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 No.157791[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What is the proper gommie stance on immigration?

On one hand you have the neoliberal stance of open borders, on the other the /pol/tard stance of ethnostate with reverse immigration.

What is the socialist/communist stance on immigration? something in between? or something else entirely.
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 No.160335

>>157975
>america may be shit but I still don't want a bunch of muslims or any more jews moving over here.
I thought you were Canadian
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 No.160385

I advocate for white genocide of the US & Canada and of western europe.
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 No.161175

>>160326
>I assume anyone who thinks closed borders = good just sounds like a cop to me and I don't trust them
This
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 No.161182

Immigration is an inevitability of capitalism, and I can't say it is inherently a good or bad thing. It can be a completely neutral thing, a method to divide an existing working class and drive up labour competition (as Amazon has unfortunately studied), or a method to deprive developing countries of important specialist labour and keep them perpetually reliant on the core.

Most immigration issues seem to be fundamentally a distraction of the core causes of immigration and the problems caused by those exploiting it.
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 No.161196

>>157975
ask me how i know you’re an autist


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 No.157586[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>supporting the belief that a particular group, especially one determined by race, religion, or sex, is superior and should therefore dominate society.

Marxism is not progressivism.Progressivism believes in a utilitarian happiness maximizing view through state intervention into a market economy. Marxism is not about happiness maximizing, or generosity, or pitying workers, racial minorities, etc. and "gifting" them benefits because of empathy by a bleeding heart for someone who pities the weak. Marxism is strength, it is about WORKING CLASS SUPREMACY and the revolutionary genesis of a new society, through whatever means necessary.

Dictatorship of the proletariat means dictatorship of the poor, dictatorship of the masses over the elites and petit bourgeois.

Even today people are too spooked by thinking communism is some souped up version of progressivism, where shit is about empathy and love. Yes, empathy is a normal part of being human and we should all be empathetic. BUT that is not what revolutionary communism is about. It's about workers seizing power by whatever means necessary and making no apology for it because ITS OUR TIME.

In your mind from now on, when you hear socialist or communist you should mentally substitute WORKERS SUPREMACY
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 No.161082

>>161051
Stupidpol redditors were literally comparing doctors to slave owners in this very thread, the fuck you on about? I'm not a manager and I'm not using doctors as a shield for myself, I'm pointing out that there are people who think just like you that want to abolish doctors as a profession and have surgery done by amateurs instead.
See:
>>158337
>>158359
>>159529
retard arguing that scientists and doctors are enemies of proles
>>158397
Apparently specialist doctors are a total scam! This just in, brain surgery can be done by generalists!
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 No.161128

>>161055
>I am a proletarian who thinks you are retarded for wanting to abolish the scientist profession
I am a worker who thinks you are retarded for uncritically accepting the absurd straw man characterization of the very same arrogant management class hiding themselves behind people who produce and utilize thought-forms for public use.
>Your only response
/leftypol/ is more than one person. Much more.
>me being an evil PMC who's just in it for personal gain.
All managers are. People don't pursue the upper hand of a command relation without getting private benefit out of it.
>purposefully cause massive brain-drain by deskilling the most educated workers
>most educated workers
It's what the PMC did to us, you know. They took our skills, our lore, and our dignity, and they reduced us to mere motion. Are you familiar with the term Taylorism?
Why are you trying to defend the actual perps who stole the special relation between the proles and the MoP and commoditized it?
>muh science
Does your argument fail if you separate science (such as it is not simply capitalist reproduction) and management (which is nothing but)?

>>161082
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 No.161131

>>161128
> All managers are. People don't pursue the upper hand of a command relation without getting private benefit out of it.
That’s not true. There are people who do it because they consider the work to matter more or feel like they have a greater degree of self efficacy or control over their job in a managerial position. Hell, they might just think it’s cushier.

