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Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

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Archive of previous thread
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Excuse me coming through
A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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>>25123
>gross negligence is the legal condition
wonder why you didnt say this a hundred posts ago?
and so you admit that what people are charged with is gross negligence or malicious harm, NOT the failure to provide an adequate gift. so, this is the end of the conversation. thanks for wasting my time.



 

drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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What the fuck are they? Every time a Marxist attempts to explain them it's like a Haskell programmer attempting to explain Monads.
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dialectics is when the government does stuff

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continuing from the classical dialectic: >>24881 (You)
we may move on to the modern notion. hegel describes his difference from plato here:
>The efficient or motive principle, which is not merely the analysis but the production of the several elements of the universal, I call dialectic. Dialectic is not that process in which an object or proposition, presented, to feeling or the direct consciousness, is analysed, entangled, taken hither and thither, until at last its contrary is derived. Such a merely negative method appears frequently in Plato. It may fix the opposite of any notion, or reveal the contradiction contained in it, as did the ancient scepticism, or it may in a feeble way consider an approximation to truth, or modern half-and-half attainment of it, as its goal. 
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/pr/printrod.htm#PR31
which entirely mirrors what he writes here:
>Even the Platonic dialectic, in the Parmenides itself and elsewhere even more directly, on the one hand, aims only at abolishing and refuting assertions through themselves and on the other hand, has for its result simply nothingness. Dialectic is commonly regarded as an external, negative activity which does not pertain to the subject matter itself, having its ground in mere conceit as a subjective itch for unsettling and destroying what is fixed and substantial, or at least having for its result nothing but the worthlessness of the object dialectically considered.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlintro.htm#HL1_43
this appears identical to marx's dialectic:
<In its mystified form, dialectic became the fashion in Germany, because it seemed to transfigure and to glorify the existing state of things. In its rational form it is a scandal and abomination to bourgeoisdom and its doctrinaire professors, because it includes in its comprehension and affirmative recognition of the existing state of things, at the same time also, the recognition of the negation of that state, of its inevitable breaking up; bePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Value form is dialectical i heard. So read capital vol. 1

>>25114
you probably shouldn't post if you dont know what you are talking about

>>25122
explain what im misunderstanding



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The Rate of Profit: Rising or Falling?

Recently discovered there is a debate within Marxist economics that Marx had it incorrect, rather than rate of profit falling, due to capitalist technological innovation, cost-cutting and wage stagnation the Rate of Profit will rise, theorized by marxist economist Nobu Okishio.

Your thoughts?
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>>16626

Births like anything else are a social relation that is materially subject to external or internal influences and contradictions, and to that you say Birth Rates and the effect of industrialisation and living standards, I absolutely missed that and had made a truism or naturalistic assumption of progressive growth when Birth Rates can fluctuate, good spot there!

>>16622
>what would you say these countertendencies are?
>would be interested in finding more marxist critiques of marx himself, haven't found many academically even.
Its not a critique. Notice how its the "tendency" for the profit rate to fall.

Profit rate falls because the share of material capital grows in relation to the rate of organic capital. IE you have to pay more for the upkeep or replacement of machines relatively than for labour, meaning that there is less total labour in society to be put into creating new capital and more is spend on maintaining what we already have.

The counter tendency is situations where labour saving in one sectors brings down the capital cost in another. Such as improving steel production by 30%. That makes machine upkeep cheaper in terms of labour, and frees labour to build new capital.

But in practice, the implementation of labour saving technologies in non-capital-producing sectors outpaces that of capital producing sectors (because the sectors that produced non-capital commodities, such as food, clothing, etc, are smaller than those that produce or work to maintain material capital), meaning that overall, there is more and more machines that need to be maintained relatively.


>>16630
Thank you for rare theory post




 

Any works on NEETs?

I guess disability stuff like "Empire of Normality" and "Health Communism" is semi-relevant. Also some stuff on the lumpen such as by the Black Panthers.

So TBH I think a lot of the labor aristocracy holds pretty detestable views wrt the demoralized and slum proletariat. Also blaming fascism on jobless schizos is just retarded as reactionary as they may be at times. Fascism is a top-down deployment of the armed forces of the bourgeoisie. Reactionary NEETs and incels are beside the point.



