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>"Wanted to have an adventure and kill some people. Joined up in ‘04, did Fallujah and Ramadi, and managed both. Hell of an excellent experience."

>"There are times in this world when, for the good of tolerance and humanity, you need to kill a motherfucker. Sadly most people who are true believers in tolerance and humanity find that activity repulsive. Which I suppose is morally good, but pragmatically a shortfall."


>"Out of curiosity, what would you say to the many Marines and Soldiers who took trophies and desecrated bodies while fighting the Japanese? I find the urinating on bodies as a poor choice, but only because of the current state of media affairs. It's amusing that today killing a man isn't worthy of comment, but god forbid you display dominance. Only 50 years ago, and for the rest of the history of warfare, this stuff was pretty standard."


>"We are going to kill thousands. By the end of it, it may be millions. Our way of life is better, and if that is what it takes to prevail, let's get this show on the road. I don't disagree with your point, I just disagree with the fact you seem to think we shouldn't do it."


https://archive.org/download/graham_platner_reddit_comments/graham_platner_reddit_comments.txt

the tattoo and the racist and misogynistic stuff graham platner has said in the past were certainly red flags for me, but honestly when i actually started reading through the comments myself, i realized it's actually worse than people seem to realize. it goes beyond just teenage edgelord internet shenanigans, this is someone who seems to have a genuine fascination with killing and hurting people, he talks about it a lot and brags about it a lot, he claims that he joined the military because he wanted to kill people and that he enjoyed killing people and he constantly talks about how empowering it feels and how much he misses it.

i've known a lot of people who have served in the military and i've never known any of them to say things like this. but i have heard a few of them talk about meeting certain other members of the military who did. most people who join the military are decent normal people who join for the usual kinds of reasons - Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Platnerites on xitter repeatedly suggest that leftists must have agents inside the regime's armed forces and that Platner is that. To justify this they invoke the Russian revolution which shows how ignorant they are of the history of the Russian revolution. The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteers. High ranking military leaders only switched sides once the Bolsheviks had taken over. They were threatened and coerced into service of the revolution.

>>2829837
>The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteers
They agitated amongst both. Lenin wrote extensively about this topic and never drew a distinction between conscripts and volunteers. Such a distinction makes no sense unless you unironically believe that the grip of reactionary ideology can't be broken. It's still nonsense in relation to Platner though since he's not in the military anymore, and is an active member if an imperialist bourgeois party.

>>2829837
>The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks agitated among the conscripts not volunteers
they obviously did both retard

Platner supposedly has PTSD; do you think it's possible to exploit this weakness and induce a psychotic episode, ideally cause him to commit suicide?

>>2828689
>God dad bods are fucking disgusting man.

you should probably make peace with it because statistically speaking you will almost certainly eventually have one



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How come there aren't any communist mass shooters?
I've noticed that all mass shooters have reactionary ideologies or liberal ones (such as Audrey Hale) and that makes sense, the degeneracy and contradictions of such systems show up on these but I'm surprised there isn't even one (popular) case of a delusional communist shooting up a Walmart to start a revolution.
If someone knows any cases where the perp is left wing pls share it I want to research more in it.
>Image related
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>>2829365
Calm down Ben Gvir I know killing children gets your Satanic soul excited, but Communists do not want to see Arab kids getting blown up because Jews want more land or whatever.

>>2829365
I work for the IDF and I support this message!


because psychopaths tend to be pretty individualistic and self-absorbed and not really interested in the wellbeing of others

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Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/12395.html
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>>2829433

Wait a second why did you selectively omit portions of the quotes from the article?

>>I said that I was the lawyer for the Juche, and that I wanted the detective to produce his search warrant. The detective—Dominic Scalese (I’ll never forget his name nor his face nor his physical stature)—pulled out his service revolver and pointed it at my head. I asked him why he was pointing a gun at my head, and he said “because you are assaulting a police officer.”


No leftist with a functioning brain would ever trust anyone still attached to an apparatus that's been trying to crush Juche collectives since the 1970s bragging about it like its some proof of victory, when in reality it's only proven that Juche is eternal and the state's pathetic war against it has failed at every turn.

