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Fine. I'll address it. What can we do to stop the incessant infighting between MLs and Ultras?
There is ultimately a middle ground to be found between their positions.
And it is at least in my opinion, it's the positions between both groups that makes the most sense and most closely resemble the intent behind Marx's original aims.
I am a bit of a theorylet so maybe I am missing some crucial ideological perspective that already achieved this, but if not I suppose I am in a sense proposing that stance here.

What do I even mean? Take for example;

Ultras:
>We must abolish the commodity form and money on day 1 of the revolution or you're a state capitalist moderniser falsifier and a betrayer of the revolution
MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future

Ultras:
>You must never ever support national liberation even when the movement is clearly progressive and socialist in character and it's successes will weaken imperialism and capitalism
MLs:
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>>2659118
>MLs:
>It's fine to have 100 years of market economy, stock exchanges, billionaires etc whilst only making vague promises of transitioning from production for exchange value to production for use value in some distant ever further away future
uh MLs never said that only fucking Dengists

Dengists are retarded because Trump is about to drive Canada and Europe into Chinas arms over this greenland shit in which case China will have the majority of trade on every continent even north america outside the US, and the world still wont be socialist.

>>2659924
>Thus, we are now commonly confronted with such contradictory propositions, emanating from the Western left, as:
>(1) one nation cannot exploit another;
Citation needed
>(2) there is no such thing as monopoly capitalism as the economic basis of imperialism;
Citation needed
>(3) imperialist rivalry and exploitation between nations has been displaced by global class struggles within a fully globalized transnational capitalism;
Both of those things can be true at the same time
>(4) all great powers today are capitalist nations engaged in interimperialist struggle;
This shouldn't be a controversial point, it's literally true, it emerges from the principles of private property and nation-states
>(5) imperialist nations can be judged primarily on a democratic-authoritarian spectrum, so that not all imperialisms are created equal;
Source: Bernie Sanders
>(6) imperialism is simply a political policy of aggression of one state against another;
Again, what kind of marxist says that
>(7) humanitarian imperialism designed to protect human rights is justified;
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>>2659118
>i'm gonna make up two positions and declare myself as the rational middle ground guy
you're just part of the problem, OP



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>>2661470
Sometimes Marx comes off as an giga-autist, ngl. The Bolshevik's "Peace, Land, and Bread" slogan was infinitely more effective.

>>2661525
Westoid mods have been consistently removing non-westoid posters for years now. Your super sikrit labor aristocrat leftist forum is secured, don't worry. Mods have been consistently on the side of not growing the userbase, essentially dooming it to forever shrinking into irrevelance BUT having the Western Left Approved (tm) opinions.

>>2661996
He is going to invade and occupy Minessota.


>>2661867
>now be approached through strength
with the new department of war?

kidnapping Xi?

>>2661846
>>2661847
Go to the incel thread



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Are feminism and transgender liberation ideologies used for indoctrination and social control? Not at all. Is the act of sex, and the cultural weight of sex, distinct from biological function? Quite. Could our understanding of sexuality and gender be embedded in the superstructure of capitalism? Yes, absolutely. But that does not remove the person from the whole, agency from history, or free will from determinism. Instead, we should see the science of biology as part of a long history of philosophy, history, social formations, politics, and the emergence of capitalism as a world system. Generally, what are the problems of understanding sex and gender under our historical epoch? There is a cultural habit of assigning subjective meaning into objective phenomena, which is more to do with how humans relate to ideology, economics, social formations such as class and race and gender, the state structure, the patriarchal family unit, and history. To untangle ourselves from the politicisation of individual bodies, sectioned off like discreet forms of data, as well as ideas about identity, we need to understand how culture and science are not totalizing in themselves but part of the superstructure of society. To avoid the myopia brought about by what people might call scientism, which is really just another word for a supposed omniscience, we need to realise that science is a human endeavour that is still socially mediated. People often flatten or exaggerate a biological fact, a male human is stronger on average than a female human, to inform rigid social hierarchies in fascism or capitalism. Social Darwinism is a distortion of biology and came from a complex history of trying to legitimise oppression, exploitation, racism, colonialism, and sexism in Victorian England and British Imperialism. To do this, the facts and reality of biology are made into a political caricature that reifies the social reality projected by the dominant economic class. In the past, sexuality and gender were rigidly defined and prescribed by the state and the bourgeoisie. Biology was abused for this end. The myth of a self-made man of rugged individualism and cunning was made legitimate by emphasising biological endowments and drives, natural properties and survival strategies. But once you look into biology proper, these socially foisted ideas about masculinity collapse. Genetics inform everything we do as animals, but decisions and strategies are usually probabilistic rather than flatly Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>liberation ideologies
self contradicting term

>>2617483
I just bought this book, is it any good?


