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Was he socialist despite westernizing Turkey to the point where they changed alphabet script from using Arabic to using Latin letters? Was he proto-socialist in some capacity or adjacent to socialism? We know for a fact that Lenin admired him and wanted the new Türkiye Republic to align with the USSR.
>inb4 Greek and Armenian stuff
Meh. Nobody really cares honestly. I personally think Atatürk laid the foundation for allowing capitalism to rise in Türkiye so that they can finally go from feudalism-capitalism-communism.
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Kurds and Turks are Muslim brothers and mostly get along very well

Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians and crusader fascists and stooges of Zionism and the West


You cannot be serious. Do i have to explain what colonialism, let alone settler colonialism means in a marxist imageboard? Lmao


When the fuck did this place become /turkpol/? Or is this some kind of ironic larp?



>having a (You) next to Anonymous

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Do Dengists consider Three represents as a betrayal of marxism and dengism? Do you think Xi will get rid of it?
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I very well might've said the same things about Bo Xilai in some alternate timeline, if Bo Xilai was moving the same way Xi Jinping is now. That being said, this is a dumb and pointless unfalsifiable hypothetical. I can't genuinely say I wouldn't be saying the same things any more than you can say I would be.

This isn't about the individuals in power. My issue isn't with Xi Jinping as an individual, it's with what's being done during his administration, and any reference to him is principally to note the time certain changes are taking place in. Whether Xi or Bo came to power means just about as much to my view of present China as whether Hendrik Verwoerd or John Vorster being president of South Africa affects my view of apartheid.


>Under Xi, and especially after COVID, further liberalization has occurred and the policies of the 90s intensified.
Objectively untrue. I don't even need to read the rest you're already wrong 1 sentence in.


Wang immediately fled to the US embassy. This is not the behaviour of a principled communist and casts huge doubt on Bo especially because Bo's immediate family was heavily linked to Western capital (his wife was intimately in relations with a British MI6 agent).


>>1658376he did?


>Bo's immediate family was heavily linked to Western capital

that describes most of the chinese government

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Here’s a graph of nigerias ratio of births per woman. A ratio of 5 kids obviously isn’t low but take a moment to look at how steep the drop is between 2010 when it was 6 kids. A 16.6% drop in only 13 years and that’s just the start, between that same year and now the projection for the countries population fell by almost 400 million from 700+ by 2050 to 377 and that’s still off because it’s failing to account for what’s happening in much of the continent.

The rapid urbanization under the policies enacted by the AU coupled with the increased intercontinental trade has encouraged much of the sub Saharan population to pursue self fulfillment over child rearing. Going back to Nigeria based off the current rate at which the birth rate is falling in a generation(25 years) it should fall to 3.36, but that isn’t true, it’s lower than that because the rate at which birth rates is declining is linear not static indicating that births are falling at an accelerating rate. It’s not just Nigeria on this, other heavily populated but rapidly urbanizing countries including Congo have seen the same trend, some countries have already fallen to be at near the replacement level including South Africa, gabon and botswana.

The point of all of this is to showcase that the continent overall, the one responsible for most of the growth in the overall human population in recent times doesn’t have a predictable projection. It’s going through a trend much of USSR went through under Lenin, rapid urban migration and consequently prioritization of industry over size. This also means that in the coming years there’s no clear means of when we’ll reach the actual peak in the human population in the coming years, only that it may be much sooner than expected and that governments internationally must work to build a sustainable future away from growth in a far better researched model of what to expect of the future.
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Anon your thinking of this as if it’s generations continuously having that many kids and not one generation having a declining number of children before the one coming after goes completely childless in terms of child rearing numbers. If you want a perfect example of this look at South Korea.


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I don’t think we have any time too anon. Remember when humanity was expected to peak at 10 billion?


