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Gonna make a new thread because no one is replying and this is a serious question I have been thinking about for years.

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>>2731683
>>2731689
>God all these countries suck so fucking much at psy-ops. China, Russia, Iran. Look at their propaganda outlets directed at the US and HOW FUCKING SHIT THEY ARE! RT, CGTN, PressTV.ir SUCK SO MUCH ASS!

<CGTN has had on FUCKING HAZ FROM INFRARED!

<PressTV.ir has had on as a regular FUCKING <JASON UNRUHE!
RT has had FUCKING CALEB MAUPIN as a regular correspondent!

>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows. How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.
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>>2733878
The xhinese foreign policy ended up backing many retarded regimes and loosers movements over the years

It's pretty funny that xina vouching for you means you only get to be a microceleb streamer and a slopulist right-wing account that get ratioed by nick fuentes. Russia gave jackson hinkle a hoe but china cant buy him botted likes?

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>>2731716
>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows.

>>2739418
Pure AIDS. But money well spent I suppose.

>>2735061
>I've seen some clips of their newer stuff like their Korean war movie and it looks like amateur hour.
True, I heard from a sinologist I like to watch sometimes that his contacts in China talk to him about Chinese TV getting more and more boring, and how there is some cultural national push going on which saps the fun out of TV shows. But most of donghuas are ONAs so they are a bit more distanced from this trend.



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I decided to make a thread about the Cuba crisis since Trump has made threats yesterday and the media has been manufacturing consent at an alarming rate. As a US citizen I never usually get pissed off whenever Trump says something terrible but Jesus Christ his comments on “Taking Cuba” genuinely threw me into a rage and it is also infuriating that this is being done on autopilot as some B-Team side-project while Trump rapes Iran.
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>>2743640
>Can’t they just get a different currency and de-dollarize?
that's not what de dollarizing means
it has to do with the US being the world reserve currency, thus compelling everyone to trade in dollars whether they have those dollars already or not. it has nothing to do with whether a particular country uses dollars as its day to day currency, which very few do.
>Trump will invade any country that decides to pledge their currency to China’s but
nobody has "pledged their currency to china's"

all dedollarization means is ending the US's exorbitant privilege as world reserve currency. it does not necessarily imply that another nation's national currency will need to become world reserve.

>>2743842
There isn’t ever going to be a single reserve currency again, you’re going to see states trade in various currencies and precious metals as they scramble to fill in whatever niche they can in the new economy

>>2743918
You know, i wonder why the UN hasn't made a universal reserve currency other then the US dollar, it seems like the only way for a truly non-imperialist (including marxist-leninist countries) backed currency.
Idk

>>2744149
Because they know the US would unleash unrestricted nuclear hell on the rest of the world if they tried

>>2744149
>the UN
you got any any idea how the UN works? its not an economic forum, and the US has a veto in it. The best hope we have for a better reserve currency is BRICS "unit" which was apparently test launched just 3 month ago, but info about it is very scarce (its a mix of gold backed and basket of brics states currencies, similar in idea to keynes proposed bancor, as a tool of trade between countries)



 

Racism among leftcommunism

It's time to discuss the problem of insane racism and chauvinism among leftcoms.

Virtually every leftcom on the internet constantly posts "ironic" racist memes, uses racist terminology, shits on the Third World and somehow conveniently supports the foreign policy of first world countries

How do we deal with this problem? Can leftcommunism be salvaged? Or should they be banned?
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>>2743151
There is a spectrum of Stirnerists and leftcoms

>>2743123
Yeah? And?

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>>2711487
Yes and?


>>2711490
>Leftcoms aren't liberals
Correct



 

The revcom legitimately got brainwashed into a cult group, how the fuck did Amerikkka mindbreak domestic groups so badly? Dude has done nothing for years. There're apparently 80 page pamphlets written by their "organization" and literally an updated news page trying to market this guy as their leader.
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>>2744837
thats def true wrt to Maupin, also had no idea that Midwestern Marx was in the ACP but it does make sense

Americans have some strange cultural / genetic attraction to cults.
Maybe it's to do with so many of them being the refuse thrown out of Europe in the 1600/1700/1800s for being religious schizos.

