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you can just cancel debt and then expropriate expropriators. money is not real. bourgeois economics is fake.
>Bolshevik revolutionaries overthrew the government on October 24, 1917, subsequently creating the Soviet government. The amounts of payments in default were enormous.[3] Russian debt to Great Britain alone at the end of World War I was estimated at between 538 and 568 million pounds. The amount of debt to France was estimated at 3,573 million francs and Russian foreign debt to Japan equaled 147 million dollars.[citation needed]
The debt repudiation
>On February 8, 1918, the Soviet government repudiated all bonds issued by the Tsarist government when the Soviet of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) cancelled all previously issued Russian government debt. It stopped payment on foreign debt at the beginning of 1918 and declared that all debts contracted by the Russian Empire were cancelled, as well as the debts contracted by the Russian Provisional Government, so that the war could be continued from February to November 1917.[citation needed]
>At the same time, the Soviets decided to expropriate all assets of foreign nations in Russia. The Soviets also nationalized banks, lands, and industries. By repudiating the external debt, the Soviet government implemented the Petrograd Soviet’s decision of 1905.[4]
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>>2661269
What was his main malfunction?

>>2661260
ok but when they did this it made everyone attack them at once lol

>>2661885
and they beat them and then won ww2, thats how based the soviets were before dickriders took over

>>2661889
They compromised with the NEP and had to pay in gold or hard resources for the machinery and experts they needed to build the industry to win WW2.

>>2661889
They guys who won WW2 genocided the Boleshivks and collaborated with the west



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actually help bring about world communism or would it just lead to there being multiple little fascist states that cause lots of trouble?

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>>2659598
The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery whPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2659598
Robert! Behind you!

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>>2660465
Where!? WAT!!?!??!?!?

Balkanized if it remains imperialist and reactionary to the end.
If it becomes socialist in a revolution all reactionary separatists must be crushed.



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2660419
guys what if political alignment is not a function of identity

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>>2660634
The IRA does not represent the Irish people and the Black Panthers don't represent African Americans.

>>2660419
Blacks are fully aware that white liberals only use them as a vessel and don't really care about them. How many black people do you think wanted to defund the police? They knew many of them would die.

>You saw this during Occupy. There was a huge push to get Black people from the hood to join the movement and all this talk about how Occupy was “too white”.

This was done by the people who were paid to destroy OWS.
IDpol was made to derail the entire left form a class warfare to an anything else warfare. Race, gender, sexuality, it don't matter as long as wall street can make more profit.

>>2660634
I thought this was well-known?

>>2660419
>so why do Blacks need Palestinian saviours?
The Palestinian people have provided the blueprint on how to resist.

OF girls are now becoming Evangelicals, possibly due to being conditioned into patriarchal thinking that lead them to doing OF in the first place.



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communism and great man theory are perfectly compatible

history confirms this, the most successful communist movements that advanced history towards a communist future, the USSR and China, both did on the backs of great leaders, no one gives a fuck if great man theory or cults of personality are not materialist in a narrow marxist view, what matters is that it happened, all the theory and pure reasoning in the world is no match for historical fact.

why should I care what european marxists or anarchists have to say about the subject? you didn't do shit, you are potential man, all talk, the blueprint for a communist movement is already out there, will you embrace it or perish like a leftcom dog?
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>>2661036
it's the same reasoning that fascists use to "prove" communism is jewish. they ignore all the working people who united to struggle for their class and act like they're all mindless drones. even liberals sometimes believe that chinese people are a "slave race", "bug people" etc.

>>2661476
reminds me of how Newtown and Leibniz started developing calculus independently of eachother but around the same time

The whole point of marxism is that historical changes occur through inexorable processes of objective development. It's completely antithetical to the idea that any one individual holds all the keys. Hegel's (perhaps apocryphal) statement when he saw Napoleon ride through Jena as "the world-soul on horse-back" is completely refuted by dialectical materialism. The whole point is that the forces of production themselves contain the seed of development, which determines the overall shape of the political economy. You're a pseud.

Fuck this board

>>2661032
"Great leaders" isn't "great man theory" you dribbling retard.



