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Why do conservatives call liberal left when they’re not left at all they’re not even Socialism. they’re just as capitalist as conservative every liberal in the United States is a neo liberal i’m right deal with it’s


Because it pushes the overtown window rightwards and effectively excludes real 'leftists' and economic issues from the public conversation.

The equation of leftism with liberals is the greatest propaganda the right has, and it's worked perfectly for them.

>>2179673
Its amerimutt newspeak to control political narratives in favor of right wing.



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I was wondering if you think that chairman Mao would have supported TheLGBTQ+ if you were alive today
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He would be trans

Snow says he would go to meetings naked when it was hot (is this gay?) and Li Zhisui said he had sex with men. Jonathan Mirsky said Mao fucked a 14 year old who later fled to the UK. Who knows if any of this is true, and it's not like the CPC are gonna release this information from the Mao archives anytime soon.

Who cares why do you care

>how would a person from a specific historical context behave if they were transplanted into the present
If they were in the present by any process other than magic like time travel, they would be shaped by the present in the same way they were shaped by the past they're from. But we can't really know that because you know, butterfly effect is a thing.

would Caesar be anti slavery if he were alive today?



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Someone, enlightenment me on why idealism is le bad? I always see people dunking on idealism, but frankly I'm not philosophical versed enough to understand why. Why idealism get such a bad reputation here?
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>>2178878
/thread

>>2177929
Think of it this way. Idealism is like a map. Materialism is like the actual landscape. When a contradiction appears, are you going to reference the map, or the landscape, to resolve it? I think I know which one I would choose

The problem goes even further, sometimes idealists will try to modify the landscape to match the map, for shady reasons. Sometimes through genocide, like when the Nazis had idealized concepts of gender and said trans people must all die because they are attacking those ideals of gender binary.

>>2178043
Tabula rasa in terms of continuity of experiences, in terms of the "ego" and the "superego", the part of you that identifies with your past self. I do agree that rest of the brain (and to a lesser extent the body) definitely determines things, although the brain and the body themselves can still be explained 100% in material terms.

A good comparison is with computer hardware. You can swap out every component of your PC one by one until nothing from the original remains, but if you've kept the contents from your original hard-drive(s) on the new one, and are using the same version of the same operating system with the same configuration, it will function as an extension of the old one. The CPU might be faster, and the GPU may be capable of fancier graphics, both of which will likely impact how you use the computer, and thus populate the hard drive going forward, but you're still running your old software and accessing your old files exactly as you did the old one.

And this metaphor isn't as far fetched as you might think. Your "hardware" as an adult is, on a physical level, completely different from your "hardware" as a child. But you still have memories that were created on that hardware, and thus identify with it.

>>2178054
We're talking about the "consciousness", the "mind", the "soul", not the "body".

Regardless that kind of identity, seeing a thing as a fixed set of matter in space, is, IMO, not a particularly useful way of looking at things. Better to look at things dialectically, in terms of changes and relationships.

>>2178777
but here's the idealist/materialist divide,
since money mediates the economy, would changing money change the economy itself? a materialist says money just *represents* labour, yet an idealist would say labour is just one representation of money, fundamentally. thats why in a subjective theory of value, if i pay for something, i create its value, but to a materialist, value in exchange is always tied to something "necessary" (i.e. physical utility). however, within man is both a necessary and unnecessary expense; thus, society offers him use for both mind and body. plato says man must be taught the art of civilisation (which is why we raise children a certain way), while aristotle says man is a political animal.
>>2179031
your analogy fails when you imagine the human mind being tied to a human body, and specifically, an individual mind to an individual body. aristotle saw how within the substantiality of man there are two natures; his formal, or ideal and material. for example, what would it mean to put our consciousness into the body of a worm? its inconceivable since it is theoretically impossible, unless you imagine the mind having an objective separation from the body, but at this point you just become an idealist in reverse, except an uncritical one. for example, the empiricist and kantian both imagine the mind to be linked to the senses; what would it mean then for the mind to exist in empty space, say, in a "hard drive"? in this case, there is no mind, just like in death, when the soul and body depart. thus, the mind is tied to the body in which it has its experiences in. this is also the curious case whereby the jewish and christian "afterlife" is a physical resurrection, not an ethereal dream.
>>2178784
>What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? [james 2:14 kjv]
>>2178878
but the gun still exists in concept. you cant kill an idea since ideas are eternal in the mind.

>>2179011
> Think of it this way. Idealism is like a map. Materialism is like the actual landscape. When a contradiction appears, are you going to reference the map, or the landscape, to resolve it? I think I know which one I would choose
Your analogy is situational. Think of it this way. Idealism is a blueprint of a home. Materialism the end result. When a contradiction appears, are you going to reference the home alone or the blueprint on what seems off?



