/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>1277997
>>1277998
Plato and Spinoza are way more related than Aristotle, Spinoza is intellectually a descendent of neoplatonism

>>1278030
>Spinoza is intellectually a descendent of neoplatonism
Very wrong

>>1278196
not really.

Plato is not the same as neoplatonism which was a separate school of thought which expanded Plato's thought, and influenced Christian, Jewish, and Muslim thinkers during the middle ages.

There's a correspondence between the neoplatonic idea of "the one" and Spinoza's idea of substance as a unitary entity. As someone who was raised and lived to the age of 24 as an orthodox Jew, Spinoza was exposed to neoplatonist kabbalist jewish thinkers, esp. Maimonides who was a sephardic jew (like Spinoza). Maimonides was an adherent of apophatic theology. In this theology, one attempts to describe God through negative attributes. Maimonides argued that God is not corporeal. This was central to his thinking about the sin of idolatry. Maimonides insisted that all of the anthropomorphic phrases pertaining to God in sacred texts are to be interpreted metaphorically. This directly ties into Spinoza's concept of determination as negation as well as his ontological views on God.

Spinozism should be thought of as the marriage of neoplatonic jewish kabbalistic mysticism and a cartesian mode of exposition (the geometrical method), using cartesian/euclidian geometrical methods to exposit a monist, neoplatonist metaphysics.

>>1278309
there certainly is a strong Platonic (or, perhaps more accurately, Neoplatonic) flavour to Spinoza's metaphysics. Spinoza's substance was, first and foremost, supposed to be eternal and intelligible, and, as such, it would be likely to appeal to a Platonist. When Spinoza said that God was extended, a lot of his contemporaries took him to be saying that God was corporeal: but what he had in mind was really much closer to the uncreated and immutable Platonic Form of extension than to the created and ever-changing extensions that were commonly ascribed to bodies.

You are correct to say that in many respects, Spinoza's God is a lot like the Neoplatonic concept of The One, which the Neoplatonists themselves would normally equate with God. And this is not just true of Spinoza's God as considered purely in its own right, but is to some extent also true of it when considered in relation to the sensible world. Although Spinoza perhaps pressed a little bit further in the direction of pantheism than the Neoplatonists themselves did, that theme was present in their writings too. It was standard for Neoplatonists to claim that the world was an emanation from The One and, although this notion of 'emanation' can be variously interpreted, what is pretty clear is that it was not to be understood as the sort of voluntary creative act that more orthodox theology would require. And some Neoplatonically-inclined authors did go some considerable way in undermining the ontological separation between The One and the sensible world. In such Medieval authors as John Scottus Eriugena and Nicholas of Cusa, for instance, one finds the notion that God is the 'enfolding' of all things, while the universe is the 'unfolding' of God. This is a notion with which Spinoza would have been entirely comfortable.

>>1278157
i am afraid they do

>>1278159
ok but at least leftoids go like
>once Amazon conquers the world economy all we have to do is nationalize it
but even that makes way more sense than this, like what is there to do? Disney will start to churn out propaganda for killing transpeople and calling for murdering the owners of your local Chinese takeout restaurant?

smartest /pol/ user alive

>>1278161
Amazon has some central planning going on soviet apparatchiks only dreamed of and those leftoid burger soviet cargo cultists will establish the popular republic of Walmart, because marxism is when the commodity form is nationalized

>>1278157
Engels says as much about monopolization in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.

Cop28 in Dubai: A convenient cover for state repression
One of the oddities of this month’s Cop27 climate conference was the paucity of western media coverage of Egypt’s brutal human rights record. By virtue of his being a UK citizen, the cause of jailed activist Alaa Abd el-Fattah secured a certain level of awareness, and that is a good thing. He is a hugely courageous fighter who deserves far more than the tepid support he and his family have received from the British government.  But Fattah is just one among an estimated 60,000 political prisoners detained in awful conditions in the complex of prisons that the Egyptian regime uses to crush dissent. And while his hunger strike and decision to stop drinking water - which could have led to his death - focused the media’s attention, there has been scarcely a mention of the thousands of other unnamed prisoners. Or the millions more who are denied basic freedoms in one of the world’s most repressive states. Contrast the dearth of media coverage of human rights concerns in Egypt with the storm of criticism that has descended on Qatar amid the 2022 World Cup. It was, perhaps, inevitable that one of the world’s biggest sporting events, taking place in a Muslim Middle Eastern state for the first time, would attract rigorous attention - some of it fair, some of it most assuredly not. And next year, Dubai will host Cop28. The UAE surely knows that climate change is a great instrument to weaponise, providing a comfortable cover for authoritarian regimes to hide human rights abuses while presenting a facade of concern and commitment to tackling global environmental crises.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/cop-dubai-state-repression-convenient-cover

