/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The recent (assumed) capture of Venezuelan president maduro has done far more reputational damage to the United States government and its remaining close allies than anything related to venezuela. Within hours of the incident, numerous fake articles, images, and AI generated feeds were created and promptly deleted off widespread social media sites twitter, instagram, and Facebook. Actual credible evidence on the presidents status is flimsy and currently unavailable with the only potentially valid piece being a strange image of Nicolas maduro uploaded on US president’s Donald J Trump’s twitter page.
Ignoring the major problem that proposes that the us media industry cares more for promoting agendas, disinformation, and propaganda in its convenience, the actual method to (assuming they succeeded) capture Venezuela’s state of head Nicolas Maduro will do more damage on the USA’s own political system than it will for venezuela and the international community at large.
The USA so far has done the following within just the past twelve hours:
>break into a country unlawfully and without issuing a warning, declaration, or even reason of entry
>proceeded to bomb multiple civilian and publicly owned military infrastructure
>(presumed anyways since reports on other major public officials in venezuela is flimsy) invaded venezuelas national political infrastructure to capture and take hostage over the Venezuelan president
>parade the presumed operation online in gusto while letting false and misleading information circulate rampantly on public forums

Regardless of whether or not Nicolas maduro was actually captured, by this action, the US government has communicated to most of the planet that it’s government and military are unstable, uncommunicative, still willing to defy international law and peace agreements, actively violate the sovereignty and need for self defence of smaller countries, and will take violent means to secure its interests. Many in informal political spaces and some members actively affiliated with the us government presume the operation went by for control over Venezuelan citizens oil. Personally, I don’t know why they did this, but the reason no matter what is still irrelevant to the damage the USA has done on itself and its surrounding states.
Venezuela just swore in a new president to carrPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Lets say in 2028 The second american civil war broke out because the election oreconomic collapse, and it was a muti factional civil war.

If the left, whether marxists, anarchists, the DSA, or CPUSA, actually won after the collapse, how would the social revolution really unfold and how would they fix the generational capitalist conditioning. Netherless how the new society would be organized politically.

I feel the need to ask this because this site talks a lot about the coming collapse but doesn't really talk about how it would be organized afterwards.

Beach episode edition

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The USA is entering similar conditions to those seen from 1968–1972. These include imperial overreach, the normalization of acts of terror domestically, general disdain for the aging ruling class, stagnating wages, and open talk of civil war.
The main difference between the two periods is this: Gen Z has far more worse material conditions than the Boomers ever did, but at the same time far fewer direct casualties from proxy conflicts. American People aren’t dying in Venezuela, and probably won't unless the rest of the Manduro's party mobilizes the country.
Trump knows that if there is ever a draft, or if US troops start dying in large numbers, that would be the final breaking point. This is why he carried out the swift, public kidnapping of Maduro.
He understands that the US is in a crisis of capitalism, and as a result he is using, and has been using foreign threats (including the tariffs ofc), as an outlet for the interal crisis.

He is deverting internal class conflict within the US, outward onto the rest of the globe.

The main question that should be asked is this; since there is not a general organization of labor like the boomers had, will this cause a rise into smaller, but much more revolutionary organizations?

AI is currently being used as a political tool to help counter china's growing AI industry as its more easy for them to build AI data centers than America as America is fell too far behind when it comes setting up new factories and other places of business. America and a lot of countries are racing to build these data centers because pretty much everyone by this point knows there's a looming threat coming that's about to turn into an all out war.

Everything you know about business gets thrown out the window when dealing with the top major powers. Its a whole different ball game from here on out.

It's likely not stopping in the foreseeable future because it's a proxy war between world powers, like the space race, governments are injecting infinite money into this shit in the hopes of getting a weapon over each other, unless a new weapon with more potential presents itself in the digital landscape, it's not going away and these companies will keep being funded.

