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 No.1036476[Reply]

>A black market, underground economy, or shadow economy is a clandestine market or series of transactions that has some aspect of illegality or is characterized by noncompliance with an institutional set of rules. If the rule defines the set of goods and services whose production and distribution is prohibited by law, non-compliance with the rule constitutes a black market trade since the transaction itself is illegal. Parties engaging in the production or distribution of prohibited goods and services are members of the illegal economy. Examples include the illegal drug trade, prostitution (where prohibited), illegal currency transactions, and human trafficking. Violations of the tax code involving income tax evasion constitute membership in the unreported economy.

>The second economy in the Soviet Union was black market or the informal sector in the economy of the Soviet Union… "the logic of the second economy tended over time to undermine the logic of the command system and to lead to expanding black markets". This prediction was corroborated by the long-term analysis of the economies of Russia and Ukraine… To a varying degree, the second economy influenced all Eastern Bloc economies.


<the disparity between legal income and legal spending gradually grew during 1965–1989 and by the end of the period the correlation between the two almost disappeared, indicating the rapid growth of the second economy. The proliferation of the second economy was impossible without widespread corruption. A significant impact on the economy of the Soviet Union was the system of blat, a network of favors, which allowed people to procure all kinds of goods and services, operating within both official and second Soviet economies and continued to operate in post-Soviet Russia. Since the early days of the Soviet Union, some authors claim that there has been a tradition to exaggerate the blame of the "black market" for consumer goods shortages, thus effectively shifting the blame off state bureaucrats with their inadequate planning.


Why are there black markets under socialism? Do they undermine the planned economy? And how would/should socialists solve this issue in the future? will there always be "black markets" ?? Is there any way to get rid of them or at least reduce them? And what role did they play in the USSR and its downfall?

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>>1036476
Some people aspire to be wealthy and thus became capitalists, hence why the black market is born - to circumvent rules and regulations set by the State in order to fulfill their goals.

 No.1037744

Black people should be allowed to run their own markets as reparations for the bombing of black wall street.

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 No.1037750

Black markets are generally an indicator of some demand going unfilled. They should be taken more as an economic signal than something to be directly combated.

>Why are there black markets under socialism?

There's things people want that they can't get through other means.
Same reason there's black markets under any system.
>Do they undermine the planned economy?
They can if they are taking resources out of the socialist economy (people have to pay with something). That's materially undermining. Ideologically they also undermine the idea that the planned economy can meet people's demands, which is not good for trust or morale.
>And how would/should socialists solve this issue in the future?
If there is a demand, either handle it through the plan (not necessarily by supplying the same product) or if that's not a good idea (for any number of reasons) there might be a need for a legal market if people want this and want to supply it no matter what. This is not desirable but it's better than gangsters profiting from it and undermining the power of the state, the people, or whatever organization you have.
>will there always be "black markets" ??
You can expect them to be a concern in a transitional phase as part of the growing pains you have to deal with.
>Is there any way to get rid of them or at least reduce them? And what role did they play in the USSR and its downfall?
The USSR got a little retarded with some of the things it restricted. The logic behind not importing culture industry kind of makes sense in a narrow context, but black markets fundamentally exist because people want what's being sold, and you're not really going to change that (although with things like drugs or prostitution you could implement social programs to meet an underlying need in a different way per the point above). This is one of the things rightoids like to harp on about and is often part of what they mean when they say communism doesn't account for "human nature" - that you can't just repress people's desires or economic demands because they aren't politically convenient.

 No.1037836

>>1037738
this is meaningless to say
it's both assuming a singular reason (to become wealthy) and attributing it to the origin of the black market (which needs more than just sellers, and even the prospective capitalists need startup capital), and also saying nothing about the origin of the desire to become capitalists
at least put some effort in



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 No.1035609[Reply]

>The tyrant is dead, long live Playboy!” thundered the writer Vasily Aksyonov in the pages of the first issue of Russian Playboy. It was the summer of 1995 and the men’s magazine was but one glossy then making its debut in the Motherland, promising to bring American-style soft-core to the sex-starved Soviets

>Playboy was part of a tidal wave of pornography that flooded the former Soviet Union after it collapsed in 1991 — along with many other hitherto hard-to-find consumer goods, from bananas to Pepsi to punk rock. (Interestingly, the “feminist sex wars” were raging in the United States at the exact same time, with anti-pornography feminists like Andrea Dworkin calling porn the “orchestrated destruction of women’s bodies and souls.”)


