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Politicians in europe are openly claiming they wish they could have an IDF at home.
Why are Europeans becoming such chuds?
They're going on trips to watch how Israel represses Palestinians in the west and take notes.
The kind of repression Israel uses is what lead to George floyd
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>>2925526
There are literally only two kinds of people in this world. People who hate Israel and spiritual Israelis.

>implying if Israel didn't exist there wouldn't be state repression on Europe
Naive or propaganda, call it

>>2925986
If Europe didn't exist there wouldn't be Israel.

>>2925989
String of words that don't make sense

from europe to america. from america to israel. from israel back to europe.



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>>2925665
>Both anti-Euro and anti-Atlanticist at the same time right?
Le Pen's RN was literally named "occident" (west) by the nazis who founded it, like the AfD they like europe and north america, they just want to make 4th reich fortress evropa with burger money against the jungle

>>2925289
während ich mit deepseek meine bisexuelle seite erforsche, leiste ich meinen objektiven beitrag zum aufbau des kommunismus.

das erkennt jeder, der materialistisch denkt.

wen nennst du hier also "beknackt"? 😎

>>2925667
Was bleibt dem Michel? Das ist doch die Frage. Man kann die tollsten Utopien und die ehrenwertesten Werte haben, aber in einem besetzten Staat wie unserem, bleibt nur die implizierte Wahl und die ermöglicht aktuell nur: Libertäre gegen den Krieg. Also wählt Michel Libertäre gegen den Krieg. Ich kann Michel hier absolut verstehen. Ihm ist es egal, wie er danach gefickt wird - Hauptsache, er muss nicht im Schützengraben sterben. Das ist einfach das Resultat von jahtelanger Zersetzung. Normalerweise hätte man schon Putschen müssen, als es um Taurus ging.

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Die Befreiung der Produktivkräfte und die Befreiung des Körpers sind kein Widerspruch.

Sie sind zwei Seiten desselben Prozesses.

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Hey everyone, I don't really understand what people mean when they say they are for 'prison abolition', I get the stuff about economic factors need to be tackled and there should be more services trying to stop recidivism, and keep people out of prison, but at the same time don't we still need prisons for the worst offenders? Or at least some kind of place to put people that are a danger to society? Do prison abolitionists have any kind of answer for this? What places should I research?
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>>2925067
>luckily he wasn't quite insane enough to actually fire at me but it scared the living shit out of me nonetheless,
Lucky he wasn't.
> i didn't respect the gun or respect him, i didn't think or feel anything at all, i just went into total fight or flight reflex mode and got the fuck out of there.
Lucky that worked out for you.

>>2925073
But yeah, sometimes I absolutely believe fight or flight is the better option. Never be me digging my own grave at gunpoint, but that is the good thing about a police force verses other armed people is you stand a better chance of not getting killed by folding to them.
>>2924971
>i mean my political views would probably fall into the category of anarchism but i'm not dumb enough to think that you can abolish the police. someone is going to be the police some way or another. if you go to places like juarez mexico and drive around the city, most places will be policed by the actual police, but there are certain areas where the police have been effectively abolished and in those zones the drug cartels are the police - they dress exactly like police with paramilitary uniforms and masks and tactical vests and carry assault rifles and handheld radios and they conduct patrols and traffic stops and arrests and raids and set up roadblocks and checkpoints, they pull you over and ask where you're going and what you're doing here and if you have any drugs or weapons in your car, etc. there are always police, it's just the way of the world.

>>2925073

well the point of the story is, as much as this guy believed that his gun gave him power and made him some kind of authority figure and as much as his actions affected me, nobody had any real authority in that situation, he wasn't really in control of himself or what i did, i wasn't really in control of myself or what he did, no one was in control, it was just chaos. and that's really the truth of the world, we don't control the world and when we try to we just create chaos, there is no authority. authority is an illusion that so-called authority figures try to reify through coercion and violence and then they deliberately misinterpret the involuntary visceral response of their so-called subordinates as a ratification of their so-called authority. like bill cosby out on a date they manufacture the consent and then they pretend like they didn't and tell themselves that the consent was genuine and they're just a straight up player.

Side topic. I just gotta say. "Deterrence" theory is fucking stupid. The idea that people will commit fewer crimes if there is more prisons, more cops, more sentencing, more judges, more death penalty, more torture, more arrests, etc is fuckin stupid. If anything the police state just widens the definition of crime so much that mere existence approaches criminality.

