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Any serious conversation about socialism has to start with something very basic systems that replace an old order cannot survive by copying it. Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets. The productive forces had already moved on. In the same way it makes little sense to claim we are building something beyond capitalism while keeping markets competition profit logic and wage dependence at the center of everything. Calling it market socialism or state capitalism does not magically turn it into a new mode of production. If the underlying structure of accumulation and market compulsion stays intact then what you have is capitalism with new management. Socialism has to mean a real transformation in how production is organized and how surplus is distributed otherwise it is just nostalgia dressed up as innovation and history is not kind to systems that refuse to evolve beyond their time.

Understanding the transition from feudalism to capitalism requires examining how each system organizes production, class relations, and the extraction of surplus. The feudal mode of production was structured around landownership, hereditary hierarchy, and obligations enforced through direct social and political coercion. In contrast, the capitalist mode of production is based on private ownership of capital, wage labor, and market exchange as the central mechanism of economic coordination. By comparing these two systems, we can see not only how economic structures changed, but also how power, freedom, and class relations were fundamentally reorganized in the shift from medieval to modern society.

Here are the core characteristics of the feudal mode of production:

>1. Land is the central means of production

Wealth doesn’t primarily come from trade or industry, it comes from land. Whoever controls land controls power.

>2. Lords own the land, peasants work it

The ruling class (lords, nobles) legally controls the land. Peasants (often serfs) work that land to survive.

>3. Surplus is extracted through extra-economic coercion

This is key. The lord doesn’t pay wages. Instead, peasants are obligated to give part of their harvest, labor time, or services. This obligation is enforced by tradition, law, and force, not by a labor contract like in capitalism.
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It’s not even relevant because the ecological destruction capitalism is causing will make both itself and a transition to socialism (whatever that means) impossible anyway, the only way forward is a return to feudalism or primitive communism

>>2683687
>Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets.

They did though. That's how there were European aristos with real power well into the 20th century. Capitalists were acquiring titles for a long time to legitimize themselves (marrying into a family or buying it).

>capitalism develops centralized nation-states


Feudalism was already doing this although I guess you could call the transition proto-capitalism depends on what time period you're talking about.

You are correct. But industrial communism just seems so unimaginable and far away. How could it develop from within capitalism? What does the transitional period looks like? Is it even comparable to feudalism transitioning into capitalism? Cause they are both class systems.

>>2683687
>Feudal rulers could not just rebrand themselves and hope to compete in a world shaped by industry and markets.

Except that's what happened in Japan. Instead of having a bourgeois revolution they had a managed transition out of feudalism by the portion of the feudal ruling class who were modernizers.

< The Japanese elite knew their country to be one among many confronted by the dangers of conquest or subjection which they had faced in the course of a long history […] what is perhaps more important, the Japanese elite possessed a state apparatus and a social structure capable of controlling the movement of an entire society. To transform a country from above without risking either passive resistance, disintegration, or revolution is extremely difficult. The Japanese rulers were in the historically exceptional position of being able to mobilise a traditional mechanism of social obedience for the purposes of a sudden, radical, but controlled 'westernisation' […] the 'Meiji Restoration' […] a drastic 'revolution from above' […] The parallelism between Japan and Prussia has often been made. In both countries capitalism was formally installed not by bourgeois revolution [against feudal lords] but from above, by an old [feudal] bureaucratic-aristocratic order which recognised that its survival could not otherwise be assured.

Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Capital (1848-1875), Chapter 8

Now consider: the transition from primitive communism to slavery, and from slavery to serfdom was neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. To me, the idea that modes of production ALWAYS transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical. What history shows is that modes of production do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to particular material conditions.



