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1. There has to be a group of intelligensia that raised the banner of Marxism in a given country.
2. A Marxist movement must grow in opposition to some already existing unscientific popular anticapitalist movement.
3. A popular political programme must be written.
4. Marxist circles of intelligents have to multiply, spread, expand and uphold the programme.
5. Marxist circles must unite around party principles.
6. The party-to-be must be ready to pass from circle propaganda to mass agitation.
7. There has to be a mass workers movement already existing. It is clear that a worker movement and the party are separate, and the would-be party is usually not of the working class.
8. The would-be party has to educate workers politically in their struggle. It has to explain and connect the mass movement with communist demands.
9. It is necessary for the would-be party to build connections among the working class movement, and build working class organizations, to build trust among the workers by working amongst them, to be ready to respond to every injustice the workers may face.
10. The would-be party gives impetus elswhere across the country to establish similar working class organizations, and groundworks are laid for an all-country organization that can start building the communist party and go against the bourgeois state.

Do you agree? Where would you rate the communist movement in your country?

>The "Emancipation of Labour" group raised the banner of Marxism in the Russian press abroad at a time when no Social-Democratic movement in Russia yet existed. It was first necessary to prepare the theoretical, ideological ground for such a movement.

>Marxism in Russia could therefore grow and gain strength only by combating Narodism.
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>Where would you rate the communist movement in your country?
Zero, absolute zero



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As a Chinese citizen, I have noticed that there is surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypol. I would like to remove some of your filters on China and express some of my own opinions:

Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.

Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.

No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern times.

Yes, the political environment between us is quite stable. Even if faced with an idiot like Trump, these two countries will not easily collapse.

No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.

No, Chinese society is not that stable either. Here are the major social events that have caused public critism in the past month:

1. Wuhan University Accusation Gate
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>>2432755
>Sounds like a bunch of stupid tabloidesque shit that really doesn't matter.

They are negligible in the USA, but innovative in China already.

>Talk is cheap.


You can talk freely in your land, at least to some degree. But it's precious for my people to talk at the risk of the jail.

>>2433270
That's probably a case of thinking the grass is greener on the other side; for example if I entered the USA I would probably be immediately detained for my prior speech

>>2433261
That's the precise liberal myth. What is the public?

The liberal conceptions is that there's the state and then there's the people.

The Anarchist-ML line is that there's political elites, economic elites, social elites, and so on.

It's like looking at NYC from a few kilometers away, it looks like a pretty skyline, until you get close and realize it's filled with garbage and dog shit.

The question comes down to, essentially, are you an opportunist or a dissident personality? There is in fact a social class which would benefit from overturning the Chinese situation.

The present situation in China is an alliance between political elites and the masses, because the masses are triangulated and know the moment the political elites are gone, they're full victims to economic elites.

It's not even tyranny of the majority vs tyranny of the minority, but how elites rule.

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>>2430398
>You do need study(or learn) Chinese harder bro
Tbh I think this is proof I studied enough because I'm able to pick up on these tells that you're using some translation tool.

>>2433575

I mean Leftypol is Glowiepol. What's surprising?

Either two possibilities exist, one, this is an act of a state or non-state subversion entity, practicing lines and attempts to distance the Western left from the Chinese left. Two, this is some baizuo in China proper spewing crap they haven't thought through.

Once again, the true Communism is CIA, blah blah blah.



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>Trump will visit Russia (Alaska) on Friday edition. Side story: Pokrovsk and Dobropillya on the menu.


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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
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>>2433639
The phrasing is noteworthy because the Kremlin was continually warning about strikes on "decision-making centers."

>>2433482
In so-called "East Prussia" it was literally the Germans who are the Israeli equivalents. The land was of the Slavic people until the foreign German Teutonic Knights came and usurped the land in the 1100s. All Stalin did was expel the settlers and restore the land to its natural peoples, Slavs.

>>2433134
One of the things killing this board is the autistic aversion against people using handles.

>>2433334
The best part is the subtle expansion of ukraine

>>2433334
I'd support this if Zhongguo grew ever larger



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>take random photo of WW1 injury
>"the bolsheviks did this"
>1.2 million views

how are communists supposed to compete when a lie spreads around the world while the truth is still getting its shoes on?

>ummm who cares optics cuck just say we actually did all the atrocities and say that we'll do it again

>ummmmmm we make no excuses for the terror

haha very funny guys no but seriously
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>>2387719
Didnt happen but shoulve happened.

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Anti-communist fucktards falling for obvious historical revisionist slop makes them easier to ID and purge, so it's good actually.

