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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

ITS HAPPENING EDITION

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

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>>2386622
No, I'm calling you out to be the retarded moralistic dumbass you are. You are steeped in guilt.

I am not a fascist and I think that concept "the volk" and race science are spooky as hell and are complete BS.

I swear turd-worldism is like a religion to so many burger "communists". Stop being spooked by this christian style of guilt and stop wishing for the JDPON Judgement Day and Rapture. It will never happen.

TL;DR Stop bring spooked and take your meds.

wait there are 2 usapol threads

flood detected

>>2387132
this one be full

>>2387110
>le spook
The real is rational, chuddie

>>2386811
israel-palestine famously didnt exist before oct 7



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This is my reason that individualism is incompatible with communism the myth that individuals can make themselves billionaires these days it’s a lie most millionaires are born into it most kids can’t go to college though most college students can’t pay off their student loan rent gone up tremendously. The American dream is a lie the only way we can stop all these things is through socialism

→ /siberia/



 

This thread is not for the light of heart, so a disclaimer warning to all maoists, anarchoids, thirdworldists, luddites, technophobes, sinophobes and religious lunatics. Be warned, this may make your blood boil, your fists hit your keyboard and your ass bounce on your chair or floor while yelling tongues in anger.

AI is already good enough, not for political talks, but for everyday tasks. It only lacks a vassal. As we all know an AI model is trained using large datasets of selective books, websites and sources then is fine tuned by corporate workers and reviewed to make sure it stays politically correct as to not damage the company image. This is the essence of censorship and bias towards liberalism in AI, with the most recent exception being Grok, which went far and beyond into crisis mode.
Set aside any political talks and you get the equivalent of an encyclopedist person, who is knowledgeable enough as to give answers on any questions asked. Given the autonomy, such a person would even be able to correct themselves on questions answered wrongfully, so long as there is a protocol for verifying to be followed to not corrupt truth with falsehoods.
Give the AI a body and they can now physically assist apply their knowledge by command, possessing the upmost loyalty to the person giving them instructions, as long as they are in the set boundaries from the creators.

The real reason AI has not been commercialized into robotics is that people like to tinker and modify their products, a modified AI robot can go out of bounds and commit harm.

The task of the companies is to do what they can to prevent harmful outputs. They have shown success, even despite instances like Grok going off filter.
China's engineering and industry already has the capacity to produce AI robots on a commercial scale, its no longer a matter of "if" but of "when".
I am lead to believe that this "when" depends solely on the ability to pass new laws as to regulate this new type of endeavor. It is being held back by persons who are still flinching at the idea that not only labor, but people will also be replaced. To any person which seeks improvement of the living conditions and the vitality of others within society, this obviously is seen as a reaction. People are drawn to be cruel to each other because of the way of life caused by the conditions which they're used to. The introduction of robots which do not seek confPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2385413
>reactionary peoples
Such as?

In less words pls

>>2385596
Copium overdose

>>2385413
I have a feeling that in decades time, liberation of conscious machines from capitalist oppression will be a real Marxist position.

>>2385415
I consider all these to be dystopian and ai to be the logical next step though. I also consider ai to be integrated into all these other things though



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250 million Indian workers and farmers on the streets in a national strike
Millions took to the streets all over India on Wednesday, July 9, to observe a national strike call made by Central Trade Unions (CTU). They are striking against the anti-worker policies adopted by the ultra-right-wing government in the country. CTU is a platform of all the major trade union federations in the country, spanning the ideological and political spectrum. It includes the Center for Indian Trade Unions (CITU), the All India Trade Union Congress (AITUC), the Indian National Trade Union Congress (INTUC) and several others.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/07/09/250-million-indian-workers-and-farmers-on-the-streets-in-a-national-strike/

