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Is revolution actually possible in the first world or is this all a pipe dream?
It feels like everything is destined to just remain as it is.
If it is possible, then how do you see it happening?
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>>2687558
You should focus on following the quotes from Marx, Engels and Lenin that I will post to help you act and think. First I will start with the question of communists participating in the bourgeois election:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, "Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.

<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken

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>>2687896
The only revolution the US will get is a Huey Long situation or in other words Peronism.
>>2687930
Its hard to picture but this can absolutely happen and the US breaks apart. Wouldn't even be shocked if Florida becomes a monarchy under House Trump run in Mars a Lago and House Columbia lead by Prince Harry in California because of a liberal desire to match the peak country(Sweden).

It's never gonna happen. The logic of Marxism just insists that it will because it's historically inevitable but that's an assertion with very little to back it up

Never gonn happong

>>2692348
Assertion?


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>Class is abolished
>No more basis for economic distinction based on class, or occupation, no more capital, no more wageslavery, no more discrimination based on commodity access.
>Groups of humans, with genetic characters, have access to endless resources and thus the ones that exploit those resources to reproduce the most will multiplicate the most and thrive
>Other groups will not be able to exploit said resources as efficiently, thus they won't thrive
>At some point the ecosystem will be saturated and new strategies to survive, as abundance supports diversity and allows it to thrive without major consequences for the survival and multiplication, within genetic groups will surge.
>Some groups will rapidly adopt endogamous practices.
>Others will remain practicing exogamous or promiscuous, but since the endogamous ones will be outside of their access they will begin outbreediing the exogamous groups that give them access to themselves (while they actively don't share their own), high endogamy produces specialized lineages,
>Thus exogamous groups will begin getting violent to prevent the endogamous populations to outbreed them
>The endogamous populations might become hyperviolent in response
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We would probably achieve mass cloning technology by that point, but its still true that groups/orgs that pump out and retain as many members as possible will thrive in a communist system.

>>2692165
Genetics will be abolished under communism
By genetics I mean biological life
Silicon valley agrees so it will happen under capitalism too
Resistance is futile

>>2692201
>Communism is when you allow your women to fw foreigners
Cuck coded

>>2692165
Entropy prevents eternity

>>2692743
>your


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It seems that since neoliberal policies, armed conflicts such as Vietnam, Central American wars, and so on have been reduced. Even though neoliberalism has lost legitimacy, and the elites are desperate to recover control, the use of violence seems to be more restricted. Why exactly I don't know. Whatever the case, if violence is more limited for the elite, then it's our chance. We are disorganized, but reactionary violence is less of a concern now. We are the closest we have ever been to the revolution!

And no Gaza doesn't counter as counterargument

>>2691774
why does less violence = revolution
nobody in the west wants one because they already have plenty of treats

>>2691953
Do they?


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what if US and israel fucked off from the middle east and the rest of the third world, let their economies develop naturally into capitalist states and then did free trade with them?

the only logical argument against capitalism is imperialism, capitalism by itself makes sense.
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>why doesn't capitalism just not do imperialism? Are they stupid? Why give the people of the world reasons to hate the system? Why not just pay them well and not do wars?
Jesus fucking christ, my man, please for the love of any god that has forsaken up, read Das Kapital. Economic systems producing their own contradictions by their very nature, and the resulting instability and inability to exist in stasis, is THE core tenant of Marxism. Arguably, that is the very very very core of Marxism, it's very essence. Everything follows from there.

>>2640901
>Economic systems producing their own contradictions by their very nature,

but what if they didn't tho, you can see the contradictions coming and prevent them.

>>2640923
>but what if they didn't tho, you can see the contradictions coming and prevent them.
>Just prevent monopoly formation bro. Who should prevent it? Oh the government run by the monopolies
>Just prevent a falling rate of profit caused by increased mechanization even though it's a prisoners dilemma in which any party that doesn't obey the stagnation law becomes richer and more powerfull
>Just don't saturate the market bro even though being the first to produce more makes you richer and more powerfull bro
>Just don't do imperialism bro even though it's super profitable for the first clique of capitalists to do so and also they can then bully the others that didn't
>Just don't pay bad wages even though it's profitable and falling rates of profit as said above makes this the only way not to lose profitability
Read the fucking book my guy. "Just prevent contradictions by seeing them coming" isn't something that has ever happened. If you believe such nonsense then do not even post on this website or call yourself a communist again.

Yes, it was called mercantilism.
But eventually your country runs out of cheap labor and cheap resources so you have to get it from somewhere else.

>>2640883
They’ve just about hit the end of the road when it comes to imperialism


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There's no such thing as "left," or "right." There are only those that seek to perpetuate oppressive power structures, and those that seek to dismantle them. And it is only within that set of people who believe in liberty that genuine difference of opinion and debate can exist. That is to say, once one rejects hierarchy, the only meaningful discussion to be had is whether to scrap the tools of cruelty our oppressors wield against us, or provide them to all. Whether to abolish barbarism, or to liberalize it.
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>>2676128

> "There is no such thing as the left and right there is only [describes the right] and [describes the left]

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Left means outside of the bourgeois political spectrum because once you leave the bourgeois spectrum, you've Left.

