/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>533950
>Why would anyone say “nobody owes anybody anything” and think that’s actually good? How do westoids not see that their society is totally fucked and will collapse because it’s built on sand? How the fuck could any retard be duped to think that a society where nobody gives a fuck about anyone else is positive?
porky propaganda + capitalism requires you to be heartless if you want to do well in the system

>>535158
Personal feelings are not a good thing to build social structures around.

Lel check this magic out:

Private property— use and abuse of property, can buy and sell property
Private property— buy multiple property’s
Private property— accumulated big property
Private property— centralized property in all but name
Private property— universal property
Universal property— socialism/communism

Ta da! Hey libertarians, if you’ve ever felt like the world is becoming “communist” now you know bitch. Without bourgeois private property centralization there would be no communism. Unless you are some freak that thinks private property shouldn’t be bought or sold, which means it’s no longer private property and is instead landed property, kek.

>>535158
>It's not like I want to help you or anything, b-baka!
Stirner summarized.

>>538045
Not that anon, but that’s not what’s being advocated.
In fact, as you read on it’s an argument against that because commanding people to have emotions like love is absurd. Under capitalism, we’re already living in the hell that is created basing a society on emotions, but they’re as abstraction.
This is abundantly apparent in sectors like the service industry that demands an anodyne disposition, “service with a smile”, and that “the-customer-is-always-right” philosophy is internalized.
Instead, socialism attempts to ameliorate some of this by allowing more autonomy in the work place than under capitalism. No, this doesn’t mean basing the world on “feelings”, but creating environments that facilitate more positive emotions and psychological states in the world.
After all, why would we want socialism if it creates nothing but a population of depressed, angry, dissatisfied, and unhappy people.
Makes no sense.
While there would likely still be obligations that we would all need to attend to under socialism, the goal would still be to create an environment where the line between “obligation” and genuine desire to want to help others gets more and more blurred over time.
That’s at least the way I see it.

>>510420
Honestly this makes you think could the German spd
And the German kpdhave formed a united front and engaged in a civil war with the German right and center.
It's probably not gonna last long looking at the failures of united fronts in Spain and China but it could bloody the German right and center to the point Germany might not pose a threat as it did in ww2

>>510500 bloody meaning uh damage

>>510500 and before someone says muh
Rosa remember the Chinese kmt absolutely backstabbedand betrayed the communists multiple times trying to in the long term annihilate them. And yet a united front was still possible in china. If a united front was possible in china even with this much backstabbing its possible that the spd and kpdcould have united temporarily at least

In my head i like to think of it (and stuff like the Napoleonic wars) as epic poems given their scale and how reading/thinking about them feels like some sort of play with multiple acts.

>>537851
Please don't make comments about anything economy related ever again.

>>537839

2,285 is actually pretty high compared to Africa, even north africa. Per capita income in China is only 5,000 iirc. Iran is getting poor because of new sanctions levied against it under the trump administration and continued by Biden.

Pakistan has always been behind india in income and india is poor as fuck.

>>537873
They also get fucking in the ass by the USA, Israel and the GCC

>>537839
>International sanctions
>Devastating 8 year war back in the 80s
>Exploited comprador state before that
Iran could have had a standard of living on part with the west if not for all that

>>538008
Yeah it probably be on the level of Portugal or Greece or something. The IRI was running the place pretty well considering their situation but the latest sanctions are absolutely brutal.

Ireland sorta like Lelgium dodged the NeoLiberal mind-poison within their SocDem parties.

IIRC Sinn Fein is basically the only SocDem party in Europe that still technically has all those juicy 1950s-70s SocDem tenants in their manifestos.

BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

>nazi LARPer is also a nonce
Every fucking time. No matter the country.

Thanks news anon

>>537586
>US Marines and special operators have been quietly training troops in (x place in Asia)
boy I wonder how that will end

>>537661
Taiwan media had reported this years ago iirc
Also not suprising considering the weapons sales and naval passages

Ah yes, Sigurdur. He's a known pedo btw. Glowies approached him with the offer to testify against Assange in exchange for clemency with regards for his vast database of boy pics saved to his databases .

>>536831
>Only one picture in your post has non western people.
Are you implying Venezuela is western? Because they most definitely aren't. "West" at this point is just shorthand for pro-NATO / pro-US / pro-EU hegemony. It really doesn't have anything to do with geography.

