/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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>>2536475
It’s not just a “flaw”, it was the entire goal of the rebellion. Yes, you had black and white collaborating but they weren’t about to set up a socialist state. The critique built into the revolt was that “colonialism hasn’t gone far enough”. There was never any hope of indigenous collaboration.

>>2536413
any "national narrative" of America seeks to maintain the legitimacy of America as a concept. It is the opposite of what is necessary to achieve the dismantling of America and its rotten institutions that make life living hell for everyone including Americans.

Houdini, I agree with you about needing a new narrative about the place we call America. Its important for normies to be able to identify with lefty ideas. One of the great successes of the Communist Party of China was to make Marxism understandable and relatable to normal Chinese people in the 1920s. One master of this was Li Lisan, a rival to Mao and an early leader of the party.

When he was teaching coal miners, he dressed like a traditional intellectual and spoke about Marx and Marxism in a way that related to the culturally dominant schools of philosophy – Confucianism and Daoism. By connecting Marx to Chinese norms, he was able to recruit a lot of coal miners to his cause. You can read about this in Elizabeth Perry's book, Anyuan, which discusses Li's early years as a labor organizer in Chinese coal mines. You should be able to find the PDF online at the usual places.

In the American context, when you talk about the American Revolutionn, one thing that I think could be interesting for you is the idea of popular sovereignty. This is an idea that became popular after the Revolutionary War as people were thinking about how to legitimate the new government when there wasn't a king anymore as the source of absolute power. In a way, I see the armed uprisings of the 1960s, even in black and brown communities as a continuation of this tradition.

>"Throughout American history, the idea that it could be legitimate and justified for groups of citizens to take up arms against the government was not at all unusual. Such ideas date back to the birth of the United States through the American Revolution against the rule of the British sovereign, King George III. As the legal historian Christian G. Fritz details in his book American Sovereigns: The People and America’s Constitutional Tradition Before the Civil War (2008), even after the drafting of the federal Constitution, a significant portion of the American public believed that the ultimate source of the law was the people at large.
The genuinely revolutionary character of this idea shouldn’t be underrated. In colonial America the sovereign, or ultimate source of the law, had been the monarch seated at the Court of St. James in London. The king stood above the law, and the government ruled in his name – hence “His Majesty’s government.” After the American Revolution, the drafters of the new republic’s highest laws fixed this same sovereignty iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2535880
You wrote a long, intelligent materialist analysis clearly laying out the primary strategy of bourgeois rule in the US (divide and conquer, super-exploitation alongside a relatively comfortable sub-section of the proletariat), and then stained it with idealist academic shit. You can get away with never saying "we must therefore view" or "hauntological" ever again. There's nothing that's added by imagining a future from a past that didn't happen. The strength here is the materialist analysis that correctly analyzes still existing contradictions and strategies. It's like those pomo fake marxists who say "imaginary futures" to cover up their lack of program for dealing with the present and it's immediate challenges.

Maybe we should view it through a lens of the present as it is. What we see is that the issue today is still to fight against the super-exploitation of some groups within the proletariat in order to liberate the whole class. I'd also advise you to read Principles of Communism, because it talks a little bit about socialist transition. We don't need utopianism, we just need to resolve the issues right in front of us in favor of the workers; this will destabilize the capitalist system and open up further issues, and the process of resolving them all as they come up, in favor of the working class, is the process of socialist transition.

We're not haunted by futures that didn't happen (whatever that means - you know deep down it's just an academic's flourish), we're haunted by the past and it's troubling to me that you lay out a whole post on the past only to bring out the concept of anything other than that same past haunting our present. You're weakening your message by hiding a seed of idealism in it out of intellectual vanity.

>>2535880
good essay but you repeated a few parts -

It sort of sounds like you think the liberal revolution was never really completed - I agree this was true for most America's history but after civil rights and sharecropping ended in the 1950s-1960s, America did come closer to being a true "bourgeois" liberal democracy - The revolution of 1968 sort of completed the revolution of 1776 in your terminology.

one major issue i haven't seen brought up much with nukes is naval warfare. It might be entirely feasible to have limited nuclear war using nuclear tipped missiles to knock out flees in the middle of the ocean without it being a major escalation risk.

