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Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.

The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.
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>>2686845
>Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.
Wrong. Transition between any mode of production is of certain nature deduced by science. World and its laws are knowable. The only uncertainty comes from bourgeois mind. You defy scientific laws of history.
>The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries.
You are utterly Wrong. With the development of productive forces some surplus was available and possibility of some people expropriating the labor products of other people occurred. Violent slave rebellions dealt severe blows to the political power of the slave owners and hastened the collapse of slavery. While slavery disintegrated, feudal production relations gradually matured. Only slave and peasant class struggles, slave and peasant rebellions, and slave and peasant wars were real motive force of historical development. Newly emerging landlords used power of the laboring people to overthrow rule of slave owners and established government of landlords.
>The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.
Wrong. All fallacious arguments that 'one mode of production can pass peacefully to another' championed by bourgeois historian are totally contrary to facts. These are 'theories' serve to preserve system of exploitation and forbid working people to rise up and rebel.

>>2694339
what i am describing is a division of labour. not all people can benefit from an academic education.
>>2694360
>scientific laws of history
😂😂 care to explain what these scientific laws are?
>Violent slave rebellions dealt severe blows to the political power of the slave owners and hastened the collapse of slavery. While slavery disintegrated, feudal production relations gradually matured
this is entirely ahistorical. slavery existed in england before the normans (450-1066), but afterwards (1066-1485), feudalism was imposed on the english by the ruling class, not out of class struggle, but out of class domination. in fact, the real class struggle of this time was the nobility versus the royalty, such as with the two "baron wars" stretching across the 13th century, from 1215 to 1270, which gave us legal revolutions such as the magna carta (1215), that entered into english mythology for centuries afterwards. this is where history happened. after this we get the "hundred years war" (1337-1453). in the middle period of this international elite conflict we also had the peasant rebellions of 1381. these peasants we can compare to the burghers more than the serfs, since part of the rebellion were various guilds that terrorised flemish competition in london (a move later continued by henry viii who expelled foreign business in england). after this we get the war of the roses (1455-87) which places the tudors on the throne, from whence we get capitalist conditions. henry vii and henry viii confiscate land in service of the landed gentry, who are by now, formally incorporated into the house of lords (included in the primary act of the magna carta), and by which the lords temporal become a majority following 1540. thus, the class war of the middle ages was not serfs vs lords, it was kings vs nobles, and after this it's lords vs peasants. after this, we get the ascendancy of the bourgeoisie in northern europe, leading to the revolutionary conditions of the 17th century, which sees england become a republic and finally a constitutional monarchy, which gives supremacy to the house of commons. in all these cases, it is the elites contending for power over the masses, not the masses risPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2695572
similarly, in rome, the struggle was not slaves versus masters, it was patricians versus plebs; the two stratum of civil society, such as in the reported "struggle of the orders" (500 BCE - 280 BCE). the only notable slave rebellion gave rise to the myth of spartacus (a rebellious gladiator) in the "third servile war" (73 BCE - 71BCE), but this was not a political battle, but rather a claim of personal freedom by exile.

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>>2690668
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/why-no-roman-industrial-revolution/

Why no Roman industrial revolution?

In my last post I repeated Marx’s phrase the the hand mill gave you the feudal lord the steam mill the industrial capitalist. One reader objected that this overstated the role of technology and that steam power was already known to the Romans. I concede that Marx over simplified. There were thousands of water mills in England recorded in the Domesday book. So ownership of water mills was a key part of the power of the feudal lords. A better phrase would have been that the water mill brings you the feudal lord the steam mill the industrial capitalist. But to return to the original question.

The ancient Romans already had a working steam turbine in Hero’s aeolipile. Why were they not able to turn this to use in industry, pumping water or turning millstones?

Why no industrial revolution in antiquity?

There are well known arguments about the social relations of slavery impeding the development of labour saving technology, but is this enough of an explanation?

We know that the ancients harnessed the power of water for grinding corn and other industrial uses, so they were not completely indifferent to artificial sources of power.