>>2744992
Desperate proles tend to have an attraction to low effort slop cults especially. It's not just a yankee thing. RCP tended to attract a lot of inner city blacks and latin@s, not WASPs. But both of those demographics tend to get involved in sects as well. It's fair to say these serve as substitute for the tight knit evangelical/baptist churches they were brought up with. They were smart enough to reject the christian ideology but have an internalized affinity for the underlying patriarchic social structure.

>>2745019
And also a substitute for street gangs like Latin Kings or the Crips.

>>2745065
Indeed. the C.R.I.P.s Community Revolution In Progress/ were actually an offshoot of the Black Panthers tho. It's said they were called "crippled" because they all carried around canes as part of their "uniform" (+black leather jacket and beret).
The Panthers were very cult-like themselves, and come to think of it Bob Avakian's militancy goes back to the time of leading the White Panthers in the rainbow coalition. He's literally White Huey.
When you think about it every organization is a cult.



 

So, this is apparently the direct predecessor to Marx. Teach me about French utopian socialism and early socialism, I never hear of it. How impactful were they before Marx's epistemological break?
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From the Communist Manifesto:
<3. Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism
<We do not here refer to that literature which, in every great modern revolution, has always given voice to the demands of the proletariat, such as the writings of Babeuf and others.
<The first direct attempts of the proletariat to attain its own ends, made in times of universal excitement, when feudal society was being overthrown, necessarily failed, owing to the then undeveloped state of the proletariat, as well as to the absence of the economic conditions for its emancipation, conditions that had yet to be produced, and could be produced by the impending bourgeois epoch alone. The revolutionary literature that accompanied these first movements of the proletariat had necessarily a reactionary character. It inculcated universal asceticism and social levelling in its crudest form.
<The Socialist and Communist systems, properly so called, those of Saint-Simon, Fourier, Owen, and others, spring into existence in the early undeveloped period, described above, of the struggle between proletariat and bourgeoisie (see Section I. Bourgeois and Proletarians).
<The founders of these systems see, indeed, the class antagonisms, as well as the action of the decomposing elements in the prevailing form of society. But the proletariat, as yet in its infancy, offers to them the spectacle of a class without any historical initiative or any independent political movement.
<Since the development of class antagonism keeps even pace with the development of industry, the economic situation, as they find it, does not as yet offer to them the material conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat. They therefore search after a new social science, after new social laws, that are to create these conditions.
<Historical action is to yield to their personal inventive action; historically created conditions of emancipation to fantastic ones; and the gradual, spontaneous class organisation of the proletariat to an organisation of society especially contrived by these inventors. Future history resolves itself, in their eyes, into the propaganda and the practical carrying out of their social plans.
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Someday someone will write a paper about how China is actually existing Saint-Simonian socialism. You heard it from me first.

>>2743497
Who is he

In "The Theory of Four Movements" (1808), Charles Fourier describes how he wants to promote voluntary, co-operative communities of associated producers, who live in an organisation called the "Phallanx". This is a superior form of society than Civilisation itself, since civilisation creates poverty by industry and destruction by passion, while Fourier claims that in the Phallanx, all industry and all passions will be for productive ends, turning the play of children into a source of revenue. His ultimate aim was transforming chaos into "Harmony".

In "A New View of Society" (1813), Owen describes how his experiments in New Lanark have caused him to consider that rationally organising society in the way of a communal factory system, with kindergartens, can cause collective benefits to all members involved. He later associated with Josiah Warren, and both of them invested efforts in creating a utopian commune in New Harmony, establishing things such as labour vouchers. Owen was entirely consistent in his vision from 1813 to 1848, especially highlighting the need to prevent crime rather than punish it, leading to the creation of the Metropolitan Police, by influence over Robert Peele. Owen in 1848 promoted the idea that the state should incrimentally invest in these communes, creating a mass confederation across the world over time. Josiah Warren later wrote "True Civilization" (1863) promoting the same model, including labour vouchers, which are also praised by Proudhon in 1847, and Marx promotes labour "certificates" in 'The Gotha Programme' (1875).

