/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

AI has already failed at automating the white collar work it was supposed to

>>2910302
No. If we are were all as based as the Houthis we could seize the means of product no problem. The problem is that the left is totally demoralised.

Perhaps the only thing that "AI" is good for is further demoralizing people. I mean look at this thread.

I think people have misunderstood "labor" as something which only brings commodities into existence. Instead of labor as something which reproduces a particular social order (which is something Marx argued as well in his own words).
This does not end because AI exists or "automates" entire industries. Anymore than looms did or coal powered engines.
There will continue to be "jobs" even if these jobs contribute very little to the base "necessities" of life, as long as they're required to reproduce the social order, and people need to work them in order to survive. If you want a pre-modern example of this, think of the Church, and religion in general, and all the work involved. As an institution it perpetuated a particular social order and provided jobs which people were forced through necessity to work in order to survive.

>>2910342
>Not until they make robots that can work blue collar jobs and do repairs.
AI is more than just text or funny meme images. It can be used to create movement that was previously impossible in robots.

>>2906719
involved*

>>2875814
There's no use in trying to simulate anything. Simulations will never perfectly reproduce reality. It is thermodynamically impossible.

>>2908045
i once edited videos for a youtuber as a side gig and he made me use these licensed websites even when I told him there was free stuff on archive. then it would often burn through his credits and fail to download anyway. one of the stupidest motherfuckers I have ever worked for.

>>2854866
>Can you highlight the Hegelian logic in Capital for me, please?

Here's an excerpt from chapter 1 with a footnote:

>Since the relative form of value of a commodity – the linen, for example – expresses the value of that commodity, as being something wholly different from its substance and properties, as being, for instance, coat-like, we see that this expression itself indicates that some social relation lies at the bottom of it. With the equivalent form it is just the contrary. The very essence of this form is that the material commodity itself – the coat – just as it is, expresses value, and is endowed with the form of value by Nature itself. Of course this holds good only so long as the value relation exists, in which the coat stands in the position of equivalent to the linen.[22]

Here's the footnote:

>22. Such expressions of relations in general, called by Hegel reflex categories, form a very curious class. For instance, one man is king only because other men stand in the relation of subjects to him. They, on the contrary, imagine that they are subjects because he is king.

Its kinda weird but since larouche died his movement has gone even more schizo or became MAGA

Its really funny since they believe the Iran war is actually good because instead of a land occuption force destroying the country, its a "stragetic" battle between the american system and iran, thats good or somethimg

>>2907730
>larouchites have become magatards
Is this real keeek no way I thought nothing changed for the larouchites since like the 2000s

>>2907731
Larouches have split into Xi simps and trump simps
>Although alot could be said about the similarities between LPAC and TLO/SI such as both claiming to represent the mission of the late Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., support for authoritarian leaders, opposition to climate change, etc. There are emerging differences and I wanted to list them. Here's my top ten feel free to add. Man114, can you pin?
>LPAC
-Promotes Trump as the new Larouche
-Largely focused on domestic politics
-Appeals to baser instincts as a recruitment strategy (hate, anger)
-Narrowly focused on recruiting one constituency: Trump's base (MAGA Republicans)
-Largely concentrated on the West Coast U.S. A.
-Cult of personality (Trump) is not their organization's leader
-Has a narrow domestic agenda: 2nd Trump term, Trump dominated GOP, Republicans in control of Congress
-Ashamed of LaRouche's socialist/Democratic Party past
-Outlet for Pro-Trump right-wing propaganda
-promotes "America First" LaRouchism as a national program

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>>2908019
IVE heard of the SI I feel like LPAC is more faithful to larouche(since larouche wouldve probably done tgis) while SI is more closely aligned with ACP but with bigger deviations from Marxism
I have heard that Caleb maupin is the modern larouche which I actually agree with because they’re both weird in their views larp as labor Union bros and even down to the sex cults

>>2908065
Caleb isnt a fascist that beats CPUSA members doe

A vast majority of the world's population can't afford the services of these highly paid professionals.

>>2910589
Is cuba producing petty porkies by training doctors?

Your terminology sucks.

>>2910594
No because healthcare is seized by the state there

>>2910589
>petty bourgesisie production, it feels like theres to many people going into law, psyche, bussiness, and medical so the entire job market
Thats not what it means. Petit-bourgeoisie are small business owners. Doctors are just well paid proles.

>>2910605
what about lawyers doe

Trvth

So true queen

>>2909173
/pol/ has been a racist shithole long before any takeover

I am American. I was raised to be a liberal by a broken working class family full of white and black bastards from the South. I was raised by grandparents after my mulatto single mother failed to raise me on her own (late teen pregnancy situation; barely legal). She wanted to abort me but couldn't afford it. The man who got her pregnant was a white possibly autistic (not diagnosed but everyone suspects it) failson who was almost 30 and self-ostracized from a very liberal-democrat but nevertheless very rich bourgeois family. I have a very loose relationship with both of my biological parents and both of them are quite incompetent in their own unique ways. My mother was a teen runaway and did a lot of drugs and had a lot of bad shit happen to her. My dad was a white dork who had life handed to him on a silver platter and still somehow fucked up because he's a lazy nerd who can't keep a job. They are both gen X, but on opposite ends of gen X due to the age gap.

