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 No.1662976[Reply]

Funny conversation from 1925 in which ᴉuᴉlossnW uses Bordiga to shield himself from Gramsci:

GRAMSCI: It is only revolution that which is based on a new class. Fascism is not based on any class that was not already in power …

MUSSOLINI: But if a large part of the capitalists are against, but if I list for you the major capitalists who vote against us, who are in the opposition: the Mottas, the Contis …

FARINACCI: And they subsidize subversive newspapers! [Comments].

MUSSOLINI: The directors are not Fascist, and you know it!

GRAMSCI: The reality then is that the law against freemasonry is not principally against freemasonry; in the end fascism will easily come to a compromise with freemasonry.

MUSSOLINI: The fascists have burnt the masonic lodges before making the law! So there is no need for an accomodation.

GRAMSCI: Fascism uses against freemasonry, in a more intense form, the same tactic as it used against all the non-fascist bourgeouis parties: first it created a fascist cell in those parties; then it tried to extract from other parties the forces most useful to it, not managing to take them over as it intended …
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>>1663450
live footage

 No.1679874

Why all th freemason's talk?

 No.1679881

>>1679874
ᴉuᴉlossnW was arguing that fascist opposition to freemasonry proved that they were the true representatives of working class will, but Gramsci was arguing that fascists were just burning masonic lodges to look cool and had no long term interest in opposing the bourgeoisie.

American politics in the 1800s was similarly obsessed with freemasons. There was even an anti-masonic party back then.

 No.1679970

>>1679881
Fun fact: Farinacci, Acerbo, Balbo and many, many more fascists were masons.
Masonic lodges were just cool clubs for cool (often middle class) kids that attracted attention for their opposition to the church.

 No.1681118

>>1663311
I think it was a variety of things; both the ambient nationalism of WWI as well as the failure of established Socialist parties to launch a truly international revolt played into it. I believe he saw Socialism as fundamentally retreating from what people originally conceived it as and saw Fascism as a kind of revisionist socialism.



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 No.1680946[Reply]

>We were holding a meeting in the mountain village of Zimmerwald (Trotsky is referring here to the Zimmerwald Conference of September, 1915 of European Socialist parties opposed to the First World War) and our commission was charged with preparing a manifesto. We were sitting at a round table in the open air… The work of the commission took a distressing turn. There were disagreements on various points, but mainly between Lenin and the majority. At that moment two splendid dogs came into the garden… They must have belonged to the owner of the place, because they started playing peacefully on the sand in the morning sunshine. Vladimir Ilyich suddenly got up and left the table. Half-kneeling, he started laughing and tickling, first one dog then the other, under their ears, along their bellies, lightly, delicately… There was spontaneity in Lenin’s gesture: … so carefree, so boyish was his laughter. He glanced at our commission as if he wanted to invite the comrades to take part in this lovely diversion. It seemed to me that people looked with some astonishment: everybody was still preoccupied by the serious debate. Lenin went on stroking the animals… He then returned to the table and refused to sign the proposed text of the manifesto. The discussion began anew with fresh violence.

>(Lunacharsky writes) …Lenin is one of those people who know how to relax. He takes his rest like taking a bath and when he does so, he stops thinking about anything; he completely gives himself up to idleness and whenever possible to his favourite amusement and laughter. In this way Lenin emerges from the briefest spell of rest freshened and ready for the fray again… Lenin loves the sort of fun which is unassuming, direct, simple and rumbustious. His favourites are children and cats; sometimes he can play with them for hours on end. Lenin also brings the same wholesome, life-enhancing quality to his work. I cannot say from personal experience that Lenin is hard-working; as it happens, I have never seen him immersed in a book or bent over his desk. He writes his articles without the least effort and in a single draft free of all mistakes or revisions. He can do this at any time of the day, usually in the morning after getting up, but he can do it equally well in the evening when he has returned from an exhausting day…

 No.1680956

Lenin was a gamer.

