/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2696705

What you don't get is that your materialism is narrow to the point of idealism. You wield 'material conditions' as incantation, applying it to 1917 Russia or 1949 China with genuine analytical rigor, then pretending that 2026 Minneapolis or São Paulo or Jakarta present the same exact conditions. Your method works for the easily defined moments of ancient history. Modern capitalism is not ancient history with better technology. It is a much deeper mode of social organization requiring different analytical tools. The same can be said about the repressive apparatus of the bourgeoisie imperialists.

Your materialism stops at the factory gate, or where the factory used to be. You see precarity as 'the reserve army of labor' rather than a transformed relationship to production; you see surveillance as 'the bourgeois state' of the old days rather than a qualitatively different form of social control; your observations are appropriate 1905 and increasingly useless for 2026. This is not because reality has betrayed materialism but because your materialism has become mechanical, applying repeated formulas rather than investigating actual developing conditions.

The distributed network is not 'idealism' or 'petit-bourgeois left deviation.' It is the organizational form that emerges from material conditions you refuse to analyze & acknowledge. Imperialism in it's modern form, the geographic dispersal of USA working-class communities through suburbanization and deindustrialization, the collapse of stable workplace identity, the sophistication of state surveillance and preventive counter-insurgency, the ideological fragmentation produced by race, cultural production and social media. These are not 'superstructural' distractions from the 'real' economic base. They are the transformed base itself, the actual conditions under which revolutionary organization must now occur. Your response is to wait for conditions to return to clarity of a time we are no longer in. This is not materialist analysis but historical nostalgia, the substitution of past conditions for present investigation and praxis. The 'anarcho-maoist' joke is precisely against this waiting, this preservation of organizational form for conditions that may never return. We organize now, under present conditions, with the tools that present conditions make available and viablPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2696301
>Polycentric Coordination
The idea that having top-down coordination means that all action must be initiated top-down is never true in practice, making it a misrepresentation of top-down management. I see the process of building a revolutionary organization as the process of moving from being able to produce local self-directed organizations to stitching together those organizations, first through federation and ultimately under a singular strategic command. Since strategy is a necessary aspect of war, having unified strategy must be necessary to winning revolutionary conflict. Socialists have never been averse to diversity of tactics, emulation, and polemics to iron out disagreements. These are all distributed and federative principles. But along with that, communists since Lenin have understood the need to simultaneously have unified action dictated by a leadership structure.

>Mass Line
Mass line is fundamentally authoritarian. It's a method of ensuring good-enough rule in lieu of democratic mechanisms. This is not a bad thing, I just wanted to point it out. Also your epistemology appears undialectical. There is no reason to say that lines of investigation should not be authoritatively resolved, unless you mean they should not be arbitrarily resolved by authorities. The goal of science is to grow the area of our knowledge that is considered resolved and undisputed. There's always an area which is still contested and an area which is resolved (though it can always be opened up for question again as new information comes in). This is basic dialectics, the identity of identity and non-identity. With science we have to respect genuine disputes and not arbitrarily consider them resolved, but the goal is always towards resolution. The word synthesis usually gets used to mean "eclectic hodgepodge", when as dialectical materialists we should understand that between two forces, one must win out. We shouldn't encourage the formation of a centrist middle ground between a right and a wrong understanding. That's not how science progresses.

>Prefigurative Infrastructure
These kinds of things don't have much to do with socialism in a modern society. If we gain state power, how will we progress to socialism? Will it be promoting communes andPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

you write a lot, can you do a QRD?

>>2697907

Sorry, i had to run it through my software to translate originally wrote in spanish and did not want to spend time shorten it. It is easier for me to first write in spanish and it would just been a lot.

>>The distributed vanguard is organizational form designed for persistence under advanced repression; polycentric coordination without centralized command, political wing separated from direct involvement in clandestine or militant network activity, base area infrastructure generating economic autonomy, security through compartmentalization and rotation. It emerges from material conditions spawned by sophisticated surveillance, territorial dispersal, complex preventive counter-insurgency webs / tech, all things that easily destroy hierarchical vanguard militancy.

