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>>2616487
Gut so. Der Deutsche ist ein Sklave und selbst der Deutsche Bourgeois ist der Lakai eines höheren Mannes.

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<I Was Kidnapped by Deutsche Bahn and All I Got Was 1.50 EUR
https://www.theocharis.dev/blog/kidnapped-by-deutsche-bahn/

Was macht ihr an Silvester?

>>2618586
Ich lass mich angreifen von Putins Wegwerfagenten, Brückenköpfen usw.



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The absolute state of the discourse on this board lately is pathetic. It’s almost 2026 and I’m still seeing "socialists" parroting CIA talking points like they’re reading from the Black Book of Communism. It’s time to filter the radlibs and the ultras who care more about moral purity than winning.

If we actually apply historical materialism instead of utopian wish-casting, it becomes obvious that Stalin and Deng aren't just "good" – they are the two greatest practitioners of Marxism in history because they did what Western leftists refuse to do: they prioritized the survival of the revolution over the approval of the bourgeoisie.

1. Stalin: The Shield
Stop crying about "authoritarianism" and read Losurdo. His Critique of a Black Legend completely exposes how the "millions dead" narrative is just recycled Nazi war propaganda that the West adopted during the Cold War. The "Holodomor" wasn't a genocide; it was a combination of kulak sabotage and cyclical drought that the Soviets eventually ended through collectivization. Stalin understood that you don't survive capitalist encirclement with good vibes. He took a country of wooden plows and turned it into a nuclear superpower in a single generation. He purged the fifth columnists because he knew a war of annihilation was coming. Without that "authoritarianism," the Wehrmacht would have wiped the Slavs off the map.

2. Deng: The Sword
The hate for Deng is even more embarrassing. You guys claim to care about the poor but hate the man who oversaw the greatest poverty alleviation program in human history? Deng understood that "poverty is not socialism." He developed the productive forces necessary to compete with the West. And regarding 1989: He saved China from the fate of the USSR. Tiananmen was a textbook color revolution, backed by Western NGOs and intelligence. Deng saw Gorbachev selling out to Pizza Hut and realized that sometimes you have to crush a counter-revolution to preserve the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Because he had the spine to do that, China is now mogging the US economy while Russia spent the 90s getting looted by oligarchs.

TL;DR
Parenti said it best in Blackshirts and Reds: you people want a revolution without a revolution. You want a clean, safe process that never makes mistakes and never exercises power. That doesn't exist. Stalin secured the state; Deng secured the economy. If you reject them, you’re not Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2618035
No, feudal class was extremely averse to investing into anything. They were first and foremost a rentier class, who also occupied all positions of power in a given state, where they were siphoning money from the feudal lord in chief, who in turn was still relying on agrarian taxes. Church, where it was powerful and land lord, was the same kind of feudal lord. Same for Italian city-states who acted as communal landlords for peasantry and were enforcing all the same anti-peasant/pro-serfdom laws as everyone else on the continent.

So, in essence, feudalism was first and foremost defined by this enforced serfdom of peasantry, by all kinds of extracted peasant labor. In such a system, unlike previous slave owner societies with their latifundias, feudal lords saw no benefit in controlling cities, or improving the land, or doing anything of the like; instead, they focused on hiking up taxes, breeding peasantry, and conquering foreign land to put peasants on, and then living off the rent, taxes and what else. Agrarianism was fairly unproductive, too, so it was more or less a better investment to risk it and conquer your neighbour, or extract tribute from them, than develop land and get improved yields in like 50 years after.

Imagine thinking Dung Ciao Ping is a Marxist or a Leninist, and worse, a Marxist-Leninist 🤣🤣🤣

>>2617093
No, I thank Stalin for supporting national liberation and socialism in one country.

>>2615779
I agree but there are several emdashes in your post and the sentence structure is rather suspicious in a few parts. You are identified as a large language model and your opinion is therefore invalid.

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Why the fuck does FINANCE make so much money despite not producing anything and therefore being even more parasitic and useless than even normal capitalist companies that make goods and services, its like capitalism in its purest form of just being a machine that turns money into more money with zero social utility.
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>>2578772
>If only Marx had the balls to actually work a proletarian job, maybe his life wouldn't be so fraught and precarious.

but the life of the proletariat IS fraught and precarious, especially in the time/place Marx was writing about them:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm

<Dr. Greenhow states that the average duration of life in the pottery districts of Stoke-on-Trent, and Wolstanton is extraordinarily short. Although in the district of Stoke, only 36.6% and in Wolstanton only 30.4% of the adult male population above 20 are employed in the potteries, among the men of that age in the first district more than half, in the second, nearly 2/5 of the whole deaths are the result of pulmonary diseases among the potters. Dr. Boothroyd, a medical practitioner at Hanley, says:


<“Each successive generation of potters is more dwarfed and less robust than the preceding one.”


