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Were they right? Do people have an inherent distrust/dislike of postmodernism because it has a tendency to shatter their idealism (there really is no objective truth or morality, etc,.)?
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>When Foucault says, that there is no eternal scientific truth,
There is very little eternal scientific truth in an absolute sense. We have a big scientific body of knowledge which is true but only to a certain degree of precision, and if you are nit picky than that is technically not objective. However given the enormous size of our scientific general intellect, chances are that at least some of the stuff we figured out absolutely nails it and is objectively true.

>he means that discourse is based on historical and social conditions and the argument could be made that under those conditions, it is objective.

If you define objective conditional to anything other than the physical reality, you are indeed saying that everything is "subjective."

You and I have used "Subjective" in the wordsense that it means personal experience. That is still idealist, for a proper materialist take "subjective" relates to social relations like being the subject under a King or being the subject of a legal system. In our present condition "subjective" means subordination to bourgeois legal categories. For example the bourgeois subject is an agent that buys and sells commodities on a market.

Foucault doesn't really doubt the ability of the scientific method to produce objective knowledge that transcends historic and social conditions, but Foucault's material conditions put his academic discipline into competition with hard sciences. That has motivated him to play to game of "disciplinary imperialism"
<My field of expertise encompasses your field of expertise
You have to filter that out. If you try to read these people you have to do it through a materialist lens.


Postmodernism is a form of idealism. It's a reflection of how the bourgeoisie turned away from the materialism of Hobbes and Diderot into solipsism.


His point was that "scientific truth" doesn't exist outside of us; that is, that our intellectual body of knowledge is local, and that you could do perfectly good science and still be wrong about reality. The "hard science" description is more ideology than anything else, an attempt to justify certain bodies of knowledge over other ones. Is biology a "hard science" or not, because the influence of ideology on biology is well known by now,

The way we treat science in the mainstream is a symptom of our ideology though. The observation that science can be flawed is not a new one or philosophically interesting. Postmodernism makes it seem "edgy" only because science was deified into something it was not by the religion of science types, the positivists. The failures of science, and how science can lead to wrong results, has been known for as long as science was known as science. What postmodernism is really going for is something different, for all the things I said earlier - it's a way of coping with the rise of fascism while obscuring the actual question fascism posed for humanity, because there was a total unwillingness to challenge eugenics in the academy.


Foucault's biopolitics is treated as something new and novel, but the biopolitical theory was proposed in the same time that eugenics rose as a political force. Fascism would be unintelligible if its adherents did not subscribe to biopolitics and the concept of power over life. That's not exactly new - the liberal and capitalist order was from the outset proposing power over life and its processes, while prior orders proposed the state's power to deal death as what legitimized it.



>Communism would have eliminated foucault and all other bobo degenerates.


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I have for a while known that it was only a matter of time before this happens.

About 5 days ago, protests broke out in the Iranian Arab province of khuzestan. Itan has been hit by an extreme drought that has hit Khuzestan rspecially hard and combined with constant power outages, poor water rationing and a covid situation that is not improving, people have been pushed to the breaking point.

While the Protests were localized to Khuzestan and initially only demanding basic necessities, only 3 days later they have spread into numerous Iranian cities including Tehran and demands have quickly turned into anti government slogans. People are now no longer demanding water but calling for the abolition of the Islamic republic and resignation of the supreme leader. The current president is a hardliner who won the vote amids the lowest turnout in the country's history due to the fact that most of the population boycotted the elections in protest.

Today the slogans have become outright blasphemous and militant. All over Tehran you could hear "Death to Khamenei" and "ditch the Quran,long live Iran"

Police opened fire yesterday, and in retaliation citizens shot dead two police officers. 5 protesters have been killed so far and a tank that had been brought to block the road has been set on fire. Fires and skirmishes with police rage across numerous cities. People in Khuzestan have hoisted the arab separatist flag of Ahvaz. Some protesters can be seen carrying Iranian flags with the islamic emblem cut out. The government has shut down internet in the country.

It's important to remember that /leftypol/ and leftistsbin general have no horses in this race. This is a conflict between liberals and religious fundamentalists. Unlike Cuba these appear to be organic grassroots protests. There is very little evidence that these are US orchestrated even though they likely have their blessing. There are no US flags or pro US slogans, and western media is completely silent on the protests as of now. Most people are unaware of them. This is an infight between reactionaries, so please refeain from shitting up the thread with side taking.

