/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2747963
>barbarians were
yes dialectics means repetition of core principles at a higher stage. aufheben = uplift and preserve not identicle repeat of historic events

>>2747948
no it is true. state is an organ for class rule proletarian republic is a transition when capitalism still exists globally. full communism is global, and stateless, abolition of classes precludes the existence of the state as such

>>2747945
>states also rely on the existence of capitalism
Capitalism only can exist within a state. It's the other way around. States exist since antiquity and are difficult to remove.

>>2747904
>wait i thought you liked him? are you also the person who cried about him all the time before tripfagging?
I have a love/hate relationship with Martyanov. I will never forgive him for calling Shoigu's firing as a "promotion". He was replaced by Belousov and given a position that is entirely dependent on informal connection which he is lacking therefore he was demoted. I agree with Martyanov's CV early life meme but I think he too has his blinders on.

>>2747680
>class war and history are (for now) the same thing
NTA but I've never understood this notion. marx says the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle. he said that because class struggle happens in all societies, because all societies so far are class societies. the part I have trouble with is the "history" part. History as an actual academic practice has actually notoriously been an enterprise of the privileged elites, the literate, the wealthy, and so the practitioners of history have actually been very good at covering up class war, and presenting history as a mere chronology of the deeds of wealthy, powerful, gifted, and famous individuals, and of "epic" events like wars and famines.

>>2721198
Who wrote about abolishing the feudal mode of production 200 years prior to industrialization? Thats what we're at with Marx, and 200 years later it is still the capitalist mode of production. Where were their analyists? Where were their great men? Which was the great capitalist nation that fell during feudalism only for capitalism to come to be later? What was their USSR?

>>2721198
There was no capitalist movement during feudalism, it all came to be after the industrial revolution, which was spontaneous as a result of random smart asses rediscovering the steam engine. The bourgeois didn't have to suffer like we did, they got it all handed to them right there and then.

>>2721229
>What was their USSR?
technically speaking the dutch republic, more accurately parliamentarian england during the civil war, for a good while afterward a large amount of reforms were placed in to reduce the growing tide of liberal capitalist reform, like in france, parts of germany, etc, it was only in the latter half of the 18th century that liberal capitalism started to be a real force

uygha they spent centuries theorizing liberalism before the feudal order actually fell wtf is everyone talking abt

>>2721230
>there was no capitalist movement
what was the enlightenment?

It was the liberal movement, it didnt call itself a "capitalist" movement

Dr Nicholas Matheou, Turkey's Neo-Ottomanism vs. Greater Israel

'Salih Muslim was a revolutionary for the Kurdish cause'
Yesterday, Salih Muslim, a member of the Co-Presidency of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), was martyred in a hospital in Erbil. His friends and relatives spoke to our agency.
Deputy Co-Chair of the Kobanê City Council of the Kurdistan Region, Mizgin Xelîl, expressed her condolences to the family of martyr Salih Muslim and said: "Yesterday, a national figure reached the level of martyrdom, we were saddened by his martyrdom. We extend our condolences to the people of Kurdistan and the people of Rojava, to the family of martyr Salih Muslim."

Mizgin Xelîl stated that Salih Muslim was always in the struggle for the cause of the Kurdish people and said: "Martyr Salih was in the struggle and resistance despite his advanced age and never abandoned the line of resistance. Salih Muslim fought for the unity of the Kurds his entire life. Everyone should support his cause."
Co-chair of the Kobanê Civil Society Organization, Nebo Temo, stated that it is not enough to mention the work of martyr Salih Muslim and said: "I have known Salih Muslim since the 1990s. From that time until today, he has been working and working."
Nebo Temo said that Muslim had educated himself on the philosophy of Leader Abdullah Öcalan and said: "We must also uphold the legacy of the martyr Salih Muslim and continue the cause he set for himself. Salih Muslim was the father of martyrs and was himself a martyr."

