/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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>>2803819
Class arises when some people can control resources that others depend on and make them do things they wouldn't otherwise. Immediate return hunter-gatherers have no classes because everyone can support themselves, if a capitalist tried to get them to work they'd just become another unhappy Mr. Peel. In agricultural and especially industrial society it's trivial for small numbers of people to control everything, so I'm not sure how a classless society could happen. Most proposals seem to just farm it out, e.g. let a godly AI do it. But the idea of communism is that humans control the product of their hands, not the other way around.

>>2807505
I would say that the transition from a nomadic culture to a sedentary culture by the farming of animals leads to agriculture and so the relations to land cause fixed property relations which then produces a hierarchy based in the mode of production by a division of labour. This shift from physical inequality to cognitive inequality is manifested between hunting and farming (we see this in the myth of Cain and Abel), and so knowledge (of stars, seasons and technique) become the means to attain power. Here, the priestcraft rule indefinitely afterwards. After agriculture we get metallurgy by more complex technique, and these are fashioned as farming tools, but also weapons. And so the story goes.

So class begins in sedentary cultures, where the land is fixed for a people, rather than nomadic cultures, which give no sacredness to soil.

Also, on the point of land, Marx sees capitalism begin by a process of "Primitive Accumulation", or the privatisation of land, which then evicts previous settlers and subjects them to wage labour. So the advancement of class society from its origins is effectively the advancement of the privatisation of land, with the dominion of slave labour as the concentration of labour onto land. We see in slave societies, the fact that you would be punished for trying to run away. We see Plato thus regard the householder, the slave master and the statesman as the same sort of entity, as someone who administers over the inhabitants of a territory. So then, what is class? It is the share of ownership of land, as the primary and ultimate property relation. Nomadism is antithethitical to class society, and class society is antithetical to nomadism. For the same purposes, statecraft can be regarded as the domestication of humans, like how the farmer domesticates animals.

Farming allows the creation of a surplus product (in meat and grain) which is then unevenly shared, until you have those who live on grain and others who live on meat. Grain malnourishes, but extends the life of a surplus population, which expands itself at its own cost, and the for the benefit of a minority elite of kings, warriors and priests. The furnishing of weapons allows for control over the product by the distribution of arms amongst the shared powers, and the lower ranks are even barred from entering the military, lest they learn how to fight. In the end, you stratify the species between the rich and poor. This is the direct consequence of agricultural production.

>>2807421
znakharki is the word btw

>>2807421
Which is why they can let people be gay and have abortions when there is enough people to meet the material needs of the population but have to pull that back when faced with famine.

Education leads to liberalized LGBT+ laws in general as a trend, you cant get educated if you need farm hands so you dont all die.

>>2807412
woman doctors has nothing to do with homosexuality though. abortion maybe idk

>>2807410
Stalin was also an intellectual and an atheist where is this classist shit coming from

>>2807414
>No, you are saying that there is a linear graph between communism and queerness, which is clearly false.
I am saying that they are strongly correlated, which is true. The fact the USSR failed to update its laws to reflect underlying material conditions speaks to the same underlying structural flaws that meant the USSR couldn't adapt to changing conditions and not die on its arse. (Contrast China, which adapted fine and which has a negative official line on homosexuality and nonconformism in general, but which nevertheless is full of LGBT behavior because all the basic underlying material drivers are there.)
The law influences changes in social attitudes, but it does not drive social change. As late as 1995 a majority of irreligious adults in the UK thought gay sex was always wrong despite homosexuality having been legal since the 1960s!
The changes in the 1960s came about due to increasing recognition that whether you criminalized being gay or not, some men were going to do it.

That said: liberal elites are always, everywhere, better than conservative elites. That around the world conservative elites have allowed themselves to be eaten up pandering to the actually mentally deficient tells you all you need to know about the "virtues" of conservatism.

>>2807430
Because it's not a question of rich vs poor.
A poor country with a retirement system will, all else being equal, have more exclusively homosexual men than a richer country without one. That is what this theory predicts. It is, to a high degree, independent of wealth. (Though because everything is connected to everything else, this can't be drawn too far: a rich enough country without any state retirement system will probably still have childless couples due to a reliable private retirement savings scheme. You've really got to dig around in low/middle income countries for this kind of thing.)