>>2925624
Deterrence theory isn't about more prisons or harsher punishment; it's about stronger enforcement of the existing law. Not sure why you think it's BS. People are less likely to commit forbidden acts if they know they'll certainly be caught. For example, murder rate dropped because murder is much harder to get away with nowadays.



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Is Israel the most reactionary country that has ever existed? People will point out nazi Germany but Israel is much more xenophobic and racist. The only difference is that it's a "democracy" and nazi Germany a one party state.
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Reactionary is a misrepresentation of what they're about and doesn't really capture the full insanity.

>>2924552
>t. reactionary


Yes.

I would say Japan pre WW2 has been the worst state in history. Extremely violent not only towards foreigners but also its own people.



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What are the problems with leftist rhetoric and the purity policing and cannibalism within the community? Why can't people disagree on certain topics and work towards the same goal?

Share your thoughts.

because "leftism" is an online subculture that doesn't involve actually doing anything in the real world. which is now impossible anyway, because the world is dead and the escathon is total.
so enjoy shit throwing at your fellow leftists on this god forsaken board, it's a passtime as good as any really.

this is how non-authoritarian political movements are supposed to function internally. it's only when they are out in the world lobbying and networking and fundraising and demonstrating and protesting and striking and rioting and blowing shit up they are organized and working together. when they are back at headquarters they are debating and bickering and arguing and complaining and shouting and nitpicking and criticizing and attacking each other over absolutely everything. if they aren't doing that internally, then it's not a healthy political movement; it's just an authoritarian cult. actual leftist politics, i.e. democracy, isn't everyone being mindless robotic clones marching in lockstep and agreeing about absolutely everything, it's supposed to be human beings with diverse viewpoints and personalities discussing and figuring things out in a messy and chaotic and tedious process of arbitration and eventually arriving at some kind of consensus, which isn't the same as agreement; it just means the people who disagree with the decision accept that they've been outvoted and swallow their pride and act like adults and sit on that shit. if you can't get down with that and you want a more efficient and ego-validating movement to be a part of, go join maga. real politics is for adults only, it's not for babies.



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Lapid says young Israelis backed killing 'everyone' in Gaza
Speaking in the interview, Lapid described the exchange as painful and deeply troubling. "I had a painful meeting with a group of very young people, and I heard from them all those statements calling for killing everyone and claiming that there are no innocents," he said. When asked "Even babies?", he said the group replied: "Babies too, because eventually they will grow up and become terrorists."
https://en.yenisafak.com/world/lapid-young-israelis-backed-killing-everyone-in-gaza-3724030
https://archive.ph/y1Yis

Pakistan sent four planeloads of weapons to Saudi-backed government in Yemen: Report
The Pakistani weapons shipments to the port city of Aden, reported by Reuters on Friday, suggest that Islamabad is increasing its involvement in the war. Pakistan delivered air defence systems, light artillery, drones and anti-drone systems to Aden, Reuters reported, citing a Pakistani government official. In addition, Pakistani military advisers are also on the ground with their Saudi counterparts supporting Yemeni troops.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pakistan-sent-four-planeloads-weapons-saudi-backed-government-yemen-report

US sends third aircraft carrier to Middle East amid stalemate in Iran war
The deployment, which includes a specialist amphibious attack group, underscores the rapidly evolving dynamic of Trump’s war against Iran as midterm elections in the US loom large. Trump has threatened that a post-midterm election escalation remains a viable option – despite his initial promises that the war would last a matter of weeks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/02/us-third-aircraft-carrier-middle-east-iran

Kandahar governor denies hosting militant leaders’ talks on attacks in Pakistan
Sharif alleged at a televised news conferenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

‘This Scheme Is a Poison Pill’: Trump Blasted Over Federal School Voucher Program
The US Department of the Treasury this week released proposed regulations for the first federal “school choice” program, as proponents call it, drawing a fresh wave of condemnation from critics who have expressed concerns since President Donald Trump signed last year’s Republican budget package.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-school-voucher-program

Vance's fraud crackdown may raise costs for US health insurers, enrollees
The 2010 Affordable Care Act created income-based government-subsidized health plans for individuals, with 19 million people ‌now enrolled. Millions have dropped out this year as extra COVID-19 pandemic subsidies expired. The Trump administration now says fraud contributed to the growth. Vice President JD Vance said last week the government had removed 760,000 enrollees it believed did not exist or who had been fraudulently signed up by brokers and were unaware of their insurance coverage. Another 400,000 are under review.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/vances-fraud-crackdown-may-raise-costs-us-health-insurers-enrollees-2026-10-02/

