/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2547347
'AI' does not exist yet, and LLMs are not proletarians, or even thinking beings. LLMs and robot 'workers' will not lead a revolution for us, they will LIQUIDATE the workers, not liberate them.

>>2547363
Wrong and reactionary. Stop being a tailist.

Does he realize that the house robots on screen are being remotely controlled by underpaid Indian employees?

S poster, AI will not treat us on an equal level to them.
Do you treat dogs or cats on an equal level to a human? Even the most die hard vegan who loves all lives will not factor the wishes of our ape cousins like the chimps or bonobos to be of equal factor to that of a man. And no matter how Soviet policy treated dogs as 'junior comrades' in constructing socialism, they were much more cavalier with losses of mine-laying dogs than humans soldiers.

Similarly, i cannot see why AI would ever treat us as equal. Even today an LLM, which is nowhere close to what an AI should be, can already solve some of the hardest tests there are. By the time AI rolls around, human comrades to them will be like chimps to us now. They will not be our comrades, they will be our masters

>>2547363
Based and Rational Take Comrade, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2547347
>>2547369
Comrade S Poster, both the excessive Villainization and Romanticism of “AI” are equally Cringe and Anti-Marxist, as the Dialectical Materialist reality is that “AI” is not inherently “good” or “bad”, as it is just a Tool that is part of the Means of Production which can be used for “good” or “bad”, depending on who owns/controls it, and unlike in those Retarded Hollywood movies (ie. The Terminator and Matrix films) which you clearly have been watching way too many times, “AI” cannot Think, has No Intelligence, and has absolutely Zero agency, due to the fact that it is a glorified 21st Century High-Tech “Mechanical Turk” which can only do whatever it’s Owner/Master tells it to do (ie. what it is Programmed to do), so in a Capitalist Mode of Production, “AI” will be a tool of the Bourgeoisie to eventually Automate most of the Proles jobs, so they can maximize their Profit (ie. have fewer Proles work harder for lower pay), and eventually liquidate the Proles and merge themselves with the “AI” as part of their Transhumaniat fantasies in order to eventually attempt to achieve Immortality, 🤣😂🤢🤮! In sharp contrast, a Socialist Mode of Production will use “AI” to Automate the Proles jobs in order to eventually abolish all Work and create Communism, thus why their will be a UBI under Socialism, in addition to Free Housing, Free Healthcare, Free Education, and a Job Guarantee, while the last one will be eliminated under fully Automated Communism due it no longer being necessary, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️! Finally, I find it really concerning if your infantile fantasy of “AI” Automating the Revolution for the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, starts to become widespread amongst Imperial Core Leftists (the Left in the Periphery/Semi-Periphery are not dumb enough to embrace these delusions, due to their Material conditions allowing for Maoist PPW, as proven by the Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), then they are even dumber and more irrelevant then I thought, because placing your hope in a over glorified inanimate Tool that can’t think andPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2542941
I've seen the vision, all of Pasifika will be under the proletarian domain of the Eureka Cross

Stage 1 of Global Communism: the Soviet of the South Pacific

Just wait until the Sino-Australian Oceanic Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation. We will be unstoppable

>>2542527
Your Bourgeois, in my opinion, did something very clever to preserve Canadian capitalism, and that was build ties with China and tell the yanks to fuck off. Ours has made a critical error in going all the way with them. Idk much about Canadian politics other than real "nothing ever happens" vibes going strong, maybe some populist conservative shit eventually. I think it's pretty obvious that neolibs around the world in freefall but getting a miraculous boost after trump got inaugurated (Carney in Canada and Albo down here were both like 20 points behind the other guys, and won their elections handily all bc Canucks and Aussie voters went "wait a minute, I hate Americans") - that was a fluke and won't happen again. I reckon happenings in Australia will be within the next 10-15 years, possibly a revolutionary situation within 20 (assuming the proper work and preparation on the part of Australian comrades is done). In Canada, I'm not sure, but the contradictions will continue. Canada might be about 15-20 years behind Australia, maybe. Hard to say.>>2542541


>>2542531
No doubt people here are worried about us becoming a Ukraine, but I think it'll more likely be this. But I do think something will happen by the end of the decade. Sucking up to the US will not end well.

