[ home / rules / faq ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internet about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)
What is 6 - 3?

Not reporting is bourgeois

| Catalog | Home
|

 

I read thru this whole thing (22 pages) and while it made some interesting points the idea overall is absurd

Why are anarchist like this? It literally shits on Marxist for thinking maybe work can help in some ways?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
92 posts and 12 image replies omitted.

It's always Anarchists and MLists arguing with each other…
For what reason? We currently have bigger fish to fry.
Is unity amongst leftists too much to ask for? Even temporarily?
Why not compromise and come up with some Luxemburgian, Council Communist, or Libertarian Socialist middle ground where neither side gets what they necessarily want, but which both sides can tolerate?

>>2230879
Nah It's more fun to jerk off to history

>>2230873
Communism isn’t going to be established by some preexisting plan
Do you have even the faintest fucking acquaintance with Marx’s actual outlook and the basis of dialectical and historical materialism?
I know this sounds flippant but it’s an issue of you being unable to even comprehend the outlook I’m approaching you with (Marxism)

>>2230891
To me it seems that educating the public is vital but the reality is propaganda really advanced under Goebbels and has been refined a lot since to the point we'll see tailered propaganda based on a user profile soon enough.
How do you spread the message?

>>2230722
Because that is not their job, the same way spycops simply at at the top of Leftist orgs all through the Cold War and 1990s while not arresting people, but largely just having the ability to direct the movement.
Anarchists have an overwhelmingly outsided influence on the Western Left. Because the Western left acts far more as a youth-counter culture than an actual movement and is based largely on an oppression olympics dynamic, this means that Anarchists always pushing for the most shallow moralfag and "radical" solutions are the onest that have most social cache among Western leftists, thus absolutely fucking RETARDED Anarkiddie ideas and bullshit get pushed through the Left to the top levels.
Hence you get leftist politicians spouting ACAB despite it being a toxic position among the electorate, Anarchists are often used to push a "radical" veneer to Neoliberalism like "Defund" which is really just Privatization and Land Bank which is literally trademarked by a fucking REAL ESTATE firm. What happens when you give a national park and public forests to small time PRIVATE holders? they sell. It's anarchists who push all this bullshit and because it sounds "radical" and "moral" it's what the left follows. Then when the inevitable blowblack happens, Leftists always have to "Actually defund doesn't mean defund blah blah" FdB tackles this part here
https://web.archive.org/web/20211108155321/https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/please-just-fucking-tell-me-what
On top of this, have you never ever found it suss how Anarkiddies always seem to align with US foreign policy on almost any fucking position? Or how Anarkiddies push mass petty lumpenprole adventurism which just lets the state crack down on the Left even harder? or how Anarkiddies seem to elevate fucking Lumpenprole antisocial sociopaths and psychopaths above the fucking Working Class?
Anarchism is a toxic immature movement that I know, as fact, from the source itself, is controlled by fucking Feds. It's not "I think they are controlled by feds" it's literally 100%, I have confirmation from a friend at the time who worked, at the top of the Attorney Generals, is in the media representing AG, that Anarchists are riddled fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



File: 1745035298431.jpg (62.09 KB, 725x550, Weatherby.jpg)

 

> Behavioral science is bullshit

> Over the last two years, a series of articles has revealed that the superstars of the field are in all likelihood frauds, their methods and conclusions generally bunk. First came Dan Ariely, author of 2008’s Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions and the inspiration behind NBC’s middling primetime drama The Irrational. Ariely has made his career studying dishonesty and the heuristics and biases that humans use to make decisions, revealing the unconscious patterns of our actions. But in September 2023, Gideon Lewis-Kraus published a long article in The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/09/they-studied-dishonesty-was-their-work-a-lie) revealing that Ariely had cooked his books, manipulating experiment data on his way to publishing deals, bestseller lists, consulting gigs, and a sinecure helming Duke’s Center for Advanced Hindsight. The article also singled out Ariely’s sometime collaborator, the Harvard Business School psychology professor Francesca Gino, for manipulating her own data to produce splashy, attention-generating outcomes. The following month, the New York Times published a report on Gino—whom Harvard put on leave and threatened to strip of tenure—and her battles with the investigative unit Data Colada, which audits scientific papers.The irony was in the headlines: dishonesty researchers had been caught in a lie.