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It's interesting how these anecdotes contradict what I usually heard about Lenin which is that he was a tireless workaholic who stayed up all night writing, wrote more pages in his collected works than days he was alive, could speak at least semi-fluently in 11 languages, was always going to meetings and rallies, never took a break, and died in his 50s of a stroke

For example, Gorky said Lenin was screaming in this picture because he lost at chess, and not yawning.



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 No.1600330[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Since losing the 2020 Artsakh war to Azerbaijan, the Armenian nation has faced an intense existential crisis over its very existence. Azerbaijan was able to win because Israel sold it advanced weaponry that it used to flatten the Artsakh forces. Since the end of the war, Azerbaijan has been blockading what's left of the Artsakh Republic, and threatening to invade Armenia proper. The ultimate goal of Turkey and Azerbaijan is to take the Zangzeur Corridor from Armenia, thereby connecting Turkey to Azerbaijan to Central Asia. This was the exact same goal the Turks had in 1915, to wipe out the Armenians and create a Greater Turan.

Russia has abandoned Armenia as punishment for the 2018 color revolution. Pashinyan, the Prime Minister of Armenia is a traitor and almost probably a Turkish agent. Iran is the only country that has said it would back Armenia if Armenia proper is invaded, because the Islamic Republic hates Azerbaijan for being anti-IRI and pro-Israel. But there's also a huge Azeri population in Iran that could spoil things.

A lot of leftists, especially those who endorse multipolarity, seem to see Turkey as an ally even though it is literally in NATO and can never be trusted.
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 No.1681024

Why did Armenians leave Nagorno karabakh once they lost?
I mean can you really accuse Azeris of genocide/ethnic cleansing when your population left on their own without a single violent outburst from Azerbaijan that might intimidate civilians?
I know it sounds weird but at least Palestinians stood their ground and showcased that Israel truly is an apartheid colonial state, but when it comes to Azerbaijan the fact that Armenians left before they did anything just leaves them with the result of the ethnic cleansing except with a clear conscience & clean hands

 No.1681028

>>1681024
because azerbaijan did intentionally kill civilians during their offensives. I don't have it saved but you can find webms of azeri soldiers beheading old people in armenian villages, also when your government rewards people like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov it's better not to stick around and wait for the inevitable.

 No.1681036

>>1681024
Armenians could take refuge in Armenia, Palestinians had nowhere else to go, it's easy to assume that muslim arabs are all the same but in reality they don't see themselves as such unlike Armenians.
if there was some remote Palestinian state to which Palestinians could flee to they definitely would've by now.

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>>1681007
Azerbaijan's closest ally is NATO member Turkey, which speaks of this relationship as being "two states, one nation". Of course, don't tell that to the Turkey fantards ITT. I wonder what they'll be saying when pan-Turkism is weaponized against China and Russia and becomes the new Wahabbiism.

 No.1681058

How is this thread still up?



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 No.1628633[Reply]

I think it is a more than obvious observation to make that the rightist ideologies, and more specifically extremist right ideologies, have continuously outclassed leftists when it comes to propaganda. Since the days of Goebbels till today, the right has been adept at the art of deception and marketing.

The reason for this is clear for Marxists, there propaganda amounts to the glorification of dictatorship and not much else, but to the Anarchists it is only a matter of will and vision.

Post webms, propaganda posters, banner slogans, etc. all things propaganda - GOOD propaganda
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 No.1628979

>>1628958
>but you win the hearts and minds of the people with action and results not marketing
I feel our movement is not large enough to exactly be expecting the main draw of it to be the "results" of action - in which I think you mean to say the direct implementation of our ideology, or else then what separates your conception of "action" from propaganda.

Revolutionary action comes later, our numbers are low, and every "action" we take must essentially be one of propaganda. How is real change produced but by the work of many, and how are a multitude of activists that would undertake such an endeavor produced but by the work of propaganda?

>unlike you ofc anon who will change so much

Only by the collective actions of the movement can something be changed, and I hope that what I say will be heeded and that I will be a part in the coming change

 No.1679091

Look into chaos magick, hyper sigils, you'll see

 No.1679275

Read Manufacturing Consent, OP, you fool.

 No.1680846

>>1628633
Anarchism was never mass appealing, sorry.

