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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™


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>>2791267
>you're frankly just a useful stooge to the fascists.
You are confabulating. Read settlers to grasp racist settler history of your party. Cpusa calls platner progressive in People's Cope/ Volk's World, but he is fascist babykiller. So really you are the fascist

>>2791284
Good point. Despite all his halfwit deceptions and obfuscations and hollow accusations, cpusa collaborates with settler ziocommunist party of israel in slandering iran and calling for destruction of Iranian State, the same ziocommunist party that called Hamas rapists.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/joint-statement-of-the-communist-parties-of-iran-tudeh-israel-cpi-and-the-u-s-cpusa/
https://maki.org.il/en/?p=31397 (they call hamas rapist, and cpusa calls them "fraternal party." The only "fraternal" ties that bind these two fascist settler parties are settler colonialism. https://www.cpusa.org/article/our-international-party-line/

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>>2790857
>will make it harder for them to act like unconditional support for Israel is this uncontestable thing.
uncontestable for who? it was and will remain uncontestable for them. an "autopsy" will not change their behavior because their behavior is determined by their donors, not by their voters, not by some "autopsy" and DEFINITELY not by the working class people who correctly refuse to vote for them… so what's the game plan here, release some autopsy and then they "learn" from their "mistakes?" Come on. You and I both know that is not going to happen. Ever.



 

Given that this site is primarily composed of marxists(-leninists), what are self-criticism that you have about Marx's works ?

Personally, my biggest problem with marxism is dialectical and historical materialism. Marx himself didn't seem to care all that much after his Theses on Feuerbach but the concept, revived during the IInd International, now has an almost central place in any discussion about Marxism.

My biggest issue with it would be that it is overly general. Most philosophers and scientists already accept the idea that the world is in motion and perpetually changing. The idea that everything is in a situation of interdependence and that only the understanding of a concept in its overarching totality can bring about correct knowledge appears to be already mostly accepted. Positing these through "laws" as Engels puts it in his Anti-Duhring is imo simply creating meaningless and vacuous terms. Apart from making deontological conduct claims to how we should avoid making hagiographies and seek to have a global understanding of a phenomenon prior to assessing claims about it is almost tautological in regards to today's scientific approach and conduct.
I think a big issue as to why it became popular is simply that it's somewhat easy to understand compared to marxian economics, and that it avoids one having to make normative claims. It made sense in the early 20th century to point these out, as materialism was still a relatively "modern" paradigm, but nowadays it seems redundant.

Thoughts ?
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>>2790662
Yeah that's kinda true. But there's a lot of overlap with both concepts which makes it a bit dependent on its overarching structure

>>2790742
On the Frankfurt School, for sure its literal point was to just try and 'ascend' ideology and move to some weird 'post-ideology' phase, Its whole output was basically that alll ideology is bad. In practice and praxis it just means all ideology but the ruling hegemony is bad. Its a pro-status quo ideology for the most part.

>>2790645
>Anon these are literally offshoot of marxism… The frankfurt school's entire epistemology is dialectical.
Claiming the Frankfurt School and post-modernism are just "offshoots" of Marxism is a massive reach that ignores why they are fundamentally antithetical to the materialist core. The Frankfurt School shifted the focus from the material base and the proletariat to cultural superstructure and "critical theory." While they used a form of dialectics, they largely abandoned the "materialism" part of the equation. Calling post-modernism an offshoot is even more illiterate. Post-modernism is defined by the rejection of "grand narratives," and Marxism is the primary target of that rejection. You are conflating a departure from a theory with an expansion of it.

>Historical materialism is literally the idea that history follows a dialectical pattern : immanent contradictions create endogenous change, which itself only reflects the material characteristic of the world.

You’re still collapsing distinct categories to make your "intellectually vacuous" point work. Historical materialism is a specific methodology for understanding human history through the development of productive forces and class struggle. Dialectical materialism is a broader metaphysical framework regarding the nature of reality and matter itself. You keep treating them as interchangeable because they are related, which is exactly why your critique lacks any precision. You're stripping the definitions away and then complaining that the terms are too broad.

