/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Yes it's known that the CIA funded leftists

>>2668623
Read Marcuse's wikipedia, he was literally employed by the intel agency that preceded the CIA. He was a glowie.

>>2668625
I've hardly engaged with Marcuse or most "poststructuralism" and Frankfurt School stuff beyond Deleuze and Benjamin because most of it is useless crypto-liberal obscurantism but that's fucking hilarious

>>2668532
From his lectures and stuff he's pretty based, tho I haven't read his books yet.

>but man I was shocked by how much hate the guy gets online from other academics and podcasters/commentators
Not surprising tbh

>>2669201
Reminds me of this Adam Friedland Show bit

>>2669201
Will a future socialist USA deport Gusanos?

>>2669589
even if you don't like how it sounds, it is ostensibly true

>>2669201
>That vid
Please say sike

>>2668510
>tariq nasheed
The bussyguy?

>>2662539
very obvious psy op

I mean, either way, the majority of participants in the Floyd protests weren't Black. For one, it's just a very sill way to look at things as some quid pro quo thing. Reminds me of the Jews who were raging during the Palestinian protests about how they donated money to BLM or showed support or whatever and now they felt so betrayed that Black people were siding with the Palestinians. Speaking of, where was this "what did the Palestinians ever do for us?" rhetoric when that was going on?

I think OP and everyone else doesn't want to address the elephant in the room which is the message that Tariq Nasheed and his ilk put out that "immigrants are taking our jobs welfare." Also I think there's this other thing with FBA where they want to have the exclusive claim on being Black in America and so they are more anti-Carribean and African immigrants more than any other type. But I guess that doesn't apply here? Well I guess in case of the Somalis and Haitians it does.

Also there is actually a lot of friction between Latinos and Blacks depending on the part of the country. Lot of intermingling too but like a lot of Black people don't really fuck with Mexicans. I've heard multiple times Black Americans that are really afraid of Latinos because they think every one of them is cartel affiliated. Also they don't like how the younger generations of Latinos call each other uygha all the time, and lmao they fucking do.



This is kinda why I'm more or less against racial based organization in America. I kinda think things would be better if we embraced "the dream" of the postracial America. I mean maybe such particularized interest groups are necessary as a bridge, but I think it often leads to this kinda sillyness.

The problem with any kind of identitatian politics is that even when they are 100% necessary to combat racism or other reactionary institutions, they have a tendency to produce myopia among the group in question, even to the point of being anti-universalist. There's definitely a subset of radicals of any identitarian persuasion who will act like any attempt to tackle an issue from a universalist perspective or talk about class or the masses as a whole is an attack on their group.

>>2667959
It's AES for the rich

>>2669052
Los mexicanos estan obsesionados con ser edgelords reaccionarios. Es un meme entre los gringos que el nazi promedio no es un blanco si no que un mexicano moreno pobre, y ese meme es por algo. La gente mas reaccionaria que he visto son argentinos y mexicanos, no gringos o israelis.

>>2669109
You haven’t met the average Israeli, trust me they’d put the average PANista or Milleista to shame

>>2669109
ser "reaccionario" tiene que ver con la clase no con la nacionalidad

>argentinos y mexicanos
no es coincidencia que mencionaste los paises con mayor clase media en latinoamerica. clase, clase, clase

>>2669092
>mexican proles are rich

>>2669109
>todo el proletariado mexicano es reaccionario porque un par de autistas suben memes a internet
metete un tenedor en los ojos por estúpido

>>2668777
Ит со овер…

>>2668842
For you.

I want to have a corrective rough sex with russia (the whole abstract countty) and make it revolutionary again

>>2668849
Нет, омеж)

bang

>>2629713
based

>>2634128
Look at this seething retarded faggot and his leftcom boogeyman

Drop dead tou fucking theorylet

>>2629761
>The "poverty draft" myth has been defeated by actual data time and time again
But you're not posting actual data. You posted anecdotes.

hmmm

>>2668950
>czechoslovaks from austrians, later the nazis, yugoslavs from the ottomans and austrians
Ok, so would you say those liberations were a negative or positive development? Especially with regards to the nazis and austrians I would say it's the latter, the ottomans being a more complicated can of worms

