/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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Reported for spam, non substantive content. The entire reason I'm a Marxist is to get away from Chinats. Sino-Marxism, yes, Chinese ultranationalism, just fascism in new garb.

>>2561461
It's like a rule for driving on which side of the road. Either way works, the point is you have to choose a way and stick to it and be explicit about your choice to be consistent and easy to follow in your monologue. Even if your monologue is consistent, if you don't make explicit your choice, it will appear inconsistent to those who have made another choice.

We can follow the choices Engels made in Anti-Dühring, so we then say: Labor-time accounting will be very important in socialism, but it will not act in the role of value, and so, value will disappear.

They are some self-described Marxists who also say that value will disappear, but who seem to mean that in the sense of labor time as an important fact to reckon with. I think they should be cyber-bullied.

>>2561452
based beyond belief

Hard Budget Constraints and Bidding for Resources
(I'm not actually advocating that pseudo-firms with hard budget constraints should bid with play-money for resources in auctions, I'm just investigating that idea.)

We assume here that getting an injection of extra play-money out of schedule is either something that literally never happens or is such an extra-ordinary event that the people in the pseudo-firms don't expect to ever receive that. That's what we mean by hard budget constraints. In the following, I will stick to a very simple model that has a given pile of resources and pseudo-firms that take from the pile to transform resources into consumer items. Each transformation happens entirely inside of one such pseudo-firm. So if we get something to work within that model world, the result is not directly applicable to the real world with its many multi-step production processes that are not vertically integrated.

When a pseudo-firm runs out of play-money, does it lose its ability to access the bidding platform at all? That sounds bad. We can prevent that with the option of zero-price bid, or if we want to be a bit more poetic, empty-hand bid or karate bid ("kara te" literally means "empty hand" in Japanese👈🤓). We do a strict ranking of all pseudo-firms, those with higher initial budget ranked higher, and whenever there are tied bids, we resolve this by referring to the ranks. So when only one pseudo-firm bids for a resource with a karate bid, it gets the resource for free. A pseudo-firm without any budget left can still submit karate bids.

Among those pseudo-firms without budgets, everything is resolved by rank. But does the bidding system need to degenerate in such an extreme way? We can do something to make that highly unlikely, since the bidding system is digital. Suppose every pseudo-firm receives with their budget a POMF (Penny Of Million Fragments), then the broke pseudo-firms can still properly play the bidding game with each other as long as they still have just some fractional pennies left in their accounts.

All in all, this still sounds pretty lousy. Pseudo-firms tasked with very important tasks should not lose access to resources even if they run out of budget. But if they have high hopes for play-money injectionPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2561452
I've run into this problem as well. some Marxists are very attached to their definition of the word "value", for example "SNLT under capitalism". thus speaking about value in other modes of production upsets them, even though the concept of value predates capitalism. we see this shit in the planning debate too where some people will try to use semantics to claim that their pet mode of exchange is actually planning. that planning is when people plan things, rather than an entirely different mode of production
>>2561631
there are Marxists who seem to think labour will essentially just become hobbies. how they imagine people will willingly empty the septic tanks is never explained. you just get the anarchist "oh well people will just do it/it won't be a problem because I say so" but they're Marxists so it's totally different

TL;DR: kill sophists. behead sophists. etc etc

>>2562210
this just affirms the need for planning. with planning firms get assigned the resources they need. we could have a small budget of slush money for unforeseen needs, but the big stuff needs planning. for example a steel mill needs electricity, ore and coal (or hydrogen if it's direct reduction), which we can plan. but maybe we can't plan the office supplies they need
if a workplace runs out of resources then the solution is to re-plan with this in mind. this is just another way of saying that the plan period should be delimited not just by time but also by state variables. see pdfrel by Intriligator and Sheshinski

I love AI

TOTAL PETTY BOURGEOIS DEATH

>>2557374
Besides that you are lumping a lot of different technologies into "A.I" you just said that it isn't fundamentally unsustainable
If the energy comes from renewable (including nuclear) energy it isn't wasteful (if all the other areas of life alzó use green energy)

It can also be done without AI. Penisblast explained it in one of his videos before AI took off.

>>2556868
>How can you bd a leftist thsts agaisnt ai?
You cant be a marxist but you certainly a leftist liberal luddite who is against productive forces developing technologically and instead favor keeping unnecessary petit porky business artificially alive with regulations.

>>2557845
Absolutely but you can fine tune everything economical with predictive machine learning.

