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Pro-Palestine protesters block foreign office with 'Genocide Made in Britain' banner
Demonstrators, four rows deep and holding a banner reading "Genocide Made in Britain", sealed off the office's main entrance. At least nine demonstrators were arrested, rotesters told Middle East Eye. The protest, organised by Workers for a Free Palestine, is one of the largest since Labour's victory in the general election, which saw the party lose five seats to pro-Palestinian independent candidates.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pro-palestine-protesters-block-foreign-office-entrance-calling

Houthis, Yemeni government reach financial 'de-escalation' deal: UN envoy
After striking their latest agreement, the warring parties will convene "meetings to discuss all economic and humanitarian issues based on the (UN) roadmap," said Grundberg's office. It stressed "the need for the parties to collaborate towards an economy that benefits all Yemenis and supports the implementation of a nationwide ceasefire and the resumption of an inclusive political process."
https://www.newarab.com/news/houthis-yemeni-government-reach-financial-de-escalation-deal

French left lawmakers slam Macron's decision not to appoint a new PM until after the Olympics
President Emmanuel Macron said on Tuesday he will maintain the caretaker government, led by his business-centred coalition, through the Olympics to avoid “disorder.” Mr Macron brushed aside a prime minister nomination by the left-wing New Popular Front (NPF), which won most seats at this month’s National Assembly elections.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/french-left-lawmakers-slam-macrons-decision-not-appoint-new-pm-until-after-olympics

Spain’s Supreme Court challenges constitutionality of amnesty for Catalan separatists
The Supreme Court said it believes that the amnesty violates the principle of equality before the law guaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Boluarte implicated in mass repression
LAST week, Amnesty International published an 86-page document regarding the series of human rights violations committed by the Peruvian state during the protests that took place between December 2022 and March 2023. During this period, when tens of thousands took to the streets in rage against the coup carried out against president Pedro Castillo, more than 50 people died and thousands were injured. The report alleges that Dina Boluarte, the de facto president of Peru following the coup, as well as other senior state officials, either planned the police and military operations that violated the human rights of thousands of people protesting the coup or deliberately failed to stop the publicly known crimes. For example, in Andahuaylas city in Apurimac, special forces used tactics that repeatedly violated human rights for several months without any order to cease such actions.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/boluarte-implicated-mass-repression

Biden abandons the race: can switching horses in midstream stop Trump?
Nothing scares politicians more than losing elections. But the stakes are even higher this time around, as a majority of the ruling class understands that a second Trump term will mean even more instability and the continued undermining of bourgeois institutions. His anti-establishment populism has already stirred up a social hornet’s nest, and the ruling class is desperate to calm things down. After hedging their bets on Biden for the past three years, the Democrats finally had to cut their losses and make a last minute pivot. Also unsurprisingly, Biden endorsed his vice president, Kamala Harris, to succeed him. Bill and Hilary Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, and other Democratic Party notables followed suit in the hours that followed. Democratic National Committee chairman Jaime Harrison said in a statement after Biden’s announcement that the party would “undertake a transparent and orderly process to move forward as a united Democratic Party with a candidate who can defeat Donald Trump in November.” Reading between the lines, there are deep divisions and doubts around Harris’s candidacy. In the end, however, though she may not be their first choice, they could hardly allow the mess around Biden’s Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

TYBNA

what does the yemen deal mean for the uae backed factions?

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Thanks News Anon

i touch myself to news anons post



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So I have this fascination with neo-nazis and I need to understand this.

Why the fuck are all neo-nazis like this meme?
It literally makes no sense whatsoever.
So neo-nazis are hardcore into holocaust denial I have yet to see a neo-nazis who does not shit and piss himself if someone mentions the holocaust.

So according to neo-nazis
<1) Hitlers Germany is the perfect government
<2) Hitler is the smartest man alive
<3)Hitler hated the jews
<4)Jews are responsible for everything evil in the world
And here comes the comedy part
<5)Hitler did not want to exterminate the jews
<6)The holocaust did not happen
<7)Hitler did not want to exterminate the jews
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>>1886615
nazbol gnag still alive

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>>1928560
>is considered bad
So is shitting your pants. However not many mass shooters who are proud pants shitters (or what is that fetish/subculture) AKA I know of none.

There is a difference between bad as in cool/evil/edgy.
And bad as shameful.

>it isn't edgy.

