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How do leftists propose to court the young white male demographic in the West? They're increasingly becoming radicalized to the right wing. They're either Trump voters, Groypers, or some form of white nationalist at this point. Liberalism clearly has no better answers than the far-right's. So what is your solution?(/pol/ tourism thread)
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>>2417621
From my understanding, most minorities who vote for right-wing parties in the west are voting on a single issue that effects them specifically. It's very rare for working class people to be loyal to any political party.

>>2416645
Men are NOT turning right wing, it's a propaganda push from the bourgeoise

>>2416645
Well we need to co-opt populism from the right wingers that’s one thing

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>>2417628
Peter Thiel is gay, so was Mishima and before the Right went single issue on anti-trans to the point of backing radfems and "great replacers" out of contrarianism, trans people used to vote right-wing parties in the west. The racial far-right regimes of Rhodesia and Apparteid South Africa had trans healthcare, the Islamic Republic of Iran have trans healthcare and so does far-right Israel. The far-right BJP is pro-trans too and so are the smaller more insane far-right Hindu parties in Indian. China are not RW but they're pretty chudded on race while being pro-trans.
I am not doing a "queer are da real nazi" by the way. But this idea of sexual/gender minorities as inherently leftist is just ahistorical, people respond to their material situation.
>>2417658
>The absolute majority of queers are left leaning and completely immune to reactionary propaganda
In the US where the religious (christian) right is still a thing yes. When the religious right get out of the picture, like in Western Europes, queers easely vote far-right or participate in right-wing politics.

>>2417686
You're a femboy hanging out in tranime spaces Moffin your opinion and social circles is not an accurate snapshot to mainstream men.
t. have lots of mainstream male friends who are all conservacucks or fascists



 

How do you show that bourgeois economics "insists upon itself", i.e. has no objective foundation to justify its conclusions and instead fabricates a self-serving fundament to justify its desired conclusions, while also demanding critics to answer within the frame of its unfounded axioms, concepts and claims? I have the impression it can collapse like a house of cards if you just make people aware of it. What would you zero in on?
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>>2417101
Are you having a stroke?

>>2416565
>it is explained by rates of effective demand.
which is explained by socially necessary labor time, i.e. effective rate of supply

>>2417341
>porkoid economists have been trying to explain away how the prices of things can be anything but the cost of materials + labor for 150 years at this point, and trying to keep workers from realizing that the cost of materials also breaks down to just labor
the funniest thing is that they rely on supply and demand for this obfuscation but all supply and demand really shows is the necessity of a planned economy. Oh you don't want an oversupply of unwanted commodities or an undersupply resulting in unmet demand? Hmmm maybe a planned society could help with that. What? When supply and demand are in equilbirium you have price stability? What's that? the equilibrium price is the target price for the market? We should be planning to sell things at that price? What? that equilibrium price can be lowered by improving the production process through technolgoical progress? What? porkies don't like it when there's too much technological progress at once because it results in a crisis of overproduction in the unplanned free market resulting in the plummeting of prices? What? They respond to this by destroying the productive forces? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM REALLY GETS THE NOGGIN JOGGIN

>>2417601
but anon, have you considered that planning is le authoritarian and totalitarian?

>>2416410
Teach them about Modern Monetary Theory



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>>2416457
lol anywhere I can watch this guy's videos compiled without going trawling for them?

>>2416343
come nerevar, and look upon the heart

>>2416393
>you can be mixed
Not the same
>which people increasingly are
And we all know how prosperous mixed race countries like Brazil are.

Well here's where you might not be happy. I think that a large reason for class immobility is just innate intelligence and conscientiousness. Obviously right now our class mobility is too low, but the Marxist dream of having no class or full class mobility is just impossible. People are born different. I am innately more intelligent than most people. That leads to greater class mobility. What we should be focused on is ensuring that the lower-classes can live an enjoyable and dignified low-class life. This isn't a pipe dream, it's the benefit of nationalism.

>>2416355
>wants to exterminate everyone else
Lol
>lecture about tyranny
Yes, because I support complete freedom of political speech. Of course I think the state should have implicit quasi-religious nationalist beliefs that are instilled in the people through education, but that's something every society has. I support freedom of speech and freedom of association. That's less tyrannical than not supporting it.

>>2416651
>I support freedom
a meaningless shibboleth. all reactionaries support the freedom of the powerful to oppress the powerless, but not the freedom of the powerless from the sadism of the powerful. "Support" is also meaningless. What form does your "support" take? Talking? Action?



