/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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Hey /leftypol/, the more I'm reading about these topics the more I get diverging interpretations that seem unreconcilable. So, what's the global consensus on these notions ?

>historical materialism
The structure of society, which reflects the mode of production (capitalism, socialism, feudalism etc), creates antagonist groups with structural interdependance aswell as structural contradictory modes of existence (i.e. the proletariat will aim to maximize their salaries, but the bourgeoisie will attempt to extract the most surplus value from the proletariat).
Over time, this creates change and conflict within societies, giving way to paradigmic societal change (i.e. feudalism -> capitalism -> …)
However, another interpretation seems to see it through the lens of the development in productive forces. In this case, the contradiction ceases to be between classes, but rather between the development of productive forces with the relations of production (i.e. feudalism preventing capitalism from developing because of taxes or irrational norms).
The first interpretation makes me tend to believe that there is no gradual change from one society towards another, and simply a dialectical movement towards the abolition of classes, whilst the second one seems to be much more technology-centric and linear.

>dialectical materialism
This one seems to be the most controversial one. From what I can gather, it seems that it originated with Engels and that it posits that the material world in eternal motion driven by contradictory forces and structured around 3 natural laws. However, doesn't this imply some form of naturalism ? Nonetheless, another interpretation that I have picked up accounts for it being the idea that man is in a dialectical interaction with his environment, by which he is able to consciously work on it whilst also being determined by the latter. This interpretation can be imo hardly derived easily from the first one.

>alienation
Every individual is intrinsically a social and creative potential, by which he can be fulfilled or alienated. Alienation here refers to the mechanisms inherent to capitalism which "alienates" the proletariat from that potential by reducing them to cogs.
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the most recent Epstein file drop potentially implicating the creation of /pol/ with moot meeting with Epstein feels like it needs to have its own thread. it's pretty much an accepted fact at this point that Epstein played a key role in what seems to be a massive secret human trafficking ring that exists as a form of Mutually Assured Destruction to for the elites to maintain power, but what is currently a lesser-known and recent revelation is that circumstantial evidence indicating that the entire formation of the far-right was an astroturfing psyop by pedophile billionaires and the intelligence community.

in particular, this thread >>>/lgbt/3094 links even more damning evidence that the astroturfing of far-right politics has been intentionally perpetrated as a psyop to ensure that the Molochian demons in power have access to as many children to rape as possible. pedocon theory is not a meme at this point or even merely an own on the hypocrisy of the far-right; it arguably is a significant factor behind the existence of the far-right today.

https://dump.li/a/29c72d#x

https://archive.org/details/dark-web-playground-child-abuse-forum-leak-censored-posted-endchan-03.18.2025

while it's bordering on LARP to act like anything serious happens on this site, broadly speaking "the left" and especially leftists familiar with imageboard culture & history should be investigating and agitating more specifically on this matter. the purpose of this thread is to consolidate information on this and to crowdsource more investigative work in the Epstein files specifically on the issue of astroturfing the creation of the alt-right. if you are involved in any real life organizing of any kind you should be spreading this information far and wide for agitprop purposes.

the masses needs to know that there is no civil debate to be had with the right, nor is there even any particularly sophisticated leap in theory and critique one needs to make; the far-right is simply ontologically evil and we should be agitating on them all being controlled by human traffickers as hard as possible.

Im trying to look into the epstien conspiracy and links to pizzagate back in 2016-2017, idk about yall but this has fully become my hyper fixation and if can have more schizos send some files or links ill suck you thru the screen

The 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul provided a vivid demonstration of how even decentralized movements can successfully detect and neutralize infiltrators through collective practice. According to contemporaneous reporting, members of the RNC Welcoming Committee, an anarchist federation of anonymous affinity groups, systematically photographed law enforcement during confrontations and worked to memorize faces over the months.

This practice paid off concretely. At a rally in Mears Park, a protester recognized a man who looked like an anarchist or leftist, dark clothes, red flag, backpack, disheveled appearance, and realized she had photographed him days earlier during a police raid on the Welcoming Committee's headquarters. She spread word to other protesters, who confronted the man and his two associates and told them to leave the park. The men departed and entered an unmarked sedan whose license plate traced back to the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office detective unit. Private investigators associated with the affinity groups were able to recover these plates.

Later the same day, protesters identified two additional men during a planned march, one singled out simply because he was wearing brand, new tennis shoes, a subtle marker of inexperience or incongruity with movement norms. Those men also left in an unmarked sedan.