Democrats put $3.4M behind Susan Collins allegations
The big buy from Senate Majority PAC suggests Democrats think they can turn a complicated investigation into a simple message attacking Collins' willingness to put Maine first. It also suggests they don't think the allegations in the ProPublica story — which Collins vigorously disputes — have broken through with Maine voters. "Susan Collins took illegal campaign money and steered millions in government contracts to the donor," a female narrator says in the ad.
https://www.axios.com/2026/10/02/democrats-susan-collins-maine-senate-propublica
https://archive.ph/gdsP3

Florida’s dengue outbreak is now the largest in the continental US in decaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2925123
enough with the anti-semetism.

Against the Politics of Communal Fear By Bhaskar Sunkara
New York City’s new municipal strategy to combat antisemitism comes just days after the war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu used his platform at the United Nations to call Zohran Mamdani “the antisemitic mayor of New York” and claim that since his election “many Jews no longer feel safe” in the city. The initiative seeks to expand education, support victims of hate crimes, and fund security at Jewish institutions and other houses of worship throughout the five boroughs. Laudable as any attempt to reduce animus is, the Left should view the plan skeptically. Antisemitism, it goes without saying, is an evil. And it’s an evil that socialists have particular reason to be concerned with. For centuries, the idea that powerful Jewish interests were at the heart of social injustice was widespread. Socialists of August Bebel’s generation called antisemitism “the socialism of fools” for how it steered resentment of capitalist instability and speculation into ethnic hatred. Today Mamdani is right to condemn it. And it is understandable that he wants to give that condemnation a practical policy expression. This makes sense on the level of both principle and tactics for a political leader who has been the subject of a deliberate and baseless attempt to equate his support for Palestinian freedom with antisemitism. Any socialist mayor should oppose prejudice, enforce equal rights, and respond to specific acts of discrimination or violence. The question is whether the administration’s response is proportionate to the problem, and whether its rhetoric helps people assess their circumstances accurately or encourages them to understand their lives through a sense of communal siege.
https://jacobin.com/2026/10/antisemitism-communal-identity-mamdani-universalism

Why Russia remains stubbornly insignificant to the Middle East
Support for Palestinian statehood has been Moscow's position since the Soviet Union backed partition in 1947, and it has remained so since the Russian Federation's establishment in December 1991. Rather than providing the Palestinians with substantial support against their Israeli colonisers, the Russian Federation has, since 1991, at best offered nothing more than empty diplomatic rhetoric in suppPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna



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>start a left wing populist org
>a bajillion factions form out of the fact that your economic theory is vague as shit
>get a really loud but small left wing faction
>be DSA
>pic unrelated
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My dad is a anarcholiberal that started getting into DSA politics.
He says the shit I say about "social fascists" is being said in the DSA discords and reddit about social democrats.
Because the terminally online DSA posters see themselves as Democratic Socialists.
I don't think there is a meaningful difference between the two as they both see reform as a valid strategy to rehabilitate capitalism but it is funny to see it turn into a sort of umbrella organization for all kinds of irrelevant socialism.

Get the chinese money, build the org

>>2890480
Puerto Rico

>>2892964
>He will do "Easternization" similar to westernization that Sun Yat Sen did with his influence from Western thinkers like Henry George
The American political system is so ossifed that it's going to fail hard. They're literally out of ideas and nothing epitomizes this better than them trying to force-meme Kopmala 2028.
>>2893169
>But i doubt they would be inspired by Chinese socialist system.
That's because the Chinese system was built for China. I think it'll be an inspiration for socialist movements all over the world like the USSR was but attempting to rotely copy the system will fail.
>>2924452
Today's "democratic socialists" are literally the original social democracy that believe that socialism can be attained through electoralism and reform as espoused by the likes of Bernstein and others. Today's "social democrats" have been essentially market liberals ever since Bad Godesberg.

>>2924996
the model only applicable to the chinese context:
<have institutions



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Why do communists, fascists, and liberals appropriate internationalism/multiculturalism for their own propaganda purposes?