>>2387742
>when people are hungry and rioting, youtube gore slop will not stop them from beheading their rulers

Or more likely the most hated scapegoat. Who will it be next time? Racial minorities? Gay people? Teachers? Tune it next time to find out.

"Oh,no,really,commies are so evil,now healthcare tomorrow slavery!"

>>2432369
considering killing scapegoats won't materialize food out of thin air,I would be surprised,there needs to be some form of improvement for it to work.
read Debord



 

You cannot convince me the moniker of "Democratic Socialists" is anything but left liberal cucks, fags and eunuchs.

Where in any Marxism is communism presented as anything but the iron fist of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat over the remnants (cucks, fags, eunuchs) of the exploiting classes?

"democratic socialists" defend yourselves. I want to know these answers

1) are you a cuck?
2) a fag?
3)eunuch?
4) why does the MSM platform you?
5) do you support Zionism?
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>>2433328
>dictatorship of the proletariat is literally dictatorship with a great man daddy figure like stalin
Fuck off retard.

>>2433404
>anticommunist propaganda is representative of truth, xi jinping is le dictator
classic leftcom

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>>2433404

<Of late, the Social-Democratic philistine has once more been filled with wholesome terror at the words: Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Well and good, gentlemen, do you want to know what this dictatorship looks like? Look at the Paris Commune. That was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/postscript.htm

>>2433328
The DSA has outlived the purpose of its existence years ago. It is nothing more than an obstacle for the communist movement and class consciousness now.

>>2433468
>The DSA has outlived the purpose of its existence years ago.
It hasn't even come close tho. It's purpose is to send some people on elections to win and lose to radicalise people. Zohran is the first step. Sorry zigger.



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Preaching to people doesn't do anything, especially about reactionary prejudices. The struggle against these prejudices in the labour movement manifests from collective struggle that makes self-interest among individual proletarians in individual enterprises amalgamate into common class interests.

When there's no strong labour movement there's absolutely no reason why bigotry can't fester, and it's not like bigotry in itself can anull any progress of a developing movement anyway. It's merely an abstraction that can hinder association of producers, which can be resolutely be diminished by struggle, because they themselves would see it as an obstacle to realising their own practical interests, and see it for the retarded shit that it is.

A male dock worker is going to find more resonance with a female one when organised for their self interests and basic survival, more than he will with retard podcasters telling him that the auspices and tastes of middle-class women are the root of all his problems.
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>>2431714
Monopsony rents are rooted in the stagnant material conditions of imperialism. For example, the urban sprawl of the imperial core led to a reactionary regression in the conditions of women. In general, much of bigotry boils down to the self-exploitation of an embourgeoised imperial core. Bigotry is a real problem but the solution is developing the productive forces and proletarianizing the middle-class. Pushing for equality (in a real way) and fir real needs like dense rental housing develops the productive forces, lowers the rate of profit and produces the conditions for a revolutionary situation. Engels on the housing question did not fully take into account the stagnant of the imperial core, and the need for the workers to push forward the development of the productive forces.

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>>2431714
>A male dock worker is going to find more resonance with a female one
A female what?
What next, a female roofer?
This is the problem with leftists, too much theory, no understanding of the real world.

>>2431714
What I preach is I deserve free stuff. This is pragmatic socialism.

When I go to the gas station and I just take some Skittles and Monster energy. That's reparations for having to exist on this gay earth as a proletariat.

Ain't gonna argue about it.
Just gimme my free stuff.
I don't expect the pajeet working the gas station to have a bajillion dollars.
Just gimme my free stuff.
The person who does owe me a billion dollars (moderators) themselves doesn't have a billion dollars.
Don't care. Gibs me dats. Just to make them suffer.

Do you deserve free stuff? Maybe… I don't know if I can say everyone deserves gibs. Y'all are kind of buttholes defending jannies.

>>2433253
This is the correct line

>>2431714
Whatever you do never ever ever ever talk about communism. Never talk about the specifics of a post-capitalist economy and how it is organized or created. That shit is scary and will just alienate people. The movement is everything, the goal is just a hypothetical dream that we will worry about in the future. The fight to redistribute surplus profits is the highest form of socialist struggle, as is the fight to assist the bourgeoisie in developing the productive forces so there is more surplus to tax (for the benefit of everyone, of course).

All you need to do is smile and assert that 1920s-levels of social organization can be created by sheer willpower regardless of the material conditions. If they say they're pessimistic about their ability to unite or resist global capital then just smile wider and insist that they are wrong. The incredible power of feels and vibes is enough to overcome anything that stands in our way.



