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Unfortunately after choking Cuba for months after starving it for 67 years Trump is probably going to invade Cuba because after getting humiliated by Iran it s clear that this sociopath wants to reestablish his dominance and the American Empires dominance by doing regime change in Cuba, there is no justification for doing this other than the fact that America is a rouge state. It is not looking good for the Cuba because it is obvious that all of the Latin American vassals won't do anything, Putin will probably promise not to do anything in exchange for more of Ukraine, and China will condemn the invasion but China still trades with Israel so they won't do anything. So Cuba is on its own but what will happen because unlike in Venezuela were there was opposition parties and stuff I don't think that the US will be able to work with parts of the government so who knows what they will do, and if there is a state of war the obvious thing to do would be for Cuba do what Iran did and punish the Florida keys but Cuba has no missiles but they have tons of Soviet-era tanks so maybe they will try to retake Guantanamo bay. And technology has advances since the Bay of Pigs invasion so Amerikkka will probably target civilians with drones and since we live in hell all of the Guanos will cheer as Trump blows up their extended family members. But what do you think will happen?
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>>2785501
>when it chose to be a US/wester tourist resort instead of taking Chinese and Russian energy, trade and infrastructure deals
>implying
retard

I’ll tell you what will happen; Americans on leftypol will instantly go into defensive mode and claim it’s good, because now Cuba can have a reeel revalushan against US imperialism and the redfash MList gubbermint. But more importantly, le orange man still lives and leftists simply wait until they can hawk tuah and vote on that thang.

interimperialist conflict
neither washington nor havana
cuba is today a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, a dictatorship of the big bourgeoisie, a dictatorship of the german fascist type, a dictatorship of the hitler type

>>2786321
rent free. leftgods raped your mind

>>2785258
The borgies can rule from florida.



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Is the key flaw of Marxism that all of its predictions are bullshit? Why do communists feel like facts have to conform to their feelings when Marx never said that? Marx was never a moralfag and based his ideas in the fact he believed the collapse of Capitalism was inevitable. 200 years on, and it has not collapsed or led to any sort of successful socialist revolution.

You can identify the exact point at which Marxists start coping and treating their belief system as a religion. From the Preface of The Poverty of Philosophy on Marxists.org:

>The above application of the Ricardian theory that the entire social product belongs to the workers as their product, because they are the sole real producers, leads directly to communism. But, as Marx indeed indicates in the above-quoted passage, it is incorrect in formal economic terms, for it is simply an application of morality to economics. According to the laws of bourgeois economics, the greatest part of the product does not belong to the workers who have produced it. If we now say: that is unjust, that ought not to be so, then that has nothing immediately to do with economics. We are merely saying that this economic fact is in contradiction to our sense of morality. Marx, therefore, never based his communist demands upon this, but upon the inevitable collapse of the capitalist mode of production which is daily taking place before our eyes to an ever growing degree; he says only that surplus value consists of unpaid labour, which is a simple fact. But what in economic terms may be formally incorrect, may all the same be correct from the point of view of world history. If mass moral consciousness declares an economic fact to be unjust, as it did at one time in the case of slavery and statute labour, that is proof that the fact itself has outlived its day, that other economic facts have made their appearance due to which the former has become unbearable and untenable. Therefore, a very true economic content may be concealed behind the formal economic incorrectness. This is not the place to deal more closely with the significance and history of the theory of surplus value.


Marx never would have said this lol, this is plain magical thinking
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>>2780224
>It will be an unpopular view but: for the most part deregulation doesn't belong in the list of concessions rolled back. Deregulation is the one good idea neoliberals had. Generally speaking, it is good to just let people do things and it is bad to try to protect worker pay and conditions via rigid regulations that can't respond to changing conditions.
deregulation doesn't refer to merely to letting people "do what they want" but also the rolling back of workplace safety laws, food and drug regulations, environmental and waste disposal regulations, etc.

