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Surely before capitalism, civilizations still were dominant and based on the haves and have nots, just in different forms. So how can people avoid that being the case beyond capitalism? it seems like class dominance exists well outside of capitalism in multiple societies, how is this addressed, do the anarchists have some points about hereiechy? I think they take it far but shouldnt marxists be using materialism to study all authortarian class relationships not just industrial capitalism?
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>>2795900
>the revolutionary class of the feudal MoP era, the landed gentry / bourgeoisie
There are not very comparable. Gentry were nobles, while the burghers were commoners. Their revolutionary capacities are also misaligned. We see the sharing of powers following Magna Carta, leading to parliament, but this does not advance feudalism, except in perhaps increasing exploitation by an increase in rulers. Only by the late 15th century do we see the rise of agricultural capital, which nominally retains the same relation of lord to serf.
>not equal to the free peasantry
Well, while free peasantry and bourgeoisie were both commoners, the house of commons was still exclusive to wealth and status, yet still massively pertaining to bourgeois interests, which rebelled against the house of lords, ascending around the late 14th century in England. Marx writes that capitalism begins as an agricultural revolution, of privatising land from the Tudor period onwards (i.e. in the gentry), while the Yeoman farmer was still as yet a middle class ideal (i.e. the peasant), repeated in the fantasies of Thomas Jefferson (the rhetoric of the English revolutionaries largely concerned claims to land, since Charles had already enclosed much of the commons - the Diggers' movement thus placed the right to land in the labour which cultivates it, the same as Locke later on). Only by the rise of industrial power from the late 17th century onwards, does the bourgeoisie (read: urban middle class) come to colonise the socio-economic landscape. The industrial revolution was an urban movement, which contrasted from the earlier agricultural capital, and thus, value shifted from country to town, such as we see politically in the US Civil War, between north and south. Marx sees that the post-napoleonic period (1820-) is when the bourgeoisie became conservative in their new-found power, being substituted for the proletariat (with precedence in the Chartists, 1832-48). So, I would see that the bourgeoisie is really the revolutionary force of history by universalising its subject and object, which is why we still use these modern theories today.
>That's obviously in contradiction to the slaves or the proletarii of the slave MoP not being the revolutionary class.
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>>2795877
I never understood why Samir Amin, Eric Wolf, and John Haldon lumped the Ancient and Feudal modes of production together into the same Tributary mode of production (the description they give of the Tributary mode of production seems to be identical to the Feudal mode of production, which leads me to believe that it is just a name change to make it sound less Eurocentric), as my understanding of Historical Materialism always was that Feudal societies (ie. Medieval and Early Modern Europe, Byzantine Empire, Arab Caliphates, Ottoman Empire, Mughal India, Imperial China, etc.) had an oppressed class of peasants/serfs that were coerced by a ruling class of aristocrats/nobles to give a portion of their produce to them as surplus, while in the previous Ancient mode of production (ie. Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Babylon, Assyria, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Persia, Indus Valley, Mauryan and Gupta India, Shang dynasty, Aztecs, Olmecs, Zapotecs, Incas, etc.) an oppressed class of slaves is owned as property by a ruling class of citizens who exploit them as much as they want, which seems quite different, 🤔?

Would any Comrade like to answer my question at >>2796361 , I am genuinely confused about this, 🤔?

