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I recently started reading Lukacs's ontology of a social being and my whole understanding of dialectics has been flipped.

Originally, I had read Engels' Anti-Duhring, in which he argues that dialectical analysis is essentially a physical interaction, which, in human societies, translate into different classes fighting for their existence and needs (i.e. the bourgeoisie wants low salaries, the proletariat needs higher salaries, conflict occurs = law of interpenetration of opposites). The argument is very "physicalist" and relies on seeing nature as a totality in constant mutation.

HOWEVER, Lukacs seems to completely disregard this. Instead, his dialectics could be best described by the following : Any individual has multiple possibilities to realize his "teleological acts" (conscious acts aimed at satisfaction of desires/needs/sustenance etc). Alienation occurs when he is constrained by an external cause to choose a possibility unsatisfactory compared to others. As such, the dialectic is essentially a movement between the individual who attempts to overcome this alienation, which translates into class war (proletariat see capitalism as irrational for them, but are forced to endure it => conflict with the bourgeoisie).

So, which is it ? Lukacs' dialectics imo can be reconciled with Engels, but it makes the latter's work appear as very superficial.
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>>2787939
>uninformed takes
A utilitarian believes that what is good is what is pleasurable, no?
>ask chat gpt
I am asking how you define terms so that I may understand your position. You say that there is a difference between "objective" and "truth-apt" claims and that I make the mistake of confusing the two, so could you explain where I go wrong in my reasoning, please?
>You're using the polysemic character of "pleasure" to try to shift my words into something they're not.
… But you said "yep" when I asked you if what is good is defined by what is pleasurable, so you appear to be contradicting yourself. If you could then answer the question again; is goodness defined by what is pleasurable?
>It's perfectly fine to say "I enjoy X therefore X is good". In fact, we do so very often.
Yes, informally; colloquially. But formally, there is a problem, since the statements do not directly relate.
>don't understand the difference between objective moral propositions and truth-apt
Then explain it to me, as I have requested. Help me be better

>>2787951
>A utilitarian believes that what is good is what is pleasurable, no?
>Then explain it to me, as I have requested. Help me be better
>You say that there is a difference between "objective" and "truth-apt" claims and that I make the mistake of confusing the two, so could you explain where I go wrong in my reasoning, please?
Not interested; it was fun to debate with you because it was entertaining to humiliate you. But now ? I'll pass.

>But formally, there is a problem, since the statements do not directly relate

This statement can be directly answered by the one just above it
>is goodness defined by what is pleasurable?
<(yes, but only in a limited sense that you'll try to twist)

>>2787952
India is actually ethnic han

>>2787966
>I'll pass.
Okay, well I'm sure we have helped each other in this discussion in our own ways, but I must say that I'm glad its over after so long. 😅
I wish you well, my friend. 🫡

>>2787970
Godspeed smithanon, have fun derailing other threads !

so shall we actually discuss dialectics now



 

/leftypol/'s most ignored general is back

Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades: Study
https://ground.news/article/earth-is-now-heating-up-twice-as-fast-as-in-previous-decades-study_63acf6

Humanity heating planet faster than ever before, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/mar/06/humanity-heating-planet-faster-than-ever-before-study-finds

Microplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, at much higher levels than healthy tissues, study reveals
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260225001250.htm


Was War with Iran Sparked by Water?
https://erickeyser.substack.com/p/was-war-with-iran-sparked-by-water?r=1r05cx&triedRedirect=true&_src_ref=old.reddit.com

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Mr. Beast will solve the climate


We've likely got a fat el niño incoming this year folkx

https://chrisgloninger.substack.com/p/something-is-brewing-in-the-pacific

>What a super El Niño does, when it arrives on top of a baseline that has shifted this much this fast, is pile the natural variability on top of the anthropogenic forcing in a way that pushes the climate system into territory that has no close analog anywhere in the observational record. The 1997 event occurred when the planet was roughly 0.6°C above preindustrial. The 2015 event occurred around 1.0°C. If we get the event the models are forecasting, it will occur at somewhere between 1.4 and 1.5°C of warming. We are not looking at 1997 plus a little more heat. We are looking at a fundamentally different starting point, with the same amount of additional energy being dumped out of the Pacific into an atmosphere that has already been primed by three decades of accelerating fossil fuel emissions.


