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What do you think of them?
A lot of people on this board hate them for their supposedly inherent "Bourgeois" or "Petit bourgeois" elements but: 1. many of them are carried out by leftist orgs against military dictatorships or otherwise tyrannical governments, 2. Ignore the revolutionary potential of such movements and how the proletarian of the imperialistic nation can cooperate with the proletariat of the seceeding nation and result in a defeat for the former nation's bourgeoisie and their imperialistic power
  1. Even if they had beorgeois elements, Some nations such as kurds in Turkey historically or Kashmiris presently have been subjected to so much oppression and their position so unstable and tenouos that it's more important to advocate for their independence rather than let them be subjected to further oppression for the sake of barely tenable idealist principles

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>>2864647
I support it because it will divide britain and make a western imperialist country weaker
This simple

>>2864652
Many of them are seceeding from countries that are staunch allies of the US, Elaborate you asshole
Someone's aspirations and only hope of living a free life isn't a PSYOP just because of your intellectual laziness

>>2864660
Completely incompatible goal with communism, which is a one world, one language, one cultural government and system

>>2864668
>one language, one cultural
????
Who said you must have one culture and language under communism? How would a social ownership of the means of production erase cultural differences between regions, Which arises due to different living conditions and vast distance between living spaces??
And the balkanization of imperialist countries into smaller ones doesn't mean attaining communism is impossible anymore than attaining communism is in this exact global state. elaborate on this point.
Your vision of communism of one united world government isn't incompatible with smaller scale local governorship I completely fail to see your point and honestly I think there is none you're just confused.
That's like saying governments on a provincial and state level are incompatible with the central government

>>2864674
Differences in language make economic participation harder



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>>2833253
>Go to a Christian Church in Korea and you'll find Korean Jesus.
I've never seen Korean Jesus whats he look like?

>>2833243
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Any predictions for the outcome of the 2026 American midterm elections?

Any socialists on the ballot?

Any guesses as to how the redistributing/gerrymandering issue will play into things?

How do you think issues like Trump’s wars, the tariffs, ICE raids, Black issues, Medicare For All, the climate, voting rights, abortion, trans issues, autistic/neurodivergent issues, and Palestine will affect the outcome? For instance, are we seeing a split in the Democrats over Palestine and other foreign policy issues?
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>>2817147
but North Carolina might become communist in the u.s senate. just wait and see in November.

When Mr. Wilimos debates with Mr. Cooper and Mr. Whatley. It will be here. Stay tuned.

>>2842692
God, if only.

Nirav shah is officially endorsed by Jack wilimos campaign. Let’s see what happens next.

Now, we officially endorse Troy Jackson. May he not disappoint.



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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
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French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!

Français! Ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!
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>>2863578
vraie pilule rouge

>>2863578
Ça existe les stals encore a part 3 pélos des JC dans les vosges qui refusent de suivre le centralisme democratique et sont pas encore devenus Rousselliens??
Alors qu'on a genre 4 ou 5 NPA, lutte ouvriere, TMI etc. Victoire trotskyiste totale quoi

Je suis un stal qui fait de l'entrisme au POI. Les Trots ne se doutent de rien

>>2863777
>les trots jugent le succès au nombre de groupes différents créés
pas étonnant qu'ils passent leur temps à splitter, tout s'explique

Je suis un stal qui fait de l'entrisme chez LO et ils m'ont séquéstré dans les catacombes de Pontoise après m'avoir démasqué.



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trying to read das but both it and secondary sources take the labor value theory as a 'given'

i saw in a letter by marx he doesnt feel the need to prove it but i rlly dont understand

Here's a playlist by the Marxist economist Paul Cockshott on the LTV. The first video is 'Why labour theory of value is right'. Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q&list=PLKVcO3co5aCBnDt7k5eU8msX4DhTNUila

>ppill.png

Dont do it anon. The Real Movement needs (You).

