/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1276444
they don't always differ from other modes of production (except classless ones), but sometimes they do, like having no sense of what your labor contributes to society and existential angst about it

>>1277170
No shit, the problem is that people in these threads never bother with any kind of nuance, it’s always going from “meds good” to “ALL MEDS BAD I AM BASED SCHIZO” out of crude contrarianism

>>1277170
>also the idea of "behaving yourself for the masters" maybe being a good thing is just an unironic glorification of bootlicking.
who said that's maybe a good thing? it's just what psychiatry is under a class system, which means that it's politicized (like everything) and turned against the workers.
>the problem is that in order for a psychiatry to work, you need to actually know how to cure people.
well part of the problem is that the science is young, but the big issue is that science is geared toward bourgeois interests in general and has a lot of issues with rigor and replicability. so much of science is funded by corporations (especially medical research) that it's pretty garbage right now. the socialist version of this has the capacity to be better as long as you don't let the lysenko-pilled morons have control over it.

>>1277152
Is taking medication for physical problems like high blood pressure also burger-tier?

>>1277170
There are plenty of psychiatrists out there sceptical to varying degrees of 'big pharma' or mediation to heal mental health problems all together.
If you can afford a psychiatrist, actively look for one more in lign with you.
>>1277182
>You all have sluggish schizophrenia
Anon, /leftypol/ is a Sluggish Schizophrenia Outpatient Support Service. Keep up.

>individual outliars
Kek

>>1276752
>will rich people give up being rich?
No.

More or less the gist of it.

When you're talking about actual-political-influence levels of capital, it's almost a cyclic sense of, they wouldn't be where they are if they did have ethics. If a small business treats its workers properly and whatever, does ethics, then that's nice but it's extremely unlikely they can reach the big leagues. How do you compete with exploitation and corrupt practices? Very tough in practice.
>in before booj philanthropy:
- Second Thought's introduction of why billionaire philanthropy is not ethical gifting but rather an economically opportunistic venture and buying good reputation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8w3qPwpzZA
- [bonus] An extended critique of MrBeast's sponsored, ineffective philanthropy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svHCXvQeZfY
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Like you said, outliers can exist. I would assume it's mostly inheritance receivers, hence receiving the money without being consciously exploitative. There is no dogmatic "bourgeous class traitors don't exist" rule. But they are ultimately outliers that can't be relied on. Capitalists won't band together to intentionally destroy themselves.

>>1276761
The ones that did aren't rich, so they don't count ;)

you are correct OP. some porkoids may give up their capital but the vast majority will not

It is law and state that grants owners a permission to deny a job at the means of production making private property possible. If workers will take control of the means of production they work at, the state will supress them, if it can, not the owner.

The workers should demand the production control, not waiting for the owners agree between themselves and to transfer the control to the workers. The owners can't do this even if they want to, if workers do not want the control.

The workers demands may not even look as a combat fight, but as a referendum on abolition of right to declien a job at x1, x2.. etc, production companies. In this case, the state will have no law to use force.

>>1276605
I'm sorry, but what do you think you get with this kind of anarchist militancy in the rest of Europe? Also, the allegation that they were fucking tortured are severe. Most likely they were just sentenced to prison

>>1276613
>but what do you think you get with this kind of anarchist militancy in the rest of Europe?
WTF. To a far larger degree, yes absolutely.
>Torture? They made it all up!
come on anon.. Have more integrity than this. Respect yourself.

