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The fact of the matter is that in most, if not all, Arab and Muslim countries, women are discriminated against as a matter of course, from citizenship laws to inheritance to paternalistic familial structures and domestic abuse. This is clearly not a purely Muslim or Arab affair, since, with perhaps the exception of Scandinavia, it exists in various degrees throughout the world. But the fact of the matter is that even if it’s often used as a pro-Israel or neocon club to bludgeon Arabs on other, unrelated issues like the Israel/Palestine conflict, that doesn’t make the charge less true.

I look at it as being similar to Soviet charges against US treatment of black citizens. Did pointing out the Jim Crow laws make Siberian gulags or Eastern European oppression any more acceptable? Of course not, although it may have scored Moscow some points in the world arena by pointing out American hypocrisy. At the end of the day, though, the answer to Stalinist accusations of racism should have been the civil rights movement, not a denial of segregation. Likewise, to my mind, the oppression of women and minorities and homosexuals in the Mideast is not directly related to the Arab/Israeli conflict, but it is very important to me, and I don’t see that there’s any contradiction in my struggle to fight for my wife’s right to marry who she pleases, legally own land and work at any job she wants to in Lebanon and her right to return to and live in Haifa.

I don’t think that the knee-jerk reaction that many people, especially those who don’t live in the region, have to dismiss any and all criticism of Arab or Muslim states and/or societies as hasbara for Israel is helpful at all. In fact, it plays into the rhetoric of pro west puppet Arab states that justifies theocratic apartheid tier laws in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and censorship laws where literally slavery is legal. For my part, an equitable solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict should be about self determination for Palestinians, not about supporting an overarching religion at all cost.

The point is not to attack Islam it is to not pretend it is some noble cause above all. Its okay to critique, it's not perfect, especially as a Marxist it is okay to do so.
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>>2277858
Evidence??
Did you consider that it was real in their mind?

This whole thread is funny because if you've posted on /leftypol/ for atleast a week you'd know that /leftypol/ has made fun of Sakaists and Third Worldists for the past 8 years or so. Which means that all those posters bemoaning the Third Worldist boogeyman ON /LEFTYPOL/ of all places are either /pol/ tourists or straight up shills.

>>2277893 (me)
I mean, those shills don't even use the terms 'Third Worldist' or 'Sakaist'. They don't even know basic online communist terminology, OP and his shill fellas would've used one of those terms atleast once if he was from here.

>>2277893
They're called turdworldists

its the same as the other thread they think basic marxism is "third worldism" by which they mean campism which they think is opposition to communist revolution in all cases when its really critical support against colonialism in places where the communist movement is too weak to do anything or non-existent



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Do you people have any concept of just how much we're fucking winning? In our darkest days here in America, where it seems like everything is falling part. Where it seems like the left is completely buckbroken. Defeated. Destroyed. Splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered into the wind, to paraphrase JFK. In a world where everything seems to be racebait, gaybait, genderbait, religionbait or some other form of asinine culturebait. And no matter what side it is coming from.

In the world of Trump. Of tariffs. Of "America 1st". Of returning Christian nationalism. Of 300 billion dollar billionaires standing on stage and doing nazi salutes in the open, with millions and millions of ordinary Americans clamoring to defend them. In a world where social security, foodstamps and medicaid are all on the chopping block and getting hacked to bits. In a world of anger and confusion. In a world where the capitalist big tech algorithms and the capitalist mainstream media has American's minds cooked so welldone and so fully, that they actually believe billionaires are pushing "a leftist agenda!" on them. In this world where no one knows anything but they all still seem to think they know everything.

Do have any concept of just how much we are fucking winning? Because AMERICA is the seat of capitalism and far right politics in this world. And AMERICA is collapsing. Because all of these things I am talking about above are not happening as the result of AMERICANS living in a healthy, fruitful society but the total opposite. These are the sour fruits of a decaying society that is desperately trying to hold itself together in vain. Our wars are being lost. Our militaries are in retreat. And our future is bright.

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>>2277876
Building China’s Strength and Advancing Its Rejuvenation Through Modernization Drive
By CPC Leadership Group of the National Bureau of Statistics Source: English Edition of Qiushi Journal Updated: 2025-05-16
The year of 2024 was an extraordinary one in China’s economic development. Faced with the challenges posed by growing international pressures and mounting domestic issues, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), with Xi Jinping at its core, united all members of the Party and all the Chinese people and led them in responding calmly and adopting coordinated measures in order to overcome obstacles to high-quality economic development. It also continued to chart the course of stability, maintained forward momentum, and introduced new drivers of development.