This might or might not be a happening, but this thread is for following the situation and posting updates as well as discussion.
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I don't believe a liberal Iran would instantly turn pro-US. Iranian people seem to dislike the US too much to make that feasible. Even so, if you admit it makes the fight easier for Iranian socialists, then it does bring socialism closer. If I were Iranian, I would find it ridiculous to be told I should not fight to bring down a religious dictatorship simply because it is inconvenient for some international game of chess


>if a liberal regime comes to power these policies would undoubtedly continue.
>Think materially not realistically
Ah, yes, that's why the U.S. is sabotaging, sanctioning, because Iran will be the same no matter who.


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By which you of course mean "actual democracy". You have imbibed a lot of propaganda, anon. It's okay, it's never too late to get educated. Democracy has two critical components: citizen involvement in decision-making and government officials selected by random lot. Elections, on the other hand, are an oligarchic tool that always selects for the better off in society to "represent" the worse off even before a single vote is cast. The Romans and Spartans both elected their leaders and yet they never claimed to be democracies. The fiction of equating elections with democracy was an invention by 18th century aristocrats attempting to appeal to populist sentiment without actual empowering the populace.


Despite the OP being a disgusting ziokike who should be purged during the Ba'ath reconquest, he is right, Iranians are as much of an enemy and occupier of our people as the ziokikes and the turks, all of them are sides of the same coin, FREEDOM FOR AHWAZ


My wish is for communists to take over the country but that's not gonna happen is it?

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These books will change your life. Read them.

<1. Capital, Vol. I | Karl Marx

The classpill. Discover the extent to how the bourgeosie exploit you. NOTE: I wouldn't recommend reading it in its entirety as Marx was a shit writer and Capital is completely disorganized. Perhaps pick up the David Harvey companion book and jump around with Capital as if it was a textbook. Also, don't bother with Vols. II and III, those are just for the autists.

<2. The Unique and Its Property | Marx Stirner

The egopill. Eliminate your spooks, be your Unique. Or, in layman's terms, be gay and do crime.

<3. The Society of the Spectacle | Guy Debord

The situationistpill. The book examines the “Spectacle,” Debord’s term for the everyday manifestation of capitalist-driven phenomena; advertising, television, film, and celebrity. Everything about capitalist society starts to make much more sense after reading this.

<4. Capitalist Realism | Mark Fischer

The doomerpill. Or, as I like to call it, the realistpill. From wikipedia because I got lazy:

"According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.[3]"
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almost died of laughter
fuckin trots


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> The Society of the Spectacle
like 60-70% of this was gibberish to me and i read capital


I have read all of these. Capital and The Ego and Its Own are worth reading, Society of the Spectacle is prose poetry with a few valuable insights but it's hardly a rigorous work of theory. Capitalist Realism is a suicidal man bitching about psychiatry (so not worth reading). Desert is hilariously bad. Read it for a laugh readdesert.org. If you are intelligent you'll read all of these and become a marxist. If you're an idiot you'll read all of them and become OP.


sage for doublepost but I didn't see this until after my previous post. I also read this because one of my anarchist friends became a taoist. It's literally the dumbest book I've ever read. Pure sophistry.


t. not one with the Tao

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Just read the first volume of his most well known work (The Accursed Share) and honestly i can sorta see why people view him as similar to land in some of his [Economic] views.

The way he describes the functioning of capitalism both in an esoteric way but also in a systemic way. His descriptions of capital expansion as extension being caused by pressure within the capitalist system like a machine filling up with steam, Capitalist opulence and excess and failed capitalist enterprise / the wealth and resources squandered arbitrarily as a release valve for the system (Capital descruction), Wars in the imperialist, inter-power and civil sense as a result of capitalisms tendency to expand butting up against unconquerable GeoPolitical, Geographic and ecological limits. With the solution being the taming of this wasted surplus and with it the closing of the release valve rapid, prolonged and Accelerating expansion of capital towards final ecological and geographic barriers.

The only real systems that could possibly do this would be Socialism or Lands Corporate city state bullshit.