Comrade Salih Muslim Ahmed Pir said he was proud of Salih Muslim's martyrdom and said: "In the personality of comrade Salih Muslim, we see struggle and resistance for the Kurdish cause. When one looked at him, one's heart ached for freedom and one was happy."
Ahmed the Elder promised that he would be Salih Muslim's successor and said: "We will fulfill the dreams and aspirations of comrade Salih."
Salih Muslim's relative, Muslim Muslim, also said about the struggle of the martyr Salih Muslim: "We opened our eyes. Salih Muslim was in the movement and fought for the Kurdish cause. He spent his life in struggle and fought for the rights of the Kurdish people until the last moment of his life, and his dream and ambition was the freedom of the Kurdish people."

YPJ: Salih Muslim is the standard of true patriotism
The General Command of the Women's Protection Units (YPJ) issued a message following the martyrdom of PYD Co-PresidenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Salih Müslim was sent off on his final journey.
Salih Muslim, a member of the Co-Chairmanship Council of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), who died of kidney failure on March 11 in a hospital in Hewler (Erbil), was buried in his hometown of Kobanê. Delegations from North and South Kurdistan attended the funeral ceremony held at the Martyr Dicle Cemetery. At the ceremony, which was attended by tens of thousands of people, a letter sent by Leader Apo (Abdullah Öcalan) after Salih Muslim's death was read aloud.

Speaking at the ceremony, Tuncer Bakırhan, Co-Chair of the Peoples' Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party), said, "We worked closely with Salih Muslim. Comrade Salih was a great diplomat, a great revolutionary. He worked not only for himself but for the entire Kurdish people. Just as Orhan Doğan and Mehmet Sincar are for the people of Bakur (Northern Kurdistan), Salih Muslim is for Rojava (Western Kurdistan). May your path be clear, Comrade Salih. Our condolences to the Kurdish people."

Kurdish politician Leyla Zana said, "The path of hope opened by the great Salih Muslim will illuminate our way. The suffering we have endured for centuries must end. I also respectfully commemorate the martyrs who were laid to rest yesterday. We have reached this stage with great sacrifices. We are going through a process where we will either live freely or we will live freely. Chairman Apo speaks of democratic unity, and therefore everyone must take responsibility for their part. Today, the world is facing crises. Because there is a circle of fire. However, it is the Kurdish people who are full of hope. We will further increase our hopes. Today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow will be even better than today. We will lean on our people. When we have confidence in ourselves, the whole world will respect us. We will strive even harder to live freely. They deem death worthy of us, but no, we are building life."

Kobanê is an example for us. I am at the service of this people. And I will continue to be so after this process. If we are united, we are a great force. We will lead the way to a free life. We are ready to be friends with all peoples. I hope we will experience our best moments together. I participated in a program with Comrade Salih. Despite having difficulty breathing, he wanted to ensure that not a single minute was wasted. He didn't want a single minute to be wasted for the Kurdish people. I belPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Israel said it carried out airstrikes on Syrian army positions overnight on Thursday, claiming the attacks were in response to violence against Druze civilians in southern Syria, amid intensifying clashes in Suweida province.

"Overnight, the IDF struck a headquarters and weapons at Syrian regime military camps in southern Syria," the Israeli military said, according to AFP.

Clashes in Suweida erupted on Thursday between government forces and allied tribal fighters and Druze factions, according to local sources.

Syrian state media did not acknowledge the clashes or the Israeli strikes.

“The IDF will not allow harm to come to Druze in Syria and will continue to act for their protection,” a statement from the Israeli military said.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-strikes-syria-under-pretext-protecting-druze

Newroz in Damascus. Interesting.

>>2702562

everyone is propagandized. They don't realize what they are doing is evil or exploitative. Just because they are rich doesn't mean they have more critical thinking skills than the average. It's not an excuse, I still support classicide, but most of the bourgeoisie are just as hypnotized by the spectacle as everyone else

>>2747563
i think its more that they dont think about it much. like, do you feel bad that you accidentally stepped on a few ants on your way to work?