 

Why do the communists "disdain to conceal their aims?" Would some subterfuge and subtlety not massively benefit the movement? In countries absolutely brainfucked by the cold war and the anticommunist emigre complex (like the burger reich), would it not make sense to attempt and smuggle Communism to the masses under another name, but the same premises? The premises of communism are very popular, but as soon as you use the name, people recoil in terror due to their programming. Does not a rose by any other name smell the same?
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Maga communism

>>2177077
>all the actually existing socialist states adopting a Proudhonist republican government model.
!!!! explain!!!!
i've never heard this before!

thats how you rapidly surrounded yourself with idiots and people who hate you and delude yourself its actually secretly a good thing. at least if youre failing you should be able to recognize youre failing

>>2179264
well anon, it all started with the Paris Commune, whose martyrdom is the reason we have the red flag. Perhaps this video will elucidate you.

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>>2179264
or this one, which is much more explicit



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US mulls plan to disrupt Iran's oil by halting vessels at sea
Trump officials are now looking at ways for allied countries to stop and inspect ships sailing through critical chokepoints such as the Malacca Strait in Asia and other sea lanes, according to six sources who asked not to be named due to the sensitive subject.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-mulls-plan-disrupt-irans-oil-by-halting-vessels-sea-2025-03-06/

Residents protest in Al-Suwiadaa, amid calls for activating role of general security service
This comes as a part of a series of security measures implemented by Israeli forces in the region amid anticipation of potential field developments. Yesterday, SOHR sources reported that Israeli forces infiltrated into Be’er Al-Ajam Town in Al-Qonaitara countryside on borders with the occupied Al-Golan, backed by military machineries and heavy weapons.
https://www.syriahr.com/en/357291/

Revealed: Israeli military creating ChatGPT-like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data
“AI amplifies power,” said a source familiar with the development of Unit 8200’s AI models in recent years. “It’s not just about preventing shooting attacks, I can track human rights activists, monitor Palestinian construction in Area C [of the West Bank]. I have more tools to know what every person in the West Bank is doing.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/06/israel-military-ai-surveillance

Brazil Justice denies extending defense of coup plotting general
Once again, De Moraes rejected the extension of the deadline and thus, the team has until tomorrow to respond to the indictment. In addition, the defense again claimed not to have access to all the necessary documents. However, the speaker responded that the lawyers already have “ample access to the evidence already documented, including the evidence mentioned in the complaint.”
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>>2179194
>“It’s not just about preventing shooting attacks, I can track human rights activists, monitor Palestinian construction in Area C [of the West Bank]. I have more tools to know what every person in the West Bank is doing.”

Wtf

Trump pauses Canada-Mexico tariffs again, but stocks sink
Commerce secretary Howard Lutnick said in a statement that the administration would still impose across-the-board reciprocal tariffs on April 2, actions that could impact Canada and Mexico. "Hopefully Mexico and Canada will have done a good enough job on fentanyl that this part of the conversation will be off the table and we will move just to reciprocal tariff conversation," Lutnick said.
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/06/trump-tariffs-mexico-pause-sheinbaum

Butterfly population in US shrinking by 22% over last 20 years, study shows
Butterflies may be among the most beloved of all creatures, routinely deified in art and verse, but they are in alarming decline in the United States with populations plummeting by a fifth in just the past two decades, according to the most comprehensive study yet of their fortunes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/declining-butterfly-populations

Senate votes to overturn IRS' DeFi broker rule
Both regulations, the IRS' DeFi broker rule and a digital-payments rule from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, are viewed by the crypto industry as overly burdening and crimps to financial innovation.
https://www.axios.com/2025/03/05/biden-crypto-regulations-irs-vote

Trump won't sign executive order to dissolve Department of Education today: Sources
Behind the scenes, there was concern among top administration officials about the blowback the order would receive and the lack of messaging in place ahead of the rollout. Specifically, how the administration would answer questions about how the executive order would impact the school lunch program along with other programs that could no longer exist.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-preparing-executive-order-telling-education-secretary-dissolve/sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Let’s Strengthen the Struggle for the National and Democratic Rights of the Kurdish People! — MLKP
For 26 years, Kurdish peoples leader Abdullah Öcalan has been held in special isolation on Imralı Island. He issued a “Call for Peace and a Democratic Society,” declaring his historical responsibility to end the armed struggle and dissolve the armed forces, in order to create conditions that recognize the fundamental democratic rights and freedoms of both the Kurdish and Turkish peoples. He called on the PKK to convene an extraordinary congress to decide on this matter. According to this call, he stated that new practical steps could only be made through political and legal arrangements by the state and that Turkey could not solve its ongoing crisis without democratic changes and transformations.
https://abolitionmedia.noblogs.org/17327/