The liberal west is more economically developed than the DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam. China is an interesting outside case where it is more developed in some respects and less developed in others. There is no "communist" variable in the way you seem to wish there was. Cuba is governed by a communist party, and in that sense is "more communist", but it is economically underdeveloped, and is in that sense further from communism. This is obviously well above your pay-grade, but someone elPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2805655

Fair, but I feel that keeping the claims continuously avoids inconsistency in agitprop. That's all.

Instructors from class education centers across the country conducted mobile lectures at numerous units this year.
(Pyongyang, May 9, Korean Central News Agency)
Instructors from class education centers across the country have conducted mobile lecture activities to raise the class consciousness of the masses in over 6,400 units since the beginning of this year.
The commentary and propaganda performances conducted by instructors from the Central Class Education Center at the Heuryeong Coal Mine of the Kangdong District Coal Mine Complex instilled in the miners the stern truth that a bloody settlement with the enemies must be made.

At the Chollima Steel Complex, the Kumsong Tractor Factory, and other locations, instructors from the Susan-ri Class Education Center distributed intuitive propaganda materials on class education topics and conducted class education lectures that combined appealing songs and poems.
While listening to the traveling lectures by instructors from the Sinchon Class Education Center and the South Hwanghae Class Education Center, agricultural workers at Wonam Farm in Sinchon County, Yeonyang Farm in Haeju City, and others were filled with unwavering confidence in victory the more the enemies struggled, and they sharpened their fiery enthusiasm to surely bring about the proud results of a high harvest.

The North Hamgyong Province Class Education Center conducted educational work using educational materials to instill a firm view of the main enemy and concepts of confrontation with the enemy in the new generation who had volunteered for the Fatherland Defense Post.
Officials and instructors in the class education sector, including those at the Class Education Center in Singye County, North Hwanghae Province, as well as in North Pyongan Province, Kangwon Province, and Nampo City, are conducting mobile lecture activities to prepare Party members, workers, and youth students to become vanguard fighters of the class struggle. (End)
http://www.kcna.kp/kp/article/q/65e93d8a71e2fc200437c1459d7e1508d0f07ebe26d8220ad494aa43e8acc2791947eb21f9e7ac157555ce320523fca2.kcmsfwww.kcna.kp

Participants of the 9th Congress of the General Federation of Trade Unions of KorePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2806881
accidental sagee

On Convening the 8th Congress of the Korean Socialist Women's League
The 8th Congress of the Socialist Women's Union of Korea will be held in Pyongyang in mid-July 2026.

The 15th Plenary Meeting of the 7th Central Committee of the Socialist Women's Union of Korea decided to convene the 8th Congress of the Socialist Women 's Union of Korea in order to carry out the Union's work with greater vitality, holding high the ideology and spirit of the 9th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea as the banner of struggle and progress.

This congress will serve as a turning point to firmly uphold the traditions of fidelity and patriotism of the Korean women's movement, prepare all Women's League officials and members to become true female revolutionaries, ardent patriotic women, and communist mothers, and bring about new improvements in the League's work. (End)
http://www.kcna.kp/kp/article/q/65e93d8a71e2fc200437c1459d7e1508d0f07ebe26d8220ad494aa43e8acc2795db581fd7fdfd11ef7dd80ded99b734b.kcmsf

Gangwon Design Research Institute Launches Full-Scale Design Projects for Implementing the Party's Local Development Policy
The Gangwon Design Research Institute is actively carrying out design work to implement the Party's regional development policies.

The designers responsible for the design of the renovation and modernization project of the Ryongdam Cement Plant joined forces with the plant's engineers and workers to come up with a practical design that could expand the clinker production area and enhance the capacity of the cranes, thereby contributing to the overall execution of the project.
The research institute introduced a 5D design program to complete the design of the Wonsan Stadium, which is being renovated and modernized, and completed the design that can contribute to improving the material and cultural living standards of the people, including commercial service networks and indoor water parks.

The workers and designers here have gone down to the Cheonnae District coal mine and are deliberating on the most optimal housing design that ensures perfect harmony between the buildings and the surrounding environment, while also promoting the convenience of the miners' daily lPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Just wait for everyone in the south to grow old and die, they’re not having kids anyway

>>2802294
The Communist Party of Peru that led the People's War in the 80s and 90s and helped found the RIM doesn't meaningfully exist anymore, no. It's unclear who exactly the PCP that presently affiliates with the ICL is, but there is no indication that it is a continuation of the old Party beyond a stated commitment to Gonzalo thought and the probable inclusion of some amount of old cadre. There are additionally minor armed groups like the MPCP (Militarized "Communist" Party of Peru) which represent opportunist and eclectic splinters, most of which have descended into warlordism, operating as glorified drug cartels in the wake of the overall defeat of the People's War in a similar manner to other decayed South American People's Armies.