I. Strengthening the economy and attaining objectives

In 2024, the CPC Central Committee led by Xi Jinping responded proactively and effectively to risks and challenges. It strengthened and developed macroeconomic regulations whenever needed. Of particular note was the package of policies announced at a meeting of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee on September 26, which led to a marked upturn in China’s economic performance, thereby boosting people’s confidence and helping to realize our development goals for the year.

The overall trend last year was of economic stability

Preliminary data indicate that GDP reached 134.9 trillion yuan in 2024, a year-on-year increase of 5%, surpassing the 130-trillion-yuan threshold for the first time. This steady increase in GDP raised China’s economic might, scientific and technological capabilities, composite national strength, and living standards to new levels. It also resulted in stronger foundations, an optimized structure, greater sustainability, and more resilience to risk for China’s development.

Despite lingering structural pressures, employment increased as a result of GDP growth, growing service sector employment, and new modes of employment created by new industries and new forms of business. These factors, together with more effective employment-oriented policies, contributed to the stabilization of the job market. In 2024, the surveyed unemployment rate in cities and towns fell to 5.1%, 0.1 percentage points lower than the previous year, and 12.56 millPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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The strengthening of emerging industries accelerated

High-tech industries such as aerospace and electronic communications grew rapidly, and the manufacturing industry shifted toward the mid-to-high end of industrial and value chains.

In 2024, the value-added of large high-tech manufacturing industries grew 8.9% year-on-year, with their share in the total value-added for large industries increasing by 0.6 percentage points compared to the previous year. The development of digital technologies, digital infrastructure, and data resources continued, with the digital economy empowering a myriad of industries and becoming a major buttress and driver for developing new quality productive forces.

In 2024, the value added of information transmission, software, and information technology services increased by 10.9% annually, with more unmanned aerial vehicles lighting up the night skies and more service robots and smart appliances making their way into people’s homes.

Green productive forces flourished

The concept of green development has taken root in people’s minds. We are continuing to develop a green, low-carbon, and circular economy, and there has been an acceleration in applications of advanced green technologies. Moreover, the influence of environmental concepts within economic development keeps growing.

The alternative energy industry in China is thriving. In 2024 we produced 13.17 million alternative energy vehicles, making China the first country in the world to produce more than 10 million such vehicles in a year. This, in turn, led to rapid growth in the production of charging units and lithiumion batteries in the industrial chain.
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Attention imperial core proletariat: There is no untangling the Gordian Knot of reactionary propaganda. You are never going to have a bigger megaphone than them. You are never going to own them by their own logic. You are never going to make them see the light. You are never going to get them to abandon idealism and embrace materialism. You are never going to get them to embrace inconvenient truths. You are never going to make them understand class society and exploitation. You are never going to get them to understand value, price, profit, surplus value, wage labor or capital. You are never going to get them to understand modes of production and their internal contradictions. You are never going to get them to abandon ingroup preference or chauvinism, be it national, ethnic, religious. You have to cut through the knot. How do you cut through the knot? Actual real world practice. Read Clausewitz. Read Võ Nguyên Giáp. Read Joe Slovo. Stop being unreliable intellectual dilettantes and make the revolution happen. You will have to risk your skin. It will not be a matter of brainwashing millions to be your personal army. If there are any reactionaries in the imperial core who will join you, they will do so when the actual material conditions of their life compel them to, not because you had the smarter arguments in the debate club.
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>>2245829
every gaddafi posted is another gaddafi downloaded by your impersonators and admirers

>>2245908
there are enough gadaffis that i don't worry too much.

>>2245829
Wasn't Gadaffi mentally ill later in his life?

>>2277671
Wheres le soyejaque?

>>2245063
You definitely have, mods are calling you a terrorist again



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I have spent months trying to get through this book, and I normally don’t take this long to read anything. The reason why this book is trash has to do with the fact that the author is a massive pussy. Seriously, if I were to use a reductionist view of all the author’s problems with racism, violence, and abuse, I could trace every problem he has to a single concept that doesn’t even require a reference to identity politics.