All of these are worthy of interrogation, but they’re not the same as management jobs having more opportunity for monetary or material gain.
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 No.161135

>>161128
>Upper PB
Bitch, what? Unless you’re in a private practice, you’re a labor aristocrat and more and more hospital owned doctors are on the rise.
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 No.161158

>>161128
>It's what the PMC did to us, you know. They took our skills, our lore, and our dignity, and they reduced us to mere motion. Are you familiar with the term Taylorism?
>Why are you trying to defend the actual perps who stole the special relation between the proles and the MoP and commoditized it?
Causing more brain drain as revenge against historic brain drain of the rank and file worker caused by Taylorism is not logical. It is stupid to purge all of the specialized, educated workforce and then re-train everyone else to do those things. It is much better to just train the rank and file for those specialized roles WITHOUT turning everyone who currently does such things under capitalism into lumpens.
>Does your argument fail if you separate science (such as it is not simply capitalist reproduction) and management (which is nothing but)?
????? the fuck are you even talking about? Of course my argument still stands. People who posted here before you wanted to abolish scientists, not just science as it relates to management, stating that all of science just exists to help cops oppress proles and shit. I'm saying that's kinda dumb.
>In the USA, doctors are upper pb or lower elite. As much as neoliberals hate thinking about it, humans have relations outside the point of production. Vulgar materialism reinforces neoliberal thought and one has to be careful.
Neoliberals aren't materialist, why would materialism reinforce neoliberal thought?
>That post was arguing against the use of doctors QUA CLINICIANS as a defense of doctors QUA MANAGERS. Almost all the anti-PMC arguments itt depend on that sleight-of-hand.
>That post was arguing against the use of doctors QUA CLINICIANS as a defense of doctors QUA MANAGERS. Almost all the anti-PMC arguments itt depend on that sleight-of-hand.
It was an argument against someone stating it's not possible for people to do surgery without specialized training, and that they personally would prefer for his doctor to have specialized knowledge relevant to the procedure rather than just being a rando with a knife who wants to cut them open. In this context, yes, it is absolutely an argument against doctors and not aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.139594[Reply]

How many leftist image/textboards are there? Could there be a sort of coalition between them like iichan did for anyone that remembers? For those who weren't there in the late mid 2000s, it was an effort to have a bunch of niche boards with specific themes band together. They had a similar frames.html linking each other.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121120170239/http://www.iichan.net/
https://web.archive.org/web/20151124172845/http://www.wakachan.org/
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 No.156257

>>141176
I've seen untold numbers of those, but they all disappear within a month typically. Heard it's all one guy who makes them.
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 No.156304

I feel like we're all just looking for a magical "/leftypol/ but less shit" board that isn't dead but somehow slipped past everyone's radars. It isn't gonna happen, folks. This is all we have.
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 No.161023

>>156304
And the ideas of how to make it less shit are, unfortunately, constrained by ideological scrupulosity and vicarious narcissism, basically all the politics of high school and academe, being acted out in shadow by people who will never rise above the rank of petty martinet and never contribute anything to the cause of human emancipation, except accidentally or to themselves.
The unfortunate fact is you need to make it a 21+ board because anyone under that age is objectively useless except as an energy source.
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 No.161151

>>147783
>lemmy.ml
tone policed radlib board
>raddle.me
will ban you for "ableism" if you say retarded
>chapo.chat
lol chapofags

why the fuck are you shilling these god forsaken hellholes on here? do you even know what board you're on?
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 No.161153

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>>147962
Some of them are.


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 No.153971[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

So a reddit user released a map of reddit examining subreddit's relation's to each other via 176 million reddit comments. The creator goes into more detail as to how he did it in the comments.

This is a perfect opportunity to see the state of the left and right on Reddit. There are 4 Clear political clusters. Starting from the biggest and most important to the least important.

>Left Ideological Cluster:Forms A cup Shaped tightly knitted together cluster starting from Democrats and liberals at the top right then rotating down and Left we get various TDS subreddits and Liberal ones. Right at the bottom of the cup there are the anti Alt-right ones.Then going upwards and Leftwards again we get various Breadtube and Enough___Spam subreddits, Finally we reach r/Socialism r/Communism and Anarchism directly opposite to the liberal side of the bowl. Above that is a dense Organizational Leftist network, consisting of IWW and many other

Leftbowl view:>
subreddits.https://anvaka.github.io/map-of-reddit/?x=337049.5563582337&y=439873.2654006976&z=21308.834077518128&q=PoliticalDiscussion

