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 No.1840238[Reply]

How big of a problem is the Milton Friedman/Jack Welch philosophy of business management for capitalism? Was it an inevitable development of the crisis of profitability of the 1970s? The whole mentality of fire the engineers and put the cost cutting beancounters doing stock buybacks to make the line go up, is it simply a bad practice which can be undone or is it an inevitable result of attempts to create a counterveiling trend to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall?
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 No.1841776

>>1841707
>American studies

I bet this is one of the people who complains about 'bullshit degrees' and so on lol

 No.1841778

>>1840238
>how is finance capitalism a problem for capitalism
<Another reactionary trying to make the pre-capitalist workshop political economy great again
<In my leftypol

 No.1841962

>>1841778
OP is asking fair questions, and the answer is that capitalism will always tend towards financialization like this. However, there is always a fundamental tension between high finance capital and actually productive capital. Finance can pump productive capital for wealth, but only up to a point. If you go too far you undermine the productive base. That's why the tendency (if they're being smart) is to put the squeeze on what are basically worker concessions like benefits and workplace safety. However, that is even more limited, so the incentive for finance is to keep squeezing and actually affect production. Depending on the balance of political power, that tendency will get corrected sooner or later. You might have a relatively stable balance or an oscillation like a pendulum swinging back and forth. This is one of the causes of recurrent crises in capitalism.

One of the most noticeable material differences in AES countries is that the "finance sector" equivalent is usually managed by the state, making them largely immune to these sorts of crises, since they operate according to managing production rather than maximizing profit for the finance sector.

 No.1842221

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>>1841962
I'm actually really glad that this thread got created because I just started playing Portal 2 and I've always wanted a more in depth explanation or some kind of analysis of the economic decline of Aperture labs. I was 15 when the game came out so I didn't really understand what was going on other than Mr Johnson being a crazy bastard and blowing all his money away on everything.

 No.1842231

>>1842221
also Cave specifically complains about bean counters which was the entire point of my post that I forgot to add.



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 No.1832676[Reply]

I swear to God almighty I fucking hate it here. This country is good for nothing and I wish it burns in the eternal flames of hell where it belongs yet somehow escaped it.
Like 95% of the people here are brainwashed by a population-wide CIA psyop operation eating up the most liberal bullshit propaganda like it's served to them from a kebab stall after a long day at work.
It feels nigh impossible to be a leftist here, not even mentioning being further left than fascism (also known as social democracy). Poland is literally a mix of the worst traits of the west and east with nothing good added at all (except grandma, love you.)
The class consciousness is non-existent, and historical knowledge is biased more than that Cuba society from Florida. Even when I provide actual sources that disprove any most common misconception I am met with accusations of being a paid Russian bot or posting falsified commie research (from famous commie institutions like Yale or Harvard)
If I see one more resident of this god forsaken country tell me that "Hitler's occupation was way better than the Soviet one" I will actually summon the spirit of Tukhachevsky and tell him to this time do it fucking right.

So how are you doing?
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 No.1840930

Working hard to improve the image of socialism (can't really call it communism in Poland lol) day by day, helping out the common folk, organizing actions and what not.
Sometime ago I saw some people on the Polish equivalent of 4chan/reddit notice one of our successful actions and get mad at a girl getting her salary because "commies helped her do it"
Just a thought

 No.1841590

>>1840930
I swear I saw pole complaining in youtube comment which got many likes that communism was coming back in Poland again among youth, and a lot of people didn't believe in free market anymore several months ago.

 No.1841804

from the USA def being feeling like this on bad days sometimes as well

>>1834720
that shit fucking blows me man, like how much a bitchmade smoothbrain do you have to be to not handle different cultures living near you

 No.1842033

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Trzecia Rzeczpospolita is a case of a mass psychogenic illness

 No.1842048

PARTITION POLAND AGAIN



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 No.1662769[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

8th Edition: Failson squad assemble!edition.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! South Asia and Oceania posters can come in to discuss their regional politics as well.

