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Seems the current glowie orders from Langley is to attack and sew distrust in any possibly future threat to American UK Israeli hegemonic order . They don’t need you to love capitalism they need you to hate and more importantly distrust any past and future socialist or communist or even anarchists projects .
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Reddit ideology unironically, those "anti-campist" have a huge presence there. Its very similar to the "Anti-Deutsche" and the "left" in Ukraine. Psyop and often manufactured. I wouldnt even call them "leftist" honestly.

>>2619278
>he cannot understand the primacy of class and views it as 'reductionism'

>>2619305
>when leftism is supporting russian neoliberalism

Glowies are so funding anti-imperialoid nationalists lmao. Reddit is filled with bernie socdems that now deepthroat China.

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Why the fuck does FINANCE make so much money despite not producing anything and therefore being even more parasitic and useless than even normal capitalist companies that make goods and services, its like capitalism in its purest form of just being a machine that turns money into more money with zero social utility.
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>>2578772
>If only Marx had the balls to actually work a proletarian job, maybe his life wouldn't be so fraught and precarious.

but the life of the proletariat IS fraught and precarious, especially in the time/place Marx was writing about them:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm

<Dr. Greenhow states that the average duration of life in the pottery districts of Stoke-on-Trent, and Wolstanton is extraordinarily short. Although in the district of Stoke, only 36.6% and in Wolstanton only 30.4% of the adult male population above 20 are employed in the potteries, among the men of that age in the first district more than half, in the second, nearly 2/5 of the whole deaths are the result of pulmonary diseases among the potters. Dr. Boothroyd, a medical practitioner at Hanley, says:


<“Each successive generation of potters is more dwarfed and less robust than the preceding one.”


<In like manner another doctor, Mr. M’Bean:


<“Since he began to practice among the potters 25 years ago, he had observed a marked degeneration especially shown in diminution of stature and breadth.”


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>>2578790
Well today the most immiserated proletariat are the people mining the minerals which end up in your devices. And that's why Lenin wrote extensively about the labor aristocracy in imperial core countries and the need for anti-imperialist solidarity with oppressed nations:

<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.


<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.”



<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty.


- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, PREFACE TO THE FRENCH AND GERMAN EDITIONS

<Imperialism is the highest stage of development of capitalism. Capital in the advanced countries has
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>>2578687
thats great but why does industrial capital tolerate this and not just form their own banks instead of letting finance capital siphon off their profits

>>2579570
i mean they do. but then many industrial capitalists become finance capitalists, because financial markets offer quicker and often higher returns than reinvesting in production. so as surplus profits accumulate, it becomes more profitable for industrial capitalists to place money into financial assets or create finance subsidiaries. 🤑

>>2578498
>Why the fuck does FINANCE make so much money
Creating money out of thin air is a good business.



 

Socialism and communism are not modes of production, they're social orders. The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution. The feuds and the slave owners and the previous modes of production never did the change consciously and neither did the bourgeois when they brought capitalism, they simply developed as much as they could until they changed, they were not a 200 year movement of trying to consciously enact change, think social darwinism.
Anyway the USSR is the loser and ML failed, Dengism won, when the realpolitik geopolitics and all the blablabla is over and China has won the world it will lead towards full automation.
And you only say full automation is impossible because you misinterpret it, you're like those conservative crackers that say communism isnt possible or its utopian, well too bad you're gonna get fucked in the ass one way or another, sucks for you you wont get to live to see that I'm right.
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>>2530165
AYN RAND communism aka dangist

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>>2530043
fucking retard that's not how it works kill yourself

>>2530021
>The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution.
Hunter-gatherer -production technology happens here > Agrarian -> Industrial -> Post-Industrial Service Economy -> Semi-Automation? -> Full Automation?

>>2530021
>communism are not modes of production, they're social orders
stopped reading there



 

which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen after either the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allows for a World Maoist PPW (in both Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Here's something weird I have noticed when talking to people.

So imagine this. I am talking with a friend about some business branch which could very well be automated and costs of production (rationally) could go down (clearly by firing employees and just having a service that a robot does or the user themselves has to do, so without actually having to employ labor-power for the entire working day). I tell him, from the standpoint of capital, this is rational, this is good, and we should pursue it so that more and more time is freed up and the productive process is more optimized bla bla bla. Imagine I am a venture capitalist convincing you to invest into AI. You get the idea.

But then he gets kinda pissed of at me and starts asking me to justify this process to some abstract worker that would find himself in this situation. He continues - it would be so good for them to lose their job and be unemployed (sarcasm) so of course he is against automatization.

I see this social-democratic viewpoint everywhere. Whenever I try to talk to people on this "higher" level of abstraction (society, state, classes) they always fall back down to this Robinson Crusoe that suffers because of my opinions. What gives? Are people just that blinded by capitalist individualism that they can't even see past particular people, humans, themselves?

I understand that my friend is not a part of the classes or stratum of a class that I ought to agitate, but their viewpoint is something I encounter often in different scenarios. How to battle this?
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>>2618260
Can you just say it again without resorting to any hypothetical scenario? I mean I lost you at capital.

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>>2618260
The greatest sin its a metaphor not moralism is waste and the ultimate form of waste is unnecessary labor. If a planned economy doesn't prioritize minimizing labor hours per unit its inefficient and failing to provide the most it can + it wastes everyones time in labor that could be spent in leisure. This doesnt mean the economy should produce only goo slop for consumers as this has low use value. Its more about producing high quality products as efficiently as possible.

Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C. Buying machines that automate production transfers profits from the employer of labor to do the job to the employer of labor that builds the machines to do the job. The morality of a worker losing their job is just cover for this process and its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs even though we have the technology to do so.

Practically however, when integrating automation, you always have a transition period where you need workers to make the machine do what it is supposed to, it may fail or it may do something too quickly and overproduce. It may need fixing constantly. This creates friction and workers may sabotage this process.

>>2618481
>Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C.
​Youre ignoring relative surplus value. Automation (increasing C) reduces the cost of goods required to sustain a worker (like food, clothes, housing). If machines make life cheaper then the value of Labor Power (V) drops. The worker now "pay for themselves" in 2 hours instead of 4 thus decreasing necessary labor time and increasing surplus labor time. The capitalist doesnt lose profit but captures more of the working day as a surplus. Automation intensifies exploitation of labor.
>Its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs
​The reason why 1st world countries dont automate isnt a conspiracy to preserve jobs but because human labor in the global south is cheaper than the cost of machinery. Why invest in complex robotics when you can exploit workers in the periphery for fraction of the cost?



 

I really like this phrase. I didn't want to write too much because I think it is better to contemplate it and I'd like to see what you think just about the phrase itself. "A better world is possible." I think obviously, a communist would find no disagreement with this phrase. I think that's the whole idea behind communism right? I think pretty much every religion is in agreement with this phrase. I think your opinion on it is really what separates the kinds of people in this world.
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>>2617931
If you are not anvry you are in a very privileged position.

>>2617988
How is it a critique?

>>2617938
Are you a white woman?

>>2617915
Absolutely agree. But you have to fight hordes of reactionaries to get there thats the tricky part.

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>>2617915
Slogans are where understanding goes to die.



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>>2617521
>materialist
>look inside
>pure vibes

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>>2618148
they been doing that on and off for quite some time

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>>2618150
you just described wave particle duality in 5 words

>>2617932
The first part, I basically agree with you.
>It is precisely the proletariat, through its struggle within and against capital, that creates the new social relations.
This is mostly a semantic disagreement dressed up as a theoretical one. If the proletariat, through struggle, produces an alternative mode of production, that is a qualitative transformation, not merely the continuation of the same subject under a new name. That qualitative shift is exactly what I mean by a post-capitalist subjectivity emerging from new material relations.
My point is not that some external or "magical" subject abolishes capital, but that the revolutionary agent cannot precede the new relations it enacts. The proletariat as it exists within capital cannot simply will communism into being. Only once new economic relations are materially constituted does a new form of social subjectivity emerge, capable of abolishing capital as the dominant political and organizing force.
In that sense, the overthrow of capital follows the consolidation of a new mode of production, not the other way around.
Calling that mystification just avoids the question. How do new material relations actually come into existence? Rather than assuming the contradiction resolves itself at the level of logic.



 

Religion and superstition deeply frustrate me, but even more frustrating are 1st World Democrat Atheist Liberals like this guy because they get so close to the truth but then their vulgar non-dialectical materialism, liberalism, petty bourgeois outlook, and 1st world chauvinism completely prevent them from reaching proper Communist conclusions.
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When marxoids say human, do they mean le individual or le species in totality?

>>2618052
There's this thing called the historical process who only communists can see. It isn't made of matter or energy and isn't detectable with any instruments that exist in this universe, but trust us, it's real. The spectre of communism sits on top of YOUR head at all times, teabagging you with his huge nutsack. you can't feel it happening because it's not made of anything you can feel, but trust me, it's happening. my claim is untestable and i don't have to prove it right, you only have to prove it wrong. What's that? You're certain he doesn't exist? uhhhhhhhh sweaty…. Do you know that bearded german man said that A can become Not A if you leave it long enough

>>2618090
Mods permaban this deleuze guattarian rhizomatic duginoid NOW!

>>2618095
In my defense that anon walk right into that

>>2617936
Mods, permaban this stirnerite religger, NOW!



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Laos is the most unpopular and least talked about communist country, nut just in regard to the media and the press but even here! We don’t even have a Laotian flag! I don’t even know what Laos is like geopolitically, I don’t know weather it’s really close to Russia and China like how Cuba and the DPRK are or if it’s cucked to America like Vietnam. I would of thought that the most bombed country on earth would come up more in political discourse.
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>>2616145
I don't know what you could do over there

>>2616137
Ngl if the DPRK got resources it would be a paradise

>>2616742
Isnt like 80% of the area mountains and swamps? Dunno about critical resources tho

>>2616763
Lots of land to clear

The ocean?



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I know there's Misato and Moffin'. How many more mods are there and what are there tendencies? I only know Moffin' is a leftcom.
The People have a right to know their Leaders.
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I dunno but is not bad here, back in the day on 8chan, leftypol went full tankie, mods would ban anyone for the slightest disagreements. Led to a split (/leftpol/ was far better and great example why MLs should never have any power). I disappeared for awhile after all this, what ever happened to that? How did this place emerge?

>>2617644
don't worry buddy, MLs are not afraid of power

>>2617647
>Supporting NATO (Rojava) is a 'slight disagreement'
Your ilk will be remembered in the margins of history books as the useful idiots you were.

>>2617722
Why are you acting like this is the only reason they banned, what a retarded strawman. I don't remember people talking about rojava at all. The split was caused by the ML mods turning a forum into their own personal dictatorship of dogma

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