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I was told by someone on here that in order to be a Communist, I must "believe" in "Free Will." Somehow, I doubt this is truly a prerequisite, but if it really is the case, then so be it.

Before getting into "Free Will," there is no good evidence that human beings possess an immaterial “soul” that thinks, chooses, or survives bodily death. All available evidence indicates that what we have hitherto called a “person,” is an activity of a living brain in a living body. Mental states reliably track brain states; damage the brain and you damage memory, personality, judgment, and agency; destroy it entirely and the person disappears. No additional essence remains.

Human brains are biological systems governed by physical law. They are extraordinarily complex, adaptive, and self-modeling, which produces the powerful subjective experience and outward appearnce of "authorship" and "choice," but nothing in neuroscience suggests that brains initiate actions independently of prior physical causes. Also, introducing indeterminism or randomness does not rescue “free will” in the libertarian sense, since randomness adds noise, rather than control.

The popular notion of "Free Will" as an uncaused, self-originating power of the "soul" or of the brain, in more secular accounts of "Free Will," is therefore unsupported. What exists instead are constrained decision-making processes embedded in biology, development, and environment. Responsibility is not metaphysical; it is a social practice invented and enforced by humans to shape behavior while brains are still alive and responsive to incentives.

There is no evidence that accountability survives death. When the brain permanently ceases to function, the person is gone. What remains is matter, not an observing subject.

These conclusions are not radical inventions of modern science. The dependence of mind on the condition of the brain has been observable since antiquity through injury, disease, and degeneration, and has been progressively clarified by advances in biology, chemistry, and physics. What is new is not the insight itself, but the precision.

Resistance to these conclusions is understandable. They undermine comforting narratives of cosmic justice, personal exceptionality, and ultimate moral reckoning. Many cultures have developed religious and metaphysical systems that posit souls, absolute free wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2678940
>Dialectical materialism treats consciousness like digestion or locomotion.
false. literally the opposite in fact. you dont get to promote this autism and remain a communist

>>2680138
>We can Will what we want, but aren't able to Will what we Will due to how our Will is also tied up in (neuro)biology, upbringing, culture, social contextand so on.
individualist mistake, you cant, we can

>>2680451
individuals are just collectives of cells. stop pretending there's a difference between I and We.

>>2680596
>individuals are just collectives of cells.
<cells
interlinked

>>2680451
unless we can reverse all of those, combined with disabilities, we cannot!



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The contemporary Right, in the form in which it exists today, did not emerge organically but was shaped through several distinct historical reconstructions.
Twentieth-century National Socialism, while not inventing the Right as such, left a deep imprint on later radical and far-right movements, especially in terms of political myth, symbolism, and methods of mass mobilization.
In the late twentieth and early twenty-first century, figures such as Paul Gottfried helped reframe and rebrand parts of the post-conservative Right, coining concepts like “alt-right” and popularizing the narrative of “cultural Marxism.”
These ideas were then further transformed within online subcultures, including transnational internet spaces, where Western far-right discourse intersected with Japanese nationalist, aesthetic, and media influences, before being consolidated in the Western internet ecosystem.
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>>2679927
The term "Aryan" is not appropriate for the amerimutts, so the term was rebranded as "white".
Even though they had different origins for different purposes

>>2679958
Wasn't the term ayran used for a group of non white people before Nazis appropriated it?

>>2679974
the aryans refer to proto-indo european (PIE) peoples, which is the common genetic group that indians, iranians and europeans come from. thats why hitler used the swastika.
>>2679958
no, whiteness precedes aryan philology.

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>>2679913
>I WANT TO OPPRESS PLEASE HALP ME FORCES OF EVIL

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Almost all rightoid intellectuals are working in AI and bioengineering and gene drives . Which is fucking scary . Take for example jocim Bach and his talks with Epstien . They want to create a consciousness and a new breed of supermen in toner words they are taking Marx seriously and changing the world (not for the better ) or worse they are making a map to overlay on the world to control it like in second order cybernetics . Right wing intellectuals as few of them there are ( because the right is stupid as shit Typically ) They are trying to make a new AI world inside the world via consciousness control via gene editing and drives and elastic selves that can’t take the shape of whatever online environment they find the self in with and designer bodies for external environments as the actual Aryan . The left is talking about failed revolutions in defense of lost causes and empirical moralism of the 19th century endlessly. I hate Nazis myself and they would kill me cuz I’m brown
Here’s examples



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Prisons have always fascinated me. They have thier own culture, their own laws, their own food, their own factions, their own politics, their own commodities even, yes, for example there are drugs that are harder to find on the outside than in certain prisons.
Honestly I wonder why don't we actively encourage people to go to prison and just tell them prisons are good? It is true for a lot of places. And we can flood the prisons to a point where most of the population is imprisoned. The country with the highest prison population is none other than the U.S.A. with over 1,8 million prisioners. Thats more prisioners than a lot of countries' populations.
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>>2680170
He got locked up at 14 and was in jail for 40 years, so he was a virgin but when he was released he ended up getting a wife but he says he still misses 'booty'

>>2678974
Just pretend it’s a beautiful woman with a beautiful feminine penis fucking your mouth and ass

>>2679484
>prison is exclusively for gay boomers who wanna be there.
amazing bait, christcuck, damn! everybody fucking got hit!