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THOUSANDS DEAD

Inter-lumpen war - oddation

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>>2649208 (unachievad)

Internationalist Voice (Iranian) analysis of the protests (Jan. 4-19):

>Leftists and the Mujahedin claim that monarchists are attempting to influence the protests in favour of “Reza Pahlavi”[7] by adding audio to video clips, or that this role is being played by the Islamic bourgeoisie itself, which is confident in the harmlessness of the monarchist opposition. In other words, they argue that the promotion of monarchist demands within the protests is either meaningless or marginal. This claim is partly correct, but it does not capture the full reality.


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>>2683872
look how much damage these freaks have done to places like latin america.

>>2670901
Don't think the U.S. really wants a war because Iran has a lot more ballistic missiles within range of U.S. bases than it does the bigger ones which can reach Israel, and there just isn't enough air defense. The U.S. fired off something like 1/4 of its THAAD interceptor stockpile in the last round.

>>2683872
>he isn't aware of the cancer that are evangelicals

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>>2683913
Iranian missiles killed whooping three (3) USA troops in the past decade, which includes ultra super serious operations like Qatar bombing and Soleimani retaliation.

Anyway the real reason the US doesn't want to overthrow the IRGC (yet) because it is the perfect attack dog for capitalists to subdue workers in the region. The US didn't fire a single bullet to defend its oil contractors in Iraq for the past decade because militias are there to do that job for them. Same with IMF austerity in Lebanon and its guardian Hezbollah.

is this still hapening i thot the protest was over last month



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you can just cancel debt and then expropriate expropriators. money is not real. bourgeois economics is fake.
>Bolshevik revolutionaries overthrew the government on October 24, 1917, subsequently creating the Soviet government. The amounts of payments in default were enormous.[3] Russian debt to Great Britain alone at the end of World War I was estimated at between 538 and 568 million pounds. The amount of debt to France was estimated at 3,573 million francs and Russian foreign debt to Japan equaled 147 million dollars.[citation needed]
The debt repudiation
>On February 8, 1918, the Soviet government repudiated all bonds issued by the Tsarist government when the Soviet of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR) cancelled all previously issued Russian government debt. It stopped payment on foreign debt at the beginning of 1918 and declared that all debts contracted by the Russian Empire were cancelled, as well as the debts contracted by the Russian Provisional Government, so that the war could be continued from February to November 1917.[citation needed]
>At the same time, the Soviets decided to expropriate all assets of foreign nations in Russia. The Soviets also nationalized banks, lands, and industries. By repudiating the external debt, the Soviet government implemented the Petrograd Soviet’s decision of 1905.[4]
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>>2661889
They guys who won WW2 genocided the Boleshivks and collaborated with the west

Broooooooo contracts aren't real broooo. You can just hit the blunt and change your mind at any moment knomsayn.

>>2661260
Wait to hear the mfs that want to pay China debt LMAO

>>2662061
Funny cause including Stalin isn't wrong

>>2661260
debts are real to the extent that the creditor can enforce payment



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Today is the start of WW3 according to the Epstein files and it's going to be nuclear. Say something nice about WW3!

In any case, it was nice posting with you faggots!

See you in the trenches!

Yes, anon, it's too late to get your drone operator license. You will be running away from them instead of flying them
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The State Department told American citizens to "leave Iran now" on Feb. 6, as negotiators for both countries met in Oman amid President Donald Trump's recent threats of military action.
"U.S. citizens should expect continued internet outages, plan alternative means of communication, and, if safe to do so, consider departing Iran by land" to either Armenia or Turkey, according to the Feb. 6 notice.
"Leave Iran now. Have a plan for departing Iran that does not rely on U.S. government help," the notice warned.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/02/06/americans-warning-leave-iran-now/88545097007/

1 more day bros

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Habedig


they changed it to 2028



 

Have there been any studies done deconstructing the left-to-right ("Saul-to-Paul") political conversion narrative that the right-wing loves to throw around?