>>2539268
>is this true, /leftypol/?
<https://thinkbrics.substack.com/p/southeast-asias-greatest-power-indonesia
BRICS are nothing but a scam. They'll never rid dollars. However, rackets like this surely possible. Eventually if those desperate indogs managed to wage a socialist revolution, then they'll be surrounded by enemies from all sides. No one likes socialist revolution anymore, all about piss and shit ability.

Why they're like this?
>Israeli man arrested in Pattaya for allegedly stealing temple donation envelopes from massage shop

singapore to implement spankings for scammers

>>2556488
so when Vietnam freed itself from France that "didn't do shit?"

>>2556986
you got a block of quotes from marx engels and lenin, which you ignored, and then, grasping for straws, you found a parenti quote and decided to use it as an excuse to feel smug instead of formulate a counter argument

>>2557026
Why do you identify so much with the "west"?

Communists in 1941: " nazi germany must be destroyed"
Nazi: "they want to genocide us"

Telling on yourself

>>2562257
You are wrong on all levels. Stop spreading lies about Communism. This phony stagist line is not the official theory of the Communist Party. The creator of this phony three stagism admits it "follows a very different line" from the Communist Party, but also that it "differs in important respects" from Communist China's on-the-ground economic reality. Theory that fails to correspond to the material and economic base it seeks to describe is idealism. This phony three stage theory is a prescriptive checklist divorced from reality. This immediately nullifies all validity and disqualifies it as a representation of the CPC's theoretical framework.
<THIS PAPER FOLLOWS a very different line from China’s official classification of the primary stage of socialism in terms of productivity and standard of living, which in turn differs in important respects from current economic developments in China.
https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/on-the-three-stages-in-the-development-of-socialism/On%20the%20Three%20Stages%20in%20the%20Development%20of%20Socialism.pdf
>>2556866
The point of Scientific Socialism is to build Communism, not abolish markets. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist constPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2562264
The counter argument is simple. All westoids are wrong and i will demonstrate
>>2556725
>China intends to build socialism.
This is wrong. China is already socialist. You cite Mao only to contradict him. He Zhao says China has billionaires, but "billionaire" is an imperialist social relation. There is no capitalist private property in China, so there is neither billionaires nor capitalism in China.
Rodrick is also wrong.
<Taken together, these accounts tell a pretty compelling and straightforward story: a worker state led by a vanguard party has placed the productive forces developed by capitalism under human control once again, for the benefit of the many rather than the few, and so definitively begun the complex and difficult transition away from capitalism and into communism that we call socialism.
The "transition away from" capitalism was completed in China in by 1956, so rodrick is wrong because he defies Communist Party. https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/8th_congress.htm
Parenti is wrong because 20 years ago he said china was neoliberal and that the chinese were poor and colonizing tibet. He is wrong today because he suggests that China is not purely socialist and that westoid imperialists and their agents are in fact "pure socialists."

>>2562169
I don't know about all that, but A LOT of South Africans are teaching english in China

Damn that's crazy, you mean to tell me these 'gen z protests' are inorganic color revolutions funded by and supported by international capital?

Who would have thought!

New Age Verification Bills Could Ban VPNs, Jeopardize the Privacy of Millions
In Wisconsin, Senate Bill 130 proposes that sites use “reasonable age verification methods” and requires the publishers and distributors of “material harmful to minors” to prevent access from known VPN IP addresses. Under the bill, entities in violation of the law would be subject to civil penalties. In Michigan, House Bill 4938 takes it a step further and proposes an all-out ban on VPNs entirely. The lawmakers in support of the bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act, want internet service providers in the state to “actively monitor and block known circumvention tools.” The bill prohibits “the promotion or sale of circumvention tools to access prohibited material.” Violators would be subject to civil and criminal penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of up to $500,000 under the proposed legislation.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/new-age-verification-bills-could-ban-vpns-jeopardize-the-privacy-of-millions/
https://archive.ph/vRZXq

Bruce Harrell concedes Seattle's mayoral race to Katie Wilson
Wilson, who has been called "the Zohran Mamdani of Seattle," appealed to many voters concerned about affordability, housing, homelessness, and public safety. Wilson has never held elected office and is a co-founder of the Transit Riders Union, an advocacy group for improved public transportation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/14/katie-wilson-seattle-mayor-bruce-harrell/87258593007/
https://archive.ph/axtYi

She’s challenging Bass from the left. Could she become L.A.’s Mamdani?
Huang, who is planning a campaign launch on Sunday, is shying away from comparisons to Mamdani, a democratic socialist who was elected mayor of New York City last week. She has not been endorsed by DSA-LA, though she hopes to be. Nevertheless, she sees next year’s electPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2562004
>Violators would be subject to civil and criminal penalties of up to 25 years in prison and fines of up to $500,000 under the proposed legislation.

