/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>82883
I mean, it also wasn’t like some sort of psychopath genocide like how modern society (and society back then) really like to portray it
That was some shit that occurred after a full decade of non-stop civil war, occurred after the Haitians learned that Napoleon more or less intended to wipe them all out (seriously, Napoleon and his generals finally decided all the slaves needed to be killed and replaced by the time of his invasion), and of course the vast majority of people that died in that war were black
We aren’t talking about hundreds of thousands or millions of innocent whites being tortured to death, we’re talking about the few who remained on the island (AFAIK less than 5,000 people as most had fled during the war) most of whom were guys involved in the slave trade

>>82883
Fun fact, the parts of Haiti where people have polish last names is a huge communist hot spot, they militantly resisted the Duvalier regimes

>>82897
oh yeah im aware, im just not trying to make full apologetics for it in any case. they would probably have been better off rounding them up and sending them to haiti or cuba or something at least for optics sake, not that it would have made much of a difference and they wouldve seen the same retribution anyway since the issue was obviously the revolution and not france mourning the deaths of a thousand petty merchants

im not sure what to make of Dessalines in general. to be fair, my only knowledge of the Haitian Revolution comes from CLR James Black Jacobins, which is basically a biography of Louverture and doesnt go much into Dessalines rule. and im not making a moralistic judgement of his assumption of Emperor and decrees regarding forcing plantation labor, it was obviously an incredibly fragile scenario and there was literally no precedent whatsoever and the closest precedent was the revolution of their sworn enemy. but its hard not to think maybe things couldve turned out better. even if they had tried to readopt a west african clan agriculture system within the framework of a national military and civil service maybe it wouldve been something.

but now im just playing althistory fantasy. the haitian revolution was one of the highest points in human history and will live forever. i hope some day not too far off haitians can live safe and happy.

>>82915
The Revolutions podcast is honestly an excellent dive into the Haitian Revolution, you should give it a listen
He talks a lot about important figures of the time that basically nobody remembers in 2021

>>82832
Im sorry i have anemia :(

>>82950
maybe you should post about this shit then anon, put some pdfs in this thread if you want. id be interested in talking about it more

>>82975
the same can be said of futile, destructive courses of action, like pretty much everything the Weather Underground did

>>82656
isn't Julian Assange considered a terrorist?

>>82979
No disagreement from me.

>>82981
Of the cyber flavor. Then again, anyone who resists the law of private property is deemed a terrorist. It all comes back to that.

>>82981
He's not, but some hyberbolically call him a "cyberterrorist" when in reality he's just a guy who runs a website that releases information that other people give him, basically just an information source or journalist.

>>82440
Yeah admittedly Catalan separatism is ultimately just Bougie Nationalism but the spanish government has been utterly "Bruh" tier since the fucking 30's and is really "Never" (in the foreseeable future) going to be left-wing anyway. while the regionalists like Catalans Galicians and Basque's tend to be "left-wing" due to historic eastern bloc support for their independence and other factors.

Best case would be basically Galicia, Catalonia and maybe the Basque's splitting off and electing genuine-SocDem, Uto*ianoid-socialist governments and the Catalans get to keep Madrid and grenada as their personal right-wing Neo-Falange VOX israel cocksucking safe-space.

>>82448
*Castilians get to keep madrid.

>>82437
You must be dreaming if you think ERC are in any way "uncucked".
>>82440
The point is to defuse social unrest by channeling it into pointless identity politics.
>>82448
Galicia has historically been conservative due to the way land is distributed (small plots passed down). Nowadays it is a bastion for PP.

>>82374
You unironically say “scientific management of human behavior” and straw man people as saying the alternative is the modern prison system.

Cut off your bits and bleed out.

>>82366
Those are the alternatives, outside of your utopian fantasy world which nobody but you gives a shit about. Be like the first quote. Deal with the forces you have instead of trying to "science" your idealism into reality.

>>81159
It's a dead ideology

>>81538
Georgism was a real ideology in the late 19tth and early 20th centuries

>>81159
isnt Singapore modern proof something like this is possible?

>>81705
Tell me more, what's the situation in Singapore?

another larp like market socialism that no one takes seriously anymore

>>80699
If a piece of art has to be explained before it makes sense, it is bad at being art.

>>80706
and this is the logic spiral modern art falls under.
the mere explanation of the artwork replaces any meaning a viewer would come up with on their own, which in a sense, has become the art.

>>80706
>I find it to be bad art.
Okay. go look at something else.

>>80706
>>80769
niggas say this and then read the didactics in the baroque sections of their local art museums; fucken clowns

I was looking for new books to buy and came across this. Anyone read it?
>"Futurism was the state of the Fascist regime" - this is the view one encounters in most books written on Futurist art and literature. Whilst there can be no doubt about Futurist involvement with the founding of the fascist movement, little is known about the internal relationship between Futurists and Fascists in the years 1918-22, nor about the reasons for the Futurists' departure from the Fascist movement in 1920, or about Futurist opposition to (and even armed struggle against) the Fascist regime after 1924. Whilst the public documents testifying to Futurist support of Mussolini are well known, little has been written about Futurist anti-fascism camouflaged as official adherence to the regime. This study, based primarily on unknown or unpublished documents discovered in state archives and private collections, presents a new andfar more complex picture of the relationship of the two movements than has previously been shown by critics and historians. Günter Berghaus received his Ph.D. in Theatre Studies and his Habilitation from the Free University of Berlin; he taught at the University of London and now holds a Readership in Theatre History and Performance Studies at the University of Bristol.

>>80267
A lot of people also seem to be under the illusion that when you get out (if you get out), youre free and back to square one. Not at all. Look up Correctional Supervision. If you do get out, you're functionally no longer a citizen, your job and housing prospects are far worse than they were before, and you are usually so closely monitored that stepping a toe out of line can get you thrown right back into prison.

