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They're just like the incels but SO MUCH WORSE! How could the right ever have achieved such an abomination?

https://unicornriot.ninja/2024/sextortion-coms-inside-a-vile-child-exploitation-cult-run-by-nazi-linked-teens/

Holy fuck, these people are vile.
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Its all GLADIO

>>2519646
The article's got a bit about Riley Williams, the Capitol rioter:
>In fact, several of the photos from the FBI Statement of Facts in her case are from a Cvlt-related Discord server where she boasted about stealing the laptop among other things. She also shared two separate videos of herself saying “Heil Hitler” as well as photos of her fansigning BERSERKR across her chest.
Could be getting her tits out professionally and earning some money from it. Notoriety only makes punters more thirsty. She could be like an evil version of Louise Rosealma.

>>2538082
>be me
>make a post about Riley last thing before going to sleep
>dream I am Riley
>in hospital
>trying to donate blood
>wake up at 4AM
>going to post about Riley again
>then go back to sleep
>and be me this time
>and fuck Riley in her hospital bed

>

>>2519646
I can fix the chick in the middle. I'll read Marx to her while we're both snuggling in bed and she'll get. Then she'll be my Krupskaya to my Lenin and we'll both lead the revolution.

>>2538373
I think it might take more than that, anon.
But she's definitely
>fixable



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Right now the Trump administration is signaling its intentions to begin criminalizing the left, opening investigations, and moving to eliminate even the most non-threatening anarchist book clubs. They're speaking openly about designating "antifa" as a terrorist organization. Will anyone be surprised if within a couple years the PSL, the DSA, and your local larp group are also designated as criminal organizations? Will anyone in Europe or anywhere controlled by American influence be surprised if right wing governments there adopt the same methods they do in the US?

How can serious left wing organizers under these conditions continue to engage in building above ground parties engaged in feckless reformism under these conditions? Yes, officer, here is our formal centralized list of dues paying members and their legal names and credit card numbers. We have a right to free speech, officer. We're a legally registered nonprofit organization, officer. You'll be hearing from my lawyer, officer. Does this seem like a strategy prepared for the future to you?

People need to shift their organizing underground in advance and we should have done it yesterday. We need to build hardened cell networks and we need to take encryption and countersurveillance seriously. These cell networks need to be seriously prepared for prolonged asymmetric conflict against the most sophisticated surveillance state on Earth. If a crackdown happens, even if you aren't violent, it would be infinitely preferable to be in a hardened underground group that survives instead of sitting out in the open larping that this time we can make social democracy work or that our book club will amount to anything.

Right now, Trump is just a senile figurehead for a cabal of guys like Stephen Miller who are gearing up for Palantir fascism and race war. Anyone who could stand in their way has proven themselves to be too cucked to attempt anything. The worse the economy gets, the more they're going to start lashing out at the low hanging fruit.

>inb4 burger/europoor proles are incapable of revolution so why bother


If you do nothing there's a good chance that they're going to kill you personally, retard. The burgerreich endseig will not be fun to live through. If you don't plan on moving to China somehow you should take this seriously.
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How would you actually convince anyone to join a underground group though
Its already hard enough to get them to read a book

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>>2537260
I can join your underground cell :)

>>2537070
1. all that's required is the ability to have conversations with coworkers, not necessarily on the clock. This is not a high bar
2. if we all lose our jobs and there's a huge surplus population then I'd advise going door to door and seeing who else is in the same boat and organizing the unemployed, and immediately engaging in taxation or some form of banditry to keep yourself fed and free

>>2537260
Only people seriously committed to liberation would join. Don't expect it to be like a mass above-ground org where the goal is to make anyone join and then educate them. Educate and vet them first in low stakes front groups that can build their resolve and knowledge of the scope of injustice and what it takes to win. Secondary reasons to join could be a sense of agency in a chaotic world, camaraderie, and the safety net provided by mutual aid - all the things missing in society for the average person.

>>2521599
i'm still in awe at how stupid this take is, even two weeks after it was dropped.