>Club of Rome
Notoriously pessimistic people


Eh but not off. I don’t believe humanity will even reach 9 billion, I don’t believe Africa and SEA alone can carry human growth for much longer, much less till the end of the century. We’re gonna have a crash, fast, it’s obviously not gonna happen this year or even this decade, but it’s definitely not gonna be till 2050 before the cracks in the current state of humanities overall growth start becoming pores. It’s for the best anyways, it’s not necessarily that the planet can’t support more people, it’s that capitalism definitely can’t and neither can most world leaders, more people is gonna be a headache for everyone to put up with and there’s some level of hope knowing more are responsible enough to disregard families and relationships to fix their own lives first and understand why they want families before taking on such a massive responsibility.


I agree but I don't have much more to add to it

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These questions go to all the left-wing nationalists of /leftypol/:
>What led you to becoming a Nationalist instead of an internationalist like most leftists?
>What type of nationalism do you support(ethno-nationalism,civic nationalism…ecc.)

I'd be glad if you answered these questions. I am super confused about this ideology(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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National socialism basically.


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>I am a nationalist because nation exists
That is like the bare minimum to buy in to any ideology.


Why don't you take your faggot Nazi entryism somewhere else?


You are on shrooms no cap


Is tribalism and in-group preference / dislike of outsiders an inevitable part of human nature? Doesn't liberalism and capitalism inherently break down these tribal/kin ties? Doesn't the deracination of modern urbane first world people prove this? and if this process hasn't been completed doesn't capitalism still have to go on until this is completed and the social superstructure is completed terraformed? And how would a socialist society deal with racism, ethnocentrism, and nepotism?

crosslinking related threads?
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Coming right up. Can also get you epub if you want.


Can he explain metaphysics iwth actual physics next?


It lets you exploit a population more and crack open the trust that the exploited classes of the world have between eachother


>Materialist Explanation
>Is tribalism and in-group preference / dislike of outsiders
Tribalism and in-group preference / dislike of outsiders is not Racism. Racism is a psuedo "scientific" theory. The material explanation for racism is capitalism. Racism was invented whole cloth by bourgeois scientists to justify imperialist and colonial exploitation. Imperialism colonialism and scientific racism are predicated on industrialization and the enlightenment. There was no such thing as racism in history before that. Racism is the systematic classification of people into groups based on empirical observation and the social legal and economic organization that arise from that. It couldn't exist without the scientific revolution first. Not liking outsiders is prejudice, not racism. Individuals being mean to other people based on how they look also isn't really racism in the sense that it is a symptom of systematic discrimination and not the cause. Thats what "racism is prejudice plus power" and "you can't be racist to white people" means.


Seconding this. My take on racism being ingrained into capitalism is that the "master" race can have a justification to exploit "lower" races so as to benefit the former. All comes down to extra profits, I guess

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this blackout of gaza is so fucking depressing imagine not being able to escape a fucking genocidal war and no one will ever even know what is happening because outboard communication has been severed by your fascist oppressors


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There is only one course of action, when I'm being denied my YouTube - violence, a lot of violence.



Well all your posting kind of makes sense here. Sperg on my friend.


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Rafah crossing linking war-torn Gaza to Egypt opens
More than 500 foreign nationals and dual citizens will be allowed to leave the enclave, the Gaza Borders and Crossings Authority said in a statement verified by Al Jazeera’s Sanad Agency. The list of the people allowed to cross was published by the authority that called on them to head towards the crossing on Wednesday at 7am local time (05:00 GMT). According to earlier reports, dozens of injured Palestinians needing medical treatment in Egypt will also be allowed to leave the enclave.

Israel-Palestine war: Israelis cheer footage appearing to show Palestinians abused by soldiers
Far-right Israeli groups on messaging apps have shared and celebrated graphic videos of what appears to be Palestinian workers in the occupied West Bank being abused by Israeli soldiers. Several of these videos were published on the "Without Limits" Israeli right-wing Telegram channel on Tuesday, which has over 117,000 subscribers, among other right-wing groups. In one harrowing video, blindfolded Palestinian men with cable ties around their hands are seen being assaulted by heavily armed troops. The men - some of whom have been stripped entirely naked - can be heard screaming while lying on the floor.