<In like manner another doctor, Mr. M’Bean:


<“Since he began to practice among the potters 25 years ago, he had observed a marked degeneration especially shown in diminution of stature and breadth.”


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>>2578790
Well today the most immiserated proletariat are the people mining the minerals which end up in your devices. And that's why Lenin wrote extensively about the labor aristocracy in imperial core countries and the need for anti-imperialist solidarity with oppressed nations:

<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.


<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.”



<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty.


- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, PREFACE TO THE FRENCH AND GERMAN EDITIONS

<Imperialism is the highest stage of development of capitalism. Capital in the advanced countries has
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>>2578687
thats great but why does industrial capital tolerate this and not just form their own banks instead of letting finance capital siphon off their profits

>>2579570
i mean they do. but then many industrial capitalists become finance capitalists, because financial markets offer quicker and often higher returns than reinvesting in production. so as surplus profits accumulate, it becomes more profitable for industrial capitalists to place money into financial assets or create finance subsidiaries. 🤑

>>2578498
>Why the fuck does FINANCE make so much money
Creating money out of thin air is a good business.



 

Socialism and communism are not modes of production, they're social orders. The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution. The feuds and the slave owners and the previous modes of production never did the change consciously and neither did the bourgeois when they brought capitalism, they simply developed as much as they could until they changed, they were not a 200 year movement of trying to consciously enact change, think social darwinism.
Anyway the USSR is the loser and ML failed, Dengism won, when the realpolitik geopolitics and all the blablabla is over and China has won the world it will lead towards full automation.
And you only say full automation is impossible because you misinterpret it, you're like those conservative crackers that say communism isnt possible or its utopian, well too bad you're gonna get fucked in the ass one way or another, sucks for you you wont get to live to see that I'm right.
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>>2530165
AYN RAND communism aka dangist

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>>2530043
fucking retard that's not how it works kill yourself

>>2530021
>The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution.
Hunter-gatherer -production technology happens here > Agrarian -> Industrial -> Post-Industrial Service Economy -> Semi-Automation? -> Full Automation?

>>2530021
>communism are not modes of production, they're social orders
stopped reading there



 

which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen after either the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allows for a World Maoist PPW (in both Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Here's something weird I have noticed when talking to people.

So imagine this. I am talking with a friend about some business branch which could very well be automated and costs of production (rationally) could go down (clearly by firing employees and just having a service that a robot does or the user themselves has to do, so without actually having to employ labor-power for the entire working day). I tell him, from the standpoint of capital, this is rational, this is good, and we should pursue it so that more and more time is freed up and the productive process is more optimized bla bla bla. Imagine I am a venture capitalist convincing you to invest into AI. You get the idea.

But then he gets kinda pissed of at me and starts asking me to justify this process to some abstract worker that would find himself in this situation. He continues - it would be so good for them to lose their job and be unemployed (sarcasm) so of course he is against automatization.

I see this social-democratic viewpoint everywhere. Whenever I try to talk to people on this "higher" level of abstraction (society, state, classes) they always fall back down to this Robinson Crusoe that suffers because of my opinions. What gives? Are people just that blinded by capitalist individualism that they can't even see past particular people, humans, themselves?

I understand that my friend is not a part of the classes or stratum of a class that I ought to agitate, but their viewpoint is something I encounter often in different scenarios. How to battle this?
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>>2618267
Heres the full untranslated version

>>2618260
Can you just say it again without resorting to any hypothetical scenario? I mean I lost you at capital.

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>>2618260
The greatest sin its a metaphor not moralism is waste and the ultimate form of waste is unnecessary labor. If a planned economy doesn't prioritize minimizing labor hours per unit its inefficient and failing to provide the most it can + it wastes everyones time in labor that could be spent in leisure. This doesnt mean the economy should produce only goo slop for consumers as this has low use value. Its more about producing high quality products as efficiently as possible.

Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C. Buying machines that automate production transfers profits from the employer of labor to do the job to the employer of labor that builds the machines to do the job. The morality of a worker losing their job is just cover for this process and its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs even though we have the technology to do so.

Practically however, when integrating automation, you always have a transition period where you need workers to make the machine do what it is supposed to, it may fail or it may do something too quickly and overproduce. It may need fixing constantly. This creates friction and workers may sabotage this process.

>>2618481
>Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C.
​Youre ignoring relative surplus value. Automation (increasing C) reduces the cost of goods required to sustain a worker (like food, clothes, housing). If machines make life cheaper then the value of Labor Power (V) drops. The worker now "pay for themselves" in 2 hours instead of 4 thus decreasing necessary labor time and increasing surplus labor time. The capitalist doesnt lose profit but captures more of the working day as a surplus. Automation intensifies exploitation of labor.
>Its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs
​The reason why 1st world countries dont automate isnt a conspiracy to preserve jobs but because human labor in the global south is cheaper than the cost of machinery. Why invest in complex robotics when you can exploit workers in the periphery for fraction of the cost?