>Let me put some concrete numbers around what we should expect, because abstractions about degrees Celsius tend to glaze people’s eyes over, and this is going to affect food supplies, insurance markets, and public health in ways that will be impossible to ignore by December.


>The 1997 super El Niño caused an estimated five trillion dollars in global damage, according to subsequent economic analyses, including crop losses in Southeast Asia and Australia, catastrophic flooding along the west coast of South America, severe drought and wildfire activity in Indonesia and the Amazon, coral bleaching across the Pacific, and a spike in vector-borne disease in several parts of the tropics. That figure is in late-1990s dollars, against a global economy less than a third the size of today’s. The modern equivalent would be significantly larger even before you factor in the additional warming that has occurred since.

>>2788301
>fat el nino
>boe is estimated as a possibility this year
…..OH NO

>>2788301
But I don't want to



 

https://apnews.com/article/religion-church-evangelical-men-women-poll-f2b07f8d5e0e29b7b75334a8b2bbd3a6
It seems as if zoomer men are becoming more religious and doubling down on the chuddery in spite of everything. What is to be done?
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>>2787341
https://www.gallup.com/175307/gallup-poll-social-series-methodology.aspx
Gallup does mostly Cellphone calls and a few landline ones. No online stuff from what I can tell

>>2787151
Charlie Kirk statue at Ave Maria University (USA/FL/SW-Naples Area).
https://www.gulfcoastnewsnow.com/article/ave-maria-university-sculpture-jesus-christ-charlie-kirk/69015426

Bishop Barron intruding upon the sidewalk near a Planned Parenthood.
https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/bishop-barron-holds-prayer-at-planned-parenthood-protest-against-the-culture-of-death

Fr. Mike aiding and abetting the March for Life.
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/father-mike-schmitz-at-march-for-life-rally-every-person-matters

Most major Catholic Universities aiding and abetting the March for Life.
https://franciscan.edu/franciscan-university-at-52nd-annual-march-for-life/

USCCB banning Trans Healthcare.
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/12/g-s1-97651/gender-affirming-care-ban-catholic-hospitals
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>>2786921
deboonked

>>2786921
Another Great Awakening is happening and Zoomers are not getting "conservative". Fifth Great Awakening will eventually replace the prosperity gospelism that has infected the US since the 60s and finalized with the Reagan Revolution. All with US government blessing to destroy any social movement.It will be Social Gospelism coming back reflecting the shift that Zoomers are going towards.

LARP. Reddit atheists are cringe so nihlists are claiming to be Christian now. You got guys like Sam Hyde saying they're Christian which tells you everything you need to know.



 

Humanitarian activists sailing to Gaza attempt to divert cargo ship bound for Israel
According to ship tracking website Marine Traffic, the MSC Maya was southwest of the Italian island of Sicily and bound for Ashdod, Israel at the time of the announcement. Video footage posted to social media by the group showed at least three sailing boats circulating the massive vessel. “[Thirteen] Global Sumud Flotilla vessels are diverting the MSC Maya and disrupting the flow of raw materials bound for the genocidal war machine,” the activists said.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/humanitarian-activists-sailing-gaza-attempt-divert-cargo-ship-bound-israel

Iraqi Shi’ite leaders pick Bassem al-Badry as PM nominee, sources say
The leaders of Iraq's main Shi'ite Muslim political ​blocs picked government official Bassem ‌al-Badry as their nominee for the post of prime minister in a meeting on Monday, ​two Iraqi Shi'ite officials said, ​though no official announcement was made.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iraq-shiite-alliance-names-bassem-al-badry-pm-nominee-2026-04-20/

Bahraini king orders citizenship to be stripped from 'traitors' amid Iran war
King Hamad said the state would move forward "with full firmness" in addressing the consequences of the current phase, noting that Crown Prince and Prime Minister Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa had been tasked with implementing comprehensive measures to address any security or economic gaps, in addition to "immediately" taking the necessary action against anyone who had "betrayed the nation."
https://www.newarab.com/news/bahraini-king-orders-citizenship-be-stripped-traitors

