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The biggest rebutal I see in the eyes of the average person to "socialism" and "communism" is that it's utopic, that it relies on bad assumptions, that it doesn't work in reality etc. In essence, that we're advocating for something that can't be and that we have no alternative to capitalism.
And, to that effect, what are we even advocating for ? It appears to me that we have a bunch of different movements with many different goals that don't actually ressemble one another. Yet, despite this, very few of these movements have actual "models", it just seems like they want to reform or do a revolution for the sake of action rather than purpose.
Shouldn't we concentrate on clear objectives and goals before having all this talk about how marxism-leninism-maoism-gonzalo thought is superior to cybernetic-trotskism-councilism in achieving [we run into the problem here]?

>inb4 abolition of private property, abolition of capitalism, abolition of alienation

We can't actually base our objectives around these vagues goals though, or at least not at the current time and at the forefront. Abolition of private property doesn't mean anything if there's no framework to offer an alternative or to replace it. Marx laid us many goals but, given that he didn't specify what or how, shouldn't it be up to us to conceptualize the type of system which we want in accordance with the relevant theories he proposed.

Apart from small intellectuals scattered everywhere (Cockshott, Schweickart etc), there seems to be an evident lack of clear model that actually adresses the critique of marx's ambitions and dismisses its apparent utopianism.

There is none because Marx decisively made sure to never leave a direct manifesto on what to do, it should be noted however he derided labor notes, value hours, and a bunch more stuff, how much of this was just critique or openly disownment is questionable, so you can vaguely estimate what Marx wanted, but he wouldn't care for it either, Marx like Nietzsche was about the process and less about any end goal because end goals are utopian in of themselves.

>>2573875
>mfw we're still fighting over what the bearded guy wanted almost 200 years later
>feelsbad.jpg

I'm not a communist anymore, all I know is that marxism is objectively the best ideology, more than that I don't care about le revolution that will come when I'm dead or too old to give a fuck.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2573818
BИЛЪЯM KOKШOT
is that Safranov in the middle?

>>2573818
>А.В.Сафронов – историк, экономист, кандидат экономических наук, ведущий канала «Простые числа».
so it seems. historian, economist, kandidat (roughly MSc I think), video (though it almost reads like Veduta's) channel prime numbers. and yeah he's on the Prime Numbers channel

>>2573828

Дикбласт must become ДикВласть. Αμήν.

What the hell did he mean by this? Is he /ourguy/ for real?

The so-called TRULY FREE MARKET



 

Spartan society is unique and rare in slave societies through history. The majority of its society was made of slaves: 100 000 Helots, and only around 8000 Spartans. The question naturally arises: How comes the minority rule over the majority?

Humanity is facing a similar situation, power in the hands of a few thousands, yet billions of people can't free themselves. So the question remains: how comes the minority rule over the majority?

David Hume attempted to wisely answer such question:

"Nothing is more surprising to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than to see the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and to observe the implicit submission with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers.

When we enquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that as force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is, therefore, on opinion only that government is founded."

As such, to change society masses to change opinion. It is, therefore, political education the most important task of the revolutionary.
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>>2564333
>Raw strength has limits. It is constrained by legitimacy

I'd say it isn't, it just so happens that those who hold power within the state also think highly of morals and values etc. but theoretically the state could do whatever the fuck it wants and it could get away with it

>As for ideology, I don't think people love the system. They just believe there's no other way


that might depend but it doesn't change the fact that thinking about criticism like that is still ideology and love for the system, this sort of theoretical attitude only accepts critique of anything if it has any proof of being succesful without actually considering its arguments (that's the reasoning behind the classic line "what's the alternative though?")

>>2547502
>The majority of its society was made of slaves
That was common i the ancient world. Sparta just had much more and the slaves were greeks.

The Roman proletariat lived at the expense of society, while modern society lives at the expense of the proletariat.

>>2557523
>organization, discipline
The German revolution had those and it still got crushed

>>2572527
Not enough numbers though



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How do you reconcile that this revisionist is responsible for China being the only hope left for socialists? What does China‘s success change about Marxist thought?
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>>2573080
Yes, this is invariant communist doctrine and (you) are a denier.
>the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the NATION, it is, so far, itself NATIONAL, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

>United action of the leading civilized countries at least is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat.
Why is there no united action? People will blame the chinese proletariat for that.

