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How come everywhere I look, Pissrael has its genocidal hands in every country experiencing trouble?

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/10/30/757871/RSF-militants-committing-genocide-in-Sudan-s-El-Fasher-with-UAE%2C-Israel-backing--Analyst
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Lmao kek @ all these anartoddlers ITT denouncing the anti-imperialist multipolarista RSF in their fight against the westoid zionist Soros lumpen NGO fodder (Darfuri women and children)
Sorry sweeties but accepting weapons and funds from racist slave owning pedo sheikhs and killing everyone at your local hospital is a necessary evil. If you radlibs actually read a fucking book (including Lenin's National Socialism - the Highest Stage of Communism) for once you'd understand.

If you disagree with wiping out the reactionary races maybe you should get back to >>>/reddit/ or stick with hanging out with your smelly polycule at your anarchist bookclub lol
Pics related: Actual Socialists (as opposed to bipoc demifurry lgbtqueef trnny social studies professors lul)

>>2546093
why do you complain about complaining if it doesn't stop the complaining, hypocrite?
because you're a seething zionist trying to shut down discussion by sowing demoralization and pretending communication of a problem isn't the first step of addressing a problem

>>2551415
your satire isn't funny, try saying what you actually think.

>>2551433
Dunno mate, maybe some of us are sick of the retarded ass "color revolution" spiel and calls for "c-c-critical support!" for every neolib comprador ghoul out there. Mao anon was right. There's people trying to "acktually" the RSF.
Past few months have also seen posters here denounce Serb and Malagasy "zoomers" for protesting against their pro-zionist IMF backed comprador leaders (muh color revolution!!). Even had a few trying to paint fucking Duterte as a kind of quasi-socialist "based" anti-imperialist multipolarista.

Anyway, you wanna know my position? I wish <someone> would do something about this. If I wasn't a poorfag and had some money to spare I'd donate it to whoever is fighting these freaks. Don't even care if it's NATO intervening at this point. The vids going around on Telegram are nauseating. Even worse than the Gaza/Ukraine stuff.

>>2548571
Or maybe you're just an ultroid retard



 

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>>2551349
it's why the US, as a post industrialized advance capitalist state, is caught in zugzwang against China.
Marx in Communist Manifesto
>"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society."
>"The bourgeois mode of production is the last antagonistic form of the social process of production but the productive forces developing within bourgeois society create also the material conditions for a solution of this antagonism."
as US/Wallsteret invests trillions more into AI and automation, it devalues labor and erodes market legitmacy.
if it slows AI and automation, it falls behind China and loses global competitiveness.

but you can't stop a tidal wave. we're seeing a qualitatively leap in productive forces that is different from the old productive forces. it's not merely just efficient tools of the 1st to 3rd industrial revolution that enhanced human labor. it's an entire new way of producing value because it replaces human labor. this disrupts the circuit of capital:
M — C — P — C — M
(Money — Commodity — Production — Commodity — Money)

if labor is no longer central to production, then profit becomes harder to extract, and capitalism’s internal engine begins to sputter. AI automation invalidates the foundations of capitalism and late stage capitalist states. the lack of need for wage labor destroys the foundation of surplus value extraction. the lack of meaningful scarcity undermine markets, prices, and profit motive. lack of employment creates social unrest and galvanizes social revolutions to transform the relations of production and super structure. china already created a revolutionary marxist leninist super structure in the 1950s. they had their revolution. they just needed the productive forces to catch up to the superstructure so then it can synthesize onto a higher relations of production.

>>2547554
Don't move to China, it's not like you can help, there's an excess of skilled labor anyways.

>>2547774
If it provokes such a war for its own gain then I doubt it would fight in it, or at least do more than a few symbolic strikes.

>>2547815
China won't be dealing with India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will be. They have far too much trouble with them to seriously provoke China.
>>2548041
Pakistan is also a nuclear power. I get what you're saying about how they have potential to rise like China did, but it's not happening under Modi or any other presumably Hindutva leader who succeeds him in the foreseeable future.

>>2532938
then why did Mao purge Deng?