>lol so I criticize dialectical materialism and your first reflex is to say "but other marxists have criticized it too!!!" ?

The point of bringing up Lukács and the internal critiques of Kautsky isn't a "reflex" to dodge your point. It's a direct rebuttal to your claim that these concepts are "dogmatic" or "sacralized." If there has been a century-long tradition of Marxists debating and rejecting the exact "vacuity" you’re complaining about, then your characterization of Marxism as a monolithic, unthinking dogma doesn't hold up. You’re attacking a version of the theory that was largely discarded by serious theorists decades ago and pretending you’ve discovered a fatal flaw.

>Any histori
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0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All I have managed to do is make myself sad. I am starting to suspect Karl Marx fucked me over personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made me into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, I now build a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

The emphasis on the proletariat as the revolutionary base when no other bottom and working class has been revolutionary ever outside of Haiti. Ancient Slavery was overthrown by Landlords and not slaves, Feudalism and Orientalism by the Bourgeois and not peasants. The issue is that the petit bourgeois and the managers have even worse ideas for government than the current haute bourgeois who want to liquidate the whole system and exit the planet.



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"The dominant youth archetype of 2020s suburban and provincial America. The dinergoth sits at the mainstream convergence of once-niche culture: alt fashion, geek fandoms, and downward mobility.

Formed online via Discord, TikTok, and YouTube, dinergoths mix formerly subcultural aesthetics like goth, emo, piercings, and dyed hair into mass-retail fashion. They openly display interests once seen as nerdy or deviant: anime, queerness, cosplay, furry culture, BDSM. Neurodivergent diagnoses are worn as identity markers.

Unlike earlier subcultures, dinergoths aren't rebellious or ironic. Hentai and stagnation are just facts of life. Cultural touchstones include Deltarune, Hazbin Hotel, Genshin Impact, VTubers, streamers, and drawing "OCs". They practice queerness as default, learned through fandom rather than via theory.

Dinergoths are suburban or rural, often working in service, warehouse, or anonymous office jobs. More Buffalo than Brooklyn. They prioritize comfort, creative hobbies, and online community over career status. Content creation is often seen as an exit out of a disenchanted world.

Dinergoth traits now permeate Gen Z mass culture, but the archetype is clearest in the pierced, anime-addled, downwardly mobile alt-prole who thrives in the stagnation and placelessness of the American hinterlands."
The person who came up with this is a rightoid so he focuses on the "overweight green haired non-binary walmart prole who spends xer time off talking on hazbin hotel fandom discords" type, but it also largely applies to the Samantha Rupnow types as well if you swap a few words around.
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>>2789689
I just wish I was closer to 18 than 50. But I wouldn't want to be a zoomer either. Eh, I just regret how fast life has passed me by. I couldn't (and still can't) afford to participate.

>>2789990
The weird thing is, most millennials I've met at least /look/ younger than zoomers.
I think it's because so many zoomers vape and millennials use retinol etc

>>2789991
Maybe the worst millenial cope hear these days

>>2789280
>Cultural touchstones include Deltarune, Hazbin Hotel, Genshin Impact
literally what?

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>how to have fun on a budget



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guys, i think i have seen the light

i think i might be becoming a commie
i think i finally get it.

My whole life i have been moving like a schizo, from ideology to ideology, left and right, but i think i might get it now

its not left vs right, its worker vs owner
its not changing minds, its changing material conditions
its not culture war, its class war

leftists play in symbolism, communists take action.

I have no idea what to do with this new found knowledge
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>>2789675
>there's nothing wrong with appealing to the sensibilities of the majority.
tailing a reactionary majority is the opportunist strategy of a reformist bourgeois party. the rest of your post is just equivocating around this point to dress it up nice

>>2790454
>The people
>>2790530
>people have decided that they dont want
muh people this
muh people that
bourgeois interclass project
socialism is a class dictatorship of the proletariat, not the wider "people" which includes the lumpenproletariat, the petty bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie. Bourgeois opportunism tries to create a false unity among "the people"

>>2790565
non-proletarians aren't people

>>2790564
This is such bullshit, too, because they're just ASSUMING the proles (or "people") are reactionary. Like how do you know that?