>>2660870
Well I'm gonna read it anyway, at some point.
Seems relevant with what's going in in Iran now

Faggot.



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>>2627744
>You're a bright fellow
I take it you haven't read any of the authors that guy refers to lol

He thinks that value ratios and exchange-value ratios are the same in the system of Marx and people have shown him over and over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER that they are not, this has been going on for what, over a year now? Densest mothafucka in leftypol history.

Can you recommend some kind of petty-bourgeois socialism for me? One that would allow for small or even medium-sized businesses?

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>>2657165
Join the center for political innovation. maupin industries soon hiring!

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>>2657177
They're just Nazi, right?

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🧠 Autism General 🧠
A thread for the most Autistic of Leftists such as myself to discuss politics related to Autism.
I don't know if this should be in Siberia or not but I guess mods could move it if it does
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>>2662060
Not my post, copied from elsewhere, but touches on this
>Every single symptom of autism can exist in non-autist normies. Even in autists it could be that 4/5 symptoms are from autism and the 5th just happens to also be a common symptom but the real cause of it was unrelated to the autism.
>For example, let's say we have an autist who checks the "hypersensitivity" symptom mark because they can't stand a lot of clothes fabrics. In reality this individual is allergic to a compound found in most modern clothes and it makes their skin burn and itch when they touch it for prolonged periods of time. It would naturally be assumed to be an autistic trait because of their autism, but the cause was actually something else entirely.
>So in theory it is entirely possible for an individual to have any number of autistic traits while not truly being autistic, as autism is a mostly hereditary developmental brain disorder. This is why self-diagnosing isn't ever valid. A regular person just isn't able to discern the differences in these things, and a real autist is worse than average at understanding themselves, especially in comparison to others - it's part of the disorder. We are one of the worst groups at self-diagnosing. It would be like asking a narcissist if they think they're getting more than they deserve, of course they don't think that - it's part of what makes it narcissism.
>A typical sign of someone not actually having autism is them not having a close family member who's also autistic (could be undiagnosed or diagnosed with something related like adhd), as the vast majority have at least one autist in their immediate family - parent or siblings.
>Lastly I think trauma as a cause for any disorder is often overlooked.
Yeah basically, self diagnosing is bullshit and one of the absolute worst things about modern psychology and "Everyone is heckin valid" bullshit.
>>2662055
The end game should be to cure fucking Autism. It's a disorder and one that ruins many people and their families lives, like my friends brother.
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>>2662075
Also the dumbest of this i've seen in recent years is "end the stigma" especially in regard to cluster B disorders.
I was watching some "interview with sociopath" and jubilee Sociopath videos and people in the comments are like "omg they are such beautiful souls, we need to end the stigma against them", "wow they are so thoughtful and empathetic, how is anything wrong with them?" "What a find upstanding person they are"
and I watch the video and I see a smug, clearly manipulative sociopath who is manipulating the game/interviewer.
It's ASPD, you do not get an ASPD diagnosis without being a dangerous, manipulative, narcissistic piece of shit. The diagnostic criteria is all awful, terrible stuff. They are not empathetic, they literally have zero to low empathy, IT'S THE FUCKING DISORDER.
I swear to god Mental Health woketards are lambs to the slaughterhouse. As someone who has had to spend a lot of time around Cluster Bs, Bipolars and Schizos, Mental Health stigma exists for a fucking reason, at best it's extremely exhausting to be around at worst, often extremely risky and dangerous and at worst deadly.

>>2662080
We don't make sociopath like we used to do, back in the day they had to be charismatic cult leaders to get anyone to care for them, nowadays all they have to do is give themselves a fancy title for their illness and you'll have retards loving them.

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>>2662083
>7ft tall world champion jujitsu fighter, successful never caught multi-time bank robber, started the first health food supermarket chain, WW2 marine, charismatic as fuck, literally brought a dead baby back to life in an emergency situation in front of a crowd
>Creates cult, spends like 20 years banging hot 18 year olds
>Get bored with cult, tells them all "you realize i'm making this all up right? I just wanted to fuck bitches and do cool shit", cult refuse to listen to him and stick around and lead them
>Instead he grabs a hang glider, goes up on a cliff during sunset, says "yolo, i'm outta here" and flies off *and crashes and dies*
Yep, 100%.