Comparing ancient prisoners and slaves to modern industrial-bureaucratic prison systems is like comparing a water wheel to a nuclear power plant.

>>80267
>idealistic people are incorrect therefore I can ignore them
They also constitute the vast majority of human life. If you were really concerned with solving the class problem, you would step out of your literary circle jerk and examine those grotty "subjective" factors that determine more than you ever will.

>>80273
Yeah that is true, but, I don't see how that matters, though. Lumpenization of the prison population (really one and the same) only bolsters my position more because lumpens are totally incapable of becoming revolutionary subjects for one reason or another. It's hard to be revolutionary when you are trying to avoid getting stabbed on the street or looking for your next fix, or, again, constantly going in and out of the prision system. The best we can hope for is black uprisings, but, even those are doomed lest they have a material analysis and class awareness to them.

>>80276
This kind of shit is so pointless. Just shut the fuck up and stop being so hostile and cancerous to the board. No shit the majority of people don't think that way, but, you aren't those people. You are here and therefore you thinking that way is stupid. Get over yourself, anon.

>>80181
How is materialism incompatible with vengeance?
Vengeance is due to someone making you suffer and you wanting to make them suffer in return. Its pretty straightforward.

>>77782
>>77799
The US government will have the potential to be overthrown the moment the majority of the population stops believing in its legitimacy.

This is more true today than it ever has been, but the MAGA crowd believes in America, and the liberals do to, and want to return to the 90s basically, pre-Trump, pre-2008, pre-911. Both want to return to something that never really existed.

People will just cultivate their crops in hydroponic buildings instead.
Then we'll be finally be able to get rid of the distinction between city and country which karl marx was obsessed about for some reason.
I don't know what will happen to the fish though.

>>73273
anchored for being the millionth billionth doomer thread lately

on earth's timescale, whatever effect we could have in meaningless. carbon levels would eventually stablize over a few million years at most, which in earth time is basically a blip. life will go on- of course, that doesnt mean that we shouldnt try to survive. But if what you're worried about is our effect on life permenantly, you are simply giving our species too much credit. Our big brains are capable of incredible things, but all of those things will be impermenant.

>>73273
Meh, humans won't ever die from climate change.
The rich will just go to the best places on the planet, afford to live in luxury while the rest of the world starves and drowns and burns. They'll be able to support themselves just fine.
That is, assuming the population doesn't naturally level off at around 10 billion and the whole world becomes Japan

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>>73507
A big war. That's the only way capitalism digs its way out of these things. Toss away all the poor people.

>>76015
Government debt doesn't even make sense as a construct anymore in a world where we're no longer operating on the gold standard and monarchs had no credit to borrow from merchant guilds. Today the banks are desperate for token assets to lend against and governments in the developed world are the de facto standard for creditworthiness.

>>73507
>worlds richest man
Tesla's a fucking bubble and every normal knows this, when will you faglets stop stroking him off?

>>81857
It's not a bubble if public finance is going to keep it pumping forever ala Japan.

I don't like this fella

>>82178
second this, blaming IDPOL is stupidpol tier and not materialist at all. Their idea of materialism is just shitting on idpol, like blaming idpol as being idealist instead of explaining why it came about to begin with

>>81719
I wonder if there is anyway someone could pit the police against the Feds (CIA/NSA/Army/etc)

>>82183
Exactly
A materialist explanation might go thusly
The power of US capital, largely from its inception, has rested on its military, this greatly intensified with the Second World War and Cold War to a point that the US military became a major employer and major source of industrial development for US society, alongside this was the US’s rise to the status as the leader of capitalist imperialism which of course rested on their military power by necessity; with the dollar being made the key weapon of US domination and the military the justification, the two formed a necessarily incestuous relationship such that American dollars build up the military while the military upholds the dollar. As America declines this relationship cannot be undone but in fact must intensify if America wishes to keep its spot as the unquestioned ruler of the world; as such there can be NO discussion among those with power about seriously defunding the military, especially now that said military is explicitly preparing for an armed confrontation with China, an incredibly powerful nation in its own right that is nearing economic, geopolitical, and military parity.

Idpol is not at all needed to explain this, fucking hell

>>82192
I think it's good you're trying to do a materialist explanation, but I'm not sure that really explains why ordinary Americans, as opposed to American elites, pay little attention to the US military.

>>82198
Why?
It’s simple as fuck why Americans don’t care
They believe their military keeps them safe
They like having the most powerful military in the world because it means they’ll be safe from any foreign attack while in the homeland
And they’re also propagandized via films, television, and video games to see the US military as superheroes
The Avengers is unironically how the US military portrays itself
And remember, the USM also isn’t like, say, the British Empire or the Wehrmacht, they don’t push propaganda saying that the people they invade and murder are subhuman savage monsters; instead they say that they’re actually going to save and liberate people and aren’t planning on harming a single civilian
And to back this up in the minds of the public, the USM regularly releases video footage of themselves doing things like handing out candies to children in occupied countries, building hospitals, going around giving kids high fives, being kindly with elders and shit
Remember, when the US military invaded Iraq in 2003 they told the American people that the Iraqis would join them in a revolution and thank them for deposing Saddam Hussein

And public perception more or less turned against the war with the start of the Iraqi Insurgency

So the answer isn’t that people are distracted by “Muh gay, trans, black drone pilot”, rather they just have sophisticated propaganda introduced to them; like, hypothetically if the USM actually WAS just doing the shit they claim for the public they actually WOULDN’T be evil; you really can’t say that with the British imperial military or the armies of Nazi Germany