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I keep seeing this bait posted:

>>2719727
>Marx was a zionist who praised the US conquest of Mexico and tried to move to Texas

>>2689654
>I can and I will, Marx was a proto zionist, his writings on America confirm it, he even tried to become a settler in Texas

>>2689640
>Marx would have been a zionist too had he lived to see 1948 and especially 1967, he’s dead and his opinions don’t matter

>>2684654
>Fuck marx and fuck marxists, all pieces of shit, all Zionists outside of Palestine

>>2684652
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>>2720690
>"Marx supported the genocide and settler colonialism of the American indigenous people by the proto-Jeffrey Epstein transnational sex slave trafficking class, because Marx saw those bourgeois proto-redditors as more productive and likely to do bourgeois revolutions and primitive accumulation to develop the means of production to 'end barbarism'. Marx would celebrate the enslavement and genocide of indigenous peoples sustainable primitive communism so the proletariat could build Ford assembly lines and AI data centers"
the trvthnvke /leftypol/ can't handle
this is why I don't classify myself as a Marxist
to be a true Marxist you have to hate Slavs, hate Mexicans, hate Jews, hate gays (Marx condemned "pederasty"), and all sorts of other baggage that doesn't matter to an actual socialist revolution. true marxists are all post-marxist aka Leninists Stalinists Trotskyists Maoists etc.

>>2722461
what a crock of shit

This htread is further proof that Marx was extremely based

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>>2720469
he was historical-necessity and historical-progress pilled

>>2762136
Wrong. Today, the lazy cracker are the volkerabfalle. The mexicans are energetic. Marx and engels would love mexicans today



 

Everyone right now should be hoping and preparing for AI to be successful in replacing large amounts of knowledge labor. It will probably be the thing that genuienly kicks off the start of a true resurgence in the communist movement. 2008 revived socialism theoretically and planted the seeds of the movement to come. The post-war blip of high-paying white collar jobs in first world countries was in hindsight a historical blip and AI is setting things back to how they once were in a desperate attempt to save the rate of profit.

The conditions for it are really perfect. Displaced white collar workers are educated and socially progressive so they are unlikely to be swept up into right wing populism, unlike displaced manufacturing workers. They'll be forced into low wage and precarious work pushing down wages in those sectors.

Social Democracy isn't an option this time. Social democracy requires a large domestic manufacturing base to tax profits to fund a welfare state, in the age highly mobile, extremely liquid capital any attempt to fund a UBI will at first be met by intense fury by the capitalists likely killing it before it ever even is passed, and on the off chance it is passed you will see capital flight like never before. Additionally govenments are already up to their necks in debt so they cant fund it with deficit spending.

keynsian monetary policy by central banks would also have little effect, if employment is structurally lowered by AI then lowering interest rates doesnt bring back jobs it just makes credit cheaper to invest in more AI.

Fascism is also a much smaller threat then people realize, for aformentioned reasons displaced white collar workers are unlikely to be drawn into fascism, additionally the class base for fascism just doesnt exist anymore. Fascism was born out of the petit bourgeoisie ruined by the great depression, and the bourgeoisie allowed them to take power in order to crush the workers movements. While they succeeded in the that, it also led to massive destruction of capitalist wealth in ww2, so capitalists are going to be unlikely to want to give power to fascists again, additionally the modern petit bourgeoisie is weak and not a threatening force in politics like they were in the 1930s.

So if Social Democracy can't work as a compromise anymore and fascism is no longer possible then that makes the conditions for socialist revolution much more favorable in the coming decades.
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I agree that jobless intelligentsia is required for a revolution.
However, has job killing technology ever resulted in radicalization? Is there a single labor or trades union that has every went on strike over the addition of automation? Even cashiers don't organize against self-checkout lanes.

>>2762133
the luddites?

Your dutch tulips will do as all the other dutch tulips did

>>2725697
>very close to profitability
<bro
<just one more round of venture capital
<trust me bro
<just another ten billion
<please bro
<one more round of multiple billions
<just one more data center the size of a town

>>2725815
>nonprofit means its neutral
lol, thats not how it works



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9th Edition: THE SITE FUCKING CRASHED LMAO edition.

A lot of images and posts of the last general got broken. So I think it's better to make a new one.

