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This is a highly recent development that I’m kind of surprised that you apeshits never noticed.

The massive amount of production paired with the sheer productivity of modern industrial tech has given a material basis for justifying a direct transition from a capitalist society to a post scarcity communist one.

There largely isn’t any need in much of the planet to justify having massive collectivized centralized industry, armies of industrial workers, or central planning to coordinate supplies when there is so much of well… everything anyone could possibly need.

There was a time when transitioning to socialism would have made some level of sense if it meant reaching post scarcity. We’re not in that time. There’s a comically high over abundance of food, a literal island of discarded clothing, entire cities and towns worth of housing being left partially or fully abondoned. It makes far more sense to just tax the rich and set up better protections for shit owned by individuals at this point to stop the nonstop looting and extortion than it is to work, prepare, plan, and mobilize any fucking more.

Besides, I’m sure anyone calling for heavier taxation against the rich and social securities (as in actual protections against looting, scams, and violent crime) is going to have a lot of support anyways.
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Communism isn’t something you implement and socialism isn’t a stage

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>>2204128
Socialism isn't a transitory mode of production between capitalism and communism, it's just communism as it emerges out of capitalist society. Obviously people would need to adjust to the habits of communist society, it wouldn't just magically happen.

>>2204128
>implying that socialism and communim mean different things
read a book

you are a retard who clearly does not know anything about communism. you are just describing reformist social democracy and calling it 'communism', while calling actual attempts to achieve communism 'socialism(derogatory)'.

communism isn't a label you just slap onto a state of high productivity, it describes a specific kind of relationship between different economic classes and the means of production.

as it is, the capitalist class owns the factories, resources, financial assets and institutions that dictate a nation's productivity, and they operate these assets of theirs for their personal profit. this class is unlikely to part ways with they position on top of the hierarchy, and will fight tooth and nail to prevent any kind of reformist movements. basically every concession that workers won from capitalists occurred while the USSR existed to provide a competing force, and these concessions have been slowly rolled back everywhere since the fall of the USSR, with especially europe (i presume you are european given your naive belief in social democrat reformism) sliding ever towards right wing fascism in recent times. you aren't going to change that without violently removing the ruling capitalist class and replacing it with a dictatorship of the proletariat class.



 

The so called "Prime Directive" is an ideological equivalent of US exceptionalism and a way to retreat into a moral high ground. Basically:
>Dying from curable diseases for U
<Us having the cure for everything
>Suffering from crazy reactionary and outdated forms of socio-political tyranny for you
<Us having the enlightened form of governance
But most importantly to a communist:
>Solveable but eternally ongoing problems of scarcity for U
<Infinite material abundance for us
…all of this in the name of a dogma ("prime directive") all of this while we could elevate you into a higher socio-economic and scientific/technological level, but "sorry," we are "not allowed" to do that for you, cuz… reasons…

I almost wonder what an ACTUAL communist (internationalist, galactic) Star Trek would look like. No shit it would involve the "Federation" enlightening all those fascistic/theocratic/etc. natives to a higher productive level and therefore eliminating all social ills.

But I'm told again and again by American "comrades," that this is what peak communist show looks like, cuz they vet to feel better by that dogma's limitations:
>Sry, we can't cure you and elevate your society onto our level….. CUZ REASONS, LOL

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>>2205916
>It's Star Wars.
The good bit and your picrel was just riffing off of Le Guin.

>>2205949
Not today, but contact with the industrialized world led it down a path of turmoil and chaos that lasted a hundred years, caused two civil wars, two revolutions, and briefly resulted in it being a failed state for a while.

>>2204355
is this a bit or are you just an obnoxious person in general

>>2205951
Why have we never gotten a good adaptation of either Earthsea or The Dispossessed?

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>>2204306
Star Trek is supposed to show a hopeful future where humanity has gotten its shit together and created a government that reflects its highest ideals. Where we travel the stars, not for conquest, but for the noble goals of science and exploration. And where our relations with the alien species we encounter is based on mutual respect and cooperation.

The irony here is that you're playing the role of the neocon here, where you're basically insisting that the role of exploring the stars and encountering less advanced civilizations should be some kind of civilizing mission, rather than allowing them to develop their societies and eventually explore the stars and encounter us on their own terms.



