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>>47320
>leftism is when good values and rightism is when making things worse
Thats pretty much correct.

>>47340
But much of the "historically progressive" things have been declared evil: slavery, genocide of natives, enclosure, child labor, the early industrial system, Manifest Destiny, and the British conquest of India.

>>47345
Capitalism is progressive vis a vis feudalism, doesn't mean that it is right now

>>47291
Pacifist is normgroid nonsense, pandering to a race of child murderers so they can potentially live out their blood & soil fantasies on the surface, while turning Flowey (the best character in the game who actually understands the world) into a deeply forgettable crybaby who does nothing with the knowledge he's earned. And there's a high chance it gets reverted anyways.

Genocide is actually understanding the world for what it is, an endless cycle of predictable actions by flawed creatures, which you can break by stamping your will onto this world, even if it forces you to make horrible decisions against your morality. Of course, this makes Genocide sound way more compelling than it actually is, as Toby decided to fuck it up by shoehorning Chara in and subsequently pushing all of the character's agency onto Chara. Fun!

If you want to talk about left/right dichotomy (even though it means nothing), there's a case to be had that pacifist is right-wing in its preservation of useless relations simply because, while genocide is actually left-wing in its destruction of the old order and the construction of a new, better world (as lvl20 allows for world creation a la Chara). Pedantics and whatnot.

>and I don't just mean the surface level "good = left, evil = right".
that's literally what you're doing THOUGH. the other anon is right, undertale makes no sense if you think about it past the lil goober moralism. why do these critters even want to go above ground, a child armed with a shoe can utterly break the very essence of their being. even the king and his personal guard are no match. and they're so resentful their entire world revolves around building a doomsday weapon against mankind using dead children and their own re-animated corpses. asgore is like a retarded oppenheimer what the fuck. like it bothers me how untenable undertale is a setting for larger themes, it falls into little pieces if you think about it too much.

What do you think of ultrakill layer 8. I liked it a lot, hakita is an ambitious little dude. I don't care that it is aesthetically derivative of inception or dr strange or whatever, I like any game that does this stupid non-euclidean crap

now make fsn but in doom

>>47834
That'd be kinda cool

>>47819
I think that's mostly because Warhammer 40k fans concentrate their knowledge of the Xeelee Sequence on the Interim Coalition of Governance, which in all fairness is probably the most evil and overpowered human government in all of fiction. But to my knowledge they only really feature in one or two books and are ultimately just a small part of the overall story

>>47762
>My guy, you kill untold TRILLIONS of people not even counting the innumerable alien species you genocide for the crime of not being human

Did you read the whole story? The priest he's debating literally calls him out on how his campaigns on earth alone have basically made him the biggest mass murderer in history and asks him how he could possibly condemn organized religion for being violent when he's pulling this bullshit, and the Emperor literally just responds "the difference is that I know I'm right". Even there it's made pretty clear that the Emperor is a tautological hypocrite convinced his way and only his way can save humanity no matter how many people he has to kill

>>47823
Yeah, the entire point of the book is that the emperor is a egotistical shit head, even the tts meme series called him out on it

>>47823
But he is right isn't he? If he hadn't conquered the galaxy, made the space marines, etc humanity would be brown bread by now

>>47822
Yeah. The thing is Baxter is a Hobbsian who thinks that class societies need to exist and he is has a negative view of human nature and doesn't like revolution unless it is a science revolution. So he is a cringe lib. But also he does think woke science and reason will save the day and humans will try to kill all the gods. He's a sci-fi writer and his setting doesn't really fit with 40k which is not sci-fi at all.

Looks cool I'm gonna try it out.

>>47760
How do I put Rosa and Karl in power?

>You are the Social Democratic Party of Germany in 1928
I would have fled the country tbh.
>>47804
Paul Levi died in 1930. Successor?
>>47806
Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht died in 1919.

>>47779
>I think this point would be missed if they made active politics the goal of the game
Nah, the game endorses plenty of politics. Only in the mind of its liberal writers is it not political. There is literally a dialogue between jill and her boss somewhere about the lax laws in night city enabling extensive human experimentation and it's said this led to better healthcare being than anywhere else despite private ownership; pure lolbert wank!

>>47799
Anon, where does "active politics being the goal of the game" mean that there is "no politics"?

I don't think it's contradictory at all regarding your point about lax laws. You *could* have better healthcare in terms of technological advancement by way of human experimentation + private healthcare, but just as much you'd live in $40 ramen corrupt society with ridiculous rent. There is no reason to believe this is an endorsement of said society as much as it's world building.

I finished Demon's Souls and now I'm playing Bloodborne on shadPS4 since you can do that now, it plays really good, but I dunno, even though this game is more demons souls than the other souls games, I think from soft never quite managed to do whatever they managed to do in DeS. My final game to complete my FromSoft cycle is probably going to be Shadow Tower Abyss, since it seems like it shares lots of aesthetic DNA with DeS

how 2 kill a fly

self-dubbed(by the author) as cyberpuke aesthetic.

short-ish game. approximately 1.5 hours. a little gimmicky but overall pretty fun with quirky characters. if you get tired of the main gimmick(which you might, but its still worth experimenting with), there's an assisted mode that highlights relevant text. the main gimmick is you're a flesh automaton slave who can only repeat what has been said to you. So if a guy says FILL SUCKZ to you, then you can say FILL SUCKZ to the next guy. Wish you could say more shit to people as otherwise its a straight forward puzzle game using context clues to figure out what to say to people. 6/10 game but was fun

>>47803
>self-dubbed(by the author) as cyberpuke aesthetic.
damn so cruelty squad is so influential it's now inspiring small aesthetic currents

>>47728
Let me know if you have other interesting links. I have this faggy kind of dream of finding and binging a wiki that just collects "history from below" stuff like this about particular games/genres/scenes. The site in the OP has some stuff like that but not as much as I'd like

This article might also be of interest https://aeon.co/essays/before-minecraft-or-snapchat-there-was-micromuse

>>47767
I think your idea for a site sounds really interesting, because as the number of entries grows, you would also have to sort them chronologically and establish different diverging and recombining strains of internet culture. Like something that quotes sources on arpanet-era university networks, usenet, 90s dialup, cracking culture, the pre-FANG internet and our favorite basket-weaving forums in a grand multi-narrative epic of the internet as we know it. Or you know it could be just another wikipedia clone.