>>2536593
Based Analysis Comrade, Global Nuclear War wont just allow for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, its limited Cooling affects (not the scary “Nuclear Winter” conspiracy theory the MSM peddles, but just some cooler Winters with more Snow and Rain) will also completely reverse Global Warming, like, the International Haute Bourgeoise and their MSM and Quack “Scientist” puppets don’t want you to know that Nuclear War will literally save the Environment from Global Warming and stop the Ice sheets from melting and the Sea levels from rising, like, it is literally the most Environmentally sustainable thing Humanity can do in the 21st Century, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2536503
Yeah, my "wtf" moment was when Putin said that a few Oreshniks with a conventional or gravity warhead have the same effect as a tactical nuclear weapon. Isn't that an odd thing to say even given that tactical nukes don't have the power of strategic nukes? Tactical nukes are claimed to have at least the power of the nukes dropped on Japan…

>>2536574
Yeah and what we’ve seen are that nukes aren’t takin out whole cities forever or causing world ending damage. I don’t even want to hear anything about Japan because that country was firebombed for days well after the bombs dropped and that sustained firebombing left far more damage than the nukes ever did—mind you this was also when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also at a fraction of the size they’re today.

>>2536593

Most other species would be driven into extinction too. And then whatever evolves after that will be more or less the same as what came before.

They are too busy smearing poorer and less developed places that are trying to liberate themselves from the american empire.

the Europeans who were anti-American lost in the late eighties. The victorious American imperialist compradors have intensified the struggle to eliminate the vestiges of the anti-American movement ever since. By the 2010s, they had already achieved complete success.
Now, even an independentist position held by a centre-right conservative like De Gaulle is seen as 'russophilic and sinophilic' and a threat against 'muh liberal democracy, muh globalised (in reality servility to amerikkka) progress'

>>2536540
>Now, even an independentist position held by a centre-right conservative like De Gaulle is seen as 'russophilic and sinophilic'

This is true. Lol for example both socdems and conservatives in Germany have had their gaullist wings splintered off, even forming new parties.

>>2536575
they were talking about De Gaulle.

/edu/ is somewhat similar to this
>picrel
are you interested in tung padevat files and/or other official publications of Democratic Kampuchea?

>>2536149
real proles ride in the tachanka

>>2535771
>This sounds identical to the defenses offered by Ukrainian guys who get called on their tattoos
speaking of he literally was praising azov battalion on reddit in 2019

>>2535844
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>>2535199
Their error was not starting an insurgent group, but waging insurgency wayyy before they even came close to being able to win, or even benefit from such a situation. Focoism won't work in the US. Really any strategies of protracted hot insurgency are doomed because of a lack of jungle and semi-feudal conditions. The type of party or insurgent group we need is one that accumulates forces until it's strong enough to transition to the offensive. It has to focus on gaining moral supremacy among the people and educating workers. Every action has to be broadly popular to the most oppressed. Some examples of their day to day activity might be face to face educational work, organizing community self defense, striking military infrastructure involved in unpopular war (like those manufacturing weapons for Israel), liberating the most infamous prisons and camps, engaging in mutual aid (within the party or front orgs/societies also involved in political education to ensure mutuality, as opposed to charity) that goes beyond food pantries, e.g. collective funds as insurance or loans, professionals donating their skills to other members, help with employment and housing, etc., and taxing harmful businesses where possible, meanwhile infiltrating local governments and essential infrastructure. Eventually taking out and replacing whole precincts and possibly councils if they seem unable to represent the people due to inbuilt undemocratic measures. Eventually engaging in socialist construction, e.g. undercutting monopolies with local small industry, building housing, expropriating landlords and monopolies (especially utilities), enforcing some changes to school curriculums, transferring surveillance apparatus to party control, setting up local munitions and weapons production, and creating recruitment pipelines in all captured institutions.