I have a definition of edgy that is more the cool, mass hooter nihilist type and I think most people will agree.

PS: You notice how nazis are glorified in modern culture as the cool hansom evil superman and almost never shown as the cringe pissing themselves in out of this world fagot back twisting that they actually are.


For example you will never see a Hollywood movie with a real neo-nazi character for example you will never see for example a Godzilla like movie or alien invasion movie where they have a neo-nazi who starts ranting like all of this is fake and it is the jews who are behind it all or some shit before getting killed by the obvious monsters.

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>>1886592
The contradiction is part of the appeal.
They think that ignoring basic logic gives them power.
It's kind of like how when toddlers learn how to lie and start lying all the time. There's a joy in openly rejecting reality and asserting your own narrative.

>>1933715
> Seriosuly name me any ugly nazi or neo-nazi in any major Hollywood movie.
What kind of fucking stupid question is this ugly people don't exist in hollywood.

>>1933715
The fat guy in American History X

Can't really think of any other examples of neonazis in movies right now but they're often portrayed as ugly poor dumb scrotes.



 

Are you only a leftist because you don't believe in biological determinism?
is there a left that believes in it?
>why?
because I don't believe that the left should stop existing in case it's true. I believe that the left, at a philosophical level is about freedom from all limitations. freedom from oppression (even if it's "natural"),

my question is: would your rebellious spirit die in face of biological determinism? what is "leftism" to you? where is your limit?
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Well I'm a socialist, I don't particularly believe in freedom much less freedom from all limitations, sounds like suicide to me, which is what a lot of people associate with the "left" when in reality it's just a meaningless buzzword used to describe an ever shifting set of ideas.
Something something Marx said this.
Now I say that because I believe in biological predisposition and species based predisposition to tribalism and discrimination.
Determinism is a hard word, nothing is ever exactly set in stone, you can outrun your genetics, you can work hard, you can be a good person if you don't let your shit family bug you, or you can succumb and become a capo by 24.
Now the fact is that it isn't just you or your family.
If you do get ahead in life and pull yourself up, your genetics will still limit you.
I learned this the hard way when I maxxed out my body but my face was still lacking, not even eating tough foods saved me, and as such all that hard work in the face of adversity was spat on by the general populace.
Its sort of like how you can work hard in 1950s America but you're doomed to never make it if you're black in a white only area.
Or more accurately, trying to reach the level of wealth of the top in one generation of which you just cannot do.
I think humans have a very constraining funnel of what they are allowed to do, but can also have a degree of freedom to free themselves of these shackles.
Though ironically enough it is for this reason I don't believe in freedom. What a funny word.
Freedom to what? Oppress the working class, self defense against raiding revolutionaries?
No, I don't believe in freedom, I believe in winning.
That I will do and force everyone else into it if I must.
Anyhorse, that sounds like a bunch of post modernist anarchism to me, but enough of that, the only constant praxis is whether or not the strength of my class is more than the other. Whether or not my biological determinism will snuff out the rage in me is the only biological determinism that matters and if so, we must genetically engineer and interject ourselves with golden machinery to rectify this error before the others do.
Simple.

>>1933618
>I'm a Calvinist socialist
Kys liberal

determinism of what?