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org

Last threads:
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 No.1840737

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Went to the same Labour Day rally as last year. The population is still disproportionately women and minorities. Hell some people, especially malay women, came wearing white and black keffiyeh. I personally feel like a bit out of place especially when I came alone. Perhaps if i had more courage and social skills, I could have talked to them about Palestine.

Significantly more people and especially media presence. Newspaper and radio station reporters were there getting interviews. What is weird is that small and obscure podcasters were there too, I am told one of them may be connected to the government…

The same advocacy groups from last year came too. What is interesting is a new one is here for sex workers. The person at the booth described themselves as essentially HR department for the sex workers, to provide protection and testing kits for them. What is odd is that for a group that believe that sex work is work (the person is literally wearing a button that says that verbatim in chinese), it is rather agnostic on the question whether to legalize and regulate it or to diminish and discourage it. I was like, surely if you believe that sex work is work then you have to advocate for its legalization, regulation and unionization as a permanent solution to their plight. We also discuss the nature of work and what is it for a while. Regardless, I personally found testimony of a sex worker and the type of her clients interesting.

Also there was a booth that who was against ISD (the law lets the government catch people without trial or judicial approval) and clearly the remnants of the Old Left. They even had a book cataloguing Barisan Sosialis statements and documents since its inspection. Too bad it was all in chinese and the books were taken up quickly. Also there was a kid that came to the booth claiming that these people were communists and deserved to lim kopi. He literally looked like a soyjak with a Jordan Peterson tier understanding of marxism. He claimed to read Das Kaptial and the Communist Manifesto and based his understanding of it on communism, when neither didn't really discussed what exactly socialism or communism would look like. I mocked his theoretical ignorance and got him to admit that Singapore is a social democracy, not a free market capitalism. But apparently social democracy is capitalism to him. At least he wasn't harassing the booth people anymore.

The speeches were the same as last year. TaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1840767

>>1840304
Don't you dare insult Shay's geological engineering proposals! When world DoTP is established, they will all be undertaken.

 No.1840772

>>1840767
>>1840304
i wont argue here, but imagine 1 billion indonesians and all of the citizens of ASEAN being capable of simply buying a high speed train ticket and riding all the way to queensland or the northern territory of australia from singapore or thailand within the course of 12 hours or less. i don't know what riding a train is like but to me it sounds like an easy way to overcome australia's overly protective border policies.

 No.1841190

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>>1840737
Would a proposal forming a new more radical party from the ashes of the WPS better than radicalizing the current party? Or would it be self destructive to bring attention of the PSS alligned cops on the socialists. Like the socialists are kinda fine intermingling with socdems but i'm afraid they might be targeted if they form their own org.

 No.1842004

>>1841190
I am saying it is better to radicalize the current WP and if that fails (ie the socialists get purged or sidelined), we can use that as an impetus to make a socialist party. There is still many benefits to being in WP, learning how to run an electoral machine, how to write policy, do media and campaigning etc etc. There is a reason why other parties struggle to maintain its presence in the political landscape, let alone win any votes. Look at PSP as a counter example.

The organizers once told me he found WP to be too moderate to really change anything, but the point is that WP at its current state isn't the end goal, but a stepping stone to something more radical. If it has to fail, then it must be made to fail faster.



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 No.1840175[Reply]

We're going to run out of fossil fuels at the rate modern civilization exists. (Nuclear, green and renewables can only support up to a quarter of a billion or so for a long time. you can read about and analyze it for yourselves) until fusion becomes economically feasible we can't support the number AND rate of consumption we currently have. and on top of that we've fucked the climate that it's anyones guess from going back the bronze age to complete extinction of the only intelligent species in this part of the galaxy.
it's all going to rot because of cunts like Bezos and Buffet and the hundreds of millions of delusional narcissistic capitalist bootlickers that worship them.
>muh Malthusian
grow the fuck up and open your eyes, we're burning through this planet like there's no tomorrow. the next century is going to be nothing but misery, possibly the bleakest thing humans will ever have to go through. mass starvation and migration on levels never seen before… and no one gives a fuck.
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 No.1841019

>>1840883
>the issue is that both heavy water and breeder reactors (strictly, a subset of heavy water reactors) are both capable of producing nuclear weapons material (plutonium-239).
That's a moot point given that nuclear weapons already exist and are being made regardless of the presence of breeder reactors or not.