>>2780149
>Since when funds are surplus?
Because if you're going to have anything leftover after workers have accepted their compensation, there must necessarily be a surplus. This is exactly why Marx criticizes the notion of workers receiving "the undiminished proceeds of labour," since if every worker received their full output as compensation there would be nothing left for the purposes I mentioned.
>Workers state should focus on developing both their internal state and external revolutionary movements without unnecessary separation between them
The Soviets did exactly this though. Even when they were practicing "socialism in one country" they were still supporting communists abroad and of course set up communist governments in Eastern Europe after the war. You're taking the "one country" part too literally, it effectively just meant that the USSR would see to its own development and security first before turning its attention outward.
>>2780281
>The problem with the USSR is that workers had no right of disposal to their product, and were thus still alienated from their labor and society.
What would such a right look like in practice though? If production is subordinated to a central plan, then individual firms and their workers can't be deciding on their own how much to produce, according to what standards, where to distribute their products, etc.
>Likewise the wage relation, commodity production, etc. still existed
The existence of wages is debatable since I would argue that the Soviet system conformed to the criteria for renumeration laid out by Marx in Critique of the Gotha program, though of course they probably could have done more to replace money with something like labour vouchers. I would argue emphatically that commodity production was not generalized however, since goods were produced and distributed according to a common plan for use, not as articles of private exchange for profit seeking purposes.
>You can't advance to communism from here
I don't see why not. Why would a second revolution be necessary to replace Soviet money with labour time calculation?

>>2780583
NTA

state transition has to be possible otherwise you cant explain why the USSR fell and became capitalist again without saying real socialism never existed at all and being idealist

>>2777310
No I wouldn’t, I only invented Communism as a joke and you guys fell for it!

why have there been so many channers here lately? which board did we get posted on?



 

>yeah our subcultures and ideologies are rooted in the far right but we're actually anti-fascist!

Why are mainstream leftist retards like this?
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>>2786488
Faggot

>>2769934
Goth has never been right wing, like ever. If anything it has leaned left. Zoomers can't comprehend that people in the early 70s post-punk scene used offensive imagery for shock value it seems.
Pagans are mostly harmless retarded schizotypal hippies and metalheads for the most part. They shouldn't be encouraged but they're not a threat.
And in any case, so what if a movement has a right wing presence?
Why should leftists surrender whole spheres of art and culture and aesthetics to the right?
That's just granting the right an easy win in the cultural sphere, which translates into a broader propaganda win, and more people into that style of art being funneled into right wing ideology.
It's the moral obligation of the left to claim these things for our own, to push the right out.
If some young person gets into black metal for example and only sees Burzum and Nazi shit they're more likely to become a Nazi. If they get into it and see leftist bands, then maybe they'll head into a left wing pipeline. Don't underestimate the role of soft power and culture in developing a person's personality and beliefs.

Because mainstream western leftism is Nazism with an expanded definition of the master race

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>>2770054
Brace Belden, is that you? Do you still claim that you beat up neo-Nazi skinheads during punk concerts in Portland in 2012?

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>>2770570
these's also these 'BIPOC' Indigenous revival faiths that are just stylized ceremonies, no one actually believes in them and that they are promoted by a handful of pretentious academics and activists



 

Thousands demand ministers put ‘renters before their super-rich mates’
The National Housing Demonstration saw tenants protest in central London with the backing of more than 50 grassroots groups, trade unions tenant unions such as Acorn, Generation Rent and Greater Manchester Tenants Union, as well as politicians from Your Party and the Greens.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/thousands-demand-ministers-put-renters-their-super-rich-mates

Civil resistance activists detained in Manchester over alleged plan to raid high-end stores
Take Back Power, a civil resistance activist group, confirmed its supporters had been arrested. All members of the group remained in police custody for questioning, it said. Police in Manchester said the group were believed to have been training for a mass shoplifting campaign, intending to steal from high-value stores and supermarkets and redistribute the stolen goods.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/19/civil-resistance-activists-detained-in-manchester-over-alleged-plan-to-raid-high-end-stores