All this to say I was raised lib. But in a very unusual situation, and with a lot of peripheral family members being working class chuds like my uncle who is a trump voter and a bit of a racist despite having asian people and black people who are his blood relatives. Despite being raised to be a lib by my grandparents, my mother is an anarchist and my father at one point believed in "horseshoe theory" until Trump derangement syndrome made him realize in his 50s that horseshoe theory is stupid.

But I discovered Communism after basically constantly getting accused of being communist while describing my political thoughts online. This was back in the mid to late 00s because I am no longer young. But I discovered communism. Turns out the people who accused me of being Communist didn't actually know what Communism is, and think social democracy is Communism. But thanks to them I had my curiosity piqued and started reading Marx.

Am I still Communist? Well that's a different story. But I will never be a liberal, anarchist, conservative, or reactionary. I am probably some kind of strange synthesis of social democrat and Communist. I don't think we are going to get anything like the 20th century Marxist-Leninist regimes again, but I also realize the point people make about the imperial core lifestyle being unsustainable and social democracy being the moderate wing of fascism. I can't be an anarchist because they strike me as having no real theory, just vague anti-authoritarian feeliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2907754
>Both my parents are card-carrying members of the country's Communist Party who made major sacrifices for what they believed in. The entirety of my mother's side of the family were Communists, including my maternal grandfather and great-grandfather. They were persecuted by the security services. Fired from their jobs, exiled from the country, imprisoned, tortured, etc. Both my parents had warrants out for their arrest, with the implication that they would be executed.
It must be an honor to be their child. May you follow in their footsteps.
>None of that matters because online Western Marxists would still call my parents "chuds"
I am an online western Marxist and I do not call your parents chuds.
>because they don't [missing word] LGBT or Jews or some other trivial stuff lol
I assume you meant to say "because they don't like LGBT or Jews" here but I have no basis for that assumption other than the context of the post. Again I do not call your parents chuds, but I hope you appreciate the analysis which follows.
>LGBT or Jews
not the same thing. one is just an acronym for being Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or Transgender. It is not a "think tank" or an "ideology" it is literally just an acronym for a rather arbitrary subset of sexual minorities. It has no class content because class content is not specified. A lesbian chosen at random could be from any socioeconomic class. Making "LGBT" the focal point of an analysis by default ignores class and it should be criticized as a framework on that basis, rather than some much weaker basis…. like "LGBT is bourgeois" (it isn't; it has no class content specified) or "LGBT people area all liberals" (they're not) or "LGBT is western decadence" (that is just stupid because LGBT people have always existed everywhere in the world).
>Jews
This is an ethnoreligious diasporic group originally from the levant, but who are now multiethnic due to centuries of diaspora following the destruction of the 2nd temple by the Roman empire, some Jews are secular, other Jews are not. A Jew could be a "Jew" like Marx, i.e. someone who is treated as Jewish in the historical record despite openly rejecting the Jewish religion and even rejectinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2910039
Cultural issues are a major focal point of New Left-derived thought, which is the dominant strain of leftism in the West today. Having multiple points of analyses dilutes revolutionary potential because it creates a purist effect that inevitably alienates large swathes of the proletariat who would otherwise be sympathetic towards class conflict. This is partly, in my view, why Western leftism has been so effectively neutered (labor aristocracy effect also plays a role too). It's thus no coincidence that this redirection towards pointless cultural quibbles was almost entirely engineered by OSS and CIA "academic" spooks.
Human agency is mediated by material conditions; prejudices, no matter how rational or irrational, are partly the product of one's environment. Shaming these prejudices is thus counterproductive, in my opinion. We should instead address the conditions that produces these prejudices in the first place. The "chuds" may be xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, or whatever, but they nevertheless feel the contradictions of capitalism the same as we do. The modern Western left, with its puritanical focus on culture, only pushes these "chuds" into the arms of reactionary populism. A proper left-wing movement should build on shared material grievances and majoritarian class politics that can absorb cultural differences.
>I don't think anyone on this website rejects that idea, since it is probably the fundamental thesis of this website.
This website is also incredibly niche in the grand scheme of things. However, the undertones of idpol on here does exist, albeit it's much less pronounced compared to IRL leftism. However, even on this site, people are very tribal in their material interpretations of the political economy. Leftcoms versus MLs versus anarchists. First Worldists versus Third Worldists.

>>2910004
Right. people who say the opposite don't remember what it was during the Trayvon Martin case.
It was more socially liberal live and let live than now but still very racist.