>>1933502
Not the anon who told you to take Lysenko's dick out of your mouth, but I can explain the connection. If we were trying to recover Lysenkoism from modern science we would use something like epigenetics with directionality. We have evidence of epigenetics, but weak if any evidence for directionality in epigentics. Current epigentic models invoke methylisation or some other factor as a method of making mutations more or less likely in a given gene. To use a classical example of Lysenkoism, if there is a set of genes which are related to how long a giraffe's neck grows then epigenetic factors during the life of the giraffe could conceivably make the germline of the giraffe more or less likely to mutate in this area, and mutating more might give the offspring of the giraffe greater variability such that some of the giraffe's offspring were more likely to thrive relative to other giraffes in a place and time where leaves are high up, but this would come at the cost of other offspring having shorter necks that would do worse in the environment. We lack directionality at this point because we don't have a mechanism for determining whether the genes which the morphology of the giraffe's neck is downstream of will mutate in way that increases or decreases the length of the neck. This is what is meant by directionality. There is a recent attempt at recovering directionality, though. Michael Levin thinks his team has seen epigenetic changes that seem to solve a novel problem in a living animal, particularly making a flatworm adapt to barium chloride (which they shouldn't be encountering in nature), and he thinks this is being done by some form of problem solving intelligence that is capable of reasoning about novel problems and making useful guesses as to what changes in genetics might cause useful changes in morphology. I'm not at all convinced this is happening in a giraffe's neck (I *could* see it as a relative long shot), but the idea of something like liver function adjusting to deal with new toxins faster than would happen without the reasoning of some weird alien intelligence seems suddenly plausible. I'm also not totally convinced this is happening the way Levin thinks it is. E.g., he rules out brute force trial and error but I can ignorantly imagine the organism searching possibility space by starting to grow different pumps according to differentPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1928889
No.
There are many things which are both true on some level and have apparent contradictions which are also true on some level (welcome to dialectics). There are descriptive truths in biological determinism, but there are also descriptive truths outside of it. The answer is nature and nurture, not nature or nurture. "From each according to his ability" implicitly assumes differences in ability, and whether or not these differences are biological seem irrelevant.
There is a deep criticism of democracy that arises from believing in hierarchies of competence, but this is not relegated to biological determinism. I think these criticisms can be overcome, but must first be grappled with rather than ignored. I believe we need a model for democratic decision making that can produce better results than a competent dictator while also avoiding the pitfalls of the problem of succession, but again this isn't related to biological determinism per se but rather hierarchies of competence downstream from biology as well as other factors. On whatever level a hierarchy of competence exists, it does not neccessitate a hierarchy of power. Here we consider the left in the broad sense which comes from the side of French parliament critical of the monarch.



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people often bring up that the nazis were dedicated to the holocaust to the point it hurt their own war effort and try to frame it as proof materialism is wrong, but that only proves that fascists aren't materialist, which, uh, proving fascists agree with you is kinda a Bad Thing. i guess they're saying it proves the holocaust happened because of nazi ideology and not material reasons, but it proves nothing of the sort. there WERE material motives behind the holocaust - the reason it ended up materially harming them is the nazis didn't know that themselves, like, there were absolutely material reasons for the holocaust - it eliminated part of the petit bourgeois, it served to promote racial hatred (which in turn encourages class collaboration), etc. - but that was all subconscious. consciously, all the nazis knew was they hated jews

hitler didn't wake up and think any of this. he himself also thought he was just doing this cause he hated jews. he was unaware even himself of the material reasons. so of course it ended up being to their material detriment, because it was carried out with idealistic motives, but obviously there were material reasons. hence why they initially tried to "only" expel the jews and seize their property. obviously it goes without saying that they had no qualms with outright killing them, so it wasn't for humanistic reasons. it was for material reasons

all it proves is the nazis weren't materialist. which nobody said otherwise. if everyone were materialist there'd be no need to critique idealism! this is such a poor argument against materialism but is bafflingly common. as if you need to tell a communist the holocaust was bad
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>>1933817
>>1918531
<today i will make another blogpost OP arguing with the ghosts in my head
You are such a mentally damaged faggot.

>>1933817
Yeah, they are stupid people everywhere.

>>1933950
And they are correct!

It elimiminated part of the proletariat*, jews were already pretty marginalized in germany before the holocaust. Hitler, as a bourgoise himself, had material interests in disrupting the proletariat, even if he was unaware of it.

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There is a unique touchiness around the subject of the Holocaust because it is central to the modern liberal's self-image and a key source of legitimacy for the defenders of liberal capitalism, whose complicity in genocide is conveniently brushed over.

Admit that the genocide had its origins in the economy and class interests and you are forced to acknowledge that it was not some unique evil, but a logical result of certain capitalist conditions - and thus that the defenders of liberal capitalism are far from heroic. Marx himself applies, in a different context, the central insight of 'The Great Alibi'. People are happy to accept it in relation to revolutionary France, but not in relation to the Holocaust - which is itself a fitting testimony to the unique power of the 'alibi'.



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Hello, fellow humans, after reading, I was wondering what's practical steps to take against capitalism, it's cool and all to be a theorycel, but what about actual praxis on day to day life?
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>>1923714
See:
The OC thread on this board
and >>>/draw/

You can find tutorials for every aspect of it: sharp messages, digital editing, font choice, all that stuff, but the important part if trying, receiving critique, and improving your skills and techniques. Learning how other people see things, what you think was important and what was actually interpreted instead. Jump in; you're anonymous, if someone is rude then take two steps to the left and now you're a different comrade.

