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>The majority of your socialist party votes in favor of war with Russia and France
>Abstain from the vote because you don't want to split the party
>Adhere to the principle of Democratic Centralism and keep the vote totals secret for years
>Become horrified by the war, work dutifully with Bernstein and other centrists to try and broker peace
>Get slandered by generations of Trotskyists for "supporting World War I"

Why'd it have to be this way, bros?
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The mere fact that pro-war socialists could easily dig up Marx and Engels quotes to justify their position indicates that their position may not be perfect. You could claim that Marx and Engels would have thrown out these views if they had been alive to see the material conditions a couple decades later and so on, but I'm more inclined to stand with Rosa Luxemburg and admit that they were wrong on a few key political issues.

In Louis Boudin's defense, he did oppose WW1 as imperialist


>The mere fact that pro-war socialists could easily dig up Marx and Engels quotes to justify their position indicates that their position may not be perfect
No, it just means that you can cherry pick quotes from anything to support literally any position.


Marx and Engels supported some foreign conflicts at times but they never abandoned socialism and internationalism. The 1914 socialists did.


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>thinking the 'independence and territorial integrity of the nation' is at all affected by which porkoid rulers are in charge


>Marx and Engels supported some foreign conflicts at times but they never abandoned socialism and internationalism.
I was not accusing them of abandoning socialism, but their ambiguous views on war made it very easy for state-loyalist socialists to quote them in support of WW1. This is one issue where the quotes definitely aren't "cherrypicked". Defenses of their views that still maintain an anti-war stance have to rely on changing dynamics of capitalism, with a new "stage" of imperialism and so on. Instead of that, I think it's better to just outright say they were wrong in advising Liebknecht and Bebel to vote for German war credits in 1870 and take a more resolute stand against imperialist war.

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What are some essential "tankie" books. Planning on making a chart based on creditability, politics and that of readability. For starters Blackshirts and reds is a must read then probably some actual accounts of the Soviet Union, Human rights in the Soviet Union and the of Soviet Democracy.


Accounts of Stalin such as "stalin a political biography" by Issac Deutscher is a must read


Red sun over China
Another view on Stalin
Red shirts and blacks


I'm gonna read this now because this seems to accord with my thinking about Stalin.

>If one individual was behind all these achievements and deserved the topmost honour among many others, it was Josef Viktor Stalin and none else. But what Isaac Deutscher has written doesn't sound like a hagiography. It doesn't have the pretensions of an epic story of a nation led by an illustrious ruler who led by example and inspiration. Stalin is presented more often as a prisoner of circumstances but someone who had the guts and faculties to acquit himself admirably. He did whatever he thought was right at a particular circumstance and whatever followed only validated his judgement. His drive to industrialize USSR was scoffed at initially but he was proven right when Hitler invaded the empire. Russia's industrial capacity single-handedly came to her rescue and despite sustaining enormous losses, she managed to strangle her invader only because she had a massive industrial infrastructure to lean on.

>Stalin's ruthlessness on his rivals as well as his fellow travellers can also be understood only through the sweep of the circumstances of the revolution and not certainly by magnifying into the workings of an evil brain. Stalin was evil no doubt and suspicious for a good part of his rule but the force of circumstances could not leave him at peace to behave otherwise. He did what an astute ruler would do in his place not willing to consider what a man of scruple would have done. He gave 'survival' among all other priorities the foremost place and what he did then can be justified only to that extent.

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Anything related to Latinamerica, let's unite in discussion while the CIA-funded military hasn't decide to torture us to death for the time being. Feel free to speak engl*sh. Stop voting, gringos.

Para luego buscarlo en el catálogo:
Latinoamérica, Latin America, LATAM, /lat/, latinoamérica, latino américa, hispanoamerica, /ñ/

Cómo traemos a más hispanohablantes aquí?
Inviten a gente de izquierda de facebook, instagram, twitter, MSN, fotolog, whatsapp, etc.

Hilo anterior: >>1080162
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Dep Peru, Fijimori 2.0 viene en camino :^(


he is essentially implementing the world Bank's economic program for Colombia, the fascist press is already calling it a great measure, Sorry to break your bubble anon, translate and read the article, he will delink inflation and the minimum wage, a measure so fucked up, not even Alvaro Uribe himself, the right wing super popular expresidente could pull off


Is there any peruvian party or group that deserves my support?