SOHR: Turkey forcibly deported more than 200 Syrians to Aleppo
According to the observatory, 200 Syrians were transported to the Bab Al-Salamah crossing by 4 buses, while 13 Syrians were transferred to Jarablus border crossing. The authorities took fingerprints and eye scans of the Syrians to ensure that they would not return to their territory. They also forced them to put their fingerprints on papers proving their voluntary return to Syria, SOHR stated.
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Teachers kick off strike in Portland, Oregon, over class sizes, pay and resources
Teachers in Portland, Oregon, walked off the job on Wednesday for the first day of a strike that shuttered schools for some 45,000 students in Oregon's largest city. Concerns over large class sizes, salaries that haven't kept up with inflation and a lack of resources prompted the strike, one of the latest signs of a growing organized labor movement in the U.S. that's seen thousands of workers in various sectors take to the picket lines this year.

Bandcamp union files unfair labour practice claim against Songtradr and Epic Games
Bandcamp United, the union established in May to represent employees of the digital record store, has filed an unfair labour practice claim against Songtradr and Epic Games. The union claims that both companies violated the 1935 National Relations Act (NLRA) through unfair labor practices. The NLRA protects the fundamental right of private-sector employees to seek better working conditions and designation of representation without fear of retaliation.

Louisiana was open to Cancer Alley concessions. Then EPA dropped its investigation
A draft agreement obtained by The Associated Press shows that Louisiana health officials were open to stronger oversight, including looking at how new industrial plants could harm Black residents. But the federal government dropped its investigation in June before it got any firm commitments from Louisiana. Advocates said it was a missed opportunity to improve the lives of people who live near refineries and chemical plants in an industrial stretch of the state commonly called “Cancer Alley.”
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Gaza: The land offensive begins – but what next?
In this historical conflict, it is the Palestinian people that have been deprived of a homeland, and who have been fighting back, as more and more of their land has been taken away from them. Today, the Palestinian people are being reminded of the Nakba like never before. And the Zionist ruling class is not even hiding the fact that it supports the colonisation of the West Bank, in particular.They were proceeding with this policy before 7 October, and they are now ramping it up even further, with more than 700,000 Jewish settlers living in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights (occupied Syrian territory). That is what this war is about: the Palestinian people have been murdered, harassed, kicked off their land, and, in Gaza, driven to desperation and enclosed in a giant open air prison. Communists must explain all this. We must use all our forces, all our energy, and the limited means at our disposal, to counter the barrage of propaganda of the capitalist class everywhere. It is not enough to counter this propaganda. Just as it is not enough to call for a ceasefire, which in any case the Israelis and their imperialist backers have no intention of granting, much less a ‘humanitarian pause’. This demand, which the treacherous reformists and a section of the imperialists call for, just means permitting a trickle of aid into Gaza, after which the butchery is to continue. We, as communists, are not fighting for a return to the very situation that led to the present destruction of Gaza and the killing of thousands.

Biden’s Conspiracy Theory About Gaza Casualty Numbers Unravels Upon Inspection
President Joe Biden, asked last week what his government planned to do to reduce the number of civilian casualties in Gaza, responded by rejecting the idea that the numbers could be trusted. “I have no notion if Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed,” Biden said on Wednesday. “I’m sure innocents have been killed and it is the price of waging war,” he added. “But I have no confidence in the number that Palestinians are using.” A new analysis by The Intercept provides evidence refuting that claim. Biden’s effort to delegitimizPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Thanks. The Hidden History of Zionism is a beautiful text even if it's written by a trot.


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Thanks News Anon

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I'm reading The Principles of Communism and I am confused by the first line "Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the proletariat".