 No.1841029

>we sit back and do nothing and still win???
Yes. The ruling classes always destroy themselves

 No.1841064

>>1841029
But they keep generating their successors. That's the point where they need to be stopped.

 No.1841320

>>1841019
I think there's probably a point to be had that if breeders were as common as coal plants, that making nuclear weapons by the millions would be easy enough that any country could do it.
Whether or not that is a good thing is an exercise for the reader.

 No.1841936

>we
WE are not gonna do anything but shit and scream because WE are irrelevant

shikata ga nai



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 No.1839972[Reply]

LONG LIVE THE FIRST OF MAY
HAPPY INTERNATIONAL WORKERS' DAY
Post pics, posters, and videos of rallies comrades, all week as long as there are workers uniting for their rights.
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 No.1841505

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Here are the only three left-wing people in Hungary circumventing the ban on communist symbols.

 No.1841513

>>1841505
Gigabased Gigachads

 No.1841518

Truly, we are living in dark times. What era is this, where speaking of peace is almost a crime, because one must speak of war? And yet, at the same time, there is silence about so many crimes in Gaza, Congo, Syria, and Ukraine."
– Tiina Sandberg, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Finland, echoing Bertolt Brecht in her speech at the national Red Memorial in Helsinki on May 1, 2024.

 No.1841579

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>27th April
That's not MAY DAAAAAY

 No.1841888

The ICFI is hosting its annual online May Day rally on May 4th, if anyone is interested in registering.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/international-mayday-online-rally-2024.html



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 No.296564[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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 No.1841521

>>1841517
Not even that racist compared to Hitler or worse

 No.1841522

>>1841521
Talking of which who here knows about the Herero and Nama genocides of 1904 to 1908?

80% and 50% of the population respectively.

 No.1841524

>>1841492
what is and is not socialist is not open to interpretation, it is beholden to universal standards and necessities. also there is no such thing as unique regional differences in the construction of socialism, that's just laundering in revisionism

that being said, sure perhaps I am > posting and making too many assumptions about what you are saying that were not actually present in your reply so I apologize for that

 No.1841618

Judaism seems to claim some form of divine Israelite ownership over the promised 'Land of Israel', a region approximately where Palestine is.
Explain how Judaism does not imply a form of Zionism. Can unconditional anti-Zionism and Judaism be reconciled without just ignoring obvious critical statements in their religious texts?

 No.1842383

>>1841524
>there is no such thing as unique regional differences in the construction of socialism
what an absolutely fucking retarded thing to say, downright drooling moron tier



 No.1790807[Reply]

>why doesn't Cockshott fix the NHS if his theories work
Well why doesn't he?
There's his opportunity right there since the UK health system apparently is not as good as it could be?
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 No.1841319

>>1790807
>communism is when healthcare and government efficiency
as expected from a petit-bourg academic

>>1791104
do we really need so many threads dedicated to this fucking tard

 No.1841398

>>1841319
>communism is when healthcare and government efficiency
it is though

 No.1841471

>>1790872
scotland is not a real country, you are just an english men in a dress

 No.1841491

>>1841471
>let me tell about your country

 No.1841574

>>1790807
>>1790810
as ^ said, it would be a cold day in hell before the Tories (or even Labor under Starmer) would hire him for jack shit.



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 No.1833102[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

He seemed pretty based, bit of an oopsie with that whole "No peace, No war" thing, but he redeemed himself by locking the fuck in and saving everyone's ass during the civil war.

He was also Lenin's guy and he seemed pretty smart, but whenever I talk to other leftists or socialists he is kinda seen as a joke, and he and his theory is not taken very seriously (see icepick memes). Either that or I see "Trotskyist" used as a general slur against leftist/communist orgs people don't like.