>>2789580
that's a trad buddhist bit he lifted from the Chan (Zen) tradition, it once meant that reading can get in the way of esoteric knowledge. Here I think it was just a pseudopragmatic thing he said in his late late years that I don't put much stock into.



 

https://www.biometricupdate.com/202604/vietnam-mandates-face-biometrics-for-mobile-device-registration

but thats ok, because its *checks notes* LE RED FLAG AND HAMMER AND SICKLE COUNTRY!!
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Only thing I am scared about is that under young socialism heavy anti-privacy measures are implanted to combat counterrevolutionaries but they aren't removed in a higher stage of socialism or communism

Vietnam is to China what Kosovo is to Yugoslavia.
ho chi minh was a social imperialist supported by the CIA for being more Nationalist than Communist.
They also unironically prefer Americans to Chinese, this is what the fuck you are dealing with here. They are the right wing deviation that China gets accused of being(Rule 11 - low-quality bait)

>>2790568
>At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery.
You should be banned for trying to push pic in current day, honestly.

>>2790568
>ho chi minh was a social imperialist supported by the CIA for being more Nationalist than Communist
That must be why the Americans and Chinese were on the same side against Vietnam and the Warsaw Pact during the Cambodian war.

I'm uncertain of what your point is, that getting ID'd to use a phone now is unique to Vietnam?



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The Ku Klux Klan, the phobic unions of the Grand South, will consequentially work on the same logic.

Instead of textbook studies determining what could be done, the determination is on test phase studies; in medicine, engineering, and the military.

Hence there is no testing phase, merely a live stage test; a learning facility.

Otherwise, the system would collapse; the poorly educated of the wealthy, unable to broker deals, deal with the poor; the information already proven in studies of industry and grammar, given to sabotage.

Otherwise, the incarceration of police and the death at own fear, of any colour or origin, having been promentory.

Therefore, the constant and permanent end to the economy.

Hi Anon, is this text taken from some book? I'm not sure what it means.

>>2758698
It's just a schizo and/or markov chain spammer.

https://eji.org/news/virginia-ends-tax-exemptions-for-confederate-groups/

Some of these hate groups are still considered tax-exempt in the US.

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>>2757243
If you actually think the Klan still exists you are
>under 30
>don't know what the Klan actually was
>have been psyopped against your own local proletariat, are also probably a localized self-hating southerner
>just join the fucking football team bro and stop watching anime and thank me later
>are just kind of generally retarded
Either way, stop wasting everyone's time with this shit.
>>2789719
Civil War heritage orgs in the US have been fighting tooth-and-nail to distance themselves from these people for over fifty years. Go touch fucking grass and stop watching atun-shei videos.

>>2790362
>Civil War heritage orgs
Reactionary thought.

"Support our slave project".

Nah.



 

The replies of thread >>2766805 have been so poor I intended to make a new thread, giving a historical overview of the last few decades of the communist movement.

>What is the difference between:

>Mao Zedong Thought [ML-MZT]
>Maoism-ThirdWorldism [M3W]
<Missing: >Classical Marxism-Leninism-Maoism [classical MLM]. Exemplified by Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist Party of India (Maoist) as key leaders and influences.
>Gonzalo Thought [aka "MLM-pM" and "Gonzaloism"]
>How interrelated are they?

Comrades. don't forget these tools:
<Historical materialism.
<General-Particular-General dialectical spiral in analysis.
<Never capitulate proletarian leadership to reactionary classes.
<Analyze the contradictory relationship of petty-bourgeois ideology to scientific socialism-communism throughout time, which always ends just yesterday.

