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PMC leftists when blue collars whine about immigrants taking their jerbs
>Why are these people so backwards and stupid? Don't they know that wages already declined even before immigration and that immigrants mostly take over jobs that nobody wants to work with in the first place?

PMC leftists when AI take their jobs:
>NO AI SLOP SLOP FUCK AI I HATE AI LYNCH AI BURN THE DATASERVERS

And no, i'm not justifying anti immigration nativism, the point against them are valid and true. But those same points apply with AI. Wages are already declining long before AI is a thing, and AI is used primarily, in the creative industry setting, for entry level jobs with low wages that nobody wants to work in. You know, like making codemonkey scripts or making fillers for game backgrounds. But its the fucking hypocrisy i can't stand: you guys can correctly see through hysteria when it affects the blue collars, but when it affects your substratum's interest, your creative art making and programming jobs, suddenly you become as insane as the most rabid nativists who think that haitians are eating cat and dogs
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Reminder to hide, sage, filter, and report people who speak of "PMC" as a real thing

i would rather view, bump, pin and congratulate people who speak up on the "PMC" menace

Because a job that AI can "do" was not real in the first place, because AI is useless.

This is why non-twitter artists have been and will remain fine, actual programmers have been and will remain fine, every job that AI claims it will replace have been and will remain fine. JavaScript framework devs, marketing, tech support and managerial jobs, however, are fucked because they weren't doing anything competent, useful or conceptually coherent to begin with, so now that we have a generalized method of automating doing a job badly, these jobs will cease to exist after the AI bubble.

>>2602231
Inane and inaccurate.

>>2602241
Your AI concubine will not survive the bubble, cope.



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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2596713
Well that's been one of the most popular forms of humor for the last 20 or 30 years. Awkward humor, mumblecore, etc. I feel the same way, but the movie didn't bother me like that, I still laughed because the left is really that ridiculous.

>>2550192
How popular is Marxism among the Pakistani youth, comrade?

>>2547759
What’s the difference between being in a polycule and a situationship at that point, besides a bunch of other people know about it?

>>2596700
The same advice the Vietnamese gave to the Weather Underground, try to organize and send letters to your congressmen, donate some money if you can to orgs you think are valid and have good track records. If some of you are really desperate to fight, you can find a conflict looking for volunteers, just get fit before that, because otherwise you’ll be wasting everybody’s time.
>>2596717
No one supports Marxism proper, except for a handful of extremely minor political groups. The mood here is cynical, as our Chief of the Army gave himself a position from which he can never be removed and now has complete power over the Army, Navy, and Air Force, so a dictator in all but name, though there is still a sham democracy. But as I said, the hope is China. Chinese solar panels are now used by around 25% of the country, people here trust China more than the government, and there is a widespread view that the “China system” (as laypeople understand it) will be better than anything we’ve had before.

>>2594537
I disagree somewhat with his take, but he's not wrong. Films have normalized a lot of disturbing behavior. but I’d say it’s less about action movies and more the cruelty in popular comedies and horror films, where we often see scenes of child distress or women being graphically and violently murdered or tortured. I do think it’s more of a director’s fetish, and I believe people on the left should be calling this out more.



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Why is China willingly wasting it's time and resources with the AI thing rather than continuing to develop the productive forces while they're still ahead?

Is the idea that they can lead the west into going all-in on something fruitless with the knowledge that China can tank the damage, merely leading the AI race to get the west to hurdle faster at it? Like the AI race is a tunnel painted on a brick wall? Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that? Like I know they're stupid but surely not that stupid.

not too sure if this is a /leftypol/ or /tech/ thing, sorry.
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>>2563243
>Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that? Like I know they're stupid but surely not that stupid.
they're absolutely that stupid. the US "AI bubble" in the stock market is the biggest stock market bubble in US history. It is even bigger than the one that led to the great depression. You have to understand, over 90% of increased GDP in the USA over the past year comes from the AI bubble. And what's more important is, the entire AI bubble is perched precariously on top of Nvidia's chips, but Nvidia doesn't even make chips. They just design them. Taiwan manufactures the.m. So this also accelerates the reunification crisis between "Taiwan" and the PRC. if reunification happens, burgers are cooked in the AI race. Listen to Norton.

>>2601580
Is Bluey kino? I keep seeing it around and the artstyle is appealing to me. Hows the writing?

>>2601371
>Okay but is that machine learning or AI though?
Thats like asking if a golden retriever is a dog or an animal. Machine learning is a subset of AI.

>>2601775
Really good overall! I play it for my 1.5yo kid and we both get to enjoy it. It's written to be a show where a lot of episodes have lessons for both kids and parents, and a lot of great background plotlines for the parents to pick up on as they binge watch with their kids. The lessons are good, the characters are lovable, and it's not annoying baby babble like 90% of little kids media. It's an engaging depiction of childhood/parenthood that can be really sweet and, particularly in the case of the episode "The Sign", heartbreaking.