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! Starting off this general with massive wave of cult sex camps.
Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org

Last threads:
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Make anyone else depressed we don't even need coups anymore because freak yellows win elections now? Troglodyte electorate.
>>2687080
>Thailand is becoming the sick man of SEA.
<why?
Because he read some tweet downstream of that FT article.
https://www.ft.com/content/e766f94f-7626-4b60-b997-44ca1b18a4e7

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>>2686564
>Looks like PP got cooked.
This Super Bourgeoisie isn't good guys either. I hope progressives and actual leftists break away from them someday.

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https://www.aol.com/articles/indonesia-arrests-four-military-officers-095135288.html
SUBIANTO’S GOONS GOT ARRESTED FOR ACID ATTACK OF LIBERAL PODCASTERS
Hahahha holy shit

> Indonesian military authorities said on Wednesday that they have arrested four officers allegedly involved in an acid attack on an ‌activist known for his opposition to the expanded role of the military in civilian ‌life.


>Andrie Yunus, a deputy coordinator with the Commission for Missing Persons and Victims of Violence, a rights group also ​known as KontraS, suffered burns to 20% of his face and body from acid thrown by assailants from a motorcycle on March 12.


>The alleged perpetrators were members of an intelligence unit belonging to the military, said Major General Yusri Nuryanto, Commander of Indonesian Armed Forces Military Police, adding ‌that they were also from the ⁠Navy and Air Force.


>"We have now taken the four alleged suspects into custody at military police headquarters and we are conducting a thorough investigation," ⁠he told reporters.


>Since President Prabowo Subianto took office after a landslide 2024 election victory, rights groups and students have expressed concern about the use of the military to implement his policy goals, which ​triggered nationwide ​unrest in August last year.


>The activist was attacked ​after recording a podcast episode about ‌the military's expanding role in Indonesian politics.

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How are my SEA kakis lately? The instability with the Hormuz straits makes me wonder if we could do something similar with the Singapore Straits…

>>2735449
I would rather they break away after PP get into power and goes full republican mode.



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A thread for the forgotten continent, so forgotten the thread got wiped.
Discuss anything related to:
>Algeria
>Angola
>Benin
>Botswana
>Burkina Faso
>Burundi
>Cabo Verde
>Cameroon
>Central African Republic (CAR)
>Chad
>Comoros
>Congo, Democratic Republic of the
>Congo, Republic of the
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>>2708088
Thats maldives with the islamist connection

Mauritius has neither army nor navy.
We are a peace-loving people.
But the Maldivian degenerates are testing our patience.

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U.S. Considers Withholding H.I.V. Aid Unless Zambia Expands Minerals Access

The State Department is considering withholding lifesaving assistance to people with H.I.V. in Zambia as a negotiating tactic to force the government of the southern African country to sign a deal giving the United States more access to its critical minerals.

https://archive.is/b0Iv6#selection-518.0-518.1

So is the RSF in Sudan basically fucked due to the Iran war? How long before they collapse without UAE aid?



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Marxist solution to exploitation:
>be worker
>have full time job
>not enough to pay bills
>get a 2nd job that doesn't pay you anything and which might get you killed called "professional revolutionary"
>start civil war, probably die in civil war
>if survive civil war, probably get purged in party purges after civil war
>if survive party purges, probably have glowie-backed coup
>if survive glowie-backed coup, probably become revisionist and do capitalist restoration
>right back at square 1

Normal solution to exploitation:
>be worker
>have full time job
>not enough to pay bills
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>>2759909
>Two jobs make you a petry bourgeois
Holy shit you fucking idiot, you cannot be this fucking stupid fucking kill yourself you fucking retard

having two jobs is the kind of thing that leads one to develop frivolous, expensive and unhealthy habits like smoking, drinking, gambling, gaming

>>2759670
>exploitation = not having enough money
cool thread retard

>>2760998
This.
>>2761530
Also this.

>>2759670
>right back at square 1
Uhhm no? After surviving the glowie-backed coup, revisionism and capitalist restoration you are now a well respected party apparatchik/people's billionaire/potential revolutionary war hero

problem solved



 

This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators sorted by last name

>Paul Cockshott

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I'm a complete noob in computing. Can anyone of you guys explain what the fuck is being said in this image? It mentions cybernetics so maybe it can be helpful to cyber communism.

