/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

interesting post, I have nothing to add. it was all very observant and not very disagreeable.

>>2900637
>In seconds, Right Wingers can have hundreds of photographs that look real enough to impose ideas on the general public. If a person scrolls TikTok or Facebook or Twitter long enough and sees hundreds of AI generated images of London teeming with Muslims, or Blue-Haired Transgenders teaching school kids, or BLM protesters attacking white people, then even if he can recognize on a basic level that the image in front of him is fake, they could blur and coagulate in his subconscious, plant a seed of fascist myth that the Right will meticulously grow.
I have seen the right call this "spiritually true." This has always been the case btw. This is how they respond to racist caricatures in political cartoons for example: "It's spiritually true"

But you also see the inverse of this where Van Jones went on TV and called the genocide of Palestinians fake and used an example of a handful of AI videos (which were probably created by mossad to discredit the allegations) as a way to dismiss the entire thing as fake.

>>2902184
>But you also see the inverse of this where Van Jones went on TV and called the genocide of Palestinians fake and used an example of a handful of AI videos (which were probably created by mossad to discredit the allegations) as a way to dismiss the entire thing as fake.

Just posting rq before work but I think even if we accept some AI generated fake Pro-Palestine propaganda, that isn't really harmful in the long run.

This is something that hurts to hear for a few people. Like we generally, as people, want to be on the side of honesty and truth and all that. But as the old saying goes a lie travels the world in the time it takes the truth to tie it's shoes. I think in the long run Van Jones trying to "discredit" the Genocide accusations by saying "well some stuff is faked" wont do that much harm.

Shamelessly bumping the thread because I think we can still get some fun discussions out of this. But to at least make this bump interesting, I thought I'd write a little more about Sorel.

Now one of the critiques I've heard levied at Sorel is he's too much of an idealist or in some way "non-Marxist". Now Sorel himself would be considered heterodox or revisionist, but his stance on Marx wasn't "Marx was wrong". He'd quote Marx, reference Marx, it was undeniable that Marx was so central to his political thought that there likely wouldn't be a Sorel without a Marx!

Where Sorel diverged is that he eventually came to grow deeply cynical of the Marxists of his time; he believed they'd lost their revolutionary essence as it were. He saw self-proclaimed "Marxists" adopt what we'd maybe call "Vulgar Materialism" and surrender the fight based on some misguided kind of determinism: "Capitalism will collapse and Communism will come about, so why do I have to leave my armchair?" And he became deeply resentful of "Socialists" that adopted reformist attitudes and became little better than bourgeois parliamentarians.

So I figured I'd focus on a work that connects both Marx and Sorel: The 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. Other than being underrate, I think this work provides one of the strongest cases for Sorel's thought not being divorced from Marx's.

I believe the first chapter has the strongest point of comparison between what Marx wrote and what Sorel would later proclaim:

>Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise […] Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing bettPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2903492
>Just posting rq before work but I think even if we accept some AI generated fake Pro-Palestine propaganda, that isn't really harmful in the long run.

that's not the point anon. the point is the bourgeoisie will use AI as a double edged sword. any time they are proven to be doing something bad, it doesn't matter how real the proof is, they can just use their media monopoly to say it was "fact checked not true" and "probably AI" meanwhile they can use the same AI to frame anybody who opposes them of crimes, and since anyone who opposes them does not have the media monopoly that they do, they can just signal boost the fake AI shit that serves their narrative while saying real shit is fake.

>the EU is not a communism
Explain this then.

how many times are you gonna make this thread

>>2902765
I only ever made another one once back in spring (I think?).

icelanders said fuck the eu, based tbh. libs seething.

>>2903091
It is what it is.

>>2860957
Damn the DSA seems even more useless than I thought

>>2858790
>What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?
how do they feel about the congo

This explains them quite well: https://tribunemag.co.uk/2024/12/going-back-to-class

>>2860957
Rosa Luxemburg Stifling also produced a comparison between the PTB-PVDA and the DSA.

Jesus Christ, Russia at will destroyed 90% of warehouses in Ukraine

>Despite the fact that the enemy destroyed about 90% of the warehouses of retail chains, Ukrainians will not be left without food.

>This was stated by the Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine Taras Vysotsky during a conversation with journalists, Ukrinform reports.

>“Today, roughly 90% of food logistics by retail chains has been destroyed, but at the same time, this does not mean that Ukrainians will be left without food. There will be shift logistics, as they say, with wheels, other options for operational supply. That is, there will be no threat of hunger and a systemic physical shortage of food, “ Vysotsky assured.

How is this even possible

>>2902929
being "allowed" doesn't really matter. the war is a fact of life now, and the longer NATO is kept in it the better. it keeps NATO from harming other countries, notably Korea and China. Ukraine, and Iran, are lightning rods. both wars must be kept going for a long as possible

You did it again, campists. Iceland have fallen.

