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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2646636
The stupidity of people on this website never cease to amaze me.

>>2646636
I am spiritually north Korean

>>2646354
So what's the material take on Norks subscribing to great man theory and deifying their kings?

>>2648145
Propaganda value

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>>2646636
>Are there even any North Koreans who use this site?
None in body, Many in mind.

Comrade Kim Jong- un 's speech at the 80th anniversary celebration of the founding of the Socialist Patriotic Youth League
Dear Comrade Kim Jong- un delivered a speech at the 80th anniversary celebration of the founding of the Socialist Patriotic Youth League.
The details are as follows:

The youth of Joseon, the strength and pride of this country!
Dear fellow petitioners who dedicate their beautiful youth to patriotism!
Solid and spirited youth league workers!
Comrades!

I congratulate the young vanguard who participated in this founding anniversary event, representing the wisest, bravest, and most patriotic generation of youth.

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>>2653847
>>2653855
Really funny but your daily madness in Germany :(

Möge der Schwanz der Bourgeoisie euch heute tief und schmerzhaft im Arsch sitzen.

>>2653865
Gibt es irgendeinen neuen Kanal, auf dem die sowas posten? Bandcamp gibt es ja schon lange nicht mehr und der Youtubekanal scheint auch relativ tot

YOU DOOMED US YOU FUCKING DOOMED US ALL WHY DID YOU BETRAY SPARTACUS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2653198 (me)
D'oh, meant to say KPD are the OG communist party of Germany and banned.



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<Republic of Cuba
<Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
<People’s Republic of China
<Lao People’s Democratic Republic
<Socialist Republic of Vietnam
<Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela

Rest of the world is ruled by bourgeoisie and personal opinions and political positions are up to debate but not these countries. Dictatorship of the proletariat means that these countries are ruled by the proletariat and their representatives.
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>Letter of Imam Khomeini,

>The Great Leader of the Islamic Revolution and Founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran,


>To President Mikhail Gorbachev, Leader of the Soviet Union


In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Your Excellency Mr. Gorbachev1, Chairman of the Presidium of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

With due wishes for the happiness and prosperity of Your Excellency and the people of the Soviet Union.

Since your assumption of office there has been the impression that Your Excellency, in analyzing world political events, particularly those pertaining to the Soviet Union, have found yourself in a new era of reassessment, change, and confrontation; and your boldness and initiative in dealing with the realities of the world is quite likely to bring about changes that would result in upsetting the equations of power dominating the world. I have therefore found it necessary to bring certain matters to your attention.

Even if your new approach and decisions are merely used as a means to overcome the party crisis, and to solve some of the problems confronting your people, your courage in reappraising a school of thought that has for decades enchained the revolutionary youth of the world behind its iron curtain is indeed worthy of praise. If, however, you are considering taking a further step forward, the first thing that will ensure your success is that you re-evaluate your predecessors’ policy of obliterating God and religion from society2, a policy that has no doubt given the heaviest blow to the Soviet people. Rest assured that this is the only way whereby world problems can be dealt with realistically.
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Peak leftist"com" moment right here: >>2563161

Read Bordiga.

Way to screw over The Republic of Nicaragua

>Uncritical support
Stopped reading.

Uncritical support is for (and I mean this in its proper medical definition) retards. No exceptions.

>>2563041
>chinese triad operated casino resorts
..you mean deus ex didn't make that part up?



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Anyone noticed how when it's election time in the US advocating to vote third party is dismissed on the basis of them not having enough traction but inbetween elections (like now) nobody is working to build popularity for third parties for election season? What's up with that? The Republicans are deranged MAGAts and the Democrats are utter useless pussies and EVEN NOW you can't work to build traction for a third party? So you guys are just waiting to cynically vote for the Democrats in two years? Or perhaps you will abstain from voting altogether because of whatever impotent principle you cling to.

Honestly, what the fuck are Amerifats even doing?
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third parteis have no chance because the system had made it impossible for them to prosper, the only way a third party might win is by being funded by a billionaire.

