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Here's something weird I have noticed when talking to people.

So imagine this. I am talking with a friend about some business branch which could very well be automated and costs of production (rationally) could go down (clearly by firing employees and just having a service that a robot does or the user themselves has to do, so without actually having to employ labor-power for the entire working day). I tell him, from the standpoint of capital, this is rational, this is good, and we should pursue it so that more and more time is freed up and the productive process is more optimized bla bla bla. Imagine I am a venture capitalist convincing you to invest into AI. You get the idea.

But then he gets kinda pissed of at me and starts asking me to justify this process to some abstract worker that would find himself in this situation. He continues - it would be so good for them to lose their job and be unemployed (sarcasm) so of course he is against automatization.

I see this social-democratic viewpoint everywhere. Whenever I try to talk to people on this "higher" level of abstraction (society, state, classes) they always fall back down to this Robinson Crusoe that suffers because of my opinions. What gives? Are people just that blinded by capitalist individualism that they can't even see past particular people, humans, themselves?

I understand that my friend is not a part of the classes or stratum of a class that I ought to agitate, but their viewpoint is something I encounter often in different scenarios. How to battle this?
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>>2618267
Heres the full untranslated version

>>2618260
Can you just say it again without resorting to any hypothetical scenario? I mean I lost you at capital.

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>>2618260
The greatest sin its a metaphor not moralism is waste and the ultimate form of waste is unnecessary labor. If a planned economy doesn't prioritize minimizing labor hours per unit its inefficient and failing to provide the most it can + it wastes everyones time in labor that could be spent in leisure. This doesnt mean the economy should produce only goo slop for consumers as this has low use value. Its more about producing high quality products as efficiently as possible.

Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C. Buying machines that automate production transfers profits from the employer of labor to do the job to the employer of labor that builds the machines to do the job. The morality of a worker losing their job is just cover for this process and its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs even though we have the technology to do so.

Practically however, when integrating automation, you always have a transition period where you need workers to make the machine do what it is supposed to, it may fail or it may do something too quickly and overproduce. It may need fixing constantly. This creates friction and workers may sabotage this process.

>>2618481
>Profits come from the exploitation of labor. V vs C.
​Youre ignoring relative surplus value. Automation (increasing C) reduces the cost of goods required to sustain a worker (like food, clothes, housing). If machines make life cheaper then the value of Labor Power (V) drops. The worker now "pay for themselves" in 2 hours instead of 4 thus decreasing necessary labor time and increasing surplus labor time. The capitalist doesnt lose profit but captures more of the working day as a surplus. Automation intensifies exploitation of labor.
>Its why we cannot seem to automate away jobs
​The reason why 1st world countries dont automate isnt a conspiracy to preserve jobs but because human labor in the global south is cheaper than the cost of machinery. Why invest in complex robotics when you can exploit workers in the periphery for fraction of the cost?



 

I really like this phrase. I didn't want to write too much because I think it is better to contemplate it and I'd like to see what you think just about the phrase itself. "A better world is possible." I think obviously, a communist would find no disagreement with this phrase. I think that's the whole idea behind communism right? I think pretty much every religion is in agreement with this phrase. I think your opinion on it is really what separates the kinds of people in this world.
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>>2617931
If you are not anvry you are in a very privileged position.

>>2617988
How is it a critique?

>>2617938
Are you a white woman?

>>2617915
Absolutely agree. But you have to fight hordes of reactionaries to get there thats the tricky part.

>>2617983
>>2617915
Slogans are where understanding goes to die.