Bullying

The authors biggest issue is that he functionally is still a child in terms of physical and mental strength (I’ll define mental strength as one’s capacity for self restraint, tolerance to physical and emotional pain and injuries, self discipline, and holistic thinking).
You seriously think this guy would constantly get his ass beat by feds or random dudes if he could hold out in a fight? I guarantee this book wouldn’t have been written if he could be bothered to at least train and get prepared physically and mentally not just for the bullying he’s dealing with but for adulthood in general. If he did, most of the narcissistic takes and endless whining he has in this book would cease and I’d get to read something more intelligently written.

I feel bad for this thread but I also find you annoying the author of that book also sounds annoying and afro pessimism sounded cool until I looked up and it sounds like only something that a black college professor would be into. That's all I got I was going to say something crude and funny but now I don't feel like it



 

if the labor theory of value isnt true why dont jobs pay a living wahe?
Ever wondered that?
If the labor theory of value isnt true you could make the argument that youre not being exploited and that taxation theft.
But common sense dictates this isnt true. Common sense dictates there are men sitting on towards extracting everyones surplus labor like vampires.
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>>2248387
>capitalists will run out of workers and (eventually) consumers of their commodities if they simply work everyone to death.
This happens constantly. It culminates to what we call "general crisis of capitalism."

>>2242459
>lets have retarded dysfunctional markets based on labor hour
These people are worse than CIA to the movement.

>>2242459
How come retarded ekkkononists from all these ivy league economic departments still haven’t refuted LTV? All they do is stick their head in the sand and cry about da gulags and gomnunisn

>>2244184
>fairly
Pretty much unexamined adverbial presuppositions carry the weight of your argument

>>2277740
because it's a lot easier to do atrocity propaganda than it is to refute the idea that labor inputs are the most influential factor in the formation of the equilibrium price of a commodity.



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TLDR: Tigrayan survivors of the Tigray war were given prosthetics instead of actual treatment.

Long: after the end of the Ethiopian war in 2022, a bunch of Ethiopian and tigrayan (they’re technically the same people) survivors were given prosthetics in mass to remain useful to society instead of being given treatment like you see in Ukraine. Right now, there are a lot of amputees walking around with mechanical limbs over there and no one is talking about how absurd this looks like without context.
Imagine trying to explain to someone that somewhere in east Africa, hundreds of thousands of people were amputated and implanted with prosthetics to remain as useful drones to the Ethiopian government instead of dying or recovery normally. You’d probably be considered insane.
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>>2243501

Wait, are you saying they were amputated as a reprival? Wtf

Same in Haiti 2010 except thy weren't even given prosthetics

>>2243594
What other options did they have? North Ethiopia was fucking destroyed

>>2243587
not if you don't have the proper medical equipment or trained work force. Back in the US civil war they'd cut your shit off over nothing too.

I hate the current state of things



 

Why is private property bad?

If I don't own my shirt, then I yield all agency of my attire to whoever owns my shirt. I cannot dress as I wish. If I want to exercise, I am at the whim of the shirt owner to provide for me a proper exercise shirt. My shirt could be taken from me, for whatever arbitrary reason. I require ownership of my shirt to be able to exercise, or dress formally for an event or work, or casually for a night out with friends. Otherwise, I can only participate in these events with permission of the shirt owner. And therefor, I am controlled by the shirt owner.
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>>2248544
Shirts aren't a natural monopoly and are fine to own privately. Only when commodity production makes it cheaper to rent shirts than to buy shirts should shirts be socialized.

>le good
>le bad
childlike thread that has over 30 posts for some fucking reason

>>2248560
fully landlordpilled

in gommunism there would only be one shirt and everyone would have to share it. just like comrade Stalin intended



 

One strength of the proletariat that always touted is that we're the majority. And at least among the working population, that is true, today more than ever. Wage slavery is the most common existence n the West, and probably globally.

But it seems to me this is a double edged sword, I will explain. I am a worker who earns £24,000 a year. The average exploitation rate in Britain is around 50% (certainly higher these days as this figure is from the 2000's and wages haven't risen with productivity), which means for half the 8 hour working day you are producing surplus for the capitalist.