Academic assessment of security culture during the RNC found it had "a mixed record". It succeeded in "frustrating shorter-term infiltrators operating at the movement's peripheries, but "generally failed to prevent longer-term infiltrators from gaining others' trust" . This distinction is crucial to understand. The men identified in Mears Park and the march were likely peripheral operatives which is shorter-term infiltrators whose behavior or appearance had not yet fully assimilated to movement norms. The deeper penetrations, the operatives who spent months building relationships and trust, remained undetected.

>>Detection Protocols, what the people can actually do

The RNC example illuminates several concrete practices that movements employ to detect infiltrators –

>>Documentation and Memory Work. Systematic photography of law enforcement during operations creates a visual database that can be referenced when unfamiliar faces appear in movement spaces. The protester who recognized the raid participant did so bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Imagine my shock when I learned that US demographic losses from Great Depression were almost as high as what USSR had suffered from WW2 or WW1. It was like 10 times worse than Soviets' Holodomor, as it turns out. Simply terrifying what kind of horrors US censorship has hidden from us

Capitalism will end in a few decades.
I concluded this by playing a flash game called Oiligarchy which you should play for yourself and see the eco ending:
https://armorgames.com/play/2607/oiligarchy (Original)
https://www.hackedfreegames.com/game/3195/oiligarchy (Hacked/Cheats)

and by searching "when will the world run out of oil" on Google, which said:
<Based on current consumption rates and known reserves, the world is estimated to run out of economically accessible oil in approximately 50 years, or around 2052–2060.

And I once read this guy called Reza Negristani who wrote a book (Cyclonopedia: Complicity with Anonymous Materials) about how oil is capitalism and its sentient, like he was saying capitalism needs oil, also the west runs on oil and its obviously important to them. Lots of guys like Michael Parenti and Jacques Derrida and whatnot wrote big books on how the west invades for oil, fights for oil and like is living because of oil and stuff.

So yeah, there won't be an ecological collapse / doomsday. West should fall soon. Unless they use nukes for M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction) like in one of the game endings.

To address some concerns:
>We're already past the point of no return, this ecological damage is irreversible, we're fucked.
No I'm pretty sure not, but if we are its like… why aren't you doing whatever you want if its your final days? Go.
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>>"Prostitution is the outlet of too many bourgeois. One turns the son of the poor man into a slave and his daughter into a courtesan. The exploiter class asks for your sons to degrade them, Your daughters to rape them, you and your wives to exploit you. Watch out Parisians. Long Live Anarchy! Long live the commune!"

Albert Libertad, 1898

Epstein and Maxwell manipulated 4chan and Reddit respectively in order to fuel both sides of the "culture wars". Now they're fueling it once again in order to distract from the revelations that were in the files.

I just finished reading The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962) by Thomas S. Khun and it struck me as one of those instances of a non-Communist person being dialectical materialist on accident. I actually don't know what his attitudes towards Communism was, but since he was born in the USA and spent almost his entire adult life in the Cold War, I assume it wasn't good. But nevertheless, I found this to be a very intriguing but short book (he calls it an essay) which analyzes science not as a static teleological method based on making falsifiable conjectures and attempting to refute them through experiments (as with Popper) but as a continually evolving and socially constructed human enterprise based on changing paradigms, which continually rewrites and simplifies its own history in order to abridge the process of raising and training new generations of scientists. Science continually subdivides into new fields, and old paradigms are continually replaced with new paradigms through the process of crisis formation and resolution. Old theories are abandoned, and the very process of raising and training a new generation of scientists in a given field introduces only the current dominant paradigm and its main problem/solution methodologies (called "normal" science) to avoid burdening the student with the entire historical background. But as scientists engage in experimentation, they uncover anomalies which the dominant paradigm cannot explain. At first this is fine, because paradigms reign as long as dominant theories are able to explain most phenomena encountered in daily work. Anomalies are just treated as mop up work for normal science. But as anomalies accumulate there is crisis formation and entire paradigms get called into question, leading to scientific revolution. He compares this to social and political revolution and it reminds me of the whole Scientific Socialist thing about the transformation of quantitative changes into qualitative changes. I'm probably explaining it poorly but I'm wondering if anyone else here has read this book and gotten anything out of it, or maybe even if you thought it was trash, say why.