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“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1908860526400057534

"The legacy media never mentions white genocide in South Africa, because it doesn’t fit their narrative that whites can be victims"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1904065163407368212

Even Musk's AI is based.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1916042294018666585

"The ADL is a hate group"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973289543848829225

He supports remigration.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997700657546191314

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>>2619398
>>2619455
Imperialists tend to have shitty industrial policy. You have a point about certain fascist developmentalists in the imperial periphery.


>>2616360
South african apartheid baby turns out to be… A nazi. Wow didnt expect that.

You amerikkkans deserve Elon
He is you
You are him

>>2619936
I can see it.



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Sounds crazy, I know, but I think Xi-fans should at least consider the flaws of China's "Do nothing, win" strategy, and how it may paradoxically still lead to its undoing.

The US bourgeoisie knows it can't beat China in head-on conventional warfare. So, it doesn't.

Porky has put a lot of effort since the Vietnam War to avoid making Amerikkkans feels the impacts of US wars of aggression to great success. Despite the amount of conflicts the US is involved in as we speak, anti-war sentiment is negligable. There was nothing like the anti-war movement during Vietnam, which by itself wasn't even strong enough to end the war either. It was the Vietnamese who militarily defeated the US that ended the war.

Amerikkkan reliance on proxies and mercs is the key to maintain the Empire. If they can make China's neighbours fight them in their stead, they they can win, and have East Asia plundered, like they have plundered Eastern Europe since the 90s, to give capitalism another 50 years.

China has failed to counter this problem completely, letting country after country on their borders fall into US hands in recent years. Once friendly countries turned into enemies.
China's rebranded 'socialism in one country' strategy isn't enough to resist US aggression. The US doen't need to do much to blockade Chinese shipping, and block all imports from entering the mainland. Going from "random" drone boats sent from US vallal states, to airstrikes and piracy conducted by US forces themselves, which they have been training for through the recent attacks on Russian and Venezuelan ships.
China can't retaliate against this adequately, due to their lack of bases or proxies of their own around Amerikkkan territory.

China's complete neglegt of this danger may be its downfall. For all their greatness, they cannot last against a neval blockade, land siege and hybrid warfare, the US has been preparing for.

This is why solidarity is so important. Supporting comrades in other countries isn't about kindness. It ensures you will not be attacked by brothers turned against you.
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>>2631594
>Figures in this article only cover household wealth, and exclude government wealth, which may be substantial, as in China, or negative, as in the UK or US, and so do not show total wealth.

Though either way their "wealth" is irrelevant as it cannot transform into industry and tangible military assets quickly enough. I think I've said this before, even if they poured ALL their investments into actual industry instead of AI datacenters RIGHT NOW, and didn't have any comically long delays typical of American construction, it would still take at least a decade to plan and build everything. And in no foreseeable future are they going to replicate the Chinese full-spectrum supply chain from mining to refining to components to final assembly. If the US enters a war economy, so will China, and while the war will be devastating nothing in NATO is going to stop a militarized China putting a significant fraction of its industry towards war production.


>>2631622
You're overthinking it. They don't need a decade of Nazi Germany to re-industrialize they'll just buy out the colonies they already have. It's really not hard to bribe a few politicians to create more special economic zones in the periphery and fly in slave workers from Africa.

>>2632241
It is hard when China has wealth and actual valuable trade. Also who can the US buyout at this point?Argentina is still forced to trade with China for one of too many examples

>>2632327
>It is hard
It's not. Its basic imperialism and the US is the top dog and has been for some time.
>who can the US buyout at this point?Argentina is still forced to trade with China for one of too many examples
Any industrialized western country, majority if not all of the of the OECD, etc.
>Argentina
Bizarre example. How about France, Canada, Japan, ROK, western Europe, EU in general, of who bend over backwards to satisfy every US geostrategic/economic demand and who have education systems that outperform the US generally?
And yes Argentina is on a difficult path for the US neo-mercantilist turn now that the center-left, BRICS and sovreignty was rejected and Second Monroe Doctrine has just materialized…



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Classes
'Haute bourgeoisie' – Big bourgeoisie
'Petty bourgeoisie' – Petty bourgeoisie (Small bourgeoisie)
'Middle class' – Middle class
'Proletariat' – Working class
'Lumpenproletariat' – Lumpenproletariat

The labor aristocracy is a stratum positioned between the middle class and the petty bourgeoisie. Students (as a stratum) are predominantly found among the proletariat and the middle class.

