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 No.1232285[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Truss is bust.

Boris stands with comfortable lead for a triumphant comeback.

Next up, potentially the first Indian PM. Rishi Sunak.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/20/liz-truss-news-resign-pm-conservative-party-general-election/
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>>1266339
Only one will get you a 12% discount on the most revolutionary rugs in London.

 No.1266580

I didn't realize but Vice has done interviews with Solstar (London red gym) a year ago and Left Hook (Brighton red gym) four years ago. So that's cool.

 No.1266585

>>1266339
The ML ones are choking on anti woke idpol

 No.1266593

>>1266580
>Left Hook
hah, the Peter Irving interview
>[Unlike Britain First, who mostly aren't as ideological] whereas a group like National Action, you're really talking about, sort of a hard fringe of just really weird guys… They're fuckin' nerds.

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 No.915584[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This is a thread only for people who actually do IRL organizing to exchange tactics and ideas. Its time to stop whining about bullshit like Wiccans or shizo pedo rape cult conspiracies, and actually get some actual lessons out of each other, for fucks sake.

Explain your situation, ask a question on what you would like some advice on, and give insight into what you do right now and how successful you are.

Let me start off
>I am the chairman of a local chapter of a socialist nation wide youth org of a european country
>We have, on paper, 90+ youth members in our local chapter
>We have, on paper, 1000+ members nationally
>Recently formed out of a split, still very much in flux
>The real local cadre is around 10-15 people with varying levels of commitment, about 6 people at each weekly or so meeting
>The ideological and practical education of our cadre is low
>Following a broadly orthodox marxist line, as opposed to classical marxist leninist, or maoist, but also containing trotskyites and anarchists

Now the thing I would like your feedback on is explaining how you conduct meetings, how to educate cadre, how to retain cadre, how to ensure people show up, what communist youths are even supposed to do. So let me sketch out what we do now

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>>1265377
thanks anon, im checking them out.

 No.1265379

>>1265378
> For a twenty-hour workweek with no loss in pay and a national minimum wage of $1,000 per week.
absolutely joining now, im a single issue Marxist

 No.1265381

>>1265379
based and work pilled

 No.1265410

IMT is like the most expensive reading group that exists

 No.1266543

>>1265030
You're in a good spot to get more comrades into those positions though, until the whole crew of the ship is communist then you can



 No.1265670[Reply]

I'm very new to marxism, but is freedom of speech possible in a marxist society? As of now criticizing capitalism is possible despite us living in a capitalist society. Would that be the case in a marxist one?
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 No.1266431

>>1266421
You seem to think I'm one of the site's ML's, I'm not. I'm pretty fine with most anarchists.

But every system that accepts the basic premise that people live in a society and have to get along with one another in order for that society to work necessarily implies the curtailment of certain actions, including speech.

Stop running silly defense for reactionaries over having sensibilities violated. I doubt you're going to stand up for them if things actually ever got to that point.

 No.1266432

>>1266431
This isn’t “silly defense for reactionaries” to me, are you genuinely having a hard time understanding why I don’t want a government I have no power over to decide what I can and cannot say or think?

 No.1266437

>>1266432
You're talking about a major population system that has a regulation system of some kind, that necessarily entails the running of enormous amounts of machinery and changes and enforces the way people live, think, and act on a daily basis, no matter what. There's no serious way to avoid this sort of issue without accepting the implications of having a society on that kind of level, and there's not a good way to avoid the whole thing altogether unless you're just gonna leave the larger picture of society.

 No.1266438

>>1266437
Maybe I just reject the notion of empowering or accepting unaccountable state machinery to begin with?
Why tf would I ever support something that can kill me on a whim?
Why wouldn’t I assume, since you already want to do away with freedom of speech, next you’d make it a crime to insult you, and after that to merely be critical, and after that just not showing enough support?

Why would I ever trust people like you or a government you want to create in most circumstances actually?

Like you’re basically saying
>Well you see if there’s a state that can regulate all of society they can also arbitrarily decide what you’re allowed to say or not!
Maybe that’s why anti-statist ideologies exist?

 No.1266442

>>1266438
I really have no idea how that'd work out. You seem to think I am proposing this from the position of some Stalin-lover and putting me in the shoes of some dictator but that's not even something I think is useful.I advocated on a couple occasions for a system of liquid democratic decisionmaking.