>>2909891
>I lost all respect for cucktin after that pinochet quote.
Why? You said in the Iran thread that all third world communists should be killed so you have the same politics as Pinochet

>>2901413
> The man was also firmly socially conservative and-
I here i stopped reading, why do you, presumebly a westerner in your twentys to thirties so keen on having the politics of sum russian boomer bruh, fuck off

>>2909898
>all third world communists should be killed
Why are most of these "third world communists" fighting against countries who are in conflict with the west?
Why are "third world communists" not fighting the west?
<that post in case anyone is curious

>>2909931
>I have presumed something I understand to be contradictory and I'm mad about it
diaper behavior

Stalin literally save liberal democracy in Europe

>>2908848
Lenin was a socdem too. The Bolsheviks were astroturfed by the Tsarist Okhrana first and then the German Foreign Office during WW1

>>2908834
>why does american maoism exist
to do national liberation against le epstein class

America lacks Trotskyism (due to having a comparatively weak ML movement even before the Second Red Scare) so when the 60s rolled around Maoism filled the vacuum.

>>2909186
marge trotskyism is strong in amerikka

NASA Map Shows Impact of Water Crisis on Tens of Thousands of Puerto Ricans
Meteorologist Wright told Newsweek that the latest drought situation in Puerto Rico is “definitely one of the fastest onsets.” He noted that just three months ago, only about a third of Puerto Rico was considered “abnormally dry,” whereas around 40 percent is now classified as being in extreme drought. According to Wright, “the recent spike is the most dramatic.” A new analysis report prepared for Newsweek by geoscientist Elena Maksimovich, CTO and head of climate data at Everloop, a sustainability and climate-risk consultancy, found that the summer of 2026 in Puerto Rico was exceptionally dry, though not unprecedented.
https://www.newsweek.com/nasa-map-shows-puerto-rico-extreme-severe-drought-conditions-12412340
https://archive.ph/OBVGz

New lawsuit filed against Cesar Chavez, alleging sexual assault, union cover up
The lawsuit revolves around an 86-year-old woman named only as Jane Doe suing the Cesar Chavez Foundation, the late labor leader’s estate and the United Farm Workers Foundation, saying Chavez raped her in 1973. The woman, who now lives in San Bernadino County according to the suit, is suing the three entities for negligence, negligent supervision, negligent infliction of emotional stress, sexual harassment, violation of Bane Act and the violating of Unruh Act.
https://www.kget.com/news/local-news/new-lawsuit-filed-against-cesar-chavez-alleging-sexual-assault-union-cover-up/
https://archive.ph/fbcL5

Teachers union reaches AI privacy deal with Microsoft
The AI privacy standard consists of 10 legally enforceable protections, including an agreement by the tech giant to not use student or teacher data to train or improve an AI model, with the exception of “narrow safety and security” circumstances, according to a Microsoft fact sheet shared with POLITICO.
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Mass Arrests in Jakarta
According to the information currently available, 322 protesters were detained by the Jakarta Metropolitan Police (Polda Metro Jaya) in connection with the demonstration on 27-28 August 2026. Of those detained, 273 people have been released, while 49 people remain in custody. Of the 49 people still detained, 44 are adults and 5 are minors. The legal status of each detainee should be made transparent, including the grounds for detention, the charges brought against them, and their access to legal assistance and representation. At the same time, serious questions remain regarding the alleged involvement of mass organizations or groups seen wearing white headbands in the incident that resulted in the death of Bambang Setiyawan. If evidence indicates their involvement in violence, all parties implicated should be investigated through a transparent, independent, and impartial legal process. It is unacceptable for law enforcement to take harsh measures against protesters while other parties allegedly involved in violence are not subjected to equally serious investigation. The law must apply equally to everyone, regardless of political affiliation, organizational membership, clothing, social status, or position.
https://organisemagazine.org.uk/2026/09/03/mass-arrests-in-jakarta/

KKE on AfD surge in Germany: Capitalist exploitation and imperialist rivalries fuel the far-right
“The attack on workers’ and people’s rights by the bourgeois political forces — liberals, social democrats, the pseudo-‘left’ and others — the sharpening social contradictions in every country on the terrain of capitalist exploitation and imperialist rivalries, combined with the absence of a strong, class-oriented labour and communist movement, are the factors that, in Germany and elsewhere, are ‘pushing’ disappointed sections of the people into the nets of far-right and supposedly ‘anti-system’ populism. Moreover, under conditions of preparation for war, such forces become even more useful to the system, sowing the poison of racism and nationalism among workers and the peoples, so that the main culprit remains untouched: the dominant anti-people policy, the EU of capital and war, and the capitalist system itself.
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Just read this leftcom critiques of him:
https://desperatetimes914496456.wordpress.com/2025/08/01/the-myth-of-graeber/
https://desperatetimes914496456.wordpress.com/2025/08/04/again-graeber/
https://desperatetimes914496456.wordpress.com/2025/08/08/graeber-history/

https://kalikoba.substack.com/p/david-graeber-owes-me-a-book?utm_source=publication-search

>>2909111
I'm AuDHD so give me the TL;DR or else you're ableist.

>>2909112
I do too which is why I haven't read them either

>>2909085
One of his big claims is that primitive communism never existed.

>>2910091
So humans society always had surplus that was privately owned?
How does he criticize capitalist economists for being evil and wrong then go ahead and claim private property is human nature?