>>2761624
Wtf is this? Where did u get it from?

>>2761624
pic HIGHLY related to your pic

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>>2761624
I'm retarted so I asked ShatSloppidy what dat pic mean

>>2761624
most programmers work on easy problems, and problems that can be turned into easy ones. in planning, instead of finding the exact solution for a linear program, which is almost certainly NP, we can instead find an approximate solution, which is P
for an example of spooky things happening in the upper echelons of computing, look into the Busy Beaver problem. castorologists have identified Collatz-esque problems to be the big stumbling block at present, and this is for BB(6). that is, we do not know for how long the longest-running terminating 6-state Turing machine will actually run for
Wikipedia has a nice summary of why the Busy Beaver problem is mathematically relevant:
>One of the most consequential aspects of the busy beaver game is that, if it were possible to compute the functions Σ(n) and S(n) for all n, then this would resolve all mathematical conjectures which can be encoded in the form "does ⟨this Turing machine⟩ halt".[5] For example, there is a 27-state Turing machine that checks Goldbach's conjecture for each number and halts on a counterexample; if this machine did not halt after running for S(27) steps, then it must run forever, resolving the conjecture.[5][7] Many other problems, including the Riemann hypothesis (744 states) and the consistency of ZF set theory (745 states[8][9]), can be expressed in a similar form, where at most a countably infinite number of cases need to be checked.[5]
this is the essence of the "32 bytes" claim in the beginning. 32*8 = 256 bits. a binary S-state Turing machine can be encoded in 2*S*log2(2*S+1) bits. all machines in BB(6) occupy a mere 45 bits, and this class of programs already contains a very hard problem (the Collatz conjecture). the 27-state Goldbach machine mentioned in the WP text would take 313 bits to encode, and it is likely not even the most difficult machine to reason about in that set
this isn't that important for cybernetics however. control theorists are concerned with practical problems



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This sir asmongold has saved my life, I used to be an angry transgender chud, but after watching his funny stream I am liberal conservative king. Many well wishes and love to this glorious one true king.

The hero of the reactionary movement. Great intellect of Evropa.



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>>Wearied by the struggle of life, how many close their eyes, fold their arms, stop short, powerless and discouraged. How many, and they among the best, abandon life as unworthy of continuance. With the assistance of some fashionable theories, and of a prevalent neurasthenia, some men have come to regard death as the supreme liberation.

>>To those who hold this view, society replies with the usual clichés.


>>It speaks of the “moral” purpose of life; argues that one has no right to kill himself, that “moral” sorrows must be borne courageously, that a man has duties, that the suicide is a coward or an “egoist”, etc. etc. All of these phrases are religious in tone; and none of them are of genuine significance in rational discussion.


>>What after all is suicide?


>>Suicide is the final act in a series of actions that we all tend to carry out, which arise from our reaction against our environment, or from that environment’s reaction against us.


>>Every day we commit suicide partially. I commit suicide when I consent to inhabit a dwelling where the sun never shines, a room where the ventilation is so inadequate that I feel like I am suffocated when I wake up.


>>I commit suicide when I spend hours on work that absorbs an amount of energy which I am not able to recapture, or when I engage in activity which I know to be useless.


>>I commit suicide whenever I enter into the barracks to obey men and laws that oppress me.

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>>2760714
>being depressed = petite bourgeois
peak leftoid moment

>>2760795
you are jordan peterson

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>>2760714

It is interesting how low the reading comprehension level of leftypol users is, much lower than I expected. First, I checked my comrade’s post. The excerpt comes from a text written during the era of the Paris Commune and its fall, which reflects a period very different from the Russian Revolution. Lenin was not even a revolutionary at that time; this predates the Russian Revolution by many years.

Yet all you get out of this text is “life sucks.” It seems pretty clear that the conclusion of the text is that assimilation to the material conditions created by capital is a form of suicide, and that choosing life means resistance. That life does not suck, but the material conditions our class is subjected to do. Even if your fearlessness puts the physical body at risk, once you no longer fear death, you become a very strong individual contributing to the collective class struggle. It is wild that you do not see this. The comrade posted pictures; the text is plainly put. In fact, some of the people influenced by texts like this later fought as Bolsheviks.

