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This may be a dumb question, but how am I supposed to support the working class and show sympathy for other workers when people are just stupid? Vast majority of people think communism is le 1 billion dead people and they would gladly have their rights taken away.

How can a revolution be possible when workers are more divided than ever? While global capital sweeps everything away, society is divided into men and women, vegans and meat-eaters, conservatives and liberals, and a million other things
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>>2833930
Not a meme, an ai generated images.
What I mean is that at least fascist are humans, viles, disguting ones, but they have a soul, they have feelings, even if they sell it off to whatever lunatic calls himself a great leader.
But what do tech bros have ? What do these misanthropes worship ?
These people wll gladly kill each and every one of us for their fucking AI. In fact they're doing this, AI will destroy the environnement, the final nail in our coffin, it'll make fascism look like a joke.

>>2833932
>but they have a soul, they have feelings,
pls. they pretend to really care about their race or country but in reality they will keep going with the murder until they sit on top. If the nazis won they would have narrowed the definition of Aryan further and further until only few people were left.
>These people wll gladly kill each and every one of us for their fucking AI.
You are not really wrong here but average posters on imageboards are unlikely to have anything to do with with the actual industry. It's like blaming a single individual driving a car for causing global warming.

>but how am I supposed to support the working class and show sympathy for other workers when people are just stupid?
petite bourgeois mentality
go pour some concrete bitchass uygha

>>2832604
Just become a Marxist-Leninist, and support the militarized party-state which rules over the working class and keeps them in line.

>>2833915
You are the mf defending Gaulle in the other thread? Lmao.



 

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>>2822181
I don't mind him too much. He's a fun character on this website, I find your struggle against him more boring tbh. No offense

>>2822238
>politics is just muh entertainment slop

>>2822238
>At least ᴉuᴉlossnW gives le funny speeches!!1!!!! i find your struggle against him boring!!!1!!! everyone exists to entertain me!!!!!11! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>2822791
Postin on leftypol ain't politics my friend, it is entertainment slop

>>2822792
Your posting on anonymous image boards against either ACP/ESL anon or Haz is certainly not comparable to a some kind of struggle against ᴉuᴉlossnW lmao, get a grip
>That crashout
Sorry to offend your sensibilities anon. It's just stale material

Sometimes i feel like the internet has just been made into one big anti originization tool.
If news about the epstein files came out. And people outraged went outside to seek opinions and feelings of their peers. I think we would all be outside.
With the internet, sure we can discuss and find connection on events. But is not lasting.

You meet someone in real life and make a friend. Because of a united hatred for pedophiles in the governement lets say. That's a different beast.

I think we all need to get off the internet if we want change.



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For context (feel free to skip this paragraph, though, if tl;dr), I've always considered myself an individualist anarchist and an illegalist. I've never had anything against collectivist anarchists, and in fact I tend to agree with them on a lot of things, but I've just never had the patience for a whole lot of theory, and I'm perfectly frankly a selfish piece of shit who does want a better world for everyone but is primarily interested in making things better for himself (and others, in parentheses) right here and now to whatever degree possible. I've read the Communist Manifesto once and some Bakunin here and there and remember little of any of it; the sum of my political philosophy is more or less that the capitalist system/the state has stolen from me, so I don't regard any of its institutions as valid and regard myself as existing outside of them. I am serious about putting illegalist philosophy into practice; ACAB means ACAB, I don't call the police, and I don't steal from small or minority-owned businesses, but banks and retail chains are fair game. The point being, I'm not entirely new, but also not especially educated when it comes to political theory.

I've always regarded Marxist-Leninists as a strange but mostly pleasant variety of exotic creature that I occasionally interact with by chance, and although I disagree with some of the things I've heard coming out of their mouths (for example, they seem to be very quick to explain why mass civilian deaths under Stalin both didn't happen and were unavoidable but also totally justifiable even if they did), I've rarely or never had a bad experience, so I don't judge too much, but I don't understand them.

At any rate, I spent the last few days on a caffeine-fueled bender reading through various internet shitposts until I came across pic related and downloaded a copy, and it's so obviously full of blatant lies, half-truths, and misinformation even to someone completely uneducated like me that a light switched on in my brain and I immediately started downloading every legitimate book on communism I could find just so I can have some idea what I'm talking about when I confront people who think like this in meatspace. But I'm getting overwhelmed by the enormity of it all. Marx? Seems like I could get away with rereading Communist Manifesto and the 2024 version of the first volume of Capital for now while I wait for the second volume to get a retranslation. Che? Well, he's got a couple of sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2833839
>But Lenin? Tens of tens of thousands of pages for a 45-volume collection of just the "important" stuff. I don't even know where to begin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAII71GaFY&list=PLXUFLW8t2sntNn5jQO8vF7ai9x0fna3PV

Use this playlist. Listen to it while you do dishes, fold clothes, or work.