Saint-Simon can said to begin his literary considerations with "De la réorganisation de la société européenne" (1814) in which he attempts to define a perfect constitution of government. He concludes that it is the British tripartite structure of constitutional monarchy which is best. He sees that a supernational European Parliament should then rule, so as to defy wars. So, he begins by a plea for an EU. After this we have Simon's "Déclaration de principes, L’Industrie, vol. II (1817) in which he says that industrial society gives shape to a proper order of things, and further writes that since a government is supposedly for the sake of the governed, and they know what is best for them, then the workers ought to rule themselves (although, by a necessary division of labour, between direct producers, managers and scientists). He repeats this sentiment in his 8th "Letter to an American" (1817). IPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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The United States simply does not need to be involved in this never ending morally void vendetta over a tiny scrap of land with no significant nature resources and very little actual strategic value. Israel is not necessary for the United States to continue its commanding military presence in the region. Other nations provide better strategic locations and do so for considerably less money and trouble.

Americans have already given Israel more aid than South Vietnam and Afghanistan and there is no end in sight. It's time to walk away from this quagmire. The majority of American voters agree with this, and American foreign policy should represent the will of the people.

Military aid to Israel is illegal under an American law called the "Leahy Law" This law forbids military aid to nations that violate human rights. Israel imprisons hundreds of people with "Administrative Detention" which is jailing people for indeterminate period of time without a trial or even pressing charges. There are also serious allegations of torture and mistreatment of these people who are jailed unfairly.

In fact, any American aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington Amendment which forbids aid to any nation with a nuclear program that refuses inspections of its nuclear sites and does not sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty,

American miliary aid to Israel has also presented a security risk. Israel began selling military technology to Communist China in the late 1980's. The sales increased until Israel was second only to Russia in sales of Miliary Technology to China. These sales were instrumental in the modernization of China's military.

In Summary, American military aid to Israel is illegal, immoral, and unnecessary for the security of the United States.
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>>2744916
Nowhere in that document is it stated that a "zionist class" exists

>>2744916
>Our task is not to ignore the national-revolutionary and national-reformist elements but to go to them, to organise with them a united front
Opportunism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage. This I tell you brother: You can't have one without the other

>>2745048
>Opportunism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage
its true. But Socialism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage is equally true.

>>2745076
>Socialism and National Liberation go together like a horse and carriage is equally true.
Really? Kind of odd how National Liberation tends to use Socialism to get some speed and then dump it in all but name once the Nation is "Liberated". It's almost as if Nationalists prefer cozying up to the national bourgeoisie to implementing socialism.
I wonder why, what a mystery.

>>2745076
Delulu



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I think I've slept through this part when learning about communism and people's struggles against tyranny and imperialism; But why do we hate Ukraine again?
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>>2742418
a nazi who helped burn children alive is in your parliament

>>2739112
Russian and Ukrainian languages seperated long ago, but yes as far as I know they still had a common national identity until ww1. And yes, most of the southern regions they are currently fighting about is technically a settler colony. Thanks, Czars!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=926l0dYY_P8&pp=ygUfaGlzdG9yeSBvZiB0aGUgc2xhdmljIGxhbmd1YWdlcw%3D%3D

>>2742515
Give me the original, pls
I don't understand a word from that AI translation

>>2745122
>putin annexes parts of another country in which there's a significant russian population
>declares mobilization to hold the occupied territory
>russians flee russia and settle in neighboring countries, creating significant russian populations there
>the wheel of samsara turns
<and that's why the balts and finns got tense
translated it from slopese for you

>>2745139
cheers



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Whats your guy's opinion on Catholicism? I'm curious since my grandparents were devout catholics but we're registered communists in Allende era chile.
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>>2731498

Religious people should be welcomed in the party if they are not willing to compromise with the reactionary ideas and authorities of their religion. That is the rule.