Not related but autism score is very real and the more we deny it the worse things will get



 

How exactly do we successfully fight against and reverse Gen Alpha brainrot?

https://youtube.com/shorts/h2i3cGyzNKo

This stuff is becoming alarming. When I was a little kid in the 90s I would watch stuff that had actual substance to it (think: Disney renaissance, Don Bluth films, TV shows like Arthur). Plus our parents made an effort to read to us and get us looking at science books and history books for kids. When I babysit my neighbours’ kids who are eight and six (both boys) I’m horrified by how stupid they are. They can’t read at all. They can’t play musical instruments. They don’t do arts and crafts. They have the vocabularies of preschool-aged kids. They can’t do math and the eight-year old asks me to do his math homework for him. Both of them are either glued to their iPads or glued to watching YouTube on TV. It’s sad as hell. What do?
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>>2602627
The only realistic solution is creating a healthy social environment around children that is free to access and fun to them. Parents were never able to "just parent properly", children always grow up in a society and parents are just human beings who can never direct that process all that much.

>>2660380
Talk to anyone who's been working as a teacher or college/university professor for at least 15 years and they'll tell you that there are noticeable problems in the way kids and young adults behave today vs. how they behaved 10-15 years ago. A close friend of mine (who is also a Marxist) has been a poli sci professor at a notable state university since 2004. He's told me that the students he's taught in his freshman-level intro course for the past three or four years have been the worst groups of students he's ever dealt with. For one thing, no one takes education seriously. He says the students in his freshman course never initiate intellectual discussions, ever. They don't care. They may say a thing or two about Israel-Palestine or about something stupid Trump has said but they can't keep a conversation going. They also can't read, and I mean they seriously can't read. My prof friend will assign chapters in the textbook that are only 10 pages or so long and only a handful of the students will actually do the reading because most of them can't read at all. But the worst thing he's told me is discovering all the "algorithm speak" in the essays his students write. They will literally use buzzwords from TikTok like "un-alived" or "graped" for raped or "jenny-cide" for genocide in what's supposed to be university research papers. He's said he's at the point where he's going to mark down any paper that uses such repulsive and unprofessional terminology. I asked him about how the freshmen he teaches today compare to the freshmen he's taught in other years and he says the ones today are way, way worse, just because they treat education so flippantly and have very real deficits in how they learn.

In other words, yes, "iPad kids" are a real social problem. This isn't moralism but recognizing the effects electronic addiction has on the mind and the way the mind gathers knowledge.

>So fucking what? You wanna get a medal for being a graybeard atop shit mountain?
I'm showing how being online in the 1990s and 2000s didn't make me turn out to be a little histeronic thin skinned faggot like most Zoomers are who are little fucking narcs who can't stand opinions that don't 1:1 match theirs and go running to mummy and daddy mods for the no no opinion that makes them feel bad. The internet until 2008 was a pretty fucking mean place and that built graft among us Millennials that bitch ass Zoomers don't have.
>The internet/social media has become so ubiquitous that growing up without the internet is little more than memories to remind older people about something to be angry over. If it weren't for their jobs disciplining their phone time, I'd bet money that Millennials would be little better than Boomer dads and Gen-X housewives with their internet addiction like the rest of us.
We had the internet, the difference was the internet was poorly moderated back then and was seriously mean. People would tear into your ass if you said anything retarded, being a little faggot snitch who runs to the mods would get everyone, including the mods clowning on your ass. "Just turn the computer off you faggot lol" would the be the standard response to anybody crying about decorum or no no opinions back in the day from 4chan to Digg to Early Reddit to Facebook etc. The difference now is zoomers internalized toxic inclusivity, everyone is heckin valid and anybody who has mildly a different opinion than me is a Nazi and the mods need to ban them.
I mean, look at Leftypol, where NAZBOL GANG originated from our community, they were one of the most creative meme groups on Leftypol, yet they would get banned within 5 minutes now. Was Leftypol shittier when they were around? NO, Classic Leftypol before the BO became a thin skinned banhammer nutcase was way fucking better.
>complete stand-in for political activism–can be traced back at least to the Boomers.
True and we can see that in hysterias like "omg people who like sisters of mercy literally worship Satan", "Pokemon is devil worshipping", "omg I smoked a joint and listened to Pink Floyd i'm such a rebel" but seriously took off Post-Gamergate, Gamergate is actually a super important period in how consumption became politics. It also showed Corpos that politics and consumer identity can be melded andPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2662047
Screen addiction is WAY WORSE than alcohol or tobacco addiction, and in a few decades from now the data will prove this.