(Excerpt) Michael Parenti Blackshirts and Reds
“Left anticommunists find any association with communist organizations to be morally unacceptable because of the ‘crimes of communism.’ Yet many of them are themselves associated with the Democratic Party in this country, either as voters or members, seemingly unconcerned about the morally unacceptable political crimes committed by leaders of that organization."
https://espressostalinist.com/2014/07/30/michael-parenti-on-left-support-for-the-democratic-party/

Alexandra Kollontai: Prostitution and ways of fighting it
Our Soviet workers’ republic has inherited prostitution from the bourgeois capitalist past, when only a small number of women were involved in work within the national economy and the majority relied on the “male breadwinner”, on the father or the husband. Prostitution arose with the first states as the inevitable shadow of the official institution of marriage, which was designed to preserve the rights of private property and to guarantee property inheritance through a line of lawful heirs. The institution of marriage made it possible to prevent the wealth that had been accumulated from being scattered amongst a vast number of “heirs”. But there is a great difference between the prostitution of Greece and Rome and the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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As far as I know, Russia hasn't been communist in 30 years and are currently ruled by a right-wing party. So why do some on the left get defensive when you point out for example, their support of far right politicians in Europe which is well-documented?
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>>2175971
>United Russia is not a right wing party. They larp as conservative which is left wing in Russia. But they are basically liberal progressives of the early 2000s
Wrong. Let me explain. United Russia is the right leg of the Russian government, A Just Russia is the left leg and Vladimir Vladimirovich is the little thing dangling between them

>>2178591
It’s better for every self-described communist that shills for this bourgeoisie or that to have their skulls split open and nailed to a wall, and maybe their families imprisoned too
And the ones that claim if you personally don’t side with the bourgeoisie, their bourgeoisie, you have sided with the bourgeoisie, the other bourgeoisie; those farcical disingenuous clowns ought to be skinned alive
I hope you die screaming

>>2178985
>still no answer

How is /leftypol/'s daycare going in here

>>2178600
you would have rather had the oil under the control of the FSA lmao? Kurds were way to conciliatory towards assadoids



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one of the key elements of marx and engels "Umstülpung", the reversal of hegel's philosophy, was that, for the latter, the universal class was the state bureaucracy, whereas for marx and engels, the only universal class could only be the worker class, as long as it took control of the means of production. If i am not in the wrong, this could be considered a consequence to another element of that very reversal: according to hegel, it is the state that conditions and regulates civil society, and precisely in this measure the universal class is state bureaucracy; whereas for marx, it is civil society that conditions and regulates the state, the reason beheind why only the working class can become universal class, because by abolishing the bourgeois civil society one would also abolish the class antagonism that perpretrates the need for a state and a market economy, thus putting an end to the disparity.

However, the fact that the working class should use the state as a mean to do this has historically led to the deployment of a powerful bureaucracy under the one party state system to control the means of production, something which at the same time mantains porky at bay, garantees the uniformity of policy and undermines the autonomy of civil society and its tendency to financialize the economy and many other things (i am not an expert so please correct me if im wrong). Especially in China one can see the power of the state bureaucracy and the way that it can disable the disruptive and particularist tendencies of civil society, the recent real estate bubble management is a very good example of this. Has communism in praxis sided more with the hegelian notion of the universal class as bureaucracy? Does this show the superiority of hegel over marx in this specific aspect in political theory? what are your thoughts?

I am not a very well read person, so maybe the question is framed in a wrong way due to this. Precisely because of this i am looking for your opinion, especially if you are very versed in marx and/or hegel, and i think it could be an interesting discussion
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>>2160344
i just dont think that marx or hegel are in opposition and that neither of these
>to hegel, it is the state that conditions and regulates civil society, and precisely in this measure the universal class is state bureaucracy; whereas for marx, it is civil society that conditions and regulates the state
are accurate but that both of them think material history conditions and regulates society and the state, but hegel thinks society and the state are determined by ideas people have and marx agrees but says peoples ideas are determined by the mode of production

>Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past

First of all you have to understand the "universal class" is a bunch of malarkey. The one class that can truly claim to be a "universal class", the wretches who live short and nasty lives, does not want to be a class and has little regard for class solidarity. That's where humanity begins though, and it is the punishment of this class that defines what human society will be, simply as a matter of historical fact.

Hegel is a cultist of "pure power", obsessed with the projection of such. Marx's strategy was to capture the state, and this is always understood by anyone studying the Marxist method. And so, granting to the state and the political qualities and powers it did not possess was a standard lie from Hegel, and Marx takes that framework for granted. What Hegel wanted to do is stunt independent thought permanently and irrevocably, and in that, he succeeded. There is no way to make that "good". Hegel speaks of freedom with the utmost contempt to mock the concept.