Now, my personal idea about Catholicism is that I don't like it. It is a legalistic and monarchist derangement of Eastern Orthodoxy. I find EO to be the most interesting religion among the abrahamist ones.

>EO and Socialism are natural enemies

Stalin prove you wrong

>>2734413

/tradcath/

Church of the Holy Sepulchre edition


The tomb of Christ, located in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, will be closed this Easter sunday (both Catholic and Orthodox Easters) for the first time in 1600 years (it formally became a site c 400 CE).
Israeli forces are closing what is considered the holiest site in Christendom despite it remaining open during the he crusades and all of Israel's other wars.

The Church is notably under the "status quo," with Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Armenian Christians all having jurisdiction over it. The Church requires agreement from priests of all faiths before any construction or renovation can be done on the building, and as religions are famously agreeable to each other, it has fallen in a state of disrepair over the centuries.

Evangelicals see this as another sign that the End of Days is approaching.

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It’s dumb to advocate for state oppression of religion, while church and state should always be separate you shouldn’t try to ban religion in public settings, look at catholic Cuba where Castro was kind to his catholic citizens and encouraged them to use their religion’s teachings to have empathy and compassion for others versus catholic Poland were all of the anti-religious campaigns backfired and now most of Eastern Europe is more religious than Western Europe.

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religion is cringe, nothin personnel




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Before I start about whole topic of this post I would like to point out that this post mainly focus on Communists and not other tendencies among "radical leftism" because their justification may systematically vary and require different approach so I would like to keep it rather focused on concrete mindset in certain group of people.

Alot of people who become Communists today may have different reasons for their radical outlook of current state of things, but what fundamentally may cause for these people even to look critically at current state of things is definetly whole history of struggle between oppressed and oppressing and analysis itself on how even does this struggle effect people's state of being and how we as people can eventually build a movement which does opposse current state of things which as we know dynamically change in this whole history of struggle in name of class intrests.

But how does it even relate to Veganism?

Honestly it does very much relate in contemporary developed states because we live in very unique times where we as people (oppossed to third world countries) can consciously decide between consuming products which are result of animal exploitation and which aren't, but as we know Communism doesn't come from moralist standpoint as I pointed it out in first part of the post, but this fact isn't even about morality (or ethics) itself but it's about our reasoning in first place, we take certain analysis as something true and based on certain methodology we come to conclusion that class dominance (oppression) is something which can and even should be overcome in this whole history of struggle dynamic, but we can argue that slave fighting against laws which impose slavery on them is in their intrest, and we can go even further in Communist analysis that certain classes may share certain intrests in this whole history as for example early bourgeoisie fought against slavery because it was in their intrest, even tho they didn't share their status and conditions in state of things they found theirself.

Modern unconscious proletarians itself doesn't care about things like overthrowing or critiquing current state of things because they mostly lack any class consciousness, but proletarians who are class conscious (communists) Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2744706
Who are you quoting?

>>2744675
You won't live to see communism either. It's fine caring only about yourself, but you shouldn't really be a communist if so because if you are going to be part of the vanguard you are going to have to be mostly selfless.

Lab grown meat will become a viable technology with just a little more investment; so I would prefer that we pursue that while phasing out animal agriculture.

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Regardless of mode of production, humanity in general is about to go vegan since economical, high scale precision fermentation is around the corner. I would expect a communist world to roll this technology out even faster as there wouldn't be opposition from the cattle industry and so on. Same deal with renewables (and storage), these are technologies that objectively beat any alternative once mature.

I don’t eat meat because I feel empathy for other mammals, I believe their brains are similar to ours and that they experience suffering in a way similar to ours. I don’t care about birds and fish, but I don’t eat them either. I don’t think being vegan would improve the quality of life for animals on farms.



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Anyone got any good books on the Cuban Revolution. I'm interested in the period after the Cuban Missile Crisis as that's when my knowledge of the country ends. =



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