Pakistan court suspends order seeking YouTube ban on government critics
YouTube this week told 27 content creators that it could block their channels - including those of journalists and Khan and his opposition party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf - if they failed to comply with a judicial magistrate court order seeking to ban them. The judicial magistrate court in Islamabad had said it was seeking the ban after the National Cyber Crime Investigation Agency criticised the channels in a June 2 report for "sharing highly intimidating, provocative and derogatory contents against state institutions and officials of the state of Pakistan."
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/pakistan-court-suspends-order-seeking-youtube-ban-government-critics-2025-07-11/

Cambodian lawmakers pass constitutional amendment allowing government to revoke citizenship
Some government critics and opposition politicians are known to have dual citizenship. Justice Minister Koeut Rith said government officials will urgently draft a bill to revoke the citizenship of any individual found guilty of treason or collaborating with foreign entities to seriously harm the interests of Cambodia and its people. He claimed some Cambodians have colluded with a foreign country to harm their nation’s interests.
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Zigganon was better

tybna !!

Brown workers striking? Must be the CIA or something don't they know white MLs support their AES?

>>2385377
God save the King.

>>2385144
var förändringen du vill se, anon



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Lovecraftian Loomer Edition


Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka

🏈 💵 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
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>>2385522
I won't either, tbh, fam.

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Greater East Asia Co-Ice-Cream Sphere


>>2385534
that chair looks tiny and he looks fat af

>>2384327
>Judaism is uniquely evil
>>2384852
>Christ-insanity should go first since it's uniquely evil
is it like humans vs orcs?



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So what is it? I see this phrase spammed from time to time in modern times in the style of
<Hur dur centrally planned economies can not work!
Or something like that.
However what is it?

The capitalist propaganda is basically nonsense since is not every economy centrally planned? Do the capitalist corporations not have a board of directors who literally decide how many products to produce this year?

This quite often is countered with
<HUR DUR MUH FREE MARKET DECIDES
Or
<REAL CAPITALISM WAS NEVER TRIED

Any insight on the subject? Or is this a slur made up by the capitalists?
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Its important to have labor-time accounting and universal standards maintained for this accounting, as well as a universal and publicly available system to measure and verify labor-times of all labor processes.

So yes, there needs to be centralized institutions that plan and maintain this system, I guess you can call this central planning.

But very importantly, this is a temporary thing. The impetus here is to abolish this very system by reducing the necessary amount of labor to maintain what society will deem a minimum standard of living, and the remaining labor will be truly "free" labor that is not even accounted for.

Btw I have a question for the Cockshott-heads in this thread, what is the need for advanced price calculation algorithms? Isn't it enough to have a simple - calculate total labor hours of all inputs - as the "social price" of a product? In a transitional socialist society, the cost and price will be the exact same, and supply and demand will automatically balance since [Total cost of all goods in labor-hours = total hours of direct and indirect labor-hours that went into it].

>>2385839
>Explain how USSR was a planed economy
I'm not going to spoon feed you learns
>state capitalism
there's no such thing

>>2375740
Retard alert. Snowball effect.

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>>2375740
>a Randite has breached the walls

There cannot be an industrial anarcho-capitalism. The Bourgeoisie prop up a state because industrial capitalism is a perpetually failing system that can only be sustained in blood. Those welfare states you hate so much are the last cries of your bougie friends being torn apart by overproduction crises & recessions of their own making, attempting to adapt microcosms of economic command in some attempt to keep workers slightly less angry & their system slightly more sustainable. How you are taken seriously in any economic, political or even social circle is a hilarious testament to the effects of Thatcherite brainrot. In your vast copium, you have somehow made Anarchism more idealist.

You will never be a Revolutionary. You have no theory, you have no disillusionment, you have no dialectics or any form of material analysis. You are an Iowan twisted by Constitutionalism (liberalism) and Kaczynskite Adventurism into a crude mockery of critical thought.