Anyways, i dont vote at all

no i didn't notice because i'm not american
now get the fuck back to your containment thread

>>2652012
French and greek people called, they want to smack some sense into your bitch ass

>>2651997
>Honestly, what the fuck are Amerifats even doing?
Honestly real

Despite the fact that the two parties are currently very strongly merged with the state and getting a third party on ballot or getting past gerrymandering and voter suppression can be very hard, that could be changed if we started at a state level and worked up. The truth is a successful enough third party would be able to win and trigger a split between the legislative and executive branches (which is already underway anyways surprisingly) and likely bring up much more fundamental issues of state power being being beholden to the bourgeoisie in more sinister ways. Fundamentally our elected representatives don't hold real power, the deep state, which consists of unelected officials, the permanent members of the military, the supreme court, police, the bourgeois media, bourgeois think tanks, private security, and three letter agencies, holds power.

If we had a communist party that didn't tail democrats, that focused on studying the issues important to working class people and finding the solution that's in our best interests, and went door to door popularizing their policy positions and building alternative media based on face to face interactions, they could likely become a huge presence. Instead they do other shit, god knows why

I was told we should not engage in bourgeois politics and elections.



 

There is an unspoken agreement between US and Iran to maintain the delicate balance of power in the region.

Losing Islamist Iran period means losing Iraq to a power vacuum.

Losing Islamist Iran to communists is doomsday scenario for capitalists, the resource rich region is filled with unpopular regimes and immiserated workers. Iran and Iraq (the most susceptible for revolution) alone make up a quarter of the world oil supply. The stakes are too high to allow an unpredictable mass movement (that cannot be entirely controlled) to overthrow the regime.

Iran poses zero threat to western imperialism, in fact in places like Iraq and Lebanon it is the lever that is maintaining it. Decades of wheeling and dealing through backchannels have exposed this myth for what it is - a false dichotomy that sets the ideological framework for US and Iranian imperialism in the region, so-called "Axis of Resistance" and "Forces of Order"

Does this mean they're in agreement on everything and Iran is secretly run by da juice? Of course not, that's conspiratorial and Kautskyist nonsense. They're united in so far as their class interests meet, mostly in suppressing workers and maintaining the status quo.

Will this last forever? No, eventually a war will break out due to capital's growing contradictions and the need to counter overproduction through destruction. The region and the world broadly have yet to fall into designated camps for such event to happen, that will spark the a third global imperialist war.

Don't fall into this false dichotomy, or prepare to be disappointed. Learn from the communist parties in the region who have reached this conclusion.

No war but class war
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I agree. The corpse of the cold war is slowly fading away, and the excuse that the world is divided in "ideologies" is fading with it.

>>2649172
answer the first post, shill

>There is an unspoken agreement between US and Iran to maintain the delicate balance of power in the region.
Sorry Anon, but there is literally nothing to suggest this.
>Losing Islamist Iran period means losing Iraq to a power vacuum.
Since when does the American Empire fear a power vacuum? They deliberately created them in Libya, Syria, and Somalia. A power vacuum is better than a hostile state.
>Iran poses zero threat to western imperialism
This is obviously untrue, otherwise there wouldn't be armed conflict between Iranian and Western proxies, or between Western states and Iran itself. Let's not forget that Israel and Iran fought a war less than a year ago. Was this just for funsies? Did the US bomb the Houthis for a lark?
>They're united in so far as their class interests meet
Completely ahistorical. Capitalists will side with communists if they feel that other capitalists are a bigger threat to their interests, and vice versa. Britain and America considered Germany a bigger threat than the USSR and so they formed an alliance against the Nazis. China considered the USSR a bigger threat than America so they formed an alliance with them against the Soviets. In Angola communist Cuban troops protected Exxon-operated oilfields from CIA backed UNITA contras. Politics always produces a wide range of alliances and antagonisms that cross class lines.
>a false dichotomy that sets the ideological framework for US and Iranian imperialism in the region
A completely absurd statement. Iran does not have the level of financialization, trade footprint, or capital export to be an imperialist country, i.e. a net beneficiary of the world imperialist system. Imperialism isn't a policy, its an economic system and only those who dominate and benefit from it are imperialist.
>The region and the world broadly have yet to fall into designated camps for such event to happen
They have fallen into these camps, you're just insisting that they haven't and that we should ignore what we see before us in favour of belief in some kind of secret cooperation.