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #2
>Tired of the re-runs edition
>>2440521 Previous thread
https://archive.ph/4Dq3L Thread 1 Archive

The Real Reason the USA Is Attacking Latin America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWH-LPyTow
0:00 Trump's war on Latin America
1:04 (CLIP) Trump meddles in Argentina's election
1:23 US imperial strategy in Latin America
2:02 (CLIP) Trump wants Venezuela's oil
2:14 Natural resources
2:41 Ties with China and Russia
3:02 Oligarchic counter-revolution
4:11 US war on Venezuela
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>>2551238
if he sends hypersonics it would be the most based thing he has done in his cucktin life

>>2551252
I have to stop myself from making cum tributes on here all the time so maybe
god I fucking hate modern russia but they'll finally be good for something for once

>>2551224
Another fucking proxy war where the ones who most suffer will be innocent civilians. Cold war imperialism never really ended.

>>2549230
>For all the risks Mr. Trump took in authorizing the American bombing of three nuclear-related sites in Iran in June, it did not involve an effort to overthrow or replace the Iranian government.
oh, but it did. the usa and israel tried to kill khamenei and successfully killed a bunch of high ranking members of his government and military.

anyway. dare i say i think it is a good sign that trumps government feels like they need to generate a legal justification for going into venezuela. probably means there is big capital in the USA that has interests that would be hurt by intervention in the country, and they're raising a stink about it in the white house.

>>2551282
>nooo you cant help a socialist leaning government with nationalized oil stand up to the americans who want to bully and plunder them, that would be proxy war!
fuck off, if anything giving them some good missiles might deter the burgerreich



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Historically speaking, how has the west been so good at dividing and conquering?
>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty
>body too short or empty

because when they're not good at it, they just bomb and kill anyway

كسمك يا ابن القحبة
كسم عبد الناصر
كسم العروبة
معاريص العرب خسروا كل حروبهم
العرب نكحوا رب فلسطين والسوريا والعراق ولييا والسودان
لوووووول
عاشت الثورة العمالية
كسم العروبة

Britain invented pan arabism in the early 20th century btw



 

What does leftypol think of animal rights?

Personally I believe proles are valued the same as cattle, and that we should liberate both nature and humanity. I have also been a long-term vegetarian
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Most people don't have the right to choose what they will and will not eat to survive, they just have to eat whatever they can find. The people who are privileged enough to have a choice about their diet can abstain from eating animal products or cheap junk foods as a personal choice and that's perfectly fine, but most people in the world can't really make choices like that, they have to take what they can get.

>>2551034
Yeah I've been involentarily vegan for a few years now due to the price of meat.

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>>2550943
keto is a bourgeois meme, if you want to enter autophagy that bad just stop eating entirely. it will begin sooner and you don't need to splurge on nuts and meats/egg (or tofu/TVP if you're doing vegan keto somehow)
>recycling while in heat
are you a cat anon

>>2551034
trve. i used to think that there should be a moral obligation on all urbanites to commit to a plant-based diet but now it's painfully obvious most of these "moral obligations" are nonsense that have no effect on material reality if not followed with restrictive laws and prohibitions, and i don't think we're getting climate stalin anytime soon because i'm a debbie downer pessimist, also known as le doomer

I don't have a problem with eating animals per se, but modern factory farming is an abominable practice.

I think animals should be guaranteed certain rights. They should have a right to live, a right to a thriving environment, and a right to be "happy" to the extent that such creatures can experience such things.

I grew up learning how to fish and hunt and I have already killed and eaten more animals than I can count, so I feel like any opinion I could have about animal rights is kind of meaningless at this point. I do think factory farming is pretty gross, but that goes for every kind of industrial mass production, humans taking more than they need from the Earth to make profit instead of just taking what is needed - I think that is what is gross and immoral, not killing an animal for food.



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169

This is one of the reasons why 'western civilization' is an ideological obstacle to sustainable socialism, and why socialism will not take hold in those regions until long after 'the west' has been destroyed.

I opine once again that socialism must not be conceived as the completion of the bourgeois revolution & progress beyond it; Instead it must be conceived as the negation of the bourgeois revolution, & progress in a different direction.

One potential means to do this is to look for moral & ideological precursors to socialism not in christianity & liberalism but rather in mohism & legalism. Its large project to be sure, and will take many years of (dialectical) work to formalize into something consistent, clear & formally outlined.