>>2573170
Yeah, all these ultroid bordiggers suddenly become voluntarist when it comes to China. They are so inconsistent man. And they never elaborate.

>>2573080
> What would the late Marx say?
You tell us. Late marx wrote Capital, his critique of poiltical economy but as far as I know never rejected the content of the 1848 Manifesto

>>2573080
lol he gets even more explicit and economic determinist



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Thread №2

Переможный, переговорный, пятнадцатотравневый.

Продолжаем трястись и ждать мобку.
Лолируем с красных фашистов, пыняславов и чучхеисов - вместе.
Переезжаем в тюмень, так как там нефтяная мекка и все жрут черную икру поварешками.
Левый поворот путина будет… надо только подождать… еще лет двадцать.
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>>2571450
Главное не Хрущева, а то станешь самым опасным оппортунистом - ревизионистом

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Guys, is this real?


Привет, пиздюки

It seems that there really is no escape from Dickblast. I ain't even mad.



 

>be stalin
>fascism is on your doorstep
>uh oh, better go ask the west for an antifascist alliance!
>"FUCKING KILL YOURSELF JEW" or something along those lines is the response from the west
>wow okay uhm
>repeatedly beg the west for a pact against hitler
>nope times ten gorillion
>france and the UK sign non aggression pacts with hitler
>appeasement delimits where hitler can expand
>idea.jpg
>offer non aggression pact with hitler, delimit where he can expand
>hitler actually accepts
>delay the inevitable for an incredibly crucial two years
>7 years later, raise the red flag over berlin, huzzah hitler is gone
>"STALIN WAS AN EVIL FASCIST COLLABORATOR"
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>>2573156
This as well, if the French leadership wasn't full of mongrels then the Soviets could have mobilized and started a front in the East

>>2573408
>Fact is, the Soviets tried to ally with France and Britain to stop the Nazis and they rejected thus
When exactly did this happen? When did France and Britain stop negotiating?

>>2573668
All the time.


>>2573712
The PDF only confirms that the British and French had negotiators in Moscow when Molotov-Ribbentrop was announced. Stalin simply decided that the Nazis were offering him a better deal and he took it



 

Usually people living under communist rule come out as obnoxious anti communist libertarians but she seems more nuanced which is nice

any of you read the book Free: Coming of Age at the End of History

I read an interview or two. The two things that I can remember was how she talked about how the school system was really tough and education was the greatest commodity in communist Albania.

The other thing is how people processed the transition. They were coming out of a situation where you had to be a party member to have any significant career. There was obviously the state security but in fact people bent the rules a lot and so did those guys, so you were working around the system but you knew a guy and he was also bending the rules, and also some of the dissidents themselves could be state spies, and former communists set themselves up as post-communist oligarchs or mafia (or whatever, however it worked in the 1990s) so it wasn't really clear who could be blamed after communism collapsed. So yes, communist Albania did bad things, but it became easier for people to just blame ideology (socialism/communism) and move on, which is unfortunate because capitalism isn't all that it was cracked up to be, and that has benefited right-wing nationalists who have set themselves up as the "alternative" to the status quo.

>prof at London School of Economics
literally MI-6

Socialist mommies will take care of you and your diapers



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Recent news:
STG sets up roadblocks on the roads leading to Suwayda, pursuant to the ceasefire agreement.
Remaining tribals in Suwayda governorate launch a last-ditch attack on Suwayda city.
Tribals enter some of the city's northwest areas. They suffer heavy casualties and retreat from the city on the same day.
Straggler tribals launch a few attacks on Druze villages here and there, nothing significant.
Overall ceasefire holds up after that. STG prevents further entry of tribals and their numbers keep dwindling.
STG releases their report on the massacres of Alawites in March of this year. They say that they aren't directly responsible.
Saudi announces they will buy a bunch of property in Syria.
Israeli and Syrian officials meet in Paris. A second meeting in Baku was cancelled.
Accusations that the STG is doing a soft siege on Suwayda governorate and worsening the humanitarian situation.
Turkey/SNA starts threatening the SDF and launches a few attacks against them in Deir Hafer and Tishreen dam.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
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Remember the mfs who thought Rojava was gonna fall in a week after Assad? Lmao.