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I own the work place and you don't. You have to beg me for a job. You can have the job only if you produce more revenue than I pay you. I'll pay you enough to stay alive but not enough to escape your circumstances, unless it looks like you're a total bootlicker and I can use you to keep your peers in line. I need you alive so I can use you, but I need you weak so you can't fight back. Who am I?
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>>2833806
>nobody has ever said this
We say it in the board meetings all the time.

>>2833803
Sonic is a hedgehog, not a person

>>2833771
Drumpf. And only Drumpf.

>>2833771
The Chinese.

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>>2833771
>Who am I?
Karl Marx speaking from the perspective of "Mr. Moneybags." in Chapter 6 of Capital Volume 1

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm



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Eugenics is one of those words that people flattened to be absurdly broad and shallow. It was a specific movement, with key goals and philosophies.
But people today employ the word any time someone makes a decision about their offspring that isn't randomly selected breeding.
Today on xitter i see right-wingers and a few left-wingers harassing a couple that decided to terminate a pregnancy due to the baby having down syndrome as "eugenic".
What caused this bastardisation of the term?
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>>2833409
Contrary to what many think, the Nazis barely practiced scientific eugenics. The Nazis decried Darwinism and modern genetics as "Jewish science" and replaced it their retarded woo-woo Aryan esotericism. They based their human breeding programs on irrelevant shit like blonde hair and blue eyes.

I think it was some Paraguay junta that had a program of forced inter-racial marriage to accelerate the process of race mixing to humongous the population. Was that eugenics.

>>2833503
Blond hair blue eyes is not only a reliable proxy for autism score but is also a good indicator of agreeableness(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Emma Goldman supported eugenics.

The early USSR had a eugenics program.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2833409
I’d add that aborting tards is a feminist issue because 99% of care work for the disabled is placed on women. I support families being able to euthanize retarded family members for this exact reason too.



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Zelensky is gonna concede

>>2831963
a guy who's dead, a guy who barely made it into politics, a guy who only western retort, in a country where nazism has only been influenced by the west, and its intelligence countries.
find better material.

>>2831938
"I'm totally a leftist, but Hitler didn't go far enough!!"

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note: i don't proclaim to be super-knowledgeable about offline optics, but with the world becoming increasingly online, i do feel this will inevitably bleed into real-life consequences, as they have done with the online right's success from 2014 to about present-day

as a veteran of the culture wars on both sides since pretty much just after the gamergate days and pre-trump 1, i've seen a lot in my 10+ years being politically involved in the modern age. i've wasted most of my twenties autisticly hyper-analysing political dynamics and persuasion to try and develop theories and praxis on how to help socialist politics gain power in the face of the enormous pressure ultra-capitalism places on them. i'll try and keep this simple, no deep citations of marxist scripture that will make normies turn off their brains, just basic techniques and strategy that i think would personally help the left as a general movement

mainly, win the humour war. i'm not going to say i can always understand what is and isn't quality humour, but that goes even for the greatest of comic minds, not every joke is going to land, but some risk and vulnerability is expected from the comic is needed. anyway, humour i believe is derived from subversion and surprise. subversion often involves the target and the whole "punching up" rule in comedy can be constituted as that. so why is/was 4chan rightoid slop humour "kill da uyghurs and jews deus vult" stuff considered funny by enough of a die-hard audience? because it was subversive. it did something new, and got the reactions it desired. why is it not funny now, or how do you not make it funny to a wider audience? not through outrage or indignation, but simply fatigue and boredom. the shock is the humour. take away the shock and it fades. act like you've seen this shit before and it's almost become normal, without actively normalising it, because you're still critiquing it. you can combine the shock and edge they once had, and instead turn it on the rightoids. they bring what they think is a pipebomb telling you to "kill yourself, commie beautiful lady😍🥰"? bring a precision airstike "i remember when that was funny and hip in 2017. running on exhaust fumes, you epstein apologist dronefly?" i'm not saying it's the apex of comedy, but you're bullying them back harder and more eloquently and put them in a position where they have to think and not operate on autopilot, something naturally leftists will fucking obliterate rightoids oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2833572
>and i might make more threads on this when i get thoughts like ths one again.
don't

>>2833580
just for you schnookums <3

to win at optics you make sure to screech at everyone that they're a fascist for the most innocuous and irrelevant lifestyle choices they make, refuse to compromise with them on any issue, always be trying to scare the hoes with threats of future revenge, torture, execution, retribution, and tell as many workers as possible that they're petty bourgeois imperialist beneficiaries of capitalism who are existentially incapable of fighting the system. oh and throw in a good dash of terminally online chanspeak for good measure.

>as a veteran of the culture wars
Cringe.

>>2833602
half deliberate, half blue oyster cult reference



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I find it hard to believe that rich countries "exploit" poorer ones, in the Marxist sense.

Firstly, its clear that the higher productivity of workers in rich countries is the reason for greater material wealth. Similarly its primarily the lower productivity in poorer countries for the lack of material wealth.

