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This is a thread only for people who actually do IRL organizing to exchange tactics and ideas. Its time to stop whining about bullshit like Wiccans or shizo pedo rape cult conspiracies, and actually get some actual lessons out of each other, for fucks sake.

Explain your situation, ask a question on what you would like some advice on, and give insight into what you do right now and how successful you are.

Let me start off
>I am the chairman of a local chapter of a socialist nation wide youth org of a european country
>We have, on paper, 90+ youth members in our local chapter
>We have, on paper, 1000+ members nationally
>Recently formed out of a split, still very much in flux
>The real local cadre is around 10-15 people with varying levels of commitment, about 6 people at each weekly or so meeting
>The ideological and practical education of our cadre is low
>Following a broadly orthodox marxist line, as opposed to classical marxist leninist, or maoist, but also containing trotskyites and anarchists

Now the thing I would like your feedback on is explaining how you conduct meetings, how to educate cadre, how to retain cadre, how to ensure people show up, what communist youths are even supposed to do. So let me sketch out what we do now

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If you live in the imperialist core, and let's be honest if you're posting here you probably do, the chances of convincing the people around you to advocate against their own material interests in the short term for a benefit they likely will never live to see is unlikely. Just keep your head down and as the other anon mentioned respond when people ask the right questions. Focus your efforts on helping the people struggling in the third world and in the disadvantaged at home but hold no delusions about the workers aristocracy spontaneously developing class consciousness if you use the right key phrase.


>Material conditions
Only until this becomes true "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" we will be alienated from our fellow man. It is in all of our material interests to make this true.


>should it be done by a case by case basis
definitely. Some people who buy into liberal democracy might swayed by revealing the sham it is, environmentalists can easily be shown why the profit motive, free trade and liberal order is in direct contradiction with it, people from exploited periphery might be interested in imperialism mechanisms, science autists convinced by the practical economic science that is marxism, exploited blue collar workers can obviously see the benefits of syndicalism etc
just approach what interest and concern them from your marxist lense should be enough to have productive conversations. Dont even try to specifically "convert", open discussion with people you trust is the most sure way to have your opinions swayed.

>And when doing so who should you target,

the people you're close too, in contact often, have private conversations with


John the electrical engineer isn't going to be thrilled at the prospect of opening up his house to jamal and cletus while he has his unblemished status pickup truck appropriated to be used by someone who actually needs it.


There is already a organizing thread anon you should go there.

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What is the materialist explanation for the pursuit of "Status", clout, fame, etc.? It's not directly economic. It's often the case that the petit bourgeois for example, and rural landed gentry and other elites seethe that even though they are relatively wealthy and even dominate local politics they still don't have the cool or "cultured" factor. What makes the millionaire rancher of montana, billionaire oilman of texas, or realtor of florida seethe at Los Angeles, Hollywood, tenured professors of art, and woke university students, baristas, etc.?

Seething at the urban haute bourgeoisie, getting mad that coastal hipsters are oppressing christianity with their smugness and coolness until enough prageru calvinist oil barons fund enough propaganda to finally convince a generation of young people that sex, drugs, and loud music is actually bad and conservatism is the new punk rock. This is why they cheer so hard at "California is declining" or whatever bullshit, its the domestic version of China collapse porn but for "cultural capital" not actual economics.
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so basically "to own the libs" and fuck up oversexed liberals lives. that doesn't explain why married religious people who presumably getting laid once in a while to pump out their 7+ mormon kids or whatever are voting republican


Get other images anon? The one child-entertainer doing babies first facial-expressions you are inexplicably attracted to for some reason is getting old.


Spite comes in different forms, and Mormons are cultists who vote Republican to keep the governments hands off their religion in order to maintain their patriarchal household dominance. No surprise there.


Maybe because status corresponds to merit but under capitalism it is obfuscated by money as a signifier by the unconscious masses.


clout sharks and influencers (i.e marketers, schmoozers, bootlickers, flunkies, etc.) are just unproductive laborers who are paid out of the surplus value produced by productive laborers, which is expropriated as profit by porky during the circuits of capital.

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It's very fun to laugh at the USA for getting knee deep into decay thanks to bad regulation of car companies and landlords that bankrupted every city and sent millions into abject poverty. However, being aware that this can and is happening to places that aren't like Alberta, that don't have any provincial drive to avoid the decay that comes with car centric urban design is horrifying.