It would make sense if it was just the doctrine of the proletariat, but the conditions of the proletariat doesn't make sense. How can a condition have a doctrine? It's not an idealogy, or a group of people, so i'm assuming the text means something else and i'm just too stupid to understand. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
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The workers as a class - or the bourgeois for that matter - are not found to any particular doctrine or ideology. There were workers who supplicated to capitalism, and workers who had many ideas divergent from Marxism or socialism broadly, and a lot of workers who didn't give a shit or had ideas from cloudcuckooland.


It's hard to see that now because we live in total societies where you really aren't allowed to have any idea of your own or independent thought, without being policed or silenced. Only in silence can independent thought exist, until that too is snuffed out.


Engels here basically means that communism as an idea is the ploretariats reaction to the mode of production they are mostly under in, that being capitalism.

Atleast thats what i think)))


Thank you all so much for your answers! I would delete the thread since my question is answered now but it won't let me


no problem comrade, though keep in mind that not everyone here knows exactly what they are talking about. So take it with a grain of salt.


The event which would cause the said Idler revolution is the automation of the workplace . We have idlers in the present time and those are the Bourgeois who gain there idler lifestyle by using the proletariat enslave work to gain profit . Capitalism realise on the capturing of desire and to make this desire a product in needs production then the product is commercialised in the collage of images. For the present moment the Bourgeois still relies on the employees . This relation will be wipe out by automation which would happen gradually which would lead to a new class of bourgeois .

The employees who are replace by AI quickly become what Karl Marx called “Lumpenploretarians” . Some may achieve a stage of idlerism by using some automated machines that they can get there hands on but these people would be a minority .

. As production of desire becomes cheaper and more affective . The Lumpenploretarians would get greedy resulting to thief and petit crimes . There greedy desire would lead to them wanting to steal the MOP for themselves so that can get to the idler lifestyle . Make no mistake the Lumpenploretarians don’t see class and why would they ? They don’t want the mop to create a socialist utopia for all . They want to sustain themselves and there family’s by working as little as possible . For this goal they would unite in a union of idlers based on there greedy desire to gain the automated MOP . This would lead to a Greedy revolution of vagabonds , lazy people and petite idlers .

After the revolution is successful and the burgeois is liquidated they would each take what propriety they desire to exploit for the good of themselves . Leading to the Idler begin self sufficient and because the slavery of the work is abolished the state therefore seized to exist and we arrive at a greedy form of anarchism . Where the paramount is myself and I put myself first not the abstractions that hunt this earth.
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You should read the magazine The Idler the magazine if you ever get the chance too. Pretty interesting you would probably like.


No it translates to “sublate”, which means to dialectically evolve by building on what is useful and modifying that which isn’t. Marx never once advocated the “abolition” of anything, as the very act of abolition, the blind and sweeping negation of a thing, violates dialectics on a fundamental level





I shall continue idling in my armchair reading theory like Marx while wagies ITT seethe. I will write my novels, short stories, and poetry. I will translate avant-garde writers. You will continue hiding your inferiority of simply being a lame officecel through hatred of idlers.


Well he develops why communism is about the abolition of class society, labor, state, present state of things etc. It's not blind or sweeping.


Bolivia severs diplomatic ties with Israel, citing 'crimes against humanity'
Bolivia's government said it had broken diplomatic ties with Israel on Tuesday, accusing Israel of committing crimes against humanity in its attacks on the Gaza Strip. Bolivia "has decided to break diplomatic relations with the Israeli state in repudiation and condemnation of the aggressive and disproportionate Israeli military offensive taking place in the Gaza Strip," Deputy Foreign Minister Freddy Mamani announced at a press conference. Mamani added that Bolivia was calling for a ceasefire and an end to "the blockade that prevents the entry of food, water and other essential elements for life."