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Genuinely whats up with the npa?
Here in the europe, i have no idea whats going on over there, but from what ive heard and read, it aims to help the proletariat like everybody here, yada yada, yet it does so by taking over villages in a very undemocratic and violent way, killing random civilians. How come you want to free the proletariat……by taking over it like that and even sometimes killing them?
Yes, violence is necessary for the revolution, but dont we have to ask ourselves to what extend?
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>villages in a very undemocratic and violent way, killing random civilians
Proofs? Examples?

>>2205976
He can’t and if he can there’s hundreds more examples from AFP and their US handlers

Shouldnt they have a peaceful front, like a political party espousing their national democracy during election and stuff?

>>2205981
They literally do, it’s called the National Democracy Movement, overseas they have Bayan

>>2205073
iirc they basically have the opposite with an anonymous council instead of one figurehead



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I'm tired of living in this country, for some reason. I will ask the same question on 4chan, but honestly it's a neo-nazi imageboard.
I'm ashamed to live in Poland, if Poland shills for another Slav-killing war (not saying I don't hate Putin or Zelensky).
I'd like to watch some anti-Polish content on YT, then.
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you can apply this to all of eastern europe. Horrible people.

>>2199201
>russian aren't slavs
New baltic cope just dropped lmfao

>>2201247
where are there any slavs involved in creation of russia?
muscovites were a people created by mongols by crossbreeding khazars and fingols native to volga basin.
after muscovite khagan ivan iv slaughtered nowogrodians he claimed the title of ceasar of all ruthenia after the conquered people. this is normal in steppe cultures - when turks first conquered anatolia they created the sultanate of rome because greeks who lived in anatolia fancied themselves romans.

the only reason russians assumed and desperately cling to a false slavic identity is to justify their invasion of eastern europe

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>>2202078
chat is this true?



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I had realised something very interesting a while ago.

Look at le political compass. Now look at the [in]famous AD&D moral alignment chart. See anything? (Apart from OP's awful photoshop skills?)

It is not that hard to notice that they are somewhat similar, main difference being that the one is discrete and the other is continous, but on its own this would mean very little. However, what really interesting is that they both had mutated in analogous, if not the exact same, way!

Both of these systems were initially made for a [two very different sets of] burger petit burgeous nerds. Both blew up globally way past just their intended audiences in the age of the Internet and became memes.

And what's most interesting: despite it not only being idealistic and not grounded in any material reality (by design) but also obviously lacking in dimensions to describe any sort of realistic worldview or a value system… D&D's 3x3 alignment chart was apparently found too complex for enough players that WotC in the later editions of the game had replaced it with 1x5 one-dimensional morality chart ("Lawful Good", "Good", "Neutral", "Evil", "Chaotic Evil") Yes, apparently D&D players are such retards that two dimensions is too many for them.

Now, for what had directly inspired me to make this post: a few months ago on reddit I saw a person complaining about a political compass being… too complex. When asked how they would classify ideologies then, the person replied with "There is only one real axis of ideology, so "Far left, Left, Centrist, Right, Far Right", the more left you are, the better, I am the Far Left because I am a lesbian atheist supporting full luxury space communism". I had checked a "lesbian atheist"'s account and saw her calling to "ban all Hamasnics" because "Israelis are innocent secular people defending themselves against barbaric Islamic fundamentalists". Today, I had checked her reddit account today and… found it suspended.

So, we have two separate cases where a 2D 3x3 quasi-ideological framework becaming popular, and then some extreme chud finding it too complicated and replacing it with a 1D 1x5 one instead. Which… isn't a lot, but isn't that weird that it happened twice so far?
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making the most insufferable RPG: every character must have a political compass, D&D alignment, MBTI, astrological sign, and traditional RPG class, but no relation to the means of production or class interests

>>2205458
If it was just "square matrices look like square matrices", I wouldn't have made this post. However,
>we have two separate cases where a 2D 3x3 quasi-ideological framework becaming popular, and then some extreme chud finding it too complicated and replacing it with a 1D 1x5 one instead. Which… isn't a lot, but isn't that weird that it happened twice so far?

At the very least, it gives us some insight into the psychology of an extreme chud (or at least, its "libtard / pseudo-leftist" variety).