> The fraud charges continue to spread. In the January issue of The Atlantic, Daniel Engber detailed (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/01/business-school-fraud-research/680669/) the extent of the rot. Engber focused on another collaborator of Ariely and Gino’s, Juliana Schroeder, who self-audited her own work after the revelations and appears to have—accidentally?—proven that she also manipulated data in her research into social behavior and the way we understand other minds. The “science” might be fraudulent, its conclusions unreplicable, but it seems that, felix fortuna, someone forgot to tell business schools, media outlets, TV executives, and publishing houses—because
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2232165
burgers are still stuck in 18th century philosophy and still haven't moved on from positivism

wait till these ppl investigate evopsych lmao



File: 1742427243312.png (1.19 MB, 900x494, ClipboardImage.png)

 

Were Marx and Engels cooking or cooked?
Was it just feudalism with chinese characteristics?
Was it a trotskyist conspiracy to defame gallant revolutionaries like Chiang Kai-Shek?
Was it orientalist?
Is hydraulic despotism real?
What do you think about the tributary mode of production model?

Discuss the asiatic mode of production, its validity, relations of production and place in the schema of historical materialism.
Also general histmat thread.
33 posts and 4 image replies omitted.

>>2232035
Like slaves have ceased to exist as a distinct class but slavery still contributes to an important strata of the working class. Same as capitalism never eliminated rent. The proletariat proper are primarily concerned with labor exploration but rent and slavery are still extremely important concerns for understanding the full economy.

>>2230979
Interesting post, thanks schitzoanon

File: 1745035041484.png (1.74 MB, 1280x902, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2230979
> At the end of Ancient Socialism, the Priests class becomes corrupted with private property, combines with the Warrior class to become a proper ruling class. The time was around 3000 BC in the Old World.

the palette of narmer predates this and shows an already highly developed hierarchical society. Narmer united upper and lower egyptian kingdoms which had already existed for a long time in the 31st century BCE

>>2193790
"Asiatic" mode of production didn't relate to China or East Asia, it related to Uruk, Babylon, Assyria etc Asian countries

>>2230979
These 3 videos explain very well the end of hunter gatherer society and the rise of what we call civilization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-bQx0ZtHUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b90oSidoHUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowNRbEdqPQ



File: 1744841523647-0.png (3.35 KB, 225x225, Untitled.png)

File: 1744841523647-1.png (274.61 KB, 1754x1080, ClipboardImage.png)

 

Whenever there is discourse over the historical movements of marxism leninism, people discuss a variety of revolutions and revolutionary organizations all over the globe. Movements which aren't discussed however, are the Trotskyite ones. This of course stems from the fact that Trotskyism is a grift and is used to divide the real movementm and the fact that they are pretty unimportant.
Nevertheless I'm still curious if any trotskyite organisation ever had any real impact on the political situation in any country, and i use the word "successful" very loosely
16 posts and 4 image replies omitted.

File: 1744927155638-0.png (641.47 KB, 610x541, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1744927155638-1.png (116.99 KB, 275x183, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1744927155638-2.png (124.76 KB, 290x174, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1744927155638-3.png (138.75 KB, 177x285, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1744927155638-4.png (53.69 KB, 150x150, ClipboardImage.png)

>>2229047
BASED AND ALAN WOODS PILLED

>>2229051
you guys dont remember good time chavez. It was funny for a while. Smells like sulfur and stuff. heh.

I have no idea what all these RC* orgs are doing, but it so happens that I personally hate every person that has one of these orgs in their bio.
I actually like Trotsky btw.

Did any Trots ever apologise for Krondstadt?

>>2227889
If you want a serious answer and not just a sarcastic dismissal: Off the top of my head the Cuban revolution had a pretty significant Trotskyist influence, though they were by far not the decisive element. After the revolution this element had the most sway with Che Guevara, but was pretty much purged after Che's departure from government and Posadas' polemics around the Cuban missile crisis. Trotskyism also birthed Marcyism, which is by far the dominant "Communist" ideology in the United States right now both officially in PSL, WWP, CPI and de facto in the CPUSA and ACP. Whether you call that a "success" or a sign of the massive bourgeoisification of labor in the US is up to you.



File: 1744940005856.mp4 (2.55 MB, 640x352, KK9l7r.mp4)

 

🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<”I’M PISSED” edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth

🏈 💵 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md

📺 Live News 📺
(sponsored by USAID)
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
600 posts and 148 image replies omitted.