Imagine spending years of your life trying your hardest to find the best job, help out your community and more just to end up homeless and stuck in a city that looks like it was a recent site of armed conflict. Not as a result of anything you did but the realities of capitalism destroying any opportunities in life you once had. That's not fair to anyone here, especially the poor and mentally ill that don't have the resources to simply leave to somewhere better. It's horrifying just to think about. At least strathcona county and Montreal will always be pleasant here
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Doug Ford is importing Burgoid institutional transphobia to appeal to his base of cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.



Still spending resources and time on provoking China for no reason. Good to see Canada has their priorities straight.



National murder-suicide for and with Burgerland, wonderful.


How does Canada even benefit from being an American lapdog? Are its politicians that subservient, is its Chinese population that guano, what's the angle here?

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The struggle for communism is not just a political struggle. It is a cosmological and ontological struggle for elevating the chaotic and non-teleologic self replication of capital to the orderly and rational unity of the multiplicity of the political world-body, in harmony with the One-Good, or more accurately, in an asindotic tendecy towards-and-through it. Under the realization of communism, government will no longer reflect a non-united multiplicity of contradictory interests, manifesting in forms such as rethorical discourse and strategic non-cooperative behaviour: it will become a matter of technical and rational management by the wise, and there will no longer be budgets, only problem solving, because value will no longer need to be abstracted and subsequently materialized in a zero sum game to account for the multiplicity and discordance of particular interests. Thus, we will advance to a superior ontological status, just as chemical phenomena developed into biological phenomena, because our multiplicity-element will be increasingly resemblant to the One-Good principle.

Let us be meat for the real and effectual embodiment of the World-Soul!!!! The World-Soul must be incarnated!!! Uphold marxism-platonism!!!!
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Isnt Plato the father of idealism?


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Reject Platonism, embrace Aristotelianism


each of those texts are wrong, save for the democratic one, whose ideas are so shallow they can in fact be resumed that way




What are the arguments against simply nationalizing large corporations such as Amazon (and smaller companies) and making them adherent to a council of planers and their quotas whose purpose is centered around meeting the population’s needs? These companies and corporations will be adapted to the socialist enterprise as much as is necessary while utilizing the methodology, machinery and infrastructure already in place as provided by the kind billionaires, who by then will have already perished in Minecraft.
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Ok, I'll just go ahead say it:

Degrowth is not just compatible with communism, it is required by it. The capitalist concept of "growth" is incompatible with the abolition of imperialism that communists call for, and economic growth as a concept is maligned by capitalism to become an end in of itself as opposed to a decision to be taken based on need.


>mfw link redirects to whitehouse.gov

well played whoever did that lmao


The problem with the USSR and Mao's China was they didn't do enough degrowth?


The problems change based on material conditions. Mao's China and the USSR were not industrialised nations in the beginning, they had to grow rapidly to industrialise. But when you do industrialise, there comes a point where you do not need to rapidly grow any more. Capitalists will not hear any of it, growth must continue forever without any barriers and without any thought paid to sustainable resource use or even actual human need.

Industrialised economies need to set limits to avoid destroying themselves. In capitalism this is simply not possible.


>But when you do industrialise, there comes a point where you do not need to rapidly grow any more.
I know what you mean, but you absolutely should not ever phrase it the way you do. Mainstream economists already have a way to express that sentiment and it isn't degrowth. (I know mainstream economists overall suck, but that's no reason to reject every single word). Degrowthers project a very narrow notion of growth and almost nobody deserves to be portrayed the way degrowthers portray them, whether the enemy is socialist techno-fetishists or even conservatives. That simplistic view of growth is something that would be transparent with a few simple physical measures, like tons of steel produced per year and energy usage. This crude type of growing is called extensive growth, qualitative improvements are intensive growth. It is possible to have economic growth while reducing pollution.





TOWARDS the middle of March, 1946, a “Pravda” correspondent requested J. V. Stalin to clarify a number of questions connected with Mr. Churchill’s speech at Fulton, U.S.A. Below are J. V. Stalin’s replies to the correspondent’s questions.

Question: How do you appraise Mr. Churchill’s latest speech in the United States of America?

Answer: I appraise it as a dangerous act, calculated to sow the seeds of dissension among the Allied States and impede their collaboration.