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>>2796361
>John Haldon lumped the Ancient and Feudal modes of production together into the same Tributary mode of production
Haldon acknowledges a slave MoP, he just says that most of the common instances of the slave MoP existing are when it co-exists with an emerging Tributary MoP, thus he says ancient Greece also had features of tributary MoP.
>the description they give of the Tributary mode of production seems to be identical to the Feudal mode of production, which leads me to believe that it is just a name change to make it sound less Eurocentric
For Amin, the Ancient MoP is one category of the Tributary MoP. He made his Tributary MoP category with an overly large net to make sure the examples of the Asiatic MoP would also be included, and because a lot of societies with "Asiatic MoP" had quite high levels of slavery in addition to the dominance of dependent peasant tenants paying rent in services or in kind, he struggled to find a dividing line between the two. Haldon would argue that slavery in those cases may well be present but that there's a difference in if its the main process of producing / extracting surplus.
For Haldon, the Tributary MoP is just another way to say "Feudal MoP", since bourgeois historians have spent the past 150 years using "feudal MoP" to debunk Marxism by claiming that Marx thought that the western-European Feudal legal system was somehow present in the Ottoman Empire, Mughal India, etc. when obviously they had different legal structures even if they had the same MoP.
"Feudalism" is the name for a particular legal system that existed in Western Europe, and "Feudal MoP" just means "that MoP that was present in western Europe while the Feudal legal system was dominant there". To make it easier for these bourgeois historians to understand, Haldon just uses "Tributary MoP" instead.

marxists must come up with a trans-historical metric of economic exploitation in order to prove that new classes will never arise in any future society


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Gonna make a new thread because no one is replying and this is a serious question I have been thinking about for years.

>>2731700
>>2731683
>>2731689
>God all these countries suck so fucking much at psy-ops. China, Russia, Iran. Look at their propaganda outlets directed at the US and HOW FUCKING SHIT THEY ARE! RT, CGTN, PressTV.ir SUCK SO MUCH ASS!

<CGTN has had on FUCKING HAZ FROM INFRARED!
<PressTV.ir has had on as a regular FUCKING <JASON UNRUHE!
RT has had FUCKING CALEB MAUPIN as a regular correspondent!

>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows. How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.
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>>2735061
>I've seen some clips of their newer stuff like their Korean war movie and it looks like amateur hour.
True, I heard from a sinologist I like to watch sometimes that his contacts in China talk to him about Chinese TV getting more and more boring, and how there is some cultural national push going on which saps the fun out of TV shows. But most of donghuas are ONAs so they are a bit more distanced from this trend.

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>>2735061
>Jackie Chan movies, Bruce Lee, Jet Li then in the early 00s all that wire Kung Fu, House of Flying Daggers, Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, stuff was huge. Kung Fu Hustle, Shaolin Soccer

Dude, these are all Hong-Kong made movies. Even before the civil war most film production came out of the more stable southern parts of China and then a lot of the people involved moved to Hong Kong and Taiwan afterward. Mainland China ended up with a completely different path when it came to filmmaking.
On one hand, there were films made for the masses, a lot like that Korean War movie you mentioned. corny, cheaply made and pretty simplistic war movies or comedies meant to entertain peasants. On the other hand there were more artsy films, directed by people who had studied at top film film making schools abroad. These had big state budgets and won soviet film awards. but most people never actually saw them and they were still heavily propagandistic.
The real high point of Chinese cinema is the Fifth Generation. That era had fewer restrictions on subject matter and more cross-regional exchange within the Sinosphere, which led to some genuinely great films. They were critically strong and did okay commercially but not massively so.
In the end though, chinese audiences largely wanted more lowbrow entertainment and that’s what they got. Ironically capitalism ended up producing the same kind of state-backed, cheaply made mass-market content of the mao era, simplistic war movies and crass comedies.

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No shit

>>2782612
interesting

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Like it or not the ACP became the de facto recognised Communist Party in the US and this will extend to the rest of the world, the parties Russia and China will put into power will be PatSoc


