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Bukharin was one of the best bolsheviks who played a major role during the October revolution and was admired by Lenin. He was also a friend of Stalin.
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>>2781771
Hitler and Himmler were convinced, but pretty much everyone else remained cautious. It was the performance in the Winter War that persuaded them to Invade. The fact that they gradually adjusted their racial policies to allow Slavs and Spaniards to fight alongside them shows that those views were flexible. Even if we dismiss their ideology today despite considering the Soviets as ‘subhuman,’ they still recognized that the Soviets had vast manpower and resource and Soviet military thinkers were highly regarded even by the most devoted Nazi officers. You’re right that something could have led them to war, but it would never be an easy victory and they wouldn’t have risked it.

>Hitler had already issued a secret directive on the eventual attempts to invade the Soviet Union.[87][89] He had not yet abandoned the possibility of other political outcomes and still talked of a "great worldwide coalition that stretched from Yokohama to Spain", but he had resolved to not give up the Balkans.[90]

>Meanwhile, the Soviets immediately summoned the Bulgarian ambassador to the Foreign Ministry and stated that the Soviets needed to do a deal with the Bulgarians before they joined the Axis and that Germany was attempting to make them a puppet state.[90] The Bulgarians turned down the offer and leaked it to Germany.[90] Hitler still hoped to dissuade Stalin from giving guarantees to Bulgaria if the Bosporus issue could be solved, and he pressed the Bulgarian ambassador that the Soviets could be persuaded against resistance if the Bulgarians joined the pact, and he warned about the horrors of Soviet occupation.[90]
>The Soviets had meanwhile produced the biggest surprise. In an unannounced November 25 visit in Sofia, the Soviets told Bulgarian Prime Minister Bogdan Filov that if Bulgaria permitted transfer access to Soviet troops, the Soviets were prepared to drop their objections to Bulgaria's entry into the Axis, and most surprisingly, the Soviets stated that it likely would not be an issue, as it would "very probably, almost certainly" lead to the Soviets' own entry into the Axis.[91] The stunned Filov stated that it required further contemplation.[91] The Soviet negotiators had concluded that the Bulgarian government "is already committed to Germany to the hilt".[Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2782127
>Hitler and Himmler were convinced, but pretty much everyone else remained cautious.
The German military staff was entirely unanimous in their agreement to invade the USSR. Remember, the Nazis only started to replace the military leadership with their own guys after the Battle for Moscow, in 1941 these are the same generals of the Weimar government, of the high Prussian aristocracy, in the same military families some going back even to Frederick the Great (both Hitler and Frederick had a Manstein and a Seydlitz for example). These generals were extremely reserved about, say, the invasion of France or especially the invasion of Czechoslovakia, but there was, again, zero opposition amongst them to the Soviet invasion.

>>2778496
yeah man, IT and cybernetics cost more than a fucking vanity project. So costly, just ignore its literally the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FUCKING DEVELOPMENT FOR SOCIALISM TO TAKE FUCKING PLACE AND WHEN THE IT REVOLUTION OCCURED, IT LITERALLY INCREASED GDP 10x OVER.
Stop justifying this stupid fucking bullshit. Destroying Soviet cybernetics was the most utterly retarded shit imaginable and done entirely to keep power within the Ministry of Finance and deligtimize the Central Statistics Bureau.

>>2782205
>Destroying Soviet cybernetics
Gosplan was not cybernetics.
I wonder if the Soviet Economy had any sort of development in its quantity of products between NEP and in the 1960s.