>>2232063
My personal schizo theory is that while hitler's dream of an aryan world empire centralized in a germanic reich failed, the nazi vision of a grand eurocentric world order succeeded as the collapsed nazi state was parted out and largely absorbed by the western powers at the time especially america and this Helter Skelter shit is just their vision for mankind, especially now that it seems that specific world order is coming to an end. I could go on about how trump is supposed to be their new Hitler and how they were planning this shit since the 60s and bankrolling their own esoteric nazi prophets like manson. Obviously this is all paranoid schizo shit.

>>2232103
>other sites as slurs
What?

>>2232122
I'm starting to think most conspiracy theories really are just marketing gimmicks

>>2232071
>bulldozing homes to put in apartment buildings is le good
Nah

>>2231993
Stand your ground is only there to protect whites. It doesn’t work for black people.
Look up Marcus Wilson.



File: 1741604882588.png (3.28 KB, 275x183, images.png)

 

I've been looking more and more into libertarian socialism and its types and i cant stop the idea of thinking it just cant work in today environment with all the capitalists and imperialist states and govss, as soon as the a nation becomes if it were to say libertarian socialist any gov will just attack it and try to take it over either direct military conflict or throw inside attacks, and due to the lack of proper planned industrialization and command military system it will not be able to fend off, or for the fact how would the communes/federations even function if one disagrees or even want their to create their own state and so they try to fight other communes/federations, and so on. and how would high level education work, how do you know if doctors or engineers are even capable to pass or not ?, or how would hospitals or and h ow would medicine be made, or constructions or justice system, and welfare, child education,etc

Could anyone explain this to me ?
113 posts and 2 image replies omitted.

>>2231186
>MLs just post on forums and twitter about how much they hate all other leftists and how all other leftists are actually liberals.
if all you do is post on forums and twitter about how much they hate all other leftists then thats all you will see. principled MLs support everything you listed in addition to AES

>>2182822
>can't work today
It could not have worked in any era comrade
It is idealist nonsense

>>2231689
>>2231186
Marxism-Leninism is the pinnacle of human thought. That Marxism-Leninism exists is as impressive as General relativity and Quantum mechanics. How tf did close cousins of the chimpanzee arrive at such deep level of understanding of nature is beyond me

If Chomsky is any indication libertarian socialist is just a principled socialists who feel the word socialist has been contaminated by the USSR, and the modern state and so need to add the libertarian proviso to the label. In actual fact a libertarian socialist probably isn't too different from a socialist, if it was they would just call themselves anarchists.

>>2231716
>libertarian socialist is just a principled socialists who feel the word socialist has been contaminated by the USSR
>a libertarian socialist probably isn't too different from a socialist
Chomsky is representative of an enormous difference in understanding how to actually achieve libertarian objectives, rooted in his rejection of dialectical materialism. Rather then contaminated, the USSR was a perfect example of real socialism, and the rejection of it is based on a severely idealist misunderstanding of Marxism that bases its thought in abstract individualist human rights, that are set by legal decree or democratic agreement, rather than from building the material productive forces that actually serve as the social foundation for enabling those rights to exist. Right to housing food and medical care does not come from a legal document, it comes from building houses, farms, hospitals and universities.



File: 1745012197948.jpg (169.12 KB, 1403x950, ominous_pppa.jpg)

 

80 killed in deadliest US attack on Yemen, Huthis say
Images broadcast by a Huthi-run television channel showed large blazes lighting up the night sky following the latest in an intensified barrage of attacks under US President Donald Trump. Huthi media later reported fresh strikes in and around the capital Sanaa on Friday night.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2025/04/80-killed-deadliest-us-attack-yemen-huthis-say

Trump administration orders Gaza-linked social media vetting for visa applicants
The order to conduct a social media vetting for all immigrant and non-immigrant visas should include non-governmental organization workers as well as individuals who have been in the Palestinian enclave for any length of time in an official or diplomatic capacity, the cable said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-orders-gaza-linked-social-media-vetting-visa-applicants-2025-04-17/

Israel prevents West Bank Christians from marking Good Friday in Jerusalem
The Old City and the area around the church — where the tomb of Christ is located — have been placed under a heavy Israeli police presence. Hundreds of Christians did manage to march through the alleys of the Old City, participating in the Stations of the Cross along the Via Dolorosa (the "Way of Sorrows") towards the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, amid a noticeable presence of Israeli security forces.
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-stops-palestinians-marking-good-friday-jerusalem