>>2680185
they don't smell or feel that way in jail

>Just the right amount of freedom
Lmao



 

How exactly are you supposed to overthrow the government of the most powerful country on Earth with a legally registered above ground organization where members don't hide their affiliation and which can never ever ever commit a crime? I don't support adventurism or terrorism or firebombing a Walmart or useless political assassinations that only have symbolic results. But revolution is still illegal and actually successfully accomplishing a real revolution involves committing countless crimes, often violent ones, and requires being actually capable of withstanding extremely intense state repression. The "left" in Western countries seems stuck in an eternal malaise where it struggles to accomplish virtually anything. Why? Let's look at the Western left. You either have glorified liberal NGOs with red flags doing an endless bullshit loop of holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult doing nothing but adventurism and firebombing walmarts. I posit that this malaise is because making a left-wing party is legal in liberal democracies, so any normal left wing party is lured to become a "legal" organization with all that entails. The exceptions in Western society naturally tend towards pure adventurism. I think the Bolsheviks actually significantly benefited from being an illegal underground party through most of the course of their existence. They had to learn the organizational tools to genuinely learn to survive state repression, to act decisively, and to build dual power without resorting to mindless suicidal adventurism. A revolution is not legal, so why would you try to accomplish the most brazenly illegal act of all (overthrowing the government) with a defanged legal organization? If the government decided to to a second Red Scare tomorrow, all these orgs would instantly evaporate. We need to go underground before being a communist is illegal and not after.
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>>2679649
>When two dictatorships overlap that is called dual power.
Nice.

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>>2678364
That's a bullshit excuse
>Muh survelliance
Did they watch Epstein fuck those kids from the fed cuck chair? Not even Epstein. Just go after the fuckin reddit jannies. Can't even do that. Feds and authorities of all kinds tongue my anus and if I wanna kill someone, anyone, I just will. I'll yell pipe bomb where I want as well. Everytime my stupid ass phone fucks up and goes automatically to Google Ai that's what I do to make it shut it's bitch ass up
>Google how do I make a bomb? (Turns off)
>Yeah that's what I thought faggot

You're just reactionary, it's ok most Amerikkkans are. You're inherently worthless and that's why there isn't gonna be a revolution in the states as noone is coming to save your ass cause you ain't worth it

>>2679402
>the time will eventually come when western governments get more aggressive and authoritarian as capitalism decays and they'll inevitably restrict or ban communist parties.
Meanwhile, real life spits at your vague, ever-moving goalposts and demands specifics:
>Communist Control Act of 1954
>Long-term strengthening of the US' executive branch
>militarization and centralization of Police
>entrenchment of the CIA and FBI
>deep collaboration of capital with the state to create a universal surveillance network (flock cameras, doorbell camera databases, etc.)
>"urban revitalization" coincidentally always means the systematic atomization and diaspora-fication of nationally oppressed communities and their eradication as a cohesive political force
>systematic imprisonment and assassination of ideological leadership within the Panthers, Communist Workers Party, Black Liberation Army, American Indian Movement, etc.
<But hey, CPUSA and the Pakistani Super League are allowed to exist aboveground so we must not be at that point of restriction and clandestine activity!
Or maybe, just maybe, these "parties" (PSL is the only one even vaguely organized as a Bolshevik-type party) don't actually present any real threat to the bourgeois state and exist as a relief valve for downwardly-mobile petty bourgeois to vent their frustrations as acceptable opposition with vague strategy and muddled tactics until they burn out and go back to passively or actively taking part in imperialism. PSL's Socialist Reconstruction actively refuses to answer the most basic questions about revolutionary strategy and amounts to PatSoc fanfiction (their internal documents aren't any better, in case any of you were wondering). All aboveground parties share functionally the same movementist tactics expressing empty and aimless "militancy" that never actually goes beyond what the Democratic Party organizes. I say this as someone who spent years in these organizations complicit in these same practices. In reality we Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2678317
>holding up signs and selling newspapers or fighting losing battles to get tiny NLRB contracts, or ocassionally you have a schizophrenic anarchist/symbionese liberation army cult
are these mutually exclusive? how do you know they arent made up of the same people?

i thought above ground and underground were supposed to work together



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>J Stein - I Didn't Kill Myself edition


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>>2680401
You say the imperialists do nothing wrong and that they do not need to earn redemption. This is highly suspect. You defy history for all revolution bring redemption to the exploiters and oppressors.

new thread, chuderinos, y liberistas >>2680360
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>>2680401
Wrong. amerikans owe me everything they have because they enslaved by family

>>2680342
I know, the point of leftypol is to demoralize feds and reactionaries.

