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>>2539182
are you saying they actually ship to russia

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>>2539473
idk but labelling Israel as terroristic is way more than what zohran or AOC would say

>>2539480
true, but he became openly opposed to the entire machine whereas platner still makes excuses for parts of it

>>2539172
>muh platner
Rent free. Keep fighting whoever you've conjured in your head. I'm sure anyone who doesn't support BadEmpanada-Felix Thought is secretly a platnerfag

>>2539481
>You don't need to be an actual threat, just perceived as one.

Then don't allow yourself to be perceived as a threat. Adopt a strategy of non-violent withdraw of consent. Never give the state any ammunition to use against you.

>>2539488
They arrest people for posting anti-Charlie Kirk memes. "Ammunition" is whatever the fascists define it as, because once they have control they don't need an excuse to disappear you.

>>2484790
>I'm neither socialist nor communist nor fascist nor capitalist but some secret fifth thing
a fart huffing philosopher?

>>2484154
>he argument for italy's entrance into ww1 seems to make sense from a socialist perspective,
no it didn't. entry into WW1 destroyed the second international

>>2493124
Arguably the best scholarly work on the formative history fascism that exists.

>>2484791
Name one Gulag inmate who was innocent.

I'll wait.

Not Italy, but here's a paper on Motoyuki Takabatake's pro-Imperial stance.

>>2539419
Because he will slightly raise their taxes in an attempt to reform and perfect imperialism, and make it more effective.

The entire point of social fascists is not to overthrow Imperialism, it's to perfect it, to purge it of it's most self-destructive elements so it can rule forever.

>>2539445
Yeah worst we can get is nothing from him, and nothing would make an example. Win-win candidate really.

>>2539468
No, the worst you can get from him is success, which will set the stage for more social fascists in the future, and this is the worst possible outcome.

The best you could get from him would be his assassination before he takes office, meaning he can be used as a propaganda symbol without actually causing any harm to the world.

>>2539310
>electoral politics
lol, literally never.
Bernie's shtick stopped working because everyone knows he's a Dem bootlicker, so they rolled out this guy

>>2539474
Trump is probably gonna deport him. He's not going to be a success. They simply won't let him. We had the shot at social democracy with Sanders in 2016 and again in 2020. America's not doing that shit again.

>>2538988
trade deficit = more imports than exports
trade surplus = more exports than imports
balanced trade = balance of imports and exports

it all depends on what your economic strategy is as to whether or not any of these are good things. for example, china builds its national wealth from a "mercantilist" strategy of creating trade surpluses by exporting commodities across the world in exchange for foreign debt (money). the downside to a trade surplus is that while youre making money, youre spending less, so you also consume less. its the same principle as spending, saving and investing. a trade deficit then has the opposite problem since youre spending all your money, and without any inverse trend to balance trade, you will simply run out eventually.

>>2537207
>primitive accumulation is a phenomenon divorced from technological development…
Wrong again because this isn't connected to what I'm writing. For there to be generalized commodity production, so that capitalism can develop by accumulating capital in an economy, there must be changes in the superstructure of society, with the previous mode of production not adapted to the technological advancement that occurred. This is the case with the structures of feudalism, where with the technological advancement of large-scale production, the bourgeoisie were able to dismantle the control of the guilds, create a state that gives equal rights to men as long as it eliminates the obstacles to capital circulation, and prevents peasants and artisans from achieving self-sufficiency because they are unable to survive against competition in the production of goods in the market. This occurred as the bourgeoisie grew in the cities and technological advancements moved from artisanal production to production with manufacturing workers, to the factory system. As the bourgeoisie gained economic power, they used their influence to change the superstructure of the backward society in alliance with other working classes. As the proletariat developed, the bourgeoisie managed to establish itself as the new ruling class, becoming conservative as the proletariat became a force against it. Primitive accumulation depends on a bourgeoisie that strengthened itself to attempt to change society as organizational techniques were discovered. Wealth was accumulated by these bourgeoisie, which clashed with feudal privileges and the communal rights of peasants to their common lands. This was instrumental in consolidating capitalism, with colonization and mercantilism serving as the basis for generalized commodity production for the exploitation of wage labor, allowing it to spread rather than remain localized.

>primitive accumulation occurs in the 16th century; the industrial revolution occurs in the late 18th century…
Primitive accumulation is a preparation for the conditions that form capitalism, helping it to consolidate or form. British enclosure did not occur specifically in the 16th century, but rather was a process that developed until the 18th and 19th centuries with the Parliamentary Enclosure Acts. TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

How does value change when goods move across markets?

For example let's say a ton of steel takes 1000 SNLT hours in country A, while in country B it's 200 SNLT hours due to higher automation.

So if A exports to B, is value being destroyed? Similarly, if B exports to A, is value being added?

>>2538988
trade deficits are good if you have currency hegemony (enforced by military hegemony)

trade deficits are bad if you don't have hegemony

to deindustrialize is the privilege of the imperial core, because they can force less developed countries with lower wages who use currencies with less purchasing power to produce them cheap commodities. These countries then hold massive stockpiles of a hegemonic currency (perhaps even the world reserve currency in the case of the USA) that is always inflating due to the trade deficit and money printer go brr. This is naturally unsustainable in the long term for the nation that does it, but is very good for its ruling class in the short term. A lot of apologetics are therefore built around justifying it.

