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Hoxhaism, like other Scientific Socialist movements, had first emerged out of the ideological conflict during the middle-to-late potion of the 20th Century CE. During this time, Enver Hoxha, General Secretary of the Albanian Party of Labour, began to understand, and be critical of, the increasingly revisionist and opportunist rhetoric and polices of the leaders of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics after the death of J. Stalin. At this time, the powerful and harmonious socialist economy that was created as a result of the five-year plans of the 1930’s was slowly being metaphorically watered-down as Khrushchev and later Brezhnev ruled the USSR into the later part of the 20th century.

Enver Hoxha was further agitated by Mao Zedong’s “three worlds theory”; a revisionist and opportunist idea which ignored any sort of societal contradictions in favour of Mao’s immediate geopolitical ambitions. To quote Comrade Hoxha on the “three worlds theory”:

"[…] all of these terms which refer to the different political powers working in the world today conceal — and don't reveal — the class character of these political powers, the basic contradictions of our epoch, the predominant key problem on the national and international scale today, the grim struggle which is waged between the bourgeois-revisionist world on the one hand and socialism, the world proletariat and its natural allies on the other hand." (Enver Hoxha, Report to the 7th Party Congress of the PLA)

Enver Hoxha would seldom capitulate to Khrushchev’s careerism or Mao’s flunkeyism, however. Instead, he would later withdraw from the social-imperialist Warsaw Pact, and would end relations with the revisionist People’s Republic of China. Thus in the process, preventing the People’s Socialist Republic of Albania from becoming a vassal of either social-imperialist state or bloc.

Hence, from this ideological conflict emerged Hoxhaism – the continuation of Marxism and modernisation of Leninism for the international proletariat, free from the crass revisionism and careerism of the Khrushchevite-Brezhnevite Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the petite-bougeois pseudo-Marxism of the People’s Republic of China.

After Hoxha’s life concluded in 1985, a large amount of Communist Parties, many of which located in the Americas, have taken up Hoxha’s example resilience to revisionism and careerism.

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>>2803528
Once you critique commodity production there is no going back

>>2803960
Their most well known general name and descriptor is not a strawman dude, there's nothing else to call them

>>2804168
There's a big difference between criticizing another party for its current positions, policies, and actions relating to contemporary issues, and criticizing them for their takes on irrelevant historical disputes from decades ago. This is why labels like Hoxhaist, Trotskyist, ML, etc are largely meaningless today. They have little hearing on modern issues and essentially just delineate a party's ideological lineage and it's takes on historical questions. I'd say that any vanguardist parry should just abandon such labels and consider themselves Leninist, and even then only because they adhere to Lenin's basic strategy.

>>2804283
>There's a big difference between criticizing another party for its current positions, policies, and actions relating to contemporary issues, and criticizing them for their takes on irrelevant historical disputes from decades ago. This is why labels like Hoxhaist, Trotskyist, ML, etc are largely meaningless today.
"revisionism" is not like those you mention, it doesn't refer to (only) old historical disputes, its about their current positions and policies on and in the present state of things

>>2804303
>its about their current positions and policies on and in the present state of things
Yeah but that has basically nothing to do with historical positions or named tendencies. One cannot call themselves an ML, Trotskyist, Hoxhaist, Maoist, or really any other Leninist tendency without specific reference to those historical splits. Especially since those tendencies have themselves diversified and split to the point where you have different parties identifying as the same tendency but taking opposite positions on things.



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>Was ruled by right-wing military dictatorship for a long time, Cracked on their left harder than any other MidEast nation
>Fought a decades-long war on the biggest socialist organizations in the middle east and civilians who support it in the surrounding countries. Literally assisted ISIS against them. Extensively appalling and appallingly extensive war crimes record.
>Absolute scourge to it's neighbors,
>Invaded a sovereign nation in 1974 and established a colonialist-settler society recognized by only them, 50% of northern Cypriots are settlers.
>NATO member, Begs for entry into EU, Dedicated member of ImperialCore
>Despite little foreign interference They had a long string of despotic, backward governments of every right-wing flavor retarding it's growth. Little regard for their own populace and drove millions of them into more developed nations.
>Supported the worst reactionary governments on the planet as long as they persecuted commies
>Half of the lands they inhabit belonged, Until very recently, to ethnic groups it either exterminated or currently persecuting, Purposefully neglecting minority areas.
>OVERWHELMINGLY nationalistic population, Not only deny but even justify their genocides and numerous other crimes done to the many nations who were once under it's rule. Vehemently racist towards numerous peoples
>Illegal to criticize or even acknowledge most of this