This test was literally created to advertise a green candidate in the UK election which is why 90% of people end up on LibLeft

2d alignment in D&D was a revisionist mistake. Law and Chaos as a metaphysical conflict was interesting. Adding good and evil muddled the genre fiction sloppa with burgereich morality mental gymnastics (see slaughtering orc children).

>>2205921
Redpilled post.



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To be a Fascist in the 21st century you have be spectacularly stupid. The original Fascists were just an expression of retarded middle-class anxieties and modern Fascism is somehow even LESS substantive. Pure aesthetics, not even built to actually take power or government. It is literally just an edgy aesthetic and that's literally it. I know people like to say "oooooh you can't just call them stupid because that plays down how dangerous they can be" but no, you do have to be immensely stupid to be a Fascist today.
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>>2205582
How fitting that a thread about the stupidity of fascism attracts a fascist, one who is so deluded by his ivory tower education that he thinks fascism is when the government doesn’t cater to freaks

>>2204301
True. Will there ever be TTD?

>>2204301
Fascism is a modernized version of the spirit of King Jehu and his cult of the golden calves. A false light reactionary movement that God uses to eliminate one evil with another. Beast against Harlot, Harlot defeated, then the beast is destroyed. This is why these movements don't last long. They are tools that God uses and then throws away.

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>>2205850
pic related

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>>2205826
You seem indignant. I have fluctuating empathy but I worry I hurt your feelings.



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How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise? How do you look at these things and bend yourself into a pretzel justifying it because america is bad?

Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?

If you think this post is actually cia propaganda and Taliban dosen't do things like this at all then show me. If you want to make some noble savage argument that they are a unique culture and we can't relate to these decisions or judge them because we are westerners then kys

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241229-taliban-leader-bans-windows-overlooking-women-s-area
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/22/middleeast/taliban-law-women-voices-intl-latam/index.html
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>>2201624
Remember when the Soviets held a grudge against the Americans for their anti-Bolshevik intervention during the Russian Civil War? When they refused lend lease aid or American bombing campaigns against Germany? Me neither. Grudges are impractical in addition to being unscientific. The balance of forces is always in flux and an organization or movement that was on the side of reaction yesterday can be transformed into a progressive force tomorrow.

>>2201566
>progressive social parasitism

The Taliban are the free market strongest soldiers btw

>>2196876
>Heavy D and the Halfghans
wut lol. Story?

>>2196866
They US literally funded the Taliban against the Socialist government in the 90s you gigafaggot OP



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>>2205780
>I'm saying that the idea that all the bad stuff happening is because of some "evil book" is nonsense.
I didn't say that. It's their entire belief system. How is this so hard for you to grasp?

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>>2205785
>glorified cartel that capitulated to the Mexican government the moment it applied pressure
>based

new thread >>2205841

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>>2205488
>crying recucklican type many letter til wrists tired
chinese century here
burger century gone



 

I read thru this whole thing (22 pages) and while it made some interesting points the idea overall is absurd

Why are anarchist like this? It literally shits on Marxist for thinking maybe work can help in some ways?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
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>>2203987
Former anarchist here. Most Anarchists are introduced to the history of anarchism first before they get into the theory- it's often why they mistake The Zapatistas/ The DAANES as "actually existing anarchism"- despite the fact that there are theoretical and political differences (though in the case of the Zapatistas, indigenous anarchism was a massive influence).

If you're talking about beginners texts:
Enrico Malatesta "Anarchy".
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchy

Means and ends by Zoe Baker
https://files.libcom.org/files/2024-07/Zoe%20Baker%20-%20Means%20and%20Ends%20V2.pdf

To understand the basis of more anarcho-communist thinkers- you can go into "Mutual Aid a factor in Evolution" or "The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin. Both are free on the Anarchist library, but they, like a lot of other forms of socialist theory- are products of their time, though Kropotkin does a good job of slapping around Bakunin, lol.

And as much as I loathe Bakunin, I can't deny he made theoretical contributions, disagree with them as I may.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/colin-parker-basic-bakunin

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>>2205418
> it's often why they mistake The Zapatistas/ The DAANES as "actually existing anarchism"
Nobody does that, the working with and solidarity is out of shared values and projects, not out of a mistaken belief they are anarchist.