That said, lots of y'all should adore the MPCP and their batshit insane "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism-Xi Jinping Thought". Perfect for you idiots who love shopping around for nonsense "ideologies" all day.

>>2802358
Sendero Luminoso was never what the Party was called. It was a pejorative cooked up by the Peruvian comprador bourgeoisie to detach the Party from their politics and aims in counter-revolutionary propaganda. This was a direct reuse of the propaganda tactic the US and French used in Vietnam — consistently referring to the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam as the "Viet Cong" to avoid even alluding to the nature of the Vietnam War as a national liberation struggle against western imperialism.

>>2807130
<pejorative cooked up by the Peruvian comprador bourgeoisie
Who threw the first stone? Shining Path was used since the time of the studental debates in Huamanga to differentiate it from the other miriads of fractures of the PCP. Example:
<PCP - Unidad : Prosoviet
<PCP - Red Fatherland: Pro Moscow, one of the splinters led by Gman was named Shining Path
<PCP - Red Flag: Can't remember if they were just maoist, hoxhaist or a mix of both
They called themselves the reconstitution of the party, the others called them sectarian maoists.
https://cedoc.sisbib.unmsm.edu.pe/biblioteca-digital/coleccion-documental/
Respect to the San Marcos Uni, they digitalized a lot of it.

>>2807418
Terrible error on my part Red Fatherland was prochina party. Maoist. Who of course clashed with SP, example a leader of RF died in Cusco for triying to stop SP to take over the student body of the main university there.

>>2807130
Sendero Luminoso was literally the name of the newspaper, there were over a dozen organizations calling themselves Communist Party of Peru so to differentiate them you refer to the newspaper they published at the time, hence Red Fatherland.

Sendero Luminoso/Shining Path is a really cool name for a party

Does anyone have the Alunya Pizza Hut video.

>>2800497
>>2801102
You inspired me anon

>>2807464
it's crazy how many versions of this thragg art i've seen people make, and I've seen like 5 communist versions alone

>>2807510
it's a pretty good meme template, but I also think Ottley's art is just really fun to trace over as well

>>2806930
The anti-imperialist struggle is inseparable from following the principles of scientific socialism. Having state capitalism facilitates the socialization of the economy with the dictatorship of the proletariat. Pushing the bourgeois democratic state to its limits, leading to its collapse through class struggle, facilitates the communist cause. Failing to intensify the exploitation of workers facilitates class struggle if there is a fight for radical reforms that do not create complacency, standing in solidarity with workers worldwide and preventing capitalists from profiting and bringing chaos to the bourgeois state.

An anti-imperialist position allows various bourgeois states to develop, enabling communists to assume power. Because of the division and conflict between these capitalist states, sanctions cannot be properly applied against communists who seize power in a country during a communist revolution; therefore, a multipolar world is necessary.

Don't you understand that my position is to not tolerate finance capital co-opting the masses? A victory for finance capital does not signify a communist revolution because this depends on whether a vanguard has prepared the masses for a revolutionary situation; if sacrifices and suffering are necessary, there will be no tolerance for surrender, and traitors will be punished accordingly.

You should read the communist electoral programs in a bourgeois election before the revolution by Marx and Engels then:

<Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

<1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
<2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
<3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
<4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
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>>2806924
>Why are you doing this to me?
Because you are talking nonsense and don't really understand hismat

Leaving aside the fact that revolutions are always waged by politically motivated people, the other reason is that in order to abolish class society, there needs to be proletarian consciousness. In other words, the proletariat must reconstitute society so as to abolish itself, which implies the need for subjective political action on its part, and therefore the need to politically advocate for itself under capitalism.

The material basis for abolishing capitalist social relations was already available by the late 19th century. There was only one communist movement with the genuine goal of abolishing capitalist relations and that was the Russian Revolution, which failed in its early years due to the collapse of the international revolution and subsequent collapse of its communist party in the 1920s. There has been no other communist movement since then, from which to analyze any reasons for its failure.

>But why exactly should we "fight" for communism

Do you work for a living?

>>2806911
Prolly not but revolution is necessary wither it fails or not. Capitalism didn't fully take over as the global mode of production in till like ww1 and there's still remnants feudalsim till this day.

>>2807343
Victory day in Europe in 8th though.