>>Greece illustrates contemporary application. The 2008 uprising in response to police murder and subsequent years saw anarchist and marxist formations operating through distributed networks in multiple cities. Athens being the start, with Exarcheia as territorial base, solidarity structures for imprisoned militants, with federated coordination between varying groups and individuals, all autonomous from the control of the next, united on praxis and principle. The state could not decapitate because no head existed; could not map because topology shifted; could not infiltrate comprehensively because compartmentalization limited exposures impact.

>>Ex-IRA operatives supported Greek hunger strikes and movements precisely because they recognized shared organizational intelligence; cellular structure, sustained pressure, distributed capacity across ideological difference.
The IRA itself demonstrates both distributed vanguard success and limitations. This form enabled persistence through decades of material conditions under complex modernized British counter-insurgency.

>>The distributed vanguard operates as organizational implementation of principles analogous to Tor's technical architecture. Tor achieves anonymity through distributed routing with packets traverse multiple relays, each layer encrypted, no single node possessing complete circuit information. The distributed vanguard achieves security through organizational rouPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2698477

On the differences of distributed and decentralized, and how they can overlap.

>>The distributed vanguard incorporates both decentralized and distributed forms because these address different organizational problems and operate at different scales of coordination.

>>Decentralization refers to the autonomy of local nodes, chapters, cells, base areas capable of independent action without central authorization. This form addresses survival under repression with no single point of failure, no decapitation target, continued operation when through loss of nodes. Genuine decentralization requires material self-sufficiency and tactical independence that is built.

>>Distribution refers to the network topology connecting these nodes, the horizontal relationships, federated coordination, information and resource flows that enable collective action without direct command. This form addresses coordination without concentration, the capacity for strategic unity that pure decentralization cannot achieve.

>>Distribution enables scaling, mutual aid between nodes, and rapid transmission of tactics and intelligence.
The distinction matters because decentralization without distribution produces fragmentation - isolated nodes that cannot support each other, coordinate defense, or generalize local gains. When you see the rapid speed of deployment I talked about earlier, this is due to the distributed network behind the decentralized. Distribution without decentralization produces vulnerability, centralized network infrastructure that repression can target, formal coordination mechanisms that infiltration can map.

>>The distributed vanguard requires both for this reason, decentralized nodes with genuine autonomy, distributed connections enabling coordination and rapid sharing of information and resources. The OG Panthers had neither in practice, centralized command with nominal local presence. Contemporary movements like Minneapolis post-2020 demonstrate both, autonomous local formations with horizontal coordination through shared infrastructure and federated assemblies.

>>repression targets concentration, so decentraPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2698400
Nobody’s bombed anything in Italy since GLADIO ended

>>2698403
Somebody needs to kill these yogafarter spiritual epsteins

KILL THE YOGAFARTING CRYSTALSHITTING EPISTEINS
DEATH TO DAMANHUR

THEY RUN THEIR CULT TOWN ON COMPANY SCRIP
GET A FLAMETHROWER AND BURN ALL OF THESE FUCKERS
DO A WACO SIEGE 3000


A FUCKING INSURANCE BROKER FOUNDED CULT

Moved to >>>/siberia/760596.

>>2697662
combating fascism one choreography at a time.

>>2697525
wut da fuuuuuuuuuh

>>2697556
underpaid workers results in more profit. Technology and division of labor results in cheaper products by decreasing SNLT.

>>2697651
You are settler fascist if you dont want imperialist living standard to decrease. Lenin say this explicitly.

>>2697517
Because german people are fascist who are corrupted by yanqui tricknology. Nazi learn from amerika. Zionist learn from amerika. All who toil for amerika are scrubbing their brain of yanqui tricknology for denazification to complete

>>2675262
how about no also your (a) jewish (supremacist)

>>2696042
So an Israeli?