Insanity heaped upon madness.

(TRUE ANON ) Episode 502: Red Scare
We welcome back Aaron Leonard to have an in-depth talk about his new book, MENACE OF OUR TIME: The Long War Against American Communism
https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-502-red-143572606

The immigration debate in Quebec explained
The immigration debate regularly makes headlines in Quebec. The Parti Québécois, which leads the polls, has made immigration one of its main campaign issues. They promise to reduce immigration to relieve pressure on public services, tackle the housing crisis, and slow the decline of the French language. The CAQ has historically made a lot of noise about this issue. But it now finds itself between a rock and a hard place, having presided over a significant increase in immigration despite its promise to “take in fewer but take care of them.” Even the Quebec Liberal Party claims that Quebec’s “integration capacity” has been exceeded. What should be the communist position on this issue?
https://www.marxist.ca/article/the-immigration-debate-in-quebec-explained

The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir: Conclusion
‘NO, WOMAN is not our brother; through indolence and deceit we have made of her a being apart, unknown, having no weapon other than her sex, which not only means constant warfare but unfair warfare – adoring or hating, but never a straight friend, a being in a legion with esprit de corps and freemasonry – the defiant gestures of the eternal little slave.’
Many men would still subscribe to these words of Laforgue; many think that there will always be ‘strife and dispute’, as Montaigne put it, and that fraternity will never be possible. The fact is that today neither men nor women are satisfied with each other. But the question is to know whether there is an original curse that condemns them to rend each other or whether the conflicts in which they are opposed merely mark a transitional moment in human history. Legends notwithstanding, no physiological destiny imposes an eternal hostility upon Male and Female as such; even the famous praying mantis devours her male only for want of other food and for the good of the species: it is to this, the specPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Thank you based news anon

>>2562035
new thread

>>2562015
Yeah I really want to run a piece on how reddit is the most fed controlled platform on the internet.

>>2562062
Touch on Ashooh, Eglin Air Force Base, Shadowbanning, Power Mods, Israel Lobby, Banned Subs (Chapotraphouse), Quarantined Subs (GenZedong), maybe also the suicide of one of the founders when he faced 30-something years in prison downloading academic papers without paying for them (which AI companies now do with total impunity to train their models, while he had been doing it to make research free, which is of course why he got prosecuted)

>>2561787
Yes, a strong executive seizing power because of a gridlock in the legislature. Definitely something that only happened in bourgeois republics and not in the USSR during the Stalinist period

>>2559097
Good economy

>>2554155
Honestly, if I were king of the CPC, I would just have the state invest a couple of billion (trivial at the government scale) into non-profit foreign stock market manipulation aimed at causing economic distrust.

>>2555719
>describing this as a socialist revolution
Chinese tech isn't locked down, the proletariat can re-configure the software and modify the hardware by adding or removing their own parts to fit their material conditions. AppleTV degenerates are literally regressed into pre-modern neofeudal serfs who think technology is magic that only the priest class can control. Neoliberals would literally be afraid and shocked if you opened up their phone case lol
>just turning apple consumers into huawei consumers
China makes tech for adult humans, they don't sell glossy, frictionless baby products for domesticated cattle who can't legally repair their own stuff.

>>2538705
>Anti-NATO and anti-EU position is eapecially toxic. It appeals only to nationalists, who arent going to vote socialists anyway.
Even if this is true, the EU and NATO are imperialist institutions of American Imperial Hegemony. With Western Europe as a logistical base of operations, the American Empire is able to project power and neocolonial rule deeper into Eurasia and Africa.

>>2559205
We speak parasitic here

>>2538761

>Russia's defeat of Nazi Ukraine will not only be helpful for Ukrainian Communists and anti-fascists but will be a crippling blow to the trans-Atlantic system, NATO, the EU, and the "rules-based genocide" order.

Yea dude I'm sure that the fascist oligarchy with imperialist amibitions is gonna be excited to replace being surrounded by NATO bases with being surrounded by socialist, anti-fascist movements

>>2561222
Damn not even controlled opposition communists are left alone.