You comrades really need to brush up on your history and theory. Stop being so linear and repetitive in your knowledge accumulation. Learning to repeat things is not understanding history. Open your minds and stop being so intellectually weak. I never even finished high school, what is the excuse here?

>>2760714
Lenin was a college educated middle peasant and had no children. This was one of those moments where he was just really salty at the neighbors he grew up with because his whole family scared the hoes after his older brother got ACKed at the gallows for being a failed Nechayevite bombthrower.

>>2761474
>I never even finished high school



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A general to compile all news, articles, essays and info related to the Greater Middle East-North Africa region.

Creating this general in an effort to centralize all the info that currently gets posted to 5 different threads concerning conflicts and developments in the MENA region. Seeing how slow they generally are and at risk of getting bumped off besides the Palestine thread and that it’s likely people interested in Yemen, Syria, Iran, Sudan and Palestine are likely also interested in news and info from across the region I think it would be useful to post everything in one place.

This will be the inaugural edition to see how it goes. Welcome!
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>>2707464
>muh blood and soil
All shitholes are fake

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>>2707465
>Anarkid speek
When did I ever say that I was a statist?!?!
Of course I national citizenship is just a social construct and stuff and states are just an instrument of class oppression but most countries had a national identity and unique culture and shit but none of the ones I shared above did, they were just carved up by the British, or I think so that is why I was asking.

>>2707468
yes, but all the gulf countries are fake or amalgamations of previous states, with the exception of perhaps bahrain

>>2742134
>>2742134
>>2742134
JOIN THE FAKHA FESTIVAL

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What is the Marxist take on Solipsism? (Or more acuratelly, metaphysical Solipsism: The idea only the self exists and all the universe is merely an image plastered onto it.) Ive always followed this line of thinking, despite being a materialist in parallel. It just sounds incredibly hard to sincerely refute.
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I think therefore I kill the bourgeoisie

>>2761168 this is such bs lol im sorry if im rude op but this is sooooo fake lol

>>2761168
Im not big fan of this metaphysical philosophical wankery. Every single phenomenon, including your consciousness, your abstract ideas, and your subjective projection of reality, are fundamentally physical.

>>2761255
Supposing that we, somehow, were able to fully copy every last atom of your brain: Would you have two consciences at once? It's fundamentally very hard to trace where our consciousness comes from, and exactly how others would have it. Would you require your exact genetic make up for you to be conscious? Would that not make the chances of ever achieving conciousness near zero consider all historical factors that have to converge for this to happen? And why am I in this body? Why am I inside this particular form and not any else, or even as mentioned previously, multiple at once? I personally believe it's ignorant to fully discard metaphysics, as there's a reasonable limit materialism can describe conciousness.

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>>2761293
Yes, there would be two identical minds at once. From that poing onwards, obviously, they will begin to diverge because being in different points of space will make them subject to slightly different stimuli.

>Would you require your exact genetic make up for you to be conscious? Would that not make the chances of ever achieving conciousness near zero consider all historical factors that have to converge for this to happen?


I don't understand where you're going to here. You need your exact genetic make up in order to have your exact consciousness, but I need a diferent one to have mine. Chances of the present state of things occuring are not relevant to the problem of solipsism or of reductionism. If you are a materialist you believe that "chances" are just a mental model of our ignorance, they are not something that actually exists. God doesn't play dice, and all that.

>And why am I in this body? Why am I inside this particular form and not any else, or even as mentioned previously, multiple at once?

If you are asking why you are inside your particular body you are pressuming that which you are wanting to prove, i.e., that you are something not physical tied somehow to a physical substrate. A materialist doesn't believe this, we believe you are your body, and "consciousness" is simply a word to describe the mental phenomena of your body. It's not necessary to understand the exact nature of consciousness to the last comma to presume it being of a physical nature, it's enough to merely extend to ourselves the knowledge we have of the world. Animals, trees, rocks, planets, parsimony dictates that whatever those things are we must be of the same nature, there is no reason to believe otherwise. So either everything is a soul tied to a body or everything is only body or everything is only soul.

You are on your Descartes era and you must trascend to best philosopher era, our prince Spinoza, the only TRUE materialist metaphyisician.



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