Israel-Palestine war: Israel reportedly proposed writing off Egypt's debts for hosting Gaza refugees
Israel is proposing writing off a significant chunk of Egypt’s international debts through the World Bank to entice the cash-strapped Abdel Fattah el-Sisi government to open its doors for displaced Palestinians, according to the Israeli Ynet website. Egypt is currently mired in a debt crisis, ranking second only to Ukraine among countries most likely to default in debt payments. The state is haemorrhaging half its revenue in interest payments and is reliant on loans from the IMF and wealthy Gulf states, limiting its ability to contradict US foreign policy.

Dozens killed after Israeli airstrikes on Gaza refugee camp
Israeli airstrikes have destroyed apartment blocks and killed dozens of people at a refugee camp in northern Gaza on the 25th day of a conflict that the United Nations said has become a “graveyard” for children. At least six airstrikes hit residential areas in the Jabalia refugee camp on Gaza City’s outskirts on Tuesday, killing more than 50 people and injuring about 150 people, Hamas officials said. Video Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


Detroit Carmakers’ Labor Bill Is Surging and They’re OK With It
Early indications suggest that gains won by the union’s 146,000 members will not be as much of a blow to Ford Motor Co., Chrysler-parent Stellantis NV and General Motors Co. as early rhetoric suggested. While the agreement’s 25% wage increase, restoration of cost-of-living allowances and other benefits will add $850 to $900 to the cost of every car Ford builds, and shave 60-to-70 basis points from its margins, the company said it expects to find efficiencies to offset the higher labor costs. GM and Stellantis will likely do the same.

'Pharmageddon' hits U.S. with walkouts at multiple pharmacies, including CVS and Walgreens
Organizers estimated the effort has drawn as many as 4,500 pharmacists and pharmacy technicians from multiple chains, including CVS, Rite Aid and Walgreens. It also drew support from the American Pharmacists Association, the industry’s largest professional organization, which said in a statement that it stands with every participant of the movement.

US House Republicans unveil bill to fund Israel by cutting IRS budget
U.S. House of Representatives Republicans on Monday introduced a plan to provide $14.3 billion in aid to Israel by cutting funding for the Internal Revenue Service, setting up a showdown with Democrats who control the Senate. In one of the first major policy actions under new House Speaker Mike Johnson, House Republicans unveiled a standalone supplemental spending bill only for Israel, despite Democratic President Joe Biden's request for a $106 billion package that would include aid for Israel, Ukraine and boPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




Rashid Khalidi: “We Are Seeing a Horrifying Attempt to Shut Down Speech Around Palestine”
Palestinian-American historian Rashid Khalidi spoke to Jacobin about the horrific human cost of Israel’s war on Gaza, the growing protests in solidarity with Palestinians, and the effort by Israel’s supporters to shut down free discussion.

A full Orgreave inquiry is still crucial
HALLOWEEN for the striking miners brutalised by police at Orgreave and throughout the 1984-5 miners’ strike is a grim reminder to them, the Orgreave Truth and Justice Campaign (OTJC) and all of us, of justice delayed and justice denied. On October 31 2016, after previously tricking us into believing that an Orgreave inquiry was likely, Amber Rudd, then-Tory home secretary, ruled out any kind of investigation into the police riot of June 18 1984. Seven years on from this decision and almost 40 years since the strike, we continue our essential campaign to keep up the political pressure for a full and authoritative inquiry into government involvement and state-sanctioned brutality at Orgreave.

CP of Greece, On the military conflict between Israel and Palestine and the developments in the region
Israel’s ground offensive on the Gaza Strip will trigger a general conflagration in the region, and more generally, on a global scale. This issue was rightly addressed by the recent plenary meeting of the CC of the KKE. The CC reaffirmed the public positions of the Party, as they were reflected in press releases of the Press Office, in the interventions of its MPs in the Greek and the European Parliaments, as well as its actions in the mass movement. Α. The regional and international powers–capitalist states involved in the conflict in the Middle East They can be roughly grouped into the following categories: FIRST: The open supporters of Israel: Mainly the USA, Great Britain, the leading powers and in general the NATO members except Turkey, the lePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Thanks News Anon


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