I'm talking about people like former CPUSA members who turned state like Whittaker Chambers, Bella Dodd, and Louis Budenz; neocons like Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and David Horowitz (rest in piss); or contemporary "conversion" stories like those of Abby Johnson. I'm obviously talking about Americans here but I'm sure you can name plenty of examples from other countries. What psychological factors cause someone to abandon leftism and fully embrace the right, and even worse, turn on their former comrades?

Is it simply the case that they upheld leftism as a dogma, so when their "god" died they found another god? Is it because they were always authoritarian assholes and embraced the right when the right gave them a better outlet for being authoritarian assholes? Was it because they found that the left was moving in a direction they didn't approve of, so they gradually became rightist? Or, using the narrative they themselves most often parrot, they felt "betrayed" by the left so in turn they betrayed the left?

Also, why do we rarely see any prominent right-wingers turning to the left?
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There’s no money in the left . But being a right wing grifter makes you a millionaire In a few years . Capitalists will throw money at you in massive donations . This is America it’s about business here

>>2652722
Chloe Cold detransitioned after she was diagnosed with autism and is now on a right-wing crusade to ban gender-affirming care for trans teens.

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We don’t see anyone going to the left but liberals because as a 40 year communist.. the left fucking sucks ass and is dead in the water nobody wants to fight for petit bourgeois workers who choose fascism over whatever the left offers 100% of the time. Neoliberalism has defeated the left for now . We can’t seize any means because our means in the imperial core are in china and Mexico . All we do here is collect their surplus labor labor and delude our selves to think people will accept our outdated ideas of the 1930s like anarchism and 70s idipol crap . Just hope for collapse and new ideas will arises and the left will meet the moment

>>2684651
If you support long lived social structures e.g. how lindy it is then you should be a monarchist or anprim.



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Epstein and Maxwell manipulated 4chan and Reddit respectively in order to fuel both sides of the "culture wars". Now they're fueling it once again in order to distract from the revelations that were in the files.
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>>2684529
>Forcing the proletarization of the borderline lumpen.
How is that hitlerian.

>>2684537
>Forcing the proletarization of the borderline lumpen.

So he gave them jobs? Or are you just memeing?

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Epstien created the modern left and its ideology


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>>2684644
>email sent in 2012
>occupy was in 2011

Holy shit you /pol/yps are DESPERATE



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The people who call all political opponents jewish influence ("judeo bolshevism") turned out to be just that after the release of the most recent epstein files.

>>2683464
>judeo-bolshevism
except it's judeo-fascism, lol

Every accusation is a confession.

>>2683464
And? So?

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Naw it’s just Zionism and fascism



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Western leftists of all varieties are larpers. Armed struggle will not come from the college campus.

>>2660968
Burgerland gold chimp

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How did the 6 hour general strike go ? Did it stop fascism ? How did the student walk out for own day gi did it stop fascism is fascism gone because some lazy burgers did a symbolic act

>>2683536
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>>2684655
Bumped 20 day old thread award

US empire is the only possibility



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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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>>2682159
true true, that being said going from the feudal mode of production to the capitalist mode across the globe was still alot longer than 150 years

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>insatiable urge to grill burgers.
<fast food
<consume
<media
<vidya
<spooks
<etc.
How do I escape the urge to grill burgers, and just interact with people like a normal human being. As an autistic NEET it seems like there's just nothing to relate to. What do burgers even do that's sympathizable? This is a serious question.

how to maximise chances of Total Russian Death?

What's the deal with fungi?

>>2684465
You can cook it without oil, because it contains enough water already.



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Epstien was behind occupy Wall Street . Here in this email he talks about the terms to spread 1% vs the 99% percent . How much if the modern left is 100% Mossad including lefty pol
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>>2684437
>2012
retardbro…

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>>2684437
Occupy was 2011 dude. That email is dated from 2012.

>>2684437
>>2684437
>Here in this email he talks about the terms to spread 1% vs the 99% percent

lol is this email the only mention of it? because i cannot infer anything from this image alone and i dont think you can either


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