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Today a very much of fictitious "value" was loss on them Wall StreetZ thx to Trumpfgd's tariff's on Choynah. The US A"I" conglomerate is a complete bubble. Laydowns going on in the US. Real estate market status in US: fugged.

Let's celebrate the impovireshment of the first world while China keeps rising! Please post them stonks & predictions.

This is a pro-eggplant/brinjal/aubergine 🍆 thread and also anti-tomato 🍅 thread. Please respexts these common sense sensibilities. Thx.
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>>2554155
Here we go

>>2554265
1. that's fake
2. even if it were true, that's a 10% of the openai ipo projection

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>>2555687
Based?

>>2518135
i like how people are describing this as a socialist revolution and not just turning apple consumers into huawei consumers



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Daily reminder that if you aren't:
>reading theory
>organizing your workplace
>lifting weights
>practicing at a gun range
You aren't a communist. You're just a LARPer.
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>lifting weights
get a job and do calethenics

>>2555666
>You aren't a communist.
Good.

>>2555666
>practicing at a gun range
I do this therefore I get extra communist points to my stats which means other anons on leftypol have to defer to me as an authority figure and overall big shot. Yep that's communism… but I want everyone to know when you play around with real firearms it's not all fun and games… it's serious!!!!

>>2555667
Don't you have a gun range there or something




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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2553718
A Western leftist calling anyone a 'liberal' is funny, throughout my posts when did I ever advocate for liberal democracy and capitalism? we don't advocate for democracy, we know it doesn't exist here and is more of a concept. If we were naive idiots like a certain demographic, we would make a big show about how we're going to tear the system down and get arrested, tortured, and killed while our loved ones are buried in ditches. We build real political power, as small as it can be in the most difficult positions.
But I will make one thing clear, when liberal democracy does fall and the world is ruled by strongman caudillos, China will work with them, even if those government are basically Fascist and are openly removing an ethnic group or two and we have learned to accept living under that. It's not easy, but when true violence happens you will become like us, whether you like it or not.

>>2553718
like intersectionality, standpoint theory is a recuperation of marxism. marxism is standpoint theory from the perspective of the universal class in capitalism, the proletariat. and intersectionality was originally that identity is reflected through the prism of class. you are the liberal for ceding ground to them

>>2554099
So you want people to be 'pragmatic' i.e., opportunistic third-positionists with broad ideologies that are just some mix of socialism and nationalism?

>>2554099
>>2555505
In inter-imperialist war and politics, communists should fight for revolutionary defeatism. The urban workers should fight against the Democrats and the rural workers should fight against the Republicans.

>>2553552
>seem to be the exact opposite of chauvinistic
i wish they were, but this has never applied to them from what i've seen. whether it's supporting an irrelevant "pure theory" movement of 3,5 people that has existed for 2 weeks best or supporting popular reactionaries, leftcom style "long live the butcher hitler" done unironically they were/are chauvinists through and through



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David Camfield’s new book, Red Flags: A Reckoning with Communism for the Future of the Left, is a concise and insightful intervention into the renewed debates on the legacy of AES. Red Flags analyzes the revolutionary transformations that shaped the unique forms of class rule in the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, and Cuba in order to demolish anticommunist and “anti-anticommunist mythologies surrounding these societies.

Following economist Jacques Sapir, Camfield characterizes AES regimes as “mobilization economies,” in which the state mobilized “all available resources, on a non-commercial basis.” The regimes prioritized the geopolitical interests of their respective party-state bureaucracies by imposing distinct forms of “state capitalism.”

While Camfield’s “reconstructed historical materialist” analysis and lessons he draws for the Left are mostly spot-on, his use of state capitalism as a framework to understand AES is less convincing. In this review, I will briefly summarize Camfield’s central arguments about AES before discussing their broader theoretical and political implications.

Why wasn’t AES socialism?

Camfield locates the renewed interest in AES regimes in anti-anticommunism. Since Western anticommunists (of liberal and conservative variants) have equated communism with fascism, the decline of the neoliberal consensus that followed the Soviet Union’s collapse paved the way for the revival of anti-anticommunism.

Camfield argues this tendency grew among certain Maoist currents in the 1960s’ New Left and has become more prominent as the disillusionment with neoliberal capitalism has led many to a search for alternatives in recent years. Anti-anticommunists’ nostalgic embrace of rival regimes to Western capitalism (including AES regimes, but often other developmentalist regimes too) raises real problems for the socialist left today as apologism for class oppression under AES regimes becomes more widespread.

Contrary to the claims of their proponents, the bureaucratic one-party regimes governing AES societies never aimed for democratic workers’ control or the abolition of exploitation and oppression. Camfield shows how workers experienced forms of political and economic domination under state managers who pursued economic goals that mimicked capitalist growth.

