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Im genuinely not sure if people are just larping for fun or something and making fun of fascists which is the good part about it. But it's stupid as in some people genuinely believe in it and also, communism is a materialist ideology hence I don't get the idealist and metaphysical thing about it. If were gonna win the propaganda war at least make it materialist and real revolution and not some metaphysical buddhist shit
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Lenin himself was obsessed with the emergence of new media and its uses for popular propaganda purposes. He would probably smack your face for writing such petit bourgeois drivel that is ultimately rooted in idealist cultural pessimism.

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>Red Shambhala: Magic, Prophecy, and Geopolitics in the Heart of Asia is a 2011 non-fiction work by Andrei Znamenski. The book explores the links between Bolshevik revolutionaries and their attempt to influence Vajrayana Buddhism in Mongolia and Tibet, as well as indigenous shamanic elements in the Russian Far East. In particular, some elements within the Bolsheviks were interested in using the apocalyptic Shambhala prophesies of the Kalachakra Tantra to influence the Buddhists into supporting Marxism–Leninism

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>>2577266
>at least make it materialist and real revolution and not some metaphysical buddhist shit

>>2577446
marx was a revisionist

>>2577570
yeah, he revised utopian socialism into scientific socialism.



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The biggest rebutal I see in the eyes of the average person to "socialism" and "communism" is that it's utopic, that it relies on bad assumptions, that it doesn't work in reality etc. In essence, that we're advocating for something that can't be and that we have no alternative to capitalism.
And, to that effect, what are we even advocating for ? It appears to me that we have a bunch of different movements with many different goals that don't actually ressemble one another. Yet, despite this, very few of these movements have actual "models", it just seems like they want to reform or do a revolution for the sake of action rather than purpose.
Shouldn't we concentrate on clear objectives and goals before having all this talk about how marxism-leninism-maoism-gonzalo thought is superior to cybernetic-trotskism-councilism in achieving [we run into the problem here]?

>inb4 abolition of private property, abolition of capitalism, abolition of alienation

We can't actually base our objectives around these vagues goals though, or at least not at the current time and at the forefront. Abolition of private property doesn't mean anything if there's no framework to offer an alternative or to replace it. Marx laid us many goals but, given that he didn't specify what or how, shouldn't it be up to us to conceptualize the type of system which we want in accordance with the relevant theories he proposed.

Apart from small intellectuals scattered everywhere (Cockshott, Schweickart etc), there seems to be an evident lack of clear model that actually adresses the critique of marx's ambitions and dismisses its apparent utopianism.
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>>2577835
Labour vouchers are for retards of course I don't mean that

>>2577801
You are dancing around the question. Concretely, how will a person involve himself in production? What social relations, are involved in the organisation and process of production?

I like Marx and Engels of course, but what you are doing is saying what attributes could describe communism. Like saying capitalism is exploitive, highly corrupt etc.
How does production actually happen? Under capitalism it is private property, wage labourers produce goods to exchange on the market for which they are reimbursed their own cost of reproduction.

>>2577836
>>2577841
chatbot or zero reading comprehension?

>>2577843
Wants to discuss actual social relations of communism productive organization and not just basic principles, must be bot.

God you are worse than reddiors

WTF is that first reply.
>>2573875
>Marx decisively made sure to never leave a direct manifesto on what to do, it should be noted however he derided labor notes
Marx and Engels literally wrote the Communist Manifesto (with ten points (quoted by >>2577801) and they were tentatively in favor of labor notes, as can be inferred from Critique of the Gotha Programme (quoted by >>2576132) as well as a few other comments ("no more “money” than a ticket" - Volume I "These vouchers are not money" - Volume II).



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I'm presently working on a translation of "Overview of the Historical Formation of the Haitian Nation" or "Aperçu sur la Formation Historique de la Nation Haïtienne''. This is considered one of the definitive works on Haitian history, written by Haitian communist Étienne Charlier. As far as I'm aware it has never been publicly archived or translated into english before. I might post more sporadically as I go.