 No.1680853

>>1628633
>extremist right ideologies, have continuously outclassed leftists when it comes to propaganda.
Hi /pol/.
Sad to inform you your gambit failed.
Feel free to pick another flag and try again.



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‘Minimal’ fuel to be allowed into Gaza after UN warns of starvation risk
The United Nations was forced to stop deliveries of food and other necessities to Gaza and warned of the growing possibility of widespread starvation after internet and telephone services collapsed in the besieged enclave because of a lack of fuel. Israel’s national security adviser says the country’s War Cabinet has agreed to allow two tanker trucks of fuel to enter the Gaza Strip each day, a quantity he described as “very minimal.” The shipments appeared to be far less than what the UN has said is needed.
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/11/17/minimal-fuel-to-be-allowed-into-gaza-after-un-warns-of-starvation-risk
https://archive.ph/fu4AG

Israel-Palestine war: Iran told US it doesn't want regional escalation, says report
“Over the past 40 days, messages have been exchanged between Iran and the US, via the US interests section at the Swiss embassy in Tehran,” Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said in an interview with the Financial Times. In response to the US, Amirabdollahian had told Washington that “Iran does not want the war to spread, but due to the approach adopted by the US and Israel in the region, if the crimes against the people of Gaza and the West Bank are not stopped, any possibility could be considered, and a wider conflict could prove inevitable".
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-iran-told-us-it-doesnt-want-regional-escalation-ft-report

Thousands march through Athens to mark 50 years since a student uprising was crushed by dictatorship
The annual march in Athens started from the Polytechnic campus, which was the headquarters of the uprising, and headed toward the U.S. Embassy. America is still widely blamed in Greece for supporting the 1967-74 rightwing dictatorship during the Cold War. Many of the protesters Friday carried Palestinian flags, and several continued on from the U.S. Embassy to the Israeli embassy chanting slogaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Big Three Autoworkers Approve Contracts After UAW Strike
As voting wrapped up on Friday, United Auto Workers members at Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis were all on track to approve contracts finalized during a six-week UAW strike demanding improved pay, benefits, and working conditions from the "Big Three." The union's online trackers had the ratification vote results as 68.2% to 31.8% at Ford, 54.7% to 45.3% at GM, and 69.6% to 30.4% at Stellantis as of press time. The UAW and companies have not yet commented on the results.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/uaw-contract-2023

LexisNexis Sold Powerful Spy Tools to U.S. Customs and Border Protection
The popular data broker LexisNexis began selling face recognition services and personal location data to U.S. Customs and Border Protection late last year, according to contract documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. According to the documents, obtained by the advocacy group Just Futures Law and shared with The Intercept, LexisNexis Risk Solutions began selling surveillance tools to the border enforcement agency in December 2022. The $15.9 million contract includes a broad menu of powerful tools for locating individuals throughout the United States using a vast array of personal data, much of it obtained and used without judicial oversight.
https://theintercept.com/2023/11/16/lexisnexis-cbp-surveillance-border/

US industry disposed of at least 60m pounds of PFAS waste in last five years
US industry disposed of at least 60m pounds of PFAS “forever chemical” waste over the last five years, and did so with processes that probably pollute the environment around disposal sites, a new analysis of Environmental Protection Agency data finds.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/17/epa-pfas-forever-chemicals-waste-pollution-unregulated

Judge rules former President Donald Trump is eligible for Colorado's primary ballot
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Revisiting the Smash EDO Campaign
In response to the genocide unfolding in Gaza, some activists have set out to target weapons manufacturers like Elbit Systems and Raytheon. Palestine Action has permanently shut down two of Elbit’s UK locations; in the United States, a similar campaign is underway to target Elbit facilities around the country. As these campaigns gain momentum, it may be instructive to look to previous such efforts for inspiration and ideas. Two decades ago in the UK, a campaign known as Smash EDO set out to shut down an arms factory in Brighton. Over the course of a years-long struggle, they experimented with a range of strategies. In one case, activists broke into the facility and did hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of damage to it—and then were declared innocent by a jury at trial. Here, we review that movement from its inception to its high point in 2010. An earlier version of the following text appeared in the ninth issue of our print journal, Rolling Thunder, in spring 2010.
https://crimethinc.com/2023/11/17/revisiting-the-smash-edo-campaign-a-pressure-campaign-targeting-an-arms-manufacturer-1