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>state capitalism
yawn

>uncritical embrace of so-called actually existing socialism
yawn yawn

Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?
No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society.
In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

- Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847

Our theory is a theory of evolution, not a dogma to be learned by heart and to be repeated mechanically. The less it is drilled into the Americans from outside and the more they test it with their own experience […] the deeper will it pass into their flesh and blood. When we returned to Germany, in spring 1848, we joined the Democratic Party as the only possible means of getting the ear of the working class; we were the most advanced wing of that party, but still a wing of it. When Marx founded the International, he drew up the General Rules in such a way that all working-class socialists of that period could join it – Proudhonists, Pierre Lerouxists and even the more advanced section of the English Trades Unions; and it was only through this latitude that the International became what it was, the means of gradually dissolving and absorbing all these minor sects, […] Had we from 1864, to 1873 insisted on working together only with those who openly adopted our platform where should we be to-day? I think that all our practice has shown that it is possible to work along with the general movement of the working class at every one of its stages without giving up or hiding our own distinct position and even organisation […]

- Friedrich Engels, Letter to Florence Kelley Wischnewetsky, January 27, 1887

To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock comPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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What do you bros think of this chart? Good or bad? I discovered it while browsing the internet on acid. I actually took it serious over the last year because I'm insane. Was I an idiot?
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>>2555288
>evola bullshit, reactoids and orthodox christianity in "enlightened"/"goytoys"
>distinguishing between anally probed and not anally probed alien abductees
>unironic neo-nazis and reactionaries being somehow "better" than nihilists and feminists
<no mahayana buddhism despite other vehicles mentioned
not leftist at all. closer to dugin which is often mistaken for a leftist or a based anti-imperialist by "patsoc" westoids that have no idea what they're talking about
>>2555280
dugin claims to be influenced by schizoanalysis and debord, too

>>2555602
Either way it's slop garbage either by schizophrenics or ironypoisoned retards

>>2555611
>ironypoisoned retards
mostly this. memed themselves into becoming a run off the mill reactionary

>>2555614
Many such cases.

This chart reminds me of bizarre nonsensical charts that AI chatbots tend to create. Maybe it was AI generated, but maybe it doesn't even matter - maybe there's no meaningful difference between the output of a broken LLM and the output of a broken human brain that has been poisoned by social media; they're both just random noise generators now.



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>In 1848, Schopenhauer witnessed violent upheaval in Frankfurt after General Hans Adolf Erdmann von Auerswald and Prince Felix Lichnowsky were murdered. He became worried for his own safety and property. […] He gave a friendly welcome to Austrian soldiers who wanted to shoot revolutionaries from his window and as they were leaving he gave one of the officers his opera glasses to help him monitor rebels. The rebellion passed without any loss to Schopenhauer and he later praised Alfred I, Prince of Windisch-Grätz, for restoring order. He even modified his will, leaving a large part of his property to a Prussian fund that helped soldiers who became invalids while fighting rebellion in 1848 or the families of soldiers who died in battle.
Ah, so he was actively reactionary, as his class position, and his actions to defend his class position reveal.
>As Young Hegelians were advocating change and progress, Schopenhauer claimed that misery is natural for humans and that, even if some utopian society were established, people would still fight each other out of boredom, or would starve due to overpopulation.
Ohh… it's just… umm…. humans are gonna be miserable no matter what…. please don't make me lose my property…. I'm so miserable with all this property…. Prussian soldiers…. please defend my property from the rabble…. who are definitely just as miserable in poverty as I am in wealth… oh heavens…. I … ohh…..
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>>2552978
>yeah kanye is a nazi klansman but he made graduation
trve trve

>>2536644
Huh? I thought it was pretty well known that he was a quietist and by definition automatically a reactionary.
His bitter hatred for Hegel and German idealists, Love for monarchy, views on women, etc. He was a certified reactionary.
Shame, I liked his books and was highly fascinated by his philosophy.

>>2536678
> the ethical pursuit of personal goodness must be accompanied by a commitment to social justice, ensuring that all individuals have access to the education and resources
Such a straightforward and clear position arising from the basic principles of Buddhism yet so many failed to see it and Buddhism's history with socialism and progressivism is so sparse……..
Really wonderous how mitigated and meaningless religious teachings become once they're in the hands of a greedy authority.

>>2537008
I remember the despair I felt after seeing this photo on wikipedia's article for autism.
I used to stack up and order basically everything and was well known for it by family. It was like a person with down syndrome looking in a mirror for the first time

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>>2555608
>Buddhism's history with socialism
t. norodom sihanouk
roerichism is somewhat related but is too orientalist in comparison



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>>2553678
>abandon teutono-bolshevik blather for Anglo Saxon common sense!