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>>2617521
>materialist
>look inside
>pure vibes

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>>2618148
they been doing that on and off for quite some time

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>>2618150
you just described wave particle duality in 5 words

>>2617932
The first part, I basically agree with you.
>It is precisely the proletariat, through its struggle within and against capital, that creates the new social relations.
This is mostly a semantic disagreement dressed up as a theoretical one. If the proletariat, through struggle, produces an alternative mode of production, that is a qualitative transformation, not merely the continuation of the same subject under a new name. That qualitative shift is exactly what I mean by a post-capitalist subjectivity emerging from new material relations.
My point is not that some external or "magical" subject abolishes capital, but that the revolutionary agent cannot precede the new relations it enacts. The proletariat as it exists within capital cannot simply will communism into being. Only once new economic relations are materially constituted does a new form of social subjectivity emerge, capable of abolishing capital as the dominant political and organizing force.
In that sense, the overthrow of capital follows the consolidation of a new mode of production, not the other way around.
Calling that mystification just avoids the question. How do new material relations actually come into existence? Rather than assuming the contradiction resolves itself at the level of logic.



 

Religion and superstition deeply frustrate me, but even more frustrating are 1st World Democrat Atheist Liberals like this guy because they get so close to the truth but then their vulgar non-dialectical materialism, liberalism, petty bourgeois outlook, and 1st world chauvinism completely prevent them from reaching proper Communist conclusions.
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When marxoids say human, do they mean le individual or le species in totality?

>>2618052
There's this thing called the historical process who only communists can see. It isn't made of matter or energy and isn't detectable with any instruments that exist in this universe, but trust us, it's real. The spectre of communism sits on top of YOUR head at all times, teabagging you with his huge nutsack. you can't feel it happening because it's not made of anything you can feel, but trust me, it's happening. my claim is untestable and i don't have to prove it right, you only have to prove it wrong. What's that? You're certain he doesn't exist? uhhhhhhhh sweaty…. Do you know that bearded german man said that A can become Not A if you leave it long enough

>>2618090
Mods permaban this deleuze guattarian rhizomatic duginoid NOW!

>>2618095
In my defense that anon walk right into that

>>2617936
Mods, permaban this stirnerite religger, NOW!



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Laos is the most unpopular and least talked about communist country, nut just in regard to the media and the press but even here! We don’t even have a Laotian flag! I don’t even know what Laos is like geopolitically, I don’t know weather it’s really close to Russia and China like how Cuba and the DPRK are or if it’s cucked to America like Vietnam. I would of thought that the most bombed country on earth would come up more in political discourse.
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>>2616145
I don't know what you could do over there

>>2616137
Ngl if the DPRK got resources it would be a paradise

>>2616742
Isnt like 80% of the area mountains and swamps? Dunno about critical resources tho

>>2616763
Lots of land to clear

The ocean?



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I know there's Misato and Moffin'. How many more mods are there and what are there tendencies? I only know Moffin' is a leftcom.
The People have a right to know their Leaders.
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I dunno but is not bad here, back in the day on 8chan, leftypol went full tankie, mods would ban anyone for the slightest disagreements. Led to a split (/leftpol/ was far better and great example why MLs should never have any power). I disappeared for awhile after all this, what ever happened to that? How did this place emerge?

>>2617644
don't worry buddy, MLs are not afraid of power

>>2617647
>Supporting NATO (Rojava) is a 'slight disagreement'
Your ilk will be remembered in the margins of history books as the useful idiots you were.

>>2617722
Why are you acting like this is the only reason they banned, what a retarded strawman. I don't remember people talking about rojava at all. The split was caused by the ML mods turning a forum into their own personal dictatorship of dogma

Moved to >>>/meta/43775.



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/PRC/ People's Republic of China 19
>The Estonian Ultimatum Edition
Original threads:
https://archive.ph/S2XYA
https://archive.ph/Ytckv

leftypol.org archives:
https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/30501.html

bunekrchan.xyz archives:
https://archive.is/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/8925.html
https://archive.is/yrBUN
https://archive.is/pCecr
previous thread: >>2568462
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>>2616777
>anarkiddy… ahem "libsoc"
>takes fascist theory at face value
Checks out.

thread full; report to new thread >>2616885

>>2586661
>chinese eats dogs
Its more common in the south and old people. It isnt THAT popular anymore.

