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Some reading for UK /Leftypol/

Some brutal home truths about Sultana - I dont buy the muh fed stuff and Corbyn's lot haven't behaved wonderfully either but what Sultana and the screeching sects and radlibs behind her have done for the chances of YP now is just unforgivable.

https://samjoyce96.substack.com/p/your-partys-infantile-disorder
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>>2775407
Corbyn himself didn't even want Labour lol, he just wanted a loose alliance of community groups. It's just all the people around Corbyn who wanted Labour (because then they could have jobs in the party bureaucracy, like they had in Labour). Sultana didn't want the Democrats, she just didn't want to be shut out of any influence whatsoever, so she took up saying whatever left twitter wanted her to say.

The name fiasco wasn't because the party was divided (if it was, there would've at least been some good candidates for names), it was because the clique around Corbyn like the name "Your Party" and rigged the name-choice vote to offer "Your Party" (the alternatives "Popular Alliance" and "For The Many" were both jokes, and no effort was made to coordinate with the electoral commission and other parties to remove barriers to left/socialist/etc type names which is the kind of name most people would go for.)

https://www.thenational.scot/news/26016125.party-scotland-over-leadership-team-resign-en-mass/
The entire Scottish committee just resigned and are now saying they'll start their own party because they've been ignored by the Your Party CEC (for those just tuning in: Your Party aren't standing for the holyrood election because the UK party didn't care enough to register candidates)

Remember: The Corbyn (hanger on) faction controls the UK CEC!

>>2780422
Why did she do this?
Zarah is the face of all evil, truly.

>>2775314
>it hasn't produced much, but the same is true of whatever "true" grassroots leftism you want to align yourself with.
NTA but thats the effect the electoral neolib left was supposed to have, its existence prevents anything else outside of it from growing
in this sense it has been a complete success and not a failure
>but that doesn't mean it should be entirely written off
I agree but all needs to be subordinate to class from now on, that needs to be the new "litmus test" for the left
>unfortunately, here we return to the disposition of the average leftist: agreeable, open minded, and neurotic is not a good mindset for knuckling down to boring practical organizational work even before you throw in the need for conscientiousness/rule following, which is generally a trait more common on the right.
I wonder how the bolsheviks did it then? Maybe this framework of what defines leftists is self-defeating by design?
like, when you say stuff like this
>fundamentally, people's political alignment is downstream of their personality and disposition.
you have already given up to a class based understanding and delimination of politics and what being a leftist is or could be, it makes you sound like your mind has already been completely hijacked by individualist bourgeois ideology and therapy talk

>>2780501
There are plenty of freaks with their own little non-"neoliberal" non-left parties (indeed, most British "communists") qualify. They fail because they can't appeal to anyone under 60 or anyone who doesn't want to join a literal cult, not because the big bad Green party is bedblocking.

You do not have the power to subordinate anything to class. As Your Party clearly shows, the ultimate litmus test is "are you remotely capable of organising anything whatsoever?", only once that is answered can one try to organise on a class-first basis. (One would however require a useful understanding of class. The average class-first leftist really doesn't want to admit that most pensioners are something other than proles…)

The Bolsheviks existed in vastly different circumstances. You are making the Trotskyist newspaper argument (it worked in 1917!!) and you are confusing my empirical analysis (disposition correlates to political views much more strongly than class) with a normative one ("and that's a good thing")

But let's look at the Bolsheviks with a broad brush: they were surely the most progressive wing of their class, but did not have it's universal backing. There were almost certainly differences in disposition between Bolsheviks and SRs, and between left and right SRs, let alone other groups. Some misguided proletarians fought for the white army! My advice, if you wish, is that the Bolsheviks should not alienate natural Bolsheviks in a doomed attempt to win over the black hundreds. They should instead focus on being better Bolsheviks.
(And this is what the Bolsheviks would do! They could and would eject proletarian members who were insufferable dickheads with reactionary sympathies!)



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If there exists class conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie and historically proletarians have established their supremacy in certain countries and certain time periods like the dictatorship of the proletariat under Stalin in USSR for example was there ever a place where Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class?
Would it even be possible for Lumpenproletariat to seize the power and make their class interest the dominant one? How would such system look like and function?
Is there any political party at this moment advocating for the interest of lumpenproletariat?

Who even constitutes XXI century Lumpenproletariat?
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Lumpen cops

>Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class
"What a country!" - retarded illiterate pedo Jeffrey Epstein on class mobility
>>2780043
>Lumpen cops
"ICE is a counter-revolution of satanic guys who can't do productive labor against devout Catholics who actually produce real material value in their communities"

>>2780056
Nah, lumpens are lame. They're like failed actors who become conspiracy theorists. Proles are good.

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>>2779227
The great Lumpenproletariat are being organised in fascist anarchist squats in order to march against any worker's state available.