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Why do revisionists and infantiles get so hung up on concentric construction? It's a practical way of understanding people's war. The party should not be separated from its organs and the people, it needs to be part of each of them in order to understand them. Letting the army be controlled by non-party members is a bad idea. The PLA needs to be working within the mass orgs and the people as well, in order to formulate strategy. The mass orgs are how the party and organisation diffuse into the people. You need to think of the whole of revolutionary society as a single whole in order to properly understand its contradictions.
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>>2660630
>>2660642
>>2660645
>that's obviously not what he meant,
different anon here, I also thought he meant that so you're going to have to clarify for both of us what the "obvious" meaning you got out of it was
>but that is also true,there is a point where food becomes so inexpensive that storing it is more expensive than producing
If food were instantly given to those who need it, so much less of it would need to be stored. But we produce for profit, not for use, and so facilities are required for hoarding commodities, so that they can be held back from consumption until someone with enough money expresses demand.
>so the only thing that happens is cutting cost and drastically reducing investement in the sector,raising the prices back up (since food is a commodity that is mandatory to be consumed)
interestingly, things which require long term storage, for fermentation, like aged cheese or wine, actually get more expensive the longer you store them, because the cost of the means of production used to store them, and the labor required to monitor their temperature, etc., go into the final product.

>>2660559
makes sense to me

>>2660655
I think you might be right, that all we can do is wait. But on your point about mass organizations, I just want to point out that these are all reform organizations. The argument that's being made then is that we need to get people rallied behind massive reform campaigns first because they won't accept the need for overthrow until then. My counter argument is: why not organize them into a reform campaign through voting, and let that fail? Isn't that the ultimate horizon for proving the total uselessness of the current bourgeois state for meeting our needs? I'm just very skeptical on unions, because while it's badass to rally everyone and shut things down, and there probably is an effect that has to inspire people since they're taking direct action, it very often fails to bring results and this leads to demoralization and demobilization rather than further radicalization. Unions are only able to exert pressure, and their ability to do so has only weakened with time as monopolies got larger and companies financialized and spread out internationally. Anyways I'm not a fan of deceiving people, and I think it's okay to say that we might need to pass through a period of seeing the failure of reform in order to reach mass revolutionary support, but the role of communists imo should be to prepare to struggle against the state. My reasoning is that there are diehard reformists already and they grow their own movement because they genuinely believe in it. And history shows that once a country gets too strong of a socialist movement, even if it utilizes the bourgeois state, the bourgeoisie flips the table and becomes fascist. We might be better positioned to do something about this if we aren't seen as the idiots that led them here, but as saviors who have been patiently waiting and around which an organized resistance can form. This is essentially what happened with the bolsheviks, though they also did do much union work. But I can't see what in their union work endowed them with leadership over the working class as the formula usually goes, rather I see they were armed and organized at the right time and were able to safeguard the semi-spontaneous insurrection underway. I think there is a difference between "what needs to happen before a revolution can occur" (one of these things is reform being disgraced and workers being organized in a mass way) and "wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2651432
This is actually a normal criticism which I agree with to an extent. In the modern day there needs to be leadership "depth" due to how easy it is for Imperialists to eliminate individuals. I certainly don't apply Jefetura to the conditions I live in. It did make a lot of sense for Peru though.

>>2660628
Ok, and? Maoists apply material analysis to the situation. If there are peasants, organise the peasants. If there aren't peasants then you don't.

>>2654590
>>2660559
>>2661070
This is just infantile communism, literally what Lenin was calling out a hundred years ago. If we didn't need fronts we wouldn't use them.

>>2658722
>>2658734
Deflecting from the fact Bordiga actually collaborated with fascists.



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One confusing aspect of nazism in the modern and Cold War era day is the hysterical avoidance of recognition of the primary objective of the original German nazi party, the total conquest and erasure of all non German european people. These people included but not limited to, polish people, anyone registering as Slavic, British people, Spaniards, Italians, non Germanic birds, Romani peoples, Romanians, Greeks, Turks depending on whether you consider turkey European, and a few others. This was explicitly outlined in the manifesto of the Nazi party mein kampf that genocide of these groups was the first priority of the German Nazi party, it was also implicitly outlined that the nazis saught to recreate at least on a more philosophical level the British empires expansion in the new world and in african, oceanic, and Asian colonies in European territory.

I’m amazed by how many misinterpretations or outright false claims surrounding the nazis objectives there are from myths of European unification to the genuine belief that genocide was not the first priority of the Nazi party.

Your first mistake is thinking that these people care at all for rationality or reason, instead of just picking an ideology that allows them to satiate their bloodlust.