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Memetic warfare is an effective means of strategy. Like, we're seeing memetic warfare being used at a scale that is quite frankly never been seen before, you know. It's really ridiculous.
There was a story that broke a few weeks ago. Something like 60 million visits a month to this porn site called Motherless, which is one of the skeezier porn sites. It doesn't have a VPN, which is probably why they're… It doesn't have age restriction by state. Like, Pornhub — I live in Florida. I can't go on Pornhub because it's blocked unless I use a VPN. But I can go on Xvideos. Pornhub has a lot more professional content. It's a lot more curated. Xvideos, they don't give a fuck. You can just post whatever you want. They don't have age verification, though, which is probably why they don't give a fuck, right? Motherless is the same way.
And so from what I can gather about this story, there are some pretty egregious videos on this service, right? Because it's unregulated and anyone can post anything. And it's clearly a company that doesn't give a shit about following the law because they're not following the age verification protocol, right? And so they're saying 60 million men go online to a rape academy, is what they're calling this porn website.
But in reality, what the actual story is that, yes, there are some pretty egregious videos. And if you interact with those videos, which are a specific niche of videos of people who are asleep. Yeah, you see how this is egregious, right? You see how this is bad? You see how this is unacceptable? If you interact with those videos, you could be invited to a private Discord server and get a whole bunch of tips on how to engage in such behaviors.
The problem is, instead of going, "oh, okay, that's what's happening, that's fucked up, that's awful," the narrative got spun. 60 million men a month go to this. Like, dude, men are just fucking sick in their fucking heads. This is crazy, right?
But that wasn't an organic story. That story was a psy-op. The narrative, the way it was pushed out, the misinformation around the statistics that paint an image of particular groups of people engaging in particular activities that are horrifying.
Pair this, then, with people like Nick Fuentes on their live streams praising Jeffrey Epstein, praising Jeffrey Epstein, talking about what he did — any man would want to do what he did. Any man would want to be in his position. Wouldn't you want to have those little girls Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2797117
I read through some of this post, but — ? Do you really use em dash?

>>2797125
Or is this like training an AI to do leftist propaganda?

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>And if you interact with those videos, which are a specific niche of videos of people who are asleep. Yeah, you see how this is egregious, right? You see how this is bad? You see how this is unacceptable?
I beg to differ if consenting adults want to wake each-other up with intercourse and have agreed to such advances prior then by itself it is not a bad thing. But I understand the view in the context you presented with the rest of the text that is implicating of rape which is of course terrible.

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>>2797117
>bro, the problem is capitalist

https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2018/1/31/on-secret-cults-and-male-dominance


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Four Indonesian military personnel go on trial over acid attack on rights activist
Three navy marines and one air force officer, all assigned to the intelligence agency of the Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI), are charged with serious premeditated assault over last month’s attack on Andrie Yunus, a human rights lawyer and senior activist with the Commission for the Disappeared and Victims of Violence (KontraS), who suffered severe injuries. The case has reignited concerns about impunity for the armed forces.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/four-indonesian-military-personnel-go-trial-over-acid-attack-rights-activist

Indigenous rights activist seeks probe over military harassment, coercion
Indigenous rights activist Raven Desposado has formally asked the Commission on Human Rights on April 28, 2026 to launch an investigation into the coercion and harassment he experienced while he was organizing the 42nd People’s Cordillera Day in Tadian, Mountain Province.
https://www.bulatlat.com/2026/04/29/indigenous-rights-activist-seeks-probe-over-military-harassment-coercion/

Watched, Tracked, Hacked! IFJ Study Finds Global Systemic Surveillance of Journalists
Amid data centres mushrooming across the world, the study revealed that data harvested through these mechanisms is fed into artificial intelligence (AI) dashboards that correlate calls, messages, geolocation data, and online activity –automating surveillance at a scale once unimaginable. “In conflict zones, such as Gaza or Ukraine, AI systems now fuse telecom and drone feeds to identify and track journalists, blurring the line between observation and physical targeting”, the IFJ said.
https://www.newsclick.in/watched-tracked-hacked-ifj-study-finds-global-systemic-surveillance-journalists

Cubans back ‘My signature for the Homeland’ campaign as tensions with US intensify
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Supreme Court weakens a landmark Civil Rights-era law and aids GOP efforts to control the House
In a 6-3 ruling, the court’s conservative majority found that Louisiana district represented by Democrat Cleo Fields relied too heavily on race. Chief Justice John Roberts had described the 6th Congressional District as a “snake” that stretches more than 200 miles (320 kilometers) to link parts of Shreveport, Alexandria, Lafayette and Baton Rouge. “That map is an unconstitutional gerrymander,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the six conservatives.
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-voting-rights-congressional-redistricting-louisiana-aa5d7dbde7c13654f341d152c2ad5229

Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores
When engaging in surveillance pricing, stores rapidly change the cost of products based on consumer data, including their location, internet search history and demographics. That means buyers are paying different prices for the same items purchased around the same time. Critics of this method – also known as dynamic pricing – say that in doing so, businesses are effectively charging each person the most that they’re willing to pay.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/29/maryland-grocery-stores-ban-surveillance-pricing

US to drop felony charge against ex-congressional candidate, three others over Chicago immigration protest
Federal prosecutors in Chicago on Wednesday said they will drop ​the main conspiracy count against four people, including a former Democratic ‌congressional candidate, who are facing criminal charges in connection with a September protest during the height of a U.S. immigration crackdown.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-drop-felony-charge-against-ex-congressional-candidate-three-others-over-2026-04-29/

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International May Day Agitation
In preparation for the upcoming May Day, there have been multiple actions and calls internationally, we hereby share some of them. In Turkey, multiple agitation actions have been carried out. In Esenyurt and Okmeydanı, as well as in Şahintepe, Okmeydanı, Avcılar and areas along the Kadıköy-Gebze line, leaflets have been distributed, banners erected, graffiti painted and stickers put up, calling for the participation with Partizan in the May 1st demonstration in Taksim Square, Istanbul. Some of the slogans erected include: “On its 50th Anniversary, Taksim Belongs to the People, From Past to Future!” and “The Land is Ours, the Labor is Ours, the World Will Be Ours!”.
https://redherald.org/2026/04/29/international-may-day-agitation/

Shoplifting and class struggle
On the evening of 15 December 2025, just before 9:40 PM, a large group of people dressed as Santa Claus and his elves went into a supermarket in Montreal. They moved calmly through the supermarket aisles, filling their sacks with food. Within minutes they left taking thousands of dollars' worth of groceries, none of which was paid for. Santa and his masked elves then went to the Christmas tree in the central square. Underneath the twinkling lights, they laid out the stolen food and attached signs that read ‘Christmas is expensive, free food’. The remaining groceries were distributed to community fridges across Montreal. In a statement released afterwards, the group said they were responding to rising food prices and supermarket profiteering. ‘We work more and more just to be able to buy food from supermarket chains that are using inflation as a pretext to make record profits’, the statement read. ‘A handful of companies are holding our basic needs hostage…. For us, that is theft.’ The Santa Claus stunt in Montreal comes at a moment when shoplifting is once again a central political talking point in the UK. In recent years, shoplifting has skyrocketed.
https://libcom.org/article/shoplifting-and-class-struggle

Top Democrat Privately Whips Votes to Help Trump Spy on You
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There is going to be a brake in news posting starting the 4th of may and ending the 12th

tybna
>>2797222
bye T-T

>>2797212
>Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores
Capitalism enjoyers in shambles.


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Is maoism completely dead? The CCP doesnt follow it and has practically disavowed it.
Modern maoism only exists online and is entirely composed of just resentful thirdworlders and non-white ethnonationalists with teenage revenge fantasies.
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Maoism is just personality cult third world nationalism. For that reason it was very popular in the 60s but is probably never coming back.

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>>2796794

The proposition is ahistorical, idealist, and reeks of the liberal bourgeoisie's inability to comprehend the dialectic of national liberation. To reduce the history of Maoism to a "personality cult" is to mistake the surface appearance (the veneration of a revolutionary leader by the masses who liberated themselves) for the essence (the concrete application of Marxism–Leninism to the semi‑feudal, semi‑colonial conditions of China). The Maoist era was not a cult of personality of nationalism. It was an era of expelled imperialism and laid the material foundation for anti-colonialism / anti settler colonialism becoming the leftist standard of today. The "third world nationalism" epithet is a slur deployed by the imperial core to dismiss any anti‑imperialist struggle that refuses to bow to the will of western forces who attack sovereignty

The claim that Maoism "is probably never coming back" confuses the contingency of historical conjunctures with the permanence of contradictions. The conditions that produced Maoism semi‑colonial exploitation, feudal remnants, the necessity of agrarian revolution have not vanished from the globe; they have merely shifted. The oppressed nations of the Global South, including the Black and Indigenous internal colonies of the settler state, continue to face the same essential contradiction, imperialism and its comprador allies. As long as that contradiction exists, the strategic lessons of Maoism will be found in the voices and praxis of today's left.

