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*This is mainly targeted towards zoomers on TikTok

Practically all leftist "propaganda edits" have been filtered towards slop copies of whatever the far right has been doing for the past few years;

The right starts making little dark age edits with World War 2 movies? The left copies that, only changing it from the German sided perspective to the Soviet,

The right starts putting shitty statistics over nature scenarios with nightcore blasting through? The left copies it, only changing the statistic and adding a ushanka to the retarded greek statue reaction image,

The right starts doing Agartha/Hyperborea edits? The left copies it, only changing the symbolism from the Black Sun to Red Shambhala (And yes, I know the whole Red Shambhala thing is supposed to be a parody of that),

What the fuck are we doing in that department? Any suggestions?
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>>2557170
Shitpost that gets like 5 000 likes on tiktok isn't going to impede class consciousness lol

>>2548966
Don't listen to them,they are just out of touch rich city twig boys with savior complex

Why are weebs alive and continue to breathe air when it could go to better places?

By the way, this guy >>2548966 is a schizo tranarchist from some dead incel board with 10 posts per day (https://endchan.org/lgbt/res/13942.html this is his thread and he practically lives on /lgbt/ board) and the Vatnik meme was made by a pro-EU and Euromaidan Ukrainian who fell into irrelevance and tried to come back by dunking on SJWs, radfems and liblefts and his fanbase fucking hated that LAMAOO.

>>2548966
>the ratio between patriots and liberals was 50/50, probably now is around 60/40 or slightly worse
"patriots" 40, "liberals" 60 [since 2022]
reactionaries 100. all of them



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Thread №2

Переможный, переговорный, пятнадцатотравневый.

Продолжаем трястись и ждать мобку.
Лолируем с красных фашистов, пыняславов и чучхеисов - вместе.
Переезжаем в тюмень, так как там нефтяная мекка и все жрут черную икру поварешками.
Левый поворот путина будет… надо только подождать… еще лет двадцать.
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>>2556679
Хрущев лежал?

Russian left status? I don't know anything about whats going on over there. How cucked is it?

>>2556998
we are killing ourselves


>>2556998
Сейчас самый главный вопрос поддерживаешь ли ты Пыню и СВО, про срачи правых с левыми все уже давно забыли



 

Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?

No one believes he’s an actual socialist, however his victory will be the most important victory of the American left of the past 90 years. Why? Because it shows the Zionist Lobby has NO POWER compared to the power of the MASSES OF PEOPLE and we can defeat the satanic Zionist entity not with a violent revolution but simply with voting. Nobody believes Mamdani is a perfect candidate but that’s not the point.

So why aren’t we backing him en masse? His inevitable win will be the biggest blow to US-Zio imperialism in modern history.
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>>2555555
>>2555562
I’m starting to think “Zionist” means “anyone who doesn’t want to gun down Jews in the street” to these obvious glowies.

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A Red-Brown Alliance I can get behind


Democrats need to win a supermajority next year during midterms so they can change the Constitution so Mamdani can be POTUS.



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How did "dudebro" culture end up being sort of retconned as right wing? I was in a purple state college during Bush's second term and everyone loathed conservatives. We didn't even have the obligatory Ron Paul guy in 07-08.

It's so funny how ubiquitous the "you shouldn't have touched our bideo games!!" talking point has become. The culture around them, the coverage, G4, the magazines, all chock full of jokes at the expense of the right. Maybe this issue isn't deeply political, but it is deeply infuriating to see history rewritten.
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>>2557087
Ngl mate, but I think you might actually be retarded
People looking at entirely different societies and immediately reading their own society and way of life into it, and therefore naturalize their own different circumstances as actually universal and inevitable is the very definition of reification

>How is it reification when I assume patriarchy is “natural” by specifically only considering patriarchal societies, ignoring egalitarian ones, and intentionally ignoring all individual men and women in my own society and across history that do not conform to how “I” (my society) has defined “natural” (itself)


What I want to understand is if this level of fascist stupidity and lack of even basic logical inquiry is a consequence of being raised in the West or something that needs to be molded out of most people?

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>>2557115
One group that knew the stark challenge were the xenofeminists, hence the motto: "If nature is unjust, change nature!" It seems many would prefer to say nature was just and good, once upon a time, we just fell from grace and need to retvrn. Very Christian.