>>2661832
> This was explicitly outlined in the manifesto of the Nazi party mein kampf
Mind dropping a quote?

“We Nazis … must secure for the German people the soil which is due them on this earth. Our forbears were not handed German soil from Heaven … and only the conquering sword will bring us territory in the future. … Only that foreign policy is correct which leads us to the point where, a century from now, 250,000,000 Germans live on this continent … The everlasting enemy of the German people is and remains France. …
When we speak today of new territory in Europe, fundamentally we can think only of Russia and her subjugated border states. Only a potent sword can bring lost soil back into a common Reich — protest can never win anything. War is the aim of every alliance which is not foolish and worthless”

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>>2661854
The whole chapter "Falsche Vorstellungen von "Germanisation"". Hitler disagrees with the assimilation policies of Austria and Prussia or even mixing of the other European or non-European races and wants to employ genocide instead and settle the lands with pure Germans.



 

if you are such a good marxist who is really well versed in the economy how come you are not making a lot of money? if marxism is truly the correct ideology that can see and predict trends in the economy and the way money moves it should help you earn bread, marx invested in the stock market after all.
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I lack funds to actually invest in stuff but I have made accurate predictions before.

>understanding macroeconómicos is magically going to change your class

>>2661758
>process-oriented thinkers and narrative skeptics. Empiricists and moralfags get wrecked.
>Empiricists
I know Marxists are against Empiricism, but I don't understand why. I thought empiricism was the basis of science. I've asked before and I keep getting told to read Lenin's Empirio-Criticsm. I don't get that one. It confuses me. Can I get an explanation for dumbasses? How is empiricism incompatible with "process oriented thinkers and narrative skeptics?"

>>2661853
Empiricism is like, show me the proof. Facts not feelings. It's not bad per se but what I mean by process oriented thinking is like "systems thinking." "Dialectics" is often treated too fancifully but it's really about how things emerge, develop, change. You need a feel for developing trends, while the problem with empiricism as applied to prediction markets is the data they're relying on is obsolete by the time the markets move or results in a resolution.

Also Shayne Coplan, the CEO, deceives people because he's, like, Polymarket ~is the most accurate thing ever.~ He says things like that. That is if you believe a market price is 1:1 with reality but that's how he suckers people into injecting liquidity into the markets, but most of them lose money to the sharps.

>>2661853
Thought about it a little more. It'd be inaccurate to say Marxists are against empiricism outright, I think? That'd be like saying Marxists are against facts and logic. But it's incomplete. A market can be irrational, or a price in a market can reflect certain biases that derive from social relations. Or really what we're talking about is just people hyping up a nothing burger but what they're really doing is engaging in financial speculation and then the whole bubble collapses.



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Is it possible to be a Christian and be a communist I know Huey Newton was a Christian and a communist, but do you think it’s possible to still be one? I know there’s a lot of Muslim communist like haz
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>>2640816
Endokomuna was thing in the Polish People's Republic

>>2646325
>USSR doesn't exist anymore
irrelevant relic

Not all religions are compatible with communism, but Christianism is certainly so.

Christ spent his time flipping tables in temples and telling the 1% they had a better chance of fitting a camel through a needle's eye than getting into heaven. The early church in Acts practiced literal communalism, selling everything they owned to make sure no one went hungry. Modern neoliberalism is just a shiny new version of the Mammon Christ warned about.

The critique of religion in Marx's bibliography is still absolutely correct, his target was the Church as a superstructure, the corrupt institutional arm used by the ruling class to pacify the workers. Ironically, Christ’s ministry was defined by materialist praxis, he didn't just offer platitudes he addressed the physical suffering, hunger, class exploitation and marginalized people.

What can be hard to reconcile is the non-violent nature of Jesus preachings with the revolution effort. But this is also true for any non-christians that think socialism can be achieved without a violent uprising, so I'll not extend myself here. The point is that the end goal of having a stateless society where needs are satisfied and work is no longer usurped is a common ground for both.

>>2641823
>You're thinking of God like a corrupt de.generate monarch

That's exactly how he is being described in the Bible which you apparently haven't read as a Christian. Doesn't help your case that the organized religions around Christianity turned into exactly that, corrupt degenerate monarchies.

>>2661855
The bible does not describe God as corrupt or degen it describes Him as the exact opposite please try again.