>>2779258
The lumpenproletariat is just a scapegoat for the labor aristocracy. Fucking Social Demokkkrats scapegoat queer people and the poor instead of their own labor aristocracy.



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>grows massive fanbase of QANON believing Evangelical Christians
>said fanbase sees Trump as the fighter against shadowy pedophiles
>Trump on the 2024 campaign trail said he would declassify the Epstein list
>once in office he calls the Epstein files a democrat hoax
>uploads ai image of himself bringing life back to someone that looks like Jeffrey Epstein while looking like Jesus Christ

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>don't fight back against your masters you slaves… just sit tight and you'll get rewarded after you die

>and your masters? they're gonna burn in sulfur… trust me dude. so no need to fight back


greatest psy op of all time



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So according to Vivek Chibber what communists need to do is the following:

-Middle class intellectuals must create a party of dedicated cadres who will then approach the workers by committing class suicide.
-Some of these workers will be recruited as ideologically committed cadres who will then unionize their workplace, creating unions separated from the core organization
-There must be discipline and accountability
-Once there, we will somehow figure out how to solve the questions on how to organize workers in the face of globalization, capital flight, and so on
  • Must engage in social reforms to gain ground and then weaken the enemy using their own tools

This isn’t very different from what Felix says, the only difference being Felix wants to use violence instead of organizing workers.

There’s no excuse at this point. Chibber has offered a viable strategy, the only problem is finding cadres willing to commit class suicide
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>>2774547
Watch this video, especially towards the end he explains what he believe a communist party should do:

https://youtu.be/PvFmBW7PY7k?si=npzAvVCsPIXg7Ad-

I'd argue against trying to take your Tips for a Revolution from a Jacobin writer on principle, but that would be as unfair as it is valid.

I don't criticize intellectuals for doing what they do, because it is important. But the alarm bells always go off when the argument is "intellectuals should do this, but not me of course, because I'm the person writing about it, my job is to tell you how to do it."

I'm not saying he personally would have to do it to prove it's validity. I'm saying the reasons middle class intellectuals don't act on Chibber's strategy are generally the reasons he doesn't; "intellectuals" interested in The Revolution are smart enough to come up all of the ideologically valid reasons that they need to choose not to make their own lives worse in favor of that ideology. At least he's honest in his terminology. Very few people commit suicide, and it usually accomplishes nothing significant.

I met a Chibber fangirl at a local study group. She hates radlibs and is a qt. I need to figure out an excuse to see her again because she was only at the last meeting.

>>2773890
Yeah, they tried this in the 60s and 70s. It didn’t really work out but I guess they learned some things through empirical observation?

>>2778977
In that video I posted he recognizes that people from his class (middle class intellectuals) must be willing to compromise. I don't know if he plans on doing it himself though



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Cuba is currently facing one of its worst energy crisies in its history, entirely caused by the US goverment further tighting sanctions on Cuba, and with the recent overthow of the Venezuelan goverment now Cuba has lost its most valuable trade partner.
There is a deficit over 2,000 MW, so its supply isn't even coming close to its demand.

Local transportation, services, and obviously healthcare is being restricted. And considering Cuba does more for the global south in heathcare then literally any western country, it tells you how much this really effects the world, not just the nation itself. As of writting this thread Russia is sending a humanitarian ship to Cuba, do we think the US is gonna stop the ship?

So i must ask, what can we do indiviually to help Cuba?
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>>2760915
>is what they are likely telling themselves
Yep. They never allow for the law of unintended consequences so they have to keep making rash judgements on the fly.

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more ejercito cubano

>>2760358
crazy how darth putler the right wing dick tator was the only one to step up on this meanwhile all the latam "leftist" goverments cucked out

Monke sent another tanker

>Lifeline lives

>>2777462
shut up man.

Trump says hes gonna invade cuba next after Iran, lets see if that happens.



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>Previous Bake
>>2774149

<Report the false thread made by the jakspamming zionist…. edition


Latest News
>Hezbollah announces resuming of war
<Iran closed the straight of KHÄMAS again but nothing else so far
>Israel attacked Lebanon killing thousands
<World doesn't really care about vitcims of Pissrael and wants to help US when it can
>Oil prices are still high

Trump Timeline:
Mar 3: "We won the war."
Mar 7: "We defeated Iran."
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>>2779488
>Third World Mafia

>>2779515
Thanks for the bake, i was too slow.

>>2779473
This should also be pissing SA, Iraq, Kuweit, Qatar and UAE or can those ships pass?

>>2779502
Trump would have to nationalize the oil industry, put forth a export ban and do massive investments in renewables and refineries. To keep gas at $4, and he should have done that two years ago. This is like with the tariffs, he destroyed the chips act which was industrial policy to spur domestic chip .manufacturing and trump ripped that shit up and slap tariffs on everyone. All while the entire economy was shifting towards A.I bullshit and data centers.

>>2779534
Passing at all means they paid the toll, which means… oops.