>>2675262
It is related though. Politics simply is interconnected like that. You can speak of certain topics in isolation, but it's incomplete without tieing things back to eachother.

>>2675262
Based Arab. These retards are beyond annoying.

>>2686845
>Transitions between modes of production are of an uncertain nature. They are not always brought about by revolution, reform, or planning, but sometimes by a combination of all 3, or by blind historical forces operating over several centuries.
Wrong. Transition between any mode of production is of certain nature deduced by science. World and its laws are knowable. The only uncertainty comes from bourgeois mind. You defy scientific laws of history.
>The transition from primitive communism to slavery, and the transition from slavery to serfdom were neither brought about through the planning of the ruling class, nor through revolution, but through unplanned historical changes over several centuries.
You are utterly Wrong. With the development of productive forces some surplus was available and possibility of some people expropriating the labor products of other people occurred. Violent slave rebellions dealt severe blows to the political power of the slave owners and hastened the collapse of slavery. While slavery disintegrated, feudal production relations gradually matured. Only slave and peasant class struggles, slave and peasant rebellions, and slave and peasant wars were real motive force of historical development. Newly emerging landlords used power of the laboring people to overthrow rule of slave owners and established government of landlords.
>The notion that modes of production always (rather than merely sometimes) transform through deliberate revolution is ahistorical projection of the bourgeois revolutions forward in history. What history shows is that modes of production do exist and do change, but whether they change through revolution, reform, or in a totally unplanned way over a long period of time, is up to local material conditions.
Wrong. All fallacious arguments that 'one mode of production can pass peacefully to another' championed by bourgeois historian are totally contrary to facts. These are 'theories' serve to preserve system of exploitation and forbid working people to rise up and rebel.

>>2694339
what i am describing is a division of labour. not all people can benefit from an academic education.
>>2694360
>scientific laws of history
😂😂 care to explain what these scientific laws are?
>Violent slave rebellions dealt severe blows to the political power of the slave owners and hastened the collapse of slavery. While slavery disintegrated, feudal production relations gradually matured
this is entirely ahistorical. slavery existed in england before the normans (450-1066), but afterwards (1066-1485), feudalism was imposed on the english by the ruling class, not out of class struggle, but out of class domination. in fact, the real class struggle of this time was the nobility versus the royalty, such as with the two "baron wars" stretching across the 13th century, from 1215 to 1270, which gave us legal revolutions such as the magna carta (1215), that entered into english mythology for centuries afterwards. this is where history happened. after this we get the "hundred years war" (1337-1453). in the middle period of this international elite conflict we also had the peasant rebellions of 1381. these peasants we can compare to the burghers more than the serfs, since part of the rebellion were various guilds that terrorised flemish competition in london (a move later continued by henry viii who expelled foreign business in england). after this we get the war of the roses (1455-87) which places the tudors on the throne, from whence we get capitalist conditions. henry vii and henry viii confiscate land in service of the landed gentry, who are by now, formally incorporated into the house of lords (included in the primary act of the magna carta), and by which the lords temporal become a majority following 1540. thus, the class war of the middle ages was not serfs vs lords, it was kings vs nobles, and after this it's lords vs peasants. after this, we get the ascendancy of the bourgeoisie in northern europe, leading to the revolutionary conditions of the 17th century, which sees england become a republic and finally a constitutional monarchy, which gives supremacy to the house of commons. in all these cases, it is the elites contending for power over the masses, not the masses risPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2694360
>>2695572
similarly, in rome, the struggle was not slaves versus masters, it was patricians versus plebs; the two stratum of civil society, such as in the reported "struggle of the orders" (500 BCE - 280 BCE). the only notable slave rebellion gave rise to the myth of spartacus (a rebellious gladiator) in the "third servile war" (73 BCE - 71BCE), but this was not a political battle, but rather a claim of personal freedom by exile.

>>2690668
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/07/28/why-no-roman-industrial-revolution/

Why no Roman industrial revolution?