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>>2695588
> this was not a political battle, but rather a claim of personal freedom by exile.
the third servile war was absolutely a political battle. deploying the military to crush a slave revolt and then crucify the survivors along the appian way is absolutely political



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Spanish nationalists march with English-language banner reading WHITE LIVES MATTER and holding signs of Iryna Zarutska (that Ukrainian refugee killed in the US) saying she was killed for being white as they march though Madrid
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wtf is this shithole website and what happened to 420chan

“leftypol” I want to huff jenkem and shitpost after getting out of prison what the fuck gay reality is this fucking uyghurs

>>2697075
they put all the women they could find up front
two of them are fat

>>2697638
So black Irish is real Shaq O'Neil it all makes sense

Oh god I fucking Nucleo Nacional so fucking much
>>2697676
If they don't look like Spaniards to you then you haven't seen a lot of Spaniards

>>2697638
the vandals had been gone for two centuries before arabs got to spain



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What do you think of communo-monarchism?
Can the holy proleterian spirit be passed down trough your seed? And as such only the inheritors of this great proleterian spirit are fit to rule?
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>>2697321
>>2697334
If despotism is the only realistic form of human governance then humanity should be destroyed

>>2696742
Good post.

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>>2697334
>>2697307
>>2697382
Brilliant. Thanks to white jesus for the bright minds of /leftypol/.

>>2697403
this maymay only applies to shitholes like 4chan where it effectively functions like social media where you have a thread for practically everyone and everything. meanwhile you are on leftypol on a bait thread

I would only support this system if the philosopher-king were Chagosposter.



 

Mass media is dominated by those with the capital to own it. Any airtime an anti-capitalist gains on these platforms can be revoked at any time. So while pursuing exposure on them isn't useless, it is limited, and playing at a disadvantage.

It's therefore useful to draw people away from these compromised platforms onto our own platforms, and to discover places they are not able to easily dominate.

Naturally, there are infrastructural challenges - internet services require servers, which cost money, have terms and conditions if you aren't self-hosting, and can ultimately be shutdown by the state if considered a threat.

Some examples, to get the discussion rolling:
< Socialist-run media outlets (MeansTV, party article/newspapers, self-hosted podcasts)
< Socialist-owned forums (/leftypol/s, eRegime, socialist mastodon instances, socialist lemmy instances like Hexbear)
< Socialist closed chat groups (Matrix channels, Telegram/Whatsapp/Signal/Di$cord groups [still vulnerable to deplatforming, but limited] )
< Postering/stickering/graffiti
< Personal networks (word of mouth)
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Petite bourgeois anarchist LARP

>>2696921
>>2696927
>>2696928
Samefagging glownonymous

>>2696930
>three posts in the same row making three different points and responding to different people are the same person
No fucking shit you massive retard. Did you start using imageboards yesterday? Lmfao.

>>2696813
>>2672700
What about something like myretrotvs but with socialist or socialist friendly media
https://www.myretrotvs.com/

>>2696927
>i love making up shit nobody said
two can play at that game



 

>it is ok when le epic based Anti-Imperialist Russia supply Israel

I really don't get the right-wing Ziggerism in /leftypol/ and simping for Putin, while they contributing Gaza genocide also. Seems marxist-leninists embracing them more than Anarchists nowadays.
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>>2697821
Technically speaking the balkanization began after the bourgeois February revolution, and was probably inevitable with or without revolution seeing how the likes of Austro-Hungary went. The bolsheviks did end up reversing it.

>>2697779
The export of commodities in general is not the cornerstone of imperialism, the export of capital is.

>>2697828
Remind me if any short-lived puppet regimes were formed on Soviet territory as a result of Brest-Litovsk

Yank scum deflecting as always

>>2697821
>he was trying to bring about proletarian revolution in russia
Which was the only means to saving Russia from forever being the sick man of Europe. Proletarian revolution freed Russia from the chains of the Romanovs and allowed it to undergo rapid development, both in economics and culture.
>which was not one nation, but several nations
Russia was the leading nation, I don't know where this meme came from to where people think otherwise.
>if he had failed, tsarist russian empire wouldn't have been balkanized
Tsarist Russia didn't even survive way before the Bolshevik uprising, and the Provisional Government was bursting at the seams. Ethnic separatism was flaring up everywhere and the Duma was of little real authority, only the Sovnarkom succeeded in bringing in the bulk of those separatist forces under the unitary state.