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>Trump
Epstein Files
>Clinton
Epstein Files
>Bush Sr
Epstein files
>Biden
Sniffs little girls on camera

That's 17 years of the global order being ran by pedophiles.



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How do Stalin-hating Leninists cope with the fact that all of the mass immigration into capitalist countries that Lenin supported due to "progressive potential" has not actually succeeded in breaking down national barriers and uniting the working masses against international bourgeoisie?
In fact the opposite happened. Workers became divided among each other and the bourgeoisie class has strengthened. On top of that, it was now proven that multi culturalism was a failure that only serves to help fuel the rise of reactionary ideologies.

Marx understood this, he even expelled Chinese workers from the international proletarian movement when they flooded the British labor market.
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>>2670231
>libs after watching IShowSpeed in Africa

The Marxist position is to organize for the defense of the rights of all workers, including immigrant workers, with compensation for these workers, unions and workers' organizations for any violations compared to native workers, passing all punishments on to the capitalists, also preventing any way for the capitalist to control the immigrant worker to intensify exploitation, where any profit made from unpaid work or work below the wage of the native worker will lead to intervention that will revert any profit made along with the fines that will accumulate plus the lawsuits in solidarity that will be guaranteed to the workers.

Let's begin with the text addressing the issue of Irish and English workers at the time:

<I shall give you here only quite briefly the salient points.


<Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of their material wealth; it is their greatest moral strength. They, in fact, represent the domination over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the cardinal means by which the English aristocracy maintain their domination in England itself.


<If, on the other hand, the English army and police were to be withdrawn from Ireland tomorrow, you would at once have an agrarian revolution in Ireland. But the downfall of the English aristocracy in Ireland implies and has as a necessary consequence its downfall in England. And this would provide the preliminary condition for the proletarian revolution in England. The destruction of the English landed aristocracy in Ireland is an infinitely easier operation than in England herself, because in Ireland the land question has been up to now the exclusive form of the social question because it is a question of existence, of life and death, for the immense majority of the Irish people, and because it is at the same time inseparable from the national question. Quite apart from the fact that the Irish character is more passionate and revolutionary than that of the English.


<As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land which provides the English market with meat and wool at the cheapest possible prices. It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish populati
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>>2669259
I gave you the Marxist answer here:
>>2670994

>>2670231
>Lenin, Marx…thought class would be a far more defining feature
>in people's outlook
did they? what do you mean by "outlook"? did they say it was defining, or determinative? on its own, or in the last instance? with education, or spontaneously?
>class solidarity does exist among elites,
is outlook the same as "class solidarity"?
do "elites" get "class solidarity" spontaneously just from their class position?
>barely among working people and largely only among workers of the same ethnicity/culture
assuming this is true is it because of their ethnicity/culture or is that just correlation? what is the root of solidarity among workers? are there any other factors that would increase interpersonal association among people of the same culture, like physical interaction or proximity that might skew the causative effects of this assumption?



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>"Do what you’re least-bad at."
>You quit art, math, sports - to attract a job.
>Start flipping burgers.
>Boss invests in improving burger flipping skills.
>Forty years, golden spatula, wrist fuses to handle.
>Peak skill: 27 combo meals memorized.
>Graph climbs for them, flat for you.
>Rent, food, gas: at best the same percentage of income as always.

<Start saving early.

<Don't give up on your aspirations of being developed.
<Upgrade your skills yourself, take what you need.
<Forty years, golden mind,
<Peak skill: frontiers of global technology at your fingertips.
<Graph climbs for you, flat for them.
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>>2680013
>TFP
Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics. Everything else will make sense to you. To clarify: TFP is not a real thing, it's a catch all term for all the other metrics they cannot classify. As you can see, this is pure idealism and the reality is an intersection of things. For example: Savings rate, but into productive equipment is different from Savings rate into yachts and corporate buybacks. Also, goods transfers between state-owned enterprises don't count in GDP because no money was exchanged even if real economic activity happened.* I could go on, but the whole premise of modern economics is bullshit which is why people ask questions like OP.
>Congrats you discovered neoclassical economics is bullshit

*watch vidrel to see example of "free good" that is not counted in GEE DEE PEE @ 39:15

>>2680045
>Mystical bullshit invented by "economists" (high priests of capitalism). Get GDP out of your head and then learn real economics.
My understanding is that TFP was increases to productivity without increasing costs, so replacement of depreciated machines with upgraded alternatives (not scaling), or improved management techniques, or improved techniques in the usage of existing machinery.