Why are they not hated as much as Israel?
They need a Mao-style revolution to clear all of this nonsense

Back when the rojava thing was happening it was

>>2804003
It's not a white country, being anti-white is central to leftism

>>2804003
>Cracked on their left harder than any other MidEast nation
Iranian commies want to know your location



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I get why people dislike it most of the time; it's used by conservative parents to basically indoctrinate their children and socially isolate them, but thinking that makes homeschooling inherently bad is just like thinking all education is bad because bad people use it sometimes. A form of it could be very useful, especially for us Marxists who are often maligned by those controlling the current educational establishment. It's not like the current public school system is entirely flawless, with it often spewing anti-communist, pro-regime change, right-individualism, and pro-capitalist propaganda. If I had a kid, I wouldn't fully exclude them from public school, but I would perhaps add some sort of extra curriculum at home where I'd teach them Marxist theory, unbiased history of past socialist experiments that doesn't automatically default to (Mao killing 100 billion innocent kulaks in the gulags), and other useful things that may be discouraged elsewhere. I'd kind of be like homework but with studying Marx, Lenin, and even Franz Fanon and perhaps other leftist tendencies like anarchism since it's good to know what your opponents on the left think; marxists.org would be very useful for this, actually. This is especially relevant as it seems like reactionary forces, particularly in the United States, are trying to hijack the school system, such as Project 2025 or PragerU Kids.
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>>2766889
based overprotective mom turning her kids into retards so they don't get bullied by others

>>2767179
Let me guess: you failed math class but rather than trying to get better you decided to blame "the system" instead.

>>2767319
I have a degree lol.

>>2767275
As a teacher in the public school system, I am unable to "discipline" kids. Only the parents can, and they don't.
It seems like there's two types of homeschooling parents: granola munching hippies and really stern christian types who use corporal punishment.
In general, I agree with >>2766792 that it's important for kids to interact with people from other socioeconomic backgrounds. But there's just sooo many problems with the schools, and tbf, I have encountered pedo coworkers and other unsavory sorts so I understand why parents wouldn't want to place their kids there.

>>2804104
>I have encountered pedo coworkers

you mean they got arrested, or, you just didnt like how they were with the kids?



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What right do these irrelevant nobodies have to appoint themselves as the ambassadors of international Marxism Leninism? What the fuck have they achieved in their entire existence? Who are they to talk shit against the CCP and the KPRF, the largest communist parties on the planet? Where does their idiotic entitlement and arrogance come from?
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>>2799309
katanonhto. Gia sena mono:
[email protected]

>>2797633
the funniest thing about posters like you is that you'll all claim you'll decry khrushchev's revisionism while deng was implement shit that was straight up irreversible in terms of market reforms

>>2799542
again, its true. cope as much as you want

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>>2800049
They're not even the most progressive force today

>>2799657

Συγνώμη που δεν έχω απαντήσει νωρίτερα… Απλά δεν έρχομαι συχνά εδώ.

Τέλος πάντων θα σε στείλω μήνυμα στο ptmail σου. Και τη όμορφο όνομα που διάλεξες. Καταπληκτικό 🤩

Long Live Mr. Bean!



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Who's ready for COVID 2 : Electric Boogaloo?

https://www.nytimes.com/article/hantavirus-cruise-ship-outbreak-hondius.html

https://archive.is/20260506135406/https://www.nytimes.com/article/hantavirus-cruise-ship-outbreak-hondius.html

>Three passengers who were aboard the MV Hondius have died and four other people have been sickened — one critically — after showing symptoms of the rare disease, according to the World Health Organization. On Monday, the vessel’s operator, Oceanwide Expeditions, said that hantavirus had been confirmed in two of the cases.


>The C.D.C. cited a case fatality rate of up to 15 percent in Asia and Europe and up to 50 percent in the Americas.

Nobody probably maybe China and north Korea. We'll wing it like last time, maybe.

Mask up, don't shoot!
It's not even that transmissable. Big nothingburger.



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>>2802114
thank you

>>2802122
>original thought
Idealism

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We see Marx's method of analysis as logical, and in particular, according to Hegel's logic. We see this employed in his Critique of Political Economy, by identifying the internal "logic" of the substance of value. Hegel's logic is Being (quality-quantity-measure); Essence (essence-appearance-actuality); Concept (subjective-objective-idea). The passage from labour to capital is the progression of thought into spirit, and so the completion of substance to its self-determination.

Marx does not present irresolution into the logic of capital, but resolves it by dialectical advancement. Here, I will outline the progression of the concept:

(i) Quality is assigned to useful, concrete labour.
(ii) Quantity is assigned to abstract labour; e.g. SNLT.
(iii) Measure is assigned to the medium of exchange.