>>2781652
Stalin derangement syndrome



 

Have marxist-leninists learned anything from the failures and dissolutions of 90% of marxist leninist states in the 20th century?
Or do they still just seethe at trotsky while sucking off stalins rotten corpse?
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>>2774793
Your conception of history is flat, whiggish and unscientific. Class struggle didn't go anywhere, and it moves in spirals. First a city (Paris Commune); then we "lost", supposedly? Then the third half of the globe (1950s); then we "lost", supposedly? Now the world. What % of the world population earns their income from wages today? Versus what in the 1890s?
>>2774801
No, MZT was replaced with reform and opening up. The revisionist CPC today actively censors and distorts its depiction of MZT and Marxism-Leninism overall, as well as significant historical periods of their own country's modern history, in a desperate attempt to try to secure their corrosive bureaucrat-monopoly capitalist line. It will not work and they will either hand it over to the reactionary nationalists (when they find the mechanism of allied national capitalist forces stable enough) or be overthrown by the revolutionary chinese proletariat ready to retake control. Seeing the movements in the international system right now, arrows point to the middle of the century being a catastrophic / excellent event. The revisionist clique relatedly will try their best to to stabilize capitalism with lies about "[communism in x decades]" during this time. It will be met with a reawakened world not willing to compromise with reactionary classes. You are partially correct on the point of Gonzaloist "Maoism". I recommend you read this thread: >>2767836

>>2773550
The USSR didn't have a "deep state" until after the demise of Lenin. He was a true believer in the revolution through and through.

>>2774764

MaoAnon and Jucheposters are animalistic anti-social lumpens who belong in supermax prison.

>>2774855
If by deep state you mean unelected officials, you're wrong. And if you mean a bureaucracy, Lenin himself complained about bureaucracy forming already.

Ironically, one of the biggest problems with the modern Left and so many Marxists, is the ability to engage in synthesis, one extreme or the other, no inbetween.
The USSR, Maoist period, Deng etc should all be seen as learning experiences, what worked, what didn't work. The USSR in my opinion should be looked at extremely critically from day one of it's foundation, because the USSR is in the running for arguably being the most pathetic, loser fucking country in history. Nazi Germany went down fighting, Soviet leadership cucked out and sucked Capitalist cock live on TV in fucking commercials.
The USSR made massive gains at time, Lenin was a genius, but it's clear the seeds and mistakes of the USSR were planted in it's foundation, how the CPSU was set up etc. Stalin was a needed strongman, but he shouldn't have been needed, institutionally the USSR should have been Communist but it never was, the moment Stalin Croaked it became a fight between self-interested Shitlibs and Russian Nationalists. A decade after Stalin's death Soviet economic system was functionally eliminated and the Nomenklatura were turned into a crypto-Capitalist class.
The big lessons from China for me, is how the Cultural Revolution spiraled out of control. The Cultural Revolution is WHY China did not turn out like the USSR, it was needed to smash the emerging nomenklatura and keep the party adhering to mass line, but large factions of the Revolution turned to complete nihlism, the type you see in the West today, where they went around smashing shit and destroying peoples lives, culture, homes etc just out of pathetic edgy teenage spite, they shit on all China's great cultural, historical etc achievements. Mao himself is one of the great classic Chinese poets, yet according to the Radical Red Guard, classical poetry was shit and bougious and anyone doing it should be killed.
You see that with shit like the 1619 project, the rampant leftist oikophobia, tearing down statues of churchill, lincoln and other national features today. You will never, EVER gain support through rampant cultural self-hating nihlism, but the left refuses to learn this lesson from the Cultural Revolution. They ignore the parts of the Cultural Revolution that were phenomenal and copy paste the parts where Mao himself had to send in the PLA to smash skulls of dipshit sociopathic students.



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They are doing much worse things now and Poland isn't to blame. Neither is Soviet Union.
Now Poland has the ability to move aborad, travel-wise and still Poland is blackmailed by those who have a grudge against Poland for March 68.
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>>2776026
poniatowski was already a pawn of muscovites, he only became king because of foreign intervention
by the time of targowica plc was already cooked

>>2776046
trve. maybe bordiga was right about demokkkrakkky

>>2771924
Endeks we won

anyone?



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Thread №2

Переможный, переговорный, пятнадцатотравневый.