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you can just cancel debt and then expropriate expropriators. money is not real. bourgeois economics is fake.
>Bolshevik revolutionaries overthrew the government on October 24, 1917, subsequently creating the Soviet government. The amounts of payments in default were enormous.[3] Russian debt to Great Britain alone at the end of World War I was estimated at between 538 and 568 million pounds. The amount of debt to France was estimated at 3,573 million francs and Russian foreign debt to Japan equaled 147 million dollars.[citation needed]
The debt repudiation
>On February 8, 1918, the Soviet government repudiated all bonds issued by the Tsarist government when the Soviet of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) cancelled all previously issued Russian government debt. It stopped payment on foreign debt at the beginning of 1918 and declared that all debts contracted by the Russian Empire were cancelled, as well as the debts contracted by the Russian Provisional Government, so that the war could be continued from February to November 1917.[citation needed]
>At the same time, the Soviets decided to expropriate all assets of foreign nations in Russia. The Soviets also nationalized banks, lands, and industries. By repudiating the external debt, the Soviet government implemented the Petrograd Soviet’s decision of 1905.[4]
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>>2661269
What was his main malfunction?

>>2661260
ok but when they did this it made everyone attack them at once lol

>>2661885
and they beat them and then won ww2, thats how based the soviets were before dickriders took over

>>2661889
They compromised with the NEP and had to pay in gold or hard resources for the machinery and experts they needed to build the industry to win WW2.

>>2661889
They guys who won WW2 genocided the Boleshivks and collaborated with the west



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actually help bring about world communism or would it just lead to there being multiple little fascist states that cause lots of trouble?

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>>2659598
The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery whPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2659598
Robert! Behind you!

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>>2660465
Where!? WAT!!?!??!?!?

Balkanized if it remains imperialist and reactionary to the end.
If it becomes socialist in a revolution all reactionary separatists must be crushed.



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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>>2660419
guys what if political alignment is not a function of identity

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>>2660634
The IRA does not represent the Irish people and the Black Panthers don't represent African Americans.

>>2660419
Blacks are fully aware that white liberals only use them as a vessel and don't really care about them. How many black people do you think wanted to defund the police? They knew many of them would die.

>You saw this during Occupy. There was a huge push to get Black people from the hood to join the movement and all this talk about how Occupy was “too white”.

This was done by the people who were paid to destroy OWS.
IDpol was made to derail the entire left form a class warfare to an anything else warfare. Race, gender, sexuality, it don't matter as long as wall street can make more profit.

>>2660634
I thought this was well-known?

>>2660419
>so why do Blacks need Palestinian saviours?
The Palestinian people have provided the blueprint on how to resist.

OF girls are now becoming Evangelicals, possibly due to being conditioned into patriarchal thinking that lead them to doing OF in the first place.



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communism and great man theory are perfectly compatible

history confirms this, the most successful communist movements that advanced history towards a communist future, the USSR and China, both did on the backs of great leaders, no one gives a fuck if great man theory or cults of personality are not materialist in a narrow marxist view, what matters is that it happened, all the theory and pure reasoning in the world is no match for historical fact.

why should I care what european marxists or anarchists have to say about the subject? you didn't do shit, you are potential man, all talk, the blueprint for a communist movement is already out there, will you embrace it or perish like a leftcom dog?
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>>2661036
it's the same reasoning that fascists use to "prove" communism is jewish. they ignore all the working people who united to struggle for their class and act like they're all mindless drones. even liberals sometimes believe that chinese people are a "slave race", "bug people" etc.

>>2661476
reminds me of how Newtown and Leibniz started developing calculus independently of eachother but around the same time

The whole point of marxism is that historical changes occur through inexorable processes of objective development. It's completely antithetical to the idea that any one individual holds all the keys. Hegel's (perhaps apocryphal) statement when he saw Napoleon ride through Jena as "the world-soul on horse-back" is completely refuted by dialectical materialism. The whole point is that the forces of production themselves contain the seed of development, which determines the overall shape of the political economy. You're a pseud.

Fuck this board

>>2661032
"Great leaders" isn't "great man theory" you dribbling retard.



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