>>534384
Pleased that you've seen the light, my property.

>>536756
>You asked me about corporations being invested in appearing woke and so on. As if that determines whether identity politics is good or bad.
If idpol was radical they would not promote it.
>Well, they also try to appear environmentally friendly
They don't promote environmentalism, they promote green austerity.
>fighting for national minimum wage
why do you keep insinuating this is the same as idpol ?
Idpol only helps a tiny group of people because they get activist careers or token positions. It's not actually helping or representing the people it claims to be helping.
>Like what? Not being gunned down by the cops? Give me a specific example. You're not being concrete enough.
No idpol groups don't fight for this kind of stuff. Pay close attention what they do, they center identities and then all material struggles like police violence disappears from politics
>Lets follow the example of the Black Panther party.
and repeat all their mistakes ?
>Indeed, but that doesn't let the white moderate off the hook now, does it?
Do you think this applies to me ? I want to erase race from human consciousness , you won't even have the mental tools to think in racist terms.
>First of all, I'm not going to be able to liberate black people. I'm not their leader. I believe black people have the power to liberate themselves, and I believe they surely will. Secondly, I don't think that freedom and lackness are incompatible categories. To suggest that black people cannot be free – or see themselves as "people" – unless they give up blackness seems strange to me. If they're not being treated as human beings on account of being black, that's an indictment of their oppressors.
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>>536439
I think you got a confused picture of me ( >>535198 ) and you're missing the point. I am not a red conservative, i'm LG[B]T myself. 

Didn't vote is the biggest party in probably every western election. And it's typically the lower classes that don't bother voting. Why? They don't feel represented because political discussion is increasingly centered around culture war bullshit. The ruling class knows this and it exploits these issues to divide the population. It's truly insane that transpeople who are a less than % of the population live rent free in the heads of progressives and conservatives. Sex workers seem more important to many socialists than blue collar workers. I know people who care more about gender-neutral street signs than young people who are forced to do unpaid work. Idpol is game where the only winning move is not to play.

A couple of examples of the idpol disease: Left Alliance is the most leftist party in the Finnish parliament. It's descended from actual socialist parties and what does LA do today? They embarrass themselves with inane shit like gender-neutral snow plowing which was already proven to be a failure in Sweden. They changed their party color from red to pink in 2018 btw. Or take Die Linke in Germany, they are bleeding voters which isnt surprising given it advocates for the same policies as the socdem party but with an extra layer of idpol. Another example from Finland is Extinction Rebellion (elokapina) who do climate demos with drag queens. Like drags or don't you know that it's only popular with a small demographic so the question arises. And man I feel bad about invoking the stonetoss comic
>Are you sure this will help raise awareness about climate change?
<Climate change?
Socialist politics today is more and more dominated by middle class pmc types that insist that their favorite pet peeve issues are made front and centre of activism for the detriment of wider proletarian unity and actual proletarian politics. This is why having a principled anti-idpol position is important.

>>537563
>Didn't vote is the biggest party in probably every western election. And it's typically the lower classes that don't bother voting. Why? They don't feel represented because political discussion is increasingly centered around culture war bullshit.
this is a nice simple story, but it's not universally true. in the British case the Labour party is in a death spiral not because of culture war bullshit but because it operates with a model of politics which "worked" in the 1990s, but has the long term effect of destroying core support.
essentially it's a strategy that says: working class areas will always vote Labour, so make your platform and messages perform well in the marginal seats that swing between parties. this is always interpreted as: adopt a right-wing platform, and funneling resources to those seats takes priority over organizing a presence in every local area.
the difficulty is that you then see a turnout crash (1997 was a postwar low, 2001 an all time low) as people become cynical about the ability of politicians to improve their lives, even marginally, and local people tend to become disaffected because their local MP is more interested in their national prominence than in helping their constituents. (after all, this seat has been Labour since the 1950s, it's hardly likely to change now…) eventually, the marginal seats will swing again (often helped by the fact that after a long period in government nothing has been done that changes swing-voters "values" meaning they're as if not more right-wing than they were to begin with) and the party's out of power.