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Why do revisionists and infantiles get so hung up on concentric construction? It's a practical way of understanding people's war. The party should not be separated from its organs and the people, it needs to be part of each of them in order to understand them. Letting the army be controlled by non-party members is a bad idea. The PLA needs to be working within the mass orgs and the people as well, in order to formulate strategy. The mass orgs are how the party and organisation diffuse into the people. You need to think of the whole of revolutionary society as a single whole in order to properly understand its contradictions.

The issue with the diagram isn't so much the concentric construction, it's the 'Great Leadership' or 'Jefetura' being the center-point and not, as the CPP and CPI(Maoist), learned "collective leadership".
It unveils that the Gonzaloists are in fact another sect of dogmatists who were unable to critically analyze where the PCP-SL went wrong.
In short you're too lazy for success (scientific socialism), instead opting for an exciting little social club (adventurism). It is easily identified as left-revisionism by communists who aren't just LARPing. You're just as much of a problem as right-revisionists.

>>2651372
I've come to realize recently that I don't get the point of the united front or "movement" as a necessary part of communist work. There are three forms this takes: 1) alliances with and/or entryism in liberal/non-communist orgs in order to enhance communist force as a coalition and to have a larger pool to recruit from 2) creating a constellation of front groups that do things like hold signs that say "no to imperialist aggression!" in order to give "the masses" "political education" through mobilizing them to ends we know are futile 3) work in unions and tenants unions

Why is this actually necessary? The "movement" is always reform oriented. Because of this, structurally the organizations are built to do reform, and are not capable of being "led" (somehow) to revolutionary ends by a communist party that gains their trust and radicalizes them or whatever. And really they don't hold much power. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun, not from your ability to strike. At least in countries where the working class movements are all very weak already, I think they should just be abandoned in favor of building a party whose goal is creating (through mass line and then deep study of the social mechanics that lead to the issue) policy and enforcing policy (via an armed organ). This is the fundamental role of a party. Yet EVERY SINGLE PARTY, whether ML or Trot or Maoist says we just need to grow the unions first then proceed from there. Why? They're gone because they don't work anymore. What will work is guns. If we build it they will come. We should be channeling people into the real work of building power, which is building an alternative and challenge to bourgeois state power. To challenge state power we need our own policy, our own enforcement, and our own ideological apparatus to manufacture consent for our legitimacy over theirs and for our policy over theirs. Insofar as that third circle is filled, it should say "all other administrative functions of the embryonic proletarian state". We don't need to internalize an exterior of reformist or pure optics struggles. We need study groups that produce reports on given issues, we need to enact mass line, we need an armed body that trains regularly in all things needed for actual combat, we need to systematically promote our analyses and policy with standardized media and talking points, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2651372
holy shit lmao these graphs are so fucking retarded WTF



 

are decades happening, or is it just lib bullshit? I have my doubts honestly, what to you think?, I think this will end up as usual, first worlders will sit there and take it, and it will fail
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>>2653871
>Otherwise it's a waste.
Main positive effect of the Palestinian protests, or Occupy Wallstreet, or CHAZ might have been radicalization. Did BLM achieve some results, banning of choke holds in 31 of 100 largest localities and probably other things like reducing discrimination and policing of schools in several localities? Certainly the Civil Rights movement did achieve great ends. What makes these different?

>>2654039
whatever is or is not achieved, we fuckin need all hand son deck, or we're fucked

>>2654039
All of those “gains” are getting rolled back. If you want them to stay permanent you can’t allow the conditions for that to happen again. You have to push people further left.

