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Genuinely what is the difference between the two? Both insist that the people of a nation are inherently evil because of a genocide their ancestors committed before they were even born. Both are highly liberal, postmodernist, and anti-communist. For example, in one of the most popular works of “decolonial” theory of the land back movement, “For America to Live, Europe Must Die” (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/russell-means-for-america-to-live-europe-must-die), the author spends more time complaining about state socialist countries like Vietnam and China because they set up Western style governments and industrial economies that damage the environment. This ignores the obvious fact without a modern industrial base and centralized state you’re not gonna be able to beat another centralized industrialized state like America, and in reality abandoning any structure able to stand up to the American war machine means you have no plan for revolution. Also, the fact is you’re not gonna have the numbers for a successful revolution without getting at least some people from the majority ethnic group on your side, imagine if the Bolsheviks or CCP only tried organizing the most oppressed ethnic groups in Russia or China while saying that all European Russian/Han Chinese people were inherently evil. They wouldn’t have gotten very far.
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>>2628602
Yet another american leftists are secretly liberals thread

>>2628602
Antideutsche are German chauvinists in denial.
They believe that Germans are united in their collective "guilt" for doing the Holocaust and that the German people are morally superior because of said "guilt".
I don't know if the same can be said about the Landback movement.

>>2628679
>le ancestry
you are presuming it would be justified if le ancestry was there, a fact zionists exploit in order to defeat your shitty argument, the better response is that it is a state driven by an ideology that at the very least requires hypermilitarism and mass expulsion, leading up to genocide if they fight back too much

>>2628689
how would you even define "historic"? continuous population presence? if that's interrupted, how far does that go back?

>>2628673
>Israel is endgame Sakaism, yes.
Not really, more like the Khmer Rouge.
>>2628795
>you are presuming it would be justified if le ancestry was there, a fact zionists exploit in order to defeat your shitty argument, the better response is that it is a state driven by an ideology that at the very least requires hypermilitarism and mass expulsion, leading up to genocide if they fight back too much
This. Really, it doesn't matter if today's Jews actually did descend from the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah; they still don't have the right to force Palestinians out of their farms and houses at gunpoint to build American-style suburbs.



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This stupid lazy, fat, fucking idiotic, reactionary, disappointment of a fucking country is so fucking cowardly, evil, impulsive and honest to god easy to dislike it’s unreal how glad I’d be if it was gone. Half the fucking country is obese, the remainder is comprised of people completely out of shape and unfit for any form of actual combat with the exclusion of elite divisions of soldiers and martial artists. Would be easy to hate less if the fucking losers on it would learn to

Okay you know what. I’m hating on this country way too hard. I still think the majority of the people in it are objective weaklings irregardless of class. I do think that the government there is the most impulsive and blatantly easy example of what moral bankruptcy actually looks like. I do think that I consider any public action less than direct military organization and armed hostility against the US government and presidency a joke worth disregarding as cowardice and adventurism too. I don’t hate these people just because I think they’re an actual scourge on the concept of civilizational progress, but because I consider the majority of them a fucking liability born of weakness too.
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>>2628747
>Americans are too wealthy to support communism.
False
>That's why they are rapidly embracing nazism.
Fascism rises in economic crisis. You are contradicting yourself
>the suburbanite middle class finance company "worker"
Projecting ghosts
>Nobody wants to face the truth that americans and canadians are deeply sympathetic to billionaires, "entrepreneurs" and being superior to poors and browns.
Not all. Too bad for you tho. I survied the wave of SJWs undermining socialists. I will survive the wave of multipolaroids geopolitic hooligans.

>>2628747
go talk to homeless people and you’ll find people who are in favor of revolution pretty quick, the problem is that if you’re homeless you don’t really have the stability to be involved in any organization let alone buy the material things you’d need for revolution.

>>2628929
Careful! He is gonna think of the stereotypical homeless and start barking about muh lumpen. When many people hat are homeless actually do work.

The cool burger left all died in shootouts with the police in the 70s. America needs to bring back lead in gasoline.

>>2628648
they wish they were homelander lol. in reality trump is the best personification of the american people: a fat retarded pedophile who sucks jewish cock for rent



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I'm not too well versed in Venezuelan politics. A Venezuelan immigrant living in Brazil I know, who's kind of a radlib 'anarchist', has been posting that Trump is bad but the "dictator" Maduro is a tyrant criminal and responsible for the economic crisis (no mention of sactions for some reason) etc etc you know the drill. She larps as an indigenous artist but she's pale-skinned, her father is an engineer, she used to travel when she was a child, and she came here well-educated in her early teens, so there's no chance she wasn't upper-middle class or something and that makes me very suspicious of her perspective. Her family left Venezuela early during Maduro's first term, which is internationally recognized as legitimate.