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>Your support


The man was milk toast from what the anons where saying here and he's now in jaill anyways

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>30% - the people in government are too often interested in looking after themselves, rather than can be trusted to do the right thing
>54% - the government is run by a few big interests looking out for themselves
>70% - satisfied with democracy
Ahhh, you gotta laugh


Called off due to successful bargaining.



yeah but also win



Next, Nike and other major brands continue to profit as Sri Lankan garment workers face in-work poverty
MAJOR retail brands such as Next and Nike are continuing to profit while Sri Lankan garment workers in their supply chains face in-work poverty, according to War on Want. A British trade union delegation organised by social justice charity War on Want, including Unite and the Scottish TUC, met with workers, unions and women-led movements in Sri Lanka during November. Speaking at a press conference on Friday, Ruth Ogier, the justice campaign’s head of programmes, said: “Western fashion brands must increase pay for their workers by sharing their vast profits with those who generate them.”

Assembly Polls: BJP Set for Record Win in Gujarat; Loses Himachal Pradesh to Congress
The ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was set for a record win in Gujarat, leading in 156 seats, beating the record of the Congress party’s Madhavsinh Solnaki who had won 149 seats in the 182-member House in 1985. Congress, on its part, has put up its poorest show ever in the western state, leading in only 17 seats.

Bangladesh’s RAB received foreign intelligence training in the EU
The RAB as an organisation and seven individuals currently or formerly working for it were sanctioned in December 2021 by the United States under the Global Magnitsky Act for their alleged involvement in human rights abuses. The following year, nine members of the RAB, including one of the seven individuals sanctioned by the US, received training or other services in the Netherlands and Poland.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/8/bangladeshs-rab-received-foreign-intPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


House sends marriage equality bill to Biden's desk
The passage of the Respect for Marriage Act marks Congress' first successful legislative response to Dobbs v. Jackson, the Supreme Court decision earlier this year that overturned Roe v. Wade. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in a concurring opinion in the case that the court should revisit several other landmark cases — including Obergefell v. Hodges, which legalized gay marriage.

US agency moves to block landmark merger of Microsoft and Activision Blizzard
The US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has moved to block Microsoft’s takeover of video game company Activision Blizzard, citing concerns that the deal would thwart competition by denying rivals access to popular gaming content. Microsoft, which owns the Xbox video game console system, said in January 2022 that it would buy Activision for $68.7bn, which would make it the biggest gaming industry deal in history. Activision is the maker of popular games including Call of Duty and World of Warcraft.

New York Times journalists, other workers on 24-hour strike
More than 1,000 New York Times journalists and other staff walked off the job for 24 hours Thursday, frustrated by contract negotiations that have dragged on for months in the newspaper’s biggest labor dispute in more than 40 years.

DOJ warns Supreme Court against ‘overly broad’ Section 230 reading in Google case
The Department of Justice (DOJ) is warning the Supreme Court against using an “overly broad” interpretation of a provision that provides tech companies a legal liability shield over content posted by third parties. The DOJ issued the warning in a brief about a case relating to Google Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


> He said his credit is so poor because he “ran up a lot of debt running for Congress for a year and a half.”
Is this guy any good?


A summit can’t save the world, but it can make things worse
While an estimated one million species face a risk of extinction, a United Nations biodiversity summit being held in Montreal this week says it’s working on a plan to preserve life on Earth.  Inside a downtown conference centre, thousands of representatives from civil society and governments are debating the details of a sprawling set of proposals spanning resource extraction, genetic engineering, and controversial financing schemes. Outside, thousands are sounding the alarm to denounce an approach they say in effect will fuel corporate profits but degrade biodiversity globally. The UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) was signed in 1993, and has been adopted by 196 countries. The United States is one of only four UN member states that has not opted in.  The CBD holds Conference of Parties (COP) meetings every few years, where decisions can influence legislation worldwide. The current COP session will run until December 19. Experts and civil society groups denounced the CBD’s reliance on financing schemes like offsets, and worry that the growing presence of corporate lobbyists will result in loopholes, watered-down targets and dead-end technofixes. Critics also say parts of the framework ignore Indigenous title and create a “perverse conflict of interest” for governments who are heavily invested in resource extraction. 

Venezuela: why the rift between its communists and the Maduro government?
Events since February 2018 have turned Communist Party criticisms of Maduro’s PSUV government into the outright condemnation voiced at the PCV’s 16th congress in early November this year. With much of the country’s oil wealth draining away in low-price subsidies to the private sector, interest payments on unproductive loans, rising rents and royalties to big landowners and in fraud and corruption, workers had the value of their wages slashed and labour rights suspended as prices, living costs and unemployment rocketed. …. Since seeing off the pretend president, President Maduro has launched a national “reconciliation and peace” process with some right-wing parties and employers, culminating in a “social agreementPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Dropped Palestinian solidarity from his platform after Zionists gave him money.