My main criticism of it is that it very much centers an upper-petty bourgeois lifestyle with parents who have a ton of free time, own a pretty large home, and send their kids to a fancy waldorf school. Basically all of the characters in the show enjoy this privileged life (there's actually a pretty funny subtle joke where a French poodle has 9 kids, the implication being because she's rich and Catholic), and kids/parents from more common (working class) backgrounds aren't even acknowledged, let alone shown. I don't necessarily have an issue with kids shows presenting an idealized depiction of childhood, but the idealized depiction has a distinct class character that's pretty impossible to ignore. It's not sinister like Paw Patrol, which is straight-up copaganda banned in our house, but as a working class parent I know there are going to be times where I'll have to have tough conversations with my daughter, where I have to explain that not all parents can do and provide what Bluey's parents do.

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>>2563243
>Like the AI race is a tunnel painted on a brick wall? Why would western tech companies knowingly charge into a brick wall like that?

There's a lot going into it. In part, it's less that they're stupid and more that that's where all the money is, so that determines what their companies do. Culturally, the high tech bourgeoisie also want to obviate the need for their pmc, especially after these minor rebellions related to palestine.

But in private, if you talk to anyone involved in ai, they'll admit that the math doesn't make sense. The chance of actually profiting off of the insane amount of money invested at this point is practically zero. The majority of people don't like ai or what it represents. It's actually useful applications are very narrow. No one really needs or wants it, but all this investment is predicated on the idea that it will be everywhere, doing everything, and somehow all these people that ai replaces are going to spend money on it to the tune of trillions of dollars.

I think as far as these ai developers are concerned, individually, there's nothing they can really do about it. That's where the money is to the point the us gov has more or less pledged to backstop them economically. Divesting from ai is akin to ordering the sea not to come in.

I'm speculating here, but I also think that, as a class, ai is considered an essential technology to the bourgeoisie for a number of reasons. The pmc has to be disciplined and ideally eliminated as a significant economic and social factor. It also represents a further enclosure of the digital, intellectual cultural commonses, increasing bourgeois control over these areas.

Further, intellectual automation helps mitigate the demographic crisis of whicg the western bourgeoisie are currently on the wrong side of the ratio. To use the disparity between China and the US as an example, China has, what, three or four times the population that the US does? In terms of productive output, the US simply can't compete with that. A lot of noise has been made about China's population decline, but even assuming that trend and the US's remain static, how many decades would it take before they reach parity?

I think realistically speaking also, the forces which have prevented the US's own population decline also aren't liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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>>2600935
like I said, my question was less about CPUSA specifically. the question came to mind because I was looking on their website to see if they said anything about browderism, band they did have negative things to say about it. You're correct in saying that it's just rhetoric and you have to look at their actions, but it got me thinking about the more general question of changing organizations from within. Obviously you can't do that with bourgeois parties, but can you do it with degenerated communist parties? It's a theoretical question meant more generally. You are probably right that it's not worth doing it with CPUSA specifically.

>>2600632
>le revolutionary moment
Is not going to happen. This is not Tsarist Russia, nor Imperial China, Nor Imperial Ethiopia, Nor Colonial Vietnam, Nor whatever, nor ever will be. Get your head out of your memes. Let us live in reality. You will never shoot it out with the government and win. It will never happen. The armed forces will never decide, "whoah, I guess the communists students are more popular than the government, so let's overthrow the government." And that didn't work out in Ethiopia. Just stop. Be realistic. We live in an actual democracy. If the majority of people wanted communism, we would have it. But they don't.

>>2601193
You will never win shooting it out with the government and the armed forces. Even if you got every single person who is a civilian to rise up against them you would never win shooting it out. They have a million trump cards. It's such a ridiculous fucking premise.

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>The Trident II D5 missile system has been a critical component of the U.S. strategic deterrent capabilities since its introduction.

Russia showed in the field there is no way to intercept these warheads.

>>2601680
Oops don't know why the bongs called there missiles and subs the same thing.
Ohiooo hioo hioo hioo.



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The more you read into the history of Stalin and Trotsky and their respective followers, the more you will realize that Stalin was right and Trotsky was at best an idealistic retard and at worst a literal fascist collaborator that literally wanted Nazi Germany to destroy the USSR.

Trotsky was basically an Osama Bin Laden type figure that railed against Stalin because Stalin didn't immediately abolish the state, abolish the family, pursue muh "permanent revolution" aka embroil the USSR into ill-fated wars and other idealist bullshit that had no basis in the actual material conditions of the time. How dare that Stalin works worth the material conditions and historical context and develop the state to advance proletarian interests – it's all "bureaucracy" and Trotsky is out of power so therefore Stalin must go and he must literally be assassinated (This Trotsky advocated for).

After all this it becomes clear the justification for Stalin's "purges" of these terrorist assholes trying to destroy the USSR. It's amazing that the USSR survived WW2 and constant subversion from these pseudo-fascist retards. It's a testament to Stalin's strength and competence that this is so.
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Socialism in one country also means nationalism is okay which is inherently reactionary.