Blogpost aside, what's the consensus on Maduro? I know the drug charges are bogus but, did he really rig the election? Is he an "ecoterrorist" overlooking the looting and destruction of the Amazon rainforest? Is he a bad administrator of his country? What's the good and the bad here, materially speaking?

Retard seriously killed a thread for this one liner question while there is a general about Vuvu.

Kys

>>2629572
This thread is not to discuss current events but rather Maduro's history and politics.
>killed a thread
Can you point which thread it was? If not, go fuck yourself you retard. Boohoo a thread in an imageboard died. Suck my cock




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China needs feminism Cultural Revolution

China only has age of consent 14
Too many video games sexual objectification of underaged women
Too much problematic colourism racism in video games and TV, even worse than Japanese (it’s bad worse than Japanese in racism portrayals, just look at Genshin with PoC)
Too much censorship on LGBTQIA+ just look in Arcane TV show with removing Lesbians kissing and hugs.
We need feminist hero for Cultural Revolution like Anita Sarkessian
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>>2627335
They don't even seem to be banning anything queer, rainbow is just a general symbol over there and not a banner in defiance of abrahamic capitalism since there is neither over there. Results in it being used less, but that depreciation, not banning.

>>2627173
I love her so much bro

perfect mommy

What do you mean, Genshin got the coolest black woman of all vidoegames.

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I want to cum inside Anita Sarkessian, while she calls me sexist gooner pig that plays Chinese gachas.

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>>2627280
Interesting 🤔

It's a bit weeaboo although I like the Chinese take on furry aesthetics more than USAian culture.

Do you have any more recs? I guess I like the hard gay and leather sort of aesthetic more. Lesbian hard gay is kind of rare though in general. Not exactly interested in the masc aesthetic though. It's hard to explain ig.



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there is no difference politically between the first world and the third world, the third world isn't specifically socialist or humanitarian, there isn't a coalition of 'good' countries that will unite and fight against the empire, because every country wants to be the empire, they will fight the empire when it serves their interest and will side with the empire against other weak countries the moment they can see some benefit in doing that.

every great leader in history did shit for the money and the glory, every country on earth bends the knee to capital, specially the country retards on here say it's the only saving grace of communism, china.

the proletariat also will side against fellow proletariat the moment they get a slight pay increase, the moment they can save and start a small business, they will abandon their fellow worker, because in the final analysis no one actually cares about the working class, not even the working class. treatlerites are not exclusive to the first world, they are just a manifestation of this phenomena.

→ /siberia/
Or even better: delete

>>2627528
prove any of my points wrong, I'm not even pro capital or trying to demoralize, but please prove me wrong.

>>2627525
this is actually 100% compatible with marxism.

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Mods deport this to /Siberia/ please.
And ban this shit for filling every board

>>2629038
still hearing no arguments



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>p-p-please dont invade us saar
why are europeans so cucked
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>>2628485
The ayatolah is next in line, one leader fell with a helicopter, the next will be carried away in one.

>>2628704
The US is the way, and the truth, every country that stood against it fell, the USSR, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Venezuela, now Iran and soon China, its not too late to change sides btw.

>>2628487
How do euros feel? They want to become a US colony while also kicking out their immigrants. Euros have no national pride beyond just wanting to remove the brown folks, European subhumans have zero patriotic pride, I want to point out that patriotism is distinct from nationalism. Europeans don’t care about being a Swede or Norwegian or German etc. they would sooner have their state collapse into chaos than have any patriotic pride to keep their nation sovereign. Sovereignty means nothing to Europeans. True patriotism is what you see in Americans (except with Israel, since Americans believe Israel is synonymous with America) and Turkey or Greece, they have strong sovereign pride, aka patriotism.

>>2628810
Most weird nationalist drivel I've ever read

>>2628810
post ww2 european ideal isnt patriotism/nationalism is post european governance i.e. the EU.



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Guys, why do i have the feeling this while thing was staged? why ist he so happy and smiling? was this whole thing just theatre? is this just a psyop?
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>>2627507
>money rules all
No shit Sherlock, what do you think material production means?
Did you seriously think the proles are gonna eat Rare Earth Minerals in a socialist state?

>>2628705
>and this just whipped everyone back into the cage
too soon to tell yet

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>>2628705
Fear? Maybe, but not the “I will listen to what you say” kind of fear and more like the “holy shit, we need to arm ourselves against these maniacs” kind of fear given the type of responses most of the planet just had to this shitshow.

>>2627977
Also with the situation in Libya and the Sahel situation slowly escalating, there is a good chance Saif Gaddafi gets power in Libya again. If Gaddafi gets back into power, that will be the most proof that the empire is a paper tiger and can only do so much before having internal instability



 

This is something I thought ever since I read the beginning of the manifesto.

