/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Does Bookchin actually advance a political economy that does away with wages, commodities, private property, etc? Been a while since I read him but from what I remember he was mostly focused on the politics side of things, not economics.

>>2785113
You can't deal with bourgeoisie and capitalist relations single-handedly, it's impossible to achieve socialism in one country alone so otherwise we need proletarian party which can abolish bourgeoisie state and implement new worker's state (DoTP) and since there's still a class division and contradictions there's a need for state which has to suppress any bourgeoisie oppossition.

You can't achieve le communistic relations in one commune alone if you don't want to starve your people, and even if you do create le anarchist (state) commune then it's impossible for it to be in any way a communistic society because it still has to trade with external countries, produce commodities and even has remaining elements of petite-bourgeoisie, every example of anarchism did at best implement radical democracy petite-bourgeoisie state in small area.

Creating counter-hegemonies or other quasi-states which are suppossed to challenge bourgeoisie state, in reality it doesn't actually challenge it and even just conservates it by preventing any means of organising a proletariat in order to overthrow existing state of being.

>>2785450
>But modern anarchism has become too individualistic, trapped under a philosophy that doesn’t allow any sort of organized action as it is considered authoritarian.
Isn't that why Makhno and co split with other anarchists to found platformism?

>>2785450
>Their theory just says to wait for the right moment

This doesn't mean that communist parties aren't actively organising itself and expanding their influence or/and connections among proletariat.

Revolution isn't something that party can trigger at any moment but can lead it.

>Trotsky himself said that if WW2 didn’t trigger a revolutionary response by the workers, a new strategy must be found.

I think Trotsky was wrong, and even if he was right then what strategy we should adopt according to you?

>>2785512
You keep mention the class division as a reason for a proletarian state (which always becomes another bourgeoisie state) as needed. But history shows the elite always flees during a revolution (Cuba, Rojava, Venezuela, etc.). There are other ways to uphold a revolution that don’t involve a State, like Communalism (Rojava, Zapatistas, Makhnoschvina,etc.). Although I agree not being recognized as a State is problematic in the current situation. This has caused Rojava problems as it’s not a state, technically speaking
>>2785515
Yes. Makhno even exchanged letters with Malatesta arguing that anarchism was philosophically strong but organizationally weak. And this problem has plagued anarchism since its inception.
>>2785516
Isn’t that the one million dollar question? The way I see it we need to create a base for workers to rely on, so they are more willing to take risks (such as being fired for starting a syndicate, not having savings, etc.). This base is the community, communalism, solidarity among its members.

In order to protect the popular assemblies from State power, the syndicates threaten by striking. It’s a mutual support between communalism and syndicates, without the need if a vanguard party or authoritarianism.

The problem is it’s too ambitious and it’s technically an attrition war against the State

>>2784903
The only thing that changed the result was your answers, so you’re the inconsistent one.

>>2785479
True, but when I gave the test to friends I noticed that they would answer based on who they want to be rather than what they are actually like. That’s a potential problem for every test.

>>2781290
Why is this even allowed in /leftypol/ instead if si/b/eria?

>>2785429
That's ok.

>>2785390
I think there is quite a bit of value to be had in the original Jungian definition of the types but even then he mostly just focused on introvert/extrovert stuff.
Albeit being an introvert is less about being a loner and more about being subjective overall while an extrovert is someone who seeks to be objective.

>>2784869
tmk Bahrain has a large section of there proletarian class thats a shia underclass and permanent residents

Some others may have already mentioned these details but just to reiterate, almost all of those workers are South Asian or African manual labourers who are never treated as anything more (never given citizenship nor allowed to leave their jobs or those countries to go back home), so yeah even a hint of non-compliance or dissent amongst them would be met with absolute terror. NOt to mention the vast majority of them are uneducated men whose families rely on the money they send back, and given the lack of opportunities in their 3rd world home countries (along with the other factors), the lot of them haven't really got a bloody choice than just to work those 16 hour days. the fall of the juche is more likely in our lifetime than proletarian revolution in the gulf

>>2784881
bahrain had also large protests (and might still have) that needed to be suppressed by using kuwait troops lol

>>2784880
kek based

>>2784881
Eastern Saudi Arabia also has a large Shi'a community but we don't hear much about them.

>>2785145
>because losing status and wealth and going back to the level of a worker is a fate worse than death
even under socialism?

