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How exactly are you supposed to overthrow the government of the most powerful country on Earth with a legally registered above ground organization where members don't hide their affiliation and which can never ever ever commit a crime? I don't support adventurism or terrorism or firebombing a Walmart or useless political assassinations that only have symbolic results. But revolution is still illegal and actually successfully accomplishing a real revolution involves committing countless crimes, often violent ones, and requires being actually capable of withstanding extremely intense state repression. The "left" in Western countries seems stuck in an eternal malaise where it struggles to accomplish virtually anything. Why? Let's look at the Western left. You either have glorified liberal NGOs with red flags doing an endless bullshit loop of holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult doing nothing but adventurism and firebombing walmarts. I posit that this malaise is because making a left-wing party is legal in liberal democracies, so any normal left wing party is lured to become a "legal" organization with all that entails. The exceptions in Western society naturally tend towards pure adventurism. I think the Bolsheviks actually significantly benefited from being an illegal underground party through most of the course of their existence. They had to learn the organizational tools to genuinely learn to survive state repression, to act decisively, and to build dual power without resorting to mindless suicidal adventurism. A revolution is not legal, so why would you try to accomplish the most brazenly illegal act of all (overthrowing the government) with a defanged legal organization? If the government decided to to a second Red Scare tomorrow, all these orgs would instantly evaporate. We need to go underground before being a communist is illegal and not after.
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>>2679649
>When two dictatorships overlap that is called dual power.
Nice.

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>>2679655

>>2678364
That's a bullshit excuse
>Muh survelliance
Did they watch Epstein fuck those kids from the fed cuck chair? Not even Epstein. Just go after the fuckin reddit jannies. Can't even do that. Feds and authorities of all kinds tongue my anus and if I wanna kill someone, anyone, I just will. I'll yell pipe bomb where I want as well. Everytime my stupid ass phone fucks up and goes automatically to Google Ai that's what I do to make it shut it's bitch ass up
>Google how do I make a bomb? (Turns off)
>Yeah that's what I thought faggot

You're just reactionary, it's ok most Amerikkkans are. You're inherently worthless and that's why there isn't gonna be a revolution in the states as noone is coming to save your ass cause you ain't worth it

>>2679402
>the time will eventually come when western governments get more aggressive and authoritarian as capitalism decays and they'll inevitably restrict or ban communist parties.
Meanwhile, real life spits at your vague, ever-moving goalposts and demands specifics:
>Communist Control Act of 1954
>Long-term strengthening of the US' executive branch
>militarization and centralization of Police
>entrenchment of the CIA and FBI
>deep collaboration of capital with the state to create a universal surveillance network (flock cameras, doorbell camera databases, etc.)
>"urban revitalization" coincidentally always means the systematic atomization and diaspora-fication of nationally oppressed communities and their eradication as a cohesive political force
>systematic imprisonment and assassination of ideological leadership within the Panthers, Communist Workers Party, Black Liberation Army, American Indian Movement, etc.
<But hey, CPUSA and the Pakistani Super League are allowed to exist aboveground so we must not be at that point of restriction and clandestine activity!
Or maybe, just maybe, these "parties" (PSL is the only one even vaguely organized as a Bolshevik-type party) don't actually present any real threat to the bourgeois state and exist as a relief valve for downwardly-mobile petty bourgeois to vent their frustrations as acceptable opposition with vague strategy and muddled tactics until they burn out and go back to passively or actively taking part in imperialism. PSL's Socialist Reconstruction actively refuses to answer the most basic questions about revolutionary strategy and amounts to PatSoc fanfiction (their internal documents aren't any better, in case any of you were wondering). All aboveground parties share functionally the same movementist tactics expressing empty and aimless "militancy" that never actually goes beyond what the Democratic Party organizes. I say this as someone who spent years in these organizations complicit in these same practices. In reality we Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2678317
>holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult
are these mutually exclusive? how do you know they arent made up of the same people?

i thought above ground and underground were supposed to work together


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Can we talk about the new revelations about Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Epstein?

