/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I like to watch the plane going in
I like to watch the flames shooting out

also Qin Shi Huang

Robespierre ran headfirst into the ideological limits of liberalism. Louis Antoine de Saint-just penned the revolutionary constitution of 1793 and enshrined the right of the individual to exist despite much resistance. Georges Couthon because he crippled himself fucking too much and ordered churches destroy to be used as building materials for housing. None of these men would like communism, but they damn well tried to make liberalism live up to its principles, even concluding the rich would betray their revolution, and defending the Haitian revolution where their compatriots did not.

>>2631874
So robespierre was a zealot who got used by the bourgeois?

>>2631878
yeah, there's a growing consensus that he got hung out to dry by the rest of the government and part of that was that the other bourgeois thought he was annoying and also couldn't trust him because he actually wasn't corrupt which in that day and age whichever side you were on was outright freakish.

>>2629149
yeah for me those glowies fuck should clearly be banned on sight and their constant shitting up of the threads make me question the moderation

>>2629189
yeah honestly I still havent seen any criticism of maduro that wasnt "hes BAD and INCOMPETENT and his regime is CORRUPT" without any actual argument. What actual policy should he have done?

>>2629194
>bad currency management
oh yes I'm sure the US financial markets have absolutely nothing to do with this, and they're absolutely not connected to the government. Financial and commercial warfare? Whats this? Only when they announce the sanctions they're actually doing it!

>>2629208
>as a supposedly communist government
they're not communists
its more a radical socdem / national liberation vibe, although they claim to be socialists

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>>2629154
Stalin would have supported the USSR against dissolution, then after that happened, he would have supported former warsaw pact nations against "democratic" NATO expansion. Remember Ukraine also joined the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a NATO member. So he would have supported Iraq against the NATO coalition + Ukraine. He would have supported Ukraine against Euromaidan and Poroshenko's US backed coup. He would support Donbass and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime, and finally he would support Russia, Donbass, and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime and NATO expansion.

>>2629247
>they do not care about playing politics, it's all just spewing hatred at West/America/White people
I think you spend too much of your life on twitter and polyp spaces

>simping for every terrible asshole in the world
<anti-imperialism is "simping for every terrible asshole in the world"
<you should just accept the imperial narrative, im sure it wont bite you in the ass
ok glowie

>Does this occur to most Socialists though
you're just an ignorant idiot. You really think it didnt occur to anyone you fucking idiot? "Just split up the Atlanticist Western bloc bro". Even trump with all the might of his retard strength and open domination still hasnt managed to make eurobitches try to gain some independence, instead they fight among themselves to be the bottom bitch, thinking the minuscule communist multipolarist force could accomplish it (and yet they still try to agitate in that direction) is being completely deluded to the actual situation (which probably sum you up well).
also conflating "the left" "socialists" and "multipolarists" is ridiculous, those are not the same

>>2629154
If anything Stalin would've organized an overthrow of Georgia and form the Soviet Republic of Transcaucasia before supporting Russia or Ukraine. Soviet first

>>2629313
>Unconditional support to hurricanes
bro prays for bad weather and calls himself marxist

>>2631699
the russian government as it currently exists is a creation of NATO meddling in the first place. "Agency" discourse goes out the window when we're talking about byproducts of unipolar hegemony and overwhelming force.

>>2631702
Comparing Bolivia to Russia is like comparing a kitchen knife to a nuclear bomb
>>2631703
Clearly its not so unipolar if NATO is losing its proxy war

>>2631703
>agency discourse
jfc

>>2631699
i would characterize the ukraine conflict less as an "inter imperialist war" between russia and nato and more as as a conflict between a no-longer-obedient comprador bourgeoisie (russia) and a still-obedient comprador bourgeoisie (ukraine)
>>2631704
>Clearly its not so unipolar if NATO is losing its proxy war
yeah the age of unipolarity is dying, but russia as it currently exists is a byproduct of when that hegemony is unchallenged. You cry at the turning point. I've given you the timeline. Let me give it to you again. You ignore everything 1991 to 2022 and cry only about february 2022 onward. that is what the "zigger zigger zigger" nonsense is meant to do, flatten the real history in which the overwhelming responsibility for this conflict is NATO meddling, and blame it on russia. or, in the more clever version, call it an "inter imperialist war" between NATO and the people anti-"ziggers" were calling "a glorified gas station" just before the war.
>>2631705
why are you acting annoyed? it's a real thing. it's a common talking point. US meddles somewhere, and the mouthpieces of the billionaires say no, "the people" have rejected "the regime" and you need to respect their "agency."