 

How exactly do we successfully fight against and reverse Gen Alpha brainrot?

https://youtube.com/shorts/h2i3cGyzNKo

This stuff is becoming alarming. When I was a little kid in the 90s I would watch stuff that had actual substance to it (think: Disney renaissance, Don Bluth films, TV shows like Arthur). Plus our parents made an effort to read to us and get us looking at science books and history books for kids. When I babysit my neighbours’ kids who are eight and six (both boys) I’m horrified by how stupid they are. They can’t read at all. They can’t play musical instruments. They don’t do arts and crafts. They have the vocabularies of preschool-aged kids. They can’t do math and the eight-year old asks me to do his math homework for him. Both of them are either glued to their iPads or glued to watching YouTube on TV. It’s sad as hell. What do?
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It's hard to answer. Younger generations are victims of a kind of epistemic terrorism or warfare that hasn't been studied or named adequately. Tech captial views them as resources to be exploited (real Epstein energy). Other than overthrowing the existing systems of power the only solution is good, attentive parenting, and we all know that won't apply to at least half of the people being born.

were gonna have global fascism within a generation anyway so who cares anymore

>>2697844
Then shouldn't the brainrot of gen alpha scare you even more, since these will be the people in control of fighting fascism?

>>2602627
We dont.

>>2697855
these are the people who will fast track fascism



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Well my country is fucking me over. Trump and his administration seem to be on a mission to genocide neets. So there's that..Very easy to attack neets and their gibs to give sad pleasures to wagecucks. Anyone else living such a situation? Feels like the world is more and more pressuring you to rope yourself… oh well…
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>>2694625
I'm forced to be a neet because nobody wants to hire an ugly autist transhumanist. Its not that I like being so poor I have to wash myself with a bucket with hot water or that winter gets rough as fuck because I can't fix any of the holes in the ceiling that have been there for years.
I want socialism to be a thing so that getting a job doesn't become a competition but a given. My dream job is cleaning public bathrooms or streets but the world hates me so much that it feels impossible to get even that.
It's zero fun when I develop a cough or a wart in my skin or anything weird and my only choice is hoping it goes away because I have no money to get seen by a doctor. It's no fun.

>>2694639
IDK what shithole you live in but you'd be much happier in Brazil.

>>2694651
Makes sense, I actually learned brazilian portuguese lmao. It's getting a bit rusty though haven't used it in a while.

>>2694656
>>2694656
>I actually learned brazilian portuguese
how? tips?

>>2693328
>>2693825
>>2694264
>If you have enough money to live in relative comfort
That’s kind of the crux behind the free greentext part. If you can be elitist about being a cultured NEET and believe the only thing to gain from work is sex, it’s probably because you’re already from a privileged position in society.



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A Turkish man invented the steam engine 200 years before the industrial revolution but he only made it to spin döner kebabs.



In 1551, Taqi al-Din, who is more often remembered for his astronomical and mechanical inventions, described a device that essentially functioned as a steam turbine.

His design involved a small boiler that produced steam, which was then directed through a nozzle onto the blades of a wheel. The force of the escaping steam caused the wheel to spin. This wheel was connected mechanically to a spit, allowing meat to rotate over a fire without human effort.

What makes Taqi al-Din’s description remarkable is that it shows a practical understanding of converting thermal energy into rotational mechanical energy. While earlier inventors had experimented with steam for curiosity or simple toys, Taqi al-Din’s turbine had a concrete application: automating a kitchen task. His work was part of a broader tradition of Ottoman engineering, which included astronomical clocks, observational instruments, and water-raising machines.
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Only anglo autism could turn something that was a curiosity for greeks and turks into the machine that started the industrial revolution.

>>2697257
Also I don't think the Eastern Mediterranean had any coal deposits

https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/why-no-roman-industrial-revolution/

>Technologies have an order of dependence to them that can not be arbitrarily skipped over. Without the knowledge and skills associated with a particular stage of technology, you can not simply go on to develop the next.

>>2697792
that's just an assertion with no evidence

>>2697801
read the article in its entirety, that assertion is the final sentence.