>>2537260
if someone is too ADHD to read give them youtube videos
also people dont need to be super theorybrained to get involved in revolutionary politics

keep it simple
the system doesnt work we need a new system we can organize whats necessary now and form a group based on that interest of making dual power its easy to see its necessity



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The point isn't to teach racists, but to end the system that needs racism. As long as people compete to survive, they'll keep inventing reasons to hate. Racism will survive every round of moral re-education until the social order that breeds it is gone.

>>2537946
fine but that implies the superstructure will instantly disappear which isnt true, considering religion, racism and superstitions are super structural memes which have long outlived their usefulness yet persist.

>>2537950
>instantly
It naturally follows if competition becomes outdated along with all the baggage from the capitalist MOP. Nobody said anything about some vague "instantly".

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>>2537946
Education plays a part in social development.

>screenshot of an uncredited blockquote
otherwise good take OP



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Within the social body of capitalism, in which classes function as an unconscious sub-organism, the interest of any particular class, in the final instance, overrides the will of its individual representatives. This scientific truth, however, is often concealed behind the mask of two seemingly opposing, yet equally pernicious, illusions.

The first of these is the illusion of heroic individualism, the act of rebellious individual will, whose most stubborn defenders are often anarchists. No matter how fervently they have fought against oppression, their insistence on the absolute freedom of the individual and their rejection of centralized party struggle is historically an expression of the despair and incapacity of the petty bourgeoisie (as well as already defunct or nearly defunct classes like the impoverished nobility, aristocracy, etc.) to comprehend the power of collective action. Their "act of rebellion," however honest in its intent, ultimately remains a gesture which, by rejecting discipline and organization, objectively serves to maintain the status quo – because it is always easier for the bourgeois class to deal with isolated rebels than with a firmly organized working class.

The second, opposing illusion, is the illusion of classless populism, employed today by social democrats, liberals, and others who believe the current social order can be preserved, or who are simply reformists. Upon closer inspection, their talk of "the unity of the people," "justice for all," and "dialogue" is mere rhetoric that conceals the inevitability of class struggle. By appealing to "everyone," they are in fact nurturing the bourgeoisie's interest in social peace and the reduction of tensions, while the structural basis of exploitation remains untouched. Their policy does not aim to overcome capitalism, but to make it more tolerable, and thereby preserve it.

From this unavoidable conflict arises one clear and unpleasant conclusion for those who strive for an "independent" stance: in a society divided into classes, there is no possibility for a neutral or supra-class politics. The attempt to adopt such a position signifies nothing but the unconscious service to the interests of one of the warring sides.

Therefore, the only truly conscious politics for the working class is neither mere syndicalist bargaining, nor the populist demand for reforms within the system, nor is it disorganized violence in the form of terrorism and heroic expPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2537554
The world has never been literate, Marx and Engels suck so who cares

Become the true and only communist

>>2537570
Loneliness is worse for you than drinking and smoking

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>>2537280
>socialism, fascism, or fascism
?



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I have been a Fascist (Metaxist Specifically) for the past 4 Years. I believe all the standard fascist talking points. But the more and more time passes, the more and more I feel like i am disillusoned with my beliefs. This started in the beggining of this year. I feel like more and more that my Christian Orthodox beliefs, that i aquired as a based trad greek nationalist faith, is in direct conflict with my third postionist beliefs which have their bases in Platonism and the Abolition of the Self to a mega organism. I started not believin in the Holocoast, but more and more I think that its possible. David Irving didn't deny it, and I am rn reading about the Posen Speeches.I am thinking of commiting a genocide to a different type of ethnic group atleast once a day, so If its possible for me, i think it would also be possible for him. I really feel like a monster… But at the same time, I feel like I am stuck between a rock and a tough place. Leftoids hate my Religion, my Nation, my Race, my Family and want to exterminate all of them. You are also idiots who allign themselves with third worldist Religious Fundamentalists and Ethnonationalists to own the White Christians11!!!! I truly hope God can help me choose the right path. Maybe I can just ignore politics and become a Christian Normie, but I feel like I need to fight for something. So yea, My Question for you is, why should I become a leftist when the left hates my Religion and People and will actively Allign with foreign religious and ethnic enemies to destroy me… If you convience me I will become a ChristSoc (there is a good party here, although its tiny it has an old history and i met them at a confrence, very good people)
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>>2538037

Honeslty Worshipping Nords or Nikkers is idiotic. Obviously we are closer to the Nords though. Only a European Unity can save our people. But you are a jew sooo. Amazing that there are still cryptojews doing this stuff. I thought it was a greek nationalist myth.