I'll continue in the comments.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mfmlho/oc_ive_made_an_interactive_map_of_reddit_based_on/
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 No.159905

>>153987
>>154007
reminder that r/firewater is the most based sub
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 No.160073

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>>158476
Braindead
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 No.161020

>stupidpol clearly orbiting leftist nexus
Sakaioids btfo
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 No.161058

>>161020
It's only close to breadtube.
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 No.161073

>>158476
Why do all these anti commies just come off as a bunch of lamers


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 No.160579[Reply]

is /leftypol/ growing? We seem to be averaging between 300 and 450 daily users most days
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 No.161033

>>160976
Well they actually know how to run a website. I don't care about their silly beliefs that much.
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 No.161038

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>>160976
get your mouth off caballo's dick faggot
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 No.161040

I just went to the site with the least amount of lag. Space neglected bunker and Dollars did everything to alienate the mods so that's that and this is this.
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 No.161041

>>161030
what? I've been browsing leftypol.org since the split and >>160818 is saying the exact same thing as socdem poster said then. I remember socdem poster constantly defending the nuking of bunkerchan once it happened
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 No.161042

Moved to >>>/meta/4102.


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 No.159505[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/why-not-fewer-voters/

>Much of the discussion about proposed changes to voting laws backed by many Republicans and generally opposed by Democrats begs the question and simply asserts that having more people vote is, ceteris paribus, a good thing. Why should we believe that? Why shouldn’t we believe the opposite? That the republic would be better served by having fewer — but better — voters? Many Americans, being devout egalitarians, recoil from the very notion of better voters as a matter of rhetoric, even as they accept qualifications as a matter of fact.


>There would be more voters if we made it easier to vote, and there would be more doctors if we didn’t require a license to practice medicine. The fact that we believe unqualified doctors to be a public menace but act as though unqualified voters were just stars in the splendid constellation of democracy


>Progressives and populists like to blame lobbyists, special interests, “the Swamp,” insiders, “the Establishment,” vested interests, shadowy corporate titans, and sundry boogeymen for our current straits, but the fact is that voters got us into this mess. Maybe the answer isn’t more voters.


>One argument for encouraging bigger turnout is that if more eligible voters go to the polls then the outcome will more closely reflect what the average American voter wants. That sounds like a wonderful thing . . . if you haven’t met the average American voter. Voters — individually and in majorities — are as apt to be wrong about things as right about them, often vote from low motives such as bigotry and spite, and very often are contentedly ignorant.


TLDR: Raise the voting age to 30, don't let felons vote, require ID, etc. and generally make voting harder because most voters are ignorant plebs and don't know how to run shit

What does /leftypol/ think of this take?
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 No.160682

>>160679
If sortion reflects broader societal views then what is the point of them. Just do referenda. Futher the wider societal views are generally anti-communist and easily manipulated by those with media control.

>Referendums have pretty consistently ended up being to the Left of elected politicians


Also womp womp WRONG.And irrelevant

See California vote on gay marrige
See Switzerland votes on migration and issues surrounding Muslims

Further this is irrelevant as within a socialist society. Those to the "left" of the ruling party can often be the biggest wreckers.

All elections are legitimisation tools for those who control the tools of manipulation, most prominently media. Nothing more nothing less.
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 No.160686

End the vooting system

the leader of Burgerland will be decided by a cagefight

Sleepy Joe can have Phony Kamala substitute for him if he wishes
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 No.160693

>>160682
For the same reason we don't have everyone do jury duty for every case it's impractical if it was practical than it would be ideal
Migration is against workers interest and is consistently pushed by neolibs so good for the switz. The other shit is cultural and theirs nothing saying elected officials or party members would be less reactionary. If california voting against gays is so bad then why empower a Stalin to do the same? "It's a different time" ok hold a referendum on gay marriage today it'll probably pass around the country and certainly in Cali
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 No.160807

Socialism needs a King
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 No.160808

>>160807
Go tend to your people, Kim


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 No.158995[Reply]

Hitler and the Nazi party were funded by Zionist bankers, according to Heinrich Brüning, who was a conservative christian Chancellor of the German Reich in the 1930's.
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 No.160650

>>160647
Just saw it randomly on my feed the other day. Not from here but we should steal the idea.
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 No.160670

>>160644
kek, this is great.
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 No.160678

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>>160644
Could work, /pol/ tards actually agree with the literal Frankfurt school when you put Reactionnaries's pictures on Adorno quotes.
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 No.160680

>>160678
Hahahahaha
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 No.160688

Moved to >>>/b/26799.