>>2553678
> when marxism cant explain the rate of pay for "unproductive" enterprises, it begins to lose legitimacy.
unproductive isn't a pejorative, so I don't understand why you're putting it in scare quotes. Marx is pretty clear that they're paid a portion of the surplus value expropriated from commodity production.

>>2554266
ah, but we shan't praise the saxon too keenly, for the scottish enlightenment was celtic. it was originally the saxons who sought to overthrow the "norman yoke" by returning to the "ancient liberties" of england, but it was only in the next century that we got smith and hume from the north, after the english parliament gave the throne to a dutchman.
>>2554691
>unproductive isn't a pejorative, so I don't understand why you're putting it in scare quotes.
it isnt descriptive either, as ive explained. "productivity" is determined by purchase. the difference between marginal and total product serve to illustrate this point: >>2550291
in the classical theory, "productive labour" translates to (TP), while "unproductive labour" translates to (MP). this is why as jevons says, total utility (TU) and marginal utility (MU) are in antagonism, between what smith calls "value in use" (TU) and "value in exchange" (MU).
>Marx is pretty clear that they're paid a portion of the surplus value expropriated from commodity production
this is irrelevant to determing the price of commodities and the legitimacy of the price thereof. what makes a price either "real" or "imaginary"? thats the question.

>>2555140
>ah, but we shan't praise the saxon too keenly, for the scottish enlightenment was celtic. it was originally the saxons who sought to overthrow the "norman yoke" by returning to the "ancient liberties" of england, but it was only in the next century that we got smith and hume from the north, after the english parliament gave the throne to a dutchman.
it's kind of funny saxons wanted to overthrow the norman yoke, but the saxons were themselves once invaders of england, and before them the romans. are english people even indigenous to england? the framework of indigenous-ness (indigeneity?) is used to a lot on the left because of settler colonialism in places like the USA and Israel, but the further back in history you go, the less clear this framework becomes

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>>2555140
>it isnt descriptive either, as ive explained. "productivity" is determined by purchase. the difference between marginal and total product serve to illustrate this point: >>2550291
>in the classical theory, "productive labour" translates to (TP), while "unproductive labour" translates to (MP). this is why as jevons says, total utility (TU) and marginal utility (MU) are in antagonism, between what smith calls "value in use" (TU) and "value in exchange" (MU).
explain this like i'm the guy in the picture



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marx's statement that "everything melts into air" and "everything holy is profaned" under capitalist relations appears to be completely false. in all reality, capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity. we are not more enlightened than the ancients and history does not resemble social progress.
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You mean the same Marx who called the idealist leftlibs of his time "Saints"?

Yet another thing Marx failed to consider 😢

>>2536352
>capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity
>we are not more enlightened than the ancients
bruh they used to believe that the sun revolved around the earth and diseases were caused by demons
stop being retarded

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>>2536352
Unrelated to the question. But how are we allowed to post images of antique roman vessels depicting the sodomisation of catamites, but not overly stylized cartoon drawings of the same thing? Are mods really that pernicious to modern art? I saw a similar thread that made this point before. I bet I could post a Balthus painting without issue.

>capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity
Not even remotely true. We are not sending 100,000 children to war in Jerusalem because the Pope lied and said the Antichrist was there. We are not burning thousands at the stake for practicing medicine. Get a hold of yourself

The religious larp in modernity is a facade. The rise of fascist mythology is a performance. It's just something they use to cope in modern society, like how women use astrology. They're not going to go to kill themselves for it.

>we are not more enlightened than the ancients and history does not resemble social progress.

Now ironically, YOU'RE acting like the fascist with this stupid, nazi shit. Technology immediately debunks anything you say.

>>2536352
>In all reality, capitalism has given us the most conservative, religious and superstitious era in all humanity.
Bro they read the blood spills of goat guts before battle 2500 years ago. What the fuck do you mean?



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Revolution almost always requires a brutal civil war so that a new society emerges from it. But the ideal of a new society never emerges immadietly after. We see it with the french revolution, and then the russian revolution. The american revolution seems like an exemption from this. Why is that?
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>>2555229

how do you propose the soviet communist party woudn't have disintergrated?

unless you are a MLoid

>>2553637
With AI powered mass surveillance the age of revolutions is over.

How come socialists are like "multiparty democracy is the perfect system to solidify capitalist rule wow they're so clever" but then they don't implement their own multiparty democracy to solidify their rule.

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>>2555357
We already did

>>2555364
But they lost to treatlerism.



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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Warum lässt sich Deutschland von den USA die Gasleitung zerballern, ohne sich in irgendeiner Weise darüber zu beschweren?

>>2547573
Vasallenstaat

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TOTAL ALMAN DEATH

>>2554989
Nimm mal deine Tabletten, Diggi.



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