>here's the problem with this line of thinking, if that was actually true then the number of genocides after the national liberation should be lower, obviously you can see yugoslavia as an example, yugoslavia did not become a bastion of liberation for south slavs, but ostensibly a form of serbian chauvinism, this was true even after the KPJ became the leaders of the state, however there were now two yugoslavisms, one that was serbian chuavinist in nature, and now one that valued all nations, all this did was charge the population with nationalist thoughts, and when this government had done dwindled in strength, the nationalism merely became more secessionist, leading to the horrific yugoslav wars of the 90s, in algeria despite the nearly 70 year absence of french colonial rule, it speaks french more than it ever did as a colony, india now has more hindu chauvinism than it did as a colony, chauvinism that is creating genocidal conditions
That's fair, I agree and again I don't think "national liberation" is inherently progressive, it is dependent on the context in which it takes place. To bring it back to Gaza, until national liberation takes place, no economic or social progression can be achieved at all, they will simply remain effective prisoners of the israelis on the basis of their race or be exterminated entirely.
>the point is that looser chains is not actual progress, nor is it simply "progressive" for this, it is nominally an improvement, but progress is when this is rid of, not simply loosened
This is a bit semantics imo, the difference between viewing progression as a process towards and an arrival at a destination. Tight>looser>loose or tight > loose
>a problem i noted here is that imperialism hasn't meaningfully weakened after the national liberations of the 20th century, if anything it's gotten stronger, in the eyes of much of the population there, marxism is dead and has been for 30 yearPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669021
>So you think them remaining colonies would be better or?
it really depends on the governance and how they did it, you don't really see things like that in countries like vietnam or kenya, but you do in most other examples (just for your information the difference is that kenya mostly became independent mostly without armed struggle, and vietnam mostly violently)
>>2669021
>itself. Again, this line of argument makes it seem like you actually think remaining a colonial subject is the progressive thing
only if you think that's the argument rather than "national liberation is more often reactionary than it is a progressive movement, and is fetishized without understanding the full gravity of it"
>Ok, so would you say those liberations were a negative or positive development? Especially with regards to the nazis and austrians I would say it's the latter, the ottomans being a more complicated can of worms
i wouldn't define either as particularly positive developments, the iron was hot to abolish the individual reactionary constructs of "czech" or "slovak", "serbian" or "croatian", which would be progressive, neither happened, i'll also say now that the ottomans were decidedly the worse force compared to the austrians, not a mixed bag, as the austrians had allowed limited forms of parliamentary representation, the ottomans ruled by military rule although were better than other alternatives
>That's fair, I agree and again I don't think "national liberation" is inherently progressive, it is dependent on the context in which it takes place. To bring it back to Gaza, until national liberation takes place, no economic or social progression can be achieved at all, they will simply remain effective prisoners of the israelis on the basis of their race or be exterminated entirely.
this is about the only condition in which national liberation could be defended in, as it is the basis of actually becoming something, although for the most part it's fantasy given utter annihilation and deportation seems more likely
>I mean, I think that the formation of those blocks does weaken imperialism Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669035
>it really depends on the governance and how they did it
>national liberation is more often reactionary than it is a progressive movement, and is fetishized without understanding the full gravity of it
Idk anon, this does sound like you prefer these movements didn't happen in the majority. That it was a step backwards, ie reactionary and that thus the progressive thing would have been to remain colonial subjects. Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just indifference.

>this is about the only condition in which national liberation could be defended in, as it is the basis of actually becoming something,
It's really not too dissimilar to other colonial projects. Just worse in a lot of ways and lasting longer into the present. Imo, without the decolonial and national liberation movements that happened, we'd be seeing a lot more of what is happening in Palestine across the world.

>although for the most part it's fantasy given utter annihilation and deportation seems more likely
Unfortunately so. Still, the future is not set and maximalist positions should be taken to prevent this, exclaiming support for organizations like hamas is the least of it. Especially when considering the predominant view of such organizations in the imperial core


>the point is sort of that national liberation struggles haven't really lead to much class struggle rather than simple nationalist developmentalism
Imo that's part of the class struggle, which is a tremendously slow and protracted process