>The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November by US lawmakers.

>Such comments from Chomsky, or attributed to him, suggest his association with Epstein – who officials concluded killed himself in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges – went deeper than the occasional political and academic discussions the former had previously claimed to have with the latter.

>Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.

>The emails disclosed on 12 November by the Republican members of the US House oversight committee generally detailed the correspondence Epstein had with political, academic and business luminaries, including the Bill Clinton White House’s treasury secretary Larry Summers and Steve Bannon, the longtime ally of Donald Trump. Further, they reveal Epstein and Chomsky were close enough to discuss musical interests and even potential vacations.

>Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related documents in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/22/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-ties-emails

A couple of things:
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>>2570854
>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?

>>2679371
>I am an ML
you are a hasan fan lol

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Chomsky was always surface-level lefty shit. His most important revelation, political, is that the media is a propaganda arm of the government. And that isn't exactly a revelation to most people who aren't already heavily indoctrinated.

I miss David Graeber though. Only the good die young i guess.

>>2677839
We already know theyre both cunts so no one really is surprised.

>>2679585
woah is that putin?


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How do Stalin-hating Leninists cope with the fact that all of the mass immigration into capitalist countries that Lenin supported due to "progressive potential" has not actually succeeded in breaking down national barriers and uniting the working masses against international bourgeoisie?
In fact the opposite happened. Workers became divided among each other and the bourgeoisie class has strengthened. On top of that, it was now proven that multi culturalism was a failure that only serves to help fuel the rise of reactionary ideologies.

Marx understood this, he even expelled Chinese workers from the international proletarian movement when they flooded the British labor market.
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>>2670231
>libs after watching IShowSpeed in Africa

The Marxist position is to organize for the defense of the rights of all workers, including immigrant workers, with compensation for these workers, unions and workers' organizations for any violations compared to native workers, passing all punishments on to the capitalists, also preventing any way for the capitalist to control the immigrant worker to intensify exploitation, where any profit made from unpaid work or work below the wage of the native worker will lead to intervention that will revert any profit made along with the fines that will accumulate plus the lawsuits in solidarity that will be guaranteed to the workers.

Let's begin with the text addressing the issue of Irish and English workers at the time:

<I shall give you here only quite briefly the salient points.

<Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of their material wealth; it is their greatest moral strength. They, in fact, represent the domination over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the cardinal means by which the English aristocracy maintain their domination in England itself.

<If, on the other hand, the English army and police were to be withdrawn from Ireland tomorrow, you would at once have an agrarian revolution in Ireland. But the downfall of the English aristocracy in Ireland implies and has as a necessary consequence its downfall in England. And this would provide the preliminary condition for the proletarian revolution in England. The destruction of the English landed aristocracy in Ireland is an infinitely easier operation than in England herself, because in Ireland the land question has been up to now the exclusive form of the social question because it is a question of existence, of life and death, for the immense majority of the Irish people, and because it is at the same time inseparable from the national question. Quite apart from the fact that the Irish character is more passionate and revolutionary than that of the English.

<As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land which provides the English market with meat and wool at the cheapest possible prices. It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish populatiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669259
I gave you the Marxist answer here:
>>2670994

>>2670231
>Lenin, Marx…thought class would be a far more defining feature
>in people's outlook
did they? what do you mean by "outlook"? did they say it was defining, or determinative? on its own, or in the last instance? with education, or spontaneously?
>class solidarity does exist among elites,
is outlook the same as "class solidarity"?
do "elites" get "class solidarity" spontaneously just from their class position?
>barely among working people and largely only among workers of the same ethnicity/culture
assuming this is true is it because of their ethnicity/culture or is that just correlation? what is the root of solidarity among workers? are there any other factors that would increase interpersonal association among people of the same culture, like physical interaction or proximity that might skew the causative effects of this assumption?