Arrests fuel fears among Madagascar’s gen Z protesters that new regime no better than one they overthrew
Two of the activists were released and admitted to hospital on Tuesday, Maromanana said. On Friday, only Herizo, the group’s leader, was stiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Trump labor secretary Lori Chavez-DeRemer resigns amid misconduct investigation
The labor secretary and her close aides are currently under investigation by the department’s inspector general over allegations of professional misconduct. These include claims that Chavez-DeRemer had an affair with a member of her security detail, kept a “stash” of alcohol in her office and used government resources for personal travel, while her aides allegedly sought to channel grants towards politically connected figures, the New York Times reported in March.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/20/trump-labor-secretary-lori-chavez-deremer

US Justice Department demands 2024 Detroit-area ballots in latest move for local election records
The letter, from the head of the department’s Civil Rights Division, appears to be a widening of Trump’s grievances over his false claims that widespread fraud cost him the 2020 election while at the same time looking ahead to this fall’s critical midterm election, when control of the U.S. House and Senate is in the balance.
https://apnews.com/article/justice-department-elections-trump-wayne-county-michigan-4341df00ea8a2814a9fd42f2225d4495

Wall Street regulators jointly propose to trim Biden-era private fund reporting rules
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and Commodity Futures Trading Commission on Monday jointly proposed ​reforms to Biden-era regulations on enhanced disclosures by the $26 trillion private fund industry, the ‌agencies announced. The SEC said the changes, if adopted, would reduce burdens on the private funds and investment advisers while still requiring the collection of "necessary and appropriate" information.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/wall-street-regulators-jointly-propose-trim-biden-era-private-fund-reporting-2026-04-20/

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This May Day, the Working Class Must Defeat the Ruling Class’s Wars
With less than a month until May Day, workers around the world are preparing to mark International Workers’ Day amid a growing economic crisis and increasing militarism. Last year witnessed one of the largest May 1 mobilizations in the United States in years, showcasing a working class capable of standing up to Trump. This year’s call to action carries an even more urgent and specific charge than in years past. The workers’ movement worldwide — and especially within the United States, the heart of the imperialist beast — must be fiercely and uncompromisingly anti-imperialist. So far, the year 2026 has already seen a devastating display of U.S. imperialist hegemony’s decline under Trump. (This follows last year, when Trump bombed seven different countries.) In a demonstration of what Trump calls the “Donroe doctrine,” the U.S. abducted the president of Venezuela, effectively turning the country into a semicolony. Trump continues to deprive the Cuban people of oil, leaving over 10 million without power. The United States and Israel have launched a deeply unpopular war on Iran and Lebanon, killing thousands, displacing millions, deepening a global economic crisis, and exposing their own weaknesses in imposing their imperialist agenda.
https://www.leftvoice.org/this-may-day-the-working-class-must-defeat-the-ruling-classs-wars/

Flying South for the War: The Rise of Drone Warfare in Latin America
The bomb begins falling from the left side of the screen as soon as the video starts. The viewer has the perspective of the drone as it looks down at a white pickup truck with a full bed; men standing on the driver’s side of the vehicle appear to be talking, while the bombs gets smaller and smaller before impacting the bed of the truck and detonating. The men on the driver’s side flee as a man in the front passenger seat exits the vehicle and joins his comrades in flight. This is a short video released by the Mexican drug cartel Cárteles Unidos, showing an attack on the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG). This video, published by the pseudonymous conflict researcher War Noir in August of 2025, provides a glimpse into the emerging, but increasingly complex world of drone use by drug cartePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Your standard Homo sapiens, is a hunting spider; separate from the Homo neanderthalis, a water strider.

Thus, the two lines of mutable, diverge and become other life cycles.

If an ESP, with their allergy of peat bog lichens, dill, is given as a child, then it's a Witch; not a Witch Hunter, but an Inquisitor; applying codes of queer to the homosexual by choice, not by breed of Lotus, man or woman or bull or police custodian.