>>2613887
This. It's an updated version of this meme. Anyone who seriously suggests the CPC/PRC has actually "done nothing", ever, is being extremely disrespectful of towards both the party and the rest of the country, and to those who die in its struggle against empire.

It's a joke. Only a fool would take these memes as fact.

>>2614091
>A better phrasing would be "Be/do Wu wei, win", which is just the typical daoist mentality of chinese strategic thinking.
it's really wild how many people on leftypol claim to be multipolarista China maximalists and yet this is the first time I've seen anyone else on here express an understanding of actual Chinese philosophy but it's good to see I'm not the only one.



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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2550192
How popular is Marxism among the Pakistani youth, comrade?

>>2547759
What’s the difference between being in a polycule and a situationship at that point, besides a bunch of other people know about it?

>>2596700
The same advice the Vietnamese gave to the Weather Underground, try to organize and send letters to your congressmen, donate some money if you can to orgs you think are valid and have good track records. If some of you are really desperate to fight, you can find a conflict looking for volunteers, just get fit before that, because otherwise you’ll be wasting everybody’s time.
>>2596717
No one supports Marxism proper, except for a handful of extremely minor political groups. The mood here is cynical, as our Chief of the Army gave himself a position from which he can never be removed and now has complete power over the Army, Navy, and Air Force, so a dictator in all but name, though there is still a sham democracy. But as I said, the hope is China. Chinese solar panels are now used by around 25% of the country, people here trust China more than the government, and there is a widespread view that the “China system” (as laypeople understand it) will be better than anything we’ve had before.

>>2594537
I disagree somewhat with his take, but he's not wrong. Films have normalized a lot of disturbing behavior. but I’d say it’s less about action movies and more the cruelty in popular comedies and horror films, where we often see scenes of child distress or women being graphically and violently murdered or tortured. I do think it’s more of a director’s fetish, and I believe people on the left should be calling this out more.

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>>2551061
I genuinely despise Western leftists more than liberals and I really hate liberals. At least liberals engaged in politics in a way that made sense, but the former genuinely believe their petty acts of vandalism in high-trust societies are some glorious form of resistance. They act like they’re the sole reason the Vietnam War ended. It’s hard not to utterly hate them.



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Maryland politics

Politics pertaining to maryland

For the discussion maryland and its future

Maryland residents prefered

Why is there no maryland meme flag?
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I used go live in the Baltimore area. Does that count?

What's with those half US, half confederate flags everywhere? It's been 150 years, pick a damn side already.
Also Old Bay sucks

Bump

>>2598864
Last time I was there my first experience was at a train station hearing this dude talking to some other dudes about shooting people like he was Soulja Boy. He was doing the moves.

>>2598864
Why is there no general for Baden-Württemberg?



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Britpol 's unconcerned with cornish republicanism, we cornu holio have been occupied by brits for 1000s of years, we WANT A REPUBLIC.
FUCK THE UK Kernow Bys Vyken
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>>2617131
The guy is this video is literally an open fascist by the way.
He's an American Jew who immigrated to the UK, he's an ultra Zionist, a white nationalist, and an fascist with some autistic obsession on "saving" the Welsh and Cornish people.

This is the Cornish leftist group btw who you should be following if you are interested in Cornish liberation https://sordya.net/


>>2617123
This holds as a general rule, but shouldn't really. The cluster of German speaking countries independent of one another, the failure of Pan-Arabism, and perfectly viable small-scale states like Singapore all speak to the possibility of having somewhat arbitrary states.
(Though Britain is probably best compared to Yugoslavia. Just because they all speak "Serbo-Croatian" doesn't mean they like each other!)


>>2617106
Cornwall is one of the poorest regions of the UK (and with that, one of the poorest in Northern Europe)
The old, rich people are holiday home owners giving the people who live in Cornwall all year the worst of both worlds: low incomes, high house prices and rent.

>>2617282
There are several smaller independent countries. Perhaps we should weigh the US's population against China and India and conclude that it, too, is tiny and irrelevant.



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