The center-left coalition of former President Radev will win Bulgaria’s election, exit poll suggests
The poll conducted by Trend research group showed Radev’s Progressive Bulgaria earning 39.2% support, edging out the center-right GERB party of its veteran leader, Boyko Borissov, which is expected to capture 15.1% of the vote. Despite the huge gap between the two groups, the predicted percentage may not be enough for Radev to form a one-party government, and he will face the uphill task of looking for partners to govern.
https://apnews.com/article/bulgaria-election-radev-borissov-corruption-3e20cf8eef356337f724fd967efb72cf

US military seized Iranian-flagged container ship, Trump says
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Minnesota medical drivers plead for help from politicians after national business cancels contract over fraud allegations
A national medical transportation business says allegations of fraud caused it to recently cancel a 20-year contract with a local company. The company says it's not true. From the Minnesota State Capitol steps, a group of roughly 95 non-emergency transportation drivers, most East African, say they're being targeted.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-medical-transportation-drivers-need-help-fraud-allegations/

Minneapolis woman dragged from car by federal agents files legal action
Rahman said an agent punched in her passenger-side window even though her own window was rolled down. A viral video of the altercation shows agents dragging her out of her car while she yells that she’s disabled and trying to go to the doctor. Rahman is autistic and in treatment for a previous traumatic brain injury, which she told agents as they dragged her to an unmarked car. She typically uses a cane.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/04/19/aliya-rahman-dragged-from-car-by-federal-agents-files-legal-action
https://archive.ph/712XQ

States eulogize Charlie Kirk with new laws promoting religion and free speech
A new Kansas law will allow college students to sue their schools for free-speech violations. In Tennessee, a new law will encourage teachers and professors to include “the positive impacts of religion” in American history courses. The common factor: Both are being done in the name of Charlie Kirk.
https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-laws-free-speech-1ef2e977c5cec05c8b521c38dce57443

Wisconsin authorities put total arrests from clashes at beagle breeding facility at about 25
Saturday’s protest was the second attempt in as many months by demonstrators to take bePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Statement on Lebanon by the Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades
The cessation of aggression against Lebanon is the result of the steadfastness of the Lebanese people and their valiant resistance The Front affirmed that forcing the Zionist occupation to halt its aggression is the fruit of the steadfastness of the people of Lebanon and the immense sacrifices made by the valiant resistance, which fought a legitimate defense of Lebanese land, people, and rights.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/31638/

Dockworkers Against Russia’s and Israel’s Wars
Ahead of May Day 2022, two months after Russia’s full-scale attack on Ukraine, Ukrainian trade unionists called for solidarity with the invaded country. Artem Tidva, a Ukrainian left-winger and labor activist, addressed international unions calling for actions to help stop the Russian war machine. In Sweden, such action was already underway. In March 2022, Swedish dockers had begun a blockade of Russian ships. This decision, supported by a nationwide vote among the Swedish Dockworkers’ Union’s approximately one thousand members, highlighted the complicity of global capitalist mechanisms in facilitating Russia’s evasion of sanctions. Yet it also met with resistance from both employers and politicians, and the union faced practical problems in identifying ships belonging to Russia. Yet despite legal challenges, including two lawsuits, Swedish dockers continued their solidarity effort. These efforts earned support in wider society, not least thanks to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky mentioning the action in a speech. Erik Helgeson, a dockworker in Gothenburg for the last twenty years, was one of the union activists involved. Deputy national chairman of the Swedish Dockworkers’ Union, he was fired from his port job in 2025 — this time following another solidarity action, against Israeli shipping. In an interview, Tidva and Hegelson spoke about the Swedish actions and the role of worker solidarity in stopping the machinery of war.
https://jacobin.com/2026/04/sweden-dockworkers-boycott-russia-israel

The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte Chapter I: Feb. 1848 to Dec. 1851
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The US left is a graveyard of wasted motion, but nowhere is the dead rotting flesh more visible than in the bookkeeping of its "vanguard" parties.

>>The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is currently nursing a seven-figure debt, cutting half a million dollars from its own staff while chasing the electoral dragon. The entire organization spent just $10,783 on federal elections in 2024, a pittance that gets swallowed whole by a single real estate developer’s check. They dump millions into campaigns (just look at the $28,000 a single mayoral candidate paid his local DSA chapter for "texting"), yet can’t scrape together the funds to keep a single free clinic running. This is the political economy of the professional left, burn cash on consultants, beg for donations to pay off debt, and call it "building power."


