/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2801600
https://chuangcn.org/journal/
Marxist analysis of China and SE Asia. Required reading for a non-retarded understanding of the PRC.

>>2801461
Aaron Benanav isn't a communizer and Chuang are glowies.

>>2801775
The Paris Commune didn't seize the banks and didn't expand, that's why it failed. Communizers wish to use communism itself as a means of struggle against capitalism, and to paradoxically establish communism. This is done through communist measures.

A communist measure is the overcoming of exchange, money, value, the State, hierarchy, race, class, gender distinctions etc. What replaces them and the ways in which they are overcome changes according to the needs of the situation.

Communization tries to see opportunities in current struggles in which the course towards communism can be taken, it does not try to imagine a revolution in the future where "the conditions are ripe" but wishes to use current struggles as opportunities for communist revolution.

(https://www.sicjournal.org/communist-measures-2/)

>>2799395
You got banned? I always knew you werent a real theorycel ultroid bordigger.

>>2803749
Bordiga was FAT while Dauve is a skinny TWINK. I'll never be a Bordigger, never!

>>2803723
>Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
Thats not entirely true. Worship to gods is also part of the logic of exchange, where one is rewarded for sacrifice. So, it has its dimension of commoditisation.

>>2803722
I would call butchering Hypatia in the street pretty reactionary

>>2803727
So, yes? History has regressed since the time of 100 CE?

>>2803723
>Christians view religion as a deeply personal belief, and while religious communites exist, there aren't the center of religion.
>Christians pratice their religion because they believe they'll go to heaven. Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
This is really later development, i don't want to say protestant, but that was the logical endpoint of this development. The early Christians put more weight on you doing right by others, the community was the thing in early-Christianity. It was not primarily about personal faith, or personal repentance, obsession of with sins and being sorry for them. That is the later development.

Also what differentiates pagan worship above all from Christianity was that pagan worship was more transactional. Like you do the sacrifices and rituals to get better crop, find love, cure your illness etc or not be affected by your god's disfavor if you don't. Christian god is universal and will forgive all who will seek him, and will set things right after the second coming. You cannot sacrifice, pray hard enough, or be good or virtuous enough for god to earn anything, but they belied that they could take the given grace and could be good enough to other people with that grace. If the could not, then tough luck champ, I guess they weren't true in their faith. However the talk inside your head was never the point it was the walk you would walk because of it. The community, the works and the church was preparation for the second coming, aka. final judgment, aka. "heaven", which was coming soon, on earth, not above the clouds, alternative dimension, or metaphorically. Christianity was not as or less communal than pagan societies, they were more communal by all measures. What they however also were more insular (mostly because charity with limited resources is rationally focused primarily within the in-group) and took the worship away from public spectacles and that irked some of the roman pagans and led to all kinds of conspiracy theories. Those conspiracy theories and Christians denouncing the cults of roman emperors led to the later persecutions.

>>2802023
everytime there's a crisis in capital a reactionary entity of ye olden days will see the writing on the wall and try to ride the wave of change in a last ditch effort to continue existing

>>2803228
Hekmatist practice all things they criticize the ICP for

If you read their program it's literally just the gotha program

I concede that they're internationalists and might build the infrastructure for future Iraqi-Iranian-Kurdish joint class struggle

Sorry afandi but you've contributed to this

Why is Turkey so nationalistic?

I am Greek but I really choose to ignore Greek Turkish relations. So I am clueless. If you asked me I would love Erdo to invade so that at least we get rid of the people in power now. What is something bad that Greece is doing or has done that you genuinely believe is bad.