(i) Essence is assigned to value.
(ii) Appearance is assigned to the form of value.
(iii) Actuality is assigned to the realisation of value.

(i) Subjectivity is assigned to Living Labour
(ii) Objectivity is assigned to Dead Labour
(iii) Idea is assigned to Capital
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Is Smith-Anon a Juche-Reaganist?

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>>2803916
I have written previously on liberal socialism, from the time of the first cooperative societies, inspired by Robert Owen. After this is Jevons, who in a speech to a trade union, sees the ideal situation as workers owning their own businesses. Jevons through Wicksteed converts Shaw from Marxism to Marginalism, and Shaw as founder of the Fabian Society (e.g. Reformist Socialism) is also a co-founder of the Labour Party in the UK. Later, we have Rothbard, who speaks upon the Homestead Principle in relation to "confiscation" of the means of production, in Yugoslavia and the United States. He says that he fully supports the workers collectively seizing the means of production from the State, and in the US, he promotes the idea of reparations for slavery, and sees that any company which is sufficiently subsidised by public funds should be seized by the state. Reagan of course promotes the same idea as Jevons; of worker ownership of industry - what he terms as a "people's capitalism", but what can be seen as "market socialism", as per Keynes' diagnosis of Silvio Gesell, whom he said had more historical relevance than Marx in the long-run. Keynes said that in the future, the work day would be reduced to its lowest level, the same as Nixon (An early supporter of UBI, the same as Milton Friedman; e.g. the Negative Income Tax). The theory of liberal socialism really begins in Gerald Winstanley (1649-53) however, with his theory of the rights of property seeming to inspire Locke (1690), continuous of Petty's theory of social wealth (1662), being labour and nature. The idea of liberal socialism has seemed to die out, unfortunately, but I try to keep it alive. 😁👍



 

Half baked thought written on my phone, based on half-remembered anthropology, so bear with me.
Class society came about as a result of division of labour, right? There were separate groups of people who performed administrative function, like organising large scale agerculture, or who monopolised violence in form of warrior class. As history marches on the social organisation gets more complex, demanding more division of labour, not less. This seems to be driven mostly by technological growth, people with distinct expertise are needed to maintain technological society. It is not a process that I see ending with transition to planned economy (or any other model I can think of).
Now I dont think division of labour neccessarly must lead to class distinction, after all different kinds of concrete labour are performed by people occupying the same position in socio-economic pyramid, and if we imagine a society where incomes are equal, all should be of the same class.
The one problem I see is with those who perform decision making function. To allow ourself a biological analogy, the brain of social organism. By virtue of their position, they are not only allowed to secure priviledges for themselves, and as such constitute themselves as a class, but arguably the position is priviledge in itself as it bestows the greatest amount of autonomy on individual.
So the question I have, is it possible to create society with no decision-making strata? Or, if not, how can this strata be made "virtuous", so they conduct themselves as a selfless civil servants, rather than acting for their own personal benefit?
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>>2803882
>Watch this video; don't read Marx
Typical Marxoid laziness. But lets read from Marx directly:
<Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal. But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby. In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
So Marx calls economic inequality a "defect" of bourgeois right.

>>2803879
>The productive will support the unproductive
This both in the sense of 'muh welfare' and in the sense productive and unproductive labor in classical and Marxist economics sense.

>>2803891
Yes, Marx directly supports welfare in his writings.

>>2803894
Guy lived off donations from Engels, he'd be a hypocrite like Rand if he didnt.

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>>2803885
>>2803889
To contextualise this a bit more, Marx in his economic writings discusses the difference between time-wages and piece-wages. If we consider time-wages, people are paid by the hour, and if they ar optimally productive, they exploit themselves (like how when you are finished with your tasks, your boss just gives you more stuff to do). Those acquainted with time-wages are thus inherently lazy in order to sustain their employment at an optimal leisure (e.g. construction and public works employees). Here, productivity is punished (in working class communities, a paradox occurs, where "hard work" is celebrated, yet success is punished, just like in the working space). Piece-wages on the contrary, reward productivity (freelance work being a type of piece wage, or salary), since it incentivises you to do your work at a faster pace. Capitalist countries mostly use time-wages, while in the Soviet Union, piece-wages were most common.

