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Explain to me why I shouldn't be schizo about George De Mohrenschildt. This guy was an anti-communist Russian white army emigre who had property seized by the soviets. He fled to the United States. He became a big player in the community of Russian emigres. He became friends with George HW Bush back when he was a lowly CIA agent and son of Prescott Bush, a senator/banker who took part in the failed Business Plot against FDR. This guy meets Lee Harvey Oswald, who is allegedly a communist, and takes him and his newly arrived Russian wife under his wing. Gets him a job at book depository. Now this Lee Harvey Oswald is a weirdo. He immigrated to the USSR, for only a few months, then moved back to the USA. But in the time he was in the USSR he found a wife. Not just any wife but the niece of one Ilya Prusakov, who was a colonel in the Byelorussian SSR's Ministry of Internal Affairs. She lived with her uncle and was close to him when she met Oswald and decided to marry him and move to the USA. So this supposedly loner type weirdo who goes on to "shoot" JFK manages to bag himself a soviet wife who is related to a prominent official in just a few months… OK…. sure…. then this guy who spent the entire 1950s in the military telling anyone with two ears that he was the biggest commie alive, at the height of McCarthyism, with zero consequences, comes back to the US, and immediately makes a prominent anti-communist friend who himself has friends in the CIA… wow, ok, sure…. then on top of that, Oswald gets a job from this guy, at the very place where he will later be framed for shooting JFK.

Then this guy, De Mohrenschildt, he goes on to write George HW Bush a letter in the 1970s, over a decade later, saying, basically, "hey old buddy old pal, my house is bugged, please get these people to leave me alone, I think I fucked up and talked too much about Oswald" and fucking commits """suicide""" by shotgun less than 1 year later… George HW Bush confirms on an official CIA document that he knows this guy and the handwritten letter is literally preserved as a scan.

Meanwhile, outside of De Mohrenschildt's apartment when De Mohrenschildt commits """suicide""" is none other than FUCKING BILL O REILLY of future fox news fame. Bill O Reilly claims for years that was knocking on De Mohrenschildt's door for an interview when he heard the man kill himselPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2686635
He has no point.

>>2686165
yeah but dont stop at just one guy, consider how americans were invested in ukrainian petroleum before the soviet rev and how many white russians moved to texas including ayn rand

>>2686192
>How the fuck is real life a Thomas Pynchon Novel
its the other way around pynchon is a documentarian who changes names and places to get thru the censors

>>2686909
yeah there were a ton of anticommunist white-russian emigres, but only one of them was the lynchpin of the conspiracy to kill JFK, linking several otherwise seemingly unrelated and random elements.

>>2686192
>>2686195
>>2686912
You know Pynchon wrote Inherent Vice the same year as Euromaidan. Even though it takes place in the 60s it has a Jewish crime boss who uses the Aryan Brotherhood as his bodyguards…. Zelensky? Is that you?



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Smoke A Super Bowl Edition


💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2686882
not really

>>2686879
>Can't get food stamps without an address, can't get an address without wages, wages don't pay enough to pay rent, can't use a motel as an address.
idk this sounds like lies. the mass tor baiter told my you live in a mansion and get free stuff when no job.

>>2686927
He hasnt couped enough latin american goverments this week

>>2686720
holy shit that first guy is insufferable wtf

>>2686720
Also why is singing in a choir good? That seems like some real asshattery, cringe as fuck, is that what second worldism is? Communism by power of cringe?



 

Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.

The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries. The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.



 

