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Why did european socialists surrender their nationalist credentials to a bunch of we wuzing porno addict larpers post 1989?
>In the 40 years of People's Poland, we became an industrialised, urbanised, maritime country. The western and northern lands were reclaimed and developed. Revolutionary reforms and socialist transformations freed society from social injustice, unemployment and illiteracy."
>On 29 July Stalin asked Bolesław Bierut, the head of the Soviet-aligned Polish government, to accept in consideration of the large American concessions. The Polish delegation decided to accept a boundary of the administration zone at "somewhere between the western Neisse and the Kwisa". Later that day the Poles changed their mind: "Bierut, accompanied by Rola-Zymierski, returned to Stalin and argued against any compromise with the Americans. Stalin told his Polish protégés that he would defend their position at the conference."

Because the USSR is no more and you live in the Epstein Cinematic Universe. Things will only get worse. Stay vigilant lads.

>>2688959
because everywhere in the world there are a bunch of yesmen that are perfectly fine living under a slave state,a socialist republic,a bourgeois dictatorship,as long as they can still get lobster from time to time and keep their job.

and they're very good at pretending to be ideologically driven,while actually not giving a single shit,they will obey you until you get invaded,and then they will do a 360 and be collaborators,and you might think "well those guys are worthless" except they're very comfortable for a ruler to have,because unlike someone that actually has passion and interest,they're never going to disagree and challenge you,and you probably killed half of those while the rats gladly take their place

>>2688959
socialist movement in poland specifically never had any nationalist credentials to start with
before war it was a political platform for jewish immigrants from russian empire exclusively, centered around bund
during the war it got thoroughly purged and revitalized with new nkvd approved new blood, mostly jewish immigrants from the soviets
and after thawing supposed nationalist credentials were invalidated by association with soviets via warsaw pact
up to the 60s poles had barely any input into politics in (nominally) their own country
in the 60s gomulka who was a genuine nationalist got outsted for getting too chummy with chinese
in the 70s gierek who tried to create a genuinely polish socialism got outsted for getting too chummy with the free world
in the 80s poland ended up with jaruzel who was no less of an ussr puppet than bierut
and after '89 socialist movement in poland went back to being exclusively a platform for jewish diaspora




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spaceflight doesn't seem very popular among leftists recently. what does /leftypol/ think about it? are the moon and mars just playthings for billionaires? will china do anything differently? is socialist thought relevant to future lives beyond earth or is it all just a scifi obsession?
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>>2683320
Yes it is, see the inconsistencies, the flag of China's deformed stars and lacking.

>>2683320
Chuds and other reactionaries love AI.

>>2649084
The western "left" has a poor class foundation similar to the Mensheviks. University professors, intellectuals, petty bourgeois like artists etc. They see no future for their own pathetic small-scale production way of life and so they seek to deny future to everyone. Hence their obsession with degrowth that was created by eugenicist bourgeois and absolute lack of solutions. The best they can do is gesture in Marx's direction but never ever in the direction of historical and current communist practice.

>>2683320
Fuck petite bougie artisans.
>>2683353
AI tech is the most socialist innovation in a century.




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>"Soviet Union would achieve the full communism in 1980!"

Was Khruschev delusional, or was he a liar who knew he wouldn't have to answer for his words in 1980 due to being dead from old age?
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>>2679928
>His biggest mistake was de-stalinization imo.
I can't blame him for it

>>2680510
You're right. I probably recall it wrong.

>>2680550
From Felix Chuev's biography of V. Molotov:

>I talked with Mao and then suggested to Stalin that he receive him. He was a clever man, a peasant leader, a kind of Chinese Pugachev. He was far from a Marxist, of course–he confessed to me that he had never read Marx’s Das Kapital. When I was in Mongolia talking with the Chinese ambassador–he was nice to me–I said, “You want to create a metals industry quickly, but the measures you have planned–backyard blast furnaces–are improbable and won’t work.” I criticized the Chinese, and our people reproved me later. But it was such obvious stupidity!…Backyard blast furnaces to produce worthless metals–nonsense.”


<Felix Chuev, “Molotov Remembers: Inside Kremlin Politics” p. 81.


Chinese Communists in general seemingly were uneducated in Marxism & contemporary philosophies. I think Mao wouldn't have passed the Das Kapital test in the CPSU :'>

>>2680545
>killing Soviet Epstein bad




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Reading Lenin's works in order is one of the most depressing things. By 1922 he basically admitted that the Soviet Union's state apparatus is a "bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch" and he previously described it as a state taken away (not smashed) from tsarism and "slightly anointed with Soviet oil."