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If you 'denounce' the historical real socialism that existed and exists, you can't be a communist.
>but those were not real communism
Real communism is the movement which abolishes the current state of things (private property the alienation of species-being) and it is the expansion of worker association to international terms. To think 'communism' can be reduced to just a single historical act is silly. It is, after all, a process. Real socialism was one such historical act in a chain of many to come.
>okay, they are communist, but they are totalitarian! They are authoritarian!
Those are empty words liberal ideolouges use to justify equating the Soviet anti-colonial socialist project and the Nazifascistic colonial Lebensraum project, to keep the status quo of liberal representative democracy as the 'only democratic nonauthoritarian' society.
>what do you mean the soviet project is an anti-colonial project?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/may/18.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/may/07b.htm
>I… I didn't know. I'm sorry. I will now study the history of the Soviet Union and build an antiimperialist socialist project on the Marxist-Leninist tradition. I will support the anti-colonial Palestinian people's struggle. I will globalize the intifada.
And you will defend the People's Republics of China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Belarus and the DPRK. You will study Cuban agroecology and you will learn to live with nature. You will have Chinese high speed rails and high quality Belarusian agricultural machinery. You will be happy.

Any questions?
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>>2396049
You're confusing terminally online Dengists with MLs
The terminally online Dengists have no coherent ideology

>>2357645
He's right though. The rise of Bordigists online can definitely be felt. As we speak, the notion of "left unity" is being destroyed on leftypol, in no small part thanks to them, who have no qualms with dismantling "leftism".

they aren't even leftcoms lol. its just anarchists who got bullied into changing their identity

>>2397235
>implying
Libcom.org readers did not discover Bordiga yesterday. Unless you're talking about Agent Kochinskiites, in which case, does it make any sense to you that they would flip from fetishizing bourgeois democracy to stanning for the anti-democracy autist.

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>>2396868
All twelve of them



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Being right-wing is often the worst position to criticize anything from, because every direction you swing exposes your own foundation. If you're Christian and anti-Semitic, you're sawing off the branch you're sitting on. Your savior was a Jew, your scripture is Jewish, your moral code is Jewish law repackaged for empire. Attack the Jew and you attack your own metaphysics. Undermine them, and the West’s entire religious heritage begins to unravel. Christianity isn’t an antidote to Jewish influence—it was the delivery system. Which makes the "Christian nationalist" a contradiction: waving the banner of a foreign god while cursing his kin.

Go racial instead, and it gets even worse. Make it about whiteness, and you inherit the full weight of Western history—every atrocity, every conquest, every empire built on bones. If the West is collapsing, and you claim white men built it, then the blame is yours too. You can’t have the cathedrals and clean cities without the colonization and corpses. You can’t take credit for the structure without answering for its rot. The more you elevate race or heritage, the more inescapable the accountability becomes.
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>>2416796
i still dont see the connection.
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>>2416330
i think its interesting that the ruling class as a tiny minority is blamed rather than the implicit majority of proletarians for capitalism.

>>2416836
the hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss
now fuck off liberal

>>2416836
haha yeah who would blame the most powerful and influential people on the planet for its politics haha

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>>2414644
>Make it about whiteness, and you inherit the full weight of Western history—every atrocity, every conquest, every empire built on bones.
This is a leftwinger dilemma.
Rightwingers simply don't give a damn.

Reactionary politics are not supposed to be rational, they're supposed to be maximally emotionally compelling. They do have a rational basis (the defense of capital on the part of the bourgeoisie) but for the masses they're supposed to just be emotional platitudes about "the country" and "beauty" and so on.



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The divide between weSSt nations and the multipolar™ world
is this map accurate or what?
What should be changed?
Is there a better map to show relations besides of course the map of US bases?
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>>2416383
>Vietnam is aligned with the US against China. At least was, idk how Trump affected this.
I will never understand your mind, schizo who keeps posting this here.

>>2412907
It's inaccurate, while you can probably make a simplified version of a "western world" (essentially, Europe, North America and a few other countries in Asia) This really isn't true for the East, While right now, China and Russia are somewhat aligned, they still have their fair share of disputes, notably over the central asian countries. There are also a lot of countries that don't really fit in any category, Pakistan is both of an Ally of the USA and of China, Syria attempts to align itself with the west, and while accepted by some, it's also strongly rejected by others, most notably Israel.