>>2204952
>f Anarchists ever lose hope that people can be convinced in their lifetime, if their conviction that transition away from central governance can be instantaneous falters, then they just surrender to being a SocDem as a lower hanging fruit
I used to be a self proffessed AnCom for years until this process happened to me but instead of returning to SocDem land I read some more of the marxist canon and am now just a plain ole communist nothing else. imho Anarchism(or at least all the big historically succesful anarchist movements and similar projects that get looped in like the Zapatistas and Rojava) is/was the socialism of the countryside and marxism the socialism of the city. Its much easier for semi-self sufficient agrarian communities that are already somewhat decentralized and cut off from the State to become anarchist than urbanized areas and I would contend the rural character of shit like the Free Territory,KPAM or even the Tambov rebellion are manifestations of this. My core issue with anarchism wrt to this point I just made was actually something I came to believe after reading the coming insurrection and not some ML polemic indistinguishable from anti-communist slander. They pointed out how (at least in first world countries like france) the differences between City and Country are basically gone. Applying this too my own life here in Burgerland while there are many small towns I've been in none of them have the same degree of local production, self-suffiency and autonomy and previous rural regions that went anarchist or at least something close to "libsoc". There more like skinny tendrils of highway and gas station coming out from the cities than the agrarian communities of the past.


tldr: I became disillusioned with anarchism partially because the material conditions that most anarchist projects form in are simply nonexistent around me.


>why anarchism is exclusively a first world phenomenon

would you consider Argentina and several other latin american countries first world by any chance

>>2203959
IMO the issue is the confusion between lumpenprole and petite-bourgeoisie politics. Lumpen are hesitant to engage with Marxism out of fear of the masses. The petite-bourgeoisie are hesitant because they have mixed interests. Egoism and Anarchism are completely different trends which shouldn't be confused.

- Anarchism is petite-bourgeois (peasants)
- Marxism is prole
- Egoism is lumpen

IMO in certain periphery parts of the world anarchist trends are progressive.

I still need to think through Egoism. Shit's complicated.



 

I started reading into Marcus Aurelius and different Hellenistic schools and it's pretty sad how they all got nuked by christcucks. These various philosophical schools were concerned about practical ways to solve life problems and it surprised my how advanced their ideas were. So much so that modern psychotherapy was inspired by stoicism. Even Buddhism and different Hindu schools are eerily similar to these systems.
This shit made me realize how much abrahamic religions have destroyed any chance of humanity ever achieving true independence and wisdom. Since abrahamic theology is literally a mental skinner box to ensure perfect subservience.
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>>2202956
>Wondering why the system of a priest-nobility which upheld a system of class and patriarchal domination as the highest sacred authority and generally preached a "might makes right" morality (or, as they put it, "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"), where the gods love the Romans, the state and the patrician nobility best, slaves die forgotten in shame and emperors ascend to godhood lost to the new religion that emphasized altruistic and empathetic virtues, equal salvation and equality before God and a very early, crude form of internationalism and separation of church and state.

There's a reason why the Roman state religion lost so badly to the Christians. The people who preach stoicism and "ancient wisdom" are going to give you an overly rosey picture of the Romans that glosses over what a brutal imperial, class and slave society they were and not mention some of their less savory worldviews. Christianity was progressive compared to the Roman pagan system. Anyone who gives you any kind of impression otherwise is telling you a story.

>>2204893
Daoism, particularly philosophical non-religious daoism, is probably the least incomprehensible eastern philosophy. Laozi is digestible all on his own, particualrly when you view it through the context of it being a reaction against Confucianism. I would say buddhism is the one that gets incomprehensible as you follow it's development, and imo gets bogged down with a lot of Buddha naval and trying to "be a Buddhist". Daoism doesn't care for you "being" a Daoist in contrast.

>>2205735
Ok redpill me on daoism real quick

>>2205720
>The people who preach stoicism and "ancient wisdom" are going to give you an overly rosey picture of the Romans that glosses over what a brutal imperial, class and slave society they were and not mention some of their less savory worldviews.
didn't all the y/a fiction crib from this? I thought the kids would be better now and the 'always fantasising about rome' thing was a forced-meme.
idk, i read Red Rising, it was okay ya fiction if terribly lib heroshit

>>2202966
>Roman Empire was one of the only three societies in human history (the other two being Antebellum South and pre-abolition Brazil) where slaves had comprised much more than 10% of the population and whose economies were primarily built on chattel slavery
What about Haiti?



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