>>Meanwhile, the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) isn’t even in the same league. Their idea of a "revolutionary" budget is a phone bank asking for $101 donations to "defeat the extreme-right," with zero transparent accounting of how those dollars translate into actual working-class power. For all their talk of centralism, they’ve been reduced to a glorified NGO, fundraising for Cuban pacemakers instead of organizing the oppressed in their own backyard.


Where does all this money go? It certainly doesn’t go to the people. DSA pours its resources into "inside the system" electoralism, running candidates on the Democratic Party line and calling it a "conquest of ballots". They spend fortunes on primary campaigns, Jamaal Bowman’s loss was the most expensive primary in U.S. history, while anarchists and real leftists open free clinics in dingy squats, scraping by on shoestring budgets because they actually live with the people they claim to serve.

This is the hypocrisy of the white‑collar left. They are careerists, middle managers, and petty‑bourgeois intellectuals who have never missed a meal. Their politics are a hobby, not a survival strategy. They call the lumpen "counter‑revolutionary" and the blue‑collar worker "crude," then retreat to their academic castles to write another resolution about "building dual power." Meanwhile, anarchists, the ones with actual class composition rooted in the working class and the dispossessed are the ones running the real mutual aid networks, organizing prison strikes, and keeping the lights on in the community spaces thaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2786736

You're an idealist, plain and simple. You pick a camp like you're picking a character in a video game, then act like there's zero room for critique or movement inside that camp. That doesn't help anyone grow. It just makes you easy to manipulate by people who either fake your politics or actually share them, but then push useless or bad praxis anyway.

This problem is everywhere on the left. Y'all are doing idealism instead of dialectical materialism. End of story.

Marxists refusing to learn from people who are way more active than their own orgs just because those people don't have the same "tendency" label means you don't actually want to build working-class power. You want your specific ideology to win in the marketplace of ideas. And if someone's organizing doesn't match your party line perfectly, you call it deviation and act like supporting them would be giving power to the other idealogue camps. The thing is, Anarchists are guilty of this at times to. Those of us who are most based give zero shits about label, we just want working class power and fury to rise.

Anything else isn't class war. It's a war of idealism. And it's pathetic to be honest.

>>2786689
>Anarchists and Maoists write better texts on action
<The Albanians, along with the Chinese, make up 1/8th of the world's population

>>2786764

You aren't slick, I know.

>>2786736
define marxism

The US is already communist and has been since 1865



 

Say, in the next few years, fat engineers in Silicon Valley invent some robot that can do everything a regular human worker can do.
Why wouldn't the Bourgeoisie immediatly mass produce this and exterminate us with it ? Why would they keep us alive ?
Can they actually win the class war ?
Obviously we're not there yet, but it's getting closer isn't it.
Idk, maybe they all get fucked by climate change anyway, that would be funny.
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The robot would kill them out of indifference the way humans kill animals out of indifference, by destroying the environment that supports us and displacing us, that would include the bourgeois. Also they need consumers for whatever they happen to manufacture.

>>2786117
No, how many times do we have to go over this. The bourgeoisie are not magical demons that can do whatever they want. They don't know how to code robots or operate drones, even if they did like in any war the side with more people always wins in the end ffs. The moment that full automation becomes a thing is the moment they no longer have anything to bribe the working class with to prevent their own downfall. If everyone in this scenario is acting out of pure self-interest than any attempted genocide by the upper class towards the lower will just result in an immediate unconcious annihilation of the bourgeois out of self-defense by the working class. IP doesn't grant power, muscle grants power and we have far more of it than them.