>>2676128
There's only those who wish to perpetuate the industrial system, and those who seek to dismantle it.

>>2679851
lol >>2679373

>>2676139
This is theory, not abstraction


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>The president is a pedophile rapist.
<Lets have a protest.
>The administration is protecting and covering up major pedophiles (incl. in major US ally states).
<Lets have a protest.
>Rich pedophiles with economic power and pedophiles in administration.
<Lets have a protest.
>America is invading many nations.
<Lets have a protest.
>The police and ICE are arresting, repressing and killing innocent citizens.
<Lets have a protest.
>There are constant school shootings and a mental health crisis (that can easily be resolved by ending drug prohibition).
<Lets have a protest, and no to drugs, drugs are le bad!
>More repressive laws to certain groups of people keep coming and passing.
<Lets have a protest.
>Nations have become surveillence states and privacy is dead.
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>>2676954
Are you stupid?!?!? It was an attempted coup, idc about the constitution but the motives were dog shit so J-6 was bad

>>2676911
Americans are taught in school that the only right way to challenge the government is through non-violent resistance. MLK and Gandhi are treated like saints who ushered in new eras just by marching and making speeches.
Combine that with the fact that the people who are willing and able to protest are by-and-large still fearful of their own economic security and well-being - they don't want to risk what they have by doing something truly transgressive.
AND the final issue is that the ones most willing to engage in revolutionary acts - young men - are captured by reactionary ideology and video games. Sure they're not in gangs committing violent crimes, but they're also not challenging state power.

>>2679380
Oh and the fourth point is obviously the lack of labor organization.
A strong labor movement would offset a lot of the individual risk.

>>2679380
>Americans are taught in school that the only right way to challenge the government is through non-violent resistance. MLK and Gandhi are treated like saints who ushered in new eras just by marching and making speeches.
This is true, I live in America and I went to school, but at the same time they also teach that you must worship veterans and I never realized how hypocritical this was as a kid

>>2676911
Liberal insanity


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>/pol/ """revealed""" to be astroturfed hypocritical garbage this has been known for over a decade
>for some reason now some of them are coming over here and flooding the catalog with garbage shitpost OPs
>all the good posters are outside helping real people because the point is to change it
Well, I'm off to flyer for my union. Be back in a couple of days, hope you fuckers educate the libs by the time I'm back
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Seriously, I remember the days, and this was post-8chan by the way'', where OP would ask a question, smart or dumb, and get books thrown at them instead of just kneejerk /pol/shit replies. Links to marxists.org, uploaded PDFs, paragraph quotes, or just the names and chapters.

It's more efficient than retyping an answer we already wrote down a hundred years ago, and it teaches a kiddo to fish. Making people read plebfilters out trolls who aren't here to learn, and gives those who do want to learn a foothold to answer their own questions.

>>2677258
>>2677264
you're probably already aware of this but the other site did manage to keep book/pdf posting alive for much longer than ogre

it was pretty obvious some of the staff were (are?) bad faith actors

>>2675256
I feel like the release of the epstein files and the trump admin more broadly has brought out every retard we have on this website out of the closet

>>2677257
Billions must play ideology team sports

>>2675028
It’s quite possible


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A new merch drop from Hakim, Ugopnik and SecondThought.
With Lenin passing you a cigarette. Do I really need to explain why that's a horrible imagery? I'll do just in case.

Cigarette companies are the worst example of capitalism. Was one of the building stones for me becoming socialist. They used every possible scheme to intentionally get people addicted to their poison and acquire "lifelong clients". No one was off the table: men, women, children, elderly. They bribed doctors, made up with fake data and research, promoted their poison in tv and movies, payed celebrities, hooked up soldiers, infiltrated feminist movements and on and on and on. Worst part? They admit to it now but still do it in poorer countries to this very day. "Tobacco causes approximately 8 million deaths annually worldwide, with over 7 million resulting from direct tobacco smoking and roughly 1.2 to 1.3 million resulting from non-smokers being exposed to secondhand smoke. It is a leading cause of preventable death, killing up to half of its users." (Source: W.H.O.)
This isn't several decades ago, this is happening NOW. To this day they still try to get a grip on people. Promoting it as cool, mature and sexy.

I'm not saying that one meme t-shirt will cause people to start smoking but it will plant seeds of positive perception about smoking in them. And slowly with each movie, each meme, each celebrity smoking people will be subconsciously pushed towards it. That's how the cigarette companies pushed it through Hollywood before.
As a content creator with a large audience it is extremely important to pay attention to what imagery you're promoting on your platform. Indirectly promoting one of the worst sins of capitalism for a coin is horrible and hypocritical.

I'm disgusted.
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>>2670520
>I can't date a girl because she has a full time job
Bro wat. So do most people. Just hang out after work.

>>2670523
nah she works at a shopping and i do not like much closed spaces
nevertheless we once meet at interval of her full time work once.