How would I ban this? Like, what, me personally? Pretty sure most people aren't gonna vote for that. I can think of a lot of people willing to vote to ban racism though.



 No.1255029[Reply]

How did we go from only the USA and Ukraine voting against condemning nazism to ALL of the West being against it in just 4 years?
Was redscare schizo right and the world really is turning more fascist?
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>>1264972
>>1265002
You're not being even remotely subtle.

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>>1255029
The minute Russians started to mass murder Ukrainian civilians because they are "nazis".

 No.1265708

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>>1264972
death to azovites and banderites and all antisemites
death to capitalists like kanye
death to apartheid israel and the racist zionist ideology
death to dumb memes that do false dichotomies (such as yours)

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 No.1266418

Looks to me like Turkey is starting to decide not to be in The West.



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 No.1265858[Reply]

how exactly were these two different? and why do we condemn burkharin but not deng? Its almost as if the difference between these two is one succeded and thus controlled the post mao narrative while burkharin got purged and couldnt do that for stalin. Meanwhile if mao had purged deng, he would have created justifications for deng purge just like stalin did to burkharin.
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>>1265940
>So Deng is a marxist for selling out the proletariat to international capital and letting them be exploited? That just sounds like he was a capitalist.
The national bourgeoisie that emerged under Deng Xiaoping is different from a comprador bourgeoisie in three crucial regards

A) They were never able to subvert the national dictatorship of the vanguard party. This was attempted in 1989 but failed.

B) The "selling out of the proletariat" that occurred under Deng Xiaoping rapidly developed the Chinese economy and brought millions out of poverty.

C) The profits gotten from the development of the national bourgeoisie in China was heavily taxed and socialized. No this is not ideologically pure socialism. But it is much different from what a comprador bourgeoisie does, which is take high interest loans from the imperial core, put themselves in debt to the imperial core, become a neo-colony of the imperial core, and allow the imperial core to own the means of production in the neo-colony. The Americans profit off of cheap chinese labor, but they do not own the Chinese factories. In neo-colonies the means of production are owned by the imperial core and essentially rented from the imperial core. Raw resources are extracted and finished goods are imported. China sells cheap labor but its national bourgeoisie owns the means of production, and are kept on a short leash by the Marxist party. The Chinese are using their national bourgeoisie to fast-forward through a historical phase. Skepticism is warranted, but you regularly see Chinese billionaires jailed or executed for financial crimes which aren't even prosecuted in the United States. Comparative analysis shows HUGE differences between Chinese Capitalism under the governance of a marxist party and American Capitalism under governance of a bourgeois duopoly.

The Chinese system is imperfect, which the Chinese themselves admit, but saying it is the same as every bourgeois country in the imperial core is a failure to notice the particulars. The same goes for the rhetoric of how they do debt diplomacy "just like the IMF." There are serious differences in the particulars that lie beyond the similarities of the general facts.

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>>1265942
Pre-capitalist markets did not function the same way that capitalist markets today function. Imperialism has fundamentally changed the way capitalism works and all the aspects of it.

 No.1265976

>>1265970
I agree. In fact, if I could edit the post you are responding to and add this part at the end, I would.

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>>1266345
i wonder how burkharin would react to china



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 No.1265563[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hey Leftypol. I'm a guy that's been getting into leftist politics, and I'm liking a lot so far, but I still can't get over the "transgender issue". Could I get some arguments debunking the right's arguments against transgender people? As of now, I find them unnatural and "mentally ill" (sorry) but I'm open to change my mind.
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 No.1266860

>>1266855 (me)
i say this because it is far too common to see so-called 'leftists' take the 'i was a leftist but then they tried to make my son gay so now identify as a republican' path in life, when this is just pure reactionary nonsense not grounded in anything substantial, and can only arise from someone who is either completely deluded or was never truly invested in leftist thought in the first place. It is common to get these urges when you see the embarrassment that is the modern western manifestation of leftism, but the takeaway is not that leftism is itself doomed (and so there is no reason to abandon it), but instead that western leftist movements are what are utterly doomed (and so something actually productive and focused must be built up instead).