>>2747579

Gonna sound like a lib here but I think the only porky that gets spared in the revolution is dolly parton. She created a fucking theme park to give jobs to people out of work after the coal bubble popped in appalachia. She'll also send you free book to read to your kid every week until kindergarten.
I know she's bougie but I can't think of any other rich person who's funded something for the explicit purpose of creating jobs. Normally they only fund things that destroy jobs.

>>2747579
The capitalists seethe about minorities and the poor all the time though?

>>2747592
Like who? Elon Musk? Most real porkies don't give a fuck about anything dude, not even Musk does. It's all vapid bullshit that serves only their ego one way or another. They just want to sit in their mansions on their islands and rape people and everything else can burn for all they care

The EU is just an international job program for us

>>2733931
made in abyss is garbage

>>2733931
AD5 competition. I applied for this too. No fucking clue why 80 thousand of 170 thousand applications are Italians

>>2747917
Also applied

>>2747920
Does practicing verbal reasoning tests makes you feel retarded? Because they make me feel retarded

>>2726858
That's some cool surface level insight you have on the ACP. Completely unrelated to this thread though. Especially since the US Section of the RCI is even more of a laughing stock compared to it's european counterparts.

>>2726876
Which one? Can i read it online?

>>2727001
here's the website comrade
https://marxist.com/the-imt/international-marxist-tendency/the-imt.htm

>>2727001
dude ACP has absolutely no grounds to mock the RCI lol

>>2731342
Some Trots are alright. You guys have the best Newspaper where i live. The Tankies have one that is alright too but noone reads it.

>>2731834
Maybe not the RCI as a whole but the RCA are a complete joke.

recently some iranian immigrant joined the party and he had just immigranted 4 months ago
He instantly talked about overthrowing capitalism, not just sectors in it, but the whole.
So…….. is the guy a spy….?.?

>>2729998
>daytrading
what's the start up cost and should I take a course or something like that first?

t. lazy pothead

>>2747595
its unironically gambling and that anon is more likely than not lying

>>2747595
the startup cost is everything you have, eventually.

courses are scams. you don't need to pay someone else to teach you to yeet all your money into the ether. you can download robinhood and be down everything forever within the day. leverage it with loans (free money) and you can be a debt-slave for NOTHIN, not even a degree or new car or whatever the fuck people live to die for now.

"call put low high sell buy resist trend" - there's literally every course right there, print these words out, cut them up, shuffle them, and recite whatever combination comes up when you're confused. this is technical anylysis, it will banish the money demons confusing you. the only thing else you really need to know is to try to split your trade into as many trades as possible so that the amount that goes to fees is fucking insane, but that's only if you want to. the financiers need fed too, but it does look way cooler if you blow it all in one fucking go.

>>2747595
pay for a course, it will speed up your progress

>>2729998
>I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.
You are providing allocation mechanism for capital to grown large and fat.

>>2747495
It's more like I've been burned in my life enough relying on other people to not be foolish enough to keep doing so or signing on for something that just exploits me in the end and doesn't actually give a fuck about me.
>You cry about a lack of community and empathy
Because there isn't one? What am I supposed to do about that? You say I'm the narcissistic egocentric asshole, you been outside lately? I've seen plenty of Leftist frustrations with organizing, don't act like I'm the first person to discover this problem. I'm just dealing with it. I'm one person. Maybe I'll get proven wrong one day about the general state of things but I don't see any unity to be found much of anywhere. Late Stage Capitalism has done an absolute motherfucker on our collaborative capabilities - I can't deprogram everyone.

>>2747501
Frankly I'm starting to feel this way about Communists.
>fetishize a nonexistent past
Communist countries also often rewrite their own history to fit with a Marxist interpretation, so I'm really not sure how people choose to relate to and interpret their heritage in odd ways is uniquely a conservative thing.
>selling off everything and importing the globalized mercantilist culture
As someone with Jeffersonian, Agrarian and Anti-Federalist sentiments I really have seen and experienced this a lot and noticed it from a young age.

>>2747401

What is the alt-left? As in communists, the actual left, and not democrats?

