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>Previous Bake
>>2745604

<Hide the Coffins Hide the Cameras Edition


This cringefest started for real this time on February 28
Fizzlers are on ackwatch

Latest News:
>F-35 ack'd by Iran
<Trump is hiding the coffins
>Bibi AI clone is in damage control mode
<Iran is increasing drone/missile strikes
>Oil rising except brent and WTI because logistics or something
<RT journo almost killed on purpose by JDAM
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>>2747963
>barbarians were
yes dialectics means repetition of core principles at a higher stage. aufheben = uplift and preserve not identicle repeat of historic events

>>2747948
no it is true. state is an organ for class rule proletarian republic is a transition when capitalism still exists globally. full communism is global, and stateless, abolition of classes precludes the existence of the state as such

>>2747945
>states also rely on the existence of capitalism
Capitalism only can exist within a state. It's the other way around. States exist since antiquity and are difficult to remove.

>>2747904
>wait i thought you liked him? are you also the person who cried about him all the time before tripfagging?
I have a love/hate relationship with Martyanov. I will never forgive him for calling Shoigu's firing as a "promotion". He was replaced by Belousov and given a position that is entirely dependent on informal connection which he is lacking therefore he was demoted. I agree with Martyanov's CV early life meme but I think he too has his blinders on.

>>2747680
>class war and history are (for now) the same thing
NTA but I've never understood this notion. marx says the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle. he said that because class struggle happens in all societies, because all societies so far are class societies. the part I have trouble with is the "history" part. History as an actual academic practice has actually notoriously been an enterprise of the privileged elites, the literate, the wealthy, and so the practitioners of history have actually been very good at covering up class war, and presenting history as a mere chronology of the deeds of wealthy, powerful, gifted, and famous individuals, and of "epic" events like wars and famines.



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Capitalism can only end when profit is no longer the incentive and is rendered useless, that requires either resource depletion or a change of the MOP as to underminet he cost of labour and the need for employed labour.

Never in history has a mode of production been forcefully "fought" and replaced, there was no capitalist movement to end the feudal mode of production, nor for any in the history of civilization. Communism is a bourgeois movement that postures as the real process of change, when change can only come when the mode of production runs its course.

There is only one thing that people who want change can do - they can wait.

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>>2721198
Who wrote about abolishing the feudal mode of production 200 years prior to industrialization? Thats what we're at with Marx, and 200 years later it is still the capitalist mode of production. Where were their analyists? Where were their great men? Which was the great capitalist nation that fell during feudalism only for capitalism to come to be later? What was their USSR?

>>2721198
There was no capitalist movement during feudalism, it all came to be after the industrial revolution, which was spontaneous as a result of random smart asses rediscovering the steam engine. The bourgeois didn't have to suffer like we did, they got it all handed to them right there and then.

>>2721229
>What was their USSR?
technically speaking the dutch republic, more accurately parliamentarian england during the civil war, for a good while afterward a large amount of reforms were placed in to reduce the growing tide of liberal capitalist reform, like in france, parts of germany, etc, it was only in the latter half of the 18th century that liberal capitalism started to be a real force

uygha they spent centuries theorizing liberalism before the feudal order actually fell wtf is everyone talking abt

>>2721230
>there was no capitalist movement
what was the enlightenment?

It was the liberal movement, it didnt call itself a "capitalist" movement



 

What are your thoughts on the RCP/RCA/RCI? They seem to be the only communist group that's actively trying to organize near me but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
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>>2726858
That's some cool surface level insight you have on the ACP. Completely unrelated to this thread though. Especially since the US Section of the RCI is even more of a laughing stock compared to it's european counterparts.

>>2726876
Which one? Can i read it online?


>>2727001
dude ACP has absolutely no grounds to mock the RCI lol

>>2731342
Some Trots are alright. You guys have the best Newspaper where i live. The Tankies have one that is alright too but noone reads it.

>>2731834
Maybe not the RCI as a whole but the RCA are a complete joke.

recently some iranian immigrant joined the party and he had just immigranted 4 months ago
He instantly talked about overthrowing capitalism, not just sectors in it, but the whole.
So…….. is the guy a spy….?.?



