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We can't just demand the number one now! We need incremental progress first! And look, it's close to the number one than any previous time in history! We're getting there soon!
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>>2697583
you hear what op said far more often from commonplace liberals but its pretty funny how disconnected from reality you are that your first thought is leftypol beefs

>>2697588
but arent dengoids and MLoids kind of libbed out too? whats the difference?

>>2697430
>Seems like he was wrong then.
This. So much this

>>2697252
>>2697272
>>2697274

let's read them:


>To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.


<Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890


>Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.


<Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847


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>>2698192
>>2697252
You are forgetting that it is mandatory to build forces within a working-class party independent of the bourgeoisie, and the reforms must be radical to intensify the class struggle and not to create complacency. This means that all pensions must be removed from the private sector to be under the control of the workers, outside of profit, as a public right; all costs must be transferred to the capitalists; and any indirect tax on workers' consumption must be abolished.

First, I will state the Marxist position on how to act in an election in bourgeois democracy:

<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.

<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2689262
I also got gemini pro and it told me fir demand forecasting the best method is called gradient boosted trees. Theres also sentiment analysis with ai to know what people want(like an ai that crawls for news) however in my opinion that part could be done via referendum.

>>2689268
"Sentiment analysis" is such an over-the-top name for the concept. Really old idea.

You put labels on words like "positive emotion" and "negative emotion" (or whatever sentiment categories you come up with) and then the "analyzing" part is you run texts through a computer to count the occurrences.

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>>2689268
it just gave me some code for potatoe demand forecast
#install these
#pip install xgboost pandas numpy scikit-learn

import pandas as pd
import numpy as np
import xgboost as xgb
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
from sklearn.metrics import mean_squared_error
import warnings

# Suppress warnings for cleaner output
warnings.filterwarnings('ignore')

# ==========================================
# 1. THE SIMULATION (The Potato Market)
# ==========================================
def generate_potato_data(days=730):
    """
    Simulates 2 years of daily potato demand.
    Unlike electricity (hourly), food is daily/weekly.
    Factors:
    - Price Elasticity (Price goes up, demand goes down)
    - Weekly Cycle (People buy groceries on weekends)
    - Seasonal/Holiday Spikes (Thanksgiving, Christmas)
    """
    np.random.seed(42)
    dates = pd.date_range(start='2023-01-01', periods=days, freq='D')
    n = len(dates)

    # Factor A: Market Price (Fluctuates randomly)
    # Simulating a price between $0.50 and $1.50 per kg
    price = 1.0 + np.random.normal(0, 0.1, n).cumsum() * 0.05
    price = np.clip(price, 0.5, 2.0)

    # Factor B: Seasonality (Potatoes are winter food)
    # Cosine wave: High in winter, Low in summer
    seasonality = 1000 * np.cos(np.linspace(0, 2 * 2 * np.pi, n))

    # Factor C: The "Weekend Grocery Run"
    # Demand spikes on Saturday (5) and Sunday (6)
    day_of_week = dates.dayofweek
    weekend_bump = np.where(day_of_week >= 5, 2000, 0)

    # Factor D: The "Holiday Spike" (Thanksgiving/Christmas)
    # Nov (11) and Dec (12) get a massive boost
    month = dates.month
    holiday_bump = np.where((month == 11) | (month == 12), 3000, 0)

    # TOTAL DEMAND CALCULATION
    # Base Demand (10,000 kg) - Price Sensitivity + Seasons + Weekends + Holidays + Noise
    demand = (
        10000
        - (price * 2000)             # Price Elasticity (High price = Low demand)
        + seasonality
        + weekend_bump
        + holiday_bump
        + np.random.normal(0, 500, n) # Random noise
    )

    df = pd.DataFrame({
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>>2689809
looks kind of useless since you already know what the underlying behavior is. a sinusodial model would be enough

Somebody asked on 4chan the other day whether communist could prove they could do superior planning by proving they could complete a public project on time.
That got me wondering. There is talk about how cybernetic planning could forecast demand. However there is no talk about public projects.
How could the state forecast sonething like how long itd take the chipfab being built in the us for example?



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If i were in the us and broke id go to the local communist chapter and just get a red card. Fuck that shit.
>but idk what to do
Just sit down a listen you dont even have to think.

>if i were to lose my petit bourgeois position and join the proletariat id go to the most advanced section of the proletariat
ok duhhhhhhhh??