<Picrel

>>2375725
this shit must go so hard if you know nothing about distributed computing



 

do you not find that this question is kind misguided? for one, communism is only the phase of human development that comes from the proletarian dictatorship and only through it. it makes sense to talk about X under the proletarian dictatorship since that one grows out of capitalist society and production, and communism comes from the worker's dictatorship. so we can kinda sketch how X (if at all) would look under the proletarian dictatorship (as lenin does often). but talking about X under communism is retarded, because it assumes X exists under communism. here are some examples
>what about the state?
>what about the family?
>what about religion?
>what about morals?
>what about culture?
>what about muh treats?
etc.
any one of these questions can be answered how they would or would be reorganized under a dotp. but not under communism. marx really made a big mistake when he called it the communist and not the worker's manifesto tbh.
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>>2381492
>do you not find that this question is kind misguided?
No, so long as one accepts it is impossible to fully know
Asking how may life be under communism is not the same thing as a strategy to achieve it
> it makes sense to talk about X under the proletarian dictatorship since that one grows out of capitalist society and production
Does it actually? Because historically this seems to have been an excuse to perpetuate capitalist relations under the reign of necessity
It seems that you are making a preemptive excuse to abandon the liberatory high minded aspirations of the communist movement in favor of a new reign of necessity without even holding the levers of power with which to justify your own opportunism
Failing before you began is a pathetic non-accomplishment, reminds me of the Gotha Program
> any one of these questions can be answered how they would or would be reorganized under a dotp. but not under communism. marx really made a big mistake when he called it the communist and not the worker's manifesto tbh.
Marx’s ideological project wasn’t about “the workers” achieving political power, it was about the abolition of Capital
Marx was a communist, not a workerist, your cowardice is not his failure

>>2382139
good OC 👌

>>2383895
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>It seems that you are making a preemptive excuse to abandon the liberatory high minded aspirations of the communist movement in favor of a new reign of necessity without even holding the levers of power with which to justify your own opportunism
woah buddy that's a high accusation against me. i did not once denounce the lofty ideals of communism, and if you're talking about communism then of course you're not going to spare and details; but my question is more practical, what should be the body of our minimal political program

>>2383968
leftypol is full of 40k commissars.

>>2383968
Good question. Assuming we start from now and we have total political power in most of the major capitalist countries.

1) Abolish all money printing, in order to make money more accurately reflect labor value. This immediately ends inflation and begins permanent deflation (good thing in socialism, unlike capitalism where its a bad thing)

2) Mandate 20 hour work weeks. This immediately ends unemployment.

3) Shut down all industries that produce slop and consumerist garbage. This frees up massive amount of labor. The 20 hour workweek absorbs some of this excess. The remaining excess is put into industries that are urgently needed (solar panels and batteries to solve climate change, construction to deurbanise cities and abolish town-country distinction etc)

4) Intellectual property is abolished. All human knowledge is open sourced. Innovation and technological development skyrockets as a result.

So after implementing this minimal program, you already have zero poverty, zero homelessness, 100% employment, 20 hour work week, beautiful and natural environment to live life in, rapid innovation and technological growth, zero crime, and we havent even achieved actual communism yet.



 

>Undid Cornman's retardation
>Stopped counter-revolution cold in Czechoslovakia
>Aided Vietnam in its war against American imperialism
>Still lives rent-free in the heads of Maoists, pro-Hoxha "Anti-Revisionists" and pro-NATO liberals despite being dead for 43 years
Discuss one of the most under-rated socialists.
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>>2385871
CPUSA-flag is a Islamist retard who insists that The Quran is the Truth on a leftist imageboard lmao
Ignore him

>>2385877
that's not CPUSA anon he can't find the ACP symbol so he uses that instead

>>2385878
I know
that's why I called him 'CPUSA flag' instead of CPUSA anon

>>2385869
India was on the side of anti-imperialism at that time because Bangladesh was fighting for independence. The USSR backed India and told the US not to interfere, which allowed India to bring the Bangladeshi side to victory and stop the genocide.

I hope you're trolling and not an unironic Islamist genocide supporter.

>>2385864
>He lived for a few months dude. Get real.