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I make a living off daytrading stocks, I'm not a millionaire but I consider myself comfortable, I enjoy what I do and like the freedom it brings me but even then I understand it's parasitical and doesn't really provide any value to society, I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.

what will happen to people like me if the US empire falls? from what I understand the financial world is pure bullshit that syphons money from real industries through exploitation, tech, stocks, crypto, AI, it all depends on the ability of the empire to exploit the third world.

what happens when the exploitation stops and the world starts running on a real economy based on labour instead of speculation? do construcion workers get huge raises and people like me end up in the streets? can traders and speculators be useful in socialism?
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>>2729998
>daytrading
what's the start up cost and should I take a course or something like that first?

t. lazy pothead

>>2747595
its unironically gambling and that anon is more likely than not lying

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>>2747595
the startup cost is everything you have, eventually.

courses are scams. you don't need to pay someone else to teach you to yeet all your money into the ether. you can download robinhood and be down everything forever within the day. leverage it with loans (free money) and you can be a debt-slave for NOTHIN, not even a degree or new car or whatever the fuck people live to die for now.

"call put low high sell buy resist trend" - there's literally every course right there, print these words out, cut them up, shuffle them, and recite whatever combination comes up when you're confused. this is technical anylysis, it will banish the money demons confusing you. the only thing else you really need to know is to try to split your trade into as many trades as possible so that the amount that goes to fees is fucking insane, but that's only if you want to. the financiers need fed too, but it does look way cooler if you blow it all in one fucking go.

>>2747595
pay for a course, it will speed up your progress

>>2729998
>I'm not building anything or providing any service people need, I'm just extracting value by picking the right moves at the right time.
You are providing allocation mechanism for capital to grown large and fat.



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According to CNN (If you can trust them) only 38% of Americans support Trump, that is small compared to the majority but that still means that 129 Million people support Trump after everything. And I genuinely don’t know how, because there are many rich country-club republicans who support him and it makes sense for them by why rural Appalachian farmers support him?!?! And they don’t just support him, they would literally die for this man, they are hive-minded-cattle, many boomers literally don’t speak to their children who don’t support Trump. I don’t even think similar populist strong-men like Putin have supporters like this (Correct me if I’m wrong). Like maybe you could say that Mao, Castro, Tito, Nasser, or Kim Il-Sung had ride or die supporters like this but that makes sense because they improved the lives of their people, Trump has not improved the lives of the working people at all, like what does a rural, Appalachian, Gen X, farmer get out of supporting Trump? Trump just made this hypothetical person unable to go to a nearby hospital, unable to by affordable gas or fertilizer, and in his first term Trump killed his mom with Covid.
I know that many will reply “They’re stupid don’t try to dissect it” but I will anyways.
First of all for decades the Republican Party and even the Democratic Party has gutted education in order to make these people stupid.
Second of all whenever something is bad Trump gives them an explanation weather it be Brown people, trans people, or Chyna, it is bullshit but democrats which are the only other option and they don’t provide any explanation, and since they are uneducated and lack critical thinking skills they buy Trumps shit.
Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Fourth of all Trump is a Slopulist and he larps as Anti-Elitist during his elections by calling out lobbyists and industrial complexes but goes back on it when he is back in office.
Fifth of all, boomers are stuck-up and don’t want to admit when they have been bamboozled so they think that they have no choice but to keep supporting him.
Sixth of all, culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one everPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2740177
You are a dumb inbred redditor


>>2740149
>Third of all the rural working class is deeply evangelical and in their culture they teach their kids to look up to their abusive fathers so as adults these KKKhristians imprint on Trump.
Having this Deliverance-ass classist snobbery towards these kinds of people is pretty much the easiest big reason, first of all, why these people would rather die than be Left-wing. They care about their roots and have a deep pride in that. People talk about traumatic Small Town American culture and act like somehow we are worse than everyone else. Lmao, are you blind or sheltered?
Trump spoke to their needs, something Democrats haven't done. They've internalized that, economically, they're just in their own. Actual socialist policies that would've helped them have been totally delegitimized in their eyes. But these people are not stupid just because they don't look at life through your academic worldview.
>culturally among suburban liberals they are taught to be respectful to others with different political views while rural conservatives are taught the opposite so no one ever wants to slap someone shit into these people.
The fact that the people who are overwhelmingly compared to Suburbia veterans with more experience with violence generally have not actually formed the Right-Wing Death Squads and made it impossible for you to ever leave the city limits in spite of the fact that, from their point of view, Leftists literally hate them because they exist (in essence) should say a lot more about the fact that they are capable of being respectful.
We didn't wake up one day in this political climate and the Right definitely didn't start it. It started with Democrats race-baiting, which created this blowback, which inevitably just serves to further undermine any attempt at getting these people even a smidgen of class consciousness.
How about this for a fucking start: quit looking down your nose at these people and understand them. Matter of fact just stay in your lane because you're just going to do more harm than good to those of us from these cultures who are trying to make any real change.
Once upon a time, Appalachia for example was literally forming guerilla bands to fight the fucking army over Coal Mines. Maybe ask what happened there, and then keep studying it from your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2740272
>hahaha Americans are all evil, everything about them is evil, they have no redeeming qualities what so ever, i'm gonna shit all over the father of their country
>why do Americans hate us and not want to entertain Leftism?
Jesus - at least the Alt-Right can understand why most Americans don't want to give credence to them, or could back when they still mattered. The lack of self awareness - whew, lad.