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The Labour Theory of Value develops through many thinkers. Marx provides a basic genaeology of it here:
<Petty reduces use-value to labour […] Hobbes […] asserts that the labour which determines exchange-value is the particular kind of concrete labour by which gold and silver is extracted […] Boisguillebert for his part, in fact, although he may not be aware of it, reduces the exchange-value of commodities to labour-time […] Benjamin Franklin […] regards labour-time from a restricted economic standpoint as the measure of value […] Sir James Steuart […] determines real value by labour-time […] Adam Smith declared that the sole source of material wealth or of use-values is labour in general […] David Ricardo […] neatly sets forth the determination of the value of commodities by labour-time
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/ch01a.htm
It is only with Adam Smith (1776) that "labour" becomes "abstract" (e.g. generalised) rather than "concrete" (e.g. particular). Thus, all labours are essentially identical as units, so long as they are measured by production time. An example which Smith uses is barter. Person A makes (x) in 2 hours, and Person B makes (y) in 2 hours. They exchange because (x)=(y) in terms of labour time. Thus, exchange is presumed to occur where an equal quantity of labour time between goods is present. Marx takes an example from Aristotle, who uses the same basic logic, and so it can be expressed by a ratio of exchange [x:y].

To begin with Marx's own writing, we see that a product of labour becomes a "commodity" where it has a "use value" and an "exchange value". A use value is whatever makes a thing useful (e.g. quality), while exchange value is what a commodity will exchange for (e.g. quantity). Use values come from "concrete" labour (e.g. weaving, tailoring), and exchange values come from "abstract" labour (e.g. labour in general). Thus, weaving is different from tailoring, but both are still labour in general. Both concrete and abstract labour are expenditures of "labour power" (e.g. labour in potential), as Marx writes:
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It's very easy. Any commodity-producing business falls apart without the workers actually producing the commodities. a commodity-producing business does not necessarily fall apart if it has no CEO or board of directors. This is why you can have a worker-owned cooperative like Huawei or Mondragon see huge international success but you will never see a company that is just a CEO and board of directors with no commodity-producing workers have any success in commodity production. A company that is only owners and no workers will never be successful at commodity production, it can however have a lot of success at private equity, serial litigation, mergers/acquisitions, financial speculation, banking, and other capital services.

Does the food grow because a man owns land? No. Food grows because commodity-producing workers go out there in the heat and till soil, plant crops, water crops, fertilize crops, spread manure over crops, use pesticides on crops, harvest crops.

If the man who owns the land, the seed, the grain silos, the fertilizer, the manure, the pesticides, and the tractors makes more money than the people producing the harvest, it is not because he worked harder, but because he owned means of production. To the extent that he contributes at all, he is not contributing to the production of the commodities with his labor power. He is instead deciding what to do with the surplus value: whether to reinvest it or not. How did he acquire those means of production? It doesn't matter. He may have inherited them, he may have stolen them, he may have worked for them. But once he becomes a capitalist, his income is passive, rooted in the labor-power he buys from others, and based on his ownership rather than his contribution to the production of the commodities.

Marx goes out of his way to make this scientific, but it's so obvious even on an intuitive level that only the high priests of bourgeois ideology bother denying it. Even bourgeois economists before Marx like Ben Franklin, Adam Smith, and David Ricardo accepted this fact. It was only bourgeois economics AFTER Marx which felt so threatened by the revolutionary conclusions Marx made that they felt the need to deny and bury this.

Look at a hot dog stand. If the man who owns the hot dog stand is also the one making the hot dogs, he owns his own means of production, and produces his own commodities for sale to pedestrians. But if he simply owned the hot dog stand and did Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2863138
This.

>>2863313
>Labour-Power = Concrete + Abstract Labour
Labor power is a potential, it is not the output of that potential as you have it. And later on you say so yourself:
>the labourer himself, when he is paid a wage, is also selling a commodity, but the commodity is not "labour", but "labour power", or his capacity to work
This is the sort of mushy inconsistent style one can expect from LLM-assisted writing.