The Real Origin of "Camping" in Video Games

>>47767
I think that's a cool idea

Oh shit Kal knew about Elves back in chapter 7.

took a break from this game, but plan to get back into it now that I have more stamina to read lately.

>>47609
Temu halo

MGS3 delta did a good job thoughbeit

>>47661
No

>>47663
Why not?

>>47667
just like, because, okay?

>>47658
>a violently beautiful lady😍🥰ed out game like deltarune
Was it really? I know how the fanbase is but if you play the game casually I don't remember it being that in your face. There was the gay guards. They wouldn't care about the fish/dino lesbian ship. The mew mew thing came later and was a secret. Maybe I forgot it's been awhile.

Anyway this reminds me of when people wondered how so many MLP fans could be right-wing ancaps/fascists when the show supposedly goes against that. It's funny because when it 1st came out some conservative media called it feminist propaganda, then some years later right-wing fans said it was based because it had monarchy and ethnostates. I also remember some lefty claiming it was conservative catnip because of the rural, semi-pre industrial setting. Lefties can ONLY love cities, industry, and pollution, okay?

>>47750
Oops nevermind for some reason my dumb brain read deltarune as undertale. Even then I don't see why they'd care about the susie/noelle thing either. I haven't played the latest chapter yet tho.

People on this site are so obsessed with looking clever that they'll twist themselves into pretzels trying to frame "why do queerphobes like a game stuffed with unambiguously queer characters" as a ridiculous question lmao.

>>47702
tbqh based on Mother 3 he seems like a vibes-based anticapitalist who wants to RETVRN to an imagined past where everything was simple, what Marx/Engels called "reactionary socialistm", looking backwards, not forwards

>>47752
A lot of anti-gay people don't tend to care about lesbian stuff tho unless they think the chars are ugly.

>>47737
TLOU2 vastly improved on and fixed all that you're complaining about for TLOU1's gameplay btw. TLOU2 is probably the best third person shooter ever made gameplay-wise, but unfortunately the story shit the bed so it will never be as fondly remembered as the first.

>>47738
>TLOU2 is probably the best third person shooter ever made gameplay-wise
I haven't played the second one so I couldn't say, and I'm not going to shell out 50 burgerbucks just to find out. maybe if it ever goes on sale… 10 bucks max.

>>47737
But there are, I mentioned Mirror's Edge which was released almost 20 years ago. But I can think of a few others. But god damn I'm sick of crafting, leveling, grinding, "character progression" systems (number go up). I know a few recent games that avoid doing this, but they're either not very challenging or they're outright walking simulators.
Something I consider "good" game design is where a challenge is rewarded with an even bigger challenge. Or maybe I'm too puzzle-brained/oldschool for what gaming has become nowadays.

>>47741
When I think "modern game" I think something that was made in the last 5 years, tops. As you said, Mirror's Edge is something like 20 years old, thus it's not modern by any stretch of the imagination. At any rate, you say there are games like this in existence, but nothing comes to mind for me, aside from maybe Hollow Knight/Silksong or Blasphemous I and II, because those games require the player to "git gud" enough to defeat bosses and explore the environment by using upgrades and equipment to avoid certain death, but by the very nature of how "Metroidvanias" work, they still feature character progression in various forms, whether it's exp grind or the acquisition of new weapons and abilities. This is why I said you're not really going to find a game that doesn't feature these things, and you sort of have to narrow down your list of objections to in turn accept a larger list of games you might be interested in playing.

Here, five modern games I think you might be interested in, that are popular and at least 5 to 10 years old:
>Hitman World of Assassination
There's 47 flavors of murder, true, but 47's entire arsenal is more or less unnecessary, because 47 can kill his target with his bare hands, and all that variety exists primarily for variety's sake. Plus there are challenges you can do that make things interesting; One of the challenges I remember is that you have to equip your weapon at all times, and if you unequip it, you have like 20 seconds to equip it again or you automatically fail the mission. This is challenging because the guards and other NPCs will notice you carrying it and you could blow your cover or be forced into open combat, which ruins any stealthy approach. Obviously you can circumvent this challenge by wearing an appropriate disguise, but how about you try not to do that?

>The Forest
It's an open world survival game with crafting and collectibles, but for the most part you're as strong as you'll ever be from the outset. You need certain equipment to fight against certain enemies, and the acquisition of that equipment mostly requires exploration in a hostile world full of enemies that can appear at any time and murk you. Therefore, it pays to know when to engage and when to entire avoid combat. The learning curve at the outset, like most games, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>47742
>Hitman WoA
Have looked it up and am interested in trying it out.
>The Forest
Played it and loved both the co-op experience and the inventory system which discourages hoarding and was a good indicator of what you actually needed.
>DOS2
Played that one too and enjoyed both singleplayer and co-op. Even if it still has the same issues I mentioned.