The periods in which serfs, plebs and slaves lived and tolerated their masters is a long one. Actually most human history has been people arrange, adjust and be content with their oppressed status, wherever they realize it or not.

Is the human history not just coping with the cards that are dealt? Like I get that contradictions will never be solved - but at what point do we even need to resolve the contradictions and just be content with what is there?
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>>2628886
No, as capitalism contradictions are something capitalists themselves can't resolve, it's a ticking time bomb

>>2628752
Rare serious post from chagos. Just imagine being a slave in that time. You dont know if there are others like you out there. You are isolated and unaware of larger society

>>2628750
jfc the kind of readings you get when you approach marx from a philosopher point of view lol

>>2628750
The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy in the universe inevitably increases. Over vast timescales, this leads to heat death: maximum entropy, uniform temperature, no energy gradients. All differences, physical, chemical, and even societal (rooted in resource and information disparities) will eventually dissolve into equilibrium.

>>2628897
All my posts are always serious. You just have to put your bias aside and take it at face value.



 

>USSR collapses
>Gorbachev bends over for porky
>burgers back yeltsin
>yeltsin shells parliament
>Ex-soviet children used for Redacted

Narrative A:
<this is because Stalin purged too many communists and the party became revisionist

Narrative B:
<this is because Stalin didn't purge enough Anti Communists and the party became revisionist.

Narrative C:
<this is because Stalin both purged too many communists AND didn't purge enough anti-communists

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2628379
>Because the entire system ran informally on corruption, nobody wanted to stop it
That's not true. There were a few people in leadership that were against corruption, and were ascetic, but I agree with the structural argument overall.

>>2627170
>Besides, answer D is a shitty explanation. Yes, the USSR did loose a lot of money on foreign entanglement
Why do you completely ignore the wars that were fought on its own territory and essentially wrecked the country two times? The american civil war is laughable in comparison.

>>2628278
crazy how this butthurt belt overlaps 1 to 1 with the part of europe ussr enslaved

>>2628753
How did the USSR enslave Eastern Europe? Do you know what 'enslavement' means?

>>2628756
you're talking to a p*le



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Daily reminder that, contrary to Leninist claims, so-called left communism has been tried and has succeeded. Rojava and the Zapatistas have both maintained genuine classless, stateless societies for over a decade each, 12 years for the former, 30 years for the latter. A decade, let alone three, is not a fluke, it's a success story. It's especially not a fluke when you've survived despite being at the barrel of a hundred guns, which is the case with Rojava.

Daily reminder that a revolution is not successful unless it actually succeeds at its stated goals. Jettisoning any and all ideological standards in the name of "defending the revolution" isn't a victory for communism, because it doesn't actually get us any closer to communism. Leninist states like the Soviet Union and PRC have, in terms of material reality, rather than stated ideology, not only failed to achieve classless, stateless societies, but have instead drifter further and further away from their supposed goal the longer they've been in existence.

The future, the actual future, is left communism. Leninism is an infantile disorder.
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>>2624415
>more so that they were fighting a civil war on 3 fronts and didn’t have the time to develop
thats literally the same as the soviets (although soviets had it even worse with all the foreign interventions all over russia), and the fact the catalonians were dumb enough to attack the soviet backed communists and the republicans while already loosing is definitely proof of an ideological flaw called profound stupidity and disconnect from material reality over purity wanking

>>2622104
They used to be ML and Maoist respectively, they went through massive political shifts after the fall of the USSR, as many other communist groups at the time did

>>2625306
>they went through massive political shifts after the fall of the USSR
And at no point has either ever been "leftcom"

>using pre-industrial examples
While slighly useful as case studies, they have little relevance to our material conditions. They might as well be hunter-gatherer tribes.

>>2621974
>won
If your standard of "winning" amounts to small-scale co-operative production in third world countries, then yes, they've won.

But by any other metrics they have not won. They haven't managed to form any coherent state on the world scene, and have extremely limited power. If Turkey wanted to invade Rojava for instance, it would be over in a week.
To that end, I actually think that leftcom can be adapted to semi-feudal third world countries with destabilized regimes. The reality is that any state that consolidates after a non-capitalist revolution in these kinds of conditions will inherently face massive opposition and counterrevolution. The perfect example of this is probably Nicaragua. To that end, when the state is failing, socialist production from the grounds up is probably a good way to escape the cycle of failed revolutions (revolution -> embargoes & mismanagement -> paranoia & failing economy -> dictatorship).
However, the reality is that these kind of co-operative socialist movement are inadapted for 1st and 2nd world countries where the state has a minimum of power and where the economy is already developed to an extent.

>Leninist states like the Soviet Union and PRC have, in terms of material reality, rather than stated ideology, not only failed to achieve classless, stateless societies

They failed because of a lack of democratic accountability, not because leninism is inherently bureaucratic.



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