What is this about? Is Trotskyism legit brainlet tier or is this just a leftover from the Stalin days? What are your opinions on the Trot? Can he be redeemed?
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 No.1840401

"After NEP ended, the Soviet government introduced a multi-tiered price system with
varying degrees of price controls. In 1928-29, rationing of food and consumer good became
widespread throughout Russia. According to Alec Nove, this was “perhaps the first and only
recorded instance of the introduction of rationing in time of peace.”4
Goods were sold at the
official ration prices in state stores, which required ration coupons, but other types of stores had
other price levels, ranging from controlled to free. Workers were able to purchase some items
from special shops that were closed to the public, where prices were higher but the workers were
able to get items unavailable elsewhere. Food and manufactured goods were also sold to the
working class in other stores for prices that were above rationed levels, but below commercial
prices. Other stores, known as torgsin, had goods available only in exchange for precious metals
or foreign currency, which the state badly needed. Finally, prices freely were set by market
forces at peasant bazaars, kolkhoz (collective farm) markets, and black markets.

Unsurprisingly, prices rose much faster where they were influenced by market forces,
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 No.1840509

<Trotsky wasn’t a coward, was he?
>No, he was courageous. He was in exile, then escaped, and then was sent to prison. He lived in America. In 1905 he became chairman of the first Soviet of Workers’ Deputies in Petersburg. He left again in 1906 or at the beginning of 1907, and returned for the second time in 1917. He was a man of means. First, he published a newspaper. Second, he apparently was well off.
>I read his autobiography. He begins with his mother and himself going to visit a neighboring landlord in Khersonchshina.
>He was about five years old,and he played with a girl of the same age there and peed in his pants. To describe that! What a vain man!

Trotsky bros, how do you explain thiws?

 No.1840517

Hero worship is inseparable from reaction.

 No.1841539

>>1838540
>>1838847
>trot uyghurs when they read Lenin and are forced to confront their wildly differing political views to Lenin

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 No.1840704[Reply]

Inefficiency and Lack of Innovation: Socialism often involves centralized control of the means of production and the redistribution of wealth. However, this centralized planning and government control can lead to inefficiencies and lack of innovation. Without the market-driven competition and profit motive of capitalism, there is less incentive for individuals and businesses to innovate, take risks, and improve productivity. This can result in stagnant economies and limited progress.

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 No.1841512

>>1840704
>Inefficiency and Lack of Innovation
that's a good thing. human existence is not about being productive.

 No.1841516

A counter example I like is Bell Laboratories, because Bell was a monopoly and no longer had the profit motive because profit was already a forgone conclusion and little risk of that changing, they had a laboratory where people hired with no specific goal they had to achieve, they basically just got given carte blanche to work on whatever seemed interesting or promising. The results are obvious if you look at the list of inventions that came out of those labs, genuinely world changing stuff.

But not all of it was related to telephony, since there was no competition, no risk, no real immediate profit motive to funding for Bell other than the vague idea that maybe something marketable will end up coming out of it, the scientists employed were unshackled by those constraints. Their innovations weren't stymied by a board of directors demanding a specific kind of development related to telephony, deadlines to push a product to market before competitors could, itching to close the window on risk.

Most profit driven "innovations" have nothing on these blank cheque labs, microtransactions in gaming is a profit driven innovation. Having ridiculously high medical costs to milk health insurance which in turn was lobbied to be made mandatory in society, is a profit driven innovation.

 No.1841519

Marx’s Critique of Fixed Capital:

Capital’s Role: Marx views fixed capital, such as machinery, as capital’s way of asserting control over labor, transforming the worker’s role to a mere part of the machine system.
Contradiction: There is a contradiction in capitalism where increased productivity leads to more disposable time, yet capital seeks to convert this time into surplus labor.
Potential for Change: Marx suggests that as the productive forces develop, the appropriation of surplus labor ceases to be the basis of wealth, hinting at a potential societal shift.
Emancipation of Labor: The reduction of necessary labor time could lead to the emancipation of labor, allowing for the full development of individuals and society.

