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According to CNN (If you can trust them) only 38% of Americans support Trump, that is small compared to the majority but that still means that 129 Million people support Trump after everything. And I genuinely don’t know how, because there are many rich country-club republicans who support him and it makes sense for them by why rural Appalachian farmers support him?!?! And they don’t just support him, they would literally die for this man, they are hive-minded-cattle, many boomers literally don’t speak to their children who don’t support Trump. I don’t even think similar populist strong-men like Putin have supporters like this (Correct me if I’m wrong). Like maybe you could say that Mao, Castro, Tito, Nasser, or Kim Il-Sung had ride or die supporters like this but that makes sense because they improved the lives of their people, Trump has not improved the lives of the working people at all, like what does a rural, Appalachian, Gen X, farmer get out of supporting Trump? Trump just made this hypothetical person unable to go to a nearby hospital, unable to by affordable gas or fertilizer, and in his first term Trump killed his mom with Covid.
I know that many will reply “They’re stupid don’t try to dissect it” but I will anyways.
First of all for decades the Republican Party and even the Democratic Party has gutted education in order to make these people stupid.
Second of all whenever something is bad Trump gives them an explanation weather it be Brown people, trans people, or Chyna, it is bullshit but democrats which are the only other option and they don’t provide any explanation, and since they are uneducated and lack critical thinking skills they buy Trumps shit.
Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Fourth of all Trump is a Slopulist and he larps as Anti-Elitist during his elections by calling out lobbyists and industrial complexes but goes back on it when he is back in office.
Fifth of all, boomers are stuck-up and don’t want to admit when they have been bamboozled so they think that they have no choice but to keep supporting him.
Sixth of all, culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one everPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2740177
You are a dumb inbred redditor


>>2740149
>Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Having this Deliverance-ass classist snobbery towards these kinds of people is pretty much the easiest big reason, first of all, why these people would rather die than be Left-wing. They care about their roots and have a deep pride in that. People talk about traumatic Small Town American culture and act like somehow we are worse than everyone else. Lmao, are you blind or sheltered?
Trump spoke to their needs, something Democrats haven't done. They've internalized that, economically, they're just in their own. Actual socialist policies that would've helped them have been totally delegitimized in their eyes. But these people are not stupid just because they don't look at life through your academic worldview.
>culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one ever wants to slap someone shit into these people.
The fact that the people who are overwhelmingly compared to Suburbia veterans with more experience with violence generally have not actually formed the Right-Wing Death Squads and made it impossible for you to ever leave the city limits in spite of the fact that, from their point of view, Leftists literally hate them because they exist (in essence) should say a lot more about the fact that they are capable of being respectful.
We didn't wake up one day in this political climate and the Right definitely didn't start it. It started with Democrats race-baiting, which created this blowback, which inevitably just serves to further undermine any attempt at getting these people even a smidgen of class consciousness.
How about this for a fucking start: quit looking down your nose at these people and understand them. Matter of fact just stay in your lane because you're just going to do more harm than good to those of us from these cultures who are trying to make any real change.
Once upon a time, Appalachia for example was literally forming guerilla bands to fight the fucking army over Coal Mines. Maybe ask what happened there, and then keep studying it from your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2740272
>hahaha Americans are all evil, everything about them is evil, they have no redeeming qualities what so ever, i'm gonna shit all over the father of their country
>why do Americans hate us and not want to entertain Leftism?
Jesus - at least the Alt-Right can understand why most Americans don't want to give credence to them, or could back when they still mattered. The lack of self awareness - whew, lad.

>>2740149
Euro-Americans are völkerabfälle, non-historic peoples and cannot seize power. Euro-America forms the cast-off ruins of European nations. However, by the nature of their struggles against oppression, the non-white American nations have formed historical nations. Urban Euro-America is being absorbed into the progressive non-white American nations at a much faster pace than the non-historical rural Euro-America. Urban America also has much more material options for women's independence.

It's a mistake to assume that non-historic peoples are always reactionary but in many situations and times they can become quite reactionary. Everything that Engels said about the Slavs really applies to Euro-America.