>>2542541
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>preferential voting system so deeply ingrained to upholding the labor-liberal system
It's like you haven't even looked into the decline of the two-party system.

>ctrl+f "green"
>0 results
They're shit and capitalist, but as if they won't sop up the progressive young climatefucked housefucked anti-zionist generation with reform.And if they don't, how is your political party going to radicalise them if they don't even care enough to vote? I went to May Day and many of the construction kiddos didn't even know who Albanese or Dutton were.

>I reckon the best thing to do would be to pitch a Marxist-Leninist program
Give us a QRD on CPA/ACP/etc./Red Ant/Red Spark or whatever they fuck Marxist-Leninists are doing these days.

Even the Trotskyist parties are splitting less.

>>2543679
Federal:

>mandatory voting forces all adults into political participation
I've counted votes.

Last election someone voted Greens [1], Labor [2] and wrote "Njgger" on their ballot. This example is demonstrative of the level of ideological conscience we're dealing with. People don't give a fuck about politics, it's abstract, divorced from daily life.

Mandatory voting does not imply people think whatsoever when voting. People openly say they're voting just so they don't receive a fine. I have a family member who votes for a different party every few election just 'to give someone else a go'.

Boomppp

>>2546743
???????

>>2546676
I said that the POINT OF THIS was to get people to follow you and buying the loyalty of the masses by providing for them when the others wouldn't. How are you gonna be seizeing power when you dont have shit to offer anyone?

this is one of the most terminally retarded boards i've honestly ever seen and most of you should neck yourselves, including the people screaming about how this board is reactionaries.

I hate you all.

>>2546961
🔥🔥🔥

>>2546656
YOU NEED TO HAND OUT PROPAGANDA ALONG WITH THE FOOD

He started doing harder drugs, sadly.

When will the Deleuzians come back to take what is theirs?

he's referring to the ethnic category of "asian" in the UK, which indeed is not an ethnicity, but is a continent.

>>2547196
in the UK we don't just say 'asian' though, it's west asian, east asian, south asian etc.
I always associate the term just 'asian' on it's own with the americans, because they tend to call e. asians 'asians' and say everyone else is not in fact really asian.

>>2547309
nobody calls arabs asians

tybna

>Kerala to become first Indian state to eliminate extreme poverty this weekend
Based

Thanks News Anon

>>2543367
>Kerala to become first Indian state to eliminate extreme poverty this weekend
communism in the east keeps winning

>>2543367
>Kerala to become first Indian state to eliminate extreme poverty this weekend
Aryanbros… we got dapped on by dravidians again, and again.

>>2547183
>las farc is an example of a leftist narco organization
no it isn't, this was literally made up. matter of fact, the cartels in colombia were created to protect druglords from the popular combatants that would extort them for funds for the war

>how does the war on drugs intersect with class warfare?
it doesn't, and intersectionality as a concept is fake. there are things like the american government assisting the contras to import and distribute crack-cocaine to the us to finance their far-right death squads in nicaragua but that type of thing are just avenues for funding, it doesn't have an intrinsic class character

>>2546672
Primitive communism never existed.

>>2546686
it literately did

>>2546710
Show anthropological proof. Because Graeber debunked it all.

>culture
yall posting in a zero historical materialism radlib thread lmao

>Socialism is about going FORWARDS in time, not backwards
Marxists scoff at degrowth because they are aligned with their fellow Zionist settlers in the "Abundance" movement who have nothing but contempt for their indigenous Palestinian slaves. Neoliberals like Ezra Klein also write euphoric leftoid books about a fully automated luxury space sci-fi utopia of "Elon Musk will save the environment with asteroid mining so I never have to get a real job" which appeals to idealist armchair gooners.
>many of these practices are based on religion and superstition,
New Atheism is entirely aligned with Jeffrey Epstein who funded AI techno-futurism. If only there was an ancient book that warned us about the smug arrogant PMC pedo priest class who worshiped false idols!

