/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

on the whole i would just say: be civil. discuss points of agreement and ignore the rest where you know you're going to go back and forth in circles. instead of trying to convert them, try to shift their position to be more agreeable on the margin. (e.g. have them hate the actually-existing retards who're doing un-libertarian things in office, not the basically irrelevant left.)

although my favorite libertarian type is Richard Hanania, who isn't really a libertarian as such, or who at least straddles the line having been a former Fascist. What redeems him is that he's willing to say what few others are, and to analyze it in depth: today's right wingers are stupid, joining the right wing will actively negate your innate intelligence and make you a total fucking idiot, and when you look in depth this is really, really obvious.
left wing people read more right-wing news publications than right-wing people (because right wingers don't fucking read! they watch tv/youtube/podcasts, they do not read, they are stupid! whenever you're wondering "why do they believe this patently false thing?" it's all well and good to go ah, manufacturing consent, ah, their class interests, but at some point you do have to lump on: because they are stupid and malicious.)
it's funny to watch someone reach a number of basic liberal positions (like abolishing ICE and prosecuting the people who worked for it) starting from very right-wing premises. it's funny to see a rightist who started as a racist autism score freak, then looked seriously at who was around them and went: hang on, the racial thing is overblown and (thanks to basic economics) irrelevant but holy shit there is a massive "human capital" problem on the right.

>>2677186
this is partially true, but the wrongness of this position is overstated. a boot is a boot is a boot. two metaphorical half boots make a boot too. so long as there's stomping, the rest is just aesthetic preferences.

>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

>>2671763
>Most people have something wrong with them and most people are social animals who survive in a social setting rather than isolated. The meme of surviving by yourself in self-imposed solitary confinement, in nature, the literal Robinson Crusoe gold standard of bourgeois economists, it doesn't make any sense, and the fact that we construct our mental health diagnoses around it also doesn't make sense.

This is a full blown deflection and highly belittling of the disabled. You’re basically pulling an “all lives matter” statement.

>>2666827
They will probably make AI music and attach this kid’s name to it.

>>2631182
I think reducing everything down to 'pleasure' is part of the problem

>>2602627
It's a socialization crisis. The old moral norms and values will no longer apply to a generation that's been raised entirely online from birth. The problem is, in order for communities to function you need some kind of predictability, since predictability is the basis of trust, and gen alpha iPad kids will have to learn some kind of moral norms in order to ensure that predictability. The reasons classrooms are hell and so many teachers are quitting now is because gen alphas have very sporadic behaviours and can't be told to sit down and do their math worksheets.

>>2666970
It's the modern day "stranger danger". Back in the day, kids used to have a lot more freedom. Look at how kids growing up in NYC in the 70s used to be raised by the entire apartment building. Neighbours all took care of each others' kids. Today most parents would freak at the very idea of having their neighbours look after their kids for a few hours.

I hate to be "that comrade" but I also blame some of this on daycares. Parents who have to work stick their kids in daycares where their kids' worlds shrink.

>>2670035
its funny that you mention narcissistic parents since my father allegedly exhibited NPD characteristics(ofc this is just other family members with no medical knowledge making these allegations) and I was a self-identified AnCom throughout high school until getting some more life experience and reading some more theory. I could definitely see narcissistic helicopter parents causing Anarchism to have some more appeal to there kids but what really set me down the path of anarchism and marxism was being really into the environment and realizing a healthy ecosystem and "healthy" capitalist economy are incompatible with one another. That being said I haven't really organized in anarchist spaces so I can't really speak on them sharing traits with their Nmoms.

>>2664792
>I get the impression many of these Dodd and Horowitz types are the same people that engage in Sealioning at every function they appear at and were basically the Leninhats of there org until interpersonal drama causes them to denounce the entire movement for not glazing them enough.
Yes, they're usually the overly self-righteous ones who feel entitled to overstep/violate the boundaries of others on the basis of some "justice sensitivity" bullshit, then when comrades get sick of them they jump into another group.

My favs are the opposite.

>>2651578
>Bella Dodd was a validation junkie, not unlike most of those insecure girls on Tumblr. She was an Italian immigrant who always felt out-of-place, joined CPUSA because she thought communism would help America, and became a successful labour organizer in the party doing legal work for unions. Then, after she got purged for Browderism, she became a born-again Catholic thanks to Fulton Sheen and started snitching on everyone in CPUSA thinking she'd be loved as an "American hero" if she did so.

>Don't know anything about Budenz except Fulton Sheen converted him and his wife to Catholicism and got them to rat people out too.
why is catholicism so attractive to right wingers

>>2676688
In the cases of Budenz and Dodd, they were brought into the Catholic Church by Fulton Sheen, who was connected to Catholic anti-communist groups.