 No.1267148

Recognising LGBT struggles is incredibly simple. It doesn’t require conceding ground to anyone – to the middle class, to reactionary politics, to postmodernism – but recognising them instead welcomes people who’ve already been radicalised through the contradictions inherent in capitalism. Both poverty and discrimination manifest themselves for LGBT people in a unique way, whether it’s facing homelessness as a teenager for coming out to their parents or discrimination at work, many LGBT people recognise the unjust and harsh realities of capitalism and its reproduction within social structures.

This failure of communist parties to recognise LGBT struggles reveals a resentment towards those parties’ own estrangement from the working class, that any progressive movements without the input and leadership of those outcast parties can be dismissed as not even false but converging on the conspiratorial. And these parties, for the most part, are not outcasts because of their positions as communists, maligned by a bourgeois state and its press, but are outcasts socially through their own doing. The image of dark and gloomy meeting places, to be stared down by men in flat caps who’ve pinned their identity around a fragile masculinity that is tenuously tied to the idea of real work, is all too often confirmed.

My induction to the CPGB-ML in Birmingham, in a drab room where every surface was covered in bright red (presumably as a reminder), was with one person from the party (in a flat cap), an old trade unionist who wouldn’t stop giving us completely irrelevant anecdotes, a comrade from the Oxford branch, and one young member whose entire experience of Marxism-Leninism was through YouTube videos. This younger member asked if I’d heard of the Finnish Bolshevik. I hadn’t, and I told him offhandedly that I generally distrusted YouTube personalities.

And so it’s no surprise that some communist parties even struggle to get women and the most vulnerable people in society to join them – including LGBT people. They are absolutely essential to any communist party, and the failure to have them in the party – especially those who are new and unfamiliar with anyone already in the party – reflects on the party itself far more than anyone in the Central Committees would care to admit.

Firstly, the fundamental misinterpretation of materialism is one that relies on the supremacy of science by equating materialism itself to the natural sciences. ‘MPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>1267148
Great post comrade

 No.1268119

>>1265563
>Could I get some arguments debunking the right's arguments against transgender people? As of now, I find them unnatural and "mentally ill" (sorry) but I'm open to change my mind.
trans people are people
that's all you need
the left is all about solidarity and equality

 No.1270509

>>1265615
This is why I don’t support trans “people” just misogynistic men living life on easy mode



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 No.1265455[Reply]

Ok leftpol so, civilization has collapsed and unrest and riots and murder is all happening at once and there are no more rules, economy failed, government failed, police, hospitals, firefighters, water, food, stores, army are no longer available. Now how are you going to rebuild society and how will you do it and how will it work and function ?

And how are you going to fight other factions and how will you manage economy, politics, trade, laws, history, religion, geography, education, social class, culture, technology, army, police, crime ?

And what ideology will you chose or create ?
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 No.1265983

>civilization has collapsed, murder happening everywhere
Yeah thats not how that works but ok

>Go to my partys office

>Mass meeting
>Try to connect and nify with other left wing groups under principle of democratic centralism
>Establish cells in neighbourhoods and towns
>Use organizing skills to bring people together locally in local councils and engage in self defence against bandits

>And what ideology will you chose or create ?

Retarded question. Whatever is necessary to survive and whatever i can push through.

 No.1266009

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Me iré en una odisea al norte, exploraré las aguas turbias de la tierra perdida de La Florida, e iré rumbo a la antigüa capital del imperio de los ogros para hacer combate con su rey

 No.1266036

>>1265588
ahistorical larper

 No.1266047

>>1266036
We're not talking about history



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 No.1264619[Reply]

is an invasion by the ayys, a la "independence day" the only thing that could actually unite the human race?

>The alien invasion or space invasion is a common feature in science fiction stories and film, in which extraterrestrial lifeforms invade the Earth either to exterminate and supplant human life, enslave it under an intense state, harvest people for food, steal the planet's resources, or destroy the planet altogether.


Is humanity so divided that only allying against an alien adversary could possibly unite us?
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 No.1265241

>Ayys bring communism to humanity
>Maoists go ape shit because of ayylmao “social imperialism” and supports bourgeois Americans against the “revisionist” alien threat

 No.1265766

>>1264619
Any alien race with the technological capacity to invade earth would have no reason to do so unless they felt we are a threat, which we are not. Their level of civilization is so advanced that invading us would be a waste of time.

