/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2616244
>Eh, I think the mistake a lot of communists make is assuming class consciousness already exists or is like the default, and if that's the case then why isn't the socialism happening? So they think, well, it must be because THEY are trying to stop it because "they," like you, also anticipate the proletariat awakening (obvious!) and overthrowing them (inevitable / two weeks / etc.).
whether a lot, or some, or even most communists believe that class consciousness is obvious i cannot speak for, but personally i have no illusion that class consciousness is at all something obvious. in the recent Reitter translation of Capital (that i have been enjoying immensely), the foreward states that one of capitalism's peculiarities is its opaqueness on its concrete presentation, i.e. the way you can analyze a factory or a corporation and be unaware of capitalism's intricacies and working components, contrasted with its clarity only through abstract theoretical analysis. you must study capitalism from a distance to understand how it really works because obscuring and camouflaging the appearance of things is core to how capital operates. lenin was correct in his conclusion that the proletariat must become organized and led to be able to see the chains on their wrists, otherwise they live believing that they are free, that those chains simply do not exist or that they wear them through their own free will, or that this is god's will, or nature's will, etc. this is the duty of the vanguard.


>But the most sobering possibility is that they have no reason to think that. The working class actually does not by default think of itself as a class, and your ideas are simply not shared by the vast majority of people in most developed capitalist countries in the first place.
i agree
No one actually needs to "divide the working class" either if the existing structure that organizes society already does that.
here i disagree. although an ignorant populace is ideal, there still has to be a plan b, plan c, etc. and an eventual panic button. it doesn't hurt to guarantee success for the ruling class, and it doesn't cost them much either.

It's a kind of post-hoc way of thinking, like [things happened this way] so therefore [it must have been intended this way]. It's in the way youPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Idk why so many like OP whines about this in the Left, when the wilful acceptance and cheap grace of the Right has attracted a lot of grifters and morons on their side. So much so that they cannot even carry out their political projects properly at all.

For whatever the problems of the Left, over-fixating on its flaws misses the real reason of its status in the West, which is the class cuckery of its proletariat. You people talk like an abused spouse, thinking that if only they will do things properly, their abuser would love them for who they are.

>>2615866
Terminally online drivel.

I'll give you the real reason: because in recent decades left wing ideologies have become high-status and right wing ideologies are low-status.
>but rightists tend to be rich and powerful!!
This is true, but they're also low-status. Look at Elon Musk, he's a complete fucking loser despite having more money than god and more real power than every leftist outside China. The reason he's welcomed by the right is because the right cannot be choosy. The left can be: if you are a loser, if you are deeply uncool, nobody really wants you to be on the left.
There is, after all, a reason that cool celebrities endorse the Democrats (or refuse to endorse anyone because the Democrats are too right-wing, very cool move) while Republicans get daytime TV stars, used car dealers, and antivax schizos.

The one exception is that if you're uncool in ways that cool people can play off, then you're welcome. This is because your uncoolness won't wipe off on cool people, but it will wipe off on uncool people. A cool left-wing communist suffers no reputational harm when he says he'd rather talk to a furry diaper fetishist than a /pol/tard, while a /pol/ user simply becomes more pathetic when you find out he's got a furry diaper fetish. A cool left-wing person only becomes cooler when they pretend to have read Settlers, while most right-wingers capable of stringing two sentences together either have to pretend to be much cleverer than they are (Land, Moldbug, etc) or quickly drift over to becoming Neoliberals (Richard Hanania, etc.)
The dynamic here is much the same as with fashion: very wealthy people can dress like shit if they want to because you aren't going to confuse them for poor people, middle income people have to be more careful with their appearance because they could be seen below their station, and poor people don't much choice.

>>2616514
Eh, a lot of the right are grifters.

>>2616692
>>2616694
i wonder if he said anything else

>>2616690
wrong. mao is based and on contradiction is a pillar of marxist thought

>>2616698
>muh opportunism
It is the default thing in this time. So the context of the quote is not really necessary. You can call all current wars an interimperialist conflict. It is that simple

>>2616679
yeah anticolonialism is just reverse imperialism. national liberation is exactly what lenin talked about when he said decision of the world. its just like reverse racism and white genocide

>>2615251
This guy reads snippets of marxist literature for the sole purpose of arguing on leftypol.

>>2610135
The reason for this is that the Israelis and the Turks worked together to crush Arab Nationalism and replace it with sectarian politics, especially sunni fundamentalism. All of those sunni fundamentalists are the allies of the turks in their own imperialist projects in the Balkans, Caucasus and the Levant. They are opressing the non sunniarabs, Greek Orthodox, Kurds, Druze ect. The Turks and the Jews destroyed Arab Nationalism, and now the situation has changed. If you are only Antizionist, without also not being against the Turkish state, which illegaly occupies the Northen part of Cyprus for 50 years, has commited multiple genocides, opresses the non sunni turkish people in each territory and supports the Zionist backed Azeris Genocide in Armenia and The Judeocapitalists of NATO you are wrong

>>2610164
The Megali Idea was a Decolonization Project you dipshit. Imagine calling yourself an antiimperialist and allying with The Genocidal Empire instead of the stateless rebels, because the empire is brown and the rebels white. This is why the Left's Hypocricy is leading to people like me having the flag I have.

>>2610196

We don't hate Arabs. Greek Society an Nationalists supported Arab Nationalism in all political spectrum from Far Left to Far Right (pic related from a ProSaddam Golden Dawn March in 2003) even though it meant the arabazitation of the Greek Orthodox. We understood it as a secular Movement that would protect the Christians of the Region+their anti Turkish sentiment of Arab Nationalists was also in play. But the Idiotic sub 80 autism score Sunnis decided to play right down to the juju and roach game and are now all sunni extremists, killing non sunnis including greek orthodox and allying wit the turks against us. You shouldn't complain that you lost our alliance.