Продолжаем трястись и ждать мобку.
Лолируем с красных фашистов, пыняславов и чучхеисов - вместе.
Переезжаем в тюмень, так как там нефтяная мекка и все жрут черную икру поварешками.
Левый поворот путина будет… надо только подождать… еще лет двадцать.
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>>2763064
Hot take:Browderism actually was the closest successful attempt that Americans could had towards socialism at the time and would have won even more achievements greater if FDR-Wallace continued and not died with FDR in the grave

О-о-о, пидорас проснулся.

>>2277345
>one nation, under kim, indivisible, with surveillance and behavior control for all

>>2781374
LIBSHIT LIBSHIT LIBSHIT LIBSHIT LIBSHIT LIBSHIT

>>2780288
Пришли в цирк посмеяться с долбоебов-сектантов, например?



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Were the fashies triggered by him depicting them accurately in Salo, therefore they went out of their way to prove him right by abducting, torturing, and murdering him? Or was he just a libtard bourgeois film maker making exploitative torture porn and got killed completely randomly?

Interested in what y'alls various takes are.
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>>2781811
Banal crocodile tears, the "western left" as any left (the left hand of capital) currently is, on the contrary, obsessed with the actionist dictum of "doing things" solely for their sake, an exalted fascist virtue.

>>2781860
>Mosley
>senior role at IDF linked Palantir
Lmao

But seriously, are we arguing now that fascism is when you have ancestors who were in the fascist party?

>>2781871
You do know what he meant by that? He wasn’t some insane blood purist like the Nazis, but he intended to wipe out everyone’s in the Mediterranean culture and have them all LARP as Romans.

>>2781645
I'm a pederast from AES

>>2781895
Yeah i hate Thiel and all the silicon valley homunculus but they're in the tradition of randian cosmopolitan robber barrons, they have hardly anything in common with recognisable facsism unless you define it at being rich.



 

Campaigners demand government cancel South East Water's contract after bosses admit to failings
Tunbridge Wells suffered a sustained outage in November and December before thousands of properties across Kent and Sussex saw their supply disrupted in January. Many people were left without drinking water for days, unable to shower or bathe and could not flush their toilets, while a number of schools were forced to close.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/campaigners-demand-government-cancel-south-east-waters-contract-after-bosses-admit-failings

Greek police accused of using migrant ‘mercenaries’ in violent pushbacks at Turkish border
These men, often themselves arrested after irregularly crossing into Greece, were allegedly pressured into collaborating with the police in exchange for temporary protection from deportation or other benefits. Testimonies gathered by journalists describe a pattern of systematic violence and humiliation.
https://www.newarab.com/news/greek-police-accused-using-migrant-mercenaries-pushbacks

Italy suspends defence agreement with Israel
Approved by Israel in 2006, the agreement is renewed automatically every five years. It calls for cooperation across defence industries, education and training of military personnel, research and development, and information technology. Meloni’s right-wing government has been one of Israel’s closest allies in Europe, but in recent weeks, it has criticised Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/14/italian-suspends-defence-agreement-with-israel
https://archive.ph/lmbMl

Meta 'financially enabling' Israeli settler violence against Palestinians, report says
According to the 7amleh, the Arab Center for the Advancement of Social Media, Meta has allowed settler-affiliated accounts and extremist media ouPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Dozens detained in New York City protest over US arms sales to Israel
Dozens of protesters were detained by police in New York City on Monday during demonstrations calling for the blocking ​of arms sales to Israel and an end to U.S. ‌military support for its ally. Demonstrators included antiwar group Jewish Voice for Peace, which said around 90 people were detained. Among those detained was whistleblower Chelsea Manning, a former ​U.S. Army soldier and WikiLeaks source.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/dozens-detained-new-york-city-protest-over-us-arms-sales-israel-2026-04-14/