Mine is Bill Clinton.
>let people get slaughtered at the LA riots while the National Guard did nothing
>killed a man's 14 year old son and wife as she held her baby in her arms after feds targeted the man's house when US marshals lured the man's family dog out on the lawn so they could shoot it, but it backfired after they killed it and the family friend (Kevin Harris) fired back, killing US marshal Degan (rest in piss)
>killed 88 people in the Waco siege when feds besieged a church (which the media erroneously referred to as "a compound"), including men, women, children, the elderly and four of their own agents they killed to blame the Branch Davidians (you can clearly see an officer shoot himself in the leg while climbing up the steps to the roof while another three got killed inside from shots coming from outside the house that you can clearly see didn't come from within the building because you can see bulletholes in the roof from an armed attack helicopter. Federal agents and marshals posed with the rubble over the children they just burned alivs, tortured via sleep deprivation and bright floodlights for months.
>invaded Kosovo and ethnically cleansed Serbs for the Albanian terrorists (KOSOVO JE SRBIJA!)
>passed the AWB (Assault weapons Ban) in 1994, which really solidified everything wrong with this cocksucker of a president.
>passed the first federal sex offender registry laws… even though he took flights to Epstein island
>passed anti-black crime bills that used overpolicing as a tactic to reduce the crime problem
Fuck. This. Cocksucker. And Lyndon Baines Johnson is burning in hell right now.
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>>2684730
Wow this shit got my eyes wide open

>>2684581
first place: andrew johnson
second place: trump
third place: reagan

>>2686217
Trump is top 5 because hes crashing USA with no survivors.

Woodrow Wilson sucked a fat dick

william mckinley:
>massive promoter of manifest destiny
>promised to get america an empire
>took over hawaii
>took over most of spain's territories promising independence to the people but kept the colonies under a tighter control than the spanish, even now purto rico is still a territory
>is heavily looked up to by donald trump and is pretty much the only president trump has quoted



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Take this hypothetical scenario wherein
>All anti-communist propaganda is completely erased in the West
>A very balanced history is being taught in all Western schools on 20th century history
>Teaching Marx becomes acceptable and even somewhat popular in universities, especially for econ and history students
>All Westoid secret agencies stop infiltrating, oppressing, manipulating lefty parties
>Etc. - the point is that the political environment becomes completely fair
In such a scenario a communist movement would still not materilize in the West, reformist unionism would become more popular likely, but that's pretty much it if you think that it is still in the material interest of the labor aristocracy to conserve the current world order.

I'm very tempted to think that people who think otherwise are either completely idealist ("being able to tell the truth would alter cass interests") or conspiratorial ("we don't have communism because the CIA".)

I consider my position to be common sense, but feel free to attempt to change my mind.

>suppose there was imperialism without the consequences of imperialism
Yeah no I don't think I will. That's the crux of your take. Suppose there were a world, without the consequences of imperialism, but that there also was imperialism. The two don't go together. The situation you describe is somewhat parallel to what was going on in Germany in the 1910s with the SPD, and it still split up and there were even attempts at revolution. I'm inclined to believe, if there was a large legal/illegal pre-WW1 SPD-like organization in America and if it was crisis/revolution - then there would be some attempting an uprising.

You are retarded OP

>>2686639
You are rather conservative in your estimation and I like that. In any case, yeah, it's a push the magic button *poof* scenario that is however intended to highlight a point. For sure, within years everything would revert back to how it was, if not worse, to compensate for the damage to the system.

But you see, we are having an interesting discussion.

>>2686642
My life is shattered.



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Recent news:
SDF rejects the agreement and vows that they'd fight.
Prison break in Shaddad, freeing ~1000 ISIS veterans.
Aqtan prison (which houses ISIS members) north of Raqqa gets besieged.
Clashes in Kobani & Hasakah countrysides.
Breach in Al-Hol camp, which is now mostly emptied.
New agreement signed by both the STG & SDF.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
t.me/Suriyak_maps - Posts maps/latest news. Less prone to hype/hysteria but slower.
https://nitter.poast.org/SAMSyria0 - Local Syrian army soldier. Used to post in Arabic. (Account deleted. RIP)
https://nitter.poast.org/bosni94
https://nitter.poast.org/Sy_intelligence
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>>2683457 (me)
Also the SDF didn't keep tens of thousands of arab civilians in sex-segregated concentration camps for the better part of a decade with no legal justification. At the behest of NATO.