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>>2829458
>>cop comes into close contact with juche lawyer and experiences being assaulted while nobody physically touches him

So delusional cops have been making up LARP fantasies about Juche for 50 years? what is it about Juche that turns cops, feds, and all their little groupies into screeching paranoid messes? I'm not gonna front watching them have full psychotic breaks over a socialist countrys idea that's been under siege for 70 years actually made me start taking it seriously. The more they foam at the mouth the more I realize they're terrified of something real. I was always pro Cuba as fuck but never gave Korea a second thought. Now I'm all in on Juche. Their meltdown is my education.

>>1947383
can we stop pretending we know enough about North Korea in the modern day to have a meaningful discussion on it? there’s basically no reports on anything they’ve done internally in the last 30 years that aren’t bourgeois rumors and myths.

>>2829446
>Your drug policy is an expression of bourgeois hypocrisy. You incarcerate the lumpen for possessing a plant or drug while the bourgeoisie consumes a multi billion dollar alcohol and tobacco industry that legally kills over 500,000 Americans every year

why can't they just drink and smoke too?

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Found this to be pretty interesting:
Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un delivered a programmatic speech on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the founding of the Central Cadre School of the Workers' Party of Korea .
http://www.kcna.kp/kp/article/q/f85a8804d089bd383769e68d3e714ca0.kcmsf


Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un paid a congratulatory visit to the Central Cadre School of the Workers' Party of Korea, marking its 80th anniversary.
http://www.kcna.kp/kp/article/q/940f167b2d9433cd0946926ceeff0d72.kcmsf



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Canada has declared a recession

>>2829773
So how fucked are we?

>>2829818
idk but apparently we're the only one in the G7 to have one.



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3 questions divide the Marxists from the Liberals
>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
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>Neither person belong to the proletariat. The gourmet chef is an artisan and the shop owner is petty bourgeois.
>No, Native Americans do not have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup. Existing indigenous peoples can be afforded certain rights based on the continuity of their culture, but genetics is irrelevant to this.
>Capitalist society is largely an improvement over pre-capitalist society in material terms, but more importantly it is a progressive *development* of society in the Hegelian sense.

Don’t care, die, and fuck ofd

>>2827977
>Unless you think Marx was not a Marxist.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm

>The materialist conception of history has a lot of them nowadays, to whom it serves as an excuse for not studying history. Just as Marx used to say, commenting on the French "Marxists" of the late [18]70s: "All I know is that I am not a Marxist."

>>2829737
I love this quote because it's Marx saying "those uyghas so retarded I renounce myself to not be associated with them"

>David is a gourmet chef who works for a restaurant and makes $200,000 a year. Barry is the owner of a Deli Shop and makes $50,000 a year. Based purely on the information given, which person is a Proletariat? Barry, David, both or neither?
Both if they are class consciouss
>Do Native Americans, the descendents of the Pre-Columbian population of what is now the United States, have a unique right to their land based on their genetic makeup?
No
>Capitalist society is an improvement over pre-Capitalist society. True or False?
True



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Vietnam has a smaller public sector than the United States and they are Pro-America, Pro-Israel, and Anti-China in their foreign policy. I have no idea how after America nearly committed genocide in your country you can put them over fellow socialist states, they will condemn America when it does something shitty but never act on it, they are practically just Spain, Norway, or Ireland when it comes to foreign policy. I know that China is also shitty when it comes to foreign policy and stuff too but they are at least technically Anti-America.
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It’s gonna be really funny when the communist revolution overthrows the communist party because of gas shortages

>>2829088
I think selling drugs is a bit different than robbing banks anon.

>>2829056
>Idk man, maybe because the Soviet Union failed to sufficiently support them when a genocidal war was being waged against them?
The USSR provided them with tons of support and the two countries remained close allies afterwards wtf are you on about?

>>2796607
>What is socialist sovereignty supposed to look like in this region?
Common waters administrated by a soviet of peoples coming from the region.

