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>Previous Bake
>>2781447

<Confused name and subject field edition

Latest News
>Ceasefire agreed between Lebanon and Israel
<But it's a special ceasefire where Israel keeps bombing Lebanon
>Trump claims Iran has agreed to not pursue nukes
<Or not who cares
>Oil futures are doing whatever I don't even know
<Can I hold the american government accountable for destroying my last living neuron?

All of this and more tonight on the /iran/ war thread numero fifty nine

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Oil futures markets open in ~6 hours.

>>2786430
who cares about the oil futures, the sp500 only goes up lol


NEW BREAD
>>2786439
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>>2786439
NEW BREAD
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>>2786329
there's more than one person here m'lawd

And there's always room for *more* hate :-)

>>2786412
go back


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The pigs, No mystery as to whom they represent, They even steal our protagonists' eggs and they're determined to put an end to this robbery once and for all.
The pigs are usually encamped in elaborate building structures which represents the deeply embedded and far reaching capitalist system while our heroes, the birds, can only ensure an end to the robbery by destroying them. Parallel to the proletarians' task to smash the state machinery. If otherwise the game would be a defensive one (reform, fending off against the porks)

To top it all off, birds can fly, Which symbolizes the infinite potential and rise of living standards of the proles once their shackles to the exploitative system is gotten rid off.

Very clear that the main character being red is an homage to the Soviet Union.

<The main story of the games and the movie are about the birds fighting back against colonial oppressors who want to eat their children.

<Said colonial oppressors are literal porkies who are colored green

<The pig society is an imperialist monarchy ruled by King Pig.

<In the movie, the pigs come to bird Island to share their "knowledge" with the birds but are in reality there to steal their resources (eggs) and exploit them.

Op is unironically correct.


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I feel like…
discussions about race, gender, sexuality and its relation to structures (or "post-structures") have reached a limit and class is not a concept good enough to replace it.
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>>2785950
Not that anon, but I think I get what he’s saying. It does feel like the New-left/Critical Theorist ideas about race are irreverent, because they largely depended on stable capitalist liberal societies to function and those systems seem to be changing or breaking down.

My glowie senses are tingling. I'm noticing an increase is typical bullshit arguments and discussions that retread age old conflicts that were resolved long ago.

>>2785953
Literally the point of postmodernism, reject any basis from before and try to be critical of everything that has ever been thought before so you can the most original political ideas (Neoliberalism with different names)

>class is not a concept good enough to replace it
show your working uygha class analysis is literally all there is we have like two centuries of thought and praxis proving this otherwise im just gonna assume youre another well poisoning neoliberal many such cases

Yes you have more in common with Elon Musk than someone flipping burgers at McDonald's because both of you think transhumanist bathrooms cringe


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If the rate of profit hits zero what will happen? Won’t it just boil down to the richest creating their own segregated societies were human level AI robots produce whatever their rich owners need, why everyone else would continue to live in a new cycle of capitalism that is run by everyone who doesn’t own high-end tech to become a master of an army of robot slaves as well? It seems like the profit rate hitting 0 wouldn’t be the end, it would just start a new cycle.
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>>2786202
So you’re problem is specifically with bipedal robots or any legs at all I guess

>>2786210
I didn't make the post but that's what I heard, legs are unstable and it can easily fall down, etc

>>2786216
Yeah, but wheels don’t work for stairs and tracks are a quite rigid solution. If bipedal is mastered it would be the most flexible solution.

>>2786239
True that wheels dont work for stairs in the typical design but most robots wouldnt need to go up and down stairs. There's also like triangular wheeled arrangements that can go up stairs (albeit slowly).

Bipedal robots usually just feel like silicon valley pablum, you're left to imagine 'what if it could do everything a person can', but it can't, so it's silly. You know what robot I like? Those automatic fruit/veg pickers, they actually seem to work correctly. I don't believe there's any two legged robots actually in real 'work' at the moment.

>>2786241
Wheeled robots, tracked robots and stationary robots will make up the vast majority of robots in usage, and even quadropedel are going to be preferred over bipedal, so you’re right.


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>Lantern Rite edition
Original threads:
https://archive.ph/S2XYA
https://archive.ph/Ytckv

leftypol.org archives:
https://archive.is/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/30501.html

bunekrchan.xyz archives:
https://archive.is/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/8925.html
https://archive.is/yrBUN
https://archive.is/pCecr
previous thread >>2616885
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>>2784365
>reuters admit all the dooming about muh construction sector crisis was bullshit and china high quality growth rather than capitalist gpd fetishization is working
well they had to admit it sooner or later

>>2784857
I don’t believe anything I don’t see with my eyes, the only chinese I ever see is fake food and fake plastic products at walmart and target and I’m supposed to believe this is communism, this is the break from the status quo, fuck them and fuck you

>>2783622
>it'd be great if they made it gradually less useless
It's already been proven useful in STEM applications, especially logistics, and in a country like China which manufactures 95% of all solar panels globally, the data centers don't even need to be as wasteful as they are in the USA. Also believe it or not machine learning uses less energy and time in a lot of its calculations than a human would doing the same thing. People hate hearing this but it's true. Just like Ludd's hand-loom weavers couldn't cope with the power loom, white collars can't cope with the machine learning. They are dragged kicking and screaming into the future against their will, with no way to RETVRN to what was before.

