just leave

>>2839431
4e you give them low taxes for 30 years plus other bonuses in exchange for local investment and local acquisition of shit and local funding of R&D and university and shit like that through a government promotion of some stupid bullshit

explain what you mean by prevention

>>2839422
Their argument was easier when property was mostly a physical thing, but the digitization of the economy has made this no longer the case; it's much harder to confiscate the latter than the former. Plus you have few options if your "skilled" labor force decides to emigrate (what are you going to do, create another iron curtain? Forget the impact on public opinion, it didn't work before and won't work now, but even if it did it would require a tiny country with a totalitarian regime like NK - aka not socialism at all, but Bonapartism), or when you need goods that require access to the international market (again, autarky doesn't work - even NK is dependent on China and Russia to access goods), the creation of a black market that undermines your official one, or just simply if you face foreign pressure in the form of sanctions, a denial of credit, or other means of financial isolation. This is why the need for an international coalition in order to overthrow an international system and move beyond it becomes apparent: history doesn't move backwards.



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Why does the left not focus on cooperativization rather than nationalization of industries? If we did manage to replace every company with a cooperative, would that not still be some kind of proto-Socialist position, albeit with markets still intact?
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>>2835115
This is called a smychka

>>2835129
>>2835130
>the value of a political theory lies in how many revolutions the theoretician personally started
by this logic the CIA is the ultimate revolutionary theorist since they have started hundreds of color revolutions.

Hi, guys

I would like to ask you guys to go to EU Inc. proposal page in "Have your say" portal to ask Commission to include cooperatives in their regulation. Here is all you need to know why that's important and to make it easier for you to write your feedback and provide sources too, anyway two studies (1)(2) commissioned by EU identified these problems with the existing SCE (European cooperative society) regulation:

1. High capital requirement to start-up (30000 euros) which is absurd for a cooperatives which rely on labor and frequently struggle to access capital

2. Complicated registration procedures since all 27 member states have their own ways to register SCEs, frequently goverment institutions have no idea how to do it, for example one study references a situation where registration took a whole year, and there is no mechanism to notify other member states then SCE is registered in one state

3. Furthermore in order to register SCE members must come from at least 2 different countries which is arbitrary because all member state citizens are automatically EU citizens so it just needlessly makes it harder to register one

4. Little reason to use SCE legal form then national cooperative forms are much more convenient and can be used to operate cross-borders anyway and little knowledge and visibility that SCEs eve exist

Now proposed EU Inc. regulation would fix LITERALLY all of the problems mentioned above because:

1. It has very low capital requirement, so far the proposal only asks for 100 euros i.e. 300 times less than to set up a SCE
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This is a neat thread, do it again

>>2834694
>markets still intact
"Markets" is just another euphemism for capitalism. So called "coops" under capitalism are not what the name suggests as differences to other types of private commercial businesses such as shareholding are in practice miniscule and merely formal. In order to not get crushed by commercial market competitors privately owned "coops" must generate revenue, transform goods and products into commodities, accumulate capital and constantly expand just like any other capitalist. After a certain time however an operative threshold is reached and the effects of the falling rate of profit might kick in noticably, making maintaining revenue & growth more difficult. So in order to stay in business private commercial coops are bound to employ the usual bourgeois methods that is degrade product quality while the price is increased, cut r & d costs, degrade working conditions, cut wages of employees and "invest" in imperialist activities of the bourgeois state.
A "nationalized" coop under socialism or communism works entirely different, because socialist and communist economies are based on demand, not on the desire of bourgeois individuals to limitless hoard while preventing others from accessing and distributing resources for common purposes most efficiently.
"More coops" is pseudo-socialist liberal hogwash, it will change nothing substantially as the capitalist mode of production remains untouched.



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Communism is an impossibility, you’re never getting rid of the division of labor. Even if you got rid of entrepreneurs and investors and replaced them with the state you’ll never have factory workers doing brain surgery or high level accounting. Unless you rotate which sector sets the government agenda (which will inevitably benefit itself above the wider community) you’re just going to have a dictatorship of HR departments, which would be worse than the status quo.
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>>2813589
>you’re never getting rid of the division of labor.
so? division of labor is good. do you want plumbers doing neurosurgery?

>>2818963
If you have a problem with your brain, that’s your own fault and moral failure, every kind of surgery is just enabling bad behavior

>>2819008
Stop bumping slide threads, retard.

unfortunately true, but we can still fight for better concessions as workers. by fight i mean in the ballots, anything else usually just gives the state the excuse to outlaw socialism

>>2818963
>so? division of labor is good.
According to Marx, communism will abolish the division of labour.