Question: Can it be considered that Mr. Churchill’s speech is prejudicial to the cause of peace and security?

Answer: Yes, unquestionably. As a matter of fact, Mr. Churchill now takes the stand of the warmongers, and in this Mr. Churchill is not alone. He has friends not only in Britain but in the United States of America as well.
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What will be the role of CPC in this new ancap order?


>says the guy who identifies himself by the political ideology that only means anti-USSR and nothing else


tbh I don't hate Trots all that much, at least they're less annoying than anarchists


Then I approve of Ancapism with Chinese Characteristics.


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>Trotsky was never anti-USSR, simply anti-Stalin. I’m not interested in derailing this thread further than the ancap retard already has but if you can show me how “socialism in one country” was and currently is a viable strategy, I will happily eat crow.

How about you as a trot explain show socialism in any country.

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Chilean Women Remember the Victims of the Pinochet Dictatorship
"The women of Chile, once again, as always, teaching us all a lesson," President Gabriel Boric said through social networks. Convened by the "Women for Never Again" platform, this symbolic act was the prelude to the massive commemorations that will take place to remember the assassination of President Salvador Allende on Sept. 11, 1973, when the military bombed La Moneda palace. This coup d'état began a cruel 17-year dictatorship that left over 40,000 victims of torture, disappearances, and detentions. Among them there are at least 3,200 murdered Chileans.

UCV students reject the arrest of John Álvarez
The Federation of Student Centers of the Central University of Venezuela (UCV), accompanied by the relatives of John Alvarezrejected the arrest of the young man who has been deprived of liberty since Monday, September 4 In a press conference, which they offered in Plaza Venezuela, the students raised their voices to denounce the imprisonment of the Anthropology student. “John is just another young man, he is just another Ucevista, a student who is worried about the situation in his country and all he wants is to have a prosperous and better Venezuela. He was just fighting like thousands of Ucevistas do every day, for That is why we denounce his arbitrary detention,” said Jesús Mendoza, president of the FCU-UCV.

Gaza exports to Israel resume as crossing reopens
On Sunday morning the Kerem Shalom gateway was reopened, said Raed Fattouh, head of the Presidential Committee for the Coordination of Goods, which is affiliated to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's Fatah party. "Several trucks, including one loaded with readymade clothes and others loaded with scrap iron, entered the crossing this morning and headed towards the Israeli side," he told AFP.
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Outcry as Atlanta refuses to handle petitions over ‘Cop City’ police campus
The city of Atlanta has refused to begin counting and verifying petitions signed by about 116,000 registered voters to put on the ballot the question of whether a controversial police and fire department training center known as Cop City should be built. The move was backed by a legal memo from lawyers hired by the city, citing an active court case, after dozens of activists and Atlanta residents delivered the petitions to the clerk’s office at city hall on Monday.

Protests against cuts at West Virginia University continue as lawmakers allocate tens of millions to war-related research
The cuts are a frontal assault on the social and cultural rights of the working class in one of the poorest states of the US. In 2020, 17 percent of state residents were living below the federal poverty line of $26,500 for a family of four. That same year, 29 percent of children reported living in a family that did not get enough to eat or were behind on housing payments.

Louisiana ordered to remove teens from ‘intolerable’ conditions at state prison
Louisiana has until Friday to remove children from its notorious state penitentiary at Angola after a federal judge found they were being held in “intolerable” conditions that included prolonged solitary confinement, punishment with mace and handcuffs, and inadequate education and mental health care.

Appeals court slaps Biden administration for contact with social media companies
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Memory and Action: Interview with Marcela Rodríguez, Former Combatant of the Popular Forces Lautaro, 50 Years After the Coup in Chile
With the aim of recovering the stories of those comrades who faced and fought against tyranny implanted by the civic-military dictatorship and its structural continuity, today 50 years after the coup, we wanted to find them, listen to them by making them part of our own history, claiming them far from victims, far from pacifist visions, conciliatory speeches and the patriarchal monopoly of history, which has buried the courage, actions and will to fight of those who preceded us. Marcela Rodríguez is a subversive woman ex-combatant of the Lautaro Popular Rebel Forces, active participant of the armed resistance against the dictatorship and later against the repressive apparatuses of the false transition. During her life she participated in various actions, some very mediatized in the media of the time, in one of them she is seriously injured leaving irreversible consequences. In this interview, we go through her life told in the first person, we talk about her political position and look at the current context, at 70 years of age. A comrade whose story should not go unnoticed in the reconstruction of the combatant memory…

