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Which socialist countries could a NEET move to join the working class?

<As of 2023, approximately 21.7% of young people worldwide, aged 15 to 35, are classified as NEET, meaning they are not in education, employment, or training. This statistic highlights a significant global issue regarding youth engagement in productive activities.
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>>2697640
>what is conscription

>>2697645
avg conscript

>>2676144
>>2689257

>>2676078 was me. Look guys I dunno what else to say. I wasn't trying to shame you, though the OP frustratingly seems to imply they can only "join the working class" by moving to a socialist country. If you want to either socialize, organize or at least understand how a part of you local area's economy works, get a job where you are now. Even if you want to move to another country to either immigrate to or get connected with Lefties abroad, get a job, save up some money, put some of that money into a passport and plan where you'd want to move to. Find a cheaper city in said country to move to, and make plans to go through a language school if you really want to move as soon as possible.

should i move to vietnam

I really like Vietnamese food




 

for socialism to have any future at all, America has to be the site of the next revolution, it can't be the third world or anywhere else. The post war 20th century taught us that every third world revolution will just get immediately crushed by US imperialism and the last revolutionary remnants in cuba and venzuela are being suffocated. Doomers and third-worldists have no answer for this

>but american workers are reactionary!!!

not true at all really, your average american prole are gen z and millenial service workers who hate rich people. If Somehow the bolsheviks were able to convince highly religious and reactionary russian workers to support them then american workers will be easy.
>but american workers are bought off!!!
American cost of living makes any salary premium pointless. neither party has a solution and americans are increasingly dissilisioned with both parties.
>White people are too racist for revolution!!
White workers in minneapolis are literally fighting and getting shot in the streets for mexican immigrant workers. Additionally patriotism is at all time lows, and especially for gen Z, meanwhile in pre-2008 times patriotism was basically universal and bipartisan
>But the state is too strong!
in 2020 protesters literally forced trump to retreat to the whitehouse bunker and most police and national guard forces pulled out or were forced to stand down. Additionally the rank and file of the US military is disproportionately minority and younger and not heavily invested in US empire and is just there to sit on base all day and get paid a shitty paycheck, meanwhile their superior officers are mostly older and white and getting payed way more breeding resentment.
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>>2699006

it does seem like if the power of the american government transformed to socialism it would be a major boost to international socialism……?

>>2699011
exactly, imagine all of the wealth of the american bourgoeisie seized and nationalized by the workers, imagine how powerful the american workers state would be. and with american capital out of the picture, bourgeoise governments around the world would fall like dominoes

Its not impossible the illusion the us state has a deep security spparatus is intertia from back when it could afford it. Reality will set in in the near future the us is broke and cant afford to protect itself snd then itll be disorganized chaos from inside the boarder and across it.

>>2699066
It's the workers that are "broke", the US is far from being broke.

>>2699071
Its debt is now unpayable. Tge state is cutting military benefits and relying on volunteers for ice. It doesnt matter how wealthy the upper 20% are they wont pay for it.



 

do you have the courage to not conflate individualism and collectivism with loose and tight culture? many would-be communards have tried and failed.

Pic unrelated
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>>2689873
>Great Man complex
Never once mentioned a great man and have only talked about streamlining the textile and fashion industries which you seem incapable of understanding.
>drab utilitarian vision of "socialism".
bro you actually admitted to thinking people wearing trash is good. I understand if people in poverty are forced to wear trash and try to make the best out of a bad situation. But to praise this situation as ideal and actively fight against people who want to give everyone quality clothes, basic shelter and nutritional food is insane. Maybe you should reassess your priorities.

Individualism isn't real, even capitalism is collectivist in operation. But i wouldn't call myself couragous for pointing that out, that'd be strange.

>>2689119
it does empirically not do this

>>2689150
posting theory that 100% validates my position. learn to read.

>>2687990
Even the sistah there looks white



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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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>>2698791
Unironically thanks for the link, was worried the best I got was buying a bunch of Cuban cigars.

The US empire dying and it wants to take as many of it's neighbours along with it

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dont worry putin is sending tankers of oil to cuba

>>2698776
China should send solar panels and electric vehicles there. This would make the island self sustaining when it comes to energy.

>>2699043
that libtard should be giving them hypersonics



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>"As a leader, one of the things that you need to understand is you need to stop looking at generative AI and AI and AI agents and all these things as just technical things that you go and approach. You need to think of them fundamentally differently. And I think the model you need to think of is that AI is labor. You wanna think about AI as the future that you use to augment your workforce and to give your workforce additional capacity. Every person in your workforce is going to be using AI to give them additional labor to support them. They're gonna become leaders. Now, some people think, well, this AI stuff, it's only really isolated to certain specific roles."