In my last post I repeated Marx’s phrase the the hand mill gave you the feudal lord the steam mill the industrial capitalist. One reader objected that this overstated the role of technology and that steam power was already known to the Romans. I concede that Marx over simplified. There were thousands of water mills in England recorded in the Domesday book. So ownership of water mills was a key part of the power of the feudal lords. A better phrase would have been that the water mill brings you the feudal lord the steam mill the industrial capitalist. But to return to the original question.

The ancient Romans already had a working steam turbine in Hero’s aeolipile. Why were they not able to turn this to use in industry, pumping water or turning millstones?

Why no industrial revolution in antiquity?

There are well known arguments about the social relations of slavery impeding the development of labour saving technology, but is this enough of an explanation?

We know that the ancients harnessed the power of water for grinding corn and other industrial uses, so they were not completely indifferent to artificial sources of power.

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>>2695588
> this was not a political battle, but rather a claim of personal freedom by exile.
the third servile war was absolutely a political battle. deploying the military to crush a slave revolt and then crucify the survivors along the appian way is absolutely political

wtf is this shithole website and what happened to 420chan

“leftypol” I want to huff jenkem and shitpost after getting out of prison what the fuck gay reality is this fucking uyghurs

>>2697075
they put all the women they could find up front
two of them are fat

>>2697638
So black Irish is real Shaq O'Neil it all makes sense

Oh god I fucking Nucleo Nacional so fucking much
>>2697676
If they don't look like Spaniards to you then you haven't seen a lot of Spaniards

>>2697638
the vandals had been gone for two centuries before arabs got to spain

Petite bourgeois anarchist LARP

>>2696921
>>2696927
>>2696928
Samefagging glownonymous

>>2696930
>three posts in the same row making three different points and responding to different people are the same person
No fucking shit you massive retard. Did you start using imageboards yesterday? Lmfao.

>>2696813
>>2672700
What about something like myretrotvs but with socialist or socialist friendly media
https://www.myretrotvs.com/

>>2696927
>i love making up shit nobody said
two can play at that game

>>2697821
Technically speaking the balkanization began after the bourgeois February revolution, and was probably inevitable with or without revolution seeing how the likes of Austro-Hungary went. The bolsheviks did end up reversing it.

>>2697779
The export of commodities in general is not the cornerstone of imperialism, the export of capital is.

>>2697828
Remind me if any short-lived puppet regimes were formed on Soviet territory as a result of Brest-Litovsk

Yank scum deflecting as always

>>2697821
>he was trying to bring about proletarian revolution in russia
Which was the only means to saving Russia from forever being the sick man of Europe. Proletarian revolution freed Russia from the chains of the Romanovs and allowed it to undergo rapid development, both in economics and culture.
>which was not one nation, but several nations
Russia was the leading nation, I don't know where this meme came from to where people think otherwise.
>if he had failed, tsarist russian empire wouldn't have been balkanized
Tsarist Russia didn't even survive way before the Bolshevik uprising, and the Provisional Government was bursting at the seams. Ethnic separatism was flaring up everywhere and the Duma was of little real authority, only the Sovnarkom succeeded in bringing in the bulk of those separatist forces under the unitary state.

It's hard to answer. Younger generations are victims of a kind of epistemic terrorism or warfare that hasn't been studied or named adequately. Tech captial views them as resources to be exploited (real Epstein energy). Other than overthrowing the existing systems of power the only solution is good, attentive parenting, and we all know that won't apply to at least half of the people being born.

were gonna have global fascism within a generation anyway so who cares anymore

>>2697844
Then shouldn't the brainrot of gen alpha scare you even more, since these will be the people in control of fighting fascism?

>>2602627
We dont.

>>2697855
these are the people who will fast track fascism

Only anglo autism could turn something that was a curiosity for greeks and turks into the machine that started the industrial revolution.

>>2697257
Also I don't think the Eastern Mediterranean had any coal deposits

>>2697792
that's just an assertion with no evidence

>>2697801
read the article in its entirety, that assertion is the final sentence.