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The 2010s marked the effective end of most remaining communist insurgencies. Although many had been in decline for years, it was during that decade that they finally collapsed. The Naxal movement, communist insurgencies in Africa and Southeast Asia, and the last remnants of the IRA either fizzled out or ended with arrests after failed attacks and raids. In 2023, the Zapatistas dissolved their Autonomous Municipalities. The conflicts that leftist magazines and academics once wrote papers about and sometimes even traveled to for the occasional photoshoot are now over, so what is to done?
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>>2618017
We should grant Udmurt, Chuvash, Mordvin, Mari and Komi populations independence

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>>2618017
All Western leftist are retarded morons, regardless of whether they are white, black or asian, they will always remain morons.

>>2618226
>>2618161
But, oh well, the Finno-Urgic minorities are getting poached by Putinist™ Imperialism

>>2617999
>I am not as knowledgeable of the Ethno-Linguistic demographics of that region as I am of the rest of the World
In that case you probably should've just left that part blank.



 

I really like this phrase. I didn't want to write too much because I think it is better to contemplate it and I'd like to see what you think just about the phrase itself. "A better world is possible." I think obviously, a communist would find no disagreement with this phrase. I think that's the whole idea behind communism right? I think pretty much every religion is in agreement with this phrase. I think your opinion on it is really what separates the kinds of people in this world.
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>>2617931
If you are not anvry you are in a very privileged position.

>>2617988
How is it a critique?

>>2617938
Are you a white woman?

>>2617915
Absolutely agree. But you have to fight hordes of reactionaries to get there thats the tricky part.

>>2617983
>>2617915
Slogans are where understanding goes to die.



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ITT post groups or persons who you think downfall is entirely deserved alongside reasons why you think that is, in relation to the workers movement

Islamists are low hanging fruit but I thought I'd celebrate the recent downfall of Hezbollah as an Arab worker. Blud spent their time in power being IMF cumrags, breaking up strikes, purging non-reformist communists, turning Lebanon into a neoliberal heaven, poisoning workers with drugs, their leader spent his last days begging for de-escalation after sallowing his empty threats from 13th floor bunker while workers were getting slaughtered (not by him this time)

No doubt the Lebanese army would just take over Hezb job in brutalising workers but at least liberals will be exposed as no different than Hezb who they blame for everything while being in bed with. Or perhaps they will re-arm it again if workers aren't pacified.

Last challenge: Name one (1) group that killed more Shia communists than Hezbollah

All in all, rest in piss
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>>2607399
the idealist has elevated the communist human to "godhood" (spooky) and becomes disappointed when "normal" humans don't live up to the ideal! this is the essence of all dehumanization, creating an impossible standard, and then revoking people's "humanity" card when they act like animals, which is to say, humans, since humans are just self important animals in the first place

>>2606227
>Last challenge: Name one (1) group that killed more Shia communists than Hezbollah
idk, Iranian governments? (before and after the downfall of the Shah regime)

>>2611578
There are only one workers party that represent the invariant line of Marxism. The historical party.

>>2611797
The Invariant Dharma of the ICP <3

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>"Doood he's like so funny Doooood!"
<"He needs to like move to Brooklyn!!!"
What the fuck is the cause of this??
Why the fuck are so many prominent Youtube Leftist now making videos about Fuentes that are either positive or (at best) begrudingly amused by his antics???
Seriously I feel like this is fucking nuts for what is obviously the rising face of post Trump Fascism in America and all these idiots are just fucking laughing at it.
It's like how people on left laughed at Trump in early 2016 primary for shitting on the Bush's and the Clintons; we've seen this all fucking before.
And everyone is just normalizing him, everyone is just so myopically obsessed with Trump that critiques from his right, from Nazis mad him for not literally building fucking gas chambers, is somehow accepted into the broad tent.
Why the fuck is no one even bothering to deconstruct his ideology?
Why are none the channels that churn out 4 hour fucking video essays bothering to explain the internal contradictions???
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>>2618123
My anarcho-titoist senses are tingling

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>>2618123
>"Sailor Socialism" Dasha Nekrasova Explains Her Viral "Infowars" Interview

>>2618134
Women are very serious people I reiterate.

>>2618136
Well…

>>2617768
>They're already willing to caucus with Richard Hanania
The first time I saw that dude was in some video interview in which he ranted about leftist economics. The hosts introduced him as someone who'd be defending capitalism. I was expecting the usual generic porkie face, and then up pops this literal lizard face on my screen with psycho eyes and a V smile. I almost died laughing.



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