Theses on the Development of the Party

Class Struggle
Individual members of a class recognize their immediate material interest.
Through this immediate material interest, they recognize certain shared characteristics of the class.
Consciousness of oneself as a member of a class. Class organization. Class movement.
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>>2631254
since a lot of aristocrats in the 1800s were already (relatively) impoverished compared to the haute bourgeoisie it is arguable that the petty bourgeoisie was already the middle class back then and if I recall they are sometimes called such even back then.

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>>2631247
Socialism with American characteristics

>>2631173
Voluntarism

>>2631173
OP is an opportunist

>>2632520
Where is the opportunism?



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lets hear some of your most frustrating work related social media experiences. this shit sucks, every person who seriously uses this shit is mentally unwell or you have to deal with fucking AI/automated shit that just straight up doesn't work.

>>2621715
just get a high paying office job with connections bro it's not that hard

up

>>2621776
Do you have to do sex things to get that?

>>2625267
Probably



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So what exactly causes military coups in thirdie countries? What causes the army to betray the government and country? I mean even in firstie countries there's technically nothing stopping the military from taking over and overthrowing the government and they could do it if they wanted to, but they don't. Why?
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>>2632217
yeah, another significant factor i didn't mention in that post (since i wanted to be brief and explain the basic reason these coups happen) is also because the militaries themselves are significantly older and also more respected by the local populace, the reason why military coups are very rare in the americas since the cold war isn't because the US made them happen, that's a misconception i think people should correct, rather it's because for the most part, the militaries in these nations became far more subservient to the civilian governments as they reached a certain level of economic and societal development that made military rule unpopular, in a country in which pretty much every institution (the bureaucracy, other types of public servants, city governments, etc) is civilian controlled and supportive of a civilian government, it's a massive depressor for any military government, since a military government needs the consent of at least a plurality of each of those to efficiently run the state, whereas in the west african states but also other states prone to military coups, public servants don't really have a favored outcome, civilian or military, as long as it's a stable government, and so don't really care enough to actually oppose a coup since the civilian government is just not well established nor supported by a majority of its respective population

>>2632007
> So what exactly causes military coups in thirdie countries?
Well there are many different types of military coups, some of which are aligned with NATO hegemony (Suharto, Blaise Compaore, Augusto Pinochet), some of which are not (Gaddafi, Sankara, Chavez). The former are brought about by meddling of more powerful countries, bribery, blackmail, etc. The prospect of becoming a comprador bourgeoisie is particularly enticing. The latter are a reassertion of national sovereignty by the national bourgeoisie or perhaps the peasantry and the proletariat in more revolutionary circumstances.

>What causes the army to betray the government and country?


You must be asking about the former case. To accuse the army of betrayal implies that their primary duty is to be loyal to the "whole" people. This is wrong headed. The army's duty is to be loyal to the ruling class, just like the police. Only in revolutionary situations do the army betray the ruling class, and side with the workers. Betraying the working class masses is the rule, not the exception, for the army.

> I mean even in firstie countries there's technically nothing stopping the military from taking over and overthrowing the government and they could do it if they wanted to, but they don't. Why?

There's plenty stopping them. Militaries are very large, and labor is very divided between specialists, not to mention the division between branches. And there is a mixture of different class/ethnic/racial/religious backgrounds, with different material interests. And the hierarchy subdivides the military even further, breaking up opportunities for the different divisions and branches to communicate and coordinate without the (mostly bourgeois) upper ranks knowing. You need bourgeois class traitors for a true revolutionary situation to kick off in the military. Which is why I said earlier that most military coups in the third world take the form of a conflict between the national bourgeoisie and the comrpador bourgeoisie. This division within the bourgeoisie has long been noted. Some place less weight upon it than others. As long as imperialism yields a huge difference between standard of living and wages between the "core" and "periphery" countriesPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2632007
Money, funding, and narcissism

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When the force of law has lost its head, the law of force is what you get. Violence begets violence, strong men eat weak men. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Put yourself in the shoes of a middle officer in one of these countries that’s intensely poor and has civilian leadership that’s sold out to western corporations and drinking champagne with western leaders as al-Qaeda is literally at the door. You don’t need to be a marxist to understand this.