CP of Turkey, Turkey’s problems are to be found inside Turkey - Statement of TKP Central Committee on the air strikes of Turkish Armed Forces on Kurdish settlements in Syria and Iraq
Following the bombing attack on Istanbul’s Istiklal Street last week, the Turkish Armed Forces has been conducting air strikes on Kurdish settlements in Syria and Iraq since last night. Alleging that this operation is carried out on the pretext of “defense”, the AKP government is once again concealing the truth. For years, the AKP government has riddled the borders of neighbouring coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Dominicans try not to be racist speedrun any%

Thanks News Anon

>>1277596
>For the second straight year, President Biden and his family will spend Thanksgiving at the Nantucket home of private-equity billionaire David Rubenstein
i hate this guy already

Pointless thread tbh

>>1274122
if i have kids someday i will forbid them from playing geo-political simulators

>>1274122
1

>>1274722
You can easily fix the broken US economy with 1.4 billion people whereas you can't maintain the Chinese one with only 143 million

neither, because the American economy and American military complex are both very parasitic and quite unoptimal

imagine the following guys. there is another planet, not as hospitable as earth.
would you rather
1) eat strawberry cheesecake tooth paste
2)or sing a song to the rythm of an endlessly falling atom?

btw ideology doesnt matter but only those who love freedom and democracy should vote

>>1276735
Being someone who stand themselves with knives while convincing doing so makes them better than anyone else and while making less than most people makes you retarded.

You're like some weird motorhead who claims real stuck enthousiasts drive 1950s ford cornfukkers because you can drive in 5th gear in reverse with it, while you don't make money because unlike modern trucks you can only haul 2 crates of apples at a time and go 60 kmh. But hey, at least you program in C, instead of making money programming an easier language.

>>1276707
>I'm a senior react developer
Laughs in firmware

>>1276539
females don't exist on the internet except on McMedia let alone imageboards

>>1276518
Jobs without a guaranteed minimum wage are bullshit, if you could actually make money in them then they wouldn't pay you on commission, they only do because they know you can't.

>>1276704
>ad hominem tantrum is good because my favourite celebrity wrote it
Your appeal to authority is worth nothing here. Marx wrote some good things and he wrote some absolute shit things too.

>>1276704
stirner was just engels trolling marx retard

You sell your time to a capitalist, depend on them for living and have no control over the mop.
You're proletariat, even if you can fool the boss a bit.

Remember that Marx talked about surplus rate in an aggregate way, e.g. it's not one worker slacking about, it's the entire firm that is exploiting and reinvesting surplus value.

>>1271146
>nah, they are spitting facts. maoists are enemies of the state, see 2018 arrests.

enemies of the state is not the same thing as enemies of the bourgeoisie

>there are valid reasons china diverged from mao.

glad you're at least willing to admit that the reasons are valid

>don't take it personally as an insult.

i don't

> but it's no longer run the same way as maoist ideology.

because the global economy is imperialist and capitalist and china has to play ball in that context. But I will never draw a false equivalency between a capitalist economy with a governing Marxist-Leninist party and billionaires on a very short leash (China) and a global empire governed by two capitalist parties and over 800 offshore military bases that has never executed a single billionaire for anything (the USA)

>>1271093
Other than breaking a few windows, some people climbed a wall when they could have just walked through the barriers the police opened for them, and stealing a speakers podium, what exactly happened?

I know you liberals will find any reason for why that particular protest was the most evil thing in history, but do elaborate.

>>1264925
occam’s razor applies here

>>1271034
here's your gay superheros bros

I fucking love coffee ☕

It could have limited effect as performance art, but you cannot really expect people occupy the fronts of every starbucks and do that shit. I'd rather try to just spread a culture of people bringing their own coffee to places and sharing and stuff.