Feminists tried to discover matriarchal societies in the 60s and 70s but it was a dead end. The way Marx talked it doesn't sound like he's say capitalist societies even in the 19th century were patriarchal, he always seemed to say that capitalism swept away the feudal patriarchal family (where the patriarch had life and death authority), but it seems you and most feminists would disagree and say we still live in patriarchy, men still rule and build the world. Even in AES, women might "hold up half the sky" but they can't be half the Politburo.

As for egalitarian tribes, that's probably more complicated and was overstated by past research, see here for example:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349971177_Human_social_organization_during_the_Late_Pleistocene_Beyond_the_nomadic-egalitarian_model

The tl;dr being that in the past there was a mosaic of nomadic egalitarian/sedentary hierarchal tribes depending on local food sources, that tribes tend to be more egalitarian in harsher environments (e.g. what most tribes live in now, pushed to marginal lands by civilization), and that's why humans exhibit a mixed social strategy.

And as for some of these so-called egalitarian tribes, still pretty patriarchal:

https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2018/1/31/on-secret-cults-and-male-dominance

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>"dudebro" culture
>2007-08
have you seen the infamous 2007 VH1 special about Wall Street guys like Jeffrey Epstein? Historical materialism explains this neoliberal grindset culture that has now been universalized to every opportunist wannabee-kulak Andrew Tate fanboy. Karl Marx's controversial essay on how everyone will be a "huckster Jew finance bro" after capitalism has proletarianized every ethnic group was proven correct:

twitter link https://xcancel.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1965400559634317790#m

also I found this 2007 post in a college forum thread in the Business Major subforum, where liberals explicitly talk about their envy of finance imperialists
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/fabulous-life-of-billion-dollar-wall-street-ballers/369442
>Think stars are having all of the fun? Think again. These days nobody's making more and spending more than the buttoned-down badasses of Wall Street. From their sprawling estates and tricked-out private yachts to exotic vacation homes and multi-million dollar art collections– these guys are living larger than anyone else on the planet. Welcome to The Fabulous Life of Billion Dollar Wall Street Ballers Let's talk salaries people. Hedge Fund King Steven Cohen pulled in $1 billion in 2006. Financier Edward Lampert? He raked in $1.5 billion. That's right…in just one year. And you'd better believe these guys know how to spend their hard earned money too…especially when it comes to real estate.
<Billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein? He lives in the absolute largest dwelling in all of Manhattan, a 51,000-sq-ft palace on E. 71st street.
>Eddie Lampert paid over $20 million for a magnificent waterfront property in Greenwich, CT…only to tear it down and rebuild. But of all the Wall Street spenders around, absolutely nobody can outdo Steven Cohen. He's got a 32,000-sq-ft Greenwich home complete with massage, exercise and media rooms, plus a full-size basketball court, tennis court, ice-skating rink and even a 700-square-foot house just for his Zamboni. CohePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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it's what happens when you try to make a culture that surrounds or even overlaps with Call of Duty, American Exceptionalism and post 9/11 economics.

it's been brewing since the first gen-z'ers were born
capitalism will take everything you enjoy and turn it to shit

>>2557115
Can you show even one egalitarian society from the past? One society where men and women acted in a wholly different way from men and women of 2020s?
>inb4 some tribe of 50 people from Central Congo basin



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What's the best way to convince anarchists that power and hierarchy aren't inherently bad?

Anarkids act like they understand theory and sociology better than Marxists do. They love getting on their moral high horse by calling everything "oppression". Yet when you actually pick apart their arguments you'll see that they're full of hot air 95% of the time. They talk a good deal about intersectionality and anti-oppression, but when pressed on how to abolish those oppressive structures in society they have no clue.

Marxism, OTOH, is scientific. We understand that political power is necessary to reshape society. We also understand that hierarchies need to exist until we reach the stage of communism, and even then you will still see things like hierarchies of intelligence, talent, beauty, strength, and so on that can't simply be abolished through idealist methods.