 

Was recently thinking about this, does the phrase "Israel are the new nazis" have any actual merit? It seems to make sense at first, but I've encountered many third positionists who side with Russia and China over the the Ukraine and Israel, who supposedly make up the 5th reich
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>>2407338
the territory that would become the US was already being settled for over 200 years before the "great awakening" that most resembles contemporary evangelism. yes there were the puritans and theres continuity there. but on the whole the settlers of both the 13 colonies and manifest destiny eras were much more doctrinally heterogenous. im not saying theres no parallel but were starting from a point of agreement that israel is a settler-colony like the US, i just think it is distinct in that it a fairly consistent ethno-nationalist and doctrinal background ("being jewish") that is the preexisting basis of unity, as compared with american settlement in which there was no comparable white or american identity besides the one that arose through a long process of previously heavily differentiated european settlers.

>>2407344
Yeah that fair. I suppose I would say that Israel speed ran much of the development and decay of a settler-colony. Israel is America in microcosm.

>>2399450
Zionism is just jewish fascism/nazism.
Sounds weird but its true, I mean Isreal is a model of the 3rd Reich and apartied South Africa.

As for 3rd position as a label its so vauge like does strasserism,nazbol,national anarchism,NOI ect ect…..count?

>>2407040
>Did you know that the Jewish Hollywood guy John Milius's first movie was about a cannibal settler? Really makes you think lmao
Big Nietzsche guy too. I think a lot of Zionist stuff has a Nietzsche vibe. Like transvaluation of Jewish values to make the alpha chad Jew.

>>2407344
So I do want to say that Zionism is a uniquely capitalist phenomenon. You slave society xenophobia evolve into feudal Orientalism and then into contemporary racism. IMO scientific racism, deism and Judeo-Christianity was a way for the capitalists to weaken the power of feudal remnants. Support of Zionism is a way of pledging allegiance to capital and against the aristocracy.



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>MUH BUTIFUL CULTURE, ONE BILLION DEAD BECAUSE OF COMMUNISM!!! COMMUNISM NO WORKEY! I INVENT THING I LIVE PROPERTY, NO HOUSE FENCE? I PAY THEY WORK!!!!!!!

I'm convinced whiney race reductionists are subhumans of some sort, they don't desire anything other than seclusion, extortion and aggression. They don't care about resource management at all instead think that trade is somehow essential to life "ITS LE HUMAN NATURE, PEOPLE AREN'T EQUAL!!!!" as if any sane communist would ever preach liberal slogans like "liberte egalite fraternite", of course people aren't equal and they have different abilities thus from each according to their needs to each according to their ability and he who does not work neither shall he eat, thus reward is based on merit and productivity. These race reductionists have no idea what the productive forces even are, they are subhuman and as such inferiors can only cry out about extermination moralizing whilst they themselves would like to be slave owners it is only "natural" to have them permanently set in labor camps where they can hang out in a "racially pure" community and do the hard work nobody else wants to since they reject civilization as a whole and fetishize splitting off or enslaving others, they can have it - in the camp. 1 billion dead? Clearly wasn't enough to wipe out these vermin.
Nonetheless communism is not a state of affairs to be established like they imagine since they cannot comprehend the sentence - communism is the real movement against the present state of things. All of humanity and civilization must work as one to develop the productive forces whilst thus so cautiously making sure everyone who obliges gets their needs fulfilled. Stormfags into camps. Only Communists can be Übermensch.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Engels Edition


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>>2431779
There absolutely are cases where nationality shapes class though, just look at Indonesia with East Timor or West Papua


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>>2431753
my point is, libs are becoming the new republicans, by praising old racist ghosts.
>twist Simon Bolivar
my man, he emancipated all slaves, at least. say what you want of him, he was far superior in that regard.

>>2431764
>Believing in the words of liberals
I don't know how to break it you bud, but the founding fathers didn't live up to shit they said.



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What's the LeftyPol CONSENSUS on PARECON? It's a libertarian socialist decentralized economy system that tries to avoid the centrally planned flaws and market flaws, radically democratic and all? I thinks is good alternative for central planned socialism.

https://participatoryeconomy.org/
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>>2429666
Centralization isn't the same thing as interconnectivity. Large scale projects are always combinations of centralized and decentralized planning and management.

what the fuck happened to this thread? so many low effort shitposters. it is awfully suspicious

anyways i am the op of this thread >>2416993. this system seems to address many of the concerns ive had concerning the balance of localism and scalability. it also combines itself with cybernetic planning which i am also sympathetic to. overall i can see myself shilling

>>2431206
People don't care about niche liberarian socialist offshoots

Also anime in the op don't help

bump

When Zizek said people don't want to spend hours in meetings I imagine he had parecon in mind but hey socialism is supposed to be conscious control of humans over their product so maybe we need to learn to love the meeting.



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