>>2803264
Liberalism

Nothing happened to the Armenians in WWI and they also deserved it

Le problème d'une potentielle victoire de Mélenchon c'est qu'elle nécessite une situation nationale et internationale assez précise pour que les centristes et les libéraux de gauche votent pour Mélenchon, car sans ceux il se fera battre par un Bardella ou un Retailleau qui vont juste proposer des solutions beaucoup simples (violentes et racistes) à la crise. Et beaucoup d'évènements pourraient pousser les centristes et les libéraux de gauche à l'abstention ou hésiter à aller voter pour l'extrèèèème-gauche même si la FI tente de les draguer avec "l'amitié" et les "petits patrons de gauche" :

• Un troisième facho qui se fait terminer après Charlie Kirk et Quentin
  
• Un attentat par un musulman convaincu par un "imam radical" (un mec de la DGSI sur Telegram) ou qui est laissé faire, l'option la plus facile pour garantir une victoire de la droite
  
• Un peu trop de sorties pro-Hezbollah ou pour la Palestine, même si on voit que la FI est déjà en train de se calmer sur ce côté là depuis les sorties de Mélenchon sur Epstein car la FI n'a pas le luxe de s'aliéner les pipous gauchistes
  
• L'Iran ou les Houthis qui tuent un peu trop de militaires fr ou rasent la base de Djibouti
  
• Une escalade en Europe de l'Est, qui est activement recherchée par l'OTAN pour garantir le réarmement européen à long terme
  
  

Je suis même pas sur que la crise éco actuelle aide Mélenchon, car même si les gens sont opposés à l'intervention de la France, beaucoup de prolos abstentionnistes ou dépolitisés pensent que la crise est causée par l'état social français et les TAXES plutôt que par les USA et Israël

>>2802392
The only way people tolerate high taxes is to directly see that money being invested in things that make their lives immediately and noticeably better. This is a tough ask for even the most competent state machines you could point towards.

>>2802392
Après ça peut parfaitement être l'inverse, suffit d'imaginer que Trump fasse encore de la merde ou quelque chose et ça peut ruiner Bardella au second tour.

>>2802348
>>2801400
Le roux est connu quasi-uniquement pour son histoire de violence domestique. Je t'assure que même si il est innocent (je t'avoue que j'ai pas suivi l'histoire), ça m'étonnerait qu'il puisse s'extirper de cette image de batteur de femme. Bompard ça aurait été déjà mieux mais bon il a pas vraiment la carrure pour être président ; on dirait trop un vieux prolo de la CGT désabusé.

>>2802392
Réel, on va se retrouver soit avec un centriste à la con soit avec Bardella.

>>2700724
Vous en pensez quoi du front de gauche ? Imo ça aurait pu être une réelle force d'alliance entre l'ancienne et la nouvelle gauche. C'est dommage que ce se soit terminé.
>cadres politique & ancrage territorial du PCF
>classes populaires urbaines récupérée par LFI

On aurait pu avoir une réelle alliance populaire

>>2803125
Le front de gauche est bien quand il y a trop de parti différent mais entre les vieux carrieristes du PCF attaché à leur rocher à tout prix qui refusent de partager et les socialopes du PS qui veulent faire barrage à la HAINE et l'antisémtisme de Mélenchon en semaine A puis demander à faire alliance avec lui pour mieux l'enculer en semaine B… Je comprends que ça ne prenne pas.

>>2799494
we live in a world of Actual Machines, anon

>>2795025
In my estimation, the solution is automation. The robot will never complain about working 24/7, and its existence means a human doesnt even have to do that job.

Many jobs you can't legally just do because you feel like it, you need to have credentials in the form of certificates that cost a lot of money. I asked myself: What would be the anarchocommunist version of that?

I figure a very rudimentary social network could replace at least some of that credentialing business, just a public database full of statements of the form:
<I, [name], say [person] is better at doing [activity] than me.
No freeform writing with LLM analysis, just fixed activity descriptions no longer than three words.

People could follow chains, like Alice saying Bob is better at cooking than herself, Bob saying he is not as good at cooking as Carl, and so on. Of course, there could be such "better than me" endorsement chains between people going in both directions or in a circle. In that case, the system could highlight the shorter chain.