Also, yeah. The ideas were created for you and you were propagandized to believe them. The only ideology is ruling class ideology and Epstein was a mover and shaker in that class, and created the alt-right movement wholecloth. He probably made sure it would be antisemitic to double down on the cognitive dissonance of the deplorable chud base of the alt-right.

>>2747674
>communists, the actual left, and not democrats?
Yes. But it sure seems like you guys are always ready to act for Democrats. To be fair, the Alt-Right has had the same problematic relationship with Republicans.
If you really actually think Epstein created the Alt-Right, wholecloth, you are a fool who wasn't there on the inside. But I have no interest in defending these people - it's not the purpose of my thread - but I will say the assertion is patently false.

>>2747626
>Progress is not always synonymous with improvement.
I never mentioned progress, I just said things change, this is inevitable, and between us I don't really believe there is such a thing as "progress" in the sense most leftists use it, but this doesn't mean holding to stuff from the old world that will inevitably stop existing makes sense, reactionaries think change is something thats being imposed to them from the outside when is actually just a consequences of our existence being inseparable from what we call time

>>2740177
You are a dumb inbred redditor

>>2740328
mad

>>2740149
>Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Having this Deliverance-ass classist snobbery towards these kinds of people is pretty much the easiest big reason, first of all, why these people would rather die than be Left-wing. They care about their roots and have a deep pride in that. People talk about traumatic Small Town American culture and act like somehow we are worse than everyone else. Lmao, are you blind or sheltered?
Trump spoke to their needs, something Democrats haven't done. They've internalized that, economically, they're just in their own. Actual socialist policies that would've helped them have been totally delegitimized in their eyes. But these people are not stupid just because they don't look at life through your academic worldview.
>culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one ever wants to slap someone shit into these people.
The fact that the people who are overwhelmingly compared to Suburbia veterans with more experience with violence generally have not actually formed the Right-Wing Death Squads and made it impossible for you to ever leave the city limits in spite of the fact that, from their point of view, Leftists literally hate them because they exist (in essence) should say a lot more about the fact that they are capable of being respectful.
We didn't wake up one day in this political climate and the Right definitely didn't start it. It started with Democrats race-baiting, which created this blowback, which inevitably just serves to further undermine any attempt at getting these people even a smidgen of class consciousness.
How about this for a fucking start: quit looking down your nose at these people and understand them. Matter of fact just stay in your lane because you're just going to do more harm than good to those of us from these cultures who are trying to make any real change.
Once upon a time, Appalachia for example was literally forming guerilla bands to fight the fucking army over Coal Mines. Maybe ask what happened there, and then keep studying it from your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2740272
>hahaha Americans are all evil, everything about them is evil, they have no redeeming qualities what so ever, i'm gonna shit all over the father of their country
>why do Americans hate us and not want to entertain Leftism?
Jesus - at least the Alt-Right can understand why most Americans don't want to give credence to them, or could back when they still mattered. The lack of self awareness - whew, lad.

>>2740149
Euro-Americans are völkerabfälle, non-historic peoples and cannot seize power. Euro-America forms the cast-off ruins of European nations. However, by the nature of their struggles against oppression, the non-white American nations have formed historical nations. Urban Euro-America is being absorbed into the progressive non-white American nations at a much faster pace than the non-historical rural Euro-America. Urban America also has much more material options for women's independence.

It's a mistake to assume that non-historic peoples are always reactionary but in many situations and times they can become quite reactionary. Everything that Engels said about the Slavs really applies to Euro-America.

>>2706641
The history of Leftism in America has been totally buried and it's sort of shocking to learn about.
Before WW2, before FDR's policies, the proletariat in America were literally ready to have their own full-fledged uprising against the Robber-Barons.
In a way pretty much all the economic benefits and the New Deal itself was created because Washington was presented with a choice:
>"Give us our just due and rights as Workers or we're gonna fucking kill you all."

>>2747618
I mean I kind of fucking hate FDR for that TBH.

>>2706689

>russian

Post a source that we can actually read. I doubt the losses from the great depression were really that bad.

>>2747624
Let's be honest, the Post-War Boom was a direct result of these policies and wasn't all that bad of a time to be alive and American.