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Cash for clunkers was genuinely the worst idea ever. Eliminating so many affordable cars from the used market and in turn fucking it over for years to come. Thoughts on this?
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What is efficiency? What is safety? What is confort?


Some things gommunists will never comprehend

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>>2438996
It's effects were mostly the fact that a reliable 90s car that usually would have gone back to circulation and bought by someone else was entirely eliminated from the market. And hundreds thousands of working cars were destroyed because of this which meant all of these reliable cars that would have been cheap and accessible especially for people with low incomes are now gone. This also is one of the reasons the used market is fucked up to unfathomable degrees and everything is overpriced

Totally forgot about that. Wasn't it framed as a green initiative too?

>>2439017
Yeah it was an effort to "get rid of inefficient vehicles" which meant alot of perfectly good cars form thr 80s/90s

>>2439009
I'm still not sold - NZ's cars are older on average than America's and there's still not much in the way of early 90s vehicles on the road nowadays, let alone anything earlier. There are ~283 million cars in America today, so scraping 690,000 is a very, very, very small part of the market.
Then you can throw in other factors: Most of those cars must already have been worth less than $5-6k (otherwise it'd make more sense to sell them used than to scrap them.), they had to be younger than 25 years old (e.g. 1983 onward) and get less than 18 MPG (which the average new vehicle did before 1990), and a good chunk of them would be taken out of action anyway (the flip side of them selling cheaply is, at a certain point between 2008 and 2025 they're likely to become more valuable as parts than as a car…) or bought by hobbyists who needed something to do during covid. (post covid inflation + car sales slowdown seeming a more plausible explanation for any price problems at the low end of the market today.)

There was no Cash for Gameboys or Cash for useless STN-display 90s office laptops scheme, and both of those are now selling for prices that'll make you wish we'd bring back the Law of the General Maximum.



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People would despise the shit out of Marx if he wasn't so giddy about natlib and democracy like he was, which was much to his detriment. Marx and Engels sacrificed their own conclusions for strategy they got swept up in false optimism, mistaking the early revolt of the workers and imperialist conflicts for revolutionary progress. They sent solidarity to national wars that were laying the foundations of capitalism because they thought they were helping communism. That was more cheerleading for democracy than anything remotely communist.
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why did you just start a new thread? tired of getting btfo in the old one?

>>2438327
Imperialism is monopoly capitalism you idiot

>>2438662
What about when a mid thing happens?

>>2438119
>They sent solidarity to national wars that were laying the foundations of capitalism because they thought they were helping communism.
Marx was pretty explicit that capitalism is a prerequisite for communism. Nationalism is also a prerequisite for internationalism.

I dont know where your idealist delusions come from but Marx was a materialist, he didn't just come up with something he thought was good and declare it to be so but actually analyzed how communism would develop from social relations and productive force. Its not "to his detriment" but precisely the core of his thought. It is what makes the difference between a communist and a social democrat or anarchist.

You would get a lot more traction and also actually be coherent and honest if you weren't trying to defend some abstract "communism" you invented and just rejected Marx and Communism fully, but you might actually have to read and figure out what it means first.

>>2438732
>Nationalism is also a prerequisite for internationalism.
why would anybody care about internationalism



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No this is not a /pol/ post, I am genuinely curious if anyone has bothered studying the Talmud and discovered anything noteworthy in it.
Marx's criticism of the ethnoreligious character of Jewishness is sufficient enough, but why not study it and see the origins? There are countless Jewish sects, there are even ultraorthodox Jews in neighborhoods like Mea Shearim in Israel who despite coming from the same teachings come to an entirely different conclusion and end up opposing Zionism and the Zionist state. Of course all of this boils down to religious mysticism, but I can't help but wonder if there is any "in the know" content that gives leverage to Judaism by economic means.

The Talmud is supposed to be a prolonged dialogue and debate between different rabbis from different generations seeing the extent of Jewish law, going to extremes in writing ridiculous stuff like endorsing child marriage and hostilities towards non-Jews.

There was a sect of Islam which more or less went through the same, but I forgot what they were called, the general idea was to try and see the extent of what is allowed in Islam and what can be the definitive Islamic law which I'm unsure if it lead to Shariah or if its unrelated.
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>>2437610
Germans, like any western population should be regarded with suspicion regarding
everything. After all the shit they pulled with very limited remorse (oh Iraq was a bad idea and Afghanistan and…)
I don't trust em. Not racist just don't like em.