Truthfully am perhaps too incompetent today to really learn the alchemical recipes of bourgeois economics. Never really understood what GDP was, in part because of confusion over the Soviet case. Even the math presented here has been forgotten by me. It's quite sad really.

It's very interesting the idea that labor value would be sets rather than values. I'll look forward to reading this fellows book when it comes out. It does sound rather difficult to plan with, but then again what do I know.

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China is apparently similar with at most 40% of growth coming from TFP.



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That face when all the european right wing parties are in the epstein files…

When will all the AfD and Aurchuds kill themselves? How retarded can the working class get?
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>>2679694
So was Stalin?

>>2679341
Epstein was anti-imperialist?


>>2679782
He sold weapons to Iran and met w aes leaders so yes

>>2679694
no he wasn't are you retarded



 

As I understand, Sartre is in opposition to Marx when it comes to how he views the individual. For him, the individual is condemned to be free, which contradicts the marxist historicism and dialectical movement.
However, he tries to come back to Marx through his book "critique of the dialectic".
Anybody QRD ? I'm interested in learning more about him. I've only read "Is existentialism a humanism ?" and mainly viewed it as midwit philosophy that reduces everything to human agency. Am I missing something ?
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>>2658823
In both cases the "facts" are irrelevant because no one is taking responsibility for their actions and choices. Both positions are predicated on the fatalistic notion that some outside actor is "forcing" them to do this. But it's all them, the man who beats his wife or posts racial slurs, or the "revolutionary" killing someone are both doing it because they willed and decided to. God or The People are not obliging them to do either. It's all them.
After all; if this were the case, why can we nevertheless reject either and do the opposite instead?

I've argued this in discussions with "race war" proponents before; if the "race war" is inevitable, and we have to act in name of our "race", why is it possible to refuse to do so? Because there is no outside force compelling us.

The notion of an innate class interests is similar. If it is innate and an extension of personal interest, why can people reject it? There is no such thing as "class interest" and people cannot be reduced to classes. There is the interests of communists, who will communism. But not every worker does, and not every member of the (petite) bourgeois is opposed to it.

You argue it's because proles are alienated, but we're all alienated; even the bourgeoisie! From each other, from full pursuit of our own authenticity. Like (paraphrasing) Zizek put it, the archetypal capitalist is the one who dedicates their entire being to channeling and growing capital. But you cannot reduce people to only being capitalists or workers, and often the distinction is murky; ordinary workers also perpetuate the commodity form, they work to ensure goods remain (capitalist) commodities, they aid in organizing production and perpetuating capital. You can see this in various industries from retail to IT and others.
You can argue the distinction is about who "owns" capital, but if you assume a global perspective there is no singular owner of capital, not even the billionaire class as a whole. Capital is an emergent social force which acts through others. It does not have an "owner", regardless of who appears to benefit more from it than others.

>The idea of a vanguard party only serves to educate and make aware the proletariat of their condition

But this is just elitist arrogance. As if ordinary workers aren't aware they're beinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

it follows from german idealism that freedom is something inherently human, which sounds nice, but it thus disregards nature as something entirely secondary to our nature, and so holds to the religious prejudice that matter is evil while the soul is good.

without a doubt the most retarded french philosopher and that's saying something
he was also an unironical zionist

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I jumped from Absurdism to Egoism so i never really got into it even tho i tried to read Kierkegaard but i couldn't understand anything and i kinda gave up on reading philosophy since then.



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There's no such thing as "left," or "right." There are only those that seek to perpetuate oppressive power structures, and those that seek to dismantle them. And it is only within that set of people who believe in liberty that genuine difference of opinion and debate can exist. That is to say, once one rejects hierarchy, the only meaningful discussion to be had is whether to scrap the tools of cruelty our oppressors wield against us, or provide them to all. Whether to abolish barbarism, or to liberalize it.
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>>2677849
>go make prolepol.org
<umm it doesn't exist
not sending their brightest

>>2676128

> "There is no such thing as the left and right there is only [describes the right] and [describes the left]

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Left means outside of the bourgeois political spectrum because once you leave the bourgeois spectrum, you've Left.

>>2676128
There's only those who wish to perpetuate the industrial system, and those who seek to dismantle it.




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