worse yet, all those safe areas remember the Labour government that did nothing for them. crashing turnout thins the amount of voters needed to take a seat, and many of those who do still vote aren't as rigidly linked to Labour as they once were. the end result of the strategy is found in Scotland, where the Labour party was outflanked on the left by the SNP and eventually destroyed in the 2015 election after spending the 2014 referendum campaign campaigning alongside the Conservatives to say "better things aren't possible."
(a simple story might be that they were outflanked by nationalist idpol, but it's important to look at the actual "yes" campaign for independence: it was built on the idea that independence meant the sociPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>537613

Depression is a meaningless term. Americans have been struggling to pay rent more than ever before. Americans have less wealth and can afford less material goods. Most americans can't afford healthcare. Depression means porkie sold most of his stock and no one is buying stock anymore. We have been in a 50 year depression. Productivity and real wages have been in decline since 1970

>>537613

100s of millions of people around the world are starving now. More than in 2019. The depression has "ended" but in reality more people have worse material conditions and will continue to descend in material conditions.

Yes and you caused it OP

>>537625
honestly the western economy is such utter fucking bullshit that it feels like a depression wouldnt change anything

>>525508
Literally it's because Kellog (yes that one who invented Corn Flakes) prescribed it as a treatment to cure masturbation.

>>525540
wash your dick and those things won't happen

lol also circumcision in males gives you:
reduced pleasure with the majority of nerve endings (found in the foreskin) cut off

peeing does not feel phernomenal due o sensitive glans

>>526128
some traditions deserve to die

>>533014
all of them, theyre all spooks

I'm circumcised and all this in-depth talk about it is really fucking me up inside

I really can't believe that shit can be done without consent and it's a really self-damaging mental thread to follow how much I've been robbed of

I know none of you sincerely mean any ill-will towards us circumcisionbros but damn, it's something we had no say in and have no way of reversing and it can end up a huge deal depending on how much you contemplate what you're missing out on

one of the pirate pages failed to post properly. It's not as good as I remember it, though.

Australian here. It doesn't work.

We could have done this pre-delta if the world was as harsh as we were, but that was never going to happen.
Even with our extremely strict restrictions the virus still spread because many jobs can't be done remotely and once someone picks it up at work, they go home, their partner/child/housemate gets it, they go to work and the cycle continues.
What we've found is that this variant spreads so rapidly that even before you or the person you got it from has symptoms, you've given it to someone you live with and they may have already given it to someone in their place of work.

As someone who has spent over 200 days of the past 18ish months in lockdown, I'm telling you now, get vaccinated, wash your hands, wear a mask if necessary and get on with your life. The answer now is appropriate funding for hospitals and regulation for things such as increasing ventilation in buildings etc.

The virus won't be around forever, pandemics come and go, but it will take a long time and people need to be able to live their lives. Suppression is just an interim strategy until significant vaccination can be achieved.

>>534878
Yep!! It's becoming endemic. Countries have already accepted that. The BURGER line of 'ERADICATION' and Polio strawmemeing is a dog whistle and shilling for consumption of a certain medical product.

>>536582
Either a glowie or a libtard who believed the Fake News MSM which rapidly flipped its narrative when the government decided to change policy to allow it to become endemic

Australia could easily have maintained zero with closed borders and modest spending on quarantine system. Obviously not acceptable to capitalist system and porkies have been screeching to reopen the borders to prop up their failing economic system.

The "living with covid" era will not be a return back to normal and the idea that the lockdowns were the only thing preventing a return to normal is a bizarre delusion of the liberals. There will be mass death and disruptions to supply chains as seen in other nations which have allowed free spread.

This will destabilize the capitalist system and accelerate its collapse. As usual, the capitalists have made the accelerationist choice.

I look forward to watching the fiery but mostly peaceful protests

>>534842
It can use animals as a vector to spread. Only virgin brainlets think eradication is an option. Chads know covid is endemic and aren't scared.

And throwing Fauci and Gates into a volcano has a better chance of stopping the coof than mass vaxxxination

>>536608
No.
I fully supported lockdowns during Melbourne's marathon 111 day lockdown last year. I fully supported them this year. Now we're at a point where after 60 days straight the numbers just keep going up and up and have over doubled the peak in cases we had last year. This is spreading out of control. Lockdown is only slowing the spread, but has done nothing to eradicate it.