>>2799933
automation just creates new jobs, like overseeing, cleaning, repairing machinery. It can decrease hours worked, or it can get workers fired, it can create a crisis of overproduction, but it never gets rid of human labor completely. If it did get rid of human labor completely it wouldn't get rid of class struggle, it would force bourgeoisie to either subsidize the proles subsistence with UBI, so that they could live without a job, or they would try to kill off the proles and make the entire automated economy run for them and them alone… which doesn't make much sense when you consider that our productive capacity is already capable of feeding, clothing, and housing everyone, but the bourgeoisie force artificial scarcity by destroying commodities during a crisis of overproduction, instead of just giving them away.

Who are some socialist writer about digital culture and the internet as a whole. I know its not as on topic but I feel like this would be the best place to ask. Idk, I have been into like Mark Fisher, Nick Land and the CCRU as of late.

>>2792058
>>2800521
shut up tanuki, you're a shitlib. debate BE.

>>2803366
Maybe if you try a couple more times, you can guess the correct ideology and not sound like a complete retard.
Protip: it's obvious

>debate [x]
please don't join the worker movement. stay online, for everyone's sake.

>>2803382
good to know you lurk here. I know what you call yourself, but in practice you're a shitlib with trot tendencies. the rubbish you post is cringe:

> how racist bogans literally everyone hates are australia's biggest threat
> we should have solidarity with the israeli working class because some kid burned their draft card
> bondi means we have to pick a side, and mine's crying over racists that post slurs under pics of dead kids
> the coming anti-semitism laws are awful but anti-semitism is real especially against the people lobbying for them
> we must defend the working class anti-fascist ADF and their dawn service from nazi bogans, I'm doing this while a notorious war criminal is on trial and a whistleblower is in prison

there is no story that is just flat out bad for the right, and too yuck to stick your fat head into to tell everyone your nuanced and objectively right opinion.

I'm not worried about the sub-literates like bec freedum, I'm not worried about people not knowing the subtle differences between liberal and settler zionism. I don't even care about the racists as long as they're still getting locked up. the power in this country is in the hands of mining magnates and corporations, the yanks, the shit imperial laws built into the commonwealth, the israel lobby, the arms industry, the fascist corporate media, and the right wing of the labor party.

you could be calling out real power and authority, but that would take research, legal advice, and some understanding of economics. it's a road where you'd face real pushback. you're never going to put down instagram reels to crack a book or fight a defamation case. you're not a marxist because kapital is too long. instead you devote your life to grifting social media cheques beating down unemployed, methed out, lumpenprole losers who even if they could scrape enough money together to file a case would fuck it up by representing themselves with nonsense from facebook.

useless.

>>2803399
didnt read

>>2803401
that tracks. reading would soak up valuable time that would be better used scrolling insta, ay lad?

>>2799167
bump

>>2799205
golonka
>>2799222
no i slusznie, skonczyl sie patronat stalina trzeba bylo spierdalac spowrotem w sowiety
jakby nie moczar i gomulka to banda brudnych litwakow by nam teraz urzadzala palestyne w kraju
>>2799450
no one's planning a revolution
>>2799675
truth be told she did not acknowledge any nation other than her own

>>2800032
>truth be told she did not acknowledge any nation other than her own
based

>>2799198
retard

>>2799205
Bigos

anyone know enough of pakistani politics to know what this means?

from newsanon's thread:

How Iranian monarchists have targeted anti-war activists

“We’re going to find you, we’re going to rape you, we’re going to kill you.”
This is just one of hundreds of messages that Arjang Alidai, an Iranian-British engineer based in the UK, has received from monarchist compatriots in recent months.
Something more serious then happened. On 22 April, Mohammed Reza, an Iranian father of two demonstrating against the war on Iran outside Downing Street was stabbed multiple times by a counter-protester of Iranian origin.
Iranian monarchists identify as secular and nationalist. They use language and imagery associated with Iran’s pre-Islamic past, including describing themselves as “Children of Cyrus”, referring to Cyrus the Great, the 6th-century BCE founder of the Persian Achaemenid Empire.
Recent videos even show monarchists gathering in British cities clad in black and carrying flags of the Savak, the notorious secret police force under the shah, which imprisoned and tortured political opponents.
The murder in Canada of Masood Masjoodi, an Iranian-Canadian university professor who was a critic of the Iranian government and Reza Pahlavi, highlights how far the monarchist movement can go.
Two individuals, who were known to Masjoodi and who espoused the monarchist cause, have been charged with his murder.
“There’s talk of lists being drawn up in the community,” Mohyeddin tells MEE, referring to people deemed to be legitimate targets for the movement.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-iranian-monarchists-targeted-anti-war-activists