>>2549169
an issue is that "liberalism" is defined ipso facto (i.e. "liberalism" is a 19th century signifier). the earliest text i could find which references "liberalism" directly is andré vieusseux's "essay on liberalism" (1823), which i provide citation of here: >>2526253
his claim is that these "innovators" lack a cohesive theory of their own movement. they are not guided by a positive belief in liberty, but a negative belief against "stability". i then attempt to provide german idealist sources of a positive freedom, which appears linked to moral law and thus the liberal precedence of the supremacy of the legislative branch, as we see in england (i.e. "the rule of law", which evolves from habeas corpus to universal human rights). yet, kant still sees that for one to be free is not to be merely subject to law (e.g. dictatorship) but to submit oneself to the moral law as their own reason intuits it. thus, kant attempts to combine freedom and necessity, in what is later approximated by hegel. the earliest liberal ideas stress liberty and this seems to be its own end. yet there is the capitalist turn as smith identifies it (1776) between the class interest of the worker and the capitalist, where profits and wages compete against each other. the rise of socialism comes from.the french radicals, with pierre leroux first defining "socialism" twofold; saint-simonism and republicanism (i.e. liberty, fraternity, equality). proudhon had personal antagonism with leroux yet appears consistent in this republican idea (proudhon in 1849 revealing that his 3 intellectual "masters" were adam smith, hegel and the bible). marx on the other hand seems to have favoured saint-simonism (e.g. "the administration of things") and so came against the french republicans, with his theory of freedom (e.g. 1844 manuscripts) being the positive concept of humanism (communism) where contradictions end.

>>2524222
RELIGION is the opiate of the masses as Marx originally stated.
You're much more likely to get a liberal on your side than you are a religious person, at least in the west.
Look at the average American religious prole - they will vote against all of their class interests, knowingly, because of abortion.

>>2524381
>science of Marxism-Leninism
how to tell someone you don't understand or like science, marxism or leninism

>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)



 

Am I the only one who thinks Maupin needs to update his book with discussion on?:
>the Tesla burnings
>the Pennsylvania governor’s house being arsoned
>the shooting of the two Israeli embassy workers in DC
>the Minnesota school shooting
>the recent shooting death of Charlie Kirk

Seems like this is a good opportunity since it furthers his argument that an American Years of Lead are already here.
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>>2512896
are you having a stroke?

Waluigi update.

>>2512898
Most of those homes have since been destroyed and most of the original “Nakba survivors” will be dead by next decade.

>>2479203
The thing about terrorism is that it isn't worth the trouble. It never results in what people want it to do. Oftentimes, it does the opposite of the intent. You want to change people's minds about something, put away the bombs, and buy a newspaper. Or whatever the equivalent of a newspaper will be when they all go out of business.

You think there will be more or less political violence in NYC now that Mamdani is mayor?



 

What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?

Think about it. China does foreign policy based on sift power rather than militarism or blackmail. China builds hospitals in Mali in exchange for good, rather than invading and seizing the gold for themselves. China is the reason hundreds of millions of people in Africa have electricity and running water, right? If China can do this, why aren’t they stepping in and helping Detroit rebuild?

China could fund mass construction projects. Build housing all over Detroit that resembles housing in Chinese cities. Build a functioning metro/train system. Build more hospitals. Build better schools that look like wonder museums rather than prisons. Build urban farms to fix the food desert issue. Give Detroit the latest and greatest tech. Bring back millions of jobs. Why not?

China turns shitholes into functioning cities. Just compare their cities from 37 years ago to their cities now. They could easily do the same for Detroit. Trump Administration be damned. Just get the mayor of Detroit to form a working relationship with Xi and the CPC and watch things happen.
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wasnt there some chinaman lynched in detroit in the 90s?
its like hitler asking stalin for funds to rebuild his bunker in 1945.

What's stopping America from helping China? A lack of class consciousness and human solidarity among the 99%. And of course the 1% - the capitalists - don't give a shit, because why would they do something unless it directly materially benefits them? Worldwide suffering can only be stopped by worldwide collective action.
>>2524339
Unfortunately superheroes, like most media, are a byproduct of the pro-capitalism zeitgeist so they are never really written with enough nuance to even begin to address the world's problems. The closest you get are indie stories or liberal apologia "I can't solve humanity's problems for them" as if somehow stopping crimes doesn't contradict that https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Peace-on-Earth

>>2487365
>What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?
Americans.

>>2488150
>AI thumbnail
>Same guy that spread the myth that Haitians eat cats.