>>2864049
>Labor power is a potential, it is not the output of that potential as you have it
Which is what I wrote in my introduction of the concept: >>2863313
<Both concrete and abstract labour are expenditures of "labour power" (e.g. labour in potential)
That's why I provided the direct quotation from Marx.
>mushy inconsistent style
It's entirely consistent, you just skimmed it.



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>be Israel
>starts the 1982 Lebanon war over an Israeli ambassador to the UK being shot and injured which Israel blamed on the PLO
>so Israel takes all of Southern Lebanon up to the Litani river and that was when Hezbollah was created while the spineless Lebanese military does nothing
>over the span of 18 years, Hezbollah takes back all of Lebanon by 2000
>after the Israeli withdrawal, they try again in 2006 but get kicked out by Hezbollah again, despite heavy civilian losses
>two years later, after two defeats, Israel launches Operation Cast Lead in Gaza and kills 1,000 people, including 300 children as a message to Iran all over claims of Hamas building a tunnel
>now Israel is trying again with Hezbollah, they are trying to do what David Ben-Gurion talked about for years

Jesus Christ, when will they just fuck off?
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>>2863277
Didn't Iran want the US to invade Iraq?

>>2863502
The Iraq war was anti imperialist war (Iraqi imperialism against wholesome mullahs)


>>2863425
Proof?

>>2863397
I am covenant theology and NIFB. The church has replaced Israel because of the historical context of the law ending in 33 AD with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and 70 AD with the destruction of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem by Titus Flavius. James says to break one law is to be guilty of all. And what is the wages of sin? DEATH! That's why people sacrificed chickens, goats and oxes for burnt offerings. It covered sins but the blood of sheeps and bulls cannot remove sin. Only the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ can do that. However, I do believe that in the Old Testament, salvation worked differently. The holy spirit wasn't required and when people did receive it, they could lose it. King David even wrote in one of the Psalms take not your holy spirit from me. But in the NT, the holy spirit is required for salvation and once you receive it by believing in the blood, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, you are sealed to the day of redemption. The Bible says they have eternal life. That's PRESENT-TENSE, not future. There is no backsliding. You can still sin, but no one born of God commits sin. That's because they have the holy ghost. Paul even said it is not I that sin but the spirit of sin that lives within me. Your flesh still sins. But some people who make it to Heaven are gonna be left with no rewards after the judgment seat of Christ. That's why you continue in belief and not apostatize so you can be given the crown of life. The Bible says that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus. Obviously, unsaved Israel is not blessed by God. The answer to Genesis 12:5 is Galatians 3:16. It didn't mean God will bless those that bless Israel, it said ABRAHAM'S SEED! Jews butcher the NT. Rabbi Tovias Singer cannot read his own book.



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This seems to be one of the best ways to win over normies. Everyone hates these damn things. Taking down a flock cam is now on the same level of widespread approval as shooting a Healthcare CEO, and less likely to get you caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7dPwD6Sjg&t
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>>2859253
Ideas:
  1. If they can put up faster than you can take down, you loose.
  2. If public facing flock cameras get struck, private concealed cameras will become the norm.
  3. Concealed CCTV cameras that look like metal bolts on highway signs already exist.
  4. Signal Detection of WiFi, Bluetooth, Car Tire Sensors already exist.
  5. Adding a new camera is speedy. The pole is the target, until they start putting up redundant poles to save time in the future.
  6. Onboard CCTV and Battery Backups can be added to CCTV.


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>>2861866

Eventually, I suspect, direct action against the companies themselves will be necessary.

You don't. Flock is historically progressive. It will reduce crime and create a more harmonious society, just like China. Everyone was up in arms when that tech capitalist said people act better when they know they're being watched, and that's exactly what Chinese intellectuals say also. Trust the plan.