>>2670755
Really funny, comrade. /s

>>2670755
very illustrative of your contention anon

>>2670751
oxymoron

>>2665539
Anarchist mode of production doesnt work, read the walmart republic.

>>2665976
>Elections are based purely on who has the best optics and popularity which often has nothing to do with how good they are at ruling

Does that also apply to party hierarchies? I'd be down with a system where everything was done by sortition

>>2672126
Based and demcent pilled

>>2672358
I know capitalism does wonders, I read the Communist Manifesto already.

>>2675411
Speech on the Peasant Women Day, 15th October, 2025.
Comrades, sisters, and fellow workers!
Today, the representatives of global capital in their glass palace tells us to celebrate. The United Nations, that grand committee for managing the common affairs of the global bourgeoisie, has declared this day the “International Day of the Rural Woman.”

They will speak of our “resilience.”
They will praise our “vital role in the economy.”
They will hand microphones to a few so-called “successful” women and
They will distribute branded T-shirts, buckets, and packets of hybrid seeds.
But we say: No!

We will not be pacified with platitudes and trinkets.
We reject this celebration that masks our exploitation.
We are not here to be celebrated—we are here to be liberated.

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

is this true?

>>2672380
>Are the people their much better off there than before or what?
Not really and only corrupt officials and foreign businessmen are seeing a rise. The working class of Guyana are not seeing the benefits that the multinational companies and this is a constant complaint as new gated and secured communities are formed away from the masses. This is not regular for Guyanese life. They are taking advantage of the racial divide of Guyana between the predominantly Indian PPP and the predominantly Black PNC. A beef that goes back in the 1950s from a split between Cheddi Jagan and Forbes Burnham. This was promoted by Churchill,MI6 and the CIA because Guyana was one of the colonies rapidly going socialist. Not going to go on a lecture about How Jagan and Burnham split or their attempts at socialism like Burnham being inspired by Juche. What is important that Guyana will have a socialist figure who will unify Guyana's founding fathers as Jagan and Burnham to heal the divide. This period the next five to ten years will build a lot of infrastructure before this inevitably happens and the incompetence of the government to handle the staggering wealth inequality

>>2657177
They're just Nazi, right?

WEF Panel: Adam Tooze vs. Lagarde (ECB)/BlackRock CEO/Citadel CEO

>>2657165
Well an anon on here who I initially thought was a troll repeatedly kept using the term "proletarian private property" at me. When I said such a thing was a contradiction in terms when it came to Communism, he produced a quote from the DPRK constitution, article 24, enshrining private property. So I guess both the PRC and DPRK are both fine with private property, at least for now. Then again Engels says that after the revolution private property will be gradually, not instantly, abolished.

>>2662127
>$38 trillion debt
United States of Octavia when?

>>2675998
No I am in India sir

Hinduphobia

>>2676000
stop letting cucktin live rent free in your head

>>2676047
Why? He is in charge of historically progressive anti imperialist struggle.

>>2675628
The concept of the sanctity of female and minor bodies is relatively new, plus US culture has historically always been extremely barbaric. There's no deep rooted moral tradition of valuing people's well-being, especially if those people aren't rich white men. Conservatives will only pretend to care about rape insofar as they can use it to harm nonwhites.

"The Venezuelan economy was doing better before Chavez took over"

>>2676570
>reduce the ability for Korean spies for Japan to blend in
This doesn't seem like a very realistic concern given the fact that Korea had an active anti-Japanese insurgency with substantial communist elements. Iirc the majority of PLA fighters in Manchuria during the Sino-Japanese war were Koreans.

>>2676635
>the majority of PLA fighters in Manchuria during the Sino-Japanese war were Koreans.
And at the exact same time, the majority of the membership of pro-Japan fascist militias in Manchuria were Koreans. This is why the CPC expelled large numbers of Koreans including Kim Il Sung in 1933, they were seen as most suseptible to being spies.

>>2676723
>it's a myth even though it's corroborated by soviet reports
No it isn't, and I've read Beria's trial and interrogation. He was never charged with rape.

>>2676548
check this guys harddrives

Truke

All hail the people's child rape/murdering bourgeoisie!

>>2676519
I think the best argument against electoralism is the amount of energy that some activists put into it when they could be working on the ground to build up independent organizations (or actual socialist parties) instead. But that doesn't apply to the vast majority of people, especially not the ones sitting on their ass shitposting on the internet. Most non-voters are not doing something better than voting, they're just doing nothing.
I sympathize if your state/country is a shithole and they make voting as hard as possible, but otherwise voting really is not that hard.

>>2676610
I live in the third world and the government does everything short of offering blowjobs in order to get people to vote

The turn out is like 20% mostly just military and militia personnel who are forced to.

At the end people don't want to grant legitimacy to their class dictatorships and its daily violence. Amazing how the 'masses' can be more class literate than some self described "revolutionaries"