They were dangerous ISIS prisoners of war, foreigners, awaiting transportation to third countries and the locals love the Kurdish new government and would never join ISIS to get rid of their occupation new administration.

throwback to the time in and around May 2024 when the media talked about HTS as if it was a second Assad regime, using torture prisons, eliminating political rivals, authoritarian governing etc and made it seem like the Northwest was about to fall into a civil war of its own.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-hts-security-campaign-northwest-abuses-protests
https://www.dw.com/de/kampf-f%C3%BCr-freiheit-aufstand-gegen-die-islamisten-in-idlib/a-69164626
I am 110% sure the article that I remembered (but didn't find) even wrote something like that the images on Idlib's strets were similar to what happened before the Syrian civil war against Assad started more than a decade ago, and it's so weird because at the time back in May, things were looking like Assad had for the most part won the civil war, re-attending the Arab league, European leaders considering cooperation with Syria again just to deport migrants etc etc.
It's honestly so weird, how the media echo'd this but then the second the December offensive started and went surprisingly better than expected, suddenly the sentiment completely changed and suddenly he went from authoritarian islamist to neoliberal savior with a rough past.

I can only hope that Syria will stay united and thrive and I think a lot of Syrians give Jolani some starting sympathy just for the fact that he's been able to almost full reconquer all of Syria. But if his governing style won't be a Assad 2.0 is yet to be seen, and if his previous governing of Idlib is anything to be taken into account for, then things aren't looking great. Honestly, the second the election starts and he gets less than 50% of the vote share, that's when the civil war restarts again, since the drafted constitution will give him 1/3 of the parliament seats in the first election, UNELECTED. and then he would still have an absolute majority despite losing the election.

>>2683681
>I am 110% sure the article that I remembered (but didn't find) even wrote something like that the images on Idlib's strets were similar to what happened before the Syrian civil war against Assad started more than a decade ago,
Try New Arab, I think I remember them doing a lot of stories on Idlib.

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YPJ Command pays a visit to the Governor of Hesekê
The Women's Defense Units (YPJ) Command visited the Governor of Hesekê, Nûredîn Îsa Ehmed, at his office in the city. During the visit, the YPJ Command congratulated Governor Ehmed on his appointment.

The visit included YPJ General Command members Rohilat Efrîn and Viyan Adar, YPJ Spokesperson Rûksan Mihemed, and a group of YPJ fighters.

During the meeting, the YPJ Command stated that Hesekê Governor Nûredîn Îsa Ehmed would play an important role in providing services to the people of the region, promoting security and stability, and strengthening civil peace.

Isa Ahmed thanked the YPJ delegation for their visit and emphasized the importance of cooperation and coordination between institutions and relevant parties in strengthening stability and security.

Transitional government forces bombed Suweida.
The Suwayda National Defense Forces announced in a statement that groups affiliated with the Interim Government of Damascus targeted the western part of the city with four mortar rounds.

The statement noted that the groups were randomly shelling civilian areas, adding, "These attacks are a dangerous violation that endangers the lives and safety of civilians."

The Suwayda National Defense Forces recently announced that, as part of their mission to protect civilians and prevent chaos, they will intervene at the sources of the attacks.

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Strikes and protests are growing in Idlib.
A teachers' strike in Jisr al-Shiqour district of Idlib province in northern Syria has expanded to include 113 schools. The teachers, demanding a salary increase to reflect rising living costs, warned that failure to meet their demands could severely disrupt the education process.

On the other hand, the local population also organized mass protests against the lack of basic services such as electricity, water, and roads. The demonstrators called on the interim government in Damascus to fulfill its responsibilities, demanding that the problems be resolved and that those responsible be held accountable.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) has warned that the ongoing strikes and protests could negatively impact the right to education of thousands of children, and that the current situation could further deepen social problems.

The people of Rojava have organized themselves to defend the achievements of the revolution.
The people of Rojava are organizing themselves, within the framework of the general mobilization announced on January 18, with the aim of protecting the gains of the revolution in Cizre and Kobanê..

In response to the general mobilization, various sections of Rojava society, organizations, institutions, and individuals have formed defense committees and battalions in neighborhoods, villages, towns, and cities in order to organize themselves according to the demands of the current phase..

The people of Rojava welcomed the refugees from Shahba and Afrin who lived in the city of Tabqa, as well as the refugees from Tabqa, Raqqa, Shaddad and Deir ez-Zor who were forced to flee due to the attacks of the Syrian Interim Government groups. Schools, mosques, institutions and public halls were prepared as shelters for the refugees..

