/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2584653
>it shouldnt be controversial
but thats not what things sell at their value means, and things(individual commodities) do not sell at their value as reflected in price. total price = total value means that while they have a price, which is an average, they still sell above or below their value, but in the aggregate these deviations wash out.

this is really easy to understand if you dont incorrectly conflate price and value

>>2585182
>Now, how does the model with the equalized profit rates fit together with assuming prices proportional to value? In short, these two do not fit together well and Marx did not believe they do. The stronger the tendency of profit rates to equalize, the more price ratios diverge from labor-input ratios
interpret this statement from marx:
<the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society […] is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
what does this mean to you?
>>2585425
>conflate price and value
total price and value are the same thing to marx, the same as every other economist. we cant progress until this fact is admitted.

>>2585425
>>2585891
to skip ahead, since total price = total value,
the exchange-value (price) of commodities is equal to the ratio of the values of commodities, which is what this entire dispute is about. to marx, values are able to be measured by SNLT, but >>2585182 disagrees, claiming that the ratios of value (which he doesnt define) is different from the ratio of values in exchange (Ax = By). as i have endlessly demonstrated, this is an unfounded perspective. he rejects the words of marx in order to defend marx from himself - its pathological, and you seem to be feeding into it. sad.

>>2585891
>total price and value are the same thing to marx
which is not the same thing as individual price and individual value

>>2586025
who invoked individual prices and values?
the theory of value is inherently macroeconomic, since it attests to the prices of production regulating the equilibrium, by market competition within a selected time-frame. if we read smith, he says that the market price ought to coincide with the natural price given a certain amount of time where competition levels out fluctuation. this would require "commodity" considered generally. marx attests to the soundness of this idea by his reference to thomas tooke's "history of prices" (1857) in "value, price and profit" (1865), where he says that smith's hypothesis proves correct. in murray rothbard's critique of smith , he submits to the notion of general equilibrium by what he calls "long-term normal price". so the inclusion of duration into the concept shows its macroeconomic focus. jevons (1871) considers economy in the same macroeconomic fashion, and its only the austrians by their "microeconomic" or "individualist" methodology that converts empirical proofs for rational axioms. rothbard shows particular frustration at smith for claiming that diamonds inexplicably sell higher than water, and rothbard includes the individual case of a man dying in a desert. an issue in this line of reasoning (which is implicitly humorous) is that rothbard is in some way always assuming disequilibrium, and so an inherently chaotic market. yes, water can sell higher than diamonds, but never in the general sense. its this refusal of the general commodity which is ridiculous.

behold, the original flag of the Australian labour movement in all its glory

if u don't salute ur a lib

>>2584219
is that a bundle of sticks on the bottom left lmao holy shit

>>2584219
SALUTE!

This is Riff Raff Radical Marching Band. Say something nice about them.

>>2586626
It's more of a clergy thing tbh

>>2586626
I'm only practicing proletarian astrology. I don't dabble in the dark arts.

What would be the Chinese pasta dish to replace Macaroni's name? Ramenoni?

China is an example of solar punk working

>>2586646
One of the problems that haunts Green parties in the west is that porkies who sell solar panels are just as cuntish as porkies who sell oil.

https://filosofia.org/aut/001/1939tlc.htm#p05

Go on and google translate that speech. He goes on praising Marx and largely agree with him but sees no contradiction with his own idealistic notion of the Fatherland and man which was just a mental illness due to his upper-class upbringing. Personally I think he was a hack but very smart.
Spain back then was barely out from being a feudal backwater so syndicalist and reactionary essentializing theories like anarchism were popular and with the proletariat not being as developed there wasn't that massive of a rift between the interests of the ruling class and a good chunk of the popular classes (peasants are inherently reactionary idgaf) for there to be a perceived existential threat, it was moreso to restore the natural order of things in a more integral fashion than the Italian/German futuristic aesthetics of burning everything down, though still just as radical it wasn't precisely alienating.
Falange was roots-fascism so to say closer to Sorel in many aspects with a human face like if Italian/Nazi fascism was the abstract "we're all the same race" falangism was like we're all the same family

But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account. Like I unironically believe it had tangential influence on the political development of Castro due to the large spanish community in Cuba at the time (himself being part of) and it is a statement for the power of the Fatherland as a mobilizing force, Patria o Muerte itself sounds incredibly falangist

>>2586081
This uygha didn't read Marx yet.

>>2586292
>But it was the only fascist tendency that properly mobilized workers instead of useless petty-bourg so it's worth taking into account.
I don't think it ever did? Like there's whatever this aristocrat said he was doing and then there was the actual history of how this played out.

>>2586295
this uygha hasn't read the principles of communism oh no no no

Also thread is saged now but the Falange was unusually non-proletarian even by the standards of other fascist parties (that were fairly middle class usually anyways). Like they were very heavily not that.