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Trump says Venezuela will turn over 30 million to 50 million barrels of oil to US
A senior administration official, speaking under condition of anonymity, told CNN that the oil has already been produced and put in barrels. The majority of it is currently on boats and will now go to US facilities in the Gulf to be refined. Although 30 to 50 million barrels of oil sounds like a lot, the United States consumed just over 20 million barrels of oil per day over the past month.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/06/business/venezuela-turning-over-oil-trump
https://archive.ph/4Uex8

Trump to huddle with U.S. oil executives Friday on Venezuela
Convincing the industry could be a heavy lift amid uncertainty about legal and fiscal regimes, security, as well as modest prices and opportunities elsewhere. Friday's meeting is expected to include representatives from Chevron, Exxon and ConocoPhillips, the Wall Street Journal reports. The companies have said little to nothing publicly about any potential plans for Venezuela.
https://www.axios.com/2026/01/07/trump-oil-executives-venezuela
https://archive.ph/tZic7

US builds case to retain measles elimination status as infections mount
U.S. officials are building a case that ongoing measles outbreaks in South Carolina and other states are unrelated to last year's major outbreak in Texas, as it tries to retain its status of having eliminated the disease after recording the highest number of confirmed infections in three decades. To be considered measles-free by the World Health Organization, a country must have no locally transmitted cases of the same strain for 12 months or longer.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-builds-case-retain-measles-elimination-status-infections-mount-2026-01-06/

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CP of Venezuela, Joint Statement by Communist and Workers’ Parties: Down with the Imperialist boot in Venezuela and Latin America!
The operation included the illegal and violent arrest, transfer, and imprisonment in the USA of Nicolás Maduro and Cilia Flores, an unacceptable and reprehensible act that violates every concept of international law, effectively rendering it meaningless. Consequently, we demand his immediate release. This attack is not an isolated incident, but rather the culmination of years of sanctions, threats, blockades, and destabilization efforts. The real objective was never the defence of human rights, nor the supposed fight against drug trafficking, nor the rhetoric of “democracy”, all of which serve merely as pretexts. The true aim has been the direct imposition of the geopolitical and economic interests of US imperialism in Venezuela and the region, within the context of the struggle among capitalist powers for control over energy resources, strategic raw materials, trade routes, and markets.
https://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Venezuela-Joint-Statement-by-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-Down-with-the-Imperialist-boot-in-Venezuela-and-Latin-America/

What’s Next for Venezuela and What Can You Do About It?
In this article, I examine the motivations for Trump’s attack in the context of a new cold war with China, the immediate prospects for Venezuela, and the need for a strong anti-imperialist movement in the United States. The forceful removal of Maduro should be interpreted as the first step in implementing Trump’s National Security Strategy, which calls for a regroupment of military forces to the Western Hemisphere, at the same time pointing to a renewed push for domination in the region, as well as a recognition of its limits as world hegemon. A more aggressive policy toward Latin America will face resistance from within the United States and from the region’s social movements, labor, and left organizations.
https://www.leftvoice.org/whats-next-for-venezuela-and-what-can-you-do-about-it/

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Comrades I fucking dig Petro's writing/speech style, especially lately. I don't think he's exaggerating, rather saying exactly how he feels, filled with revolutionary rage in reaction to this situation (which is also so refreshing, within the context of contemporary world-leaders).
Could the second Trump Admin. be inadvertently igniting a second revolutionary wave across the Caribbean, stretching to Mexico? I mean they really are bafflingly buffoonish with the threats to Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico and basically all mestizo latinamerican populations, who they have/are targeting with the inflammatory and racist "illegal alien" campaigning.
ELN and Venezuelan armed groups already have historic/current ties.
Petro has a personal guerilla history.
Cuba and Nicaragua just there, in the middle of all of this, deep zones of revolutionary socialist militancy. Mexico's history simply as a bourgeois state is riddled with US rivalry and war, it's capital is in the middle of its landmass and a multitude of militant socialist currents exist there.

>>2631502
How strange, innocence

Can an actual Pannekoekist on this board give me a crash course on CouncilCom please?

>>2566699
>Anarcho-Synndicaliam
Proto fascism

>>>What do we think of

USSR: (max) 75 years
Anarchism: (max) 5 years.

lmao, etc.

Go kys anarchos

>>2575998
>anarchism isn't an active movement
yet rojava, and Zapatista remain.
>>2617067
So you know how Yugoslavia had worker self-management and managers were elected inside specfic industries? Or how in the early USSR local soviets held a lot of political power? Its like that but more democratic and they aren't appointed by the state, infact the state doesn't exist and instead its a series of soviets organizated amongst each other. Although it should be noted I probably need to read more from Pannekoek and im oversimplifing
>>2617107
More like only 6 years of the USSR ever actually served the interests of the working class, again if it isn't obvious the Vanguard became the new ruling class.

>>2631209
Central state*

Trump knows meek pink tiders or timid islamoids would never use nukes against their class anyway, can't bomb western cities without hitting fascists, CEOs and the stock market, big no no for social demoncrats.