Overview of the Historical Formation of the Haitian Nation
2nd Edition

Editor's Note
Les Éditions DAMI is pleased to present to the public, more than fifty years after the first edition, the re-edition of the book Overview of the Historical Formation of the Haitian Nation as it was written by Étienne D. Charlier in 1954. This book is an essential work for anyone who wants to understand the historical foundations of the Haitian Nation.
May the youth find answers here to their questions and reflect powerfully on the History of our country.
Our thanks go to Mrs. Ghislaine Rey Charlier, widow of Etienne D. Charlier, and to her sons André and Max, for the confidence shown in Les Éditions DAMI and for all the documents and information provided.
—Les Éditions DAMI Montreal, August 2009

Biography of the Author
Étienne Charlier was born in Aquin on June 12, 1904. Son of Danton Charlier and Gervrine Girault, both originally from l'Anse-à-Veau. Upon the death of his mother in 1906, Étienne was adopted by the couple Numa Cassy, whose wife was born Louise Charlier, who brought him to l'Anse-à-Veau. He remained there until September 1916. His studies, which began at the École Nationale de l'Anse-à-Veau, continued the same year in Port-au-Prince at the Petit Séminaire Collège St-Martial. Equipped with his second part baccalaureate, he entered the Port-au-Prince Law School directed by Dean Léon Nau. He obtained his law degree in 1927. He took an active part in the founding of la Nouvelle Ronde, which he managed after Antonio Vieux until the review ceased publication in April 1926.
He left for the Northern United States in September 1928 where he continued his legal studies at Columbia University. Then he went to Paris (France) in 1929, where he began a Doctorate in Law. He defended his thesis, On the arrangement of the principle of individual Freedom of Labor in French Law on May 30, 1932, at the Faculty of Law in Paris.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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in this house, dessalines is a hero!

Preface to the Second Edition

The book you are about to read appeared in 1954, published by Les Presses Libres, in Port-au-Prince. The printing was paid for collectively by a subscription paid by researchers in Haiti at the time: historians, history professors, and enthusiasts of Haitian history. Editing was performed by our whole family, meaning my grandmother, my mother, the author (who, in 1954, had just turned fifty years old), my brothers Daniel, Jacques, and yours truly. I had just turned ten, Daniel was fourteen, and Jacques, nine. The youngest, Max, was only five. Our parents never thought we were "too small" to deal with serious matters. I am very grateful to them.

Étienne Charlier's Overview has since been unavailable for more than fifty years. This is quite paradoxical, given the book's widespread critical success and the fact that it represented, for generations of rhetoric students, a true Holy Grail: the only Haitian history work covering the entire first part of the baccalaureate curriculum. Innumerable young people searched for it in vain, finding, in the best cases, only photocopies of chapters. Some also — the luckiest ones — bought a copy in more-or-less poor condition at exorbitant prices, which they immediately rushed to "crunch" from cover to cover, anticipating the looming exam. The publication of this edition finally changes a disastrous state of affairs for our young people, whose admirable patriotism deserves to be nurtured and supported by the best possible education. That is, by the most complete and reasoned knowledge possible of Haitian history. A people without history is a people without memory, a philosopher said. We have an exemplary history, both through its successes and its failures. We absolutely must know our roots. Étienne Charlier's book is certainly not the alpha and omega of historical science. But it is the work of a scrupulously honest historian, with an analytical mind devoted to truth that any reader, more than fifty years after the first publication of the work, cannot help but admire. For our young people, and also for our not-so-young people, such a work can only be enriching.

I would, however, feel remiss if I did not point out that another historian, a Trinidadian one, did just as well. This refers to C.L.R. James and his book The Black Jacobins.

Should we recall that Haiti, “bastard daughter of colonists and the sea” according to a poet, and Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

Apparently folks are still confused about the purpose of sex education. not on here necessarily but like in general

The first and most important component of sex ed is teaching children
a) How to recognize if an adult is sexually abusing you, and
b) What to do if an adult is sexually abusing you.

Comprehensive sex ed includes other topics, including discussion of what changes your body will go through in puberty and how to have safe sex, but those can and usually do come later.

Sex education needs to start as early as possible, because if kids don't start sex ed until age X, then pedophiles know they can more easily get away with abusing kids who are younger than X.

The people most likely to sexually abuse kids are their parents, which is why we need schools, not parents, to provide sex education.  

You likely can't teach a lesson about sexual abuse to a 1-day-old baby, but you absolutely can teach a 5-year-old.  