So now you can ask, "do rich countries have high productivity due to exploitation of poor ones"? And the answer is no. They have high productivity due to more automation of production processes.

Secondly you can ask, "do poor countries have low automation because of rich countries"? The answer is no. In fact, rich countries even outsource production to poor ones and help them increase their productivity via tech transfer, capital for building factories etc. The low automation in poor countries is because they start out from historically low base.

Now you can indeed blame colonialism, but I'm talking about existing processes rather than the lingering effects of 70 year old ones. But to be even more accurate, it was colonialism that enabled the development of capitalist relations in the first place, even if those relations were later strangled by the colonizers.
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The classic definition of imperialism according to Lenin is tied directly to the export of capital and import of commodities from less favored nations. The export of technologies comes with heavy strings attached; in particular exclusive contracts, debt, and privatization requirements that are designed in such a way as go keep the cost of labor in these nations as low as possible. Capitalism holds back the productice forces - there are plenty of automatable extractive industry jobs in the developing world that would be automated in a socialist economy based on labor quantums; but remain cheaper than automation in our current system. Nations host capital; and low income nations are put into a position in which their ability to attract capital is dependent upon extreme exploutation. In particular, since labor is the source of value we can look at unequal exchange in terms of labor and see the discrepancy openly

Yes.

>>2828641
> I find it hard to believe that rich countries "exploit" poorer ones, in the Marxist sense.
Well no, of course not the, way you framed that excludes it. Nations dont own capital and nations dont work, capitalists and workers do.

>>2830838
The problem isn't extractive industry. Nationalization of land is a bourgeois demand. And social services like public housing, education and childcare keep the cost of labor low so the problem isn't the bourgeoisie attempting to lower the cost of labor. Imperialism is just more complicated than that.

>>2828641
Yeah, Coltan, which makes the phone you are posing with possible in the first place, just so magically appears out of nowhere.



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Japan is nowadays seen as the lap dog of the USA. Not a threat unless the USA commands it. But there are some similarities to the past. The US sanctioned Japan in the early 1900s, one of the reasons that pushed Japan to the war. Now the US is forcing Japan to invest more in the army, thus raising taxes and burdening the population. Recently the US demanded Japan $550 billion for nothing in return. This is raw power. The US is pushing Japan towards a path with no exit.

The nationalism and racial myth survived WW2, and the Japanese government has steadily maintained them. Up to this day, the Japanese population believe in the uniqueness and superiority of the Japanese race and culture. As such, Japan has rejected foreigners, choosing racial purity over survival.

All of this along with the severely worsening living and economic conditions is pushing Japan to choosing between obeying and dying, or disobeying and starting a war, similar to WW2. Any path they choose is basically suicidal.

To avoid a pacific war theater, the US must stop abusing Japan and offer some support. This is one of the tasks of the American left. Don’t ignore Japan!
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>>2827751
Yes, normies just lack vexiology autism.

>>2827753
To be fair, the confederate battle flag is a way better designed flag than either the US flag or the actual confederate flag, I get why George Wallace made it his gimmick during his presidential run.

>>2827203
Elaborate
>>2827689
Tbh I think that happens to most people. Japan does a great job hiding its ugly side. Even if you research about Japan, most will be positive propaganda. Only those familiar with the concepts of racial purity, racism, etc. might see the truth. I lived in Japan and learned it the hard way
>>2827750
Yes but it became symbol of Imperial Japan

Japan launched an aggressive war and surrendered as an Axis power in the World Anti-Fascist War—that's the reason Japan cannot remilitarize. Under UN, Japan is an enemy state. Legally, Russia and China can attack Japan at her own discretion. No authorization is required by UN. Additionally, under international law, China, as a victorious nation, has the right to station troops in Japan.

>>2828606
Yeah well according to international law Netanyahu should be in prison. Attacking Japan means attacking the US by extension retard



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How come socdems chads have no trouble winning elections but communists do? How come literally nobody likes any of you guys irl?
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When the "communists" openly glaze countries like NK or Cuba and Venezuela then it's not surprising that proles don't want any of that shit. "Socialists" only win when they promise shit that proles actually want, like Nordic or Chinese style state managed capitalism.

I just made a big post on taxes here >>2833315

Ill make another post later on what a "desirable" communist reformist platform would like.

If you're gonna do electroralism, then do it right. Don't give up ground to opportunist socdems.

We can create a highly desirable program that is easy to implement, actually works, and actually weakens capitalism instead of merely stabilizing it (which is the Socdem goal)

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>be socdem party
>win election
>manage to pass some reforms somehow
>lost next election
>porkies reverse said reforms, and then some
rinse and repeat

>>2833327
Just don't lose bro, it's that simple

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>>2833336
>Just don't lose bro, it's that simple
Luka gets it. That's why Belarus is the last social democracy in Europe.

>>2833431
Luka shows that mandate limits are retarded as well
>huh I think we should be forced to vote for Hitler or ᴉuᴉlossnW in between actually good candidates from time to time



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