50 years since Pinochet’s coup in Chile: The defeat of reformism
Fifty years ago, on 11 September 1973, the coup d’état against Salvador Allende’s socialist government took place in Chile. Allende’s election was the first time in history that a candidate who identified as a Marxist came to power through the electoral route. This fostered great illusions amongst social democrats around the world. As president, however, Allende failed to carry the revolution through to its conclusion. The ensuing counterrevolution was relentless. The cost was paid by millions of Chilean workers. In this article, we remember this painful milestone, and collect valuable lessons for the future of the class struggle.
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Thanks News Anon

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The evaluation of Stalin’s merits and demerits would at first seem to be a matter of measuring a historical figure, a question with a definitive conclusion, but in reality, it is deeply linked to a series of ongoing issues in today’s struggle.

In the final analysis, it’s a question of life and death between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie – between socialism and capitalism – where one side must triumph over the other, and this must not be minimised.

First, the complete negation of Stalin is in essence the ideological assault of western hostile forces aiming to subvert the socialist regime. The vigorous development of the Soviet Union and the world’s socialist movement at large caused fear and anxiety in the capitalist world; capitalists feared that the Marxist doctrine of “>scientific socialism was everywhere materialising.

The demonisation of Stalin was a covert means to undermine the success of scientific socialism, and an important means for the west to succeed in the ‘battle for hearts and minds’. After the second world war, US-led western hostile forces attempted to gain a competitive advantage over socialism through rapid technological, economic and social development, inaugurating the cold war between capitalism and socialism.

The anti-Stalinist movement catered to the needs of US-led western hostile forces, disrupting socialism in the midst of turmoil, and opening a big gap in the ideological field of the already-consolidated socialist camp, the inevitable outcome of which was the growing ideological and political chaos in socialist countries, with various contradictions and conflicts growing in prominence.

Second, the complete negation of Stalin in essence substitutes the class interests of the bourgeoisie for the class interests of the proletariat and the masses of the people. In the present era, the masses of people, led by the proletariat, are the real force of social and historical development – the masters and subjects of history, the creators of all material and spiritual wealth in society, and the agents of social change.

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best post in this shit thread


bruh why the fixation with Stalin? He was just a politician.


they fall from the sky


kill uyghurs


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might aswell save it for posterity

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How bad will be the shock therapy 2.0 this guy is planning to impose on Argentina ? Will it be worse than the Russian one ? Will he manage to hold on to power after the widespread discontent his policies will unleash on Argentinian society which will make the current problems the country is facing seem like good ol days ?
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>He may as well turn his country into a U.S. puppet.
Congratulations you've discovered the eternal drive of all Latin American right-wingers.


they are, because for all uses and purposes it means
>rules/taxes for thee, not for me
but it probably means something different for you, the poor retard duped by media


Let this thread die already or mods sage it, discussion over liberal idealism(s) always turns moronic.


The economist takes him with tweezers
Would be a risk for democracy in Argentina


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Rip trots, not even in the greatest economic dismay can get beyond 5%

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>small brain: anything other than class is idpol
>medium brain: we can't form a united front against capital until working class people stop marginalizing each other over their identities. fixing idpol issues is good because it unites the working class.
>large brain: actually the ruling class should be as bigoted and divided over idpol as possible while the working class should be as united and unbigoted as possible. this will ensure unity and victory over our enemies. therefore bigotry is good when ruling class people do it to each other.
This is the secret sauce to the "idpol" discourse. All efforts to remove bigotry from our society have been bourgeois efforts to incorporate more marginalized groups into their class. We must not only do better than them, but get them to do worse and be more bigoted towards each other. That way the bourgeoisie stab each other in the back and marginalized bourgeoisie become class traitors, like Engels.
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>All efforts to remove bigotry from our society have been bourgeois efforts to incorporate more marginalized groups into their class
ummmm… who's going to tell her?


This board has forgotten completely what idpol actually referred to back in the day, and at this point just means literally any discussion of any social issue, even when that social issue is connected to class.


I think a lot of leftypol OPs are thinly veiled satire…


>We gotta reaction the reactionaries so that by comparison we're less reactionary!!
This will end well, I'm sure


All major identity based problems can be fixed with class based solutions.

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