Weirdly and disturbingly, the Legion of the Archangel Michael in Romania probably was the strongest fascist group ever in recruiting blue-collar workers and those guys were so psychotic a conservative-authoritarian government shot the whole leadership and dumped their bodies in a lime pit.

Pilots' union blocks Allegiant Air bid to get US residency for foreign hires​
The union has refused to certify to the U.S. Department of Labor that the pilot positions, which start at about $50,000 a year, about half of what pilots at other regional airlines earn, meet "prevailing wage" standards. That certification is a crucial bureaucratic step and a requirement for the pilots' green card applications. Instead of hiring foreign pilots, the Teamsters Local 2118 has asked Allegiant to offer industry-standard compensation and improvements to scheduling to retain pilots who are leaving for rivals.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/sustainable-finance-reporting/pilots-union-blocks-allegiant-air-bid-get-us-residency-foreign-hires-2025-12-06/

Trump revokes licenses for thousands of CDL training centers, in sweeping attack on immigrant truckers
The federal Training Provider Registry lists roughly 16,000 providers nationwide. With nearly 3,000 removed and 4,500 more under review, the purge affects approximately 45 percent of all entries in the registry. More than 40 percent of listed CDL training providers could lose their ability to certify new drivers. Furthermore, graduates of any removed center will not be recognized as having completed federally mandated training, and many current CDL holders may find their credentials revoked.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/06/uagm-d06.html

San Diego agrees to pay $30m to family of boy, 16, shot dead by police
As seen on body-worn camera and surveillance footage released by police, Gold pulled out his gun and shot at Wilson’s back as he ran by within seconds of encountering him in the corridor. Footage captured Gold identifying himself as a police officer only after he opened fire. Wilson was pronounced dead at the hospital 35 minutes later.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/05/san-diego-settlement-konoa-wilson-police

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Statement by the Communist Party of Poland: "Our struggle continues"!
The shameful attempt of the Polish state to outlaw the Communist Party of Poland (Komunistyczna Partia Polski - KPP) has become a central front in the international struggle against anti-communism. In recent weeks, the Polish authorities escalated their decade-long persecution by bringing the case before the Constitutional Tribunal in an effort to criminalize the Party’s very existence. This heinous attack does not concern only the comrades in Poland. It forms part of a broader offensive by capitalist governments across Europe and the EU to restrict political rights, falsify history, and suppress communist organizations that defend the interests of the working class. In response, communist and workers’ parties from every continent mobilized immediately. Joint statements were issued, solidarity actions were organized, and protests were held outside Polish embassies worldwide on December 1st. This internationalist reaction demonstrated that the persecution of one communist party is a matter for the entire movement. Below is the official statement of the Communist Party of Poland, addressed to all fraternal parties, updating the movement on the latest developments and reaffirming its determination to continue the struggle.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/12/statement-by-communist-party-of-poland-our-struggle-continues.html

America Didn’t Have a Boom This Black Friday. It Had a Breakdown
Black Friday set another record this year. Reporters treated it as proof that Americans still have strength in their wallets and that the economy has life in it. The president called it the “Trump Bump.” The headlines bragged about an eleven point eight billion dollar day and analysts lined up to praise the numbers. None of it holds up once you look at how people paid for those purchases and how much strain sits underneath those sales. A record weekend in a hollowed out economy is not a sign of confidence. It is a sign of how far people will push themselves to give their kids one normal holiday in a year that left them with nothing extra.
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tybna

Tybna!

>>2586083
I see your knowledge is inadequate to be having this conversation

>>2586089
enlighten me, o quote-master

>>2586021
Stop spamming this low effort shit. If you want to act like a /siberia/oid retard at least go do it there away from us.

>>2586099
>low effort
im sorry but is talking about the politics of tito/pol pot not allowed on this board?

Moved to >>>/siberia/732357.

Producing your own food is hard work. Producing your own tools is even harder work.

It has always sucked. Life is shit and it's even shittier because the worst types of people seem to constantly rise to power over others. I think even on a smaller scale with parents you get bad results at best you get ignorant parents and at worst you get abusive and violent parents. I think it' been awful. Human nature or just nature in general just often necessitates awful and traumatic behavior. That's just what I think.

>>2585864
>human nature
It doesn't exist, stop believing in such spooks.

>>2585858
The only reason to buy a bunch of shit to decorate your house is to appease other people. Like if you have a wife and kids and host friends/family often. If you're just living by yourself in a small apartment there's no need, it's a waste of money.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/weak-japanese-yen-is-ticking-time-bomb-2025-12-04/

>LONDON, Dec 4 (Reuters) - The Japanese yen is too weak, meaning the gap between the currency’s spot rate and what is consistent with Japan’s economic fundamentals will likely narrow in the coming years. That amplifies risks of a sudden unwind of the yen carry trade.