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You guys don’t fine it weird how this man became the world's first trillionaire and then you go to his social media and he spends all day reposting videos of minorities committing crimes, anti-immigration propaganda, etc.?

It’s like he knows his ass is on the line and he's desperate to redirect the anger of the masses to another target. The worst part is that it works.
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>>2839480
yes my fellow champion of the people it is certainly in the interests of the workers to vote for those parties that continue to cut taxes on the wealthy, cut social spending, cut public healthcare, education, pensions, lower the minimum wage, raise the level of working hours, replace workers with AI, raise the cost of housing, the cost of food, destroy worker savings through inflation, fund and grow the surveillance state, and arrest and imprison people who protest against imperialist war and genocide. this is surely in the interests of the working class and not at all a pitiful attempt at astroturfing on your part stemming from a misanthropic and psychopathic lust for blood and suffering against those you deem as subhuman.

>>2839467
Shouldn’t you be on /r/redscarepod or /r/stupidpol parroting generic right-wing talking points and thinking you’re enlightened for living in a major city in a blue state and having the same beliefs as some redneck from Bumfuck, Ohio while refusing to move to a conservative area?

>>2839485
listen just because the guy that orders the design of and approves those engagement bait algorithms just recently became the first trillionaire in history doesn't mean we should start jumping to conclusions all of a sudden

>>2839487
You forgot Orban and the Polish right in the list too. The worst part? Their partisan will actually pretend they solved the problem while still attacking the left or even liberals because it turns out "immigration" is not about immigration for the most part.
Trump hasnt reduced it significantly by the way but UK Labour did. Guess which one is being defamed by the rightwing medias constantly?
>>2839492
Well said. When we win we will deport these guys to deep red flyover rural town so they can experience the joys of an ethnically homogenous christpilled hogh trust society they promote so much. Because they wont go there by themselves clearly.

elon is the richest man in the history of… ever



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Deng Xiaoping Theory saved Marxism from irrelevance by shifting its focus from perpetual class struggle to practical economic development. In the late 1970s, orthodox Marxist-Leninist economies faced severe stagnation and widespread poverty. Deng revitalized the ideology by introducing market mechanisms into a socialist framework, creating a model that allowed communist states to survive and thrive in a modern globalized world. [1]

Rebranding Productive Forces
Prioritizing wealth: Deng argued that poverty is not socialism.
Redefining communism: He stated that true socialism must develop productive forces.
Shifting metrics: Economic output replaced ideological purity as the primary goal. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Decoupling Markets from Capitalism
Pragmatic tools: Markets and planning were viewed as economic tools, not defining political traits.
Market Socialism: He proved market mechanisms can serve a socialist economy.
Foreign capital: China opened doors to global investment while maintaining state control. [7, 8, 9, 10, 11]

The "Seek Truth from Facts" Philosophy
Rejecting dogma: Deng discarded blind adherence to utopian Marxist theories.
Results-oriented: Policies were judged by their ability to raise living standards.
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>>2839478
Dengoids enjoyed the benefit of the doubt as long as China's rate of profit was high and they economy was growing, so they could pretend it was NEP in action. But now that the economy is slowing and RoP is declining, it's going to be increasingly harder to maintain this illusion.

Some examples include raising the retirement age for workers, making anti-automation laws, threatening other countries for violating Intellectual Property, threatening countries that want to adopt "Dengism" themselves because doing so would it make it harder for Chinese exports to enter, making public about intentions to increase consumption share of GDP (which results in declining growth), revising down GDP growth expectations, providing support for real estate market, increasing regressive taxes and tightening tax compliance on working class etc

>>2839477
>If a real communist revolution happened anywhere, the US and China would work together to crush that revolution.
as china builds socialism you will cry every step of the way that China and the USA are secretly best friends, all the way up until the point that the USA starts thermonuclear war with China, and then you will say it's just inter imperialist war

>>2839482
ultras have nothing but complaining from their armchairs

>>2839483
Why would I cry if China does something that benefits the real movement? You know the "capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them" applies to Chinese capitalists as well right?

>>2839484
I mean if you actually bothered to learn about China from Chinese themselves you would realize all the things I talked about are publicly discussed problems in China. Btw there are lots of Chinese leftcoms as well.

>>2839477
No they wouldn't, they don't even have the capacity for that in the slightest



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