>In the early, vertiginous years of the post-Soviet period, pornography was ubiquitous in Russian cities, selling mostly on street corners and in metro stations. “Nothing prepared me for the omnipresence of this stuff,” wrote an American traveler to Russia in the pages of the magazine Off Our Backs in 1993. “One simply can’t avert one’s eyes — it’s everywhere.” One survey conducted in the early 1990s indicated that Muscovite men were in possession of 50 percent more pornography than their British brethren and 20 percent more than the average American male


>That Russian men delighted in an influx of smut may not be surprising — sex had long been taboo under Soviet rule, and pornography was simply illegal — but the way that much of it was presented as an explicit extension of nascent democracy and newfound “freedom” is


>The first issue of homegrown men’s magazine Andrei was introduced in 1991 as “essential today…the psychological freedom [of men] is a prerequisite for the emancipation of society from the crushing complexes of a distorted era.” An editorial letter in the second issue reads, “We’re certain that Andrei and its battle helped strengthen democratic tendencies in the area of social awareness and rights.” As Russia scholar Eliot Borenstein writes, the inaugural issue of Russian Playboy politicized itself a bit more humorously, with a cartoon featuring “happy rabbit-eared men and boys marching in Red Square with placards displaying the bunny image of Playboy.”


>(Andrei and Playboy represented two very diffe
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>>1037547
cry about it pol

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 No.1037731

Porn are just like movies: bread and circuses designed to keep the people silent while they earn more money.



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 No.1033580[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>This is a Lithuanian MP justifying the blockade of the civilian population in Kaliningrad with casual racism about Russians. If it matters, alcohol use per capita in Lithuania is the highest in the EU and higher than Russia.
https://nitter.net/AliAbunimah/status/1538906989660618752#m
<Russia apparently does nothing against this clear act of war by Lithunazis

Geopolitics General >>1004370

Cometh ye folks, cometh into the new age.
For previous threads, check >>>/leftypol_archive/

LIVE MAPS AND UPDATES

>N.B. liveuamap.com is not to be trusted, they mostly parrot Ministry of Defence, these others may not be better, check their reporting first


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/russia-ukraine-crisis-in-maps-and-charts-live-news-interactive

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>>1038650
Lol get fucked vatuyghurs and commys

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>>1038706
Grillpilled Schizo finally came out

 No.1039063

Why did Turkey betray us?

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There has been plenty of protests against every war the US has been.

Marches , sit-ins , love-ins , riots . Every form of protest known to man has been happening pretty much non stop . But nobody saw that because … (pic related)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war_movement



 No.1037021[Reply]

Is there any good resources on macroeconomics (the study of economic aggregates) from a Marxist perspective? Like, how did countries like the USSR did things like economic stimulus or regulate production?

A question I have in mind is how savings were used in the USSR. In a capitalist society, there is basically three things (I’m simplifying of course) you can do with the money you have left after your all your expanses are dealt with (assuming you earn enough to be able to save money for the future):

- You can let liquidity sit in your pocket: in which case you are temporarily throwing out your money from macroeconomic circulation.
- You can put your money into your bank account: which will give more leverage for banks to lend money to corporations or the state, which in return helps to further investments and/or public spending.
- You can throw money at the stock market: here you directly give money to corporation to allow them to fund their economic activity, which also allows investments to grow except you get direct benefit from it… or lose bigly if the venture fails.

So, were those things allowed in the USSR? If not, what could the people of the USSR use their savings money for?
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 No.1037132

>>1037021
almost everything marx talks about in vol 2 onwards is 'macroeconomics.'

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>>1037021
>- You can let liquidity sit in your pocket: in which case you are temporarily throwing out your money from macroeconomic circulation.
>- You can put your money into your bank account: which will give more leverage for banks to lend money to corporations or the state, which in return helps to further investments and/or public spending.
Both of these are called a "hoard" in marxian terms.
>- You can throw money at the stock market: here you directly give money to corporation to allow them to fund their economic activity, which also allows investments to grow except you get direct benefit from it… or lose bigly if the venture fails.
This is called "speculation."
>So, were those things allowed in the USSR? If not, what could the people of the USSR use their savings money for?
Lel, are you just baiting the MLs? If you are, it's some of the more clever bait I have seen.

 No.1037412

Anon…. in state planning, you don't invest in companies. Didn't they teach you this in school when they handed out lifesavers and redistributed them later? Gommunism = no own factories.

 No.1037446

>>1037132
Thanks, do you have any recommandations for the macroeconomic policies of the USSR? Like, how did the USSR organize macroeconomic planning?

>>1037412
I concur the economy of the USSR was mainly socialized, but a significant sector of the economy remained private, 20% of the total economy is a number I recall although I forgot the source for it.
And I'm not trying to argue this is a proof the USSR wasn't socialist like this leftcom guy is trying to imply.

Furthermore, even if there was no more private property like you seem to imply, there would still be a dilemma between giving the workers greater wages (driving up consumption) or using money to buy industrial equipment (driving up investment). So my question is: how did the USSR manage this dilemma? Did they try to compromise consumption and investments or did they favor one or the other?