>The USDJPY cross rate is currently around 155, near the top of its multi-decade range of 80 to 160, having experienced an explosive rally since early 2022 when it was trading near 115.

The main driver of this slump has been the yawning yield differentials between the U.S. and Japan.

>While the Federal Reserve and many other central banks were compelled to raise their interest rates sharply in 2022 to combat elevated inflation, the Bank of Japan kept its policy rate negative and maintained full operation of its yield curve control (YCC) program, which manages long-term rates, until March 2024. Only then did it reset its policy target rate back near positive territory at 0.0-0.1%.

>Since then, under Governor Kazuo Ueda, the BOJ has very gingerly raised the policy target rate to the current 0.50%. But that is not only lower than the current U.S. federal funds rate of 3.75-4.00% but also well below Japan’s CPI inflation of 3.0%, meaning Japan’s real interest rate is still deeply negative.

<WRONG TYPE OF INFLATION

>The weak yen has, unsurprisingly, stoked inflation in Japan.
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>>2517297
Crisis status?
>>2586219
What does this mean?

>>2586273
The "unrealized loss" part means that the value of the bonds has declined without the bonds being sold. This is happening even as the price to purchase those bonds have also declined, though apparently not enough to make buying them attractive. In essence, no one is buying Japanese bonds from these regional banks, which means they're being loaded with bad assets they can't sell, because they'd lose money on the transaction, thus "realizing" the loss.

>>2586044
You're replying to chauvinists who won't even question Stalin's alliance with western imperialism in WW2, let alone reject capital's attempt to distance itself from fascism.

>>2586065
>everyone is a capitalist except fascists
Amazing theory.

>>2586044
The only one getting triggered here is you. I know the "long live the butcher Hitler" quote was most likely just Bordiga covering his ass while living under ᴉuᴉlossnW's rule. I called him the "first zigger" as a joke. I personally view Bordiga the same way I view Trotsky. Their theoretical works made some salient points and did some based things. But their self proclaimed followers are the biggest retards imaginable. You people are so invested in this supposed struggle against "MLoid falsifiers" that only exists online. You're not going up to PSL meetings IRL to confront their supposed revisionism. This "struggle" solely consists of seething at people who like Stalin and Mao online, smugly deriding opponents of Israeli atrocities as "moralists", hand wringing about Third Worldism, and getting groomed by O9A. At least retarded Gonzaloists had the balls to disrupt a DSA meeting that one time.

>>2584576
Redditards coming in to seethe isn't a specter, and not a haunting. In fact, it's the complete reverse - the specter of Third Worldism haunts the West and the Western pseudo-left. Just look at Josep Borrell, a member of the Spanish "Socialist" ""Workers'"" Party.

>>2586179
Hello I'm a brown third worlder and the spector of western third worldism (critically supporting the bourgeois boot on my neck) haunts me

>>2586155
>>2586146
if you think they're more relevant than everyone else you might be terminally online or just shilling them with slightly more subtlety now that the irrefutable reactionary nature of their grifter streamer leadership has been elaborated upon multiple times

>>2586159
>Make unsubstantiated claims
>Prefix them with "objectively" or "material"
That's pretty much the crux of what passes for argumentation or analysis on here.

It's a goddamn shame because the whole point of dialectical materialism is to avoid the kind of vibes based assertions of shit like "The Protestant Work Ethic" and grounding political thought in reality. Instead it's used by a few as window dressing for the same vibe based assumptions.

>>2586166
>>2586167
Y'know what fucking blows my mind is the ACP will make bizarre exclamations
>"Gays are naturally imperialist"
>"America is some authoritarian collectivist Eurasianist state"
They'll proclaim themselves "MAGA Communists" and you'll get absolutely childish people here saying "Erm, they're objectively to the left of the CPUSA".

I think this boils down to people not even in leftist orgs trying to dictate what the wider movement "should look like"

>>2586172
It like… HAS to be solely keyboard warrior shit, right? How much of this even happens irl? Is this just another permutation of the "marketplace of ideas"?

>>2586174
Yknow I think an awful lot about what an older comrade once told me, which amounted to: "The most radical thing you can say doesn't necessarily mean the most radical thing you can do.." I'd say people who aren't in parties but consider themselves "Marxist-Leninists" are attracted more to the aesthetic of politics than actual politics.

And the ACP is a great source of aesthetics for them, they're throwing their logo on everything, they're waving their flags around, its a full social media blitz. Most importantly they always swagger about like they're "winning" and act like every tiny advance is a huge momentum shifting victory.

It's great for people who are more concerned with vibes I'd say.

>>2586100
cheers