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Imagine my shock when I learned that US demographic losses from Great Depression were almost as high as what USSR had suffered from WW2 or WW1. It was like 10 times worse than Soviets' Holodomor, as it turns out. Simply terrifying what kind of horrors US censorship has hidden from us
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>>2742770
>make the goyim care about non-jewish "capitalists" like hot dog stand owners
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/22/stuart-seldowitz-ex-state-official-attack-food-vendor-racist-islamophobic-new-york
<Seldowitz also threatens to use his government connections to mobilise Egypt’s secret police against the vendor.
<“The Mukhabarat [the intelligence agency] in Egypt will get your parents. Does your father like his fingernails? They’ll take them out one by one,” he says smiling.

>>2706641
The history of Leftism in America has been totally buried and it's sort of shocking to learn about.
Before WW2, before FDR's policies, the proletariat in America were literally ready to have their own full-fledged uprising against the Robber-Barons.
In a way pretty much all the economic benefits and the New Deal itself was created because Washington was presented with a choice:
>"Give us our just due and rights as Workers or we're gonna fucking kill you all."

>>2747618
I mean I kind of fucking hate FDR for that TBH.

>>2706689

>russian


Post a source that we can actually read. I doubt the losses from the great depression were really that bad.

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>>2747624
Let's be honest, the Post-War Boom was a direct result of these policies and wasn't all that bad of a time to be alive and American.



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>Previous bread
>>2744263

AY MACARENA Edition
/Iran/ Emergency bake is over, things returning to normal

Latest News:
>Iran has confirmed the Israeli killing of Intelligence Minister Esmail Khatib in an overnight attack, marking the third assassination of a high-ranking Iranian official in two days.
<Mojtaba Khamenei, Iran’s new supreme leader, has said “criminal murderers” must pay for the officials’ killings.
>Iran vowed a response after gas facilities associated with the offshore South Pars field, the largest gasfield in the world, came under attack.
<The IRGC has launched attacks on a number of energy sites in Gulf countries, including Qatar’s Ras Laffan gas facility, where authorities reported significant damage, and at the United Arab Emirates’ Habshan ⁠gas facility, where operations were suspended.
>Meanwhile, oil prices keep spiking: Brent crude futures, the benchmark for global prices, topped $108 a barrel, up 4.92 percent, while US crude rose to $98 a barrel, up 1.86 percent.

>Important Links:

https://www.flightradar24.com/
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>>2746749
>he's gonna keep digging
figures

arab elites are seethe hard over this

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>>2746733
"DUDE FOR EPSTEIN, BRO"

Those weird fucking Netanyahu videos are being put out with AI just to see what they need to fine-tune when they make AI deepfakes

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The worst, least disciplined 'Marxists' I've ever known have all been junkies, including myself at one point. Sure H feels good and distracts from the Everything of it all but how do these self-proclaimed 'Lefties' (ha!) not realise that they're doing exactly what They want us to.

What are your experiences with drug use
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drugs are gay they make you gay

>>2709699
Clean and quality controlled heroin, coke, speed, weed and psychedelics are preferable and more adaptable to therapeutic use than pharma shit in every conceivable way. Pharma drugs are just poor substitutes designed to minimize benefits and maximize desperation and dependency and therefore profits. I'm aware that the aforementioned street drugs were previously mainstream pharma drugs btw.

>>2709528
You're a luddic reactionary retard, drugs are an integral part of chemistry, botany, the sciences.

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>>2709001
Delete your thread and don't bother discussing this topic in this reactionary viper pit, wait for 420chan to come back, it should be up in a month

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<Drugs are bad mmmkay

Well, most drugs are. I agree with South Park on why marijuana is bad–it makes you ok with being bored. When you could learn a skill or read a book. But yeah I smoke a lot of pot and it's mostly harmless, although it exacerbates ALL of my add symptoms and I'm not going to pretend it's making me better off, but at least I stopped drinking.
Adderall is fantastic (for me) But I have the real adhd that they use eye-tracking software to detect as well as the paradoxical reactions where coffee and other stimulants have a reverse effect. Only amphetamines and tea make me focus though, coffee and soda just make me sleepy.