So future socialist society won't have cigs because they're bad for you, how about sugar, alcohol, plastic, TV, cars, should we become Amish.

>>2670653
>future socialist society won't have cigs
Correct.
>sugar
Sweeteners, they are more efficient and healthy.
>alcohol
Correct, there won't be alcohol, or will be heavily discouraged.
>plastics
Petroleum-based plastics probably will dissappear in favour of healthier and better materials. It might not dissappear from all places but at least it will from places that harm people.
>TV
It is already falling out of favour by itself among younger generations. It will probably be replaced by IPTV and streaming (or downloading) services.
>cars
Public transit (buses, trams, trains, airplanes) will be prefered and prioritized but people will be able to afford a car for travelling to remote areas or in emergency situations or call a taxi.
>should we become Amish
Wrong. The luddite Amish way of life will perish.

>>2670289
E-celeb culture is cancer
>>2670653
It will have all that and more, it will just be better distributed and utilized.


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How far back did he send American leftist movements? Before him Jimmy Carter was talking about more programs, working with the USSR and socialism lite equivalents. Then Ronald Regan comes in, introduces crack, reignites the red scare and perma fucks all relationships with leftist ideology. To the point where the Democrats regressed hard and socialism would be a dirty word until the 2020s. Even then it’s still only used by the most radical mainstream politics.
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>>2667412
Nixon ruined the american left, reagan just made it worst

>>2667412
>more programs
>socialism lite equivalents
Which isn't Communism but social fascism. Critical support to Reagan.

>>2667412
Well, the first thing I want to say is, "Mandate, my ass!"
Because it seems as though we've been convinced
That 26% of the registered voters–
Not even 26% of the American people
But 26% of the registered voters–
Form a mandate, or a landslide

21% voted for Skippy
And 3, 4% voted for somebody else
Who might have been running

But, oh yeah, I remember
In this year that we have now declared
The year from Shogun to Ray-Gun
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>>2667412
I forgot which Democrat I just heard quoting Reagan. It's hilarious that he is probably the most pro-immigrant president ever. Reagan is weird. Obviously a bad dude, but weirdly good in a way.

>>2668078
True


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Trump is about to drive Canada and Europe into China's arms over this greenland shit in which case China will have the majority of trade on every continent even north america outside the US.

This is basically happening as we speak with Canadian PM Mark Carney openly welcoming Chinese auto manufacturing into Canada.

Now that China will have overwhelmingly won the trade war against the USA and will be the primary trade power in south america, north america (minus USA), western europe, eastern europe, the middle east, africa and asia.

Given that, when can we expect China to implement global socialism?
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>>2660051
>Given that, when can we expect China to implement global socialism?

the chinese are not your kitchen boys you lazy shit
fight for your liberation yourself
the gall on you, you will sit with funko pop in your ass, gulp starbucks and play video games while other people have to toil and present socialism on a silver platter for you
fuck you treatlerite scum

>>2667450
>There are plenty of metals for which China does not have sufficient domestic deposits to supply its industry.
The metals being discussed in these trade papers are not those metals.

>Food delivery and taxis isn't exactly the most useful area of automation.
This is short-sighted. The real-world mobility problem is *the* present holy grail of robotics. Real-world mobility with the potential to adapt to any environment and sense and target things in the environment immediately is how you become capable of automating things like warehouses, farms, businesses, homes, construction, mining, and anything that specifically isn't an assembly line. Solving this problem is actually the single *largest* leap towards total automation. Elon Musk isn't wrong at all in saying that if he solves real-world mobility with Tesla, he can plug it into Optimus and start making personal robots. He isn't going to be the one to do it, though, because his approach to the solution is a terrible one. If you're a big believer in automation being the future of socialism, I would suggest looking into this topic further to really get a handle on the current state of robotics development and what's still needed to automate humanity's drudgery.


>But prosperous automated socialism in one country is already a bigger step than what has happened so far, which is prosperous socialism nowhere.
Perhaps, but this is a thread about China ushering in *global* socialism. I do not think this js something that they're interested in doing. I'm actually not even certain that they're all that interested in internal socialism either, considering their social classes are quite stratified.

>having a socialist society where truly nobody is poor will deal a massive ideological blow to the global conception of "socialism is when tyranny" or "socialism is when everybody starves equally"
I don't disagree, but again, I don't see any evidence that they're open to moving in this direction. I also think that excusing exploitative global resource extraction because it's going to a socialist state is probably not the best line of thought, especially if the countries doing the extracting don't really see much of a difference selling to China over Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

socialism is when dirigsme

>>2660051
None of this understands the fundamental town-country contradiction underlying imperialism. With the development of communications and remote work you can hire an engineer in the imperial periphery for a fraction of the cost. The centralization of mental labor in the town and physical labor in the country is increasingly obsolete. Consequently, China simply cannot centralize mental labor and rely on physical labor abroad. I am unsure how imperialism will evolve as the town-country contradiction sharpens to increasing absurdity in the age of remote work.

>>2660209
Good question


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