>>2572136
The situation definitely isn't good for them, the regime is once again attacking them, they have conceded a lot and got nothing out of it.

So many words in this thread

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>>2572113
Transitional Government forces opened fire on protesters
In response to the recent violence in Homs, shots were fired at people who took to the streets in the cities of Homs and Latakia.

In Latakia, the Alevi community held a protest at the Ziraa Junction in response to recent violence and attacks in Homs. However, a group of youths attacked the protesters with stones, who were then shot at, injuring some.

A similar situation occurred in Homs. A group attacked protesters with clubs and knives. During the demonstration, some were injured, and people were fired upon directly.

Following the shooting of demonstrators, military mobilization of government forces is taking place in all cities and districts under the control of the Transitional Government.
>>2572389
>So many words in this thread
READ THEM!

>>2572113
>>2572113
oh well, welcome to the best Syria



 

Trump moves to name some Muslim Brotherhood chapters 'terrorist organizations'
"This order sets in motion a process by which certain chapters or other subdivisions of the Muslim Brotherhood shall be considered for designation as Foreign Terrorist Organizations," the order said, making specific mention of chapters in Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-inches-closer-designating-muslim-brotherhood-foreign-terrorist-organisation

Curfew extended in Syria’s Homs following Bedouin-Alawite clashes: What to know
The Internal Security Command of Homs announced on Telegram that the curfew will remain in place in the south of the province until 5 p.m. local time, affecting the neighborhoods of al-Abbasiya, Armenian, al-Muhajirin, al-Zahraa, Nuzha, Akrama, Nazheen, Ashira, Zaydal, Karm al-Zaytoun, Karm al-Loz, Hay al-Wurud and a police housing area.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2025/11/curfew-extended-syrias-homs-following-bedouin-alawite-clashes-what-know

Hezbollah mourns Tabatabai in Beirut amid fears of an Israeli escalation
Israel on Sunday struck Lebanon’s capital for the first time since June, saying it killed Tabtabai. Five people were killed in total and 28 others were injured, Lebanon’s Health Ministry said.
https://www.newarab.com/news/hezbollah-mourns-tabatabai-amid-fears-israeli-escalation

Hundreds protest in Tunisia over crackdown on freedoms
The Against Injustice rally brought together families of political detainees and activists from different ideological backgrounds. The demonstration drew more than 1,000 protesters chanting anti-regime slogans, including: “No fear no terror, the street belongs to the people.”
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Realpage agrees to limit data collecting to settle DOJ rental price fixing case
The U.S. Justice Department has reached a settlement with RealPage over allegations it helped landlords fix rents by sharing pricing information through its software, court papers showed on Monday. Under the settlement, Realpage agreed to a three-year monitorship and limits on how it collects and uses non-public data.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/realpage-agrees-limit-data-collecting-settle-doj-rental-price-fixing-case-2025-11-24/

Ford hit again by layoffs as a second major fire erupts at critical aluminum plant in New York state
The company claimed that the latest fire was swiftly contained and the site was made safe. Despite this, the efforts to restore full production have been set back. The hot mill segment, where the incident occurred, was shut down; shipment of finished aluminum sheet was temporarily suspended; and supply to customers such as Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis was disrupted, reported the Detroit Free Press.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/25/rdmr-n25.html

Tyson to Close Major Beef Facility, Shafting 3,000 Workers After Boosting Stock Buybacks
The company said late last week that its decision to shutter the Lexington, Nebraska plant and scale back shifts at its Amarillo, Texas facility is “designed to right size its beef business and position it for long-term success” even as beef prices are close to record highs. The Wall Street Journal reported that Tyson and other meatpackers, which are facing federal scrutiny for allegedly colluding to drive up prices, “have been losing hundreds of millions of dollars processing beef because of the lowest amount of cattle on U.S. pastures since the 1950s.”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/tyson-foods-stock-buybacks