Italian opposition file complaint over far-right party’s use of ‘racist’ AI images
Over the past month, dozens of apparently AI‑generated photos have appeared on the League’s social channels, including on Facebook, Instagram and X. The images frequently depict men of colour, often armed with knives, attacking women or police officers.
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
1 post omitted.

tybna

The global arms race intensifies: Imperialism, militarism, and capitalism
As the world becomes a more dangerous place, it seems we are once again being asked by our governments to love the bomb. Trump’s policy of increasing isolationism, with threats to withdraw US support for Ukraine and NATO, has created a state of panic among the European powers. They are running around like headless chickens. If America pulls back, they fret, who is going to defend Europe? Can French and British nuclear weapons provide protection to the rest of the continent? If not, should other countries seek to develop such capacities? In the rush to rearm, Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, has raised the idea of Poland acquiring a nuclear arsenal. German officials have been wondering aloud whether they should follow suit. Of course, much of this growing chorus – of the need for the bomb, again the bomb, and once more the bomb – is bluff and bluster. The Europeans, especially Macron, are like the mouse that roared. Nevertheless, there is a serious side to such rhetoric. Fearful of a resurgent Russia, with Putin winning the war in Ukraine, European leaders all agree that defence spending must rise – and rapidly! According to Sir Keir Starmer: “Russia is a menace in our waters, in our airspace, and on our streets.” And accompanying this mania for greater militarism and more state expenditure on ‘defence’ is the need to prepare public opinion for the massive sacrifices that lie ahead, in terms of savage cuts to welfare and services.
https://communist.red/the-global-arms-race-intensifies-imperialism-militarism-and-capitalism/

The resignation of LACAHSA CEO Ryan Johnson and the financialization of homelessness in Los Angeles
The abrupt resignation of Ryan Johnson as interim CEO of the Los Angeles County Affordable Housing Solutions Agency (LACAHSA) reveals the true character a project that was always designed to serve private capital, not the public good. Far from a failure of vetting or due diligence, Johnson’s appointment—and now his exit—was part of a deliberate strategy by Los Angeles County politicians and their financial backers to transform homelessness from a humanitarian crisis into a lucrative profit opportunity. Johnson, whose tenure will end this fall, wasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

tybns

>>2231984
THANK YOU BASED NEWS ANON I mean

Thanks News Anon



File: 1745026795396-0.jpg (40.91 KB, 720x232, 1.jpg)

File: 1745026795396-1.jpg (23.6 KB, 693x223, 2.jpg)

 

https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/pubs/sojournertruth/marxslavery.pdf

Lol Jesus Christ this is possibly the stupidest instance of quote-mining to defend the stupidest position on the subject that I have ever seen.

This is incredibly stupid and a useless paper. Why bother writing something if you're just going to confusedly collate Marx quotes with a single sentence of writing between them? And using a stylistic device from Marx to justify calling serfs and slaves proletarians is lol. From the start an undertaking of petty bourgeois small holders, who paid for their own transit to the colonies and managed their own farms. The paper conflates Marx talking about slavery in antiquity with the usage of slave labor in English colonies. They have nothing to do with one another. It never pertained to 'production for consumption' but was a capitalist endeavor from the start, which is why it was widely opposed by self sufficient planters in the 17th century. Marx wrongly put in an inconsequential comment about 'immediate local consumption' and whoever wrote this, for some reason, turned it into the crux of the development of American slavery through a crisis of feudalism.



File: 1745012390845.jpeg (10.6 KB, 269x371, IMG_2571.jpeg)

 

I NEED 4chan BACK AHHHHH IM GOING INSANE IVE READ/SKIMMED THE ENTIRE CATALOG

AWWWWWWW


BODY TOO SHOET OR EMPTY
Body too short or empty
Body too shorty or empty
13 posts omitted.

>>2231853
You know we're in the midst of the blackest reaction when the literal Nazi knows better tips for proselytizing people than the alleged communists at "lefty" /pol/ dot ogre

>>2231853
>autistic slog
It explains to you in clear detail how fucked capitalist economics for the workers are. There is no excitement in that.