Heroin and opiates are bad. Very bad. One of my jobs is at a workers' claims company and I look at these old claims from c. 2002 and folks were getting prescribed oxy, hydrocodone, and fetanyl all at once. Opioids are a great pain killer but it's hard to justify them with the harm they've caused China and the rest of the world throughout history.
I don't get Meth. Just go to a college campus and buy adderall. It won't give you meth head face and it's a cleaner high (again, stimulants aren't euphoric for me, adderall turns me into a task zombie)
Psychedelics are good and wholesome but be careful. They are "fun" and can help you become more empathetic. However, if the mother's side of your family has a history of schizophrenia or bipolar it can can "unlock" those tendencies in you as well. Also bad shit can seriously fuck with your mind.
Ecstasy and MDMA give you fake emotions. I don't like that.


There's a newly discovered mushroom (Lanmaoa asiatica) that is hallucinogenic but oddly, it gives everyone the same hallucination. People report "Lilliputian hallucinations" of little people, the size of borrowers, scampering around. It's so rare that there isn't even an erowid page for it yet. I'd love to try it in china before the buzzkills in the CCP outlaw it.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/meet-the-mushroom-that-make-people-have-the-exact-same-hallucination/
https://themicrodose.substack.com/p/little-people-hallucinations-5-questions



 

How do we organize in the face of modern mass surveillance when they ban being a communist? How should an underground party organize itself? What underground tactics should be adopted? How can an underground party build dual power and threaten the state?
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>>2701572
Depression

>>2701580
I've heard quebes OS is the best for privacy. because of the compartmentalization and stuff

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>>2701580
>>2701797
I second this. There are some use cases for a live OS, but qubes is superior in every other way (except stability). It makes it very easy to route all your traffic however you like, as well as provides resistance against malware. Also you can go the qubes forum and always see lolberts seething and calling the mods feds so definitely based. My only issue is updating manually is a pain, and the updater breaks easily. Also good if you're bad at tech because backups of each vm are stored so you can just revert to a past working version if you break something. Just make sure that you change the settings so it's a decent number of backups and don't restart the qube too many times or you'll push out all your good saves.

>do something
Any call to action is voluntarism and thats bad okay?

Flagging because of content.

I was involved in the Stop Cop City movement. not as a protestor, not as an ngo, not as a faith based movement but as one of the "terrorists" living in the woods for awhile.

at that point it was all word of mouth with some stuff organized by signal. in the end, it didn't help us. my friends were jailed and put on RICO lists. the underground organizing got totally eclipsed by random acitivists having concerts to defend the forest, with invites on instagram and other spyware apps, as well as homeless people just hanging out in the woods for the free food from our community kitchen.
One day I noticed one of the activists playing pokemon go. I don't think they were doing it with nefarious intent, but then I looked at the screen and most of our secret paths were visible in the pokemon go map cause people didn't have good oppsec and left cellular data and gps on their phones and carried the phones around (pokemon go generates maps based on "desire paths" or the shortcuts that people make.

kind of disjointed and /dead/ material but I don't think underground organizing really works because eventually you'll get above ground and the cops will win in the end anyay.



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Post headlines that never seem to stop being relevant. The longer ago the original headline, the more points you get.

(They don't have to be from a satirical website, it's just funnier when they are.)
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>>2746998
keeps happening to me. there's clearly an epidemic of some kind going around. a lot of people are saying this.

>>2702646
>nigel biggar
that has to be a glowie under a pseudonym

they always pick those kind of names, like that literal CIA wikipedia editor that named himself mikehawk

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>>2747083
American society has not advanced in 70 years

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These people are actually insane. They have no shame.

For years they claimed to be anti-war, anti-establishment, anti-elite. Now they cheer interventions, ignore the Epstein stuff, and defend literally anything Trump does. No standards left at all.

At this point the only thing they consistently care about is culture war slop.

Trump has betrayed them on basically every front that originally made the movement interesting. And instead of noticing, they just double down harder.

As someone closer to the Ron Paul libertarian side of things now, I genuinely feel alienated from this entire crowd of right wingers now. I can't stand these people.

I used to think MAGA was at least a messy populist revolt against the system. Now it just looks like another loyal faction inside it

I want to wake them up, but I can't because they're retarded… so honestly I wish this whole cringe “far right” internet ecosystem would disappear. I want the democrats to humiliate them in the midterms. And yes democrats are garbage too but at least they're going to humiliate them and their disgusting garbage president.