Albania’s Resistance Movement Achieved a Unique Victory in the Struggle Against Nazism
After the Russian Revolution of October 1917, there were very few places in Europe where the local communist parties explicitly stated that they did not expect a socialist transformation to be possible. Albania was one of those places. Yet it ended up experiencing a socialist revolution during World War II, despite not even having a communist party of its own until 1941. The small groups of scattered organizers in the country managed to work quickly under conditions of occupation and establish an effective resistance movement. Together with the Yugoslav partisans who served as their self-imposed tutors, they were the only two political forces in Eastern Europe to achieve liberation relatively independently of the Red Army. This made it possible for the postwar governments in Belgrade and Tirana alike to defy the USSR in the decades that followed. Under the leadership of Enver Hoxha, Albania went on to follow a unique path during the Cold War, breaking with Moscow during the 1960s to ally with Maoist China, befoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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 No.1664276[Reply]

This is the funniest peak liberal thing I have seen, It's an education kids show about the US and how great it is and can be, it stars two black girls and one white kid, the white kid makes a general statement about the US and the black girls rap about US exceptionalism and he instantly buys it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOtFWbNVQE
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>>1680266
Personnally, I think my balls are quite out of touch themselves.

 No.1680278

>>1680050
I understand though, my generation had the demented cartoon movie.

 No.1680324

>>1680050
Oh wow, a SFM animation with a toilet. am I supposed to be impressed? You're just rehashing stuff that already existed back when I was a teenager in the early to mid 2000's. It's not as if stuff like "The Idiots of GMod" or random Gary's mod animations didn't exist back then.

Get back to me when you create something really original and not just a random gag that got "lore" stapled onto it as a afterthought when it became popular.

 No.1680325

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>itt salty boomers who are mad we are gen alpha chads and you are gen omega cucks

 No.1680333

>>1680269
Not mine I touch them all the time.



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 No.1647261[Reply]

I've seen people seriously thinking that (especially during the recent Zionist-Hamas war) decolonization means Total Settler Death, or at least Partial Settler Death. And although i understand the rage and sentiment behind it, and that in some cases landback is justified especially concerning landgrabs that happened like 30 or 50 years ago, when i looked closely a lot of these landback sentiments can be boiled down to:
>Kick out all the foreigners
>Once we kick out all the foreigners, we can go back to our old villages that the settlers took and pick back our old lives
Which is bad and reactionary. Like, the main goal of decolonization is about dismantling the economic and social caste that put settlers above natives, not killing those settlers who, no matter how annoying they might come across, are still our fellow humans and brothers in labour.
Basically i think that expelling settlers just for the crime of being foreigners is bad. We should not expel the Jews living in the Zionist occupation right now should Tel Aviv collapse, and i truly believe in my heart of hearts that by the same token the USSR was at wrong for expelling all those German civilian settlers implanted during Generalplan Ost. That's just how it is, our politics should be grounded in humanitarian concerns not revanchism.

I'm pretty sure some Post-Colonial scholars like Spivak et al had made this point already, but if they had then i sincerely believe that they failed to disseminate this point clearly to the Left at large
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>>1680052
does anyone have the text of it? I forgot to save it

 No.1680056

>>1647261
Anti-settler colonialism means an end to settler colonialism. It's really not that hard.
Decolonization means an end to colonial relations.
How that looks depends on a shit ton of things. The world is not perfect abstraction and the masses leading the effort are usually retarded, which leads or even necessitates retarded shit to go down.

 No.1680074

Fuck that Fanon was right TOTAL SETTLER DEATH!

 No.1680076

>>1680054
All of his published statements were translated by Bruce Lawrence and published in a volume called Messages to the World.

>But there were BIPOC in those towers!

Are you trying to tell me AQ are racists? As bad as they are, the one they aren't are a bunch of racists. AQ's English spokesman was an ethnic Jew.