A Eurasia Federation State with relative regional autonomy was what is needed. In the end progressive partnerships across the socialist block in the 20th century were minuscule and you had to look for them (like the Vietnam and East Germany Coffee Deal). Instead each country practiced autarky.

This is thread is worth less than garbage.

Anyone who is generally supportive of the period of socialist construction under Stalin should cease commenting here.

>>2601573
He was right and his reconstruction worked.

>>2601573
Seething Greek or coping Bulgarian?

>>2601681
>bulge aryan



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Are there any reactionary or non communist figures that you kinda support respect or like? And not the I like them because they are a meme or because they sabotaged themselves and their movement. Im talking more so about genuine respect towards them but still disagreeing with most of their policies. It doesnt have to be full like either just some degree of respect.
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>>2596555
It's easy. Those "american communists" he worked with were soviet aligned socdems. So the socialist movement was surpressed. FDR is a classic fascist.

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park chung hee

Off the top of my head in the political realm:

Ying Zheng
Ramesses II
Cao Cao
Ivan Grozny

Grindelwald
Fuck muggles



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Nah, what is this thread even for at this point? To be repeatedly asked our own equivalent of
>But do you condemn October 7th?
for years and years?

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Tried to bake >>2601953

>>2601927
to inform people that comes in, also to counter propagandized people. yeah.

>>2601885
not little pigs, but underpigs.



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SHOKË ENVER HOXHA GENERAL
I feel like the legendary bunker man is severely under represented in leftypol. I'm pretty sure there was must be a few Hoxhaists here. While I do not know much about Comrade Enver, the little I have read of him is very interesting. For example, his criticism of China and eclecticisms like blending religion and communism (islamic communism e.g).
Let this be a warm bunker for learning and discussing about the Mountain of Tirana.
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>>2601161
That's a guy who came out from a brutal secular regime were Islamists were persecuted as well lol

>>2601157
Proof? Source? Evidence? Hoxha won.
>>2601166
>a brutal secular regime were Islamists were persecuted as well lol
Yes but, ISIS and Al Qaeda were funded in part by Amerikkka, you fucking idiot. It wasn't "organic", America sent money over to it in order to hinder communist movements from development.

>>2601185
Amerikkka successed considering cucks like you support islamists now (axis of resistance was literally put in power by the US administration in Iraq xD)

>>2601190
I never supported Islamists though? Hoxha was always against religion, Amerikkkuck. I don't support anything that is useless to the movement at large. You are scum and a traitor diverting attention away from the revolution.

>>2601202
He supported the Khomeini in the 80s but he was probably suffering dementia at the time



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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>>2597575
he's said he's run out of ideas for videos

>>2597576
Here's a good idea: a series of videos on Das Kapital. Where the main ideas of each chapter are summarised and presented in a specifically cybernetic framework (that is, ignoring all the cultural and historic references etc, and going straight into the vectors and matrices).

>>2597577
not a bad idea. email it to him

So, is there anything happening in the cybercom sphere? Any news?

the Arbeitzeitrechnung people posted pdfrel. it seems these gentlemen have managed to get so far as to realize time exists. I also find it amusing that a bunch of Germans would choose the acronym FIC to describe the wage rate



 

Today begins the presidential and legislative election of the Central American of Honduras. With the left-wing Libre party, wish wishes to change the constitution to an anti-neolib and democratic socialist stance, at odds with the liberal and social conservative neoliberal bloc.
Whilst this is happening, Trump has pardoned a former Honduran president convicted of drug trafficking offences whilst going off about how conveniently the whole Venezuelan military high command is full of alleged drug traffickers. Honduras is of considerable strategic importance to the United States. With several U.S. Army bases situated there. Trump has also gone off about how the electorate must vote away from the Libre "communists" and vote anyone else.
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>>2578974
many such cases (actually all such cases)

Election protests in Honduras as Congress panel vows not to validate result

Officials of a Honduras Congress panel threatened on Wednesday not to validate the result of a Nov. 30 presidential election, citing an "electoral coup" and "interference" by U.S. President Donald Trump, as counting stretched into an 11th day.

While the ruling LIBRE leftist party has no chance of winning the election, it is throwing its support behind Salvador Nasralla, of the center-right Liberal party, who has also alleged fraud and said he has won the election.
It is unclear if Wednesday's declaration by the permanent commission of Congress, which escalates the election crisis, could be enough to annul the results, which must be validated by two of the three members of the National Electoral Council.

With more than 99% of ballots counted, conservative Nasry Asfura of the National Party was about 40,000 votes ahead of Nasralla of the Liberal Party, while LIBRE candidate Rixi Moncada was a distant third.
But inconsistencies in roughly 15% of the tally sheets require further review, heightening the political suspense, as those could be sufficient to sway the election outcome.

<could honduras become the 1st country to defy the us under trump?


More audio recordings have leaked implying election fraud

>Honduran president Xiomara Castro announces that she will denounce an alleged "electoral coup" to the UN, the OAS, and the EU, accusing U.S. president Donald Trump of "interference."



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