>>2537482
Every single one of these worthless pieces of shit need to be deported. Absolutely unacceptable.

>>2538629
hehehe you will all come to us

nordmommy pls respond I need your help finding a gf…

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>>2537357
You can't be an anarchist, a marxist, a third positionist or a liberal for you can only be Christian



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Funny thing about grand revolutions: they begin with street chants and barricades and end with incense and rulebooks. The same people who promised to smash the old order end up arguing over footnotes and purity tests, reciting doctrine like a prayer and measuring virtue by who can perform the greatest act of renunciation.

If you follow that logic to its inevitable, slightly absurd conclusion, you don’t get a workers’ paradise so much as a monastery — think Mount Athos, but with manifestos. All the fire and fury collapses into cloistered doctrinal debates, and the big promise of changing the world becomes an elaborate exercise in proving who can renounce it best.

Maybe that’s the real future of communism: a bunch of terminally-onlines holed up on some island mountain — hell, maybe even Cuba — navel-gazing for eternity.
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>>2501544
You do it for me

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Having studied both bourgeois and proletarian revolutions from the 1600s to now I think the general pattern is not what OP is saying. The pattern is more like:

>General decline of an old system

< Some elements of that old system try and reform it from the inside
> They either fail to reform it or don't go far enough to satisfy the masses
< The masses get educated, agitated, organized, and militant, usually under some vanguard leadership
> they smash and overthrow the old order, and they seize the machinery of governance, or make their own new machinery
< having won, the most ideologically pure members of the vanguard of the revolution immediately begin fighting one another, and purge internal elements of the vanguard that are accused of being either inadequately revolutionary, or secretly reactionary
> meanwhile, outside reactionary forces try to overthrow the revolution by arming and training reactionaries
< the most conservative forces of the revolution take power from the most ideologically pure and try to stabilize the situation, while at the same time dealing with the fragility of the revolutionary state by trying to actually govern society normally, and handle the counter revolutionary forces on the outside who are trying to overthrow the revolution. sometimes they handle the counter revolutionaries through war, other times through clever diplomacy and trade.
> the revolutionary forces are either overthrown or they succeed and become a stable government. if they are overthrown, go back to step 1. if they succeed…
< there is a period of stability and good governance, but systems tend to ossify and become corrupt, leading back to the beginning, but in a new age, and under new conditions, new class relations, a new mode of production, etc.

>>2501885

So Whats the point of being an a communist member before and right after the revolution? Just wait to jump in the moment they succeed and just went they start ossifying. Otherwise its too risky.

>>2501911
because otherwise it wont happen. and internal purges and factionalism, why they might be a near inevitability to some extent, dont need to be nearly as extensive as many historical examples. the PRC e.g., even with the chaos and instability of the cultural revolution, still managed major shifts in political leadership and ideology without major ruptures in continuity of governance and maintained experienced cadre through those crises.

Mounta Athos is based and you are cringe.



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I hate the “Western Civilization” narrative that conservatives and even many liberals persuade
Here are some gripes I have with it in no particular order:
#1 Why is Israel in the west even though it doesn’t touch any other “Western” countries?
#2 If Israel is in the West then how is this not just a euphemism for white supremacy?
#3 How is Russia not a part of western civilization?
#4 If this was real then why would communism be a threat to western civilization if it was made in the west?
#5 Why are “Western values” so good if the only reason the west was successful is because of colonialist violence?
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Why isnt latin america considered part of the west? and being mixed race doesn't even disqualify it if the USA is the westest