>>2615117
how many kurds have been disappeared or killed by turkey since its independence? does anyone know?

>What are your thoughts on Türkiye?
Turkey gave us the greatest Twitch streamer ever

>>2616155
>uploads a whole episode of King of the Hill
what is this? some sort of enlightened 5D chess piracy?

It's a co-op tho, therefor not petbooj.

Technological development is overdetermined by the relations of production, which is why we have appliances that stop working if you don't pay a subscription fee.

>>2615441
My point is that it goes both ways. It's true that technological development is determined by the relations of production. But the most efficient relations of production in a given place in a given period are determined by technological development. We don't have blacksmiths anymore because modern day industrial technology rendered them obsolete. And, again, if we want to dig deeper into the dialectic, it gets even more hairy.

historical materialism is completely bollocks

where my anti hismat bros at

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_09_21b.htm (answer to the second question)

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1962/appendix.htm (philosophical analysis)

>>2615474
The primary directionality of the determination is the relations of production dominating, however. A new technology that threatens the power of capital can be crushed, but you don't see it happening the other way around. Meanwhile, the technology as it develops is organized around production within that system, so the functions of the machines are limited to what the workers are supposed to be able to do. The restrictions of the system become physically embodied in the tools that are developed for it.

>>2615825
Nah. Why are you even here? Clearly a misanthrope you ae not a leftist/communist.

>>2615828
>Clearly a misanthrope you ae not a leftist/communist.
Strange

Then why do I see so many posts about how this or that person deserves to be shot or how this or that nation deserves to be nuked? That's surely out of philanthropy, too, right?

Or is this site just a decoy to uncover anticommunist misanthropes in your ranks, lol?

>>2613549
By fixing your mental issues before trying to fix the world.

>>2613549
Sell your mobile phone and get a job in a shit hole without access to a smartphone like Laos

OP is a fucking idiot who doesn't understand shit but that doesn't change the fact that an actual understanding of how the world works would probably lead to misanthropy for a lot of people

>>2607417

Interesting information regarding the PLA and their political strategy in Burma thus far.

Recently, the NUG (National Unity Government, the government that unites the PDF and various other groups) has moved towards implementing dual power and governance structures in its occupied territories. This is seen, as argued by Josh Sheehan, in the formation of the SPring Revolutionary Alliance:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02A6QiVR3t3yrGNUAwcFWhaSBjwETxxF7PnMv6mEi7gkeNZB4AkQ9ymwFD1t5vRrv2l&id=61584965737998

It appears the PLA is not part of the SRA. However, this is not because they were rejected by the NUG. I thought it would be likely the NUG would want to keep the PLA at an arm's length, despite their friendliness. However, in reality it appears that the PLA, while congraulating the formation of the SRA, personally argued it was a bad idea.

Here (https://myanmar-now.org/mm/news/70606/) the PLA states that currently the war is in the fighting stage, that revolutionaries are not secure enough in their occupation of territory to build parallel structures.

This squares with their approach to war, which has thus far stayed away from implementing Maoist policies.

>>2579282
What's the relation between Myanmarr rebels and DAANES? I seen some solidarity between in words early on and more recently I've noticed that their are many similarities on political policy, such as for example federalisation, dual leadership between male and female as well as female leadership quotas.

>>2615903

Absolutely no clue. PLA I don't think has ever released any statements on it. I intend on writing an interview with the PLA, so I might ask this question as well.

>>2615903 (me)
Forgot pic, sorry.
Def I have more bits and pieces about this at home, but nothing recent iirc.

Here's an interview with a foreign fighter who thought with
People's Defence Force Zoland and the CNDF. Thought some may find it interesting.
https://illwill.com/the-revolution-in-myanmar

>>2614641
there's a reason shit like this gets way less likes on tiktok mang

>>2610173
Nah, most Soyjaks are made by genuine chuds who genuinely believe in far-right bullshit. You're making them look like victims when they're genuinely violent and sadistic individuals.
>>2614496
We got the ball rolling with MAGAjaks and "Fell for it again" award, we shouldn't give it up so easily. Plus there's Clittycel which is even more insulting than the Chudjak was.

i was a self proclaimed soyteen for a bit before i found out they weren't joking about hating trans people, that was a deal breaker for me

>>2614496
It's a depressing double reversal. Very dialectic. First fashies copy commie culture (national """socialist"""), then desperate westoid tailists copy chud culture (hazoids)

tf is the sharty?

make a new thread uyghurs

>>2614845
Goalpost, moved

>>2614687
Christianity was fucking stupid, because even the earliest Church councils had to ban self-castration because Bible clearly states that worldly desires are evil while castration negatively impacted population statistics for feudal lords. Even so, Christians had this weird obseesion with masturbation, sex and purity with communal overwatch over what happened in people's bedrooms.

This has nothing to do with LGBT or whatever, it's about a Cult organization controlling sexual life of cultists

>A reason why the Christians were prosecuted was literally that they didn't jerk off to the literal God-Emperor of the Romans.

Nah, Christians were simply annoying as fuck, same as they are today. Romans tried to remove annoyance - same way Chinese and Japanese did, by the way. But unlike Romans, Asians have managed to prevent this disease from taking root and have maintained their relatively progressive religious customs over totalitarian (in)sect(oid) religion of Europeans

>>2614872
Are you one of the wiggas who genuinely thinks that pagans had queer shamans and druids?