Mary Sheffield will work with AOC and Mamdani to save Detroit.



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How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?

For the past 10 years, the entire crux of the Democratic Party has been "STOP TRUMP". The average American Democrat or liberal now bases their political views solely on how much they hate Trump, MAGAts, "manosphere" podcasters, so-called "alt-right pipelines", and everything in between. They have no real principles and it shows.

The right-wing, on the other hand, believes it is creating a new world; it's a much worse world, but that's how they want it. This has caused liberals to prop up the old, dying system as a way of preventing it from collapsing into something worse. Now, we're seeing liberals who claim to be "left-wing" embrace everything from free trade agreements (on the basis Trump's tariffs need to be stopped) to hyper-consumerism (on the basis that spending money on fashion and makeup and mindless consumer goods helps maintain your "individuality" against Trump-era conformity) to literal junk food (in order to own RFK and MAHA). It doesn't take much to realize all of these were once things American liberals strongly opposed 20-25 years ago; I'm old enough to remember when "clean girl" no-makeup aesthetics, eating organic, and herbal medicines were leftist things.

American liberals are now pushing a culture of hyper-rationality and order to counter the mass chaos that has erupted in America under Trump. They hate ICE agents terrorizing communities but they hate the sporadic community defence and protests that pop up to beat back ICE even more. They hate the Luigi Mangiones and the Tyler Robinsons and the prospects of an American Years of Lead. They want everything to be "rational" and based on slow progression and linear shit. But this way is outdated. Trying to find the "middle path" doesn't work when capitalism is in a state of collapse. For the liberal, everything that doesn't fit their paradigm is "mysticism" which always equates to "fascism" and needs to be stamped out before it manifests into authoritarianism. But how can this hyper-rationalism win?

The same is true of foreign policy. Liberals insist on American soft power, which arguably won't work in a world post-Gaza where American support for the most documented genocide in recent history was on full display. Trump, on the other hand, is an old school imperialist who simply seizes whatever he demands without caring.

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>>2533652
Yup. They say Marx was racist and ableist so they replace him in universities with Foucault, who was a literal pefophile.

>>2533620
It is amazing how much of a self-inflicted wound their collapse in support especially with men has been. Just continually promote the dumbest most unsustainable viewpoints and ugliest imagery possible, what could go wrong? Unfortunately most of the people at the top responsible for this aren't going to be the ones facing the consequences of this, many such cases.

>>2533830
If Trumpers told people not to drink gasoline, ShitLibs would be chugging it by the gallon. That’s how fucking pathetic and worthless US politics is.

They will bomb at the midterms for being useless and then blame Russia.

Mamdani and AOC are the future of the Democrats.



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What's the best way to convince anarchists that power and hierarchy aren't inherently bad?

Anarkids act like they understand theory and sociology better than Marxists do. They love getting on their moral high horse by calling everything "oppression". Yet when you actually pick apart their arguments you'll see that they're full of hot air 95% of the time. They talk a good deal about intersectionality and anti-oppression, but when pressed on how to abolish those oppressive structures in society they have no clue.

Marxism, OTOH, is scientific. We understand that political power is necessary to reshape society. We also understand that hierarchies need to exist until we reach the stage of communism, and even then you will still see things like hierarchies of intelligence, talent, beauty, strength, and so on that can't simply be abolished through idealist methods.

But how do you explain this without looking like you're making apologia for oppression? I've tried the Hegelian way of simply saying "the real is rational" but that doesn't get through anarkids' heads very well.
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>>2547352
>Muh Lassalle
Not an argument

>>2547368
He needs to find a magic way where communism means the total subjugation of proletarians and the extraction of surplus value through the political machinery of the state rather than letting go of the sort of sentimentalism that forces him to argue that the red on the flag equals the blood wrenched out of workers

Anarchism is childish

>>2547318
>revolutionary abolition of capitalism
i wonder what marx would think the material premise for such abolition might be and if that effects the analysis of backwards underdeveloped states in any way

>>2547384
>>2547315
that is essentially what a dtop under conditions of underdevelopment is. whether you call that communism in the sense of the real movement or not communism in the sense of not having achieved a particular state of affairs is kind of a subjective distinction. we wont know till the owl takes flight since communism isnt a theory divorced from reality but the result of practice



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