>>2785150
in the building stages of socialism life still sucks, it is hopeful for the workers but not really hopeful for the ones that got their shit took

>go from enjoying vast profits, a life of luxury and status to being an average joe working their ass off with constant back pain
<"damn this shit sucks"
>"but look on the bright side, we are lifting so much people out of povery and increasing literacy"
<"I don't give a shit, I want my shit back, I don't like work"

>>2785150
especially under socialism

>>2784271
Retarded framing like this is the only thing that kulaks and anticommunists have to counter communist arguments for progress.

First of all, kulaks didn't own the land, they leased it. Revolution brought about kulaks to actually own the land they worked. Land owners got their land confiscated in favor of local councils, which then provided the land as needed to the peasantry - kulaks included

Next, grain wasn't confiscated, it was sold to government at fixed prices, with sales to the market forbidden UNTIL the government quota was fulfilled. Also, grain hoarding in the area was punished with grain taken away from hoarders and redistributed without compensation for free, to destroy speculative pricing.

Collectivization was infiltrated by kulaks initially, who viewed it as a way to centralize rural resources in their hands. Many collective farms were disbanded for this reason, so that collective farms' power base be not rich households but rather a collective of poor farmers pooling their resources. "Forced" collectivization happened only in anticommunist propaganda, it was more like the adoption of electricity and machinery, a movement for progress and treated as such. Reactionaries - such as kulaks who clung to manual labor on their fields - got really pissy about it and wanted to restore old relations, because tractor was much, much cheaper and much, much more efficient than horses and working the fields by hand, and kulaks couldn't compete fairly. Also, you can see from statistics how collectivization decimated horse populations, because horse eats more in money terms than a tractor, and guess who in the rural area had most horses and who was leasing them to other villagers, lol

Hope this little essay helps you to set your historical knowledge straight!

>>2784479
there's nothing civil about a war

>>2784481
I obviously meant "Civil War or War"

If you have the capacity to conscript the population you are not the revolutionary side anymore

Based pro 2nd amendment Lenin

>An oppressed class which does not strive to learn to use arms, to acquire arms, only deserves to be treated like slaves. - Lenin
I hate these quotes because the USA is the country where everyone use arms and acquire arms and they are one of the most classcucked country in the world, completely incapable of organizing a general strile, not protesting against the war in Iran when it makes their general situation actively worse, I could go on and on.
Meanwhile, proles in other countries just burn shit down and organize strikes when they had enough. Guns are completely useless when you have zero tactics, targeting infrastructure is infintely more important.

>>2738405
Cuba literally tried that initially and it didn't work hence joined the USSR
They didn't do so willingly

Not oppening up their economy to China was still a remarkably idiotic decision.

>>2738393
>"communist" cuba is about to be overthrown
Nice!(Rule 11 - low-quality bait)

Cuba will leak

why you guys use this thread with glowie OP rather than one of the better one
>>2743590
>>2698776
and why havent mods merged all 3 and banned OP?

JBS workers' union to ask Colorado lawmakers to protect access to bathroom breaks
United Food and Commercial Workers Local 7, the union that represents the JBS workers in Greeley, is lobbying at Colorado's State Capitol to further protect its members. According to Kim Cordova, president of UFCW Local 7, the union is asking state lawmakers to pass a law that would require companies to allow employees to have reasonable bathroom breaks without fear of punitive measures.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/jbs-workers-union-colorado-lawmakers-protect-access-bathroom-breaks/

USC student prepares to file lawsuit against DHS after losing eye during DLTA 'No Kings' rally
An 18-year-old USC freshman who lost an eye is calling for justice after a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officer fired a projectile at him during a "No Kings" rally in downtown Los Angeles last month. Tucker Collins is preparing to file a federal civil rights lawsuit, alleging the DHS officer is responsible for his life-altering injury.
https://abc7.com/post/usc-freshman-prepares-file-lawsuit-dhs-losing-eye-during-no-kings-rally-downtown-los-angeles/18895845/

Democratic senator dumps on DSCC's "big mistake" in Maine
"We want to push the caucus to fight even harder against the lawless Trump administration. I think we've made some progress since this time last year," said Van Hollen, himself a former DSCC chair. "We are also very unhappy with the fact that the DSCC has been putting its foot on the scale as the party organization in the Senate in some of these races. So that's what formed the Fight Club."
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/16/chris-van-hollen-dscc-maine-platner-mills
https://archive.ph/GnEAX

Eric Adams’ zombie effort to change NYC Charter roars to life with first public hearing
On his last day in officePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