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>state withers away just like marx predicted
>get yeltsin and putin
MLs: WAIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT NOT LIKE THAT THAT DOESN'T COUNT
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>state is illegally dissolved by a revisionist coup that goes against all public sentiment
<withering away
pick 1 lol

>>2773590
The cia literally coupled it also the ussr didnt start collapsing until they brought perestroika(though it could go all the way back to the mistakes of Brezhnev and revisionism of Kruchev)

This is why Russia is Communist today btw. ZOV ZOV ZOV

>>2774180
No it isn’t it’s a liberal “democracy”

>>2773627
they organised the coup to wither away the state moron



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The relation between religious retards and their disillusionment with the world coming to bring their baggage while demanding change from the real movement that has already done its hundreds of years' worth of material analysis to explain the phenomena occurring by atheist anti-theist might, to come and label onself as "christian, muslim, jewish, pagan socialist-esque" or even worse an "anarchist" clinging to the niche of creative writings, seeking legitimacy and to be legitimized of ones' metaphysical supersititous retardation gives no room for development of the real movement, it stagnates it as a retrograde aesthetic tending towards reactionary stillness in life - a status quo of demanding to preserve feudal and pre-feudal mythos when the movement is trying to bring workers to view reality for what it really is, all conceptions of GOD, GODS, SPIRITS, DEITIES and such being man-made as words and remaining solely as conceptions with addendum of personal experiences always unexplained as "feelings" - trying to mitigate research and development by situations presented in such a way that they inherently deny rationale.

It is the status quo of the majority of the world population being turned retarded-submissive by abstract religiosity and contempt with its decay. To synthesize decay and growth or present decay as growth in an attempt to paint oneself a "socialist" or "progressive force" is to lie for closure.
As Il Duche himself wrote before opportunistically clinging to the catholic church in Italy for politician gains - God Does Not Exist, so we affirm his essay. Luddic left liberalism and leftism as the bourgeois liberalism it will always be - is always reactionary and the road of religiosity and negation. Reactionism will always be against the notion of revolutions, a reactionary revolution or a conservative revolution can be nothing less than Adolf Hitler's rise.
Call for the liquidation of religiosity and not its synthesis and integration within the movement against the present state of things, it is a part of the present state that has plagued civilization since all previous modes of production and continuing in liberal "secular" capitalism. Deny entryists. A "religious socialist" is either a confused socialist in need of psychiatric help or a religious reactionary posing as socialist.

A religious "socialist" is only a re-branding in name of the same feudal bullshit that has stagnated and appropriated human development foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2776411
Bordiga.party soon

>>2776464
0% Muslims
0% Christians
0% Religious Jews
0% Pagans
0% Religgers
100% The Invariant line of the real movement

>>2776468
The greatest invariant line is the one that divides Bordiga's ass into two

>>2776304
Communes are Hitlerite and the family must be abolished. Communes do not abolish the state but return to the state in its most primordial and despotic form. GTFO with your communal slave plantation.

>>2775548
Does it really matter? Ideology is a meme in the original sense of the word. it evolves, mutates and takes on different characteristics. So it is synthesis



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Why is it so hard for Marxist-Leninists to admit that the bureaucracy of their regimes end up constituting a class with their own interests different from ordinary workers?
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"Democracy" as it actually exists IRL as well as what most people desire it to be, will be abolished after the communist revolution.

>>2775679
Which is precisely why MLs can't be trusted

This was more of a problem in the past but in terms of the actual planning of the economy we can simply use verifiable mathematical models and trustless data collection mechanisms. This is the natural evolution of the means of communication. Cybernetic communism solves a huge portion of the bureaucratic problems faced in past regimes.

>>2771833
I unironically want to be a line cook after the revolution
I want to serve people food

>>2770983
They did nothing wrong, it was idiots like Gierek who bankrupted countries that had 0 national debt prior to their loan maxxing that brought on the troublesome 80s



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>Be a tiny, landlocked, resource poor country
>Use chaos from the Ukraine war to strike
>Invade Congo: a country 100 times your size
>Use rebels (M23) to do your dirty work
>Destroy Congo's military with said rebels
>Steal its natural resources and make billions
>Use newly acquired wealth to industrialize
>GDP growth accelerates to 9-10%
>Sell resources to the West to keep them off your back
>Expand control area and set up a parallel administration in the captured Congolese territories
>Increasing resource extraction in the Congo and process them in Rwanda
>Use resources to fund the war effort
>Arm the rebels with advanced weapons and support further recruitment and training
>Rebel group transforms into a conventional army
>Use the new proxy army to wage an attrition war against the Congo and their ally, Burundi.
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>>2776315
That’s Somaliland

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>>2776063
Tutsi are feudal military elites
Hutu are the opressed proles

>>2776315
>is rwanda the israel of africa?
They carry out a lot of assassinations in other countries so probably

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Kagame famously had a shitposting twitter alt
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-26536732



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