/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

If there exists class conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie and historically proletarians have established their supremacy in certain countries and certain time periods like the dictatorship of the proletariat under Stalin in USSR for example was there ever a place where Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class?
Would it even be possible for Lumpenproletariat to seize the power and make their class interest the dominant one? How would such system look like and function?
Is there any political party at this moment advocating for the interest of lumpenproletariat?

Who even constitutes XXI century Lumpenproletariat?

Is the key flaw of Marxism that all of its predictions are bullshit? Why do communists feel like facts have to conform to their feelings when Marx never said that? Marx was never a moralfag and based his ideas in the fact he believed the collapse of Capitalism was inevitable. 200 years on, and it has not collapsed or led to any sort of successful socialist revolution.

You can identify the exact point at which Marxists start coping and treating their belief system as a religion. From the Preface of The Poverty of Philosophy on Marxists.org:

>The above application of the Ricardian theory that the entire social product belongs to the workers as their product, because they are the sole real producers, leads directly to communism. But, as Marx indeed indicates in the above-quoted passage, it is incorrect in formal economic terms, for it is simply an application of morality to economics. According to the laws of bourgeois economics, the greatest part of the product does not belong to the workers who have produced it. If we now say: that is unjust, that ought not to be so, then that has nothing immediately to do with economics. We are merely saying that this economic fact is in contradiction to our sense of morality. Marx, therefore, never based his communist demands upon this, but upon the inevitable collapse of the capitalist mode of production which is daily taking place before our eyes to an ever growing degree; he says only that surplus value consists of unpaid labour, which is a simple fact. But what in economic terms may be formally incorrect, may all the same be correct from the point of view of world history. If mass moral consciousness declares an economic fact to be unjust, as it did at one time in the case of slavery and statute labour, that is proof that the fact itself has outlived its day, that other economic facts have made their appearance due to which the former has become unbearable and untenable. Therefore, a very true economic content may be concealed behind the formal economic incorrectness. This is not the place to deal more closely with the significance and history of the theory of surplus value.

Marx never would have said this lol, this is plain magical thinking

So according to Vivek Chibber what communists need to do is the following:

-Middle class intellectuals must create a party of dedicated cadres who will then approach the workers by committing class suicide.
-Some of these workers will be recruited as ideologically committed cadres who will then unionize their workplace, creating unions separated from the core organization
-There must be discipline and accountability
-Once there, we will somehow figure out how to solve the questions on how to organize workers in the face of globalization, capital flight, and so on

• Must engage in social reforms to gain ground and then weaken the enemy using their own tools
  
  

This isn’t very different from what Felix says, the only difference being Felix wants to use violence instead of organizing workers.

There’s no excuse at this point. Chibber has offered a viable strategy, the only problem is finding cadres willing to commit class suicide

Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?

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>state withers away just like marx predicted
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The relation between religious retards and their disillusionment with the world coming to bring their baggage while demanding change from the real movement that has already done its hundreds of years' worth of material analysis to explain the phenomena occurring by atheist anti-theist might, to come and label onself as "christian, muslim, jewish, pagan socialist-esque" or even worse an "anarchist" clinging to the niche of creative writings, seeking legitimacy and to be legitimized of ones' metaphysical supersititous retardation gives no room for development of the real movement, it stagnates it as a retrograde aesthetic tending towards reactionary stillness in life - a status quo of demanding to preserve feudal and pre-feudal mythos when the movement is trying to bring workers to view reality for what it really is, all conceptions of GOD, GODS, SPIRITS, DEITIES and such being man-made as words and remaining solely as conceptions with addendum of personal experiences always unexplained as "feelings" - trying to mitigate research and development by situations presented in such a way that they inherently deny rationale.

It is the status quo of the majority of the world population being turned retarded-submissive by abstract religiosity and contempt with its decay. To synthesize decay and growth or present decay as growth in an attempt to paint oneself a "socialist" or "progressive force" is to lie for closure.
As Il Duche himself wrote before opportunistically clinging to the catholic church in Italy for politician gains - God Does Not Exist, so we affirm his essay. Luddic left liberalism and leftism as the bourgeois liberalism it will always be - is always reactionary and the road of religiosity and negation. Reactionism will always be against the notion of revolutions, a reactionary revolution or a conservative revolution can be nothing less than Adolf Hitler's rise.
Call for the liquidation of religiosity and not its synthesis and integration within the movement against the present state of things, it is a part of the present state that has plagued civilization since all previous modes of production and continuing in liberal "secular" capitalism. Deny entryists. A "religious socialist" is either a confused socialist in need of psychiatric help or a religious reactionary posing as socialist.

A religious "socialist" is only a re-branding in name of the same feudal bullshit that has stagnated and appropriated human development foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Why is it so hard for Marxist-Leninists to admit that the bureaucracy of their regimes end up constituting a class with their own interests different from ordinary workers?

Communist Cuba is about to be overthrown.