When you hear policymakers say "kindergarten is too young to get sex education," what they are really saying is that they want to rape kindergartners and not get caught.
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But Benis in Bagina :DDD

>Another thread where Redditpolyaks prove that they're a bunch of child predators

>>2576614
DUDE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO CHINA YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO HONG KONG. I HAVE. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL. I HATE YOU FUCKING WESTERNERS KILL YOURSELF.

>>2577796
>In Chyna they hold academics arms like a cat playing a piano and slap in onto the keyboard to make the party approved words appear on screen, and if you don't hit the right keys they force you to watch the entirety of Fabulous Beasts and then force you to draw yaoi of Tuye and Sibuxiang as re-education.
>The news HEAVILY ATTACKS and voices criticisms about the Hong Kong protestors, not because there's actually something to criticize about them, but because the CCP are meanie totalitarians

>>2577796
>been to
Lmao, tourist.



 

Sooo…….Do you support making drugs legal?
To what limit and why or why not?

Whether for recreational purposes or sale, And how to combat substance abuse and life ruin caused by addiction and children's access to them if they're made fully legal.
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>>2530139
in socialism there is even less reason to criminalize drug use, the problems of drug use spreading through a population will always be less severe than the power struggle between the people selling those drugs illegally.

also life under socialism will be better, people may be able to experiment with drugs from curiosity and not from a desire to cope from the shittyness of life

>>2507952
in my state we're back to smoke shops just selling 4sub tryptamines like its the 2000s or sum shit. tbh its kinda fire that I can just go buy 4-aco-dmt gummies down the street.

nope

>>2501568
Yes because its a healthcare issue. State should have control over this disease by having doctors and other medical professionals administering drugs to addicts with the goal of having them quit completely.

>>2501568

Grow up around anybody who habitualy uses and you will always come to the conlusion that its extremely degenerate. you can make whatever choices you like though.



 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2577780
>Someone make a new thread
I don't have any funny, sorry. Someone else will have to do it.

>>2577770
Counter fire aren't even an electoral party so pretty funny they've been banned too. What next are you not allowed to be a dual member of YP and the national trust?

>>2577834
Did you forget that the national trust is woke now? Of course that should be an expulsion.

>>2577620
>when stalin hand-wrote the CPGB's 1945 manifesto, he put forward something so anodyne that Your Party could plausibly adopt it.
Stalin fandom is more about a frustrated wish to be a hangman and the attraction to a social media avatar representing implacability, iron discipline and a certain amount of "violence," although AES (actually existing Stalinism) was marked by some incredibly flexible, "opportunistic" tactical maneuvers.




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Pics are Bambidbar/Numbers 31:13-18. If you are a christcuck or jew, you by definition believe that the Torah or the Torah fanfic that is the bible is the infallible word of God. These books say that when you take a town, you should kill every single person in them besides the young girls which you take as sex slaves. Why do we let these lunatics in left-wing spaces? Sure, you can make a "progressive" interpretation of these books if you erase enough words, but you can do the same with Mein Kampf. There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion, which modern postmodernist "communists" seem to have forgotten.
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>>2576194
Religion is weird and creepy. They also rape children.

>>2576996
Deists are fucking creepy as all hell TBH. I'd trust some illiterate peasant who believes in the big man in the sky over some Newtonian deist.

>>2576873
you're talking to a reactionary who will pretend up is down, left is right, night is day, and then either never respond when you correct him, or simply make the conversation a race to the bottom where he "wins" by being more childish. What's the point?

>>2576873
Saudi islamist cuck lmao

>There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion, which modern postmodernist "communists" seem to have forgotten.
Find me a single modern communist or generally leftist space where people aren't at least mildly suspicious or critical of religion.



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What should I do I humiliated myself by crying and crying endlessly to a troll that win the debate and now I am butthurt and created two threads about how butthurt I am.



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Are there any books defending the (for lack of a better word) "authoritarianism" of the USSR/DPRK and China?

A lot of the defenses of these countries I've seen from Marxists is to try and say they're not as authoritarian as we think or try and show how capitalist countries are equally or more authoritarian. But as someone who sees no problem with it is there any actual defense of the Communist Party having a strong influence?
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Very recentely (2012) brought from state archives, the book of 1965:
https://www.marxistleninists.org/Soviet%20Archives/Molotov%20Letter%20to%20the%20CC%20of%20CPCU/part%201.htm

%%Questions of History, 2011, issues 1-6, 8-11; 2012, issues 1, 3.