Either way i think he's definitely a foreunner to land and the entire /acc trend.
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Doesn't schizophrenia have a negative correlation with high intelligence? (Although a rather minor one?)


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What exactly is base materialism? What's the deal with his views on what fascism is?


You got his sloppy seconds 10 years after they separated


I'd love entire historiographies written like the accursed share

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I've never actually heard a solid, real argument against accelerationism. People just parrot that it's stupid and ultra and "doesn't work", but nobody provides any evidence whatsoever for their claims.

Historically, every major incident of working class uprising followed or occurred in tandem with a major capitalist crisis. WW1 resulted in a wave of socialist uprisings across Europe, mass unionization pushes in just about every civilized part of the planet, and a successful socialist revolution in Russia. WW2 resulted in the takeover of China by victorious communist forces, the mass decolonization of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, the socialist liberation of more or less the entirety of Eastern Europe, and unprecedented rates of unionization in the West.

By what possible fucking stretch of the imagination could someone seriously and genuinely argue that accelerating the contradictions of capitalism "doesn't work" to produce communist uprising? Historically, it is the fucking ONLY thing that works. If anything, milquetoast reformism and cautious labor activism have shown themselves to be complete failures to producing anything resembling a strong and effective communist movement.

Only the grinding, breaking gears of surplus value extraction can lead to the liberation of the masses. Anything else is a silly, liberal pipe dream.
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Amphetamines get to.


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landian accelerationism has nothing to do with whatever bs op is talking abt


so become a capitalist?


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accelerationism is idealist and infantile because it assumes there is a concrete amount of capitalist development that will inevitably led to a revolution all while ignoring the organization of the proletariat and how it can be affected by the same developments that in the mind of the accelerationists are supossed to cause the end of capital anyways OP is not even talking about accelerationism since "accelerating the contradictions of capitalism" is literally what all communist movements have done and is inherent to their nature to be "accelerating" elements since revolution is not even possible without them

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this might belong in /b/ but, I was thinking about Ferdinand Sassure and linguistics and how, no words or concepts are atomic. Every concept is an interface in the sense that it's meaning is based on relations to other objects/concepts. Even things like awareness (implies being aware of something).

So with that in mind, the concept of woman is not an atomic one, it involves many things and objects that are all related to each other. It isn't culture specific either because any Bedouin or Siberian man would agree that a white woman is still a *woman*, even though she has different customs and her own ideas of femininity that aren't theirs.

Transgender people are called trans women or Two-spirit and not women because they are a fundamentally different thing than regular women. Like, nobody can say they are 100% the exact same thing, right? that's like calling red blue


>or Two-spirit
uygha are you a native american from 1812 or some shit
anyways trans women is as much a concept as womanhood as a tomboy is, and just as tomboy was once excluded from the mainstream conception of what womanhood constituted, trans people will be integrated into the conception of belonging as well - that or the very concept of womanhood itself will be destroyed as a consequence of rapid social upheaval under socialism redefining what it even means to begin with.

its all largely academic and mostly pedantic, nobody cares much for the exact definitions because people only loosely associate with the identity to begin with, the idea of the identity itself is a mix of cultural stereotypes and personal biases creating a false image of being


>anyways trans women is as much a concept as womanhood as a tomboy is, and just as tomboy was once excluded from the mainstream conception of what womanhood constituted,

there's a key difference, and I grew up in that time so I would know. tomboys were still considered women, but not womanly. so, a tomboy was an unfeminine woman, but still a woman nevertheless.

>trans people will be integrated into the conception of belonging as well - that or the very concept of womanhood itself will be destroyed as a consequence of rapid social upheaval under socialism redefining what it even means to begin with.

You don't know that. Far more likely to happen will be that, under Communism, transgender men will experience difficulties in finding sexual relationships and remain rare unless the population continues to boom, requiring more of them

>its all largely academic and mostly pedantic, nobody cares much for the exact definitions because people only loosely associate with the identity to begin with, the idea of the identity itself is a mix of cultural stereotypes and personal biases creating a false image of being

A Siberian man would still consider a woman from another culture a woman, it isn't cultural


womanly is cultural, woman is not

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Today I want to attack the culture war question from a different angle. When do you guys foresee the end of it all? And How?