<It is said that a united apparatus was needed. Where did that assurance come from? Did it not come from that same Russian apparatus which, as I pointed out in one of the preceding sections of my diary, we took over from tsarism and slightly anointed with Soviet oil?

<There is no doubt that that measure should have been delayed somewhat until we could say that we vouched for our apparatus as our own. But now, we must, in all conscience, admit the contrary; the apparatus we call ours is, in fact, still quite alien to us; it is a bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch and there has been no possibility of getting rid of it in the course of the past five years without the help of other countries and because we have been "busy" most of the time with military engagements and the fight against famine.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm
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>>2673484
>It must be recalled today that this passage is based on a misunderstanding. At that time – thanks to the Bonapartist and liberal falsifiers of history – it was considered as established that the French centralised machine of administration had been introduced by the Great Revolution and in particular that it had been used by the Convention as an indispensable and decisive weapon for defeating the royalist and federalist reaction and the external enemy. It is now, however, a well-known fact that throughout the revolution up to the eighteenth Brumaire c the whole administration of the départements, arrondissements and communes consisted of authorities elected by, the respective constituents themselves, and that these authorities acted with complete freedom within the general state laws; that precisely this provincial and local self-government, similar to the American, became the most powerful lever of the revolution and indeed to such an extent that Napoleon, immediately after his coup d’état of the eighteenth Brumaire, hastened to replace it by the still existing administration by prefects, which, therefore, was a pure instrument of reaction from the beginning. But no more than local and provincial self-government is in contradiction to political, national centralisation, is it necessarily bound up with that narrow-minded cantonal or communal self-seeking which strikes us as so repulsive in Switzerland, and which all the South German federal republicans wanted to make the rule in Germany in 1849.
<– Note by Engels to the 1885 edition.

>"Well, we have lived through a year, the state is in our hands, but has it operated the New Economic Policy in the way we wanted in the past year? No. But we refuse to admit that it did not operate in the way we wanted. How did it operate? The machine refused to obey the hand that guided it. It was like a car that was going not in the direction the driver desired but in the direction someone else desired; as if it were being driven by some mysterious, lawless hand, God knows whose, perhaps of a profiteer, or of a private capitalist, or of both. Be that as it may, the car is not going quite in the direction the man at the wheel imagines, and often it goes in an altogether different direction."
<V. I. Lenin, Eleventh Congress of the Russian Communist Party

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>>2673508
Skill issue

>>2673513
Unlike Deng, Lenin wasn't a liberal. So the triumph of liberalism wasn't what he was going for :\

>>2672258
True and real



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This site is full of Tankies.

remember Stalin killed all the bolchevique leaders that were key to the revolution and photoshopped pictures to remove them.

Lets have a place for serious marxists to talk.
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>>2671660
photoshop wasnt around then i think

Every time an online-left+M-L pretends that the PRC has some >moral right to invade the ROC because of the traditions of dead generations, I laugh aloud. "this land was promised to us 70 years ago"
Taiwan is a strategically useful island. Don't pretend there's some righteous justification, or that you need a righteous justification, beyond "I think this Communist Party is progressive and the ROC is aligned with a capitalist imperial power. I believe invasion is a step forward on the path to a communist society."

>>2671670
This. OP is a fag.

>>2672283
Yum pankoek.
>omg two communists in a vanguard party advocated for a vanguard party
o rly?

The difference has serious broader implications. Look at the PRC. AFAIK most schools of Trotskyism interpret the PRC as a failed revolution which will not be able to establish socialism. Obviously this theory will change how adherents interact with China and issues facing it - while an M-L is more likely to see the PRC as a communist project and support the state less critically.
This doesn't inherently make a Trotskyist in opposition to everything the PRC does; for a similar case, my org did not take a pro-Ukraine stance in the ongoing inter-imperialist proxy war.

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are glowies even trying any more?

>>2671861
What does this mean though?



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The USA is entering similar conditions to those seen from 1968–1972. These include imperial overreach, the normalization of acts of terror domestically, general disdain for the aging ruling class, stagnating wages, and open talk of civil war.
The main difference between the two periods is this: Gen Z has far more worse material conditions than the Boomers ever did, but at the same time far fewer direct casualties from proxy conflicts. American People aren’t dying in Venezuela, and probably won't unless the rest of the Manduro's party mobilizes the country.
Trump knows that if there is ever a draft, or if US troops start dying in large numbers, that would be the final breaking point. This is why he carried out the swift, public kidnapping of Maduro.
He understands that the US is in a crisis of capitalism, and as a result he is using, and has been using foreign threats (including the tariffs ofc), as an outlet for the interal crisis.