This outing, we faced the Ayatollah Khameini; using Nixon's 1968 campaign, "sacrifice", as the arrest or per support, out of nuclear enrichment for the Middle East; the end to the oil market, their link with Great Britain; Lemura, North Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Tasmania, Papua New Guinea, Jamaica, the Caymans, and Bermuda.

All Navy conning stations, through the main battle fleet; Saudi Arabia's army in hiding, the British Fleet.

British Royal Intelligence sought us during World War 2, to defeat Adolf Hitler, their rogue better's agent; German Counter-Terror sought us during the War in Vietnam, to remove Pravda and Gulda Meir, The Jackal.

And now you see American Intelligence, through the Mafia, selecting us again.

This time, a small squad; Allie Gaetano, ground chuck beef, Christine Surka, the scent of cannabis, and Dave Charlebois, the texture and chew of tomato nightshade.
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I was talking to a lumpen worker happy that a liberal socialdemocrat won the election, he thinks that the succdem is a "man of the people, he will fix everything". And we talked for a bit yelling. But it got me thinking, the lumpen had no problem with the ruling class as long as his needs were met, and for the large part even in spite of the miserable manual labour - were being met. So why do we demand an economy of needs - production planned on needs "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" if capitalism already fulfills their needs? They will still work, not for wages but it would be the same jobs. Its just that the drive for profit and class causes damage to the planet and misery for the manual laborers but as long as their needs are met they don't really care. They don't want planned production they want somebody else to think for them and most have just accepted their roles in contempt so feel no need for a DOTP - ruling is somebody else's problem to them.
Plus the lumpen laugh at the size of the "real movement" - how many are you? You're too little to change anything.
Lumpens do admire China but China doesn't care for anything besides its own citizens.(Why the fuck was this reported?)
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From the creators of spiritual aryan, we now have the spiritual lumpenproletariat.

>>2788173
>defining lumpen as working class who lack class consciousness
that not what a lumpen is though. You cant make up completely different definition of words with specific meaning and expect people to take you seriously

>>2787311
>(Why the fuck was this reported?)
Hey janny just tuning in to say that we used to care about the quality of threads on leftypol, long ago.
OP writes in complete sentences and doesn't use any racial slurs so you might be tricked into thinking this is "high quality". But there's no thought or effort put into it at all, it's vibes-based. It uses one poorly written anecdote to extrapolate into a bunch of prole-bashing bullshit.
That's not to say I think it should be deleted, by that standard you would delete most of the threads on this board, so there's no point, but it's not a good thread. If you're really that flabbergasted that someone would consider it low quality you must be new and not realize how far the standards have dropped.
This is at best a siberia quality thread.
I only posted this because janny was so confused, if janny had simply not deleted the thread and left it be obviously I wouldn't say anything, I'm not the one who reported it. But for the janny to be FLABBERGASTED about it is very telling.

>>2788173
>OP said that she's defining lumpen as working class who lack class consciousness.
Well good for her she's wrong.

>>2787801
There's something to be said for having a designated outlet for the absolute disdain I feel towards liberalism at any given moment. This is that outlet for me.

But also NewsAnon's posts are nice. Those are consistently neat.



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EUROJUD Record: Treehouse fall, brain damage.

Psychiatric Association Doctored Record: Paranoid autistic due to anxiety about nuclear fission as depicted on "The Simpsons".

EUROPOL submitted record, as of 2011; blank psychiatric sheet, all criminals spying on doctor's records spotted.

Targets: Marvel Comics MI-6, Warner Brothers Mossad, Firaxis Games Canada.

2003: Murder of Carlin Sarkesian, Rabbinical Diamond Trade of Dorchester, Suffolk County.

2003: Enlistment in NYPD Extra Range, "American History X"; B'nai B'rith Attleboro Sheriffs, removed as own minions; lesser forms of life, Jews, not Catholics.

2004: Changed variable of religion; Jewish-Catholic, to Episcopal-Gestapo; "Son of Sam"; German Lutheran Synod, KGB INTERPOL, US Army Prostitution, MI-6 Psychiatric, British Mossad struck.