GOP campaigns go all-in on AI — Dems not so much
The White House's digital shop sets the tone for the GOP's aggressive approach, firing off AI-generated social media posts boosting Trump and blasting his critics. The National Republican Senatorial Committee is using AI to create ads, analyze data and identify new small donors, according to an NRSC spokesperson.
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/14/republicans-ai-campaigns-democrats-2026
https://archive.ph/G59yd

United Airlines CEO reportedly pitched merger with American, sparking competition fears
Scott Kirby, who leads United, raised the prospect during an encounter with the US president in late February, Reuters reported, citing two unnamed sources. Such a deal would overhaul the global air travel industry – and would likely face intense competition scrutiny.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/apr/14/united-airlines-merger-american-airlines

Ohio’s nursing homes are dumping patients at homeless shelters
A woman using a walker had shown up, incontinent and carrying “a large bag of medications.” She was diabetic, managing a tibia fracture and alcohol-related dementia, and she was “dumped” at the shelter, according to federal inspectors.
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Hungary’s Fake “Democratic” Revolution — From Orbán’s Mafia to Péter Magyar’s Neoliberal Circus
The international liberal commentariat is celebrating again. Viktor Orbán, the long-reigning right-wing strongman of Hungary, has been defeated in the April 2026 elections by Péter Magyar, a slick, photogenic opposition leader who stormed to power in a matter of months. Headlines scream “democracy wins,” “Orbánism is over,” and “a new dawn for Europe.” Don’t believe a word of it. This is not a victory for the left, for working people, or for any genuine progressive force. It was a squalid palace coup within Hungary’s corrupt political elite — a transfer of power from one faction of the ruling class to another, dressed up as a heroic popular uprising. The Hungarian people did not win. They simply exchanged one set of oligarchs for another.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/04/14/hungarys-fake-democratic-revolution-from-orbans-mafia-to-peter-magyars-neoliberal-circus/

ALPRs and Minneapolis’ Growing Discriminatory Surveillance Dragnet
In Minneapolis, like in other cities across the United States, cameras cover the tops of light poles like barnacles revealed by a low tide. Motorists are no stranger to their growing ubiquity and mostly pay no mind to them as if they’re another natural part of the urban ecosystem, no different than all of the cigarette butts and wrappers on the street. In the last several years, however, a new apex predator of surveillance has emerged largely unnoticed. The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) and private businesses have been installing Automatic License Plate Readers (ALPRs) at numerous locations, little cameras perched in discreet locations like ugly, bald-headed vultures that make CCTV cameras seem archaic in comparison. ALPRs, as the name suggests, automatically read license plates, often with the help of artificial intelligence, and store that data for later without the need for any human eyes. There’s not much limiting them to plate numbers, though: they’re able to recognize the vehicle itself by color, scratches and even cargo. MPD’s ALPR cameras alone, set up at 30 intersections in the city, collected data at all hours every single day on more than 31 million vehicles in thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

Within the West the left has a common circular conversation: We need to organize, we need a movement independent of liberal political parties, we need independent working class power. The common response: there's no sufficient labor movement, people are too atomized, they no longer live and work in proximity in ways that makes them easily reachable, existing platforms prevent dissemination of our message, etc.

What if the people need to come together to be reached, and what if they get what they need for their liberation, and what they are missing in their lives under capitalism such as community aid and belonging, in a church?

Consider the conditions under which Christianity arose. The older religions including Greco-Roman pantheon worship had declined. They had by no means lost their popularity completely but the awe of the primal forces of nature and the fatalistic philosophical personification and deification of aspects of human behavior no longer spoke as effectively to the increasingly urban masses where the bronze age conditions that inspired the religion in the first place were increasingly remote and abstract. Major rituals and festival were increasingly done by rote or performatively by elites for their political careers, or for the celebrations more than the meaning beneath them. Christianity filled that void, the thought of taking on the sins and failures and brutality of humanity from the top down and dying to absolve the human soul, the thought of an all encompassing and compassionate architecture to the universe and their place in it gave people more awe than witnessing a lightning storm or an earthquake.