>>2437612
Fair enough and I agree, but as a euroid im telling you germans have a complex regarding israel that should not be overlooked. They even have a whole "left wing" ideological strain that is literally just meant to uphold israel lol
Hate these guys sm lmao

My understanding is that it's like trying to learn Islam from Hadith, in that it's all this contradictory bullshit that is observed in different interpretations which all believe themselves to be the "correct" one. It makes it utterly irrelevant for "learning" anything about the religion when you strip it from its social context. You can't just pick up Hadith to find something and say, "all Muslims believe/do this." They use Hadith to justify themselves, not the other way around. The whole Shia/Sunni split have their own set of Hadiths, among some shared ones.

The reason the Talmud is similar is because people dropping quotes from the Talmud are doing the exact, same thing. They're trying to find that "gotcha" in a vacuum. This is why quote mongering from the Talmud is a favorite pastime for Nazis that graduate from projecting all their Id-like desires onto Jewish people. It's easy to convince dumb people to hold views about an entire ethnicity by pointing to some words in a book, even if the people don't even follow it.

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>>2438614
Yeah Talmud is literally a book of early medieval (500 CE) rabbis debating each other. It's not meant to be the final word on anything. But also like who cares. Modern Jewish supremacists will wave an LGBTQIA+ flag and take money/weapons from uncircumcised Christians while slaughtering circumcised Muslim children with very similar dietary restrictions as them. So it's clearly not about that kinda stuff. It's about capitalist imperialism and ethnonationalism, which are both products of a post-Westphalian bourgeois world.



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Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka

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>>2438605
nta but church attendance alone is not an indicator of hidden atheists.

>>2438604
It reminds me of when hazbin hotels insist there's a huge uncounted youth/minority voting bloc in Texas that will turn it blue every election cycle. And then it never materializes and they just blame voter suppression.

If you're gambling on activating an invisible demographic you've already lost. This is why DSA cannibalizes the Democratic party instead of trying to reach out to non-voters, as an electoral party trying to achieve victories through elections they target people that vote. Conversely, if you want to start some kind of Left-wing militia you need to appeal to the people that already have guns, the people that already are fighting ICE, the people that already engage in militant activism online. Usually those are pretty isolated regional groups that all have their own separate beliefs, not necessarily intersectional. There's literally Marxist Catholics in South America and Marxist Muslims in the Middle East and they all have their own beliefs. Communism is not one size fits all.

>>2438606
Correct. It is however a sign of abandonment of religious authority at the very least.

This however…
>But, despite these signs of recent stabilization and abiding spirituality, other indicators suggest we may see further declines in the American religious landscape in future years.
>Namely, younger Americans remain far less religious than older adults.
>For example, the youngest adults in the survey (ages 18 to 24) are less likely than today’s oldest adults (ages 74 and older) to:
>Identify as Christian (46% vs. 80%)
>Pray daily (27% vs. 58%)
>Say they attend religious services at least monthly (25% vs. 49%)
>And the youngest adults are more likely than the oldest Americans to be religiously unaffiliated (43% vs. 13%).
>Also, younger Americans are less likely than older adults to say they were raised in religious households.1 And, compared with older adults, fewer young people who were raised in religious households have remained religious after reaching adulthood.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/decline-of-christianity-in-the-us-has-slowed-may-have-leveled-off/

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>>2438570
>NO
>NO RIGHTS
>NOBODY GETS RIGHTS
>NOBODY GETS ANYTHING

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>>2438622


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Evo Morales Calls Bolivian Election Outcome a ‘Punishment Vote’
“This result is a punishment vote against betrayal and corruption. A message for new generations: if you want to go into politics, whoever betrays loses and whoever steals loses,” the historic leader of Bolivian left said, referring to presidential candidates Andronico Rodriguez and Eduardo del Castillo. Morales also said the results were also a “punishment vote against the privatization of state companies and against political persecution.” In doing so, he alluded to former President Quiroga, the presidential candidate who came in second place.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/evo-morales-calls-bolivian-election-outcome-a-punishment-vote/

Uribe’s main fixer convicted for bribing witness in case against Colombia’s former president
According to Bogota judge Fabian Moreno, attorney Diego Cadena pressured a witness called Juan Guillermo Monsalve into retracting claims that Uribe and his brother Santiago helped create the Bloque Metro paramilitary group in 1996. Monsalve and other former Bloque Metrio fighters have testified that their group was created at Guacharacas, the Uribe family estate in the east of the Antioquia province, in response to a guerrilla attack on the property.
https://colombiareports.com/uribes-fixer-convicted-for-bribery/