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Thanks News Anon


Crimes of the English-Speaking Peoples

>Piecing together survivor testimonies and expert analysis from British and Kenyan historians, this film tells a complete and detailed story for the first time of how Britain was involved in systemic torture – including accounts of murders, rapes and forced castrations.


>Between 12 and 29 million Indians died of starvation while it was under the control of the British Empire, as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India.

>In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Winston Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.
>Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”


I've heard it said that everything Stalin was accused of Churchill actually did.


did churchill kill the irish kulaks

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Previous bread: >>1212486

Links from previous bread:
Tudeh statement: >>1188493
CPI statement: https://archive.ph/twWSK
CPI's Kurdish branch: https://archive.ph/u9iy3
CPI (MLM): https://archive.ph/1cQji
UPFI: https://archive.ph/1WMfD
Rahe Kargar: https://archive.ph/Fx9cT
WPI-H: https://archive.ph/xvAbH
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read Marx you ignorant doorknob


how is it relevant?



IDK Dumb faggot, this is a thread about Iran.
Go back to burgoid general. retard.




Common Right Wing L.

Who's behind the plot to overthrow the German government | DW News

3000 police officers deployed in raids over plot to overthrow German government | DW News

Heinrich XIII: the Prince Suspected of Plotting to Be German Kaiser in Coup
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>right wingers trying to coup a different kind of also rightwing government


>Minsk entstand weil die deutsche Bourgeoisie gespaltene Interessen sowohl Ost- als auch Westwärts hat.
Konkret wie soll Minsk den ostwärtigen Interessen der deutschen Bourgeoisie förderlich gewesen sein? Bei Nord Stream ist bzw. war es ja offensichtlich, was Minsk betrifft hab ich Probleme einen mittelbaren Zusammenhang zu erkennen, zumal die ostwärtigen Interessen der deutschen Bourgeoisie mit dem Maidan und der anschließenden Machtergreifung der Nazis anscheinend gar keine Probleme hatten.
>Die deutsche Politik wollte auf zwei Klavieren spielen
Trifft auf Brandt, Kohl, Schröder zu, Merkel und ihre Mannschaft im AA hab ich bis vor kurzem auch zu dieser Riege gerechnet, nach diesem Interview in der Zeit erscheint es mir zumindest fraglich. Die CDU ist auch immer sehr transatlantisch ausgerichtet gewesen.


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Fash have always ruled the FRG.


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Germany in dire need of denazification even today..


And people accuse us of infighting

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I have to admit that i'm potentially a dumb low autism score schizo but i've just randomly seen a trailer to this polish video game about hypothetical world war 3 and since polish gamedev is subsidized by the polish government i thought that it is potentially an elaborate piece of propaganda kind of like Call of Duty.
The question that i have in my head is why they suddenly decided to focus on North/South Koreas and China now?
Do poles think that the conflict in Korea will re-ignite some time in the future?

In general what are the chances that the war between North/South Koreas will start in 2023?


>Nearly 8,000 tech and biotech workers have lost their jobs at companies including Meta, Oracle, Twitter, Lyft, Roku, Seagate, PayPal and GoFundMe in layoffs big enough to trigger regulatory notification.
<“Things are not headed in a positive direction,” said Bay Area Council economist Jeff Bellisario. “These numbers are getting larger. We’re in for more pain.”

So now that the tech field is laying people off and the PMCs are btfo, will tech workers finally unionize now that they are being proletarianized properly?(schizophrenic spam)
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Tech bros are libertarian scum
And deserve what they get .


>Sorry to hear mate. From one of the big ones?
Nope, just some shitty late stage startup that was pretty much dead in the water and this latest downturn killed it. I'm getting a decent severance package so it's actually pretty nice.

>Tech bros are libertarian scum
My last team was split between demsuccs and outright fashoids. The fashoids kept trying to tell me "bro we basically own the means of production we don't need MARXIST socialism bro" while pointing to our company Macbooks and saying how Mexico and China needed to be defeated in a big war.


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he probably means the rate of profit rather than interest rates, but it's nice to see that porky is scared


The techies made a big oopsie when they got on their hype train in their 1970s hobbyist days to the software era of the 80s and the tech explosion of the 90s and early 2000s. Tech workers should've been unionizing from the jump. The tech startup bubble was just one long and slow collapse. Marxists have been vindicated once again. It made sense in the 70s and 80s why tech workers didn't try much to unionize and it's because they were riding a wave and of course the 80s anti union and neoliberalism. While that's the material explanation for lack of unionization amongst tech workers, it doesn't excuse that to this very day tech workers still think they can revitalize the tech bubble of the 80s 90s and 2000s. It's over bitches, it's over.


tech workers were mostly lolberts and still are AFAIK, with the rest being wokelibs

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