>>2829723
everybody is already claiming it's their regions,SSRs would still fight over it



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I don't care about
>the nation
>religion
>family
I care about
>my wage
>my leisure time
>my rest time
This is why I fight for
<higher wages
<more leisure
<more rest
Fighting for any of the first three doesn't guarantee any of these. It is not in my personal interest to fight for
>the nation
>religion
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it's more about removing fetters i.e. getting the retards out of the way so we can fix this shit.

>>2796856
>I fight for
>Fighting for any
>my personal interest to fight for
>I only fought for
>If I didn't fight for

posting on leftypol isn't fighting

>>2797016
Because Deng wanted workers to have more money so they can contribute to the Chinese economy uyghur

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>>2801232
>Deng wanted workers to have more money so they can contribute to the Chinese economy

He wanted to prioritize the elimination of poverty:

<Then in 1966 came the “cultural revolution”, which lasted a whole decade, a real disaster for China. During that period many veteran cadres suffered persecution, including me. I was labelled the "No. 2 Capitalist Roader" after Liu Shaoqi. Liu was called "commander-in-chief of the bourgeois headquarters" and I "deputy commander-in-chief". Many strange things happened in those days. For instance, people were told that they should be content with poverty and backwardness and that it was better to be poor under socialism and communism than to be rich under capitalism. That was the sort of rubbish peddled by the Gang of Four. There is no such thing as socialism and communism with poverty. The ideal of Marxists is to realize communism. According to Marx, communist society is a society in which the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. What is the principle of to each according to his needs? How can we apply this principle without highly developed productive forces and vast material wealth? According to Marxism, communist society is a society in which there is overwhelming material abundance. Socialism is the first stage of communism; it means expanding the productive forces, and it represents a long historical period. Only if we constantly expand the productive forces can we finally achieve communism. The Gang of Four's absurd theory of socialism and communism led only to poverty and stagnation. […] Certain individuals, pretending to support the reform and the open policy, call for wholesale Westernization of China in an attempt to lead the country towards capitalism. These people don't really support our policies; they are only trying vainly to change the nature of our society. If China were totally Westernized and went capitalist, it would be absolutely impossible for us to modernize. The problem we have to solve is how to enable our one billion people to cast off poverty and become prosperous. If we adopted the capitalist system in China, probably a small number of people would be enriched, while the overwhelming majority would remain in a permanent state of poverty. If that happened
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>>2796856
"Fighting for wages" is bernsteinian economism, not leninism



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A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:

- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)

-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well

-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted

-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country

-North Korea is a abomination of socialism

-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
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>>2823099
>>2823600
The kids will never fuck you, brotatonator.

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>>2704023
You are spiritually Israeli.

>>2827826
reactionary

>>2828066
If that’s the case libtard, why do pedophobes claim that the AoC should exist because minors are just sooooo easy peasy to get laid with? What difference would the AoC make if I don’t have the ability to seduce minors as you say?

Either you or them can be true, not both

>>2792061
I don't agree but a funny factoid is that the nazis thought interracial laws of the usa, also known as one drop policies, were too extreme, so while I don't really agree, hitler def was an ameriboo



 

The cults of personality of 20th century communism were a mistake, though perhaps unavoidable. The emergence of pronounced cults of personality in several 20th-century socialist states can be understood as a historical misstep rather than an inherent feature of Marxist theory. Stalin himself denounced this in his interview with Feuchtwanger, and some personal letters. The concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat, as developed within Marxism, refers to the collective rule of the working class organized through its institutions. In practice, however, this principle was often conflated with the authority of individual leaders such as Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Kim Il Sung. This conflation obscured the distinction between class power exercised through mass participation and the symbolic centrality of particular historical figures.

This development did not arise in a vacuum. Many of the societies in which socialist revolutions succeeded were shaped by predominantly peasant populations, relatively low levels of literacy, and recent histories of feudal or semi-feudal rule. In such contexts, political authority had long been associated with monarchs, emperors, or strongman figures. It is therefore unsurprising that revolutionary movements, even when grounded in collective and egalitarian ideals, were interpreted through familiar cultural patterns that emphasized personal leadership. The elevation of revolutionary figures into near-mythic symbols can be seen as a byproduct of these conditions rather than a deliberate theoretical aim.