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>gives Israel all of Syria's positions in case Assad gets toppled
>lifts its airspace for Israeli air force in Syria
>tries to use Iran situation to achieve its own ends
>distances itself from Hamas after Oct. 7th
>supported the war on terror
This is why I'm not rootin for Putin.
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>>2698783
even if palestinians gave half their country away voluntarily it would have changed nothing, things would have played out the same way:
1. occupation of negev mirrors the way jews were settled in europe (pale of settlement) by russian empire with europeans being resettled to far east (gaza strip in palestinian case) and jews were settled into their homes
it is not a new experience, it's already an established pattern
2. with the leverage the jews have on the world hegemon (actually both of them in case the other one won the cold war) they would have found an excuse their invasive actions in the levant either way

the only way to prevent zionist wars was to settle jews on an island somewhere remote like madagascar
poles are proven right yet again

>>2699079
Have pity on native Madagascar people.

>>2699079
Indians love Israelis. Israel should have been located in India.



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Whats the material condition that Japan is the biggest cucks in planet?

>sucks of USA despite nuking them twice

>let the US destroy their golden age economic boob
>has highest Netorare porn/hentai fetish
>made a garbage paypig Rent a Girlfriend anime 5 seasons

Theres no nation bigger cucks than them
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japan is fine with being buckbroken as long as it's not china doing it, the current situation in japon makes sense when you understand this.

racism, fascism and nationalism will do that shit to you, you will be so focused in spiting the blood enemy that you forget to take care of your own people, just retarded really, evil and retarded.

According to Dugin, the Japanese culture is about Samurai loyalty. As in, the USA is their lord and their national values dictate they must have loyalty to their lord even until the bitter end.

They love NTR.
What happened in MDD? I only watched the first season

>>2699399
>they must have loyalty … until the … end.




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Belarus, Vietnam, Uzbekistan, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Indonesia…
WTF?
LOL?
Explanation?
This looks incredibly random. Why did these join the Trump union? How do you explain the "AES" Vietnam being in the Trump union? Or the China-influenced Mongolia? Or Russia-influenced central asian countries? What gives?
Let me guess, you're all going to say its 5D chess.
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The Board of Peace is literally full of Trumpist™ schizos and only 1 sane country -

Shqiperise. Or Albania to the regular normie

Trump truly is a fucking narcissist who wants everything the way he wants. I wanted communism to return to Bulgaria but we can't get everything ffs just go eat the bugs

>>2699062
I don't think any of those countries are complicit in this plan anyways. More like some Israeli official looked at a list of "Muslim" countries and selected the ones that he thought were the most pro-Western.

Why did the viets go for it?
Especially if they pad?

>>2699235
Nobody paid yet and all were invited, afaik. Unless this idiocy proves to be useful in one way or another none of the Premium™ members are going to pay the fee next year and it will just be forgotten with the end of Trump's presidency.

As for Vietnam, burgers have been trying hard to drive a wedge between them and China for decades now with no real effects.



 

for socialism to have any future at all, America has to be the site of the next revolution, it can't be the third world or anywhere else. The post war 20th century taught us that every third world revolution will just get immediately crushed by US imperialism and the last revolutionary remnants in cuba and venzuela are being suffocated. Doomers and third-worldists have no answer for this

>but american workers are reactionary!!!

not true at all really, your average american prole are gen z and millenial service workers who hate rich people. If Somehow the bolsheviks were able to convince highly religious and reactionary russian workers to support them then american workers will be easy.
>but american workers are bought off!!!
American cost of living makes any salary premium pointless. neither party has a solution and americans are increasingly dissilisioned with both parties.
>White people are too racist for revolution!!
White workers in minneapolis are literally fighting and getting shot in the streets for mexican immigrant workers. Additionally patriotism is at all time lows, and especially for gen Z, meanwhile in pre-2008 times patriotism was basically universal and bipartisan
>But the state is too strong!
in 2020 protesters literally forced trump to retreat to the whitehouse bunker and most police and national guard forces pulled out or were forced to stand down. Additionally the rank and file of the US military is disproportionately minority and younger and not heavily invested in US empire and is just there to sit on base all day and get paid a shitty paycheck, meanwhile their superior officers are mostly older and white and getting payed way more breeding resentment.
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>>2699006

it does seem like if the power of the american government transformed to socialism it would be a major boost to international socialism……?