>>1924435
>Keep reading, bro, and capitalism will fall!!!!!

Theorycel cope, you need praxis too.

>>1924775
These steps need further clarification to be honest like the propaganda that needs to be dispersed.

>>1922763
mostly boil down to organize and agitate



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I used to believe in the vanguard party governing the dictatorship of the proletariat, but now I'm not so sure that it's necessary.
I can still see it being necessary as basically a school of communism that exists in proletarian organizations, but I'm less and less sure that it really needs to rule/lead the revolution the more I read and think about it.
What do you think?
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>>1932742
>communism
Is just a term that people think gives them some kind of authority when they larp as a Puritan householder. Go back

>>1932759
There aren't that many people here who do respect Ehrenreich's definition of the term, that is true. Imageboards are places for people to pretend to be retarded, after all, and people who fancy themselves some kind of "leader" figure or part of some inside "team" don't much like being held to scrutiny.

It's notable that the traditional PMC ethic values intellectual autonomy and public service, the intersection between which all but invites abuse.

>>1932767
Maybe there's more than one labor aristocracy, with objective antagonisms between them that may have strategic import in the here and now?
>Stop theorizing things
No, and that's why

>>1927987
No. Wanna-be bureucrats should be eliminated.

>>1932771
it's not that co ops are the end of it, it's that competition is a problem that solves itself through "winners" getting selected and the market getting sublated by monopoly. If we had an economy full of centrally planned worker owned monopolies we would essentially have socialism

>>1933620
>monopolies
this implies the existence of more than one monopoly. there can only be one

>>1933620
>if we had management
Capitalism has management at home. 2I doctrine is obsolete. Turn off the lights on your way to a real ideology that actually exists today



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People who think capitalism is "human nature" often don't even understand what capitalism is. They think it is simply trade. They follow the barter myth of the early political economists like Adam Smith, who asserted that early cultures spent all day running back and further, looking for a double coincidence of wants, and then they project the present mode of production backwards through history, looking at the history of trade itself as the history of capitalism. What confuses them even further is the fact that capital predates capitalism, in the forms identified by Marx: Merchant's capital and usurer's capital. They think "how can capital predate capitalism?" and they assume this is some kind of Communist sleight of hand to make capitalism seem "unnatural" (which, again, capitalism is simply trade in their eyes, and trade is natural, therefore so is capitalism). It is as if one assumed that the history of mail was the history of writing, even though mail predates writing in precisely the same way that capital predates capitalism. Intermediaries carried symbolic communicative media such as symbols, signs, seals, from one person to another long before writing was properly writing.
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>>1933635
Marx did not believe in the barter myth, because the barter myth was particular to the individual. Marx said that primtive societies only engaged in barter at their borders and outskirts. i.e. barter was for parties who did not trust each other. Otherwise there was collective tribal ownership. Read Capital Volume 1

>>1933650
The disgression of the universal equivalent is the ideology of the barter myth where the best choice for money is organically codefied in the qualities of the precious metals. As marx says, "Gold and silver are not by nature money, but money consists by its nature of gold and silver". This applies logic to the self-movement of gold, where in reality, gold only becomes money where the state makes it so. Commodity-money as UE is his dialectical concept, where even today, paper money has abolished this concept.
>barter myth is individual
Theoretically, but not actually.

Define capitalism op soto foghting against voices in your head

>>1932452
These people are just ignorant, modern science in many domains just openly says that
1) Barter wasn't how most ancient humans ran their society or even exchanged stuff between groups.
2) Even walking isn't "human nature", you have to learn to walk.
3) Humanity only exists because it creates unnatural conditions like fire, spears, and clothing. The human digestive system is very weak for our size and cannot support us without unnatural interventions like fire.

Even in the idealist liberal vein it only makes sense to go further and create even more unnatural conditions. Liberals fucking love the idea of terraforming Mars, it's not controversial to say this! But when it comes to changing society, their eyes open wide with fear, they start to sweat and throw random excuses. No wonder: it goes against everything they know and love.
The "leftists" that say "oh but we could use that money to pay our beloved murderers and bolster our educational system to fight the filthy Chinese" are even worse though.