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"the west" is code for "countries that exploited others & didn't get properly punished for it after WW2"
literally the bourgeois on an international level
the axis were rightfully crushed, but the allies get to act like they've done no wrong

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>>2537306
>properly punished for it
spooky
either you take the bag from the ruling class or you don't
there is no "proper" "punishment"

>>2537335
Amoral scum like you, Marx, and any of his acolytes will be an obstacle

>>2537335
the only people that could've truly punished them at the time were the anarchists, but marxists kept on getting in the way
we'd have some anarcho-communist strongholds today, if marxist socialists hadn't been so obsessed with needing a state back then



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>Made agrarian reform possible despite land grabbers
>Pushed a labour reform despite the opposition of big corporations and mainstream media outlets
>First president to denounce Palestinian genocide and cut ties with Israel
>blocked and targeted by Trump's administration and the US Congress
>Now in the OFAC Sanction List
>Calls himself a socialist
>Goes on long anti-US rant in public television
>Everything seems to be ready for a coup to happen

Is he on the way to become our modern-day Allende?
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So what did he actually do in M19? Why was M19 so short lived compared to the other Colombian guerrilla groups?

>>2536416
>Is he on the way to become our modern-day Allende?
NO
PETRO WILL WIN
MUERA ESTADOS UNIDOS

>>2536424
>So what did he actually do in M19?
Nothing important, he was just a young militant.

>Why was M19 so short lived compared to the other Colombian guerrilla groups?

<Internationally isolated, M-19 saw itself unable to continue the armed struggle: As late as 1988, an attempt was made to solicit weapons shipments from Socialist East Germany, but, following reservations from the Ministry of National Defense, the Foreign Ministry, and the Ministry for State Security, the request was denied in the end. The M-19 eventually gave up its weapons, received pardons and became a political party in the late 1980s, the M-19 Democratic Alliance ("Alianza Democrática M-19", or (AD/M-19)), which renounced the armed struggle. Eventually the M-19 returned Bolívar's sword as a symbol of its demobilization and desire to change society through its participation in legal politics.

>>2536416
>>Made agrarian reform possible despite land grabbers
explain?

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>>2536470
< Under President Gustavo Petro, Colombia has made unprecedented progress in agrarian reform, distributing 570,000 hectares of land to peasants. The government has also reclaimed illegally occupied land, including properties tied to (far right)paramilitary leaders, while exposing alarming land inequality: 65% of fertile land is controlled by just 1% of owners.

< During the Council of Ministers at the Casa de Nariño, Petro stated: “The 570,000 hectares that this government has handed over will go down in history as a great achievement that proves that agrarian reform is possible in Colombia.”



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Ok, fellow humans, I have a question: how do I know which side is actually the true right side? The left keep saying that they are the righteous one, meanwhile the right say too that they are the real ones, ok, then how can I actually know which side of the political spectrum is right after all? I have this doubt. How can I know if the left or right are actually true and honest?
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oh this is a JAQing off racism thread in disguise. he tried to hold it in for a while but now he's doing muh crime statistics muh behavioral genetics

>>2533736
>all this yapping
more worthless religious scripture
>READ THESE BOOKS
why should i when i have a functioning mind?
>>2534552
if you shot suffering people in the head, all their bad feelings go away. is this good?
>>2534572
you were right in your first paragraph then entirely fell off.

>>2534838

For certain kinds of utilitarian, yes. For some some of them its even the optimal way to proceed.

I don't necessarily myself consider it good though (and I am not any variant of utilitarian).

My main point though was that normative differences play an essential role in determining differences in answers to some of these questions.

>>2533106
>one side wants everyone to be slaves to some elite whereas the other side wants everyone to be equal and happy

True but not the way you imagined.