>>2784867
That’s assuming Chinese even exist at all, it’s probably a lie made up to justify military budgets

someone made a new one before the old one was full


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everyone's gonna hate this take but what if we just keep coming up with new exploitative modes of production after capitalism is over and never actually abolish exploitation itself.

every mode of production so far was abolished by a new middle strata

slavery (masters vs slaves): abolished by feudal lords, not masters or slaves
serfdom (lords vs serfs): abolished by bourgeoisie, not lords or serfs
capitalism (bourgeoisie vs proletariat): i predict will be abolished by party bureaucrats, not by bourgeoisie or proletarians
imperialism (1st world vs 3rd world): similarly I think the solution will come from the 2nd world

>>2785232
So you're saying like, that a new middle strata always becomes the next ruling class instead of creating a 1 class society or a or 0 class society? That's like zeno's paradox but with classes instead of distance.

>>2785232
Well of course you can't abolish exploitation why would anyone be hired just to produce enough to support themselves. But under communism society exploits you instead of capitalists.

>>2785677
>But under communism society exploits you instead of capitalists.
but vulgar marxists don't usually read the gothakritik and understand this

>>2785232
>the neepalz are the buttons
i want to peench them


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I am scared im succumbing to Nihilism

The party i am in isn't giving me much hope and its expensive in the time and work i put into it, financially and physically, and I am scared the capitalist reign, and the fascist reign in America will not be overthrown in a conceivable timeframe.

What is to be done?
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>>2785757
idk, europeans built several short-lived states in occupied palestine back then too
some things never change

>>2785728
the truth is, life is unfair, it doesn't care about you or anyone. it rewards some and punishes others for no reason.
life is absurd.
if life is absurd, and you succumb to nihilism, why not just kill yourself?
you need to view life from the perspective of "What keeps you alive" not "Why not just die", you must fight the absurdity of life with your rebellious absurdity.

>>2785771
Someone’s read their french

>>2785289
>I am scared im succumbing to Nihilism

sometimes it feels like humanity will never be chill and have communism because sociopaths will always conspire to give themselves any kind of relative advantage, escalation dominance, ability to exploit others, monopoly on violence, etc.

>>2785974
That's why you kill all sociopaths. Treat them like sapient malignant tumors.


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What if like 10-20 years from now we experience a reverse-1989 and socialists gain political power all across the world and the United States collapses?
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>>2784743
Many communists forget what Engels wrote about the United States where workers have to have their revolutionary socialist party independent of the bourgeoisie without being co-opted by republicans, democrats or libertarians.

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.

<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm

Now with the quotes from Marx and Engels that it is necessary to remember:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

You’d need a framework for it to spread that quickly, it’s heavily divided among different nations currently.

Personally I’m thinking maybe France would have the best chance. The USA is up in the air.

>Reverse 1989
Doubt it. 1989 was a domino effect that at best wouldn't have been a socialist catastrophic if the USSR didn't kill itself in 1991. The Warsaw Pact countries could have remained neutral and not a part of NATO if the Soviet Union was around. For example Poland didn't join until 1999. At best Eastern Europe would have been ran by some Eurocommunist trying to balance East and West. What I am trying to say is that 1989 was unique and a black swan event. A reverse 1989 would be trying to find something even more out of the blue than a black swan

>>2785092
GREAT post.

>>2784743
You need a functioning communist party for a revolution to happen at the very least.


 

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>>2739736
Anon I…

>>2739736
She’s just building up the productive forces

Anything new recently?

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>>2672346
obligatory

Delcy is a sell out


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The revcom legitimately got brainwashed into a cult group, how the fuck did Amerikkka mindbreak domestic groups so badly? Dude has done nothing for years. There're apparently 80 page pamphlets written by their "organization" and literally an updated news page trying to market this guy as their leader.
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>>2784767
This tbh, at least when you've seized state power your guy has something to boast about. Otherwise it's like uhhhhh our guy has like uhhhh really good ideas or smt

>>2785026
>the ACP is more akin to blackhammer than the avakian RCP
it's way more akin to lyndon larouche.

How the fuck is Avakian still alive?

We need to organise cagefight between Haz and Avakian

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>>2744837
>>2785026
>>2785336
>>2785336
Not a single western leftist group has ever come close to the level of political recognition the ACP has achieved. Most of them have floundered in academia. Comparing Haz and Hinkle to those groups is an insult, they’re leading the revolution


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