Amazon Communities Launch Protest Against Illegal Mining in Peru
Additionally, monuments to Bolsheviks and revolutionaries, including Stepan Shaumyan and Aleksandr Myasnikyan, as well as statues of Nagorno-Karabakh’s military leaders like Khristofor Ivanyan and Anatoliy Zinevich, were also noted to have been removed. The statement adds that while the official fate of the sculptures has not yet been clarified, considering Azerbaijan’s ongoing policy of erasing Armenian cultural heritage, it is highly likely that the statues have been permanently destroyed.
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US pipeline protester’s obstruction conviction overturned by appeals court
Vialard was charged after attaching herself to a 25ft bamboo tower erected to block a pumping station in Aitkin county in August 2021, as part of a crackdown on non-violent Indigenous-led protests opposing the expansion and re-routing on Line 3 – a 1,097-mile tar sands oil pipeline with a dismal safety record that crosses more than 200 bodies of water from Alberta in Canada to refineries in the US midwest.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/18/mylene-vialard-pipeline-protester-conviction-overturned

Draft of new 'MAHA' report suggests RFK Jr. won't target pesticides
The draft's language, if left unchanged, would constitute a win for the agriculture industry and a potential setback for Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA) allies, who have railed against the use of chemical additives in America's food supply, arguing that they harm children.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/draft-new-maha-report-suggests-rfk-jr-target/story?id=124714523

Private-equity backed prison health companies continue despite decade of alleged constitutional violations
Since 2014, in eight cases involving these two private equity-backed healthcare companies examined by the Guardian, investigators from the Department of Justice, New York City department of investigation and other local investigators, have found their negligence so severe that it violated inmates’ eighth amendment rights protecting them from substantial risk of harm, including preventable death. Staff shortages are often a contributing factor – a 2023-24 Santa Barbara county grand jury investigation into Wellpath-managed jails found that staffing shortages led to delays in care.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/18/us-private-prison-healthcare-industry

Vast Majority of 'Refugees' AccePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Serbia: the revolution has outgrown its naïve phase
Since the collapse of the canopy that killed 16 people last November, Serbia has seen massive mobilisations, including the largest in the country’s history on 15 March. They have continued down to the present yet still no justice has been had for the victims. Patience has run out. Instead of justice, the regime has met the masses with continuous violence that has added to the bubbling anger in society. Back in January, members of the ruling party, the SNS, emerged from their party offices and broke the jaw of a female student. Other students attempted to enforce restraint by cordoning the offices to prevent violence from escalating. Since then, the culprits in that attack have been pardoned by Vučić. And we’ve seen more attacks by thugs and car ramming attacks on students. Still, throughout it all, the official stance of the students was that the violence of the Vučić regime should be met with restraint and dignity. But now things have reached their limits. Fatigue had been setting in without justice being achieved, and many began to feel that the students did not have a way forward. The blockades of the university faculties were slowly falling apart. It had become clear that the students’ attempts to peacefully achieve justice were ineffective. It was in this context that, on the national Vidovdan holiday, 28 June, the students gave the green light for the masses to use any form of civil disobedience. Until this point, only the restraint of the students themselves, whose authority had provided the leadership of the movement, has held the masses back. In a speech, the students have now given the “green light” to the masses not to hold back any longer in the face of a regime that clearly will not refrain from using violence.
https://marxist.com/serbia-the-revolution-has-outgrown-its-naive-phase.htm

The Alternative: Zarah Sultana interview
Zarah Sultana is among Britain’s most prominent socialist leaders. Born in Birmingham in 1993, she became politically active in the student movement and later in the upsurge of Corbynism: serving on the national executive of Young Labour, working as a community organiser for the party and eventually running for parliament, where she now represents Coventry South. Her electiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Tybna

>>2438323
>Morales emphasized that the number of null and blank votes reached second place in Sunday’s election.

>He also stressed that the percentage of null votes, blank ballots and voter abstention exceeded the percentage obtained by Paz Pereira.

Interesting.

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Thanks News Anon



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Can proletarians truly exist in today's first-world nations with social security programs (mostly the EU member nations)? And if so, what percentage of the population do they make up there? Obviously if everyone suddenly stopped working and relied on unemployment benefits the bourgeois state would find a way to force them to work
again, existing unemployed are also already heckled.
But today as it stands even if you have no other reason not to work than simply not wanting to, your survival, your life, your weal and woe are never under threat in the nations this question is concerned with. Thoughts?
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>>2430534
and what are first world black people?