The number of displaced people in the Cizre region has reached nearly 350,000 people and in the city of Kobanê it has exceeded 200,000 people..
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I'm looking for some really lame super pragmatic minimal market socialism for the sake of giving imagination-gap terminally reform-brained normies a concrete thing they can work with.

Specifically I was looking for something which while maintaining distributed capital markets also gets rid of rewards for nonproductive actors. I didn't exactly find this, but I did find Roerner's Equal Shares proposal this follows:

>Every adult citizen would receive from the state treasury an equal endowment of coupons, that can be used only to purchase shares of mutual funds. Only coupons can be used to purchase shares of mutual funds, not money. Only mutual funds can purchase shares of public firms, using coupons. Prices of corporate shares and mutual funds are, hence, denominated in coupons; they will oscillate depending on the supply and demand for shares. Citizens are free to sell their mutual-fund shares for coupons, and to reinvest the coupons in other mutual funds. Finally, firms may exchange coupons with the state treasury for investment funds, and may purchase coupons from the treasury with money. This is the only point at which coupons exchange for money. These investment funds play the role of equity in the firm. (p. 20)


>A share of a firm entitles the owning mutual fund to a share of the firm's profits, and a share of a mutual fund entitles the owning citizen to a share of the mutual fund's revenues. When a citizen dies, his mutual fund shares must be sold and the coupon revenues are returned to the state treasury. The treasury in turn issues coupon endowments to citizens reaching the age of majority. (p. 20)


Anyway this proposal seemed to get reasonably close to what I was "looking for". I'm still not sure however if it's productive to advertise this sort of thing to others. Is it a useful strategy to build these sort of concrete programs. Further about this plan in particular is it really what anyone is after? Is there an effective even more reform minded solution that still removes rewards for unproductive actors - or at least as this one does makes such rewards equal?
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Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:

(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.

(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.

(iii) Confiscation of the possessions of all emigrants and rebels against the majority of the people.

(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.

(v) An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

(vi) Centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with state capital, and the suppression of all private banks and bankers.

(vii) Increase in the number of national factories, workshops, railroads, ships; bringing new lands into cultivation and improvement of land already under cultivation – all in proportion to the growth of the capital and labor force at the disposal of the nation.
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1.Changes in organic composition of capital means that manufacturing share of labour will no longer absorb a huge amount of workers. You can't just deploy workers in a factory anymore, with how complicated and automated shit are nowadays. However I can see on-demand labour deployment in agriculture or services, India and China already do this, however this means that difference between productive capital and rent extraction becomes nul since there are no moe productive, industrial capital.
2.>state owned enterprises competing with private enterprise at low surplus margins and with low managerial salaries
This is my second biggest problem. Everything you said here, from implementation of labour vouchers to universal compulsory education to concentration of capital required an enormous, massive and powerful managerial bureaucracy, which you will need to pay and train significantly more than the average proles. You want to have your cake and eat it too; a state that needs massive managerial bureaucracy but also one without a nomenklatura. This is not gonna happen, because bureaucratic work by its nature is specialized.
3. >Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.
>cap hours allowed to be worked per week and implement more robust welfare
My third biggest problem. Having full employment will result in a massive demand increase. Since we control capital we can prevent inflationary pressure on the currency equivalent but we will still be left with a skyrocketing demand for consumer and industrial goods. Unless you want to face goods shortage you have to crank up working hours instead of reducing them. Again a case of having your cake and eat it too.
However, this is already a step in the right direction. We need labour creation and mobilization program. And we need a massive, well paid bureaucracy to do that. The rest of your platform just need some moderation

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>>2639546
Dengism

>>2652538
Nah, it's fine. Most of the non-cyclical and nin-habbening threads here are shit tier bait.

>>2652538
No, honestly it's fine, better than most the pure dogshit of the catalogue recently.
>>2686335
>cyclical and habbening threads
You lot barely post in them, instead preferring to learn nothing and endlessly bicker in whatever batch of nonsense threads, usually downstream of this weeks twitter engagement-slop.



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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American thread with American-tier posts.