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How actually likely are the rumors that epstein's network was engaging in cannibalism? I feel like I don't really know what to believe since a lot of what is being circulated is blatant misinformation. So are we just collectively in agreement that qanon was right? But I was under the impression that qanon was manufactured by epstein as well? so qanon was a psyop to help trump win the election but also it wasnt actually a conspiracy and the alt right was right about the elites the entire time… like what? It's also like the fucking baal and moloch shit, like any scholar who knows their shit will tell you these weren't real deities that anyone worshipped, and were mostly fabricated by christians based off of mistranslations, but apparently the elites worship them and now we all have to turn to christ… whatever

>>2697729
>So are we just collectively in agreement that qanon was right?
no you stupid faggot because the entire premise of qanon was not simply the "fork found in kitchen" ass observation that "da elites" are sickos who rape and eat babies, but that donald trump specifically was leading some kind of resistance against them. stupid fucking faggot. fuck.

also plenty on "the left" (burger succdems) also realized the same shit about the libs. here's some faggy chapo-adjacent podcaster saying all the same shit about epstein circa 2018.

The canibalism is pretty obvious from what the files show.
>moloch worship
They probably just larped it for vibesetting. Most of the people inviolved are abrahamists.



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Is it possible to be a proponent of Maoism today outside Asia and a few other places without it becoming some kind of pompous joke? I mean, in the west it's hard to find any peasant movements to long-march in front of.
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>>2681745
Was it?

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>>2681528
Maoism focuses more on the town-country contradiction than other sects so it's confusing to interpret in the imperial core but it's not impossible at all.

The town-country contradiction boils down to the division of mental and physical labor and the centralization of administration in the town. Since the Nixon shock and the beginning of telework, the town-country contradiction and the bourgeois family have become increasingly absurd.

I'm still not sure of the full solution but it has something to do with flipping Marcuse and the rest of the cultural theorists on their heads. It's all something to do with the self-administration (mental labor) of the oppressed.

>>2681542
Insanity

>>2682777

Everything you said is spot on, but even lenin himself was inspired by nihilism. What is to be done is literally named after a nihilist pamphlet lenin read while in university. Though, the claim that Maoism's libertarian left presence has faded mistakes formal label for actual lasting influence. What occurred was not disappearance but transformation and disconnection from romanticizing past failures. Many anarchists and maoists shed explicit political identities not through defeat but through practical development and theory. The organizational intelligence generated in 1960s-70s experiments did not vanish; it dispersed, mutated, integrated into new theoretical forms that deliberately refuse the orthodox marxist and anarchist approach alike.

The observation of ex-IRA operatives supporting Greek anarchist hunger strikes and movements in the 2000s illustrates this precisely. These were not ideological tourists performing solidarity across camps; they recognized shared organizational practices; distributed coordination, cellular security, sustained pressure through social tension, praxis that transcended their formal political differences.

Contemporary praxis bears these traces without announcing them as a singular idea. The decentralized network forms that characterize effective contemporary organizing with horizontal coordination, temporary delegation, base area infrastructure, security culture all derive not from anarchist theory read in isolation but from the historical synthesis attempted in Mao-era experiments and subsequent revolutionary movements.

The apparent decline of both traditions is more of an optical illusion produced by a lack of a singular term used to describe the new approach. It almost seems as if there's no active anarchists and maoists left, with how invisible they seem in a sea of social conflict. Yet organizational intelligence has surely persisted, transmitted through practice, and ultimately developed through new theoretical languages that refuse the constraints of old labels.

What the libertarian left of the 1960s-70s attempted blending of coordination and autonomy, structure and fluidity, strategic patience and insurrectionary urgency..continues in forms that no longer announce themselves as Maoist or anarchist. The surprise is not that this presence faded but that observers stPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2681528
only viable in some wartorn very under developed <.5 HDI african country but probably not worth it, it's too easy to get interpellated/corrupted from 3rd industrial revolution tech/liquidity of capital by the western imperialists and some of your uyghas will betray you. china was able to do it under different circumstances against the backdrop of ww2. in places like seirra leone, many uyghas are seduced by american culture and want to be rap stars. they don't want the REAL dialectical material smoke



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