The dialectical unity of revolutionary currents Maoist, nihilist, anarcho communist insurrectionist, is not an eclectic pastiche but a materialist synthesis. Each contains partial truths to be found. Maoism teaches protracted struggle and mass line; nihilism strips away bourgeois spooks, and passivity, and encourages negation of anti-materialism; anarchism hones the art of autonomous action. People like us do not discard these lessons; we absorb, refine, and apply them according to the concrete conditions of the moments in places and time we find ourselves in. A true revolutionary does not fetishize labels but seizes what is useful, discards what is weak, and forges a living weapon in their mind.

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>Is maoism completely dead?
Yes, and it should be. Outside of Africa there are no longer are any countries where it would be applicable.

>>2796164
maoism is from latin america
>>2796166
correct
>>2796168
read this thread since you didn't know the diff:

>>>/leftypol/2767836

>>2796938
>The "third world nationalism" epithet is a slur deployed by the imperial core to dismiss any anti‑imperialist struggle that refuses to bow to the will of western forces who attack sovereignty
Except when it's an accurate critique of the limitations of inherently succdem left-nationalist opportunism which more often than not serves the interests of the national bourgeoisie and petty bourgeois clans while throwing the proles and lumpens under the bus.


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Honest question (NOT trolling):

What exactly should the western left do for Palestine that they haven’t already been doing for the past 2.5 years (or even longer for that matter)?

I’ve seen Palestinian activists say “we need to do more to stop the genocide” more times than I can count. But what should we feasibly be doing that we’re not doing already? Boycotts? Mass protests? Blockading arms sales? Policing your peers’ consumer habits so they’re compliant with BDS? Making lists of politicians who receive money from AIPAC and voting them out? We’ve done this already. In NYC, there was a mass protest every fucking weekend where we were told to “escalate for Gaza” yet we never escalated; I don’t even fucking know what “escalate” is supposed to mean. Were we supposed to be engaging in violent riots and molotoving the banks or whatever?

I asked this to a comrade of mine and he said: “You know what we mean when we want the left to do more for Palestine.” By that, he clearly means engage in political violence, bring back the Weathermen. But how would ultra-left adventurism do anything? Elias Rodriguez did exactly this and is now facing life in prison for killing two interns who were replaced the next day. What a fucking waste.

The American left is way too weak, disorganized, and incompetent to do anything meaningful to help the Palestinians resist or stop Israel. It’s gotten to the point where people are putting all their hope and faith in the idea Israel will collapse on its own because they’ve run out of strategies. So what should the left be doing that it’s not doing already? Give clear examples.
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>>2795394
>Israel-Palestine has nothing to do with race.

it quite obviously has a huge amount to do with race, just maybe not exactly as americans understand race

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>>2795394
>Israel-Palestine is fundamentally about nationality AKA competing nationalisms

ok, why are arab-israelis still treated like dogshit even if they have citizenship? they literally aren't allowed to marry a jew

>>2795394
Psued take. Palestinians/arabs are absolutely racialized by israel.

>>2796704
Because of competing nationalisms. Palestinians are not a race and Jews are not a race. Israeli marriage laws are actually based on Ottoman marriage laws.

>>2796701
>>2796706
Most Israeli Jews are the same colour as most Palestinians. This conflict is mostly brown-on-brown violence.


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2,977 yanks were killed because of the Oslo Accords and the Gilf War. That then dragged America into a 20 year war that it ultimately lost. 2,000 more US servicemen died during Operation Enduring Freedom. This is justice for 400 years worth of oppression towards indigenous peoples and black people. Prove me wrong. America the Great has fallen. 9/11 and 10/7 were the two days when the US and Israel finally felt what they dished out to so many others. They're the reason the Middle East is so unstable. Anglos, Jews and Arabs are all in on it together. The US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE and Oman got to go.
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>>2794015
That link no longer works but I remember that image and I remember it working at some point.