>>1275683
>Walked into Moscow Metro, and there is some dudes wearing USSR T-shirt
>Get off Metro, walk along the pedestrian road
>See a car flying Soviet Banner
>Go to Hotel, some babuska near the counter looking at the TV angrily speaking about how it was better in USSR times
14 day trip and I saw more Communism there than I did in my 24 years of life

>>1276835
Those are paid crisis actors to make western leftists feel like Russia is communist and support it critically in it's actions in Ukraine

>>1276835
Holy shit bro you saw a fucking T-shirt and a flag, I can't believe Russia is that communist, I can feel Lenin coming back to life already

>>1274314
this is why opsec is a meme, glowies can easily stalk you home. Unless you're a vagabond. You just need to put your neck out for the cause

Fucking salties getting all the baddies while sallies get all the oldies

>>1275573
>Get stalked all the way back to anarchist commune
>Lookout sees your danger signal and drags the stalker into a bush to rape him
problem solved

>>1275573
>skips over the posts explaining why your first sentence makes no semantic sense
read this >>1274970
watch this >>1275019
glow-in-the-darks aren't the only reason infosec exists

>>1275019
BUT WE CAN SEE HIS FACE!!!1

take a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpUpVznI4Yc
It's a disturbed music video, made with AI generated stills
All the comrades who said this tech should and can be used for propaganda: extra vindicated

>>1276746
goes hard

>>1270671
This is like insane level of trying not ot draw hands or feet. And when it does, they are fucked up.

>>1276776
Guess AI learned too much from comic book artists

>>1276777
kek (also trips)

>>1275645
>so only the most cynical and stupid people end up working on it
I'm not sure about that, if you're a proletarian then there is often little choice you can have without inviting discomfort. That's part of the concept of selling your labour, a lack of economic liberty.
If your marketable skills and experience are mostly limited to graphic designs or literary studies, then you'll probably be taking a pay cut or having to radically change your career (probably to something less appealing).

What I'm saying is, it comes down to a value compromise, and money is a hard thing to compromise on since it affords people security and the ability to meet basic needs. And that compromise can be made, but I don't think the average worker would be expected to make it. I don't think that makes them the most cynical.

>>1275897
If its job was to revolt people from agreeing with them, then that's a fucking stupid job.

Welcome to Benny's Pizza! Our food looks worse than everyone else's and our prices are higher.
The job of propaganda isn't just to get the idea of Benny's existence into your head, it's to make you consider Benny's as an option. And if I tell my friends "Wow Benny's is shit, why did they waste money on a shitty ad", that's not success.

>>1276557
you are assuming people to be as autistic as you are.
all they need is people to be aware of their existence. all they need is people buying that big mac menu because they know about it. nevermind some lebanese prole is selling freshly made falafel for half the price next door.
you are not simply buying food, you are buying a life style.

this is how propaganda works. repeat it often enough and at some point you have conditioned the human brain to think about X given context A. no matter how absurd or illogical it is

so yeah, you telling your friends brand X is shit doesn't do anything and is a non-sequitur.

>>1276710
>this is how propaganda works. repeat it often enough and at some point you have conditioned the human brain to think about X given context A. no matter how absurd or illogical it is
And if the brain is conditioned by poorly made, ineffectual X propaganda to think about how they hate X given context A…….. how is this a success for the X propagandist?

>>1276741
Because you are still thinking about a question within given context. Setting the favorable to you context in a discussion is 80% of the victory right there.

You are still discussing if we should tax billionaires instead of discussing wherever should we just kill anyone with 7 digit number in their account or maybe held some sort of trials for porkies.

>>1276762 (me)
Also, if you repeat something often enough especially since childhood, people will just believe that, no matter how stupid it is. And it's very hard to get rid of it, especially when it sees like a common opinion (as default our brain does want to conform to what seems like most prevalent opinion). As an example - history of USSR, even communist today still believe nazi/cold war myths about it even when they know that such propaanda exists.

Whoa, 5 vehicles? DotB pwnt!!!