>>2416860
There's usually a "plot twist" (or contradiction) in international relations that blow up attempts to binarize it into two rival camps. Governments often act in ways contrary to their stated ideology and there can be weird alignments of interest between apparently rival powers. There's a lot of weird, shady stuff that happens like the U.S. selling missiles to Iran in the 1980s to raise money (without Congress knowing about it) to give to right-wing forces in Central America who were also armed and trained by Israel.

>>2412907
Its somewhat accurate. The interesting part is seeing western powers controlling the sea and coastlines to secure trade routes and to block enemy ones.

>>2412907
>desperately tries to color imperialism to one dimensional worldview
read lenin ffs.



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>It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that belongs to you.

>The system is rigged.


>The system is rigged when 4.5 million children live in poverty in the sixth richest country in the world. The system is rigged when giant corporations make a fortune from rising bills. The system is rigged when this government says there is no money for the poor, but billions for war.


>We cannot accept these injustices – and neither should you.


>We will only fix the crises in our society with a mass redistribution of wealth and power. That means taxing the very richest in our society. That means an NHS free of privatisation and bringing energy, water, rail and mail into public ownership. That means investing in a massive council-house building programme. That means standing up to fossil fuel giants putting their profits before our planet.


>Meanwhile, millions of people are horrified by the government’s shameful complicity in genocide. We believe in the radical idea that all human life has equal value. That is why we defend the right to protest for Palestine. That is why we demand an end to all arms sales to Israel. And that is why we will carry on campaigning for the only path to peace: a free and independent Palestine.


>Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They’re not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth – and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.


>It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that is rooted in our communities, trade unions and social movements. One that builds power in all regions and nations. One that belongs to you.

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BBC finds electrocuted, drowned and starved cats in online torture groups

An international network that shares online videos of cats and kittens being tortured has members in the UK, the BBC has found.

The network is thought to have thousands of members who post, share and sell graphic images and videos of cats being hurt and killed.

In one group, on an encrypted messaging app, the BBC found evidence of British members suggesting users adopt kittens from the RSPCA to mutilate.

The BBC investigation comes after two teenagers admitted torturing and killing two kittens in a park in Ruislip, north-west London, in May. They are due to be sentenced on Monday.

The 16-year-old girl, and boy, aged 17, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty after the kittens were found cut open and strung up. Knives, blowtorches and scissors were also found at the scene.

These groups started in China, but BBC News has identified members now active across the world, including in the UK.

The scale of the network has been documented by animal rights activists Feline Guardians.
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>>2414367
there isn't a society if you are simply interchangeable economic units. It's a holding pen. I don't know how to make this point clearer, and yet people will still say "yerr but it's not all about immigration".

>>2415715
hegel in "philosophy of right" saw how society must operate by a separation of powers, while marxists think everything must commence within a central power; that is the primary error, borne from marx's early criticism of hegel (such as in "on the jewish question"), where he saw how the state and civil society exist in contradiction and so both should be undone. this is characteristic of marxist vulgarity. thats why reason is on the side of the moderate left rather than the radical left, which descends into irrationalism and theocracy.

>>2415935
how 'bout that halal slaughter tho?




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Contradictions, often between opposing forces or interests, drive social and economic change? Isn't that progressive? Should we not bring about more contradictions to see change in the mode of production?
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>>2416171
Marx disagreed with Hegel's absolute idealism, but accepted his general ideas and proudly called him a "nightly thinker" and his pupil. You would know this if you weren't so clueless and illiterate. Read the article that >>2416278 posted before you call anyone a pseud

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Can one of you Hegel heads plz explain this one?

>>2413810
No, contradictions fetter progress, and he fettering of progress is resolved through historical ruptures. Contradictions are why revolutions are the motor of history.

>>2413959
Capitalism is extremely contradictory, what makes it contradictory is its centrifugal properties, it develops through its contradictions. The contradiction that drives capitalism simultaneously toward monopoly and toward disintegration of monopolies is one such contradiction. That which leads to expanding production also leads to collapses in production when production has expanded too much. The globalization of production leads also to protectionism and global fracture as national capitals scramble to secure “strategic sovereignty” and ensure that amid a globalizing, equalizing capitalist development their individual national capital remains competitive or hegemonic, the contradiction that sees the proletariat ever widening and being input into production at increased rates which then turns into the surplus population of declassed and unemployed widening and labor saving technologies or even just the breakdown of production occurring. These are just off the top of my head.