War on Iran: Why the Islamabad talks failed
What happened in Islamabad is not an isolated event, but rather part of a longer American strategy in the region. Indeed, the American-Zionist war on Iran did not emerge in isolation. It is the direct extension of a broader strategy that accelerated after October 2023, when Israel’s failure to achieve decisive outcomes in Gaza exposed the limits of military power and deterrence. Washington responded not by reassessing its regional posture, but by doubling down, expanding confrontation, tightening sanctions, and eventually moving towards direct military aggression against Iran. Iran entered the talks with a structured position. Through Pakistani mediators, it submitted a 10-point proposal intended to frame negotiations. The details were not publicly released in full, but the outline was clear: a cessation of hostilities, recognition of Iran’s rights under international law, phased sanctions relief, and reciprocal security guarantees. Initially, US President Donald Trump signalled that the proposal could serve as a basis for dialogue. That signal proved misleading. The US delegation did not engage the proposal as a negotiating framework; instead, it moved quickly to impose a separate set of demands. Within hours, the Iranian proposal was effectively sidelined. Reports from the meeting indicate that Trump personally dismissed the framework, instructing his team to proceed on the basis of American conditions. What followed was not a negotiation, but the imposition of American demands. The talks stalled at that point. The remaining hours were spent attempting to bridge a gap that had already become unbridgeable.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/war-iran-why-islamabad-talks-failed

The Left Needs an Alternative Cosmopolitanism Interview with Lea Ypi
The standard critique of the liberal international order comes from the Right these days: the nation-state is supreme, global institutions are a racket, and cosmopolitan elites have sold out ordinary people. The standard defense comes from liberals who conflate the internationalism of the postwar order with the economic system it upholds and defend them both at once. Not satisfied with either position, political theorist Lea Ypi instead urges us to develop what she Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

I appreciate you, news anon

>>2784116
Purple mirror

>>2783709
>Every human being should be capable of
some people don't even have an inner monologue, don't get your hopes up

>/leftypol/ is full of low grade npcs
lmao

>>2784194
that's the only one that worked

Moved to >>>/siberia/774585.

>>2771740
Complaints about Fedposting are not about pacifism and fear. It is about maintaining internal party discipline.

Complaints to the contrary are unnecessary.

>>2783851
Cpusa defender of the bourgeoisie

>>2782723
It is not throwing your life away since you have no future, this is about revenge

>>2782723
>1) Random acts of violence will never harm the state in any meaningful way
But if powerful people are targeted in can create a sense of urgency and fear in the bourgeois class to make concessions because they think their power is weakening.
>2) It gives the state justification (in the eyes of people who are captured by bourgeois ideology) to violently crack down on your movement
They literally already do this, no matter what people do. Not fighting back accomplishes just as nothing
>3) The state is a million times stronger than you
You may as well give up on possibly of communism or revolution ever being a real possibility then by this logic. Also the state is made up of people who could be swayed by revolutionary actions.

I honestly have no how leftcoms even envision how communism will ever be achieved according if these are their views. Do you just expect people to one day just magically just think communism is based or something? Even if you're waiting for capitalism to collapse in on itself you will still need direct action to signal that is it or to kickstart the revolution once it finally does.

>>2782723
I of course agree regarding aventurism & systemic change. However intelligent adventurism is primarly about propaganda: embasing your friends while demoralizing the ennemy, than it is about achieving change by itself.
Take the Kirkocaust for example, it was completely destructive for the right domestically, a depraved act of leftist (?) violence yet it sent the entire american RW media ecosystem into a death spiral and a billion low-info normies still make fun of their dead patron saint a year later. It was a succesful mass demoralization campaign that took the right off it's cultural pedestal. It also made the domestic american far-right look like impotent weaklings as they did nothing to avenge him besides posting weepy fedposts on xitter talking about the day of the rope any time now in 40 minutes just wait, even the stone cold sleazy-irony posters were posting like sentimental Matt Walsh for a week. Just a total memetic destruction.
Tyler Robinson (PBUH) was way more important than Luigi, who killed some replaceable nobody CEO (the upper class wagies).
Adventurism can have virtuous effects.

any of you with a subscription to mediapart wanna share this article?
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/international/060226/l-industrie-alimentaire-mondiale-finance-la-guerre-au-soudan

j'aime Trotsky

>>2774629
Le Sentier Lumineux envoie ses respects…

>>2770041
Here you go
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