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 No.147471[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

According to this article of the World Economic Forum, the ultimate goal of the Great Reset is to overcome the current capitalist system, into a new type of capitalism: Stakeholder Capitalism, which is the fusion of Socialism and Capitalism!
>1. Capitalism and socialism will need to merge
>Firstly, the slow death of capitalism does not equate to a resurgence of communism. However, rethinking capitalism, or giving capitalism a “Great Reset” as World Economic Forum Chairman Klaus Schwab has suggested, means that capitalism and socialism will need to merge to create a productive and inclusive economic and social model.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/great-reset-must-place-social-justice-centre/

Are we heading towards a third-positionist future? Global Corporatism? Does it matter, if the cat is black or white?
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 No.148749

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 No.160257

You are pants on head retarded if you think porky would ever concede near as much as you are capable of taking through force
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 No.160625

>>147488
>>147583
>Define socialism
In crudest sense, worker control of production. Not control of the workplace, but the actual production quotas. Mondragon is a meme. They are still controlled 100% by the market and its signals. True socialism can only come from a fully planed economy where people have a direct say over the contents of the plan. Such a planned economy that also has no unions or workplace rights is still more socialist than the liberal fever dream of "Let's have all companies be coops". A coop is just as much socially destructive as a corp, because both of them are one and the same, except in the first one all workers are a collective proky, instead of a singular one.
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 No.160639

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 No.160651

>>147471
retarded shit by people with no idea how the world operate

>>147498
>the great reset is a real bourgeois ideology
like fukuyama end of history, doesnt mean it makes sense or that all porkies are in agreement over this


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 No.160543[Reply]

I’m an unironic divinialist-extraphysicist-quantumist-soulist…

The first step is the abolition of the physical laws, then the second is the full access to the quantum potential of everything for possibility the freedom of the matter, like with the techno-quantum purity and the quantum matter purity, the third one is the abolition of matter itself, where all matter become extramatter or better saying, materialized spiritual energy that can become non-materialized at will, and the last step is becoming full divine, in other words, having the full access to its divine potential and being able to control everything, such as the whole existence this one are.

Long live the soul… Death to hierarchy!
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 No.160551

>>160549
Tier 0 is based, Tier -1 and Tiers 2-7 both suck in their own ways.
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 No.160552

>>160551
What about Tier 1?
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 No.160555

>>160551
>>160552
Actualoly nvm, after reading it again, I'd say Tier 2 is most accurate, Tier 1 is second most accurate, Tier 0 is 3rd most accurate, and the rest are complete garbage.
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 No.160556

>>160555 (me)
Self cheka'd and I also think 3-7 are controlled opposition to make 1 and 2 (the truth) look bad and to get people to believe in -1 and 0.
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 No.160571

Moved to >>>/b/26763.


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 No.160386[Reply]

what do you make of it?
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 No.160512

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>>160491
>>160494
It's interesting that Infrared had Fan Wennan, the "people's punk" graphic designer from China on months ago:

https://www.artstation.com/nangesfg

Because it kinda reminded me of Wandering Earth which I think deliberately tries to put forward a positive and moral value system for young people combined with a futuristic vision. The working class rules the world now, and it's a classless society – there are no indications that there are class distinctions between people. It's like: people working together, and working hard but the work is meaningful and they cooperate. Plus: epic / awesome stuff. I like that vision in socialism.

Heroes come from the people. These right-wing memes love their leaders and strongman figures with traditional symbols of authority / command, but I think that comes from a bad value system.
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 No.160514

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 No.160522

>>160386
>Hitler
<the only time he caught a Rothschild he let him go for some shekels
>any communist worth their salt
<burn capitalist factories for fun
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 No.160524

>>160512
It was a ‘China saves the day’ and much family story. Like that monologue about New Years Eve was peak cringe.
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 No.160525

Moved to >>>/b/26712.


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