>>2740149
Euro-Americans are völkerabfälle, non-historic peoples and cannot seize power. Euro-America forms the cast-off ruins of European nations. However, by the nature of their struggles against oppression, the non-white American nations have formed historical nations. Urban Euro-America is being absorbed into the progressive non-white American nations at a much faster pace than the non-historical rural Euro-America. Urban America also has much more material options for women's independence.

It's a mistake to assume that non-historic peoples are always reactionary but in many situations and times they can become quite reactionary. Everything that Engels said about the Slavs really applies to Euro-America.



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>Previous bread
>>2744263

AY MACARENA Edition
/Iran/ Emergency bake is over, things returning to normal

Latest News:
>Iran has confirmed the Israeli killing of Intelligence Minister Esmail Khatib in an overnight attack, marking the third assassination of a high-ranking Iranian official in two days.
<Mojtaba Khamenei, Iran’s new supreme leader, has said “criminal murderers” must pay for the officials’ killings.
>Iran vowed a response after gas facilities associated with the offshore South Pars field, the largest gasfield in the world, came under attack.
<The IRGC has launched attacks on a number of energy sites in Gulf countries, including Qatar’s Ras Laffan gas facility, where authorities reported significant damage, and at the United Arab Emirates’ Habshan ⁠gas facility, where operations were suspended.
>Meanwhile, oil prices keep spiking: Brent crude futures, the benchmark for global prices, topped $108 a barrel, up 4.92 percent, while US crude rose to $98 a barrel, up 1.86 percent.

>Important Links:

https://www.flightradar24.com/
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>>2746749
>he's gonna keep digging
figures

arab elites are seethe hard over this

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>>2746733
"DUDE FOR EPSTEIN, BRO"

Those weird fucking Netanyahu videos are being put out with AI just to see what they need to fine-tune when they make AI deepfakes

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The worst, least disciplined 'Marxists' I've ever known have all been junkies, including myself at one point. Sure H feels good and distracts from the Everything of it all but how do these self-proclaimed 'Lefties' (ha!) not realise that they're doing exactly what They want us to.

What are your experiences with drug use
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drugs are gay they make you gay

>>2709699
Clean and quality controlled heroin, coke, speed, weed and psychedelics are preferable and more adaptable to therapeutic use than pharma shit in every conceivable way. Pharma drugs are just poor substitutes designed to minimize benefits and maximize desperation and dependency and therefore profits. I'm aware that the aforementioned street drugs were previously mainstream pharma drugs btw.

>>2709528
You're a luddic reactionary retard, drugs are an integral part of chemistry, botany, the sciences.

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>>2709001
Delete your thread and don't bother discussing this topic in this reactionary viper pit, wait for 420chan to come back, it should be up in a month

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<Drugs are bad mmmkay

Well, most drugs are. I agree with South Park on why marijuana is bad–it makes you ok with being bored. When you could learn a skill or read a book. But yeah I smoke a lot of pot and it's mostly harmless, although it exacerbates ALL of my add symptoms and I'm not going to pretend it's making me better off, but at least I stopped drinking.
Adderall is fantastic (for me) But I have the real adhd that they use eye-tracking software to detect as well as the paradoxical reactions where coffee and other stimulants have a reverse effect. Only amphetamines and tea make me focus though, coffee and soda just make me sleepy.

Heroin and opiates are bad. Very bad. One of my jobs is at a workers' claims company and I look at these old claims from c. 2002 and folks were getting prescribed oxy, hydrocodone, and fetanyl all at once. Opioids are a great pain killer but it's hard to justify them with the harm they've caused China and the rest of the world throughout history.
I don't get Meth. Just go to a college campus and buy adderall. It won't give you meth head face and it's a cleaner high (again, stimulants aren't euphoric for me, adderall turns me into a task zombie)
Psychedelics are good and wholesome but be careful. They are "fun" and can help you become more empathetic. However, if the mother's side of your family has a history of schizophrenia or bipolar it can can "unlock" those tendencies in you as well. Also bad shit can seriously fuck with your mind.
Ecstasy and MDMA give you fake emotions. I don't like that.