Dr. Jules White
Professor of Computer Science
University of Maryland, College Park
Vanderbilt University
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>>2696962
>slavery became more expensive when it switched from fresh catch to breeding actually
interesting

>>2696969
>do slaves create a surplus product? (y/n)
this is indeed the central question
>but they dont. a slave IS a commodity, like labour-power IS a commodity.
sure. but West African peasants are not commodities. they only become commodities after having been enslaved. before that they are free gifts of nature
>then how do you explain their price at the market?
acquiring and shipping slaves costs money. let's assume the slavecatchers are paid a wage. the slavecatcher must deliver slaves worth more than these costs. as a result the slavecatcher is exploited
another consequence of taking Marx at his word is that slaves are not exploited, since slaves do not produce value. this realization is sure to make moralfags very angry

>>2697028
>value for marx is socially necessary labor time which is defined with respect to the average conditions of production prevailing within a market. relative surplus value and surplus-profit are both premised on this fact. the idea that value as a social average was a simplifying abstraction rather than maybe the single most fundemental part of marx's contribution to political economy is insane.
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>>2697573
>why is agriculture and mining subject to marginal effects (ground rent) but spinning and weaving supposedly are not? the simplest explanation is that both groups are subject to the same law
the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output:
<The introduction of power-looms into England probably reduced by one-half the labour required to weave a given quantity of yarn into cloth. The hand-loom weavers, as a matter of fact, continued to require the same time as before; but for all that, the product of one hour of their labour represented after the change only half an hour’s social labour, and consequently fell to one-half its former value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm

>>2697926
>the marginalism of labour inputs is applied with the law of diminishing returns on each commodity produced. marx acknowledges this in capital vol. 1, chapter 1, where he says that technology lowers the value of commodities in proportion to output
that's the opposite of a marginal effect. marginal effects increase the value of a commodity. this is the essence of ground rent. but, investment lowers the value of a commodity. the latter is what Marx is saying in your quote. both effects are neatly covered by optimization theory. it can be summarized thusly:
>value is marginal in the absence of technical change
the value of a commodity goes up the more commodities are produced
>technical change brings about economics of scale
the value of a commodity goes down the more commodities are produced
both statements above are true. it's dialectical you see

>>2694130
he seems to have misspelled project Cybersyn

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🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷 Aux armes, citoyens ! 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
I noticed there is no thread for France related shit. So let this be one. French people deserve a safe space and guarantees for their continued existence on loser imageboards!
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'y a pas de thread dedié pour la France, alors que les salauds américains et anglais en ont des centaines. Français, ne succombez pas à l'impérialisme anglochiotte!

Subjets of Macronpiter, leave a post.
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on ne l'appelle pas le boss final des internet pour rien

>>2696259
Valery Giscard d'Estain was the biggest Eurocuck we've ever had,even with Macron in close second,uygha got buried with the European Union Flag lol

>>2698344
DELET THIS

VE ARE QUENTIN

VE CARRY ZE FLAMME

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Current vibe



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We have to rig Hungary's election. We have to finance organizations that will rig Hungary's election and ensure a victory for anti-imperialist comrade Orbán.

<Polls show that there's a good Chance Orbán will lose the next election. Chances of this tard attacking Ukraine to reclaim Hungarian inhabited areas and to postpone an electoral defeat just got a bit higher.


We have to ensure Orban wins, lets fund some organization that rigs the election or donate to the party of FIDESZ.
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>>2698598
Not happening, MLs took the route they did and now you have to settle for the lesser evil leftovers
this is the inevitable result of ML

>>2698647
you mean realpolitik where there are always lesser and greater evils because universe doesn't care about your feelings or your ideological ideals?

Hungary is a completely irrelevant country without natural resources or a large population in an irrelevant region without a large population or natural resources? Why should anyone living outside of there care about its politics?

>>2698828
because it's a veto power within the single biggest economical market on the planet.

>>2698886
It’s not a province of China or a BRICS member (yet)



 

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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Convenient distraction Edition


💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
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>>2698826
>They couldn't just "rise up" and overthrow their oppressors when they were kidnapped, sent across the ocean, and brought to a foreign land where they have no rights, no ability to organize, and no political allies
Entire generations of slaves were born and raised in America, and although they had no rights they did have the ability to organize. As you said they organized uprisings as well as other forms of resistance like the Underground Railroad. They also did this with the assistance of abolitionists, so they did have political allies.
>If you fail to overthrow the bourgeois you'll just be put back to work.
Or you end up mysteriously dead like the Ferguson organizers, the cops drop a bomb on your house like the MOVE bombing, or kick in your door at night and murder you like Fred Hampton. Even still, there are workers uprisings in America, it's just that these fail because like the slave uprisings they lack the resources and degree of participation to be successful. If slaves get credit for their failed uprisings then we should also credit failed worker's uprisings like Occupy, the George Floyd riots, etc.
>You also have infinite resources to organize and build solutions
Bro what do you mean infinite resources? Do American proles have the same funding and manpower as the bourgeoisie? Do they have the media on their side? Come on. Organizing is hard because of the complete lack of resources.
>But the American proles are still too afraid to do anything that might disrupt their lifestyle
If by "disrupt their lifestyle" you mean ending up dead, in jail, or destitute then yes.