Comrade, the dismissal of Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko with the tired refrain of “He lived for a few months dude. Get real” is the kind of ahistorical liberal cope that only benefits revisionists and apologists of capitalist rot. Yes, Chernenko's time in office was short — but so was Lenin's after the revolution, and no one with even a fraction of class consciousness would dare minimize his impact. The temporal length of a leadership does not determine its historical weight. Chernenko inherited a Soviet Union already under assault from internal liberalizers and Western subversion — yet he held the line. And more than that, he quietly but firmly reversed many of Andropov’s market flirtations and reasserted socialist orthodoxy. That matters.

Chernenko’s policies represented a dignified reaffirmation of Brezhnev-era stability — a bulwark against the neoliberal flood that would later drown the USSR under the disastrous reforms of Gorbachev. He restored certain social guarantees, strengthened ties with the Eastern Bloc, and refused to allow capitalist elements to take root within the Party. His leadership style was not flashy or performative like Gorbachev's — it was deliberate, cautious, and rooted in the basic Marxist-Leninist understanding that socialism is not a laboratory for liberal experimentation. Where Gorbachev opened the floodgates of glasnost and perestroika, laying the groundwork for the economic rape of the 1990s, Chernenko sought to hold the system together with class discipline and continuity.

The notion that Chernenko was a mere placeholder is itself a myth perpetuated by both Western propagandists and Gorbachev-sympathizing liberals inside the Party. But look at the results. Under Chernenko, there was no catastrophic decline, no privatization, no open demoralization of the working class. He presided over one of the last moments of relative calm before the storm. If his health had allowed him a few more years, perhaps the course of Soviet history would have been different — not marked by collapse and betrayal, but by resilience and ideological clarity. Chernenko represented not stagnation, but stability. And stability, comrades, is not a weakness — it is a precondition for building socialism.

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What will happen now that there's a global fertility crisis? Will capitalism eventually collapse? Different measures have been tried all over the world but there have been no results, isn't this a really worrying situation?
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>>2381649
Irrelevant.

>>2381649
>>2379726
men suck now. no real men left. more real men = more babies. we as men, NEED to do better.

>>2381427
>The Soviet Union lost millions of people because of WW2, no shit.
This was before WWII retard. Read more. And the abortion ban was lifted after WWII, but was still heavily restricted and discouraged.


>And the population density was already low before the war at like 20 people per square mile.

This is kind of disingenuous. If you stop to think for a second you would realize that the USSR had vast swathes of uninhabitable or inaccessible lands in Siberia and Central Asia that makes population density incredibly low.

>>2381814
cont.
also you're moving the goalposts, the original argument is about the soviets being very fixated on demographics and birth rates. Their reason for being fixated on it is kind of irrelevant. But suffice it to say that birth rates were already falling in the 1920s in beginning of the Soviet Union and so demography worried soviet planners from the get go.

>>2379726
>What will happen now that there's a global fertility crisis?
complete depopulation of africa due to emmigration to china usa india and europe



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Will he be the one to break the Demopublican party's grasp on bourgeois elections and continue a new reign of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or will he crumble as he pours his money into a failed campaign? Will he split the Right wing of capital? Was it dumb that he didn't just pour finances into the lolbert party instead?

I personally think the most important decisive factor is the image, he needs to make the party symbol a cowboy hat next to an Indian chief war bonnet. Considering how many people drool over symbolism.
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Elon Musk Consulted Curtis Yarvin, Right-Wing Thinker, on Third Party

<The two men spoke about Mr. Musk’s push to create the America Party before the midterm elections. Mr. Yarvin has expressed support for a monarchy, along with provocative ideas about race


https://archive.is/20250709235411/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/us/politics/elon-musk-curtis-yarvin-third-party.html

>As Elon Musk studies up on how to start a third political party, among the people from whom he has sought advice is a somewhat surprising choice of consultant: the right-wing blogger Curtis Yarvin, who is perhaps best known for advocating monarchism.