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Can we all just acknowledge that 100% of terrorism cases in the West™ are false flags.
pic rel, an alleged muslim terrorist stabbing children in a park in Europe. Sloppy job mossad

let's be real. Every single case is entrapment like the whitmer alleged kidnapping https://theintercept.com/2023/12/18/fbi-nypd-catfishing-terrorism-sting-hamas/ or intelligence agencies
successfully committing terrorism like the Bataclan massacre and 9/11
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>>1933158
How do you know it's Mossad?

>>1933323
because this thread is saged now

why are the mods enforcing reddit level faith in the mainstream narrative surrounding mass murder. The intelligence agencies are killing people, the Las Vegas Shooting is a blatant example of a cover up. The death of the police investigator into the Bataclan massacre. the fact ISIS has never attacked an Israeli.

Comrades need to be fully aware of the fuckatry going on

>>1933761
Because jannies are redditors

>>1934347
the worst kind of redditor too. they sticky meme e-drama, while saging this thread
building 7 wasn't brought down by a fire, an engineering investigation by the University of Alaska proves this https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

University of Alaska! not some faint video of a dude ranting in a basement, not prison planet dot com.

The intelligence agencies are getting more and more bold. to deny their culpability is to be a flat earther



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You find the being Mikhail Gorbachev door on the thirteenth floor and you find yourself in Gorbachev's body in 1985. What do you do? How do you save the USSR?
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the Soviet Union wasn't an "experiment", it was a dictatorship of the proletariat. This pathetic cope to deal with the loss of the first successful proletarian revolution just leads to people deflecting from actual issues of the USSR (political, organizational, rhetorical and primarily economical) towards pointless fantasies of alternative history and narratives of consistent subversion from without, not within.
i would gove the premiership to Romanov and then kill myself btw.

>>1932349
>the Soviet Union wasn't an "experiment",
it was, thats literally what scientific socialism is

>>1932349
>the Soviet Union wasn't an "experiment"
Look. Im not reading the rest of your post but can you please just not. please. just. fucking helll. what even make someone like this i don't know.

Nothing short of a civil war / Cultural Revolution would have saved the Soviet Union at that point. The entire buraeucrat strata aka the bourgeois needed to die.

>>1933086
>>1933123
you're legitimately slow don't speak on anything since you've never, ever read a smattering of either theoretical or historical work. i can see through it and it is embarrassing. stop watching pedophilic youtubers or playing videogames and the dengism will disappear from your fat, first worlder body. sage everything, this website is full of mouthbreathers.



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If historical materialism is a science then it should be able to provide at least one robust counter-factual supporting historical law of the form "if A happens then B must happen" with an allowable ceteris parabus clause like "if none of these exceptions are in place". Can it?
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>>1932931

Marx’s LTV makes 11 novel predictions no other rival theory makes, and nearly all have been empirically validated:

1) a tendency for the value rate of profit to decline during long wave periods of expansion [a “novel fact” according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also, this tendency is not predicted by neoclassical economics]

2) the relative immiseration of the proletariat, i.e., an increase in the rate of surplus-value, as a secular trend [not predicted by neoclassical theory]

3) an inherent tendency toward technological change, as a secular trend [a “novel fact” according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also not predicted by neoclassical theory]

4) an increase in the physical ratio of machinery (and raw materials) to current labor, as a secular trend [not predicted by neoclassical theory — indeed, neoclassical theory cannot even provide an ex-post explanation of the causes of the observed increase in this ratio, because it cannot discriminate empirically between supply causes and demand causes]

5) a secular tendency for technological change to substitute machinery for labor even in capitalist economies which are “labor-abundant” or “capital scarce” [neoclassical theory, by contrast, seems to predict that labor abundant economies should be characterized by the widespread replacement of machinery with labor, both by “substitution” and perhaps by an induced “labor-saving” bias in technological change; however, the history of developing countries supports Marx’s prediction and contradicts neoclassical theory]

6) an inherent conflict between workers and capitalists over the length of the working day [a “novel fact” according to Lakatosian criteria in that the phenomenon was not explained by previous theories; also not predicted by neoclassical theory — indeed, the empirical evidence also contradicts the neoclassical theory of labor supply, according to which the working day is determined by the preferences of workers, because competition among firms forces them to accommodate workers’ preferences (according to this theory, there should be no conflict between firms and workers over the length of the working day, but competition has the opposite effect, forcing firms to resist attemptsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>1931300
>Empiricism

>>1932955
was this written by someone who thinks that verbose CTRL-C CTRL-V is impressive

>>1933051
it was written by ChatGPT

>>1933052
its a bit old for that



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