2005: Engagement against British and Canadian Freemasons; Seizure of Detective Comics, Hanscom Airbase, Home Depot, by British peace activists; Saddam Hussein. Writ of police movies for Saudi-Jews, rape logic of film as having a romantic effect as adultery. Analysis of games logic as only appropriate for Mossad-Arabs, sold on common and public markets; Sid Meier and related topics and titles, "Sims" and "RPG".



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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BURKINA FASO AND GHANA GO TO WAR

>>2788037
we will win.

>>2785314
reality is always more complicated once you get in the thick of it and the details, but thats the gist, and indeed benin blocked oil in that pipeline to fuck with niger on order from france after niger kicked them out. Things got worked out eventually.

>>2788037
hope this wont escalate too much, any better source?

>>2788037
Nkhruma and Sankara weep

>>2788037
this is a troll or glowie making up shit



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>>2787354
my guy is literally incapable of not responding lmao absolutely obsessed

>>2786875
>>2787321
>>2787890
hey i don't always agree with the smith anon but can you cool it with the low effort posts. i waited for 3 before complaining because i know complaining doesn't add anything either. i actually wanted him to respond to the dutt video i sent him and I'm glad he did.

>>2787890
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>>2787867
>price regulation, to protect profit rates
Precisely; this is why Ricardo says the law of value only exists under conditions of perfect competition, because otherwise prices can be manually set.
>you don't have to report when your pour milk down the drain, but you do have to report when you gave milk away for free because it was too cheap
Yes, same way capitalist profit can be measured at a propotional rate of corporate waste. This was discussed earlier in the thread:
>>2726637
>>2726944
Thus, profit is literally just a giant pile of rubbish.
>so the problem here is the centrality of the profit motive to the functioning of the entire economy, rather than some failure to return to an earlier stage of idyllic competition between small firms, no?
I am reminded of Marx's comments upon the fetishism of commodities; that where there is commodity exchange, the essence of man is alienated into this idol. We aready see the gradation of the cosmos displayed by a procession of metallic ages by Hesiod (800 BCE), where Gold is greatest and Iron is worst. Despite this, as Aristotle remarks, iron is a more useful thing than Gold, and so what is "greater" is also worse. Thus, the spectre of value has already captured man's imagination, with its present internal division. This has its sacred device in sacrifice, where temples of gold and silver are crafted, where food is rotted and burnt and drink is split as an offering (surplus value is already here as a political excess). In the Book of Malachi we see the Israelites chastised for coveting the sacred offerings for themselves; the unblemished lamb is made as food rather than service to the deity (a conflict between cost and use). So then, the logic of value is inherent to worship, and thus operates as man's central subjectivity. Marx's brilliance is in his materialist reversal of Hegel on this point; where geist is identified as value, with history being its self-determination. SoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2787953
me i read that

>>2787893
>can you cool it with the low effort posts
>hey i don't always agree
can you go fuck yourself with this liberal appeasement ?



 

>it works in practice but it doesn't work in theory edition

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Does anyone have the video of the chinese guy living under a bridge in NYC shouting about how he was lied to that he could have a good life as a dishwasher?

>>2786931
>an article
thats just a random person ranting on the chinese equivalent of quora, not "an article" that examined the average condition thoroughly across the country

and yes a lot of factory work (especially exploiting rural migrant labor) can be pretty damn awful, thats standard capitalist dynamic at work
but on the other hand, these eventually get automated (or get outcompeted by automated factories and close), or there come a crackdown from the authorities, or they're forced to improve condition, or workers get truly fed up and come in the CEO office to sequester him and the authorities make an example out of him and send him to jail to calm everyone down
all statistics and metrics show that steadily things are improving, and work become higher quality and less harsh.

>>2787131
all polls show that on the contrary, they massively support the current system and government, and your argument is retarded, none of the developed states are at replacement rate

>>2787415
no, it was a smart policy with some bad side effects

>>2787825
You can’t genuinely support a system where you can’t afford to have kids, also polls are literally always wrong

>>2787943
i think we are being raided by the sharty rn



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