Tl:dr i feel completely alienated from the right. they are total morons. The right is dying, and it deserves to die.
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>>2735294
look up where the the political "left" comes from

whatever policy decisions Chairman Trump makes
whatever instructions Chairman Trump gives

>>2733386
Some like Thomas Paine were but they fled the US when it became clear it wasn’t going to be some Communist style social experiment. Hence why Paine made his name mostly in France at that time.

>>2732180
Go on /pol/, listen to far right podcasts and live streams, no one supports this shit, except to bait.

It's only actual paid shills supporting this, literally on the Israel payroll, Hasbarists getting $7000 per cope post.

I've yet to meet a MAGA person who isn't stupid or crazy, even by burger standards of intellect



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A case for social-liberalism, progressivism and social-democracy.

I am not completely against socialism (mainly democratic socialism) and communism/marxism, but I think modern society evolved in a way we should prioritize freedom+democracy over any authoritarian regime.

We should organize society within this framework and try to reform the system from within.

The idea of "revolution" is a broad idea. Reform and progress can be considered "revolutions" and I make the case they actually are grat revolutions, because they are part of a greater consesus instead of an authoritarian takeover. They tend to be more stable and irreversible because of the strong social consensus over time.

We should invest in education to teach people socialist ideas so they grow up being strong reformists and end up changing society over time and fight against right-wing radicalism. That's what I think.
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>>2742141
sounds like lumpenproletariat garbage

radlibs are lumpenproletariats and actively harm any kind of revolutionary organisation. they aren’t even interested in revolution. they are interested in themselves and whatever offensive ideology of the week they have. im not interested in working with them and neither does the proletariat. i want to capture the proletariat who like a normal person runs in terror when a radlib appears.

>>2747365
>they aren’t even interested in revolution
and the proletariat is?

>>2742033
200 more years and proles will elect socialism? Oh wait Tony Blair would stop any government that tries that.

>>2747382

Pretty sure only the intelligentsia is "interested" in revolution. That was the case during the Narodniks' day and the case ever after. Workaday people don't want to upset the apple cart and make their lives potentially more difficult



 

4chan /pol/ is deleting any post related to /pol/ being an epstein psyop and banning you. i cant believe there are so many people who thought they were too smart to fall for a psyop spent their lives on that shithole board, trying to lecture the public about what is what.
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>>2746743
This.
Starting this year you can't even post anymore if you block their absurdly invasive trackers at all. All I wanted was to shitpost on /vg/ with my fellow degenerates.

>>2746839
nah he does read like a /b/tard or from some of the lesser used blue boards
it's like most of them were frozen in the 2009-2012 era, when you had relentless soyjak spam on the bigger boards the periphery ones were still doing text zoom "macros", greentext stories and talking about winrar and interwebz

t. used to be a small blue board enjoyer myself

>>2746922
You chose not to.

>>2746757

Hahahhahahaha

>>2746757

you were tricked by a Jewish pedophile and helped him towards his goals



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Hello Sisters and Brothers, I'm looking for some recommendations for TV shows to watch that have a communist tilt to them, or are straight up communist.

It has been such a pain in the ass trying to watch a show that isn't either subtly Zionist or just straight up pro-US imperialism. Watching Scrubs and the Afghanistan war episode comes up. Watching Modern Family and there's constant references to Bar Mitzvahs (with Israeli flags). Watching fucking Hannah Montana and there's a Afghan war episode. Like I know that's ridiculous to mention but I'm trying to say the rot runs deep in essentially every piece of media we watch

I have included The Good Place as good example because although it's not explicitly communist, it is a show all about how Capitalism has made the world hell and only revolution can solve the problem but it still kinda distances itself from that by saying "revolution in the afterlife only". Still the best we've got

Does anyone have any recommendations for stuff to watch?
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>>2747181
bro you cant just spam a bunch of embed youtube link with 0 description and expect people to take a look

Severance is the most class-conscious show of the decade. It's all about alienation and atomization of the workplace.

Moved to >>>/hobby/47389.



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