We all know how things went since, there's more to criticize about Christianity's history than we have time to go over. But now we find ourselves once again in similar conditions for something new. Religious membership is declining in the west, the remaining membership are either increasingly secularized and bourgeois or increasingly hyper-reactionary or lumpen. These institutions are not able to speak to the problems of the day or any solution for them on a theological or material basis. If the old church was the theological logic of feudalism to come in the shadow of rome, if protestantism was the theological logic of capitalism to come in the shadow of feudalism, then something new whether christian or something distinct can be the theological logic of what is to come after capitalism and more people Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2781171
> why did no atheist here ever question the historicity of Jesus, the gospels or the authorship of the Bible, despite ample room to do so?

>And I do think that’s the big issue overall: In actual leftist spaces, few are willing to take on Christian theology.


christian theology and the historicity of jesus are two different questions. there probably is a historical figure who became the basis for early christianity. whether he even closely resembles the jesus of the four gospels (written between 70 and 150 CE) is a different question entirely. The fringe hypothesis of Caesar's Messiah says that the gospels were fabricated by Titus and Josephus to create a pacifistic form of Judaism that would submit to Rome. While that is possible the evidence is circumstantial, and even if it were true, it is not incompatible with a historical Jesus who they based their fabricated religion around. Imagine if a few hundred years from now a religion sprung up around some half-remembered political martyr from the 20th century. The question of a historical Jesus isn't a question of whether the character Jesus existed but whether that character was based on a forgotten real person or not.

>>2781171
>That goes for both idpol-type stuff and economic policy. Like, the Bible never calls for property abolition ever, not even in the passages liberation theologians use as talking points
i'm with you on most of this post but I gotta say Acts 4:32 comes pretty close
<All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

>>2781184
>>2781184

The glaring issue is that this does go against the commandment on not coveting for other’s goods as well as the prohibition of theft that rests on the notion of private property.

Honestly, this cuts into what I think is the crux of the issue: Most socialist and capitalist Christians often overlook the fact that Christianity, at the end of the day, is a pre-modern religion that began as a bunch of multiple and often conflicting sects before being consolidated (albeit incomplete) into the Catholic Church, and as such the Bible doesn’t have an economic theory that neatly fits into either capitalism or communism/socialism since both capitalist and socialist economic theories arose as products of modernity, although to be fair modernity in itself is heavily influenced by Christianity via either acceptance or rejection of it.

Overall, while I do think Christianity is closer to socialism than the free-market dogmatism that characterises right-libertarian nutjobs, Christianity doesn’t exactly affirm socialism either.

Anyway, please do read the following article for I think it provides good counter-rebuttals to many of the liberation theology arguments as it concerns economics, and does provide some interesting takes for all sides of this thread’s debate: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2016/05/30/bible-private-property/

>>2780621
not really. most atheism is entirely passive. you wouldn't say that sitting on the couch is a sport.
you're on much stronger ground when you recognize that many "non-religious" things (which both religious and non-religious people take part in) are basically ersatz religions without the supernatural nonsense: politics, fandoms, etc.

and, for religious people in the first world, the substitute is often clearly stronger than the "real deal" (e.g. non-zero numbers of US christians would spurn a returning Christ if he got on the wrong side of Donald J. Trump.)

>>2780621
>"Atheism" is a religion no matter how much it tries to reject
this accusation is better reseved for civic religions like confucianism or american civic religion, or the roman cult of the emperor. vid highly related btw
>>2781201
>you're on much stronger ground when you recognize that many "non-religious" things (which both religious and non-religious people take part in) are basically ersatz religions without the supernatural nonsense: politics, fandoms, etc.
this



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The American 'working class' produce zero surplus value through their net nonproductive labor and physically cannot sustain themselves due to deindustrialization. Each and every single lumpen settler owes more than forty trillion in exports to repay their debt to the rest of the planet and survives off the surplus labor of non-americans from Berlin to Siberia. Even ignoring the countless acts of terrorism committed by the burgereich, the consumerism of treats must end. As the pedotariat of epsteinland must work for several years and export to maybe repay even 30 percent of what occupied turtle island owes to the non-american surplus value producing global proletariat.