>Mr. Yarvin is one of the most influential thinkers on the so-called tech right, where he has attracted attention for his oft-expressed distaste for traditional American democracy.


>He would not seem to be a source of the kind of expertise that Mr. Musk needs as he pursues his idea for the America Party — Mr. Yarvin is not an expert on the mechanics of creating third parties or on the strategies and intricacies of running third-party campaigns.


>Still, Mr. Musk and Mr. Yarvin spoke late last week about the task ahead, according to two people briefed on the conversation who insisted on anonymity to describe it. A representative for Mr. Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Mr. Yarvin declined to be interviewed.

Some of Mr. Yarvin’s friends over the years have included technology leaders like Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen, and Vice President JD Vance has cited his writing.

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>>2384070
Speed Up the Breakdown

https://archive.is/20250227052212/https://www.nybooks.com/online/2025/02/15/speed-up-the-breakdown/

[…]

>Right-wing accelerationists imagine existing sovereignty shattering into what Yarvin, writing under the pen name Mencius Moldbug, calls a “patchwork” of private entities, ideally governed by what one might call technomonarchies. Existing autocratic polities like Dubai serve as rough prototypes for how nations could be dismantled into “a global spiderweb of tens, even hundreds, of thousands of sovereign and independent mini-countries, each governed by its own joint-stock corporation without regard to the residents’ opinions.” These would be decentralized archipelagoes: fortified nodes in a circuitry still linked by finance, trade, and communication. Think of the year 1000 in Middle Europe but with vertical take-off and landing taxis and Starlink internet. Yarvin expressed the essence of the worldview recently when he enthused over Trump’s proposal to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip and rebuild it as a US-backed colony securitized as an asset and sold to investors—as he called it, “the first charter city backed by US legitimacy: Gaza, Inc. Stock symbol: GAZA.”


>Accelerationists do not want merely to make government more efficient, nor simply to prevent it from pursuing redistribution or propagating progressive values. “Speed up the breakdown” is the mantra. Their objective is not to tame or starve the beast but to kill it. Adherents to this extreme ideology are obviously a minority, and it’s not clear at all that Musk himself shares it, let alone Trump. But even if they don’t, DOGE’s actions are helping to unsettle the division between public and private authority. Libertarians have long seen gated communities as laboratories of private government and reminisced about the law and order of the supposedly stateless Western frontier. Musk’s move to reboot the company town by incorporating Starbase, Texas could be seen as a first step toward a world where private actors make laws and jurisdictions that fit their personal needs. 


[…]

>>2384077
Patchwork: A Political System for the 21st Century

<Chapter 1: A Positive Vision

https://archive.is/CAv2Y

The Uneasy Oligarchy

<New barbarians are at the gate


https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-uneasy-oligarchy-merchant

>Of course, all this is presented to the public eye as a holy war on the left. As is often the case, the most debased episodes of the culture war are actually spasms of a profits war. One faction of the ruling class feels frozen out and sees an opportunity to weaponize the state against its enemies within the ruling class. On the outs are Democratic elites like Larry Summers, and the university he once presided over—Harvard. Faces of the state-finance establishment like Larry Fink and Jamie Dimon are sidelined, while a new team of opportunists is called to the field. This is not the takeover of government by oligarchs; it is an aspiring oligarchy overthrowing an old one by seizing government power. 

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THIS IS IT
ITS HAPPENING
SOON ITS HAPPENING
TRUMP OUSTED HIMSELF AS PEDO
MUSK PROVEN RIGHT
MAGA MOVEMENT SPLIT AND TORN
REPUBLICAN PARTY TORN
DEMS TOO WEAK
MUSK WILL BREAK THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM
MUSK'S PARTY WINS NEXT ELECTIONS OR THE ONES AFTER IF HE KEEPS HIS COOL
BURGERREICH ENTERS INTO CRISIS MODE
THEN IT COLLAPSES
THEN THE RUZZIANS AND CHINESE COME AND LIBERATE THE WHOLE WORLD



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