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When I was a kid I remember reading about rural agriculturalists in Mexico who after the signing of NAFTA found themselves priced out, for the production of corn I think, and forced into migration or poverty. I also recall hearing that the TPP (and apparently NAFTA), operated largely to enforce "corporate rights" as persons, or even more, in the imperial periphery, beyond the lowering of tariffs. In these details there can be nothing but opposition.

However, you hear of the increased growth of tomatoes, for example, in Mexico, because of their comparative advantage, and of impressive manufacturing sector in things like automobiles and even increasingly electronics. These are remarkable things. In the big picture as an internationalist you have to support them here, to the extent to which you thank trade for these things.

On the other side of the deal you read just as many stories today of towns wiped off the map by deindustrialization, and that even though productivity has increased employment for these high-value added has declined without end. This is the issue with trade in at least the Anglo-sphere, and once upon a time the former Soviet Union at the minimum: deindustrialization. I know it's likely somewhat controversial to discuss these two groups together, and it might be a mistake, but the inquiry stands.

I'd like to discuss what's the problem with deindustrialization, and how does it relate to trade?

The problem is that without either an industrial proletariat, a rural poor peasantry, or both Marxists have no path to power

Just watched an interesting video that argues that debating trade issues are mostly used to divide the proletariat into supporting or opposing different sections of the bourgeoisie. This doesn't really resonate however because changing the structural composition of capital can benefit the class.

bump.



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Drug user liberation advocates ought to hold a formal appearance instead of trying to look like hippies, all these demonstrations make the drug users look retarded in comparison to any uniformed opposition.
Groups of persons against drug prohibition ought to have formal wear such as suits or other types of uniforms to be able to combat the influence from formal authorities.
A crowd of casual clothed, hippie-wannabe, exhibitionist freaks cannot persuade a conservative populace towards siding with them.
For all public appearances I strongly advise from my thorough research in crowd psychology that any drug advocacy public appearances should be done in formal wear, modest uniforms or at the very least the extent to which a person can attend with their best most tidy clothing.
Do not go out looking like a junkie / outcast / freak. It will only harm you when recorded and the broader scene. It is completely counterintuitive to attempt to revive failed countercultural movements or attend with an "IDGAF" attitude.
Drug advocates are already ostracized by the lumpen and reactionary majorities, PR with everyday clothing will not serve to try to "normalize" or "blend in". When a prohibitionist dresses leisurely their opinion is taken in normally, when a drug advocate dresses leisurely they are always going to end up being ridiculed and degraded. It would not be as easy for the opposition to degrade persons or call them "degenerate, jobless, bums, junkies" and such when faced with a crowd of people in uniforms / suits and formal wear.
It is strongly advisory to look like a WASP in order to combat WASPs.
Study the strategies of the opposition. See how conservative content creators in public speeches have for years farmed millions if not billions of views off of the contrast of a "principled man versus gender freak abomination" - Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, TFP Student action etc.
If you don't hold a formal appearance in a public event odds are you will be turned into a lolcow for content farming, guaranteed if you do not behave yourself, speak loudly / obnoxiously, have a meltdown and/or are generally unprepared to speak on the subject of the event. To be able to counter any opposition on a subject of interest a person must learn their opposition by mentally pretending to be a part of it (as the saying goes, put yourself in their shoes) in order to predict all the possible arguments and traps they could lay out and how thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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or "do not burn american flags, bad optic" lol

>>2661242
It was a call to coopt what works and do away with what doesn't. No need to completely copy the opposition. Take a lesson from Franco's tidy blue uniforms that were and still are workers' clothing. The GDR's FDJ did the exact same thing, unforgettable iconic look.

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>>2661256
Picsrel

>>2661258
Also notice how even the GDR's flag continues use of the bourgeoisie Weimar Republic's tricolor incorporating it, the same way the practice of heraldry was coopted to make way for so called socialist heraldry which went onto break and change the tradition forever, butthurt heraldry hobbyists to this day express their anti-communism by mourning the appropriation of their sacred symbolism.

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>>2661262
Russophobes try to argue that their previous abomination of a flag for Luhansk looked better than the current flag of LNR, its so ridiculous from a subjective standpoint that the ideological bias comes out to show it champions inferior chauvinism (yeah it's terrible but at least its ours) over foreign success (yes it's better but we have to act like its worse because its theirs).
Its a complete loser mentality, people succeed a lot more when copying other people's success.



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