But how do you explain this without looking like you're making apologia for oppression? I've tried the Hegelian way of simply saying "the real is rational" but that doesn't get through anarkids' heads very well.
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>>2547368
He needs to find a magic way where communism means the total subjugation of proletarians and the extraction of surplus value through the political machinery of the state rather than letting go of the sort of sentimentalism that forces him to argue that the red on the flag equals the blood wrenched out of workers

Anarchism is childish

>>2547318
>revolutionary abolition of capitalism
i wonder what marx would think the material premise for such abolition might be and if that effects the analysis of backwards underdeveloped states in any way

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>>2547315
that is essentially what a dtop under conditions of underdevelopment is. whether you call that communism in the sense of the real movement or not communism in the sense of not having achieved a particular state of affairs is kind of a subjective distinction. we wont know till the owl takes flight since communism isnt a theory divorced from reality but the result of practice

if you're ever at a point where you have to morally justifying something you're on the wrong track. If you want to properly critique then you have to rid your analysis of any arguments which appeal to morality/morals. That's why MLs are just as bad as anarchists at critique, they bothe engage in moral discussion.



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Why can't have of this website admit this guy was a hellspawn and had a very negative impact on communism's reputation abroad?
Not even his regressive social policies or endless sectarianism in regards to fragile socialist movements abroad is brought up
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>>2555383
>The Sino Soviet split, at least if you take Mao at his word, is actually explicitly over the USSR ditching the orthodox line of Stalin. The later Albanian faction and split from both *also* happened because of perceived divergence from Stalins Orthodoxy by both the USSR and China.
I'm not sure, Mao and the Chinese communists would say stuff like that, but Mao privately criticized Stalin to Soviet officials after Stalin died, and then a lot more publicly in speeches and writings. He said Stalin didn't understand dialectics and had a one-sided way of thinking, and that you couldn't criticize or disagree with him. If you did that, you were deemed a counterrevolutionary and executed. If you disagreed with the USSR, you were automatically anti-Soviet. But the Chinese also didn't like how Khrushchev made Stalin out to be so terrible. That's actually an interesting thing to me. You couldn't criticize him when he was alive, and the Soviets built statues of him and names cities after him, and then tore those things down and renamed the cities after he died. It was either one way or the other.

Stalin also refused to believe in the idea that contradictions continue to exist in socialism. In the Stalinist view of things, things are either this way or that. The crux of the matter is that Mao criticized a view that you just need to focus on developing the forces of production (because you've assumed you already have an advanced social system / relations of production / i.e. socialism). This was a "revisionist" idea because in his view the socialist transition is a stage of revolution so you need continued struggle against continuing bourgeois influence in society and in the economic system.

They had other issues with Stalin. Like in "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR," it basically says nothing about the superstructure. It's not concerned with people, only things. Technology decides everything, the cadres decide everything, not the masses. "They speak only of the production relations, not of the superstructure nor politics, nor the role of the people. Communism cannot be reached unless there is a communist movement."

Also, I think a big reason for the Sino-Soviet split is that the Chinese felt the Soviets didn't treat them as equals.

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>>2557165
Good post and i fully agree. Hence the "if we take mao it his word".
My post was mostly aimed at challanging the vague and outright full rejection of an important historical figure in the movement, which often just indicates intellectual laziness and an increased risk of actually repeating the same mistakes because of refusing to engage in granular criticisms.

>hellspawn
<negative impact on reputation
liberal ideology Democrats always whine about "messaging" in their realpolitik public relations as the biggest problem facing the working class. "Stalin is a demonic satanist! His art zines are so uncouth!" lmao 😂

>>2557174
>repeating the same mistakes
euphoric anti-Stalinist nazi settlers:
>"I'm a post-historical subject, my nu-bourgeois revolution is epic and based, I am beyond history, I'm modern and not like those ignorant people in the past"
euphoric anti-Stalinist DSA settlers:
>(same soy redditor PMC ideology from the Elon Musk sci-fi fanclub who uses AI to manage their slaves exactly as IBM did during the holocaust, but now its a Jewish settler surveillance state of transgender drone programmers who insist they are anti-fascist)


>>2557044
>Social liberty is bound with material liberty,



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I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type the other day who was telling me they don’t feel bad for homeless westerners and that they deserve it. Now I absolutely hate American Imperialism as much as any socialist should but this seems like an absurd leap in logic to wish ill on the common people of the west who while they do benefit in some degree from imperialism, don’t hold the power structure and are also the ones who are made to fight in their bullshit wars. Is socialism when you wish homelessness on white people?
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Why are you on twitter arguing with Hazoids?

>>2557011
>This doesn’t describe the marxist analysis of the capital system to begin with, capitalism isn’t a conspiracy enacted by the Jew the bourgeoisie
When I said minority at the top I was in fact talking about capitalists.