>>2534838
>you were right in your first paragraph then entirely fell off.
no counter argument just assertions



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The rot in bourgeois society is all pervasive. It is to be found at the most fundamental level: the quantum level. We need to start by clearly and plainly stating: the Heisenberg-Bohr clique is wrong.
Let us not be mistaken; the mathematics of quantum physics as developed in the early 20th century is correct, within its presupposed assumptions and scales of interest of course. However, the so-called Copenhagen interpretation is wrong. It is as its name implies, only an interpretation, and a wrong one at that. Bohr and Heisenberg's conservative and anti-communist personal beliefs are well-known, this inevitably led them to wage war on the materialist conception of physics with fanatic vigour. When one moves beyond the level of pop-science and one delves into the details of this interpretation, specially its history, it is clear that Bohr and Heisenberg (mostly Bohr) behaved like goons in promoting their mystic interpretation and bullied materialist opponents such as De Broglie, Bohm and others. Even within their Copenhagen circle, they silenced and shunned self-avowed Marxists like Rosenfeld who raised pertinent questions about their interpretation. Marxists must not blindly take the word of pop-scientists and bourgeois Ivy League professors; Marxists must take the pain of reading and understanding the source material (the physics, the mathematics AND the socio-history). The Copenhagen Interpretation, in short, is the Hayek, the von Mises, the Milton Friedman equivalent of physics. It is to no surprise that old wolves like Einstein and Schrödinger were never convinced and kept howling materialist critiques at the idealist drivel. Comrades, let us take a pause from the endless IDpol, the endless revisionism v/s orthodoxy, the endless Bordiga v/s Pannekoek debates, and let us focus on the more important issue: the suffocation of correct materialist science in favour of idealist, metaphysical, quasi-religious 'science' promoted by often brilliant physicists who behave more like Gurus and Caliphs because of their conservative and reactionary personal beliefs.
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>>2499845
>consciousness causes collapse
this isn't even the mainstream view. the collapse is caused by 'observation' which is the same thing as physical interaction eg a rock next to a rock collapse each other

>>2499923
>just merely observing something can cause a change in it because
its called the measurement problem and it happens because everything is interrelational. measuring something, even light with eyes or a camera, is the same as physically touching it, so of course it changes. not just the object but also the observer. it actually does happen instantaneously, reality has been proven nonlocal, but the information cant be interpreted by a conscious agent because of the speed limit. bohmian mechanics solves the measurement problem by not isolating the observer from the observed in the system. or as hegel says "substance is subject". this proves meterialist dialectics to be correct and the motivated reasoning for remaining in this ignorance holds scientific advancements back

>>2499944
Also from a purely scientific perspective, the Big Bang narrative arises by ‘rewinding’ the current cosmological equations. Problem is, these cosmological theories have stuff like dark matter and dark energy which have ZERO evidence so far.
So we cannot even trust that model for current observations without the ‘magic’ of dark matter and dark energy, but sure, lets reverse the time direction, obtain a singularity and believe that without question.
A singularity in mathematics denotes a region where a modle breaks down or atleast a region not described by the model, it is not something one is supposed to just accept as correct.

>>2500139

I personally suspect that the Chinese concept of the Tao is the closest we've ever gotten to a model that illustrates the real fundamental truth that unifies all of existence. I think that beneath all the emergent phenomenona there is one fundamental Truth that is infinite and inherently unknowable and cannot be described with any language because information is a product of distinction between two discrete things.

>>2500383
i think its a reasonable conclusion but since the observer is the observed we can derive absolute truths about the universe since we are a part of it. truths that hold for one hold for the other, as above so below. lenin got really mad at this for what he called "agnosticism", the type of thing where people like kant say we cant know the thing in it self. if reality is in principle unknowable then we cant really know if anything exists and you ultimately fall into solipsism or at least something like descartes demon or the modern version which is simulation theory. just because a thing is indescribable by the nature of it being a part of the whole and us not having infinite time to list its properties in relations, which would be in the end describing everything, as we are limited by our existence as finite beings, doesn't mean it is unknowable in principle. our ability to discover and use these natural laws is proof that we are apprehending something real about the system of which we are a part and so material practice overcomes theoretical agnosticism. its not that the universe is unknowable, it is actually infinitely knowable, and life is one of the ways it knows. i dont get as mad because like i said i think it makes sense we just have to be careful not to be neoplatonic that the One is some kind of ideal nor matter as an object in vulgar materialism but matter in motion as a relation.

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