Recognizing this helps clarify that the issue was not simply the presence of influential leaders, but the tendency to substitute their personal authority for the organized, conscious activity of the working masses. A more consistent application of proletarian rule would emphasize institutions, education, and participation over symbolic identification with individuals. Understanding the historical roots of these personality cults allows for a more grounded assessment of past socialist experiences without reducing them to caricature or dismissing their broader social and economic transformations.
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>>2798819
The party and the people wanted to keep his body, what I think trumps his personal desires on the matter. Happy May Day.

>>2798819
there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him

>>2798799
OP's post might lowkirkenuinely be LLM generated but if you disagree with it your still a crypto-sorelian tbh

They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice

>>2799025
>LLM generated
source was provided for the Feuchtwanger interview
>lowkirkenuinely
is this some kind of word filter
>>2798832
>there will come a joyous day when we will have to say "Sorry Lenin" and put up even more statues of him
lol
>>2799181
>They were a product of their time/material conditions not a policy choice
stalin says it's both if you read the feuchtwanger interview



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Not gonna bother defining "leftist" cause it's a stupid conversation. Just talking about stuff where you'll hear someone who agrees with you politically say something and instantly think "this guy is not the same as me".

Here's my examples
>Being religious
>Is against violent opposition to fascists
>Anti-gun
>"You know tucker carlson and fuentes have some good points"
>Thinks opposing israel is more important than opposing capitalism
>Likes candace owens or any rightoid commentator
>Watches hasan or any twitch streamer
>Gets oddly defensive if you say "we should kill fascists" or anything like that
>Weirdly defensive of trump or really any world leader
>Likes modern day russia
>Supports ukraine
>Unironically complains about wokeness
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>>2829416
Leninists, I respect them and give conditional support for their advocacy of national liberation and anti imperialism but it's just state capitalism with the false promise that they're somehow building socialism while the actual proletariat has little to no agency.

There are no fake leftists, but there are fake communists.

People who shill for Demonrats (the lengths so many amerikkkana on this board are going to in order to defend Graham "I love killing brown people and getting Nazi tats" Platner is insane).

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>Is a pedophile
I promise you Beria was a much better and relevant leftist than you or anyone after 1968 bro.(USER ALREADY BANNED)

>>2829416
Broadly: has a personality type at odds with that of the broad swathe of leftists and liberals.
Any specific policy position runs into the problem that most people don't think that hard about policy and may have different psychological motivations for arriving at their stupid opinions. A socdem who is kind of passively anti-transgender because they think it loses elections is typologically a socdem with a stupid opinion, which is broadly of the leftish-type, while a much better read socialist may still be a fake leftist if they're clearly obsessed with hating transhumanists to the detriment of their socialism. (e.g. typologically they are anti-transgender with incidental socialist views)
If this is too contentious, consider guns: a socdem who is anti-gun because guns hurt people is clearly left-liberal, a socialist who is pro-gun because they see it as necessary to bring about radical social change is clearly leftist too, while a "socialist" who is pro-gun because they have intense fantasies of shooting everyone who ever wronged them is a nutter who is very likely to be won over by the right's greater indulgence of that fantasy.

In big-5 terms, you are very likely to be a "fake leftist" if you are all of these:
>low openness
>low agreeableness
>low neuroticism
with openness being the single most important trait (it's hard to want to upend the status quo if you hate new things), followed by agreeableness (leftism is, after all, wanting nice things…), then neuroticism. (this one's more statistical: a lot of leftists and liberals want leftist and liberal policy because it provides security, and they identify their neurotic tendencies with an external cause in the economic/social system. this is also why liberals trend left in reality, because as their specific social issues no longer serve as an adequate explanation for why they feel the way they do, they intellectualise it further and go "It must be the entire social and economic system, Marx was right!")

These things are also relative by country. That is to say, in the developing world a socialist may be low on all 3 of those traits by first-world standards (because of a more generally conservative society etc), but he will be relatively high on thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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