The funniest thing is that this document may not belong to Molotov, but to Malenkov, as stated in one of the notes to the publication.
Nevertheless, the magazine calls it Molotov's letter.
This document appears as Molotov's letter to the Central Committee of the CPSU (1964). Published in the magazine Questions of History, issues 1-6, 8-11 for 2011, and issues 1, 3 for 2012. The editorial preface states the following:

Publishing the document stored in the Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History (RGASPI, f. 82, op. 2, d. 198a) V. M. Molotov's manuscript on the personality cult of I. V. Stalin and other problems of party and state life, the editors of the journal "Questions of History" were guided by the desire to publicize the views of one of the leader's closest associates. Molotov bears considerable responsibility for the crimes of the Stalin regime.

Much of the manuscript is devoted to criticism of N. S. Khrushchev and his rule, while it contains a description of many events and facts that are interpreted from the position of a convinced Stalinist.

The publication of V. M. Molotov's manuscript, one must assume, will provoke controversial judgments among readers both regarding the assessment of many events and individuals, and regarding the position of the author himself. There is no doubt, however, that this material will also serve to establish the historical truth in its entirety.

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>>2576213
>>2576267
The communist manifesto is at odds with any concept of liberal or petty-bourgeois socialism.

<The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.


<Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

<Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.


<1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

<2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
<3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
<4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
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>>2577472
*I forgot to post a link to the text "Marx to Dr. Kugelmann Concerning the Paris Commune":

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/letters/71_04_12.htm

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>north korea bad
Stop worrying sbout north korea and pay your roommates rent tardo

>>2576213
You can read pretty much any M-L literature related to the above countries. The defense will be either implicit or present in the book. Personally, I don't think it's worth justifying from either a practical, ethical, or quality of life perspective. I have read Parenti and others who sort of defended the Warsaw Pact and such, but generally speaking while I can appreciate the development, social progress and the social safety nets which were brought by the USSR to Eastern Europe while it was still a shithole, I think the "authoritarianism" attributed by some to the influence of Western imperialism was more destabilizing to the USSR and its allies than anything else in the long run.



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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What if it was just a massive LARP group

>>2575309
well technically MONATIO were indeed larping as KR revolutionaries, see here >>2547935
picrel is some more trve KR [child] soldiers for comparison

>>2574168
>tried to purposely mislead the reader in order to feed into "le evil gomunists" narrative
Eh, well, that's one excerpt. Vickery at least was pretty sympathetic towards the Vietnamese communists (from what I've read) and was fairly Marxist in his approach. I think he's one of the more left-wing historians who wrote about the KR.

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everyone pays attention to MONATIO, nobody pays attention to the Sip Song Chau Tai that existed for well over a decade

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>>2575338
excuse me anon i am silly, primary source overdose i guess ┐(´~`;)┌
>he's one of the more left-wing historians who wrote about the KR.
would you say there are more of them that you're familiar with?

>>2575353
thank you, noticed that their wikipedia page has a link to FULRO, the actually CIA-sponsored anti-vietnamese and anti-communist ethnic/religious minority rebels in vietnam and cambodia. also sponsored by earlier sihanouk and lon nol, allegedly china too. nate thayer talked to some of their remains in the 90s, apparently they weren't even aware of their leader's death back in 1975

>When two correspondents visited FULRO’s remote guerrilla headquarters last month, they found an army unaware of the world around them and desperately seeking instructions and resupply from their leadership.

>Col. Ayun and his lieutenants gathered around the reporters, hungrily seeking information. “Please, can you help us find our president, Y’Bham Enuol?” Colonel Ayun asked. “We have been waiting for contact and orders from our president since 1975. Do you know where he is?”
>Neither Ayun nor his troops, who gathered around to meet the first journalists to find them since they fled to the jungles after the American defeat in Indochina in 1975, knew that their leader was executed 17 years before by the Khmer Rouge.
>They fell silent when informed; some wept quietly.
>Situated in a string of five villages carved out of dense forest along a raging river, the group of 407 guerrillas and their families have no access to even the smallest luxury items except from fighters returning from Vietnam.
<https://natethayer.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/vietnam-era-renegade-army-discovered-lighting-the-darkness-fulros-jungle-christians/

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