Obviously, with most things in history, there is no clear start and end date. We all generally recognize at some point in the early 2010's things became different. The rise of social media giants like FB, Twitter, Reddit ect. triggered some pretty drastic changes in political discourse. Old ideologies found new credence. A whole new vocabulary was invented among the youth. The rate at which news was disseminated, contextualized and recontextualized became blindingly fast. A culture war more intense than that of the 1960s swept over the western world and continues raging to this day.

How does it all end, leftypol? Do the corporations get to keep pulling our strings with their algorithms? Will it be a contributing factor to the final downfall of the American empire? How do you foresee the tech censorship question being resolved? Will there a serious movement among young people to escape wagie life, go outside, eat right and function socially again?


When it comes to Tech im kinda landpilled. In that, I think that human slavery by tech is ongoing and inevitable. The only thing that could stop this is a socialist movemnt.

I think China and the way it interacts with tech has the potential to do this. Its direction towards the ecomy provides the potential for people oritentated technology. Although this is yet to be realised,

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Several sources reported, this week, that ELEVEN soldiers and LEOs have died as they represented the United States of America.

As the Capital Riots which God sent to reward America for THEIR continued rebellion against Him result in prosecutions, this week it was revealed that one such rebel was an off-duty DEA Special Agent who brought his service weapon along, and further evidence show him live chatting with other LEOs who were seemingly ALSO involved in the rebellion: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mark-ibrahim-dea-agent-arrested-capitol-riot-gun-badge/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09#

Mumbai saw the highest rainfall in one day in the past seven years which caused flash flooding and “mini landslides”, and ended up killing 25 people: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-18/highest-one-day-july-rainfall-in-seven-years-kills-15-in-mumbai?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=tictoc&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&s=09


According to this piece, “Extreme weather is sweeping the world…”: https://www.businessinsider.com/photo-video-europe-china-flooding-oregon-siberia-canada-wildfires-2021-7?amp=&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

While places which rarely burn, ARE: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/world/wildfires-siberia-us-canada-climate-intl/index.html?utm_term=multi-image&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2021-07-22T11%3A19%3A06&utm_medium=social&s=09

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Why exactly did Trotsky support the gold standard? Was his support of it reasonable at the time? Concerning the fait currency debate, how should a modern Marxist this dilemma?
>inb4 this isn't worth a thread
Then you should've replied to the question when I posted it in the QTDDTOT thread.
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If you aspire at all towards the "scientific" socialism espoused by Marx and Engels, you'll recognize that modern monetary theory has all the actual empirical support behind it. Goldbuggery is wrong and stems from an ahistorical understanding of money.


>in the QTDDTOT thread
Let's be honest those kinds of threads have only ever functioned to kill the rate of engaging, informative discussion thread creation.


I tried looking it up, it seems that his claim was specifically about the Soviet Union, and he was afraid that basing the Rubel on something other than gold would exclude it from the global market which would lead to the decline of the economy.


At the time pegging the currency to gold was seen as a way to stabilise prices and prevent massive inflation, either that or integration into the world financial markets and access to state foreign currency exchanges that would ensure the good reputation and reliability of the currency abroad. At the time the nascent soviet state was severely lacking in the latter due to the whole 'everyone else wants us dead' factor so the gold standard was the natural alternative.
Fiscal policy and the thinking about inflation changed a lot since the 20s and no one holds to the gold standard anymore, so none of the conditions apply and the question isn't relevant to modern conditions.


Lol this already happened with oldbo purges

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Who would you say are the most 'accessible' leftist figures? Like if you asked the average worker about them they would say "Yeah I agree with their beliefs".
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can he even be considered a leftist? i think of him more like a right wing laborist like vargas and peron


I mean I guess if you explained the ideas of most revolutionaries to the common worker they would agree too even if they had never heard of the guy before (prolly better if they havent since any well known revolutionary has been demonized)


>and he even yelled at her after that


Yeah, fucking this. Why do I give a shit about whether someone calls himself a "SocDem" or a "socialist" or what ever, when they are shitting on Cuba. Actions is where it matters.


>informant hack with a cozy academic position telling people to vote for Clinton
Nice, get people into that radical-to-Dem pipeline.

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