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>>2416304
hegel's logic is based around triads



 

This is not an anti-Hamas post, this is not to discourage Palestinian resistance or to legitimise Israel. It is also well established that the violence, ethnic cleansing and land grabbing did not start on October 7th. My question is simple, what did Hamas expect to happen after October 7th? Like I cannot understand what this attack, even if everything went their way, would positively accomplish?
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>>2415316
>>2415316
Tell that to the people with Fanon quotes in their bio who keep implying that they do

>>2415316
Be real

>>2414780
>I wish they would see the light of day and stop being evil too, but I will not bend over backwards to spare their feelings because "you're really in the mind of the Zionist" and therefore we shouldn't kind them genocidal because of your insight from "inside the mind of a Zionist" that tells you they won't like that.
It has nothing to do with their "feelings," but their thoughts. It's also not about bending over backwards and refusing to call them genocidal, which is a word to describe their actions and their actual (incredibly violent) record. But also "evil" is not a particularly useful category in political thinking whatsoever (at least for me). It tends to be highly moralistic but it really depends on where you sit. If you're a Palestinian, the answer is probably yes. If you're a Jewish Israeli, probably not.

>>2415563
As an aside, since genocide is such a bad word and complicates communication with loyal western subjects and so on, I have landed on calling it exterminist. It practically means the same thing for all intents and purposes that I can think of.

>>2414646
Ahhh
So Hamas copers in chat still telling themselves they’re winning because the world says the genocide is very not good while the genocide continues to happen eh?

Maybe Hamas will finally achieve victory when the last Palestinian in Gaza is murdered and the Western leftists lead their biggest protest yet (so America gives Israel a trillion dollars in response)



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I saw a post recently on gutterchan that really resonated with me recently.

Why has everyone become an insufferable asshole recently? In the past five or so years, I have also =NOOTICED== that people have twisted into incredibly aggressive, stupid assholes who constantly hates and undermines everyone around them. This behavior exists both online and offline. Before, it was just a few bad apples you could easily filter out of your communities, but now it seems like every other person out there is a holier-than-thou dickhead with a chip on their soldier.

It has made organizing any political action, creative groups, etc. nearly impossible. Conversations with others always have a hostile undertone to them now. People of all walks of life have normalized extreme behaviors like openly scamming and exploiting others for miniscule, selfish, short-term gain over communal, long-term success.

The greater internet fuckwad theory has always been real, but ever since COVID happened it seems that the mask has slipped from everyone and now everyone is openly gutting each other in any way they can. Lying and cheating others have become normalized, and the open embracing of fascism has been aided by this moral decay in society.

I don't buy that it is just because times are hard. Times have been harder in the past, and people didn't stoop to this level. The moral decay has reached new heights, and it is like everyone has either become the most bourgeoise parasite or the worst type of lumpenprole.

Why is it happening?
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Late-stage terminal unitedstatesianism causes such behaviour, thankfully it has yet to spread where I live

>>2416109
Dunno if this was meant as critique, but I don't think words are violence. But they are serious, or should be, and punching someone for them is entirely justified.

I'm not annoyed by people being frank, but I am annoyed by people being evasive and disingenuous. There's an unmistakable honesty to violence.
Libs are generally "serious", no matter if their stances remain pathetic. But their demand for a return "civility" is equally grating as ironic discourse. It's basically the
>>2416093
>be pleasant, vapid and empty
Which only serves to protect the status quo by dulling all discourse entirely. (Which is worse than ironic detachment)
"Workplace civility" is up there too, and to no surprise exists to protect the feelings of middle management and obnoxious (upper-)middle class clientele. Who will gladly humble brag, insult you, and be shamelessly rude and unreasonable, but then throw a fucking fit if you tell them they're obnoxious and retarded.

saying "why cant we all get along" is ultra corny

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morality is a spook.
really this has a ton of factors

trump being influential, i mean he is bourgeoise but he lacks their decorum, they would be fine with trump if he was polite while bombing brown people or whatever.

i think the decline of Christianity and religion is a factor too, i say this for right and left. the so called social justice warrior is basically a Christian puritan who says white people suffer the original sin of being white. but the sjw does not forgive, you can not repent in their system.
And the right either larps is a Christian online or plays into a more Nietzschean right agenda, or they are pagans who think jesus is just a jew on a stick.

the internet is also a breeding ground for being asocial, like finding a retarded person and torturing them for entertainment. think chris chans whole thing


but anyways, its the bourgeoise who demands decorum, not the prole, they see the prole as some uncouth dirty outsider

>>2416141
i like to wash down the labubu dubai choclate with monster energy ultra



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