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Let's make a thread about programming,share your experiences,adviсes to beginners and so on.
I don't have any great experience on this topic,because i'm beginner like only language i learned is Python.

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If learning programming be it for work or for fun or just self improvement, don't do those stupid template starter projects like the eternal to-do list. Program software that you want to use.



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There are people who spend their entire lives reading Hegel and still manage to come out empty handed.

ITT we discuss the great thinker, Karl Marx's teacher, and he on who's shadow we walk:

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

>What are good things to read/view to get an understanding of Hegel from a philosophical neophyte?


<What service can Hegel's philosophy provide us today?


>What an be done to make Hegel more accessible to the masses? Why is it so unpenetrable?
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Someone posted this else where, map of science of logic:
https://autio.github.io/projects/scienceoflogic/

>>22750
Hard disagree. Dialectical thinking is a very powerful tool to understand systems and change. I personally use it all the time in my life for mundane reasoning and tasks.

Bump for interest

what do I need to understand Hegel? should i start with the greeks? should I start with Marx and move backwards and end with ababobabu of the gray cave? can you word it in a way that an ant that is now human would understand.

>>25093
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar
- ASPCA Ultimate Cat Care Manual
- Max Stirner's Art and Religion
- Marx's stuff
- The rest of Max Stirner's stuff
- Main story in arknights
- Hegel's stuff
- Side stories in arknights
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar (again)

>>25094
What if I want to learn League of Legends lore?



 

Does anyone have any resources about Analytic philosophy under Marxism, Marxist Analytic philosophers, etc. The only major Analytic Marxist I've read at length is Paul Cockshott, and while I like his stuff, he is still a Westerner. I'd like to see more stuff written from within AES states, especially China.

General discussion of Analytic philosophy is also welcome, thanks in advance!
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This thread is further evidence that all academics are grifters not unlike the people posted on ISG regularly.

>>25056
There's only one "marxism" and only one "communism", moron.

>I consulted Deepseek

Bleak.

>>25082
they both conclude disease is bad and bodies rotate

>>25069
<wrongly characterizes intellectual activity as occurring in isolation from the struggles constitutive of its social and political conjuncture, and at the same time does little to intervene in that conjuncture
so if they are the same results where are the AES analytical marxist countries?

>>25086
in what sense do you think they produce the same results in any way?

im trying not to be rude but it seems like you just dont read the posts responding to you so im not really incentivized to answer, so instead of assuming, why dont you tell us where you are getting these ideas

>>25087
>There's only one "marxism" and only one "communism", moron.
So why do different AES states look so different?

>Bleak.

It's the only thing that will give me a straight answer. All you guys have done is make fun of me for asking the question to begin with. Deepseek will at the very least respond to what I said in good faith.

>>25088
>why dont you tell us where you are getting these ideas
Based on the small amount of Analytical Marxism I've read. I'm open to being wrong, I just want to know why I'm wrong.

>>25039
G. A Cohen is the main one, apparently it's technological determinism rather than class struggle as a reaction against the periodic crises of capitalism

>>25090
>in what sense do you think they produce the same results in any way?



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Every friday
The original thread slid off /leftypol/ after I and I assume everybody else missed that week

Currently we are reading Engel's on The Origin of the Family

Anybody remember what chapter we were up to?
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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch05.htm
Chapter 5 the ride of the Athenian State

Now this interesting:
>The Athenians then instituted a police force simultaneously with their state, a veritable gendarmerie of bowmen, foot and mounted Landjäger [the country's hunters] as they call them in South Germany and Switzerland. But this gendarmerie consisted of slaves. The free Athenian considered police duty so degrading that he would rather be arrested by an armed slave than himself have any hand in such despicable work. That was still the old gentile spirit. The state could not exist without police, but the state was still young and could not yet inspire enough moral respect to make honorable an occupation which, to the older members of the gens, necessarily appeared infamous.
Bolding mine
The whole chapter is very interesting Engel's and his source are on very solid ground due to a healthy science and art of philology in the era focussing in Classical Greek



The Origin of the Family is a piece of trash and should be flushed down the toilet. There's practically no empirical evidence for any of Engels' claims and his theoretical model is junk, debunked well over a century ago. I really wish commies would stop reading that outdated piece of shit and taking it seriously.