>Didn't they teach you this in school when they handed out lifesavers and redistributed them later?

Is this really a thing in America?

>>1037409
It's not a bait, and while I agree investing in the stock market as an individual or a corporation is speculative in aim, on a large scale (according to liberal theory) this action does allow firms to conduct investments in productive assets which in turns lead to a growth in real production.

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>>1037446
20% sounds way too high off the top of my head, yes private ownership was higher in certain socialist societies like poland but AFAIK it was never 20% not even in yugoslavia



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 No.1037218[Reply]

Can you please explain to me in detail what you find so utterly repulsive about pan-islamic ideas? Personally i believe islam is a complete guide for humanity in all aspects, and its thorough and perfect too, i reject any deviations of sharia law and i reject any other ideologies, thoughts?
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 No.1037583

mfw daesh is the last remaining internationalist movement
(mfw I have no face because it was cut off by daesh)

 No.1037688

no one cares

 No.1037761

>>1037218
>Personally i believe islam is a complete guide for humanity in all aspects
you are no different from a christcuck, Langley, stop promoting capitalist bread and circuses (opium of the people too) as a guideline of how should we live as

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>>1037218
God isn't real

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 No.1022210[Reply]

Green Capitalism is the only short term solution. The reason is that population therefore the global rate of profit will only start to decline around the mid to late 2060s or so. But Climate change will hit way before that, it must be stopped within the next 10-12 years. So capitalism will not be destroyed and overthrown in time to use the new system to plan for climate change, at least on a global scale. Theres a 40 year gap between the end of the ecology and the end of capitalism.

If capitalism is allowed to runover the environment it will destroy the planet before we get a chance to make socialism, right?
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 No.1025294

>>1025161
The average poster here doesn't even understand how to apply the model that Marx laid out to capitalism without just using it for pure dogmatic bludgeon even when they're empirically wrong. Are you surprised they can't think of anything except "continue status quo but without bourgies?"

 No.1025297

>>1025171
Cyberpunk is dead, especially as an idea.

 No.1025370

>>1025171
>>1025297
more like it was never understood. Cyberpunk is supposed to be a dystopia, not a utopia. its an inherent critique of a 80s/90s vision of a neoliberal/libertarian ancap future where corporations control everything, where the state withered away in favor of corporatocracy. This idea of the future basically died with 9/11 and the war on terror era expansion of the security state.

 No.1037429

>>1025370
>This idea of the future basically died with 9/11 and the war on terror era expansion of the security state.
Entities like Amazon on one hand and ideas of post-national status on the other (thanks Trudeau) seemed like they might bring cyberpunk back, but then we got Covid and the acceleration of the biosecurity surveillance state idea. It still might turn cyberpunk-like if enough of the planning goes to an international org and the execution and administration at the low level to contracted corps hollowing out the role of national government though.

 No.1037432

>>1037429
probably not, the world is turning more nationalist and away from internationalism



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 No.1022070[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What historical conditions have led to everyone in this cunt being some flavor of libcuck? In other post-soviet countries, at least there's a slight pro-soviet leftist trend (mostly in the boomers but it's also present in the youth) indicated by the polls, but in Poland? Everyone's totally anti-communist and half the people are rabid NATOdogs and the other half feel threatened by "gender ideology" and don't believe in climate change. We didn't transition to capitalism well, and the whole 90s were a living hell, not as hellish as Yeltsin's Russia, but it was still awful and more people should have been radicalized against capitalism, yet our country is one of the most reactionary post-soviet states, up there with some of the baltics. The Overton window here is batshit insane, if you say anything positive about communism, you will get an extremely aggressive reaction and a complete denial of anything you may be saying.
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 No.1037296

>>1035232
i think shes dutch actually

 No.1037345

>>1022302
Geography obviously influences how states behave and where their priorities lie. Remember that "material conditions" doesn't just refer to class, but other factors like geography and climate as well.
>It's why the USSR recognised Finnish and Polish independence
Yeah and it still worked to prevent the emergence of hostile governments in those countries. Take this war in Ukraine for example. Regardless of the class character of the Russian state, it would have an interest in preventing a hostile power from taking control of Ukraine because of its suitability as a staging area for an invasion of Russia.