>>2807354
not in any former soviet states due to time zones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_(9_May)

>>2807370
My point being >>2807343 is insinuating that Europe Day was created to supplant Victory Day, but for EU they not on the same day.

>>2804936
[antisemitic cheesecake craving intensifies]

>>2807343
half of europe ended ww2 under soviet occupation, why would they even celebrate such a calamity?

>>2806710
Gibt doch gute Leute, man muss nur gucken wo. Chenoalunabrach hat jetzt ein Video auf Youtube zur Interventionistischen Linken, weder eine Abrechnung noch Dauerwerbesendung. Fands sehr informativ. Gibt auch eine neue Folge von Kommunisten Kneipe, mal wieder mit Fabian Lehr. Thema: Wie rechtsradikal sind die Grünen?

>>2807113
War 'ne überspitzte Formulierung, natürlich gibt es auch ein paar manierliche 'Creator'.

>>2807113
Kommunistenkneipe ist ganz okay, mich stört es nur, dass die beiden, die dahinter stehen, ziemliche Spalter sind. Sind aus der DKP ausgetreten und dann zu dieser "Kommunistischen Partei" (aus der KO hervor gegangen) gegangen, die nichts anderes macht, als gegen die DKP zu schießen.

>>2807157
Das Problem tritt immer dann auf, wenn ein "Creator" zu groß wird. Dann entwickeln sich gewisse Eigendynamiken und Zwänge, denen du nicht entkommen kannst, gerade wenn du Content produzierst, der nicht mit der FDGO so 100% vereinbar ist. Bei den Anglos respektiere ich Leute wie BadEmpanada und Hakim dafür, dass sie trotz ihrer Größe einigermaßen ihren Kurs halten (ohne dass ich alledem zustimmen würde, was die so produzieren).

>>2806670
Was ist das denn für eine Frage?

Wenn man Marxfan ist, alle Bände von Das Kapital im Schlaf aufsagen kann und den Gegenstandpunkt sehr wohlwollend liest und immer wenn es holprig wird in Gedanken wieder ganz bei Marx ist, dann findet man Gegenstandpunkt auch gut. (Man lernt allerdings auch nichts dazu.) Wenn man viel Marx gelesen hat und sehr pingelig ist, findet man beim Gegenstandpunkt lauter wirres Zeug:
https://simonhegelich.substack.com/p/kritik-der-konkurrenz-der-kapitalisten
Wirres findet man auch bei den besten Marxkennern, wenn die schnell und aus dem Stregreif was erklären müssen. Aber dass sowas im Druck erscheint ist eine Katastrophe.

>>2803326
it's gonna be hard to top the sheer retardation emanating from this post

>>2806071
Read Dialectics of Nature.

>>2803326
pre-socratic philosophers were materialists

>>2807341
Yep, and Plato also calls Homer a materialist. Epicurus after the Academics was an atomist, and the Stoic materialists came to dominate Rome. Only with the rise of Christianity from the first century CE do we see a revival of the old idealism, until it comes to colonise Europe, terrorising all of the old Pagan folk lifestyle. Idealism has always been a minority position of priests.

>>2803359
List goes on to the theories of Karl Marx, eat your heart out.

>>2806781
because animals are as stupid as they are nutritious. they can't conceive of their predicament or enact their liberation. they can lead a 90% happy life if you raise them outside in something akin to their regular habitat.

workers have been resisting their enslavement with varying levels of sophistication for as long as there has been civilization.

There’s one way to sustainably eat meat, it’s do it rarely and to hunt for it yourself, we have plenty of overpopulated and invasive species running around causing havoc. Why should I let the meat from 17 pigs rot in the sun when they destroy the land? Just snip the needles off the lionfish, who gives a fuck

>>2807051
>we have plenty of overpopulated and invasive species running around causing havoc.

that's only because we fucked up the ecosystem in the first place by killing off the predators, we need to reintroduce wolves etc

>>2807049
if animals were actually raised for meat that way maybe I would feel a bit more postive about carnism but they aren't. it's like saying slavery isn't that bad because 'well slaves could live in humane conditions', okay but they didn't/don't so what kind of argument is that. plus slavery would still be wrong.

>workers have been resisting their enslavement with varying levels of sophistication for as long as there has been civilization.

so might makes right? workers have failed to liberate themselves so I guess they deserve wage slavery then right?

>>2807293
Also even if you say that "well workers haven't liberated themselves but at least they tried", ok, well in that case should we legalise putting seriously mentally disabled people in camps because they wouldn't be able to resist? How about children or oldsters with dementia?