The goal is not to have a 'usable' product, the goal is to have the ultimate weapon of thought control/surveillance. Propaganda and misinformation are more important than ever, you've seen this shit with ukraine/palestine. It's not going away no matter how fucking shit the consumer market product is.

think about all the money that was poured into space exploration, all the factories, companies and industry being propelled by all that funding, was there ever a return of investment from the astronomical amounts of money spent by the USA during the cold war? No, they never gave a shit how much money they threw to the problem because the prize was too tantalizing -> information gathering, weaponizing space.

The space race only ever stopped because USA 'won' by landing on the moon and the public lost interest on it, which made difficult to justify the money spent on that shit vs other possible avenues of weaponization.
But AI is not the same, digital 'space' is so deeply rooted into people's daily lives that the return of investment is enormous compared to the space race, autonomous control over digital landscape through AI could give governments control over peoples perception of reality and made them do whatever the fuck you want.
Corporations and gov agencies could already do that shit, but the main bottleneck was the amount of people/resources required to monitor such systems, but AI could eliminate that bottleneck, plus all the uses of needing lePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I'm asking sincerely, how much of a problem is this? Most people are not class conscious and reactionary politics based on vibes is extremely common. I present as fairly "socially traditional" in my personal life while still being a progressive and my politics have surprised many people I know due to their associations with "the left", that being some variation of the "blue haired feminist (or trans woman in 2025)" or whatever boogeyman they have. Being a socialist does not mean what it means to me for these people.

While I obviously find it laughable to not base your politics on material factors and don't subscribe to socially regressive sentiment myself I still feel worried about how much impact this could be having on the movement. I don't know how you would deal with this though because I don't think promoting reactionary politics within the left is a good idea but large swaths of people who will definitely never read theory are also being alienated due having socially regressive views that clash with the "vibes" they're getting of the left, regardless if they're true or not. There's of course also the other side of this where people who are clearly liberals identify as "socialists" due to their own associations with the left and social progressiveness while also never reading theory which makes organizing IRL harder (I have personal experience of this honestly).

Maybe there's some kind of "class reductionism" (despite being used as a derogatory term by some) one could adopt but I also don't know how you'd do that properly since reactionaries weaponize optics anyway.

First As Tragedy, Second As Farce eidshen

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Thread in which we discuss the latest imperialist war

After the kidnapping of Maduro Trump has been mask off about imperialism, unlike Bush he hasn’t said “Oh this is for the good of Venezuela” he has just said “Oh they have oil and we want that oil for me and my pedophile oligarchs to make super-profits from.” There is no way that any population of any country would want to be treated this way, even if there puppet governments do.

Venezuela’s Vice President: “There is only one president here, and his name is Nicolás Maduro.”
The Vice President of Venezuela demanded the release of Nicolás Maduro and Cilia Flores during the National Defense Council, reaffirming Maduro as the sole president and at the same time announcing the activation of the Citizen Security Agency and national power to defend independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, which they denounce as attacked.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/venezuelas-vice-president-there-is-only-one-president-here-and-his-name-is-nicolas-maduro/

Cuban president denounces 'state terrorism' against Venezuela
Meanwhile, thousands of Cubans are worried over the fate of relatives and friends working in Venezuela. Cuba's health ministry tweeted on Saturday they were "well protected." In an interview U.S. President Donald Trump gave to the New York Post on Saturday, he said he is not considering additional military action against Cuba. “No, Cuba is going to fall of its own volition. Cuba is doing very poorly,” Trump said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cuban-president-denounces-state-terrorism-against-venezuela-2026-01-03/

Palestine Action-linked hunger striker hospitalised for fifth time
Kamran Ahmed is one of eight pro-Palestine activists who began a hunger strike last year after Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, failed to respond to a letter setting out concerns over their treatment. The group’s demands include immediate bail, an end to interference with their personal communications in prison, and the de-proscription of Palestine Action, which accuses the UK government of complicity in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestine-action-linked-hunger-striker-hospitalised-fifth-time

Hundreds at New Year’s Eve London prison protest
Hundreds of people assembled on CaledonianPost too long. Click here to view the full text.