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 No.1037380

>>1035232
>>1037296
>Eva zu Beck (born Ewa Zubek; 26 April 1991) is a Polish travel blogger and vlogger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Zu_Beck

 No.1038111

>>1037380
"zu" signifies noble aristocrat heritage in german names, she just made that up



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 No.1036548[Reply]


Anarchistic Pogo Party of Germany


*Aims*

-Right to unemployment with full salary

Youth pension instead of retirement pension

Abolishment of compulsory education

Creation of centers for physical love, so-called Mitfickzentralen (literally "fuckpooling centers")

Abolition of police
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 No.1037268

>Politics is shit!
>School is shit!
>Dumb and happy!
>Asocials to power!
>Work is shit!
>Shitting is work!
>Hail Fuck!
>My vote for the trash!
>Boozing, boozing, every day nothing but boozing!
This sounds like the lyrics of a punk song

 No.1037274

>>1037247
>>1037206 (You)
>he’s never heard of the Makhno bandit state
<if i call it a bandit state everyone will think it was evil!
>or CUNT FAIL’s genocidal actions in Catalonia
<hand wringing about the red terror
>or the Zapatista drug empire
>t. i made it up
>or countless other figments of my imagination
Anon, you are the dumbest person on this board, what makes you possibly think you could construct lies anyone is going to believe? big keks.

 No.1037287

>>1037247
Even if they weren't some anarchist utopias, claiming they were anything close to the nazi horror is extremely retarded.

 No.1037995

wherein OP displays their complete lack of humor

 No.1041590

>>1036548
>Fiction
BACK TO /POL/



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 No.990956[Reply]

I don't get it. I really don't get it. I roughly understand why the US and the USSR didn't get along, and I even roughly understand why the US and China don't get along. The USSR was denying US companies access to both its own markets and the markets of numerous countries it was supporting. China is increasing denying US corporations market access and also providing unwanted competition. But what the hell has Russia done to piss off the US government? It seems that it was America's lapdog back in the 90s, but somehow it has since become one of America's main enemies. US hostility has also pushed Russia to ally it itself with America's enemies, which seems rather detrimental to America's other foreign policy aims.

What is the root of this hostility?
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 No.1035849

Yeltsin would have come running to join NATO if given the chance and make Russia a wholly US-dependent bulwark against an ascendant China. Instead the West just destroyed Russia with shock therapy, told it to fuck off with barely any assistance and then reignited the Cold War by bombing Yugoslavia and expanding NATO. I wonder if at some level it was really just deluded boomers in the US government thinking Russia = Commie and ontologically evil.

 No.1035851

>>990956
Well, a lot of oligarch pre-Putin were young members of the beaurocracy, having been groomed into the position by Yeltsin/the West, who were perfectly willing to let Russia balkanize itself in order to make more cash and over fist. Something that even Putin wasn't willing to do (not for benevolent reason, mind you, it was less about protecting people and more about becoming completely powerless against people perfectly willing to depose you the moment you weren't useful to them anymore). He put a stop the most rampant looting happening during the time, which, of course, is something completely unacceptable to the west.

There used to be an article by trots which reflected on the reason why the holocaust happened the way it did, and it put forward the argument that, as long as nazi germany looked liked it was reasonably able to win the war against the USSR, they were perfectly willing to "just" slowly grind jews into dust by having them worked to death. It was their imminent defeat at the hands of their enemies which kicked their killings into overdrive, as both a means to "at least achieve something in their grand schemes", and as last fuck you before their eventual demise, even if it meant that those people were now unavaiable for work in the factories.

I think a similar mindset is at work here, and I don't think the argument that "sure, they were trading and shiet" holds much water here (it's just typical bougie shit trying to make bucks). The US isn't just crumbling to dust, it's folding into itself while the rest of the world watches, so I think there is a decent amount of old farts who try to tackle their great Satan to score at least SOME legitimacy points, even if long term disposing it means one less bogeyman to scare the population into compliance.

Another point in regards to Yurop and Russia, is that the EU (and especially Germany) have been desperately trying to get public support for an european military complex, both to directly point cash into their own pockets, and for neocolonial projects to protect their own interests, for example against the new Silk Road by China. As such, this conflict is very much a massive long-term benefit for kraut politicians, who can now literally justify any measure under the pretense of the asiatic barbarian threatening them, blaming their own plundering (which they'd done regardPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>990956
These are powerful countries that are a threat to each other no matter what ideology they have or dont have in common like both being capitalist imperialist.

 No.1036139

>>991042
It's always been ironic to me that if America had just let go its fear of EU independence from America and allowed Russia to join the EU/NATO and other atlanticist institutions they would have a pretty good strategic front against China to corral them in from, but nooo they had to try to isolate all of their geopolitical foes and now China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela and growing are going to band together to create a post-American-led order.

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>>1036139
I think it's a mistake to assume that the major imperialist powers in the EU are lockstep with the US in terms of their interests. Unipolarity is always a transient phenomenon, and an inter-imperial rivalry would definitely emerge between the EU and US if Europe ever became strong enough, like if it integrated Russia.



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 No.1036874[Reply]

Under socialism what will be the punishment to people who manipulate dogs genes and lead to abominations like this being born?

This dog is going to have a lot of health problems because some idiot thinks this looks cool and can profit from it

 No.1036877

I think you got the wrong board, anon.
>>>/siberia/

 No.1036888

under socialism all poodles will be put down



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