 No.1841896

>>1840704
And what exactly are the corporations competing for? They're competing to form monopolies. Centralized, planned, inefficient monopolies. They will succeed eventually, and then you'll be stuck with institutions that are unproductive AND unaccountable.

Anyways, capitalism doesn't mean 'having markets', it means dividing society into owners and wage-labourers and having the former economically coerce the latter. It's better than slavery, but you're naive if you think that's the best we can do

 No.1842728

>>1840704
> However, this centralized planning and government control can lead to inefficiencies and lack of innovation. Without the market-driven competition and profit motive of capitalism, there is less incentive for individuals and businesses to innovate, take risks, and improve productivity. This can result in stagnant economies and limited progress.

Corporate-Capitalism is anti-market; perfect markets lead to little to no profit margin, consequently corporations always curb markets, and consolidate to the point of oligopoly if not monopoly in the pursuit of endless profits & accumulation. Along the way they subvert the democratic states capability of restraining them, making the state a pure instrument of the corporate ruling class.

Furthermore, the rise of neo-liberal globalization has led to the transnationalization of global governance and economic structuring - the American/Western oligarchy has become a transnational one who has top-down centralized planning of much of world macro-economic trends and outcomes. See Peter Philips & William Robinsons work on this.

Fundamentally, placing "free markets" along with the term "capitalism" is a contradiction of terms, and is a systemic error ctrl+v'd into the heads of clueless libertarians, cuckservatives, and neolibs that is the flip-side of their anti-communism. See attached article on Braudel. I don't have a problem if you are a true free-marketier if you understand that capitalism is literally evil no way you cut it, and that free markets require a liberal state to bend the corporate sphere over to get fucked by anti-trust laws and such.



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 No.1834063[Reply]

Do you know Salah Jadid?
He was a Ba'athist Arab nationalist turned far-left socialist who ruled Syria for a relatively short period before being overthrown by Assad senior in a coup.
Unlike his Ba'athist contemporaries Jadid believed in class struggle, implemented radical leftist policies, assigned communists to high positions in his government, pursued close relations with the CPSU, shifted the party line from Arab nationalism to explicitly revolutionary anti-capitalist stand treating pan-Arabism as merely a means to an end (that is socialism) rather than an end itself.
After his overthrow Assad started reversing many of his policies, liberalizing the country while cracking down on leftist opposition.

Assad Senior was an absolute buffon who wasn't committed to the Palestinian cause or socialism as he criticised Jadid for his support of Palestinians during their revolt against the Jordanian monarchy, gave the Golan on a silver platter to Israelis, funded counter revolutionaries in the Lebanese civil war, supported an expansionist theocracy in his sectarian scuffles, made a deal with the US to occupy Lebanon in exchange of supporting the Gulf War, started neoliberalizing Syria's economy in the 90s.

The only other head of state that was to the left of secular pan-Arabism is Iraq's Qasim, he to was overthrown by nationalists. As a leftist MENAoid I believe Arab nationalism has been a net negative for our region. It is a revisionist (historically and ideologically), colonial, reactionary ideology that had been used primarily to suppress class consciousness and recuperate socialism and revolution to serve bourgeois interests.
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 No.1837989

Guys did Marx ever consider that MENA are of the reactionary races?

 No.1837992

>>1837989
>But at the first victorious uprising of the French proletariat, which Louis Napoleon is striving with all his might to conjure up, the Austrian Germans and Magyars will be set free and wreak a bloody revenge on the Slav barbarians. The general war which will then break out will smash this Slav Sonderbund and wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names.
>The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm
Chad Engels already accounted for that

 No.1837996

There is no need to bring Marilyn Monroe into this!

 No.1838015

>>1837820
>Zigger
go back to reddit

 No.1841330

Stop derailing the thread IRGCfags



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