/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Tell me more about this shit. Stockholm syndrome & cuckoldry can be cure, no? I don't try to become a dengoid, but is there anything worse than becoming a cuck? Why there are so many cucks out there?

I'm listening to the Revolutions podcast atm and the dude is discussing the 1907 Bolshevik bankheist Stalin led and organized, to discuss this he gave the background on Stalin's life and holy fuck, this dude's life was crazy! Like, a committed revolutionary as a teenager, leader of the tiny faction of Georgian Bolsheviks, a genius and lover of the arts his entire life, a rough and tumble adventurer who had shootouts with tsarist officials while robbing trains and stagecoaches to fund the revolution, holy fuck this dude's young life is genuinely worthy of a film adaptation! Like, this genuinely sounds like shit out of a movie, a real life fantasy story. A dude who broke out of the gulags to nearly freeze in Siberia, but accomplished his escape later on anyway! Apparently when he attended his first Congress of socialist parties he was thrown off by how so many of them were effete writers and thinkers while he was a true revolutionary soldier. Honestly it's throwing me off since most famous socialists don't have life stories anywhere near as interesting as this.

In another thread >>96519 I wrote an explanation of Marx's use of value, exchange-value, and use-value. In my explanation, I tried to write from the perspective of describing processes, not defining terms, since Marx didn't treat them as terms to be defined.

Since this is a controversial topic, I'd really like to see what others think about value, abstract labor, and commodities; this is a fundamental issue that affects our understanding of capitalism as a whole and especially communism.

One type of a commodity is a useful item that is produced for the purpose of exchange. Nothing is a commodity independently, because the state of an item being a commodity depends on the existence of the social relation of value and exchange. A useful item, such as a brick, is a use-value as long as it's in use. Use-values don't have to be commodities, and they don't have to be produced by humans; the air that you breathe is a use-value. Marx doesn't care why a thing is useful, just whether it is. Use-value is not synonymous with utility; a use-value is useful but it isn't "a utility". This is important because utility as a concept in modern economics is distinct, they try to quantify it.

Exchange value is the necessary form of appearance of value. The ratios at which a commodity exchanges to other commodities are its exchange-values. 10 bricks exchange for 1 bottle of vodka, but could also exchange for 5 bananas. Eventually market economies develop a universal equivalent, commodities are exchanged with money as the prime mediator; price is the form of expression of exchange-value measured in money. To be exchanged they must be reduced to a common element. It isn’t the use values themselves, because they are plainly qualitatively different. It isn’t the type of labor that went into making them, because the concrete labor that went into making the bricks is qualitatively completely different from the concrete labor that went into making the vodka. The basic common element between commodities must therefore be human labor in the abstract. This reduction to abstract human labor is occurs in both the act of exchange, which equates commodities as values, and commodity-producing labor, which presupposes exchange. These commodities are values.

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Dictatorship of the proletariat is the most retarded concept on earth when it prioritizes party members and disallows the average proletarian from having a say in the government. True socialism can only come about when every proletarian has a say in their government and a piece of the political power pie, and when robust systems are in place to keep bourgeois reaction from undoing socialist movements. Mass repression is not the answer, and bourgeois reactionaries only need to be kept out of the system. Proles grounded in theoretical knowledge of Marxism should be at the center of deciding who is bourgeois, but they should not be exempt from being held accountable to the people at large.

So anarchism is a CIA psyop just like the hippie movement, right?

A grande richiesta e dopo un'inutile e penosa scissione, rieccoci.

What is it that leads modern "internet" leftists in the west to be so individualistic? Everyone wants to make their own ideology (ex: Anarcho-[insert]ism or Marxism-[insert]-[insert]-ism). Why are modern western leftists so disconnected from actual working class struggle and lean so hard into pedantry, arbitrary contrarianism, debate-bro-ism, edgy bullshit and just straight up grifting?

The solution of working class unity requires people going out and doing shit in numbers, so many "internet leftists" seem more like AM radio pundits who are just grifting a niche audience for money and fame rather than actually trying to advance the working class.

Of course they rationalize it by saying twitch streaming is their praxis: well assuming its true and not just a post hoc rationalization for their grifting internet-boi careers, then its a bad form of praxis. Doing anything, literally extremely basic liberal/charity stuff like attending/organizing a protest, organizing feeding the homeless, working with a tenants union or something, would be more productive than the bullshit they do.

Of course, it would also require them to 1) get a real job because they would no longer be able to support themselves off patreon bux, and 2)humble themselves and be a team player who works with others, not just an attention whore dudebro primadonna.

The left really needs an American/Western Mao who will send all these breadtube radlibs down to the countryside to actually learn what work is. Make no mistake: these are not "leftists". If you try and interpret their actions as that of a person coming to conclusions and conversing in good faith you will be confused: a breadtuber, as a youtuber, is really just a self-employed person. Petit bourgeois by class status, and that is their mentality.

Consciously or unconsciously, they follow the market. Being a "leftist" is just a shtick for them, the same way Belle Delphine is a "gamer girl" because she identified a market of lonely video game nerds. Breadtubers were people who identified an underserved market of liberals and leftists who wanted a pushback on mid 2010s anti-sjw shit. They are entrepreneurs first and leftists second, if at all.

That is why people like socialism done left, Hasan pivot from being leftists to being liberals, because it's a bigger market. These types quickly figure out that they either have to branch out or quit, because there aren't enough people on the actuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I just want you to do one thing.
Get into this tweet and see the replies.
What is to be done about right-wingers?
https://twitter.com/LeftyMoment/status/1366675325204193281?s=19

It's quite revealing that sectarianism is the word so often used to describe leftist infighting, since it's typically in reference to conflict within religious groups. Regardless, this is how sectarianism is defined according to Wikipedia:
>Sectarianism is a form of prejudice, discrimination, or hatred arising from attaching relations of inferiority and superiority to differences between subdivisions within a group.
This bears some similarity with Freud's idea of the "narcissism of small differences". Again, according to Wikipedia:
>The narcissism of small differences is the thesis that communities with adjoining territories and close relationships are especially likely to engage in feuds and mutual ridicule because of hypersensitivity to details of differentiation.
What both of these concepts share in common is that groups of people, who appear to have many similarities, tend to come into conflict with each other over perceived differences, even just minor ones. Additionally, in both cases the conflict has a significant emotional content to it.
What do you think causes sectarianism? Is there a solution to sectarianism? If so, what is it? If not, why?

Being the idealist I am, I want leftypol to be a place where honorable and reasoned discussion between opposing points of view can flourish. Because of this, I think it's important to point out the obvious: UNMODERATED DEBATE IS A HARMFUL
The key word here is unmoderated. Debate is not only useful, but in my opinion necessary. However, debate can be very flawed, hence the presence of moderators and rules that help guide good debates. Without such factors, debates can descend into the realm of emotionalism and rhetoric. Banter is one thing, but bullying should have no place in any serious discussion. A good forum will not only allow but actively encourage debate, yet specifically in a form that is regulated.
Ideally, debaters would moderate themselves, but this is clearly not the case. This is why I am in favor of taking an authoritarian stance towards sectarianism and aggressive rhetoric in debate threads. There is no reason why either fair and free debate or even just banter across the board should be stifled by such a policy. All that would need to be done is for an OP to title their thread something like "DEBATE: Should jaywalking be punished with the death penalty?". Then, any such threads should have a clearlPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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