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Ehh, it's not like anyone goes out anymore anyways. Just another reason to stay home.

>>2859322
Because they are cucks for capital but at least their living standard are actually improving



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REAL, NOT CLICKBAIT, NOT A DRILL, THE CHICAGO POPE CRACKS DOWN

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2026-07/holy-see-decrees-excommunication-lefebrians-consecrations.html

As a result of escalating tensions revolving around some unapproved bishop appointments, it's officially happened: the Vatican has declared the tradcath Society of Saint Pius X to be schismatic and therefor not just its bishops but lay practitioners too are excommunicated. While the largest amount of tradcaths tend to congregate in America there's still plenty spread out all over the world. What are the implications of this split? Possible Antipope soon?
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The worst, most repugnant, fascist inclined tradLARPing fundamentalists have been expelled from Catholicism- perhaps up to 600,000 individuals - and they're all seething about it on twitter.
You love to see it.
That said, Catholicism is still overwhelmingly reactionary and conservative and responsible for more crimes than you could list in a 1000 posts.

On a related note: There is zero evidence for a God or for any religion, but the with the amount of suffering in the world I can at least grasp the logic behind Buddhist and Gnostic perspectives.
Christianity though? Despite being raised it in I don't think I ever really believed it.

>>2859714
you can cultivate it yourself. its not hard and isn't very expensive.

>>2859707
I’ve had some wild experiences on Mushrooms but I don’t think I’ve really had religious ecstasy from it.

TBH I think the “mystical” elements of religion are so completely ignored in modernity that people kind of dismiss what religious thinkers went through with “lol they must’ve been high”

Within the more mystical strains of Judaism, for example (I think you can learn more from studying “Merkevah Mysticism” or “Chariot mysticism”) there were religious/historical figures whose mystical experiences had such a profound effect on themselves that one became a “messiah” contender and disrupted Jewish society by preaching whatever their form of “heresy” is while another allegedly went incurably insane. For many of these people the experiences were so profound that many were willing to die (or, sadly, kill) for their beliefs.

So when these ancient Rabbis talk about seeing the chariot of God and going mad, I think it’s important to know that to many of these people their experiences were profoundly real.

>>2864015
I’m not a Gnostic or a scholar, but I’ve been on a Gnostic text binge lately so if you’ve got questions about Gnosticism contra Catholicism, I can try to answer as best I can.


Liberation Theology BTFO



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I think I finally know Trumps ideology and its called Neo-Bonapartism

Bonapartism describes a state that achieves relative autonomy from any single class by claiming to stand above class conflict entirely ruling personalistically through plebiscitary mass appeal and charismatic authority rather than through a party program or a coherent class coalition, while materially serving capital's interests without capital directly controlling the state apparatus. Bonaparte's actual regime combined: personalist rule bypassing parliamentary/institutional mediation, appeals to a cross-class "people" against both organized labor and the traditional elite, military prestige projects and adventurism as legitimation (the whole Second Empire foreign policy pattern), and state-directed economic development (Haussmann's Paris, railway financing) alongside crushing independent labor organization. That's close to a checklist match for Trump: personalist rule, state economic direction, military/security emphasis as legitimating spectacle, hostility to organized labor and the left, appeal over the heads of institutions to a plebiscitary mass base.

Bonapartism in the Marxist tradition is specifically theorized as arising when class conflict reaches a stalemate where no single class can rule directly, so an autonomous executive arbitrates from above, critically, without needing to make durable concessions to labor the way a genuinely hegemonic class-coalition government would. Gramsci's extension of the concept (he uses “Caesarism” interchangeably) is explicitly about a strong personalist arbiter stepping in during a legitimacy crisis of the ordinary political process, offering national/military grandeur and personal charisma as substitutes for programmatic concession. That's the theoretical explanation for exactly why Trumpism is anti social welfare while pro military spending Bonapartist/Caesarist rule doesn't need to buy off labor, because it's explicitly a crisis arbitration form that draws its legitimacy from personal charisma and national mythology rather than from a stable coalition requiring material payoffs.