>>2857363
>All you need is to learn to count money, and you'll never have more than thirty rubles anyway.
retard didn't know about inflation smdh

>>2857363
>A peasant
trotsky was too soft on them

>>2903611
Divided by not much in particular, united in gun running for petty nationalist movements. So romantic…

>>2903556
anyone can feel smug about knowing things that come with experience that others don't. watch this:
<you would be very surprised how stupid and useless the so-called "blue collar professionals" can be in the rare situation where they have to do so-called "white collar work", not knowing how to type, right clicking and copying every time instead of using keyboard shortcuts, clicking on obvious phishing emails, taking all of microsoft's horrible suggestions like turning on OneDrive, manually minimizing and maximizing windows one by one instead of alt-tabbing between them, relying on the mouse for everything, treating user interfaces like they're written in a foreign language. one time i worked at an small office and this guy who came out of the car garage from a long line of mechanics was doing an internship and he fell for the old "replace the desktop with a screenshot of the desktop so that none of the icons are clickable" trick.

>>2903556
you would fuck up at having to do single mom stuff like change diapers or sign kids up for school btw

>>2903708
(and btw I don't mean to imply that a brain surgeon is more useful to society than a janitor, there is way higher demand for basic cleanup than there is for brain surgery. toilets need cleaning every day, while brain surgery is rare). Just pointing out that thousands of uncompensated labor hours and thousands of dollars of tuition go into training a brain surgeon while anyone can learn to do janitorial stuff while they're still a kid. Under real socialism education and training will be compensated so that the brain surgeon will be compensated the same as a janitor after getting paid during the years of education and training instead of doing a huge upfront risk of going into debt, taking student loans, and then later on making way more than the average person to "make up" for it.

>>2903628
he already got arrested and his mugshot is on the internet. his "infosec" is permafucked.

Moved to >>>/labor/2120.

>>2903613
i didn't mean to imply any of that I just typed too quickly frivolously because it would have taken more words and nuance to say the thing you're saying.

>>2903622
not a gun nerd, sorry, will try harder.

>>2902980
Honked

New bread:

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>>2903500
Burgerpunk

Shining path = iran

>>2903600
This is a leftist discussion forum.

Moved to >>>/siberia/819782.

the americas didn't have wheat before european colonization and the corn-growing aztecs and incas were big imperialist hierarchical civilizations. also there was the comanche empire, they didn't have crops at all they just had horses from the europeans and used them to conquer and enslave and terrorize people all over the great plains. oh and then there's ghengis khan and the mongols, they didn't grow crops they just used horses to conquer people and they forged the largest continuous empire in history and killed like 10% of the world population.

>>2903592
Based. My 37-year old self used to listen to this album all the time when I was a teenager in the mid 2000s.

Hot take, but OP is actually doing real historical materialism.

>>2903540
I swear I remember a zine from that time arguing this exact thing.

>>2903520
Cereals generally. However, your simple egalitarian model isn't favored nowadays, I think. See the paper:
"Human social organization during the Late Pleistocene: Beyond the nomadic-egalitarian model."

It argues we have a mixed ancestral strategy of egalitarian bands living in resource scarce areas between so-called complex hunter-gatherers which sit on resource rich areas and exhibit many traits usually associated with early states (high population, hierarchy, slavery) and that we were managing and cultivating plants and animals way before 10k years ago.

<The nomadic-egalitarian model confronts puzzling inconsistencies. On the one hand, our ancestors are said to have spent an appreciable duration of prehistory—anywhere from the last 40,000 to several million years—living in small, egalitarian, mobile bands. Status competition was stifled, and domineering behavior invited censure, ostracism, or execution. This social environment was purportedly critical in shaping the biological foundations of our psychology: Many scholars argue that understanding the evolution of the human mind requires considering the egalitarian origins of our species, while others, especially evolutionary psychologists, posit that the cooperation humans exhibit in contemporary large-scale societies reflects adaptations for interacting in small groups of non- strangers.

<Yet, as we will show, many reliably developing human behaviors are difficult to explain if the primary or exclusive social environment shaping human psychology was the small-scale, mobile, egalitarian band. Rather, such behaviors become much easier to understand when considered as the products of an evolutionary history involving diverse social environments.

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<Recent examples of sedentary foragers include the Chumash, New Guinean fisher-foragers, and the peoples of the Pacific Northwest. Such peoples tended to exhibit several common features: They tended to exploit coastal resources. They sustained very high population densities. Although not necessarily completely sedentary, they exhibited less mobility than classically “nomadic” foragers. They had much larger group sizes, with some villages exceeding 1,000 individuals. They permitted and often institutionalizPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2903114
Not your blog. Fuck off back wherever you came from and stay there.

Is that a new Iron Felix picture?

>ideology
Sorry I don't believe in metaphysics

>>2903114
don't include dem SOCs. there is no "left unity with someone inherently NOT anti-capitalistic enough to even be considered left

>>2903232
We need to ban people under 21 from learning about materialism because no, the existence of belief systems is not “idealism” and materialism does not mean people don’t have ideas in their head. Jesus Christ learn what words mean