 No.1680086

>>1650828
>Cuba got rid of whites
No.
>Haiti
Not a communist state.
>>1650890
>out breeding depression like in the case of Elliot Rodgers
Oh, you're just a crypto fascist.



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 No.1679356[Reply]

Canadian(haha laugh at me) here, it’s not snowing right now which is weird because our 8 month long winters typically last from October up until April-may. You don’t need to have a phd in climate physics to figure out why there’s such a sudden change in what was expected for this year vs what we got and it makes dealing with the pointless ecological destruction of the planet hurt so much more. There isn’t a point for this much damage beyond making a cartoonishly small portion of humanity reproducible profits due to the nature of profit accumulation under restricted quantities of capital. Its not even like you can argue anymore about the validity and severity of this shit because it’s causing observable and unavoidable damage to people, and that’s just for climate change, not accounting for the horrendous amount of ecological damage that’s been dealt to earths arable land, fresh water supplies, forests and coral reef systems…
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>>1680002
>The further north you go, the more dramatic the heating is
at least this time the southern hemisphere doesnt get fucked by what the north does

 No.1680044

>>1680007
Also applies the further south you go, just there aren't nearly as many humans that far south as they are north

 No.1680047

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yeah, well, shit's fucked

 No.1680051

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>>1679356
Hey, look at the bright side:
Flowers are blooming in Antarctica.

 No.1681754

>>1679379
>states the obvious, correct and relevant
>gets dogpiled
In my part of the world november has been colder than normal. This does not mean the climate apocalypse isn't happening, just as opies statement in an of itself doesn't mean that it is.
sage for stupid leaf thread



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If I told you that this was a coloured in photo of a street in the ussr that actually could be believable. Obviously it isn’t but there’s something special about this image in particular that sticks out to me, about the future of advertising under capitalism as the developing world grows to become better to live in and as corporations become monopolies or even complete parts of governments as a whole.

This photo is a screenshot taken of my home city in Edmonton, in it there is functionally zero form of advertising whatsoever. This isn’t because there are no billboards, or digital ads in it, but it’s a common phenomena in much of the city to be in places that have zero form of advertising, even in commercial areas. My basic guess behind this is that as capital accumulated among the most productive for profit entities, expenditures on advertising and branding does out so the institution under growth can keep a low profile among workers and consumers without risk of disturbance from dissatisfaction among either demographic. You end up with these faceless companies promoting minimalist or zero aesthetics in how they advertise themselves and seek quietness over sensationalism in their presentation. At its most extreme you end up with images like the one here. As time passes I can expect more of this behaviour among corporations and it to be expressed in the infrastructure an increasing portion of humanity uses. Essentially a quiet and grey future than a vibrant and spectacular one.
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 No.1679646

>>1679420
>adblockers don’t exist bro

 No.1679651

>>1679646
I think they mean the advertisements have moved to phones because that's the only viable waythey will reach people. A niche number of people on this planet in current year don't use ad blockers, and look at like 3000 ads per second because they're afraid the FBI will raide their house for pirating a youtube video.

 No.1679787

>>1679651
Makes sense, wait until the internet gets broken up and the remaining corporations get bought up by the largest ones. We’ll reach socialist decommodification under a corporatist system soon, all we have to do is wait for now…

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 No.1679999

>>1675864
>If I told you that this was a coloured in photo of a street in the ussr that actually could be believable
Absolutely not. Different cars, different street signs, different buildings.



 No.1677871[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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>>1679596
also US-backed reactionary

 No.1679983

>>1679596
>>1679848
>why are normies so brainwashed, they blindly stick to the established narrative
<normies go against established narrative
>no, not like this!
at this point we have to be glad for what we get

 No.1679987

>>1679621
>you will never be forced into the semen extractor by your Israeli gf
Why live?

 No.1679993

>The Iranian authorities have informed the United States through diplomatic channels that they do not want the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to escalate, the country’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said:
https://vk.cc/csrpHn

 No.1684750

I thought at first it was just that Borat guy completely losing it personally but apparently just say “they are all lying. The MSF, the UN, the WHO— Hamas is in the hospitals. They are all lying to you”



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