>>2231857
“threads of yarn”
repeat 1000

also I disagree with the last part of your comment textbooks on neoliberal economics are often full of pictures and diagrams and even simple English explaining everything

>>2231853
Ignore the pseuds trying to get you to immediately read Das Kapital. It's important sure but it's pretty dry reading and not good entry level material. If you want something entry level to communism I would highly recommend At the Cafe by Errico Malatesta. Technically it's an anarchist work, however Malatesta was a big fan of Marx and translated Das Kapital into Italian so as far as anarchists go he's considered pretty adjacent to communism. At The Cafe is a concise and easy to understand Socratic dialogue about the origins of private property and the functionality of anarchism, presented as a series of arguments between fictional characters

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-at-the-cafe

Much easier to digest than Das Kapital and if nothing else should give you a view of where we're coming from.

Why would you enjoy using 4chan? it's a shithole that is only used by people because of nostalgia.



File: 1744608990707.jpg (69.45 KB, 576x566, idpol2.jpg)

 

The BLACK PILL: A Materialist analysis

TLDR: the blackpill is just the hyper–individualism and transactionality inculcated in the minds of people under late stage neoliberal capitalism

I've been thinking a lot about the blackpill stuff lately,

The old ways, were pretty simple, Men and women had roles, they stuck to them, and the family unit was the cornerstone of society. You didn’t ask if you wanted to get married or have kids, you just did it because that was the right thing to do. It was more about duty – to your family, your country, your faith – than it was about personal happiness. You weren’t chasing the one or finding someone to “complete you," it was just about fulfilling your role. I get how that sounds a bit stifling, but honestly, it gave people structure and a sense of meaning.

Fast forward to today, and we’ve moved away from that. Now we’ve got this world where every decision is hyper–individualized – and that includes relationships. Everything is transactional. Love, marriage, even friendships, are all on a kind of market where you pick what fits best with your personal goals. And yeah, it has its upsides. I mean, you’ve got the freedom to pursue your own happiness, your own path. But the problem is, in the process, we've lost a lot of the stability and meaning that came with being part of something bigger than ourselves. Like, there's a lot of pressure to always be choosing what’s best for me, and that makes it hard to form deep, lasting connections. It’s a bit like we’re all adrift in a sea of options and we can’t anchor ourselves.

Some guys, particularly the blackpill types, feel like they're just being settled for. They see themselves as second or third choices for women who’ve gone through a few other relationships first. This is a big part of their resentment – they feel like, in the modern world, relationships are more about what you can offer at the moment, and less about long–term commitment. And yeah, I can see why that sucks – no one wants to be the person someone settles for.

Now, here's where the conservative angle comes in. They argue that without the old systems – the ones that made us get married young, have kids, and stay committed to these family structures – civilization is basically doomed. They claim we’re headed toward a future where families break down, kids aren’t born, and society falls apart because no oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
38 posts and 4 image replies omitted.

>>2230862
Truth nukes dropping like World War3 lol

How quickly leftists turn into Hiterlites when it comes to common reddit talk pieces like "preferences" ironically they give themselves away. I saw a thought slime video of you don't talk to fascists, you talk down to them. Basically just bully them, tell them to shutup, silence them

The same needs to be done to them. Like when some roastie says her exclusively white, 6'7 cishit normative attraction is just a preference "stfu Hitler".

>noone owes you a relationship

Actually, you do. You owe me everything. That's why we're getting socialism cause i am owed SO FUCKING MUCH from SO MANY PEOPLE stfu white boy and gimme my gibs me dats. I work, you don't, i feel, you don't, i think, you don't.

You exist solely as reparations to me.
Anyone not bouncing on this dick, giving me money, or at least giving me the benefit of the doubt and soft agreeing is a class traitor.

Leftypol once again proves itself to be hipster 4chan

>>2231608
Yeah, better off just reading

>>2231608
Sure buddy go touch grass and ready a book for once. Maybe Murry Bookchin up your ally maybe Bordiga since you wanna do nothing.

>>2230860
>>2230862
>>2231012
>>2231585
>>2231608
>>2231613
your ip and real email address will never leave the internet, transhumanist janny



Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]
[ 1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 /10 /11 /12 /13 /14 /15 /16 /17 /18 /19 /20 /21 /22 /23 /24 /25 /26 /27 /28 /29 /30 /31 /32 /33 /34 /35 /36 ]
| Catalog | Home