Sinclair makes full takeover bid for Scripps
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Who is really behind the ‘Gen Z’ protests in Mexico?
A familiar sight awaited you if you were around the Zocalo of the National Palace of Mexico City on 15 November: One Piece flags, anti-government slogans, and clashes with the police. Has the revolution come? Is Mexico going through a similar uprising to Nepal or Madagascar? But something feels off: the guy holding the flag is 80 – hardly Gen Z. Another is held by a hooded man wearing a huge swastika. The words “Jewish whore,” aimed at President Claudia Sheinbaum, are spray-painted on the National Palace. Vicente Fox, the reactionary ex-president of Mexico, stands beside you in a bad disguise and a One Piece shirt. Almost no young people can be seen for blocks.
What the hell is going on?
https://marxist.com/who-is-really-behind-the-gen-z-protests-in-mexico.htm

Anthem Is Cutting Access to Out-of-Network Doctors
A new policy by the health insurer Anthem will penalize hospitals for using doctors outside of its coverage network. Anthem claims the move is designed to reduce its members’ out-of-pocket costs. But critics argue it will force medical facilities to police physicians’ network status, strong-arm doctors into accepting lower payments from health insurance companies, and could lead to fewer care options for patients. According to the new policy, which will take effect on January 1, Anthem will cut a hospital’s reimbursements by 10 percent whenever the facility submits a claim that includes services from out-of-network providers. Additionally, hospitals that rely on out-of-network service providers will risk “potential termination from Anthem’s networks,” according to Anthem’s notice. The policy will impact plans across eleven states, including Colorado, Georgia, and New Hampshire — all of which are managed by Elevance Health, a multibillion-dollar health company that operates Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans across fourteen states and serves millions of people.
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/anthem-health-insurance-hospitals-coverage

State-Sanctioned Jewish-Mob Terror in the West Bank
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>>2572820
Burma? It hasn't been Burma since the 1980s. Why is the US government so dumb.

TYBNA



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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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yes people need to listen to michael s judge deaths corner.

there was a really nice academic looking breakdown of i think gravitys rainbow but i cant find it among all the bs literary "themes" analysis

It's a good movie, their anarchist org kinda sucks

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The should have included Greenwich Village townhouse explosion

>The Weather Underground had been formed from the remnants of Students for a Democratic Society in June 1969, by about a hundred activists who had come to believe that armed struggle was necessary to reform American society. At that meeting, the Weathermen, who had taken their original name from the line "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" in Bob Dylan's 1965 song "Subterranean Homesick Blues" had discussed what actions they might take, and against what targets. The consensus was that the police and the military were legitimate targets, representing the urban racism that their allies the Black Panthers most strongly opposed, and the Vietnam War. Members present recall that while the topic of whether their actions would necessarily involve taking life was largely avoided, beyond general agreement that they should not do so indiscriminately, their actions would likely kill police officers and military personnel.

>The Weathermen purchased a large quantity of dynamite and a number of electric fuses for $60 ($500 in 2024) in New Hampshire in early March. After a meeting they designated three targets, including a noncommissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, which was due to take place on March 6. It was reported that "arguments went on day and night" in the townhouse, with Kathy Boudin advocating that they kill as many people as possible with anti-personnel bombs. Diana Oughton reportedly had misgivings, although others present say she never showed them. Wilkerson wrote later that she felt powerless to stop what was going on in her father's house. Theodore Gold threatened to kill one close friend after he had a breakdown over the plan at one gathering.

>None of the Weathermen had experience with explosives, and Robbins and Wilkerson did not even understand the basics of electricity. They worked up a simple timer and trigger device that lacked any safety features, and packed the dynamite with sharp roofing nails. Robbins was unwilling to deviate from the way he had been told to build the bomb, and unwilling to listen to suggestions from anyone else.

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>>2539918
the black woman power thing has also been super cringe as black nationalism hasnt been progressive or relevant for 50 years.

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>>2572992
>humanities major tries making a bomb
Guess what happened next



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