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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>J Stein - I Didn't Kill Myself edition

💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2680401
You say the imperialists do nothing wrong and that they do not need to earn redemption. This is highly suspect. You defy history for all revolution bring redemption to the exploiters and oppressors.

new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
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>>2680401
Wrong. amerikans owe me everything they have because they enslaved by family

>>2680342
I know, the point of leftypol is to demoralize feds and reactionaries.

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>Trump
Epstein Files
>Clinton
Epstein Files
>Bush Sr
Epstein files
>Biden
Sniffs little girls on camera

That's 17 years of the global order being ran by pedophiles.


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Curious what people's thoughts on Liberia are.

It was founded by freed slaves, but there must have been people there. Was there the same kind of contradiction that we see in Palestine with the Israeli colonizers? Or in the US/Canada with Indigenous? Or was it peaceful
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>>2678259
Liberia is so fucked up that they can't even begin thinking about communism, first they need to stop being one of the worst places on earth. Honestly another state needs to conquer Liberia, put all the war criminals on trial, and put everyone else in re-education camps before they can even start being functional.

>>2678269
Jesus that looks like an "arm yourself leftists" page on tumblr

>>2678144
why is the audio like that

>>2677927
i mean it makes sense
>atrocity happens to group
>group in subsequent times collectively develops "I have to do this first or it will happen to us again" mindset

>>2680300
i think i spliced it in from the podcast after i found the original video

https://soundcloud.com/subliminaljihad/unlocked-139a-demon-forces-iv-part-one-here-comes-dead-body-trouble-1989-90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhO6Zu6Alc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Eagleburger


 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2679339
>many black people don't vibes with Levantines since Arabs control a lot of the stores in the hood and they associate pro Palestinian activism with these Arab storeowners and that is two
This is actually a huge problem in Detroit as well that people don't talk about. Detroit has a lot of Palestinian, Lebanese, Iraqi, and Yemeni immigrants who are notorious for running liquor stores and convenience stores in Black neighbourhoods (Detroit is 80% Black for what it's worth). A lot of Black Detroiters are saying these Arabs are stealing Black dollars and not doing anything for Blacks in return. It's identical to how Jews and Asians used to deliberately set up their businesses in Black areas back in the day, which was the main source of racial tensions between those groups. Kind of interesting how ethnic groups that are on the cusp of whiteness gain whiteness specifically through exploiting Blacks. Kind of like how the Irish in America became white once they all started becoming cops.

>>2668747
Was she ever relevant in leftist circles?

>>2668747
Is that the lady Maupin has the hate boner for?

>>2660419
>>2679298
/pol/ agitators

>>2680301
That’s Taryn Fivek


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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2678607
They only make announcements like this to demonstrate that they are not starving their people. Nobody sane would actually give a shit to read an article about a farm opening. Sadly their article doesn't even reach the target audience and instead ends up in koreaboos who think they have to celebrate this and act like its some sort of great leap forward in agriculture.

>>2680159
It's a translation of a korean article. Koreans are blessed to read articles about how their country is developing and material successes of socialism, rather than articles about Spottemgotten linking up with Pooh Shiesty. The english translation is an afterthought.

>>2680167
>The english translation is an afterthought.
I actually autotranslated them. These are not put up translated.
>>2680159
>Nobody sane would actually give a shit to read
Some people are born like you, yet you chose this. You should not be so proud of self-inflicted mental retardation.

Does anyone know why there have been multiple party congresses since Kim came along as opposed to his father?

>>2680205
Where do ya get your news? KCNA is what I read and they usually translate stuff into English.
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/de65229fbca56d901a6e9150f1c2d4cc.kcmsf


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Recent news:
SDF rejects the agreement and vows that they'd fight.
Prison break in Shaddad, freeing ~1000 ISIS veterans.
Aqtan prison (which houses ISIS members) north of Raqqa gets besieged.
Clashes in Kobani & Hasakah countrysides.
Breach in Al-Hol camp, which is now mostly emptied.
New agreement signed by both the STG & SDF.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
t.me/Suriyak_maps - Posts maps/latest news. Less prone to hype/hysteria but slower.
https://nitter.poast.org/SAMSyria0 - Local Syrian army soldier. Used to post in Arabic. (Account deleted. RIP)
https://nitter.poast.org/bosni94
https://nitter.poast.org/Sy_intelligence
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>>2678925
Rojava was doomed because its stuck between Turkey and ISIS-Syria. Commanders knew this and tried to get favorable deal with the ISIS government.