In regards to Jake Lang I'll repeat and add on to what I said in the US politics thread.

I can't remember an instance of a right wing figure getting their ass beat by mobs of protesters. Like there was the guy who punch Richard Spencer but again it was by one guy, not a whole mob. To me it seems that the people are done putting up with MAGATs and their reactionary schizophrenia.

Also from the reactions from right wingers on Twitter, it seems they thought that with Trump in charge they could finally leave the internet and terrorize people IRL again. Only to learn that everyone hates them and aren't putting up with them.

So going forward I doubt we'll be seeing MAGATs trying to hold rallies in Minnesota or showing their faces in general.

>>2653835
On the one hand it's genuinely radicalizing lots of libs and this could have been used by a competent party to greatly grow an armed body and contest state power. This seems even more legitimating to such an idea than during the anti-police protests, since this is a federal occupying force that's been given explicit immunity from the law for all actions, including murder, rape, and theft. On the other hand it's a totally manufactured political crisis. The strings are being pulled by the far right elites in line with the Heritage Foundation and they are creating polarization on purpose. People's living standards, besides the new stronger possibility of being brutalized randomly, haven't changed much and the rise in consciousness seems limited geographically and to the left. There's no competent party to take advantage of the situation and lead the people.



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idk, just a statement I made. A lot of their officially recognized "banners" (they don't use the word flags for some reason) are either too complex or have words. This is just a flag I made in their likeness (and in the American one), yeah that's all, ig
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Lol, OP is such a dork.
Your flag looks bad btw.

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>>2650983
nah, this is a more fitting demsoc flag

Why would an internationalist movement have a national flag?

>>2652152
Have a great day brotato

>>2651530
https://store.dsausa.org/collections/prints/gear
There are plentiful other flags available elsewhere, but these are just some that they seem to officially sell, and hence, endorse.



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Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
I live in the United States and we were always taught that he did but it was somehow a good thing. I understand that Gorbachev wasn't the one who collapsed it and that it was Yeltsin who did, Gorbachev's reforms just caused it to happen because it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up, but I still think he is somewhat responsible. It was reckless and stupid to abandon Marxism-Leninism for Social Democracy and it was also reckless to let the eastern bloc have elections knowing that the CIA would mess with them which they did. I understand that stagnation was a problem but he should of listened to Deng's advice rather than allow so much nationalist sentiment to brew up and illegally dismantle your country, I understand that the USSR kind of sucked domestically but foreign-policy wise it was the most moral superpower to ever exist, and the bar is very low.

>>>/Draw/5715
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The USSR collapsed because its birthrates collapsed. A liberated population would consume much more than an oppressed working class population, and when you combine this high demand for goods with low supply of labour you got shortages. It is what it is.

>>2654366
>The USSR collapsed because its birthrates collapsed.
This is more stupid than the people who think the USSR just broke down because "socialism doesn't work".

>>2654365
W Hakim

Mario should of stopped Gorbachev when he had the chance

>>2654366
You are retarded. Self-humiliation through stupidity



 

ICE PROTESTS GENERAL
*ICE SHOOTS TWO PROTESTORS EDITION*

Everybody was wrong, ICE began shooting protestors only one day after the protests began. This Thursday afternoon, ICE agents shot two protestors and put them in critical condition in the city of Portland, Oregon.

>What will come of this?

<We don't know yet, but if you had to realistically guess, nothing probably.

Source: https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon
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>>2646428
>I can’t strike because I would not be able to afford treats

>>2653090
ive been saying this a billion times. you need to secure agriculture and housing to actually have successful workers politics in the west. lenin had the peasantry on his side, it was never just a pure worker's revolution.

>>2653285
To the Mississippi Basin it is!

>>2653090
Treatlerism used to be doordash luxieries now its not starvimg to death

>>2653285
There's no peasantry in the west, be serious.



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