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>>2631790
>commanders to Turkey
that's demonstrably untrue. first, there's no list of commanders published by ukraine. because ukraine can play dumb with who was captured, in fact, pravda published this article last year arguing exactly that:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/29/7514554/
>Commenting on public statements about the absence of Azov fighters in the latest exchange lists, Yusov emphasised that excessive media attention to specific names or units could be used by Russian intelligence services for their own purposes
so there's no reason or whatsoever to believe all of the commanders were released.
that article also stated, in the lastest exchange:
<Colonel Denys Prokopenko, alias Redis, Commander of the Azov National Guard Brigade, stated that not a single Azov fighter had been included in the three-day prisoner exchange with Russia. He said he does not believe the Ukrainian authorities are interested in bringing them back.

you are a moron. and for that champsoc is right: >>2631793

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/8/ukraines-zelenskyy-returns-azov-commanders-released-to-turkey

Russia denounces the soldiers’ return, accusing Kyiv and Ankara of violating a prisoner exchange deal under which the men were to remain in Turkey until the end of the war.

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>Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Saturday that Ankara had promised under the exchange agreement to keep the men in Turkey and complained that Moscow had not been informed of the move.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2583286
Unfortunately this is the exact analysis used by John Birch Society to call Eisenhower a communist. The same shit today with Alex Jones calling the WEF socialist etc. The implications are the the Fabians are correct and the billionaires are secret commies is not new analysis. It's almost bait at this point.

>>2583306
didn't finish reading the png award

>>2631320
that analysis is not being used to argue that billionaires are secret communists, that analysis is being used to argue that porkies are suicidal nihilists and not interested in the preservation even of their own class, let alone the earth, the species, etc.

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>>2597575
he could address the critiques of his model by hanhnel and also of the LTV by steve keen in greater detail

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>>2631530
1. Maybe we should do this? Maybe the torch has been passed.

2. Man's 74. My grandparents were useless or dead by that age. Maybe he's just not cut out for this stuff anymore? Let him bicker with zionists on twitter.



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<Republic of Cuba
<Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
<People’s Republic of China
<Lao People’s Democratic Republic
<Socialist Republic of Vietnam
<Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela

Rest of the world is ruled by bourgeoisie and personal opinions and political positions are up to debate but not these countries. Dictatorship of the proletariat means that these countries are ruled by the proletariat and their representatives.
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leftcoms malding

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>>2603392
this thread aged like milk lol

>>2562383
>Uncritical support

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>When your time-wasting shitpost spam exposes you on the first WORD: the thread
You are not a Marxist.



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Hi comrades, I know how to program and have created resource websites.

What would be a useful online resource?
There are already plenty of good ones, like marxists.org and annas-archive for /lit/, leftybooru for meme cataloguing, kolektiva.media/tankie.tube for video hosting, disroot and riseup for email and other services, but what is something else that would just make organisation, education and agitation more efficient for you?
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>>2630985
We did, it's called /itg/

>>2630631
>>2630649
Willing to work on a project for this, but how do we do it

>>2630649
Mods, ban this one

>>2632079
For what possible reason would this be bannable? You are so afraid of actual productive organization, you want to silence any talk of anything beyond mindless slop scrolling and discussion?

>>2631129
>/itg/
Can you tell me more?



 

The Palestine movement failed miserably to stop the genocide because the movement is largely one of SYMBOLIC politics, not one of instrumental politics. It’s not about the Palestinian people but about angry western youth letting off steam. This exact BDS movement has become about self-righteous zoomers showing off how “virtuous” they are by boycotting Starbucks and Coke, never mind that boycotts are supposed to be a militant tactic and weapon to attack an enemy head-on. The campus protests from 2024 were also aimless and did nothing except get a bunch of students and professional activists arrested. Makes sense that NYU banned criticism of Zionism right afterwards.

Let this be known for the next time the world is thrown into a state of crisis.
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>>2625221
Pebbles thrown into rushing river

>>2625236
The global arms trade is extremely specialised and interdependent. Most important harbors in Europe have divested from Israeli arms at this point, there are now equipment parts that Israel can simply not get anymore which means important war machines like F16s can not be build.

Obviously genocide still comences and the US happily carries on supplying weapons but this does show a viable path of resistance and Israel doesn't like that these things are happening

Question: if the Iranian government falls, does this mean the Palestinian struggle is de facto dead?

Marx was right, nationalism has to go

>>2632069
But national liberation?



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