He is deverting internal class conflict within the US, outward onto the rest of the globe.

The main question that should be asked is this; since there is not a general organization of labor like the boomers had, will this cause a rise into smaller, but much more revolutionary organizations?
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>>2626379
Trump doesn’t know that though. He honestly is that stupid.

>>2626889
That's why I don't blame dictators for supporting him, he's senile and easy to manipulate.

>>2626379
give it a few more years and we'll be entering into pre-new deal guilded age-like conditions due to AI destroying the white collar middle class. I keep saying that communists just need to wait until AI adoption in firms speeds up and for boomers to completely die off and we're basically right back in the 1920s. All the benefactors of the new deal will be dead leaving nothing behind, and AI will take cushy white collar jobs and make everyone but a select few low skill wagies

>>2626379
Zero class consciousness in USA. Only thing you will get is more liberalism or fascism.

>>2626379
Yes it will



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>the rightoids are calling for an increase in violence
>the liberals are calling for more peace, civility, trust in institutions and VOOOting
>nihilists suddenly show up to tell everyone that everything is doomed, nothing is happening and nothing can be done

If all 3 previous conditions are met then there's a 100% chance that things are indeed happening and its now you duty as a communist to take advantage of the momentum in any way you can. Thanks for reading.
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>>2667382
Mods aren’t automatically right just because they say so, are CEOs and cops proletarian?

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>>2667382
this retarded rule is just an overcorrection from when hazoids were spamming this hole and those larpers havent been relevant for months now

>>2667385
amerilards still doing the "we are the 99%!" bullshit in 20 fucking 26 apparently lmao

>>2667385
CEOs is a job not a class. COP is a job not a class.

>>2667323
Yes they are



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The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty. The body was too short or empty.

>>2673198
Read books they said

>>2673221
Read they said



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(a) Anarchism has brought nothing but general phrases against exploitation. These phrases have been current for more than 2000 years. The main problems with anarchism are:

(i) an inadequate understanding of the causes of exploitation, namely the understanding of private property as the basis of commodity production
(ii) a lack of understanding of the laws of development of class society, especially capitalist society, leading to socialism, namely the role of mass-organized industry and production under capitalism
(iii) an insufficient understanding of the class struggle as the basis of the movement of society
(iv) the denial of politics in bourgeois society, namely the subordination of the working class to bourgeois politics under the guise of a denial of politics.
(v) misunderstanding of the role of organization and revolutionary education

(b) Individualism is the foundation of the entire anarchist worldview, namely:

(i) protection of small property and small economy on land - especially small agriculture
(ii) denial of the unifying and organizing power of revolutionary organization
(iii) denial of democratic centralism and majoritarian-Bolshevism.

(c) Anarchism is bourgeois individualism in reverse. Anarchism is the product of the despair of the unbalanced intellectual or vagabond, not the proletarian. The anarchist tactic of refusing political struggle separates proletarians from world-changing historic praxis and turns them into passive participants in bourgeois politics.
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>>2680029
None of the images you posted contain any anarchists and you just word for word quoted something Lenin wrote a long time ago very little of it is correct.
Learn to think for yourself, retard.

>>2680373
Wrong. Lenin wrote that. Lenin unify all worker

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Anarchism is when I liberate my desire for a few years homeless before going to working at my dads hedge fund

>>2680656
American propaganda tricked the world into believing punk liberal lifestylism has anything to do with anarchism. They commodified the word into the ugliest faggiest aesthetic imagineable and made morons voluntarily want it.

>>2680070
It is now up



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Intellectual production is the media, education, art, etc, that is created in a society. Since intellectual production is a direct extension of material production and because we are in the capitalist mode of production, the bourgeoisie heavily influnces and almost entirely controls intellectual production.

I feel like the internet has changed this although, since everyone has a voice, from the capitalists to us; as a result, I don't know if this definition of intellectual production by Marx still fully applies, idk.

The problem is capitalists control the internet and can shut down all the “organic” content they don’t like and boost content that aligns with their own interests.

>>2638112
This, the web domain holders don't have complete control over their domains, the IPs have to be negotiated away.

>i cant think for myself
lol

>>2638109
It truly has
>>2638112
Capitalists are traditionally slow and clumsy when they try that though.



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