The Azerbaijani Parliament has suspended relations with the European Parliament.

Parliamentarians decided to suspend all ties between the Milli Majlis and the European Parliament after the European Parliament adopted a resolution affirming the right of return of Armenians to Karabakh and demanding the release of Armenian prisoners of war. The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry handed a note of protest to the EU Ambassador.

https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/74890

Türkiye unveils first-ever intercontinental ballistic missile Yildirimhan

Türkiye’s Ministry of National Defense R&D center unveiled Yildirimhan, the nation’s first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), at Istanbul’s SAHA 2026 expo.

According to the technical specification panel displayed at the SAHA 2026 exposition, Yildirimhan has the following characteristics: a range of 6,000 kilometers, a speed of Mach 9 to Mach 25, four liquid-fuel rocket engines and Nitrogen Tetroxide propellant.

https://www.turkiyetoday.com/nation/turkiye-unveils-first-ever-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-yildirimhan-3219431?s=2

from newsanon's thread:

System of sexual torture targeting Palestinians exposed in new report

Israeli detention facilities have been transformed into “spaces isolated from oversight, akin to legal and physical ‘black holes,’” where torture, including rape, genital mutilation and other sexual violence, is carried out systematically and with impunity.
Survivor testimonies describe extreme forms of abuse.
Wajdi, 43, recalled that “during interrogation, they tied me naked to a metal bed, and one of the soldiers asked me how many Israeli women I had raped in Israel.”
“I denied that I had even entered Israel. Then a soldier raped me,” Wajdi said. “I felt severe pain in my anus and screamed, but every time I screamed, I was beaten.”
“The soldier left after ejaculating inside me. I was left in a humiliating position. I wished for death. I was bleeding,” Wajdi said.
“Later, they untied me and brought a dog, which also raped me.”
Multiple survivors also reported being raped by dogs, or witnessing other detainees being assaulted in this way, describing the animals as appearing to be trained for that purpose and used deliberately by soldiers in detention settings.
“One of the dogs then raped me, penetrated my anus in a trained manner while I was being beaten,” Amir, 35, said.
In a separate testimony, A.S., also aged 35, recalled that his captors “forced me to lie down, and a dog climbed on top of me and tried to insert its penis into me. At first, I did not understand what was happening, but then I realized that I was being raped.”

https://electronicintifada.net/content/system-sexual-torture-targeting-palestinians-exposed-new-report/51373

>>2802909
what is the pickled moose cock thing. i asked this last time i a saw you post this. I don't get the reference.

>>2802907
As they say, Trotsky was to the left of Stalin.

I actually have not that much issue with Trot as a whole, what im describing is more modern western 'Trotskyists' like Peter Hitchins.

>>2802907
Without Trotsky there is no Bolshevik revolution
t. leftcom

>>2802910
>t. Illiterate 3rd grader seething about math
Not beating the infantile accusations

>>2802925
Do you believe that you are demonstrating a mature impression to your interlocutors with the quality of your contributions presently?

>>2801763
They have the same food

The solution is Hellenoturkism

Karabordiga

>>2800623
Funny thing about is that it was created as a response to prevent the Greek fascist junta from doing the same after Greece tried to coup the Cypriot government.
Also, like half of Turkey is a settler colony following the genocides during/after WW1

>>2800877
>paliuyghur
reactionary phrase mongering
>>2800634
false premise