Really makes you think, huh?

this doesnt make anyone think

Deep down everybody knows nations are fake

>>2924685
Because they want to associate themselves most people think are good, how is that thought worthy exactly?

liberals and fascists appropriate it. communists were the first to preach its necessity during an age of unrivaled bourgeois nationalism and trade union consciousness: the 19th century.

>>2924772
Bullshit, French communists were against both Vietnamese and Algerian independence



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revolution in the imperial core is unlikely but highly necessary because there is no stronger imperialist force that can come in from the outside and ruin the revolution. the third world is more immiserated and has had mores successful revolutions, but those revolutions get rolled back by CIA coups, sanctions, bombs, opportunism, revisionism, etc. the opportunism and revisionism is usually a side effect of trying to protect the gains of the revolution from a stronger outside force without being suicidal. the core would not have to do this. they are the strongest force. who's gonna bomb and sanction america if it has a revolution? china? iran? russia? DPRK? Give me a break.
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>>2887896
son… i am proud

>>2916508
AI will sent us back to the XIXth except without any hope for technological recovery or progress due to depleted ressources.
One day some retard will task an AI to mine every crypto coin available and every connected device with a modicum of computing ability will be doing just that instead of perfoming its functions. No phones, no computers, no drones and no fancy Wunderwaffe.
That will weaken the bourgeois much more than the proles.

>>2876646
>Nooooooo the working class is petty booj for not revolting!!!
So leftkkkoms are triple booj for never revolting anywhere ever?

>>2916554
If anything they actually tip the balance of power away from the ruling class and the state.

>>2916508
AI isn’t even real



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>>2920506
>Freedom to trade in grain is a return to capitalism, to the full power of the landowners and capitalists, to a savage struggle between people for profit, to the "free" enrichment of the few, to the poverty of the masses, to the eternal bondage we see in all bourgeois states, including the freest and most democratic republics.

Lenin, Freedom to Trade in Grain, August 1919

http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/FTG19.html

>[…]we made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution […] The New Economic Policy means substituting a tax for the requisitioning of food; it means reverting to capitalism to a considerable extent […] for the abolition of the surplus-food appropriation system means allowing the peasants to trade freely in their surplus agricultural produce, in whatever is left over after the tax is collected—and the tax takes only a small share of that produce. The peasants constitute a huge section of our population and of our entire economy, and that is why capitalism must grow out of this soil of free trading.


Lenin, The New Economic Policy, October 1921

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm

I don't draw the comparison between these two quotes to say that Lenin was wrong or bad or stupid, on the contrary, I think the contradictions of actually seizing and wielding power are more complex than what revolutionary theory can prepare you for. This does not mean that every last bit of revisionism and opportunism are justified, but it also means you shouldn't dismiss every hard decision that someone makes in real life as revisionism or opportunism, no?
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Tbh I think we need a far more rigorous understanding of what progress towards communism actually looks like. We tend to treat it as a random collection of policies (a state of affairs to be established!) and not the sustained achievement of objectively necessary revolutionary tasks according to the context (the real movement that abolishes the present state of things!). Taking OP's example, we can correctly regard the nationalization of agriculture and food distribution as a socialist policy that would be admirable if effectively implemented. However, if we're in a situation where the most pressing revolutionary task is the consolidation of the proletariat dictatorship (as was the case in Russia in 1921), then a state which accomplishes this while forgoing the nationalization of agriculture does not cease to be revolutionary. The only question then is whether the policy under discussion is actually accomplishing this task, e.g. is it a tactical retreat that stabilizes the Soviet Republic or is it a fatal concession to the landowners that compromises the republic's class character. Either way, the discussion should centre on the task and the policy's utility to it rather than the policy in the abstract.

>>2921264
>USSR allowed foreign help from capitalists
i never understood that line of criticism, how else would you even build an industrial base? what would the leftcoms unironically have done in this situation? just make believe and try to force material development by having grand ideas like mao tried to do?

>>2920782
>Lenin admitted the NEP failed in his last congress.
Can I get the direct quote and source pls. Sorry to doubt you but it is better to be skeptical and wrong than to potentially fall for a lie.

>>2920896
>Notice how empirical evidence of Lenin doing Revisionist™ things
he didnt do revisionism because he didnt pretend capitalism was socialism like you do

>>2920896
Oh sure let's just ignore the century or so of 'leftcoms' noticing exactly what Lenin was doing and criticizing the USSR as state capitalism because of it. Fucking retard



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