There's a newly discovered mushroom (Lanmaoa asiatica) that is hallucinogenic but oddly, it gives everyone the same hallucination. People report "Lilliputian hallucinations" of little people, the size of borrowers, scampering around. It's so rare that there isn't even an erowid page for it yet. I'd love to try it in china before the buzzkills in the CCP outlaw it.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/meet-the-mushroom-that-make-people-have-the-exact-same-hallucination/
https://themicrodose.substack.com/p/little-people-hallucinations-5-questions



 

How do we organize in the face of modern mass surveillance when they ban being a communist? How should an underground party organize itself? What underground tactics should be adopted? How can an underground party build dual power and threaten the state?
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>>2701572
Depression

>>2701580
I've heard quebes OS is the best for privacy. because of the compartmentalization and stuff

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>>2701580
>>2701797
I second this. There are some use cases for a live OS, but qubes is superior in every other way (except stability). It makes it very easy to route all your traffic however you like, as well as provides resistance against malware. Also you can go the qubes forum and always see lolberts seething and calling the mods feds so definitely based. My only issue is updating manually is a pain, and the updater breaks easily. Also good if you're bad at tech because backups of each vm are stored so you can just revert to a past working version if you break something. Just make sure that you change the settings so it's a decent number of backups and don't restart the qube too many times or you'll push out all your good saves.

>do something
Any call to action is voluntarism and thats bad okay?

Flagging because of content.

I was involved in the Stop Cop City movement. not as a protestor, not as an ngo, not as a faith based movement but as one of the "terrorists" living in the woods for awhile.

at that point it was all word of mouth with some stuff organized by signal. in the end, it didn't help us. my friends were jailed and put on RICO lists. the underground organizing got totally eclipsed by random acitivists having concerts to defend the forest, with invites on instagram and other spyware apps, as well as homeless people just hanging out in the woods for the free food from our community kitchen.
One day I noticed one of the activists playing pokemon go. I don't think they were doing it with nefarious intent, but then I looked at the screen and most of our secret paths were visible in the pokemon go map cause people didn't have good oppsec and left cellular data and gps on their phones and carried the phones around (pokemon go generates maps based on "desire paths" or the shortcuts that people make.

kind of disjointed and /dead/ material but I don't think underground organizing really works because eventually you'll get above ground and the cops will win in the end anyay.



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Post headlines that never seem to stop being relevant. The longer ago the original headline, the more points you get.

(They don't have to be from a satirical website, it's just funnier when they are.)
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>>2746998
keeps happening to me. there's clearly an epidemic of some kind going around. a lot of people are saying this.

>>2702646
>nigel biggar
that has to be a glowie under a pseudonym

they always pick those kind of names, like that literal CIA wikipedia editor that named himself mikehawk

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>>2747083
American society has not advanced in 70 years

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These people are actually insane. They have no shame.

For years they claimed to be anti-war, anti-establishment, anti-elite. Now they cheer interventions, ignore the Epstein stuff, and defend literally anything Trump does. No standards left at all.

At this point the only thing they consistently care about is culture war slop.

Trump has betrayed them on basically every front that originally made the movement interesting. And instead of noticing, they just double down harder.

As someone closer to the Ron Paul libertarian side of things now, I genuinely feel alienated from this entire crowd of right wingers now. I can't stand these people.

I used to think MAGA was at least a messy populist revolt against the system. Now it just looks like another loyal faction inside it

I want to wake them up, but I can't because they're retarded… so honestly I wish this whole cringe “far right” internet ecosystem would disappear. I want the democrats to humiliate them in the midterms. And yes democrats are garbage too but at least they're going to humiliate them and their disgusting garbage president.

Tl:dr i feel completely alienated from the right. they are total morons. The right is dying, and it deserves to die.
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>>2735294
look up where the the political "left" comes from

whatever policy decisions Chairman Trump makes
whatever instructions Chairman Trump gives

>>2733386
Some like Thomas Paine were but they fled the US when it became clear it wasn’t going to be some Communist style social experiment. Hence why Paine made his name mostly in France at that time.

>>2732180
Go on /pol/, listen to far right podcasts and live streams, no one supports this shit, except to bait.

It's only actual paid shills supporting this, literally on the Israel payroll, Hasbarists getting $7000 per cope post.

I've yet to meet a MAGA person who isn't stupid or crazy, even by burger standards of intellect



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