Any strawman that does not address the largest trade deficit that will ever exist shall be ignored.
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>>2741359
>Give back the surplus value
Why are you begging the ruling class to overthrow itself? Haven't you read your own theorists?

>>2741449
Thank goodness for me and my class that it takes a lot of effort to listen to you and zero effort to do more moralist revenge fantasy shitposting that divides the class I exploit!

>>2778286
Why would they work hard for free? Have you learned nothing?

>>2741387
that's not how surplus value works lol. Surplus value isn't when you make physical goods. marx considered service workers productive workers. but also proletariat =/= productive worker. teachers, home servants, accountants are all non productive but would definitely still be working class.

Also you third worldists never can respond to the fact that its arguably the most well off and comfortable who revolt, usually after a disturbance in their lifestyle. The russian revolution was arguably started by the petrogad metalworkers, who were unionized and were some of the highest earners and most comfortable workers in all of russia. Similarly the french revolution was started by the bourgeosie, not the starving peasants, and the american revolution was started by the colonial elite, not the slaves or poor farmers

>>2782035
also the slave mode of production of late european antiquity wasn't overthrown by the slaves, but gradually reformed away by the lords of manorial estates in the aftermath of the collapse of the roman empire and the carving up of the latifundia



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Is there something positive about the Zionist entity from a historical point of view? I mean there are a lot of episodes in history where one could could call evil (the mongols, Nazism etc') but there were still some positive things about these events. However this could not be said for the Zionist entity. It's completely parasitic and contributed nothing to mankind (inb4 instant messaging and other Israeli startup "inventions").
Has there something like this in history?
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>>2777018
>revived

They didn't revive shit, they basically just took Yiddish and adjusted it to give it a more "Middle Eastern" flavor. Actual Hebrew is deader than the dodo.

>>2776947
The only thing that can be said is that they accelerated the decline of the united states. Otherwise no, they’re actually just fucking cancer. Even their scientific achievements could have been done better elsewhere.

>>2776947
>Is there something positive about the Zionist entity from a historical point of view?
I'd reframe it from "something positive" to "something rational" for Jews to get into Zionism. That doesn't justify it. Like you might say the attraction of Jews to Zionism substituted for socialism when that was just not working out in the 20th century, because a lot of the Jewish communists died in the Holocaust, and the Soviet Union by the 1950s/1960s really wasn't as great for them as people make it out to have been. Also beware of Stalinists who get into a bad habit of automatically justifying whatever happens in history as historical necessity so things unfold in ways they "should."

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They do shit like this, yet if you say anything bad about God's Chosen People you still get instabanned and censored from this site.

>>2776947
they produce a lot of pharmaceuticals? Idk, I'm at a loss.



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The day they showed weakness and failed to defend their Muslim brothers it was the day judeochristian whites began with a series of oppressions and atrocities such as the genocide of circassians, the bosnian genocide, the genocide of balkan muslims, zionism (arab genocide), the war on """"terror"""" by judeochristians responsible for the holocaust of 10 million Muslims and the displacement of 38 millions, etc and etc…

All this horror will end when the Ummah unites once again, destroy Israel, build nukes and point them at every single judeochristian european and american capital

Karl Marx offered critical support to the Ottomans in their war against Tsarist Russia, weather or not if they were the “Last line of defense” is a different debate though

>>2781757
>All this horror will end when the Ummah unites once again
not gonna happen

>>2781764
They were and history proved it

>>2781764
Interesting to see what he would've thought about WW1.



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