all my burggaz >>2698833
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>>2698822
Malcolm X was kind of calling house slaves treatlerites, and Nat Turner was a house slave, along with a lot of the Haitian Revolution’s leaders iirc. Treatlerite class traitors may or may not be a historic force, only an undeniable food and energy crisis in the imperial core will show it.

>>2698834
(new thread)

>>2698829
If they aren't feds, the calls for violence usually come from outside the US from those with no understanding of geographical or cultural differences outside the theoretical realm. And the loudest calls for violence only come from those who won't suffer the consequences of it.



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> ban counter-revolution
> ban pedophile doctors
> create perfect society
> westoids can’t debate you so they bomb you and lie about you

They can’t name one thing he did wrong that isn’t western propaganda to this day
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If you were just told his ideas without any context you'd think he was some type of nazi

CIA plant that murdered anyone with glasses and condoned Cambodians grinding up Hmong people's bones to make medicine

>>2680754
Actually the US bombed Cambodia again after the war, during the Mayaguez incident

Pol pot was a CIA plant

>>2698777
He was after the Vietnam invasion of Cambodia. I remember watching some rare east German documentary about how the Pol Pot clique stole the coup from the Vietnam/Russia align clique.



 

🇨🇳🇺🇲🇪🇺 A thread for all-things multipolaroidistical 🇷🇺🇮🇳🇮🇷
Pioneer's edition
In spite of the seething of many supposedly 'leftist comrades', America's unipolar dominance is weakening every day and we move ever closer into a multipolar world. It is clear to any good faith communist that a multipolar world just means that: transitioning from American unipolarity to multipolarity, and that does not automatically mean the expansion and consolidation of socialism. The latter gains more opportunities in this new state of affairs, but nothing is given on a silver platter - communists still have to seize the day. If we make the mistake of thinking multipolarity is socialism, we might as well end up with a multiple poles of fascism and reaction. This is understood by communists, real ones, not agents of NATO clad in 'red aesthetics'. The latter strawman the 'multipolarity=communism' nonsense precisely to then dismantle it and thus ridicule and 'defeat' multipolaristas, doing the work of the NATO Moloch.
'''Multipolaristas, let this thread be a place where all developments concerning the advent of multipolarity is posted and compiled.

https://emmanueltodd.substack.com/p/diverging-populisms :: Diverging populisms, Emmanuel Todd

https://youtu.be/UMgkvvu_pnU :: West's Failure to Adjust to a Multipolar World, John Mearsheimer

https://youtu.be/US7oycLV5ZE :: Avec le PRCF, Rencontre Internationale, faire front anti impérialiste pour la paix et la liberté, Pôle de Renaissance Communiste en France
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>>2697187
>unsourced, cropped xitter post
ppl like you should be shot

>>2697323
malding

>>2613608
>China doesn't have border disputes with Russia anymore.
WATCH, REVISIONIST, WATCH
(10:10)
During the era of "Unequal Treaties" Russia annexed a territory of around 1 million km² in North Eastern China. A territory that is five times bigger than Belarus.

(16:31)
Lenin's government declared null and void all treaties tsarist imperialists concluded with China

Why should I care that Yeltsin made a deal with dengists? The territory is rightfully Chinese.

RUSSIA BLAMES PALESTINIANS FOR THEIR OPPRESSION!!!

>Lavrov points out Palestinians’ historic ‘mistake’

>The rejection of the 1947 partition plan left the Arab population without a state, the Russian foreign minister has said

The Palestinians’ rejection of the 1947 UN partition plan was “a mistake,” but that’s not what children are taught in schools today, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Tuesday.

The 1948 Arab-Israeli war signified a missed opportunity to create a Palestinian state and stabilize the Middle East, the diplomat told Al Arabiya.

“Three or four generations of Arab children came and went over this 80-year period. When they go to school… their teachers talk about Palestine’s history and… They probably omit the fact that the Palestinians made a mistake by refusing to create their own state in 1948,” he noted.

What children learn is how their people’s rights were ignored in recent decades, Lavrov added. In discussions with Russia, Israeli officials dismiss those grievances as insufficient to justify extremism.

“Probably not. Extremism knows no justification, but addressing the root causes is an imperative,” he said. Without a Palestinian state as originally intended by the UN, “there will be no stability or calm [in the Middle East].”

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>>2608794
Morbid symptoms



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