>>2699011
exactly, imagine all of the wealth of the american bourgoeisie seized and nationalized by the workers, imagine how powerful the american workers state would be. and with american capital out of the picture, bourgeoise governments around the world would fall like dominoes

Its not impossible the illusion the us state has a deep security spparatus is intertia from back when it could afford it. Reality will set in in the near future the us is broke and cant afford to protect itself snd then itll be disorganized chaos from inside the boarder and across it.

>>2699066
It's the workers that are "broke", the US is far from being broke.

>>2699071
Its debt is now unpayable. Tge state is cutting military benefits and relying on volunteers for ice. It doesnt matter how wealthy the upper 20% are they wont pay for it.



 

do you have the courage to not conflate individualism and collectivism with loose and tight culture? many would-be communards have tried and failed.

Pic unrelated
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>>2689873
>Great Man complex
Never once mentioned a great man and have only talked about streamlining the textile and fashion industries which you seem incapable of understanding.
>drab utilitarian vision of "socialism".
bro you actually admitted to thinking people wearing trash is good. I understand if people in poverty are forced to wear trash and try to make the best out of a bad situation. But to praise this situation as ideal and actively fight against people who want to give everyone quality clothes, basic shelter and nutritional food is insane. Maybe you should reassess your priorities.

Individualism isn't real, even capitalism is collectivist in operation. But i wouldn't call myself couragous for pointing that out, that'd be strange.

>>2689119
it does empirically not do this

>>2689150
posting theory that 100% validates my position. learn to read.

>>2687990
Even the sistah there looks white



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We have to rig Hungary's election. We have to finance organizations that will rig Hungary's election and ensure a victory for anti-imperialist comrade Orbán.

<Polls show that there's a good Chance Orbán will lose the next election. Chances of this tard attacking Ukraine to reclaim Hungarian inhabited areas and to postpone an electoral defeat just got a bit higher.


We have to ensure Orban wins, lets fund some organization that rigs the election or donate to the party of FIDESZ.
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>>2698598
Not happening, MLs took the route they did and now you have to settle for the lesser evil leftovers
this is the inevitable result of ML

>>2698647
you mean realpolitik where there are always lesser and greater evils because universe doesn't care about your feelings or your ideological ideals?

Hungary is a completely irrelevant country without natural resources or a large population in an irrelevant region without a large population or natural resources? Why should anyone living outside of there care about its politics?

>>2698828
because it's a veto power within the single biggest economical market on the planet.

>>2698886
It’s not a province of China or a BRICS member (yet)



 

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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Convenient distraction Edition


💀List of Deaths in ICE Detention💀
https://www.aila.org/infonet/deaths-at-adult-detention-centers

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
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>>2698826
>They couldn't just "rise up" and overthrow their oppressors when they were kidnapped, sent across the ocean, and brought to a foreign land where they have no rights, no ability to organize, and no political allies
Entire generations of slaves were born and raised in America, and although they had no rights they did have the ability to organize. As you said they organized uprisings as well as other forms of resistance like the Underground Railroad. They also did this with the assistance of abolitionists, so they did have political allies.
>If you fail to overthrow the bourgeois you'll just be put back to work.
Or you end up mysteriously dead like the Ferguson organizers, the cops drop a bomb on your house like the MOVE bombing, or kick in your door at night and murder you like Fred Hampton. Even still, there are workers uprisings in America, it's just that these fail because like the slave uprisings they lack the resources and degree of participation to be successful. If slaves get credit for their failed uprisings then we should also credit failed worker's uprisings like Occupy, the George Floyd riots, etc.
>You also have infinite resources to organize and build solutions
Bro what do you mean infinite resources? Do American proles have the same funding and manpower as the bourgeoisie? Do they have the media on their side? Come on. Organizing is hard because of the complete lack of resources.
>But the American proles are still too afraid to do anything that might disrupt their lifestyle
If by "disrupt their lifestyle" you mean ending up dead, in jail, or destitute then yes.

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>>2698822
Malcolm X was kind of calling house slaves treatlerites, and Nat Turner was a house slave, along with a lot of the Haitian Revolution’s leaders iirc. Treatlerite class traitors may or may not be a historic force, only an undeniable food and energy crisis in the imperial core will show it.

>>2698834
(new thread)

>>2698829
If they aren't feds, the calls for violence usually come from outside the US from those with no understanding of geographical or cultural differences outside the theoretical realm. And the loudest calls for violence only come from those who won't suffer the consequences of it.



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