Bades.

thank you anon for posting real news about revolution

Communism status: achieved

Large rail union SMART-TD votes to reject labor deal as national strike moves closer
SMART-TD, one of the largest railroad labor unions, voted down a tentative agreement with rail management, raising the likelihood of a strike in December. The BLET, the other largest union, voted to ratify the labor deal but said it will honor the picket line. “It’s now back to the bargaining table for our operating craft members,” said Jeremy Ferguson, president of the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers-Transportation Division. “This can all be settled through negotiations and without a strike. A settlement would be in the best interests of the workers, the railroads, shippers and the American people.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/21/smart-td-votes-down-labor-deal-as-rails-move-closer-to-national-strike.html

Workers at BP refinery will not help with restart unless wage demands met -union
Workers at BP's Rotterdam refinery, which is currently offline, will not help restart operations unless their wage demands are met, union leaders said on Monday. … He said that workers would help fix the resulting problems, but they would not assist to resume refining operations unless a new Wednesday noon ultimatum is not met. "We will help resolve the problems until the facilities are ready to be restarted, and then we'll stop, that's our intention," he said.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/workers-bp-refinery-wont-help-with-restart-if-wage-demands-not-met-union-2022-11-21/

Rights Groups Demand Biden Close 'Inhumane' ICE Detention Centers
"We urge you to recognize that our shared values of humanity and compassion require the dismantling of our system of mass immigrant detention," 114 groups wrote in a letter to the president. "In particular, we urge you to support the closure of Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention sites, prevent the development of new detention sites or expansion of existing ones, and seek reduced funding for immigration detention from Congress."
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Crypto Bro Sam Bankman-Fried Was the Perfect Liberal Hero
Bankman-Fried is the Bernie Madoff of crypto, an industry that is shady even at its best. It’s curious, then, to find him still an honored guest of the anti-disinformation crusaders at the Gray Lady, and, at this writing, still on the program. But his spiral into ignominy has been swift. Just a couple weeks ago, Bankman-Fried’s presence at the Times’ “summit” would have been unsurprising, as he was an absolute darling of the liberal intelligentsia. The Times itself called him a “crypto emperor” in May. All the journalists thought the thirty-year-old MIT physics graduate — and son of two Stanford professors — was a “genius,” and often used this word to describe him. (Liberals love to worship purported intelligence even in its most off-putting forms.) Fortune wondered if Bankman-Fried was “the next Warren Buffett.” He’s also been called a modern J. P. Morgan. Forbes exulted over how “extremely exciting” it was to work on a Q&A with him. Liberals bought completely into his schtick, which was that he was a proponent of “Effective Altruism” (EA), a philosophy which stresses “earning to give,” the idea being that rather than choose a virtuous job — seeking a cure for cancer, working for a literacy nonprofit, or, I don’t know, organizing to expropriate the owning class — a person could do more good by making as much money as possible in order to give it away wisely, seeking to make well-informed donations that will make the world a better place. For people who want to believe in the better angels of capitalism, this notion was like crack, completely irresistible. Matt Yglesias was one convert, gushing in May over Bankman-Fried’s sincere commitment to EA and to the cause of pandemic prevention. (Yglesias for his part is now dutifully eating crow.) Forbes and the Times and many other publications also gushed credulously about Bankman-Fried’s intentions to give away all his wealth.
https://jacobin.com/2022/11/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-new-york-times-liberalism

Why Is AARP Boosting Medicare Privatization?
Despite massive and systemic problems with for-profit Medicare plans denying care to seniors while costing the government more than $7 billion annually in excess fees, the leading advocacy group tasked with pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1276379
>they trussted a man named 'bank-man'.
This is worse than 'Die-hard-man'.. give me a break..
fuck them they deserved to loose their money and credibility.

Thanks News Anon

Please stop trying to meme this.

>>1276461
Was Nat Turner a meme? Or the revolutionaries in Hair, Zimbabwe, and South Africa? Do you think they immediately went for hard military targets? No, that's retarded, they would've been slaughtered. They started off by hitting soft civilian targets first like supermarkets and public gatherings to build morale for the revolution.

who is this

>>1276696
Ran over a bunch of neanderthals to try and kickstart the revolution

>>1276696
Revolutionary

>>1276269
bump

>>1273813
>why is it so oxidized already?
salty sea air. The salts contribute reactants or something.

>>1276082
>now what in the heavens would be the goal of tying up a man in this way?
This is how the Anglo waters his garden…

Bashkir O detachment prepared to go to the front.
They have trained in winter conditions and already have their uniforms prepared.