>>2669062
>Idk anon, this does sound like you prefer these movements didn't happen in the majority. That it was a step backwards, ie reactionary and that thus the progressive thing would have been to remain colonial subjects. Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just indifference.
i can see how you'd get that from it, it's just not what i'm saying whatsoever, i suggest you keep that benefit of the doubt
>It's really not too dissimilar to other colonial projects. Just worse in a lot of ways and lasting longer into the present. Imo, without the decolonial and national liberation movements that happened, we'd be seeing a lot more of what is happening in Palestine across the world.
partially true, most other nations were gaining consciousness that they didn't need national liberation first, i mean an obvious example would be the bangladeshis, but in the case of palestine it happened precisely because there wasn't really a bourgeois nationalist movement strong enough in the arab world at that point, and there wasn't really a palestinian identity in the modern sense, it only really emerged after 1948 where as before it was an imposed identity from the british, and then it became the identity they had adopted as a result of the israeli colonization, though obviously it isn't really exceptional in the broader sense, it is exceptional in the modern sense
>Unfortunately so. Still, the future is not set and maximalist positions should be taken to prevent this, exclaiming support for organizations like hamas is the least of it. Especially when considering the predominant view of such organizations in the imperial core
i would say a problem with this is that position hasn't really led to much good either, hence why alternative positions have been taken on this issue
>Imo that's part of the class struggle, which is a tremendously slow and protracted process
it's not really that slow, protracted certainly, the whole problem (and part of the argument i'm making) is that these don't really stop capitalism's natural development and decelerate the global class struggle, as the stability of the world system of capitalism has only really increased since the 1960s rather than decelerate as was the expectatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2669068
>i would say a problem with this is that position hasn't really led to much good either, hence why alternative positions have been taken on this issue
Anon, idk what you're thinking of, but the maximalist position on this issue is not exactly what i'd call a commonly held one. Only recently has any sort of hard line emerged at a larger scale and even then it's far from normalized enough to effect anything substantially.

>it's not really that slow, protracted certainly, the whole problem (and part of the argument i'm making) is that these don't really stop capitalism's natural development and decelerate the global class struggle, as the stability of the world system of capitalism has only really increased since the 1960s rather than decelerate as was the expectation of the time,
I understand what you're saying, but we're getting into very subjective territory here. On the one hand economic development progresses, imperialism is strengthened, on the other hand internal stability is decreasing, trust and understanding in liberal institutions is waning, old structures are losing their edge. I find it hard to blame the existence and particular successes and failures of natlib struggles for the stability of the capitalist system. You might say they didn't do anything to prevent it or be outright facilitating it, but that's not a known factor and similar claims could be made about basically everything. You play with the cards you're dealt and sometimes, in our case basically always, you're dealt a bad hand.
>we have to take a new perspective is what i'm saying, not just relying on the positions of long dead men and women
Such as?

clearly he had ADHD

>>2668299
>>2668463
Yeah, it's pretty obvious if you know even just a bit of (actual) psychology.

>>2668273
It is really funny to just take a step back and realize that Marx was a complete madlad that probably would have gotten himself shot if Engels wasn't holding him back

>>2668494
>It is really funny to just take a step back and realize that Marx was a complete madlad that probably would have gotten himself shot if Engels wasn't holding him back

Other way around. Engels actually picked up a gun in 1848 and fought under Willich while Marx stayed at home and wrote. When Willich challenged Marx to a duel later, Marx said "no, are you crazy" while some acolyte of Marx stepped in and got himself shot on Marx's behalf.

>>2669076
so, "we don't need theory, just action" people existed from the beginning huh

>>2637143
Unfortunately, no.

did you guys know the parliament of ghana has this cool golden mace with an eagle and adinkra symbols on it as the embodiment of parliament's authority?

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Sankofa-series-The-Mace-parliament-s-symbol-of-authority-which-is-kept-in-BoG-s-custody-upon-House-s-dissolution-1919708

bump

Africa growing strong but Sudan predictions seem strange considering the civil war.

>>2641965
>But I suppose Brother #2 should be dead for wearing glasses to in pic related.
anon you're right about the rest of the post but the guy in glasses is not Nuon Chea, it's Son Sen (Brother #89)

>>2642306
Mods are trotskyists, they're not on your side

>>2637368
All the leaders of Mongols and similar warring steppe nomads. By periodically wrecking Eurasia they delayed industrialization for several hundred years. Because of them we get to be among the last people to not be chipped, genetically engineered slaves. We also get to enjoy whales, lions, and forests before they disappear.