>>2786117
This was one of the paths to communism in Four Futures, I believe. The rich kill the proles and live in an automated robo society, money loses meaning, communism achieved. Well, except the part about labor being life's prime want. The gay space communism people always seem to skip that part.

capitalism literally cannot even exist without a proletariat, read a book retards

>Could the Bourgeoisie win the class war by exterminating us?
no
>Say, in the next few years, fat engineers in Silicon Valley invent some robot that can do everything a regular human worker can do.
they cant do that



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>Previous Bake
>>2781447

<Confused name and subject field edition


Latest News
>Ceasefire agreed between Lebanon and Israel
<But it's a special ceasefire where Israel keeps bombing Lebanon
>Trump claims Iran has agreed to not pursue nukes
<Or not who cares
>Oil futures are doing whatever I don't even know
<Can I hold the american government accountable for destroying my last living neuron?

All of this and more tonight on the /iran/ war thread numero fifty nine

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Oil futures markets open in ~6 hours.

>>2786430
who cares about the oil futures, the sp500 only goes up lol


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>>2786439
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>>2786439
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>>2786439

>>2786329
there's more than one person here m'lawd

And there's always room for *more* hate :-)

>>2786412
go back



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The pigs, No mystery as to whom they represent, They even steal our protagonists' eggs and they're determined to put an end to this robbery once and for all.
The pigs are usually encamped in elaborate building structures which represents the deeply embedded and far reaching capitalist system while our heroes, the birds, can only ensure an end to the robbery by destroying them. Parallel to the proletarians' task to smash the state machinery. If otherwise the game would be a defensive one (reform, fending off against the porks)

To top it all off, birds can fly, Which symbolizes the infinite potential and rise of living standards of the proles once their shackles to the exploitative system is gotten rid off.

Very clear that the main character being red is an homage to the Soviet Union.

<The main story of the games and the movie are about the birds fighting back against colonial oppressors who want to eat their children.

<Said colonial oppressors are literal porkies who are colored green


<The pig society is an imperialist monarchy ruled by King Pig.


<In the movie, the pigs come to bird Island to share their "knowledge" with the birds but are in reality there to steal their resources (eggs) and exploit them.


Op is unironically correct.



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I feel like…
discussions about race, gender, sexuality and its relation to structures (or "post-structures") have reached a limit and class is not a concept good enough to replace it.
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>>2785950
Not that anon, but I think I get what he’s saying. It does feel like the New-left/Critical Theorist ideas about race are irreverent, because they largely depended on stable capitalist liberal societies to function and those systems seem to be changing or breaking down.

My glowie senses are tingling. I'm noticing an increase is typical bullshit arguments and discussions that retread age old conflicts that were resolved long ago.

>>2785953
Literally the point of postmodernism, reject any basis from before and try to be critical of everything that has ever been thought before so you can the most original political ideas (Neoliberalism with different names)

>class is not a concept good enough to replace it
show your working uygha class analysis is literally all there is we have like two centuries of thought and praxis proving this otherwise im just gonna assume youre another well poisoning neoliberal many such cases

Yes you have more in common with Elon Musk than someone flipping burgers at McDonald's because both of you think transhumanist bathrooms cringe



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If the rate of profit hits zero what will happen? Won’t it just boil down to the richest creating their own segregated societies were human level AI robots produce whatever their rich owners need, why everyone else would continue to live in a new cycle of capitalism that is run by everyone who doesn’t own high-end tech to become a master of an army of robot slaves as well? It seems like the profit rate hitting 0 wouldn’t be the end, it would just start a new cycle.
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>>2786202
So you’re problem is specifically with bipedal robots or any legs at all I guess

>>2786210
I didn't make the post but that's what I heard, legs are unstable and it can easily fall down, etc

>>2786216
Yeah, but wheels don’t work for stairs and tracks are a quite rigid solution. If bipedal is mastered it would be the most flexible solution.

>>2786239
True that wheels dont work for stairs in the typical design but most robots wouldnt need to go up and down stairs. There's also like triangular wheeled arrangements that can go up stairs (albeit slowly).

Bipedal robots usually just feel like silicon valley pablum, you're left to imagine 'what if it could do everything a person can', but it can't, so it's silly. You know what robot I like? Those automatic fruit/veg pickers, they actually seem to work correctly. I don't believe there's any two legged robots actually in real 'work' at the moment.

>>2786241
Wheeled robots, tracked robots and stationary robots will make up the vast majority of robots in usage, and even quadropedel are going to be preferred over bipedal, so you’re right.



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