Socialism is when you sell branded commodities to people and change the world through marketing campaigns.

starbucks is an experience, so even if one could supply the coffee part, there's still the cafe atmosphere upper class people oftentimes chill at

>>1274952
>Why not brew and sell Zapatista coffee out the front and sell it at a lower non-for-profit price, or hand it out for free?
Great idea bro try it out and tell us how it worked

>>1277195
can anyone check if this is true or not because i dont think i should trust a blog site, where the blog stopped existing

>>1277195
All right, here's your resident Wop. Let me clarify the issue:
under Benito, a "corporazione" was in fact a state-mandated guild or trade union requiring everyone operating in a certain economic sector to join, regardless of them being employers or emlpoyees. So this is obviously not what Americans, English and sundry Anglophones call a "corporation", i.e. a firm, a company, a business, especially a very big and powerful one.
Now, the word "corporazione" in a political sense wasn't invented by Benito or some other of his fascist thugs, but it's actually a kind of political and economic institution going back to the Middle Ages and the birth of relatively independent and relatively representative bodies in the government of various cities and towns. In English, such bodies are often called "guilds", but considering they existed and evolved through many centuries and in many different places, many different names for the stuff existed. That applied also for other languages and Italian was no exception, so there were "corporazioni", "arti", "mestieri", "gilde" and so on, but fundamentally we are talking about the same kind of thing.
That said, under Benito, as I said, they were state-mandated organisations used to quell any kind of independent and substantial labour demand and to resolve any dispute in favour of capital. At one point in the late 1930s, the legislative branch of the state was reformed. The old House of Representatives that originated in the old liberal regime was in place until 1939 or so, even if after 1925 every party except the fascist one were banned and the phony elections held every five years were just for voters to approve a list of candidates personally vetted by Benito. In its place, a new house of fasci e corporazioni was created whose membership was elected inside both the fascist party and the "corporazioni", of course after the candidates were vetted and approved by Benito or some other grandee he delegated.
Fundamentally it was a ruse to give the appearance labour had a fair representation and the state wasn't just a plain dictatorship of baton wielding gorillas doing the industrialists' and the agrarians' bidding.

So, long story short, this Paulson guy is right in his remark.

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>>1277378
thank you

>>1277195
>>1277198
I can confirm what >>1277378 said. Mussolini referenced "corporativism" which was born in the mid XIX century as a "third way" between liberalism and marxism.

>>1277417
You're welcome, context anon.

>>1277418
To further expand on that, various strands of thought have advocated for those kinds of "third ways". For example the Catholic Church adopted an official "ideology" with the papal encyclical "Rerum Novarum" in 1891 opposing both socialism and capitalism - at least in its more liberal and laissez-faire form. Then there were plenty of forms of "syndicalism" with similar views. It shouldn't be forgotten that many of the early fascists had a political past in socialism and revolutionary syndicalism and that later, when they took power, they took the opportunity to resolve the old conflict between the monarchical liberal regime that unified Italy in the mid 1800s and the church, that had been removed from temporal power in Rome at the end of the process and had been butthurt ever since, while also posing as the reconciliators of capital and labour by building an alternative both to the "plutocratic" (and, after 1938, "Jewish") liberal democracies and the communist Soviet Union.
But, my friends, the ways of dialectics are really endless, strange, misterious and inscrutable and today we have this…

Galeotta fu la maglietta! E non ha neanche fatto in tempo a dire
>Spezzeremo le reni a Zazzaroni!

>>1267322
Vabbè ma se abbiamo accettato che in ucraina non sono nazi, che quelli di FdI non sono fascisti, perché non dovremmo accettare che Montesano sia solo un collezionista di t-shirt con una passione per il latino?

>>1267977
>Vabbè ma se abbiamo accettato che in ucraina non sono nazi,
Ma che dici! Sono l'ultimo baluardo della civiltà occidentale contro il dispotismo asiatico!
>che quelli di FdI non sono fascisti,
Ma che dici! Sono nazional-conservatori!
>perché non dovremmo accettare che Montesano sia solo un collezionista di t-shirt con una passione per il latino?
Beh, i guai con le magliette de "er Pomata" non sono iniziati questa settimana…
https://www.iltempo.it/spettacoli-tv/2020/10/20/news/enrico-montesano-magliette-febbre-da-cavallo-battaglai-legale-negazionista-covid-mascherina-24943575/

Oggi è venuto meno il "barbaro sognante" e organista dei Distretto 51.
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>>1277422
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Uno dei più lerci, spero che altri leghisti lo seguano.