Marx in his lower phase of Communism promotes the piece-wage model, seeing how different abilities will cause an inequality of productivity:
<But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
As yet, he sees that this is still defective of the lower phase, where productivity will once again be punished - this is Marx's irrationality, since where we do actually have an "equality of opportunity", the outcome ought to be immaterial, since it is fair (especially in the classless context he puts it in). So then, Marx's idea to create an equality of economic outcome is a flaw in his logic, which we have to be honest about - and if the inequality of outcome is a result of the equality of individuals, maybe it will result in forcing individual equality, and so Jordan Peterson jumps ahead, but has the right idea.



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Today is Karl Marx's birthday and I wanna make a statement about his theory of society and capitalism.

Marx's theory on history and the development of capitalism is based on these three core ideas:

  1. historical and dialectical materialism
  2. class struggle under capitalism is inevitable
  3. labour theory of value and surplus value theory

a. Historical materialism is a good theory but reductionist.
The mode of production and class struggle is not the main driving factor of history.

b. capitalism adapts itself better than Marx's predicted

c. labour is important in defining the value of a product but it is also not the main defining factor of its price

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please actually read marx and never listen to online marxists, none of them have read marx

KARL MARX WAS A russian saboteur

>>2802576
As if race, gender and other identities exist on an island, each one of these variables are contingent and access to material and specific mode of production determined their identity

suppose africa developed the steam engine before england, they would have colonized a vast amount of land, despite whatever thirdworldists say.

>>2803524
>hmm, I used to think like
And I used to think like you, so I guess we yin-yanged, as people often do
>>2803525
>you should pay attention
I certainly try!
>good night
good morning!

>>2803709
Mods permaban this man for idpol



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We all know that Jesus existed historically, I assume most of us don't think he was the son of God and stuff, but he still existed but just may have been a bit crazy, but was he a force good or not? At the time he existed I would say he was because despite the cooky stuff he still at the end of the day spread a message of empathy and compassion that many would call Pre-Marxist-Socialism, which is why the Romans killed him. Obviously after his death his teachings devolved into what it is now but many great people still used his teachings for good like John Brown and MLK.
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>>2803723
>Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
Thats not entirely true. Worship to gods is also part of the logic of exchange, where one is rewarded for sacrifice. So, it has its dimension of commoditisation.

>>2803722
I would call butchering Hypatia in the street pretty reactionary

>>2803727
So, yes? History has regressed since the time of 100 CE?

>>2803723
>Christians view religion as a deeply personal belief, and while religious communites exist, there aren't the center of religion.
>Christians pratice their religion because they believe they'll go to heaven. Pagans view religion as a communal issue and as the continuation of ancient traditions, they practice it to keep communal stability.
This is really later development, i don't want to say protestant, but that was the logical endpoint of this development. The early Christians put more weight on you doing right by others, the community was the thing in early-Christianity. It was not primarily about personal faith, or personal repentance, obsession of with sins and being sorry for them. That is the later development.

Also what differentiates pagan worship above all from Christianity was that pagan worship was more transactional. Like you do the sacrifices and rituals to get better crop, find love, cure your illness etc or not be affected by your god's disfavor if you don't. Christian god is universal and will forgive all who will seek him, and will set things right after the second coming. You cannot sacrifice, pray hard enough, or be good or virtuous enough for god to earn anything, but they belied that they could take the given grace and could be good enough to other people with that grace. If the could not, then tough luck champ, I guess they weren't true in their faith. However the talk inside your head was never the point it was the walk you would walk because of it. The community, the works and the church was preparation for the second coming, aka. final judgment, aka. "heaven", which was coming soon, on earth, not above the clouds, alternative dimension, or metaphorically. Christianity was not as or less communal than pagan societies, they were more communal by all measures. What they however also were more insular (mostly because charity with limited resources is rationally focused primarily within the in-group) and took the worship away from public spectacles and that irked some of the roman pagans and led to all kinds of conspiracy theories. Those conspiracy theories and Christians denouncing the cults of roman emperors led to the later persecutions.

>>2802023
everytime there's a crisis in capital a reactionary entity of ye olden days will see the writing on the wall and try to ride the wave of change in a last ditch effort to continue existing



 

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>>2803228
Hekmatist practice all things they criticize the ICP for

If you read their program it's literally just the gotha program

I concede that they're internationalists and might build the infrastructure for future Iraqi-Iranian-Kurdish joint class struggle

Sorry afandi but you've contributed to this

Why is Turkey so nationalistic?

I am Greek but I really choose to ignore Greek Turkish relations. So I am clueless. If you asked me I would love Erdo to invade so that at least we get rid of the people in power now. What is something bad that Greece is doing or has done that you genuinely believe is bad.

>>2803264
Liberalism

Nothing happened to the Armenians in WWI and they also deserved it



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