>>2794022
it works fine, you're bad at typing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uoQ5uLK4fI

>>2794023
Oh true, thank you.

>>2794015
They were already running ads like vidrel for asbestos before and after 9/11, the market was already prepared to make a profit off of asbestos victims

>>2793983
DISCLAIMER: I hate AmeriKKKa to an insane extent
I don't think this is that accurate given that most who died probably supported US imperialism and deserved it. I do not, however, see 9/11 as a positive event because it also killed many innocent people.


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I'm really new to politics. What I understood so far is:

socialism: social property of the "means of production" (it can be both democratic or revolutionary)
communism: stateless and classless society
marxism: a sociopolitical and economic analysis of society based on the idea that class struggle under capitalism will eventually lead to a socialist and then communist society

They are different concepts, but can work in a same framework depending on how you define them.

Am I right?
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>>2795866
>decisions have to be planned by rationality and reason not by popularity.
Humans are not rational agents. And indeed, society is such a large organism that it is impossible for society to collectively plan production without competing interests existing. We've seen the 20th century play out, we know a rationally planned economy is not possible.
I think it would be better for producers and consumers to work out their interests and plan locally according to their needs, but I don't think a planned, centralized communist society is possible.

>>2796793
>we know a rationally planned economy is not possible.
only if the richest half of the world refuses to have a revolution for some reason

>>2796793
we're already under a planned economy if you look at how huge business functions,it's just built for profit

>>2796793
>I think it would be better for producers and consumers to work out their interests and plan locally according to their needs
That's basically what I wrote though, you just don't want to say it should function rationally because some people won't be rational but that's expected, nobody is pushing idealism to say all humans are rational. But humans should strive to make rational decisions.

>>2796954
Also Fichte already answered the question of contradiction of interests, its compromise or conflict.


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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott
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>>2795355
we can simply decide what the length of the working week is, and everything follows from that. this doesn't prevent people from doing things as a hobby

>>2795040
>ai
the point of cybernetics is that planning can be done with discrete algorithms, not AI

>>2796590
>the point of cybernetics is that planning can be done with discrete algorithms, not AI
yes

>>2795040

>Where is the schizo creating the planned economy bot. You would think there would be one Terry Davis MF working on an AI for that exact purpose
>>not enough Data
>Use as much data that is already available. Better sooner than later

oec.world has a lot of data, from several nations, but that's just trade flow. idk how you convert trade flows into plans. and who cares about making planning software if there's nobody in power to actually implement those plans? The world is still divided into nations doing destructive "geopolitics" that race to the bottom and dedicate trillions in resources to strategically outmaneuvering each other. Countries will destroy trillions of dollars to secure billions of dollars. It is an irrational and suicidal system: Capitalism.

>>2795981
>we can simply decide what the length of the working week is, and everything follows from that.
anon that's not how planning works because different commodities are produced and consumed at different rates, and services also have variable demand. In a war you need surgeons who remove bullets and shrapnel working around the clock for example.

>>2796641
uhuh. and in that case we will notice whether we hit the surgeon constraint and we will have to decide whether to relax the labor constraint, to train more surgeons or to simply let people die


 

I've been reading a book about the limits of science, one of it's topics is about the idea of chaos and how complex system cannot be fully know to us or controlled, that does it imply that a planned economy is theoretically impossible for us? What is the answer from socialist about this problem? After that question I'm starting to lean towards a market socialism to deal with the question economy complexity, what's is the LeftyPol answer to the question of economic complexity?

BUmperino

The economy is only limited by the division of labour. If you allow for more specialised labour to flourish, it is harder to control.

>>2796739
You put an ultimatum on something that hasn't even been structured for an attempt, planned production isn't impossible, you fell for the same bullshit premise as "economic miscalculation problem".

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>>2796739
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