Reading is fed.



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I wrote a long rambling intro to this post which I don't think anyone wanted to read so I'll cut it short. As a third worlder (not a third worldist) who has recently become more acquainted with Marxism and economic history, I've become interested in questions that seem relevant to my immediate political reality such as
>whether it's possible for "developing" and "underdeveloped" countries to actually become "developed", and in what circumstances (I recognize the vagueness of these concepts)
>the extent to which the common problems of these countries (such as crime, disease, famine, lack of support and freedom) is tied to their place in the current world order, and the extent to which they can escape or limit these problems without some sort of major global rearrangement
>what the likely path for these countries is in the foreseeable future
And I'm interested in book recommendations that can help me think through these questions. The books don't need to directly tackle these questions, just be illuminating in their regard. I'd prefer stuff with a strong basis in history and data over JUST pure theory, though both are fine.
Of course any input that you want to give about these questions based on your own views and knowledge is also welcome, though needless to say even the best imageboard posts can only accomplish so much compared to a book.

Okay I'm a little disappointed that this didn't get a single reply lmao so maybe I should give some context. I basically suspect after reading more economic history that the transition from "developing" to "development" is in a sense an extraordinary event, as it's not enough for a country to prop up its industry, but it's necessary for it to harness lucky circumstances into a self-sustaining cycle that guarantees a reliable and perpetual post-industrial economy. Simple industrialization does not guarantee success because it's necessary for an economy to have a competitive advantage in a global market. My suspicion is that "good policy" can never suffice for this, which goes against the prevailing ideologies of development that get pushed in the Third World (especially Latin America and certain parts of Asia).
However, it should also be obvious that I am essentially talking out of my ass, and this is a half-baked theory based on reading basic history. This is why I'm looking for books that can help me develop and stress test this view, as I think it's essentially one of the central questions of politics in our part of the world.

>>22816
There are two main theories about the role of the borgeousie in pre-capitalist countries that were introduced to the capitalist world system.

The first one is used by Maoists, which utilizes concepts such as semi-feudalism and semi-colonialism, comprador and bureaucratic borgeousies.

The other is the Marxists Dependency Theory, developed by Latin American intellectuals in the latter half of the 20th century, such as Ruy Mauro Marini and Vânia Bambirra.

>>22816
>whether it's possible for "developing" and "underdeveloped" countries to actually become "developed", and in what circumstances (I recognize the vagueness of these concepts)
The first step is to question what we mean by "developed" and "underdeveloped." When we see a group of rural peasants in India living in thatched roof mud brick homes or nomads in the Sahara, the instant assumption that these people shouldn't be living this way. Now, one can live a happy and decent life as a nomadic pastoralist and many choose to do so. What we have here is a kind of value judgement about the lives of others who are branded 'poor' or 'backward' because they don't live urban lifestyles. Often, poverty is slapped onto groups of people who are not, by their own standards, poor. So where does this development discourse come from? Whose interests does it serve? And how is it used?

You will notice that development policies almost always involve some form of intervention by state authorities, UN agencies, or NGOs (the staff of which are almost all from the North American-European world) over the lives of "underdeveloped" people. Sometimes, this intervention is violent (e.g. US occupation of Afghanistan, Plan Colombia, Israeli displacement of Bedouins). Another feature is a tendency to discredit the political and social institutions of local communities in favor of top down solutions implemented by technocrats and a culture where liberal "modern" people must save local people from a series of "harmful cultural practices." Compare the way "female genital mutilation" is treated compared to the widespread practice of labiaplasty or transgender surgery in "developed" countries, which are not seen as "harmful cultural practices." Lastly, there's a whole phenomena of "third world" communities outright rejecting or avoiding development projects e.g. Afghan villagers refusing to participate in road building or rejecting schooling, North Sentinelese Islanders isolating themselves, Nomads who refuse to settle down, widespread rejection of vaccines.

>the extent to which the common problems of these countries (such as crime, disease, famine, lack of support and freedom) is tied to their place in the current world order, and the extent to which they can escape or limit these problems without some sort of major glob
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