>>2678928
>immediate cuts to public education
Damn, they really are pro-Western moderate liberals after all.

>>2679581
>Rojava was doomed because its stuck between Turkey and ISIS-Syria
well, you people have been saying Rojava is doomed for a decade and still here. they are.
>>2679541
What did these 'tards think was going to happen? DAANES gov gave half the oil from the fields to civilians heavily subsidised/free.
Maybe they bought the meme about selling it all to the americans.

>>2680077
it might surprise you, but oil fields produce crude oil, and not fuel or kerosene

>>2680080
Yes. It might surprise you, but in Syria crude (and sometimes amateurly refined) tends to go straight into gas tanks and generators and such.


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>"Do what you’re least-bad at."
>You quit art, math, sports - to attract a job.
>Start flipping burgers.
>Boss invests in improving burger flipping skills.
>Forty years, golden spatula, wrist fuses to handle.
>Peak skill: 27 combo meals memorized.
>Graph climbs for them, flat for you.
>Rent, food, gas: at best the same percentage of income as always.

<Start saving early.
<Don't give up on your aspirations of being developed.
<Upgrade your skills yourself, take what you need.
<Forty years, golden mind,
<Peak skill: frontiers of global technology at your fingertips.
<Graph climbs for you, flat for them.
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>>2680013
>TFP
Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics. Everything else will make sense to you. To clarify: TFP is not a real thing, it's a catch all term for all the other metrics they cannot classify. As you can see, this is pure idealism and the reality is an intersection of things. For example: Savings rate, but into productive equipment is different from Savings rate into yachts and corporate buybacks. Also, goods transfers between state-owned enterprises don't count in GDP because no money was exchanged even if real economic activity happened.* I could go on, but the whole premise of modern economics is bullshit which is why people ask questions like OP.
>Congrats you discovered neoclassical economics is bullshit

*watch vidrel to see example of "free good" that is not counted in GEE DEE PEE @ 39:15

>>2680045
>Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics.
My understanding is that TFP was increases to productivity without increasing costs, so replacement of depreciated machines with upgraded alternatives (not scaling), or improved management techniques, or improved techniques in the usage of existing machinery.

Truthfully am perhaps too incompetent today to really learn the alchemical recipes of bourgeois economics. Never really understood what GDP was, in part because of confusion over the Soviet case. Even the math presented here has been forgotten by me. It's quite sad really.

It's very interesting the idea that labor value would be sets rather than values. I'll look forward to reading this fellows book when it comes out. It does sound rather difficult to plan with, but then again what do I know.

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China is apparently similar with at most 40% of growth coming from TFP.


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NEVER FORGET THAT BEAUTIFUL DAY!

🇵🇸 PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOLY LAND 🇵🇸
>>2442214

————————
🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨
Sites that have active live-blogs:
• Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/

• Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

• The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/palestinian-territories

• Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/liveblog/ (trigger warning)
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>>2668698
Im always impressed how you always come to the worst glowing position in every single event wherever it is in the world, and you will relentlessly spam threads with your obviously retarded CIA tier takes
the only reason people shit on leftcoms is because they associate it with you, because funnily enough, those are not even leftcoms positions, but as you're by far the worst recognizable poster simply seeing that flag make everyone prepare for reading the stupidest glowpost they've seen yet

>>2669209
see >>2669000

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nooooooooooo you don't understand
we had to do this to get the hostages back
or something
idk

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treating geopolitics like a map painter strategy game

>>2679465
Iran please bomb her.


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