>>2536431
The problems of a 'merimutt.

structural racism isnt "real" as in its a loosely defined abstraction used more by people who want to join the middle classes, but racism is a much more concrete phenomenon

>>2536233
Britain is going to break apart like Yugoslavia and it’ll be glorious

>>2536199
>>2536219
homophobic faggot

>>2536238
Cope and seethe

>>2536161
Future? this was the 90's and after. Are you legitimately retarded?

Jannies, /QDDTOT' this, probably some fag with a personality disorder sliding.

>>2536161
aren't they self-proclaimed corporatists ?

>>2532911
Leftcom: Enemy Unknown

>>2533652
Yup. They say Marx was racist and ableist so they replace him in universities with Foucault, who was a literal pefophile.

>>2533620
It is amazing how much of a self-inflicted wound their collapse in support especially with men has been. Just continually promote the dumbest most unsustainable viewpoints and ugliest imagery possible, what could go wrong? Unfortunately most of the people at the top responsible for this aren't going to be the ones facing the consequences of this, many such cases.

>>2533830
If Trumpers told people not to drink gasoline, ShitLibs would be chugging it by the gallon. That’s how fucking pathetic and worthless US politics is.

They will bomb at the midterms for being useless and then blame Russia.

>>2458379
So the ultimate result of your policy would be that a few thousand gays are sent to Europe AKA ethnically cleansed from their homeland to make lebensraum for Israel while everyone else dies. But I suppose in 30 years Israel will "repent" for everything they've done and invite those surviving gays back to receive an apology from the president of Israel, since they no longer need to be militant supremacists and can start repairing their PR after they've fully cleansed and annexed Gaza and the West Bank and whatever other land they want, so that makes it all better.

>>2401787
Mostly just seems to defend national bourgeois interests but that is honestly a progressive cause in post-colonial countries like Bukina Faso. No need to hate him no need to glaze him. Critical support n allathat.

>>2401787
Russian simp + anti-LGBT oppressor. We shouldn't make excuses for someone just because they throw around a few terms that they openly oppose in the policies they implement.

>>2527528
fuckoff dumbfuck lib

Can there be progressive national struggles after the dissolution of the colonial system and the counter-revolution in the USSR?

An easy answer would be to simply point out thte palestian struggle. However besides the just side of the war from the side of the palestinian resistance
We can point out that the international attitudes towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be classified into four main categories, that have antagonistic intrests that can be assimilited in the intra-imperialist struggles. First, the open supporters of Israel —the US, UK, NATO member states and leading EU powers (France, Germany)— who politically, militarily and economically support the Israeli state, the Euro-Atlantic axis. Second, the powerful capitalist states of the emerging Eurasian alliance, mainly Russia and China, which maintain a cautious stance, promoting the creation of an independent Palestinian state and a peaceful solution, but aiming to strengthen their own geopolitical and economic interests. Third, regional powers in the Middle East, such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, which sometimes cooperate and sometimes clash with the US and Israel, selectively supporting the Palestinians when it serves their interests. Saudi Arabia has suspended rapprochement with Israel, Turkey is reconsidering energy projects with Tel Aviv, while Egypt is concerned about refugee flows and the strengthening of Hamas. Finally, states such as Iran, Lebanon (through Hezbollah) and Syria are more directly involved, supporting the Palestinian resistance and maintaining an open conflict with Israel, making a generalized conflagration in the region possible.
It is obvious that the palestinian struggle does mot aim at socialist revolution but the formation of a state in general. That is necessary. However, can we say that it is progressive if the national struggle is not conmected with the social struggle? Can national indipendence even be achieved without socialism?

Imo, the delusions of multipolarism are dangerous.
They are traps against the formation of an independent peoples movement and end up assimilating any resistance against western imperialism in the intrests of the part of the national bourgeoisie that wants to allign with Russia and China. Most importantly, these delusiona conceal the eurasian imperialist camp that is begining to take form.
For example, the kicking out of french imperialism from the sahel zone isPost too long. Click here to view the full text.