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>>2767836
>not for largely urbanized or imperialist countries, where the "October road" tactic should be used. This is important to keep in mind later on in the post.
>>2767841
> ICOR parties operating in imperialist countries correctly focus on proletariat no faith in national bourgeoisie, and united front from below, i.e. tactics of 'October Road'.
I want to know more about "October Road" tactics because when I look this stuff up all I get is a stupid TV show from 2007

>>2767836
>>2767841
Amazing effortpost. Cannot recommend enough. People need to actually READ this. I see so many people on this board using "Maoism" to interchangeably mean ML-MZT, MLM, and M3W. Thank you, comrade.
>>2767848
ugh, did you even read it?

>>2788250
how does one turn threads into PDFs

>>2789408
there's sites that convert URLs into PDFs but idk which ones to trust

lol is it 2011



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why are so many scientists with weird glowie connections getting whacked ? is it aliens? is it some government protocol to tackle potential braindrain/leaks or is it some other more mundane bullshit?

It's da j00z

>>2790089
Probably just the federales wrapping up loose ends.



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>>2789654
>>2789696
Is there a kiwifarms on milei? He is the ultimate lawlcow whenever he appears.

>>2790129
Imagine a MILF version of him.

>>2788894
it's quints, newfriend

>>2789856
Western Europe is pretty fucked. In less they turn the E.U into an actual centralized state and forms a somewhat stable economic and militarily capable bloc in the next 5 years. NATO is going to implod no matter what and at this point it's a question of if the euros are going to nut up or America is going to go schizo enough to invade turkey on behalf of israel or some other bonkers scheme that brings article 5 into question like invading greenland. We still 2 years of this trump term too hypothetical. 10 months till the midterms, the amount of damage he's achieved in the past 3 months is unprecedented. The world's being realign and Russia and china will come out on top, Iran emerges as a 4th power and the U.S either has a revolution or devolves into a shitty decaying fascist belligerent empire. Basically how Russia and North Korea are portrayed as.

>>2790085
>VVITCH
>wayes
>with
>shewing
>discouery
>trve
>erroneous

What the fuck is the rule here



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the most recent Epstein file drop potentially implicating the creation of /pol/ with moot meeting with Epstein feels like it needs to have its own thread. it's pretty much an accepted fact at this point that Epstein played a key role in what seems to be a massive secret human trafficking ring that exists as a form of Mutually Assured Destruction to for the elites to maintain power, but what is currently a lesser-known and recent revelation is that circumstantial evidence indicating that the entire formation of the far-right was an astroturfing psyop by pedophile billionaires and the intelligence community.

in particular, this thread >>>/lgbt/3094 links even more damning evidence that the astroturfing of far-right politics has been intentionally perpetrated as a psyop to ensure that the Molochian demons in power have access to as many children to rape as possible. pedocon theory is not a meme at this point or even merely an own on the hypocrisy of the far-right; it arguably is a significant factor behind the existence of the far-right today.

https://dump.li/a/29c72d#x

https://archive.org/details/dark-web-playground-child-abuse-forum-leak-censored-posted-endchan-03.18.2025

while it's bordering on LARP to act like anything serious happens on this site, broadly speaking "the left" and especially leftists familiar with imageboard culture & history should be investigating and agitating more specifically on this matter. the purpose of this thread is to consolidate information on this and to crowdsource more investigative work in the Epstein files specifically on the issue of astroturfing the creation of the alt-right. if you are involved in any real life organizing of any kind you should be spreading this information far and wide for agitprop purposes.

the masses needs to know that there is no civil debate to be had with the right, nor is there even any particularly sophisticated leap in theory and critique one needs to make; the far-right is simply ontologically evil and we should be agitating on them all being controlled by human traffickers as hard as possible.
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>>2731783

turns out jews did make /pol/

>>2742822
epstein isnt every jew

>>2676365
>glowops like pizzagate
Pizzagate wasn't made by glowies, 4chuds thought that up on their own after russian hackers leaked podesta's emails. However, i cannot deny how weird the emails sound on occasion.

>rightists want child rape to be hidden
>leftists want child rape to be open, legal, and celebrated

>>2790139
Open so we can punish the bourgeousie and other degenerates



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