>>2430535
Class traitors

>>2430534
Argentina saved, no nazis there lesss goooo

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>>2427398
why do you think china did the one child policy

These programs are concessions given to the proletariat in exchange for the sale of its labor, it's an expansion of the wage system. Their class position and relations are still proletarian, only Maoist falsifications try to distort this basic observation.

Even if some workers are poorer than the others, the working class as a whole still has no choice but to work to live. To believe that all first-world workers are quickly able to quit their jobs entirely to go live off whatever capital they somehow accumulated is literally the "American dream" so believing in this Maoist shit is by extension belief in the American dream, which is fake.



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I fully support universal healthcare, universal suffrage, free education, minimum wage social security for those in vulnerable conditions, even the seizing of the means of production so workers could actually turn industries and companies into cooperatives

What I DON'T support however is infesting our once developed, secure and beautiful first world nations with undesirable subhumans from the third world, and especially as a straight man myself I don't want to risk getting a stone thrown to my head by some Muhammad or Nbumgo because their brownoid shithole religion says straight people bad or something, my city (Frankfurt) used to be the JEWEL of Germany when it was racially homogeneous now it's a hellhole thanks to the uyghurs and arqbs infesting it
In fact, in these elections I actually voted AfD despite them being neoliberal crooks, because they're the ONLY ONES willing to do something about the non-White infestation

TL/DR I fully support the economic policies of communism but I want shitskins OUT, they're ugly, smelly, barbaric and a threat to my existance as a straight man(Rule 14g - racebait)
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For the people who are against free speech.

How should speech be decided? Whichever class has the most power decides which speech is good and which speech is bad for everyone?

>>2437932
well my position is that there should be containment threads for reactionaries so that there isnt a backlash. if we set up a /pol/ circlejerk somewhere, then censoring all other threads would be legitimate. the issue is that the mods often do flippantly scour the site unfairly and inconsistently rather than properly.

>>2437940
>Mods should censor people but when they hit me personally they're being unfair and inconsistent
See what i'm talking about lil uygha? 😌

>>2437938
a lot of people also miss the fact that the law isnt a moral concept. in common understanding, there is a separation between the civil and legal spheres. so, if you are rude, you behave immorally, but not illegally. what i see with police is that they often demand respect, when they are not owed it, leading to a conflation between the civil and legal (which is in effect, a totalitarian formula, where the private becomes public). censors treat things this way too, where improper speech is sought to be made illegal rather than simply denoted as immoral.
>>2437949
yes they are, because i am a great contributor to this site so shouldnt be lumped in with the trolls. the trolls should have their own corner, while everyone else has theirs.

>>2437950
>Literally free speech for me and not for thee argument
Holy shit man how can you be so tone deaf



 

>Welcome liberal tourists edition
<Meeting or whatever sub-edition


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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
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LMAO, Zelensky is late.

zalensky has just arrived

oh nice he decided to wear a 'suit'

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>>2437928


new thread

>>2437928

>>2437645
well, they are doing it out of outflanking fascistically, then. Hungary has a lot of grievances with the ethnic minority law from 2019, where, alongside with the Russians, the bandera regime decided the Magyars in Ukraine are not relevant.
Also, I remember in the first day of the forced mobilization, Magyars were the main forced group to go die into the war, alongside with Gypsies.



 

It seems it's easier for femoids to form lesbian powerblocs and it is evidently more pronounced with westerners, who are more likely to taste the rainbow and castrate males, further swelling their female ranks
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Just shut women out of decision making positions and intellectual labor, they’re not designed for it and forced gender equality is liberal claptrap(Rule 14g - low-quality idpol bait)

>>2437884
Mods, ban this misogynistic asshole, thank you.

female ascendancy is only possible due to male subservience, so blame weak males, since they possess the greater agency (and therefore, responsibility) than the woman.
>>2437884
the issue with this one-sided criticism is that it doesnt account for male mediocrity.

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>>2437889
>Hope she sees this bro(Rule 15)

>Soyjak poster banned replying to misogynist
Based mod moment.



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It seems it's harder for people to form genuine connections but and it is evidently more pronounced with women who are more likely to consume SSRI medication and are more likely to experience obesity
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>>2437866
that does sounds like something i'd say tbh

>>2437866
His post was deleted. So he is the new Rapefiend

>>2437866
what! no i thought that post was funnny, i hope it wasn't some puritanical overmoderation

>>2437744
How?
Like I'm willing to hear an explanation. Explain to me how as a man my life is so much better than yours

>>2434469
Amazing how you come up with a socialist idea and the radlibs on this website attack it.
It works well. That’s why it’s not being used in the U.S.



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