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>>1264632
1. aliens would not "invade" earth. outright invasion would be the last resort for an alien civilization. it is almost a certainty that an alien invasion would be more like the resistance game series, where they infect humans with diseases that either kill us or cause us to mutate into footsoldiers, assuming that's even possible. orbital strikes, like orbital bombardment, would also be the preferred tactic even in the event of an invasion. flinging space debris even moreso, like throwing asteroids our direction. the buenos aires attack by bug aliens would be real.
2. aliens have already visited earth, assuming they exist. ancient astronaut theorists suggest they helped us build the pyramids. i'd even go as far as to say that the oklo 1.7 billion year old nuclear plant in west africa was their doing. puma punku even. there's even ancient alien anti-spacecraft weapons technology that exists in the valley of death in the yakutsk region of siberia which has sunk beneath the marshes underground, made of an inexplicable material that causes radiation poisoning if you approach. these weapons were probably some of the brahmastra spoken of in the hindu vedas, and were the most likely candidate for what shot the asteroid that blew up above siberia in the tunguska blast.
3. assuming aliens had any plans to invade, they would at least scout out human society first to determine our tech capabilities. this might involve blending in with human society, infiltrating the government and military to do so.

 No.1266041

>>1265028
Amateur astronomers exist

 No.1266046

>>1266044
you'll forgive me if i dont join that group, right? i dont trust that link whatsoever



 No.1265898[Reply]

lolberts, ancaps, and isolationist conservatives are anti-interventionist but not anti-imperialist. There is a fundamental difference in emphasis and a slight difference reasoning. If you listen to Libertarian guys, the emphasis for why these wars were wrong is that we "wasted money" and "got our troops killed." Which is true but the emphasis is placed on the first world taxpayer as the true victim of the imperialist wars. Another difference in reasoning is that, even when they do focus on the 3rd world victims, they usually focus on loss of property and violation of their national sovereignty. The fact that American corporations made record profits and that Iraqis are still being born with birth defects from depleted Uranium is entirely ignored. The fact that the Iraqi economy went from nationalized to privatized (highly in line with Austrian economics championed by lolberts) is also ignored.

Anti-imperialists place the emphasis less on the first world taxpayer and more on the proletarian victims in the invaded country, and do not try to ignore the record profits made by the first world MIC bourgeoisie.

Also regarding: "The new litmus test is being against NATO." I wish this were the case. Having the based anti-imperialist opinion never functions as the litmus test (the implication being that you "pass" the litmus test if you have based opinions). They instead function the opposite. Having the based opinion gets you ex-communicated from bourgeois politics for 20 years and then later on everyone will admit you were right after it no longer matters. Same as Iraq/Afghanistan. In fact sometimes even that isn't the case. People still aren't against NATO in Yugoslavia. Just total amnesia.

 No.1265920

Yugoslavia is particularly ridiculous since the UN admitted there was no genocide. It was a purely unilateral decision by the US to destroy the last remnant of the Non-Aligned Movement and set up a puppet state in the Balkans, which to this day is only recognized by the US and US puppets. https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/09/07/UN-court-rules-no-genocide-in-Kosovo/5224999835200/



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 No.1262625[Reply]

edward glowden is a glowie and loves to suck off the private sector and pretend they're totally unrelated to the government even though all the major tech monopolies are subsidized to the tune of billions and have their origins in public sector surveillance projects
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>>1263930
>Look into the history of what Tor is and the purpose of the project. It's not some organic activist project, it's an anonymization layer that government/military projects created. So no, them funding it isn't suspicious, it's within their interest as the primary users.

This is what Yasha Levine found suspicious about it, and it's what compelled him to write about it. Silicon Valley CEOs and Edward Snowden were pushing it as if it were privacy software to protect the public from govt. spying. Read the pages in the OP.

 No.1265808

>>1264209
Are you just saying that because he's been criticizing liberals and the left more than the right lately? What is so suspect about Greenwald?

 No.1265854

>he's been criticizing liberals and the left more than the right lately?
<What is so suspect about Greenwald?

answered your question before you asked it. Red Brownwald loves to point out problems with the establishment, throw the libs under the bus, and push the establishment conservatives as somehow the solution. His entire schtick is this pseudo-anti-establishment that preys on people's anti-liberal instincts and turns them in a reactionary direction instead of a revolutionary direction. he goes on tucker, that wannabe CIA swanson heir, and sucks off his faux-populist bullshit

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 No.1266355

>>1264237
Explain or fuck off.



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