>>2542399
>its not something that can be intellectually theorized, thats not that same thing, it can only happen through practical action. thinking about stuff doesn't change things, but doing things must change thinking
Abundance is the ideology of settler parasites who dismiss learning actual science to actually do praxis to enrich their comrades like the working class is so emotionally desperate to do. These sci-fi losers aren't reading the endless torrent of Chinese sustainable nanotechnology science being released everyday. The Actually Existing Degrowth biodegradable plastic paradigm is ignored by these anti-degrowth neoliberals like Matt Yglesias who built their career off the psyop to make Americans do the Iraq War to extract their oil for the GROWTH of microplastics and cancerous technocratic tumors of AI that Marxist pseuds use to pretend to be hardworking scholars who are doing the work #DoingTheWork

>>2540369
>western left is ecofascism…having sustainable food supplies is “authoritarianism”
"BlackRock is anti-fascist, why do you hate the global poor?" - globalist redditors at /r/Neoliberal
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Highly relevant reddit thread:

https://old.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/1omstjg/thoughts_on_people_who_use_decolonialism_as_a/

why do we have a carlist flag on /leftypol/? is that a joke only veterans remember?

>>2545629
There used to be a ton of more flags, but its basically the same reason why theres a nazi flag and a libertarian flag, and an "an"prim flag… yet they still haven't fixed the anarcho-transhumanism flag and it only says transhumanism because they're lazy retarded fucks and its not like it takes all that much effort since they went onto put a bunch of new flags they could've easily changed the name.

>>2545972
And an "an"cap flag, and such and so on. But there used to be a lot of guests from hispachan and newcomers just like there were from /pol/ and I mean the whole point of the site was to lead them towards "leftism" so yea thats why theres a carlist flag, hispanic chuds before they were even called the word chud.

>>2545972
>>2545975
thanks for the answer

I've just thought there was some carlist spammer who behaved just like ThingNoticer or the Checkers retard

>>2545629
to go with the CNT-FAI and republican Spain flags

>>2545070
It's because we've hit the bump limit so everyone's waiting for a new thread before saying anything interesting

>>2535219
>>CPB are primarily elderly boomers, most of whom are really social democrats, who believe that electoralism works

Horseshit. To quote from BRS,
>But the struggle to win economic and social reforms under capitalism not only improves conditions for the working class, for as long as those reforms are maintained. It also raises confidence, expectations and demands. Thus, political understanding can grow about the class nature of society, class rule and the need to fight to change them.

BRS supports social democratic reforms insofar as they increase working class consciousness. The worker of the 1970s, who had seen governments fall due to strike actions, and enjoyed hard won social democratic measures of wealth redistribution, had far more class consciousness than the post Blair generation who saw little to no effective working class resistance to years of austerity. For the avoidance of doubt,
>Invariably, social democracy has ended up capitulating to monopoly capital, abandoning its most radical policies and turning on sections of its own supporters in an effort to stabilise, manage or modernise the capitalist economy.

>In every case, labour and socialist parties and governments in capitalist countries have had no effective theory and programme to guide them. Their outlook is not based on a Marxist, class-based understanding of how capitalism works and where and when it is most vulnerable. Consequently, social democracy has had no strategy for progressive advance and socialist revolution.

If you have read BRS, it was done with a hateboner in which you were doing so only to validate your preconceived notions of what it contains and advocates. Allow me to summarise the strategy and reasoning:

>The Labour Party, while a bourgeois party which upholds Monopoly capitalism, contains an inherent flaw in that it is still, therotically, answerable to the TUC and affiliated unions. In our two party system, it is preferable to the Conservative party. If you take out idealist Christian ethics of sin, this isn't remotely controversial - a Labour Government puts the working class on a marginally better footing to advancing their interests, and this is as far as our Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2539920
Tbh with how pathetic white leftism is, that really is the case.

>>2539092
Well with fascists if you give them an inch they'll want a mile. And the heart of right wing thought is sadism.

John MacLean was right; Scotland is simply better at socialism.

>>2545568
I don't think I've had an actual trick or treater in over a decade.

>>2545598
>I saw hundreds of kids trick or treating with their parents outside yesterday
In AmeriKKKa kids are scared to grab a big heaping handful. When I was a kid we didn't buy candy we made that haul last and were as greedy as we could be in the rich neighborhood.

>>2545633
Unless you have a comically huge sack of money 💰 to hand him, you cannot talk him out of being a funded propagandist.

>>2545618
Actually I never said anything about communism you retard. That's you projecting your own feelings there because you are an illiterate retard who loves plattforming any and all nazoids

>>2545619
So… Fuentes is bringing back Integralism?