So: Bonapartism (Marx's term) or Caesarism (Gramsci's near-synonym) is the actual name for 19th-century style personalist strongman, holistic state-directed military-industrial policy, minimal welfare concession, legitimated by charisma and national grandeur rather than institution-building or class-coalition bargaining. Specifically it explPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Call it anything but fascism

>>2863937
"More money for me, fuck you" isn't much of an ideology. Also this is old hat, the Chapotards back in 2017 were talking about the 18th of Brumaire and I think Jacobin had an article comparing Trump to Napoleon III.

I truly don’t think he has any ideology beyond sleeping, partying and eating McDonald’s. He will say and do whatever the people paying him and sucking his dick the most convince him to. He’s raised bourgeoisie, he has no thought beyond “god I hope number go up so I don’t have to actually do any work”

>>2863937
I think Bonparatism is a good descriptor for what Trump "is" but I'm not sure it's really an ideology. Egypt really has a regime like this.

Chris Cutrone gets too into contrarianism for its own sake but think he's one of the better American leftists on Bonapartism:

>Bonapartism is characterized for Marxism by precisely the inability of leading political figures to render society and the state tractable: Louis Bonaparte is the “farce,” compared to Napoleon’s (and Caesar’s) “tragedy,” because of his futility; he is not a cunning hero but a comedic villain. Where celestial forces swirl around a protagonist of Divine Fate, instead, we have the folly and error of someone who is merely “human, all-too human” (Nietzsche): not punished but merely scorned by the gods. While the conquering Napoleon summoned Goethe to insist that “there is no Destiny, only politics,” he was for Hegel nonetheless the “World Soul” of eternal History[2] when he rode his horse into town at the young professor’s first academic appointment. Louis Bonaparte is not the substantial character of political action, but a holographic projection of greater forces that neither he nor anyone else can master: “Bonapartism” is Marx/ism’s term for the self-alienation of politics in capitalism. As Marx summed it up about the plebeian masses in capitalism (petite bourgeoisie, lumpenproletariat, et al. — including workers, insofar as they are not self-organized into a social and political force of their own): they cannot represent themselves; they must be represented; they will be represented.[3] Bonapartism means the state represents everyone and no one. The state is universal but also its own particular interest.


>Police and military are “citizens in uniform” — as are bureaucrats — and hence playing a role that anyone could; and yet in capitalism they become their own specific caste apart from everyone. This is not merely a function of specialized knowledge but of role: the peculiar political role of the state in capitalism. Bureaucracy is considered by Marxism to be endemic in capitalism differently from its role in traditional civilization, which was of course a caste system that bourgeois society is not or at least is not supposed to be. Bureaucracy is a function of reification of social and political activity
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>ideology
Didn't read a word past that



 

This site has no WHOIS or RDAP available so you know what that means. They sell stahlhelm themed, 3D printed bottle covers. This is exactly the kind of kitsch shit that neofascists love to hock on X.

https://capsalute.shop/

whois capsalute.shop
Notice: Effective May 1, 2026, the WHOIS service has been retired in accordance with ICANN's RDAP transition policy. All registration data queries are now served via RDAP. The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) base URL is: https://rdap.gmoregistry.net/rdap/

rdap capsalute.shop
# Error: No RDAP servers responded successfully (tried 1 server(s))
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no pls don't destroy my small business, i'm grifting nazis. they're retarded and give me money for cheap trash

>>2863943
I know you're joking but unironically we should all get together and make some kind of business to appeal to rightoids and then give the profit to Palestinian charities or something

>>2863932
It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head

>>2863948
>>2863948
>It kinda l9oks like the bottle is pointing a luger at its head
😂

>>2863940
cute! idk why anyone would pay for it though



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