This means that for 4 hours a day every working day, you are a slave. In the literal sense. And yet, we don't think like this and never would. And the reason is most likely because all day everyday you are surrounded by people who are also slaves. This enables this soothing ideology where you only compare yourself to the people around you, and since most people are wage workers, surely wage work isn't really all bad? It can't be so bad, what are we complaining about, you go to work, you have a chat with your fellow workmates and go home to a workmate. This isn't slavery, its just the natural way of things for the majority of people you will ever know. You have no special reason to complain nor are you specially hard done to.

And I fear this is a problem with the proletariat being the majority. As long as they are, its always going to be easy to say "well, my life isn't so bad compared to…." when you are literally a slave. You don't understand; 30,000 people in Britain literally have 60 slaves assigned to them at all times and you are one of those slaves if are a wage worker in Britain. And yet we think its so normal we don't do anything to combat it, let alone stop it.
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>>2243606
>The reason why people are not becoming politically aware of why their lives sucks is because the so called vanguard, the most advanced elements of the working class, are all a bunch of socially stunted retards who can't hold a normal conversation to save their lives.

naw its thats people would rather have individualistic solutions to their problems like becoming petit bourgeoise instead

>>2243606
>gig economy
My parents are locksmiths, and while it barely covers the bills, barely is still successfully.
Though given how close to broke we are, probably doesn't work at scale.

>>2243567
>The average exploitation rate in Britain is around 50%
I really wish it was that simple. You can't really devise some "average rate of exploitation" as the amount porky takes away from you.
First of if you're using bourg economic statistics that number would certainly be lower but irrelevant.
This is because exploitation is only marginally about what the amount that is produced but more like what it produced. There's certainly a lot of production that directly wastes labor by making luxuries that only the ruling class can afford. But that's not where the most waste is either.
It's about building and maintaining the infrastructure of exploitation itself that wastes so much. The whole service economy thing is basically just that.
So if you have to put a number on it it'll be higher than 50/50 and we'll only really know how bad it was in hindsight.

Whatever, in the Haitian Revolution around 1/5 of the slaves actually sided with their masters against the rest and most didn't give a fuck until it personally disrupted them. It was a portion of the most advanced and conscious slaves that led it, just make sure to be successful when the time comes ruminating over how bluepilled people are doesn't do much

>the majority has nothing to compare itself to
>the majority only sees itself in the same majority
no this wouldn't be correct - you're thinking about it as if most people aren't human - it's a social distortion due to surplus enjoyment.

here's the reason:
<The bourgeois get to have nice things
<The bourgeois get to be free and get to experience life as non salves
<the proletariat engage in wage slavery because it's the only form of labor that is available to our brothers & sisters
<religion tells them it's okay to not to have urges to overcome wage slavery and that being a slave is okay to be.
<ideology tells them that it's okay being a slave because of surplus enjoyment - we really shouldn't indulge in our greed like this lest we become like the bourgies right??
the issue is that the proletariat needs to BECOME the dictatorship.



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If China is so based why doesn't it spread communist propaganda to the West? Why aren't there Chinese created Prager U's commiepilling ppl? Why are they just watching as the rest of the world sinks into fascism?
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>>2276583
no i just think if they are crushing the maoists there should be some proof like how there is of the us arming ukraine and israel not providing the government with communication equipment but shipments of arms, and not during a ceasefire or after the conflict but giving weapons to one side during the actual war which im not seeing evidence for. they dont even send "defensive" military aid

>>2275826
It ended up being resolved peacefully anyway.
"In 2006, the Maoists and other main political parties (communist and otherwise) formed a united coalition, launching a successful peaceful civil resistance against the dictatorial coup d'état by the monarchy. This resistance movement resulted in the abolition of the monarchy in 2008 and the drafting of a new constitution."

>>2276590
you are obnoxious

Man he really does look like a vinny pooh

>>2272869
I mean they kind of do some mild cultural outreach stuff. It's still seen as a communist plot anyhow.



 

expand section 8 for some housing gibs, nationalize the corporations, implement ubi heakthcare and free college, etc…
What do you call that?
Communism.
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>>2242961
The argument against workfare etc. which is not much different for the argument for UBI, is that most people don't want to be the poorest you can possibly be in the country.

>>2242961
look up NIT (negative income tax)

more like common sense, even some of smarter capitalists will do that shit atp

>>2242974
Yes, people would still want to work, atleast jobs that don't require highly alienated labour to exist

>>2277580
>humans have a natural instinct to work
sure, buddy



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