>>2649389
>full of contradictions
such as? locke's concept of property as being based in mixing labour and nature is the same basis from which marx proceeds:
<Private property is first considered only in its objective aspect – but nevertheless with labour as its essence.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm
with justice equally being based in the right one possesses in his legitimate property, as marx further agrees with:
<This sphere that we are deserting, within whose boundaries the sale and purchase of labour-power goes on, is in fact a very Eden of the innate rights of man. There alone rule Freedom, Equality, Property and Bentham.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm
<There is here, therefore, an antinomy, right against right, both equally bearing the seal of the law of exchanges.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm
this "bourgeois right", marx extends down to the primary phase of communist society:
<Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it […] Hence, equal right here is still in principle – bourgeois right
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
>It heavily inspired the French Revolution with their slogan of "liberty, equality, and fraternity"
locke's contributions in terms of slogans is more relevant to "life, liberty and the pursuit of property", equally appreciated by jean-jacques rousseau and thomas jefferson in the french and american revolutions, with the declaration of independence also highlighting the "consent of the governed", a notion of a "social contract", thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2649413
i would suggest you read "brave new world" (1932)

>>2649413
>What to do with the remaining 95%?
They waste time consuming AI entertainment.

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>>2524229
U weren’t a kang



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>leftypol: uwu we need to be careful not to spread antisemitism (which is uniquely evil and just another form of ethnic hatred) when attacking zionists and we need to be careful when addressimg the bourgeoisie
>also not all pedos are bad!!
<literal liberal wine moms: kill all bourgeois pedo zionists, proletarian dictatorship NOW
why the difference?
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(((leftypol))) is a neocon board

>literal liberal wine moms: uwu we need to be careful not to spread antisemitism (which is uniquely evil and just another form of ethnic hatred) when attacking zionists and we need to be careful when addressimg the bourgeoisie
>also not all pedos are bad!!
<redditor libs: kill all bourgeois pedo zionists, proletarian dictatorship NOW

FTFY

Antisemitism is the only form of bigotry that should be allowed on all websites.

>also not all pedos are bad!!
Where has anybody ever said this?

antisemitism is an excuse to deny oneself a comprehensive analysis of society, as lenin tells us.



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You know, I came to the conclusion Zionism cannot have any kind of materialist explanation, because it's not capitalism or whatever, it's simply a cult that must dismantled by humanity together.

Trying to understand Zionism as anything other than a cult will result in failure.
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Also I will always make the point that Judaism is NOT an Ethno-religion. This is just bullshit made up by Zionists and holds up to zero scrutiny whatsoever.
Judaism wasn't ethnic based in classical times.
Judaism was never ethnic based in medieval times (different Jewish ethnic groups existed from Ethiopians to Chinese to Ashkenazi)
"Jew" in European context = Ashkenazi.
Israel itself in pracitce doesn't view it as a ethno-religion. There is a real heirarchy of ethnicities in Israel with Ashkenazi being the top, Mizrahi trailing far behind, and groups like Ethiopian, Kaifeng etc basically considered LARPers. (despite Ethiopian Jews being arguably one of the earliest and unbroken Jewish groups)
Even the Nazis didn't target all Jews as a ethnicity, but Ashkenazi, other Jewish groups were largely ignored showing even more Jew = Ashkenazi.
If you believe Judaism is a ethnicity due to cultural practice, not all Jews have the same cultural practice (even among ashkenazi, russian saboteur comes from a Western jewish insult against Russian/Eastern European Jews) and if this were true, then if you put up a Christmas Tree surely you are Ethnically Christian. Christianity also holds all that accept Christ are of the same "nation" (ethnicity/people).
Pre-WW2 the idea Jews were all the same was seen as absurd by most Jews.
<there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries – through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race. The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they certainly do not belong to the same nation. - Edwin Montagu, arguably the most powerful Jewish political figure in the world at the time, 1917

>da joos wanting to have their own state mean they are demons from hell

>>2686248
this but unironically

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>>2686248
>poor little jews just want their own state which is why every western politician needs to be bribed by Israel, why we need to send them billions every year, fight their wars, and arm them to the teeth, oh and we need antisemitism laws to stop you talking about any of that. If you disagree with any of this you're just an antisemite

>>2686258
who says that on this website



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