>>2627783
keep coping yank you lost

>>2627783
trvke

>>2627908
Somewhat ahistorical. They didn't even run a nuclear test until the 2000s. Sure they built breeder reactors

>>2627907
>Why did they prop up Syngman Rhee, fuck with elections, and commit the No Gun Ri massacre? Vibes? fun? Practice?
Second military vassal to threaten China and Soviets with.

>>2627674
how is OP wrong though

>1928-9 USSR: Great Break, sudden annihilation of kulaks as a class, 'Second October'


What is the lesson? It is that althrough threats of overthrow created by new class of capitalists and 'nepmen' is real, as long as the Communist Party holds power, it is POLITICALLY SOCIALIST. People who harp about PRC and claim it is not socialist do not understand Lenin made concessions and retreats that were not any less than those made by Deng Xiaoping. 'China has stock markets/wage labor/value form' whatever shit raised by fake marxists who not only dispute economical but also political form are going against Lenin.

>>2630912
You are right but this has been settled so many times now it was hardly worth a new thread. See >>2628979

Another bourgie Dengist historical revisionism thread, eh? Let's contradict that!

<Lenin:
a. How long did the NEP last?
b. What did Lenin say about the burgeoning bureaucracy and about it wielding something?
<Mao:
a. While the CPC under Mao's leadership (the pupils of the just successful anti-fascist USSR, collectivized, industrialized, centrally planned, before supercomputers) focused on both social and material conditions, what did Mao think Deng's perspective lacked and the consequences of downplaying one?
b. According to the CPC during 1950s-to-1960s, what are the adverse consequences to socialist internationalism by adopting a rightist and social-imperialist line, first emerging in the CPSU with Khrushchev's clique, then also being struggled against in the PRC?
c. Why was the Cultural Revolution started?
d. What are some of Mao's final statements on Deng near the end of Mao's life?
e. What differentiates Chinese foreign policy from the 50s to mid 70s vs late 70s to today?

Bonus
<Xi:
a. If the CPC several years under the leadership of Xi Jinping in 2017 tried to strip the DPRK of its main method of defending itself, nuclear armaments, in chorus with the G7/NATO imperialists; what in US-China relations changed in 2018 that made China less interested? And does that reflect a deeply set bourgeois (profit motive, competing capitals) vs proletarian (revolutionary, socialist) internationalism guiding their overall strategy?

>>2631215
> What are some of Mao's final statements on Deng near the end of Mao's life?
Mao was senile, and Deng tricked the yanks into giving up the productive forces. Had Deng lost, China would have continued to make the same ultra left mistakes of some of the GPCR and been CIA couped unceremoniously in the 80s and become something like the Russian federation instead of what it is today.

>>2631314
>Mao was senile
The adhom/distraction always used to not study a crucial part of the materialist history of socialism in the world-historical Chinese revolution; the Cultural Revolution.
Let me guess, the Deepseek and Qwen content blocks prevented you from giving an answer?
>Deng tricked the yanks into giving up the productive forces
Sorry anon but transnational capital actually owns and controls their corporations on Chinese soil. They also have made immense profits from the rightist CPC traitors prostituting the Chinese proletariat. Clearly you thought differently, that the PRC was a planned economy, like DPRK. That's false.
>Had Deng lost [alternative history]
Irrelevant and embarrassing.

0/8: You have failed the basic test of historical materialism and are wholly ineligible for Party work.

female stalin so baddd bro

>>2631003
ong stalina crush my balls

>>2630628
yes Made in Abyss is for people with bad taste

>>2630555
i'm just noticing

>>2630646
>>I misunderstood
you still dont understand what "slop" means lmfao im sorry its not just when you dont like something

>>2631007
nta.
someone made a real definition of the word ? I thought it was just about vibes

>>2588624

you are correct.

But I also heard that in the former Eastern Bloc it was felt that improving the state into perfection was the path towards communism. In my view that seems totalitarian.

>>2588540
Yes but unironically. Nazism needs to be eradicated on a genetic level.

>>2588642

It is indeed totalitarian conceptually.

For a Proletarian Dictatorship to truly triumph, it must come to encompass all of society; Nothing must be outside it or against it.

And it is by this process, as OP hinted at, that the state itself, defined in the Marxist sense as the instrument of class power itself can wither away.

The yet harder pill to swallow is that any totalitarian state almost also itself come to resemble something close to Proletarian Dictatorship. That is to say class collaborationism will never actually achieve what the corporatists say they want it to achieve (comprehensive social harmony analogous to a healthy body); Only something resembling the Dictatorship of the Proletariat can ever hope to lead to anything close to such an outcome.

anarchism was an antisemitic mistake

>>2588516
this doesnt make sense