>>2539303
I'm answering off the dome without citations here, but country B is not going to import a ton of steel from country A where it takes 5x as long to make. That would make no sense and be very expensive. But country B where 1 ton of steel takes 200 hrs to produce will be able to easily export to country A and any other country where it takes longer. This will induce those other countries to adopt country B's methods, since they are not competitive.

leftypol bros, es ist vorbei. die alten zeiten der diskussionsforen sind over. ich kann alles in X machen. ich muss keine artikel lesen, weil grok den kerngedanken aus den jedem artikel herausfiltert. und wenn ich fragen habe und mit jemanden SOFORT über marxismus quatschen will, dann gibt mir grok die antwort. klar, man könnte einwenden, grok ist nicht die beste quelle für marxistische analysen. aber ist der durchschnittliche leftypoler besser? vielleicht vulgärer, aber das wars auch schon. die zeiten des alten internets sind vorbei. die zukunft ist post-click, post-human.

>>2539054
>twitter nutzen
kek

>>2538779
Consider jumping from a bridge.

Montag, 27. Oktober 2025. Spätschicht, im Pausenraum läuft NTV ohne Ton. 21:40. Über das Nachrichtenband läuft folgende Botschaft:
<Getöteter Mitarbeiter einer ZDF-Partnerfirma war Hamas-Mitglied
Ich vermute, dass es derselbe Typ war, von dessen Tod vor ca. einer Woche die Meldung rumging. Ich vermute außerdem, dass der Beleg einfach ein Dokument von der IDF ist. Dass ZDF hatte damals zu dessen Tod eine Kurzmeldung gebracht, ohne seinen Namen zu nennen.

Ich bin nach Mitternacht wieder in meiner Wohnung und checke erstmal Twitter. Viele nahezu identische Jubelmeldungen deutschsprachiger Accounts. Ich lese die offizielle Meldung vom ZDF (die zwei Vermutungen waren richtig):
https://www.zdfheute.de/politik/ausland/israel-getoeteter-mitarbeiter-pmp-hamas-100.html
<Israel hat Dokumente vorgelegt, die belegen, dass der getötete Mitarbeiter der Produktionsfirma PMP Mitglied der Hamas war. Das ZDF beendet bis auf Weiteres die Zusammenarbeit.
Das nenne ich mal eine geschliffene Vormulierung: Sie beenden bis auf Weiteres die Zusammenarbeit mit dem Toten. Der wieder nicht genannt wird. Ich schau mal unten, ob wenigstens der Artikelschreiber einen Namen hat:
<Quelle: ZDF
Vielen Dank, Herr ZDF. Der anonyme Schreiber fand die Formulierung bis auf Weiteres auch selber so geil, dass er die gleich ein zweites Mal in den Artikel eingebaut hat. Hmmm oder bezog sich das auf die Produktionsfirma PMP?
<Nach aktuellem Stand hat das ZDF aber keine Anhaltspunkte dafür, dass weitere Mitarbeiter von PMP Hamas-Mitglieder sein könnten. Auch die IDF hat dem ZDF keine solchen Hinweise geliefert.
Also nö, die meinen wohl echt den namenlosen Typen.

Ein paar der wenigen nicht bekloppten Leute auf Twitter dazu:
https://nitter.net/stephanhallmann/status/1982853264384123223
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>>2539464
Weiß gar nicht, warum die sich so zieren.
Es wäre ja nicht der erste Pressetote.

>>2539393
>But at this point the restraint is mostly the fault of China.
Hm, there's been a persistent argument that a slow, weak war benefits China by keeping Westoid attention on Ukraine and draining NATO's resources, but there's also a counterargument that Putin's excessive restraint is encouraging the anti-China hawks by making them think they can use Taiwan as a proxy and directly approve strikes on the Chinese homeland and enjoy the same lack of response from Xi.

>>2539411
China would just blockade Taiwan if they attacked. A serious attack via Taiwan is nonsense because it is an island. My theory has always been that the Western hawks want to balkanise Russia so as to have a land route to attack China.

>>2539393
>I do think he got suckered by “wait for Trump” thinking and is probably going to get suckered again.
I meant to reply to this too but must've had some brain spasm, kek. He has indeed been suckered by Wait For Trump, though not in the worst sense of gullibly accepting a bad deal from Trump, thank goodness. He's been suckered in the sense of interfering with military decisions because of the delusional belief that he can get a favorable deal from Trump, that Trump will behave rationally. Comments from Luka and Medvedev indicate that the General Staff wants to destroy the Kiev regime but has been unable to do so because Putin rejects strike plans (per Luka) or has let Banderite hideouts go unscathed so as not to derail the negotiation process (per Medvedev).

>>2539414
that sounds like a logistical nightmare

>>2539435
They’d never have been able to defeat Iraq with just naval assets or even an amphibious assault. They had to establish bases in surrounding countries.

Even in the redditoid scenario where the PLA try amphibious landings on Taiwan with no preparation the best the West can achieve is sinking some ships using submarine launched missiles.

>>2539115
No, they're not. Their subreddit is where all the cumtown fans went since Chapo is for absolute dorks (which is saying something for reddit). You don't have to like it, it's just that your claim everyone there are fans is wrong. Go look at engagement between posts about cumtown vs Red Scare, and the top comment on an RS thread is usually referencing Peter Thiel in some way.

The die-hards have long since split off and made a secret sub for the podcast.

Oh my God

https://youtu.be/efBB0D4tf1Y

>>2539421
the glowening

>>2539417
Every time I see someone posting in one of the other subs (TrueAnon, e.g.) and they are saying something pretty obviously cruel, pro-rightoid or anti-immigrant, their post history invariably is RedScare. They just think that anything else is "cringe" or something that "no normal person" things. All "normal people" are in favor of white nationalism.

>>2539448
>these curated posts that are being shared here to cause outrage look bad
No shit. It doesn't change people are talking about communities they know nothing about.