>Do you apply the same logic to military dictatorships throughout the world?

I‘m really tired of autism level pedantry that refuses to recognize that a person will not address the hundred nuances that are actually involved in their opinion. With that level of obtuseness people would have to write entire books for every statement they make because every possible angle of pedantry would have to be covered.

Obviously it matters what exactly the circumstances are and I believe someone living under a military dictatorship has a good excuse for why they don‘t take action against it. This isn’t the case for Westerners, so stop acting stupid.

>Every living human tends to

That’s the reasoning of a 5 year old to get out of trouble. That everyone allegedly does something doesn‘t actually make it okay. And there‘s a difference between seeking comfort in trivial matters compared to when it comes systems of oppression where average Westerners had plenty of freedom to educate themselves, organize and engage in effective political actions. Instead they prioritized their comfort at the cost of billions of people living in misery around the planet. That is inexcusable.

>>2554998
>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type
why would you do this? online or ir…yeah dont argue with children on the internet
>>2555011
>They told me they were an accelerationist
thats retarded. left acceleration is just the observation that technology increases the frequency of crisis based on marxs fragment on machines

>>2556128
>Hitler speech bubble
white doesnt mean white skin it means colorless as in opposition to colored. its the default not a race and its a historical category based on how capitalism developed not an essentialist trait. its you that has the hitler particles for thinking its an identity



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have you ever come to the realization of the universal truth of dialectics for the first time? sounds a little retarded and maybe it is but i got really high and finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant, how so many of my recurring thoughts on emergent properties were actually just separate cases of the one most fundamental belief to materialism. and how many of my issues with society were born from the most elementary politic which comes from the most essential divide – the belief in a static world of essence, and the belief in an ever-changing world of emergent properties. analytic philosophy has destroyed the world
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Dialectical materialism is not real.
Try Praxeology instead.

>>2557117
Praxeology is not real.
Try Tricknology instead.

>>2557119
Praxeology works, humans are rational creatures who operate in their perceived self-interest.
Dianetical materialism is fuck knows what. Give me a concise definition of dialectical materialism.
Nobody ever gave me a good definition. It's all mumbo jumbo.

>finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant
Aristotle:
<left his segregated imperialist apartment to engage in dialectics (i.e talking) with his slaves.
Brooklyn settlers:
<The class of "anti-woke" Marxist PMC pseudo-intellectuals have never, ever left, they aren't leftists. They will never talk to their slaves on their podcasts and youtube shows. Just incessant settler condescension and scolding about art and culture and philosophy from degenerate Contrapoints fans

>i got really high

guy who is indistinguishable from the white dreadlock hippies that got owned in Oct 7th while they were dancing to EDM outside the largest concentration camp in human history: "read my art zine about how analytic philosophy has destroyed the world"

>>2555863
yeah its pretty based



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Yeah I want that, FUCK YOU CHINA YOU'RE KEEPING GOOD GOVERNANCE AND NICE TECHNOLOGIES TO YOURSELF. FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER. I WANT THAT SHIT TOO. I DONT WANNA DO MY OWN THING YOU HELP ME OUT UYGHUR. WEIBO UYGHUR. BRING ME THE CHINA TO EASTERN EUROPE AND THE SEX ROBOTS AND EVERYTHING. I WANT DENGISM XIISM HERE RIGHT HERE MOTHERFUCKER. GOVERN ME CHINA YOU FUCKING TRAITORS, AUTONOMIST CHAUVINISTS I SHIT ON YOUR MOTHERS' COFFINS. CHINA OCCUPY EUROPE NOW. RULE EUROPE CHINA FUCK YOU I WANT SOCIALISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS AND A SCIENTIFIC OUTLOOK ON DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE. WHY ISN'T IT POSSIBLE? IT IS POSSIBLE. COME HERE.
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>>2554963
SwCC is state capitalist but whatever you say

Stop being such an SLF

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SINO WORLD





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Is that true that Venezuela was way more free and richer before Hugo Chavez?
Many people i talked with said it was.
I'm not into history so much,so i wanted to ask you about this.


no, it was another comprador state like all lat am after operation condor. it was better if you were rich and owned oil.

>>2557162
>it was better if you were rich and owned oil.
Many such cases.



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