That said, all of this political contest takes place in a world that isn't solely defined by "politics" or the state, and politics cannot subsume anywhere near all that exists. What you're seeing is, after a long explanation, the psychology of empires that is "naturalized" and treated as if it were imbued in the universe itself, and we must remember that empires are not defined by states or any necessary "political" character. Empires for most of history weren't unitary states, but federations in which tributaries fed the imperial army. For the Romans, in many cases the local authorities were retained, aside from the governor Rome appointed to collect the taxes and officers that would enforce Roman law, that the locals were made to reconcile their practices with. The British Empire is ruled by trading interests and opium, and can allow its vassals to claim dubious "sovereignty", even though all of the decisions are made by officers of the Company and its latter day incarnations. In many of these cases, a unitary state is wholly undesirable for the empire, since playing vassals off each other and propping up a fake war is one way for an empire to keep its subjects immiserated enough to never change the situation.

What Hegel is doing is basically preparing Germany's asshole to get sodomized, and that leads a direct line from him to Hitler and all that happened.

That the USSR "degenerated" into a state bureaucracy is due to historical conditions. In this sense the "degeneration" is in the sphere of ideas (what we "should have had" in theory) and in actuality was a practical measure.

>>2160475
As proposed, the USSR couldn't have done anything but "degenerate", short of a second revolution and a very different world where this happened. From the outset you had people who were ready to surrender the democratic revolution, and those forces had by the 1950s taken over completely. They didn't believe in the people.
At its heart, the state bureaucracy wasn't the problem. Having a state is expected, and the state was not any more oppressive or evil than its contemporaries. There was a disease throughout the society, because this wasn't a very effective strategy for ruling. The honest were punished, and the deceitful clamored for something that would reward them more. There wasn't a lot of faith in communism or this idea that there was an alternative to the malice that governed humanity the whole way through. If that faith were held, it would have survived to today. Something more happened than the dissolution than a state. The very idea that it could be different was thoroughly repudiated, and it started within the socialist movement itself. That happened globally, and during the 1990s, the surviving communists did, just as they did for the past several decades, the worst possible things they could have done to preserve what communism would have entailed. They doubled down on ideology, and abandoned anything that made sense to ordinary people. They bent over for neoliberal dogmas about a "just world" instead of saying, in no uncertain terms, that this was a complete disaster. Why was this so? Because the theory never had answers! It had a lot of critique, but it never suggested what communism could be in a clear message, and when neoliberalism began, it went out of its way to avoid any mention of the insanity at work. Many times over the political class of the USSR became neoliberals during the 90s, and Putinists after that. It happened way too many times to be an accident or even the result of malfeasance at the top. The theory itself was unsound, and always had been. Meanwhile, those around the world who would suffer were ignored, mocked, spat on, or their humiliation was encouraged out of a mistaken belief in geopolitical victory and looking for short-term goals.

mom they're treating marx like a hegelian again!



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>>2178934
How the ruckus Germanygoing to autonomously industrialize when it just gotgigacucked to American natural gas so hard it's causing recession?

>>2179079
they did ban all anti nazis parties and kill all reasonable people in other ones, so I guess democratic consensus is a lot easier after that

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>>2179042
F in chat.



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Based

almost as based when those commmunists protests in africa were waving lenins portrait alongside the russian flag. I forgot which country in specific.

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what is not based about nigeria is that 17 students died today in a school by a giant fire.

>>2178909
That was also Nigeria around a year ago



 

Is that even a possibility? Since Trump Is seemingly cutting down U.S. commitments in Europe and focusing more on regional dominance(Canada,Greenland), I am beginning to be worried for Cuba, especially with Marco Rubio. Thoughts?

>>2178439
Cuba is fucked long-term, man
Nothing to do about it their geographical position dooms them to USA madness

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>Nuclear energy in Cuba: An indispensable link toward development A review of progress in the introduction and use of nuclear technology in fields of energy, medicine, agriculture, industry, and science
>by Fidel Castro Diaz-Balart https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull32-1/32104794952.pdf

Don't worry, they will just go the boring renewable path instead.

They literally cannot get the electricity they have to run consistently, how are you supposed to refine weapons grade uranium under those conditions?

>>2178686
presumably they'd be getting it from another country

Cuba tiene prevista la instalación de 92 parques solares fotovoltaicos, como parte de la Estrategia Nacional de Transición Energética, antes del año 2028, indicaron las autoridades. De este modo, para el año 2025, 55 de estos parques ya se encontrarán en operación.
El donativo permitirá recuperar 400 megawatts de potencia en la generación eléctrica distribuida para beneficiar a 53.000 viviendas.



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